At Casey Anthony’s bond hearing Tuesday Judge Stan Strickland set her bond at $500,000 as well as having a GPS device attached in case her family is able to post the bond. When handing down the verdict Strickland said, “I have some problems with the fact that her conduct hasn’t changed. She hasn’t been any help in this investigation a bit.â€
Caylee Anthony was reported missing last week when her mother claims to have dropped her off with a babysitter only to find no one there when she returned to pick her up later on June 9. Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony was arrested July 16Â and charged with child neglect and criminal obstruction for allegedly lying to detectives and her mother thought authorities made a huge mistake by arresting her so quickly.
Casey’s parents and her brother testified in her defense at the hearing. Casey’s attorney was asking for the bond to be set for $10,000 based on the charges she is being held on but the judge refused because of the circumstances surrounding the case.
Casey’s Mother, Cindy Anthony was first to take the witness stand. She started crying when she saw her daughter. It was the first time since she had been arrested. She was asked when the last time she saw her granddaughter was. She stated for a long time she thought it was on June 9 but after she saw a video of Caylee reading a book she realized it was June 15.
She said she thinks she knows why her daughter is not telling authorities the whole truth about Caylee’s disappearance. “I know Casey as a person. I know what she is as a mother,†Cindy said. “I know there is only one or two reasons why Casey would be withholding something about Caylee, and I believe that it’s something someone is holding over her, and threatening her in some way.†Cindy Anthony stated in court yesterday, “I don’t sleep, so I don’t know what day it is. It’s all one day. I am prepared to do anything I can to find Caylee.â€
Next on the stand was Casey’s brother, Lee Alexander Anthony. He testified that he begged his mother not to make the call to the police reporting Caylee missing until he could talk to his sister to get her to confide in him what she knew.. He said before the authorities were called Casey told him and their mother that she knew where Caylee was and would take them to her the next morning. He said the few short moments he had alone with his sister she told him, “I have not seen my daughter in 31 days.â€
Three members of the Anthony family, her mother Cindy, her father George and her brother Lee all agreed on the stand that is Casey were to be released she would be more likely to help assist in the investigation. “We can confide in each other on a level that we don’t feel obligated to share with anybody else,†Lee Anthony said. “We can tell each other things that we wouldn’t feel comfortable telling even the rest of the family.â€
Judge Strickland thinks Casey has an ulterior motive for keeping quiet. “She’s using her silence as leverage to get out of jail.†He said during the hearing. “And if she gets out, who knows anyway.â€
Detective Corp. Yuri Melich of the Orange County Sheriff’s Office said when they searched Casey’s car there was a very bad odor in the car. They say they found what they believe to be traces of Caylee’s hair, saying it appeared to be the length and color of Caylee’s hair and some dirt in the trunk of the car. They said the foul odor was mostly from the trunk but they haven’t been able to determine what it is from. “Briefly, just before I came into the Child Abuse Division I was a homicide detective for two year with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office and in my experience the smell that I smelled in that car was the smell of decomposition,†said Melich. He said they are trying to find out what the source of the odor is. Melich also said, “They also found a stain in the trunk of the car that came under blacklight that is questionable.
Melich said that they have been receiving several tips from witnesses. One was from a hairdresser stating that Caylee had bruises and marks on her as well as a photo from another witness showing Caylee with a cut under one of her eyes. Another witness claims while on the phone with Casey on June 24th or 25th he heard Caylee in the background. He said he recalled during his conversation Casey telling Caylee to get down from the table.
Now this is just my opinion but they keep saying if Casey was released from jail she could help them find her daughter but it seems to me that as a mother she wouldn’t care where she is, she would be helping authorities as much as she can. Why hold back what she might know just because she is in jail. If it could result in finding her daughter, why not tell now and then she can be proven innocent IF that is the case.
Too much of this story just seems too mysterious to me. It seems this family knows much more than what they are telling the public. I just hope it isn’t at little Caylee’s expense. I pray they find her alive and well.
Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackbackwhat a crazy family. they have posted their phone numbers on the “my space” page where caylee is listed as being a 20 something year old.
poor little girl probably never had a chance.
it seems like even the great grand mother is a liar in this family.
she killed her, i feel it..and its just a matter of time before they find the rest of her.
she deserves justice,and to be layed to rest.
i am a mom single mom of 3,but you dont see me killing my kids when i cant handle them.
you ask for help,talk…
casey isnt doing that…
poor kid,i hope they find her dead or alive.
xoxo to sweet caylee !!
If YOU had Caylee, would it not occur to you to make it known and say, Here she is! All safe and sound! AND, as the grandmama and mother, would you not be BEGGING the people she was left with to come forward and bring your little one home … NOW?
Keep this psycho in jail until she’s divulged what she did to or with this baby. We don’t need another Melinda Duckett. Thanks to her suicide we may never know the ending to Trenton’s story. This makes me so ill. I feel that grandmother may be hiding something too and I am sick of her justifying her daughters actions. Cindy, your daughter is sick!! I pray every time I have a thought of Caylee that she’s okay and smiling and playing somewhere and not rotting away in an unsuited grave.
There is something definitely not right with all this family, from what I’ve seen and heard from Casey’s Mother, the grandmother, she seems just as whacked, something just isn’t right with all of them, or at least mother/daughter. Just like blaming old pizza for the smell in the car, I’m sure police officers are familiar enough they can distinguish between the smell of old pizza and that of decomposition, plus those dogs are trained to sniff out this odor, not rotten food. The times I’ve heard the grandmother speak, it’s almost as if she knows something herself. All I know is that, if it were my child and somebody had her, I would have been the first one to call the cops to begin with, and I sure as hell would be cooperating with the police and doing everything in my power to find her, whether I was in jail or not.
my friends and i have come up with the theory that someone was after Casey and/or Caylee maybe over drugs or her just being involved with the wrong people. Casey then killed to protect her child, but even that was not enough and someone else came and kidnapped the child, or Casey sent Caylee away to protect even further. I am praying this is a case of a badass mother who is afraid to tell the truth for fear that someone will hurt Caylee in the end or just out of fear that she will get in serious trouble for murder on whoever was after them. it would be a sound outcome. love and prayers for Caylee, we hope you come home safe. ~Mommy of a 2 year old girl.
I have little doubt that Caylee is dead. The Grandmother won’t answer where Cassie has been living, working or how she paid a babysitter. Caesy is definetly on drugs or something. She probably feels so much guilt. There is no good explanation as to WHY she waited 30 days to say her daughter is missing. PLEASE… Anthony family wake up. I live in Orlando and the brother passed out fliers outside my church last weekend. It really isnt an act. The family is that dumb.
Now we learn after The mother has been on different news programs blaming old pizza..that she herself said in a call to 911 her daughters car smelled like there had been a dead body. What is wrong with these people, someone in that family needs to think of this missing baby and put her first,instead of the mother.
This one will be talked about for a long time. They would crucify any Judge that let this crazy out of jail if anything happened after their doing so. Also, what does this family think, that if casey is let out and finds the daughter everything will be ok and everyone will go home as if nothing ever happened police included, I don’t think so.
Why has no one raised the idea that perhaps Caylee has been spirited away to escape something awful happening to her at the hands of the grandparents? Physical abuse, sexual abuse? Clearly there is a long standing history of some sort of disconnect between the grandmother, Casey, and reality. Just look at their behaviors. Perhaps she is not upset because she knows that Caylee is safe and all she has to do never tell. I am not sure how realistic this scenario is but stranger things have happened…
I cant believe what I am hearing and seeing from this grandmother.. I am the mother of 6 and a grandmother of 7.. and let me tell you this..her saying Casey is withholding information to protect a family member instead of bringing her own little daughter back.. omg.. this is a child.. if anyone of my grandchildren was missing know that all of the family wouldnt care if there was a threat on there life to save this little innocent child..were all adults.. children come first our my world..such a shame grandma.. your bad!!quit making excuses and saying your tired.. were tired also of you defending your daughter who is ill.. your protecting the wrong child..
I think casey killed her own daughter and is not a real woman to step forward and at least give her the burial she deserves. Casey you are a real piece of work i hope whatever you did to Caylee comes back to haunt you for years you evil bitch.
i am glad i am not related to you i would be ashamed to claim you as blood.
loving mother of a 2year old boy.
bless you Caylee i hope you are in safer hands, but i am sure you are even if she did kill you, which i sure hope not.
bless you little girl
It is my professional opinion that Casey Anthony is a sociopath. She is also a narcissist and a pathalogical liar. From the very beginning I did not believe some imaginary babysitter took Caylee, nor that Casey was “Trying to find her daughter.” This case so reminds me of other famous murdering sociopaths: Scott Peterson and Susan Smith. In the Susan Smith case Susan’s new boyfriend told her he: “Did not want to take on someone with kids.” So, Susan plots her childrens murder- a diabolical event in which she, herself, drowns her two little boys in the car. She then contacts the police claiming: “A black man carjacked me and drove off with my two little boys!” (All lies.) In the Scott Peterson case, he was cheating on Laci with Amber Frey (and other women.) Scott made up elaborate lies to Amber such as: “I’m calling you from Paris.” (The police told her that call came from his cellphone in Modesto, his neighborhood.) Scott did not want the responsibility or burden of a wife or son (Connor) and, true sociopath that he is, got rid of them to make way for Amber Frey. Casey Anthony is obsessed with her “New boyfriend Tony” and NEVER mentioned Caylee to him when they lived together. Her jail calls were desperate attempts to “Give me Tony’s phone number.” “Do you have Tony’s number? Can you get it for me?” NEVER a mention of Caylee. Because Caylee is gone.. Caylee was an albatross in her new life with a new boyfriend. Sociopaths look and act like you and me. But the key word here is ACT. Their mental illness makes them genuinely UNABLE to feel any remorse, guilt, empathy or pain for anyone but themselves. They cannot be rehabilitated. I think Casey Anthony and Scott Peterson would make wonderful pen pals from their prospective jail cells.
Dr Ann You certainly hit it on the head. I thought from the start that she was a sociopath and I also think that her mother is a few bricks short of a load
hello cj mytwocents you in here?
LUCY… are you home?
LOL … I wasn’t sure which page to go to since you both posted different numbers.
hey are you guys here this ones fast,
flower and gumshoe and all??
where is cj and the rest of the casey posse
oh there you are got here faster than you guys and i am slower than a snail LOL
WFTV . com News
State Releases New Documents In Casey Anthony Case
POSTED: 11:50 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 12:45 pm EDT September 23, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — The State Attorney’s Office has released nearly 600 of pages of documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie.
The documents, including interviews with family members and other investigative material, are released as part of discovery, which is procedure where the state releases information to defense.
According to the newly-released documents, Lee Anthony said Casey’s mother was immediately worried about Caylee’s wellbeing because of the smell from the car Casey had abandoned that “went over [their] garage like a wave.” Lee also said Casey said her mom constantly reminded her of what an unfit mother she is.
Lee told investigators that his mother, Cindy, had said that Caylee was the best thing that happened and actually the worst thing was that Caylee was actually Casey’s mistake.
Investigators interviewed Casey’s boyfriend, Tony Lazarro, who said sometime after July 5, at least a couple weeks after Caylee disappeared, Casey would wake up sweating and tell him she was having nightmares, but she told him the nightmares were about their relationship.
OFF-DUTY DEPUTIES MAY PROVIDE EXTRA SECURITY
Residents in the Anthony’s neighborhood are seeking some extra help for security. On Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, the county may provide off-duty deputies to patrol the Anthony’s neighborhood off Hopespring Drive. It’s a move to keep protesters out.
The money for the deputies is being provided by a special fund to cut down on crime, meaning taxpayers are funding the security. County commissioners will discuss the issue next week.
DEFENSE TEAM ACQUIRES FORENSIC SCIENTIST
Casey Anthony’s defense team has a new member. Doctor Lawrence Kobilinsky is a forensic scientist and a frequent guest on CNN’s Nancy Grace show. Monday night, Grace asked why attorney Jose Baez needs a forensic scientist since Casey is primarily charged with economic crimes like check fraud and forgery.
“To Mr. Baez I think he as a good defense attorney is entitled to know what the science says. I don’t make things black white, white black but I have to give him the best that science can offer,” said Dr. Kobilinsky.
Eyewitness News received a fax from Baez’s PR firm accusing the Orange County Sheriff’s Office of leaking false and distorted information to the media and suggesting that Caylee may be found sooner if those leaks stopped.
baez is so stupid distorted information and false he needs to look at his star client for that crap
I think if they have now released their evidense to defense, that the prosecutors are ready to proceed with charging her with what they have.
but i guess that is what a defense lawyers do protect the murderer instead of a innocent child
BB is neck deep in her crap.
“Investigators interviewed Casey’s boyfriend, Tony Lazarro, who said sometime after July 5, at least a couple weeks after Caylee disappeared, Casey would wake up sweating and tell him she was having nightmares, but she told him the nightmares were about their relationship.”
really….this is enlightening. Sweating because she was dreaming Caylee’s body had been found?
I’m here but I have to go for a while.
Talk with you a little later!
i am here, thanks for this gunshoe
Gumshoe said,in September 23rd, 2008 at 12:16 pm WFTV . com News
State Releases New Documents In Casey Anthony Case
POSTED: 11:50 am EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 12:45 pm EDT September 23, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — The State Attorney’s Office has released nearly 600 of pages of documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie.
The documents, including interviews with family members and other investigative material, are released as part of discovery, which is procedure where the state releases information to defense.
According to the newly-released documents, Lee Anthony said Casey’s mother was immediately worried about Caylee’s wellbeing because of the smell from the car Casey had abandoned that “went over [their] garage like a wave.” Lee also said Casey said her mom constantly reminded her of what an unfit mother she is.
Lee told investigators that his mother, Cindy, had said that Caylee was the best thing that happened and actually the worst thing was that Caylee was actually Casey’s mistake.
Investigators interviewed Casey’s boyfriend, Tony Lazarro, who said sometime after July 5, at least a couple weeks after Caylee disappeared, Casey would wake up sweating and tell him she was having nightmares, but she told him the nightmares were about their relationship.
OFF-DUTY DEPUTIES MAY PROVIDE EXTRA SECURITY
Residents in the Anthony’s neighborhood are seeking some extra help for security. On Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, the county may provide off-duty deputies to patrol the Anthony’s neighborhood off Hopespring Drive. It’s a move to keep protesters out.
The money for the deputies is being provided by a special fund to cut down on crime, meaning taxpayers are funding the security. County commissioners will discuss the issue next week.
DEFENSE TEAM ACQUIRES FORENSIC SCIENTIST
Casey Anthony’s defense team has a new member. Doctor Lawrence Kobilinsky is a forensic scientist and a frequent guest on CNN’s Nancy Grace show. Monday night, Grace asked why attorney Jose Baez needs a forensic scientist since Casey is primarily charged with economic crimes like check fraud and forgery.
“To Mr. Baez I think he as a good defense attorney is entitled to know what the science says. I don’t make things black white, white black but I have to give him the best that science can offer,” said Dr. Kobilinsky.
Eyewitness News received a fax from Baez’s PR firm accusing the Orange County Sheriff’s Office of leaking false and distorted information to the media and suggesting that Caylee may be found sooner if those leaks stopped.
I can tell you that defense attorney’s pay BIG BUCKS when they hire a forensic scientist expert like Doctor Lawrence Kobilinsky… (Kobi as NG calls him.) NG seems to like him and evidently has worked with him for many years but to me he looks like a worm… A very intelligent worm, it that makes it any better.
Sometimes, they are hired to confuse the jury as was done in the oj case. Sad, but true.
wow look at THIS:
Tony Lazarro, who said sometime after July 5, at least a couple weeks after Caylee disappeared, Casey would wake up sweating and tell him she was having nightmares, but she told him the nightmares were about their relationship.
Whoever said that monster was probably dreaming they found the body was probably right.
Remember, I said that she’s not afraid of anyone, or anything but she is afraid of the truth.
flower, gumshoe and MMT i second these:
flowerchild said,in September 23rd, 2008 at 12:25 pm ‘baez is so stupid distorted information and false he needs to look at his star client for that crap’
Gumshoe said,in September 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm ‘I think if they have now released their evidense to defense, that the prosecutors are ready to proceed with charging her with what they have.’
MMT-“Sometimes, they are hired to confuse the jury as was done in the oj case. Sad, but true.’
and what’s bobo’s ISSUE w OC releasing information??
just more of a smokescreen!
he doesn’t want information release because it is putting his star client deeper in a jail cell or injection, the only reason he wants the dna refuted is to show caseys innocent which we all know shes not
thats a rodge.
baez want to show that all the evidence is wrong,but how can he prove the searches on the pc for chloroform, i guess maybe LE tampered with that to
i will bbl
WHERE IS THE COUNT haven’t seen his face since NG guess he thought it beyond his power to drain the publics minds of the anthony’s tarnish image and make us believe they are angels
Here’s a good article I read:
Anthony is manipulating everyone, including the media. Often the mother is so self absorbed that the only way to get the mother to talk is to make everything about her. If you bring up Caylee, she will shut down. She is not interested. If a chronic liar who feels no remorse knows people need her, she is flush with power. She is punishing investigators, her family, friends, and the public. Not cooperating and staying quiet is a way of ‘getting even’ for perceived wrongs. The truth is, one must look at this from Casey’s perspective. She is free now. She thinks if she talks to police, that freedom could be taken away.”
I’m certainly not going to read 600 pages of documents even if they are all printed on the Internet. I am sure the media will print the most damming pieces of evidence.
Much of it will be the documents already released. However, the interview with Lee saying his mother feared for Caylee’s safety when she smelled the dead body and that she constantly told Caylee she was an unfit mother was news to me. Of course, we know that’s more the truth than Cindy saying Casey was The Mother of the Year and she had confidence her granddaughter is still alive.
new cops show,BADGIRL BADGIRL WHAT YOU GOING DO WHEN LE COMES FOR YOU
Monday Morning Therapist, as usual you are dead on in your analysis of Casey. She loves that she has the secret everyone wants to know: what happened to Caylee. That gives her power. She is never going to tell because it does not benefit her. She would get the death penalty or a life sentence if she told the truth. Now she believes she will walk free.
I hope they charge her with something more than child neglect and interfering with an investigation. Caylee deserves much more than that. She was not just neglected. She was murdered.
MOTHER OF THE YEAR,what a joke, more like LIAR OF THE YEAR
casey might feel like she has the secret where caylee body is,but all secrets are revealed with time and if she feels like she has power, let her feel gods power in the end bet she won’t like it
I hope NG will not have that Kobilinski on anymore till after this case is over..
We definitiely do not need a partial talking head nor do we want to provide a daily platform for a person paid by BB.
Concerned about Caylee, thanks for sharing so much with us. You keep us well informed, like so many others on here.
What LV said about his mom was news to me too. But, in the 911 call, you could hear the terror in C’s voice. When she spoke about her granddaughter being missing and the smell in the car, she, at that time, believed the unthinkable… that something awful happened to Caylee and she may be dead. I don’t think that thought lasted long because once monster got C back in to her manipulative clutches, she made C and everyone else believe her detailed lies. Just as C had always done before.
And you were so right about caylee not just be neglected… she was murdered.
well i have to leave i have to be at work at 2;00 will be back later after work goin to be a long day until 10;00 tonight keep me up to date till i get home, leave a link if you all move BYE
After looking at NG last nite I noticed that Marc Klaas called M a odious creature and Richard Grund(what a likeable fellow) referred to M as monster.
Have also second thoughts about Jesse. Now donot think he is involved.
Apparently he did not have much contact anymore with M after november , 2007.
M did contact many people after 6/16 that she had not called for a while.
Like Jeffrey Hopkins II’s parents and others.. She fully expected that her phone records would be scrutinized and the more names the more confusing to LE who to go after.
I still think she had help with the car dumping and was dropped off by a mystery person on June 27th at the Amscot parking spot.
flowerchild, I LOVED what you did with that Bad Boy, Bad Boy song! PERFECT!
“BADGIRL BADGIRL WHAT YOU GOING DO WHEN LE COMES FOR YOU.”
Many years ago, when my son-in-law graduated from the police academy, they played that Bad Boy song as they showed slides of all the young men and women going through their rigorous training. It was so dramatic and powerful but yet very touching and I actually cried to that song. LOL It still gives me the goose bumps every time I hear it. Something like hearing the Star Spangled Banner for me. Crazy huh?
Please let them get this bad girl, bad girl….
snookers, I love Marc Klaas. NG could have him on there everyday and I would be in heaven. He stands for so much that is right with our country.
I am still in the belief, however, that M “trusts no one” as she said in her myspace poem. I think she felt as if she could get away with this horrible crime if no one ever knew for sure what happened to Caylee. But, I am always open to change my mine if I hear evidence pointing in that direction.
I’m hoping that LE has more about that timeline that we don’t know about. So many of her friends were willing to take the polygraph right away and they all passed it. So, I’m wondering who would be left. I can’t see LV doing that because of the way he spoke to her when she first called from jail. LV said “We will find out what happen, so you may as well tell me.”
I’m so glad that we got to hear those jailhouse tapes because it gave us such an insight to monster’s character. I have four grown kids… two girls and two boys and although they have mouthed off to me during their lifetime… they have NEVER talked to me like she spoke to her family, never! It was so degrading.
Talking mouth from the mysteriously funded PR firm working for BoBo and Monster said “a third party has provided the funds to hire an independent investigative team to chase down leads regarding Caylee’s whereabouts. Black said due to confidentiality agreements, he would not reveal the identities of the members of the investigative team or the location they’re operating out of. He said the team will focus on looking into leads he believes the Sheriff’s office has ignored.” End quote
Me again: I knew they’d accuse the cops of not looking enough for a live child but now that the cops are checking out leads they still do this.
Where is all this money coming from???
Oh, and couldn’t the money that went to pay that PR firm have been used to search for Caylee a long time ago? Ridiculous.
Mytwocents,
Heck the names of two PI’s that BB hired were released a long time ago. Edward Phlegar and Casey Dominic. Back in the middle of August.
I think, I read somewhere that they even traveled to CA long before LE did.. Where did the money come from to pay these dudes.
Every time I hear Casey’s voice on any recordings she always sounds the same. Cindy was hysterical when she called the 911 operator the second time after she found the car with the smell of the dead body in it and learned Casey told Lee Caylee had been missing for a month.
The operator asks to speak to Casey and Cindy puts her on and Casey comes on as if she is giving a weather report. No concern. No emotion. No hysteria.
She is the same way as she speaks to the investigators. Most mothers of missing children would be hysterical, sobbing, and shaking. Just “mmmm” and long detailed lies and alibis.
M just talks like a true sociopath/psychopath.
Like we cannot imagine not showing any distress when a loved one is missing, she cannot imagine why anybody would get upset about another living human being. They are just inanimate objects to her.
Just objects, she uses sometimes at her convenience to get from point A to point B.
When point B is reached , she discard the object like we would discard an empty wrapper..
While Baez and his investigators are on a wild goose chase for the fictional nanny and an alive Caylee, I hope the investigators are still searching for Caylee’s body. I would love to see a murder one charge.
Florida law says they can’t charge a defendant twice on the same case. So if they convict her on child neglect and interfering with an investigation and then find the body two years later they can’t charge her for murder.
I think they’ve got more of a case for murder than child neglect, with or without a body. I predict that before the child neglect trial in November, they will file charges on homicide or murder.
snookers, the quote I put above is from wesh.com today! So I guess BoBo is doing it again – more PR I guess. Maybe they got more money. Do wish we knew where it’s coming from.
I had forgotten that BoBo had hired investigators before. But I do remember that he supposedly hired private investigators last week or so to find out who threw the coins at the house (since by the next morning the cops hadn’t arrested anybody!) He’s such an idiot.
We donot know what her plans for the future were.
It is quite possble she had a plan to get rid of her parents in order to get the house.
Snookers, when I first heard that Caylee had told her friends her parents were signing over the house and she did a computer search on chloroform, my first thought was she was going to chloroform and kill George and Cindy as they slept and then kill Caylee.
Oh, am sure LE has more than they have released.
The maggots in the white plastic bag in trunk(retrieved from wrecker yard next day by LE)) and the flies coming out of the trunk are very important. A bonanza for forensics.There are many different fly species and certain ones will only go after fresh cadavers within minutes of death and that is not overprocessed pizza.
hi everyone,just read ur posts on new documents,does this mean with police releasing these that something is going to happen soon? thanks twocents for websites u gave me to follow case listened to interview tapes and heartbraking to say but m has murdered caylee and i so wish i could be proved wrong and that little caylee was still alive.
Oh, those coins, Just a donation in an unusual way LOL. Ants asked for it on their website.
Sounds like a good defense to me.
I think more of Lee that he told the investigators the truth about Cindy being worried that the smell of a dead body meant something had happened to Caylee and that she had told Casey repeatedly she was an unfit mother.
At least then he wasn’t lying and covering up for his family. He since has united with George and Cindy in saying Casey was the perfect mother and they were the perfect family.
Hi, minnie! I just found two of the newly released documents on myfoxorlando.com
in an article about 600 new pages being released. Within the article near the beginning if you click on the brother’s name that interview will appear and if you click on the boyfriend that document will appear.
Not sure where rest of the docs are available yet.
minnie, my bad. All the newly released interviews are on myfoxorlando.com right now in an article about the newly released docs.
You can click on each one and probably save it to a file on your computer to read when you want.
I think C & G are playing a game at the advise of BB to save their daughter from a possbile death sentenceby keeping the Zany myth alive..
As to LV, he loves his parents, especially George. And is supporting them. Notice, never saw LV wearing a “Find Caylee” T shirt?.
If somebody is going to have a mental breakdown, I think George would be a good candidate. He has probably been thru hell(before and after Caylee missing) with those two females.
Hi, snookers! I’ve been looking for photos of LV in a Find Caylee t-shirt since you asked a while ago. I have not found many photos of him but the ones I saw he was not wearing one. He was wearing a white golf shirt – like with a collar and a few buttons down the front. I’m pretty sure that was the day he and M did the high-five after they got into the police station. And there were some other shots of him from other occasions. I’ll let you know if I come across any with him wearing the Caylee t-shirt.
Mytwocents,
Tks for “visible” link to doc.
I am gong to read the Lauren Gibbs one first. She was mentioned by M as a previous babysitter/nanny.
thanks twocents going onto fox.orlando now would be lost without ur help.
MTC,
You most work from your computer.
I always see your posts on all the blogs, which is great…cause you do have a lot of in sight to this case…
Even of the defense had a private detective looking for Caylee, what are they going to base their leads from? MONSTER!?
Well, just read the Lauren Gibbs interview.
Sounds like a very nice person. Watched Caylee for the the first 8/9 mos of her short life.
Lauren babysat for free and kind of got pee’d when she found out the M really did not have a job at Authority.
She also debunked the Zani story. never heard about her. Prior to last contact with M was in April and then on July 15/16 which she suspect was a mass text msg to all her fiends telling them Caylee was missing for 31 days.
Another, not good for the defense witness.
Thanks, MTC for the note to the new meeting place!
One more thing on URL’s links . I think that long ones do not post(many blogs have problems with those) and the rest of your post goes into oblivion. The shorter clickable ones are ok. Unless you convert to the “Tiny URL” clickable, your post will be absent.
Any Url will be fine however, if you drop h t t tp w w w . Your browser will fill in the rest when copying.
Right Jan Barrettt???
I’m glad to know that the text messages are saved in the phone records…
pretty interesting…..
I truely believe that ” You get the best information in the first 48 hours ”
I would like to know exactly ” Did Monster ever have a job? “
Alliethinks,
Also most mistakes are made by criminals in the first 48 hours.
Even better…
I am confused about one thing…
Tony said that he pick up monster at the amscot around 11:30 to 12:00 noon.
He stated that she had a bag of grocery with cold items.
But didn’t the manager state that the car was spotted in the early morning around 7:00am? Maybe my days are wrong? Plus, who were the witnesses that helped push the car into the Amscot parking lot?.. Were they ever question about the smell?
Alliethinks,
That is the 1000,000 dollar question.
Who dropped her off with her groceries 6/27 at Amscot around 11.00am. The Amscot manager did not see an occupant at 07.00am on 6/27
alliethinks: some of us think that monster’s story about two guys pushing her car into the Amscot lot was a lie.
I am so confused. Where did Monster spend the night before Tony picked her up at Amscot? I thought she was with Tony. And what car was she driving herself on 6/26 or a little before?
If she had driven that smelly car to Amscot THAT day, June 27, same day that Tony picked her up between 11 and 1, her hair and clothes would have reeked with the smell also. Tony would have smelled it. Why didn’t he?
Maybe a taxi was used the night before and the next morning. I wonder if taxi records in the area have been checked for the 26th and 27th.
Mytwocents.,
The car was dropped on 6/26 after business hours I think.
As far as I know , she was still using the Pontiac. Amy’s car was not available to her till around 7/8.
M is surely not an early riser, she is a party girl with late nites.
Somebody had to drop her off at Amscot with her bag of groceries,after she ensured that Tony would pick her up shortly after that. Donot want those expensive groceries to spoil in the FLA summer.
Unless, Tony is lying.
Tony might have picked her up at noon at Amscott and the parking lot was so full no one noticed the abandoned car until the next morning at 7 a.m. when the lot was empty.
These documents were released as part of the discovery process for her trial coming up in November on child neglect and interfering with an investigation. Baez has a chance to look over all the evidence the investigators have on his client and to contest it before the trial.
Lisa Bloom, legal consultant on Dr. Phil, said she feared the prosecution was between probable cause and reasonable doubt for a murder charge. I hope they have enough to charge her for murder because they may not find a body.
Baez is going to use all the Caylee sightings to say she is alive and stick to the nanny stole her defense which is ridiculous.
I think a jury will believe she’s dead because Cindy and George Anthony, the two truck driver and a homicide detective and his cadaver dog smelled the dead body in the car, two cadaver dogs alerted to a dead body being in the Anthony back yard, a neighbor said she borrowed a shovel and backed the car up to the garage and no one has heard of the nanny or seen Caylee since June 16.
I don’t know if 12 jurors would convict her of murder even with the chloroform in the trunk and computer search of chloroform. Some jurors may believe Casey put a rag with chloroform over her mouth and put her in the trunk and she died. Whether they would consider that first degree murder is debated by attorneys. Nancy Grace and another prosecuting attorney says it is first degree murder. Other attorneys disagreed.
Concerned,
I thought that both M and Tony used the June 27th date of the car dumping/pick up. Which was on a Friday.
The manager of Amscot did notice the car on 07.00 am the 27th and also after business hours on that date. But not on the 26th after business hours.
However, since all the interviews were done on or after July 16th, time can play tricks on people’s memories.
If Amscot is closed on Sat/sun I donot think the Amscot manager would have made that mistake though..
Just wondering where she slept the night of June 26th – the night before she had Tony pick her up at the Amscot. Anyone know?
I read LV’s transcript and can’t believe how badly the cops handled this the night of the 15th. I think these were regular cops that were the first on the scene not the detectives.
Also judging from LV’s transcript I think some female cop and maybe others should get fired for mishandling the case and evidence the night of the 911 calls. Lee went over to Tony’s to get all of M’s belongings, brings it back to the house, offers it to the cops three times and they’re not interested. And C pounces on it, dumps it out, takes $200 cash, roots thru receipts etc. And while she’s doing that the female cop leaves the room so who knows what else C found that the cops didn’t even see.
Even M’s laptop that LV brought back is left there!!! And a week or more later the cops find out that Baez has all the receipts! And who knows what else! And while the cops are there the night of the 15th LV and M are sitting in the garage with the stinking car!
I mean it’s just ridiculous! Ane LV tells the cops that all the data from M’s computer for the past month is gone! Says he checked it at Tony’s!!! Maybe LV deleted it. Geesh!
The cops should have corralled that whole family that night and not let any of them go anywhere. And gotten a hold of all that stuff.
Geesh!
On Nancy Grace they say the most damming evidence that came out of the 600 page report was:
1- Casey took her belongings but not one thing of Caylees when left the Anthony home on June 16.
2- Casey admitted there was a smell of decomposition in the car but blamed the smell on dead squirrels, setting up an excuse in case someone smelled Caylee’s dead body.
3- Anthony Lazarra says Casey woke up having nightmares during the time Caylee was missing but told him she was concerned about their relationship.
Nancy says they are waiting to find Caylee’s remains before filing murder charges against Casey.
mytwocents, I don’t know where monster slept the night of 6/26… but I’m pretty sure we will find out. I so agree with everything you said in your September 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 pm post. The cops did a horrible job when they were called to the Ants house on 7/15. For Pete’s sake there was a missing 3year old who hadnt’ been seen for a month.
QUESTION!
Did I miss something on NG or did she not explain who monster is telling her new story to about voluntarily giving Caylee to a babysitter for a month, so she could go job hunting?
Why would NG say something about it and then not explain?
I think that perhaps, NG posed it as just another wild story by the Momster, but I could be wrong…
Although NG sounded encouraging that there will be a murder trial down the road. She also agreed with the defense attorney’s that it hurts the prosecution to not have the three main elements…
1. The body
2. The Weapon
3. The crime scene
Boy those text messages are very telling, her mind certainly wasn’t wrapped around finding Caylee.
However, after skimming through the documents released, I feel more confident that she didn’t have help with getting rid of Caylee.
IMO
Amy .. I’m sorry, I didn’t get exactly what you meant when you said “I think that perhaps, NG posed it as just another wild story by the Momster, but I could be wrong.”
Before NG would say that wouldn’t she have some type of proof who monster spouted that new angle off to? I’m just curious.
Comcast buts in for the last 10 minutes of NG or I don’t see the entire show.
Hi MMT, from my perspective, it sounded like she (NG) was shocked in the fact that ms. momster was spinning yet another lie. In my view, NG, sounded very sarcastic.
Not much creadeance(sp) in momsters web of lies, just a bunch of lies of leisure.
Amy, I so agree with you… I don’t think monster had any help either. “Trust no one” that’s her motto.
But, I do question when she dropped the car off at Amscot because financial places like that are very aware of their surrounding because of robberies. They watch for cars in the parking lot when they both leave work and when they arrive in the morning. I wonder if there are other stores connected to that Amscot building … like is it a strip mall?
Hey Amy… what happened to that old gang of ours? Where is everyone tonight. Although I enjoy talking to you because your comments are great… well thought out!
Amy… do you know where I can read some of monster’s text messages?
Hi MMT,
I’m not sure where everyone went 🙁
Have you’ve been communicating with Cat at all?
We’re exchanging photos, it’s been really fun.
I think at some point feeling got hurt, but I’m sure that they’ll be back 🙂
I read through all the documents posted on myfoxorlando.com
Have you looked at those yet?
NO, I haven’t seen Cat on here.. Now I feel bad. You don’t have to say but do you know what was said that might have hurt her feelings?
Noet to Cat… come back!
No, I haven’t had a chance to go over all the newly released docs but I will tomorrow. I did read all of LV’s interview though. What did that Lauren Gibbs gal have to say… wasn’t she the blonde friend on NG at the very beginning?
Was the person who Richard Grund said babysat for Caylee interviewed too?
Hi all, i am here just busy reading, did watch NG and loved the comments from CAC as well as
M2C, all makes sense to me..
As far as M tRYING a new third version IF she in fact is, it won’t work, she cannot be believed with all of her lies and all of her stories.. and yes the thought did occur to me she wants to fool people into thinking she felt guilty for allowing Caylee to go with Zanny for a mont so instead made stuff up at first.. she would have taken some of Caylee’s things AT LEAST like her car seat and favorite doll and some toys IF she had planned Caylee to be with Zanny for an entire month..
Oh no, MMT, I don’t think it was anything like that…
SHe’ll be back, I’m sure… Do you need her email address?
Also, those documents are very telling, boy, the common thread is that momster, occupied herself with things, people and actions that just relate to her…
Re: Richard Grund, not tonight on NG, however, yes, the authorities, did interview, mr. Grund… You can check all of the info out at, myfoxorlando, however, might be easier to print out rather than view online…
but i can picture m making this up to justify all the good times she was having during that month, ALSO IF Jesse “thought” he heard Caylee with m on 6/24 this would be to the Pros benefit if m used this third version of what happened to poor little Caylee.
also squirrels DO NOT let off odor like a body would that is decompsoing, how silly, and cadaver dogs don’t hone in on dead squirrels either!
I almost feel over when she (momster) tried to sell her story on the 26th to her friends that a nesting squirrel was the reason for the decomp smell in her car…
Hi cj! I’m going back and forth reading the docs.
I bet BB is going crazy if monster is telling yet another version of her story. Remember she told the investigators… “That’s the truth and I’m sticking to my story.” Big joke!
There are more twists and turns in this case then any I’ve ever seen.
And you’re right… she didn’t take anything of Caylee’s. Didn’t even bury her with her favorite doll. Not that it would matter but my heart breaks for Caylee. I know she’s in a better place… but it’s still so sad.
i am going to try and read some of those new 600 page documents, havent as yet, but if they include m’s text messages which i heard they do, this should be interesting..
CJ, you’re totally right about that…
It’s nutty, but she was always trying to be one step ahead of everyone…
Did you read Lee’s transcript to the authorities?
CJ, you’re totally right about that…
It’s nutty, but she was always trying to be one step ahead of everyone…
Did you read Lee’s transcript to the authorities?
I think the most compelling theme here is that the authorities are dropping little nuggests here and there, and putting pressure on momster and her family… don’t you think?
Those, interviews, are worth the tired eyes after the 600 pages..
IMO, she did try to parlay herself with some nice folks that got caught by her web. The kicker was when I read Amy’s statement..
Thanks Amy… I’ll wait until Cat comes back on here and see if she wants me to have her email address. I feel kind of funny just popping in her personal mailbox. But that is VERY nice of you to offer! 🙂
I did start reading some of the docs just a few minutes ago… so I’m popping in and out of here. I read what the Lauren Gibbs said and here she was babysitting for free for almost 8 months. Then she found out that monster didn’t even have one of the jobs she told her she had and was simply hanging out with friends while Lauren watched Caylee… OMG
Amy i havent read any of the tarnscripts yet just some of the postings here referring to them,
yes they LE is letting out nuggets so to speak i agree. and i STILL wanna know how those bone DNA tests are coming along..
mmt,
i want to read the transcripts too, havent yet may do so shortly,
but yes Caylee is in a better place than with m.
Amy, the 600 page documents is part of Discovery for the trial in November on her charges of child neglect and lying to police. Baez has a right to know the evidence against his client. After it is released to the defense, it becomes public record.
On the new transcripts , you have to read Tony’s new one,quite different now.
Very, very intersting. The groceries she had with her when he picked her up at Amscot. looked liked she raided somebody’s fridge. Not regular grocery bags. She also spent the nite at Tony’s prior to the Amscot pick up.
Tony also met Jesse on 5/31. That surprised me.
Parting words of Cindy’s to Tony when she picked up M. Hope you are a rich man, she will take all your money and then leave you.,
You must go and read it.
Nothing can put pressure on Casey. Sociopaths don’t cave into pressure. They believe all they have to do is lie and they can get away with murder. Remember how Casey said in her first jail house phone call that Baez and her were going to watch the news reports and get a good laugh. She thinks the cops and media are a joke. She said she was arrested on a whim.
CAC, I believe the 600 pages are apart of that trial. They have to disclose their documents to the defense within a certain period of time…
CJ, I agree, I want to see what that DNA tests show. I think they have a lot of data on the DNA, but their waiting until the last possible minute to disclose it… I think they have one heck of a case built, and it will only get more compelling form now on…
Can you imagin what the tone in the Ant’s house must be today?
BTW< does anyone know if she’s spending so much time at BB office these days, or could it be that he too has had his fill of momster?
whew — found you guys 🙂
I think Baez wants Casey in his office six hours a day so he knows she isn’t talking to anyone but him or his staff. Baez is afraid she will continue to make up stories like she did to Padilla and Dick that will get her in more trouble. Dick said she talked all the time but didn’t say anything about Caylee that was helpful in finding her.
However, investigators interviewed Dick and Padilla and they told them about the new Zenaida story she told them and about how uncooperative and unconcerned about Caylee she was. That will help the prosecution.
ok so i have only read part of the new 600 page document, the only place i could find it the pages were very tiny print…..anyways, i believe Amy knows more than she is letting on
when did amy report the stolen checks to the police??
Probably Catherine and Kris and others are busy reading! We have a lot to discuss in the near future! Looking forward to it!
Night all!
is this ‘normal’ for the State Attorney’s Office to be releasing all this information that will also be used in the trial? i find it strange that they are releasing soooo much info about this – does anyone else find it odd, or an i the odd one here….hehe
Easy, I’ve missed you!
Well, easy, perhaps the info that they’re releasing is the tip of the ice-berg.. second, I think that they have to release the info within a certain period of time to so that the defense can work on their side of the case 🙁
Snookers, I qued in on that fact as well… very odd.. who’s grocerys do you think she stoled, Amy’s?
missed all of you, been busy and haven’t kept up on the caylee case much – trying to get caught up now – did however catch the dr. phil show
also, answered my own question on the checks – i’m working on a theory that someone gave me an idea on…..
is it normal for them to release this to the public, i mean with this so highly public in the media are they feeding something or “someone”?
isn’t it interesting? I’ve learned so much about law and due process through this case…
Whew! I didn’t see dr. phil, but been trying to keep up…
Any news on if she’s spending so much time at BB’s anymore?
i haven’t heard (bb’ her lawyer right?) but she did see the home confinement person this week, monday i think it was
“Concerned about Caylee said,
in September 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 pm
I think Baez wants Casey in his office six hours a day so he knows she isn’t talking to anyone but him or his staff. Baez is afraid she will continue to make up stories like she did to Padilla and Dick that will get her in more trouble”
i agree with this
Good point, there’s no end to her half-truths!
Man, I don’t know how her parents could stand having her in their home knowing that she holds the key to bringing caylee to her final resting place… Some of those shots of caylee is a spitting image of C, don’t you think?
Jesse Grund, who was on the Orlando Police Department when Caylee went missing, was conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee. He had a personal interest in the case since he was engaged to Casey and she told him Caylee was his daughter.
However, right after Caylee was born Jesse took a paternity test and found out he wasn’t. He shared what he found out in his own investigation with the Orange County deputies. Richard Grund, Jesse’s father, said Jesse was a policeman for only a short time and that Jesse and the police department decided mutually that being a police officer wasn’t for him.
Hi everybody,
I am knee deep in transcripts!! Have read Tony’s and glad to find out where M was the days we couldn’t place her. Was surprised to find she spent the night with Tony the 26th, got up and left in her car. Called later from Amscot for him to pick her up because she ahd run out of gas. AND, she didn’t GO to the grocery store he said. He said she had chicken nuggets or fingers and some ice pops but that they weren’t in a regular grocery bag–just in a plastic bag. She said she had gotten them from her home freezer. She had a couple of changes of clothes also.
So, did she actually drive home on June 27th and then back to Amscot? (Or was the food she had not in grocery bags because she STOLE the items from the store? That makes more sense.
She told Tony some guys pushed her car out of the street out of gas. Were C & G not home early that morning? G should have been, his work was 2nd shift. Unless she called home first to verify no one was home–or talked to C that day and found out neither was home.
Glad you found us, EasyGoing 🙂 Have missed you.
hi all, getting on and then off long day , but trying to digest what I heard on NG tonight… first impresssion
shes going down, man is she going down
most compelling new bombshell
the talking of the smell ahead of smell being found.. points now to me premediation..
i guess it hurts my gut more and more that comes out that indeed she did kill this child, why we may never know, or how either… but facing the hard truth each day this has went on and on, that she did something awful… defense is gonna argue crazy… i wonder too about multiple personalities.. if this were sybil, shes got all the signs
sorry snookers–didn’t see you had posted about Tony’s deposition and the groceries!
yes i am reading the newly resleased documents and in doing so must take a small sabbitial here for awhile lol
I DO want to repeat something i read started pn page 45 read to page 57 on brother Lee’s documents…
Lee stated it stunk SO BAD in the garage when he was inside there talking with Casey that he had to leave every minute or two for fresh air..
Lee also stated that his dad was a neat frak with the cars and would not only wash them but “detail” them every week or at least every two weeks, on the weekends and IF his dad could do that he would have noticed the horrific smell, he said M blamed on two squirrels under her hood that died, but even Lee knew that smell would not be so bad and would have dissapated… Lee said the smell was sooo bad that his dad would have noticed it just passing by the vehicle…
gotta go be back later dont know when.
hello everyone
will have to try to get on tomorrow and read some documents.. this case sickens me more each day, just listening to the sordid tales oher love and sex life, and textx and nails and on and on, and all along somewhere is a dead caylee..i guess each day i been praying to be proven wrong but the more comes out, its hard to have hope now… poor little thing… if i were C & G now reading these docs, they better face up to the facts, she isnt ever coming back… i know when they finally do “get it” its gonna eat them up alive for the rest of their lives that casey has now ruined for them all
pammy unfortunatley you’re right, my heart says caylee is alive and will be coming home, but my mind says she’s with god now and won’t be coming home…her mother should burn in hell, or just give her to me i’ll pull up a tree by it’s roots and beat casey to death with it !
ok sorry for typos
i mean SABBATICAL
i am sure you understand that lol
when i referenced Lee w/Casey in the garage with the permiating stench, this is from her pontiac in there which i am referring too.
easygoing,
if you are using a mouse, to make the print on the pages larger, hold down the ‘control’ key and with the MIDDLE scroll key on your mouse, scroll up until you get the print the size you want.
(there’s a way to do that on a laptop,too, but I forgot)
so, if lee already stated this in docs confirmed about the dead body smell why now is he portecting her? i just dont get it!!!
It’s interesting that Lee said when his parents smelled the scent of a decomposing body they were afraid to open the trunk for fear Caylee and Casey were in there. So when they found Casey but not Caylee, they must have known their granddaughter was dead.
All this denial is just an act to the public to help in the defense of their murderer daughter. That’s why George and Cindy never appealed to the kidnappers on TV to bring Caylee back and why they never searched hard for a live child. They knew from the beginning Caylee had never been kidnapped and was not living in Puerto Rico with a nanny.
cj, don’t worry i understand what you meant, i typo all the time, but still smart enough to read between the lines…in other words WE GET IT lol no spelling grades here lol
hello everyone just got home from work,what will they come up next on the dead smell Jimmy Hoffa was in the trunk, talk about being delusional,cindy and casey have gone off the deep in on this one
yah i mean each night i sit here chatting abou this theres always this glimmer of hope still, of turning on my tv an on NG braking news caylee found.. and yet each time they release this shit, so F^&*( overhwelming, and then i try to invision what caylees last days were like.. its enough to make me throw up, but each day its just too much, i dont care if there is no body found, this case is open and shut, the details is what we don’t know, what we do know is she killed her, and shes gone… i cannot believe at this point, how this family cannot have even a pre burial for her, something.. its just the worst heartbreaking story ever.. M is demented.. and if she isn’t clinically “demented”.. shes pure evil, and very very sick… noone on this planet would do a tenth of what she did while supposed caylee is missing..sex, nails, tatoos, texting, shopping, making dinners, bar hopping, lying and on and on… the only shred of hope i have left is that they release those mental tests and show she is beyong pyschotic or has snapped into psycho land which would help explain her irrational behaviour.. but since they havent’ released it , it tells me she isnt crazy ( by their medical standards).. but to me crazy is when you kill your kid, crazy is even if you accidentally kill your kid and hide it..
gumshoe thanks i needed that, i find myself squinting at my screen and get very sleepy with the little black letters, didn’t know i could zoom the font
Monday Morning Therapist said,in September 23rd, 2008 at 8:11 pm Although NG sounded encouraging that there will be a murder trial down the road. She also agreed with the defense attorney’s that it hurts the prosecution to not have the three main elements…
1. The body
2. The Weapon
3. The crime scene
***************
this worries me, therapist. I hadn’t thought about a crime scene. I don’t worrie about the other 2 as much–have seen/heard of cases where those things weren’t known. But the crime scene?
Hopefully, there is so much more evidence that, coupled with her many different stories, will nail her.
as you can see I’m fired up tonight lol i try to always take a neutral side in life but on this one, forget it, i could convict her on what we have so far on that alone… she snuffed out something so precious, so beautiful so breathtaking, so amazing, at least thats how i feel abou tmy own,a nd shes same age that when i read anything she was going while shes supposedly ” missing” makes me gaga, do you know in 3 years i have never even went out for the night? no shit I have not went out or partied or did my nails, its all been about my precious girl, the all abou tme ended when i laid eyes on her…so it kind of gets me ried up to hear of her activities, and then the smell thing, that just clinched it for me.. truly… i wont even debate it anymore LOL.. to anyone she did it, just don’t know how, where, and in gods name why?
your welcome, sabrina
hey flowerchild–It’s draining, isn’t it? How in God’s name do the Ant’s sit there day after day with HER? They get the same info we do. You know they read it, hear it, eat it, sleep it.
pammy i agree 100% so sad the ants are defending their daughter they know better and still try to claim denial… you can’t have denial be accusing jesse os putting grand daughter in the trunk, as for the oder in trunk there is no excuse cindy said it’s pizza and that oder didn’t show up til a week later omg ! do they really think someone broke into the tow yard and put a decomposing body in the car a week later and then removed it ? discounts denial all together
where are the new realeased doc at would like to rea them
thats what puzzles me too, how do they sit in there and even try to make sense of what has happened….and, no sound of caylee anymore, ( mine doesn’t stop talking and yakking from the time she opens her little eyeballs) lol.. i mean life for them all is basically over, they will never recover from this horror, to sit in denial is even more agony.. ( I know been there)…so i dont know they must discuss the case and slam on the media, i dont know, do they watch those home videos in horro, that shes never coming back?? i am really riled tonight… i just cant stomach hearing about M anymore and anything she had been doing while, during and after she killed her kid
dunno flowerchild i couldn’t find the first 400 lol wish i could help
i am not sure i can even stomach reading the docs, I’m only going on the little NG talked of and that set me off.. and if that brother smelled the smell, and dad mom, car guy, and if so many people smelled a dead body smell. i cannot imagine anything else that would tell them shes gone.. denial or not..idont knnow i only pray now for some burial for her, memorial, something to lay her to rest and the trial coming, its gonna be long, more sordid shit, but when it comes to deliberation.. 30 minutes
pammy i could be wrong but i doubt it, they probably watch thjem self on tv more than watching caylee vids…bet the play the george with the hose more than caylee…i would love to ask them just how much they think of caylee and just how nuch do they cuddle her pillow
i look at my own, same age almost exact, so soft so cuddly, funny, fun, so full of life, and when i saw the ants home movies you could see they did love the child, i cannot imagine what theeir lives will become over the yars as eah year passes she should have been here… and they will go visit M in prison, and thats all they’ll have left of caylee is the monster who gave her life..i don’t know its just unimaginable to me… even when i hear her voice so smart alecky on them, i have said it before the tapes, the chloroform, the obvious decomp and dna are to me hard evidence but when i gear sooooooooo many people in docs, confirming it all her actions etc.. it clinches the case for me
pammy, monster is Amoral no conscience such a person has no deserving rights, some people are this way, normal people can’t reason it
: What are some examples of records that are exempt from the Public Records Law?
A: Portions of documents that include indentifying information are often exempt from all records. Other examples of exempt information includes medical records, autopsy photographs, tax information, nursing home reports, student educational records, and information pertaining to on-going criminal cases.
anybody know where i can read the docs at
DAK ! my dak a doodle doo dakdude wude m mm ma macho man ! how does it go ?
flower i tried to download the first 400 pages anf it was gibberish, i don’t have audio and can’t get the doc’s i wish i could help you…maybe someone else can
yah i can’t even reason an accidental death, to go this far with a cover up, NO WAY there was a case here in michigan of a man strapped with 4 tiny kids, all toddlers, no good wife, this tiny quiet man, anyways he put them all into the car and drove into the detroit river, 4 babies died him and wife got out he said his foot got caught under the pedal well, LE knew right away he drove on purpose by the skid marks anyways it took all of maybe 2-3 days to where he admitted what he did, and planned on doing, they broke him within a few days… he did go to prison can’t remember maybe 20 years? and i think hes still in there, anyways you almost felt sorry for this pathetic little trapped man. they were in debt, she wa sa pig really, maybe his mind snapped and he felt like they would all be better off. i don’t know the jury did draw sympathy which is why he did’t get that long. i’ll never forget this case, it was big here…so i guess my point, do I have one? lol is a person who truly feels remorse would have cracked by now, which she hasnt which tells me oh so much
OMG ! pammy ? he could have given his children to me ! casey could have given caylee to me ! i would have taken good care of them and good care of caylee…i adopt dogs and cats and care more for children, it’s nonsense that a person kills a child they can always leave them at a hospital, fire station, or a church etc… no need to kill a baby
I am reading them from here:
blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/documents01.pdf
on the link above you have to add the h t t p or w w w (remove the spaces)
sorry, direct links haven’t worked here for a while
thanks gumshoe i’ll check it out later
yah the reason i say he was pathetic cause i remeber when LE broke him he sobbed like a baby and truly felt he just didnt know what to do anymore, no money, poor, she was a pig, 4 toddlers like age 1, 2 3 4, you could just see his agony, ( not that it in any way justified what he did) he did break.. he was a mess afterwards… and she stood by him which was nauseating.. 4 babies drowned…i heard recently or somewhere he was gonna be up for parole or something…but i remember it so well cause it was like this case, was it accidental? you know but he had planned it, but he claimed he intended to die with them, but lo and behold both adults made it out, 4 babies strapped in car seats, no hope, hers is no different, she wanted out of it, and if someday we do learn of an accident? she didnt care one way or the other
sounds like susan smith she intended to go down with her children…well if she wanted to die then why is she alive and her children dead? she could have killed hers self and gave her children to her ex hubby or even his parents…she could have given them to me…she didn’t want her children and didn’t want anyone else to have them she would rather the babies to be dead than to let anyone else have them…evil b*tch
ok found the docs just went through some of tonys statements will read more later
sorry i tend to get over dramatic on these type of cases…sorry pammy not getting on your case hun just blowing off some steam…i just can’t feel sorry for these kind of people…i just think if you want to hurt your self then do so, leave the babies out of it
If you all move to another blog, please post the one you go to.
If Catherine doesn’t show up, someone please go find her. If I don’t see her on by tomorrow, I will email her.
Don’t anybody get lost!
Going to read these documents a while.
‘nite all.
yes she was another monster… i mean that man maybe had in his mind reasons, i mean 4 toddler mouths to feed, a pig for a wife no help, he lost his job, and etc.. but M had it all, she didnt even work! C was raising her, they were financially ok i guess.. i mean why not just turn her over to C and go away live your sordid lifestyle…why kill? or if an accident why not step up to the plate and tell it, accidnets DO HAPPEN.. so nothing at this point am i buying with her, i say lock her up and throw the key away, there sno hope for rehabilitation, i guess i get riled too cause i am a single mom and its HARD , ive done it for 3 years, its the hardest job there is, you have no you life anymore, and you dont even care when your a loving mom, i used to live the casey prima donna life. I didnt have mine till 42… i was spoiled really. and my little girl sure did wake me up LOL
she showed me after 42 years of asking what am I doing with my life? well, god hand picked and handed her down to me.. cause he knew i needed her as much as she needed me as a mama.. i know sounds corny but its so so true…M had so may ways out, really she never was stuck,
ok gumshoe, i was gonna ask about catherine and kris, i haven’t seen them tonight…there’s another blog that’s very short but i checked there befor coming in here and didn’t see them, yet it’s possible that they’re else where
this case sort of reminds me of Jon Bene and my theories are still the same in that case, except with casey the – kidnappers gave her a script written or oral don’t know, my question is why what purpose did thet have for taken caylee and did they said they would give caylee back if she followed that script,which sounds totally insane because there has to be a reason why they would do it in the first place
sabrina no i know i dont want anyone to think i’m justifying his actions it was hard enough seeing their 4 faces on the news nightly..its just that in some peoples minds maybe he felt trapped, and so overwhelmed, but M had it all… a loving family to help out, pay for stuff, watch her when needed, so I’m thinking she didn’t want C to raise her cause that would make her out to look bad you know, how can she tell joe blow shes screwing oh my mom took over raising my kid, cause I’m such a loser mom
pammy congrats thumbs up to you…i never had children but franticly wanted at least one…but i would be willing to give a needing child a home, people don’t have to kill babies now days
i think casey kill caylee,with the mind set of she is my child and if i can’t keep her you won’t either as far as cindy is concerned
thanks, honestly i think i really didnt grow up until i had her.. thats honesty i led this prima donna life, (ntohign like M)…lol but it was just this all about my relationships, career, what can i do for pammy today, what can boyfriends do for me, give to me, the world give me..lol… then when she came, i said how was i even alive? without her. I just love mine so much, no its more like worship , lol at this age tho shes already telling me mom your not the boss lizzie the boss, and i get mad and say oh no your not young lady, and then i say ok, you are lol… and i wasnt even thinking about having one thought i couldnt and here she came.. God will give you a child if he thinks you need a child, never give up hope, I’ve seen it countless times.. with many women..its always when you least expect the little miracles to come too…
ants gave caylee away to casey, they should have taken custody day 1 and never put casey in charge of that liitle girl…casey never wanted caylee there for should never had been put in the task of caring for her in any way shape or form !
well goodnight all will be back in the am kind of to pooped to stay awake
yes i realize M is half my age doing it, and like i said it is a HARD life, but with so much help she had..she reminds me of a 14 year old girl when i see and hear her speak…i could not belive her age when they said her age i think 22? at first i thought 19…
ok goodnight flowerchild *hugs*
exactly they knew she wasnt handling it..my family offers no help.lol well my nieces do, they just expect me to do it alone and ok, which i do. BUT believe you me, if i called my sister and just uttered, or was crying and needed some help or a break they would race to me to get her faster than anything, so that she and I would be ok… they would pick up on any distress, and help… so i am sure ants knew she wasnt happy being a mom. she may have faked it in front of people, but at night it was C getting up, guarantee it… and if she forced mom M to do it, then M hated C all the more for it
pammy, the lies she tells sounds like a 12 yr old, casey is very immature, classic rape or molested victim,although that’s not an excuse, i was molested and learned from that to not hurt anyone else
yes when i heard the tapes that struck me right away her voice and the way she answered, so cocky like..like a gum smacking little girl going oh so I’m in trouble? you just wanna smack her… and then when i see her her tshirts thing, and her makeup, she still looks so much younger than 22.
exactly pammy just want to kick her ass every step she makes grrr…are you watching NG ? i am i missed the first time
Flowerchild, you’re right. A three year old could have made up that the kidnappers gave her a script to read for 30 days story. She seemed to be just making it up as she went. Like when she said Caylee called her that day and wasn’t upset at all. The detectives said that didn’t make sense that after 5 weeks a child is away from her mother that she isn’t upset. Casey said, “She was never upset when she didn’t see me. Now with my mother it was a different story.”
That was a clue to me that Casey got angry because Cindy bawled her out for cleaning out her grandfather’s assisted living fund and took Caylee and left to hurt Cindy. But Caylee cried for Grandmother Cindy and Casey lost it and killed her with chloroform and threw her in the trunk.
OMG ! concerned you made me tear up
yah its re playing right now, although i have to hear her voice again.. and i feel nauseaous already lol
yah i did not pick up on that clue that maybe when she cried for her dear grandma, casey lost it outraged, in her sick mind.. i didnt pick up on that
monday night casey got pissed about jesse wanting dna test/paternity test…what a whore…why wouldn’t grandparents want sweet cayulee to have her natural father ?
it’s weird to me, wouldn’t matter if i had to have 50 men tested i would do so in order to know who the father is there for to have a father for my grandaughter, doesn’t people put the childs welfare befor their own ?
why wouldn’t a mother not want to know who the father of her child is ?
huh ???? !
anyone here?
anyone here?
Something to concider,
Wasn’t there a time when there was no pings from Monster cell phone sometime in June?
And Kimmie the psychic (#117552 FOXS NEWS)did an interview that stated she had a vision of sand dunes.
And didn’t Monster tell Tony and roommate that Caylee went to the beach with the nanny?
And didn’t Amy state that Monster came by for a ride to target for a gas can?
Maybe the remains are closer to the beach then the swampy grounds.
The only thing I’m not sure of is the time line.
Good morning!
I’ve been slowly reading the interviews in the new discovery release. Not too many things there that we didn’t already know. But I found it so very disgusting that monster sent a text to Tony on 7/16, before she was arrested, saying…
“If they don’t find her, guess who spends eternity in jail?”
Can you believe that? That shows you what a monster she is. First of call she refers to her daughter as “her” instead of Caylee. But, that’s not the worst of it. There is absolutely no love or concern for Caylee… she only cares about herself and what happens to her… it’s NEVER about precious little Caylee. I hope monster rots in jail!
Yes MMT. Like “Somebody thinks she’s MY responsibility? What a pain!” Like it will be the child’s fault for pete’s sake. Disgusting.
I was a little concerned to learn that G was such a clean freak with the cars. Makes me wonder if he used a special cleaning solvent when they got the car back and that’s why it smelled of chloroform. But then there is the issue of that subject being researched on M’s computer.
Also interesting that when LV went to get M’s laptop at Tony’s the night of the 16th he said everything from the past month was wiped off – like a virus did it. And I was very disturbed by the number of “chuckles” noted during his interview. He’s not out of the woods yet as far as I’m concerned.
And as I said before I’m appalled at the outright bungling by the cops that night; no one watching the car; LV getting M’s stuff from Tony’s’; cop letting Cindy go thru all that stuff without supervision; LV having her cell phone and laptop for days! A totally botched job and I hope some heads roll over that at OCSO.
Couldn’t motive for murder be jealousy?
And are we certain that the night of the June 15 that both Casey and Caylee were in there beds?
Cindy took the stand for bond hearing and cleary stated that she knew they both were there cause she tucked them in…
But Padilla is stating that both Monster and CAylee left that night.
I think I read a post that stated after the big blow out on June 15, that Monster left with Caylee to Tonys.
Even if there was a big fight between the two why did both Monster and Cindy said the 9th.
wouldn’t that day stand out from the rest?
Hi alliethinks! Since I don’t believe in psychics… it’s difficult for me not to think that monster would feel the beach area too desolate and chances of her being seen dumping the body greater than in a more remote area like the swamp. But that’s only my opinion.
From what I understand monster’s cell phone was shut off, due to non payment, thus the lack of pings that one day. I venture to guess that she had already disposed of Caylee by then, but I could be wrong.
It’s good that we all have different ideas though because it leaves no stone unturned.
alliethinks: According to LV’s statement he said the night of the 15th when all heck broke loose at the Ant’s house, Cindy was saying she had not seen Caylee since the 9th. His theory on why M said it too was that she had heard Cindy say it so she just repeated it the next day (during those interviews). However the previous night M got on the phone with 911 and said very deliberately that she had not seen her for 31 days.
I can understand C being so upset that she’d get it wrong at first but I cannot understand how a mother (Monster) could forget exactly what month, day, hour and minute her child went missing!
mytwocents, yes, you are right… that bothered me too about LV saying monsters laptop was wiped cleaned of everything from the previous month… GIVE ME A FRIGGIN BREAK. Does he think investigators are idiots? No wonder he didn’t want to take a polygraph. I too noticed all his laughs at inappropriate times during the interview. Plus just like his monster sister he constantly uses the word “absolutely.”
I could always tell that both C&G are neat freaks. I think that neat impulse alone made C take the pants out of the car and wash them. I’m sure G would have done the same thing with the car but he had to go to work, thank goodness! So, I think, that prevented him from getting busy and cleaning out the car. I’m sure he would have done it otherwise.
If the supposed “computer virus” deleted everything from the previous month that also tells me that monster must have researched “chloroform” just shortly before that time since, luckily, LE found that still on monsters computer.
I agree too in the bungling job that was done when LE first arrived on the scene. I’m sure all that’s going to come out by the defense team when there is a trial. I still keep thinking that they are going to forgo the child neglect charges and go for the big M.
The new discovery papers do paint a clearer picture to me of what evidence the prosecution has to convict Casey Anthony of premeditated murder.
1- Casey’s friend Amy testified that even Casey said the car smelled like a dead body and lied and said she found dead squirrels “plastered” to the frame but blamed it on her father, who had never driven the car during that period.
2- Amy also said Cindy and George smelled a dead body in the trunk and were afraid of foul play and that Casey and or Caylee were dead. The two truck driver and a homicide cop and cadaver dog also indicated the smell was of a decomposing body that had been in the car trunk.
3- Lee said the smell in the car trunk was so overwhelming and powerful it filled the garage.
4- Lee also admitted there was a feud between Cindy and Casey over Caylee starting with when she was born and Cindy was the first to hold her.
5- Caylee’s favorite doll and car seat were in the car and none of her belongings were missing from her trunk, indicating Casey was not intending on taking Caylee to a babysitter for a month.
6- Lee said Casey told him Cindy accused her of being an unfit mother and maybe she was right.
7- During the time Caylee was missing friends said Casey was partying, painting her nails, sleeping with as many guys as she could and getting a tatoo that said beautiful life.
This new information points to premitated murder along with the DNA evidence and air tests showing Caylee’s decomposing body was once in that trunk, the air in the trunk was saturated with chloroform and Casey’s computer shows searches for chloroform.
IMO, if 12 members of a jury connect those dots it can only lead to one verdict: guilty first degree murder.
I wasn’t sure of the date, thanks mmt.
But my question really is did Monster and CAylee stay the night on the June 15?
Left Turn! I’m trying to figure out way the Ants got a criminal defense attorney?
Its obvious that they didn’t do the crime but maybe ( like you said) they covered up for Monster..
I also found Lee’s interview disturbing. Like Casey he also seemed disconnected from what was going on, laughing at inappropriate times and being so nonchallant about his niece being missing.
How could the smell in the car, which he knew was the smell of his niece’s decomposing body, be funny. Maybe he was just in shock or maybe he is a sociopath like his sister.
Before the interview, I thought he may just be a big brother sticking up for little sister. But now I think Lee may be involved in helping his sister cover up her crime and dispose of the body.
Concerned about Caylee, you, yourself are good at connecting the dots! All you said in your 9:28 am post is true! But, you probably feel the same way as I do…that LE will wait until they know they have every bit of evidence and facts line up so that the defense team will find it impossible to convince a jury of reasonable doubt.
LE does not want to lose this case anymore than we, their strong supporters, do.
Morning all, just here to say hi, will return later.
Monday Morning Therapist, like Nancy Grace, I think they are waiting to see if they find a body before her trial starts in November. That would erase any reasonable doubt from a juror’s mind that Caylee is dead.
Even if they don’t find a body, I think the cops will arrest her on some kind of homicide charge before November because this evidence points more to homicide than child neglect and they can’t convict her on one now and the other later according to Florida law.
hi i found you all. i have to agree lee seemed weird in interview, and said “absolutely” alot just like M.. and did laugh alot.. don’t know if anyone read my last nights posts from the previous blog, but when these docs came out now it clinches this case for me. I had some doubts before, I don’t know why, but now with this new bombshell interviews, well i think she is now done for. I don’t know how baez will fix all these interviews or explain them, she killed her and fam knew death had occurred, and perhaps a cover up, although lee seemed eager to come forward and state the truth about the smell… when i heard of the nails getting done, the texts, well, like i said last night you have the smell, the dna, the shovel, the inappropriate behaviour, the interrogation and now these very damaging interviews, well, the trial will go on awhile but deliberation will take all of 30 minutes
concerned about caylee said
This new information points to premitated murder along with the DNA evidence and air tests showing Caylee’s decomposing body was once in that trunk, the air in the trunk was saturated with chloroform and Casey’s computer shows searches for chloroform.
you said it better in your post and summed it up better lol then what I just wrote, absolutely agree 100 %
alliethinks, from everything that I’ve read and heard the only one who is bringing up the possibility that monster and Caylee left on the night of 6/15, is the Bounty Hunter, Padilla. Which I put very little credibility in to because if you listen to him carefully… he says a lot of “I think” and “I believe” or
“My theory is that…” When he puts those phrases in front of his comments… that means he has No concrete facts…. just something he suspects. I believe what G said … that he saw them leave on 6/16, he had no reason to lie… At that time, he was most concerned about finding Caylee and nothing else.
I’m not sure that the air in the trunk was saturated with chloroform. LE has not made anything about the chloroform very clear. I’m not a chem major but it seems to me that with the trunk opened so much between when it was at the tow yard and whenever the police bothered to look at it, that chloroform in the air might dissipate. So rather than an air sample from the trunk it might be an air sample from the carpet in the trunk or something else in the trunk. It may not make any difference exactly but then again it could.
Also I suspect that LE has restored M’s Laptop by now. I think they could do that.
Or at least examine the hard drive or something. It’s supposed to be very very hard to totally get rid of stuff on a computer.
i did go and read just a bit of the docs, can’t stomach reading the rest.. sickens me to death i now have changed my once neutral position, somany people swearing under oath so many different players all can’t be lying, no they told what they knew and this just sunk her, baze scrambling right now i can gurantee that, how to explain away own brothers testimoy of decomp in car, and C being aware too… hes weird like they all are. i got riled up last night in my posts these docs just made me sick to hear of the behaviours once it came down, well noone on the planet would believe any claim to kidnapping now, NEVER unless your deranged..al along i held out some hope that possibly she was just crazed by the kidnapping or hoping anyday she would come back, shes not coming back, shes gone, to think of everyone on this plant knowing now that mom was literally riding around town playing with death in her car from her own flesh and blood, well, i won’t get riled up again LOl
disgusting, shes going away for a long long time… perhaps even death penalty… baez is now gonna have to change his tactics, to dispute these interviews!!!
Pammyliz, I loved when you said … “The trial will go on awhile but deliberation will take all of 30 minutes.”
Coooowel!
MMT – I understand what you’re saying about Padilla but I also think that he is using that wording in order to avoid a lawsuit! Dr. Phil was very careful to use that kind of language, too, and most of the people interviewed on NG also make it clear that it’s their opinion or something. Even Jesse’s dad.
I think C said she remembered “tucking them in” (meaning M and Caylee) the night of June 15 but that’s hard to believe if that’s the night of the big fight. She might have tucked in Caylee but I doubt she did the same for Monster.
yah MNT i got so upset last night when i got home and heard the newest i mean i am a believer in people, and i wasn’t 100% sure of what we’re hearing you know, rumors, media hype, but to have this many sworn statements, people who have nothing to gain, and lees statement well, it points to nothing other than pre med.. and there is no truth to kidnapping, I had hoped she was just crazy or maybe thinking you never know in this crazy world, but after the docs now, NO WAY, i can’t imagine what baze is thinking now, and its possible he may step out of this case, there is no way to win it. woud not be surprised to hear of new attorney,
mytwocents, you got a point there about LE being able to restore the computer… for a minute there, I forgot about that! Thanks for the reminder! 🙂
Thank you Pammyliz, but I did forget the important clues that you brought up: Casey not reporting her daughter missing until her mother calls the cops 30 days after the fact, lying to investigators on the tapes, showing no feelings or concern for Caylee and refusing to cooperate with anyone in searching for her daughter. That behavior alone would convince me Casey is 150 per cent guilty of murdering that precious adorable baby. I want to see her get the death penalty.
Thnks mmt,
Its been bothering me seen I don’t have the 400 or 600 transcprit. I usually just read what everyone wrote and then go thru it in my mind to piece together the info….
Lv said that the smell from the car was so strong that he couldn’t stand within 2 feet from it. Did he say that the car was in the garage at this time?
i think padilla is as confused as we are, listening to him makes me more confused lol. i still feel limelight or not, he is a caring man you can see it. whether he gets anything out of this case, he did want to try to prove she was alive only to be another of M’s victims this whole case makes my own head spin, can’t even imagine how LE and prosecutors feel right now
I was able to read the whole transcripts by going to google, typed in casey anthony brought up links and from there, i clicked the discovery links in case, and it opened them up for me. I can try to post a link for you
Monday Morning Therapist, I do agree with you that George is probably telling the truth when he said he saw Casey and Caylee leave the house the 16th. Padilla wasn’t there so he is just guessing, based on his beliefs.
Remember also Padilla was the one who said he believed Caylee was alive and Casey just “misplaced her” or got drunk and forgot what friend she left her with, saying people who thought she was dead wanted her to be dead.
Padilla also came up with the crazy idea for whatever friend had Caylee to drop her off at a drug store. That sounded nuts. I don’t hold much stock in his theories but I do believe some of the facts he states about what the Anthonys told him.
MNT i had not read the texts yet and what you wrote she said in her text about if they don’t find her..OMG i can’t read the texts lol i know I’ll just get pissed off more and more
I’m asking cause, Two things bother me,
George being neat freak, and Cindy washing monsters clothes.
George has insight to investigations, and I’m wondering if they both attempted to clean the inside of (Their) monsters car with something other then bleach…Hint clue Hint…
Chloroform! Prehaps George knew a dirty little secret about the chemical cleaning away evidence?
I think Padilla keeps spouting theories just to keep him in the media spotlight. Nancy Grace now has him on her show every night. When Padilla first appeared on Nancy Grace saying he was bailing out Casey, she didn’t think much of him. Now she acts like he is an expert witness in a murder trial.
pammyliz, I read what you wrote last night about the guy who drowned his four kids but he and his wife got out of the car safely. I remember that well. It was down river… at the end of a road, I want to say in Allen Park maybe. It was so heart wrenching. But,
I have very little sympathy for that man or his wife. Regardless of how I looked at it they were murderers. Those kids wanted to live. He could have found other means to give those children the life they so deserved. Maybe it’s because, as I told you before, my son works for Children’s Protective Services” and he is very dedicated to helping abused children.
Just as a side note, I don’t mean to solicit… but kids placed in foster homes are often forgotten about. So, if at anytime you are unsure of which charity to donate funds to, please think of these children who need diapers, clothes, shampoo, hygiene products, etc. And especially at Christmas time when they are truly the forgotten ones. Thank you!
LOL she was beating him up in the beginning and now he’s on each night, but didn’t M draw this man in? I mean hes got money alot apparently, and he flies out here, and now shes invlved another victim, victims all over the place, from her poor neighbors, all of us watching, the world, wow, shes almost like ted bundy in her notoriety…even peterson didn’t get this much covergae, or maybe I’m forgetting he did really, that was on larry king for months and months, larry hasn’t jumped on this because NG covering it and the political campaigns
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Or course that wouldn’t explain the searches on the computer..
But we don’t have dates to when those searches took place.
If George has a garage of personal belongings who to say he never had a bottle of Chloroform in a cabinet…A theory
Plus, if we knew the dates fror the computer it could narrow down a timeline to connect the dots..
Concerned about Caylee, LOL…you got Padilla pegged right! LOL But, just like you when he says something that the Ants or monster has told him directly I totally believe him. Like when he said monster kicked him out of the ants house. And other things that he has said recently.
MNT
yes your from michigan too, it was off jefferson down at the river, highland park, or woodhaven I remember his name well, lawrence delisle. (spelling) it was a big case, because he had claimed an accident. I only mean that at least when he cracked which was quick, he was a broken man in grief. he didn’t get that long something like 20 years or something hard to remember but i do remeber the sickening pics of those 4 babies. with M she hasn’t and will never crack, one other thing is it possib;le that the fam is involved in coverup and in some weird way that too is why she isnt cracking cause she knows they all go to prison and that would be enough to hold her from cracking I mean your talking about the whole fam being convicted… that would be enough i think to stop her from cracking
what chairy are you referring to for donations? cause i would be happy to donate, especially at the holidays? LMK and i will jot it down.
Mytwocents, the air test report showed the air saturated with chloroform as well as smelling of a dead body. No one else mentioned smelling chloroform so the air test shows something the normal nose can’t detect.
Alliethinks, your theory that the chloroform came from cleansers George may have used to clean the trunk doesn’t explain why there were chloroform searches on Casey’s computer.
MNT
my daughter and I were in a bad way about 2 years ago, and had help from organziations, and so now i give back when I can, you never forget those days and i never forgot the people who helped me, salvation army, for one, my local FIA office.. we have been on our feet now for 2 years but without the help i got well, we would not have survived the road we were on…
good morning all
pammyliz… you are so kind! Christmas is an especially wonderful time to think of these kids. You would need to contact your county and either ask for Foster Care or Children’s Protective Services and they can help you with the rest.
I don’t know how familiar you are with the eastside… but my son works out of Macomb County.
I live in Shelby Township.
well i see casey didn’t take any of caylee,s clothes or toys with her when she left ,found that kind of odd, two year old need lots of stuff when they go somewhere for any length of time wonder why
I wondered why Cindy would automatically believe Casey’s “the babysitter took her” story when she told friends Casey was a sociopath and a pathological liar and had stolen from the family.
So it made sense when Lee told the investigators that when Casey first told the story, Cindy blew up and asked Casey, “What have you done?”
Amy said Cindy told her she smelled a dead body in Casey’s car trunk and feared Casey or Caylee was dead and that there was foul play involved.
I wonder if Casey deliberately left her purse on the front seat so her mother would think she was dead after smelling the dead body in the trunk.
I think everything Casey did was to punish Cindy and she is getting great pleasure that her mother is not able to eat or sleep and is suffering knowing her precious granddaughter is dead and that her daughter did it.
Even though Casey is not able to go out with her friends and get drunk and pole dance and sleep with any guy she wants, she may feel it is worth it to watch her mother suffering and dying inch by inch.
Flowerchild, Casey didn’t take any of Caylee’s belongings because Caylee was dead when she left the house.
haven’t read to much of the docs yet but can’t wait to read them
I the documents Lee said that the computer was going to blue screen all the time. He only brought the computer back from Tony’s house the night that the police had been called by Cindy. Seems that the chloraform searches would be before the 16th, for that reason alone.
well wouldn’t she think that would be kind of strange for people to understand,that she didn’t even take her babys clothes what is the kid suppose to wear,and didn’t she said she was going on vacation with caylee
cindy statement on stand her and casey were on the computer that very first night when cindy had call the cops and they question casey, cindy stated they were setting up website to search for caylee, the police need to look up that date
how do we know that was the date of the chloroform searches on the computer and cindys involement in the coverup
MNT my best friend is in macomb twp. I am from wayne county.. taylor, canton, westland area..yes I will find one to help out,I have already donated many of our things to the churches.. i had so much help, from toddler bed to clothes, its been a long jouney happy to say we are doing very well now, and out of the dark days. i have to go to work now, please leave a link or number of blog its the only way i can backtrack i like the number link and pasting in browsers that easier than trying to find the name of the page. I wil be back on tonight
Bye all
CAC – I have not seen an air test report. Maybe it’s in the new docs and I haven’t found it. The only thing I’d heard was from a “source close to the investigation.”
I’m not saying M didn’t dose the child with chloroform. I think it’s likely she’d do that so she could party or leave the child in the car overnight.
To do so she would most likely pour some on a cloth and hold it to the child’s nose and mouth. So air/gasses from the cloth could show that. Or air/gasses from something that cloth touched. I’m just trying to be cautious about parts of our theories that aren’t nailed down yet (at least that I know of)
i keep going back to the pants cindy washed, i think she knew full well casey had those pants on when she disposed caylee’s body,it would have dna evidence on them,the forsencic expert said that after they had be washed all traces of dna evidence is gone,not true sometimes with murder people try to clean up the crime scene blood,whatever,and they can still go back and discover trace amounts of blood by luminol
pammyliz… your message about the help you received, when you needed it most, was very touching and inspirational.
I have a good friend who I meet for breakfast every Sunday morning and she was brought up with guidance from the Salvation Army Church. She’s a wonderful giving person who has taught me so much about how the Salvation Army and how much they do help people. I donate to them often and just visited the Salvation Army donation center this past Monday.
I’m sure it’s still not easy for you when you’re raising a little precious child so, if you find that you can not donate, please just simply pass the word on about these foster care children and it will be just as good.
I totally believe in that phrase “Pay it forward” Did you happen to see that movie? It was sad, but I LOVE it!
They have more than one computer too. The one at Tony’s was Cindy’s laptop that Casey had taken. It’s the same one that had blue screen when Lee picked it up at 2 in the morning while LE was at the Anthony house.
Elle – good point about possible dates for Chloroform searches.
mytwocents,
Thanks for the link update and hello everyone – good day! 🙂
One of the many things that bothers me is the difference in dates of when Caylee went missing. My thoughts are that Casey said the 9th, because if her body was found, and forensics showed she died mid-month, Casey would be able to say that her daughter had been missing for a week at that time and Zanny must have done it. Then Cindy had the timeline of actually seeing Caylee on Father’s Day which ruined it all. I don’t understand now why the car smelled early in June if Cindy really had her on Father’s Day.
i think the timeline is way out of whack,i think to cover their tracks, to confuse people when caylee really came up missing
Another hurdle the prosecution has is finding jurors that can think for themselves, connect the dots and believe that a child is dead and a mother may be capable of murdering her own child.
Even though Casey’s friends all made damming statements, none of them said they believed Casey possible of murdering Caylee. They all suspected it was an accident.
Many bloggers even expressed that they believe it was an accident and Casey snapped and covered it up.
Maybe, the prosecution will get lucky and get jurors like one who was interviewed after she voted to convict a woman of killing her two month old baby.
The juror told a reporter: “I believe it was an accident.”
The reporter said: “If you believe it was an accident, why did you vote to convict her on second degree murder.”
The juror said: “Because an accident is murder.”
I don’t trust jurors because some just don’t think rationally or logically.
i hear casey is finally admiting there was a dead smell in the car, why wait this long to finally said it
Casey was making up excuses when she was talking to Amy about the smell in the car. Lee said Casey had said she had been staking out Zanny’s house and he couldn’t believe that, given how the car smelled.
if they can come up with enough evidence that she had planned this murder,searches for chloroform,kidnapping story, they can charge her with first degree murder, i can only hope they can find this
this was no accident,i can’t believe casey is that dumb,if it was a accident you sure in the hell go don’t through this much drama to cover it up and face murder charges for a accident,casey is definitely hiding something far worse than a simple accident,and that can be a charge to in the end the mishandling of human remains if she buried caylee after death
flowerchild: Monster is saying nothing now.
All the info that we have about what she said is coming from her friends and brother about what she said to them back in June.
Sorry. To explain. The info we are getting now is from statements made to cops by friends and Lee back in July and August. This info is from the docs that were just released yesterday. And they’re telling the cops what Monster had been telling them in early June.
Since M was looking up “chloroform” on her computer and we’re just speculating on the reason, I am not going to rule out that she intended to use it to commit cold hard murder. Didn’t Kobi, the forensic scientist on NG, say that it dissipates from the body rather quickly, even after death, without traces left behind? In her haste, M might have spilled the bottle in her trunk as she put Caylee in it.
i just wish they can find caylee,but i am losing hope they ever will very sad
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kimcon22000… Hello and where have you been? We need more $150.00 sessions with your great insight.
isn’t chloroform kind of old fashion way to knock someone out,who ever thinks of using chloroform to kill someone or knock them out in this day and time
elle, I hope I’m not misunderstanding what you mean here but just in case no one clarified your comment, which said “I don’t understand now why the car smelled early in June if Cindy really had her on Father’s Day.”
The car did not smell in early June… monster was just making that up when she was talking to Amy… trying to make it sound like the car smelled long before Caylee disappeared.
Flowerchild, I’m just guessing that maybe, since Cindy is old enough to remember when they did use chloroform in hospitals, she talked about it in front of monster. Monster picked up on it and researched it.
Piece by piece is how this case will reveal the truth…
Its apparent that we need a body for a good conviction, but I would be satisfied with a second degree murder charge…That would be close to life.
I just don’t understand it, Cindy loved Caylee so damn much and knows that Monster deliberately hurt her granddaughter out of spite or getting even due to jealousy….
Why cover up for her now? Even if cindy knows caylees dead, why not pull the plug on her?
If anything revenge for caylee sake.
Monster was so pissed off at Cindy for even calling the police that night.Monster really thought that she could come up with a story and no one would look into it…
I’m sure monster has been telling lies since the day she could talk. Cindy probably never looked into any of the story that were told to her.. How stupid of Cindy.. Look at the monster she created now.
I read the documents.
These things helped fill in my blanks.
1. Casey backs car into garage 3 times, June 17, June 18 (and borrows shovel), June 20.
2. June 23 green pickup truck seen in Anthony drive w/Casey and brown-haired man talking/walikng into garage. Casey told Lee it was Tony who took her to get gas cans that day. Tony verified this to Lee.
3.Lee said Casey told him she stayed in the car several days as a ‘stakeout’ near Zenaida’s to see if she would come back. He didn’t understand how she could stay in the car with the smell.
4. July 1–Casey gets manicure–party’s that night.
July 2–Casey partied most of the day and night @ the Lodge and @ Voyage.
July 3–Casey gets tattoo ‘Bella Vita’
July 4–Party @ Will Walters house all day. Casey says Caylee is at Sea World (after saying she is with nanny all week at various places.)
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And this was my most interesting find:
In Will Walters depo. EE asks Will if he knows anything about this and then reads to him:
“Crimeline Tip: Winter Park kid arrested on 7/26. Ryan Huffman
‘Suspect stated Will Walters, Casey’s supposed boyfriend, mentioned in casual conversation that Casey had been in a car accident and brought the car in for repair. Afterwards unknown mechanic, unknown garage, stated the car smelled like a dead body. No further details’.”
The expert on NG who talked about chloroform mentioned that some “young mothers use it to get their children to sleep when they want them to be asleep” (paraphrased here). I remember hearing that and getting the impression that this is not the first time he’s heard of it being used like that -and I assumed currently.
Yes. Chloroform is outdated as an anesthesia like it used to be used for in a proper medical setting. But I don’t know what else is available today to knock kids or people out illegally.
The expert on NG who talked about chloroform mentioned that some “young mothers use it to get their children to sleep when they want them to be asleep” (paraphrased here). I remember hearing that and getting the impression that this is not the first time he’s heard of it being used like that -and I assumed currently.
Yes. Chloroform is outdated as an anesthesia like it used to be used for in a proper medical setting. But I don’t know what else is available today to knock kids or people out illegally. I have heard of parents using childrens’ cold medication and benedryl for that purpose but that doesn’t konk somebody out like chloroform will.
With cold meds, you can measure the dose amount with the weight of the child..
Monday Morning Therapist,
I’ve been very busy working and other stuff, thanks for asking. great posts here as usual.
Because Casey was planning on moving into her parents house with Amy saying they were getting a divorce and signing it over to her, I still think Casey bought the chloroform to kill George and Cindy and Caylee while they slept so she could party the rest of her life. I think she planned on burying them all and making up detailed stories that they reconciled and went on a cruise with Caylee or they moved to separate states with her mother taking Caylee.
Then June 15 Cindy and Casey got into a big fight over Casey stealing and Cindy probably told her to move. She was so angry, she decided she didn’t want her parents dead, she wanted them to suffer by killing Caylee. So she sneaked back into the house 6/16 after George left killed Caylee with the chloroform, put her in the trunk until she was sure she was dead, tried to bury her in the back yard 6/17 and 6/18 and it was too much trouble so she disposed of her in the alligator infested marshes where she wouldn’t be found.
Oh, ……. and I’ve gone up to $200 🙂
I still fear that the defense will use Post-Partum Depression as part or all of their defense, mainly because all the people who have testified agree that Casey is a liar, a thief, and a party girl. But they also ALL agree she was a good mother and would never intentionally hurt her child. They all say they have never seen her be anything but loving and kind to Caylee.
This opens the door wide to argue that she was a somewhat *normal* person until she had Caylee and then she started going downhill—stealing, lying, partying, doing *abnormal* things. Even Cindy’s myspace entry on July 3rd supports this. She says she supported her daughter during pregnancy and the birth, and then all the lies and betrayal *began*.
*not saying prosecution can’t refute this with their own evidence–just wondering how defense will use the info of WHEN her downhill lifestyle (stupidity) began, as per sworn statements.
C a C,
I agree with the theory that she was planning her own parent’s demise so she could get the house and have Amy (or anybody) move in to help with Caylee, and that her plan fell apart on June 15 after Cindy threw her out.
C a C, but you are right, if her parents were going to be gone, why would she still plan to have Caylee.
Does anyone know if Caylee was seen alive on June 16?
Everyone keeps saying the chlorform might have put her to sleep… But if Caylee and monster left in the morning on the 16. Where did they go? She had 12 hours of daylight before little Caylee would have gone to sleep!
But if Monster left the house on the night of June 15( after the big fight) Caylee was probably upset with having to leaving her grandmother ( after a fun day with her) maybe even crying to stay…
Which would highly infuriate Casey to pushing her to a breaking point with little Caylee…
I don’t believe that Casey stayed the night at her moms….Casey is use to walking away when she couldn’t get her way…
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kimcon22000… well, considering I was willing to pay $350.00 that’s a bargain! Now tell us your full theory on how and why it happened!
Gumshoe, postpartum depression only occurs after a baby is born. It is a depression where the mother wants to harm her baby. Casey showed no signs of postpartum depression when Caylee was a baby. She appeared very loving and devoted to Caylee, her friends say.
No psychiatrist would testify for the defense that lying, stealing and partying are a sign of postpartum depression. However, psychiatrists already have said that lying, stealing and dragging her child with her as she parties is a sign of a sociopath, which they now call Anti Social Personality Disorder. Sociopaths aren’t considered crazy so that is not grounds for an insanity defense.
I believe Baez is going to try to create reasonable defense by saying Caylee is still alive and Casey was a good mother who left her daughter with a babysitter she trusted and that babysitter kidnapped Caylee.
I meant reasonable doubt not reasonable defense.
Gumshoe, evidently I have not gotten as far as you with reading the transcripts… so I appreciate the shorter Reader’s Digest version. I’m going to read Will Walters interview right now!
Does anyone know if Caylee was seen on the 16 on June?
If Monster left with Caylee on the 16 then were did they go for 12 hours of daylight?
Everyone keeps saying that Cindy and Monster had a fight on the 15, that I just couldn’t think that Monster would stay at the house after all of that…
Its more believable to think that Monster got mad and revengeful with Cindy and left with Caylee.
Caylee probably was crying a pitching a fit wanting to stay with Cindy that maybe it infuriated Monster to a breaking point.
I did the math…If casey told 911 (july 15)that she hadn’t seen her daughter in 31 days.
It would be June the 14th that Caylee went missing. ( there was only 30 days in June)But, if she told LE on July the 16 that it had been 31 days, it would bring us to the night of the 15 of June…So, why are we guessing June 16 thru 18..Unless just more lies?
alliethinks, most of us believe that monster came back home with Caylee after George left for work. Not any of her friends have said anything about her staying with them the night of 6/15. Plus, I doubt very much if monster had money for a hotel room, as someone once mentioned on here.
Plus, I remember reading that Casey went back to Ants house on the 15 to get some things done…
she told friends that she was going to met up with them in 3 hours to go out….
I just don’t believe Monster was at her folks house the night of the 15th.
Personally her intention were to go out with friends that night of the 15th, her mother had Caylee all day, Monster probably thought that she would watch her for the rest of the evening, had a fight, got pissed off with the whole issue, took caylee with her, and met up with friends… I think that is when the child was put in danger..
I don’t believe George remember a specific date that he saw Caylee alive…
Ok mmt, did anyone mention if they went out all night..When I was single I would party til 5 or 6 at after hour bars…It would be morning time by then.
The days don’t add up. Why did she say 31 days?
Maybe no one knows why, but it is strange to say the least.
C a C
“However, psychiatrists already have said that lying, stealing and dragging her child with her as she parties is a sign of a sociopath, which they now call Anti Social Personality Disorder. Sociopaths aren’t considered crazy so that is not grounds for an insanity defense.”
Do you remember a couple of times psychiatrists have stated also that sociopath behavior begins almost always aroung age 16? Since several psychs have pegged her as a sociopath, and if that is true, then Cindy has more than likely hidden many things, denying for years that Casey needed help. By the time she got pregnant at 18, she would have been acting out at least 2 good years.
I can imagine a sociopath with a mother who daily degrades and demeans the daughter would eventually kill her child.
Jesse stated in his depo that once he and Casey were lying on the couch together at the Anthony home, and that Cindy said something to her and Casey didn’t give the right answer (I’m paraphrasing). Jesse said Cindy lit into Casey bringing up all kinds of crap that he didn’t want to hear and he said so in a nice way. He said that Cindy just blew up on Casey, degrading her in every way she could think of in front of Jesse, and that it just went on and on.
AllieThinks,
Lee said that the 31 days was strange to him too. He thought Casey picked it up from Cindy perhaps, since most people would say a month, or number of weeks, but not 31 days. I think Cindy was figuring out how many days it had been since she had seen Caylee and then Casey started out with that when she talked to LE.
I don’t mean to sound like a broken record…
But, are they basing phone records for possible time of Caylee misfortune?
Didn’t LE stated that a large amount of calls went out to certain people during the dates 16 thru 18?
Elle thanks for helping me, It just doesn’t add up no matter what…If Cindy said 31 days to CAsey and CAsey just ran with it. It still would have brought you back to the 14 of june…Even still, Cindy stated the 9th of June orginally…So who knows? Unless these people are so F%#ked up that they just say anything that comes to mind…
truely I just wanted to know why everyone picked the dates in June between 16 and 18 for missing Caylee?
Well, just dropping in for a bit and then back to reading again.
Always like to read things twice. So much you miss the first time.
In Amy’s test., found it odd that she said Cindy had not talked to either of them(M and Caylee) for a while, and C was really worried what they would find before they opened the smelly trunk at the wrecking yard. Cindy did state later she talked to M each day between 6/16 and 7/15.
The actual pick up date of M by Toni with her raided groceries is still fuzzy. Amy states M called on 6/27 that her car ran out of gas and was waiting for Tony to pick her up. Tony not sure about date but very sure M spent the preceding nite with him.
Also why did M need a gas can after 6/27.
LE is very interested in the comings and goings of Tony’s jeep, that M has use off after Tony went to NY on 6/30.
I am also beginning to believe that M did not have not any help with hiding of body. And any cover up by ants/lv started after 7/15.
BTW, if the trunk was so saturated with chloroform, it certainly did not effect the flies that flew out of the trunk or the crawling maggots. And they are not anaerobic critters either.
Gumshoe, I believe Casey is a sociopath because that explains clearly why she is not showing any remorse for what she did to Caylee or any emotion or concern whatsoever that her toddler is gone.
We all know Casey murdered Caylee either in a rage or coldly and calculatingly to make her mother suffer. Then we know she went out “dancing on Caylee’s grave” by partying and sleeping with any man who would have her for a month until her mother found her and put a stop to it. Casey was happy to be free of her daughter and her mother.
I do believe Cindy is an unhappy domineering woman who used Caylee as a weapon against Casey. She called Caylee a mistake and Casey an unfit mother, according to Lee. Cindy called Casey a sociopath, thief and liar to her friends.
I think Cindy also used Caylee to give her the love that she didn’t get from George, Casey and Lee. I think Cindy gave all her attention to Caylee and that Caylee loved Cindy like she was her mother and Casey and Caylee never bonded on either side.
I think Casey punished her mother by taking away the only thing she cared about: Caylee. I also think she is enjoying watching Cindy suffer. I think Cindy blames herself and that’s why she is protecting Casey.
I’m not sure how much stock i would take in these interviews. They seemed to be coached. I say that cause the investigators kept inserting things as the witnesses were being interviewd. When they were talking the investigators kept interrupting them while they were talking and seemed to me to try and implicate things. Also I wouldn’t trust Amy, because for someone who wqs suppossed to be Casey’s best friend She couldn’t be sure about the Tattoo. Sha said Casey showed it to her and she said it said Buena Vita and it doesn’t it says Bella Vida. if she saw the tattoo she would have corrected that.
Don’t think i’m defending anyone cuase I’m not I just analysed the interviews reely carefully taking notes. Like when Amy said about the smell with Cindy. According from what i got it looked like the pizza and maggot theory was thought of before Cindy went on camera.
And another thing what the hell does waking up in a sweat with nightmare prove. I’ve done that before and so has my 4 year old son.
Also why is that all this about Casey saying the car smelled didn’t come out during the first interview seems strange as that would have seemed to be one of the first things I tell LE. But no all this in the second interviews came out after the fact that LE made the satement that there was a smell.
There seemed to be more comments from LE during the interviews than the people making them as if they were trying to imply stuff and getting the witnesses to go along with it. Also the Tampa job was made up before the Nanny story.
I don’t consider myself an amateur sleuth and am not interested in investigating this case like some of you. I trust the investigators are experienced and knowledgable on murder cases to gather the information necessary to win a conviction and that the prosecutor will put together a very compelling forensics and circumstantial case.
I am interested in these documents because they tell me what evidence the police have and I like delving into the legal and psychological aspects of the case. That’s why I enjoy watching Nancy Grace because I hear the reporters, defense and prosecuting attorneys, psychologists, investigators and forensic experts give their opinions on the evidence and the case.
Allie,
Nobody has seen Caylee(alive) after 6/16.
George besides C was the last one. If george worked a mond thru friday job, it would be hard to believe , he would have this day/date mixed up.
The June 15th fight plus Cindy going up to Mount Dora that day would allow him to sequence it. Although probably many a fight went on in this household between C and M.
I think that M with Caylee spent the nite of 6/15 in the ants house. Left on the 6/16 around 1.00pm and came back after George left for work at 2.30 pm. M left again without Caylee before Cindy came back from work.
Snookers you wrote: “I think that M with Caylee spent the nite of 6/15 in the ants house. Left on the 6/16 around 1.00pm and came back after George left for work at 2.30 pm. M left again without Caylee before Cindy came back from work.”
What do you mean she left without Caylee?
I also did some research and investigating and just because someone passes a lie detector doesn’t mean they are telling the truth, because a lie detector test can be passed even id you are lying.
Concerned,
I think she came back for dead Caylee the next day. Had her hidden somewhere around the ants place. Shovel, backing into garage from neighbor.
Probably had a party to go to and could not be bothered with disposing of Caylee. Besides , it might have been close to Cindy coming home from work.
I just finished reading the transcript from the Wil Walters interview and OMG… if I have to read one more ahhh, uhm.. uh… I will scream! No wonder the investigator has to interject some words or these people would never be done with the interview.
I realize that anything these friends might say, regardless of how insignificant, it could possibly be an important piece that fits into a puzzle and brings the picture together. It is definitely painting a picture of her being a sociopath. (Antisocial Personality Disorder)
Dak, I usually ignore your posts because I passed you off as either a member of the Anthony camp, a troll or a know it all who had to be right.
This time I read your posts and want to respond. From the beginning, you’ve criticized the prosecution case against Casey Anthony saying you believe Caylee is alive and this is much ado about nothing. Every time new evidence is introduced you pooh pooh it.
When the DNA testing and air tests came back you said they could be wrong. Now lie detector tests are not reliable, the investigators are coaching the witnesses and what the witnesses are saying doesn’t mean anything anyway.
I’ve been wondering if you’ve ever been arrested by the police and convicted of a crime and that’s why you are so suspicious of law enforcement and seem to identify with Casey Anthony.
Concerned about Caylee, BRAVO! Everything you said in your 2:43 pm post is exactly the way I feel too!
Here’s some of what you said:
“I trust the investigators are experienced and knowledgeable on murder cases to gather the information necessary to win a conviction and that the prosecutor will put together a very compelling forensics and circumstantial case.
I am interested in these documents because they tell me what evidence the police have and I like delving into the legal and psychological aspects of the case. That’s why I enjoy watching Nancy Grace because I hear the reporters, defense and prosecuting attorneys, psychologists, investigators and forensic experts give their opinions on the evidence and the case.”
I’d like to add that we can all learn, in many ways, from these experts. 🙂
Monday Morning Therapist, I have a feeling we were on the same wave length. Just in case you missed it because we were posting at the same time, read my post above yours to Dak and his posts and see if you agree with me.
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to pop in and say hi. BBL
Hi Catherine.
Concerned about Caylee,… lol, agree with you? Are you kidding? I asked Dak that same question a while back for the exact same reason that you are asking him now.
My question was something like this:
Dak, have you ever spent time in jail because you seem to be very negative about all LE.
His answer was “No” but he said his father was convicted, unfairly, of a crime and spent time in jail.
Hi Catherine… we miss you. Don’t forget to come back as you promised because no one is allowed to polka until you do! 🙂
And we are already tapping our foot!
Some events happen in people’s lives that change them either positively or negatively.
No experience is unique.
Knowing that is the 1st step in healing.
That’ll be $200 please……. 🙂
Working my fortune cookie magic!
Actually I am always suspicious of LE and the prosecuting DA because of quite often innocent people getting pressed into a guilty plea by intimidation and without the assistance of a good defense lawyer -court appointed(plea bargaining) in lieu of dropping some of the charges. It is so lopsided, favoring LE as opposed to a “poor in funds” not too intelligent defendant.
You never read about cases like that.
If the Duke students would not have had wealthy parents, they surely would have been convicted.
However, NOT in this case.
Although I do think LE hosed up in the first 48 hours. BB and cohorts will have a field day with it. The circumstantial physical evidence was not immediately secured and contamination could be claimed.
The non physiacl evidence is just overwhelming. And IMO will convince a jury of premeditated homicide.
Thanks Monday Morning Therapist. That explains why Dak is so negative and suspicious of law enforcement.
Welcome back Catherine. Are you reading the new documents? Can’t wait to hear your take on them.
Snookers, I don’t think Casey hid the body in the yard because her parents might have found it.
I think she kept the body in the car trunk until she could dispose of it. That’s why the trunk smelled so bad.
Caylee’s body was probably decomposing in the trunk the 16th, 17th and 18th when the neighbor said she borrowed the shovel and backed the car up.
I’m sure Casey lay Caylee’s decomposing body on the ground in the back yard where the two cadaver dogs allerted while she borrowed the shovel.
The neighbor told investigators the shovel may not have been used so maybe the ground was too hard or she was too lazy to dig and changed her mind and dumped the body in a dumpster or alligator infested waters.
LV statement stated that the car was in the garage to air out??? What!
In the garage? Why not in the driveway, where there would be a breeze! I don’t get it…
Didn’t C&G check the trunk at the impound before they took it home? Plus, wasn’t there a bag of trash in it? Who’s Trash?
Some of the people in here have responded to previous questions about the impound, but I have to ask again. Did a witness see the cars trunk open? Or did George just get in it and drive it in the garage to air out?
Hi Catherine,
Get your butt back soon
KIMCONJIM… you have such wisdom, at bargain basement prices no less!
When you said: “Some events happen in people’s lives that change them either positively or negatively. No experience is unique. Knowing that is the 1st step in healing.”
Are you talking about like when I said “I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous.” and when it happened it changed my life and it still hurts… especially my art work.
If that’s a joke it’s very funny.
If you’re serious then I am very sorry.
Concerned,
The backed up car could have a simple explanation. She was raiding her parents freezer in the garage in order to make dinners for her new boy friend.
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Concerned about Caylee, your not going to believe this but once again, I agree with you in what you said in your 3:34 pm post. That is EXACTLY the way I see it.
Do you think that maybe we are twins who were separated at birth?
kimcon22000… it is a joke! So, laugh with GUSTO and that will be $350.00.
Now, I think I made my money back.
Allie,
An employee from the wrecking yard was present when George opened the trunk for the first time. The plastic bag removed was retrieved by LE the next day.
The employee testified that a pizza box, maggots and some other junk were visible in the bag.
thank you snooker…
So why did the smell in the car stay inside for so long?
Monday Morning Therapist, LMAO at the twins separated a birth angle.
I was thinking maybe I had multiple personalities and one of them was Monday Morning Therapist. Every time I read a post of yours, I think: Did I write that when I wasn’t looking?
concern,
your post 3:34 seems to be the best of the best. Sound logical…
So what your take on how monster did it?
Allie,
I think some fluids from a decomposing body did leak on the carpet in the trunk.
LE did mention a stain.
Snookers, are you trying to say the pizza made the stench in the car Lee mentioned and Cindy, George, the tow truck driver and homicide cop all described as the smell of a decomposing body and the smell a cadaver dog allerted on.
Many experts have said on the Nancy Grace show that once you’ve smelled a dead body you know what it smells like and it doesn’t smell like decaying pizza.
In fact, one of the TV stations did an experiment and put pizza in a car trunk for a week and said when they took it out it didn’t smell at all. Cindy just made the pizza was the horrible smell theory because she doesn’t want to admit to the public that her granddaughter’s dead body was in her daughter’s car. That blows the defense’s claim that Caylee is alive and the nanny stole her.
OMG concerned and mmt,
Same poster with two monikers again LOL
Better watch it
I know it sounds as if this is my first day in here. LOL, but I do believe that the info from the begining is the best to go by. All that come after can be misconstrued by others opinions.
thanks guys I’ll keep reading on….
Concerned,
Not at all. Am sure that the maggots and dead flies were already run thru forensics. There are many different species of flies and certain ones only are attracted to fresh cadavers and that is not overprocessed pizza.
Allie, you asked me how I thought Casey murdered Caylee. I think she ordered the chloroform on the Internet with plans to murder George and Cindy and Caylee in their sleep so Amy and Casey could live in the Anthony home and have parties day and night. She told Amy her parents were getting a divorce and signing over their house to her.
However, before she could kill them, Cindy and Casey got into a big fight June 15 over Casey stealing her grandfather’s assisted living funds and Cindy said she wanted Casey to move out. So she changed her plans and decided death was too easy for her mother. She wanted her to suffer so she killed Caylee, the only thing her mother loved.
Some psychiatrists have said that Casey is punishing her parents, law enforcement, the world, for perceived wrongs by what she did to Caylee and keeping quiet about it.
Concerned about Caylee…you are too funny!
But, I have done the same thing when reading your comments.. I have to look back to make sure that I wasn’t the one who wrote it. LOL
Well, this is Sybil … leaving to go to my one person chat room for people with multiple personalities.
BBL
Hi All,
Not Sybill here 🙂
Did you already discuss and hear the news that Zanida has hired a lawyer and plans on suing, Momster?
Concern,
I don’t think she is that quiet about it, we’re just not the people shes talking too..
Shes a bragger, in my opinion, she likes and lives to make up things so she sounds impressive to everyone she meets…
Event cordinator? Yeah, more like the uneducated counter person who takes the fun shot. Minimum wage job!
Do tell Amy……EXCITEMENT
Zenaida, honey, I’m sorry but Momster ain’t got no money (and there are LOTS of Zenaida’s out there who could hop on the same bandwagon)so I’m afraid you’re really out of luck!
The only interesting angle would be if her lawyers were able to find out if monster has money – as in who is paying if not Baez, then the PR firm and the investigators he hired? I still want to know that.
Well, I just read online, that the actual Zanedia has hired a legal eagle, named John Morgan, she’s had many hardships since her name has been attached to this case.. more info at wftv.com
Just heard about the 2 million movie deal…
How is this possible? Where’s the love for this missing child? No body seems to even care about her anymore.
good night everyone…I had fun..
Well, M can take credit for homicide event coordinator or coordinator of chaos.
The article about Zenaida is on wftv.com
Very interesting.
Not sure her lawyer is just going after Monster. Might be the Ants too. Because lawyer said, “Morgan said his client’s private life has been turned upside down. They want a settlement that could be partly paid out of the Anthony homeowner’s insurance policy.”
The only way that would work is if C & G are sued too. So that might be why they hired Nejame because of things they said before.
And he does mention the potential movie and book deals.
Amy, is the Zenaida Gonzalez hiring a lawyer and suing Casey a joke or for real? The only real Zenaida we know of is homeless, jobless and broke. How can she afford an attorney?
Casey Anthony isn’t the one to sue. She is also homeless, jobless and broke and going to prison for many years on fraud and hopefully murder charges. Casey can’t profit from any books or movies about the disappearance of Caylee if she is convicted. Is this just another lawyer looking for his 15 minutes of fame?
My hats off to Mark Klaas who’s daughter (Polly) was kidnapped and murdered. MARK stepped up to the plate IMMEDIATELY to take a polygraph and eliminate himself as a suspect so that the authorities could go out and focus on the REAL killer. Come on Cindy, George, Lee and Casey……HOW ABOUT IT??? IF you have nothing to hide………why not eliminate yourselves???????????? For pete’s sake…….some of Casey’s friends have already taken one!!!! Even Mark Klaas didn’t feel the need to have an “attorney” tell him not to take the polygraph!!!!!!! Just makes the world more suspicious of all of the Anthony’s.
NEWSFLASH ZENAIDA….change your name if your life has become that miserable that you have to add to the circus of fame. This story and case has changed my life forever too…..it will always be in my heart for this little girl. Should I sue too?????????? ridiculous.
Oh, horrors.
Always that possibity that M could be acquitted. Then lawyer for Zenaida could collect in civil suit with Zenaida getting a small portion of it.
This Zenaida however, does she have Fernandez as part of her name. Never saw that on her testimony or on her thingy for Saw grass apartments. Always wondered where the Fernandez came from.
I read the story about Zenaida and her wanna be TV star attorney. Seems he owns a big firm and likes to make TV commercials. Like Baez and NeJame, I’m sure he’ll be appearing on Good Morning America, Nancy Grace, Fox and all the local stations to get publicity for himself, not Zenaida, who sounds like she is trying to make money off the Anthonys. Cindy and George didn’t make up the story. Why should their homeowners insurance pay for a lawsuit against their spoiled brat daughter. Casey has no money, no job and no future outside of prison.
Just watch the 1,000 other Zenaida’s and their attorneys who want to cash in on the Anthony bandwagon run to the courtroom to file their lawsuits also.
Shame on all of them for desecrating the memory of a little girl who is lost and forgotten.
So many people are trying to profit financially from Caylee’s tragic story. Just shows what the world cares about more $$$$$. What about the life of a little girl that was given no choice about her demise? I have a beautiful blond-haired, blue-eyed 2 year old grandaugher that no money in the world could replace her and no WAY would I protect the person(s) who harmed her in anyway.
CAC – “Ambulance chaser” type attorneys like the one Zenaida has will often work on a contingency. Like if she gets any money he gets 30% or more. And likely he contacted her or someone told her to try it and she found him.
What I do feel badly about is that she did lose her job because of this. However if it was me I’d be suing the jerks who own the company that fired me. Probably a better case there – and chance for $ – than with monster and Ants.
I read (but can’t remember where), that the names that casey came up with for “leads” were possibly names taken from her high school classmates but switched around. Ie…, she went to school with a Juliette but name wasn’t lewis. ie…Zenaida was in her class but last name wasn’t Gonzales or Fernandez, however she did have atleast 4 Gonzales’ in her classmate list. Don’t know…..but makes sense?? Sorry, can’t lead you to where I heard this though, I’ve read alot of blogs. So don’t take it as a “fact” since I can’t quote where it came from.
C a C, with this I totally agree:
“I think Casey punished her mother by taking away the only thing she cared about: Caylee. I also think she is enjoying watching Cindy suffer. I think Cindy blames herself and that’s why she is protecting Casey.”
Are you the one that held onto the drowning-in-the-pool theory from the onset? Or is that someone else?
Gumshoe, I never bought the story that Caylee drowned in the swimming pool. Reporters said the cops thought that at the beginning.
I don’t think the cops believe that anymore now that the air tests came back that the air in the trunk was saturated with chloroform and Casey’s computer showed searches on chloroform.
I always thought from the beginning Casey murdered Caylee to get away from her mother and so she could party hardy without dragging a toddler from boyfriend to boyfriend and club to club.
In fact, every time someone said on the board, “I think it was an accident,” I would post that it was not an accident, it was murder.
Hello,
I’m new here. I really enjoy reading all your comments!
The reason I think m actually picked a name for a nanny/kidnapper, is in other cases like Susan smith, she was really vague about who she claimed took her sons, therefore m wanted her story to be more believable. So therefore in m’s play she gave all characters names.
Also I love watching Nancy Grace.
Source Says Casey Said Caylee Was Sold To Someone In Puerto Rico
POSTED: 5:24 pm EDT September 24, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Is there a Puerto Rico connection to Caylee Anthony’s disappearance or is it just another lie from Casey? Sources who knew the family intimately during the past few months told Eyewitness News that Casey convinced her mother that Caylee was sold to someone in Puerto Rico.
You can find mention of the Puerto Rico connection buried in the documents investigators just released. On July 22, after Caylee was reported missing, Casey’s former best friend, Amy Huizenga, got a text message in the middle of the night from an unidentified person about a trip she and two of Casey’s friends took to Puerto Rico.
“Won’t take a genius or the Feds to start talking to you guys about the trip, because you three left at different times to [go] out of the country while Caylee was unaccounted for. Know what I mean?” Huizenga’s friend wrote.
The friend then asked: “You guys keep your ticket stubs?” and “Just out of curiosity why did you, Troy and Ricardo go to Puerto Rico separately?”
Wednesday, sources who spent a lot of time with the family in recent weeks, told Eyewitness News that when Casey got out of jail the first time, she convinced her mother that she sold her daughter to someone in Puerto Rico. The only interview Cindy’s done since then is with Telemundo, where she talked about a tip that Caylee was in Puerto Rico.
But Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who originally sprung Casey from jail, told Eyewitness News on Wednesday that it’s just another crazy lie cooked up by Casey.
“Baby’s dead. Baby’s deceased,” he said.
Padilla said he stationed a female employee in the house for nine days with Casey and claims Casey confided in her regularly, but never said anything about Puerto Rico.
“Her whole methodology the whole nine days that the young lady was in there with her was one of denial, guilt, that she had done away with her own daughter,” Padilla said.
Those same exclusive sources close to the family also told Eyewitness News that Casey confides in Cindy a lot, while her father George spends most of the day away from the two women and, if he is home, he keeps to himself.
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The “source” sounds to me like Lee (or Jesse).
I say Lee, because he did call/text all Casey’s friends. And also he is the only one I think would say Casey confided in Cindy.
Maybe Jesse, because he would like to believe Caylee is alive and not harmed at all by M.
Just another bunch of BS
caylee has stolen america’s heart: You’re right. Various people – possibly reporters, cops, Padilla’s crew or all of them as well as childhood friends of Monster’s – did report on those names as possibly coming from Monster’s younger days. The problem is that it really is THIS Zenaida who filled out an application to look at the Sawgrass apartments and who drives a car similar to the one Monster describes. So I think that’s why some focused on her. It really is a shame she lost her job and I don’t mind someone trying to help her right that wrong. Just wish it wasn’t this way – with the ambulance chaser shyster.
Gumshoe – thank you for the update! The stories are unending! My question is: “Where’s the money?” If monster sold her it was for more than the price of a manicure and tattoo! How would someone hide money like that? Get it in cash and keep it hidden someplace? Also the cops have known for a long time about the people who went to Puerto Rico. I would think all of that would have been investigated by now. Not difficult to find out if any toddlers were on the plane. I think at that age they have to have a ticket.
Loved your last line: “Just another bunch of B.S” Yep!
Gale, Susan Smith claimed it was a carjacker – a stranger – who pulled her out of the car and took off with the two boys. In this case Monster is trying to pin it on someone she claims to have known for years. So she had to have a name.
C a C, ok so you are the one whose theory most matches mine.
I think that she was drugging Caylee to sleep in the trunk, unnoticed by passersby, and unable to get out of a car seat and maybe knock the car out of gear.
After reading all the documents,the ohter evidence, and finding out just what led up to the day Caylee disappeared, I believe Casey killed her in a fit of rage against Cindy. Maybe because, as some here said, Caylee was crying for Cindy, or she had dirtied her diaper and Casey already enraged at Cindy took it out on Caylee. I have believed from the start that Caylee was drugged to sleep and died in the trunk. Now I am thinking Casey may have just strangled her right there in that apartment complex where she says she left her. Her friends lived there across the street. If that’s so, then that would make sense that she did go back to that apt complex “staked out” and sleep in her car. She didn’t know what to do with a dead body and returned to the scene of the crime for a few days.
Gumshoe wrote: “Now I am thinking Casey may have just strangled her right there in that apartment complex where she says she left her. Her friends lived there across the street. If that’s so, then that would make sense that she did go back to that apt complex “staked out” and sleep in her car. She didn’t know what to do with a dead body and returned to the scene of the crime for a few days.”
My theory is that Caylee was crying for Grandma maybe at Tony’s apartment while everyone else was at work and Casey was on Facebook on the computer. Casey goes into a rage and grabs the chloroform and chloroformed Caylee and put her in the trunk to shut her up or she deliberately chloroformed her and put her in the trunk to kill her.
I’m with Lee. I don’t think Casey would stake out an apartment in a car smelling of a dead body. The way I don’t think Casey would like smelling like a dead body. She strikes me as someone who likes to be smelling of soap, herbal shampoos, perfumes, liquores and sex. I’m sure she ditched the body and then the car as soon as the body stinking up the car.
C a C, however she did it, she indeed did it.
I’m not a detective either, but I always want to know what goes on in a murderer’s head, what drove them to do what is, to sane people, the unthinkable. What makes a person so cold that they cannot feel another’s pain, or cannot feel remorse, or guilt.
I am never surprised by the murder of a child by her/his mother anymore. But I always want to know why.
hello everyone how goes it ? waiting for nancy grace to come on, any new news ?
my twocents: I usually agree with your blog but in the case of Zenaida saying she lost her job because of all this, I’m not so sure that is true. Zenaida did make that statement, but most employers are well aware of laws that protect employees from being “fired” for unlawful reasons. I had been in management for many years and firing someone without just cause used to be something most employers stressed to management. Alot of states are an at “at will” state to work and that means that an employer can fire you without having to give you a reason. And I think if they DID fire her for the reason she claimed, they probably wouldn’t have told her that…..they would have probably said “job performance” or some other excuse. This is just speculation on my part, and I believe Zenaida could have a job tomorrow if she wanted one. She’s already been cleared, so what is the problem? You don’t hear others in the world claiming they lost their job because their name was “Scott Peterson” or “Susan Smith”……..we PROBABLY WILL NOW! lol. You must have a kind heart to feel the compassion for her, but things are not always as they seem???? Hope were still blog friends?
Good Evening Ladies & Gentlmen,
I just got done reading some of the new documenmts that were released yesterday. I can not believe some of the bull sh-t that M jammed down the throats of her family, and her friends. This monster lies about everything. I especially like the dead squirrel theory as to why her auto smelled like death. Blaming her father for borrowing her car and running over the animals is just icing on the cake.
Was there not one person in M’s group that ever questioned any of the ridiculous stories she would come up with. How about the one that she told her friend Amy about her father having a mini stroke.
I read Tony Lazzaro’s statement about drug use. He said, no I don’t do drugs. Well Amy said he was M.’s supplier.
I think this monster may just get off with maybe 2-5 years max. There must be a problem with the DNA testing or they would have charged her already.
P.S. Welcome Gale
Gumshoe: I’m in the same boat as you…..why? Sadly, often we never find out. It’s hard for a normal thinking person to fathom that jealousy could be enough to take a child’s life by her own mother. How could a mother want to hurt her own mother enough, be able take her own childs life? (making assumptions, not actual facts as of yet). There have been so many studies done on the Ted Bundy’s, Jeffrey Dahmer’s, (mass murderers) etc. in this world to try to figure out the why’s??????? There haven’t been “many” studies on the average “parent” who has killed her child because the majority of them refuse to admit they did it. Casey will be one of those. She will take it to the grave as stated in her myspace blog…….”trust no one”…..she means you to Mr. Baez….
Hey Sabrina
What’s new cutie?
Catherine: what website did you find the new documents on?
Caylee HSAH
orlandosentenial.com
Has anyone seen Kris?
hi catherine bump your booty lol i’m regrouping from bday, hubby bought me pots and pans as a together aniversary and bday present ugh ! so i made him take me out for dinner and on the way home made him pull into sears where i bought some very expensive parfume !
hubby gets 25 days per year to take when he wants, he took friday and monday and teusday all together 5 days ugh again i swear our mairage is over when he retires
haven’t seen kris, i really haven’t been on much for the past 5 days
Sabrina,
Bump you booty too. Perfume is more like it. Keep the pots and pans in the box.
Gumshoe,I think the explanation for Casey’s behavior is she is a sociopath. She thinks only of her own self. She pretended to be the perfect mother but it was only an act.
As a sociopath she is incapable of real emotions so she never bonded with or loved Caylee, her parents or her brother. She feels nothing so it doesn’t matter to her that Caylee is dead. She blames everyone else for her behavior so she is pinning it on an imaginary nanny.
Casey is obsessed with her appearance and men. She has veneers, probably breast enhancements, a curvy body and always has the perfect smile for the camera. Her makeup is always perfect. Her hair always looks like she just walked out of the beauty shop. She has several boyfriends at once and goes from one to another.
She steals from people around her, lives off her family and men and lies about having a job because she doesn’t want to be responsible for taking care of herself. She’s never had to take the consequences for her behavior until now.
Sabrina,
You need to catch up. Six hundred pages of new docs. have been released. I read about half of them so far. That monster is pure evil. Waking up in the middle of the night, sweating from nightmares. I wonder why? Yet she still has time to get her nails done.
lol catherine i wanted to stack the pots and pans on his head, how can a man be married 23 yrs and not know i don’t like those type of gifts, i swear he’s brain dead, i have told him over and over…if in doubt buy me jewelry always jewels ! and if not just leave it to me i’ll get what i want ! after first christmas together and he bought me a ironing board and iron !i looked at him as if i know your kidding me !
catherine for some reason i’m not able to access those documents…my pc did a blue screen nearly 6 months ago now doesn’t work properly no volume etc…
Concerned,
M.s mother called her a sociopath. Why didn’t C. go for custody of Caylee? C. knew it was just a matter of time before this mosnter snapped.
In monster’s own words “maybe I’m a spiteful bitch” there is no maybe about it. She hated being a mother, and I truly think she never bonded with Caylee. Monster looked at Caylee as C.’s daughter. She hated her mother so much that she took the one thing that her mother loved more than life itself. Monster knew Caylee death would be the ultimate punishment to her mother for making her keep Caylee.
catherine 100% agree ! my hubby said it wasn’t to much for the ants to ask casey to babysit for one night, i say it was, you don’t bring home a dog and tell others they have to take care of it, she never wanted the child ever there for don’t try to make her responsbe, not making excuses for casey yet if she didn’t want the child then you have to assume responsibilty
no she never wanted to be a mother, cindy refused to take it like that for what ever reason and forced casey into being a mother unfortunate for caylee there were so many other ways to go about it
Hello everyone…Been trying to catch up on the case a little have not been feeling to well lately. I read the interview with Tony and boy oh boy I can only say from that speech pattern that he must have been on drugs at one time.
The one thing that caught my attention the most was that when the confrontation occured at Tony’s house after Cindy arrived, I was completely shocked that the first thing out of her mouth wasn’t, “Where’s my granddaughter!”, she focused more on the material injustices and getting her daughter out of the house. It just didn’t come accross as any other grandmother would act in that same situation, and made me rethink again of Cindy’s knowledge and or involvement. Even the officer had to repeat again and ask…”She did not bring up Caylee at that time?”. That freaked me right out. Anyonelse have a red flag on that?
Caylee has stolen America’s heart: I saw an interview with Zenaida on TV and it was the reporter who said she lost her job because of it. Zenaida worked for an hispanic cleaning company (the kind that cleans office buildings etc). The boss said he didn’t want the company to be associated with her in case it reflected badly on his business and he was afraid he’d lose clients. I grant you that isn’t the kind of company she could sue very well and it may be an “at will” state but I still think they’re real stinkers for firing her. She really is just another victim in the Monster’s wide net of victims.
Also I thought I heard that good samaritans had come forward to help her with offers of work and a home/apartment. I’ll bet the shyster got his claws in her and in this litigious society I am not at all surprised that she’s trying to get money out of it.
casey could have taken thar baby most anywhere and left her and never had been contacted
Catherine, I think it is extremely difficult to get custody away from a mother. The courts are heavily in favor of mothers. C would have had to definitively prove that M was an habitual druggie and/or prosecuted her for theft and get her thrown in jail before she could get custody. And then M could have regained custody when she got out.
I’m afraid that lying and not having a job and even not having a home wouldn’t be enough to prove to a court that C should have custody. And just to hurt her I’m sure M would have fought it.
M. was a baby having a baby. The resentment she felt for C. for making her keep Caylee was eating away at M. day aftet day. When she killed Caylee in her mind she was really killing C.
that’s right catherine !
Caylee has stolen America’s heart: Sorry! I just read the last line of your note to me. Of course we’re still friends! We’re discussing stuff and sometimes see things differently but I love that! That’s one of the best parts of talking because we all learn things – we might learn things we still don’t agree with or we might see something from a different angle and agree or even think of a third possibility!
So never never worry that a friendship will be damaged by disagreement! If that were the case I should just talk to myself! LOL!
mytwocents,
Lee stated to police that his sister and mother have always had a rocky relationship. He admitted how his sister lied, and stole from her parents. C’s mistake was not seeking out a professional to assist her in gaining custody of Caylee. C. never provided for Caylee since she was born. That in itself is proof that M. could care less about the needs of her child from day one.
i gotta get off, much needed rest after hubby went into work tonight
Talk to you later, Sabrina
Catherine, I too think Casey was killing two birds with one stone when she suffocated Casey with chloroform and put her in the car trunk. She was giving herself freedom from her mother and her daughter and she was making her mother suffer. I think she enjoys watching Cindy suffering over the loss of Caylee because she believes Cindy replaced her with Caylee.
Concerned,
Exactly.
I just read the article about Zenaida retaining a lawyer. I hope she is able to get some justice from all of this, maybe they will find a legal way to recoup from the profits the Anthony’s will make off the Lifetime movie and book rights the accepted. She was definintely a victim in all of this. It just seems the list of people never ends all to cover for the monster that’s lying.
Sabrina; My dear husband started out much the same. You don’t know how many different kinds of flashlights he’s given me over the years. Yes. Flashlights! But at least he 1) knew it was my birthday and (2) wanted to get me something. So that’s a great start. And over the years I’ve trained him so that now he says:
“Your birthday is coming up. What am I giving you?” 🙂 Even when I think I’ve dropped some very broad hints. So I say “well I’d love some perfume” or whatever. And then I even offer to pick it up (save him the trip to a store that would be more alien to him than Mars). Some guys just need a little help knowing what gift to give. They just cannot think of these things themselves. I do empathize, my friend. I’ve been there!
Kris, have they (has M?) really accepted movie/book rights offers? The last I heard that idiotic Tim Black of the PR firm said they were putting the offers in a drawer for the time being to pull out later “if needed” or something to that effect. It sure should not be legal for M to accept any such offers at this point should it? Is it? We need a legal expert on this blog! Anyone know one?
This case is like a recipe with too many ingredients. Unless Caylee’s body is found the recipe does not turn out. This mosnter is going to get away with cold blooded murder. Sure she will serve a few years in jail, and maybe some inmate will do society a favor and take her out, but what about Caylee?
I just read that today…From Lifetime tv network. Accepted the deal. I’ll try to find the article and link it in here…brb.
I’m in a speculating mood and I agree with the premeditated murder scenarios above. And I can also envision a slightly different version.
An example:
Say, M takes a nap, gets up, can’t find Caylee, goes out back and finds the child in the pool. I can just imagine her stomping her foot in anger at the child. Saying “s..t, now mom’s really going to be P.O.’d. Well serves her right for making me keep her” or “…for loving her more than me.” And then coldly going about disposing of the body and getting on with the life she really wanted.
And then when it all came to light, she spun a tale of abduction to divert her mother’s anger at her and secretly love watching her mother suffer.
Got the link… It says sources closest to the family state they signed a movie deal already.
link is below just type http: (beforehand).
//www.wftv.com/news/17550330/detail.html
Hi Kris,
How are you? I just read an article about Maddy Mc Cann. It seems a little girl told someone that a lady took her from her mummy. Did you see the article? I think it was from Newster.
Kris, I believe you! I just hadn’t heard it.
I can’t believe that’s legal! Wish somebody would put a stop to this!!!!
But I remember what a guest on NG said when the offers were first mentioned. It may not be true. But the guest thought that the offers would hinge on whether M told where the child was. That no one would be interested in just printing the story ( or showing it on TV or a movie) that she’s told so far because that would not sell. I’ll hold on to that hope for now.
mytwocents,
My theory is: M. killed Caylee in a rage. I think she may have physically abused her, and stuffed a rag in her mouth, so no one could hear her cry. Caylee may have not be able to breathe and she died.
Hi Catherine, When was that article? Recently? I usually get google alerts on the missing kids (Maddy & Caylee) but I may have missed something.
Mytwocents…I almost feel in my gut that this may have happened because of the conflict within the family already. What I mean is… let’s just say for an instant that the parents of monster are starting to accept that monster did the unthinkable, and even circling their wagons…Why on earth would that want her and her lawyer to cash in on the movie deals? I think in their eyes maybe it was more about stopping monster from reaping rewards if they knew her guilt in their hearts. Sort of like a race to see who gets there first. I think it’s wrong either way, but their intent could have been out of anger against monster gaining monetarily. I think it is bad either way, it is not going to benefit finding this baby or her remains…and I hope in the long run Zenaida gets it all or the county steps in for reimbursement with a lawyer of their own.
BRB
brb…our kittens just knocked something over.
Hi, Catherine! I agree about custody. I’m just saying it’s not easy and judges can’t be trusted to make the “right” choice. How many times has a judge returned a child to horribly abusive parents and the child died? It’s awful!
And it would have been dangerous because what if C had lost the battle? Given the lies M can tell who knows what she would have told a judge? And by then C might have alienated M enough to lose even visiting rights.
These are real sticky issues and our society doesn’t cope well with them. Young mothers like M are forced to have the kid AND take care of it. Few approve of abortion and then who in M’s family would approve of letting the child be adopted? Would look bad for the family at the very least (in society’s/friends’ eyes) Kids are bounced around in foster care – different homes each time. Kids are returned to abusive homes.
I just wish people would realize that not every woman is going to be a good mom. And usually the one who suffers most is the child.
If it was up to me the very first time a child was found to be neglected or abused would be the very last time that parent got anywhere near them. There are people who would love the children and care for them. But usually they aren’t taken out of those homes until they are so screwed up they turn out to be sociopaths or worse themselves or they’re dead. Society and the judicial system really need to wake up to reality!
Catherine,
I heard that story about Maddy too, they discounted it because she didn’t go by Maddy and there were a few other things too. This was awhile ago though (when the police records were made public) – I believe it was a convenience store citing.
I understand your thinking twocents in your post. Just this past week on our news here locally, there was a teenager arrested for murder, they found the body of a newborn (just born w/parial umbilicol cord) inside of a shoebox thrown out in a trash can behind a bontanical garden (huge public accessed greenhouse). They tracked the person down using the barcode on the shoe box found the store and the exact purchaser. It seems she did not think everything out before doing this, and they charged her with murder.
The story being sad enough in itself was made even sadder yet because there are laws here which protect young mothers who wish to relinquish their newborns within the first 5 days after giving birth…meaning no fear of prosecution if they give them to either the local fire dept or to a church. This teen lived right next door to a church and a couple blocks walk from a fire dept. but her lawyer says she didn’t know about these protection laws. So this child could have lived and now to make it even sadder yet..tonights news said that she is trying to claim the baby was not breathing at birth…but rumor has leaked that tests conducted have proved otherwise. I tell you I am just so sick to my stomach with mothers like this…Where the hell do they come from!
elle..Do you follow Madeleine’s case too? If so what did you think about the CCTV footage outside the bank in Belgium almost a couple months back? I am convinced that was her, even though the media tried to say differently….noone believes them on it.
First of all the Zenaida lawsuit will not anywhere. The lawyer and Zenaida stated that Casey gave LE her name and her kids names which Casey did not give them the kids names that was released by the media.
Dak… I think if there is a will there is a way..She would not have one of the most prominent lawyers hook up with her (Zenaida), if he did not think he could make good of the laws to get something big from this. I am sure he is handling it himself from what I read, and she was dragged through the mud. Smart men who are prominent well known lawyers in any given area do not take on things pro bono..that they think they could lose out on.
So if someone does something criminal and mentions my name even if I’m not the one associated with crime, just my name then I can sue too.
Kris,
The site was newser.
I just got lawyered up with two sister attorneys, whose names are…
Ryes and Sue Kasie!
My suit is due to the monster’s despicable deed and her outrageous dance with the devil. It has caused my family to think I’m nuts because my main concern is justice for Caylee. It has confined me to my computer almost 24/7. I’ve become obsessed with this case and all the characters. I’ve even developed a guilt complex for not being out there spending money, thereby, not contributing to boosting our economy and I’ve become codependent with the bloggers on this site!
Now, all kidding aside, I do believe that the only guilty person we have in this case is monster herself. From day one, I have always believed that she deliberately took Caylee’s life. Knowing now that monster was searching chloroform websites has only reinforced my belief of her premeditation. I think that at one time she even thought seriously about killing C& G as well. But, due to the fuming argument on 6/15, plans changed.
Dak:If you suffered negative reprecussions because of that mention ..I sure as hell would think you’d have every right.
Mytwocents, I can’t believe that you still believe Caylee drowned in the pool and Casey dumped her body in a dumpster after trying to bury her in the back yard and carting the body around in her trunk for a few days.
Nancy Grace has always debunked the accident theory as have I. Nancy always says if your child dies in an accident, you call 911, you don’t try to bury her in the backyard or dump her body in a dumpster.
Nancy Grace got furious today when Mark Williams, the crack reporter on her show, brought up the accidental drowning in the swimming pool. She said that doesn’t fit with the chloroform found in the trunk of the car and Casey’s computer search for chloroform.
Nancy also got furious with the two defense attorneys when they said there is not enough evidence to charge Casey with a crime. Nancy always maintains they have enough DNA and circumstantial evidence for a first degree murder conviction.
elle,
Yes, it was in a convenience store. I just saw it today, and thought it was a new sighting.
MMT…First parts too funny..lol , and the second more serious part makes sense too, I could agree to that.
Again, Monday Morning Therapist, you took the words out of my computer. We were posting at the same time.
Monday Morning Therapist wrote and I agree 100 per cent. “I do believe that the only guilty person we have in this case is monster herself. From day one, I have always believed that she deliberately took Caylee’s life. Knowing now that monster was searching chloroform websites has only reinforced my belief of her premeditation. I think that at one time she even thought seriously about killing C& G as well. But, due to the fuming argument on 6/15, plans changed.”
Okay i just listened to the interview with John Morgan Zenaidas lawyer and he says that Zenaida can help them solve this case by restoring her good name. He said she was in hiding(yeah rifht) people in hiding shouldn’t have myspace pages. Amd he said Casey gave the cops the name of her(Zenaida’s) kids. Casey never did that so Zenaida is lying.
Is there any more mention of Equsearch? Or anyone thinking they may have initial testing back on something found already..but may possibly be waiting for final testing to come back? I am still hoping they found something to wipe that smug grin off her assured puss.
Maybe that’s true Dak..but how can it be proven about the kids names for certain? There is so much paperwork out there that was released to the public on this case that I could imagine it would be hard to find.
Dak, there are people out there who think M’s telling the truth. So I would not be surprised if Zenaida is afraid for her life and for her children. And I did hear recently that C told somebody about Zenaida and her children. Just hearsay but just as possible as the other version.
hi all glad to see your all still here. now i’m not staying up again so late, 2 nights on here lol and boy am i tried, so I am reading some of your blogs.
MNT
thanks I did have alot of help from salvation army, and a time when we needed them. they are a great organization. luckily after that rough period in my life, I became employed, and have since ( through sheer hard work and willpower ) gotten on my feet.. and am doing remarkable considering then tragedy hit me after all that, and have somehow with gods help come back to my old self. I was devastated to say the least losing liz’s father.. i look back now and think my god if I made it through all that, I’m gonna be OK i think !… and of course my girl gives me all the reasons in the world to get back up every day.. i dont actually credit myself, but a far higher power.. that i do know…
some people don’t realize all they do ( salvation army and others like them), i saw so many donations and help for people who just really needed some help, and just plain encouragement…so thanks for the talk about it. small world we do indeed live very close. my girlfriend lives around 21 mile rd or hall rd. I am from the garden city area…
maybe you are my monday night therapist? LOL the lord moves in mysterious ways.. after reading the above blogs i think your charging for therapy?? or are you paying? LOL how much do I owe ya??LOL :O)
as far as tonights NG and M case, well, its just more of the same disturbing documents, and no closer to finding caylee really, i know in my heart there will be justice that we all know, will we ever know what really happened…
Okay The lawyer is full of crap saying that when all this happened Zenaida was between jobs. According to her last TV interview she said she was fired when all this happened because of her name.
MMT,
Part A-I think I should also retain the services of an attorney for the same reasons you stated above.
Part B-Totally agree. M, murdered Caylee, and I don’t believe it was an accident.
Zenaida was working for a commercial cleaning company. The owner of the company was afraid he would lose business because Zenaida was linked by name only to the Anthony case. Sounds like she has a case against the employer.
Dak, here you go again. You go after the police, the media and now Zenaida anyone who is saying anything negative about Casey. Are you sure you aren’t Lee? You sound just like her big brother.
I’m not buying the accident theory because of her statements prior, the maybe I am a spiteful bitch, and comments she made, and i believe at some point she either lost it with caylee, or…. she had actually decided long ago to do this, hence the chloroform… then again i sometimes wonder after reading the docs, if lee spoke so openly about the smell then that told me they all had to know what had happened and then a coverup..maybe she has even at this point told them the truth, padilla said that too… maybe since she told them they now are helping her becausse she came clean with them at least, one never knows whats going on in there…
I agree Catherine but she told her lawyer she wasn’t working she was between jobs so which is it. I personally think she is trying to get publicity. her lawyere said she turned down money for interviews, yeah right. I don’t think it will get far, and I don’t think the homeowners policy settlement will happen unless Casey is on the policy.
Concerned about Caylee: I didn’t mean to say that I believe the pool business nor do I necessarily believe it was an accident. I was just giving an example of an “accident” due to neglect. A better example would be M having accidentally overdosed her with chloroform and upon finding the body been angry about the “irritating situation.” I mean I can see her reacting to both deliberate and accidental murder exactly the same way. She’s cold, selfish, and right now very happy to see her parents suffering.
MMT – Tomorrow morning I’m going to contact the law firm of “Ryes and Sue Kasie!” and suggest that we bring a class action suit against Monster. All of us!!! 🙂
did i miss something, from reading is zaneida now doing a lawsuit?
Dak…Do you feel personally that Zenaida suffered an injustice because of this? Just curious. I think yes, definitely and it could go on for a long time if she doesn’t speak out about it. Let’s say she didn’t say anything for herself to the media, for years to come employers could scratch their heads when seeing a job application saying, “Hmmm… now where have I heard that name before….?”
OKAY Dak… stop the clock for a minute!
In monsters fabricated character … Zenaida didn’t have any children. Do you remember during monsters interrogation the investigator asked her if Zenaida had kids? The answer was “no” Then he asked monster if Zenaida could have children and monster said as far as she knew, yes. Zenaida fairytale sister had two kids.
Dak, I don’t think a high powered attorney would have taken her case if there was nothing in it for him. Just my opinion.
No concerned I’m not for anyone I’m just for what I believe and hear. There are too many variables in this whole case and it gets more complicated with all the changes in stories adn accusations, leaks you name it this case was made way too public to begin with. The Documents that were just released and the ones from earlier didn’t need to be released and no one was making LE do it I think they did it to make this a high profile case. In the end I believe its all going to come back and bite them in the behind, and thats sad because something bad happened and someone is going to get awau with a seriuos crime. If they would have just done their job and not leaked all the info and made things public they wouldn’t have all the protesters and everything else. I believe they did all of it to get Casey to talk and guess what it didn’t happen and it won’t.
pammyliz…you are quite a woman and a great mom! You should be proud of all you have accomplished. You are setting a good example for your daughter.
Hey, my sister use to live in Garden City… on Bridge street. That’s the only street I know there. lOl
Ok MMT you just proved my point Casey said Zenaida didn’t have children but according to Zenaida Casey gave LE her childrens names so which is it.
I’m confused. Did M accept movie rights or did C& G or both?
Also a normal mother would call 911 after an accident but someone like M? No.
I’m not promoting the accident due to neglect theory. I’m just looking at it. Because to M finding her daughter dead due to her own negligence immediately her first thought would be “mom already thinks I’m an unfit mother and now look what happened (not my fault!)” so she’d cover it up knowing she’d never hear the end of it if she called 911 etc. As I said, I think her reaction to either an accident or murder would be exactly the same – the reaction we’ve seen all along.
Hello all! OK, I have been reading and not commenting, but I have to ask…Dak, what is your stand on this case? Are you an M supporter?? Half the time, you don’t make any sense. None of what M has said from the very beginning adds up. She is OBVIOUSLY guilty!! I don’t understand how you can not see that!
Does anyone know if the Police released the results of the stain in the trunk?
There is something in it for the Lawyer its called publicity. And I’m sorry I don’t think Zenaida was actually looking for a job and if she did, giving a motel address and phone number wouldn’t look good either. And if she isn’t working where is she getting the money to live off of. Disibilty, social security, etc then at least she is getting money. Also if she can sue Casey then what stops her from suing all the people on blogs and websites that degrade her name.
Besidea she’ll have a hard time making a case since Casey did make a statement that the Zenaida LE interviewed wasn’t the Zenaida she knew. So its going to be hard to prove Casey did it to her on purpose.
Dak… I feel that regardless of what monster said, kids, no kids, whatever….Zenaida did suffer an injustice which could affect her for years to come. We don’t know because of these lies who looks at her sideways on the street. Or if neighbors will not associate with her any longer because they may think their own thoughts because of that story made up. She will definitely be a name remembered, and if the Anthony’s did agree and sign this 2million movie deal… How the heck Dak do you think she feels that her name will be mentioned in that movie over, and over, and over again while someone else reaps the reward, and she loses her job, probably friends over this and much more… I think she should sue the pants off of them.
heatherri,
Welcome to our little group.
Welcome heatherll…You will fit right in! lol.
Dak, do you have a law degree? How many years have you been in LE? How much experience do you have being a news reporter? Have you ever prosecuted anyone? Are you a forensic scientist? Are you a psychiatrist? What exactly do you do for a living that you know so much about people, law, evidence and the news media?
Catherine I posted a link in one of the past blogs we were in that stated it was fluid with blood in it.
Heatherrl my stand is that CAsey is guilty possibly of murder but I am not personally convicting her based on circumstantial evidence. As for the interviews(Amy, Tony, etc) after what I read there is nothing substantial there either(hearsay). I am not and M. supporter but I’m also not a judge either.
Thanks guys! I enjoy reading all of your posts. I don’t get NG where I live, and so a lot of times, I miss things from just searching, but you guys lead me to them. I am just so frustrated as I am sure all of you are, and I can’t believe how much I search every day to see if they have arrested M yet!!!
Dakdude3 said,in September 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm Ok MMT you just proved my point Casey said Zenaida didn’t have children but according to Zenaida Casey gave LE her childrens names so which is it.”
Maybe it’s you misunderstanding the whole suit!
Dak,
Option A Monster was talking about Zenaida’s sister Samantha’s children.
Option B Monster stole the application Zenaida filled out from the rental office. The application listed her 2 children as other residents that would occupy the apartment.
MMT…..(applauding and whistling)! lol.
thanks MNT its been a long road to recovery and standing on my own feet, but I’m happy o say in the past few months it’s all starting to get better..and yes i know bridge street i grew up there went to the high school there. I know you wouldn’t wanna give names here on a forum but if you have an email maybe you could say her name LOL
as far as deaing DAK
well, some things you say i agree, but not all… i do think this is the most confusing, complicated case to even keep up with really. there are many theories, may possibilities, what we all do know is she did or let something happen to caylee… and her actions before, during and after speak volumes.. even without the whole story… i am not open anymore to the accident theory based on the docs just came out, now way…her own comments she made, make it look like something was about to happen, or something did happen…I cannot buy accident anymore i did for awhile believe that
alot of typos there, I’m tired lol you can translate…lol.. i have NG on in the background also, and hearing that voice of hers is making me nuts as i am typing, to hear more tales and craziness i am sick of.. what i want is truth now and burial for caylee. i am a believer in the soul cannot rest..
Dak…so all of the witnesses and dogs picking up on the dead body smell in the trunk was just a big coincidence? I know that if anything happened to any one of my kids…no matter what kind of “threats” I had, I would be calling the police immediately! None of it makes sense. You have a right to your opinion, but I guess I just don’t understand how people can not see the lack of concern, and all the other things as being that an innocent child was hurt, unless those people don’t have kids.
Okay Catherine Casey never mentioned the names of the children as Zenaida claims.
If Casey did mention childrens names show me the proof.
It is suspicious to me that Casey came up with the name Zenaida Gonzalez after a woman by that name had applied for the vacant apartment Casey claimed she left Caylee at on June 17, the day police believe Caylee’s dead body may be in Casey’s car trunk.
Even Jesse, Lee and Cindy, whom I believe are all covering up for Casey, claim she called the Nanny Zanny but never Zenaida until July 15 when she told the police the story about leaving Caylee with Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass Apartments and returning and they were gone.
Zanny is a nickname for Xanex and Zanny the Nanny is a children’s book character.
Casey might well have intended on framing that Zenaida for the kidnapping when she named her. I believe Padilla said the story she told him was that Zenaida drove the same color and make car that this Zenaida did when she stole Caylee in the park. She said Zenaida had no children but she said Samantha had two children.
That’s too much of a coincidence. I for one would not want to be walking around Orlando with the name Zenaida Gonzalez. She has every right to sue Casey but Casey has no money unless she is found not guilty of Caylee’s disappearance and can cash in on the $2 million Lifetime movie deal. Otherwise, George and Cindy will get it all and they will just pay Casey’s legal fees. But Zenaida couldn’t get it.
to the new person HEATHERRL
i go to this site by going first to google i type in casey anthony, it brings up alot of links but the top one i click on its all there everything every bit of this case, broken down and updated to todays date, theres stuff i found there that i missed… CNN i go to also but they really just have a bit of news not much and of course i come here in the am and pm LOL… i am clueless as to the zaneida lawsuit , i have to find out about this
Heatherrl I know there is alot evidence against Casey but like I said I am not going to convict her of murder until LE can prove she did it. And i do have children.
pammyliz… My sister and her husband are both teachers. Their last name is THEODORE
I hope M. has nightmares every night for the rest of her life.
Maybe she will repent and tell the truth about what she did to Caylee. I know it is far reaching, but if BB tells her there is no way out, she may plea down if she tells LE what happened to Caylee.
Actually if you read the recent statement by Picardo he said before Caylee went missing Casey did mention the name Zenita which could have been Zenaida just said wrong, but the names are close. So i don’t think Zenaida ws made up last minute.
Dak…just curious, do you feel that OJ is an innocent man just because he was not convicted? Was just wondering how you felt about evidence in that case and him being let off, was justice served in your opinion?
So did Casey tell LE the make and color of the car or Just Padilla.
Kris, Catherine… glad to have you guys back!
Welcome newbie heatherrl!
M2C…you cracked me up with your class action suit! LOL
Now I’m the one who’s applauding and whistling!
I also bet you didn’t know that Casey’s friend Kiomarie has a relative named Zenaida who has a sister named Samantha.
hmm. don’t recall theodore.. but i did live and grow up there. bridge was around the corner from moms..walked to school that way lol.. small world…i also graduated there.. many many moons ago…like 1980 eek!
as far as daks earlier post i do agree on some points there are many leaks in this case you never seen before… LE is almost doing it on purpose that i agree with but to say someone is gonna get away with this and it jeopardized this case? never.. didn’t with peterson either… and hes where he should be.. you notice you never hear of him or his parents looking for laci still? they claimed someone else did this etc…no, nothing no searches, no they just went away, just like C & G will do once m is behind bars.. their house will be quiet, noone will care anymore and for this i truly have empathy for not only them but the entire family surrounding them, its not just C & G caylee had aunts uncles, nieces nephews. extended family.. all victions of this
Kris i really didn’ pay any attention to O.Js trial years ago.
I find it very suspicious, Dakdude3 that your rages are all against anyone who dares incriminate Casey Anthony.
You pooh pooh any evidence that comes out. The air tests and DNAS evidence are not reliable. The investigators are coaching the witnesses.
The witnesses are all lying. Lie detector tests aren’t reliable. The prosecution are the bad guys for releasing evidence.
Now Zenaida is a liar and fraud for suing Casey Anthony.
Why don’t you rage against Casey for not cooperating with police in the search for her daughter?
Why don’t you rage against the Anthonys for cashing in on the death of their granddaughter and accepting $2 million for a Lifetime movie?
Or is all that a lie to perpetuated by a conspiracy of media and police.
Come on Dak you sound just like Baez and the Anthonys.
Maybe that’s true about Kiomarie Dak, but that only proves what the cops have been saying all along, that she lives in a fairytale land, grabbing and using names from her past, and people she knows or have heard of. Remember that monster always puts the lie nestled between something with a bit of truth in it, sort of like an oreo cookie.
Hey pammyliz… all I want to know is did you know Jim Harper? He’s the love of my life!
And I know that I would be his too if he only knew me. LOL
whats this crap about a 2 million dollar lifetime movie??? my god tell me this is a rumor.. I have to go to bed i can’t take it anymore LOL
its too much for my brain to absorb these developments…
MNT I’ll talk at you in the am or pm.. i stayed up till 2 last night with i think sabrina and another lol, and paid for it today
I wonder if Zenaida’s cleaning company cleaned the Fusian’s Club or some other place that monster went like Universal or C’s medical office.
Its true pammyliz..I posted the link above you can see it for yourself on the net.
love jim harper!!! used to listen all the time, I dont anymore, ( car has no radio) lol
but i grew up with jim harper, yes oh yes.. all of them lol
If she did Catherine, I’m sure her lawyer will dedeuce the places she worked at and pick up on the connection. Hopefully he will pass it on to the police too, and not just keep the info for the lawsuit.
Concerned about Caylee
Hey sister… you go girl! That’s the way to tell Dakster!
No wonder mom gave me away… you were the smarter twin! 🙂
god, I am gonna go look before i retire at the link, this i cannot F^&*( believe… what will the movie be about for gods sake the baby hasnt even been properly brought home and buried yet!!! i am alittle disappointed to hear LIFETIME would do this so soon
First of all Concerned I am not against anyone trying to convict casey I keep saying she is guilty, but until they can prove SHE did it i still remain neutral on conviction, As far as the Lie detector test, I never said evryone was lying just that lie detectors are not 100% reliable and the same with DNA. Just because there was DNA doesn’t make it solid. As far LE and the prosecution well all the leaks on evidence was something that needed to be released, no one told them to do it and now it has cuased more trouble than good. As far as Zenaida, if she is truly in hiding like she told her lawyer and is afraid to go anywhere then stop doinfg interviews.
Well, guys. I am tired tonight, so I am going to try and go to bed earlier than normal. It was nice meeting you all. I will be back tomorrow night. Hopefully some damning evidence will come soon!!
Dak…I like you better on your meds..lol!
Dakster…. Mr.Monk, you’re NOT!
Dakster… go back and read every blog you wrote since you’ve been in this site… all the way back to end of July or so and you will see that Concerned about Caylee is right on the money about you!
We’ll wait until you come back!
Never claimed to be a monk. I don’t listen or read evryting out there without overanalyyzing and see things maybe other people miss like earlier when I said Amy was suppossed to be her best friend and said she saw CAseys tattoo and it said Buena Vita when it said Bella Vida. now there’s a big inconsitncey
Dakdude3 said,in September 24th, 2008 at 9:47 pm Never claimed to be a monk. I don’t listen or read evryting out there without overanalyyzing and see things maybe other people miss like earlier when I said Amy was suppossed to be her best friend and said she saw CAseys tattoo and it said Buena Vita when it said Bella Vida. now there’s a big inconsitncey”
Or… maybe just a typo!
I don’t have read every blog I wrote in i know where I stand and sometimes the things I read don’t make sense and sometimes they do. I can’t help it if I don’t believe every single thing I read just because i think someone is guilty, at least I have an open mind and look at things differently
Dak,
How can you say you believe that M. is guilty, but remain nuetral on conviction?
Lie dectectors are very reliable but not admissable in court. As fofr DNA it can prove guilt 100% or not guilty 100%.
Keep in mind that the FBI has Caylee’s hair with decomposition on the sample.
How in the hell can you typo Buena Vita to bella Vida especially since Buena Vita is spanish and Bella Vida is italian. Go back and read Amy’s statement in the recent docs and then say typo.
Dak,
Amy was sure that it was a tatoo on her left shoulder. Does the actusl spelling really make a difference.
Catherine said,in September 24th, 2008 at 9:50 “How can you say you believe that M. is guilty, but remain nuetral on conviction? Lie dectectors are very reliable but not admissable in court. As fofr DNA it can prove guilt 100% or not guilty 100%. Keep in mind that the FBI has Caylee’s hair with decomposition on the sample.”
Dakster… Catherine’s right on with that!
Well then let it come up in court. And by the way I have reaearched several websites on lie detectors and yes someone can lie and pass.
I can’t believe Dak…that after a few months have gone by, you are still no closer to switching jerseys and playing for the other team yet. You are like the Scott Norwood of your day in the final seconds of the super bowl you will kick it to the right of the goal post and have to sell hotdogs from a cart on the street when all is said and done.
Just trying to get your dander up Dakster and it’s working!
TYPO! lol
Well Catherine if someone says for a fact that is what they say or read and it isn’t a fact why should I believe evrything they say> i’m sure Amy is a wonderful person, and alot of what she has said was correct or atleast seemed correct except that.
DAk, I’m sure it is possible, but rare. Monster lies, but is not good at it as proven by the detectives that interviewed her at Universal.
No Kris i don’t wear jerseys and I don’t take sides either. I’m just not that closedminded(no offense to anyone) to automatically accuse someone of murder. All you have is DNA and statements from people and dogs smelling decomp. It may be enough to prove someone is dead but doesn’t say who that someomone is.
To all my beautiful bloggers… I’m in a silly mood tonight… so I better call it a night!
Leave me lots to read in the morning, because I look forward to it!
CAsey is guilty of lying, child neglect and a few other things but yet to be accused legally of murder.
Dak,
When Amy was interviewed by the police she even joked about pronouncing what was written on Monster’s shoulder. She stated that she was puerto rican, not italian so she said I am not quite sure how you say it, but it means something like beautiful life.
Monday Morning Therapist, I think you’re the more diplomatic twin. I tell it like it is and let the chips fall where they may.
I am connecting the dots, twin, and me suspects Zak is someone from the PR firm representing Baez. Nancy Grace said their press release was riddled with typos.
Casey may be coaching Dak on what to say. If it was Casey or Lee, we would see a lot of “sbsolutelys” and we don’t see that.
Thats another thing if she said it meant beautiful then it couldn’t have said Buena Vita because that means Good Life not beautiful life.
Hey Concerned Idon’t know Casey or family and don’t want to know them. I would like for to prove I am being coached or I could sue you for slander(HAHA)
Again, rememeber the hair sample taken from Monster’s car. The hair was Caylee’s and it had black bands around it which comes from decompisition-death. When you put all the pieces together it all comes back to Monster.
Unfortunately, we will all have to wait for the trial, but my money is on murder l. This is just my opinion.
Dak…I’m gonna sue you if you don’t stop this nonsense soon for amplifying my already increasing headache!
Okay Catherine the only person I heard bring up the black band on the hair was Padilla. I never heard that from LE.
Dak,
In italian Bella means beautiful. I should know my mother was from Naples, Italy.
Dak…I read the black band on the hair was released by more than Padilla…I remember that.
Let me know where if you find it Kris I don’t want to be wrong about things.
Dak,
No, Le brought the subject up about the black bands. I think the LE name was Allen.
Okay then I stand corrected about it thanks for setting that straight.
I am too tired to surf for it tonight Dak. But I promise I will find something on it tommorrow if I don’t forget. I am gonna hit the hay and get something to dull the pain, my head feels like it’s throbbing bad, and it’s not even the middle of the night yet. Calm down Dak…and take your meds too..PLEASE!!!!
By everyone…talk to ya tommorrow.
I wish I had meds.
On the NG show the forensic guy named Koby talked about the hair sample with the black bands. That’s why BB wanted all testing stopped until he could have a representative from his side at the lab when the testing was being done. Koby did tell NG that he was in fact hired by BB with regard to the forensic testing.
Night, Kris
I am going to call it night. Good night all.
Also Zenaida says she is getting threatning calls. How did people get her phone number,hmmmm.
hello everyone see there is really nothing new except for the docs, anybody hear anything else?
who every say the computer was wiped clean does that also mean the hard drive which where all the information is stored?
Just a quick line, be back tomorrow. Did watch NG, didnt think it was too informative, I had read the parts she mentioned in her show today already in yesterday’s newly released documents.
I could not figure out why they were going back to the dumpster theory, since I thought it was said long ago that the dumpsters are tracked and they’d already checked the landfill initially with no sign, so maybe just my confusion, and not having read the blog comments posted here today I don’t know what I might be missing.
Will try to catch up here tomorrow.
Nite All.
that word absolutely is driving me crazy,did you guys notice on lee anthony’s statement that it was almost ever other word he spoke just like sis,if i hear that word one more time i will scream absolutely i will.LOL
here is a joke for your morning coffee to brighten up your day.Two squirrels sitting in the road,one squirrel looks at the other one and says OMG isn’t that casey”s car coming,quick get out of the way before we get blamed by that crazy bit”h for smelling up her car
flowerchild, that was TOO FUNNY. I hope it wasn’t the little Geico squirrels (you know the ones that cause the accident on the tv commercial and then do the high fives??) Awwwwwwww……that’s why Lee and Casey were caught doing high fives on camera! That might be a clue that Lee and Casey think the “squirrel smell” theory worked??? (lol)… Shame on George for stealing his own vehicle back from Casey and running over those poor little squirrels, giving it back to her and not telling her it had squirrel guts on it. I heard he was such a clean freak with his cars. But then……..no, wait….the squirrels crawled up under her car and died………..HOLY COW….WHICH IS IT???? I still have to chuckle about Cindy’s comment that “maybe someone put a dead body in the trunk AFTER the car was towed to the yard.” (heeeee…..heeeeeee) Wonder where the body went???????? (whatever Cindy..) Nothing this family says makes any sense. Grieving…maybe, but definately “nutty” runs in the family.
I think PETA should sue Casey for blaming the smell on the squirrels and defaming their character…. Jk!!!!…..lol.
I think that ANY money gained from this tragic loss should go to missing children funds (such as the Polly Klaas fund or EquuSearch), to the County of the LE that spent many hours (and many more to come) on this case, or towards passing laws that make it a felony for a parent who does not report a child missing within a 24 hour period, etc. That’s just my opinion. If Zenaida can sue for deflamation of character, maybe the neighbors can sue for harrassment, loss of sleep, anxiety disorders, and all the other issues the Anthony’s have caused this neighborhood to suffer. I say Anthony’s because Cindy and George allowed Casey to return home, knowing full well it was going to get ugly at times.
mytwocents:……awwwww thanks for still being my friend! I do enjoy your blogs and it is interesting to hear other’s views (as long as they don’t side with Casey! lol….)
See wftv.com “Sources who knew the family intimately during the past few months told Eyewitness News that Casey convinced her mother that Caylee was sold to someone in Puerto Rico.”
I tend to believe that monster told her mother that. It explains C & G’s insistence that the child is alive. I can just hear monster now…”Well, mom, you were so upset about the money I stole, what was I supposed to do? I wanted to repay you and grandma and you always said I was an unfit mother so the only thing I could think of was to sell Caylee. I did it for you!”
If monster is accusing Amy H or one of her other former friends of selling Caylee to someone in Puerto Rico that makes sense too!
“Well, mom, you were so mad at me I had to stay someplace else! And I was staying with Amy and one day I woke up and she and Caylee were gone! Not my fault! That’s why I stole her checks! So the cops will investigate and find Caylee.”
(I’m making myself sick here but it’s so easy to believe that monster would tell more lies that somehow make it Cindy’s fault.)
remember, the Runaway Bride???
she had to pay back ALL the monies for searching for her????
hummm,…
oh so if m sold Caylee then everything’s okay,
is it legal to sell your child??
does that make the fourth story m has conjured up, probably alot more we’re not even aware of. tears.
Morning, cj! No it is not legal to sell your child.
I’m not sure what this story is supposed to do. The only way it helps monster is if she is still blaming a mysterious Zenaida for taking her and then selling her or if she is blaming Amy for that.
I include Amy because I read about the July 22 (I think) text messages Amy received from an unknown person telling her she better have her ticket stubs and asking why she and her two friends went on different flights to Puerto Rico.
I was convinced from the start that monster had told her parents another pack of lies that they are desperately hanging on to. No other reason for them to help and protect and defend her like they are. But if those text messages were sent on July 22 Monster was still in Jail, wasn’t she? So who would send them? Brother LV?
I don’t believe Casey told Cindy she sold Caylee. That would be admitting she did something wrong. She always blames it on someone else. Zenaida stole Caylee. George ran over the squirrels. Casey is “absolutely innocent.”
I believe the Anthonys or Baez planted that story again to plant the idea in the public that Caylee is alive and well in Puerto Rico.
Every time new evidence surfaces that points to Caylee being dead and Casey guilty of murder, there are always new sightings and new theories floating around.
What do you think Monday Morning Therapist?
Padilla told Nancy Grace Cindy got the Puerto Rico lead from him when he believed Casey had given Caylee to one of her friends to hide from Cindy. He believed Amy or one of her friends might have taken Caylee to Puerto Rico with them. It was probably Padilla who sent the email to Amy.
As soon as the air tests came out Padilla realized Caylee was dead and is now debunking the Puerto Rico theory. The Anthonys are keeping the Caylee’s alive stories circulating to keep people thinking Caylee may be alive.
I think Baez is leaking sighting stories. Reasonable doubt that Caylee is alive is all they need to keep Casey from being found guilty of murder. You can’t murder a child who is alive.
I believe the state is waiting for a body before they charge her. I hope they don’t go ahead and try her on the child neglect because under Florida Law they may not be able to convict her for murder if a body is found.
I truely believe that Casey is still telling her mother lies. Everyday that goes by we hear something totally different. It has to come from one source…Monster!
I’m not buying that Caylee was sold…
To many things don’t add up in that theory.
Its been proven that monster had to steal to get by.
Monster is the type that likes to show off. (people who steal usually do.) So, if she had a great deal of money on her, she would be blowing it….The same why she went thru Amy checking acct.
CAC – The story I read was unclear about who monster was saying sold the child. You are no doubt right that Monster would not say she did it. More likely she is trying to say that somebody took the child to sell her to someone in PR. Not the first time we’ve heard that.
Since the Zenaida story fizzled – unless Monster is still claiming it was a different Zenaida – it looks like they may try to implicate Amy H with the Puerto Rico angle.
All BS of course.
But Monster has to have sold her parents on a story they believe that has the child still alive. I don’t think they’d be helping her like this if they could bring themselves to realize that the child is dead. I’m sure Baez or someone told them that LE put out false forensic info in an effort to put pressure on Monster.
THX 2CENTS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS, I WILL BBL
Well if Monster isn’t the sourse then its the family and Daez..
C.C.
I’ve been saying it all along that the only thing the defense has is keeping Caylee alive…
And your right EVERYTIME new evidence comes out there is a sighting or new theory of where Caylee is….
The only thing to do is keep a clear mind and stay focus on the evidence that was found.
Right now I’d be happy if they convicted her on the economic charges and got her back in jail. Then they can take some time to put a really good case together and maybe the poor little baby will be found.
And meanwhile monster can sit and stew and worry about that behind bars.
CAC- do you know if they have to take her to trial on the child neglect and lying to cops charges soon and if not do they have to drop them for now?
There is NO EVIDENCE that Caylee is alive…No hard evidence…
Even her own baby doll was left behind…
Its hard to think this way about Caylee, but the truth is the truth..That little girl loved her baby doll. And she is somewhere buried without it. See how heartless monster is! She took that babydoll away from Caylee, just to bully her own child.
If she gave that child to anyone, that babydoll would have go with her….
Maybe this will be hard evidence that Caylee isn’t alive..
Anyone could have sent those text messages 2C…especially since the original documents were released online by incompetent people who neglected to black out the people’s names, addresses, social security numbers and phone numbers.
It makes the mystery more intriguing and people are more likely to be glued to the screen to watch more drama unfold as this family trys to unwind the already chaotic mess that has plagued them,their friends, neighbors, and the entire community.
Mytwocents, I believe they could drop the child neglect charges before November. However, I don’t know if they would because it would be telling Baez they weren’t confident that they had enough evidence for a murder conviction.
If they never find a body, they would have to go with the evidence they have. I didn’t see if the air test or DNA evidence was in the discovery papers. It must be or Baez would be gloating that they were bluffing with their leaks and there is no DNA evidence at all.
I don’t know what they could charge her with because most people believe she is responsible for Caylees disappearance but they don’t believe it is murder. Even her friends are saying it had to be an accident because they believe she’d never hurt Caylee.
Sociopaths pretend to be normal so her friends never saw that everything she did was an act. That’s why everybody was fooled.
Nobody guessed that Scott Peterson was capable of killing his beautiful wife of three years while she was eight months pregnant with his son on Christmas Eve.
Their behavior when their loved ones were missing gave away their true personalities. They were both unconcerned, uncaring and only thinking of themselves and their needs.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they turned Caylee old room into a new executive office…probably to help Monster stay out of jail…
Allie, I believe the baby doll, the car seat, toys, books and clothing being left behind is a very good clue that Caylee is dead and that Casey killed her.
If Casey took Caylee to a babysitter, she would have given her the car seat, doll, toys, clothes, diapers, etc.
That with the 911 call of Cindy’s distressed voice saying her granddaughter was missing and the car smelled like it had a dead body in it, the testimony of others saying the car smelled like death, the cadaver dogs allerting on the car and back yard, the shovel and backing the car up to the garage story, her lying to police and giving them false leads, her partying heavy while her daughter was missing and showing no emotion or interest in finding her daughter are all pieces of a puzzle that lead to one conclusion. Casey did it. But what did she do is the question?
Now keep in mind I’m a house mom who gets very opinionated when someone other then myself gets in trouble…LOL
So, I tend to rumble on….
I read everyone posts and enjoy the theories people come up with….. I guess I’m a big fan of the game ” Clue ”
Your question ” what did she do? ”
Did you mean “how” did she do it?
goodmorning all, i think LE has all the evidence they need for a murder conviction i think all they are wating for is testing to completed on the bones they found which takes longer, which i have heard nothing about since they found them which i think is odd,if they were mere animal bones they could tell in about two days tops that they were not human remains
reread C.C.
I see your point…I don’t think the “true” version will ever come out…
Unforunately, her verion is all we have…But I believe everyone who kill, has a didn’t story from the truth to tell….Most of the time the LE or LD piece together the true, or close to it…I’m happy if they get close enough to the truth to prosecute her to the fullest…
you know casey has forgotten they found caylees hair in the back of that car decomposition evident, so is she claiming squirrls got in her trunk to that was wearing some of caylees hair to frame her,she seems to be pointing at anything and everthing for that death smell
Assuming she, being Casey, is the one who actually made those statements…which I doubt since she has an attorney who specifically told her not to talk to anyone. Even her own brother stated he couldn’t talk TO her, only AT her.
All else is rampant gossip.
Flowerchild, the cops hadn’t found Caylee’s hair in the trunk when Casey made up the story. They didn’t get involved until July 15. Casey told Amy about the dead animal smell in the car when she picked her up from the airport somewhere around June 25. Then she text messaged her that she found a squirrel plastered to the car frame later. Padilla believes Casey killed Caylee right before abandoning the car.
Casey made up the dead animal smell before anyone could smell the car. Every lie she’s told is to cover up the fact that Casey killed Caylee, put her body in the trunk and then disposed of it somewhere later. The strong smell of decomposition indicates the body could have been in the trunk for days.
i thought she said maybe her dad ranned over a animal, that he drove the car to,then his statement on tv maybe casey ranned over a animal, seems like they are pointing to each other for the reason for that smell, which was in lee’s statment in the new docs
RV – Amy got those text messages insinuating stuff about her trip to Puerto Rico on July 22 long before any documents were released.
The text messages are still on her phone for the cops to see. I don’t know if they’ve figured out who sent them but it has nothing to do with the docs.
How can all these people (the Ant’s) call that smell a dead squirrel, someone else’s body placed at the tow yard, a rotting pizza, dirty diapers,and even LAUGH about how each other couldn’t stand the smell, KNOWING THEIR GRANDDAUGHTER IS UNACCOUNTED FOR AND DNA SAYS SHE IS DEAD?????????????????
Are they ALL that psycho??
can someone define what a all white party means,don’t really get that meaning
all white party is a crack party
RV – do you doubt that Monster told Robert Dick that it was Blanchard Park rather than Sawgrass Apts and that it was Zenaida with sister Samantha and kids who took Caylee?
That story did not come out until long after Padilla had thrown her back in the coop. I don’t doubt it for a minute. Like her parents I am sure it takes 200 times being told to shut up before any of them manage to keep their mouths closed.
CAC – just to clarify – Does LE have to go to trial in November with the child neglect/lying to police charges? And if they do go to trial with only those charges then that’s what would tell BB that they don’t have enough for murder?
The cops said they checked out Fusion and said there was no evidence Fusion customers used any drugs inside the night club. They have surveilance cameras and they would have shown drug use.
“brownies” someone’s depo mentioned Casey used (in addition to escalated use of pot)are cookies or brownies made from pot and Jack Daniel’s
the point gumshoe is whos dead body was in the car c and g know a dead body was in the car both stated it on tv now they can not take their words back we all heard them say it,now all the backtracking trying to convince people it was pizza poop diapers squirrels,now why would some one put a dead body in the car,anything and everything they said is to deny that it was caylee
Flowerchild,
Some clubs around Orlando do a all white attire party, ( were everyone wears white) when they invite special guest to show up…I just thought it was a fancy thing to do for your up scale clubs..
thanks gumshoe for that heads up on the all white party, thought that is what it was,but not up to date with the drug scene
didn’t casey take baez some brownies?maybe that is why he had a big smile one day on his face he was stoneddddddd out of his mind
Florida’s Speedy Trial Law requires the state to go to trial in so many days after the charges are filed so they have to go to trial in November if they stick to child neglect/lying to police.
However, if they drop those charges and re-arrest her on murder or negligent homicide, then they would have another two or three months after the charges are filed before they have to go to trial.
My guess is unless they find a body before November, they won’t charge her with murder or homicide until November if they are going to do it.
They want to give themselves as much time as possible to find the body and get as much evidence as they can to make sure she is convicted of murder or negligent homicide.
Flowerchild, I think Allie’s explanation that all white party means white dress makes more sense than “crack.” There is no evidence Casey or any of her friends used cocaine, crack or meth.
Casey’s friends said she smoked pot and ate brownies laced with pot. That’s not white.
now i really feel stupid, people dress in white to go to a party
she did indeed take Baez a pan of bronies one day.
My nephew, an addict, just told me crystal meth is also used in the term all white party
I don’t know who told what and when, but she definitely has a serial killer theme happening don’t you think?
Anyone could have gotten Amy’s cell number…They already had her name and address from news reports.
C a C, you are also correct. Looked online and found several links where all white party means everyone comes dressed in white, and this is even done with the younger club crowds
only Casey’s friends would be able to clear up what she meant by all white party—drug or dress.
Does anyone know if Zenaida looked at several other apartments while shopping for a new place to live?
Her attorney as a valid point and it may be a good thing that he has taken her case.
Also, I think I read somewhere within those new documents that someone stated Casey brought Caylee to a “naked party.”
In addition, I thought I understood that party was held sometime near the 4th of July…am I mistaken? There was a lot of reading to do, not to mention a totally different version from what was originally released.
Okay…I understand if no one replys…it’s more fun to talk about things that aren’t actually related to this mess.
yes you are right Reasonablevoice, it was a no clothes party, thats when caseys photo in the american flag was took at that party
Was it the 4th of July?
i think it was the fourth of july when that pic was taken, you can see the pic somewhere but i forgot where to many sites i’ve been on
Or, was it Memorial Day weekend…the costume, or lack thereof, would or could be the same.
The reason I ask is because if Caylee was at a party on the 4th of July then everyone is a liar or at least suffering from some form of delusional behavior.
The timeline will not add up
i think in was in amy’s statement about the party,i know she mention the no clothes party
Yes…but exactly when was it held?
amy said the no clothes party was on the 25th in UCF area think in june
I think this Zenaida Gonzalez is very lucky that Casey looked at her picture and said she’d never seen her before. If Casey had pointed out her picture as the nanny, Zenaida Gonzalez would be in jail and her lawyer would have a legitimate case against Casey Anthony.
This way Casey’s attorney can simply say Casey told the police the woman wasn’t her nanny. Casey’s nanny is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. This woman doesn’t have the surname Fernandez or she would be referred to as Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez not just Zenaida Gonzalez.
I think Casey saw the June 17 application of Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass Apartments because that’s where Amy and Ricardo lived and where she was staying at that time.
I think she thought it would be a good full name for her imaginary Zanny the Nanny and added the Fernandez because she doesn’t want the nanny to be found. She just wants reasonable doubt that the nanny exists and kidnapped Caylee.
Concerned about Caylee, I feel much the same way as you. I’m not sure who told that story about monster saying that SHE sold Caylee but that doesn’t sound like anything monster would admit to doing. Just like you said, monster only knows how to play the blame game. I’m sure that monster & BB are saying that monster’s imaginary friend Zenaida probably sold Caylee as part of their defense. They need to inspire the public to believe that Caylee is still alive and create reasonable doubt in the minds of future jurors.
I keep thinking of what NG said once about how important it is for LE to take their time and complete a thorough investigation before forging ahead with a murder charge. Especially, since they don’t have the three elements we talked about earlier. They don’t necessarily need them to win a conviction, but it sure would help to have at lease one of them.
They have more than enough circumstantial evidence, but I worry that without a body… LE needs to explain exactly how the murder was committed and that’s where they’re having a difficult time piecing it together. No different than us… we keep trying to complete the puzzle but we’re still not sure we have it right on target! I’m confident, though, that justice will be served for our precious little Caylee!
I’m sorry to say that I have a very busy schedule today, including going over to my son’s house for dinner later tonight. So, as much as I would love to stay and be a part of this blog conversation, I can only pop in now and then to read your comments and maybe leave a few myself!
maybe you can go back and read amy’s statement i know it is all in there,iknow the 25th was mention
If it were the 25th of June…the timeline is way off!
Thank you Flowerchild…I should read Amy’s staement…though I read some of the interviews, my links don’t show that I actually viewed Amys.
RV – According to the recently released statement by Amy H:
The “no clothes” party – which means you can wear something but not “clothing” – like a beer keg would be fine. That was May 25, the day after monster first met Tony (May 24) and Caylee was not at either party (the 24th or the 25th).
On June 9 and 10 Monster and Caylee were staying with Ricardo (and his roommate Amy). Amy says she saw them leaving on the 10th. It’s the last time Amy saw Caylee. Although she thinks she may have heard Caylee in the background on a call with Monster around the 13th. But June 10 is last time she saw the child.
On June 26, Casey Anthony wrote, “I need a freaking vacation.”
The next day, a text message told Huizenga about how her car smelled like a dead animal — and how it was possibly a squirrel that was run over.
I think the state is not disclosing all the DNA evidence they have that may point to negligent homicide or murder because they don’t want Casey Anthony to plead guilty of child neglect/lying to police until they have all the evidence they need to prove capital murder. A body would seal the deal.
All the evidence they have to prove now in the discovery process is that she is guilty of child neglect and lying to police. Those documents released all prove that.
The DNA evidence won’t be released until Casey is charged with murder or negligent homicide. I hope that will be before her other trial opens in November.
Flowerchild…from what little I’ve already read from Amy’s statement I think she meant the naked party was like you said, at UCF, but on the 25th of May.
Thank you @c…reading all that stuff is confusing…especially when no one actually ever has a car that runs and is always going somewhere to get one or driving someone else’s ride.
Those youngsters…hard to keep up with.
thats right i knew i read that somewhere in the docs so much reading to do LOL
i think she stayed at amys house on the fourth of july by amys statement
Well, maybe Caylee was accidentally ran over by a vehicle.
I’ll read some more and catch ya later.
ok bye reasonablevoice
hey did ypu hear that the suppose nanny they interview is going to sue,hpoe the anthonys
i mean hope
going to take a nap catch up with you guys later, if you move leave a link,bye
RIGHT ON CAC!
“Concerned about Caylee said,in September 25th, 2008 at 11:25 am Florida’s Speedy Trial Law requires the state to go to trial in so many days after the charges are filed so they have to go to trial in November if they stick to child neglect/lying to police.
However, if they drop those charges and re-arrest her on murder or negligent homicide, then they would have another two or three months after the charges are filed before they have to go to trial.
My guess is unless they find a body before November, they won’t charge her with murder or homicide until November if they are going to do it.
They want to give themselves as much time as possible to find the body and get as much evidence as they can to make sure she is convicted of murder or negligent homicide.”
ALSO
MMT-
EVEN IF m claims she sold Caylee, she would STILL be in deep water since this is against the law, and along with the other evidence they DO have it would be enough to put her behind bars
for A VERY LONG TIME< agreed??
And the story about a dead squirrel is truly rediculous, it would NEVER reak and have a stench like human decompostion… which the Cadaver dogs have already faithfully discovered in her back yard and her own trunk.
I am wondering what LYING can add to this case, it is a fact she is LYING AND WITHHOLDING evidence.
Furthermore her father was a neat freak with the vehicles and washed and detailed them meticulosuly IF he had run over a little squirrel he would have cleaned the mess immediately.
WHAT IS being said now about the ‘dumpster’ theory, i THOUGHT they concluded long ago this theory was ruled out ???
I am going to check and see if Jan has started a new blog yet, last one she wrote was 9/19, maybe.. brb
Still no new blog, humm. bbl friends.
I found this on the site of Judge Jeanine Pirro. Here is what she has concluded based on the same evidence we have read:
Fast-forward 28 years — three-year-old Caylee Anthony is missing. Many want to believe she is alive but all the evidence points to the contrary. It did some time ago. To seasoned prosecutors, like myself, who have seen this scenario more than we want to recall, this is a replay of a child abuse homicide.
We all wanted to believe that maybe someone DID kidnap Caylee — that maybe Casey was indeed the good mother that she appeared to be in all those pictures. That this mother could never commit the unthinkable. Yet the handwriting was on the wall back in July.
Fact: How does a mother not report that her child is missing? Yet we were duped into wanting to believe she maintained her silence so her child wouldn’t be harmed. After all, any good mother would keep silent — even go to jail to protect her child, right? Then out came the pictures of mama Casey not sitting by the phone waiting for the call to take the money, the drugs, the whatever, to a designated place — but rather mama dancing, partying, bumping and grinding at the Fusion nightclub at a time we know she doesn’t have Caylee.
Ok, so maybe a babysitter did have Caylee so mama could party. But there’s no Zaneida Gonzalez living at the address mama gave. And the Zaneida Gonzalez who is located has never met Casey and has never taken care of Caylee.
So let’s backtrack for a moment. How has Casey’s life changed since she was last seen with her daughter on June 15, 2008. Well she has a new boyfriend, Tony, who according to friends is not too keen on the baby, but with whom she is increasingly spending time- to the point where she is there every night.
But wait, she loves this baby just look at the pictures! Yet now we know she wanted to give Caylee up for adoption before she was born.
Fact: We also know on July 18th Casey borrowed a shovel from a neighbor and backed her car into her family’s garage — something neighbors had never seen her do. So add to that a flurry of calls that pinged from her phone in a wooded area several times with repeated calls to her parents on July 17th, some only a minute apart. Add the fact that gas cans reportedly stolen by her father from his garage are in her trunk, which trunk she tried to prevent him from opening.
Fact: when Casey is arrested for child neglect and lying to investigators, she sits in jail, not at all worried with sunken eyes and a look of desperation, but instead bemoaning the fact that everyone is so “focused on Caylee!” She just wants her boyfriend Tony’s number.
Wait! Grandma and Grandpa Anthony (former nurse and former cop) tell us Caylee will be home on her 3rd birthday, August 9th! Yet, that birthday comes and goes while grandma and grandpa are not out on daily searches looking for Caylee. Wouldn’t a former cop start by going to the apartment where this phantom babysitter lived? Instead, these grandparents spend their days fighting and spinning the press.
Now why would they do this? Why are they not searching, pleading, begging for information? Maybe because grandma, who called 911 complaining of the smell of a decaying body, in the trunk of her daughter’s car (which Casey conveniently abandons as inoperable — but which to her detriment is found by police and literally driven with no problem to the impound lot) knows the truth. She knows her daughter is a pathological liar. She knows her daughter didn’t want Caylee and she knows Casey is responsible. Grandpa, a former sheriff’s deputy knows Caylee isn’t coming back. He knew when he found gas cans he reported stolen in his daughter’s trunk and when cadaver dogs pointed at that same trunk. He knew when police confirmed that virtually everything Casey told them was a lie!
Could it be that these so-called loving grandparents have circled the wagons around their daughter Casey, because they know Caylee is never coming home.
Fact: Enter the University of Tennessee’s body farm that conducted tests on the car’s air samples from the trunk and conclude that a human corpse had been decomposing there. Grandma says someone else could have put a body in the trunk after it “was abandoned.” Instead she tells media, “Casey is telling us Caylee’s life is in danger.” All the while DNA test prove conclusively Caylee’s hair is in the trunk.
Fact: Chloroform was found in “significant levels” in the same trunk where scientists detected vapors of a decomposing body and the hairs of Caylee Anthony. It is a solvent often used as an anesthetic by inhaling the vapors that cause the central nervous system to depress resulting in possible loss of consciousness, and is often fatal.
It is not one fact, but each fact weaved together as a connected whole that leads us to the inescapable conclusion that Caylee is dead.
I remember that judge in the felony hearing telling me — a mother would never intentionally kill her own child. I know now, what I knew then — “Evil comes in all shapes and sizes” even pretty young girls with sparkling blue eyes.
Good article – thanks for the read ….
If the judge sees this as a child abuse homicide with just the evidence we have now, I feel confident that the prosecutors have a strong enough case for homicide to take before the jury.
I think they’ll wait until November when the child neglect case is set to start unless Caylee’s body is discovered before then.
Hi cj… I would agree, if there was even a chance that Caylee is alive. But, I can’t even talk about that possibility because all the evidence, according to what I’m hearing is pointing to Caylee being dead. (Monster is the last person to be seen with Caylee on 6/16 – Cadaver dogs hit on decomposition in trunk and yard – Air test positive for decomposition – Hair in trunk DNA positive for decomposition – Monster searching chloroform websites – Monster takes many of her own belongings but nothing of Caylee when she leaves – Monster NEVER reports daughter missing to police, grandmother has to finally do that after finding out granddaughter was missing for 31 days – Monster tells no one that daughter is missing during the 31 days, except two people who can’t be verified – Monster shows no emotion or concern whatsoever in daughter being missing – Monster parties and worries about her nails and gets a tattoo during the 31 days daughter is missing – Monster lies to LE and everyone about having a job, (therefore needing a babysitter during those hours) – Zenadia, does not exist. – Absolutely no one has ever seen or spoken to Zenadia – All this and more points to Caylee being dead to me. So,
naturally I want monster to take FULL responsibiity of her evil act and get the death penalty or life in prison.
Unless, I hear any proven, cold, hard facts to change my mine … I will continue to follow the path of LE’s evidence!
Yeah…that is a good article. Quite frankly, it’s about the only thing I’ve read about this whole ordeal that actually makes sense.
But…why are they dragging their feet on charging her, and more importantly, why was she originally offered limited immunity?
Just poppin’ in…will check back later.
hi everyone, concerned about caylee thanks for posting that makes everything straight forward sometimes with so much to follow up and try to read things get muddled up.i am praying everyday that justice will be served and its also good when reading everyones thoughts that there is good people in our world.
Reasonablevoice, they aren’t charging her because they want to wait to see if they can find a body first.
If they don’t find a body by November when the child neglect/lying to police trial begins, I believe they will charge her with murder.
RV- I think Baez inquired about an offer of limited immunity. But whoever suggested it first the purpose would have been to locate the child’s body and save one heck of a lot of time and money not to mention anguish.
Monster’s refusal of that offer spoke volumes to me. Because it was partial she could have still been prosecuted on the evidence found at the scene. The only thing she’d have immunity for is whatever she told them – what she said – in leading them to the body.
And I would not say that LE is dragging their feet. They are taking the time that is at their disposal at this point to put together a solid case and maybe still hoping for a body or some other definitive evidence.
Concerned about Caylee, thank you, thank you, thank you for the article you posted at 2:39 pm. I just saw it for the first time. (Evidently, I was busy writing my comment as you posted that.) It was a WONDERFUL article! When it comes to our children, it’s time that people start looking around and taking their heads out of the sand. Stop making excuses for those who can make up lies faster than we can think. Stop believing someone just because they have a pretty face, a beautiful body or can pretend to be nice, when their actions speak of malicious deeds. Let their actions speak loud and clear! I’m tired of being bullied in to thinking that you must ignore everything that a person has done and presume them innocent until proven guilty, WHEN WE ARE NOT EVEN IN COURT!
That’s when you wipe the slate clean and listen to evidence, facts and arguments and base your decision on what is presented in front of you. Suspicion is what solves cases…not making excuses for abnormal actions.
LE knows exactly what they’re doing… they will take all the time they need to make sure there is undeniable justice for Caylee!
Gotta go! Will be back late tonight! :
I thought the article was excellent because it came from a former prosecutor who is now a judge who is familiar with these kinds of cases and knows how to tell the story so the pieces of the puzzle fit. She is used to getting a jury to see why a defendant is guilty. She followed the same path of evidence and concluded Casey is guilty.
Any one of you super sleuths could and have pieced it together as nicely. You guys rock! 🙂
Rock? how ’bout….oooh, oooh, that smell, can’t ya smell that smell?
Say speaking of smell, could someone look over the part where Amy says she never smelled the smell, but then states there is no way a couple of pizzas could smell that bad.
I’m just wondering if I’m interpreting things correctly. Also, the print is so small I have to squint.
It’s that smell!!!!!!!!!
I’ll check back
The attorney for the Anthony’s and a publicist for LTM deny any movie deal has been made. So they are not getting a movie deal.
Dak:
Leave it to you to believe everything Baez says but nothing the law enforcement says or the evidence shows or that the real Zenaida Gonzalez says. Of course, he and Lifetime will deny it until the movie is made after the trial.
Baez denied there was no money paid by ABC for the 20/20 exclusive pictures but right after the show airs, Casey Anthony is bailed out of jail by an anonymous donor to the tune of $50,000, Baez pays body guards and hires a PR firm and sees his client six hours a day. Who is paying for all that?
Before that, the Anthony’s were so broke they couldn’t bail their daughter out of jai.
What is wrong with this picture?
RV – go to docstoc.com and download PDF files of the interviews and you won’t have to squint. Probably they are available like that elsewhere too.
Amy heard about the smell from Cindy in the car with Monster the night of the 16th. She also heard about it directly from Monster earlier in the month when monster blamed it on squirrels. So Amy was describing the smell as others had described it to her.
Dak, so we are to take the word of the family attorney and that of Lifetime as the honest to God truth? I don’t think so. There are a lot of little loopholes those people can be using to spin the truth. And there’s a lot of motivation like $$$$$ to speak for it.
Personally I hope it isn’t true. I’m just not ready to accept it as fact.
Concerned you make a lot of accusations. Can you prove 100% that ABC paid for the 20/20 interview and why do you now have to accuse a Media outlet LTM of lying.
You know My2cents and Concerned at least we know you guys would never make it on the jury you are not unbiased.
The way you guys feel about this if Casey told LE where Caylee was and the found Caylee you still wouldn’t believe it thats how blind you are.
You can make all the accusations about anyone who is suppossedly connected to that Ants but Every thing LE says(BS)
Dak, it was just funny that you’ve questioned everything that seems to be against monster but take the word of the family attorney and Lifetime! At least I said that I was not prepared to take it as fact. I’m skeptical that’s all.
Dak, I know ABC didn’t pay for the interview. ABC said they paid for the exclusive right to the pictures of Caylee. Baez denied it.
I don’t believe what a defense attorney says because it is his job to say his client is innocent. It is his job to deny every accusation made of his client.
Law enforcement has no benefit to frame Casey for this crime.
Someone mentioned that you said your father served time for a crime that he didn’t commit.
I think this has tainted your view of this case. You see yourself as objective and claim you have researched everything. I see you as biased for Casey Anthony and her cause.
I ignored you for weeks hoping you’d go away. But I see you are here to continue to debunk everything that makes Casey Anthony or her family look guilty.
I am here to get justice for Caylee. This is about her. This isn’t about your grudge against law enforcement or about the Anthonys.
This is about Caylee. I am offended by your bitter angry attitude. I think you are desecrating the memory of a three year old girl whose life was snuffed out too young.
Well concerned it seems this isn’t about Caylee because most of what I read is Casey, caseY, Casey. Nobody seems to be talking about Caylee except how guilty Casey is. You can justify justice for Caylee by talking about things like Baez being a liar or the Anthony’s and movie deals. How is all that about Caylee. Just reag what you guys are writing. And godforbid anyone says anything a little different. By the way look at what you accused me of believing about the movie deal not happeneing. i never said anything except post something I found out.
By the way 2cents I never said I was taking the word of the Attorney or Lifetime. I never said anything about taking sides in this whole case. you guys just assume everything, and the aka’s I suppossedly have is a prime example of peole with closed minds with proof.
Dak, I am sorry if I misunderstood the last line of your post:
Dakdude3 said,in September 25th, 2008 at 5:15 pm “The attorney for the Anthony’s and a publicist for LTM deny any movie deal has been made. So they are not getting a movie deal.”
“So they are not getting a movie deal.” I thought that is what you were advocating as fact/truth by the Att’y and Lifetime. That’s what I reacted to. And it just seemed funny since you are very skeptical of most things and seemed to take their word for this particular thing.
I’m pretty good at imagining different scenarios; different ways and reasons that Caylee disappeared. But in recent weeks whenever I describe something like an accident or possibly Monster just losing sight of her for a moment and she’s gone, I mean anything that gives some benefit of doubt to monster most of my fellow bloggers gently remind me of the cadaver dogs hitting on decomp in the yard and car and air samples and chloroform and so on! And they’re right! I can’t explain away those things – even with as good an imagination as I have – without implicating Monster in the death of Caylee. So I am biased, I guess. Biased in favor of forensic evidence and in favor of the statements of people who knew her. And as far as what her friends say they all tell their individual experience with her and have all discovered and been shocked by the lies she told them. I’m sure it’s changed their young, naive view of the world a great deal!
At first everyone wanted to find that child alive and everyone worked toward that – except the mother. How in the world can that be explained?
Oh and Dak. I never accused you of having more than one screen name. I’m the one who didn’t care if you did or not.
Thanks 2 cents no hard feelings.
2C, Dak…are you still there?
Uh oh…I can see were back to that ‘Who’s camp are you in’ thing aren’t we?
2c…She was responsible and she is at fault…to what extent is yet to be determined.
When the FBI follows a lead to a sighting that should tell you something about how conclusive the forensic evidence actually is.
Also, we really don’t know exactly how much chloroform was found and for what reason it was in the trunk. If it was there to destroy evidence, then that says something. That means the person who did this would have known something about evidence in general.
Hello RV long time no see. i agree with you. if the police are so sure Caylee is dead why follow leads. As for the chloroform I talked to someone who has spent manmy many years dealing with chloroform and said that as much and as long as the trunk has been open there could not have been high traces as the more the trunk is opened especially for any lenght of time the chloroform dissipates.
hey there is a new blog with only 7 post,117894 is caylee anthony mom telling more lies
Yeah…thanks flowerchild, I found it.
Dak…if you get attacked we can go to another blog…think I saw one about all of Casey’s lies…we could go on and on and still be on the subject there.
Are you still here Dak…
I haven’t seen “Charlie’s Angels” yet today. I think since they pulled that info swap the other night their need to be ‘bit@$ of the year’ as waned.
Besides, I ordered new security. It’s too late for anything else now.
Thanks RV I’m actually getting used to bein attacked. it just goes to show the maturity in this blog.
Hi Everyone,
It is not one fact, but each fact weaved together as a connected whole that leads us to the inescapable conclusion that Caylee is dea.
If it isn’t my favorite person.
hi catherine have you read the above post refering to the charlies angels,didn’t know you were a movie star LOL
Flower,
Neither did I. Who are the other two angels?
Dak,
Why did you mean by that comment?
Flower,
Has Kris or Amy been here tonight?
no haven”t seen them tonight not on the other blog either
haven’t seen sabrina or cj in a while either
Hmmm. Wonder where there at tonight?
don’t know wish they would come on
Catherine, did you see Nancy Grace tonight?
Hi guys…Am I one of the angels? I hope I am…been trying to catch up a little. Had a rough day. I have a faulty ignition switch and had to take in my SUV to be fixed. Would have gotten on sooner but got home late. I am pretty tired but wanted to catch up on some of the posts. I see Dak is in his prime tonight! lol.
kris the other angel where is the third angel amy aww you guys are much prettier than the tv angels
I am not even sure I remember their names to be honest with you..I think there was a Kris that was on the show..but not sure.
flowerchild..How do you know if I am pretty? I could be a bid toad snapping at flies on my computer screen…lol. What would make you think that? (Even though I’m not.)
i was talking about you kris you are one of the angels Dak was talking about, they are on the other blog reasonablevoice and Dak
I seen that..Where did everyone else go off to? It is pretty quiet in here tonight.
beauty comes in many forms, beauty of the heart is the most beauty anyone could ask for, love compassion empathy from the heart over a child who feels like one of our own
Did Catherine leave too? I seen she was on too for a bit. Wish I could’ve gotten on sooner. But tommorrow is the weekend and I can stay up a lot later.
maybe to the other blog i go in and see what’s going on then pop back in here
I definitely have that, I feel so strongly about these missing kids, and even more so about the justice that can go unpunished with people like monster. I just seen the a couple nights ago the movie “The Brave One” with Jodie Foster in it, as I was watching her changing (dynamic character), I could envision someone down there in Florida just getting so fed up with this Casey thing, and pulling a “Jodie” on her. It was a pretty good movie.
haven’t seen that one,a must see, i think everyone is getting upset over the verbal attacks they seem to feel their opinons are not creditable
Hey Flowerchild have fun peeking and reporting back to the other blog.
OH Dak! Come on in the waters warm… I will be leaving the pool soon too for bed.
didn’t mean verbal, no audio on this blog. DUH how stupid of me
Its okay I’m quit enjoying the conversation on the other blog. I wouldn’t want to be around when the other angels show up.
What is even funnier Dak..Is your accusing flowerchild of peeking…how could you know that unless you have done it too?! lol.
Well then Kris goodnight and sweet dreams.
Maybe Charlie sent them on a mission…lol.
Hey I never said I wasn’t peeking. I was one of my favorite things.
Yeah far away mission I hope.
I call you kilroy…to my family..they don’t know who I’m talking about but the visual makes them laugh!
Well I’m glad I can be of some entertainment.
Dak i am a not here to fight with anyone and no i am not a spy i enjoy reading everyones opinons even though i might not agree with everyone, and true i might not have all the answers in this case,but who does really, it is all a guessing game
Sort of like that game with the little hedge hogs that pop up and you have to hit them with a mallet at the fair, that kind of peeking Dak?
its okay Flowerchild I’m not here to fight either.
I don’t always agree with you Dak, God only knows I’m not always correct in my thinking or theories either…but I do love to laugh and tease, it’s part of my gene pool from my father. If you were to truly know me…you would love me! lol.
I’m sure I would Kris.
I think there has not been a whole lot going on with the case lately. I really thought there would be some major revelations this week. I felt so certain of it.
i do not like to hurt anyones feelings, as far as peeking i was reading other peoples post about their theories
Its okay Flower no feelings hurt here. I guess some people are going to be dissappointed that the case isn’t going to break this week like they though.
Don’t think twice about it flowerchld…We are all in this for the greater good for the child. Dak peeks…lol, others just wish to make informative judgements based on others theories, and if that leads you to another blog for a few minutes so be it. I don’t intentionally try to fight with anyone either, I’m a very calm person by nature, but just get fired up over rotten people in the world like Casey.
I wish we could have a selective breeding program in the world, and people like monster and others like her should be sterilized and not allowed to reproduce their kind.
There is one thing I want ask from you Kris if I could. Could we all stop with aka accusations as it really is immature and annoying and one reason I haven’t been around much.
Caylee was a sweet baby from what I read, but in that enviroment she was doomed from the start. She would have learned lying is ok to get what you want in life, and stealing is ok as well. That baby would be alive today if she was placed with a family for adoption…I can’t help but think this, and she could have grown up into something different from her kin.
you know there is pros and cons in every case like this, you have the side that casey is lying about all this,and others who believe she is innocent, so lets repect each others opions.
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Dak…In all honesty (go back through all the blogs lately I’ve been in), I have’nt accused you of that since…oh maybe beginning/middle of August I think. I have not said anything about it since if my memory serves me correctly.
Okay sorry could talk to the others for me. I didn’t realize it has been that long since you made those comments and I’m sorry.
I am open to others opinions, I have always been the mediator picked amongst my friends in my lifetime, because they have known me as being fair. What I get upset about is when it is done in a way where it starts to sound like two are coming to fist-o-cuffs if they were face to face and not in front of their computer screens. That is not productive, but to vary in opinions is normal.
But I still laugh about that one time Dak… Can’t help myself once in a while it comes to mind and is very funny…lol.
Its okay Kriss it was funny.
In fact I thought of you this morning on the ride in …I had a slow moving trail blazer in front of me (frilly girly looking color), and the plate read DAK ****. I started laughing and then cut him off…Lol!
I still luv ya Dak!
Damn and I was going to get that on my plate.
You probably could if you don’t move here..lol. Or try for “littledaddy”.
Thats right you don’t live in Florida, damn where is my brain.
hi all.. long day just getting on here.. watched the latest NG developments with more nausea…hearing the words from brother is and has sunk his sister..shes sunk, her ship was already sinking, and she is now sunk
some observations in tonights tapes
mom C says to boyfriend why would you want her shes a drop out etc… sickening.. we can see why M has turned out as she has, and done the unthinkable… you cannot say your being supportive to your daughter in an unwanted pregnancy with verbal abuse such as this… this family has so much dysfunction, I am just now finally seeing it…
othet things on my mind
how can 2 dead squirrels and lee said DEAD squirrels get up under a hood, already “dead” he said she said 2 dead squirrels got up under the car.. ok. i want to know this, if this car reeked and we now have double confirmation from brother… how could she possibly have accidentally done something say then buried her and simply transported to anothetr location and cause this much stench. no, she had to have ahd the dead child in the car even trunk for a smell to linger like that, in my opinion. if the car had been towed and driven home etc and aired out and its still reeking this tells me this Monster drove this dead child around allowing this much stench to linger that long… anyone agree??? dont bu squirrels, its ridiculous…its almost hard each night to watch this unfold more, because i know now shes gone and listening is making me sick..it just goes on and on like a bad horror novel…that you can’t even stand any of them anymore not the whole dam family…i suspect many will feel as i do as time goes on, we won’t even care anymore to hear about it, just that justice has been served for poor sweet caylee..i only pray she wasn’t abused behind closed doors, and if she was then maybe god felt it was time for her to come back home…as I tyep that it tears me up..as someone above wrote she didn’t have a chance in this family…once M is in jail maybe the parents will get some counseling to see how they helped play a part in the unraveling of the family unit…brother too.. he seemed almost “eager” on the tapes to tell all he knew… like maybe thats why hes giggling cause hes enhoying giving them all they want about old sis.. again dysfunction
I haven’t been to florida since ’89. Been to the keys, Orlando, Fort Myers, Daytona ….loved it. Beats all the snow.
Hi pammyliz…You are correct the family is completely disfunctional. Caylee should have gone to loving home early on with adoption. She would be here today I strongly feel. It is definitely like a horror film. One that the family does not deserve to cash in on. I pray each day that there is a way to see that she get death in a trial. But not even an arrest yet… I just can’t accept that.
my post was long lol but i had to vent alittle, had a crappy day starting with a bee bit me on the toe and its been hurting ever since then my brakes went out, cost? $550.00 and then on to work…lol.. and then didn’t even get my car back yet. so bad day, then came home and listened to more creepy tales… and so I guess since I have been blogging you can see how at first I was neural and slowly this family and what has happened has made me slowly come around to the truth… maybe in time the ants will too… as far as the stuff i am reading above about people getting mad at each others opinions, well, we’re all amateurs here, going only on what we’ve been hearing, and there isn’t anything else to think when you see and listen and find out. but i say everyone can sya what they want here.. i read them all…
Okay heres a new peice of info I just read not that I believe it. Someone read somewhere that the body in the trunk was Zenaida, and they would find her in the woods.
I had a car day too pammy…lost my ignition switch…went caput! Borrowed another car and hopefully will have mine back tommorrow with some money left after they rake me for the work. I am getting pretty tired too.
Maybe Zenaida was the name of the squirrel Casey talked about? Just wondering. lol.
Hey why not. As long as it wasn’t chip and dale(oops thats chipmunks).
I gotta hit the hay guys….I can’t even keep my eyes open much longer, the computer screen is starting to blur. I will look for everyone tommorrow..if we move please leave a link for others there are so many blogs now. Nighty night.
Hi kris…
yah I used to and I say used to lol say oh no you can’t blame mom and dad, but you know. when you hear verbal abuse and things about the mom , you know M was already a mess, but if she had no family support, then its easy to see how she failed and this whole family failed… i know people like C, have seen it, verbal abuse in a constant way only leads to this destruction and worse, and you can’t expect children and i mean M is only a child really to be and form a normal relationshop to a child she didnt want, and then if your beaten down by your own mother, well not defeding M EVER in any way but i picked up alot in these docs and statemetns.. it clinched this case for me, the sworn statements made to police. by all the players… and it paints more of a picture of what happened in this F&*^% up family, to poor little caylee, what we dont have is her remains for a burial, and we dont yet have M behding bars awaiting either execution or a post death study on her brain…
Your thinking of the hedge hog game I mentioned above at the fairs again Dak…lol….Bye.
By pammy, dak…whoever else is in here. Yawn, too tired…(but yet addicted to blogging).
yah this brake shop got me they had my car and said 550.00 front back brakes THEN came back with now its your master cylinder, i said i’m not giving you anymore money, they said we have your car can’t drive it like this.. its like these shops get you at their mercy when they have it in air and your late for work, so under duress you say in a psycho fit JUST FIX THE DAM CAR and give me it back!!! lol and then a beee bites inside your toes, and i am now limping all day froma bee bite, hadn’t been bit in years and had forgotten how painful but between the toes. wow. hasnt stopped aching since 11 am lol then hering more tales and words from lee. god..did anyone else think he seemed eager to tell all??? maybe some sibling rivalry there
where is my monday night therapist?? LOL she’ll be back I hope, i can’t stay up, but am reading alot of the blogs i missed guys
where is my monday night therapist?? LOL she’ll be back I hope, i can’t stay up, but am reading alot of the blogs i missed guys
Hi Pammyliz! Sorry I missed you last night but I read all your comments. Sounds like you had a rough day, so I hope today is much better! Talk to you later tonight! 🙂
The more I read about sociopath (basically meaning without guilt or empathy) the more I understand what C&G must have gone through in raising monster. It’s hard not to want to delve into monster’s mind to find out how someone becomes so cold and calculating that they are capable of murdering their own child.
From what I’ve read so far it all starts with “fearlessness” in a child, which is an inborn trait in 3% of males and 1% of females. These children are “at risk” of developing a antisocial personality disorder, which makes parenting skills very important in the first few years of a child’s life. Studies show that children who experience the most fear experience the most guilt. Children who are fearless have little guilt and less inhibition when it comes to violating rules. Yet, in our society many view fearlessness and independence as positive and desirable traits.
Now, the other side of the coin is for these “at risk” children to develop a conscience through empathy. At risk children need large amounts of nurturing attention. An especially close, loving relationship with at least one caregiver is required for empathy to develop. Because at-risk children are also impulsive and very difficult to be with, it is hard to provide them with the nurturing attention they need. Parents who succeed with at risk kids do so because they strike a balance between training impulse control and paying loving positive attention.
Wow… anyone raising children should know all this, but how many really do?
I wonder why the tow company didn’t have the police check the car before it was released to G&C; they were aware of the smell and associated it with decomposition as well. Instead we have G&C doing a cleaning of clothing and airing out of the car.
MMT,
That was some great info above – well done!
Elle, I was wondering the same thing about the tow company. Geesh, you’d think they’d know it was their civic duty nevermind anything else to report such a stench to the police. And I’m sure that would have been enough probable cause for a search warrant and Caylee’s disappearance would have been known two weeks earlier! That could have made all the difference!
MTC
Glad someone else finds that odd about the tow company.
BBL – off to work now
Hi MNT I knew you were missng, yah the toe stopped hurting finally, still no car, getting a ride in to work. very frustrating when you use your car FOR work and they take all day about it and then try to add more stuff. hoping for a smoother day… you read my posts totally disgusted once again, and now I worry what are they gonna come up with next? now I hear this new theory of someone said she sold her.. ridiculous, like i said this family is a mess, including all of them, brother, i dont know what his deal is, I mean yes i applaud him for his honesty trying to help in his missing niece disappearance at least he told the truth but the things he brought up about her and mom, very very telling…
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