Comments on: Poll Update: Giuliani moves ahead of Thompson http://www.bloggernews.net/19432 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:22:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: John http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75228 John Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:17:58 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75228 I think the reason people are turned off by Mormanism is because while all religions have outlandish tales in them, and are taken literally or symbolically by their followers the outlandish tales in the book of Morman have no reasonable defence. A Christian, however misguided he may be, can at least look to historians and see that most agree that Jesus Christ was a real person and that the early church's leaders were real historical figures. The country ( Palestine)is real , the towns ( Jurusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth) are real , the Empire in power ( Roman) real , the leaders ( pontius pilot, the chief priests) were real historical figures. The early church had real bishops, real church councils and a real history, all recorded by real historians of various faiths. The miracles are unlikely but Christian apologetics has put forth some strong arguments. Mormanism has no defence. Magic glasses?, Egyptian script on tablets found in upstate New York? An ancient American civization that Jesus appeared in? Native americans the lost tribe of Israel? The Christian church vanishing ( apparently Justin Martyr, the early Popes,Augustine, Aquinas simply didnt exist) after a mere generation to reappear 1800 years later in New York? Come on!! Any religious belief kind of scares me, but their claims are outrageous and 100% fabricated. Belief in that nonsense is fair game. Christians should be asked to defend their beliefs too. Christians are actually required by the bible to learn how to defend their faith. I think the reason people are turned off by Mormanism is because while all religions have outlandish tales in them, and are taken literally or symbolically by their followers the outlandish tales in the book of Morman have no reasonable defence. A Christian, however misguided he may be, can at least look to historians and see that most agree that Jesus Christ was a real person and that the early church’s leaders were real historical figures. The country ( Palestine)is real , the towns ( Jurusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth) are real , the Empire in power ( Roman) real , the leaders ( pontius pilot, the chief priests) were real historical figures. The early church had real bishops, real church councils and a real history, all recorded by real historians of various faiths. The miracles are unlikely but Christian apologetics has put forth some strong arguments. Mormanism has no defence. Magic glasses?, Egyptian script on tablets found in upstate New York? An ancient American civization that Jesus appeared in? Native americans the lost tribe of Israel? The Christian church vanishing ( apparently Justin Martyr, the early Popes,Augustine, Aquinas simply didnt exist) after a mere generation to reappear 1800 years later in New York? Come on!! Any religious belief kind of scares me, but their claims are outrageous and 100% fabricated. Belief in that nonsense is fair game. Christians should be asked to defend their beliefs too. Christians are actually required by the bible to learn how to defend their faith.

]]> By: Samantha http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75227 Samantha Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:57:00 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75227 Please -- another Thompson supporter morphing into a pretzel. You obviously have not been paying close attention to all the articles on Fred are out there including the one today and also the fact his wife was not some big political consultant before meeting Fred but now running a campaign. BTW, where has Fred been this week and most of last week? Sitting at home in his rocker waiting for wife to tell him what to do next? You people slay me that pay attention to any poll of Rasmussen -- guess you have short memories about his polls in FL. Please — another Thompson supporter morphing into a pretzel. You obviously have not been paying close attention to all the articles on Fred are out there including the one today and also the fact his wife was not some big political consultant before meeting Fred but now running a campaign. BTW, where has Fred been this week and most of last week? Sitting at home in his rocker waiting for wife to tell him what to do next?

You people slay me that pay attention to any poll of Rasmussen — guess you have short memories about his polls in FL.

]]> By: John http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75225 John Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:51:33 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75225 Thompson really hasnt been in the public eye at all. There was some media attention to controversies around his past positions but he hasnt been in the debates,doesnt have any tv ads yet and didnt participate in the Iowa straw poll which was all about Romney and Huckabee. The reason is obviously because he isnt an official candidate yet. Once he announces, then we will see him a lot more because he will be participating in the debates, running tv ads etc.. Most Americans are not really paying attention to the race at the moment. I think it is a good decision to stay out until Labour day. Rudy is polling around 30%, but that means 70% support someone else, and someone else more conservative than Rudy. Once they drop out I'll bet more republicans go to Thompson then Rudy, once Thompson is seen as a serious candidate. Thompson really hasnt been in the public eye at all. There was some media attention to controversies around his past positions but he hasnt been in the debates,doesnt have any tv ads yet and didnt participate in the Iowa straw poll which was all about Romney and Huckabee. The reason is obviously because he isnt an official candidate yet. Once he announces, then we will see him a lot more because he will be participating in the debates, running tv ads etc.. Most Americans are not really paying attention to the race at the moment. I think it is a good decision to stay out until Labour day. Rudy is polling around 30%, but that means 70% support someone else, and someone else more conservative than Rudy. Once they drop out I’ll bet more republicans go to Thompson then Rudy, once Thompson is seen as a serious candidate.

]]> By: Jason Easley http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75220 Jason Easley Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:41:46 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75220 Tracy Hall Jr, I suggest you look at the Republican Party for your source of bigotry, and stop jumping to conclusions about people you don't even know. All I did was tell the truth of what is going on here. I didn't say anything my personal feelings towards his faith, which I already said I could care less. When you look at what Romney is saying and doing on the campaign trail there is no reason for him to be struggling like this. Republicans won't admit it, but his religion is the reason. Go read some message boards, and see how people post things saying that their party will never support a Mormon. It is a disgrace, but it is the political reality Romney is facing. Tracy Hall Jr, I suggest you look at the Republican Party for your source of bigotry, and stop jumping to conclusions about people you don’t even know. All I did was tell the truth of what is going on here. I didn’t say anything my personal feelings towards his faith, which I already said I could care less. When you look at what Romney is saying and doing on the campaign trail there is no reason for him to be struggling like this. Republicans won’t admit it, but his religion is the reason. Go read some message boards, and see how people post things saying that their party will never support a Mormon. It is a disgrace, but it is the political reality Romney is facing.

]]> By: Jason Easley http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75214 Jason Easley Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:36:10 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75214 I don't care of Mitt is a Mormon or a member of any other faith. The cold hard reality is that Christian social conservatives are staying away from Romney in droves because of his faith. If Romney was a Christian he would be closer to the top. Everyone can say the PC thing and avoid the topic, but the ugly truth is Romney's faith will keep him from the nomination, and that is just sad. I don’t care of Mitt is a Mormon or a member of any other faith. The cold hard reality is that Christian social conservatives are staying away from Romney in droves because of his faith. If Romney was a Christian he would be closer to the top. Everyone can say the PC thing and avoid the topic, but the ugly truth is Romney’s faith will keep him from the nomination, and that is just sad.

]]> By: Carson http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75169 Carson Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:07 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75169 I am proud to be an American when I see the way the Iowa straw poll seemed to cut through some of the hype created by the media that was in favor of the over financed candidates. Back about 1915 or so we had a politician named Woodrow Wilson that accepted a bribe to create the Federal Reserve. They were a group of very powerful bankers and businessmen from around the world at the time. Through the monopoly of being the source of our money and by being outside of our government, or paying any taxes, they have built up a fortune that, I believe, includes owning most of the politicians of the world. It is going to take a determined, We the People, to restore law and order in our government before we can restore law and order in our streets. "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson I am proud to be an American when I see the way the Iowa straw poll seemed to cut through some of the hype created by the media that was in favor of the over financed candidates.

Back about 1915 or so we had a politician named Woodrow Wilson that accepted a bribe to create the Federal Reserve. They were a group of very powerful bankers and businessmen from around the world at the time. Through the monopoly of being the source of our money and by being outside of our government, or paying any taxes, they have built up a fortune that, I believe, includes owning most of the politicians of the world.

It is going to take a determined, We the People, to restore law and order in our government before we can restore law and order in our streets.

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

-Woodrow Wilson

]]> By: Tracy Hall Jr http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75153 Tracy Hall Jr Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:17:54 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/19432#comment-75153 "Commenters are asked to refrain from personal attacks, insults . . ." But as for the blogger, evidently anything goes! "Even Mitt Romney’s wealth can’t cover up the fact that he is Mormon." Wow, a personal attack and an insult in one phrase! But I'm confused. Which is worse -- to be wealthy, or to be a Mormon? Jason Easley, please enlighten us wannabe bigots who look to you for our role model! Tracy Hall Jr hthalljr'gmail'com “Commenters are asked to refrain from personal attacks, insults . . .”

But as for the blogger, evidently anything goes!

“Even Mitt Romney’s wealth can’t cover up the fact that he is Mormon.”

Wow, a personal attack and an insult in one phrase! But I’m confused. Which is worse — to be wealthy, or to be a Mormon? Jason Easley, please enlighten us wannabe bigots who look to you for our role model!

Tracy Hall Jr
hthalljr’gmail’com

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