We know per history repeating itself in this case, full of forks in the road, that when PCSO makes official statements and INSISTS ITS THE TRUTH: translation: not. Think opposite, but it’s been hopefully true in this incident.

I still say this is all so Joe thinks he is off the hook and their just waiting for him to get sloppy and confident.

Misty had a phone, she used it to talk with Ron at 8:30 and later to call 911 while Ron used his to call TN. No way she can claim her phone didnt work or wasnt there. jmo

Ronfan–Glad to see you back and posting. You have been missed.

Granny23–Why do I find that not hard to believe? With the last interview with Flo, you would think JVM would learn. What could Flo possibly add that she hasn’t said all ready? I read recently IIRC correctly that she is estranged from both sides of the family–Overstreets and Croslins–so I highly doubt she has any more inside knowledge that she failed to spill. JVM should have known better than to air this wild speculative story to the general public–add Flo’s embellishments–on Haleigh’s birthday. Shame on her! What despicable media whores these people have turned out to be! YUCK!

Granny 23 said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

JVM has Granny Flo on right now-and she’s added embellishments to her former story.
This is all so insane!
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Just like her grandkids and their ever changing stories. Every time Flo is on she embellishes the story even more..

Now she said Joe had sold Ron’s pistol and they had to retrieve it..hello it was in Tommy’s culvert, it wasn’t sold to anyone.

Still, too wierd that Greenwood’s PCSO statement ends with “all we want to do is bring HaLeigh home.” Did it somehow slip his mind that they have declared this a homicide and canceled the Amber alert?

And what happened to Joe putting Misty up with a knife and raping her? Maybe that part was the dream and the taking HaLeigh is the reality part?

Ronfan, Greenwood seems to think she is still alive and can “come home,” lol.

I also think it’s intesting that greenwoods statement said that everyone is a suspect except for the childs parents…(or something of that nature) okay so does this mean that the sheffields are still under investigation, and are suspect?

Hi methinks! So happy someone else is here :).

Cate, I missed the “I didn’t have a phone” thing too.

I think the “I don’t have a phone” is just speculation with this article. I don’t think Fields ever stated this in his story. I think it came when Simon asks why Misty did not call 911 immediately after JO left with Haleigh. JMO

Hello everyone…

I loved the video for HaLeigh.. thank you for sharing that.. it makes me so so sad…

Happy Birthday, sweetness…

JABA: NO, I didn’t!!! I completely missed that, but all I can say is YES!!!

Thanx, I guess I better read slower, got ahead of myself there!!

Surely Fields doesn’t believe his client? I am wondering why he is floating this nonsense around..The only thing added to this old story is the black bag…Jr. would have heard a screaming Haleigh, and nothing has been mentioned that he heard anything except a squeaky couch, and a man dressed in black..The tales are so convoluted, the truth will be almost impossible to decipher.. IMO

Ronfan, Yes, so sorry to hear about your son’s friend, and it sounds certainly like your friend, as well. Peace be with you and yours and with his family as well.

Cate, why would Misty’s attorney (Fields) float this horrible story if she actually said something else?

LadySadie, I don’t really have any idea, just brainstorming. I guess I was thinking something along the lines of smokin’ ’em out. Like put out this terrible story so that they have to throw up their hands in surrender. Okay, here is a better way to explain it, forcing their hand. IF she was kidnapped by known persons, they are forced to either play along with this horrible scenario or give in and tell the truth.

how did she see anybody put her into a black bag if she was hiding under the covers in another room? (on a few other websites it says she saw joe put haleigh into a bag yet she says she was hiding under the covers cause she was scared. im a little confused

It is my opinion Fields was too touchy feely with Misty today in court. Don’t have the video at my fingertips but to me what he did was totally inappropriate. These lawyers working this case appear to be bottom of the barrel.

If she was so scared why didn’t she call Ron immediately, and tell him someone took Haleigh? That’s not my definition of “scared”.
Her 911 call was controlled, not hysterical, as one would think in that situation…I don’t think Misty was the key player in Haleigh’s disappearance, but I think she knows who was, and is protecting that person.

Sorry, misty didn’t say she didn’t have a phone to call. It was just speculation as to the reason why jo would have left her with a phone. It’s all crap in my book. sorry for the misunderstanding. night all. God bless Haleigh and all of you guys too.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=587248836001#/News /Attorney%3A+Croslin+Heard+Haleigh+Being+Abducted%3B+Balloon+Rele/50619441001/50624658001/587248836001

LadySadie, maybe you could direct us to the interview with Crystal S.? Is it a transcript/news report or a video?

Marta, yes, the only “I’m scared” behaviors that Misty exhibited appear to be those of a cover-up… clean the place up and put dirty laundry in the dryer. I suppose I could stretch and understand Misty as not trusting LE of any sort and not calling for help because she feels guilty or or or, there isn’t much of a way to make sense of it, really.

I’ll try to post the link one more time, LOL, maybe it will go thru (make sure to take out the spaces)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com /video /default.aspx?bctid=587248836001#/News/Attorney%3A+Croslin+Heard+Haleigh+Being+Abducted%3B+Balloon+Rele/50619441001/50624658001/587248836001

ronfan, don’t quite get this, “Joe had him outside talking (threatening him).” Could you explain, or point me to the source?

Good point about Misty and Tommy being afraid of what Ron might do… speaking of which, let’s say for a moment that the “Joe did it” story is more or less true, how about that RAT IN TOMMY’S MAILBOX, how does that fit in now?

This is total BS, Misty let Joe do this and then left him go back to Timmys(who she claims to love) who has a pregnant wife and kids? And he is supposedly crazy? She doesnt call Timmy immediatly after he leaves to warn him about Joe? She doesnt call Ron, LE or anyone? What does she do? Did she just sit there and wait on Ron? If she was afraid of what Ron would do she would have been on the phone to LE with lightening speed to get their protection. This story just doesnt float. jmo

tobias, I certainly agree that it doesn’t make sense for Misty to let Joe go back to Timmy’s, who, like you say, she claims to love and be tight with, with the two kids there— GIRLS, LITTLE GIRLS!!!!!!!

tobias, Although I could see Misty not calling LE, the idea that people like her don’t trust authority, but wait, that makes no sense, either. She was quick to call 911 when she was robbed in the parking lot and she was there to buy drugs!!

tobias, She didn’t quite just sit there and wait for Ron, she made the beds and put dirty laundry in the dryer? Covered up the scene? Although I suppose that might make some sense from the perspective that she felt responsible since she was supposed to be watching the kids and “let” this happen, and worse, Joe is her cousin.

Cate:

In the parking lot instance, she was very animated in her voice…more upset, and concerned than when she called 911 to report Haleigh missing..Did she know what happened to Haleigh before the 911 call? If we are to believe Fields, she did…If Misty told Fields the truth (her truth) in the beginning, why did she find it necessary to change her story so many times? No one in the Cummings/Croslin family are to be believed…IMO

Anyone know the latest on Lindsey, Tommy’s wife? Did they divorce? Did she move to Mass.? The last I heard she was supportive of him in his last court appearance.. TIA

LE has been all over Misty from the start of Haleigh going missing. If Misty knew anything she would have told LE just to get them off of her back. Misty would not protect JO. Misty is not afraid of JO. If Misty did see somebody take Haleigh, I doubt seriously it was JO. My gosh they through JO under the bus as soon as he left town, why not tell LE everything then, if she did indeed witness JO taking Haleigh.

And where is Jr in all of this? Under the sheet with Misty hiding while his sissy is screaming and being carried off? I doubt it. Jr would have told.

They are all getting a lot of time, why aren’t there attorneys encouraging them to just tell the truth. If they did something to Haleigh, doubtful they would get much more time then they are already getting. If they made up the story in order to get a deal to get out of jail, just say so, so that they can look for Haleigh and bring her home.

Just somebody, anybody, tell the damn truth!

MAM–So Werter is talking again? Fields spins this story today and Werter comes out of the woodwork tonight..Hmmm Does anyone not think it strange that all these stories are coming from the attorneys that are supposed to be defending their clients? I am not buying this and I find it highly suspicious that both of these attorneys are playing the same game–coming out with this story BEFORE their client’s sentencing. It sounds like both attorneys have sold their client’s down the river. Neither have did their client’s any favors–not in the justice system’s eyes nor the public either. Sad for sure and downright Ineffective counsel. Sorry I am not buying any of this. No attorney should be spinning a story to the media about Haleigh’s disappearance when it is supposedly separate from the drug trafficking charges. LE has claimed this time and time again and in the eyes of the law it should be totally separate. JMO

Ron has said he will kill anyone who took his daughter..He had his chance with Joe, and did nothing..Misty has claimed Joe was involved from the beginning..She and Ron were still together at that time..Are we to believe she didn’t tell Ron, her lover, confidante? I think he knew everything about Misty, and every move she made…Fields wants more time in the spotlight.. What he is saying has nothing to do with her drug charges..just more spin on old theories.. IMO

Misty mis led ron on to joe but gave the same ‘I was under the covers so I don’t really know it all except that joe did it’…or in so many words.

Jmo

Misty knows.

Tommy knows.

Imo

Now they can think about coming clean for the sake of doing so.

Although, there are plenty of murderers who never tell even when they are in the middle of an investigation.

Jr. has been used in this latest Misty theory. He wan’t old enough to lie about anything he knew. He would have already told of the screaming of Haleigh and being under the sheets/covers with Misty that night. Children tell the TRUTH.

Judithan–I agree. That’s why I do not buy this story. Jr would have heard Haleigh screaming (as Misty claims Haleigh was doing according to Fields). He would have told LE this. He would have told both parents this too and they in turn would have reported it early on in the media. JMO

OK. two illiterate drug addicts and dealers, one of whom was only 17 at the time, have eluded LE, FBI, FLD, PIs, media, etc for 18 months. If this is the case, Misty and Tommy are smarter than all of them.

Jnet–Well said and I agree.

i forgot something very important no more privlidges for the leader of the pack..justice for haleigh please

I don’t think any of these people are smarter than LE. I think LE are suffering from tunnelvision and they lost focus early on–the focus should have been Haleigh and finding what happened to her. Instead they took the words of several drug addicts/dealers to build a case–and I don’t mean just Misty and Tommy. This includes NayNay, WBG, and Amber Brooks as well. None of these people have been bastions of truth and none of these people have helped in bringing Haleigh home. All have spun a story or two and none of them have produced evidence to back up their claims. Many LE agencies in Florida, FBI, and a few PIs have not been able to solve this case or find Haleigh, so I have lost hope that Haleigh will be found, or that answers will be forthcoming. The answer to where Haleigh is will not be found until someone has a conscience or the public finds her by accident. JMO

JillF said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

I think this is interesting. Why say this? So is Theresa, Lindsay, Tommy, Timmy, Chelsea, Marie, Chad, Gma Hollers, etc… all considered persons of interest? I really believe they are saying this to get Misty to implicate Ron. JMO
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It’s not the first time it’s been said by PCSO but people just tend to gloss over it.

btw, wanted to say that everyone’s theories are extremely thought provoking and clever.
I’m really enjoying reading them, and definitely think it’s leading to something.

Can’t stop thinking about that VAN!!!
My God, seriously, didn’t they pull DNA or fingerprints, or even darn SHOE PRINTS, BUTT PRINTS, FABRIC, ANYTHING….I mean, really, are the folks of PCSO attempting to swear that they got nothing out of that search, or of the search of the infamous seized “maroon suv” REMEMBER, after they searched it, they refused to make ANY official statements concerning their findings; SOUND FAMILIAR? Just like when they interrogated good ole (self proclaimed innocent) Timmy and Chelsea. That follow up official statement reeked of the same smack: the PCSO had nothing to say “at this time”….
So, as the world turns, we know this: anytime PCSO says that, then it means BINGO!! They found something or someone that holds a clue.

***if there was a struggle, wouldn’t they have found hair, like Haleigh’s hair, so long, and so thick….IDK, seems weird that PCSO never mentioned even that.***

Goin’ night night!! Snugglin up with my precious 3yr old son, and thanking Dear God that I have my 22yr old son alive,well,and with me.

Marta said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

I’m not completely eliminating Timmy..Was he in Satsuma that night/morning? I heard he left the next day (out of state) in a rush..Very little has been said about him, so I assume he has been cleared..
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Joe left the next day, that was his planned time to go back to TN. Timmy/Chelsea moved in July 2-3 days after the baby was born.

When Art Harris came out with the letter by Misty to her brother’s wife the LE completely discredited it calling it hog wash. Shortly there after TC repeated the story with the exception of excluding himself as present when the child was allegedly murdered. The LE jumped all over it and validated TC’s version, it was the same one.

When LE had TC in jail on the gun charge when he told the story of knocking on the door and he left LE immediately took to the air waves to declare a witness to their theory. The reason TC slipped through their hands was because he told them what they needed to hear in order to make their version correct rather than being open to searching more versions to so they could do right by the child and that is tunnel vision. LE’s behaviour has been targeted at Misty with favoring pretty much every and any one else, with that said of course they do not have Misty’s trust. It’s not even a trust thing it’s a belief that one will be treated fairly which Misty has valid ground not to believe. When the Mother took to the air waves saying Misty knew more the LE immediately jumped on that. Yet they knew and know by just stomping around on this earth enough that in situations and groups of people like this what the Mother did was likely generated by revenge for not cooperating in some sort of crime. How do they expect to be seen as Moral and just and there fore capable of being fair and just if in their actions they sell out on any little window that satisfies their over abundant desire to generate hate towards Misty. It seems as though the writing on the wall just escapes them, this does not take a magician or super being just a person who in all instances and in his/her being is just and fair to all human life, just be descent.
This is such a tragedy because if these men had not come over this child would be OK. With their arrival and reign of terror several lives including Misty have been forever altered and taken away. It’s sad that this child was in this environment with persons of this character and addictions frequenting the home and that weight is on the Parents, the biological parents. It’s just sad on every level.

Hi Simon & Jan, I would love a piece on what happened with Hank Sr and Lisa in court today.

Great article, Simon! Love your sense of humor!

Misty has told so many versions that this one is laughable. She and Junior hid under the covers while someone put Haleigh in a black bag and she heard Haleigh screaming. (Per Jax4 TV)

Give me a break! With me, she has no credibility.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=163441&catid=3
First Coast News Fl
8-17-10

“Misty Croslin Attorney: Joe Overstreet Took Haleigh Cummings”

Dang it those videos show they were releasing Mylar balloons and ribbons tied to the balloons, grrrrrr! Well it was a nice gesture but now there will be fish and wild life harmed or killed because of this.

I find the lack of info on newer developments surprising after the abundant influx of it for so long
Why no details about Tommy since his sentencing? I am sure he is in a hurry to get to prison, and which one is he going to?

Why no details about their folks?
I would love to know if/why the crack charges were dropped and if so what are they doing in Daytona, I assume it is purely a courtesy to separate them from the kids?

Lynny – It is curious that since the Drug cases and the Haleigh case are “separate” that we still get so little info on the drug portion.

I have no idea why they were sent to Daytona. I, like you, must assume it is to keep everyone apart. If that is the case, they may run out of prisons in Florida at the rate this family is going! LOL

The Feds questioned JO in the very beginning and it was said back then that he was given a LDT. I really would question the ability of the FBI if they were indeed fooled by a 19 year old punk a day after committing the horrendous crime that Misty and TC described.

I do think that PCSO thought there plan to incarcerate Misty with the threat of an extremely long jail term would give them the info they needed to find out what happened to Haleigh. I think that plan has backfired.

With all of them now facing pretty much their entire adult life behind bars, what incentive do they have to say anything? If they have anything to say at all.

If the story was made up in an effort to get out of jail, they need to come clean about that fact so people will get back to searching for Haleigh.

WhyLie@9:44pm August 17th. AMEN!!!!!

And I don’t think Joe knows what happened or he would have already talked. The only way I can see him being involved is if he helped with the cover-up and that is why he’s staying quiet. But I think the focus should be on Misty and TC because they are the two who have changed their stories and seem to have the most to lose by telling the truth. In this instance, perhaps, the truth will NOT set them free! So they’ll be content to do their time for the drugs and blame LE for their situation. Will come out of prison with chips on their shoulders, taking no responsibility for their own actions and will probably be worse criminals than they were when they went in. They’ll be bitter people and will repeat the errors of their parents. A vicious cycle of drug use and crime. Meanwhile, those who love Haleigh will continue to wonder, wait and hope. No questions answered. No justice for Haleigh.

Joe doing this, makes no sense..WASNT JOE OUT HANGING POSTERS OF HALEIGH.the next day, with family?? Dont you think If he did this, he would of been scared that day, that someone leaked out, he did this?? I dont care HOW CRAZZY they think he is, if this scenario happened, WHY didnt Misty call the police immediately when joe left in the van with haleigh?? The police would of found him, with haleigh and might have been able to save her, from the beginning. I dont care HOW scared you are of someone, the minuite they leave, your out the door, getting help, and she would of called ron immediately and told him about this, why would she be scared to tell ron, her own nutty cousin did this, and what did joe have, a knife?? Im sure out of the misty and tommy they could have tried to stop him, they would have fought in some way, especially if he tried to take a small child?? And their is no way Joe could have had the knife on Tommy the whole time, in the van, or out of the van, he would have had to grab the bag out of the van at sometime, and their would be the perfect opportunity to FIGHT HIM and SAVE HALEIGH. Tommy couldnt have been that drugged, he was walking, and talking. I dont think Joe did this, I think its someone else, but we are made to believe its joe, for some reason.

I read sometime back on Misty Croslin. com that Joe O. passed a poly, but I do not remember the date on the article. I need to go back and search all of the articles. Last night on JVM G.Hollar says Joe took a poly and failed like the rest of them. She reads our blogs and we were trying to research that info a couple of weeks ago.
In Mistys new version she does not implicate that Tommy was there. G.Hollar put him in it last night by saying he was there earlier and then came, probably to help dump the body. Then she goes on too say I told them I would go spend a week in jail with Misty and get it out of her. I thought she already did! G.Hollar said Misty said this is what happened!
Misty knows what happened and she is just making it worse for herself with all of these lies.
Cate you made a good point. Misty was cleaning up the scene including making the beds. Where was Jr. when she was doing all of this? On the TES website it says that LE confirmed Rons story that he told TM that the beds were made when he got home. Why did Ron marry Misty and continue to defend her after all of the test in August of 2009.
In Sept 2009 in the jail house letter of Nay Nays( Christina Prevatt) It is stated that WBG put Haleigh in a black garbage bag and threw her in the L pond. Now Misty is saying it was Joe Overstreet that put Haleigh in a black bag and threw her in the river.
Since July 2009 it has been rumored that Haleigh OD and was disposed of. Twice in a black bag by two different people. Now it is because she was a substitute for a gun. In all of the lies we have heard the only things consistent is that Haleigh is deceased and she was put in a black bag and disposed of like garbage.jmo

The thing with Misty, imo, is if she did something to Haleigh she would not have been able to “handle” it herself. She had no car, few friends. She relied on her family. If she had TC help her, he would have ratted her out, gotten a deal for illegally disposing of a body (or something to that effect). So for me that wipes out that Misty did it and TC helped.

Now if Misty knew (for certain, as in witnessed) TC harming Haleigh, Misty would have ratted him out long ago, testified against him, and gotten her drug charges either tossed out or YO sentencing. So to me that says Misty does not for sure know who did it.

If TC knew Misty did something to Haleigh he definitely would have given her up, so either he does not know anything (made up the whole story to help his legal problems) OR he harmed Haleigh himself, without Misty knowing.

Still possible that neither of they don’t know anything, made up the entire story to help themselves out in their legal problems, and Haleigh is out there alive somewhere, with nobody in LE looking for her, and the public being convinced by LE that Haleigh is dead and the perps are locked up in jail for years and years.

I like that theory and it is very plausible still. BUT if that is the case, to whoever is holding Haleigh, you will be found out. Haleigh will be found, if not today, then maybe tomorrow. If it takes 20 years, you will be caught and Haleigh will be set free, you can bet your bottom dollar on that.

IMO I do think that Joe knows what happened, but I believe he told the police all he knows. The police have statedthat he has been cooperative with them, and I believe that he has told them what he saw that night, and they need evidence to back it up, or atleat 1 other person to collaberate his story.

If you have time go to Peter Hyatt’s site and read his analysis of Joe Overstreet.

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/07/joe-overstreet-knows-what-happened.html

JB, NOW I could believe that theory. I just think if it was Tommy who helped dispose he would have told on Misty. Misty has pointed out Tommy on too many things. Timmy is another story. When LE went to Mass to question Timmy and Chelsea Misty came out publicly in his defense there is an article on that in the BNN archives. Misty said he did not have anything to do with this. Timmy is the that was in possession of the van. They could of stopped and picked up Tommy and Joe could of very well been there to.
Misty said she put Haleigh to bed at 8pm. What if she did give her something to make her sleep and Jr. as well and Haleigh died. Misty and Ron allegedly had a fight on the phone @ 8:30pm and 30 minutes later Ron called Tommy looking for Misty. I think it is about this time when things went hay wire and something happened to Haleigh. This would allow enough time to get everything cleaned up and disposed of by the time the 911 call was made @ 3:27am.jmo

You know Tobias I was wondering if that ww2 gun was stolen? It has yet to surface. Perhaps it belonged to a drug dealer and there is some truth to the rumor mill with the 2 ounces of cocaine( $14,000) and money . It may have included this gun. I could see that retaliation!jmo

I agree with LFJ at 10:32. I really believe if it was Tommy Misty would have told already. Wasnt it as soon as they got arrested she ratted on him for a B&E? I feel Timmy had something to do with this. Thats why he got outta dodge asap. Chelsea is too defensive for someone who has not had a hand in this ordeal. IMO. Tommy and Joe were there I believe, but were bystandards to the disposal. I think that Haleigh died when just Misty was with her, and Timmy,Tommy and joe came to help her dispose of Haleigh. But who know what happened. I just hope some day we will find out.

If timmy was involved, that may be why he was so free with his tax money. to keep their silence. who know? we sure don’t.

I don’t believe this story or any of the other gruesome ones that have been spun. I think they are all innocent in Haleigh’s disappearance. Misty and Tommy are only guilty (besides drug trafficking) of not giving LE what they want–a confession. If any evidence exists then LE would have arrested/charged/indicted someone. That van was released after being analyzed–that leads me to believe there was no evidence found there. LE would have never released it otherwise if it was used in a crime. JMO

Ever since Hank and Lisa have been on probation, it has appeared that are in Daytona. I looked it up and that is where the probation is handled, not where they are.

JB said,in August 18th, 2010 at 9:04 am Lynny -I have no idea why they were sent to Daytona. I, like you, must assume it is to keep everyone apart. If that is the case, they may run out of prisons in Florida at the rate this family is going! LOL

Robin – if Haleigh OD’d (or was killed some other way) and was put in a trash bag and then placed in the van there would probably be no “evidence” in the van. Haleigh had been in that van many times so any hair or DNA in the van could eaisly be explained. Any body fluids would have been contained in the trash bags for the short trip to the dumping ground. Unlike Casey Anthony who drove around for days with her dead child in the trunk, Haleigh would have only been in the van for a short period of time.

JB–I understand what you are saying, but take a look at these people. Believe me what I am fixing to say is not intended as a joke, but does these people look like they buy good high quality trash bags–Hell, do they even look like they buy trash bags (considering they do not buy detergent)? Try putting a child in a trash bag and see if the trash bag does not tear. That would be a hard task and when there is a tear in the bag there is leakage of bodily fluids. I cannot fathom these uneducated, inept people getting away with killing a child–accidental or not–and leaving NO evidence. That boggles my mind. JMO

He means her body! He wants to bring her home to be buried. Like every child deserves. but it isn’t gonna happen. Misty did this.

April – that is how I took it too. “Bringing Haleigh Home” doesn’t necessarily mean alive. It is a sensitive and caring way for LE to say recover her body and allow her family to bury her…IMO.

I just don’t believe LE would have released that van if they truly believed that it was used to transport a body. Yes, I believe that evidence could clearly be explained away since Haleigh probably rode in the van regularly, but I believe that van would have been kept as “evidence” in an ongoing investigation, or until someone was charged or indicted. This case is so bizarre, that who can tell what LE would or wouldn’t do at this point. JMO

But then again they did release the alleged crime scene, the MH, after analyzing it so it is not far stretch to release the van. These people are not the richest and could not run out and buy another mode of transportation while the van was being kept, so I can see the reasoning of releasing the van back to them.

Looking for justice–That makes sense.

April, I agree that Jr would have tried to help HaLeigh. It is just too hard for me to believe that HaLeigh was screaming and Jr didn’t hear her.

lfj, That makes a lot of sense to me too. Why would Ronald spend money on bags if he could get them for free? More money for drugs.

Thats why Misty will never get the YO she and her lawyer hope for. Misty will do the 25 at least. She has not told the truth. Look what happened to Tommy and he told that story too. jmo

I agree that bringing HaLeigh home means to put her body to rest. I hope not, but the reoccuring black bag story has me worried.

Jr could have been given something to make him sleep and he didn’t hear anything. HaLeigh could have been given the same thing, but due to her health issues didn’t survive.

It does seem strange that Jr is not heard on the 911 call. I listened to call on various websites and never heard him.

Kids solve crimes google the Bobby Cutts story, a 2 year old solved that murder. jmo

Tobias, you are right. Jr. was 3, but closer to being 4 when Haleigh disappeared iirc. I wonder if someone came and picked him up and then brought him back later. Just a thought.

Perhaps the children were actually in a different room originally. Haleighs bed may have been moved into the master bedroom after the fact. Just a thought.

I agree with Simon, I also believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, and Little Green Men from outer Space.. At least these are far more reliable elements to believe in.. and the tales have been told by Millions of people over the last 100 years..

Why in this world would Fields make such a blunder?? Totally out of his character.. And had Misty told this story and was believed by PCSO.. she would have had a plea bargain.. But, she didn’t!!! That in itself tells a tale.

Misty is looking at hard time, and you can tell by the expression on her face, she has totally given up.. Terrified of what to come..

Then of course PCSO put out a statement, knocking Fields around a bit.. How sensitive this info is.. and then as Simon speaks of Zingers.. They threw us a bone..

(Lt. Johnny Greenwood, of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, said Tuesday. “We don’t know if the break in Haleigh’s disappearance will come from behind bars or from the public.”

“Everyone is considered a person of interest in Haleigh’s disappearance except Crystal Sheffield and Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s parents,” he added.)

http://www.news4jax.com/news/24658375/detail.html

Now, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I not how things are stated, and what is left off of a statement.. person of Interest versus Suspect.. two different things people..

You may be a person of interest but not a suspect, yet you could well be a suspect taking the one step up from a person of interest. Note: Everyone is considered a person of interest.. Well, who does this everyone include?? This was a good size bone he threw.. and something for all to stop and think about… Does, the elements, Fields comment and Greenwood’s comment have anything in common?? hmmmm.. Every action has a reaction. And yet, it is possible that a reaction, needs an Action.. to become a reaction..

Plus the fact when Jr was interviewed all he said was a man in black on the bouncy couch. I would think he if heard his siter screaming, he would have said so. Somtimes children even cry when their siblings are hurt or screaming.

Who else could of been JO in M’s story? Is it possible something happened that night similar to what she describes but she doesn’t know the person(s) and she was convinced if she told the police that someone else would be harmed?

Maybe Fields spoke yesterday to get a message to Ron before his plea deal?

Jb @11:56

Agreed. Excellent points, imo.

Until we have the real story we dont know what events may have been put into motion by someones actions before Haleigh went missing so I will Pass on the statement that some are cleared because of an alibi. Ron and Crystal are cleared as suspects (as of now LE can lie for whatever reason they wish) jmo

Jan, this is from the Palatka newspaper whose article disappear which is what I am copying the whole thing..

Attorney: Haleigh was carried away in a bag

By Kristin Chambers
Published: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 AM EDT
ST. AUGUSTINE – Misty Croslin hid beneath a sheet holding onto Haleigh’s younger brother as she listened to the now 7-year-old missing girl being attacked before she disappeared, her attorney said Tuesday.

Attorney Robert Fields said Croslin’s cousin, Joe Overstreet, showed up at the Satsuma trailer looking for a gun that belonged to Haleigh’s father. When he couldn’t find it, he took Haleigh instead.

“The gun wasn’t there so he basically went towards Misty and may have wrestled with her and then he turned and grabbed Haleigh,” Fields said. “At that point, Misty hid under the covers with Junior, Joe did something for a few minutes and Misty didn’t hear Haleigh make any more noises, and she saw Joe take Haleigh out of the house in a black bag.”

She then listened as a van door opened and closed outside, with Haleigh never to be seen again.

“She did say it appeared he was under the influence,” Fields said.

Fields offered this scenario to reporters after Misty Croslin pleased no contest Tuesday to drug trafficking charges in St. Johns County.

Croslin’s family has said Overstreet was at the Satsuma mobile home the night Haleigh disappeared in February 2009. He was arrested on drug charges last week in Tennessee, but he has never been charged or named as a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance.

His attorney, Shawn P. Sirgo of Nashville, Tenn., said Overstreet had nothing to do with the child’s disappearance and dismissed Croslin’s account.

“I don’t believe anything she said,” he said.

Fields said 18-year-old Croslin described the events to investigators following her drug arrest for trafficking in hydrocodone in January. He said her brother, Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr., 24, has told investigators a similar story.

Tuesday morning, Croslin pleaded no contest to one remaining drug trafficking charge in St. Johns County, for which she will receive a minimum of 25 years.

The charge originated from a deal made with undercover officers on Jan. 8 at the Flying J in north St. Augustine, in which Croslin was said to have sold 155 oxycodone pills worth $800.

She pleaded no contest to seven other drug trafficking charges in Putnam County on Monday, which she faces up to 240 years.

Croslin will be sentenced in both St. Johns and Putnam counties in October.

Others arrested in the month-long undercover investigation in January include her brother, Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, 26, his cousin, Hope Sykes, 18, and a former Equusearch volunteer, Donna Brock.

A pre-sentence investigation has been ordered for Croslin, and Fields is preparing a push to have sentenced as a youthful offender.

In response to Fields’ comments on Tuesday morning, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said the department would not release any information about the case.

“The Haleigh Cummings investigation is far too important to be jeopardized by releasing this type of sensitive information,” Lt. Johnny Greenwood said.

Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, was present for Croslin’s hearing in St. Augustine.

“I just wanted her to see my face,” Sheffield told the Daily News afterward. “I wanted her to look me in my eyes and see how I hurt because I don’t have my baby.”

Sheffield said that it was Croslin’s fault that Haleigh was missing.

“I think she should rot in jail,” Sheffield said.

As she wept for Haleigh outside the courthouse, Sheffield said she was upset that other members of the family were acting as if they had a deep connection with her daughter.

“They don’t have the connection like I have. I carried her for nine months and gave birth to her – not them,” Sheffield said.

Marie Griffis, Haleigh’s maternal grandmother, said it was time for others to come forward with information.

“There’s a lot of people in jail that knows what happened to Haleigh, but there’s also a lot of people that know elsewhere that is not in jail, and they need to come forward,” Griffis said. “They need to close this case so we can find our baby.”

Authorities have declared the Haleigh case a homicide investigation, but the child’s relatives say they continue to hope she will be found alive.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

kchambers@palatkadailynews.com

Now Misty wrestled with Joe.. 👿

She also said the story is the truth but later said if she had a week with Misty she would get the truth out of her. Well which is it? jmo

Vaq – don’t you love how it all changes….one minute she was raped by Joe, then she had a knife held to her throat, then TC was threatened, then no mention of TC, then she wrestled with Joe, then she didn’t, then she was under the covers with Jr but Jr doesn’t mention ANY of this to his mom or LE (that we know of), then she knows nothing, then she thinks Crystal’s side of the family did it, then Joe did it…again, then TC and Joe did it, then they grabbed cement blocks and rope from the house and weighted her down, then they put her in a black bag, then back to that isn’t what happened, I don’t know anything back to Joe did it. UGH!

As far as Flo goes…..I’ve seen other reports that Joe passed his poly but generally LE doesn’t publish that stuff….they keep that info pretty close to the vest. But they don’t seem to be looking at Joe which makes me think he may have been cleared. It seems to be TC and Misty that are being focused on and LE has to have a reason for that. Hopefully it isn’t just their ever-changing stories. PLEASE let LE have more than that! 😯

ilove – if Misty is somehow responsible for Haleigh’s death and she knows that if she tells she’ll do even MORE time I don’t think anyone will get her to talk but God himself. I don’t see Misty as this helpless, brow-beaten teen. She is street smart and just like Casey Anthony, I think she will continue to fabricate stories and take the truth to the grave unless LE can slap some evidence down in front of her (like Haleigh’s bones) or someone else breaks and gives LE the evidence to back it up. Otherwise it is just her word against theirs. I don’t think Flo or anyone else will get her to talk. Her mom and dad got nowhere with her. These seasoned officers and detectives (including FBI) got nowhere with her. She’s not this little feable, passive, whimp of a teenager some think she is! I think she’s tough as nails and lacks emotion (aka PSYCHOPATH).

JB ITA I believe she feels trapped now and is shifting blame to anyone she can. I would not be surprised if she has more anger than tears when she is sentenced. jmo

She could tell the truth right now and without evidence no one will believe her. She has sealed her own fate with all the lies. jmo

Vaq, I believe it will be 3 hours of the horrible life she has had. I doubt if it will work but its all Fields has. jmo

JNet – ROFLMAO – boy, you nailed it! You don’t say “I KNOW THE TRUTH” and then say “Joe dun it” or “Misty hit the baby in da’ head wit sumpun” or “the baby od’d” or “they throwed dat’ baby in da’ water and I don’t know if she be alive or dead when she hit dat’ water”…”Yup, that’s how it happened”. 🙄 That isn’t KNOWING the truth! So that is when you keep your trap shut until you DO know the truth. She’s just muddling up the case for LE with all her stories!

JB, Have you been to Lindsy myspace LATELY? Its not private now and alot of Joes relatives have been chatting with her since way back, also a few Cummings (by marriage). jmo

Tobias – naw…never been to Lindsey’s Myspace. She’s another one I have no use for. She uses people and that is obvious. She allowed Tommy to be messed up around the kids, she knew he was burglarizing homes, she probably even did the drugs with him not to mention how she treated his dog (animal abuse!). She used LP. She’s still using her grandparents. She’s no better than the rest of them in my book!

JNet said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
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I totally agree..

Jules – I think the point is there have been so many versions of this story that it is almost comical. Either she wrestled with Joe or not. Why would she tell her atty and then he repeat “I may have wrestled with Joe”? LOL

And another fact is IF someday Misty is charged with the crime, it is going to be REALLY tough to explain all the different stories, especially when repeated by your atty. If she’s going to tell a story, at least tell the same story and quit adding, changing and removing details. It is pathetic!

Thats the sure way to see its one of Mistys lies, ALL THE INCONSISTANCIES. jmo

I believe Simon was told Rons calls were boring so they only listen but dont tape them, I think thats what they said. jmo

Wonder what his and TN-AS think about this latest rendition of Joe took Haleigh story?
jmo

Jules – LOL – yeah, Ron and his dirty boxers! Ugh!

Hello M2C and thank you for that update. I’m with them….I believe it is all a lie with perhaps some truth spinkled around here and there.

jean said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

Are we ever going to get to hear anymore phone calls/videos since the April ones?
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probably not because the press is apparently not interested in them and for one news agency to want them is very, very expensive to get.

the pcso made a statement saying they where upset at fields statements..also that piece about greenwood was a old snippet from the beginning of the case.he didnt speak with media and theres no author they worked with family on this..mc and tcs stories are made up as is flos.all lies i dont want a father to be guilty of doing this to a child but i see it as hes guilty and all other members of her family are guilty until proven other wise from the beginning pcso has looked at the wrong people..and its not mc and tc imo still scapegoats imo and theres someone there afraid of and its not jo..did anyone hear the reporters report on rc out looking for a threesome 3 weeks after hc went missing..that was a strange report makes you go say what..

I wished the media would have asked him about her tapes recanting this story, they have all the tapes didnt they listen to them? Oh right its not going to be a big media story if they do that.lol jmo

I dont remember the tape of Misty saying she sid it was a dream on any show. Could be wrong do you know or remember hearing it on those shows? JVM sHOULD HAVE PLAYED IT ON LAST NIGHTS SHOW, WHY NOT? JMO

Tobias – yeah, Shoemaker was talking about the plea deal being a DONE deal a long time ago and it fell through. Maybe he’s not counting his chickens before they hatch this time! LOL OR maybe LE isn’t interested anymore. I still don’t know what it is that Ron can offer that would be worth any deal. I say man up and take your punishment and quit the wheelin’ and dealin’.

The deal before was based on Misty and Tommy since they said Ron wouldn’t be sentenced until after Tommy and Misty’s mess was over with. Now that they both plead out on their cases and aren’t taking it to trial you would hope they’d tell Ron to forget any deal….he’s no longer needed. LOL

So if he is no longer needed he could get 25 at least?

Jules – perhaps more. The prior deal that Shoemaker was talking about would still sentence Ron to 25 years but they wouldn’t sentence him until after he testified against Misty and the rest of the crew. Now that everyone has please no contest and aren’t going to trial, there is no testimony needed. I guess they could bring him in to testify at Misty’s hearing but it really isn’t necessary unless LE wants to really push for her not to get the YO program. Ron really has nothing to offer….he could get more than 25 years….who knows. Since Tommy got 15 and Ron has more charges…..I would venture to guess Ron won’t get less than 25. But time will tell. I think all of Ron’s carry a mandatory minimum of at least 25. The question is whether they run them consecutively or concurrently. I would say they’ll go concurrently.

Friday may be very informative as far as what the SA is willing to give Ron or not give him. I also wonder why Lisa and Hank were moved to Daytona jail for their POV? It appears Putnam county is free of Croslins now. jmo

Tobias – Putnam Co is probably doing some serious happy dances right now…being free of Croslins and all! LOL

I can’t seem to shake the feeling that one of these days we’re going to get the report that TC has killed himself. That thought just keeps popping into my head. It gives me no satisfaction to say that nor would it give me any if it happened. I just want to know the truth. Maybe it is my fear that the truth will never be told that causes the thought but it sure is a strange feeling I get when it pops into my head.

I read over at IS that someone posted that Shoemaker said Ron has his deal and will testify Friday if needed. Has anyone heard/seen that today??

crap nevermind, that’s what I get for reading bottom to top

if rc doesnt get more time than than all the rest of them get with his priors theres going to be big time trouble coming to some people who think there the big shots down there mark my word on this one..rc has lied and hindered all the way and nos what happened hes been the most silent one threw this whole process along with taking up for all of them jo included.some people are going to be in for a rude awakening..if they would hurry up and get the right people in there this would be over with..get ready for the flush its coming

JB I have the same feeling about Tommy. He just looks too bad to last 15 years in prison. I think he is dying inside from guilt and losing Lindsy and his family.

I would not be surprised to hear that he
commited suicide. Like you said, it would not give me any satisfaction but I just have a bad feeling that he will take his life and the truth to his grave with him.

JB @ 4:58 – One can only hope that LE has something that resembles proof re CS’s alibi. But I have little faith.
I just wanted to point out that we know nothing whatsoever about what that might be and yet people have been carrying on for over a year over someone who actually does have something resembling an alibi. Don’t know if either is true – for CS or R – just pointing out the imbalance.
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sotrue, it would be fine with me if the whole county was flushed. It’s been twirling the bowl for well over a year now.

Here is my opinion Misty did it Tommy and maybe helped cover it up that statement about haleigh getting eaten by gators attributed to ron came from Joe or Tommy one of them two allegedly said he said that while they were at the river together. Which is BS because I cannot see either of them hanging with Ron! can you all?

Jules and JB, what would be sad – in addition to the suicide itself – is people assuming that any “truth” died with him. That may well be what certain people would like for us to believe.
Whether those people are a couple of SOs up in Alaskd right now who we never heard of before or people a lot closer to home.
Not knowing is not knowing. Everything else is Assumption.
Haleigh deserves better than that.

Jules, you said, “I just feel like maybe IF she didn’t harm HaLeigh she should be treated like any other teenager caught buying/selling pills.”
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Until we KNOW and there evidence that she harmed Haleigh, then she HAS TO BE treated like any other teenager caught buying/selling pills.
Combining the cases when sentencing without any proof whatsoever is draconian, medieval, unbelievable. LaRue should be forced to burn his robes and spend some time in the town’s stocks for what he seems to have based T’s sentence on.

m2c, I agree that Tommy may not have the truth to take with him. I was just saying IF he did it would be sad that he didn’t have a chance to make things right for HaLeigh.

I go from thinking Tommy and Misty know something to thinking that they don’t and were squeezed and made to say things to try to get out of 15 years in prison. You hear so many times that LE makes people confess and then they are proven innocent by DNA or someone else confesses. I hope in the case HaLeigh is found alive and well and they are not guilty of anything except the drug charges.

Misty sold Tommy out the minute she got to jail on the B&Es if he had anything to do with this dont ya think she would have gave him up just to get out of jail? I do, Misty even wanted bailed before Tommy, she is on tape telling her Dad that. I am starting to believe Misty would squeal on anyone if it meant she would get out. Misty has some involvement and cant do anything but lie. JMO

Tommy has been moved.

Offender Name: HANK T CROSLIN
Offender ID:V35906
Date of Birth:08/02/1986
Age:24
Custody Status:In Custody
Scheduled Release Date:01/17/2025
Location of Offender:Franklin C.I.
Race:White
Gender:Male

It’s a long way from Putnam county and also where Chelsea is.

Franklin Correctional Institution

County: Franklin

Offender Search for this Facility:
Queries may take a long time for facilities with large populations.

* Browse current population
* Browse releases
* Browse escapes (outstanding escape warrants)

Directions: From East Florida & Tallahassee: In Tallahassee, exit I-10 and take US-319 South to US-98. Follow US-98 south to Carrabelle Fl. Turn north on CR-67 and drive two miles. The institution will be located on the right. From Marianna and West Florida: Go East on I-10. Take Exit 142 and turn south on SR-12. Turn south SR-379. Go two miles and turn south on CR-67 and drive 25 miles. The institution will be on the left. From South Florida: Go north on I-75 and exit at Ocala on Exit 354. Take US-27 Alt North to Chiefland. Turn on US-19 North and follow to Perry. Turn west on US-98 and follow to Carrabelle. Turn north on CR-67 and drive two miles. The institution will be located on the right.

Historical Information: This facility was established in 2005 and houses adult male inmates. Bay City Work Camp is under the supervision of Franklin C.I.

Total Staff (on 6/08): 339

As soon as they left with Haleigh Misty would of began phoning people likely family. Those calls I’m sure would of been obtained by LE. She may not of communicated what just transpired in the home at very least she would of asked if anyone seen them or heard from them. This is on the assumption she did not know if the child was alive or not. It’s a lot of work to keep a person alive and captive. Ultimately it leads to the one taken becoming free, it may take a while but it will happen. If the objective is to keep the person alive then there is no other conclusion it will come to. If there is any fluctuation in the objective being to keep her alive and the capture open to killing her then she may not survive. This story Misty is telling does not add up.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families

I don’t believe any of these stories–and will not until evidence proves otherwise. I believe these are police coerced tales and one of the leading causes of wrongful convictions today. These people, with their past criminal backgrounds, were easy to manipulate, pressure, and intimidate. Their stories get more bizarre as more details get tacked on. Police can easily provide certain details. Listen to the details..Does any of this sound like something Misty or Tommy would say or come up with? It doesn’t to me and has not a ring of truth to it. They minimized their roles in the crime yet they were there to witness it. I am not buying it at all. JMO

robin, ITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shaman–Who is David Knox?

I guess Ron did get his deal with the state.I don’t know how I missed this article yesterday..

“Cummings, 26, will be in court in Putnam County Friday. His attorney said a deal has been reached to drop the two most serious trafficking charges and sentence Cummings on three others.

Attorney Terry Shoemaker said Cummings would testify if asked to in the sentencing hearings against Misty, who he divorced in October, and has talked with investigators about Haleigh’s case.”

Shaman said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

Cousin Joe obviously had everything to do with Haleigh Cummings coming up missing. I think they’re just gathering evidence at this point. Granny Flo? She must like Cousin Joe the best! LOL.. this is real simple. Misty saw Joe and another man besides Tommy right before Haleigh was gone. Looks like Haleigh was pawned off to Joe’s accomplice.
Maybe they can be cellmates in the end. I still say the unknown guy’s name is David Knox.
Wait and see I guess.
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Is that the trucker? wasn’t he from TX?

He was from Texas. I never got that he was a trucker. THAT would make quite a bit of sense.
I believe her new account, by the way. A girl for a machine gun.. WTF..

Attorney Fields was just trying to console Misty. She looked tortured and deeply depressed.

It is also not unusual for an attorney to have physical contact with the defendant to make him seem more human.

You put the child in the trash bag and then hold it under your arm. The bag would never have to support her weight.

John W. Sharp–The whole time he is holding the trash bag with a five year old in it under his arm, he was wielding some type of weapon (a knife or gun)..Is that feasible? JMO

For those who may have not seen Crystal Sheffield’s interview after Misty’s most recent court appearance:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/081710-croslin-says-she-heard-haleigh-attack
MyFox Orlando, Fl 8-17-10

“Lawyer: Croslin says she heard Haleigh attack”
Article and video (to the left)

There is no wrong way of reacting to an event or what another person perceives as a threat. Nor is anyone in a position to decide for another human being if their perception is correct or not and then punish them according to what we may perceive of the people. It’s not anyone’s right to determine if a person responds correctly to a crime or what is perceived as a correct response. If this version is true or some what true the crime began when TC and Joe entered the home and when Joe became violent. At that time Misty was also a victim of a crime. When she failed to immediately report it when they left, when she lied for months putting the family through hell, that is her crimes and she needs to stand accountable for them. If the child was alive when they left with her then it is also possible that her failing to report it makes her accountable for accessory to murder or criminal negligence causing death, neglect causing death, something a long those line. If Ronald did in fact have a machine gun in the home and it is not allowed he needs to stand accountable for that. If he was aware that these persons were addicts and thieves then he needs to be held accountable for some form of neglect. If the Mother knew things she did not report she also needs to be charged and so on down the line. If there is Justice for Haleigh they all go to the floor in their part that caused this collision of lives that this child may not of survived from, whether they loved her or not. If Joe did assault Misty sexually that night he also needs to stand accountable for that whether the Police like that idea or not. If this is about seeking Justice then they all go up all who are responsible. This isn’t about having sympathy for those who lost a child it’s about Justice for what the child suffered. I don’t believe this story it seems pretty far out there but stranger things have happened. If we start to dictate the proper response to a crime by the victim that is a very slippery slope that leads into cases and situations where it does not belong. What I have learned about people and seeing responses to violence is that most claim they will do this and that but few and far in between actually do. There is no wrong way to respond to a situation that a person should not be in in the first place. MHO is there is no wrong response each person survives the event their own way. Some are very outwardly reactive some go inward and silent. It makes no sense to me to beat a dead dog with what does not matter and is not the actual issue. The issue is the violent crime not the response.
God Bless Haleigh

@judithan. I love it!

Robin and Why I agree with both of you. Doesn’t sound feasible to me. Also factor in a kicking and screaming child because there is no way an 5 year old is just going to hold still while being abducted. Even if they are asleep, IMO at some point they are going to wake up and start screaming and crying and trying to get away.

Hmmm…. JudithAn on second thought, you might be on to something there. The Croslin family is/was into construction…. Hmmm….

RM they might be in construction but knowing asbestos workers they would never work around nonunion drywall workers. They do only industrial and commerical work. But the Croslins could have stole the bags.LOL

I’m out voted.

Everyone who is determined to not ever, ever beleive anything Misty has to say is destined to never, ever know what happened to Haleigh.

Anything we are learn about what happened that night is going to have to come from misty.

John W Sharp said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

I’m out voted
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LOL, sorry about that.

It’s just that Misty and Tommy have lied for 18 months.If they had come out with this story back in Feb. 09 I might have believed them but not wait till your butt has been put in jail to concoct this story.

Jnet–You said it so eloquently and I so agree with everything you posted.

Not that I’m anywhere ready to buy hook line and sinker anyhing falling out of Misty’s mouth…I think dismissing a black bag to rapidly might be a mistake. There has to be some reason Le is angry ‘black bag’ was released.

Who said it was a garbage bag with certainty? A heavy duty construction bag? A canvas duffle bag? Flinging arms and legs?…We have not been informed if in Misty’s story the child was even alive when tossed in the bag. Was she flinging and whailing? Was she gagged and little arms tied behind her back?

Yeah, all terrible thoughts, but ‘tossed in a bag’ isn’t exactly all that much information to judge the possibilities of such a thing. If Fields was going to spill, least he could have been a bit more detailed. I imagine we can believe, if nothing else, that if this story was laid at LE’s feet they asked for better details than ‘tossed in a black bag’.

Jnet – You are right. It just occured to me that men are brutally beating their wives/girl friends, men are sexully molesting children, drunk drivers are commiting vehicular homicide, and are being given 6 to 12 months.

While drug cases are threatening an entire generation.

Bon. We have to take seriously and follow up on everything Misty says.

Bon. Who would you believe?

If not Misty who?

Unless there is evidence, I dont believe misty. why would there have to be a person to believe? all 3 clans are not trustworthy. do I think we will find haliegh with information from anyone in these clans? No. I believe this is a stranger abduction. there is no evidence to suport anything anyone says because none of them knows what happened to haliegh.

It is very easy to prove this….there will be no arrests, because there is no evidence to support involvement from any of the clans.

tobias said,in August 18th, 2010 at 12:22 pm Kids solve crimes google the Bobby Cutts story, a 2 year old solved that murder. jmo
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Tobias you are right kids do solve crimes. This 2 year old , little Blake was able to tell what he saw happen to his mother even 24 hours after the event and fro days after. He was found wondering alone in the home where the lived after his mother, Jessie Davis, was murdered by his father. At only 2 yrs old he told his Grandmother immediately that” mommy broke the table, mommy’s crying and mommy’s in the rug. Jessie was 8 months pregnant with Cutt’s baby girl. Blake was a very important witness. Although he did not implicate his father. The case was actually solved due to police pressure and excellent LE work. Cutts was also an officer. His friends who were also officers pressured him to come clean after all evidence pointed to him. He confessed and led LE to Jessie. She was in fact wrapped in the bedspread that little Blake always called the “rug” according to his grandmother. Unfortunately this event happened to a person I know.

I think JR at almost 4 would have been able to have given more details if the story as it is being told really happened. Jr would remember his sister screaming and crying and Misty holding him while covering his head with the sheet. I think he would have told of these events.
As to the lies, I have raised 11 teenagers. All of them were good kids and never in any legal troubles. Everyone of them was different. When some got in trouble they were less then forth coming with facts. A couple would just plain lie about events. One or 2 would even make up elaborate stories to “clear themselves.” Some would say, “ I don’t remember” Today, most of them are grown and I am still finding out facts and truths that were well concealed. Today we laugh about some of it. None of it was serious trouble but they were avoiding normal parental punishment. Some would tell on the other (while of course leaving out their part of the participation.) It was normal behavior for teenagers, as I am told. Misty is a teenager facing a terrible crime. She has been in hell for over 18 months. (and longer if you count all of the neglect, sex and drugs she faced as a child). Do you expect truth and nothing but the truth from this uneducated, scared teenager facing a possible accessory to a murder charge? A master mind of anything I seriously doubt that. Protecting anyone? I don’t think she has anyone who has earned that much loyalty from her in her mind today. LE needs to keep working on this for this poor missing Haleigh’s sake and not settle for the easy way out.

I don’t trust Misty but I do believe there is some good in everyone.

Did Misty have a motive to harm Haleigh?

Did Misty have transportation to dispose of Haleigh?

Did Misty use a shovel and bury Heleigh?

Did Misty have help?

Where was Jr. when this was happening.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/24674646/detail.html
News4Jax Jacksonville, Fl
8-18-10 Updated: 9:06 p.m. EDT

“Haleigh’s Grandma: Misty Is Lying”

I can’t say I despise people who sell and use drugs. I think that many people are self medicating. There is certainily plenty of physical and emotional pain going around. I can’t say what will help someone make it through the day.

With regard to people who sell drugs there may be an understandable economic reason why they do this.

In any case I don’t see the urgency to prosecute prescription drug sellers and users to such an extreme manner.

Also, I won’t put myself in the position to say that because I don’t use drugs I am superior to those who choose to self medicate.

I apologize Mr. Sharpe, if I misunderstood your earlier posts. You have taken a much higher road re: drug trafficing, than one I cannot approach. As you, I do not have an addiction, unfortunately it is something I work with on a daily basis…….. and have seen the spectrum of it’s destruction. I’m sorry I misunderstood your earlier posts.

Have a great evening everyone, and we will say our prayers for not only HaLeigh but the 4 other children that are missing/stolen or murdered every day of the week… how very sad..

John W Sharp said,
in August 18th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

I don’t trust Misty but I do believe there is some good in everyone.

Did Misty have a motive to harm Haleigh?
(I’ve never believed Misty,herself, harmed Haleigh.I don’t see any motive)

Did Misty have transportation to dispose of Haleigh?
(nope, Ron had the car so she would have to get a ride)

Did Misty use a shovel and bury Heleigh?

(I doubt it since they had different kinds of tracking dogs and later cadaver dogs that went all around 202 Green Ln)

Did Misty have help?
(Since I think Tommy did something he might have had help)

Where was Jr. when this was happening.
(Jr was under the covers with Misty, according to her)

What is the differance between he who is addicted to one thing and he who is addicted to another?

Good morning….Although I hope and pray thatI am wrong, My heart keeps telling me that someone in satsuma got away with murder. I imagine a few years down the road, Inside edition will do a story about this. They will interview one or more of these idiots and once again, we will probably hear,yet again another story about the night Haleigh vanished. Mistys attorney ought to be shot for saying those horrible things on Haleighs birthday. It could have been kept under wraps for a few more days while the family dealt with another birthday without Haleigh. How cruel. What beats in the chest of these people? Crystal, if your reading this, from my heart to yours, I am sorry. Some people just have no class.

I totally give up trying to theorize who did what to Haleigh. We will probably never know. There are way too many lies out there to sort out and if le can’t figure it out, ( and I have my doubts) then perhaps all we can do is pray she is with family hidden, or in heaven with her king. I am very saddened that TN isn’t allowed to see Jr. Isn’t there something the courts can do to change that? Jr needs all of his family. First he loses his sissy, and now his grammas too? Thats cruel. Crystal could fix that if she wanted to. Why not let him spend alittle time with his other grammas…even if it has to be supervised? I know how that feels. I wasn’t allowed to see my grandson for almost two years because his mother was dangling him over our heads. It wasn’t until my son took her to court for custody that I finally got to see my little sweetheart. All because she was holding all the cards. Social service finally realized that this was not healthy for him, and with her “issues with violent boyfriends and drugs” my son finally won custody. It was a long torchurous (spellcheck) fight, and very agonizing, for me and his dad and him. I sympathize a great deal with TN,AS. I really do.

And I agree with you, methinks. They’re doing major harm to Jr by not letting him see his gma and ggma especially after all the tumult he’s already been thru. But none of those people really care about the children. They only care about themselves and their own spite.

m2c! hey, I thought I was all alone here! good to see you! sorry about my mama rant. just a birthday memory!

m2c, and your right, that statement fields made makes misty look more cold hearted than ever…the judge isn’t going to take sympathy on her situation with her attorney running his mouth like that. for what?

Good point lady…lets hope it works!

Regarding Crystal “keeping Jr away from his gramma’s”, have they even asked to see him? Have they made the effort to drive to Baker County to visit? Have we even heard them mention him once (same goes for Ron) since he has gone to live with Crystal? We do not know these things so how can we judge Crystal as being evil and not letting them see him?

And if Crystal has reason to believe that Ron was the cause of Haleigh’s death and had help from his family in covering for him, why would she have anything to do with any “event” they arranged? Was she even consulted by them about any events?

M2 5:33am-i agree.Spite,can be a cruel thing when a childs involved.I also think it was spite,towards Ron- when the 12,000 wasnt paid in payments on time

.Im sure payments werent that much a weekly an to let them get that far behind..But CS,or even the babies G parents didnt make sure these babies had their money.All because of spite to Ron.

I keep mentioning this,because it shows me the actions of people who were suppose to be fore their children,grandchildren.Mother always said love is an action not mear words!!!

Poor Jr to be ripped from everything he has known from birth.Cold hearted people when it comes to children.How very sad…These from the other side could be allowed to see this baby.What are they trying to do shut him off from them .He will grow up resenting this..

I jutt dont know what to think of all that i have been reading ,about these latest evens.

All i do know is there no HaLiegh,or no no traces of her alive are dead..So i would like to know if LE has been following up on any tips left sence the arrst,an interrigations of the who are now being shipped of for awful amounts of time.Or if LE just shut it down sence the arrest in the early part of the yr,an hasnt still been investigating other possibilities.Looking at others.I do worry about how this case has been handled.But thats just me.

Gotta go heading to the hospital for some test-ugh gotta be put to sleep again,i dont like that!!!

Poor little HaLiegh placed on the back burner,to cover drug cases.Shame!! A precious innocent child,an no anwsers.My heart weeps for her……

This all seems to finally be falling into place. From what I heard, Ron has his deal and is set to testify against Misty at her sentencing. I am sure prosecutors have told her that he is going to testify and they are going to vehemently argue against the youthful offender status. This judge has already nailed Tommy and Hope with 15 years each so she is looking at least at 25 wi/o the help of prosecutors. If she does not come clean now, she is DONE

I’m done listening to Padilla. Somebody needs to tell him he’s coming awfully close to sounding like the DCasey/Luke/Ginette wanna-be-thriller writers(and tinfoil hat wearers). He needs to shut his mouth.
I don’t see how searching the river points away from Timmy. I figure if either or both T’s did it there’s no proof anyway.

M is done. R’s testimony is not needed. He’s done too. End of story.
WHERE IS HALEIGH?

If LE has been lying when they say Ron and Crystal are not suspects in order for the last 18 months in order to “flush” out somebody, they might want to think up a new strategy, because obviously if that is the case, it has not worked. Nor did the drug sting.

PSCO needs to get there focus back on finding Haleigh which imo, they lost sight of from day 1.

If LE believed from the start that Misty was the key, they had to know, as we all did, that Misty could not have acted alone. Why did they not focus in on those that would have/could have been her accomplices?

Why was TC not heavily questioned and given a LDT on day one? As well as Lindsy, Timmy, Chelsea, JO, Nay Nay, Amber? LE had the phone records from day one, why did they not know or have a record of, or question, why Ron called TC that night? And if they did indeed have that info, which they should have had, why didn’t they question TC about it on day 1?

PCSO blew this case from the start. The buck stops with Hardy. Finding Haleigh and what happened that night was his JOB. And yet he let a bunch of young punk pill heads keep the path of the investigation going in circles.

All I can say is thank the good Lord that Orange County didn’t allow Casey and her lies and half-truths from keeping LE from finding out the truth.

That’s right, Tm 39, and I think they’d been talking about making the move since before Haleigh disappeared.

The black bag makes me think of Jessica Lundsford. She was told to climb into a bag and buried alive.

mc2:
Searching the river does NOT point away from Timmy. That is my point. How did Chelsea have that information in the first place?

BOLDONE3 @ 9 am – All it would take is lunch at MacDonald’s with his gma and ggma once in a while – and CS and MG could be there too. Just so Jr knows they are okay and didn’t disappear like his sissy did and then his dad and M.
Come on. But that’s probably a little too mature and selfless to be do-able for the adults involved.

Texasmommy39 said,in August 19th, 2010 at 8:10 am Good morning, everyone. I would like to remind everyone that Timmy and Chealse did not leave ASAP it was months later after Chealse delivered their last child.

I know when they left. I said “asap” meaning as soon as they were able. No need for a reminder.

BOLDONE3 Tommy has put himself at the scene of a crime saying that he was with Joe when he put Haleigh in the river. It looks to me like he would turn on Misty to save his own hide. Maybe not, I don’t know but Misty ratted him out.

I know Tommy got to see at least one of his children in jail, so does Jr. get to go visit Ronald? That would be tough, seeing his daddy but not being able to touch him.

Granny23, I agree with your statement that Timmy and Chelsea left as soon as they could, meaning after the baby came. I don’t know if they had planned the move prior to HaLeigh’s going missing or not because I have read that they did and that they didn’t.

I am sure they would want us to believe that they had planned the move in advance, so I wouldn’t take their word for it.

Really, if Tommy and Misty are already going to prison, why take Timmy too? If Timmy was involved they would have to tell the truth and that seems and impossible mission for them.

I would like to know if anyone agrees that the act of abducting a 5 year old child is a deliberate act with a limited suspect pool? I am sure that all would agree that considering the child and who the child was exposed too is also a determining factor as well. The last point I would love some thought provoking opinions on is the act of opportunity and in this case is it obvious that our suspects window of opportunity was only when HaLeigh was in bed asleep and her Daddy was at work?
I have again went back and looked at the caregiver theory and IMO Misty is innocent and all the Croslins. At this point I am in agreement with a few that it is a possibility that this was a act of a SEX OFFENDER. I still whole hearted want HaLeigh to be alive and safely well hidden amongst Sheffield, Lauramorer or Griffis family members or even trusted friends and will one day be found and able to come home to to those she was taken from. With that said I would think it is time we all focus on the crime in its self and not the sideline antics. I ask all to take it back to the beginning and look at the circumstances of this crime and ask your self these simple questions.
1. Who would take a 5 year old with Turners syndrome. Without seeing this adorable child I ask you who comes to mind that would have a motive to break in to a home in the middle of the night to take THIS child. I am blessed myself with a special child (LOL she is now soon to be 24) and will tell you no matter how cute they are they are not chosen by those with a evil hart to be kind to!
2. Does the act of stealing a child in the middle of the night indicate that the opportunity had to be planned or implemented at the victims most vulnerable time to accomplish the crime? I would say this was PLANNED.
3. Do we all believe that this crime was committed by someone HaLeigh knew based on the (?)facts such as the kitchen light was used during the act of the crime. HaLeigh’s night shirt was removed and left behind hidden under the pile of dirty clothes at the back door? A small child’s foot print was discovered along the scent trail the bloodhounds followed that morning? By the way, Billybob has put a lot of effort into a map that shows the scent trail the dogs followed that morning and posted it on the Forum. TY Billybob again it is a invaluable piece to this puzzle.IMO.

I direct you all back to the fact that a caregiver is the first person of interest and suspect on anyone list. The crime that we have been led to believe happened beginning with the 911 call, police report and the known public effort that PCSO and every agency near and far was doing, to look for this child. I ask everyone do you realy think that:
1. Misty did it and acted alone?
2. Tommy did it and acted alone?
If either of these two did do something and acted alone I am having a very hard time understand motive and ability to not have cracked in 18 months. I also question their opportunity to alone stage the MH and the scent trail through the woods and neighborhood all the way to the tracks. Misty had no phone or had turned it off at approximately 8:30 pm that night nor did she have a vehicle.
Tommy was a good boy that night according to Lindsy and had cooked dinner and was with the kids till she arrived home after 10 pm. She claims they ate dinner and watched TV before going to bed. Apparently both Tommy and Lindsey where awoken when LE knocked on there door in regards to HaLeigh was missing. A time line is obvious if Misty and Tommy have told the truth in any of the lies.IMO.
My point is with such a limited time line and all that we do know of the original crime scene that was revealed in the police report and the efforts that where done to find this child how far could someone get with HaLeigh and commit the perfect crime to have gotten away with it for over 18 months. I just can not see the Croslins that have been under our microscope of having the intelligence and or the heart of stone that would of been required to have denied and now lie to get away with murder. The fact that these individuals have pointed at one another form the beginning tells me that one acted alone or none are involved. SO is it a SO that has it in his mind that little HaLeigh that will Stay a child “forever” so to speak and would have already developed a relationship with this child and a desire to act. The fact that HaLeigh was taken in the middle of the night without the watchful eye of Misty or Ron protection indicates it was the only opportunity this person had to take HaLeigh. I then ask who would HaLeigh be exposed to but continuously supervised around? Who would of been considered missing in this social group after the fact or acting suspicious when around. I know we all have focused on the families involved and they all in turn have acted and done suspicious things, but, the fact is we have focused on their dysfunctions and our sense of the morality issues involved and not the crime that was committed against a HaLeigh.
My questions today are valid and after 18 months and many lives destroyed it is time that the crime of HaLeighs abduction is solved and the public’s outcry for justice to be delivered. I will be back later to be enlightened by everyone else’s thoughts and opinions. Need to water and feed before it gets to hot.

Teresa said she sees Junior just not that much. There is a video of her saying it. Not much could mean she doesnt have time to go as often as she would like or not much could mean not every day like before. But she does see him.jmo

Tex – I know you believe Crystal’s family did this and that may be true but I’m still really stuck on the Misty / Tommy thing. Sorry.

An SO wouldn’t care if Haleigh had a medical condition. She’d be used and killed so her medical needs not of any importance to them.

And yes, I CAN see Misty and Tommy keeping quiet if they knew they would be facing murder charges. Plenty of cases where people confess on their death beds after keeping a secret of decades.

And yes, I have focused on the crime against Haleigh. But it is the actions of those around her who were responsible for her that draw my attention when looking for the guilty party.

If Misty is truly the Sociopath I believe her to be and devoid of emotion as she appears to be, I think she could be capable of just about anything.

Truth is, none of us has a clue what transpired but as of this moment my money is still on Misty and Tommy. That could change tomorrow and if I knew what LE knows it might very well change today. But based on what I know right now, I’m sticking with Misty and Tommy as being the guilty parties.

Anybody worried about the ‘State of Ronald’? LOL

Does anybody think that Ronald sent Tommy over to the house to place him at the scene?

puddy hole, I think that could be a possibility.

Texasmommy–I do not think the Croslins were responsible. I think LE needs to go back to square one and start with neighbors or someone that visits that MH park on a regular basis. I think someone saw Haleigh, maybe playing outside with other children, riding her bike, or getting off the bus. I think it had to be someone who watched the house, and the comings and goings of the people who lived there. They waited until Misty and the children went to bed and came in and abducted Haleigh. I do not necessarily mean it has to be an SO, but someone who flew under the radar of LE. I do not believe the MH was picked at random. You hit a good point with the scent trail, too. If you look past the dysfunction of the Croslin family tree (or all the families involved) does any of them appear to be that clever or that devious? Their lies are not even that clever to me and they sound like something these people could never dream up on their own. I don’t buy any of it. Their education level alone belies the fact they could get away with this heinous crime for 18 months and leave not a single trace to tie them to it. Their lies and their seeming endless supply of gruesome details will probably be their undoing, because whether they are responsible or not, LE deems them guilty. And we have all seen what LE will do to gain a conviction–not justice (Remember Kevin Fox and Jerry Hobbs’ cases to see how LE gets “their” man–not the real guilty person). JMO

LS @ 10:50 – I said the concept was toxic sewage imo. That means, well, um, that I think the concept iss toxic sewage.
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puddy hole @ 10:53 – Nope. Because I’ve never heard of one shred of information or evidence that places T there other than T saying he was there. It makes no sense at all. But go ahead and keep banging away at R. I understand it’s very hard to give up old habits.

JB–I understand your relunctance to believe that LE would stoop to such devious levels to solve a case, especially a high profile case as this one. LE knows what a confession is worth–it is much simpler, not to mention cost effective, to gain one of those then to trample all over thousands of acres or drain ponds and rivers. After 18 months, and interrogation after interrogation, and numerous LDTs to boot, Haleigh is no where to be found–and no one is no closer to the truth.
All we have is some pretty outlandish stories and some hefty drug trafficking sentences–No Haleigh, No Truths, No Answers. I think LE is way off base here, and the day they declared that this, in no uncertain terms, is not a stranger abduction, is the day that tunnel vision became evident and locked in. Anyone else that was brought to their attention got a cursory glance, if anything at all. Their bullseye has been on Misty and Tommys’s backs and never trained anywhere else. They are diligently investigating this case they say–I say you can’t be if you are fixated on a group of people to the exclusion of anyone or anything else–you are just going through the motions of an investigation. And that is sad for Haleigh’s sake, as well as the people who love her. JMO

Robin – I guess I’m hoping they have a lot of evidence that we don’t know about. I know they can get tunnel vision, I know mistakes are made, I know about false confessions and I PRAY that is not the case here. It could be but I’m really praying it isn’t so. I want justice for Haleigh SO badly and I don’t care WHO it was that took her, I want them to pay! It doesn’t matter to me if my theories are correct or not. I just want TRUTH! Haleigh deserves that much! 😥

puddy hole said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 10:53 am

Does anybody think that Ronald sent Tommy over to the house to place him at the scene?
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Nope. I don’t think he asked him to go over there at all, he just wanted to know if Misty was there. If Tommy was worried at all about Misty he would have gone over immediately and not wait an hour or so to go “check on them”

m2c said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 11:20 am

LS @ 10:50 – I said the concept was toxic sewage imo. That means, well, um, that I think the concept iss toxic sewage.

*****

Nope, maybe you should go back and read what you actually wrote.

LS @ 12:13 – What I wrote is:
m2c said,in August 19th, 2010 at 10:42 am “Oh, yeah. Anyone really believe that Jr’s gma and ggma DON’T want to see him? That concept strikes me as being comprised of 100% toxic sewage.”

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Concept = that gma and ggma DON’T want to see jr.

And that was mentioned by several others in various contexts. So my response is not about you. It’s about the concept.

I’m also curious as to why it keeps getting repeated and repeated that LE basically refused to look at other possible ‘suspects’ and ‘tunneled’ straight to and only to one area of subjects.

It was reported numerous times and stated in pressers by LE that homes were searched in the immediate area and that neighbors opened their homes to be searched at will and questioned freely. It would appear that neighbors and neighborhood citizens knew how imoprtant to an investigation that ‘ruling out’ was. Sure… get in here and check me out so you can keep moving and not waste precious time.

It was not only homes of SO. They also set up lie detectors and offered to give them to keep the process rolling.

I still see alot of selective acceptance of supposed ‘facts’. We know from Misty that a light was on, we know from Misty that it was such and such a time that they all went to bed, we know from Misty…oh, wait. Can we believe anything Misty has said? If so, which parts? Which ones do we automatically discredit and false and which ones do we cling to because we ‘like’ the sound of that part?

What do you think about the fact that TN seems to smile and say that she believes the little girl is not deceased. Is this simply a nervous twitch, denial, or an indication that she knows something that RC has told her. Did RC set up his ex by staging an abduction when his daughter was not returned on time from her scheduled visitation?

And Marc Klaas knows this how? Do not get me wrong because I have the utmost respect for him and the tremendous efforts and strides he has done for missing/murdered children everywhere after the loss of his daughter. He is not an investigator and in no way privy to the facts, just like we are not. That is his opinion and no way refelcts that he knows more than John Q. Public. I have to look also at the fact that he is an expert on a show that has promoted Misty’s guilt daily and one that also let’s Flo Hollars have a platform to spin her glorified BS. I do respect him immensely, but I do not agree with him. JMO

John W Sharp said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:39 am

Vaqurea – What is your theory?

Who do you believe?

What do you believe happened?

Who was involved?

Where is haleigh?

Who knows something?

I’m up late and have nothing to do.
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Sorry I went to bed,LOL

I have many theories depending on the day..

One is Tommy was molesting Haleigh and she said she was going to tell and he killed her.

Another one is Tommy handed her off to Marty Sheffield and Marty had her hidden somewhere in KY when they abruptly moved up there.Then they abruptly moved back,she might be closer to home now. (This one stays in the fore front more than other theories)

Another one is Haleigh caught Tommy stealing that night and said she was going to tell her daddy and he did something..

All my theories now do include Tommy,it didn’t use to be that way till we found out last fall he put himself back at that mobile home later that night.

Puddyhole, The children were not at Crystals the weekend before Monday. It was a scheduled visit for her ,but in a video on you tube Ron refused her for that week-end. Crystal had not seen her children in two weeks.

just-saying said,in August 19th, 2010 at 12:35 pm I’m also curious as to why it keeps getting repeated and repeated that LE basically refused to look at other possible ’suspects’ and ‘tunneled’ straight to and only to one area of subjects
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Because it seems they concluded that it was not a stranger abduction because they said there was no forced entry. We know of real cases where a child was abducted by a stranger and there was no forced entry.

Because even if they somehow checked out all 44 RSOs in the area, there is no guarantee that another one wasn’t visiting the area or passing thru or maybe not known to be an RSO.

Because they also ruled out a family-abduction (at least publicly) in a very very early statement but we don’t know of anything that would rule it out and several reasons why it would be feasible.

Because we have seen few signs of sincerely investigating in any direction other than “misty.”
And that has gotten nowhere.

Generally I’m a big supporter of LE but I also know they are human – with all that entails. So I can’t just follow along blindly accepting whatever they say. I believe it’s our job as the public to keep asking questions until the disappearance is solved.

Just-saying–My theory is based on speculation, since facts are not readily available. Did they look at other people? Probably..but how well? Did they run intense background checks? Who knows? Walking into someone’s house and looking around and asking a few simple questions does not absolve any one of guilt? Because Haleigh was not at the house when police searched does not necessarily mean they are innocent either. And volunteering your house for a search does not automatically clear you off the suspect list..but it does help. Since we do not how many people volunteered for LDTs or who all took them, I cannot say one way or another. But how many were intensely interrogated or polygraphed that the public knows about and was widely reported to the media? I say that’s a handful and most are incarcerated right now for drug trafficking. The Misty is the key statement leads me to believe that the focus has been on her and her family early on and has stayed that way since. The only diligence I see in this investigation is LE getting Misty/Tommy to confess. But that’s just my opinion.

M2c, that was well said.

Tommy Croslin’s Attorney ‘Shocked’ at Drug Sentence, Says New Haleigh Info Not Surprising

ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — Tommy Croslin has been struggling with drugs for years, and has been trying to get out of the circle of addiction, his lawyer said today.

Attorney James Werter also said Croslin was “shocked” at his recent sentence of 15 years in prison on two drug charges, one for possession and one for trafficking.

They plan to appeal the sentence.

Werter also spoke about this week’s revelation from Misty Croslin, Tommy’s sister, regarding Haleigh Cummings’ abduction.

Croslin’s attorney Robert Fields told his client’s sister Misty Croslin’s side of the story, giving graphic details of what happened in February 2009, when the 5-year-old girl disappeared from a home while Misty Croslin was babysitting.

Fields said Misty told police that Tommy Croslin and cousin Joe Overstreet came to the house looking for a gun, but took Haleigh when they couldn’t find it.

Werter said that really wasn’t a new revelation; investigators have known those details for months, but they haven’t been made public before this week.

Tommy Croslin was there, according to the story, but had no role in taking Haleigh. Instead, Overstreet did it.

It was a phone call from Tommy Croslin that led to an intensification in the search for Haleigh this spring, but nothing came of the search.

Werter said Tommy and his sister have had no contact since their arrest in January on the drug charges for which Tommy was sentenced, and the fact that both of them tell the same story means it is true.

Misty Croslin entered pleas of “no contest” this week to her drug charges, and is scheduled for sentencing in October.

JB, not sure but I don’t think there is a time frame on when a case becomes a “cold case”, I think that is something that LE “declares” at will.

LadySadie – I was afraid of that! LE may never declare this a cold case and we may never know what they have! 🙁

You know Werter said that Misty and Tommy have no contact since Janurary so that means this story is true. Well! in the phone call between G.Hollar and Tommy we hear Tommy tell Lyndsey it is a story she has already heard before!!!
Sorry Werter nice try though!!

I think the black bag was the only thing that Misty added to her story this time..Did Granny Hollers ever mention a black bag? Or Tommy?

I never thought this was any stranger abduction. Too many varied stories popped up too quickly all at once. I always leaned more toward the maternal side at first, but began to believe over last summer one or more of the Croslins also was involved as well.

I pulled this question off of another site. Was it ever established just how the van got over to Timmys and Chelseas that night? It might not amount to anything, but seems somebody had to have driven it over there to begin with from Tommys house. Did Misty drive it over and walk back? Did Tommy drive it over and walk back? Did somebody drive either of them back home in the van? What time did all this happen? I think that would be important to ask in light of what all has been said from Tommy. I also seem to remember Chelsea saying she always left the keys in one place, how could that be if she just borrowed the van that night?

Granny 23 said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

I think the black bag was the only thing that Misty added to her story this time..Did Granny Hollers ever mention a black bag? Or Tommy?
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she mentioned the night she was on Jane’s last show that Joe wrapped her up in a bag or something. I will try and find that last interview, but the bag stuff just recently came out. I bet Flo is still talking to Misty 😉

I meant to say granny 23 in her first version back in April. She did this time though.

Yeah, Werter is starting to resemble Bozo! Open mouth, insert foot, leg, thigh and A$$! Idiot. How does he think he’s helping his client by contradicting himself and the things his own client has said?

And yes, I remember the story about Joe wrapping Misty up in a blanket or something. One minute she’s under the blanket with Jr, then a blanket is missing, then she washes a blanket, then there is a blanket in the van (Haleigh’s) and then she’s wrapped up in a blanket (and the point of that would be what?)…..I guess she ran out of ways to add to the story with blankets so she’s moved on to bags now! 🙄

I just went and read the transcripts and Granny Flo never mentions a black bag, she said they wrapped her in a yellow rope.

vaquera said,in August 19th, 2010 at 1:17 pm Granny 23 said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

I think the black bag was the only thing that Misty added to her story this time..Did Granny Hollers ever mention a black bag? Or Tommy?
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she mentioned the night she was on Jane’s last show that Joe wrapped her up in a bag or something. I will try and find that last interview, but the bag stuff just recently
came out. I bet Flo is still talking to Misty

Either that, or someone told Granny H what her lawyer had said and she added that to her story. I didn’t think she ever mentioned it before. The story just grows and grows..like that game of telephone.

Granny 23 said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

vaq, I read that same article..so Werter basically says that the story Misty and Tommy told is true..I wonder how he knows that?
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because they is what the lying Croslins told him 😉

looking for Justice said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Puddyhole, The children were not at Crystals the weekend before Monday. It was a scheduled visit for her ,but in a video on you tube Ron refused her for that week-end. Crystal had not seen her children in two weeks.
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The weekend before Haleigh went missing was not Crystal’s scheduled weekend as she just had them the weekend before and she got Jr the weekend after Haleigh went missing which was her scheduled weekend.

Does anyone remember the guys name Misty thought set them up? Linda was the womans name and I remember the guy was being charge with selling stolen weapons. Misty said they were Rons friends, I just wonder if this is where Ron would have gotten a gun that was not registered? John Barrow I think thats the name?jmo

Sorry, I just don’t buy Misty’s story. For one thing, she was not at all afraid that night. She just was not. Yet EVERYBODY insists that she was lucid, not on drugs that night etc etc. By all accounts she LOVED Haleigh. Why NOT tell LE that night? If all, according to her latest story, had to do with RON’S gun—not anything Misty did. Sorry–Just don’t buy this story. Makes NO sense. I want evidence.

And NO…I don’t believe for one minute that Misty would “protect” her family, yet hide and NOT protect Haleigh. Her story is just that, a story.

First coast updated the article I just posted…same link as I posted above.

Tommy Croslin’s Attorney Says Croslin said Haleigh Likely Strangled

ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — Tommy Croslin, one of three people believed to have been in a mobile home the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, told investigators he thinks she was strangled by his cousin, his attorney said today.

Attorney James Werter, representing Croslin, who was sentenced to 15 years in prison this month, said Croslin told authorities in April that he believed Joe Overstreet strangled Haleigh after losing his temper in February 2009.

Overstreet, Croslin’s cousin, was reportedly looking for a gun that belonged to Haleigh’s father Ronald, but couldn’t find it.

Croslin, who said he was with Overstreet at the time, went on to say Overstreet lost his temper and went after Haleigh.

Werter said Croslin told this information to authorities in April, which led to a re-intensified search for the missing girl in the water near their Satsuma home.

That story meshes with what Tommy’s sister told authorities as well.

Earlier this week, after the “no contest” plea by Misty Croslin on her drug charges, her attorney told Misty’s side of what happened.

(there’s more to the article)

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link again
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=163701&catid=3

tobias said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

Does anyone remember the guys name Misty thought set them up? Linda was the womans name and I remember the guy was being charge with selling stolen weapons. Misty said they were Rons friends, I just wonder if this is where Ron would have gotten a gun that was not registered? John Barrow I think thats the name?jmo

John Barton and Linda’s brother is a deputy with PCSO.

I can buy the choking to death of a small child and having no evidence left behind proving that. No blood, very little struggle…hate to think it, but its something I can believe happened.

I alway place my purse and my keys in the exact spot, be it a loaner or a rental car so maybe that is what she meant.

LadyDay said,in August 19th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
““snipped by me““
Chelsea saying she always left the keys in one place, how could that be if she just borrowed the van that night?

Still dont see Tommy and Misty covering for him. Heck Misty wouldnt even protect Tommy, she has proven that by telling on him for the B&E and she pointed at him in the LVA,too. jmo

MC2–“Gosh knows how many people who are not residents of the immediate area could pass thru on a regular basis or know people who live there and learn enough. Or just have been surreptitiously watching over a period of time.”–

I do agree with this in general, but not so much when you look at the map views. This is really not a home that sits next to a lookout spot (for long term viewing without notice) or even neighbor friendly setting …the neighborhood really seems to set apart from the motorhome.

And really, my point is not to speak and/or debate general, I’m looking at and for more possible for this actual motor home setting. I’ve viewed the satellite imagines of setting and they just don’t easily fit generalizations.

I’m not agruing the point, sure…could of happened…but not as readily as the thought appears.

Tommy said it, but he just thinks she was strangled. Sounds like he made that up to me.

ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — Tommy Croslin, one of three people believed to have been in a mobile home the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, told investigators he thinks she was strangled by his cousin, his attorney said today.
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vaquera said,in August 19th, 2010 at 2:59 pm How would Misty know? she said she was hiding under the covers and Joe was in the living room

Jules said,in August 19th, 2010 at 3:22 pm Tommy said it, but he just thinks she was strangled. Sounds like he made that up to me.

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Maybe Tommy was hiding under a blanket too! LMAO

I love all the details they keep adding, then changing, then recanting, then adding. 🙄 SO WHERE IS HALEIGH????

To create reasonable doubt?

Misty knows what tommy did. Imo

Yup, I’m feeling pretty good about my TC / MC theory. I may have a few holes in my theory but the nuts and bolts of it are still there. Come on LE, find what it is you need to nail these two!!!!! JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!!!!!! 👿

Vaq, There is a video on you tube.com, Crystal Sheffield Mother Of Haleigh Cummings, Feb,11 2009 interview that says they were suppose to have them the week end before Haleigh disappeared. This would be Friday Feb 6th – Sunday Feb 8th 2009 and Haeigh disappeared the night of the 9th or early morning of the 10th of Feb 2009. I am basing my post by that interview with Crystal and Marie.

vaquera, I can understand the livid while reading.

Tommy left, but only after Joe had HaLeigh in the bag, I guess.

A few days ago I was feeling sorry to Tommy and Misty for the long prison sentences on the drug charges, but after hearing the black bag story then the strangled story I am more than livid and think they should both get LWOP.

What I want to know is WHY their attornies LET them tell any of these stories? It does them no good at all. Better to say, “I don’t know.” All these stories do is make both of them look worse. I can’t believe this can be remotely in their best interest.

Werter should know (and Fields, too) that LE was MORE mad at T after searching Shell Harbor than if T had never told that story in the first place. So how could Fields put M in the same kind of position especially at sentencing time?

Does anyone really see this as a move that an honest attorney would let his client make at this time?

If I was the Lawyer I would even want proof before I made these statements. No way would I advise a client to tell anything with out a deal in place. jmo

Tobias ITA your 3:05pm post.

Right Tobias and that Friday TN is the one who went and dropped Jr. off to Crystal. Thank you

All I can say come Oct at Misty’s sentencing, it’s going to get really interesting.

I hope both sides of the family show up once again and Misty has to look into each and everyone of their eyes. I have no doubt Ron will be there too.

Misty’s PC court records have been updated.Lisa’s still hasn’t though

08/16/2010 46 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY ROBERT FIELDS
08/16/2010 46 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
08/16/2010 46 HYDROCODONE (28 G. – 30 KG.)
08/16/2010 46 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $10,000 FINE
08/16/2010 46 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 10/19/2010
08/16/2010 46 SENTENCING RESET TO 10/04/2010 @ 1:30 PM
08/19/2010 47 REQUEST FOR PSI
08/19/2010 48 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
08/19/2010 49 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)

Tommy and Misty are not spilling these stories to the public–their worthless attorneys are. What happened to lawyer/client privilege? Has anyone ever saw the antics in a high profile case act like this (besides Casey’s)? Posting on Facebook about an ongoing investigation and making media rounds to spill the guilt of your client without evidence or a plea deal? Adding on and taking off details the way they see fit. These are the actions of disreputable and unconscionable men (no way should they wear an attoney label). In the best interests of this case and for the sake of any future court proceeding involving Haleigh’s case, a judge needs to put a gag order on these attorneys (or whatever they call themselves) or put a muzzle on them–whichever works. JMO

the rest of them are basically the same except for the amounts of the pills..

08/16/2010 46 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY ROBERT FIELDS
08/16/2010 46 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
08/16/2010 46 HYDROCODONE (4G – 14G)
08/16/2010 46 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $10,000 FINE
08/16/2010 46 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 10/19/2010
08/16/2010 46 SENTENCING RESET TO 10/04/2010 @ 1:30 PM
08/19/2010 47 REQUEST FO PSI
08/19/2010 48 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM) IN JAIL
08/19/2010 49 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 P

VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, when was the last time that you saw your grandchild?

MARIE GRIFFIS, GRANDMOTHER: It was two weeks ago when they got their visitation to come stay with us (INAUDIBLE) We pick them up Friday night 6:00 o’clock and we return them Sunday at 6:00 o’clock.

(she said that on Feb 12th)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html

Crystal Sheffield said she last saw Haleigh two weeks ago and was scheduled to see her this Friday. She said Haleigh would visit her at her home in Baker County.
http://www.jurorthirteen.com/GeneralCategories/Investigations/HaleighCummings/tabid/1263/Default.aspx

Good gawd, he just can’t STFU, can he?

Attorney: Croslin’s Cousin Killed Haleigh
Hank Croslin, Misty Cummings’ Attorneys’ Accounts Coincide

POSTED: Thursday, August 19, 2010
UPDATED: 4:58 pm EDT August 19, 2010
Haleigh Cummings
An Amber Alert was issued Feb. 10, 2009, for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings
MORE ONLINE:
Haleigh Cummings Disappearance Timeline
Tour Of Satsuma Home Where Haleigh Disappeared
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. — The attorney for Hank Croslin Jr. said Thursday that his client told him Joe Overstreet, Croslin’s cousin, killed Haleigh Cummings in a Satsuma mobile home in February 2009 because he couldn’t find the machine gun he came looking for.

“He took the body down to the dock and came back without the body, and there you have it,” Croslin’s attorney, James Werter, said. “At the dock that night, Joe Overstreet put Haleigh in the (St. Johns) (R)iver.”

Werters’ statements corroborate what Misty Cummings’ attorney, Robert Fields, said Tuesday. He said Misty Cummings, Haleigh’s former stepmother, told investigators that her cousin, Overstreet, put Haleigh in a black bag and took her away. He said Haleigh was a “substitute” for the gun.

Werter said Croslin drove to a dock with Overstreet as Haleigh’s lifeless body lay in the back seat. Werter said Overstreet threatened to kill Croslin, which is why he went along with the plan.

“(Croslin) stayed in the vehicle and didn’t help in any fashion,” Werter said. “Joe was ordering him around, ‘Do that. Do this.'”

Werter said Putnam County investigators threatened Croslin with accessory to murder charges, which is why Werter will no longer allow Croslin to talk to tell his account.

“My advice to him is don’t talk,” Werter said. “They’re threatening felony murder charges. How can I let him talk if he says he held the door open for Joe when they carried Haleigh’s body out of the house. I can’t make him an accessory after the facts of these little threats.”

http://www.news4jax.com/news/24690929/detail.html

So now Tommy held the door open for Joe?
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I thought in the beginning of this case with all the circus clowns that attached themselves to this case was a big ol’ circus, but this stuff has that beat…hands down.

tobias said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

Did they name the brick Tommy because thats what was holding the door open thelast time I heard. jmo
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LMAO, thank you so much for the much needed laugh.

I thought the same thing. The door was held opened by the cinder block or did Werter forget that part?

LE took Joes clothes and I bet they knew from Chesea what he had on that day. She said he went to bed with his clothes on so if he was there Haleighs DNA( hAIR ETC.) Would be all over thise clothes. jmo

So Werter claims that TC was afraid for his life, BUT didn’t help in any way, BUT JO was ordering TC around, do this, do that. So did TC do as he was ordered?

If that baby was thrown in the river in a black bag she would have been found the next morning. Boats were all over that river, and no I don’t think the gators, who would not have been eating during that time, would have found the black bag, knew it was “food” and drug it down to a den.

These lawyers are setting up their appeal defense. They will claim that both Misty and TC DID cooperate with LE and DID tell them what happened and DID tell them who did it, BUT LE gave them lengthy sentences anyway, even with all of their cooperation.

It will also lead to reasonable doubt if either of them are charged with killing Haleigh.

If they made this story up they both need to go to a reputable media source and give an interview and tell if they made the story up at the insistence of LE to get lower sentences.

For once in their lives they need to tell the truth.

My theory is Misty did it. She was in a rage after that fight with Ron on the phone and the kids were fighting over the DVDs. She said she put Juior in the livingroom and he watched his movie in ther. Haleigh went into the bedroom and I believe this is where Misty went nots over trying to get her to bed and Hleigh peed. Misty killed her then acted like she was asleep for Junior. washed the blankets. Junior went to bed. She put Haleigh in the bag. She blocked the door so she could drag the bag out. Tommy shows up at the request of Ron to find Misty freaking out and helps get rid of the evidence with Misty (Junior is asleep).
She comes back and cleans everything up and thinks a SO will get blamed. sHE ALSO TELLS tOMMY THAT IF rON FINDS OUT THE TRUTH HE WILL KILL ALL OF THEM. JMO

Even Bozo isnt out saying what Casey has told him and in my book he is inept. But these 2 so called lawyers are the worst. jmo

The lawyers should know with out evidence they are just burying their clients. jmo

JB..

As per your comment: “The SO or stranger abduction theory actually ranks higher on my list. But I don’t know why Misty and Tommy would be telling these hideous stories and CHANGING the stories if they didn’t have some involvement.”
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Taken out of context of course..

The only thing I can possible imagine as a reason for telling these stories..

Were they trying to tell PCSO what they thought they wanted to hear? And to get out of jail?? Because none of the other stories they told seemed to work… Other than that.. I have no idea..

Tommy’s new mugshot. He looks jaundiced 😀

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=713778906

OK, try this: Misty and Tommy are telling the truth, best they can because their sense of reality is fluid and drug addled. Ron knows the truth, that Joe did, in fact, take and kill HaLeigh. His talk is worse than his walk (leave it alone, Jaba 🙂 ) so he doesn’t actually go after Joe, just talks about it. He tightly controls his image (“I don’t do drugs,” “I smile for photos, even mug shots”) so he doesn’t want anyone to know that he actually played a role in this murder via guns and drugs.

I am thinking she gave Haleigh meds to put her too sleep and she OD. I think that is why Chelsea was stressing on NG that there were loose pills lying around the home.

Cate that is also a good possibility.

lfJ, that Joe really did do it or that PCSO bullies and pressures?

jaba, “I seen three…”

tobias, so then Tommy goes to the house and since the guns aren’t there HE’S the one who “substitutes HaLeigh?”

You know I had a wild thoughts about that weapon, where did ron actually acquire it?? Wouldn’t you need a permit to own such a weapon??

If Joe is/was allegedly involved in criminal activity in Tenn, was his reason to come to florida a bit more than to visit family, was his intent to bring anything to florida and possible return with something he shouldn’t..

There seems to be more to the story about the weapon and the fight and the actual day it occurred.. was reported to have occurred on Sunday night.. A fight was overheard by a local, at tommys.. spilled out onto the street.

First it was told, and then ron denied it, then it was suppose to have occurred weeks prior, yet joe had only been there 9 days..
and then ron sent misty to tommys to find it and then she found it under the board in the drainage ditch.. this is not a small weapon..
So many tales.. so hard to figure the truth..

So, the wild thought that came about..
Was it possible that joe brought the weapon to sell for things, and the transaction went south, if the person acquiring the weapon couldn’t obtain the things.. yet already had possession of the weapon?? And Joe was trying to obtain it back?? Boy may not have wanted to go home empty handed.. After all if we are going to be playing in their version of Alice and Wonderland, we can have wild thoughts..

mlee, I don’t think your thoughts are particularly wild (hope that doesn’t disappoint you 😉 ). I think you are quite likely right on the money and that the fight over the gun, or guns, any weapons, is key.

Yes, Tobias. I can see that theory! I do think those three know what went down in the home the night Haleigh disappeared.

I believe if she was abducted and someone took her out in public she would not look like Haleigh. Her hair would be short and dark. Her birthmark would have makeup on it to hide it. And the place would not be very public, maybe a park or playground, so she could play. jmo

I dont get why this garbage (what Misty’s lawyer said) is being printed-anywhere. There should be SOME kind of evidence to back up a story of this magnitude—think of Haliegh’s family having to read this. From this point forward-hold on. Misty will continue to tell whooper after whooper–hoping something will stick and get her out of jail. Yes, she is that naive.

I dont get why this garbage (what Misty’s lawyer said) is being printed-anywhere. There should be SOME kind of evidence to back up a story of this magnitude—think of Haliegh’s family having to read this. From this point forward-hold on. Misty will continue to tell whooper after whooper–hoping something will stick and get her out of jail. Yes, she is that naive.

Going to watch JVM bbl.

Somehow, I get the feeling that there is more here than meets the eye, and often wondered if there were to different cases going on at the same time.. How they relate to each other, I don’t know.. I do believe the gun issue is separate from the Haleigh gone missing issue.. Yet, they seem to melt into one pot close to the same time… I want to believe that Haleigh is alive and well.. I haven’t seen anything yet that is believable enough to deem her as having passed.

If there were a struggle in the house, it would have shown up during the investigation of the house.. And I cannot get passed knowing that Female Deputy was at ron’s house before the 911 call was made.. But, I don’t believe she was looking for Haleigh, I think she was looking for misty… that would explain the Detectives comments about the call coming in at 2:15am, and would explain his statement that one of the grandma’s had come by to check on the kids earlier, and he stated point blank it was Teresa Neves.. Only in his statement had or has that ever come out of PCSO. Thought he made a mistake when he had the interview, but he wouldn’t make a mistake about those details.. Conclusion, if misty wasn’t there when the Female deputy went to the house, then where was she and when did she arrive?? Confusion….

tobias said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
I believe if she was abducted and someone took her out in public she would not look like Haleigh…

I would think that, too. On the other hand, why not be sure? If that child (the one in the report the unmentionable has on his site) is not HaLeigh, then who is she? Put it to rest like the Our Maddie look-alike in England or the Kyron look-alike(s) in Portland/Vancouver. Better to have it out there and be done with it.

Thanks Vaquera. I am just a bit confused as when I read the transcript of N. Grace’s show from April of this year, Chelsea said she lived more than 3 or 4 miles from Tommys. Google map gives the milage at around 4.8 miles. She also said in the same interview she asked Tommy to borrow the car that night so by that statment it would make a person wonder when exactly did she have that van in light of previous activities. Doesnt matter if it was 1/10 of a mile or 10 miles, I do not see any of them walking the distance back. Just too many misleading statements out there, not by posters but by some of the family members.

aNOTHER STRANGE OCCURANCE LATELY WAS THE BIG GUN BUST IN gEORGIA WHERE GUESS WHO ( cHUCK iNGRAM) WAS ARRESTED FOR A GUN VIOLATION AND IS HELD IN CUSTODY OF THE fEDS. jmo

tobias & vaq, is the John Wynn Barton docket the one(s) in Putnam County?

it’s was a beretta 9MM which is a handgun, that’s only been said about 1000 times in the last 18 months

Misty said she had visited this guy with Ron and he is Rons friend, guess Ron has some really bad ass friends. jmo

tobias, how can i find this john wynn/wayne barton docket? County? TIA.

PUTNAM COUNTY JAIL LOGS THEN GO TO LINKS THEN GO TO CLERK OF COURTS THEN GO TO ONLINE DOCKETS CRIMINAL DOCKETS USE % IN FIRST 2 SLOTS LAST NAME % AND IT COMES UP. hOPE i GOT IT RIGHT. JMO

tobias, thanks for the info, i find barton, john wynn, 2 diff records in putnam county. One record shows dealing in stolen property and POSSESSION OF WEAPON OR AMMO BY CONVICTED FLA FELON; then CONTEMPT OF COURT VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE & BATTERY TOUCH OR STRIKE.

These are the ones you and vaq are discussing?

Goodnight and Peace.

LadieSadie do you know if the Ryan Cummings in the Franklin Correctional Institute with Tommy Croslin is related to Ronald Cummings?

Vaq, do you know if this Ryan is related to Ronald per my post@ 8:47pm

So many theories on this list, it makes a person’s head spin. It would help if we paid attention to the facts.
1. The machine gun. It was a machine gun, fully automatic, WWII vintage and is now in the possession of PCSO. It does exist.

2. Tommy lies, Misty lies. Nothing new there. But Tommy as said for well over a year that Joe went over to the MH to get that machine gun that night. It wasn’t until April that indicated he was present at the MH the same time Joe was there. Remember, Joe was leaving the next day. What better opportunity to steal a machine gun from Ron when he’s leaving town the next day? Actually I think he left the same day but I might be mistaken about that.

3. Black bag opinion. MIsty says a bag. Tommy says no bag. I think Misty might have seen Joe carrying a coat or something else and mistook it for a bag. Tommy has been very clear that he saw Haleigh lying on the back seat of the van, not moving. No bag. I think Misty is mistaken about what she saw.

4. Shell Harbor. Misty and Tommy did not ride together to and from the dock. They did ride together once from the St. Johns County jail to the FDLE office. I’m sure their conversation in the back seat was monitored by the officers transporting them. Other than that they have not had contact with each other since their arrests.

5. TexasMommy and the Sex Offender theory. Good theory. Wrong sex offender. You’re thinking of “registered sex offenders.” How about someone that has not yet been convicted. Joe Overstreet has been accused twice of sexually molesting two other 5 year old girls. Sex Offender theory works, you just have to pick the right one. And those are the ones we know about. Quote from Misty to Chelsea, “Nobody knows what Joe has done to me.”

6. Padilla doesn’t know crap about this case. Timmy was with his dad Hank Sr. in a car accident. He was passed out on pain meds (well no surprise there, pain meds, imagine that?) because of the traffic accident when their car was totaled. Hank Sr was in the hospital with LIsa at his side. Not likely either Hank Sr or Timmy got up in the middle of the night and made a run over to Misty’s MH. Get a life Padilla, get the facts.

7. There were no phone calls from Misty that night. No calls for help to come dispose of a body. The” Haleigh overdosed” theory is bull.

8. There was a call from Tommy to Joe Overstreet earlier in the evening where they agreed to meet later, around midnight, and go over to the MH. That’s the only call that the PCSO can’t account for and I just told you what it was about.

9. Misty buried the body. Well, the place was pretty well searched by PCSO, Tim Miller, cadaver dogs, police dogs and everybody else. Sorry, can’t believe that Misty disposed of the body anywhere around the MN.

10. Misty went to TN and wasn’t afraid of Joe. Well, she did go to TN. I don’t think we know if she was afraid of Joe or not, but Joe threatened to harm her only if she ratted him out. As long as she kept her mouth shout she had nothing to fear from him.

Okay, that’s my review of the few “facts” we have. Actually I have a bit more but it can wait until Sunday’s show.

I do have a few more to share.

11. Misty heard Haleigh screaming. Probably did. Ronald Jr probably did too. Tommy, nodded out the couch on Oxys and Xanex woke up when he heard “some commotion” from Halieghs’ room. Oxys and Xanex in combo cause memory loss. Tommy is fuzzy about some of the details. Haleigh was dead before she left the trailer. Person’s saying she was alive at the dock don’t know crap.

12. Blag bag, on more time. If Joe or anyone is going through a body in the river, a black garbage bag is the last thing you’d want to use. It would preserve the body and increase the likely hood of it floating to the surface sooner, trapping the gases etc. Did they even have black plastic garbage bags in the house? If not then what, Joe just conjured up a black bag out of nowhere. Not likely he came prepared to kill Haleigh.

13. Fact. Joe did not like Haleigh and Haleigh did not like Joe. He starts molesting her while Misty is sitting in another room and he has to silence her. No evidence that he shot her or cut her throat there, so what did he do. He strangled her. No facts to physical facts to support that so that is my only unsupported theory. I’m allowed one.

Its a hard, actually a tough story to believe. Too many things don’t add up. However it should weigh heavy on an actual abductors conscience to set her free.

I personally think JO is a psycho. Whether he did it or not, I think he is definitely out there and capable of some crazy stuff. Misty, if raped by him, etc (which I believe she was), may have victim mentality.
If this started as a child, she could of been brainwashed or shamed or anything. There are many cases that prove the victims try to keep things normal because they try to deny what happened. Maybe she suffers from Panic disorder and PTSD? I personally think she has dissociative disorder and that is the reason none of this came out.
She had extreme guilt. She didnt’ want to rat out her brother. Hank and Lisa would never believe her…they never did before when she told them what he did. She most likely didn’t want to rat out JO because he had a mental control over her or had her believing that something bad would happen if she ever told (we hear that all the time with children). The shock and trauma of the whole situation was probably too much…maybe JO told her he would kill Haleigh the minute she said anything. She was convinced.
Who knows, but it could explain some things if Misty is telling the truth now. ???

I just have this question..if JO is indeed the culprit (and I could buy it if indeed he has molested children in the past like GeorgiaBoy has stated) then why hasn’t PCSO taken this seriously? Why hasn’t he been interrogated at the extent that Tommy and Misty have? Why hasn’t he been extradited to Florida for suspicion of abduction/murder? Kim Picazio has even stated (on this blog) that she has more information on JO than any other person in this case. You have two witnesses (though Tommy and Misty’s drug histories have some downfalls to their credibility) that have pointed the finger at JO. You have FLo Hollars (credibility issues too) who says he has acted strangely and out of character since he came back from his trip to TN. He has been free for over 18 months, so if he did this, why hasn’t LE did something to put him behind bars? That is what holds me back from buying the “Joe did it” theory. JMO

GeorgiaBoy – in your post above you do not mention RC.Do you have any thoughts regarding him? TIA

GeorgiaBoy said,
in August 19th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

So many theories on this list, it makes a person’s head spin. It would help if we paid attention to the facts.
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Morning GeorgiaBoy,
LMAO, do you know how many times that has been said and then there is a debate of what is believed to be fact and of course what everyone would like to be fiction.
Enjoyed your post.
I am curious about your opinion of the scent trail the dogs followed that morning. I have a hard time believing that Joe and TC or even Misty committed this crime because of the scent trail evidence and many other reasons. IMO if it was TC and JOE why not park out front of the MH? Why go through the woods and then back out on to a more secluded part of Green Jane? I know Joe is not from that area, but, I am sure he knew that Tyler was the first street to the right after leaving the Cummings MH on Green lane. See as much as we all would like it to fit the Croslin’s and cousin Joe as the guilty; it makes no sense with the evidence we do know about.
IMO the act of taking HaLeigh into those woods and then back to a more secluded area of Green Lane suggests that it was not a welcomed and well known family member. Even if Joe and TC where going to steal a gun from Ron’s home I do not believe they would of needed a vehicle since TC lived just a few MH away nor do I believe they would of even thought to park at the end of Green Lane in seclusion.

I also wonder if TC was so drugged out was he able to take that walk into the woods with Joe and HaLeigh or did he just wait in the Van?

Vaq, I have always heard the vintage machine gun has never surfaced. It would be something if it really does.
Vaq, I forgot to put the last name in for you last night. A friend sent me a pic of a Ryan Cummings he is incarcerated in the Franklin Correctional Institute with Tommy Croslin. I was wondering if he was Rons relative. They do have similarities.

hoops LOL

This case is so confusing. If there really was a fist fight with Ron and Joe why would Ron deny it? Hank Sr said he had to pull Ron off of him. Misty had the moment police arrived to tell her story to LE and Joe would have never left Putnam County. Neither She or Tommy would have had to be afraid of Joe at all.
I agree that Haleigh was deceased before she left that mh. According to little Jr. Haleigh did not wake up and made no noise when the man in black took her. jmo

Georgia boy,

that is not a theory. for it to be a therory,there must be SOME evidence to support it. The is none-for anything you have written. JO has not been named a person of interest, or a suspect in the case. he too has a reputation that is being torn apart by “theories”. We would not want people blogging such horrendous things about us—it stays on the internet forever and can ruin a persons chance of getting a job, etc., and it is not right to write such horrible things about JO, taking the word of a lying drug addict/dealer desperate to get out of jail.

Ron is to appear in Court at 11 am this morning.

The casual way that people throw out accusations under the guise of a “theory” is appalling–for the person being accused-with NO evidence, NOTHING. i hope our jury system works better than this…

News4Jax just said on their live stream that Ronald pled guilty to 3 charges in exchange for being a witness FOR the state. Guess we can put that Ron did it in the trash now..

Haleigh’s Dad Pleads To Drug Charges
Girl Still Missing As 3rd Person Connected To Her Pleads To Unrelated Charges
POSTED: Friday, August 20, 2010
UPDATED: 12:02 pm EDT August 20, 2010

Ronald Cummings confers with his attorney in July as his trial was postponed pending a tentative plea agreement.
PALATKA, Fla. — The father of missing girl Haleigh Cummings pleads guilty to three of five drug trafficking charges against him and agreed to testify in any future trial criminal involving the disappearance of his daughter.
Video: Ronald Cummings To Plead
Cummings, along with his ex-wife, Misty Cummings, her brother, Hank Croslin Jr., and two other people were arrested after an undercover drug sting by St. Johns and Putnam County detectives. Misty Cummings and Croslin have pleaded no contest to charges. Croslin received a 15-year sentence and Cummings faces sentencing in October.

Why would the State need to offerhim anything to testify against anyone who could be involved in Haleigh? He actually was thinking of refusing to testify? For his own flesh and blood? This stinks real bad, to me. jmo

Ronald Cummings pleads guilty to three of the five drug charges. He has agreed to testify in any future trials in his missing daughters disappearance. He is to be sentenced in October.

No it doesn’t, tobias. It proves he was never involved in what happened to Haleigh. Nobody said he was refusing to testify.

I heard Marie/Crystal were there, they were interviewing with Dana Treen.

What would Ronald know about in Haleighs disappearance? He was at work.

Hope had a crappy lawyer.Werter and Fields screwed their own clients plus the Croslins weren’t offered any plea deals, Ron was..take it up with the State’s Attorney if ya’ll don’t like how it went down.

VAQ, And where did Ron get this lawyer?He may be pro bono but you can bet it is a favor for a certain person who has been in Rons corner on National news. Just saying it my opinion. jmo

I believe Ron was not directly involved but he was a catalist for the events leading up to this and I believe he with held info that caused it to be harder to solve. jmo

Ron got Terry when he was arrested for the fight with Tommy, on his own. Had not a damn thing to do with Nancy Grace.

That was recorded by cobra who wasn’t even around Putnam county in August, he recorded that in March when Art was there. That was around the time he got Snider, which Snider didn’t do much of anything.

This deal proves only one thing, that Ron will testify on the time line. He used Haleighs case as a bargaining chip to get less time on his drug charges. Thats all it proves. jmo

lfJ, maybe AS & TN hoped they could find something of HaLeigh’s that she lost in the struggle? Just a guess.

Cate, Joe allegedly took Haleigh after placing her in a black bag down to the dock and threw her in the river. The struggle would have been at the MH. What were they looking for in the woods? This has me stumped.

PCSO said they don’t have any machine gun of Ron’s.

tobias, Really good point about when RC compared HaLeigh to a pair of shoes, I think it was.

My guess is that Misty might have told what happened much sooner, and probably Tommy, too, but Ronald threatened them, too, because he didn’t want the “negative press” about his involvement in guns and drugs.

Art got a quote from Greenwood sayings “news to me” they denied having a machine gun. Apparently Art was fed the same info from some ‘source close to the investigation’ so he called PCSO to confirm.

lfJ, I have compassion for RC but his behavior suggests to me…, even though I hate to think it, too.

lfJ, Yep, their priorities are messed up… sad, very sad.

lfJ, I tend to think their thoughts went something like, “Losing HaLeigh is bad enough, we need sympathy, not criticism.”

Cate, it has been 18 months and if they knew from day one that their daughter/granddaughter was deceased and led the Nation into believing that she was kidnapped then there can be no sympathy, because they had a lifestyle they did not want revealed. Remember I said ‘ IF’. They should of just came off the truth!

mercy and justice aren’t mutually exclusive; if they obstructed justice and it can be proven then they should be prosecuted but i can still feel sympathetic toward them

also, probably TN and AS didn’t have the full story from RC, just knew that there were certain ways that things needed to be represented.

i think ron acted the way that he did because, in part, he knew his drugs and guns caused haleigh’s death.

ITA Tobias

You are right again Tobias! ‘If’ LE does persue Joe Overstreet for murder charges Ron will be testifying against Joe O,murder one and Tommy Croslin for accessory to felony murder, Right? Misty will more than likely get nothing.

That is a very good question? You have to ask why to questions in order to find the answers.jmo

True Tobias

Right, Granny 23! We don’t know what LE has in the way of evidence since they have been so tight lipped.

A 140 lb man smothering or choking a 40 lb little girl who is half asleep or even awake would not be hard, imo.

I don’t think anyone was trying to cram an alive and kicking child into a bag, if there was a bag.

I still think tc did it and misty knows it. They blame joe because it was easy to do.

All, imo.

tobias said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:49 am

VAQ, And where did Ron get this lawyer?He may be pro bono but you can bet it is a favor for a certain person who has been in Rons corner on National news. Just saying it my opinion. jmo
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LOL! Nancy Grace did NOT get Terry Shoemaker for Ronald! Terry and Brandon Beardsley both took Ronald’s case pro bono (they are from the same firm). They are friends with another attorney involved in this case, and that is how they became involved. It had absolutely nothing to do with NG.

All they would have to do as investigators is hook Cousin Joe up to a polygraph and ask him if he gave Haleigh away to another man to settle a debt that Cousin Joe had with the man.
I personally think that was the case and that Haleigh is still alive in Texas living with the man who was with Cousin Joe that night at the Cummings residence.
Of course, I only get this information from shamanism so what would I know, right? If she were deceased I would know about it.
Have a good night. Hope the LE can get this done sometime soon.

And Cate aka Kate said, “Still, too wierd that Greenwood’s PCSO statement ends with “all we want to do is bring HaLeigh home.”

Very weird. Makes me wonder what Greenwood was smoking.

This bunch has changed their stories more times than they change underware. I am with Nancy Grace on this one—-I too am sick of reading news reports on their next “story”-none of which can be cooberated.

Afraid of Joe???? did Misty LOOK afraid???? at ANY of her interviews??? did Misty look afraid when she was hanging posters of Haliegh with Joe? Why not scream it out to the world what happened to Haleigh? Call 911 and tell what happened. WHY LIE AND LIE AND LIE AND LIE…..and WHY IN THE WORLD would Tommy go along and dispose of the body, under that scenario??? NOTHING makes sense and if it does not make sense–IT IS NOT TRUE.

i think they where all at that party and Haleigh got a few pills and ate them she died then Misty and Tommy did something with the body and they are blaming Joe, i think they should talk to the people at the party that said Haleigh got into the party bowl, i think joe was at the party to maybe but i think he left before it all happend Misty didnt answear her phone she was too busy getting rid of the body and she couldnt tell Ron the truth because she was to babysit at home in the begining didnt tommy say he went to the house and she was not home that night? then changed his story?