Oops–typos–can be brought home–

if you are still here Robin,LoL Gonna go read this,not ignoring ya,lol

Beautiful fireworks to you Robin!!!!! LoL
Thank You!

I read the statement analysis too and I couldn’t get past the misspelling of Werter. Crazy huh? Lawyers always speak legalese so I don’t much credence in that statement at all. Did he ever (Peter) do an analysis of the Sheffield/Griffis side, especially Marie, since she has made some outrageous statements? I would really like to see any analysis of her interview with Geraldo when she mentions the Georgia or Alabama statement. JMO

The statement she made,Haleighs alright,she’s just crying for her mommy and daddy!

Frankly,IMO He has said a few things I don’t buy! PH?

BRB Ota,phone

CathyJo63 said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:45 am

Somebody said she tried to set TN hair on fire at a vigil,I never saw it,have you?
I just thought thats crazy but I’d like to see the video,LoL For myself!
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what vigil? One of the earlier vigils I believe she had a lighter in her hand since she smokes..geeze someone has to make something more than what it is..

Cathyjo, can u direct me to the video of marie and crystal with shepard smith? This does sound rather odd…would like to have another look see.

Cricket–I agree with you. They have said some suspicious things in my opinion too. I have not seen so much of Johnny Sheffield but Marie have said some things off the charts.

sure,;et me find it,brb

afternoon cricket..

go to youtube,type inHaleigh Cummings Mother & Grandmother – CFLNewschat.com
especially watch from 3:20 mg is so obvious,jmo

when cs says I got a call at 3:49 that she was missing and MG actions just speak out louder than words! jmo

robin said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:37 am I read the statement analysis too and I couldn’t get past the misspelling of Werter. Crazy huh? Lawyers always speak legalese so I don’t much credence in that statement at all. Did he ever (Peter) do an analysis of the Sheffield/Griffis side, especially Marie, since she has made some outrageous statements? I would really like to see any analysis of her interview with Geraldo when she mentions the Georgia or Alabama statement. JMO
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Right but maybe he wants us who are hillbillies to understand his language,like “werk” lol j/k
but I see what ya mean!

not Lisa,gr Linsey!

Thats a good question tho NativeTexan,I hadn’t thought of it but looks like if they lived with Tommy then they’d know more about that night,I dunno?

Hi Cricket,Happy 4th!

Native Texan said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

Does anyone know where Lisa and Hank Sr. were living when Haleigh went missing? Were they living with Tommy and Lindsay? or did they move in right after Hank’s accident? I know he was in the hosp. that particular night. But was Lisa living with them?
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it was after the accident.I believe they were living over by the dock that was searched. I remember hearing/reading early on the Ron/Misty and the kids went to a barbeque over at their house a week before that happened.I am not sure if they moved in with Tommy or Timmy after the accident though.

I think its very possible Native Tex!
I don’t think Misty did anything but she maybe didn’t want ron to know she went anyway!
Odd imo?? But my theory is still the same,LoL Bt then again I don’t just have one,one every 2 minutes maybe,LoL

Patty G finally got the video up of Werter on Jane’s show yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/3/F31YwvoFVCk

Happy 4th to you CathyJo and to everyone else.

Thank you too Vaquera! I just remembered reading the article titled “neighbors from hell” and seeing the pic of the old furniture and toys left for somebody to clean up. The article stated that and also said Hank Sr. and that the kids and everbody around there was very glad the last of the croslins moved. Said the chilren were all scared of them. I bet they moved in when Hank got out of the hosp. Probably had no way to pay their rent and had to get out.

Natice,because honestly if they DID do that to Tommy,they could have forced him to say he was involved or did it! jmo

Native,they probably were and imo too,I’d say it has been peaceful since Rons in jail too,imo people were intimidated by him too!
They got both of em gone now,shewwwww

Oh also,IIRC Native,One of Mistys calls to WBG was from the hospital? Someone else will correct me if i am mistaken!

I know your theory Cathy and I agree with you every step of the way, just speculating a little outside the box I guess. I know Lisa and Hank hightailed it to Tennessee shortly thereafter. Maybe they were just running from the check forgery business, but I sure hope she doesn’t have anything to do with it too!

CathyJo I just listened to WBG tape your right.

NativeTexan–Werter is Tommy’s attorney of record for the drug charges, which is what Tommy is incarcerated for. Anytime they question or interrogate Tommy, no matter the topic, Werter is Tommy’s present attorney, and should have been notified either by Tommy or LE. Tommy has the right to refuse any interrogation by LE and his constitutional rights should have been upheld. I would hate that LE would jeopardize this case by trampling on someone’s basic civil rights. JMO

right Cricket,so oh what a mess!
and now,if rights were violated just to get 3 druggies off the street,There goes Haleighs RIGHTS TOO! and her Justice!
I don’t condone the drugs,at all…I hate drugs now but Haleigh was way more important than 3 druggies out of millions,And now i wonder if it wasn’t done on purpose,these le behaviors on the case is unexplainable!

CathyJoe: ha ha, I am serious. You can google that article and see the junk sitting out there. Some old broken plastic recliner and other junk. Said it was the last of the croslins Hank Sr and Lisa and the neighbors were very glad, plus all the kids, cuz they were scared of them! I don’t blame them, I would be mighty standoffish as well. Anyhow, back to TC. I know we don’t know for sure if he did do anything, but since Tommy has already implicated himself by saying he knows Haleigh was dead in that MH and where she was put, I think he is definitely involved. Interesting on the Hardy son ratting. I forgot he shot his pumpkin teeth mouth off when he first got there. lol. When he smiles at Lindsey, all I can think of is a Halloween Jackolantern. I was curious as to how ol Ronnie boy was taking to him? any news on that one?

Carried the mattress outside,,didn’t take the door….it’s a mistake that should have been routine with these officials to make certain they did it right!

so how do you know whose lying!

Robin I Know you are legally right and I am not at all skilled or educated in the legal field, but what about Haleigh’s civil rights and issues, If he knows and was a party to her demise, and is intentionally withholding information of a murder, then LE should be able to interrogate him. Aterall, didn’t he voluntarily talk to 3 or 4 LE investigators and take them to the dock? Doesn’t that mean anything? and can’t there be an attorney or something hired for Haleigh’s rights? or is that just nothing since there are no charges?

I think they should have been worried more about every child at that bus stop that day! jmo

I just read Peter’s blog (first time), and I must say I am wondering if he posted it before or after my blog of yesterday! These two cases really seem to hit home for me. One thing I’ve been wobbling back and forth about is the question of whether or not “my” sociopath (and revenge was the name of her game), was sexually abused as a child. I’ll agree, the Bible really does help. I think if enough good people are praying, the truth will come to light on these cases. It may not be on OUR preferred timetable, though. “With exactness grinds He all.” I do believe that.

Cathyjo, I don’t really care whos drugs they were, did he get charged with possession of narcodics within 1000 ft of a school? if not, he should have been.

Alethea,I assume you’re speaking of casey,sa?
I don’t know but i do know something somehere in life along with being born to SINdy has invaded her mind,body and souls!

I got upset yeterday b/c I read some letters and in this one Sindy writes to casey and says “get calcium and ” plenty of Sunshine”
for one,how do you do that in jail or prison, two…It reminded me of Caylee’s favorite song!
When she sang “You are my sunshine”! jmo
Then cindy tells her she knows she was framed,when i read that,the end! I quit!

Anyway MeTinks,it was where you get your kids from at the bus stop? or drop them off….school,church,pool…kids are known to frequent bus stops,thats why he should have been charged hard!!

Haleigh Cummings Update: Tommy Croslin ArrestedPosted on November 5th, 2009 by Jan Barrett in All News, Society and Culture, crimeRead 7,873 times.This just in from TJ Hart – Jan Barrett

The brother of Misty Croslin, the last person to see a missing Satsuma girl alive, is once again behind the bars of the Putnam County jail.

Hank Thomas “Tommy” Croslin Jr. was booked in to the Putnam County jail Thursday morning at 11:40 and charged with misdemeanor narcotic equipment-possession or use and a felony drug charge for possession of a controlled substance without a prescription.

973.The Sky spoke with Lt. Johnny Greenwood to ask if Croslin’s arrest had anything to do with rumours of an ambulance call to 116 Tyler regarding a 42-year-old man frothing at the mouth and how this arrest might impact other cases pending against Croslin. Greenwood replied:

“I have spoken with our Communications Center and we have not had a rescue call at 116 Tyler Lane today. Regarding your question of Tommy Croslin’s bond on the previous arrest, that will be up to the judge or possibly the bail bondsman that bonded him out last time. If there was a condition in his bond paperwork concerning any future arrests, the bail bondsman could possibly move to have his bond revoked if he/she desires.”

Tommy Croslin was recently released on bond regarding the alleged theft of a gun from his blind neighbor. This is the same neighbor his mother, Lisa Croslin, is accused of stealing checks from and forging at least one of those checks for $400.

While awaiting bond on his gun theft charge, Tommy Croslin told investigators he didn’t think that his sister Misty Croslin was at home in the 10pm hour that February night then 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings was taken while she was being watched by Misty.

Misty Croslin was the babysitter for Haleigh Cummings and a Ronald Cumming Jr. before marrying the children’s’ father, Ronald Cummings Sr., shortly after was abducted from the mobile home they shared in Hermit’s Cove near Satsuma, FL.

Just weeks ago Misty and Ronald divorced and young Haleigh is still missing.

Haleigh is described as a 5 year old white female. She is approximately 3′0, 39 lbs, blonde hair & brown eyes. Unknown clothing description.

Haleigh was last seen at her residence in the Hermit’s Cove area of Putnam County on February 9, 2009 between the hours of 8-10pm.

A statewide Amber Alert has been issued. An additional $30,000 in rewards have been posted.

If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637).

TJ Hart

Re: Tommy Croslin Arrested – AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
by Wrapitup on Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:43 pm

.The brother of the last person to seen Haleigh Cummings before the Putnam County kindergartner disappeared in February has been arrested on drug charges.

Hank Thomas Croslin, Jr., 23, was charged with possession of a controlled substance and drug paraphernalia after he was found slumped over in the front seat of a van near a school bus stop in Satsuma.

Putnam County investigators who responded to a report of a non-responsive person said they were told Croslin, whose sister Misty Croslin, 17, was the last person to see Haleigh, had not moved after dropping his son off at the bus.

He told deputies he had dropped his son off at 8 a.m. and taken a nap because he was sleepy, according to a police report.

Authorities said the arrest is unrelated to the disappearance of Haleigh, who remains missing. Her 6th birthday was in August.

Deputies found methadone, hydrocodone and other narcotics in the van during a search just before 9 a.m. Thursday.

Hank Croslin lives about a block from the intersection of Buffalo Bluff Road and Tyler Street in Satsuma where he was awakened by rescue personnel, according to a Putnam County Sheriff’s Office report.

He was charged and jailed in lieu of $1,500 bail.

In September, he was charged with grand theft of a .38 caliber handgun that was reported missing by a former neighbor. He was questioned then about Haleigh’s disappearance but authorities said it was unrelated to the theft arrest.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-05/story/brother_of_misty_croslin_arrested_on_drug_charges_in_putnam_county

Sounds to me like meth isn’t his problem. WTF?? He drops his child off at school and passes out in his vehicle? What kind of father does that? These kids need to be taken away and NOW. DCF needs to get involved and not sweep this under the carpet like they did with Ronnie boy.

Tommy and lisa stealing from the blind…what a pair.

oh guys,the comment on that last article on the bottom was not mine,lol just so yas know,jmo

brb

Hm,They still have that article up with those pix of Lindsey! Thought they’d removed it!

You’re right Cathy! I read one article where he said he was taking a nap after dropping off his kids. Good God! at the bus stop for 2 and a half hours? The bus must come around 8 or 8:30 and it was 10:40 when they arrested him. Tells you he must have been out all night doing whatever he does best! and then tries to blame his father and his father denies it. Heck they got into a fight over drugs too, although it was said DVD’s or something. Either way, you don’t have children in a dirty old trashed out van with narcotics and then pass out. No sympathy out of TX for that loser!

AND WITH OTHER KIDS THERE,NOT JUST HIS,HE ENDANGERED ALOT THAT DAY AND GETS OUT ON 1,500??

Right Native,they didn’t have to set up a sting,they had him but let him go! jmo

I just have a feeling they flubbed it all up for their own reasons,jmo still

Excellent Robin, you are absolutely correct. I can fully understand LE’s frustration with this. I feel the same and know I shouldn’t. I just want to know who is responsible and have Haleigh either laid to rest properly or know that she is safe and sound. The anxiety is horrendous! I respect your theory and you might be absolutely correct in that none of the infamous 3 had anything to do with it. But I just feel like they are all out to outsmart the police and investigators by the old “they ain’t got no proof” statement. Drugheads all think they have the god given power to get away with everything. I personally do think they are involved and all made a pact to stick together and not reveal anything. They know they are going down, all of them, so why not just take that (drug convictions) instead of Murder and conspiracy. Those three little words ” I don’t know” go a long way. Stick with that and nobody can make you say anything else or I was somewhere else (werk, store) that is halfway verifiable and you got it made. This is how I think these people’s minds work. Expecially Tommy, that was his remark about the B&E, but again, Robin you might have it right! I don’t think the Sheffs/Griffs had a part in it. Just don’t think they could be bothered or provide any better for Haleigh. I think there may have still been hostile feelings towards Ronald, but don’t think they went into that MH at whatever time that night and removed Haleigh from her bed.

No, jaba, LE has not released any information regarding evidence gathered. They also have not released if they finger printed all members of each family or not. And I would not expect them to release that information.

Also I thought the reason Ronbo had to sleep in a tent was because for over a month they did not release the MH, it was taped off and was a crime scene. The “tour” of the MH that TN did with the media was over a month after Haleigh went missing. We do not know what evidence LE collected while they had the MH sealed off as a crime scene.

We also do not know if LE has investigated the maternal side of the family, just because the media has not focused on them does not mean that LE has not been investigating them.

Thank you Jan for putting this up today…. Hello to all.. Happy Glorious Saturday….

let’s find HaLeigh! Or at least try to blog and figure out what we can do to help….

Morning Oj,
Hello’ Ilove,
Its hot here but beautiful too,lol

Misty + selling drugs = prison time

she made a DUMB decision….

as did Ronald and Hope….

she has hung herself, OJ in this matter

it bothers me so MUCH that there is no movement in this case. SOMEONE must know something….

I don’t know if these people aren’t smart enough to cut a deal or what the hold up is? SOMEONE: please come forward. How can you live with this for almost two years?

Hugs and prayers for little HaLeigh…

Hey ils! 🙂

Native, robin, lady and ils…excellent posts.

I feel the same way on almost all of it.

I still think misty takes it to trial which will be a great watching experience to COMPARE what we DO KNOW against what we DON’T KNOW. Can’t wait.

Robin,

You don’t have to pretend to be a detective…I think you already are. 🙂

and August is next month……

I hope misty takes the stand so we can hear from her how she got caught up in all of this trafficking.

Was it entrapment or just your run of the mill sting, based on tips, used in police work everyday, with high success.

It will be interesting.

I keep telling you Tommy is in trouble with his plea and his attorney might be in trouble with the bar

Felony murder is you intend to committ a fellony, any felony, and you can be charged with any murder that occurs, any murder.

Tommy’s lawyer should never, never, have allowed him to plead guilty with no deal on the table.

What’s the felony murder connection?

You cannot plead your client guilty if you have no deal, you don’t know what the prosecutor is going to reccomend, or how the judge is leaning

I love the show– The legal definition is “an unlawful homocide that occurs in the commission or attempted commission of a felony” even where the perpetrator did not intend to cause death. (For example is a death that occurs during a bank robbery). I had to look up the definition to be correct. John–Look at Peter Hyatt’s link in the article to see the connection with felony murder.

I think its obvious that Misty was targeted with the UC operation in order to get her into jail so that they could try and find out info on HaLeigh , there is no way that they thought that she was a drug lord and that they were just cleaning up the streets, Ron ,Tommy, and Donna got themselves involved but even though LE states that the cases are completly seperate its hard to not believe that HaLeigh was the initial motive.

That being said was it illegal entrapment did they go beyond the law, maybe , maybe not . My ex did some UC cases and from what I saw in the arrest reports it seems in line with what they can do in order to arrest a drug dealer ,and even if it was entrapment it seems very hard to prove

personally I do disagree with how PCSD has handled this case and I don’t think locking any of them up for drugs is any where near “Justice” for HaLeigh jmo

Ok I will but I am hardwired so drop me a paragraph.

You have to remember every law enforcement officer in the state dreams, creams, to be the one to solve the Haleigh Cummings case.

Tommy played with their emotions. He took them to the river. said he was present where haleigh was dead. Saw her thrown in the river.

Then he does what: Changes his mind; changes his story; Clams up.

Jeez, law enforcemt feels royally jerked around. They were so close to glory and misled

Reading the transcripts for the JVM show, I’m not seeing the ‘big’ slip as it’s being called as a big slip. In context of the interview of the lawyer, the threats are charging with felony murder…lawyer states Tommy is not guilty of felony murder.

It’s not as if lawyer slipped, tossing in thoughtless words that might imply Tommy might be guilty just not of felony murder. While the lawyer did not seem like the best lawyer I’ve ever heard questioned/interviewed, it really does not seem like some stupid slip implying guilt of any murder. The comment was following the questioning.

Now if it has been stated as a question ‘is your client guilty of murder?’ and lawyer responded with ‘Tommy is not guilty of felony murder’ than it’d be a stupid slip and something to play up.

Did I miss speculation about what felony Tommy might have committed? Theft of a firearm or helping to dipose: after the fact.

These statements were intrieging and not nearly so agregeous as his last TV appearance wherin he allowed Nancy Grace to crossexamine him and drag some incriminating statements out of him.

Alright, Why Lie and Robin: Well hell yeah!

Now You’re talking. law enforcement did roll the dice with Tommy. And it does sound like Tommy may have told them what they wanted to hear.

I want to ask you both: what was James Werter’s part in all of this?

James Werter, in my honest opinion, has played a big role in where Tommy is today. He sold out his client to LE by way of the Sheffield PI, Steve Brown. Why would ANY lawyer let his client talk to the PI to discuss the results of a LDT BEFORE LE? I mean is that even ethical? Then that massive, expensive river search ensued. Steve Brown got his plug into fame with this “I solved this crime” mantra. And Werter was going to ride the coattails all the way to the bank. I think his lawyer sold him out and now trying to make amends by going publicly with the threats and intimidations that Tommy has suffered at the hands of LE by his “River Version of LIES”. Werter knows his allegiance should have been with his client, Tommy. Maybe Werter now realizes that his client was only spinning the tales LE desperately wanted to believe. To me, they are all at fault for putting their trust in Tommy to tell the truth–and Werter just might feel the brunt of that with the Bar Association, if it ever goes that far. JMO

Too bad LE wasn’t outside the mh when Haleigh went missing, but we didn’t have that luxury.

They have to start an investigation from step one. The 911 call is that step. Since then, lies have been told.

Some lawyers are better than others becasue they work harder at it and like any other profession, they get paid that way and their reps are better.

I don’t know if wereter sucks or not, but, if you can’t afford a johnny cochran, who’s to blame? The justice system?

All lawyers graduated and passed the bar, if your lawyer sucks and you have commited a crime, then that’s on you. You should have been a rich criminal. :).

Seriously, an indigent defendant gets a lawyer, and that lawyer can be fired or changed.

The convicted can appeal and get another lawyer that the taxpayer pays for.

Why do I jave to ‘pay’ a lawyer just becasue I have been fortunate to make good money. I don’t sit on my ass and not work and save for a rainy day. I don’t get a ‘freebie’ check from the govt at the first of every month. I get paid for work.

I think our system of justice has enough safeguards for the poor. Its not perfect but how would one change it to make it better?

There are remedies and relief than can be had through the system if anyone has been wronged.

I just hope that tommy does know what happened to Haleigh. I really do. I want her laid to rest somehow and the perp or perps punished, by the law in all respects.

On the river search:
Suppose tommy did say haleigh was thrown there by joe, who was in town. Wouldn’t we hammer le is they HADN’T searched there? In case tc was finally telling the truth?

Le doesn’t know what happened when you call 911. They have to go from there. Some crimes are easy to solve. This one isn’t. None of us have figured it out that we know of.

What we don’t know, sucks, big time. But we aren’t satsuma le, so we sit and wait and hope and pray, for resolution.

WhyLie–Well said (your 5:13 post).

Werter may be doing what he thinks is best for his client. Maybe tc said he killed her and now werter wants to limit his exposure to murder and raise reasonable doubt as to who killed haleigh to save HIS client. Maybe le has something that weter knows that we don’t. I know I haven’t talked to tommy at all during the last 18 months so I don’t know what he’s told werter.

Robin,

I feel ya’ 🙂

I certianly aren’t directing comments to you on this. I respect your thoughts very much.

I also see your point on the perhaps ‘giving up’ on one scenario or another. I was just trying to point out that I feel most of us want all things looked in case its true. Which is expensive when the liars misty and tommy have been blowing smoke, imo.

There isn’t a price tag on life but le has other crimes coming at them left and right from current ‘pillbillys’ and other scum that makes them prioritize time and funds.

If these pillheads had one ounce of compassion for what their addiction has casued their families, that would be start. I think they deny, in their minds, that it isn’t a big deal…until they are caught. Then its poor me. Imo anyway.

vaquera said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm jaba said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm

Have we heard exaclty what evidence from the mh was gathered? What prints and all?
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No forensics found outside of what would be there and even Marie said the same thing…but if it is Tommy his prints and DNA would be all over the place anyway. If it was someone that is ex LE they would know to wear gloves.
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Excellent post Vaquera! True too isn’t it that if someone had worn gloves there would likely be smudging of prior prints found on say the light switch, door handle etc…?
hmmm.

As in smudging VS finding intact prints or even perhaps a wiping clean of all possible prints and such?

IIRC at some point it seems to me that Misty had claimed that she was cleaning the MH that night. Is this correct?
Well if true, I do wonder what all it is that she claimed that she had actually cleaned?

TC and his lawyer have convinced me that TC was in some way involved with Haleigh’s murder. Although the Sheffield theory and the SO theory all have their merits and i believe they are possible…i cant buy into them. i cant take tommy out of the equation no matter how i twist or turn it. I dont know how anyone can. The most telling part is that Tommy and his lawyer have made it that way! To me that means that LE has evidence that ties TC firmly, though we are not privy to it. People trying to lie their way out of stuff admit only to what there is proof of and deny everything else. jmo

WhyLie i agree with you, and realize that the lawyers have obligations to their clints, but time and again this lawyer has shot tommy in the foot. This speaks to exactly what you said, LE has evidence on TC we do not know about. imo

Welp IIRC there were many times when Tommy wanted his Wife to speak to Lindsey and said so much during the taped phone visits. Did Tommy not renig his attny/client priveledge when he allowed Lindsey to speak to his attorney?

drove past the CHili’s in Palatka yesterday lol it looked extremely romantic 🙂

Mrsm,

…And you didn’t stop in an touch the table that the ‘teflon ron’ touched?

You should have had some chips and salsa and a margarita in the ‘chilis chapel’ at least.

🙂

If I remember correctly Lindsy has Tommy’s “power of attorney”. She needed it when the changed the deed on the MH out of her and Tommy’s name and into her and her grandfather’s name. It could also go for his legal representation, if so then Werter did nothing wrong in talking to Lindsy.

i sincerely hope so too jaba

just cant see how his lawyer has done tommy any favors all around, maybe my perspective is missing key info, i have no doubt that it is and LE knows things about tommy-boys involvement but taken at face value his lawyer has not seemed very helpful to tc in many cases

Lawyers talking to and involving family is normal. Lots of times the family is trying to HELP the defendant and PAYING the lawyer.

In tc’s case, I would bet that he’s let werter do what he needs to get tommy as far away from the ACTUAL DASTARDLY DEED because he knows what evidence le has that we don’t. Imo

thank you John Sharp and Robin for your explanations… just something more for me to ponder….. hmmmmm….

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS CASE IS:

WE CANT GET ALL THE INFO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.

Lawyers can not tell even family members certain things. If Casey has admitted to Bozo that she did indeed kill Caylee, do you think Bozo would go running to her family and give them that bit of info?

Disclosing confidences of clients to ANYBODY could cost an attorney his license to practice law.

I somehow doubt TC told Werter to go on National TV and tell the world that he helped toss a little girl into a river or that he witnessed the murder of a little girl and DID NOTHING to help her. That certainly wouldn’t do much for TC’s public image.

Addicts don’t have to murder to hurt others. Look at this group before Haleigh went missing. Not the best environments for their kids, imo.

The drug doin’ and dealin’ lifestyle cost these folks plenty.

The abuse of any substance that takes away any capacity to make sure family is taken care of is the price addicts and their families pay.

Sober folks suck at parenting too, no question.

Mind altering drugs make the ‘suck’ more possible and probable, imo, anyway.

There is no perfect formula. Ut o know a lot of families with great atmospheres around them.

I also know the ones who got on, and kept on a path that hurt their families and themselves. Some rise out of it and become great people. I bet we have some here.

right Me,thats true!!!

I wish we knew exactly what tommy and werter talked about. That would help make sense of the what and why of what werter is doing.

I think his client is guilty of more than he is charged with at this point and werter is trying to limit the next charge.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall with lyndsy and hank and lisa and tommys words flying around the room. It would tell us all we would need to know, imo.

WhyLie,

He should be above that and I think he probably is. Criminal defence lawyers are used to all sorts of stuff like that. I think maybe some of the lawyers kid themselves that by going on NG etc they are somehow helping their clients.

Where I think Werter could get in some real deep doo doo for stating publicly that Tommy knows what happened, is if one day Tommy is on trial and denies he knows what happened. Werter has put himself in a position of being a potential witness, and no lawyer should do that.

me, I don’t know, Lawyers are just like doctors in my book, just because they hang up a shingle doesn’t mean they are worth a darn.

I doubt JO was capable of driving a vehicle, carrying a body onto the boat ramp, tossing the body in the river, all while holding a knife on TC. Or was it a gun? Or was it both?

KP should give Werter lessons on how to make your client look good in the press.

I think the point is even if TC does know and told Werter, Werter should have kept the info to himself, not shared it with a PI that was working for CS, much less LE, and the media.

If TC did want to go to LE with the info then it should have been done confidentially, between LE, TC, and under Werter’s guidance.

I don’t see joe doing it by himself either. But I just don’t know what could have happened. So many theories and possibilities.

excerpt from Nancy Grace: 5.14.10

GRACE: Straight out to James Werter, Tommy Croslin`s attorney. What more does your client say?

JAMES WERTER, ATTORNEY FOR TOMMY CROSLIN: On the tape or off the tape?

GRACE: Off.

WERTER: Off the tape? I can`t really say that. I mean, on the tape, what I gave you was just a redacted version. We took phone numbers out of it. But that`s the entire tape that you have. And if you notice, he did not go through what happened that night with Flora Hollars. He told — he pointed the fingers. He denied one version that Flora put to him.

Now, off, he told me that it did occur in the trailer and that he and Misty were not participants but were scared to death of Joe`s behavior. They grew up with this guy. They say even though he doesn`t have a criminal record, he did have a very violent past and they were afraid of him. And there was a weapon of intimidation there. And I don`t want to get into that because we`re still trying to make sure everybody is telling the truth this time, finally, and getting the story as it should be, OK, with the truth.

And if I give you too much, it`ll go over the air and then they can, you know, coordinate or collaborate their own stories together, even though they`re not in communications. So I am hesitant in giving you more.

GRACE: Well, Mr. Werter, basically, it sounds like you`re saying he told you more, but you can`t commit to it on air because his story might change.

WERTER: No. No. I did not say that. I want a pure interview of both of these. My understanding through Robert Fields is that their stories now, even though they haven`t been together to collaborate their stories, are pretty well matched up, you know, with a reasonable amount of tolerances that you would expect normal witnesses. They`re not mirror images and they`re not widely different. So that`s a normal — that`s what you look for in trial.

And you know this. If you get two people who are mirror image, it causes suspicion. If they`re too widely apart, then their credibility is shot there, too. So what the thing is, is to see what the pure story is. And if they have communications, third party, whatever, you know, it may taint the purity of their testimony…

GRACE: Well, isn`t it true…

WERTER: … such as it is right now.

GRACE: … that Tom Croslin, your client, told you that Overstreet got very irate. Things happened from there — I`m quoting. Overstreet went into the bedroom where Haleigh was, and Haleigh was no longer alive. Overstreet was in a rage.

WERTER: Yes. That`s correct. He went in there looking for this gun that they were going to go borrow. It was an automatic weapon. And out there, they do poach at night or shoot deer at night with the headlights and things of that nature. The gun was not there. Misty told him the gun was not there. That`s what set him off. And next thing I know…

Thanks Ilove!

I wish I knew for SURE about all of this. I wish we all did. However, the facts are small compared to what we think.

I wish I knew first hand what tc and werter were doing, I’d feel better about commenting on whether that was a smart or dumb move to go on grace.

Maybe he’s trying to sway a potential jury because he knows tommy will be charged. I wish I was 100% sure, but as the saying goes, ‘wish in one hand and s”’ in the other and see which gets filled quicker’.

Maybe as we get closer to sentencing for tc and a plea from ron and/or misty, or a trial for both, we’ll see first hand evidence. I hope so, anyway, all this speculation is rough.

John W Sharp said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 5:06 pm Well take me to the bar brother.

What part of “Don’t go on the Nancy Grace show.” is hard to undestand.

Here’s the painful part: It is because there are uneducated people who don’t undestand the law (like Tommy) that we need lawyers to help them, look out for them, guide them through.
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I agree,easy to be taken advantage of,You’re a voice of reason! Very Very good post!

If tommy’s scared of Jo,I’ll run a marathon,I could snap jo like a toofpick!

CathyJo63 said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 7:46 pm If tommy’s scared of Jo,I’ll run a marathon,I could snap jo like a toofpick!
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I bet you could cathy..
tommy did fight ron and Hank sr. too so hes not a wimp that way..

He sure did,didn’t he,either that or too crazy to care OJ, jmo either one worked tho,lol

just saw the replay of jvm…werner seems a tad disheveled to me..hes not good on tv

OJ,My husband had a friend and omg,He was about the size of Jo,an angel sober but 100 ft tall and bullet proof with a beer in him,One night I told him..I tell ya what Brose…..I’ve put up with you for years and never had a problem but today,I’m going in to get my sweat pants on and then I ‘m coming back out here and we are gonna sling fists and Johnny (Husband)
(is going to sit right here even if you take me to the ground but one of us is about to get hurt)ROFL he got sweet real quick!

I don’t recall Misty’s attorney ever making a statement or talking to the “bombshell” media.
Has he? It seems like Tommy’s attorney and Ron’s are the only ones that ever have anything to say.
IMO

Sorry,I can’t see well,caps

Oj,Not that he was askeert of me but most people like ron for instance don’t have it in them when you do finally stand up to them,lol

Thats why imo ron used guns!

FROM REALITY CHATTER: 4/25/10
James Werter stated that he wanted to go public and clear up misconceptions and speculation surrounding the Haleigh Cummings case. In the past week, the search for the missing Florida girl, has involved many rumors which caused the Putnam County, Florida sheriff to issues a statement denying many of them. James Werter would not say exactly how and if Tommy Croslin was involved, but he did acknowledge that Tommy Croslin took a lie detector test on April 8, 2010.

James Werter stated that he spoke with his client on April 10, 2010 and then on Monday morning, April 12, 2010, James Werter went with his client, Tommy Croslin to speak with investigators working the Haleigh Cummings’ case.

James Werter would not discuss whether or not Tommy Croslin passed the polygraph test, nor would he divulge the questions that were asked.

Misty Croslin’s family, lawyer for Tommy Croslin speak to media part 3

Tommy Croslin’s lawyer, James Werter spoke with CNN last night and discussed his client’s involvement in the Haleigh Cummings case. He was careful not to disclose any information that would jeopardize the information, but he did confirm various reports that have been circulating the media.

Tommy Croslin is the brother of Misty Croslin, who was the last person to see Haleigh Cummings’ alive. During the early part of Haleigh’s disappearance, a Florida Amber Alert was issued statewide. Last week, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy stated that he believes Haleigh Cummings was murdered.

James Werter confirmed that it was Tommy Croslin’s polygraph test, that he took on April 8, 2010 that led investigators to the St. Johns River where the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office conducted a search for Haleigh. James Werter also spoke about Tommy Croslin’s presence on the dock where he was speaking with FDLE and the Putnam County Sheriff’s officers.

James Werter would not expound upon the nature of their conversation or share what was discussed.
Misty Croslin’s grandmother, Flora (Flo) Hollars, has appeared on numerous media shows speaking about the case. Last night, James Werter denied that his client, Tommy Croslin, ever called Flo Hollars and discussed Haleigh Cummings’ case with her. He did say that Tommy called his grandmother and asked for her to make a phone call to his wife.

Should an arrest be made, all jail house phone calls will be pulled, and it will be proved whether or not Tommy Croslin called Flo Hollars and spoke about the Haleigh Cummings’ case with her.

Lisa and Hank can’t even visit them! IIRC

and finally: from the Examiner.com
According to James Werter, his client, Tommy Croslin took a lie detector test on April 8, 2010. The results of that test have not been publicly released, but Werter said that they contacted authorities and that is what led to the search at the St. Johns River.

James Werter was asked by HLN’s Jane Velez-Mitchell if Tommy Croslin knew what happened to Haleigh Cummings in a weekend broadcast. Jane Velez Mitchell also mentioned Flora Hollars and how people are taking her stories seriously. Jane Velez said to James Werter, “Let me just say this. The reason why people are taking her seriously is that cops did go down to the river, and they did search for several days and spent huge amounts on divers. Why?”

James Werter answered, clarifying the source of the anonymous tip, “Based on — based on Tommy`s discussions with him, with the FDLE and Putnam County, on Monday night, April 11.”

Jane Velez-Mitchell then remarked upon what may be seen as the most revealing information gleaned from the media coverage of the Haleigh Cummings’ case, “In other words, Tommy knows something. But you`re saying he`s not responsible, but he knows what happened? “

James Werter replied, “Again, I will say, well, I will go with that, yes. I am quite comfortable in you saying that.”

CathyJo, do you know if Timmy or Chelsea have any kind of record? I have been trying to check that out also, but have had no luck finding anything on either. I have only heard Timmy talking about his drunkeness and being buzzed.

she very quickly started slinging mud tho…it was not much after that she did another interview talking about how ron had yelled at her for letting Haleigh wander off (found in water)

her whole attitude about RON was completely different very quickly imo maybe she was more buzzed up when she waxed familial for her message to Haleigh..i dont kno

Right Mrsm,and he told Cobra he did not say that but we all heard it!

MrsM, My personal opinion is if MG had kept her nose, and mouth out of it, Crystal and Ron would have stayed unified in the effort to find Haleigh.

While many of the CS lovers deny it, the thing is Ron and Crystal have a love/hurt relationship. They have a bond that has been there since their youth and will probably remain the rest of their lives. You know the “first love” type thing.

They get angry at each other and then try to outdo each other in the hurt department BUT it was Marie that started all the dirt throwing from the start.

Oh,LoL Ron told Cobra he did not say his d/b girl friend let her get stole” IIRC,it was some kinda phrase!

cobra: what did you mean when you said: b****, who the f*** did you let come in here
and steal my kid? that`s what i wanted to ask you about. if I had any questions for
you, you must have known she had somebody in there.

ron: i don`t think she had anything to do with it.

cobra: you don`t think she let anybody come in? well you said…
you said that on that tape i heard it!

ron: no. i just wanted to know… uh no, i said: b***** HOW THE F*** could you
let somebody come in my house?

cobra: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeahhhh

ron: what i wanna know is… (crosstalk)

cobra: when you left for work, you locked that f**** door, you had that
back door locked?

To me, it appeared that whenever Marie was with Crystal in interviews, Crystal began to turn on Ron. Maybe she was sobbering up or coming down as the days passed. In the beginning she was hovering over Ron. There was 1 picture that showed her kneeling down beside him rubbing his back as he was crying while holding the 8×10 photo of HaLeigh. As the controversies started, Crystal seemed to become more defiant with Ron, Misty, TN, the whole bunch down there. Things seemed to change right after the Geraldo fiasco.
Or maybe Crystal felt as tho she had more power and didn’t need to protect herself from Ron and his family/girlfriend/wife by playing nice.
The way she acted in the beginning struck me as odd. I would’ve been all over Misty if that was one of my daughters that was missing.
IMO

The children may have loved misty but did misty really love the kids, or was she putting up with them for ron?

I really don’t know. Maybe she wanted her own, and that’s all. Its happened before in society.

If my grandson just vanished,OMG somebodys gonna pay for it when they were resposible for him…jmo

Ba, are u thinking of joining?

I know some don’t like to go there… but, do you guys remember the tale of Misty begging Crystal to believe her… that she had nothing to do with HaLeigh being missing? I think that was Misty’s way of dropping a dime on someone else!!!!!!!!!!!

Stilllucy, I would have been all over everyone, grannies and all!!!

Jaba, yes!

CathyJo, I don’t discriminate when it comes to my son! I truly go ballistic, I don’t just see red… I see colors that haven’t been invented yet!

rofl,and have puffy veins you never knew you had Adams,LoL

Actually I’d almost bet cs & mg is like casey with cindy!

I remember that about Timmy as well. He was scared and wasn’t about to go back to Satsuma even for a visit. I remember Lisa saying that they might come down, but it was one excuse after another why they probably wouldn’t. Thanks again and have a safe and happy Weekend.

WhyLie said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 8:09 pm OJ do you have a link? I wasn’t able to watch it yet, just got to read the transcript.
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just got back whylie..it was a replay on tv..I couldn’t find it either on utube

Lucy and LoL My goodness even MG dumped cs off at TN and said she just didn’t return,at age 14,sheeeeeeeeesh Neither of them has a right to dump on anybody elses mother???

CJ: I totally agree with all of your posts even the stutterers! LOL

Ba,

Look, I’m sure you realize I know very little as my writings prove. 🙂

However, fitness is something I have spent a lot of time for many years learning. Learning the best ways for the end goal of being healthier and feeling better about the way I look.

Curves is very good for beginners. That’s doesn’t mean you can’t achieve a lot. You can.

When you get to medium or advanced stages of weight loss and/or fitness, I’d suggest a more focused gym.

Curves, imo, is great at not making you feel fat or ugly or anything like that. They don’t have mirrors or a need for make up in the work out areas. Its not a beauty contest at that point.

They want to get you in to exercise without feeling uncomfortable. Thank God for places like that. 🙂

Its a greta first step, or a first step ‘back’ to fitness.

Please be careful though…some aren’t as trained as good fitness people.

Don’t do. Exercises that hurt all the time. There are other ways to achieve fitness goals without a lot of pain. Pain is weakness leaving the body, but there is no need to take ‘bullet’ on this, if you know what I mean.

Slow starts and pushing comfortably is a fine line.

Fitness is exercise AND nutrition. Only a handful of people can stay slim and fit without proper planning on exercise AND nutrition. I focus on the AND becasue what you eat is vitaly important.

Think of it like this: you ingest different things…fat, protein, carbs, vitamins, blah, blah, blah. Protein builds muscle. Muscle burns fat. Carbs give you energy to workout but add weight if over consumed. Fat tastes good….but adds fat, obviously.

ANY program has to have both tailored to the SPECIFIC persons body type and make up. Both exercise and nutrition. There are not fat loss pills that work. YOU have to commit to the effort and lifestyle change it takes to look and feel like you want.

I can go on, and will at your request, all day as to what I feel helps in the areas of nutrition and fitness. Just ask…I don’t want to blow on this response more than you really wanted. 🙂

Curves can’t hurt you as long as you research what you want to accomplish first. Maybe curves is good for the firts 6 months, more or less. By then, if you know what to look for and feel and measure, you can move to different gyms and trainers where you WANT the mirrors. 🙂

Let me know if you have further questions, I’d be glad to answer them.

Ps…I do eat a lot of buttery popcorn… I’ve just learned how to enjoy it AND what it will take to work it off.

LoL Adams,I wish I had curves,I use to buy weight on from the drugstore,the first time I did they giggled b/c no one does and I knew it was true,when they handed it to me,It had 2 inches of dust on it,lol I hated it!

Thanks Jaba! I was considering Curves or Boot Camp style… not overweight, just want to lose a few in the mids-section and get healthier!

CathyJo, there was a time when I purchased Weight On, those days are no more!

OJ…. you must have radar… when it comes to female physique conversations!!

when I was growing up,people would say,Girl.you got a tapeworm~LoL

Yes, he is!!

CathyJo, you should write a book!!

Your anecdotes and jokes!!!

Thank You Adams! What would I say? rofl j/k but ty!!

Ba,

As long as YOU stay comitted to YOUR goal, you will rock!

I see it as a lifestyle conversion to that goal as most important.

Whatever you decide, you’ll will suceed if YOU really want to, no doubt.

Small changes to your lifestyle or the whole families is a great start. I’m sure your loved ones would be behind you 1000% if they know what you are trying to do.

It takes about a month of worktouts(say, 20 days out of 30) to build a regimine to help achieve the goal.

I’d hate to workout next to a beyonce(great curves!) or any of the ‘twilight kids’ without a heavy commitment but they are only human.

Some humans have natural genetics that make it easier to get a ‘hot’ look. I don’t. I have to work at it and figure I’m luke warm at best sometimes, but I don’t give in to quitting when it gets hard.

Beyonce has Curves that are stellar, but, she works at it, hard, and is genetically ‘hot’ imo. She will tell you how her diet and exercise keep her trim.

I wish I had a billion in the bank and just work out to look good every day. 🙂

Beyonce… doesn’t have knees!

Guess we better get back on topic… I don’t want anyone to come in here and spank me… unless it’s Prince {the singer}

rofl Adams……..you silly goose!!
sorry caps,lol

Oh yeah… the shoes I just ordered would inspire some serious envy from Prince! HeeeHee

In Ronald’s statement he stated that three people Hank Croslin Jr, Sr and Lisa Croslin showed up at his grandma’s house after they were told not to come there by his wife Misty Cummings. He said that Hank Jr and Sr got out of the van and approached in an “aggressive” manner. He said that he asked Hank Jr to get out of his face and he then came closer. He thought he was going to hit him so he pushed him out of the way. He said that Hank Jr then hit him after Ronald pushed him and the physical altercation began. He said that Hank Sr then entered the fight and held him while Hank Jr hit him. Ronald completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident and also signed charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr for battery.
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I had never noticed this before,It says Hank held ron and let Tommy hit him!

I vaguely remember something about him being held. I can’t really see Hank “Magic Man” Sr. doing that. It just doesn’t seem like him at all!

CathyJo63 said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 10:28 pm

In Ronald’s statement he stated that three people Hank Croslin Jr, Sr and Lisa Croslin showed up at his grandma’s house after they were told not to come there by his wife Misty Cummings. He said that Hank Jr and Sr got out of the van and approached in an “aggressive” manner. He said that he asked Hank Jr to get out of his face and he then came closer. He thought he was going to hit him so he pushed him out of the way. He said that Hank Jr then hit him after Ronald pushed him and the physical altercation began. He said that Hank Sr then entered the fight and held him while Hank Jr hit him. Ronald completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident and also signed charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr for battery.
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I had never noticed this before,It says Hank held ron and let Tommy hit him!
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They are lucky Ron just didn’t shoot them

Ron would have had plenty of time to stash the gun anyways! Wish we really knew why they went over there. M said because of meds. Are these the same ones she says Ron took?

right Adams but I doubt he had it on him when they pulled up maybe??

I’m not sure but IIRC he was using GS morphine! IDK

Yes, I too believe Misty called them. I think she is very capable of playing both sides against the middle!

when my daughter had problems,she’d call!LOL Even if it was a tiny spat,younger girls do but then again some older ones do too,lol

right,exactly Adams! They’d no doubt been fighting,and who knows that he hadn’t just hit her and she called,could be why she told them she got hit in the face by getting in between them?? jmo
Maybe they asked her if they noticed it!

See,its pretty obvious that she was scared of ron because she swore a statement on her own family!

JMO But I do think he was a walking time bomb!

She said that he then made a big ordeal about not being able to see her and said he was coming over anyway
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Why would he make a big deal of not seeing her?
odd! Unless ofcourse’she told him on the phone ron hit her!

That’s a long fight in my book. Street fights don’t last long, usually.

She says she was hit by her family members (hank sr and jr) to cover for ron, imo. I wasn’t there so I can’t be sure. But, an accidental hit from her family sounds better than a ‘ron-smack’ which I think he was more than capapble and comfortable doing. Jmo, again, I wasn’t there.

beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 10:37 pm

Ron would have had plenty of time to stash the gun anyways! Wish we really knew why they went over there. M said because of meds. Are these the same ones she says Ron took?
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Why would he need to stash guns away? He had his CHL and legally there was no reason to stash them away.

CathyJo, I will be back… puter is punking out on me.

k Adams!!!!

he could have called her from the blind neighbors house? imo tho either way i think they were asked to come! he may have called her!

Maybe they called from someones house… maybe they had use of a cell earlier!

Just cause you have a gun and permit to carry it, doesn’t mean you have a right to pull it out or threaten someone with it!

Most people who have guns are NOT gonna brandish them in front of cop… don’t think he wanted to commit suicide by cop!

I think we did Grandma5,but i just didn’t know the answer,lol

Very true Adams!

I think OJ could tell ya,he watched it i believe and Me also IIRC Dusty!

you’re correct too Dusty imo that he can’t be afraid of Jo,He wasn’t in jail when tommy was dealing drugs and moreso,his family was home without protection,jmo

They said that Misty called them to come get her. They had no phone.

Misty said when she talked to TC on the phone she asked him why HE had been calling her house all day.

They then show up at AS’s after being told not to come over. Ron gave his statement at the station AFTER he and Misty had been separated. Both their stories were pretty much the same, as was AS’s story.

TC, Hank, and Lisa went over there uninvited late at night and started a fight. Ron had every right to kick their butts. I certainly would have had it been at my house.

Hank held Ron so TC could hit him and yet TC is the one that had to go for treatment at the hospital. I think TC underestimated Ron, two on one and TC still got a butt whipping. No wonder he is scared to be in Putnam county jail.

Tommy said Misty called HIM. How could Misty call him at the neighbors?

How did Misty call them?

well my goodness,she was a neighbor of the same neighbor,more or less,why would she not call the neighbor and say go tell my bro to come get me,or say……get him to call me,something,Theres no way they’d have went over there for no reason! jmo

I dunno,just my opinion…but i don’t buy it!

and obviously Misty had a reason to call,ofcourse she’s not gonna tell ron,well yea i called them to come get me? jmo

however,thats just imo…not anybody else’s..mine only!

so,one of those times she could have said,come get me! but she did not want ron to know that! jmo

No she said TC called her house all day. Ron and Misty were not home all day that is why TC could not talk to Misty until that night, after Ron and Misty got home.

well,IDK Then!
But i don’t think they went w/o an invitation but thats imo only!

Well they went to a blind man’s house at 3 in the morning without an invitation, and TC sure seems to go in lots of other people’s houses without invitations, so I personally don’t think the Croslins care much about the formalities of social etiquette.

well,Maybe they did,I am not here too argue that,I was merely stating moo!

right,so i can’t argue things i really don’t know!

IF we had the TRUTH out of all of them we’d know where Haleigh is, good or bad.

The Croslin clan is no good in the way they handle personal relationships. No good at all. Neither is the cummings clan or the shef/grif side.

I guess to be fair, I should say they don’t live like I would but that’s pretty muich irrelevant at this point. Less than ‘perfect’ people raise terrific families all the time. These folks didn’t and look at the cost. Ouch.

We have PROOF of very little in this case. If we go by what ‘they’ tell police , then we’ll be stuck in the mud all day long.

right,ok! I see!

Either way WhyLie,I doubt it too.unless they had a piggy bank full of quarters and somehow i seriously doubt it!

omg,you’re are probably dead on,he did need his pills,lol

Misty could see no future long before she met Ron. Not like her life got topsy turvied once she met Ron. Her life was in shambles long before Ron came into it.

amen!

CJ, I agree, but that happened long before Ron came into her life.

When Ron met Misty, he had 2 beautiful children, a decent place to live, a good job. He met Misty and look what he has lost, his beautiful daughter is missing, his son is back with his mother, he lost his home, his job, and is sitting in jail. Somehow I think Ron got the short end of the stick in that relationship.

BA, I think that was before Amber and Nay Nay. She was pretty thin in the pictures of her at Ambers, pre-Ron.

Misty’s own father said she was out of control running with Nay Nay and Amber and he tried to get her to stay away from them.

No doubt and where do we place blame? Parents? Her? Ron? Does it even matter?

She ‘slid’ into this lifestyle no doubt. I’m sure she didn’t come out of the womb thinking all there is in the world is crapola. I’m sure h and l didn’t want their kids to go through crap, but it happened and now they are all in a world of hurt over it.

Hell, her mom and dad can’t even leave one county to go to another.

Ron knew just what he was getting, he likes them young, and I’m sure there’s a reason for that!

She was not thin in those photos with Billy, she actually looked pretty and very healthy.

truer words were never spoken whylie!
It sure is!

right Adams,he saw a girl whose life was shambled,and no doubt knew no one cared about her basically and he went after her…imo

Mistys is a tragic and awful situation but she has to pay in accordance to florida law for what she’s done. Its a shame, we don’t need to add to the number of prisoners but we can’t let criminal acitivity, no matter the situational circumstances, go without punishment of some kind.

She may have been unlucky to be in the state of florida when the s@+# went down.

right Adams,but i am almost certain she never felt cared about,and probably never even punished for wrong because they probably let her run wild because they were busy getting high all the time,then ron saw this in her,took her in,knew she’d be easy to control and she maybe even thought he loved her so much because he did control her!she was just a child then!

No doubt CathyJo, she wouldn’t be human if she didn’t feel the sting of that kind of upbringing!

right WhyLie,she did and if her parents cared she would never have met him either! but to me that says,she was looking for somebody,anybody to love her!!!

Teenage girls were his target? I believe Ron’s other girlfriends, CS and AB were within appropriate age frames for Ron to have been with. CS is a year and a half younger then Ron and Amber was 18.

Misty’s sexuality is not important to me, when it comes to a grown man inviting a teen into his bed. She could have been a virgin, or the most loosest box on the block… he knew what HE was doing!

Some people go to jail for what he did! a child!

The guy at the bus stop said ron like Misty at age 15 IIRC and he told ron,15 will get you 20!

OMG I have a pic of Misty holding a newborn and just the way she holds it ,like it’s glass and she has the prettiest expression you ever saw,It breaks my heart! Because she was raised hard and all and her 1st wedding was this one and if God forbid she died tomorrow she will have never had a good day really!

and that just sux!

CJ that was just another of Jerry S’s lies. Ron and Misty met through Amber, they didn’t meet at the bus stop.

god yes Adams,omg

It may be whylie,but anyway she was young! All i am saying!

WhyLie said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:32 pm

They said that Misty called them to come get her. They had no phone.

Misty said when she talked to TC on the phone she asked him why HE had been calling her house all day.

They then show up at AS’s after being told not to come over. Ron gave his statement at the station AFTER he and Misty had been separated. Both their stories were pretty much the same, as was AS’s story.

TC, Hank, and Lisa went over there uninvited late at night and started a fight. Ron had every right to kick their butts. I certainly would have had it been at my house.

Hank held Ron so TC could hit him and yet TC is the one that had to go for treatment at the hospital. I think TC underestimated Ron, two on one and TC still got a butt whipping. No wonder he is scared to be in Putnam county jail

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yup, that is how it went down. They kept calling all afternoon while Misty/Ron were gone and decided to go over there at 11 that night. If they were so concerned over Misty like they said they would have called the law or gone over there earlier.

I know she babysat for Amber! cs said she didn’t know Misty remember,or am I confused?

I draw the line at 18…

In my heart I do believe that Misty was seriously cheated in this lifetime. With that aside, in my eyes, she is no angel… just as Lindsy isn’t.

CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:19 am I know she babysat for Amber! cs said she didn’t know Misty remember,or am I confused?
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she babysat as far back as amber and ron?
the special needs baby?
I understood she sat for cs and ron before they broke up..wouldn’t be the first time a guy went for the au pair..

My mom married at 16 a southern {shotgun} shindig.

She was 17 when she got with Ron-and had been with men before that, so I don’t consider her a child. She made some very bad decisions, but she’s responsible for her actions. No one forced her to do anything.

Any ideas on how we can get the media to request the “tapes”?

She was spoiled.

It is not unusual in rural southern towns for younger girls to be with/marry older men. Just the way it is, right or wrong, it is not uncommon, especially among those that are less educated.

her parents admit,lol sorry…….just gotta disagree!

yes OJ,She met ron then and told him he needed to get custody of the baby b/c amber used drugs! IIRC

Exactly, WhyLie. I am so glad I didn’t grow up in that type of environment, nor did my children. I guess the old saying that the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree is quite appropriate here!

no oj,cause she was prolly “in the family way” as thhey put it then!

CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:33 am yes OJ,She met ron then and told him he needed to get custody of the baby b/c amber used drugs! IIRC
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oh yea..but the “got your man gonna get your baby too” comment was directed at crystal, right?

No OJ that was a comment that Misty left on Amber’s Myspace page.

Honesty,

Thank you for your comment on my post. And a sincere THANK YOU for the recognition of our CathyJo !!! Have a great 4th!!

no OJ,at amber!

WhyLie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:38 am No OJ that was a comment that Misty left on Amber’s Myspace page.
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told you you know more than me..
and u2 cathy

Thats sad whylie! jmo

omg what? why the bug eyes? lol

At first i gotta admit i thought,omg another troll,was afraid to read it really but I am glad I did!
It’s good when people know you have no motive but only want to help because you care! jmo

Hi me,shewwww lol

dang ,why’d we get quiet?

I can understand why you’d be worried to read it after the last couple of weeks here! Hopefully Honesty will post more often!

I so hope new LE take over this case. Sadly, I feel PCSO will never solve it. They appear absolutely incapable. Very sad for Haleigh.

And I can’t believe after 17 months of dissecting every Cummings and Croslin to pieces for all this time, we still don’t know where Chad was that night, who they phoned in the days after receiving the warrant, whether or not he actually works, whether they had a life insurance policy on her etc. Odd.

the right people,sorry
It was Adams,when??

BA,

I didn’t know that had happened. We use different terminology where I live, but I am guessing it means he wanted the court date postponed? Is it actually listed for a trial?

I’m not so swift with it either, it has been reported on Twitter and at RadioNewz’s site. But I believe you’re right me!

Granny at 1:28. I aqree.

Ba. At 1:01. I agree.

since they denied it i mean?

lol me good point!

UCN: 542010CF000145XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: TRIAL
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION

Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias: No Alias Records

Date # Docket Description
01/21/2010 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (1/13/10)
01/21/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
01/21/2010 1 TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE MORE THAN 14 GRAMS LESS
01/21/2010 1 THAN 28 GRAMS
01/21/2010 2 WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 3 ARREST REPORT – 1/20/2010
01/22/2010 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 10-00276
01/22/2010 3 BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 4 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO FLAGLER COUNTY
01/22/2010 4 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY, FLORIDA
01/22/2010 5 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
01/22/2010 5 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS
01/22/2010 5 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF
01/22/2010 6 SOURCE OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL
01/22/2010 7 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
02/03/2010 8 INFORMATION – TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE (14G – 28G)
02/03/2010 9 MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR TRIAL
02/05/2010 10 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
02/05/2010 11 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
02/09/2010 12 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE
02/10/2010 13 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
02/10/2010 14 WITNESS LIST
02/10/2010 15 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
02/11/2010 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010) IN JAIL
02/11/2010 17 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02-18-2010)
02/17/2010 18 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/17/2010 18 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (FAX)
02/18/2010 19 ORDER SETTING CASE FOR PRETRIAL 03/31/2010
02/19/2010 20 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/19/2010 20 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (ORIGINAL)
02/23/2010 21 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-31-2010) IN JAIL
02/23/2010 22 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
03/03/2010 23 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
03/17/2010 24 NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY
03/31/2010 25 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
03/31/2010 25 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
03/31/2010 25 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
04/07/2010 26 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05-13-2010) IN JAIL
04/07/2010 27 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (05-13-2010)
04/26/2010 28 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 29 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/06/2010 29 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 30 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/06/2010 30 STATE’S MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
05/06/2010 30 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT’S
05/06/2010 30 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
05/07/2010 31 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/07/2010 32 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/07/2010 32 ISSUED TO: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/07/2010 33 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/07/2010 33 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/10/2010 34 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (FAX)
05/10/2010 35 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)
05/11/2010 36 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/13/2010 37 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/13/2010 37 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
05/13/2010 37 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/13/2010 38 ORDER SETTING TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/28/2010 39 LETTER FROM ANNETTE SYKES
06/07/2010 40 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-19-2010)
06/07/2010 41 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-19-2010)
06/15/2010 42 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
06/28/2010 43 MOTION TO CONTINUE
07/01/2010 44 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TRIAL DATE AND
07/01/2010 44 GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE

CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:17 am oh,ok thanks Yea b/c Mistys is now after rons,right????
The way it works out is Misty will know if ron testifies against her right?????? IDK Legalities at all!
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CJ,

I would think if Ron was going to testify against her at trial we would know about it by now as they would presumably have to serve a statement/deposition on Misty so she knew the case she was facing and was given an opportunity to refute anything he said.

right Me,tyvvm.lol
also tho it won’t stand w/o the plea deal he was offered right or lol wrong?? it was 15 yrs with testimony against her the others???

i have no idea guys,just trying to learn about that,lol

lol Adams!

oh i think i see Oj,Ty

wow Me,i don’t understand legalities but i do yours there,I think anyway,lol gosh!!!

me said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:26 am OJ’s glove said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:21 am when someone agrees to testify against another for a reduction in sentence their sentence will be delayed til after they testify..
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Wow. That’s completely opposite to the way it works here. Here you’d be sentenced first, then testify after. If the “informant” doesn’t adhere to the statement they gave prior to their sentence when giving evidence, they are re-sentenced here. When sentenced here the judge has to say precisely the discount given for their testimony, and if they don’t stick to the statement, they lose their discount. Here juries always know what sort of discount the give up got for telling his “story”.
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whoa..thats not how its done in cali..agree to testify, you testify first then are sentenced..if you don’t cooperate you get it in the neck..ain’t justice sweet? like the trumpted up bogus charges they have on misty..12 decent people will see how she was coherced, forced, entrapped, tricked into doing what they say she did.

CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:26 am right Me,tyvvm.lol
also tho it won’t stand w/o the plea deal he was offered right or lol wrong?? it was 15 yrs with testimony against her the others???
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I’m not the best one to answer that question…only read about the deal here. Do you know when it was that Shoemaker talked about the deal? I’d like to see what he said. I don’t get why these lawyers have to share so much with the press. I wouldn’t want my lawyer doing that.

Shoey, mentioned it to the Judge at Ron’s last court appearance… I think!

CathyJo, my sister mentioned that case to me a couple of days ago, but I ignored her, for she always gets these things mixed-up.

Did hear about the guy that tried to sell his baby at Walmart for 20 bucks?

No,Adams.I didn’t hear that one,shewwwwww

it amazed me,I didn’t think stuff like that went on now!

beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:43 am CathyJo,

Did hear about the guy that tried to sell his baby at Walmart for 20 bucks?
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I believe it was a woman..and whats up with you ladies saying the dingo ate my baby and such? I got my eye on you girls..

That’s a prime reason why tommy shouldn’t be in GP!! If the inmates even suspect a child was involved in your case/crime… it’s beat-down time.

you ain’t just whistlin dixie, Adams!

that worries me bad Adams,it really does,It’s almost like they put him there to get killed? jmo but i do believe something was up with it!

it is crazy me! for more than one reason to me! jmo

Yep, that killer wanted a firing squad and got itM he man’d up on that, imo. Wow! What a way to go out. Ouch.

Rons attorney TALkED about a plea deal, no word at all from the d/a, just rons side.

and just imagine if he did do something else and its never found out then what? thats crazy! jmo still

beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:57 am That’s a prime reason why tommy shouldn’t be in GP!! If the inmates even suspect a child was involved in your case/crime… it’s beat-down time.
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So true. Plus, he was put in there with 2 of Hardy’s sons co-accused who probably consider him a dog. And LE have already once charged Ron with assaulting him. They knew what they were doing when they put him in there. IMO, it is criminal. Where I live LE aren’t in charge of the inmates…we have a separate Department with responsibility for them, so LE couldn’t have done that to him.

The guy that tried to sell the baby looks like Charles Bronson.

exactly,what they did was the same as the death penalty….basically! And don’t even know if he’s guilty! jmo guys in jail don’t play around!

nite ladies..happy 4th

it was both parents wasn’t it Adams,tried to sell it for 25 bux,you can see that girl is no doubt a meth head…I am looking now and her face has sores all over it……jmo

Good nite OJ.

gnite oj!

Good night BA.

jaba,

It doesn’t matter what pod they are in. Inmates in general population mix. They are not locked in their pods all day.

it aint just ron he has to worry about!

So they confirmed rons attorney brought them a deal. Hmmmm…if they were going to do it I wonder why the hold up on it? What has/could change in rons situation to mnake them agree, I wonder?

evidense against him? jmo

My eyes are crossed,I have to hit the hay too!
lol gnite

gnite me!!

It would be easy to find online! imo they still put him in gp in the same jail period…jmo

In county jail that is.

You sure about putnam jail? Yes/no? I’m not. Looking for guidance from you, me.

jaba said,in July 4th, 2010 at 3:20 am So they confirmed rons attorney brought them a deal. Hmmmm…if they were going to do it I wonder why the hold up on it? What has/could change in rons situation to mnake them agree, I wonder?
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So many possibilities, imo. I

oops…posted before I finished.

The article doesn’t say who approached who about the deal.

Re why it doesn’t seem to be happening anymore…so many possibilities. Perhaps they want to see how Misty goes at trial first to see what their own chances are.

I think ron will be finished before misty. If he pleads and awaits sentence until mistys trial in aug or sep, then I can see the d/a using him and trying to work a judge into a ‘favor’ for ron.

I still don’t know why they need ron on mistys deal. They didn’t offer hope or doona one to testify against misty, that we know of. Doona might still. Hell, tommy and ron might.

Misty is in a world of s”” at this point unless her attorney can show entrapment.

Imo

jaba,

I’ll be cheering Misty on at her trial. They should have busted her after the first small deal, and used that as an opportunity to get her rehab etc. What they’ve done to her is disgusting imo. I’ll be interested to see how a jury deal with it. I won’t be surprised if she beats the charges. I believe there will be at least one person out of the 12 who doesn’t want to see a teen locked up for decades.

She may beat the charges, no doubt.

If not, the florida law and sentence will determine her time.

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I heard rons attorney said they were working on a deal. It was on a nancy grace show or jvm. Its the only two tv shows I’ve seen talk about rons attempted plea.

And one thing I can be certain of, and that is that Florida inmates would be no different than other inmates insofar as they consider harming a child the most heinous crime going and all inmates accused of such are at grave risk in general population. Doesn’t matter if the child’s father is in the prison or not.

oops…sorry I’m getting tired….it should be “institute of criminology”…lol….not “institute of criminal”.

CathyJo was nice enough to post the court docket for us….I can’t find the last chance plea date anywhere in it…but it seems it may have been extended last week. Perhaps they are still trying to negotiate a deal but haven’t come to an agreement yet?

06/28/2010 43 MOTION TO CONTINUE
07/01/2010 44 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TRIAL DATE AND
07/01/2010 44 GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE

Looks like his continuance was denied. His trial, if he goes that route, should be soon, I hope.

Happy 4th \ Happy Independence Day !! Celebrate the freedom.

Having said that: I do believe dinner will be served. The glaze for the turkey and hen will feature a variety of spices and offer a complex but evenly distributed amount of stuffing.

Join us Tuesday for the feast we’ve all been ready and waiting for!!! Don’t forget your bib for coughing, sneezing, spitting, etc.

Desert will be a wonderful creation also!!! Jan and Simon will make authentic and heart warming… Ahhh, join us on a tour around Jan and Simon’s menu to find out: who, what, when, where, why and how two’s and how’s comes that are sure 2 keep y’all coming back 4 More: Justice!!!!
Testers welcome

Justice for Haleigh xo

DustyRose said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:02 pm

God Bless Haleigh and all her families

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DustyRose, just wanted to tell you that I really like that last part “all her families”, because I feel like Haleigh has become a part of the families of everyone here at BNN.

Lady: Or Shoemaker had expected a deal and wasn’t prepared for a trial on Ron’s plea.
I think the date for the deal with the prosecutor had expired.
I thought that Hope had mentioned that Ron had told her how to plea and they would all plea the same if caught……Then after Hope’s hearing, they all found out it wasn’t going to work for them the way it had in the past.
IMO
Good Morning!

me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 3:13 am

CJ,

I remembered people discussing the deal, but don’t think I read any articles about it til today. For some reason it seems to have fallen apart. I doubt I’d do a deal for that sort of time….I’d take my chances with a jury. Once the prisons start to overflow and the taxpayers realize it is costing them a fortune to impose minimum sentences without reducing the drug trade (new ones always take their place) they’ll have to let some of these people go. Some government one day will re-determine their sentences, get them out, and save the taxpayers a fortune in wasted spending.

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Sorry to disagree with you on this one, but as a Florida taxpayer who very much supported the change in the laws and who still supports it, that is not going to happen. We are still lobbying for stiffer sentences for all aspects of the drug trade. The drug trade is the “start” to many more serious crimes, if the criminals can be put out of the society before the commit the drug related murders/robberies, etc, I am all for it.

I don’t ever see these sentences getting “shorter”, but I do see the possibility for the sentences of even the “lessor” (such as possession) drug crimes getting stiffer and also having mandatory sentencing guidelines.

Because of Florida’s surrounding coastline it has become a first-line channel for the international drug trade, and the “honest” citizens of Florida want a stop put to it! If we can cut down or put a stop to the drug trade, we cut down or put a stop to MANY other crimes.

Levi Page posted a link to an article that he wrote for a paper in Tennessee. Along with the article is a slideshow of interviews with some of the national media that gave us all the WOW factor that has led us to so much speculation of Ron.

FYI: Kyron has been missing for 1 month today. Hoping for good news soon with his case as with this case.

#1, Misty is NOT a “young” teen, she was 18 when arrested.

#2, Misty is NOT the only young adult to be caught up in mandatory sentencing guidelines of drug trafficking.

#3, the mandatory sentencing was put in place for the purpose of taking the “discretion” out of the hands of the judges that were giving light or no sentences to the “big” time traffickers depending on how much money was exchanged into the “right” hands.

LS: You are so right. Illegal drugs make big bucks for those that are involved in selling/trafficking of them. Sometimes that kind of money can influence those public servants that are greedy or in their positions for all of the wrong reasons.
Pharmaceutical Co’s are in the position now of working with the gov’t on regulations rather than just pushing through legislation for the success of their products, monetarily.
Now, all must be treated equally under the guidelines. This bunch knew enough about the laws to make a plan and talked about it on the tapes with the UC. They should face the sentences imposed as should everyone else. Despite of their personal situations. Ron didn’t care enough about his children to provide a decent and legal environment so they could grow and succede. Misty, Tommy, and Hope didn’t care enough about themselves. This may be just what all of them needed.
And with that said, maybe now they, those involved in HaLeigh’s disappearance, will have enough respect for her to spill it.
IMO

I completely understand the desire to get rid of drugs. But to me solutions like these long mandatory sentences (especially for small-time dealers/users) are (a) not justice and (b) are not reflected in violent and horrific crimes and (c) strain the jails’ capacity to where often rapists, child molesters and murderers are paroled long before their sentences are served in order to free up space (which is also not “justice” to me).

Just looking at it from a practical standpoint there are only so many jails and so much money for them. And putting someone like Hope in for 15 years can “push out” a violent offender who’s given early parole. It happens.

As we’ve seen in so many cases sentencing for SOs, abusers, and murderers runs the gamut from a slap on the wrist to life – and then sometimes “lifers” or 30 year sentences get paroled before serving even half the sentence.

Do these mandatory sentences really affect the drug trade? Are there studies showing that x many people are deterred by them (won’t commit the crime because of the jail time if caught)? We already know these five weren’t key players or even big players so we know their absence from the drug scene won’t even cause a ripple in the flow of drugs. So the purpose is….?

IMO achieving a real change (as in the drug trade) and achieving anything close to justice as far as drugs or violent crime is concerned takes a whole lot more than mandatory sentencing. It’s a simple but ineffective “solution” politicians come up with to placate the voters (IMO). This kind of thing happens everywhere – not picking on Florida.

Of course I’d be happier about it if similar mandatory sentences applied to all illegal drugs (per WhyLie’s post at 9:13 am) and certain violent crimes. Then we wouldn’t have to worry about child rapists getting off after being on home confinement for a while or child murderers getting out after 8 years or murderers of adults getting out after 16 years instead of the 30 a jury decided upon. But that would break any state’s bank I’m sure.

Both real change and real justice are far more complex and sometimes time-consuming and expensive and that’s why we don’t have either one – change or justice – IMO.

Then there should be parole so people could be watched and checked on (IF there was a competent parole system which is rare if not non-existant).

Whether it’s total release or parole, I don’t think it’s a good thing for anyone (except a crowded jail) for a man to be totally released after serving only 16 years of a 30 year sentence for hiring a hit man to sucessfully kill his wife.

m2c, the case of the man released after 16 years was a Federal sentence NOT a State of Florida sentence. If you research that case he was not housed in a Florida prison, but a Federal prison. I am not sure if that person is on parole or not as again that was a Federal case not a State of Florida case.

@beautiful*adams {cent},

Reading through the comments, your comment about Misty begging Crystal to believe her..

I totally agree.. Something that people need to stop and look at, they have a pre-conceived concept of misty.. She was a teenager, into drugs, sex, rocknroll.. Just like several million other teens are today.. Heck I could list a dozen or so, that I watched grow up with my Granddaughter.
Thus with the pre-conceived ideas, Misty must be guilty after all, she’s a teenager and she went to a wild party, and she’s living with this man ten years older than she.. She has to be the guilty person here.. After all she’s the one PCSO is looking at..

What if, she’s not?? What if she is the scapegoat?? What if she doesn’t know anything??
What if she had to make up the time line of the night from the time ron left, until ron arrived? What if, she did this for ron? What if she were not at that residence until after 1:30am.. What if she wasn’t ask to babysit until late, to cover between what time ron would normally get home and the time he expected to get home… 2 hours.. But in that 2 hours, she arrives only to find Junior and no Haleigh?? It would explain how her entire time line comes out a lie… All made up, and she’s stuck in the Muck.. and all others walk freely around.. Who would ask her to make up the story to cover for the night?? Ron?? Tn??
What would misty know?? NOTHING..

Then if you look at Tommys statement from last September.. If it were true, it would back up what I just said… NO ONE WAS AT THAT TRAILER, that night.. Just as the AC man may well have found no one at home at 5:00pm.
So where do the real answers lie…
with ron and tn… they know more than they have ever said.. might be the reason that they covered for misty so intently in the PUBLIC eye..
As long as PCSO spins in circles with what misty has told them so far.. they will never come close to the truth..

As far as this last episode with Tommy and PCSO, I think it was their last ditch effort to just frighten Tommy into telling what he really knows about that night.. And it is possible, although no one wants to believe, that he really knows NOTHING.. He’s like misty, caught in this world of muck, and they don’t know what to do..

Joe, not wanting to come down to Putnam for a visit.. are you kidding.. the boy has had more fingers pointed at him that we can imagine, and with all the nutz running around putnam, would Joe be safe.. I think not..

FYI: There are no similarities between release guidelines for federal, state, or county inmates. The all are under their own judicial/legislative laws that are in place.

The case you keep referring to was of Navy Lt. Commander Michael Fricke. He was tried at the Naval Legal Service Office, Norfolk, Virginia, by a general court-martial composed of a military judge sitting alone. Pursuant to his pleas, he was found guilty of premeditated murder, in violation of Article 118, Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 USC § 918. On August 30, 1994.

So it wasn’t even a Federal Trial it was a military trial, and the guidelines were military guidelines.

The crime didn’t even take place in the state of Florida, the only connection to Florida is that is where the victim (his wife) was raised and where her family now lives.

Navy Lt. Commander Michael Fricke was a 38-year old Lieutenant Commander with 17 years of naval service at the time of the offense, and he was assigned to NAS Oceana, Virginia Beach, Virginia. About sunset on the evening of May 13, 1988, his 31-year-old wife, Roxanne, was shot and killed as she entered her vehicle after shopping at a Farm Fresh supermarket in Virginia Beach.

m2c, it depends on what their sentence is. Not all sex offenders or murders get sentenced to “life”. If they sentenced to a certain amount of years, like 30 or 50, they MUST serve 85% of that time before they can even be considered for early release. So say someone is sentenced to 30 years, before they can even be considered for early release for “good behavior” they MUST serve 25.5 years.

To limit the conversation to Florida,
your example is fine for those who are sentenced to 30 or 50 years for SO or murder but unfortunately not all sex offenses or murders are sentenced anywhere near to that amount of time.

I do not see the “justice” or purpose of illegal possession of one weeks supply of Hydrocodone having a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years and 500,000 fine – when a SO or murderer sentenced to 30 years can get out in the same amount of time or may be sentenced to far less in the first place.

A little OT on Kyron, what an evil witch Terri must be…

Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
Published: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 4:00 AM Updated: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 9:38 AM

A landscaper who worked for Kyron Horman’s family at their rural Northwest Portland home told authorities that the missing boy’s stepmom offered to pay him to kill her husband.

The landscaper told authorities that Terri Moulton Horman approached him with the murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before Kyron disappeared, The Oregonian has learned.

She reportedly offered the landscaper, who advertises his expertise in lawn care, a large sum of money to carry out the scheme, sources say

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

M2C, again, you are the voice of reason. WhyLie, what you said makes sense (ticks me off the way our Veterans are treated too!)

So, looking at everything again and still beleiving that Misty and Ron are innocent, and from the information we were given, I look at this from more of a view of what the individual could of been thinking and believing when this all happened and what caused and would explain the actions that occured.

So, if I went with the theory that Haleigh was taken by the ‘other side’ of the family, I would think that Haleigh was taken first, then handed off to someone outside the back ramp, then when the person went back in to get Junior, that is when Misty woke up. That ruined the plan. That then leads me to Crystal’s anger to get Jr. by making up stuff about Ron to make him look bad.

But, if it was a perp or a pedo, an abduction, then I think that they just wanted Haleigh.

Mostly, I really do wonder if Haleigh did not dissapear in the later daytime hours, right after dinner time?
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Theory: (Tommy very well could of done this instead of who I put in my theory, which I think is a high possibility).

I think Tommy was messed up and still looking for his pills. After partying with Misty all day, he went to find some with Joe in the van. They went to the woods (Misty saw them leave), she passed out, they got high on Meth, brought back some scum guy(s) from the woods who had pills. Tommy and Joe had no money, so they said they would trade a gun for the pills. They knocked on the door, Misty let them in. Joe was looking for the gun, couldn’t find it, so the guy took Haleigh. Misty is totally out of it. She thinks she sees the guy(s) leaning over Haleigh, but thinks its a dream. Maybe the squeaking on the couch info could be the guy(s) raping Joe? Maybe that’s why he is so freaked out and skittish? The guy(s) threatened their lives! The guy(s) made Joe drive them back through the woods with Haleigh. They threatened Tommy as they left him at the MH. So I am thinking here that maybe Tommy (being so high)remembers Joe being in the van with Haleigh, and that is where his story comes from. He is too chicken sh… to rat this guy(s) out, either out of fear of what they or Ron will do to him. Plus he can’t recall all the facts of that night.

Tommy stays there, the lights still on in the MH, he has to make it look like an abduction. He props the back door open (like he does in all of his burgalaries) and splits home. He gets there and him and Lyndsy argue about him being out all night. The dog goes crazy barking. The cops are called to their address.

Meanwhile, Joe doesn’t know his way back out of the woods. As he races back to Timmy’s, scared out of his wits, he scratches the van and there are bushes stuck in the headlights. He parks it in a different place at Timmys and passes out in his clothes.

Misty wakes up (for whatever reason) and she notices the kitchen light on. She goes that direction and needs to use the bathroom. She notices the back door wide open and Haleigh gone. The last she remembers is that Tommy and Joe were there and they were f’d up. She remembers her ‘dream’ somewhat and possibly some squeaking? She calls Tommy’s house to see if he is home. She calls Timmy’s and asks if Joe is there.

Logical deduction for Misty is that ‘it is possibly Joe who took Haleigh’, but then again, she knows and says that ‘the back door is set up with a brick just like Tommy does in his burgarlaries’. Hmmmm, who to believe?

Tommy figures Misty doesn’t remember, and he really can’t remember either, so heck, could of been Joe. So they go with that story. Only cops say that Joe is ruled out.

So, Misty now doesn’t know what to think, except hmmm, maybe it was an abduction? Look at the other side of the family.

Tommy tries hard to convince Lyndsy (and us) on the jail phone that he ‘knows what he is doing when he is high on pills’. “The truth is in the lie”. Maybe he does think he knows what he is doing when high on the pills, but what does that have to do with being high on Meth??

So, Tommy is freaking out, thinking that maybe he ‘did do’ something to Haleigh and that he doesn’t remember. So, he isn’t going down for it, which makes him first try to trick Misty into making it out to be Ron and that doesn’t work, so he blames Joe even more. He says that he remembers Joe telling a story about being able get away with killing someone if you put them in the river for the alligators to have.

LE, in their brilliance and glory, take that and run with it. They make it more than what it is. But they fail miserably. His not so bright lawyer blabs it all too, in his regretful scene now.

Lyndsy finds out the rest of what Joe told LE and wants a divorce. She now knows he was involved with this. Maybe she gets immunity for telling the truth about what she knows about that night, about him not being home like she first said?

Maybe LE now has the story I just told above, so they move him from where he is for his own protection. He has decided to rat out these guys. He doesn’t know their names or who they are.

(Tommy convinces Lyndsy that he lied to protect her and the kids).

(Ron is fed up with Misty and Tommy and all the BS, so he is throwing them under the bus on the drug deals).

(Misty is pissed that Ron turned his back on her, since she still really doesn’t know anything).

LE goes silent. They want no more talk from the trio or their families. They are going to find out who did this. Let’s pray they do, and SOON.

That’s my theory, and it fits for me. Explains everyone’s actions.

mlee said,in July 4th, 2010 at 10:38 am @beautiful*adams {cent},

Reading through the comments, your comment about Misty begging Crystal to believe her..

I totally agree.. Something that people need to stop and look at, they have a pre-conceived concept of misty.. She was a teenager, into drugs, sex, rocknroll.. Just like several million other teens are today.. Heck I could list a dozen or so, that I watched grow up with my Granddaughter.
Thus with the pre-conceived ideas, Misty must be guilty after all, she’s a teenager and she went to a wild party, and she’s living with this man ten years older than she.. She has to be the guilty person here.. After all she’s the one PCSO is looking at..

What if, she’s not?? What if she is the scapegoat?? What if she doesn’t know anything??
What if she had to make up the time line of the night from the time ron left, until ron arrived? What if, she did this for ron? What if she were not at that residence until after 1:30am.. What if she wasn’t ask to babysit until late, to cover between what time ron would normally get home and the time he expected to get home… 2 hours.. But in that 2 hours, she arrives only to find Junior and no Haleigh?? It would explain how her entire time line comes out a lie… All made up, and she’s stuck in the Muck.. and all others walk freely around.. Who would ask her to make up the story to cover for the night?? Ron?? Tn??
What would misty know?? NOTHING..

Then if you look at Tommys statement from last September.. If it were true, it would back up what I just said… NO ONE WAS AT THAT TRAILER, that night.. Just as the AC man may well have found no one at home at 5:00pm.
So where do the real answers lie…
with ron and tn… they know more than they have ever said.. might be the reason that they covered for misty so intently in the PUBLIC eye..
As long as PCSO spins in circles with what misty has told them so far.. they will never come close to the truth..

As far as this last episode with Tommy and PCSO, I think it was their last ditch effort to just frighten Tommy into telling what he really knows about that night.. And it is possible, although no one wants to believe, that he really knows NOTHING.. He’s like misty, caught in this world of muck, and they don’t know what to do..

Joe, not wanting to come down to Putnam for a visit.. are you kidding.. the boy has had more fingers pointed at him that we can imagine, and with all the nutz running around putnam, would Joe be safe.. I think not..
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Great Post Mlee!!!!!!!!!!
If people looked at it the way it is instead of how they want it to be they could see that too! jmo

Mlee,If my husbands murder was judged the way I wanted it to be,I wouldn’t be typing this now!
Sad thing is,in reality it isn’t!

the system simply doesn’t work that way!

Guys,
Alexs’ Mom took a turn for the worst and she may not be here for awhile but lets keep her and her Mother in our thoughts and prayers today right up there with Haleigh and all the others who need it!

Cent great post. The only part I question is if M was out part of the time – why doesn’t she just say that? (except that R would be furious I guess).
It would mean she doesn’t know what could have happened. It does not implicate anyone. And it does not mean that TN or R know what happened either.

Great post Iloves,and i have already seen it in Misty!
In the tape where she said,”this is not punishment,make me work,make me do things,and now I can get an education because I HAVE too!”

No one cared enought to MAKE her go to school!

that is the most heart breaking of all, CJ.. her own mom can’t read or write… she can only be a cleaning woman because she CAN’T read a menu to be a wait staff person or WRITE the order down. I do know that where I live, there are grants that allow people in homeless shelters to start with counseling, mental health doctor visits, and then even on to the local community college where courses can be taken for GED…

I could ONLY hope this could be offered to Lisa/Hank/Misty, and yes, Tommy.

iloves, I thought Lisa could read and write, that it was Hank, Sr. that couldn’t? I thought Lisa was the one that reads the letters to Hank, Sr? Lisa’s problems stem from long term addiction to both drugs and alcohol.

iloves, the last post I saw from Alex was about how her mom was in the hospital refusing a blood transfusion, that she was hoping she makes it through the weekend until her regular doctor gets back and can talk her into the transfusion. Has she posted since then?

Hank Can’t at all either he said!

While we would all like to believe, that putting Misty in jail will offer her the opportunity to change, become a better person, get her life in order, find God, get educated, get out of prison and become a contributor to society rather then a burden, the fact is that is not how it usually works.

Do we really believe that at 18 that Misty and Hope will serve 15, 25, 50, or more years in prison and come out of it being better then when they went in? I just don’t see that happening.

Now if they were sentenced to a shorter time period where they were offered the help and rehabilitation and where they could see light at the end of the tunnel for themselves to still be able to get out of prison and still have enough time to have a fulfilling life, then yes I can see it.

Our youth does not perceive time as we do, to them a year is a long time, 15 years is an eternity, 25 years a lifetime, what motivation will they have to change their lives when they are facing those kind of years behind bars?

exactly right Whylie,even Hope got that right when she said She’d come out worse,she was being a smart alek as teens do,but little did she know,its really true!
You have to have a survival mode to even make it out alive let alone better!

WhyLie, that is why I have been kind of speculating to myself the reasons for Misty’s attorney being so quiet, and not bringing attention to the fact that both her Putnam and St Johns trial dates were set for the same day. And also the reasoning that the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron and the reasoning his continuance has been denied.

This is all speculation on my part but…..I have a feeling that Misty’s attorney has a deal in the making that would get her sentenced as a Youthful Offender. The prosecutors would not want this done BEFORE Ron’s sentencing because then his attorney would start whining and crying on tv about how unfair it was to him for Misty to get a deal and not Ron. But once Ron is already sentenced any whining done about a deal made with Misty would be “too bad, so sad”.

I saw this documentary on i believe youtube,Omg it just broke my heart into……the prisoners bet amongst one another which new inmate will make it through their first night in prison! And who will be the first to breakdown and cry and it can be heard through the entire place!
Ya know,Thats absolutely so sad!
Thats when reality hits!

comment deleted. I have warned about this kind of stuff. I WILL NOT tolerate everyone new that comes in here being called a TROLL just because you disagree with them and I MEAN IT!

?Jan Barrett – BNN Editor

Granny 23 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

Cathy Jo, I love how you label every newcomer or anyone who doesn’t agree with you a troll..It’s quite amusing.

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Granny 23, it has actually gotten to the point that is no longer amusing. Didn’t read her post to you, after Jan closed down a comment page because of the total disrespect shown to the owners of this blog and total disregard for all other posters on this blog by this one poster, I made the vow to just scroll past all posts made by this poster as soon as I see the name. So please do not judge all other posters by just the one and feel free to join the rest in discussions.

Lady.. I am only basing my comment about Alex’s mom through CJ’s comment about her not being on here. Personally, I know nothing more than that post. I don’t email anyone off the board…

hope this explains…..

are you going to listen to the radio show today?

iloves, yes I will be listening to the show, blog with you there, lol.

Also that explains why I didn’t get your comment about Alex’s mom. (See previous comment, I have been very good at keeping my vow to myself)

And Granny 23, very sorry you were subjected to name calling in your first week of posting, please know that most of us welcome newcomers (as we all were one once). Hope you will stay and share your thoughts on the subject and hopefully one day we will see Justice for Haleigh.

and honestly.. call it entrapment.. whatever.. MISTY screwed up… she will get prison time… BUT she should be doing EVERYTHING possible to redeem herself this minute…

She like everyone else on her should get a second chance at redemption… hers will be behind some bars.. BUT SHE CAN do it.. and hopefully she has a decent attorney who is helping her this moment to better herself!!!!

I think Ron is going to plead out, take what he gets, and pray TC gets sent to the same prison.

Well,Maybe I was wrong to label someone a troll because I have had too many experiences with nics I have never seen before,who come for attack,If i accused wrong,I am sorry!
But anymore a “troll” to me is not a bad person,A troll in my definition is a new nic! jmo

right, Granny, and MISTY COULDA SHOULDA said NO to it!!!!

Granny 23 any new thoughts or insights are welcome. Everyone has a different perspective to this whole business, and the sharing of the differences sometimes helps others look at things in a new or different way.

LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:54 pm Yea, WhyLie, I don’t understand all the ins and outs of the continuance business, LOL. But I think that if the defense can not show a good reason (such as they did not have any new evidence or new witnesses) and the prosecutor objects to the continuance then the motion can be denied. I really think the prosecution has decided to NOT offer any type of deal for Ron and are saying lets just get on with it.

I asked my son about what a continuance meant, and he basically said the same thing as you (he’s a lawyer-Thank God his specialty is internet law).
They don’t need to be dragging these drug cases out forever.

and thats all i meant,there are some who don’t like others opinions so they go for the lets get them banned thing right off the bat!
Everytime someone disgarees then a new nic shows up pouncing,thats all i assumed it was,Sorry!
But I will admit when I am wrong! n/p lol

Oh, goody Granny 23, your son is a lawyer, we can “pick” his brain by proxy of you for the legalities we don’t understand.

phone dtr

I think the D/A told rons lawyer to ‘pound sand’ with regards to a ‘deal.

Maybe that will be their tone with misty at this point as well.

Exactly, jaba, The DA is not obligated to accept any plea deal. They may have more information that they have not released to the public as of yet.
I do think that Ron , with his prior arrest record, will not be getting any deals.
Misty may be another atter altogether, but she was caught doing the deed. It is a bit suspect that they waited until after her 18th birthday to arrest her, but we will have to wait and see how it all plays out.

True Granny,we just have to wait!

Hiya MrsM,good to see you this morning,lol or afternoon..lol
How are you 2day?

mrsm said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

i think sometimes ol’ timers here get “lurkers” and “trolls” mixed up…xxoo cathyjo

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Still no excuse for the constant name calling, jmo.

LadySadie.. so what’s up today? You enjoying your 4th?

i’m good CJ,kinda bored,nuthin’ to do 🙁 also kinda sick of the walkin on eggshells thing! i might become a lurker 🙂

Will celebrate with some neighbors later this evening, but up until then just relaxing and doing laundry, LOL. Will listen to Simon & Jan’s radio show at 5:00 my time then when the fireworks start over the ocean in Jax Beach will sit out in our backyard (condo shared backyard) drink a couple beers and enjoy the show all from the comfort of home. Couldn’t ask for a better evening!

Right,I can understand! but others can always find something to complain about when they make the time to look for the tiny things when theres nothing big! so just be Mrsm! lol

😉

wanna do SOMETHING…jus nuthin to do. really lost without a crowd to feed

Perhaps it was Ron that turned down a deal. Maybe the SA was wanting Ron to do something he decided he did not want to do. Either side could have not been satisfied and decided against making a deal.

IMO the State was foolish in not hammering out a deal with Ron (if they haven’t) in exchange for his testimony. If Fields is working on entrapment, or if he is able to get the videos tossed out, which does happen by the way, then the State sure would be able to make good use of Ron’s first hand knowledge about Misty’s drug use/sales history regardless if she has no arrest record.

To avoid entrapment the State will have to show that Misty was prone to that lifestyle/behavior/activities prior to the UC contacting her. Who better to testify to that (or against it) then Ron.

Maybe Fields will use Ron to testify at how LE has targeted Misty and told him they want Misty behind bars because of Haleigh being missing.

The State not making a deal with Ron may end up biting the State in the butt.

I just can’t see spending hundreds like some i know do,to watch it go up in smoke when they’re everywhere anyway! lol

I am smack in the middle of a huge subdivision,Man they get great fireworks,LoL Mrsm! 😉

My Grandson in in Ky with his other grandparents so I am by myself too! 😉

Jaba, I love your posts.. you just bring it all back to reality…. you going to listen to the show today and then chat??

My stomachs growling now! ,Mrsm! 😉
Hear it……’Ribsss and cornnn on the cobbbbbb!

Actually there are fireworks displays all over the city tonight. Downtown at the Alamo, at one of the Air Force bases, and at Fiesta Texas (I believe).
Since we have season passes for Sea World, it just makes sense to go there.

Well,I don’t doubt for a 2nd they’re beautiful in the city! I love city lights anyway! lol 😉
Holidays or not!

There is this home down here and every christmas people flock just to see it,you would not believe the display on their lawn,course they have a huge piece of property,lol even helicopters made with xmas lights and such! OMG Gorgeous!

CathyJo63 said,in July 4th, 2010 at 1:29 pm right Mrsm,you say potato,I say tater! lol
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no one says “tater” cept on the beverly hillbillys

I should explain i guess,the rally wasn’t in KW but we went from the rally,lol 😉

I say Mater too!

When humans invented words, it was for a purpose. So we’d all know what the heck each other was talking about. The word, “troll” has a very specific meaning when used in reference to the internet (as opposed to those hiding under bridges in children’s stories which is where it probably came from).

So we all know what we’re talking about, even newcomers, a “troll” is defined as “Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]

People posting on this thread for the first time, whether we all agree with their opinion or not, are not all trolls.

you may have a different opinion m2,but i just don’t share it! lol

no reason to fib about that! jmo

Exactly m2c, that is the accepted, WELL KNOWN, definition of internet troll.

brb phone

k. jaba, will look for you…
i am scarfacethemovie

Ils,

I may call in and listen. Need to run a few ‘firework’ errands.

Jan will probably address the issue today.

I think somme forget we are supposed to be here for Haleigh,not movies and popcorn!
This is a holiday and man!

In all fairness, Cathy Jo, you attacked me for having the audacity to post my opinion and called me a troll. I said nothing about you. PERIOD.

What do you have going on today Adams?? fun??

CathyJo, I love you dearly and consider you one of the greatest internet/surfing buddies that I have made her at BNN… I hate to see how the select few have decided once again to nit-pick with you, even after Jan asked that the feud NOT be carried over. I am angry and disgusted by this nonsense… I will spending more time away from here!

Granny 23 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

Actually there are fireworks displays all over the city tonight. Downtown at the Alamo, at one of the Air Force bases, and at Fiesta Texas (I believe).
Since we have season passes for Sea World, it just makes sense to go there.
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Lucky you, they canceled all of the stuff this weekend because it won’t stop raining..rain,rain, rain, rain, rain..

we are all here for HALEIGH…

focus

Respond/don’t react

HALEIGH……

Granny 23, I see that you live close by. I can see and hear the Alamo fireworks from home, so I am avoiding the heat and crowds. Have fun at SeaWorld.

iloves, the show should be interesting today, Simon said he and Jan were going to be meeting with Zach Pittman’s family yesterday. Hopefully they have some news on that end. But I really hope they give Haleigh more air time than the last few shows.

Where are you vaquera? We had all that storm nastiness this past week, but we got enough rain so we could have the fireworks!

CathyJo, no nothing fun, my sister is forcing me and one of my nephews to BBQ. I’m missing my 17 yr old baby… since my car blew-up last Monday, I can’t see him till my other car is souped up.

Hey Tame.. welcome.. happy fourth!

Mines broke too Adams,it smoles more than I do!

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We will be running our regular program on July 4. I don’t want to tip my hand, but this will be explosive. We will be looking at the latest information in the Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, and Zachary Pittman cases.

just did a cut and paste here for the show today… 2 hours, fellow chatters! Hopefully the large cap posters will be shooting some fireworks elsewhere!!!!!!!

and in all fairness Granny,I was not including you in the “gang” this has been going on for weeks! It is not you!

No kidding. The Marinade Dave nuts have ruined the show and chat for the last 2 weeks.

Thats why i suspected you,honest!!!!! I am so sorry!

and now I will drop it again!

jaba said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

I feel that some think they are starring in their own movie and we have to watch.

Look at gma hollers.

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😉 , I do believe we are on the same wavelength on this, LOL

Thank You Adams,Will do! lol

Dakotas in ky Adams,so I doubt I’ll do anything!

Is he? Is Ota ready to burst?

CathyJo63 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 12:53 pm edit

Well,Maybe I was wrong to label someone a troll because I have had too many experiences with nics I have never seen before,who come for attack,If i accused wrong,I am sorry!
But anymore a “troll” to me is not a bad person,A troll in my definition is a new nic! jmo
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CathyJo that is indeed wrong. Just because it is a new nic does NOT mean a troll, and I’ll thank you to remember that. This has got to stop as I have asked several times before but this is the last time

Jan Barrett – BNN Editor

Haleigh is the reason, yes.

But we talk about gym memberships, sick family members, tragedies of the past, fireworks….should we stop? And just talk Haleigh? I don’t have a definitive answer on what happened to her, sorry. Wish I did.

she’s going to split wide open imo Adams!

Jaba, for myself? I am here for HaLeigh.. and I love to read insight from everyone.. I have truly learned alot and love what some have brought to this case. It is hard to disect it.. I just wish something would break soon…

chat with you soon!!

WhyLie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:38 pm WHERE’S HALEIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am coming out of lurk mode for a second. Best post of the day. OT. Did anyone hear that Terry Hormon may have been trying to hire someone to kill Kryon’s father. This is getting worse than the Cummings/Crolins family. I did not think that was possible.

I am going back to lurk. Happy 4th all

Don’t worry about it Jan,they win,I will not be back,you obviously do not see the real wrongs,they taunt and taunt,and i for one am sick of being blamed,if you go thru all of them you would clearly see that,I have every single lure ccp and ,and Jan…i did apologize,Obviously i had the wrong impression of you!
Why do you only choose my posts when its evident Jan that it is not me!
If you are because of the brown nose comment,i did not say that to offend you,I just got fed up with her doing it and running to you to get her out of it when she already worried you didn’t have enough time!
But I do know my conscience is clear!
Everybody,anytime you need me all you have to do is email me! love you guys dearly!

Guess you all are happy now!!

Pcso contacted simon thinking simon had a tip based on the wording of this article. Simon was talking about the pittman case with his words.

Someone from pcso wanted to try and work the tip if there was one. Simon made the point that le cares.

I agree.

I wonder if someone sent the link to pcso or they read here at times.

Jaba–I was under the impression that PCSO had the right people in jail, hence the questioning/interrogating. I also thought the case was solved. Why would they need a tip when they can “squeeze” the truth out of Tommy and Misty any time they choose? Frankly, that tells me they have nothing/not enough evidence to charge nor convict anyone. Why would the PCSO need a tip from a blogging forum to start with, hence the call to Simon. If PCSO hadn’t of alienated the public in the first place (not taking tips seriously for example) then this investigation might not have dragged on this long in the first place. I take heed in what John Walsh has stated “The public will find the child, not the police. You need the public’s help (paraphrasing)”. As far the statement analysis of the lawyer, I tend to look over some of this information (however enlightening and interesting) when the expert cannot spell the lawyer’s name correctly. LOL. Thank you for the information about the show since I cannot listen. It sounded pretty interesting and put some things in perspective for me (like the status of the investigation). JMO

Whats funny WhyLie, is our own local media (news4jax) keeps spelling his (Werter) name wrong. Geez, don’t journalist have to take spelling classes anymore?

CathyJo63 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 2:53 pm edit
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CathyJo63 said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 3:01 pm edit
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I will address this the best I can…

I have no clue who you are talking about when you said something about someone running to me for something. I didn’t have anyone run to me. I told everyone that we was going to keep the other threads open but the very first one that starts something will be banned. And yes you did start by calling someone a troll and then you plainly explained to everyone in here that your opinion of a Troll was any new nic that comes in here which I certainly do not approve of.

That is definitely unfair to everyone else. Do you think it would have been fair to everyone if I had just shut down yet another thread and punish them all for your words left in a comment? I don’t think so. I will say you are not the only one that does this. In fact a lot WERE doing it so I am being forced to track down all the comments left after I go to bed at night to make sure it doesn’t happen again which is not an easy job, and one that should not be necessary but apparently is after what I read last night.

You can say what you want about me but there is no one in here that can honestly say that I have not given fair warning in here instead of banning because I have. I was hoping that we could start over without all the trouble but I guess it is impossible.

I apologize to anyone that this has hurt but please give me a break and stop and think about this. I just want to keep BNN peaceful and a comfortable place for everyone to discuss these cases. Unfortunately it seems that some are determined to get us shut down by not respecting everyone else. I really am sorry and trust me I don’t like being the bad guy but it is part of my job. We want all new comers to feel welcome and insinuating they are a troll is insulting without proof before the accusation is made. I hope you all understand.

Have a great time with what is left to our 4th of July. I guess you can say mine has been ruined now. God bless you all!

Jan Barrett – BNN Editor

Jan, my 4th is certainly not ruined. I understand what is required of you to do. You have given all of us opportunity after opportunity to do the right thing. My honest opinion is that you were fair, you gave it one more shot, and then it was done.

And for what it is worth… the show today was so good and I am so at peace that all of us are on the same page for HaLeigh… I honestly feel that WE are her family and we have to speak for her and advocate for her. For me, I am not on this blog to read in excess about a blogger’s personal life that isn’t pertinent to myself or this case. That’s what personal email is for.

Back to HaLeigh and the respect that Jan and Simon warrant. If you notice, I jump in pretty much everyday with HaLeigh as my subject. That is why I am here..

she is the focus….

thanks…. for listening….

So are we NOT to talk about personal matters? I thought that is what makes us human, by being able to come together and share AND get insight into worlds that are beyond some of OUR comprehension. I will not stop talking about my “personal” life, unless I am instructed to do so by Jan & Simon. The reason being, is because I have been helped by many good souls here, because I opened up and shared, and I am willing to do the same for others. I am grateful for that, and for the many other “personal” revelations that have come from the BNN family of Bloggers!!! What may NOT be relevant to you, just may be the one personal story told, that helps someone get thru the night!

If you read my post, I said that is not my reason to come on a blog, bac..

Please don’t get defensive on my opinion that I choose to explain for myself. No, I am not on any blog site that is for a missing person to talk about too much more than that subject.

Don’t read into anything more than what I said was relevant to me. Thanks.. have a good evening…

I’m not being defensive, I am being direct and honest! I am offering up an explanation as to why some of us share our “personal” life.

lol, no, iloves, I don’t think Tommy’s court date will be on live tv.

Thanks, Lady… you had mentioned earlier that you thought it was at 1:30p? This would tell me that on Tuesday evening that JVM and NG may have it on their shows….

so nothing this week?

how did you find this??? and thank you…

Hello everyone, the above change is just another seperate court date for the jail incident not his sentence for the drug charges on the 6th. He will be in court on the 16th to prove cause in the supposed mistreatment lately. jmo

I cant believe here was bickering again, everytime i leave these days i come back to find its happened again! BA cent i am glad you were here to say what you did. i totally agree and think it is all a big shame. Not trying to bring the subject up again,just had to voice my opinion cuz i find it sad.

Even the reporter in this video calls Tommy’s lawyer, Warner instead of Werter.

sorry, LadySadie

New article.

Thanks to you all for your support in here. To all the emails I have received I thank you for them as well.

I am not a hard one to work with and I do believe in second, even third sometimes, chances and I will be the first that I might not always handle things the way someone else would. I know I am not always right (don’t tell Simon that though because I think I finally got him convinced that I am always right LOL)so perhaps that is one reason I do give chance after chance.

So I do appreciate all of you that do support us here. I would be sad if anyone else decides to leave but I had to do what I had to do and yes some got hurt but in an open chat I guess that is to be expected.

So I hope you all have had a happy and a safe 4th of July. Relax and enjoy what is left of it. God bless you all 🙂

Jan Barrett

Lillymae said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

I think that this is only for Tommy’s complaint.

07/01/2010 41 MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF
07/01/2010 41 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING
07/01/2010 41 HEARING SET 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM
07/02/2010 42 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM
07/02/2010 42 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF
07/02/2010 42 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING

I believe the sentencing date of 7/6 still stands as is.

LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:29 pm WhyLie, that is why I have been kind of speculating to myself the reasons for Misty’s attorney being so quiet, and not bringing attention to the fact that both her Putnam and St Johns trial dates were set for the same day. And also the reasoning that the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron and the reasoning his continuance has been denied.

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Why do you say the prosecutor is not dealing with Ron? Last I heard both sides were negotiating. Have you heard something since then? As for a continuance being denied, can you tell me where I can find the reasons for the denial?….I thought we only had the court docket which doesn’t say who filed the motion or the reasons for it’s refusal. Where did you get that info?

UCN: 542010CF000145XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: TRIAL
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION

Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias: No Alias Records

Date # Docket Description
01/21/2010 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (1/13/10)
01/21/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
01/21/2010 1 TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE MORE THAN 14 GRAMS LESS
01/21/2010 1 THAN 28 GRAMS
01/21/2010 2 WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 3 ARREST REPORT – 1/20/2010
01/22/2010 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 10-00276
01/22/2010 3 BOND SET AT $150,000.00
01/22/2010 4 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO FLAGLER COUNTY
01/22/2010 4 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY, FLORIDA
01/22/2010 5 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
01/22/2010 5 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS
01/22/2010 5 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF
01/22/2010 6 SOURCE OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL
01/22/2010 7 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
02/03/2010 8 INFORMATION – TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE (14G – 28G)
02/03/2010 9 MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR TRIAL
02/05/2010 10 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
02/05/2010 11 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
02/09/2010 12 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE
02/10/2010 13 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
02/10/2010 14 WITNESS LIST
02/10/2010 15 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
02/11/2010 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010) IN JAIL
02/11/2010 17 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02-18-2010)
02/17/2010 18 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/17/2010 18 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (FAX)
02/18/2010 19 ORDER SETTING CASE FOR PRETRIAL 03/31/2010
02/19/2010 20 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,AND DEMAND
02/19/2010 20 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (ORIGINAL)
02/23/2010 21 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-31-2010) IN JAIL
02/23/2010 22 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
03/03/2010 23 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
03/17/2010 24 NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY
03/31/2010 25 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
03/31/2010 25 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
03/31/2010 25 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
04/07/2010 26 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05-13-2010) IN JAIL
04/07/2010 27 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (05-13-2010)
04/26/2010 28 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 29 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/06/2010 29 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 30 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/06/2010 30 STATE’S MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
05/06/2010 30 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT’S
05/06/2010 30 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
05/07/2010 31 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/07/2010 32 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/07/2010 32 ISSUED TO: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/07/2010 33 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/07/2010 33 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/10/2010 34 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (FAX)
05/10/2010 35 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)
05/11/2010 36 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING
05/13/2010 37 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/13/2010 37 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
05/13/2010 37 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/13/2010 38 ORDER SETTING TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/28/2010 39 LETTER FROM ANNETTE SYKES
06/07/2010 40 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-19-2010)
06/07/2010 41 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-19-2010)
06/15/2010 42 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
06/28/2010 43 MOTION TO CONTINUE
07/01/2010 44 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TRIAL DATE AND
07/01/2010 44 GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE

LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Didn’t read her post to you, after Jan closed down a comment page because of the total disrespect shown to the owners of this blog and total disregard for all other posters on this blog by this one poster, I made the vow to just scroll past all posts made by this poster as soon as I see the name.

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In fairness to CJ, Jan closed the comment page down due to 3 posters, not just CJ. I don’t think telling newbies that CJ was the only problem is at all helpful.

But in any event, welcome to BNN Granny!
Welcome

Tame4Justice said,in July 4th, 2010 at 2:33 pm Hi all. After reading some of the previous posts, I want to tell you who I am. SWF no kids, no pets no husband. I have Multiple Sclerosis and use a walker indoors and a wheelchair outside. I do not see that well unless I am staring at it. Thus, my new best friend- the computer. I am a disabled-retired teacher. Before that I worked for the County Governemnt. I hope this thread can stay up. I look forward to taking my time reading all of your posts. I try to interject humor and kindness. I respect Jan and Simon to much to respond to someone else about negative comments.
If you read my other post you would see. JMHO
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Welcome to BNN Tame4Justice! I think we all love and respect Simon and Jan but at times it can get a bit tense. But, you have found the very best place to read and blog about Haleigh and I’m glad you’ve joined us!

me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

My thoughts exactly. Jan came in and wanted things to finish, but Lady and a few others just keep posting about it over and over. It’s feeling a bit Lord of the Flies in here. Aaaarrrrgh.

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Excuse me! I have NOT responded to or even READ one of CJ’s posts in DAYS. I am not the one that came on and started calling new posters nasty names. I was very offended that certain posters could not respect Jan enough to honor her requests so I made a decision to not even read their posts, so you are somehow trying to blame something on me?

Grandma of 5, I posted Jan’s email address on the other article where you asked for it. But here it is.

jannyo@gmail.com

mrsm said,in July 4th, 2010 at 8:00 pm I cant believe here was bickering again, everytime i leave these days i come back to find its happened again! BA cent i am glad you were here to say what you did. i totally agree and think it is all a big shame. Not trying to bring the subject up again,just had to voice my opinion cuz i find it sad.
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I feel sad about it too. I don’t always agree with CJ, but found her one of the most delightful forum posters I have ever come across. Nice to be agreeing with you on something!

LadySadie said,in July 4th, 2010 at 10:02 pm me said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

My thoughts exactly. Jan came in and wanted things to finish, but Lady and a few others just keep posting about it over and over. It’s feeling a bit Lord of the Flies in here. Aaaarrrrgh.

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Excuse me! I have NOT responded to or even READ one of CJ’s posts in DAYS. I am not the one that came on and started calling new posters nasty names. I was very offended that certain posters could not respect Jan enough to honor her requests so I made a decision to not even read their posts, so you are somehow trying to blame something on me?
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I was referring to the fact you couldn’t let it go and just kept posting about CJ over and over. Poor CJ….she’s been a friend to so many here for a long time and I really feel for her and what has happened and I’m sure I’m not the only one.

*me*, I never mentioned which posters I was not reading, that is an assumption that you for some reason made.

You do realize this is Jan and Simon’s blog not the CathyJo Show right?

*me*, then do not try and lay blame with me when it was someone else’s decision to disregard Jan’s requests and to attack new posters and continue to call other posters by nasty names.

WhyLie said,
in July 4th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

Does anybody think that LE has enough evidence to get a warrant issued by the Grand Jury?
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not just no, but hell no. All they have is what Misty/Tommy told them.

Me- I did get Jan’s e-mail.Thanks for asking.I also enjoy Cathy and Bac.Have a good evening.I am going to bed now.The 4th of July parade is tomorrow. It goes past my son’s house.We watch it and then have a cookout together.Everyone is so busy it’s good to be able to get together for family. I hope and pray there is news of Haleigh very soon.Take care