There has been a lot of scuttlebutt about Cobra over the past couple of days, he asked me to publish an article explaining his position and exactly what is going on. To know Cobra is to love him, but he does have a bit of a habit of speaking in Cobra, I have done my best to translate, and any mistakes are entirely mine and unintentional – Simon
I do not want to take up any more radio time as there are more important news stories than mine. I do however want to address the E-mails that are asking me to make statements about Kim, Jim, and who the Lone Ranger is.
Tim Holmseth in my simple understanding of complex people, is as off the wall as the people that follow him on his site. I have had no dealings with Tim for some time, and do not plan on talking with him in the foreseeable future. In my opinion he has little honor and his integrity is now in question. To some he might even be viewed as an internet terrorist.
Many of you have likely heard the tapes put out by Holmseth. Yes I did say those things. I swore a lot. I was very angry with the system, I was very very angry with Kim, I was very angry with some online posters, and I was very angry with Tim. There does however come a day of reckoning, and this seems to be it. On one of the tapes I said that I thought Kim was the devil, and that she was trying to set up White Boy Greg. In retrospect, maybe she was just testing my integrity. Maybe she did not know what to say or do as she had me as a friend, and a client that was making her job as a lawyer unbearable. It obviously did not help that I was looking side ways at her client. Kim is, and was governed by the ethics of her profession and realized that she needed to distance herself from me in order to protect her client. I make no apology, I was merely reacting to what I had seen and perceived, if the truth is a lie, and the lie is the truth, then I was on the wrong case. I am sure that part of the frustration was caused because I was these to investigate on Haleigh’s behalf, I viewed the missing girl as my boss, not the family members. No one was above suspicion. The net result was that I managed to upset one on the best Civil Attorneys in Florida, I also took a couple of shots at the prosecutors investigators brother. Once again, I am not sure that it was the best move, but I wanted to do everything I could for Haleigh Cummings.
A lot of water has passed under the bridge, as a result Kim and I are patching up our long standing friendship.
The mission is to find Haleigh Cummings, it always has been.
There are web sites that continue to spew untruths and innuendo, it is time to put the crayons away, and get back to following the facts.
The are some very fresh insights coming to light in Satsuma, I suggest that we all get up to speed and follow the investigative facts as we know them. The rubbish being printed by crayon boy, is simply that. We must get on the right path and stop the curve balls, only then can we move forward.
The bottom line is that some of us are mature enough to forgive, there is honor in that. Since it was me that brought both Kim and Art into this mess, it is me, not them, that is responsible for the outcome.
William Cobra Staubs
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackTook a real man to say all that.Good Luck Cobra and God Bless you. You have a big heart.
Good Luck Cobra!
What a mess. I never thought eight months ago when I first heard the 911 call on national TV there would still be no proof of what happened to this little girl.
Cobra,
Once again you have proven that my initial instincts about you were true. You are a real man. A passionate man who fights for what he believes in and is not above humbleness. The game is worth the candle. Life without struggle is life without strength. Hang in there.
Problem is Crystal had more motive than anyone and it is entirely possible her fiancee did kidnap Haleigh. If that is the case, now that her back child support has been paid, if she did get Chad to kidnap Haleigh, how are they going to bring Haleigh back without getting caught?
Just drop her off somewhere after coaching her not to tell anyone for instance that Chad took her (if he did)? Can you keep a five year old silent?
I never trusted Cobra’s investigation in the first place because he was all chummy with Kim. It makes me wonder that all Cobra, T. J. Hart and/or Tim Miller have been able to do is dig up dirt, dirt, and more dirt on Misty and Ron….but NOBODY IS INVESTIGATING CRYSTAL…
LET ME REPEAT THAT…THE PERSON WITH PERHAPS THE MOST MOTIVE IS NOT BEING INVESTIGATED? HAS ANYONE CHECKED EVERY DISTANT MEMBER OF HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS?
THE PERSON WITH PERHAPS THE MOST MOTIVE IS NOT BEING INVESTIGATED AT ALL.
there is something REALLY WRONG with that picture.
We need some PI to go back there and investigate Crystal.
God knows Ron and Misty have had every bit of their dirty laundry dug out of the hamper and hung out publically.
a BIASED INVESIGATION has occurred. Only Misty and Ron have been thoroughly investigated, badgered, questioned, seconded guessed and actually even possibly harrassed.
but not crystal.
texasgoldengirl YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG, WHY DO YOU THINK I GOT INTO SO MUCH TROUBLE? I KNOW ALL ABOUT CRYSTAL, HER MOM, CHAD AND HALF THE FOLKS THERE. LET ME SAY THIS, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO CONVIT YET!
Cobra; ever hear that old saying “sometimes you have to go to hell and back to catch the devil”? I think that is what’s happening here!
I don’t know Cobra, I know you are trying your best at this point to clear things up, but you still have a new youtube video, by none other than the kim herself to listen to.. I know you have other things to do, and a family to care for. For those of us who have been around since the beginning, you have become a household name. I know how you feel about Tim H. and it is sad.. because I don’t think he wanted to cause you any harm. I do believe he has a protective wing covering you. One problem with this, there really is a lot of truth in what Tim is reporting, and unfortunately because it involved so many people, that even the truths are being cast aside. Time from now we will look back and wonder, how and why things have occurred. What I fear is that we will realize just what was really going on in Putnam County. The one thing that I know.. What info you brought out of this case involving people, was true. Absolutely, true. I also know that your mentioning a phone call from Papa Sheffield and his Daughter caused a lot of fury. I am concerned that Fury touched you, and has effected your decisions.
love listening to the radio shows on this case …. i just wish we had an interpreter for Cobra. I have such a hard time understanding redneck. And please don’t hate… like I said … I love the show. It is just hard to keep up when he talks.
cobra,
I think the minute you even thought about investigating crystal, the you-know-what hit the fan.
Are you going to tell me that crystal has never done drugs? that she hasn’t slept around a bit herself. That she would be mother-of-the-year. But we only hear the dirt on ron and misty.
Kim says stay away from crystal so everyone does. I have read nothing anywhere about finding out who all of crystal’s relatives are?
have you asked ron which of crystal’s relatives might have haleigh? hopefully they were together a while (long enough to make two babies). Instead of asking him over and over about misty, how about someone asks him for a list of crystal’s friend and relatives that might have haleigh? Your buddy Kim isn’t going to give you one and neither is crystal.
You and Tim have certaily asked him repeatedly over and over and over about Misty and everything to do with her?
Frankly, misty is beginning to look like an underdog to me. There are a lot of other possibilities but LE, Tim Miller, Cobra are all zeroed in on a 17 year old airhead who certainly is not sophisticated enough to fool the whole FBI, etc.
Ted Bundy passed a lie detector test. The one thing I have learned watching this is if I am ever asked to take a lie detector test, I will tell the person asking me to take a long walk off a short pier. They are not accurate. If they were, the results would be admissable in court.
To texasgoldengirl
I clicked on your link. I’m guessing your the on the left. Am I right? Why do you not have an open forum or blog? Why do you require people to create an account to comment on your forum? Just curious.
To texasgoldengirl
Correction
In the picture on your link, I am guessing that you are the girl on the left.
Cobra,
All of this fence mending is going on, yet you continue to insinuate wrongdoing by the Sheffield/Griffis family.
You don’t really know them Cobra. If you did, you would never have said some of the things that you have said.
You are an impulsive and reckless man Cobra.
Nice article Cobra……..
Solve Crimes,
Those are pictures of the security officers that were instrumental in busting Garrido (the guy who kept Jaycee Duggard captive for 18 years). They are on our “hero” section. Haven’t you seen their pictures? They are famous heros.
The reason we insist everyone log in is to keep people who love to start and keep flame wars going out of the website. A group of us were on another website where a “troll” was allowed to start flame war after flame war after flame war.
we welcome differing opinions and debates, but trolls are another matter. And one troll started investigating a member of that forum (personal information on her) and started harrassing her with it on the forum.
So we started out own. We don’t care how large or small it stays, we just want to avoid abuse.
Well, I was expecting something like this. Possibly a means of retracting statements to avoid being sued. I don’t care. I don’t see how any of that mess and upset got the investigation any closer to finding Haleigh. (Of course someone will say they found out “something” but can’t tell us yet! LOL)
And I am well and truly SICK to death of hearing excuse after excuse for the most inexcusable, stupid, nonsensical and imbecilic behavior be “It’s for Haleigh.” (Not just you, W (C) S but many others do the same thing. It’s about got to where the child’s name is being defamed with that garbage. It makes anything and everything “okay” to do it “For Haleigh.” NO IT DOES NOT! It’s an insult and extremely disrespectful to Haleigh to USE her that way.
Oh yes. Let’s go toilet paper the neighbors’ trees tonight! It’s okay! It’s a good thing because “It’s for Haleigh!” My azz.
Poor child. The latest chorus of excuses for nincompoops, incompetents and morons.
Let’s just stop that please. At least let’s just stop using her like that.
To texasgoldengirl
Noted.
Cobra all I can say is be careful when making a pact with the devil. The truth, all of it, will come out. To many people involved, to many internet comments, to many weak links.
HaLeigh will be found. The truth will be known. Those responsible will be punished, including those that did everything in their power to impede the search for HaLeigh.
If you can crawl back into bed with the devil and still look yourself in the mirror come morning, well then you are not the man that many thought you were.
Cobra,
Love ya like a brother, man. I have utmost respect for you…you are real people.
Dang it M2C, I was soo gonna roll my dad’s house and say it was for Haleigh. Geez, you ruined my plans! 😉 Kidding Kidding.
Good points!
Cobra sleeping with or walking with the Devil is dangerous. What did you do that she has something that big over you? WHY would you waste your breath were her. you were just starting to have some new refreshed people that thought just maybe you was going to really help find haleigh that just maybe you would open your eyes and say Hey HaLeigh is with the Sheffield Griffis side they have the most MOTIVE!!!!
TIM has TAPES AND TAPES of the TRUTH
Cobra,
Great article – thanks for posting!
Way cool: “They tore her* ass UP”!
*Teresa Neves
Cobra,
You’re the man! I hope I didn’t sound too harsh. At least you are back there trying and you can’t do much til you get your license back.
But crystal is protected by Kim who apparently has way too much clout in that area.
I have never understood why no one could believe someone had come in earlier, left a window open, etc. and why it was just absolutely from day 1 decided that misty was lying…even before the lie detector tests. I’m not saying Misty isn’t lying. I’m just saying that EVERYONE is zeroed in on Misty like a dog with a bone and there are all kinds of other possibilities.
What’s more, the video of the buy giving the lie detector test seemed pretty unprofessional assuming there is some degree of accuracy SOMETIMES…as he didn’t just keep asking yes and no answers and told her right in the middle she was essentially a liar.
I remember reading all kinds of trash about how Elizabeth Smart’s family had to be lying, how the screen was cut from the inside, how she really ran away from her Morman family but they just wouldn’t admit it, etc..etc….how lundsford had to be lying…cuz they took her right out of her bed (right sure…hard to believe), and god knows Jaycee Duggard’s stepfather went through hell being the god help him…”last person to see Jaycee”.
I hope you don’t think I was attacking you personally. I am furious that there seems to be some kind of political reasons why LE isn’t really thoroughly investigating the sex offenders and crystals side of the family.
How can they (not you), but they really investigate if they already have their minds made up. Get misty, drag the truth out of her. They only have two possible solutions.
It’s called dichotomous thinking. Drag the truth out of Misty or file it under cold case and move on.
There must be some Croslins and Cummings posting after Simon’s article, as their blaming Crystal makes not one bit of sense.
Fact #1: Misty is the only party known to have failed multiple polygraphs and a stress analysis test regarding Haleigh.
Fact #2: Misty (& Ron’s) accounts of the events that night have been inconsistant, not Crystal’s.
Fact #3: When a noncustodial parent kidnaps their children, they take all their kids, not just one of the kids. Case in point: Ron Cummings stole both kids from Crystal after shortly after they split up.
Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
Fact #5: There is video of Ron and Misty separately, within a couple of days of Haleigh’s disappearance, referring to Haleigh in the past tense — none such of Crystal doing the same. At one point, Ron falls to the ground and said he’d give “anthing” for his “daughter’s life back”. Misty, at one point, describes Haleigh using the words ‘she was’.
Let’s stop pulling ‘Casey Anthony’s’ by throwing around baseless accusations to draw attention away from the true suspects.
Very well said, Lisa E!
>>I viewed the missing girl as my boss
That pretty much sums up everything that you’re obligated to say IMO.
>>it is me, not them, that is responsible for the outcome.
You can’t be expected to be responsible for anyone else.
Lisa…
1) Lie detector tests are not always accurate.
Misty could fail, because she’s absolutely nervous. Ron passed… Ted Bundy Passed, so that doesn’t say much.
2) What does Crystal have to say about that night? All she has to say is “I wasn’t there”.. I was at home, I don’t know what they do because I only see those kids every other weekend.
She is getting off easy by not being questioned so hard. She has no story.
3) That’s not true. & maybe they were coming back for Junior & Misty woke up first.
4) Some people don’t have access into information like that. IE: Drug addicts would rather pick up a blunt then a book.
Not saying that was HER case, BUT! …. it happens.
5) People talk.. anything that these people have said have been twisted, turned & what not.
She could say “The sky is blue” And they would be like ” MIsty is talking about the SKY, that’s where Haleigh must be- in Heaven!”
There are so many sides.
It could be Crystal. Could be Chad! Could be Misty, Ron…. who knows!
Personally, I’m going to stick with Ron or Misty.
Ron, only because of child abuse.
Everyone has their own opinion though, and I respect that.
Forget the lie detector test she failed miserably – it only served as further confirmation that Misty lies.
Fact #1: Misty is the only party known to have failed multiple polygraphs and a stress analysis test regarding Haleigh.
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We don’t know if Crystal passed the polygraph Le gave her. Tim Miller’s polygrapher is the only one who came out publically and announced the results of a polygraph. Don’t know if Ron passed the polygraph LE gave him or not. Don’t know if Teresa was given one or passed one or not. LE does not announce the ressults. We only know what Tim Miller’s polygrapher said about Misty. That’s a FACT.
Fact #2: Misty (& Ron’s) accounts of the events that night have been inconsistant, not Crystal’s.
I have yet to understand what is so inconsistent about misty’s account? She is an airhead. I’ll give you that. The bed was three inches away. The child had white hair, etc. Why would she lie about that? I will say that Misty has an obvious communication problem and her learning disability shows. I’d like a list of the inconsistencies. Whenever I hear this comment it is always like, she said the blanket smelled like pee but haleigh was potty trained. And I’m like, “Hello, like junior couldn’t have peed on a blanket. Junioe wasn’t old enough to be potty trained. That’s a FACT.
Fact #3: When a noncustodial parent kidnaps their children, they take all their kids, not just one of the kids. Case in point: Ron Cummings stole both kids from Crystal after shortly after they split up.
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The door was blocked open. That’s a FACT SO We don’t know that someone wasn’t coming back for Junior. IT is possible that Misty awakened and they had to take off with onlyone child.
What’s more, Crystal was due to get thrown in the slammer for past due child support for three years. Junior’s child support hadn’t reached that point yet from what I understand.
Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
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If they thought she stole the kid. But if the kid is “gone” and the custodial parent is not taking care of them, the other parent does not have to pay child support on a child that is not in that household anymore. Kid is not eating, no one is buying clothes for them. They aren’t there. That’s a FACT.
Fact #5: There is video of Ron and Misty separately, within a couple of days of Haleigh’s disappearance, referring to Haleigh in the past tense — none such of Crystal doing the same. At one point, Ron falls to the ground and said he’d give “anthing” for his “daughter’s life back”. Misty, at one point, describes Haleigh using the words ’she was’.
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I’ts a fact that if Ron and Misty don’t know where she is after 48 hours, odds are the child is dead and that is common knowledge. LE will tell you that. However, if you kidnapped the child and know it is safe and sound at a distant relatives, there is no reason to refer to them in the past tense. It wouldn’t even occur to you.
Let’s stop pulling ‘Casey Anthony’s’ by throwing around baseless accusations to draw attention away from the true suspects.
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Casey Anthony had some serious evidence proving she drove around with her dead child in the trunk of her car and she didn’t report her child missing for 31 days.
ANd that statement that you just made makes it clear that you have already decided Ron and Misty are the ones to blame period. There can be no other suspects. And that is exactly what I am referring to. The FACT that innocent people have been prime suspects (Duggard’s step father for instance) for years when they were 100% innocent, but LE zeroed in on “the last person to see the victim” like a dog with bone…which is not investigating. It’s jumping to conclusions.
nance WHY?
nance said,
in October 15th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Cobra,
Great article – thanks for posting!
Way cool: “They tore her* ass UP”!
*Teresa Neves
Treece says,
Please help me try to understand you. Why? Why is it “way cool” that “they tore her ass up”? Why? A grieving, heart broken grandma??
Well said Texas.
Nah,
I have no desire to explain jack-crap to you, Treece.
Wa -a – ah . . .
Way cool:
“They tore her ass UP!” That’s UP!
They tore Teresa Neves up? I never thought any kind of tears were real on Nancy Grace.
Why did they do that? Now, I’m behind.
nance, you just explained it to me, you don’t have enough heart to have compassion on a broken, grieving grandma. How sad. Treece
Today’s advanced technology and science including “touch DNA” is absolutely fascinating. I wonder if LE would be able to determine who it was that actually made the bed that night?
Just wondering out loud…
Many reasons to look at the Sheffield side are we living in twilight zone? GO LOOK ON THE MOTHERS SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Made the bed, 8 months ago? I’m sure Misty & Ronald cleaned up before the police were coming over.
When my ex husband came to my house waving a gun inside it, I definitely cleaned up before the police came over!
This is WAYYYYYY Different but I’m sure they were just thinking the cops were going to call child services on a nasty house.
Who knows!
WACOT, nances, original stmt posted at 2:25 today
was referring to an article Tim H recorded of Cobra talking about LE unmercifully chewing Teresa Neves out for talking to Cobra. Evidently scared her to tears and threatened to lock her up for discussing the case way back in the beginning of the case I think. Treece
WACOT,
On one of the videos, Cobra is heard saying “They tore her ass UP”. He’s talking about Teresa getting her bottom tore up by LE.
WACOT if you woke up or came home from work and found that your Child was missing do you really believe that you would have the selfish sense of mind to be concerned whether your house were clean or not?
Tuff Stuff – Oh no, like I said, THAT’S WAY DIFFERENT.
If my child was missing, I’d be TEARING IT UP MORE To look for her/him.
Treece,
Why don’t you just go play on the nearest four lane highway?
I just want to know who crayon boy is
Oh, and Treece, – remember to take your crayons with you.
You know I have rarely gone to any other site for my info. BNN is my Haleigh news source and the only one that I post on at all. However, all the things that have been referred to on here the last 2 days has had me on a trip to some other places. Where I have seen and heard things today that I wish I hadn’t. There are many video clips out there that are flat depressing. If this case isn’t sad enough, listening to some of the filth and cruel things said to each other is enough to make you ill. I am really disappointed.
There are other reasons for only taking Haleigh – whoever did it. For example, an SO who’s only interested in girls. Or, and this is a wild idea but still not impossible, what if someone “sold” Haleigh (think adoption by a desperate but good couple – although the other hideous possibilities are also likely). Has LE ever followed the money? Looked in to the woman who gave Crystal $12,000 to pay for the back child support? Maybe that money was funnelled through her by the people who got Haleigh? Things like this do happen and given the lack of “evidence,” what’s the harm in LE following up? I wish I knew if they had.
Was Jeremiah dating Crystal Before HaLeigh was missing? Why was he at the Vigil, why was she alone in HBC with him half naked? Why was She and Kim doing The nasty with him. Why did no one File a report with LE that Kruger Pills were Stold. WHY did the family and Kim go on the internet and attack anyone that looked at the family. Why was Chad gone until Morning night Haleigh missing. WHY WHY WHY did a donor pay her child support and who is paying it now????????????????????????????????????? So many questions and no one can answer truthfully
nance, why so nasty? No need for that. We can disagree.
oceanviewnan – I believe crayon boy is Cobra because he’s mentioned using crayons when posting comments here.
What if Ron was BIG on drugs? Or Misty? What if they owed someone?
If you owe drug money, they come for you or your family.
What if they were trying to prove a point?
Misty nor Ron would say, we owe DRUG money becuase Ron already has one kid taken from him, he wouldn’t want the other one taken.
Then again, if he did the rifle thing that everyone is talking about and put a gun in his mouth, he won’t have to worry about that long.
MOTIVE-
They were half naked in the HBC? What?!!?
Where is this information coming from?
This is all stuff I haven’t heard.
Is that why Kim was fired?
I don’t know the situation with Kim. :/
Oh Cobra, you are so much smarter than this, please rethink reconnecting with Kim.
thanks m2c, but Cobra said above that crayon boy is printing rubbish, he’s talking about himself?
“Why? Why is it “way cool” that “they tore her ass up”? Why? A grieving, heart broken grandma??”
I’m with you, Treece!
Cobra,
Great article – thanks for posting!
Way cool: “They tore her* ass UP”!
*Teresa Neves
Treece,
I feel your disappointment. You didn’t exactly say it, but I feel you may be thinking of leaving BNN. I know you like the majority of the people here. Don’t let one really bad day make you go elsewhere.
I’m not in a position to post much right now. I hope to get back on later.
I hope this thread is not going back to the way it was last night. I can see Simon or Jan having to step in here again. They are going to get tired of the arguing.
Treece, no worries! 😀 Just smile and worry about you hun!
Are we forgetting why we’re here?????????
nance, I deleted your last comment because we can’t allow any name calling in here. Just because you and treece do not agree does not give you the right to call her names.
PLEASE stop it or we will have to shut down the comments in these threads. There is absolutely no need to get nasty with anyone.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
Thank you, Jan. :o)
YES Cobra told us that Crystal was doing Jeremiah and so was Kim, told us Crystal was strung out on pills,She owed 12,000 child support He told us he found crystal and jeremiah in a compromising situation. OR is Cobra a big fat liar and is there for no other reason but to divert attention away from Crystal family??????????????
Do you guys know there is a benefit concert for Haleigh in Texas this weekend? You can google and get all the information
They tore her ass up for talking to Cobra. See what I mean? What’s with LE? What are they doing? It’s just another “cold file” to them.
It’s like they are actually afraid Cobra would find something and it would make them look like they didn’t try hard enough, but honestly if the answer doesn’t come right out and flash in front of them in big neon letters, can LE really find anything?
He is Talking about TH the one that all these people call and tell him Everything. Yes le, cobra, don knapp,kim ksue,dcf workers,good will you name it and he has the evidence . Keep up the good work Tim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t speak Cobra very well, but I do speak a little Snake Plisskin.
I think “crayon boy” is this Tim Holmseth dude from writeintoaction.com
I only went there because there was some of Cobra’s stuff there. I listened to the audio & blew off everything else. Seems like he (Holmseth) takes things out of context rather dramatically.
bah! all crap
It boggles my mind how so many people are trying to make stuff fit into strange theories when we’ve already been told what happened.
NayNay….White Boy Greg…..Misty
They’re all out of jail now (didn’t NayNay get out today?) Let’s throw em a party…they like parties.
oceanviewman,
Here’s a nice slideshow (cute pictures of Haleigh) that mentions the benefit concert. It’s on October 17th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFsTqA2b5UA
Excuse me for asking, but what do they use the money for? I don’t hear about the money being used to pay private investigators or anything? Is it for more reward money?
TH seems to have “sources” just like everyone else. He’s no different, but a lot of what he says makes sense.
Thanks, Jan,
I appreciate your taking a stand against name calling.
I agree, Skywise! I haven’t seen a better example of “yellow journalism” (and the word “journalism” is used quite loosely here) on the web. The National Enquirer is another current example.
Jan,
I truely hope you do not shut down comments just because of one very narrow minded nasty individual. I feel it would be better to block that persons IP as they do not contribute any logical discussion to the forum. They only post angry retorts and no true debateable arguments.
Thank you
oceanviewnan – I can’t understand anything Staubs writes (or says most of the time) so maybe he did mean someone else. If he didn’t mean himself, then I have no idea.
Regarding Cobra’s legal battle, this corruption and injustice has GOT to stop! A sex preditor rapes a little 9-year-old girl after tying her hands and feet to a bed (not his only victim). Cobra legally revokes his bond as he violates probation placing himself in the company of little children. Snodgrass presses charges for “false imprisonment.” Who should end up in jail? Snodgrass continues to enjoy his freedom pending trial for the crime he committed in 2007 while Cobra is arrested and jailed, with his license suspended so he can’t work pending dismissal. Court hearings are only one unjustified continuance after another.
For a man who who has donated his time and money to work his butt off investigating Haleigh’s disappearance to be treated like this is absolutely ludicrous.
There isn’t one of you who would turn down Cobra’s help if it were YOUR little girl who was missing!
Knowing that most of you support Cobra restores my faith in the human race.
I don’t believe IMO that a man who has received awards for his work would be so ignorant that he would write the FBI, FDLE, State Attorney and so forth if he didn’t have the proof to back it up.
Why would you put down TH he has more proof then Art, Tj any of them NG! he has actual voices, proof do any of these people mentioned above nope just hearsay sources TH has from horses mouth.
If it happen before yeah but know that i know he is one sided and doesn’t do boths sides of the family . i would turn him away
MissingKy,
True, he has sources like everyone else, and much of what he says does make sense, but he’s had the story about a fake search out there for months, and national media never picked it up.
If he’s the only mouthpiece talking about a fake search, does that mean it’s not true?
There are other reasons for only taking Haleigh – whoever did it. For example, an SO who’s only interested in girls. Or, and this is a wild idea but still not impossible, what if someone “sold” Haleigh (think adoption by a desperate but good couple – although the other hideous possibilities are also likely). Has LE ever followed the money? Looked in to the woman who gave Crystal $12,000 to pay for the back child support? Maybe that money was funnelled through her by the people who got Haleigh? Things like this do happen and given the lack of “evidence,” what’s the harm in LE following up? I wish I knew if they had.
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That’s the kind of brainstorming that I wish LE would try to get their butts in a room and try throwing out evey conceivable scenario and checking it out.
No one has been able to tell me either whether the FBI can notify the American Medical Association to make sure that ever single Endoctrinologist or whatever kind of specialists treats children with Turner’s syndrome has a picture of haleigh e-mailed to them. It doesn’t even cost paper. They could e-mail a picture.
etc.etc.
but no LE only has one answer. Turn Misty upside down and shake the answer out of her. Problem is, she either doesn’t have the answer or she’s not talking.
“very narrow minded nasty individual”
Well, that’s name calling if you ask me! Wow.
Gag me with a spoon -TCH. He can open his own blog if people want to talk about his carp.
Fake Search is Truth and If Cobra is a man he will Admit this as he even said it was Fake!!!
WACOT,
Yep, I’ll agree – that sure is name calling!
Motive,
What was the objective of the alleged fake search?
nance, all I’m saying is I try to be open minded and read all I can. I do not want to have tunnel vision like some people. All things are possible because basically all this is, is a sounding board for people to bounce ideas off of one another. And m2c, that’s what I mean about tunnel vision
Nance, your asking the wrong person about the fake search, that would have to be directed to the sheffield’s.
You all are missing the point here.
I am sure that Cobra has faced off on the shinnanigans placed in the public venue for one purpose. To remind EVERYONE that the most important issue is this:
THERE IS A LITTLE GIRL MISSING.
PLEASE focus your attention, prayers, and hearts on HaLeigh and knock it off with the BS.
well said lindaoz,
Cobra never should have been arrested. That was just WRONG!
MissingKy – There is a difference between filtering out sensationalized BS and “tunnel vision.” I have always had an open mind about what might have happened to Haleigh. But I do not have to read every piece of used toilet paper to keep up with the “news” especially from a site that I consider to be a great example of misleading information (or “yellow journalism.”)
I have not missed out on one iota of relevant information about this case by refusing to read garbage. And I have visited the “dump” so I know.
That’s my opinion. People “buy” what the National Enquirer “sells” too so it’s certainly your right. I’m not interested.
M2c you have your opinion I have mine so lets just leave it there
Please Help Missing Children said – I agree about focusing on Haleigh. Maybe if we weren’t constantly distracted by someone’s personal legal problems and all the gossip (really! NO new evidence, just talk) that’s ensued to this day around all of that plus some other sideshows we COULD focus on Haleigh. JMHO.
LisaE ,Very well said. Facts are facts!
MissingKy: That’s a deal. So I hope we can also leave TCH on his site. I’m here – and not there -for a reason.
MissingKy,
I’ve viewed parts of a couple of Holmseth’s videos on Youtube but don’t recall hearing Cobra talk about the fake search.
Do you know whether there is a video or audio of Cobra acknowledging the fake search?
m2c I didn’t realize you were able to tell people what they were allowed to talk about on here. Guess I need to check the guidelines.
When an individual repeatedly lashes out at others who post different opinions and facts which contradict their own beliefs, that qualifies as being narrow minded. When that same person only posts rude comments, not opposing views or arguments, that makes them nasty. So IMO, I am merely stating facts not name calling.
MissingKy,
LOL! Wanna-be chiefs can always get their own blog to censor!
MissingKy: I said, “So I hope….”
Up to now anyway we’ve always tried to bring credible sources to this blog. Not just stuff from other blogs and sites like that one.
oops, please forgive me. I just deleted someone’s comment by accident. I didn’t mean to di it. I am sorry. It has been a long day for us here.
Jan Barrett
nance, I didn’t give you the right one, it’s not on there now that I can find
Nance, please READ! I said, “So I hope…”
If that sounds like an “order” to you, well, that’s a reading comprehension problem.
Disgusted, you’re being disgusting again. Not name calling ya – just bringing your disgusting ‘tude to your attention.
Sure, m2c,
You’re only fooling yourself.
nance, it seems to me that you are trying to get this blog shut down.
nance, if I find the video again I will let you know. Gotta go, grand babies coming in.
m2c, you’re wrong – again.
MissingKy,
Thanks,
I gotta roll, too . . .
May do a search for it when I get a chance.
Nance,
The audio you requested…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqS-LLzyTyg
Crystal said that Jr told the police that a “man in black” saw Haleigh… I really think that she put that thought in his head but I remember Misty saying that sometime that night Jr crawled across her in bed and got out of bed maybe he got up with Haleigh seen someone grab her first and ran back in the bed with Misty…Police have not said what Jr. has said about that night if he remembered anything or not but Crystal could know that Jr seen someone come in that house and need to cover any tracks taht she would have anything to do with it. Someone that she knows has Haleigh she is never upset and never in public trying to keep Haleighs name alive I never see interviews with her and when I did at the beginning it was alway throwing doubt on Ronald and Misty. She was never just focused on Haleigh. Nancy even questioned why she had not questioned Misty, well thats because she doesnt need to she knows where Haleigh is she just never expected the attention it has caused.
OK I am going to ask this of all of you. Whatever the problem is that is causing the bickering PLEASE let it go. We don’t want to start banning everyone because we can’t all agree. You all have been doing so good in here for a long time now even those that disagree seem to agree to disagree which is how this should be in here.
Please remember that just because one says something that you don’t agree with doesn’t make them wrong and it also doesn’t make you wrong. Hell who knows at this point who is right and who is wrong.
I have seen complaints about us reporting that this source told us one thing or that thing and not saying who that source is. If you think about it we have good reasons for NOT releasing names until we know it as facts. We DO NOT want to be like others online that report something that only turns out to be rumors later. With a few people it is like we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
All we ask is that people bare with us. Sooner or later the facts will all come out and we will all know the truth and hopefully find Haleigh as a result. I pray to God that she is found soon.
Thanks everyone,
Jan Barrett
Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Crystal has Haleigh? No
Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Ronald did something with Haleigh? No
Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Misty, WBG and NayNay did something with Haleigh? Yes
That witness IS credible. That witness wasn’t in jail at the time. That witness got nothing in return. That witness is my friend. NayNay has threatened him. NayNay is free.
I’m going to pull all my hair out.
Sorry Jan…you were a hairpin faster than me, didn’t see your post. Not bickering, just aggrivated.
Skywise, please excuse my ignorance but who is the witness you are talking about who went to LE to tell them that Misty, WBG and NayNay did something? (Sorry!)
m2c
NayNay sent 2 letters to Donnie asking him to go talk to him. His name is blasted all over the internet.
denise,
that is interesting. I have often wondered why the police (sorry but I just am so frustrated at the way they handled this in the very beginning) didn’t get Junior completely away from Ron and Misty and interview Junior themselves in the beginning.
What if he did crawl over Misty, see a man take haleigh and then ran back and that’s what woke Misty up. They should have put him with a child psychologist right way and told Ron and Misty that sometimes with play therapy, they can learn things in case he did awaken and see anything.
Children that young don’t LIE if they can just find a way to communicate. Now, it’s days later, and Crystal has to tell LE what he said he saw so they get it heresay and have to wonder if Crystal planted that thought.
Honestly the few times in my life that I have ever had to talk to a policeman, they just seem like secretaries with clipboards. They don’t seem very pro-active at all.
Here’s an interesting tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWXb0Nf7Vdg&NR=1
Skywise, thank you! I remember now!
Cobra:
I have never paid much attention to all of this fighting with KP. I don’t care about it! I support you, but you need to be straight on with your friends, here.
Treece: Don’t let them get you down. It takes a very little person to put another person down.
TexasGoldenGirl It wasn’t just one person that gave out that womens private info. It was a group of them and while their private information was not given out they all were exposed and even parts of their private blogs or room or forums and who started them as well. I know who they all are or should say were now that many use different names after that disaster. They were all nasty and still troll the Topix forum on HaLeigh (and Anthony forums using fake names and ISP’s) like a pack of hyenas. If one shows up you know the rest are lurking waiting to come in to defend the one who’s postings disrupt the forum. They plan ahead of time who is going to do what and who they will trash. Tired of trashing and insults. I doubt it because you and friends are still at it.
When someone try’s to clear the air, they may get bashed huh? Well I was warned as this statement was worked on for months now. I want to give everyone the fairest measure. In the end it is the captain that goes down with the ship or he makes sure all his folks is off the boat and when the last rescue boat is loaded and gone, he has the choice to go or go down.
As to all the comments posted here, I never knew of any fake searches. The items found by the side of the road for the most part came from the trunk of nay nay’s car. There was no fake search. I am guilty of hiding Easter Eggs and pretending they were lost, I mean that is what you do, yea? So I have been faking searches with my kids for a long time. Lol what would be the benefit of faking a search to find what? No, this is hype pure and simple.
Now, pretend you just got home from work and the phone rings and someone say’s the police made someone cry and that someone is your grandma. Me having some really cool grandma’s and knowing some other cool grandma’s, heck yes I was pissed at the allegations. I had heard about Mrs Neves and the police, just then I was speaking to someone else on the phone who taped my response and has now played it to the millions, it sounds bad and I wish I had not cussed so bad. If the police treated her that way, the way I was told, then that is wrong. Sometimes emotions do run a bit wild, but cooler heads will prevail. Turns out the police did not make her cry, she was very emotional to begin with.
I never filed any complaints on anyone, I did not receive the same treatment. There are some of you here that are way to smart to be distracted by the garbage thrown around. My statement was as written, read it again. I was not ducking anything, I was manning up and taking my licks as it was me who started this, as this case was cold when I got there, no press, no attorneys, and no one seemed to care outside the two families. Now the entire world has an idea of what is going on, some facts, some opinion, some frustration, and some out right crazy crap.
Am I backing down? No! I said what I said and did what I did. I saw what I saw, but have you ever witnessed a magician performing? Sometimes we don’t see the slight of hand, but when we do we say, awe, I saw that….now why would some continue to point to a specific issue that has been verified as crap? I think they don’t really have anything real to report on so by trickery they stay involved with these crazy accusations, just me thinking outside the box I guess. But don’t get mad at each other, as many have paid your admission to this drama. So relax, enjoy your popcorn, while some of us are paying for that too.
Cobra:
Do you think LE will ever let this case be solved, or do you think they will keep stalling and blocking all efforts? Do tou think they are under enough pressure to make them stop covering their own behinds and get this case settled?
Hmmmmmm,
I don’t know which website you are referring to, but from what you have said, I can assure you we are not talking about the same website or people.
I’ve been on the internet for years, but I’ve never seen anyone be THAT abusive, that consistently, that relentlessly.
The “troll” I am referring to had one only one little sidekick and that was it. It wasn’t a whole group of people.
But we have a rule on our website. Personal attacks directed toward another person get people banned and we have multiple admins plus a moderator. Lucky if you get one warning on our website.
We don’t care how small our site stays as long as it stays safe. Over the years, I’ve seen wonderful websites completely ruined because personal insults and flame wars were allowed when usually, it’s only a few bad apples that refuse to communicate in a grown up fashion, but they can ruin it for everyone.
Cobra – Nitpickers aren’t worth the effort. They just look for more to pick apart and say “shame on you for being human.” Life’s too short.
Skywise said:
Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Crystal has Haleigh? No
Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Ronald did something with Haleigh? No
Did a witness go to LE and tell them that Misty, WBG and NayNay did something with Haleigh? Yes
How do you know the answers to the first 2 questions? And are you saying there was a second person who came forward to say Misty, WBG and Nay Nay did something to Haleigh? I thought this Joe person was in custody when he made the statement Nay Nay refers to in her letter. If two people have the same story that is very bad for Haleigh.
Hmmm – Since I was the one being stalked for those 6 months, I’m glad the jerk was exposed, but to who? Certainly Rob didn’t care as he still has at least one on his site.
Thanks.
Cobra – Wasn’t that a private conversation that Holmseth recorded without your permission?
I don’t think Crystal or her family had a hand in taking Haleigh from a locked house. MOO
BabyTater – But we don’t know if it was locked. Misty just said it was.
You know how many times I could have swore I locked my doors, And 1 of them wasn’t locked.
It’s time LE tell Tim Miller to hit the road and don’t look back. MO
I think Misty locked the doors. The reason I think that is she is 17 and may have been scared at night and she would make sure the doors were locked. MO
JUST IN BREAKING NEWS…..MISTY RUNED OFF AND NOW HE’S GOT TO TRAIL ER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncGZWQGkNzc
Depends on if she had friends there that night. These are things we just don’t know.
Go Cobra!! I was gonna get Simon to call you to tell you where you could find that but you beat me to it!!! LOL
Jan
Cobra – Thanks for the
EARTH-SHATTERINGING,
SEISEMIC, EXPLOSIVE,
REICHTER-SHAKING DEVELOPMENT!!!
lol
texgoldengirl you have a picture of uniformed ladies on your forum entry page that I first saw on the site of a news channel months ago. Just wondering if that picture has a creative commons license attached to it, for you to use it free, or did you have to buy it from one of the stock photo web sites? If I put up a forum for fighting crime but not just the one this blog is about, but a lot of different crimes like you want to talk about on your fourm, I need to know if I can use that picture you have, too, because it seems real appropriate and has good resolution. Also does the store to sell stuff like you have on your forum come free with the forum or do they charge extra for that. I know cafe press has stuff you can put your name on for sale but do they allow that on the forum set up you have?
Cobra, the offer is open in that I still want to assist you anyway I can.
My email information is plugged into this so Jan can give it to you if you still want to contact me. I’m NOT putting it out here after seeing the mean spirited, immature, name calling comments today. I though you were better than that folks….shame on you. Joe Houston… looked him up on google. Wow!
Well,if they keep arresting family and friends,they should have the county pretty well cleaned up at some time.Maybe for a get out of jail card,if they talk. 😉 I saw the big drug bust yesterday around there,that was interesting.
Someone mentioned Jr climbing over Misty.I believe it was reported the bed was never slept in and that was one of many different versions of where the kids were sleeping that night.
Nothing wrong with concerts to keep up the awareness of a missing child and benefits that get money,but the money should go directly to the organization for missing kids or the reward and any searches.Families do not need private organizations to make money,period.
The fads of the necklaces,bracelets,tshirts and all that is cute,but doesn’t do anything to bring the kids home,they’re just fads.Why doesn’t everyone just tie the the corner of thier t shirts up and wear stupid huge white sunglasses?None of that is going to bring a child home and in some cases will only encourage parents to scam the Nation for money.
Homespain – I was looking for you to coordinate efforts. Please email me:
Sunflowers2001-detects@yahoo.com
Thanks!
Is that other witness the one that overdosed in August and got out of jail in September?
How can we help him?? What can we do to help William aka Cobra Staubs? This blogger news could put up a paypal button or sell cafe press stuff with Cobra nickname or even his regular name. Cobra you will need money for best attorney to make sure you stay free to help people like you do. If everyone bought a COBRA hat or t-shirt or coffee mug or notepad or something it could go to your defense fund.
OK… am I the only one that heard those taped conversations?? I give Cobra big props for addressing the issues, but too much flip flopping is going on!!
All I’m gonna say about it… can we just move forward… NOW???
Cobra…water under the bridge. Do your thing.
mariesilk…
Yes 2 counting the woman that talked to Tim Miller. That’s all I know of.
You’re right about the first two questions, I’m not sure. I was just pointing out what we (the public) know. I just don’t understand why people reach for something that isn’t there when they’ve got something that IS there to work with.
No, he wasn’t in custody.
I want to have faith in LE, but they didn’t take NayNay’s car when Cobra brought it to their attention and witness names are being made public. WTH? Why’d they give NayNay a witness name in the first place? Why not make her GUESS who’s talking? I don’t get it. I don’t get it at all.
I hope she’s reading this. I want her to know he’s got friends. I want her to know that if anything happens to him & his, she’s gonna have bigger problems to worry about than jail.
GET THESE PEOPLE ALREADY.
Thanks Linda OZ will do.
Skywise, thank you for the link. I listened to it carefully, and apparently a tired dog was there and a handful of items allegedly were found, including a set of keys that Cobra later found out fit the door and ignition of Nay-Nays auto.
A lot of betrayal of confidences going on, that’s for sure.
I get the impression you’re honest, and a very good friend to Don, willing to do what you can to make sure he and his remain safe.
Cobra,
Thanks for bringing events surrounding the Holmseth audio/video to light! I’ve watched a few of those of those and wondered why in the hey I had never heard you say anything about it. At first I thought you didn’t know about them, but as time went by and I still heard nothing, I figured you were intentionally staying quiet about it.
You probably didn’t realize it was important to clear the air about TH recordings.
I am beginning to understand a little more why Teresa Neves hasn’t been more forth-coming with more of the truth. With Ron threatening to commit suicide and LE threatening her, she was awfully limited on what she could say.
Karon,
Where are you hearing that RC was threatening suicide and LE was threatening TN?
FighterOfCrime – You asked about a photo on our forum. The photo field you refer to comes with a stock photo from blog host, however we rotate photos on a limited-time use arrangement. Some come from law enforcement units who receive free ad space and some are stock.
hello cobra,
i appreciate all that you said today. i am glad you are moving forward. i always felt you were a blessing to haleigh. i may not understand all that le is capable of doing or not doing, but, you seemed determined to spend time with her family and community in a way i believe is impossible for the police to do.
the police are dependant on alll the people telling the whole truth. which i think we all agree is most likely not happening. maybe out of fear, embarrassmen etc. it sounds dramatic cobra, but, i believe haleigh needs you to be on the case. i do understand if haleigh is deceased, florida is a state people know how to dispose of you and no evidence may be found. but, she could still be alive and needing to be rescued.
cobra i may not agree with all that you say all of the time. but, i always feel you say the things you say for a purpose. the trees need shaking and yes it is not pretty to watch or hear. life is NOT fair and life is tough!!!
i am sorry you are personally suffering, just because, you are a man on a mission to find a little girl that needs finding.
i am afraid because of what happened to you you will not be able to continue on the case.
you need to take care of yourself and earn a living.
honor in forgiveness and understanding. i hope that means less baloney you have to deal with now.
my best wishes to you
WinterRose:
I was referring to Tim Miller’s statement about Ron putting the gun in his mouth, saying he would kill Misty and then himself, if he found out Misty had anything to do with this. I believe Cobra or Art told us that Crystal and Amber, both, told him that Ron loved to play Russian Rouilett by puttin a gun in his mouth. He scared them to death. I was referring to LE threatening to put her in jail if she kept talking to Cobra. I would take that, if I were her that they wouldn’t want me letting much out, at all.
Oh,I see,thank you Karon.I remember those things being said.
karon,
i do wonder if that is true that ron played russian roulette in front of his girlfriends, was it to just to scare them, because he thought it is appropriate fun to scare someone like that ha ha ha or would it be to say i am one scary person who will do anything? you better stay in line. i guess it could also be a test of love or devotion to see how the person reacts to such behavior. if you really love me you will be very upset, kinda thing.
RIGHT ON! I REALLY NEED HELP AS NO MATTER HOW WRONG THEY ARE AND WHAT A SET UP THIS IS, I AM SO F45KED. HERE IS HOW TO DESTROY SOMEONE:
ARREST THEM
TAKE THEIR GUN PERMIT
STOP THEM FROM EARNING A LIVING
PUT THE WORD OUT THEY ARE A LOOSE CANON
TELL EVERYONE, THEY ARE RICH AND GETTN RICHER!
USE THE NET TO COMPLETE THE TASK COMPLETE WITH CRAYONS
WITH A SERIOUS CHARGE COMES GREAT FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. REMEMBER NO MATTER WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID, I DID NOT GET PAID FOR MY SERVICES, I WAS TIPPED A FEW TIMES, DID SOME HORSE TRAD’N BUT IT WAS MY MONEY. HECK EVEN MIKE HAS RECEIPTS IN EXCESS OF 70 THOUSAND, HARD RECEIPTS! NOT DONATION FUNDS BUT HIS OWN! MINE WERE MY OWN TOO! ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME HERE IN THIS STATE KNOWS WHAT STATE I AM IN… BEST BET ALL YOUR CRAYONS ON ME AS I DID MY JOB. IF I WAS BREAKING ANY LAWS, FELLOW BONDSMEN AND FELLOW BOUNTY HUNTERS, WHAT IS TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING TO YOU AS WE ARE ALL LOVED SO WELL?
NO, I AM NO LONGER ASKING FOR FUNDING AS IT SHOWS WEAKNESS, FOLKS KNOW WHAT I NEED, AS NIKE SAYS “JUST DO IT” NOW IF YOU ARE A LAWYER READING THIS, FOR EXAMPLE WRITE A LETTER ON MY BEHALF. IF SOMEONE LIKE ME HAS PAID THEIR DUES AND HAS A POLITICAL FAVOR THAT YOU ARE NOT NEEDING, PUT MY NAME ON IT AND REQUEST THIS ISSUE DROP. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN IS SNODDGRASSER TRIAL? EVERYONE KNOWS MINE, FUNNY I THOUGHT HIS CHARGES WERE A LITTLE MORE SERIOUS, HUH? THINK ON THAT FOR A FEW MOMENTS AND WHO DO YOU SUPPORT? AND WHAT’S FUNNY, SERIOUS, BUT FUNNY…THEY ARRESTED ME! ANYWAY, I WOULD RATHER DEFEND MY ACTIONS THAN WHAT THEY SAY HE DID.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, THEY WOULD DROP THE CHARGES, ARREST ANYONE ON BOND FOR SEX CRIMES, AND PAY ME TO GO BACK THERE WITH MY ENTIRE TEAM. THE ONES I COULD NOT AFFORD ON THE FIRST GO ROUND.
FIND OUT HOW THEY FOUND OUT WHO KILLED THOSE CIVIL WORKERS IN THE GREAT STATE OF MISSISSIPPI. WHO DID THEY USE? DID IT WORK?
NIKE SAID WHAT?
Cobra did you see the crap said about you on Hobbit’s forum?
Cobra:
I remember you telling us about Ron calling you one night about lights in an empty house, next door. He thought it might have something to do with Haleigh going missing. I believe you were telling about that on the Sunday Radio Program. You said you din’t know why he didn’t call the police. Do you think that was a set-up for someone to get rid of you, before you could tell what you knew?
Hey there Cobra,
I get you. You are not alone.
FighterOFCrime said,in October 15th, 2009 at 7:57 pmHow can we help him?? What can we do to help William aka Cobra Staubs? ….If everyone bought a COBRA hat or t-shirt or coffee mug or notepad or something it could go to your defense fund.
pen to go with the notepads. any other ideas?
cobra do you have a brand name or logo that is legal to use. maybe a artist here could help you design something???
CURIOUS, WERE YOU?
YES I DID, AND OFFERED TO BUY THEM LUNCH SO THEY COULD START TO GET TO KNOW ME, THEY HAVE NOT GOT BACK TO ME YET, SOME REAL HARD CORE HATERS THERE. BUT IT COST THEM NOTHING, SO HOW CAN THEY JUDGE WHEN THEIR MONEY DID NOT BUGE. AS I HAVE SAID, I PAID MY DUES FOR ADDMISSION, THEY HAVE NOT. I HAVE OFFERED REASONABLE FORGIVENESS, UNACCEPTED….I KNOW ME, SO LET I THEM PASS. IF WE ALL AGREED, THERE WOULD JUST BE A LOT OF LOVE AND THAT WOULD BE TOO BORING FOR SOME I QUESS,
Thanks Lisa E
To quote the fictional Joe Friday, “Just the facts, ma’m”.
1. Were there signs of forced entry?
2. Was there any lighting? Was there a full moon? Unless someone knew where those cinder blocks were, it would be hard to locate them in the dark, especially if a person was trying to kid-nap a child knowing there was an adult sleeping close by.
There are a lot of possibilities, but what are the probabilities?
Cobra:
You could have some black T-shirts with the words FRIENDS OF COBRA on the back in white letters. I would buy one, and Christmas is coming up, if we have any friends or relatives following the case. They would make nice gifts, even if Haleigh gets found before then.
Do you have an emblem that could go on it?
NO LOGO, THE NAME OF MY FIRM AND WEB SITE IS
http://WWW.LIGHTNINGSTRIKEFORCE.US SO MY LOGO NEEDS TO BE A COBRA MADE OF A LIGHTNING STRIKE OR SIMPLY A SINGLE BOLT OF LIGHTNING AS THAT FOR SOME IS WHAT IS COME! OH YEA IT IS AT THE DOOR. IT AIN’T COMING NO MORE, IT IS COME!
KAREN COX
RONALD IS SUCH A PY HE ALMOST PISSED HIMSELF WHEN HE MET ME! HE APPEARS TO ONLY HURT LITTLE GIRLS AND SOME SAY RATS TOO.
HELL NO, KAREN COX, I WOULD NOT WEAR ONE MYSELF SO SAVE YOUR MONEY. I AM SO SICK OF ALL THESE FOLKS WEARING LITTLE BUTTONS AND SHITS (OPPS THE R WAS LEFT OUT) NO NONE FOR ME…TOO LOOKING LIKE BULLSITE DESCRET LETTERS, PHONE CALLS, STUFF LIKE THAT, BESIDES IT DID NOT HELP EITHER ONE OF THESE AND THEIR TEE SHIRT NEW BUSSINESS PLAN.
Cobra, Ms. Peridot, Fighter,
I want a Cobra mug to drink my caffeine from while reading insider news at BNN!
Bad site, Cobra. That rocks! Love the lightning stikes on the “captured”!
Whoo – GONNA TAKE YOU DOWN !
BUSTED!
Your home page ROCKS!
Shake down!
Yeah!
Cobra:
O.K. I’ll save my money!
Cobra:
O.K. I can spend my money on something else.
Lisa’s out:
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=756988&IMG=59601
DON’T GET ME WRONG KAREN, I JUST HURL WHEN I SEE THE T-SHIRTS…”SORRY YOUR MISS’N” , BULLSHIRT..DO THEY REALLY CARE? IF SO, IT WAS ABOUT HOW MUCH THE TEE SHIRTS BROUGHT IN, NEVER ASKING ABOUT HALEIGH. REALLY!
Flies to honey
Cobra,
I work in Photoshop/Fireworks and can devote some time to prepping your logo or other graphics to be placed on items if you’re interested.
Your site is really up-beat with the music, but I notice the most recent information on captures is dated 2006.
Cobra:
If you come up with an idea, let us know. There should be a way.
Cobra,
Just want to point out that you really should make it clear that no one is to just drive by and grab your logo and slap it on a product for re-sale.
Not saying anyone would be highly motivated to do so, but someone might try to profit on your popularity if you don’t specify the conditions under which your logo can be used.
Some very interesting reading here.
Cobra, I think you have put yourself out there more than anyone else in this case with the possible exception of TJ Hart. I have not always agreed w/your “approach” (the KP b.s.) but bottom line, your motives IMO have been true. Your quest is to find Haleigh and you’ve been through the ringer because of it. Many would have given up a long time ago, and some have.
As far as TH, I personally find him interesting in a “sensationalist” kind of way. His “articles” and “innuendo’s” remind me of when I am at the check out counter and pick up the NE or some other rag, skim through it and think to myself, “anything for money and fame.” Don’t know if he is getting paid, but you get my point. I remember the “fake photos” articles. Enough said.
I do NOT think that as messed up as Crystal is, that she or any family member or her fiance’ are involved in this case. IF they were, it would have been brought to light by now in some form. I also don’t think that Misty killed Haleigh, but I do think she knows a heck of a lot more than she is saying..as does Ron.
I live near Austin but will not be able to attend the benefit on Saturday. Nor, do I think I would because I am not 100% convinced where this money is going. That being said, I hope it goes to an appropriate funding to find Haleigh.
Cobra, keep up the good work and God speed with your legal issues. I find it deplorable that you out of all the people possibly involved in these horrible circumstances, would be arrested.
And p.s. to TexasGoldenGirl..I know of what you speak on a first hand basis.
WITH A SERIOUS CHARGE COMES GREAT FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. REMEMBER NO MATTER WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID, I DID NOT GET PAID FOR MY SERVICES,
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ReAlLy? Others with canceled checks know otherwise. Why do you keep lying, Cobra?
Who paid for your new tires Cobra?
Just answer the question.
Now you are kissing the Industries ass again? Too little, to late. I wouldn’t trust you as far as I could throw you.
Cobra, are you BiPolar? You seriously need meds and you really should stay out of Satsuma, you are a fool if you go back.
Kim did a great job writing that letter for you Cob’s.
Crayon That~!
Cobra:
I may have missed it, but do you have a P.O. Box address where we could send a check or M.O.? I want to help you, but I don’t like giving out my e-mail address. Some others might feel this way, also.
ARREST THEM***you are a loose cannon
TAKE THEIR GUN PERMIT***you are a loose cannon
STOP THEM FROM EARNING A LIVING***cut some grass
PUT THE WORD OUT THEY ARE A LOOSE CANON***You are
TELL EVERYONE, THEY ARE RICH AND GETTN RICHER! You were paid and you are lying when you say you weren’t. This will come out.
USE THE NET TO COMPLETE THE TASK COMPLETE WITH CRAYONS***works for you
My state wouldn’t allow you to put one foot across the state line.
TexasGoldenGirl….me too! Only I was considered the Troll, since I had an opposing opinion then most. Different site, same BS.
Cobra;
I believe your intentions are honorable. I do believe that your investigation into Haleigh’s disappearance triggered when you got too close to the real perpetrator(s). I too want to do something to help you in your quest to clear your name and set things back to right, so you can continue to do what you do best.
There are several FL residents, as well as many from other states who support Cobra. We need to band together and DEMAND to know why D Snodgrass was NOT arrested for breaking the law, several of them. We need to DEMAND to know why police officers accompanied Cobra on the Snodgrass mission without them knowing 100% that Cobra had authority to do so. Why didn’t they stop him? Why didn’t they make sure that Cobra was within the law by recending Snodgrass’ bond? Isn’t that part of thier job? If they were there on scene, offering aid, and didn’t make sure all paperwork is in order, I think they need to answer for that. If D Snodgrass never left the vacintity of those police officers, then how could Cobra have falsley imprisioned him? He was breifly held WITH POLICE AUTHORITY, then released. PCSO, you need to back down and drop this thing…it’s gonna get really ugly!
We need to consider, those of us who support Cobra, a letter writing campaign. We need national attention and fast! He needs for the masses to know and care about his plight against INJUSTICE!
I’m still thinking about the poster that mentioned her friend’s kids saw Misty at “the party” that night but “LE’s kids all know better than to talk.” What the Hey! I think I know as I have been a close friend to the child of a high ranking police offical. There were many nights his dad would get a call that he had been under-aged drinking at a party and to come and get him, then he’d be taken out a back or side door while the other kids were rounded up. True story, does fit what the senario is.
I think this “case” against Cobra is the most made-up BS ever. In my opinion, if a bondsman, or insurance agency wanted to revoke a person’s bond and then later changed thier mind as to why, or had a change of heart for any reason, they should be able to pick that person up and then release them if they so choose. I hate bail, (sorry Cobra, I know you’d be out of a job without it) but I really do. I don’t think that serious offenders should be able to bond out at all! Especially child predators/rapists. Any violent offender either. IF they are allowed bail, they should physically belong to the person who bailed them out. If they want to pick them up, then so be it. If they want to let them live thier life as normal without restriction, so be it! The only reason they are allowed to walk the streets at all is due to the bondsman, so IF a bondsman chose to revoke that bond, FOR ANY REASON, he/she should be able to do so. Sorry, I don’t happen to subscribe to the belief that sex offenders, murderers, or violent offenders should be allowed the same rights as those of us who remain honest, law-abiding citizens.
Oh yea! I hope Snodgrass realizes that the “next” bondsman he asks for a bond might not give him one, as they might get arrested too! He clearly doesn’t respect the fact that without the bond person he would be behind bars still. Just for that fact alone, he should have taken his lumps and shut the hell up!
HollyGsMom:
I agree. I would like some addresses to write the governor of the state of Fl., the Sheriff’s Dept., the Senator, and anyone else we can send letters to. I don’t think our e-mails to that sheriff’s office is helping, because they don’t read them.
Oh, now Cobra needs money. Why am I not surprised. This man doesn’t know the truth if it walked right up and smoked him in the face. We have spent weeks talking about how Misty must be lying cause her story always changes, well she’s not the only one with a flexible story. I think there are different reasons that he was not wanted around there, he cries conspiracy, but judging by his communications, I am betting he was a pain in the ass and more of a hindrance than a help. He sure likes to talk, but never really says anything. Cobra is a master at manipulating the facts to make himself look better and hovers in the grey area between what is legal and what is not. And just because what someone does is legal does not mean it is right or just.
I agree that the charges are fishy, but we don’t know what all went on except what Cobra says, and he changes that when it suits him, so you all go and give him your money, but maybe you should look at what the Sheffeild’s got for their money.
Now I’m peeved! I just tried to post 10 well reasearched links to the information requested and poof! It didn’t post and now it’s gone and I have to start over again!! Arrgggg!!!
Cobra declared bankruptcy. Cobra got a tricked out $100k suv from the swat swap. Cobra got a ex wife and 5 kids with child support. Cobra can’t pay the bondsman for all the perps he bonded out on his name. Cobra needs his own bond and no one can do.
Cobra presents a 2006 letter from nat’l company and act like it is still worth a snake’s hiss.
Ron might be a PY. Better to be a PY than a cheap tricking double dipping tea bagger wearing a thong and pretending he’s a f’ing superhero rattling cages and effecting change.
Bill went back to crushing on Kim after Jerimiah got out of the picture it seems. I can’t wait to find out what Cobra’s next inspiration is. I bet his favorite color is green
Case Closed Inc. said,in October 15th, 2009 at 9:11 pm RIGHT ON! I REALLY NEED HELP AS NO MATTER HOW WRONG THEY ARE AND WHAT A SET UP THIS IS, I AM SO F45KED. HERE IS HOW TO DESTROY SOMEONE:
ARREST THEM
TAKE THEIR GUN PERMIT
STOP THEM FROM EARNING A LIVING
PUT THE WORD OUT THEY ARE A LOOSE CANON
TELL EVERYONE, THEY ARE RICH AND GETTN RICHER!
USE THE NET TO COMPLETE THE TASK COMPLETE WITH CRAYONS
WITH A SERIOUS CHARGE COMES GREAT FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. REMEMBER NO MATTER WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID, I DID NOT GET PAID FOR MY SERVICES, I WAS TIPPED A FEW TIMES, DID SOME HORSE TRAD’N BUT IT WAS MY MONEY. HECK EVEN MIKE HAS RECEIPTS IN EXCESS OF 70 THOUSAND, HARD RECEIPTS! NOT DONATION FUNDS BUT HIS OWN! MINE WERE MY OWN TOO! ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME HERE IN THIS STATE KNOWS WHAT STATE I AM IN… BEST BET ALL YOUR CRAYONS ON ME AS I DID MY JOB. IF I WAS BREAKING ANY LAWS, FELLOW BONDSMEN AND FELLOW BOUNTY HUNTERS, WHAT IS TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING TO YOU AS WE ARE ALL LOVED SO WELL?
NO, I AM NO LONGER ASKING FOR FUNDING AS IT SHOWS WEAKNESS, FOLKS KNOW WHAT I NEED, AS NIKE SAYS “JUST DO IT” NOW IF YOU ARE A LAWYER READING THIS, FOR EXAMPLE WRITE A LETTER ON MY BEHALF. IF SOMEONE LIKE ME HAS PAID THEIR DUES AND HAS A POLITICAL FAVOR THAT YOU ARE NOT NEEDING, PUT MY NAME ON IT AND REQUEST THIS ISSUE DROP. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN IS SNODDGRASSER TRIAL? EVERYONE KNOWS MINE, FUNNY I THOUGHT HIS CHARGES WERE A LITTLE MORE SERIOUS, HUH? THINK ON THAT FOR A FEW MOMENTS AND WHO DO YOU SUPPORT? AND WHAT’S FUNNY, SERIOUS, BUT FUNNY…THEY ARRESTED ME! ANYWAY, I WOULD RATHER DEFEND MY ACTIONS THAN WHAT THEY SAY HE DID.
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Why not worry about the five kids you spawned? Why declare bankruptcy and then trick out your suv like you are some official enforcer?
You don’t have any money and you don’t have any surety bond to be a so called “bail bondsman” You don’t have a team. You are what I consider a glorified stalker.
Now you are a FUGITIVE RECOVERY AGENCY. You only get paid if you can haul bonded offenders back to your home base.
You got arrested because you had no authority to restrain Donald Sapp. You know it.
Did you somehow get a piece of Mike’s company that YOU claimed Kim dangled to JR? Got a little honey in your pot? IF so, I pray you might invest in a bottle of shampoo with your next dividend check, you city slicker you.
There is so much going on behind the scenes that no one gets to see that is being investigated by the LE and FBI. They don’t make it public so it doesn’t ruin their investigations but they are doing things like searches of peoples homes by tips and checking SO’s. There are more possiblitlites to this case other than just one side of the family or the other. Look for Haleigh out there. Check the car next to you on the highway. LE does check into sightings and every tip. They may not respond to every tip but they do check them out. Cobra is a good man with a heart of gold and he is out there searching. Looking in garbage, stake outs deep into the night gathering information all for a child who is out there still. She’s in danger people, while you go to bed, she goes to bed and a nightmare every night. When we wake up happy to face another day she is out there crying that no one has found her and today she has to face another day of horror. Focus on finding this girl she needs us to stop the bickering of who to blame and get out there and look for her. Pass her photo in your emails, not everyone knows her believe it or not, not everyone would know her if they sat right next to her. Help her and do something for her.
Nance –
I just checked out the PCSO website. Looks like they still have Prevatt & Brooks in jail.
If I remember correctly, Cobra said the keys were found in the mud behind a church in Satsuma.
Wish I knew more about that.
Cobra, can you clarify?
Stumpy and Get Smart could you please provide your true names and address as we would like to send you an invitation to this legal party.
We may know you already, but why take chances, huh? You seem to have certain facts related to this litigation. We are very interested. Caseclosed@bellsouth.net thank you
Hi, Dreamfinder! @ 3:11 am you said: “There is so much going on behind the scenes that no one gets to see that is being investigated by the LE and FBI. They don’t make it public so it doesn’t ruin their investigations but they are doing things like searches of peoples homes by tips and checking SO’s.”
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I’d like to believe that. In fact I do believe that they check out tips to a certain extent. But SO’s? LE has already stated that it’s NOT an SO because “they checked them all out” (long ago). Yeah, right.
What LE has said is that it is “not a stranger abduction” which misleads the public into thinking it has to be a blood relative. Well, it doesn’t. What LE has said is that Misty is the key (and they seem to be waiting for her to say more). I don’t see LE plastering Haleigh’s name and face all over and asking for people to look for her nationally.
I really don’t know what LE is doing. They certainly can keep it quiet if they want to but they should not mislead the public at the same time. THAT is why more people are NOT looking for her everywhere.
You also said: “There are more possiblitlites to this case other than just one side of the family or the other. Look for Haleigh out there.” And THAT I agree with. If only LE had said that, Haleigh might have had more attention nationally over the past 8 months.
What local LE has done (and not done) and said publicly just makes them look incompetent and or hints at a cover-up and they have only themselves to blame.
Nevertheless I’m all for encouraging everyone to keep looking for Haleigh everywhere!
I did not know u cld get divorced this fast.
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/16/news/news01.txt
There are way too many comments from last night for me to catch up today, so please forgive me if this has been brought up before.
About what LE is doing and what they are telling us they are doing, and perhaps why they are mad at Cobra:
Many times LE will not divulge details of am investigation if they fear that public knowledge of certain details may alter the ones they are investigating. Making it seem like a cold case can sometimes cause perps to relax and start slipping up, start talking to others, etc.
Sometimes, PIs can actually prevent this from happening because they keep digging. They may not be “worried” he will find out something before they do, they might be worried that he will poke the wrong person and have them clam up and never mention anything to anyone.
Not saying this is the case AT ALL, just a possibility.
Because LE is not talking, we really do not know what they have been doing. One would think after the Caylee case that they would be working harder on this one. They may even have a few prime suspects that they are talking about, we may never know what they are doing if the case never gets solved.
On another note, I am glad the family keeps getting into legal trouble. In a way, it keeps HaLiegh in the news.
I too think it is so unfair that a child molestor is running free when Cobra can’t even work his trade.
I need to get to work now 🙂
Cobra -the specific facts mentioned in those posts are telling, and yes, very interesting. Only a few would know.
My friend, stop haggling with the imbeciles of the world, the Unabomber followers. That drumbeat comically gained him nothing except public embarrassment, a shattered rep, 100’s of hours of wasted life, cops up his arz, deeper in debt, and further alienated from his own babies.
No need to ask them for identities or emails, my darlin’. You may pack spy savvy, but your friend packs a more powerful punch – Subpoena power.
Overconfident fools, who obviously haven’t followed national court rulings in cyber lawsuits, as seemingly anonymous nics no longer keep them hidden, and “IMO” tags don’t save these sweetie pies from libelous blogs.
Cutesy initials of this sort do not stand up in court, and do not provide an insta-shield for defamation and fraud. The 1st Amendment has its boundaries. And Anonymous Proxy Server providers can be served with a US Subpoena, too. “IMO” and family no longer serve as the Easy Button for blanket immunity from tort liability. It costs a bundle to hire a defense attorney vs. losing and having your assets stripped, shattered credit, wages garnished, tax refunds taken, for…uh…just about forever to pay off a Judgment.
Honey, they don’t see you comin’, do they? They need to put their thinking caps on… (wink, hair flip, eye lash flutter, and a seething growl) This team is the master of redirection, distraction, and stealth. You will eventually have no choice but to run to our door and knock to seek solace from the burning heat we’ve put on you. Memba?
Oh- IMO.
One more thing, I do NOT think Cobra should back down from shaking trees! After all this time, I don’t think anyone will start talking about what happened to HaLeigh for a very long time, and it may be too late by then if it isn’t already.
And Cobra, YES, YES, YES! I modt definitely would want you on my side if my child, or another child I knew of was missing.
Just wanted to be sure I was clear on this 🙂
Sunny: very well said, I agree completely.
Ms. Machiavelli: Not sure I understand your post although I think it was directed at Staubs so it’s okay if I don’t understand it. I just wanted to say that I read the two posts I think you and he are referring to and I don’t see any information in there that would not be readily available to anyone looking for it except the “thong” comment. And I really don’t even want to know how or who would know that.
I think this case would be MUCH better off if WS and KP turned their attention in any other direction and just butted out. So far they have and continue to bring nothing but sludge, toxic sludge, to Haleigh’s disappearance and to her name. JMHO. So sue me. 🙂
m2c =
“I think this case would be MUCH better off if WS and KP turned their attention in any other direction and just butted out”
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I’m thinking you’re right. I’m not going to ask him any more questions.
I got faith in LE…faith in LE…faith in LE
oh & off topic but I was listening to that handy dandy little Putnam Police Scanner link last night and does that dispatcher have a great voice or what?
m2c, couldn’t have said it better myself.
Looks like the circus is in town, hopefully Haleigh will soon replace them!
I apologize to everyone because my last post sounds so harsh. It reflects my level of disgust and frustration that’s only grown over the past few months.
Speaking a little more calmly now, I’m not saying that certain people did not have good intentions but what do they say the road to hell is paved with? It does not excuse the results.
And I still feel that this case has been dragged from the gutter to the sewer needlessly. We’ve not learned anything useful and only been distracted by unrelated drama. And worse, that drama has polarized US! The public who really care about Haleigh! We’re viciously fighting pro and con the likes of KP, WCS, Ron, Crystal, etc instead of keeping our minds open and THINKING and demanding that people who are objective and who have integrity look into this. Maybe that’s the FBI or higher level FDLE. But as long as we’re focused on these other things, we’re not putting the pressure where it belongs.
I’d like to see a state level “ombudsman” and/or FBI investigate the PCSO investigation AND investigate Haleigh’s disappearance with fresh eyes.
I think last night someone tried to post the email addys of agencies like that and they never showed up on the blog. So maybe we could try again and all of us write demanding action on this. I’ll try to look for the addresses or see if the earlier poster has them and will try again to post them. Now THOSE could be useful and meaningful emails! (Governor, congressman, State Att’y General etc)
To have LE investigated for misconduct- FDLE:
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/home.aspx
Charlie Christ, FL Governor:
Charlie.Crist@myflorida.com
Charles Van Zant the Representative for the Satsuma area:
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/emailrepresentative.aspx?MemberId=4444&SessionId=64
FL Attorney General, Bill McCollum:
Email Attorney General Bill McCollum
Florida Department of Law Enforcement
Missing Endangered Persons Clearinghouse
e-mail: mepic@fdle.state.fl.us
Sorry I tried to post e-mail addy for Bill McCollum 5 times and it just goes blank but you can look him up he’s the FL Att. Gen.
Same thing happened when I tried to post that one! Thank you for the other one, Toughenough!
Yes, we can just google Florida Attorney General
Jacksonville FBI
http://jacksonville.fbi.gov/
To texasgoldengirl:
Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
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If they thought she stole the kid. But if the kid is “gone” and the custodial parent is not taking care of them, the other parent does not have to pay child support on a child that is not in that household anymore. Kid is not eating, no one is buying clothes for them. They aren’t there. That’s a FACT.
The fact is they would not have to pay on going child support if the child was no longer in the home, but they would still owe back child support. This is even owed after the child turns 18 unless the parent it is owed to decides they dont want it, or there is welfare owed.
To texasgoldengirl:
Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
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If they thought she stole the kid. But if the kid is “gone” and the custodial parent is not taking care of them, the other parent does not have to pay child support on a child that is not in that household anymore. Kid is not eating, no one is buying clothes for them. They aren’t there. That’s a FACT.
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The fact is they would not have to pay on going child support if the child was no longer in the home, but they would still owe back child support. This is even owed after the child turns 18 unless the parent it is owed to decides they dont want it, or there is welfare owed. Now thats a fact
Why do we still have no answers about the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings?
The answer is self preservation. It is one of the most powerful human behaviors we know of.
The following is my opinion.
For most of us, we first heard it with the 911 call. Misty is very familiar with the act of self preservation. If people are aware she left the children unattended how could she be sure they would not rat her out?
Once again, it boils down to self preservation.
Ron found himself in a hot mess. He had to do certain things or possibly face criminal charges that had nothing to do with Haleigh per se. Again, most of his actions have been based on self preservation.
Somewhere in Misty and Ron’s circle of “friends” an opportunist seized the moment. Why is it that only Haleigh is missing? Why was Ron Jr. left unscaved?
Based on what I have read recently, I question the possibility that LE, Bond companies, and parties responsible for monitoring SO, may have demonstrated some acts of self preservation as well.
Why would a RSO come within 100 miles of the mother of the victim? Why do arsonists stand back and watch the fire?
I not only fear that this case will never be solved I accept it. For my own sanity I have to let it go. I praise everyone that has worked so hard in seeking the truth.
It makes my heart sink to think that someone like you, not only thinks it may not be solved but accepts it. I had always hoped you had info we did not, clues that were going to solve this sad thing. Does your accepting it mean you have hit a dead end, no private info to keep going after…Are you are giving up? Please don’t give up. Someone is going to slip, someone is going to say or do something based on “self preservation”. Maybe a good book deal offer will make someone talk? Please don’t DON’T give up!!!
SolveCrimes, it sounds like you have worked hard in seeking the truth on this and deserve recognition for that too. On behalf of Haleigh and all the truth seekers for Haleigh, I thank you for what you have done. Thank you for your hard work and thank you for your heart that seeks truth. It is ok that you want to let this go. It sounds to me like letting it go for you is the best thing. I don’t know what you do but I am sure letting this go will free you to focus on other things or cases. Don’t feel bad for backing off of this. In time you may revisit it. If this is solved while you are “backed off” you can still share the victory and know you contributed. If it isn’t solved you will have still moved on to have fruit in other things. JMO Treece
Solvecrimes, Sorry, that shows from jbob, it’s from Treece.
My husband, jbob, was the last to post and I didn’t get it change. Treece
What, its OK to talk about other people but not OK if they want to talk about you? Maybe its one of the people you ratted on. You reap what you sow.
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Case Closed Inc. said,
in October 16th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Stumpy and Get Smart could you please provide your true names and address as we would like to send you an invitation to this legal party.
We may know you already, but why take chances, huh? You seem to have certain facts related to this litigation. We are very interested. Caseclosed@bellsouth.net thank you
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Bill, in my humble opinion, you are seriously delusional and need psychiatric help. I hope a true friend of yours ensures you get that help.
The knife cuts both ways, you can’t expect to trash a family (and point fingers) of a missing child (Crystal) and every other perceived enemy of yours and not get some karma back.
Honestly, you and KP come off as very creepy in every sense of the word.
I wish Marie Griffis would hire a lawyer and sue you for every incredible and irresponsible self serving comment you have made about her family.
Now, sue me. For some reason you have this half cocked idea that you are going to get rich off of suing bloggers. I heard there is a long line of folks who would love to sue you but why waste the time, you are worthless.
Peridot:
You can get one that fast if a judge allows it, because they gave BTK’s wife an immediate divorce. It has to be an extreme situation, but that is the only one I have heard of.I am sure some of our people know more about the law than I do.
I starting thinking about alot of different things, one of the things i thought about was What if crystal and misty got together and had there on little party? They both act so dum! But are they really? Motive, crystal may have picked up on the fact that misty was jealouse of Haleigh and did not really care about her! crystal in turn may have told misty that Haleight did not really belong to ron? Look at picture of ron haleigh and jr, jr looks like ron, so maybe they came up with a plan? Misty said, crystal’s SIDE of family had HALEIGH!As we all no, due to the casey case some truth comes out at different times? Suppose misty was telling the truth when she made that statement about crystals side of the family has HALEIGH! And when she made the statement she feels Haleigh is still alive is because she knows she is? There are so many what if’s in this case, one thing for sure, Haleigh did not just disappear!
Ms. Machiavelli-Kim, is that you?
LMAO, what a fool. Funny, but a fool.
“Ms. Machiavelli” is very upset about the comments here and wants everyone to shut-up. Shut up, or there will be a lawsuit against you, she or he cries. Shh, be quiet, keep it secret.
Whatcha trying to hush, Ms. Machiavelli?
I have always given LE the benefit of the doubt but I began to suspect a cover-up in Sodom and Gommorah (oops I meant Satsuma, fl.) a good while back. Yes, they have to hold some things back, but I have never seen a police force that refuses to tell a concerned public anything. They don’t want the public’s help, because they are too busy covering up their own mess.
It is my understanding that this new sheriff went in and fired alot of people right off the bat. There was a reason for that, but it looks like he doesn’t have all the bad eggs out of there, yet.
That town is so lawless for a reason, and it starts at the top. I get a good feeling about Sheriff Hardy, however. I hope I am right.
NayNay was just released…1:12:54 pm
Cobra:
I am saying this to help you. KP and all these games on this site are hurting you with people. People don’t like sneakiness among friends. You need to stop KP from doing all of this.
JJ, WTH??? We are suppose to Shut Up??? I don’t think so. I live in America. I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!! And My husband is fighting for that freedom and so much more as we speak. WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OUR OWN OPINION. I’d be damned if someone comes up in here and tells US to SHUT UP! Not happening.
BTW JJ, This wasn’t towards you. 🙂
IMO
Would Haleigh want Cobra to stop looking for her?
It’s time to focus on what really matters.
ANOTHER MOTIVE- CHILD SUPPORT, And maybe it was misty and crystals mother, would support how crystal passed pholy! People, if my child were in a home where i had done everything i could as for as court and i could not get my child out legal, i would do what ever means i could to save my child, if crystal and her mother new misty was taking haleigh to these parties and she was not going to school and they feared for her life? What would you do? Just thinking?????????????????????????????Oh if jr was taken, ron would know who took them??? And jr was not sick, NOT SAYING THIS HAPPEND AT ALL! JUST THINKING!!!!Dope parties are a perfect place for a little girl to go missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!I don’t get crystal, when asked by nancy grace, why she did not asked misty what happend she just said something dum! TO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOUR CHILD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL, WOULD YOU JUST STAND AROUND AND CRY? NO NO NO!!! YOU WOULD BE READY TO KILL AND RON TAKE’S UP FOR MISTY? AND CRYSTAL ACTS LIKE A DUMMIE, MISTY ACTS LIKE SHE REALLY CARES ABOUT A CHILD SHE WAS TAKING TO DRUG PARTIES! GRANDMOTHER ACTS LIKE SHE IS GOING TO DIE WHEN SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THESE KIDS AND NOT DEPENDING ON A TEENAGE DOPPER TO DO IT??????? SORRY FOR HALEIGH, PRAYING FOR HALEIGH PRAYING HARD FOR YOU BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HALEIGH DID NOT JUST DISAPPEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Linda I understand what you are saying. But there is no proof that the kids were taken to any party. Crystal has motive due to child support and jail time. What was the reasons for not paying child support for her own children? I don’t think she did it herself, but it’s possible she had someone do it for her. There are plenty of woods to hide at. Crystal hasn’t shown any emotion. I was watching youtube videos of pics. I never once saw any pics of Crystal,Haleigh, and Jr. together. Not 1 picture. That seems very odd to me. And as far as I knew, when the kids were with Crystal, that’s when they were missing a lot of school and missing appointment, With Crystal. Unless I have missed something here, that’s the only time I’ve seen where they were missing that stuff.
Anyways, this is of course just my opinion.
paw69, I don’t think Crystal was responsible for Haleigh missing school. I think she had her kids only every other week end.
Funny how we think, you mentioned your husband earlier. That struck me so odd because every time I have read your blog before, in my mind, I was hearing a 69 year old, grand paw. ha ha
I see now that stands for something else.
Seriously I am thankful for what your husband does and for the sacrifice you both make. Treece
You know everone has there own opinion and thoughts, well we all know misty was on a drug party weekend before this child went missing!The people she was with knew she was fighting with ron, she come’s home and take’s up right where she lefted off, babysitting maybe she took something and it knocked her out and haleigh got up and went to the door, her and ron had said they had a hard time getting her to go to sleep, maybe it was her brother maybe someone who lived in the trailer park? Who really know’s iam just throwing thoughts around praying hopeing she is still alive, maybe there is a reason crystal’s not showing much emotion, i just wish they would fine her and praying she is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Treece, LOL PAW stands for Proud Army Wife, The 69,,, well, do I need to go into detail? LOL
As for Crystal and Haleigh missing school, I understood this took place before Ron got custody of the kids.
Paw, I thought you were a 69 year old grandpa also…LOL
Ya know, maybe that’s why I keep turning towards Crystal having part in Haleigh’s disappearance. Because if this is the case, that would mean Haleigh is still alive and that’s why Crystal has no emotion, because she knows Haleigh is still alive but hidden.
I would hate to think that someone took her and did something really bad to her and she’s not with us anymore.
I don’t want this to turn out like Caylee.
treece,
where did you come up with crystal being responsible for haleigh missing school?
OK Proud Army Wife, I see you with different eyes now and I am glad you are a PAW.
Unless I am mistaken Ron has had custody since before Haleigh started school. I think he got them when Jr was real little. I am not positive though because I can’t remember where but think I read that info.
Treece, I’m a 34 yr old PAW/mother lol.
Ughhh, We would have to go all the way back to the beginning to find out exactly what took place and my brain hurts too much today to go see lol.
I am a 50 year old, proud mother of 2 grown sons but they are still my babies. ha ha Treece
Unless Simon or Jan or someone could help us with this lol.
I had heard that Crystal had NOT taken Haleigh to about a dozen doctor appointments. Hadn’t heard about her not taking her to school – if Crystal does not have custody and lives a distance away why would she have to take her to school? I think the missed doctor appointments is more believable.
I don’t blame you & the important thing is that someone find her. I just thought of something though. Crystal owed Ron $12K in back child support. It would have taken a long time for that amt to have built up. If her amt was set at $300 a month that would have taken over 3 years to build up so without going back I think we are safe to say Ron has had this custody for a long time. Treece
LOL My kids are 11 and 13,,,EEK!!!
50? I thought when you hit 50 you always say your 25 again? My mom is going on 25 again for the 12th time next Tuesday lol.
I remember hearing about Crystal not getting Haleigh to the appointments and I thought it was missing school as well right around the time when she was throwing up accusations about when Haleigh fell off the monkey bars and Ron had proof of all that when he took her to the ER and the Doctor. That’s around the time frame anyways when I heard about Crystal not taking Haleigh to appointments ect.
M2C,,,,I knew someone could help us. Thank You M2C.
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Linda said at 12:40:
“People, if my child were in a home where i had done everything i could as for as court and i could not get my child out legal, i would do what ever means i could to save my child, if crystal and her mother new misty was taking haleigh to these parties and she was not going to school and they feared for her life? What would you do?”
The only thing about your reasoning is that Crystal hasn’t done everything she could have done. She never even tried. I have thought before it could have been Crystal and her family that planned it, but I feel like her motivations would be more to punish Ron and Misty. Junior is still there, you don’t see her fighting for him. So why would she go out of her way to steal Haleigh?
Seems like the more I think about Haleigh’s environment, the less hope I have of finding out the truth. Nothing makes sense and there are so many different scenarios that fit the little bits of info that we have. This is the kind of case that can get lost if procedure is not followed to the T by le right off the bat. I don’t trust that has happened here and it breaks my heart that that could be why she stays lost forever.
I pray for Haleigh every night, and I always will.
As mixed up as we are about custody of Haleigh, I kind of doubt we know the answer to this: is Crystal also paying custody for Jr? Was that part of the $12,000? Is she still paying custody for him? Anyone know?
Mariesilk, When Haleigh went missing Crystal and her attorney tried to throw out accusations and did try to get Jr. But she failed that too.
A couple of times on this thread it’s been mentioned about Misty taking the children or Haleigh to drug parties. I just want to point out that we don’t know that. It’s another possibility. But I kind of doubt it because I think she’s at least smart enough to know that Ron would find out about that. And I really don’t think he’d like that. Either way, it’s just a possibility.
It’s also possible that Tommy went over to the MH (when MIsty wasn’t there or was out cold), saw an opportunity (like stealing his neighbor’s antique gun) and took Haleigh and sold her to an SO who called a friend and in a matter of minutes she’s gone.
A HORRIBLE possibility and probably didn’t happen since Tommy seems to not have any money.
I just know in the beginning it was stated she was behind on child support for the kids. I think it is for both. I also read someplace that her court order to pay this has not stopped or been lowered just because Haleigh is missing. It said she is still legally obligated to pay but I don’t know if this is accurate but have read it from news reports. Which we all know are not always correct.
m2c, that is a good point. We have heard this until we almost think it is fact. Thanks for reminding us all of that. Treece
I remember them saying haleigh had fallen at off the monkey bars at school, she looked really bad and her grandmother took her th the hospital where they made xrays and put her on meds also it was on the news that she had missed alot of school with ron due to her having Tuner Syndrome, i always wondered if they gave her the meds or not, if she died from that fall would ron hide the fact so that they would not take jr, i would say that he would for many reasons!
Thank you, Treece. If the payments are for both children and the part for Haleigh has not been at least temporarily suspended, then the one useful thing KP coulda/shoulda done while she was Crystal’s lawyer is to get a judge to suspend part of the payments while Haleigh was missing.
They wouldn’t take Jr. Just because Haleigh may have died from a fall at school. And I do believe she got her meds. There are videos of pics on youtube and there are a couple where Haleigh is doing her breathing treatments.
Anonymous person/people paid for Crystals back child support. Maybe she knew that would happen too. Since people have been sending to the Anthony’s and Crystal figured she could get this done.
I don’t know anymore, My brain hurts.
You’re right, Linda! I remember hearing she missed school (supposedly) because of the Turner’s Syndrome. I wonder if anyone in authority (DCFS/doctors) were ever consulted back then to find out if that really was the reason.
Sometimes some schools don’t press the issue because they’d much rather have you keep a child with any kind of special needs at home. But others should have looked into it.
That injury with the monkey bars was a year or 2 old. When the pictures of her injury came out you could see she was younger. That was verified by the school that she was hurt there, I am pretty sure. I don’t think any proof ever came out that Ron had abused the kids ever. I think the child protective service did a huge investigation of all that when Kim P filed those complaints. The results were there was no sign of neglect or abuse with Haleigh or Jr.
I wonder if LE ever investigated the woman who “donated” the $12,000? It sure would be worth looking in to. Does she know anyone who wanted a child? Owe any unsavory characters a favor or money? If LE hasn’t looked into that I will just be furious. (Sure she could be a good samaritan but it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be looked at)
PAW and Treece:
Crystal was responsible for not taking Haleigh to doctor’s appointments, but Ron has had the kids since Haleigh was 2 yrs old. Ron is the one who let her miss school. I remember seeing Ron tell NG that during an interview.
PAW69:
Did they actually go to court with that? If so, then that would be what makes this all make sense to me. Her boyfriend had already hid a child for a year and got away with it. (I heard that being discussed online, no links, no source so if I am wrong, sorry:( Chad was out the whole night so that Crystal could be home when the call came that Haleigh was gone. If she did try right away to take to take JR, that is big motive. If she failed, that also explains how she is so unemotional about Haleigh, yet at the same time detached and almost depressed. This could be explained by her being afraid of getting caught, or feeling like she did this all for nothing because she failed to complete the plan by taking custody of JR. She would have thought that once le looked into Ron and Misty she would be guaranteed to get JR. Maybe she knew le didn’t like him? Then, I think she hooked herself to the wrong lawyer there as things began to unravel for her. She starts having the seizures and she is wondering how she will ever see Haleigh again, the family that has her could be on her about being scared to get caught, whatever. If this really happened, she has a lot to worry about.
Also, there was a Haleigh sighting on Feb. 10 in a store in Georgia. A couple was supposedly in there shopping for clothes for a child named ‘Haleigh’. The clerk reported that they said they were new foster parents and this was their first child. I seen it reported, that when this store was contacted they said that no one had even requested security video from that day.
This is all total speculation, please don’t take offense. I have had theories from one end of the spectrum to the other and I’m not on anyone’s side. One has to look every which way you can. I hope that is what le is doing.
m2c, I have never figured out what really happened with Crystal & Kim P but I never saw anything that looked like it was to Crystal’s, Jr’s or Haleigh’s best interest. Besides the fact that Crystal’s back child support was paid, what other fruit came from that entire time. My memory only pulls up chaos. It seems like that area breeds, drama. Treece
I’m not surprised at missing school – it’s possible it really was due to health reasons. But also from what we’re hearing about many in the area, I don’t think getting their kids to school is a top priority for a lot of people (just look at Misty and HER “mother.”). I’m not saying that was Ron’s attitude. Just another possibility.
treece @ 1:58 I agree. Not much but rumormongering, gossip, hard feelings etc came from KP’s involvement (except a lot of publicity for KP which, fortunately, backfired as far as I’m concerned at least)
treece said:
I also read someplace that her court order to pay this has not stopped or been lowered just because Haleigh is missing
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Steph Watts said on the Levi Page Show (IIRC, that was Sunday night), that Crystal is no longer obligated to pay any support for HaLeigh.
I am pretty sure that Steph started speaking around the 20 minute mark.
Here’s the link if you want to listen:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LeviPage/2009/10/12/The-Levi-Page-Show
If they did such a huge investigation, sorry but them kids would have been out of there, misty was 16 or 17 at that time and on drugs did they find that out? Would ron have lost child support if they knew haleigh had died? I know he would have lost jr!Seems to me they all look like liears, evertime they talk to ron his eye’s are so big and acts like he is afraid to anwser any questions and grandmother looks so good now like she got over it, i mean to me watching them all on tv they didn’t have any hope it was more like someone had died! Again just my opinion and thoughts.
Karon cox, I agree with you. I don’t even see how Crystal could have missed very many dr appts when she only has her kids every other week end.
I had understood it that she missed taking Haleigh to the doctor when she was an infant was part of the reason Ron got custody in the first place.
The way I understand it Crystal lives 2 hours from Ron. Why would she be responsible to get them to school or doctor appt once Ron got custody, anyway.
mariesilk, I am not going to go back to the site where I think you read that story to check what I thought was wrong with it but the same site had a story about another supposed sighting like the next day at a gas station. BIG headline that LE didn’t follow up. Well if you read the story closely you’ll see that the “tipsters” claimed they did not report it until the next day because of no cell phone reception (My question: so the gas station didn’t have a phone to call 911?) and then they claim they watched the couple and child for a while (My question: But no vehicle description or license plate?)
If I were LE I would not bother following up on crap like that either. The whole point of having that story on that site was to create a “sensational” headline to get people all excited and worried and make LE look bad. The whole thing adds up to NADA and carp (I purposely misspelled that last word)
treece, I don’t know when all the missed doctor appointments were – when Haleigh was a baby or more recently – but that put the lid on the jar for me. NO responsible, loving mother MISSES doctor’s appointments ESPECIALLY when the child has known health issues. Something is very very wrong with that picture. Perhaps it was long ago and one of the reasons Ron got custody. But it tells A LOT about Crystal.
Linda, I don’t know what all they were thinking but I can speculate. IF I were in their shoes I would not have wanted to jerk JR from the security that he has and add any more trauma to his little heart than he already had, not having his sister. I would not have taken him if I felt he was safe. I assume alot of the stability that they felt was in Jr’s life would have been because the Grandmother was there and very capable.
If my child or grandchild were missing I would probably look worse than I would if I knew they were dead. If they were dead I would be devastated from my loss. If they were missing I would be devastated & in fear of what they might be suffering. I would look like crap, feel like crap, and probably be sick of most of the media’s questions. I would be sick of all the questions that had nothing to do with my child. So I personally can not judge them by how they look or act to the media. I could kiss the one putting my babies picture out there and deck the one that wants to ask about my love life or personal business. JMO Treece
I wonder if LE has searched Pharmacy and Doctors in and around family members’ hometown on who has scripts for albuterol inhaler. These are only gotten by prescription and the ones for a child Haleighs age are even more special. Her with Turners Syndrome and Asthma would need a lot of these. They can easily go on line and check the prescription database.
Linda, but to acknowledge your question better it is true I don’t even know if they did an investigation at all. I just know it was told on the news that they did a deep investigation from many different reporters. BUt you are right we really don’t know what that entailed.
The injury at school with the monkey bars was only 2or 3 weeks before she went missing! They showed pictures of her face on tv and how it had gotten worse, thats why her grandmother took her to the hospital! How do we know if she got her meds? NO BODY!!!
Linda, did you or someone say that the accident at school was investigated – at least after Haleigh went missing?
I sure hope so. And I wonder what the meds were.
Painkillers that someone could sell or trade or take themselves?
But chances are if Haleigh may have passed away at home from that, then Ron would probably have tried for a HUGE lawsuit against the school. I don’t know. And thinking – 3 weeks after the fact – that the COD was from the fall might not have occurred to whoever was with Haleigh. Someone could have panicked. Hopefully LE talked with the teachers at the school the day before Haleigh went missing-to see how she was feeling and acting.
Monkey Bar Fall was November 5th of 2008. DCF reinvestigated it just this last time it was brought up again in March of 2009 the medication that was given to Haleigh for the fall was ibuprofen
m2c:
I don’t know which site you mean, I heard another group discussing it somewhere else. You have way more info than me, lol. I was just throwing around ideas.
Like I said, I go back on forth on this so fast I sometimes, I get dizzy. So the source is flimsy? Still, le should check it all out regardless, I don’t mean they should fly all over the country and track down everyone who makes a sighting, just call le down there and have them verify who the child really is. Most times it shouldn’t take too long to find out. And I would expect the same from you or myself or anyone if they were le.
texasgoldengirl, yes $12,000 and looming jail-time sounds like a lot of motive but when you think about how much it would cost in money and other resources to hide a child…. A child with medical problems and a webbed neck?
And I really don’t think any serious person would accuse her of killing the child, would they? Not even the most avid Crystal-haters, you would think.
m2c missing that many doctor appts is a big deal is too much to ignore.
Linda, I am sorry, gave you wrong info about monkey bar accident. I heard report that said that happened “last year” and I misunderstood it to mean “last school year”. In the pictures her hair seemed shorter to me so I mis assumed it was at least a year ago. Truth was “last year” was only 3 months prior to her coming up missing.
Sorry. Treece
cn2souls, thank you for the monkey bar facts.
SO Sundays show is going to be about Cobra and Kim and Waste of our time i see. It is a shame that HALEIGH gets forgot everytime. Why did kim come in the picture again? What is she trying to hide? Makes me think LE should be Looking at the mom’s side thouroughly!
A man doesn’t want to marry the mother of his children but he’s going to get custody. Hmmm…. Only two possible reasons I can think of. Both self-serving.
gentry0263 said,in October 16th, 2009 at 10:32 am To texasgoldengirl:
Fact #4: Stealing a non custodial child does not eliminate a non custodial parent’s owed child support. If Crystal thought for some reason it would, she obviously would have needed to take both kids, not just one.
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If they thought she stole the kid. But if the kid is “gone” and the custodial parent is not taking care of them, the other parent does not have to pay child support on a child that is not in that household anymore. Kid is not eating, no one is buying clothes for them. They aren’t there. That’s a FACT.
The fact is they would not have to pay on going child support if the child was no longer in the home, but they would still owe back child support. This is even owed after the child turns 18 unless the parent it is owed to decides they dont want it, or there is welfare owed.
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Granted. You are right about that. But keep in mind that Crystal was fast approaching owing three years worth of back child support which is when they would have thrown her in jail whether Ron pressed charges or not. Haleigh’s dissappearance prevented her from reaching that three year mark from what I understand.
What’s more the debut was high and getting higher every day. Debt she couldn’t pay kept increasing monthly. So at least the amount stopped “building” the day Haleigh dissappeared.
I’m not saying Crystal did it or her fiance did it or that they even had anything to do with it. I’m saying that she has motive and everyone should be a suspect. I’m not saying misty isn’t guilty or possibly lying.
I am saying I don’t trust lie detector tests, the average stage hypnotist would have put that bozo from the FBI to shame, and it is also possible the Misty is innocent and telling the truth to the best of her muddled drug affected ability.
Shoot, they could all be innocent and it could be that low life across the pond with the boat that Law Enforcement non-chalantly dismissed after thinking about it for about 2 1/2 minutes because he wears an ankle monitor.
My problem is not that they consider Misty a suspect. My problem is that the ONLY consider Misty a suspect and no one else. You can’t get blood out of a turnip. They can’t seem to get what they think they want out of Misty whether she is purposely withholding, honestly doesn’t know or fears for her life. Why not look under very rock instead of just the “misty” rock.
I agree Texasgoldengirl. Too much, too many were ruled out too soon. What was LE thinking? If they were thinking at all.
I meant to say why not look under every rock instead of just the misty rock.
Paws – Although there is no proof that Haleigh was taken by someone and is still alive, we can’t require proof before investigating the possibility and searching for her. I disagree about Crystal not showing emotion. I’ve seen her show plenty of emotion, especially in the beginning. Numbness has probably set in as a self protective mechanism to survive this. It’s a handy tool to use until you are strong enough to deal with it.
Good post texagoldengirl.
I agree WTF, enough with the Cobra show.
alethea said,
A man doesn’t want to marry the mother of his children but he’s going to get custody. Hmmm…. Only two possible reasons I can think of. Both self-serving.
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Right, because it’s not possible that he LOVES his children and simply WANTS custody.
If that is what you think of men, you clearly do not know any high quality men. I know several men that have custody of their children, and there was no hidden motivations behind fighting for custody. These men loved their children and felt it was in the kids’ best interest to live with them. Apparently the judges all agreed in these cases.
Not everything is about “getting back” at the mother, or not wanting to pay child support (as some would suggest – not saying YOU). Some men JUST LOVE THEIR CHILDREN & want what is best for them. It’s sad that some people hate to see a man with custody. IMO.
I applaud any parent that stands up for his or her child.
Texasgoldengirl, I agree with you they need to look in every direction. I’m not sure that child support stopped on Haleigh. I heard this discussed once and it was said her cs was court ordered and Haliegh being missing do not stop or reduce it,that she would have to go to court to get that done.
I like what m2c said about that earlier, looks like Kim P would have taken care of that months ago.
does not stop or reduce it – I need to proof read
alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm texasgoldengirl, yes $12,000 and looming jail-time sounds like a lot of motive but when you think about how much it would cost in money and other resources to hide a child…. A child with medical problems and a webbed neck?
And I really don’t think any serious person would accuse her of killing the child, would they? Not even the most avid Crystal-haters, you would think.
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let me first of all say that I am not a Cyrtal-hater, but the fact is there’s a lot of motive there. That’s just a fact. Just like it’s a fact that Misty was babysitting when Haleigh went missing. There is also motive that she may not have thought Misty was an adequate caretaker and her belief that ron left bruises on Haleigh’s face once….combined with a horrendous, ever increasing debt. Motive and lots of it.
The nebulizer being missing points to the possibility that whoever took the child cares about the child and wants her properly cared for. That is why one of the things that infuriates me the most is that I can almost bet you that the FBI has NOT contacted the American Medical Association and asked them to contact every Endoctrinologist’s office in the entire United States and asked them to do a google search for a picture of Haleigh to see if she is being treated in their office.
Why do I believe they haven’t done that? For the same reason the police did not respond to a call (years ago) from some woman who lived by the Garrido’s claiming that a convicted sex offender had children living in his backyard!!! The police went out and questioned him in his front yard, and did not even go into the backyard where his kidnap victim lived with her two children.
It’s like they have this memorized rote routine that they go through. They assume after so many hours that the child is in all probability dead.
And finding Shawn Hornbeck, Elizabeth Smart, and now Jaycee Duggard who were not dead but forced to live in hell…has taught them nothing. They are really THAT STUPID or that unwilling to admit they need to make some serious changes when it comes to looking for missing children.
They need to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the child is not always dead and start re-thinking their response and act accordingly.
And the thing that bugs me the most is the fact that all the sex offenders in the area have not been thoroughly investigated. I realize that police don’t have the resources to do that themselves, but they just ARRESTED SOMEONE FOR CUFFING A SEX OFFENDER.
And this is not about liking or disliking Cobra. It doesn’t matter if he is a total jerk or a good hearted saint. The fact is the wrong person got thrown in jail that day and that’s a FACT!
In a perfect world, every citizen would be instantly deputized when a child went missing and regular members of the community could go around knocking on the doors of sex offenders telling them to step aside, they are going to have their house and property searched.
In a less than perfect world for crying out loud don’t arrest a licenced bond agent who is actually authorized to arrest someone who is violating their parole by continually hanging around children.
Misty, misty, misty. That’s all LE in Satsuma can think of. They must dream of tearing her limb from limb as they fall asleep each night, but the convicted sex offender that lives across the pond, with the boat in front of his house was eliminated as a suspect almost instantly in their minds because of an ankle monitor? Like someone couldn’t have delivered the child to him for a price there is Sodom and Gomorrah (I mean Satsuma).
Sorry for my rant and sorry if you think I hate crystal. I do not. I just think they need to search around every corner and it bugs me that they seem to be suffering from Misty tunnel vision.
Texasgg- clap, clap, clap, I am applauding you, don’t apologize for the rant, it is all true. I also do not hate Crystal, Misty, or Ronald. But I hate what has happened to Haleigh and EVERYONE should be checked out that could have done this.
I also agree that place sounds like a modern day Sodom & Gomorrah. What a twisted place. At the same time I have compassion on all 3 of them. Ron & Crystal for their child missing, Misty for it happening on her watch and all the crap that has come against them. If they are innocent they have been dealt some rough blows that they didn’t deserve. If they are guilty I pray the truth comes out.
Mariesilk, appreciate your earlier post re Crystal’s possible motives. Funny how the only real theory that works in any way of Crystal’s involvement is that she cared about the kids. So much for the Crystal-haters. Wonder who they really are anyway.
Frankly, I think the side-shows some complain about as “diverting attention from the search” are probably what’s going to break the case — IF it gets solved.
Unfortunately, Sunny may be right.
yeah…what J said. You go ahead J, I’m just going to sit over hear & quietly bang my head on the desk.
J, I agree there are a number of good men that have custody of their children and sacrifice much of their life to do so. It is not easy by any means. I also, know of a few who have taken custody for wrong reasons. Men & women alike can do it with the best or worst of motives.
More applause Texasgg. I agree!
I do not hate Crystal and I tend to think she was not involved. HOWEVER, there are a LOT of people around her – relations, friends, acquaintemces – who might be worth some serious checking in to. One of them could be involved and she might not even know. Same goes for Misty and her “clan” of family, friends and acquaintances. And then there’s everyone else!
Treece:
What I was trying to say earlier was that Crystal missed a bunch of doctor visits for Haleigh before she was two yrs. old. That was part of the reason she lost custody. Ron got custody of her when she was 2 yrs old and, he is responsible for her missing so much school. I heard Ronald on a NG interview saying this.
Oh, and did you hear what a good father he was, right! I think we all heard the truth when he said, How could you let my child get stole, BITCH!!!
Karon, It seems from what i have observed that a great many “country” people simply do not take stock in doctors. I knew one who would not go unless he was falling on the floor, and someone picked him up and took him.It may be a cultural thing.I wouldn’t make too much of it.
I hear what you’re saying, Linda. But I think the quote you used speaks more about the “wonderful husband-to-be” (not)! 🙂
There have been several recent news stories about parents whose religious beliefs prevented them from letting their children see doctors but I certainly won’t ascribe that reason/excuse to Crystal just because I’ve heard of it.
(BTW, those parents explained their reasons and both children died as a result).
I think when people have certain beliefs about doctors (and similar things) they tell people – whether it’s religion, or cost, or no faith in doctors. They tell people!
Anyway, I sure would like to hear from Crystal herself why she missed so many of Haleigh’s appointments. I guess that happened pretty long ago and may have come up in the custody hearings if it was ever discussed, so if anything was ever said about it, I guess it would be in those records. No use asking now (since we’ve just given her a choice of two reasons to pick from).
Hmmm, So let me get this straight. Because some of us are moving on to other possible motives and theories, We are Crystal haters??? WOW! Alrighty then.
Well, They have gotten nowhere for 8 months. They have cleared way too many people way too quickly. They need to look closer on Crystal’s side of the world and dig deeper and see what they may or may not find.
“Crystal haters” is a little harsh, especially since LE hasn’t even looked into them obviously.
IMO
Also, I don’t think it’s a good idea to lump people into general categories like “country” and then ascribe certain tendencies to them. It’s generalizing and stereotyping. I know plenty of “country” people – just like anybody else – who go don’t mind and/or actually appreciate going to doctors.
I guess the best way to put it is MAYBE Crystal had some reason for not doing it and we don’t know it.
m2c I am not referring to religious beliefs, just attitudes. Your immediate and violent reaction is possibly an example of what Crystal was up against in court. Personally, I think she has been in bad shape and just can’t cope. What I am seeing is something that just doesn’t happen to a person overnight.
In my opinion.
oh, m2c, was she with Ronald when all these appointments were missed? That would be very significant.
When you have children, you make sure they go to the doctor. When you have children with disabilities, you do everything to make sure you don’t miss an appointment unless your on your death bed. JMHO
I know some things can come up, But not each and every time. Not like this. IMO
Oh, also to m2c, If you hunt around on the internet I’m sure you will find plenty of horror stories with the “wrong address” scenario Crystal is claiming when the custody suit begins. Do you actually live in Florida?
BTW, I’m “country people” and have no problem with doctors. If I run into a disagreement or issue with a doctor, I simply go through the tasks to get a new one if need be.
Wrong Address Scenario can mean a few things. 2 come to mind right now. Either she purposely gave the wrong address or she moves around way too much. But that’s just my opinion.
m2c, some reason we don’t know about? What do you mean? People who don’t believe (as a matter of religion) in using doctors (meaning allopathic medicine) don’t wind up with a drug problem. Duh.
Paws? A person on their deathbed just might have a better chance of making that appointment than someone with certain conditions (such as severe PTSD.)
Oh, just my opinion, of course.
I’m done.
PTSD,,, poor excuse.
I have Severe PTSD and it DOES NOT STOP me from getting my kids to their appointments, PERIOD!!!
I could type all the medical problems me and both my kids have. But #1, there isn’t enough room here, #2 it’s very intense.
The point is, when you have a child/ren, they are 1st and fore most #1 in EVERYTHING. There are no excuses for not being able to take them to the doctor, or having the other parent take them or even a relative take them. NO EXCUSES.
alethea! My “immediate and violent reaction?” Good grief! What was violent about it? I was describing various reasons people have for not going to doctors and saying that when they have a reason they might tell someone. Also, I would not assume that any reason I’ve ever heard of was Crystal’s reason. I don’t think it’s a good idea to assume/imagine what Crystal’s reason was (if she had a reason). Good gracious!
The fact that my response was fairly soon after your comment was only because I’d just sat down to catch up on the blog and tend to read from the newest back and saw yours and responded. I had not been here until right after you posted.
Alethea, yes, if asking Crystal why she missed a dozen of Haleigh’s doctor’s appointments is an example of what “she was up against in court” then I can only hope that is correct. A court would be remiss if she was not asked about that.
Wouldn’t you agree that Crystal would deserve a chance to explain it?
I was only giving examples of the many reasons some people have for not going to the doctor and saying that I would not assume/imagine that any one of them was someone else’s reason. Why make up stuff when we don’t know?
Would I be correct in assuming that any potentially possible maybe negative or even not so good comment regarding or about or in relation to Crystal is not acceptable to you?
BTW, I want to say this too. When Haleigh was missing school, Did Ron or Misty or TN or anyone else go get any homework for her so she wouldn’t fall behind in school? Because if no one did, then he’s just as bad as Crystal for not taking Haleigh to her appointments. Both issues are extremely important for children.
Good gracious, again, Alethea! @ your 7:24 pm. I just heard about the wrong address thing the other day. (Ron had some papers delivered to the wrong address or something?) I’ve never given it a thought. Never commented on it. Have no interest in it. I have stated over and over again that I do not favor Ron, Crystal or Misty.
And I just wrote today that I tend not to think that Crystal was involved (although friends or relations might be). I don’t know why you are jumping all over me about this. I think you’ve got me confused with someone else.
And just for future reference, remember Shakespeare’s line, “Methinks she doth protest too much!” In other words, going overboard in defending someone (especially from a minor, negative opinion) can backfire big time.
Why are we arguing, Crystal obvously was not a fit parent or she would have custody of her children!!! And I lived in Florida my entire life (yes, an original Florida Cracker), it’s not easy for a man to get custody from the mother in the great state of Florida, there has to be extenuating circumstances. So no need to argue about what kind of mother she was, a judge already ruled on that one!
PAW69 – At 5 wouldn’t Haleigh have been in kindergarten? Not sure how much homework there is there. But as I said earlier, given the characters we know about in that area it looks like a lot of parents aren’t too worried about their kids going to school at any age (Misty’s Mom is one example)
Each state is different. I know when my kids were sick in Kindergarten, I went to the school to get the activities they did that day and the next day if needed. They gave me worksheets for them to do.
Where was Misty raised, Satsuma area, Tennessee or somewhere else? Just curious.
Thank you, Toughenough.
Some people go ballistic when just one negative thing or opinion is expressed about some people (more than just Crystal).
And that’s the “polarizing” kind of thing that puts an end all “thinking” and all real debate, discussion or investigation.
Haleigh is not going to be found by choosing up sides, sticking to them no matter what (the “my guy can do no wrong” attitude) and battling it out on a blog. It’s ridiculous
I am not taking a stand against any of these people, because so many differnt things could have happened. Haleigh has a very serious disorder, and had critical problems when she was younger. That was what was so critical about Crystal taking her to her doctor appointments. That went against her in court during the custody hearing. These doctor appointments were missed before Ron got custody when Haleigh was 2 yrs. old.
I want to say I have blogged with M2C many times. We have debated, so to speak, on a number of things we didn’t agree on but I have never seen M2C react violently on anything. I also have seen him defend Ron, Misty, and Crystal when someone was really going off on speculations with nothing to base it on. One of the reasons I always like M2Cs comments is they seem to stay so level headed & balanced. I think you must be misunderstanding something.
JMO thanks, Treece
Karon, thank you. I’m not taking a stand against OR FOR any of these people either. LOL! That’s what’s so funny! But apparently mentioning one questionable thing is just not acceptable to some people.
BTW, Alethea, when I said “some reason we don’t know about” could be anything from a flat tire, to no transportation at all to any of many legitimate reasons. I’m afraid you’re so intent on blasting people who MIGHT be putting Crystal down that you’re missing people who are NOT!
Karon cox, I agreed it was Ron’s fault Haleigh missed school, that was the point I was making was that Crystal had the kids every other Sat & Sun. she wouldn’t have had them on school days.
Just FYI, Treece
We have to move on and look at other possibilities and other people in this situation. After 8 months of nothing, One has to wonder if LE and others are looking in the wrong direction.
Last I knew, we were able to have our own opinions and our own way of thinking as long as we didn’t bash each other when discussing it.
Sometimes I feel just because I don’t see things one way or the other or I have different theories for different people, I’m forced to feel like I’m in the wrong.
I shouldn’t have to be pushed in 1 decision or another.
No one knows anything at this point, 8 months later. So what’s wrong with exploring other avenues, ya know.
For Example: I don’t always agree with M2C. But M2C also has some theories or ideas to really think about and consider. Will I change my mind? Probably not lol. But it may be something I may consider listening to and looking closer at.
LOL Poor M2C… We use you for our examples in debates lol. I’ve posted with you since the Casey case. So I know how our dicussions can get. 😛
PAW69 I agree in order for us all to enjoy this we must agree to disagree sometimes. I also, like hearing other’s views and sometimes they have changed the way I was thinking just by presenting it from a different angle.
Treece – Thank you! I’m going to have to hit the dictionary to be sure I know what “violent” means and see how it relates to my 7:12 post! LOL!
PAW69 – Exactly! That’s what we’re here for! To share ideas and theories and what little information we have. We don’t have to agree all the time. It would kind of be scary if we did. And I don’t think it would be good for the investigation if we already had our minds made up either. I mean on what basis could we possibly make up our minds for or against anyone in this mess of characters!
Plus, no one is perfect. So there are probably good and bad things about every single person involved in this case including those who became involved later. NO ONE IS PERFECT! That kind of attitude reminds me of the kind of mother who would say “MY child would never do that!” when the neighbor saw him with her very own eyes.
Who ends up suffering? The child. Because the mom never acknowledged or accepted that he could do any wrong. That’s totally unrealistic.
Let me tell ya. It took a long time for me to throw Casey under the bus and then I flip flopped a lot about Cindy and George. Well when actual facts came out that would be hard for the defense to argue, I looked closer, waited a little longer, then Casey put her foot in her own mouth. Cindy and George made it easy for me, they threw themselves under the bus on their own. But M2C would explain step by step, piece by piece if needed, to show me what I was actually missing in the whole ordeal. M2C is very logical and explains things very easy for you if you don’t understand it.
Did any of you see the Nancy Grace show tonight? Ronald and Misty’s divorce is final, and Misty’s lawyer has notified Ron’s lawyer not to talk to Misty at all unless her lawyer is present. They said Misty is with relatives in an unknown place. This sounds to me like Misty might possibly be talking. I certainly hope so.
Misty’s mother is out of jail. They are saying she didn’t tell LE anything new, but I doubt that. You know they had to reduce that bail before she could get out.
Misty and her lawyer must have made up, because he is representing her, again.
I’ve said this before, The Media tends to only show the bad sides in people involved in anything. They NEVER show the good sides of anyone. So right away we have already made up our minds because of the bad things that we saw from the Media. That’s why I have said, before any of this happened remember this, Ron WAS at work, He DID have his own home and he DID have custody of his children and was probably trying to make a better life for his kids and himself, and BOOM!, in 1 night, it was all taken away from him.
But!, Due to the media, Ron is shown as a pedophile druggie with no life. BAM! he’s a low life.
YET, none of us were there to say yes or no about whether Ron was trying to better his life. It’s very hard to do that anyways in a town like that obviously. Because it seems most everyone there is druggies, alcoholics, and having sex with everything that moves.
m2c, I agree,there are so many turns and cross roads in this case anything could have possibly happened. The only one in my opinion that would absolutely surprise me if they were directly involved would be Ron, but I can see where he could be indirectly involved, I don’t think he is (but you know, the company you keep type thing). I really don’t think Misty can add any more to this case it is my opinion that she either slept through it or was drugged. And although Crystal has motive, I don’t know if I really think she is guilty of more than being a poor example of a mother. I do however think Joe and Tommy also had motive and opportunity, jmo. But I also think there is a good possibility a SO did this. I can also admit when I’m wrong, just ask my hubby, before Susan Smith was suspected, I cried with her and my heart broke for both her and David, my husband said “that mother did something to her boys” and I scolded him, then he said look at her shes crying but there are no tears, I argued only to wake up to the big announcement the next day. But to get back to Haleigh it doesn’t matter who hs the right theory as long as someone finds this little girl, there is way too much of this sort of thing going on. And way to many cheif-wanna-be’s in the tribe. I no longer live in Florida so all I can do is theorize, pray, and mention her everywhere I go. It doesn’t matter who is right or wrong in theory just that one of the theories leads us to her.
Treece,(8:29pm post) I agree!
That’s very nice of you to say, Treece and PAW69.
And I don’t mind if, after I’ve explained something, you still don’t agree. That’s okay. Keeps me thinking, too! I really don’t want to be the “my way or the highway” kind of person.
I learn a heck of a lot from you all too.
Karon, that’s actually normal procedure now that they are divorced. It saves both of them from any further BS and Rumors.
It was also on NG that Misty is making amends with Tommy, boy I hope that’s a ploy to get him talking, jmo.
It probably is, because I can see she is right about 1 thing for sure, Her family will backstab each other in a red hot minute.
IMO
Yes, they said Misty was making up with her family.
Sorry, but I have to ask something off topic…I had to be away from computerland late May through June (my first GRANDbaby was born) and when I came back theres no Pickles; Paw or m2c do you know where shes at?
Toughenogh @ 8:51 – I agree! And PAW69 @ 8:50, too!
No one’s all good and no one’s all bad. The media sensationalizes everything. And then people take sides. It’s way too early in this situation (IMO) to decide pretty much anything – certainly not things as important as who’s the better parent or “who did it!”
If we can discuss everything – pros and cons and all we know and how we interpret what we hear and know – we stand a better chance of figuring things out. That’s why I enjoy being able to blog with you all about this!
Toughenough, I’m not sure but last I heard she’s in school and really busy with lots of good things going on in her life!
m2c, I guess it was looking to me like some people are just looking for reasons to pounce on Crystal. I’ve had enough of seeing people pick on the wrong person, like stepping on the fingers of the one hanging on the edge of the cliff.
It sure looks like a case where so many people are looking for someone to hang. But they all have so much love, don’t they. They are mad because Misty hasn’t panned out. Well, I have one FINAL thing to say. It looks like you’ll never figure Misty if you don’t figure Ron. The key to the key as it were.
Have fun with your backfires and your blowups.
All just my opinion of course.
Alethea, while M2c is working on his/her violence, backfiring and blowups would you please work on removing that boulder from your shoulder. He/she is not against Crystal or you.
JMO of course. Treece
Althea:
I agree that it centers around Ron, but I don’t know how, just, yet.
Just 1 question. How is Crystal the wrong person? How is Ron the wrong person? How is Misty the wrong person? How are any of them the wrong person?
How are any of the above listed the right person?
NO ONE KNOWS!!!!!!!
hello everyone,
errr!!! i tried to find the custody papers for haleigh and ronald jr. online so i could talk with some facts. i cannot find them – i stink at looking things up!
some of you are talking about crystal not taking haleigh to her doctor’s appointments. i do believe ron said in court that crystal missed 12 doctor appointments???
i have noticed a number of times woman seemed to think this is proof that crystal should have lost custody of haleigh and junior. maybe, this is correct if the facts are true. i really don’t know what the truth is here though. i do beleive ronald has an arrest record for drugs a few times? i really doubt he was innocent or not guilty everytime. i think he has his own credibilty issues. correct me if i am wrong, but did ronald say in court (during the custody hearing(s)) that he does not use drugs? i believe crystal admitted in court to drug use and went for treatment for her drug issues. if the above is true, then to me crystal may be the more truthful person.
i find it horrifing that it came down to money. i believe the judged ruled ronald to get the children because of money. i don’t know what the judge was personally thinking, maybe, he had other reasons, but i believe that was the official ruling. money and insurance for the children. so it may have been a decision that was best for the state?? i hope not thouth!
about the missed doctor’s appntmnts for haleigh. i believe marie g. on camera said it was not that simple. that it was not all crystal’s fault abt missd appts. (i am doing my best to remember what she said – i hope i get it right.) something about the missed doctor’s appointment’s happened when crystal lived with ron sr. that crystal did not have a driver’s license for awhile due to r.c. sr. not wanting c.s. to have one. that she had no transpertation. and ronald sr. did have a driver’s license. so marie, herself, bought crystal a car so crystal could take haleigh to her appointment’s and to have a car. butttt, due to crystal not having a driver’s license and/or not being a legal adult at the time of purchase of the car, marie allowed ronald to have his name on car. then when crystal left ronald sr., ronald sr. refused(?) to let crystal have the car back even though they were apart and marie intended the car to be for crystal’s use. so now again she had issues of how to take haleigh to her appointments.
who to believe, but, it is relevant to me if marie is telling the truth. if ronald really wanted haleigh to make her doctor’s appntmnts, i think he could have found a way to see to it whether he took haleigh himself or saw to it some else did. i think the same thing about crystal when she had a car and the money and haleigh to do so. she should have made sure someone took her if she herself could not. but, of course things are rarely black and white. if marie bought the car for crystal to take haleigh, at least she was trying to help, that way.
i am not sure, but, i also am under the impression the doctor’s appntmnts were to monitor haleigh’s turner’s synd. i don’t believe she was taking any medication for this, i believe it was a case of monitoring haleigh.
i don’t mean to dismiss the fact haleigh should go to the doctor. but, it seems some are exaggerating things to make a point. they both are responsible for the missed appntmnts if you ask me. and ron has repeatedly said publicly haleigh only needs meds for her asthma. (i did look up turner’s awhile ago, i think treatment begins at puberty but, she really does need to be monitored, throughout childhood. so of course this is a concern!) i don’t know if she missed appointments for general care and asthma? does anyone else know?
please correct me if i am wrong. i really thought important to say we don’t really know the whole truth about this, or at least i am not sure abt the whole truth.
also, if prev discussed i apologize, so many comments to read, i skimmed some.
Of course it centers aroun Ron, Haleigh is his daughter, it centers aroud him not out of guilt but rather relationship. He is at the center of this mess because he is most affected. I pray that his daughter will be returned soon, alive, & healthy. I pray the perps are revealed quickly and justice be served (although I think we can all agree theres not a harsh enough punishment for this crime) MHO
What is there to exaggerate when clearly a child was not taken to the doctor while under her mother’s care?
Also, if it’s true that Marie got her a car to take Haleigh to the doctor and she still didn’t take her, then it shows where her priorities really are.
Crystal has been caught placing false reports and lying as it is. It’s really hard to believe someone who will go to any means to make others look bad instead of taking resposibilities for her own actions.
IMO
ms peridot, I can see that it may not have been any more Crystals fault than Rons fault that Haleigh missed the doctor appts. ALL of the adults in her life should have done better at keeping those appts. It could be an injustice to Crystal that she was blamed and it could be why she did not get custody.
My opinion is that regardless, Crystal must have felt like the kids were in a safe place and life was well for them or she surely would have been trying to keep her child support paid. She was not only risking jail time by not paying but she could have risk losing visitations rights too. I know money situations can be huge factors for all of us. But if she thought Ron was a danger you would think that would have been a priority to pay so she was guaranteed visitation. You would also think she would have been working on getting custody herself if she felt they were in danger. From my observation Crystal must have been ok with the arrangement of the kids.
Ms.Peridot:
She isn’t on meds at the present, according to Ron, except her Albuterol. However, she has been in the hospital a number of times with pneumonia, I believe. They had a hard time with her health when she was younger, but they said she had outgrown alot of it. She still needs her nebulizer at times and her Albuterol. Turner Syndrome patients can turn critical very rapidly because they are prone to circulatoey problems, breathing problems, and kidney problems. That is what has been said on TV.
Well to night on nancy grace, mike said something that made perfect sense to me and that is give hank misty’s brother a polly!
Because when he went there that night if the door was unlocked he could have went and hid untill after misty went to bed, he could have set the hole thing up as far as the back door! Sound’s like he had time?
But also something eles bugs me about this and that is, if misty went to a party and haleigh got someone meds and took them and died she may have ask hank to help her, he came to her aid the night her and ron got into a fight!
She called her family and ask them to come and get her, ron came out beating hank up and went to jail for it so that tells me they would her family come to aid misty that her brother cares about her!
I wonder if she came in late put haleigh to bed went back checked on her because she knew she had taken some medication, maybe thats when she found haleigh dead and that she had wet on herself so she washed her blanket to wrap her in, dose anyone know if the blanket was still there?
The caylee anthony case was going on at that time which could have gave them an idea to say someone came in and took her?
She knew what time ron would get home and they had time to do something with her body! It might have been someone she was at the party with but i think a brother that knew ron would kill his sister would be willing to help her and keep her secret!!
Give him polly!!!
Another thing that bugs me is why ron lied? He keep telling nancy grace misty was at home! And then it come’s out he had called her over 20 times and then called her brother?
ms.peridot19:
You have a long post. Let me try to hit on some of it.
Not all of the custody documents are online. Keep in mind that this was a long custody case. There are 2 links online that you can read. Hm. I just tried to get you the links & it seems like the links to all the documents have been pulled offline. Well I can tell you that Ron was not only awarded custody b/c of financial reasons. Here is a screenshot I found online that shows Ron was awarded custody in part b/c of Crystal”s lack of sustained contacted with the kids:
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/968/lackofsustainedcontact.jpg
Here is another screenshot I found showing Crystal saying she didn’t want to get out of bed:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5668/didntgetoutofbed.jpg
What you should understand about Haleigh’s Tuner Syndrome is that it is under control now. But when she was younger she had a much harder time. That is when she needed a nebulizer for breathing treatments. She has also been hospitalized more than once. She needed more frequent monitoring when she was younger. Ron was the one working back then supporting the family. Crystal was the one that was a “stay at home mother”. It was her job to take the children to doctor’s appointments and such. Ronald’s grandmother was available to take Crystal to appointments. Crystal also had her own family in Satsuma who should have been available to take her if she needed rides.
I wish you could read the custody documents so you could read what Crystal’s attorney had to say. Within 10 days of Ron getting custody, over the Christmas holiday, b/w Christmas and New Years, Crystal allegedly got a job, a car, a mortgage for a house in her name and a new boyfriend. All in 10 days. Crystal is not the mouse she wants people to think she is.
hello everyone,
karon thanks for the explanation about the divorce
and everyone thank you too for the links of who to write to. i have been trying to figure exactly what to write, not my strong suit.
i apologize that i did not make myself clear. making points well are not my strong suit at all. especially when i answer the phone and finish posting while talking to someone else. i am really happy there are not fines for misspellings too. (no more posting while talking!)
that is true PAW69 about a child being under her mother’s care is responsable for taking her child to the doctor when her child needs to go. no disagreement from me!
i was trying to make a different point. if she was under crystal and ronald’s care at the time of the missed appointments (which is what marie said to the best of my ability), they both are responsable for the child getting to the doctor. i guess i don’t understand why many hold crystal more responsable for missed appointments , is all. i was also trying to say if crystal didn’t have a drivers license, it was probably easier for ronald to drive haleigh to the doctor. i believe marie’s point was the missed appointments were when crystal did not have a license and/or a car and for most of the missed appts she still lived with ronald at the time.
life is very unfair. even if ronald thought crystal was a bad mom, and he was right, then he should have stepped up to the plate and taken haleigh himself to the doctor. the 12 number is suspicous to me. that it is alot of missed appointments. if my spouse was supposed to take my child and didn’t, even if it was unfair to me, i would do my best to step up and take the child my self. it just sounds like one of those legal arguments used to make one parent sound bad. if crystal only had kids for 2-3 months(???) by herself, it seems like haleigh would have needed to go to the doctor every week. maybe i am misunderstanding the situation? if so i apologize for my error. please correct me anyone if i am wrong on this.
i don’t know the facts about the false reports. i never got to hear crystal’s side of that story. maybe crystal is a liar . i am not even saying crystal is a better parent.
my other point is i noticed some women seemed
to be judging crystal by a different standard then they judged ron. just my feeling. and i do NOT mean you personally. when i originally was reading on the case, so much hate on the internet, not real concern about haleigh. i could not take it and don’t choose to read most places anymore.
PAW69 “Also, if it’s true that Marie got her a car to take Haleigh to the doctor and she still didn’t take her, then it shows where her priorities really are.” yes i understand what you are saying. i really hope that is not what happened. but, if true, of course i too would take that into consideration if i was the judge deciding custody.
IMO
ms.peridot,
The links to the custody docs appear to be offline. I have them bookmarked, but the links are dead.
I don’t think Marie bought Crystal a car. In the “MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF MAGISTRATE” that Attorney Behm filed on January 6th, 2006, on behalf of Crystal, he stated that Crystal bought herself a car. (Also a home).
Linda:
The first time I heard Misty tell about the blanket, I knew something was wrong. I have wondered and can’t find it anywhere about LE finding that blanket. Misty also said her own blanket was in the van that they took(meaning LE). Why was Misty’s blanket in the van?
Another thing to remember is the dogs tracking right down to the water, and a child’s footprint near the water.
If Misty took that asthmatic child to a party with alot of smoke, out on a cold Feb. night, she could have had an asthma attack and died. Ronald said on the NG show that Haleigh’s inhaler was there at the house. Misty may have not taken it to the party. Then, since drugs were being used at the party, they may have been afraid to call 911.
hello again
did i say exagerate. opps i did. i meant to say, that on paper sometimes things sound worse than they really are. why didn’t they cancel the appointments for heaven’s sake and reschedule when one of them could take her. i mean either parent. this fact alone would not have determined custody if i was a judge and had discretion. it concerns me if money is the main or heavy deciding factor in any child custody case.
i am not sure, if true, but, my impression is and was that maybe ronald is more sophisticated about getting custody. boy, maybe i am glad i am not a judge. but, i do know that accusation abt appts was by a parent trying to keep custody.
WTF!!!! said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
simon and jan are doing an amazing job. i don’t think there is more imp news going on right now. it is relevant to the “aftermath”.
alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm A man doesn’t want to marry the mother of his children but he’s going to get custody. Hmmm…. Only two possible reasons I can think of. Both self-serving
i do personally know of a case of a very dominating man who did this. so that can be one reason.
Ms,Peridot:
Everyone’s nerves are frayed with this case. It is so crazy, and so many lies. I don’t think Crystal’s side of the story has really been told. Marie said Ronald wouldn’t let Crystal have a license or drive. Crystal said she didn’t get her DL until she was 21. Marie said she bought Crystal a car and Ron took it. Crystal said everytime she went to pick up the kids, the Cummings’ family would block her in, so she would have trouble getting out. I suppose just to discourage her. She was so young.
Linda:
I was under the impression that he did take a poly right after this happened, but I am not sure. Tommy was saying when they questioned he and his wife before that he would be glad to take a poly. I saw him in an interview with FirstcoastNews. We really don’t know what LE did about that or Misty’s mother.
when people talk about crystal being at risk for going to jail for back child support. who can i call to verify if that was a real risk in this case? next week i will try to find out. i mean in general, not specifically about ron and crystal, as i am sure no one could answer specifically about a particular case.
also about crystal not trying to get custody. she is sure careful most of the time about what she says. i think it maybe is a part of not crossing ron. of course, that is only one possibility.
about child support, i do find it confusing that it is always about crystal owing back support for haleigh. what i do remember of the papers on the internet, that she was earning a little over 900.00 monthly as a waitress? i believe she had to pay 300.00 + for both children per month.
txgldgrl
“The nebulizer being missing points to the possibility that whoever took the child cares about the child and wants her properly cared for”
this is a very important fact. and most likely true. whoever took her, most likely was aware she needed it. trying to look at all possibilities, could someone have used it for illegal drugs and disposed of it before police would realize that? or even maybe it was accidentally thrown out if things were cleaned up before police arrived. last idea i have on that is, maybe it was broken and thrown out.
texasgldgrl, i mean this seriously, do you have any idea about how many endocrinologists are in the u.s. and maybe even canada or mexico. if i had a missing child, i would try to contact them all. it would be free maybe if they contacted the american endocrinologist’s association and asked to have a pic included with their mail to their current and maybe past members. maybe a printer would donate some of the printing, and paper supplier could donate some of the paper. or if not, maybe the info the association mails out could include a pic of haleigh printed right in it. and maybe i am a crazy woman. just thinking out loud on the internet. if that could happen, i would ask them to keep her picture for the future too. oh of course this is if police did not do this already.
it sure did look as if the police focused in. i did find that very depressing. maybe her parents or other relatives will really find a way to keep searching for her, i hope so.
treece, for what it is worth, i really hope her parents are innocent and get her back, now! it is literally a hell for them.
i had a bad scare once. i would not even begin to compare what i went through to what ron and crystal are going through. i don’t have words for what it felt like. one time when i went to pick up my son at daycare and he was not there. i had to call the police to find him. it took about an hour. thank god a woman saw him at a school and called the police. i drove right over there. i tried to thank the woman for calling the police and staying with him. he was sitting there for hours. but, she would not let me thank her as she was to furious at me for not knowing he was there. i told her i found him because she called the police. i hope she heard me, when she calmed down. really, i could not be more grateful for what she did. i only had a small taste of what haleigh’s family is going through!
i give up i think i cannot get through all post tonight
PAW69,
PAW stands for Proud Army Wife
thank you to you and your husband for his service and yours as his wife. i deeply admire people and their families for serving our country!
is it okay for you to post if you like army wives on lifetime?
PAW69, i really am having trouble keeping up with facts and theories. my head just swims. i want to go back to the beginning to.
ms.peridot,
Crystal was over $12,000 in arrears for child support. That’s 3 years worth of payments. On February 3rd the DOR filed Contempt charges against her. Jail was a very real possibility for her. I’m not sure who you would like to call. You should look into the laws of the State of Florida. Or, do some research. Crystal’s own father was jailed for failure to pay child support. Crystal knew that this was a very real possibility at the hearing that was scheduled for March 27th. (We know that hearing was canceled because HaLeigh was taken, and NO, I am not saying Crystal took her to avoid Court. Just responding to your questions).
The nebulizer being taken is a rumor from early on that grew legs. There is no proof that any nebulizer was ever taken. Ron said HaLeigh only needs to use an inhaler sometimes, not a nebulizer.
I agree with you, however, in that I hope HaLeigh’s parents are innocent. At the same time, I hope that someone in her family has her safe and tucked away somewhere. The alternative is much too awful to even think about. I really pray that someone who loves her has her and is loving her and caring for her. Obviously statistically that is not probable, but without hope, we have nothing, and I will not give up on HaLeigh.
hello paw69
PAW69 said,in October 16th, 2009 at 7:59 pmI could type all the medical problems me and both my kids have. But #1, there isn’t enough room here, #2 it’s very intense.
The point is, when you have a child/ren, they are 1st and fore most #1 in EVERYTHING. There are no excuses for not being able to take them to the doctor, or having the other parent take them or even a relative take them. NO EXCUSES.
okay i agree that you are probably a fabulous parent. and if only all people had that attitude about their kids…
i am truly happy you and your family have had such wonderful medical care. and i am truly happy you have a right to change doctors when you don’t like one.
not everyone is so blessed with wonderful medical care. for example did you know changing doctors can be considered proof of child abuse? i know this for a fact.
i think on the topic of medical care for haleigh, whether ron or crystal, i don’t think the facts are out there enough, for me to have a opinion on what happened with haleigh. we might have to agree to disagree on this point 🙂
paw69
“The Media tends to only show the bad sides in people involved in anything. They NEVER show the good sides of anyone”
yes yes yes. sometime i think some of us, don’t appreciate how lucky we are to have free media. (maybe it is not free anymore.)but boy. doesn’t it seem everything has switched to ratings as opposed to facts. the internet sure is changing things too. it will be interesting to see where we end up news wise in a decade or two.
for example, political commercials are amazing to me. you can cut things together to make anyone seem terrible or great. it is not that hard to distort the facts on any subject the same way with dramatic snipets.
Nobody knows for sure Ms.Peridot. It could be so many people. Ron said that Haleigh’s inhaler was still there at the house, the nebulizer was gone, but her inhaler was still there.
MsPeridot:
You are right about the news. It is getting to be a mess. I hate to hear anything I have heard, because the facts may change the next day,
hello treece,
in October 16th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
thanks for the kind words about the point i was trying to make.
i hope you are correct in your interpretation of the situation. i do wonder if crystal did not know how to try to get the kids back or have the money to do so if she believed it best for the kids. of course it only matters now if it is relevant to what happened to haleigh.
hello karon,
you are really great at keeping the facts straight! i need to take notes, myself. thank you for taking the time, to tell me.
i am very happy haleigh’s health improved with time.
i always wonder if people smoke around haleigh. i have loved ones with asthma, who cannot be around smoke at all. i am so happy the laws have changed about smoking in public for this reason. don’t want people to lose their rights, but, i mean they are not all right around smoking period. of course this may not be true for haleigh and/or maybe no one smokes around her.
earlier i posted about if the le people don’t notify endocrinologist’s maybe her parent’s could. well that would go for allergist’s and pulmonologists too. does anyone know if le does do that, i would think they would do that right away.
October 17th, 2009 at 1:37 am
hello j
i did try to find info myself instead of always asking. thank you, that is probably why i could not find the custody information. i forgot about that info you posted. i am not sure if i remember right though, i thought marie gave crystal money to buy a car when c.s. still lived with ron, but ron kept the car for himself.
linda,
hmmm – misty’s family is saying she call’s them for help. maybe they were just trying to make sure she was okay that night tommy/ron fight. and the timmy phone calls too.
i hope you are so wrong about scenario, but, it is plausible. and it could have been any of how many things that could have gone wrong that night. maybe, no partying even, maybe accident and misty was afraid of losing ron.
maybe tommy was trying to help misty.
jan or simon could you ask the sunday panel about haleigh’s blanket that misty washed? was it still in the mh? or found any where else?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2169871/haleigh_cummings_investigation_is_the_pg2_pg2.html?cat=47
“Misty Croslin Cummings reported finding a blanket and sheets scattered outside the door of the Cummings residence when she discovered Haleigh missing. Did the blanket and sheets scattered outside the trailer after Haleigh disappeared come from the bed in which Haleigh was sleeping?”
people is it legal to copy internet address’ with quotes. maybe i should stop that.
karon,
my nerves are frazzled for sure.
thank you for confirmation on marie saying she paid for crystal to have a car. and marie says ron took it.
it is curious if crystal didn’t get her license till she was 21, why?
if this was happening to her, being blocked in by family, well that explains a lot to me. instead of encouraging ronald to respect women, and especially the mother of his children, he may have been supported in alienating her and the kids from each other? if true how selfish of everyone involved. i hope they were not begrudging crystal her every other weekend with her children. or the children with their mother.
if people did that maybe they were afraid she would find out things and might win custody back? hmmmm but, i doubt once ronald became the primary custodial parent, you could change that. you would have to have prove something terrible happened, because, everyone always believes it is to hard to remove a child from their home.
all this is one more thing to hope isn’t true. i also hope ronald jr. knows it is okay for him to love both of his parents. and we all are hoping he has his sister come home soon!
I’m very confused about two car situations.
The one you mentioned, Ms. Peridot, if Crystal bought a car in her name and Ron “took it” then he could very easily be accused of car theft. And why not do that when they split up? If Crystal bought the car in her AND Ron’s name, then that’s a problem. And who is paying for it?
Was it bought outright or were there payments owed – and if so who paid them? Does Florida have car taxes, registration, renewals, inspections, etc? If so, and if Ron was paying them then well, who’s car is it? THere are so many questions that come to mind when someone says something like Marie did. “Ron took it.” Of course the immediate (and obviously desired) result is Ron is a car thief. But is he really?
Only the answers to the other questions would tell us.
Also I read that the car that Tommy sold very quickly after Haleigh disappeared was registered to Misty and her mother. So Tommy had no legal right to sell it. And I read that the title was never signed over to the new owner. So that’s another car mess but it’s never been looked into as far as I know.
Oh and Ms Peridot, you asked, “it is curious if crystal didn’t get her license till she was 21, why?”
Early in the case I remember reading that Misty was driving without a license – she’d never gotten one – well she was only 16. Anyway soon after than news was made public, she got her license.
I have to think that some people in that community just don’t pay any attention to little things like laws (even driver’s licenses) and apparently local LE doesn’t either. (Or underage girls shacked up with older men). At least not until the national public becomes aware of the situation.
(I’m going to be sarcastic here) So that leads me to wonder if it would help for us to point out to local LE that drugs and sexual offences (especially against children and minors) are against the law. Maybe LE would wake up and start doing something about that! 🙂
Ms. Machiavelli said,in October 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am Cobra -the specific facts mentioned in those posts are telling, and yes, very interesting. Only a few would know.
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Cobra, your own statements on the Radio Show each week, have led us to believe that you would NOT be in this position, if your now ‘good’ friend KLP had not set you up; even her brother-in-law was on the show backing up your statements. Are you saying that KP now, did not call your gf and advise her of the fact that you were ‘going down’? Dangerous grounds you’re threading, squelch, squelch.
I am so sick of the ‘circus’ around this case.
Where is HaLeigh, when will she be returned to her loved ones?
Crystal said she went back to Ronald several times because of the kids, but he wouldn’t change. That is, most likley, when he took the car that Marie bought Crystal.
I am also so sick of the fussing and jealousy of everybody around this case. The attacks get so ugly. It is like people set out to ruin the other person. I am afraid, when all of this is over, some people are going to be under the bus for ever. It could be a rough rocky ride under that bus.
Re:Crystal not getting Haleigh to numerous
Drs.’ appointments – which was a factor which helped Ron get custody. I saw Crystal on NG with her lawyer KP. awhile ago. Kim P. explained when NG asked the above question. Kim said that Crystal couldn’t get Haleigh to
Drs. because “she (Crystal) had no driver’s license.” Didn’t make sense to me as in a town that small, you could almost walk to a Dr.’s office. Certainly, with the stack of relatives she has, someone would have taken her in their vehicle. I also read that Crystal stated in court that she was “just too tired to get out of bed to take Haleigh.” To be very honest, IMO, Crystal is not very interested in either of Ron’s children. If she wanted to be a part of their lives, she would have stayed nearby and probably could have seen and helped with these adorable children a lot more than she did in past years. Instead, she chose to have another baby with her stepbrother in a town 100 miles away.
Sorry, but I do not see much ambition or energy in anything involving Crystal. I am no
Ron fan either because of all the drugs and criminality in almost every family member of Halieghs on both sides. IMO, these children should be with someone outside the family who absolutely is clean, sober with decent morals and are able to love these children to make them a different, more reproductive life than either parent.
Jennalu:
I am not excusing either side, but I think there is alot more to the story than we know. I am seriosly worried about Jr. Ron’s violence and threats scare me.
Karen, agree with you. We don’t know much of the REAL stuff that has gone on. Ron’s temper also scares me. Apparently, I hope, DCF has taken all this into consideration upon investigating. Ron does seem to love the kids. If not, he would have put them in foster homes as he was receiving no support for them. There are thousands of dads who simply wouldn’t be bothered to take care of the children. To someone’s credit, maybe TN or GGS, the children appear to be well fed and clean. Haleigh has so many very cute outfits.
T
Ms. peridot,
Yes I watch Army Wives. Sometimes I get so mad at it, it’s unreal lol. Every week I say I’m never gonna watch it again. But guess what? I watch it every week. LOL.
I’m too the point in this case where I think I’m going to sit back and watch how things go. Of course I’ll put my opinions in on the blogs. But I think for now due to all the different directions we all have been going, it’s safer to just stand back for a bit.
But I still think they need to look closer into Crystal’s side, Especially Chad.
And if Tommy sold a car so quickly, They need to find that car and take a look at it too.
PAW, I agree, there is just so much going on my head is spinning.
PAW69 said,in October 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
me too! 100% on everything you said. lol
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i am sorry m2c i was trying to answer you and i posted this to the wrong thread.
hello m2c,
i don’t know these people personally at all.
i was not really try to say ron was a car thief.
i was more trying to make a point about the dr.s visits. that we don’t know all the facts and maybe she is not as callous a mother based on that fact alone. earlier when haleigh went missing many women seemed ready to judge her by a different standard than ronald. true, it is a ding ding ding. for, me it was a ding ding ding for both parents. someone should have made sure haleigh got to the doctor. JMO
just to make myself clear and not further the misunderstanding, i believe m.g. said there was a driving issue involved. so she bought crystal a car to help out the situation. because crystal did not have a driver’s license (and maybe she said crystal was still underage – to own a car) they could not put the title in crystal’s name. so marie bought the car and they put it in ron’s name, with the understanding it was going to be for crystal’s use. yes of course ron may have been contributing to the cost of the upkeep of the car. absolutely, i agree. i believe marie’s point was ron and crystal were still together for at least some of the missed appointments. if true, i believe as he had a car and driver’s license, maybe he could have driven them to the doctor’s so crystal could take haleigh there. maybe some are judging one parent for what both may have done. i wish this particular issue was not a consideration without hearing both sides.
to me it was a legal argument maybe with out all the facts. (when i said exaggerated issue – poor choice of words) i personally am not going to say crystal should have lost the children, based on ronald’s (or maybe it was his lawyer’s) argument. this is just one fact. i remembered marie saying there was more to the missed appointments, than was said in court.
there was no legal issue about ron keeping the car, that i know of. i was trying to add, not further confuse the arguments about what happened to haleigh. marie’s point about ron keeping the car, the way i heard it, was crystal again was without a car. again, ron had a car.
to me it was not that important in judging crystal’s callousness, such as would she deliberately harm haleigh, i don’t see it that way. and i really hope neither parent is involved. if crystal is involved, i pray it is because she loves haleigh and is trying to protect her. not my head, my gut says it just doesn’t feel like that is what happened. but i wish that is what happened or is happening. :S
thanks in advance for your patience. just trying to clarify what i said earlier 🙂
good night
DISGUSTED said,in October 17th, 2009 at 1:04 am
i missed you post, thanks for the response and information. i will check it out.
good night everyone.
I was thinking about the theory that has crossed so many minds that the child could have been taken away because of concerns for her safety and well-being. I think most people would say that could be understandable or even excusable. Even worthy of legal pardon. Then, I had this chilling thought: what if money changed hands. If it all came out, no one would get any sympathy, nor would they deserve it. In my opinion.
Another scenario where Misty would be the victim after all. God help us, what a mess.
Ms Peridot – I think I responded to your 9:01 earlier? On another article? Anyway, it’s okay, I’m the one who (not seriously) called Ron a car thief (in the context of what we were talking about). I appreciate your telling me the background around that car business -that’s what I meant – that there is always a lot more information/story behind a statement like Marie’s, “Ron took the car.” Same goes for things people have said about Crystal (missed doctor’s visits). I may mention something I read about one of them BUT I have NEVER taken sides or participated in the “who’s the better parent” contest and I won’t. Not at this point anyway.
My focus is to find out about everyone and everything in order to try to figure out what could have happened to Haleigh. In that process some good stuff is going to be said and some bad stuff is going to be said about everyone. If we go to war over that, or any negative comment about one side or the other then there’s no hope in finding Haleigh. No reason to blog either really (IMO). It would all add up to nothing but one-sided BS.
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