I have looked at ALL of it, including the much touted Popular Mechanics article (surprises me that everyone is pointed to a cheesy magazine instead of government reports etc) and nobody can satisfy me on the collapse of building 7. Do not insult my intelligence and tell me it burned or was weakened. In any case, what is even more interesting is that there is this argument that it will ‘aid the enemy’ or ‘embolden’ them but if they WANT to take responsibility and brag about it and claim victory and then we all find out that they actually didn’t/couldn’t do it wouldn’t that in fact ‘weaken’ our enemy? Wouldn’t it show they were incompetent etc. Anyway, I suggest you dig a little and seek truth, thanks

oh, if it is all lies, why not debate the facts and simply discredit the movement, embarass them with obvious fallacies - I am at a point where the burden of proof is back on you

We marched on our Senators and Congresswoman in January 2002 demanding a Congressional Investigation of 9/11. Bush and Cheny immediately asked Daschle to limit the investigations. The Senate/House Inquiry overseen by Porter Goss and Bob Graham ignored completely their own breakfast meeting on 9/11 with the head of Pakistan’s ISI Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, who had had $100,000 wired to Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the attacks. There has been a systemic destruction of eveidence. The Commission Report omits entirely the collapse of the 47 story building #7 which exhibited all signs of a controlled demolition when it fell on the afternoon of September 11th- although not hit by a plane. The government has come up with 3 different timelines for their failure to intercept the highjacked planes and not one of them makes snse or is believable. Perhaps if Zelikow, who was a co-author of a book with Rice and author of the Pre-Emptive war doctrine, whose specialty was myths “thought to be true, but not known to be true which have a searing impact upon generations, was not the executive director of the 9/11 Commission and major author of the report which distorted or omitted 115 key points, then people would be less inclined to doubt it’s veracity. Personally, I think it had all the fingerprints of a special operation, and a botched one at that.

How about O’Reilly and his goons debunk “9/11 Press for Truth” instead of the error-and-speculation-filled “Loose Change”. Straw Men are easy to knock down.

http://www.911pressfortruth.com or check it out on Google Video

All O’Reilly, you, and the Main Stream Media are doing is NARROWING THE DISCUSSION and Over-Generalizing.

Release the documents, ungag the whistleblowers, and use the subpoena power. That’s all we’re asking for. Why is that so UnAmerican???

Uh yes, thats all well and good; but just like JFK whats going to stop 9/11 being lost to history?

Everyone with half a brain seems suspicious enough but why is nothing being done?

to hedge bets for 08 election?

Screw that impeach now.

Four commercial airliners make U turns over the Northeastern US over two hours and not ONE interception! Great job, NORAD. Who, by the way, changed its story in the commission hearings three times. Incompetence? Not ONE is fired, arrested, or even demoted. Instead, they are given promontions, raises, and medals. As a first-responder who spent the first three days on the pile, I can tell you all that these buildings (all seven of them) were destroyed by controlled demolitions.
My co workers, firefighters, police, and medics, heard multiple detonations before and during the collapses. No, the laws of physics were not supended that day. One hundred ten story buildings do not fall into the path of most resistance at free fall speed unless the mass under each floor is demolished first. It is basic logic. One thing that astonished many of us at the site was the virtual absence of concrete flooring. Each of the 220 floors were composed of an acre of poured concrete, four inches thick, on corrugated steel that was supported by trusses. Each of those trusses were bolted and welded.
Oh, yes. A few years after the towers were completed, a major fire broke our on the eleventh and twelfth floors and burned for six hours, gutting the floors completely. This fire was on lower floors with all the weight of the towers above, and the buildings did not fall. Remember that there a law that is described as the Conservation of Angular momentum. If one watches the first (south) tower begin its collapse, the block above the crash zone begins to tilt as much as 23 degrees, then it begins to rapidly disintegrate and disappears into the lower section. This behavior is impossible unless the mass of the building is very rapidly removed underneath it, otherwise, the tilting block will continue to topple over. Look at the videos that are all over the web. And…what happened to the remaining core, which was constructed of 47 massive box columns, crossed tied with I beams at each floor? People, the buildings fell into the path of MOST resistance, and into their own footprints! THINK! The buildings were also filled with asbestos and the outside aluminum shell needed to be replaced. This would entail creating scaffolding completely around the entire each building, cost four to five billion dollars to dismantle. Engineering firms hired by the owners in the eighties suggested that imploding these towers was just not feasible. WTC 7 was retrofitted in 1988 when Salomon Bros. occupied 22 floors. The entire building was “hardened” to accomodate three story trading floors. In addition, NYC’s Office of Emergency Management’s space was created in this building. This was also a “hardened” bunker. This building was chosen by the SEC, IRS, Secret Service, and other agencies BECAUSE of its structural attributes. Before 9/11, not one skyscraper fell because of fire. On that day, THREE fell…not toppling over, but INTO their own footprints, AT FREE FALL. Look at the videos of these buildings going down, and notice how far the material of the buildings are ejected OUT, not down. The materials follow a classic trajectory of projectiles being shot up and away at approximately 45 degrees, just like you see in a high school physics text. Then notice that the rate of the collapse-wave of each building going down is as fast, if not faster, that the debris falling down along side. Pancaking floors will hit the floor below each one and SLOW down due to resistance. Any body who knows fire engineering will also tell you that the heat generated by the burning kerosence (after about 15 minutes, and one can see that the kerosene burns away by the color of the smoke–whci becomes dark, not light–) that allegedly “softens” the structural steel, will be conducted away. The massive columns act like a “heat sink” throughout the entire height of the tower, transferring most of the heat AWAY, and not allowing the temps to rise above 450 deg. F. Does your kerosene stove at home melt? Does your kettle melt or sag when you cook spaghetti? No. Neither did the massive box columns in each of the three towers. Underwriters Laboritories certified the very same steel to retain its integrity at 2000 deg F for at least two hours under constant heat under ideal burning conditions with plenty of oxygen, not oxygen poor conditions that we all saw that day by the dark smoke coming out of the buildings. In order for steel to glow yellow orange, it must be heated to nearly 3,000 degrees F. That is what I and many other workers saw at the the pile. Kerosene cannot do that.
For anyone to disparage another citizen for questioning the “official story” is either ignorant of the facts, won’t look at the facts, or watches FOX television.

9/11 was an inside job!
It doesn’t take Hearst owned popular mechanics to see that, or any other corporate monopolized media outlet to see that, it takes independent thought on a personal level. This country has been hijacked by big business/oil and the america people who still think for themselves can see that better than any paid off political pundint on cable news.
Keep questioning, democracy belongs to the people
-mike
cincinnati, OH

Read Brent Blanchard’s paper and tell us what’s wrong with it. Unlike fools who babble about controlled demolition without knowing anything about it, Blanchard works in the industry. You actually need to know why the fantasists’ absurd myths have no basis in science, why the canard about controlled demolition is rejected by EVERYONE who works in that industry, why the seismic data demonstrates conclusively that NO expolosives were used at the World Trade Center complex.

http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

In response to Conspiracy Smasher and Brent Blanchard’s paper: this paper refers to the “pancake” colapse of the twin towers, and generally ignores the time it took the buildings to fall. Any “pancaking” scenario of colapse would take many times longer for the buildings to colapse than the actual events. This is critically important: #1, #2 and #7 all colapsed at *freefall* speed.
THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THE BUILDINGS ARE BLOWN OUT FROM UNDER THEM.
Simulations of progressive pancake colapse take up to 60 seconds, not 10 or 12 seconds. Mr. Blanchard may be a demolition expert, but he couldn’t pass Physics 1.01.

And Conspiracy Smasher - if you have no knowledge of a subject, you are unfit to debate it.

Anyone who bases their arguments on mainstream news reports, the 9/11 Commission report, or Popular Mechanics and the like should really think about the sources they are citing. Would they hold up in, say, an academic physics or thermodynamics paper?

If the answer to that question is no, it’s back to the drawing board for your argument.

Don’t forget to challenge the official 9/11 myths

Flanders should be congratulated for enquiring into the truth of 911.

My conclusion is that 911 was done by the USA military.

i consider myself somewhere inbetween conservative and liberal, and when a ultra conservative friend of mine told me that the gov. prolly planned and did 9/11 i reacted like most people do, i thought that was complete and utter b.s. however he told me to check out loose change (which i agree is a bad documentary) and 9/11 mysteries(google video). you have to force yourself to think objectively and put all your political ideological beliefs aside and use your own eyes and ears. research it for yourself. and when you do its hard to deny your own common sense. the gov more than likely had a hand in it, however i think that the powers that be on both sides left and right want to suppress this movement because they feel that all of us sheep will loose faith in the system and revolt. im not saying we should revolt but i think peoples perception of reality should not be manipulated. and thats what the mainstreem media is doing.

The burden of proof always falls on the liar, because they cannot prove their lie is true! The 9/11 Commission Report was a Co-ver-up Mission; in no other way could it be that one book would defy the laws of physics to hide a simple and painful truth: there is money in the business of war, and the greedy are willing to spill blood for it. Follow the money-trail and you’ll find the real terrorist. What did Osama bin-Laden have to benefit from the attack, he himself is a business man as much as a religious fanatic. Look at the tape when bin-Laden denounced the 9/11 attacks, and then look at the different person in the tape that affirmed their involvement in the attack; that’s right, different person. O how the ignorant will suffer, and the greedy will reap. This world is on the brink of a new age of enlightenment, where all will be revealed.

WTC 1 and 2 did NOT fall at free-fall speed. This old chestnut has been refuted again and again, but for the record….

Here is the explanation of Thomas W. Eagar and Christopher Musso in the JOM, the journal of The Minerals, Metals and Materials Society (TMS):

The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure (see Figure 5). With a 700 Pa floor design allowable, each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t.

As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been freefall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h. It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.

You can find the entire article here: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

From the “Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories” site, there is clear photograph evidence that there was no “free-fall”:

In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

You can find more here: http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

And for the physics of why the buildings fell as quickly as they did, you can turn to the NIST reports, or to this summary by Manuel Garcia on Counterpunch: http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html

Watch September Clues for the truth.Loose Change is limited hangout propaganda
designed to protect the media which was complicit.There have been exciting developments in exposing the participants in the TV fakery operation such as
Michael Hezarkhani,Devin Clark,Carmen Taylor,Robert Clark and many others.

It is amazing that a Ministry of Truth operative such as yourself should quote Orwell while insisting that 2+2+5.

How about the money trail, the florida flight schools failing the hijackers on cessnas, the terrorists passports found on the streets by the FBI, building 7, the officially accused hijackers speaking out they were thousands of miles away from the impact sites on the next day. How about Mohammed Atta’s ties to the CIA, how about the alleged hijackers drinking alcohol and hiring hookers (not very muslim of them)? What about the thousands of airline pilots who state the flight maneuvers were damn near impossible to fly, how about hundreds of engineers worldwide attesting to the fallacy of the official pancake theory, how about the “Angel is next” threat from undisclosed sources called in to various intelligence agencies worldwide, how about Bush’s strange admission to having seen the first plane hit that morning, how about the reports of then technically impossible phonecalls from the hijacked planes that morning… the list is just huge.. I would very much be interested in what part of your article is high-quality news analysis?

What about the airliners’ registration numbers showing up in active use months after the attacks, what about the strange white plane circling above the whitehouse after all flights were grounded - was it a normal 747? And where was NORAD? How about the coincidental timing of anti-terror drills tying up the entire military apparatus that morning, how about that same coincidence happening in other terror-attacks (say, 7/7 london), how about the usefulness of this event vis-a-vis the neocon agenda, was it about the oil? Was it about curbing civil liberties? How many birds were hit with one stone?

Mr. Carvelle,

You ask a series of rhetorical questions, but I’ll answer them.

I knew 9/11 victims personally, having grown up in the New York suburbs and living in Boston, where some of the flights originated.

To deny that Al Qaeda was behind 9/11, to embrace delusional conspiracy fantasies, and to malign those who apply logic and reason to the tragic events of September 2001 seems to me the true dishonoring of the families.

Jefferson Flanders