Comments on: Why 9/11 conspiracy theories should be challenged http://www.bloggernews.net/16246 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:09:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: james.carvelle http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313944 james.carvelle Thu, 01 May 2008 00:41:46 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313944 Do you know the faces of any of the victims? Can you look at pictures of them easily after having written your article? Can you state with 100% certainty that you have investigated this event enough? Could you write your article with their family members in same room? Do you know the faces of any of the victims? Can you look at pictures of them easily after having written your article? Can you state with 100% certainty that you have investigated this event enough? Could you write your article with their family members in same room?

]]> By: james.carvelle http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313924 james.carvelle Thu, 01 May 2008 00:28:25 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313924 What about the airliners' registration numbers showing up in active use months after the attacks, what about the strange white plane circling above the whitehouse after all flights were grounded - was it a normal 747? And where was NORAD? How about the coincidental timing of anti-terror drills tying up the entire military apparatus that morning, how about that same coincidence happening in other terror-attacks (say, 7/7 london), how about the usefulness of this event vis-a-vis the neocon agenda, was it about the oil? Was it about curbing civil liberties? How many birds were hit with one stone? What about the airliners’ registration numbers showing up in active use months after the attacks, what about the strange white plane circling above the whitehouse after all flights were grounded - was it a normal 747? And where was NORAD? How about the coincidental timing of anti-terror drills tying up the entire military apparatus that morning, how about that same coincidence happening in other terror-attacks (say, 7/7 london), how about the usefulness of this event vis-a-vis the neocon agenda, was it about the oil? Was it about curbing civil liberties? How many birds were hit with one stone?

]]> By: james.carvelle http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313902 james.carvelle Thu, 01 May 2008 00:17:35 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313902 How about all the tons of gold removed from the towers hours before the attack, how about thermate, how about the towers being cordoned off by police-lines well before the attack that morning, who owned the security company "protecting" the towers - was it a Bush family asset? How about the towers notorious energy consumption and cost of maintenance making it an unprofitable asset to its owners, how about John O'Niell, how about the huge fireball expolding out the side (that was most of the jetfuel), how about the reports of many explosions, how about the fires that burned for months, how about the selling of the steel beam evidence to china, how about the uncharacteristic complete pulverization of the buildings (very characteristic of explosive demolition), how about the calling for the need for a "new pearl harbor" in the neocon manifesto named "Project for a New American Century" published by a neocon thinktank well before the attacks.. investigate these things, please - then call your writing analytical. How about all the tons of gold removed from the towers hours before the attack, how about thermate, how about the towers being cordoned off by police-lines well before the attack that morning, who owned the security company “protecting” the towers - was it a Bush family asset? How about the towers notorious energy consumption and cost of maintenance making it an unprofitable asset to its owners, how about John O’Niell, how about the huge fireball expolding out the side (that was most of the jetfuel), how about the reports of many explosions, how about the fires that burned for months, how about the selling of the steel beam evidence to china, how about the uncharacteristic complete pulverization of the buildings (very characteristic of explosive demolition), how about the calling for the need for a “new pearl harbor” in the neocon manifesto named “Project for a New American Century” published by a neocon thinktank well before the attacks.. investigate these things, please - then call your writing analytical.

]]> By: james.carvelle http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313864 james.carvelle Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:46:35 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-313864 How about the money trail, the florida flight schools failing the hijackers on cessnas, the terrorists passports found on the streets by the FBI, building 7, the officially accused hijackers speaking out they were thousands of miles away from the impact sites on the next day. How about Mohammed Atta's ties to the CIA, how about the alleged hijackers drinking alcohol and hiring hookers (not very muslim of them)? What about the thousands of airline pilots who state the flight maneuvers were damn near impossible to fly, how about hundreds of engineers worldwide attesting to the fallacy of the official pancake theory, how about the "Angel is next" threat from undisclosed sources called in to various intelligence agencies worldwide, how about Bush's strange admission to having seen the first plane hit that morning, how about the reports of then technically impossible phonecalls from the hijacked planes that morning... the list is just huge.. I would very much be interested in what part of your article is high-quality news analysis? How about the money trail, the florida flight schools failing the hijackers on cessnas, the terrorists passports found on the streets by the FBI, building 7, the officially accused hijackers speaking out they were thousands of miles away from the impact sites on the next day. How about Mohammed Atta’s ties to the CIA, how about the alleged hijackers drinking alcohol and hiring hookers (not very muslim of them)? What about the thousands of airline pilots who state the flight maneuvers were damn near impossible to fly, how about hundreds of engineers worldwide attesting to the fallacy of the official pancake theory, how about the “Angel is next” threat from undisclosed sources called in to various intelligence agencies worldwide, how about Bush’s strange admission to having seen the first plane hit that morning, how about the reports of then technically impossible phonecalls from the hijacked planes that morning… the list is just huge.. I would very much be interested in what part of your article is high-quality news analysis?

]]> By: Peter http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-175803 Peter Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:44:19 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-175803 That was 2+2=5. That was 2+2=5.

]]> By: Peter http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-175800 Peter Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:42:11 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-175800 Watch September Clues for the truth.Loose Change is limited hangout propaganda designed to protect the media which was complicit.There have been exciting developments in exposing the participants in the TV fakery operation such as Michael Hezarkhani,Devin Clark,Carmen Taylor,Robert Clark and many others. It is amazing that a Ministry of Truth operative such as yourself should quote Orwell while insisting that 2+2+5. Watch September Clues for the truth.Loose Change is limited hangout propaganda
designed to protect the media which was complicit.There have been exciting developments in exposing the participants in the TV fakery operation such as
Michael Hezarkhani,Devin Clark,Carmen Taylor,Robert Clark and many others.

It is amazing that a Ministry of Truth operative such as yourself should quote Orwell while insisting that 2+2+5.

]]> By: jim http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-28049 jim Mon, 21 May 2007 16:08:41 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-28049 Popular Mechanics have been debunked. Renowned scholar David Ray Griffen completely disproved Popular Mechanics with his book "Debunking 9/11 Debunkers". Popular Mechanics have been debunked. Renowned scholar David Ray Griffen completely disproved Popular Mechanics with his book “Debunking 9/11 Debunkers”.

]]> By: Jefferson Flanders http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-21898 Jefferson Flanders Tue, 08 May 2007 21:50:04 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-21898 WTC 1 and 2 did NOT fall at free-fall speed. This old chestnut has been refuted again and again, but for the record.... Here is the explanation of Thomas W. Eagar and Christopher Musso in the JOM, the journal of The Minerals, Metals and Materials Society (TMS): <blockquote> The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure (see Figure 5). With a 700 Pa floor design allowable, each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t. As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. <b>If it had been freefall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.</b> It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down. </blockquote> You can find the entire article here: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html From the "Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories" site, there is clear photograph evidence that there was no "free-fall": <blockquote> In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.</blockquote> You can find more here: http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm And for the physics of why the buildings fell as quickly as they did, you can turn to the NIST reports, or to this summary by Manuel Garcia on Counterpunch: http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html WTC 1 and 2 did NOT fall at free-fall speed. This old chestnut has been refuted again and again, but for the record….

Here is the explanation of Thomas W. Eagar and Christopher Musso in the JOM, the journal of The Minerals, Metals and Materials Society (TMS):

The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure (see Figure 5). With a 700 Pa floor design allowable, each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t.

As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been freefall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h. It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.

You can find the entire article here: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

From the “Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories” site, there is clear photograph evidence that there was no “free-fall”:

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

You can find more here: http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

And for the physics of why the buildings fell as quickly as they did, you can turn to the NIST reports, or to this summary by Manuel Garcia on Counterpunch: http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html

]]> By: Goh http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-20180 Goh Fri, 04 May 2007 12:35:21 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-20180 the 9/11 truth movement have turned"truth" into a dirty word. They also substitute "truth" with "facts" and "questions". SIlly fools. I suspect that somebody from theloose change forum saw this page, posted the link to here and thats why there's all the goons here all at the same time. They want you to believe that everybody believes them. If you point out inconsistencies with their theories you get IP banned from the loose change website. The LC crowd are such sheeple. they believe whatever the truth movement tells them. they think they can form their own opinion but its really just forming their own opinions based on 100% one sided biased evidence. the 9/11 truth movement have turned”truth” into a dirty word. They also substitute “truth” with “facts” and “questions”. SIlly fools.

I suspect that somebody from theloose change forum saw this page, posted the link to here and thats why there’s all the goons here all at the same time. They want you to believe that everybody believes them. If you point out inconsistencies with their theories you get IP banned from the loose change website.

The LC crowd are such sheeple. they believe whatever the truth movement tells them. they think they can form their own opinion but its really just forming their own opinions based on 100% one sided biased evidence.

]]> By: Merlin Saga http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-18770 Merlin Saga Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:41:05 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-18770 The burden of proof always falls on the liar, because they cannot prove their lie is true! The 9/11 Commission Report was a Co-ver-up Mission; in no other way could it be that one book would defy the laws of physics to hide a simple and painful truth: there is money in the business of war, and the greedy are willing to spill blood for it. Follow the money-trail and you'll find the real terrorist. What did Osama bin-Laden have to benefit from the attack, he himself is a business man as much as a religious fanatic. Look at the tape when bin-Laden denounced the 9/11 attacks, and then look at the different person in the tape that affirmed their involvement in the attack; that's right, different person. O how the ignorant will suffer, and the greedy will reap. This world is on the brink of a new age of enlightenment, where all will be revealed. The burden of proof always falls on the liar, because they cannot prove their lie is true! The 9/11 Commission Report was a Co-ver-up Mission; in no other way could it be that one book would defy the laws of physics to hide a simple and painful truth: there is money in the business of war, and the greedy are willing to spill blood for it. Follow the money-trail and you’ll find the real terrorist. What did Osama bin-Laden have to benefit from the attack, he himself is a business man as much as a religious fanatic. Look at the tape when bin-Laden denounced the 9/11 attacks, and then look at the different person in the tape that affirmed their involvement in the attack; that’s right, different person. O how the ignorant will suffer, and the greedy will reap. This world is on the brink of a new age of enlightenment, where all will be revealed.

]]> By: John http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-18541 John Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:01:59 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-18541 I have yet to meet a person who has done any significant research and does not believe that it was an inside job. These articles that "debunk the 911 myths" do not address facts but simply explain why conspiracy theorists are crazy. That to me sounds like something is being hidden. Fox news and company can tout their propaganda all they want - the American public doesn't believe you no matter how crazy you call us... I have yet to meet a person who has done any significant research and does not believe that it was an inside job. These articles that “debunk the 911 myths” do not address facts but simply explain why conspiracy theorists are crazy. That to me sounds like something is being hidden. Fox news and company can tout their propaganda all they want - the American public doesn’t believe you no matter how crazy you call us…

]]> By: moderate http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-17477 moderate Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:05:11 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-17477 i consider myself somewhere inbetween conservative and liberal, and when a ultra conservative friend of mine told me that the gov. prolly planned and did 9/11 i reacted like most people do, i thought that was complete and utter b.s. however he told me to check out loose change (which i agree is a bad documentary) and 9/11 mysteries(google video). you have to force yourself to think objectively and put all your political ideological beliefs aside and use your own eyes and ears. research it for yourself. and when you do its hard to deny your own common sense. the gov more than likely had a hand in it, however i think that the powers that be on both sides left and right want to suppress this movement because they feel that all of us sheep will loose faith in the system and revolt. im not saying we should revolt but i think peoples perception of reality should not be manipulated. and thats what the mainstreem media is doing. i consider myself somewhere inbetween conservative and liberal, and when a ultra conservative friend of mine told me that the gov. prolly planned and did 9/11 i reacted like most people do, i thought that was complete and utter b.s. however he told me to check out loose change (which i agree is a bad documentary) and 9/11 mysteries(google video). you have to force yourself to think objectively and put all your political ideological beliefs aside and use your own eyes and ears. research it for yourself. and when you do its hard to deny your own common sense. the gov more than likely had a hand in it, however i think that the powers that be on both sides left and right want to suppress this movement because they feel that all of us sheep will loose faith in the system and revolt. im not saying we should revolt but i think peoples perception of reality should not be manipulated. and thats what the mainstreem media is doing.

]]> By: 7man http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-17226 7man Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:02:55 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-17226 To Conpiracy Smasher: "have you ever seen a controlled demolition that started from the top down?" Well you just saw two! (Towers 1 and 2)- surprise- there is always a first! And while you are at it, check out WTC 7 that has every characteristic of a typical controlled demolition. America is waking up after years of lies, deceit, and media whores. Get on the good side Smasher! To Conpiracy Smasher: “have you ever seen a controlled demolition that started from the top down?” Well you just saw two! (Towers 1 and 2)- surprise- there is always a first! And while you are at it, check out WTC 7 that has every characteristic of a typical controlled demolition. America is waking up after years of lies, deceit, and media whores. Get on the good side Smasher!

]]> By: u2r2h http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16946 u2r2h Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:08:23 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16946 Flanders should be congratulated for enquiring into the truth of 911. My conclusion is that 911 was done by the USA military. Flanders should be congratulated for enquiring into the truth of 911.

My conclusion is that 911 was done by the USA military.

]]> By: Conspiracy Smasher http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16808 Conspiracy Smasher Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:09:40 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16808 Ken, Pull your pointed head out of your rectum and breath the fresh air. Let me ask you this, have you ever seen a controlled demolition that started from the top down? If you retards actually had any evidence, people would listen. You ignore real experts (like Blanchard) because you are not interested in the truth but rather embrace the slimy world of conspiracies, (9/11, UFOs, Bigfoot, JFK, blah, blah, blah....) Ken,

Pull your pointed head out of your rectum and breath the fresh air. Let me ask you this, have you ever seen a controlled demolition that started from the top down? If you retards actually had any evidence, people would listen. You ignore real experts (like Blanchard) because you are not interested in the truth but rather embrace the slimy world of conspiracies, (9/11, UFOs, Bigfoot, JFK, blah, blah, blah….)

]]> By: Paul Conant http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16806 Paul Conant Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:06:22 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16806 Don't forget to challenge the official 9/11 myths Don’t forget to challenge the official 9/11 myths

]]> By: Conspiracy Smasher http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16787 Conspiracy Smasher Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:25:53 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16787 I'm stupid. I’m stupid.

]]> By: Ken http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16765 Ken Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:32:41 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16765 And Conspiracy Smasher - if you have no knowledge of a subject, you are unfit to debate it. Anyone who bases their arguments on mainstream news reports, the 9/11 Commission report, or Popular Mechanics and the like should really think about the sources they are citing. Would they hold up in, say, an academic physics or thermodynamics paper? If the answer to that question is no, it's back to the drawing board for your argument. And Conspiracy Smasher - if you have no knowledge of a subject, you are unfit to debate it.

Anyone who bases their arguments on mainstream news reports, the 9/11 Commission report, or Popular Mechanics and the like should really think about the sources they are citing. Would they hold up in, say, an academic physics or thermodynamics paper?

If the answer to that question is no, it’s back to the drawing board for your argument.

]]> By: Ken http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16763 Ken Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:26:59 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16763 The other commentors here have done a great job thrashing your argument to pieces. This wa, by the way, a truly pathetic bit of writing. The worst part of the post might be where you act like the U.S. government isn't actively involved in mass murder on a daily basis (read: Iraq, Afghanistan). Of course there are the Pentagon Papers, Operation Northwoods specifically, and myriad other events that give a hisorical precedent for the US military-industrial complex perpetrated or planning to perpetrate massive crimes against the populace. If our government cared anything for American lives, would our sons and daughters be squatting under a hail of sectarian gunfire in a faraway place where we are certainly not wanted? The other commentors here have done a great job thrashing your argument to pieces. This wa, by the way, a truly pathetic bit of writing.

The worst part of the post might be where you act like the U.S. government isn’t actively involved in mass murder on a daily basis (read: Iraq, Afghanistan). Of course there are the Pentagon Papers, Operation Northwoods specifically, and myriad other events that give a hisorical precedent for the US military-industrial complex perpetrated or planning to perpetrate massive crimes against the populace. If our government cared anything for American lives, would our sons and daughters be squatting under a hail of sectarian gunfire in a faraway place where we are certainly not wanted?

]]> By: MitGrad http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16754 MitGrad Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:56:26 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16754 In response to Conspiracy Smasher and Brent Blanchard's paper: this paper refers to the "pancake" colapse of the twin towers, and generally ignores the time it took the buildings to fall. Any "pancaking" scenario of colapse would take many times longer for the buildings to colapse than the actual events. This is critically important: #1, #2 and #7 all colapsed at *freefall* speed. THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THE BUILDINGS ARE BLOWN OUT FROM UNDER THEM. Simulations of progressive pancake colapse take up to 60 seconds, not 10 or 12 seconds. Mr. Blanchard may be a demolition expert, but he couldn't pass Physics 1.01. In response to Conspiracy Smasher and Brent Blanchard’s paper: this paper refers to the “pancake” colapse of the twin towers, and generally ignores the time it took the buildings to fall. Any “pancaking” scenario of colapse would take many times longer for the buildings to colapse than the actual events. This is critically important: #1, #2 and #7 all colapsed at *freefall* speed.
THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THE BUILDINGS ARE BLOWN OUT FROM UNDER THEM.
Simulations of progressive pancake colapse take up to 60 seconds, not 10 or 12 seconds. Mr. Blanchard may be a demolition expert, but he couldn’t pass Physics 1.01.

]]> By: Carbon http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16728 Carbon Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:45:29 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16728 Who is this guy to say what is American? It is patriotic to criticize the government when it is doing wrong. I agree with him that conspiracy theories should be challenged, but Jefferson is acting like the official account is not a conspiracy theory itself- a completely unsupported one. It is telling how completely weak truth-debunkers' arguments are getting. "More exposure of the shabby 9/11 fabrications is needed." Again, I agree, but I would argue that the shabby fabrications are coming from the government and its apologists at NIST, Pop. M, and FOX. Who is this guy to say what is American? It is patriotic to criticize the government when it is doing wrong. I agree with him that conspiracy theories should be challenged, but Jefferson is acting like the official account is not a conspiracy theory itself- a completely unsupported one.

It is telling how completely weak truth-debunkers’ arguments are getting. “More exposure of the shabby 9/11 fabrications is needed.” Again, I agree, but I would argue that the shabby fabrications are coming from the government and its apologists at NIST, Pop. M, and FOX.

]]> By: Conspiracy Smasher http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16721 Conspiracy Smasher Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:09:02 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16721 Read Brent Blanchard's paper and tell us what's wrong with it. Unlike fools who babble about controlled demolition without knowing anything about it, Blanchard works in the industry. You actually need to know why the fantasists' absurd myths have no basis in science, why the canard about controlled demolition is rejected by EVERYONE who works in that industry, why the seismic data demonstrates conclusively that NO expolosives were used at the World Trade Center complex. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf Read Brent Blanchard’s paper and tell us what’s wrong with it. Unlike fools who babble about controlled demolition without knowing anything about it, Blanchard works in the industry. You actually need to know why the fantasists’ absurd myths have no basis in science, why the canard about controlled demolition is rejected by EVERYONE who works in that industry, why the seismic data demonstrates conclusively that NO expolosives were used at the World Trade Center complex.

http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

]]> By: Sam http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16658 Sam Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:33:31 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16658 Global conflict was always the goal. 9/11 was the catalyst. Fear, confusion and anger go a long way when you are trying to manipulate people. Show some courage man. Challenge your beliefs jeffersonflanders. If, at the end of some extensive research you maintain those beliefs, by all means run with it. However, do not fool yourself into believing that statements like "It should be deeply disturbing that a third of the U.S. populace would question whether its own government could be involved in mass murder" and "The acceptance of conspiracy theories makes political debate difficult, if not impossible" constitute a rational argument. Do not let your patriotism blend with your fear of the unknown jeffersonflanders. Think critically and look at the evidence before you decide to open your mouth. Global conflict was always the goal. 9/11 was the catalyst. Fear, confusion and anger go a long way when you are trying to manipulate people. Show some courage man. Challenge your beliefs jeffersonflanders. If, at the end of some extensive research you maintain those beliefs, by all means run with it. However, do not fool yourself into believing that statements like “It should be deeply disturbing that a third of the U.S. populace would question whether its own government could be involved in mass murder” and “The acceptance of conspiracy theories makes political debate difficult, if not impossible” constitute a rational argument. Do not let your patriotism blend with your fear of the unknown jeffersonflanders. Think critically and look at the evidence before you decide to open your mouth.

]]> By: michael http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16632 michael Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:41:46 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16632 9/11 was an inside job! It doesn't take Hearst owned popular mechanics to see that, or any other corporate monopolized media outlet to see that, it takes independent thought on a personal level. This country has been hijacked by big business/oil and the america people who still think for themselves can see that better than any paid off political pundint on cable news. Keep questioning, democracy belongs to the people -mike cincinnati, OH 9/11 was an inside job!
It doesn’t take Hearst owned popular mechanics to see that, or any other corporate monopolized media outlet to see that, it takes independent thought on a personal level. This country has been hijacked by big business/oil and the america people who still think for themselves can see that better than any paid off political pundint on cable news.
Keep questioning, democracy belongs to the people
-mike
cincinnati, OH

]]> By: colin Bryant http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16615 colin Bryant Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:25:43 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16615 It would be wonderful for all parties to have a full and frank discussion about the events of 9/11, sadly, Mr O'Reilly and his media colleagues who debunk the 'Truth' movement can only resort to insults and personal abuse, usually delivered at a high db level. As a professional designer/architect I would find it particularly irritating to be shouted at and shouted down by a .....television news reader It would be wonderful for all parties to have a full and frank discussion about the events of 9/11, sadly, Mr O’Reilly and his media colleagues who debunk the ‘Truth’ movement can only resort to insults and personal abuse, usually delivered at a high db level. As a professional designer/architect I would find it particularly irritating to be shouted at and shouted down by a …..television news reader

]]> By: robert martin http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16575 robert martin Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:04:48 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16575 Four commercial airliners make U turns over the Northeastern US over two hours and not ONE interception! Great job, NORAD. Who, by the way, changed its story in the commission hearings three times. Incompetence? Not ONE is fired, arrested, or even demoted. Instead, they are given promontions, raises, and medals. As a first-responder who spent the first three days on the pile, I can tell you all that these buildings (all seven of them) were destroyed by controlled demolitions. My co workers, firefighters, police, and medics, heard multiple detonations before and during the collapses. No, the laws of physics were not supended that day. One hundred ten story buildings do not fall into the path of most resistance at free fall speed unless the mass under each floor is demolished first. It is basic logic. One thing that astonished many of us at the site was the virtual absence of concrete flooring. Each of the 220 floors were composed of an acre of poured concrete, four inches thick, on corrugated steel that was supported by trusses. Each of those trusses were bolted and welded. Oh, yes. A few years after the towers were completed, a major fire broke our on the eleventh and twelfth floors and burned for six hours, gutting the floors completely. This fire was on lower floors with all the weight of the towers above, and the buildings did not fall. Remember that there a law that is described as the Conservation of Angular momentum. If one watches the first (south) tower begin its collapse, the block above the crash zone begins to tilt as much as 23 degrees, then it begins to rapidly disintegrate and disappears into the lower section. This behavior is impossible unless the mass of the building is very rapidly removed underneath it, otherwise, the tilting block will continue to topple over. Look at the videos that are all over the web. And...what happened to the remaining core, which was constructed of 47 massive box columns, crossed tied with I beams at each floor? People, the buildings fell into the path of MOST resistance, and into their own footprints! THINK! The buildings were also filled with asbestos and the outside aluminum shell needed to be replaced. This would entail creating scaffolding completely around the entire each building, cost four to five billion dollars to dismantle. Engineering firms hired by the owners in the eighties suggested that imploding these towers was just not feasible. WTC 7 was retrofitted in 1988 when Salomon Bros. occupied 22 floors. The entire building was "hardened" to accomodate three story trading floors. In addition, NYC's Office of Emergency Management's space was created in this building. This was also a "hardened" bunker. This building was chosen by the SEC, IRS, Secret Service, and other agencies BECAUSE of its structural attributes. Before 9/11, not one skyscraper fell because of fire. On that day, THREE fell...not toppling over, but INTO their own footprints, AT FREE FALL. Look at the videos of these buildings going down, and notice how far the material of the buildings are ejected OUT, not down. The materials follow a classic trajectory of projectiles being shot up and away at approximately 45 degrees, just like you see in a high school physics text. Then notice that the rate of the collapse-wave of each building going down is as fast, if not faster, that the debris falling down along side. Pancaking floors will hit the floor below each one and SLOW down due to resistance. Any body who knows fire engineering will also tell you that the heat generated by the burning kerosence (after about 15 minutes, and one can see that the kerosene burns away by the color of the smoke--whci becomes dark, not light--) that allegedly "softens" the structural steel, will be conducted away. The massive columns act like a "heat sink" throughout the entire height of the tower, transferring most of the heat AWAY, and not allowing the temps to rise above 450 deg. F. Does your kerosene stove at home melt? Does your kettle melt or sag when you cook spaghetti? No. Neither did the massive box columns in each of the three towers. Underwriters Laboritories certified the very same steel to retain its integrity at 2000 deg F for at least two hours under constant heat under ideal burning conditions with plenty of oxygen, not oxygen poor conditions that we all saw that day by the dark smoke coming out of the buildings. In order for steel to glow yellow orange, it must be heated to nearly 3,000 degrees F. That is what I and many other workers saw at the the pile. Kerosene cannot do that. For anyone to disparage another citizen for questioning the "official story" is either ignorant of the facts, won't look at the facts, or watches FOX television. Four commercial airliners make U turns over the Northeastern US over two hours and not ONE interception! Great job, NORAD. Who, by the way, changed its story in the commission hearings three times. Incompetence? Not ONE is fired, arrested, or even demoted. Instead, they are given promontions, raises, and medals. As a first-responder who spent the first three days on the pile, I can tell you all that these buildings (all seven of them) were destroyed by controlled demolitions.
My co workers, firefighters, police, and medics, heard multiple detonations before and during the collapses. No, the laws of physics were not supended that day. One hundred ten story buildings do not fall into the path of most resistance at free fall speed unless the mass under each floor is demolished first. It is basic logic. One thing that astonished many of us at the site was the virtual absence of concrete flooring. Each of the 220 floors were composed of an acre of poured concrete, four inches thick, on corrugated steel that was supported by trusses. Each of those trusses were bolted and welded.
Oh, yes. A few years after the towers were completed, a major fire broke our on the eleventh and twelfth floors and burned for six hours, gutting the floors completely. This fire was on lower floors with all the weight of the towers above, and the buildings did not fall. Remember that there a law that is described as the Conservation of Angular momentum. If one watches the first (south) tower begin its collapse, the block above the crash zone begins to tilt as much as 23 degrees, then it begins to rapidly disintegrate and disappears into the lower section. This behavior is impossible unless the mass of the building is very rapidly removed underneath it, otherwise, the tilting block will continue to topple over. Look at the videos that are all over the web. And…what happened to the remaining core, which was constructed of 47 massive box columns, crossed tied with I beams at each floor? People, the buildings fell into the path of MOST resistance, and into their own footprints! THINK! The buildings were also filled with asbestos and the outside aluminum shell needed to be replaced. This would entail creating scaffolding completely around the entire each building, cost four to five billion dollars to dismantle. Engineering firms hired by the owners in the eighties suggested that imploding these towers was just not feasible. WTC 7 was retrofitted in 1988 when Salomon Bros. occupied 22 floors. The entire building was “hardened” to accomodate three story trading floors. In addition, NYC’s Office of Emergency Management’s space was created in this building. This was also a “hardened” bunker. This building was chosen by the SEC, IRS, Secret Service, and other agencies BECAUSE of its structural attributes. Before 9/11, not one skyscraper fell because of fire. On that day, THREE fell…not toppling over, but INTO their own footprints, AT FREE FALL. Look at the videos of these buildings going down, and notice how far the material of the buildings are ejected OUT, not down. The materials follow a classic trajectory of projectiles being shot up and away at approximately 45 degrees, just like you see in a high school physics text. Then notice that the rate of the collapse-wave of each building going down is as fast, if not faster, that the debris falling down along side. Pancaking floors will hit the floor below each one and SLOW down due to resistance. Any body who knows fire engineering will also tell you that the heat generated by the burning kerosence (after about 15 minutes, and one can see that the kerosene burns away by the color of the smoke–whci becomes dark, not light–) that allegedly “softens” the structural steel, will be conducted away. The massive columns act like a “heat sink” throughout the entire height of the tower, transferring most of the heat AWAY, and not allowing the temps to rise above 450 deg. F. Does your kerosene stove at home melt? Does your kettle melt or sag when you cook spaghetti? No. Neither did the massive box columns in each of the three towers. Underwriters Laboritories certified the very same steel to retain its integrity at 2000 deg F for at least two hours under constant heat under ideal burning conditions with plenty of oxygen, not oxygen poor conditions that we all saw that day by the dark smoke coming out of the buildings. In order for steel to glow yellow orange, it must be heated to nearly 3,000 degrees F. That is what I and many other workers saw at the the pile. Kerosene cannot do that.
For anyone to disparage another citizen for questioning the “official story” is either ignorant of the facts, won’t look at the facts, or watches FOX television.

]]> By: Jason http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16522 Jason Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:18:24 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16522 You know that the only publications that try to debunk 9-11 truth are owned by Hearst publishing (see yellow journalism) 9-11 survivors continue to scream INSIDE JOB as the "bought and paid-for mainstream media" continues it's truth blackout while blogs like this continue to shy away from debating the real evidence. 9/11 = INSIDE JOB. Look at the facts / not the neocon media or blind blogs with publishers who haven't seen the evidence (such as this blog!) Info on controlled media and 100's of well-know people stating INSIDE JOB can be found at www.FIGHT4TRUTH.com Think for yourself, look at the evidence then decide! You know that the only publications that try to debunk 9-11 truth are owned by Hearst publishing (see yellow journalism)
9-11 survivors continue to scream INSIDE JOB as the “bought and paid-for mainstream media” continues it’s truth blackout while blogs like this continue to shy away from debating the real evidence.
9/11 = INSIDE JOB. Look at the facts / not the neocon media or blind blogs with publishers who haven’t seen the evidence (such as this blog!)
Info on controlled media and 100’s of well-know people stating INSIDE JOB can be found at http://www.FIGHT4TRUTH.com
Think for yourself, look at the evidence then decide!

]]> By: Natas Enasni http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16502 Natas Enasni Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:21:11 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16502 Uh yes, thats all well and good; but just like JFK whats going to stop 9/11 being lost to history? Everyone with half a brain seems suspicious enough but why is nothing being done? to hedge bets for 08 election? Screw that impeach now. Uh yes, thats all well and good; but just like JFK whats going to stop 9/11 being lost to history?

Everyone with half a brain seems suspicious enough but why is nothing being done?

to hedge bets for 08 election?

Screw that impeach now.

]]> By: Chris Rose http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16496 Chris Rose Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:47:51 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16496 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB. You know it. The American people know it... and the WORLD knows it! 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB. You know it. The American people know it… and the WORLD knows it!

]]> By: DHS http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16473 DHS Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:45:51 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16473 How about O'Reilly and his goons debunk "9/11 Press for Truth" instead of the error-and-speculation-filled "Loose Change". Straw Men are easy to knock down. http://www.911pressfortruth.com or check it out on Google Video All O'Reilly, you, and the Main Stream Media are doing is NARROWING THE DISCUSSION and Over-Generalizing. Release the documents, ungag the whistleblowers, and use the subpoena power. That's all we're asking for. Why is that so UnAmerican??? How about O’Reilly and his goons debunk “9/11 Press for Truth” instead of the error-and-speculation-filled “Loose Change”. Straw Men are easy to knock down.

http://www.911pressfortruth.com or check it out on Google Video

All O’Reilly, you, and the Main Stream Media are doing is NARROWING THE DISCUSSION and Over-Generalizing.

Release the documents, ungag the whistleblowers, and use the subpoena power. That’s all we’re asking for. Why is that so UnAmerican???

]]> By: John Bolton http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16472 John Bolton Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:32:26 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16472 oh wait scratch that confirmation of Sen. Kerry, he may have been quoted out of context regarding the demolition techniques used in the clean up of ground zero. Then again maybe not but that just goes to show we appreciate the facts. oh wait scratch that confirmation of Sen. Kerry, he may have been quoted out of context regarding the demolition techniques used in the clean up of ground zero. Then again maybe not but that just goes to show we appreciate the facts.

]]> By: Carol Brouillet http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16468 Carol Brouillet Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:11:38 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16468 We marched on our Senators and Congresswoman in January 2002 demanding a Congressional Investigation of 9/11. Bush and Cheny immediately asked Daschle to limit the investigations. The Senate/House Inquiry overseen by Porter Goss and Bob Graham ignored completely their own breakfast meeting on 9/11 with the head of Pakistan's ISI Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, who had had $100,000 wired to Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the attacks. There has been a systemic destruction of eveidence. The Commission Report omits entirely the collapse of the 47 story building #7 which exhibited all signs of a controlled demolition when it fell on the afternoon of September 11th- although not hit by a plane. The government has come up with 3 different timelines for their failure to intercept the highjacked planes and not one of them makes snse or is believable. Perhaps if Zelikow, who was a co-author of a book with Rice and author of the Pre-Emptive war doctrine, whose specialty was myths "thought to be true, but not known to be true which have a searing impact upon generations, was not the executive director of the 9/11 Commission and major author of the report which distorted or omitted 115 key points, then people would be less inclined to doubt it's veracity. Personally, I think it had all the fingerprints of a special operation, and a botched one at that. We marched on our Senators and Congresswoman in January 2002 demanding a Congressional Investigation of 9/11. Bush and Cheny immediately asked Daschle to limit the investigations. The Senate/House Inquiry overseen by Porter Goss and Bob Graham ignored completely their own breakfast meeting on 9/11 with the head of Pakistan’s ISI Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, who had had $100,000 wired to Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the attacks. There has been a systemic destruction of eveidence. The Commission Report omits entirely the collapse of the 47 story building #7 which exhibited all signs of a controlled demolition when it fell on the afternoon of September 11th- although not hit by a plane. The government has come up with 3 different timelines for their failure to intercept the highjacked planes and not one of them makes snse or is believable. Perhaps if Zelikow, who was a co-author of a book with Rice and author of the Pre-Emptive war doctrine, whose specialty was myths “thought to be true, but not known to be true which have a searing impact upon generations, was not the executive director of the 9/11 Commission and major author of the report which distorted or omitted 115 key points, then people would be less inclined to doubt it’s veracity. Personally, I think it had all the fingerprints of a special operation, and a botched one at that.

]]> By: John Bolton http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16462 John Bolton Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:54:02 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16462 yes that's it, just bring all our evidence to the light of day. thank you even though you think it wasn't an inside job you still have some sort of logic left in you. now you can start right with why was Norman Yohio Mineta's testimony excluded from the official report. oh and while you're at it let's also ask why is John Kerry admitting WTC 7 was a controlled demolition? why did the bbc report the collapse of WTC 7 close to 30 minutes before collapse and now they say they lost all the tapes from that coverage of the WTC 7 on that day? why wasn't the insider trading agressively pursued on the stock of American Airlines and United Airlines? why was $100,000 wired to mohammed atta days before the attacks under the direction of Pakistan's ISI? why did Marvin Bush's job at the WTC complex end 9/10/01? why were there complete power downs in the complex and the bomb detecting canines removed leading up to the attack? why won't the FBI release a definitive video of the plane striking the pentagon? under whose specific authority were the highjackers given FAA licenses? why was Sibel Edmonds fired and gagged when she was doing her job? who was promoted in the intelligence agencies after 9/11? why was a vice president in command of NORAD on that day? go back to Mr. Mineta's testimony why did it take 4 widows from New Jersey to even get the ball rolling on an investigation? and yes if israel is involved in this mess like the "high fivers" who were caught in new jersey and the employees of an israeli instant messing company who were warned of the events in advance, we should methodically begin dismantling the mossad as well as pakistan ISI. God Bless America baby! yes that’s it, just bring all our evidence to the light of day. thank you even though you think it wasn’t an inside job you still have some sort of logic left in you.

now you can start right with why was Norman Yohio Mineta’s testimony excluded from the official report.

oh and while you’re at it let’s also ask why is John Kerry admitting WTC 7 was a controlled demolition?

why did the bbc report the collapse of WTC 7 close to 30 minutes before collapse and now they say they lost all the tapes from that coverage of the WTC 7 on that day?

why wasn’t the insider trading agressively pursued on the stock of American Airlines and United Airlines?

why was $100,000 wired to mohammed atta days before the attacks under the direction of Pakistan’s ISI?

why did Marvin Bush’s job at the WTC complex end 9/10/01?

why were there complete power downs in the complex and the bomb detecting canines removed leading up to the attack?

why won’t the FBI release a definitive video of the plane striking the pentagon?

under whose specific authority were the highjackers given FAA licenses?

why was Sibel Edmonds fired and gagged when she was doing her job?

who was promoted in the intelligence agencies after 9/11?

why was a vice president in command of NORAD on that day? go back to Mr. Mineta’s testimony

why did it take 4 widows from New Jersey to even get the ball rolling on an investigation?

and yes if israel is involved in this mess like the “high fivers” who were caught in new jersey and the employees of an israeli instant messing company who were warned of the events in advance, we should methodically begin dismantling the mossad as well as pakistan ISI.

God Bless America baby!

]]> By: Ric von Maur http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16461 Ric von Maur Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:41:34 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16461 I have looked at ALL of it, including the much touted Popular Mechanics article (surprises me that everyone is pointed to a cheesy magazine instead of government reports etc) and nobody can satisfy me on the collapse of building 7. Do not insult my intelligence and tell me it burned or was weakened. In any case, what is even more interesting is that there is this argument that it will 'aid the enemy' or 'embolden' them but if they WANT to take responsibility and brag about it and claim victory and then we all find out that they actually didn't/couldn't do it wouldn't that in fact 'weaken' our enemy? Wouldn't it show they were incompetent etc. Anyway, I suggest you dig a little and seek truth, thanks oh, if it is all lies, why not debate the facts and simply discredit the movement, embarass them with obvious fallacies - I am at a point where the burden of proof is back on you I have looked at ALL of it, including the much touted Popular Mechanics article (surprises me that everyone is pointed to a cheesy magazine instead of government reports etc) and nobody can satisfy me on the collapse of building 7. Do not insult my intelligence and tell me it burned or was weakened. In any case, what is even more interesting is that there is this argument that it will ‘aid the enemy’ or ‘embolden’ them but if they WANT to take responsibility and brag about it and claim victory and then we all find out that they actually didn’t/couldn’t do it wouldn’t that in fact ‘weaken’ our enemy? Wouldn’t it show they were incompetent etc. Anyway, I suggest you dig a little and seek truth, thanks

oh, if it is all lies, why not debate the facts and simply discredit the movement, embarass them with obvious fallacies - I am at a point where the burden of proof is back on you

]]> By: truth seeker http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16453 truth seeker Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:21:12 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/16246#comment-16453 Candidly, I think you are a big coward. The many. many inconsistencies between the "official story" and the accounts of eyewitnesses reporting secondary explosions all support of the primary point of the 9/11 skeptics, which is that the events of that day are nothing like that espoused in the official government conspiracy theory. Candidly, I think you are a big coward. The many. many inconsistencies between the “official story” and the accounts of eyewitnesses reporting secondary explosions all support of the primary point of the 9/11 skeptics, which is that the events of that day are nothing like that espoused in the official government conspiracy theory.

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