Comments on: Catholic Church only true church, Vatican says???? http://www.bloggernews.net/18529 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:54:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Dave Minnich http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-429716 Dave Minnich Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:19:12 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-429716 >What the Pope is saying is that the Catholic >Church has the fullness of the faith, in other >words the whole pie. For example, other >Christian religions have a piece, or a part of >the true faith. That’s the Pope’s opinion, not substantiated by scripture; most Christians agree that much of the “Catholic” (read: Roman) church has little to do with Christianity. >For example all Christian religions have the >Sacrament of Baptism, but do not have all >seven sacraments The seven sacraments are one of many non-scriptural “add-ons” the Roman Church has thrown on its take of Christianity through the centuries. Other such add-ons include veneration of Mary, celibacy of the priesthood, and lengthy rote prayer. >When the Protestants broke away from the >Church, they lost many direct ways to >salvation, the ones established by Christ, >when he made St. Peter the head of the Church, >the Catholic Church. Jesus did not establish many of the Roman Church’s “ways of salvation” such as indulgences (“selling” salvation). >It was the only existing Christian Church for >1000 years, until the Orthodox faith broke >away, because of a dispute over the true Pope. Actually, there were several different branches of Christianity up until the Roman Church partnered up with the ruling classes. BTW, having a pope is not a Christian concept. >There was no other Christian Church until the >1500’s when Luther broke away. You contradict yourself – see above >The Roman Catholic Church is the only >Christian Church that was in existance (sic) >back to the time of Christ! Christ established >the Catholic Church , and the Papacy and >priesthood No he didn’t, he established Christianity, which has nothing to do with the Papacy and Priesthood of the Roman Church. >whatever they loose on earth shall be loosed >in heaven, and whatever they bind on earth, >shall be bound in heaven, so being a devout >Catholic is the most direct route to salvation! Faith in Christ through grace is the only route to salvation; the Roman Church has little to do with this. >and he promised that the gates of hell will >not prevail against it, that is why it is >still so strong 2000 years later! The Roman Church would have died of its own corruption had not the Orthodox and Protestants broken away. The Great Schism and The Reformation are the only reasons that the Roman Church ending its most heretical practices. >What the Pope is saying is that the Catholic >Church has the fullness of the faith, in other >words the whole pie. For example, other >Christian religions have a piece, or a part of >the true faith.
That’s the Pope’s opinion, not substantiated by scripture; most Christians agree that much of the “Catholic” (read: Roman) church has little to do with Christianity.
>For example all Christian religions have the >Sacrament of Baptism, but do not have all >seven sacraments
The seven sacraments are one of many non-scriptural “add-ons” the Roman Church has thrown on its take of Christianity through the centuries. Other such add-ons include veneration of Mary, celibacy of the priesthood, and lengthy rote prayer.
>When the Protestants broke away from the >Church, they lost many direct ways to >salvation, the ones established by Christ, >when he made St. Peter the head of the Church, >the Catholic Church.
Jesus did not establish many of the Roman Church’s “ways of salvation” such as indulgences (“selling” salvation).
>It was the only existing Christian Church for >1000 years, until the Orthodox faith broke >away, because of a dispute over the true Pope.
Actually, there were several different branches of Christianity up until the Roman Church partnered up with the ruling classes. BTW, having a pope is not a Christian concept.
>There was no other Christian Church until the >1500’s when Luther broke away.
You contradict yourself – see above
>The Roman Catholic Church is the only >Christian Church that was in existance (sic) >back to the time of Christ! Christ established >the Catholic Church , and the Papacy and >priesthood
No he didn’t, he established Christianity, which has nothing to do with the Papacy and Priesthood of the Roman Church.
>whatever they loose on earth shall be loosed >in heaven, and whatever they bind on earth, >shall be bound in heaven, so being a devout >Catholic is the most direct route to salvation!
Faith in Christ through grace is the only route to salvation; the Roman Church has little to do with this.

>and he promised that the gates of hell will >not prevail against it, that is why it is >still so strong 2000 years later!
The Roman Church would have died of its own corruption had not the Orthodox and Protestants broken away. The Great Schism and The Reformation are the only reasons that the Roman Church ending its most heretical practices.

]]> By: Greg Krohm http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-61233 Greg Krohm Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:55:47 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-61233 This post was hateful and ill-informed. The reference to the pope's association with Nazi Germany was the first tip off (he was forced to serve for about a year in the Hitler youth in an anti aircraft battery). He is very misinformed on the purpose of the extension of permission to say the Latin Mass. Benedict is a wise and very tolerant man. He has to be to endure the cheap shots of the Islamists and bloggers like this commentator. This post was hateful and ill-informed. The reference to the pope’s association with Nazi Germany was the first tip off (he was forced to serve for about a year in the Hitler youth in an anti aircraft battery). He is very misinformed on the purpose of the extension of permission to say the Latin Mass. Benedict is a wise and very tolerant man. He has to be to endure the cheap shots of the Islamists and bloggers like this commentator.

]]> By: Devout Catholic http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-59478 Devout Catholic Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:02:52 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-59478 What the Pope is saying is that the Catholic Church has the fullness of the faith, in other words the whole pie. For example, other Christian religions have a piece, or a part of the true faith. For example all Christian religions have the Sacrament of Baptism, but do not have all seven sacraments. When the Protestants broke away from the Church, they lost many direct ways to salvation, the ones established by Christ, when he made St. Peter the head of the Church, the Catholic Church. It was the only existing Christian Church for 1000 years, until the Orthodox faith broke away, because of a dispute over the true Pope. There was no other Christian Church until the 1500's when Luther broke away. The Roman Catholic Church is the only Christian Church that was in existance back to the time of Christ! Christ established the Catholic Church, and the Papacy and priesthood, whatever they loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, and whatever they bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven, so being a devout Catholic is the most direct route to salvation! and he promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it, that is why it is still so strong 2000 years later! What the Pope is saying is that the Catholic Church has the fullness of the faith, in other words the whole pie. For example, other Christian religions have a piece, or a part of the true faith. For example all Christian religions have the Sacrament of Baptism, but do not have all seven sacraments. When the Protestants broke away from the Church, they lost many direct ways to salvation, the ones established by Christ, when he made St. Peter the head of the Church, the Catholic Church. It was the only existing Christian Church for 1000 years, until the Orthodox faith broke away, because of a dispute over the true Pope. There was no other Christian Church until the 1500’s when Luther broke away. The Roman Catholic Church is the only Christian Church that was in existance back to the time of Christ! Christ established the Catholic Church, and the Papacy and priesthood, whatever they loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, and whatever they bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven, so being a devout Catholic is the most direct route to salvation!
and he promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it, that is why it is still so strong 2000 years later!

]]> By: hjmn4566 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-59248 hjmn4566 Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:00:18 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-59248 We all have the right to express our theological opinion. I am thankful to our American manner of religious freedom and freedom of expression. However personal attacks against Catholic theology and papal hierarchy are off the mark, and not especially welcome to this Catholic faithful believer. My suggestion and thoughts are that the development of the current understanding of the Church's appreciation is again a restatement of the Vatican II teachings of Lumen Gentium, and Gaudium et Spes...namely that there are degrees of proper participation within the theological Body of Christ, and that all faiths share in the development of proper revelation by the Deity. That seems to be true of the recent declaration from the Vatican as well. Our Catholic beliefs are truly inclusive of all religious observations. Catholicsim does not corner the market on salvation. However, we do persist in the belief that our manner and expression of religious worship is divinely instituted by Christ. It seems that the declaration does nothing more than restate the consistent teachings of the Church since the Council of Jerusalem regarding Christological entrusting to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. The path to theological realization and personal acceptance of the Supreme Deity offers many directions. The Catholic Church is again using the teaching authority it maintains to theologically "proclaim" the long held and traditional beliefs that have been present in Catholicism since Apostolic times. A historical perspective to the history of Church councils, as well as a basic appreciation of the Protestant Reformation in light of the Council of Trent would be a clear understanding of this never changed restatement of Church teaching. We all have the right to express our theological opinion. I am thankful to our American manner of religious freedom and freedom of expression. However personal attacks against Catholic theology and papal hierarchy are off the mark, and not especially welcome to this Catholic faithful believer. My suggestion and thoughts are that the development of the current understanding of the Church’s appreciation is again a restatement of the Vatican II teachings of Lumen Gentium, and Gaudium et Spes…namely that there are degrees of proper participation within the theological Body of Christ, and that all faiths share in the development of proper revelation by the Deity. That seems to be true of the recent declaration from the Vatican as well. Our Catholic beliefs are truly inclusive of all religious observations. Catholicsim does not corner the market on salvation. However, we do persist in the belief that our manner and expression of religious worship is divinely instituted by Christ. It seems that the declaration does nothing more than restate the consistent teachings of the Church since the Council of Jerusalem regarding Christological entrusting to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
The path to theological realization and personal acceptance of the Supreme Deity offers many directions. The Catholic Church is again using the teaching authority it maintains to theologically “proclaim” the long held and traditional beliefs that have been present in Catholicism since Apostolic times.
A historical perspective to the history of Church councils, as well as a basic appreciation of the Protestant Reformation in light of the Council of Trent would be a clear understanding of this never changed restatement of Church teaching.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-59133 Andrew Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:23:37 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-59133 The leopard doesn't change it's spots. After a bloody history of trials, torture, and executions such as the crimes of the Inquisition, the denial of people to even have scripture in their own language, the vicious murder of Godly men who merely published the word of God, the more things change, the less they change. I am a Protestant, grown to be non-denominational. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord. It is by the grace of God, through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ we have salvation. I and all others who likewise believe are the true church of Jesus Christ on earth, regardless denominational affiliation. Those with the Holy Spirit, in Jesus Christ, are the only church. The church is the body of believers in Jesus Christ, not some man or group of men in Halloween costumes, chanting in some dead language, not some dome in Rome. The church is the body of Jesus Christ, not the body of Rome. This is the truth. This is the gospel. I have always known and now know I do not need Pope Rat, the Catholic Church, Latin masses, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam, to have eternal life, that salvation is through Jesus Christ, not some man running around in a bizarre robe out of the Dark Ages, proclaiming he has a lock on truth that somehow supercedes Jesus and all the apostles, head of a church that has largely been doing the work of Satan throughout it's long and sordid history. The Pope and the Catholic Church have merely affirmed their lifelong irrelevance to me and persistent, dangerous ambitions that have been the framework of a vile institution, doing the work of the devil and responsible for the murder of millions that can, in no way, shape, or form, be remotely attributed to the work of Christ. I can live fine without that, thank you. The leopard doesn’t change it’s spots. After a bloody history of trials, torture, and executions such as the crimes of the Inquisition, the denial of people to even have scripture in their own language, the vicious murder of Godly men who merely published the word of God, the more things change, the less they change. I am a Protestant, grown to be non-denominational. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord. It is by the grace of God, through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ we have salvation. I and all others who likewise believe are the true church of Jesus Christ on earth, regardless denominational affiliation. Those with the Holy Spirit, in Jesus Christ, are the only church. The church is the body of believers in Jesus Christ, not some man or group of men in Halloween costumes, chanting in some dead language, not some dome in Rome. The church is the body of Jesus Christ, not the body of Rome. This is the truth. This is the gospel. I have always known and now know I do not need Pope Rat, the Catholic Church, Latin masses, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam, to have eternal life, that salvation is through Jesus Christ, not some man running around in a bizarre robe out of the Dark Ages, proclaiming he has a lock on truth that somehow supercedes Jesus and all the apostles, head of a church that has largely been doing the work of Satan throughout it’s long and sordid history. The Pope and the Catholic Church have merely affirmed their lifelong irrelevance to me and persistent, dangerous ambitions that have been the framework of a vile institution, doing the work of the devil and responsible for the murder of millions that can, in no way, shape, or form, be remotely attributed to the work of Christ. I can live fine without that, thank you.

]]> By: Rodrigo http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58838 Rodrigo Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:59:44 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58838 This post is ignorant and stupid. When you say that you studied theology for three years, is that your way of saying that you were forced to go to Sunday school? This post is ignorant and stupid. When you say that you studied theology for three years, is that your way of saying that you were forced to go to Sunday school?

]]> By: Karen http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58649 Karen Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:11:53 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58649 A link to the actual document would be helpful. Or did I miss it? A link to the actual document would be helpful. Or did I miss it?

]]> By: Malka http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58516 Malka Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:07:12 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58516 I am no fan of the church of Rome, but although some of statements have a great deal of validity, the poster greatly undermines his own credibility by getting the pope's name wrong. It's Benedict XVI, not Alexander. I am no fan of the church of Rome, but although some of statements have a great deal of validity, the poster greatly undermines his own credibility by getting the pope’s name wrong. It’s Benedict XVI, not Alexander.

]]> By: Charlie http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58153 Charlie Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:34:10 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58153 The blogger has a lot of anger to express -just did it poorly it is a very strange statement and all but ends what was at least some encouraging dialog between Roman catholics and Orthodox and Anglicans (although they are not helping themselves) The Pope is a Zealot not different from a lot of evangelicals-he is appealing to the Catholic core- (probably 25% or so and this group is aging rapidly) Opus Dei-the Amazon Native Tribes "pining for the faith"-the Latin Mass return-now this-typical statement from a Zealot-if you want to see the catholic core watch EWTN the Church is struggling in America this will not help MC The blogger has a lot of anger to express -just did it poorly
it is a very strange statement and all but ends what was at least some encouraging dialog between Roman catholics and Orthodox and Anglicans (although they are not helping themselves)
The Pope is a Zealot not different from a lot of evangelicals-he is appealing to the Catholic core- (probably 25% or so and this group is aging rapidly)
Opus Dei-the Amazon Native Tribes “pining for the faith”-the Latin Mass return-now this-typical statement from a Zealot-if you want to see the catholic core watch EWTN
the Church is struggling in America
this will not help
MC

]]> By: Dan http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58109 Dan Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:08:40 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/18529#comment-58109 "Commenters are asked to refrain from personal attacks, insults, or profane language." This rule obviously does not apply to the blogger himself. “Commenters are asked to refrain from personal attacks, insults, or profane language.” This rule obviously does not apply to the blogger himself.

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