Took a real man to say all that.Good Luck Cobra and God Bless you. You have a big heart.

What a mess. I never thought eight months ago when I first heard the 911 call on national TV there would still be no proof of what happened to this little girl.

Cobra,
Once again you have proven that my initial instincts about you were true. You are a real man. A passionate man who fights for what he believes in and is not above humbleness. The game is worth the candle. Life without struggle is life without strength. Hang in there.

texasgoldengirl YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG, WHY DO YOU THINK I GOT INTO SO MUCH TROUBLE? I KNOW ALL ABOUT CRYSTAL, HER MOM, CHAD AND HALF THE FOLKS THERE. LET ME SAY THIS, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO CONVIT YET!

I don’t know Cobra, I know you are trying your best at this point to clear things up, but you still have a new youtube video, by none other than the kim herself to listen to.. I know you have other things to do, and a family to care for. For those of us who have been around since the beginning, you have become a household name. I know how you feel about Tim H. and it is sad.. because I don’t think he wanted to cause you any harm. I do believe he has a protective wing covering you. One problem with this, there really is a lot of truth in what Tim is reporting, and unfortunately because it involved so many people, that even the truths are being cast aside. Time from now we will look back and wonder, how and why things have occurred. What I fear is that we will realize just what was really going on in Putnam County. The one thing that I know.. What info you brought out of this case involving people, was true. Absolutely, true. I also know that your mentioning a phone call from Papa Sheffield and his Daughter caused a lot of fury. I am concerned that Fury touched you, and has effected your decisions.

cobra,

I think the minute you even thought about investigating crystal, the you-know-what hit the fan.

Are you going to tell me that crystal has never done drugs? that she hasn’t slept around a bit herself. That she would be mother-of-the-year. But we only hear the dirt on ron and misty.

Kim says stay away from crystal so everyone does. I have read nothing anywhere about finding out who all of crystal’s relatives are?

have you asked ron which of crystal’s relatives might have haleigh? hopefully they were together a while (long enough to make two babies). Instead of asking him over and over about misty, how about someone asks him for a list of crystal’s friend and relatives that might have haleigh? Your buddy Kim isn’t going to give you one and neither is crystal.

You and Tim have certaily asked him repeatedly over and over and over about Misty and everything to do with her?

Frankly, misty is beginning to look like an underdog to me. There are a lot of other possibilities but LE, Tim Miller, Cobra are all zeroed in on a 17 year old airhead who certainly is not sophisticated enough to fool the whole FBI, etc.

Ted Bundy passed a lie detector test. The one thing I have learned watching this is if I am ever asked to take a lie detector test, I will tell the person asking me to take a long walk off a short pier. They are not accurate. If they were, the results would be admissable in court.

To texasgoldengirl

Correction

In the picture on your link, I am guessing that you are the girl on the left.

Nice article Cobra……..

Well, I was expecting something like this. Possibly a means of retracting statements to avoid being sued. I don’t care. I don’t see how any of that mess and upset got the investigation any closer to finding Haleigh. (Of course someone will say they found out “something” but can’t tell us yet! LOL)

And I am well and truly SICK to death of hearing excuse after excuse for the most inexcusable, stupid, nonsensical and imbecilic behavior be “It’s for Haleigh.” (Not just you, W (C) S but many others do the same thing. It’s about got to where the child’s name is being defamed with that garbage. It makes anything and everything “okay” to do it “For Haleigh.” NO IT DOES NOT! It’s an insult and extremely disrespectful to Haleigh to USE her that way.

Oh yes. Let’s go toilet paper the neighbors’ trees tonight! It’s okay! It’s a good thing because “It’s for Haleigh!” My azz.

Poor child. The latest chorus of excuses for nincompoops, incompetents and morons.
Let’s just stop that please. At least let’s just stop using her like that.

Cobra all I can say is be careful when making a pact with the devil. The truth, all of it, will come out. To many people involved, to many internet comments, to many weak links.

HaLeigh will be found. The truth will be known. Those responsible will be punished, including those that did everything in their power to impede the search for HaLeigh.

If you can crawl back into bed with the devil and still look yourself in the mirror come morning, well then you are not the man that many thought you were.

Dang it M2C, I was soo gonna roll my dad’s house and say it was for Haleigh. Geez, you ruined my plans! 😉 Kidding Kidding.

Good points!

TIM has TAPES AND TAPES of the TRUTH

Cobra,
You’re the man! I hope I didn’t sound too harsh. At least you are back there trying and you can’t do much til you get your license back.

But crystal is protected by Kim who apparently has way too much clout in that area.

I have never understood why no one could believe someone had come in earlier, left a window open, etc. and why it was just absolutely from day 1 decided that misty was lying…even before the lie detector tests. I’m not saying Misty isn’t lying. I’m just saying that EVERYONE is zeroed in on Misty like a dog with a bone and there are all kinds of other possibilities.

What’s more, the video of the buy giving the lie detector test seemed pretty unprofessional assuming there is some degree of accuracy SOMETIMES…as he didn’t just keep asking yes and no answers and told her right in the middle she was essentially a liar.

I remember reading all kinds of trash about how Elizabeth Smart’s family had to be lying, how the screen was cut from the inside, how she really ran away from her Morman family but they just wouldn’t admit it, etc..etc….how lundsford had to be lying…cuz they took her right out of her bed (right sure…hard to believe), and god knows Jaycee Duggard’s stepfather went through hell being the god help him…”last person to see Jaycee”.

I hope you don’t think I was attacking you personally. I am furious that there seems to be some kind of political reasons why LE isn’t really thoroughly investigating the sex offenders and crystals side of the family.

How can they (not you), but they really investigate if they already have their minds made up. Get misty, drag the truth out of her. They only have two possible solutions.
It’s called dichotomous thinking. Drag the truth out of Misty or file it under cold case and move on.

Very well said, Lisa E!

Lisa…
1) Lie detector tests are not always accurate.
Misty could fail, because she’s absolutely nervous. Ron passed… Ted Bundy Passed, so that doesn’t say much.

2) What does Crystal have to say about that night? All she has to say is “I wasn’t there”.. I was at home, I don’t know what they do because I only see those kids every other weekend.
She is getting off easy by not being questioned so hard. She has no story.

3) That’s not true. & maybe they were coming back for Junior & Misty woke up first.

4) Some people don’t have access into information like that. IE: Drug addicts would rather pick up a blunt then a book.
Not saying that was HER case, BUT! …. it happens.

5) People talk.. anything that these people have said have been twisted, turned & what not.
She could say “The sky is blue” And they would be like ” MIsty is talking about the SKY, that’s where Haleigh must be- in Heaven!”

There are so many sides.
It could be Crystal. Could be Chad! Could be Misty, Ron…. who knows!

Personally, I’m going to stick with Ron or Misty.

Ron, only because of child abuse.

Everyone has their own opinion though, and I respect that.

Fact #1: Misty is the only party known to have failed multiple polygraphs and a stress analysis test regarding Haleigh.
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We don’t know if Crystal passed the polygraph Le gave her. Tim Miller’s polygrapher is the only one who came out publically and announced the results of a polygraph. Don’t know if Ron passed the polygraph LE gave him or not. Don’t know if Teresa was given one or passed one or not. LE does not announce the ressults. We only know what Tim Miller’s polygrapher said about Misty. That’s a FACT.

Fact #2: Misty (& Ron’s) accounts of the events that night have been inconsistant, not Crystal’s.

I have yet to understand what is so inconsistent about misty’s account? She is an airhead. I’ll give you that. The bed was three inches away. The child had white hair, etc. Why would she lie about that? I will say that Misty has an obvious communication problem and her learning disability shows. I’d like a list of the inconsistencies. Whenever I hear this comment it is always like, she said the blanket smelled like pee but haleigh was potty trained. And I’m like, “Hello, like junior couldn’t have peed on a blanket. Junioe wasn’t old enough to be potty trained. That’s a FACT.

Fact #3: When a noncustodial parent kidnaps their children, they take all their kids, not just one of the kids. Case in point: Ron Cummings stole both kids from Crystal after shortly after they split up.
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The door was blocked open. That’s a FACT SO We don’t know that someone wasn’t coming back for Junior. IT is possible that Misty awakened and they had to take off with onlyone child.

What’s more, Crystal was due to get thrown in the slammer for past due child support for three years. Junior’s child support hadn’t reached that point yet from what I understand.

Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
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If they thought she stole the kid. But if the kid is “gone” and the custodial parent is not taking care of them, the other parent does not have to pay child support on a child that is not in that household anymore. Kid is not eating, no one is buying clothes for them. They aren’t there. That’s a FACT.

Fact #5: There is video of Ron and Misty separately, within a couple of days of Haleigh’s disappearance, referring to Haleigh in the past tense — none such of Crystal doing the same. At one point, Ron falls to the ground and said he’d give “anthing” for his “daughter’s life back”. Misty, at one point, describes Haleigh using the words ’she was’.
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I’ts a fact that if Ron and Misty don’t know where she is after 48 hours, odds are the child is dead and that is common knowledge. LE will tell you that. However, if you kidnapped the child and know it is safe and sound at a distant relatives, there is no reason to refer to them in the past tense. It wouldn’t even occur to you.

Let’s stop pulling ‘Casey Anthony’s’ by throwing around baseless accusations to draw attention away from the true suspects.
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Casey Anthony had some serious evidence proving she drove around with her dead child in the trunk of her car and she didn’t report her child missing for 31 days.

ANd that statement that you just made makes it clear that you have already decided Ron and Misty are the ones to blame period. There can be no other suspects. And that is exactly what I am referring to. The FACT that innocent people have been prime suspects (Duggard’s step father for instance) for years when they were 100% innocent, but LE zeroed in on “the last person to see the victim” like a dog with bone…which is not investigating. It’s jumping to conclusions.

Well said Texas.

Way cool:

“They tore her ass UP!” That’s UP!

nance, you just explained it to me, you don’t have enough heart to have compassion on a broken, grieving grandma. How sad. Treece

Many reasons to look at the Sheffield side are we living in twilight zone? GO LOOK ON THE MOTHERS SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WACOT, nances, original stmt posted at 2:25 today
was referring to an article Tim H recorded of Cobra talking about LE unmercifully chewing Teresa Neves out for talking to Cobra. Evidently scared her to tears and threatened to lock her up for discussing the case way back in the beginning of the case I think. Treece

WACOT if you woke up or came home from work and found that your Child was missing do you really believe that you would have the selfish sense of mind to be concerned whether your house were clean or not?

Treece,

Why don’t you just go play on the nearest four lane highway?

Oh, and Treece, – remember to take your crayons with you.

There are other reasons for only taking Haleigh – whoever did it. For example, an SO who’s only interested in girls. Or, and this is a wild idea but still not impossible, what if someone “sold” Haleigh (think adoption by a desperate but good couple – although the other hideous possibilities are also likely). Has LE ever followed the money? Looked in to the woman who gave Crystal $12,000 to pay for the back child support? Maybe that money was funnelled through her by the people who got Haleigh? Things like this do happen and given the lack of “evidence,” what’s the harm in LE following up? I wish I knew if they had.

nance, why so nasty? No need for that. We can disagree.

oceanviewnan – I believe crayon boy is Cobra because he’s mentioned using crayons when posting comments here.

MOTIVE-
They were half naked in the HBC? What?!!?
Where is this information coming from?
This is all stuff I haven’t heard.
Is that why Kim was fired?

I don’t know the situation with Kim. :/

thanks m2c, but Cobra said above that crayon boy is printing rubbish, he’s talking about himself?

Cobra,

Great article – thanks for posting!

Way cool: “They tore her* ass UP”!

*Teresa Neves

Treece, no worries! 😀 Just smile and worry about you hun!

nance, I deleted your last comment because we can’t allow any name calling in here. Just because you and treece do not agree does not give you the right to call her names.

PLEASE stop it or we will have to shut down the comments in these threads. There is absolutely no need to get nasty with anyone.

Thanks,

Jan Barrett

YES Cobra told us that Crystal was doing Jeremiah and so was Kim, told us Crystal was strung out on pills,She owed 12,000 child support He told us he found crystal and jeremiah in a compromising situation. OR is Cobra a big fat liar and is there for no other reason but to divert attention away from Crystal family??????????????

They tore her ass up for talking to Cobra. See what I mean? What’s with LE? What are they doing? It’s just another “cold file” to them.

It’s like they are actually afraid Cobra would find something and it would make them look like they didn’t try hard enough, but honestly if the answer doesn’t come right out and flash in front of them in big neon letters, can LE really find anything?

Don’t speak Cobra very well, but I do speak a little Snake Plisskin.

I think “crayon boy” is this Tim Holmseth dude from writeintoaction.com

I only went there because there was some of Cobra’s stuff there. I listened to the audio & blew off everything else. Seems like he (Holmseth) takes things out of context rather dramatically.

bah! all crap

It boggles my mind how so many people are trying to make stuff fit into strange theories when we’ve already been told what happened.

NayNay….White Boy Greg…..Misty

They’re all out of jail now (didn’t NayNay get out today?) Let’s throw em a party…they like parties.

TH seems to have “sources” just like everyone else. He’s no different, but a lot of what he says makes sense.

I agree, Skywise! I haven’t seen a better example of “yellow journalism” (and the word “journalism” is used quite loosely here) on the web. The National Enquirer is another current example.

oceanviewnan – I can’t understand anything Staubs writes (or says most of the time) so maybe he did mean someone else. If he didn’t mean himself, then I have no idea.

I don’t believe IMO that a man who has received awards for his work would be so ignorant that he would write the FBI, FDLE, State Attorney and so forth if he didn’t have the proof to back it up.

If it happen before yeah but know that i know he is one sided and doesn’t do boths sides of the family . i would turn him away

There are other reasons for only taking Haleigh – whoever did it. For example, an SO who’s only interested in girls. Or, and this is a wild idea but still not impossible, what if someone “sold” Haleigh (think adoption by a desperate but good couple – although the other hideous possibilities are also likely). Has LE ever followed the money? Looked in to the woman who gave Crystal $12,000 to pay for the back child support? Maybe that money was funnelled through her by the people who got Haleigh? Things like this do happen and given the lack of “evidence,” what’s the harm in LE following up? I wish I knew if they had.
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That’s the kind of brainstorming that I wish LE would try to get their butts in a room and try throwing out evey conceivable scenario and checking it out.

No one has been able to tell me either whether the FBI can notify the American Medical Association to make sure that ever single Endoctrinologist or whatever kind of specialists treats children with Turner’s syndrome has a picture of haleigh e-mailed to them. It doesn’t even cost paper. They could e-mail a picture.

etc.etc.

but no LE only has one answer. Turn Misty upside down and shake the answer out of her. Problem is, she either doesn’t have the answer or she’s not talking.

Gag me with a spoon -TCH. He can open his own blog if people want to talk about his carp.

WACOT,

Yep, I’ll agree – that sure is name calling!

nance, all I’m saying is I try to be open minded and read all I can. I do not want to have tunnel vision like some people. All things are possible because basically all this is, is a sounding board for people to bounce ideas off of one another. And m2c, that’s what I mean about tunnel vision

You all are missing the point here.

I am sure that Cobra has faced off on the shinnanigans placed in the public venue for one purpose. To remind EVERYONE that the most important issue is this:
THERE IS A LITTLE GIRL MISSING.

PLEASE focus your attention, prayers, and hearts on HaLeigh and knock it off with the BS.

MissingKy – There is a difference between filtering out sensationalized BS and “tunnel vision.” I have always had an open mind about what might have happened to Haleigh. But I do not have to read every piece of used toilet paper to keep up with the “news” especially from a site that I consider to be a great example of misleading information (or “yellow journalism.”)

I have not missed out on one iota of relevant information about this case by refusing to read garbage. And I have visited the “dump” so I know.

That’s my opinion. People “buy” what the National Enquirer “sells” too so it’s certainly your right. I’m not interested.

Please Help Missing Children said – I agree about focusing on Haleigh. Maybe if we weren’t constantly distracted by someone’s personal legal problems and all the gossip (really! NO new evidence, just talk) that’s ensued to this day around all of that plus some other sideshows we COULD focus on Haleigh. JMHO.

MissingKy: That’s a deal. So I hope we can also leave TCH on his site. I’m here – and not there -for a reason.

m2c I didn’t realize you were able to tell people what they were allowed to talk about on here. Guess I need to check the guidelines.

MissingKy,

LOL! Wanna-be chiefs can always get their own blog to censor!

oops, please forgive me. I just deleted someone’s comment by accident. I didn’t mean to di it. I am sorry. It has been a long day for us here.

Jan Barrett

Nance, please READ! I said, “So I hope…”

If that sounds like an “order” to you, well, that’s a reading comprehension problem.

Sure, m2c,

You’re only fooling yourself.

nance, if I find the video again I will let you know. Gotta go, grand babies coming in.

MissingKy,

Thanks,

I gotta roll, too . . .

May do a search for it when I get a chance.

Crystal said that Jr told the police that a “man in black” saw Haleigh… I really think that she put that thought in his head but I remember Misty saying that sometime that night Jr crawled across her in bed and got out of bed maybe he got up with Haleigh seen someone grab her first and ran back in the bed with Misty…Police have not said what Jr. has said about that night if he remembered anything or not but Crystal could know that Jr seen someone come in that house and need to cover any tracks taht she would have anything to do with it. Someone that she knows has Haleigh she is never upset and never in public trying to keep Haleighs name alive I never see interviews with her and when I did at the beginning it was alway throwing doubt on Ronald and Misty. She was never just focused on Haleigh. Nancy even questioned why she had not questioned Misty, well thats because she doesnt need to she knows where Haleigh is she just never expected the attention it has caused.

Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Crystal has Haleigh? No

Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Ronald did something with Haleigh? No

Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Misty, WBG and NayNay did something with Haleigh? Yes

That witness IS credible. That witness wasn’t in jail at the time. That witness got nothing in return. That witness is my friend. NayNay has threatened him. NayNay is free.

I’m going to pull all my hair out.

Skywise, please excuse my ignorance but who is the witness you are talking about who went to LE to tell them that Misty, WBG and NayNay did something? (Sorry!)

denise,

that is interesting. I have often wondered why the police (sorry but I just am so frustrated at the way they handled this in the very beginning) didn’t get Junior completely away from Ron and Misty and interview Junior themselves in the beginning.

What if he did crawl over Misty, see a man take haleigh and then ran back and that’s what woke Misty up. They should have put him with a child psychologist right way and told Ron and Misty that sometimes with play therapy, they can learn things in case he did awaken and see anything.

Children that young don’t LIE if they can just find a way to communicate. Now, it’s days later, and Crystal has to tell LE what he said he saw so they get it heresay and have to wonder if Crystal planted that thought.

Honestly the few times in my life that I have ever had to talk to a policeman, they just seem like secretaries with clipboards. They don’t seem very pro-active at all.

Skywise, thank you! I remember now!

TexasGoldenGirl It wasn’t just one person that gave out that womens private info. It was a group of them and while their private information was not given out they all were exposed and even parts of their private blogs or room or forums and who started them as well. I know who they all are or should say were now that many use different names after that disaster. They were all nasty and still troll the Topix forum on HaLeigh (and Anthony forums using fake names and ISP’s) like a pack of hyenas. If one shows up you know the rest are lurking waiting to come in to defend the one who’s postings disrupt the forum. They plan ahead of time who is going to do what and who they will trash. Tired of trashing and insults. I doubt it because you and friends are still at it.

Cobra:

Do you think LE will ever let this case be solved, or do you think they will keep stalling and blocking all efforts? Do tou think they are under enough pressure to make them stop covering their own behinds and get this case settled?

Cobra – Nitpickers aren’t worth the effort. They just look for more to pick apart and say “shame on you for being human.” Life’s too short.

Hmmm – Since I was the one being stalked for those 6 months, I’m glad the jerk was exposed, but to who? Certainly Rob didn’t care as he still has at least one on his site.
Thanks.

I don’t think Crystal or her family had a hand in taking Haleigh from a locked house. MOO

You know how many times I could have swore I locked my doors, And 1 of them wasn’t locked.

I think Misty locked the doors. The reason I think that is she is 17 and may have been scared at night and she would make sure the doors were locked. MO

Depends on if she had friends there that night. These are things we just don’t know.

Cobra – Thanks for the
EARTH-SHATTERINGING,
SEISEMIC, EXPLOSIVE,
REICHTER-SHAKING DEVELOPMENT!!!

lol

Cobra, the offer is open in that I still want to assist you anyway I can.

My email information is plugged into this so Jan can give it to you if you still want to contact me. I’m NOT putting it out here after seeing the mean spirited, immature, name calling comments today. I though you were better than that folks….shame on you. Joe Houston… looked him up on google. Wow!

Homespain – I was looking for you to coordinate efforts. Please email me:
Sunflowers2001-detects@yahoo.com
Thanks!

How can we help him?? What can we do to help William aka Cobra Staubs? This blogger news could put up a paypal button or sell cafe press stuff with Cobra nickname or even his regular name. Cobra you will need money for best attorney to make sure you stay free to help people like you do. If everyone bought a COBRA hat or t-shirt or coffee mug or notepad or something it could go to your defense fund.

Cobra…water under the bridge. Do your thing.

mariesilk…

Yes 2 counting the woman that talked to Tim Miller. That’s all I know of.

You’re right about the first two questions, I’m not sure. I was just pointing out what we (the public) know. I just don’t understand why people reach for something that isn’t there when they’ve got something that IS there to work with.

No, he wasn’t in custody.

I want to have faith in LE, but they didn’t take NayNay’s car when Cobra brought it to their attention and witness names are being made public. WTH? Why’d they give NayNay a witness name in the first place? Why not make her GUESS who’s talking? I don’t get it. I don’t get it at all.

I hope she’s reading this. I want her to know he’s got friends. I want her to know that if anything happens to him & his, she’s gonna have bigger problems to worry about than jail.

GET THESE PEOPLE ALREADY.

Skywise, thank you for the link. I listened to it carefully, and apparently a tired dog was there and a handful of items allegedly were found, including a set of keys that Cobra later found out fit the door and ignition of Nay-Nays auto.

A lot of betrayal of confidences going on, that’s for sure.

I get the impression you’re honest, and a very good friend to Don, willing to do what you can to make sure he and his remain safe.

I am beginning to understand a little more why Teresa Neves hasn’t been more forth-coming with more of the truth. With Ron threatening to commit suicide and LE threatening her, she was awfully limited on what she could say.

FighterOfCrime – You asked about a photo on our forum. The photo field you refer to comes with a stock photo from blog host, however we rotate photos on a limited-time use arrangement. Some come from law enforcement units who receive free ad space and some are stock.

WinterRose:

I was referring to Tim Miller’s statement about Ron putting the gun in his mouth, saying he would kill Misty and then himself, if he found out Misty had anything to do with this. I believe Cobra or Art told us that Crystal and Amber, both, told him that Ron loved to play Russian Rouilett by puttin a gun in his mouth. He scared them to death. I was referring to LE threatening to put her in jail if she kept talking to Cobra. I would take that, if I were her that they wouldn’t want me letting much out, at all.

karon,
i do wonder if that is true that ron played russian roulette in front of his girlfriends, was it to just to scare them, because he thought it is appropriate fun to scare someone like that ha ha ha or would it be to say i am one scary person who will do anything? you better stay in line. i guess it could also be a test of love or devotion to see how the person reacts to such behavior. if you really love me you will be very upset, kinda thing.

IN A PERFECT WORLD, THEY WOULD DROP THE CHARGES, ARREST ANYONE ON BOND FOR SEX CRIMES, AND PAY ME TO GO BACK THERE WITH MY ENTIRE TEAM. THE ONES I COULD NOT AFFORD ON THE FIRST GO ROUND.

FIND OUT HOW THEY FOUND OUT WHO KILLED THOSE CIVIL WORKERS IN THE GREAT STATE OF MISSISSIPPI. WHO DID THEY USE? DID IT WORK?
NIKE SAID WHAT?

Cobra:

I remember you telling us about Ron calling you one night about lights in an empty house, next door. He thought it might have something to do with Haleigh going missing. I believe you were telling about that on the Sunday Radio Program. You said you din’t know why he didn’t call the police. Do you think that was a set-up for someone to get rid of you, before you could tell what you knew?

FighterOFCrime said,in October 15th, 2009 at 7:57 pmHow can we help him?? What can we do to help William aka Cobra Staubs? ….If everyone bought a COBRA hat or t-shirt or coffee mug or notepad or something it could go to your defense fund.

pen to go with the notepads. any other ideas?

cobra do you have a brand name or logo that is legal to use. maybe a artist here could help you design something???

Thanks Lisa E

To quote the fictional Joe Friday, “Just the facts, ma’m”.

1. Were there signs of forced entry?
2. Was there any lighting? Was there a full moon? Unless someone knew where those cinder blocks were, it would be hard to locate them in the dark, especially if a person was trying to kid-nap a child knowing there was an adult sleeping close by.

There are a lot of possibilities, but what are the probabilities?

NO LOGO, THE NAME OF MY FIRM AND WEB SITE IS

http://WWW.LIGHTNINGSTRIKEFORCE.US SO MY LOGO NEEDS TO BE A COBRA MADE OF A LIGHTNING STRIKE OR SIMPLY A SINGLE BOLT OF LIGHTNING AS THAT FOR SOME IS WHAT IS COME! OH YEA IT IS AT THE DOOR. IT AIN’T COMING NO MORE, IT IS COME!

KAREN COX
RONALD IS SUCH A PY HE ALMOST PISSED HIMSELF WHEN HE MET ME! HE APPEARS TO ONLY HURT LITTLE GIRLS AND SOME SAY RATS TOO.

Cobra, Ms. Peridot, Fighter,

I want a Cobra mug to drink my caffeine from while reading insider news at BNN!

Cobra:

O.K. I’ll save my money!

Lisa’s out:
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601

Flies to honey

Cobra:

If you come up with an idea, let us know. There should be a way.

Some very interesting reading here.
Cobra, I think you have put yourself out there more than anyone else in this case with the possible exception of TJ Hart. I have not always agreed w/your “approach” (the KP b.s.) but bottom line, your motives IMO have been true. Your quest is to find Haleigh and you’ve been through the ringer because of it. Many would have given up a long time ago, and some have.

As far as TH, I personally find him interesting in a “sensationalist” kind of way. His “articles” and “innuendo’s” remind me of when I am at the check out counter and pick up the NE or some other rag, skim through it and think to myself, “anything for money and fame.” Don’t know if he is getting paid, but you get my point. I remember the “fake photos” articles. Enough said.

I do NOT think that as messed up as Crystal is, that she or any family member or her fiance’ are involved in this case. IF they were, it would have been brought to light by now in some form. I also don’t think that Misty killed Haleigh, but I do think she knows a heck of a lot more than she is saying..as does Ron.

I live near Austin but will not be able to attend the benefit on Saturday. Nor, do I think I would because I am not 100% convinced where this money is going. That being said, I hope it goes to an appropriate funding to find Haleigh.

Cobra, keep up the good work and God speed with your legal issues. I find it deplorable that you out of all the people possibly involved in these horrible circumstances, would be arrested.

And p.s. to TexasGoldenGirl..I know of what you speak on a first hand basis.

Cobra:
I may have missed it, but do you have a P.O. Box address where we could send a check or M.O.? I want to help you, but I don’t like giving out my e-mail address. Some others might feel this way, also.

TexasGoldenGirl….me too! Only I was considered the Troll, since I had an opposing opinion then most. Different site, same BS.

Cobra;

I believe your intentions are honorable. I do believe that your investigation into Haleigh’s disappearance triggered when you got too close to the real perpetrator(s). I too want to do something to help you in your quest to clear your name and set things back to right, so you can continue to do what you do best.
There are several FL residents, as well as many from other states who support Cobra. We need to band together and DEMAND to know why D Snodgrass was NOT arrested for breaking the law, several of them. We need to DEMAND to know why police officers accompanied Cobra on the Snodgrass mission without them knowing 100% that Cobra had authority to do so. Why didn’t they stop him? Why didn’t they make sure that Cobra was within the law by recending Snodgrass’ bond? Isn’t that part of thier job? If they were there on scene, offering aid, and didn’t make sure all paperwork is in order, I think they need to answer for that. If D Snodgrass never left the vacintity of those police officers, then how could Cobra have falsley imprisioned him? He was breifly held WITH POLICE AUTHORITY, then released. PCSO, you need to back down and drop this thing…it’s gonna get really ugly!
We need to consider, those of us who support Cobra, a letter writing campaign. We need national attention and fast! He needs for the masses to know and care about his plight against INJUSTICE!
I’m still thinking about the poster that mentioned her friend’s kids saw Misty at “the party” that night but “LE’s kids all know better than to talk.” What the Hey! I think I know as I have been a close friend to the child of a high ranking police offical. There were many nights his dad would get a call that he had been under-aged drinking at a party and to come and get him, then he’d be taken out a back or side door while the other kids were rounded up. True story, does fit what the senario is.

Oh yea! I hope Snodgrass realizes that the “next” bondsman he asks for a bond might not give him one, as they might get arrested too! He clearly doesn’t respect the fact that without the bond person he would be behind bars still. Just for that fact alone, he should have taken his lumps and shut the hell up!

Oh, now Cobra needs money. Why am I not surprised. This man doesn’t know the truth if it walked right up and smoked him in the face. We have spent weeks talking about how Misty must be lying cause her story always changes, well she’s not the only one with a flexible story. I think there are different reasons that he was not wanted around there, he cries conspiracy, but judging by his communications, I am betting he was a pain in the ass and more of a hindrance than a help. He sure likes to talk, but never really says anything. Cobra is a master at manipulating the facts to make himself look better and hovers in the grey area between what is legal and what is not. And just because what someone does is legal does not mean it is right or just.

I agree that the charges are fishy, but we don’t know what all went on except what Cobra says, and he changes that when it suits him, so you all go and give him your money, but maybe you should look at what the Sheffeild’s got for their money.

Cobra declared bankruptcy. Cobra got a tricked out $100k suv from the swat swap. Cobra got a ex wife and 5 kids with child support. Cobra can’t pay the bondsman for all the perps he bonded out on his name. Cobra needs his own bond and no one can do.

Cobra presents a 2006 letter from nat’l company and act like it is still worth a snake’s hiss.

Ron might be a PY. Better to be a PY than a cheap tricking double dipping tea bagger wearing a thong and pretending he’s a f’ing superhero rattling cages and effecting change.

Bill went back to crushing on Kim after Jerimiah got out of the picture it seems. I can’t wait to find out what Cobra’s next inspiration is. I bet his favorite color is green

There is so much going on behind the scenes that no one gets to see that is being investigated by the LE and FBI. They don’t make it public so it doesn’t ruin their investigations but they are doing things like searches of peoples homes by tips and checking SO’s. There are more possiblitlites to this case other than just one side of the family or the other. Look for Haleigh out there. Check the car next to you on the highway. LE does check into sightings and every tip. They may not respond to every tip but they do check them out. Cobra is a good man with a heart of gold and he is out there searching. Looking in garbage, stake outs deep into the night gathering information all for a child who is out there still. She’s in danger people, while you go to bed, she goes to bed and a nightmare every night. When we wake up happy to face another day she is out there crying that no one has found her and today she has to face another day of horror. Focus on finding this girl she needs us to stop the bickering of who to blame and get out there and look for her. Pass her photo in your emails, not everyone knows her believe it or not, not everyone would know her if they sat right next to her. Help her and do something for her.

Stumpy and Get Smart could you please provide your true names and address as we would like to send you an invitation to this legal party.

We may know you already, but why take chances, huh? You seem to have certain facts related to this litigation. We are very interested. Caseclosed@bellsouth.net thank you

I did not know u cld get divorced this fast.
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/16/news/news01.txt

Cobra -the specific facts mentioned in those posts are telling, and yes, very interesting. Only a few would know.
My friend, stop haggling with the imbeciles of the world, the Unabomber followers. That drumbeat comically gained him nothing except public embarrassment, a shattered rep, 100’s of hours of wasted life, cops up his arz, deeper in debt, and further alienated from his own babies.
No need to ask them for identities or emails, my darlin’. You may pack spy savvy, but your friend packs a more powerful punch – Subpoena power.
Overconfident fools, who obviously haven’t followed national court rulings in cyber lawsuits, as seemingly anonymous nics no longer keep them hidden, and “IMO” tags don’t save these sweetie pies from libelous blogs.

Cutesy initials of this sort do not stand up in court, and do not provide an insta-shield for defamation and fraud. The 1st Amendment has its boundaries. And Anonymous Proxy Server providers can be served with a US Subpoena, too. “IMO” and family no longer serve as the Easy Button for blanket immunity from tort liability. It costs a bundle to hire a defense attorney vs. losing and having your assets stripped, shattered credit, wages garnished, tax refunds taken, for…uh…just about forever to pay off a Judgment.

Honey, they don’t see you comin’, do they? They need to put their thinking caps on… (wink, hair flip, eye lash flutter, and a seething growl) This team is the master of redirection, distraction, and stealth. You will eventually have no choice but to run to our door and knock to seek solace from the burning heat we’ve put on you. Memba?
Oh- IMO.

Sunny: very well said, I agree completely.

m2c =

“I think this case would be MUCH better off if WS and KP turned their attention in any other direction and just butted out”
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I’m thinking you’re right. I’m not going to ask him any more questions.

I got faith in LE…faith in LE…faith in LE

oh & off topic but I was listening to that handy dandy little Putnam Police Scanner link last night and does that dispatcher have a great voice or what?

I apologize to everyone because my last post sounds so harsh. It reflects my level of disgust and frustration that’s only grown over the past few months.
Speaking a little more calmly now, I’m not saying that certain people did not have good intentions but what do they say the road to hell is paved with? It does not excuse the results.

And I still feel that this case has been dragged from the gutter to the sewer needlessly. We’ve not learned anything useful and only been distracted by unrelated drama. And worse, that drama has polarized US! The public who really care about Haleigh! We’re viciously fighting pro and con the likes of KP, WCS, Ron, Crystal, etc instead of keeping our minds open and THINKING and demanding that people who are objective and who have integrity look into this. Maybe that’s the FBI or higher level FDLE. But as long as we’re focused on these other things, we’re not putting the pressure where it belongs.

I’d like to see a state level “ombudsman” and/or FBI investigate the PCSO investigation AND investigate Haleigh’s disappearance with fresh eyes.

I think last night someone tried to post the email addys of agencies like that and they never showed up on the blog. So maybe we could try again and all of us write demanding action on this. I’ll try to look for the addresses or see if the earlier poster has them and will try again to post them. Now THOSE could be useful and meaningful emails! (Governor, congressman, State Att’y General etc)

Charlie Christ, FL Governor:
Charlie.Crist@myflorida.com

FL Attorney General, Bill McCollum:
Email Attorney General Bill McCollum

Sorry I tried to post e-mail addy for Bill McCollum 5 times and it just goes blank but you can look him up he’s the FL Att. Gen.

Jacksonville FBI

http://jacksonville.fbi.gov/

To texasgoldengirl:
Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
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If they thought she stole the kid. But if the kid is “gone” and the custodial parent is not taking care of them, the other parent does not have to pay child support on a child that is not in that household anymore. Kid is not eating, no one is buying clothes for them. They aren’t there. That’s a FACT.
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The fact is they would not have to pay on going child support if the child was no longer in the home, but they would still owe back child support. This is even owed after the child turns 18 unless the parent it is owed to decides they dont want it, or there is welfare owed. Now thats a fact

It makes my heart sink to think that someone like you, not only thinks it may not be solved but accepts it. I had always hoped you had info we did not, clues that were going to solve this sad thing. Does your accepting it mean you have hit a dead end, no private info to keep going after…Are you are giving up? Please don’t give up. Someone is going to slip, someone is going to say or do something based on “self preservation”. Maybe a good book deal offer will make someone talk? Please don’t DON’T give up!!!

Solvecrimes, Sorry, that shows from jbob, it’s from Treece.
My husband, jbob, was the last to post and I didn’t get it change. Treece

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Peridot:

You can get one that fast if a judge allows it, because they gave BTK’s wife an immediate divorce. It has to be an extreme situation, but that is the only one I have heard of.I am sure some of our people know more about the law than I do.

Ms. Machiavelli-Kim, is that you?

LMAO, what a fool. Funny, but a fool.

Whatcha trying to hush, Ms. Machiavelli?

NayNay was just released…1:12:54 pm

JJ, WTH??? We are suppose to Shut Up??? I don’t think so. I live in America. I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!! And My husband is fighting for that freedom and so much more as we speak. WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OUR OWN OPINION. I’d be damned if someone comes up in here and tells US to SHUT UP! Not happening.

BTW JJ, This wasn’t towards you. 🙂

IMO

ANOTHER MOTIVE- CHILD SUPPORT, And maybe it was misty and crystals mother, would support how crystal passed pholy! People, if my child were in a home where i had done everything i could as for as court and i could not get my child out legal, i would do what ever means i could to save my child, if crystal and her mother new misty was taking haleigh to these parties and she was not going to school and they feared for her life? What would you do? Just thinking?????????????????????????????Oh if jr was taken, ron would know who took them??? And jr was not sick, NOT SAYING THIS HAPPEND AT ALL! JUST THINKING!!!!Dope parties are a perfect place for a little girl to go missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!I don’t get crystal, when asked by nancy grace, why she did not asked misty what happend she just said something dum! TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOUR CHILD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL, WOULD YOU JUST STAND AROUND AND CRY? NO NO NO!!! YOU WOULD BE READY TO KILL AND RON TAKE’S UP FOR MISTY? AND CRYSTAL ACTS LIKE A DUMMIE, MISTY ACTS LIKE SHE REALLY CARES ABOUT A CHILD SHE WAS TAKING TO DRUG PARTIES! GRANDMOTHER ACTS LIKE SHE IS GOING TO DIE WHEN SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THESE KIDS AND NOT DEPENDING ON A TEENAGE DOPPER TO DO IT??????? SORRY FOR HALEIGH, PRAYING FOR HALEIGH PRAYING HARD FOR YOU BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HALEIGH DID NOT JUST DISAPPEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

paw69, I don’t think Crystal was responsible for Haleigh missing school. I think she had her kids only every other week end.
Funny how we think, you mentioned your husband earlier. That struck me so odd because every time I have read your blog before, in my mind, I was hearing a 69 year old, grand paw. ha ha
I see now that stands for something else.
Seriously I am thankful for what your husband does and for the sacrifice you both make. Treece

Treece, LOL PAW stands for Proud Army Wife, The 69,,, well, do I need to go into detail? LOL

As for Crystal and Haleigh missing school, I understood this took place before Ron got custody of the kids.

Ya know, maybe that’s why I keep turning towards Crystal having part in Haleigh’s disappearance. Because if this is the case, that would mean Haleigh is still alive and that’s why Crystal has no emotion, because she knows Haleigh is still alive but hidden.

I would hate to think that someone took her and did something really bad to her and she’s not with us anymore.

I don’t want this to turn out like Caylee.

OK Proud Army Wife, I see you with different eyes now and I am glad you are a PAW.
Unless I am mistaken Ron has had custody since before Haleigh started school. I think he got them when Jr was real little. I am not positive though because I can’t remember where but think I read that info.

Ughhh, We would have to go all the way back to the beginning to find out exactly what took place and my brain hurts too much today to go see lol.

Unless Simon or Jan or someone could help us with this lol.

I don’t blame you & the important thing is that someone find her. I just thought of something though. Crystal owed Ron $12K in back child support. It would have taken a long time for that amt to have built up. If her amt was set at $300 a month that would have taken over 3 years to build up so without going back I think we are safe to say Ron has had this custody for a long time. Treece

M2C,,,,I knew someone could help us. Thank You M2C.

Linda said at 12:40:

“People, if my child were in a home where i had done everything i could as for as court and i could not get my child out legal, i would do what ever means i could to save my child, if crystal and her mother new misty was taking haleigh to these parties and she was not going to school and they feared for her life? What would you do?”

The only thing about your reasoning is that Crystal hasn’t done everything she could have done. She never even tried. I have thought before it could have been Crystal and her family that planned it, but I feel like her motivations would be more to punish Ron and Misty. Junior is still there, you don’t see her fighting for him. So why would she go out of her way to steal Haleigh?

Seems like the more I think about Haleigh’s environment, the less hope I have of finding out the truth. Nothing makes sense and there are so many different scenarios that fit the little bits of info that we have. This is the kind of case that can get lost if procedure is not followed to the T by le right off the bat. I don’t trust that has happened here and it breaks my heart that that could be why she stays lost forever.

I pray for Haleigh every night, and I always will.

Mariesilk, When Haleigh went missing Crystal and her attorney tried to throw out accusations and did try to get Jr. But she failed that too.

I just know in the beginning it was stated she was behind on child support for the kids. I think it is for both. I also read someplace that her court order to pay this has not stopped or been lowered just because Haleigh is missing. It said she is still legally obligated to pay but I don’t know if this is accurate but have read it from news reports. Which we all know are not always correct.

I remember them saying haleigh had fallen at off the monkey bars at school, she looked really bad and her grandmother took her th the hospital where they made xrays and put her on meds also it was on the news that she had missed alot of school with ron due to her having Tuner Syndrome, i always wondered if they gave her the meds or not, if she died from that fall would ron hide the fact so that they would not take jr, i would say that he would for many reasons!

They wouldn’t take Jr. Just because Haleigh may have died from a fall at school. And I do believe she got her meds. There are videos of pics on youtube and there are a couple where Haleigh is doing her breathing treatments.

Anonymous person/people paid for Crystals back child support. Maybe she knew that would happen too. Since people have been sending to the Anthony’s and Crystal figured she could get this done.

I don’t know anymore, My brain hurts.

That injury with the monkey bars was a year or 2 old. When the pictures of her injury came out you could see she was younger. That was verified by the school that she was hurt there, I am pretty sure. I don’t think any proof ever came out that Ron had abused the kids ever. I think the child protective service did a huge investigation of all that when Kim P filed those complaints. The results were there was no sign of neglect or abuse with Haleigh or Jr.

PAW and Treece:

Crystal was responsible for not taking Haleigh to doctor’s appointments, but Ron has had the kids since Haleigh was 2 yrs old. Ron is the one who let her miss school. I remember seeing Ron tell NG that during an interview.

m2c, I have never figured out what really happened with Crystal & Kim P but I never saw anything that looked like it was to Crystal’s, Jr’s or Haleigh’s best interest. Besides the fact that Crystal’s back child support was paid, what other fruit came from that entire time. My memory only pulls up chaos. It seems like that area breeds, drama. Treece

treece @ 1:58 I agree. Not much but rumormongering, gossip, hard feelings etc came from KP’s involvement (except a lot of publicity for KP which, fortunately, backfired as far as I’m concerned at least)

If they did such a huge investigation, sorry but them kids would have been out of there, misty was 16 or 17 at that time and on drugs did they find that out? Would ron have lost child support if they knew haleigh had died? I know he would have lost jr!Seems to me they all look like liears, evertime they talk to ron his eye’s are so big and acts like he is afraid to anwser any questions and grandmother looks so good now like she got over it, i mean to me watching them all on tv they didn’t have any hope it was more like someone had died! Again just my opinion and thoughts.

mariesilk, I am not going to go back to the site where I think you read that story to check what I thought was wrong with it but the same site had a story about another supposed sighting like the next day at a gas station. BIG headline that LE didn’t follow up. Well if you read the story closely you’ll see that the “tipsters” claimed they did not report it until the next day because of no cell phone reception (My question: so the gas station didn’t have a phone to call 911?) and then they claim they watched the couple and child for a while (My question: But no vehicle description or license plate?)
If I were LE I would not bother following up on crap like that either. The whole point of having that story on that site was to create a “sensational” headline to get people all excited and worried and make LE look bad. The whole thing adds up to NADA and carp (I purposely misspelled that last word)

Linda, I don’t know what all they were thinking but I can speculate. IF I were in their shoes I would not have wanted to jerk JR from the security that he has and add any more trauma to his little heart than he already had, not having his sister. I would not have taken him if I felt he was safe. I assume alot of the stability that they felt was in Jr’s life would have been because the Grandmother was there and very capable.
If my child or grandchild were missing I would probably look worse than I would if I knew they were dead. If they were dead I would be devastated from my loss. If they were missing I would be devastated & in fear of what they might be suffering. I would look like crap, feel like crap, and probably be sick of most of the media’s questions. I would be sick of all the questions that had nothing to do with my child. So I personally can not judge them by how they look or act to the media. I could kiss the one putting my babies picture out there and deck the one that wants to ask about my love life or personal business. JMO Treece

Linda, but to acknowledge your question better it is true I don’t even know if they did an investigation at all. I just know it was told on the news that they did a deep investigation from many different reporters. BUt you are right we really don’t know what that entailed.

Linda, did you or someone say that the accident at school was investigated – at least after Haleigh went missing?
I sure hope so. And I wonder what the meds were.
Painkillers that someone could sell or trade or take themselves?
But chances are if Haleigh may have passed away at home from that, then Ron would probably have tried for a HUGE lawsuit against the school. I don’t know. And thinking – 3 weeks after the fact – that the COD was from the fall might not have occurred to whoever was with Haleigh. Someone could have panicked. Hopefully LE talked with the teachers at the school the day before Haleigh went missing-to see how she was feeling and acting.

m2c:

I don’t know which site you mean, I heard another group discussing it somewhere else. You have way more info than me, lol. I was just throwing around ideas.

Like I said, I go back on forth on this so fast I sometimes, I get dizzy. So the source is flimsy? Still, le should check it all out regardless, I don’t mean they should fly all over the country and track down everyone who makes a sighting, just call le down there and have them verify who the child really is. Most times it shouldn’t take too long to find out. And I would expect the same from you or myself or anyone if they were le.

m2c missing that many doctor appts is a big deal is too much to ignore.
Linda, I am sorry, gave you wrong info about monkey bar accident. I heard report that said that happened “last year” and I misunderstood it to mean “last school year”. In the pictures her hair seemed shorter to me so I mis assumed it was at least a year ago. Truth was “last year” was only 3 months prior to her coming up missing.
Sorry. Treece

SO Sundays show is going to be about Cobra and Kim and Waste of our time i see. It is a shame that HALEIGH gets forgot everytime. Why did kim come in the picture again? What is she trying to hide? Makes me think LE should be Looking at the mom’s side thouroughly!

gentry0263 said,in October 16th, 2009 at 10:32 am To texasgoldengirl:
Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
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If they thought she stole the kid. But if the kid is “gone” and the custodial parent is not taking care of them, the other parent does not have to pay child support on a child that is not in that household anymore. Kid is not eating, no one is buying clothes for them. They aren’t there. That’s a FACT.
The fact is they would not have to pay on going child support if the child was no longer in the home, but they would still owe back child support. This is even owed after the child turns 18 unless the parent it is owed to decides they dont want it, or there is welfare owed.
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Granted. You are right about that. But keep in mind that Crystal was fast approaching owing three years worth of back child support which is when they would have thrown her in jail whether Ron pressed charges or not. Haleigh’s dissappearance prevented her from reaching that three year mark from what I understand.

What’s more the debut was high and getting higher every day. Debt she couldn’t pay kept increasing monthly. So at least the amount stopped “building” the day Haleigh dissappeared.

I’m not saying Crystal did it or her fiance did it or that they even had anything to do with it. I’m saying that she has motive and everyone should be a suspect. I’m not saying misty isn’t guilty or possibly lying.

I am saying I don’t trust lie detector tests, the average stage hypnotist would have put that bozo from the FBI to shame, and it is also possible the Misty is innocent and telling the truth to the best of her muddled drug affected ability.

Shoot, they could all be innocent and it could be that low life across the pond with the boat that Law Enforcement non-chalantly dismissed after thinking about it for about 2 1/2 minutes because he wears an ankle monitor.

My problem is not that they consider Misty a suspect. My problem is that the ONLY consider Misty a suspect and no one else. You can’t get blood out of a turnip. They can’t seem to get what they think they want out of Misty whether she is purposely withholding, honestly doesn’t know or fears for her life. Why not look under very rock instead of just the “misty” rock.

I meant to say why not look under every rock instead of just the misty rock.

Good post texagoldengirl.

I agree WTF, enough with the Cobra show.

Texasgoldengirl, I agree with you they need to look in every direction. I’m not sure that child support stopped on Haleigh. I heard this discussed once and it was said her cs was court ordered and Haliegh being missing do not stop or reduce it,that she would have to go to court to get that done.
I like what m2c said about that earlier, looks like Kim P would have taken care of that months ago.

alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm texasgoldengirl, yes $12,000 and looming jail-time sounds like a lot of motive but when you think about how much it would cost in money and other resources to hide a child…. A child with medical problems and a webbed neck?

And I really don’t think any serious person would accuse her of killing the child, would they? Not even the most avid Crystal-haters, you would think.
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let me first of all say that I am not a Cyrtal-hater, but the fact is there’s a lot of motive there. That’s just a fact. Just like it’s a fact that Misty was babysitting when Haleigh went missing. There is also motive that she may not have thought Misty was an adequate caretaker and her belief that ron left bruises on Haleigh’s face once….combined with a horrendous, ever increasing debt. Motive and lots of it.

The nebulizer being missing points to the possibility that whoever took the child cares about the child and wants her properly cared for. That is why one of the things that infuriates me the most is that I can almost bet you that the FBI has NOT contacted the American Medical Association and asked them to contact every Endoctrinologist’s office in the entire United States and asked them to do a google search for a picture of Haleigh to see if she is being treated in their office.

Why do I believe they haven’t done that? For the same reason the police did not respond to a call (years ago) from some woman who lived by the Garrido’s claiming that a convicted sex offender had children living in his backyard!!! The police went out and questioned him in his front yard, and did not even go into the backyard where his kidnap victim lived with her two children.

It’s like they have this memorized rote routine that they go through. They assume after so many hours that the child is in all probability dead.

And finding Shawn Hornbeck, Elizabeth Smart, and now Jaycee Duggard who were not dead but forced to live in hell…has taught them nothing. They are really THAT STUPID or that unwilling to admit they need to make some serious changes when it comes to looking for missing children.

They need to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the child is not always dead and start re-thinking their response and act accordingly.

And the thing that bugs me the most is the fact that all the sex offenders in the area have not been thoroughly investigated. I realize that police don’t have the resources to do that themselves, but they just ARRESTED SOMEONE FOR CUFFING A SEX OFFENDER.

And this is not about liking or disliking Cobra. It doesn’t matter if he is a total jerk or a good hearted saint. The fact is the wrong person got thrown in jail that day and that’s a FACT!

In a perfect world, every citizen would be instantly deputized when a child went missing and regular members of the community could go around knocking on the doors of sex offenders telling them to step aside, they are going to have their house and property searched.

In a less than perfect world for crying out loud don’t arrest a licenced bond agent who is actually authorized to arrest someone who is violating their parole by continually hanging around children.

Misty, misty, misty. That’s all LE in Satsuma can think of. They must dream of tearing her limb from limb as they fall asleep each night, but the convicted sex offender that lives across the pond, with the boat in front of his house was eliminated as a suspect almost instantly in their minds because of an ankle monitor? Like someone couldn’t have delivered the child to him for a price there is Sodom and Gomorrah (I mean Satsuma).

Sorry for my rant and sorry if you think I hate crystal. I do not. I just think they need to search around every corner and it bugs me that they seem to be suffering from Misty tunnel vision.

Mariesilk, appreciate your earlier post re Crystal’s possible motives. Funny how the only real theory that works in any way of Crystal’s involvement is that she cared about the kids. So much for the Crystal-haters. Wonder who they really are anyway.

Frankly, I think the side-shows some complain about as “diverting attention from the search” are probably what’s going to break the case — IF it gets solved.

Unfortunately, Sunny may be right.

J, I agree there are a number of good men that have custody of their children and sacrifice much of their life to do so. It is not easy by any means. I also, know of a few who have taken custody for wrong reasons. Men & women alike can do it with the best or worst of motives.

Treece:
What I was trying to say earlier was that Crystal missed a bunch of doctor visits for Haleigh before she was two yrs. old. That was part of the reason she lost custody. Ron got custody of her when she was 2 yrs old and, he is responsible for her missing so much school. I heard Ronald on a NG interview saying this.

Karon, It seems from what i have observed that a great many “country” people simply do not take stock in doctors. I knew one who would not go unless he was falling on the floor, and someone picked him up and took him.It may be a cultural thing.I wouldn’t make too much of it.

There have been several recent news stories about parents whose religious beliefs prevented them from letting their children see doctors but I certainly won’t ascribe that reason/excuse to Crystal just because I’ve heard of it.

(BTW, those parents explained their reasons and both children died as a result).

I think when people have certain beliefs about doctors (and similar things) they tell people – whether it’s religion, or cost, or no faith in doctors. They tell people!

Anyway, I sure would like to hear from Crystal herself why she missed so many of Haleigh’s appointments. I guess that happened pretty long ago and may have come up in the custody hearings if it was ever discussed, so if anything was ever said about it, I guess it would be in those records. No use asking now (since we’ve just given her a choice of two reasons to pick from).

Also, I don’t think it’s a good idea to lump people into general categories like “country” and then ascribe certain tendencies to them. It’s generalizing and stereotyping. I know plenty of “country” people – just like anybody else – who go don’t mind and/or actually appreciate going to doctors.

I guess the best way to put it is MAYBE Crystal had some reason for not doing it and we don’t know it.

oh, m2c, was she with Ronald when all these appointments were missed? That would be very significant.

Oh, also to m2c, If you hunt around on the internet I’m sure you will find plenty of horror stories with the “wrong address” scenario Crystal is claiming when the custody suit begins. Do you actually live in Florida?

Wrong Address Scenario can mean a few things. 2 come to mind right now. Either she purposely gave the wrong address or she moves around way too much. But that’s just my opinion.

Paws? A person on their deathbed just might have a better chance of making that appointment than someone with certain conditions (such as severe PTSD.)

Oh, just my opinion, of course.

I’m done.

I could type all the medical problems me and both my kids have. But #1, there isn’t enough room here, #2 it’s very intense.

The point is, when you have a child/ren, they are 1st and fore most #1 in EVERYTHING. There are no excuses for not being able to take them to the doctor, or having the other parent take them or even a relative take them. NO EXCUSES.

BTW, I want to say this too. When Haleigh was missing school, Did Ron or Misty or TN or anyone else go get any homework for her so she wouldn’t fall behind in school? Because if no one did, then he’s just as bad as Crystal for not taking Haleigh to her appointments. Both issues are extremely important for children.

Why are we arguing, Crystal obvously was not a fit parent or she would have custody of her children!!! And I lived in Florida my entire life (yes, an original Florida Cracker), it’s not easy for a man to get custody from the mother in the great state of Florida, there has to be extenuating circumstances. So no need to argue about what kind of mother she was, a judge already ruled on that one!

Each state is different. I know when my kids were sick in Kindergarten, I went to the school to get the activities they did that day and the next day if needed. They gave me worksheets for them to do.

Thank you, Toughenough.
Some people go ballistic when just one negative thing or opinion is expressed about some people (more than just Crystal).
And that’s the “polarizing” kind of thing that puts an end all “thinking” and all real debate, discussion or investigation.
Haleigh is not going to be found by choosing up sides, sticking to them no matter what (the “my guy can do no wrong” attitude) and battling it out on a blog. It’s ridiculous

I want to say I have blogged with M2C many times. We have debated, so to speak, on a number of things we didn’t agree on but I have never seen M2C react violently on anything. I also have seen him defend Ron, Misty, and Crystal when someone was really going off on speculations with nothing to base it on. One of the reasons I always like M2Cs comments is they seem to stay so level headed & balanced. I think you must be misunderstanding something.
JMO thanks, Treece

Karon cox, I agreed it was Ron’s fault Haleigh missed school, that was the point I was making was that Crystal had the kids every other Sat & Sun. she wouldn’t have had them on school days.
Just FYI, Treece

LOL Poor M2C… We use you for our examples in debates lol. I’ve posted with you since the Casey case. So I know how our dicussions can get. 😛

Treece – Thank you! I’m going to have to hit the dictionary to be sure I know what “violent” means and see how it relates to my 7:12 post! LOL!

PAW69 – Exactly! That’s what we’re here for! To share ideas and theories and what little information we have. We don’t have to agree all the time. It would kind of be scary if we did. And I don’t think it would be good for the investigation if we already had our minds made up either. I mean on what basis could we possibly make up our minds for or against anyone in this mess of characters!

Plus, no one is perfect. So there are probably good and bad things about every single person involved in this case including those who became involved later. NO ONE IS PERFECT! That kind of attitude reminds me of the kind of mother who would say “MY child would never do that!” when the neighbor saw him with her very own eyes.
Who ends up suffering? The child. Because the mom never acknowledged or accepted that he could do any wrong. That’s totally unrealistic.

Did any of you see the Nancy Grace show tonight? Ronald and Misty’s divorce is final, and Misty’s lawyer has notified Ron’s lawyer not to talk to Misty at all unless her lawyer is present. They said Misty is with relatives in an unknown place. This sounds to me like Misty might possibly be talking. I certainly hope so.

Misty’s mother is out of jail. They are saying she didn’t tell LE anything new, but I doubt that. You know they had to reduce that bail before she could get out.

Misty and her lawyer must have made up, because he is representing her, again.

m2c, I agree,there are so many turns and cross roads in this case anything could have possibly happened. The only one in my opinion that would absolutely surprise me if they were directly involved would be Ron, but I can see where he could be indirectly involved, I don’t think he is (but you know, the company you keep type thing). I really don’t think Misty can add any more to this case it is my opinion that she either slept through it or was drugged. And although Crystal has motive, I don’t know if I really think she is guilty of more than being a poor example of a mother. I do however think Joe and Tommy also had motive and opportunity, jmo. But I also think there is a good possibility a SO did this. I can also admit when I’m wrong, just ask my hubby, before Susan Smith was suspected, I cried with her and my heart broke for both her and David, my husband said “that mother did something to her boys” and I scolded him, then he said look at her shes crying but there are no tears, I argued only to wake up to the big announcement the next day. But to get back to Haleigh it doesn’t matter who hs the right theory as long as someone finds this little girl, there is way too much of this sort of thing going on. And way to many cheif-wanna-be’s in the tribe. I no longer live in Florida so all I can do is theorize, pray, and mention her everywhere I go. It doesn’t matter who is right or wrong in theory just that one of the theories leads us to her.
Treece,(8:29pm post) I agree!

Karon, that’s actually normal procedure now that they are divorced. It saves both of them from any further BS and Rumors.

It probably is, because I can see she is right about 1 thing for sure, Her family will backstab each other in a red hot minute.

IMO

Sorry, but I have to ask something off topic…I had to be away from computerland late May through June (my first GRANDbaby was born) and when I came back theres no Pickles; Paw or m2c do you know where shes at?

Toughenough, I’m not sure but last I heard she’s in school and really busy with lots of good things going on in her life!

Alethea, while M2c is working on his/her violence, backfiring and blowups would you please work on removing that boulder from your shoulder. He/she is not against Crystal or you.
JMO of course. Treece

Just 1 question. How is Crystal the wrong person? How is Ron the wrong person? How is Misty the wrong person? How are any of them the wrong person?

How are any of the above listed the right person?

NO ONE KNOWS!!!!!!!

Of course it centers aroun Ron, Haleigh is his daughter, it centers aroud him not out of guilt but rather relationship. He is at the center of this mess because he is most affected. I pray that his daughter will be returned soon, alive, & healthy. I pray the perps are revealed quickly and justice be served (although I think we can all agree theres not a harsh enough punishment for this crime) MHO

ms peridot, I can see that it may not have been any more Crystals fault than Rons fault that Haleigh missed the doctor appts. ALL of the adults in her life should have done better at keeping those appts. It could be an injustice to Crystal that she was blamed and it could be why she did not get custody.
My opinion is that regardless, Crystal must have felt like the kids were in a safe place and life was well for them or she surely would have been trying to keep her child support paid. She was not only risking jail time by not paying but she could have risk losing visitations rights too. I know money situations can be huge factors for all of us. But if she thought Ron was a danger you would think that would have been a priority to pay so she was guaranteed visitation. You would also think she would have been working on getting custody herself if she felt they were in danger. From my observation Crystal must have been ok with the arrangement of the kids.

Well to night on nancy grace, mike said something that made perfect sense to me and that is give hank misty’s brother a polly!

Because when he went there that night if the door was unlocked he could have went and hid untill after misty went to bed, he could have set the hole thing up as far as the back door! Sound’s like he had time?
But also something eles bugs me about this and that is, if misty went to a party and haleigh got someone meds and took them and died she may have ask hank to help her, he came to her aid the night her and ron got into a fight!
She called her family and ask them to come and get her, ron came out beating hank up and went to jail for it so that tells me they would her family come to aid misty that her brother cares about her!
I wonder if she came in late put haleigh to bed went back checked on her because she knew she had taken some medication, maybe thats when she found haleigh dead and that she had wet on herself so she washed her blanket to wrap her in, dose anyone know if the blanket was still there?
The caylee anthony case was going on at that time which could have gave them an idea to say someone came in and took her?
She knew what time ron would get home and they had time to do something with her body! It might have been someone she was at the party with but i think a brother that knew ron would kill his sister would be willing to help her and keep her secret!!
Give him polly!!!

ms.peridot19:

You have a long post. Let me try to hit on some of it.

Not all of the custody documents are online. Keep in mind that this was a long custody case. There are 2 links online that you can read. Hm. I just tried to get you the links & it seems like the links to all the documents have been pulled offline. Well I can tell you that Ron was not only awarded custody b/c of financial reasons. Here is a screenshot I found online that shows Ron was awarded custody in part b/c of Crystal”s lack of sustained contacted with the kids:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/968/lackofsustainedcontact.jpg

Here is another screenshot I found showing Crystal saying she didn’t want to get out of bed:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5668/didntgetoutofbed.jpg

What you should understand about Haleigh’s Tuner Syndrome is that it is under control now. But when she was younger she had a much harder time. That is when she needed a nebulizer for breathing treatments. She has also been hospitalized more than once. She needed more frequent monitoring when she was younger. Ron was the one working back then supporting the family. Crystal was the one that was a “stay at home mother”. It was her job to take the children to doctor’s appointments and such. Ronald’s grandmother was available to take Crystal to appointments. Crystal also had her own family in Satsuma who should have been available to take her if she needed rides.

I wish you could read the custody documents so you could read what Crystal’s attorney had to say. Within 10 days of Ron getting custody, over the Christmas holiday, b/w Christmas and New Years, Crystal allegedly got a job, a car, a mortgage for a house in her name and a new boyfriend. All in 10 days. Crystal is not the mouse she wants people to think she is.

ms.peridot,

The links to the custody docs appear to be offline. I have them bookmarked, but the links are dead.

I don’t think Marie bought Crystal a car. In the “MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF MAGISTRATE” that Attorney Behm filed on January 6th, 2006, on behalf of Crystal, he stated that Crystal bought herself a car. (Also a home).

hello again
did i say exagerate. opps i did. i meant to say, that on paper sometimes things sound worse than they really are. why didn’t they cancel the appointments for heaven’s sake and reschedule when one of them could take her. i mean either parent. this fact alone would not have determined custody if i was a judge and had discretion. it concerns me if money is the main or heavy deciding factor in any child custody case.

i am not sure, if true, but, my impression is and was that maybe ronald is more sophisticated about getting custody. boy, maybe i am glad i am not a judge. but, i do know that accusation abt appts was by a parent trying to keep custody.

alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm A man doesn’t want to marry the mother of his children but he’s going to get custody. Hmmm…. Only two possible reasons I can think of. Both self-serving

i do personally know of a case of a very dominating man who did this. so that can be one reason.

Linda:

I was under the impression that he did take a poly right after this happened, but I am not sure. Tommy was saying when they questioned he and his wife before that he would be glad to take a poly. I saw him in an interview with FirstcoastNews. We really don’t know what LE did about that or Misty’s mother.

PAW69,
PAW stands for Proud Army Wife

thank you to you and your husband for his service and yours as his wife. i deeply admire people and their families for serving our country!

is it okay for you to post if you like army wives on lifetime?

ms.peridot,

Crystal was over $12,000 in arrears for child support. That’s 3 years worth of payments. On February 3rd the DOR filed Contempt charges against her. Jail was a very real possibility for her. I’m not sure who you would like to call. You should look into the laws of the State of Florida. Or, do some research. Crystal’s own father was jailed for failure to pay child support. Crystal knew that this was a very real possibility at the hearing that was scheduled for March 27th. (We know that hearing was canceled because HaLeigh was taken, and NO, I am not saying Crystal took her to avoid Court. Just responding to your questions).

The nebulizer being taken is a rumor from early on that grew legs. There is no proof that any nebulizer was ever taken. Ron said HaLeigh only needs to use an inhaler sometimes, not a nebulizer.

I agree with you, however, in that I hope HaLeigh’s parents are innocent. At the same time, I hope that someone in her family has her safe and tucked away somewhere. The alternative is much too awful to even think about. I really pray that someone who loves her has her and is loving her and caring for her. Obviously statistically that is not probable, but without hope, we have nothing, and I will not give up on HaLeigh.

paw69
“The Media tends to only show the bad sides in people involved in anything. They NEVER show the good sides of anyone”

yes yes yes. sometime i think some of us, don’t appreciate how lucky we are to have free media. (maybe it is not free anymore.)but boy. doesn’t it seem everything has switched to ratings as opposed to facts. the internet sure is changing things too. it will be interesting to see where we end up news wise in a decade or two.

for example, political commercials are amazing to me. you can cut things together to make anyone seem terrible or great. it is not that hard to distort the facts on any subject the same way with dramatic snipets.

MsPeridot:

You are right about the news. It is getting to be a mess. I hate to hear anything I have heard, because the facts may change the next day,

hello karon,

you are really great at keeping the facts straight! i need to take notes, myself. thank you for taking the time, to tell me.

i am very happy haleigh’s health improved with time.

i always wonder if people smoke around haleigh. i have loved ones with asthma, who cannot be around smoke at all. i am so happy the laws have changed about smoking in public for this reason. don’t want people to lose their rights, but, i mean they are not all right around smoking period. of course this may not be true for haleigh and/or maybe no one smokes around her.

earlier i posted about if the le people don’t notify endocrinologist’s maybe her parent’s could. well that would go for allergist’s and pulmonologists too. does anyone know if le does do that, i would think they would do that right away.

linda,

hmmm – misty’s family is saying she call’s them for help. maybe they were just trying to make sure she was okay that night tommy/ron fight. and the timmy phone calls too.

i hope you are so wrong about scenario, but, it is plausible. and it could have been any of how many things that could have gone wrong that night. maybe, no partying even, maybe accident and misty was afraid of losing ron.
maybe tommy was trying to help misty.

jan or simon could you ask the sunday panel about haleigh’s blanket that misty washed? was it still in the mh? or found any where else?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2169871/haleigh_cummings_investigation_is_the_pg2_pg2.html?cat=47
“Misty Croslin Cummings reported finding a blanket and sheets scattered outside the door of the Cummings residence when she discovered Haleigh missing. Did the blanket and sheets scattered outside the trailer after Haleigh disappeared come from the bed in which Haleigh was sleeping?”

people is it legal to copy internet address’ with quotes. maybe i should stop that.

I’m very confused about two car situations.
The one you mentioned, Ms. Peridot, if Crystal bought a car in her name and Ron “took it” then he could very easily be accused of car theft. And why not do that when they split up? If Crystal bought the car in her AND Ron’s name, then that’s a problem. And who is paying for it?
Was it bought outright or were there payments owed – and if so who paid them? Does Florida have car taxes, registration, renewals, inspections, etc? If so, and if Ron was paying them then well, who’s car is it? THere are so many questions that come to mind when someone says something like Marie did. “Ron took it.” Of course the immediate (and obviously desired) result is Ron is a car thief. But is he really?
Only the answers to the other questions would tell us.

Also I read that the car that Tommy sold very quickly after Haleigh disappeared was registered to Misty and her mother. So Tommy had no legal right to sell it. And I read that the title was never signed over to the new owner. So that’s another car mess but it’s never been looked into as far as I know.

Ms. Machiavelli said,in October 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am Cobra -the specific facts mentioned in those posts are telling, and yes, very interesting. Only a few would know.
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Cobra, your own statements on the Radio Show each week, have led us to believe that you would NOT be in this position, if your now ‘good’ friend KLP had not set you up; even her brother-in-law was on the show backing up your statements. Are you saying that KP now, did not call your gf and advise her of the fact that you were ‘going down’? Dangerous grounds you’re threading, squelch, squelch.

I am so sick of the ‘circus’ around this case.

Where is HaLeigh, when will she be returned to her loved ones?

Re:Crystal not getting Haleigh to numerous
Drs.’ appointments – which was a factor which helped Ron get custody. I saw Crystal on NG with her lawyer KP. awhile ago. Kim P. explained when NG asked the above question. Kim said that Crystal couldn’t get Haleigh to
Drs. because “she (Crystal) had no driver’s license.” Didn’t make sense to me as in a town that small, you could almost walk to a Dr.’s office. Certainly, with the stack of relatives she has, someone would have taken her in their vehicle. I also read that Crystal stated in court that she was “just too tired to get out of bed to take Haleigh.” To be very honest, IMO, Crystal is not very interested in either of Ron’s children. If she wanted to be a part of their lives, she would have stayed nearby and probably could have seen and helped with these adorable children a lot more than she did in past years. Instead, she chose to have another baby with her stepbrother in a town 100 miles away.

Sorry, but I do not see much ambition or energy in anything involving Crystal. I am no
Ron fan either because of all the drugs and criminality in almost every family member of Halieghs on both sides. IMO, these children should be with someone outside the family who absolutely is clean, sober with decent morals and are able to love these children to make them a different, more reproductive life than either parent.

Karen, agree with you. We don’t know much of the REAL stuff that has gone on. Ron’s temper also scares me. Apparently, I hope, DCF has taken all this into consideration upon investigating. Ron does seem to love the kids. If not, he would have put them in foster homes as he was receiving no support for them. There are thousands of dads who simply wouldn’t be bothered to take care of the children. To someone’s credit, maybe TN or GGS, the children appear to be well fed and clean. Haleigh has so many very cute outfits.

T

PAW, I agree, there is just so much going on my head is spinning.

i am sorry m2c i was trying to answer you and i posted this to the wrong thread.

hello m2c,

i don’t know these people personally at all.

i was not really try to say ron was a car thief.

i was more trying to make a point about the dr.s visits. that we don’t know all the facts and maybe she is not as callous a mother based on that fact alone. earlier when haleigh went missing many women seemed ready to judge her by a different standard than ronald. true, it is a ding ding ding. for, me it was a ding ding ding for both parents. someone should have made sure haleigh got to the doctor. JMO

just to make myself clear and not further the misunderstanding, i believe m.g. said there was a driving issue involved. so she bought crystal a car to help out the situation. because crystal did not have a driver’s license (and maybe she said crystal was still underage – to own a car) they could not put the title in crystal’s name. so marie bought the car and they put it in ron’s name, with the understanding it was going to be for crystal’s use. yes of course ron may have been contributing to the cost of the upkeep of the car. absolutely, i agree. i believe marie’s point was ron and crystal were still together for at least some of the missed appointments. if true, i believe as he had a car and driver’s license, maybe he could have driven them to the doctor’s so crystal could take haleigh there. maybe some are judging one parent for what both may have done. i wish this particular issue was not a consideration without hearing both sides.

to me it was a legal argument maybe with out all the facts. (when i said exaggerated issue – poor choice of words) i personally am not going to say crystal should have lost the children, based on ronald’s (or maybe it was his lawyer’s) argument. this is just one fact. i remembered marie saying there was more to the missed appointments, than was said in court.

there was no legal issue about ron keeping the car, that i know of. i was trying to add, not further confuse the arguments about what happened to haleigh. marie’s point about ron keeping the car, the way i heard it, was crystal again was without a car. again, ron had a car.

to me it was not that important in judging crystal’s callousness, such as would she deliberately harm haleigh, i don’t see it that way. and i really hope neither parent is involved. if crystal is involved, i pray it is because she loves haleigh and is trying to protect her. not my head, my gut says it just doesn’t feel like that is what happened. but i wish that is what happened or is happening. :S

thanks in advance for your patience. just trying to clarify what i said earlier 🙂

good night

I was thinking about the theory that has crossed so many minds that the child could have been taken away because of concerns for her safety and well-being. I think most people would say that could be understandable or even excusable. Even worthy of legal pardon. Then, I had this chilling thought: what if money changed hands. If it all came out, no one would get any sympathy, nor would they deserve it. In my opinion.

Another scenario where Misty would be the victim after all. God help us, what a mess.