Comments on: Rosie the non riveter: the delusions of 911 “truthers” http://www.bloggernews.net/16807 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:57:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Eric M http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-29915 Eric M Fri, 25 May 2007 03:49:39 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-29915 Does Rosie know anything about what????!!! Well, the first thing to look at here is the steel core in the center of the towers it was made up of heat stress tested steel 47 beams cased in concrete also. This "construction" was connected to the floors only horizontally and diagonally by trusses, nothing went through to put weight on the core. Essentially the core should have been standing after such a thing. History Channel ran a show called WTC Modern Marvel they showed the building in a cartoon diagram having no core. Defying reality. They had to, they know any science agrees with what I just said. Second is the lack of evidence of such a fire the 911 debunkers mention. If you look at the towers while they are burning you see no fire in the windows almost anywhere. If you read the firemen cummunication transcripts (public information since 2004. Dont know why hesiticeny of realease on those as the pentagon camera footage but...) you hear them saying they "have the fire isolated to 2 or 3 areas and needing only a couple of lines to knock it down." You must remember the elaborate sprinkler system installed , and the sealed elevators, one thousand feet of shaft down in a 1300 ft building, sealed, no ozygen for a fire in the basement of any caliber needed to even back the debunkers up. Lastly the explosions were reported in the NY Times, People Magazine, NBC, CNN and many more they were run that day, or the day after, and were forgotten. They were never explained please explain them. The 911 commission didnt. DUDE I NEED A BREAK PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT TEMPERATURES ON BOLTS AND COMPARING IT TO GIANT BEAM CONSTRUCTIONS GOT ME TIRED!!! Does Rosie know anything about what????!!! Well, the first thing to look at here is the steel core in the center of the towers it was made up of heat stress tested steel 47 beams cased in concrete also. This “construction” was connected to the floors only horizontally and diagonally by trusses, nothing went through to put weight on the core.
Essentially the core should have been standing after such a thing. History Channel ran a show called WTC Modern Marvel they showed the building in a cartoon diagram having no core. Defying reality. They had to, they know any science agrees with what I just said.
Second is the lack of evidence of such a fire the 911 debunkers mention. If you look at the towers while they are burning you see no fire in the windows almost anywhere. If you read the firemen cummunication transcripts (public information since 2004. Dont know why hesiticeny of realease on those as the pentagon camera footage but…) you hear them saying they “have the fire isolated to 2 or 3 areas and needing only a couple of lines to knock it down.” You must remember the elaborate sprinkler system installed , and the sealed elevators, one thousand feet of shaft down in a 1300 ft building, sealed, no ozygen for a fire in the basement of any caliber needed to even back the debunkers up.
Lastly the explosions were reported in the NY Times, People Magazine, NBC, CNN and many more they were run that day, or the day after, and were forgotten. They were never explained please explain them. The 911 commission didnt.

DUDE I NEED A BREAK PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT TEMPERATURES ON BOLTS AND COMPARING IT TO GIANT BEAM CONSTRUCTIONS GOT ME TIRED!!!

]]> By: geoff http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-27172 geoff Sun, 20 May 2007 04:05:39 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-27172 So basically this report says that DUST knocked down a 47 storey re-inforced steel frame building perfectly. Mmmm, okay. Who cares what Rosie says, she is not an authority on anything, and neither is popular mechanics. I have a few questions of my own; Why didn't the FAA do a full crash investigation and reconstruct the planes like they have done in every other crash, hijack or not. Why didn't the NTSB do one? Why didn't the local and state authorities do a full criminal investigation? Why did it take so long for the 911 (whitewash) comission to be setup? Why did the EPA say the air was safe when it wasn't? Why did all mainstream media pin the attack on Bin Laden immediately? Why did the secret service not rush the president out of the school (where everyone knew he was) to safety? Why is it that all supporters of the official conspiracy theory flock to popular mechanics for their "empirical evidence", could it be because homeland security director Chertoff's cousin runs it? Or is it because PM's parent company, Hearst publishing has a history of working with the cia to distribute disinfo? Or is it because they are the only people in the world who continue to espouse the official fable in the face of all evidence to the contrary? Why was none of the wreckage from any of the three buildings subjected to analysis as part of criminal investigation? Why did Guiliani have it all shipped to the "fresh kills" landfill instead? Why did Guiliani abandon his very expensive bomb-proof emergency operation center located in wtc7? Who told him it ws coming down? Why were all those people warned to get back just before it fell, how did they know? Why did CNN and BBC report that it had fallen well before it did? Why did pools of liquid metal remain for weeks under the rubble piles of wtc1 2 and 7? (There is much testimony and video of this fact so don't even try to deny it.) How did all three buildings collapse completely in near free-fall speed when they were ninety percent intact? How were those impossible cell phone calls made from the planes? How did inexperienced pilots fly so perfectly? Why were none of the planes (officially) intercepted? Why did none of the pilots hit the panic button or call for help when the planes were being taken over? Why did Rumsfeld choose september 10 2001 to announce that TRILLIONS of dollars were unaccounted for at the pentagon? Why did the security contract at the WTC (held by a company with Marvin Bush on the board of directors) end on september 10 2001? Why was there a power-down of the buildings the weekend before the attack? Why have only 2 crappy videos been released from the pentagon crash when there are hundreds of cameras all over that building? Why wont they release the dozen videos of the OKC Murrah building bombing? Why has the Anthrax investigation disappeared when we know it came from Fort Dietrich, it should be easy to narrow down who did it? Why is America (and most other countries in the world) run by criminals? Because people dont ask enough questions. So basically this report says that DUST knocked down a 47 storey re-inforced steel frame building perfectly. Mmmm, okay.

Who cares what Rosie says, she is not an authority on anything, and neither is popular mechanics.

I have a few questions of my own;

Why didn’t the FAA do a full crash investigation and reconstruct the planes like they have done in every other crash, hijack or not. Why didn’t the NTSB do one? Why didn’t the local and state authorities do a full criminal investigation? Why did it take so long for the 911 (whitewash) comission to be setup? Why did the EPA say the air was safe when it wasn’t? Why did all mainstream media pin the attack on Bin Laden immediately? Why did the secret service not rush the president out of the school (where everyone knew he was) to safety?
Why is it that all supporters of the official conspiracy theory flock to popular mechanics for their “empirical evidence”, could it be because homeland security director Chertoff’s cousin runs it? Or is it because PM’s parent company, Hearst publishing has a history of working with the cia to distribute disinfo? Or is it because they are the only people in the world who continue to espouse the official fable in the face of all evidence to the contrary? Why was none of the wreckage from any of the three buildings subjected to analysis as part of criminal investigation? Why did Guiliani have it all shipped to the “fresh kills” landfill instead? Why did Guiliani abandon his very expensive bomb-proof emergency operation center located in wtc7? Who told him it ws coming down? Why were all those people warned to get back just before it fell, how did they know? Why did CNN and BBC report that it had fallen well before it did? Why did pools of liquid metal remain for weeks under the rubble piles of wtc1 2 and 7? (There is much testimony and video of this fact so don’t even try to deny it.)
How did all three buildings collapse completely in near free-fall speed when they were ninety percent intact?
How were those impossible cell phone calls made from the planes? How did inexperienced pilots fly so perfectly? Why were none of the planes (officially) intercepted? Why did none of the pilots hit the panic button or call for help when the planes were being taken over? Why did Rumsfeld choose september 10 2001 to announce that TRILLIONS of dollars were unaccounted for at the pentagon? Why did the security contract at the WTC (held by a company with Marvin Bush on the board of directors) end on september 10 2001? Why was there a power-down of the buildings the weekend before the attack? Why have only 2 crappy videos been released from the pentagon crash when there are hundreds of cameras all over that building? Why wont they release the dozen videos of the OKC Murrah building bombing? Why has the Anthrax investigation disappeared when we know it came from Fort Dietrich, it should be easy to narrow down who did it? Why is America (and most other countries in the world) run by criminals? Because people dont ask enough questions.

]]> By: bill http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-26401 bill Fri, 18 May 2007 18:18:37 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-26401 No reasonable person can watch the fall of WTC-7 and not be left with serious questions. We need a new, independent, unbiased 9/11 investigation managed by intelligent investigators who embody a healthy dose of curiosity and investigative spirit. No reasonable person can watch the fall of WTC-7 and not be left with serious questions. We need a new, independent, unbiased 9/11 investigation managed by intelligent investigators who embody a healthy dose of curiosity and investigative spirit.

]]> By: Anthony http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25942 Anthony Thu, 17 May 2007 22:44:24 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25942 Firstly Mary Mac, the owner of the World Trade Center complex Larry Silverstien has admitted that it came down in a controlled demolition as a result of damage to the building. He said they "pulled it" in order to prevent its collapse at a unpredictable time. Now.... If you go to Controlled Demolitions Incorporated's site, you will see that the fastest any building has ever been "pulled" for emergency purposes was done in 90+ hours. WTC7 came down 3 hours after the collapse of the first two towers, and approx 4 hours after the initial attacks. So... It is obvious that the math does not add up. In order for them to have pulled the building in such an orderly fashion so quickly, they would have needed at least 5 days. Do you really believe that they placed mathmatically accurate demolitions in 4 hours time during the greatest most shocking event to ever occur in US history? Maybe? maybe not. Firstly Mary Mac, the owner of the World Trade Center complex Larry Silverstien has admitted that it came down in a controlled demolition as a result of damage to the building. He said they “pulled it” in order to prevent its collapse at a unpredictable time.

Now….

If you go to Controlled Demolitions Incorporated’s site, you will see that the fastest any building has ever been “pulled” for emergency purposes was done in 90+ hours. WTC7 came down 3 hours after the collapse of the first two towers, and approx 4 hours after the initial attacks.

So…

It is obvious that the math does not add up. In order for them to have pulled the building in such an orderly fashion so quickly, they would have needed at least 5 days. Do you really believe that they placed mathmatically accurate demolitions in 4 hours time during the greatest most shocking event to ever occur in US history?

Maybe? maybe not.

]]> By: Mary MacElveen http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25740 Mary MacElveen Thu, 17 May 2007 15:18:43 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25740 Whoever wrote the above essay directed at Rosie O'Donnell deserves a medal for saying what many are beginning to believe. Yes, at one time I believed in these conspiracy theories. It was not until I started doing my own homework and by not following the pack of these conspiracy theorists that I came to a different conclusion. Even Ron Paul of Texas correctly labeled 9/11 a blow back coming from our foreign policy blunders over the years. Now that I will believe in. I have been taking Rosie and these conspiracy theorists to task on my blog http://www.marymacelveen.com and much to the dismay of others that believe as she does. To confront Rosie, I have a source within Controlled Demolitions Incorporated who has been helping me understand the science of controlled demolitions and according to my source those buildings meaning Twin Towers One and Two along with Building 7 did NOT come down as a result of any controlled demolition. I will believe my source over Rosie O'Donnell any day of the week since CDI (Controlled Demolitions Incorporated) have been taking down buildings through this process for over 50 years. Just go away, Rosie! Sincerely, Mary MacElveen! Whoever wrote the above essay directed at Rosie O’Donnell deserves a medal for saying what many are beginning to believe. Yes, at one time I believed in these conspiracy theories. It was not until I started doing my own homework and by not following the pack of these conspiracy theorists that I came to a different conclusion. Even Ron Paul of Texas correctly labeled 9/11 a blow back coming from our foreign policy blunders over the years. Now that I will believe in.

I have been taking Rosie and these conspiracy theorists to task on my blog http://www.marymacelveen.com and much to the dismay of others that believe as she does. To confront Rosie, I have a source within Controlled Demolitions Incorporated who has been helping me understand the science of controlled demolitions and according to my source those buildings meaning Twin Towers One and Two along with Building 7 did NOT come down as a result of any controlled demolition. I will believe my source over Rosie O’Donnell any day of the week since CDI (Controlled Demolitions Incorporated) have been taking down buildings through this process for over 50 years.

Just go away, Rosie!

Sincerely,
Mary MacElveen!

]]> By: Ed Haslam http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25653 Ed Haslam Thu, 17 May 2007 12:20:32 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25653 The contamination of the 1950s polio vaccine is a serious public health problem which deserves discussion outside the context of allegations of paranoia and debunking. There were dozens of monkey viruses contaminating both the Salk and Sabin vaccine, including SV-40 and SIV (the ancestor of HIV). The carefully document book THE VIRUS AND THE VACCINE examines the subject in detail from a mainstream journalistic perspective. There were so many monkey viruses in the polio vaccine, that the Scandanavians refused to administer the vaccine to their populations. Internationally renouned DNA expert Michele Carbone (working with the NCI) has called SV-40 "the most carcinogenic" entity they have ever discovered. And the NCI's own statistics show an epidemic of soft tissue cancers which errupted after the release of the polio vaccine, appearing in the statistics as the children of the 1950s reached mature adulthood. If there is a quid-pro-quo connection between these the polio vaccine and epidemic of soft tissue cancers which has errupted since then, then we traded 15 cases of cancer for every case of polio. The contamination of the polio was a mistake, not a conspiracy. But to pretend that it did not happen because it is inconvenient to those accountable or because it does not fit in with the political agenda of the grant mill is not in the public interest. The contamination of the 1950s polio vaccine is a serious public health problem which deserves discussion outside the context of allegations of paranoia and debunking. There were dozens of monkey viruses contaminating both the Salk and Sabin vaccine, including SV-40 and SIV (the ancestor of HIV). The carefully document book THE VIRUS AND THE VACCINE examines the subject in detail from a mainstream journalistic perspective. There were so many monkey viruses in the polio vaccine, that the Scandanavians refused to administer the vaccine to their populations. Internationally renouned DNA expert Michele Carbone (working with the NCI) has called SV-40 “the most carcinogenic” entity they have ever discovered. And the NCI’s own statistics show an epidemic of soft tissue cancers which errupted after the release of the polio vaccine, appearing in the statistics as the children of the 1950s reached mature adulthood. If there is a quid-pro-quo connection between these the polio vaccine and epidemic of soft tissue cancers which has errupted since then, then we traded 15 cases of cancer for every case of polio. The contamination of the polio was a mistake, not a conspiracy. But to pretend that it did not happen because it is inconvenient to those accountable or because it does not fit in with the political agenda of the grant mill is not in the public interest.

]]> By: John Pangia http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25602 John Pangia Thu, 17 May 2007 10:04:29 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25602 A typical jumbo jet travelling at 350 mph will traverse that 50 miles in about 8 minutes, so you're right, they had advance warning, they knew about it ahead of time. I'm convinced... A typical jumbo jet travelling at 350 mph will traverse that 50 miles in about 8 minutes, so you’re right, they had advance warning, they knew about it ahead of time. I’m convinced…

]]> By: David Slesinger http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25382 David Slesinger Wed, 16 May 2007 23:57:17 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25382 My email is dslesinger@alum.mit.edu for purposes of correspondence My email is dslesinger@alum.mit.edu for purposes of correspondence

]]> By: David Slesinger http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25381 David Slesinger Wed, 16 May 2007 23:54:56 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25381 The fact that the good doctor attacks O'Donnell personally weakens her agrument. I am happy to converse with anyone who wishes to argue 911 was not an inside job, if they will stick to the evidence and be polite. For anyone who wishes to take on our best evidence, you need to respond to David Ray Griffin's recent book Debunking 911 Debunking. If you want easy evidence, then google: Mineta 911 testimony. Then watch the then secretary of transportation testify that VP Cheney was warned a plane was approaching the pentagon when it was 50 miles away. I fear that most Americans don't have the courage to have a civil discussion of this issue. If that is so, we may be destined for decades of brutal tyranny. I hope I'm wrong. The fact that the good doctor attacks O’Donnell personally weakens her agrument. I am happy to converse with anyone who wishes to argue 911 was not an inside job, if they will stick to the evidence and be polite. For anyone who wishes to take on our best evidence, you need to respond to David Ray Griffin’s recent book Debunking 911 Debunking.

If you want easy evidence, then google: Mineta 911 testimony. Then watch the then secretary of transportation testify that VP Cheney was warned a plane was approaching the pentagon when it was 50 miles away.

I fear that most Americans don’t have the courage to have a civil discussion of this issue. If that is so, we may be destined for decades of brutal tyranny. I hope I’m wrong.

]]> By: ME http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25334 ME Wed, 16 May 2007 20:44:43 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25334 O’DONNELL: because she thinks I’m likely to join anything, which is true, you know. BEHAR: You do have that cult personality. O’DONNELL: I do. Remember the Jim Jones thing? I’m five seconds away from drinking the Kool Aid singing, "Kumbaya," you know. Honestly, it’s like I have a little bit of that. ME: Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! O’DONNELL: because she thinks I’m likely to join anything, which is true, you know.

BEHAR: You do have that cult personality.

O’DONNELL: I do. Remember the Jim Jones thing? I’m five seconds away from drinking the Kool Aid singing, “Kumbaya,” you know. Honestly, it’s like I have a little bit of that.

ME: Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink!

]]> By: John Pangia http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25301 John Pangia Wed, 16 May 2007 19:21:24 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25301 Rosie O'Donnell is an idiot, full of herself to the Nth degree, suffering from a severe case of celebrityitis - The conspiracy theories have all been trashed under a mountain of facts, yet she continues to play the fool at every opportunity. Rosie O’Donnell is an idiot, full of herself to the Nth degree, suffering from a severe case of celebrityitis - The conspiracy theories have all been trashed under a mountain of facts, yet she continues to play the fool at every opportunity.

]]> By: indio http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25290 indio Wed, 16 May 2007 18:21:19 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16807#comment-25290 She only needs to know Newtons Second Law. Try looking it up. If Sir Issac Newton was around on 9/11 he would know it was an inside job. She only needs to know Newtons Second Law. Try looking it up.
If Sir Issac Newton was around on 9/11 he would know it was an inside job.

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