Unless you have a cynical mind, (or have been trained to question authority) you might agree with this article in the AMA News:
Aggressive end-of-life care for Medicare dialysis patients is pervasive
Hospitalization, ICU admissions and feeding tubes are common. Nephrology guidelines call for advance planning and advise caution in elderly dialysis.
The article goes on to lament that old folks on dialysis get too much medical care, even though “surveys” show few of them (they quote 15% of those 75 or older)Â live five years on the dialysis machine.
The problem? they morph these “older” patients with those who are younger (say only a chipper 60 years) but have their dialysis covered by Medicare. Then they ignore the problem of “comorbidity” (other things wrong about you).
Many of these people are diabetics, so end up dying of heart attacks, infections or strokes, not their kidney problems. Remember this when I get to the study below.
Of course, there are arguments not to start dialysis on someone with a long history of Diabetes that has already resulted in a leg amputation, diabetic caused blindness, and a bad heart.
Often dialysis in this case is only prolonging the dying process.
Yet for some, it means not living longer, but living more comfortably, without the air hunger, cramps, and lassitude/depression of chronic renal failure.
And then there are those who do well: they may have only one leg and are half blind, but they still enjoy life. I’ve seen patients like this who happily chose to have dialysis and live for years.
So the article is dishonest. Here is one “comparison”:
Nearly 80% of Medicare patients on dialysis were hospitalized in the 30 days before death and spent twice as many days in the hospital as patients dying of cancer, said a research letter published April 23 in Archives of Internal Medicine…
Uh, wait a second. This is comparing “apples and oranges”.
How many of those cancer patients were “terminal” and sent home to die, or were admitted to the hospital for care, and then died when the treatment was stopped as “futile”?
And how many times have the patients on dialysis recovered because the docs treated them aggressively in the ICU etc.?
This study shows quite a few patients with chronic kidney failure actually didn’t die.
Overall, our observations on mortality are congruent with those of previous studies examining the effect of ESRD in a more general ICU population (5–12). These studies reported crude ICU mortality rates for ESRD ranging from 14% to 52.6%, bracketing our estimate of 22%. Three of these studies (5,9,15) also performed adjustment for case mix and illness severity and reported a similarly large attenuation of the association between ESRD status and death after adjustment, with adjusted ORs ranging between 0.9 and 1.25. These values lie within the confidence limits of the estimates in the study presented here (Table 3).
Translation: three out of four of them lived.
True, they might die of the infection/heart attack despite ICU treatment, but unlike the cancer patients, they were treated, and therefore they had a better chance to recover: because they were not terminal (emphasis mine).
Often the dialysis patient who has pneumonia will be placed on a breathing machine because they have a chance to recover from the pneumonia with the treatment. Ditto for CPR: Often their heart might become irregular due to a treatable electrolyte imbalance, so CPR is warranted.
Yet the American Medical News report just ignores that treatment might let these people live:
“It’s really a shame that these elderly patients go through such intensive, aggressive treatment, and I’m sure they suffered more because of that rather than being comfortable and dying at home,†said Alvin H. Moss, MD, a Morgantown, W.Va., nephrologist and palliative medicine physician who did not participate in the study.
Wait a second:you give folks a choice, treatment and suffering but dying anyway, or dying comfortably.
What about those 75% who would live thanks to the treatment? Nope. No mention of them here.
Dr. Moss is pushing hospice use for these patients.
“. ..The hospice use for cancer patients is above the national average, and people are more accepting of the fact that cancer patients might be referred to hospice. What most people don’t realize is that most dialysis patients are sicker than cancer patients.â€
Fine. But you know, if you dialyzes them, they aren’t sicker at all.
Indeed, they aren’t “terminal”. True, they often die of other diseases, but if you do it right, they don’t die of their kidney failure.
Can one treat many cases of kidney failure “conservatively”? Yes.I’m old enough to remember when we did that all the time.
But the dirty little secret is that it is a miserable way to die. They have to stay on a strict diet, they keep coming into the ER at 4 am not able to breathe because they ate something salty and their lungs filled with fluid, and they were often depressed and wanted to die because they feel so lousy.
And you know what? When we started to dialyze them, voila, they felt so good they change their mind about dying and started again to live.
Of course, in many cases, you can still treat a person with moderate renal failure without dialysis, and indeed we do so all the time. It’s not an “all or nothing” disease.
But why is it that I suspect that this has more to do with cost control than with the welfare of the patient?
You see, in Obamacare, you follow “scientific guidelines”.This quote from bioethicist WesleyJSmith in First Things explains what this means:
The Medical Intelligentsia is bound and determined to devolve medicine into a technocracy. A professional practices medicine, providing optimal care to each patient as individuals. A technocrat is a service provider who provides consumers with medical care according to check lists and rules created by bureaucrats and “expertsâ€â€“and does so in the context of perceived or imposed duties to general society.
Yes, and that itself shows the problem. It’s the “quality of life” issue again.
The dialysis guideline says physicians should conduct advance care planning and not use dialysis for patients with no decision-making capacity. Nephrologists should “consider forgoing dialysis†for patients with end-stage renal disease who are 75 or older and have many serious co-morbidities, significantly impaired functional status or severe chronic malnutrition, the guideline says.
Heh. I thought this was about patient “choice”, but now they say Nephrologists should be making the decision?
Why have “experts” make the decision (or pressure you to make the correct decision)?
It’s like this Time Magazine article lamenting that Blacks in America get too much medical care at the end of life. Time calls this “unwanted care” but the dirty little secret is that many want this type of care.
They might see stopping care or giving a lot of pain medicine to their family member a way to deliberatly kill the patient.
They might remember the Tuskegee, Guatamala or Red Lake studies where minorities were used as guinea pigs by the medical establishment.
They also might see life as being in the hands of the deity, so would hesitate to second guess him or her by refusing treatment that would prolong their lives.
So when the authors mention that trying to talk you out of dialysis should be part of the six hours of “advice” paid for by Medicare for patients planning to start dialysis, this might not solve the problem.
In the medical profession, you take care of patients. Yes, we know the statistics, but we also know that sometimes patients who should die just live on and on, while those who should live die despite everything we do.
When we interact with a patient, we don’t see the statistics, but people.
And believe me, I won’t have extraordinary care for myself, but I am very very suspicious at the push to explain why we docs need to make people dead, while articles explaining why we should help them to live are few and far between.
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articles cited in the American Medical News Article:
“Treatment Intensity at the End of Life in Older Adults Receiving Long-term Dialysis,†Archives of Internal Medicine, April 23 (archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/172/8/661/)
“Invited Commentary — Can We Begin With the End in Mind? End-of-Life Care Preferences Before Long-term Dialysis,†Archives of Internal Medicine, April 23 (archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/172/8/663)
“American Society of Nephrology: Five Things Physicians and Patients Should Question,†Choosing Wisely (choosingwisely.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/5things_12_factsheet_Amer_Soc_Neph.pdf)
“Shared Decision Making in the Appropriate Initiation of and Withdrawal from Dialysis, 2nd edition,†Renal Physicians Assn., October 2010 (www.renalmd.org/catalogue-item.aspx?id=682)
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Nancy Reyes is a retired physician living in the rural Philippines. She has worked most of her life with minority patients who didn’t trust the medical establishment, and has seen many incidents to confirm why the patients might be right.
















4 users commented in " Killing Grannie: The Dialysis Problem "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI work on the front lines of the dialysis world as a registered nurse. I see the success and failures of my community. It should be the patient’s choice, family should be involved, and the doctors willing to listen and inform. The majority of our patients do quite well with dialysis and we have many over the 75 years of age at out unit.
It is a slippery slope when we start taking on a “cut off” of any age, or condition with which to withhold treatment. I do not want my physicians to be pushed into such a role. They are there to preserve life and care for human beings, not a statistic.
Excellent insight and clarity. Helped me to order my thoughts. I work as an RN in a chronic clinic. Thanks.
Nancy Reyes is clouded by her emotions and lack of experience with the complex world of the ESRD (End Stage Renal Disease) patient. I manage a hospital dialysis unit. The CDN stands for Certified Dialysis Nurse. I have worked in both in patient and out patient settings. Most of her position is derived from 2 misconceptions. First, She states “if you dialyze them they aren’t sicker at all”. Tell that to the dialysis patient who experiences general malaise (medical term for feeling crappy all over), joint pain, extreme fatigue, poor appetite, constant thirst, brittle nails and hair,thinning hair,decreased sex drive, nausea, diarrhea, swelling/fluid retention, headaches,etc. I could go on for much longer but I think I’ve made my point. These are the symptoms our patients deal with EVERY DAY even though are dialyzed, do comply with their Drs orders and do TRY to have a life. Those who are not compliant will experience even more misery. To say they are “not sicker” than some cancer patients ignores the incredible obstacles and discomfort they experience.
Second,she goes on to state that “Indeed they aren’t terminal,true they often die of other diseases but if you do it right, they don’t die of their kidney failure” While they do usually die of cardiac events, the majority of those cardiac events were brought on by the complications of ESRD. To say they don’t die of their kidney failure is like saying a lung cancer patient who contracted the cancer from smoking didn’t die from smoking, he died from lung cancer. You simply can not separate the two.
Dialysis only replaces apx 25% of normal kidney function. We can slow down the progression of the disease but we can not stop it. How quickly it advances is determined by multiple factors.
It is in the patients best interest to discuss what they will want for those final days-whenever they come- with both their family and physician. It is important that as a society we accept the patients wishes and not go against them when they get to the point that they cannot answer for themselves. When I say cannot I do not limit that to the patient who is sedated or in a coma. An elderly patient will often submit to the pressures of the family, if for no other reason than to help ease their loved ones emotional pain…at the expense of their own physical pain. Even with the best nurses and doctors caring for the patient, the family needs to understand that the dialysis procedure is very hard on the patient. The more the patient struggles to breath from fluid overload,the more aggressive the treatment has to be. This can cause the patient incredible suffering. Frequently we see the family argue over the patient. Some want to follow the patients wishes to not prolong the stuggle, others say they are being heartless by “letting grandma die” and should continue.
The author was addressing this problem but Nancy missed the point. She quotes the original article; “nearly 80% of Medicare patients on dialysis were hospitalized in the 30 days before death…” She goes on to question “and how many times have the patients on dialysis recovered because the doctors treated them aggressively in the ICU”. What part of “30 days before death” did Nancy miss? The patients died. He is comparing ESRD patients that died and cancer patients that died.
Due to the wonderful work of the Hospice organizations and caregivers, our society has learned how to both allow and assist their loved ones to face the death process with dignity and comfort. We should not deny the ESRD patient those same rights simply because we do not understand the disease progression and fear those who do open the dialogue are simply driven by financial motives.
In conclusion, there must be a balance of logic and emotion. Logic acknowledges that 20% of the Medicare patients (ESRD patients) use up 80 % of the Medicare budget. This IS NOT SUSTAINABLE! How can we address this? By accepting that dying from ESRD is an inevitable fact. Therefore,we must discuss with the patient as to what their wishes are. Once that is established the family must follow the patient’s wishes. It is their journey- not the family’s. If we do this then the money that is saved from unreasonable aggressive end of life treatment can be used to keep our system going where a person isn’t denied dialysis simply due to age (as it is in other countries).
Emotion dictates we listen to the patient. We stay at the patients side and support them through that journey.
It angers me that I the end it all comes down to money!!! DR’s stuffing there pockets full. Hey here’s an IDEA… how about finding ways to reduce the cost associated with ESRD so that it doesn’t consume 80% of the Medicare budget?!?!? What happened to people in the medical profession wanting to see there patients live, no matter what there quality of life??? How much $$$ do these DR’s really need to earn??? This is what is wrong with people… if you live a comfortable life style and are able to provide more than enough for your family… what does that monstrous bank account get you when its your time to go???? NOTHING
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