We will be running our regular Sunday program at 3pm central. Once again our focus will be on three cases. We will be looking at the two Florida cases Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony. There is news concerning both of these cases this week.
As was predicted on our program two weeks ago the Angel Of Death Row, Andrea Lyon has bowed out of the Caylee Anthony case. The official reasons for her resignation are a pile of BS, it is much more likely that this move is to ensure her ‘perfect’ record in death penalty cases. It will be interesting to see if Jose Baez uses this as a stalling tactic to extend out the various deadlines that Judge Perry has established.
Over on the Haleigh Cummings case there seem to be some edges beginning to fray. Tommy Croslin’s lawyer James Werter may have made a bit of a blunder on national TV. If you have not read about this, try Peter Hyatt’s take on the event.
Jan and I have spent much of this week exploring the really oddball missing persons case out of Pearl River, Louisiana. 26 year old Zachary Pittman literally disappeared into thin air on June/24 2009. We have spent the week attempting to talk with Pearl River officials, and that has proved to be a difficult task. A picture is beginning to emerge, and I have to say that I do not much care for what I am seeing.
The nation was shocked with the revelations of the huge drug issue in the area of Florida that Haleigh Cummings lived in. Well folks make sure that your seat backs and tray tables are in the upright and locked position! Pearl River, Louisiana seems to have the potential for being another Satsuma.
I do not think that Zachary Pittman was involved in the drug trade, there is no evidence whatsoever. He did have a rap sheet, but it does not reflect issues with drugs. However it is possible that the ‘drug card’ may be in play. We do know that two days before his disappearance he got into a fight with one Ricky Lavigne. Who, just happens to be the son of the towns mayor, James Lavigne.
Jan and I are scheduled to have a face to face chat with Zach’s mother Christy this afternoon. We have many questions, and hopefully we will have some updated information.
I can share this with you though. Our coverage of this case is having an effect. We received a tip earlier this week, and as I type, a handler with a cadaver dog is searching a small area. Also about an hour ago a new tip has emerged. It has been passed on to LE. It appears to have a level of credibility, but only time will tell.
Please keep the leads coming in! Many people are not comfortable talking to the police, particularly when they are in a small community. If you have a lead email either Jan jannyo@gmail.com or Simon at zzsimonb@gmail.com. We will be happy to forward the information.
To tune in, point your browser to www.blogtalkradio.com a couple of minutes before 3pm central in Sunday July/4, or use this direct link.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThanks Simon and Jan. Please keep us updated on the Pittman Case and if the tip panned out for his family. I have them all in my prayers and hopefully some answers will be given soon. Happy 4th of July weekend and hopefully Haleigh and Zach can brougth home to the families that love them.
Oops–typos–can be brought home–
hey Robin!!!!!!!!!!
if you are still here Robin,LoL Gonna go read this,not ignoring ya,lol
Hey CathyJoe..Happy 4th of July weekend.
Beautiful fireworks to you Robin!!!!! LoL
Thank You!
The 4th of July has come & gone,
But thoughts of it still linger,
For I held a firecracker in my hand,
Has anyone seen my finger!
LoL
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Werters comment makes more sense to me to mean he’s saying Jo is a crackhead! and is capable of anything!
jmo though!
“Now TC will certainly think his attorney is ratting him out”
“Felony Murder” comment,sheesh!
I don’t like that anyway but ofcourse the world refuses to listen to me Robin……….Murder is murder!
This thing,1st degree,2nd degree,Felony… It’s Bull imo!
I read the statement analysis too and I couldn’t get past the misspelling of Werter. Crazy huh? Lawyers always speak legalese so I don’t much credence in that statement at all. Did he ever (Peter) do an analysis of the Sheffield/Griffis side, especially Marie, since she has made some outrageous statements? I would really like to see any analysis of her interview with Geraldo when she mentions the Georgia or Alabama statement. JMO
Exactly right Robin,and the video with Sheppard Smith when he asked Crystal about the canal thing and she didn’t even remember what he meant it seemed to me,Then she say’s Haleigh was taken,simple answer sure but questionable when SS asked her how she knew,and she almost froze!
Then Mariestarts fidgeting with her hands,scratches her chin,very odd …….No VERY odd!jmo
The statement she made,Haleighs alright,she’s just crying for her mommy and daddy!
Somebody said she tried to set TN hair on fire at a vigil,I never saw it,have you?
I just thought thats crazy but I’d like to see the video,LoL For myself!
Frankly,IMO He has said a few things I don’t buy! PH?
I agree. All of these people are questionable in my opinion–Sheffields, Griffis, Cummings, and Croslins. They could keep any statement analysis expert in business for a long time. LOL
BRB Ota,phone
Robin, I asked Peter to do an analysis of Johnny Sheffield, tape I sent him, but to my knowledge he hasn’t done it.
I also would like it done on Marie and others fair is fair. Why leave them out.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:45 am
Somebody said she tried to set TN hair on fire at a vigil,I never saw it,have you?
I just thought thats crazy but I’d like to see the video,LoL For myself!
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what vigil? One of the earlier vigils I believe she had a lighter in her hand since she smokes..geeze someone has to make something more than what it is..
VQ, morning.
Cathyjo, can u direct me to the video of marie and crystal with shepard smith? This does sound rather odd…would like to have another look see.
Thats exactly what I meant Vaq,I’d have to see it!
Cricket–I agree with you. They have said some suspicious things in my opinion too. I have not seen so much of Johnny Sheffield but Marie have said some things off the charts.
I don’t believe it happened tho….jmo and I can’t remember who but it was a few months back and i searched the vigil vids and never saw it? jmo
sure,;et me find it,brb
Didn’t finish my thought..she was hugging TN around the neck, don’t remember if Teresa had the lighter or Crystal now that I think about it
afternoon cricket..
There are only two men that have ever offered to die for me. One was Jesus Christ, and the other was the american soldier. One died for my sins, the died for my freedom. Happy Independence day to all of you.
go to youtube,type inHaleigh Cummings Mother & Grandmother – CFLNewschat.com
especially watch from 3:20 mg is so obvious,jmo
thanks cj!
when cs says I got a call at 3:49 that she was missing and MG actions just speak out louder than words! jmo
Does anyone know where Lisa and Hank Sr. were living when Haleigh went missing? Were they living with Tommy and Lindsay? or did they move in right after Hank’s accident? I know he was in the hosp. that particular night. But was Lisa living with them?
robin said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:37 am I read the statement analysis too and I couldn’t get past the misspelling of Werter. Crazy huh? Lawyers always speak legalese so I don’t much credence in that statement at all. Did he ever (Peter) do an analysis of the Sheffield/Griffis side, especially Marie, since she has made some outrageous statements? I would really like to see any analysis of her interview with Geraldo when she mentions the Georgia or Alabama statement. JMO
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Right but maybe he wants us who are hillbillies to understand his language,like “werk” lol j/k
but I see what ya mean!
NativeTex,I think IIRC They lived with Tommy and Lisa or something,everything changes so much you can’t tell! or i can’t remember!
not Lisa,gr Linsey!
it’s still morning where I live VQ.
Thats a good question tho NativeTexan,I hadn’t thought of it but looks like if they lived with Tommy then they’d know more about that night,I dunno?
ya know,just by family talking or whatever! Not that they did anything wrong…….!!!
Hi Cricket,Happy 4th!
Thx Cathy, just wondering if by chance Lisa could have been babysitting all of the kids, tommy’s too and something bad happened at Tommy’s trailer. Misty called Ronald and wanted to go over to tommy’s at 8:30 and he said no she couldn’t. Wonder if she did and left the kids there and her and tommy and who knows who else went partying. Lisa could have been drinking/drugging herself with all 5 of those kids and the dog while Lindsy was at her nurse class. Just wondering if the other mystery person could be Lisa??? what do you think?
Native Texan said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Does anyone know where Lisa and Hank Sr. were living when Haleigh went missing? Were they living with Tommy and Lindsay? or did they move in right after Hank’s accident? I know he was in the hosp. that particular night. But was Lisa living with them?
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it was after the accident.I believe they were living over by the dock that was searched. I remember hearing/reading early on the Ron/Misty and the kids went to a barbeque over at their house a week before that happened.I am not sure if they moved in with Tommy or Timmy after the accident though.
Native Texan said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Thx Cathy, just wondering if by chance Lisa could have been babysitting all of the kids, tommy’s too and something bad happened at Tommy’s trailer. Misty called Ronald and wanted to go over to tommy’s at 8:30 and he said no she couldn’t. Wonder if she did and left the kids there and her and tommy and who knows who else went partying. Lisa could have been drinking/drugging herself with all 5 of those kids and the dog while Lindsy was at her nurse class. Just wondering if the other mystery person could be Lisa??? what do you think?
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Lisa was at the hospital that night because Hank had just had his surgery on his leg.
I think its very possible Native Tex!
I don’t think Misty did anything but she maybe didn’t want ron to know she went anyway!
Odd imo?? But my theory is still the same,LoL Bt then again I don’t just have one,one every 2 minutes maybe,LoL
Cricket said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 12:39 pm
it’s still morning where I live VQ.
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well good morning cricket 😀
Patty G finally got the video up of Werter on Jane’s show yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/3/F31YwvoFVCk
Another question! Why has Werter all of a sudden decided to represent Tommy on the Haleigh case? Didn’t he text AHarris and tell him and other media that he no longer represented TC on the Haleigh case and only the drug charges? Has he just had a change of mind and is he now legally allowed to represent him? and what about TC’s sentence that was supposed to be next week? Is that just blown off till the 17Th? and we hear about TC’s civil rights and his poor living conditions? Was or is he considering Haleigh’s rights and conditions when he took part and or has knowledge of what and where she is and is hiding behind an attorney and not coming out with the whole truth? I don’t think thats right on the part of the attorney either. Former law enforcement or not! He must be a real piece of work!
Happy 4th to you CathyJo and to everyone else.
Native,thats just it,we don’t know that he did anything to Haleigh or was even involved so as of now he’s there for drugs and they forved him out of his cell,and if it were my child in there,Oman!
They put him in gp with 2 people who think he ratted on Hardys son so that tells me,they are waiting to get him hurt or killed,jmo
The other stuff,lol someone can answer you,cause I don”t get the legalities! lol
Thank you too Vaquera! I just remembered reading the article titled “neighbors from hell” and seeing the pic of the old furniture and toys left for somebody to clean up. The article stated that and also said Hank Sr. and that the kids and everbody around there was very glad the last of the croslins moved. Said the chilren were all scared of them. I bet they moved in when Hank got out of the hosp. Probably had no way to pay their rent and had to get out.
Natice,because honestly if they DID do that to Tommy,they could have forced him to say he was involved or did it! jmo
Natice,because honestly if they DID do that to Tommy,they could have forced him to say he was involved or did it! jmo
Native’ I’m sorry!
You ok Cricket?
Native,they probably were and imo too,I’d say it has been peaceful since Rons in jail too,imo people were intimidated by him too!
They got both of em gone now,shewwwww
Oh also,IIRC Native,One of Mistys calls to WBG was from the hospital? Someone else will correct me if i am mistaken!
LoL Neighbors from hell! lol
Lord imagine your sunday morning paper has that title and when you look you realize it’s you,rofl omg
I know your theory Cathy and I agree with you every step of the way, just speculating a little outside the box I guess. I know Lisa and Hank hightailed it to Tennessee shortly thereafter. Maybe they were just running from the check forgery business, but I sure hope she doesn’t have anything to do with it too!
From hell is a pretty serious description,lol
CathyJo I just listened to WBG tape your right.
OH N/P Native,
I do it too,I think we all do,I could stick with one theory,but the way these people are is just………well theres no one word to describe it,I know my strongest theory but then someone elses actions make you wonder too? lol
NativeTexan–Werter is Tommy’s attorney of record for the drug charges, which is what Tommy is incarcerated for. Anytime they question or interrogate Tommy, no matter the topic, Werter is Tommy’s present attorney, and should have been notified either by Tommy or LE. Tommy has the right to refuse any interrogation by LE and his constitutional rights should have been upheld. I would hate that LE would jeopardize this case by trampling on someone’s basic civil rights. JMO
Native,I honestly do too..but I can’t pretend Rons defense mode didn’t kick in from day one!!!!
And Misty is supposed to protect him,If Misty did it to Haleigh,we would all have known it along time ago! jmo
right Cricket,so oh what a mess!
and now,if rights were violated just to get 3 druggies off the street,There goes Haleighs RIGHTS TOO! and her Justice!
I don’t condone the drugs,at all…I hate drugs now but Haleigh was way more important than 3 druggies out of millions,And now i wonder if it wasn’t done on purpose,these le behaviors on the case is unexplainable!
But i meant 3 who are accused of Haleighs too!
CathyJoe: ha ha, I am serious. You can google that article and see the junk sitting out there. Some old broken plastic recliner and other junk. Said it was the last of the croslins Hank Sr and Lisa and the neighbors were very glad, plus all the kids, cuz they were scared of them! I don’t blame them, I would be mighty standoffish as well. Anyhow, back to TC. I know we don’t know for sure if he did do anything, but since Tommy has already implicated himself by saying he knows Haleigh was dead in that MH and where she was put, I think he is definitely involved. Interesting on the Hardy son ratting. I forgot he shot his pumpkin teeth mouth off when he first got there. lol. When he smiles at Lindsey, all I can think of is a Halloween Jackolantern. I was curious as to how ol Ronnie boy was taking to him? any news on that one?
Exactly Robin,so it makes it hard to understand how they as officials didn’t take every single precaution,thats why i now question le! jmo
Carried the mattress outside,,didn’t take the door….it’s a mistake that should have been routine with these officials to make certain they did it right!
Right Native,js moved to ky,chelsea and timmy mass,jo went back to tenn,everybody split!
so how do you know whose lying!
They must have thought about what the good shepperd said,
Let’s get the flock out of here” lol
Robin I Know you are legally right and I am not at all skilled or educated in the legal field, but what about Haleigh’s civil rights and issues, If he knows and was a party to her demise, and is intentionally withholding information of a murder, then LE should be able to interrogate him. Aterall, didn’t he voluntarily talk to 3 or 4 LE investigators and take them to the dock? Doesn’t that mean anything? and can’t there be an attorney or something hired for Haleigh’s rights? or is that just nothing since there are no charges?
Another thing that stands out to me is,remember when Tommy was at the bus stop with pills that did not belong to him,passed out?????? and they got him for that…….why did they have to set up a sting to get him,Ron was caught plenty too and let go,Until Haleigh and all of a sudden,arrests! jmo
I think they should have been worried more about every child at that bus stop that day! jmo
Cathy, OMG, I just saw something about carrying out a mattress. Can you imagine anyone having to analyze any of those people’s mattress’s?? Definitely a job that I would have to pass on. (yuck) lol
I just read Peter’s blog (first time), and I must say I am wondering if he posted it before or after my blog of yesterday! These two cases really seem to hit home for me. One thing I’ve been wobbling back and forth about is the question of whether or not “my” sociopath (and revenge was the name of her game), was sexually abused as a child. I’ll agree, the Bible really does help. I think if enough good people are praying, the truth will come to light on these cases. It may not be on OUR preferred timetable, though. “With exactness grinds He all.” I do believe that.
Except it was Haleighs mattress,LoL
Cathyjo, I don’t really care whos drugs they were, did he get charged with possession of narcodics within 1000 ft of a school? if not, he should have been.
methinks, it was a school bus stop not a school.
Alethea,I assume you’re speaking of casey,sa?
I don’t know but i do know something somehere in life along with being born to SINdy has invaded her mind,body and souls!
I got upset yeterday b/c I read some letters and in this one Sindy writes to casey and says “get calcium and ” plenty of Sunshine”
for one,how do you do that in jail or prison, two…It reminded me of Caylee’s favorite song!
When she sang “You are my sunshine”! jmo
Then cindy tells her she knows she was framed,when i read that,the end! I quit!
I really don’t remember but i know it was at the bus stop MeThinks!
Anyway MeTinks,it was where you get your kids from at the bus stop? or drop them off….school,church,pool…kids are known to frequent bus stops,thats why he should have been charged hard!!
makes no difference how far from the school,lol
Haleigh Cummings Update: Tommy Croslin ArrestedPosted on November 5th, 2009 by Jan Barrett in All News, Society and Culture, crimeRead 7,873 times.This just in from TJ Hart – Jan Barrett
The brother of Misty Croslin, the last person to see a missing Satsuma girl alive, is once again behind the bars of the Putnam County jail.
Hank Thomas “Tommy” Croslin Jr. was booked in to the Putnam County jail Thursday morning at 11:40 and charged with misdemeanor narcotic equipment-possession or use and a felony drug charge for possession of a controlled substance without a prescription.
973.The Sky spoke with Lt. Johnny Greenwood to ask if Croslin’s arrest had anything to do with rumours of an ambulance call to 116 Tyler regarding a 42-year-old man frothing at the mouth and how this arrest might impact other cases pending against Croslin. Greenwood replied:
“I have spoken with our Communications Center and we have not had a rescue call at 116 Tyler Lane today. Regarding your question of Tommy Croslin’s bond on the previous arrest, that will be up to the judge or possibly the bail bondsman that bonded him out last time. If there was a condition in his bond paperwork concerning any future arrests, the bail bondsman could possibly move to have his bond revoked if he/she desires.”
Tommy Croslin was recently released on bond regarding the alleged theft of a gun from his blind neighbor. This is the same neighbor his mother, Lisa Croslin, is accused of stealing checks from and forging at least one of those checks for $400.
While awaiting bond on his gun theft charge, Tommy Croslin told investigators he didn’t think that his sister Misty Croslin was at home in the 10pm hour that February night then 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings was taken while she was being watched by Misty.
Misty Croslin was the babysitter for Haleigh Cummings and a Ronald Cumming Jr. before marrying the children’s’ father, Ronald Cummings Sr., shortly after was abducted from the mobile home they shared in Hermit’s Cove near Satsuma, FL.
Just weeks ago Misty and Ronald divorced and young Haleigh is still missing.
Haleigh is described as a 5 year old white female. She is approximately 3′0, 39 lbs, blonde hair & brown eyes. Unknown clothing description.
Haleigh was last seen at her residence in the Hermit’s Cove area of Putnam County on February 9, 2009 between the hours of 8-10pm.
A statewide Amber Alert has been issued. An additional $30,000 in rewards have been posted.
If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637).
TJ Hart
I don’t think much changes for tommy. He’s going to be sentenced and have a hearing on his motion. He will have his day in court then be shipped off to prison having lost everything. Imo
About 90%, wow.
Re: Tommy Croslin Arrested – AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
by Wrapitup on Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:43 pm
.The brother of the last person to seen Haleigh Cummings before the Putnam County kindergartner disappeared in February has been arrested on drug charges.
Hank Thomas Croslin, Jr., 23, was charged with possession of a controlled substance and drug paraphernalia after he was found slumped over in the front seat of a van near a school bus stop in Satsuma.
Putnam County investigators who responded to a report of a non-responsive person said they were told Croslin, whose sister Misty Croslin, 17, was the last person to see Haleigh, had not moved after dropping his son off at the bus.
He told deputies he had dropped his son off at 8 a.m. and taken a nap because he was sleepy, according to a police report.
Authorities said the arrest is unrelated to the disappearance of Haleigh, who remains missing. Her 6th birthday was in August.
Deputies found methadone, hydrocodone and other narcotics in the van during a search just before 9 a.m. Thursday.
Hank Croslin lives about a block from the intersection of Buffalo Bluff Road and Tyler Street in Satsuma where he was awakened by rescue personnel, according to a Putnam County Sheriff’s Office report.
He was charged and jailed in lieu of $1,500 bail.
In September, he was charged with grand theft of a .38 caliber handgun that was reported missing by a former neighbor. He was questioned then about Haleigh’s disappearance but authorities said it was unrelated to the theft arrest.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-05/story/brother_of_misty_croslin_arrested_on_drug_charges_in_putnam_county
Sounds to me like meth isn’t his problem. WTF?? He drops his child off at school and passes out in his vehicle? What kind of father does that? These kids need to be taken away and NOW. DCF needs to get involved and not sweep this under the carpet like they did with Ronnie boy.
he was passed out Native,shesh
Tommy and lisa stealing from the blind…what a pair.
1,500 dollars for methadone and other narcotics at a bus stop he drove to to drop his kids off and endangered how many others? jmo
oh guys,the comment on that last article on the bottom was not mine,lol just so yas know,jmo
methinks said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 1:38 pm Cathyjo, I don’t really care whos drugs they were, did he get charged with possession of narcodics within 1000 ft of a school? if not, he should have been.
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Agreed!!
brb
NativeTexan–I totally agree with you on Haleigh’s rights. Tommy put himself in this position, no doubt, with his lies. LE has had several run-ins with Tommy and they had to know he was a liar, so why believe anything he says without PROOF or EVIDENCE? Why would they turn around and do a 360 and base this whole case on the words of a reputed liar? I have a few questions myself. Why not SECURE that MH that morning–no one allowed to enter this alleged “crime scene” that means family and media. Fingerprints from every family member needed to be taken as well as the Croslins. If any Sheffields fingerprints had been found (remember no one in that family had been in that MH) then an intense interrogation should have ensued. Securing the crime scene and analyzing every inch of it should have been a number one priority, not weeks or months down the road. Critical forensic evidence has probably been lost with that one critical blunder and this NO rookie mistake–it was the SINGLE MOST BIGGEST MISTAKE in this case. I will to tell you that I do not believe Tommy, Misty, or Ron had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. Frankly I do not think they are smart enough to keep up with this charade for this long. Tommy and Misty had an agenda–their freedom–to give LE the story they want to hear. I believe both have been coerced and pressured by LE to come up with a story–any story–to put an end to this investigation. LE never believed Joe was guilty, so why believe Tommy’s RIVER VERSION? Why deem this a homocide when you have absolutely no proof or evidence on who is responsible? LE doesn’t even know where the actual crime scene or what vehicle transported Haleigh to her destination. LE took a chance–and lost–on Tommy’s vesion of events. LE has been grasping at straws since day one and they have come up empty. Don’t you think its time to look in another direction? JMO
Hm,They still have that article up with those pix of Lindsey! Thought they’d removed it!
OMG Robin,That has to be the very best post I have read in this entire case from day one,it really is but from you I would expect that but you typed it too well,LoL
You’re right Cathy! I read one article where he said he was taking a nap after dropping off his kids. Good God! at the bus stop for 2 and a half hours? The bus must come around 8 or 8:30 and it was 10:40 when they arrested him. Tells you he must have been out all night doing whatever he does best! and then tries to blame his father and his father denies it. Heck they got into a fight over drugs too, although it was said DVD’s or something. Either way, you don’t have children in a dirty old trashed out van with narcotics and then pass out. No sympathy out of TX for that loser!
CathyJo63 said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 1:43 pm Alethea,I assume you’re speaking of casey,sa?
I don’t know but i do know something somehere in life along with being born to SINdy has invaded her mind,body and souls!
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Yes, I was referring to the Casey case. I knew there was a reason I was not following all the details on that case. Sometimes you can just sense or pick up on things immediately without knowing a lot of details.
In my case, when I realized what “my” monster had been doing, I was at that moment looking into her eyes, and it was, literally, demonic. Like there was some THING in there. Everything just exploded. I went and found my father, and then he tells me about the day he saw this monster looking out through her eyes and he couldn’t even recognize her!
But I don’t think people are SUDDENLY invaded or taken over by evil. I think it is done over time and with their consent, and at some point there is a tipping point where there is absolutely no going back. There may be major landmarks along the road seen later where they still had a chance to turn around and not pursue their course.
If you live a lie, you become the lie. You identify with it, and you personify it. Like the tares and the wheat, you would eventually have nothing left and be gone with the tares. Nothing good left to save.
Some people go on and on with a person in their lives that they should not have, thinking they can “help” or “save” them. Sometimes they just don’t realize they should get them out of their lives, don’t realize what they are dealing with. On the other hand, some people are too ready to wash their hands of someone when they could be saved. So, it’s a real trick I guess to know the difference. Maybe that’s the real thing that is needed for our times, and what we should be bending our energies (and our prayers) toward. We don’t want people struck dead, but the story of Ananias and Sapphira is in the Bible for a reason. I think there is at least one example for everything in the Bible. And I have to believe everything is for a reason.
And now, I think I will leave this alone at least for a while. You all have a great Fourth of July!
Just my opinion.
AND WITH OTHER KIDS THERE,NOT JUST HIS,HE ENDANGERED ALOT THAT DAY AND GETS OUT ON 1,500??
oops sorry and Thank You Native!
Right Native,they didn’t have to set up a sting,they had him but let him go! jmo
they knew he put those kids in danger,Haleigh they guess he did? jmo
I just have a feeling they flubbed it all up for their own reasons,jmo still
Have we heard exaclty what evidence from the mh was gathered? What prints and all?
Excellent Robin, you are absolutely correct. I can fully understand LE’s frustration with this. I feel the same and know I shouldn’t. I just want to know who is responsible and have Haleigh either laid to rest properly or know that she is safe and sound. The anxiety is horrendous! I respect your theory and you might be absolutely correct in that none of the infamous 3 had anything to do with it. But I just feel like they are all out to outsmart the police and investigators by the old “they ain’t got no proof” statement. Drugheads all think they have the god given power to get away with everything. I personally do think they are involved and all made a pact to stick together and not reveal anything. They know they are going down, all of them, so why not just take that (drug convictions) instead of Murder and conspiracy. Those three little words ” I don’t know” go a long way. Stick with that and nobody can make you say anything else or I was somewhere else (werk, store) that is halfway verifiable and you got it made. This is how I think these people’s minds work. Expecially Tommy, that was his remark about the B&E, but again, Robin you might have it right! I don’t think the Sheffs/Griffs had a part in it. Just don’t think they could be bothered or provide any better for Haleigh. I think there may have still been hostile feelings towards Ronald, but don’t think they went into that MH at whatever time that night and removed Haleigh from her bed.
bbl guys gotta go to the store
No, jaba, LE has not released any information regarding evidence gathered. They also have not released if they finger printed all members of each family or not. And I would not expect them to release that information.
Also I thought the reason Ronbo had to sleep in a tent was because for over a month they did not release the MH, it was taped off and was a crime scene. The “tour” of the MH that TN did with the media was over a month after Haleigh went missing. We do not know what evidence LE collected while they had the MH sealed off as a crime scene.
We also do not know if LE has investigated the maternal side of the family, just because the media has not focused on them does not mean that LE has not been investigating them.
Jaba–I would like to know that myself (about the prints). If I understand correctly, people were trampling in and out of that MH. I don’t think it matters now, because the crime scene (or alleged crime scene) was never secured until days later (I don’t recall which date). The mistakes in this case has been overwhelming, and I do not pretend to be a detective. Their job is hard enough as it is. But hindsight is 20/20. But like the Sheffields have claimed over and over they have never been in that MH if their DNA or prints had been found they would have a lot to answer for as well as any SOs. Any unidentified prints could have been matched to any suspect at any given time in the investigation, or DNA for that matter (maybe on the light switch or door). Securing that crime scene is Forensics 101. We won’t know what they may or may not have found UNTIL SunShine Laws kick in. In this case that is looking farther and farther away. JMO
Thank you Jan for putting this up today…. Hello to all.. Happy Glorious Saturday….
let’s find HaLeigh! Or at least try to blog and figure out what we can do to help….
morning ladies…excellent bikini weather..
imo LE did not take this serious in the beginning, they were overwhelmed when the media spotlight came down. The backdoor was taken only after the media asked why it wasn’t..
For LE to use NG to try, convict and HANG misty is dispicable imho.
Morning Oj,
Hello’ Ilove,
Its hot here but beautiful too,lol
It’s hotter than Satan’s Anus here in North Cali!!
Misty + selling drugs = prison time
she made a DUMB decision….
as did Ronald and Hope….
she has hung herself, OJ in this matter
LadySadie–I totally agree with what you posted. In my honest opinion, LE didn’t mind letting the media castigate and convict the Croslins and Cummings side for months, and yet the Sheffields/Griffis walk away unscathed by the media scrutiny (except for NG who probably lost a lot of devoted followers for her treatment of CS). The bloggers (on many different forums) have did more investigating of the Sheffields/Griffis than LE or the media, because, I venture to say, that since Haleigh disappeared from RON’s MH and Misty was babysitting THEY HAD TO BE RESPONSIBlE (in LE,the media, and most of the general public’s minds). I do not know who is responsible but I do not think this case is as cut and dried as LE is making it. Yes, they might be the professionals, and yes, they might be privy to information we most definitely are not, but that doesn’t make them right. They let the media do what they obviously cannot–and that’s convict Misty, Tommy, and even Ron in the public’s mind–something LE obviously cannot do with the EVIDENCE. If this case has been solved (haven’t we heard that before) and they have evidence, then what is LE waiting for? They have not named Tommy or Misty as suspects or POIs, why not? They obviously think they are involved or they wouldn’t need to question them endlessly as well as subject them to LDTs. I hope LE has kept their options open, hence no one being charged as of this date. Maybe one day they might realize that the only thing that Tommy and Misty might be guilty of (besides the drug trafficking) is LYING. JMO
it bothers me so MUCH that there is no movement in this case. SOMEONE must know something….
I don’t know if these people aren’t smart enough to cut a deal or what the hold up is? SOMEONE: please come forward. How can you live with this for almost two years?
Hugs and prayers for little HaLeigh…
Hi jaba…
Hi CJ
Hey ils! 🙂
Native, robin, lady and ils…excellent posts.
I feel the same way on almost all of it.
I still think misty takes it to trial which will be a great watching experience to COMPARE what we DO KNOW against what we DON’T KNOW. Can’t wait.
jaba, when would the trial even be? any idea?
Robin,
You don’t have to pretend to be a detective…I think you already are. 🙂
Ils,
Well, if they don’t just let her die or be killed in jail, in pc, as has been stated here before, it should be in August. Mid August iirc. Could be a continuance or two which could push it to sep or oct. Hope not. I’m anxious to get this one going.
Who knows, she may plead before that.
and August is next month……
Jaba–I wish I was, but I am just an avid reader of true crime, as well as follow a lot of these cases on the internet. Detectives and police officers have my respect, but I can honestly say, I don’t believe they are always right or that all of them are good. Haleigh and her families deserve answers and I believe seventeen months is a long time to wait. But the wheels of justice do turn slowly…I just wish in this case they would pick up a little speed. LOL
I hope misty takes the stand so we can hear from her how she got caught up in all of this trafficking.
Was it entrapment or just your run of the mill sting, based on tips, used in police work everyday, with high success.
It will be interesting.
ok.. someone help me.. WHAT is felony murder???
I keep telling you Tommy is in trouble with his plea and his attorney might be in trouble with the bar
Robin,
I hear ya’.
Its hard for some not to get caught up in ‘feeling’ for the players here versus actual evidence, especially when it trickles out, if at all.
I respect LE and while they make mistakes, all the true haters of le, because of their background, would call 911 if they were in trouble or needed help. At that point, hate disappears as their lives could be saved. But, I digress…
If we just had minute by minute movements and calls of all we see as potentially involved, I think would clear up the picture quite a bit.
Who knows?
I do think ron was at werk the whole time but he knows something he aint tellin. Same with misty…imo.
The 911 call still has me wondering if it was staged and why.
Was it to cover something else, to cover the crime, or to just to throw le of the scent of a bigger issue.
Felony murder is you intend to committ a fellony, any felony, and you can be charged with any murder that occurs, any murder.
Tommy’s lawyer should never, never, have allowed him to plead guilty with no deal on the table.
ok.. off for a bit.. will bb
felony murder anyone?????
What’s the felony murder connection?
You cannot plead your client guilty if you have no deal, you don’t know what the prosecutor is going to reccomend, or how the judge is leaning
If the police are pissed at Tommy, and they are. Then the prosecutors are angry at Tommy; this will rub off and don’t be surprised if the judge is also angry at tommy.
I love the show– The legal definition is “an unlawful homocide that occurs in the commission or attempted commission of a felony” even where the perpetrator did not intend to cause death. (For example is a death that occurs during a bank robbery). I had to look up the definition to be correct. John–Look at Peter Hyatt’s link in the article to see the connection with felony murder.
I think Tommy’s lawyer really did him in here.
If he did it? WOW
I think its obvious that Misty was targeted with the UC operation in order to get her into jail so that they could try and find out info on HaLeigh , there is no way that they thought that she was a drug lord and that they were just cleaning up the streets, Ron ,Tommy, and Donna got themselves involved but even though LE states that the cases are completly seperate its hard to not believe that HaLeigh was the initial motive.
That being said was it illegal entrapment did they go beyond the law, maybe , maybe not . My ex did some UC cases and from what I saw in the arrest reports it seems in line with what they can do in order to arrest a drug dealer ,and even if it was entrapment it seems very hard to prove
personally I do disagree with how PCSD has handled this case and I don’t think locking any of them up for drugs is any where near “Justice” for HaLeigh jmo
jaba said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Have we heard exaclty what evidence from the mh was gathered? What prints and all?
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No forensics found outside of what would be there and even Marie said the same thing…but if it is Tommy his prints and DNA would be all over the place anyway. If it was someone that is ex LE they would know to wear gloves.
Ok I will but I am hardwired so drop me a paragraph.
You have to remember every law enforcement officer in the state dreams, creams, to be the one to solve the Haleigh Cummings case.
Tommy played with their emotions. He took them to the river. said he was present where haleigh was dead. Saw her thrown in the river.
Then he does what: Changes his mind; changes his story; Clams up.
Jeez, law enforcemt feels royally jerked around. They were so close to glory and misled
CathyJo63 said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:42 am Exactly right Robin,and the video with Sheppard Smith when he asked Crystal about the canal thing and she didn’t even remember what he meant it seemed to me,Then she say’s Haleigh was taken,simple answer sure but questionable when SS asked her how she knew,and she almost froze!
Then Mariestarts fidgeting with her hands,scratches her chin,very odd …….No VERY odd!jmo
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Good Morning Cathy Jo & everyone,
Yes, it was very odd. I also would like to see him look at the tape where she is being iv’ed and Chad is being taken away in the background and she asks if that worries her and she gives him the alibi.
Reading the transcripts for the JVM show, I’m not seeing the ‘big’ slip as it’s being called as a big slip. In context of the interview of the lawyer, the threats are charging with felony murder…lawyer states Tommy is not guilty of felony murder.
It’s not as if lawyer slipped, tossing in thoughtless words that might imply Tommy might be guilty just not of felony murder. While the lawyer did not seem like the best lawyer I’ve ever heard questioned/interviewed, it really does not seem like some stupid slip implying guilt of any murder. The comment was following the questioning.
Now if it has been stated as a question ‘is your client guilty of murder?’ and lawyer responded with ‘Tommy is not guilty of felony murder’ than it’d be a stupid slip and something to play up.
TC told LE what they wanted to hear. TC said that LE wants him to pin it on JO. TC pinned it on JO, but he made up an unbelievable story in order to do it. Now LE is ticked off. Hmmm, wonder why?
It seems to me LE has nothing, no clue as to what really happened to Haleigh that night and they are grasping and straws (TC being the straw) to try and get anything.
IMO they have no more today then they had when they got the 911 call.
Did I miss speculation about what felony Tommy might have committed? Theft of a firearm or helping to dipose: after the fact.
These statements were intrieging and not nearly so agregeous as his last TV appearance wherin he allowed Nancy Grace to crossexamine him and drag some incriminating statements out of him.
John W. Sharp–I understand completely what you said, but I want to go one step farther. Why would LE BELIEVE Tommy and base their case on this person considering he has LIED throughout? I think LE rolled the dice, went on record with the last river search to change the status of the case to a homocide on the words of a LIAR and a THIEF, and lost. Tommy has lost about everything that means anything to him–his freedom and his family–so any competent LE should question anything he has to say. Pressure and intimidation should not be the way to solve a case. Evidence should and Tommy has not given them one piece of solid evidence that he knows anything–besides him putting himself at the MH that night. LE’s job is to find the evidence, not Tommy’s. They took a gamble and now the case is at a stand still and still no answer to what happened to Haleigh. I almost feel sorry for Tommy,if he hadn’t put himself in this position in the first place. If he knows something he should tell it, but in my opinion, if he hasn’t cracked in 17 months with a conscience then he doesn’t know what happened or he is covering for himself. I tend to think he knows NOTHING.
Alright, Why Lie and Robin: Well hell yeah!
Now You’re talking. law enforcement did roll the dice with Tommy. And it does sound like Tommy may have told them what they wanted to hear.
I want to ask you both: what was James Werter’s part in all of this?
John, I am totally baffled by Werter. Tommy asked Lindsy to have his attorney go see him, he needed to tell. Werter goes but brings along a PI. Werter states that Tommy wanted him (Werter) and the PI to go see him. I did not hear Tommy ask for the PI in the phone call that was released.
Werter then goes nationally saying TC knows what happened that night. Places his client at the scene and pretty much participating. I’m sorry but I have to question his representation of TC.
Then we have the PI going to the media declaring he has solved the case. Which we have since found out is based on the meeting that TC had with Werter and the PI, and then with LE.
The entire thing wreaks of misrepresentation in my book.
James Werter, in my honest opinion, has played a big role in where Tommy is today. He sold out his client to LE by way of the Sheffield PI, Steve Brown. Why would ANY lawyer let his client talk to the PI to discuss the results of a LDT BEFORE LE? I mean is that even ethical? Then that massive, expensive river search ensued. Steve Brown got his plug into fame with this “I solved this crime” mantra. And Werter was going to ride the coattails all the way to the bank. I think his lawyer sold him out and now trying to make amends by going publicly with the threats and intimidations that Tommy has suffered at the hands of LE by his “River Version of LIES”. Werter knows his allegiance should have been with his client, Tommy. Maybe Werter now realizes that his client was only spinning the tales LE desperately wanted to believe. To me, they are all at fault for putting their trust in Tommy to tell the truth–and Werter just might feel the brunt of that with the Bar Association, if it ever goes that far. JMO
Well take me to the bar brother.
What part of “Don’t go on the Nancy Grace show.” is hard to undestand.
Here’s the painful part: It is because there are uneducated people who don’t undestand the law (like Tommy) that we need lawyers to help them, look out for them, guide them through.
Too bad LE wasn’t outside the mh when Haleigh went missing, but we didn’t have that luxury.
They have to start an investigation from step one. The 911 call is that step. Since then, lies have been told.
Some lawyers are better than others becasue they work harder at it and like any other profession, they get paid that way and their reps are better.
I don’t know if wereter sucks or not, but, if you can’t afford a johnny cochran, who’s to blame? The justice system?
All lawyers graduated and passed the bar, if your lawyer sucks and you have commited a crime, then that’s on you. You should have been a rich criminal. :).
Seriously, an indigent defendant gets a lawyer, and that lawyer can be fired or changed.
The convicted can appeal and get another lawyer that the taxpayer pays for.
Why do I jave to ‘pay’ a lawyer just becasue I have been fortunate to make good money. I don’t sit on my ass and not work and save for a rainy day. I don’t get a ‘freebie’ check from the govt at the first of every month. I get paid for work.
I think our system of justice has enough safeguards for the poor. Its not perfect but how would one change it to make it better?
All attorneys should have to adhere to the same high standards of representation regardless if they are working for a millionaire or a pauper.
There are remedies and relief than can be had through the system if anyone has been wronged.
I just hope that tommy does know what happened to Haleigh. I really do. I want her laid to rest somehow and the perp or perps punished, by the law in all respects.
On the river search:
Suppose tommy did say haleigh was thrown there by joe, who was in town. Wouldn’t we hammer le is they HADN’T searched there? In case tc was finally telling the truth?
Le doesn’t know what happened when you call 911. They have to go from there. Some crimes are easy to solve. This one isn’t. None of us have figured it out that we know of.
What we don’t know, sucks, big time. But we aren’t satsuma le, so we sit and wait and hope and pray, for resolution.
WhyLie said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm
John, I am totally baffled by Werter. Tommy asked Lindsy to have his attorney go see him, he needed to tell. Werter goes but brings along a PI. Werter states that Tommy wanted him (Werter) and the PI to go see him. I did not hear Tommy ask for the PI in the phone call that was released.
Werter then goes nationally saying TC knows what happened that night. Places his client at the scene and pretty much participating. I’m sorry but I have to question his representation of TC.
Then we have the PI going to the media declaring he has solved the case. Which we have since found out is based on the meeting that TC had with Werter and the PI, and then with LE.
The entire thing wreaks of misrepresentation in my book.
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All the while working for Crystal.
WhyLie–Well said (your 5:13 post).
Dearest Simon and Jan: Thank God for people like you. My heart goes out to Zach’s mum. I wish for a positive outcome that this boy (and no matter their age they are always are children)come home to his family but the reality is he most likely will never walk through the door again. So I hope for the next best thing, that his family will be able to lay him to rest with the love and respect he deserves. I dont know what we can do as a community to facilitate this but if a letter writing campaign to the attorney general imploring further investigation would help please let us know.
Werter may be doing what he thinks is best for his client. Maybe tc said he killed her and now werter wants to limit his exposure to murder and raise reasonable doubt as to who killed haleigh to save HIS client. Maybe le has something that weter knows that we don’t. I know I haven’t talked to tommy at all during the last 18 months so I don’t know what he’s told werter.
Jaba–I never faulted LE for the river search. I think it was their duty and obligation to search there. But I do fault them for changing the status of this case AFTER this last search. Now, everyone assumes this child is dead (no more searches) and with what evidence did they base this on (Haleigh being deceased/murdered)? I have yet to see anyone being charged with all this “alleged” evidence. They told a family with a “missing child” that their beautiful girl is dead and basically there is NO HOPE–and LE never has to prove this? All I ask is WHY? I think its cruel to take away every shred of hope on a gut feeling and NO EVIDENCE. I think LE should have to answer for that alone. JMO
Robin,
I feel ya’ 🙂
I certianly aren’t directing comments to you on this. I respect your thoughts very much.
I also see your point on the perhaps ‘giving up’ on one scenario or another. I was just trying to point out that I feel most of us want all things looked in case its true. Which is expensive when the liars misty and tommy have been blowing smoke, imo.
There isn’t a price tag on life but le has other crimes coming at them left and right from current ‘pillbillys’ and other scum that makes them prioritize time and funds.
If these pillheads had one ounce of compassion for what their addiction has casued their families, that would be start. I think they deny, in their minds, that it isn’t a big deal…until they are caught. Then its poor me. Imo anyway.
In this case, addiction to pills caused a murder of some sort.
I hope they all can live with that day after day in prison, if they had a hand or a contributing factor to that crime.
I know we have no evidence, but we are anonymous bloggers, le aint going to tell me what they have…damn it! Wish they would.
🙂
vaquera said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm jaba said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Have we heard exaclty what evidence from the mh was gathered? What prints and all?
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No forensics found outside of what would be there and even Marie said the same thing…but if it is Tommy his prints and DNA would be all over the place anyway. If it was someone that is ex LE they would know to wear gloves.
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Excellent post Vaquera! True too isn’t it that if someone had worn gloves there would likely be smudging of prior prints found on say the light switch, door handle etc…?
hmmm.
vaquera, dont forget worter also snitched on tommy to lindsay
As in smudging VS finding intact prints or even perhaps a wiping clean of all possible prints and such?
i think tommy’s lawyer thinks tommy is guilty and is working more for LE and the DA than he is for his client. JMO
IIRC at some point it seems to me that Misty had claimed that she was cleaning the MH that night. Is this correct?
Well if true, I do wonder what all it is that she claimed that she had actually cleaned?
There is a think called “privilege” at least here in Florida. That means that anything that a client says to his attorney is said in confidence.
If a client told their lawyer they had committed the crime then what kind of a lawyer would go to LE, a PI, the national media, and place his client at the scene? He77 even Bozo knows enough to deny, deny, deny.
Werter’s legal obligation is to TC, not us, not the media. He has an obligation, under the oath he took, to represent TC to the best of his ability. Placing your client at the scene of a crime does not do the client any favors, or help the client in any way.
Now, if LE had proven that TC was at the scene then I can see Werter doing damage control, giving some explanation as to why TC was there. But I certainly would not expect Werter to dish out a scenario that places TC not only at the scene but participating to some level in the actual crime.
TC and his lawyer have convinced me that TC was in some way involved with Haleigh’s murder. Although the Sheffield theory and the SO theory all have their merits and i believe they are possible…i cant buy into them. i cant take tommy out of the equation no matter how i twist or turn it. I dont know how anyone can. The most telling part is that Tommy and his lawyer have made it that way! To me that means that LE has evidence that ties TC firmly, though we are not privy to it. People trying to lie their way out of stuff admit only to what there is proof of and deny everything else. jmo
Tommy offered his own version of events even to his attorney IIRC Werter then agreed that he was hmmm how did he say it? Confident? in what his client had to say in his statement which yes placed Tommy at the scene but also painted Tommy as a victim imvho.
It seems to have backfired so how is this Werter’s fault exactly?
I don’t get it.
WhyLie i agree with you, and realize that the lawyers have obligations to their clints, but time and again this lawyer has shot tommy in the foot. This speaks to exactly what you said, LE has evidence on TC we do not know about. imo
on the tapes between Lindsay and Tommy, when she finally gets to the end of her rope with him it is due to something Tommy’s lawyer told her…so much for client “privilege”
Welp IIRC there were many times when Tommy wanted his Wife to speak to Lindsey and said so much during the taped phone visits. Did Tommy not renig his attny/client priveledge when he allowed Lindsey to speak to his attorney?
Exactly…admit to what they ‘have on you’ and deny anything else.
Sounds like normal criminal denial to me.
Werter does have a duty to privelege…we don’t know what tommy has agreed to let him say to limit tommys exposure and guilt in this crime. Imo.
Wish we knew all of what we’d like to know.
drove past the CHili’s in Palatka yesterday lol it looked extremely romantic 🙂
oops ~ wanted his wife Lindsey to speak to his attorney.
Mrsm,
…And you didn’t stop in an touch the table that the ‘teflon ron’ touched?
You should have had some chips and salsa and a margarita in the ‘chilis chapel’ at least.
🙂
LMAO i got excited cuz i saw a “Green Street” but remembered its “Green Lane” right?
If I remember correctly Lindsy has Tommy’s “power of attorney”. She needed it when the changed the deed on the MH out of her and Tommy’s name and into her and her grandfather’s name. It could also go for his legal representation, if so then Werter did nothing wrong in talking to Lindsy.
It is sad that mistys first and perhpas only proposal(unless she is found not guilty and gets a limo proposal) was at chilis. Nothing wrong with chilis. I like their food and drink, but, I’m not thinking its a place for the ‘romatic fairy tale princess’ proposal. Jmo
Hopefully misty gets a decent second chance at a normal life after all of this is over.
i sincerely hope so too jaba
i think if tommy disclosed something to his lawyer that his wife was unaware of and that would get him into hot water with said wife then regardless of whether it was technically allowed or not the lawyer shouldve kept his yap shut and let tommy break the news to his wife…jmho
just cant see how his lawyer has done tommy any favors all around, maybe my perspective is missing key info, i have no doubt that it is and LE knows things about tommy-boys involvement but taken at face value his lawyer has not seemed very helpful to tc in many cases
me said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm CathyJo63 said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:42 am Exactly right Robin,and the video with Sheppard Smith when he asked Crystal about the canal thing and she didn’t even remember what he meant it seemed to me,Then she say’s Haleigh was taken,simple answer sure but questionable when SS asked her how she knew,and she almost froze!
Then Mariestarts fidgeting with her hands,scratches her chin,very odd …….No VERY odd!jmo
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Good Morning Cathy Jo & everyone,
Yes, it was very odd. I also would like to see him look at the tape where she is being iv’ed and Chad is being taken away in the background and she asks if that worries her and she gives him the alibi.
You and me,Me,LoL
Thats another thing i don’t get,why did he need an alibi and another is why were they not investigated after the alibi was known to be false?
Lawyers talking to and involving family is normal. Lots of times the family is trying to HELP the defendant and PAYING the lawyer.
In tc’s case, I would bet that he’s let werter do what he needs to get tommy as far away from the ACTUAL DASTARDLY DEED because he knows what evidence le has that we don’t. Imo
One thing we need to remember is sober people commit murder,Because they did drugs doesn’t make them guilty of that!
I was an addict!
I never killed anybody! jmo
thank you John Sharp and Robin for your explanations… just something more for me to ponder….. hmmmmm….
even the griffis and sheffs did drugs,if we judge them by that alone! jmo
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS CASE IS:
WE CANT GET ALL THE INFO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
MrsM said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 6:44 pm just cant see how his lawyer has done tommy any favors all around, maybe my perspective is missing key info, i have no doubt that it is and LE knows things about tommy-boys involvement but taken at face value his lawyer has not seemed very helpful to tc in many cases
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Its a mess aint it?
Lawyers can not tell even family members certain things. If Casey has admitted to Bozo that she did indeed kill Caylee, do you think Bozo would go running to her family and give them that bit of info?
Disclosing confidences of clients to ANYBODY could cost an attorney his license to practice law.
I somehow doubt TC told Werter to go on National TV and tell the world that he helped toss a little girl into a river or that he witnessed the murder of a little girl and DID NOTHING to help her. That certainly wouldn’t do much for TC’s public image.
MrsM said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 6:44 pm just cant see how his lawyer has done tommy any favors all around, maybe my perspective is missing key info, i have no doubt that it is and LE knows things about tommy-boys involvement but taken at face value his lawyer has not seemed very helpful to tc in many cases
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I agree with your posts about Werter. Where I come from lawyers are basically gagged until the matter is complete, and I think that’s a good thing. I have never understood why he thought it a good idea to fill the press in on things like the fact Tommy was going to take a LDT etc. None of it helped Tommy, imo.
Re privilege, Tommy can waive client/legal privilege in relation to some matters or give a blanket waiver. However, I agree that in relation to “delicate matters”, he should specifically ask Tommy each time whether or not he wants him to disclose those things.
Addicts don’t have to murder to hurt others. Look at this group before Haleigh went missing. Not the best environments for their kids, imo.
The drug doin’ and dealin’ lifestyle cost these folks plenty.
The abuse of any substance that takes away any capacity to make sure family is taken care of is the price addicts and their families pay.
Sober folks suck at parenting too, no question.
Mind altering drugs make the ‘suck’ more possible and probable, imo, anyway.
There is no perfect formula. Ut o know a lot of families with great atmospheres around them.
I also know the ones who got on, and kept on a path that hurt their families and themselves. Some rise out of it and become great people. I bet we have some here.
Iloves,we spend alot of time pondering,lol
right Me,thats true!!!
Maybe Werter is ticked at TC after hearing TC talking to Lindsy about getting bonded out by her “friend”. TC didn’t seem to have a problem loosing Werter as an attorney if Lindsy’s “friend” would bond him out.
I wish we knew exactly what tommy and werter talked about. That would help make sense of the what and why of what werter is doing.
I think his client is guilty of more than he is charged with at this point and werter is trying to limit the next charge.
Oh, to be a fly on the wall with lyndsy and hank and lisa and tommys words flying around the room. It would tell us all we would need to know, imo.
MrsM said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm LMAO i got excited cuz i saw a “Green Street” but remembered its “Green Lane” right?
LMBO!
WhyLie,
He should be above that and I think he probably is. Criminal defence lawyers are used to all sorts of stuff like that. I think maybe some of the lawyers kid themselves that by going on NG etc they are somehow helping their clients.
Where I think Werter could get in some real deep doo doo for stating publicly that Tommy knows what happened, is if one day Tommy is on trial and denies he knows what happened. Werter has put himself in a position of being a potential witness, and no lawyer should do that.
If Werter is worried about what TC might be charged with then he should have kept his mouth shut and advised his client to do the same.
He’s so worried about charges that he has TC tell LE a story that few, if any, would/could believe. He allowed his client to place himself at the scene and as a participant of a crime much worse then what TC is facing now.
Maybe Werter should take the advice Fields keeps giving to Misty, Keep Your Mouth Shut.
me, I don’t know, Lawyers are just like doctors in my book, just because they hang up a shingle doesn’t mean they are worth a darn.
Perhaps tommy does know what happened and was there but didn’t participate?
I don’t see a problem with a lawyer saying his client didn’t do anything but witness a crime.
As to why he didn’t call the police after that incident , well, tommy needs to come up with a reason that reasonable people would believe.
I doubt JO was capable of driving a vehicle, carrying a body onto the boat ramp, tossing the body in the river, all while holding a knife on TC. Or was it a gun? Or was it both?
KP should give Werter lessons on how to make your client look good in the press.
We don’t have any of the tapes from the last few months, misty may have said something. Her attorney is playing right, ita.
Maybe tc wants the TRUTH of what happened out there so the perp gets punished. That would be noble of him.
I think the point is even if TC does know and told Werter, Werter should have kept the info to himself, not shared it with a PI that was working for CS, much less LE, and the media.
If TC did want to go to LE with the info then it should have been done confidentially, between LE, TC, and under Werter’s guidance.
TC and truth in the same sentence? I won’t even touch noble, kind of like TC being called a hero. If what he says is true, he did nothing to help an innocent child. That is far from noble or a hero in my book.
I don’t see joe doing it by himself either. But I just don’t know what could have happened. So many theories and possibilities.
WhyLie said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 7:19 pm me, I don’t know, Lawyers are just like doctors in my book, just because they hang up a shingle doesn’t mean they are worth a darn.
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ITA. Only a small portion of them are much good, imo.
excerpt from Nancy Grace: 5.14.10
GRACE: Straight out to James Werter, Tommy Croslin`s attorney. What more does your client say?
JAMES WERTER, ATTORNEY FOR TOMMY CROSLIN: On the tape or off the tape?
GRACE: Off.
WERTER: Off the tape? I can`t really say that. I mean, on the tape, what I gave you was just a redacted version. We took phone numbers out of it. But that`s the entire tape that you have. And if you notice, he did not go through what happened that night with Flora Hollars. He told — he pointed the fingers. He denied one version that Flora put to him.
Now, off, he told me that it did occur in the trailer and that he and Misty were not participants but were scared to death of Joe`s behavior. They grew up with this guy. They say even though he doesn`t have a criminal record, he did have a very violent past and they were afraid of him. And there was a weapon of intimidation there. And I don`t want to get into that because we`re still trying to make sure everybody is telling the truth this time, finally, and getting the story as it should be, OK, with the truth.
And if I give you too much, it`ll go over the air and then they can, you know, coordinate or collaborate their own stories together, even though they`re not in communications. So I am hesitant in giving you more.
GRACE: Well, Mr. Werter, basically, it sounds like you`re saying he told you more, but you can`t commit to it on air because his story might change.
WERTER: No. No. I did not say that. I want a pure interview of both of these. My understanding through Robert Fields is that their stories now, even though they haven`t been together to collaborate their stories, are pretty well matched up, you know, with a reasonable amount of tolerances that you would expect normal witnesses. They`re not mirror images and they`re not widely different. So that`s a normal — that`s what you look for in trial.
And you know this. If you get two people who are mirror image, it causes suspicion. If they`re too widely apart, then their credibility is shot there, too. So what the thing is, is to see what the pure story is. And if they have communications, third party, whatever, you know, it may taint the purity of their testimony…
GRACE: Well, isn`t it true…
WERTER: … such as it is right now.
GRACE: … that Tom Croslin, your client, told you that Overstreet got very irate. Things happened from there — I`m quoting. Overstreet went into the bedroom where Haleigh was, and Haleigh was no longer alive. Overstreet was in a rage.
WERTER: Yes. That`s correct. He went in there looking for this gun that they were going to go borrow. It was an automatic weapon. And out there, they do poach at night or shoot deer at night with the headlights and things of that nature. The gun was not there. Misty told him the gun was not there. That`s what set him off. And next thing I know…
jaba, Amen to that. I think JO was thrown under the bus by the Croslins from day one, but I don’t believe he has any involvement nor knows who what happened that night.
Thanks Ilove!
As i have said from the start,Jo isa scapegoat same as Misty,imo
Misty was there but she didn’t know a thing until she was told what to say! jmo
I wish I knew for SURE about all of this. I wish we all did. However, the facts are small compared to what we think.
I wish I knew first hand what tc and werter were doing, I’d feel better about commenting on whether that was a smart or dumb move to go on grace.
Maybe he’s trying to sway a potential jury because he knows tommy will be charged. I wish I was 100% sure, but as the saying goes, ‘wish in one hand and s”’ in the other and see which gets filled quicker’.
Maybe as we get closer to sentencing for tc and a plea from ron and/or misty, or a trial for both, we’ll see first hand evidence. I hope so, anyway, all this speculation is rough.
If the gun wasn’t there then what weapon did JO have that scared TC and MC so bad they couldn’t defend a little girl. Two people against one. TC looks to be bigger then JO, from the pics I have seen. Two people could not even attempt to jump in to help a child? And where was Jr while this “rage” was going on, that he would not have seen it, or woken up to it?
It’s all hogwash!
IMO, either TC took that baby out of the house while Misty was asleep/gone or he has lied about the entire thing to make LE happy and get a “get-outa-jail-free card”.
John W Sharp said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 5:06 pm Well take me to the bar brother.
What part of “Don’t go on the Nancy Grace show.” is hard to undestand.
Here’s the painful part: It is because there are uneducated people who don’t undestand the law (like Tommy) that we need lawyers to help them, look out for them, guide them through.
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I agree,easy to be taken advantage of,You’re a voice of reason! Very Very good post!
John,But ROFL@ Well take me to the bar brother.
If tommy’s scared of Jo,I’ll run a marathon,I could snap jo like a toofpick!
John,It’s more like Don’t get DisGraced on the Nancy show! JMO LOL
I use to watch her every single night and wish she’d been on my husbands case,Now,I guess i should Thank God she wasn’t! jmo
CathyJo63 said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 7:46 pm If tommy’s scared of Jo,I’ll run a marathon,I could snap jo like a toofpick!
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I bet you could cathy..
tommy did fight ron and Hank sr. too so hes not a wimp that way..
lOl Right OJ!
I know I could,he’s a little tiny feller! lol
He sure did,didn’t he,either that or too crazy to care OJ, jmo either one worked tho,lol
Tommy seems to be a scraper from all the rumors of fights.
Hey, CJ! Glad to see you this evening……
Sounds like the Mayor’s son down there in Pearl River needs a good, really good, alibi. IMO
just saw the replay of jvm…werner seems a tad disheveled to me..hes not good on tv
OJ do you have a link? I wasn’t able to watch it yet, just got to read the transcript.
OJ,My husband had a friend and omg,He was about the size of Jo,an angel sober but 100 ft tall and bullet proof with a beer in him,One night I told him..I tell ya what Brose…..I’ve put up with you for years and never had a problem but today,I’m going in to get my sweat pants on and then I ‘m coming back out here and we are gonna sling fists and Johnny (Husband)
(is going to sit right here even if you take me to the ground but one of us is about to get hurt)ROFL he got sweet real quick!
5 yrs later he was killed on the graveyard right in front of his mom who had called the cops on him!!! By the state police..not a month after he got out of prison for being a habitual offender basically!
I don’t recall Misty’s attorney ever making a statement or talking to the “bombshell” media.
Has he? It seems like Tommy’s attorney and Ron’s are the only ones that ever have anything to say.
IMO
LoL lUCY,MAYBE mARIE WILL GIVE HIM ONE,iT’S GOOD TO SEE YOU!
Sorry,I can’t see well,caps
It’s sure quiet about Misty!!!!
Oj,Not that he was askeert of me but most people like ron for instance don’t have it in them when you do finally stand up to them,lol
I’d be real curious to hear the tapes. Who could Misty and Tommy be talking to? The only 2 that it could be is Timmy & Chelsea. Hank Sr & Lisa didn’t have any money, or tho it sounded like that the last time we heard or seen anything from them and I can’t imagine that Lindsey is accepting Tommy’s calls.
Thats why imo ron used guns!
stilllucy, it would be real interesting to find out if Lindsy has been accepting Tommy’s calls and what was said if so.
FROM REALITY CHATTER: 4/25/10
James Werter stated that he wanted to go public and clear up misconceptions and speculation surrounding the Haleigh Cummings case. In the past week, the search for the missing Florida girl, has involved many rumors which caused the Putnam County, Florida sheriff to issues a statement denying many of them. James Werter would not say exactly how and if Tommy Croslin was involved, but he did acknowledge that Tommy Croslin took a lie detector test on April 8, 2010.
James Werter stated that he spoke with his client on April 10, 2010 and then on Monday morning, April 12, 2010, James Werter went with his client, Tommy Croslin to speak with investigators working the Haleigh Cummings’ case.
James Werter would not discuss whether or not Tommy Croslin passed the polygraph test, nor would he divulge the questions that were asked.
Misty Croslin’s family, lawyer for Tommy Croslin speak to media part 3
Tommy Croslin’s lawyer, James Werter spoke with CNN last night and discussed his client’s involvement in the Haleigh Cummings case. He was careful not to disclose any information that would jeopardize the information, but he did confirm various reports that have been circulating the media.
Tommy Croslin is the brother of Misty Croslin, who was the last person to see Haleigh Cummings’ alive. During the early part of Haleigh’s disappearance, a Florida Amber Alert was issued statewide. Last week, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy stated that he believes Haleigh Cummings was murdered.
James Werter confirmed that it was Tommy Croslin’s polygraph test, that he took on April 8, 2010 that led investigators to the St. Johns River where the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office conducted a search for Haleigh. James Werter also spoke about Tommy Croslin’s presence on the dock where he was speaking with FDLE and the Putnam County Sheriff’s officers.
James Werter would not expound upon the nature of their conversation or share what was discussed.
Misty Croslin’s grandmother, Flora (Flo) Hollars, has appeared on numerous media shows speaking about the case. Last night, James Werter denied that his client, Tommy Croslin, ever called Flo Hollars and discussed Haleigh Cummings’ case with her. He did say that Tommy called his grandmother and asked for her to make a phone call to his wife.
Should an arrest be made, all jail house phone calls will be pulled, and it will be proved whether or not Tommy Croslin called Flo Hollars and spoke about the Haleigh Cummings’ case with her.
Right Lucy but i do wonder if this divorce is a plan for another reason? IDK
Lisa and Hank can’t even visit them! IIRC
this is probly totally off topic from what y’all are discussing but i’ve been away watching old you-tube videos. Something struck me as very odd. Not sure what to make of it. When they had a vigil and it was televised (early on) and both Crystal and Ron had the chance to make a plea for and “talk to” Haleigh, Crystal repeatedly spoke for Ron in a kinda loving/unified way. At that point there seemed to be no suspicion of Ron in her AT ALL, or she was genuinely wanting to comfort her daughter via this plea. She said “We need her. Her daddy needs her” We love you baby! I love you. Your Daddy loves you.” makes me wonder what to make of it. It might almost be possessive, almost staking a claim or at least getting to exclude Misty. I just cant figure what to make of it….just makes me go hmmmmm? any thoughts?
and finally: from the Examiner.com
According to James Werter, his client, Tommy Croslin took a lie detector test on April 8, 2010. The results of that test have not been publicly released, but Werter said that they contacted authorities and that is what led to the search at the St. Johns River.
James Werter was asked by HLN’s Jane Velez-Mitchell if Tommy Croslin knew what happened to Haleigh Cummings in a weekend broadcast. Jane Velez Mitchell also mentioned Flora Hollars and how people are taking her stories seriously. Jane Velez said to James Werter, “Let me just say this. The reason why people are taking her seriously is that cops did go down to the river, and they did search for several days and spent huge amounts on divers. Why?”
James Werter answered, clarifying the source of the anonymous tip, “Based on — based on Tommy`s discussions with him, with the FDLE and Putnam County, on Monday night, April 11.”
Jane Velez-Mitchell then remarked upon what may be seen as the most revealing information gleaned from the media coverage of the Haleigh Cummings’ case, “In other words, Tommy knows something. But you`re saying he`s not responsible, but he knows what happened? “
James Werter replied, “Again, I will say, well, I will go with that, yes. I am quite comfortable in you saying that.”
Thank You Iloves!
Looks like they’d have pulled them by now tho,jmo
CathyJo, do you know if Timmy or Chelsea have any kind of record? I have been trying to check that out also, but have had no luck finding anything on either. I have only heard Timmy talking about his drunkeness and being buzzed.
Thats a really good point Mrsm,
It is kinda odd considering the rift!
Tn said that”Haleigh wanted her to be their mommy or something similar” Cold hearted to do to a mother,even if she wasn’t a good mother…..imo!
she very quickly started slinging mud tho…it was not much after that she did another interview talking about how ron had yelled at her for letting Haleigh wander off (found in water)
No i haven’t heard it if they did Native!!
her whole attitude about RON was completely different very quickly imo maybe she was more buzzed up when she waxed familial for her message to Haleigh..i dont kno
I just serached too and I don’t see anything either Native,sorry!!!!!
Right Mrsm,and he told Cobra he did not say that but we all heard it!
who told cobra he didnt say what???? u lost me
MrsM, My personal opinion is if MG had kept her nose, and mouth out of it, Crystal and Ron would have stayed unified in the effort to find Haleigh.
While many of the CS lovers deny it, the thing is Ron and Crystal have a love/hurt relationship. They have a bond that has been there since their youth and will probably remain the rest of their lives. You know the “first love” type thing.
They get angry at each other and then try to outdo each other in the hurt department BUT it was Marie that started all the dirt throwing from the start.
Mrs.M,
People do not give Crystal any credit for trying to convey the fact that she knows/knew as well as others that Ron absolutely loved his daughter. All anyone sees is the mudslinging, and if you really look at it, Crystal slang just a little of it, the rest falls on her “camp”. From what I remember, and I could be wrong, Crystal talked about him being abusive, and the drugs… yet, she still maintained that he loves his children… and that her children loved Misty!
Oh,LoL Ron told Cobra he did not say his d/b girl friend let her get stole” IIRC,it was some kinda phrase!
WhyLie, I believe that to be true… I think they would have been together for better/worse if their families had not gotten involved.
cobra: what did you mean when you said: b****, who the f*** did you let come in here
and steal my kid? that`s what i wanted to ask you about. if I had any questions for
you, you must have known she had somebody in there.
ron: i don`t think she had anything to do with it.
cobra: you don`t think she let anybody come in? well you said…
you said that on that tape i heard it!
ron: no. i just wanted to know… uh no, i said: b***** HOW THE F*** could you
let somebody come in my house?
cobra: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeahhhh
ron: what i wanna know is… (crosstalk)
cobra: when you left for work, you locked that f**** door, you had that
back door locked?
Ohhhhhhhhh Mrsm,i didn’t see what ya said at the end,dunno how i missed it,lol you meant cs? lol sorry
To me, it appeared that whenever Marie was with Crystal in interviews, Crystal began to turn on Ron. Maybe she was sobbering up or coming down as the days passed. In the beginning she was hovering over Ron. There was 1 picture that showed her kneeling down beside him rubbing his back as he was crying while holding the 8×10 photo of HaLeigh. As the controversies started, Crystal seemed to become more defiant with Ron, Misty, TN, the whole bunch down there. Things seemed to change right after the Geraldo fiasco.
Or maybe Crystal felt as tho she had more power and didn’t need to protect herself from Ron and his family/girlfriend/wife by playing nice.
The way she acted in the beginning struck me as odd. I would’ve been all over Misty if that was one of my daughters that was missing.
IMO
**Off Topic**
Anyone here been to Curves, or know someone that has?
The children may have loved misty but did misty really love the kids, or was she putting up with them for ron?
I really don’t know. Maybe she wanted her own, and that’s all. Its happened before in society.
Amen Lucy,thats so true!
and imvho that should have been TN way of thinking too Lucy….jmo
I’d have choked it out of her for the mere fact she had her last,and when you do nothing.how can we think they’re innocent in it? jmo
If my grandson just vanished,OMG somebodys gonna pay for it when they were resposible for him…jmo
stilllucy, CS was never all over Misty. I have to agree, I would have snatched her up, but CS did not do that. Instead she went about joining her mother in trying to make Ron look as bad as they possibly could. Why?
If it was about Haleigh being missing, CS should have been all over Misty. But she wasn’t, she was focused on making Ron look as bad as possible in the public eye.
The only reason I can think of for her doing that is to try and gain custody (which I doubt since she would not give up her drugs to be able to do that) or to gain public sympathy in order to get the donations rolling in. We know that a lot of money did go to CS including payment of her 12,000 back child support payment, so making Ron look like crap and making CS looking like a wronged mother, worked.
Ba, are u thinking of joining?
Thx Cathy, they just got out of Satsuma so fast it makes me wonder if they too don’t have something to hide. Living in Cape Cod Mass is a big difference than Putnam Co. We are talking The Kennedy’s and Martha’s Vineyard. I doubt there are very many trailer parks there. I know Chelsea is from that area, but I can’t help but wonder if their landlord has also catorgorized them as Tennents from hell. Last I knew, they were behind on their rent and had no reliable vehicles to drive. Their old clunker made it from Fla to Mass. and rolled over. I am sure junk vehicles are not permitted to just sit in the yard in Cape Cod either.
I know some don’t like to go there… but, do you guys remember the tale of Misty begging Crystal to believe her… that she had nothing to do with HaLeigh being missing? I think that was Misty’s way of dropping a dime on someone else!!!!!!!!!!!
Stilllucy, I would have been all over everyone, grannies and all!!!
Native,Also we heard Timmy say on the phone call that IIRC Chelsea had been cleared but he hadn’t and something that basically told us he was scared to come back,for the life of me I can’t quote it right now! No space for more input in this ole head! jmo
Jaba, yes!
Exactly Adams,all of them should have!
CathyJo, I don’t discriminate when it comes to my son! I truly go ballistic, I don’t just see red… I see colors that haven’t been invented yet!
WhyLie: In the beginning CS was in a daze, as to be expected. Just not sure if it was an induced daze or shock of what had happened. CS was supportive of Ron & his family at the start of the investigaion but, as more information came out, she backed up. I remember interviews where CS didn’t have much input but rather her mother, MG. Marie seemed to be the one that actually started the mud slinging and then CS followed. KP came in right after and things just exasperated from there. That’s just how I remember it. IMO
rofl,and have puffy veins you never knew you had Adams,LoL
True Lucy but also TN made the statement haleigh wanted Misty to be her mommy” so I’d fume myself then! ya know??
I also think MG runs cs too……..jmo Like a robot.
Actually I’d almost bet cs & mg is like casey with cindy!
What TN said can never be taken back and I’d have thought long and hard before I’d have ever said that! to or about anyone….
I remember that about Timmy as well. He was scared and wasn’t about to go back to Satsuma even for a visit. I remember Lisa saying that they might come down, but it was one excuse after another why they probably wouldn’t. Thanks again and have a safe and happy Weekend.
especially since she didn’t raise ron!!!
What if someone had said that to her!
WhyLie said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 8:09 pm OJ do you have a link? I wasn’t able to watch it yet, just got to read the transcript.
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just got back whylie..it was a replay on tv..I couldn’t find it either on utube
Lucy and LoL My goodness even MG dumped cs off at TN and said she just didn’t return,at age 14,sheeeeeeeeesh Neither of them has a right to dump on anybody elses mother???
Lucy and LoL My goodness even MG dumped cs off at TN and said she just didn’t return,at age 14,sheeeeeeeeesh Neither of them has a right to dump on anybody elses mother???
If I heard correctly MG also took cs out of school by saying she was gonna home school her!
CJ: I totally agree with all of your posts even the stutterers! LOL
LoL Lucy,thats hillbillyism,rofl
Ba,
Look, I’m sure you realize I know very little as my writings prove. 🙂
However, fitness is something I have spent a lot of time for many years learning. Learning the best ways for the end goal of being healthier and feeling better about the way I look.
Curves is very good for beginners. That’s doesn’t mean you can’t achieve a lot. You can.
When you get to medium or advanced stages of weight loss and/or fitness, I’d suggest a more focused gym.
Curves, imo, is great at not making you feel fat or ugly or anything like that. They don’t have mirrors or a need for make up in the work out areas. Its not a beauty contest at that point.
They want to get you in to exercise without feeling uncomfortable. Thank God for places like that. 🙂
Its a greta first step, or a first step ‘back’ to fitness.
Please be careful though…some aren’t as trained as good fitness people.
Don’t do. Exercises that hurt all the time. There are other ways to achieve fitness goals without a lot of pain. Pain is weakness leaving the body, but there is no need to take ‘bullet’ on this, if you know what I mean.
Slow starts and pushing comfortably is a fine line.
Fitness is exercise AND nutrition. Only a handful of people can stay slim and fit without proper planning on exercise AND nutrition. I focus on the AND becasue what you eat is vitaly important.
Think of it like this: you ingest different things…fat, protein, carbs, vitamins, blah, blah, blah. Protein builds muscle. Muscle burns fat. Carbs give you energy to workout but add weight if over consumed. Fat tastes good….but adds fat, obviously.
ANY program has to have both tailored to the SPECIFIC persons body type and make up. Both exercise and nutrition. There are not fat loss pills that work. YOU have to commit to the effort and lifestyle change it takes to look and feel like you want.
I can go on, and will at your request, all day as to what I feel helps in the areas of nutrition and fitness. Just ask…I don’t want to blow on this response more than you really wanted. 🙂
Curves can’t hurt you as long as you research what you want to accomplish first. Maybe curves is good for the firts 6 months, more or less. By then, if you know what to look for and feel and measure, you can move to different gyms and trainers where you WANT the mirrors. 🙂
Let me know if you have further questions, I’d be glad to answer them.
Ps…I do eat a lot of buttery popcorn… I’ve just learned how to enjoy it AND what it will take to work it off.
It is silly Lucy but i gotta express myself and thats how i do it,rofl
LoL Adams,I wish I had curves,I use to buy weight on from the drugstore,the first time I did they giggled b/c no one does and I knew it was true,when they handed it to me,It had 2 inches of dust on it,lol I hated it!
115 is perfect…or less
Thanks Jaba! I was considering Curves or Boot Camp style… not overweight, just want to lose a few in the mids-section and get healthier!
CathyJo, there was a time when I purchased Weight On, those days are no more!
Some think so OJ,I like a little meat on the bone! lol
OJ…. you must have radar… when it comes to female physique conversations!!
I’m on a seafood diet,See food I eat it,lol
when I was growing up,people would say,Girl.you got a tapeworm~LoL
Adams,have you fogotten OJ is a male,I rest my case,LoL All men have radar~
Yes, he is!!
Off topic,
gotta tell ya cause it reminded me~
A guy is in a department store and his wife gets away from him so he stops this beatiful woman walking past him and he asked her “Mam,would you please talk to me for just a few minutes,She looks at him weird and asked,Why?? He say’s……well my wife was with me and now i’ve lost her but everytime i speak to a beautiful woman she appears outta nowhere,rofl~
CathyJo, you should write a book!!
Huh? about what Adams,lol
Your anecdotes and jokes!!!
Oh,LoL TY Adams,i can’t see nothing anymore,lol but i kept looking at the joke to see if i’d typed it like it was one of my experiences,rofl
Thank You Adams! What would I say? rofl j/k but ty!!
I toldya before i wanted to be a comedian but everybody laughed at me!
Ba,
As long as YOU stay comitted to YOUR goal, you will rock!
I see it as a lifestyle conversion to that goal as most important.
Whatever you decide, you’ll will suceed if YOU really want to, no doubt.
Small changes to your lifestyle or the whole families is a great start. I’m sure your loved ones would be behind you 1000% if they know what you are trying to do.
It takes about a month of worktouts(say, 20 days out of 30) to build a regimine to help achieve the goal.
I’d hate to workout next to a beyonce(great curves!) or any of the ‘twilight kids’ without a heavy commitment but they are only human.
Some humans have natural genetics that make it easier to get a ‘hot’ look. I don’t. I have to work at it and figure I’m luke warm at best sometimes, but I don’t give in to quitting when it gets hard.
Beyonce has Curves that are stellar, but, she works at it, hard, and is genetically ‘hot’ imo. She will tell you how her diet and exercise keep her trim.
I wish I had a billion in the bank and just work out to look good every day. 🙂
CathyJo,
When you have life experience… you have plenty to say!
Beyonce… doesn’t have knees!
right Adams,LoL
Guess we better get back on topic… I don’t want anyone to come in here and spank me… unless it’s Prince {the singer}
yEA,TRUE aDAMS,WE ALL SHOULD WRITE ONE BASED ON THAT,lOl
rofl Adams……..you silly goose!!
sorry caps,lol
Coolio, ba. :). I agree.
Oh yeah… the shoes I just ordered would inspire some serious envy from Prince! HeeeHee
I have been looking at some of caseys stuff,
weird those people are!
In Ronald’s statement he stated that three people Hank Croslin Jr, Sr and Lisa Croslin showed up at his grandma’s house after they were told not to come there by his wife Misty Cummings. He said that Hank Jr and Sr got out of the van and approached in an “aggressive” manner. He said that he asked Hank Jr to get out of his face and he then came closer. He thought he was going to hit him so he pushed him out of the way. He said that Hank Jr then hit him after Ronald pushed him and the physical altercation began. He said that Hank Sr then entered the fight and held him while Hank Jr hit him. Ronald completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident and also signed charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr for battery.
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I had never noticed this before,It says Hank held ron and let Tommy hit him!
who really knows tho!
Makes no difference I guess but just hadn’t seen it!
I vaguely remember something about him being held. I can’t really see Hank “Magic Man” Sr. doing that. It just doesn’t seem like him at all!
right,thats exactly how i would figure it!
also ron didn’t want to file charges on them until they did him~ which really could be b/c they’re Mistys family too………who knows!
That article also said that the deputy knew ron was known to carry a gun but none were found on him,I guarantee he didn’t have it,imo if he had it he’d be in jail for murdering them right now no doubt! jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 10:28 pm
In Ronald’s statement he stated that three people Hank Croslin Jr, Sr and Lisa Croslin showed up at his grandma’s house after they were told not to come there by his wife Misty Cummings. He said that Hank Jr and Sr got out of the van and approached in an “aggressive” manner. He said that he asked Hank Jr to get out of his face and he then came closer. He thought he was going to hit him so he pushed him out of the way. He said that Hank Jr then hit him after Ronald pushed him and the physical altercation began. He said that Hank Sr then entered the fight and held him while Hank Jr hit him. Ronald completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident and also signed charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr for battery.
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I had never noticed this before,It says Hank held ron and let Tommy hit him!
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They are lucky Ron just didn’t shoot them
CathyJo63 said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 10:34 pm
right,thats exactly how i would figure it!
also ron didn’t want to file charges on them until they did him~ which really could be b/c they’re Mistys family too………who knows!
That article also said that the deputy knew ron was known to carry a gun but none were found on him,I guarantee he didn’t have it,imo if he had it he’d be in jail for murdering them right now no doubt! jmo
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Florida is a Castle Doctrine state with no retreat laws, he had every right to shoot them
The Florida “Castle Doctrine” law basically does three things:
One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.
Two: It removes the “duty to retreat” if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]
Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.
It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.
In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to instead focus on protecting victims.
http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm
Ron would have had plenty of time to stash the gun anyways! Wish we really knew why they went over there. M said because of meds. Are these the same ones she says Ron took?
But IMO I do think that Misty may have called them,but ofcourse Misty isn’t going to say that too ron,she’s too scared too!!!!
No way she’d have told ron she asked them too? jmo
right Adams but I doubt he had it on him when they pulled up maybe??
prolly in the house or something,he apparently didn’t know they were coming,jmo
I’m not sure but IIRC he was using GS morphine! IDK
IMO Misty cal;led them? not certain,lol but no way she’d admitted it~
Yes, I too believe Misty called them. I think she is very capable of playing both sides against the middle!
why would she,so ron would beat her Arse when they left? I don’t think so…..just mo still!
when my daughter had problems,she’d call!LOL Even if it was a tiny spat,younger girls do but then again some older ones do too,lol
I think that perhaps earlier she may have been trying to leave him for whatever reason. Then she and Ron patch things up!
right,exactly Adams! They’d no doubt been fighting,and who knows that he hadn’t just hit her and she called,could be why she told them she got hit in the face by getting in between them?? jmo
Maybe they asked her if they noticed it!
Upon speaking with Misty she stated that she had talked to her brother on the telephone. She said that she asked him why he had been calling her residence all day. She said that he asked her if he could come over and she said no because it was too late. She said that he then made a big ordeal about not being able to see her and said he was coming over anyway. She said that when he arrived at the residence, he began a verbal altercation with Ronald. She then said that Hank Jr came at Ronald and a physical altercation began. She said that Ronald went into the residence as instructed by his grandmother. When Hank did not leave the residence Ronald came back out and another physical altercation began. Misty said that she was trying to break up the fight and got hit in the face two times by Hank Jr and her dad Hank Sr because she was in the middle of the fight. She said that they fought for a little while longer and then her brother and mom and dad left. Misty completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident.
See,its pretty obvious that she was scared of ron because she swore a statement on her own family!
Daughters don’t do that for no reason! but then again to be fair maybe she just loved him enough? IDK
JMO But I do think he was a walking time bomb!
Yeah no doubt there was some fear in that relationship. Just wish the truth about Haleigh would come out!
She said that he then made a big ordeal about not being able to see her and said he was coming over anyway
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Why would he make a big deal of not seeing her?
odd! Unless ofcourse’she told him on the phone ron hit her!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Yes, I too believe Misty called them. I think she is very capable of playing both sides against the middle!
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but how did she call them? I don’t think none of them had working cell phones and that is why they went to the Kangaroo to call the cops.
That’s a long fight in my book. Street fights don’t last long, usually.
She says she was hit by her family members (hank sr and jr) to cover for ron, imo. I wasn’t there so I can’t be sure. But, an accidental hit from her family sounds better than a ‘ron-smack’ which I think he was more than capapble and comfortable doing. Jmo, again, I wasn’t there.
In order to hold any weight in Mr.Hyatt’s opinion of Tommy Croslin’s Lawyer I need the whole picture what JVM asked him. Is there something she asked him that lead to that answer making his statement logical or was it just random. Tommy not responsible because he was afraid of the terribly frightning obviously highly connected under weight “Joe OverStreet” Personally I’m glad that is his story because no Jury in their right state of mind is going to believe that crock of nonsense.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Ron would have had plenty of time to stash the gun anyways! Wish we really knew why they went over there. M said because of meds. Are these the same ones she says Ron took?
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Why would he need to stash guns away? He had his CHL and legally there was no reason to stash them away.
hmmmm,also ya know…when you think about it…..that happened at AS house,maybe thats why they were defending Misty too or part of it,afraid she’d have him arrested for dv?? hmmmm
CathyJo, I will be back… puter is punking out on me.
dcf wouldn’t have liked that? ya know!
k Adams!!!!
NATIVE TEXAN,I didn’t see if anyone ans you about Timmy having a criminal record.I did see some where that Timmy had been in prison before(drugs I think)??
he could have called her from the blind neighbors house? imo tho either way i think they were asked to come! he may have called her!
Hiya Granma5,how iz you? lol
Maybe they called from someones house… maybe they had use of a cell earlier!
Just cause you have a gun and permit to carry it, doesn’t mean you have a right to pull it out or threaten someone with it!
Most people who have guns are NOT gonna brandish them in front of cop… don’t think he wanted to commit suicide by cop!
I got a wizard in my puter freezing it up!
I think we did Grandma5,but i just didn’t know the answer,lol
been there,done that,bought the mug and the mousepad Adams! LoL
Very true Adams!
DustyRose said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:02 pm In order to hold any weight in Mr.Hyatt’s opinion of Tommy Croslin’s Lawyer I need the whole picture what JVM asked him. Is there something she asked him that lead to that answer making his statement logical or was it just random. Tommy not responsible because he was afraid of the terribly frightning obviously highly connected under weight “Joe OverStreet” Personally I’m glad that is his story because no Jury in their right state of mind is going to believe that crock of nonsense.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
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Dusty,I have no idea,
I think OJ could tell ya,he watched it i believe and Me also IIRC Dusty!
Not me myself,the blogger nic Me,lol
you’re correct too Dusty imo that he can’t be afraid of Jo,He wasn’t in jail when tommy was dealing drugs and moreso,his family was home without protection,jmo
and then he says from jail he’s worried,he didn’t want his kids harmed or something similar! jmo
They said that Misty called them to come get her. They had no phone.
Misty said when she talked to TC on the phone she asked him why HE had been calling her house all day.
They then show up at AS’s after being told not to come over. Ron gave his statement at the station AFTER he and Misty had been separated. Both their stories were pretty much the same, as was AS’s story.
TC, Hank, and Lisa went over there uninvited late at night and started a fight. Ron had every right to kick their butts. I certainly would have had it been at my house.
Hank held Ron so TC could hit him and yet TC is the one that had to go for treatment at the hospital. I think TC underestimated Ron, two on one and TC still got a butt whipping. No wonder he is scared to be in Putnam county jail.
I don’t believe Hank did that for a second especially on their property,tommy used neighbors’ phoness? jmo
Tommy said Misty called HIM. How could Misty call him at the neighbors?
why would they go there w/o being asked,that time of night too? They didn’t get along so i dunno why they’d go to AS without an invitation! jmo Misty imo didn’t want ron to know she’d called,thats just logical.
How did Misty call them?
They went to AS’s to get pills from Misty. They do their prowling at night. They went to the blind man’s house at 3 in the morning. That is what they do at night.
well my goodness,she was a neighbor of the same neighbor,more or less,why would she not call the neighbor and say go tell my bro to come get me,or say……get him to call me,something,Theres no way they’d have went over there for no reason! jmo
A neighbor of the same neighbor? You lost me.
TC and Hank had a reason, they needed pills.
I dunno,just my opinion…but i don’t buy it!
at the mobile home,it wasn’t far from tommys place?? but they’d left to AS at that time and were not in the mh,but it doesn’t mean Misty forgot the neighbor!
and obviously Misty had a reason to call,ofcourse she’s not gonna tell ron,well yea i called them to come get me? jmo
The blind man’s MH? Miles away. TC, Hank, and Lisa were living on Tyler st. They did not have phones, or at least no phone service. There is no way Misty called them all day to come get her and they waited until late at night to do it.
That makes absolutely no sense.
however,thats just imo…not anybody else’s..mine only!
she said tommy called her all day!
so,one of those times she could have said,come get me! but she did not want ron to know that! jmo
Sorry,but it makes alot of sense to me…thats jmo!
No she said TC called her house all day. Ron and Misty were not home all day that is why TC could not talk to Misty until that night, after Ron and Misty got home.
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well,IDK Then!
But i don’t think they went w/o an invitation but thats imo only!
Ronald’s statement he stated that three people Hank Croslin Jr, Sr and Lisa Croslin showed up at his grandma’s house after they were told not to come there by his wife Misty Cummings.
Well they went to a blind man’s house at 3 in the morning without an invitation, and TC sure seems to go in lots of other people’s houses without invitations, so I personally don’t think the Croslins care much about the formalities of social etiquette.
Oh,Well have fun Grandma5!!!!!!
I would never think that! lol
well,Maybe they did,I am not here too argue that,I was merely stating moo!
CJ, not arguing, discussing. I believe what Misty said about the event and you believe what TC said about the event.
right,so i can’t argue things i really don’t know!
you said I made no sense,then i tried to explain moo again!
then what else can i say if thats my opinion,I don’t know none of the truth about it,just what I think about it??
IF we had the TRUTH out of all of them we’d know where Haleigh is, good or bad.
The Croslin clan is no good in the way they handle personal relationships. No good at all. Neither is the cummings clan or the shef/grif side.
I guess to be fair, I should say they don’t live like I would but that’s pretty muich irrelevant at this point. Less than ‘perfect’ people raise terrific families all the time. These folks didn’t and look at the cost. Ouch.
There is no way Misty called them all day to come get her and they waited until late at night to do it.
That makes absolutely no sense.
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What else could i say to you!
Yes Misty did call all day?????
which I cannot do!because I have no proof of that!
We have PROOF of very little in this case. If we go by what ‘they’ tell police , then we’ll be stuck in the mud all day long.
No not saying YOU made no sense, saying what TC said makes no sense. There was no way Misty could call THEM all day because they had no phone. Makes more sense to what Misty said, that they called HER house all day because they could go to a pay phone and call her.
right,ok! I see!
I wouldn’t really consider it much at all if tommy said it nor misty because imo she is scared of ron but due to the nature of the situation is how i get my theory of it,imoo
Either way WhyLie,I doubt it too.unless they had a piggy bank full of quarters and somehow i seriously doubt it!
CJ, maybe that is why TC stole the jar of change, so he can use payphones. LOL.
omg,you’re are probably dead on,he did need his pills,lol
I’d bet the farm misty was scared of ron. At the height of their drug doin’ he outweighed her by at least 6 pounds… 🙂
Seriously, she is a 16-18 year old with no future SHE can see other than ron and his crap-ass lifestyle of gettin high and acting tuf. What a douche bag he is, wow.
I know she feels different today, imo. I bet she wishes she could have a do-over but she can’t.
Her parents and brother may have tried to get her out of it but she wasn’t going to listen and I think hank and lisa resigned themselves to that and went about getting their ‘pills on’ so to speak.
Its a shame but it is what it is. Dysfunction at its core.
Misty could see no future long before she met Ron. Not like her life got topsy turvied once she met Ron. Her life was in shambles long before Ron came into it.
Misty just never had a chance to have a good future WhyLie! imo
amen!
My impression from the photos of her and the ex, is that she looked far more healthier then, before Ronnie.
CJ, I agree, but that happened long before Ron came into her life.
When Ron met Misty, he had 2 beautiful children, a decent place to live, a good job. He met Misty and look what he has lost, his beautiful daughter is missing, his son is back with his mother, he lost his home, his job, and is sitting in jail. Somehow I think Ron got the short end of the stick in that relationship.
DV has nothing to do with size!
and how can they get her out of it whylie when they raised her in it,hank and lisa were not good parents,they used when she and tommy was growing up!
BA, I think that was before Amber and Nay Nay. She was pretty thin in the pictures of her at Ambers, pre-Ron.
Misty’s own father said she was out of control running with Nay Nay and Amber and he tried to get her to stay away from them.
exactly my point too WhyLie! It sure did! and if Hank and Lisa had been good parents then.she would have never even met ron! which I am certain they regret now more than anything!
No doubt and where do we place blame? Parents? Her? Ron? Does it even matter?
She ‘slid’ into this lifestyle no doubt. I’m sure she didn’t come out of the womb thinking all there is in the world is crapola. I’m sure h and l didn’t want their kids to go through crap, but it happened and now they are all in a world of hurt over it.
Hell, her mom and dad can’t even leave one county to go to another.
CJ, exactly. What Misty is is because of her parents not because of Ron.
Ron knew just what he was getting, he likes them young, and I’m sure there’s a reason for that!
She was not thin in those photos with Billy, she actually looked pretty and very healthy.
Ron destroyed her basically,when your parents are druggies and alcoholic basically you never have a happy home,then she meets an older man,she’s a teenager..he has a home for her ya know? She was probably in awe of him!
truer words were never spoken whylie!
It sure is!
Of course the blame is on her parents, to a certain point. There comes a time when we all know what is right and what is wrong, even if coming from a dysfunctional family. You still have the ability to make choices.
right Adams,he saw a girl whose life was shambled,and no doubt knew no one cared about her basically and he went after her…imo
It’s not like Ron is the first man that ever gave Misty a home. Misty was already living with a guy, she had left home at 14/15, moved up north, in with a guy, left that guy and came back to Florida, then met Ron. Not like Ron corrupted Misty, she was already that way and had been for years. The fault with what Misty is does not lie with Ron, it lies with the parents that raised her, or didn’t raise her, actually.
Mistys is a tragic and awful situation but she has to pay in accordance to florida law for what she’s done. Its a shame, we don’t need to add to the number of prisoners but we can’t let criminal acitivity, no matter the situational circumstances, go without punishment of some kind.
She may have been unlucky to be in the state of florida when the s@+# went down.
We all can go round and round and back and forth on the fault train. Point is she was a teen and that is what he got. He chose to bring her into his children’s lives and home! So basically if she was so screwed up before him… he is just as screwed up for knowingly putting his children’s care in the hands of a misfit! and you gotta wonder WHY!!
right Adams,but i am almost certain she never felt cared about,and probably never even punished for wrong because they probably let her run wild because they were busy getting high all the time,then ron saw this in her,took her in,knew she’d be easy to control and she maybe even thought he loved her so much because he did control her!she was just a child then!
And if she’s rolling out of state with some guy at 14-15, I think she was sexually active.
And if so, then ron is a rapist by statute, imo, and teen age girls were his targets. “15 will get you 20” says the ‘teflon ron’ in published reports of what he said, second hand.
No doubt CathyJo, she wouldn’t be human if she didn’t feel the sting of that kind of upbringing!
No whyLie,I am saying,abusive men look for women who they more or less know fits what they want!
an abusive man will look for women with low self esteem b/c they know she’ll take whatever!!!!!
right WhyLie,she did and if her parents cared she would never have met him either! but to me that says,she was looking for somebody,anybody to love her!!!
and give her a home,ya know! jmo
Teenage girls were his target? I believe Ron’s other girlfriends, CS and AB were within appropriate age frames for Ron to have been with. CS is a year and a half younger then Ron and Amber was 18.
Exactly Adams!!!!
Misty’s sexuality is not important to me, when it comes to a grown man inviting a teen into his bed. She could have been a virgin, or the most loosest box on the block… he knew what HE was doing!
My point Adams is he knew she was screwed up! Thats why he went after her!
Some people go to jail for what he did! a child!
misty is a young lady getting thru life as best she is able too..not everyone is born with the golden spoon..all the families have said the kids loved her..why?.. because she was good to them and all knew it.
The guy at the bus stop said ron like Misty at age 15 IIRC and he told ron,15 will get you 20!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:01 am Misty’s sexuality is not important to me, when it comes to a grown man inviting a teen into his bed. She could have been a virgin, or the most loosest box on the block… he knew what HE was doing!
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OMG..I don’t talk like that in the locker room..
figuratively speaking of course
OMG I have a pic of Misty holding a newborn and just the way she holds it ,like it’s glass and she has the prettiest expression you ever saw,It breaks my heart! Because she was raised hard and all and her 1st wedding was this one and if God forbid she died tomorrow she will have never had a good day really!
In my day… in high school, it was deemed acceptable to date a guy a couple of years older, girl 16 the guy 18… and the maturity level was a factor!
and that just sux!
OJ… Yes, I know… but I tried to keep it clean out of respect for others. ;-(
CJ that was just another of Jerry S’s lies. Ron and Misty met through Amber, they didn’t meet at the bus stop.
CathyJo, I think I know the photo you speak of. The one with the baby wrapped in a satin blanket?
god yes Adams,omg
By her expression,I’d bet a million bux thats the biggest smile she has ever had!
It may be whylie,but anyway she was young! All i am saying!
misty babysat for ron and crystal..
nay nay said they were friends since age 14 so misty been in town for awhile
WhyLie said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:32 pm
They said that Misty called them to come get her. They had no phone.
Misty said when she talked to TC on the phone she asked him why HE had been calling her house all day.
They then show up at AS’s after being told not to come over. Ron gave his statement at the station AFTER he and Misty had been separated. Both their stories were pretty much the same, as was AS’s story.
TC, Hank, and Lisa went over there uninvited late at night and started a fight. Ron had every right to kick their butts. I certainly would have had it been at my house.
Hank held Ron so TC could hit him and yet TC is the one that had to go for treatment at the hospital. I think TC underestimated Ron, two on one and TC still got a butt whipping. No wonder he is scared to be in Putnam county jail
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yup, that is how it went down. They kept calling all afternoon while Misty/Ron were gone and decided to go over there at 11 that night. If they were so concerned over Misty like they said they would have called the law or gone over there earlier.
Yes she was young CJ, she turned 17 a month or two after she and Ron moved in together. Much to young. I was 17 when I got married and had my first child, much to young.
I know she babysat for Amber! cs said she didn’t know Misty remember,or am I confused?
Misty was out of control long before she met Ron-she’d been out of control for several years-as her parents admit.
Growing up in a drug addled home sure didn’t help-but she made the decision to get with Ron all on her own. Maybe she was looking for a free ride-or drugs or love-whatever, she got a lot more than she bargained for.
I draw the line at 18…
I understand completely whylie,I was married at 15 myself!
In my heart I do believe that Misty was seriously cheated in this lifetime. With that aside, in my eyes, she is no angel… just as Lindsy isn’t.
we just thought we knew it all,lol
To be perfectly honest you really don’t know what love is!
Ofcourse you grow into it but just saying,at 15 you really just don’t have a clue!
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:19 am I know she babysat for Amber! cs said she didn’t know Misty remember,or am I confused?
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she babysat as far back as amber and ron?
the special needs baby?
I understood she sat for cs and ron before they broke up..wouldn’t be the first time a guy went for the au pair..
Granny,she was a child tho!
My mom married at 16 a southern {shotgun} shindig.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:26 am My mom married at 16 a southern {shotgun} shindig.
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why’d they need a shotgun? Was she fat?
She was 17 when she got with Ron-and had been with men before that, so I don’t consider her a child. She made some very bad decisions, but she’s responsible for her actions. No one forced her to do anything.
No Misty did not babysit for Ron and Crystal. She baby sat for Amber and that is how she met Ron. She started babysitting for Ron and then moved in with him.
Any ideas on how we can get the media to request the “tapes”?
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:26 am My mom married at 16 a southern {shotgun} shindig.
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She was spoiled.
her parents were too drugged then,jmo Granny!
It is not unusual in rural southern towns for younger girls to be with/marry older men. Just the way it is, right or wrong, it is not uncommon, especially among those that are less educated.
WhyLie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:29 am No Misty did not babysit for Ron and Crystal. She baby sat for Amber and that is how she met Ron. She started babysitting for Ron and then moved in with him.
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ok..I’m sure your correct…my memory plays tricks, thank u
her parents admit,lol sorry…….just gotta disagree!
OJ’s glove said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:28 am
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:26 am My mom married at 16 a southern {shotgun} shindig.
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why’d they need a shotgun? Was she fat?
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beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:31 am
She was spoiled.
yes OJ,She met ron then and told him he needed to get custody of the baby b/c amber used drugs! IIRC
RIGHT aDAMS,THATS SO TRUE! SHE JUST NEVER HAD GUIDANCE,
Exactly, WhyLie. I am so glad I didn’t grow up in that type of environment, nor did my children. I guess the old saying that the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree is quite appropriate here!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:01 am
Misty’s sexuality is not important to me, when it comes to a grown man inviting a teen into his bed. She could have been a virgin, or the most loosest box on the block… he knew what HE was doing!
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I am normally a lurker here and just enjoy most of the posts but tonight I would like to comment.
This is such a true statement, beautiful adams. Any man 27 years old that pursues a teen either has an agenda and knows exactly what they are doing or they have mental issues.
A 10 year age gap when you are that young is huge. She should have come across to him as a silly girl, a child. He should have valued his children more then that. He was obviously thinking with his little head not his big one.
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OJ’s glove said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:04 am
misty is a young lady getting thru life as best she is able too..not everyone is born with the golden spoon..all the families have said the kids loved her..why?.. because she was good to them and all knew it.
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OJ’s glove, I have also watched you post for months I so admire your persistence and sticking to your convictions in the face of much opposition.
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CathyJo63, I can’t leave without commending you on some of the posts you have made through the months. I have admired your honesty and openness about your past addiction. You have made yourself vulnerable to us all in expressing the addiction and sharing your victory to freedom. I not only respect you for sharing but thank you for how you have been such an encouragement and given hope to others who fight some of the same issues. In addition to that, the compassion you have shown towards Misty is extraordinary. When you have expressed such a desire to want to help her and voiced how you would be willing to personally risk being involved with her just to give her a chance in life it has sincerely touched me. I know so many would kick her while she is down and have seen posters belittle you for your desire to help her. I just want to say your heart has touched me and shown me that there are still people out there that truly think of others above their own selfishness. I have to get up early tomorrow so I must go but I hope you all have a wonderful 4th of July. Good night.
no oj,cause she was prolly “in the family way” as thhey put it then!
like i was!
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:33 am yes OJ,She met ron then and told him he needed to get custody of the baby b/c amber used drugs! IIRC
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oh yea..but the “got your man gonna get your baby too” comment was directed at crystal, right?
my biomum was 13,my bdud 43!
No OJ that was a comment that Misty left on Amber’s Myspace page.
Well Spells was what 45 or so when he got Nay Nay pregnant and she was what 16, barely. Not only did the Putnam county courts not prosecute him they gave him custody of the baby.
Honesty,
Thank you for your comment on my post. And a sincere THANK YOU for the recognition of our CathyJo !!! Have a great 4th!!
Thank You Honesty!!!!!!! A good one to you too!
no OJ,at amber!
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:36 am like i was!
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!! 😯
WhyLie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:38 am No OJ that was a comment that Misty left on Amber’s Myspace page.
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told you you know more than me..
and u2 cathy
that post tore me up shewwwww! got quiet in here,lol
Thats sad whylie! jmo
Honesty,
Welcome to posting at BNN! I hope you do it more often.
omg what? why the bug eyes? lol
oh,my bio parents
At first i gotta admit i thought,omg another troll,was afraid to read it really but I am glad I did!
It’s good when people know you have no motive but only want to help because you care! jmo
At first i gotta admit i thought,omg another troll,was afraid to read it really but I am glad I did!
It’s good when people know you have no motive but only want to help because you care! jmo
Hi me,shewwww lol
Its easy to kick people around when they’re at their lowest,I like that poster and her entire comment!
Its good to see a troll who didn’t go for the jugular,lol
not really a troll but sure thought it was! lol
dang ,why’d we get quiet?
all in shock? lol
I can understand why you’d be worried to read it after the last couple of weeks here! Hopefully Honesty will post more often!
I so hope new LE take over this case. Sadly, I feel PCSO will never solve it. They appear absolutely incapable. Very sad for Haleigh.
Don’t know if this was covered already, but what do you guys make of Ron’s continuance being denied?
And I can’t believe after 17 months of dissecting every Cummings and Croslin to pieces for all this time, we still don’t know where Chad was that night, who they phoned in the days after receiving the warrant, whether or not he actually works, whether they had a life insurance policy on her etc. Odd.
me said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:59 am I can understand why you’d be worried to read it after the last couple of weeks here! Hopefully Honesty will post more often!
I so hope new LE take over this case. Sadly, I feel PCSO will never solve it. They appear absolutely incapable. Very sad for Haleigh.
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Yea me,it was a switch….shewww
I agree me,not at this rate they won’t solve it cause they’re not investigating asking right people…..jmo
the right people,sorry
It was Adams,when??
Adams,where have i been,oh n/m on pluto as usual but I sure don’t remember it,lol
BA,
I didn’t know that had happened. We use different terminology where I live, but I am guessing it means he wanted the court date postponed? Is it actually listed for a trial?
I can’t prove it but i did( hear) way back that cs had a life ins policy on her,i heard it was small but IDK for sure!
I’m not so swift with it either, it has been reported on Twitter and at RadioNewz’s site. But I believe you’re right me!
I can’t find anything about it Me,I just searched,i’ll look more tho!
Granny at 1:28. I aqree.
Ba. At 1:01. I agree.
oh,ok thanks Yea b/c Mistys is now after rons,right????
The way it works out is Misty will know if ron testifies against her right?????? IDK Legalities at all!
since they denied it i mean?
Perhaps the lawyer was counting on a deal and now they know it is going to trial they want more time to prepare? Or perhaps they were served late with some paperwork? Could be lots of reasons I suppose. Too bad a local isn’t showing up for the court dates to let us know what’s happening.
lol me good point!
I just asked where the source of the info on the denial came from. Will post when I get the answer.
UCN: 542010CF000145XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: TRIAL
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
01/21/2010 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (1/13/10)
01/21/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
01/21/2010 1 TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE MORE THAN 14 GRAMS LESS
01/21/2010 1 THAN 28 GRAMS
01/21/2010 2 WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 3 ARREST REPORT – 1/20/2010
01/22/2010 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 10-00276
01/22/2010 3 BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 4 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO FLAGLER COUNTY
01/22/2010 4 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY, FLORIDA
01/22/2010 5 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
01/22/2010 5 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS
01/22/2010 5 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF
01/22/2010 6 SOURCE OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL
01/22/2010 7 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
02/03/2010 8 INFORMATION – TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE (14G – 28G)
02/03/2010 9 MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR TRIAL
02/05/2010 10 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
02/05/2010 11 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
02/09/2010 12 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE
02/10/2010 13 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
02/10/2010 14 WITNESS LIST
02/10/2010 15 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
02/11/2010 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010) IN JAIL
02/11/2010 17 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02-18-2010)
02/17/2010 18 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/17/2010 18 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (FAX)
02/18/2010 19 ORDER SETTING CASE FOR PRETRIAL 03/31/2010
02/19/2010 20 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/19/2010 20 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (ORIGINAL)
02/23/2010 21 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-31-2010) IN JAIL
02/23/2010 22 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
03/03/2010 23 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
03/17/2010 24 NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY
03/31/2010 25 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
03/31/2010 25 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
03/31/2010 25 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
04/07/2010 26 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05-13-2010) IN JAIL
04/07/2010 27 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (05-13-2010)
04/26/2010 28 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 29 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/06/2010 29 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 30 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/06/2010 30 STATE’S MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
05/06/2010 30 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT’S
05/06/2010 30 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
05/07/2010 31 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/07/2010 32 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/07/2010 32 ISSUED TO: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/07/2010 33 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/07/2010 33 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/10/2010 34 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (FAX)
05/10/2010 35 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)
05/11/2010 36 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/13/2010 37 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/13/2010 37 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
05/13/2010 37 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/13/2010 38 ORDER SETTING TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/28/2010 39 LETTER FROM ANNETTE SYKES
06/07/2010 40 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-19-2010)
06/07/2010 41 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-19-2010)
06/15/2010 42 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
06/28/2010 43 MOTION TO CONTINUE
07/01/2010 44 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TRIAL DATE AND
07/01/2010 44 GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE
when someone agrees to testify against another for a reduction in sentence their sentence will be delayed til after they testify..
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:17 am oh,ok thanks Yea b/c Mistys is now after rons,right????
The way it works out is Misty will know if ron testifies against her right?????? IDK Legalities at all!
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CJ,
I would think if Ron was going to testify against her at trial we would know about it by now as they would presumably have to serve a statement/deposition on Misty so she knew the case she was facing and was given an opportunity to refute anything he said.
Heee, CathyJo once again comes thru with the info!
right Me,tyvvm.lol
also tho it won’t stand w/o the plea deal he was offered right or lol wrong?? it was 15 yrs with testimony against her the others???
OJ’s glove said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:21 am when someone agrees to testify against another for a reduction in sentence their sentence will be delayed til after they testify..
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Wow. That’s completely opposite to the way it works here. Here you’d be sentenced first, then testify after. If the “informant” doesn’t adhere to the statement they gave prior to their sentence when giving evidence, they are re-sentenced here. When sentenced here the judge has to say precisely the discount given for their testimony, and if they don’t stick to the statement, they lose their discount. Here juries always know what sort of discount the give up got for telling his “story”.
i have no idea guys,just trying to learn about that,lol
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:21 am UCN: 542010CF000145XXAXMX
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Thx for posting that. I was going to go check myself but was feeling too lazy!
lol Adams!
Shoot Me,I am lazy bones,but i did it anyhow,lol
oh i think i see Oj,Ty
me said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:18 am Perhaps the lawyer was counting on a deal and now they know it is going to trial they want more time to prepare? Or perhaps they were served late with some paperwork? Could be lots of reasons I suppose. Too bad a local isn’t showing up for the court dates to let us know what’s happening.
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like I said, the prosecution won’t budge from the 25 offered for a guilty plea, ron’s lawyer is jockying for the 15 by dragging it on..ron’s lawyer has no cards to play..ron goes down trial or not..
wow Me,i don’t understand legalities but i do yours there,I think anyway,lol gosh!!!
well I still don’t get it but I’ll pretend i do,lol
me said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:26 am OJ’s glove said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:21 am when someone agrees to testify against another for a reduction in sentence their sentence will be delayed til after they testify..
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Wow. That’s completely opposite to the way it works here. Here you’d be sentenced first, then testify after. If the “informant” doesn’t adhere to the statement they gave prior to their sentence when giving evidence, they are re-sentenced here. When sentenced here the judge has to say precisely the discount given for their testimony, and if they don’t stick to the statement, they lose their discount. Here juries always know what sort of discount the give up got for telling his “story”.
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whoa..thats not how its done in cali..agree to testify, you testify first then are sentenced..if you don’t cooperate you get it in the neck..ain’t justice sweet? like the trumpted up bogus charges they have on misty..12 decent people will see how she was coherced, forced, entrapped, tricked into doing what they say she did.
I know one thing for certain,I bet theres not a firewerk left in this world cause my neighbors lit them all tonight!
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:26 am right Me,tyvvm.lol
also tho it won’t stand w/o the plea deal he was offered right or lol wrong?? it was 15 yrs with testimony against her the others???
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I’m not the best one to answer that question…only read about the deal here. Do you know when it was that Shoemaker talked about the deal? I’d like to see what he said. I don’t get why these lawyers have to share so much with the press. I wouldn’t want my lawyer doing that.
I saw somewhere online the other day that this guy got the death penalty and he chose’ himself to have the firing squad i think you call it!
My God in Heaven I cannot believe they still do that..it blew me away,shewwwwwww I’ll never understand the legal stuff and all!
Shoey, mentioned it to the Judge at Ron’s last court appearance… I think!
OJ’s,
I don’t live in the USA…Fla. is probably like Cali I am guessing?
I suppose it doesn’t matter too much whether they are sentenced before or not….but what if they say something incriminating when giving evidence against someone else?….could the prosecutor not renig on the deal? Here one of the reasons for postponing it is so that your client (if he’s the informant) already has the deal finalized and any further criminality they may reveal at the trial can’t be used against them. I guess both ways though the main thing is that the jury understands just how much the give up has to gain by telling his “story”.
Didn’t you guys get a ruling somewhere in the USA that informants could no longer be offered discounts for testifying, as it’s not much different to a defendant paying someone to give evidence for them? IMO, it shouldn’t be allowed….give ups are usually lying for their own benefit.
CathyJo, my sister mentioned that case to me a couple of days ago, but I ignored her, for she always gets these things mixed-up.
Did hear about the guy that tried to sell his baby at Walmart for 20 bucks?
June 10th 2010
A death row inmate who had used a gun to fatally shoot two men suffered the same fate Friday morning as he was executed by a team of marksmen — the first time Utah used the firing squad to carry out a death sentence in 14 years.
A barrage of bullets tore into Ronnie Lee Gardner’s chest where a target was pinned over his heart. Two minutes later an ashen Gardner, blood pooling in his dark blue jumpsuit, was pronounced dead at 12:17 a.m.
He was the third man to die by firing squad since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment in 1976.
Unlike Gary Gilmore, who famously uttered the last words “Let’s do it” on Jan. 17, 1977, Gardner could muster few words before a black hood was fastened over his head. Asked if he had anything to say during the two minutes afforded him, Gardner said simply, “I do not, no.”
The five executioners, certified police officers who volunteered for the task and remain anonymous, stood about 25 feet away, behind a wall cut with a gunport, and were armed with matching .30-caliber Winchester rifles. One was loaded with a blank so no one knows who fired the fatal shot. Sandbags stacked behind Gardner’s chair kept the bullets from ricocheting around the cinderblock room.
Utah Department of Corrections Director Thomas Patterson said the countdown cadence went “5-4-3…” with the shooters starting to fire at the count of 2.
Gardner’s arm tensed and jerked back when he was hit. As the medical examiner checked for vital signs the hood was pulled back, revealing that Gardner’s head was tilted back and to the right, his mouth slightly open.
“I don’t agree with what he done or what they done but I’m relieved he’s free,” said Gardner’s brother, Randy Gardner, after the execution. “He’s had a rough life. He’s been incarcerated and in chains his whole damn life, now he’s free. I’m happy he’s free, just sad the way he went.”
The execution was witnessed by media representatives who are separated from witnesses for the victims or the condemned in rooms on opposite ends of the execution chamber behind reflective glass so they can’t be seen.
Gardner walked willingly to his execution, a stark contrast to the fatal escape attempt he undertook 25 years ago that resulted in his death sentence.
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OMG Sold it is bad but for 20 bux?? omgggggggggg
No,Adams.I didn’t hear that one,shewwwwww
LoL Adams,your sister must be related to me,lol when you said she gets it mixed up I had to find it then!
it amazed me,I didn’t think stuff like that went on now!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100626/ap_on_fe_st/us_baby_for_sale
SALINAS, Calif. – Jail officials in California say a father accused of trying to sell his baby for $25 outside a Walmart is recovering after other inmates beat him.
Thirty-eight-year-old Patrick Fousek and 20-year-old Samantha Tomasini, of Salinas, pleaded not guilty to child endangerment and drug charges Friday.
Fousek appeared in court with a bruised eye and stitches. Sheriff’s Cmdr. Mike Richards said the man was attacked Thursday at the Monterey County Jail. He also suffered two cracked ribs and is now being held away from the general population.
Fousek is accused of approaching two women Wednesday and asking if they’d like to purchase his 6-month-old.
He and Tomasini were arrested a few hours later at their home, and Child Protective Services took the baby.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:43 am CathyJo,
Did hear about the guy that tried to sell his baby at Walmart for 20 bucks?
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I believe it was a woman..and whats up with you ladies saying the dingo ate my baby and such? I got my eye on you girls..
I certainly couldn’t sit and watch someone die like that!
That’s a prime reason why tommy shouldn’t be in GP!! If the inmates even suspect a child was involved in your case/crime… it’s beat-down time.
No dingo ate mine and wouldn’t have had the chance to either oj….so watch somebody else…….lol
you ain’t just whistlin dixie, Adams!
I found this at first coast news on May 13th…
Today, the state attorney’s office confirmed what Cummings’ attorney, Terry Shoemaker, said last week.
Shoemaker, after a pre-trial hearing with Cummings Thursday, said they were trying to negotiate a plea deal in exchange for testimony against the other defendants.
On the table in the deal, according to Shoemaker, are the two “upper level” trafficking charges, each of which carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 25 years.
By working with the three lesser charges, Shoemaker said he hopes Cummings would end up with a sentence of 15 to 30 years.
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15-30 years after a deal for what he did?….crazy.
that worries me bad Adams,it really does,It’s almost like they put him there to get killed? jmo but i do believe something was up with it!
In my case it would be I ate the dingo!
it is crazy me! for more than one reason to me! jmo
LoL Adams,you doggone straight!
Yep, that killer wanted a firing squad and got itM he man’d up on that, imo. Wow! What a way to go out. Ouch.
Rons attorney TALkED about a plea deal, no word at all from the d/a, just rons side.
OJ’s glove said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:54 am beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:43 am CathyJo,
Did hear about the guy that tried to sell his baby at Walmart for 20 bucks?
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I believe it was a woman..and whats up with you ladies saying the dingo ate my baby and such? I got my eye on you girls..
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That was a tragic case. Lots of people make fun of it, but at the end of the day the woman’s life was ruined and she spent many years in jail before she was exonerated. Very very sad story. Her name was Lindsay Chamberlain and her case is a leading authority to this day in Australia. Very tragic. Since then dingos have killed more children…it’s fairly rare, but does happen.
and just imagine if he did do something else and its never found out then what? thats crazy! jmo still
right Adams,it is sad!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:57 am That’s a prime reason why tommy shouldn’t be in GP!! If the inmates even suspect a child was involved in your case/crime… it’s beat-down time.
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So true. Plus, he was put in there with 2 of Hardy’s sons co-accused who probably consider him a dog. And LE have already once charged Ron with assaulting him. They knew what they were doing when they put him in there. IMO, it is criminal. Where I live LE aren’t in charge of the inmates…we have a separate Department with responsibility for them, so LE couldn’t have done that to him.
and especially if Tommy ends up dead! jmo
The guy that tried to sell the baby looks like Charles Bronson.
jaba said,in July 4th, 2010 at 3:02 am Yep, that killer wanted a firing squad and got itM he man’d up on that, imo. Wow! What a way to go out. Ouch.
Rons attorney TALkED about a plea deal, no word at all from the d/a, just rons side.
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Actually the article I cut and pasted above says the state attorneys office confirmed they were working on a deal…so, not just from Ron’s attorney.
exactly,what they did was the same as the death penalty….basically! And don’t even know if he’s guilty! jmo guys in jail don’t play around!
Thank You Me,for verifying that!
nite ladies..happy 4th
CJ,
I remembered people discussing the deal, but don’t think I read any articles about it til today. For some reason it seems to have fallen apart. I doubt I’d do a deal for that sort of time….I’d take my chances with a jury. Once the prisons start to overflow and the taxpayers realize it is costing them a fortune to impose minimum sentences without reducing the drug trade (new ones always take their place) they’ll have to let some of these people go. Some government one day will re-determine their sentences, get them out, and save the taxpayers a fortune in wasted spending.
it was both parents wasn’t it Adams,tried to sell it for 25 bux,you can see that girl is no doubt a meth head…I am looking now and her face has sores all over it……jmo
Nite OJ… I think I will shove off myself.
Goodnight all!!!!
Good nite OJ.
omg,they beat him up in jail!!!!!!
See,Tommys a walking dead man! jmo sorry but true
gnite oj!
I haven’t heard if he is near ron, in the same pod or what. They may never cross paths. Anyone know the exact floor plan of the jail and how many pods or areas they have?
Good night BA.
Me,you and me….thats garbage…a plea deal for that!
jaba,
It doesn’t matter what pod they are in. Inmates in general population mix. They are not locked in their pods all day.
they broke his ribs! that guy who tried to sell his baby!
it aint just ron he has to worry about!
ron don’t have his guns in jail! jmo
So they confirmed rons attorney brought them a deal. Hmmmm…if they were going to do it I wonder why the hold up on it? What has/could change in rons situation to mnake them agree, I wonder?
CJ,
Yep. If I were Ron and the best I could do on a deal was 15, I’d roll the dice and take it to trial.
Where I live they introduced mandatory minimums for drug offences a few years back…they are now calling to get rid of them. Our neighboring state has about the same population as us, has only half the people in jail at half the cost to their taxpayers and our crime stats are pretty much the same. And latest stats show heroin use on the rise. Complete waste of money.
evidense against him? jmo
Lordy Me!
My eyes are crossed,I have to hit the hay too!
lol gnite
its 3:30,I thought it was around 2,lol
gnite me!!
Pods are separated here in texas. They don’t all mix. You sure about florida?
It would be easy to find online! imo they still put him in gp in the same jail period…jmo
gnite for real!
In county jail that is.
Yep, same jail but do we know if they do in fact mix or are they in seperate pods and don’t even get near each other? Anyone with for sure info on the jail in question?
Just watched werter on jvm again, tommy is grasping at straws on any wrongdoing, imo, his lawyer has no firm answers worth a crap…imo…watch for yourselves and see if you buy it. A judge is going to look at him and tommy and see if he buys it enough to set down some sanctions against LE and I just don’t see it.
Good thing tommy will get a fair hearing on it and not leave it up a blogger one way or another.
You sure about putnam jail? Yes/no? I’m not. Looking for guidance from you, me.
CJ,
Sorry, went out for a sec … good night!
jaba said,in July 4th, 2010 at 3:20 am So they confirmed rons attorney brought them a deal. Hmmmm…if they were going to do it I wonder why the hold up on it? What has/could change in rons situation to mnake them agree, I wonder?
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So many possibilities, imo. I
So we have rons attorney offering a plea and the state saying, yep, they are aware of it and working on it. Can’t imagine that’s a hard decision to make, but they have not agreed that we know of.
We have tommy who MIGHT be in gp with ron but we don’t have any proof they are even able to get near each other….lots of unknowns. Hope we proof to back up claims made.
oops…posted before I finished.
The article doesn’t say who approached who about the deal.
Re why it doesn’t seem to be happening anymore…so many possibilities. Perhaps they want to see how Misty goes at trial first to see what their own chances are.
jaba,
You seem to forget that ALL inmates hate people who harm children. You think they put him in a pod with people who love and respect child molesters? Maybe you’ve got those in Texas…lol.
I think ron will be finished before misty. If he pleads and awaits sentence until mistys trial in aug or sep, then I can see the d/a using him and trying to work a judge into a ‘favor’ for ron.
I still don’t know why they need ron on mistys deal. They didn’t offer hope or doona one to testify against misty, that we know of. Doona might still. Hell, tommy and ron might.
Misty is in a world of s”” at this point unless her attorney can show entrapment.
Imo
jaba said,in July 4th, 2010 at 4:05 am So we have rons attorney offering a plea and the state saying, yep, they are aware of it and working on it.
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Where do you get that Ron’s attorney offered a plea??
jaba,
I’ll be cheering Misty on at her trial. They should have busted her after the first small deal, and used that as an opportunity to get her rehab etc. What they’ve done to her is disgusting imo. I’ll be interested to see how a jury deal with it. I won’t be surprised if she beats the charges. I believe there will be at least one person out of the 12 who doesn’t want to see a teen locked up for decades.
No, I don’t. I thought yuou said they all mix, right. So ron and tc will cross paths, rightV
Do you know for sure that will happen in putnam county? I’m not. You know more about jails and prisons than I do, I’m sure. I thought you had seen a floor plan or what not to make that statement.
Ron is in gp and its been said he may have had something to do with it and for all I know he hasn’t been harmed.
She may beat the charges, no doubt.
If not, the florida law and sentence will determine her time.
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I heard rons attorney said they were working on a deal. It was on a nancy grace show or jvm. Its the only two tv shows I’ve seen talk about rons attempted plea.
jaba,
Visiting jails is a big part of my job and I have spent way too many days and weekends in way too many jails. I have never been to Putnam County and have no idea how it works there. But my understanding is general population is general population and can’t see why it would be different in FLA. They are allowed time outside their pods for recreation, meals, sport, weights, doctors visits etc in all the jails I go to. It’s why most protective custody inmates get little time out of their cells…because they can’t mix with the general population.
Re American jails, BA Cent would know far better than me. Hopefully she can answer your questions when she comes back.
And one thing I can be certain of, and that is that Florida inmates would be no different than other inmates insofar as they consider harming a child the most heinous crime going and all inmates accused of such are at grave risk in general population. Doesn’t matter if the child’s father is in the prison or not.
An extract from an Australian Institute of Criminal Report in relation to deaths in cudtody. As the offender’s victim was protected and not identified, prison authorities didn’t realize what they had done…
“One sentenced child sex offender
who was stabbed repeatedly to the
neck and throat with a prison-made
cutlery knife. Reports reveal that the
deceased’s head had almost been
severed in the attack.The victim has
been sentenced to almost 10 years’
imprisonment for numerous sex
offences, including indecent assault on
a child—his assailant’s son.His assailant was nearing the end of a
12-year sentence for armed robbery.
At the Coronial Inquest it was
noted that restrictions on identifying
child sex victims allowed the father to
be placed in the same prison as the
man who had raped his son.The
assailant had been transferred to the
same prison only 3 days earlier.The
Coroner found that the courts and
police should have been required to
provide information to the Justice
Ministry on the offender’s victim
which would then have prevented the
two males being placed at the same
prison. “Protocols should be
established between the police service
and the Ministry of Justice so the
section would have information of
relatively high quality relating to
potential conflict between prisoners,
particularly resulting from sexual
offences committed against family
members.”
oops…sorry I’m getting tired….it should be “institute of criminology”…lol….not “institute of criminal”.
May 13th is the date of the confirmation on rons plea being talked about. That’s a month and a half. I wonder if the d/a is still ‘considering’ it or what.
CathyJo was nice enough to post the court docket for us….I can’t find the last chance plea date anywhere in it…but it seems it may have been extended last week. Perhaps they are still trying to negotiate a deal but haven’t come to an agreement yet?
06/28/2010 43 MOTION TO CONTINUE
07/01/2010 44 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TRIAL DATE AND
07/01/2010 44 GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE
So, Tommy’s in court on Tuesday? I will be very interested to see what he gets sentenced to. I wonder if Lindsay will show up?
Looks like his continuance was denied. His trial, if he goes that route, should be soon, I hope.
Jan and Simon Be sure to check your spam folder for emails sent to you by people not in your address book. I sent you an email but haven’t recieved a reply and I sent an email to somone else and just got written back because my email was amungst the spam since I wrote first. Upon writing back the email address’ are usually added automatically but you might be getting tips and not know it. You can disreguard my email because it hasn’t happened as of yet and I don’t get the feeling it will but if you could just write a little note that you got it so I do get added into your address book and won’t get automated into your spam folder. Thanks
P.S. I offered to make a flyer to pass around the internet for awareness for Zachary Pittman but I haven’t heard on that either. I’ve posted some of my flyers here on the forum but I also post them on myspace and myspace is a great network. Literally thousands get to see them in a matter of just a few posts from the other advocates of the missing which there are several of us with many people all over the country. I love myspace for this very reason. Lots of kids get seen in the bulletins. Anyway the offer still stands if you want me to I will.
Happy 4th \ Happy Independence Day !! Celebrate the freedom.
Having said that: I do believe dinner will be served. The glaze for the turkey and hen will feature a variety of spices and offer a complex but evenly distributed amount of stuffing.
Join us Tuesday for the feast we’ve all been ready and waiting for!!! Don’t forget your bib for coughing, sneezing, spitting, etc.
Desert will be a wonderful creation also!!! Jan and Simon will make authentic and heart warming… Ahhh, join us on a tour around Jan and Simon’s menu to find out: who, what, when, where, why and how two’s and how’s comes that are sure 2 keep y’all coming back 4 More: Justice!!!!
Testers welcome
Justice for Haleigh xo
Happy 4th today! Let’s proclaim FREEDOM for HALEIGH today!!!
also don’t forget the radio show today… let’s unite and blog for HaLeigh’s justice and work to get this stagnated case MOVING!!!! We have to be her ears, arms, and voice…..
Stay safe all!
and morning to Lady, Jaba, Alex,Texas, and CJ!
DustyRose said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:02 pm
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
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DustyRose, just wanted to tell you that I really like that last part “all her families”, because I feel like Haleigh has become a part of the families of everyone here at BNN.
BAc, thanks for the heads up about Ron’s continuance. Here is the court docket listing:
UCN: 542010CF000146XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: TRIAL
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
06/28/2010 44 MOTION TO CONTINUE
07/01/2010 45 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TRIAL DATE AND GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE
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To me that means that Ron’s attorney was still hoping for a chance to make a plea bargain with the prosecutors office, and the prosecutor laughed his a$$ off all the way out the courthouse. Told the judge no plea will be offered so the judge said lets get on with the trial.
Lady: Or Shoemaker had expected a deal and wasn’t prepared for a trial on Ron’s plea.
I think the date for the deal with the prosecutor had expired.
I thought that Hope had mentioned that Ron had told her how to plea and they would all plea the same if caught……Then after Hope’s hearing, they all found out it wasn’t going to work for them the way it had in the past.
IMO
Good Morning!
me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 3:05 am
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:57 am That’s a prime reason why tommy shouldn’t be in GP!! If the inmates even suspect a child was involved in your case/crime… it’s beat-down time.
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So true. Plus, he was put in there with 2 of Hardy’s sons co-accused who probably consider him a dog. And LE have already once charged Ron with assaulting him. They knew what they were doing when they put him in there. IMO, it is criminal. Where I live LE aren’t in charge of the inmates…we have a separate Department with responsibility for them, so LE couldn’t have done that to him.
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Actually in Florida it is a separate department in charge of inmates – Corrections Department. In each county they all fall under the supervision of the County Sheriff, but it is a different department than Law Enforcement (street cops/detectives, etc).
me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 3:13 am
CJ,
I remembered people discussing the deal, but don’t think I read any articles about it til today. For some reason it seems to have fallen apart. I doubt I’d do a deal for that sort of time….I’d take my chances with a jury. Once the prisons start to overflow and the taxpayers realize it is costing them a fortune to impose minimum sentences without reducing the drug trade (new ones always take their place) they’ll have to let some of these people go. Some government one day will re-determine their sentences, get them out, and save the taxpayers a fortune in wasted spending.
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Sorry to disagree with you on this one, but as a Florida taxpayer who very much supported the change in the laws and who still supports it, that is not going to happen. We are still lobbying for stiffer sentences for all aspects of the drug trade. The drug trade is the “start” to many more serious crimes, if the criminals can be put out of the society before the commit the drug related murders/robberies, etc, I am all for it.
I don’t ever see these sentences getting “shorter”, but I do see the possibility for the sentences of even the “lessor” (such as possession) drug crimes getting stiffer and also having mandatory sentencing guidelines.
Because of Florida’s surrounding coastline it has become a first-line channel for the international drug trade, and the “honest” citizens of Florida want a stop put to it! If we can cut down or put a stop to the drug trade, we cut down or put a stop to MANY other crimes.
Whew, finally just caught up from last nights flurry of posts. Good morning iloves and stilllucy!
BTW what looks like two separate lines on Ron’s court docket is actually one entry. The way the computer does it is only so much “type” can fit on each line so when it runs longer it gets a “separate” line entry. The motion to deny actually denied the request for a continuance of the trial and it denied the request to grant a continuance for the plea date.
Levi Page posted a link to an article that he wrote for a paper in Tennessee. Along with the article is a slideshow of interviews with some of the national media that gave us all the WOW factor that has led us to so much speculation of Ron.
FYI: Kyron has been missing for 1 month today. Hoping for good news soon with his case as with this case.
I am also a Florida taxpayer and there are many of us who while we do want the drug industry to stop in Florida, understand that snatching users off of the street and throwng in jail for the rest of their lives is not the answer.
I have no problem with those that deal drugs getting jail time, I do however take issue with the mandatory minimums that take the authority away from judges and juries and puts that authority into the hands of SA’s and LE.
Laws that include mandatory minimum sentencing can and are abused by those in power just as we see in this case.
PCSO made sure that their UC purchased the amount of drugs that would move the charges from sales and possession to trafficking in Misty’s case, thus causing Misty the possibility of facing over 100 years in jail.
The UC made sure to only purchase the amount of drugs from Imm that would keep his charges in the possession range and not trafficking, thus Imm will not face mandatory minimum sentencing, and his sentencing will be up to the discretion of the judge.
Sentencing should be in the hands of judges based on each individual case and circumstance.
The mandatory minimum sentencing for trafficking was put into place to put a stop to the trafficking of cocaine that was coming in through Miami, big traffickers, smugglers, importers, and profiteers.
It was not designed to snatch young teens off of the street who have addictions, are acting as middlemen in purchasing drugs to feed their addictions, and then tossing them in jail for 15, 25, 50 years or more.
#1, Misty is NOT a “young” teen, she was 18 when arrested.
#2, Misty is NOT the only young adult to be caught up in mandatory sentencing guidelines of drug trafficking.
#3, the mandatory sentencing was put in place for the purpose of taking the “discretion” out of the hands of the judges that were giving light or no sentences to the “big” time traffickers depending on how much money was exchanged into the “right” hands.
In Florida the illegal possession of one weeks supply of Hydrocodone has a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years and 500,000 fine.
Illegal possession of 300 POUNDS of cocaine will has a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 years.
Based on those laws it certainly would seem that the tide has turned and the legislature in Florida is less worried about smugglers (who are the real traffickers) bringing cocaine into Florida then they are of people selling pharmaceuticals that were legally obtained at some point before being put into the illegal drug trade stream.
It makes me wonder if the pharmaceutical companies are putting pressure on the legislature to stop the sale of their money making drugs by addicts because it is cutting into their profits.
LS: You are so right. Illegal drugs make big bucks for those that are involved in selling/trafficking of them. Sometimes that kind of money can influence those public servants that are greedy or in their positions for all of the wrong reasons.
Pharmaceutical Co’s are in the position now of working with the gov’t on regulations rather than just pushing through legislation for the success of their products, monetarily.
Now, all must be treated equally under the guidelines. This bunch knew enough about the laws to make a plan and talked about it on the tapes with the UC. They should face the sentences imposed as should everyone else. Despite of their personal situations. Ron didn’t care enough about his children to provide a decent and legal environment so they could grow and succede. Misty, Tommy, and Hope didn’t care enough about themselves. This may be just what all of them needed.
And with that said, maybe now they, those involved in HaLeigh’s disappearance, will have enough respect for her to spill it.
IMO
LadySadie! THANK you so much for your post listing contact addresses for media to write to ask if they will share the cost of more tapes. I think you should re-post that this afternoon and evening and tomorrow,too, so lots of people see it!
I completely understand the desire to get rid of drugs. But to me solutions like these long mandatory sentences (especially for small-time dealers/users) are (a) not justice and (b) are not reflected in violent and horrific crimes and (c) strain the jails’ capacity to where often rapists, child molesters and murderers are paroled long before their sentences are served in order to free up space (which is also not “justice” to me).
Just looking at it from a practical standpoint there are only so many jails and so much money for them. And putting someone like Hope in for 15 years can “push out” a violent offender who’s given early parole. It happens.
As we’ve seen in so many cases sentencing for SOs, abusers, and murderers runs the gamut from a slap on the wrist to life – and then sometimes “lifers” or 30 year sentences get paroled before serving even half the sentence.
Do these mandatory sentences really affect the drug trade? Are there studies showing that x many people are deterred by them (won’t commit the crime because of the jail time if caught)? We already know these five weren’t key players or even big players so we know their absence from the drug scene won’t even cause a ripple in the flow of drugs. So the purpose is….?
IMO achieving a real change (as in the drug trade) and achieving anything close to justice as far as drugs or violent crime is concerned takes a whole lot more than mandatory sentencing. It’s a simple but ineffective “solution” politicians come up with to placate the voters (IMO). This kind of thing happens everywhere – not picking on Florida.
Of course I’d be happier about it if similar mandatory sentences applied to all illegal drugs (per WhyLie’s post at 9:13 am) and certain violent crimes. Then we wouldn’t have to worry about child rapists getting off after being on home confinement for a while or child murderers getting out after 8 years or murderers of adults getting out after 16 years instead of the 30 a jury decided upon. But that would break any state’s bank I’m sure.
Both real change and real justice are far more complex and sometimes time-consuming and expensive and that’s why we don’t have either one – change or justice – IMO.
m2c, we don’t have “early” parole in Florida, we have NO parole system. Once sentenced a criminal MUST serve at minimum 85% of their sentence. They may be released at that time for good behavior, but they are totally released not put on parole.
Then there should be parole so people could be watched and checked on (IF there was a competent parole system which is rare if not non-existant).
Whether it’s total release or parole, I don’t think it’s a good thing for anyone (except a crowded jail) for a man to be totally released after serving only 16 years of a 30 year sentence for hiring a hit man to sucessfully kill his wife.
I’m talking about lots of states, not just Florida.
To me it’s unconscionable for a man who raped and killed a ONE year old child to even be eligible for parole at any time after being sentenced for life. Or, in the absence of parole, eligible for early release. And I don’t care how well he behaved in jail. That’s a real case last year from a mid-west state.
The child’s family appealed nationally for people to write the parole board to object and he did not get parole. But just the fact that the parole board was considering it made me sick.
m2c, the case of the man released after 16 years was a Federal sentence NOT a State of Florida sentence. If you research that case he was not housed in a Florida prison, but a Federal prison. I am not sure if that person is on parole or not as again that was a Federal case not a State of Florida case.
Again, if a person is sentenced to “Life in Prison” in the State of Florida – they serve life in prison. There is no “Life with the possibility of parole” as there is NO parole in Florida. There is no way to calculate 85% of life, so if a person is sentenced to “life” they serve “life”.
@beautiful*adams {cent},
Reading through the comments, your comment about Misty begging Crystal to believe her..
I totally agree.. Something that people need to stop and look at, they have a pre-conceived concept of misty.. She was a teenager, into drugs, sex, rocknroll.. Just like several million other teens are today.. Heck I could list a dozen or so, that I watched grow up with my Granddaughter.
Thus with the pre-conceived ideas, Misty must be guilty after all, she’s a teenager and she went to a wild party, and she’s living with this man ten years older than she.. She has to be the guilty person here.. After all she’s the one PCSO is looking at..
What if, she’s not?? What if she is the scapegoat?? What if she doesn’t know anything??
What if she had to make up the time line of the night from the time ron left, until ron arrived? What if, she did this for ron? What if she were not at that residence until after 1:30am.. What if she wasn’t ask to babysit until late, to cover between what time ron would normally get home and the time he expected to get home… 2 hours.. But in that 2 hours, she arrives only to find Junior and no Haleigh?? It would explain how her entire time line comes out a lie… All made up, and she’s stuck in the Muck.. and all others walk freely around.. Who would ask her to make up the story to cover for the night?? Ron?? Tn??
What would misty know?? NOTHING..
Then if you look at Tommys statement from last September.. If it were true, it would back up what I just said… NO ONE WAS AT THAT TRAILER, that night.. Just as the AC man may well have found no one at home at 5:00pm.
So where do the real answers lie…
with ron and tn… they know more than they have ever said.. might be the reason that they covered for misty so intently in the PUBLIC eye..
As long as PCSO spins in circles with what misty has told them so far.. they will never come close to the truth..
As far as this last episode with Tommy and PCSO, I think it was their last ditch effort to just frighten Tommy into telling what he really knows about that night.. And it is possible, although no one wants to believe, that he really knows NOTHING.. He’s like misty, caught in this world of muck, and they don’t know what to do..
Joe, not wanting to come down to Putnam for a visit.. are you kidding.. the boy has had more fingers pointed at him that we can imagine, and with all the nutz running around putnam, would Joe be safe.. I think not..
Thank you for the information about Florida.
What’s confusing I guess is that, for example, Monster Anthony could get Life Without Parole (LWOP). If there’s no parole, I wonder why it has to be mentioned? Or maybe the term dates back to when there was parole?
I’m really talking about a lot of states not just Florida. And I do not see a difference between early release and parole except the former is not supervised which is a negative IMO.
And I don’t think that sentencing a guy to 8 years for killing a child (Florida) or releasing a guy after 16 years on a 30 year sentence for cold-blooded murder (Florida) is a good thing. And what did Snodgrass get? Time served? He was on an ankle monitor for pete’s sake! (Am I remembering that correctly?)
FYI: There are no similarities between release guidelines for federal, state, or county inmates. The all are under their own judicial/legislative laws that are in place.
Snodgrass has not gone to trial yet, he is on an ankle monitor as a condition of his bail while awaiting trial.
Again the guy that was released after 16 years on a 30 year sentence was NOT tried by the State of Florida, he was tried by the Federal Government in a Federal Courthouse and was sentenced under Federal guidelines NOT by the State of Florida and he was NOT sentenced under Florida guidelines.
The case you keep referring to was of Navy Lt. Commander Michael Fricke. He was tried at the Naval Legal Service Office, Norfolk, Virginia, by a general court-martial composed of a military judge sitting alone. Pursuant to his pleas, he was found guilty of premeditated murder, in violation of Article 118, Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 USC § 918. On August 30, 1994.
So it wasn’t even a Federal Trial it was a military trial, and the guidelines were military guidelines.
The crime didn’t even take place in the state of Florida, the only connection to Florida is that is where the victim (his wife) was raised and where her family now lives.
Navy Lt. Commander Michael Fricke was a 38-year old Lieutenant Commander with 17 years of naval service at the time of the offense, and he was assigned to NAS Oceana, Virginia Beach, Virginia. About sunset on the evening of May 13, 1988, his 31-year-old wife, Roxanne, was shot and killed as she entered her vehicle after shopping at a Farm Fresh supermarket in Virginia Beach.
I thought that was right about Snod, LadySadie. Thank you. But it was some SO that got off very lightly recently I believe.
So in Florida, people tried by the state for sex offenses and murder never get released early?
That is my point whether it’s state/federal, parole/early release or whatever the heck it is, IF the violent offenders get lighter sentences and get released early, then there is an imbalance in sentencing between those kinds of crimes and trafficking as well as a difference in trafficking different kinds of drugs (Rx vs cocaine). And again I am talking about laws in many states, not just Florida.
m2c, it depends on what their sentence is. Not all sex offenders or murders get sentenced to “life”. If they sentenced to a certain amount of years, like 30 or 50, they MUST serve 85% of that time before they can even be considered for early release. So say someone is sentenced to 30 years, before they can even be considered for early release for “good behavior” they MUST serve 25.5 years.
A bit OT, but I just read this on the net:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html
To limit the conversation to Florida,
your example is fine for those who are sentenced to 30 or 50 years for SO or murder but unfortunately not all sex offenses or murders are sentenced anywhere near to that amount of time.
I do not see the “justice” or purpose of illegal possession of one weeks supply of Hydrocodone having a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years and 500,000 fine – when a SO or murderer sentenced to 30 years can get out in the same amount of time or may be sentenced to far less in the first place.
Another issue with mandatory sentencing is that in large drug organizations the higher up in the organization a person is the more information they have to “offer up” to SA’s in exchange for lowering charges (which the SA has the power to do as we saw in Donna B’s case). The higher ups are also more likely to be able to afford high cost attorneys to help them make deals.
The lower level, street level, dealer/addicts have no or little info to “barter” with in reducing their charges, and most often are represented by overworked, underpaid public defenders who really do not have the means or inclination to do the best job for their client in securing a deal with the SA.
In the case of Ron, who could he offer up to the SA in exchange for lowering his charges? A disabled Vet who is selling half of his prescription pills to make ends meet and to pay his bills? I hardly think that would be the kind of “deal” a SA would go for.
A little OT on Kyron, what an evil witch Terri must be…
Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
Published: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 4:00 AM Updated: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 9:38 AM
A landscaper who worked for Kyron Horman’s family at their rural Northwest Portland home told authorities that the missing boy’s stepmom offered to pay him to kill her husband.
The landscaper told authorities that Terri Moulton Horman approached him with the murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before Kyron disappeared, The Oregonian has learned.
She reportedly offered the landscaper, who advertises his expertise in lawn care, a large sum of money to carry out the scheme, sources say
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html
In Florida in 2004 the average prison length was less then 27 years for murder, less then 22 years for 2nd degree murder, less then 8 years for all sex crimes, less then 6 years for lewd act on a child.
Somehow I do not see the balancing of sentencing in the state of Florida. I must be missing something.
M2C, again, you are the voice of reason. WhyLie, what you said makes sense (ticks me off the way our Veterans are treated too!)
So, looking at everything again and still beleiving that Misty and Ron are innocent, and from the information we were given, I look at this from more of a view of what the individual could of been thinking and believing when this all happened and what caused and would explain the actions that occured.
So, if I went with the theory that Haleigh was taken by the ‘other side’ of the family, I would think that Haleigh was taken first, then handed off to someone outside the back ramp, then when the person went back in to get Junior, that is when Misty woke up. That ruined the plan. That then leads me to Crystal’s anger to get Jr. by making up stuff about Ron to make him look bad.
But, if it was a perp or a pedo, an abduction, then I think that they just wanted Haleigh.
Mostly, I really do wonder if Haleigh did not dissapear in the later daytime hours, right after dinner time?
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Theory: (Tommy very well could of done this instead of who I put in my theory, which I think is a high possibility).
I think Tommy was messed up and still looking for his pills. After partying with Misty all day, he went to find some with Joe in the van. They went to the woods (Misty saw them leave), she passed out, they got high on Meth, brought back some scum guy(s) from the woods who had pills. Tommy and Joe had no money, so they said they would trade a gun for the pills. They knocked on the door, Misty let them in. Joe was looking for the gun, couldn’t find it, so the guy took Haleigh. Misty is totally out of it. She thinks she sees the guy(s) leaning over Haleigh, but thinks its a dream. Maybe the squeaking on the couch info could be the guy(s) raping Joe? Maybe that’s why he is so freaked out and skittish? The guy(s) threatened their lives! The guy(s) made Joe drive them back through the woods with Haleigh. They threatened Tommy as they left him at the MH. So I am thinking here that maybe Tommy (being so high)remembers Joe being in the van with Haleigh, and that is where his story comes from. He is too chicken sh… to rat this guy(s) out, either out of fear of what they or Ron will do to him. Plus he can’t recall all the facts of that night.
Tommy stays there, the lights still on in the MH, he has to make it look like an abduction. He props the back door open (like he does in all of his burgalaries) and splits home. He gets there and him and Lyndsy argue about him being out all night. The dog goes crazy barking. The cops are called to their address.
Meanwhile, Joe doesn’t know his way back out of the woods. As he races back to Timmy’s, scared out of his wits, he scratches the van and there are bushes stuck in the headlights. He parks it in a different place at Timmys and passes out in his clothes.
Misty wakes up (for whatever reason) and she notices the kitchen light on. She goes that direction and needs to use the bathroom. She notices the back door wide open and Haleigh gone. The last she remembers is that Tommy and Joe were there and they were f’d up. She remembers her ‘dream’ somewhat and possibly some squeaking? She calls Tommy’s house to see if he is home. She calls Timmy’s and asks if Joe is there.
Logical deduction for Misty is that ‘it is possibly Joe who took Haleigh’, but then again, she knows and says that ‘the back door is set up with a brick just like Tommy does in his burgarlaries’. Hmmmm, who to believe?
Tommy figures Misty doesn’t remember, and he really can’t remember either, so heck, could of been Joe. So they go with that story. Only cops say that Joe is ruled out.
So, Misty now doesn’t know what to think, except hmmm, maybe it was an abduction? Look at the other side of the family.
Tommy tries hard to convince Lyndsy (and us) on the jail phone that he ‘knows what he is doing when he is high on pills’. “The truth is in the lie”. Maybe he does think he knows what he is doing when high on the pills, but what does that have to do with being high on Meth??
So, Tommy is freaking out, thinking that maybe he ‘did do’ something to Haleigh and that he doesn’t remember. So, he isn’t going down for it, which makes him first try to trick Misty into making it out to be Ron and that doesn’t work, so he blames Joe even more. He says that he remembers Joe telling a story about being able get away with killing someone if you put them in the river for the alligators to have.
LE, in their brilliance and glory, take that and run with it. They make it more than what it is. But they fail miserably. His not so bright lawyer blabs it all too, in his regretful scene now.
Lyndsy finds out the rest of what Joe told LE and wants a divorce. She now knows he was involved with this. Maybe she gets immunity for telling the truth about what she knows about that night, about him not being home like she first said?
Maybe LE now has the story I just told above, so they move him from where he is for his own protection. He has decided to rat out these guys. He doesn’t know their names or who they are.
(Tommy convinces Lyndsy that he lied to protect her and the kids).
(Ron is fed up with Misty and Tommy and all the BS, so he is throwing them under the bus on the drug deals).
(Misty is pissed that Ron turned his back on her, since she still really doesn’t know anything).
LE goes silent. They want no more talk from the trio or their families. They are going to find out who did this. Let’s pray they do, and SOON.
That’s my theory, and it fits for me. Explains everyone’s actions.
WhyLie, I agree regarding the balancing of the sentencing. I am all for mandatory sentencing for murder, child molestation and rape charges and think they should be higher than the current mandatory guidelines for drug charges. That does not mean that I think the current mandatory guidelines for drug charges should be lowered at all, I just think that the sentencing guidelines for murder, child molestation and rape should be MUCH higher and longer than the current sentencing guidelines for drug charges.
mlee said,in July 4th, 2010 at 10:38 am @beautiful*adams {cent},
Reading through the comments, your comment about Misty begging Crystal to believe her..
I totally agree.. Something that people need to stop and look at, they have a pre-conceived concept of misty.. She was a teenager, into drugs, sex, rocknroll.. Just like several million other teens are today.. Heck I could list a dozen or so, that I watched grow up with my Granddaughter.
Thus with the pre-conceived ideas, Misty must be guilty after all, she’s a teenager and she went to a wild party, and she’s living with this man ten years older than she.. She has to be the guilty person here.. After all she’s the one PCSO is looking at..
What if, she’s not?? What if she is the scapegoat?? What if she doesn’t know anything??
What if she had to make up the time line of the night from the time ron left, until ron arrived? What if, she did this for ron? What if she were not at that residence until after 1:30am.. What if she wasn’t ask to babysit until late, to cover between what time ron would normally get home and the time he expected to get home… 2 hours.. But in that 2 hours, she arrives only to find Junior and no Haleigh?? It would explain how her entire time line comes out a lie… All made up, and she’s stuck in the Muck.. and all others walk freely around.. Who would ask her to make up the story to cover for the night?? Ron?? Tn??
What would misty know?? NOTHING..
Then if you look at Tommys statement from last September.. If it were true, it would back up what I just said… NO ONE WAS AT THAT TRAILER, that night.. Just as the AC man may well have found no one at home at 5:00pm.
So where do the real answers lie…
with ron and tn… they know more than they have ever said.. might be the reason that they covered for misty so intently in the PUBLIC eye..
As long as PCSO spins in circles with what misty has told them so far.. they will never come close to the truth..
As far as this last episode with Tommy and PCSO, I think it was their last ditch effort to just frighten Tommy into telling what he really knows about that night.. And it is possible, although no one wants to believe, that he really knows NOTHING.. He’s like misty, caught in this world of muck, and they don’t know what to do..
Joe, not wanting to come down to Putnam for a visit.. are you kidding.. the boy has had more fingers pointed at him that we can imagine, and with all the nutz running around putnam, would Joe be safe.. I think not..
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Great Post Mlee!!!!!!!!!!
If people looked at it the way it is instead of how they want it to be they could see that too! jmo
Thank you for the info, both LadySadie and WhyLie.
I think there is an imbalance in many states because there hasn’t been an widespread outcry against sex offenders (especially of children) and maybe of murder either.
Last Christmas we read about the abduction, rape and murder of 11 year old Sarah Foxwell in Maryland – BY a convicted sex offender. At the time, some state politicians said they were going to work for longer sentences for SOs because that guy should not have been out of jail in the first place!
Mlee,If my husbands murder was judged the way I wanted it to be,I wouldn’t be typing this now!
Sad thing is,in reality it isn’t!
In all reality, Misty HAD to know she was sorta/kinda being watched? After she had all of those interviews and interrogations with LE, WHY in the flip did she feel she had to sell drugs? Did she need the $50 that bad for cigarettes? She would not be behind bars right now if this hadn’t gone down. She has been failed from the get go… from her parents and then her parents’ parents. She never had a chance.. She has her chance now to better herself by agreeing to some education and religious intervention in jail. I truly think all of us bloggers would be more accepting of her if we saw any indication that she really wanted to turn her life around. Everyone deserves that last chance.. whether it is to quit smoking, lose weight, drinking, etc…. Let’s hope she can make her life the best at this point, regardless. I do believe she should serve time for her crime. BUT, I also feel it is not too late to try and get A BETTER LIFE.
the system simply doesn’t work that way!
the system simply doesn’t work that way!
Guys,
Alexs’ Mom took a turn for the worst and she may not be here for awhile but lets keep her and her Mother in our thoughts and prayers today right up there with Haleigh and all the others who need it!
ilovetheshowmadmen said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 11:57 am
In all reality, Misty HAD to know she was sorta/kinda being watched? After she had all of those interviews and interrogations with LE, WHY in the flip did she feel she had to sell drugs? Did she need the $50 that bad for cigarettes? She would not be behind bars right now if this hadn’t gone down. She has been failed from the get go… from her parents and then her parents’ parents. She never had a chance.. She has her chance now to better herself by agreeing to some education and religious intervention in jail. I truly think all of us bloggers would be more accepting of her if we saw any indication that she really wanted to turn her life around. Everyone deserves that last chance.. whether it is to quit smoking, lose weight, drinking, etc…. Let’s hope she can make her life the best at this point, regardless. I do believe she should serve time for her crime. BUT, I also feel it is not too late to try and get A BETTER LIFE.
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Excellent post iloves! In total agreement!
Cent great post. The only part I question is if M was out part of the time – why doesn’t she just say that? (except that R would be furious I guess).
It would mean she doesn’t know what could have happened. It does not implicate anyone. And it does not mean that TN or R know what happened either.
Hugs to Alex’s mom.. and thanks Lady.. I think you and I have ALWAYS been on that same page……hugs to you, too!!
Great post Iloves,and i have already seen it in Misty!
In the tape where she said,”this is not punishment,make me work,make me do things,and now I can get an education because I HAVE too!”
No one cared enought to MAKE her go to school!
Thanks, iloves. Alex’s mom? I haven’t seen her post is her mom ok?
And (((hugs))) to you to.
that is the most heart breaking of all, CJ.. her own mom can’t read or write… she can only be a cleaning woman because she CAN’T read a menu to be a wait staff person or WRITE the order down. I do know that where I live, there are grants that allow people in homeless shelters to start with counseling, mental health doctor visits, and then even on to the local community college where courses can be taken for GED…
I could ONLY hope this could be offered to Lisa/Hank/Misty, and yes, Tommy.
It was odd,Like the “troll” who came in last night below
Granny 23 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:19 am Misty was out of control long before she met Ron-she’d been out of control for several years-as her parents admit.
Growing up in a drug addled home sure didn’t help-but she made the decision to get with Ron all on her own. Maybe she was looking for a free ride-or drugs or love-whatever, she got a lot more than she bargained for.
Granny 23 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:28 am She was 17 when she got with Ron-and had been with men before that, so I don’t consider her a child. She made some very bad decisions, but she’s responsible for her actions. No one forced her to do anything.
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I just cannot see how a heart can get so hard against a teenager! and the shock was some agreed with Granny! Teenager = A non adult!
They can’t even buy alcohol or vote but lets hang em, when they make mistakes! jmo
iloves, I thought Lisa could read and write, that it was Hank, Sr. that couldn’t? I thought Lisa was the one that reads the letters to Hank, Sr? Lisa’s problems stem from long term addiction to both drugs and alcohol.
Amen ILoves!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A little kindness goes way farther than hatred!
iloves, the last post I saw from Alex was about how her mom was in the hospital refusing a blood transfusion, that she was hoping she makes it through the weekend until her regular doctor gets back and can talk her into the transfusion. Has she posted since then?
Notice,as her parents admit!
My God,they were in a drug fog too and they were responsible to her! but were they? No but i’d bet my BMW that I don’t own they’d give all they own to change it now! jmo It’s just sad that it took this to open their eyes but it has and i am certain of that!
Now they could change alot and make better choices!
Hank Can’t at all either he said!
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:07 pm that is the most heart breaking of all, CJ.. her own mom can’t read or write… she can only be a cleaning woman because she CAN’T read a menu to be a wait staff person or WRITE the order down. I do know that where I live, there are grants that allow people in homeless shelters to start with counseling, mental health doctor visits, and then even on to the local community college where courses can be taken for GED…
I could ONLY hope this could be offered to Lisa/Hank/Misty, and yes, Tommy.
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I agree,if heartbreaking even fits as a description,Its beyond disbelief!! jmo
While we would all like to believe, that putting Misty in jail will offer her the opportunity to change, become a better person, get her life in order, find God, get educated, get out of prison and become a contributor to society rather then a burden, the fact is that is not how it usually works.
Do we really believe that at 18 that Misty and Hope will serve 15, 25, 50, or more years in prison and come out of it being better then when they went in? I just don’t see that happening.
Now if they were sentenced to a shorter time period where they were offered the help and rehabilitation and where they could see light at the end of the tunnel for themselves to still be able to get out of prison and still have enough time to have a fulfilling life, then yes I can see it.
Our youth does not perceive time as we do, to them a year is a long time, 15 years is an eternity, 25 years a lifetime, what motivation will they have to change their lives when they are facing those kind of years behind bars?
Iloves,You know they wake up everyday knowing that the choices they made have caused them to lose two of their children basically!
I’d say most days they wish they didn’t wake up,That would be so hard to do! jmo
exactly right Whylie,even Hope got that right when she said She’d come out worse,she was being a smart alek as teens do,but little did she know,its really true!
You have to have a survival mode to even make it out alive let alone better!
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:11 pm It was odd,Like the “troll” who came in last night below
Granny 23 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:19 am Misty was out of control long before she met Ron-she’d been out of control for several years-as her parents admit.
Growing up in a drug addled home sure didn’t help-but she made the decision to get with Ron all on her own. Maybe she was looking for a free ride-or drugs or love-whatever, she got a lot more than she bargained for.
Granny 23 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:28 am She was 17 when she got with Ron-and had been with men before that, so I don’t consider her a child. She made some very bad decisions, but she’s responsible for her actions. No one forced her to do anything.
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I just cannot see how a heart can get so hard against a teenager! and the shock was some agreed with Granny! Teenager = A non adult!
They can’t even buy alcohol or vote but lets hang em, when they make mistakes! jmo
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its strange how some want misty skinned alive and call that “justice” or “thats the florida man/min”..is this what the people of florida expected when the man/min came into effect? To be used as an ENTRAPMENT tool by LE?
LE has blundered their way thru this entire case. Misty never “cracked” because she has nothing to crack about, she wokeup and haleigh was gone, period.
WhyLie, that is why I have been kind of speculating to myself the reasons for Misty’s attorney being so quiet, and not bringing attention to the fact that both her Putnam and St Johns trial dates were set for the same day. And also the reasoning that the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron and the reasoning his continuance has been denied.
This is all speculation on my part but…..I have a feeling that Misty’s attorney has a deal in the making that would get her sentenced as a Youthful Offender. The prosecutors would not want this done BEFORE Ron’s sentencing because then his attorney would start whining and crying on tv about how unfair it was to him for Misty to get a deal and not Ron. But once Ron is already sentenced any whining done about a deal made with Misty would be “too bad, so sad”.
Cathy Jo, I love how you label every newcomer or anyone who doesn’t agree with you a troll..It’s quite amusing.
If this so called “child” didn’t want to be arrested and charged with several counts of trafficking, all she had to do was walk away.
She looked all excited and snappy when the deals were going down.
My husband and I raised and college educated three children-never had any of them in any trouble, but saw some of their acquaintances travel down that dark road of drugs of their own volition. Not their parents fault, they were all from good stable homes.
Maybe that is why I just can’t relate to the drug scene and all the evil it manifests.
I saw this documentary on i believe youtube,Omg it just broke my heart into……the prisoners bet amongst one another which new inmate will make it through their first night in prison! And who will be the first to breakdown and cry and it can be heard through the entire place!
Ya know,Thats absolutely so sad!
Thats when reality hits!
I did not label anybody,I just don’t agree and i refuse to read the rest because I know the intent behind it!
comment deleted. I have warned about this kind of stuff. I WILL NOT tolerate everyone new that comes in here being called a TROLL just because you disagree with them and I MEAN IT!
?Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
I agree OJ!
Granny 23 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Cathy Jo, I love how you label every newcomer or anyone who doesn’t agree with you a troll..It’s quite amusing.
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Granny 23, it has actually gotten to the point that is no longer amusing. Didn’t read her post to you, after Jan closed down a comment page because of the total disrespect shown to the owners of this blog and total disregard for all other posters on this blog by this one poster, I made the vow to just scroll past all posts made by this poster as soon as I see the name. So please do not judge all other posters by just the one and feel free to join the rest in discussions.
Thats all you gotta do,scroll past!
RIGHT SCROLL PAST IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON’T AGREE WITH. I DIDN’T SAY IT WAS OK TO ACCUSE ANYONE OF CALLING OTHERS NAMES ONLY FOR THEM TO SCROLL PAST IT. IT MEANS DON’T START A FIGHT WITH ANYONE AND CALLING THEM A TROLL BECAUSE THEY ARE SAYING SOMETHING YOU DON’T AGREE WITH IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT STARTS A FIGHT. REMEMBER THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO. YOU DON’T HAVE PROOF OF YOUR OPINIONS EITHER SO THEY ARE CONSIDERED YOUR OPINION TOO SO TRY TO RESPECT THE OTHERS AS WELL IN HERE FROM NOW ON.
JAN BARRETT – BNN EDITOR
AND btw… I DID DO THIS IN CAPS ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lady.. I am only basing my comment about Alex’s mom through CJ’s comment about her not being on here. Personally, I know nothing more than that post. I don’t email anyone off the board…
hope this explains…..
are you going to listen to the radio show today?
I fully intend to, but I was just addressing your calling me out as a troll because I do not agree with you, and because I have not posted here before this past week.
iloves, yes I will be listening to the show, blog with you there, lol.
Also that explains why I didn’t get your comment about Alex’s mom. (See previous comment, I have been very good at keeping my vow to myself)
Well, welcome Granny 23.
And Granny 23, very sorry you were subjected to name calling in your first week of posting, please know that most of us welcome newcomers (as we all were one once). Hope you will stay and share your thoughts on the subject and hopefully one day we will see Justice for Haleigh.
hey Granny, welcome…. happy fourth to you…
and honestly.. call it entrapment.. whatever.. MISTY screwed up… she will get prison time… BUT she should be doing EVERYTHING possible to redeem herself this minute…
She like everyone else on her should get a second chance at redemption… hers will be behind some bars.. BUT SHE CAN do it.. and hopefully she has a decent attorney who is helping her this moment to better herself!!!!
LadySadie, I think Ron’s lawyer is doing what a defense lawyer should do, try to get a deal, try to get continuances.
If new evidence, witness came to light then the attorney should have time to deal with it. If not then I would think that it might (don’t know for sure since I am not an attorney) open doors for appeals.
Why would the judge not grant a motion for continuance? We know a certain person accused of molesting children has been granted several and after a few years still has not gone to trial.
I think Ron is going to plead out, take what he gets, and pray TC gets sent to the same prison.
Thanks, Lady Sadie. I’ve been following this case since the beginning, and have my own thoughts on it.
What I was trying to address was this whole drug mess that these young people have gotten themselves into.
Well,Maybe I was wrong to label someone a troll because I have had too many experiences with nics I have never seen before,who come for attack,If i accused wrong,I am sorry!
But anymore a “troll” to me is not a bad person,A troll in my definition is a new nic! jmo
Yea, WhyLie, I don’t understand all the ins and outs of the continuance business, LOL. But I think that if the defense can not show a good reason (such as they did not have any new evidence or new witnesses) and the prosecutor objects to the continuance then the motion can be denied. I really think the prosecution has decided to NOT offer any type of deal for Ron and are saying lets just get on with it.
right, Granny, and MISTY COULDA SHOULDA said NO to it!!!!
I’ve been talking with Granny 23 on the Caylee thread for days! Welcome to the Haleigh thread, Granny 23.
To quote Jan from when she closed down the last Haleigh thread:
Jan: “EVERYONE is welcome to post comments here, they are welcome to voice their opinions even if no one else agrees. PLEASE remember this when you want to disagree, which can be done in a civil way though.”
Granny 23 any new thoughts or insights are welcome. Everyone has a different perspective to this whole business, and the sharing of the differences sometimes helps others look at things in a new or different way.
Thanks, m2c, for posting that reminder from Jan. Hopefully all will show Jan the respect she deserves and have consideration for the other posters here and not cause problems that would force Jan to either ban that one person or close all comments altogether.
LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:54 pm Yea, WhyLie, I don’t understand all the ins and outs of the continuance business, LOL. But I think that if the defense can not show a good reason (such as they did not have any new evidence or new witnesses) and the prosecutor objects to the continuance then the motion can be denied. I really think the prosecution has decided to NOT offer any type of deal for Ron and are saying lets just get on with it.
I asked my son about what a continuance meant, and he basically said the same thing as you (he’s a lawyer-Thank God his specialty is internet law).
They don’t need to be dragging these drug cases out forever.
Which is the reason I made the vow to scroll past a certain poster, I lost all respect for them when they showed such total disrespect for Jan.
and thats all i meant,there are some who don’t like others opinions so they go for the lets get them banned thing right off the bat!
Everytime someone disgarees then a new nic shows up pouncing,thats all i assumed it was,Sorry!
But I will admit when I am wrong! n/p lol
so not another word from me,lol about the trolls situation!
Oh, goody Granny 23, your son is a lawyer, we can “pick” his brain by proxy of you for the legalities we don’t understand.
Thanks, m2c, These cases are really disturbing, and reading what others think about them helps sort out my feelings. All I know for sure is that two precious children are gone-one forever, one most likely gone.
I read on the web this morning that the Kyron Horman case has a new twist as well.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html
I posted the link earlier, but it was probably buried in the flurry of comments.
phone dtr
LOL! My son thinks I invest too much time worrying about things that are beyond my control, but he wil usually answer any law or computer questions I have.
I think the D/A told rons lawyer to ‘pound sand’ with regards to a ‘deal.
Maybe that will be their tone with misty at this point as well.
OJ,If you’re still here i found the poem i wrote for Haleigh again last night,lol but it was when i believed with my heart and soul ron was innocent in any of it!
But for the holiday i thought I’d post it!
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in January 31st, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Haleigh’s Smile!
We don’t know where you are
or even if you’re near or far,
But we will be looking until the day
We finally hear someone say
We found her and we know her by the smile
her granny told us she alway’s had even if it take’s awhile
I know your daddy is aching and torn up inside
But don’t you worry because he has alot of people who want you back by his side,
And if it take’s forever he will find you wherever you are
And I know he’s looking from his heart,the only way he can,
and his family and friend’s on the outside are doing what he can’t
So hold your head up high and keep that pretty little smile
So we know it’s you when he get there
And you will see him again wherever you are
Regardless if it’s near or far!
Exactly, jaba, The DA is not obligated to accept any plea deal. They may have more information that they have not released to the public as of yet.
I do think that Ron , with his prior arrest record, will not be getting any deals.
Misty may be another atter altogether, but she was caught doing the deed. It is a bit suspect that they waited until after her 18th birthday to arrest her, but we will have to wait and see how it all plays out.
God Bless You Haleigh,Wherever you are!!!!!!
True Granny,we just have to wait!
i think sometimes ol’ timers here get “lurkers” and “trolls” mixed up…xxoo cathyjo 🙂
Hiya MrsM,good to see you this morning,lol or afternoon..lol
How are you 2day?
waiting is a hard thing sometimes!
mrsm said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
i think sometimes ol’ timers here get “lurkers” and “trolls” mixed up…xxoo cathyjo
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Still no excuse for the constant name calling, jmo.
right Mrsm,you say potato,I say tater! lol
LadySadie.. so what’s up today? You enjoying your 4th?
What are doing today Mrsm,for the 4th? anything fun?
i’m good CJ,kinda bored,nuthin’ to do 🙁 also kinda sick of the walkin on eggshells thing! i might become a lurker 🙂
Yep, I’m looking forward to someone going to trial so I can hear actual evidence.
Misty may be ‘starring’ in that movie by mid august.
Will celebrate with some neighbors later this evening, but up until then just relaxing and doing laundry, LOL. Will listen to Simon & Jan’s radio show at 5:00 my time then when the fireworks start over the ocean in Jax Beach will sit out in our backyard (condo shared backyard) drink a couple beers and enjoy the show all from the comfort of home. Couldn’t ask for a better evening!
nuthin’ fun 🙁 kids are camping with friends so there is no one to cook for….thats usually what i do on holidays 🙂
Right,I can understand! but others can always find something to complain about when they make the time to look for the tiny things when theres nothing big! so just be Mrsm! lol
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my daughter asked me to go to a concert with them but i don’t think i really wanna,just don’t know yet! lol
wanna do SOMETHING…jus nuthin to do. really lost without a crowd to feed
besides,there can’t be any fireworks left,They were constant here last night from around 9 till 4 am,LoL I gettem free,lol
Perhaps it was Ron that turned down a deal. Maybe the SA was wanting Ron to do something he decided he did not want to do. Either side could have not been satisfied and decided against making a deal.
IMO the State was foolish in not hammering out a deal with Ron (if they haven’t) in exchange for his testimony. If Fields is working on entrapment, or if he is able to get the videos tossed out, which does happen by the way, then the State sure would be able to make good use of Ron’s first hand knowledge about Misty’s drug use/sales history regardless if she has no arrest record.
To avoid entrapment the State will have to show that Misty was prone to that lifestyle/behavior/activities prior to the UC contacting her. Who better to testify to that (or against it) then Ron.
Maybe Fields will use Ron to testify at how LE has targeted Misty and told him they want Misty behind bars because of Haleigh being missing.
The State not making a deal with Ron may end up biting the State in the butt.
is there anything fun going on at Jax beach during the day LS?
I just can’t see spending hundreds like some i know do,to watch it go up in smoke when they’re everywhere anyway! lol
I’ll be spending the afternoon and evening with my DIL and my grands..BBQ, then fireworks at Sea World.
I am smack in the middle of a huge subdivision,Man they get great fireworks,LoL Mrsm! 😉
amen cj…maybe i will go cook 4 the neighbors lol
My Grandson in in Ky with his other grandparents so I am by myself too! 😉
omg,I bet firewerks at sea world are spectacular!
Jaba, I love your posts.. you just bring it all back to reality…. you going to listen to the show today and then chat??
food always tatstes better when somebody else does the cookin’
My stomachs growling now! ,Mrsm! 😉
Hear it……’Ribsss and cornnn on the cobbbbbb!
Don’t become a lurker MrsM!
I just caught that! then I’d think of ya as a troll,in a good way tho,lol Not all trolls are bad! just like people! lol jmo
Actually there are fireworks displays all over the city tonight. Downtown at the Alamo, at one of the Air Force bases, and at Fiesta Texas (I believe).
Since we have season passes for Sea World, it just makes sense to go there.
When you don’t learn your lesson, punishment should follow. Enough is enough. But its all been said before and only others around them pay the price.
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Look at this case for example.
Well,I don’t doubt for a 2nd they’re beautiful in the city! I love city lights anyway! lol 😉
Holidays or not!
mrsm said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
is there anything fun going on at Jax beach during the day LS?
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Not sure, LOL. Didn’t check since I knew I could watch the fireworks for free. Usually they have lots going on around the pier area. I am not crazy about the huge crowds and having to look for a parking place so usually don’t go.
There is this home down here and every christmas people flock just to see it,you would not believe the display on their lawn,course they have a huge piece of property,lol even helicopters made with xmas lights and such! OMG Gorgeous!
I don’t doubt in key west they have good shows for the 4th either,I was there but not for a holiday,A harley ralley but oh its beautiful!
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:29 pm right Mrsm,you say potato,I say tater! lol
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no one says “tater” cept on the beverly hillbillys
Ils,
I may pop in on the show today. Did last week. I’m waiting on a poster to call in and question cobra about his last adventure but I doubt it will happen. All talk, you know? 🙂
I may fire up some old skool ‘jiffy pop’ on the stove before the show. Just got to watch my butter drippings. Lol
I should explain i guess,the rally wasn’t in KW but we went from the rally,lol 😉
you’re crazy too OJ,i do! I am 100% hillbilly,ask Treece,lol she laffs her butt off at me! 😉
I say Mater too!
LadieS,
Do you have ‘turbo scroll’ on your keyboard?
When humans invented words, it was for a purpose. So we’d all know what the heck each other was talking about. The word, “troll” has a very specific meaning when used in reference to the internet (as opposed to those hiding under bridges in children’s stories which is where it probably came from).
So we all know what we’re talking about, even newcomers, a “troll” is defined as “Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]
People posting on this thread for the first time, whether we all agree with their opinion or not, are not all trolls.
Mrsm? are you still here?
you may have a different opinion m2,but i just don’t share it! lol
I do know my own thoughts? What I think is what I think? jmo lol
no reason to fib about that! jmo
i would not have said it had i not meant it!
I would have simply said I am sorry i misjudged you!!!!!
Exactly m2c, that is the accepted, WELL KNOWN, definition of internet troll.
jaba, no special scroll button, just self discipline to adhere to my vow to scroll past, LOL.
brb phone
and I am sure if jan reads these she will see who keeps it going,jmo
So i know I am not breaking her rules!
I am saying my opinions when someone puts words in my mouth! jmo
k. jaba, will look for you…
i am scarfacethemovie
I can not believe the lengths some of you will go just to get CathyJo riled up. If you don’t like what she has to say, why don’t you keep it to yourself and STOP with all the tag team bullshit.
Ils,
I may call in and listen. Need to run a few ‘firework’ errands.
Jan will probably address the issue today.
Thank you Adams,I am glad some see it!
Thats why I said i should say the rally wasn’t in KW but i went there afterwards because any one tiny little err causes a gang to pounce!
And a person should be alllowed to say what they feel!
I have even tried being cordial but it does not work and I am tired of not being able to talk to the ones who do not do that for the sake of being attacked,if they can’t find anything they look for the tiniest! I am sorry but I don’t keep it going,I try so hard not too get it statrted but it does not work! jmo
I think somme forget we are supposed to be here for Haleigh,not movies and popcorn!
This is a holiday and man!
OJ’s glove said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:29 pm right Mrsm,you say potato,I say tater! lol
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Really? Guess I’m a hillbilly then. I say tater salad and mashed taters. Might said naders instead of tornadoes and more than likely will say maters 😉
In all fairness, Cathy Jo, you attacked me for having the audacity to post my opinion and called me a troll. I said nothing about you. PERIOD.
use turbo scroll!
What do you have going on today Adams?? fun??
Hi all. After reading some of the previous posts, I want to tell you who I am. SWF no kids, no pets no husband. I have Multiple Sclerosis and use a walker indoors and a wheelchair outside. I do not see that well unless I am staring at it. Thus, my new best friend- the computer. I am a disabled-retired teacher. Before that I worked for the County Governemnt. I hope this thread can stay up. I look forward to taking my time reading all of your posts. I try to interject humor and kindness. I respect Jan and Simon to much to respond to someone else about negative comments.
If you read my other post you would see. JMHO
CathyJo, I love you dearly and consider you one of the greatest internet/surfing buddies that I have made her at BNN… I hate to see how the select few have decided once again to nit-pick with you, even after Jan asked that the feud NOT be carried over. I am angry and disgusted by this nonsense… I will spending more time away from here!
did I not apologize Granny,what else can i do,I answered you,i spoke to you!
Granny 23 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Actually there are fireworks displays all over the city tonight. Downtown at the Alamo, at one of the Air Force bases, and at Fiesta Texas (I believe).
Since we have season passes for Sea World, it just makes sense to go there.
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Lucky you, they canceled all of the stuff this weekend because it won’t stop raining..rain,rain, rain, rain, rain..
Me too Adams,Honest! It can’t be done in a way to defend Haleigh anymore,its become attack the people who have a heart!
we are all here for HALEIGH…
focus
Respond/don’t react
HALEIGH……
Tame, Glad to see you and I hope you have a positive experience here!!
Granny 23, I see that you live close by. I can see and hear the Alamo fireworks from home, so I am avoiding the heat and crowds. Have fun at SeaWorld.
If it were not for Haleigh,I would not even be here now,but this is where i commited to Haleigh I would stay until she is found but it cannot be done in peace!
iloves, the show should be interesting today, Simon said he and Jan were going to be meeting with Zach Pittman’s family yesterday. Hopefully they have some news on that end. But I really hope they give Haleigh more air time than the last few shows.
and thats wrong!
Where are you vaquera? We had all that storm nastiness this past week, but we got enough rain so we could have the fireworks!
WHERE’S HALEIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CathyJo, no nothing fun, my sister is forcing me and one of my nephews to BBQ. I’m missing my 17 yr old baby… since my car blew-up last Monday, I can’t see him till my other car is souped up.
20 minutes til the show, I had the times mixed up it is 3:00 their time, 4:00 my time, LOL.
Hey Tame.. welcome.. happy fourth!
iloves, it’s going to be a 2 hr show again.
Mines broke too Adams,it smoles more than I do!
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We will be running our regular program on July 4. I don’t want to tip my hand, but this will be explosive. We will be looking at the latest information in the Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, and Zachary Pittman cases.
just did a cut and paste here for the show today… 2 hours, fellow chatters! Hopefully the large cap posters will be shooting some fireworks elsewhere!!!!!!!
LOL, know exactly what you mean iloves, that is why I love the ignore feature on the shows chat section.
and in all fairness Granny,I was not including you in the “gang” this has been going on for weeks! It is not you!
Lady, waiting for the “explosive” hoping the HaLeigh info is first this week!!!!!
No kidding. The Marinade Dave nuts have ruined the show and chat for the last 2 weeks.
I feel that some think they are starring in their own movie and we have to watch.
Look at gma hollers.
Thats why i suspected you,honest!!!!! I am so sorry!
Yep, vaq, and that same caller that keeps trying to call and disrupt the show, LOL, Simon and his oops button.
and now I will drop it again!
Granny 23 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Where are you vaquera? We had all that storm nastiness this past week, but we got enough rain so we could have the fireworks!
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about 4 hours NW of you,LOL We’ve had 8 straight days of rain and no sun. My tan is fading fast. LOL
jaba said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I feel that some think they are starring in their own movie and we have to watch.
Look at gma hollers.
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😉 , I do believe we are on the same wavelength on this, LOL
CathyJo, you did what you should have done. You apologized… lets move on!!
Thank You Adams,Will do! lol
Lady, yep… I used it on 3 last week… especially the one that came in with the Casey locker room story or whatever that was… t weeks in a row was way enough of that…
Dakotas in ky Adams,so I doubt I’ll do anything!
Get all the firewerks i want free,lol
Is he? Is Ota ready to burst?
iloves and the 2 snoopy’s with their HUGE, bold type, I put them on ignore because they take up too much real estate and never have anything worthwhile to say, LOL.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 12:53 pm edit
Well,Maybe I was wrong to label someone a troll because I have had too many experiences with nics I have never seen before,who come for attack,If i accused wrong,I am sorry!
But anymore a “troll” to me is not a bad person,A troll in my definition is a new nic! jmo
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CathyJo that is indeed wrong. Just because it is a new nic does NOT mean a troll, and I’ll thank you to remember that. This has got to stop as I have asked several times before but this is the last time
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
I wish a neighbor would call in, or a relative.. someone who would just totally tell it like it is….
and poor Kyron.. that story just breaks my heart. I just can’t get past why his own mom didn’t have him.. I don’t get that….
Haleigh is the reason, yes.
But we talk about gym memberships, sick family members, tragedies of the past, fireworks….should we stop? And just talk Haleigh? I don’t have a definitive answer on what happened to her, sorry. Wish I did.
Yea, iloves, that whole Kyron situation is another strange one.
she’s going to split wide open imo Adams!
Countdown, 3 minutes
Jaba, for myself? I am here for HaLeigh.. and I love to read insight from everyone.. I have truly learned alot and love what some have brought to this case. It is hard to disect it.. I just wish something would break soon…
chat with you soon!!
Lady.. ha! hurry up and log in!!!
WhyLie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:38 pm WHERE’S HALEIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am coming out of lurk mode for a second. Best post of the day. OT. Did anyone hear that Terry Hormon may have been trying to hire someone to kill Kryon’s father. This is getting worse than the Cummings/Crolins family. I did not think that was possible.
I am going back to lurk. Happy 4th all
“see” you at the show iloves, it is getting ready to start.
Don’t worry about it Jan,they win,I will not be back,you obviously do not see the real wrongs,they taunt and taunt,and i for one am sick of being blamed,if you go thru all of them you would clearly see that,I have every single lure ccp and ,and Jan…i did apologize,Obviously i had the wrong impression of you!
Why do you only choose my posts when its evident Jan that it is not me!
If you are because of the brown nose comment,i did not say that to offend you,I just got fed up with her doing it and running to you to get her out of it when she already worried you didn’t have enough time!
But I do know my conscience is clear!
Everybody,anytime you need me all you have to do is email me! love you guys dearly!
iloves, I noticed I had to re-login to the show.
Guess you all are happy now!!
The biggest take away I got from the show concerning Haleigh was that some on the panel believe tommy is involved based on werters 2 statements.
Perhaps they are right.
Pcso contacted simon thinking simon had a tip based on the wording of this article. Simon was talking about the pittman case with his words.
Someone from pcso wanted to try and work the tip if there was one. Simon made the point that le cares.
I agree.
I wonder if someone sent the link to pcso or they read here at times.
jaba, I really think pcso keeps up with Simon and Jan’s articles
Jaba–I was under the impression that PCSO had the right people in jail, hence the questioning/interrogating. I also thought the case was solved. Why would they need a tip when they can “squeeze” the truth out of Tommy and Misty any time they choose? Frankly, that tells me they have nothing/not enough evidence to charge nor convict anyone. Why would the PCSO need a tip from a blogging forum to start with, hence the call to Simon. If PCSO hadn’t of alienated the public in the first place (not taking tips seriously for example) then this investigation might not have dragged on this long in the first place. I take heed in what John Walsh has stated “The public will find the child, not the police. You need the public’s help (paraphrasing)”. As far the statement analysis of the lawyer, I tend to look over some of this information (however enlightening and interesting) when the expert cannot spell the lawyer’s name correctly. LOL. Thank you for the information about the show since I cannot listen. It sounded pretty interesting and put some things in perspective for me (like the status of the investigation). JMO
robin, LOL, I thought the same thing about not being able to spell the lawyers name.
One thing keeps coming back to my mind that KP had stated one time. I am going to paraphrase since I don’t remember her exact words but she said You can lie to the media all you want, it’s not against the law. As long as you don’t lie to LE, no problem.
That was in reference to question she was asked about HER lying to the media and the public.
Whats funny WhyLie, is our own local media (news4jax) keeps spelling his (Werter) name wrong. Geez, don’t journalist have to take spelling classes anymore?
No Lady, they don’t… I seen, I had went, we hadn’t of gone.. it’s a w f u l!!!
CathyJo63 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 2:53 pm edit
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CathyJo63 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 3:01 pm edit
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I will address this the best I can…
I have no clue who you are talking about when you said something about someone running to me for something. I didn’t have anyone run to me. I told everyone that we was going to keep the other threads open but the very first one that starts something will be banned. And yes you did start by calling someone a troll and then you plainly explained to everyone in here that your opinion of a Troll was any new nic that comes in here which I certainly do not approve of.
That is definitely unfair to everyone else. Do you think it would have been fair to everyone if I had just shut down yet another thread and punish them all for your words left in a comment? I don’t think so. I will say you are not the only one that does this. In fact a lot WERE doing it so I am being forced to track down all the comments left after I go to bed at night to make sure it doesn’t happen again which is not an easy job, and one that should not be necessary but apparently is after what I read last night.
You can say what you want about me but there is no one in here that can honestly say that I have not given fair warning in here instead of banning because I have. I was hoping that we could start over without all the trouble but I guess it is impossible.
I apologize to anyone that this has hurt but please give me a break and stop and think about this. I just want to keep BNN peaceful and a comfortable place for everyone to discuss these cases. Unfortunately it seems that some are determined to get us shut down by not respecting everyone else. I really am sorry and trust me I don’t like being the bad guy but it is part of my job. We want all new comers to feel welcome and insinuating they are a troll is insulting without proof before the accusation is made. I hope you all understand.
Have a great time with what is left to our 4th of July. I guess you can say mine has been ruined now. God bless you all!
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
LadySadie, LOL, I probably spell it wrong too but I’m not trying to impress anybody with my expertise.
Jan, my 4th is certainly not ruined. I understand what is required of you to do. You have given all of us opportunity after opportunity to do the right thing. My honest opinion is that you were fair, you gave it one more shot, and then it was done.
And for what it is worth… the show today was so good and I am so at peace that all of us are on the same page for HaLeigh… I honestly feel that WE are her family and we have to speak for her and advocate for her. For me, I am not on this blog to read in excess about a blogger’s personal life that isn’t pertinent to myself or this case. That’s what personal email is for.
Back to HaLeigh and the respect that Jan and Simon warrant. If you notice, I jump in pretty much everyday with HaLeigh as my subject. That is why I am here..
she is the focus….
thanks…. for listening….
Does anybody think that LE has enough evidence to get a warrant issued by the Grand Jury?
So are we NOT to talk about personal matters? I thought that is what makes us human, by being able to come together and share AND get insight into worlds that are beyond some of OUR comprehension. I will not stop talking about my “personal” life, unless I am instructed to do so by Jan & Simon. The reason being, is because I have been helped by many good souls here, because I opened up and shared, and I am willing to do the same for others. I am grateful for that, and for the many other “personal” revelations that have come from the BNN family of Bloggers!!! What may NOT be relevant to you, just may be the one personal story told, that helps someone get thru the night!
They may have, WhyLie. LE has been pretty much silent about things lately. Maybe they are waiting until this drug mess is settled?
JMO
If you read my post, I said that is not my reason to come on a blog, bac..
Please don’t get defensive on my opinion that I choose to explain for myself. No, I am not on any blog site that is for a missing person to talk about too much more than that subject.
Don’t read into anything more than what I said was relevant to me. Thanks.. have a good evening…
wow! AGAIN??????????
I’m not being defensive, I am being direct and honest! I am offering up an explanation as to why some of us share our “personal” life.
does anyone know if the Tommy court date will be on live tv?
lol, no, iloves, I don’t think Tommy’s court date will be on live tv.
New article, wrap up of todays show, faster load time.
http://www.bloggernews.net/124850
Thanks, Lady… you had mentioned earlier that you thought it was at 1:30p? This would tell me that on Tuesday evening that JVM and NG may have it on their shows….
Well….hmmm, there seems to be a recent change to Tommy’s court docket, just going to list the latest entries.
UCN: 542010CF000147XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: SENTENCING
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T JR
06/03/2010 35 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 07/06/2010
06/03/2010 36 REQUEST FOR PSI
06/08/2010 37 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-06-2010)
06/08/2010 38 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-06-2010) IN JAIL
06/14/2010 39 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED (NOT IN OUR JAIL)
06/15/2010 40 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
07/01/2010 41 MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF
07/01/2010 41 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING
07/01/2010 41 HEARING SET 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM
07/02/2010 42 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM
07/02/2010 42 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF
07/02/2010 42 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING
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So it looks to me like Tommy’s court date has been changed to 7/16 at 2:30 pm.
so nothing this week?
how did you find this??? and thank you…
iloves, go to
http://www.putnam-fl.com/coc/
Then click on “Online Inquiry System”, accept the agreement, then click on Criminal Docket, then type in croslin% (make sure to put the %).
Hello everyone, the above change is just another seperate court date for the jail incident not his sentence for the drug charges on the 6th. He will be in court on the 16th to prove cause in the supposed mistreatment lately. jmo
They are two seperate court dates one is for the drugs on the 6th and the one on the 16th is for what happened while he was in PC jail.jmo
I cant believe here was bickering again, everytime i leave these days i come back to find its happened again! BA cent i am glad you were here to say what you did. i totally agree and think it is all a big shame. Not trying to bring the subject up again,just had to voice my opinion cuz i find it sad.
i think bnn needs a chatroom
Even the reporter in this video calls Tommy’s lawyer, Warner instead of Werter.
thanks Tobias and LadySady
sorry, LadySadie
yw, its easy to get confused until you look at alot of the court dockets doing research, after awhile you get the hang of it. lol jmo
New article.
we do mrsm, we have a forum connected to BNN but most people prefer to chat in here instead.If you want to join it go to the top of this page and click on Forum and it will take you to where you have to sign up, Once you sign in you just have to wait for an email to confirm your acceptance. Using your name that you use in here makes it easier but not a requirement. I do prefer it though.
Jan Barrett
Thanks to you all for your support in here. To all the emails I have received I thank you for them as well.
I am not a hard one to work with and I do believe in second, even third sometimes, chances and I will be the first that I might not always handle things the way someone else would. I know I am not always right (don’t tell Simon that though because I think I finally got him convinced that I am always right LOL)so perhaps that is one reason I do give chance after chance.
So I do appreciate all of you that do support us here. I would be sad if anyone else decides to leave but I had to do what I had to do and yes some got hurt but in an open chat I guess that is to be expected.
So I hope you all have had a happy and a safe 4th of July. Relax and enjoy what is left of it. God bless you all 🙂
Jan Barrett
Jan, I think we (or at least in my case) it is much easier to chat here because you and Simon keep the articles so up to date. We read the article and just start chatting from there.
Hope you were able to salvage your 4th.
BTW, tell Simon I love his accent, get a real kick out of the way he pronounces pizza, sounds like he puts a “r” in there, LOL.
Lillymae said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I think that this is only for Tommy’s complaint.
07/01/2010 41 MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF
07/01/2010 41 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING
07/01/2010 41 HEARING SET 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM
07/02/2010 42 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM
07/02/2010 42 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF
07/02/2010 42 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING
I believe the sentencing date of 7/6 still stands as is.
Lillymae said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
542009CF002113XXAXMX for Tommy still shows 7/6 with no additions.
UCN: 542009CF002113XXAXMX
File Date: 11/06/2009
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: SENTENCING
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
11/06/2009 1 ARREST REPORT – PCSO D/S ALITZER (ARREST 11/5/09)
11/06/2009 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-4578
11/06/2009 1 POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
11/06/2009 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
11/06/2009 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 11/6/09
11/06/2009 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
11/06/2009 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
11/06/2009 2 $1004.00 SECURED BOND SET CT. I
11/06/2009 2 $ 504.00 SECURED BOND SET CT. II
11/06/2009 3 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
11/06/2009 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER AT FIRST APP HEARING
11/09/2009 5 $1004.00 (A-1-24 HR CITY BEST) #2229313
11/09/2009 6 $504.00 (A-1-24 HR CITY BEST) #2229314
11/09/2009 6 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FLORIDA
01/28/2010 7 INFORMATION (POSSESSION OF SCHEDULE II SUBSTANCE)
01/28/2010 8 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (POSSESSION OF
01/28/2010 8 PARAPHERNALIA ONLY)
01/28/2010 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03/02/2010) IN JAIL
01/28/2010 10 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03/02/2010)
02/03/2010 11 MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIVISION 52
02/03/2010 12 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIV 52
02/03/2010 12 ARR TO BE RESET
02/09/2010 13 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR
02/09/2010 13 A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE
02/09/2010 13 ENDORSEMENTS THERE ON FILED BY:JAMES WERTER (FAX)
02/09/2010 14 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY (FAX)
02/10/2010 15 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK
02/10/2010 15 FOR COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE
02/10/2010 15 ENDORSEMENTS THEREON FILED BY: JAMES WERTER (ORIGINAL)
02/10/2010 16 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY(ORIGINAL)
02/16/2010 17 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND
02/16/2010 17 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT
02/16/2010 17 OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS THEREON
02/16/2010 17 FILED BY: JAMES S WERTER (FAX)
02/18/2010 18 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND
02/18/2010 18 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT
02/18/2010 18 OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS THEREON
02/18/2010 18 FILED BY: JAMES S WERTER (ORIGINAL)
02/22/2010 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03-31-2010)
02/22/2010 20 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
03/31/2010 21 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY
03/31/2010 21 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
03/31/2010 21 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
04/06/2010 22 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05/13/2010)
04/06/2010 23 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (05/13/2010)
04/29/2010 24 MOTION FOR ORDER COMPELLING DISCOVERY
05/06/2010 25 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
05/06/2010 26 WITNESS LIST
05/06/2010 27 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
05/13/2010 28 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
05/13/2010 28 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
05/13/2010 28 CONTINUED TO 06/03/2010
05/17/2010 29 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (06/03/2010)
05/17/2010 30 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (06/03/2010)
06/03/2010 31 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
06/03/2010 31 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO POSSESSION OF
06/03/2010 31 SCHEDULE II SUBSTANCE
06/03/2010 31 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE
06/03/2010 31 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 07/06/2010
06/03/2010 32 REQUEST FOR PSI
06/03/2010 35 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
06/08/2010 33 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-06-2010)
06/08/2010 34 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (07-06-2010)
LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:29 pm WhyLie, that is why I have been kind of speculating to myself the reasons for Misty’s attorney being so quiet, and not bringing attention to the fact that both her Putnam and St Johns trial dates were set for the same day. And also the reasoning that the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron and the reasoning his continuance has been denied.
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Why do you say the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron? Last I heard both sides were negotiating. Have you heard something since then? As for a continuance being denied, can you tell me where I can find the reasons for the denial?….I thought we only had the court docket which doesn’t say who filed the motion or the reasons for it’s refusal. Where did you get that info?
@ mrsm said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
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Thank you!!
UCN: 542010CF000145XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: TRIAL
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
01/21/2010 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (1/13/10)
01/21/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
01/21/2010 1 TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE MORE THAN 14 GRAMS LESS
01/21/2010 1 THAN 28 GRAMS
01/21/2010 2 WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 3 ARREST REPORT – 1/20/2010
01/22/2010 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 10-00276
01/22/2010 3 BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 4 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO FLAGLER COUNTY
01/22/2010 4 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY, FLORIDA
01/22/2010 5 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
01/22/2010 5 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS
01/22/2010 5 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF
01/22/2010 6 SOURCE OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL
01/22/2010 7 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
02/03/2010 8 INFORMATION – TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE (14G – 28G)
02/03/2010 9 MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR TRIAL
02/05/2010 10 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
02/05/2010 11 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
02/09/2010 12 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE
02/10/2010 13 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
02/10/2010 14 WITNESS LIST
02/10/2010 15 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
02/11/2010 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010) IN JAIL
02/11/2010 17 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02-18-2010)
02/17/2010 18 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/17/2010 18 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (FAX)
02/18/2010 19 ORDER SETTING CASE FOR PRETRIAL 03/31/2010
02/19/2010 20 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/19/2010 20 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (ORIGINAL)
02/23/2010 21 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-31-2010) IN JAIL
02/23/2010 22 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
03/03/2010 23 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
03/17/2010 24 NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY
03/31/2010 25 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
03/31/2010 25 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
03/31/2010 25 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
04/07/2010 26 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05-13-2010) IN JAIL
04/07/2010 27 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (05-13-2010)
04/26/2010 28 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 29 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/06/2010 29 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 30 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/06/2010 30 STATE’S MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
05/06/2010 30 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT’S
05/06/2010 30 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
05/07/2010 31 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/07/2010 32 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/07/2010 32 ISSUED TO: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/07/2010 33 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/07/2010 33 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/10/2010 34 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (FAX)
05/10/2010 35 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)
05/11/2010 36 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/13/2010 37 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/13/2010 37 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
05/13/2010 37 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/13/2010 38 ORDER SETTING TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/28/2010 39 LETTER FROM ANNETTE SYKES
06/07/2010 40 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-19-2010)
06/07/2010 41 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-19-2010)
06/15/2010 42 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
06/28/2010 43 MOTION TO CONTINUE
07/01/2010 44 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TRIAL DATE AND
07/01/2010 44 GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE
mlee said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 10:38 am
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I do believe that there was some coaching going on that night. Although Misty is a hard on to figure out, I think there are/were some folks so close that they knew just how to manipulate and take advantage of her youth, lack of education and upbringing{re:HaLeigh}.
LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Didn’t read her post to you, after Jan closed down a comment page because of the total disrespect shown to the owners of this blog and total disregard for all other posters on this blog by this one poster, I made the vow to just scroll past all posts made by this poster as soon as I see the name.
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In fairness to CJ, Jan closed the comment page down due to 3 posters, not just CJ. I don’t think telling newbies that CJ was the only problem is at all helpful.
But in any event, welcome to BNN Granny!
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beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:24 pm I can not believe the lengths some of you will go just to get CathyJo riled up. If you don’t like what she has to say, why don’t you keep it to yourself and STOP with all the tag team bullshit.
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My thoughts exactly. Jan came in and wanted things to finish, but Lady and a few others just keep posting about it over and over. It’s feeling a bit Lord of the Flies in here. Aaaarrrrgh.
Tame4Justice said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:33 pm Hi all. After reading some of the previous posts, I want to tell you who I am. SWF no kids, no pets no husband. I have Multiple Sclerosis and use a walker indoors and a wheelchair outside. I do not see that well unless I am staring at it. Thus, my new best friend- the computer. I am a disabled-retired teacher. Before that I worked for the County Governemnt. I hope this thread can stay up. I look forward to taking my time reading all of your posts. I try to interject humor and kindness. I respect Jan and Simon to much to respond to someone else about negative comments.
If you read my other post you would see. JMHO
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Welcome to BNN Tame4Justice! I think we all love and respect Simon and Jan but at times it can get a bit tense. But, you have found the very best place to read and blog about Haleigh and I’m glad you’ve joined us!
me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:29 pm WhyLie, that is why I have been kind of speculating to myself the reasons for Misty’s attorney being so quiet, and not bringing attention to the fact that both her Putnam and St Johns trial dates were set for the same day. And also the reasoning that the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron and the reasoning his continuance has been denied.
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Why do you say the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron? Last I heard both sides were negotiating. Have you heard something since then? As for a continuance being denied, can you tell me where I can find the reasons for the denial?….I thought we only had the court docket which doesn’t say who filed the motion or the reasons for it’s refusal. Where did you get that info?
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*me*, that is why is said “speculating”. It is all based on my “best guess”. Sorry didn’t mean to make it sound like I “knew” anything others didn’t, as I said just my “speculating”.
me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
My thoughts exactly. Jan came in and wanted things to finish, but Lady and a few others just keep posting about it over and over. It’s feeling a bit Lord of the Flies in here. Aaaarrrrgh.
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Excuse me! I have NOT responded to or even READ one of CJ’s posts in DAYS. I am not the one that came on and started calling new posters nasty names. I was very offended that certain posters could not respect Jan enough to honor her requests so I made a decision to not even read their posts, so you are somehow trying to blame something on me?
Me- I seem to have lost Jan’s e-mail.Would you please post it for me?Lately I have enjoyed your posts very much.Also Bac’s.I like people who share ideas and not being mean to others. tia
Grandma of 5, I posted Jan’s email address on the other article where you asked for it. But here it is.
jannyo@gmail.com
tobias said,in July 4th, 2010 at 7:57 pm Hello everyone, the above change is just another seperate court date for the jail incident not his sentence for the drug charges on the 6th. He will be in court on the 16th to prove cause in the supposed mistreatment lately. jmo
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Thanks for straightening that out for us Tobias. I knew you wouldn’t stay away til the 7th! Wish you had come back to better news.
mrsm said,in July 4th, 2010 at 8:00 pm I cant believe here was bickering again, everytime i leave these days i come back to find its happened again! BA cent i am glad you were here to say what you did. i totally agree and think it is all a big shame. Not trying to bring the subject up again,just had to voice my opinion cuz i find it sad.
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I feel sad about it too. I don’t always agree with CJ, but found her one of the most delightful forum posters I have ever come across. Nice to be agreeing with you on something!
Yes, Tobias, was wishing that when you came back we could tell you that Haleigh’s case had been solved, but alas we are no further along and everything is same ole, same ole.
LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 10:02 pm me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
My thoughts exactly. Jan came in and wanted things to finish, but Lady and a few others just keep posting about it over and over. It’s feeling a bit Lord of the Flies in here. Aaaarrrrgh.
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Excuse me! I have NOT responded to or even READ one of CJ’s posts in DAYS. I am not the one that came on and started calling new posters nasty names. I was very offended that certain posters could not respect Jan enough to honor her requests so I made a decision to not even read their posts, so you are somehow trying to blame something on me?
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I was referring to the fact you couldn’t let it go and just kept posting about CJ over and over. Poor CJ….she’s been a friend to so many here for a long time and I really feel for her and what has happened and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Grandma of 5 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 10:05 pm Me- I seem to have lost Jan’s e-mail.Would you please post it for me?Lately I have enjoyed your posts very much.Also Bac’s.I like people who share ideas and not being mean to others. tia
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Thank you for that Grandma! And I enjoy your posts! Did the link Lady posted come up ok for you?
*me*, I never mentioned which posters I was not reading, that is an assumption that you for some reason made.
You do realize this is Jan and Simon’s blog not the CathyJo Show right?
Lady,
Please don’t try to start with me. I’m not going to take the bait.
*me*, then do not try and lay blame with me when it was someone else’s decision to disregard Jan’s requests and to attack new posters and continue to call other posters by nasty names.
Lady,
For goodness sakes…stop already.
WhyLie said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Does anybody think that LE has enough evidence to get a warrant issued by the Grand Jury?
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not just no, but hell no. All they have is what Misty/Tommy told them.
vaquera said,in July 4th, 2010 at 11:15 pm WhyLie said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Does anybody think that LE has enough evidence to get a warrant issued by the Grand Jury?
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not just no, but hell no. All they have is what Misty/Tommy told them.
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LOL! ITA. Silly PCSO. They must not teach them how to “investigate” cause all they seem to do is listen to people who use drugs and hope they solve the case for them and then lose the plot and threaten them when they don’t.
Me- I did get Jan’s e-mail.Thanks for asking.I also enjoy Cathy and Bac.Have a good evening.I am going to bed now.The 4th of July parade is tomorrow. It goes past my son’s house.We watch it and then have a cookout together.Everyone is so busy it’s good to be able to get together for family. I hope and pray there is news of Haleigh very soon.Take care
Grandma of 5,
Hope you enjoy your 4th of July celebrations with your son! Sounds like fun.
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