Babacan said if the resolution is passed in Congress, the Jewish population will inevitably be the target of public anger in Turkey. He said Turkish officials have told the ADL and other US Jewish groups in recent talks that the widespread perception in Turkey would be that “Armenian and Jewish lobbies unite forces against Turks.” He said: “We have told them that we cannot explain it to the public in Turkey if a road accident happens. We have told them that we cannot keep the Jewish people out of this.” — Today’s Zaman [Turkish English-language newspaper]

If you want to talk about murder how about the Armenian terrorist organizations? Did you forget Asala? Oh but I forgot, you like your Iranian allies think terrorism is heroic.

What’s worse? Having laws or using intimidation and terrorism to shut people up?

But like I said earlier it isn’t easy to knock any sense into a person who disputes facts from the NUREMBURG TRIALS. You’d make the Iranian president very proud.

No matter how hard Turkey tries and how much money it wastes to rewrite the history to deny the genocide its efforts are doomed to fail.

For the kinds of Norman Serami the world will always appear flat until they finally decide to join the civilized world.

As far as Mesrob Mutafyan if he were under threat wouldn’t he just leave? Or do you constantly make up illogical little tidbits to fit into your delusional little premises?

Appealing to the logic if a person who questions the findings of the Nuremburg trials isn’t easy. You might as well tell me the world is infact flat.

Gagging human rights advocates has always been the specialty of Turkish government. Shall I remind “Norman Serami” of the murder of Hrant Dink few months ago? He surely should know how Dink’s murderers are glorified as Turkish national heroes.

So my answer to “Norman Serami” is, the only extremist entity here is the Turkish government with a lot to hide, but not for long.

Secondly can you please explain to me why extremist Armenians who peddle these Armenian genocide claims have blocked Patriarch Mesrob II Mutafyan’s speech at George town university? For those who don’t know Patriarch Mesrob II Mutafyan is the religious leader of all Armenians.

Apparently the religious leader of all Armenians doesn’t conform to the beliefs of the extremist Armenian’s living overseas to a point where they would pressure university’s to stop him from speaking. If the Armenian community won’t even allow the religious leaders to speak how do you think they react when non Armenians try to speak on the subject? This whole thing is really getting out of hand, where is the decency?

Before you get too carried away with your anti-Armenian claims which are mainly coming from that discredited cartoonist Holdwater’s (real name Murad Gumen) ridiculous “tallarmeniantale” website, you should not conveniently ignore the fact that during WWII, five hundred thousand Armenians fought against Nazi Germany with their five infantry divisions of which half of them fell for the defeat of Germany. As a matter of fact, one of the first Soviet divisions that entered Berlin was Tamanian’s Armenian division.

So, please, have some decency and refrain from being part of your Turkish government’s well financed, yet ridiculous propaganda wave.

Again why are the Ottoman archives open and the Armenian archives are completely locked down. What are they hiding?

Now if Aram as an Armenian really wants to bring up different people’s relationships with the Jews during ww2 lets do that. There was actually an Armenian regement of the SS troop that was tasked with clearing out Jews from the caucasus region. Now before you cry that this is propaganda I must remind you that these are facts that came out during the Nuremburg trials. Now if you’re still going to cry that they’re lies that would mean you’re claiming information that came out during the Nuremburg trials, the same Nuremburg trials that proved the Holocaust. Again rejecting the finds of the Nuremburg trials is the same as rejected the fact the Holocaust ever occured. Do you want to walk down that path?

As an Armenian you should avoid bringing up people’s relationships with the Jews considering there are concrete facts of Armenian collaboration with the Nazi’s in hunting Jews. Not just tidbits from a propaganda machine but real life facts that came to light in an international trial. My advice to you MR. Aram, as an Armenian you should avoid this subject like the bubonic plague.

You won’t be able to peddle your made up stories forever, eventually somebody will come out with facts. Your problem isn’t seem to be the Turkish government, it seems your problem is that you’re allergic to facts.

The truth eventually comes out, especially when non bias people are finally starting to look into your claims.

It is clear that the Turkish government is shamelessly going the extra mile to create rift among Armenians and Jews, but their goal will never be materialized.

As far as an earlier post about the fact there had been a trial this is true, but it wasn’t in Germany. England while occupying the Ottoman empire needed more moral arguments to occupy the country. The so-called crimes still fresh the British decided to hold such a trial on the Island of Malta. The prosecutor refused to take the case as he claimed he could not in good conconscious prosecute a case based on falsified documents.

The trial in Germany you refer to had nothing to do with the events of 1915, it was a simple murder trial. The death of one man’s family would be enough in your opinion to put the tag of genocide? If that were the case is Israel guilty of genocide in Palestine? Is America guilty of genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan? Hell can a murder be labeled with genocide if he kills somebody?
Your arguments leave A LOT to be desired.

As far as the Jewish aspect of this, perhaps Jewish people interested in this topic should do some research about how much the Jewish population suffered in the Ottoman Empire from the Armenian insurgents who were clearing our villages of non Aremnians trying to carve out a territory for themselves during WW1.
How the Nuremburg Trials shed light on an Armenian Brigade in the SS army of Adolf Hitler. All these aren’t a bunch of imaginary documents manufactured for political purposes like the Armenian claims but are claims PROVEN in an international court of law.

Also how can you possibly explain the fact the Ottoman archives are completely open to historians were as the Armenian archives are completely locked down. No history is allowed to see these archives. What are they hiding????

It is no wonder that the Jewish community in Turkey are up in arms considering their grand parents and great grandparents were around to remember the atrocities by the Armenians in Ottoman lands.

To take the moral case in “standing with the Armenian community” as it pertains to Jews is extremely ridiculous considering Armenia is one of the most anti-semitic country in the world. Theories fly around in the Armenian Parliament that the Jews ordered the murder of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. A bit of research on the situation of Jews in Armenian, and relations between Jews and Armenians in history will shed much light on this topic. There are countless volumes of scholarly work on this issue by Jewish historians. (Try reading through it, you might learn something.)

Condi is right about not getting involved in a dispute about semantics (i.e. genocide or massacre?). Congress is not an appropriate body for making declarations on global events from nearly a century ago. American Armenians for reasons justified or not are unwittingly hindering the normalisation of relations in the Caucuses. They offcourse have the luxury their compatriots don’t. Furthermore, It’s fantasy to suggest that recognition will yield reparations. It won’t. There is no legal basis for making a claim on country that was not even in existance at the time of the events.

As for those “courageous lawmakers on both sides of the isle” most of those would be nothing more than opportunistic politicians catering to a small vocal constituency or just climbing on the bandwagon and guided by political expediency rather than principle. Unlike them, Condi has to deal with the repercussions of an act with no point.

Dear Madam Secretary Condoleezza Rice:

Your comments during U.S. House Appropriations Subcommittee on State-Foreign Operations hearings (Wednesday, March 21, 2007), on the issue of the Armenian Genocide are insulting, racist, and void of decency.

According to your remarks the United States should not be involved in a dispute between Turkey and Armenia over whether the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians almost a century ago constituted genocide.

The Armenian Genocide is an American human rights issue, not a dispute between two distant countries. Just as slavery was and still is an American human rights issue not a dispute between Nigeria or any other African state and Great Britain.

The present day Republic of Armenia, and the Republic of Nagorno Karapakh, have little concern about the Armenian Genocide because they are the only provinces of historic Armenia which were able to defend themselves against continuous Turkish aggressions and maintain their independence against the harshest odds. These Republics and their neighboring Turkish states do have many issues which have a better chance of being resolved once the United States properly acknowledges the Armenian Genocide.

It is I, and millions of Americans of Armenian descent like me, who lost their ancestral homeland, and found refuge in this great country, it is us that were promised to have our homes back by President Woodrow Wilson, it is us who want you to honor our history and our rights as human beings.

If all Americans adopted your racist attitude about human rights issues probably you would still have been a slave now. After reading your comments I wonder which is worse, the physical enslavement of people, or the enslavement of the mind which leads to the moral prostitution of the American constitution and all the values that it stands for in the hands of this administration.

Your comments are equally insulting and degrading to Turkish Americans and citizens of Turkey who are working to introduce a true democracy in that country, so that it can be integrated into the European Union. True democratic values and traditions are trampled over and destroyed in Turkey by our desire to accommodate bases for our troops, airfields for our warplanes, and contracts for our multinational corporations.

Finally, how would you feel if our past secretary of states told Dr. Martin Luther King and all the civil rights advocates “I think that these historical circumstances require a very detailed and sober look from historians and what we’ve encouraged the ‘Slave Traders’ and the ‘Negroes’ to do is to have joint historical commissions that can look at this, to have efforts to examine their past and, in examining their past, to get over their past”. I took the liberty to replace ‘Turks’ and the ‘Armenians’ with my example, but you can replace with other pairs, such as: Germans and the Jews, Serbs and Kosovars, Americans and Natives, etc.

Thank God that we still have courageous lawmakers on both sides of the isle to question your reasoning on this issue. Your choice of words “I come out of academia, but I’m secretary of state now,” I suppose this is meant to say that you used to be a decent human being when you were in academia, but now that you work for this administration you have to leave moral courage, decency, and common sense behind you.

May God give you the wisdom to do the right thing.

Sincerely,

Now , back to the topic at hand , this is a welcome , much needed move by the ADL . This will help deter happenings like Darfur and future genocides.The message must be sent to all perpetrators of genocide that history( and the free world ) will indeed judge you and punish you . There will be no indemnity no place to hide.

Also, let’s not forget that the man who coined the term, Raphael Lemkin, was inspired by the Armenian and Jewish cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_Tribunals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Calamity