Comments on: Barbara Boxer plays the race card http://www.bloggernews.net/13826 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Sun, 27 May 2012 16:24:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: peterbroady http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1242 peterbroady Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:21:54 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1242 I can't speak to Boxer's record, but her point was fairly trivial, and one many people have been making for a while. The people who make war policy don't have sons or daughters fighting in the war, with few exceptions. It's mostly poor and powerless people who fight the wars of the rich and powerful, and that is something that should be brought up, perhaps with more clarity. I can't imagine why Rice would take it as an attack on her feminism, or why if she did she wouldn't easily be able to see why that was a mistake. And racism? That is a stretch. "Boxer seems to think, as many slave owners did, that blacks don’t feel pain, sorrow, fatigue, or other anguish that non blacks do." I can't imagine a more ideologically driven way of missing the point than that statement. Are we going to have a response from the author of this odd piece? I can’t speak to Boxer’s record, but her point was fairly trivial, and one many people have been making for a while. The people who make war policy don’t have sons or daughters fighting in the war, with few exceptions. It’s mostly poor and powerless people who fight the wars of the rich and powerful, and that is something that should be brought up, perhaps with more clarity. I can’t imagine why Rice would take it as an attack on her feminism, or why if she did she wouldn’t easily be able to see why that was a mistake. And racism? That is a stretch. “Boxer seems to think, as many slave owners did, that blacks don’t feel pain, sorrow, fatigue, or other anguish that non blacks do.” I can’t imagine a more ideologically driven way of missing the point than that statement. Are we going to have a response from the author of this odd piece?

]]> By: blueman http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1162 blueman Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:52:06 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1162 The most amazing thing to me is the outragous statements that Ms. Boxer continues to make as an elected official. She has proven repeatedly that if she is not informed on the issues nor intelligent enough to make a cogent agrument for a point of view in virtually any major issue she supports. Every time Boxer is on a commission and has the opportunity to question someone from the opposite side of the political isle she attempts to belittle them by pontificating about how they are bad people who don't care about others, they are unethical, or some other baseless accusation. The 911 commission was a joke with the partisan antics that went on. The hearings for Judges Roberts and especially Ilito was a horrible travisty of partisan nonsense by democrats who would not stand for any of their own behavior if the republicans had ever treated one of their nominees as they did here. I"m not saying the republicans are wonderfull and that we don't have problems in both political parties but cmon. Don't we want puplic officials that are suppose to represent us to do more than pander personal and extreme agendas? Why does any of the questioning by members of these committee's and commission's have to be tolerated when it comes down to personal attacks? In Barbara Boxers case she exemplifies percisely what we don't want and don't need as a representative in the Senate or any other office. She isn't a part of the solution. She is clearly a part of the problem! The most amazing thing to me is the outragous statements that Ms. Boxer continues to make as an elected official. She has proven repeatedly that if she is not informed on the issues nor intelligent enough to make a cogent agrument for a point of view in virtually any major issue she supports.

Every time Boxer is on a commission and has the opportunity to question someone from the opposite side of the political isle she attempts to belittle them by pontificating about how they are bad people who don’t care about others, they are unethical, or some other baseless accusation.

The 911 commission was a joke with the partisan antics that went on. The hearings for Judges Roberts and especially Ilito was a horrible travisty of partisan nonsense by democrats who would not stand for any of their own behavior if the republicans had ever treated one of their nominees as they did here.

I”m not saying the republicans are wonderfull and that we don’t have problems in both political parties but cmon. Don’t we want puplic officials that are suppose to represent us to do more than pander personal and extreme agendas? Why does any of the questioning by members of these committee’s and commission’s have to be tolerated when it comes down to personal attacks?

In Barbara Boxers case she exemplifies percisely what we don’t want and don’t need as a representative in the Senate or any other office. She isn’t a part of the solution. She is clearly a part of the problem!

]]> By: USADemocrat http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1156 USADemocrat Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:49:56 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1156 Are you high? The race card? We all know that Boxer was criticizing all of the people making decisions about war who don't have any family members in harm's way. Those who say otherwise are just bitter right-wingers who are crushed by how quickly and badly their party has fallen from power. Are you high? The race card?

We all know that Boxer was criticizing all of the people making decisions about war who don’t have any family members in harm’s way. Those who say otherwise are just bitter right-wingers who are crushed by how quickly and badly their party has fallen from power.

]]> By: rpence http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1151 rpence Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:37:12 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1151 Republicans are only attentive to feminism when a conservative woman gets put on the defensive. Then, all of a sudden, they provide thrilling displays of feminist consciousness. The critics of Boxer MIGHT have a point if Boxer hadn't also included herself, and her privileges, in her comments to Secretary Rice. In context, it is clear that Boxer's comments were pointed but entirely fair. Unlike the attacks on anyone who has opposed Bush during the last six years. You want to play kind and gentle? Try setting a good example yourselves, which you haven't. The old saying about not throwing stones if you live in a glass house comes to mind. We have a Vice President who hurls obscenities at a U. S. Senator but somehow Boxer's reasonable comment is out of line. Another old saying about getting out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat is relevant. But that came from a Democratic President so I wouldn't expect Republicans to understand its significance. As for this article's balderdash about the race card, laughter is the best medicine and if I were a doctor I'd prescribe this column. Republicans are only attentive to feminism when a conservative woman gets put on the defensive. Then, all of a sudden, they provide thrilling displays of feminist consciousness. The critics of Boxer MIGHT have a point if Boxer hadn’t also included herself, and her privileges, in her comments to Secretary Rice. In context, it is clear that Boxer’s comments were pointed but entirely fair. Unlike the attacks on anyone who has opposed Bush during the last six years. You want to play kind and gentle? Try setting a good example yourselves, which you haven’t.

The old saying about not throwing stones if you live in a glass house comes to mind. We have a Vice President who hurls obscenities at a U. S. Senator but somehow Boxer’s reasonable comment is out of line. Another old saying about getting out of the kitchen if you can’t stand the heat is relevant. But that came from a Democratic President so I wouldn’t expect Republicans to understand its significance.

As for this article’s balderdash about the race card, laughter is the best medicine and if I were a doctor I’d prescribe this column.

]]> By: Bombshelter.org http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1148 Bombshelter.org Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:55:58 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1148 <b>It appears that this Post is "Playing the Race Card" in order to draw in more readers, rather than reflecting true events- descending to hype & diatribe. If you read the actual exchanges between the two VERY POWERFUL women, Boxer was making the point that NEITHER she nor Condi will be losing any children in the continued/expanded WAR. There is NO mention or implication of "race" anywhere, except in the title of this post. If anything, Condi has and will continue to "use the race card" to open opportunities for women, intellectuals, and Americans in her meetings and diplomatic duties, which is GOOD! We need to change half the world who are still living the ethics of two centuries ago, when women were/are PROPERTY. I mean, come on Americans & conservatives-- drop the fierce attitude at this time of unprecedented crisis. If we don't work together now, we are only hastening our descent into terror and barbarism. ALOHA from Mauna Kea Mothership BzB at http://GalaxyGarden.org <a href="http://googlebrain.org" rel="nofollow"></a> It appears that this Post is “Playing the Race Card” in order to draw in more readers, rather than reflecting true events- descending to hype & diatribe.

If you read the actual exchanges between the two VERY POWERFUL women, Boxer was making the point that NEITHER she nor Condi will be losing any children in the continued/expanded WAR. There is NO mention or implication of “race” anywhere, except in the title of this post.

If anything, Condi has and will continue to “use the race card” to open opportunities for women, intellectuals, and Americans in her meetings and diplomatic duties, which is GOOD! We need to change half the world who are still living the ethics of two centuries ago, when women were/are PROPERTY.

I mean, come on Americans & conservatives– drop the fierce attitude at this time of unprecedented crisis. If we don’t work together now, we are only hastening our descent into terror and barbarism.

ALOHA from Mauna Kea Mothership
BzB at http://GalaxyGarden.org

]]> By: Deborah http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1147 Deborah Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:48:35 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1147 Excuse me, but Ms. Boxer was merely expressing what many military families feel--standing up for military families when no one else appears to. People who have no family members in the military know very little about the "sacrifice" military families make. And very little respect comes with that "sacrifice." While my Ohio National Guard son served the entire year of 2005 in Iraq, the cruelest comments came from those whose sons and daughters were safe at home. One such comment was: "better that your son be in Iraq and perhaps die there than to shoot dead 4 college students" (shades of the Kent State shootings where, ironically, students were protesting the Vietnam war). This president and his staff have been mouthing the word "sacrifice" but have NO concept of its meaning. The joke about "sacrifice" from the mouth of this president and his staff has made the rounds of our military family group. And we are sickened by it. Kudos and thanks to Ms Boxer. Excuse me, but Ms. Boxer was merely expressing what many military families feel–standing up for military families when no one else appears to. People who have no family members in the military know very little about the “sacrifice” military families make. And very little respect comes with that “sacrifice.” While my Ohio National Guard son served the entire year of 2005 in Iraq, the cruelest comments came from those whose sons and daughters were safe at home. One such comment was: “better that your son be in Iraq and perhaps die there than to shoot dead 4 college students” (shades of the Kent State shootings where, ironically, students were protesting the Vietnam war). This president and his staff have been mouthing the word “sacrifice” but have NO concept of its meaning. The joke about “sacrifice” from the mouth of this president and his staff has made the rounds of our military family group. And we are sickened by it. Kudos and thanks to Ms Boxer.

]]> By: sarobinson4320 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1146 sarobinson4320 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:24:07 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/13826#comment-1146 I can't believe you're serious. I heard the question Senator Boxer asked. She did not say that Dr. Rice was childless. The senator said, that as she had no immediate family in the war Dr. Rice and Senator Boxer were not "paying the price" for this war. The Senator is correct. In fact, as a nation only those with active duty or soon to be called up family members are "paying a price" for this war. There is nothing in the US that would suggest we are at war. I also must say as a black woman I am outraged at the attempt to make Senator Boxer's comments racial. While she could have been more articulate in expressing herself, there was nothing in her comments that denoted racism. In fact, I think you may be showing your biases in your comment. At the end of the day, the Iraq war was a mistake, marked by incompetence and arrogance. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. That is exactly what the administration is doing. God help America and Iraq. I can’t believe you’re serious. I heard the question Senator Boxer asked. She did not say that Dr. Rice was childless. The senator said, that as she had no immediate family in the war Dr. Rice and Senator Boxer were not “paying the price” for this war. The Senator is correct. In fact, as a nation only those with active duty or soon to be called up family members are “paying a price” for this war. There is nothing in the US that would suggest we are at war.

I also must say as a black woman I am outraged at the attempt to make Senator Boxer’s comments racial. While she could have been more articulate in expressing herself, there was nothing in her comments that denoted racism. In fact, I think you may be showing your biases in your comment.

At the end of the day, the Iraq war was a mistake, marked by incompetence and arrogance. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. That is exactly what the administration is doing. God help America and Iraq.

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