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		<title>By: peterbroady</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points are made here, but I think it's a bit oversimplified, and some details are inaccurate.  For instance, it's just not true that "almost every act of terrorism over the past 20 years was perpetrated by young radical Muslim males".  Look at the most careful scholarly studies that have been done in this area.  Read Robert Pape's book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.  Pape and his collegues have conducted the most extensive research in this area.  Here is Pape in an interview with American Conservative:

"Robert Pape: Over the past two years, I have collected the first complete database of every suicide-terrorist attack around the world from 1980 to early 2004. This research is conducted not only in English but also in native-language sources—Arabic, Hebrew, Russian, and Tamil, and others—so that we can gather information not only from newspapers but also from products from the terrorist community. The terrorists are often quite proud of what they do in their local communities, and they produce albums and all kinds of other information that can be very helpful to understand suicide-terrorist attacks. 

This wealth of information creates a new picture about what is motivating suicide terrorism. Islamic fundamentalism is not as closely associated with suicide terrorism as many people think. The world leader in suicide terrorism is a group that you may not be familiar with: the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.

This is a Marxist group, a completely secular group that draws from the Hindu families of the Tamil regions of the country. They invented the famous suicide vest for their suicide assassination of Rajiv Ghandi in May 1991. The Palestinians got the idea of the suicide vest from the Tamil Tigers.

TAC: So if Islamic fundamentalism is not necessarily a key variable behind these groups, what is?

RP: The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Sri Lanka to Chechnya to Kashmir to the West Bank, every major suicide-terrorist campaign—over 95 percent of all the incidents—has had as its central objective to compel a democratic state to withdraw.

TAC: That would seem to run contrary to a view that one heard during the American election campaign, put forth by people who favor Bush’s policy. That is, we need to fight the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them here.

RP: Since suicide terrorism is mainly a response to foreign occupation and not Islamic fundamentalism, the use of heavy military force to transform Muslim societies over there, if you would, is only likely to increase the number of suicide terrorists coming at us.

Since 1990, the United States has stationed tens of thousands of ground troops on the Arabian Peninsula, and that is the main mobilization appeal of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. People who make the argument that it is a good thing to have them attacking us over there are missing that suicide terrorism is not a supply-limited phenomenon where there are just a few hundred around the world willing to do it because they are religious fanatics. It is a demand-driven phenomenon. That is, it is driven by the presence of foreign forces on the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. The operation in Iraq has stimulated suicide terrorism and has given suicide terrorism a new lease on life."

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html

This is from an acknowledged expert in suicide terrorism; indeed, perhaps the most knowledgable person in the world on the subject.  That doesn't make him right, of course, you have to read his work and judge for yourself.  I do not think those who acknowledge the role of U.S. foreign policy in helping fuel terrorism are mistaken to do so...in fact they may be quite justified.  This doesn't exonerate the terrorists in any way, but might help us decide what we as a nation can do about anti-U.S. terrorism.  I understand that no one wants to see their nation as guilty of helping to create terrorism (sometimes through direct funding, othertimes through unnecessary occupations that bin Laden and more moderate Muslims criticize), but in order to change something, you have to understand it, and if understanding leads (as I tend to think it does) to acknowledging our role, then we ought to do that, painful as it might initially seem.  It is hard to see how oversimplifying in the way these authors do would help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points are made here, but I think it&#8217;s a bit oversimplified, and some details are inaccurate.  For instance, it&#8217;s just not true that &#8220;almost every act of terrorism over the past 20 years was perpetrated by young radical Muslim males&#8221;.  Look at the most careful scholarly studies that have been done in this area.  Read Robert Pape&#8217;s book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.  Pape and his collegues have conducted the most extensive research in this area.  Here is Pape in an interview with American Conservative:</p>
<p>&#8220;Robert Pape: Over the past two years, I have collected the first complete database of every suicide-terrorist attack around the world from 1980 to early 2004. This research is conducted not only in English but also in native-language sources—Arabic, Hebrew, Russian, and Tamil, and others—so that we can gather information not only from newspapers but also from products from the terrorist community. The terrorists are often quite proud of what they do in their local communities, and they produce albums and all kinds of other information that can be very helpful to understand suicide-terrorist attacks. </p>
<p>This wealth of information creates a new picture about what is motivating suicide terrorism. Islamic fundamentalism is not as closely associated with suicide terrorism as many people think. The world leader in suicide terrorism is a group that you may not be familiar with: the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.</p>
<p>This is a Marxist group, a completely secular group that draws from the Hindu families of the Tamil regions of the country. They invented the famous suicide vest for their suicide assassination of Rajiv Ghandi in May 1991. The Palestinians got the idea of the suicide vest from the Tamil Tigers.</p>
<p>TAC: So if Islamic fundamentalism is not necessarily a key variable behind these groups, what is?</p>
<p>RP: The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Sri Lanka to Chechnya to Kashmir to the West Bank, every major suicide-terrorist campaign—over 95 percent of all the incidents—has had as its central objective to compel a democratic state to withdraw.</p>
<p>TAC: That would seem to run contrary to a view that one heard during the American election campaign, put forth by people who favor Bush’s policy. That is, we need to fight the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them here.</p>
<p>RP: Since suicide terrorism is mainly a response to foreign occupation and not Islamic fundamentalism, the use of heavy military force to transform Muslim societies over there, if you would, is only likely to increase the number of suicide terrorists coming at us.</p>
<p>Since 1990, the United States has stationed tens of thousands of ground troops on the Arabian Peninsula, and that is the main mobilization appeal of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. People who make the argument that it is a good thing to have them attacking us over there are missing that suicide terrorism is not a supply-limited phenomenon where there are just a few hundred around the world willing to do it because they are religious fanatics. It is a demand-driven phenomenon. That is, it is driven by the presence of foreign forces on the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. The operation in Iraq has stimulated suicide terrorism and has given suicide terrorism a new lease on life.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html</a></p>
<p>This is from an acknowledged expert in suicide terrorism; indeed, perhaps the most knowledgable person in the world on the subject.  That doesn&#8217;t make him right, of course, you have to read his work and judge for yourself.  I do not think those who acknowledge the role of U.S. foreign policy in helping fuel terrorism are mistaken to do so&#8230;in fact they may be quite justified.  This doesn&#8217;t exonerate the terrorists in any way, but might help us decide what we as a nation can do about anti-U.S. terrorism.  I understand that no one wants to see their nation as guilty of helping to create terrorism (sometimes through direct funding, othertimes through unnecessary occupations that bin Laden and more moderate Muslims criticize), but in order to change something, you have to understand it, and if understanding leads (as I tend to think it does) to acknowledging our role, then we ought to do that, painful as it might initially seem.  It is hard to see how oversimplifying in the way these authors do would help.</p>
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		<title>By: davidschussler</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to you, brother (or sister), Not enough credit is given to the non-Muslims of this world (who are the majority) who do not fear or reject their fellow citizens based on how they look or worship. Even in the face of the terrorist threats which are real, we continue to trust human nature and the desire of most people for peace and harmony. The good Muslims of the world must unite and be vocal and visible to expose the radical elements who are bringing shame and hatred for Islamism. Just and free Muslims must take example from the brave Iraqis who put their lives on the line daily and who live in a such a volatile situation. Like you, Muslims must cowboy up and take a prominent stand now before it is too late. Thanks again for your constant contributions for peace. D.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to you, brother (or sister), Not enough credit is given to the non-Muslims of this world (who are the majority) who do not fear or reject their fellow citizens based on how they look or worship. Even in the face of the terrorist threats which are real, we continue to trust human nature and the desire of most people for peace and harmony. The good Muslims of the world must unite and be vocal and visible to expose the radical elements who are bringing shame and hatred for Islamism. Just and free Muslims must take example from the brave Iraqis who put their lives on the line daily and who live in a such a volatile situation. Like you, Muslims must cowboy up and take a prominent stand now before it is too late. Thanks again for your constant contributions for peace. D.S.</p>
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