The events over the past few days are clearly wearing on the overworked team trying to find the answer to exactly what happened to Haleigh Cummings. The PCSO are not the most forthcoming of organizations, but even I understand their frustration. They have been working hard on the case for 14 months. I think this statement speaks for itself:
Media Release
April 16, 2010
The recent overwhelming number of requests for information in the Haleigh Cummings investigation has forced the agency to temporarily change our procedure for responding to media calls.
On April 14, 2010, I personally received over two hundred and fifty (250) telephone calls or emails from media outlets requesting information or interviews in the Haleigh case. On April 15, 2010, I received over a hundred calls. Due to our limited resources, I physically have been unable to respond to all of these requests. Certain media outlets have also attempted to contact the Haleigh investigative team directly. These attempts cause an unneeded distraction for the investigative team, and we ask that members of the media refrain from contacting investigators directly.
I will provide releases to the media whenever a significant event occurs during this investigation. In the event there is a major development in the case, which justifies a live release or a press conference, I will inform all media outlets well in advance so they have time to prepare.
Members of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office will not be participating in any formal interviews or providing additional statements regarding this week’s search. We appreciate the media for keeping our citizens updated on the Haleigh Cummings investigation, but the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is concentrating on conducting a thorough investigation to insure the individuals responsible for this crime are brought to justice.
Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackBless their hearts! It isn’t bad enough they have to deal with these lowlife lying sacks of cow poop called the Croslin Clan but the vultures won’t stop circling either. Sure, I want to know the truth but I don’t want ANYTHING to compromise the investigation and I want JUSTICE to be served. So, everyone back off, give these guys and gals some breathing room and when the time is right, we will ALL know the truth. I suggest we all brace ourselves for that day because I have a feeling the truth is far more hideous than many of us have imagined. God rest her little soul. Fly high with the angels baby girl. We love you angel!
Our need to know what is going on can take a huge back seat to the people who are out there vigilantly doing their job.
We all want to see justice served in this case and all cases.
Go get em’ boys! (and girls!)
I have seen some of the theories and my theory in the beginning was Tommy had opportunity to unlock the back door earlier when he was there. He was going to rob the gun(and from past events we know he has a thing for this and I think he took it the first time and Joe took the blame for hiding it in the ditch). But it gets easier to do when Ron calls him and Tommy thinks Misty has left. He goes in to steal and turns on the light, Haleigh wakes and thinks its daddy home from work. She goes to kitchen and Tommy freaks and covers her mouth so she wont wake Misty. With asthma she could suffocate easily or he is too rough. Misty wakes up to find Tommy and a dead Haleigh. Tommy says he didnt mean it and will lose his kids(which Misty says she loves)and Misty knows she will lose Ron because she didnt protect Haleigh. The yellow rope came from somewhere was it from Tommys house? We know where the brick came from. They take Haleigh and put her in the river, Misty waits with a story that they all hope will point to a SO in the area but media frenzy begins and things get crazy. Joe may have been there with Tommy but he may also have been out doing something else with the van, like doing drugs and partying.jmo
hi all this is off topic but it concerns news on caylee anthony,bozo is trying to get judge strickland kicked out,said he was communicating with a blogger on a blog site,shouldn’t the judge in turn try to get bozo barred,for having his client write in letters she has a huge crush on him,and i think he has one on her,so he should not be allowed to defend her,now back to haliegh
Nicely said tuff stuff, I can’t agree more.
Funny how Art Bald Harris hasn’t updated his website and has not been on the Nancy Grace or JVM show lately. He really screwed up by releasing the PI’s name on Nancy’s show. I have never seen somebody so unconcerend with solving this case and so concerned with his own adjenda – he probably goes to bed everynight dreaming about winning an investigative journalist award for his reporting on this case….keep dreaming bald man.
Tobias – interesting theory. I think it is really possible. I can’t shake my doubts in Ron though.
I am watching NG right now (only because she is NOT hosting). If Joe is innocent, I feel so sorry for him. Imagine the feeling that people value you so little that they feel your life is dispensable. Even his grandma turns on him. What a mess.
since nothing else is going on at the moment , i thought i’d throw out a theory about JO
…most 21 year old kids with no life or money don’t take trips across several state lines for no reason than just to party and have fun… too costly on gas with no money unless they really do have money…
…money from illegal activities like …oh, i don’t know, maybe prescription drug trafficking…
… its possible his boyos in Tenn. either break and enter into pharmacies to steal them or maybe bigger scenario like rob trucking shipments…
…one of those boyos then places a respected amount from the stolen shipment with JO, who now “owes” a lot of money to a higher crime boss until he can transport and sell to receive payment and his cut…
…a young hoodlum kid /few others with no ‘real’ means to go that far, suddenly take off to Florida… (wasn’t even for Spring Break or something like that..ya know.. it was early February still… did he have tickets to the Superbowl or something to take a trip at that time?…
…(Ron, is not a family member) like Misty or Tommy are…even other original players like nay-nay were introduced through the Croslins side of that MC/RC relationship…
… it’s likely possible that JO and TC were Ron’s higher ups in this “prescription drug ring”…
..if Ron was ‘fronted’ a stash of pills and was lousy in selling them or or getting money from customers or even took too many himself, he may have racked up a debt to JO who himself is on a’front’ and feeling some ‘real’ pressure back home and needed some expensive collateral to resell as payoff to some’no BS’ criminals who have no trouble slicing up or shooting ‘fronters’ who don’t pay…
…if a gun was ‘talked about as collateral but Ron wouldn’t give up the gun, that could’ve prompted a break-in to get a gun…
…setting the rest in motion…
…so could prescription drugs be travelling the other way from TN to FL and not the reverse…
…Misty would not be scared of a skinny kid like JO unless he was really ‘highly involved’ with some bad dudes… was JO their pusher?… did Misty go to stay with JO bcz his higher-ups wanted to speak to her about shutting up or ending up in the river too?…
…and if Tommy was a pusher on Rons level or just introduced the two for traficking, then he would have to be kept in line too… so who really put the headless rat in the mailbox if rons white truck was out of service and why the loyalty to JO in phone conversations from jail…? ( just a theory )
big mistake by tommy’s lawyer letting his wife on NG..not helpful.
I’m surprized the “knife to throat letter” is real thou..
Wow Mel22, a good theory.
thought that was Timmy’s wife, not Tommy’s… isn’t Tommy’s wife the fatter one
Mel22 – LOL – it is Timmy’s wife!
Mel – very deep palusible theory. Common blogger folks don’t understand the inner workings and harsh reality of the drug dealing world.
And to add to your theory…Another piece is that I believe Joe was obsessed with Misty his whole life (kissing cousins). Remember he supposedly abused her when they were younger and aledgedly raped her. When he came to visit he saw her with Ronald and became insanely jelous. Coupled with the bad drug dealings, altercations, etc. I believe he dispised Ron. If Cousin Joe is a bad seed and was drugged up (like Misty claims in the letter) why wouldn’t he get relatiation on Ron for everything by taking the one thing he really adored from him. And worse feeding her to the Aligators. If this is true then Cousin Joe is making Ron suffer like he wanted. Ron’s in Jail with the thought of his daughter being tied with a rope and eaten by alligators. I know this is horrible but this type of person (Joe) does exist and these things happen all of the time. Think of the mafia in New York. But this is only possible if Joe is an evil person. If not, the only other scenerio is the accidental OD and cover-up by a bunch of really dumb kids. I do not think Misty or Tommy maliciously killed or took part in killin Haliegh. Joe is an unknown though to everybody. And his innocense on TV doesn’t mean anything. Look at Susan Smith and Casey Anothy.
Chelsea let Joe stay with them and her kids for 2 weeks and now he is crazy???? She is protecting her family and needs to stop. She has been feeding AH news from Satsuma by way of MASS for a long time WHY? Why is she on and not Timmy? heIS mISTY AND tOMMYS BROTHER ISNT HE? He was around when things happened wasnt he? Why is his wife talking for him??? jmo
Timmy failed a LDT too.jmo
Hi everyone….I was just curious as to everyones opinons about the profiler on NG tonight. Her point she made about RC acting as if he already knew Haleigh was dead makes sense. So far LE is saying that Tommy, Misty and Joe are not suspects…dosent leave many options…Im kind of all over the place with this case, but was just curious on other’s opinions.
Tobias – good point. Chelsea said she didn’t even know Joe but everybody says hes crazy yet he stayed with her for two weeks???? HMMMMM
I am starting to feel Timmmy may be involved. I just didnt see it until Chelsea came on HLN she is doing damage control for her husband who could have taken that van too and failed a LDT. JMO
Timmy also left when things looked like they were going to get worse instead of better. Like a SO getting blamed instead of Misty.
And Misty failing TM LDT that happened in aug. AND tIMMY LEFT AROUND THAT TIME. JMO
… i’m not even saying JO went their with the INTENT to take Haleigh but that things got out of hand when he might have entered to get the gun he was promised and then Ron reneged on.
@kitty kat…to be honest I still think a dumbbunch of partying kids might have doped her up to put her to sleep…
… I also am still on the party house theory in the Mondex but with the wrong pond…I think skywise mentioned the tracing of bricks to that house too ,as well ,in case that theory still holds true..test against the piles at both trailers b4 they get dumped..
Joe doesn’t handle anger well. I see that in his clenched fists as he stormed away from the interview outside his attorneys office.
I suspect he is obsessed with guns, and possibly knives, too.
@tobias… i think Timmy might be involved too but was wiser than to take ‘fronts’and paid cash for his stashes and allowed JO to stay since he was stopping in from TN (with a new shipment to deal out and make everyone money)… Suddenly he up and moves to MA…
Wendyz… I thought the very same thing about Ron. Also why would a grieving parent want to be placed in general population? Either he did know already and has gotten over it (her death) or he just wants to be the famous Ron Cummings in the jail house yard. Maybe both. I just cannot imagine why he would want to have people around him while he is grieving. I never thought he had anything to do with her being taken but now I wonder. One more thing, he was so emotional when she was taken, the 911 call,”I am gonna kill who ever took her…” and then falling on the ground begging and sobbing for her to come back, and now when he is told she is in fact gone, he shows no emotion at all???
I didn’t see a crying ,sad Jo.. I saw a ‘scared’ with going to a prison with killers twice his size: in his eyes. And that almost snort when saying he didnt do it was bcz he was seeing an immage of her dead body while saying it and realizing he might be someones boytoy in jail snort.. thats what I saw .. watch it again you’ll see what I mean… his systems almost convulsing over the thought… punk thug !
Ron yelling … you let THEM take her… insted of …check outside,, maybe shes outside … tells me he knew his ‘fronters’, (whoever they are)… took her until he would ‘pay up’… and why THEM… more than one.. if he thought a regular ‘ol SO weirdo took her, he would’ve said something different then ‘you let THEM take her’. He had nothing to do with it but his DEBTS did and thats the part he knows. I’ll bet for awhile he ‘actually’ thought he had the chance to get her back alive if he bypassed the police. He probably thought once he went to police ‘she’d be killed’. and he probably wanted Tommy to not ‘rat’ on the whole drug situation they were involved in….. ok i’m out enough speculating again b4 proof ) ( just sharing my thoughts on how these lowlife’s think) ( to catch a criminal you must think like a criminal )
One more thought, I wasn’t going to say it but I have to. The whole Croslin family seems guilty to me. And why or how can a grandmother (Flora) sit there and talk about them killing and throwing this innocent, defenseless child in the river, “I don’t even know if she was alive or dead when she hit the water” where is her compassion? And why on earth would she not have asked why this happened or what made them do this? That would be anyone’s second question IMO.
Like many of us here, I don’t know any of these people but I really care about HaLeigh and this is just making me sick to hear all of this. I have been crying all week and people who know her like the Croslin’s act like no big deal… I don’t know what I am trying to say, this is just tragic, a horrible nightmare. I also want to apologize to Marie and Crystal for ever thinking for a second they had anything to do with her being taken. Johnny and Connie Sheffield also. I guess it was better to think they took her and hid her then to think of her being murdered.
Mel22, you reminded me of something else. Remember when Misty was asked about HaLeigh’s blanket and she says THEY took it in the van… I am going to try to find that interview. It wasn’t about the blanket but someone was talking about her washing HaLeigh’s blanket because Misty said she had wet on it. I have to look for it, anyone else remember that?
Iowamom, I too recall her saying something to the effect of ‘they took in the van’.
iowamom, I am so surprised that you would feel this way about Ron. I’ve always felt that you were LE and privy to the details of this case. But I agree with you his newest behavior and lack of emotion is very bizarre. Why do you think it would be so different now?? especially when there is the possibility of sexual abuse??? I have never seen a case with any more deception from so many angles as this one. It seems as though there are lies and cover-ups on all sides.
@iowamom, I remember all the ‘THEY’s very clearly.. glad I could jog your memory… that part always bothered me too… one last thing.. if this river scenario plays outt it seems likely to me that they woyuld need a rowboat to get her out to the middle… could it be possible that long scratch on the van was from a small boat like a canoe… possibly when taking down off the top…does the van have a rack on top? do any of then own or have usual access to a canoe/boat.rowboat?
… this place was supposedly Jo fishin spot so they could’ve looked like any midnight fly fishers to anyone around.. could’ve quick opened the back hatch once the canoe was in the water and put the body in..maybe they rigged up the bricks after getting to the middle
ok now i’m out.. statrin to post too much speculation b4 we even have any other ‘confirmed’ proof or new evidence
G-man, no I have FBI in my family but I am not LE. I always thought Ron was innocent and I was very sad for him. Not anymore. I really hope he is innocent for JR and his other little ones sake. I cannot imagine anyone taking anyone’s life, especially a child. Right now 20/20 is running the story of little Somer from Orange Park. Wow, so sad.
Mel22, that is a very good point, with all the people living by the water down there I bet someone had a canoe or small boat they could steal, or borrow… I think there is a rack on the top of the van, if I remember correctly it is a Town and Country and my neighbor has one- it has the roof rack.
How is everyone today? Any word from Tommy’s wife?
I am getting tons of emails on my myspace blog about Grandma Flo and her being a drug addict and a money Who*re??
Whats the verdict on this??
Prayers WORK
Hi BB12-Chris, First, thanks for telling me that you got that dna kit at a County Fair in Carver County, MN (I grew up in MN so I remember the location, Prior Lake and all). I now understand that Ron and Crystal could have gotten one of those…
MORE IMPORTANTLY, not really, but I read your FB post today and Ron has 4 children? I know about 3, HaLeigh, Junior and Brandon (?), the one with Amber, who is the fourth?
TIA!!
I think Ron wants to go in General Population so he can find some body to knock off Jo, Misty and Tommy.
Mel, interesting observation! He’s a small guy – guns no doubt help him feel less vulnerable.
He appears to me to be feeling sadness over the family outing him, but I’ll look again for what you see.
Flora has accused Joe, and she claims Misty and Tom told her in phone calls from the jail that Joe killed Haleigh, but Tom’s attorney says that Tom never said that.
Flora cried for Misty, not Haleigh, and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that she and Misty have dumped on Joe in the past – perhaps even in regards to the rape allegation Misty made against Joe.
Not saying he didn’t, but Misty, and apparently her grandmother Flora (and her mother, of course) are DECEPTIVE.
kitty kat, good mind. He needs damage control, as of Sunday…
BB12-Chris,
Flora LIED on NG if Tom’s attorney is telling the truth (that Tom never called Flora and said Joe killed Haleigh).
IMO, it is unlikely the attorney is lieing, as the jail calls are recorded.
i agree with Mel and IowaMom….RC’s behavior is just not adding up to me right now….maybe the tears and hysterics and all the “emotion” in the beginning had me fooled, but now it just seems really fishy. I just think this whole thing is gonna blow here real soon, and all I can decipher from this whole Croslin Cummings Clan is that a little girl was killed in the midst of a bunch of drugged up kids. Such a shame, may she rest in peace.
Kate said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Hi BB12-Chris, First, thanks for telling me that you got that dna kit at a County Fair in Carver County, MN (I grew up in MN so I remember the location, Prior Lake and all). I now understand that Ron and Crystal could have gotten one of those…
MORE IMPORTANTLY, not really, but I read your FB post today and Ron has 4 children? I know about 3, HaLeigh, Junior and Brandon (?), the one with Amber, who is the fourth?
TIA!!
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Kate- I live in Prior Lake. My son is graduating from PL one year early so we are moving to Utah in June.
I very much doubt Ron has a dna kit or dna was taken. I assume LE has HaLeigh dna from her toothbrush, hairbrush, pillow….IMO
Ron has 4 kids- 2 boys, 2 girls, the one your missing is the girl living in a trailer park with grandmother, BIO mom is hooked on drugs real bad. She is very paranoid about RON. The child does have a chromosome disorder and does collect social security disability. The other Boy is by the one Misty told on myspace comments that she (misty) was going to take her child away to and be his momma….too.
The other baby momma is Crystal she had JR and HaLeigh.
All 3 baby mommas = All where under age when having sex with Ron, ALL where hooked on drugs. All claimed Ron beat them. All are afraid of Ron. ALL media reps are aware of ALL 3. They all gave LE interviews.
wrong kitty cat…typically only child sex offenders, child killers, police officers, snitches and celebrities are housed in protective custody..ron wants none of that to rub off on him..he is a celebrity thou, by way of infamy.
Jason said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
BB12-Chris,
Flora LIED on NG if Tom’s attorney is telling the truth (that Tom never called Flora and said Joe killed Haleigh).
IMO, it is unlikely the attorney is lieing, as the jail calls are recorded.
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Here is the letter from my blog
Here are Kayla’s own words in defense of her brother JOE Overstreet:
THE LETTER #1
I am Joe Overstreet’s sister, granddaughter of Flora Hollars. Before yall go and start believing all these stories that Joe had something to do with Haleigh yall need to realize who’s stories has changed every time they have talk to someone..Now my Grandmother want to get involved yall can’t believe her either she is just out to try and get some money out of people..She is already receiving money from a lot of people in Florida that is the only reason she is talking..One minute she will tell Joe that she knows he didn’t do it then turn around and tell Misty and Tommy the same thing..Joe is innocent,he had nothing to do with this..He was on vacation and was planned to leave on Feb. 10 2009 just as he did.. He did not just up and leave he talk to the police before he left..Misty and Tommy and also my grandmother is crazy..Before the law believes anything that my grandmother Flora Hollar’s say they need to do a drug test on her to make sure she is not doped up and knows what she is talking about… She is only out to try and get a reward… She will change her story just as much as Tommy and Misty will..My brother was just in the wrong place at the wrong time..He is a good guy. Tommy and Misty just thinks they will get a plea if they try and blame it on someone else..And also if Tommy made the call to my Grandmother that him and Joe had done that to Haleigh why was that phone call not recorded all the rest of them are..I would not put it past my grandmother to make something like that up..She is a very selfish lady that is just out for money and attention…(I fixed the spelling errors)
Could be the more honest family is Joe Overstreet’s, as Misty is a huge liar, and it seems her gramma Flora is too!
Earlier I posted a thought about Joe’s anger, observed in a still shot of him with clenched fists as he abrubtly left the interview outside his attorney’s office.
Hmm . . .
He felt angry and left, instead of expressing how he felt in words.
Hmm . . .
Well, don’t know enough about him and his family to make a judgement call on their hoesty, or lack off, but his myspace pages certainly do not reveal a happy, healthy-minded young man, IMO.
Iowamom?
I thought it was your FBI Uncle that was telling you that Haleigh was safe, FBI knew where she was etc?
What happened to your FBI Uncle and other FBI members moving in to bring Haleigh home?
BB12-Chris, totally interesting. So how do I access your blog? Very much want to do so.
Jason, No, Joe does not “present well,” as they say in the corporate world.
BB12-Chris, Congrats to your son and his early graduation! Utah will be such a dream after those eternal MN winters.
What I was thinking the other day about HaLeigh’s dna was that sure, it’s around, toothbrush, pillow, Turner’s syndrome, etc. but Art Harris’ comment, “dna sample that was taken for this purpose…” can’t get there. Ronald and Crystal could hardly feed the girl, from what I can tell, and yet they had the foresight to do the dna kit? OK.
But that was just my frustration with AH. Not a major point, really.
BB12….
As far as I’m aware, media have only discussed Ron having 3 children.
Haleigh and Jr. – Mother Crystal Sheffield, Crystal and Ron were both teenagers when Haleigh was born.
Jordan – Mother Amber Brooks, addict. Jordan is living with Amber’s grandmother, Mary Brooks, this is the girl that lived with Ron after Crystal, and the one Misty wrote on her MS page. There is some confusion regarding paternity as we’ve been told Amber refused a paeternity test. I believe she was 19 when Jordan was born.
So who is the other daughter?
Whoa!! Where is the 2nd daughter business coming in at? Never heard that one before, would like more info on that! Please!!
wendyz2427 said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Hi everyone….I was just curious as to everyones opinons about the profiler on NG tonight. Her point she made about RC acting as if he already knew Haleigh was dead makes sense. So far LE is saying that Tommy, Misty and Joe are not suspects…dosent leave many options…Im kind of all over the place with this case, but was just curious on other’s opinions.
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Her and Levi are both morons.
I believe Granny Flora lied about the calls. She was after the reward money. I think she’d throw them all under the bus if it would make a buck.
I don’t think it was a good idea for Chelsey to go on NG but I’m glad she did. I hope they ALL start flapping their gums because it will be the downfall of all the people that KNEW what happened and kept their traps shut. I hope they ALL get arrested for the cover-up.
I still also believe Ron is involved in some way. I know that isn’t a popular belief with many but something about him and his actions just doesn’t add up. The headless rat thing to me speaks volumes…he wanted Tommy and possibly Lindsey to keep their mouths shut. Also, his reaction, or lack thereof to hearing Haleigh is most likely dead was STRANGE. If I was him I would have come out of there balling my eyes out, throwing punches, ready to kill someone. He walked out looking kinda cocky, kinda freaked out and a little worried. It was just strange to say the least.
I do have faith that LE will get to the bottom of this. I’m glad they put these losers behind bars because getting them off drugs cleared their heads, made them face what they had done and got them to crack. As long as they were free to roam they would stay messed up on drugs and numb to feeling any guilt, remorse, etc., and they would NEVER have talked.
I still don’t know if JO is being set up or if he was involved. I don’t believe for a minute that Misty feared him. They seemed quite cozy while hanging Haleigh posters and then she went to see him. Did she go to see him to discuss that night and to make sure he kept his mouth shut? WHY did she go stay with him? Especially if she feared him.
And why did Lindsey get rid of Tommy’s boots? And why mention that on the jail tape? Seems strange. I’ve heard she threatened to divorce him to get him to talk but I still have my suspicions she has known all along what went on that night and she lied and said he was beside her in bed all night. We KNOW that isn’t true.
And then there is Timmy. Him sending his tax check to help out? Just out of the kindness of his heart when he has a family to take care of? I don’t think so. I think he was doing a little CYA. How did they afford to move to MA? Moving is expensive! And they travel back and forth to Florida constantly! Where are they getting all the money for this. Welfare can’t pay THAT well. Drug money? I think Chelsey knows that Timmy was involved. That is why Timmy NEVER says anything and she is in constant protect and cover mode. Always pointing the finger in any direction other than back her’s and Timmy’s way. But she just keeps talking and I think it will bite her in the butt. She will slip. All these people want their 15 minutes of fame and it will be their undoing (which is fine with me).
Hank and Lisa…now there’s a couple of fruit loops. I’m not sure they knew what happened that night. I think they’ve had their suspicions. It has appeared in the jail tapes that Hank has really been trying to get them to tell what they know. I wonder how he is handling these latest developments and the fact that two of his kids were involved?
And as much as I want answers and justice TODAY, I want LE to make sure their case is rock solid so I will wait (impatiently of course) for them to do their job. I support them and my heart goes out to them because I know they are tired, irritated, frustrated, underpaid and overworked. This case has taken a toll on us. Think how they must be feeling dealing with these crackheads and the constant lies and circus sideshows with this family. God Bless Them All for working so tirelessly to bring justice to our little angel.
In all fairness, Crystal is not that younger than Ron. Aren’t they like 14 mos apart?
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Her and Levi are both morons.
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Yes, both self professed experts.
Brown a self professed “profiler”, and Page a self professed “investigative journalist”.
I’d like to profess myself as the next Queen of England….and so be it.
What I was thinking the other day about HaLeigh’s dna was that sure, it’s around, toothbrush, pillow, Turner’s syndrome, etc. but Art Harris’ comment, “dna sample that was taken for this purpose…” can’t get there. Ronald and Crystal could hardly feed the girl, from what I can tell, and yet they had the foresight to do the dna kit? OK.
When my son was an infant and received his immunizations his DR offered a DNA kit and told us we should have his fingerprints taken “just in case”
Amber’s son is the one with the chromosome disorder and his momma is hooked on drugs and grandma is raising him and is probably on SSI.
Ron has 2 children and Amber refused the paternity test so you can draw your own conclusions as to why she didn’t show up for the test.
Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Her and Levi are both morons.
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Yes, both self professed experts.
Brown a self professed “profiler”, and Page a self professed “investigative journalist”.
I’d like to profess myself as the next Queen of England….and so be it.
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Queen Noreen has a nice ring to it. How are you doing,sweetie, sad days isn’t it? 🙁
KATE:
Art has a history of lying – no one every quotes him. seriously. He is worse than LP.
Noreen:
Haleigh and Jr. – Mother Crystal Sheffield
Jordan – Mother Amber Brooks
I am not naming the 3rd baby momma as her family has begged for privacy but if you Google you will see Grandma called 911 and said Ron was driving in her trailer park and she thought Ron might steal the child too. Feb 2009.
BIO mom is hooked on drugs real bad. She is very paranoid about RON. The child does have a chromosome disorder (not the same as Haleigh) and does collect social security disability.
BB12-Chris said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:37 pm KATE:
Art has a history of lying – no one every quotes him. seriously. He is worse than LP.
Noreen:
Haleigh and Jr. – Mother Crystal Sheffield
Jordan – Mother Amber Brooks
I am not naming the 3rd baby momma as her family has begged for privacy but if you Google you will see Grandma called 911 and said Ron was driving in her trailer park and she thought Ron might steal the child too. Feb 2009.
BIO mom is hooked on drugs real bad. She is very paranoid about RON. The child does have a chromosome disorder (not the same as Haleigh) and does collect social security disability.
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This is AMBER BROOKS and her son Jordan.
It was an article written by Art Harris. I wont provide the link, but it was written April 22, 2009.
Amber was in jail from August through November 2009. Her mother Lisa Brooks has an outstanding PC Warrant for her arrest also.
Amber did not show up for the scheduled paternity test, Ron did!
There is no 4th child.
It is not—believe me if you want —- you have the myspace person mixed up with the chromosome baby—IMO.
well that clears that up…not 4 just 3
ok … maybe not.. so its 4 not 3?
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:37 pm Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Her and Levi are both morons.
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Yes, both self professed experts.
Brown a self professed “profiler”, and Page a self professed “investigative journalist”.
I’d like to profess myself as the next Queen of England….and so be it.
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Queen Noreen has a nice ring to it. How are you doing,sweetie, sad days isn’t it?
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Thank you, all I need to do now is write a book, set up a twitter account, and start my own Blog Talk Radio show, then I’m official.
Hi Vaq., huggers – It’s heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking…..I just want Haleigh found.
One minute I believe what Sherrif Hardy says, the next I don’t. I’m like Annette Sykes at the moment, my head says one thing, my heart says NO. Proof, show me proof.
Chris that was Amber’s grandmother and it was not a trailer park but an apartment that called 911, Amber’s mother was also there. there is NO 4th child..
ok so its back to 3… i’m confused!
Queen Noreen:
I anointed you QUEEN, as I am the Authentic Board Certified Opinionater and I have a BLOG, and a twitter, and a FB, myspace….lol
BB12-Chris said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:46 pm It is not—believe me if you want —- you have the myspace person mixed up with the chromosome baby—IMO.
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Chris,
I know there have been so many rumors and stories put out on the web, so I can see how so many of us are confused at times, but honestly, there have only ever been 3 children mentioned.
Haleigh and Jr. – Crystal Sheffield
Jordan – Amber Brooks
The myspace person is Amber, the chromosone baby is Jordan, Amber’s son.
Here is an excerpt from the article.
“He was driving through my parking lot tonight,” explained the grandmother of Amber Brooks, an ex- Cummings girlfriend who gave birth to his disabled son, Jordan.
“I have custody of his son he claimed he didn’t have (on national TV when Cummings mentioned he only had two children); he’s one year old and I’m very leary about that,” Mary Brooks went on. “(Ronald) and his new wife (Misty)…drove through here, and about an hour later, some guy come knocking on my door, and I didn’t answer it.”
ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, “THE BALD TRUTH”: Jane, as you reported, I`ve got this 911 tape on my Web site where Mary Brooks, the grandmother of Amber Brooks, who just got bailed out of jail for cocaine possession, was keeping her son, who is Ronald`s child.
His name is Jordan. He`s got micro-encephaly which is a brain abnormality. And this is a child that Ronald apparently has been very ambivalent about. Had him for a couple of weeks, right after they were, I guess they were together and then they split.
Then Amber began raising him, turned him over to her grandmother, Mary Brooks, who I talked to today. Mary is in love with this child; has been taking care of him.
At one point, Ronald shows up, she tells me, three, four months — three or four months old and said, “I`d like my son.” She tells me she gave him the boy. And she was surprised that he brought him back the next day with all his clothes. She`s been keeping him ever since and wants to have him.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does Ron say about all this? We don`t want to jump to the conclusion that this is Ron`s son. I have no independent confirmation of this.
HARRIS: I`ve spoken to Amber. She`s told me about it. I have spoken to Mary. And this is, quote, “common knowledge.”
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does Ron say?
HARRIS: I`ve tried to get to Ron`s lawyers, to his mother. And there`s no call back.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We just want to say, we would love to hear from Ron, and Ron`s attorneys, anybody. They have an open invitation to come on this show. And Misty, for that matter, and tell their side, spell it out. We want to hear from you.
The grandmother of one of Ron Cummings` ex-girlfriends, as you`ve been hearing, calls 911. Listen to this stunning exchange.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
911 OPERATOR: When Mr. Cummings came through, did he stop at all? Or did he just drive through, or…
MARY BROOKS, AMBER BROOKS` GRANDMOTHER: Well, he just cruised through and my daughter was coming through and they passed each other and se seen him and his new wife.
911 OPERATOR: And what`s your name?
BROOKS: Mary Brooks, I`m the great-grandmother.
911 OPERATOR: Ok.
BROOKS: And I have custody of the baby.
911 OPERATOR: Ok.
BROOKS: And I`m very upset about it.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my, gosh. So many questions. First of all, why would Ron want this son if he`s ambivalent about the child?
HARRIS: Well, that`s a great question, Jane. The grandmother is getting about $500 a month in SSI for raising this disabled child. At the same time, some people think that Ron could use a little image makeover and perhaps another child in his care, especially a disabled child would show a real caring father.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me just say that given that he`s lost his daughter, and we don`t know where that child is, his heart may have opened up to this child and said, “Well, you know what, I do have a child right nearby. And now I want to be close to that child.” Let`s not always ascribe negative motivations.
Again, we don`t know for sure if this is his child, that`s just the claim of his family. Nevertheless, I think what you`re reporting is fascinating.
What are the police saying about this? Because, obviously, you know, we`ve heard these allegations that you`ve reported from “Nene” (ph) claiming that Misty, who is Ron`s new wife, who was watching Haleigh disappeared, went on a three-day drug binge before little Haleigh disappeared. And we can`t get Misty`s side of the story on this although we`d like it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html
there is no 4th child in a trailer park.someone is taking one story and made 2 out of it.
vaquera said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
You guys are confused. Remember WAK JOB? Wayanne Kruger? She went their and interviewed the lady at the trailor Court on you tube video and ALL. I remember it as if it was yesterday.
Ron is NOT named on any of the birth certificates only on HaLeigh and JR.
Both Bio MOM’s are on drugs etc… There are 3 baby momma’s believe me or not. It makes no difference in the reality of this case….
Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
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I know Noreen..it’s one damn big friggin’ nightmare that won’t end but I have finally accepted she is with God now. Now I waiver between tears and wanting to put a bullet between someone’s eyes.
BB12-Chris said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:54 pm Queen Noreen:
I anointed you QUEEN, as I am the Authentic Board Certified Opinionater and I have a BLOG, and a twitter, and a FB, myspace….lol
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LOL…thank you Oh Authentic Board Certified Opinionater, owner of BLOG, TWITTER, FB and MS.
May I call you ABCO?
I’ll arrange for an MBE for you, consider it done.
hokie crap! so there is 4? can ya post the link to the youtube vid of wayanne making the visit?
OJ’s Glove
The transcripts say it was Timmy’s wife. There are to many stories going on but eventually it will lead to the truth. It is up to a court of law and those qualified with all the facts before them then to decide who is responsible for what and what is best to take place in terms of punishment. The whole story has to come to light the history of the people their relationships. Misty needs to not be attacked when she speaks. LE dissed her to Art Harris over the letter. Now their digging through muck on the bottom of a river over the same story. They did not carry out a lie detector on Tommy when he had his big break through last time he was in jail. If they had applied the same pressure on him back then this case would of blown open back then. Along comes this man and he does a lie detector and here is the case where it should of been months ago. With out evidence they will not get Joe not even close to a chance at it. As for Tommy that would be a fat chance and if they keep favoring him then absolutely no way. The only one they will get a conviction on is Misty. If her story is one of years of abuse, put downs, abuse at the hand of both or either of these men, then all she can do is take with her the fact that Haleigh has likely long time since forgiven. God will have the final say in his court for the rest involved. As for the persons in public and LE that have driven the case in world wide bias reporting to focus only on Misty and rob Haleigh of all the Justice she deserves they too will answer in that same final court.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
You are wrong and I just posted the transcript of Mary Brooks and she is the one that called 911 and she is the one that is raising a baby with a brain disorder. Wayanne talked to Amber and wrote the article about Amber. There is no 4th child, believe me.
ABCO,
I knew you were going to say WAK told you this, I just knew it.
Honestly, there are only 3.
I think you owe me taxes for your many communication tools.
ok, if wayanne talked to Amber than its only 3..gee finally !
vaquera said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
You are wrong and I just posted the transcript of Mary Brooks and she is the one that called 911 and she is the one that is raising a baby with a brain disorder. Wayanne talked to Amber and wrote the article about Amber. There is no 4th child, believe me.
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Queen Noreen Grants YOU the WINNER.
I give UP.
Authentic Board Certified Opinionater
With an MBE- certified by Queen Noreen.
I’ve been on this earth several decades. Thought I’d heard it all! This case and the players have blown my mind. About the time I think I’ve figured out what happened they change the game. How can anyone believe any of these people? No wonder LE has had such a hard time solving what happened to this child. The Croslin clan are the most deceptive people I’ve ever read about. They just seem to keep coming out from under their rocks even from Tennessee. I don’t know that Ron was involved but he should’ve been aware of the people he was dealing with, or he is just like them. God bless this child she’s at peace and they will never be at peace IF they have a conscience.
vaquera said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Chris that was Amber’s grandmother and it was not a trailer park but an apartment that called 911, Amber’s mother was also there. there is NO 4th child..
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This is exactly correct.
There is NO fourth child.
Ronald has two verified children.
Ronald Junior (Junior) and HaLeigh.
People assume that Jordan (AMBER BROOK’s – the “druggy” mother)’s baby is Ronald’s.
If we go by that assumption, that is the baby that was born with condition where the soft spot on his head did not close properly. (There is a name for this and I do not recall it at the moment). The baby lives with Amber’s grandmother and she is the one that called 911.
I am unsure why in the world more rumors are being started here? There is NO 4th child.
Amber did give an “interview” to Wayanne Kruger.
And yes, this has no bearing on this case or to anything as Amber never allowed a DNA test.
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:59 pm Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
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I know Noreen..it’s one damn big friggin’ nightmare that won’t end but I have finally accepted she is with God now. Now I waiver between tears and wanting to put a bullet between someone’s eyes.
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It’s awful, all so senseless. If what we’re hearing is true, then why, why, why didn’t she call 911 immediately?
I’ll be right beside you when you’re ready to put that bullet between someone’s eyes, I’ll fire first.
An emitional roller-coaster, I can’t even imagine how the family are coping with this. My heart breaks for them all.
I say we stop ALL from profiting from a missing child!
Did everyone see the video Det Bowling was in at the conclusion of the search yesterday? He said nothing had been found in the River, nothing.
Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:59 pm Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
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I know Noreen..it’s one damn big friggin’ nightmare that won’t end but I have finally accepted she is with God now. Now I waiver between tears and wanting to put a bullet between someone’s eyes.
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It’s awful, all so senseless. If what we’re hearing is true, then why, why, why didn’t she call 911 immediately?
I’ll be right beside you when you’re ready to put that bullet between someone’s eyes, I’ll fire first.
An emitional roller-coaster, I can’t even imagine how the family are coping with this. My heart breaks for them all.
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I know, I just said that to someone else. Why didn’t she call Ron, 911 or someone if she knew they were coming to steal Ron’s gun. I say it’s bullshit myself. Why didn’t she use Ron’s gun to kill them. I wouldn’t think twice about not killing either one of those people.I think the letter and both Tommy and Misty’s stories are mostly a bunch of lies. Tommy killed Haleigh, in my opinion not Joe.
Did everyone see the jacksonville video interview Det. Gary Bowling gave yesterday at the conclusion of the river search?
He said nothing had been found in the river, nothing.
Noreen , can you post a link. I have not seen that. P.s. can someone clue me in how to post a clickable link in this forum.
BB12-Chris said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
vaquera said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
You are wrong and I just posted the transcript of Mary Brooks and she is the one that called 911 and she is the one that is raising a baby with a brain disorder. Wayanne talked to Amber and wrote the article about Amber. There is no 4th child, believe me.
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Queen Noreen Grants YOU the WINNER.
I give UP.
Authentic Board Certified Opinionater
With an MBE- certified by Queen Noreen.
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I didn’t win anything but I do correct wrong info and have since this case started. 😉
J said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
vaquera said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Chris that was Amber’s grandmother and it was not a trailer park but an apartment that called 911, Amber’s mother was also there. there is NO 4th child..
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This is exactly correct.
There is NO fourth child.
Ronald has two verified children.
Ronald Junior (Junior) and HaLeigh.
People assume that Jordan (AMBER BROOK’s – the “druggy” mother)’s baby is Ronald’s.
If we go by that assumption, that is the baby that was born with condition where the soft spot on his head did not close properly. (There is a name for this and I do not recall it at the moment). The baby lives with Amber’s grandmother and she is the one that called 911.
I am unsure why in the world more rumors are being started here? There is NO 4th child.
Amber did give an “interview” to Wayanne Kruger.
And yes, this has no bearing on this case or to anything as Amber never allowed a DNA test.
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Thanks, J 🙂
It is sad to see every damn reporter from here to tinbuckto there in the last few days…WHERE THE HECK WHERE YOU ALL THESE MONTHS. They where all there like vultures ready to scavage the gossip to spin a story that has been manufactured and circulated for 14 months without their help and all of a sudden it is brand new and fact. If I remember correctly this theory has led us around the BS bush for 14 months and still is.
Lets face it 14 months and no HaLeigh, they do not anticipate to find her body.
ackkkkkkkk Sorry for the multiple posts all.
Serious lagging here.
Here’s the link…..just add http:// to the front of it.
jacksonville.com/video/news/metro/2010-04-15/watch-river-search-ends-haleigh-cummings
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 11:16 pm Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 10:59 pm Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
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I know Noreen..it’s one damn big friggin’ nightmare that won’t end but I have finally accepted she is with God now. Now I waiver between tears and wanting to put a bullet between someone’s eyes.
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It’s awful, all so senseless. If what we’re hearing is true, then why, why, why didn’t she call 911 immediately?
I’ll be right beside you when you’re ready to put that bullet between someone’s eyes, I’ll fire first.
An emitional roller-coaster, I can’t even imagine how the family are coping with this. My heart breaks for them all.
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I know, I just said that to someone else. Why didn’t she call Ron, 911 or someone if she knew they were coming to steal Ron’s gun. I say it’s bullshit myself. Why didn’t she use Ron’s gun to kill them. I wouldn’t think twice about not killing either one of those people.I think the letter and both Tommy and Misty’s stories are mostly a bunch of lies. Tommy killed Haleigh, in my opinion not Joe.
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I tend to agree with you, however, I do question the damage to the van that was at Timmy and Chelsea’s. I wonder if Timmy knew?
I think Ron wanted out of protective custody because he was bored in there, and possibly because drugs are more likely to be available in general population. JMO.
Night all, take care.
Queen Noreen has ordered me to apologies to Vaquera.
I AM WRONG. Vaquera was RIGHT
RON has 3 kids by 2 baby mommma’s.
Now will you put the tazer gun down??
BB12-Chris was wrong 🙁
I just do not understand Tommys attorney working with CS’s PI in regards to results of a polygraph and then LE is called in after the fact WTH?
An attorney is hired to defend and prepare a defence… not a hanging, and not even do it for LE but a PI from CS. Does this make any sense?
LET ME CORRECT MYSELF PLEASE
RON has 2 kids by 1 baby mommma = Crystal S.
FACT- Ron’s name is ONLY on HaLeigh and Jr Birth Certificates and NO others. No other paternity test have concluded Ron is anyone’s else’s father. Any other speculation that Ron is the father of Amber’s baby or any other baby mother is just unfounded gossip at this point.
I stand corrected.
Thank you for keeping me on my toes…
I am human. I make mistakes.
Why is Tommy not being charged if he faied his LTD and confessed to his attorney,PI-SB, FDLE and countless detectives and allegedly took them to the crime sceane at Shell Harbor boat dock and showed them where to look for a rope and 2 cinderblocks and HaLeigh?
Pretty specific items to be looking for and identifiable if still in that area of the river after 14 months. No chance of HaLeigh being in that water still or IMO ever will be proven to of been there.
to add a clickable link in this forum do i need to add tags to the link i paste ?
like <href=
Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 11:16 pm Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello to two of my favorite people!!!!
I agree I suspect Tommy much more then Joe and also question Timmy. Why have we never seen him? Why did he not come to the vigils?? Why does his wife always talk for him? Tonight she said she didn’t know Joe but yet she let his stay with her in Fl. WTH
I just copy and paste and send. No problems.
hey Texmom39, who says he was brought there to show where Haleigh was dumped? maybe it was just to show them an area they used to go to and MIGHT be a just place of interest.
Texasmommy39 said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Why is Tommy not being charged if he faied his LTD and confessed to his attorney,PI-SB, FDLE and countless detectives and allegedly took them to the crime scean…..
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Florida has the Right to a Speedy Trial.
Evidence needs to be back from the lab
Plea Bargain Struck – Deal?
Jumping the GUN is unprofessional. Charging one with a crime requires evidence that can with stand more than a grand jury indictment.
NO BODY makes the crime much harder to prove.
When one is confessing to a crime and implicating another with him….independent corroborating evidence is needed.
MEL22
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THE LETTER #2
JAMES S. WERTER, LLC
ATTORNEY AT LAW
HALEIGH CUMMINGS MISSING CHILD CASE
APRIL 16, 2010
On March 26, 2010, I informed Nancy Grace that Hank T. Croslin, Jr. (Tommy), wanted and will take a polygraph exam to clear the air as to the events of the evening of February 9-10, 2009, when Haleigh disappeared.
On Thursday, April 8, 2010, Tommy did take a polygraph given by technician, Ron Grenier. On Saturday, April10, 2010, this attorney met with his client to discuss the results of the polygraph.
On Sunday night, April 11, 2010, this attorney received a telephone call from Lindsey Croslin (Wife) that Tommy requested that we meet with Steven K. Brown, the private investigator involved for the past 10-11 months.
On Monday morning, 9:30 AM, April 12, 2010, Steven K. Brown, this attorney and Tommy met at the St. Johns County Jail to discuss the polygraph and February 9, 2009.
Based on discussions that morning, this attorney made contact with FDLE, the State Attorney’s Office and Scott Bolin, Special Agent, FBI, and arranged an interview with Tommy at the State Attorney’s Office, Homicide Investigations Unit, St. Augustine, Florida, at approximately 5:00 PM.
As a result of the 2 plus hours interview with Jason Jolicoeiur, Special Agent, FDLE, Detective Peggy Cone, Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Office, under the guidance of this attorney and Steven K. Brown, Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida.
The commencement of the river search for Haleigh was at 10:00 AM, Tuesday, April 13, 2010.
enuf with the ron’s kids thang…who cares?
This is about LE’s bungling of the investigation, they have PRESSURED misty and tommy into making false accusations against who LE wants them too..remember tommy saying to his wife “they want me to LIE about joe!”..
whereever the cards land misty did not have a hand in it..no pun intended.
Mel22 said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
hey Texmom39, who says he was brought there to show where Haleigh was dumped? maybe it was just to show them an area they used to go to and MIGHT be a just place of interest.
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ANSWER:
…. Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida……The commencement of the river search for ***Haleigh*** was at 10:00 AM, Tuesday, April 13, 2010.
mel: I guess because bb12 quoted something that makes it true…NOT!
OJ’s glove said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
mel: I guess because bb12 quoted something that makes it true…NOT!
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I posted the Lawyers letters in its entirety above FIRST then I snipped the quotes to prove the point.
I am just trying to help.
THE LETTER #2
JAMES S. WERTER, LLC
ATTORNEY AT LAW
HALEIGH CUMMINGS MISSING CHILD CASE
APRIL 16, 2010
On March 26, 2010, I informed Nancy Grace that Hank T. Croslin, Jr. (Tommy), wanted and will take a polygraph exam to clear the air as to the events of the evening of February 9-10, 2009, when Haleigh disappeared.
On Thursday, April 8, 2010, Tommy did take a polygraph given by technician, Ron Grenier. On Saturday, April10, 2010, this attorney met with his client to discuss the results of the polygraph.
On Sunday night, April 11, 2010, this attorney received a telephone call from Lindsey Croslin (Wife) that Tommy requested that we meet with Steven K. Brown, the private investigator involved for the past 10-11 months.
On Monday morning, 9:30 AM, April 12, 2010, Steven K. Brown, this attorney and Tommy met at the St. Johns County Jail to discuss the polygraph and February 9, 2009.
Based on discussions that morning, this attorney made contact with FDLE, the State Attorney’s Office and Scott Bolin, Special Agent, FBI, and arranged an interview with Tommy at the State Attorney’s Office, Homicide Investigations Unit, St. Augustine, Florida, at approximately 5:00 PM.
As a result of the 2 plus hours interview with Jason Jolicoeiur, Special Agent, FDLE, Detective Peggy Cone, Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Office, under the guidance of this attorney and Steven K. Brown, Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida.
The commencement of the river search for Haleigh was at 10:00 AM, Tuesday, April 13, 2010.
The real monster’s abducted and or killed Haleigh and enjoy their freedom now and some of them a little extra cash while LE sacrifices their self(heart and soul) every day to dig for the needle in the hay stack to get justice for HaLeigh.JMO
BB-12 what i was saying was that(maybe) Tommy didn’t necesarilly say this (IS) the place Haleigh was buried by JO.. Maybe the info he had ,was that he knew this was a spot that might LIKELY be a place JO would bring her since he used to fish there. Is there any proof that he has actually confessed and said “this is DEFINITELY where they buried her. I don’t think the sherriff has actually said anything more than a TIP, not a confession of certain guilt led then there.
Mel22 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 12:06 am
BB-12 what i was saying was that(maybe) Tommy didn’t necesarilly say this (IS) the place Haleigh was buried by JO.. Maybe the info he had ,was that he knew this was a spot that might LIKELY be a place JO would bring her since he used to fish there. Is there any proof that he has actually confessed and said “this is DEFINITELY where they buried her. I don’t think the sherriff has actually said anything more than a TIP, not a confession of certain guilt led then there.
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ALL I know is what you know…….
FACT: Tommy met for 2 plus hours in an interview with Jason Jolicoeiur, Special Agent, FDLE, Detective Peggy Cone, Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Office, under the guidance of Tommy’s Attorney James Werter, and Steven K. Brown (PI), Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida on Monday, April 12, 2010.
FACT: Attorney James Werter, who has since resigned from representing Tommy in the HaLeigh Case but still represents Tommy in his criminal drug cases.
A different source says: Authorities did recover 2 cinder blocks and rope.
FACT: Steven K. Brown, the private investigator (retired FBI), his stance is that Joe killed HaLeigh (raped). He met with Tommy on Monday.
FACT: . Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida……The commencement of the river search for ***Haleigh*** was at 10:00 AM, Tuesday, April 13, 2010.
Note: The fact that Misty and Tommy placed their own person at a crime scene, they will be arrested for murder unless a plea deal was struck. Even if they blame Crazy Cousin Joe. Rumor has it Tommy was given immunity.
Mel22 said,in April 17th, 2010 at 12:06 am BB-12 what i was saying was that(maybe) Tommy didn’t necessarily say this (IS) the place Haleigh was buried by JO.. Maybe the info he had ,was that he knew this was a spot that might LIKELY be a place JO would bring her since he used to fish there. Is there any proof that he has actually confessed and said “this is DEFINITELY where they buried her. I don’t think the sheriff has actually said anything more than a TIP, not a confession of certain guilt led then there.
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Good ol’ common sense. LUV IT!!!
Texasmommy39 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 12:04 am
The real monster’s abducted and or killed Haleigh and enjoy their freedom now and some of them a little extra cash while LE sacrifices their self(heart and soul) every day to dig for the needle in the hay stack to get justice for HaLeigh.JMO
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Prayers WORK
Compassion is needed
We need to learn a very valuable lesson from this and ONE is to teach ourselves and our kids to have Moral Courage. Live your life by example and VOLUNTEER. It takes a village to raise a child.
Sociopath exist all around us…….
Blessings
Texasmommy39 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 12:11 am
Mel22 said,in April 17th, 2010 at 12:06 am BB-12 what i was saying was that(maybe) Tommy didn’t necessarily say this (IS) the place Haleigh was buried by JO.. Maybe the info he had ,was that he knew this was a spot that might LIKELY be a place JO would bring her since he used to fish there. Is there any proof that he has actually confessed and said “this is DEFINITELY where they buried her. I don’t think the sheriff has actually said anything more than a TIP, not a confession of certain guilt led then there.
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Good ol’ common sense. LUV IT!!!
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NO proof that Tommy said HaLeigh was placed in the LAKE/River. NONE. Since no one has been charged the police will not release that information. Prosecution will when someone is charged. UNTIL then all we have is common sense and 2 cinder blocks and some rope.
Good POINT TEx n Mel
Rumor has taken this case to the damn gutters and that is where everyone has chosen to stay and play in the dirt of the story.
It is time to see and come to terms that this BS story and the past 14 months doesn’t add up and demand that these families tell the truth or we demand they all be locked up! That would set an example!
Texasmommy39 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Rumor has taken this case to the damn gutters and that is where everyone has chosen to stay and play in the dirt of the story.
It is time to see and come to terms that this BS story and the past 14 months doesn’t add up and demand that these families tell the truth or we demand they all be locked up! That would set an example!
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AMEN
clap clap clap
I AGREE 100% with YOU!
I don’t beleive anyone would be given FULL immunity on a cover-up that they (may) have been at… Possibly a reduced sentence on a plea deal even though the sherriff says no plea was struck that he was aware of. We still don’t know if Tommy sticks with the story that he was at the trailer then left and knows JO was still there at the trailer b4 he (speculation) took off with Haleigh.. if this is true and Tommy and Misty didn’t see where exactly he took her, then TC and MC being at these docks only proves they MIGHT have a clue (TIP)of a POSSIBLE location to start a new search.. that’s all ,IMO…. This might be all the new search was based on and his attorney states he made no confession to the grandma either so this might still be onlt a credible lead… if you call these two ‘credible’
BB12 cris thanks for your thoughts. I am sure that those things work, but, actions IMO work faster when a child is missing.
Volunteering is wonderful, I enjoy it and encourage my own children to do the same.
TEXmom39, don’t know why but whenever i try posting links they don’t turn clickable..they just stay stagnant balck text I wonder if its my browser not working with the comment field. I don’t have problems except at BNN , though…strange
Mel22: Please be quiet, thank you.
I dont think Tommy would be offered full immunity either BUT it is beyond reason why his attorney sent out that text/letter stating he no longer represented Tommy in the HaLeigh Case from now on just “current criminal charges”
Makes NO sense………
People in Florida should be outraged BIG ARZSS TIME for the 14 months. This is pathetic and WHY the boat launch was not searched….Pallzzzzz
People need to be held accountable for the 14 months. HaLeigh HAS RIGHTS
Why, its a PUBLIC forum isn’t it. or is my capitalization making you think i’m yelling those words. They are only for emphasis. would it be better to put in parentheses like this. It’s a (public) forum. Is that better?
BB12-Chris said,in April 16th, 2010 at 11:49 pm Texasmommy39 said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Why is Tommy not being charged if he faied his LTD and confessed to his attorney,PI-SB, FDLE and countless detectives and allegedly took them to the crime scean…..
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Florida has the Right to a Speedy Trial.
Evidence needs to be back from the lab
Plea Bargain Struck – Deal?
Jumping the GUN is unprofessional. Charging one with a crime requires evidence that can with stand more than a grand jury indictment.
NO BODY makes the crime much harder to prove.
When one is confessing to a crime and implicating another with him….independent corroborating evidence is needed.
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Point needing to be clarified
NO BODY MAKES THE CRIME MUCH HARDER TO PROVE!
I agree
The problem is this is the death phase of a missing childs case. The high price of this case being high profile is they cant put it on a shelf cold. JMO
Mel22 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Why, its a PUBLIC forum isn’t it. or is my capitalization making you think i’m yelling those words. They are only for emphasis. would it be better to put in parentheses like this. It’s a (public) forum. Is that better?
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IMO: Never respond to someone who says things that are nonconstructive or hurtful or offensive. Some people require attention via negative antics.IMO
OJ knows what I am talking about. LOL
BB12-Chris said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Queen Noreen has ordered me to apologies to Vaquera.
I AM WRONG. Vaquera was RIGHT
RON has 3 kids by 2 baby mommma’s.
Now will you put the tazer gun down??
BB12-Chris was wrong 🙁
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You’re funny and no need to apologize. 😀
Cant you feel the estrogen through your monitors?LMAO It will be OK, we will all get past all these personal feelings once HaLeigh is finally found. It has been a rough week so far. Soon enough we will have a few to focus our anger and insults upon that truly do deserve it.
BB-12, I hear ya. STRANGE ..oh wait (strange) that he dropped him on the haleigh case but only represents him on the current charges. By the way I only thought full sentences of all caps was yelling but I only capitalize words for emphasis so if its bothering you too let me know. I personally like to know which words are emphasized it helps me read into the (point) one is trying to make. That’s all.
Texasmommy39 said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
I just do not understand Tommys attorney working with CS’s PI in regards to results of a polygraph and then LE is called in after the fact WTH?
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Werter said in his press release that Brown worked for him..
Rumor has it Crystal never even heard of this man..
Brown didn’t crack this case
Well that’s a releif…….WTH? Why would SB say Crystal was his client?
treece said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
vaquera said,in April 16th, 2010 at 11:16 pm Noreen said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello to two of my favorite people!!!!
I agree I suspect Tommy much more then Joe and also question Timmy. Why have we never seen him? Why did he not come to the vigils?? Why does his wife always talk for him? Tonight she said she didn’t know Joe but yet she let his stay with her in Fl. WTH
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Hey treece. Chelsea also said Timmy took some meds and went to bed early and 14 months ago she said they stayed up very late and worked on the insurance papers and if I remember correctly they went to bed hours before Misty called to say Haleigh was missing.
So which wife is lying or are both of them? Chelsea looked like hammered sh1t and sure has gone downhill in the last 14 months like Tommy.
Who did crack the case or is that just a rumor?
Well Tommy failed his test and Werter said he and Brown set up a meeting to talk to him on the 10th,I believe, and then they talked to LE..So I don’t see where he cracked anything
It hasn’t been cracked… cause NO ONE has been charged yet! JMO
Cent I agree… and will go farther and say that after 14 months and they are just now getting to the determination that this is a homicide mind you with no evidence and NO CONFESSION but a credible tip I have to wonder if I am needing to be sheared.
Curious why Ronald was suddenly allowed to General Population? The timing is unusual. Any ideas?
FBI polygrapher Ron Grenier solved the case- or at least BROKE TOMMY. It his this mans’ specialty. He is known for it…..
This so called PI Steven K. Brown (retired FBI) guy……no one knows him or vouches for him. Except what we know Tommy’s attorney said:
“On Sunday night, April 11, 2010, JAMES S. WERTER, Tommy’s attorney received a telephone call from Lindsey Croslin (Wife) that Tommy requested that we meet with Steven K. Brown, the private investigator involved for the past 10-11 months.”
Flo Hollars- Grandmother appears to be making canards based on GREED. Reward MONEY. Press MONEY. NO proof that Misty or Tommy called HER.
Her motives are extremely suspect IMO.
(PS CAPS to not bother me- I am a mature adult)
I don’t think anyone cracked this case… if it was cracked Monday like the guy said ,arrests or (substantial) evidence would be found. Any ‘ol brick from the bottom is not enough unless they got a specific type rope attached to it that matches rope they own at the home..or they have to really do some work to (confidentally) match it to one of the piles at the mobile home… I think Tommy’s tips to officials were the “case crackers’ if they can be called that.
maryd said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 1:01 am
Curious why Ronald was suddenly allowed to General Population? The timing is unusual. Any ideas?
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He made the request and Hardy granted it.
maryd said,in April 17th, 2010 at 1:01 am Curious why Ronald was suddenly allowed to General Population? The timing is unusual. Any ideas?
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I just hope that now he is not alone when he does find out the truth.
comment deleted. NO name calling!
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
It will be easier on him as well for the healing to begin… he has mourned her for 14 months and not really knowing if she is alive or not. Being alone can be torture and he needs a community(what ever that might be, but not just 4 walls) to get him through his time and his grief.
OJ be nice 🙂 IF we all didn”t know you>>>>JK
LE did confirm to HLN today that Mrs. Hollars did talk to Tommy Sunday but the sheriff did say the other day in the presser the tip did NOT come from TN. I don’t mind a little capitalization for effect either.
I think if you’re not (suicidal) then keeping him out of general poulation would be considered (solitary confinement) and would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. Personally, if I ever had to go to jail I would ask to be put away from everyone else in solitary since I keep to myself anyway on the outside. Who’d wanna hang with a bunch of lowlife pieces o’ Shnikey!
I understand your thoughts, but, lets be honest Ron probably knows a few buddies on the inside already. SMALL TOWN peeps, they all have ran the same streets and back roads and party at the same hang outs.
I would imagine also that he would have every inmates sympathy at this moment with the media coverage that they would have access to. I am sure Tommy is glad he is in St. Johns co. jail in isolation tonight.
Thinking if an inmate were to become suicidal would GP or solitary be better? Don’t know the prison system too well.
no doubt and I bet Misty is not bitching about not being out in general anymore. They would be beaten to a pulp..and that is a good thing 😉
Nite everyone
Yeah, Rons the type of guy to want to hang with his own kind and his fellow insiders.. its not like its Maximum Security Federal Prison where some crap goes down daily and need to watch your back continually.
They have a special place for those dumb A$$es.
This is about LE’s bungling of the investigation, they have PRESSURED misty and tommy into making false accusations against who LE wants them too..remember tommy saying to his wife “they want me to LIE about joe!”..
whereever the cards land misty did not have a hand in it..no pun intended.
In solitary or whatever you have no connection to what is going on in the “news”?
Does anyone have the link to the releasing on bond of Ronald then the Feds saying “I wouldn’t do that”?
maryd, yes if ppl are suicidal they get put on watch and put in their own cell and sometimes away from other prisoners. They also take away shoelaces or any other kind of devices that could aid in hanging themselves
NG incites a LYNCH MOB!! SHAME ON HER!!
Thanks for all your answers.
Oj I agree this stinks and it so obvious. PCSO is going to play this out and all we can do is wait and see the hand they deal. I have yet to see this case move in a logical direction to reach a logical conclusion, but, believe we do not even know 10% of what the investigation has revealed. PCSO has been close to the vest, it is the gossip mongers and ratings and money driven media that has given us the rest.
Comment has been deleted for name calling. We don’t allow that in here.
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
Nite y’all.
HERE IS MY THOUGHT
LE is making Misty-Tommy believe that LE believes the whole “JOE STORY” to get Misty-Tommy to confess to their part and put THEMSELVES at the crime scene.
Misty-Tommy think they pinned this on Joe when in fact they are putting a nail in their own coffin. After LE gets Misty-Tommy to place their bodies at the crime scene they will go after MORE…
When LE matches the rope to Tommy
Piece by piece this will break.
LE tricks are working IMO
OR LE is the worst bunch of idiots ever on the planet and that’s why the community is rampant with child molesters and drug dealers ??
No matter how you dress it I aint buying. Now add some evidence and Haleigh and I am sold.
Nite
BB-12… I’ll have to agree that all LE angencies use (tactics) like that to get people to talk. it wouldn’t surprise me that they pretended to know JO did this and put it to them that way and say its all up to them to take the rest of the charges off their backs by cooperating… BUT… we still don’t know for sure if they have placed themselves at trhe scene or not or if its just a (significant) spot that they should point out…who’s to say if rope was even found with the cinder blocks
MEL22:
You are 100% right. WE have NO evidence. ALL we have is what Sheriff Hardy said as facts.
Former FBI people and attorneys do not count.
ALL I can do is speculate, quote attorneys, post links, etc…share my opinions…..
Unlike the KC Case, where one is charged with murder, therefore, prosecution must release their evidence to the public….in the disappearance of HaLeigh, no one has been arrested therefore, LE can not share their collected evidence. ALL the public can do is grill the attorneys and the players involved and judge from there IMO.
What is up with the nasty personal attacks? I am sure Simon and Jan would be pissed off and ashamed that their comment section, is being taken to a new direction that is offensive…..IMO….??
…chirp…chirp
Texasmommy39 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 1:38 am
Nite
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SWEET DREAMZZZZ
I enjoy your posts!!
i wasn’t being offensive i said I agreed (partly)
…chirp…chirp… anyone around still.ok bye
Mel22 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 1:52 am
i wasn’t being offensive i said I agreed (partly)
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NOT YOU SILLY
READ up 2 people (probably same guy) (OJ, GATOR) whats his name called me names and personal attacks……..
oh ok… bcz i see your point that this could be a facade placed by LE to get people cooperating by ‘easing their fears somewhat’ with pretending to implicate JO by asking him questions in front of their faces rather than ‘sweating’ them with paranoia. Its POSSIBLE. You’re right, without knowing the evidence everyone one of us can only (speculate) … bye for now… checked out your blog yesterday and there were some interesting theories BTW!
Mel22
Love and respect you
and your right
Its all speculation
No facts.
my best guess- once a liar –
We have little chance that the 3, 4, 5th time will be any different.
RIP HaLeigh
Justice fro HaLeigh is NEEDED
SOOOO SORRY, BUT everyone is really frustrating me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is everyone all of a sudden jumping on the TIMMY AND CHELSEA THEORY? I’ve been commenting on their suspicious behavior, and everyone has said it was bs. And Joe, I told you so!!
—–CROSLIN FAMILY FUN FACTS——-
1.Timmy and Chelsea Croslin jumped ship and hightailed it up to Abington, Massachussetts in sept 09. HALEIGH SIGHTING SEPT 09 – ABINGTON, MASS. WALMART
???Gosh, what a coincidence, that’s where Timmy and Chelsea live!!???? Nah, couldn’t be.
NEXT FUN FACT: 2. Mr. Joe Overstreet is in town “hanging out” with his cousins…MMM, okay, like WHY??? Can I have a legitimate reason??? a bbq? a date?? shopping?? a makeover??? fun times with Ron???LOL
3. Ron goes to work.{what???yes folks, u guessed it, the only person who has a job}BUT ITS CUZ HES NOT A CROSLIN.
** However, Mr. Ronald Cummings is not aware of the fact that the entire Croslin Clan is at his MH chillin’ and watchin’ the KIDZ PLAY. Gee, so sweet. ** Fun Times.
Back to the Croslin Chapters:
4. That night, the fun-loving-super-guy Mr. Joe Overstreet is “gone” and so is the “van”, (watch CHELSEA squirm on NG when she talks about that) AND it’s the same night Haleigh disappears….
Maybe Joe had to run some errands, and just borrowed the keys??
***************HOLD ON**************
he is gonna’ be in a heap of trouble if he was sneakin’ around afta CURFEW!! Well, if that’s true, he IS definitely going to be grounded.
5. !Wow! Chelsea states she notices the van is parked different the next morning, w/ a scratch and mud on it, and Joe slept in his clothes & looked “like he had been in the dirt.” (shoot, he aint took no bath)
******Woah, back it up, rewind……
Did I hear someone mention a….VAN? Whose Van? Let’s ask PCSO, they’ll know the answer. oh, nevermind, they forgot. I bet they also forgot about the….
{u guessed it!}:
6. HERE IT COMES FOLKS: THE BLANKET!!!!!!Yes, Misty stated her blanket was in the “VAN that THEY took.”
JMO, but for some strange reason, I think it’s really strange to talk non stop about blankets when you are talking to reporters about a missing little girl, and making sure to mention that you washed a blanket, a blanket was peed on, she didn’t have a blanket, yap, yap, STOP!
** UNLESS, you are subconsciously trying to hide the truth?? Oops!!**
{any of this sounding familiar so far?}
Do I hear a yes?
any shout outs?
Now, back to our Croslin of the week:
7. Unfortunately, Cousin Joe had to leave the very next day (coincidentally, of course)after Haleigh vanished into the night..
Awww…Why?
Pick an answer.
a)He had prior committments, like a job interview, school, a board meeting,
OR
b) Maybe it’s cuz he’s GUILTY.
Well, it has to be (a.) cuz PCSO questioned Joe several times and “cleared” him as a suspect!
8. Mysteriously, shortly after Cousin Joe returned home to Tennessee, a Haleigh sighting was reported in the very same town where Joe lives, with a guy who looks just like Joe, and with the very same red truck, you know, the one that Tommy had, but then Hank Sr. wanted, but then didn’t know where it went or who Tommy gave it to, or sold it to, UGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9. Oh Gosh!! PCSO stated that the sighting was not her. Now, that’s really kooky!! What a coincidence…
Geez, the chances of a little girl matching the description of Haleigh w/ a guy matching the description of Joe w/a red truck just like Tommy’s.. WOW.
10. The Croslin Quote of the year goes to:
TOMMY CROSLIN!!!!!!!!
“I don’t do no drugz”
11. Joe and Tommy’s fave hobby is (again, this one is also a coincidence!)
choose an answer.
a)quilting
b)scrapbooking
c)watching Nancy Grace
d)Stealing Ronald’s prized guns
e)Fishin’ at the pier
The correct answer is e., but only AFTER they have completed d.
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12. Fill in the blanks.
Ronald Cummings favorite pasttime is_________.{yep, u guessed correctly, it’s Beating up Tommy and Joe.}
In the future Ronald Cummings would like to _________________.{ur correct again! the answer is “Kill Tommy and Joe”
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ronfan said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 2:57 am
6. HERE IT COMES FOLKS: THE BLANKET!!!!!!Yes, Misty stated her blanket was in the “VAN that THEY took.”
JMO, but for some strange reason, I think it’s really strange to talk non stop about blankets when you are talking to reporters about a missing little girl, and making sure to mention that you washed a blanket, a blanket was peed on, she didn’t have a blanket, yap, yap, STOP!
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Tell me more about the blanket.
HaLeigh was to sleep with it but HaLeigh peed on it so Misty washed it. Then it should be with LE for testing right? Is it?
Was the blanket retrieved from the VAN?
Is there more than one blanket?
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WTH??? I can’t sleep, and I just read some posts about my boy being out in general pop??
That’s my Ron!!
He is not afraid of anything.
He will get justice.
He looked so blank and void after the meetings. No expression at all, but a very empty look.
He looked like he was dead inside.
God Bless you Ronald. The Lord knows how wonderful and loving you are to your children. He knows you were THE BEST DADDY to Haleigh, and you gave her all the love in your heart.
You can see it in your beautiful daughter’s eyes.
It shows in every picture, and in her beautiful happy innocent smile.
RonFan;
Thank you for that…..I needed some humor.
Ron’s in it up to his eyeballs….just keep watching.
So what did you guys think about Marinade Mike’s (?) web blog & the Free Ronald petition site telling folks
“Never mind, he’s as guilty as the rest”?
Also Marinade says that someone was about to bail ol Ronnie boy out and LE steps up and says “Wait a minute…”
well I needed some entertainment myself that was good wish you had more to offer have an hour left with nothing to do….
I do believe Ron is involved, why he is general population that is really strange.
I go back and forth on Ron was undercover to Ron is guilty with the rest of them strangest case ever.
Hollys Gmom said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 3:59 am
So what did you guys think about Marinade Mike’s (?) web blog & the Free Ronald petition site telling folks
“Never mind, he’s as guilty as the rest”?
Also Marinade says that someone was about to bail ol Ronnie boy out and LE steps up and says “Wait a minute…”
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Marinade Dave
IMO I think no FBI/LE agent is influencing any one bonding anyone out. Tommy was the only one who had a realistic chance of bonding out-IMO
If you meet the judges requirements for bond that is all that is matters IMO.
Maybe the birdy is a liar? Maybe Art Harris was the birdy. lol
dpierce said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 4:02 am
well I needed some entertainment myself that was good wish you had more to offer have an hour left with nothing to do….
I do believe Ron is involved, why he is general population that is really strange.
I go back and forth on Ron was undercover to Ron is guilty with the rest of them strangest case ever.
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General POP can get high, do drugs, move around, make connections, be a home boy…..maybe it is his second home?
general population you can also “hear” what is going on with MC, TC and can’t forget Joe well through Grandma in, oh and Chelsea Croslin was on the tube tonight….
One messed up family, and I really do want LE to tell what happened to poor Haleigh but I also dread knowing what really did happen it is going to be so beyone understanding or belief. JMO
Ut oh….Remember that thing that I said would come up if Misty was guilty….
Cat’s out of the bag….Watch out on twitter…
Tobias,
There are going to be alot of people suddenly willing to talk about it…they’re already asking all the right questions.
Hollys Gmom said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 6:20 am
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details details
bb12-Chris…check your twitter…I’ll direct message you about it…
Goodmorning Everyone, WOW! Holly I had not heard about your reference in 3:59am post. Does anyone know where I can find that info?
Vaquera, I am glad to know my memory had not escaped me on Chelseas story last night on NG. You are right Chelsea said they ( she and Timmy) were up late working on the insurance papres. Now it is he was in bed two to three hours before her. I would call this an inconsistency. I started suspecting Timmy may be involved after the drug sting went down and the those involved went to jail. Chelsea started talking and putting out this story about Misty waking up to find Joe standing over her and she was scares. Then it was Misty saw Joe standing in the door way with Haleigh. In Mistys voice layered analysis part #2 she is asked about her family life growing up. She is totaly defensive of Timmy and even goes on to say that Timmy is Rons favorite out of her family.Misty has been throwing Tommy and Joe every chance she has gotten and then did a 380 and pointed to the other side of the family(Sheffields). I stated then that Timmy could have been involved. The only two people Misty has not hung out to dry and only will go to the ends to protect up until now possibly is Timmy and Ronald. I will again say that I am not sure Ron had knowledge of what happened to his daughter, but I am very suspicious of his involvement. Just because Ron was at work does not mean he did not have knowledge. That phone call between He and Misty between 8pm – 8:30pm may have been Misty telling Ron that Haleigh had overdosed and then her phone was turned off according to reports that we hear. It was confirmed by Putnam Authorities that Ronald did call Tommy at 9pm. All of this could of happened on Feb 9th. Everthing had to be cleaned up and Haleigh had to be disposed of. The abduction scene staged. I am sure they all wanted the media and bloggers to back off so that noone found out what happened to this beautiful little Angel. I want every single person with knowledge of this horrific tragedy to be punished!!!!!!!!!!
LE thank you for your diligence to continue to bring JUSTICE for Haleigh Anne- Marie Cummings. I have always said I have to believe in you. I continue to pray you get all the evidence you need to put these scumbags away!!
Simon, Jan and TJ Hart I want to thank you all from the bottom of my broken heart for all you do to bring us every detail you all can for this case. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. GOD BLESS ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO LOVE HALEIGH AND MAY HE COMFORT YOU NOW IN THESE TRYING TIMES AHEAD.
looking for Justice said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 7:07 am
Goodmorning Everyone, WOW! Holly I had not heard about your reference in 3:59am post. Does anyone know where I can find that info?
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FREE RONALD CUMMINGS!
… that was mysteriously changed late in the day from
FREE RONALD CUMMINGS LET HIM GO HOME TO HIS FAMILY !!!!!!!!!
to
NEVER MIND HE IS JUST AS GUILTY
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/free-ronald-cummings
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/sittin-on-a-fence-post/comment-page-1/#comment-122905
Misty witnessed this horrendous act on a defenseless little girl and was alledgedly threatend at knife point! Where was her concern and fear on that 911 call to report Haleigh missing? She had no problem expressing her fear in her drug deal when she was pulled out of a car and threatened with a gun. She expressed fear and concern then!!!
Does anyone notice that noone in the Croslin family jumps to say they do not think Misty was involved,but not Tommy? Only Hank Sr. has said he don’t think Tommy could do this. Grandma Holler and Chelsea are in total defense of Misty only.
looking & Tobias;
You on twitter?
HollysGmom, What is your name on Twitter, again? The INNsider? TIA!
Holly no I am not on Twitter. I e-mailed you.
BB12-Chris, looked at your website while you were posting above. Makes perfect sense, very impressed!!!
Makes me think about Hank Sr. saying that he would personally kill anyone who killed Haleigh, even if it was his own son. But probably not his own daughter! When he doesn’t know what to say in their phone conversations he starts in on how pretty she is. No puzzle as to how she got to be a sociopath. But she can’t pass an LD, most sociopaths can. I guess she’s practicing ;.
Had forgotten about hearing that Misty has quite a temper, and found it very believable.
So why did Misty want her boyfriend in prison. So many stories with that girl…
Misty dropped out of school in the 6th grade. pretty typical for her family…..
Only sophisticated sociopaths can pass polygraphs.
The Sociopath Next Door
By Martha Ph.D Stout
BB12-Chris, OK so you are saying Ronald thought Haleigh his daughter died from taking pills he had in his home and he knew she was deceased and went with the abduction theory? I just want to make sure i am clear on this.
I still believe they were medicating the children to make them sleep. They could not call authorities to report because they would of found out what was in Haleighs system and how much and how long it was going on. JMO
Tommy gets called @ 9pm from Ronald. Lyndsey has been said to be at school. Timmy and Chelsea had the van that belonged to Tommy and lyndsey. Not sure of what time Lyndsey got home from school. Who was watching Tommys children for him to leave the house? Lisa and Hank Sr. were in Gainsville, Fl at Shands hospital. Who drove the van Joe or Timmy and Joe? Questions, Questions,Questions!!
looking for Justice said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 8:35 am
BB12-Chris, OK so you are saying Ronald thought Haleigh his daughter died from taking pills he had in his home and he knew she was deceased and went with the abduction theory? I just want to make sure i am clear on this.
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I am thinking out loud
What if Misty is a pathological liar like Casey Anthony. Misty kills HaLeigh in a rage. Jealous about the attention HaLeigh gets or how Misty is stuck babysitting and not living the life of partying.
Misty kills HaLeigh in a rage.
HaLeigh peed the bed, so, says Misty)
Then tells Ron, she woke up and HaLeigh was gone, Ron makes her call 911, stories are forming as Misty goes along. Disappearing Act.
Later, when Ron figures it out, (Misty killed HaLeigh) Misty tells RON, it is YOUR fault not mine, you left your pills out and she died because of you, you will go to jail.
Ron believes this and keeps quiet. Later Ron learns about Tommy, and leaves him the headless rat in the mail box. ALL need to keep quiet because of drugs and culpability.
JOE is an innocent pasty. Misty never even mentions his name until day 9. Ron never said a word about JOE.
Just a thought
looking for Justice said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 8:46 am
I still believe they were medicating the children to make them sleep. They could not call authorities to report because they would of found out what was in Haleighs system and how much and how long it was going on. JMO
Tommy gets called @ 9pm from Ronald.
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With Respect I ask: How do you know a child is dead if you drug them at night and then put them in bed? You dont find the body until morning?? Surely you are not checking for signs of life at 9pm?
BB12, In the very beginning on NG a caller called in to ask a question about the cousin that was supposedly there at the mh that night. The cameras were on Ron he became agitated and said the cousin was not there that night. I thought then he could have not known this for sure. Why make that statement? Just because Misty told Ron that the cousin was not there that is heresay. Why did he say anything? If anything at all, why did he not say I do not know if he came by that night? I for one am hoping to God he really could not be involved, but if he is or had knowledge of what happened to Haleigh then fry him to. He said on NG he is not covering for anyone and whoever did this letem fry.
BB12 if you given an overdose whether it be a child or an adult you would know it ! Vomiting, convulsions, urinating and expelling their bowels etc…..
Ok, I have questioned Ronalds behavior from day one…but, I can’t see him being at work and learning his daughter died via a phone call and calmly giving direction on disposing of her. He would have to be a cold blooded monster. Then just waiting there all night for his alibi. Could he be that cold and calculating?
There has got to be another scenario in my mind to this. Something to explain his support and compliance with Misty. To the point of helping her with her story.
Did he believe that Tommy and joe may have done something to/with Haleigh? Did she tell him they were there that night? Was he so manipulated by Misty that he believed she was just an innocent victim to them? Was he waiting for more evidence to react? Was the dead rat a warning of whats to come?
looking for Justice said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am
BB12 if you given an overdose whether it be a child or an adult you would know it ! Vomiting, convulsions, urinating and expelling their bowels etc…..
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Thank you so much for explaining. I get it now….
I never gave my child anything, not even Tylenol…….of course he was a very easy child! Now he is 17. Still easy.
you are welcome BB12. Let us pray for JUSTICE!!!!!
BB12, thanks for the sophisticated sociopath clarification, that makes sense. Like I said, Misty is practicing ;).
IIR, We’ve been told that Hank Sr. has a severe reading disorder. Misty’s school refusal suggests that she has a pretty hard time as well. Such a shame because it appears that Misty has a pretty sharp mind otherwise. Could have done great things instead of terrible things.
BB12, or Misty could have come up with the overdose story right away and told Ron about it in the 8:30 pm phone call. That way, he could have helped formulate the cover-up and is then more involved.
Me too, just thinking with my fingers.
Kate @ 9:52 am
Long ago M’s grandmother (maybe this one from TN I’m not sure) said that M had a hard time with her school work. M stayed with her sometimes. The gma wished M’s mom would make her attend school. So IMO it all goes back to Hank and Lisa who did nothing to help or encourage M. I wonder if the school tried to help her. I doubt it. Schools are more focused on the bright ones – not helping those from at-risk home-lives or who have other problems and actually NEED the help. IMO
I don’t think Joe was involved, if he was they would have squealed a long time ago, maybe he helped after the fact, I don’t know. I wonder if HaLeigh saw something with Tommy and Misty.
I am trying to maintain some objectivity in this case, but with the players involved in all the families it is hard to do. There are so many inconsistent stories that it boggles the mind, and yet, during the story there is a missing child, our beautiful Haleigh. I want to step back and examine some things. We are a “first impression” society. We have based our opinions/ assumptions by their behavior–and none have did any favors for themselves by being drug takers/sellers, angry, and sometimes downright vengeful people, not to mention pathological liars before and after Haleigh’s abduction. People have made a BIG deal out of the tattoo Ron got after the abduction. Some saw it as guilt or knowledge of the crime. Does anyone else know that Amber Dubois’s mother got a tattoo after her abduction, also (with the date Amber went missing) And bloggers went wild with speculation there too. Sadly, Amber’s murder was solved after over a year, and he happened to be the same monster that killed Chelsie King, but not before Amber’s family was villified in blog after blog. The police deemed Amber’s case as a runaway almost immediately (even though she did not have a troubled home life). Sometimes police “lose” focus. It is easy to do when you throw drugs in the mix, and not the most believable of people. The Croslins have rap sheets as long as my arm, but not one do I notice a violent crime aimed at a child. The Cummings children loved Misty (and most people have attested to this, including Crystal). And at the beginning, TN and GGM Sykes defended her, and Crystal also stated early on that she did not believe Misty harmed Haleigh. Misty babysat for her nieces and nephews, and no incidents occurred in her care (or have not been stated) that Misty was none other than a caring babysitter. That’s telling to me. NOW, with the media’s help and sensationistic journalists,most if not all of these people have made Misty out to be a MONSTER! The Croslins have become “welfare witnesses” because they have had their hand out since day one–they will take what is given freely on one condition–to demonize Misty.
Has anyone stopped to think why Misty and Tommy have come up with the story they have told now? First of all, if indeed that river was Haleigh’s final resting place, there will be next to no evidence. And wasn’t it said there would have to be EVIDENCE, before they are to be believed? There will be ZERO evidence because, of course, the predators that live under the water would have all but destroyed what was left of her remains. Dont believe for a minute they do not hear the news, they know this story can never corroborated, so why not lie? Especially if in the end, they get what they ultimately wanted in the first place, their freedom and a brief respite from all the questions and interrogations. Throw the Grandma from TN in the mix, a third party corroborator, and you have a story that seems plausible. Grandma has “cash” in her eyes (as had several in this tragedy, not to mention the attention her claims have warranted) and people jumped on this bandwagon of LYCHING Misty, Tommy, and Joe. But to do that there will have to be evidence that crime took place and this evidence would have to implicate them. IMO, There will be NONE. I thought of OJ’s Glove when I wrote this (someone who never wavered in his defense of Misty). There is no TEXTBOOK to show how a parent should act or grieve. So if you base responsibility for Haleigh’s abduction on that, all of Haleigh’s family will be behind bars. IMO An SO is responsible for the abduction of Haleigh (maybe like the one who fell under the radar in the Somer Thompson case who some described as a “Big Teddy Bear”). He “preyed” on this child and “cased the neighborhood and home, and then in the middle of the night he struck. To leave Ron, Misty, and the countless others to “clean up the mess” to only pull themselves into the criticism and public crucifixion that followed. We will never know what happened until when/if he strikes again! Then maybe the location of Haleigh’s remains will be found and maybe answers that alluded us will be come clear.! Pray for Haleigh and all who loved her!
ronfan said,in April 17th, 2010 at 2:57 am:
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I read it all – it is entertaining; good job!
In the lie detector or voice analysis video, something Misty said caught my attention:
‘Ron never had her [Haleigh]’. I tried to make sense of it when I viewed it, and consider possibilities for what she meant by ‘never had her’.
I wonder if she meant ‘Ron never had sex with Haleigh’, or ‘Ron never had custody of Haleigh after Haleigh was reported missing’.
Anyone else wonder about this? If so, what do you think she meant?
My concern is that she meant Ron never had sex with Haleigh, but others did.
Just FYI Chris, Jan said we are not allowed to talked about what happened to Misty when she was 13. She came one a thread a few days ago and said it was off limits.
Hollys Gmom said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 3:49 am
RonFan;
Thank you for that…..I needed some humor.
Ron’s in it up to his eyeballs….just keep watching.
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If he were in it up to his eyeballs he would not have been brought in with Crystal’s family for Hardy could tell them the news.
“vaquera said,in April 17th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
If he were in it up to his eyeballs he would not have been brought in with Crystal’s family for Hardy could tell them the news.”
The facts of this case in it’s entirety have yet to be revealed as the case is still in ongoing investigation mode.
If it is found that Ron did have something to do with it and that he truly was up to his eyeballs in it I wouldn’t cast blame on LE for allowing Ron to be there when the news was being released to the family members. I look at is as that LE simply presumed innocence at that time.
jmvho… .and just saying.
If Haleigh were transported in the van then it seems the blanket found in the van should have revealed some clues I would think.
Also LE had that van for quite a period of time for analysis. Was there any evidence found to show that the cinder blocks were transported via the van?
Cinderblocks are pourous and would most likely leave a powder residue I would think.
I still wonder if it were possible that maybe Misty may have taken the Children in the van to be near where Ron works that night.
Two things could have been solved if that were true one is that Misty would be where Ron knew she was so there was no threat of her possibly taking off or being with another guy such as WMG. The other issue is that it’s been said that Misty did not want to babysit the Children that night because she was apparently to tired so if the Children were taken closer to where Ron works then there would be the threat of Daddy Ron being called out to the van to deal with the Children himself, if necessary.
I don’t believe for one second that Tommy would do anything to protect Ron. Not even if he was beggingly asked to protect Ron for Misty’s sake.
No way, no how imo.
Tommy might be protecting Misty though, especially if Misty had told him that she herself had hit Haleigh in the back of the head with a piece of wood as is what was originally told to Granny Flo.
Especially if Timmy and the rest of the bunch were told that story and they all decided to do whatever they could to protect Misty.
Misty could potentially have called up her Brother’s and Cousin and bogusly told them there was an accident and that she was desperate for their help. That then would make each of them an accessory after the fact but not necessarily guilty of causing Haleigh’s death if that were the case.
Each one of them would have every reason to want to pin this on the weakest link. They would all be guilty in some fashion.
If Misty told them all it was an accident that she casued they would still want to protect her from going to prison for the rest of her life or worse.
Is it possible too that the headless rat was planted as a threat to the second weakest link of the bunch since the other one had thus far remained silent?
The gun that was missing was found in the ditch at Tommy’s house correct?
Was Tommy originally meant to be the fall guy but when the story didn’t make sense they had to change it all up and decided to pin it all on Cousin Joe as a last resort instead?
When was the van allegedly dropped back off at Chelsea’s house after Misty had driven it and had Misty driven that van at all the day prior to Haleigh’s disappearance?
No matter what it is that has happened I do hope this case is solved quickly but thoroughly.
Is the reason why the red truck was sold possibly because the cinder blocks were transported that way instead of the van?
Is the reason why the red truck was sold possibly because the ciner blocks were transported that way instead of the van?
My apologies for the double post. That was supposed to say “cinder blocks”.
It was mentioned that perhaps they brought Haleigh by boat. I recall LE taking in Rons john boat a month or two ago. They could of carried Haleigh and the blocks by boat.
BBL
vaqueravaquera said,in April 17th, 2010 at 12:57 If he were in it up to his eyeballs he would not have been brought in with Crystal’s family for Hardy could tell them the news.
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I read a transcript of Nancy Grace and Ron’s attorney said that he did not know if Ron was present “with” the family. He was in the building and told but he did not know if he was in with everyone else when told. Makes me wonder if he was viewing the meeting just so LE could see his reaction.
if Ron had a boat as you say LFJ, then maybe its possible TC and JO put it in the back of the red truck with the bricks and took off to go wherever they brought her to.
Misty and Tommy – that’s all!! End of story. Haleigh died through negligence or outright abuse on Misty’s part, Tommy helped Misty dispose of the body and evidence and set up the scene. Where the rest of the Croslins in the know? You betcha!
In response to an earlier post:
I’m not buying the whole “Joe molested Misty” thing. Misty is a proven liar as is the illustrious Ms. Anthony presently cooling her heels in Orlando. Casey is now alleging having been molested by her father and brother. Why? As an excuse for her “bad” behavior. Same for “pity me” Misty.
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