My wife Jan and I have been following this story from day one. Were it not for the fact that a young girl Haleigh Cummings is still missing, I would have found todays news hugely amusing.
On Monday Misty Croslin pleaded no contest to 7 charges concerning the trafficking of prescription drugs. This plea, as some news outlets would have us believe, she faced a potential of 240 years behind bars. Of course this was rubbish, but that is how some people make their advertising dollar. It was far more likely that she faced 25 years. This is no easy street, lets face it, 25 years is still a very long time.
Today (Tuesday) Misty was once again in court, this time in St Johns county. She faced one trafficking charge that carried a 25 year minimum. It was no surprise that Misty Croslin took the no contest plea. Hey, when you are looking at spending the rest of your life behind bars, what is another paltry 25 years?
The real fun started after the hearing was over. Misty Croslin’s attorney Robert Fields seemed to think that this was the perfect time to unleash information on the case that his client apparently did not see fit to share with the police at the time the little girl went missing.
Todays story is that Misty was in bed, heard people in the trailer, and, afraid for her life, pulled the blankets over her head. These ‘bad men’ stole Haleigh.
Of course this is a story with so many holes in it you could drive a Mack Truck through it!
Even if you buy into the story, there are many questions. Number one, what did she do after the ‘Bad Men’ left? Apparently nothing. She went back to sleep!
I am a big fan of Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. This latest invention is about as likely as the Vatican recommending Dan brown for sainthood!
The story we are being fed is about as believable as winning the SuperBall without buying a ticket.
Robert Fields is not usually a guy that makes mistakes, but this might be one. His finesse on getting Misty’s two very separate drug situations combined into one was sheer brilliance. He can now play his ‘trump card’, the youthful offender one.
I am not so sure that this ‘hiding under the covers’ defense is going to work nearly as well. As soon as the ‘bad guys’ left, why didn’t she call 911? OK, maybe she did not have a phone? But I am sure that a neighbour had a phone!
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon, in regards to your previous comment concerning PCSO statements: WHAM!! My sentiments, exactly!!!
hmmm, so their goal is to bring Haleigh home??? To her family….
Homicide case? I think not!!! Knew it!!
We know per history repeating itself in this case, full of forks in the road, that when PCSO makes official statements and INSISTS ITS THE TRUTH: translation: not. Think opposite, but it’s been hopefully true in this incident.
I still say this is all so Joe thinks he is off the hook and their just waiting for him to get sloppy and confident.
“Everyone is considered a person of interest in Haleigh’s disappearance except Crystal Sheffield and Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s parents,” he added.
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Hey ronfan, did u see the above quote?
Misty had a phone, she used it to talk with Ron at 8:30 and later to call 911 while Ron used his to call TN. No way she can claim her phone didnt work or wasnt there. jmo
JVM has Granny Flo on right now-and she’s added embellishments to her former story.
This is all so insane!
Ronfan–Glad to see you back and posting. You have been missed.
Granny Flo has no creditability left with anyone I don’t think. She keeps changing her story to fit what is put out in the media.
I really don’t believe a thing that Misty, Tommy, or Ron says anymore. I also put Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes in that same category.
I have my own opinion as to what happened, and so far nothing that I have seen has changed that opinion.
I just wish that PCSO would release what they have and be done with it.
Granny23–Why do I find that not hard to believe? With the last interview with Flo, you would think JVM would learn. What could Flo possibly add that she hasn’t said all ready? I read recently IIRC correctly that she is estranged from both sides of the family–Overstreets and Croslins–so I highly doubt she has any more inside knowledge that she failed to spill. JVM should have known better than to air this wild speculative story to the general public–add Flo’s embellishments–on Haleigh’s birthday. Shame on her! What despicable media whores these people have turned out to be! YUCK!
So the minimum sentence is 25 years what is the maximum ?
Granny 23 said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
JVM has Granny Flo on right now-and she’s added embellishments to her former story.
This is all so insane!
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Just like her grandkids and their ever changing stories. Every time Flo is on she embellishes the story even more..
Now she said Joe had sold Ron’s pistol and they had to retrieve it..hello it was in Tommy’s culvert, it wasn’t sold to anyone.
BAC, If you happen to read this, thanks for the clarification of your statement on the last article. You’re right, good point, Fields gets PCSO talking. At least they issued a statement.
Still, too wierd that Greenwood’s PCSO statement ends with “all we want to do is bring HaLeigh home.” Did it somehow slip his mind that they have declared this a homicide and canceled the Amber alert?
This goes back to Tommy’s statement where he said that when Joe was leaving after the incident, as he was holding the knife to Tommy’s throat, Tommy noticed a bag, or something like that, strange, in the vehicle…Tommy even said he was scared that Joe would notice that he saw it as he was standing there.
Perhaps, Joe put her in that bag, mouth taped shut, and she accidentally smothered…perhaps Joe had also given her some narcotics, to sedate her…not intentionally to kill her, but to get away with her and hold that sort of “ransom” for revenge on Ron…of course never thinking that the case would become such a huge headline…I pray she is alive, I really think she still is, as most of us do.
And what happened to Joe putting Misty up with a knife and raping her? Maybe that part was the dream and the taking HaLeigh is the reality part?
So Tommy was supposedly waiting in the van to drive the getaway vehicle?
Ronfan, Greenwood seems to think she is still alive and can “come home,” lol.
Well, maybe I’ll break my resolve and go watch jvm and/or ng since that’s where everyone seems to be ;).
I also think it’s intesting that greenwoods statement said that everyone is a suspect except for the childs parents…(or something of that nature) okay so does this mean that the sheffields are still under investigation, and are suspect?
also, about the possiblity that she may not have had a phone? Didn’t she say she was trying top call ron and he suddenly appeared at the door? interesting
Hi methinks! So happy someone else is here :).
methinks, I’ve missed the “I didn’t have a phone” thing. Is that what Fields is saying Misty says about why she didn’t call 911?
Cate, I missed the “I didn’t have a phone” thing too.
Hi LadySadie! So did you go to Misty’s court appointments yesterday and/or today? Or do you prefer to defer that question, which would be understandable?
I think the “I don’t have a phone” is just speculation with this article. I don’t think Fields ever stated this in his story. I think it came when Simon asks why Misty did not call 911 immediately after JO left with Haleigh. JMO
No, Cate, wasn’t able to go to either, had planned to go on the 23rd if she took it trial and even put in for a vacation day. Guess I’ll just enjoy the day off now.
Hello everyone…
I loved the video for HaLeigh.. thank you for sharing that.. it makes me so so sad…
Happy Birthday, sweetness…
Is it me or does Granny Flo seem like she is on pills too? Her speech is much slower than the older interviews.
JABA: NO, I didn’t!!! I completely missed that, but all I can say is YES!!!
Thanx, I guess I better read slower, got ahead of myself there!!
Robin: Thanks!! I have been following, but have been extremely engrossed in the tragic death of one of my son’s best friends; he fell into the Colorado River and drowned in June.
Thanks again, Glad to be posting again.
Surely Fields doesn’t believe his client? I am wondering why he is floating this nonsense around..The only thing added to this old story is the black bag…Jr. would have heard a screaming Haleigh, and nothing has been mentioned that he heard anything except a squeaky couch, and a man dressed in black..The tales are so convoluted, the truth will be almost impossible to decipher.. IMO
Ronfan–I am sorry to hear about your son’s friend. What a tragedy for your family.
Ronfan, Yes, so sorry to hear about your son’s friend, and it sounds certainly like your friend, as well. Peace be with you and yours and with his family as well.
The absurdity factor just ratchets up, doesn’t it? Is it possible that Fields is floating this because what Misty really said was that HaLeigh is alive and her maternal family knows where she is…
Cate, why would Misty’s attorney (Fields) float this horrible story if she actually said something else?
Just an observation but I saw Fields grab and feel Misty’s shoulder today in court. Just hit me the wrong way especially with his comments that he feels for her.
LadySadie, I don’t really have any idea, just brainstorming. I guess I was thinking something along the lines of smokin’ ’em out. Like put out this terrible story so that they have to throw up their hands in surrender. Okay, here is a better way to explain it, forcing their hand. IF she was kidnapped by known persons, they are forced to either play along with this horrible scenario or give in and tell the truth.
MAM, Oh, I hope you are wrong with your interpretation on that. Nothing against you, personally, but this story is sordid enough as is!
how did she see anybody put her into a black bag if she was hiding under the covers in another room? (on a few other websites it says she saw joe put haleigh into a bag yet she says she was hiding under the covers cause she was scared. im a little confused
If Haleigh’s maternal family knows where she is, it would not be kept secret this long..IMO Haleigh has distinctive characteristics..Someone would have seen her by now..I don’t think she is alive..I wish I thought differently..There’s been other children show up after months, years..My hope is she is alive, but it doesn’t look good..
IMO
It is my opinion Fields was too touchy feely with Misty today in court. Don’t have the video at my fingertips but to me what he did was totally inappropriate. These lawyers working this case appear to be bottom of the barrel.
“This plea, as some news outlets would have us believe, she faced a potential of 240 years behind bars. Of course this was rubbish, but that is how some people make their advertising dollar.”
Actually First Coast News was quoting the State Attorney.
This is not the first time I have heard the Joe story either. Misty has told LE this since day one. Fields just chose to go public with it. I think it was Art Harris that reported on it as early as January.
If she was so scared why didn’t she call Ron immediately, and tell him someone took Haleigh? That’s not my definition of “scared”.
Her 911 call was controlled, not hysterical, as one would think in that situation…I don’t think Misty was the key player in Haleigh’s disappearance, but I think she knows who was, and is protecting that person.
Here is a link to the interview that Crystal S gave today. She was in the courtroom when Misty plead no lo.
(take out the spaces in the url)
http://www.firstcoastnews.com /video /default.aspx?bctid=587248836001#/News/Attorney%3A+Croslin+Heard+Haleigh+Being+Abducted%3B+Balloon+Rele/50619441001/50624658001/587248836001
Sorry, misty didn’t say she didn’t have a phone to call. It was just speculation as to the reason why jo would have left her with a phone. It’s all crap in my book. sorry for the misunderstanding. night all. God bless Haleigh and all of you guys too.
Darn it won’t let me post the link to the interview that Crystal S. gave today. She was in St Johns County courtroom when Misty plead no contest.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=587248836001#/News /Attorney%3A+Croslin+Heard+Haleigh+Being+Abducted%3B+Balloon+Rele/50619441001/50624658001/587248836001
MAM, You mention a video of the courtroom today with touchy-feeling from Fields to Misty. If you can post it, or a link, would be much appreciated. TIA.
LadySadie, maybe you could direct us to the interview with Crystal S.? Is it a transcript/news report or a video?
LadySadie–I saw a couple of statements Crystal made after today’s court appearance, but have yet to see a video.
Marta, yes, the only “I’m scared” behaviors that Misty exhibited appear to be those of a cover-up… clean the place up and put dirty laundry in the dryer. I suppose I could stretch and understand Misty as not trusting LE of any sort and not calling for help because she feels guilty or or or, there isn’t much of a way to make sense of it, really.
No Tommy was not driving the van, Joe had him outside talking (threatening him), and IMO only, I do think Misty could be able to see something by picking up a tiny bit of the covers…peeking. But, OMG, if that’s true, how in the He** COULD they have not just gotten crazy and stampeded Joe? Was he that insane, and psycho, I am wondering how much of a psych history he really does have…They would have had to be very afraid of Joe, and actually, now that I’m thinking about this, I bet Misty and Tommy were not only afraid of Joe, but more afraid of what RONALD would do.
I’ll try to post the link one more time, LOL, maybe it will go thru (make sure to take out the spaces)
http://www.firstcoastnews.com /video /default.aspx?bctid=587248836001#/News/Attorney%3A+Croslin+Heard+Haleigh+Being+Abducted%3B+Balloon+Rele/50619441001/50624658001/587248836001
LadySadie, link worked for me, worth seeing, thank you.
ronfan, don’t quite get this, “Joe had him outside talking (threatening him).” Could you explain, or point me to the source?
Good point about Misty and Tommy being afraid of what Ron might do… speaking of which, let’s say for a moment that the “Joe did it” story is more or less true, how about that RAT IN TOMMY’S MAILBOX, how does that fit in now?
Also, the many phone calls Ron made that night is strange, unless he normally calls her that often while at work…When did he have time to work? It’s all confusing, and Fields is not helping with his comments about the black bag…Misty didn’t tell Granny Flo, and I think she would have if it were true..Flo was on JVM tonight..She told Jane, “put me in jail with Misty, and I’ll get the truth”..OMGGGG Granny Flo can do wonders, but most of all she can run her mouth..lol
This is total BS, Misty let Joe do this and then left him go back to Timmys(who she claims to love) who has a pregnant wife and kids? And he is supposedly crazy? She doesnt call Timmy immediatly after he leaves to warn him about Joe? She doesnt call Ron, LE or anyone? What does she do? Did she just sit there and wait on Ron? If she was afraid of what Ron would do she would have been on the phone to LE with lightening speed to get their protection. This story just doesnt float. jmo
misty and tommy are scapegoats in my heart of heart i truly feel this to be true..misty wasnt there period she dont no all the details she was given script and shes sticking to it..shes not going to tell on the true perps her and tommy both are afraid of them who ever they are.. mr greenwood needs to be removed way away from this case as well as alot of the other pcso..hes the biggest bud rc has for some reason and i dont believe its good what ever the reason is..theres one thing about 3 people involved in this that really bugs me and its the 3 that havent said much and acused anyone at all and took up for everyone left and right is rc,tn,jo..the 2 thats said the least is rc and jo..the 2 quiet ones really bother me and should bother anyone..until some new faces are brought into this case it will never be solved period..they need to bust the cummings and mothers side wide open are its not going to be solved..theres been to much sweetness its garbage and mistys atty is what can i say its sad shows what you get when you cant afford an atty..there is no true facts in this case period from anyone..i no some peeps say go with the facts but theres no true ones from anyone left or right in this case..i say misty and tommy are scapegoats thats my story and im sticking to it..they treated cobra like crap down there for the sake of politics and there still at it..if not go get the cummings and sheffields..ive became more than angry at this case..its sad so very sad..wheres haleigh
tobias, I certainly agree that it doesn’t make sense for Misty to let Joe go back to Timmy’s, who, like you say, she claims to love and be tight with, with the two kids there— GIRLS, LITTLE GIRLS!!!!!!!
And then Tommy and Joe both just went home and hit the hay, like it was all in a day’s work?
We’ve heard from Chelsea, she was up late doing taxes and such— and didn’t notice the van leaving, or Joe calling Tommy to make the midnight plan, or Joe returning?— and Lindsy says that Tommy was home all night, cooked a real meal for the kids and all while she was at school? So what do the wives now have to say?
tobias, Although I could see Misty not calling LE, the idea that people like her don’t trust authority, but wait, that makes no sense, either. She was quick to call 911 when she was robbed in the parking lot and she was there to buy drugs!!
I’m not completely eliminating Timmy..Was he in Satsuma that night/morning? I heard he left the next day (out of state) in a rush..Very little has been said about him, so I assume he has been cleared..
tobias, She didn’t quite just sit there and wait for Ron, she made the beds and put dirty laundry in the dryer? Covered up the scene? Although I suppose that might make some sense from the perspective that she felt responsible since she was supposed to be watching the kids and “let” this happen, and worse, Joe is her cousin.
Never heard that, Timmy and Chelsea were in Satsuma for several months before they went to MASS.jmo
Cate:
In the parking lot instance, she was very animated in her voice…more upset, and concerned than when she called 911 to report Haleigh missing..Did she know what happened to Haleigh before the 911 call? If we are to believe Fields, she did…If Misty told Fields the truth (her truth) in the beginning, why did she find it necessary to change her story so many times? No one in the Cummings/Croslin family are to be believed…IMO
Misty told LE this story about Joe since Day One. Art Harris leaked the story a while ago, he wrote more about it tonight.
I think Misty should spend the rest of her life in prison for not being more forth coming and screaming the truth at the roof tops and the fact that she didn’t help Haleigh while she was being murdered by Joe.
It has been said that Joe is mentally deranged so perhaps that is why Ron didn’t go after him, I just don’t know but I think we are closer to the truth than we have ever been before.
Steve Werter told Art Harris Tommy was in the Van when they disposed of Haleigh’s body. He is talking about it again tonight.
Just wish LE would go have a serious talk with Joe, for once. The first time Joe said they were very friendly towards him.
Anyone know the latest on Lindsey, Tommy’s wife? Did they divorce? Did she move to Mass.? The last I heard she was supportive of him in his last court appearance.. TIA
I think this is interesting. Why say this? So is Theresa, Lindsay, Tommy, Timmy, Chelsea, Marie, Chad, Gma Hollers, etc… all considered persons of interest? I really believe they are saying this to get Misty to implicate Ron. JMO
“Everyone is considered a person of interest in Haleigh’s disappearance except Crystal Sheffield and Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s parents,” he added.
LE has been all over Misty from the start of Haleigh going missing. If Misty knew anything she would have told LE just to get them off of her back. Misty would not protect JO. Misty is not afraid of JO. If Misty did see somebody take Haleigh, I doubt seriously it was JO. My gosh they through JO under the bus as soon as he left town, why not tell LE everything then, if she did indeed witness JO taking Haleigh.
And where is Jr in all of this? Under the sheet with Misty hiding while his sissy is screaming and being carried off? I doubt it. Jr would have told.
They are all getting a lot of time, why aren’t there attorneys encouraging them to just tell the truth. If they did something to Haleigh, doubtful they would get much more time then they are already getting. If they made up the story in order to get a deal to get out of jail, just say so, so that they can look for Haleigh and bring her home.
Just somebody, anybody, tell the damn truth!
Marta
Go look at Lindsey’s myspace . It’s not private. She has pictures on her page of Misty and her and tommy’s kids. Here is the link
http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin
MAM–So Werter is talking again? Fields spins this story today and Werter comes out of the woodwork tonight..Hmmm Does anyone not think it strange that all these stories are coming from the attorneys that are supposed to be defending their clients? I am not buying this and I find it highly suspicious that both of these attorneys are playing the same game–coming out with this story BEFORE their client’s sentencing. It sounds like both attorneys have sold their client’s down the river. Neither have did their client’s any favors–not in the justice system’s eyes nor the public either. Sad for sure and downright Ineffective counsel. Sorry I am not buying any of this. No attorney should be spinning a story to the media about Haleigh’s disappearance when it is supposedly separate from the drug trafficking charges. LE has claimed this time and time again and in the eyes of the law it should be totally separate. JMO
Didn’t read back.. don’t know if ya seen the vid of Balloon release!
http://jacksonville.com/video/entertainment/amanda-warford/2010-08-17/watch-family-haleigh-cummings-celebrate-her-birthday
Ron has said he will kill anyone who took his daughter..He had his chance with Joe, and did nothing..Misty has claimed Joe was involved from the beginning..She and Ron were still together at that time..Are we to believe she didn’t tell Ron, her lover, confidante? I think he knew everything about Misty, and every move she made…Fields wants more time in the spotlight.. What he is saying has nothing to do with her drug charges..just more spin on old theories.. IMO
Imo, misty is covering for tommys ‘big’ crime. Always has been, imo.
Ron may have thought he’d figured it out but couldn’t prove it enough to kill over.
Jmo
Misty mis led ron on to joe but gave the same ‘I was under the covers so I don’t really know it all except that joe did it’…or in so many words.
Jmo
Misty was TRYING to get Tommy into trouble months ago by accusing him of stealing. Do you REALLY think that if he killed haleigh, she would have said so.
No of the senarios that have any of the clans involved with Halieghs disappearace make any sense.
I am only left with one senario that makes perfect sense, given all we know—a senario that LE shot down on day 1—A stranager abduction.
Misty knows.
Tommy knows.
Imo
Now they can think about coming clean for the sake of doing so.
Although, there are plenty of murderers who never tell even when they are in the middle of an investigation.
Boy oh Boy, Greenwood says in the last article all they want to do is “find Haleigh and bring her home to her family”..IMO LE is waiting on all these court hearings and trials to get over with first to bring Haleigh out. JMHO!!
Jr. has been used in this latest Misty theory. He wan’t old enough to lie about anything he knew. He would have already told of the screaming of Haleigh and being under the sheets/covers with Misty that night. Children tell the TRUTH.
Out of where?
Judithan–I agree. That’s why I do not buy this story. Jr would have heard Haleigh screaming (as Misty claims Haleigh was doing according to Fields). He would have told LE this. He would have told both parents this too and they in turn would have reported it early on in the media. JMO
“The real fun started after the hearing was over”…….. I don’t find anything remotely fun or rationale about this entire atrocity /story, HaLeigh missing, or the insane drug arrests and sentences for this petty ante illiterate ignorant juvenile drug users.
We can agree to disagree however, HS didn’t answer or provoke any confessions when she was sentenced to 15 yrs back in April or was it March as most declared “this will make Misty or Ron or Joe or Tommy” sing and sell their souls, depending on who believed whom. Nothing changed. I doubt it will tomorrow or the next week or in October…. After 18 months, if the experts were not able to “crack” a bunch of drug addicts with a 4th grade education and absolutely no semblance of a normal childhood (in fact based on most state statues the definition of child abuse and neglect for this bunch rates 100) I seriously doubt there will be any more information other than ridiculuos drug terms that do absolutely nothing for HaLeigh. Obviuosly I am beyond disappointed in the lack of findings or answers regarding the loss of HaLeigh, and to perceive the prison terms for again petty drug charges, as “revenge” for HaLeigh, IN MY OPINION is an insult to her memory because at this point no one knows or they would be in jail, and my faith in blind justice of the judicial system just went out the window. MY opinion and my beliefs….
OK. two illiterate drug addicts and dealers, one of whom was only 17 at the time, have eluded LE, FBI, FLD, PIs, media, etc for 18 months. If this is the case, Misty and Tommy are smarter than all of them.
Thanks, KyMom 🙂
Jnet–Well said and I agree.
misty nor tommy no the whole truth in my opp..tommy no,s what misty has said and etc as far as the script..i remember tommys first statement to his dad jo didnt do nothing mistys covering for her ole man no i want lie for misty this time i want say someone did it that didnt no not this time..that i believe instead of the made up stories to get out of more time and all those attys cant even see it,,its nuts i tell ya pure nuts..tommy and misty not guilty florida people should write the governer and demand all those famlies be investigated inside and out stop waiting mistys not going to tell ..justice for haleigh not cover our rears no more..
i forgot something very important no more privlidges for the leader of the pack..justice for haleigh please
I don’t think any of these players are smarter than the LE. But if they were STONED enough they might not remember what actually happened to Haleigh so they’re just making up stories to cover their butt. Enough drug abuse will make you loose brain cells and they seem to be long term users. No saying this happened but they’re all over the place with with accusations, lies and excuses. LE has their hands full dealing with them ALL.
I don’t think any of these people are smarter than LE. I think LE are suffering from tunnelvision and they lost focus early on–the focus should have been Haleigh and finding what happened to her. Instead they took the words of several drug addicts/dealers to build a case–and I don’t mean just Misty and Tommy. This includes NayNay, WBG, and Amber Brooks as well. None of these people have been bastions of truth and none of these people have helped in bringing Haleigh home. All have spun a story or two and none of them have produced evidence to back up their claims. Many LE agencies in Florida, FBI, and a few PIs have not been able to solve this case or find Haleigh, so I have lost hope that Haleigh will be found, or that answers will be forthcoming. The answer to where Haleigh is will not be found until someone has a conscience or the public finds her by accident. JMO
To Robin and Cate: Thank You so much for your kind words. My son has been truly devastated…Just as this tells us a sad but true lesson, which is to live every day to the fullest, don’t take anyone or any moment for granted, and above all, just live your life with love.
I know it’s off topic, but in a way I guess it’s not; I can’t imagine how it must feel, how agonizing, and how much infinite pain as a parent one experiences at the loss of their child, and wondering how they suffered…what fear did they feel, (just imagining it makes me sick) what were their last thoughts? Did they cry out; as a parent, we are there when our children enter this world…how horrible and tragic it must be to suddenly without warning, have your precious child TAKEN from you..and your not there, you weren’t given the chance to help your own child; My God, how helpless and torn these parents must feel..
Taylor’s Father said “If Taylor isn’t alive, then atleast give us a chance, help us to find his body so we can have a final answer and bring his body home. That’s all we ask.”
He said the “unknown and the uncertainty” were like the worst nightmare of your life, with no ending in sight and no sense of anything.
Obviously, we all know that is exactly what Haleigh’s family is experiencing. No answers, no feasible thoughts, no sense.
God Bless Haleigh. I believe she is still alive, and I pray tonight for her family, and all the suffering they are enduring. I think of her Family, knowing this should be a Birthday with a cake, and presents…but there is no Haleigh to blow out the candles, or open the presents.
JillF said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
I think this is interesting. Why say this? So is Theresa, Lindsay, Tommy, Timmy, Chelsea, Marie, Chad, Gma Hollers, etc… all considered persons of interest? I really believe they are saying this to get Misty to implicate Ron. JMO
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It’s not the first time it’s been said by PCSO but people just tend to gloss over it.
Robin- I agree. LE has side tracked Haleigh due to the drug problems. They can’t give the attention needed to find Haleigh because everyone involved in this case seem to be users. I hope and pray there will be closure for Haleigh but the longer this goes on I’m starting to lose hope that there will be ever closure for her.
btw, wanted to say that everyone’s theories are extremely thought provoking and clever.
I’m really enjoying reading them, and definitely think it’s leading to something.
Can’t stop thinking about that VAN!!!
My God, seriously, didn’t they pull DNA or fingerprints, or even darn SHOE PRINTS, BUTT PRINTS, FABRIC, ANYTHING….I mean, really, are the folks of PCSO attempting to swear that they got nothing out of that search, or of the search of the infamous seized “maroon suv” REMEMBER, after they searched it, they refused to make ANY official statements concerning their findings; SOUND FAMILIAR? Just like when they interrogated good ole (self proclaimed innocent) Timmy and Chelsea. That follow up official statement reeked of the same smack: the PCSO had nothing to say “at this time”….
So, as the world turns, we know this: anytime PCSO says that, then it means BINGO!! They found something or someone that holds a clue.
***if there was a struggle, wouldn’t they have found hair, like Haleigh’s hair, so long, and so thick….IDK, seems weird that PCSO never mentioned even that.***
Goin’ night night!! Snugglin up with my precious 3yr old son, and thanking Dear God that I have my 22yr old son alive,well,and with me.
btw, wanted to say that everyone’s theories are extremely thought provoking and clever.
I’m really enjoying reading them, and definitely think it’s leading to something.
Can’t stop thinking about that VAN!!!
My God, seriously, didn’t they pull DNA or fingerprints, or even darn SHOE PRINTS, BUTT PRINTS, FABRIC, ANYTHING….I mean, really, are the folks of PCSO attempting to swear that they got nothing out of that search, or of the search of the infamous seized “maroon suv” REMEMBER, after they searched it, they refused to make ANY official statements concerning their findings; SOUND FAMILIAR? Just like when they interrogated good ole (self proclaimed innocent) Timmy and Chelsea. That follow up official statement reeked of the same smack: the PCSO had nothing to say “at this time”….
So, as the world turns, we know this: anytime PCSO says that, then it means BINGO!! They found something or someone that holds a clue.
***if there was a struggle, wouldn’t they have found hair, like Haleigh’s hair, so long, and so thick….IDK, seems weird that PCSO never mentioned even that.***
Goin’ night night!! Snugglin up with my precious 3yr old son, and thanking Dear God that I have my 22yr old son alive,well,and with me.
Marta said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
I’m not completely eliminating Timmy..Was he in Satsuma that night/morning? I heard he left the next day (out of state) in a rush..Very little has been said about him, so I assume he has been cleared..
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Joe left the next day, that was his planned time to go back to TN. Timmy/Chelsea moved in July 2-3 days after the baby was born.
Mam said:
Just wish LE would go have a serious talk with Joe, for once. The first time Joe said they were very friendly towards him.
What is a cop to do after all Tommy “knocked on the wall” That would of swept me off my feet too.
This story is in part true I don’t feel completely convinced the child is dead. She is covering for family.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
When Art Harris came out with the letter by Misty to her brother’s wife the LE completely discredited it calling it hog wash. Shortly there after TC repeated the story with the exception of excluding himself as present when the child was allegedly murdered. The LE jumped all over it and validated TC’s version, it was the same one.
When LE had TC in jail on the gun charge when he told the story of knocking on the door and he left LE immediately took to the air waves to declare a witness to their theory. The reason TC slipped through their hands was because he told them what they needed to hear in order to make their version correct rather than being open to searching more versions to so they could do right by the child and that is tunnel vision. LE’s behaviour has been targeted at Misty with favoring pretty much every and any one else, with that said of course they do not have Misty’s trust. It’s not even a trust thing it’s a belief that one will be treated fairly which Misty has valid ground not to believe. When the Mother took to the air waves saying Misty knew more the LE immediately jumped on that. Yet they knew and know by just stomping around on this earth enough that in situations and groups of people like this what the Mother did was likely generated by revenge for not cooperating in some sort of crime. How do they expect to be seen as Moral and just and there fore capable of being fair and just if in their actions they sell out on any little window that satisfies their over abundant desire to generate hate towards Misty. It seems as though the writing on the wall just escapes them, this does not take a magician or super being just a person who in all instances and in his/her being is just and fair to all human life, just be descent.
This is such a tragedy because if these men had not come over this child would be OK. With their arrival and reign of terror several lives including Misty have been forever altered and taken away. It’s sad that this child was in this environment with persons of this character and addictions frequenting the home and that weight is on the Parents, the biological parents. It’s just sad on every level.
Another example of not fair and just is putting someone on display while being tagged teamed on a dock while one of the team plays a second rate mime act. I say second rate because because 1st rate mimes where the costume, that guy forgot to put on the wife beater shirt.
Hi Simon & Jan, I would love a piece on what happened with Hank Sr and Lisa in court today.
Lynny–If you go to the next thread you will see that someone posted their records. I think both were moved to Daytona Beach, to a jail or holding facility there. JMO
Great article, Simon! Love your sense of humor!
Misty has told so many versions that this one is laughable. She and Junior hid under the covers while someone put Haleigh in a black bag and she heard Haleigh screaming. (Per Jax4 TV)
Give me a break! With me, she has no credibility.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in August 17th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
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Hi, Beautiful*adams!
Thank you for the Link! The balloon release was beautiful. I bet Haleigh would have been so excited to see the balloons float away!
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=163441&catid=3
First Coast News Fl
8-17-10
“Misty Croslin Attorney: Joe Overstreet Took Haleigh Cummings”
This video is a snippet of an interview with Teresa Neves; then it shows Misty in the court room, the Judge and Misty’s attorney, Fields.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=587248836001#/News/Haleigh+Birthday_Balloons+SOTVO.mov/50619441001/50624658001/587343776001
First Coast News 8-17-10
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Strangely, this video is titled Haleigh Birthday Balloons.
Dang it those videos show they were releasing Mylar balloons and ribbons tied to the balloons, grrrrrr! Well it was a nice gesture but now there will be fish and wild life harmed or killed because of this.
RE: LE stating they wanted to “bring Haleigh home”. I don’t see that has necessarily contradictory to a homicide investigation. Just like with the Zach case where we all truly feel he is no longer with us, we still want to “bring him home” and give the family closure. I think that sounds a LOT more sensitive then to say “we want to find her little body” or “we want to recover her bones”. All of us have stated we want to find Haleigh and bring her home even though many of us believe she is no longer with us.
Anyway….just saying….I don’t read too much into that statement. To me, it is just LE being sensitive. AND it leaves the door open to a live Haleigh…..just in case.
I find the lack of info on newer developments surprising after the abundant influx of it for so long
Why no details about Tommy since his sentencing? I am sure he is in a hurry to get to prison, and which one is he going to?
Why no details about their folks?
I would love to know if/why the crack charges were dropped and if so what are they doing in Daytona, I assume it is purely a courtesy to separate them from the kids?
Lisa and Hank are in supervised probation in Daytona Beach-
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=257194206
You can type in their names and bring up their pages.
Lynny – It is curious that since the Drug cases and the Haleigh case are “separate” that we still get so little info on the drug portion.
I have no idea why they were sent to Daytona. I, like you, must assume it is to keep everyone apart. If that is the case, they may run out of prisons in Florida at the rate this family is going! LOL
Blink on Crime is reporting that her sources have told her that Joe O. was given a poly early on in the case, and passed.
The Feds questioned JO in the very beginning and it was said back then that he was given a LDT. I really would question the ability of the FBI if they were indeed fooled by a 19 year old punk a day after committing the horrendous crime that Misty and TC described.
I do think that PCSO thought there plan to incarcerate Misty with the threat of an extremely long jail term would give them the info they needed to find out what happened to Haleigh. I think that plan has backfired.
With all of them now facing pretty much their entire adult life behind bars, what incentive do they have to say anything? If they have anything to say at all.
If the story was made up in an effort to get out of jail, they need to come clean about that fact so people will get back to searching for Haleigh.
From what I remember , the ex-bride only suspected the cousin in the beginning. Even in her voice stress test she said she suspected him. LE followed up on her suspicions and went to Tn. to interview the cousin. She only came out with the “hiding under the blanket” story when she was arrested on the drug charges. As the “story” goes now , the ex-bride did NOTHING to protect Haleigh while she was supposedly being attacked. To me , that makes her an accessory after the fact for letting it happen and not calling 911. Why now is she so willing to implicate the cousin in all this? I think that he probably did sexually abuse her when she was younger and it’s her way to get back at him for it. And maybe , the cousin was sexually abusing Haleigh while he was down here on his vacation. Finally , this “story” just doesn’t sound plausible , for it starts out as a burglary of a machine gun then turns into an abuduction and murder of a 5yr old girl! If the story was Haleigh told the ex-bride the cousin was sexually abusing her and the cousin found out and murdered her to cover up that fact , then the story would be somewhat believable. I say somewhat beleivable because I would think both of them would of come up missing that night if the cousin is that crazy! Just my honest opinion.
WhyLie@9:44pm August 17th. AMEN!!!!!
WhyLie – I think that is why I’m really starting to believe Misty and TC had something to do with it. If they just had info about someone else doing it you would think they would have told BEFORE they went to jail and would DEFINITELY have told AFTER going to jail to lessen their sentences. But because they’ve told these far fetched unsubstantiated stories and changed their stories so many times I’m really starting to believe THEY are the guilty parties. And they aren’t talking because they know that getting a shorter sentence for the drug charges won’t mean squat if they are charged with kidnapping and murder. So they tell their wild tales to shift blame but otherwise keep their mouths shut.
But TC is showing some cracks in his armor. He’s looking pretty rough. So maybe, JUST maybe, one day soon he’ll come clean with what REALLY happened that night. But I’m still not holding my breath.
And I don’t think Joe knows what happened or he would have already talked. The only way I can see him being involved is if he helped with the cover-up and that is why he’s staying quiet. But I think the focus should be on Misty and TC because they are the two who have changed their stories and seem to have the most to lose by telling the truth. In this instance, perhaps, the truth will NOT set them free! So they’ll be content to do their time for the drugs and blame LE for their situation. Will come out of prison with chips on their shoulders, taking no responsibility for their own actions and will probably be worse criminals than they were when they went in. They’ll be bitter people and will repeat the errors of their parents. A vicious cycle of drug use and crime. Meanwhile, those who love Haleigh will continue to wonder, wait and hope. No questions answered. No justice for Haleigh.
I agree, JB..I wonder if Misty and Tommy even remember what really happened at this point. They may have been stoned out of minds that night.
Joe doing this, makes no sense..WASNT JOE OUT HANGING POSTERS OF HALEIGH.the next day, with family?? Dont you think If he did this, he would of been scared that day, that someone leaked out, he did this?? I dont care HOW CRAZZY they think he is, if this scenario happened, WHY didnt Misty call the police immediately when joe left in the van with haleigh?? The police would of found him, with haleigh and might have been able to save her, from the beginning. I dont care HOW scared you are of someone, the minuite they leave, your out the door, getting help, and she would of called ron immediately and told him about this, why would she be scared to tell ron, her own nutty cousin did this, and what did joe have, a knife?? Im sure out of the misty and tommy they could have tried to stop him, they would have fought in some way, especially if he tried to take a small child?? And their is no way Joe could have had the knife on Tommy the whole time, in the van, or out of the van, he would have had to grab the bag out of the van at sometime, and their would be the perfect opportunity to FIGHT HIM and SAVE HALEIGH. Tommy couldnt have been that drugged, he was walking, and talking. I dont think Joe did this, I think its someone else, but we are made to believe its joe, for some reason.
Due to the scratches in the van, I think that Haleigh was placed in the van at some point. this may be the only true part of the story being told. The rest may never be known. I think jo may have been there, but not sure of to what degree he may have been involved. He’s not an innocent little boy being dragged into a horrible crime. I think he was there.jmo
I read sometime back on Misty Croslin. com that Joe O. passed a poly, but I do not remember the date on the article. I need to go back and search all of the articles. Last night on JVM G.Hollar says Joe took a poly and failed like the rest of them. She reads our blogs and we were trying to research that info a couple of weeks ago.
In Mistys new version she does not implicate that Tommy was there. G.Hollar put him in it last night by saying he was there earlier and then came, probably to help dump the body. Then she goes on too say I told them I would go spend a week in jail with Misty and get it out of her. I thought she already did! G.Hollar said Misty said this is what happened!
Misty knows what happened and she is just making it worse for herself with all of these lies.
Cate you made a good point. Misty was cleaning up the scene including making the beds. Where was Jr. when she was doing all of this? On the TES website it says that LE confirmed Rons story that he told TM that the beds were made when he got home. Why did Ron marry Misty and continue to defend her after all of the test in August of 2009.
In Sept 2009 in the jail house letter of Nay Nays( Christina Prevatt) It is stated that WBG put Haleigh in a black garbage bag and threw her in the L pond. Now Misty is saying it was Joe Overstreet that put Haleigh in a black bag and threw her in the river.
Since July 2009 it has been rumored that Haleigh OD and was disposed of. Twice in a black bag by two different people. Now it is because she was a substitute for a gun. In all of the lies we have heard the only things consistent is that Haleigh is deceased and she was put in a black bag and disposed of like garbage.jmo
that story says , that they more or less didnt fight him in any way, at all, they just LET HIM take Haleigh, and didnt TRY to SAVE HER, they would be JUST AS GUILTY AS JOE, if they acted that way, and didnt tell the true story immediately,
The thing with Misty, imo, is if she did something to Haleigh she would not have been able to “handle” it herself. She had no car, few friends. She relied on her family. If she had TC help her, he would have ratted her out, gotten a deal for illegally disposing of a body (or something to that effect). So for me that wipes out that Misty did it and TC helped.
Now if Misty knew (for certain, as in witnessed) TC harming Haleigh, Misty would have ratted him out long ago, testified against him, and gotten her drug charges either tossed out or YO sentencing. So to me that says Misty does not for sure know who did it.
If TC knew Misty did something to Haleigh he definitely would have given her up, so either he does not know anything (made up the whole story to help his legal problems) OR he harmed Haleigh himself, without Misty knowing.
Still possible that neither of they don’t know anything, made up the entire story to help themselves out in their legal problems, and Haleigh is out there alive somewhere, with nobody in LE looking for her, and the public being convinced by LE that Haleigh is dead and the perps are locked up in jail for years and years.
I like that theory and it is very plausible still. BUT if that is the case, to whoever is holding Haleigh, you will be found out. Haleigh will be found, if not today, then maybe tomorrow. If it takes 20 years, you will be caught and Haleigh will be set free, you can bet your bottom dollar on that.
LFJ – Bingo….in every lie there is a bit of truth. The things that remain consistant throughout each far fetched tale are probably the things that really did occur. I still can’t explain Ron’s behavior, him marrying Misty, etc., but I’m really looking at Misty and TC for this crime.
Maybe Misty was really tired, couldn’t get Haleigh to settle down so tried to drug her, she got choked, had an attack and died….then TC and perhaps even Joe came to dispose of the body and help stage the house. Who knows. But I think the black bag, the van and the key players are all accurate as well as Haleigh being placed in water.
IMO I do think that Joe knows what happened, but I believe he told the police all he knows. The police have statedthat he has been cooperative with them, and I believe that he has told them what he saw that night, and they need evidence to back it up, or atleat 1 other person to collaberate his story.
If you have time go to Peter Hyatt’s site and read his analysis of Joe Overstreet.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/07/joe-overstreet-knows-what-happened.html
I can believe the Joe story if you take Joe out and put in a drug dealer that Ron messed with. Just saying it would explain Rons behavior. jmo
JB, NOW I could believe that theory. I just think if it was Tommy who helped dispose he would have told on Misty. Misty has pointed out Tommy on too many things. Timmy is another story. When LE went to Mass to question Timmy and Chelsea Misty came out publicly in his defense there is an article on that in the BNN archives. Misty said he did not have anything to do with this. Timmy is the that was in possession of the van. They could of stopped and picked up Tommy and Joe could of very well been there to.
Misty said she put Haleigh to bed at 8pm. What if she did give her something to make her sleep and Jr. as well and Haleigh died. Misty and Ron allegedly had a fight on the phone @ 8:30pm and 30 minutes later Ron called Tommy looking for Misty. I think it is about this time when things went hay wire and something happened to Haleigh. This would allow enough time to get everything cleaned up and disposed of by the time the 911 call was made @ 3:27am.jmo
He may have forced Tommy into getting him inside the MH and he could have had his face covered. Misty and Tommy staged the MH, when Ron got there they told him what happened, thats why he said they stole Haleigh, And why he first thought they may return her. jmo
You know Tobias I was wondering if that ww2 gun was stolen? It has yet to surface. Perhaps it belonged to a drug dealer and there is some truth to the rumor mill with the 2 ounces of cocaine( $14,000) and money . It may have included this gun. I could see that retaliation!jmo
I just don’t see jo as an innocent little boy in all this. Innocent little boys don’t play with,or steal guns. Something isn’t right about this jo had nothig to do with it story. jmo
I agree with LFJ at 10:32. I really believe if it was Tommy Misty would have told already. Wasnt it as soon as they got arrested she ratted on him for a B&E? I feel Timmy had something to do with this. Thats why he got outta dodge asap. Chelsea is too defensive for someone who has not had a hand in this ordeal. IMO. Tommy and Joe were there I believe, but were bystandards to the disposal. I think that Haleigh died when just Misty was with her, and Timmy,Tommy and joe came to help her dispose of Haleigh. But who know what happened. I just hope some day we will find out.
tobias said,in August 18th, 2010 at 10:31 am I can believe the Joe story if you take Joe out and put in a drug dealer that Ron messed with. Just saying it would explain Rons behavior. jmo
That is one thing I am thinking, too. I also am wondering if Timmy wasn’t involved somehow.
I just hope that eventually we find out what really happened to that sweet little innocent Haleigh.
If timmy was involved, that may be why he was so free with his tax money. to keep their silence. who know? we sure don’t.
I just don’t think TC would go to prison for 15 years for anybody except himself. He would have ratted on any of them, including his family, if it meant him getting a deal and staying out of prison.
If TC was there only as a witness to the disposal of a body, that charge would be nothing in comparison to what he is facing now.
Either TC did this on his own, or he made up the entire story to get out of jail. After all he told about going to the MH and it being dark and nobody answering the door, and LE rewarded him for that story by lowering his bond, which got him out of jail.
I don’t believe this story or any of the other gruesome ones that have been spun. I think they are all innocent in Haleigh’s disappearance. Misty and Tommy are only guilty (besides drug trafficking) of not giving LE what they want–a confession. If any evidence exists then LE would have arrested/charged/indicted someone. That van was released after being analyzed–that leads me to believe there was no evidence found there. LE would have never released it otherwise if it was used in a crime. JMO
The only two people Misty has defended is Ron and Timmy. Misty loves them both deeply. Chelsea I believe can tell what really happened. It was Chelsea that told G.Hollar the location of Shell Harbour. It was Chelsea that first brought Joe Overstreets name in this. Misty would listen to Chelsea.jmo
Ever since Hank and Lisa have been on probation, it has appeared that are in Daytona. I looked it up and that is where the probation is handled, not where they are.
JB said,in August 18th, 2010 at 9:04 am Lynny -I have no idea why they were sent to Daytona. I, like you, must assume it is to keep everyone apart. If that is the case, they may run out of prisons in Florida at the rate this family is going! LOL
Yeah, there are still a lot of different possibilities but I think they all may have had some bit part in this and that is why they remain silent. It could have been Ron’s drugs or another drug dealer and that would explain his silence. But Misty had no problem throwing Tommy under the bus; why would she hesitate to throw Timmy under the bus…unless she was as much to blame for what happened as he was. I think THAT is why these people are staying quiet…because they ALL played a role to some degree. That is why Ron tested Misty’s love…because it was his drugs or drug dealing that started the ball rolling. Misty, Tommy, Timmy and maybe even Joe were either directly responsible for her death or helped cover up the crime so they are staying quiet. Them pointing the finger and trying to pin it on Joe is no big deal to them because they know he won’t tell the truth because he was in on it too. They may very well take the truth to their graves!
Robin – if Haleigh OD’d (or was killed some other way) and was put in a trash bag and then placed in the van there would probably be no “evidence” in the van. Haleigh had been in that van many times so any hair or DNA in the van could eaisly be explained. Any body fluids would have been contained in the trash bags for the short trip to the dumping ground. Unlike Casey Anthony who drove around for days with her dead child in the trunk, Haleigh would have only been in the van for a short period of time.
Jules – Oh… 😳 …LOL….well, I wonder where they will end up. At first I thought they had cut Lisa loose but I guess that isn’t the case. Curious to see what kind of time these two are looking at and where they end up!
JB–I understand what you are saying, but take a look at these people. Believe me what I am fixing to say is not intended as a joke, but does these people look like they buy good high quality trash bags–Hell, do they even look like they buy trash bags (considering they do not buy detergent)? Try putting a child in a trash bag and see if the trash bag does not tear. That would be a hard task and when there is a tear in the bag there is leakage of bodily fluids. I cannot fathom these uneducated, inept people getting away with killing a child–accidental or not–and leaving NO evidence. That boggles my mind. JMO
Robin – we don’t even know if the black bag thing is true. They could have rolled her in plastic, a cloth bag, a plastic bag, blankets, who knows. But if Haleigh died in the bed from let’s say an overdose….then the bedding that Misty “washed” with no detergent would be the ones that were soiled. If Haleigh had no injuries there wouldn’t be anything in the van to raise any red flags to LE because there would be no fluids torn bag or not. There could be some of Haleigh’s hair, her saliva and even blood in the van from a srape or cut that could be explained away. So it is not beyond the realm of possibilities for Haleigh to be taken out of the house, put in the van and then disposed of. It isn’t the only possibility but I truly believe it is A possibility! 🙂
He means her body! He wants to bring her home to be buried. Like every child deserves. but it isn’t gonna happen. Misty did this.
Crime was not new to any of these players. They’ve broken into houses, robbed, dealt in drugs, etc. No telling how many other crimes they’ve either witnessed or been involved in that they were never caught for. They may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer but they are street wise.
April – that is how I took it too. “Bringing Haleigh Home” doesn’t necessarily mean alive. It is a sensitive and caring way for LE to say recover her body and allow her family to bury her…IMO.
Misty said she heard her scream as they put her in the bag so she was allegedly alive while in the bag. While Misty and Jr were under the covers. This is a lie Jr would not have stayed there while his big sister was hurt. Little brothers are very protective. He weould be screaming. Ask him what happened
I just don’t believe LE would have released that van if they truly believed that it was used to transport a body. Yes, I believe that evidence could clearly be explained away since Haleigh probably rode in the van regularly, but I believe that van would have been kept as “evidence” in an ongoing investigation, or until someone was charged or indicted. This case is so bizarre, that who can tell what LE would or wouldn’t do at this point. JMO
Robin, Ron worked for Katrinas Lanscaping service. I see Ron bringing some of their industrial garbage bags home to use instead of going out and buying them from a store. They are quite large and stronger than your everyday garbage bag and they are usually black or like a forest green in color.jmo
But then again they did release the alleged crime scene, the MH, after analyzing it so it is not far stretch to release the van. These people are not the richest and could not run out and buy another mode of transportation while the van was being kept, so I can see the reasoning of releasing the van back to them.
Basically, if Haleigh OD’d they could explain away ANYTHING that was found in the house or in the van. Kids soil themselves. So any fecal matter, urine, saliva, vomit, etc., could EASILY be explained away just by the mere fact that children lived in that house.
Same thing with the van. Haleigh had been in that van TONS of times….so if there was saliva, vomit, urine, fecal matter, or even blood in the van that belonged to Haleigh, it could be easily explained away as “she had an accident”. It would be low end circumstantial evidence at best. LE needs a “murder weapon”, an eye witness, a crime scene, a body, etc. and it doesn’t appear they have any of that.
I don’t think Haleigh died in a hail of gunfire or by stabbing obviously. There wasn’t a messy crime scene for LE….probably just circumstantial things that could be easily explained away. It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to cover up a death by overdose, especially with a child.
Disposing of a body isn’t that difficult either. Obviously people do it every day and the bodies aren’t found for years if ever.
But these people have been stupid by changing their stories because THAT has been their downfall. They couldn’t keep the story straight and some of things they’ve said have been disproven by LE. So now they are squirming because they know LE knows. But as long as they stay quiet, LE doesn’t have enough to charge them….IF they can all stay quiet. It isn’t a “perfect crime”. There is no such thing. They’ve just gotten very lucky so far. But tic toc, time is on the side of LE….
Looking for justice–That makes sense.
In order for LE to be able to hold the van for evidence thay would have to find the evidence for proof that the vehicle was used in the said crime.jmo
April, I agree that Jr would have tried to help HaLeigh. It is just too hard for me to believe that HaLeigh was screaming and Jr didn’t hear her.
You are right JB time is on LEs side. Prison is nothing like the county jail they are in. It is much more rough. Just the suspicion of an inmate that they may have something to do with Haleighs demise will be dangerous for them in prison. I wonder if they have thought about this?
lfj, That makes a lot of sense to me too. Why would Ronald spend money on bags if he could get them for free? More money for drugs.
I just can’t imagine Ronald or Misty having a gym bag handy but it could have been a duffel type black bag. But I really think HaLeigh was not screaming when she was taken out of the house, if that is what happened.
I am thinking that the black bag story has some truth to it, but it was an accidental OD like in the letter from the jailhouse.
Thats why Misty will never get the YO she and her lawyer hope for. Misty will do the 25 at least. She has not told the truth. Look what happened to Tommy and he told that story too. jmo
I would really like to know where Jr. was through everything that went on in that home. If Haleigh were to have OD he could have been asleep, but where? The beds were made.Anything other than that would have been loud enough for him too hear and wake to observe.
I agree that bringing HaLeigh home means to put her body to rest. I hope not, but the reoccuring black bag story has me worried.
Jr. was not even heard on the 911 tape.
Jr could have been given something to make him sleep and he didn’t hear anything. HaLeigh could have been given the same thing, but due to her health issues didn’t survive.
Yes, Jules that is what I was thinking.
It does seem strange that Jr is not heard on the 911 call. I listened to call on various websites and never heard him.
It does seem strange that Jr is not heard on the 911 call. I listened to the call on various websites and never heard him.
Kids solve crimes google the Bobby Cutts story, a 2 year old solved that murder. jmo
Sheriff’s deputies began the investigation including little two year old Blake who said, “Mommy was crying. Mommy broke the table. Mommy’s in rug.” They also talked to the Davis and Cutts families and Kelly Cutts, Bobby Cutts’ estranged wife. The sheriff’s deputies searched the area and the Davis’ home. They also searched the Plain Township home of Bobby Cutts.
Just a snip of what was reported. jmo
Tobias, you are right. Jr. was 3, but closer to being 4 when Haleigh disappeared iirc. I wonder if someone came and picked him up and then brought him back later. Just a thought.
This 2 year old was left alone for several hours in the apartment until a Aunt showed up because his mother didnt answer the phone. He was still in diapers. jmo
Perhaps the children were actually in a different room originally. Haleighs bed may have been moved into the master bedroom after the fact. Just a thought.
Karri said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Blink on Crime is reporting that her sources have told her that Joe O. was given a poly early on in the case, and passed.
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I heard that 17-18 months ago. It must have been a presser because I’ve never found an article about it but I do remember it being said he passed his LDT.
I agree with Simon, I also believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, and Little Green Men from outer Space.. At least these are far more reliable elements to believe in.. and the tales have been told by Millions of people over the last 100 years..
Why in this world would Fields make such a blunder?? Totally out of his character.. And had Misty told this story and was believed by PCSO.. she would have had a plea bargain.. But, she didn’t!!! That in itself tells a tale.
Misty is looking at hard time, and you can tell by the expression on her face, she has totally given up.. Terrified of what to come..
Then of course PCSO put out a statement, knocking Fields around a bit.. How sensitive this info is.. and then as Simon speaks of Zingers.. They threw us a bone..
(Lt. Johnny Greenwood, of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, said Tuesday. “We don’t know if the break in Haleigh’s disappearance will come from behind bars or from the public.”
“Everyone is considered a person of interest in Haleigh’s disappearance except Crystal Sheffield and Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s parents,” he added.)
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24658375/detail.html
Now, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I not how things are stated, and what is left off of a statement.. person of Interest versus Suspect.. two different things people..
You may be a person of interest but not a suspect, yet you could well be a suspect taking the one step up from a person of interest. Note: Everyone is considered a person of interest.. Well, who does this everyone include?? This was a good size bone he threw.. and something for all to stop and think about… Does, the elements, Fields comment and Greenwood’s comment have anything in common?? hmmmm.. Every action has a reaction. And yet, it is possible that a reaction, needs an Action.. to become a reaction..
I am the only one that finds it strange that Misty woke up to find Haleigh missing at the same time Ron was due home from ‘work’? Plus she didn’t make the 911 call until Ron came in the trailer. They all know what happened and they are are involved. JMO
Plus the fact when Jr was interviewed all he said was a man in black on the bouncy couch. I would think he if heard his siter screaming, he would have said so. Somtimes children even cry when their siblings are hurt or screaming.
Vaq, I remember seeing it on misty croslin. com. Heck even if I found it couldn’t move even a snippet over here because I cannot do it. If I do find it again. I will put the location and perhaps you can bring a snippet over.
Who else could of been JO in M’s story? Is it possible something happened that night similar to what she describes but she doesn’t know the person(s) and she was convinced if she told the police that someone else would be harmed?
Maybe Fields spoke yesterday to get a message to Ron before his plea deal?
Mistys lawyer did her no favors with that story. If its true Misty is one cold hearted Biotch. She lied, married and slept with Haleighs father, sat and watched everyone in those families suffer. Watched the distruction of her own family. Blamed the maternal side.
Cobra is right this is like demon possession just plain EVIL. And even if its a lie its still EVIL. JMO
Jb @11:56
Agreed. Excellent points, imo.
Hope, The police clearly state that neither Ron or the mother Crystal are suspects. They stated that as late as yesterday. Obviously his aliby is a solid one, and he was not involved until after the fact, if at all. IMO
Until we have the real story we dont know what events may have been put into motion by someones actions before Haleigh went missing so I will Pass on the statement that some are cleared because of an alibi. Ron and Crystal are cleared as suspects (as of now LE can lie for whatever reason they wish) jmo
Tobias – I agree.
Jan, this is from the Palatka newspaper whose article disappear which is what I am copying the whole thing..
Attorney: Haleigh was carried away in a bag
By Kristin Chambers
Published: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 AM EDT
ST. AUGUSTINE – Misty Croslin hid beneath a sheet holding onto Haleigh’s younger brother as she listened to the now 7-year-old missing girl being attacked before she disappeared, her attorney said Tuesday.
Attorney Robert Fields said Croslin’s cousin, Joe Overstreet, showed up at the Satsuma trailer looking for a gun that belonged to Haleigh’s father. When he couldn’t find it, he took Haleigh instead.
“The gun wasn’t there so he basically went towards Misty and may have wrestled with her and then he turned and grabbed Haleigh,” Fields said. “At that point, Misty hid under the covers with Junior, Joe did something for a few minutes and Misty didn’t hear Haleigh make any more noises, and she saw Joe take Haleigh out of the house in a black bag.”
She then listened as a van door opened and closed outside, with Haleigh never to be seen again.
“She did say it appeared he was under the influence,” Fields said.
Fields offered this scenario to reporters after Misty Croslin pleased no contest Tuesday to drug trafficking charges in St. Johns County.
Croslin’s family has said Overstreet was at the Satsuma mobile home the night Haleigh disappeared in February 2009. He was arrested on drug charges last week in Tennessee, but he has never been charged or named as a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance.
His attorney, Shawn P. Sirgo of Nashville, Tenn., said Overstreet had nothing to do with the child’s disappearance and dismissed Croslin’s account.
“I don’t believe anything she said,” he said.
Fields said 18-year-old Croslin described the events to investigators following her drug arrest for trafficking in hydrocodone in January. He said her brother, Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr., 24, has told investigators a similar story.
Tuesday morning, Croslin pleaded no contest to one remaining drug trafficking charge in St. Johns County, for which she will receive a minimum of 25 years.
The charge originated from a deal made with undercover officers on Jan. 8 at the Flying J in north St. Augustine, in which Croslin was said to have sold 155 oxycodone pills worth $800.
She pleaded no contest to seven other drug trafficking charges in Putnam County on Monday, which she faces up to 240 years.
Croslin will be sentenced in both St. Johns and Putnam counties in October.
Others arrested in the month-long undercover investigation in January include her brother, Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, 26, his cousin, Hope Sykes, 18, and a former Equusearch volunteer, Donna Brock.
A pre-sentence investigation has been ordered for Croslin, and Fields is preparing a push to have sentenced as a youthful offender.
In response to Fields’ comments on Tuesday morning, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said the department would not release any information about the case.
“The Haleigh Cummings investigation is far too important to be jeopardized by releasing this type of sensitive information,” Lt. Johnny Greenwood said.
Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, was present for Croslin’s hearing in St. Augustine.
“I just wanted her to see my face,” Sheffield told the Daily News afterward. “I wanted her to look me in my eyes and see how I hurt because I don’t have my baby.”
Sheffield said that it was Croslin’s fault that Haleigh was missing.
“I think she should rot in jail,” Sheffield said.
As she wept for Haleigh outside the courthouse, Sheffield said she was upset that other members of the family were acting as if they had a deep connection with her daughter.
“They don’t have the connection like I have. I carried her for nine months and gave birth to her – not them,” Sheffield said.
Marie Griffis, Haleigh’s maternal grandmother, said it was time for others to come forward with information.
“There’s a lot of people in jail that knows what happened to Haleigh, but there’s also a lot of people that know elsewhere that is not in jail, and they need to come forward,” Griffis said. “They need to close this case so we can find our baby.”
Authorities have declared the Haleigh case a homicide investigation, but the child’s relatives say they continue to hope she will be found alive.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
kchambers@palatkadailynews.com
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/08/18/news/news01.txt
Now Misty wrestled with Joe.. 👿
I know there are alot of Flo haters here, but last night she did say that JOE failed his LDT……
She also said the story is the truth but later said if she had a week with Misty she would get the truth out of her. Well which is it? jmo
We know Joe took a LDT but no way would the LE or FBI release the results. But if he failed I would bet my last dollar Joe would be in jail just like all the others. jmo
Vaq – don’t you love how it all changes….one minute she was raped by Joe, then she had a knife held to her throat, then TC was threatened, then no mention of TC, then she wrestled with Joe, then she didn’t, then she was under the covers with Jr but Jr doesn’t mention ANY of this to his mom or LE (that we know of), then she knows nothing, then she thinks Crystal’s side of the family did it, then Joe did it…again, then TC and Joe did it, then they grabbed cement blocks and rope from the house and weighted her down, then they put her in a black bag, then back to that isn’t what happened, I don’t know anything back to Joe did it. UGH!
As far as Flo goes…..I’ve seen other reports that Joe passed his poly but generally LE doesn’t publish that stuff….they keep that info pretty close to the vest. But they don’t seem to be looking at Joe which makes me think he may have been cleared. It seems to be TC and Misty that are being focused on and LE has to have a reason for that. Hopefully it isn’t just their ever-changing stories. PLEASE let LE have more than that! 😯
Flo meant IF she could get a week in that cell with Misty, she WOULD get the truth out of Misty…
I actually think she could….. cause Misty would have NO where to run
ilove – if Misty is somehow responsible for Haleigh’s death and she knows that if she tells she’ll do even MORE time I don’t think anyone will get her to talk but God himself. I don’t see Misty as this helpless, brow-beaten teen. She is street smart and just like Casey Anthony, I think she will continue to fabricate stories and take the truth to the grave unless LE can slap some evidence down in front of her (like Haleigh’s bones) or someone else breaks and gives LE the evidence to back it up. Otherwise it is just her word against theirs. I don’t think Flo or anyone else will get her to talk. Her mom and dad got nowhere with her. These seasoned officers and detectives (including FBI) got nowhere with her. She’s not this little feable, passive, whimp of a teenager some think she is! I think she’s tough as nails and lacks emotion (aka PSYCHOPATH).
ilovetheshowmadmen said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
I know there are alot of Flo haters here, but last night she did say that JOE failed his LDT……
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I wonder which Croslin told her that?
JB ITA I believe she feels trapped now and is shifting blame to anyone she can. I would not be surprised if she has more anger than tears when she is sentenced. jmo
JB said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
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I bet at sentencing we will hear a whole new story of what happened.
She could tell the truth right now and without evidence no one will believe her. She has sealed her own fate with all the lies. jmo
Gramma Flo the outstanding matriarch of this delusional, drug addled, dysfunctional dynasty. I have to give her credit, she certainly taught them all very well in how to uphold and continue the family tradition of no morals, self serving, irresponsible and destructive behaviour. Personally, I doubt any in this unfortunate clan would know the truth if it hit them in the face.
Now Gramma is back to the JO version, vs the baby was hit in the back of the head, HaLeigh od’d on one of Ronald’s pill…. I think she is pretty flexible and will follow the lie, I mean path, she thinks will take her to the 30K reward.
In my opinion, I find her attitude, obvious drug induced interviews, beyond appalling.
Vaq, I believe it will be 3 hours of the horrible life she has had. I doubt if it will work but its all Fields has. jmo
Vaq – probably will hear another story and a different version of the same story….this time it will be Tommy was wearing a black trash bag, she was under the covers with Joe and Jr carried Haleigh out of the house and drove off in the van…thus the scratch! LOL – sorry, I know this isn’t a funny situation but DANG, this girl’s stories get more twisted every time she tells them.
Tobias – yes, Misty’s credibility is in the toilet but I still say the reason she’s telling all the stories is because the truth will get her another 30 years to life!
JNet – ROFLMAO – boy, you nailed it! You don’t say “I KNOW THE TRUTH” and then say “Joe dun it” or “Misty hit the baby in da’ head wit sumpun” or “the baby od’d” or “they throwed dat’ baby in da’ water and I don’t know if she be alive or dead when she hit dat’ water”…”Yup, that’s how it happened”. 🙄 That isn’t KNOWING the truth! So that is when you keep your trap shut until you DO know the truth. She’s just muddling up the case for LE with all her stories!
JB, She has hopes of getting the 6 year YO and she knows they will still be after her for the Haleigh case so she is trying to get LE to believe her lies. If she wants the YO SHE BETTER START TELLING THE TRUTH FOR ONCE. JMO
JB, Have you been to Lindsy myspace LATELY? Its not private now and alot of Joes relatives have been chatting with her since way back, also a few Cummings (by marriage). jmo
Tobias – she had a better shot at telling the truth before she plead out. She could have gotten a sweet deal if she’d come clean before. But now LE is fed up with her, has wasted time, money and resources on chasing her lies. Can’t blame her if they drop the hammer on her! She’ll be getting what she deserves. TC too! He’s right where he belongs because I’m still thinking he is as big a part of this as Misty is! We KNOW he can’t pass a poly! We KNOW his story has changed just like Misty’s has. He wasn’t there, he was there and left, he was there and saw what JOE did, blah, blah, blah. So which is it Tommy?
Tobias – naw…never been to Lindsey’s Myspace. She’s another one I have no use for. She uses people and that is obvious. She allowed Tommy to be messed up around the kids, she knew he was burglarizing homes, she probably even did the drugs with him not to mention how she treated his dog (animal abuse!). She used LP. She’s still using her grandparents. She’s no better than the rest of them in my book!
Fields said “may have wrestled”, so maybe not.
vaquera said,in August 18th, 2010 at 1:30 pm Now Misty wrestled with Joe..
JNet said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
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I totally agree..
Are we ever going to get to hear anymore phone calls/videos since the April ones?
Jules – I think the point is there have been so many versions of this story that it is almost comical. Either she wrestled with Joe or not. Why would she tell her atty and then he repeat “I may have wrestled with Joe”? LOL
And another fact is IF someday Misty is charged with the crime, it is going to be REALLY tough to explain all the different stories, especially when repeated by your atty. If she’s going to tell a story, at least tell the same story and quit adding, changing and removing details. It is pathetic!
Jean – don’t know….it sure has been a long dry spell and I’d STILL like to know why we don’t hear/see anything about Ron’s calls.
Thats the sure way to see its one of Mistys lies, ALL THE INCONSISTANCIES. jmo
JB I know what the point is. I was just pointing out that she may or may not have wrestled with Joe. She can’t remember which?
Misty has told as many lies as Casey Anthony and no matter what either of them say no one will believe a word of it.
I believe Simon was told Rons calls were boring so they only listen but dont tape them, I think thats what they said. jmo
Ronald was probably just talking about his underwear.
Wonder what his and TN-AS think about this latest rendition of Joe took Haleigh story?
jmo
What I don’t get is where was Ron’s anger when Misty first pointed the finger at Joe? And where was his anger when LE pulled him and Crystal in to say they believe Haleigh was dead? And HOW in the HE77 could he talk about alligators eating his child without batting an eye? I don’t get his behavior at all!
Jules – LOL – yeah, Ron and his dirty boxers! Ugh!
tobias said,in August 18th, 2010 at 3:13 pm Wonder what his and TN-AS think about this latest rendition of Joe took Haleigh story?
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Read article called, “Haleigh’s Grandma Says Misty Is Lying” on wftv.com
Hello M2C and thank you for that update. I’m with them….I believe it is all a lie with perhaps some truth spinkled around here and there.
tobias, news4jax has an interview with Teresa this morning, article and video
jean said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Are we ever going to get to hear anymore phone calls/videos since the April ones?
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probably not because the press is apparently not interested in them and for one news agency to want them is very, very expensive to get.
Isn’t the story that Fields told the same story that Misty recanted when she was talking to her dad where she said the girls in jail told her that and she doesn’t know what’s real or not anymore because so many people have told her so many things? Something to that effect.
the pcso made a statement saying they where upset at fields statements..also that piece about greenwood was a old snippet from the beginning of the case.he didnt speak with media and theres no author they worked with family on this..mc and tcs stories are made up as is flos.all lies i dont want a father to be guilty of doing this to a child but i see it as hes guilty and all other members of her family are guilty until proven other wise from the beginning pcso has looked at the wrong people..and its not mc and tc imo still scapegoats imo and theres someone there afraid of and its not jo..did anyone hear the reporters report on rc out looking for a threesome 3 weeks after hc went missing..that was a strange report makes you go say what..
Whylie, Thats what we all heard her say on tape. Tommy also recanted his story. Just why Fields is still saying that may be because no one but bloggers have heard the tapes (and LE). JMO
I wished the media would have asked him about her tapes recanting this story, they have all the tapes didnt they listen to them? Oh right its not going to be a big media story if they do that.lol jmo
Parts of the tapes were played on NG and perhaps JVM.
I dont remember the tape of Misty saying she sid it was a dream on any show. Could be wrong do you know or remember hearing it on those shows? JVM sHOULD HAVE PLAYED IT ON LAST NIGHTS SHOW, WHY NOT? JMO
Ron goes into court Friday and we still have no word of the plea deal being accepted, are they goiing to wait to announce it on Friday?
I am sure if it was accepted T. Shoemaker would be giving a press release somewhere in the media. jmo
Tobias – yeah, Shoemaker was talking about the plea deal being a DONE deal a long time ago and it fell through. Maybe he’s not counting his chickens before they hatch this time! LOL OR maybe LE isn’t interested anymore. I still don’t know what it is that Ron can offer that would be worth any deal. I say man up and take your punishment and quit the wheelin’ and dealin’.
I don’t remember which ones were on NG and which ones I saw on the internet. Just saying that they could have been.
I don’t usually watch JVM only because it comes on I am usually busy.
The reporters don’t have a lot of time to think up the really good questions when something like this is sprung on them. I bet they sit around going “I should have asked…” a lot.
The deal before was based on Misty and Tommy since they said Ron wouldn’t be sentenced until after Tommy and Misty’s mess was over with. Now that they both plead out on their cases and aren’t taking it to trial you would hope they’d tell Ron to forget any deal….he’s no longer needed. LOL
I’m going to be out of town on Friday and over the weekend so won’t get to keep up with what goes on with Ron, DANG IT! LOL I’ll have to catch up on Monday!
So if he is no longer needed he could get 25 at least?
Thats what Hope said Ron told her that he was offered in the beginning. She was in the car with him coming back from court. jmo
Jules – perhaps more. The prior deal that Shoemaker was talking about would still sentence Ron to 25 years but they wouldn’t sentence him until after he testified against Misty and the rest of the crew. Now that everyone has please no contest and aren’t going to trial, there is no testimony needed. I guess they could bring him in to testify at Misty’s hearing but it really isn’t necessary unless LE wants to really push for her not to get the YO program. Ron really has nothing to offer….he could get more than 25 years….who knows. Since Tommy got 15 and Ron has more charges…..I would venture to guess Ron won’t get less than 25. But time will tell. I think all of Ron’s carry a mandatory minimum of at least 25. The question is whether they run them consecutively or concurrently. I would say they’ll go concurrently.
The only way Ron could have gotten LESS than 25 is if they reduced his charges. The current charges have a mandatory minimum of at least 25.
Friday may be very informative as far as what the SA is willing to give Ron or not give him. I also wonder why Lisa and Hank were moved to Daytona jail for their POV? It appears Putnam county is free of Croslins now. jmo
Of course, if LE sees him as not being involved with Haleigh’s disappearance, think he’s been cooperative, and see him as a grieving father, they may cut him some slack. I don’t see him as being as big a target as Misty and Tommy.
The way I see it LE in their hearts believe Misty and Tommy are responsible for Haleigh’s death. They may not be able to prove it and put them behind bars for it…but they can nail them to the wall HARD for the drugs and get some sense of justice for Haleigh. THEN, if down the road they get the evidence they need, they can nail them again. It’s a win win situation for LE.
Tobias – Putnam Co is probably doing some serious happy dances right now…being free of Croslins and all! LOL
sotrue said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
the pcso made a statement saying they where upset at fields statements..also that piece about greenwood was a old snippet from the beginning of the case.he didnt speak with media and theres no author they worked with family on this..mc and tcs stories are made up as is flos.all lies i dont want a father to be guilty of doing this to a child but i see it as hes guilty and all other members of her family are guilty until proven other wise from the beginning pcso has looked at the wrong people..and its not mc and tc imo still scapegoats imo and theres someone there afraid of and its not jo..did anyone hear the reporters report on rc out looking for a threesome 3 weeks after hc went missing..that was a strange report makes you go say what..
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Oh, please they didn’t drag up an old statement with Greenwood saying that because that is the first time he said it. Others at PCSO have said it in the past, yesterday Greenwood said it. Plus, I doubt very seriously they would drag some old comment and try to act like it’s new..
If you would look at all the news articles on news4jax none of them have an ‘author’. I’ve looked about a 6 or so and none of them have an ‘author’
I can’t seem to shake the feeling that one of these days we’re going to get the report that TC has killed himself. That thought just keeps popping into my head. It gives me no satisfaction to say that nor would it give me any if it happened. I just want to know the truth. Maybe it is my fear that the truth will never be told that causes the thought but it sure is a strange feeling I get when it pops into my head.
sotrue @ 4:02 pm “…but i see it as hes guilty and all other members of her family are guilty..”
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The answer is an eye doctor and prescription glasses.
Really. It takes a bigger imagination than M or T has (and a “wish it was so” attitude) to come up with that. But not surprising.
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I am interested in LE’s statement that they don’t consider CS or R as suspects. I can kind of understand R – with the job. But what is LE basing that idea on as far as CS is concerned? I have never heard of an alibi for her. Never. Gosh knows it wasn’t work. So did LE just base it on the LDT? And please remember that I never thought CS actually participated or even knew about it but I am wondering how LE could seem to “clear” her. Hope they’re not basing it on Chad’s “word.”
I read over at IS that someone posted that Shoemaker said Ron has his deal and will testify Friday if needed. Has anyone heard/seen that today??
Sorry not testify Friday, I meant at Misty’s sentencing.
crap nevermind, that’s what I get for reading bottom to top
Vaq – lol.
m2c – well, they may have other witnesses, phone records or other information that shows Crystal’s whereabouts but notice LE did NOT clear the rest of her family. Just Ron and Crystal.
if rc doesnt get more time than than all the rest of them get with his priors theres going to be big time trouble coming to some people who think there the big shots down there mark my word on this one..rc has lied and hindered all the way and nos what happened hes been the most silent one threw this whole process along with taking up for all of them jo included.some people are going to be in for a rude awakening..if they would hurry up and get the right people in there this would be over with..get ready for the flush its coming
JB @ 4:46 pm
You said, “The way I see it LE in their hearts believe Misty and Tommy are responsible for Haleigh’s death. They may not be able to prove it and put them behind bars for it…but they can nail them to the wall HARD for the drugs and get some sense of justice for Haleigh. THEN, if down the road they get the evidence they need, they can nail them again. It’s a win win situation for LE.”
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Not to me. That is not justice. Not by a long shot. How many cases have we mentioned here where LE “knew” a certain person was guilty and they were proven flat out WRONG???? It happens more than we probably know.
So if the motivation for giving these people the harshest possible sentence for the drug charges, is what LE “thinks” about their involvement with Haleigh – it’s a travesty of justice.
But that’s what this whole entire case has been since Day 1 and I am not surprised at all to see where it is now.
Poor Haleigh.
JB I have the same feeling about Tommy. He just looks too bad to last 15 years in prison. I think he is dying inside from guilt and losing Lindsy and his family.
I would not be surprised to hear that he
commited suicide. Like you said, it would not give me any satisfaction but I just have a bad feeling that he will take his life and the truth to his grave with him.
nevermind the nevermind ya’ll weren’t discussing that his deal was done and he would testify at Misty’s hearing in Oct…so has anyone else heard that today??
JB @ 4:58 – One can only hope that LE has something that resembles proof re CS’s alibi. But I have little faith.
I just wanted to point out that we know nothing whatsoever about what that might be and yet people have been carrying on for over a year over someone who actually does have something resembling an alibi. Don’t know if either is true – for CS or R – just pointing out the imbalance.
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sotrue, it would be fine with me if the whole county was flushed. It’s been twirling the bowl for well over a year now.
Never heard that anywhere. And she plead out why would they need his testimony? Ron was supposed to tell about the past 18 months, whats he gonna say she lied the whole 18 months well duh. jmo
Here is my opinion Misty did it Tommy and maybe helped cover it up that statement about haleigh getting eaten by gators attributed to ron came from Joe or Tommy one of them two allegedly said he said that while they were at the river together. Which is BS because I cannot see either of them hanging with Ron! can you all?
IF Misty didn’t harm HaLeigh and she was just too drugged up to remember anything and has made up stories to keep LE and everyone else happy and then we learn that it was a stranger abduction I will feel bad that she wasn’t given the YO sentence.
True, she is messed up, uneducated and lies like Casey Anthony, but we don’t know how much pressure had been put on her to come up with something. She was 17 when HaLeigh went missing and barely 18 when she was arrested. IF she didn’t harm HaLeigh I would hate to see her serving 15 years with hardened criminals without being given a chance to be rehabilitated.
I am not making excuses, but she was caught up with Ronald, Donna, etc. and wanted to play with the big dogs. Due to her parents being drug users I just feel like maybe IF she didn’t harm HaLeigh she should be treated like any other teenager caught buying/selling pills.
Jules and JB, what would be sad – in addition to the suicide itself – is people assuming that any “truth” died with him. That may well be what certain people would like for us to believe.
Whether those people are a couple of SOs up in Alaskd right now who we never heard of before or people a lot closer to home.
Not knowing is not knowing. Everything else is Assumption.
Haleigh deserves better than that.
I also realize she was caught in 2 counties, but had she been arrested the first time she bought/sold to UC that would not be the case.
IMO had she not been tied to the HaLeigh case she would not have had 8 charges. I can’t see LE wasting so much time arresting a teenager if they hadn’t been trying to squeeze the truth out of her. IF the truth is that she didn’t harm HaLeigh it is just so unfair.
Jules, you said, “I just feel like maybe IF she didn’t harm HaLeigh she should be treated like any other teenager caught buying/selling pills.”
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Until we KNOW and there evidence that she harmed Haleigh, then she HAS TO BE treated like any other teenager caught buying/selling pills.
Combining the cases when sentencing without any proof whatsoever is draconian, medieval, unbelievable. LaRue should be forced to burn his robes and spend some time in the town’s stocks for what he seems to have based T’s sentence on.
And, Jules I agree with the rest of your post at 5:17.
m2c, I agree that Tommy may not have the truth to take with him. I was just saying IF he did it would be sad that he didn’t have a chance to make things right for HaLeigh.
I go from thinking Tommy and Misty know something to thinking that they don’t and were squeezed and made to say things to try to get out of 15 years in prison. You hear so many times that LE makes people confess and then they are proven innocent by DNA or someone else confesses. I hope in the case HaLeigh is found alive and well and they are not guilty of anything except the drug charges.
Tommy appears to be really depressed and I would not be surprised if he commits suicide but I would really hate for that to happen and then we find out that all he is guilty of is robbery and drug dealing for which he deserves to be punished. He seemed to be able to comprehend and accept that he deserved prison and admitted that he had done the wrong thing.
Misty sold Tommy out the minute she got to jail on the B&Es if he had anything to do with this dont ya think she would have gave him up just to get out of jail? I do, Misty even wanted bailed before Tommy, she is on tape telling her Dad that. I am starting to believe Misty would squeal on anyone if it meant she would get out. Misty has some involvement and cant do anything but lie. JMO
i feel the same way you do jules tc and mc are scapegoats the pressure from le has kept the truth from coming out..i think i no the truth just a matter of time its sad a family has been condemed for eternity just so le can condem someone..mistys not the key but she may no who the key is..tommys not the key they have no record of child abuse as some do..as long as some are protected in putnam co there will be no justice for hc none what so ever..for goodness sakes misty rat them out now..
Tommy has been moved.
Offender Name: HANK T CROSLIN
Offender ID:V35906
Date of Birth:08/02/1986
Age:24
Custody Status:In Custody
Scheduled Release Date:01/17/2025
Location of Offender:Franklin C.I.
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Ann – Tx said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 5:31 am
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in August 17th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
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Hi, Beautiful*adams!
Thank you for the Link! The balloon release was beautiful. I bet Haleigh would have been so excited to see the balloons float away!
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You are more than welcome, I thought it was a nice turn-out!
It’s a long way from Putnam county and also where Chelsea is.
Franklin Correctional Institution
County: Franklin
Offender Search for this Facility:
Queries may take a long time for facilities with large populations.
* Browse current population
* Browse releases
* Browse escapes (outstanding escape warrants)
Directions: From East Florida & Tallahassee: In Tallahassee, exit I-10 and take US-319 South to US-98. Follow US-98 south to Carrabelle Fl. Turn north on CR-67 and drive two miles. The institution will be located on the right. From Marianna and West Florida: Go East on I-10. Take Exit 142 and turn south on SR-12. Turn south SR-379. Go two miles and turn south on CR-67 and drive 25 miles. The institution will be on the left. From South Florida: Go north on I-75 and exit at Ocala on Exit 354. Take US-27 Alt North to Chiefland. Turn on US-19 North and follow to Perry. Turn west on US-98 and follow to Carrabelle. Turn north on CR-67 and drive two miles. The institution will be located on the right.
Historical Information: This facility was established in 2005 and houses adult male inmates. Bay City Work Camp is under the supervision of Franklin C.I.
Total Staff (on 6/08): 339
I meant Lindsy not Chelsea..duh 😀
As soon as they left with Haleigh Misty would of began phoning people likely family. Those calls I’m sure would of been obtained by LE. She may not of communicated what just transpired in the home at very least she would of asked if anyone seen them or heard from them. This is on the assumption she did not know if the child was alive or not. It’s a lot of work to keep a person alive and captive. Ultimately it leads to the one taken becoming free, it may take a while but it will happen. If the objective is to keep the person alive then there is no other conclusion it will come to. If there is any fluctuation in the objective being to keep her alive and the capture open to killing her then she may not survive. This story Misty is telling does not add up.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Nancy Grace leading story about HaLeigh… right now…!!!
I don’t believe any of these stories–and will not until evidence proves otherwise. I believe these are police coerced tales and one of the leading causes of wrongful convictions today. These people, with their past criminal backgrounds, were easy to manipulate, pressure, and intimidate. Their stories get more bizarre as more details get tacked on. Police can easily provide certain details. Listen to the details..Does any of this sound like something Misty or Tommy would say or come up with? It doesn’t to me and has not a ring of truth to it. They minimized their roles in the crime yet they were there to witness it. I am not buying it at all. JMO
Misty may of been drugged up that night. Maybe thought it was a dream. Went into denial due to the shock of Haleigh being gone. She dissociated for sure, but some of it came through on the LDT. She doesn’t really know for sure, but she suspects different people. Misty is the scapegoat in my opinion.
Tommy kept pleading with Misty after the drug bust to just tell what she knew. I think he knew that she didn’t know all the details and was mixed up from the trauma and the drugs.
robin, ITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cousin Joe obviously had everything to do with Haleigh Cummings coming up missing. I think they’re just gathering evidence at this point. Granny Flo? She must like Cousin Joe the best! LOL.. this is real simple. Misty saw Joe and another man besides Tommy right before Haleigh was gone. Looks like Haleigh was pawned off to Joe’s accomplice.
Maybe they can be cellmates in the end. I still say the unknown guy’s name is David Knox.
Wait and see I guess.
Shaman–Who is David Knox?
What’s with the black bag? How about that this story is coerced by LE and the black bag is to connect it to Caylee and Casey Anthony. So much so that in the first version, HaLeigh, just like Caylee, was put in a black bag in the trunk of a car.
I guess Ron did get his deal with the state.I don’t know how I missed this article yesterday..
“Cummings, 26, will be in court in Putnam County Friday. His attorney said a deal has been reached to drop the two most serious trafficking charges and sentence Cummings on three others.
Attorney Terry Shoemaker said Cummings would testify if asked to in the sentencing hearings against Misty, who he divorced in October, and has talked with investigators about Haleigh’s case.”
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-08-17/story/misty-croslin-attorney-she-heard-haleigh-cummings-being-attacked-she
Shaman said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Cousin Joe obviously had everything to do with Haleigh Cummings coming up missing. I think they’re just gathering evidence at this point. Granny Flo? She must like Cousin Joe the best! LOL.. this is real simple. Misty saw Joe and another man besides Tommy right before Haleigh was gone. Looks like Haleigh was pawned off to Joe’s accomplice.
Maybe they can be cellmates in the end. I still say the unknown guy’s name is David Knox.
Wait and see I guess.
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Is that the trucker? wasn’t he from TX?
sOtrue, at 4:58PM
are u in a position to make that happen if ron isn’t sentenced properly, or do u know folks that areJ?
He was from Texas. I never got that he was a trucker. THAT would make quite a bit of sense.
I believe her new account, by the way. A girl for a machine gun.. WTF..
I think LE needs to go back to the neighbors in the MH park and find out who visited them during that week. I think someone saw Haleigh and might have decided to come back and abduct her. I don’t mean just SOs either. If LE has not pulled criminal background checks on the neighbors and their visitors during that week, I think they need to. Some of the perps of these type of situations are usually right under LE’s noses, and might have been talked to early on in the investigation. I think someone “watched” this MH and its occupants, and knew Ron was gone and the children were left with a young babysitter, who could very easily be overpowered if encountered. I do not see Ron leaving the guns out for Misty to use for protection, so that would not be a threat. This person waited for the lights to go out and then pounced. I see it as simple as that. Misty knows nothing and Tommy knows nothing, but maybe suspect each other or Joe. This case has classic signs of a stranger abduction, but LE doesn’t want to listen. What they failed to realize, with clearing the SOs in the area, does not necessarily clear ALL strangers. What’s the harm in starting at square one with the neighbors, and not with just a cursory glance but with a thorough investigation? No telling what they will find and what they could easily have missed! JMO
Attorney Fields was just trying to console Misty. She looked tortured and deeply depressed.
It is also not unusual for an attorney to have physical contact with the defendant to make him seem more human.
Alright everybody, raise your right hand if you have a black bag lying around in your house. A black bag that is sturdy enough and large enough to place a 5 year old child in and whisk her out of her house. Anybody? Didn’t think so.
The only black bag I have in my house is a plastic trash bag. Granted the folks who manufactured it say it’s durable. But, I seriously doubt if I could put a 5 year old child a standard trash bag without the bag bursting wide open. Just like this ridiculous story.
IMO
You put the child in the trash bag and then hold it under your arm. The bag would never have to support her weight.
@John, what if the child is thrashing and flaying their arms and feet?
John W. Sharp–The whole time he is holding the trash bag with a five year old in it under his arm, he was wielding some type of weapon (a knife or gun)..Is that feasible? JMO
RM, hand raised. I have strong extra large black bags but only because they’re used for asbestos removable and I doubt ANY of these people have any of these bags or even know they exist. They’re used in removal in industrial plants across the nation.
For those who may have not seen Crystal Sheffield’s interview after Misty’s most recent court appearance:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/081710-croslin-says-she-heard-haleigh-attack
MyFox Orlando, Fl 8-17-10
“Lawyer: Croslin says she heard Haleigh attack”
Article and video (to the left)
robin said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
John W. Sharp–The whole time he is holding the trash bag with a five year old in it under his arm, he was wielding some type of weapon (a knife or gun)..Is that feasible? JMO
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And opening and closing van doors, and oh yeah, driving as well. JO seems to be pretty talented, or have lots of arms and hands.
There is no wrong way of reacting to an event or what another person perceives as a threat. Nor is anyone in a position to decide for another human being if their perception is correct or not and then punish them according to what we may perceive of the people. It’s not anyone’s right to determine if a person responds correctly to a crime or what is perceived as a correct response. If this version is true or some what true the crime began when TC and Joe entered the home and when Joe became violent. At that time Misty was also a victim of a crime. When she failed to immediately report it when they left, when she lied for months putting the family through hell, that is her crimes and she needs to stand accountable for them. If the child was alive when they left with her then it is also possible that her failing to report it makes her accountable for accessory to murder or criminal negligence causing death, neglect causing death, something a long those line. If Ronald did in fact have a machine gun in the home and it is not allowed he needs to stand accountable for that. If he was aware that these persons were addicts and thieves then he needs to be held accountable for some form of neglect. If the Mother knew things she did not report she also needs to be charged and so on down the line. If there is Justice for Haleigh they all go to the floor in their part that caused this collision of lives that this child may not of survived from, whether they loved her or not. If Joe did assault Misty sexually that night he also needs to stand accountable for that whether the Police like that idea or not. If this is about seeking Justice then they all go up all who are responsible. This isn’t about having sympathy for those who lost a child it’s about Justice for what the child suffered. I don’t believe this story it seems pretty far out there but stranger things have happened. If we start to dictate the proper response to a crime by the victim that is a very slippery slope that leads into cases and situations where it does not belong. What I have learned about people and seeing responses to violence is that most claim they will do this and that but few and far in between actually do. There is no wrong way to respond to a situation that a person should not be in in the first place. MHO is there is no wrong response each person survives the event their own way. Some are very outwardly reactive some go inward and silent. It makes no sense to me to beat a dead dog with what does not matter and is not the actual issue. The issue is the violent crime not the response.
God Bless Haleigh
Robin m2c I so agree with you both… there has been NO none nada evidence (not even circumstantial of which Casey Anthony was arrested, as well as Scott Peterson) one facing the death penalty and the other sitting on death row…..in the case of HaLeigh LE obviously has NOTHING, and it doesn’t take a lot to convene a Grand Jury, with only circumstantial evidence, arrest and try someone for murder in the first degree!
These are only drug charges, so without a jury and based on unfounded implications, circumstantial or not, these ignorant people will be tried for murder via petty drug crimes. HS was a pawn, it didn’t work… TC another, still no confessions, Misty plead no contest… okay the insane drug charges didn’t work…now what?? Do these ridiculous charges appease LE and the community?
Did you read today about the former US Gold Medal woman skater that was involved in a true “drug ring” manufacturing and selling 10K a week ( a week!!!) of crystal meth??? She was sentenced to 5 yrs probation, $2500 fine, 240 hrs of community sentence and random drug tests. She cooked the meth in her house. She also is in her early 30’s… so please tell me…. is Misty and the motley crew being charged truly for only drug cases.. or is it LE being judge, trial and jury for a case they can’t solve?
I have a lot of care and concern for baby HaLeigh being found and the guilty lowlifes being held responsible, however the way LE is processing this case and the obvious lack of amy separation of a murder/kidnap vs small time drug users, insults my intelligence. Again, these are my opinions.
@judithan. I love it!
Robin and Why I agree with both of you. Doesn’t sound feasible to me. Also factor in a kicking and screaming child because there is no way an 5 year old is just going to hold still while being abducted. Even if they are asleep, IMO at some point they are going to wake up and start screaming and crying and trying to get away.
Hmmm…. JudithAn on second thought, you might be on to something there. The Croslin family is/was into construction…. Hmmm….
John W Sharp said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
You put the child in the trash bag and then hold it under your arm. The bag would never have to support her weight.
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I seriously doubt a 100 lb soaking wet Joe could hold Haleigh under his arm. No way that child would not be fighting inside of that bag.
I still think the story is hogwash.
RM they might be in construction but knowing asbestos workers they would never work around nonunion drywall workers. They do only industrial and commerical work. But the Croslins could have stole the bags.LOL
WhyLie said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
robin said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
John W. Sharp–The whole time he is holding the trash bag with a five year old in it under his arm, he was wielding some type of weapon (a knife or gun)..Is that feasible? JMO
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And opening and closing van doors, and oh yeah, driving as well. JO seems to be pretty talented, or have lots of arms and hands.
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Don’t forget he also had a knife at one of their throats and also had a gun on one of them. so he’s got Haleigh tucked under his arm while he is brandishing a gun/knife with Misty hiding under the covers and Tommy in the van with the knife to his throat so he didn’t see anything either. pffft
I’m out voted.
@Dusty, I’m going to have to disagree with you. IMO The only reason a person would hesitate calling 911 in a time of emergency is that they have something to hide.
Everyone who is determined to not ever, ever beleive anything Misty has to say is destined to never, ever know what happened to Haleigh.
Anything we are learn about what happened that night is going to have to come from misty.
Jnet–I loved your post and I agree! I have followed wrongful conviction cases for a long time. Without any evidence to support LE’s theory and Misty and Tommy’s stories, I think this case will go down the same way. This case mirrors several cases where false confessions have been obtained and used in a conviction, down to how the media reports the specifics (which are very few). The “Misty is the key” statement being splayed in every report and mimicked by cops repeatedly is a strong indicator. Every nuance of every crime these people have committed being reported to media and heard over and over to sway public opinion is another indicator to me. The completely incompetent lawyers who think they are “helping” their clients by repeating these stories to media BEFORE sentencing for an unrelated crime was a lucky break for LE (ineffective counsel at its best). This is not justice–this is a travesty. The only people that this benefits is LE–closing a high profile case and gaining a conviction. A conviction does not in any way equate with justice–and that is what LE and an SA should be looking for and demanding–JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH! JMO
John W Sharp said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
I’m out voted
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LOL, sorry about that.
It’s just that Misty and Tommy have lied for 18 months.If they had come out with this story back in Feb. 09 I might have believed them but not wait till your butt has been put in jail to concoct this story.
Robin, I understand exactly what you are saying, and I will keep this really short because it is not my intent to offend anyone…however it boggles my mind of what I perceive as an injustice of drug sentencing in these cases. IF there were any evidence, circumstantial or forensic, then absolutely I would agree with the people involved being held to the highest level of the law… however we are NOT talking about a murder case, rather a petty drug case with all these strings tied to a possible homicide. In my mind, that is simply wrong.. I am not a resident of Florida, if I saw this type of charges and penalties for small time hydro sellers, I would be letting my voice be heard, because it makes no sense, unless you view these people guilty for harming HaLeigh and this is the only way LE can end this case. And that philosophy pretty much blows any theory of a true and just judicial system.
Jnet–You said it so eloquently and I so agree with everything you posted.
jnet-10:08
Agreed! This is LEs “out”. Haleigh had no justice, and possibly a child killer is still on the loose.
Not that I’m anywhere ready to buy hook line and sinker anyhing falling out of Misty’s mouth…I think dismissing a black bag to rapidly might be a mistake. There has to be some reason Le is angry ‘black bag’ was released.
Who said it was a garbage bag with certainty? A heavy duty construction bag? A canvas duffle bag? Flinging arms and legs?…We have not been informed if in Misty’s story the child was even alive when tossed in the bag. Was she flinging and whailing? Was she gagged and little arms tied behind her back?
Yeah, all terrible thoughts, but ‘tossed in a bag’ isn’t exactly all that much information to judge the possibilities of such a thing. If Fields was going to spill, least he could have been a bit more detailed. I imagine we can believe, if nothing else, that if this story was laid at LE’s feet they asked for better details than ‘tossed in a black bag’.
John W Sharp-
you are putting your trust in a 17 year old strung out drug user-who in 18 months has not said a word for me to believe she even knows what happened to haleigh. her stories are all lies, concocted to get out of jail free, and she is pointing fingers at everyone, and MOST IMPORTANTLY John W Sharp—There is NO evidence to support ANYTHING she says. How smart is it to put my trust in the mantra “Misty holds the key”? Sorry–I am smarter than that.
Jnet – You are right. It just occured to me that men are brutally beating their wives/girl friends, men are sexully molesting children, drunk drivers are commiting vehicular homicide, and are being given 6 to 12 months.
While drug cases are threatening an entire generation.
jnet said,in August 18th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
What a great post. ITA.
We do not want a sentence just to close a case we want a conviction. A justifiable conviction. With out that the innocent suffer and the GUILTY GO FREE!
Robin and BJB great points and comments.
Bon. We have to take seriously and follow up on everything Misty says.
Bon. Who would you believe?
If not Misty who?
Is this the 3rd time a black bag story has came up?
1st was the mondex story and LE did a search.
2nd was the Blue Scrubs Lady tip with the mysterious ex FBI psycic. LE did search it.
3rd is the new Misty / SKB ex FBI story
Le did of course searched shell harbor.
Unless there is evidence, I dont believe misty. why would there have to be a person to believe? all 3 clans are not trustworthy. do I think we will find haliegh with information from anyone in these clans? No. I believe this is a stranger abduction. there is no evidence to suport anything anyone says because none of them knows what happened to haliegh.
It is very easy to prove this….there will be no arrests, because there is no evidence to support involvement from any of the clans.
thanks for the Tommy post Vaq
tobias said,in August 18th, 2010 at 12:22 pm Kids solve crimes google the Bobby Cutts story, a 2 year old solved that murder. jmo
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Tobias you are right kids do solve crimes. This 2 year old , little Blake was able to tell what he saw happen to his mother even 24 hours after the event and fro days after. He was found wondering alone in the home where the lived after his mother, Jessie Davis, was murdered by his father. At only 2 yrs old he told his Grandmother immediately that” mommy broke the table, mommy’s crying and mommy’s in the rug. Jessie was 8 months pregnant with Cutt’s baby girl. Blake was a very important witness. Although he did not implicate his father. The case was actually solved due to police pressure and excellent LE work. Cutts was also an officer. His friends who were also officers pressured him to come clean after all evidence pointed to him. He confessed and led LE to Jessie. She was in fact wrapped in the bedspread that little Blake always called the “rug” according to his grandmother. Unfortunately this event happened to a person I know.
I think JR at almost 4 would have been able to have given more details if the story as it is being told really happened. Jr would remember his sister screaming and crying and Misty holding him while covering his head with the sheet. I think he would have told of these events.
As to the lies, I have raised 11 teenagers. All of them were good kids and never in any legal troubles. Everyone of them was different. When some got in trouble they were less then forth coming with facts. A couple would just plain lie about events. One or 2 would even make up elaborate stories to “clear themselves.” Some would say, “ I don’t remember” Today, most of them are grown and I am still finding out facts and truths that were well concealed. Today we laugh about some of it. None of it was serious trouble but they were avoiding normal parental punishment. Some would tell on the other (while of course leaving out their part of the participation.) It was normal behavior for teenagers, as I am told. Misty is a teenager facing a terrible crime. She has been in hell for over 18 months. (and longer if you count all of the neglect, sex and drugs she faced as a child). Do you expect truth and nothing but the truth from this uneducated, scared teenager facing a possible accessory to a murder charge? A master mind of anything I seriously doubt that. Protecting anyone? I don’t think she has anyone who has earned that much loyalty from her in her mind today. LE needs to keep working on this for this poor missing Haleigh’s sake and not settle for the easy way out.
John Sharp.. Please do not misunderstand me, I absolutely abhor drugs, and those that sell drugs are even more disgusting to me… the real dealers, traffickers, meth labs, these people are involved with gangs, all of their connections and the ramifications are horrific.. I am sorry I do not agree that a 15 pill hydro middle man peddler is in the same category… I pray to God we could in some way eradicate the continuing drug epidemic in this country, however I just don’t see the Croslins’ prison terms as holding the key to that solution. Nor do I believe their terms are relative to drug use only..
Please know I respect your opinions, and hopefully we all learn more by listening to one another that share different views, I know that is the only way I will continue to grow.. thanks for sharing.
I don’t trust Misty but I do believe there is some good in everyone.
Did Misty have a motive to harm Haleigh?
Did Misty have transportation to dispose of Haleigh?
Did Misty use a shovel and bury Heleigh?
Did Misty have help?
Where was Jr. when this was happening.
RM
I didn’t say hesitate calling 911. In fact I said if she is guilty of a crime it is failing to call 911 as soon as they left. It is the accusation that her response to the alleged attack was not the correct response. That is a slippery slope. With that people become subject to judgment for their reaction or perceived lack of it and the actual issue the actual crime at that specific moment goes unchecked, it’s a diversion a copying mechanism to blame the reaction rather than address the crime. I am not a silent reactor but I do know some and have experienced, I am an aggressive reactor and I sleep with my demons for it.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24674646/detail.html
News4Jax Jacksonville, Fl
8-18-10 Updated: 9:06 p.m. EDT
“Haleigh’s Grandma: Misty Is Lying”
I can’t say I despise people who sell and use drugs. I think that many people are self medicating. There is certainily plenty of physical and emotional pain going around. I can’t say what will help someone make it through the day.
With regard to people who sell drugs there may be an understandable economic reason why they do this.
In any case I don’t see the urgency to prosecute prescription drug sellers and users to such an extreme manner.
Also, I won’t put myself in the position to say that because I don’t use drugs I am superior to those who choose to self medicate.
I can’t say I despise people who sell and use drugs. I think that many people are self medicating. There is certainily plenty of physical and emotional pain going around. I can’t say what will help someone make it through the day.
With regard to people who sell drugs there may be an understandable economic reason why they do this.
In any case I don’t see the urgency to prosecute prescription drug sellers and users to such an extreme manner.
Also, I won’t put myself in the position to say that because I don’t use drugs I am superior to those who choose to self medicate.
This is from Dr. Lillian Glass:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/misty-croslins-body-language-shes-not-doing-too-well-behind-bars-as-the-shock-of-reality-sets-in/
Dr. Lillian Glass – Body Language
“Misty Croslin’s Body Language Says She’s Not Doing Well Behind Bars As The Shock Of Realty Sets In” 8-19-10
I apologize Mr. Sharpe, if I misunderstood your earlier posts. You have taken a much higher road re: drug trafficing, than one I cannot approach. As you, I do not have an addiction, unfortunately it is something I work with on a daily basis…….. and have seen the spectrum of it’s destruction. I’m sorry I misunderstood your earlier posts.
Have a great evening everyone, and we will say our prayers for not only HaLeigh but the 4 other children that are missing/stolen or murdered every day of the week… how very sad..
jnet- i agree with you
John W Sharp said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
I don’t trust Misty but I do believe there is some good in everyone.
Did Misty have a motive to harm Haleigh?
(I’ve never believed Misty,herself, harmed Haleigh.I don’t see any motive)
Did Misty have transportation to dispose of Haleigh?
(nope, Ron had the car so she would have to get a ride)
Did Misty use a shovel and bury Heleigh?
(I doubt it since they had different kinds of tracking dogs and later cadaver dogs that went all around 202 Green Ln)
Did Misty have help?
(Since I think Tommy did something he might have had help)
Where was Jr. when this was happening.
(Jr was under the covers with Misty, according to her)
Vaqurea – What is your theory?
Who do you believe?
What do you believe happened?
Who was involved?
Where is haleigh?
Who knows something?
I’m up late and have nothing to do.
What is the differance between he who is addicted to one thing and he who is addicted to another?
@DustyRose, Thank you for the clarification and forgive me for not reading all of the posts carefully. Sometimes this blog moves very quickly.
As to those who are concerned about the sentence that Misty and the others have/will receive for this crime, we should look at similar cases in the same county and see if they received similar sentences. It appears that this particular county is harsher than others when it comes to mandatory sentencing.
This entire situation does make me question the inequities in the system across the board when it comes to crime and punishment. Does the punishment fit the crime? What are we as a society doing to take preventive measures? Why were TC and MC allowed to slip through the cracks? Weren’t there signs while these two were growing up that there was something wrong with this family?
Good morning….Although I hope and pray thatI am wrong, My heart keeps telling me that someone in satsuma got away with murder. I imagine a few years down the road, Inside edition will do a story about this. They will interview one or more of these idiots and once again, we will probably hear,yet again another story about the night Haleigh vanished. Mistys attorney ought to be shot for saying those horrible things on Haleighs birthday. It could have been kept under wraps for a few more days while the family dealt with another birthday without Haleigh. How cruel. What beats in the chest of these people? Crystal, if your reading this, from my heart to yours, I am sorry. Some people just have no class.
After Mistys attorney made that statement yesterday I wonder if ronald is still “disappointed” in misty as he stated after the family meeting? disappointed? ron, what happened to blowing her teeth through the back of her head like you said to Tim Miller ( and your son basically) shoot, now I’m being mean. sorry, the shock of yesterdays events has left me sleepless and angry and very CONFUSED!
I totally give up trying to theorize who did what to Haleigh. We will probably never know. There are way too many lies out there to sort out and if le can’t figure it out, ( and I have my doubts) then perhaps all we can do is pray she is with family hidden, or in heaven with her king. I am very saddened that TN isn’t allowed to see Jr. Isn’t there something the courts can do to change that? Jr needs all of his family. First he loses his sissy, and now his grammas too? Thats cruel. Crystal could fix that if she wanted to. Why not let him spend alittle time with his other grammas…even if it has to be supervised? I know how that feels. I wasn’t allowed to see my grandson for almost two years because his mother was dangling him over our heads. It wasn’t until my son took her to court for custody that I finally got to see my little sweetheart. All because she was holding all the cards. Social service finally realized that this was not healthy for him, and with her “issues with violent boyfriends and drugs” my son finally won custody. It was a long torchurous (spellcheck) fight, and very agonizing, for me and his dad and him. I sympathize a great deal with TN,AS. I really do.
methinks @ 4:56 am
I agree that Fields should not have said that yesterday but not for the same reason. I just don’t think it helps M’s case and I think it will harm her – so that makes me question Fields’ real motives.
I don’t think you should worry about it too much as far as the timing goes, though. CS chose to attend court and not to attend the birthday event so those were CS’s priorities anyway.
In addition, LE told her Haleigh was dead back before they searched the harbor so no surprise there and M’s story is ridiculous so I hope CS doesn’t believe it any more than the rest of us.
In addition, some reports say CS was acting strangely and she’s now missed two events honoring Haleigh. So among other things I am worried about her and Jr and Chloe. Maybe DCF needs to make another surprise house call?
And I agree with you, methinks. They’re doing major harm to Jr by not letting him see his gma and ggma especially after all the tumult he’s already been thru. But none of those people really care about the children. They only care about themselves and their own spite.
I guess I’m here alone…babbling. Later I will try to make sense, but I sure wish someone would wake up and have coffee with me and talk. It’s been a long night, and if I make no sense now, wait till later if Idon’t get some rest. Today is my mothers 84th birthday. I’ll buyher a yellow rose to look at and some new crayons to smell…(her two favorite things) She has alzheimers and resides in our local care center. She won’t remember me,but she will giggle like she does. It’s rather humorous how this disease has stripped her of her ability to speak, yet she remembers how to laugh and giggle like a silly school girl. She will probably outlive everyone in my family since she’s healthy as a horse physically, but in my heart, I miss her now. She was always my best friend. I only wish I could share the memories we had together, if even for a minute. Gosh how we used to laugh. Happy birthday mama.
m2c! hey, I thought I was all alone here! good to see you! sorry about my mama rant. just a birthday memory!
m2c, I think your right about cs. Maybe she was on an antianxiety med via a prescription. If not then I hope they do check on her.
m2c, and your right, that statement fields made makes misty look more cold hearted than ever…the judge isn’t going to take sympathy on her situation with her attorney running his mouth like that. for what?
One thing to remember with the police saying that neither Ron or Crystal are suspects….during an investigation the police are allowed to lie (especially to a suspect) if it can help solve the case. What if they are saying that to make the suspect or their accomplishes feel “safer” and think they have gotten away with it thereby getting “relaxed” and maybe let something slip? Just something to think about.
Good point lady…lets hope it works!
Good morning, methinks, and Happy Birthday to your mom. I’m glad she can still laugh and giggle. Maybe you could tell her some fun stories from your childhood and have some laughs together today?
She may not keep up with them but it might do you a world of good. Tough day, though, I know.
Sending prayers to both of you.
Regarding Crystal “keeping Jr away from his gramma’s”, have they even asked to see him? Have they made the effort to drive to Baker County to visit? Have we even heard them mention him once (same goes for Ron) since he has gone to live with Crystal? We do not know these things so how can we judge Crystal as being evil and not letting them see him?
And if Crystal has reason to believe that Ron was the cause of Haleigh’s death and had help from his family in covering for him, why would she have anything to do with any “event” they arranged? Was she even consulted by them about any events?
LS Per second paragraph. The only “reason” would be equal to the blogger rumormill and the event she missed on Haleigh’s birthday was arranged by her own family as I understand it from earlier reports.
Per 1st paragraph, I will look to see where I read that the gma’s wanted to see Jr (like that’s hard to believe????) and have not.
M2 5:33am-i agree.Spite,can be a cruel thing when a childs involved.I also think it was spite,towards Ron- when the 12,000 wasnt paid in payments on time
.Im sure payments werent that much a weekly an to let them get that far behind..But CS,or even the babies G parents didnt make sure these babies had their money.All because of spite to Ron.
I keep mentioning this,because it shows me the actions of people who were suppose to be fore their children,grandchildren.Mother always said love is an action not mear words!!!
Poor Jr to be ripped from everything he has known from birth.Cold hearted people when it comes to children.How very sad…These from the other side could be allowed to see this baby.What are they trying to do shut him off from them .He will grow up resenting this..
I jutt dont know what to think of all that i have been reading ,about these latest evens.
All i do know is there no HaLiegh,or no no traces of her alive are dead..So i would like to know if LE has been following up on any tips left sence the arrst,an interrigations of the who are now being shipped of for awful amounts of time.Or if LE just shut it down sence the arrest in the early part of the yr,an hasnt still been investigating other possibilities.Looking at others.I do worry about how this case has been handled.But thats just me.
Gotta go heading to the hospital for some test-ugh gotta be put to sleep again,i dont like that!!!
Poor little HaLiegh placed on the back burner,to cover drug cases.Shame!! A precious innocent child,an no anwsers.My heart weeps for her……
interesting info from WSKY:
This is the media release from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office:
Date: August 17, 2010
The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has received numerous requests for an official comment regarding a statement made earlier today by Attorney Robert Fields. For those outlets not aware, Attorney Fields is legal counsel for Misty Croslin.
Attorney Fields made a statement to media outlets that after Misty Croslin’s arrest, she informed investigators what happened the night Haleigh Cummings went missing, and what happened to Haleigh Cummings.
Since the onset of this investigation, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has been asked to comment on information obtained during the investigation. The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has always taken the firm stance that any information obtained in this case is not to be released, and any investigative strategies will not be discussed. The Haleigh Cummings investigation is far too important to be jeopardized by releasing this type of sensitive information.
The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office will not be participating in any formal interviews or providing statements regarding this morning’s events at this time. The main concern of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is finding Haleigh Cummings and returning her home to her family.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/7930698.php
Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office
This all seems to finally be falling into place. From what I heard, Ron has his deal and is set to testify against Misty at her sentencing. I am sure prosecutors have told her that he is going to testify and they are going to vehemently argue against the youthful offender status. This judge has already nailed Tommy and Hope with 15 years each so she is looking at least at 25 wi/o the help of prosecutors. If she does not come clean now, she is DONE
Did anyone else listen to Leonard Padilla on Nancy Grace last night? He actually seems to have a point. He says that Joe was not involved at all. The people involved are Tommy and Timmy. Remember it was Timmy’s van that was used and Timmy left town right after. Joe left town too, but that was already scheduled. He did not run away. It really makes sense when you think about it. Besides Ron, the only other person Misty would protect is Timmy. She cannot rat out both her brothers so they picked Joe as the scapegoat. Also, Chesea was the one that told Grandma Flo to tell police to search the river, and she is ALWAYS leaking information if it points away from Timmy
I’m done listening to Padilla. Somebody needs to tell him he’s coming awfully close to sounding like the DCasey/Luke/Ginette wanna-be-thriller writers(and tinfoil hat wearers). He needs to shut his mouth.
I don’t see how searching the river points away from Timmy. I figure if either or both T’s did it there’s no proof anyway.
M is done. R’s testimony is not needed. He’s done too. End of story.
WHERE IS HALEIGH?
I have always felt that Timmy was somehow involved. Him packing up and leaving the state asap just didn’t sit right with me.
He has said NOTHING since then, all we’ve heard is what Chelsea says.
If LE has been lying when they say Ron and Crystal are not suspects in order for the last 18 months in order to “flush” out somebody, they might want to think up a new strategy, because obviously if that is the case, it has not worked. Nor did the drug sting.
PSCO needs to get there focus back on finding Haleigh which imo, they lost sight of from day 1.
If LE believed from the start that Misty was the key, they had to know, as we all did, that Misty could not have acted alone. Why did they not focus in on those that would have/could have been her accomplices?
Why was TC not heavily questioned and given a LDT on day one? As well as Lindsy, Timmy, Chelsea, JO, Nay Nay, Amber? LE had the phone records from day one, why did they not know or have a record of, or question, why Ron called TC that night? And if they did indeed have that info, which they should have had, why didn’t they question TC about it on day 1?
PCSO blew this case from the start. The buck stops with Hardy. Finding Haleigh and what happened that night was his JOB. And yet he let a bunch of young punk pill heads keep the path of the investigation going in circles.
All I can say is thank the good Lord that Orange County didn’t allow Casey and her lies and half-truths from keeping LE from finding out the truth.
Good morning, everyone. I would like to remind everyone that Timmy and Chealse did not leave ASAP it was months later after Chealse delivered their last child.
That’s right, Tm 39, and I think they’d been talking about making the move since before Haleigh disappeared.
methinks,
Happy Birthday to your mother and I hope you have a nice day. God be with you today and always.
The black bag makes me think of Jessica Lundsford. She was told to climb into a bag and buried alive.
Jean…I did watch Leonard last night and this is the theory I am convinced of what happened that night.
I have been following this case since day 1. This is the conclusion I have come to. And IMO this is the only thing that could of happened:
Misty was strung out and very tired that Monday night. The 5 year old wouldn’t settle down so Misty smacked her. She died from the blow. At that point Misty called her brother to come over.
Her brother took the body and dumped it. There was NO Joe. Misty can’t admit anything, murder in Florida is the death penalty. Tommy can’t say anything because he participated in it. That is why nobody is talking. They would rather be in on drug charges than on murder charges. I am so convinced on this theory!
Why not point the finger at Joe?? He is innocent!!!
mc2:
Searching the river does NOT point away from Timmy. That is my point. How did Chelsea have that information in the first place?
I disagree….Jr needs to stay away from the Cummings environment for awhile.
BOLDONE3 @ 9 am – All it would take is lunch at MacDonald’s with his gma and ggma once in a while – and CS and MG could be there too. Just so Jr knows they are okay and didn’t disappear like his sissy did and then his dad and M.
Come on. But that’s probably a little too mature and selfless to be do-able for the adults involved.
Boldone3, lunch with her grandma/greatgrandma (heck everybody is in jail) would appear to be no more harmful to a child than time with Marie. Do you really think Annette eating a happy meal with Jr is a harmful hour? From what is said of all members of Haleigh’s family (mom and dad’s sides both) none of them have much room to run for ‘family of the year’. Lunch with Cummings out…but living on farm with crack pipes in trucks, fine?
A supervision visit by DCFS could easily be arranged and monitored. Totally controlled environment situation.
Texasmommy39 said,in August 19th, 2010 at 8:10 am Good morning, everyone. I would like to remind everyone that Timmy and Chealse did not leave ASAP it was months later after Chealse delivered their last child.
I know when they left. I said “asap” meaning as soon as they were able. No need for a reminder.
We do not even know if Annette and Teresa have even asked to see Jr. so why blame Crystal for them not seeing him? She can’t deny what they haven’t asked for.
BOLDONE3 Tommy has put himself at the scene of a crime saying that he was with Joe when he put Haleigh in the river. It looks to me like he would turn on Misty to save his own hide. Maybe not, I don’t know but Misty ratted him out.
Even if AS and TN haven’t asked to see Jr. I think he should be able to if he has asked to see them. Regardless of what we think of the Cummings family they are his family. We don’t know how close they are, but if he wants to see them I think he should be able to as he has already lost his sister, daddy and Misty. He used to play with Tommy’s children and he has lost them too.
I know Tommy got to see at least one of his children in jail, so does Jr. get to go visit Ronald? That would be tough, seeing his daddy but not being able to touch him.
I’m inclined to agree that Timmy is involved somehow. I do not think Misty hit and killed Haleigh, but I think she knows what happened, as does Tommy. I can’t imagine why T & T would go to the MH that night, unless Tommy was looking for something to take (gun) for money. And I agree that it’s better to go to prison for drugs than for conspiring in the murder of a child. Misty and Tommy may figure they don’t want Timmy put away, too. He is their big brother, and that holds a lot of sway to most people.
Granny23, I agree with your statement that Timmy and Chelsea left as soon as they could, meaning after the baby came. I don’t know if they had planned the move prior to HaLeigh’s going missing or not because I have read that they did and that they didn’t.
I am sure they would want us to believe that they had planned the move in advance, so I wouldn’t take their word for it.
Jules, regarding Jr. seeing Ron in jail, he is too young the county jails do enforce an age limit.
If Jr has asked to see AS and TN, that still does not mean they want to see him and does not in any way put the responsibility on CS to force them to.
Really, if Tommy and Misty are already going to prison, why take Timmy too? If Timmy was involved they would have to tell the truth and that seems and impossible mission for them.
Simon wrote: “…getting Misty’s two very separate drug situations combined into one was sheer brilliance.”
Isn’t JAX news reporting otherwise in the most recent news clip? I had to watch the video clip a couple of times to really understand what the reporter was saying regarding this.
I would like to know if anyone agrees that the act of abducting a 5 year old child is a deliberate act with a limited suspect pool? I am sure that all would agree that considering the child and who the child was exposed too is also a determining factor as well. The last point I would love some thought provoking opinions on is the act of opportunity and in this case is it obvious that our suspects window of opportunity was only when HaLeigh was in bed asleep and her Daddy was at work?
I have again went back and looked at the caregiver theory and IMO Misty is innocent and all the Croslins. At this point I am in agreement with a few that it is a possibility that this was a act of a SEX OFFENDER. I still whole hearted want HaLeigh to be alive and safely well hidden amongst Sheffield, Lauramorer or Griffis family members or even trusted friends and will one day be found and able to come home to to those she was taken from. With that said I would think it is time we all focus on the crime in its self and not the sideline antics. I ask all to take it back to the beginning and look at the circumstances of this crime and ask your self these simple questions.
1. Who would take a 5 year old with Turners syndrome. Without seeing this adorable child I ask you who comes to mind that would have a motive to break in to a home in the middle of the night to take THIS child. I am blessed myself with a special child (LOL she is now soon to be 24) and will tell you no matter how cute they are they are not chosen by those with a evil hart to be kind to!
2. Does the act of stealing a child in the middle of the night indicate that the opportunity had to be planned or implemented at the victims most vulnerable time to accomplish the crime? I would say this was PLANNED.
3. Do we all believe that this crime was committed by someone HaLeigh knew based on the (?)facts such as the kitchen light was used during the act of the crime. HaLeigh’s night shirt was removed and left behind hidden under the pile of dirty clothes at the back door? A small child’s foot print was discovered along the scent trail the bloodhounds followed that morning? By the way, Billybob has put a lot of effort into a map that shows the scent trail the dogs followed that morning and posted it on the Forum. TY Billybob again it is a invaluable piece to this puzzle.IMO.
I direct you all back to the fact that a caregiver is the first person of interest and suspect on anyone list. The crime that we have been led to believe happened beginning with the 911 call, police report and the known public effort that PCSO and every agency near and far was doing, to look for this child. I ask everyone do you realy think that:
1. Misty did it and acted alone?
2. Tommy did it and acted alone?
If either of these two did do something and acted alone I am having a very hard time understand motive and ability to not have cracked in 18 months. I also question their opportunity to alone stage the MH and the scent trail through the woods and neighborhood all the way to the tracks. Misty had no phone or had turned it off at approximately 8:30 pm that night nor did she have a vehicle.
Tommy was a good boy that night according to Lindsy and had cooked dinner and was with the kids till she arrived home after 10 pm. She claims they ate dinner and watched TV before going to bed. Apparently both Tommy and Lindsey where awoken when LE knocked on there door in regards to HaLeigh was missing. A time line is obvious if Misty and Tommy have told the truth in any of the lies.IMO.
My point is with such a limited time line and all that we do know of the original crime scene that was revealed in the police report and the efforts that where done to find this child how far could someone get with HaLeigh and commit the perfect crime to have gotten away with it for over 18 months. I just can not see the Croslins that have been under our microscope of having the intelligence and or the heart of stone that would of been required to have denied and now lie to get away with murder. The fact that these individuals have pointed at one another form the beginning tells me that one acted alone or none are involved. SO is it a SO that has it in his mind that little HaLeigh that will Stay a child “forever” so to speak and would have already developed a relationship with this child and a desire to act. The fact that HaLeigh was taken in the middle of the night without the watchful eye of Misty or Ron protection indicates it was the only opportunity this person had to take HaLeigh. I then ask who would HaLeigh be exposed to but continuously supervised around? Who would of been considered missing in this social group after the fact or acting suspicious when around. I know we all have focused on the families involved and they all in turn have acted and done suspicious things, but, the fact is we have focused on their dysfunctions and our sense of the morality issues involved and not the crime that was committed against a HaLeigh.
My questions today are valid and after 18 months and many lives destroyed it is time that the crime of HaLeighs abduction is solved and the public’s outcry for justice to be delivered. I will be back later to be enlightened by everyone else’s thoughts and opinions. Need to water and feed before it gets to hot.
I understand that CS can’t force them to see Jr but if he wants to I think they would.
In so many pictures AS and TN seem to care about the children, to an extent. Maybe they didn’t want to raise them, but they loved them. Maybe they wanted to be more a part of their lives but Ronald wanted them with him. No one knows what all has transpired so it is pointless for us to try to figure out the family dynamics, IMO.
Teresa said she sees Junior just not that much. There is a video of her saying it. Not much could mean she doesnt have time to go as often as she would like or not much could mean not every day like before. But she does see him.jmo
Oh, yeah. Anyone really believe that Jr’s gma and ggma DON’T want to see him? That concept strikes me as being comprised of 100% toxic sewage.
Tex – I know you believe Crystal’s family did this and that may be true but I’m still really stuck on the Misty / Tommy thing. Sorry.
An SO wouldn’t care if Haleigh had a medical condition. She’d be used and killed so her medical needs not of any importance to them.
And yes, I CAN see Misty and Tommy keeping quiet if they knew they would be facing murder charges. Plenty of cases where people confess on their death beds after keeping a secret of decades.
And yes, I have focused on the crime against Haleigh. But it is the actions of those around her who were responsible for her that draw my attention when looking for the guilty party.
If Misty is truly the Sociopath I believe her to be and devoid of emotion as she appears to be, I think she could be capable of just about anything.
Truth is, none of us has a clue what transpired but as of this moment my money is still on Misty and Tommy. That could change tomorrow and if I knew what LE knows it might very well change today. But based on what I know right now, I’m sticking with Misty and Tommy as being the guilty parties.
m2c, I said WE DON’T KNOW, just because “I” wrote it does not automatically make it “100% toxic sewage”.
Anybody worried about the ‘State of Ronald’? LOL
I’m curious as to why some get hung up on the kitchen light bit? If one believes little or next to little of anything that has come out of Misty’s mouth…why cling to a ‘story’ that a light was on? Was the light really on? Were all the lights on in the home? None of them? It’s only Misty’s word saying it was on.
Why bother with a ‘light’ to spare a child’s fear of the dark if one then dashes said child out a door into total darkness.
Does anybody think that Ronald sent Tommy over to the house to place him at the scene?
just-saying – well said and very valid point.
puddy hole, I think that could be a possibility.
puddy – I have thought that from time to time. But Tommy’s actions and words since going to jail have made me more suspicious that he was involved and not because Ron called him. But yes, that thought has crossed my mind and I believe we’ve discussed that here before. I’ve had strong suspicions of Ron too but nothing LE says or does seems to point to him.
Texasmommy–I do not think the Croslins were responsible. I think LE needs to go back to square one and start with neighbors or someone that visits that MH park on a regular basis. I think someone saw Haleigh, maybe playing outside with other children, riding her bike, or getting off the bus. I think it had to be someone who watched the house, and the comings and goings of the people who lived there. They waited until Misty and the children went to bed and came in and abducted Haleigh. I do not necessarily mean it has to be an SO, but someone who flew under the radar of LE. I do not believe the MH was picked at random. You hit a good point with the scent trail, too. If you look past the dysfunction of the Croslin family tree (or all the families involved) does any of them appear to be that clever or that devious? Their lies are not even that clever to me and they sound like something these people could never dream up on their own. I don’t buy any of it. Their education level alone belies the fact they could get away with this heinous crime for 18 months and leave not a single trace to tie them to it. Their lies and their seeming endless supply of gruesome details will probably be their undoing, because whether they are responsible or not, LE deems them guilty. And we have all seen what LE will do to gain a conviction–not justice (Remember Kevin Fox and Jerry Hobbs’ cases to see how LE gets “their” man–not the real guilty person). JMO
Robin – all very valid points and things for us to consider as well as what Tex said. I really have tried to follow the “Crystal Clan” angle if for no other reason than it would mean Haleigh was alive and safe but my gut tells me that is not the case.
It is still very possible the Crystal’s family is behind this but it is way down the list on my theories.
The SO or stranger abduction theory actually ranks higher on my list. But I don’t know why Misty and Tommy would be telling these hideous stories and CHANGING the stories if they didn’t have some involvement.
I completely understand the issue with false confessions but I don’t see that being the case here. I know it happens, I’ve researched cases of it happening but that doesn’t seem to be the case with Misty and Tommy. There actually seems to be bits of truth to what they are saying. But again, I could be way off base.
But if I have to put my theories in order, Misty and Tommy are at the top with a SO/Stranger abduction following closely behind and the Crystal’s family abduction falling closer to the bottom of the list.
LS @ 10:50 – I said the concept was toxic sewage imo. That means, well, um, that I think the concept iss toxic sewage.
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puddy hole @ 10:53 – Nope. Because I’ve never heard of one shred of information or evidence that places T there other than T saying he was there. It makes no sense at all. But go ahead and keep banging away at R. I understand it’s very hard to give up old habits.
m2c – like you, puddy hole has every right to their opinion and if that means “banging away at R” as you put it, that is their right.
And I don’t believe anyone’s opinion should be labeled toxic sewage. Can we take it down a notch please?
I know you’ve got a good heart and you mean well….and I don’t honestly believe you mean any ill-will with your posts….just saying perhaps you can take it down a notch so your posts aren’t taken the wrong way. 😀
JB–I understand your relunctance to believe that LE would stoop to such devious levels to solve a case, especially a high profile case as this one. LE knows what a confession is worth–it is much simpler, not to mention cost effective, to gain one of those then to trample all over thousands of acres or drain ponds and rivers. After 18 months, and interrogation after interrogation, and numerous LDTs to boot, Haleigh is no where to be found–and no one is no closer to the truth.
All we have is some pretty outlandish stories and some hefty drug trafficking sentences–No Haleigh, No Truths, No Answers. I think LE is way off base here, and the day they declared that this, in no uncertain terms, is not a stranger abduction, is the day that tunnel vision became evident and locked in. Anyone else that was brought to their attention got a cursory glance, if anything at all. Their bullseye has been on Misty and Tommys’s backs and never trained anywhere else. They are diligently investigating this case they say–I say you can’t be if you are fixated on a group of people to the exclusion of anyone or anything else–you are just going through the motions of an investigation. And that is sad for Haleigh’s sake, as well as the people who love her. JMO
JB @ 11:29 – I said that the concept – of Jr’s gma and ggma NOT wanting to see him and that of CS forcing him to see them or vice versa – is sewage. I stand by that because that’s my opinion. 🙂
Robin – I guess I’m hoping they have a lot of evidence that we don’t know about. I know they can get tunnel vision, I know mistakes are made, I know about false confessions and I PRAY that is not the case here. It could be but I’m really praying it isn’t so. I want justice for Haleigh SO badly and I don’t care WHO it was that took her, I want them to pay! It doesn’t matter to me if my theories are correct or not. I just want TRUTH! Haleigh deserves that much! 😥
JB–I agree. I want Haleigh found and the person responsible to pay dearly–no matter if it is Misty, Tommy, or some unknown. I think that’s why we are all here and why we all care. I do not think anyone wins in a situation such this–to many untruths and too many lives ruined. Haleigh needs to be found and justice will follow. It is not about theories or speculations, and who is right or wrong–It is about bringing that little girl home–whether to rest in peace or live the rest of her days. Finding Haleigh should be the top priority!
puddy hole said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Does anybody think that Ronald sent Tommy over to the house to place him at the scene?
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Nope. I don’t think he asked him to go over there at all, he just wanted to know if Misty was there. If Tommy was worried at all about Misty he would have gone over immediately and not wait an hour or so to go “check on them”
Well IMO it is the public that seems to have the so called “tunnel vision” without the facts.
m2c said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 11:20 am
LS @ 10:50 – I said the concept was toxic sewage imo. That means, well, um, that I think the concept iss toxic sewage.
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Nope, maybe you should go back and read what you actually wrote.
I am going to agree with Marc Klass that this is no strnger abduction. What really happened that night to little Haleigh is unknown at this point.
I wonder who Nancy Grace had on her mind when she said If I were the prosecutor I would put all four of them in a pot and let them stew. Then she 3 in a pot. I wonder who the fourth person may of been on her mind. Just a thought.
LS @ 12:13 – What I wrote is:
m2c said,in August 19th, 2010 at 10:42 am “Oh, yeah. Anyone really believe that Jr’s gma and ggma DON’T want to see him? That concept strikes me as being comprised of 100% toxic sewage.”
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Concept = that gma and ggma DON’T want to see jr.
And that was mentioned by several others in various contexts. So my response is not about you. It’s about the concept.
All right I have a feeling that this afternoon is going to be filled with the back lash of PMS for a few and will not stick around to participate or be witness to the BS. See ya later.
I’m also curious as to why it keeps getting repeated and repeated that LE basically refused to look at other possible ‘suspects’ and ‘tunneled’ straight to and only to one area of subjects.
It was reported numerous times and stated in pressers by LE that homes were searched in the immediate area and that neighbors opened their homes to be searched at will and questioned freely. It would appear that neighbors and neighborhood citizens knew how imoprtant to an investigation that ‘ruling out’ was. Sure… get in here and check me out so you can keep moving and not waste precious time.
It was not only homes of SO. They also set up lie detectors and offered to give them to keep the process rolling.
I still see alot of selective acceptance of supposed ‘facts’. We know from Misty that a light was on, we know from Misty that it was such and such a time that they all went to bed, we know from Misty…oh, wait. Can we believe anything Misty has said? If so, which parts? Which ones do we automatically discredit and false and which ones do we cling to because we ‘like’ the sound of that part?
Jules said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 10:14 am
I understand that CS can’t force them to see Jr but if he wants to I think they would.
In so many pictures AS and TN seem to care about the children, to an extent. Maybe they didn’t want to raise them, but they loved them. Maybe they wanted to be more a part of their lives but Ronald wanted them with him. No one knows what all has transpired so it is pointless for us to try to figure out the family dynamics, IMO.
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Mrs Sykes was asking for custody of Jr. when Ron went to jail and DCF worker said she thought Jr. should stay where he was, it was the judge that sent him to Baker County even with Crystal failing a drug test and refusing another one.
What do you think about the fact that TN seems to smile and say that she believes the little girl is not deceased. Is this simply a nervous twitch, denial, or an indication that she knows something that RC has told her. Did RC set up his ex by staging an abduction when his daughter was not returned on time from her scheduled visitation?
I remember hearing somewhere that little Jr. got too see AS and TN. I am not sure when Jrs. birthday is iirc he turned 4 not long after Haleighs disappearance. He would be 5 now and starting kindergarten iirc.
Crystal said in her interview yesterday that she was going to celebrate haleighs birthday privately with her family. I do not see anything wrong with that at all. I would want whomever may be responsible for my childs disappearance to me. I just do not think I would have been able to keep my mouth shut.
Does anyone know if any of the Cummings went to Mistys plea hearing in Putnam on Monday?
And Marc Klaas knows this how? Do not get me wrong because I have the utmost respect for him and the tremendous efforts and strides he has done for missing/murdered children everywhere after the loss of his daughter. He is not an investigator and in no way privy to the facts, just like we are not. That is his opinion and no way refelcts that he knows more than John Q. Public. I have to look also at the fact that he is an expert on a show that has promoted Misty’s guilt daily and one that also let’s Flo Hollars have a platform to spin her glorified BS. I do respect him immensely, but I do not agree with him. JMO
Vaq, I agree with your post, but lets not forget that it was Ron who put Jrs interest in the hands of the court to begin with due to drug trafficking.
It also makes one wonder why the Judge would go against the recommendation of the DCF worker.
John W Sharp said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:39 am
Vaqurea – What is your theory?
Who do you believe?
What do you believe happened?
Who was involved?
Where is haleigh?
Who knows something?
I’m up late and have nothing to do.
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Sorry I went to bed,LOL
I have many theories depending on the day..
One is Tommy was molesting Haleigh and she said she was going to tell and he killed her.
Another one is Tommy handed her off to Marty Sheffield and Marty had her hidden somewhere in KY when they abruptly moved up there.Then they abruptly moved back,she might be closer to home now. (This one stays in the fore front more than other theories)
Another one is Haleigh caught Tommy stealing that night and said she was going to tell her daddy and he did something..
All my theories now do include Tommy,it didn’t use to be that way till we found out last fall he put himself back at that mobile home later that night.
I’m also curious as to why it keeps getting repeated and repeated that LE basically refused to look at other possible ‘suspects’ and ‘tunneled’ straight to and only to one area of subjects.
It was reported numerous times and stated in pressers by LE that homes were searched in the immediate area and that neighbors opened their homes to be searched at will and questioned freely. It would appear that neighbors and neighborhood citizens knew how imoprtant to an investigation that ‘ruling out’ was. Sure… get in here and check me out so you can keep moving and not waste precious time.
It was not only homes of SO. They also set up lie detectors and offered to give them to keep the process rolling.
I still see alot of selective acceptance of supposed ‘facts’. We know from Misty that a light was on, we know from Misty that it was such and such a time that they all went to bed, we know from Misty…oh, wait. Can we believe anything Misty has said? If so, which parts? Which ones do we automatically discredit and false and which ones do we cling to because we ‘like’ the sound of that part?
I’m not knocking anyone’s theories and making light of what anyone is trying to do…help find Haleigh…I don’t have a set theory. I’m open to reading other people’s thoughts and ideas/suggestions , but I don’t see how some arrive at their theories without basing it on facts we do know (which is little) and keep toss out parts we don’t like while holding on to parts we do like.
Puddyhole, The children were not at Crystals the weekend before Monday. It was a scheduled visit for her ,but in a video on you tube Ron refused her for that week-end. Crystal had not seen her children in two weeks.
Vaq, I can agree to some of your theories, but Tommy is not going to 15 years for Johnny Sheffield.jmo
just-saying said,in August 19th, 2010 at 12:35 pm I’m also curious as to why it keeps getting repeated and repeated that LE basically refused to look at other possible ’suspects’ and ‘tunneled’ straight to and only to one area of subjects
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Because it seems they concluded that it was not a stranger abduction because they said there was no forced entry. We know of real cases where a child was abducted by a stranger and there was no forced entry.
Because even if they somehow checked out all 44 RSOs in the area, there is no guarantee that another one wasn’t visiting the area or passing thru or maybe not known to be an RSO.
Because they also ruled out a family-abduction (at least publicly) in a very very early statement but we don’t know of anything that would rule it out and several reasons why it would be feasible.
Because we have seen few signs of sincerely investigating in any direction other than “misty.”
And that has gotten nowhere.
Generally I’m a big supporter of LE but I also know they are human – with all that entails. So I can’t just follow along blindly accepting whatever they say. I believe it’s our job as the public to keep asking questions until the disappearance is solved.
Vaq – like you, my theories have changed but I too believe Tommy is involved. Something made LE believe this NOT to be a stranger abduction. I think something about the way the house was, what they found or didn’t found pointed them in that direction. If we had the info LE has we could probably eliminate many of our theories.
Does anyone know at what point this case becomes a “cold case” and the sunshine law will kick in? Is it a timeframe or just when LE declares it “cold”?
Just-saying–My theory is based on speculation, since facts are not readily available. Did they look at other people? Probably..but how well? Did they run intense background checks? Who knows? Walking into someone’s house and looking around and asking a few simple questions does not absolve any one of guilt? Because Haleigh was not at the house when police searched does not necessarily mean they are innocent either. And volunteering your house for a search does not automatically clear you off the suspect list..but it does help. Since we do not how many people volunteered for LDTs or who all took them, I cannot say one way or another. But how many were intensely interrogated or polygraphed that the public knows about and was widely reported to the media? I say that’s a handful and most are incarcerated right now for drug trafficking. The Misty is the key statement leads me to believe that the focus has been on her and her family early on and has stayed that way since. The only diligence I see in this investigation is LE getting Misty/Tommy to confess. But that’s just my opinion.
hmmm, excuse the double posts. Connection failed when tried to post so I refreshed and kept adding and ‘posted’ a 2nd time.
M2c, that was well said.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=163701&catid=3
First Coanst News Jacksonville, FL
8-19-10
“Tommy Croslin’s Attorney ‘Shocked’ at Drug Sentence, Says New Haleigh Info Not Surprising”
Tommy Croslin’s Attorney ‘Shocked’ at Drug Sentence, Says New Haleigh Info Not Surprising
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — Tommy Croslin has been struggling with drugs for years, and has been trying to get out of the circle of addiction, his lawyer said today.
Attorney James Werter also said Croslin was “shocked” at his recent sentence of 15 years in prison on two drug charges, one for possession and one for trafficking.
They plan to appeal the sentence.
Werter also spoke about this week’s revelation from Misty Croslin, Tommy’s sister, regarding Haleigh Cummings’ abduction.
Croslin’s attorney Robert Fields told his client’s sister Misty Croslin’s side of the story, giving graphic details of what happened in February 2009, when the 5-year-old girl disappeared from a home while Misty Croslin was babysitting.
Fields said Misty told police that Tommy Croslin and cousin Joe Overstreet came to the house looking for a gun, but took Haleigh when they couldn’t find it.
Werter said that really wasn’t a new revelation; investigators have known those details for months, but they haven’t been made public before this week.
Tommy Croslin was there, according to the story, but had no role in taking Haleigh. Instead, Overstreet did it.
It was a phone call from Tommy Croslin that led to an intensification in the search for Haleigh this spring, but nothing came of the search.
Werter said Tommy and his sister have had no contact since their arrest in January on the drug charges for which Tommy was sentenced, and the fact that both of them tell the same story means it is true.
Misty Croslin entered pleas of “no contest” this week to her drug charges, and is scheduled for sentencing in October.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=163701&catid=3
JB, not sure but I don’t think there is a time frame on when a case becomes a “cold case”, I think that is something that LE “declares” at will.
vaq, I read that same article..so Werter basically says that the story Misty and Tommy told is true..I wonder how he knows that?
LadySadie – I was afraid of that! LE may never declare this a cold case and we may never know what they have! 🙁
“Werter said Tommy and his sister have had no contact since their arrest in January on the drug charges for which Tommy was sentenced, and the fact that both of them tell the same story means it is true.”
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HUH? They had a year to get their stories straight and still couldn’t do it so how exactly does it make this story true? Misty has told versions of this story for a long time! The story being told this week wasn’t a news flash to the public! We’ve heard it before and heard Misty recant that SAME story! These attys need to get a grip on reality!
You know Werter said that Misty and Tommy have no contact since Janurary so that means this story is true. Well! in the phone call between G.Hollar and Tommy we hear Tommy tell Lyndsey it is a story she has already heard before!!!
Sorry Werter nice try though!!
Do not want to confuse anyone. Tommy told G.Hollar to tell Lyndsey on the other phone that it is a story she has had heard before.
This is the call Werter released to the public himself.
I think the black bag was the only thing that Misty added to her story this time..Did Granny Hollers ever mention a black bag? Or Tommy?
Ha JB, I guess Werter forgot about Tommy/Misty riding together in the car to and from Shell Harbor Dock back in April.
Werter really needs to shut his mouth before he looks more stupid than he does now. 😀
I never thought this was any stranger abduction. Too many varied stories popped up too quickly all at once. I always leaned more toward the maternal side at first, but began to believe over last summer one or more of the Croslins also was involved as well.
I pulled this question off of another site. Was it ever established just how the van got over to Timmys and Chelseas that night? It might not amount to anything, but seems somebody had to have driven it over there to begin with from Tommys house. Did Misty drive it over and walk back? Did Tommy drive it over and walk back? Did somebody drive either of them back home in the van? What time did all this happen? I think that would be important to ask in light of what all has been said from Tommy. I also seem to remember Chelsea saying she always left the keys in one place, how could that be if she just borrowed the van that night?
Ok, a stranger running through town and happens upon Haliegh’s outta the way home…could happen…the shirt left behind bumbles that one for me though as if I’m a stranger passing by I doubt I’d take the time to strip down the child before I dashed out.
Not picking on the thoughts, I just can’t fit the ‘what we do know’ into sense on that one.
I do believe that with each and every sad case of our missing children that nation wide our law enforcement studies and learns from past mistakes and misses from every case. With each case that sadly gets blown that they get better and better at learning what to look at and for.
I also make no sense of why Misty can’t utter a decent truth word during a lie detector test. Knowing nothing…she could pass one by simply stating the truth. Being drugged out of her mind…again it would not pick up the lie and stress around it. I’m no LD expert, but when when knows nothing or does not remember anything what’s to be untruthful about?
And no, I don’t believe Misty did anything to harm Haleigh. While I might buy she knows and/or covered up something, I don’t think she did anything to instigate whatever happened.
Granny 23 said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
I think the black bag was the only thing that Misty added to her story this time..Did Granny Hollers ever mention a black bag? Or Tommy?
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she mentioned the night she was on Jane’s last show that Joe wrapped her up in a bag or something. I will try and find that last interview, but the bag stuff just recently came out. I bet Flo is still talking to Misty 😉
Vaq, If Lyndsey has heard the story before. It was told well before their drug arrest in Janurary.
Granny 23 I do not remember Flo saying anything abouit a black bag. Only yellow rope and cinder blocks. The cinder block they showed on NG last allegedly pulled from the river was not in water at all. There is a web on it with a leaf inside the hole of the block.
I meant to say granny 23 in her first version back in April. She did this time though.
Someone needs to tell Werter that Misty and Tommy (anda few others) have been cooking up this story for at least a year and had plenty of time to fine tune the story against Joe.
This is the common if we get nailed this is the story we have to stick with to protect each other. JMO
Yeah, Werter is starting to resemble Bozo! Open mouth, insert foot, leg, thigh and A$$! Idiot. How does he think he’s helping his client by contradicting himself and the things his own client has said?
And yes, I remember the story about Joe wrapping Misty up in a blanket or something. One minute she’s under the blanket with Jr, then a blanket is missing, then she washes a blanket, then there is a blanket in the van (Haleigh’s) and then she’s wrapped up in a blanket (and the point of that would be what?)…..I guess she ran out of ways to add to the story with blankets so she’s moved on to bags now! 🙄
Heck Ron was even trying out that story on Cobra. We all heard him in the tape. And even Cobra didnt believe it or that dock would have been searched, did Ron go to LE with it? Must not have because they didnt search there. jmo
I just went and read the transcripts and Granny Flo never mentions a black bag, she said they wrapped her in a yellow rope.
Tobias – exactly….they came up with a story – had PLENTY of time to do it….the problem is a lie is a lie…and when they get pressed for details….they each make up more crap and that crap contradicts not only the evidence but each other. I’m surprised TC and Misty didn’t blow the dang LDT machine up! 😆
vaquera said,in August 19th, 2010 at 1:17 pm Granny 23 said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
I think the black bag was the only thing that Misty added to her story this time..Did Granny Hollers ever mention a black bag? Or Tommy?
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she mentioned the night she was on Jane’s last show that Joe wrapped her up in a bag or something. I will try and find that last interview, but the bag stuff just recently
came out. I bet Flo is still talking to Misty
Either that, or someone told Granny H what her lawyer had said and she added that to her story. I didn’t think she ever mentioned it before. The story just grows and grows..like that game of telephone.
LadyDay said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
I never thought this was any stranger abduction. Too many varied stories popped up too quickly all at once. I always leaned more toward the maternal side at first, but began to believe over last summer one or more of the Croslins also was involved as well.
I pulled this question off of another site. Was it ever established just how the van got over to Timmys and Chelseas that night? It might not amount to anything, but seems somebody had to have driven it over there to begin with from Tommys house. Did Misty drive it over and walk back? Did Tommy drive it over and walk back? Did somebody drive either of them back home in the van? What time did all this happen? I think that would be important to ask in light of what all has been said from Tommy. I also seem to remember Chelsea saying she always left the keys in one place, how could that be if she just borrowed the van that night?
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Chelsea/Timmy lived 13 miles away so I doubt anyone walked back. Maybe Tommy or Lindsy drove it over there that day and then brought whomever home. Chelsea already had the van when the kids got out of school because she picked up Austin at the bus stop.
Granny 23 said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
vaq, I read that same article..so Werter basically says that the story Misty and Tommy told is true..I wonder how he knows that?
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because they is what the lying Croslins told him 😉
Werter knows it’s true because Misty and Tommy said so? Does he also believe in the Easter Bunny?
looking for Justice said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Puddyhole, The children were not at Crystals the weekend before Monday. It was a scheduled visit for her ,but in a video on you tube Ron refused her for that week-end. Crystal had not seen her children in two weeks.
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The weekend before Haleigh went missing was not Crystal’s scheduled weekend as she just had them the weekend before and she got Jr the weekend after Haleigh went missing which was her scheduled weekend.
Okay, I know it is the job of the defense atty to stand behind his client. But DANG, when did making a fool of yourself become so popular with these defense attys? Is it one of those “well, everyone else was doing it” sort of things? Flordia has an epedimic of Defense Attorney Stupiditis!
Does anyone remember the guys name Misty thought set them up? Linda was the womans name and I remember the guy was being charge with selling stolen weapons. Misty said they were Rons friends, I just wonder if this is where Ron would have gotten a gun that was not registered? John Barrow I think thats the name?jmo
Jb at 10:50
Agreed.
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Imo, tommy and misty know and prepared their story from the night she went missing until they got caught dealing drugs.
I can’t pin down a motive. It could be many reasons.
They won’t fess up to murder.
Tc is a thief and a liar, it goes hand in hand. He won’t admit what he did but he’ll lay it on joe in case any remains of haleigh are found.
Jmo
Sorry, I just don’t buy Misty’s story. For one thing, she was not at all afraid that night. She just was not. Yet EVERYBODY insists that she was lucid, not on drugs that night etc etc. By all accounts she LOVED Haleigh. Why NOT tell LE that night? If all, according to her latest story, had to do with RON’S gun—not anything Misty did. Sorry–Just don’t buy this story. Makes NO sense. I want evidence.
just-sayin @ 1:15
I don’t mean a stranger running thru town. “Stranger” generally means someone the family does not know personally.
Gosh knows how many people who are not residents of the immediate area could pass thru on a regular basis or know people who live there and learn enough. Or just have been surreptitiously watching over a period of time. And I’m sure the RSOs who live there can talk with people or other RSOs they know who live elsewhere.
Changing the child’s clothes – and hiding what she had been wearing – is smart. First thing LE publicizes is “last seen wearing.”
So I can’t rule out the stranger/unknown/SO possibility yet.
And NO…I don’t believe for one minute that Misty would “protect” her family, yet hide and NOT protect Haleigh. Her story is just that, a story.
Werter said Tommy and Misty had not contact so the story must be true? LOL, to funny. They didn’t need direct contact with each other since they both had contact with other family members and the story was passed around the family. Geeez.
Tommy either did this, on his own, or he made the entire story up to get out of jail, and somebody entirely different took and has Haleigh.
If there was an accomplice, on the Croslin side, somebody would have squealed by now. TC and Misty would not go to prison for all those years to “protect” anybody else except themselves. And since Misty could not have done it herself, that puts her at the bottom of my list.
First coast updated the article I just posted…same link as I posted above.
Tommy Croslin’s Attorney Says Croslin said Haleigh Likely Strangled
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — Tommy Croslin, one of three people believed to have been in a mobile home the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, told investigators he thinks she was strangled by his cousin, his attorney said today.
Attorney James Werter, representing Croslin, who was sentenced to 15 years in prison this month, said Croslin told authorities in April that he believed Joe Overstreet strangled Haleigh after losing his temper in February 2009.
Overstreet, Croslin’s cousin, was reportedly looking for a gun that belonged to Haleigh’s father Ronald, but couldn’t find it.
Croslin, who said he was with Overstreet at the time, went on to say Overstreet lost his temper and went after Haleigh.
Werter said Croslin told this information to authorities in April, which led to a re-intensified search for the missing girl in the water near their Satsuma home.
That story meshes with what Tommy’s sister told authorities as well.
Earlier this week, after the “no contest” plea by Misty Croslin on her drug charges, her attorney told Misty’s side of what happened.
(there’s more to the article)
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Well Tommy has already been moved to a new prison, he is now at Franklin Correctional Institute in Carrabelle, Florida.
www .dc. state. fl. us /activeinmates /detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=713753894
(remove spaces from url)
link again
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=163701&catid=3
So now we have she was strangled. I am so sick of Croslins and their attorneys 👿
tobias said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Does anyone remember the guys name Misty thought set them up? Linda was the womans name and I remember the guy was being charge with selling stolen weapons. Misty said they were Rons friends, I just wonder if this is where Ron would have gotten a gun that was not registered? John Barrow I think thats the name?jmo
John Barton and Linda’s brother is a deputy with PCSO.
I could see Joe going after Misty since she could have known where the guns were hid.
I just dont see the reason to go after Haleigh and then leave witnesses to a murder. Then go off to Tennesse after sticking around first to hang posters with Misty. jmo
I can buy the choking to death of a small child and having no evidence left behind proving that. No blood, very little struggle…hate to think it, but its something I can believe happened.
Werter on Facebook. I am starting to loathe this man. Shut the hell up you dumbass
James S. Werter
James S. Werter Misty Croslin has not come out with a “new” story as to what happened to Haleigh Cummings on the night of February 9, 2009. Tommy & Misty been tallking since April. Their testimony has been consistent. It’s new because her attorney is now openly discussing it. The prosecutors are upset because it is not on a nice, lit…tle, easy plate for them to prosecute the one who has to answer to the crime. No guts, no glory.
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I alway place my purse and my keys in the exact spot, be it a loaner or a rental car so maybe that is what she meant.
LadyDay said,in August 19th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
““snipped by me““
Chelsea saying she always left the keys in one place, how could that be if she just borrowed the van that night?
jaba said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
I can buy the choking to death of a small child and having no evidence left behind proving that. No blood, very little struggle…hate to think it, but its something I can believe happened.
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How would Misty know? she said she was hiding under the covers and Joe was in the living room
Still dont see Tommy and Misty covering for him. Heck Misty wouldnt even protect Tommy, she has proven that by telling on him for the B&E and she pointed at him in the LVA,too. jmo
Misty has been in the spotlight this whole time just to protect Joe? No way. She is afraid of Joe? He is 2 STATES away in Tennessee and Ron is loaded to the gills with guns. She is so afraid she goes to Tennessee for 10 days and stays in the same town as Joe?
It may not be a lie but the people being named as the killer is a lie. jmo
MC2–“Gosh knows how many people who are not residents of the immediate area could pass thru on a regular basis or know people who live there and learn enough. Or just have been surreptitiously watching over a period of time.”–
I do agree with this in general, but not so much when you look at the map views. This is really not a home that sits next to a lookout spot (for long term viewing without notice) or even neighbor friendly setting …the neighborhood really seems to set apart from the motorhome.
And really, my point is not to speak and/or debate general, I’m looking at and for more possible for this actual motor home setting. I’ve viewed the satellite imagines of setting and they just don’t easily fit generalizations.
I’m not agruing the point, sure…could of happened…but not as readily as the thought appears.
just-sayin = the MH imo is perfect for someone to watch particularly at night. There are woods on what – two sides? Accessible by water too. Easy. Much easier than a regular suburban area and it’s happened in those kinds of communities too.
Tommy said it, but he just thinks she was strangled. Sounds like he made that up to me.
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — Tommy Croslin, one of three people believed to have been in a mobile home the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, told investigators he thinks she was strangled by his cousin, his attorney said today.
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vaquera said,in August 19th, 2010 at 2:59 pm How would Misty know? she said she was hiding under the covers and Joe was in the living room
I can’t believe the attys would believe this story. WHY would Tommy and Misty stay quiet as long as they did? Why stage the house like an abduction? Why send LE to a dock? Why say you know nothing? Why show no fear of the person you claim did this? Why all the variations in the story? Why didn’t they call 911 right when it was happening? Why would Joe turn on Haleigh? Why the story of getting up to go the bathroom and the light was on and Haleigh was gone? She was hanging posters with him the next day and didn’t seem afraid of him. Why so afraid that night? And why is it that TC and Misty can’t pass a LDT? What are they hiding with all their stories? Why did Misty recant? Why WHY WHHHHYYYYYY?????
Jules said,in August 19th, 2010 at 3:22 pm Tommy said it, but he just thinks she was strangled. Sounds like he made that up to me.
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Maybe Tommy was hiding under a blanket too! LMAO
I love all the details they keep adding, then changing, then recanting, then adding. 🙄 SO WHERE IS HALEIGH????
They were so afraid of JO that they threw him under the bus immediately. If you are going to go as far as the Croslins did in pointing the finger at JO on day 1, why not go all the way if they did indeed know for a fact it was JO? Makes no sense.
We know who the gun thief is in the family. If anybody went to steal a gun it was most likely TC. What he said to Lindsy in the jail visit…Ron told, what could they do? they couldn’t bring Haleigh back.
I believe the “they” is not the Mexicans that TC was implying but was himself.
His mother’s house was empty that night. Lisa and Hank at the hospital. Their MH sits right around the corner from Shell Harbor. TC could have taken Haleigh to make an exchange with Ron, but Ron told, and it blew the plan.
If JO was involved in any way he would have told on TC when the FBI questioned him, and been charged with nothing in exchange for his testimony.
To create reasonable doubt?
I cannot buy into the Joe did it story. All Misty and Tommy had to do was gang up on him. Even if he had a knife, the two of them could have saved HaLeigh. I know if anyone tried to take a child on my watch I would have to pass out from defensive wounds before I would let the child go.
Of course, I wasn’t there so it is easy for me to say what I would have done, but I cannot imagine 2 adults who knew HaLeigh not trying to protect her.
Misty knows what tommy did. Imo
Jules said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
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Oh, duh. I was livid when I was reading it.
Yup, I’m feeling pretty good about my TC / MC theory. I may have a few holes in my theory but the nuts and bolts of it are still there. Come on LE, find what it is you need to nail these two!!!!! JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!!!!!! 👿
Well how would Tommy know, didn’t Misty say he left when all this went down??
Vaq, There is a video on you tube.com, Crystal Sheffield Mother Of Haleigh Cummings, Feb,11 2009 interview that says they were suppose to have them the week end before Haleigh disappeared. This would be Friday Feb 6th – Sunday Feb 8th 2009 and Haeigh disappeared the night of the 9th or early morning of the 10th of Feb 2009. I am basing my post by that interview with Crystal and Marie.
If LE doesnt solve this soon I really think Tommy and Misty are going to have a really rough time in prison. Their ATTY.s arent doing them any favors by talking to the press and having it all over National news, everyone in the FDOC knows now. jmo
vaquera, I can understand the livid while reading.
Tommy left, but only after Joe had HaLeigh in the bag, I guess.
A few days ago I was feeling sorry to Tommy and Misty for the long prison sentences on the drug charges, but after hearing the black bag story then the strangled story I am more than livid and think they should both get LWOP.
LFJ, I saw that interview and Marie said they had the kids 2 weeks before and the coming weekend was supposed to be the next time they had the kids. And Crystal did get Junior that weekend. jmo
What I want to know is WHY their attornies LET them tell any of these stories? It does them no good at all. Better to say, “I don’t know.” All these stories do is make both of them look worse. I can’t believe this can be remotely in their best interest.
Werter should know (and Fields, too) that LE was MORE mad at T after searching Shell Harbor than if T had never told that story in the first place. So how could Fields put M in the same kind of position especially at sentencing time?
Does anyone really see this as a move that an honest attorney would let his client make at this time?
vaquera said,in August 19th, 2010 at 3:31 pm Well how would Tommy know, didn’t Misty say he left when all this went down??
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And you would think that if Tommy was going to leave he’d take the van to make a quick get away! LOL
Misty has changed her story so many times and for these attys to say “it’s the same story they told LE” and “it is the truth because the two haven’t had contact” is laughable! They had an entire YEAR to get their story straight and they STILL can’t do it! They were in a police car together. They partied and sold drugs together before their arrest and at least in my mind, they had the night Haleigh disappeared to get the FIRST version of this story down.
Keeping a LIE straight is difficult for anyone but for people who’s minds are mush from drug use, I suspect it is a bit more difficult! LOL
If I was the Lawyer I would even want proof before I made these statements. No way would I advise a client to tell anything with out a deal in place. jmo
Jules said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
vaquera, I can understand the livid while reading.
Tommy left, but only after Joe had HaLeigh in the bag, I guess.
A few days ago I was feeling sorry to Tommy and Misty for the long prison sentences on the drug charges, but after hearing the black bag story then the strangled story I am more than livid and think they should both get LWOP.
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Jules, I think even if the story is not true they both should bet LWOP just for telling it!
Tobias ITA your 3:05pm post.
An honest attorney? Yes maybe he is honest and knows they did it and wants them to get what they have coming to them in the prison. He is so honest he doesn’t want taxpayer money wasted on them.
Werter said he is working on Tommy’s appeal so you would think the less he says about Tommy the better.
Right Tobias and that Friday TN is the one who went and dropped Jr. off to Crystal. Thank you
Another thing about that video is that Marie started trying bad mouth Ronald and tell the reporter that Ron and Crystals relationship was rocky. Crystal interrupts her mother to say ” We get along” ” I just want my baby home”
All I can say come Oct at Misty’s sentencing, it’s going to get really interesting.
I hope both sides of the family show up once again and Misty has to look into each and everyone of their eyes. I have no doubt Ron will be there too.
The TRUTH is misty knows what tommy did. Imo
Misty’s PC court records have been updated.Lisa’s still hasn’t though
08/16/2010 46 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY ROBERT FIELDS
08/16/2010 46 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
08/16/2010 46 HYDROCODONE (28 G. – 30 KG.)
08/16/2010 46 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $10,000 FINE
08/16/2010 46 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 10/19/2010
08/16/2010 46 SENTENCING RESET TO 10/04/2010 @ 1:30 PM
08/19/2010 47 REQUEST FOR PSI
08/19/2010 48 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
08/19/2010 49 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
another charge…
08/16/2010 48 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY ROBERT FIELDS
08/16/2010 48 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
08/16/2010 48 HYDROCODONE 14-28 GRAMS
08/16/2010 48 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $10,000 FINE
08/16/2010 48 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 10/19/2010
08/16/2010 48 SENTENCING RESET TO 10/04/2010 @ 1:30 PM
08/19/2010 49 REQUEST FOR PSI
08/19/2010 50 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
08/19/2010 51 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
Tommy and Misty are not spilling these stories to the public–their worthless attorneys are. What happened to lawyer/client privilege? Has anyone ever saw the antics in a high profile case act like this (besides Casey’s)? Posting on Facebook about an ongoing investigation and making media rounds to spill the guilt of your client without evidence or a plea deal? Adding on and taking off details the way they see fit. These are the actions of disreputable and unconscionable men (no way should they wear an attoney label). In the best interests of this case and for the sake of any future court proceeding involving Haleigh’s case, a judge needs to put a gag order on these attorneys (or whatever they call themselves) or put a muzzle on them–whichever works. JMO
jaba, I can’t help but think Misty and Tommy are both guilty or one of them would have ratted the other out. JMO
the rest of them are basically the same except for the amounts of the pills..
08/16/2010 46 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY ROBERT FIELDS
08/16/2010 46 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
08/16/2010 46 HYDROCODONE (4G – 14G)
08/16/2010 46 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $10,000 FINE
08/16/2010 46 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 10/19/2010
08/16/2010 46 SENTENCING RESET TO 10/04/2010 @ 1:30 PM
08/19/2010 47 REQUEST FO PSI
08/19/2010 48 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM) IN JAIL
08/19/2010 49 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 P
Vaq, I am waiting to see if LaRue is judging Misty on all counts including the one in St. Johns. Were they all combined for court? JMO
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, when was the last time that you saw your grandchild?
MARIE GRIFFIS, GRANDMOTHER: It was two weeks ago when they got their visitation to come stay with us (INAUDIBLE) We pick them up Friday night 6:00 o’clock and we return them Sunday at 6:00 o’clock.
(she said that on Feb 12th)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html
Crystal Sheffield said she last saw Haleigh two weeks ago and was scheduled to see her this Friday. She said Haleigh would visit her at her home in Baker County.
http://www.jurorthirteen.com/GeneralCategories/Investigations/HaleighCummings/tabid/1263/Default.aspx
m2c – NO! That is why I said there is an epidemic of STUPIDITIS running rampant among Flordia Defense Attys! It is UNREAL what these attys are doing! And I don’t care if you are Charles Manson or Hitler! If you are being charged with a crime you should unequivicably receive appropriate, knowledgeable and qualified representation. These bozos just don’t cut it!
Good gawd, he just can’t STFU, can he?
Attorney: Croslin’s Cousin Killed Haleigh
Hank Croslin, Misty Cummings’ Attorneys’ Accounts Coincide
POSTED: Thursday, August 19, 2010
UPDATED: 4:58 pm EDT August 19, 2010
Haleigh Cummings
An Amber Alert was issued Feb. 10, 2009, for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings
MORE ONLINE:
Haleigh Cummings Disappearance Timeline
Tour Of Satsuma Home Where Haleigh Disappeared
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — The attorney for Hank Croslin Jr. said Thursday that his client told him Joe Overstreet, Croslin’s cousin, killed Haleigh Cummings in a Satsuma mobile home in February 2009 because he couldn’t find the machine gun he came looking for.
“He took the body down to the dock and came back without the body, and there you have it,” Croslin’s attorney, James Werter, said. “At the dock that night, Joe Overstreet put Haleigh in the (St. Johns) (R)iver.”
Werters’ statements corroborate what Misty Cummings’ attorney, Robert Fields, said Tuesday. He said Misty Cummings, Haleigh’s former stepmother, told investigators that her cousin, Overstreet, put Haleigh in a black bag and took her away. He said Haleigh was a “substitute” for the gun.
Werter said Croslin drove to a dock with Overstreet as Haleigh’s lifeless body lay in the back seat. Werter said Overstreet threatened to kill Croslin, which is why he went along with the plan.
“(Croslin) stayed in the vehicle and didn’t help in any fashion,” Werter said. “Joe was ordering him around, ‘Do that. Do this.'”
Werter said Putnam County investigators threatened Croslin with accessory to murder charges, which is why Werter will no longer allow Croslin to talk to tell his account.
“My advice to him is don’t talk,” Werter said. “They’re threatening felony murder charges. How can I let him talk if he says he held the door open for Joe when they carried Haleigh’s body out of the house. I can’t make him an accessory after the facts of these little threats.”
MC2–” the MH imo is perfect for someone to watch particularly at night. There are woods on what – two sides? Accessible by water too. Easy.”–
Which would then lead one to believe that any person having done so would be one living in area that knew those woods like the back of their hand and at night. Didn’t those woods shake Cobra when suddenly left by himself by TN and in the daylight.
Again not saying it did not and could not have happened this way, but do you really believe LE would not have fit all this without our help and out of the hundred plus of assorted LE available during the beginning of this zero’d into whose who might have fit that possible scenario with that ability?
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24690929/detail.html
So Crystal had the kids the weekend that the gun went missing and Ron got into it with Joe.
Which Ron says was the first time he met Joe and then Joe went to stay at Magnolia st. with Ma AND pa.jmo
So now Tommy held the door open for Joe?
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I thought in the beginning of this case with all the circus clowns that attached themselves to this case was a big ol’ circus, but this stuff has that beat…hands down.
Did they name the brick Tommy because thats what was holding the door open thelast time I heard. jmo
tobias said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Did they name the brick Tommy because thats what was holding the door open thelast time I heard. jmo
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LMAO, thank you so much for the much needed laugh.
I thought the same thing. The door was held opened by the cinder block or did Werter forget that part?
Good point Tobias. LOL!
LE took Joes clothes and I bet they knew from Chesea what he had on that day. She said he went to bed with his clothes on so if he was there Haleighs DNA( hAIR ETC.) Would be all over thise clothes. jmo
Werter needs to keep his mouth shut! He is making things worse for his client.
So Werter claims that TC was afraid for his life, BUT didn’t help in any way, BUT JO was ordering TC around, do this, do that. So did TC do as he was ordered?
If that baby was thrown in the river in a black bag she would have been found the next morning. Boats were all over that river, and no I don’t think the gators, who would not have been eating during that time, would have found the black bag, knew it was “food” and drug it down to a den.
These lawyers are setting up their appeal defense. They will claim that both Misty and TC DID cooperate with LE and DID tell them what happened and DID tell them who did it, BUT LE gave them lengthy sentences anyway, even with all of their cooperation.
It will also lead to reasonable doubt if either of them are charged with killing Haleigh.
If they made this story up they both need to go to a reputable media source and give an interview and tell if they made the story up at the insistence of LE to get lower sentences.
For once in their lives they need to tell the truth.
I hope they tell Misty she is going down for 200 plus years if doesn’t come out and finally tell the damn truth.
My theory is Misty did it. She was in a rage after that fight with Ron on the phone and the kids were fighting over the DVDs. She said she put Juior in the livingroom and he watched his movie in ther. Haleigh went into the bedroom and I believe this is where Misty went nots over trying to get her to bed and Hleigh peed. Misty killed her then acted like she was asleep for Junior. washed the blankets. Junior went to bed. She put Haleigh in the bag. She blocked the door so she could drag the bag out. Tommy shows up at the request of Ron to find Misty freaking out and helps get rid of the evidence with Misty (Junior is asleep).
She comes back and cleans everything up and thinks a SO will get blamed. sHE ALSO TELLS tOMMY THAT IF rON FINDS OUT THE TRUTH HE WILL KILL ALL OF THEM. JMO
just-sayin @ 4:18
No, to your last paragraph. I don’t think LE followed up that angle enough to know.
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Vaq @ 4:18 – Thank you for posting that. Makes me sick!
Unbelievable what Werter just blathered! T should sue him! “I can’t let him talk?” My gosh. T isn’t talking! Werter is! Wonder if he’d be talking if he had to serve the time?
Even Bozo isnt out saying what Casey has told him and in my book he is inept. But these 2 so called lawyers are the worst. jmo
Tobias–I agree with your 4:59 post.
The lawyers should know with out evidence they are just burying their clients. jmo
These 2 went to the law class Baez was teaching.
JB..
As per your comment: “The SO or stranger abduction theory actually ranks higher on my list. But I don’t know why Misty and Tommy would be telling these hideous stories and CHANGING the stories if they didn’t have some involvement.”
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Taken out of context of course..
The only thing I can possible imagine as a reason for telling these stories..
Were they trying to tell PCSO what they thought they wanted to hear? And to get out of jail?? Because none of the other stories they told seemed to work… Other than that.. I have no idea..
Jules said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
These 2 went to the law class Baez was teaching.
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*snort* The Bozo the Clown Law class
Tommy’s new mugshot. He looks jaundiced 😀
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=713778906
Tobias that is a plausible theory. Do you also think Timmy is involved and that is how the van got to Rons home?
OK, try this: Misty and Tommy are telling the truth, best they can because their sense of reality is fluid and drug addled. Ron knows the truth, that Joe did, in fact, take and kill HaLeigh. His talk is worse than his walk (leave it alone, Jaba 🙂 ) so he doesn’t actually go after Joe, just talks about it. He tightly controls his image (“I don’t do drugs,” “I smile for photos, even mug shots”) so he doesn’t want anyone to know that he actually played a role in this murder via guns and drugs.
If Tommy had told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth to PCSO…
Then why was he so afraid of them that he fought with them, when they wanted to take him out of his cell for an interview, without his attorney of course..
I would have thought if everything he was telling PCSO detectives were true, then he would be best buddies with them.. He was helping solve the case.. Right?? And PCSO would help him obtain a plea bargain for being so helpful??
Just confusing to me… And misty now has been total honest with PCSO?? But of course they can’t tell whos telling the truth and who’s lying.. and of course I didn’t see anyone from PCSO attempting to assist her in gaining a plea bargain.. looks like she was standing on her own!!! So, what’s wrong with this picture?? Are the stories so easy to accept, or have we walked into Alice and Wonderland??
I am thinking she gave Haleigh meds to put her too sleep and she OD. I think that is why Chelsea was stressing on NG that there were loose pills lying around the home.
mlee, Tommy at least knows not to talk to LE without an attorney present. Also, possible that PCSO bullies and pressures.
Cate that is also a good possibility.
I wonder if misty gave an exact time for when she was under the covers? When everything happened, so to speak.
lfJ, that Joe really did do it or that PCSO bullies and pressures?
Here is another thought Tommy knows Joe is leaving the next day so this is his last chance to steal the guns and blame it on Joe. Joe will be long gone by the time Ron knows they are gone and Tommy can be in the clear and have the guns. jmo
jaba, “I seen three…”
Cate,
That was when she was sayig she was asleep the whole time, which I thought was a lie and still do.
I wonder if tommy gave an exact time??
-saw your ‘wink’ on the ron walk… 🙂
tobias, so then Tommy goes to the house and since the guns aren’t there HE’S the one who “substitutes HaLeigh?”
jaba, shoulda’ put a wink 😉 in the “I seen three” comment; just meant to point out that Misty isn’t so good with the “time” concept. 🙂
You know I had a wild thoughts about that weapon, where did ron actually acquire it?? Wouldn’t you need a permit to own such a weapon??
If Joe is/was allegedly involved in criminal activity in Tenn, was his reason to come to florida a bit more than to visit family, was his intent to bring anything to florida and possible return with something he shouldn’t..
There seems to be more to the story about the weapon and the fight and the actual day it occurred.. was reported to have occurred on Sunday night.. A fight was overheard by a local, at tommys.. spilled out onto the street.
First it was told, and then ron denied it, then it was suppose to have occurred weeks prior, yet joe had only been there 9 days..
and then ron sent misty to tommys to find it and then she found it under the board in the drainage ditch.. this is not a small weapon..
So many tales.. so hard to figure the truth..
So, the wild thought that came about..
Was it possible that joe brought the weapon to sell for things, and the transaction went south, if the person acquiring the weapon couldn’t obtain the things.. yet already had possession of the weapon?? And Joe was trying to obtain it back?? Boy may not have wanted to go home empty handed.. After all if we are going to be playing in their version of Alice and Wonderland, we can have wild thoughts..
Its so hard to figure out who did what with all the lies but I feel Tommy knows, Misty knows and Ron knows. Joe is a scapegoat and they are all still mudding up the water with lies. I also think the real killer or abductor may still be out there. I have a feeling its someone they cant identify and he did it because of a stolen gun and drugs. They all fear for their families. Just look at the powerful drug guy they just gave life to in Putnam. His name came up from Barbra F. IN THE cOBRA TAPE. JMO
mlee, I don’t think your thoughts are particularly wild (hope that doesn’t disappoint you 😉 ). I think you are quite likely right on the money and that the fight over the gun, or guns, any weapons, is key.
tobias, I agree, Tommy knows, Misty knows, Ron knows; I would add that probably TN knows. I can go either way on Joe— easily see him as a scapegoat and can now see him as having done it.
I still hold open the possibility that she is alive and was kidnapped by maternal family and put into hiding because of the unmentionables article about the HaLeigh sighting in May ’10, woman she was with could well have been kin to Johnny/Marty.
Yes, Tobias. I can see that theory! I do think those three know what went down in the home the night Haleigh disappeared.
The unmentionable has an article on who is John Merchant and it mentioned the black bag. It came out before this past Tuesday.
I believe if she was abducted and someone took her out in public she would not look like Haleigh. Her hair would be short and dark. Her birthmark would have makeup on it to hide it. And the place would not be very public, maybe a park or playground, so she could play. jmo
Tobias I am not sure if you got my pm or not on this article,because we are not suppose to discuss him on this site.
I dont get why this garbage (what Misty’s lawyer said) is being printed-anywhere. There should be SOME kind of evidence to back up a story of this magnitude—think of Haliegh’s family having to read this. From this point forward-hold on. Misty will continue to tell whooper after whooper–hoping something will stick and get her out of jail. Yes, she is that naive.
Jane Valez-Mitchell is on. She will cover Haleigh Cummings . . . what Haleigh’s grandma has to say. They showed a picture of Teresa Neves.
I dont get why this garbage (what Misty’s lawyer said) is being printed-anywhere. There should be SOME kind of evidence to back up a story of this magnitude—think of Haliegh’s family having to read this. From this point forward-hold on. Misty will continue to tell whooper after whooper–hoping something will stick and get her out of jail. Yes, she is that naive.
Jane Valez-Mitchell is on. Will cover Haleigh
Cummings .. . . what grandma has to say. They showed a picture of Teresa Neves.
Going to watch JVM bbl.
Sorry about duplicate post. My 6:03 did not go through but now I see it. Oh, well!
Somehow, I get the feeling that there is more here than meets the eye, and often wondered if there were to different cases going on at the same time.. How they relate to each other, I don’t know.. I do believe the gun issue is separate from the Haleigh gone missing issue.. Yet, they seem to melt into one pot close to the same time… I want to believe that Haleigh is alive and well.. I haven’t seen anything yet that is believable enough to deem her as having passed.
If there were a struggle in the house, it would have shown up during the investigation of the house.. And I cannot get passed knowing that Female Deputy was at ron’s house before the 911 call was made.. But, I don’t believe she was looking for Haleigh, I think she was looking for misty… that would explain the Detectives comments about the call coming in at 2:15am, and would explain his statement that one of the grandma’s had come by to check on the kids earlier, and he stated point blank it was Teresa Neves.. Only in his statement had or has that ever come out of PCSO. Thought he made a mistake when he had the interview, but he wouldn’t make a mistake about those details.. Conclusion, if misty wasn’t there when the Female deputy went to the house, then where was she and when did she arrive?? Confusion….
mlee said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
You know I had a wild thoughts about that weapon, where did ron actually acquire it?? Wouldn’t you need a permit to own such a weapon??
If Joe is/was allegedly involved in criminal activity in Tenn, was his reason to come to florida a bit more than to visit family, was his intent to bring anything to florida and possible return with something he shouldn’t..
There seems to be more to the story about the weapon and the fight and the actual day it occurred.. was reported to have occurred on Sunday night.. A fight was overheard by a local, at tommys.. spilled out onto the street.
First it was told, and then ron denied it, then it was suppose to have occurred weeks prior, yet joe had only been there 9 days..
and then ron sent misty to tommys to find it and then she found it under the board in the drainage ditch.. this is not a small weapon..
So many tales.. so hard to figure the truth..
So, the wild thought that came about..
Was it possible that joe brought the weapon to sell for things, and the transaction went south, if the person acquiring the weapon couldn’t obtain the things.. yet already had possession of the weapon?? And Joe was trying to obtain it back?? Boy may not have wanted to go home empty handed.. After all if we are going to be playing in their version of Alice and Wonderland, we can have wild thoughts..
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The gun in the ditch was a 9MM Beretta handgun , not some machine gun. The machine gun started out as a deer rifle(which it is)which even Werter said it was to a machine gun which comes from Gma Hollars and no one else and for which everyone takes as fact. On a article the other day it said a semi automatic machine gun for which there is no such thing.
Machines guns are hard to acquire, you need a permit and to pay a tax. LE took Ron’s guns that morning and returned them to him days later, so they were all legal guns.
tobias said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
I believe if she was abducted and someone took her out in public she would not look like Haleigh…
I would think that, too. On the other hand, why not be sure? If that child (the one in the report the unmentionable has on his site) is not HaLeigh, then who is she? Put it to rest like the Our Maddie look-alike in England or the Kyron look-alike(s) in Portland/Vancouver. Better to have it out there and be done with it.
Well, since we have heard that it was both, a handgun and a machine gun aka automatic weapon, and both are call Beretta.. and none of us have ever seen the weapon.
Is it this:
http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af169/mlees99/Picture38.jpg
or is it this:
http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af169/mlees99/99-hero.jpg
Thanks Vaquera. I am just a bit confused as when I read the transcript of N. Grace’s show from April of this year, Chelsea said she lived more than 3 or 4 miles from Tommys. Google map gives the milage at around 4.8 miles. She also said in the same interview she asked Tommy to borrow the car that night so by that statment it would make a person wonder when exactly did she have that van in light of previous activities. Doesnt matter if it was 1/10 of a mile or 10 miles, I do not see any of them walking the distance back. Just too many misleading statements out there, not by posters but by some of the family members.
Vaq, Have you looked at John Wayne Barton docket? Shew weeee how many times can a guy get caught and get out of charges? Way too strange on the recent one too. Let me know if you see a name I see on that last docket. JMO
aNOTHER STRANGE OCCURANCE LATELY WAS THE BIG GUN BUST IN gEORGIA WHERE GUESS WHO ( cHUCK iNGRAM) WAS ARRESTED FOR A GUN VIOLATION AND IS HELD IN CUSTODY OF THE fEDS. jmo
The reason I look at other outside the loop people is we need to see what was going on around this group and who they were involved with. We know some of the names because they are said to be friends or known to the ones in jail. jmo
tobias & vaq, is the John Wynn Barton docket the one(s) in Putnam County?
this one tobias
542009MM003778XXAXMX 10/15/2009
Defendant: BARTON, JOHN WAYNE
Alias: BARTON, WAYNE JOHN
it’s was a beretta 9MM which is a handgun, that’s only been said about 1000 times in the last 18 months
Sure is. I about fell out of my computer chair.
This guy is such a bad seed, and he gets off on everything he gets busted for. jmo
Misty said she had visited this guy with Ron and he is Rons friend, guess Ron has some really bad ass friends. jmo
OT, noticed that Joshua Imm is no longer in St. John’s County Detention Center, he also is not in Putnam County Detention Center. His docket does not show that he has been released, wonder where he is.
tobias, how can i find this john wynn/wayne barton docket? County? TIA.
LS, He is in St. Johns.
PUTNAM COUNTY JAIL LOGS THEN GO TO LINKS THEN GO TO CLERK OF COURTS THEN GO TO ONLINE DOCKETS CRIMINAL DOCKETS USE % IN FIRST 2 SLOTS LAST NAME % AND IT COMES UP. hOPE i GOT IT RIGHT. JMO
hope I helped you I have to leave now I have to get up early for work. Talk to ya all in the morn/afternoon PRAY FOR HALEIGH TO BE FOUND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. PEACE….
tobias, thanks for the info, i find barton, john wynn, 2 diff records in putnam county. One record shows dealing in stolen property and POSSESSION OF WEAPON OR AMMO BY CONVICTED FLA FELON; then CONTEMPT OF COURT VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE & BATTERY TOUCH OR STRIKE.
These are the ones you and vaq are discussing?
Goodnight and Peace.
tobias, I just checked St. Johns (twice) and Imm is not show up.
LadieSadie do you know if the Ryan Cummings in the Franklin Correctional Institute with Tommy Croslin is related to Ronald Cummings?
per vinelink
Offender Name: JOSHUA TROY IMM
Offender ID:SJSO10MNI022035
Date of Birth:01/17/1984
Age:26
Custody Status:In Custody
Location of Offender:ST. JOHNS COUNTY JAIL
Race:White
Gender:Male
Vaq, do you know if this Ryan is related to Ronald per my post@ 8:47pm
Never heard the name before, lookinb
So many theories on this list, it makes a person’s head spin. It would help if we paid attention to the facts.
1. The machine gun. It was a machine gun, fully automatic, WWII vintage and is now in the possession of PCSO. It does exist.
2. Tommy lies, Misty lies. Nothing new there. But Tommy as said for well over a year that Joe went over to the MH to get that machine gun that night. It wasn’t until April that indicated he was present at the MH the same time Joe was there. Remember, Joe was leaving the next day. What better opportunity to steal a machine gun from Ron when he’s leaving town the next day? Actually I think he left the same day but I might be mistaken about that.
3. Black bag opinion. MIsty says a bag. Tommy says no bag. I think Misty might have seen Joe carrying a coat or something else and mistook it for a bag. Tommy has been very clear that he saw Haleigh lying on the back seat of the van, not moving. No bag. I think Misty is mistaken about what she saw.
4. Shell Harbor. Misty and Tommy did not ride together to and from the dock. They did ride together once from the St. Johns County jail to the FDLE office. I’m sure their conversation in the back seat was monitored by the officers transporting them. Other than that they have not had contact with each other since their arrests.
5. TexasMommy and the Sex Offender theory. Good theory. Wrong sex offender. You’re thinking of “registered sex offenders.” How about someone that has not yet been convicted. Joe Overstreet has been accused twice of sexually molesting two other 5 year old girls. Sex Offender theory works, you just have to pick the right one. And those are the ones we know about. Quote from Misty to Chelsea, “Nobody knows what Joe has done to me.”
6. Padilla doesn’t know crap about this case. Timmy was with his dad Hank Sr. in a car accident. He was passed out on pain meds (well no surprise there, pain meds, imagine that?) because of the traffic accident when their car was totaled. Hank Sr was in the hospital with LIsa at his side. Not likely either Hank Sr or Timmy got up in the middle of the night and made a run over to Misty’s MH. Get a life Padilla, get the facts.
7. There were no phone calls from Misty that night. No calls for help to come dispose of a body. The” Haleigh overdosed” theory is bull.
8. There was a call from Tommy to Joe Overstreet earlier in the evening where they agreed to meet later, around midnight, and go over to the MH. That’s the only call that the PCSO can’t account for and I just told you what it was about.
9. Misty buried the body. Well, the place was pretty well searched by PCSO, Tim Miller, cadaver dogs, police dogs and everybody else. Sorry, can’t believe that Misty disposed of the body anywhere around the MN.
10. Misty went to TN and wasn’t afraid of Joe. Well, she did go to TN. I don’t think we know if she was afraid of Joe or not, but Joe threatened to harm her only if she ratted him out. As long as she kept her mouth shout she had nothing to fear from him.
Okay, that’s my review of the few “facts” we have. Actually I have a bit more but it can wait until Sunday’s show.
Werter is still opening his pie hole..now he wants immunity for Tommy..
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24693288/index.html
I do have a few more to share.
11. Misty heard Haleigh screaming. Probably did. Ronald Jr probably did too. Tommy, nodded out the couch on Oxys and Xanex woke up when he heard “some commotion” from Halieghs’ room. Oxys and Xanex in combo cause memory loss. Tommy is fuzzy about some of the details. Haleigh was dead before she left the trailer. Person’s saying she was alive at the dock don’t know crap.
12. Blag bag, on more time. If Joe or anyone is going through a body in the river, a black garbage bag is the last thing you’d want to use. It would preserve the body and increase the likely hood of it floating to the surface sooner, trapping the gases etc. Did they even have black plastic garbage bags in the house? If not then what, Joe just conjured up a black bag out of nowhere. Not likely he came prepared to kill Haleigh.
13. Fact. Joe did not like Haleigh and Haleigh did not like Joe. He starts molesting her while Misty is sitting in another room and he has to silence her. No evidence that he shot her or cut her throat there, so what did he do. He strangled her. No facts to physical facts to support that so that is my only unsupported theory. I’m allowed one.
Joe has been accused of molesting 2 girls? Where did they come from and can it be substantiated?
Its a hard, actually a tough story to believe. Too many things don’t add up. However it should weigh heavy on an actual abductors conscience to set her free.
I posted this on the newest entry, but it might beof interest here, since you are still discussing Tommy’s story-
the latest from Werter
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24693288/index.html
I personally think JO is a psycho. Whether he did it or not, I think he is definitely out there and capable of some crazy stuff. Misty, if raped by him, etc (which I believe she was), may have victim mentality.
If this started as a child, she could of been brainwashed or shamed or anything. There are many cases that prove the victims try to keep things normal because they try to deny what happened. Maybe she suffers from Panic disorder and PTSD? I personally think she has dissociative disorder and that is the reason none of this came out.
She had extreme guilt. She didnt’ want to rat out her brother. Hank and Lisa would never believe her…they never did before when she told them what he did. She most likely didn’t want to rat out JO because he had a mental control over her or had her believing that something bad would happen if she ever told (we hear that all the time with children). The shock and trauma of the whole situation was probably too much…maybe JO told her he would kill Haleigh the minute she said anything. She was convinced.
Who knows, but it could explain some things if Misty is telling the truth now. ???
Funny you should mention number 1, GB. Art wrote an article today saying a source close to the investigation said the same thing as you did. PCSO denied any machine gun Cummings had was in their possession and Greenwood said “News to me”.
I just have this question..if JO is indeed the culprit (and I could buy it if indeed he has molested children in the past like GeorgiaBoy has stated) then why hasn’t PCSO taken this seriously? Why hasn’t he been interrogated at the extent that Tommy and Misty have? Why hasn’t he been extradited to Florida for suspicion of abduction/murder? Kim Picazio has even stated (on this blog) that she has more information on JO than any other person in this case. You have two witnesses (though Tommy and Misty’s drug histories have some downfalls to their credibility) that have pointed the finger at JO. You have FLo Hollars (credibility issues too) who says he has acted strangely and out of character since he came back from his trip to TN. He has been free for over 18 months, so if he did this, why hasn’t LE did something to put him behind bars? That is what holds me back from buying the “Joe did it” theory. JMO
I meant trip for FL–sorry
GeorgiaBoy – in your post above you do not mention RC.Do you have any thoughts regarding him? TIA
How do you know all this, GeorgiaBoy? Do appreciate it but do want to know your sources.
GeorgiaBoy said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
So many theories on this list, it makes a person’s head spin. It would help if we paid attention to the facts.
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Morning GeorgiaBoy,
LMAO, do you know how many times that has been said and then there is a debate of what is believed to be fact and of course what everyone would like to be fiction.
Enjoyed your post.
I am curious about your opinion of the scent trail the dogs followed that morning. I have a hard time believing that Joe and TC or even Misty committed this crime because of the scent trail evidence and many other reasons. IMO if it was TC and JOE why not park out front of the MH? Why go through the woods and then back out on to a more secluded part of Green Jane? I know Joe is not from that area, but, I am sure he knew that Tyler was the first street to the right after leaving the Cummings MH on Green lane. See as much as we all would like it to fit the Croslin’s and cousin Joe as the guilty; it makes no sense with the evidence we do know about.
IMO the act of taking HaLeigh into those woods and then back to a more secluded area of Green Lane suggests that it was not a welcomed and well known family member. Even if Joe and TC where going to steal a gun from Ron’s home I do not believe they would of needed a vehicle since TC lived just a few MH away nor do I believe they would of even thought to park at the end of Green Lane in seclusion.
I agree with Tobias. After all, tommy has already been arrested for trying to steal a gun before. What a perfect opportunity to steal it and then Ron would think JO took it and he is gone. I also agree…how did Tommy get home if JO took the van? If he was so high, he walked 4 miles home? Where were his kids while Lindsy was at school?
I believe that Tommy went to steal the gun and Timmy was with him which is why Misty won’t tell the truth. I don’t think she will tell on Timmy. Her father already turned on her when she said TOmmy was involved..if she said both brothers did it, the family would turn on her and she would have no one. As disfuntional as it is, that is the only family she knows. Also, I think Chelsea is full of it about the pills all over the house (tommy said the same thing…strange). NO pill addict is going to leave pills around the house so someone else can get them!
I also wonder if TC was so drugged out was he able to take that walk into the woods with Joe and HaLeigh or did he just wait in the Van?
Misty wold not go to TN for 10 days for a visit if she was so desparately afraid of Joe.
Vaq, I have always heard the vintage machine gun has never surfaced. It would be something if it really does.
Vaq, I forgot to put the last name in for you last night. A friend sent me a pic of a Ryan Cummings he is incarcerated in the Franklin Correctional Institute with Tommy Croslin. I was wondering if he was Rons relative. They do have similarities.
IMO There are so many reasons to question Misty’s and Tommy’s story. 18 months is a long time to collaborate and embellish a story to convince others of ones guilt and or innocence.
I keep going back to TC’s visit with Lindsey the evening after his LDT. TC and LC conversation is very interesting IMO. IMO his LDT was the backbone to this story (lindsey’s words not mine)and it obviously involved $ for lindsy. Apparently TC didn’t do what LC wanted him to do and now she is broke and it is all on her. April 1 and 5ths conversations with TC where quite different. In fact LC had enough money to buy some beer, but, all of a sudden it is TC fault she is broke? Take a listen guys again to the April 8 jail tape and tell me if I am wrong. $$$$$$$$ seems to make a few people jump through hopes. I wonder what SKB was going to really do with that reward money he was claiming he deserved.
hoops LOL
Is $30,0000 enough for a lie?
This case is so confusing. If there really was a fist fight with Ron and Joe why would Ron deny it? Hank Sr said he had to pull Ron off of him. Misty had the moment police arrived to tell her story to LE and Joe would have never left Putnam County. Neither She or Tommy would have had to be afraid of Joe at all.
I agree that Haleigh was deceased before she left that mh. According to little Jr. Haleigh did not wake up and made no noise when the man in black took her. jmo
Just a theory
Just listening to the info coming out tells me this is bogus. There has to be more.
We started hearing this info strolling out in April 2009. I do not think now that Haleigh was thrown in the river. I think she could be buried somewhere.I cannot get past the fact that Misty Croslin would Have her grandmother Flo Hollars call AS and give them the info of the story that she and Tommy are trying so hard to corroborate about Joe Overstreet. I sat and thought about what they could be looking for going out into the woods all afternoon per AS on NG. Perhaps it is a memorial marker. To mark the area where Haleigh could be resting. It needed to be removed before LE went to search.They can give Ron the info and now we hear the machine gun does exist. Ron gives up the gun;it begins to corroborate Tommy and Mistys story. Misty gets off due to her claim that she feared for her life and kept quiet. Tommy I think will get time for accessory to felony murder,but maybe not. Ron he was at work. He gets nothing.Little Jr is too young and they cannot count on his recollection. Joe gets charged with first degree murder and goes down for Haleighs death. I do not how Haleigh died, but I do think it was an accident. This was not an intentional act, but an innocent person may go down for it if they can give enough supporting evidence to LE to show it was Joe.This is just my theory.
Georgia boy,
that is not a theory. for it to be a therory,there must be SOME evidence to support it. The is none-for anything you have written. JO has not been named a person of interest, or a suspect in the case. he too has a reputation that is being torn apart by “theories”. We would not want people blogging such horrendous things about us—it stays on the internet forever and can ruin a persons chance of getting a job, etc., and it is not right to write such horrible things about JO, taking the word of a lying drug addict/dealer desperate to get out of jail.
WE have all Had Theory’s of what if, and what could have happened that Monday night..
If you run back over the voice analysis and right off the bat he of course ask her how she knew Haleigh.. and she said, she’s my husbands daughter, and that she had known her a year.
That came out as In Accurate.. Confusing to say the least..
Then he ask her to talk about the Day Haleigh disappeared.. And she responded that it was the 9th or 10th and she didn’t know the time..
That came out probably false for both Date and time statement..
Now, my thoughts about what she knows and doesn’t know.. She puts this info out, as she has put many different versions out about that night.. To Date, she has never passed a truth testing.. Are they asking the wrong questions, I wondered.. are they asking the same questions over and over again.. knowing she would give the same response or close to it?? Does misty really know anything about that night and why not??
If they were so messed up on drugs, how in this world could they maneuver around to do the things that have been claimed they did, and be so darn sober when pcso shows up?? That one confuses me… Pills have a lifetime in the system.. even for druggies..
And then we have a little three year old, who was suppose to be present during this entire episode, or episodes per say.. He is not in shock, he is not overwhelmed with terror or emotions, he is not screaming, and running to protect his sissy, that he is so close to..
The neighbors do not hear any commotion until they think they hear misty on the phone outside around 2:30am..
Now, it can’t be both ways.. it either happened or didn’t happen..
But there is criteria it must meet to have occurred.. Screaming, Crying, vehicles all attract attention, especially at night where sound travels so easily and not buffered by the day time noises… This isn’t there.. no signs of physical violence at the house.. No evidence, no dna..
What’s wrong with this picture?
When is the last time anyone in this group has picked up a fighting, screaming, kicking, hitting 5 year old.. Now, try putting that in a plastic bag.. I assure you it would take more than one person and that child would tear that bag to sheds getting out. Little fingers and toes work real well.. And children who are terrified have an overwhelming strength.. Terrified adults have been able to pick up cars.. Don’t ever underestimate a terrified child’s ability..
Now put these elements into the Story.. and suddenly it doesn’t seem plausible.
Ron is to appear in Court at 11 am this morning.
Thanks Texasmommy for the info on Rons court hearing. We are 10 minutes away.
Melee do not forget to mention in the hypnosis that the Hypnotist asked Misty for the accountability of the 10th of Feb,2009 and she gave him the accountability of Feb 9th,2009.
The casual way that people throw out accusations under the guise of a “theory” is appalling–for the person being accused-with NO evidence, NOTHING. i hope our jury system works better than this…
Hope someone can post about RC’s court appearance for those of us who have limited web access. TIA.
News4Jax just said on their live stream that Ronald pled guilty to 3 charges in exchange for being a witness FOR the state. Guess we can put that Ron did it in the trash now..
Haleigh’s Dad Pleads To Drug Charges
Girl Still Missing As 3rd Person Connected To Her Pleads To Unrelated Charges
POSTED: Friday, August 20, 2010
UPDATED: 12:02 pm EDT August 20, 2010
Ronald Cummings confers with his attorney in July as his trial was postponed pending a tentative plea agreement.
PALATKA, Fla. — The father of missing girl Haleigh Cummings pleads guilty to three of five drug trafficking charges against him and agreed to testify in any future trial criminal involving the disappearance of his daughter.
Video: Ronald Cummings To Plead
Cummings, along with his ex-wife, Misty Cummings, her brother, Hank Croslin Jr., and two other people were arrested after an undercover drug sting by St. Johns and Putnam County detectives. Misty Cummings and Croslin have pleaded no contest to charges. Croslin received a 15-year sentence and Cummings faces sentencing in October.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24700021/detail.html
Why would the State need to offerhim anything to testify against anyone who could be involved in Haleigh? He actually was thinking of refusing to testify? For his own flesh and blood? This stinks real bad, to me. jmo
I meant for the state in Haleigh’s case. Hard to be a witness for the state and a defendant too..
Ronald Cummings pleads guilty to three of the five drug charges. He has agreed to testify in any future trials in his missing daughters disappearance. He is to be sentenced in October.
Judge LaRue could still sentence him to consecutive terms Ron is not out of the woods yet. He could still get more than 15 years. jmo
No it doesn’t, tobias. It proves he was never involved in what happened to Haleigh. Nobody said he was refusing to testify.
I heard Marie/Crystal were there, they were interviewing with Dana Treen.
Can anyone say TEFRON? Yet again, I find it appauling that he used Haleigh as a bargaining chip. jmo
What would Ronald know about in Haleighs disappearance? He was at work.
I find it appalling too Tobias. Hope got 15 years on 1 trafficking charge and a possession charge. Ron had five counts and many priors. This is rediculous!
Hope had a crappy lawyer.Werter and Fields screwed their own clients plus the Croslins weren’t offered any plea deals, Ron was..take it up with the State’s Attorney if ya’ll don’t like how it went down.
Shoemaker said Cummings will testify at any upcoming trials and will continue to cooperate with the investigation of Haleigh’s case. The Croslins were arrested in the trafficking case with Cummings.
Cummings’ most valuable testimoney may be in the form of a timeline concerning the days and weeks leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance, Shoemaker said. Law enforcement officials have said Cummings is not a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance.
VAQ, And where did Ron get this lawyer?He may be pro bono but you can bet it is a favor for a certain person who has been in Rons corner on National news. Just saying it my opinion. jmo
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-08-20/story/ronald-cummings-pleads-guilty-drug-trafficking-case
I believe Ron was not directly involved but he was a catalist for the events leading up to this and I believe he with held info that caused it to be harder to solve. jmo
Cobra said he had Nancy Grace on speed dial iirc.
Ron got Terry when he was arrested for the fight with Tommy, on his own. Had not a damn thing to do with Nancy Grace.
That was recorded by cobra who wasn’t even around Putnam county in August, he recorded that in March when Art was there. That was around the time he got Snider, which Snider didn’t do much of anything.
I agree with that Tobias. It is like this machine gun now being brought up that just may exist and is allegedly in the hands of the PCSO. After long 18 months it suddenly appears. The fact that this said gun can help corroborate Tommy and Mistys story. Ron was at work. If he found out after the fact why did he not report it to LE? Why wait until they all are facing stiff prison sentences to come out with info. Why would Misty insist that G.Hollar call AS with the info of the search and what was being said behind bars from Misty and Tommy. The story was Haleigh was dumped in the water, so why were they searching the woods? Something just is not right!
This deal proves only one thing, that Ron will testify on the time line. He used Haleighs case as a bargaining chip to get less time on his drug charges. Thats all it proves. jmo
tobias, TIA re Ron withholding information and making it harder to solve. Didn’t want negative stuff about drugs and guns getting out about him, imho.
lfJ, maybe AS & TN hoped they could find something of HaLeigh’s that she lost in the struggle? Just a guess.
Posted: Friday, 20 August 2010 12:06PM
Ronald Cummings Pleads Guilty to Three of 5 Drug Charges in Plea Deal
TJ Hart
Ronald Cummings withdrew his not guilty plea in the drug trafficking cases against him Friday morning.
Prosecutors agreed to drop two of the five cases against Cummings, and he entered a guilty plea in the other three.
One of the cases carries a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison, with a 10-year max.
The other two have minimums of 10 years each with maximums of 30.
Ronald Cummings is slated to be sentenced Sept. 24.
Cummings, the father of Haleigh Cummings who has been missing since February of 2009, was arrested on the drug trafficking charges with four others in a drug sting back in January.
Cummings’ ex-wife and babysitter the night the child vanished from their Satsuma home, Misty Croslin, was among those arrested in the sting.
Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Cummings’ daughter Haleigh was in the courtroom, joined by several family members.
A blogger at RadioNewz Blog claims Sheffield and her mother were seen outside the Putnam County courthouse this morning pointing at Lisa Croslin, the mother of Misty Croslin, who was standing near a bus stop at that time.
Sheffield and her other were also seen at the St. Johns County courtroom earlier this week where Misty Croslin enter her plea to a drug charge in that county.
Cate, Joe allegedly took Haleigh after placing her in a black bag down to the dock and threw her in the river. The struggle would have been at the MH. What were they looking for in the woods? This has me stumped.
Or the black bag that was probably what held the gun before Ron took it to a different hiding place. He worried more about that gun getting stolen than his kids. Thats why he said what he did in the video. They stole her and shes not like a object. (CANT REMEMBER THE REAL WORDING BUT YOU GET MY MEANING).JMO
PCSO said they don’t have any machine gun of Ron’s.
Cate I forgot to mention it has been reported that Haleigh died in the MH and now it is being reported due to strangulation. Haleigh was allegedly deceased before she was taken to Shell Harbour to be disposed of.
tobias, Really good point about when RC compared HaLeigh to a pair of shoes, I think it was.
PCSO may not be revealing that info, but it does not mean they do not have it.
My guess is that Misty might have told what happened much sooner, and probably Tommy, too, but Ronald threatened them, too, because he didn’t want the “negative press” about his involvement in guns and drugs.
lfJ, good point about the gun. And as for TN and AS down by the river, to give them the benefit of the doubt, regardless of what happened, they were hoping to find some momento of HaLeigh’s. (To not give them the benefit of the doubt, they were making sure nothing that would look bad on Ron was still there?)
Art got a quote from Greenwood sayings “news to me” they denied having a machine gun. Apparently Art was fed the same info from some ‘source close to the investigation’ so he called PCSO to confirm.
Cate, I would hate to think that. Haleigh should of been more important to him than drugs and guns. This is his daughter! He should of wanted Justice for her instead of worrying about bad press against him. I am sure Ron knew if those factors came out that he would have lost Jr. awhile ago, but he ended up doing that anyways because of his love for drugs. NOw what does he have? jmo
lfJ, I have compassion for RC but his behavior suggests to me…, even though I hate to think it, too.
I agree with you on making sure nothing looked bad on Ron, but what about Haleigh!! Tell me their thoughts were not well lets get Ron out of this mess and then we will worry about Justice and a proper burial for our granddaughter, who we know is deceased.
lfJ, Yep, their priorities are messed up… sad, very sad.
Remember I posted about a month ago the memory that stuck out in my mind of TN? It will never leave my mind! The media camera was on her the morning of the 10th of February. The tears coming down her face and she was gently swaying back and forth saying” I can hear her screaming”, meaning Haleigh. Did she already know about this horrid, tragic story and that her granddaughter was deceased; not missing.
The clip of Ron down on the ground clutching Haleighs picture saying” I would give anything for my childs life back”.
lfJ, I tend to think their thoughts went something like, “Losing HaLeigh is bad enough, we need sympathy, not criticism.”
I do not know the real story, but I do not believe it was Joe Overstreet who committed this crime against Haleigh.jmo
Cate, it has been 18 months and if they knew from day one that their daughter/granddaughter was deceased and led the Nation into believing that she was kidnapped then there can be no sympathy, because they had a lifestyle they did not want revealed. Remember I said ‘ IF’. They should of just came off the truth!
Tobias @ 12:15 You said, “They stole her and shes not like a object. (CANT REMEMBER THE REAL WORDING BUT YOU GET MY MEANING).”
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Yes I get your meaning and I think it’s the polar opposite of what he actually meant. Stealing a person, a child is NOTHING like stealing an object. THAT would have been okay with him in comparison to stealing his child.
I do not understand the need to continue to work so hard to skew this to be R’s fault and also to blame TN and AS. Why would their searching in woods have to do with covering up for R? How about they were looking for signs of Haleigh? Which anyone would do.
Geesh.
mercy and justice aren’t mutually exclusive; if they obstructed justice and it can be proven then they should be prosecuted but i can still feel sympathetic toward them
also, probably TN and AS didn’t have the full story from RC, just knew that there were certain ways that things needed to be represented.
i think ron acted the way that he did because, in part, he knew his drugs and guns caused haleigh’s death.
lfj, Point in case Ron married Misty because he was getting bad press etc. for being with a 17 year old, Geraldo was onto him about the drugs, and the rat in the mail box came after the fight and phone harassment from the Croslins who were getting close to probably telling what they knew. But it would also implicate them. jmo
ITA Tobias
Misty knows all of this too and thats why she was protected in the beginning. Now that her credibility is shot they dont have to worry about anything she says about Ron. She is a liar no matter what she says. jmo
You are right again Tobias! ‘If’ LE does persue Joe Overstreet for murder charges Ron will be testifying against Joe O,murder one and Tommy Croslin for accessory to felony murder, Right? Misty will more than likely get nothing.
I am curious about this time line. Ron only saw Joe twice. The day he supposedly stole the gun and the day they got into a fight or arguement at Hanks( which Ron denied happened on video) So what other events happened in that time line???? jmo
That is a very good question? You have to ask why to questions in order to find the answers.jmo
The biggest problem is there will never be a trial for Ron to testify in since there is not enough evidence to arrest anyone including Joe.
If there was they would have done it. jmo
True Tobias
LE may be waiting until all these drug charges are taken care of before they convene a Grand Jury regarding the Haleigh case. We really don’t know what all they have in the way of evidence. JMO
Right, Granny 23! We don’t know what LE has in the way of evidence since they have been so tight lipped.
new article about Lisa talking?
A 140 lb man smothering or choking a 40 lb little girl who is half asleep or even awake would not be hard, imo.
I don’t think anyone was trying to cram an alive and kicking child into a bag, if there was a bag.
I still think tc did it and misty knows it. They blame joe because it was easy to do.
All, imo.
jaba, But if GeorgiaBoy is right, and it really sounds like he knows what he is talking about, then the two priors of JOs clench it, imho.
tobias said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:49 am
VAQ, And where did Ron get this lawyer?He may be pro bono but you can bet it is a favor for a certain person who has been in Rons corner on National news. Just saying it my opinion. jmo
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LOL! Nancy Grace did NOT get Terry Shoemaker for Ronald! Terry and Brandon Beardsley both took Ronald’s case pro bono (they are from the same firm). They are friends with another attorney involved in this case, and that is how they became involved. It had absolutely nothing to do with NG.
Cate (aka Kate)wrote:
My guess is that Misty might have told what happened much sooner, and probably Tommy, too, but Ronald threatened them, too, because he didn’t want the “negative press” about his involvement in guns and drugs.
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My thoughts exactly!
All they would have to do as investigators is hook Cousin Joe up to a polygraph and ask him if he gave Haleigh away to another man to settle a debt that Cousin Joe had with the man.
I personally think that was the case and that Haleigh is still alive in Texas living with the man who was with Cousin Joe that night at the Cummings residence.
Of course, I only get this information from shamanism so what would I know, right? If she were deceased I would know about it.
Have a good night. Hope the LE can get this done sometime soon.
TexasMommy asked about my opinion of the the dogs and the alleged scent trail they followed. My understanding is that one set of dogs went one way and the other set went a different direction, but I don’t know.
I do know that Haleigh’s scent would have been all over that yard as she lived there and played in the yard. The afternoon of the evening she disappeared she was riding her big wheel, doing wheelies in the front yard when the air conditioning man was there. This was while Tommy and Misty were out front sitting under a tree. So her scent would be all over.
I don’t put much stock in whatever direction the dogs might have gone. If Haleigh was in fact taken in the van then her scent when she left would have been down the ramp at the “back door” (really a side door) and to the van. After that it would have been gone. However, it has been said that some dogs can follow the scent for a ways even if the person being sought is in a car. I don’t know.
As for her footprints in the yard? Well, yeah, she lived and played in that yard.
And Cate aka Kate said, “Still, too wierd that Greenwood’s PCSO statement ends with “all we want to do is bring HaLeigh home.”
Very weird. Makes me wonder what Greenwood was smoking.
vaquera said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:20 am
I meant for the state in Haleigh’s case. Hard to be a witness for the state and a defendant too..
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Not at all, the wife/mother of the two men in Georgia that repeatedly raped and killed a little boy while she sat by and watched and did nothing to help was a witness for the state and a defendant at the same time.
This bunch has changed their stories more times than they change underware. I am with Nancy Grace on this one—-I too am sick of reading news reports on their next “story”-none of which can be cooberated.
Afraid of Joe???? did Misty LOOK afraid???? at ANY of her interviews??? did Misty look afraid when she was hanging posters of Haliegh with Joe? Why not scream it out to the world what happened to Haleigh? Call 911 and tell what happened. WHY LIE AND LIE AND LIE AND LIE…..and WHY IN THE WORLD would Tommy go along and dispose of the body, under that scenario??? NOTHING makes sense and if it does not make sense–IT IS NOT TRUE.
oh…and this “we can pick tiny pieces of the truth from their lies” and learn more about what happened to haleigh is ABSOLUTE BS. WHAT DO YOU BELEIVE out of all the lies? How can you be sure that what you believe is actually the truth????? do you believe only what you want to believe? is that a truth or a lie??? how do you know???? without a body or hard evidence— we will never know what is truth and what are lies
i think they where all at that party and Haleigh got a few pills and ate them she died then Misty and Tommy did something with the body and they are blaming Joe, i think they should talk to the people at the party that said Haleigh got into the party bowl, i think joe was at the party to maybe but i think he left before it all happend Misty didnt answear her phone she was too busy getting rid of the body and she couldnt tell Ron the truth because she was to babysit at home in the begining didnt tommy say he went to the house and she was not home that night? then changed his story?
and remmeber the dogs got a sent at the dumpster of a body
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