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	<title>Comments on: A Book Review of &#8220;The Irresistible Revolution&#8221; by Shane Claiborne</title>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. I found his book to be quite inspiring. I did find myself going off on a binge for a while, thinking that everyone should go one way. I'd attribute that to my own erring. However, I completely agree with what Josef said about Walker's comment being disturbing. We were never actually called to put success in front of doing God's work. 

The whole idea is that we have no worth outside of what God places in us. So for Claiborne to "pretend that poverty can be eliminated without the return of Christ" is....how very odd...him "living out His will on earth, as it is in Heaven". Huh. Isn't that funny.

Additionally, to flip it around, if we all decided that poverty cannot be eliminated, should we just give up? What exactly is Walker's point? I see no other way about this. 3 choices: 1. Think/Decide nothing can be done/Don't care(lottta people *raises own hand* confession of being a hypocrite, and in need of His help) 2. Decide that nothing can be done, but try anyways, because lots of people are suffering. 3. Live like the God who is saving you cares for everyone, and try to emulate His love.

Jesus points out that we will do even great things than he has done. He never said we wouldn't fail repeatedly in trying, that we would succeed in parts we think aren't useful or relevant, and that we'd think His ways of getting us to where He wants would make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I found his book to be quite inspiring. I did find myself going off on a binge for a while, thinking that everyone should go one way. I&#8217;d attribute that to my own erring. However, I completely agree with what Josef said about Walker&#8217;s comment being disturbing. We were never actually called to put success in front of doing God&#8217;s work. </p>
<p>The whole idea is that we have no worth outside of what God places in us. So for Claiborne to &#8220;pretend that poverty can be eliminated without the return of Christ&#8221; is&#8230;.how very odd&#8230;him &#8220;living out His will on earth, as it is in Heaven&#8221;. Huh. Isn&#8217;t that funny.</p>
<p>Additionally, to flip it around, if we all decided that poverty cannot be eliminated, should we just give up? What exactly is Walker&#8217;s point? I see no other way about this. 3 choices: 1. Think/Decide nothing can be done/Don&#8217;t care(lottta people *raises own hand* confession of being a hypocrite, and in need of His help) 2. Decide that nothing can be done, but try anyways, because lots of people are suffering. 3. Live like the God who is saving you cares for everyone, and try to emulate His love.</p>
<p>Jesus points out that we will do even great things than he has done. He never said we wouldn&#8217;t fail repeatedly in trying, that we would succeed in parts we think aren&#8217;t useful or relevant, and that we&#8217;d think His ways of getting us to where He wants would make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Josef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent review, I think you captured the essential points of the book really well. I also read the review by Shane Walker that Jenette referred too, which is very critical. While Walker does have some points, I'd say the majority of his points confuses what Claiborne is actually talking about. For example, Walker sais about Claibornes book that "The cure for the 'health-and-wealth gospel' appears to be a gospel that confuses salvation by faith alone with the redistribution of wealth to the poor", but I cannot recall Claiborne ever claiming that salvation can be reached through something other than faith alone. Claiborne is talking about his desire to follow Christ as a consequence of his salvation, but in some remarkable way Walker seems to have missed that. Surely Walker can't seariously claim that following Christ should have no impact on our lives? 

Jenette writes that "I felt like the book was incomplete" and that "If everyone lived as Mr. Claiborne [...] who would send them money?". But Claiborne says in the very beginning of his book (In "A little note") that "[t]he point is not to give you all the answers but to stir up some of the questions.". He never claims that everyone should live as he does, that it's wrong to make money or that he has all the answers. In fact, I'd say he sais just the opposite. His book is not about finding the answers as much as it is about asking the questions. 

Walker shatters the respect I had for his review in his last two paragraphs. I find Walker's comment that "Claiborne pretends that [...] poverty can be eliminated without the return of Christ" extremely disturbing. Since when was it a christian value to put success in front of doing what's right? 

I find Claibornes book to be extremely motivating and inspiring. It gives me hope of a church that is alive, and confirms my longing for Jesus to have a greater impact on how I live my life is something real, and not just a hollow dream. 

Thanks for the review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent review, I think you captured the essential points of the book really well. I also read the review by Shane Walker that Jenette referred too, which is very critical. While Walker does have some points, I&#8217;d say the majority of his points confuses what Claiborne is actually talking about. For example, Walker sais about Claibornes book that &#8220;The cure for the &#8216;health-and-wealth gospel&#8217; appears to be a gospel that confuses salvation by faith alone with the redistribution of wealth to the poor&#8221;, but I cannot recall Claiborne ever claiming that salvation can be reached through something other than faith alone. Claiborne is talking about his desire to follow Christ as a consequence of his salvation, but in some remarkable way Walker seems to have missed that. Surely Walker can&#8217;t seariously claim that following Christ should have no impact on our lives? </p>
<p>Jenette writes that &#8220;I felt like the book was incomplete&#8221; and that &#8220;If everyone lived as Mr. Claiborne [&#8230;] who would send them money?&#8221;. But Claiborne says in the very beginning of his book (In &#8220;A little note&#8221;) that &#8220;[t]he point is not to give you all the answers but to stir up some of the questions.&#8221;. He never claims that everyone should live as he does, that it&#8217;s wrong to make money or that he has all the answers. In fact, I&#8217;d say he sais just the opposite. His book is not about finding the answers as much as it is about asking the questions. </p>
<p>Walker shatters the respect I had for his review in his last two paragraphs. I find Walker&#8217;s comment that &#8220;Claiborne pretends that [&#8230;] poverty can be eliminated without the return of Christ&#8221; extremely disturbing. Since when was it a christian value to put success in front of doing what&#8217;s right? </p>
<p>I find Claibornes book to be extremely motivating and inspiring. It gives me hope of a church that is alive, and confirms my longing for Jesus to have a greater impact on how I live my life is something real, and not just a hollow dream. </p>
<p>Thanks for the review.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to the author of this review, I think   I would agree more with the review on this website's page: http://www.9marks.org/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID314526%7CCHID598014%7CCIID2414210,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the author of this review, I think   I would agree more with the review on this website&#8217;s page: <a href="http://www.9marks.org/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID314526%7CCHID598014%7CCIID2414210,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.9marks.org/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID314526%7CCHID598014%7CCIID2414210,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jenette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone lived as Mr. Claiborne and his housemates  do, who would send them money? Who would support all of us righteous poor christians? 

I felt like the book was incomplete. Maybe a good start to some good questions, other questions were loaded. Unlike you I thought it was pretty cutsie. For a good review (better than mine) I suggest looking up "humble resistance", but first read The Irresistible Revolution; it is definitely worth a read, it's just not stunningly profound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone lived as Mr. Claiborne and his housemates  do, who would send them money? Who would support all of us righteous poor christians? </p>
<p>I felt like the book was incomplete. Maybe a good start to some good questions, other questions were loaded. Unlike you I thought it was pretty cutsie. For a good review (better than mine) I suggest looking up &#8220;humble resistance&#8221;, but first read The Irresistible Revolution; it is definitely worth a read, it&#8217;s just not stunningly profound.</p>
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		<title>By: christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 13:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this evaluation. I have just recently discovered this book. A friend is reading it also at the moment. I go to an evangelical Baptist college- my frist real encounter with the Baptists :) though my home church was not too far off. One of my professors is very interested in trying to understand the "emerging" and/or "emergent" church movement. I am going to give him your review and the book. There are those within the movement, or who my college would place under that label who are unbiblical. Casting out the word of God for a Jesus who just doesn't fit with scripture or history. However, this book gives a beautiful and passionate perspective from someone who loves God, loves the word, and loves people. 
Thank you for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this evaluation. I have just recently discovered this book. A friend is reading it also at the moment. I go to an evangelical Baptist college- my frist real encounter with the Baptists <img src='http://www.bloggernews.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> though my home church was not too far off. One of my professors is very interested in trying to understand the &#8220;emerging&#8221; and/or &#8220;emergent&#8221; church movement. I am going to give him your review and the book. There are those within the movement, or who my college would place under that label who are unbiblical. Casting out the word of God for a Jesus who just doesn&#8217;t fit with scripture or history. However, this book gives a beautiful and passionate perspective from someone who loves God, loves the word, and loves people.<br />
Thank you for your thoughts.</p>
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