Friday saw the long awaited release of the forensic evidence found by the FBI and the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in mother Casey Anthony’s car. Certainly there was no new news, the vast majority of the findings were leaked to the press weeks ago.
What caught my attention was not what was said, but the manner in which it was said. The English language is full of nuances and subtleties that put spin on what is being said. In some ways you can compare it to the glass half full, or glass half empty situation, optimism versus pessimism. Note the very subtle difference between the following two phrases “is consistent with†and “is not inconsistent withâ€. At first sight these phrases have the same meaning, but they don’t, the first one is the upbeat optimistic and positive phrase, the second is the double negative pessimistic version.
So what did the prosecutors say yesterday?
About the hair found in the car trunk –
“This hair is microscopically similar to the Caucasian head hair recovered from the q15 hairbrush, however a more meaningful conclusion can not be reached as this is not a suitable known hair sample.â€
“Therefore, neither Casey Anthony nor Caylee Marie Anthony can be excluded as the source of the Q12.1 hair.â€
About the hair sample on the shovel –
“Therefore, both Casey Anthony and Caylee Marie Anthony can be excluded as the source od the Q46.2 hair.â€
About the odor analysis –
“It is important to note that gasoline was found in the vehicle trunk which presented a significant chromatographic signal and overlapped with approximately 41% of the chemicals typically observed in decompositional events.â€
“….indicates that a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle is consistent with a decompositional event that could be of human origin.
Note the use of the words ‘could be’ rather than ‘is’.
“These results still do not rule out the remote possibility that an unusual variety of products or materials (not present at the time of vehicle discovery) may have had some contribution to the overall chemical signature.â€
A seasoned trial lawyer will make mincemeat out of these reports in a courtroom. Jose Baez et al must be rubbing their hands with glee! For the prosecutors to make a murder one wrap stick they better have an ace or two up their sleeve. While few of us doubt her guilt, this evidence doesn’t stand a cat in hells chance of getting a conviction. Juries are notorious for disliking cutting edge scientific methodology, the evidence becomes an acronym soup of mumbo jumbo far beyond high school biology classes. When you combine that with the scientists own disclaimers it is no wonder that often scientific evidence becomes a hindrance rather than an asset in obtaining a conviction.
All quotes taken directly from the released documents, they are available here.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThanks Simon. I do not dispute you at all. However, I do believe LE has more than they have shown, that there is a great chance Caylee’s remains will be found, and that the overwhelming circumstancial evidence will get a conviction of at least manslaughter. Plus there are 4 counts of lying to police which there is irrefutable evidence of, and enough evidence on the check charges to get time in prison. If all they can do is get her behind bars for 25 years, then at least she woun’t be out having more babies, and the better part of her pole-dancing days will be over.
That being said, I STILL hold big hope for a murder one conviction.
I have to agree simon that it is not real clear on hard evidence.. from what I heard though,they said that a live caylee hair and then a decomposed hair can be found in that trunk, so that is now up to the defense to dispute why a live caylee hair and then a dead one??? i did hear that… there will be a conviction, no doubt or fears about that, just on what charge though stumps me, I am getting confused.. anyone wanna help me with what all I missed yesterday??
SAME crap as usual from the scamthony camp !!
SAME LIES !! same spin
AND WITH THEIR FAVORITE WORD,,” ABSOLUTELY ”
“Today’s released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn’t any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey’s daughter is still alive.”
BULL ! THE DNA EVIDENCE IS SOLID !
1. The hair with the death band is from caylee or casey !
2. The % odds of the dna being from anyone else is very very low almost 1/1,000,000 or something like that,, but it is possible
Todd Black, of the PR Firm (Let ME Confess FOR YOU!) probably wrote that (see ACT’s 9:42 am post with quote).
Hey, Todd, her name is CAYLEE!!!!
She wasn’t even three years old! And as far as committing “any crime” how about misplacing your daughter and not reporting it to anyone – ever! Until your mom blurted it out to the cops! Sounds like a crime to me!!!
I agree with you Arrest Cindy Today – the entire Ant camp is disgusting! (I like the “scamthony camp.” That’s good.
You’re right Simon! You have to disect every sentence word for word that comes from either side. Nothing is said without great thought and preparation.
I believe 100% that she is quilty. I used to feel sorry for Cindy…now she’s just pissing me off. I do expect her to support her own kid, but her laughable “good mother” comments are an insult. Doesn’t she remember that we’ve heard all of her taped conversations and 911 calls accusing her daughter of all kinds of dispicable things??
I support the death penalty on this case! If she didn’t want to be a mother any more than give the kid to someone who does.
Simon,
I have followed this case from it’s beginning. I am the father of two daughters, so I have a heightened interest. Caylee looks a lot like my oldest daughter at that age! So, I hurt everytime I see her! Heck, I hurt regardless when any child, let alone my own, is injured or killed!
I agree with you. I didn’t feel like this evedinece was IT! I guess a lot will be depend upon how this evedience is presented in court and whether is stands up to cross examination. But for Baez to say that, “it’s not in my client’s best interest to reveal what she knows about Caylee’s disappearence”, can’t be overlooked. Also, Todd Black’s slip of the tounge on CNN, referring to, “the loss of life of this little girl” is significant too!
I do think that LE has something else for this case we haven’t seen. I heard a cellphone expert from Casey’s provders on TV say, ” Just forget everything surrounding this case. All the lies, Casey’s families involovement and public attention on this case. Without my revealing LE’s hand, we have enough proof here to covict her! This record of her trail is overwhelming and will be difficult for anyone to defend!” He said, “trust me, I have testified at many cases that brought a conviction with much less information than we have here!We can pinpoint her exact location at the exact time of day!This is my opinion, is very damaging evedience against Ms. Anthony! It’s a ‘no-brainer’ for a jury!”
I assume this person will provide a detailed look at the pattern of cell pings and information much more specific than the scientific information released yesterday. The defense may contest the validity of the scientific evendience, but there are many other forms of eveidence that they’ll have to address. The cellphone pings and technology could hold the biggest key in the case.
I keep wondering why noone has asked for Casey’s tax forms. We had child care for our children their entire early childhood. We had to do a background check of our provider, file taxes on the care with our provider and vice versa, had a paper trail of checks written to our provider and exchanged numerous detailed “emergency” information with our babysitters.
There are holes all over this Zanidea/babysitter story! Casey’s tax information would provide answers to the questions concerning her method (lack of) employment and income status. Too many, changes of stories and theories in this case. Too many trails to cover up. It’s my hope that the prosecutor will leave no stone unturned!
This may sound outlandish, but when I hear Casey talk about “Zenida” I think she’s talking about herself! I think she made this other person up to distance herslef from the crime and hurt of killing Casey. She says, “not everything I’ve said is a lie.” I think this means, she is Zanidea. “She’s the last person I saw Caylee with”. Could she be telling the truth? Casey=Zanidea.
I do know this! Nothing that Baez or Casey says concerning thie chance to tell the truth, will make me say, “Oh I completely understand!” NOTHING! Recent delvelopments of a young boy abducted by “drug cartel” in Las Vegas prove to me that Caylee would be back with no harm after all of this attention. For God’s sakes, drug dealers brought the boy back alive after public outrage.
I ache for Caylee’s soul, understand Casey’s parents “inconditional love’ and hope and pray Caylee’s remains are found! As far as Casey’s concerned. She and her family will have to live with what they know the rest of their lives. That may be the worst punishment one could ever deliver!
Dan
Simpsonville, SC
Dan, wonderful post! well said…
Hello Simon: I agree the language nuances are truly important.The fact that most of these facts were leaked earlier certainly did lessen the impact of the findings, however one must envision these facts which we have known about for months being presented in totality to a jury.The facts will unfold like a murder mystery novel and many of the deductions made by the jury will,one hopes, be based on common sense deductions…the initial report by Cindy in a panic, the lying,the jail calls, the cover ups the various strange twists and turns, etc.etc. Unfortunately the jury will be hobbled by the rules of decision making according to the judge.I do feel though that the downfall of Casey will depend largely on her own words and actions and those of her family. Do not forget that we have as yet to hear from the prosecution as to whether this will be a murder one charge or not and why Baez has not requested a speedy trial. One can only hope for the discovery of a body. We can see the direction of the defense case by the Kobelinsky statements on NG last night…doubt, doubt, doubt!!! I believe that without a body the best we can hope for will be manslaughter.
Coco – My regard for C has gone down the same road. The kindest thing I can say at this point is that she should be in a padded room for her own sake and everyone else’s (including G). She’s not even helping little Caylee. I don’t think she has been since sometime the night of July 15th when she realized that the child really was dead – then she went nuts.
And Dan from SC -Great post and thank you for info about cell pings and the reminder that there is other evidence we don’t know about that will help convict her.
Hey, Coco, Dan from SC and Arrest Cindy Today!
bloggernews.net provides articles on this case frequently and a bunch of us are following the case closely as you are.
This is a great blog and I hope you stick with us or at least join us when your time permits.
In case you look in and don’t know what/who we’re talking about here’s the “key:”
LE = Law Enforcement (the cops)
C = Cindy
G = George
LV = LeeVick (so nicknamed after kicking over the water bowl of a peaceful protester’s dog)
BB = Baez (stands for Big Butt, Butterball, BoBo the clown etc)
Count – Frilly Count or Count Dracula = Mark Nejame, criminal defense lawyer for C & G
Ants = Anthonys (usually all of them or at least three)
And last and definitely LEAST is M (stands for murdering maggot monster etc) – You probably don’t need more clues as to who that stands for.
Most of us never use “M’s” name because we do not want to add to her notoriety/celebrity. The name we want the spotlight on is Caylee. So that’s why we came up with these – plus they’re just shorter to type!
So please come back and join us when you can!
I have to go to work, I’ll check back tonight. I missed alot. and to the old blog, and all the bickering
GROUP HUG!!!
I’m going now bye bye
Hi, pammyliz! Hug back! We’ll have to wait for our more learned bloggers to come back to answer some of your questions about the case, okay? I would if I could but I don’t want to get it wrong. Have a great day and “see” you later!
salukisighthound -‘morning! Great comments! And I particularly appreciated “I do feel though that the downfall of Casey will depend largely on her own words and actions and those of her family.” They have well and truly done themselves in! We can only hope for a jury that HAS common sense and will act on it.
No matter what has happened to little Caylee it is M who is responsible for it and should be held responsible. (“Held” preferably for 25 to life if that’s the best we can get!)
I don’t think the jurors are going to be swayed by the lack of DNA, The percented of the testing are on the greater side of possiblities.
Exp: If you need 100% proof, but you have only 80%. I think the jurors would concluded the differents…Plus, the juror has to take in the other evidence at hand… Momster had 31 days to cover up a crime. Thats alot of time…
Anyone who is anyone will figure that out….
It may not be a death or life sentence but it will be a good amount of time….
Right, alliethinks!
I sort of wish she would plead guilty now, tell the truth (probably not even possible for her) and get it over with. Can she possibly think that she’s going to walk away from this? Not be held accountable in any way for Caylee?
Maybe her idiotic lawyer has her believing so.
But how can that be now that he’s brought in Lemon (the death penalty expert lawyer)?
Can’t anyone talk any sense into her?
NG experts said it best,” Momster is in a Lawyers bubble,” The only thing on momster mind is the day she can start her life over with no Caylee….
She has no remorse towards Caylee, non!
She is living on the high hopes that Bobo and lemon are going to creat enough reasonable doubt in the minds of the juror to set her free….
Ain’t going to happen, Plus, I would like people to refer Caylee as a 2 years old toddler, other then a 3 year old. That child was not nor did she have the opportunity to turn 3…Saying the age of 3 gives the defense more reasonable doubt cause that tells people Caylee made it to the age 3.. ANd that she was not killed back in June…
regarding comment from Dan in sc. I particularly was interested in your comment regarding M=Zenaida. I always focused on that comment as well, the hesitation in M’s voice when she made the comment”Zenaida is the last person I saw my daughter with”. Very possible knowing the convoluted way in which she thinks!
Yes I think it’s awful that most of the press refers to Caylee as “3 years old” when she never got a chance to see three candles on a cake. Better to say “almost” or “nearly” or “not yet” 3 year old, Caylee Anthony.
It’s disrespectful and you’re right, alliethinks, it helps perpetuate the false hope/idea that she was alive at least until then (Aug 9) or may still be alive. We pray for that but most of us don’t believe it, sadly (thanks to M and the rest of the “scamthonys.”)
Well if Momster thinks the movie ” American Psycho,” is a favorite in her book. It goes to show you that creating a split personality is easy way for her to keep composure.
Media referred Laci as the age she was last seen and the trimister that her baby was in, 8 months.
Reguardless of an age change the toddler went missing at 2…
We shouldn’t even be using the word 3,
Even the media is playing the age of Caylee being 3, but thats not the truth. No one knows that Caylee made it to Three, so why say it…
M2C, your right use a different term for the age…. Like stating the facts that Caylee would be 3 years old if found.
I guess I’m over reacting a little..
When this all goes to trial, I’m sure the state is going to wear out the age of CAylee being a 2 year old toddler…and not ever making it to the age of 3….
alliethinks – No you are not overreacting at all. This poor child deserves all the respect we can give her and her age is very important!!! To think that a child did not get to see her third birthday because her mother was too selfish is enough to make us all sick!
(Call in the CDC! They’ll eradicate M right quick!)
Maybe we should just be as factual as possible and say something like “Caylee Anthony, who would have been 3 years old on Aug 9” or “Caylee Anthony, who was about 2 years and 10 months old when she disappeared.” Or simply “2 year old Caylee Anthony.”
I’m for that! Poor little tyke.
alliethinks – when I read “that creating a split personality is easy way for her to keep composure” I giggled thinking, “Well, it should be! But wouldn’t you think that one of her personalities would have the sense to tell the other one to try to look like she really missed her daughter?” And then I realized that, no. Whether M has one or a hundred personalities none are that compassionate nevermind intelligent.
Great post Dan! I was disappointed at the phraseology used by the forensic science report. I’m sure that is why it took so long; they really wanted to nail it and couldn’t. I’d like to know the percentage of car trunks in the US with that chemical composition however. What are the odds it happened to poor M at this particular time? The circumstantial evidence is truly overwhelming, and cannot be explained away in its entirety.
this ehole case has gone from unbelievable to just sad, for one the hair came from one of 2 people one who is obviously alive, not to many people have a decomp smell in thier trunk, i might have believed the ants if they had ever gone on a hunt for thier grandaughter, or if m had called the first day, the whole family is trying so hard to make m look like mother of the year while no one has given any thought to a innocent child, m behavior alone looks guilty to me, i hope tim and paddy find evedince of a body, or le has a little more evedince that they arent sharing, i suppose its in gods hands now i can only pray with the rest of you there will be a big break.
Simon – Your article echoes the same fear and frustration we’re all feeling right now (shades of OJ trial).
However, I must admit I – (thankfully) – don’t have to read many such reports and wonder if that is normal science-speak these days, using verbiage that is not about positive conclusions but simply probabilities in delivering these test. Other testimony might be able to be use less restricted language than scientists to describe their impressions.
I’m sure that even cell pings aren’t absolutely precise because more than one tower in an area can be used at any given time, although they certainly narrow the playing field in pinpointing general location.
I am beginning to think that we need to simply trust how this data will help add to the probability of a well-constructed REASONABLE explanation given the tsunami of other circumstantial evidence that basically eliminates any other feasible scenario. No one piece of data is a slam dunk but together they are chillingly compelling.
Let’s face it, Casey lied on her original police report the night she was found by saying she most definitely dropped Caylee off at the “nanny’s” on June 9, despite larding her statement with copious detail and being given several chances to revise it after it sounded odd. It wasn’t until police examined the dated photo of Caylee on 6-15 at the nursing home that Cindy revised her theory that it was the last time she saw her.
If you can’t even fabricate a single excuse that can be corroborated from minute one, then any other scenario you ask others to believe instead is equally implausible.
Dan, Coco and others, welcome. I hope you find this blog as cathartic and lively as I do.
Dan, I think the complete absence of any nanny records, including emergency numbers, is totally telling because Cindy and George looked after her most of the time – unless she was tagging along with her mom. Until June, no one had heard much about any “nanny”, just a local babysitter who watched Caylee on infrequent occasions. Cindy and George were as surprised as the general public about the Zani story, but they had to hide it because, they too I suspect, had only heard the name after Casey left home, and could not react to the public about their complete unfamiliarity with this person without blowing their daughter’s cover. I am sure Cindy asked her a billion times about this new “nanny” when she supposedly accompanied Casey to Tampa and got such a mouthful that she thought she knew. She may not have ever gotten a straight response from Casey about any details (her number is in the phone I just lost, transferred my SIM card, blah blah blah). And at the point Casey was constructing her nanny story, she was in complete control of the situation, supposedly withholding visits due to moving out after the big blowup. I’m sure C and G felt they were walking on eggshells asking her for the time of day.
The jury will immediately see that creating an elaborate story about a non-existent nanny right around the time a child goes missing does not point to kidnapping but something far more sinister. I don’t think we need a shred of forensic evidence to plant that seed in the minds of jurors.
allie – fabulous points about her age! referring to her as age 3 only reinforces the silly kidnapping theory, which was tossed well before her third birthday came and went in August.
IF they found a CADAVERIC hair in the trunk, and it is either Casey’s or Caylee’s, then OBVIOUSLY it is Caylee’s since at last documentation-Casey is ALIVE–so it can also be concluded that Caylee is DEAD. See how the media leads down the path of BS?
Beans I think you are right about the words chosen because of science and absolutes. Mtdna means you can trace the mother’s side of it which means only partial strand. They can only say that it was M or Caylee’s hair. Well if it is decomposed hair and M is sitting the court room. natural conclusion is that only realistic possiblity is Caylee. who no one knows is at. As far as chain of evidence on the car, tow company had no keys, therefore had no access to interior of car or trunk. Unless they can prove it was pried open that will not wash. If they want to say a body was placed it in at the Ants home. O.k. still limits both the guilty and victim. Every needs to remember a grand jury came back with a true bill in 30 minutes. That would seem to me that they had alot more evidence than this. Plus we don’t know the dates of missing website searches, Chloroform searches, and how they were searched ie. get your toddler to sleep or how to kill a toddler? The LE science computer people will know how to find that info. They also may have records of what was erased off of myspaceor facebook. They haven’t released alot of stuff yet. Trust me this case is SOLID. Finding Caylee will only bring closure and futher evidence. M is gonna be convicted.
I also thought it interesting that reports mention gasoline in trunk. Maybe M didn’t use the gas to burn body or evidence maybe she poured it in trunk to try and kill the smell. Can’t use argument that there was not a body when she ditched car becasue her own texts messages reference the smell in the car before she ever ditches it. Even sent text messages. If LE has copies of messages she sent about it. That will be better than her testifying… cause you can bet her defense will try and never let her on the stand.
Where is Lisa Williams for this case?? I think this kid is in several locations and that the landfill should be reviewed as well as the dumpster by the boyfriend’s house.I think the FBI has more info. on this case, or there would not have been an indictment. I think there has been ” a lot of schooling ” since the OJ trial…
subee I agree grand jury would have told them to come back later. This is too big a case to go forward with if there is not enough evidence. We are just letting media and BB defense plant seeds of doubt. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN M WILL BE CONVICTED. EVERYONE CAN WRITE DOWN WHAT I SAID AND WHEN. I was even right on the time of the grand jury. If this was all the LE had I would agree it is suspicious, but how many of us have read Annie’s interview with LE, or the mechanic friend? Seen dates for web searches, and know all the cell tower pings and places and times. We also only have general info about cadavier dogs and where they actually hit, We have heard alot about some things, but a case needs to be presented logically and totally in order to be honestly decided. The only people to hear all the evidence LE has so far is GJ and it took only 30 minutes. There were experts who thought it would take longer even a day or two to go through. THere is a reason it was that fast.
“You see, Pinocchio, a lie keeps growing and growing until it’s as plain as the nose on your face,” explained the Blue Fairy.
Even Geppetto went frantically searching for Pinocchio when he went missing.
Good afternoon everyone!
good afternoon Ca so what are your thoughts on the “new” evidence.
Justice for Caylee Puzzle.
I’d like to start creating our own “Justice for Caylee Puzzle” on this site. I will post the starting point in a few minutes. I’m not sure how many of you will want to go along with this, but I think it will be great for us to compile a list of puzzle pieces that creates a picture of Casey as being guilty of first degree murder. Then we will be able to see how many of our pieces are actually used in the trial. We can always add or subtract to it as we go along.
Anytime you want to add a piece to the puzzle, please start your post with the words:
“ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE” That way your post won’t be missed. I’ll start my next post with that sentence. If no one is interested… I totally understand and will simply drop it. It’s just an idea I had.
C4C – I was under the impression we would have ” a smokin gun” I was disappointed as I skimmed over much of the “mubo jumbo” as to not find something more damning…I mean, maybe they would of summed it up in more laymens terms might sound better to me…
I really didn’t see anything we haven’t already heard…Not happy with things at the moment. I have been thinking for a while now that since the 30 minute GJ verdict..( which worked out to be only 5 mins delib. on each count)…blew me away…that they heard alot more then we know about. They are NOT allowed to talk about the case for a reason I guess. The biggest proof yet is not for public or better yet, jury tainting….I am feeling very impatient that things are continuing to move so slowwwww….and Nov 8 still seems so damn far away…I hold out hope and faith that god does not let M get away with murder and he will guide the ES team and our sweet paddy to our baby’s remains and get the last nail pounded into M’s coffin…I hate her so much!..she needs to suffer….long time.!
MMT – that’s a great idea (i’ve been listening again to George’s interview and taking notes).
It it all so confusing, that it would be good to have a compendium in one place.
Hi CA, subee and scj!
re: gasoline in car trunk, I think that can be explained by the cans she had stolen from the shed that George retrieved in that little confrontation on 6-24. He also mentioned in his interview, btw, that he had reported the cans missing because there had been other minor thefts, gas missing, around the neighborhood for awhile. And he said he thought his daughter had been stealing gas because he saw gas marks on the side of her car that would happen if it was poured from a can. don’t know if the cans were still full or if she’d used them, but spillage from them being there would have certainly explained that.
Ca I KNOW that is going to happen.
ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE
Great comments today! Although, we were a little disappointed to hear that LE didn’t have more evidence than what we were already exposed to, there is no reason to lose confidence in the case. Keep in mind that the prosecution team will slowly fit the pieces of the puzzle together until the picture is clearly completed and the jury will plainly see, without reasonable doubt, that M is guilty of premeditated murder.
In most cases a defense attorney will announce that there is not enough evidence to convict their client, M’s attorneys are no different and, as you can see, they are already playing that card. But let’s not forget the pieces of the puzzle! Remember, AFTER Caylee disappeared, that it was:
o M’s child who is missing
o M who was last seen with Caylee
o M who failed to report Caylee missing
o M’s car with evidence of human deposition
o M’s car with hair evidence of a death band
o M’s car trunk where cadaver dogs hit
o M’s backyard where cadaver dogs hit
o M who had a motive to be carefree and party
o M’s hours of idle time which provided opportunity to plan and execute
o M who looked up missing children’s sites on her computer
o M who looked up recipes for chloroform on her computer
o M’s lies that sent LE on a wild goose chase, wasting valuable time
o M who lied to her parents and friends for two years about having a job
o M’s lack of emotion and sorrow for her missing daughter
o M not revealing to anyone that Caylee was missing
o M’s carefree actions & attitude that appeared as if nothing happened
o M’s unwillingness to help LE locate her daughter
o M happily dancing while her daughter is missing
o M getting a tattoo, representing “A Beautiful Life”
o M’s mom who reported that the car smelled of decomposition
o M who stole checks from Amy & purchased items, but none for Caylee
o M who is unable to provide even one REAL person involved in her story
o M who called from jail, saying “All they care about is finding Caylee”
o M who borrowed a shovel from a neighbor
o M who was out near a remote area of the airport
I’m sure that I missed many other pieces to the puzzle that you can help me with.
So, if you have a missing piece to add to our puzzle, please start your comment with the words ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE so that your post will not be missed. Let’s see how many of our puzzle pieces are actually used in the trial.
I feel like we are a justice for Caylee team!
CA – i know what you mean, as stupid as I think G and C were in dealing with that girl, i have a feeling she just wore them down over the years with her persistent and elaborate lies. they were just numb and battered. well, at least G was – I think C had simply met her match.
it’s funny that G described C and M as having the same types of personality in his interview. That’s a conclusion the general public seems to have reached in the matter of a couple of weeks watching their behavior. Different, but definitely similar.
I totally agree with this. I think that anyone can convey anything they want people to beleive with creative word use. I actually am sceptic to Casey’s guilt. Yeah, ok, she didn’t call the police, no one is acusing her of having brains. Caylee should be the main focus.
c4c…you say you KNOW she will be convicted?
MMT – great list. nothing really to add, maybe revise – we might not be able to judge the fact that M did not buy anything for Caylee at Target as proof she was murdered. Remember M claims, in retrospect, that Caylee was already “missing” then and so she wouldn’t have to justify purchasing items for her because she “doesn’t know” where she is. It fits in with her ridiculous alibi, but I think the jury will still be shocked at how carefree she managed to act during this whole time.
o.k. not having brains is one thing…. in all these months she has never looked for Caylee. only cried when it was about herself.
cecybeans, thanks… I was excited to read your message and find that you’re all for creating the puzzle list. This will truly pull us all together, as a team, in wanting to see Justice for Caylee.
Please go over my list and see what pieces you can add… I already thought of a couple after reading your comment but I will wait for your reply.
Maybe we can post the list on the first day of every month.. or maybe we can ask Jan to post it somewhere else for us to look at. What do you think?
Jan, if your reading this, please give us some ideas.
Most…CAYLEE is our main concern that is why we are praying she is found and trying to figure out how and why M would do such a horrible thing…not calling police for 31 days to me screams cover up…not brainless…heartless maybe, but everyday that she didn’t call was another day to party without the responsiblity of being a mother to her little ‘SNOT HEAD’…and another day the remains of HER CHILD..decompose more leaving little to no evidence in her mind to convict her….she is GUILTY OF ALLOWING WHAT EVER THE TRUTH IS, TO HAPPEN TO HER DAUGHTER. Her baby is dead and she is responsible for NOT protecting her and there for causing her death.
and I think it’s even more ominous and creepy that she was telling Amy and others that her parents had already/or would soon leave the house – divorcing, mom getting a condo in Winter Park, etc. and that she was living there herself with Caylee cuz they had left it to her. makes you wonder what her long term plans might have been….
Yes… there is enough evidence for a conviction. Can I say murder one…not yet until we see more evidence. BUt yes I truly believe she will be convicted and they will find her body.
beans…having the house to herself…yup..mom and dad are JUST LEAVING IT FOR ME…in her fantasy island world…
c4c – Counting on LE’s ace up their sleeve i know they have one.
CFC – I still say the body will not prove murder one – a body with attending cover-up could still be an accidental homicide, unless they could prove a violent cause of death absolutely – head trauma, choking, etc. Even the chloroform evidence could still be a felony manslaughter. It’s all the circumstantial evidence before and after that will make it look pre-meditated.
you might be right. however the searches that she did on her computer depending on the nature of questions in reference to chloroform, and then the missing children’s site could be enough to prove premediated.
heck, the evidence they have already, all the testimony and lies and BS from that whackadoodle. I think they could do it now without a body.
no mom worried about a child being “kidnapped” could have had that much fun 24/7. i think somebody on the media said she was out looking for that little girl about as much as OJ was looking for Nicole’s killer when he was on the golf course.
reason I am not 100% yet is that info all we have is leaked stuff so if it is not concrete then she might could get a lesser charge.
CFC – that’s what I meant (but didn’t express well) – i think the premeditated part – the part that would bring us Murder one – will be with stuff that is not the forensics. And there is PLENTY of that!
cecybeans said,at 2:52 pm ‘We might not be able to judge the fact that M did not buy anything for Caylee at Target as proof she was murdered. Remember M claims, in retrospect, that Caylee was already “missing” then and so she wouldn’t have to justify purchasing items for her because she “doesn’t know” where she is. It fits in with her ridiculous alibi”
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Thanks, I think you’re right about that one. I guess I was thinking of that being supporting evidence for the prosecution because it shows that M knew there was no reason to buy even the smallest thing for her daughter because she wasn’t coming back. But, you made me think through it a little bit more and as a mother would I buy something for my child if she or he was kidnapped? Heavens… I couldn’t even walk much less shop.
beans..i think a body will prove murder one…if they present the whole case and her state of mind her my space pages the comp searches on chloroform and missing children her lies her spending her not calling 911…the hair and decomposition …the shovel..the ..the…the…
imo the only thing they need here is proof positive the baby is gone….SLAM DUNK TO ME..
The hair strand found in the trunk showed signs of decomposition. As with blood testing for paternity “cannot be excluded” is the term used to indicate probability. One of the two possible individuals is alive in a detention center, one missing.
The strand might have gotten into the trunk of Casey Anthony’s without her knowledge. In fact, Casey Anthony could be covering up her mother’s killing of Caylee Anthony possibly shortly before Cindy Anthony notified law enforcement Caylee Anthony was missing; presumably she would have called the police to divert attention from herself once her granddaughter’s absence was undeniable.
It is also possible Casey Anthony’s continuous rounds of bars, men and pot are indicia of her profound grief of knowing her mother killed her child.
These scenarios are more plausible than alien abduction, yes. The lab reports remain solid evidence however; rarely are “smoking guns” EVER found.
yea but if I were worried about my missing child I would buy trinkets for WHEN she came home. If I couldn’t tell anyone about her “kiddnapping” at least I could comfort myself for when. All she bought is party stuff. It will be used to establish her state of mind. Carefree unconcerned and not planning for future with Caylee
C4C – it doesn’t matter if it was leaked – it doesn’t compromise the veracity of the facts or the deposed statements. They aren’t anything that can degrade like dna.
Heck, all of M’s BS in her very first police interview about it happening on the 9th when Caylee was kidnapped is a crock – she uploaded herself the pix from the 15th and should have remembered Caylee was with her mom in Mt. Dora. her detailed testimony of the date (which was Cindy’s first hypothesis) proves she is a bald-faced liar from minute one.
And there are gaps in what was leaked. I’m sure LE has much more than what we saw. I think the leaks were to create pressure. too bad she didn’t stay in jail the whole time. Spending weeks at a time with her atty didn’t help LE.
Hi Peach…..C didn’t kill baby imo…c is guilty of alot but not that …why would M cover up for a mother who she said ruined and runs her life!…and I agree…m has no remorse no grief..c saying m is a grieving mother makes me sick to my stomach…just wanna shake that whack job…grieving she is no longer a contestant at the hot body contest maybe….NEVER AGAIN…M’S HIPS GETTIN WIDER EVERY DAY…GRAVY FOR BREAKFAST….LMAO…EAT YER CAKE KILLER…
but if C did it and was trying to frame M she wouldn’t be on her side.
add to Justice for Caylee puzzle
M lying about getting call from Caylee on 7/15
M not taking any of Caylee’s things on 7/16
M leaving carseat/doll in abandoned car.
I donot like the word puzzle. Mainly because C used that word so often. Rather would use evidence.
7/16 = 6/16 on second
Peach and c4c…wow I get it now what peach was saying…framing M…oooohhh…possible i guess..
C4C – good point about state of mind. EVERYTHING she did points to the fact that, whether this child was either kidnapped or dead, Caylee was happy as a clam to play the perpetual “unencumbered mother” without thinking twice about the child. (although BB is probably going to say that the “instructions note” told her not to purchase anything)
I really don’t think BB will ever be able to unravel the pit of snakes lies she told to LE. The defense will probably just stick to trying to lessen the impact of the forensics to get her off death row.
I am not explaining very well. sorry Ca I only meant that since we hadn’t actually seen info. I wasn’t considering it fact yet. I was reserving judgement on that evidence until i see it. I do believe she is going down
hey snook!
beans…instructions…what mother would get instructions on such a horrible crime to follow while their child was abducted …(oh are we talking about the story m told about caylee going missing with Zanny and her sister in the park or the one at the apartments…)..>lOL…one at the park..ok..
AND NOT KEEP THE NOTE!…oops…LE…another laime lie I told to help find my daughter….
yep it all makes perfect sense “in a backwards sort of way”
lol..absolutely!
Hi Caylee-Angel
So glad you came back._Against advise of hubby, I suspect, (evil grin).
Sad to see Mamabear, my close neighbour is still MIA.
snook…thanks but on the contrary..hubby totally supportive…just asked if peeps being nice to me…LOL>>>
I would NEVER let something this blown out of poportion scare me off…I am here for caylee and love the company…caylee has given me a cause…and taught me a thing or two …
My post was taking out of context totally…but I will move on…I have broad shoulders…so long as I am welcome I will be here…
Haven’t been on much so must have missed something. But I have never heard anyone critical of you Ca I think you will always be welcome. You bring alot of good debate and questions to conversation
Yah, I feel bad for mama I love her and she is way too hard on herself…I am sorry I said something that in the end….cause of the continued disrespect from a certain poster..upset her enough to make her leave……MAKES ME SAD.
when did this happen I thought mama was on Thursday night.
c4c – Thank you ….I have a big heart and it aches for Caylee and have attached to this beautiful child like the rest of you…I don’t stir the pot hardly ever…just wanna fit in and express thoughts honestly without arguing like most of you!…
Eliminating the implausible leaves the most probable: Casey Anthony is responsible for her daughter’s death. Whether her actions were deliberate or negligent is a separate issue. The crimes may not have started until after Caylee Anthony died. So far, the prosecution’s public actions seem like a manslaughter case, with subsequent crimes aggravating the severity of the initial wrong.
ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE
I think it’s a great idea to develop a list of evidence/information about the case for all of us to see, MMT. And if anyone’s testimony is not corroborated we could put a (?) next to it (like I did with G saying last time he saw M and Caylee was June 16) Others have better records of dates and activities than I do but here are a few:
May 24 M and Tony L meet at a party for first time
June 15 – C saw M and Caylee for last time (?)
June 16 – G saw M and Caylee for last time
June 18 (?) M borrowed shovel from neighbor
June 27 – Car left at Amscot
June 30 – Car towed from Amscot
June 30 – July 5 Tony on vacation (M stays with Amy)
July 8 – 15 Amy on vacation. M drives Amy’s car
July 5 – 15 M stays with Tony
Hi Peach, – if Cindy killed Caylee it doesn’t explain George’s statement about seeing her alive on the 16th and leaving with M to go to work.
G was the most continuously cooperative Ant with LE. LV made a lot of calls and gave a lot of info but slunk into the background pretty quickly.
The strongest emotion I ever heard in Cindy’s voice was during those 3 911 calls – she sounds desperate for LE to help them find both Casey and Caylee. She and G both sound desperate in their initial interviews – to find the car, to arrest Casey for theft, to explain the dead body smell in a car they didn’t even have access to. Only when it becomes clear their daughter is a murder suspect do they pull back from cooperating.
Only Casey, who led police on wild goose chases and laughed a lot during her initial interviews, acts like she could have cared less throughout. And she would have thrown her mom under the bus in a heartbeat. Her anger at her mother putting her in jail and concern for herself only is so apparent in the angry tone she has in those jail phone calls.
And C and G had utterly no motive for killing a child they lavished with love and affection and financially supported. If it had even been an accident, they would have been on the phone to 911 in five seconds.
If anything, they C was using that child as leverage to get their daughter to behave better. I just don’t see Cindy as being a reasonable suspect.
c4c – last night..most did not even get what the conflict was…it was blown out porportion enormously…and dragged on….silly actually…
I think it is because we all believe so deeply and care so much that it gets heated sometimes. I also think that since we don’t personally know each other sometimes we may mean one thing and someone else reads another.
DON’T BE SAD CA. I NOT FAR AWAY. LU
NOW MMT- HOW ABOUT THE TIME LINE?
COME ON OUT LILRED. LETS PARTEA
Do you really think Mama won’t come back. I think I have her email I will drop her a line and see how she is. She has also had trouble sleeping and so maybe she will come back. Sometimes staying away a few days can clear our perspective a bit.
wtg I knew you wouldn’t be gone we would all miss you too much mama
Oh mama I am so happy to see you…I am so sorry for not taking the time to help you out last I was just so pissed at the reaction…
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Thank you for not letting “losing” you be on my concious for life…
YOU made my day…
AND I WANNA PARTEA TOO MAMA….XO
CA – please don’t get upset when we argue. It’s tres american to debate and bristle – we sometimes aren’t as laid back as our canadian cousins. (all that revolutionary residual). it often looks more bombastic than it is or is meant to be.
it only gets out of hand when people take it personally. which, given the high level of emotions this case gives all of us, is probably natural from time to time.
I think everyone yesterday was tired and upset and let it go places it wouldn’t have normally gone.
I told mama it was like a sister-spat and that everyone would get over it quickly. I just think she is very tired – needs a good night sleep. I know I do, I was up all night combing through the records on this. I need a 12-step program to detox me from the Anthony mess!
MAMAMAMAMA! You could hear us calling your name!
HIIIII-EEEEEE!
THANKS E1. I LOVE YOU ALL.
for real sometimes I research and then come here and chat and then it gets questioned, then I try and go back and find it and its gone. Then I wonder if it was ever there in the first place. For example we were discussing reports and one that no one seems to be talking about are finger prints on shovel.
MMT I LOVE THIS IDEA. BET JAN WOULD POST IT FOR US.
C4C THAT WAS IN THE EVIDENCE CAME BACK FROM THE LAB-YESTERDAY
yea but what about the shovel. What does everyone think about it.
beans…I don’t get upset with arguing…I am used to it…my house has 3 teens with attitudes and 2 babies in training…caos is my first name…should have maybe used that as my blog name…no worries…I was worried for mama and anyone else who is not used to such bickering…I am good…and I am here till the end with all my friends…
WHERE IS CAYLEE?…THAT’S WHAT ALL THIS IS ABOUT…
HEY YA’LL. I GOT FLASH NOW. WOW AM I THE LUCKY ONE OR WHAT………….
this is not evidence, but just something odd I noticed about C.
She is always so sure of and specific about dates (even when she’s not).
She first said she had not seen Caylee since June 9. Then she told the police 31 days, which would have made it June 14th (and she gave both statements on June 15th).
Then later she told the media that the pizza had been in the car for 12 days – which doesn’t match up to any date. Whazzaup with the pizza date??
She might be a lot like M, (who is a lot like The Enquirer) – if I say it, or think it, it’s gotta be true! Amy said that M tended to believe her own bs.
C4C IT IS IN THE REPORTS. THEY FOUND A HAIR THAT WASN’T M OR CAYLEE’S ON THE SHOVEL.
AND THEY FOUND NO FINGER PRINTS ON THE SHOVEL. AM I NOT UNDERSTANDING U?
yes I know thanks. But my question is why isn’t anyone talking about WHY M had a shovel in the trunk of her car?
i had not heard there was a shovel in the trunk… I knew about neighbors shovel only.
concernedforcaylee said,at 3:08 pm yea but if I were worried about my missing child I would buy trinkets for WHEN she came home. If I couldn’t tell anyone about her “kiddnapping” at least I could comfort myself for when. All she bought is party stuff. It will be used to establish her state of mind. Carefree unconcerned and not planning for future with Caylee.
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Thanks for the thought concernedforcaylee… I will leave it on the list.
LMFAO CA—-I HAD 4 KIDS AND I KNOW WHERE U R COMING FROM. COULD TELL U SOME WILD STORIES. BUT NOW I AM OLD AND STRESS EASY. I SHOULD NOT HAVE JUMPED IN WHEN I DID. SORRY FOR THAT.
I was not disappointed with the released evidence report.
Forensic testing is never 100% accurate. There is always a margin of error. However, that margin of error becomes smaller and smaller as multiple components are indentified.
Example 5 lottery numbers. Big difference with the probability factor having one number right vs 5 numbers right. Ditto with for example air sample from trunk having 5 major components of human decomposition identified.
Reasonable doubt, how to quantify. 95% sure, 5% doubt. Again very seldom 100% either.
Hope this makes sense.
thanks I think your idea is a good one because those of us that are following it will like it as a reference and reminder of facts
IT ISN’T AS MUCH WHAT SHE “DIDN’T” BUY AS WHAT SHE DID BUY. “PARTY GIRL”
MAMA…WHEN I READ that the hair on the shovel was not m’s or cayless….I know the defence will use that up and and down and three ways sideways to say…SOMEONE ELSE KILLED BABY AND BURIED HER…it doesn’t make sense at all cause people shed hair all the time…it could have been transferred easily from someone else somewhere else…and transferred off M onto shovel..or belongs to neighbor..hope LE has dna from neighbor to disprove another possible and responsible guilty party other then M..
BUT..if they do have dna from neighbor..why not in the report saying it was theirs..means it belongs to ..IN THE DEFNESE EYES…THE REAL KILLER…THEY WILL USE THAT LIKE COCHRANE USED THE GLOVE…
Mama – now you can go and download all that video and audio stuff!! Hours of fun!!
CA – I’m glad to hear you’re okay. I love it when you get mad at M – you can be really funny!
C4C – I know what you mean about finding things – even with all the bookmarking, I’ve gone back to sites and seen stuff that is pulled, or I can’t remember where I found it.
We need a site archivist! Although the people who put up the Sticky Threads sites for Websleuths have done a great job of cataloguing all the various available evidence.
Combining and comparing cellphone pings and text msgs to see her whereabouts is my latest compulsion. I want to find out where she was that was a place she could have left that poor child’s body.
I’m sure the experts are all over it, but it’s really interesting to see her locations on those various days.
MAMA…TOTALLY…party girl…baby gone …buys beer and sex clothes…and ass wipe!…yah, c….grieving mother mode…she doesn’t see how stupid her statements are…she is totally about M…NOT CAYLEE
I think Cat was the one that said there was a shovel found in the trunk – NOT the one from the neighbors.
We were wondering which shovel had the hair on it, because if it was the neighbors shovel that had a not-Anthony hair that is innocent. If the one in the trunk had a stranger’s hair, it might mean something else.
I have been looking and can’t find an inventory of what LE found in the trunk.
BTW – I just read something again about the neighbor – (not all in published docs) – stating that he say M with her car backed into the garage several times that week. hmmm?
WELL, THE ONLY SHOVEL MENTIONED WAS THE NEIGHBOR’S AND THE NEIGHBOR SAID THAT LE TOOK THE SHOVEL-SO I THINK THAT WAS THE SHOVEL
another question is when it mentions that baby might have died in the trunk without oysgen. A trunk would have air. Unless over a period of time she used up the oxygen. That would indicate she was in the trunk for a long time. Especially if she were sleeping, one tends to breath even and slow consuming less oxygen
cecy – if you’ve got records of important dates in the case maybe you could contribute to the evidence/testimony list that MMT suggested and started. I think it’s a great idea!!! Please see MMT’s post at 2:35 pm and then I added some dates at 3:30 pm
MMT is going to try to keep the “master list” I guess. Some details about it need to be worked out but I think it will be wonderfully helpful to all of us. Something constructive for all of us to do now while news is a little slow and it will become something we can refer to when needed in future.
You know, maybe it would be a good idea to separate the list into things like:
forensic evidence
witness statements
suspicious behavior
they are all so different but they can work together to form the net of no reasonable doubt.
This was in a news article after evidence came out. Reliable?
Residue of chloroform, which can be used to render someone unconscious, was found on the spare tire cover and trunk liner, though a trace was also found in a control experiment on a similar trunk. No usable fingerprints were found on a shovel in the trunk.
BET GUMS HAS SOME STUFF……….
C4C U 2
I NOT GOOD AT KEEPING RECORDS.
I was under the imnpression too that the shovel in the evidence report was neigbour Brian Burner’s shovel. No shovel was in the trunk. Not on the evidence report either when car was confiscated/contents listed unless C did her magic disapparance act.
Tow yard employee also did not mention a shovel when the trunk was opened by G at the towyard. Only the white trash bags, flies , maggots and smell.
c4c…think maybe baby died in the trunk…under sedations with chloroform..in the heat…od on the chloroform….a trunk would not have alot of air exchange…especially if it was hot…shallow breathes in such conditions with chloroform…not good scene..
Hi Peach, – if Cindy killed Caylee it doesn’t explain George’s statement about seeing her alive on the 16th and leaving with M to go to work.
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YES, Casey is the most likely to be responsible. There are other POSSIBLE explanations but none probable. Only Cindy Anthony’s involvement would explain Casey Anthony’s silence for a month, but it explains nothing else. Casey Anthony’s life history does not suggest a person willing to take responsibility for her own acts, let alone those of others.
But was the death of the child a result of negligence or intentional act?
OOOOOOOOH…. AND THE SEARCH FOR THE CHOROFORM WAS LOOKED UP UNDER CASEY’S LOG IN ID
C4C – that is the one thing that is bugging me so far.
The decomp evidence shows it was “early” – like two or three days. That would seem to negate the theory that she had her in the car that for very long.
also, in addition to a lack of oxygen, I cannot imagine a child would have lived in the trunk of a car in FL on a hot summer day for more than a few hours. It is illegal to leave your child in the car in FL for any length of time because, even when the windows are cracked, it gets up to like 120 degrees in just a few minutes. the cook before they asphyxiate
snookers said,at 3:13 pm add to Justice for Caylee puzzle
M lying about getting call from Caylee on 7/15
M not taking any of Caylee’s things on 7/16
M leaving carseat/doll in abandoned car.
I donot like the word puzzle. Mainly because C used that word so often. Rather would use evidence.
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Hi Snookers! Thanks for your GREAT additions. I added them to the list.
I hope you don’t mind us sticking with the word “puzzle” because a lot of what we have on the list is not evidence, it’s simply supporting facts to the prosecution’s theory.
Hey, think of it this way… Our Justice for Caylee team will show C the true meaning of what a puzzle REALLY looks like when it’s put together with evidence and facts and not just fiction!
GO TEAM!
Hi Mamabear
Be honest , were you lurking?.
So glad to see you’re back BTW.
I too, generally just disappear when things get hot and heavy.
Life is too short to get involved in that insignificant stuff.
interesting that those reports dont say where the shovel came to be? it explained every number up to that one.
cecy at 4:00 – Good idea. Up to you all and MMT how to do it. I do think a timeline of important dates would be important as well as the things you suggested.
MMT – I guess you missed my post at 3:30?
HEY SNOOKERS. WILL ALWAYS LOOK OVER YA’LL SHOODERS. LOL
MMT,
Had error on M not taking Caylee’s things,. Should be 6/16 as opposed to 7/16.
Puzzle is fine with me ofcourse.
Peach…don’t know about negligence or intentional..I do know it was NOT an accident.
The searches on chloroform and missing children and her my space poem tells me intentional act….along with her demeanor after baby was gone…she couldn’t give a shitt about her missing child…and to this day not ONE TEAR… Intential..not negligent…even negligence would mean nasty hoe bag so called mother that would at least cry over her loss…the only thing m has lost in her eyes is her right to party….
add to Justice for Caylee puzzle
AND THE SEARCH FOR THE CHOROFORM WAS LOOKED UP UNDER CASEY’S LOG IN ID
guess you have it…just start typing and your true feelings come out…SHE DID IT INTENTIONALLY….that’s why we brainstorm and when you just let your thoughts flow out on “paper”…you get your true feelings…cool
snookers, darn. I thought someone said there was a shovel in the trunk yesterday.
that would have been great, because it would have helped corroborate that witness who thinks he saw her in the woods with a shovel.
If the hair did not match, it could have easily just been from the neighbors. and since she borrowed it, any fingerprints would not be suspect even if they were there and readable.
of course, CINDY was alone with that car after they got it back for a long time. G went right back to work. If she was washing pants she could have been taking out a lot of stuff before she found M. like shovels.
I can’t find the LE inventory of the house search other than the computers.
also, C said there were “no maggots” in the car (of course, the bag with the pizza box had been thrown away at the tower’s). But the towing guy said he saw maggots and we heard the bag later tested for body fluids on the outside – not the inside with the pizza after it was recovered by LE. maggots have a specific life cycle, so hopefully they’ll call in an expert for that. I don’t remember if either G or the tow truck guy saw actual flies coming out of the trunk – that would be a specific time-line too.
LILRED——-U HERE???????????
MMT – don’t forget the doll they found suddenly didn’t have the pink dress on.
impossible to know if cindy washed or destroyed that I imagine.
THEY SAID N MAGGOTS ON THE PIZZA
NO MAGGOTS ON PIZZA
mytwocents-The Original said,3:30 pm ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE I think it’s a great idea to develop a list of evidence/information about the case for all of us to see, MMT. And if anyone’s testimony is not corroborated we could put a (?) next to it (like I did with G saying last time he saw M and Caylee was June 16) Others have better records of dates and activities than I do but here are a few:
May 24 M and Tony L meet at a party for first time
June 15 – C saw M and Caylee for last time (?)
June 16 – G saw M and Caylee for last time
June 18 (?) M borrowed shovel from neighbor
June 27 – Car left at Amscot
June 30 – Car towed from Amscot
June 30 – July 5 Tony on vacation (M stays with Amy)
July 8 – 15 Amy on vacation. M drives Amy’s car
July 5 – 15 M stays with Tony
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Thank you M2C original! Great stuff! I knew I forgot so many things. I’ve added your additions to the list.
I really appreciate your participation. I wasn’t too sure how this would go over with the group. Please keep thinking of more to add!
Mama – good point about M’s ID. I doubt Cindy or anyone else (maybe LV) even knew her ID.
mamam…no maggots on the pizza..pizza all dried up and moldy…no maggotts…they do not feed on food…they (to my knowledge) feed on decompositon of stuff like human flesh..and in every day garbage can stuff like …uncooked meat..
I am not sure but thought chloroform vapors are heavier than oxygen. Which could explain the anaerobic bacteria/properties.
I also still wonder what was on that JCP receipt that C would not relinguish.
According to the evidence report, there was no pizza, just an empty pizza box. That is the way I read it at least.
MMT – this is a great idea – we can always cut and paste this into a spreadsheet or calendar or something later on.
yikes! would you look at that! it’s afternoon already and my house looks like its own little crime scene!
I gotta go do some shopping (Target, natch, the BIG papertowels, please) and get some pasta to fix for dinner.
Not to mention, I’m running low on bleach and acetone…
It’s been fun sleuthing with you ladies – see you all later I hope! keep up the good work, we may think of something together that mama can mail to Paddy about where to look (still looking for a good intro for you!)
later! huggs!
snook…jcp…haven’t heard of that seems c is not willing to hand over credit card statements and jcp receipts…she looks really bad in a cover up doesn’t she…I don’t trust that woman at all…
I meant to ask from reading the fbi reports what anaerobic decomp. is?…is it later stage of decomp as opposed to aerobic which is initial stage?
cecybeans said,at 3:30 pm “George’s statement about seeing her alive on the 16th and leaving with M to go to work.”
Cecybeans, see, without realizing it you contributed to the list. George was the last person who saw Caylee alive with M.
Thanks! Please check those wonderful notes of yours and let me know if there is more to add! 🙂
later beans…ya funny gal!
snookers – I read somewhere it was a cross for Caylee or something – don’t know. Probably the bill was for $800 of sexy lingerie M charged and C was too embarrassed to show them.
Shit, M’s phone bills alone were from $300-500 a month – and that was 2007.
UR RIGHT SNOOKS-WAS NO PIZZA—–EMPTY BOX
CA (obviously I can’t get off this thang)
anaerobic just means oxygen not necessary or cannot happen in presence of oxygen for bacterial growth.
aerobic, the opposite – need oxygen.
A lot of decomp bacteria is anaerobic – starts from the inside out and stops when it reaches air.
Mama – so C was full of it when she said the car smelled like pizza because there was never any in there, just an empty box!
okay, i’m gone!
mama…there was NO pizza in the box? Maybe i was thinking of the theory “test” I think that fox did ..I did think there was some leftovers?
Cecy,
Yep, tow guy said some flies came out of trunk when opened.
That is why I also think, there is more forensic evidence than what was released to the public.I think LE hase an option as to how they file it. BB and cohorts should get all of it when completed though regardless how it is filed. Suspect testing is till going on.
Like to see M brought down by a fly/maggot LOL..
BYE BEANS
The prosecution has enough information to rip Casey apart in court. She has defined the ruin of her own credibility by lying so much, and there is enough dna evidence to prove her daughter is dead and was in the back of that car. I imagine there is also evidence which has not yet leaked to the press.
SURE HOPE UR RIGHT SNOOKS-THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY WITH-HELD. THAT WOULD BE GREAT
http://www.freep.com/article/20081024/NEWS07/81024027/1009/NEWS07 in this link it references shovel found in trunk. Reliable news sourc? I don;t know
snook…yah a fly a maggott and a hair….pretty much sums m up !!! all disgusting!
HEYYY WECOGIRL. WELCOME TO THE CYBER-SLUTHS
just read testimony of neighbor it doesn’t give evidence number on shovel.
AM LOST C4C
NUMBER?
hi everyone,
just reading some of your posts and there is a great feeling from everyone that we can all help to get justice for caylee,
mmt,the puzzle is first class idea,and you know what maybe something will turn up from it,
was feeling realy down when i read lab results but all here has gave me hope and to get back on track again,thanks…
mama…number given at lab on report..everything has a number for reference attached to it…it’ ok…all new to me too.
HEY MINNIE
the paragraph below came from an article yesterday
Residue of chloroform, which can be used to render someone unconscious, was found on the spare tire cover and trunk liner, though a trace was also found in a control experiment on a similar trunk. No usable fingerprints were found on a shovel in the trunk.
http://www.freep.com/article/20081024/NEWS07/81024027/1009/NEWS07
Trying to find out if there are two shovels or just a bad news article
minnie…me too on the lab stuff…we really don’t know what it will all mean in the end….but I too have been let down and pumped right back up by our friends on here…sometimes hard to keep the train running at full speed..and when it seems to slow down we get frustrated and worried…and here, we have our friends to hold us up when we feel beaten down…i have heard alot including myself that feel the report is not what we would like…
The fact that the lab did an actual test on pizza to see if maggots would appear ( they used pepperoni and mushrooms) and none did BTW, makes me believe, they are still working on more evidence. Why on earth would they bother otherwise.
bb is messing up by putting ideas out even if it is through C. They have time to disprove those ideas
SO BY #–MEAN THIS:
Q46 SHOVEL(OCSO ITEM # 1,K-11)
hi mamabear,hows you doing?
i still would love to give you 5 mins with that babykiller out of all of us,by god would she talk!!!
yes they never say in report where that item came from.
ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE =
MMT – this is a little messy for a list but maybe there is a way to include this info:
M lived with Tony (mostly) from June 9. Some nights she did not stay with him. It’s important to note that at some point he asked/told M NOT to bring Caylee over to spend the night. That goes to motive.
And it’s also important to try to pin down the nights she did NOT stay with him (we already noted the week he went to NY June 30 – July 5 when M stayed at Amy and Ricardo’s.) Otherwise when she was not overnight at Tony’s where was she?
snook…simply providing evidence to the defence theory that pizza was not cause of maggots in the car..and more test for sure to prove the body fluid on the bag and on the carpet produced the maggots.
OK SNOOKS, I HANGIN ONTO UR SHIRT TAIL. LOL
good afternoon ladies, i hope all is well with each and every one of you
then the news article suggests that it was in the trunk? that would mean not neighbors shovel
I’m pondering the death; here in Florida INTENT to kill often means the difference between a 40-50-life-death sentence. Casey may have used chloroform to knock the child out so she could have the never ending fun she craved, used too much, left her alone and the child died. The death of Caylee may not have been planned. As for “ripping her apart”, that could elicit sympathy from a jury IF Casey testifies. In most of death cases I’ve been close to, the prosecution is cool toward the defendant & emotional about the victim, letting the victim’s life hold center stage, NOT ‘tactics’. But if Casey continues the obvious lies it is a possibility. I think it would be a mistake.
BB is also putting out his ideas thru Kobilinski now on NG. At one time, I had respect for that guy, now I refer to him as a dumb polack. No pun intended to anybody with a polack name, just a figure of speech.
To clarify: It’s important to note what nights M stayed with Tony from June 9 – Jund 15 because she did not have Caylee with her. Tony did not want Caylee there. And Caylee was not with C & G (except for MAYBE June 15)
So where was the child sleeping between June 9 and June 15? Put to sleep in the car? With chloroform?
MAMABEAR said,NOW MMT- HOW ABOUT THE TIME LINE?
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Mamabear, you are right…thanks for reminding me!
I didn’t add in the time line so, if anyone is good at timelines, and would like to help out by copying and pasting the puzzle list to a word document and then back on this site, please let me know and I will be ever so grateful. If not, I can add a timeline myself at a later date.
If some of you are not sure what we are talking about, here are the two posts to refer back to:
Monday Morning Therapist said, in October 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Explanation of Justice for Caylee Puzzle.
Monday Morning Therapist said,in October 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
List for JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE
SO-THERE MAY BE MORE REPORTS THAT WERE NOT SHOWN TO PUBLIC?
Peach- Are you saying it would be a mistake for BB to allow M to take the stand?
yes if they are not all completed. not sure about tow shovels or not. just thought that was intersting and it could help prove that gu wasn’t a fake. I had my doubts
Peach….
I no longer believe chloroform was used to subdue Caylee. It was either to kill or to cover up evidence. In conjunction with all the other evidence, the one key point in my mind is that NO ONE, repeat, NO ONE does internet searches on missing children sites and then has their own child disappear.
yes it would be a huge mistake because then prosecution could cross examiner her and she would be an idoit
hi caylee-angel,glad i have all u guys here,and i realy beleive in my heart that caylee will find the peace and justice she soo much deserves.
i thing about caylee everyday,she has realy taken a big place in my heart,but i think she is in a beter place and will always be happy.
You know they say there were high amounts of chloroform but they didn’t release the result on percentage or level numbers. Also news reports tend to exaggerate things and add what they like.
Hi all,
hello cat. do you know if there were two shovels or not
hi catherine girfriend…
from what date does the puzzle start?
is it from the day of argument between c and m?
I think there was (1) shovel, and then the witness that saw M. coming out out of the woods )Paul) stated he saw M. with a shovel in a plastic bag.
HEY CAT N BRI
Hi, Girlfrend
HUGS
minnie…there was a guy on here…dont remember his name now it escapes me…haven’t seen him since..only on one day a few days ago…said that caylee is being treated like a princess in heaven..told to him by a psychic friend of his…she has many angels all around her….gave me hope…hope it does for you too..
There is an aspect that still puzzles me and I question G’s veracity on the gas can incident. he initially told LE that he asked M to go into the trunk because he needed something that was really *tightened down* so he could work on C’s car. This does not sound like gas cans. Then he stated that M ran to the trunk and shut it right away and told him, here are your F*** cans. Might there have been 2 different incidents?
Regarding the JC Penney receipt, Paddy started to say something on NG show Friday saying Cindy said M said she bought a cross for Caylee. What is this about?
Residue of chloroform, which can be used to render someone unconscious, was found on the spare tire cover and trunk liner, though a trace was also found in a control experiment on a similar trunk. No usable fingerprints were found on a shovel in the trunk.
appeared on news report called FREEP.com legit or not. That is why I am asking about two shovels
in reports released yesterday when it talks about shovel it never says where it came from.
i can’t understand why would M keep the plastic bag ?…hello everyone
g said he asked for the tool because he guessed she had the cans in the car. thats when she raced to trunk and threw cans at him. THey are same incident
Concerned for caylee news reports are not always the best source for info especially if the info you are looking for is released to the public. news reports do tend to add or embellish things.
to clarify, I meant “enough evidence to rip” apart Casey’s stories and lies, not her personally. And there MUST be more evidence, why would they allow everything to leak to the public? This is a very serious allegation, and having every shred of evidence known by the general public would be counter-productive. Baez and his team have a client with NO credibility, and there is hard evidence of a death. They will spend their time trying to knock holes in the prosecution’s evidence. That’s it. Because Casey by herself is unreliable. Also, Casey’s parents know she is guilty. The things they say to the press have been rehearsed behind closed doors with Casey’s defense team. At this point they have nothing left to lose and they naturally want to keep Casey away from a death sentence since she is their daughter.
Dakdude3 said,at 4:59 pm “You know they say there were high amounts of chloroform.”
Thanks Dak…intentionally or not, you just gave us another addition to our “JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE”
I just added it in! 🙂
I think she was lazy and hadn’t finished cleaning up she didn’t expect the car to get towed. then was surprised when c showed up
thankyou caylee-angel,thats a nice thought to have,and its all that she deserves.
AM GITTIN CONFUSSED SO WILL JUST SIT AND LURK. LOL
salu.
Great Point!
G. never got that thing he wanted from M’s car hmmmmmm. I smell a cover up with G.
Bri,
That’s if we believe that Paul actually saw M.
sits back and has a beer with mama….
hey dak I agree with you THIS time. That is why I am trying to find other info about it. THe report released yesterday does not mention where the LE got the shovel that was tested for prints. ALso doesn’t mention dirt or anything like that. which neighbor and police discussed. That is why am asking to see if anyone else has anything concrete that discredits this article or supports it either way. I know there are some great slueths in here.
Bri,
Do you see what I mean?
mamabear,i get so lost to but dont go,you always lighten up everything when it gets a bit heavy !!
i sort of think the paul guy did see M, the police could always ask the friend who was driving the car to back up paul’s story, unless the cooked it up together
salukisighthound said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Regarding the JC Penney receipt, Paddy started to say something on NG show Friday saying Cindy said M said she bought a cross for Caylee. What is this about?
Please elaborate in regards to the receipt. I missed the information about a receipt.
Thanks!
CAT WHATS WITH THE COVER UP WITH G? AND THE CANS
I believe there was only one shovel as LE never mentioned shovels ony shovel. I think these people who say they say M with a shovel near the airport are just looking for attention. I bet if this info on the shovel was released earlier they wouldn’t be saying they say someone.
I AM HERE MINNI JUST READING N THINKIN SO I ON’T GET BEHIND. LOL
yep, catherine i get it, but i’m thinking paul was telling the truth
Hi, MMT! I think I may have misunderstood the puzzle you’re developing (your post at 2:46pm).
That’s great. I jumped in trying to develop a time line (my 3:30 post) which I think is also helpful. But the two lists don’t really mesh into one. They should be separate.
All those who joined the blog recently did you see MMT’s post at 2:46 and mine at 3:30? Do you want to develop these lists further? Sure could use some help. Not even sure if this is the best way to go about it but it would be handy to have!
Bri, if they don’t find Caylee there is no gain for those two guys. Could be an honest sighting, could be they saw someone but nothing to do with case. Could happen. I really doubted him at first. That is why I guess I am hung up on shovel. I believed since he saw her after neighbor got his shovel back, i figured it was not possible it was her. If however there was a shovel in her trunk… that would open the possiblity again that he really did see her with a shovel. What else was in the trunk. THey wouldn’t have to test a red hat or sunglasses so we wouldn’t know if they found those items either.
caylee-angel,im sittin back and havin a beer too!!!!
G.’s purpose for going into M’s trunk was to get a piece of equipment he needed for C, car.
M’ threw the gas cans at him, but G. never got the piece of equipment he needed. WHY?
sabrina said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:13 pm i sort of think the paul guy did see M, the police could always ask the friend who was driving the car to back up paul’s story, unless the cooked it up together
does anyone not find it odd that the Paul guy works for a company that is owned by Channel 9 news? They both are owned by the same company AND the guy that looks so much like Caylee’s dad works for that news source?
because after m threw the cans at him she drove off in car. said they would talk later.
cheers Minnie…if my own kids don’t drive me to drink this case sure does….LMAO
of course Cat that is only based on G interview with police, if he was deliberately missleading who knows truth?????
June 24th will play a role in the trial, and G. already has an alibi for M.
THE FAMOUS GAS GANS!
Okay i would like to know where you found out about the Paul guy working for a company that is owned by channel 9 news.
catherine, G said after M threw the cans at him she left in the car…he wanted the stop thing for changing tires i don’t know the right name for it, but i think it’s placed behind the tires to keep the car from rolling back
Dakdude3 said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:20 pm Okay i would like to know where you found out about the Paul guy working for a company that is owned by channel 9 news.
From Channel 9 news story.
where does that come from Cat. If he truly was creating an alibi that was before anyone (supposedly) knew Caylee was missing. That would mean that at least G was involved directly, not after the fact as some suggest.
MMT – I tried. I give up. New screen name “Invisible.” Night all.
June 24th is also the day that G. said he followed M in C’s car wasn’t it?
no cat. I thought G said he wasn’t sure about date for that and they would need to access ezpass to find the date.
Night, mytwocents
i haven’t heard that catherine, why was he following her ?
CFC,
G’ said June 24th, but he would need to check his access pass to be sure.
he saw her in C’s vehicle and was tired of the run around about letting them see Caylee. so he tried to follow her. lost her around a toll road. after she exited I think he said. But date was never stated definitively.
I don’t know if Casey should take the stand at this point, I doubt her attorneys do either. After discovery, the defense may be forced to fight for manslaughter as the best they can hope for; if so accident by cholorform could keep Casey off death row. We’ll know when the prosecution makes their initial offer. If its 2nd degree or manslaughter one option may be; plead her quick, have an all out fight at sentencing. Casey could get away with 20 years. With the 15% gain time here in Florida, she’d walk after 16-17, depending on how long she’s in pre trial detention.
Hey! the gangs all here!
Just finished straightening up and need to go get the Big Paper Towels at Target so thought I’d pop in. hey, i’m not addicted, i can quit ANY TIME!
Peach – would be interested to know about your former death sentence experience (unless you’re not a Peach but a Lemon). Seriously, everyone here brings such a great array of different experiences and perspectives.
I don’t really think anybody would need to get M on the stand – everything she said or wrote in the first 48 hours to LE can be read into testimony I’m sure – and that is enough to make any jury doubt another scenario.
If they put in all the crap she told friends about C and G leaving her the house and going away – it looks even better. Missing kid searches, chloroform recipes, a boyfriend that didn’t want a baby around and no place of her own that was free. Sounds like she had BIG PLANS.
I’ve been wondering if anyone knows if LV visited her at BB’s? Is anyone keeping track of that?
I have to go in a minute, but you guys are really getting things in gear I must say!
Bri,
I don’t think he expanded on why he was following her.
Okay I think some of the info we are hearing from Chanel 9 news and Mark Williams from WDBO talk radio are all owned by the same company sounds kind of onesided news.
Dakdude3 said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:20 pm Okay i would like to know where you found out about the Paul guy working for a company that is owned by channel 9 news.
BEHIND BARS: A Day In The Life Of Casey Anthony
POSTED: 4:30 pm EDT October 20, 2008
UPDATED: 2:54 pm EDT October 21, 2008
BUSINESS JOINING SEARCH FOR CAYLEE
Even some business leaders are getting involved in the search for Caylee’s body. Top management at Manheim Auto Auction in Orange County say they’ll help an employee search in the woods off Boggy Creek Road near Orlando International Airport.
An employee named Paul Kovach called Eyewitness News last week saying he saw a woman who looked like Casey Anthony leave the woods with a shovel back in June.
Manheim and WFTV are owned by the same company.
Previous Stories:
Hi, Cecy
so if M was in C’s car C would know, unless M took it without permission
be back later. Looks like I need to relisten to G again. I thought he explained why he followed m and that he was unsure of date. let you know what I hear.
hi cecy, anita, dak,2cents and anyone else i may have missed
thanks c4c
Hi BRI!
it won’t matter if they did negotiate that part in sentencing. I do not believe they will let all her sentences run at same time. Checks and fraud will still add up to jail time also.
Bri,
Remember when LE was talking to C. about M. taking her car on June 24th, and C, said she did not have her car. Only she and G had keys to her car. So, somebody is not telling the truth.
Hi MAMA Lurker 🙂
mytwocents,i realy value ur input,and your always helping me out so i think you should team urs and mmts together,with all of everyones ideas…
Has anyone seen BUMP?
oooh, oooh, I just finished listening to G’s interview this morning.
He wasn’t sure of the exact date (told LE to get EZpass records) but he had seen M in C’s SUV on 408 week of 23rd – 27th and tried to follow her but traffic was bad (rush hour – around 5:50 pm or so). She got off on the Kirkland or Hialeah (?) exit and he could not follow. He was mad at her for taking C’s car again which he said she often did for the gas.
mytwocents,
I agree with you I think a few lists are needed. Sorry, I didn’t respond sooner.
Hi Cat, bri, Anita and everybody! I’ll join you later!
Cecy,
Well, again C. is caught in another lie about G. and her having the only set of keys to her car.
DON’T U GIRLS THINK MMT’S IDEA WAS A GOOD ONE?
Monday Morning Therapist said,in October 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
I don’t know if I would trust a witness who has connections to a company who owns a news station.
hmmm, seems all that family knows how to do is lie…remember G telling the police he didn’t like that smell in the car, now he just dismisses it…do these people not know they were recorded, and C asking police if they are looking for dead caylee or live caylee, sheesh, she doesn’t want the caylee to be found
HEY NITA
brb in a few
Dak, I agree with you.
i’m back…is padilla searching now ?
yes mama,its a great idea,and as i said you never know what could be found from it…
mama, what idea ?
Bri,
???????
catherine,
?????? lol…i dunno
Monday Morning Therapist said,in October 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
See Dak I do agree with you sometimes.
brb
I LOVE IT.
ok, no problem, mmt lets do it
concerned, whether she gets consecutive or concurrent may depend on how long the case takes. I think the defense is real busy right now letting her know if she had ANY involvement pleading fast is her only option to get to the outside of Lowell* alive.
*Florida’s prison for females convicted of serious offenses.
HERE IS THE NEXT POST:
Monday Morning Therapist said,in October 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
AND THERE ARE ADDITIONS ALL THRU TIL NOW.
thanks mama, i don’t think there’s much to add to mmt’s list, she pretty much covered it all
I personally think mytwocents idea makes more sense. Having more than one list is easy to keep track of. IMO
Bri,
Dirty rice today?
i haven’t read 2cents post, there’s to much reading for me lol
You need to give me that recipe.
nope catherine, that’s to spicey to eat to often lol…gonna have filet mignon today
catherine i’ll mail it to you later this evening or tomorrow
Snooker,
Wasn’t the receipt attached to the pizza bag/box dated 6-19-2008? Wouldn’t the receipt say what was on the pizza when M. placed the order?
I know that someones going to slam me for this but, I just found another reason not to like NG. All her news resources(mark Williams,etc)are from within the same company or subsidiary of the same company. WDBO(Mark Williams, Drew Petromouix, Nikki Pearcr), and other news sources are through the same company(Cox Communications)and no other sources.
Bri,
Ok, I’ll make it for my husband he loves spicey food.
ok just wondering what is dirty rice?
lol, minnie, it’s a cajun dish, very spicey
Dak, That’s her team on the ground. She has other guests that are not employed by Cox Commuications.
Possible Add for Justice for Caylee Puzzle:
Date when Puerto Rico plans/texts started
Date when money was stolen from Grandfather
Date if ticket purchased and price
Date of cancellation of plans and reasons
lol,sabrina thought i was missing something and it was a lunchtime snack m had in that lawyers office!!!!!
Dakdude3 said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:35 pm I don’t know if I would trust a witness who has connections to a company who owns a news station.
I had posted this a couple of times but no one saw the connection or cared to post about.
I thought is more ironic that th picture that, I think it was Cat, found of the guy that truly looks liek Caylee’s father and was a rommie of Tony’s. ANd he works for Channel 9.
i like NG for the most part, but sometimes she gets on my last nerve, especially when she interupts people…she’s been in a bad mood lately
Dak, You just don’t like NG which is fine. I don’t like a lot of people. That’s why they make chocolate and vanila. LOL
Anita,
Cecy found the photo and we emailed to each other.
hi anita,do you have his name?
it’s jp chatt, caylee looks just like him
did we decide jp posed for that picture or is it super imposed
I like NG, but ever since she had the twins ahe has not been the same. Too soft on her guests.
hi dak,was always wondering what your thoughts on events are,what has happened to caylee?
Catherine,
Only PD mentioned that 6/19 pizza purchase date. Even suggested that pizza was put in trunk to hide smell. However, box was empty apparently.
Somes stuff that PD says , however, I consider speculation/heresay and not backed by evidence.
i agree catherine, being a mother hasn’t helped NG at all, she’s changed big time, i think she needs some time off
Bri,
He looks just like Caylee. I think it was on M’s myspace.
Maybe Dr. Phil could be her co host, he’s mean.
i know, i looked long and hard at that picture, i have no doubt that calee is his daughter
snooker,
So no description of what was on the pizza, just the dated receipt of 6-19-2008?
ooops, so sorry for spelling “caylee” wrong
Bri, I agree.
Where is Kris?
Dak, Do you like Dr. Phil?
Bri,
Making any sense yet?
Maybe the pizza was a cannibal pizza. That would attract maggots. LOL.
i don’t know, she said she would be on the blog alot this week because she’ll be on vacation…i’ve been looking for her
Snookers,
LMAO
catherine, i guess i’m brain dead today lol, i’m not getting it lol
That pizza date was only mentioned by Paddy. Nobody else.
so why put an empty pizza box in the trunk of the car ? and how is C claiming the pizza was the source of the odor ?
Bri,
LOL
That’s my question why put an empty pizza box in your trunk?
Possible Justice for Caylee puzzle;
How Puerto Rico plans/texts overlapped search of missing children and Chloroform search dates.
The empty pizza box was in the white trash bag/blue handle with other paperstuff. C was just backtracking, never really saw the bag since G took it out of the trunk at the towyard and G must have mentioned it to C.
i know catherine, what was the point with the pizza box, if it’s empty then throw it away, unless she placed the remain on top of the box in order to keep fluids from leaking into the carpet
Thanks for the welcome! I have been reading this blog on a regular basis. Not sure I have ever seen anything quite like this case! This is an outstanding blog!
Last note on my Zenida=Casey theory, I remember Casey saying during her interrigation, and I hesitate to say this… during her own “investigation” when Caylee went missing, ” I went to places Zenida took Caylee. The parks, stores, Universal and the Fusion Bar.” FUSION BAR? The photos show Casey at Fusion bar, witnesses told police of how Casey took Caylee to the parks, the stores and Universal..anyway, that’s my silly theroy!
There are so many other issues that I’m quite sure the prosecution will reveal in court. One thing I’ve noticed too is, Lee has fallen off the face of the earth. He revealed the cellphone records to Padilla, made a few statements publically and then when the heat was turned up, he clammed up. I haven’t seen much of him lately.
I really think Lee’s involved more than Cindy or George. I think he may have even disturbed the crime scene/evidence. In someway, he knows what is up and is involved! I look forward to Lee’s testimony in this case, especially when I know he’ll be asked if Casey told him anything. He cannot hide behind any privledge. If a family member tells another anything pertaining to a case, they cannot withhold any information in court! He better sing or else he’ll be held in contempt!
Another interesting twist I did hear is someone stated that Lee may have given Casey a cellphone to use. Mike Brooks of CNN said, in response, ” If they think that would throw the investigators off, they’re wrong. Brooks continued, ” Again, without revealing ‘the feds’ technology, if there is any kind of cellphone activity coming from the home, it’s being monitored!They can track anything she is doing on a cellphone anywhere.”
Don’t forget too that,Baez and Casey, as Desi used to say to Lucy, “…have some explaining to do!” We worry about how convincing the evidence is the State has provided. But, the defense has to explain logically and convice to Jurors of no wrong doing on Casey’s behave on the following facts:
-Why Casey’s cellphone would be pinging in the woods near an airport.
-Where in the world Casey was going on those days she said she was going to work when records show she was unemployed!
-How parents had no idea she didn’t work at Universal Studios or anyplace and never saw Zanida.
– Why neighbors said, “Cindy and Casey were constantly fighting, shouting profanity at each other!” Lee’s statement about the on going “fued’ between Cindy and Casey. Then the Ants constantly claim in media, “we are a loving family.”
– How Cindy referred to no abuse ever toward Caylee, when; Cindy had no idea where Casey and Caylee, residents in her home, were for over a month! Explain, the Cindy choking Casey on 6/15 to the brink of Casey passingout incident. after Casey stold money from her grandmother!
– How Cindy wanted to, “press charges” on her “wonderful mother” daughter for stealing her car and money on the infamous initial 911 call!
– To quote Cindy, “Casey was a great Mother!” Casey was an, habitual lying, unemployed teen mother living off her parents, stealing from anyone she came in contact with, pawned off her daughter whenever possible, to go party and took Caylee to parties and had her sleep/”passout” on the couch wherever the party was! Not sure great is the word I would use…
– How on a video, at a time Casey stated, “I was absolutely terrified” in the days Caylee went missing. Casey seemed cool, calm and collected as she purchased party items, food and not one thing for her two year old daughter! She was cooking dinners with whomever she was shacked up with at the time and NEVER mentioned to anyone that Caylee was missing! “terrified”…ok!
Looks like I don’t have a life huh? I actually do! I am very busy currently, but do indulge in this “guilty” pleasure. I do love all of your comments and Simon’s views! I will try to be a “regular” from this point until Casey’s conviction! Thanks again for the welcome and positive response to my earlier post!
Dan
From SC!
was the pizza box found in car traced to wherever it was purchased,like wld there be cctv records of whom bought it?was it a plant to takeaway smell in car?
sorry to change the subject, hi to everyone i just srolled down checking names yea!!! mamabear is back i looked this morning and no mb glad to see the blogger fam is all back, ok now i can go and read everyones blogs, yea!!! i feel all warm and fuzzy now :){{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}
lol @ anna, hi there…dan you did your homework, good post
Another great post, Dan! I look forward to your additions to this blog. The Anthony’s have a “through the looking glass” reality about how they want to appear and what’s really happening.
Although, all of us met through this site, because of our passion to see justice for Caylee, we as individuals, bring so many different feelings and ideas to this blog.
I happen to read yesterday’s blogs and I have to admit that I too have gotten involved in much the same type of discussion. I would like to share what I learned from my experience, hoping that it will help others when they feel hurt, personally attacked or frustrated on this site.
I learned that resentment does not simply disappear, it has to be worked out whether it’s at home, at work or on a blogging site or someone is left feeling hurt or angry. I learned that bringing so many different backgrounds and experiences to the table makes it difficult for everyone to agree on the same thing. I learned that everyone should have a voice and everyone should have to give and take a little in order to make it work.
I learned that whether we are rich or poor, educated or not, formal or casual, we were all raised to have manners and respect for other people, regardless of their beliefs and values. I found that no one intentionally tries to hurt another person’s feelings on this site, but sometimes it’s difficult to express your frustration (when you should be able to) without stepping on someone’s toes. And let’s face it, that person’s toes may be very sensitive and comfortable in their shoes before you stepped on them… but I learned to take off my shoes, rub my toes and try to find that middle ground again. It’s definitely a work in progress!.
I promise not to bring it up again! 🙂
i need to log off for a bit, i’ll be back a little later…bye bye for now
the only reason that i can think of for not calling poliece right away is to try and get away with something, thats how people are, if someone has nothing to hide they let it be known,1 calling poliece 2 letting family know, if m and her mother were so close if she needed to tell someone wouldnt that be the logical person? not someone who doesnt exist or that you havent talked to in yrs, the bottom line is everything has been a stall tactic cooked up by m, leading to less evidence and possible complete disposal of a body i can only think she dreads the next search because someone might find something, bet thats when the phone calls home from jail start, hoping no one knows anything more
MMT——CHECK OUT DANS POST:
Dan from SC said,in October 25th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
FOR PUZZLE
HEY ANNA
BYE BRI
RIGHT ON ANNA
Dan is right,
Even if Momster had an excuse for not buying her child something, it wouldn’t make sense since she wasn’t even spending her own money.
I could understand stopping quickly at a 7/11 store or gas station. But momster took her time to pick out certain items…
The things she was buying wasn’t things for herself so why didn’t she pick up a toy or a child related item for Caylee? No excuse other then the facts… The same reason why Caylee doesn’t have her favorite baby doll buried with her…. Momster never planned on seeing her daughter alive ever again…
Dan you raise some intereting points(most of which I agree with. Question everyone talks about the fight where C chokes m… but where is that from. I thought everyone said it came from LV interview, but I went and relistened to it and it mentions they had issues going back to the day Caylee is born. but never mentions choking. I know there were rumors of fighting on June 15th by neighbors I think. Did the choking really happen and if so how do we know that. AS everyone clearly admits news people can twist alot around. Not knocking anybody’s thoughts just trying to see what is a fact by LE standards. Anyone who can shed light please feel free to tell me. IF you know where it is tell me I can go find it also.
LOL anna
concernedforcaylee said,Question everyone talks about the fight where C chokes m… but where is that from. I thought everyone said it came from LV interview
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That came from Padilla on Nancy Grace’s show but it has never been verified as far as I know.
hey dan, you acually put it into words (beter than i could) of what i believe we have all been wondering and talking about, so mant untruths and unanswered questions thanks for your input i will love reading what you and everyone has to say seems like you guys can put into words better than i can but its all the same to me we have one cause and thats caylee, between us all we might figure out this puzzle thanks ALL you guys, gals , bananna head 🙂
Exactly, Allie. When you are caring for a child you buy all sorts of cheap, entertaining things to keep them busy. Crayons, coloring books, movies, etc. by the TRUCKLOAD. I don’t think that favorite book of Caylee’s and the doll would entertain a kid for long. She was obviously grieving that day with food, beer and lingerie.
o.k thanks. Leonard is quite a character, I do think his motives are good, but I don’t think he is always right either. Everyone speculated that he was talking about the parentage of Caylee when he mentioned this explosive DNA results… but either LE hasn’t released it all or I am missing what he wanted us to know. I can’t even tell that they did any tests with LV,C, or G, dna swabs.
Plus, when my credit card was stolen, this person had three kids, and you should have seen the stuff they bought….
I can guarantee the other hundred times she bought things for Caylee she wasn’t using her own money, so why would this time be different.
No Cathrine I don’t like Dr Phil
I also think Padilla may have gotten info from woman who spent all that time with M. We know she lied to everyone about everything so who knows what the truth is. But (And I don’t condone violence)choking M has crossed my mind a time or two.
Dak,
I didn’t think so. Lol
How about Dr. Laura?
would that not be normal routine to take dna swabs from all family and anyone else in contact with caylee prior to her going missing?
where is lv???? i dont believe he is in hiding just to write his blood money book…
I was starting to worry where you were MMT, I hadn’t seen any of your posts for a while.
I’m glad to see your back and well…
And if you never left. I most have skipped over your posts not realizing it…
i know how can this be such a wonderfull and loving family with the fights that go on? there must have been many more, and if c acted this way to m then how did m act twards little caylee? parents pass down more than good traits, i accually rember c saying at one x m got her parenting skills from her, i believe it was in the bond hearing where c was telling the judge how m disiplined caylee, about bringing her to eye level and saying look at mommy, how does that change so dramaticly to chocking someone, prob the norm in that house, wonder if any of the neighbors have been interviewed, also rember hearing g was upset that a neighbor who had known them for yrs, was happy the finaly indited m saying shes getting what she deserved, possibly these neighbors know alot about this family, when alot of disfunction is going on in one house its noticed and you dont have to be nosey to notice it either, its usualy the house you dont want your kids going or hanging out there/with, right?
MMT,
You are ” The Original” Aren’t you? LOL
Dan from SC…Great post… I’m not sure if anyone answered you regarding the whereabouts of MIA Lee… but according to all sources he’s busy writing a book, completely absorbed in making money off his niece’s tragedy.
I agree Minnie, I thought the dna swabs were to rule out the mtdna. The half strand only follows lineage of mother so they would rul out C, M, and LV leaving Caylee as the only unaccounted for dna on maternal side.
I don’t think LV is involved(hold your fire)
I go back to an interview where he was asked if he believed is sister. He says ” absolutely, i wouldn’t be here if I didn’t” I think where he isn’t speaks alot. He gave LE all info as he collected it and although he believes some of her lies, he also told LE about dead squirrels and that he didn’t believe it, he seemed not to be in cover up mode to me. Only time will really tell. C is the one who said LV was writing a book, but that could be because she doesnt want to admit that he thinks M is guilty and Caylee is dead.
also if they were truly looking for caylee who would have the time to go and explain yourselfs to neighbors or anyone els for that matter ? myself i probably wouldnt be hearing what anyone said i be looking for my missing child, and catching up on gossip later!
BUT SHE AIN’T LIKE MOST OF US ANNA
I bet LE doesn’t want them to look for Caylee, IF they found her, her remains, or anything else at all there would such questions of contamination its not even funny. I don’t know of cases where LE let family members actively(physically ) search when one of their own is accused. WOuld seem to be conflict of interest
from the interview with amy supposidly jpchat didnt care for m at all even tho he looks like caylee i dont think hes the father.
I don’t either didn’t Padilla say on NG that the baby’s father was dead. That would leave the guy who died in N.C. Eric Lee Baker. who was 24. If it is the right Eric Baker of course.
alliethinks, thanks for thinking about me. I’m not on this site as much as I use to be but visit as often as I can. I’m NEVER giving up on seeing justice for Caylee!
plus wasn’t jp roomates with Tony, M had only met Tony in May of this year, how could this guy be the dad? Or am I getting him confused with someone else. Is Jp Tony’s roomate?
c4c,never thought of reason that lv isnt around is because he doesnt want any part with m lies,good point thanks..
realy hope that le has a big smokin gun at their side cause i dont think with what we all have seen from results it is good enough for a conviction.
Minnie, with what you have seen do you think a grand Jury would give a true bill in 30 minnutes? That means LE had plenty more…… She will be Convicted. of murdering Caylee
i also think if c hadnt touched anything in that trunk (washing pants, etc) wed have more clues, you cant tell me that wasnt done for a reason, if they hadnt found m i bet thoes pants wouldnt have been washed, m probably has something over c head, to make her feel as she was also at fault for what ever happened to caylee, ex. “if you hadnt kicked me out this wouldnt have happened” “if you wouldnt have chocked me i would have never done it” just like the jail call about it not being herown fault shes in there, i think c has alot of guilt about the way she treated m and thats why shes covering unless she had some direct contact that made this happen and than m wouldnt cover for her at all shed been gone from the start, right?
MAMABEAR thanks… please be a second set of eyes for me so that I don’t miss anything to add to the puzzle list. It’s growing!
I don’t think the defense can come up with a logically explanation to why Momster didn’t get police help when her daughter went missing…
Hell, we have Momster on the phone with 911 called for immediate back up when protestors were at the Ants……
The state will open with the facts that this mother of a 2 year old child did not call police when she fear her child was in danger…
Its not a crime to leave your child with someone you trust, Its a crime when you do nothing to help your child if you fear the child safety.
The sad thing is that we don’t even have a baysitter in this case…Big RED FLAG to me
Actually Catherine I’ve never watched Dr Laura
O.k. so quick check J.P. is actually Ricardo’s roomate not Tony’s? Is that right? If so do we know how long M has known him. I see some similarities between Caylee and J.P.
Remember that C washed the pants Before anyone knew “Caylee had been kiddnapped” If she were really helping cover for m she would never have called the LE in the first place. G didn’t throw the bag in the trunk away the man from the tow yard did. G is the one who told LE about the bag and they went and got it from tow company trash.
c4c,i pray that she is found guilty and i believe 100% that m is guilty.With the lab results that were released i have a fear that it isint enough,i guess i was hoping that it was going to be more precise.
This is also very different procdure from where im from so please dont feel like im picking holes or wanting anything other than to make m pay,i just want that 100%
I don’t I think you are ike me… lookng only for what is fact and not just rumor or speculation. I know LE has much more than this. She WILL be convicted. Caylee will get her justice. There will be plenty more evidence.
personaly i think c&g are worried that m actions will reflect on them i think c is worried that she wont look like the perfect mom either, i think she took the easy way out like alot of parents do nowadays and let m get away with alot, and the result of thier lazyness was the death and coverup of thier grandaughter, i think lv knows the truth and doesnt want to have to be the one who will spill the beans, someone said while back “the apple doesnt fall far from the tree” and just like mother like daughter? hmm
UR RIGHT ON WITH THIS C4C
Anna I do agree we are a product of our parents but it still ultimately comes down to choice…. No one will ever convince me that M is not responsible for her actions, i.e. her parents are. I know that is not what you are saying. I think we all make mistakes as parents, some mistakes are bigger than others… BUT M did this because she is a sociopath, putting herself first. If all the pyschologists and pyschiatrists in the world can’t cure a sociopath do we really think anything C & G didcould have changed what she (m) is?
I FEEL THAT WAY 2 ANNA
i want the same as you c4c,i am a deep worrier always looking for things to go wrong,and finding faults,but i want more than anything for peace for caylee,and for all of us,and i will keep faith like you that will happen.
There is no medicine or ure for sociopaths that is what makes them so dangerous. They have no conscious, no sense of law. they are their own law and whatever they want is justifiable.
TRUE C4C
WE will all be here together when they find Caylee in a couple of weeks, when the trial starts, and when the verdict comes down. Know this to Minnie, I too am filled with doubts sometimes… This case can tear you up because we all know what is right… and it seems the laws and rights are tipped in the favor of the “bad guys” Justice will prevail.
im not a lawer or forensic sientist or some great scholar but i do know that truth can be told one time, lies you have to keep on going with them because sometimes you forget what is said, and then the stories get stranger, it was pointed out early on that m uses a bit of truth with her lies to keep rememberig what is told, sounds to me like someone who has lots of practice in this field, im47 yrs and last night had to explain a white lie to my 12 yr old”one that wouldnt hurt someones feeling” so if m is this experianced as to use a bit of truth she must if learned that somewhere c”mom” maybee? boy how did g live with this all the X must have had hell a good sex? sorry guys!
yucky thought. Maybe I just thought they (c & g) thats why she is always in such a horrible mood.
wasn’t quite clear last post. I never thought C & G had Sex that is WHY she is always in a horrible mood.
cec, I’ve been a member of the Florida Bar a little over 20 years; I have never been counsel on a death penalty case. My practice over 20 years has averaged maybe 65 percent civil, 35 percent criminal; a notable percentage of the criminal clients were civil clients that picked up criminal charges during the course of the civil matter. I’ve represented several clients who were called as witnesses in death cases, and researched case law on a couple (also given feedback) for attorney friends involved. I don’t often develop an interest in publicized OR fictionalized cases. This one got my attention because it is here in Florida, has DCF* issues (Department of Children & Family Services) and some other attorneys were talking about it before Court last Monday morning. The next day a friend of mine who is a licensed foster parent brought it up, so I started reading about it………
*Most allegations of child abuse, neglect, and abandonment do not result in criminal charges. I usually have several dependency cases, as they are called in Florida, at all times.
PS. I can tell ya about criminal procedure in Florida if anybody has any questions. : )
I am going away for awhile.
I feel that we are just rehashing old news and I am all about November 8th.
you guys take care and I hope that you all will realize that everyone has a voice and needs to be recognized and maybe they aren’t your “special” people you talk with but what they post is important and maybe needs to be noticed at least.
Take care eveyone. HaVE FUN REHASHING…….
DID YA’LL READ THIS:
Casey Anthony: Profile Of A Sociopath
blogcritics.org/archives/2008/10/19/222920.php
Please Peach that would be “peachy” Sorry bad pun. Will LE release all evidence before trial or just what someone requests. Fla has different information rules than we do in Texas.
thankyou c4c,even now as i type i have tears thinking of this little girl i have never met but i realy love so much,i look at my own daughter and it just breaks my heart that caylee never had this love from her mother.
goodnite everyone.
cayleexxx
c4c i totaly agree people are responsible for thier own actions, its also a parents responsibilaty to teach them that, if a parent always makes excuses for thier child thats how it will always be exp. “you made me hit you” “if you didnt do that I wouldnt have done that” its alot in what we are raised and taught bottom line tho you are always supposidbly hald accountable for your actions, to many people today are not and can or a parent will take the fall wich in turn teaches a young person nothing, you have to let a young person take thier consequenses (even if you can get them out) wich is hard for parents but in the big pitchure is better
Anita, I am sorry if you felt you were being ignored. I went back and looked I don’t even show a posting from you for the last hour and a half. Did I miss it? Please ask again I wouldn’t ignore anyone on purpose. I do hope you will come back we all are important and have good incite. YOU ARE RIGHT.
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Cindy and George keep saying that “Casey is a great daughter and mother.” That means absolutely NOTHING to me. I want cold hard facts, in detail, on what M does that makes her a great daughter and mother. Evidently, they can’t even think of one to add to their statement because it’s all a lie.
If I wrote on an employee’s evaluation that she is a great employee, she would want to know what she does that makes her a great employee. Does she have fast and accurate computer skills, is she able to work with little or no supervision and then I would have to back my statements up with examples.
With all we know about M her being a great daughter and mother is laughable!
BYE NITA
AGREE THIS SHOULD BE A 5 PERSON BLOG.
NITE MINNIE
you’re right mmt facts are what we want and ulitmately what a jury will want. I think C & G are being vague because they can be forced to testify and they don’t want any evidence to impeach them. HEaring their own voices played to a jury and then having to defend a lie. not smat
Why 5 person blog speak? Not sure I understand the comment
Speak,
I have been trying for the longest but can’t make it in. Everything I post is ignored unless it is soemthing that someone else that is “one” picks up and takes it and talks about it. Then it isn’t me that posted it it is the “one” that gets credit.
Good luck! and hope you get further than I did!
Anita, when is the last time you posted. I scrolled back a ways and didn’t see one from you. I am willing to answer or discuss your opinion. Tell me where to find it and I will go back and look.
anita,you are absoutly right. only a select few will answer each others post. if this is a blog friendly site,its not for me.
Anita,
I always cared about your opinion, and agree that there is a lot of repeating the same old things over and over again. I hope you come back to the blog.
Anita said,in October 25th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Speak To Me.
Sorry, please give the blog another chance. We all want the same thing Justice for Caylee.
ALL THIS WAS A SLIP BY ON ALL OUR PARTS. AM SO SORRY NITA.
AND U KNOW WHAT: (U SOUND LIKE A TROUBLE MAKER)
SPEAK TO ME said,in October 25th, 2008 at 7:46 pm anita,you are absoutly right. only a select few will answer each others post. if this is a blog friendly site,its not for me.
val said,in October 25th, 2008 at 6:04 pm Possible Add for Justice for Caylee Puzzle:
Date when Puerto Rico plans/texts started
Date when money was stolen from Grandfather
Date if ticket purchased and price
Date of cancellation of plans and reasons
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Hi Val! Thanks for you additions for the Justice for Caylee Puzzle. I’m adding in what I can, but I never heard anything about a ticket being purchased. Do you know if that’s a fact? I did hear that when she had to cancel plans for the trip that’s when she started looking up missing children’s sites…. so I’ll add that one too. Let me know if you there was a ticket purchased
Thanks Mama, went back and looked. although didn’t address by name we all did engage in a conversation about the “dad” being J.P. and people did respond. Sorry if I wasn’t more friendly. I will try not to do that again. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
to ca, we need some strong prayers that are little caylee will be found, or at least some evedince of her i believe with your prayers and all of us together praying she will be found, they say 2 people toghther praying brings the lords presence? i believe he is with always and with enough people together justice will be done goodnight all keep up the good work and am praying ( i hope i didnt offend anyones beliefs) just stating my own 🙂
GO TO BED RV
hello to everyone. Can’t stay long but wanted to see how all my friends are doing? Mamabear kept me updated a little and about the puzzle (or list) that MMT started! I read part of it but haven’t had time to read the whole blog page. What a fun idea! MMT….your always full of good ideas! I need to read to catch up here so I know what’s been happening, so I’ll be silent as I read…but I”m still here.
Anita, don’t leave. You and everyone else are an important part of our blog. We’ve all felt left out of the conversation at one time or another, (even myself), but trust me, no one intentionally does that. Sometimes, rehashing brings up new ideas, especially when new bloggers come aboard. email me at mrnmrsmaas@hotmail.com before you decide to leave…K?
concernedforcaylee said,in October 25th, 2008 at 7:44 pm Anita, when is the last time you posted. I scrolled back a ways and didn’t see one from you. I am willing to answer or discuss your opinion. Tell me where to find it and I will go back and look.
Scroll back more….
that is how much I tried and was ignored…??
WASN’T JUST U C4C, I DID IT TOO. WAS AN “OVER LOOK”.
WHAT????? RV is back???????? Please fill me in???
CHSAH FOR ONE:
SPEAK TO ME said,in October 25th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Speak to me, you should stay. email me if you like, before you decide to leave!
ok….better read a little to catch up! lol..
CHSAH,
Hi how are you?
Dear Heavenly Father we come to you as a group and ask for your help to stay encouraged, to encourage each other, and to remember that we ALL care about and want to see Justice for Caylee. The days seem to drag on so long, give us the patience to hold out for Caylee. Our beautifu angel deserves for us to stand together and keep watch until she is brought home and given the burial she deserves, with grace, diginity and honor. Help us to stay faithful to the cause. Also Lord help us to each search our own hearts and to look for ways to help encourage each other and look into our communities to make a difference one child at a time. Help us also realize the GREATEST TRIBUTE ANYONE OF US COULD GIVE TO CAYLEE IS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIFE OF ANOTHER CHILD SO THEY DON’T HAVE TO SUFFER AS CAYLEE SUFFERED. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN.
anita
i answered you at 6.08 but u didnt reply.
good evening ladies…what’s up now ?
Anita,
Email me decoranddetails@att.net
AMEN
THANKS C4C
Hi Bri,
People are leaving left and right. I wonder why?
thanks for prayer c4c.goodnite.[again!!]
catherine, YOU GOT MAIL !
HEY BRI
NITE MINNIE……
Night, Minnie
you are both welcome. sometimes we all need a reminder of what is truly important. I was reminded and will try and do better. goodnight Minne, Anita,
Ok brb
catherine, i haven’t a clue, i had to leave for a little while to get some chores done…has kris been on yet ?
Cat I think everyone is getting frustrated because there really isn’t that much new information and the info out there at times seems to be giving the idea that m is going to get off. (evidence seems weak to some).
Bri, Thanks for the recipe.
YES C4C——THE STRESS FACTOR
who is disenchanted now ? who ever it is, stay for a while and you’ll that for the most part we all get along, sometimes we have a small spat, but then we get over it and move on…we all have the same concern about little caylee, that’s the glue that holds us together
THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO DO MMT’S IDEA. GET US GOIN.
yep and we all need to stay strong and keep waiting… This thing will drag on for a while yet. Peach are you still here. If you answered my question about the info laws in FLa. I missed it. I think it is great to have a person in law involved to explain some of this stuff and maybe you could give us a sense of how much evidence is needed for a conviction.
Okay I know I said something about this already because it bothers me. Just because a new blogger comes on here and sounds similar to another one who is still or was on here does not mean it is. i think the assuming someone is someone else needs too stop. When a new blogger comes here and gets accused of being someone else its rude and hurtful and I know from previous experience. We should learn to respect new people and give them the benefit of the doubt and not jump to conclusions and I am tempted to e-mail Jan about it.
CFC,
I agree and I also think we all would take a break, and have a laugh then get back to talking about Caylee.
For some reason there are lots of eggshells in this room for no reason.
RIght Bri, the stronger the emotion the more likely there will be disagreements. This is a subject that matters to everyone here.
CAT DOES GOOD 2. ON THE LEGAL STUFF
i still have some pots and pans to wash, all of my chores have heaped up on me, and feeling over whelmed right now…i need help, anyone gonna help me ???
Dak, Your right. So let’s agree to stop it.
definately with you mamabear on that. Cat is very informative and if she doesn’t know the answer she usually goes and looks it up. Great detecitive work there for sure. I was joking yesterday about her being one of the people who processed lab tests and wrote a report.
Thanks for agreeing Cat.
CFC,
That’s why it’s ok to laugh once in awhile. This case is getting to everyone.
Your welcome. Dak
Yes Bri I will help you…..
GO BRI GI BRI. ( i am your cheering section)
Hey I think Bri has done enough choresfor one day. Besides they will just be needing to be done again tomorrow. (now I am Your pr person)
Hi catherine! I can’t even begin to get caught up….I get further behind! LOL….missed you guys!
MAMABEAR said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:35 pm DON’T U GIRLS THINK MMT’S IDEA WAS A GOOD ONE?
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Mamabear… Thanks for your support! I think you pulled the wool over our eyes and you have a keener eye than you will let on to. I see that you have an eye for detail.
Now I know why everyone on here thinks the world of you! You make everyone feel good about themselves.
You, my dear, have a heart as BIG AS TEXAS!
U KNOW WHAT DAK—————I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT MY CALLER ID AND HAVE DECIDED TO PICK UP THE PHONE AFTER ALL. IF YOU WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ID: “SPEAK TO ME”. FOR THAT NAME TO JUST POP IN HERE WITH THIS TO SAY: “anita,you are absoutly right. only a select few will answer each others post. if this is a blog friendly site,its not for me.”
THAT ISN’T A TROUBLE MAKER?
AND THE NAME DOES SAY WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT
you are right a good laugh can ease the tension.
” well anyone know a good joke” in a backwards kinda way”
or we could talk about the t-hirt slogans again. those were pretty funny.
that’s right, a little laughter can go a long way, sort of breaks up the stress…but we always go back to the topic
CFC,
Wish I could process lab reports. Now that is funny. LOL
Exactly, Bri
MMT—–THAT IS SO FUNNY THAT YOU POSTED SOMETHING NICE ABOUT ME JUST AS I WAS JUMPIN ON DAK. GUESS U CAN SEE ME NOW. HUH………
LMFAO
IS THAT MY “SIGN”?
hello Mama, I am your pr person now. You were lovingly correcting daks misconception of your statement and therefore he violated your right to speak freely. blah blah blah
LMAO C4C……..2 FUNNY.
Where is BOP, Gumshoe, and snookers?
thanks c4c lol, i have been spending to much time on blogging and neglection my house hold chores, i hate a dirty house and everyone can write their names in all my dusty furniture, i haven’t vacumed for a long time, and centepedes are coming in from the cold ugh i’ll have to break down and get with it, tomorrow might be a better idea lol
WELL HELL, I TOLD YA’LL RIGHT UPFRONT THAT I WAS A BITCH. LMAO
cat don’t you secretly want to though? I know I would love to walk into OCSD and say I am here to help investigate this case and read all about it. Now that would be a dream>>> alas All I can do is sit at my computer and blog my investigative dream But I bet we are not far off on alot of it. We share alot of good thoughts and ideas. We always need a good devil’s advocate. That game was fun. anyone want to play again.
Concerned, Florida allows very broad discovery (some states use the term disclosure). The initial request from the defense is to be answered with all information in the state’s possession reasonably calculated to lead to admissible evidence. If the State Attorney* is gonna use it, the defense gets it. AND the State must turn over ALL exculpatory** evidence WITHOUT request. The defense can conceal their evidence by not requesting the State’s, but that is unlikely in death cases. The duty to provide discovery continues through the case without further request.
* In Florida the prosecutor is called STATE’S ATTORNEY, some states use the term DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
**EXCULPATORY evidence is any evidence that shows, or might show. or lead to other things that show, the Defendant is NOT guilty. That includes witnesses, physical evidence, statements, observations, photographs, writings, recordings etc.
Dak, Your posts really make us think, so don’t stop posting. OK
who is the florida law enforcement in here ???
thanks peach.. now does everything that get turned over to the defense automatically become public information? Everyone keeps talking about LE leaks, but doesn’t the news people havea right to request info and they get it. Isnt that what that one motion by BB to have M secretly travel so news would get hold of it.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH. HEY FELLA. I DIDN’T READ ALL THAT. GO TELL JAN. DO WHAT EVER U THINK U NEED TO DO TO SIT ON THE POTTY
CFC,
Oh yes I would love that.
yea dak. I like to debate with you. you at answer comments and respond, don’t always like outcome but love the typr/sparring with you.
Peach said earlier been part of Fla bar for 20 years, mostly civil but some criminal.
kris, where are you, we’re here but you’re not, you’re not here but we are, where are you lol
oh ok, thanks c4c, so peach, give us your oppinion on the case
Peach,
Thanks, very interesting.
MAMA ineve said Speak to me was or wasn’t a troublemaker or that that makes a diffrence my point was to not assume just because they come in here like that that they are someone else. You were basically assuming SPEAK was RV and that was what I was talking about.
GO AHEAD DAK. I WILL LEAVE U ALONE BUT PLEASE DO THE SAME TO ME. THANK YOU
o.k. does everyone want to play devil’s game. I will be devil unless someone else wants to volunteer. Rules of game are you ask any question of whoever I am and I will answer only with info that was provided in LE interviews if I know it. You can correct me if I state it wrong. This gives us each a chance to hear the other side. If you want to play type only one question at a time. last time i think I missed some questions trying to keep up.
Let me know who I am and lets getting going on this. Only one hard to do is M because all we have are the lies(she admits the
Well, that is true Dak.
I HAVE TURNED MY PHONE OFF TO U DAK AND ALSO MY CALLER ID.
go for it c4c ! i missed the other game
Is that the same game we played the other night CFC?
r we still playing the puzzle (list) game?
MMT, can you tell me where we are at with the list?
Read your guy’s fun you had the other night playing the “cindy answer the question game”! That was freaking hilarious!
Bri, It is fun.
who’s gonna be linda this time ?
MAYBE YOU COULD GET A VOLEN.FOR “M”
CHSAH,
That’s the C. game, yes.
yep, but there are ways to express a tone and it makes one become defensive. I have been off and on most of the afternoon, and I think that was the first post by speak that I saw. While I admit that doesn’t make them RV when someone seems to attack out of no where you naturally think they must “know us” as in chatted under a different name. Maybe I missed other posts by speak. Anita is a different story she has been in here before.
My email is awilliams1964@aol.com if anyone her would like to chat with me.
Otherwise, I wish you all the best and please take care of everyone you care about on this site. Justice will be served……
i want to play the ask the question game !
CFC,
Ok I will start the game and then everybody else can take a turn, ok?
shoot i have to think up good questions !
yes it is what we did the other night. everyone can be linda and ask questions just give me time to respond.
you go girfriend !
Bri……Kris is MIA. Yesterday, you know who got back so she’s probably ‘catching up on his chore list!’ Hopefully she’ll join us later. She said she was off work this week and would be blogging late.
I KNOW ANITA AND DIDNT THINK THAT WAS HER AS SPEAK.
Anita we all do CARE about YOU stay and give this a chance Please.
Anita,
I will email you. Please stay and play this game, you will enjoy it.
o.k. I am C this time first?
LADIES, we had a blow out last night, lets not do it again tonight
Concerned who knows how many bloggers may have wanted to come in here but have seen how people judge other people and got scared away, thats why I said we shouldn’t judge whetehr a blogger has blogged under a different name just because of similar styles. Hell people thought me and RV were the same person until Jan cleared it up.
Please answer this question with a yes or a no
Did you tuck your grandchild in bed on the night of June, 15th?
go c4c, i’m with ya
agreed dak… but we are all human. Lets just play the game. You could even be devil’s advocate if you want. You defend the questions based solely on info in Le interviews. You’d be good at it.
Yes
CFC
Question 1 was asked.
ok who is next
Next question
Anita….you’ve got mail!
CAT U DON’T HAVE A FOLLOW UP ? TO THAT?
so to avoid confusion i will type question and answer so everyone can ind it easier.
Did you tuck Caylee in on June 15th?
Cindy Yes.
are we supose to wait for the answer ? or do we bombard c4c with questions ?
Ok great
I THOUGHT U WERE LEADING UP TO SOMETHING ELSE
just go with questions but be patient.
cfc Ask for the next question
I want everyone to know..
I am who I am!
I dont change names and I dont change my way of thinking…
I am always going to be who I am. I am not like those who have to change their names to get to get the guts to say what they think….
I am ANITA….
Anytime you see my name…. It is me… Another name is and never will be me.
next question
I agree Anita I dont believe anyone thought YOU were someone else. Ask a question of C.
ok, i have a whopper, yet a little confused about how to phrase the question…hmmm here goes…G what did you mean by not liking the odor in the car trunk ? what was it that raised red flags for you ?
Saw where people thaought I was SPEAK
NOT!!!!!!!
I am who I am!!! I do not have to hide.
G what did you mean by not liking the odor in the car trunk ? what was it that raised red flags for you ?
Well having worked in LE before that smell is very troubling to me. It bothers me alot. I am not going to lie. It bothers me.
Anita I think they thought speak was RV not you were speak.
so what did the smell remind you of ??? i hope i
m posing the questions right
NITE–U HAVE MAIL. NO SWEETY. I SAID RV WAS SPEAK. THERE WERE 2 DIFFERENT TOPICS GOING ON.
Anita,
I know you are not “Speak” you have always been Anita,
Hugs
Caylee has stolen America’s thanks for your comment about the Justice of Caylee puzzle. I think comparing all our ideas with what the prosecution will present at trial will be interesting.
so what did the smell remind you of ??? i hope i
m posing the questions right
Well I guess my first thought was it smelled like a dead body ( guessing he didn’t actually say that in interview)
questions are fine Bri.
next question…
Cindy, Why did you give your daughter 31 days before you finally decided to actually go out and look for her and Caylee.
concernedforcaylee said,in October 25th, 2008 at 8:29 pm yep, but there are ways to express a tone and it makes one become defensive. I have been off and on most of the afternoon, and I think that was the first post by speak that I saw. While I admit that doesn’t make them RV when someone seems to attack out of no where you naturally think they must “know us” as in chatted under a different name. Maybe I missed other posts by speak. Anita is a different story she has been in here before.
MAMABEAR said,in October 25th, 2008 at 8:31 pm I KNOW ANITA AND DIDNT THINK THAT WAS HER AS SPEAK.
Cindy, Why did you give your daughter 31 days before you finally decided to actually go out and look for her and Caylee.
I didn’t didn;t wait 31 days. I was looking and calling her the whole time asking to see Caylee. But when we got the car from the impound yard there was information in the car with amy’s number. That is how I tracked her down.
YES ANITA SHE WAS SAYING THAT U WERE IN FACT ANITA.
sorry I wasn’t clear I was saying anita has been in here before as anita I recognize the name “anita” The thought speak was rv not ANita I promise.
Hi ladies!!
Boy,it is so good to be able to find my ‘group’ again!! I guess I am what you would call a ‘lurker’!!!LOL… but that is because all of you have written,discussed etc to all my questons, thoughts… I especially get a kick out of “mamabear”!! But you ALL seem to read my mind before I have a chance to type it!!!! (I am a bit slow at typing!!)
I am glad to see everyone working as a team.. we all have to remember it is about this baby.. and the horrific actions her so-called mother did..
it truly brings a disgrace against the word ‘mom’…
Please keep it up… you all are very intelligent people, and often quite
hilarious(don’t think that is spelled right!)
It does give you the warm and fuzzies to think there is so much love for a child none us have ever met. But being a mom, 2 girls 21 & 24 and a grandma – 2year old ali.. the love of my life; we all feel a need to right this wrong…
Keep strong.. Luv all of you!!
MMT, can you email me what we have for the puzzle already, I would like to think about it and maybe add somethings as we go?
so cindy, what did you do ? why didn’t you go choke M’s neck again ? why did M ask for one more day ?
I GOT THAT C4C. CAN U SEE IT NITA?
HEYYYYY LILRED. WELCOME
so cindy, what did you do ? why didn’t you go choke M’s neck again ? why did M ask for one more day ?
As you all have heard Casey had made some new friends, I didn’t know how to contact them. I thought she was working, or on vaction. At first I had no reason to doubt her… but then things began piling up. I didn’t know where she was so I couldn’t even go to her much less…. She was saying that Caylee was sleeping, or busy and I could see her tomorrow. I thought she was just still mad at me about the arguement we had because of the money.
next question please.
AND ANITA, I JUMPED AND SAID THAT CUZ I THOGHT C4C THOUGHT– I THOUGHT IT WAS U SO I SAID ”
I KNOW ANITA AND DIDNT THINK THAT WAS HER AS SPEAK.
CUZ I
Anita said,in October 25th, 2008 at 8:46 pm MAMABEAR said,in October 25th, 2008 at 8:31 pm I KNOW ANITA AND DIDNT THINK THAT WAS HER AS SPEAK.
sh-t, i’m gonna have to get up for a while, hubby is competing with the blog, grrrr i’m gonna drop kick him again, to the curb and off with his head…bbl
Lilred……..awwwwww, thanks for the warm fuzzy! We ALL needed that!
next question:
I would guess that you began to find it odd that Casey did not allow you to speak to Caylee, regardless of the time of day you called. Why did you not ask for “the nanny’s” phone number so you could call Caylee directly?
C. isn’t it a fact that you said yor daughter was an unfit mother?
Please explain to the court why you labeled your daughter an unfit mother?
im not a lawer or forensic sientist or some great scholar
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THAT is a description of every juror that may sit on the case. The jury sits as a trier of fact. They apply the law but are not to tainted by personal experience, knowledge & prejudices about the legal system , scientific evidence or the individuals involved. They may have a sickening job to do in this case.
Since contemplating opinions often leads to insight……..what do other posters think? Was Caylee’s presumed death accident, gross negligence, or an intentional act?
I would guess that you began to find it odd that Casey did not allow you to speak to Caylee, regardless of the time of day you called. Why did you not ask for “the nanny’s” phone number so you could call Caylee directly?
I guess I wanted to keep from bugging the nanny. To my knowledge at the time she had taken good care of Caylee and i didn’t want to put her in the middle of a battle between me and Casey.
(adlibed of course)
(dang C4C…you ARE good at this.
Catherine….come on throw a tough question at her!
C. isn’t it a fact that you said yor daughter was an unfit mother?
Please explain to the court why you labeled your daughter an unfit mother?
Yes I did, but that was when I was angry. People say things when they are mad.
She doesn’t provide financially for Caylee and she likes to go hang out with friends too much for me. But when she was there she loved Caylee
Anita, you still here?
minnie said,at 4:41 pm “Just reading some of your posts and there is a great feeling from everyone that we can all help to get justice for caylee,mmt,the puzzle is first class idea,and you know what maybe something will turn up from it, was feeling realy down when i read lab results but all here has gave me hope and to get back on track again,thanks…”
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Minnie… thanks for supporting the Justice for Caylee puzzle. I’m glad to hear that you’re raring to go because we know there is strength in numbers. More people than ever are seeing what this case is all about and the spin that the defense team is trying to create.
I’m confident that we will see American justice at it’s finest!
Peach….guilty of murder in the first degree (intentional)
Is ‘t it a faxt C that you told your daughter’s friends that she was a thief, a liar and an unfut mother.
Please answer yes or no
Peach I believe it was an intentional act. The missing child search(depends on search date) the research of Chloroform. the negative comments about her to friends (Snothead and such) The covering for the smell. no apparent panic on anything she did after. other than nightmares and who knows what those were about?
Peach,
Agree with CHSAH
Is ‘t it a faxt C that you told your daughter’s friends that she was a thief, a liar and an unfut mother
Yes i did when I was angry
C would never just answer with one word sorry
thank Chsah I try to be fair to C & G even when My heart is ticked at their behavior.
C4C….I guess I wanted to keep from bugging the nanny. To my knowledge at the time she had taken good care of Caylee and i didn’t want to put her in the middle of a battle between me and Casey.
(adlibed of course)
can I object here and call you a liar????? (just kidding!) your doing good.
next question. If i have missed one sorry please repost or tell me time so I can scroll back.
Your honor please dirext the witness to answer my question.
LMAO CHSAH. 2 FUNNY. C4C IS VERY GOOD AT THIS
C4C….I guess I wanted to keep from bugging the nanny. To my knowledge at the time she had taken good care of Caylee and i didn’t want to put her in the middle of a battle between me and Casey.
(adlibed of course)
can I object here and call you a liar????? (just kidding!) your doing good.
Yes you can… but I would argue that even her friends (some) had heard the name at least as far back as I think 6 months and we have no evidence (yet) that C knew there was no Zanny.
Thanks for the compliment
ok i’m back for a little while…i want to know why M was bonding with caylee 3 yrs later
cat didn’t I answer it at 9:02
No, you said, C would never answer with one word.
CRAP BRI. I DIDN’T KNOW M BONDED WITH CAYLEE
Sorry I said
Is ‘t it a faxt C that you told your daughter’s friends that she was a thief, a liar and an unfut mother
Yes i did when I was angry
C would never just answer with one word sorry
c4c….that was funny! You have cindy down to a t…..extra words and all! (lol).
Good question Cat! I posted my comment before I read you sent a question already. Come on……..remember those “lawyer days” and give cindy (C4C) the third degree! LOL…
Yes or No C.
bri is that a question for C
C said M was bonding with her daughter “caylee” and there was no reason to worry
Yes or No C.
Yes
yes it’s a question
chsah as long as you all don’t send the linch mob to Texas we are fine.
lol
a question for C about M bonding with 3 year old caylee
OHHHHHH OK. GOT IT………
HI all.. finally some time on here.. now i missed all of the newest developments and i am sooo confused!!! help me!! from what i heard the hairs in trunk didn’t prove much? i thought if a live hair and dead hair are found this proves death occurred in the trunk to caylee…?? and what the hell abou tthe shovel??? what else in the report and why are you all saying disappointed in forensics? I thought saying that hair is live and then dead hair proves death in the runk so we now have proof, no reasobale jury would not convict when mom casey has no explanation how her daughter first winds up in a closed truink and second then dies there… isn’t this the mothers responsbility to use “reasonable” care in protecting her child ( I’m using what courtrooms would say) and so then doesnt thatmake mom casey responsible no matter how what or why she died in that trunk? even if accidental?????? I’m so confused…
i want to know why M was bonding with caylee 3 yrs later
at first when Casey didn’t bring Caylee by I did think that she just wanted to try and bond with her. After all Caylee and I were really close and I think she felt threatened by me. The only way Casey thought she could bond with Caylee was if I wasn’t there. And I wasn’t worried at first. But as time wore on and I didn’t even get to talk to her it overwhelmed me and I started to panic.
C ! why would M have to bond with caylee now at 3 years old, why didn’t she bond with her baby in utero, or at least right after birth
reading some blogs see a blogger named peach and her theory on this, that is the newest one we’ve ever talked of on here that C killed caylee?.. VERY interesting and different theory!!! does make a person wonder ( if only for a second)
i hope my blogs make sense, I’m very tired and missed alot. and alot of typos..
Pammy.
We are playing a game. Concerned for Caylee is on the witness stand pretending to be one of the Ant’s and we are all playing the prosecuter. We ask a question and she gives us an answer. If you scroll up a little bit you will understand how it is played.
next question:
Cindy, you appear to have loved Caylee very much. You provided for her financially, emotionally, physically more often than not, especially since Caylee and Casey lived with you since Caylee’s birth. Why would you not ever feel the need to know how to contact the ‘nanny’, via phone, address, etc. especially if something were to happen to Casey? How would you know where to pick up Caylee?
Pammyliz. The evidence does indicate there was a decomposing body in trunk. But because the dna is only partial strand it can not 100% say it was Caylee instead it says that it came from someone in te same maternal family. So they have concluded it is most likely either M (who is still alive) or Caylee whom no one has seen for months. its just technical stuff. and one news report made it seem like there was a shovel in the trunk of the car. Dont think anyone has proven if there really is another shovel or if report is just wrong. I am C right now so ask any questions you want.
HEY PAMMY
does any of my questions make sense as far as the state of mind for M, how she didn’t care less for caylee and that she never bonded with her child…
C ! why would M have to bond with caylee now at 3 years old, why didn’t she bond with her baby in utero, or at least right after birth
well Casey was very young when Caylee was born and so I think it was easier for her to stand back and let me take on the role of parent. I guess she felt threatened by my relationship with Caylee. We ARE very close me and Caylee.
thanks for the update, but m is not dead and would have no dead strand???? I do see you all playing the game but was so confused, is there somewhere to read that forensic report? they showed it on NG briefly… are all of you now doubting murder? and now saying manslaugter? is the general consensus changing? cause I am no more confused, I mean I never will doubt that M killed ths child, NEVER, but from the way i heard it they said one hair strand live one dead, alive in the rtunk and then died in the trunk
Prosecuter Sabrina asked you a question about your daughter leaving to bond with her daughter correct?
Could you explain to the court what your message said to your daughter about taking your grandchild away from you on your myspace.com
Cindy, you appear to have loved Caylee very much. You provided for her financially, emotionally, physically more often than not, especially since Caylee and Casey lived with you since Caylee’s birth. Why would you not ever feel the need to know how to contact the ‘nanny’, via phone, address, etc. especially if something were to happen to Casey? How would you know where to pick up Caylee?
Yes I DO love Caylee very much and I always provided for her. I had no reason to not trust what Casey was telling me. Everynight when I came home and saw Caylee she looked fine and seemed happy and well cared for. She was home every night until June and that is when things seemed out of hand a little bit. Casey just needed time to adjust to being a young mother. She loves Caylee, you don’t know her like I do.
Hi mama! I’m trying to catch up, but got home, baby wants em to lay down with her, may have to come back in a few…but since this new report I’m feeling alittle disgusted…
Bri, yes
C4C……you REALLY are cindy….I KNEW IT!!!!! just kidding…..lol…
With our follow up questions
C ! you’re lying, it’s not natural for a mother to not bond with her baby no matter what age she’s given birth, and why did the docs hand the baby to you and not M
I am in no way doubting it was murder. everyone was just hoping for more damaging info it is all still pretty much the same pamm.
PAMMY—-HERE TIZ:
orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage
pammyliz…..OH NO……i still say it was ALL intentional and premediated!
Prosecuter Sabrina asked you a question about your daughter leaving to bond with her daughter correct?
Could you explain to the court what your message said to your daughter about taking your grandchild away from you on your myspace.com
Yes she did.
I had not seen Caylee for a couple of weeks and was missing her. The last time I had seen her or Casey we had had a huge fight about money and I was still angry and hurt by her attitude. I was angry that she wasn’t letting me have any contact or relationship with Caylee.
So Ms. Anthony your daughter did not leave the home to bond with her daughter she left because you kicked her out of yur home. Yes or No Ms. Anthony?
C ! you’re lying, it’s not natural for a mother to not bond with her baby no matter what age she’s given birth, and why did the docs hand the baby to you and not M
actually there are probably plenty of mom’s who dont bond at birth what about for example the ones who give their baby up for adoption. Did they bond first? Casey was overwhelmed at being a mother, she was in alot of pain, so the doc gave Caylee to me first. (adlibbed)
MMT, missed your post re: the list. I put the ticket question in there because I hadn’t heard whether she had actually purchased one or how much they were, since she stole $300 plus dollars to possibly pay for it. Did the parents get that money back or was it gone already? I would really like to see M’s money trail over the past two years!
C ! jump kick and punch you out that bump on your head can not compare to perpers head…sorry i know that’s not a question lol
So Ms. Anthony your daughter did not leave the home to bond with her daughter she left because you kicked her out of yur home. Yes or No Ms. Anthony?
Yes Casey and I had a fight but she wanted to be a more responsible parent for Caylee and I think she felt she needed time away from us in order to do that. It was too easy while in our house to just let me or George step in and do things. Caylee was used to coming to us for things. It is how it always was.
LILRED—–U HERE?
Yes or No Ms Anthony
am i caught up… if so next one
ok guys thanks I was confused that maybe with what they have shes gonna get a manslaughter or something.. I believe they have more tho and are waiting for trial.. i am not sure how their playing this case, its very confusing, the guy on NG the analyst for forensics said this was no animal, HUMAN, he siad a live hair and dead hair are found from either M or caylee,,, he practically said shes dead!! and thats it, thats wht i heard i was not discouraged, i was encouraged bu what he said that they have her now, she cannot prove why would her caylee be in that trunk DEAD no way!! plus the other evidence and her own words alone… mama i will go to the link. my girl fell asleep by the time i got to go cuddle with her.. 🙁 I hate the afternoon shift i miss my girl so much…
Yes or No Ms Anthony
No I didn’t kick her out. we had words but all families do.
next question:
Cindy, you still haven’t answered my question. What plan did you have if an emergency (ie…Casey is in an accident or killed) and Casey was unable to get Caylee. What avenue would you have taken to assure Caylee was picked up since you did not know the nanny’s phone number, address, physical appearance, and all the important factors needed in order to pick up your grandaughter?
I KNOW PAMMY. LIFE IT TUFF
Ms. Anthony did you tell the 911 operator that your daughter car smelled like there’s been a dead body in the car? Yes or No
the science reports have to be careful because if they say 100% and some other scientist can prove there is even 1 chance they are mistaken it makes jurors question the facts. so they always leave room even paternity tests usually say 99.9% chance. never 100%
Good question CHSAH
I noted it as POSSIBLE but only slightly more so than alien abduction. My point is without a body the defense can present numerous possibilities. I believe juries though want to see a series of arrows leading to a conclusion. Still, Casey Anthony can be the dirt bag of the universe and be not guilty; perhaps she was just happy the child was gone. Maybe she didn’t WANT to look for or find her, but had nothing to do with her disappearance. No body, no conclusive cause of death.
As for Casey being a sociopath, maybe so. Sociopaths are very rare but sociopaths lack understanding of guilt and remorse. Sociopaths experience other feelings and can exhibit fear of apprehension and punishment. Is there any thing to indicate Casey Anthony was nervous, preoccupied, and/or upset after mid June? I read her marijuana usage increased but that is all.
i’ll brb, i want to continue this game…
CFC 9:32 post from CHSAH
Cindy, you still haven’t answered my question. What plan did you have if an emergency (ie…Casey is in an accident or killed) and Casey was unable to get Caylee. What avenue would you have taken to assure Caylee was picked up since you did not know the nanny’s phone number, address, physical appearance, and all the important factors needed in order to pick up your grandaughter
Well that is a good question… I knew that Casey had found the nanny through friends from work Jeff Hopkins, so I had no reason to doubt what she told me. I was trying to let Casey be in control of things. Everyone thinks I was always in control over her but that is not true. Casey was responisble she just trusted the wrong person. Looking back I probably should have asked more questions, maybe I couldn’t have prevented these people from taking advantage of Casey’s trust and Caylee would still be here with all of us.
Chsah That was a tough question because I don’t think there has been an answer to that anywhere not media not LE nothing that I heard from or researched, wtg
only thing I heard about her guilt is maybe the nightmares she had with Tony… but we don’t know what she dreamed about. she told Tony it was because she was afraid he would leave her. It could be she was dreaming about getting caught. or maybe she was seeing a ghost.
SO C4C ARE YOU REMEMBERING ALL THIS CRAP OR DO U HAVE IT ON UR PUTER. CRAP–EITHER WAY U R VERY GOOD
thank you…no I am remembering to the best of my ability. Let me know if I get the details wrong. that is how we help each other with this game.
next question:
Cindy, ok, so you’ve stated in your statement that you wanted to give Casey “control” of her life. Did Caylee ever talk about her “day” at the nanny, ie..where she went, what she did, who she played with, who she saw? Did you ever talk with Caylee about her day??
those wer’ent nightmares, i don’t think she has nightmares, you have to have a consccience, first then you will have a nightmare…she got caught sneaking back into bed after doing the sex act with nate the room mate
Cindy, ok, so you’ve stated in your statement that you wanted to give Casey “control” of her life. Did Caylee ever talk about her “day” at the nanny, ie..where she went, what she did, who she played with, who she saw? Did you ever talk with Caylee about her day??
Sure i talked to Caylee about things and she never said anything that gave me reason to doubt there was anything suspcious. Two year olds don’t really sit and give you a minute by minute account of their day. just general stuff. Like I went to the park, or played outside. things like that. (adlibbed)
Bri, Your not going to let that go are you? LAMO
c4c…thank you girl…I’m trying! LOL.
might be right Bri, I was just stating what Tony had said. We have no proof of what it was it could have been about getting caught. not neccassrily relating to regret I do believe she is a sociopath. C4C not C in this comment.
mytwocents-The Original said,4:08 pm
MMT – I guess you missed my post at 3:30?
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Please say that I responded to your post because I added those to the list. I’m just far behind in reading everyone’s thoughts so I haven’t responded to many who have mentioned the Justice for Caylee puzzle yet.
LOL… so many neat willing people on here! I’m getting confused on who I responded to. But, I am keeping the puzzle list in order. 🙂
GOTTA GO TO BED. NITE E1
(((((HUGGS)))))
catherine, it’s simply not normal for a mother to not bond with their baby, and would make it more easy to do away with their child, you have to show that M was not able to bond with anyone ever she’s not the norm
yes mmt it can be easy to miss a post and not be intentional at all. there are alot of people on here who truly do care and want justice for Caylee. I think the puzzle Idea is a good one. not sure if there is a place everyone could see it or add to it. But it could act as a summary of facts and help trigger thoughts about things we have seen or read in this case. there is so much out there we need all we can get,
goodnite mama bear sleep tight we all have your back over here. see you tomorrow.
I agree Bri, but then there is nothing “normal” about this case for sure.
I agree you start bonding when your baby is still in your womb. That’s why women are so upset when they miscarry their babies, because they have bonded with that baby.
But to “care” about a miscarriage you have to have feelings. I don’t think everyone does view it the same. I do…. but then others are different. what about women who have abortions. Did they bond or care. Please note I am questioning concept not making statement about abortion at all. Some people don’t view unborn babies as people so the bonding process doesn’t always happen prior to birth.
catherine, i feel the same cause i have had miscacarriages, and i did bond with my babies day one, as soon as i felt them move or the very least the flutter of their hearts…if a woman doesn’t feel that then there’s seriously something wrong with her, it’s no wonder that she could do away with her child with no remorse
mytwocents-The Original said, at 4:50 pm
ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE =
MMT – this is a little messy for a list but maybe there is a way to include this info:
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Thanks! I did add it to the list. I love when you started your comment with ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE = because it immediately caught my attention as I was scrolling through the blogs. Thanks for doing that, it made my job easier!
I wonder how much ” belief” m has in God? One thing Padlla said on Ng is that there is always some truth to what she is saying
so for example ” trust me if I knew where she was right now none of this would even be happening right now”
Maybe M speak is ” if I knew if she was in Heaven or not then I would not have done this bad thing. so in a backwards sort of way it is the truth.
ok I am back I went and read that report and I am a lay person only they are the experts trained in this stuff, from what I am reading although not coming out and saying conlusively, they did conclusively say there was a decomposing somebody in that car!!! nomatter all the other stuff also they found AND conclusively about the chlorofrm… so, i am surmising someone died in that car from lack of oxygen… and that someone can only be caylee. unless some other dead person she killed along with caylee…the shovel, well could she not have rinsed it off in the waters out near burial????? i still say what they came out with is better than nothing..there is still no caylee…. and mom is held responsible. I do have one to add to your game….
CINDY and GEORGE
why have you not gone to puerto rico looking for your grandchild? you have the money why not go and scour over there and look and look, because every day has passed and if you feel shes alive maybe there, why would you be here on the tv and not there???????????? you once stated you will not leave any stone unturned till you find her, and yet, no trip there to look? why? you don’t work right now
you have americans sending money to your family…I mean why not go and look and ask and talk and open every door like you said> you would?
why have you not gone to puerto rico looking for your grandchild? you have the money why not go and scour over there and look and look, because every day has passed and if you feel shes alive maybe there, why would you be here on the tv and not there???????????? you once stated you will not leave any stone unturned till you find her, and yet, no trip there to look? why? you don’t work right now
you have americans sending money to your family…I mean why not go and look and ask and talk and open every door like you said> you would
Goerge. Trust me there are people looking and keeping there eyes on the people we think are responisble. Have you noticed the media everywhere we go. If I boarded a plane to say puerto Rico the “evil ones” would know I was coming before I even landed. We have investigators and things for that.
Cindy. I have said from day one the focus is on finding Caylee our whole family is involved in looking for her. we get tips everyday. George and I can’t personally follow up on them so we have people to do that for us. My job is to keep the media talking about Caylee ad showing her picture everyday. you have to admit I have done that pretty well. (lol)
she will never confess to any minister and she will never tell what happened, as peterson never did either…she will either be convicted on what we know and maybe more to come or she will be set free, one thing gho she will never ever confess… there is so much evil in this world, its scary…isee it every day… and stil i have faith in people, but in M , no faith she will turn to God… she is fearing god I am sure because she know sthe truth and god knows all…our thoughts, our hearts, our sins, every shred of what we are he knows. you cannot run from God… so even if she doesn’t get a conviction she and others (o.j.) will have to face the final jury someday, and that to me would be scarier than a florida prison cell…
ok, i’m out of here for the night, i’ll see you gals tomorrow…xoxoxo oh and as far as me making out with my dog, catherine you have a picture of that not so nasty as been scripted, i kiss her cheek and if someone wants to make more out of it then they can hump a a door knob
George to above post also. As ex law enforcement I also know that everything I do is suspect and even if I found evidence that exonerated my daughter everyone would think I planted it, so it is better to let others hunt for me to protect everyone.
next question:
C, most of us have had children or grandchildren and it is common for the children to talk about their day, as you’ve stated, ie…went to the park for example. In the videos of Caylee, she appears to be very normal at her age for speech, dramatic’s etc. Are you telling this court, that not ONCE did Caylee ever mention the nanny in reference to “the beach, park, mcdonald’s, playing, universal studio visits, etc”????
C-
your saying you have others there? are they there right now? are they calling with reports of the findings???? where is puerto rico are thye at right now? can we phone puerto rico right now and get them on the phone?
G- are they watching us right now in the courtroom? all the “peoples” who are watching.. are they here now?
wow bri did I miss a post or what. the whole dog thing where did that come from. I love my dogs too and people can make what they want from that,
did I miss something too???? I didn’t see anything about a dog????
CFC, I am not pro choice, so I can’t even put my self in the head of a person that chooses to have an abortion. To me that would go against God. Sorry, that’s how I feel in my heart and how I live my life.
C, most of us have had children or grandchildren and it is common for the children to talk about their day, as you’ve stated, ie…went to the park for example. In the videos of Caylee, she appears to be very normal at her age for speech, dramatic’s etc. Are you telling this court, that not ONCE did Caylee ever mention the nanny in reference to “the beach, park, mcdonald’s, playing, universal studio visits, etc”????
I can honestly say that nothing stands out to me right now that Caylee said specifically about the nanny. But I will be honest I wasn’t really dissecting everything she was saying then. It is easy to look back and say I should have thought this or that.
snookers said, at 4:52 pm “BB is also putting out his ideas thru Kobilinski now on NG. At one time, I had respect for that guy, now I refer to him as a dumb polack. No pun intended to anybody with a polack name, just a figure of speech.”
Snookers… I haven’t heard that term used since the 1960’s. His name is Dr. Kobilinsky and when it ends in a Y, the name is not Polish. However, I am of Polish descent and I am very offended at that remark because I am proud of who I am.
I just wrote a comment on this blog today regarding how we should respect one another and this horrible term comes up. I’m totally crushed.
Maybe I’m overly sensitive but I find name calling, of any kind, very vulgar and childish.
No one is without flaws so making fun of someone’s looks or intelligence is a horrible way to communicate.
I don’t dislike you… I just needed to get that off my chest.
Bri, I know that dog is your baby, and you just love that dog. That photo was so cute.
C-
your saying you have others there? are they there right now? are they calling with reports of the findings???? where is puerto rico are thye at right now? can we phone puerto rico right now and get them on the phone?
G- are they watching us right now in the courtroom? all the “peoples” who are watching.. are they here now?
I can’t tell you what other people are doing on our behalf but I can tell you that people call everyday and say they saw Caylee and we are going to follow up on everyone of them until we find Caylee. But Casey had reason to be afraid of these people so we aren’t going to say where everyone is looking. We want our granddaughter home safe.
George. ALl I can say right now is that the people responsible for this are being looked at and watched I know my granddaughter is out there and we are going to bring her home.
not sure about the dog thing lol but before i had my girl, (never having a child yet), my cat was like a child to me , people used to tease me because I made that cat like a human ( in fact true story one day i called for my little jacko outside he camr running and he started meowoing so happy to see me, i swore he meowed MAMA)… lol… nothing weird or wrong about that, loving any person or animal is all about ..love… plain and simple
next question:
Cindy, so would it be a safe comment to say that you had your head up your ass when it came to Caylee and Casey? (lol….just kidding c4c….you don’t have to answer that one! lol.)
Cat. I am sure by now most people have figured out that I am a believer and so I to am prolife and don’t understand the other side. But I do recognize that the people who are prochoice do not believe life begins at conception therefore it is not a life they are taking. I think M sees it the same way. Caylee was merely an object or method of getting what she wanted. (maybe attention from parents, control over cindy so she let he get away with things, maybe not working for a while) who knows but when it became inconveint and the bad out weighted the good she got Rid of her. for any pro choice people in here I AM NOT COMPARING YOUR IDEAS TO M IN ANY WAY. PLEase don’tbe offended. Even if I dont agree with abortion, I think there is a difference in choosing that and what M did to beautiful Caylee.
G
I’d like to try to get them on the phone right now if we could your honor…talk to the people looking in puerto rico and other places maybe…
and… when you say casey says these people are evil and to be feared, I mean you sir, an ex cop, I would find that you would not be fearful of anyone, an officer is trained to not fear or how can they protect others, but my question is… aren’t you then fearful of the many horrid things that could be being done to caylee and all this time you sir and your wife aren’t even looking on foot, by car, air. etc… isnt that to be more feared then the “peoples” or are you saying you fear for your other family? I mena if so FBI would be happy to help protect you while they go tget the bad “peoples”
This fighting is just too much for me. I’m out of here.
Lighten up MMT
I agree about the pets. I once had a jack russel that wore a cowboy hat. (guess where I am from) My dogs are great company for me. and I am not too wierd.
MMT, she said polack, not Pollock. Don’t be offended, I don’t think she meant any harm by it. Your an intelligent person, so see if for just a simple error of words. I don’t think it was an attack per se’. If you are Polish then you should be proud of that heritage and not let one’s joking make you any less proud! I know you……you got it off your chest and now your ready to move on…….i’m proud of ya.
cat, what was the comment from Bri? I was lost, was something said in this blog?
Cindy, so would it be a safe comment to say that you had your head up your ass when it came to Caylee and Casey? (lol….just kidding c4c….you don’t have to answer that one! lol.)
Well I can see if someone didn’t know Casey how this could look, but I know she loved her daughter. It never crossed my mind that there was any reason to doubt what was going on when I was at work. I know my daughter has told some half truths but that does not mean she killed Caylee. Caylee is not dead.
Catherine, I have the right to voice my opinion and I will go on doing so. 🙂
You don’t voice your opinion you police this blog. And a lot of people are sick of it.
C-
you say it with such heart, so mam let me ask you WHERE IS CAYLEE???
you say ZANEIDA has her
ok.
for what reason did zaneida take caylee..?? did zaneida not have children? she wanted to taise caylee as her own? like steal her to be a mama… I mean you’ve ever really said where caylee is.. and why zaneida took her.. in your opinion… why would Z take your precious caylee from you and casey??? your so firm that Z has her, now youra smrt woman ( i think) why did she take her cindy?
OMG – you are all just cracking me the hell up – it’s like a three ring circus in here tonight. I love it!
Peach – thank god you are a live FL atty – we’ve been working Cat and others overtime with those kind of questions.
Now I just want to make sure that you can represent us when we file a class-action civil suit against M for all of the collateral damage she’s done to the general public.
People on this very blog are so stressed out they are practically not eating or sleeping. Ruining relationships. Popping pills and drinking ourselves silly. Neglecting our domestic and professional duties – even snapping at each other or misunderstanding intentions – all because we are so traumatized by the horrific mendacity of M.
Some of us are going to need some truly serious therapy after having had to spend hours, days, weeks worrying about that baby and where she might be because M refused to come clean about what happened and her family played along.
Others have even experienced equipment malfunction, having to tape laptops together and install new software to deal with the barrage of information that must be perused to help find this child. For all we know, there are folks out there whose computers have actually crashed from data overload on this crime, perusing ping charts and text message records until they were practically blind.
And that doesn’t even begin to count the people who have been on the ground unnecessarily volunteering hours and weeks of their time to pray and look for this child so that she could be decently and properly laid to rest.
Say it ain’t so, Joe, – please say you’ll do it – that you do us the honor of representing us as we slap the Anthony’s with a lawsuit so that they never stand to make a dime off their blatant disregard for the right of the people to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help us God!
I’m planning to stay, so let’s move on…
G
I’d like to try to get them on the phone right now if we could your honor…talk to the people looking in puerto rico and other places maybe…
and… when you say casey says these people are evil and to be feared, I mean you sir, an ex cop, I would find that you would not be fearful of anyone, an officer is trained to not fear or how can they protect others, but my question is… aren’t you then fearful of the many horrid things that could be being done to caylee and all this time you sir and your wife aren’t even looking on foot, by car, air. etc… isnt that to be more feared then the “peoples” or are you saying you fear for your other family? I mena if so FBI would be happy to help protect you while they go tget the bad “peoples”
Maybe as an excop I know even more than you do that the evil people do need to be feared. WE do have people looking for them. It is not fear for myself it is fear of what they would do if they knew we were on the way to where they are. Every move I make is publizied by the media if I got on a plane anywhere what do you think would happen? It would be a breaking news report everywhere. there is a reason LE doesn’t announce everything they are doing as they do it. (adlibbed of course)
C4C…..good answer. You didn’t have to answer that one though…I was just teasin’ ya.
MMT….your a good gal. Hold your head high. You have alot of respect on this blog so don’t let an innocent comment ruin ur day. (can’t get my smiley face (winky winky) to work! sorry.
Oh ok MMT wink wink
C
let me re-prhase
WHY DID Z TAKE CAYLEE???? not would why DID she take caylee cindy??? the million dollar question of the year here…
why did Z take caylee??? your baby? why not some other womans baby? some other pretty 3 year old. why caylee/?????????????????
cecybeans….you crack me up! Is Peach really a live attorney???
Cecy if you or anyone else is getting that stressed about this then take a little time from blogging and do something creative. This case sure hasn’t stressed me out and I have been taking time out of all this and given more time to my family.
OMG cecy beans your blog above is the ABSOLUTE BEST BLOG SO FAR I EVER READ ON HERE. so true so hilarious and so ridiculous LMAO OMG never was a better article written you need to ask simon and jan to post what you just wrote!!!
this one cracked me up
People on this very blog are so stressed out they are practically not eating or sleeping. Ruining relationships. Popping pills and drinking ourselves silly. Neglecting our domestic and professional duties – even snapping at each other or misunderstanding intentions – all because we are so traumatized by the horrific mendacity of M
Cat, don’t leave….this has been fun! We all get frazzled at times and taken things personal……heck…I have! But we always come back and make it work. (can’t make my smiley guy work so just picture the sad smiley face!)
C-
you say it with such heart, so mam let me ask you WHERE IS CAYLEE???
you say ZANEIDA has her
ok.
for what reason did zaneida take caylee..?? did zaneida not have children? she wanted to taise caylee as her own? like steal her to be a mama… I mean you’ve ever really said where caylee is.. and why zaneida took her.. in your opinion… why would Z take your precious caylee from you and casey??? your so firm that Z has her, now youra smrt woman ( i think) why did she take her cindy?
As I told Law enforcement during our interview I think Casey uses the name zanny to refer in generic terms who is babysitting Caylee. I don’t know where Caylee is my daughter doesn’t know where Caylee is. She is protecting Caylee by not revealing what she knows. She is willing to go to jail to protect Caylee and her family.
I only have the theories that Casey told us about, I have never met zannie so I can’t know for sure. But Casey has suggested she was sold in puerto rico, or maybe Zanny did it to get back at Casey for something. I know my daughter just trusted the wrong person. SHe loves Caylee.
Others have even experienced equipment malfunction, having to tape laptops together and install new software to deal with the barrage of information that must be perused to help find this child. For all we know, there are folks out there whose computers have actually crashed from data overload on this crime, perusing ping charts and text message records until they were practically blind.
THIS IS ABSOULTELY HILARIOUS!!!
CHSAH – yeah, he said he was. I sure hope so! maybe he does arbitration as well…
MMT – I’m part Mick, part Frog, a little Skin (Amerindian) and come from a family in the deep south who might also be a whole lotta hillbilly. And i LOVE to hear jokes about my own folks!
C
let me re-prhase
WHY DID Z TAKE CAYLEE???? not would why DID she take caylee cindy??? the million dollar question of the year here…
why did Z take caylee??? your baby? why not some other womans baby? some other pretty 3 year old. why caylee/?????????????????
I don’t know maybe to punish Casey, or maybe because Caylee was such an exceptional child. I really don’t know why someone would evr want to take or hurt Cayee.
Dak, you make a better blogger than you do a therapist….are you gonna charge me for that? LOL
What happened to all the fun we were having?
But TRUE! Good thinking Cecy! I’d type more, but I have to hold the lid up to my laptop with one hand! ROFL
Dak why aren’t you asking questions it is obvious you are still around. I thought it was well written and expressed our frustration perectly. all our comps are probably running slower now.
Earth to Dak – Intentional Humor Alert!
hey everyone duck someone just threw their computer out the window… they didn’t like the newest reports and were frustrated.
I’m sorry I interrupted the game. I really am. I just couldn’t help myself. We haven’t had a good laugh about turkey franks or stripper poles today and I just had to throw that in.
CONCERNED FOR CAYLEE.. lol lol RARELY DO I LAUGH OUT LOUD FOR REAL ABOUT MUCH BUT THAT LAST POST JUST MADE ME LAUGH AND I AM SITTIN HERE ALL BY MYSELF.. THE PART ABOUT EXCEPTIONAL CHILD… OMG you guys are making me laugh I needed some laughs crappy week at work, hate my boss,…… and my job…. miss my kid, M is driving me insane all this extra work i have to do after work horus to help find this little victims betrayer.. i needed to laugh thanks.. I mean we all laugh but we all know were not being mean by laughing at this case, but when a case is this absurd well it deserves alittle absurdity back!
cecy
i had that worry the other day what would i do if computer decided now to crash on me? my instant thought was well theres the library!!! gess now thats obsessive over this case..
Anita, don’t know where you went but I sent you email a long time ago……..wish you’d have stayed!
yes I know and some of the questions are Hard to answer. Why would some one who doesn’t exist choose to pick on m and frame her for the death of Caylee? The only people who would do this is one who has a vested interest like m who wanted freedom and to punish C.
ok…..here’s an icebreaker and off the subject….
MY LIVING WILL
Last night, my friend and I were sitting in the living room and I said to her, ‘I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug.’
She got up, unplugged the computer, and threw out my vodka. She’s such a b*&$*!!
seriously now…..where were we????
Caylee has stolen America’s heart, thank you, you’re very sweet to say those things.
But, after reading Catherine’s remark that I don’t voice my opinion I police this blog. And evidently she knows that “a lot of people are sick of it.” then she gives me, what I’m reading as a sarcastic “wink, wink” I feel like she may get these people she’s talking about together to write to Jan and get me booted off this site.
I have been on this blog for a long time and enjoy Simon and Jan’s articles as well as all the bloggers comments. But, sometimes frustrations do pop up. Now I hear that “a lot of people” are sick of the things I say, maybe we should take a vote. I’ll leave peacefully if I’m voted off. But, all ballots have to be counted.
now that was truly funny!!!!!!!!!!!
c4c, you did a great job of answering the questions we gave. I know some had to be (adlib), but for the most part, every bit of what you said is what we have all gathered from the reports, etc. Good job!
dak knows its funny but isn’t going to laugh…lol lol I think it would make a great article in humor expresing a bunch of kooks who all met on blogger news and formed a group to help give justice to caylee.. ended up becoming cyber friends,
Dak
I love my child and i am glad you spend time with your own, I’m very glad to hear that. we all love ours too. we have enough time I guess in this life to show compassion for others in this world, the world is full of all about me, and in this room its not all about “us”… thats what I find refreshing is to come here and find others who still care for our fellow man.. in my “real life i find no compassion or anyone much caring” here I find true warmth and caring and thats why I am still here since last june or july.. I get onn when I can and pick right back up…I don’t get offended too easy and laugh alot off.. i smile when is ee fighting on the blog cause i know it won’t last… anyways just my input
CHSAH
LOL LOL
CHSAH
LOL LOL
CHSAH – LMAO!
pammy – i’m right there with you! it’s like you go to an instant backup plan.
MMT,
I don’t want anyone thrown off this blog. I just want people to lighten up a little. I apologize for being rude.
MNT
do not be silly, your not leaving… I understand how you felt i don’t like personal attacks either on looks and name calling i despise.. i’ve said it before on here. but to leave?? no way you can’;t leave till this is over!!!! its about caylee.. not us…
hey everyone I vote: present. Everyone has an off day, maybe says things that don’t get understood the way it was meant. I say we start over again tomorrow. we have all been at this together too long to start choosing sides. There really is only one side. Caylee Marie Anthony.
lol i can just see me already at the library like a nutcase ” honey go and read a book mommy is busy trying to get on blogger news here and be quiet honey its a library” and me typing like a maniac and others looking at me especially when I am lauhging out loud… yes i can see my actually getting in the car making the drive to eh darn libray for a temp computer LOL
ok idea. I say we agree to throw off people off the blog who try to throw other people off the blog!!! LOL LOL
good idea?? LOL
Well said C4C!
OMG I am the only one left all of them got thrown off the blog!! ON NO!!! LOL
now what will i do about this case????
Okay Catherine, thanks, I appreicate you saying that!
concernedforcaylee, you are so right… the only side is Caylee.
I’m sorry to all for getting so testy.
Dear Heavenly Father we need your strength more than ever now. As the days go by without new information or bringing Caylee home, we are discouraged and need your help. Please help heal the pain we all feel at the injustice of what happened to Caylee. Help us to understand how even with all the bad things going on around us in the world there are good things happening. Please look out for all the missing children and their families who desperately need to know where they are. Also help us to understand the unimaginable.. help us make sense out of things that seem senseless. Also Lord help us to have pateince with each other and to know that though we have differeces, in the things that matter we are all on the same team. The Caylee Marie Anthony Justice team. Lord please give courage to all the hurting people to stand strong as they look for clues to what happened to Caylee, who did it and to testify truthfully, guide the searchers as they look for Caylee, and give them courage to go even knowing that it might be the hardest thing they have to do. I can only imagine the horror of finding our Beautiful Angel. I want her found too, but I don’t know that I could be strong enough to live with it in the end. Please give many people courage to search until she is brought home. Please Lord put the burden on people who live too far away to go and search that maybe they will help with funds to search for Caylee, and those who can’t send money can tell as many people as they know so others will donate. Above all Lord help each of us to realize that we are all one big team and we each have valuable information, thoughts and ideas. Guide us each as we strive to Be on Caylee Marie Anthony’s Justice Team. All these things we pray in Jesus name. AMEN.
Thanks for accepting my apology. I truly like you very much.
wow. Don’t have much time (as usual lately, sorry to say). But I logged on, read 3 entries and had to post a comment.
pammy–beautifully phrased remarks about finding compassion in this selfish world in which we reside. I couldn’t agree more.
mmt—what the heck is going on? I know I need to read “up” to see, but I must say I’m absolutely shocked. I have always viewed you as being one of the most level-headed, respected ‘poster’ on Jan’s blogs. I surely hope this is a misunderstanding.
If the world has indeed turned upside-down and a vote is being taken, then I VOTE MMT STAYS, with her being given the respect she has shown others and the respect she deserves.
We are all kindred spirits. As pammy mentioned, we are all compassionate souls, here because we care deeply for Caylee.
We make room in our lives and in our hearts to care for others.
AMEN
I think we should get t-shirts that say Caylee Marie Anthony Justice Team. I would wear it proudly.
concerned in texas I agree that is why I voted present. I will not choose between them they are both great respected bloggers, and I might add both have taken the high road. Group hug everyone.
Hi concerned in texas! I’ve missed you! You brought tears when I read your post… I feel so much better when I come here. as i said in my days I deal with it at work and here I can find people who care, truly care.. wouldn’t it be remarkable someday if we all met one another? the lord moves in mysterious ways, he brought all of us here not just by chance.. but for a reason, caylee… but maybe for more reasons than we realize.. MNT is staying, an i personally resect all of her views, everyones on here actually… yes dak too and others who come in and leave and others I dont agree with, i respect everyones voice…
pammyliz, thanks! You, my dear, are so funny! I just read your comment about being the only person left on the blog.
You know with all the cold weather we get here, us Michiganders have to have a good sense of humor. Now, I have to go back and read all the comments so I can catch up with all of you.
BIG GROUP HUG
where is our other therapist besides MNT? his name is bob newhart lol
BIG GROUP HUG
where is our other therapist besides MNT? his name is bob newhart lol
MNT it is turning so cold this week, and I am trick or treating this friday night. I am being a witch and shes being a cat, I got the whole outfit and wicth outfit lol i don’t wanna wear a coat either! i will take pictures all of me and her and send them, so yes its cold here i have the heat running off and on…
Well said pammy and I know everyone respects yours too. the best part about this blog to me is we are a group of people who choose to get together and discuss something that matters to us all Caylee. While I don’t agree with everyone all the time, I do agree that everyone has the right to think and feel the way they do. I also have been involved in some fierce debates that sometimes felt like I was being harrassed, but that was another day. Today is a new day and one more day less that m has to think she will get away with it and one less day till they find Caylee and bring her home. If i didn’t have this sight my family would probably already have me committed because of being obsessed over this case.
interesting thing has come from it also. In my state (Texas) we have a program call child advocacy. and they are a group that appoints an advocate for children who are caught in bad circumstances, domestic violence, child abuse cases, stuff like that and you get to advocate for that child. Which is what we are all doing for Caylee. My daughter thinks I should volunteer for that. she says since I am so interested in helping children it would be a fulfilling job for me. That money on her college just might have been worth it. She is a bright kid.
I scrolled up to read and didnt find any bump posts today,she is M.I.A.
see how worked up that little brat M gets us?
I think we need to do a play – a dinner theater murder mystery play. with a cast of crazy and amazing characters:
Punch and Judy (George and Casey)
Bozo the Clown – Baez (hope he ain’t an acquaintance Peach)
Count Chocula (Nejame)
the Chorus Boy Line (all M’s boyfriends)
Lurch – LV
Lemon – the evil troll who tries to make lemonaid out of Casey’s death row sentence)
The Littlest Angel – Caylee (referred to only as “the snothead” by M.)
Malificent Momster – (Casey as Disney’s evil witch in Sleeping Beauty from the neck up, from the neck down in prison stripper pole attire).
come on, guys – help me with the casting and costumes!
someone just told me the same thing about volunteering to help be an advocate for children…I was told you can find this in your own cities through CPS or child abuse programs
how sad I just read that the anchor woman in Arkansas died today. Crazy senseless acts. I will never understand.
you forgot padilla ( good guy characters) my question who wants to be M??? lol
Still don’t know what’s going on–haven’t gotten caught up. But glad to learn everything will be ok.
Yes, group hugs are good!
pammy–Thanks. All we can do is live as we wish the world would live. In the words of Ghandi, “Be the change you want to see in the world.”
OMG no the pretty one who was attacked in her home? wow how horruble, I’ll have to go and read about that…
C4C – when I was in FL I started to get involved with the guardian ad litem program they have to provide representatives for children in court cases. I feel kinda like we all are doing that for Caylee, and because we can band together when we do it, it will help us create a bond that will outlast this case.
Also – those of us up here in the chilly Midwest – I sure miss my old FL days when I could go trick-or-treating with my daughter in short sleeves! It always seems to rain here or something. But the good part is, we can put our jack o’lanterns out early. The first year I lived in FL we carved them a week before and they melted on the porch!
yes that is the one. I saw it when I went back to find out when bump was on last which 24 at 11:08 pm
that is right. the advocacy program here does not require you to have law training or anyhting so it can be everyday people(like alot of us) who just care about kids and want to make a difference.
CFC – that is so sad! i heard today her attacker broke nearly every bone in her face and that she fought back bravely.
I am sorry she died, but somehow, after having had to go through such a terrible ordeal, and knowing what she would have had to do to even survive, I feel kinda like I do about Caylee who I know is in a beautiful, peaceful place and can suffer no more.
I did go and read about her i guess they are saying robbery was maybe motive how sad. such a waste… ugh.
yes its cold in michigan well 48 maybe 50 but its getting there, i wanna wear my sexy witch costune with NO COAT lol and hers a cat with no coat!
yes you are right about the better place. I can only imagine the amount of damage to her brain. I am not sure I ever heard how long she was in her bed after the attack before her mom found her. I feel so much for her family. Last I heard they thought it was random? That makes no sense at all. That much violence would indicate its personal.
pammy (this is so crazy and chopped up like watching a ping pong game!)
Re: Paddy – I think he should be called Paddington Bear. He always has that hat on and besides,we should make him some kind of a bear for Mama’s sake!
yea grand papa bear
I like paddington bear for him suits him perfect… i see noone wants to play the M role… with the role playing donw earlier all of you can be C you had me laughing at C’s responses…
M would be the one I couldn’t even pretend for. out of all of the interviews I listened to she really said nothing at all. At least G & C had answers, even if I don’t like them it was something. She is just a bag of nothing asnwers. I don’t think I could even adlib her fairly.
C4C – I don’t know about what they’re deciding. I thought they might be going with random because someone was using her credit card. But it could have been someone who knew her who gave them away to some idiot on the street stupid enough to use it who would lead the trail away.
Pammy – I’m in Chicagoland and it’s not much nicer here. Take pix in your witch costume! My dad used to hate taking us when we were kids here cuz he’d always have a raincoat on and he was embarrased that he’d look like a flasher or stalker standing behind us in the bushes when people answered their doors. He really loved taking my daughter trick or treating in FL – cuz he could wear a golf shirt and carry a Manhattan around in a glass!
now that is quite a costume I can see why he prefered fla. less likely of getting into trouble or looking suspicious.
CFC – no one has to be M. It would be too horrible. She’s a cartoon.
i think more of a cross between jason/freddie krueger/Hannibal lecter. Add some Ted Bundy and alittle bit of peterson(scot and drew) wow or should I say look out world.
well, we had to wear our coats over our costumes too which was a big drag. Open the door, flash, I’m a princess!
Although pammy I was a gypsy one year at my daughter’s Halloween fair in FL and it was about a hundred degrees in the tent and I had sweat all the way in my underpants in that darned costume. it was awful!
Catherine, I apologize too, I just got a little too hot under that collar. Thanks for understanding!
Concerned in Texas… OMG… I didn’t know that you were on here, where do I hide? I’m embarrassed to say that this hallo that plopped on my head keeps falling off. Something is telling me that I don’t really deserve it. Dang it anyway. In all seriousness, thanks for the VOTE of confidence! I promise that we will all keep plugging away TOGETHER, until there is justice for Caylee. Please take a look at my 2:35 pm and 2:46 pm post because I know you that you will come up with many ideas to add to our “Justice for Caylee Puzzle”
Snookers, please no hard feelings. I hope I didn’t scare you off. I didn’t mean to come off like an old Polish mad woman. Sometimes our feelings are just a little too close to the surface! I think I was one of the first people you met on this blog and I still enjoy reading your comments.
Now, if there is anyone else that I owe an apology to… you got it! 🙂
I sure can get myself in to some deep doo doo, can’t I?
There have been so many cases of mom’s killing their kids. But most of them didn’t carry it off for very long. M reminds me of Diane Downing I think was her name. Isn’t she the one that shot her kids because she thought boyfriend won’t leave her if it weren’t for kids. only they didn’t all die and they came back and testified against her.
awww how sweet about your dad… I will take pics I got a goth kind of wicth outfit caue I didnt wanan scare her she is sooooooooooo excited mama is dresing up too! I wasnt going to until she started saying i should be buzz lightyear and i said how about a witch? she yelled yah yah, so ihave the outfit the nails i got spider earrings, a bat necklace, the only sad thing its a sexy wicth outfit meant for a big chest which i do not have, so i better get those inserts or something, wonder where M got her push up bras?? lol
my girl jsut can’t wait. her first year she was 6 months old we went as mama and baby angels… she looked so breathtaking in her little whit eangel outfit, i swear I never seen anything more beautiful in my life, cause she is that to me a hand picked god sent angel right off one of his clouds up there, and caylee was one too, but she needed to be returned god felt, for bigger reasons.. she may have been needed to be back there to be the leader of all the other angels ready to flock down, she ws just too special to be kept here…… or God felt the mama he sent her too was just too undeserving of her… tears…
MMt which one of us can’t get into doo doo or hasn’t gotten into it before, and hey who knows we might get into it tomorrow. The main thing is stink and all we do it together for Caylee.
Hi Christina,
I will try to address this to you the best I can. I understand what you are asking me but please bare with me right now because I have been sick the past few days and am slow.
To begin with another blogger can not tell you what you can talk about on here but us. I personally don’t see anything wrong with having a place to vent even if it is off topic from time to time. In fact I have had my own private chat room on MIRC for 8 years myself for that very reason, that has slowed down almost to a halt since I have been working on Blogger News ( not enough time anymore LOL)
I have been trying to keep my eye on the comments but they do come in the hundreds so it is not always easy. I did see yesterday where there was a problem with someone but I couldn’t sit at my computer long enough to do anything ( I am sorry about that)
If there is a particular person that is giving you a problem, if you can send me their username and the time and which article they caused problems in, I will check it out and do something about it.
Chatting about everyday life on here does cause a problem once the comments go past a certain number because it slows down the process in opening the page. If you would like, I also write about a soap opera, The Young and the Restless. I usually do it 5 days a week, except I didn’t do it yesterday, cause of me being sick. If you and the other women care to go in there and communicate you are welcome to it.
The Caylee story is slowing down some for now with not much new news so there is not much I can write about without being accused of repeating myself. (there are some people out that that get bothered about that LOL)
Either that or I would be happy to have all of you join in my chat room on MIRC but they would have to download the program, it is free, even though they try to tell you that you have to pay, you don’t.
I hope this answers your question and we do appreciate the support you all have given Blogger News. Feel free to let me know of any problems at all.
Have a great weekend 🙂
Jan Barrett
this is in regards to personal chat on here…
C4C – wow! that’s quite the combination! She really reminds me of Diane Downs who did something very similar with her kids – getting rid of them so she could chase a boyfriend that didn’t want to be a daddy. Same lack of affect, same flirting with everything. Creepy! There’s a great book about her you should get. I think Gumshoe knows a lot about the case cuz she remembered the song Diane always used to play – Hungry Like a Wolf. Real skank.
But we need to cast ourselves in fun roles of how we’d like to all converge on M. Cat decorating her cell, Mama giving quality-time interrogations. Lots of room to fantasize!
See Jan doesnt mind waht we talk about…the only problem is it slos down the down load…just wantd to let yahll kno!!!
I think that Caylee had fulfilled what ever mission God sent her on. Look at how many people are coming together to help fight injustice to children. I know Caylee’s life had a purpose here and it must be done in order for her to GO HOME TO HEAVEN.
c4C – Downing! That’s right. One of them died, the other was maimed for life and the older girl I think couldn’t even talk. The prosecutor and his wife ended up adopting them which made me so happy.
Hi BOP!
Thanks Jan for giving us the option. This subject is obviously more than a blog for us – it’s free group therapy – all the drama and none of the cost!
Your soap blog sounds like a great place for spillover – this group can fill one faster than M can tell stories!
I hope you’re feeling better soon!
yes those are the thoughts we need to go to sleep with… the happy endings It will make it easier for all of us.
MMT – your idea on cataloguing our ideas was the best we had today – it gave us something concrete to work on steadily – like needlepoint – to make some kind of sense out of this crazy mess. I don’t know if we’ll have time to do it (are there blog interns??) but I’m sure we’ll work something out!!
We can all take deep breaths together and say “Serenity Now!”
speaking of which, i have some slumber needs to attend to. I honestly did not go to bed at all last night – I was looking at ping charts.
I need an intervention!!!
‘nite ladies! thanks for your energy and your indisputably valuable company!
I’m going to need back therapy soon from hunching over my desk…lol.. yes this is like really fine detailed needlepointing lol very tedious work but you jusyt keep kniiting it till its finished!!
Hi bump, thanks for sharing the letter from jan!
I got to get off here I am hurting…l feel so much better now i got to talk with you all tonight been a rough week…
hey I didnt see kris here either today, well goodnight all
hope everyone enjoyed our game of devil’s advocate. maybe we can play again tomorrow. Anyone can play and its a creative way to rethink evidence. Hope to read with you all tomorrow. I am going to call it a night thought. May God Bless and keep each one of you.
‘night C4C – I had three Cindy questions but will save them for next time. It amazes me how you do that!!
night all! sweet dreams!
o.k. look forward to it and consider it an obession. i have read it all and listened to it all. I am not dreaming anymore at least. Good night beens and sweet dreams to you too.
concernedforcaylee, I abosolutely LOVED your 11:45 pm post! I’m still lauging but it’s true that we are here for Caylee. Thanks for making me laugh!
anytime that’s what friends are for
MMT……..I vote you stay.
Catherine and you both are very strong opinioned indviduals with both very good qualitites.
Sorry, I took a phone call and just got off and forgot to send this, I wrote it over 45 minutes ago….
Add to the justice for caylee puzzle.1. george statement the body in my grandaughters car is not my grandaughter.2 cindys statement maybe someone put a dead body in the car after it was towed.3 geroge statement overpowering smell of death coming from the car,all the facts add up to a dead body in the car period,if not caylee’s then whose,have the police questioned cindy and george about who they thought the dead body belong to?
pretty good flowerchild!!!
gonna go for now. nite to all. The game tonight was fun…
wonderful prayer cfc…..Amen.
Glad we all agree to disagree….and still luv each other afterwards!!
Wow, only took me all night to read thru everything. The problem with chat rooms is that things can so easily get misconstrued. Especially when feelings and emotions are as heightened as in this sad case of poor little 2 year old Caylee Marie.
I’m glad to see that everybody had a group hug and that things are back to normal…well, normal might not be the right word, but you know..!
I’m not a member of any legal team or law enforcement, but in my opinion this case was handled poorly from the get go. Too much info leaked to the public and too many of the Anthony’s legal team making appearances on television. So much of the LE info should have been kept private until the court date.
At this point all we can hope for is more evidence, a GREAT jury that consists of people with big hearts, and a solid case from the prosecutors.
In the event that M gets off on a lower charge, she’ll still spend a good amount of time in jail. Plus, she will live the rest of her life knowing the truth. And she will never be able to live a normal life again. And look what happened to OJ. Karma really does exist and does way heavy on a murderer.
Well, nuff said from me, as I know I’m not one of the popular bloggers here, but none the less I have followed this case from day one and feel heart broken every time I think of the beautiful Caylee .
Lastly, may the very pretty newscaster who sadly died this evening RIP. What a horribly brutal and tragic death. I pray they find her killer and that this case doesn’t go cold.
Hi everyone..I am not going to stay on long, not a good day again…just wanted to see what was going on and if there’s anything new?
MMT –
POSSIBLE ADDITIONS TO PUZZLE:
M asking for 1 more day per 911 recording.
M doesnt want G to enter trunk
M’s various stories about Caylee’s whereabouts
M’s various stories regarding car smell
M’s statements re: being a spiteful B
M deleting Caylee files/pics
add to the justice for caylee puzzle,lee not wanting to do poly test convincing c and g not to take it,why?lee not wanted to give his dna sample why,his laughing on the smell of the car that is serious business,apoint on the smell of the car and dead body in car all said before the air test samples came back,and the boom all stories changed
MMT and All,
It might be interesting to make a list to see if we could make a case (tampering and/or obstruction) against C and/or G as well.
Caylee has stolen America’s heart said,at 8:49 pm “MMT, can you email me what we have for the puzzle already, I would like to think about it and maybe add somethings as we go?”
I don’t have your email address, was there a link attached to the above message that didn’t show up for me? Let me know and I’ll email it tomorrow. 🙂
Hi Danna! “You mentioned wanting to get a list started to see if we could make a case (tampering and/or obstruction) against C and/or G as well.”
Are you serious? If so, do you want to be in charge of it all?
cec, the G.A.L. program still operates here in north Florida. They are the voice of the child. And involvement in that kind of program (I’ve heard a couple states use the term “child advocate program”) is something people really can do for Caylee. SOME such programs have ways people can contribute. If you can’t find a program to help, find a foster family in need of extras.* Everybody can contribute in some way to a dependent child. As for ethnic slurs and remarks about Baez, he is doing the job that must be done for justice to be served. I want Casey Anthony to receive a vigorous defense, careful consideration of all evidence by an unbiased trier of fact, and such punishment as the law provides if convicted. THAT will honor Caylee Anthony.
(I personally lean toward seeing her rot at Lowell; remember, child abusers/killers are at the bottom of the food chain in most prisons. There is often a code of justice on the inside too and thieves, drug addicts, forgers and robbers can find ways of expressing their opinions about such individuals. Not pleasant for the recipient.
Forty years in stir is usually a lot worse punishment than a few years wait on Death Row. Death Row inmates have more physical protection, nicer accommodations, and more privileges. the state wants ’em alive & well on execution day. Toss Anthony in the general population & she may not last long. Yea, I’m a “real” attorney. I got the office supply receipts to to prove it. It is individuals like most of those posting however that will decide Casey Anthony’s fate. And while justice cannot be meted out by public opinion poll, attention to cases like this helps ensure the state will expend adequate resources to prepare their case.)
*Florida’s foster system is drastically underfunded. Piddling monthly stipends, a pittance for school clothes and ONE, yes ONE, cheap gift at Christmas per child. The first Xmas gift I plan each year is $$$$ my family contributes to a particular foster family I know.
danna,first tampering with cindy,washing the smelly pants before LE came
MMT – sure, if everyone wants to play along, I’ll keep the list, although I may not be the best person to do that since most days, I dont get to read all the posts. Just thought it might be interesting. What do you think?
Danna and flowerchild… thanks for your add on to the Justice for Caylee Puzzle…
POSSIBLE ADDITIONS TO PUZZLE:
M asking for 1 more day per 911 recording.
M doesnt want G to enter trunk
M’s various stories about Caylee’s whereabouts
M’s various stories regarding car smell
M’s statements re: being a spiteful B
M deleting Caylee files/pics
flowerchild said,in October 26th, 2008 at 12:39 am add to the justice for caylee puzzle,lee not wanting to do poly test convincing c and g not to take it,why?lee not wanted to give his dna sample why,his laughing on the smell of the car that is serious business,apoint on the smell of the car and dead body in car all said before the air test samples came back,and the boom all stories changed
Danna I think it would be a lot of work but lets wait to see what everyone else thinks. Someone would have to take care of the whole thing and right now I have too much on my plate.
It’s late here so I’m going to bed… have a great night Danna and thanks for the idea! I’m sure it would prove interesting!
nite MMT
Good night flowerchild and to anyone else who might still be on here!
going to bed to see u guys in the am pleasant dreams
G’nite.
Good Morning . I read the posts after i went to bed. great posts!
assuming.. I always read all of your posts, and you don’t have to be “popular” to jump in here..lol lot of times I am not posting either just reading, because this is like a full time job keeping up with my blog, and its too hard…lol
your input is welcomed
the reporter case makes me so sick.. another wasted life snuffed out by madness…I cannot imagine what her family is going through..you raise someone who goes on to have a nice career, turns out well, everyone said they liked her and then boom violence..
mmt, your in mish?? i thought i as in the coldest state im in mn, its 39% now i know about “having a good sence of humor” with the cold:)
Good Morning everyone…catching up with all of you after I hit the hay is quite a challenge. ASSUMING/MMT
MMT – You are VERY respected here. I do not feel you POLICE the room, in fact you contribute on a highly friendly and insightful way.
I know you have already chosen to stay but wanted to let you know for the RECORD…I VOTE STAY AS WELL.
ASSUMING(1)…Also for the record, your post a few days ago is one of which I have shared with MINNIE and HOLD CLOSE TO MY HEART!..
Your post, in particular of the many of thousands on this blog is etched in my heart and I draw upon it when I feel so very sad…
YOU SAID: CAYLE IS BEING TREATED LIKE A PRINCESS IN HEAVEN AND THAT A PHYSIC FRIEND HAD TOLD YOU SHE HAS MANY ANGELS AROUND HER…YAH PRINCESS CAYLEE…
I see you have a big heart and I thank you for sharing all your opinons.
ANITA….stick it out girl…we all have feelings here and is hard sometimes to get through how we feel without voice and only computer screen. I know how you feel and others have said they feel the same too about being ignored…just keep pluggin away for Caylee..she would not want you to leave…you need to stay with the rest of us who know how you feel and the ones who need to…sometimes we get caught up in our own train of thought or distracted as the blog continues to move…I think everyone here for the most part is very respectful and we all find some kind of connnection to one another. There are many people here and when you get many together there will be misunderstnding, conflict and sorted feelings from time to time…But we are caylee’s family and caylees’ voice and she needs us all to stay for her…
i missed the game last night, what a good way to try and answer questions, i was reading up on other missing children, hopefully never in my life will i or any one close to me have to go through something so horrible, i myself am not anyone important(no spectacular job) except to my family, i enjuy reading everyones thoughts on this case wich has unexpectadly taken hold of me i hope everyone on here continues to stay, because everyone here brings good and diffrent outlooks, even thoes that dont agree with the majority, but all the thoughts are important, if one person has that thought someone else out there does to, i hope that maked sence, gotta go will check in later to see if any new news, have a good one guys/gals 🙂
i have one more comment, about the babysitter,my youngest grandson went to a new daycare awhile back, me i called the first day at the daycare to see how he was doing knowing how scary it is for a child to be somewhere new, thats why i cant understand no one having a phone# for this person, i know i keep repeating that but it really bothers me, ok i wont mention it again 🙂
anna..your prob. gone now but I really would like to hear the INNOCENT reasons from C as to why she had NO IDEA where her grandchild was day in and out knowing “like she says she does” her daughter. Better yet, I know children talk alot at that age and about who they are with and if she was with nanny for almost 2 years…I would like to ask C how many times Caylee talked about nanny and how many times C asked caylee ” is zanny nice to you?”….I would like to know even if c says well I had reason to believe anything was wrong….bullcrap-o-la….
most people don’t have anything to be worried about but they worry all the same…she should of still been asking caylee questions about zanny and her day on an ongoing basis….she didn’t have to call but should have had phone numbers like any respectable and loving grandmother…emerg. contact…at leas have talkin to zanny and met her. Espeically in the beginning…CAYLE WOULD HAVE BEEN A BRAND NEW BABY FOR THE MOST PART….
Who lets’ a baby that can’t even talk and that small go to someones house ya never met or talked to or checked out the environment/???
C KNOWS THERE WAS NEVER A NANNY….PERIOD. SHE IS A LIAR JUST LIKE M…THEY ARE TWO IN ONE LIARS….TRYING TO COVER UP A REALLY UGLY FAMILY AND THEIR DAUGHTERS DEEDS!…
There is NO REASONABLE explanation as to why c doesn’t know, or has ever asked caylee about zanny, other then she never existed!
Whoever is …sorry could scroll up but gotta run…
ADD TO THE RUNNING A LIST ON C AND G….
C NEVER MET, ASKED ABOUT, PHONED, WENT TO HOUSE OR HAD ANY REASON TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT A NANNY TO HER INFANT GRANDAUGHTER FOR 2 YEARS?
Good mroning all. yes Caylee~Angel that was probably thehardest question last night to answer because there have been no answers about that by C in the media, or LE interview. I tried to answer questions with what C & G have said in statements to LE or media where we heard them say it. A couple of answers I adlibbed based on there stand as clearly seen in media, but that was hard to come up with answer for it even hypothetically. I think that was the single toughest question last night during the “game’ Hope you are on later. I am sure we will play again. It seems a good way to look at this case in different perspective.
BUENOS DIAS MIS AMIGAS!!! Sapponin????
everyone was worried about you last night was missing your style
Oh I have been getting ready for my daughters bday….why was someone buggin you guys..lemme kno I can bust a hip,break a thumb!!
nah we got through it. Just noticed that some regulars were missing. Everything is fine. hope your daughter’s b.day was GREAT or is it today?
Man thats not even all the evidence just that little bit is all they have released…there is soo much more im sure…HAKUNA MATATA….I did have time tho to post Jan’s email to me bout personel conversations… 🙂 (she dunt care) it just slo’s things down is the only hitch in the giddy up!!
Well you know there is one person who would love to see get and attitude adjustment.
M. bet you loved to adjust that one.
Yea i saw your post, We were also missing Kris last night. I love how this blog has connected some of us to each other that is a good thing out of this ugliness for sure. I am counting the days until Caylee is found and brought home. I think we should start a pool on when they will find her.
ConcernedforCaylee word I have honestly made better friends here than I have had my whole life…seriously…I love you all soooo much…I have never connected so well with ppl like on here…AND O yah Id love to break..I mean adjust Monsters attitude..I think theres sooo much more evidence that they just havent released yet..like notice we havent heard boo about that dress they found…
Wheres Caylee~angel?? and Mytwocents…have we located MAMA??? Kris was mia to huh …Saturday night prolly busy!!
you’re right I think Jan and Simon only want to protect the integrity of the room, which to me means the attacking and deliberately bashing people. I think it is human nature to talk about things other than just this especially since it has gone on so long, and there is not a lot of new stuff out there. This blog is meant to encourage each other as well and mixing personal stuff helps us to do that. We are all one group united for one cause. We are part of the CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY JUSTICE TEAM.
You wanna kno what I think is the funniest thing about this case is when the grand jury indicted her she says “I want to help search for Caylee now.” she prolly said that right after BB said you got to turn yourself in..I wonder if she really thought that was gonna work and theyd let her stay out…I laughd till I cried when I heard she said that..,.
i am hoping youguys are right about more evedince, its always that way in cases they only release so much, i dont think m would be where she is at now, i have heard there are other articles of clothing also, but the dress is the big one, i think size 6 is a little to big tho but you never know, im waiting peatiently for the search to resume, and hopefully that will bring caylee home
yes Mama was here last night for a bit. I think she wasn’t feeling good, maybe tired, didn;t post as much but she was here a bit. you are right there is so much we really don’t know. like when did she search for missing children’s website, when and how did she research chloroform, If those happened before June 16, when everyone believes Caylee died, then it was premeditated not just a plot to cover up an accident. That is big info for me.
Did you kno it was 2 different cadavar dogs that hit on the SAME spot in there backyard?? I thought it was one dog in 2 spots but it was 2 dogs on the same spot!!! thats gonna say somethin in the trial..See I dont see the jury letting her walk on this until she says where Caylee is dead or alive..I just dont see them bein willin to just say not guilty unless she truelly produces a living Caylee and thats gonna have a effect on this case…
Anna, I feel good about this search, I believe more people than ever are committed to bringing Caylee home. SHE WILL BE FOUND WHEN THE SEARCH RESUMES. I FEEL IT. I KNOW IT I BELIEVE IT. and if Caylee is found by the cell phone pings that will ABSOLUTELY tie her to Caylee’s death and burial.
No Anna my daughter is only 2 and she has some size 6t clothes..they shrink up
my concern with the dress is a the results weren’t released Friday, so they aren’t done yet? whioh means it wasn’t that long ago the dress was found. How could it be in what Tim said was good conidtion, if it sat in the weather for 2 to 3 months. Fla sun would have faded the red at the very least. I think the dress is a hoax planted by someone who maybe thinks M is guilty and wants to make sure there is evidence. Bump how much does your daughter weigh? is it about the same weight as Caylee?
They are gonna find her Its Gods will that all theses ppl are gonna help..LIke its also Gods will that one little hair fell from that precious childs head..one little hair…that little hair is gonna seal the deal…the jury is gonna see it there gonna be shown the death band there gonna be shown Monster and Caylees matching dna there gonna see that the bish is living in front of them so it couldnt be her hair…that one little hair..GOds will Hes not gonna let her get away with this…one little hair is all that fell and they found it…its amazing…
Not if it was in the woods…trees would be covering it.. it would be weatherd tho…my girl weighs 30 or so #’s I dont even think that the dress C had on tv is the same one it was still on the store hanger…I dont kno I kno tho the Lord will not let Caylees justice go unserved
c4c, tim did say this will be the biggest search ever, well difrent types of clothes have diffrent sizes, some are bigger some smaller, that would be cruel to plant the dress unless someone wanted them to search that area, (my daughter has just claimed ive turned into a computer geek) ive never been on it so much except for this case,
Bump a word of caution on that. You are right God will have justice served for Caylee, just sometimes our justice is not the justice He uses. I do believe that She will be found guilty, I guess I worry that if bb and his team of bad guys gets her off people will think that God didn’t do his part. I know that is not what you mean by any stretch of the imagination. I just want everyone to remember WE DON’T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THE GRAND PLAN GOD HAS. He is always on the side of His children.
Good morning ladies! BOP, the cadaver dogs both hit on two places, the playhouse and sandbox in the yard; also the trunk. Also I remember C saying that Caylee talked about a puppy at the sitters once. Where is that dog? Anyone else remember that, or is it “brain glitch”?
bottom line is how do you have a decomposing hair in your trunk, missing daughter at the same x to much of a coincedence for me, wonder if at the trial they will point out all m lies, and then ask c&g if shes been this way all this time how could you possibly believe her now, especially about something as important as this, i can see overlooking some things they were probably tired of the bs, but the life of a little girl is something you canot overlook!
Anna and they are using some hi tech equipment also. I have gotten the feeling that they think she was dumped either into the water or very near watery or swampy area. which is the reason for having to delay the search, areas near water are too over grown to properly search and need vegatation to die off, and water levels are still to high from all the storms ( faye, and others) THey are bringing in cameras that can record the bottoms of the waters to look for objects out of place.
Hey Im here my son is on lego.com so I have to share the pc with him im just sneakin in when hes not lookin 😛
that is dedication Bump.
didnt jesses parents watch caylee sometimes? in the beginning, funny they knew about them just no one else
hi bump i was thinking the same thing everyone kept saying no smoking gun, but to me… the 2 hairs the live hair and then dead one found in the trunk shows alot to me, some said thats not enough IMO it is very much enough, theres no reason one LIVE hair and one DEAD hair would be in the same small area, meaning alive in the trunk and then dead in that trunk, if i was a juror I would see that… and we all know who the dead hair belongs to… I mean noone else she knows is dead, shes alive, caylee cannot be found no trace, its very much a smoking gun, the guy from NG who analzed the report agreed…he said alive in trunk dead in trunk.. i read the report too. whoever died in that trunk ran out of oxygen!!!
Yapp Gods will is what it is wether we agree or not..all in his due time…I love it…shes gonna rott regardless cus wether shes found guilty or not she will not have an easy life…not in any way but I kno the jury will see thru BB and her..
I’m betting on the cadaver dogs, unless they can be fooled by chemicals “consistent with” a dead body, that was also small enough to move around to three locations and be disappeared by a 100 lb. girl.
true but M and Jesse were engaged they were more a part of the family. I don’t understand C not at least having an address and phone number, maybe M gave her bad info but you would think she at least had info? I would love to ask her that question.
I also think she washed shovel off if she buried her out by gators there was plenty of water to rinse it off before bringing it back… did she bring it back?? and….can DNA be recovered off something that has been washed??? or rinsed off??? I’m finding these scientists can produce miracles however on DNA, , like you siad bump one lone hair found one banded hair… the lord moves in mysterious ways IMO
its amazing all the testing they can do nowadays, and it is a mirical that 1 little hair was found and could be tested i guess thats all you need sometimes, god does have a plan for everyone and your right it doesnt allways turn out as expected but it turns out how its suppose to
still not sure about the shovel thing. she returned the neighbors shovel on the same day. my understanding is that the pinging and stuff happened around the 26th or 27 of June, also when she tells Amy she got rid of the dead squirrels that were stinking up her car. also when her phone is silent for about 3 hours. One news article mentions there are no usable prints found on shovel in trunk. Could be a mistake and they meant shovel from nieghbor or was there a shovel in the trunk of the car. I dont think M counted on the car being towed. So she wasn’t finished getting rid of evidence in trunk.
Didn’t she leave her purse on the front seat of an unlocked car C4C? That sounds like she expected it to get stolen, not towed.
wouldn’t it be funny if they could prove that M bought a shovel with Amy’s money and have her on video buying it. Now that would be a “smoking gun”
yes her purse was in car, but not wallet or money because that was found at Tony’s house and C went through it and took out money and Le took an id card, maybe belonging to Amy.
yea can you imagine a theif opening that car….ugggg bet he would have changed his mind and left the car because of smell. She should have driven the car into a lake and reported it stolen.
the only people m told about her missing child were 2 people she knew a long x ago or ddidnt know at all, people she hadnt talked to in yrs, guess being put on the spot youd have to say something, i think her researching missing websites gave her the idea that they would believe her stories, and without a body there would be no cause for a murder trial but i think it all backfired in away she didnt expect, thank goodness, wonder where c&g have been looking this weekend, also wonder if le has someone following them just incase m told them what she did with caylee, in case they tried to move her i dont trust c at all, she knew what she was doing when she washed the pants that smelled like death, le would be alot closer to solving this if that hadnt been done!
That’s weird, I guess she carried the wallet in her pocket when she bought groceries? Did the purse smell bad too?
Just a hello to All. I have been very busy and also somewhat lost interest in the case since m is now incarcerated and NOT going anywhere.
I still watch NG and follow the story-line closely. Will pop back in another day.
I heard an interesting theory about all the people that she names. maybe some of you have already heard or.. so jump in and help explain it if you can. Someone said that went back through a yearbook for the school M attended and found names of people that matched names she used. But the names were mixed up. Like Zenaida was a girl at her school but she had a different last name. there were several people like that. I think Juilet Lewis was also one they mentioned. It was interesting that shehas been making up people for a very long time. Example of this would be the emails she was sending herself from her boss at univeral.
i also thought it was a shovel borrowed from the neighbors,i dont rember one being in the trunk but i could be wrong, why the heck would you leave your purse in the car when you left it, also i rember hearing lv asking m if she drove caylee around in a car smelling like that he was unbelieving because she said she drove around with the smell and lv couldnt stand the smell in the garage
not sure about the purse “Smelling” or the wallet for that matter. But I would imagine that if the wallet had not been left in the car in a while the smell would wear off. Maybe that is why she left he purse. Maybe it did smell.
Hi cj! It is a bit slow now. I was thinking that when I am around odors, (not dead bodies) my hair and clothes soak up the smell really fast. You’d think Tony would have commented on that.
the mixed up names go with the little bit of truth conected to the lie
who was it that said m showed up had asked to shower there and when she arrived it seemed like she had allready showered? but did anyway
I think that after M ditched the body. she went to G & C’s took a shower and changed clothes, then she was only in the car for about 5 minutes, and that was interior of car not trunk. It would have taken longer for that smell to have gotten into the side of car. and she was waiting for him as soon as he pulled up. She had food that came from C & G’s thats why I think she showered first. He was not allowed anywhere near the car. HE pulls up and she is holding her stuff, gets in his car and says she will take care of her car later. How come the guys who helped her push her car out of the street haven’t come forward yet.
Either Ricardo, Jesse, I think it was Ricardo but I don’t think that was the day she got rid of the body at least the last time. Could have been after she moved it from C & G yard to her car.
That would have been during the time Tony was out of town in New York.
the one piece of this puzzle that bothers me is how did she know the info on Zenieda from the apartment complex. She had to have seen that card? but how? If no one in the office recognized her?
it is odd that she knew about the type of car she drove and she named the same complex that zanni visited as last place she left Caylee, by stairs to apartment that Zanni actually saw? Seems Strange, and I am not saying Zanni was in on it either. I just don’t get this part. She seems so smart on one hand and so stupid on the other.
Weren’t her friends moving out then? They could have had her drop something off at the office if she was there to help or say goodbye.
Could be but no one from the complex recognized a pic of M. that is why it is confusing, If her friends lived there wouldn’t a resident have recognized her from past visit? Did she ever have Caylee over to visit. Aren’t those the people who didn’t have interviews released to public? Wonder what is in them.
That’s something I’m very curious about too. Did these people babysit? The vacant apt was right under theirs and Casey said she dropped Caylee off at the bottom of the stairs. If Zenaida’s apt was below, why would she mention stairs? Is it a 3 level apt bldg? Managers come and go at apt complexes so maybe it was a new manager? Also, they are often out showing apts, so she would have add access to Zenaida’s application.
True, because I understand that they showed m the pic of “the Zanni” from apt and she couldn’t pick out her pic. which meant she didn’t see her just saw info. Interesting. She isn’t crazy by any definition. What if she has multiple personality stuff. Maybe she even made Caylee call her zanni when she was with her. Maybe she is zanni. That would explain why Caylee could have talked about her day and not sent up red flags. There has been no info about where she spent her time for the last almost two years since she left universal. I can’t believe she stayed at home the whole time with Caylee being the “good mom”
Yes I concur Pammyliz whoever was alive in that trunk (Caylee) died in that trunk I have said it from the beginning I believe she was druggin that bebe and leaving her in the trunk to go a partay…like Gumshoe said a looong time ago I think Caylee took her last breath in that trunk!!!
Did she stop by Sawgrass after the death to “go to a neutral place” and figure out what to do. While she was figuring out her story, perhaps pretending help her friends move, she spotted the Zenaida info and incorporated it. She said she sat on the stairs for a while; maybe she was taking time to think and spotted Zenaida from a distance looking at that apt.
She wasnt at home with Caylee bein a good mom C&G were at home with Caylee and I believe she was Zanny in her own mind…well I believs Zanny was prescription xanax its alot more common than you think young mothers druggn there kids so they can go party..I use to be friends with a girl who did that with nyquil..alot of nyquil….alot of young mothers do horrible things to there children when they view them as burdens…and her friend Jesse stated she asked him for xanax on numerous occasions….I think Zanny the nanny was a smart ass name for the drugs….she was givn to Caylee to knock her out in the trunk then when Caylee died she had to cover her ass for her Zanny the nanny comments to her friends at the partys when they would ask wheres Caylee and she would say oh shes with Zanny the nanny…she was druggin that poor girl with hard core narcotics…
howdy all! it does no good to leave and go to sleep, now I’m starting to dream about the case. I wish I could read faster sometimes – it’s hard to do that and adequately respond to everyone’s ideas.
CA – I have been thinking about this nanny situation for a long time – I know it is freaking a lot of us out. When I went back to the transcripts I noticed several things that may explain why C wasn’t all over it.
First of all, I think C and G learned about the “nanny” some time in mid-spring like May or early June. There was a woman who babysat from time to time – and I think even Jesse Grund’s mother might have once in a while. But it wasn’t until June that M was using her as a full-time excuse – right about the time she started hanging out with her “new friends” from Fusian (I think Amy said that M’s first trip to Fusian was the first week of June and her first real “date” with Tony was the 11th. M may have manufactured the story for her parents a bit earlier to cover seeing Ricardo but remember, she took Caylee with her over there a lot. Since C and G had M’s cellphone number and assumed Caylee would be with her, they may not have thought to ask for another.
George indicated in his interview that Caylee spent almost 90% of her time with him or his wife after Casey had moved back in. Remember, she was living for something like the first 8 months at the Grunds. The fact that she’d be living there right away versus being at home shows me there was tension with C from the get go about how to be a mom, I’ll bet. I am sure that a lot of the friction had to do with money, responsibility and independence.
I think C and G knew perfectly well their daughter hadn’t worked in a while and were just supporting her at home while she “looked for work”, although I don’t think they knew she had just recently made up the story about being an event planner. I think M cooked that up after she left to have excuses to get out of the house in the evenings – “working” home during the day. And dummied up emails and appt books to back it up – probably because C would want her to prove it.
George also said that M would drop Caylee off at her mom’s workplace in the afternoon when she had to “go to work”. George was there in the mornings – he said M and Caylee often slept in the same bed – and I’m sure he supervised Caylee when she woke up and M was sleeping. I think they may have taken over much of her care. Several friends remarked that M seemed very casual about leaving her alone in a room for long periods of time – as if any other adult in the room would automatically take charge of her child. That may be coldness, or it may be habit. C may have been as domineering with M about how to be a mother as she’s been about other stuff. She may have jumped in first instead of letting M do it herself. Frankly, I think they were treating Caylee like M’s little sister, which was part of the whole jealousy thing.
C was not very kind to M in front of her own friends about how confident she felt in her daughter’s ability to succeed in life, much less parent. Imagine how critical she was when no one was around. She was a haranguer. I think M was starting to tell her to back off.
Her older friends didn’t hear much about a nanny if at all, and her newer ones did because I think she wanted to show off that she had one and was independent. Several friends state she was into “one-upping”. M was now hanging out with a bunch of college students who partied hard and had money to play and go on trips. They had seen she had a child and lived with her parents. I think she felt she was a leg-down from their lifestyle and created a job that would have her talking on cellphones and using a laptop to dispel that notion. She made up a new college certificate and told them she was going back to “finish” her degree. She stole money from her parents through credit cards so she could act like she didn’t need to pay for things with cash. Having a “nanny” instead of parents for babysitters sounded as if she was successful and important.
I’m sure her parents called her about things during those last couple of months, C in particular. They were getting fed up with the crap. I think M told them she was taking Caylee with her on “job” to Jacksonvile and Tampa, etc. and C and G thought she was simply trying to be more responsible. M supposedly called C the week before the car was towed – the week she was “in Tampa” and M apologized for not calling her earlier that day and gave a lot of time creating the Zani in the hospital story. That shows me C expected her to check in often.
As for not having the nanny’s number, I think C was constantly bugging M for details and M was wiggling out of things the way she did with the police (her number is in my old phone, it’s on my desk, I’ll get it for you later).
C and G had been told to back off I believe, that if they wanted M to take over more of Caylee’s care, they needed to “trust” her. C and G were between a rock and a hard place because they were probably afraid if they pushed too hard, M would take their granddaughter and go live elsewhere.
Even so, C was worried about it enough to mention it to her therapist. We know she had doubts but was unsure how to go about things. Obviously she waited too long.
I know it sounds odd to us that they did not have all kinds of numbers for her new childcare arrangements, but I also think they thought this nanny was a relatively new phenomenon and were getting a lot of pushback from M. Once they put two and two together and realized she might have done something to Caylee herself I think they went along with the story she told police, or at least didn’t actively contradict it, to help cover up for their daughter. They were also busy during that time circling the wagons and searching for any other possible suspect besides M that they could lay their hands on, so I don’t think they were going to come out and tell LE, we only found out about this nanny person a month or two ago because basically WE’VE been taking care of this child since day one.
We can blame C and G for not being “on” to her enough, but I also think they had no idea how to manage their daughter without losing their grandchild. If C had threatened again to take her away during their June 15 fight, M might have wanted to punish C or M was afraid that if C did replace M with Caylee, she’d lose her mealticket, her car, access to her parents credit cards, etc. and be exposed to her friends as the little fraud she was.
It looks to me like the whole dynamics of the Ant family simply cannot be compared to “normal” families and how they communicate and interract.
Naw Val she saw the Zanieda info before Caylee went missing I thought she said she wantd to look at an apartment and thats how she got the name Zanieda…GUMSHOE WE NEED YOU!! COME OUT COME OUT WHEREVER YOU ARE!!
if m had been planning this its easy to get info, zanida had to fill out a form to visit or sighn a book and m cauld have seen the car if she was visiting friends at sawgrass, or maybee m was there when zenida came to look and someone called her name and m heard
Cecybeans thats what ive been sayin if C took Caylee from Monster than she would have no more free ride no car no free rent nothing cus you and I kno theyd kick her skanky butt to the curb if they got custody of Caylee..I still think Zanny is xanax tho…
Monster is very manipulative she knew what she was doin..she has had Caylees murder planned I think since birth..she hated Caylee and that was enuff for her after the June 15th fight cus C had warned her that she was gonna try and get custody of Caylee if she didnt clean up her act…and that she wasnt gonna watch Caylee so she could go party she said she needed to take her or not party and that was it for MOnster its like she feels she was doin everyone a favor…by killing Caylee..in her eyes she was takin a burden from everyone isnt that sick!!
This is Tee totally off the subject but you gotta love this chick for keepin it real even in the public spot light…do ppl really pay to see her in concert????
http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/26/our-little-girl-is-all-growed-up/
Excellent summary, I agree that Casey felt enormous pressure on the 15th that her world was going to crash.
Sorry I just hadda post that..shes a wreck…im suprised shes still alive…
Yah she felt like Caylee was finally gonna take everything from her like Caylee was not only a burden to her but also to C and G and the whole world Its sick but I see her smile at them in the court room in the beginning when shes in the blue jail uniform and its like she really thinks she did everyone a favor by killing Caylee like no more to worry about..no more daycare no more fighting she really thinks she did everyone a favor by doin this..
no bump she could have only seen that apt card on June 17, or later. I am pretty sure that is the date of the card. with info on it. But it seems that there was a date mixup when it was released. Cant’t remeember for sure. ANyone else remember
Gumshoe would kno she kno’s all about that stuff…You kno who kno’s with Monster tho she is crafty and I dont mean in the Beasty Boy cool kind of crafty I mean the PHYCO HOSE BEAST crafty skank hole slut bag hooker way…child killing slut bag skank..oh i said that…
didn’t someone (maybe Gums) mention a few days ago that M had Tony’s jeep that day at Sawgrass? I don’t remember the day the real Zenaida applied.
She was looking for apts. herself – had mentioned moving in with Amy. She probably went all over the place looking for them so she could move out.
She might have been there right when the real Zenaida was touring the place and glanced at her application or gone through the desk. We don’t know how many people manned the rental office – might have been just one that was out. When they got back, she was gone but had noticed the name. Or they might not have remembered her – nobody said she was definitely never there, she just wasn’t identified. They were probably shown a pic of her car by LE and didn’t remember that because it wasn’t the one she was driving.
She started googling the hell out of it on July 16th.
i would also like to know what m did all day when she supposidly was at work 2 yrs is along time for someone to pull something like that off, kinda funny the split personality thought, not that id believe that but stranger things have happened
HEY E1. C4C WHERE DID U HEAR BOUT GUYS HELPING HER PUSH CAR OUT OF STREET?
no July 16th was not M she was with police. I think that was LV and C. Trying to find who had Caylee. I think they are the ones googling for Zanni o July 16. and which one of us computer slueths wouldn’t have done that in their position. M is with Le all over giving them the bs tour while C,G, and LV sit at home. so they seach for the babysitter. makes since to me. imo
bumples, is that really her?
The conjecture is interesting though most isn’t admissible. The lab work is solid though. The hair that came from the decomposing body almost certainly came from either Casey or Caylee. The original post/blog understood “neither can be excluded” as against the population in general. But the DNA shows it almost certainly came from one OR the other. And one of the two is known to be alive. Casey’s desire to be free of the burden’ of her daughter goes to motive but opportunity will be an issue.
The main area of work may concern who had access to the trunk from June 15 to July 15. As Casey ditched the car the field is fairly wide. The State will have to show CASEY had the greatest opportunity.
How can that be done?
that is what M told Tony when he picked up her after she “ran out of gas” That some guys helped her push the car out of the street. No guys have stepped forward and claimed to have helped her to my knowledge. Also if my car was broken down at a business legit. I would have gone in and explained to person at business. hey my car is broken I need to go get some help to fix it I will be back. That would have given mre time before it was towed, but would have shown her face, something she didn;t want for obvious reasons.
Anna she was out whorin around and partying for those two years while her mom and dad had split shifts C workd during the day while G watched Caylee and G workd at night so that C could watch Caylee it was the perfect set up for Monster…she said she workd in the day so she couldnt watch Caylee so G switched to graveyard and then she had her nights full of being a slut so C would stay at home and get Caylee settled for the night she had it perfect… MAMA there you are…I hadnt heard someone helpd her push it off the street wonder if they noticed the eww de odor??
They are gonna question everyone that they kno had access to the car…
the car shows no sign of forced entry therefore only person with a key could have accessed the inside of car. We know that as of the 26th she left the car and Tony picked her up from their. So we are only talking about from 26th forward. Tow yard should have decent reocrds to show that, and her purse was still in their so nothing had been stolen. M herself also texts people about the smell so she was driving the car after decomposing body is in the car.
OK C4C. WE CAN’T USE ANYTHANG M SAYS AS FACT BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT A LAIR SHE IS. SHE PROBABLY JUST PARKED IT THERE AND NEVER INTENDED TO GO BACK FOR IT.
THAT PLAYS ALONG WITH HER LEAVING TOWN TO GO TO THAT GUY IN CALIF. JUST TYING UP LOOSE ENDS. I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE IF C HADN’T POPPED IN AT TIONYS
bump i think she lied. I dont think anyone helped her she just said that to explain why she was leaving it behind. I think her run in with George two days earlier made her feel the need to not be seen in the car, he came too close to finding Caylee.
you’re right – the visit was on the 17th of june.
i really like whose idea it was that M went there to chill out on the steps. she may have also been looking up at the steps to see if that apt. was still vacant (might have overheard it was vacant for awhile) and if she could manufacture an excuse for the kidnapping story.
this kidnapping story i strongly feel was in the works but that M was too busy trying to impress her new party friends and boyfriend to do more than a half-assed job. she was busted too soon by C and was just grasping at straws.
all of her stories, since day one look so rushed and amateurish. not that I don’t think she was capable of planning something truly evil, I just think she was too impulsive to do it very well.
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Peach – I know you’re keeping us on the facts, but a lot of us are just trying to speculate as to what might have happened just to get some kind of personal closure.
I think LE would have to prove there was no sign of forced entry to either trunk or car.
However, since C and G opened it and clearly interfered with what they initially apparently thought was potential evidence in a crime scene, they pretty much blow that. (I’ve always thought that was why they lawyered up so fast – that and the fact that C thought her relationship with M would be a big factor in any kind of defense – chokes her daughter the night before and the next day the child disappears)
LE didn’t come get the car until the next day (which gave the Ants a lot of time to mess with stuff) and as long as they’ve preserved chain of evidence protocol I shouldn’t think it would be a problem after that. Not that the defense won’t have a go at that. they’re going to be arguing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.
There are three people from Sawgrass on the witness list, according to Humbleopinion blog.
Peach – glad you’re with us and thanks for the info on GAL. FL is lucky you and your family are good advocates for children’s protection and rights.
I can’t find your earlier post, but was glad about your comment that public opinion will play a part in state resources going to this.
I haven’t noticed any ethnic bias on Baez, but I’m not in FL, however I do think he’s made several strategic mistakes in mishandling public opinion.
For one, he let that amateur mouthpiece Todd Black screw things up. And it was really stupid to let Caylee spend all her time in his law offices. Having a client that has stripper pole pix of herself all over the net and is constantly flinging herself at men spend business hours in your office sounds risky to me and like something that could backfire in a million ways, both personally and professionally.
Baez painting her as a “victim”, when her recorded behavior has been nothing but hostile, defensive, narcissistic, unemotional, unrepentant and pathologically uncooperative in finding her missing child since she was arrested, just makes him look like a fool.
I think public opinion about his actions so far in her case have more to do with his inability to handle the press and to keep his client out of the spotlight.
She does need to have a decent defense attempt if this isn’t going to end up a mistrial or subject to endless appeals.
Hi mama – you came and left without me getting to say Hi! I am too slow at reading and posting to catch up. see ya later!
BOP – that pic of winehouse is awful. even though one is a glamour shot and the other is a National Enquirer candid type (i’ve never seen a star look good in public and daylight) it still paints a stark and creepy contrast.
Great before and after thing to show kids about the toll of leading a hard drug life.
hi val – you are right. I think one is Amanda Macklin – the property manager who remembered Zani’s name but not photo. Another is Harry Garcia who showed Zani the apt. I can’t find the third one – may be someone they asked afterward to ID M or her car.
Prolly they are just using this to establish Z did not exist as a tenant.
Sawgrass is three levels, so there goes my ground floor, no stairs theory, sigh. Ah well, I’m outta here for now. Bye all
Last note: There was the couple who lived there also; didn’t see them on the list, but heard they were.
val – i think the couple is on there to prove they had vacated by Feb. Wouldn’t it be funny if THEY had actually run into M???
Weren’t the people who lived there Annie and her boyfriend that worked at the auto parts store. Either they lived there and moved or were going to and then changed their mind. Weren’t they also looking for the guy.
Ok Good Afternoon, ladies and gents…
Poll for finding baby caylee
CAYLEE ANGEL PREDICTS: SUNDAY NOVEMBER 9 1:12PM….
I think it is important to predict time as there are way too many people and we all feel she will be found within days…I can keep track of the poll if you like.
MAMABEAR’S QUOTE: “THAT PLAYS ALONG WITH HER LEAVING TOWN TO GO TO THAT GUY IN CALIF. JUST TYING UP LOOSE ENDS. I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE IF C HADN’T POPPED IN AT TIONYS” [end quote]
My speculation: Good point, Mama. Regardless of how crazy she was for Tony, I think she was already beginning her regular routine of lining up the next guy (victim). Tony was giving hints she was moving too fast and was planning on finding a new apartment with his friend. Yet Casey claimed to friends that she and Tony were searching for an apartment. All the while, she was also telling Amy that she and Amy would be moving into the Anthony home.
BUT, was her REAL plan to skedaddle to California? Remember she told the Cali guy she had “something to tell him.”
WAS M PLANNING TO FAKE HER OWN DEATH? Surely if M was hidden in Cali (remember, she could’ve planned on doing this while her closest friends were in Puerto Rico), and C&G find the car, reeking of the smell of death, with M and Caylee missing, then everyone would have assumed the possibility that both M and Caylee were dead.
Is this plausible? Just wondering …
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Peach’s quote: “The main area of work may concern who had access to the trunk from June 15 to July 15. As Casey ditched the car the field is fairly wide. The State will have to show CASEY had the greatest opportunity. / How can that be done?” [end quote]
My speculation/answer: M was in possession of the car from June 15-27, so she controlled access to the trunk. Ask her who else had access to the trunk. If she makes up some BS answer, nail her down on specifics: Who? When? Where?
Then interview the person she’s trying to blame, and they show an alibi for that period of time.
While the car was at Amscot, it was locked, and remained locked until towed. Once it was towed, records show exactly who had access. Then the Anthony clan had access afterwards.
Lack of or presence of fingerprints will surely also come into the picture.
Hay Tex sapponin???
Caylee~angel…shelliepaul@hotmail.com—- 😛 yer silly….
concernedforcaylee – Dante and Annie lived at Sawgrass, and I believe they moved shortly after all this happened.
Dante is not missing, as some have speculated. He never was missing. LE just never released his interview. Both Dante and Annie are on the prosecution’s witness list.
ConcernedforCaylee that guy from the hardware store is Dante..yah they were lookin for him…some think he helpd kill Caylee Im not sure but I think LE ffound him and questiond him…she used his move to her advantag3 I think cus he moved on like the 17th…or a day sooner or so…but like someone on here said she adds a little truth to remember the lie his name is Dante uhh
Hey BUMPLES! Actually, I’m heading to the beach right now! Hoping I can find someplace to relax, amongst the damage from Hurricane Ike. It’s a beautiful day, and the beach is calling my name!
I’ll bbl. Hoping to get opinions on my idea about m possibly having planned to fake her own death.
See ya!
Good answers all. I think she would have left Tony because of all the questions about Caylee. She had to know she couldn’t stay in Fla and avoid people who would ask, especially mom and C. My theory is she got a call from C and knew they had the car now. I can only imagine the panic C must have been giving her. So M. is erasing her tracks, when C and Amy arrive at Tony’s he claimed he and his room mate are playing video games and M is working on her laptop. I think she was erasing info that might give them info…especially to guy in Cal. I think in another day or so she would have cut and run. That is why she wasn’t worried about Amy’s checks and stuff she intended to be long gone before that ever came up. Without M or Caylee there would have been all kinds of speculation as they both disappear without a trace. M couldn’t have know there was a hair in trunk, no one could have proven if she died and Caylee or just m and they kiddnapped Caylee.
Yapp Tex thats it LE found him…and have questioned him and I read Dante is not that happy with Monster for incorporating him in Caylees “disapearance” I read he is pissie..wouldnt you be!!
Hi CIT!
I also think M was looking for options to skip town if need be and if it fell through with Tony (she seemed to have one guy in her sights and a couple in the background).
This guys in CA in the military – she suddenly started calling him after a long time – I don’t think her knew her all that well anymore but she was resurrecting this as an escape plan.
I can’t remember the dates – was it before or shortly after we think she killed Caylee?
EVERYTHING she did was so amateurish, like LE and her parents are just total idiots.
Whats the doods name in Cali. where she was heading???
Phone records released by bounty hunter, Leonard Pailla, disclosed that Casey told a friend in California, Mark Hawkins, who was in daily contact with her during the time that Caylee was missing, that “she was planning a trip to CA, that she needed to tell him something and that she didn’t know how he would react to it”.
oh dear, can’t type, can’t write in complete sentences, my pronouns are off, unclear antecedents – CIT forgive me, it’s the weekend!
Hey Cecybeans…in Chigagoland…Im in Portland (West Coast..)
Caylee~angel!! whats goin on girl???
not sure I have heard a name, and if it is out there if that is just media answer Just like the guy Ortiz that was claimed to be Caylee dad. MEdia just researched people who died in car wreck. no one from ANts ever said that name offically at least.
“Oh hay Mark I need to tell you I killed Caylee so I could come out here and leach off of you and be a big ol fat skank.”
cecy – m never had to hone her skills bc she had idiot parents (sorry, but this is my opinion — neither is very bright)
bumples – I’m eagerly anticipating reading what Dante has to say.
concernforcaylee – see my above post about my theory that she may have been planning on faking her own death.
ConcernedforCaylee::::: dood in Cali. name was Mark Hawkins
Bump0naPickle said,in October 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm Phone records released by bounty hunter, Leonard Pailla, disclosed that Casey told a friend in California, Mark Hawkins, who was in daily contact with her during the time that Caylee was missing, that “she was planning a trip to CA, that she needed to tell him something and that she didn’t know how he would react to it”
HERES THE WITNESS LIST IN CASEY ANTHONY CASE:::
http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=291363
Witness List Released In Casey Anthony Case
Sgt. John Allen, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Karen Angel, Dora Nursing and Rehabilitation Center, Mount Dora, where Casey Anthony’s grandfather lived.
Cynthia Anthony, Casey Anthony’s mother, Caylee Anthony’s grandmother
George Anthony, Casey Anthony’s father, Caylee Anthony’s grandfather.
Lee Anthony, Casey Anthony’s brother.
Deputy Charity R. Beasley, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Gerardo Bloise, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Rosanna Bonilla
Simon Burch, works at wrecker company that towed Casey Anthony’s car.
Brian Burner, neighbor of Cindy and George Anthony who loaned shovel to Casey Anthony.
Deputy Sandra G. Cawn, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Ann Marie Chase
Kristina Chester, friend of Casey Anthony.
David D. Clarke, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Danny Colamarino, works at tattoo parlor that Casey Anthony visited.
Dee Crawford, Event Imaging Solutions Group.
Matthew Crisp
Kiomarie Cruz
Jonathan Daly, Works at tattoo parlor that Casey Antony visited.
Kelly Deguzman, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Tanya DePalmo, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Annie Dowling
Deputy Ryan Eberlin, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Eric Edwards, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Deputy Rendon Fletcher, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Deputy Jason Forgey, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Thomas Galaida, Tom’s Auto Repair.
Harry Garcia, Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey Anthony said Caylee’s nanny lived.
Rich Garrad, Carlson Restaurants, Texas.
Zenaida Gonzalez, woman whose name Casey Anthony used as Caylee’s nanny.
Jessie Grund, Casey Anthony’s ex-boyfriend.
Mark Hawkins, friend of Casey Anthony.
Deputy Susan Hempfield, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Jeffrey Hopkins II, identified in police report as former high school classmate of Casey Anthony who ran into her in late June.
Jeffrey and Melissa Hopkins, Jeffrey II’s parents.
Reginald Hosey, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Roy House
Amy Huizenga, friend of Casey Anthony.
Sgt. Matthew Irwin, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Michael Kispert, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Maria Kissh
Anthony Lazzaro, recently Casey Anthony’s boyfriend.
Ricardo Lee, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Anne Lennington, from nursing home where Casey Anthony’s father was.
Nicole Lett, from wrecker company that towed Casey Anthony’s car.
Dannielle Lucey-Austin
Amanda Macklin, Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey Anthony said Caylee’s nanny lived.
Tom Manderville, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Deputy Peter Marino, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Awilda McBryde, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Joy McCabe, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
William McCoy, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Deputy Samara Melich, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Yuri Melich, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Officer William Moore, Orlando Police Department.
Ricardo Morales, dated Casey Anthony.
Custodian of 911 Calls, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Custodian of Records of Johnson’s Wrecker Service, which towed Casey Anthony’s car.
Custodian of Records of AT&T Wireless.
Ryan Pasley
Shirley Plesea
Melissa Remy, FDLE
Gary Ridgeway, Johnson’s Wrecker, which towed Casey Anthony’s car.
Pedro Rivera, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Kari Roderick, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Dante Salah
Deputy Michael Salamat, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Katherine Sanchez, Amscot
Nicole Schieber, Johnson’s Wrecker, which towed Casey Anthony’s car.
Deputy Michael Seagraves, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Renee Simpson, Valencia Community College.
Dianne Tighe, Colorvision
Dave Turner, Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey Anthony said Caylee’s nanny lived.
Leonard Turtora, where Casey Anthony said she worked.
Michael Vincent, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Deputy Appling Wells, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Deputy Jerold White, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Lance White
Bobby Lee Williams
Deputy Ryan Williams, Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Sorry its huge…Hay I got to jet…bbl
I agree about her death, but she wasn’t doing very well with that part seeing as she was seen with Tony and friends.
BYE BUMP….. DAM THAT B LONG LIST. SURE HOPE TRIAL IS ON TV. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE WE DON’T KNOW.
concernedforcaylee said,in October 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
YES C4C BUT HER LIES WERE NEVER THOUGHT OUT. SHE SEEMED TO LIE WHEN THE NEED AROSE
I haven’t noticed any ethnic bias on Baez, but I’m not in FL, however I do think he’s made several strategic mistakes in mishandling public opinion.
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Good point, I think it is something he’ll have to analyze. He’s got a defendant that is NOT sympathetic.
Concerned, thanks for the info about the trunk being locked. That MIGHT narrow it to those who had keys or access thru master keys. Certainly it constricts the available pool of possible subjects considerably.
So Casey Anthony had motive & and opportunity. Means are a given, the child was helpless next to an adult. The defense may need to find some slimy characters who hung out near Amscot.(sp?)
Your 12:08 makes a good argument for a 2nd degree conviction; she resented the child enough to have ended the child’s life in a fit of anger. I’m still with BumponPickle though. I believe it was manslaughter with cover up crimes. But, there are those missing children searches before Caylee disappeared……she could have been thinking about finding someone to keep her out of the way for a time before the events which led to Caylee’s death.
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The state can LOWER the charge at almost any time, the defense can howl they are not prepared for a lesser charge but it just buys a bit more time; here are the possibilities:
Capital Muder
Second degree
Aggravated manslaughter
Anybody who wants to read the law (Chapter 782, Florida Statutes) can access it through MyFlorida.com or I can post a link if anyone wants one.
bump…silly?…you da silly one…the email…your close though…lol
Hey BOP – love Portland – was out there a couple of times last year – it’s a beeYOOtiful city! Thanks for the witness list – we can cut and paste it and put it in our voluminous Caylee files!
CIT and C4C – I think she might have been trying to manufacture a new “daddy” trail for Caylee if it was before the murder – just to leech off of claiming she needed “child support” or something – always looking for new revenue streams, dear little M – it might have been an alibi for her whereabouts during the time Caylee was going to officially “go missing” She might have originally wanted to pull it off in LAX or somewhere crowded and far away. She was always inventing trips to throw her parents off the trail and probably figured they wouldn’t go all the way out to CA to get as involved. She could “manage” the whole situation from afar.
ANYONE INTERESTED IN PICKING A DATE AND A TIME WHEN ES AND PADDINGTON BEAR FIND OUR BABY?
shellylpaul is caylee~angel
NOT ME SHELLY. I’M NOT GOOD AT THAT BUT WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT YA’LL SAY ABOUT IT. LOL
WHAT? AM CONFUSED
mama…where are ya? bump? let’s get our dates in order…
I AM IN PA.
mama…just pick a date nov 8 or 9 or 10th or whatever…why not..and any time of the day…
i am in canada?
OK-AROUND NOON ON THE 9TH
beans..ya wanna pick a “we found our baby” date?
mamabear…your a dolly…i knew you would pick…your on the list! muah
MMT,
Sitting here laughing about that crazy,crazy English (or rather American) language.
I was not born here , neither did I grow up in the USA. But in The Netherlands till I was 25. Have been quite some years in the USA though but still get caught in the incorrect usage of the language.
A Polak is a male person from Poland. Polka is a female person from Poland. How it ever became derogatory in English is beyond me. Not different than an American from the USA.
The correct term Pole is even more sillier to me. Should be Polander like Iceland , Icelander not Ice.
Anyway, no insult was intended . Can add that to my long list of embarassing usage of English over the years like;
A gay bar is not a happy bar.
No dingleberry pie exists.
Peckerhead is not some kind of woodpecker.
Body shop is not an erotic place of business.
No multiple towns in Georgia by the name of Litter Barrel.
Etc, Etc…
As to correct spelling of Kobilinsky, guess that is of Russian origin. Still donot like him anymore and his current waffling on NG since becoming part of the M team.
Still like to give him a nick name as other characters on the M team. Would “meathead” suffice?
Peach – there are just so many feasible scenarios with this case – that’s why is fascinates us all.
I think the missing child searches show she was planning SOMETHING, at the very least a fake “kidnapping”. A kidnapped child would put her back in the center of attention and sympathy. She could have played that out forever.
The problem is, she also mixes that up later with chloroform recipe searches. That put a much more nefarious light on things. Best case scenario she was drugging her daughter to party without a babysitter – worst case scenario she was planning on a more permanent state of unconsciousness. Either one is assault of a child.
Even if murder one can’t be proven and she gets second or manslaughter because they just cannot prove it wasn’t an accidental death – the premeditated things she did that indicate she was contemplating sedating her child or having her disappear will be hard to swallow.
Ancillary to that her subsequent CYA behavior combined with a happy, energized demeanor (no jury is going to see Hot Body contests as a coverup for grief), stealing her friend’s money when she was on a trip M thought she was entitled to be on herself, blithely going on little shopping sprees and cooking dinner for her boyfried, getting “good life” tattoos – NO jury will believe she is not cold-blooded and capable of murder even if they only have enough evidence to indicate the lesser charge. I think the sentencing will take care of that and she’ll get the max for any lesser charge.
I agree that the defense doesn’t need to use a third-party culpability strategy by dragging C into things, but I’m sure they’ll paint M as a scatter-brained emotional teenager who was forced by a domineering, manipulative and possibly abusive mother to grow up too soon or some other such nonsense.
LOL CUTE SNOOKS
snook…live and learn…your A1 in my book..I don’t any of us come on here and intentionally get ourselves in hot water with anyone…we are not for that…picking a date?
hello ladies, we have a very nice sunny sunday here…lets hope some of the sun will shine in the blog today
CA – wish I could pick an optimistic date. I have a feeling it will be at least a week or two. They have a lot of ground to cover. I’ll say something like November 14.
Snookers, you are too funny! A lot of people from elsewhere actually have much better grammar than those of us who were born here! My sis used to teach ESL in CA and her favorite story was when some Asian students came back with teeshirts that said “I got crabs at Fisherman’s Wharf” – she had to explain it meant two different things.
Another story is that a girlfriend of mine from the former country of Yugoslavia came to Chicago for her very first time on Halloween. She took a cab from the airport and on the way she saw all these kids dressed in scary costumes all over the streets, throwing toilet paper, etc. She apparently figured it was a normal night in Chi-town. When she got to her dads house she was crying hysterically saying she couldn’t live in a place like this – it looked too dangerous!
bri – wanna pick a date for when LE and paddington bear find our baby? Pick a time too please if ya wanna join the poll!
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oh, we cool?
HEY BRI…………
Bri – are you in FL too? Or TX? I can’t remember. Most of the rest of us aren’t too happy about the weather these days so it must be somewhere nice!
BRB —–FOOD IS CALLING ME………
i say the 10th, or maybe i should pray the 10th…we’re cool, as i said, we get over it and move on…but i’m still a little aggrivated about the dog comment last night, that was a very sick low blow
i’m in alabama
beans..nice and sunny in ontario canada today…prob. a cool 8 degrees or so but sunny!
bri…i never said anything about your dog?
I read something about it this morning when i was catching up but I never said anything to you last night?
caylee angel, i know, it wasn’t you…someone else insinuated i did something disgusting with my dog
bri…what time?
it wasn’t you caylee angel
Mama – Paddington’s already in FL isn’t he? Prolly rounding up all his bounty hunter friends – THAT is gonna be a sight to see.
C made a big old mistake when she didn’t treat Tim Miller well. That really energized old Paddington Bear! I think he’s also pissed m and the Ants used him to get her out the first time. Someone on tv yesterday said him bailing her out was the worst thing he could have ever done for that case – it was a murder level bail and it shows LE wanted her there away from creature comforts and her family. I don’t blame him, though. I think at first he really believed she would tell him and I respect him for admitting his mistake.
i don’t remember now, i’ll have to scroll up to find it, just remeber it was last night
bri..whew…was hoping I didn’t have one too many beer and shoot my mouth off…LOL…who was that rude?
CA – ontario is nice! I’ve only been to Toronto once but it was a lot like Chicago, clean and pretty downtown, diversity, culture, the lake etc. Just no south side slums!
beans…god works in mysterious ways…having c be so rude to tim and having m insult paddy bear after what he did for her…(and I can see her doing it too)…gave paddy bear the drive to maybe be enough help for tim financially and manpower wise to find that baby…neither c or m want that baby found!
In your face ant camp
beans…haven’t lived in T.O. but trust me..I have seen some W5 segments on housing in T.O..cock roach city..i mean the buildings are crawling with them…in cupboards and inside tv’s..fridges…and guns and drugs…every city has them and T.O. is a HUGE city..I would never live there. Glad you got to see the better side.
i scrolled up but can’t remember what time it was, to much to read lol…oh well i’ll get over it
Bri – the only thing I found last night about your dog was at 10:05 when you posted that cat had a pic. Maybe somebody said something another night, but I was confused and I think others were too, didn’t remember it or who it was.
so bri….what time do want hon? Monday the 10th of November?
yep, i’ll go with the 10th monday
bri…pick a time of day!
cecy, i remember commenting on the dog remark, i may have seen it on another blog
I ALSO THINK THE ANTS “ALL” RIPPED THEY BRITCHES AS FAR AS BOTH TIM AND PADDY
I pick November 15 when they will find a small part of the body.
afternoon hmmm 2PM
ARE CONCERENED
guys I am still wondering why everyone is zeroing in on M’s cell ping silence near the airport on the 27th. It doesn’t match the maps I see. And there are other days after June 16th where she has just as much dead time. For one of them she’s up near Lake Lee.
Do you think it’s because LE believes that Caylee was still in the car when she and G had the gas can spat on the 24th. She might have been out of there but it really smelled bad inside the trunk and M did not want G to see. She might also have stashed some of Caylee’s things in there and didn’t want him to see those either. We only have C’s word on what was actually in the car. Maybe the doll was back there at that point and C restored it to the carseat.
West Coast here! I think the search will be so massive that they will find her if she’s there Nov 8, 4:00 EST.
I AM ALSO AFRAID THEY WILL NOT FIND THE BODY INTACT
New Theory for the Baez Team for M’s Defense
There was a female jogger that was killed at Jay Blanchard Park, and her body was found on June 10th. M. was also a jogger who ran at Jay Blanchard Park, as stated in her interview with LE on July 16th. She even stated how her mother did not want her to jog at the park, because she was afraid for M’s safety. The killer/killers of the jogger have not been found to date.
Now M. starts thinking about a alibi, and she makes up a story of how she was jogging on that fateful day and saw the murder take place. The killer/killers recognized her and threatened to kill her and her family if she tells anyone what she saw.
M. fears for her life and the lives of her family, so she doesn’t go to police with the information. To insure that M. doesn’t talk the killer/killers then contact M, and tell her to meet them at Jay Blanchard Park. She and Caylee go to the park, and the killer/killers take Caylee as insurance that M. doesn’t talk to LE.
When M. gets arrested for child neglect. She gets a visitor by the name of Patrick who is a friend of a Mike Walker who went to school with M. He tells M. that he just wanted her to know that she has a friend if she needs anything.
LE checks out this Patrick and finds out Patrick has a police record, and is wanted in another state for a crime. Mike Walker is also a seedy character with a police record.*THIS IS A TRUE FACT*
This visit to M. in jail could have been set up by LV or C. since they called all of M.s friends and let them know that Caylee was missing. LV and C. may have also encouraged Patrick to go visit M. in jail knowing he had a police record. LV, C. and M could all be in on the big scam to blame someone else for Caylee’s murder, like Patrick and Mike Walker.
M. tells BB she is afraid to come forward with any information, because she is scared the killer/killers will murder her family, so she makes up wild stories for LE.
Now the defense buys into this M’s story, and that becomes their defense. The killer/killers of the female jogger were the ones who killed Caylee and set M. up.
Of course this is not what I feel really happened. I believe M. murdered Caylee all by herself.
OK..so far…we have
val Saturday November 8 at 4pm
caylee angel – Sunday Nove 9 at 1:12pm
mamabear – Saturday November 8 at 12;00pm
Bri – Monday november 10th at 2pm
Snook – Saturday Nove 15 at “no time posted”
Does anyone know if the search will be carried out in more then one spot..ie – beans post about Lake Lee???
Hi Girlfriend
I think M had Caylee out of the car pretty quick. The decomp evidence is “early” – like for the first few days.
And I agree that she might have been doing this in stages or “pieces” but I don’t know. I think she wanted to get rid of everything as quickly as she could because she wanted to “erase” the whole thing and get on with the story she was building in her head about always having been a single chick.
Amy and Jesse both said things about her tending to believe her own lies. What’s that old saying “a neurotic builds castles in the sky, the psychotic moves in”?
M did have a self-admitted attraction to horror movies, but I tend to think she wrapped her up like a piece of garbage and disposed of her quickly so she wouldn’t have to be reminded about her deed. I don’t think she would have cut her up. Don’t really need to with gators and swamps and raccoons all over.
HMMMMMM CAT—–INTERESTING
hi catherine girlfriend…how are you doing today
Paddy getting her out of jail did hurt the case but only for the defense IMO.
It really made M an even more despised person in public opinion.
Besides , maybe it did help the prosecution. We donot know what Mr. Dick or that female security person disclosed to LE.
I donot think M would have cracked if she would have been kept in jail all that time.
Great! And how are you doing?
Regarding possibly figuring out a new game,several people have remembered when LE was questioning M and asking her why she would drag them to Universal and lie abot everything.
They asked her how that would help find Caylee.
She said” well it will help in a backwards sort of way” Lets try to reconstruct her statements backwards and see if there is a clue in there somewhere. I think M enjoys playing games thinking she is more clever than LE. It would be interesting to see what all of you might think she was leading to information wise.
Also the lady Paddy had watching M on her first release apparently has been questioned by LE and Padddy said that M told her a lot of things but Paddy has not asked. I am wondering, what is that woman’s name and is she on the witness list?
going good here, we have a beautiful sunny day
Florida is sunny and warm.
Cat – oh shit. that makes such great sense. And it would fit BB making it a big dramatic secret they can’t talk about right now. When they find that little girl they will just say these guys did it and she couldn’t say anything or her entire family would be killed.
doesn’t jive with all the crap M spewed in jail though, getting mad at her family and accusing them of only being concerned for Caylee. Also doesn’t explain why she wasn’t too worried to party and steal money like its 1999. But I’ll bet BB was working on that one all the time she spent in his office.
She was just a regular little undercover agent pretending to party and smoke week while she was really tracking down the killers! What a brave little thing!
i want to know that too, why is the lady bounty hunter not talking ?
I will take Wednesday Nov 12, around 3:00. But it might take some time before it is positiviely identified. They will find Caylee. I beleive she will be together and I think in or near water like really close in the area right near a pond or waterway. not just in the woods.
GOOD IDEA:
salukisighthound said,in October 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Cecy,
It’s just a theory that she told to BB as a defense.
Also ties in with G.’s statement about “we know who the kidnappers are, and we are watching them”
cecybeans said,in October 26th, 2008 at 2:27 pm CA – wish I could pick an optimistic date. I have a feeling it will be at least a week or two. They have a lot of ground to cover. I’ll say something like November 14
DATS MUH BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
M, being an alleged sociopath, could not care less if her family is murdered.
She only cares about her own survival and will behave accordingly. Sorry BB.
What if Blanchard park is where M was hanging out with Caylee, female jogger saw her hurt Caylee so M killed her. One murder two murders not that different really. Maybe that is the unidentified Hair on shovel?
snookers – yeah, she couldn’t stop running her mouth to all of those bail people. she was revelling in her star status.
saluki – i think that female was cooperating with the FBI. Maybe LE has been leaking some of the things they have, though not all, and the FBI has kept pretty quiet about their own investigations, other than the forensic stuff getting out. And Paddy may want to keep quiet about what he knows if it’s gonna be testimony at trial.
for all the folks I haven’t formally said hi to – a big Hi from me! It was sunny earlier, but now cloudy and windy. It’s blowing all of the beautiful red, yellow and orange leaves right off the trees.
c4c, that’s a frightening thought
HM C4C. GOOD IDEA THERE
snookers,
I agree with you.
M. is trying to pin this on somebody. Why not the killer/killers of the jogger?
Caylee~angel yer silly cus you made your handle your email…ahahaha thats qute…so anyways did you see that WITNESS LIST I think that that list is LE’s ace in the hole…those ppl’s testimony are gonna damn her…no one even knew Caylee was “missing” the tattoo guy is a witness…so whatever she talkd to him about is going to come out…I think that the witness’s are goin to have alot to do with the jUries decision….whatever those witnesses say about her actions and demeanor during the time Caylee was “missing” is going to weigh heavy on the jury….actions speak louder than words..
Of course thats gonna be her defense shes gonna say that the LE took so long accusing her of Caylees disapearance that the “kidnappers” killed Caylee shes an idiot!!
CFC, Another ineresting theory. Very Good CFC!
concernedforcaylee said,in October 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pm What if Blanchard park is where M was hanging out with Caylee, female jogger saw her hurt Caylee so M killed her. One murder two murders not that different really. Maybe that is the unidentified Hair on shovel?
Who is this female jogger???? Shes some dead broad….
Cat – i know it’s just a theory but it’s a riot and it would certainly explain all the high drama secrecy. And it’s way better than the stupid Zani story which was a bust from day two.
I remember the Blanchard Park stuff and -was it Jesse who said her mom didn’t want her to jog there – is that anywhere near Lake Lee?
I’ll be surprised if Rusciano isn’t up to his neck in her new alibi. He lived near there too didn’t he?
LE could have gotten a sworn statement from the lady bounty hunter and will use it as additional evidence.
Hey my kids are missing you wanna go grab a Amy Winehouse cd and smoke sum crak????
IS THAT LADY WHO WATCHED M WHEN PADDY THERE ON THE LIST:
Bump0naPickle said,
in October 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Witness List Released In Casey Anthony Case
cat..would you like to pick a date AND time for baby recovery?
Snookers whats u0p??
Thanks… probably far fetched but I do remember M mentioning the jogger being killed in her tape. and that Caylee loved that park to walk around the lake I think she said. It was a favorite spot of hers. Now I didn’t realize the date of jogger was only June10, jus a ew days before Caylee disappeared and originally she said Caylee disappeared around June 9th maybe she mixed up dates of victims
I would think M looked for a natural ditch or hole to save the time and effort of digging. She covered her with dirt and branches, not realizing that rain/erosion and animals would cause her to resurface. That’s my hunch, anyway
Cecy,
Jay Blanchard Park was brought up when Le was interviewing M. on July 16th, and again when M. said she went to look for Caylee on June 16th.
CA.
Sure, let me think a minute.
when was the female jogger killed? it was way before Caylee was missing wasn’t it? so you’re saying she was abusing her daughter when she was much young, the jogger saw it and Caylee killed her? then later she came back and did Caylee in there herself? wow!
if the shovel is the neighbors’ they may have already asked for hair samples from them to eliminate it being anyone else’s but their family.
brb in a few minutes
Bri, What date did you pick?
BOP – natal day on 11-14 – well, if i’m right I hope it would seem like a birthday present and not a huge bummer!
K, where starting to get busy here…anyone NOT on the list that wants to choose a date that LE and paddy bear finds baby?
what was date of jogger I thought someone said June 10 2008
oops…ok cat
The jogger was a 26 year old female that was found on June 10th. I don’t know when she was killed? I know the case is unsolved.
catherine, i picked the 10th at 2PM
Bump
Huh uOp?
of 2008 right. not that much before Caylee disappeared. bbl
cat..bri picked Monday november 10th 2:00pm
CA
Are we just picking the date? Or date and time?
witness list is not cast in stone.
date and time
CA,
OK, I’ll take any day, but my pick is November 9th at 6:00 P:M:
Well the more popular dates will have to have times..if someone else is same day as yours…so far mama and val on the 8th..so time needed…
nobody else on same day so time not so important yet unless someone picks same date as another.
Cat – I remember the Jay Blanchard thing being part of her second story – where Zani and her sister Samantha kidnapped her and put her in the car, but i was unclear as to when she came up with that – thanx for clearing up that date.
I think Jesse also mentioned it in his story – which shows that if C was concerned that M was jogging there, they were in pretty close contact the week before it happened.
M might have used June 9 as the date to make it look like it happened before the girl was killed, but she also might have gotten that date from C, who first was screaming it was 31 days and then said she hadn’t seen Caylee since June 9 (wasn’t that near her own birthday?)
Wow – the coincidence of those dates are really creepy! I think it’s the best story anyone has proposed so far to throw the light off M. And all they have to come up with is a “reasonable” doubt it wasn’t her but could be someone else. Yuk!
SO SNOOK U SAYING THERE COULD BE MORE ON THAT LIST THEY ARE NOT TELLING?
cat..got it…same day as me Suanday November 9th at 1:12pm and yours 6:00pm…
she also mixes that up later with chloroform recipe searches. That put a much more nefarious light on things. Best case scenario she was drugging her daughter to party without a babysitter – worst case scenario she was planning on a more permanent state of unconsciousness. Either one is assault of a child.
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Yes, and her subsequent behavior means a good argument for a maxed out sentence. Florida enacted “The Criminal Punishment Code” in 1999. No more maximum recommended sentences depending on prior record, each offense can get the maximum under the statute the first time charged.
Well, remember what C. said “when the truth comes out my daughter will get a medal for what she has done to protect her family”
All ties in with the jogger theory.
Mamabear,
Not even a trial date yet. Both defense and prosecution could add/drop names from witness list.
Besides witness list came out way before indictment for murder one. Could be witness list for child neglect case that is now dropped.
mama – sorry so late to your question. I don’t know the name of the bail bond female and if she’s on the list.
There’s a Danielle Lucey from Austin that doesn’t have an affiliation next to her name. I haven’t heard of her so far in this, but somebody else might know who she is. And Cat is right, they could just use a deposition, although I think she’d be much more fun to hear in person! What a load of dirt she could dump on the whole family!
CA,
Cheers to November 9th.
Cat..ya when it all comes out…question on that bullcrap-ola still remains…what are they waiting for?
Cat…LE and Paddy bear are gonna rock our world on Sunday November 9th…cheers to Caylee!
THANKS SNOOK AND BEANS
CA,
I don’t know, but no one is asking for a speedy trial. What’s up with that?
SNOOKS N BEANS…THAT SOUNDS YUMMY!
CA-AND OUR LIL TIM
Pop the champagne bottles!
LOL CA
brb phone ringing
The date TIM AND PADDY find the body or part of body or clothing related to the body will be Nov 11 3pm. Paddy knows quite a bit of information that he has not released.I do think too that Paddy is working closely with the FBI. He mentioned that someone from the FBI is also in on the search. All of you are totally correct in stating that C made a huge mistake in insulting Tim and Paddy, not realizing that they are the type of people that have no wish to allow this travesty and web of lies to continue.
hi everyone,cant stay but ca can u put me for november 14 at 3.30,feel a bit strange thinking of a day/time for finding caylee but she needs to be found,and so we can say goodbye.
thanks ca for ur post to me lastnite from another blogger that caylee is with angels and realy happy,it realy helped.
Peach,
Does it really matter if she wanted an either temporay or permanent state of unconsciousness using a deadly weapon(chloroform).
Like shooting a person(dead) and than saying just trying to create an innocent , non life threathening little hole?
Cat maybe they are waiting for the body so they can build their case even further. I think time is on their side at this point.
Also, Jan suggested we could use her last review for Young and Restless if this got full – and it sorta is.
if we want to meet there it’s
http://www.bloggernews.net/118305
Minnie..I will hold on to that post forever …every time I think of caylee…cause anything else just hurts too much…ie – that damn physic who said all those things as if caylee was the one talking…it killed me to listen to that…I couldn’t stand it.
Ok…got ya down girlie…Nov.14 @ 3:30pm
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SAME DAY AS BUMP…NOW BUMP YOU NEED TO PICK A TIME OF DAY ON NOV. 14TH
minnie – hi! what time is it in Ireland? I never remember the difference.
I also have 11-14, so I’ll take the morning shift.
CA – make my for 12:00 noon on 11-14.
beans…thought i saw you wanted 14th wasn’t sure…GOT IT! high noon on the 14 of November.
CA – bump was just commenting that the day I took – 11-14 – was her birthday. Since minnie also took the day, I need a time, so I’ll take noon.
only 4 of us out of 10 think the weekend will bring us our baby…interesting…
sorry CA – SPP – Simultaneous Posting Phenomenon!
CA -DID U GET THIS ONE DOWN?
salukisighthound said,in October 26th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
beans…got it…EVERYONE..PLEASE REMIND BUMP SHE NEEDS TO PIC A TIME ON NOVEMBER 14TH..WE HAVE THREE POSTERS FOR THAT DAY!
CA – i wasn’t looking a calendar, just going by “feel” – that might make less sense
gotta log off for a while, see you gals later
thankyou ca,and im same day as my half irish buddy bumps!!! that is a sign…
its good to drop in here and know that someone is here feeling the same for this little girl,and i hope caylee is as loved wherever she is as all here loves her.
can we go to http://www.bloggernews.net/118305
this is getting hard to load!
BYE BRI………
MAMA…yes and no…got the time and date for saluk but went off talking about the fact that this is the first poster that specified parts or clothing to the body will be found to my hubby who has same opinion …a part of the body…and I forgot to put the name…
THANKS MAMA BEAR…DONE!
minnie – little girls like Caylee and Maddy are loved the world over I think. the innocent look in their eyes melts our hearts and reminds us how precious children are.
minnie bumps and beans…SOUND YUMMY TOO…LMAO
ALL ON SAME DAY NOVEMBER 14
SAL – Got ya down!
hi cecybeans,its nearly 9 at night here,our time went back lastnight an hour so were in wintertime and in real winter weather,im jealous of all yous taking of sunshine and beaches!!!!
hey minnie – not me. i live in Chicago – windy, rainy and in the forties. Fall has definitely fell!
so you are either 4-5-6 or seven hours ahead of most of us!
thans ca,cecybeans,im glad that you all know of little maddy mcann,her parents have went everywhere to spread her picture,have turned over all stones they find to take her home,and unlike our caylee i beleive maddy is alive,thats why i dont understand the anthonys,
why arent they doing the same?
it is only visiters to america like myself who have told of little caylee,to lookout just incase someone had taken her,not her family.
cecysbeans,my daughter has me tortured to go to your city,her idol kanye west according to her lives there..god love her i think she thinks its like were we live and sure we can rap on his door for a cup of tea!!!
sorry if im sidetrackin.
thats why with different times i cant always be on with you guys but im always catching up when your all sleepin…
Is the lake at Blanchard Park called Lake Underhill? Because M’s friend Christine and her kids as well as M and Caylee used to go there and M said Caylee loved running around the lake. And Christine said that they’d all gone with the kids either the 12th, 13th or 14th of June.
I always wondered if LE checked Lake Underhill or not for little Caylee.
The forensic evidence report states that the decomposition chemicals are of about 2 1/2 days into initial stage of human decomposition.
That has me really puzzled. Did she have Caylee in the trunk only from 6/16 till about 6/18. What happened after that. Did she purchase/got somehow a hermetically sealed container?. Why did George not smell anything when the trunk was opened at 6/24.
Or was Caylee alive till later than 6/16?
Somebody help me pls.
That’s a key question, Snookers: “Why did George not smell anything when the trunk was opened at 6/24?” Maybe he wasn’t close enough. She ran ahead of him and got the gas cans and threw them at him. At least that’s his story.
But it also begs the question – where was Caylee from June 16 to whenever she died if she didn’t die on June 16? No one saw her from then on. So that’s one of the reasons we think she died on the 16th.
hi twocents,snookers,
could she of killed caylee and hid her body in ants backyard,then came back when ants at work?
the dogs hit on two spots in yard and i beleive that caylee was hid there at some point
so what was the last date ANY of her friends saw the baby?
minnie…I don’t get the two places in the yard…the body would have had to be deceased for hours to have dogs hit on those spots…why two spots?…why move her from one spot to another?
the only explanation in my mind for the two hits is that baby was NOT killed in yard…decomposed in car for a few days and she did try to hide body in yard cause of smell…(sorry to be gruesome) but maybe dripping body fluids was what made the two hits..but only one hiding spot until she could figure out where she would eventually bury her?????
what is the date thing about?
pammy…just trying to find out when the last “friend” saw baby alive….we know c and g last saw her on the 16th…cause someone said the report had the lab tests show body in about day 2.5 on decomp. guess some of us still aren’t clear on what day she killed baby.
hi guys – sorry I’m still looking at ping charts.
the neighbor saw her back into the garage 3x that week supposedly.
If she did it onthe 16th and put her in the backyard, she may have come to get her on the 18th and had her in the trunk -hence the 2.5 day decomp rate in tests.
some people are interested in her whereabouts on the 18th – 19th to see if she stashed her body up north at one of the parks or lake. I know there were pings in that area – near Rusciano’s apt. on one afternoon and also some phone dead space, but I can’t remember and am looking to see.
I think if she got rid of body evidence before G saw the trunk, it does not mean she got rid of smell or other incriminating tools.
I am sorry but what date did the cadavers hit on in the backyard?
heres a good one…how long will cadaver fluid be picked up by cadaver dogs…???
minnie – i hope you can visit someday! it’s really a nice place. That’s funny about your son and Kanye.
My daughter was a big Smashing Pumpkins fan and Billy Corrigan had an apt in Roscoe Village in Chi. Every time I needed to go downtown for business she’d ask to come along – like she’d ever get a glimpse or something. LMAO!
beans…read my post on 4:36pm…
if she killed baby and hid her in the yard on the 16, borrowed shovel on the 18th..baby is decomposing…carrying her out of the yard might have produced the fluid leaking onto second spot in the yard…which cadavers hit on…
The only thing is here..she would not have buried her yet…for the smell to be that putrid when they got the car back…baby had to be in trunk long time before she did away with her…don’t get the 2.5 days decomp. though the timeline between june 16 adn the day the car was towed? doesn’t make sense …seems to me baby was in car way more then 2 days to have such a smell…I AM CONFUSED…TOO MUCH TIME IN THE TIME LINE…AND THE SMELL …
sorry thats what i, meant i thought that dogs hit on two areas in yard,i dont mean that she hide body twice,then caylee was only in car trunk for shortime to wherever m has placed her.
when were the dogs brought into the yard?
minnie..yes i know there were two different hits on the yard…i am trying to understand how it would be possible for two spots to be hit on…ie..moving the body after decomp. set’s in and leaking body fluid…makes the second hit as she tries to remove baby from yard to car
MAYBE SHE HAD BODY IN BIG ICE CHEST. IF SHE DID THEN MAYBE SHE BURIED THE ICE CHEST WITH BABY IN IT. COULD KEEP ICE CHEST IN TRUNK LONGER THAT WAY
MAYBE BABY DIED——WAS IN TRUNK——-THEN MOVED TO BACKYARD WHILE SHE GOT ICE CHEST
CA – maybe not. if she killed on the 16th and buried her in the yard, then came back on the 18th and put her in the trunk, that would be consistent with the 2.5 day timeline for decomp (not sure if that was from air samples or fluid). Body might not have had much fluid yet.
Even if body is then removed right after that, the fluids might start to smell at a later time and would get worse as time goes on, but would still retain the time of death signature.
I don’t know – now we need a Kobe!
I could just choke her myself…so many diff. ways and reasons and places and manner of death…we are running in circles…just give me 10 minutes with her…my luck that lying biotch tramp would still not talk…would prob. rather die to keep her control…ugh!
BBL
beans..ok…never thought of just the fluid getting worse over time with the heat without a body. So I asked this question earlier…
if there are pings in the north at lake lee…(little bit of truth to remember where she put the baby…lee the brother)…Is ES splitting up the search or are they focussing only on the pings near airport? Prob. only one section at a time cause of command post…they might move on to rhe north if they don’t find her near airport…
Lee lake sounds like…HEY…remember when M told Lee on the phone from the jail….”SHE IS CLOSE”..could close mean “LEE” LAKE>>> I feel LEE knows little sis’s dirty secrets….
k mama…lu
Mama – oh god an ice chest! that’s an idea. makes sense. if C and G had one in the garage from their trip to the beach that would have worked. She could have put it back later during the same week the neighbor saw her backing in and out of the garage.
here’s another one – some people are speculating that she may have been using Amy H’s storage unit for awhile. She asked M to get into it for her on the 25th. Amy hardly saw M at all during this time.
m saying she is close..in code with lee on the jail phone..means…yes I put her near lee lake….cause lee didn’t seem to know where baby was..(this is in thinking lee knows baby is dead and m had a hand in it)…
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hope LE was watching closely all ant fam members movements early on….lee could have wanted to know where baby was so he could make sure she was disposed of properly….lee would know what she meant..(code) where m meant cause they have already talked about it…
I don’t know how much sense I am or am not making..just brainstorming…off my head…without fact or dates in mind
I always jump on right when mama’s jumpin off! i have bad timing!
I think Lake Lee is also close to those parks but not sure. okay, Orlando gals, time to get on and give us a geography lesson!
minnie – if you go to websleuths.com – choose All Forums and scroll down until you get to the Caylee section – one of the choices is Sticky Links which has all links to downloadable transcripts, interviews, cellphone maps,etc. It’s quite the education I must say!
cecybeans @ 4.55 THATS what i meant and the florida heat would make the decomp smell real bad in short space of time?
CA – I couldn’t agree more about the Ant in general and LV in specific.
He went into total overdrive on the night of the 15th when M was picked up and the car was in the garage. Calling all her friends, picking up her computer, total clean sweep mode. He was emailing LE for days with results on little personal investigations. I think he wanted to look as cooperative as possible so they’d keep him in the loop. but I still think he knows. I just wonder if he ever visited M at BB’s cuz that would be client privilege.
thanks cecybeans,im going go check that out there is soo much info i cant keep up!!!
need to get all facts in paper beside me.
im going off now,goodnite all,thankyou for answering all my silly queries.
caylee,goodnite sweetdreams,we all love you.xxx
minnie – yeah – I agree. and it being in close quarters with no breeze, it would get pretty concentrated over time I imagine.
OH SHIT! It is actually SNOWING here! Big fat flakes that are not sticking cuz it’s in the forties, but it must be cold higher up cuz there ARE FLAKES coming down!!! I’m sorry it is WAY too early for that noise. specially after the last one we had!
night night minnie girl…xo
bye minnie – thanks for your company today! It’s always good to hear you – happy sleuthing!
night beans.. have a good one…see you all tomorrow
Are you sayin she may of kept Caylees corpse in Amy’s storage unit…cus if so thats like way doubtful… cus its to risky…I think besides the car and the back yard Caylee was in the woods…Monster likes the woods…almost like she kno’ em well…Did Monster buy and ice chest??? Isnt it sick she toted Caylee’s dead body around here and there till the final dump cus she got put on house arrest….its disgusting!! I could never imagine handling a let alone my own dead child here and there like it was a cell phone or a stuffie she is real sick in the head…cold heartd she wasnt effectd by the fact that her child is rotting more and more and shes cool with ughhh im gonna ralph!!
caylee~angel: The last “objective” sighting of Caylee will come from the people at the assisted living place where C’s father is. Someone from that place is listed as a witness probably to state that the child was there on June 15, Father’s Day. There is also the video of that (baby with great grandpa cuddling)and I believe it has been proven to have been taped on June 15. Other than that all we have is G who says he saw M with Caylee the next day (June 16). Caylee was never seen again.
As far as two hits of decomp in the back yard – if M buried her there, that’s where the decomp would start. Then after 2 days or so she may have gone to move her – so decompe would be in the first burial place and the second could be from laying the body down on the ground in another place during the process.
snookers said,in October 26th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I think she kept Caylee out in the woods…
I think she was hoping a wild animal would ravage her remains then the hurricane scatter the rest or she burned her and buried I for one have always favord that one..I think she dug a hole dumped Caylees corpse in it and burned it then threw the hole dirt back on top and buried it!!! I dont kno how well of a job 50$ worth of gas would do I dont care…It prolly did enuff for her to bury it down deep…
L8TRS party on!!!
Maybe the stench in the car was from both decomp and added chlorform. The forensic report said something about only a human could add that much chloroform in that pure a form to the trunk or something in the trunk. So maybe it was a combination.
Also – excuse this is gross – if body fluids leaked on to the trunk carpet and stayed there for a while then maybe that is what stank even after body was removed.
my 2 cents good point. Just because the smell continued doesn’t mean that the body was there. I would imagine if there was any chemical liquid left it too would carry the odor. obviously since there was no body from at least 30 to 15th and it still smelled horrible.
guys – this is interesting.
ping charts for June 17 (and remember, neighbor says when she borrowed shovel could have been either 17th or 18th) – show her near Ant home from about 2:30 pm until 4:36 pm.
Then there are “missing hours” that start with ping up in Lake Lee area (also close to Rusciano’s). Missing hours go from 4:36-5:23 pm until 8:23-9:37 pm where they pick back up at Tony’s apt. so at least 4 hours.
I don’t see her up in that area other days. so that may be where she hid body. Across from Lake Lee is huge wooded area.
Also, all of the stuff later near the airport may have been disposing of other evidence or could have been moving body and then burning with gas (although I think she was stealing gas from dad for car – she couldn’t buy gas with her mom’s JCPenny or Sears card). Who knows?
k so LE is def. searching near the airport…does anyone know if they are interested in this lake lee area? Today is the first time I have heard of it.
Lake Lee is in Leesburg, which is about an hour away from the Ant’s house. Are you sure of the name of the lake?
cecybeans said,in October 26th, 2008 at 6:19 pm ************
Then there are “missing hours” that start with ping up in Lake Lee area (also close to Rusciano’s). Missing hours go from 4:36-5:23 pm until 8:23-9:37 pm where they pick back up at Tony’s apt. so at least 4 hours.
cecybens said:
I don’t see her up in that area other days. so that may be where she hid body. Across from Lake Lee is huge wooded area.
Dan from Simpsonville –
That was a great post. I really think you’ve got something with your Zenida theory.
Most of the men, including her brother have admitted that Casey has always created a new scenario in her mind when she can’t handle the truth.
Maybe she IS Zenida and maybe she was able to spend her friends money so easily was because while she was driving her friends car she thought she WAS her too.
That doesn’t mean I think shes crazy as in insanity plea. I just mean she’s great at blocking things she thinks are unpleasant…..like killing the daughter that got in the way of her party lifestyle.
Maybe she was a good mom before she met a guy she didn’t want to lose. That seems to happen a lot. Husbands, wifes, girlfriends and boyfriends come and go, but your kids are with you forever.
sorry missed the date in there….JUNE 17 for the previous 2 posts from beans…
running very slow
hello to all of you sweet gals! thinking so much of Caylee today and realizing that my love for my nieces and nephew is so strong it almost overtakes me…I would do anything humanly possible to find my child. This poor excuse for a parent had no intention of finding her daughter because she knew her daughter was dead. Period, end.
I am addicted to show like Forensic Files, and Cold Case, etc…it is my belief and I have complete faith, that in this day and age there will be enough strong evidence in this case for the prosecutors to convince a Jury. So many cases involving the death of a child go in this direction. Nobody can be 100% objective when it comes to a child. This is not a woman who made any attempt at all to be honest with the police or detectives. Clearly she has had plenty to hide from the get go.
I hope you all have a nice sunday evening~
PS, it’s okay if you all want to call me ‘ass’, short for assuming. I won’t be insulted! LOL!
Cat – sorry – I’ve been engrossed in ping files.
there is a small Lake Lee near directly north where Rusciano’s apt. is located. It’s across from a wooded area that looks like it runs N/NE from where Jay Blanchard Park is. Looks like it’s on the southwestern end of UCF campus.
hi every one.
whats new in here today?
Okay all you guys… skip over this comment and look the other way because this is personal comment to snookers. Don’t worry… it’s all good!
snookers said, Sitting here laughing about that crazy,crazy English (or rather American) language. I was not born here , neither did I grow up in the USA. But in The Netherlands till I was 25. Have been quite some years in the USA though but still get caught in the incorrect usage of the language. A Polak is a male person from Poland. Polka is a female person from Poland. How it ever became derogatory in English is beyond me. still like to give him a nick name as other characters on the M team. Would “meathead” suffice?
snooker, no hard feelings! My mother was born in Poland and didn’t mind being called a Pollack at all! Neither do I… it was the word “Dumb” in front of it that upset me at the time. I think “Meathead” is a WONDERFUL name for Dr.Kobilinsky because I feel the same way about him as you do. So, meathead it is! Have a great night! 🙂
I’m in a hurry because I have things to do, so I’ll see you on the blog another time!
I wonder if the Ants are having another vigil tonight at “The Church of Unknown Location?”
Haven’t seen anything in the news about it but it might not be considered newsworthy anymore.
I sure do wonder what the heck M talked about for three hours the other day with the visiting minister. She probably hasn’t had anyone to talk to in so long – and we all know she likes to talk – so he probably couldn’t get a word in. I also wonder if someone sent him in to try to talk her into telling the truth.
More likely they wanted someone to help her to be strong under adversity. After all she is the victim here remember. BB wouldn’t want her to confess yet. They would want to drag this out for the press. she confesses now and it all goes away. Maybe they are “preparing her for the worst” The evil men did kill her daughter.
I wonder if defense attorneys really do dream up alternate theories of the crime and if so how do they make it “fit” the evidence?
For example earlier someone theorized that BB could say M witnessed a crime (murder of a jogger) and the murderer made M stay silent by taking Caylee. Just an example of a story that MIGHT be “compelling” enough for us to “understand” whatever she’s done or didn’t do. And it must be tricky to try to get an alternate theory like that across to the jury especially when the accused isn’t going to take the stand.
And it would be even trickier for the prosecution to try to refute it. I mean how would they find someone to refute it?
I suppose a cop could say in his experience with crime the murderer of the jogger would more likely kill the witness(M) and either kill the child too or let the child go.
That’s right, CFC! (LOL!) I sure hope that minister wore his chastity belt. I think M’s idea of someone to “help her to be strong under adversity” is more like Tony L (or any old guy) on a conjugal visit. EEK! That’s a horrible thought. You know how crazy women marry men who are in prison and whom they’ve never met? Does that happen to women in prison too? Yikes and ugh! I’m sure there’s some horrible guy out there who’d do it and I bet M would consider it too – depending what he looked like (and possibly how much money he has just in case she ever gets out again).
Oh and wonder if the minister carried any “messages” from family members? (Like in a code he wouldn’t even know?)
Anyone still in here chatting? If not I will check back later…
hi Kris everyone has been worried about you.
I’ve had another bad weekend…the usual again.
what is your time line for an alternate situation. I know you have talked about order of things. How long is it going to take you. If you don’t mind my asking.
Is it me or is this blog posting slowly? Maybe it’s getting full.
I go tommorrow to beg doctor #2 to do something soon (hopefully this week if he takes pity), doctor #1 doesn’t see me until the 4th of Nov. So one step at a time I hold out for.
We will pray doc number 2 gets the point.
Gonna do a little self surgery tonight because I have to to remain sane. Once the painkiller kicks in…Don’t like to but I have to.
I am really hoping and praying for when Tim comes back that given the number of people they will find Caylee right away. It will give me something to hope for, for now.
if you guys wanna move 116867 only has 54 posts
Sure I’m for going..this one’s posting very slow.
WE ARE MOVING TO ARTICLE # 116867
Title: Could Tip of Caylee Anthony Seen Boarding Plane Be Real?
Date of Article: July 23
just go to bloggernews.net add a backward slash
/ and the article number 116867 then click Enter
The defense best not just “dream up” something; a weak explanation can be worse than none. (How does one move to 116867?)
go to home on key board. then lok down the page and click on calendar for month you want. find the story title that they mention above then click on that.
Dear Heavenly Father, We come to you tonight to ask for your help in staying strong in the fight for justice for Caylee. We need your strnegth Father because every day that goes by without an answer leaves us doubting and afraid. We need your help Lord so that our Faith will stay strong, because the world around us seems so full of evil. We ask that you help watch over all the children in the world Lord, to protect them from harm and keep them safe, we also ask that you watch over all The kids that are lost, hurting and scared Lord. that you give them the strength to get through the tough times. We also pray for strength for their family and friends, so that they don’t give up hope. Help each one of us work through our own pain that we feel about what has happened to Caylee. Give us each the strength to continue the fight for Caylee. She can’t speak for herself Lord so remind us that we can all speak for her and all the other children in our lives. Guide us through our pain and help us to realize that we can make a difference one child at a time. Above all Lord help everyone of us in the coming days to stay the course so that we can bring Caylee hope and justice will be served. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN.
Very well written…but while I’m quite convinced of her guilt, let’s not forget we live in the U.S.A., even the worst at least get a fair trial…not stoning in the streets. That’s what separates us from the beasts after all.
I pray everyday someone will either find Caylee or her mom will start talking some truth. Just that there can be some resolution.
anon – With all due respect, what separates us from the beasts is that we don’t necessarily act on our desires and whims. We have the ability to think, analyze, ponder, speculate, without acting on opinions, thoughts, or even raw emotional feelings.
No one here is suggesting anyone not receive a fair trial in a court of law. You’ll read of no plans here to drive to Florida to break someone out of jail and administer justice on the streets of Orlando. (You may, however, occasionally run across fantasies of consequences, administerd within said jail).
Everyone here is exercising his or her right of free speech here in the U.S.A.
To speculate on what happened to an innocent, helpless child who has not been seen in 4 long months is not to “stone in the streets.”
We all join you in your dream of resolution. But more specifically, we want Justice for Caylee.
I am a BEAST!!!! Do not seperate me…I gots a bag of stones and a good aim wheres duh bish??
Oh yah and justice for Caylee that too…
Mornin TEx…welcome Anon
Good morning everyone. I am experiencing Caylee news withdrawal. I just cannot wait until Nov 8 for the search to begin. I did hear though that Padilla is actually arriving on the 5th which leads me to believe that he is working with LE more than we know.
guys we moved to new site last night –
116867 – this one too slow – see ya there!
Dear Heavenly Father we again come to you in prayer about our Beautiful Caylee Marie Anthony. AS each of us struggles to come to grips with what has happened we ask you for Guidance, support and encouragement. Please help us to be strong as each day we wait wanting to know our little Angel has been found and will be laid to rest with all of the diginity, grace and honor that she deserves. Help as we struggle to control our tempers as we watch the people around this case seem to be deceptive and not looking out for Caylee. Give us the wisdom to see beyond rumor, speculation and guesses. Help us to each look at the facts and know that Caylee wants justice and we need to demand it for her. Also help the searchers who are going to look for Caylee to be smart and strong. Smart enough to see the signs and preserve the evidence and strong enough to stay the course and find Caylee. We know this will be no easy task and we want you to guide and comfort each one as they work. There is no greater task than to search for the body of a lost innocent child and the pain to these searchers will be great. Even while we triumph when Caylee is found the tears and pain will be unbearable. Lord we also ask that you help everyone who is struggling with this missing person case or any other. We have all come to know the pain of not knowing. Help us to keep the most innocent among us safe and give us the courage to stand and fight not just for Caylee but for all children. I want to thank you for the chance to join as a group in the common goal we each have and also for your encouragement as we each stand ready to be on the Caylee Marie Anthony Justice Team. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN
ADD TO THE JUSTICE OF THE CAYLEE PUZZLE:
*Zanaida Fernandez Gonzolez supposedly babysat for Caylee for 1-1/2 years, although no one has ever seen her.
*Did anyone ever hear M mention the name ZFG prior to the day that ZFG went to Sawgrass Apts to look at apartment #210?
* Maybe M just went in to the rental office & looked at the sign in book & either took that page, or wrote down the info from ZFG info page.
*M has never shown any emotion that Caylee is missing.
*M did not want G to get near the trunk of her car.
*M looked up on internet “missing children” months before Caylee went missing.
I know I am late on this blog, but i’ve been “late” on board this case, so better late then never. Just some thoughts on this release. The nuances are imperative because the science here is not absolutely nor necessarily conclusive. At the onset, I figured there was too little to go on, and I was mortified that Casey Anthony was charged with First Degree Murder with a possible death sentence. This is certainly tricky in light of the media spin on this case that has the public [including myself] suggesting the possibility of an accomplice. Even the mere thought of it is enough to create some reasonable doubt in this case – which should be diminished right here.
Having said that, I have wondered if the periodic release of information is significant, or a matter of strategy employed by LE. The camp that believes in the “Caylee is alive” rhetoric are far and few between, the rest are united in thought: Casey Anthony Is Guilty. Now what she is guilty of, we do not have the absolute facts to state, just high probabilities and possibilities. With sporadic information, the public maintains some grip on this case, whether firm or not is not entirely important because there are more of us who think she is guilty, including LE. Just as long as we are consistently reminded of the evidence, even if it is not new matter, it matters. The strategy is not to let this case slip through the crack. As long as we are reminded consistently, as long as the searches prove futile, as long as Casey Anthony remains silent – we will as Pavlov’s dogs did, react in the way that we are expected to. Note how the gag order has yet to be imposed. [It is also noteworthy that ‘Caylee Marie Anthony’ does not feature on the FBI Missing Persons’ or Kidnapped list].
Even without much more evidence than has been presented or released, I think there is a high probability that Casey Anthony will be found guilty. The forensic evidence is not nearly as sophisticated or as technical as it was when Marcia Clark introduced it during the OJ Simpson trial. We are a more learned or enlightened society since that trial. The fact that Casey Anthony was successfully charged with a capital crime is indicative of the highly probable outcome of this case.
When all is said and done, Jurors will be hard pressed to answer 1 pertinent question: Why did Casey Marie Anthony wait 31 days to report her missing child?
The absolute fact is, she did not. Faced with the presentation of the “smell of death” in backyard/car, chloroform, mitochondrial hair analysis, unsuccessful calls to CA/GA, rental videos at Blockbuster, washing clothes at ex-lover’s apartment, stealing gas cans, borrowed shovel, manicure, tattoo, pictures of dancing at nightclub, myspace/facebook Invitations to Fusian, abandoned car at Amscott with child-seat, diapers and personal clothing that were washed, maggots and rotting pizza, Cindy Anthony’s 911 calls, George Anthony’s audio interviews, Lee Anthony’s submission of shopping receipts, videos of shopping, banking and theft, Casey Anthony’s voice on the 911 call, audio files of Casey Anthony’s interviews with LE….
A jury would be pressed to declare her innocence.
^hard pressed :>
I think she put the body where you found it at night and got the gas to burn the body and could not find where she put it and spent several days looking for it to burn it and because she couldn’t even find it she figured no one else would be able to eather.
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