On Monday morning Misty Croslin, the last person to see missing Haleigh Cummings was back in court on the unrelated, yet very related drug trafficking charges. Her plea of No Contest to the seven charges places her at the mercy of the court. The worst case scenario based on minimum mandatory sentencing guidelines is that she could face a daunting 89 years behind bars!
Following the court appearance we had the opportunity to talk with someone that was present at the hearing:
Misty was dressed in prison garb and shackled, her head hung low and looked completely defeated. This was a very far cry from the defiant young lady that we have seen in the past.
Even if all sentences are permitted to be served concurrently she still faces 25 years of incarceration. However even with this ‘best case scenario’ she still has another hurdle. To the best of my knowledge she is due in St Johns County tomorrow to face yet another Trafficking charge with a minimum mandatory of 25 years. Doing some sample math, 25 + 25 = 50.
There is one rabbit that her attorney can pull out of the hat, he has a ‘one shot’ at applying the Youthful Offender defense. Th 89 years could be reduced to a more manageable 6 years. However with the St Johns charges the total still comes to a very daunting 31 years.
The judge today set an October 19 pre-sentencing hearing, however he also explained that the hearing likely would not occur on that particular date. Attorney Fields has asked for a three hour time slot for this hearing. Almost certainly this will be to play the Youthful Offender card.
Also in court tomorrow will be Hank and Lisa Croslin on their own drug charges. It is possible that charges against Lisa Croslin may be dropped or reduced. That in itself creates an interesting dynamic. Lisa already faces some fines on other charges, she has no job, no home, and really no place to go if released. It might be a better strategy to opt to remain in jail and ‘work off’ the fines.
BNN is hoping to have observers in court for both events tomorrow and so we should have eyewitness accounts.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackIt is really sad to see such a young girl facing maybe the rest of her life in prison for a charge that is not even murder! If she doesn’t fess up now to what she knows about Haleigh, then I can only assume that she killed her
Jean, you may be right. She may figure she had better take whatever they give her than face floridas lethal injection.
Comment was deleted because it was accusing Misty of killing Haleigh when we don’t know that for certain and although she is in jail and will be facing all these years it has nothing to do with Haleigh missing. She has NOT been charged with murder so we can’t sentence her to death for only an opinion.
Jan Barrett – BNN EDitor
Well Jean, I’m not so sure about the trailer trash part since I live in a trailer, and if I believed in the death penalty, I would totally agree…but she has admitted to drug trafficing so she will pay a severe penalty for that.
For 1 Jean,No one knows who did what to HaLeigh,2 I have lived most of my life in trailers and 3 if you killed ppl for drugs there’d be nobody in prison? Drugs will get ya more time,than murder…see? Like it has in this case so far??
Was reading bnn articles and seen yas! Hi MeThinks!
cathyjo! Hows baby?
Wow, jax news had a picture of Misty and I didn’t even recognize her. Shorter hair and gained a lot of weight…..
He is fine! Methinks,I swear he is the most alert baby,his eyes followed you when he was a day old,He knows Dakotas voice right off the bat,Dakota makes a good big brother!!!!! LoL
cj, judging from what you say and the pics, I think so too.
Dakota is so proud,Hard to get him for the weekend now that he has Max!
TY MeThinks,I am so proud!!!!!!!!!! Can’t ya tell??
She gained immediatley Romewi,
Junkfood,no exercise,no cigs and no drugs?
she wouldn’t face the death penalty if it turns out she killed haleigh or abetted in it simply because she is under 18 i understand, she would instead face life with no parole and given her age that is going to be a very very long time.
she has thrown her whole life away pretty much before it has even started.
Maybe when she realises what the total years she faces will be maybe she will tell what happens and have them concurrent rather than consecutive and at least there is a chance she may well get out one day. if she says nothing then she can pretty much say bye to getting out. I can’t see the youthful offender card working simply because of the number of charges and the huge amount of evidence against her, plus there is the mandatory minimum in the other case so that is still 31 yrs if she gets a 6 in this case.
She knows what the rest of her family gotand their charges were no where near as bad so it isn’t looking good for her. her ex is working towards a plea deal so i wonder what he will use as a baragining chip? the only thing he can really use even though it isn’t connected to the drugs charges is his missing daughter. will he say what he knows in return for a lighter sentence?
Its taken more of a toll on Tommy have you seen his pics? The loss of his family, freedom plus his detox has left him looking like shell of a man. jmo
thanks simon for the update on Misty. Will be looking forward to a court room observer! Sweet!
I personally hope that Lisa & Hank “Magic Man” Sr. actually get out so that they may be able to visit their daughter, before she is shipped off!
With all of these folks facing such serious time and still not talking it is obvious they A) Truly knowing nothing because they were all blitzed out of their minds that night or B) are responsible for Haleigh’s death and will take that info to their graves rather than face even more time.
But I’m sure LE has given them opportunity to reduce both the drug charges and murder charges if they talk and they haven’t done so. Based on that are we to believe these people TRULY know nothing about what happened to Haleigh? I’m really starting to wonder.
Tobias – yes, with Tommy’s head shaved he looked very pitiful. His face looked thin, his eyes hollow and lifeless….and then there are those big ole’ ears which show even more with the lack of hair. He definitely looked defeated.
Ron seems to be the only cocky one left and we’ll see if that melts away at sentencing!
Hey B*A – I’ll be really surprised if Hank and Lisa get out this time. They’ve used up their last “Get out of jail free” card I’m afraid. They’ve wasted every opportunity and chance the court has given them thus far. My guess is they’ll be getting the book thrown at them this time. But I may be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time (or the last) đ
Whoa, maybe Misty and Casey can work together and develop a prison weight loss diet of some sort as they both have been packing on the pounds ! They really need to hit the exercise room very badly.
No JB, you’re more than likely right. It’s just a “hope” of mine!!
Ron is due in court on Friday, I believe we will get more info then on whether he is actually going to get a deal. The SA really has no need for his testimony now so he may be in for the priginal charges. Guess we will have to wait. jmo
B*A – I’m afraid all of these folks have spit in the face of the judicial system one to many times not to mention ALL of them have told so many lies that they have appeared cocky and “above the law”. If Misty and Tommy truly knew nothing about Haleigh’s disappearance they should have stuck to that and not played all these “he dunnit” finger pointing head games. That obviously didn’t help either of them.
And Hank and Lisa, God love them, had people reaching out to them to help them. Padilla tried to help them get on their feet and they just took him for whatever they could get and sent him packin’. You cannot help those who refuse to help themselves. Perhaps some prison time will be the wake-up call they need and will allow them to detox and get over their addictions which they OBVIOUSLY have. I think they are where they belong and for THEIR sake I hope they stay there until they get themselve clean. And if there was a way to offer them rehab of sorts, I’d be all for that as well.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24645217/detail.html?taf=jax
here’s the blurb from court today…
where’s HaLeigh?
JB, I understand where you’re coming from, and I too believe that by “breaking” the law, there are repercussions/debts to pay! I don’t really believe that those two will benefit from prison/jail time. I think a half-way house/counseling/ankle monitor may better suit Ma&Pa.
B*A – I’m all for trying to rehabilitate but I think you’d have to take Hank and Lisa and put them somewhere where they’d have NO access to drugs before you could help them. As long as they have access, they will not give up the drugs. So perhaps some jail time – say 90 days to detox and then to a halfway house/rehab center of some sort. But if they are put back out on the street before they detox, they’ll be looking for their next fix by sundown. đ
And Hank and Lisa have to WANT to get off the drugs and get their lives together. So far neither has demonstrated that “Want” yet. There are so many people who WANT to get their lives together. I’m all for helping those who have that “want” for a better way of life. You’re just peeing in the wind trying to help those who aren’t ready and don’t want the help.
JB, drugs are like crushed autumn leaves in jail… they are plentiful and of vast variety!
It is possible that charges against Lisa Croslin may be dropped or reduced.
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Simon, Lisa’s crack buying case is closed and has been for about a couple of weeks.
UCN: 542010CF001600XXAXMX
File Date: 07/27/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CROSLIN, LISA CARMEN
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
07/27/2010 1 ARREST REPORT – PPD OFF/HAGER (ARREST 7/23/10)
07/27/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 10-3153
07/27/2010 1 PURCHASE OF COCAINE WITHIN 1000 FT OF CHURCH
07/27/2010 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 7/24/10
07/27/2010 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
07/27/2010 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
07/27/2010 2 $5004.00 SECURED BOND SET
07/27/2010 3 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
07/27/2010 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER AT FIRST APP HEARING
08/05/2010 5 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION T
cent, your so poetic today.AWWWW
I am confused…are you guys talking about my comment at 12:29? I never said anything about trailer park or death penalty. Was someone else writing with the name Jean and their message has since been deleted?
Jan??
Thanks MeThinks…I think..LOL!!
Cent YA it’s good! crushd autumn leaves….AWWWW! lol
If the ones in jail now really dont know a thing about Haleigh and what ahppened to her then there is one really sick vengeful person out there. I have thought of this and pondered who in this case would be so heartless? I dont know if they know or dont but it does make you wonder sometimes. jmo
Okay MeThinks… on my new blog {once I get it together} I will post some things just for you!!
**that is not the title***
Cent, OH BOY! can’t wait!
Tobias, I too, have thought of this. The only thing I could come up with would be an SO…which is sick in itself…but then to stand back while others get accused. I also wondered how many SO’s flew/fly under the radar after katrina. There are many that could have easily fled the state and headed to florida in search of shelter. I may be wrong about this yet I still wonder.
B*A – Hank and Lisa would need some money to get drugs while in prison. I don’t think anyone is going to give them away for free….and I don’t think Lisa and Hank have any money and no one left to give them any…except for Timmy…but I guess another tax season and another tax return is just around the corner. Timmy may have a tough time stretching his tax return this year with so much of his family behind bars! đŻ So many jailhouse accounts….so little time and money! đ
It does seem as though they checked out the SO’s a bit quick. I imagine it’s because there was no forced entry, they already made up their minds as to what happened or who was responsible. If an SO was responsible, it could have beenone that hasn’t been busted yet.
Yes, if this truly was a stranger abduction or a Crystal Clan abduction, shame on them for what they’ve done to this family….although this family was already on a path of self-destruction. But this pushed them off the cliff.
I’ve always thought Misty knew more than she’s saying and she still might. But seeing Misty not crack makes me wonder if she truly knows anything. Like I said in an earlier post….either these folks truly know nothing and LE is barking up the wrong tree while the guilty party gets away with Gawd only knows what….OR, they know what happened, had a hand in Haleigh’s disappearance/death and they are going to take it to their graves rather than do time for the crime.
Misty Croslin Expected to Enter Not Contest Plea in St. Johns Co. Tuesday
TJ Hart
Misty Croslin-Cummings could be sentenced up to 25 years in prison to drug trafficking charges after entering a plea of no contest Monday in Putnam County.
She faces similar charges Tuesday in St. Johns County. Assistant State Attorney Jason Lewis expects a similar plea change in that case.
Croslin-Cummings will learn her sentence on the Putnam County charges in October.
Crolsin-Cummings was arrested in January following an undercover operation that resulted in the arrests of Ronald Cummings–father of missing child Haleigh Cummings, Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr., Hope Sykes and Donna Brock.
The maximum Misty Croslin could face if all seven charges are given the maximum sentence and are assigned consecutively would be 240 years, according to the state attorney’s office.
Croslin’s attorney is trying to have Croslin sentenced as a youthful offender, which means she could face up to six years.
With Croslin being charged with drug trafficking in both Putnam and St. Johns counties, there’s a potential conflict for her attorney going for the youthful offender sentencing. In Florida, youthful offender status can only be granted one time, so if Croslin is sentenced in Putnam County as a youthful offender, she cannot be given the same in St. Johns County.
The drug trafficking charge against her in St Johns County carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 25 years if she is convicted.
Croslin was babysitting Haleigh Cummings the night the 5-year-old disappeared in February 2009. The child has yet to be found and the case has been reclassified as a homicide.
Jb, I guess I forgot about the sheffield family. WOW, I completely drew a blank about their possible involvement. Jeez brain…please land back here on earth! I guess I figured that would be tooo twisted even for them. dumb on my part. Man, thats pretty sh$%%& if thats the case. I can see them wanting to take ron down, but the rest of them …geeZ
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/7922409.php
methinks – yeah, the no forced entry, the seemingly staged “crime scene”, Tommy saying he wasn’t there, was there oh wait, wasn’t there, Misty’s ever-changing story, Ron’s bizarre behavior, etc., sure make you think this was an inside job….but if it was….they sure have covered their tracks well.
And yes, there are TONS of SO’s out there that haven’t been caught, never been registered and are probably in a role of supervising children! đŻ The little league coach, the Sunday school teacher, the Cub Scout leader, the teacher, the Pediatrician……the scumbags are certainly out there lurking undetected! đż And NO I don’t mean every coach, teacher, scout leader, pediatrician, etc., is a SO by any stretch of the imagination! It’s just so many of these creeps like to hide in plain sight!
Well, so much for a defense to the drug charges. Looks like fields didn’t think he had enough to make the entrapment defense.
Fields told Aharris she was pleading out and looks like that was true. Others said she was ready for prison, so, imo she’s known how she would plea for a long time.
Also, the way I read the article, she can’t get YO in two different counties, so is her best minimum stay at 31 yrs? Ouch.
Ron is going to get 25, imo.
JB, Dont forget the silencing of the AC guy, workers at PDM and that strange call out to Tyler that night (not sure if this was ever cleared up). jmo
If it was a SO my bets are on Snodgrass, just the kind of POS but I think Misty also would have become a victim if it was SO related. jmo
I was hoping someone would go to trial and fight the charges for the evidence we might see that we haven’t already.
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Methinks – I guess I thought if Misty or Tommy were guilty they’d crack by now….I’m still not 100% convinced they aren’t involved. They may figure they’d do even MORE time if they squeal so they’ll keep it to themselves. But why all the finger pointing, Haleigh was thrown in the river crap? What was THAT all about? That was beyond cruel to say that if it wasn’t true…or even if it was true. I just can’t figure them out to say the least! What normal person could say that about a child whether it was true or not? This case makes me so flippin’ nuts. One minute I think this person did it and the next I’m looking at someone else for the crime. I sure wish we knew what LE knows.
JB said,
in August 16th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
B*A – Hank and Lisa would need some money to get drugs while in prison. I donât think anyone is going to give them away for freeâŚ.and I donât think Lisa and Hank have any money and no one left to give them anyâŚexcept for TimmyâŚbut I guess another tax season and another tax return is just around the corner. Timmy may have a tough time stretching his tax return this year with so much of his family behind bars! đŻ So many jailhouse accountsâŚ.so little time and money! đ
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JB, I just love ya! However, there are ways of getting what you want without having the dough!! {I shudder at the thought}
I just wonder what is LE going to say once the drug sentences are finished? What about the Haleigh case? Are they doing anything? Have they got any plans to do anything? Or is the plan to put it on a shelf ? jmo
Imo, I think tommy did something and misty knows it.
She is trying to help tommy avoid the needle by staying quiet. Imo
Jmo
I realize if you do the crime you have to do the time, but I feel really bad for Misty. She is so young and doesn’t have a future to look forward to. She can get an education in prison but she will be too old when she gets out to have any type of normal life.
jaba, As bad as Tommy looks already I don’t look for him to be alive for very long. If he commits suicide I will not be surprised.
I keep thinking that maybe Tommy does know something or did something that is eating at him. If so, I wish he would tell the truth so Misty doesn’t have to go down too. Even if she told now I don’t see the judge letting her off on the drug charges.
You no we live in the land of the FREE, something we can be proud of.
But I have a problem with our laws that turn the freedom of dope users and sellers to prison
with harsh sentencing.
But the wheels of justice scales don’t seem to turning
for our Children Lives.
Raping them
Killing them
RSO FREE to walk the streets to prey on OUR
CHILDREN time and time again.
OUR CHILDREN CAN’T DEFEND THIERSELVES
IT’S UP TO WE THE PEOPLE, BYE THE PEOPLE,
TO CHANGE THINGS.
IF WE CAN SIT ON OUR ASSES AND GRIPE AND COMPLAIN,ABOUT EVERYTING.
wHY DON’T WE AS A PEOPLE DO WHAT WE CAN DO
TO HELP CHANGE OUR ASSBACKWARDS LAWS.
WE SIT ON THESE FORUMS BITCH, GRIPE AND COMPLAIN.
WHO’S RIGHT WHO’S WRONG.
WHO NEEDS TO GROW UP AND ON AND ON .
BUT HOW MANY OF US GROWn-Ups AND DO WHATS RIGHT FOR OUR CHILDREN AND EVERYONE CHILDREN.
and NOW IF ANYONE CAN HELP FIND ME FIND
STACY HOROWITZ E-MAIL FOR US.
i WILL TRY TO HELP GET ONE SORRY BASTARD OFF
THE STREET. name donald sorryass
and Cathy, Your Grandchildren are both Beautiful and Precious .
I found this interesting:
“Her attorney, Robert Fields, told the judge this morning that a âlandslide of evidenceâ against Croslin, including video of her with the drugs and several undercover officers as witnesses in the case, led to the no contest plea.”
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That concurs with the tapes we’ve seen. Landslide. Wow.
I guess he (fields) could still appeal the sentencing, however, if she gets a ton of time.
Cricket,
U r correct, typing it here doesn’t move the ball very far if at all, imo.
The laws got into effect by some method and it seems like not enough people that don’t like them have chosen such a successful method, yet. Yet. It can be done, but who will try and how hard will they try and how long will they try?
Some have thought it was Tommy but I dont. If it was he wouldnt be so upset with the 15 years. It sure beats the needle or life. I think he is regreting getting involved with his sister and lying about Joe. I think he also regrets the LDT he took. iN HIS MIND HE LOST EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF mISTY. JMO
Tommy lost everything because of Tommy. He’s a grown ass man and he would never cover for Misty and he surely wouldn’t cover for cousin Joe. PCSO is calling him a suspect for a reason and there’s also a reason they said they didn’t intend to interview Joe anymore.
OCTOBER, for a pre-sentencing hearing!!!! Oy vey!!! I was hoping a Nolo Plea would make it to a quicker resolution. Sigh.
That’s for the info.
I posted this on the previous thread. I’ll move it to here:
Ann – Tx said,in August 16th, 2010 at 11:54 am Picture of Misty Cummings in court this a.m.
http://www.news4jax.com/image/24646014/detail.html
News4Jax Jacksonville, FL 8-16-10
I’m posting this from the previus thread:
Ann – Tx said,in August 16th, 2010 at 11:59 am
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-08-16/story/misty-crosling-pleads-no-contest-putnam-drug-charges
Jacksonville.com (Florida Times) 8-16-10
âMisty Croslin pleads no contest to 7 Putnam drug chargesâ
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There are also video and audio jail house calls that were posted on Jacksonville.com previously.
From the previous thread:
Ann – Tx said,in August 16th, 2010 at 11:49 am
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100816/ARTICLES/100819547/-1/entertainment?Title=Misty-Croslin-pleads-no-contest-in-drug-trafficking-case
The Gainesville Sun Gainesville, FL
8-16-10
âMisty Croslin pleads no contest in drug- trafficking caseâ
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It looks like Misty got her hair cut!
Vaq, Have they named Tommy as a suspect? I know I have, but have they?
vaq, also I totally agree with your 4:06 post.
Jason Lewis, a member of the prosecution said that Tommy is a suspect:
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-08-06/story/tommy-croslin-jr-sentenced-15-years
I have always thought Tommy was called in after the fact. I still look at other avenues, but always am drawn back to those in satsuma.
Why would you claim a child was murdered and thrown into a river and blame an indidvidual for the murder of that child if they did not know the child was deceased. I could be looking at this all wrong. Ron knew about the beds being made well before he married Misty, but yet defended the I was asleep story she was telling( August 27th 2009 BNN article, Misty fails fourth poly)before and after those test with Tim Miller. Why? I do not know who is responsible for what happened to Haleigh, but it is a crying shame that noone feels compelled with guilt enough to speak the truth on her behalf. Justice is what Haleigh deserves! I still feel that the answers lye in Satsuma.
Vaq,
Add me to the ita w/ the 4:06 pm post of yours.
Tommy was named a suspect at his sentencing hearing, iirc.
I agree completley, Vaquera-it’s the same with all of them-Ron, Tommy, Misty, Donna and Hope.
No one twisted their arm to sell drugs. Misty looked downright gleeful in some of those videos.
methinks said,
in August 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Vaq, Have they named Tommy as a suspect? I know I have, but have they?
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yes, they did. I will try and find the articles again for you later on. One was the Palatka Paper, don’t know if it’s still online or not but I posted it at in an earlier article but I don’t remember which one,LOL
Tommy was named a suspect? By le? Really? How did I miss that?
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looking for Justice said,in August 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
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Well said LFJ – it sure does make you stop and think. What are these people hiding, why are they hiding it and when will the guilt eat them up enough that they tell what they know?!
I remember that article and it did name Tommy as a suspect in Haleighs disappearance.
Vaq – WOW! Yes, if you can find the articles I’d love to see them. Somehow I managed to miss them naming Tommy a suspect. But why would Ron cover for Tommy? To me Ron has always seemed like he knew the truth but I don’t see him covering for Ron. This case is TWISTED!
he Haleigh Cummings case was brought up several times during the hearing, including the fact that Croslin has come forward with information several times, but has not led law enforcement to any evidence.
snipped from the Palatka Daily News-Aug 7th
“The whole meat and potatoes on the Haleigh Cummings investigation is what happened that night,” Smith said. “We have yet to have heard what truthfully happened … With Misty and Tommy, every time we interview them it’s a different story. We don’t know what the true story is because we can’t tell who’s lying.”
Lewis said Croslin is still a suspect in the Haleigh case and that the state does not consider him as being cooperative.
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JB I am not so sure it will. Noone wants to go to prison being a convicted child murderer. To them I think they feel they are better off with the time they get from the drug charges. NO conscience! POOR HALEIGH!! WHERE IS HALEIGH???
lfj – was this a recent article? Before or after Tommy’s sentencing?
I posted a link to the Article saying that Jason Lewis said that Tommy was considered a suspect earlier-
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-08-06/story/tommy-croslin-jr-sentenced-15-years
Before. It is in the BNN archives. I listed the info above where to find it.
“Lewis said Croslin only came forward when he faced a lengthy prison sentence. He said he did not consider that Croslin cooperated because investigators still do not have a full picture of what happened the night Haleigh vanished.
âHe is still a suspect in that case,â Lewis said.”
At tc’s sentencing hearing.
I feel it all started with that 8:30PM call. The said argument between Ron and Misty. Ron called Tommy 30 minutes later. jmo
At tc’s sentencing hearing it was mentioned too.
Sorry about thĂ t folks.
If misty could cut out a day of her sentence by throwing someone else under a bus, she would. She wont because she cant.
BJB, Misty has thrown people under the bus, but LE did not buy it for some unknown reason.
no evidence to back up anything misty says.
She is making up stories to draw a get out of jail free card. if she really had something of value in finding haliegh, LE would have it by now.
FOr a seriousj crime like murder, I don’t think she would squeal on tc. Jmo
BJB,I see where you are coming from, but it was Mistys story that claims our little Haleigh was murdered by Joe Overstreet. Why would she come up with a story of Haleigh being deceased? Tommy went along with Mistys story; not that it did him any good.
I wish we could see the recordings of her interviews with le.
I do not think for one minute Misty harmed Haleigh, but I do think she knows what happened. jmo
Me too Jaba. I am sure they would enlighten us a great feal.
oops deal
Thank you bonanzajellybean. I feel the same way. I feel none of these people are involved. LE has put them in this spot, because LE never believed their original claim that they KNOW NOTHING. LE has no evidence IMO to arrest/charge anyone with Haleigh’s disappearance. Tommy and Misty have regurgitated the Joe did it theory because LE pressured them to come up with something. There is NO evidence to prove it. Neither would go down for the other and Ron sure wouldn’t. If Tommy did it, then LE needs to prove it with evidence instead of relying on a confession of sorts by one of these people. I never thought the crime scene was staged either. I think it was done by the perpertrator, not Tommy, Misty, Joe, or Ron. Not to harp on their intelligence, but these people are not the most educated and that would be the last thing they would think of–staging a crime scene. I think LE has been looking at the wrong people all this time. JMO
Imo, the scenes of where the kidnap happened and the body was eventually disposed off, won’t, and don’t offer a lot of hard evidence based on what one way I think things could have happened. Imo
A petite 5 year old would not have been startled by tommy taking her out if she was half asleep. Out the door he goes. He could suffocate her or choke her into unconsciousness fairly quickly with very little fight a small child could put up not leaving evidence. Into the river by small boat out a few hundred yards, tie the body up, and dump it. After time there would be nothing left even if le knew the gps location of the dumping. Tommy tells misty after that joe was involved and after their arrests, they stick on that story.
I hope it didn’t happen like that. I hope she’s somewhere else, but, for the purpose of figuring it out, that’s one way I see it.
As to WHY?… there could be a ton of reasons.
Misty on next on JVM.. Hey Jaba!!!
I am really wondering how long PCSO can keep this case “active” so that the Sunshine Law doesn’t kick in.
here’s the other one methinks
snipped from the ataugustine .com site 8-7-10
He said Croslin no longer has an incentive to help investigators in Haleigh’s disappearance, as he has been doing.
Lewis said Croslin only came forward when he faced a lengthy prison sentence. He said he did not consider that Croslin cooperated because investigators still do not have a full picture of what happened the night Haleigh vanished.
“He is still a suspect in that case,” Lewis said.
Robin-
Well said.
Misty did the crime Tommy helped cover it up!
JB said,
in August 16th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
lfj – was this a recent article? Before or after Tommyâs sentencing?
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Vaquera has posted some of the articles stating that Tommy was named a suspect.
At the sentencing hearing for Tommy, the State’s Attorney stated this loud and clear. Some wondered if this may have been a slip of the tongue, and IMO, it was definitely NOT. The SA was speaking directly to the judge wrapping up his case. While LE has been very tight-lipped about their case, Werter tried to show how “cooperative” Tommy has been in the HaLeigh investigation. Therefore, I think that we finally got to hear that Tommy is officially a suspect due to Werter’s own use of the “HaLeigh case”. He essentially opened the door for Tommy to be named a suspect in open Court. And a lot of HaLeigh’s family was there to hear it.
There are two facts that are continued to be overlooked.
1. there was a female deputy at the trailer on green ln, before the 911 call was made, if anyone had been there, there would never have been the illusive 911 call. Go back and read the dispatch tape again..
2. someone put on their psychic hat, and figure out where the kids were on friday night when ron was running back and forth over to Nay Nay’s house, and dumping Misty’s clothes, which the cover story for that one.. was he had dumped her clothes at Tommy’s on Thrusday..
Follow the cookie crumbs, and figure out where the kids were on Friday night..
Now, it has become evident.. that Misty has no bargaining power.. none.. and she had ron waiting in the shadows to testify against her in open court as per the drugs.. Why are people not asking themselves, what has ron now told pcso.. to get his own plea bargain, and it better be good….
April-
What do you have to prove this?
mlee, please clarify. I know it seems obvious to you but it isn’t to some of us, like me. Please spell it out for me so that I can follow your reasoning. Thanks, and please take no offense, I mean no challenge or ill-will.
Ronald’s sentencing will be very enlightening, imho. If he gets 15 years like the first three, when he was so much more involved, I will be extremely suspicious.
Not everything is some grand conspiracy. Even when people try to make it one. And simply typing something does not make it true.
J, Was your comment about “not everything is some grand conspiracy,” directed to or in response to what I wrote?
Hi Cate (Kate),
No, it was definitely NOT directed at you. đ
Sorry if you thought that.
Misty can’t get lethal Injection she was 17 when the event occurred. I don’t mean to stir up things it’s simply a fact. I have no idea why she would not go to trial better 12 ears than 1. It might be that she may believe and it could be fact that there is no hope for a fair trial. On the other hand Joe OverStreet faces little or no time and Tommy an adult male older and stronger than Misty faces less time than her. Of course the LE didn’t target him because “he knocked on the wall” 2 people today were sentenced to 2 years and the other 3 for smuggling 230 pounds into America. Apparently Washington has far different laws than Florida. It’s a fragmented system it’s broken making it susceptible to corruption. LE did not get Justice for Haleigh they manipulated public perception used media to cover up their own faults and they completely on every level let this child and her families down, it is one of the greatest injustices to come out of America in a long time.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
The LE set this case up as they did because at the time they did they completely believed and refused to accept any other version than Misty left and Tommy was telling the truth. It was luck that gave them Tommy they did not care if they got Santa Claus what they wanted was Misty in enough of these events enough to give her life, it was pure driven hate on another human life. Their hate was born out of their own faults and inability to open their minds enough to seek another answer and another way to approach the case. What is unfolding is the power of hate on another human life committed by those in the position to corrupt things enough to get what they desire. Straight forward it’s hate in motion.
J, no problem, just that I was open for discussion, if so.
DustyRose, ditto, ITA. Very sad from every angle.
My Lord my heart breaks over what this young girl is facing!!!! I have never seen a person railroaded like this.She admitted to several of the charges.But to stick her with all,when other passed thaose pills.Shes getting facing 25 yrs on some for just being in the car.
I remember Cobra talking to Barbra,then Jarome.He said Jarome if she comes to buy dope make sure she has enough on her he would get someone to get her,an get a high bond on her.So we can find out what happen to that baby…He stated later on the radio show.That he let Le hear the recording they never said anything gave it back.
Then later down the road BAMB!! shes arrested.Now i done know if they took the recording ,an what was said to heart,an that why a sting was done later at 18.
What i find appauling is.Misty was attacked an knew she was way over her head in drug addiction for somthing like that to happen.No help from anyone.She could have been hauled in then,an sent to a state rehab.
I do not now,nor have i ever believe she harmed Haaliegh.People dont say she was alweays good with children.No problem from any one she baby sat for.Then all of a sudden turn out to be a child killer!!!
Another issue i have.Is that these people who have records,are getting less time than this child is facing first time offender,an no record.Just look at the jail logs,an look later to see if they all that were charged for trafficing,or met labs an such.Have the same bonds.Or if the get the same time she may get.
Grandma Hollars has now added They tied her up in a bag.What a shame to through her children out like that to the wolves.I belive all for the reward.Because shes stating rumors,an sure didnt call LE or tell these stories untill Tommy.I plainly remember her stating Misty called her on a thursday,when she finaly got phone back.Tommy had told his story,Le was questioning both.Misty got the river deal off the news ,about cinder blocks.An she called granny on a thursday ,he called granny earlier that week about Joe.all bulli believe Im a paraying woman,an im just not seeing evil in Misty!1!
Pray tell whos dope was she selling DAonnass 44 yr old butt.Dr shopping butt.Thanks Tim.Shes really the moma type,just what Misty needed. (cough)TES people who hung out with her had to know she was a pill head.I can look at her an tell.Misty may not have had that grown woman pills to sell,or been drove over state line to a dentest writer.I dont believe Cindy Anthony nor do i like her.But in her call to Tim she said something that made me go hmmm Se said to Tim did i even get you something for your back pain?????
Now Tim is your read here im just a little vexed.Because that LDT got this crazy ball rolling with MC an your not a investigator,or some one who had athority to do that work.Wat a position to put a trouble drug addict in-it wasnt right.I have to say how i feel-i think she doesnt know,an is scared,fells guilty,along with drug use can alter a LDT.i DONT TRUST THEM!!!
I dont think for one min,the way she spilled the beans about everything else,that she surly would have told all she knew.If she knew anything.Even if it involved her.Shes facing all these yrs.Why would she tell.Shes no winner either way.
An to the UC agents all who set this in motion.Shame on all of you for sticking that child with those 200 pills right at the time you knew your planned bust was going down–SHAME ON YOU,wasnt it enough she sold your other pills,an everyone elses-are they going before the courts,or were they arrested to. Mind we never know what our decendents will..
An for Putnam investigators-i think you have done a sorry job.An call in to question your at the time head dectectibe PC an her friend ship,alledged giving out imfo to the one anm only Attorny for CS. I see a lot of shadiness thats wennt on,even with the way the PI for one of the accused.CONFLICT-these people just done have enough money for someone to make sure that underhandedness isnt done..
iNVESTIGATORS GET OFF YOUR BUTTS,AN GO BACK AN LOOK AT THE ONES YOU HAVEN ALLOWED TO BE EXPOSED,THE ONE WHO EVERYTHING HAS BEEN HUSHED HUSHED EVEN THE LONG DRUG USE,AN BUYING OF ILEGAL DOPE COME ON NOW..ITS CALLED MUCH MOTIVE LOOK AT THOSE WHO HAD MOTIVE–
I think Misty is covering for someone, and the lies she’s told is a cover to take attention away from the perp…I also doubt the truth will be known as to what happened to Haleigh, unless someone, a few years later, reveals the truth out of love for Haleigh, or to clear his/her conscience…The latter seemingly unlikely..
How many Rso=preditors have snatched children???
Perfect set up for someone watching-Ron on night shift.An a child keeping children.
Whats rong with thiose working this case????
To many other things/people who i dont think LE SPENT ENOUGH SEARCHING OUT-INVESTIGATING.AN I STILL DONT TRUST THEM!!,TO many know the families,their history,an even some have worked together before with LE–COME ON NOW-DO YOUR JOBS!!!
robin 5:38 post
i agree with you. how could tommy,misty,ron, or joe commit “the perfect murder” They arent not that educated and i dont think that smart to do so. they had plenty of time on the outside to talk but appears they didnt say anything to anyone. big time criminals talk to others but this group is so good not to. if any of these people were guilty is was not planned. they would have messed up somewhere.imo
DON’T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN’T DO THE TIME -based on your states laws. Check them out before you sell pills or weed, or coke or whatever…that way, u will know what will happen to you when u do. Simple!
Imo
whatever happen to the official whose son was caught manufacturing (i think it was meth). has he gone to trial and how long will he get? the saying “what comes around,goes around”. i mean that for those in le who wanted to take the life of these kids(they may have not physically hurt her). one time i was working and a coworker was having a dispute with their son. I thought (my child was a baby) that my kid would never do that. guess what. i got to experience what she went thru. it bit me in the ***
Jaba, be very careful mentioning that Haleigh was taken to a ‘waiting boat’. There are those on here who will attack you for it. Mainly because I think they think they are smarter than everyone else, but that’s my opinion.
I think this whole thing was a mean hateful act by someone who wanted the kids away from Ron and Misty. A non-custodial abduction. Someone had some pull and some power to make the rest of this happen. Jealousy, Vengence and down right Hate is what drives this sort of stuff. I also think that someone out there just doesn’t pop up with thousands of dollars to give away to a drugged mother who doesn’t pay her child support or take care of her kids, just to keep her from having to deal with the consequences. I think its all connected somehow. I also think that LE gets to bask in the glow of “lookie what we did, we locked up some small time drug dealers” and I think it is all in exchange for keeping quiet about what they have learned about Haleigh. I think LE knows where she is and who has her, and that she is safe. So in exchange they get information to start busting people. That’s my opinion, and the haters on here can go ahead and attack me for it like you did in the other blog, I don’t care.
Bottom line, MONEY IS POWER and POWER IS MONEY and it applies to everyone.
Misty isn’t an innocent teen, imo. She’s street smart enough to know RIGHT from WRONG. Imo.
The croslin clan lives like this…one negative thing to another because they have no self control. Imo
Only the grand kids of h and l have a chance at something good. The rest don’t. Imo they don’t want help. They want drugs, period. Until they recitfy that, they will be in and out of jail, or dead. Imo
i agree jen m
JenM said,
in August 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
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There is nothing wrong with that theory. It could very well be possible just as much as any of the other theories discussed here.
I want to remind EVERYONE here that all opinions are welcome here even if you don’t agree with them. I don’t want to have to look in here later tonight or tomorrow and find someone being attacked because they came up with a different theory of what could have possibly happened.
NONE of us know what happened to Haleigh and until someone talks none of us will know the truth, so please be considerate of others thoughts. You never know their theory might just be the right one, and then won’t you feel bad because you attacked someone for it.
Just pray that we get some news about Haleigh really soon. God bless her little heart where ever she is.
God bless all of you. Have a great night
Jan Barrett
… Oh and btw I am sorry if you were attacked in here for expressing your opinions or theories. I will try to keep a closer eye on the comments to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
anyone from florida
what do the people of florida think of the drug laws. i am not for drugs but i believe the sentence and crime need to be in the same area. do they consider writing their representatives and etc to get them changed. i am in the iowa and this sounds so unfair from my stand point. do they get as upset as i do. it is so sad that misty is loosing most of her life off what she did when she was 17. imo
does anyone know where i can find a link to the JVM show? I missed it.
I see folks kicking le in the head when we don’t know ALL of what they know.
The criminal that took Haleigh away is the one who should get the punt to the head. Imo whoever that is.
I thinks its funny when I see folks stand up for the obviously guilty criminal as if they are better than the le trying to solve this case on Haleigh and on drug selling. Yep, poor misty and ron and donna and hope and tommy for selling to an undercover. Just shows me how they really are. Right after they ‘lose’ a little girl, they can’t resiste selling dope. They could have found another way to buy theirs, imo.
They are street huslters, imo. And they are paying…from the youngest to the oldest. Imo
I agree, put all the drug dealing and manufacturing pos in jail. All of them. Karma is a bitch. Yes, I agree.
What I don’t get is how hardys son is related to Haleighs disappearance.
Jenm @ 9:57
Thank you for the heads up. I appreciate it. đ
Having said that, I am willing to defend my thoughts from someone who has seen SOME of what le has by way of evidence.
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Well said, Jan Barrett..This site was out of control with bloggers bashing other bloggers, merely for an opinion..I am glad to see it is more cordial now, and hopefully, those who were intimidated and left will return..You and Simon are to be commended for all you do in giving a voice to the helpless innocent..
Thank you..
Boonebronc48,
Whylie always makes a salient argument for a review of the min/man laws. While I may not fully agree, she has shown some evidence to ponder.
When a majority of Floridians with a like mind set on these laws being restructured and sentences reduced, it will change. I imagine that’s how the current laws were passed.
It’s important to understand that several things complete a dysfunctional family like this. It goes back generations into ignorance, lack of resources, stereotyping, a woman’s value, a mans value. Flanders statements in regards to sexual abuse is an excellent example as to why a female would keep silent in a family like this and in fact protect them. In a family like this if a person comes forward about anything they are immediately attacked and vilified. Often times it is done to the point where the person being attacked actually believes they are wrong by saying and addressing anything. It depends on what else the person has seen and whether or not they have any one else to turn to, sadly Misty did not, that is why LE does not have the answer. JMHO
Thanks Jan. đ
I guess I don’t trust or believe any of them. It seems they have all lied over and over. Who ever is responsible for Haleigh disappearing should be jailed for a very long time. I think LE should be held responsible for investigating other people and for telling the parents to plan a funeral for Haleigh. Was this because there was proof and we don’t know it?
What happened to Steve Browns claim that he knew who did what, and then he was silenced?
Did he really know or ? Have their been a few people let in on a ‘secret’ that explained everything, so they have no reason to pursue this anymore? That’s what leads me to beleive that Haleigh is alive and well. I think they are hoping everyone will fade away and that no one will care anymore.
As far as Misty or the rest of them, I beleive their sentences are unjust.
A guy called into a radio station this morning…they were talking about ‘true confessions’. He said he was the ‘Mr. Magoo’ bank robber. He had just finished his “5” year long sentence for this. He robbed a lot of banks. He is now in rehab, getting trained for a job, has a counselor, etc, etc. all at the taxpayers dollars. What’s not right about that?
I think the drug dealers should pay for their crimes, but it should be fair and just. The same as others would get. And I question how LE went about their bust too…seems very shady to me.
I am not so sure Misty would not qualify for YO even on her St Johns charges IF she is sentenced as YO in Putnam. From what I am reading, and the way I am understanding it, if she is sentenced as a YO in Putnam, St Johns will have to follow suit. I am going to research it some more, though.
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The sentencing court may not impose a youthful offender sentence on one count, but not another, even if part of a plea agreement.[FN12] As the intent of the Youthful Offender Act was to provide a sentencing alternative more stringent than the juvenile system but less harsh than the adult system, imposition of consecutive sentences as a youthful offender and as an adult would thwart the purpose of the Act.[FN13]
Imposition of sanctions other than those of the Youthful Offender Act is, in fact, prohibited once a court classifies a defendant as a YO. Minimum mandatory sentencing, in fact, is not applicable when a defendant is sentenced as a YO.
Did anyone notice the conversation between Hank SR and Hank JR in the after math of TC’ s lie detector test. When Tommy tells his father that he needs to tell what happened and puts it on Joe the father does not address him on his lying, lying about Misty not being there, using this tragedy for his own gain, for misleading LE, for not calling the cops that night, its just poor boy and Joe is a piece of shit. When Misty tells her version which includes Tommy she is attacked and ripped apart so she changed her version to include only Joe OverStreet. She did that as result of an unspoken rule and emotional blackmail she will have their approval and them by her side and will not be publicly attacked by them in any version she tells just as long as in no way at any point does it ever include any of them. Their weak and complete cowards hopefully with time she will see that.
jaba, the original min/man sentencing for drug charges may have been voted on and accepted by the citizens of Florida originally, and with good cause, but the laws have morphed into a life of their own without our vote.
While I am sure that we all want to see people punished for crimes they commit, I personally want that punishment to be in the hands of the courts, where it belongs, not in the hands of SA’s.
I find it appalling that an SA could send an 18 year old to prison for over 200 years for being a middleman in a drug deal, while in that same circuit the SA let a murderer walk away with probation. That is not justice, in any way, shape, or form.
LE doesn’t have the answer, and I think that is why they are so hard on Misty. They want her to crack, and obviously she isn’t going to. It is puzzling to me why Ron hasn’t gone through the same scrutiny..I know he says he was at work, but does he have an alibi from the time he picked up Haleigh at the bus stop until he left for work? Misty being the last person to see Haleigh, supposedly, doesn’t mean she was involved in her disappearance, and I think that is what LE is focusing on…
IMO
I personally think that PCSO blew this case from day one. Their answer is to lock them all up for years and years, and let the public believe that they have the “murderer” in jail. Sad part is, PCSO obviously has nothing that will prove any of those locked up had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
If PCSO had something, anything, charges would have been filed and they wouldn’t be farting around with these piddly drug charges. They wouldn’t have had to be “harassing” TC at the jail, or trying to get him to talk. They would have been like Orange County was with Casey, let her stick to her story, and the move on and get the evidence to prove she was lying. PCSO has not done that.
WhyLie–I agree with you.
I think we ALL come from some type of dysfunction in our own families. Some good and some bad. But on the DRUG charges for these players IMO I think housing them for 15+ years is not an answer. It would be cheaper for the state to send them to an extensive rehab, not months but maybe a year or so and an aftercare program.
LE thought if they put them in jail they would SQUEAL, well no they haven’t. If they were involved in Haleigh’s disappearance can they even remember, or were they too stoned? That does happen!!!
I pray that Haleigh will be found and who ever took her will pay.
Misty was only 17 when Haleigh disappeared. As many mentioned she was still a minor. LE waited until she turned 18 to do the UC sting. That was planned IMO for the purpose of giving her the most harsh penalty they could.
Lie detector tests are not reliable especially on minors.
LE failed to protect Misty when a 25 year old man was having sex with her. They seemed to turn their back on this CRIME a lot in that area. She is not the only minor he had sex with. They failed to protect her and the other young girls. When sheâ quit going to school at a very young age (I believe it was 10 years old) where was LE and DCPS then? This is also a law in most states. A minor must attend school until 16. LE turned their backs on Misty and the other young people in this “story” Many times IMO. I am sure there are a lot more then these few. These are laws also. So for those who say don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, remember how many crimes where committed against these young people as children without consequences, I think they learned something form this IMO.
Also the drug abuse with these people was not new. LE turned their backs on this as well. Then when Misty and her back ground as well as the other young girls that went unprotected and all the other drugs and drama were nationwide news and it gave LE a big black eye, LE decided to be tough on crime. Give me a break. LE wants to shuffle this under the rug as fast as possible. They choose this sting to put these people away out of the public spot light. LE was cunning though, they convinced many people that these under educated people pulled off the “perfect crime” with not a trace of evidence left behind. That gave them a lot of public support in the arrests and punishment given. Now the truth will be forever concealed. IMO. What a failed system that fails to protect the children like Haleigh, Jessica, Carlie Brucia, Jaycee, Coralrose, (who was taken from her bed in the middle of the night also. This crime was unsolved for 2 years until by accident the murder was solved) and all the many others. So many children lost, most often taken by registered SO who lived close by.
It is crazy that LE lets these creeps walk free and locks up an 18 year olds for basically Life. People please push LE to enforce the laws written to protect innocent children instead of locking up an 18 year old up for a crime she was set up to commit. This is just so wrong on so many levels and it will not help find Haleigh. In fact I think it will end the search by LE. IMO
Barb:
I agree it will end the search for Haleigh..
LE’s ultimate motive is going to backfire. Those in jail haven’t talked thus far, and it’s unlikely they will, regardless of how many years they have to spend in prison..IMO
Whylie,
I agree. Just the fact that LE tripped all over themselves rushing to the lake to investigate the bogus “new leads” tells me they have NOTHING! They are working on NOTHING, except their dead end theory that “Misty holds the key”…
The perp won’t admit to killing a child. Not so hard to believe, for me.
And misty knows the truth and won’t tell, imo. Stalemate. LE did what they could and I haven’t heard them say they have stopped anything.
IF I KNEW All of what LE has, I could make better sense of this.
I wish I knew for a fact they have absolutely nothing, that would give me better evidence to make sense of things.
I wish I knew….
Hopefully we will see it all soon.
Whylie,
If its not justice, then there are remedies. Who will help move the ball? And when? …are my questions.
Cricket asked the question today too. There has to be a plan of action, then some action to get things changed. I wonder how many are waiting to do something that will move things forward? I know others feel the same about changing the sentences and maybe they( whoever and however many there are) will move it toward the ‘other side’ of where it is today. Idk. I guess we will see.
I wonder if its possible to gauge the impact on pill sellers, or better yet, teens who see this case or hear about it, and how that is or isn’t a deterrent. It would be interesting to find out if an effect can be measured. Can it save one life? Two? Fifty? Zero? … Hmmmmm.
Happy Birthday, sweet baby girl âĽ
Shame, shame on PCSO. They dropped the ball on this case and ran the ball over with a truck and destroyed it.
Shame on those guys and gals who wear bullet proof vests and carry guns so they can go home to their families. Shame on them for risking their lives dealing with druggies and thieves and sexual deviants. Oh yeah, they haven’t solved THIS childs disappearance, and while unfortunate, isn’t the only good, no, make that great work they do. I wonder if any of them at pcso have ever solved a case of any importance? I wish I had access to that info. It would better prepare me to speak in context about them.
I wish they had divulged all their info to the public and then we can monday morning quarterback them to the nth degree. Maybe we will soon. Idk.
Le didn’t commit this crime, a horrible person did, and if I knew what little, or what lot, le had, I could help figure it out, or at leat try.
Jmo, of course.
JenM, What you just wrote in your comment above.Its very possible.Its a good theory.An very well could be.I have read up on cases.An there have been abduction.where the perp coverd his track well.
Or like our little 2 yr olds murdered,we still dont know how that child killer got in.But it was a older country house.Windows were easy to get up,doors a little jemmy an we could get it open she was surrounded by older family members in the country neighborhood.but that bastard got in an left plenty of blood -Grrr,an some children throw up when they get scared,or hurt real bad.The investigators found throw up where ours got sick..
I just watched something on true tv.An it was about a child going missing,64 RSO in the area.Anyway they checked everyone,some people took ldt.But when the case started going cold.LE went back to recheck all the Rso.An one who had a alibi in the beginning.Case going cold LE when they went back over the RSO his alibi didnt stand up. He had already done under 10 yrs for rape of a teen,an molestation of a 10 yr old.Lord knows i pray HaLiegh didnt fall prey to one…..
.An when le went back an searched his house they found old cloths,an socks that had her dna on them.She was found at a old abandon house in the woods,Wrapped in old carpet.Cloths he wore the day she went missing,an to a consert with a friend that night.The person that went to the concert with him told what he was wearing when questioned the last time.
I know Investigators are trained,but human.An when a case is spining so fast in tring to get imfo, search,in the first 48 hrs,an after.that they can blunder.I think It happened in this case.
I surly dont know everything,but im well aware about criminals /the poor,an how they can be treated compare to those have money.An yes if you di the crime,you do the time.But i doupt very serously that little drug addict.Knew the time she would get. i doupt she knew She could get trafficing for sales.My goodness she was raied by addects,an her being a addect stoned,i doupt she was thinking about much,except a pill,an showing off.Big time dealers dont get robbed while trying to cop in the projects…They have there own stuff..Nut many may feel 25-200 is what she deserves.But i sure dont.Now if shes proven to have violebtly murdered a child,there isnt enough yrs for someone who does that.But i see no proof she did…
.An i really thought myself ,those kinds of charges,an time was for those busted in Fla going back,an forth to Mexico,.Busted this the first of the yr,in Fla with 15,million dollars worth of meth,crack,pills guns,trucks,why they even had their own survalence system-must have not hsd it on the day of the raid lol or it was faulty lol.I at 53 yrs old.dealing with the people i have,never seen people be charged like this,bond set as high,or time they are getting,an fixing to get.NEVER!!! iWONDER IF mISTY IS GETTING CHARGED FOR ALL THE SALES /even the ones she was only riding int the car when others sold.They really needed her case moved from before this judge…If they would give her youth offender deal.i would take her in afterwards.These teens in my family,im on them like a hawk lol we have eyes everywhere.They do nothing that i dont hear about,somtimes before the ever get home.NO drugs thank God/An so far no drinking once one tried puked all night but they called me to come get that one from a party.Never again.Only one sick time an that was enough.I think all they have seen me help dry out,an the shape they were in,that may have made mine know to stay away from the stuff.
I worry le hasnt looked at everyone like they should have,An i sure know about LE tacticks when they get tunnle vision i an my whole family lived through it for 2 yrs,like i said before it took us as a united family,an our PI to get the evidence that proved who it was.LE had to get off the tunnle vision,an realize they blundered.Of course we never got (a im sorry) from one of them..
Its bad when we had to do what LE couldnt,or wouldnt.An they were getting paid,an were trained.Our precious baby had- 30 licks about his head an body /fractured in the skull the size of a quarter/an if that wasnt enough he choked him with a belt ..
No sexual crime ,just violent murder.A stranger only had been in town 3 mo.we didnt even know him..Just the devil sliding through on a cold febuary 3rd night..We were gossiped about,lied on.Its unbelivable how people who have known you for yrs could do that.But pepole get bad,vile hateful things come from their hearts.In cases such as this.
Gods the final Judge,an each that lied,or gossiped about us.Before they knew the truth.Will stand before God,as we all will in the end.I WHEN I READ Thou shaLt not bare false whitness against your neighbor-love your neighbor as your self.When we see a person in a fault pray for them.Judge not less you be judged,.Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. What measure you hand out,is the same measure that you will recive.Love your neighbor(people) as you love yourself.I KNOW as a believer in Jesus ,an it not just on sunday.So if i believe in him,i wont be ashamed of whats is in his word,or my fait.An to me its not, religon but a every day relation ship with him.An if i belive in him,then i must try every day to do as he said do,if i want to go home when i pass to see my love ones who have gone home..An when i know ive stepped over the line in what ive said that came from my heart.I repent an try to change with his help….This is what gives me insight.Gods word,Gives me the wisdom,an change of heart to be willing to forgive,an look at those who i dont know if they are guilty or not.an pray for them.Because i know what its like to lose,an be accused.An not be guilty..
i will believe that HaLiegh is alive,because rarly do the not find a body.It does happens.But this is to clean of a case.I just have never seen drug addicts not leave a trail.Not fumble up.A clean crime,with not a trace-to me only a well planned crime would be found like this…but thats only my op, i could very well be completly wrong…
wasnt it KP stating she wanted to see Misty being arrested comming out the trailor within the week.Well it wasnt a `week.But she got he`r wish…
Tommy 2 times when he was pressured has given tales thinking he would get less time,or bond reduction.the knowcking on the door,LE quickly dropped the bond.Se he im sure though give them something an they will help me. But knowing a body would be found he though he would be in the clear no doupt.
An if he did know,an Joe truly did it.Well i guess he saw LEW WASNT PLANNING ON DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT WHY GIVE THEM ANYTHING ELSE.
JenM said,
in August 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Jaba, be very careful mentioning that Haleigh was taken to a âwaiting boatâ. There are those on here who will attack you for it. Mainly because I think they think they are smarter than everyone else, but thatâs my opinion.
I think this whole thing was a mean hateful act by someone who wanted the kids away from Ron and Misty. A non-custodial abduction. Someone had some pull and some power to make the rest of this happen. Jealousy, Vengence and down right Hate is what drives this sort of stuff. I also think that someone out there just doesnât pop up with thousands of dollars to give away to a drugged mother who doesnât pay her child support or take care of her kids, just to keep her from having to deal with the consequences. I think its all connected somehow. I also think that LE gets to bask in the glow of âlookie what we did, we locked up some small time drug dealersâ and I think it is all in exchange for keeping quiet about what they have learned about Haleigh. I think LE knows where she is and who has her, and that she is safe. So in exchange they get information to start busting people. Thatâs my opinion, and the haters on here can go ahead and attack me for it like you did in the other blog, I donât care.
Bottom line, MONEY IS POWER and POWER IS MONEY and it applies to everyone.
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Nothing wrong with the boat theory. We looked into who had boats around that time because of the dogs tracking to that dock, so it’s a legitimate theory that is always in the back of my mind.
Would be nothing to put her on a boat and travel up the St John’s to the coast and make a left turn up the coast and there is GA, it’s not really that far.
LE took a Jon boat in for testing, I guess it was a theory of theirs too. The maternal family took a boat one night to some islands to search around,I guess it was a theory of their too.
CATHY JO!!!!!!
I have you messages on that other site. I probably didn’t do it right. lol
Congrats on the new grandson!!!!!!!!!
Misty taking this plea what will it mean for Ronald’s case? He won’t get to testify against her now. Or will he get to in ST JOHNS county?
I wish someone would just tell the truth.
A small boat on that river, rowed, not powered, would be an easy piece of transportation, imo.
Greetings, I have visited this site almost daily for over a year, yet I have never posted before but I feel compelled to now.
I cannot begin to express my outrage. I am literally sickened by what is occurring.
Crimes related to the disappearance of Haleigh should not be a factor in the âunrelatedâ drug charges.
Law Enforcement cannot decide to punish individuals (backdoor) for crimes that cannot be proven. LE needs to do their jobs!
Our justice system may not be perfect but allowing the âgood ole boyâ network to override the fundamentals of the institution is terribly wrong.
I am disgusted the attorneysâ pleading these cases “no contest”. Law Enforcement abused their authority. LE manipulated the timing (Mistyâs age), Volume/Weight, and occurrence. LE participated in both supply and demand. The low-level participants were targeted and there was no effort to broaden the investigation into the higher level offenders. An attorney looking out for the best interest of their client would be able to formulate a defense allowing for a jury of their peers to decide.
As a nation we have decided to criminalize what amounts to a very large health problem. Granted, the health problem drives a black market and criminal empires. I maintain the âdealersâ that are their own best customers are not the individuals we need to incarcerate.
The âmandatoryâ minimum sentencings should be repealed. The sentencing is still manipulated through the plea bargaining. In other words, the flexibility is still available to the prosecutors and to a lesser extent judges. However, it virtually removes most of the oversight and value judgment inherent in the process but allows the power to reside in one functional area.
The drug policy of our country aside, the prosecution of these particular individuals certainly appears to be nothing more than a vendetta.
The abuse and failures of our system has been brazenly and in-your-face throughout the Haleigh investigation and the âunrelatedâ drug charges. I find it very disturbing. If unchecked, this could happen to me, you, or your family members/loved ones.
Regardless if you want to recognize itâŚ.when the criminals donât have rights neither do you.
Thank you for allowing me my say.
J said,
in August 16th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Not everything is some grand conspiracy. Even when people try to make it one. And simply typing something does not make it true.
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You got that right
Long post.an many typos.Im using a new puter,her key pad,on this lap top is more to the side.im hitting keys,an its not letters where mine has them.Kind of set to the side,than in the middle like mine..I would have to get use to this….sorry for the lenght of the post,i just got to typing,an got carried away–good night,
PRAYING FOR HAlIEGH TO BE RETURNED HOME-OR FOUND.She is really the most important one.She was helpless.If she was taken,or harmed.There would be no way for her to help her self.Oh how i pray shes safe!!!! It just makes me weep when thinking of someone so precious having been done wrong,taken from those she loved her brother,or harmed buy some on cruel.I keep hoping this has a happy ending.the loss of this little on who has touched our hearts would be great—i keep hoping,an praying….today will be the day..nite i may not be back for a few days..keep the faith,my friends,an fellow bloggers
Ron should get no break, he can’t do anything to help now, imo, on the drug cases that is.
Happy Birthday Haleigh! I am praying for you and all of your families!
J at 7:25.
Agreed.
I try and scroll up to check for typos before I post. I’m certainly not 100% accurate even when doing so, but I catch most of my dopey flubs.
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Happy Birthday Sweet HaLeigh. I lit my red candles for you at 2:16 am, the time you were born 7 years ago. Tomorrow I will release balloons to honor your birthday. And tonight when I go to bed, I will pray for a birthday miracle for you.
Donna Brock, 44, of Orlando, pleaded guilty to one charge and will be sentenced Sept. 1.
Morning, Everyone!
jaba said,in August 17th, 2010 at 1:17 am I wonder if its possible to gauge the impact on pill sellers, or better yet, teens who see this case or hear about it, and how that is or isnât a deterrent. It would be interesting to find out if an effect can be measured. Can it save one life? Two? Fifty? Zero? ⌠Hmmmmm.
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A lot of young people have the idea that bad stuff just won’t happen to them, you know? Plus I can easily see a young person looking at Hope’s 15 years and T’s and goodness knows what M and R will be sentenced to and saying – “oh well, LE is dumping on them because of that missing kid. That won’t happen to me” (meaning different circumstances).
What some young people do know is that they’re under 18 so LE can’t do much to them or it would be their first time so they think they’d get YO or something. So again, they will think their circumstances are very different from the Putnam County crowd.
So, no. I don’t think it will have much effect on
m2c . . . Good Morning!
Hi, Vaquera!
Off Topic: Have you had a chance to listen to the Victim Impact Statements for Emma Thompson?
Happy Birthday Baby HaLeigh:
these lyrics remind me of little HaLeigh…
Another day has gone, I’m still all alone
How could this be you’re not here with me
You never said goodbye, someone tell me why
Did you have to go and leave my world so cold?
Everyday I sit and ask myself
How did love slip away
Something whispers in my ear and says
That you are not alone, for I am here with you
Though you’re far away, I am here to stay
But you are not alone, for I am here with you
Though we’re far apart, you’re always in my heart
But you are not alone
‘Lone, ‘lone, why, ‘lone
Just the other night, I thought I heard you cry
Asking me to come and hold you in my arms
I can hear your prayers, your burdens I will bear
But first I need your hand then forever can begin
Everyday I sit and ask myself
How did love slip away
Something whispers in my ear and says
That you are not alone, for I am here with you
Though you’re far away, I am here to stay
But you are not alone, for I am here with you
Though we’re far apart, you’re always in my heart
For you are not alone
Oh whisper three words and I’ll come runnin’
And I, and girl you know that I’ll be there, I’ll be there
You are not alone, for I am here with you
Though you’re far away, I am here to stay
You are not alone, for I am here with you
Though we’re far apart, you’re always in my heart
You are not alone, for I am here with you
(You are not alone)
(I am here with you)
Though you’re far away, I am here to stay
(Though you’re far away)
(You and me)
For you are not alone, for I am here with you
(You are always in my heart)
Though we’re far apart, you’re always in my heart
R KELLY PUBLISHING INC;
Marta said,in August 16th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
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Hi, Marta!
Excellent comment! I agree with you 100%!
I have a real problem understanding why some folks would come on a Comment Board and bash or attack other posters for any reason!
Every one is entitled to his or her opinion, thoughts, theories, etc.
Why is it necessary to attack or bash? What does it accomplish? Is it productive?
A good civilized debate would be appropriate.
To me, it is important to respect other people. I may not agree with an opinion or a comment but I respect the person’s right to express his or her opinion, thoughts, etc.
Also, bashing and attacking is not respectful to the owners of this site, Simon and Jan Barrett. We need to all remember that we are guests here . . . . like a guest in their home!
Jan and Simon are a lot more patient with inconsiderate, rude, disrespectful folks than I would be. If I owned this site, I would have a zero tolerance policy for attacks, bashing, etc. One strike and you are out! Banned forever! End of subject! No second chance!
A long, long time ago, there were some folks that were regulars here and posted excellent comments; never caused problems. They left. I don’t know if it was because of attacks, bashing, etc.
I hope some of those folks will come back and start posting here again. There are a lot of new folks with great opinions and comments. I hope this site can be as great as it was a long time ago.
It would be really sad if Jan and Simon decided it is not worth their valuable time to constantly have to deal with folks that create problems by attacking, bashing, etc. and it that regard, shut down the comment boards. Something to think about!
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in August 17th, 2010 at 6:35 am Happy Birthday Baby HaLeigh
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Hi, Ilove!
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
and from me. . . . .
~~~~~ “Happy Birthday, Haleigh!” ~~~~~
Hey, Ann…….
yw…..
HaLeigh.. we love you.. happy #7
Off Topic
For those following the Eric Preimesberger case, I posted a Link, to a very important, informative update on the article Jan wrote on 8-14-10:
http://www.bloggernews.net/125073#comment-1731257
BNN Jan Barrett, Editor 8-14-10
“Eric Preimesberger May He Rest In Peace”
Good to see you, Ilove! Ann-Tx has left the building! LOL
we are here for HaLeigh… not to bash anyone.. if someone “bashes”, just ignore.. it’s Jan’s house to clean, so to speak…
it’s just like being at work… if you don’t like what someone says or does, leave the break room and start going out for lunch…
justice for baby HaLeigh….
jaba, they gave Donna Brock a break and she is the real drug trafficker in this case. She got a break and yet nobody else is getting a break. What’s wrong with that picture? If the one that was a real drug trafficker was given a break by the SA WHY are not the others being given a break? Justice?
J, in reference to your post August 16,2010 @ 5pm. The article I was referring to was last year August 27th 2009 in the BNN archives, supported by the Sept 09/09 article in the BNN archives and the VLA test of Misty. Ron said that the bed was made when he came home from work( he is aware of this info ). Misty says in August 2009 in the VLA how could the bed be made we were sleeping. It says LE confirmed that the bed was made when they arrived upon the scene in the am hours at Rons home @ 202 Green Lane.Rarely do we see anything that states LE confirmed. Ron may have been in panic when he first arrived home to hear his sitter say we were sleeping and I awoke to find Haleigh gone. How do you defend the sitter that she was sleeping in that bed with your other child when you are made aware that the bed was not slept in? Why would you marry her? even after the test in August 2009 he still defended her.
The article about Tommy being a suspect I agreed with in my post on August 16th 2010@ 4:56pm.
Happy Birthday Haleigh!
Ron did not say the bed was made. Tim Miller SAID that Ron said the bed was made.
Please go read the articles. In Sept 09/09 it says Ron said. IN August 27th article It says LE confirmed the bed was made when they arrived. Re- Listen to Mistys VLA she claims the bed was not made.
lfj, we’ve already had a discussion about them saying “the beds were made.” I think it’s possible that statement has been taken out of context, misconstrued and overblown. Just like a lot of other “statements” from long ago.
If the beds were “made” as if no one had been sleeping in them, why would LE drag the sheets out to the steps for the dogs to take scent from?
It doesn’t make sense for them to do that.
I have to agree with barbinOhio. Misy never had a chance at all. Left school after 7th grade???? Wasn’t there ONE adult around to help her? Honestly, what chance did she have. She obviously fell for Ron’s line because she desparately needed someone to love her. Yes, she sold drugs but where else would she end up? That is all she has ever seen!! I also agree that Tommy would throw anyone under the bus, including Lindsy if it would help him which is why I think he definitely had a huge part in whatever happened.
m2c, I realize we had the conversation before. iirc it was the bed clothes off of Haleighs bed that got dragged out; not the bed linens on Rons bed.
lfj – Maybe you weren’t online for that discussion. But we had posters say that some regard a bed as being “made” when it has sheets/blankets on it whether they’re rumpled and slept-in or neat and tidy. Others regard a bed as “made” only when it’s neat and tidy (like a bed should look when you first walk into your hotel room).
Obviously M regards “made” as meaning the beds had sheets and blankets on them because she says something like “Of course. We were sleeping in them (the beds).
We don’t know what R meant.
All the quotes I saw had beds – plural. So now people are saying that only M’s bed was supposedly made? Or was it Haleigh’s bed was supposedly not?
Again, I think this is completely misconstrued.
Jean I agree that Tommy is involved. I agree Misty never had a chance in the enviroment she lived in. I do not think Misty is the one who harmed Haleigh. I do not know who did. I do feel Misty knows what happened though.jmo
m2c what do you think LE meant? I think it meant neat and tidy otherwise it would not have concerned them. Stating that there is physical evidence that tells a different story than what Misty is telling.jmo
lfj, it’s well beyond me to try to imagine what the hey LE or R meant. Maybe they’ve seen enough bare mattresses on the floor to consider one with sheets thrown on it to be “made.” Some of our bloggers said they know people who consider something similar to be “made.”
Also, it’s not a defining comment to me – meaning one that clarifies or confirms anything. It’s just part of the whole muddle.
I don’t think any of them know what happened. Misty was asleep, Tommy was drugged and Ron was at work. Someone came in and took Haleigh out of the bed.
Someone who knew her, knew to turn on the kitchen light, knew to prop the back door so it didn’t slam, knew Misty was a heavy sleeper, knew Ron was at work. Misty woke up and that prevented them from getting Jr. too.
I think all the stories come from a couple of facts, one is a scared 17 y/o who is being questioned and is most likely in shock. I think the other stories were guesses or theories and LE took it for fact of what happened and I think media blew it out of proportion. Tommy threw the theories out there too and was unduly pressured by LE to tell them something. (Not even counting drug influence or education).
We had a man here that was charged with kidnapping this kid and killing her, but then was set free. LE first brought him in for questioning. They kept badgering him over and over and over, he was very tired and upset. They asked him, If you were to imagine how this crime was committed, what would you think the person did? How would you kidnap a kid? He told them what came to his mind. He said, well I guess I would wait till she was riding her bike and maybe went down an alley behind a store or something and then grab her and kill her, then throw her in a dumpster. LE took off with that story as if it was some sort of confession. Long story short, the man didn’t do it, LE is in hot water. The man was not to smart and didn’t understand what they were trying to get out of him.
Same thing could of happened with this bunch, who knows.
Im not knocking LE or the work they do everyday, but I think they are “so set on proving that they are right” that they are willing to lock up some little teenager selling pills in a neighborhood for her life??? That is an outrage!
Misty is not a mastermind or some psycho killer who has fooled LE and the FBI….geez.
Do they really beleive that? If so, why?
lfj @ 7:53 am Sorry I missed this comment. You said, ” it was the bed clothes off of Haleighs bed that got dragged out;”
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So, if LE and R meant that her bed was “made” as in not slept in, why would they drag her sheets out?
Surely there would be something better to use for her scent (which, I know, is a whole other discussion! lol!).
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I just think it is so sad – for Haleigh – that at this point we are hashing over the same things, knowing practically nothing new since the first night or few days Haleigh went missing. It’s like a hamster running on its little wheel in its cage. Around and around it goes, getting nowhere.
And unfortunately I don’t see the situation changing – maybe ever.
Where did Misty get all these pills from? Was it one person, two, three…? Why aren’t they charged with trafficing in drugs? If they are the person’s own prescriptions, they apparently don’t need them and if they are not stopped then they will just find another Misty to sell it for them. They are like Donna and deserve to also pay the price!
Gotta go to work, but on the bed issue…
…..growing up, our beds were not made when they had been stripped down for washing the sheets. They were made when there were sheets on them (dirty or clean). I grew up in the south.
…..now I consider my bed made when I have straightened everything on it for the morning. So, if someone asks me, did you make your bed this morning? It means did I straighten it up.
Funny though how this gets mixed, because my family was coming to visit last month and I was letting my brother stay in my room. I said, “the bed isn’t made yet”. This was because the sheets were in the wash still.
So, it’s semantics and depends on what part of the country you are from or how you say things. I noticed Misty said a lot of things differently.
m2c, I posted iirc it was Haleighs bed linens LE dragged out.
I imagine they dragged them out to try and get a scent. Misty claimed she only washed Haleighs blanket not her sheet. Misty never commented on Haleighs sheet. If you wash a blanket because it smells like pee wouldn’t you wash the sheet also? Perhaps it was not pee she washed from the blanket.jmo
I think Misty’s attorney.. Mr. Fields sums it up rather well.. That this is much like the Salem Witch Hunts…
Now, can anyone setting here stop for 5 minutes, and think.. What if: the only thing misty knows, is walking into that dark house, through the back door, over the linens thrown out on the back deck.. Finding Haleigh gone, and Junior asleep.. Misty was late in arrival, and she puts the blame on herself for Haleigh gone missing..
She calls ron on the phone to come home, no answer.. he arrives, and the call is made..
Just keep in mind ron’s comments: I can’t find my phone, hang up, we have better people to call then these …….., who an’t coming..
Think: Where was ron’s phone??? Why couldn’t he find his phone??
Now, just who would misty be covering for??? Herself?? Ron???
Here is the little tid bit from dispatch.. Have a read…
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26. <———dispatcher asks you are at 116 Tyler St??
MLE1: Whatâs going on at 116? <——— Supervisor ask, what’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256. <———-Deputy calls Dispatch
OP: Go head. <———–Dispatcher Answers.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green. <–Deputy advises she is back in service going to green ln.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address. <— dispatcher advises she was verifying last seen.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago.. <–1256 is giving a timeline of verification
OP: 10:4.MLES: Sierra 1120 to Lima 1118.
Think about it, if the bed had not been slept in and was made, does anybody really think that KP would not have been all over that?
lfj if LE thought Haleigh’s bed had not been slept in (which is what some people think they meant when saying the bed was “made”) why would they drag the sheet(s) from that bed out for a scent?
Makes no sense.
And I agree, JenM @ 8:40. I think that’s happened with other things people said, too.
We are really operating with a huge lack of information and taking comments out of context and very possibly misconstruing their meaning. And that is all we have to go on – round and round the gerbil’s little wheel we go!
melee, It is still a mystery about this. I do remember Ron asking where his phone was,but he could have laid it down and forgot where he put it. I cannot tkae it as though it was not with him in the home. I have looked for something high and low to find it in my pocket. The we have better people to call and hanging up on the 911 operator now that to me is a red flag!!
Can somebody point me to LE saying the bed was made? All I can find it TM saying that Ron told him the bed was made. Even if Misty had not slept in the bed, Jr did, so doubtful the bed was made, as in not slept in.
well m2c, considering we do not get confirmation from LE on alot of info, I feel that this info carries a lot more wieght than what an average person may consider as what a bed being made is. This is FDLE and I feel that they think the looked a bit too tidy to have been slept in.jmo
I just read this:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24645217/detail.html#
and this bit caught my eye:
Hollars said she still believes Haleigh’s body was dumped into the St. Johns River, and in her opinion, everyone in the Croslin family knows more than what they’ve admitted to.
“Misty is the one that told me they wrapped her in a bag and tied it with a yellow rope and dropped her into the St. Johns River,” Hollars said.
Now when did the good granny add the “body in a bag” to her story?
Whylie it is the BNN archives dated August 27,2009. Misty fails a fourth poly. Then you can back that up with Sept 09/09 TJ Hart it talks again about Ron saying the bed was made when he came home from work and the dirty clothes in the dryer.
I am not debating that R told TJ or Tim M that the bed was made. I’m assuming that’s true. However what does R mean by “made?” And if he meant all neat and tidy and not slept in, what sense does that make for LE to have taken the sheets for the dogs? Same goes for why wouldn’t KP jump on that?
Also, did LE ever state that the bed was made and if so what do they mean by “made?”
Misty is NOW trying to throw JO under a bus in exchange for a reduced sentence. Wont work. If she REALLY saw him take Haliegh, why the Hel#did she not say something about it 18 months ago!!!! Ron could not blame her, as she is trying to say it was in exchange for a gun RON had. Baloney. Her “story” will never stick. LE need more than the story of a drug dealer iching to get out of jail to arrest JO.
Misty pleads NOLO in St. John’s County, too. No surprise, but confirmed:
http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/courtcaseweb/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=Cummings%2c+M&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=192668
m2c, it states that LE confirned Rons story that the bed were made.I am not debating Ron or TM. I am debating that LE confirmed it.
oops confirmed
m2c I am sure LE look at it way differently than you or I do. They were there to investigate a missing child. I think they meant too neat and tidy to have been slept in by Misty and a child. This shows why Mistys story of how she and Jr. got under the covers while Joe and Tommy took Haleigh and she could hear Haleigh screaming could not be true. This is one of the flaws in her latest accounts of what happened the night haleigh disappeared.jmo
ITA BJB.
She is wildly throwing out anything…in the hopes that something will stick and she will get that get out of jail free card. I’d bet she would give ANYTHING to actually KNOW anything about what happened that night….
I just do not understand why she would tell a story that involves Haleigh being deceased if there was not an ounce of truth to it. I think she knows something more than what she is saying.jmo
I agree, BJB @ 9:51 am
Also the wrong DVD was in the play station, the DVD player in the livingroom was not plugged in. The inside back door closes on its own, Haleighs shirt in the laundry pile.
LE took Mistys clothes including underwear, I wonder what was found on them? Many things could be found minute particals of drugs, DNA,fibers that were not from the MH. If JO was there and even brushed Misty there could be DNA from him on her clothes. I also thought about this when she was claiming Joe raped her, there would be evidence on her clothes. Not just *** but hairs and skin flakes. jmo
vaquera said,
in August 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Tommy lost everything because of Tommy. Heâs a grown ass man and he would never cover for Misty and he surely wouldnât cover for cousin Joe. PCSO is calling him a suspect for a reason and thereâs also a reason they said they didnât intend to interview Joe anymore.
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Morning everyone, I have kicked around the terms that PCSO have used in this case since the beginning and they all seem to lack the conviction that would assure me that PCSO knows the truth or is even telling us the public the truth. IMO LE is only telling what they want us to hear.
What should we all speculate TC is suspected of? A homicide?
I might suggest TC with Werter and SKB’s help is suspected now of being involved. This particular relationship between these three IMO is smelling like the ol’ Sheffileld’s litter box. You can only cover the chit for so long, before the stench is so strong you can’t ignore the source.
BJB, Don’t you think a story that violent could only bring more heat on her?
You are 100% correct Tobias.
Misty pleads no contest again:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=163388&catid=3
looking for justice-
No. Why would it bring more heat on her? she looks even better in her story–she was “scared to death” to do ANYTHING to help haleigh, so she hid with Jr and protected him. THEN, she was scared to death, because it WAS so violent, that she kept quiet all this time. I will say it again—BALONY. JO will NOT be arrested because there will be NO evidence to back up her “story”
Goodmorning Texasmommy, I am not sure if Tommy decided to jump on board with Mistys story to try and convince LE that Joe did it and he and Misty be set free or not. I personally think that Tommy is involved after the fact. I think Misty knows what happened. Remember this was Mistys story;not Tommys. he just tried to corroborate it. I cannot understand why Misty made the claim Haleigh is deceased if there is no truth to it.
Misty Croslin Pleads ‘No Contest’ St. Johns County Court on Haleigh Cummings’ Birthday
But she wasnt so scared to go to Tenn. where Joe was for 10 days? She even said she planned on staying but Ron called her and wanted her to come back. jmo
looking for justice,
It is a logical conclusion to say haleigh is decreased. If she blames JO for taking her, and says haliegh is OK, then WHERE IS SHE??? LE would REALLY put the screws on Misty to find Haliegh if misty said she was alive and well. with a decreased body, she can claim that JO got rid of haleigh. IT HIM, but no haliegh because he GOT RID OF HER BODY
BJB, Mistys story of how she and Jr. got under the covers brings more heat,because the bed would be messed up;not made up as LE confirmed the bed was made up on their arrival to Green Lane.jmo
lfj, I read the sept article by TJ and it does not say in there that Ron said the bed was made. TJ based the article on his own conclusions based on pretty much the same info we have.
LE has been tight lipped from the start so I doubt they gave out any info to TJ or anybody else. That leads me to believe that TJ got the info from a source other then LE.
I will go read the aug article now and see just who LE confirmed that statement to. If it was reported by TM that LE confirmed it, well that holds no weight with me based on some of the things TM has said in regards to this case.
Thank you for posting the article dates, much appreciated.
AND, Looking for Justice, LE SAID haliegh is dead. Of course Misty would agree—-tell LE what they want to hear to get that get out of jail free card
Again Tobias you are correct 100%.
Looking for justice-
That is my point…misty is lying about her newest “story”
Does anyone here actually think that any one of the stories M has told is true? Is there any use at all in investigating them to figure that out?
To me the only one that MIGHT be true, is “I don’t know.”
Le did not call this a homicide until after the Shell Harbour search which was triggered by Mistys story and Tommy trying to corroborate it.
We will all see that this is nothing but a cockamayme story, fabricated to get out of jail, when NO arrests are made in the coming months.
looking for justice,
I am not sitting on the edge of my bed waiting for an arrest. there will be none.
m2c, you just don’t come up and say a child is dead for no reason. You have to search for the truth in all of the lies.
Well, maybe it doesn’t matter what we think about M and T’s stories. Obviously LE thought enough of them to declare Haleigh dead, search Shell Harbor and hassle JO again.
So I guess LE believed them. Or wanted to.
Now they’re up the creek again.
lfj, that’s if there is any relevant truth there in the first place. And I agree with BJB that M told a story that LE wanted to hear. THAT is the difference. Too bad it didn’t work out for them.
I pray to God that there will be Justice for Haleigh oneday. Sooner than later. Today would be a great day for the truth to come out. It is Haleighs 7th birthday.
This is from the Aug article:
The report on the TES website claims Ronald said âthe bed was madeâ and that police confirmed Ronaldâs story.
So again I ask, who did LE confirm with that the bed was not made, since that article by TJ states that he got that info off of the TES website, not that TJ got that info first hand from LE.
LE has not given out any info to media, to TM, to the families, so as far as the bed being made, not made, clothes in the dryer, the washer running, failed LE given LDT, all speculation unless it came directly from LE or Ron or Misty, imo.
Since the tip was made and it was about to hit the National News(NG) I feel LE HAD TO FOLLOW ALL LEADS. tRUE OR LIES ITS THEIR JOB TO FOLLOW THE LEADS AND TIPS. JMO
Why would anyone say that about this beautiful little girl( that she is dead). People stop searching for them on statements like this! Haleigh needs to be found no matter what! jmo
Tobias,
your absolutely right. follow all leads and tips.
T @ 10:18 – So what’s the excuse for informing the family’s that Haleigh was dead and declaring this a homicide before searching the harbor?
WhyLie, do you think just because it stated that LE confirmed on the tes site that it is a lie?
lfj, you should send your 10:21 am comment to PCSO. They’re the ones who need to hear it.
I agree with you.
LE has stated many times in their updates that the physical evidence in the home does not jive with Mistys accountabilities of what went on the night in that home when Haleigh disappeared. I find this to be considered a physical peice of evidence.jmo
WhyLie @ 10:16 You said, “LE has not given out any info to media, to TM, to the families, so as far as the bed being made, not made, clothes in the dryer, the washer running, failed LE given LDT, all speculation unless it came directly from LE or Ron or Misty, imo.”
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I agree. And would like to add that whatever any of them has said could be wrong -intentionally or not.
I am sure PCSO and FDLE have their reasons for now calling this a homicide. Perhaps there was something in Mistys story or her LDTs that confirmed it. I do not know. I am just honestly debating it.
I may have to give this wheel back to the gerbil because I’m getting nauseus. No offense to anyone. It’s just the way this case is.
Poor Haleigh. God bless her.
I believe they said to be prepared and then later said they were changing this case to a homicide. Days apart, but with 2 people who saw her last that day saying she was dead, and making statements that she was in the river.
Why would they say that when they could have said Joe took her and we dont know where she is? jmo
Tobias you are correct. That is exactly what was stated. jmo
Tobias. who knows? who knows why Misty did not tell her “story” 18 months?
HELLO—Does ANYONE on this blog believe for a moment, with all the video footage that we have of Misty, that she looked SCARED of ANYTHING?????????????????????
To be truthful I only saw Misty scared of Ron.jmo
Such a horrifying story that misty told, yet never did she look scared. She looked RADIENT on her wedding day, yet never looked scared. She looked smug and defiant at her interviews, yet never looked scared.
Such a HORRIFYING story she told, yet she never looked scared.
I’ll “say” it again…Baloney with her “story”. she knows nothing to get herself out of prison.
bonanzajellybean said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Tobias. who knows? who knows why Misty did not tell her âstoryâ 18 months?
HELLOâDoes ANYONE on this blog believe for a moment, with all the video footage that we have of Misty, that she looked SCARED of ANYTHING?????????????????????
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nope, she wasn’t afraid of anyone.
So i again have to ask myself—why not tell her story 18 months ago? I keep coming to the same conclusion—she has nothing to tell.
looking for Justice said,in August 17th, 2010 at 10:14 am “m2c, you just donât come up and say a child is dead for no reason. You have to search for the truth in all of the lies.”
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What about NayNay’s letter and story from what’s his name and the search of the Mondex pond? They didn’t declare Haleigh dead or change it to a homicide then? Or when they dug up the G/S property.
I thought about that too when she was walking all over the place at night on roads to meet up with Ron and others. Buying drugs in the projects, going to Tenn. where Joe was.
The only time I saw her as being afraid was in the beginning when she kept looking at Ron during interviews for answers to questions.
And why would she need to do that? She was the one there, Ron was at werk. jmo
M2C, Those statements were not made by 2 of the last people to see Haleigh. jmo
looking for Justice said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Goodmorning Texasmommy, I am not sure if Tommy decided to jump on board with Mistys story to try and convince LE that Joe did it and he and Misty be set free or not. I personally think that Tommy is involved after the fact. I think Misty knows what happened. Remember this was Mistys story;not Tommys. he just tried to corroborate it. I cannot understand why Misty made the claim Haleigh is deceased if there is no truth to it.
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IMO Joe was thrown under the bus by Chealse in relation to the van that mysteriously was moved and was scratched.
IMO Misty has always claimed that she believed that HaLeigh was alive and being hidden as well as the Cummings.
Tommy jumped on board is the right phrase IMO, but, the question is why?
The day TC took the LDT (April 8th)he had a visit with LC (around 6pm)and it is MO that LC had expected TC to have said something and TC claimed there was only one question about his niece, a question about TC going to the Cummings MH the night of Feb. 10 and knocking on the MH door at 10 pm and he said he did not lie and she said he did. If I am correct it is common knowledge that TC failed this part and LE (?) now believe he lied about knocking on the MH door that night.
How is someone labeled credible after failing a LDT?
Why would TC and Misty make phone calls to GHollars on the same day and discuss the same thing? We never heard Misty’s call did we?
The family already knew the story when TC made that call to Ghollars. IMO so did LC. The details had already been worked out. JMO IT was how it was all delivered that has me inclined to question more as well as the rest of you. TC did not want to point a finger at Joe, but, when faced with time that could possibly take more than he was willing to lose; IMO it would make anyone tell a lie if they thought it would save their arse. The fact that this particular lie had really no way of proving, unless evidence was found or planted….:(
Makes you wonder about LE’s efforts to question nearby neighbors about a silver Plymouth van seen in area recently.JMO
Makes you wonder what was found to indicate HaLeigh had been killed there? I am under the impression that no body was found or evidence of a homicide at Shell Harbor, but, it has been classified as such with out this proof. Remember LE searched the Cummings trailer for over a month and Shell Harbor for only 3 days. WTH is going on is my question and why is PCSO taking this investigation in this direction with no obvious proof or evidence?
WhyLie said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Ron did not say the bed was made. Tim Miller SAID that Ron said the bed was made.
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Exactly and we know TM was saying things back then that wasn’t really true or he misconstrued it.
Tobias you are right about how Misty would look to Ron before answering questions. Misty looked at Ron on the Yoday show nad then acknowleged to the whole world she was telling inconsistent stories, but she did not know why.
The today show and. I need an edit button.lol!
Texasmommy I believe Joe is a scapegoat. I would like to know why on Tommys part also. In Tommys call to G.Hollar she said to Tommy is it what Misty said? He said yep! We have never heard Mistys tape of the call to G.Hollar perhaps due to evidence it may contain.jmo
Ann – Tx said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 6:21 am
Hi, Vaquera!
Off Topic: Have you had a chance to listen to the Victim Impact Statements for Emma Thompson?
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No ma’am, not yet. Been busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
I will have time tonight, I hope.
Now, back to work for me.
bjb, I totally agree, misty never looked scared of anything. Even casey anthony woke up in the middle of the night at her boyfriends house in cold sweats, crying and such…it affected her whether she lied about it or not, it affected her. misty showed nothing….almost cold.
Hmmm..
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24658375/detail.html
Lawyer: Misty Knows Who Took Haleigh
Hi Methinks. You are right Misty did seem almost cold.
looking for Justice said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Texasmommy I believe Joe is a scapegoat. I would like to know why on Tommys part also. In Tommys call to G.Hollar she said to Tommy is it what Misty said? He said yep! We have never heard Mistys tape of the call to G.Hollar perhaps due to evidence it may contain.jmo
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It obviously was not the same story TC was willing to say happened. I remember the word BS used in reference to what GHollar was speculating and trying to publicly confirm. IMO this is a well planned attempt to create reasonable doubt again and to make this case go as cold as ice. No body, no evidence , no proof of motive, opportunity and ability, no confession, no charges.
and the way she laughed during some of the calls to her mother , talking about how she looked terrible in one of her mugshots? Who the hell cares what you look like? Where is that baby? you have to know something. Her dad asked her hard questons where her mom just played into mistys wah wah poor me game. I wonder why. Misty had to have known that her secret was safe. And going back to the beginning, when HaLeigh was walked to the school bus in the morning, didn’t misty say when they returned, they, her ron and jr layed back down. I would think that jr would not be very tired in the afternoon after sleeping all morning. He must have been awake through alot of what was going on that night.
Tobias @ 10:55 about my comment at 10:51 – which I think you misunderstood as it was in response to something specific that lfj said.
It doesn’t matter. LE still searched on the basis of those tips and at the G/S’s because the G/Ss wanted them to.
There is no excuse for declaring this a homicide before searching Shell Harbor EVEN when the “tips” came from M and T EXCEPT it fit what LE wanted to have people believe – maybe even what they believed. But they were wrong. Or at best they found no evidence. LE needs to set things right again and change it back to a missing child case.
Methinks Ron and Misty drove HaLeigh that morning to GGS and ate breakfast and allowed HaLeigh to get a outfit she preferred to wear that day and then drove her to school and Misty walked her in.
Actually they need to go a step further and classify it as a family abduction and then we just might get some where. Increase that reward to a sizable amount since they all seemed to need cash and just step back and see who crawls out of the wood work or better yet see if HaLeigh doesn’t get found all of a sudden.
Well I guess I have had enough of the gerbil wheel. LOL
Happy Birthday HaLeigh. ((Hugs))) and ****Kisses** from All of us that will not stop until we find you. If I had My way You would be given the greatest gift today… a chance to come home to all those that love you and have suffered everyday that you have been away from them. Time has revealed a lot and it will eventually reveal where you are and who is truly at fault and who all is guilty. BBL
PCSO need to make this right. HaLeigh deserves more than just justice. IMO Offer a deal that can not be refused and a way to end this case with HaLeigh being found and returned to her loved ones.
Texasmommy39 said,in August 17th, 2010 at 11:51 am PCSO need to make this right. HaLeigh deserves more than just justice. IMO Offer a deal that can not be refused and a way to end this case with HaLeigh being found and returned to her loved ones.
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I agree, Tm39. I assumed when LE pulled off this drug “sting” that they were prepared to offer a deal that couldn’t be refused. It seems either they have not or these people don’t know anything.
m2c, tm, I agree, it wouldn’t bother me one bit if they offered a complete get out of jail free card with no charges pending to any one of them that can lead us to Haleigh, dead or alive. It’s time to bring this case to an end and allow the family to get closure one way or another. A free pass out of jail might just do it. They will eventually mess up again anyway so why not let them go if they can bring Haleigh home?
looking for Justice said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 10:23 am
WhyLie, do you think just because it stated that LE confirmed on the tes site that it is a lie?
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I do not believe LE told anybody anything, and that includes TM. TM also said that LE told him that Misty failed the LDT’s they gave her. I do not believe that anybody in LE told TM that. I do not believe that LE gave anybody information, not media, not TJ, not AH, not the families, and not TM.
We can all draw our own conclusions from what TM said and whether he lied or not. I have drawn my conclusions on what TM saying being truth or lies based on what LE has done and said and what LE has not said, to anybody else. Why would TM rank any special info from LE and nobody else did/does?
vaquera said,in August 17th, 2010 at 11:09 am
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Hey, Vaquera!
Your comment made me LOL! About the one legged man! I can tell you are from the south. I’ve heard that one many times before!
I feel Misty’s attorney should point blank confront her and say, “WHO ARE THE TWO PEOPLE THAT THIS IS GOING TO HURT???” If she refuses to divulge, then I would say to her.. .okay, then whatever happens, happens…..
Misty and Chelsea KNOW…… Lindsy MIGHT know something,because there is a reason she divorced Tommy that quickly….
Misty needs to SPILL it…
Ann – Tx said,
in August 17th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
vaquera said,in August 17th, 2010 at 11:09 am
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Hey, Vaquera!
Your comment made me LOL! About the one legged man! I can tell you are from the south. Iâve heard that one many times before!
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LOL, that and my nuttier than a squirrel turd. LOL I wouldn’t be from anywhere else but the south. đ
I think Misty was smart to plead no lo. That way Ron’s plea deal is worth nothing. Provided the plea deal was for this case. Why should his sentence be reduced when everyone else has to pay the full price for what they did?
I can’t wait for his hearing.
RM, what about Donna Brock, her charges were lowered in exchange for her testimony against Misty. Maybe her charges should be reinstated to the full amount since Misty is pleading out and Donna won’t need to testify. Why shouldn’t Donna face the full 25 years min/man for the crime she committed?
Hi WhyLie,
I didn’t realize Donna Brock did the same thing also. Yes, I also feel she too should face the full amount of time as well.
Yes RM, the lowered Donna Brock’s charges from a min/man 25 year charge to a min/man 15 year charge. I guess the SA threw away some of the pills or something to make the amount less.
I wonder if the SA is going to miraculously find the pills and charge Misty for the full amount giving her a min/man of 25 years.
I guess we will see just how much justice is shown on the same case for the same amount of pills.
I have a question, so many posters have empathy for Misty because of her parents lifestyle, lack of schooling and getting involved so young with drugs but the same posters say terrible things about Tommy. Why no empathy for Tommy? He had the same parents with the same exact lifestyle, he had the same lack of schooling and also got involved with drugs at a young age. Why is it “poor Misty” and “horrible Tommy”?
LadySadie,
I personally have not posted anything negative about either of them. However, my opinion of Tommy IS more negative. For me it is because he is older than Misty and he had a wife and children.
However, they both strike me as being self-serving and devious people. There, now I have bad-mouthed them both.
Thanks RM for answering, I’m just trying to understand that since they were both raised in the same environment with the same experiences why one is sympathetic and the other is evil incarnate.
LadySadie, I don’t think they were raised in the same environment. I have listened to the way they talk to and about Misty versus the way they talk to and about TC, hardly the same.
I think Misty took the brunt of a lot of things that went on in that household. We have heard from her own grandmother’s mouth that if Misty was sexually assaulted, she must have liked it. I believe that is the environment Misty grew up in, and God only knows what may have happened to Misty growing up in that household.
Listen to the way TC talks about his “boys” compared to his slight references to his daughter. To me that says a lot about the type of person TC is and his outlook on females.
FormerOstrich said,in August 17th, 2010 at 1:36 am
You said it so well and may I add
âBetter that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer,â said
English jurist William Blackstone. The presumption of innocence and (insofar as the statement speaks of âguilt,â âconviction,â
âimprisonment,â and the like) the burden of proof âbeyond a reasonable doubtâ
that prevails in criminal law.
LadySadie said,in August 17th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
I do agree there seems to be a notable difference. Tommy says he has been into drugs since he was 11 years old. That is sad. He was raised in the same house. He, perhaps had some advantages in parental consideration. (I don’t know about that one for sure although whylie does have some interesting points there)
Perhaps people feel a little different about Tommy because of the “Bus stop incident”, the gun stolen from the blind neighbor and the way he tells Lindsay, who has no income and 3 small children, not to spend any of the tax return in case he needs it to get out of jail. Lindsay says ” I need to have food to live” and Tommy says ” I don’t care, don’t be spending any of that money!”
All in all he may appear less deserving of sympathy.
Misty on the other hand appeared to be taking care of children, (everyone including Crystal TN, and even originally GM hollars says Misty could never hurt a child.) Misty was never in legal trouble and she is really still a child herself. So all in all she is the one to garner more sympathy.
Your point about their up bringing is well taken and no child should slip through the cracks like all of these people seem to have done as children. This is a terrible story from the very beginning for everyone associated with it.
Many months ago, I posted that I believe Misty has dissociative disorder and has been suffering from dissociative amnesia.
She has been taking medications while in jail and hopefully her mind has cleared some. At the time and for a substantiated time period, she has blocked this out, too painful to recall.
I think the associated guilt with allowing someone to take Haleigh was too overwhelming and traumatic, especially on this teenager.
She blamed herself and Ron blamed her too right off the bat. LE has kept on at her. Like she said, how much can a 17 y/o take?
She offered to take the lie detectors and voice analysis. She wants to know what happened as much as everyone else, if not more. But she has not been able to tell. All she knows is that she doesn’t know.
LE may know this information and by having her in jail, can wait till her mind clears. She has endured a lot for a young girl her age. Trauma can do strange things to people.
At any rate, just for the record, I will post this again…..LE in the Kyron case have publicly stated that they know the Stepmother did something, but because they have no body and no story, they don’t want to arrest her for it because she could get off. They said they are just “waiting” till she either slips up or they find a body/story. The DA is the one that signals the arrest to take place. This happens when the DA believes they can make the murder charge stick.
Well, the same thing very well could be happening here. Waiting by JO’s house 24/7 surveilence….waiting for him to slip up…waiting to find the story of what happened to Haleigh…maybe find Haleigh…then BAM, make the charges stick. I think they went quiet for a reason after the Shell Harbor search, and maybe its because they know who did it, they just can’t prove it YET!
Just another theory of mine.
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