Comments on: Jewish artifacts in Vatican catacombs

By: GailgeLass

GailgeLass — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:01:21 +0000

POZ— you are wrong sir. Abraham was a “Jew”, yes “Jew” means from the tribe of Judah; nevertheless, the whole bloodline is HEBREW. Isrealites,Jews,Hebrews: all Hebrew. Now concerning Abraham, yes he was from the tribe of Judah. I refer you to re-read Genesis. I wont say what scriptue it’ll do you some good to study obviously. good day

By: fab

fab — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:19:08 +0000

ahhhh! no doubt ancient Jewish artifact should be returned. except that where should it be returned to very specifically? what building and in charge of whom that they be safe and sound? it is easy to judge and point fingers but tell me: aren’t these artifact religious? and if so, which branch of Judaism should keep them? the government? lay people see them as museum pieces. is there a temple to place them into that the whole world will agree and protect? though it is very significant for the Jews, it also is very significant for all Christians, though not as much perhaps as to have a national identity around it.
i’ll tell you: i do want it to be in Jerusalem on the temple mound where it belongs. but until Israel becomes a solid nation under God and not as a result of man fighting by their own power and to their own Glory, the menorah is much better protected in the catacombs of the vatican fortress, because it is protected with respect and love, though the intrigues and dirt dug out of the vatican power trips may seem to indicate the opposite. yes many priests are biggot, and so are many rabbis and others. so what’s new?
key is: do we have a temple?
the identity of a jew is not in the presence of an object but in the witness of their faith and their union with each other, and their submission to God’s will. until that happens, there will not be a true Israel.
let’s remember that the temple was destroyed because of the civil war between Jews and not by a random act of the Romans. the diaspora happened because the Jews could not be united, could not see eye to eye, did not respect the Law and the prophets, did not submit humbly to God’s will. the Romans had enough with that bunch of Cains and Abels and kicked them out.
it is not that the Catholics are any better, it is just that they are the only ones united enough to keep watch over those things.
perhaps when Israel will show strenght, faith and union that it will be safe for those things to come back home.
where is faith? wherefore is faith?

By: Tyehudah78

Tyehudah78 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:48:06 +0000

POZ is absolutely correct. Abraham was not a Jew. The Jewish nation was created at Mount Sinai when the Torah was transmitted to the Jewish People. However, the Jews AKA Sons of Israel are the progeny of Issac the son of Abraham and specifically Jacob the son of Issac. Arabs are the progeny of Ishmael the child of Abraham and Christians from Esau the son of Jacob. However, it is absolutely undisputed that the Jews, the same nation that currently returned to her Land in Israel, are from the lineage of Jacob. By virtue of the fact that the Pope asked forgiveness for facilitating the slaughter of the Jewish People during the Holocaust from Israel, this essentially proves that he believes the Israelis are in fact the representatives of Jews worldwide. The artifacts stolen from the Temple certainly belong to the Jewish People in Israel. If the Church refuses to return the Jewish artifacts to the Jewish People in Israel Messiah will soon provide all the Jewish possessions in the near future as is promised in Isaiah, Yehezkiel and in numerous other places in the Bible and the Talmud.

By: POZ

POZ — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:53:54 +0000

Abraham was not a JEW. Jew means he is from JUDAH. He was not an offspring of Judah. He was a Hebrew, he crossed over and was a forefather to Judah and to Jacob and Jacob’s other sons.

Judah is in the land, Israels is yet to come into the land. You can call it israel but it is not until the 2 houses unite.

By: markmyword

markmyword — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:53:42 +0000

Michael, You seem to forget that the Christian religion came from the Jewish Religion…Old Testament came before New Testament …and that Abraham was the first Jew…and first person to believe in one G-d. Christianity came long after that as well as the Romans…as well as the Vatican. After all, the Jews built the 2 Temples before the Vatican was created. The Romans plundered Israel and the Jews to stop them from practicing Judaism.

So I think that the Jewish people have a right to their plundered artifacts and history. After all, if Germany and and the private Swiss banks are returning possessions of Jews stolen by the Nazis in WWII, then I think the Vatican can do the same.

By: Michael Doody

Michael Doody — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:37:40 +0000

To whom do these artifacts belong? The State of Israel? The local synagogue? The State of Israel is only sixty years old. How long has the Vatican supposedly had these artifacts. I think I smell anti-Catholicism in this b.s.

By: Vatican at Kaizenlog

Vatican at Kaizenlog — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:45:55 +0000

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By: Nancy Reyes

Nancy Reyes — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 03:35:23 +0000

The Jewish section of Rome is down the hill from the Vatican, next to the river. The fact that it is still there says a lot about the Vatican.

Usually the Vatican allows scholars to search their archives. However, before you wonder why the Vatican is keeping these objects, just remember that if the Vatican hadn’t gone to the time and effort to save these objects they would have been destroyed in one of the many sacks of Rome, or stolen by greedy merchants and melted down for the gold. If the objects had been “returned” to Israel after the fall of the temple but before 1948, they would now be in the hands of the Muslims, and one doubts they would still exist.

A rabbi can’t just go in there and demand these objects. He needs authorization The Israeli government can do it however.
Who is their “rightful” owner? Interesting question. England still owns a lot of Greek and Egyptian artifacts, and the Indians are mad at the Smithsonian.
You could say the same for every object in every museum in the world.