Among the chief objections made to filmmaker James Cameron’s claim that he may have located the tomb of Jesus is that the names found on the ossuaries were common in that time and place. I wondered a few days ago … how common?
James Dobson’s Focus on the Family cites a Liberty University professor:
But Gary Habermas, a professor at Liberty University who specializes in resurrection research, said finding burial boxes with those names doesn’t establish anything. He told Family News in Focus as many as half of Jewish girls at that time were named Mary, and Jesus was a common name as well.
Half!? Wow!
Professor Ben Witherington, of Asbury Theological Seminary, provides some actual numbers. Of 2625 Palestinian males, the top-10 names were distributed thusly:
1 Simon/Simeon 243 (9.3%)
2 Joseph 218 (8.3%)
3 Eleazar 166 (6.3%)
4 Judah 164 (6.25%)
5 John/Yohanan 122 (4.65%)
6 Jesus 99 (3.8%)
7 Hananiah 82 (3.1%)
8 Jonathan 71 (2.7%)
9 Matthew 62 (2.4%)
10 Manaen/Menahem 42 (1.6%)
Of 328 Palestinian females, the top-4 names were distributed this way:
1 Mary/Mariamne 70 (21.3%)
2 Salome 58 (17.7%)
3 Shelamzion 24 (7.32%)
4 Martha 20 (6.1%)
Now, we aren’t interested in calculating the odds of a particular man named Joseph marrying a particular woman named Mary; what we want to know is what is the likelihood of any man named Joseph marrying any woman named Mary. I’m going to neglect that some of the women named Mary are post-menopausal, and unlikely to be the object of Joseph’s interest. I’m going to neglect, also, that some of the men named Joseph are fat, rowdy beer-drinkers that no sweet young thing would be interested in. And, I’m going to make the extremely improbable assumption that everybody marries.
0.083 x 0.21 = 0.0174, or 1.74%.
Slightly less than 2% of the married couples in Palestine have the names Joseph and Mary.
Next, let’s make the improbable assumptions that …
- All of those marriages yield children, and
- The distribution of male and female children is exactly equal, e.g., 50 male children born for every 50 female children born.
The likelihood of a married couple with the names Joseph and Mary producing a male child is then
0.0174 x 0.5 = 0.0087, or 0.87%.
Slightly less than 1% of the married couples are named Joseph and Mary and have a male son. Now: What is the likelihood that Joseph and Mary will name their male son Jesus?
0.0087 x 0.038 = 0.00033, or 0.033%
As common as the names Joseph, Mary and Jesus are, no more than about 1 in 3000 families is comprised of a husband named Joseph, a wife named Mary, and a son named Jesus. Now, how likely is the son named Jesus to marry a woman named Mary?
0.00033 x 0.21 = 0.0000693, or 0.00693%
The likelihood of a man named Joseph marrying a woman named Mary, that the marriage yields a son named Jesus, who then marries a woman named Mary, is about 1 in 14,430.
Remember, too, that we made some extremely conservative assumptions. That:
- Everybody marries, that all of the males named Joseph, and all of the females named Mary, are in the pool of marital candidates. We know that isn’t true. Some of them are sickly, some of them are downright weird, some of them just don’t like the idea of marriage … on and on.
- That all marriages produce children.
Those assumptions tend to increase the likelihood of a man named Joseph marrying a woman named Mary, that the marriage produces a son named Jesus, and that the son marries a woman named Mary. And we still come up with a likelihood of those names appearing in those relationships of about 1 in 15,000. We know it is actually much smaller.
So I ain’t buying the objection that, Hey!, those names are common.
This doesn’t, I should hasten to add, make Cameron’s case. Are the relationships among the persons in the tomb as Cameron speculates? We don’t know, and too little DNA has been recovered to tell us. Dr. Witherington’s numbers might be wildly wrong. All the analysis does is discount the objection from the professionally-obliged-to-be-critical that the names are common, as if there are probably tombs with that combination of names in those relationships all over the place. No. There are not.















4 users commented in " Figgerin’ the odds at Jesus’ tomb "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackCareron’s Odds are not correct because he based the numbers on one area at one point in time. The numbers should be expanded to the entire region and to a range of about 100 years as there is not exact date rather a range for these tombs. There are other problems with the odds but this is a main one. Do not include the pop. of the city at the time, but the population of the area total for 100 years. so if the pop is 50,000 it should based on more like 5,000,000. This makes the odds not significant. Then there are further issues. Its beyond me how somen people can not see such obvious flaws in his arugments.
BobFelton’s odds are wrong in many ways. The family relations between the bodies (except one) are not known, so the odds are not about whether a Jesus married a Mary, but whether in a group of ten bodies, you would find a Jesus and a Mary. Let’s assume that half are male and half are female. In a group of ten bodies, the probability is 35% (1 - .917^5) that there will be a Jesus, and 67% (1 - .79^5) there is a Mary, giving a 28% chance there is both a Jesus and a Mary. Hundreds of these family tombs are known, so we would expect many dozens of them to have both a Jesus and a Mary. There are many names among the people around Jesus, so you would expect several of these names to randomly appear among the eight other bodies.
I was careful to say that I was looking at the specific relationships proposed by Cameron, and that we don’t know whether that is accurate.
Once upon a time I met and became acquainted with a family of four with the same name configuration as mine. Father - James; Mother - Vicki; Son - Michael ; Daughter - Melissa. Using some data from the website http://www.namestatistics.com and by your calculations, the possibility of that family even existing for me to have met is 1 in 227,648,377 families. Of course that is assuming that all people get married and have at least two children.
I agree that this doesn’t make the Jesus; Mary; Joseph coincidence any more likely, but there is also the cultural tendency to pass names within a family that makes this occurence more likely. This is probably due to a lack of surnames in Hebrew culture. Furthermore, on the topic of surnames, the Jesus we are looking for is Jesus of Nazareth. It was Jesus son of Joseph that was discovered.
As a student of mathematics I do very much appreciate your efforts in discovering the truth. Unfortunately the field of statistics is not valid for determining a truth of this magnitude.
Thank You,
Michael
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