I will never claim to be the perfect mother, but one thing I will claim is that I loved my kids. I remember crying from guilt when I once slapped my son and it left a little red mark. He wasn’t hurt at all, in fact he laughed but I was so hurt because in my mind I had hurt my child. With this in mind I can’t for the life of me understand how someone can deliberately hurt an innocent baby.
I wrote an article this morning about a couple from East Texas that was arrested for beating the woman’s 13 month old daughter to death with a hammer. They claimed they were trying to beat demons out of her. They tried saying the baby was possessed with them.
This morning I read that in Kent, Washington the prosecutors there were preparing to file child abuse charges against a man accused of beating his girlfriend’s 2 year old daughter so bad it put her into a coma. The man, 30 year old Idris Turner was arrested Sunday at the airport where he was trying to catch on a plane. The mother of the child, Trina Washington-Eastland along with Turner brought the baby to the Valley Medical Center in Renton Saturday who is now in a coma in a Seattle hospital.
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer and the Seattle Times are reporting that Turner has a history of domestic violence and that the mother has had repeated contact with Child Protective Services in order to guard the toddler.
Turner was quoted as once saying he was going to “beat her father out of her†by a witness that talked to Renton Police.
In another case a 23 year old stepmother, Rosemary Kunz, was arrested in October on charges of abuse and neglect. She is accused of beating a 2 year old boy to near death. She consented to allegations of physical abuse, abandonment and substance abuse without admitting fault in Lee County dependency court this morning.
The child’s father, Shane Lewis, said his son left All Children’s Hospital in St. Petersburg and flown by helicopter with severe injuries in October. He said his son was released to live at his sister’s house on Thanksgiving. “He’s doing good. He’s doing excellent,†said Lewis after he was in court this morning.
The boy’s mother, Ferhen Matheison, 21 was in court too this morning. The Department of Children of Families has an abandonment allegation against her. She was living in Nevada but she has denied ever abandoning her son. For now she is planning on staying in Florida for, as she puts it, “my baby, and my sonâ€
In another case in Rochester New York a 29 year old man is accused of beating his ex-girlfriend’s 16 month old daughter to death. Abner Gomez was arraigned Tuesday on charges of second degree manslaughter and endangering the welfare of a child in the death of Jasmine Velez. He pleaded not guilty to the charges. The mother of the child had to be removed from the courtroom when she started screaming at Gomez.
Little Jasmine was found dead on November 5th in her mother’s apartment. Investigators found that she had multiple bruises, broken ribs and internal bleeding in her head and chest. According to the police Gomez was taking care of the baby the night before she died. Jasmine was put to bed that night while suffering fatal injuries.
The sad thing is that this is only a small portion of the cases in America alone. Some case we hear about and others are never heard of. The children in these cases didn’t ask for this. They are the innocent ones that were not protected when they needed to be. What is going on in this world? How can anyone possibly hurt an innocent child?
I have been following the Caylee Anthony story from the beginning and I feel so much a part of that little girl’s life even though I never had the privilege to meet her. My biggest fear is that she is no longer with us on this earth. My heart tells me she is with the angels in heaven looking down at us along with the other children that had their lives taken from them by sick people that had no right to be around them to begin with.
Caylee had been missing for 31 days before her mother even reported her missing and even then it was her grandmother that reported it, not her mother. Her mother claims she was kidnapped by the Nanny. OK let’s say that could be true which I for one do not believe but just for grins let’s say she was kidnapped. Waiting for 31 days to report it was such a dumb move. If it is true then that sure gave the kidnappers a huge head start to get out of town with her. If she was kidnapped how come the Anthony’s haven’t made public pleas to the kidnapper to bring Caylee back home instead of going on TV shows aired nationwide to tell the country that Casey, Caylee’s mother, is innocent.
Casey is being held in jail in Orange County, Florida after a grand jury handed down an indictment for first degree murder. So much of this story doesn’t add up and it all points to the Anthony’s and their web of lies that they keep telling.
All this makes me want to ask, who will speak out for these children when they are gone. Who is going to stand up for them and say to the person that took their life that they are going to pay for what they done. When it comes to children I am very sensitive and it makes me so mad when I read articles such as these that I have written about here.
I would like to say a prayer right now for all these helpless children that can’t fight back. I ask the Lord above to protect them from the evil that threatens their life and for justice to be served for those that are gone now. God bless all the children.
Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThank you for telling it like it is. The innocent children are indeed suffering. I add my prayers to yours. And I include all those little children that are are not even given a chance to live, and it’s perfectly legal. Sad state of affairs.
Hi A friend…
I just watched the videos of the jailhouse visits and it actually made me sick. Now I can clearly see how Cindy runs the whole show and yet is weak when it comes to her daughter. Without a doubt, Cindy believes everything Casey says and backs off every time her precious daughter doesn’t want to talk about it. Cindy doesn’t even have the backbone to confront her daughter with a simple question like, why did you need a babysitter if you didn’t work?
I’m sure Casey would not have said anything about getting a message to Caylee or Zenaida if Cindy did not coach her by saying “When I’m on the news what do you want to say to Zeneida?” and “What do you want to say to Caylee?”
In my opinion, C, G and LV believe every lie that the murderer has told and they look right through her searching for someone else to blame. Now I realize that Casey, not Cindy, is the person who has always held the power in the Anthony house.
We here now? lol
Ladies: I looked back at the old blog and saw PAW69 and told her where you are. I can’t stay, dinner guests(pastor) and I am in midst of serving dessert, couldn’t stop myself from looking at blog while they are in the basement looking at the tree down there that hubby decorated in sports stuff. Hey, I don’t care, that’s his hole lol
PAW YOU’RE TOO FAST BBL
hehehe
maybe its possible? maybe casey didnt have anything to do with the girl missing maybe someone she made mad did? maybe soem one took her and made it look like she is dead? remmeber cindy suppose didnt give cops the right hair brush? meaning not the right dna?
oh yea and noone has come forward to say thats my kid in the pic yet ?? hmmmmmm???
hello my friends…
I just have to say. MMT, I think you are super intelligent and so logical.
I really love reading your posts.. always on the mark.
The rest of my peeps… you are ALSO fantastic, you make me laugh until my sides hurt…
It is so hard to believe we have been bound by the love of a little child we have never met.. somethings are meant to be. All we have ever wanted was justice for Caylee, and I think we finally found the right mix of people here to carry on this fight…
So now I go, flitter away like a firefly!!!! LOL.. I would be a damn big firefly.. probably be talking so much I would slam myself into someones car windshield..eeeks
Glitter…
I am not following you… sorry… What are you trying to say???? (not being critical… its me.. I am feeling a little lost today!!! LOL
glitter…hi..
what about the hair and the death band? Are you saying maybe someone else set maggot up from the searches to the murder?
Then what about her demeanor when she was thieving at Target and the forged checks at the bank? The parties…the dinners…the men?
I mean if her demeanor was different I might believe a set up but she hasn’t given a shiat about finding her baby!
Thanks for leaving the trail….I have to say one thing only…OMG! AFTER VIEWING THOSE TAPES…CINDY KNOWS! FOR SURE CINDY KNOWS! EVEN THOUGH SHE IS IN DENIAL THAT ONE TAPE SAYS IT ALL!!!!! Take a look at the link below..and pull up the tape that reads ” I want to take your pain away” with George and Cindy in it..Casey makes reference to Caylee in it in the “Past tense”..and then quickly corrects herself…Cindy picks up on it and immediately her hand goes up to her eyes and she starts crying and wiping tears…She definitely knows the truth from that. Her expression becomes very scrutinous watching Casey after that…Check it out!!!! IT IS SOOOOO TELLING!!!
Link below just type http: Beforehand
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jail-tapes-120408,0,3886222.story
The link won’t post….ARRGHH!!!!
I found the link under the orlando sentinel…Can’t seem to get it to post in here no matter what I try. The video I am referring to out of the series is entitled “I want to take your pain away”.
Hey …It just showed up…magic!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jail-tapes-120408,0,3886222.story
YAH she can eat grits and bologna and coleslaw and get damn used to it…
Cindy says: The reward for Caylee is $225,000
Casey says: Jesus Christ, That’s 1/2 my bond
Can I please knock the snot out of her now? She really does think only of herself.
just watched it ..wow…didn’t see your magic link kris..(above) just posted it after I watched it…skanky ants!
What did you think on that CA? Cindy’s immediate reaction…I think she can see right through her after that statement she made.
But Cindy will keep those thoughts to only herself..but you can just see it on her face, SHE KNOWS!!!
KRIS, I TOO NOTICED “THE LOOK” IVE SEEN IT FROM MY OWN MOM THROUGH OUT ALOT OF THAT.. I KNOW SHE KNOWS AND SO DOES THE REST OF THE FAMILY IT IS ALL AN ACT. ITS A MOVIE FOR THEM AND HTEY ARE THE STARS. THIS IS ONE MOVIE THAT ISNT GOING TO HAVE A HAPPY ENDING
Even Padilla just said something about that part in the video. She killed her daughter. She killed her. Now Cindy is trying to save Casey. She knows she lost Caylee and now she’s going to lose Casey as well. Padilla knows in his gut that Caylee is in that water at that park. GAH, This is killing me.
oh yah…zanny had everything that caylee ever needed….zanny; took baby to disney world and weekend romps at the beach…zanny had a pink floral car seat for caylee….so casey can cover up why her car seat was still in the car…why none of her clothes or toys were missing…cause zanny had it all for baby…and maggot had all the money in the world to pay for a nanny cause she didn’t have a job…and zanny DEFINITLY babysat ANNABELLE, jeff hopkins kid that doesnt’ exist…
GOD!
Oh those tapes Toni..they made me want to throw up! They are more sugary than a can of Triple fudge icecream…and something that sugary will make anyone sick after too much. I could not believe those tapes, that looked so prerehearsed it wasn’t funny…and Casey with that bout of bad acting… Like anything other than herself would bring tears to her eyes….Yeah right!
EXACTLY KRIS THEY ARE BEING NICER TO HER THAN THEY PROBABLY HAVE SINCE SHE WAS A BABY AND CASEY IS LOVING IT AND EATING IT UP. SHE ONLY TEARS WHEN FAMILY SHOWS CONCERN FOR HER NOT CAYLEE. SHE IS NOT A VERY GOOD ACTRESS EITHER. SHE DOESNT THINK BEFORE SHE SPEAKS AND MAKES MISTAKES LIEK THAT ONE. SHE IS ALWAYS TOUCHING HER FACE AND WIPING HER EYES (HIDING HER LYING EYES) SHE IS A PIECE OF WORK
UGHHHHHHHHHHH , Her hesitation to say “her mother”
Ya know who could probably play her well in a movie..and I think she could even sound like her a little bit with the way her acting is…is that actress Jennifer Love Hewitt..I think she would do a better job than Casey even did faking it….lol.
Kris,,,
just viewed the videos… oh, c knows exactly what has happened.. you can see it on her lying face..
I do not know how these ‘parents’ are not horrified at their daughter.
But I agree, they are all a bunch of liars..
Put them all behind bars, that is when we will find Caylee. It makes me sick to the tummy to see them being so nice to her. If she were my child (m), I could not stand to listen to her voice knowing what she has done.. Lee knows too.. listen to the way they ‘code talk’.. it is disgusting…
I wish there were someway to torture her to make her talk…(did I say that??)
God, I can’t wait for the trial.. I HOPE LE does not plea bargain with her.. she has had her chance. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!!
UGGGGG………
by the way, off subject of sorts, is Mamabear’s name Vera??
LOL I CAN HEAR GEORGE TELLING CINDY THAT WHEN THEY LEAVE THEY ARE TO TELL THE MEDIA NO COMMENT. BASICALLY TELLING CINDY TO KEEP QUIET.
maggot ruled the roost in the house and the conversations from jail…c says I TRUST YOU…that wasn’t the same c that was wiling to throw maggot under the bus before she realized she murdered her grandaughter…c was more concerned about money then her missing grandchild with all her cover ups and her suport and trust of maggott….WHERE IS CAYLEE! WHERE THE FLOCK IS MY GRANDCHILD IS WHAT I’D BE SAYIN..NOT GOOD MORNING BEAUTIFUL…AND BOW DOWN TO MAGGOTS EVERY COMMAND ON TO ‘LEAVE IT AT THAT MOM..OK…!!
Isn’t that something lilred…God they know in their hearts they are covering for her. And the way George talks to her…yuck! Wonder if he’d still talk that sweet to her now after she laid out those accusations against the men in her family! You can tell he allowed those women to railroad him…doormat is written all over him when he talks that honey dripping language to that little brat! Makes my stomach churn to hear that…she is not very convincing either in her acting…Casey can’t even fake it well.
NEVE CAMPBELL FROM PARTY OF FIVE WOULD BE PERFECT.
Is NG on? Is that why it’s slow in here now? I think I’m gonna go do the dishes and come back later….be back in a bit.
MAGGOT SAYS…I HAVE NOT BEEN CRYING IN HERE..TRYING TO KEEP MY MIND OF THINGS BY READING AND DOING OTHER STUFF????????????
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YOUR BABY IS DEAD AND YOUR TRYING TO MAKE IT BELIEVED SHE IS MISSING AND YOU TRY TO READ AND KEEP YOUR MIND OFF YOUR MISSING/DEAD CHILD…????????????????????? GOD!
K, I am going to bed now cyber fam
(((((((((((hugs to all ))))))))))))))
THAT LITTLE SMILE ON HER FACE WHEN LEE WAS TELLING HER THE MEDIA WAS STILL AT THE HOUSE 24/7.. THAT WAS TELLING ANYONE ELSE NOTICE? IF NOT ITS AT THE VERY END OF THE INTERVIEW LAST 4 MINUTES OR SO…
First of all, I think Casey is guilty as hell and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law (if a jury of her peers agrees of course). Anyone who does this to a child is a monster. However, I have been watching cindy & casey and I can not help but think about how caylee would have turned out if she had survived to adulthood raised by these… creatures. We will never have a chance to find out if this sweet child would have grown up to be a productive member of society or would she turn out like the rest of the women in this family? Cindy 3.0? Ugh!
Do these idiot Anthonys, think they are living this scarface life, it sounds like a movie. Casey was into drug deals with bad people, so they take her daughter for ransom, “HELLO” There is no ransom, Casey had to steal from dying relatives & friends to buy anything,
She has the best excuse now, telling her family she can’t say anything because its being taped, Baez told her to keep her mouth shut. I believe he knows she murdered Caylee, he knows that body has been consumed by some kind of animals and she’ll never be found. I’m kind of getting sick of LP he has all these new stories she told him or that he heard about, I give him kudos for wanting to find Caylee, but I wish he would stop with the stories. I haven’t had a chance to listen to tapes yet, so I guess I’ll be up the rest of the night listening.
Kris”the Original” I’m glad your surgery went well, I haven’t been blogging for a while, so I haven’t had a chance to say “Welcome Back”
OH BANANA YOUR IN FOR SOME REAL SHITTY ACTING. IM DONE LOOKING AT ALL OF THEM AND IM GOING TO BED SICK. AND TIRED
Kris
You hit it rignt on the mark!!!! Instead of saying ‘hi beautiful’ he should be saying ‘hi you Mother f****** filthy murdering piece of sh*t’.. but I don’t suppose that would have looked too good on camera!!!! LOL
He is just plain stupid from the word go…
You woud think Casey would be good at ‘faking it’ considering al the guys she has been with.
Toni,,, Neve campbell would be perfect!
Good Night, TONI
Where do I start… so many interesting comments tonight.
glitter, regarding the two comments you made today at 7:27 pm and 7:29 pm.
Did the newly released videos change your mind about Casey’s guilt or did you always believe that she could possibly be innocent? As someone else mentioned… how can you disregard the human decomposition in the trunk, the death band on a hair belonging to a dead person from the Anthony family and the cadaver dogs hitting on the Ant’s backyard as well as the trunk of Casey’s car? Do you simply dismiss all that? I can’t! You are going on “maybe this maybe that.. those are not concreate facts.
No one, that I know, has confirmed the picture of the little girl in the mall as being authentic either.
Lilred, thank you for your kind words… I don’t deserve them but thank you anyway! 🙂
I love what you said below:
“It is so hard to believe we have been bound by the love of a little child we have never met.. somethings are meant to be. All we have ever wanted was justice for Caylee, and I think we finally found the right mix of people here to carry on this fight.”
WOW… that touched me because I believe the same thing.
What you said about the firefly was hilarious, I’m still laughing!
hello to everyone!
What another wonderful day of blogging you all have had. So nice to see such awesome bloggers. Each and everyone’s input in this blog is important. Because we all come from a variety of occupations, personalities, opinions, theories, backgrounds, nationalities and so forth, everyone is important to the success of this blog. Everyday, I see more and more fireflies stopping in to put in their comments. It’s exciting to log on and see all the “oldies”, but equally exciting to see all the new fireflies!! When we all first start, it seems like you get “ignored” but trust me, it is never done intentionally and if you stick around long enough, you will see that.
I think the most important thing I have seen in the blog in the past month, is the respect that everyone shows each other. THAT is the key to the success of blogging. I have seen a few misunderstanding on here, but those people have been mature enough to work it out. I hold high regards to those individuals b/c it shows quality character in them!
To those fireflies that drop in, we welcome you and hope that eventually, you will feel comfortable enough to become a regular! To those fireflies that are still hesitant to “land”……please stop by and put in a few words…..we’d like to hear from you.
I can’t say enough good things about the bloggers on this blog. Pickles, your dedication to keep this blog moving and your dedication to keep this a peaceful blog is admired by many of us!
Lilred, (or anyone) can email me anytime at mrnmrsmaas@hotmail.com. I have met many a wonderful people on this blog and do email some of them. Knowing some of these bloggers on a personal level has been a wonderful experience. Putting a face to a name just makes the blogging experience all that more interesting.
Ok, done sucking up (lol)……glad to see you all here.
Haven’t seen NG yet……..grrrrr…..comes on in 3 minutes so I will watch it and then be back!
brb!!
Interesting article as I didn’t view the videos:
Momlogic asked body language expert Dr. Lillian Glass for insight into what was really going on in Casey and Cindy Anthony’s minds during this early visit. Dr. Glass’ first impression was immediate. “Her body language is far too casual — as is of course the laughter — and shows no indication of being distraught.” All of Casey’s behavior, says Dr. Glass, is incongruous with the situation.
Here are some other clues into Casey’s mindset:
In the beginning of the discussion, she fusses with her hair. This is consistent with her narcissistic tendencies.
When Cindy asks her if “Zanni acted alone,” Casey pauses and raises her eyebrow, which indicates she is trying to fabricate a possible lie.
Cindy brings up Charlotte and other locations as possible places to find Caylee. Casey shakes her head NO several times, while simultaneously agreeing they are viable locations to find Caylee.
Casey looks down consistently while she speaks — the only time she truly looks directly in the camera is when her mother tells her to, so she can see her eyes.
Dr. Glass’ analysis of Cindy is that her behavior is consistent with someone who is withholding information. “I believe,” says Dr. Glass, “Cindy knows something about where Caylee is.” Speaking in a monotone, emotionless voice and what Dr. Glass refers to as a “mask-like facial expression,” Cindy flip-flops back and forth between a caring mom to an interrogator.
Cindy stumbles on the name “Caylee” when she asks Casey what message she’d like to send to her daughter. This indicates to Dr. Glass that Cindy knows Caylee isn’t alive anymore.
When George casually says “Hi gorgeous,” to Casey, Cindy immediately puts her head on her husband’s shoulder. This, says Dr. Glass, “indicates the family dysfunction. As soon as the father compliments the daughter, Cindy becomes jealous.”
Casey says she doesn’t want the Sheriff’s Office to assist in the investigation — asking that her brother Lee be in charge. Cindy reacts by touching her face, biting her lip and scratching her neck — all indications to Dr. Glass that Cindy knows her daughter is lying, but is trying to hold back her true thoughts.
Pleas if you believe all the crap that Dr is saying I got 10 acres of swampland to sell you.
good eveing alll.. I feel soooooo left out cause i have been working and barely able to get on here and a 5 am start time in the morning 🙁 but wanted to say hey I am reading the days blogs..
CHSAH you little suck up you.. tee hee tee hee JOKE
nice post actually.. saw gums came back too..
and hi to all new and old bloggers..
my take on watching portion of the tapes. NAUSEATING I did not even hear it all maybe 20 mins but will re-watch tonight…
i liked someones post of them being like the brady bunch family…
I now have a different view of C too…G looked uncomfortable and M was lying through her teeth and hesitating on all answers…
the only time she hard cried was when she said iw anna come home WHAH WHAH!!!!
OK i am trying to stay on for just a bit so someone better acknowledge me quick 🙂
Hi gorgeous??? C gets jealous? the interpretation from the body language expert is chilling…
I’ll check back in later tonight but if I don’t see you all, I will be home tomorrow evening early and will get with you all then and see what you all think about these tapes….
I’m leaving for Florida Monday. I could get arrested and be put next to the monster, then pay a guard off for just 15 minutes with her alone, I would kick her a$$ so bad, Cindy would feel it. I can’t stand this anymore, they sit there and listen to her Flipping lies, she doesn’t talk about what Caylee might be eating, If shes eating, NO remorse!!! I’m not a hateful person by any means, but I’m glad they’re feeling pain, unfortunately they’re pain is for that monster now, shes the reason your baby Caylee is no longer with you…Casey said she thinks Allen & Melich are not being fair. They’re not fools like your momma & poppa, they know the truth and anyone that starts to tell it like it is, she thinks they’re hanging her out to dry, so she makes sure no one is to believe them, just like Jesse, he stood by her and when he started to figure things out, she tried to blame him.
“ROT IN HELL” Partygirl, at least she still has bars and metal poles to hang on.
Dak, I never heard of a body language expert per se, don’t know her crentials or if she’s a quack…but I assumed this was a psychologist who works with people. I think there are some valid observations here. Namely the incongruity of the emotions. I don’t believe everything I read as a simple minded media hound. I don’t watch Nancy grace. I don’t even watch tv. I am a psychotherapist. I have worked with child abuse cases, both with young children and with parents. I have a tremendous amount of patience and tolerance of dysfunction, in order to do my job. Often times we work in the dark, don’t know what has been happening in a family. Sometimes got called to court to give recommendations and/or observations on family interactions such as the above. just know we have to keep an open mind for as long as possible and do what we can to make a change.
What you refer to as “all that crap” is the work of someone who would sit down with someone like cindy and sort it all out. Something few are willing to do.
Now about that swampland….
closing down computer.
George looks disgusted in the background of those tapes, like it kills him to here the stream of lies, “eggshell” walking with M, all the time knowing what he smelled in that trunk. They obviously don’t want to alienate her at this point, thinking she might give a clue if they phrase their questions just right.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 10:08 pm Pleas if you believe all the crap that Dr is saying I got 10 acres of swampland to sell you.
I’ll take that swampland off your hands Dak!! ALLLLLLLLLL 10 acres!! You crack me up.
All M could say is “i look like hell?????”…..she dodged any conversation about Caylee…….and talked mostly about herself…..can you spell Guilty Dak?
pammyliz said,in December 4th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
CHSAH you little suck up you.. tee hee tee hee JOKE
why thank you my friend!! lol….you din’t have to put joke….I know yur just a joshin’ me! we be BFF’s!!!
Well then i guess you could throw me in jail too since I have in the past ehibited the same body language. I rarely look people in the eyes so I guess I’m a liar too(lol). And I guess I am an emotionless person toosince I didn’t show much emotion when my mom and dad died.
I saw a lot more than that CHSAH. I mean Cindy and George did do a lot talking and asking questions.
banana said,in December 4th, 2008 at 10:54 pm I’m leaving for Florida Monday. I could get arrested and be put next to the monster, then pay a guard off for just 15 minutes with her alone, I would kick her a$$ so bad,
lmao!!! Do you need us to pitch in for the plane ticket….cause MOST of us probably would! We’ll even put up bail if you get jailed for kicking M’s A**!!! lol…..remind me to stay on ur good side! lol….jk. EXACTLY how we all feel about M!!!! well said.
Nightingale said,in December 4th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Nightingale, well stated! You got my respect!
Body language is a valid observation. Say, 8 out of 10 people consistently touch their chin when they lie. Doesn’t mean the other two are liars, but it may be an indicator. Humans have discomfort behaviors in common that are automatic.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 10:59 pm Well then i guess you could throw me in jail too since I have in the past ehibited the same body language. I rarely look people in the eyes so I guess I’m a liar too(lol). And I guess I am an emotionless person toosince I didn’t show much emotion when my mom and dad
died.
Seriously Dak……..you really need to read up on your “actions”…….that’s pretty much not normal reactions.
Yeah since when are people on her experts on it or what makes an expert right.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:00 pm I saw a lot more than that CHSAH. I mean Cindy and George did do a lot talking and asking questions.
Dak, what did YOU see? I saw M avoid answering most questions that pertained to Caylee and talked about how bad she wanted to come home??????? What did I miss????
The thing is I don’t believe in all that junk its not even a 100% proven.
I think she answered all the questions that were asked.
val said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:08 pm Body language is a valid observation. Say, 8 out of 10 people consistently touch their chin when they lie. Doesn’t mean the other two are liars, but it may be an indicator. Humans have discomfort behaviors in common that are automatic.
Val, good point!
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pm The thing is I don’t believe in all that junk its not even a 100% proven.
Dak, I keep forgetting 99.9 isn’t good enough for you ever……it’s 100% or nothing. My bad…
Any parent who has cross questioned a lying child observes their body language, and it’s pretty accurate!
Its okay I guess I am dysfunctional and psychopathic(lol).
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pm I think she answered all the questions that were asked.
Dak, depends on what you consider an “answer”??????? I do remember her saying several times, “I don’t want to go there” or “I don’t want to talk about that”……your right…..that’s an answer but not a valid answer to the question asked!!!
Yeah well I guess what you consider valid and what I consider valid are totally different. I myself have avoided certain questions in my life.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pm Its okay I guess I am dysfunctional and psychopathic(lol).
Dak, I didn’t say that. Emotions are a part of a normal beings personality. Maybe you weren’t close to your parents so therefore you couldn’t exhibit emotions of sadness for them passing…I don’t know the circumstances. Men handle things a little different than women do when it comes to emotions. I can tell you that M has NOT exhibited normal emotions or actions for the loss of her daughter!!!!! There’s probably a little “dysfunction” in all of us but come on………The ant’s are a totally dysfunctional family!!!!
I think that if these videos had been released before all the DNA evidence and all that peoples reactions to these videos would be totally different.
DAK you’d not be thrown in jail for not looking into someone’s eyes…not unless you have decomposition in your trunk. I assume you don’t.
I am sorry your parents died.
My dad died 20 yrs ago. It was very hard. Cry or no cry it is very hard to lose parents, even if you weren’t close.
now really I mean it. I’m closing down.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:15 pm Yeah well I guess what you consider valid and what I consider valid are totally different. I myself have avoided certain questions in my life.
Dak, you answer questions the way M does…..in a “backwards kinda way”. I am going to venture to guess that if you were asked questions about the disappearance of your child……from the way you talk of how important your children are to you, YOU WOULD NOT AVOID QUESTIONS THAT WOULD HELP LE TO FIND YOUR CHILD…..not gonna buy it!!!!!!!
They could be dysfunctional but its not something I can personally state in my opinion.
Well in her defense she did say she didn’t trust LE.
Granted she did tell a lot of lies in the intial questioning, I’m sure there is alteast one bit of truth in everything she said, not that I know what it is.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:19 pm I think that if these videos had been released before all the DNA evidence and all that peoples reactions to these videos would be totally different.
DAk, can’t speak for everyone else on here, but I can tell you that is incorrect. There are too many other factors that I have taken into consideration in this case BEFORE the DNA reports ever came out. Go back to the beginning and lie…after lie….after lie….IF you have nothing to hide……then there are no reasons to start to EVEN lie!!!!!
Not unless you have a really good reason to lie.
Dak, she didn’t trust LE because they were on to her lies and they didn’t put up with her bullsh** lies anymore. I still go back to my comment……If you have nothing to hide, there is no reason to not trust LE and lie to them.
Trust me…..the ant’s ARE dysfunctional. If you find a “professional” that disagrees with my comment…..let me know. I’d like to see what they have to say.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pm Not unless you have a really good reason to lie.
YOUR CHILD IS MISSING DAK……what REASON would you have to lie when it could be the difference in finding your child and NOT finding your child???? Give me something to go on b/c I don’t understand your reasoning.
Well I won’t get into it because it will eventually by someone on here be taken the wrong way and misconstrued.
And Casey has talked about Caylee several times and a couple of times she did seem concerned about Caylee especially when it came to People magazine article.
Dak, try to explain your comment about not going into it……..and it being taken the wrong way. You have me confused. She wasn’t showing emotion over the “people magazine” comment…….she was showing emotion for herself being locked up. Isn’t it funny how two people can see the same thing and see it in two different views?????
If she is found guilty of murder by a jury, will you believe that verdict or will you feel she has been wrongly convicted??? Just curious.
I’m here!!! and reading the dispute between DAK and well everyone I have not seen but 20 mins of the tapes, do they get worse?
hi chsah/bff
I was super busy when I got in but am gonna be up late due to its quiet!!!
hey pammyliz! BFF!
No, the tapes don’t get anyworse. If you seen the first 20 minutes, it’s the same old bulls** story from day one. Lie…Lie…Lie…
Dak must have seen different tapes than what I seen????
I guess thats because I haven’t already convicted her of what everyone else has. And I also don’t think of her a coldhearted killer, so I gues I do see it different.
I personally think C knows exactly what happened and where Caylee is. I don’t know about G and LV, but I think C knows.
No I won’t say she was wrongly convicted but that doesn’t mean I will find her guilty.
ok ok i cannot take it, there is no zanny, no person of interest, M’s family I now feel are destroyed, grieveing people and… whackos… I mean the way C is babying even her girl in jail showing more concern over M’s predicament then even talking about caylee, in fact noone in months has talked about caylee.. so sad, alls we hear from ants is about M…
there is no babysitter who stole caylee, the FBI doesn’t lie or have reason to…evidence is evidence… noone has come forward… reeking death mobile, DNA HAIR, STAIN,
and last but not least, CAYLEE MISSING FROM HER MOTHER IN HOW MANY WEEKS? NOT A SIGN NOR TRACE OF HER, NOT FOUND, NO TRACE WITH A LYING WHaCKO CRAZY SLUTTY MOTHER, WHO TOLD SO MANY LIES LIKE THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF…WHO STILL TO THIS DAY OFFERS NOTHING MORE OF MYSTERY ZANNY.. ..
i rest my case…lol
Dak, I always miss the posts when your on, why do you not think of casey as a cold hearted killer?? I miss a good portion of the blogs especially when they move so I always come in when the debate is going, so I am not clear on your findings of this?
I still do not think I have a take on what you think haas happened to caylee?? where is she?
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:43
And I also don’t think of her a coldhearted killer
AND what exactly do you see her as????????? a victim???? a loving mother???? a loving, trusting daughter???? WHATEVER. You for some reason to do not want to believe she is guilty and therefore over look alot of the facts that many bloggers have posted here for you over and over again. Your belief in her innocence does not show much for your level of knowledge in this whole case. You see ONLY what you want to see.
If I knew where she was she would be home.
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:45 pm No I won’t say she was wrongly convicted but that doesn’t mean I will find her guilty.
Dak….HUH??????? explain.
Okay now you are insulting my intellegence(lol).
I’m not going to explain why.
Pammyliz….DON’T stop now girl!!!! Your on a roll!!!!! Facts in the case EXACTLY!!
eerie, that sounded so much like M…lol
thanks dak.. but you do honestly think she is alive?????
you would not be like a fam member of ants are you? hmm…
i cannot possibly read back up so I missed alot of what you had to say truly, I mean that I am open to ideas, where is caylee? why would someone take caylee..? I mean I know children do go missing and get stole, but RARE RARE and usually by a parent…
so, can this cae be like the limburgh case? the kidnapping crime of the century???
i think not
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:49 pm Okay now you are insulting my intellegence(lol).
Dak, not meaning to so I hope that lol shows you are not taking that seriously b/c I’m not trying to attack your intelligence, I just don’t understand your thinking, that’s all.
You can’t make a statement and then not explain it. Explain it the best that you can….without going into detail if your uncomfortable with it.
Why are people so accusatory about anyone who doesn’t see there way. This a comment in regards to Pammy asking if I was a family member which I am not.
and if I had time i could read every post you have posted but I can’t hrdly even get on these days so I come in when the posts are going and i say what makes you think M could be innnocent? why would someone steal caylee??? why? why would a woman with children want to take on another child? for what reason for child selling? for what???
and if I had time i could read every post you have posted but I can’t hrdly even get on these days so I come in when the posts are going and i say what makes you think M could be innnocent? why would someone steal caylee??? why? why would a woman with children want to take on another child? for what reason for child selling? for what???
Nobody I know has ever been able to understand my thinking even my own wife.
Pammyliz, Your right. If this was a kidnapping, M could have told the whole truth in the beginning and they may have found Caylee by now. The truth is……M COULD NOT tell the truth, b/c the truth would not “set her free!”…..
I didn’t mean that in any way accusatory, it sounded so ant when you said “if i knew she would be home” ( referring to how M said it, exactly said it in fact), but i was actually joking …
I didn’t mean that in any way accusatory, it sounded so ant when you said “if i knew she would be home” ( referring to how M said it, exactly said it in fact), but i was actually joking …
Dak, b/c it is hard to comprehend how anyone BESIDES THE ANT’S could even remotely see M’s side of this case!!!!! So therefore, we wonder when someone takes the side of the accused in this case…….what motive would they have unless they were related???????? Just my thought!
well at least your honest dak lol
but i am amzed at all thats come out anyone would still think a sinister plot has happened.. even on the short tapes is aw dak, she was hedging on her answers!! how can you not see it?? she doesnt even make sense.. in fact C says at one point your not making sense or it doesn’t make sense…
Not related to the Ants and I hope other people read all theses post so I don’t have to go through explaining it again.
hmmm…. well i am riled up anytime is ee her face or hear her voice, it was hard o believe they were indeed acting like this normal close knit family when afew weeks prior C was choking M over stolen money from an old feeble grandfather, so when i saw this loving C with her murderous daughter it kind of blew my mind
Theres a lot of things that I say and do that don’t make sense. Not everything has to make sense.
Dak, you’ve been on here for a long time. You have yet to convince 99.9% of the bloggers on here of M being remotely innocent. Not b/c they have “unjustly” convicted M in the eye of public opinion……FACTS ARE FACTS. There are too many facts, circumstanial or not……that will convict M. You have yet to give us facts that would give us reason to change our opinion.
ok sorry Dak I didn’t even mean it in all seriousness.. so
anyone reading can read what I said…
Dakdude3 said,in December 4th, 2008 at 11:59 pm Theres a lot of things that I say and do that don’t make sense. Not everything has to make sense.
Dak…….YOUR really disappointing me now…….WHEN A PERSON’S LIFE DEPENDS UPON IT…..IT BETTER DAMN WELL MAKE SENSE OR THEY WILL GO DOWN!!!!!!
anyways, it is what it is .. a murder case with an attention, loving murderer, with a destroyed family, and no sign nor trace of caylee..
and dak don’t make me tippy toe around my words, if i say something, cause rarely do you and I blog.. soo…. don’t make it an issue… and I have always said your entitled to your own opinion, but let other have theirs as well, and if 99% fel she did this, well your in no way changing anyones minds
Dak, others have come in the room in defense of the Ant’s and have been asked if they are the Ant’s as well……it’s just a given. Nobody really believes you are an Ant! Chill. We know DAK is DAK…….you are the only one who sticks around long enough to keep catching flack about it!! lol…
we;ll talk on jury deliberation day dak.. or….. maybe by some miracle by then ( year later ) maybe your right caylee will be then age oh 5 maybe and someone will find her alive and all of us bloggers and media and NG and the world will be guilt ridden because we chose to believe proof over nonsense and a silly girl who did all this. In fact let me say there is 100% MORE of whats beenproven than anything M has said … not one single sentence thus far has had any merit or worth…
Dak, my issue with you is that you make statements and then you don’t elaborate on them. You fear others will make more of it????? What kind of answer is that? It’s like you have something to hide and then it makes me question your credibility? If you have something to say and let the chips fall where they may!
I’m not on here to convince anyone that C is innocent and it really wouldn’t matter what I said or info I provide people on here wouldn’t believe it anyway so i don’t bother tryig. This is a blog to express thoughts and opinions on the case and not to have to give detailed explanations about why you feel the way you do about it. And yes I do see the facts(DNA, Lies, etc)and am not saying they are fake or falsified, or planted just that they don’t prove anything but what they are meant to show that there was a body(whether human or animal)in the trunk. I am not a forensics expert so I cannot say hey its Caylee. So until they have a body or DNA other than the hair(which still isn’t 100% conclusive)then I will continue to hope and think Caylee is still a live. And even if they can prove 100% she is dead it still doesn’t prove it was CAsey who killed her.
NG going to be on an in hour, i have to be up at 4:30 so heck I am staying up get a few zzz’s and then to work. but i have to hear the whole tapes,
I think dak just doesn’t like me is all, and thats why he and I don’t normally have a convo..
NG going to be on an in hour, i have to be up at 4:30 so heck I am staying up get a few zzz’s and then to work. but i have to hear the whole tapes,
I think dak just doesn’t like me is all, and thats why he and I don’t normally have a convo..
Dak………if you believe that M tells “half truths” in her statements, can you elaborate on that? What has M said so far, that LE or anyone else has been able to verify that is even remotely close to the truth????
No Pammyliz…..it’s not you. He disagrees with everyone on the blog!
who else would have a reason to kill caylee?? what ? did she do something to piss someone off? at age 2? you mean others hated caylee enough to kill her??? or had a motive? I think not… like you said no need to explain it dak, it will be explained for us at trial…
your right we’re all just a bunch of dumb people on here who don’t know or understand anything, we are like sponges for the media, we don’t have minds of our own or thoughts, we’re not really all moms…
Why does someone have to elaborate on anything just because they feel differently. And Pammy my point the whole time is I am NOT trying to change anyones mind.
Dak, your right, you don’t have to prove anything to anyone on this blog. But what is the point of coming on to the blog and making a statement that you don’t wish to elaborate on? If you make a comment, then we should all ignore you and then the conversation will be ended and you’ll have had “your say”. Is that what you want??
the last time I checked the FBI had afr more intelligence than me a mom of a toddler. so I guess I have to go with what they stated… because caylee has not been found alive..no trace of her.
Pammyliz said
your right we’re all just a bunch of dumb people on here who don’t know or understand anything, we are like sponges for the media, we don’t have minds of our own or thoughts, we’re not really all moms…
Okay I think this comment was really not called for since noone is saying thats the case.
good I think peoples minds can only be changed if they want it to, if for some reason the defense can show me some other proof or logic to what has happened then my mind cannot be changed…I am kind of like that very strong minded and very stubborn, but also am open to miracles from God too…
Pammyliz, if your leaving so am I b/c I think it’s will only be Dak and I and since he doesn’t want to explain himself……it will be like talking to myself!
And CHSAH I do try to elaborate on what I can but unfortunately I don’t have an answer or reeason for alot of things.
because in many of your posts you have stated such that you people believe the media and what is being told to you, or that we’re following NG and media … thats why i said that… and what else do we have to go by then the media, televeision, newspapers?
I don’t have an explanation so thats all I can say.
It is so sad that you (Dak) can’t feel for Caylee who is the real victim here and you only defend M. No explanation needed from you. Just my observation.
I guess maybe you have a point but I don’t believe evrything I believe in the Media they do tend to spin things.
i think i have to leave wasn’t going to but am not letting dak start something with me when I didn’t say anything other than blog with him for a change and its obvious he doesn’t like me. so yah NG is on soon, i have laundry going, drinking coffee and enjoying the solitude…
sorry dak I won’t get on your nerves anymore…
CHSAH I did leave you some comments today
your a beautiful lady and you have a handsome hunk of a partner!!! LOL, lovely family you have
I feel for Caylee.
Yeah thats right everybody leave since e=verybody thinks all want to do is start something. I think in that retrospect I won’t be back.
Dak, if you can’t explain a comment, then it shouldn’t be made b/c in order to have an opinion, you have to have a “basis” for that opinion. I have never heard anyone say “because I said so” without having an explanation as to WHY they think what they do. Just seems weird to me. Ya can’t be the parent here and use the ol’ “because I said so” because we are not children. We deserve an explanation if your going to comment, that is just being fair.
then where else can we get our info from? if not through those sources? do we let M tell us the story???? wel she hasn’t// do we let her family tell the story??? who do we listen to? it doesn’t matter cause the child cannot be found… the child cannot be found.. the child cannot be found…
Or maybe I will be back it all depends.And you are not getting on my nerves Pammy.
Well then i guess I don’t belong here anymore. I do try to explain myself as much as I can and if thats not good enough then i should leave unless my opinion changes.
Pammuliz, I’ll check it out! why thank you my BFF!!! Good nite. Give the lil one a kisseroo from me! Hugs.
good dak no harm intended… maybe we’re just all on edge i know I am…so don’t leave… i have always said your entitled if you think back I just ask for answers i do want answers unfortunately none are cming that seem logical so i have to go with what the FBI and LE and pros is telling me on this one.. although just watching and hearing M herself dak says alot to me…I don’t know..
Dakdude3 said,in December 5th, 2008 at 12:19 am Yeah thats right everybody leave since e=verybody thinks all want to do is start something. I think in that retrospect I won’t be back.
Oh Dak…….you always say that. You’ll be back. You can’t stay away! lol.
And by the way you guys give the same crap to everyone that has come on here with the same opinion as me and sometimes in a harsh way but I guess I was more stubborn to be pushed out but I think its time for me to go since I have been here for so long and people still have no clue as to how I think or why I think they way I do. Unforunately you guys have more ammo(lol) to come out with based on the evidence and I have nothing to prove my point so it seems a waste of time to try. So its been fun.
Goodnight chsah and dak too. I am gonna stay up to hear NG and see what else i missed…
Dakdude3 said,in December 5th, 2008 at 12:21 am Well then i guess I don’t belong here anymore. I do try to explain myself as much as I can and if thats not good enough then i should leave unless my opinion changes.
Dak, maybe your just not very good at explaining yourself and we frustrate you by asking you to elaborate? No one means to give you grief but if ANYONE comes on here disputing what 99% of us see or feel, I can guarantee you that person will be asked to explain just as you have been asked to do. For anyone to not see the facts in this case, is just beyond us so we are just trying to understand where you are coming from.
nite Pammyliz!
dak your being silly… part of a blog a good one is a good debate, and you do open up a good debate it just seems like when i ask you anything or debate with you, you get mad
Dak, don’t say your gonna leave AGAIN. You always say that and you always come back. I hate to tell you but in case you didn’t notice 99.9% of the bloggers on here believe that M is guilty and the Ant’s ALL suck!! For you to expect sympathy for the way you feel isn’t going to happen in this blog. That’s JUST reality. If you choose to stay, then expect the differences to continue. Put on your big boy panties and suck it up.
lol i think daks mad at me 🙁
Pammyliz…..that’s ok, it’s USUALLY ME he’s mad at! lol……he just leaves the blog when he gets frustrated. He’ll be back! lol..
maybe I am the one should leave??? lol… who knows this case makes me crazy, i am super busy I try to keep up with you all.. but at night I am tired when posting.. now I made dak mad and hes leaving?
i feel so unpopular 🙁
pammyliz!!! don’t you dare talk about leaving! Everyone will be heart broken! Dak is just a sensitive guy…..maybe he went to put in his big boy panties???? lol..
well. ok… but I don’t come in here for trouble , when I come on at night I come into everyone leaving, i try to catch up and join in but everyone gone, now I have went and made dak mad..lol
argh.. i need to go to bed and stop worrying over this case, but i can’t i try to but I still come back
Dak just likes to make his comments and doesn’t want to have to explain his self. When he is asked to, he gets all flustered and then threatens to leave. He don’t mean it, you watch…..He’ll be back tomorrow (or soon).
well i got 20 mins to sit in the quiet and hear it all, rare that I am up this late on the eve of my 5 am shift lol i am gonna be sooo tired tomorrow…
but want to see Ng. see obsessed…LOL
Pammyliz, your heart is in the right place (Caylee) and your mind knows logic (M is a murderer)…..you have never come in the blog and caused any trouble. Like I said, Dak just wants his say and doesn’t want to have to explain.
i still think I am un-popular here…LOL LOL but I will be calling sunday for the show…CHSAH are you callin?
ok Pammyliz…..NITE FOR REAL! lol….
Pammyliz, your not unpopular, just with Dak (heeee….heeeeee…) and there are some of us that are unpopular with him. (Dak…I know ur lurking!). I think I’m gonna listen to you all…….I get more out of the conversation when I listen to you all! I hope more people do call in tho……glad to hear that you are!
Nite pammyliz….
Nite Dak….
Dakdude3
I am so glad someone thinks like me. I cannot explain my thoughts but I feel Caylee is alive. Your comments totally explain my thoughts. I will be positive until otherwise. Everyone thinks I am crazy but I have strong feelings about this case. I am not a lawyer but I am well educated.
I have a 2 year old granddaughter who lives with us and I take care of her daily. My choice. Her mom is 21 and just finished school and is working.
Blogging is for people to express their thoughts online. I think everyone should accept how someone feels and be positive when blogging instead of downing people just because they have different thoughts.
Time for bed.
Watched all the interviews with Casey…DON’T BELIEVE HER!!!
Sandy, your always welcome to blog your comments. You will find yourself getting frustrated on this blog however b/c 99.9% of the people on this particular blog dispise M and the Ants and you will find no sympathy here for them. And those that do express even an ounce of sympathy for them will find themselves under the gun so to speak. We will not accept a mommy killing her child (accidental or not is irrelevant at this point) b/c this so called mommy has offered not help in the recovery of her daughter. There is no humane explanation for M’s actions from day one that caylee went missing. The only people that may feel they get put down on this blog is those that make strong comments about the innocense of M and the Ants without any proof to substaniate their comment. Yor right, blogging is to express one’s thoughts online, but by doing so, it also opens your blog comments open to discussion by others. I for one will not “accept” anyone’s thoughts that M is innocent and that she is innocent in all the lies she has told thus far. And I will argue the point with anyone who thinks that M is innocent. I don’t understand where one can say “I can’t explain my feelings why Caylee is alive”…….that is an opinion and opinions are based are feelings or emotions. You need to do some soul searching and figure out why you feel the way you do and then explain it on here. Otherwise comments on pure speculation have no value.
Jill from Western Australia……..awwwww to see there is still others still joining the blog with a keen sense of Justice!
Sandy – Asking someone to explain the basis of their opinion is not “downing” them; instead, it’s an attempt to see the situation from their eyes. It is to engage in conversation about the topic. An attempt to understand them.
We all go through life with both thoughts and feelings. Sometimes the two match, sometimes not. Thoughts are based on logical processes, while feelings are grounded in emotion (i.e. Sense and Sensibility).
If someone tells me they believe Caylee is alive, based on feelings alone and that they have no logical basis to form an opinion and ware thereby limited to feelings, not thought, on the subject, I would respect that. Completely.
However, if they tried to tell me that it is based on thought (logic), then I would want to discuss the various points they are basing their opinion on. If they presented ideas more logical than my thoughts, I would concede those points. If not, I would continue to defend my points, and expect them to follow the same rules of logic (recognizing/admitting fallacies, determination of shared assumptions/values, agreement on premise, etc.).
What I DO have a PROBLEM with is when those same people who admit they are going by “feeling alone” suddenly decide to attack the “other side” (LE, scientific evidence, FBI, etc) based on logic! In other words, they apply logic to the view they disagree with but refuse to apply logic to their own “side” (beliefs based on feelings alone).
That is unrealistic, unfair, and nonsensical. If someone applies the rules of logic to one side, then he or she should apply the rules of logic to the other side.
If people want to be respected in a conversation, then imo they should pick one or the other: feelings applied to both sides or logic applied to both sides (or admit their process & the complexities, and certainly concede the obvious).
Otherwise, they appear to be troublemakers, just causing chaos, for if they mix the two, they are not genuinely attempting to search for truth (yet often they are claiming to search for truth).
pickles – to your earlier comment, please, no need for you to feel guilty. Not you! You’re the one who always remembers everyone and is kind and welcoming to everyone. No need to feel bad about anything! I promise.
NEW VIDEO:
I developed a theory while watching some of the videos: I think Casey wants LE to find Caylee’s body.
(and her plan is for LE to believe her lies and blame it on Zanny, not her). Then she can go home, and they can all be happy fam again, with her as the star attraction of the fam.
…Theory’s basis begins with her original story, plus I think she changed Zanny story to Blanchard Park bc she was growing frustrated that no one had found Caylee yet (bc when they find her, in her mind, she gets to go home bc by then, they will have embraced her lies).
In the video tape, 9 days after being arrested, first time to talk to fam, when C asks her where she thinks Caylee is, m says she thinks she is local. She told C&G that she told lee to look locally–“Check places we’re familiar with. It wouldn’t hurt to look.”
[WHY would she say this, if her kidnapping story were true?]
My theory is that this was her BIG hint bc she wanted Caylee found (for selfish reasons, not bc of Caylee). When she grew impatient bc Caylee had not been found, she changed her story and made up the new kidnapping story about Blanchard Park. (possibly bc Caylee IS in the park? or near it?)
**When G gives “hand/finger” metaphor, one finger representing each fam member, he says 2 fingers are missing. Instead of grieving this fact, Casey immediately says, “But I’m still here.”
(that says it all, to me. …that Caylee is gone and m desperately wants to return home to be big happy fam again. In other words, if she were not guilty, she SHOULD have said, “I’m here for now, and when the kidnappers are found, then we’ll have Caylee, too”).
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Something else notable:
When discussing LE interviewing her, Casey says, “I don’t want to talk to someone who tells me I’m lying (ref. to Allen & Melick). I want to talk to someone who will take the info I’m giving them.” …Then she says she wants to talk to a Mr. Wells, who she had a “great” conversation with on day one.
[My interpretation of this is that she sensed he believed her lies, so she wants to talk to him, not someone who will confront her with logic and truth.]
COMBINE THE 2 IDEAS:
In m’s mind, if only she can find Mr. Wells and get him to believe her, and if only they can find Caylee (locally, where she left her, possibly in Blanchard Park), then she can return home, change her wild ways (be a “good” girl), and revert to being a child again, surrounded by adoring adults and doting elder brother. She could be the “baby” again–the star attraction on Hope Springs Lane.
What say you?
morning E1 – We’re going to look at a house this morning…MOLLY BEAR and PICKLES your prayers may have been heard!…will let you know!
Anna..you hear hon?
am watching jail vidieos, they make me sick can barley stand to watch what a bunch of bs the only one m is trying to protect is herself they are really sickning!!! morning all
what a crock, who does m feel comfortable talking to if she wasnt a darn liar these videos are repulsive why im watching i dont know, thanks jan for your article its true horrible things happen to these little defensless children, and they happen by the people these children look up to for love and saftey, all they want bottom line is love and compassion, someone to hold and care for them, someone they can love makes you very sad people can be so cruel!
Pammyliz…
You are not unpopular..just very precise.. I think Dak does this to get a rise out of all of us!!! But thats OK, we all are mothers(I think) and by some God given talent, when we see a lie, we KNOW a lie.
But everyone is entitled to their opionon(opps spellcheck)… truly believe Dak is egging us on..IMO. But he wil be back….
Dak.. just one question, easy to answer.. are you a lawyer????
wondering did m hear about the description of the gal at airport with the child that looked like caylee? before or after she gave description of zanni, plus if zanni ‘had money’ why would she be babysitting, people with alot of money dont usually do thoes kind of things, they aree either making more money or doing something dif,
If I remember correctly from his previous posts Dak is a stay at home dad with severe (clinical) depression. Unless he was being sarcastic and didn’t mean that when he wrote it.
He has been on this blog longer than I have and that’s many months – a long time. His position has never wavered. He believes/hopes Caylee is alive and has seen no evidence whatsoever that persuades him that M is responsible for her disappearance or death.
I do not believe he is insincere – that he is doing this to “egg us on.” He may have stuck to his position out of sheer stubborness but not necessarily to get a rise out of us.
He is entitled to his opinion. We just have to remember that that’s all it is. An opinion which has no basis in fact, evidence or testimony. He’s happy with that. We are not going to change that.
I have suggested before that we who disagree not engage in “debate” with him because no number of facts or anything else will change his mind. When someone chooses to disbelieve all of that there IS NO dissuading. And that’s why the “debates” end up more like arguments and put downs.
To avoid that I suggest that we let him have his opinion, say what he wants, and move on. Anything else is futile and ends up with someone getting “hurt.”
As far as others who have come on to the blog expressing similar points of view, usually after some discussion it becomes apparent that the person has not read up on the case and is unaware of most of the evidence and testimony.
This is understandable. We should not shut down such people but try to inform them.
In Dak’s case, I believe he is pretty well informed because I believe he reads a lot of info here (although I am not sure he has read all the docs etc) but he sticks to his admittedly unfounded opinion. He wants to. He wants that. So we should let him have it – without negativity. Dak is Dak and that is that.
IF there is a Zanny, from what we know she loves Caylee, she has money, she has plenty of time to take care of her at the drop of a hat anytime of the day, overnight, and weekends. She has everything the child needs from clothes to toys and takes her to Disney and Universal and the beach. Even has a car seat just for her. After meeting the ants, I think Caylee should STAY with Zanny. I would truly hate to see an innocent child returned to the repulsive sick “Ant House of Lie and Deny.”
what a game she plays, especially with lee trying to talk in code how can they all play along, and why????
m2c~ i agree with you e1 is entiteled to thier opinion whether its the same as ours or not, and no one should put any one down for it, not saying anyone here does that just stating it! i really wish i could believe that caylee is alive, that would be the best but i just cant, no matter how hard ive tried!
Morning, anna!
Having read a lot of mysteries with amazing (although not very realistic) plot “twists” I admit that I hold out a little hope that maybe by some chance, some miracle Caylee is alive.
I WANT to believe that as we all do.
But every bit of evidence and testimony etc that comes out dims that hope more and more. Plus there has not been one shred of evidence showing anything else could be true! Even kidnapping!
There is no reason in the world for M to have to keep everything a big “secret” for this long to “protect her family.” She’s had lots of very good opportunities to get professionals out looking for Caylee and any “bad guys” without word leaking out. That’s what the FBI does for pete’s sake! And even Padilla! He could have kept it under his hat if the circumstances warranted it! And he’d have gone looking for her!
But M is just plain lying and always has been!
And, yes, from the recently released videos it looks to me like C knows it. But maybe she’s mental enough to have left the jail and “put it out of her mind” so to speak. Just chosen to believe what she wants to believe – not necessarily for M and definitely not for Caylee – but for herself because she can’t face it.
M2C… Yes, I do see your point. You are correct about not trying to change someones point of view.. I did not realize Dak was a stay at home dad, and if he truly is depressed, I can understand why he is so adament about believing m is telling the truth. Maybe he wants to believe it so badly that he has convinced himself that no one would ever intentionally hurt a child… I want to believe that also. But ufortunately I am very pragmatic. I see what I see.. and I beleive what I believe, and everything point to m killing her baby.
I meant no harm to Dak.. I guess I (like most of us), just don’t understand the Ants actions. It is just so frustrating… this case has made us all a bit defensive in our own beliefs. Dak is an intrigal(spellcheck) part of this blog.. just like everyone else.
Maybe as a mother and grandmother, I feel the need to protect little Caylee and want to see justice prevail…
Lilred, just to be clear my previous post was not aimed at you. I had read last night’s posts and was responding to all of that.
As far as I know Dak is a devoted father of two who is very protective of his children.
I do not think that being a mother or grandmother lends any special insight or significance. In my experience fathers and grandfathers are equally extremely devoted and probably just as insightful and sensitive – although often not as talkative about it as their female counterparts.
Everyone from Sheriff Beary to Bounty Hunter Padilla has mentioned their grandchildren so I know they “feel” this as much as any of us.
But this world has a lot of different kinds of people in it – male and female. First, having a different opinion than us doesn’t make someone bad. It just makes them different (and admittedly frustrating!LOL!). And there have been both men and women who think differently than we do.
And if we are prepared to believe that a mother has taken the life of her child and is covering it up with a landfill of lies then we should also believe that any man out there is capable of loving and caring for a child, and seeing thru those lies just as much as any woman.
Lilred = why he is adament about believing. Ever thought about who really is behind these screen names?
So do they think that Caylee is alive or is it that she wunts them to find her body so she can blame “Zanny”??
2nd Opinion – Yes, the poor guy has been accused of really being everyone from BB to LV to a Kidfinder creep. I don’t believe it myself. I believe that Dak is his own unique self and does not have a hidden agenda or sinister motivation.
Wherd Dak go…is he mad???
I accuse him of that jus to mess with him….he is none of them..just a husband and fathr of two..girls i believe…a stay at home dad
So is Caylee alive?? Is Zanny real?? OR is it just anuthr goose chase to claim killr’s innocence?
Hey Pickles! From what I read of last night’s posts he got in some hot water and may have gotten mad. I hope he comes back. It’s important that we try to respect the fact that he has a different opinion.
OOO thats whut wus said on them tapes Zanny had evrthng that baby needed..more reading is the key here!!!
That and Dak has been here long time…he got all pissie…did he say I am not coming bak again>??
Assuming a heck of a lot here. Unique. Possibly uniquely opposite of any of the above.
Yes, Pickles. Sounded like he was going to leave the blog. I hope he reconsiders.
He is a pill..he knows how evryone feels in her xcept him and maybe one or two othrs…so its his own fault when he comes in to the room full of ppl who in no way believe Caylee is livng or that her birth mothr is innocent…he shuld kno better then to get all pissie about it
He says that evry time…he;ll be bak
2nd Opinion – I accept everyone’s comments on face value. I cannot assume pure motivations just because their opinion agrees with mine. Therefore I cannot assume ill-intentioned motivations when someone’s opinion is different than mine.
Dak will return…..return of the Dak…
Thats it I am leavng the pc on 24/7 I mean these ppl cant maintane fur one night in here..whut the heck….Dak wus busy… 😛
So Caylee isnt alive and all that talk bout Zanny havng all her needs takn care of ie: cloths car seat food ect…is just killrs talk..ahhh i see..
Hey afk muh boy is on the pc..bbiab
Pickles: M did say that Zanny had everything Caylee needed. In fact M said everything I did in my 8:04 am post (except the part about “drop of a hat.”) So I just expanded on that pretending for a moment that it was true. And if it was true then to me Zanny sounded like a better caretaker for Caylee than any Anthony.
after watching some of the vidios (couldnt get thru them) i am convinced m is very sick!! i also believe shhe was so jelous of caylee and c relashionship, thats why she hurt her ive gone back and forth thinking accedent but after the fight on the 16 i think she snapped and killed her to get back at c its sad how the fam is going along with the lie, and as for bb hes in it for his 15 min of fame i think without him she might of told by now but hes keeping her quiet for personal gain what a joke the whole fam needs mental help and soon!
I agree with you, anna! People who know her said that she’d tell so many lies she’d actually end up believing them herself! And that even when being caught in a lie she’d never back down. She’s still doing that – to the nth!
I wonder if she’d change her tune if her parents were behaving differently. Like if they’d said, “Yep. It looks like M is responsible for Caylee’s disappearance/death.” Instead of covering for her. Probably it would not change M’s story. She’d stick to it with a vengeance and just hate her parents.
Wish someone could think of something to jar the truth from her mouth.
parents are responsible for making thier children accept consequenses of thier actions, they should have been doing this along x ago but its not to late to start! bbiw
I so agree with so much of what was written last night about the interview. This family is so dysfunctional with a lot of hidden secrets and lacking appropriate boundaries.
I was really disturbed by Goerge’s “Hi, Georgous” I find that an odd comment. Cindy’s behavior through the conversations seemed to indicate she is hiding something. Casey is clearly hiding everything and Lee is just shady.
I don’t know how anyone with any ability to think could think she is innocent. She is so Guilty.
Mornin’ E1. Whew, just got done reading posts from last night. A few people mentioned that M said Zanny had a key. Actually she did not say Zanny had a key. She said “well, you know she has a key…” that is her direct quote. I think Cindy and M were referring to Amy Huizinga. Afterall, M had been setting it up for Amy to move in to the house. Amy was forwarding her mail there so it stands to reason she may have had a key in anticipation of moving in shortly. It was around that time when Cindy started talking about Amy, or Jesse, or Ricardo being the one(s) who took Caylee.
PS Lilred and others,
Lawyers think she is Guilty, too. I doubt Dak is an attorney, he would not have that much time to devote to this blog.
Lawyers have the ability to argue with rational thoughts. They do not necessarily believe their client is innocent. They just protect them from illegal actions and speak on their behalf. If the client is Guilty, they know it, but probably have not heard that from the client. They just do their job just like everyone else.
Now BB is an odd duck, too. Perfect match for this clan if you ask me.
I think what we are watching on those videos are layers upon layers of deception for different reasons.
Like ShareBear said at 9:47 am and many have said they are all lying.
But what I have to remind myself is that there is an extra layer of deception on top because they all know it’s being video taped – so that adds extra “self-consciousness” to their words and actions.
I’m sure that’s why G said, “Hi, Gorgeous!” He was trying to think, “what would a normal father say to his daughter?” and of course he blew it. Couldn’t even fake it well. And M is worried about how she looks. And C is worried about public image for family and wants to appear like a “mom of the year” too plus everything else. It is such a joke.
At the same time I have to say that I don’t really understand the necessity of showing this to the public. Or even publicizing all the docs and statements etc.
I can see that LE may need access to such things but why the public? Especially before trial? I can see it all coming out after trial maybe if the person is found guilty.
I am not sticking up for the ants or for criminals but to realize that all that stuff is out there plus someone in that position cannot talk to anyone in private except their attorney is really awful! I mean maybe it has to be that way but man, it’s tough. And I have to remember that in some cases -not this one – the person in jail is innocent!
Does Florida have particular laws like this that other parts of the country don’t have?
I’ve never heard of it before this. I know 911 calls are public record but all the rest?
Geez. Can anyone explain this – our friend Retired Attorney John maybe? Anyone?
Hi 2ndOpinion…(first comment to me)
You know what.. I often wonder who is truly behind these names!!!!
I would like to know if “Dak” is his name.. just being nosey!!!
With most of the peeps on here, I think we are all genuinly(spell check!) just concerned about this sweet baby..
As caring and compassionate people it is almost like our duty (to Caylee) to be her voice.. especially when the one person who should protect and love you, your ‘mother’ could do such a horrendous thing.
Even her own grandparents have sold her out.. it is a pity.
I do agree that a man/father shares the same emotions as a mother would.. I commend Dak for being a stay at home dad. It isn’t an easy job.. I do hope he comes back.. no one meant anything derogatory(spell that one!) towards him.. emotions run high. This is an innocent baby that is gone forever.. it touches people in many different ways.
When we finally walk away from all this.. I hope we all learn the lesson that our children are indeed a gift.. not to be discarded because of inconvience. I know we all would have taken Caylee into our homes as we have already taken her into our hearts…
Love you all
bbl
What more can you expect in a country where children in the womb are not “really” children, but only “tissue” to be discarded at whim; where children can be partially delivered, then have their little heads crushed or their brains sucked out by the doctors (partial birth abortion); where the mantra is “whatever makes you happy is good”; where you can’t have the Ten Commandments hanging in schools, so instead you have children bringing guns to school.
The Theory of Evolution has reduced us all to the level of animals, and it shows in the behavior of our society. Our society today says “there is no God; there is no one to ultimately answer to; no one’s life is special or unique; there will be no final accounting; my pleasure now is all that matters.” And we can see this attitude in the flesh when we look at Casey Anthony.
I have never seen a more ego-centric, narcissistic person. Her daughter, Caylee, was not a person. She was a “snothead” and a “little shit.” Caylee was useful when Casey needed a home and people with money/goods she could steal from; Caylee was a sweet, precocious little girl who Casey used for attention; Caylee was a useful weapon to use against her parents. But Caylee was also a burden, who cut into Casey’s “play time,” and ultimately, Caylee was keeping Casey from getting what Casey wanted: the freedom to run wild, party hearty, and put more notches on her bedpost.
We need to throw ourselves on our knees and pray for God’s forgiveness. Pray for Caylee. Pray for our abused and tortured children. Pray for our society which has made these atrocities possible.
Knarahs…that is the most rockiness!!!
MotherEve said,in December 5th, 2008 at 10:05 am
I think they were settng up Amy too…
I love in the new videos released where Casey states that when she is talking to the cops, they give her looks like she is feeding them a load of manure. It is so funny because by the time of this video, the cops had already interviewed her at Universal Studios, where she admitted that everything she had told them was a load of manure. The even funnier part is that George and Cindy don’t yet know all of the lies she told the police because none of that had yet been publicly released.
I also find it interesting that she makes several comments about Jose, his visits, and how much she seems to like him……making you wonder about when all the touching started………..?
And pray for those who commit atrocities in the name of God. Both here – far right so-called Christians who give real Christians a bad name (IMO) and others all over the world in any and most all religions and those of no faith.
killr kinda goes all phyco hose beast fur the fellas…
Pray fur the whole world…and all who inhabitit it..!!!
Did you all notice that Cindy asked Casey if there were any pics that showed Zanny’s place, specifically asking about a place with a drumset? Casey hemmed and hawed and said Zanny had a drum set, but that was actually Ricardo’s apt in the pics, which is set up just like Zanny’s.
So of the thousands of pics Casey took of Caylee, not one included Zanny or any of the locations in which Zanny watched the child. Seems like the prosecution should be able to make something of such a glaring ommission in her shutterbug habit. Maybe cell phone cams and digital cameras did not work within a hundred yards of Zanny, perhaps having something do with the loads of money falling out of her pockets as she kidnapped the kids she watched even though she was independently wealthy.
Spacely – And I could not believe my ears when Queen C told M that she had been “threatened” by Detective Melich. That’s when he wanted to go see her father or the caretakers of her father to confirm the visit of her and Caylee on Father’s Day. Well, you know, Cindy. If you had actually remembered when you last saw your granddaughter and hadn’t said “a month,” then June 8, then June 9 and what? a week later say June 15 then maybe there wouldn’t have been a question about it. Maybe if you, C, had gotten the info that the Detective asked for and not stalled him he wouldn’t have had to consider going.
“Threatened?” I do so wish they really would threaten you with lying and obstruction and then follow thru and put you behind bars where you belong you lying, deceitful B…h!
What’s interesting is that no one had any reason to remember father’s day except C. She took Caylee to see her great grandfather alone! LV didn’t go. M didn’t go. G didn’t go. And NOTHING was done by anyone for G on Father’s day! Not a dinner. Not a picnic. Not a potato chip and beer. Nothing! Obviously a very forgettable day! What a useless selfish bunch of people.
Of course ther are no pixs of Zanny cus she is a vampire and you and I all kno darnd well they dunt sho up in pixs…..and she rides a magical unicorn..
I bet its cus g wus cheatng on her so no love on fathrs day…did he really cheat on her..or wus it jus an online hook up.?
Nightingale said,in December 4th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
That is awesome…whoaa I kept sayng to watch there body language and tell me…wow oh wow…they are a pee pod full of toxins
I am soo glad that soon Caylee’s justice will b servd..I just wish they culd find her and properly lay her to rest….
Theres a point in yur life wher you have to gro up and let yur childrn do fur themselvs and not constantly be a hovering parent…crazy c needs to let go and admit to whut she has dun wrong and free herself frum her daughtr…cleaning the car, and givng the wrong brush and lying are all crimes ..fine but IF they are truelly innocent in all of this and like Caylee they too are victems she needs to come to terms with her wrong doings involvd in this and start goin to bat fur Caylee..I kno that its prolly difficult cus its her daughtr but she needs to be Caylees advocate..she needs to let killr go…let it go..and start the mourning process and free herself frum this hell that killr has created and that she is torturing her with…
Did killr call Caylee a sh~~ head too..besides snot head..is that fur real..
I think that ppl are blinded by there niave ness…they think that cus she is a young pretty woman with a seemingly good life and family that she wuld never be able to kill or harm a fly let alone her child…ppl wuld rathr live behind there rose colord glassses that the whole world is perfect and ppl like susan smith and andrea yates dont xist..I mean cus to say that the evidnce that they have come out with and that all the lies..and well the fact that the child has vanishd frum the face of the earth isnt good enuff fur them..that she is to young and pretty and nice “LOOKING” ppl furget lookng..no one truelly knows her..her friends do..all the ones she implicatd in her daughtrs disapearance…they all kno her…hmm…welp I took muh rose tintd glasses off a long time ago..when woman startd killng there childrn fur a piece of A~~ ,and they startd splayng child molestors all over the tv screen and when they inventd Amber alerts…I just dont look at killr in that light…I think there is alot more to her than we will evr kno…I think that Caylee’s remains will remain lockd inside her head fur the remaindr of eternity or until they say shes gettng the death penalty…Its sooo hard to undrstnd how some culd view her as innocnet..
She is such a liar…a liar…all of it..her voice..she is a liar…all of it..
Boy oh boy when she askd her if she wuntd to tell Caylee anythng and killr startd bawling…seems to me she just might have sum guilt inside of her…fer that one second glimmer she thought bout whut she did and she cried…now I am not defending her in any way because all of her tears have been crocodile tears..but in that visit with her mom…when her crazy c askd her if she wuntd to give Caylee a msg..she stoppd and thought of somthng…and startd crying…there is somthng inside of her…im not sayng its good…im jus sayng that wethr she evr admits to it or not……those tears were spontanious…not controlld…
She shuld just fess up..and let out those emotions and she wuld get the PPD sentance and get life in prison…I mean…she shuld jus spill the beans…
If I wus her id blame muh ficticious pimp stole Caylee and wus holdng her fur his pimp money that she owes him and thats why they culdnt find the phone cus it wus a pimp phone…and that the pimp gave her 55 days to pay and since she didnt pay the pimp killd Caylee and framed killr fur the murder of her daughtr…bad pimp
crazy c needs to stop talkng to killr like shes a child…killr is a grown woman and c needs to start treatng her like shes an adult..those conversations in the visitations she is talkng and dealng with her like she is a child…its disgutsng…killr is an adult no wundr she dunt take anythng seriously…
IT WUS THE PIMP…I have figurd it out…it wus her pimp…
I have admittd that Caylee is no longr with us but fur my own imusemant and imagination purposes…(I KNO IT WUS KILLR) I am going to pretend it wus her bad pimp…
Hi, Pickles. I don’t really get the impression that they treat her like she’s a child but moreless like they’re intimidated by her. I’m reading an overcareful tone whenever they ask her questions, (as the more recent video of Lee trying to ask her questions). He tries, tries, retries, drops his head, reluctantly asks. Maybe it is kind of like they’re treating her like a child, (in a twisted kind of way) but just notice that everytime they seem to get too close, she starts her ranting filth and they back off. She has them over a big barrel!
–Not sure why having trouble posting, or why the duplication.
She has them waaay ovr the barrel..whut I mean is they take such a monotone with her..that its like they are talkng to a child…Im not evn sure its intimidation…more like fear of the unknown of whut she did with Caylee…
Yah Pammyliz has that prob too with the double posts…
Like so many are saying, that family has to have had a VERY strange background. It’s scary to think what little Caylee’s life was really like. Almost makes you feel like she had to know she was in everyone’s way. All her photos look like she was forced to smile. But it’s unreal how many of these type situations are being exposed, like the two idiots who bashed the little girl with a hammer only days ago. Worse yet – Think of all the abuse situations that are never reported! Sick-sick-sick…
“I want to see that little girl … I want to be with my baby.”
“I want to see that little girl
The child welfare workr stated in the released documents that that statement “that little girl” is a form of detachment frum the child..
Yapp its disgustng….and the more and more it goes on it seems like Caylee wus a burden to all of them…..I dunt kno tho…cus maybe c and g gave Caylee a good life and shielded her frum her moms static and nonsense…maybe the protectd her frum killr they did have her 90% of her life…so they hadda known sometime somwhere she wus not fit enuff to care fur Caylee on her own…Its just sooo hard cus of how addiment they are to protect killr they are blinded by her
Hay Flash I shall brb ….like aye I am away…hay hay by the bay I just may..ride a slay…
I personally do not buy the tear-jerking act – Why now? Maybe because she’s realizing the lies are getting her nowhere. I think, at first, she fantasized that everyone would see her as the victim. Now that she’s seeing this is for real, she’s becoming more frantic. I do not believe the tears are for Caylee. June, July, etc. went by and she went on partying. Yep, it may be crying time because the lies ain’t working!
Good Afternoon Everyone!
Bumpy you said:
“I want to see that little girl … I want to be with my baby.”
“I want to see that little girl
The child welfare workr stated in the released documents that that statement “that little girl” is a form of detachment frum the child..
Thank you so much. I’ve always wonder why Casey and the Ants always call her “That Little Girl”. Because no one seems to really call her Caylee. Only once in a while they refer her as Caylee.
I will BRB.
Flash at 1:28 – You’re right. She’s crying ’cause the lies aren’t working (for the first time in her life) and also because she is in jail! She asks in a number of oblique ways for them to get her out and also says “I can’t talk while I’m in here” to give them even more incentive to get her out. Like she could really help find Caylee if only she wasn’t in jail. Oh sure. We saw how well that worked out when she did get bailed out.
Now she’s in for good. I hope. I hope. And now no one is visiting!!!! None of her family as far as I know since she went in the last time!
Interesting!
i hope you have watched all of these video’s, cant you see that this family is a very close loving family? none of us are perfect, not one of us.
casey loves caylee, i think they need to start searching for a live caylee, the police are ignoring good tips, this little girl is most likely alive, so casey left her with someone that she thought that she could trust and they took her.
all the media ever hears are negative sentences taken out of context, we never get to hear the full story, look how long it took for the police to release these video’s! it took months, and there is so much more that we havent heard that they dont want us to hear, they are so quick to judge, there is no concrete evidence against casey, i mean there isnt even a body or clothing or anything that has been found, but how come no one has come forward in regards to this pixture that was taken that looks soo much like caylee? nobody has said that it was not her! hmmmm and what about the litte girl that talked to the lady at the airport and was interested in her puppy, caylee loves puppies and she even said her name was caylee marie antiny, exactly the way that caylee always said it
casey loves her daughter and she misses her too!! that is proven in the video’s!
Yeah, like her family is in danger and that’s why she is in jail to protect them. From who, I ask? M is a nobody. She is not important. Just some stupid little drop out. Can’t see anyone, drug dealers, pimp, gang, anyone put M in any position of importance or trust her with anything involving so many dollars that her family would be threatened.
Hey gorgeous, how you doing?” George Anthony said.
“I look like hell,” Casey Anthony said while laughing.
The family of the little girl in the pictures is proabably not coming forward in the public for the very good reason: They are busy raising her, loving her and do want the press to surround them in this circus.
Remember: decomposition, cadaver dogs, hair band, etc. That beautiful girl was killed by her mother. She is not alive
I mean do not want the press… sorry.
Yah Flash I see whut joooh are sayng too that the lies arnt workng fur her..I didnt think of it like that..
Welcome Mattie..you kno you are right also that there has been no clothes or evn a body found…maybe Caylee is alive …maybe zanny the nanny did take her..now if only they culd find her phone number or address to locate her and the child…
IF it wus muh kid in the possible mall sightng pic I wuldnt come forward..the ants are phycotic..Id be afraid c wus gunna try and kidnapp muh kid…I wuld go to LE privatly and respond to the pics of my child on the net…not out in public tho…I think its all kidlosrs set up…and I just watchd the vid of her cryng again…she cried cus she thought of whut she did to Caylee and she knows she is gunna b in jail fur a long time…thats prolly why she cried..the realization of where her crime has landed her…
Mattie, welcome to the BNN. Your opinion is welcome of course. But, how can you say there is no evidence tying Casey to her daughter’s disappearance? LE did follow up on tips. Remember it is difficult for them to sort through the lies to find an ounce of truth. They can only do what they can with what they know, which isn’t a whole lot b/c of M lies. Stuff gets released as it becomes available to the media to release it. Not that LE has “held back”. Besides, evidence that was presented to the Grand Jury was enought to bump her up from a “person of interest” to the main suspect. Not because LE is trying to frame her, a little nobody. Like they have nothing better to do than decide, “oh, I think we’ll ruin a family’s life today”. The GJ decision was based on evidence deemed to be worthy and credible enough to have her charged with murder.
I think its gunna b on court tv and othr news channels…sum sister stations to the major ones in FL…I am anxious to see whut LE has put togethr with there unconcrete circumstantial evidence…cus where I come frum in America…ppl are liars and they murder and they have family that will go to endless lengths to dispose of crucial evidence and cover up a hanious crime…if they are soo lovng and innocent then how come the car reiked of death soo badly that g puked when describing it to investigators…if she is soo innocent and loves her daughtr so much how come the car reikes of death to this day outside the garage at the sheriffs office that it is stored in…if she is sooo innocent how come that car reikes of death….DEATH…
Its a non winning battle MothrEve…the only question I have is why dus the car reik of death…pure death…and dunt tell me cus of a squirrell..
Also, the Grand Jury indictment is basically an automatic 51% Guilty. Now the State just has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Its sooo strange to see that ppl are seriously deluded by killr and her family…they are not the caring close nit family that they portray themselves to be…lets see..c constantly berraded killr in frunt of not only her family but her friends and her lovers…killr wus such an unfit mothr that c and g took ovr caring for Caylee on a regular basis evn goin as far to work split shifts to care for her round the clok..killr is a thief who has stolen thousands of dollars not only frum her parents but her ailing grandparents and her life long companions…g wus cheating on c and wasted all ther cash on eithr gambling or a net scam…they are not a perfect lovng family…c told Amy time and time again that killr wus a sociopath….evn in g’s interrogations with the feds he threw his daughtr undr the bus…I just dunt see them as the perfect caring lovng family…actually it seems as tho they dont evn kno there daughtr or the life she wus leading…she had a ficticous job fur 2+ yrs to get out of havng to tend to her child…I doubt she wus around much evn as a teen…whutevr it is that we see frum these ppl is most certainly a facade..they wunt the world to believe sumthng that there not…
i think caylee is alive, casey left her with someone and that someone was a wealthy person, like she said, and the police have not followed up on some good tips and leads, that pixture looks exactly like caylee.
nothing is concrete evidence against casey, if there was, they would of found a body or something, i mean something!! this family is a loving family, the videos show that, casey has loving parents and this family would never hurt each other, casey knows how much her parents love caylee too and that is why she feels guilty for not reporting her missing, she didnt want to disappoint them, she probably most honeslty thought that she could find caylee on her own.
more pieces to be heard on this story, i dont think that she killed her daughter, the media tries to piece things together to try and make it look like she did, but they arent telling the FULL story, this family is a christian family and they make mistakes just like everyone else does, and casey made a bad choice in thinking that she could trust someone with caylee and they took her, so now to try and find her
the police are quick to point judgement on how they think that the story should go, they are punishing casey for not reporting her daughter missing right away.
i pray that they find her soon, the little girl in that pixture is most likely caylee and the little girl at the airport was most likely caylee, so why dont they do their job and help find her?
I bet she culda found her on her own if she wulda got to the Fusions club at an earlier hour when its more appropriate to take children there…
Where else did her investigation lead her to look whut did she say she went to Fusions and to a hot body contest to search fur Caylee cus nanny liked to take Caylee to the club…when in fact it wus killr who took Caylee to the club somtimes and her friends told her the club wus no place fur Caylee to be…
LOL, Pickles
Hey where is Dak anyways….are joooh out there Dak…
Mattie is takng a long time between responses…where is Dak…has he poppd bak in yet..
Where else did her investigations lead her to look fur Caylee besides the clubs and partys??? I cant remember but she wus investigating real hard beer in one hand and a man in the othr…
Mattie how wuld you explain the smell from the trunk of the car….how would you explain the stench that is still in that car….
Mattie how do you feel about georges interrogation with the feds that he knows they are gunna find Caylees dna in the trunk of the car….
how do you feel about george sayng that caseys life is over as she knows it ..
how did the interrogation of george anthony make you feel…where he said he just knows thats Caylees dna in that car trunk
Hello guys. I follow you every day, but don’t write, because you guys seem to say it all!!
This question is for Mattie–so who’s dead body was in the trunk, and what do you have to say about the hair, and no emotion? If you were stuck in a jail cell, not knowing where your daughter was, wouldn’t you have pictures or something up…wouldn’t you be begging your family to go search?
When my cousin went missing, we stayed in the mountains 24/7 and did NOT leave until he was found, and cried continually!!!
It would be nice if you were right, Mattie, but unfortunately people calling themselves christians are also many of the people you will see in Court who steal, rape, batter, molest, and yes, murder. It is awful, but also true.
Cus when george wus interrogated he flat out said that they were gunna find Caylees dna in that car trunk…and that he just knows it his little Caylee..or is that just the way good loving familys disclose information about the where abouts of there missing grandchild…cus I watchd the interrogations and george feels in his heart that his daughter killd that child and that there wuld be dna evidnce in that trunk…or did you miss that interrogation of george anthony by the fbi??
I know Pickles, I just gettin a little worked up when these nuggets are dropped in without seeming to have examined what is known. I’ll let it go to keep the peace.
I mean its one thing to be deluded and blinded by this families outward appearance and how kidlosrs has polishd them to shine like angels…but frankly george anthony said alot of damning things in that fbi interrogation…he fully acknowladged the fact that he believes casey killd Caylee so it is just redundant for you to evn say that they are a loving family and that Caylee is alive cus according to caseys own father Caylee is dead and she is the one who killd her…or did you miss that interrogation Mattie…cus I didnt …I heard evrythng that george said bout his daughtr and grand daughtr…
MotherEve said,in December 5th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
What cha talkn bout…you dun nothng wrong
we have all the rights to question that persons motives bout the way they feel..I think that Mattie needs to watch george anthonys fbi interrogation cus the way she sees the family and the way that family is are two totally diff families
nothing is concrete yet, it is all speculation
caseys parents said, we know that you wouldnt hurt caylee, and casey says, that she loves her daughter
court will bring it all out, then we can make a better judgement
innocent until proven guilty
Blame the media for accessing public records, then televising Casey Anthony’s every breathe. The attorneys for the media outlet would march themselves right into the courts if their rights were violated.
MothrEve…
dunt worry bout it….its ridiculous..to say they are a perfect lovng family…the only honest one is george and he can only b honest when not around the rest of them in a private room with the feds…
If one just looks at the recent videos, I can see how someone might get the impression this is a loving, close, concerned family. IF you go by the new videos ALONE. But, taken in context along with all the other videos, documents, depositions, there is no way one could reasonably hold that impression.
But Mattie I wus akng whut you think of georges fbi interrogation?? Thats all
Hi everyone…
Did my post show up? I am new here. Well, new to posting, but not new to reading. I would like Mattie’s answer to my questions, also.
Thanks Pickles. Appreciate your support v much. I don’t often get worked up but geez, c’mon Mattie.
I just wus wundrng whut Mattie felt bout georges fbi interrogations…his honesty whut does she think of it
I kmow how to get the truth out of her. A strategically placed HOT curling iron. She’d talk!
BringCayleehome…WELCOME yes yur post showd up…sorry we dunt mean to not notice…thank you fur finally posting with us…we love it when wall flowers join in…
Thanks! I appreciate it. I am at work, so may not post a lot today, but will be reading!
Hot curler placed in the right spot…if only we livd in anuthr country where that kind of thing wus okay..then it wuld be on… 😛
WELCOME love2bgran
Mattie is really Cindy!
mattie — Thanks so much for the kind offer of Casey-Coolaid on this fine Friday morn.
So the pic from the mall is “most likely” Caylee? And the person Casey left Caylee with is “wealthy?”
…..hmmm, now why would a wealthy person feel the need to steal a car? Of course, you’ve done your homework and know the person who the mall-child was with was driving a stolen car, right?
And all the scientific evidence, the decomposing hair that is a DNA match to Caylee, the saturation of chloroform in the car, the chemicals released in the car that match chemicals found in human decomposition, the laser beam testing on the stain, the chloroform found in the contained spare tire section…. (
<<< last one should’ve sent shivers down your spine, better take a big gulp of that Coolaid quick! Make that image go away! The coolaid is the cure!)
And George, Cindy, tow guy, cops, Lee, Casey (she admits to Amy she removed something that was dead from her car) all admitting the car reeked of death.
And Casey’s fear so deep that her parents will learn the truth of her “lifestyle” that she repeatedly lies to LE, knowing the legal consequences.
And Casey is such a splendorific, grand-styled heroine that she ‘bucked up’ for 30 days, telling no one of the alleged kidnapping, all to protect her beloved daughter. Must have been so difficult for this heroine to pretend to have fun all those nights at Fusion.
hmmmm, all things considered, no thank you. I’ll pass on the Casey-Coolaid, but I appreciate the offer, nonetheless.
Its ridiculous..I am suspicious of Mattie tho..so whutevr…whered yah go Mattie..
Dak…
No Mattie is not crazy c..but I am suspicious of her true ident..
Tex der joooh b…darnd it…I sooo did not mean to furget..joooh have been her since the beginning too…I remember the hurricanes and evrythng…and joooh not being able to blog cus of the hurricanes…. 🙁
as fur the gurl at the mall if LE knows the car wus stolen then most likely they have had contact with those ppl and know its not Caylee
Howdy, my picklet! 🙂
And if by sum slim chance that Mattie is crazy c…hi phyco….you shuld go out and search fur that baby and lay her to rest….cus God can hear her blood cry out frum the earth and its all ovr your daughtrs hands.
I picklet muh nose… 😛
Pickles – I saw your posts from yesterday about that, and I posted a note to you late last night (wee hours). No worries, sista! It’s all good. I promise! 🙂
Thanks for the welcome Pickles!
I’m a truant officer and normally patient with people; however, as the mother of 3 and grandmother of 11, I would for SURE use the curling iron. Even in the good old US of A!
Hay aye Ill brb…in a minute…
whered Mattie go..she sur does take long to respond to posts…notice that…
picklet — your nose …. rofl
But Tex I memba the hurricanes and the way you postd one of jer last posts bout the storms…ohhh it made me worry fur jooooh..
Allright brb fur real dis time…!!!
Hello e1: Wow, you girls are on the ball today!!! I have seldom seen such passion. M2C, Pickles, LilRed you set this blog on fire with logic, intelligence, and your knowledge of the facts. Sorry if I left anyone out. Poor Mattie: Maybe Dak will come back and you will have a companion. I bet you still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and every Christmas Eve you set up waiting on Santa. The Ants are a loving family?? HaHa You are in a dream world. Tell you what, if you see love there, then you have a serious problem.
I try not to come down on people, but please!!!!! do not come in here talking like you live in never-never land. Honey, this is the real world, the real bad world. Like someone (Pickes?) said, women kill there kids every day because some stupid man tells them they do not want children. They kill them because they cramp their lifestyles, they kill their kids because they are insane, because their husbands do not help with childcare. Some kill because the child is too needy.
As a psychologist who has studied body language to gain clues into a persons life and issues, I have been following this case and many blogs and boards that discuss this case. I started just because of the Florida Sunshine Law and to see how that affected what happened as the case went on.
It is interesting to me how quick people believed what they want to believe and how easy it was for many to be angry and want “justice” even before all the facts are in. I also was surprised at how much people like the writer on this blog and Nancy Grace seem to affect the views and beliefs.
I watch Nancy Grace and Greta also. One big thing I see and it is a biggie is that although NG gets opinion from her “experts” they are just opinion based on very little knowledge of the client and the family. An ethical professional will not make the diagnosis these people make or even speak out regarding their opinion without a great deal more interaction with the person and collateral information. And yet, as soon as they say something so many of the bloggers and posters have taken it for facts. It isn’t.
As for Dr. Glass – yes, of her observations are based on what is often seen in people who are trying to deceive or trying to lie or are trying to avoid conflict or are jealous and etc. The problem with her whole opinion is that she has not observed these people in a normal situation or away from the stress of the jail house visit. For example, Casey messing with her hair may be a sign of Narcissistic behavior or it may be something she always does when stressed or something she does all the time no matter what. We all have known people who have odd little things they do.
Cindy’s laying her head on George’s shoulder may be jealousy or it may be that she does that because she is feeling good about his interaction with Casey. So much depends on what their norm is. We know that certain things may mean something – none of it is for sure and it all depends totally on the individual and what they “typically” do when in a “normal” situation. Something none of us has probably seen.
Also the evidence. Most do not understand all the forensics, how the testing is done or what the reports mean. Much of the view of these released documents have been interpreted for us by NG and others. For instance – no place in the FBI report do I see where there was a death band – known to be only due to the death of the body. And yet, over and over on this blog and others, I read that there was hair with death banding.
No one, not George or Cindy or LE, can identify death from the odor alone. And although the test from Tennessee say that there were chemicals consistent with a decomposing body – a test done prior to that in Florida could not identify that as so. There is also the issue of some chemicals, mainly Fluorides, missing from the car trunk air samples. So the indication is there – but not proof. In fact the air sample makeup is actually more like that of a pig or pork product.
There is still a long ways to go on this case. I don’t know what happened or where Caylee is. I do think it is wrong, very wrong, to give up all hope and not follow through on sightings and other possibilities.
Oh, and MAMABEAR if you’re reading this, the e-mail address you gave did not work, my e-mail was sent back, saying that the address was invalid. Maybe you typed it wrong, so I’m giving you the benefit of doubt, cause I’m sure you did not come in here, leaving a false e-mail address to stir up trouble. If you did that, you are not the person I thought you were. I really liked you and you did not come across as that sort. So, I am giving my e-mail out (which I seldom do) so you can clear this up. lilcabell@yahoo.com
Sociopaths can imitate normal behavior, which is why it’s so darn hard to catch them. There are many “tells” in the visit tapes that are already mentioned here. The reference to “that girl”, the expressions on G’s face (in the background) as he reacts to M’s lies. The evasion of direct questions, “we are being recorded, I will write you a letter”. Also the mall pic has a similar child in the background who is older. Same hair tied up; a possible sibling?
Hi All! I have been “lurking” since early on, but this is my first post. I think you’re all great (referring to the core group here)!
Concerned – I agree with your post above & also thought your theories from last night were really good – very plausible.
Pickles – you’re hilarious!
You all seem like wonderful, caring people. I read this blog almost obsessively!
After all this time reading & lurking though, its “Mattie” that has finally prompted me to comment! Pickles, I really don’t think she’s Dak using a pseudonym. The writing style is too different and, while Dak certainly thinks differently than the majority on here, he seems to freely admit & recognize that. This “Mattie” seriously freaks me out! I know its highly unlikely – but her comments, word/phrase choices, issue avoidance, etc REALLY DO sound like C… I know its totally crazy…but wow! If Mattie isn’t an Anthony, she sure as h*ll is DRUNK on that Casey-Cool-Aid! (Prob just a sick troll trying to pose as C though)
Grate here we go with more ppl droppng by to tell us how wrong we are…and to point out to us how wrong we are and how bad of ppl we are because of our feelings…thank you…all of you….it is the highlight of our day to be put down and made to feel 2″ tall cus of our theories and feelings on this tradgedy…thank you… Mattie and Debra…we are horrible and heartless ppl who shuld be ashamed of ourselves….please xcept our deepest apologies…as fur Jan and Simon the authors of thses articles…I doubt jooooh even kno them enuff to put them down like that…so if we are sooo evil and wrong why are you here with us…to put us down fur the way we feel..and the way we see the evidence where ever we obtaind it frum…thank you..for your phycological output on us and the way we are…
Debra,
I find that often, the truth is in the details, not generalities.
Any reason in particular you chose to zero in on the term “death band” while simultaneously ignoring the fact that the FBI Forensics Report indicates that the hair was in the process of decomposition? The death band is only one stage of decomposition. There are others, and the truth is that the report does not indicate which stage the test showed.
Regardless, the FBI testing lab does report that the hair (matching Caylee or Casey, with 1.85% possibility of it being another human being) did show that it was indeed in a stage of decomposition. It does not matter which stage.
You also failed to address the laser beam testing.
You also failed to address the cadaver dogs (plural dogs–plural locations).
This leads me to question your objectivity. Seems questionable to choose to focus only on the testing aspects that cast doubt while ignoring the aspects that don’t.
very well said, Concerned in Texas.
I wish I knew more about science.
Audrey – Welcome to the blog! 🙂
I appreciate your comments on my late-night theories. Thanks.
Hope you’ll join us regularly. We like “talking” fireflies! lol
(I assume since you read regularly, you know we lovingly call lurkers “fireflies” bc when they speak, they light up the room and help shed light on this nightmare we discuss).
Val,
I noticed that too (the other girl in the background).
Welcome Audrey Dak or not…Mattie and Debra …it is obvious how most of the bloggers feel on here bout this tradgedy…I think it must make ppl feel good to come in and try and belittle us and make us look stoopid…to be honest with them…if it wusnt fur that waste of time killr who sits in jail on murder charges of her daughtr…we wuldnt be here..with all of our nonsense….did you forget Mattie and Debra that the defense came out with a hypothetical confession on the eve of the 1,500 volunteer search fur Caylee that “IF Caylee is dead then she most certainly died of accidentall overdose of sedatives” I mean whut wus that..just pillow talk..they said that…They have totally abandoned the Zanny story all togethr in that letter that her death row defense attorney submitted…they dont evn use that story anymore…they have chosen to go with her depression and erratic behaviour since Caylees death…like that of the behaviour of andrea yates and susan smith which neither of whom wus sentenced to death…
Debra, because you are a professional, I value your opinion, but you are saying the same old, same old stuff we have heard before. Thanks for coming on this blog, we do listen to reason, but all reason tells me Caylee is dead. Why put a dead pig in your trunk? HuH? Why lie like this? Why not actively help le find your child? Why does grandmother C give the FBI the wrong hair brush? You didn’t smell that car. I know how death smells. I lived in an apartment building when I was 21, young and naive, and a man died down the hallway. He had no friends or relatives, so he stayed there decomposing for a week before I called the super and said, “There is a horrible smell in the hallway, coming from 4A. As soon as he came up, he asked me to call the police. They broke the door down finally, and the man had died in the bathroom. That death smell was first sweetly sickening, it grabs you in the back of the throat, then it makes you wretch, your stomach turns. Even when you go outside, the stench stays in your nose and throat. And you smell it the rest of the day. So don’t tell me about some damn “pork”.
mattie – Did you say Christian family??? Nowhere in the Holy Bible have I seen that lying, stealing and adultery are acceptable behaviors. Did she lie? Was Casey the one who made up all the lies to the investigators, or was that her “alter”?
Compare the photo of Caylee alongside the photo of the more recent “sighting.” They have nothing more in common than similar colored hair (not texture) and appear to about the same age.
Let me clear somthng up here a “lurker” is not a good thing..its a creepy weirdo who cases and stalks the blog to be a jurk..
Thanks, sharebear.
ShareBear and Pickles, CIT, you are so right!!!!
val said,in December 5th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Too bad the jail has evry right to read your out goin and in coming mail if they so choose too..
There is a sibling to the mall sightng in the pic.with the same hair do…
kidlosrs
Interesting, the more I read the more I am convinced Casey Anthony’s trial will result in a hung jury.
Welcome to the blog, Audrey, Val and Flash. I think I have seen Val and Flash here before, not quite sure, but you have great blogs today.
I just dont believe that a person who saw Caylee in a mall in Orlando of all places wuld just take a pic and walk away…I wuld be way more pro activ and involvd..I wuld of walkd up and talkd to that child asked her name and told her to take me to her mommy.
pickles — EXCELLENT point about defense’s posturing, making an unexpected turn, away from Zanny story and headlong toward the new story of sedatives, with an excuse of ppd/whatever.
A road, I suggest, that very few will travel. (at least not w/o the Coolaid)
John whut is the result of a hung jury?
Thanks Mollybear, I hop in and out when I think of something 🙂 I check here daily though!
Debra is really Kobie!
Hay John whutta bout that..the letter the defense submittd that said nothing of Zanny but the “IF Caylee is dead then it wus most certainly due to a overdose on sedatives” and then it went on bout a yates and s smith..why wuld her defense team submit that letter…about how them woman didnt get death row..whut wuld prompt her defense team to do that???? Wus it cus of the massive search about to happen???
RAJ, I think you are right! We always have people who do not believe in forensics on the jury. But that’s okay, because even if she does not swing for Caylee, le has enough evidence to keep her in jail until she is too old, fat and tired to party!!!! And I sure hope she is too old to have children when she gets out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yah kno it wuldnt suprise me to get an ant on here cus when joooh google Caylees name bloggernews comes up like 2 times or more
Pickles, CIT, awsome. Couln’t have said it better. For you bashers, of course you are entitiled to your opinions. You are not entitled to belittle our theories and opinions because, hey, free country. We have every right to say and think what we want to and to support our friends who’s opinions are in agreement. But thanks for your lil nuggets of “wisdom”.
John I ask all that cus I have wundred since her death row attorney (?) released that letter…it said nothng bout nanny…alls it talkd bout wus killrs mental state since Caylees birth..then went on to talk bout othr woman who have killd thre childrn…and how killr is to young fur the death penalty….and the hypothetical IF Caylee is dead..I mean why….wuld they do all that..the letter and the IF she is dead…??
C~A, I said another prayer for you after I read your post. I hope this is the one!!!!!! I am also saying a prayer for myself, lol, cause my patience is wearing a little thin with some of these idiots. And Lord knows, there will be some idiots on the jury. If M is convicted, some other loser will probably try to kill her. I can’t think of anyplace in America where she can go and live and be welcome.
Hi, MollyB. Appreciate, and to those on here proclaiming casey’s non-responsibility in the child’s disappearance I will reaffirm that it has been through what the anthony’s have displayed that has given us an entirely negative impression of this woman. It was not rumor claiming her as cold and calculating but rather by her own actions. We have continued to see the lack of appreciation by the anthony’s concerning all the dedicated efforts of authorities and volunteers to locate this child while the mom say comfortably inside her home. Concerning the multiple thefts, these likewise were not based upon rumor – but what?
I personally would like to see justice in this situation and a formal closure. With all the other situations involving children, law enforcement officials should not be indefinitely obligated to work on a case that Casey obviously does not want resolved. Spend taxpayers’ money on other unfortunate children and other actual crime victims.
Mollyb, she can’t come to Canada either. I just won’t let her. LOL.
I believe when the prosecution reveals all the evidence (they claim they have even more than we’ve seen), she will be convicted.
Science does not lie, and I have faith that the prosecution can frame the science in a way that is understandable.
I also have faith that the normal, average person will see the truth, despite the Anthony’s attempts to spin, muddle, and twist.
jmo
It’s obvious we do not have all the evidence, but thanks to Florida Law we have a lot to help reach a conclusion. There is so much incriminating behavior here that it’s hard to keep track of it all. Where is the huge amount of evidence that exonerates M? Other leads that actually check out, believable reasons for the trunk odor and why 2 highly trained dogs were so stupid, and the long line of family members and friends who are coming to her defense. Where are they? And who is the idiot that parades Caylee in huge public areas? One good photographer and it’s all over, buddy.
Pickles, I am not RAJ, but I think I can answer your question about hung jury–I think I posted this before, but here goes: Hung Jury is when one or mor Jurors do not agree, which will result in a mistrial (no conviction) However, the case may be tried again.
Evryone is entitled to there opinion wehtr or not we agree…we are horrible ppl we are evil..we whom love,adore,honor and have and are currently devoted our lives to our childrn,our grandchildrn,our God childrn…we are evil…we who have nevr evn met Caylee but have all branded her into our hearts and grafted her into our families…we are evil and shuld be put to death fur our feelings..our intuition…our paternal bond..to a child we have nevr met but kno deep down…whut her own “mothr” did to her…we who are not blinded by her families attempts at purity..by her attempts at story telling…we are evil…we shuld b ashamed…I am suprised that any one who feels any othr way even grace us with there…presence there upright most clear and honest presence of the tradgedy that has befallen THAT little girl
Whered did John the attorney go..he culd totally answer that question bout why her defense team put out that lettr sayng IF Caylee is dead then it wus and accidnt of od on sedatives and why they talkd bout a yates and s smith..he wuld kno why they did that…they have abandond the nanny story when they put out that lettr…i have always wundrd why they submittd that lettr..
I have another thought about that picture: I think if the child actually looked like Caylee, then there would have been a face front picture, or at least many other pictures.
I think that picture was taken by an Anthony supporter. By constantly submitting these tips, sightings, etc–there is more reasonable doubt, which as I wrote before, is the only way Casey can get out of this.
Retired Attorney John…PAGING Retired Attorney JOhn….Retired Attorney John….
cmon..tell us..why wuld her defense team release that letter??? Have joooh seen it…the one where they say “IF Caylee is dead she died of accidentall od on sedatives” then goes onto talk bout the other woman who have killd ther kids…it evn had specific woman’s names ughh it has been drivng me nutts….I must kno why they sent out that lettr…
sharebear – v good point. Seems that the photographer would have taken several shots from different angles, if she or he truly believed it was Caylee.
If it were me, I would have gotten close enough to get a close-up pic and to hear her voice, since we’ve all heard it on video. I would have also taken pics of who she was with.
gtg for now. bbl
Hung jury is no verdict. The state then decides if they will file a motion with the court for a new trial. Depending on the juror count, say a 9-3 the defense may try and plea down the charge if they feel their client may get a guilty verdict with a new seated jury. Casey Anthony will remain incarcerated through this process.
Sharebear if its not a ant supportr then its kidlosrs…cus its all about money donations…and if the hope is alive in the search and recovery of Caylee then the donation money keeps a rolln in to find her…and the reasonable doubt thing too but I just think kidlosrs is up to alot more than we see…they have been in the pic since a long time…
No no no the letter John why did they release the letter..
I believe they sent out that letter to prevent the death penalty. But notice the use of the word “if”. They are not stating this is such and can’t really be used to convict her.
Not trying to cut in on RAJ, but he may not be available right now and I feel compelled to write.
Oh, God. I am sooo upset. My coworkers are giving me funny looks. So many people can’t be that wrong. There is no one in the family other than her parents that support her. Not her grandparents, uncles, none of them. And they would know her right. We don’t know her but they do and they are not supporting any of them. That alone says so much in my books. Is it any wonder then that we on the blog come to certain conclusions? WE CAN’T ALL BE WRONG!! Nope, not gonna believe we are wrong.
I have wuntd to kno fur so long why they put out that lettr…about IF Caylee died blah blah …and her mental state since Caylees birth..I mean that lettr said alot…it had nothng to do with nanny at all…uhhh
OH, I see he is back (sorry)
I kno the lettr said IF and that it cant b used in court..but the fact is the releasd that letter it wus like a hypothetical confession…and it spoke nothng of the nanny just of killrs mental state since Caylees birth and how she wus to young fur death and othr woman..I kno it cant b used in court..but they cant just take erase sayng all that..they said it…and its there…why did they release that..just to steeer away frum the death penalty…fine then no death..they still said all that …
I just think that evn tho its an attempt to sqwash the death penalty..its speaks alot…its the only plausible story we have heard…and it said nothng bout zanny or the nanny..nothng…
CIT, you can’t take too many pics! I was rear ended by a nice old lady in a truck once, and even though she seemed honest, I photographed the heck out of everything, while holding my head. Sure enough, she lied to the insurance company.
Also it was interesting that G said he had failed as a Dad. He’d say that if he realized he’d raised a killer more than someone who was victimized by an evil babysitter it seems to me.
Cus thats a huge thing to come out and say evn if it is began with IF..sur fine she killd Caylee cus of ppd fine cool then wow she finally fessd up…ok..but its just bizaare that they said all that..and her family has chosen to completely ignore it…like evryone forgot they said it…they just cant erase it…i read it…we all read it
The defense is merely citing cases that didn’t qualify for the death penalty. The Casey Anthony case is not really a strong case. It is circumstantial case, and therefore the door is left ajar ever so slightly for doubt. I believe Caylee Maire is dead, and her mother is guilty of murder however, there are twelve jurors that must agree on a verdict.
G said he had failed as a Dad. He’d say that if he realized he’d raised a killer more than someone who was victimized by an evil babysitter it seems to me.
Its too bad g can only be honest when not around his wife and daughtr….
Okay John thank you sooo much..but is that IF Caylee is dead statement like a hypothetical confession..I mean why wuld they say that…she died of accidentall od on sedatives….did they say that cus thats whut killr told them…
Shutting down and heading home. G’nite and happy blogging. Pickles, PAW, anyone else going on the show Sunday, best wishes. You guys do a great job and are the voice for many of us. Hopefully my home computer gets fixed so I can at least tune in……
lmfao, hehehhehe, I was writing old the yesterday’s blog, omg, I am totally losing it. I have got to leave and do something else for awhile. Oh Dak, do come back!!!!!! You know we all “luv” ya. Now come on back where you belong, cause if I don’t agree with, and of course I don’t, you know this is your other home, and we like you!!!!!!
bbl
To Debra at 3:01 pm –
Sorry, dear, all your psychology-training did not prepare you for a blog full of people who have read every document, statement and report and watched every interview, as well as all the ad hoc media statements and “events” since the beginning of this case. We are not basing our opinion on body language or on whatever NG or her masochistic guests may say.We are also aware of the nature of scientific tests and reports. We factor all that in to all of the rest of the information. And we use our heads with a good dose of common sense.
Sorry, we’re just not as stupid as you would like to think.
Bye MothrEve….get that pc at home fixd…talk to yah soon
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Thank you Mytwocents…bout time joooh showd up…
Mattie, Mattie, Mattie – In a way I wish I was in your shoes. Blissfully ignorant! A much better place to be than reality that’s for sure.
Please listen to Casey’s interview with the police on July 16. They investigated every person, place and “event” that she described and it was ALL lies.
She never reported her daughter missing. There is no babysitter. She had no job. She did not want to keep her baby. She wanted to give it up for adoption but her mother made her keep it. She dragged “that kid” around to parties, had her sleep over when she was sleeping with Ricardo (for one) and generally found her to be a nuisance standing the way of her own “happiness.” Casey is also a thief who has stolen far more than she’s been charged with.
And as far as I know the Ants were not church-going people before this happened. A member of the community is a minister who offered help early on.
And the police followed up on the airport lead when it was reported – not Caylee. And they followed up on other tips – not Caylee. It is not up to the world at large to prove their daughters are not Caylee. It is up to the Ants to prove their daughter told even one speck of truth about any of this.
Please go to any local Orlando news web site and read the documents and listen to the interviews. Then we’ll listen to you.
Attorney please if you culd give us a reason why her defense team wuld say IF Caylee died it wus an accidentall od on sedatives..I have just always wunderd did they say that cus thats whut killr told them???
To be honest it was not a very smart thing to hand over a “what if” letter to the prosecution. I personally have never heard of an attorney throwing hypothetical confessions in the face of the prosecution.
Thanx Pickles, I will try. I wrote the number down. MTC, yeah! More supportive friends. You go girl! OK, going 4 sure now. TTFN.
Attorney.. so then it wus a stoopid thing to do..releasng that lettr..see I always thought they jumpd the gun with that one..I mean thats a big bowl of cheerios that IF lettr…why wuld they do that..to get the death penalty removed…Will that letter be brought to trial?? Can it be brought up???
No prob MothrEve..you shuld call..
Retired Attorney John: Thank you so much for your responses and your thoughts! Do you know if the media has access to this much information before a trial in ALL states or is this mostly due to Florida’s Sunshine Laws?
(The video of jail calls, all the docs etc)
Also I just saw a news report – this is for everyone:
“Casey Anthony’s defense attorney, Jose Baez, wants the legal justification for a possible death sentence in his client’s case.
Since prosecutors have not ruled out the death penalty, Baez thinks it’s only fair to have time to prepare to fight it. It could be an indication the defense realizes a first-degree murder conviction is possible.
Meanwhile, prosecutors have added to their witness list. There are now 144 people on it.”
TTFN MothrEve…
Attorney is a great addition to our blog… I knew that lettr with the IF wus strange…it just didnt sit right…no mention of the nanny and the IF Caylee is dead…that wus just alot to chew on..
Attorney…do you think they submitted that IF letter cus it wus pretty much on the eve of that massive search for Caylee’s remains??
He wunts a justification as to why they wunt to persue the death penalty…
You kno Mytwocents you do have a way with words…thank you!!!
I am away hay hay..
Attorney…thank you again fur your presence and your views on this it is very appreciated!!!
I’m not pretending to be as smart as our Retired Attorney John – this is just my opinion. But maybe BB is fishing around to try to find out exactly what they have and how much they have against M. Kinda late in the game to be doing this kind of thing I would think.
And Retired Attorney John – I know how you feel about it possibly being a very close case – possibly with a hung jury. It really depends what evidence the state provides, how convincing the science is and whether the jury will even be allowed to factor in all the circumstantial.
My theory on why BB hasn’t postponed the trial is that it would be better to have it BEFORE her remains are found. But he may have to ask for a delay for a lot of reasons – one of which no doubt is that he is not prepared.
Attorney said he thinks that Caylee Marie is dead and that killr did it…
Retired Attorney John said,in December 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Mytwocents jooooh are smart!!!
mytwocents said,in December 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm ————- You rock!!!!!! Tell it like it is!!!!!!!!!!! That Was A Great Answer, M2C.
This just in: NO DEATH PENALTY for Casey.
What do you think about this??
The defense would like nothing more than to force the prosecution to show their hand. The letter was bait, and the prosecution didin’t bite.
Anything can be brought up in trial which is relevant to the case. Statements may be overruled which means the statement is withdrawn or the statement may be substantive which means the statement can be made for case notes or to spin the jury into another direction. Before this case enters into a court room the attorneys for both sides sit and review each testimony and each piece of evidence which will be used at trial. Some testimonies will be thrown out, and some physical evidence may also be tossed. If needed a judge will rule on the admissibility of the testimony or evidence as to the value the objected testimony or evidence is needed to prove the guilt or innocence of the defendent.
No Mollybear joooh rock too…:)
HaY Sarahem
Thanks fur that news
I think that maybe there is a deal in the works..
Soo then they culd use that letter of IF in court and it culd get to the jury..ok thats cool but now why wuld they put that letter out there…just the IF Caylee is dead part..due to od on sedativs…why wuld they say that…I mean whut wuld posess them to send that out..it just seems real dumb to me…to even say that
Welp eithr the prosecution dunt have enuff for death or they are whut striking a deal??
Do you think this “no death penalty” announcement is the “big break” that the Anthony’s said was coming?
Could be something as simple as an insanity defense.
I guess that would be “Anthonys” with no apostrophe…oops 🙂
http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/35620174.html
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) The Orange County State Attorney’s Office announced in a news release Friday that “it is not in the best interest of the people of the State of Florida” to pursue the death penalty for Casey
Anthony.
The 22-year-old mother has pleaded not guilty to charges of
first-degree murder, child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and four
counts of lying to investigators about the disappearance of her
daughter. She faces life in prison if convicted.
Caylee Anthony was last seen in June but her mother did not
report her missing until July. The toddler’s body has not been
recovered.
Oh insanity or PPD…a hint as to whut there defense wuld or culd be…showing there cards or whutevr..
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8012166&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
No Death Penalty for Casey Anthony
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) — The state of Florida will not seek the death penalty in the first degree murder case against Casey Anthony.
The State Attorney’s office filed a notice Friday afternoon that they will not seek capital punishment in the case.
In a statement released the State said:
“This afternoon, after consideration of the law and unique facts applicable to the above case, the State filed its notice that it is not in the best interest of the people of the State of Florida to pursue the death penalty as a potential sentence.”
Therefore, the State of Florida will not be seeking the death penalty against defendant Casey Anthony.”
Casey Anthony is the mother of three year old Caylee Anthony who has been missing since June of this year.
Anthony was initially charged with child neglect, but the State filed murder charges against her in October
Attorney why is not in the ppls best interest of the state of FL..to pursue the death penalty…is that cus the state dusnt have enuff..or cus of the whole susan smith, andrea yates scenerio…and cus of her age??
This afternoon, after consideration of the law and unique facts applicable to the above case,
The unique facts…is that her mental state that her defense team refferd to in that IF letter..the unique situstion…
WELCOME Sarahem…its nice to have you..join us..
http://www.myfoxhamptonroads.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8012243&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1
Maybe “unique situation” means “because there is no body”??
This burns me up. She is NOT insane! I’m livid.
I mean “unique facts”.
Well, if she IS guilty, the death penalty would be an easy way out for her anyway, no? If she IS guilty, then now she will have to live with exactly that – GUILT. Maybe someday she will crack, and if she’s dead, no one would never find out where Caylee’s body is.
http://www.sunnewspapers.net/articles/fnnews.aspx?articleID=7493&fnpg=0
Welp thats evrywhre now…boy oh boy lucky her..she is gunna get off on the ol PPD card…aint she a saint…she gets to live in prison and eat junk food and work out and evn go on the internet for write a inmate susan smith had one..a profile on it..lucky killr…the ppd thing workd fur her..ohhh poor widdle baby to young to die fur killng her child…boo hooo. her and andrea yates..and susan smith all so fortunate to live child free even if it is in that meegar barely there xistance in a prison…how fortunate for them…I hope all child killrs are watchng..and learning…
I mean “ever find out” – not “never find out” – boy, I’m a mess today!
Could unique situation mean that the grandparents would lose both? Being a sociopath would not get her off the death penalty; they’d have to come up with a convincing diagnosis and the parents say she’s sane; in fact a “Mother of the Year” candidate which can come back to bite them.
Val, I see your point about the unique facts – but anyone who gets the death penalty leaves someone behind. Do you think they would really factor that in?
Maggot is unique alright…uniquely barbaric and evil!
No death penalty…that’ ok with me…GENERAL POP ALL THE WAY…days of men and nightclubs and slutin around are o-v-e-r!
I don’t know what the reasoning is behind not seeking death…maybe no body no death! The rest of the evidence will certainly lead to life! IT BETTER! OH AND DONT FORGET NO PAROLE
What do you all think about the Wanda Wery claim??
It’s the double loss that would make the grandparents suffer more. M will do fine in jail, IMO, but at least they will have visitation. I think a jury may factor that in, but I didn’t know they could take the death penalty off the table so early. I thought it was a bargaining chip.
Child killers gots it good..they can have a kid, get sik of the kid, kill the kid and not get the death penalty…shooot…she is a lop…woman who kill there childrn are losers…then to claim some crak butt defense and get out of death row..whutevr..thats lame…lame lame…I guess all murders no matter the outcome of a life being taken are viewd so differently…
What was the Wanda Wery claim? Is that new?
They arent seeking death cus susan smith and andrea yates didnt recieve death..that stupid little letter we have been discussing about her stupid butt havng ppd has workd…oh she dunt deserve death due to her mental state and her detachment frum Caylee is not norml..she is to young to die..blah blah blah..I cant believe it workd
Well, it’s old news , but newly made more public. She’s the one who says she saw Caylee at the airport / and on the plane. She said that she asked the little girl her name and she said “Caylee MeAntony” — and whoever the childe was with said “She’s trying to tell you her name is Caylee Marie Anthony”.
child (not childe) lol
LE said they checked the passengers on that plane and it didn’t check out. I think any sighting is bogus at this point.
Do you think Wanda Wery is connected to the family somehow? Why would she say that? I think she made the report in July.
killr will get accustom to jail life..she will achlimade to it just fine..susan smith wus screwng gaurds and now is in a lesbian relationship…killr will do just fine in jail..besides the beatng frum all the woman who have seen Caylees face all day long in the rec room..othr then that she is gunna do fine…it wunt be so bad…she’ll gro to appreciate it. she’ll be grateful that even tho Caylee ruined her life and took away evrythng she loved she is still alive..her fam comes up to see her…she gets comminsary and a tv and music…books and an education…lucky her…to bad Caylee gets none of that..I hope they beat her A~~
sarahem7476 said,in December 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
I may sound crazy but I think its kidlosrs…ppl will go to great lengths in the puruit of money and they will Xploit dang near anyone..I think its a set up
Pooor killr awww her poor butt has sufferd since Caylees birth…she has not been herself…she had no real emotional attachment to that child…she just culdnt gro up and care fur that child like a norml parent wuld do…her detachment frum Caylee is not norml…booo hoooo poor killr…she is the victem of mental issues..and in stabilities..boo hooo we shuld all step bak and undrstnd why she cant b put to death….
Val – I thought the death penalty was at least a bargaining chip too. But back – I think before or around the time Lemon wrote the stupid letter about “if she did it it was an accident” – someone in the prosecutor’s office said they didn’t think they had enough to go for the death penalty (not in those words – but same meaning). I was shocked that the prosecution would say something like that! Especially at that point in time. Makes no sense to me.
I culd just flip a biscuit jah kno….she did somthng very terrible and hanious to that child…and she will not have to confess they are gunna have sum phycologist in the seat xplaining why she did whut she did to Caylee…her mental inability to bond to or love that child…the abnormal detachment frum that child..blah blah blah..whadda crok of pooie
Lucky killr……woman in prison evn get to wear makeup..isnt that nice…lucky her…
Jail video:
I think when Casey says “I forgive her (Zanny)” — she really means she forgives herself.
Life in prison without the possibility of parole is a living death.
Give some thought to Casey Anthony’s wish. “I just want to come home and be with my family” You may not have gotten your wish my good friends, but neither did Casey. She will never see the light of day I assure you. A conviction is much more likely now that the death penalty has be removed.
C said herself in one of the videos that Wanda Weary had called her three or four times in one day. That was back in July. Obviously Wanda wasn’t getting the attention she wanted so badly back then even though LE met with her in person and did investigate. I’m sure C has stayed in touch with her and egged her on.
Because you see LE has to report to Cindy. Not to their LE superiors. Cindy has to be satisfied that they did their job. That’s been C’s problem from the get-go. No one realized that SHE was in charge of the investigation – who was interviewed, where and when!
I mean really! What kidnapper is going to tell her “what she’s trying to say is her name – Caylee Marie Anthony!” Oh, please! Wanda’s had a her hair bleached a few times too often.
And I am sure LE investigated with the airlines for more than that. Early on they were also very interested in Amy and Friends’ trip to PR. So I’m sure those flights were looked into also.
And remember the police went to the house of a family who had a daughter about the same age whose name was Kaylee? THey went real early in the morning (to catch family off-guard) demanded to see kid and birth cert etc. LE really did follow up on tips! Maybe not all the psycho – oops I mean psychic – tips but a lot of others. They can tell when tips are credible.
Oh and why doesn’t someone ask BB where that picture is that he was blathering about that someone in Texas had of M and Zanny and Caylee at the park? Where is that photo, Ants? Or any photo of this nanny that could have made big money working for a nice family instead of working for free it seems for an unemployed slut?
I have to disagree Attorney…eventually she will gro accustom to it..she will get to see the light of day thru the prison yard evryday…If she dusnt escape or kill herself she will gro accustom to it…she’ll learn to appreciate the fact that at least she has that xistance…..I watchd a sho last nite on court tv bout woman inmates..susan smith was mentioned and all sorts of othr woman…it is a life of its own in those places..yes I never wunt to be sent to one..but it is a world of its own..and to them woman who are there fur a long time..they eventually have grown use to that life…She is soo self centerd that in good time she will be grateful she is still alive…oh ya…itll be no time b4 ppl are beatng down the prison doors to talk to her…Caylee is a household name…she will have $$ on her books…eventually it will become her and she it…
Retired Attorney John: I agree with you on both points.
I do believe that life with no parole is a living death. And I am sure that it is 100 times harder for a jury to convict for the death penalty.
I think our emotions run high sometimes. It’s so difficult to think of that child never seeing three candles on a cake not to mention 13 or 30 that we begrudge all the extra years her mother had and will have. But you’re right. Those years won’t be fun.
As dismal as the tiny cell and confinement appears, it’s still better than death to a 23 yr. old. Will she have access to a computer? That will define how miserable she is.
Pickles – prison rules vary from one to another I think. Perhaps make-up is allowed wherever M is or will be. I visited one in another state – just for part of a day for my work thank God – and I was not allowed to carry a lipstick IN with me! Scary place. I was afraid of the guards – a bunch of no nonsense people I can tell you – and I wasn’t even “staying” so to speak! LOL!
I think muh gurl got muh sik…ughhh…
But whutevr..Im sur by now all of the FL..dept of corrections inmate roster has seen Caylees face more than once on the tv in the rec area…so they all have seen that qute bebe and her evil mothrs face….they all kno Caylee and are full aware of whut killr looks like…Im sur when she arrives the welcome wagon will b there to sho her the ropes…
Makeup is contraband…its not allowd but the inmates get it..its a world of its own..they get drugs all sorts of stuff frum the outside…its insane the under world that it is…
WOW, I’m am in such “AH” with everything I’ve read. It took me about 2 hours to read the blog today.
I dont kno if they have access to the net like we do but they have pen pal programs wher you can write to and meet prisoners…evn fur the chance of lov susan smith wus had a profile and she had a sweet pic of her in her prison greys crowchd down smiling her profile said she is loving and caring and sum crap her ill look it up!!!
Howdy PAW69 sapponin…??? 2hrs yikes…
NO death fur the skank…
Hiya Bumpy, yeah. And most have already said what I was going to say, especially you lol.
Bumpy, She won’t see the outside world though. I don’t think she’ll walk, I really don’t.
I kno…I kno…its just not fair to any one who has been murdered or any one who has been put to death for a murder..who are we to pick and choose who lives and dies for the crime of murder…equal treatment..fur all why is one better than the othr…thats whut my issue is with it…Caylee deservd more than killr deserves to live…
Hi ladies (and gentlemen) if there are any. well no death penalty. That makes me nervous thinking that the da does not have MUCH more that will come out in trial. I just hope she gets her ass kicked in GP
I wonder if Lemon will try to get out of having to be her lawyer now that it’s not a death penalty case? That’s his specialty so I’d think he’d probably like to move on to another real death penalty case.
The DA has plenty…there letter of whutevr that they submittd pointng out her abnormal mental state since Caylees birth and the fact that susan smith and andrea yates didnt get death that surely somone as young as killr shuldnt get death also…and that she had mental probs since Caylees birth…and that her lack of concern for Caylee is abnorml that wus it..lack of concern I think…that letter workd…
ITs not in the best interest for the state of FL..to seek the death penalty..wich means it wuld look bad fur FL.to put a young woman to death cus she killd her child due to PPD or whutevr clinical crudd the defense is using…she got her way…she won…she gets to live and Caylee is gone…
http://www.bettybowers.com/susan.html
THAT IS SUSAN SMITHS WRITE A PRISONER PROFILE..aint it sweet…she is diluded too child killr coolaid
This is her self description of herself…WOW…
am 31 years old. My birthday is September 26. I am looking to meet new people and, hopefully, become friends. During my spare time, I enjoy reading, working puzzles, and writing. I love rainbows, Mickey Mouse, the beach, the mountains, and waterfalls. My favorite color is navy blue and my favorite flower is the daisy. I am a Christian and I enjoy attending church. I consider myself to be sensitive, caring, and kind-hearted. I´m currently serving a life sentence on the charge of murder. I have grown and matured a lot since my incarceration, but I will always hurt for the pain I´ve caused so many, especially my children. I hope to receive letters from those who are not judgmental and who are sincere. I look forward to hearing from new people and, hopefully, finding new friends. May God bless each one of you
m2c~ i never thought about them forgetting fathers day, wow that says alot, not even a simple card i immagine!
maggot’s self description….especially my children????
how many kids are missing?
anna…i felt sorry for g for no fathers day, that’ pretty sad!
I feel if the State had Caylee’s body, then the DP would still stand.
This is a very tough case for everyone. There are things we feel are unfair.
We will have to see what happens from here.
But I honestly don’t think she’ll she the outside world ever again.
BTW, Bumpy, You’ve got mail.
bumpy…did I miss something…who’s self description is this, I thought it was maggots?
mattie@2:00 if they are so loving and caring why was c going to a counsler for help with m? why was she thinking of getting custody of caylee??? why did m steal all that money from family, g/parents, friends???? and why didnt she report her right away???? now maybe if thoes things wernt in play then id maybee think they were a loving family, oh yea why did m state that g and possibly her own bro touched her innapropriate???? thats a loving sis for you so very caring, wish i had one just like her!!!!
pickles~ her investigation also took her to target to buy laungere, maybee caylee was in one of thoes racks, or possibly in the beer isle never know nowadays!!! 🙂
no death penalty for casey, read the latest news on google
and george has some new tips, it is getting real close to bringing little caylee home.
there is no body cause she was never killed, and padilla is a circus clown who wants to take all the media attention, him and nancy grace, they are both big con artist that are making big bucks off of this story
they love the sensationilsm, they keep the ball rolling with negative concocted stories that are not even half truths!
how pathetic! watching nancy grace is like picking up the enquire or globe! BOMBSHELL!!
cheap shots!
pickles~ whos discription is that????
I’m not finding anything on George having new tips. Is there a link please?
mattie@6:02 so why is c gonna write a book, for money heck caylee is not found yet dead or alive and this grieving person has copyrightedher name, and a saying and is thinking of wrighting a book tell me who is trying to make money???? plus all this x the ants have not searched or pleaded with the public once for the return of caylee!
also mattie c&g have new bombshells every week! i havent seen one yet that was productive, what about a meet and greet well that was good just what i would do in my x of grief hold a meet and greet, also the press confrences are they stars??? im waiting for c&g to come out with a pen to sighn autographs!!!!
anna…I asked that too!
hi c~a thought i was alone here ::)
Hi anna honey! I’m trying to read and figure Mattie out…and deal with moving and pros and cons of such…and blah blah…and kids..bedtime…LOL
No your not alone my a.m friend!
some x people make no sence i would love caylee to come home be the best thing for me i just dont think thats happining, when you listen to interviews from the beginning, and sort out the lies and changing stories it doesnt seem hopfull, if she had reported her right away and had a valad phone # for even one person or one other person heard her talking to zanni, or gone with to drop caylee off it might be dif, ive brought people with when dropping my child at day care, had to call because i was running late, but there is nothing, and no one to validate anything!
mattie, how do you explain the trunk and the stench…and the hair with the death band…how can you say she is not dead? Maybe you support killer on HER innocence but baby is dead! Ya don’t need a body to prove decomposition and death smell…IMO…can you enlighten me on the reasoning behind your thoughts on where the baby is if she is not dead?
PICKLES!!!!! CALLING PICKLES!!!!! BUMPLES ARE YOU THERE!!!! 🙂
my g/d called wanting to know why i havent made school lunch??? boy im in trouble!
e1 is questioning why the people havent come forward about the girl in pic, some young parents and other people dont follow news, they might not even know my daughter is like that no newspapers tv news nothing, that could be why!
Hi, PAW69 – I posted that about G saying there was going to be a big announcement soon. I got it from a local Orlando news org web site. I have the worst time going back to find those things. It was earlier this week.
Since the only announcement so far has been that the state has taken the death penalty off the table maybe that was it (Not! of course!)
But like every other time the ants have announced an upcoming announcement – nada, nothing. I’ll try to find it for you though.
c~a how is it driving that bus, my daughters friend said her bus slid in snow wouldnt stop, must be scary with all the kids, you do have snow where your at right??? in canada??? yes no???
M2C ah ok, ty.
Pickles, whose description was that? Susan Smith?
Gave me the utter hair standing straight up CREEPS!
“I am a Christian. . . I consider myself to be sensitive, caring, and kind-hearted. . .
I have grown and matured a lot since my incarceration, but I will always hurt…”
“I…I…I…I…I…I…I”
YOU ARE A SINNER of the worst sort! YOU KILLED YOUR CHILDREN! I am just so sorry you “hurt!” Well, you have a new “friend” now. Her name is Casey Anthony. And she’s just as “sorry” a piece of evil unrepentant doo-doo as you are.
mattie – Do your homework, dear. “Education” is the key! And if by chance you are that Messy Bart (or a cohort) take it somewhere else please.
anna…oh yes we got plenty of snow here in canada..last year in total from December to say end of April…14 feet of in total…that alot of dang shovelling…
The only reason the kids would ever be scared is driver error…you HAVE to drive according to road conditions. It’s not always easy being 10 tons of steel fully loaded…you just gotta be smart and have good driving skills.
I have been driving for 7 years and have NEVER scrared my kids on the bus once. We take defence driving courses etc..but it is ALL COMMON SENSE…IMO
In a way I’m kind of glad they’re not going for the death penalty. It makes a case so much harder to win because all you need is one limp noodle on the jury who lied about being willing to vote for it or who finds his or herself wanting the crime to have been committed before their eyes before they’ll vote that way, you know?
“No body” cases are very hard to begin with. Add in the death penalty and it’s really extra hard. I want her convicted for what she did. I sure don’t want her to walk. So if the chances of a conviction go up without the death penalty that’s fine with me.
always first snow pep think they can drive like usual more accedents in the first days of snow, then it tapers off, busses are very heavy and no seat belts, did you ever see that bus crash on tv showed kids flying all over??? will say xtra prayer to keep you safe!
Theory of today: I am thinking that M killed Caylee by accident. This is what the defense should use, the whole truth that people will understand. 😛 The searches were a plot to kill her parents, but the blowup interrupted her plan and she left with Caylee, who was sedated as usual. The chloroform she had stashed in the trunk for the murder leaked with Caylee in there and she died. She had nothing to gain by murdering Caylee, she could have left her in the custody of her parents, but she was planning to get that house, and any life insurance policies of course.
i hope the jury is sensable weigh all facts it would be best with a body maybee i dont want her to walk on this either its x she paid for all shes done and we will never know exacally what happened, only hope caylee didnt suffer!
val i didnt think that far very possible she had plans for the house, maybee why household wepons were a search, i think she was mad after the fight on 15 and took it out on caylee, but also believe she was drugging her for a while and placing her in the trunk, kinda a see mom and dad i dont need you to babysit ive got my own, juust crazy!
That’s why she told Amy that her parents were going to sign the house over to her, remember?
anna….no I didn’t see it prob. horrifying to watch…I belive even without seatbelts buses are safe if you have a driver that is safe. Using caution every second coupled with driving skills will always prevent most accidents that would actually kill! Buses are big and can take alot without too much damage..but if ya have a careless driver and bad driving conditions can be a disaster at every turn!
You are so sweet to keep me in your prayers…Prayers of health and happiness to you and your family as well!
PAW69 – I found it! Can’t believe it. It was reported on Dec 2 on wesh.com
I’m posting it all here but will add the address (hope it comes thru). It’s just G with the same old same old we’ve heard before. Another part of the report – not included here – states that they are planning a Christmas Day vigil. Well, naturally. UGH!
wesh.com/news/18188923/detail.html
“Caylee’s grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said a big development in the case is on the way.
George Anthony wouldn’t elaborate much further, but said a team of private investigators are working on a new lead that could lead to the discovery of the girl.
“There is just a lot of positive things that are still happening. A lot more people are coming forward because they can see some progress of bringing Caylee home and it’s pretty awesome stuff. I can’t be too specific with you but we believe we’re close,” he said.
they make me sick with their stupid denial…there is HOPE and there is DENIAL in covering for a murdering maggott…
we are close….make me puke!
Positive things have been happening for G for months and months; I can see g say, 30 yrs from now babbling the same thing.
M2C, This is also why I had asked for these so-called new developments.
mattie said,
in December 5th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
“no death penalty for casey, read the latest news on google
and george has some new tips, it is getting real close to bringing little caylee home. there is no body cause she was never killed, and padilla is a circus clown who wants to take all the media attention, him and nancy grace, they are both big con artist that are making big bucks off of this story
they love the sensationilsm, they keep the ball rolling with negative concocted stories that are not even half truths!
how pathetic! watching nancy grace is like picking up the enquire or globe! BOMBSHELL!!
cheap shots!”
So I was kinda confused why I couldn’t find anything. LOL. I thought I missed something at first.
Why haven’t the parents of this poor, wrongly accused innocent loving devoted mother GONE TO SEE HER????
Can’t keep a straight face, that’s why. They’ll give themselves away. Or M will.
val…how about C…she be drinking that kacey koolaid for eternity…
HI MTC….I said that too….if their daughter was innocent they would be there just like they did in the beginning…it’s all a show now…all about doubt and PR!
they know the truth now and can’t bring themselves to ask the “fake” questions
Agreed, both brains are fried by Casey Koolaid! They will sit in their rockers one day saying, “Any day now, more new sightings….”
OHhh is Mattie bak…welp hello how are you…you shuld try to respond to posts in a more timely manner so that we dunt feel like joooh are ignoring us..
Sorry fur my abrupt departure I had to go get that boy frum school
And if g has this crak investigation team that is hot on Caylees trail how come she isnt home…Andy Dufraine if you please..???
I don’t think so Bumpy, It was about an hour ago. That post just confused me is all. That there was new developments from the Ants (rolls eyes).
They havnt gone to see her cus she killd there grandchild…
Mattie you nevr did respond to my question about how you felt about georges fbi interrogation…about him sayng that he knows Caylees dna is in the trunk….
But M2C cleared it up for me, so it’s all good now lol.
Welp thank God..cus to b honest witchah Mattie is like way out ther…its the same spew we have heard crazy c rant since day one..
bump…what you mean mattie is back…..I don’t see her and still waiting for response too…oh poop..another supporter who can’t respond with any facts to back up their posts! Oh, I am seeing a pattern here…
THEY POP IN AND POOP ON THE PAGE AND RUN!!!LIKE DIARHEA…YUP!
Hay that boy is goin on the pc…im here but limitd..brb
Why don’t they directly ask g what happened to those people watching the kidnappers? Five months of following someone seems kind of ridiculous, and expensive. What are they doing all day?
I’ll take some pepto for matties post!…aaaahh!
I wish people would explain why they feel the way they do about Caylee being alive so that we can understand their thinking and maybe have some insight on it as well. Because I’m sorry but “sightings” mean nothing to me. It just proves that A LOT of little girls have similarities at that age. The Mall pic that shows 2 girls, one a little older than the other also shows that so many girls look alike. That girl’s parents probably did go to LE and also asked not to be placed in this circus. IF there was any truth about the little girl being Caylee, we’d already know by now.
How does M explain the trunk after they prove there is no squirrel evidence? I would keep her busy going down her list of mammals since the defense refuses to believe it’s human. No decomposition traces found of anything according to one lab? Then the trunk has a demonic entity.
g&c were gonna release this info at ‘press conf’ while ago before nejame quit, so if there is really stuff why do they wait and why do these lawyers quit??? they do take a oath they prob dont want to go against that its thier job, life, unlike the ants who will do say anything to cause REASONABLE DOUBT!!!!
no one has ever asked m why she needed a sitter, and what she was doing all that x, maybee to scared for the answer??? they will ask that in court i hope!!
mattie didnt respond to 6:25 post either, prob drinking more of casey koolaide before comming back, how convienant!!!
IF for some odd reason Caylee is alive, Casey would still have to answer for the decomp in the backyard and in the trunk of “HER” car. And IF Caylee is found alive, which Ant was dead in the trunk of “HER” car? Remember, All of this is IMO!
MATTIE or should we say SINDIEE where are your answers????
Those must be the questions being saved for the trial. She was busy doing something for two years, or she left in the morning and promptly returned home after the parents left. She talked to friends and played on the computer all day, while Caylee slept.
sorry guys shouldnt have done that wont do it again, dont want to fight w/anyone just get frustrated, again sorry!
Also, the lady who claims Caylee was on the plane obviously doesn’t realize they have cams all over the airports. They blow those videos up so they can see closely. They compare Caylee’s pic to these sightings. And NO kidnapper is going to freely say Caylee’s full name. Someone must be paying this lady to lie. IMO.
Pickles…
way, way back in the blog where you were repeating what m said..
“all I want to be is with my baby”(something like that).. well I agree, she should be with ‘her baby… dead… and letting some wild animal tear her apart…. eye for an eye…
during the last month she also called and had c leave the house for some reason then snunk in and got herself clothes, etc, BUT nothing for caylee, it is all said in interview with britny(i believe) c was concerned because m took not a thing for caylee!
and how is it no one else on the plain reported seing caylee??? and a kidnaper isnt going to offer a childs name, or take her out in the middle of the day, there had to be personell on plain they would have noticed, pretty basic stuff im sure le allready checked!
this whole thing is become a joke, who is the one hurt the most?? caylee not one plead for her return, all they are doing is playing along with m so she can be once again center of attention, know how kids act out when they need attention, thats what shes doing only on a larger scale, this way e1 will have to come and ask for info, they are given a tiny bit to figure out and then back for more, keeps her in the center of fam attention, because she hold the key to caylees wherabouts!
Also, if I remember correctly, You have to show a birth certificate for a child 2 yrs and younger before you can even go on a plane with them.
paw~ exacally!!!!
knarchs (?).. sorry if I got your name mixed up..
What you said definately rocks.. and so very, very true..
this world is a cruel place, with cruel people in it. When your own mother kils you because she thinks you are becoming an inconvience.
It is just sad.. Caylee is one of many children mistreated,abused,killed everyday by their so called ‘caregivers’. It makes me sick..
Also, as controlling as Cindy is, She would have met this “Zanny”. Also if she had “Zanny’s” address in her address book, why didn’t she go to her house during the 30 days that Casey said that Caylee was with “Zanny”?
and then caregiver who seeks attention and aproval from parents, continues to lie and parents playing the game continue, its all very sick and twisted, did you guys hear c tell m they forgave her for whatever she said about them??? what a bunch of bs!
I have to wonder how George and Lee feel now that Casey has accused them of molesting her. Is George still going to support Casey in the eye of the public? How does Cindy feel now that Casey has accused George of molesting her? That’s not something that can be taken lightly.
That statement now marks both George and Lee as molesters in the public eye IF the public wants to now believe Casey.
you guys hear the part about bagels and eggs, m likes them too they are both little tiny persons omg makes me sick!!!!!
g&c part 1 they forgive her for what she might have said!!! hmmm….
she even acts like shes all that to jail staff asking them to turn down the phone!!!
notice she never says tx like shes center of e1 attention again!
Matie…
If Caylee is indeed alive.. whose dead body with Caylee’s DNA was in M’s car.. ohhh… maybe she had an identical twin!!!!LMAO
Sorry, you are intitled to your opinion, but I don’t think you realize that there was decomposition in the trunk.. human.. caylee’s hair.. and the biggest thing is “where is Caylee Marie Anthony’?????
jmo.. she is dead and m did it..
why would lee have to point out getting caylee home would be the priority???
Key question that will puzzle the jurors when they are deliberating; Why didn’t Casey Anthony retrieve her car from the Amscot parking lot?
I would hammer that question into the minds of the jurors during my closing argument.
Retired Attorney John: Maybe the state could say she hoped it would be stolen. She left her purse in it. Also, what would she have done with it? It needed to be ditched somehow. Also maybe she didn’t expect it to be towed so soon.
(unless there is a sign in the parking lot that says cars will be towed if left more than x days or something).
RAJ, I have possible answers.
Retired Attorney John said,
in December 5th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Key question that will puzzle the jurors when they are deliberating; Why didn’t Casey Anthony retrieve her car from the Amscot parking lot?
I would hammer that question into the minds of the jurors during my closing argument.
She was partying too much and forgot about it?
She wanted to be caught in some form?
She was in the process of retrieving it but the tow company beat her to it?
RAJ: good question.
m takes pleasure in being like c and pretending shes the ‘mom’ of her group and that c is a ‘spitfire’ sounds like shes expecting c to go to ant length wich obviously she has! hmm…
I am so sad that they took the death penalty away so soon. I don’t support the DP- it costs to much in appeals, it allows murderers to sit in protected custody, and now it is painless. It also does nothing to deter murder as a crime. Also, I do believe in the ten commandments and one of them is thou shalt not kill—so no revenge.
I would have hoped that the threat of a death penalty would have been used all the way up till trial to make M sweat, and possibly give her motivation to bargain with info on caylee.
I actually screamed at my monitor when during the jail visit the Maggot said the reward = 1/2 her bail!! She lies so much even cindy has to watch her eyes like a hawk. The body language of mother and daughter speaks volumes.
Her pattern shows otherwise. Why this particular time did she not refill her gas tank.
rta~ she has never answered that question! hoped someone would steal it thier prints would be inside also decomposing boby, perfect alibi, once someoneelses prints inside the car all over xcept no one stole it, a little work of our lord there id say!
Heyo evryone…how goes it..nope C~A I wus wrong Mattie wus not bak…
The jurors will also wonder why that question was never answered.
Hay Anna !!! 🙂
Hey ill take a shot in the dark why she nevr went to retrieve the car frum Amscot parking lot…hmm it smelld like a dead person wus residing in it…
Thats muh final answer..
ocean, i also believe in ten comandments, also believe that the way the worl is going all heck will break out they have taken stuff out of schools, pledgealegince, cant refer to the lord, all these things are gone and look whats hapining becoming a free for all no respect, no kindness no stern beliefs that kept our children stromg and on the right path, we still pray at home and talk about stuff im not a perfect parent but i want my child to realize what could and will happen if ahe strays off her path, im meaning to say stuff i cant put in words sorry,
hi pickle wickles:)
Its uhhh I have had alot of cool off time since the news earlier….she left that car there in that lot in hopes of it gettng jackd…she wus countng on sum crak head to see the purse and the keys and be sooo high that the smell wuld go un noticed…but unfortunatly fur her there wus no crak head withn a 20 mile range dumb enuff to evn go near that car with a 10 foot pipe..no mattr how desperate a person wus no one took the bait…not evn the purse….no one touchd it..it smells like death…
Anthony Lazzaro’s testimony about Casey’s car will be heard by the jurors. Casey told Anthony her father was taking the car to the dealership to be repaired. It is a key question that the jurors will ponder over, and over. Why did she lie?
Xcuse me Attorney…culd they bring the car in as evidnce like let the jury actually go near it to smell it…I mean if it dus still smell like evryone says it does???
raj~ ther are lots of unanswred questions, what was she doing all the x supposidly needed sitter, in your day of cases did you ever come across sutch a family willing to go to any lengths, lying and purgering themselfs, and also what is you take on situation?? you dont have to answer if you dont want no offence will be taken just wondering your thought on truth or guilty?
meant, innocent or guilty!!!
RAJ, I have a question for you.
At this point, with the murder trial going first then the other charges after that, if she’s convicted of the murder charge and sentenced, She will not only have a record, but a murder record, How does this hurt her with the other charges? And how will this go now that there is no DP, but basically a LS? And if the Zenaida case goes through and she is found guilty of that as well, Putting all cases out there, what is she looking at, at this point?
I hope I have asked my questions in an understandable way. LOL. I know what I’m trying to ask, but I don’t know if I worded it right.
We definetly enjoy havng you here Attorney..it is interestng…and our crazy questions get answerd.. 🙂
It is very possible the prosecution could ask for a field trip. Scott Peterson’s boat was brought into his trial for the jurors to inspect.
Thanks aprreciate that.
I still hope that they can indeed bring the physicall car in as evidnce fur the jury to be close enuff to to smell it.
That lady frum the news station said in Sept or OCt that it still smelld of death and she wus outside of the storage garage its stored in at the Sheriffs Dept..
raj~ do you think with what you have heard the state has a good case jyo?
WOW…a field trip to smell that car…oooohh….
they shoud have a fiels trip for the car
so what happened to our friend mattie??? maybe we had more info than her??? what the heck!!!
Yah thats whut Attorney said..that they culd take a field trip to the car…like in the s peterson case they went to the boat…to inspect it…
They culd take the jury to the car fur a inspection…
wouldnt that be awesum…oh mang..
I understand your questions. All other charges that will be brought against Casey Anthony by the State of Florida will proceed. The sentences will run concurrently.
Shhh dunt call Mattie bak in here…please….just let it be…shhh
Concurrently….aww poor little lyng thieving murderer….so sad fur hur…
My son is all mom you shuld spell better you always make me spell my words right… 😛 hes so qute…
I told him momma spells just fine…the net dunt count!
RAJ, Thank you.
So at this point, can we safely say that Casey will never see the outside world again?
Also with the DP off the table, Are they going to try to plea bargain with Casey, Like say , we will give you this deal IF you take us to Caylee’s body ,,, ???
My boy is hopping back on here..so I will return when he is finished on his lego mission…
😛
Maybe she did go back for the car but it was gone. I don’t think tow companies leave little notes that say “Hi! We took your car!” She may never have even thought that it was towed. And thought it was stolen. So next question. Why did she not report it stolen?
And hopefully G will have the gumption to say that it wasn’t true that he was going to pick up the car.
rtj~ do you think guilty??
ment raj~ do you think guilty or other circumstances??
Hello??? Am I all alone?????
C-A you cracked me up about popping in and pooping and leaving!!!
Makes me think of a giant vulture pooping on our heads.. yuk!!!
Mattie, aka Cindy.. where did YOU go?? Brushing up on your drinking??some Casy Koolaid perhaps.. Maybe you are not just reading what all the rest of us have read a million years ago…
I do agree with John-attorney, now that the DP is off the tables, the jurers(spell that one) won’t feel so bad when they convict her for murder.. JMO
Mattie’s last post sure did sound like Cindy talking. That may be why there are no answers to the questions about George.
look what happens to pep who believe they are above the law OJ 6-15 wow thought it couldnt be done huh??
I am confident that Casey Anthony’s hands will never touch the hand of any innocent child, again.
Jose Baez will never agree to a plea deal on behalf of his client.
anna, karma works in mysterious ways.
mattie is home making a HUGE jug of casey -kool aide for e1, but no ones thirsty!
raj~ do you think baiz is out for 15 min of fame and gonna let this go on as long as possible??
RAJ, I appreciate your answers in helping us understand what takes place in the court world. Especially in a case like this. Thank you so much.
raj~ i also appriciate answers if any you dont feel comfortable answering just say so will understand~ thanks again~ anna
what you guys think of c laying head on g shoulder??? there are coments about that, myself i would have thought nothing if not been sugested what about you all??
does anyone know if they can re-apply the death penalty option if they somehow find caylee???
RAJ—thanks for all your input!
RAJ, I also like when you ask us certain questions, like about her not going back to the car. It keeps us on our toes, and it’s like we are the jury as well. How would a jury answer these questions, you really get a feel for where we would stand on such questions. I like that.
Mr. Baez is a fine attorney however, he is not a smart attorney. We all know in the end Mr. Baez will put a criminal behind bars. A book deal may increase his income depending on who likes to read fiction.
im eating chips&beer trying to drink more beer than chips but want CHEESE with chips slightly melted on chips yum….
anna, I sort of agree with the analysis about jealousy— the body language and eye movements were quite telling IMO.
well if he put the criminal behind bars thats fine with me tx!
raj~ what do you think of padilla???
Anna, She looks real tired and looks like she may have some physical pain, I just saw it as she wanted to just lay back for a bit. I didn’t see anything else in it at all. Just tired and maybe some back pain.
raj~ all the talk of the hair in the trunk, does it sound like it could be caylee’s or just a wild conclusion?? did you read reports??? does it sound like its her?? or are they reaching??? please answer at best of your ability~ thank you anna
Mr Padilla started out on the wrong foot with me, and I still have questions about his motives.
paw~ see when the news says they read more into it you can, not for a min i believe the lies but there is so much out there and we are only given so much, seems like a game between le and the ants they say something, and le says another tapes are released as x looks best for whoever, know what i mean???
How long has Lee been living in his own place? Does anyone know?
not the best with words i now what i mean but cant express< sorry!
i am not a controlling g/p but i always have a # for the kids i always check on them, with all the wierdos in the world yes i do, if your fine ok if not well… if my daughter couldnt produce a # for where they are well… but never had to deal with that if like m wed have a dif relashionship and for sure my g/c would be protected by me, what it c&g prob???
Anna, That’s the part when I look at the dates of the videos, as well as what we knew at the time. Like I said, I only see her as being tired and maybe in pain and just wanted to lay back for a few moments. She has nothing to be jealous of with Casey and George. I say this due to George and Casey not having the best of relationship as it was. So he called her beautiful, That is his daughter and at that point, they were asking questions in order to find Caylee. They probably went in there with the thought of, “if they are nice to her then she may open up to them”. That’s just my opinion.
raj~ but of e1 he is still searching maybee the same motives as biaz but just more public. why would biaz represent a indejent person??? for fame, yes!
If Lee had his own place way before Caylee was missing, then what padilla just said, made no sense what so ever. Lee wouldn’t have to go to his parents house to look up stuff about sex. He could do that in his own home.
The hair sample is a difficult subject to discuss. I really don’t think we have all the information pertaining to this evidence to say it is a definite match to Caylee Marie. I have read the F.B.I. findings and they do lean towards the hair being that of Caylee Maire’s.
His girlfriend might find out and not be happy.
Also, I guess he travels a lot with athletes. The searches were for various places in the U.S.
I think that was probably Lee.
paw~ maybee there is so many faces of these people you never know maybee ill look againtomorrow and see what i think then, i have been in a fam with abuse so i am very suspicious at everything, somx i have to sit back and take 2 look.
But you also have Casey who can’t keep her cooter in her pants. I think it was Casey looking for an escort job. She was leading a double life.
I sure wouldn’t put it past her.
raj~ what about c not giving the only brush of caylees, why would she not give the onlt brush??? smells like guilt. or innnocent mistesk???
She hasn’t had a legitimate job for two years.
I thought that too Paw, but then I heard about Lee’s job and the athlete thing. They are always looking for ladies to entertain them when they are away. It could be either, or who knows, maybe even both. Maybe Casey hooked him up.
If the 2 cell phones is true, of course she ditched the 2nd cell phone, it would show she’s an escort. (double life)
What do you all think about George telling casey he wishes he had been a better father/grandfather? That just seems so odd to me. Its like he was saying if I were had been a better parent maybe you wouldn’t have been tweaked enough to kill your child…Very stange to me..anyone else?
Either way I don’t know why it’s relavent to the case, unless that’s when she sedated Caylee, is when she was doing an escort. Until I find out what she was doing all day, I don’t know what else it could be. There was no nanny and she told her friends either the nanny or grandparents had Caylee, it’s obvious that neither stories are even true.
My brain hurts lol.
Hiya flippen,
Well, every family has their problems. When something like this happens to a family, The parents then feel like they didn’t do a good enough job in raising their kids, no matter how good of a job you did or not, you always feel like your the blame of how your kids turn out when they become adults and end up in a bad situation.
George didn’t have the best of a relationship with Casey and Cindy always cleaned up after Casey’s messes, it’s a recipe for disaster. BUT!, Casey IS 22 yrs old and knows right from wrong.
BBIAB , gotta do some stuff
the whole ant fam is lying, from yhe beginning m lied then c lied they all are liars and think they are abive the law, i hope if it is proven m did something she is prosicuted ti the full extent and more for caylee! gotta go be back in am ~ god bless all the children of the worl keep them safe and in your arms lord we have faith and believe~ amen!
RAJ – if you don’t mind the initials! Maybe we should nickname you Raja – like East Indian Royalty! You certainly are like royalty here!
🙂
You said: “Jose Baez will never agree to a plea deal on behalf of his client.”
Do you believe that because Jose thinks he can get her acquitted?
PAW69 @ 7:03 pm I understand now why you were asking. It’s okay. Mattie has just come out of a coma and has just started to read bits and pieces of the case. Obviously still some trauma to the head! (No offense, Mattie, or Messy Bart.)
Why won’t you either answer our perfectly reasonable questions or go read up on the case? You can’t google for tiny bits of misinformation and think you have any kind of legitimate point of view. Or at least you shouldn’t.
We all know in the end Mr. Baez will put a criminal behind bars
C&G’s brains are SO twisted that they actually think that “after” this they are going to work? volunteer? with missing children’s organizations. No respectable missing children’s organization would get within 10 miles of them (like even NOW!) They are pariahs to legitimate organizations. Maybe they envision careers with KidLosers! That’s another joke. As soon as this is “over” Kidlosers will kick them to the curb faster than they can blink!
No, I do not think Mr. Baez feels he can get an aquittal for Ms. Anthony. Ms. Anthony will never see Mr, Baez after this trial. I am sure another attorney from the Baez law firm will represent the other charges against Ms. Anthony. Mr. Baez will be pimping himself out from Geraldo to Dateline.
I have no respect for an attorney who does not represent his client’s best interest. Mr. Baez danced the ego waltz with Ms. Anthony’s life. Ms. Anthony requested to meet with the authorities not once, but twice. Had this meeting taken place between Ms. Anthony and the authorities, Caylee Marie might have been laid to rest with dignity.
I still like whut Attorney said ::
We all know in the end Mr. Baez will put a criminal behind bars
Thats whut I have been sayng…he will see to it that the criminal (killr) is put in prison..that he isnt there to set her free..
Attorney …so it is bb keepng her frum confessng..so he is just out for the noteriety in the criminal world..out to make a name for himself…so that othr criminals will seek his services…when they are in need of him??
Its sooo cold in ORegon..I culd nevr survive in Michigan and those places where it is freezing..oooh cold…its shivering here…burrrr chilly as my daughtr wuld say…Im chilly momma!!!
I just wanted to thank all new bloggers for joining in the last couple days, coming out of the woodwork in droves. Makes for interesting reading and contemplating.
Yes all the wall flowers…coming out to join us…you are all appreciated…thank you…!!!!
If Ms. Anthony confesses he got his 15 minutes. If Ms. Anthony goes forward with a trial he gains exposure. Exposure equals clients and clients equal financial gain.
RAJ @ 10:33 That’s what I thought – what I was afraid of. He might have been able to get a pretty good deal, too, especially if M could say it was an accident (because either it was or she was sure there wouldn’t be enough remains left to prove how she died). Maybe I’m off base with that but that’s what I was thinking at the time. Now he’s really playing with fire but heck, it’s not his life behind bars, right?
You are right.
Ahhhh so if she confesses he gets his small spotlight..but if it goes to trial on his advice…knowing the outcome…her punishment of life behind bars then…he can say “Hey look at my resume..I got a child killr life in prison..I kept her frum death row…” is that it???
Exactly, Pickels
Pickles at 10:34 – You said, “Thats whut I have been sayng…he will see to it that the criminal (killr) is put in prison..that he isnt there to set her free..”
Actually I think BB’s job is to provide the best defense possible and one as RAJ said that is in her best interest. In some cases that would mean getting her off scot free – if he can. It is not his job “to see to it that she is put in prison.”
So she did wunt to meet with LE to confess…and he kept her from doing so…wow…its all about him…in the end and his performance his name in this whole thing….her askng to meet with LE and him advising her to not do so…ohh I see…Oh Attorney you better stay with us…so we can undrstand things better…!!! 🙂
Smart group of people here,
I have no respect for an attorney who does not represent his client’s best interest
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I kno that but bb doesnt have her best interest in mind..so he really doesnt care if he gets her put in prison..he is just lookin to make a name for himself…to bad he doesnt have her best interest in mind…only his status as a criminal attorney
But Mytwocents Attorney did say “We all know in the end Mr. Baez will put a criminal behind bars” and thats whut I wus goin by is all..that comment there.. 🙂
One thing that I don’t understand is if BB is not experienced enough to be lead attorney why does he still have the spotlight? Is Lemon not going to participate now? Is BB going to take second chair to someone else in his law firm? If so why doesn’t that person step forward now?
Pickles, I understand now. I read back more to see both of your comments. I really wish clients could get a “second opinion” so to speak from another separate attorney.
I only say that because I really wish little Caylee could be found and it seems like that might be the only way – for her to confess for a deal of some kind (not too good a deal hopefully)
He will put a criminal behind bars evn if he is that criminals defense attorney..just for the clout…whadda jurk…well whadda yah xpect tho…she is a child killr dusnt seem like shed have the most morally correct defense attorney….to bad for her..he’d rather get a high dollar name then try and defend her properly or in her best interest…
Isnt it amazing havng Attorney here with us now…YOu shulda come aboard a long time ago…culda xplaind lots and lots fur us…sheeesh..
Yah Mytwocents..I knew there wus a spot joooh over looked..
You kno tho maybe this is due revenge fur killr…maybe anuthr attorney wulda lookd out fur her best interest..and got her off or got her only a cuple a years..maybe this self centerd,fame seeking attorney is whut she gets…somone more self absorbed then herself..I thought no one culd claim that but seems as tho bb may be the one…if only his name and stuture matters to him thru all of this…and she dunt evn see it..thats the peace I have been reffering to in this I hav found peace in this in her defense team..they arent going to set her free…just the opposite…ahhh its blisss!!
Actually there may have been three missed opportunities. One was the limited immunity the state offered. Another was the time she wrote Sheriff Beary asking for permission to meet with her father (but BB talked her out of it). And the third was when she was arrested last time and asked to go to the sheriff’s office rather than jail but then she called BB and he talked her out of talking to them again.
RAJ, any chance way down the line that she could get a re-trial for having incompetent representation?
Its bliss she fully is trustng him..he has made only himself available fur her to trust in…and it workd…Im sur by now he knows it all…and he has pursuaded her in his advise and his direction…all just to padd his resume and pocket…its bliss…bb is more vaine then she is…and she has no clue im sur no clue…
Attorney do you think that all the touchy feely hand holdng he is doin with her is to…make her feel as tho she has only him to trust…to keep her reeled in…to his bs…?
Yah culd she get a re-trial for him not havng her best interest in mind..or is this it for her..once it goes to trial and she is convicted…is he like tryng to get her convicted correctly..so it sticks..and he looks good no matter whut??? So many questions we have fur jooooh..its almost like madness…
Thats a good one fur our Attorney here…the touchy feely hand holdng nonsense..is that just to play it up to her..that he cares and she can trust him…or is he a perv???
Mr Baez does not meet the qualifications that are required by the State of Florida to represent a defendent in a death penalty case.
Mr.. Baez has represented one client on a murder 1 charge. The client was found guilty and is serving life in prison. I think it would be a mistake for Mr Baez to even consider second chair in this case, however Mr. Baez has brainwashed Ms. Anthony into thinking he is her savior. Let the trial begin and the jurors will decide Ms. Anthony’s fate based on actual facts, and meticulous evidence test results done by the most respected lab in the United States.
hello everyone….
Great conversation (as always).
Welcome RAJ-always nice to have someone “in the know” of how the legal part of this all works. I know it differs from state to state, but your input is interesting.
Good questions from all of you tonight to RAJ!
Let the trial begin and the jurors will decide Ms. Anthony’s fate based on actual facts, and meticulous evidence test results done by the most respected lab in the United States
THANK YOU…so many wunt to discredit the FBI tests and there labs and there equiptment…..its nice to hear somone else say that…we all say it ovr and ovr again.. 🙂
Thank you, RAJ. I was mixed up and thought BB did not have the qualifications for a death penalty or murder one case. So he’s got a total experience of one lost murder one case! LOL!
Hey CHSAH…yah our Attorney rocks…Im telln yah..he shulda been here long ago…pheew..
RAJ, you may have already been asked and I missed it, but did you specialize in any particular area when you were unretired? Did you ever have to represent anyone for murder? Has no relevancy here, just curious.
CHSAH – Don’t mean to be a spoil sport but you know what curiosity did to the cat. Maybe we could invite RAJ to tell us about himself when/if he wants to. Meanwhile we are perfectly happy with him as is! 🙂
Mytwocents..isnt it amazng how well xperienced bb is…killr is sooo screwd…ahahahahah somone more concieted then she is…isnt it grand…ahahahaha…MUAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!! LOVE IT!!!
Would be nice if he (RAJ) is around if Dak decides to come back around. I’d like to see Dak try to dance around RAJ. (heeee…..heeee..)
RAJ, So I guess the answer to my question about whether M could get a mistrial due to incompetent representation rests with whether he really does something blatantly “wrong.” As opposed to just blatantly selfish (so to speak).
Mr. Baez treats Ms. Anthony like a wounded bird. Caressing her in anyway is not ethical in our profession. He is very aware not to cross those bounderies.
In this particular case CHSAH, I think “our” attorney’s time is far too precious to waste like that (re your 11:21 post). 🙂
I hope Dak reads the posts that our Attorney has left….. 😛
MTC……curiosity killed the cat??? satisfaction brought him back!!! LOL…. Ok………I get ur point.
RAJ, sorry for asking.
RAJ – According to BB, he only found out about the no-touching policy from a prison guard! I guess he missed that class in law school! LOL!
So it is just to gain her trust and confindence then???
Sorry, CHSAH. I’ve got a knee-jerk super sensitive spot with things like that. I feel -especially on a blog like this – that if we ask something personal and the person does not answer that they could feel or we could feel rebuffed or something negative. And if they do answer then I never know if they felt pushed to do so because they didn’t want to seem rude or stand-offish or whatever. You know?
Ms. Anthony must file a motion against Ms. Baez for misrepresentation. Highly unlikely she would ever make that motion.
Alls curiosity evr got my cat wus fleas and worms… 😛
mytwocents said,in December 5th, 2008 at 11:23 pm In this particular case CHSAH, I think “our” attorney’s time is far too precious to waste like that (re your 11:21 post).
mtc, yeah, ur right. Just thinking maybe DAK would give RAJ more respect b/c of his profession and b/c most of us in here are women, Dak always feels “attacked”.
I mean it puts people on the spot. I guess I feel that people will tell us about themselves if and when they want to. We can always express interest – generally speaking. “Would love to hear more about you if/when you have the time” sort of thing. I’m sorry. I’m just too sensitive about this kind of thing (among others I’m sure). Sorry.
MTC……not a problem, you know it’s all good. I respect 99.9% of the people on this blog and didn’t think about that.
Pickles said,in December 5th, 2008 at 11:28 pm Alls curiosity evr got my cat wus fleas and worms……
You are toooooo funny!
Of course she wuldnt do that he has convinced her that he is her night in shining armor the only one she can trust and does trust for that matter..he prolly has her believng whut he is doing for her is in her best interest…to let it go to trial the evidnce isnt enuff…and in the end when she is convictd….he will convince her its not his fault..but the jury who chose to side with the evidnce hee heee
I’ll bet dollars to donuts that Dak puts lawyers in a similar category to LE. LOL!
Mr. Baez seems to act like a peacock at times, but his train will be plucked by the prosecution.
RAJ – Normally I would agree but M has attacked her mother, father, brother and friends. I would not put it past her to attack her lawyer – justifiably or not! LOL!
Yah we dunt need to ruin a good thing by askng personall details of ones past…so jah our Attorney rocks…so many questions…so many..
Mtc, you don’t need to be sorry. I respect your opinion. (i’m doing the head hittin’……wow, I should have had a v8!) lol….enough said. I take no offense to your putting me in my place…….You did it respectfully. 🙂
mytwocents said,in December 5th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Of course he will…
RAJ at 11:35 Beautifully put!
And on that note, I will retire for the evening!
See you all tomorrow!
And prayers for little Caylee.
Raj, personal apology to you. Glad ur here to help us get our questions answered.
CHSAH its true thats all curiosity evr got muh cat…I love my cat but dang he is
Gnite Mytwocents….
Manyana it is…dahling…!!!
Yes Prayrs fur Caylee…indeed…
He’s gunna get pluckd..wundr if thats like PAW69’s sayng fluckd…rhymes with pluckd… 😛
Ms. Anthony seems incapable of loving anyone including herself. Mr. Baez takes advantage of that weakness. As we discussed earlier he holds her hand, he hugs her, and she likes the way he makes her feel. He fills the void of a parent.
Welp im gunna go to …good night everyone..it sur is nice to have evryone here…
🙂
Good night as well. 🙂
Good Night
Retired Attorney John:
Answer to prosecutions question of why car was left her car at Amscot:
a)Car had not reached minimum 31 day limit of 31 days missing to be noticed by Anthony family member
b)Casey had noticed car missing and was looking diligently in familiar places like bars and malls where person she had handed keys to had taken it
well that was badly put – computer problems – you catch my drift
Hi everyone. well got omly 3 hours of sleep got home at 2 this afternoon and me and my girl fell asleep and just woke up on the couch lol shhot didn’t get anything done and I missed the whole blog today and tonight! I see Retired attorney is here to answer our questions cool!
I will be on tomorrow.. I have to do dishes now lol my days and nighta are al messed up now
CHSAH Hello!!!! I will reply tomorrow!!!
note – after reading posts, at first I thought Mattie might be Michelle Bart but PR style deteriorated quickly into Cindy-esque verbiage.
It is unusual to hear people argue intelligently for defense – most people with an IQ over 70 think she is guilty.
However, all well-constructed arguments should not be subjected to hysterical lynch mob mentality or sarcastic derision if they don’t match our conclusions – all of them help us formulate our own arguments much more coherently and cogently. We should be grateful for the chance to better craft our own conclusions. IMHO
Kudos in particular to CIT for level and well-thought answers that were not derogatory in tone.
wow I missed so much today and was reading all the questions and RET comments. and the news of the day no death penalty, but if they go for the PPD defense I will croak! never buying that one…
The retired attonrye comments help shed some light on to what the heck is going on with her attorney and the legalities of this case.
Well, i slept for like 8 hours and now I am messed up now I am up in the night. lol
better go and clean, but so much to read here….
about the lady who came on with her post… I have no comment…lol
Anyone still in here? Got home late..trapped in a snow storm (white out).
hi kris! hw are you? I am here only cause me days and nights mixed up, in fact we been asleep since like 4 pm,
did you read all the good posts today?
how you feeling?
Yeah I caught up a bit in here….I’m feeling better now..they switched a few things and what a great difference so far!
can someone help shed some light on my question? why is the car at amscot an issue? I mean i saw RET attorney said the jury will want to know about that lie? I am confused on this one…???? why is that lie specifically important is what I mean out of the thousands of other lies..
Wish I could’ve been on here when Raj was here..I have a few things to ask him too.
wow thats good, you said a white out? huh? lol no snow here..
i worked my 6 am shift till 2 this is new for me on fridays and its not working already lol since me and her slept from 4 till midnight now i am up drinking coffee shes still asleep and now we’ll be ll messed up, i am tempted to get her up, she may be getting a cold tho
wow thats good, you said a white out? huh? lol no snow here..
i worked my 6 am shift till 2 this is new for me on fridays and its not working already lol since me and her slept from 4 till midnight now i am up drinking coffee shes still asleep and now we’ll be ll messed up, i am tempted to get her up, she may be getting a cold tho
yah I really read his the most when i got on and it all makes perfect sense when I read his posts.. the lagalities and why baez is doing what he is doing or saying
what did you make of the other ones post about the air samples being more like pork?
I was trying to hash that one out in my mind too…I am not certain what angle they would be going for, so I don’t want to venture a guess..I would want to find out more. I may be able to ask my attorney too…I have to see him next week, someone did something very nasty to my family so I have to make some decisions now that I feel better.
in fact I have to re-read her post again lol
now to find it lol
He may understand some of the things with the case against Casey.
Yeah the snow is coming down very heavy here..can’t see driving at all.. zero visibility.
wow well good luck on that kris, truly…your referring to the car question? I was wondering why he said that would be important to the jury, that specific lie itself.. i am confused about the whole car amscot thing, timeline etc… that part always boggles me the timeline in this case too..
How is the weather by you pammy?
I get confused on the timeline too…but I am just truly hoping that they can consider reinstating the death penalty if more comes to light..It just isn’t right that it’s off the table.
blustery cold, windy maybe 24 or 25, it was so cold today i think thats why me and her came home plopped on the couch and shes still sleeping! either that or shes getting sick..
i had to run around in the cold all day too.. with no sleep i was worn out, woke up lights on tree lights, windows and shades open, looked at the clock and said holy cow its 12:30!!!!
now I am up tho reading since i never have time
Yeah..I read you were up late last night…and you got up soooooo early. I could never do that, you have way more stamina than I have..I give you credit for that.
I guess I may have inadvertently (spell check) hurt daks feelings from last night, and I never would do that on purpose. I said some things and he mentioned leaving the blog, so dak if your reading I am sorry!!!
Like the old song “BABY COME BACK…YOU CAN BLAME IT ALL ON ME”…lol
lol…
lol kris, i got home at 2:30 from work and we fell asleep till midnight lol i have no stamina.. i was going to wrap rpesents clean my house and blog with you all.. now I am up again and will be tired tomorrow… i really can’t believe shes still asleep, she may be getting sick or was just tired from mom dragging her out so early.. I thought the new friday shift would be cool, having friday nights off but I find I am more tired than anything.
Yeah I hope Dak comes back too….I told him that. Like someone once said in here, “even the best or worst of families don’t agree on everything”..But Dak is just Dak, and after a while it will just feel strange without him..Hopefully that made sense…lol.
If I could only get my voice back to sounding better I would love to call in for the show…but it just isn’t there yet.
yah I am gonna try to call in… she just got up lol wanting to watch cartoons lol she doesn’t seem sick lol
yah alot happening today in the blog, i am still reading…
you work too kris? I think i heard you say that before???
Still on here pammy?
yep i am here
what do you make of that poster saying the air samples may have been pork??
Yeah I’m back to work now. They offered me another office close to my home…would save alot on gas, but I don’t know what to do. I really like where I am..but I need to choose before january comes what I want to do. I do love my job though…too many years now, I feel old.
Oh my god…I read that post and died! Pork..comeon! Like a pig roast was in there, or someone killed a pig and put it in the trunk? You gotta be kidding me!
I like my job sometimes lol other times not, its always back and forth with me… I work afternoons so its a hard shift, seems like I have no time, for any interests, or for my girl.. to juggle it all…
I try tho.. I have felt like just leaving the blog too at times simply from no time. but like I posted before, Caylee and God will ot let me to that!!!!!! 🙂 and not to mention all the nice people I have met here
They might as well say earth worms…they do have the same chemical composition and makeup as pork does..just rearranged in a different order is all. Exact makeup for both…Now there’s a scary thought..think on that one when you have your next pork chop! lol!
yah I didn’t know what to make of her post.. but am reading so quickly… I didn’t know that about the worms till you just enlightened me! lol
or could it have been a dead body too?? just a hunch? LOL
I feel the same way pammy…it is like a compulsion to want to come back to help. I feel somehow like I need to do my part to help with the injustice this little girl suffered from. It’s almost like when I take a break, I feel guilty for not being there because it’s about Caylee and making sure that we did everything we could to help with this case.
ditto girl I feel that way too… Its like this case troubles me all the time, when I am out and about I even think about caylee, and the “whys” and when I am driving in my car, i think about M driving that car around…
what did you make of the tapes we saw? mind boggling… what I saw was evasion, hedging, I saw a 14 year old girl not a mother with a toddler… really weird to watch…
Someone at my office building gave an opinion on the case..they offered a hypothetical and said what if Casey was trying to get out of a situation involving a prostitution ring and a pimp would not let her..but she attempted to anyway…could they have taken Caylee or set her up. I did not have the heart to tell her my thoughts on that one…she hasn’t been following close enough I think.
i think it was you wasn’t it said they acted like the brady bunch? lol lol
it was just weird to watch them… again I have said it before I blame M for all of this, she has caused this spectacle…
I mean one thing i never noticed her sobbing over caylee still missing, it was so all about her…
there are so many theories and ideas, but I am kind of like a logical person, for me when I see the criminal myself speaking in their own words, that for me is very telling… contrary to what some think that media hs tried this case, I go by facts and the mother herself, in her own words… she to me is not telling the truth about anything, its so obvious to anyone watching , i study and hang on her every word, her body language, her reactions etc…its all saying foul play
I don’t even care about the ants they didn’t do this, alls I care about is M’s words and what she said happened, and I don’t believe her for a second,
Those tapes made me sick…The all american family…..(NOT!) But what really got me was when Cindy caught on to Casey’s reference of Caylee in the past tense and then corrected herself. You can see Cindy understand the meaning of what she just heard, and she starts to wipe her eyes…then she stares at her after that weighing in her every word…sort of like saying, “I may not be able to say it here and now…but I know what you did.”
wow for some reason when i heard them i didn’t hear that part!!! it was difficult to hear, I even stayed up late last night lol thats why i was tired today lol maybe i missed that part
Yeah…I said the Brady bunch..but it is just so obvious that she is lying (shes not even a convincing liar)you can see through her like a thin piece of veneer. And that mollycoddling by those parents..my god! Made me so sick to hear them. She just sucks it up too…you can tell she wants to be the eternal baby in their eyes.
wow again right there, what you said its very telling…creepy, they are all creepy.. IMO but again i feel for the ants suffering they have to be suffering too… we here are all suffering over caylee, i would imagine they have had some good hard crying and breakdowns behind closed doors… M is like a child still a baby had a baby
I posted the link to that tape I think it was entitled something like “If I could take your pain away”. It was under the sentinel..if you google it you will find the tape. And Casey refers to Caylee in the past tense…then stumbles over her tongue to correct herself..almost like thinking (did I just say that?)..oh no.
exactly kris, and thats why when people say oh your only going by the media hype, I don’t, I go by her initial interrogation, then the evidence coming out to substantiate it all, she has no defense.. in her own words, it didn’t even make sense what she even tried to come up with for a defense… and its now looking like she doesn’t even have a defense and is waiting for others to help her do that, while she just sits in jail waiting
That is true (baby had a baby)…and the whole sad thing is it almost is like C forced her to grow up into motherhood. Some women are just not meant to be mothers I feel, and it is sad that the little ones suffer because of that. C has to be wracked with guilt over that I’m sure.
I will go and watch it kris, I have to watch sometimes when theres alot of noise. lol
again that type of stuff for me as a juror would be sooooooooooo telling.
I mean when peeps come in here and say oh its all media hype , no for me its about truth, and logic, I have followed these types of cases for years and years, and I take all the media hype with a grain of salt, I like facts, prven facts.. and again I go to the mother who has created the most ridiculous story on the planet than has nothing to back up the far fethced story whatsoever.. not even one thing she told has been proved..
The only other person I can think of that probably had to feel as much guilt as C is feeling was that family that lost there daughter (Leslie Mahaffey) to that killer Paul Bernardo…they were trying to teach her tough love for staying out past curfew and locked her out of the house, and that was the same night Bernardo picked her up and then ultimately killed her days later. That family was so torn apart by that…but who could’ve known. Has to feel the same sort of for C I’m sure.
yes kris agreed.. i do feel for the ants, I truly do, M reminds me of a teenager a 14 year old girl that even if she were in your living room sitting and talking to you, you would be like looking at her like a little girl,
like a kid down the street you would ask to babysit.. lol not that I would want her!!! LOL but you know just a little girl… not ready for motherhood…and C doing the raising, thats why I know it had to kill her to know what has happened
I get so mad at them too…I keep going from how angered I am at them for their cockemamy stories they concoct….to feeling bad because they were in fact robbed of the love they had for thier granddaughter…I’m certain the holidays will be horrible for them. But that should make them all the more upset towards their daughter..and feel real emotions like any family would feel about who robbed them of that love. It is goes from being so sick to just sad then back again.
agree kris, holidays will be hard for them
like I always say about this case, the little girl hasn’t been found still and now its up to M to come clean, but she never will
I am hoping there is still a way to put the death penalty back in place. I feel that is really there only bargaining chip to bring Caylee home for a proper burial. And it is too sad if it is taken away because it makes me think she may never be found and just remain in an unknown grave where noone can visit to pay their respects. It makes me so upset to think about that.
God…I’m crying now after posting that!
did u hear padilla say that about the beads again? he is pretty adamant about that cross the econ river and the memorial…
what do you make about that part
I know it stop that! LOL
I tear up too when i am posting, hell i tear up when my girl just tells me I am her best friend and how much she loves me~~~
i tear up over dam commercials…
I think it is a good possibility that she could be there somewhere…but it is gonna be hard for them to find her on their own. Casey has to tell them and she won’t, it will be a string of good luck if they can find her on their own…All the more power to Padilla. Let him give it a shot..
Yeah pammy I tear up over commercials too..especially that one where the lil boy says..”Mommy check out Fido’s new trick” and then you see the dog scoot accross the rug…lmao. (teared right up on that one!) Not the same but I teared up anyway..lol.
yah he seems pretty sure about it, and I don’t think he is a stupid man, for whatever brought him into this case…I like him. I like tim miller too…
my girl is up and eating all the candy canes off the tree lol theres a show on cable showing how they make them and shes amazed (me too in fact) they make this gigantic glob of sugar roll and then put it throught this machine and places the stripes on LOL yes this is how I entertain myself lol
That use to be my job..sneaking all the candy canes off the tree…I love them!
u should call the show sunday… we can hear you just fine…
I am gonna try, I am wanting to see who the mystery person is…
yah she loves them too.. I have to get some more, I got these snowman tree ornaments today too, they are like car air fresheners and you hang them on the tree and it smells so good… same concept of car ones, they are pretty potent, got them at cracker barrel, do u have a cracker barrel by you? great stuff in there
I should have my voice back soon I hope…maybe I’ll even try to go back out to the karaoke contests like a few years ago..I won a couple years back and was told I do a pretty good shot at Melissa Etheridge tunes…lol!
We use to have Cracker Barrel haven’t been to that section of town lately so don’t know if there still around or not.
well, i should get off of here and since we are up and now wide awake i can get alot of chores done i think, then go back to bed so we don’t have repeat of tonught…
its been cool blogging with you tonight, glad to see your back and on the road to recovery… hope all is well and your getting ready for the holidays, i been stressing alot this year afarid of running out of time, and not being done.. and not to mention…money lol I finally got her done…
Yeah…think I’ll hit the hay too. Getting very tired, too stressing fighting the snow storm to get home. Glad I got back though…pop in tommorrow for a bit pammy. I’ll talk to you then..nice chatting.
LOL yah I bet alot of peeps will call tomorrow…
yah cracker barrels are sooo cool for unique little gifts , and tree stuff, and canyd of course, and old time things so i found these tree ornaments that smell good on the tree…
I’ll stop in tommorrow for a bit…My eyes are getting so tired I could crack toothpicks in half…lol.
Have a good night..sweet dreams.
Goodnight kris, I will be back on tomorrow evening and hopefully not sleeping lol
hi all my blogger friends,your probles all sleepin but i wanted to all in before i go christmas tree hunting..
jan thanks for the post it is heartbraking that all these babies are everywhere around the world being let down by the very people god asked to protect them.
There is a baby in england all he is called is baby p it is in google news and it is one of the most heartbraking cases i have every met,but people are demanding answers,over 100,000 petitions have been sent to the goverment and no longer can we all sit by and do nothing.If anyone has the time look up BABY P and remember him in your prayers.
il try get back later.
caylee and all your friends hubbs.xxx
morning my am friends, always think i will sleep all day on the weekend, but no automatic alarmclock!
so after reading was thinking maybe bb has made this case go on so long for personal gain to fame, if it was over the news wouldnt be printing his name no need for interviews, if there was some info that could have brought caylee home and he didnt let m tell then he to should be punished, for wasting tx payers money and time, and for witholding info, wouldnt m be able to talk with le on her own?? or would that info be imisable?
in m statement to zanni she says she hopes caylee comes back happy and smiling and ok, and she doesnt know why zanni did this, why would someone who cares about caylee(zanni) have reason to hurt her and i thought zanni was teaching her a lesson?
Good morning anna! M would have to formally waive her right to counsel I think before talking to LE on her own or LE could not act on it (legally I guess). I guess BB’s the only one she “trusts” so she’s done what he’s told her. And as we heard from our Retired Attorney John last night what he’s told her may not have been in HER best interests and no doubt has stood in the way of finding Caylee.
anna at 7:51 Good points. Every time M tries to embellish her story she messes up and makes it more unbelievable. Plus one has to have a very very good memory to be a good liar. Or a successful liar anyway. M’s not that good.
Retired Attorney John said,in December 5th, 2008 at 10:46 pm If Ms. Anthony confesses he got his 15 minutes. If Ms. Anthony goes forward with a trial he gains exposure. Exposure equals clients and clients equal financial gain.
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And I’m sure that some part of M is looking forward to starring in her own show in public!
(the trial) I’m sure she’s seething that her mother gets to play the grieved martyr in the media and M is cooped up. Or not. Now I’m remembering the indignant strut from car to attorney’s office with the chin stuck out and t-shirt tied at hip and rolled up at sleeves.
BTW – did anyone notice that the t-shirt family friend Anna made had a full-color photo of Caylee on it and the t-shirt that the “professional” KidLosers made had an ink drawing with no detail and such small print it’s practically unreadable from 3 feet away?
(speaking of different t-shirts C & G wore to the jail to show M)
Hi, Minnie! It’s so much fun to get a Christmas tree! I LOVE the smell! What kind of tree do you like? Will you get it all decorated this weekend too? Otherwise are you all ready for Christmas? 🙂
i was wondering about thoes shirts, boy all the donated money and cant even make a decent t shirt with a real pic!
mtc~ im sure thats why g is keeping a log of what he is telling le, if its the truth you wouldnt have to rember, but lies you have to keep track of!
seing some of the things bb has done in this case i wouldnt hire him and im not even a law expert
well I’m hoping that G told LE the truth! But he still could get all mixed up because he’s been lying to his wife and everyone else so much!
Goood morning….
Anna hows it goin??
We had alot of great conversations last night..covered lots of diff topics..with our Attorney…it wus sooo interestng..just to learn more from that side of it all..we learnd alot more about bb’s motives and his TRUE ambitions….WOW…bb is way more vaine then killr…he is in it for the fame and fortune he culd care less bout killr and her best interest…(to me dats fine)
Anna Anna banana fee fi fo fanna manna banana lama rama slamma
bumples~know how many yrs i have heard that song??? and still hear it 🙂
i got soooo much to do, cleaan, wrap, and cooking a 21lb turkey takes 51/2 hrs boy, i always get really hungry when cooking!
Good luk…
bbiab!!!
Hi, all! I just watched an old video of Mark Nejame talking about finding out that Larry Garrison was paid by NBC for the ants’ attorney. The point is that during Nejame’s long rambling talk about it he mentions that the ants are not getting paid and he had made it clear to them that if they were he “would no longer represent them.” So now I wonder if that’s why he quit?? Maybe they started taking money from somewhere or he found out about it. Or maybe there was another or several other reasons. Anyway thought it was interesting.
I didn’t mean Larry Garrison was paid by NBC for the ants’ attorney – I mean he was paid by NBC for the ants’ appearance on an NBC interview. Sorry about that.
the ants have to be getting money from somewhere neither are working, wonder if they plan to resume work, or if they are going to wait for caylee to come home first, might be a loooong wait!
Good morning all! hey off topic did you all hear about O.J.? 9 years.. (maybe serve 6) on appeals…
Funny how he isn’t big news anymore, after all this time, s amll spot on the news page..
Like M someday everyone will lose interest in her too…
Hows everyone doing? It is SNOWING here!
Hi, pammyliz! OJ’s judge gave out such a complex bunch of sentences that seasoned attorneys were scratching their heads trying to figure out what it really added up to. If you look at various news sources you’ll see a variety of interpretations. One I read said it totals 33 years but boils down to being eligible for parole after 9 years.
Hey MTC yah i went to CNN and read it, it said 18 with maybe 6 then the main article stated 33 years with parole eligible at 9. I say he serves maybe 6
everyone is just sick of him, want him to fade away… like M same thing will happen, and we won’t even talk of her anymore.. Thats why the fam better enjoy the limelight right now, cause its going away soon along with M
I noticed in those tapes and other interviews C almost always brings up PEOPLE mag or “I was in 4 interviews sweetheart” she said to M, seems like she is enjoying the fame in a weird way, like Oh we did PEOPLE like WOW…
like when she brought up the 225. grand too… Like their caught in this limelight thing…
and then of course M’s nauseating giggling over coleslaw 🙁
I stayed up literally into the wee hours and had a chance to read this whole blog..lol and I found it so helpful that retired attorney has helped answer the legal questions, puts it into perspective better…although I really am praying they don’t seek an insanity defense.
Let’s all cross our fingers that Casey will FINALLY confess since she is no longer facing the death penalty. If Baez has any brains, he’ll push her to make a deal and END this travesty out of respect for Caylee. How Baez thinks he can win this one is beyond me. Lawyers do not like to lose,some have scruples and that is precisely why Nejame quit.At least HE has a conscience.
Vmille yes i have wanted that as well, a flat out confession…but still holding out hope…and I agree don’t see how he can think they can win…
where is everyone? bumps? CA??? chsah??
I always get on at wrong time
I have to work today and it snowed not bad but still snow…
who is calling tomorrow?
Hi ladies and gents…
I know this is going to sound insane… but in one small way I fell pity towards M… let me explain why. It is obvious growing up, her family was not suportive, more like abusive.. she is a product of disfunction.
She has no idea how to be a normal person.. she has never been exposed to any type of normality at all. Look at the way she hangs on
BB.. the only thing I think that she may think is all I have to offer is my body.. she has very low self-esteeme(oops spell check) Her only worthiness is thru her body.. She truly never wanted to become a mother..(use that term loosely).. she is a child..
But of course, by no circumstance does that have ANY bearing on her actions. She is cold calculating and cruel.. she murdered her own child for her self pleasure. What a horrible way to think… BUT I believe all of this is representation of the way she was raised.. look at C. M is exactly like her… it is a wonder C didn’t kill m… The family is a posterboard for disfunction. Myabe G could be normal, but living under these circumstances for so long, I believe he has just given up…
They ALL know the truth about with M did with Caylee.. they probably saw it coming So sad..
M should be locked up for the remainder of her life, regardless of your circumstances of your life, one still KNOWS right from WRONG.
it is just so sad that little Caylee was the offspring of this demented family. Given any oportunity, in a different enviroment, this baby could have had a chance of a wonderful, love filled life. But unfortunately, she had no chance…
I think the chance of a confession went out the window with the death sentence. That’s the only real incentive to confess. And, like Retired Attorney John (RAJ) said last night, BB knows perfectly well he isn’t going to “win.” She is not going to be acquitted. And he doesn’t care. Because as RAJ said, if she confesses all BB gets his 15 minutes of fame. But if she doesn’t and he goes all the way thru trial, then he’s riding the gravy train of fame – TV interviews, book deals, and more clients. While she sits in jail for life.
HE doesn’t have any incentive to see to her best interests because HIS best interests come first to him.
Lil red…amen to that post, Ihave said it before too, that M was abused verbally and that the dysfunction in this household is at its worst. ( we all have dysfunction however on some levels). I also feel your right when she doesn’t know any other way than the way of life she has led…
she is accountable however for all of her actions, just as we all are…knowing right from wrong I know she knew it, thats why the elaborate lying to cover, if your insanse you aren’t covering and hiding…i think maybe when M is grown ( via prison), in about 20 years she will think so differently than she does now.. hopefully C will still be alive if the toll doesnt kill her, and G will have moved on I am sure.
I don’t know, Lilred. I don’t know a lot about M’s childhood. Sure there were problems in Ohio and the moved to Florida. Her dad was unemployed for a while. Maybe she didn’t get the attention she should have. But what little I have heard is that her mother was the “my child can do no wrong” type (to the world). And that may be why M’s tendencies to lie etc were not nipped in the bud.
Lots of kis grow up in far far worse homes with far far worse people and don’t end up lying, stealing and killing.
M didn’t bother graduating from HS. She knew she was a partial credit short but her parents didn’t find out until a couple days before her supposed graduation. Wonder why? M didn’t tell them of course.
Then she pretended to go to college (she told some people she did). She got pregnant. Got and quit a job. And was lying throughout all this. That’s basically how she spent her time (plus partying and sleeping around) while other kids her age were going on to college and getting jobs etc.
I do think her “growth/maturity” was stunted. But I see that as a product of her own lying and devious ways. Since she has never lived anywhere but with her parents (except a few months with Jesse’s family) she has never stood on her own. Just went out and “played” at being an adult. “Played” at being a mom.
“Played” at being employed or embarking on a career. And just lied, lied, lied.
I think it all caught up to her. She got caught big time lying and stealing. She wanted out. Tony was her latest best bet for that escape and Caylee was in the way.
agree MTV agree…I still expect the harshest punishment for her actions in murder and death there is no “rehabilitation” you cannot get rehabilitated for taking a human beings life.. so prison is the only option, and for the country we live in to show tho shalt not kill , and if you do, then we have laws for you, everyone knows it she knew it, her mistake was like she said in the tape I never planned on being on tv, and in her mind ( it all falling apart), she thought she could tell the story and they and others would just believe and keep looking, and she’d go back to tony’s house..lol..but remember her mind is like 14 years of age too, she doesn’t think like a grown woman, just a kid.. I have teen nieces this age and their way of life and their outlook on their life is silly lol what they consider a problem..C should have stepped in when she saw M was handling motherhood badly, and did it for caylees sake
I sure like to call you MTV MTC!!! 🙂
pammyliz – I can’t agree that M was abused verbally enough to warrant this behavior. She had those tendencies all along – possibly the personality disorder. Her parents either denied its existence, didn’t know how to deal with it or chose not to deal with it. That’s the most “wrong” I can see that was done to her.
My mom wasn’t very nice to me from about age 13 to the day she died many many years later.
Insulted, put down, never good enough. Plus she resented the opportunities I had that she hadn’t had (and believe me her opportunities were about 25 years before I was born – I was a very late baby). I don’t know why she treated me like that to this day I don’t.
But I’m not a liar, a thief or a killer. And I took extremely good care of my mother on a close day to day basis after my father died for 20 years. Continuing to take that verbal abuse and put down. I did it in part because I promised my father that I would. THat’s all that kept me going sometimes. Then one day I realized that one of us had to be the adult in this relationship. And since it wasn’t going to be mom. It had to be me. So I just kept turning the other cheek to the day she died.
It still hurts. I’m still not a criminal.
awww and look at how well you turned out, i am sure she is proud of you today, even though you don’t think so!
I know she was verbally abused cause I heard C say in some doc, to tony ” why would you want her a drop out .” etc.. that to me from a mother towardsa daughter in front of a potential boyfriend , friend etc. is verbal abuse, humiliating, etc, that in no way condones murder or any illegal activity, I’m just saying we can see alot now of what this fam was like…
i hold accountable M for her own actions, nothing that C and G did to her, just her, but nonetheless she was abused and I am sure abused back too..
eek i am on to work now, BBL guys
I have to de-snow the car and warm it up..
hey is there a way to ehar what was said on NG last night? I missed the show..
Yes. Well M and C sure as shoot were mean to each other. Note M swearing at her mother – and that’s when WE can hear her! It went both ways.
I think C screwed up royally in several ways. First not dealing with the personality disorder – the lying etc. Second, making her keep the baby but not supervising to see that M was really wanting to assume the role – AND undermining her when she may have been. Remember someone said that C wanted Caylee to call HER mom – not M! And I still will never understand why C – as controlling as she is – never insisted on meeting the nanny or having a phone number or picture – for nearly two years. That is totally inexplicable. She was sort of asked once by LE and she said “There was never any reason.” What? C felt there was a reason to call M in the middle of the night to tell her to come home, to call her every day a lot of the time. She was very controlling. But not with regard to the nanny?
Just inexplicable. I would have wanted to meet this “saint” especially knowing how hard it is to find good child care and knowing that M did not keep regular hours with her job. Unbelievable! So yes C should take a great deal of responsibility for what happened to Caylee. Maybe that’s why she’s as nuts as she is.
mtc~ lots off people have had hard lifes and not become a killer, i truly believe because of what c&g let her get away with and not having to pay consequenses(she should have been charged for stealing from gpaws account) that she thought e1 would believe this crazy story she didnt count on le investigation in to everything she said, just like a kid i wonder how shed be acting if she was out and not on any restrictions??? i dont think she would look at all for cayleee just like oj didnt look for the killer
lol your right mtc…eeks I am just stalling on leaving for work and the cold snow covered car 🙁
bye guys be on tonight
m2c~ sorry about your mom, mine was simmilar but alot of physical abuse to and i dont abuse my children, my sisters were afraid to have kids for that reason im the only one who did out of 3
mtc ~ about the odd working hours your right no one babysits thoes hours that ive ever met, my job started at 6:30 am and i was lucky to find someone willing to get up 1/2 hr early for me not to many will
I wonder what the court knows that caused them to remove the death penalty. It must no longer be a bargaining chip because there is no body, the trial doesn’t need a body, or they know that the defense is going for an insanity defense.
MTC: I’m sorry you had a tough childhood with a mother like that. For what it’s worth, my favorite people who I most admire had horrible mothers! They became determined not to ever be like their mothers and became amazing human beings. I agree that a sociopath child would be extremely hard to parent. They do what they want with no fear of consequences. If that’s the case with M, the Ants have my sympathy. There is also the genetic component that makes me question if she inherited her tendencies.
I’ve seen similar children who have no hesitation to lie, steal, or attack; whatever it takes to get what they want, and they know it’s wrong if they get caught, but they don’t comprehend that they should feel remorse.
Heyo evryone wussap!!!
funny thing m says le twisted her words, guess she didnt realize they were recording it? and dont they always record for that reason?
Hi Pickles! It’s 9:15 here and everyone else has a couple of hours head start on here already.
it kinda bothers me they call her ‘this little girl’ so much wonder why??
so she is also claiming the stuff with amy was a x of desperation??? looked very desparate buying undies and beer huh!
It sounds odd to refer to Caylee as “that little girl” but it could be a habit that started, not a lack of affection. I can see them saying, “There’s that little girl!” when she came into the room, or “We love that little girl”. The family has no problem acting in a loving way in the videos of Caylee, so I think it was a phrase they adopted when they talked about her.
i dont understand all the secrecy ?? between lee and m it sounds like a game to me playing along for m and all the attention.if truly teere was a kidnapping shurly the people know by noe and m has had plenty of x to tell someone where she would be, zanni im sure(if there was one) couldnt pack up her and whole family in 1 day and move out of state! it would be impossible unless she left everything behind!
On December 6th, 2008 at 11:59 am, mytwocents said:
‘And I still will never understand why C – as controlling as she is – never insisted on meeting the nanny or having a phone number or picture – for nearly two years. That is totally inexplicable.’
I agree completely! There is literally no evidence of the nanny whatsoever – and Caylee was unresponsive and showed no sign of recognition when asked about the nanny. She could remember and say Lee’s name and even the name of Lee’s fiance but she never once said anything or showed any sign of recognition about Zani or any nanny.
While I can at least understand (but not excuse) their dysfunctional inability or unwillingness to confront any of Casey’s issues (lying, stealing, etc.), I can’t understand why they didn’t at least look into the nanny after seeing Caylee’s odd response to questions about her. That should be a red flag that something is wrong.
It would have been a simple matter for Cindy to demand that she be allowed to meet the nanny to ensure that she is fit to care for Caylee. Perhaps if she had done that earlier none of this would have happened.
The fact that both George and Cindy missed or ignored the obvious signs and both failed to take very simple actions which could have prevented this – unless they are both sociopaths too (who knows?) that must cause tremendous guilt. To accept and confront Casey’s responsibility for Caylee’s disappearance (and probably death) is to accept and confront their own role and their own failures. If they are unable to hold others accountable even in a life or death situation, they are both far too weak and dysfunctional to hold themselves accountable either.
Even if you believe Casey’s story about the kidnapping, the whole idea that Casey is giving people hints or clues to help them find Caylee makes no sense at all. Casey’s claim is that she can’t just come right out and tell police all of the information or else Zani will kill Caylee. But apparently Zani doesn’t mind if Casey gives hints and clues…
What kind of nonsense is that?!? That’s the best story she could come up with in 31 days??? I could come up with a much better story in 31 seconds. I truly believe that she didn’t bother putting any thought into her story – she just kind of made it up on the spot as she was being questioned.
val, nothing I have ever heard M say about Caylee has ever sounded like what a real mother would say either in words or tone. “Absolutely nothing” starting with the interview with LE on July 16 thru everything else since then.
Also a lot of people “put on” for the camera whether it’s stills or video. And sometimes people change. One day they feel close to someone and another day they could kick them out the door. Given the very probable lack of real mother/child bonding M may have had mixed emotions about “that girl.”
You’re right, Skippy at 1:21.
And in one of the jail calls she tells her parents she can’t talk while she’s in jail. So like zanni or whoever wouldn’t have killed the child the minute M bailed out? As you say it is ALL utter and complete nonsense and lies and very very poor ones too.
she didnt talk when she was out either, she spent 6hrs a day at bb office to get away from her parents, the whole fam is sad!
Hey everybody!
So many great comments and so much to ponder!
Lilred….you have a much bigger heart then me, I have absolutely no pity for m for exactly the reasons some bloggers have mentioned, there are people who grew up in much worse conditions with less love than m and they are not criminals.
I do believe that C and G loved both Casey and Caylee but with Casey they didn’t know how to separate love from lenience, therefore they insulated her from all the consequences of her actions.
I do believe that the narcissistic gene is inborn plus living under an environment that feeds this gene … equals a sociopath.
M2c… oh I agree, she is definately wrong, regardless of how you were raised, knowing right from wrong should be a given. AND she does know right from wrong. I am in NO WAY excusing her from her herendous (eeks) actions.. She is killer..
Many, many people have come from disfuntional homes and grow up to be excetional people. M has problems that far exceed her unbringing.
I do wonder tho what causes people like her to have such little regard for others.. I don’t understand it.
There must be something so innately evil in her for her to behave the way she does..
Yup Anna, the whole family is sad. It is so sad such a beutiful, smart child was born into such an enviroment.
Lets all pray that m never has the chance to have another child..
Unfortunately knowing m as we do, somehow she will figure out how to get sex from some male guard!!!LOL
I do want to say another thing, this blog has become so much more enjoyable as of late.. I don’t know why we had so many prob as before. But I feel a genuine bond with all the peeps on here now..
As always, Justice for Caylee.
Also think maybe we should hop to another blog site.. this one is soooo long. Any ideas gals???
How about “The Young and the restless” Dec 5th?
http://www.bloggernews.net/118883
MMT….
Oh my heart is not that big… I despise M. I guess the pity comes from the fact that she is so totally self-absorbed.. I feel sorry for her because she has NO emotions…except for the ones that invole her.. I would definately like to be the one that slips the needle in her arm.. too bad DP has been taken off the table.
Please don’t get me wrong, I need to see justice done for Caylee..
we have opened our hearts to a child that her own “mother’ hated…
C&G created and enabled a monster.. they should all have to pay.
Little Red…. I know that you want justice for Caylee more than anything.
I just got a peek at you tender heart when I read that other comment knowing that you could still try and understand m and what went wrong in her life. That’s a good thing! That’s what counselors and ministers are made of! 🙂
hi guys…anyone here
We all assume that Cindy and George were irresponsible because they did not vet the nanny. But we might be overlooking something.
Yes, Casey told her friends about this “nanny”. For most of them it was a recent phenomenon, regardless of the fact that when she tells them the story she makes believe she has known her anywhere from 1 to 5 years. I think she mentioned the nanny more around her newer friends than she did her older ones – and probably started mentioning her more after March this year when she started going out more frequently. I think she made her up to convince her friends that she was important enough to warrant a nanny instead of admitting she needed her parents to babysit. Remember, when she couldn’t go somewhere she would create a wild and dramatic story – like her father’s “stroke”. Some reason she needed to stay close at home to help her family through something difficult. Not that she couldn’t get a babysitter.
But I believe the “nanny” story was something George and Cindy heard mainly after she left home with Caylee. Remember George was not working much and he and Cindy were on different shifts. George tells LE he and his wife watched her 90% of the time. I believe that the elaborate Zani stories were concocted by Casey after she left home – or shortly before – so that she could cover when her parents asked her to let them talk to Caylee, or about what she was doing.
Before that time she could have been “working out of the house” as an event planner (ie: spending all day texting and on facbook while George watched the baby in the other room). And she might have used her as an excuse to step out during the day, but if George was home she would not have needed to do this much.
I can picture her giving Cindy all kinds of details on this new “nanny” person that was suddenly taking care of Caylee now that she and Casey had moved out – why she had known her so long, giving her “connections” to her old job at Universal, making up relatives and car accidents and hospital visits. Cindy might back off if she had a lot of detail. It sounds like they were already suspicious. It would also explain why they did not have phone info etc – because Casey had already taken Caylee out of the house and her parents were afraid to insist on more particulars and Casey really didn’t have to give them much. You can see how defensive and hostile she is to the simplest probing questions during the jail interviews that are just released. They always back off when she does that – as if from long habit of walking on eggshells – and I think they would have even more so if they thought she was withholding her daughter from them.
I believe that the reason Cindy and George played along with the nanny story to LE is that they did not want to further implicate their daughter by not corroborating the story -by admitting that this was a really recent development. You can see that their stories to LE are very conflicted about Zani – thinking that she might be a pseudonym for one of her friends, George admitting they watched her mostly themselves until quite recently.
You can also tell by the questions they are asking her in jail that they really don’t know much about this new “nanny” person but are playing along so that LE does not stop looking for a kidnapper and start looking more closely at Casey. You can see that they realize that she has told other people – like LE – much more detail and has put a much longer time line on it than they were aware – but if they contradict that story then they are immediately implicating her. They are between a rock and a hard place, but are willing to take the fall as bad grandparents to cover for the fact their daughter might have accidentally killed that baby, or worse.
We cannot base any of our impressions on what Casey has told anyone and we cannot trust what her family corroborates because they have a motive to back up her stories. It’s the verbal version of Cindy washing the pants. Quick cover things up, Casey is in trouble again, hide your wallets, hide the evidence, play along.
I also believe the same thing about the pregnancy story. Just because Cindy says she didn’t know does not mean she did not know. She told that to her brother just like she tells things to the media – crazy lies to make her and her family look good that she dares people to contradict or disbelieve.
Hi C~A… I’m wondering if my 2:05 post about going to the
“The Young and the Restless” Dec 5th article is showing up. I included a link to it and I know that sometimes it doesn’t show up when a person does that.
I was just about to ask that if you peeps move… leave an adresss..
Hate when I can’t find you!!!
M2C – You’ve lived what my mother taught me: that virtue comes from within, not fueled by external motivations. We should act based on our own virtue, our own standards of right and wrong and goodness, and not give up our own virtue in reaction to ill treatment by others, essentially becoming just like them. My sweet mom has been a living example of this, just as you have been a living example for those who know you.
I am so sorry for your mother’s ill treatment of you but shiningly proud of the way you’ve treated her. Truly noble.
Howdy MMT! I’ve been v concerned about “your” area and am sure everyone is on pins & needles with the bailout on the table. Surely it would affect not only so many individuals but entire communities & towns?
mmt – i don’t see a 2:05 post
Therapist – you have a gift for looking for and realizing the good parts of other people.
It is nice to see someone recognize the compassionate moments that inevitably happen when we contemplate these events and not to make us feel bad for including them. Rarely are criminals all good or all evil (the Sopranos was a great example of such a dysfunctional family that was not introspective enough to see or care the damage it did to themselves and others).
We need those moments of compassion so that we don’t become as hard and unfeeling as all the people this is about. It is so easy and natural to become vindictive about this – particularly when the biggest victim was that sweet child. And we should insist on justice. But sometimes it makes us more judgmental than necessary about the tiniest details and it’s good to back off and see things at another angle like Lilred did. You are very good at helping us have those moments with no regret.
Death Penalty: Only negative aspect, imho, of state announcing no death penalty is less room for negotiation, but surely they considered this. They probably just already knew that Baez wouldn’t budge.
Remember folks, as Retired reminded us, easier to for jurors to convict w/o possibility of death penalty.
Someone above mentioned m ultimately acclamating to prison life. But no one, esp at age 22 who loves being the center of attention, wants to be locked up, with guards telling her what to do all the time. M likes to run the show (i.e. “Event Planner” lol).
If convicted for life, she will never run any aspect of her life again. She’ll never have the chance for redemption at motherhood. Her parents and all four grandparents’ health are suffering bc of M; she’ll have to learn to live with that.
She claims to be a Christian, so she’ll spend the rest of her days contemplating Heaven and Hell–talk about night sweats & nightmares!
No new fashion, no more high-heeled boots, no more lacey lingerie, no more texting, no more vacations, no more beach, no views from a mountaintop. Never again would she feel the smoothness of water rushing past her as she swam in the sea.
I’d much rather see her get life in prison than the death penalty. jmo.
cit – my opinion as well….life without parole in generl pop…she won’t fair well!
she deserves the shiat kicked outta her on a daily basis to remind her how much baby killers are hated especially in jail!…justice on the inside will take care of her…
Concerned in Texas, thanks for your concerned! Yes, we are all on pins and needles here. I’ve been on a roller coaster with the bailout from day one. My heart goes out to young and old alike who have already lost their jobs and homes.
MMT – I still don’t see the link.
Novalis – Many good points. I agree in regard to C&G covering up–it’s good for the case that they’re not aware enough to realize that anyone can see through it.
C-A — I just hope she doesn’t get anything less than life, which would be fair to Caylee.
MMT – I hope Congress and the country will keep in mind that the bailout would help “regular” people, and not just the idiot CEO’s zipping around the globe on private jets.
OH, I cannot believe it’s already 2:00! Better get some things done around here! I’ll bbl — much to discuss, with these new videos.
Thanks, Retired. We all truly appreciate your input.
C-A: Keep us posted on the house. We’re all sending well wishes and prayers your way.
cit – i will be crushed if she gets anything less then life w/o parole….that is NOT justice…she had 31 days to hide the body so she wouldnt be found…no body is what she is counting on gettin her off….doesn’t mean she is not 100% repsonsible for that baby’s disappearance and murder as I believe the scientific evidence!
cit – The house was big enough, cheap enough with ramp challenges….bit shacky but I would rather that then NO house at all when the bank comes knockin with the “get the flock out” notice…LMAO…
hubby thinks I am panicking and we should NOT take the first thing, I say he is rolling the dice to have main floor bathroom for special needs daughter being in ANY other place we look at…and room for 7 peeps….
So we already disagreeing…I think we should take it (if she let’s us) landlady seems a little spaced out! And there is a basement (seperate entrance) some guy lives alone…creeps me out…wouldn’t move in until I met the basement dweller though..if I didn’t like him I would take my chances…she says he nice but so what! I’d like to see for myself…that kinda creeps me out havin someone live under me…so i dunno…it would only be temp. and we could still look for better place and MOVE AGAIN…oh joy oh bliss! She is calling us Monday!
but has a big fenced in backyard and public school right across the street…:) Did a pros and cons list for hubby…didn’t seem to matter much…LOL
novalis, thank you for your kind words, but know that I have another side to me that’s not always as you described. LOL… If you want proof just ask my kids and they will tell you that I often jumped to conclusions, while they were growing up, and took no prisoners! 🙂
CIT… regarding your theory while watching the newly released videos of the jailhouse visits. I can completely understand your thinking on Casey possibly wanting them to find Caylee’s body so she can blame someone else for killing Caylee and skip merrily home, or so she thinks!
But, I did also view a couple of things where I saw Casey admit to more than she wanted to, in my eyes anyway. Here’s the first part I question:
Cindy: “Once Caylee’s found you can tell them all you know and then you will be released.”
Casey: Total silence
Cindy: “Don’t you think?”
Casey: “Potentially, I don’t know because Gary thinks I did something to Caylee”
Now, by the way that Cindy stated that we knew she meant Caylee being found alive. But if you listen to it… Casey thinking only of Caylee being found dead.
mmt – very true…maggot thinkin how am I gonna tell what I know when they find her remains and I tell them how I did it!
The other thing is at one point…c says melich thinks quote: “YOU GUYS DID SOMETHING TO CAYLEE”
Who else did she mean by YOU GUYS?
Maggot did not answer that question and C didn’t say it again…
In those vids C looks very suspicious of maggott…the look on her face is that of bewilderment…and wonder…but she doesn’t force maggot to talk no does she get any answers…
Sorry…how am I gonna tell them what I know and GO HOME!
I’m sure that Casey will be thinking up lies galore while she’s waiting for the trial.
I think that Casey deliberately mentioned that Zenadia was rich so she can later say that Zenadia didn’t want any money for babysitting because Zenadia loved kids and could afford to take them to Disney World or anyplace for that matter. (Who in their right mind would believe that?)
Also, I believe that Casey was setting up her story to blame the imaginary nanny as the person who looked up those websites on her computer. (How to make chloroform, missing children, neck breaking, etc.) That’s why she told her parents “I told you that she had a key.” She wants to set it up so people believe that the nanny had access to the Ants home and to their computers.
Unless, she was talking about a key to her car… does anybody know for sure?
Therapist and C~A –
Very interesting about the verbal dance Casey and her mother do during the interview. Both sides trying to see how much the other knows without giving any ground.
One theory I have been contemplating is what if Casey had left her in the car and hoped that someone would steal it, then blame that person when Caylee was found? Perhaps she did not expect the car to be towed and recovered. If she did that, and had left her in the wheel well, then George may have disposed of the body.
If that is the case, and Casey knows they did because LE has not arrested her for murder, then she must be wondering what they did, and if they do know, why are they keeping her in jail? It would explain her anger at her parents because if she believes they interfered in her plan, but somehow cleaned up after her, then why can’t they somehow go all the way and prove she is innocent? If they know and have taken care of it, why is she still sitting in jail?
It is interesting to me that George makes a point of asking her what he can do to help and that he is the first person she asks to see a little later during that jail stay, – not LV as one would expect.
I am not sure Cindy knows the truth yet, but she is certainly looking at her daughter in a way that makes me think she knows exactly what is going on but cannot say anything to implicate her – she really wants to look at her eyes the entire time to see when she is lying – and Casey seems very reluctant to do that without switching the subject to talk about superficialities.
There are a lot of layers in those visits that are very revealing about all of them.
It’s the key to the house….trying to plant doubt on her doing searches…oh yah, zanny let herself in the ants house to use her computer…ya ok
I want to know why c didn’t go upside her face with why would zanny, a woman they never met have a damn key to their house? She never asked maggot why she had a key…why?
The money thing too…made up your right, thats’ why there is no money trail for sitting costs…
It’s so blatenly clear those are lies…oh yah, that’s how she describes nanny….”lots of money” who describes someone like that?
She still has to answer the ? on why she needed the nany in the first place….I really hope le can find out what the hell she’d been up to all the while she took caylee with her and she had no job and baby wasn’t with her? those are ?’s that eat me alive…What was she doing for almost 2 years? When she says baby going to nanny and she didn’t work?
I don’t know if we’ll ever know answers to so many questions. But won’t she have to be on the stand to be questioned on the events if she is claiming others took the baby?
There’s also the accusation that Padilla’s girl was on the home computer. The Ant’s have to prove other people had access to save M. I remember a comment that M said she paid the nanny well. Now the nanny is rich? And who in this world uses the term nanny anyways! The only people I know would bring them over from Europe for a year for live-in child care. I’ve never heard of a nanny who lived in her own place and for M daycare would be the logical route for a young modest income, employed mother.
val…ya, she said “NANNY” to her friends to sound important and above all the other low lifes *( in her mind )who have and need subsidized daycare cause they don’t have much money….not like her and her high paying event planning job! Who wouldn’t love to say we had a NANNY and that they take their child to disney and the beach and over night sleeps…but who the hell would lie about it….
hell….double working parents wouldn’t be able to afford that kind of care for their kids…let alone a loser liar with no job…she so full of shit!
Exactly, CA! I would think her parents would be a tad suspicious when she talked about a nanny. And on the tape M said Zenaida was angry because of money she owed her? The rich nanny who works for free?
C~A – we only have Casey’s lies to LE about her job – and George and Cindy’s corroboration which, like everything else they have said or asked is designed to give her an alibi or to further cover things up. She told LE she had been using a nanny for 2 years but it might have been George and Cindy all along – only they do not want to expose her lies.
For all we know, she sat at home most of the time after she was fired in 2006 and just recently made up the event planner job to get Cindy off her back for not working. The fake emails she made about her event planner job at Universal were probably designed to make Cindy think it was real. And she may not have acted like it was full time so that she could still have Cindy footing the bill for Caylee.
I don’t think George and Cindy thought she even needed a nanny until recently regardless of the story she told LE that it was 2 years. For all we know the nanny story was really only 2 months old to George and Cindy. George and Cindy would never admit that for a minute – it destroys the theory that someone took her and contradicts all the b.s. that Casey told LE.
If g went to work at 1 and c left in the morning M would have to disappear for a few hours every day. Where would she go? Did she come back to get Caylee when g left for work every day? I can’t wait to see her daily timeline and who saw her where.
novalis..you might be right…all boils down to what we know…m lies her face off, c and g cover up….how the hell do you know what really went on in that house…with all players suspicious actions from day one to date…it never ends! I just hope the truth comes out during trial!
Val – George’s job was relatively new. I think he had been on disability for most of the last couple of years. He had returned home in 2007 when he and Cindy had reconciled and perhaps he was babysitting Caylee much of that time after his return. His security job at Andrews supposedly began on June 16 I thought but I don’t know what employment he had prior or if it was full time (remember Cindy’s mother complained he had only worked half of their marriage). His new shift was from 3 to 11. Cindy left home a little after 7 am and usually worked until 4 or 5. I believe George said that a few times Casey had dropped Caylee off at Cindy’s office. George said it was only recently that she had been going out a whole lot, so maybe Casey had been home more often before her “event planner” job went into gear. She would have only needed to cover the difference between 3 and 5 o’clock in that case.
I really don’t think they thought she had a regular full-time job and are just playing along to cover for her. I have a hunch her family knew she had not worked steadily for awhile at Universal, but are afraid to admit that to LE because they need to back up all of her stories or the whole kidnapping theory is totally bust. They may have had no idea that she was going to take LE on that silly wild goose chase to Universal the next day and might have thought she was still looking for “Zani”. Cindy was frantically calling Melich the entire time they were interviewing her at Universal.
I think our impression of her life and what she did with her time is based on a combination of her lies to LE and her parents blindly backing it up to keep it from looking worse. We really have no substantive evidence on any of the Anthony family’s daily routine for the last two years, just what they have told people.
C~A – I’m afraid it might not be relevant to the trial – at least the questions that are driving us crazy.
They will only use what is absolutely necessary to prove that Casey and only Casey had motive and opportunity.
I wish we could get the gory details because we have all been speculating, but I’m afraid we might not unless they are points that can convict. Darn!
NOVALIS SAID: I really don’t think they thought she had a regular full-time job and are just playing along to cover for her. I have a hunch her family knew she had not worked steadily for awhile at Universal, but are afraid to admit that to LE because they need to back up all of her stories or the whole kidnapping theory is totally bust.
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That is obstruction of justice….i dont’ care if she is their daughter….their grandchild was likely murdered at the hands of the maggot daughter they are so desperatly trying to cover up for…they all belong in jail! IMO
ya points that are relevant to a conviction…we might not ever know the truth…and I don’t care as long as she is convicted….BIG HOUSE BIG TIME
They say that sociopaths are fearless, never afraid of getting caught in anything so lying is a big part of their life. Did you notice how easily Casey read off the names of the fairytale roommates that Zenadia had? Raquel Farrell and Jennifer Rosa were two of them. She even said where they either lived, worked or went to school. Did she really think that the police wouldn’t be on that information like flies? I’m sure LE did a thorough job in checking out school records, employers, license bureau, birth certificates, marriage licenses,places that I can’t even think of. Same with Zenadia and her sister and mother, I’m sure all these names were checked thoroughly.
Do Casey and Baez think that a jury will believe that all these people fell off the face of the earth?
It is obvious that the Anthony family thinks nothing of lying to their family, friends or LE and do not think of it as obstruction of anything. We see all of the lying as part of the murder or cover up, but the prosecution must separate out the lies that directly pertain to a murder, and not a family of fabricating scam artists. From what I have seen, George and Cindy have never seen anything wrong with fudging details to benefit themselves.
Whether she worked or did not work is unfortunately irrelevant to whether she murdered her child or not so it may not be as important as some of the other elements of their elaborate cover up of her actions. Like destruction of physical evidence, ie the hairbrush. The prosecution will not bother with hearsay – which is what a lot of this boils down to, who said what to who and how true was it.
Even if it were, the state is going to put its energy and focus into proving it was murder and not an unfortunate accident. The pre-meditated elements will be the ones most important to the prosecution’s case. The elaborate and confusing lies will simply help negate the credibility of the family as witnesses.
The elaborate and confusing lies will simply help negate the credibility of the family as witnesses
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ESPECIALLY MAGGOTS CREDIBILITY!
Thanks for putting the whole mind bending case into a nutshell for me..easier when you seperate the facts of murderand what they will foucus on to get a conviction and a compulsive lying family’s antics and cover ups…
C~A – well I’m afraid it doesn’t satisfy our natural curiosity for details. Sometimes I am more interested in the Enquirer version than in what we will see at trial. This family is so frustratingly complicated and dysfunctional and those elements have made what should have been simple so crazy and convoluted.
When people tell lies so much it is just maddening and makes us want the truth even about the details that much more.
Most of us have listened to this girl and are amazed that she thought she could fool anyone more more than a minute. I’ve seen four year olds tell better lies.
She may be a sociopath, but she is a flighty and flaky one.
novalis – To add to something you said above–According to Nathan’s interview, even Lee told Nathan and Tony that Casey most likely did not have a job. And this was the first night, prior to LE learning that she has no job. So, yes, the family knew but ignored it. imo
MMT – Astute observation! I made a note about that part of the converstion but missed the idea that C was referring to an alive Caylee, whie m referred to a dead Caylee. Please share any more insights you discover in these videos.
Pammy–you sound so tired! Hope you get your schedule straightened out. I was cracking up at the idea of your wee one waking up after midnight, ready for cartoon! Soooo cute! 🙂
Back to the grind. bbl
I don’t think she is a fantastic liar at all…the only reason she has gotten this far as far as LE not having a slam dunk case is that she had 31 day lead on them…she can’t lie her way out of a paper bag.
Elaborate lies as blonde twinky voice head reader on NG …yes…but great at lying I don’t think so…she is the worst liar but having the balls to do the lying she does is remarkable how she can take a lie to very limits she did with le and her desk job and the different stories about what really happened…but in the end it is all lies and she is NOT good at it or we would not see right through her lying maggot mouth..
cit…bout pammy’s little liz….cute if your not the one that has to deal with it…I am grateful for babies that sleep all night…I couldn’t handle that…I am too old and needy for my sleep..no more babies and late night feedings for me or cartoons at midnight, but guess I am still vulnerable for that one…keeping my fingies crossed ..LOL…made sure no more babies, not possible
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Concerned In Texas – that is a great point about Lee telling Nathan and Tony. It may not have seemed important to them at that point to what degree they ignored Casey’s lies. It might have created tension in the home, as it obviously did when Cindy saw the picture of Casey at the party when she said she was actually working but it was not something that had any signficance to a murder investigation so it was probably a lower priority in the family dynamic.
I think that even more disturbing than Casey’s “diabolical” ability to lie is her ability to emotionally manipulate her parents with her angry and defensive outbursts when she is confronted. She had a perfect role model in Cindy for learning that technique. The combination of those two skills made dealing with her very difficult I’m sure.
Hi guys..been catching up on your posts.
CA you are right about her not being a very good liar…sociopaths only think they are good at it, and yes they will take it to the very end…It is funny reading some of the descriptions because I unfortunately live with someone who is just like this. And when a person is this way they are the “nucleus” to their own cell…we just float around them insignificantly. Everything is truly about them…their injusctices, their needs, their desires and when they set their sights on something they have to have their way with, nothing will stop them. Even if it means stepping on others or hurting people to meet their needs. They are all that matters in their own minds…we are insignificant, and only an afterthought to them. If something is kept from them that they desire they will make someone pay the penalty for stopping them short of their goal. Common sense does not come into play, nor does rationale. Haste and greed are the only words they really understand. It is sad but there are many like this out there…and as someone said above it does I feel strongly have to do with genetics, family disfunction, enablement, and an enviroment for it to be allowed to grow. Very sad people.
novalis, what you said regardubg “Most of us have listened to this girl and are amazed that she thought she could fool anyone more more than a minute. I’ve seen four year olds tell better lies.”
In the video, did you notice how George talks to Casey as if she’s still a little girl? Even saying “The house is so empty it still has your little things and her little things.”
Your little things? This is a grown woman!
Hi Kris!
It sounds like you’re getting better everyday! Are you getting good reports from your doctor on the success of the surgery or will it be a while before you know for sure?
C`A – I agree that her lies are pretty puerile. What she was much better at is manipulating people emotionally so they didn’t look too closely at them.
Even the Grunds were taken in for a time.
The first people to interact with that family who have only been interested in the facts, ma’am, and only the facts have been LE. No wonder the whole family is ready to discredit them at every turn. All of their skeletons will be out of the closet – their fictional lives exposed.
Hmmmm “regardubg” new word. Can anyone tell me what it means?
I am being cautiously optimistic MMT. I don’t want to jump the gun and feel it’s gone for sure. But the new meds have helped alot. Doesn’t make me feel malaise or fatigued either. So I can only hope….just wait it out a few weeks to see. Thx for asking.
Yeah..I too thought that comment from George made her sound like he was talking to a little girl. That was ridiculous……she is a grown up that knows better and makes choices that is probably how they treated her all her life too.
And that comment Cindy made about “You guys doing something to Caylee”…I think that was thrown out there to implicate her friends, or create doubt on the off chance it might be true that Caylee is gone and then they wind up finding her remains. It just shows me that they are trying to cover all their angles for saving her worthless heiney (spelling?).
Therapist – that is a great observation. It literally made my skin crawl to see that she wanted to be infantilized like that and that they knew that was the right route to get her to cooperate.
As long as she is treated like a spoiled little princess and the center of attention, she will respond. When Cindy deviates from that approach, or she is asked to behave like an adult, she is petulant and uncooperative or downright hostile. I don’t think she was jealous that Caylee was put into her mother’s arms first because it reduced her standing as a mother, I think she was resentful that Caylee was the new object of her mother’s affection.
She reminded me of how a 3 year old acts when they get a new brother or sister – immature sibling rivalry from the baby of the family. It’s understandable in a 3 year old but ugly and pathetic in a 19 year old.
She reminds me of Rhoda Penmark in The Bad Seed. I think she would have killed a younger sister or brother if Cindy and George had had any more children.
Narcissists and other personality disorders are so hard to deal with – if you walk on eggshells and coddle them you run the risk of becoming enablers. If you confont them, you run the equal risk of their wrath, which is what I’m sure Cindy now realizes happened the night of June 15th. Scary!
novalis said,in December 6th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Narcissists and other personality disorders are so hard to deal with – if you walk on eggshells and coddle them you run the risk of becoming enablers. If you confont them, you run the equal risk of their wrath, which is what I’m sure Cindy now realizes happened the night of June 15th. Scary!
You are exactly right novalis in your description..it is truly like walking on eggshells. You don’t know what to do because you want to nip it in the bud, but by speaking out against the way they act they wind up controlling you through the punishment phase, or being nasty for a long time. So it makes it extremely hard to deal with people like this. They know they have a power in their control by rebelling out against others because it becomes tiring and weary and most people don’t wish to deal with their wrath. But that enabling starts at a young age through the parents and continues on into adulthood. Most parents will continue to make excuses for them and cover throughout their lifetime. I know this first hand unfortunately and sometimes you just wish to scream at them…but trust me it is futile..they never see the error of their ways. It is natural to them.
gonna get a little housework done…bbl.
Thank you friends for your kind words. Had to go get myself together again. Been a while since I talked about that.
Wow. Excellent insight Novalis, CIT and MMT!
(and others!)
I have to look at the tapes again with new eyes – a different perspective. And re-think some things although as you said a lot of the details we discuss, that we’d like to know more about, will not come up at trial and it’s very likely we’ll never know.
About C & G’s idea of her job situation. I remember G talking with either the FBI or police saying that M had deposited $4,400 in her mother’s bank account fraudulently. She’d forged the deposit! Her mother wrote the mortgage check on it and it bounced and caused them all kinds of trouble. But he said M told them it was all the paychecks Universal owed her (I’m pretty sure he said Universal). So number one it’s interesting that she was supposed to pay her parents (put money in their account), #2 that she forged the deposit and # 3 that it was supposed to be pay from work. I don’t remember if he said when that happened.
Also it creeped me out in the jail call video that M said she and Caylee were so alike – that Caylee was almost her size (NOT!) and “our little bodies” or something like that (NOT!) Acting more like a sis to Caylee. Very creepy.
And I remember C saying to FBI I believe that she ran to the kitchen to get her address book to show zanny’s address to LE (I guess it was July 15 or 16 not sure) so supposedly she had the address.
I wonder if M used C’s supposed dislike of hispanics as a way to distance C from zanny initially. If any of that is true, then C might have considered zanny “hired help” and not someone she’d jump for the opportunity to have in her home. It’s only later (like during jail visit) that they seem to be finding out more about her I believe.
I know professionals debate how much of personality disorder is created genetically or by childhood trauma – the jury is still out on the causes.
But this case is a lesson to parents everywhere that is it more important to get these kinds of people help while they are children because it’s not something they outgrow but just get better at.
And adults dealing with other adults like this – well it reminds me of addiction. Sometimes you cannot help an addict, they have to want to help themselves – you just have to limit your exposure or cut them off completely and refuse to let their unhealthy and destructive impulses interfere with your life. Engaging with them on any level is a no-win situation.
Novalis, I too believe that Casey was not jealous that Caylee was put into Cindy’s arms first. This is just a thought but from listening and watching the videos this is what I’ve come to believe.
I believe that Cindy has always and unknowingly given Casey ideas by providing answers instead of asking open-ended questions when something was wrong. Then Casey would use them in any way they fit her life style, whether it was go gain attention or sympathy from her friends or avoid getting in to trouble.
Cindy would use leading questions during the jailhouse visits, saying things like “Is someone threatening you?” So, I imagine that when Casey had Caylee and was acting indifferent to the baby, instead of asking her exactly what was upsetting her she was probably playing the guessing game. Such as “Are you angry because they handed Caylee to me first.” Casey then used those ideas to her benefit!
I’m sure when Casey lied about anything, while growing up, Cindy again gave her the answers and then accepted it as the truth.
It’s so complicated… so dysfunctional… but yet, how is a parent to know that they are doing the wrong thing until it’s too late?
Great discussion and points! My sis fostered emotionally disturbed children and the goal was to make them act normal so they could go out into society. It was scary to me that their behavior changed, but the mental problem was still there, covered up.
Therapist – that is very astute. I’m sure the “guessing game” we got during the jail visits was an exaggerated version due to the fact that so much was at stake, but Cindy seems so comfortable in the role we can easily imagine her doing all of the emotional identification work for Casey throughout her life so that she could pick out an appropriate emotion or reason or behavior that might seem to fit the occasion. She seems very used to giving her cues and prompts.
Val – it’s interesting – I think that all parents’ ultimate goal is to make sure our children can interact in healthy ways in society, we just hope we have children that can process things normally and eventually rely on empathy and intrinsic emotions to motivate them instead of learned behavior.
But ultimately, even if children cannot “feel” the same way as most of us do, they need to be taught they are responsible for their behavior and the consquences. That must have been very challenging but rewarding work for your sister.
I would go one step beyond what I mentioned above and say that I believe that Casey did not seek love from her parents. She wanted attention, gifts and money all spent on her. As she proved by killing her own daughter, love means nothing to her.
mytwocents – your earlier post about what you have directly experienced was very touching. I feel somewhat awkward discussing something so personal with someone I do not know yet, but the fact you shared with people you trust is always a good thing.
The more we can understand others the more we understand ourselves or vice versa, and that is always a good thing even if it is painful. Sometimes the most painful lessons are the most precious because they are so real and have such visceral impact. The easy ones seem a bit more ephemeral.
This case is helping us all examine and come to grips with our own flaws and shortcomings by allowing us a glimpse at what happens when others do not conquer their own. If that is true and we can use these lessons to help heal our own lives or better or behavior, then this little child left quite a legacy in her short life.
Love is a valuable tool for a sociopath. People who love you want to believe you and assume you have normal emotions and feelings. They will forgive, tolerate and make excuses for the sociopath because it is so difficult for a normal person to understand that the brain processes things completely differently. M counted on being loved.
Therapist – we might even go so far as to say that the reason Casey wanted those things is that they are often the manifestations of love.
The fact that she might not have craved love itself is that it was an emotion she could neither herself feel nor recognize as real – she could only relate to the superficial benefits it might bring when felt by others.
I also tend to think there is a huge emotional disconnect that spreads across the entire family. It may not have been a lethal combination with the others, but it sure was when she was added to the equation.
val, your sister is truly a beautiful person. What would happen to children such as you mentioned without the kind, loving souls who give so much of themselves to help guide these children in to society and provide the best life possible for them.
Val – that is so true. I believe the term professionals often use is that they are “instrumental” – using others as instruments to get satisfaction, simply manipulating others to satisfy their own needs.
It’s almost like they see everyone else as a robot – simply a tool to be used to get their needs met. What is sad is that they are the emotional robots, all hardware and no heart, and everyone around them is “real”.
I wish I could tell you they all had happy endings, but she did seem to impact the degree of trouble they encountered in their lives. No murderers, thank god, but the mental limitations and family associations still impacted their lives. She did get a few out of Special Ed classes who were misdiagnosed and they went on to college!
novalis and val… thank you for sharing your thoughts… I have to leave for a while.
novalis… you word things so beautifully! It’s as if you touch the most sad and tragic people with a gentle hand.
val… just from what you said I can tell that you’ve been a big part of your sister’s life and care deeply for all she has done. I’m sure that you’re as giving and kind as she.
Novalis, and MMT, I’ve enjoyed your insightful posts as well!
Val – she may have saved many lives. She did good work.
I am not mature enough to have the same sympathy for sociopaths as I have for other disabilities – I am just not that advanced yet.
I know that we will probably get to be more enlightened about the condition as science helps us know more. Right now it’s easier to take something we don’t understand and just say it’s evil. Years ago, many other mental conditions or illnesses were not seen as madness but possession by spirits or the wrath of God. Thank goodness we are working toward more compassion in learning about all of these things – I can’t help but believe that is what the best part of most religions is about, because if our creator didn’t have that level of compassion in forgiving our shortcomings, there are very few of us who would be around.
It’s often more of a “there but for the grace of God” regardless of how self-righteous or revolted we tend to feel. it’s easy to get a false sense of security because our own shortcomings seem so relatively benign compared with the things we see here.
This case makes me wake up every day and be grateful for the fact I have normal feelings. I cannot imagine how empty and claustrophobic existence would be without the beautiful detail that feeling both the painful and pleasurable experiences emotions have etched on my life.
Thanks to all of you today for giving me the opportunity to wind down and wax philosphic about all of this. It will help give me the buffer I need the next time I turn on Nancy Grace and feel like I want to hit the TV…lol!
Sociopaths just cause so much damage to the people who love them most, it’s hard if not impossible to be forgiving. There are degrees of the condition if the personality tests are at all accurate. I know what you mean though; what a horrible state to be in for life, not to feel connected, love, etc.
You do have an excellent writing style and intelligent expression, it’s a pleasure to read your philosophy!
If you listen carefully to the new jailhouse visits with Cindy and George, they (accidentally) admit that they believe Casey is a bad mother. At one point George is apologizing and saying ‘maybe we [meaning he and Cindy] were too domineering; maybe we didn’t let you be the best mother…” To me that clearly conveys the fact that he and Cindy felt she was a bad mother.
At one point Casey also refers to the fact that George and Cindy were good grandparents – she specifically used the past tense and then she corrected herself and used the present tense instead.
They all talk so much, like nonstop motor-mouths and they all accidentally let little truths slip through between all the lies.
thanks Val – I agree about all the damage they can cause. I read an interesting article about applying the precepts of sociopathic behavior in individuals to bosses and then organizations (and I suppose even countries). What an interesting angle!
Behavior that horrifies us when seen in individuals is sometimes taken for granted in larger entities. Enron, AIG, the list goes on.
Or even excused by society if it’s in the interest of a nation or culture. We’re getting better at recognizing that, but still have a ways to go I guess.
I am just hoping that science can step in someday and reduce all this localized damage by identifying the cause and creating a cure so that we don’t have to simply go on behavioral control for people. It would sure make life easier for both types of people.
It has been a pleasure reading your insights and experience – lots of good synergy today. I’m grateful!
Early intervention is key with parents and young children. People don’t value therapy or are afraid of it, sadly. Often however there are very early signs of problems. My son is 9, has a classmate he’s had for 4 yrs who lies, today recounting recent lie, he said “its easy to tell when he’s lying”….
It is one hope that some good could come out of this case…such as after the OJ simpson case, domestic violence became front and center across the nation for awhile, news and money for programs. If there are ways to help people to understand personality disorders better, and how to address behavior problems early on in …however it was Nicole’s sister who advocated on her sister’s behalf and in this case no one appears capable of being such spokesperson.
Yes today has been – I guess the best word I can think of is therapeutic. I kind of feel better. Not so angry and confused as I was. A little calmer and more clear headed. Thank you all for that! All your insights and points of view on the case have been wonderful.
To add one anecdote to Skippys at 7:30 – that C & G were putting down M as a mother even in the jail visit – M was talking about what she fed Caylee and said “I wouldn’t give her bagels and (something I don’t remember)” and her mother immediately said indignantly, “She likes bagels!” That brought m up short. Something she didn’t know about her own daughter. It put her in a bad light.
Nightingale, well you are the true professional of the bunch so your input is so valuable.
I doubt that Cindy will ever have an epiphany about this and go on to be any kind of advocate, but maybe this case will inspire others who have lived through something similar or some professional will write a book drawing attention to the problem using this as a case study, and the notoriety the media has bestowed will widen the audience. I sure hope it sends a message to grandparents everywhere that you just can’t ignore the danger signs and expect that bad things won’t happen.
Using functional MRI and other techniques, researchers can actually observe and measure, in real-time, activity in different parts of the brain; they use this information to understand how the structure and activity in the brain translates to behaviors, feelings/emotions, actions, etc. There have been some really interesting studies in the underlying neurological processes that produce the feeling of empathy.
One one study, patients were put into fMRI machine to measure brain activity real-time, and they were shown images of people in pain, laughing, crying, etc. Researchers discovered that the same parts of the brain that are responsible for producing the feeling of sadness (for example) become active when you look at someone who seems sad; the same parts of the brain that are responsible for producing the feeling of fear become activated when you see someone who seems frightened.
They call this the ‘mirror neuron system’ because in effect the brain is mirroring the emotions and feelings that we perceive in others. Hence the feeling of empathy. At least that’s what happens in a ‘normal’ brain.
In sociopaths, I would expect that there is some kind of deficiency in this ‘mirror neuron system.’ Something that prevents the normal response or something which distorts or dampens it…
I would love to see Casey and many of these other sociopaths (the Petersons, Van der sloot, etc.) in the lab!
mytwocents – that was an interesting point. The more I see of Cindy, the more I realize that Casey – even if she had been a normal little girl – had a long, hard, row to hoe, having that woman as her mother.
Some of the things she said in front of that girl to her friends, and possibly in front of Casey’s own daughter, just seem inexcusably cruel, even if they were true. Cindy and a sociopath were just a lethal combination.
Skippy – cool post! I love all that functional MRI stuff -all those cutting edge studies of how we are wired and how we can sometimes change the wiring – neuroplasticity – are so fascinating and have such incredible impact or portent in so many areas of health. Have you read The Brain That Changes Itself? Totally awesome book. You have fascinating insights – please keep them coming!
yes I understand this to be true, that wiring can be modified through experiences. But there would have to be a concerted effort.
I also thought the way Rick P. allegedy wrote Cindy was telling of what she and her family thinks is okay way to speak to one another. I believe two wrongs don’t make a right. He could have shared his concerns in more dignified manner, with equal level of concern.
Novalis at 8:17 – You said, “I doubt that Cindy will ever have an epiphany about this and go on to be any kind of advocate.”
I hope she does have an epiphany or some level of a “wake up call” but even then I would not want to hear a word out of her mouth before she finished 10 or more years of psychotherapy herself. She is not in a position to be an advocate of picking up the garbage (IMO). I mean it. She has so much to learn herself and so much to make up for (just counting from July 15 – nevermind the years before) that I pray she seeks a very quiet (I know -impossible for her) and retiring existence after this. Personally I wouldn’t be able to come out from under the bed I’d be so ashamed.
Novalis,
Me too, I’m fascinated by it and that is a great book (‘The Brain that Changes Itself’ by Norman Doidge). Have you read or seen anything from V.S. Ramachandran? I’m reading ‘A Brief Tour of Human Consciousness’ by him right now. You can find some really interesting videos on YouTube, etc. if you search by his name.
I think this stuff (neuroscience) is really going to lead to some amazing advances in medicine and mental health (better diagnosis and treatment for autism, OCD, Alzheimer’s, etc.) and probably also technology (imagine ‘thought-to-text’ software applications, etc.).
Maybe one day we’ll be able to strap people like Casey down on a table, and artificially induce the feeling of empathy by stimulating certain parts of her brain. She’d crack pretty quickly under the pressure of real remorse for what she’s done not just to Caylee but also her family and everyone else around her.
novalis said,in December 6th, 2008 at 12:40 am However, all well-constructed arguments should not be subjected to hysterical lynch mob mentality or sarcastic derision if they don’t match our conclusions – all of them help us formulate our own arguments much more coherently and cogently.
I think this is very well stated.
I agree entirely, I am open to other points of view, however want alternative theories to elaborate and show their logic. I will attempt to follow the logic. At some point in time we will each be called to jury duty and this blog could forseeably help prepare one for that; it’s not like arguing with family or friends, its strangers you’ve got to argue with.
Can anyone explain to me how it unfolded that Caylee did not respond when the name Zanny was brought up? Meaning C had inquired or had noticed incongrueties before she was missing? When was that?
Nightingale: G stated that Caylee didn’t respond to name Zanny in an early interview with LE. (If I’m remembering correctly, they didn’t ask–he just offered this info).
MMT’s 5:16 pm post: “Hmmmm “regardubg” new word. Can anyone tell me what it means?”
Certainly! 😉
Regardubg – def: refererence to a bug so twisted he’s barely recognizable!
TO ALL: GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS TO BLOG TODAY!!!
Nightingale,
It was stated by George in the FBI interview on August 7.
FBI was asking George about all of Casey’s lies and inconsistencies and at one point George brings up Casey’s story about going to Jacksonville to visit Jeff Hopkins (allegedly Casey’s friend) and his (non-existent) 4 year old son Zachary who Casey claimed was a friend of Caylee. Relevant snippets below.
FBI asks: Did you ever hear Caylee ever talk about Zachary?
George answers: [Shakes his head and whispers…] No, no. As a matter of fact we didn’t hear her bring up Zani’s name.
FBI: She never…?
George: Our granddaughter’s a pretty bright little girl.. No she never…
FBI: She never said Zani?
George: No
FBI: Never talked about her nanny?
George: No. Never said anything in that regards whatsoever.
FBI: Did she ever talk about Amy?
George: Not that I can recall.
FBI: Any of the names tht have come up…
George: No.
FBI: Looking back now have you heard Calyee mention any of those names…?
George: No.
FBI: at any point…?
George: No. No.
FBI: in time?
George: No. No. Most definitely no.
FBI: How about any of the other friends of your family, people that she sees on a regular basis over at your house? Are there any…
George: As far as my granddaughter would say…
FBI: Did she talk about uncle Lee?
George: Oh yeah, uncle ‘Eee.’ Oh yeah…
[skip some]
George: and his ‘almost fiance’ Mallory – ‘Mowy.’
FBI: ‘Mowy’
George: Yeah.
FBI: She’d talk about ‘Mowy?’
George: Yeah. Cause whenever we would mention uncle Lee’s name, ‘we’re gonna see uncle Lee today,’ she’d say ‘Mowy? Mowy?’ That was something could acknowledge…
FBI: She could associate people with…?
George: Right.
FBI: other people…?
George: Right.
FBI: and things like that? But you never heard her talk about Zani, or Jeff or Zachary?
George: Or Amy or any of these other friends of hers, no, I never heard my granddaughter say anything like that. Even if you’d ask her ‘did you have a good time with Zani today?’ [long awkward pause] There was never any… brightness or anything like that…
FBI: There was never any recognition on her part…?
George: No.
FBI: as far as you could tell?
George: None whatsoever. No.
FBI: Was there ever any… Did you ever hear Casey talk about these people while Caylee was there?
George: Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean she would just bring Zani’s name up [snaps fingers] just like that. You know, ‘we were at Zani’s house for such and such’ or ‘we met up with Amy’ or whoever it might be, you know.
[skip some]
George: For the age she is, I think she [Caylee] is a pretty bright little girl. But she never ever… Whenever you would bring up any of these names, you know, ‘did you see Amy today?’ or ‘how’s Zach?’ [pauses and shakes head]
FBI: No reaction?
George: There was never any reaction, at all. No.
FBI: When you asked her ‘how’s uncle Lee?’
George: Oh yeah, I mean she’ll… ‘Did you see uncle Lee today?’ and she’ll say ‘uncle Eee, Mowy.’ Yeah, always, oh yeah it clicks right there. That was definitely something.
Thanks for finding and post it, Skippy!
thank you. very important info.
No prob – I happen to think this is the most damaging [to Casey’s case] and important line of questioning released to date. Any reasonable person would see this as a sign that something is amiss.
They apparently never asked any follow up questions. They never bothered to figure out why the child was unable to remember or acknowledge the existence of people with whom she allegedly spent many days and nights.
Skippy – thanks for the info – he has been on my list but I am way behind. Nice to know it’s also on You Tube. I was associated with an organization that was excited about the potential of neuroplasticity advances to help physical ailments as well. The military is now looking at its application in treating pain and phantom limb pain from amputations. It’s such a cool field and is moving so fast in so many different directions. Research in one field often benefits another.
Nightingale – that is a great application for us to think about – it’s true we are likely to serve on a jury and it’s important that subjective emotions are shelved so that the verdict is reached only by the power of the evidence. I’m afraid I would have to disqualify myself if I were asked to serve on this jury. Half the time I feel like smacking Casey upside the head to shake the truth out of her, even though it would be useless and stupid. I think our frustration with this family and their mendacious manners makes us really restless and sometimes we snap at each other instead of directing our ire where it belongs in this case – the Anthonys.
I agree with you about how inappropriate Rick’s comments to Cindy were, but I also have to say I would not have the patience to deal with her as a sister. I would have been in “time out” half of our childhood dealing with her. I cannot believe she is as adamant and energetic as she is given the fact that she is probably on meds that would tranquilize large zoo animals at this point.
Skippy – got off on a tangent and forgot to thank you for that interview portion about Caylee from George. It is so telling that Caylee is only really familiar with close family members and not even Caylee’s recent friends, much less a nanny she told LE she had know for years.
It is one of quite a few things he says that I think are extremely revealing. They seem to accidentally or almost involuntarily leak out of him every so often as he is being questioned.
He is more on task when he is sticking to the “scripted” portions of the questions – making sure to give all the details about the gas can incident, the possible accidental drowning, the physical description of Caylee’s last day at home before she disappeared.
He tends to ramble and slip a bit more when open-ended questions are asked, or when he is finished with what seem to be explanations he and Cindy have corroborated and rehearsed.
They both seem to do it, but Cindy recovers quickly and quickly tries to undue any damage. It is really painful to watch.
hey am peps:) going back to read bbim
i thing c led m to say that zanni would harm someone if you listen c is the one who seems to be going in that direction, m is just following along! also have the ants reported thier email to poliece yet??? i do not trust them at all, i also have a feeling the baby is in bpark just my own feeling wish paddy would return sooner!
also about the food refrence m states that her and caylee are like the same little person, sad to be so jelous of your own daughter and sad that c would make it that way, you can love both
Good Morning I have to say I missed out on alot of great posting yesterday! I did read alot of them.
Hopefully my schedule is bck on track.. Been really tired and alot of holiday prep too.. and up watching cartoons late at night 🙂
Hi CIT… anna, mtc, and everyone!!!
Who is calling for the show today? its going to be interesting to hear the mystery guest!!!
also in one interview with on of m friends they say she paid her nany alot so is she now saying zanni watched her for free??? not sure on that
hi pammy, not sure if ill be here in x but i will listen later if i miss it, are you? did you get your baby on the right sleep schudle??? boy i do rember thoes days:) as my daughter grows i love it but still miss her being small
novalis post from 6:27
This case is helping us all examine and come to grips with our own flaws and shortcomings by allowing us a glimpse at what happens when others do not conquer their own. If that is true and we can use these lessons to help heal our own lives or better or behavior, then this little child left quite a legacy in her short life.
I just loved this post!!!
almost had missing girls y/day they went to mall c shopping didnt answer phone my older daughter went looking had them paged she was in tears talking to security then they walked by somehow they had turned the phone on silent scarry tho!
hi anna, yah that friday 6 am to 2 shift is a killer me and her literally fell asleep from 4 till 12 then she got up and stayed up till 3 watching cartoons!! lol
got us all messed up..
me too i took that shift to have friday nights off … but not to sleep them away!! I am old tho and i cannot keep awake. lol
I agree anna. From what I saw in the videos M is passive…answering questions. This is the first week in jail, reality has hit big time. Lee, George and Cindy have a list of questions for her, giving the impression in the past week, they’ve been racking their brains to leave no stone unturned. M, however does not make any indication of the same mindset, If I was unjustly put in jail I would be losing sleep, racking my brain over possible leads.
Another video observation: M talks to minister, story he tells is about laughter, finding it in your darkest moments. C says you don’t have to feel guilty about it. M never gave any indication she had felt guilt. She was merely saying the minister story made her feel better. It seemed C was imposing her own thought, she’d feel guilty if she was laughing at a time of crisis and dire emergency. she seems to be trying to help M know how one should behave.
AFTER READING THAT AGAIN, IT MAKES ME EVEN MORE SICK TO SEE HOW HE TREATS HER LIKE A PRINCESS IN THE VISITS. THAT GUY HAS NO SAC
oh my very scary!! You have to be like that today tho.. I am so careful when i go to places like the mall.. and when my fam takes mine i fret when they have her, I’m like don’t let go of her hand lol.. my sis goes you act like I haven’t raised 3!!! lol
how old are yours anna?
yep if i was i n jail and child was missing id be wanting to talk to le i wouldnt care what my lawyer said i would want my child home, id be the one asking them questions, but i think we know the reason for that!
hi guys.. I haven’t had time to see all the tapes the latest but just what I did see.. I was nauseated… when M asks C is there anything you want us to say to zanny a message, you can clearly see she doesn’t have anything really and is making up as she says it…”i forgive her”…??? and bring caylee back? i mean C asked her for the media sake to put it out there, and thats all shes got? not PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BRING MY BABY HOME! like a big long message.. it was answered short and breif, and not at all convincing
my youngest is 12 my g/d is 11 my oldre 2 are 27 +30 but i have 6 g/c my 12 yr old and g/d who is 11 are almost like sis even tho liza is her aunt, can be confusing, and thier at the age they want to do things w/out parents let them do some tell them all saftey rules, but somx things happen i told my daughter to give them a hug after she was mad, she was so scared
pammy i noticed not one family member has been on the media pleading for zanni to bring her back, not once its all about defending m
in fact ( and i have said it before) M’s own words will bury her…I am a believer in listening to a person what they have to say, and you can gleam alot from actions and words… now in those tapes was her moment and time to get her “truth” out be heard and it fell far short of a mom with a missing toddler.. it was mostly all about her in those tapes… and everyone who posted yesterday and the day before such good analysis.. and the person debra who said body language means nothing, and all that malarkey, well i say this.. we know that in an interview with a potential employer did you know that body language is the key to getting the job or not? I have read this time and time again, and it is what employers study and look for, and can mean alot of how you posture yourself and speak… so i think it does have merit, and body language experts study this stuff..I am just a lay person…
we need a new page this one is sooo slow
anna you do have a full plate then lol and alot of worries I am sure…lol i worry about mine when shes at that age when shes wanting to go out and about.. I guess I can’t smother her, but I am very guarded with her….
yah that was her moment to tell the world so to speak via cindy writing it down , and alls we got was i forgive her? return her? then back on to talk of how she looks and just silly talk
the more this case goes on I know this woman is going down, although when i read ret attorny saying mistrial i get nervous, for me to think of M someday walking the orlando streets again, just being out and about, is something I just cannot handle thinking about…
I have faith in the pros tho to prove this beyond doubt
yep thoes tapes tell alot, makes me sick when m refers to her and caylee almost same size and eat the same little food, she wants so much to be center of attention its pitifull! and why havent parents visited?? if my child was not guilty id be there every day, id be wanting to know how investigation is going, they are probably getting communication thru bb
i personally dont think m will make it if let out, there are some really angry and violent pep out there shed have to have a body guard
the parents aren’t there cause their busy doing the talk show circuits defending m…
and what is there to talk with her about? they know what she has done, what is there to chit chat about?
you would just visit to break up the monantmy(spelling) and show support if she was innocent but shes not!
yah i pictred her out and walking around and shopping and being home and its a thought I just cannot handle lol
I want justice, what i truly want is a confession. but it isn’t coming..I wnt M to step up to the plate and admit what she has done..one way or the other…you can get a different view on a person when there is admission….shes gonna take her chances that it can go 50-50
i pray the state has evedince we dont know about or they will find caylee before or during the trial i dont want her out parting ever!
and you know there is always a sympathiser out ther its sick, look all the killers on death row getting mail and marrige proposals its pretty sad!
and off topic but i followed the oj trial every detail, and when he wrote the IF I HAD DONE IT book, it was very very telling to me, he wrote it in hypothetical, but again I gleamed alot of info of how he felt at the time he committed the murders, and (the book was a confession) IMO… and i got some insight into the why? the mindframe he was in, not to say i feel sympathy but at least from his mindframe why he did it, and more of an understanding that there are always two sides toi things too…. one part in there talked alot about how his ears would not stop ringing, on the plane and how he mentions that again and again, saying to me how he physically felt afterwards, and giving insight into his mind…he was driven by rage and jealousy…
watched the show lockup extended and it shows the inmates lifes they get all sorts of pep writing them one even had afar with a staff(she was fired) but they got married
i never saw that book, maybee il go to library and request it
M could do alot for her own case if she would have come out and spoken, early on, and even now….she has said nothing,
i think she has wanted to cooperate but bb wont let her it would ruin his star time, hes not even a good attny i shure wouldnt want him to represent me
CINDY ” YOUR GETTING THIN” CASEY “IVE BEEN THIN” SHE THINKS SHE IS THE CATS MEOW AND EVEN NOW SITITNG IN JAIL SHE IS HAPPY AS A CLAM THAT ONE, SHE IS NOW FAMOUS OR INFAMOUS, TWO, HER PARENTS ARE EATING OUT OF HER HAND, THREE, SHE HAS NO MORE MOMMY DUTIES, AND FOUR, THE DUMB BEOTCH REALLY THINKS SHE WILL GET OUT OF ALL OF THIS AND GO BACK TO THE LIFE SHE WANTED WITHOUT CAYLEE. SHE PROBABLY WANTS TO KILL HER MOTHER FOR CALLING 911 IN THE FIRST PLACE AND CINDY KNOWS IT, THATS WHY SHES SO NICE TO HER THEY ARE BOTH AFRAID OF HER. I BET THEY HAVE SEEN EVERY ONE OF CASEYS MOODS IN HER LIFE AND KNOW FULL WELL WHAT SHE IS CAPABLE OF. CINDY ASKED HER JULY 15 “WHAT DID YOU DO?” BUT FAILED TO MENTION THAT TO LE OR FBI BUT LEE REMEMBERED…..
maybee we should move to yr blog this is going very slow what do you think??
yes its very very telling, he tells why and how you get a different viewpoint of the why.. from his damaged mindframe, it was insane jealousy why he killed her and ronald was just a casualty.. he was driven by jealousy over her… and he talks in detail about how he did it, and then he alwys says well IF I HAD DONE THIS, this is how it happened.. always making sure to say IF but it was the confession, and i noticed things he wrote like how much blood, the ears ringing… he was consumed by her, and from his tale he claims he tried to get back with her and she would toy with his mind about it, ( again not sympathizing at ALL) but you see how he felt at the time he did this…
and I dont wanna say I feel sorry for o.j. simpson!!! LOL not saying that I just know that book was a confession and at least from his mind we know why in his mind he did it…he needed help he really did… but people don’t get help you know
yah this one is soo slow where to move?
i think c is mad at herself for calling i think if m had her way and c gave her 1 more day no one would know caylee was missing and mm would be out parting again(pretending to look) did you hear when she said abut the circumstances for stealing from amy?? what a crok!
I THINK IF CINDY DIDNT CALL 911 THAT NIGHT WE WOULD BE BLOGGING ABOUT ANOTHER DOUBLE MURDER AT 4937 HOPE SPRING DRIVE
anna what was the amy part ? I missed that?
I STILL SAY THE MYSTERY GUEST TODAY IS SEAN KRAUS.. CANT WAIT!!!
how about young and restless dec 5?
she said something about telling amy she was sorry and she was under duress when she did that, not sure wich segment it was in but its bs duress buying underwear, clothes and beer?
sorry she said out of desperation, ha to go look i wrote it yesterday when listining!
ANNA GEORGE WAS TALKING TO HER AND HE ASKED HER IF SHE “BORROWED OR TOOK” ANYTHING FROM ANYONE AND SHE SAID NO I FEEL BAD FOR WHAT I DID TO AMY BUT I WAS DESPERATE.. GEORGE SAID WHAT DO YOU MEAN DESPERATE AND SHE GOES ON TO TELL HIM ITS BEING RECORDED SHE CANT SAY BLA BLA FREAKIN BLAH. WHAT HER ANSWER REALLY WAS BUT DIDNT SAY (ONLY IN HER MIND) DAD I WAS DESPERATE, I HAD A NEW BOYFRIEND I NEEDED TO IMPRESS SO I WAS DESPERATE FOR SOME LINGERIE AND BEER DONT YOU UNDERSTAND ITS ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEE
SHE WAS DESPERATE. WE ALL SAW WHAT SHE DID WITH THE MONEY SHE STOLE FROM AMY. SHE IS SUCH AN IDIOT ITS LAUGHABLE REALLY.
IM HAVING PUMPKIN PIE FOR BREAKFAST LOL AND ITS SNOWING HER FIRST OF THE SEASON.. HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!!!! I JSUT GOT THE HOLIDAY SPIRIT ALL A SUDDEN. MERRY CHRISTMAS CAYLEE WE ALL LOVE YOU AND ARE FIGHTING FOR YOU UNLIKE YOUR WHACK JOB FAMILY
mmt has the link to yr at dec 6 @ 2:05 if you guys wanna go there?
toni suppose she didnt expect the vidios showing her despratly purchsing laungeree& beer very desprate huh?
sorry had to jump off are we moving? if so postthe link for the others, this one is bogged down
OH EXACTLY SHE DIDNT EXPECT ANY OF THIS STUFF TO COME OUT, BUT NOW THAT IT HAS THE CHARADE IS OVER. AND THEY ARE STILL SINGING HER PRAISES EVEN AFTER SEEING ALL OF THE INTERVIEWS, PICTURES, WEB SEARCHES ETC ETC ETC THE SCAMTHONYS NEED TO WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GET THEIR HEADS OUT OF CASEY’S ASSHOLE FOR 5 MINUTES AND SEE THE LIGHT
ok I am moving here come on everyone!!!!
http://www.bloggernews.net/118883
new article guys on young and restless…
118883
AND MORK AND MINDY ARE GOING TO BE ON LARRY KING AGAIN DEC 10 SINGING CASEY’S A GREAT MOM AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE CAYLEE’S DEAD. WHY DO THESE PEOPLE LARRY KING, MEREDITH VIERA ETC ETC ALL CATER TO THESE MORONS?
ISNT THAT A SOAP OPERA? WHAT YOUNG AND RESTLESS?? A NEW SITE?
OK
when the blog gets overly full of comments some people’s computers get slow, until new Jan article for the meantime pick up on Young and restless blog for open blog space where Caylee blog continues.
We have MOVED temporarily to article # 118883 called
“The Young and The Restless : Soap Update for December 5, 2008 “
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