I was talking to Peter Hyatt yesterday about the Tiffany Hartley case and he pointed me to an article that he had written titled ‘A Scam Gone Wrong‘. It is not often that I disagree with Peter, but in this case I immediately responded with “How do you know it is not a scam gone right”?
I am not a professional investigator, my playground for over three decades was the wonderful (and I use that word loosely) world of computers. I am closer to Mr. Spock than Dr. Spock!
For many years a major part of my work involved what might be called ‘Logic Forensics’. A large scale system would crash, my job was to find the reason why. A bit like the NTSB investigating an aircraft failure I had a ‘black box’, in my case it was a cardboard box with a 1000 pages of 11 x 14 green bar fanfold paper containing the final moments. To add an element of challenge, the entire thing was in Hexadecimal (Base 16). This was all about logic, computers do not commit crimes of passion, they merely perform tasks that humans ask them to.
Si ingrained in me is the logic search that I subconsciously apply it to crime cases. The ‘death’ of David Hartley is a case in point. It defies logic the way it is being described by the only eye witness Tiffany Hartley.
I am sure that both the US and Mexican authorities are way ahead of me on this, but I would imagine they are asking the same questions and making the same observations. In fact as far as I can tell Mexico has all but said that they do not buy Tiffany Hartley’s version of events. The US authorities may well share the same beliefs, but for good reasons prefer to remain somewhat silent.
The Mexico US border is a problematic zone. Some might even view it as the third war zone that the US are fighting on. The drug cartels are prepared to go to almost any length to get their product to the lucrative US markets. At this stage, for political and PR reasons it makes sense for LE to play along with the Tiffany Hartley version.
My major logic beef in the Tiffany Hartley story is where is the Jet Ski? Oh, and where is the body of the supposedly dead David Hartley?
But there are many other logic issues. I have a friend who is involved in the war on drugs, at the behest of the US government he spends most of his time in Central and South America, his home though is in the southern part of Texas. When in the US he is a regular panelist on a radio series that I host. He has explained the danger of the border area on numerous occasions. So the question becomes, why on earth would you go Jet Skiing in a war zone?
Why was David Hartley killed, yet his wife was not? The drug cartels are not known for compassion!
When you take the ‘facts’ as we are being fed, and apply some logic to them. They do not work. Much like my happy years spent buried in hexadecimal core dumps, I start to look for logical explanations of the events.
My first thoughts were that it was drug deal gone bad. Could the Hartley’s have been ‘mules’? This theory does not make sense. Why kill only one of them? And we are back to, where is that damn Jet Ski?
Peter Hyatt using Statement analysis, and Dr. Lillian Glass using Body Language analysis, are both certain that Tiffany Hartley is hiding something. But what could the real story be?
I ask myself the question, is David Hartley alive? Did he get shot, or is there another fork in the road of this story? Again I ask, where is that damn Jet Ski?
Could this be an organized disappearance? There are reasons other than a life insurance scam that a person might wish to drop out of sight. I could certainly be wrong. But it makes me wonder. I keep asking myself where is that damn Jet Ski?
Peter Hyatt seems to have some valid ideas. Check out his web site, and listen in to his next radio program on the subject.
Simon Barrett














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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackHere is what I think. David and Tiffany were going to make a drug deal. A big deal that would net them a great deal of cash after they sell. The whole bit about the conversation they had regarding “what if they got kidnapped” probably did happen. They probably discussed what to do and probably discussed what to say should one of them get taken or killed. I am guessing Tiffany hung way back and watched with binoculars. David told her that if anything happened to go with a “pirates chased us down” story(that is provided she made it out.) He probably had a boat load of cash to buy a boat load of drugs and was killed for the cash and the jet ski. Tiffany was far enough away to get away. otherwise there is no explanation for her being spared. The drug lords probably never really saw her or if they did, they thought she was the police.
At first when I heard the breaking news, I thought no way! I am still looking over the info coming out like the beheaded lead detective on the case. I am not sure what to believe right now.
Hey Simon, glad to see you writing again. I sure have missed you and Jan.
I’m amazed legitimate newspeople like Anderson Cooper are giving this any weight.
She’s obviously lying, has been from the start, and the news media is going along with it. They’re going to look like total idiots when it comes out she killed him.
Good morning. It bothers me that she only says wierd things about her husband. “He was so BIG” and “He really loved me.” Not the things I felt when I lost my husband.
Something doesn’t add up. I even wonder if the account of the beheaded investigator is for real. What, no leaked photos of the head? Wouldn’t that be played up right about now to show the world that the Mexican Falcon Lake Cartel means business?
I did wonder if that version of events was created to gauge Tiffany’s reaction. On t.v. at least, when speaking of it, she had that same lack of affect regarding this investigator that she had met and spoken to, as she had regarding her husband’s disappearance/shooting/murder. I mean, I didn’t even catch a stifled sob, a choked word, or see body language suggestive of a grieving wife or of a woman saddened to learn of someone else’s demise, as a result of trying to help her. Didn’t see it.
You know, she may just be the most stoic wife EVER; she could also be in deep shock; maybe these events are keeping her sane and give her a sense purpose while looking for him.
But I don’t totally buy it, or discount it in totality either. Does anyone know if they had weighty financial obligations?
Simon,
Could you hoist a Jet Ski onto a boat?
The land (behind the Church), is there a route
for escape, a path or a road for travel?
I have my doubts,David, would put his parents through this agony, but, you never know. Desperate people do desperate things.
A LDT should be given to Tiffany, especially,
after she giggled, saying, she wanted evidence
for Davids body. What is funny about that? Unless, he isn’t dead.
My theory is that Tiffany Hartley paid “Mexican Pirates” to kill her husband and that perhaps they were thinking about killing her as well. I base this on what she said about how “they” were “deciding what to do with her”. You know she is lying because she keeps stumbling over her own words and she speaks as if she is trying to convince herself of the lies she is telling. In an interview with Lester Holt of Msnbc he asked her how she felt about there possibly being suspects in the case and she appeared to be shocked that there could be any suspects and then answered matter of factly saying something like well we just want to get David back. Also when she is trying to convince everyone that she is telling the truth she says things like “We” don’t have any proof so that’s why people might not believe “us” Who is we and us? And as for that poor investigator, I feel that someone wanted him silenced. This is bigger than we know and I believe that little Miss Tiffany Hartley is right in the middle of it.
What would happen physically, if someone traveling at a very high rate of speed were shot in the neck and flew off the jet ski? Aren’t you tethered to the ski? She hasn’t described anything remotely realistic about that. She also said if they don’t find his body, she will fight to “secure the border.” Not, “I will stay here until they do find his body!” or” I won’t give up until we find out what happened to him…” The flippin’ border???
She probably killed him someplace on the Mexican side of the border where she figures no one will dare to go look for him, or even at their home. She’s already gotten too much attention, she won’t be able to pull it off.
I have read the above comments and since there is no “like” icon, I just want to say that I like all of the above comments and theories and after further analysis, I am leaning more towards the scam or hostage for insurance money theory. The latest on this story is that Tiffany Hartley has given Mexican authorities a 2nd statement as to what happened to her husband on the Mexican side of Falcon Lake…hmmm can’t wait to hear it!
Tiffany Hartley is the best liar the planet can get.
She is the one who killed her husband and is using a fabricated story that the husband was killed on the Mexican water.
She knows that there is a Mexican drug war in that Country so nobody from the United State will be able to investigate in their water.
So, this is the perfect crime…. don’t you think????
Please, start looking on the US side and you may find the body.
Unless she dumped the body and she arranged the jet-ski to sank in the Mexican water.
I don’t believe in her story… it doesn’t make sense.
This woman is evil.
She’s looking for sympathy and fame.
Well, glad to see others beside myself think this woman is a psychopath. I think she is lying through her teeth. I think she shot him (thus the spot of blood on her life vest). Not a load of blood as it would be if she tried to pull him onto her jet ski. Hmmm. Anyway, this ‘stranger’ who says he witnessed some of this…who is that? Maybe her new lover? Maybe he has the jetski somewhere?
Whatever…the whole thing is a total fabrication in my opinion. I think she has future plans with another man somewhere and is just biding her time till she gets the insurance money.
I sure hope they catch her quick when she slips up even more!
If an investigator was beheaded, indirectly due to her fabrications, then she should be held accountable for his death too.
She is way to obvious…her, Misty and Casey could all be cell buddies.
You are all a bunch of fools. Once the Mexicans found out they killed an American and seen her get away don’t you think there would be a possibility the pirates would want to get rid of the evidence? I mean an investigator gets his head cut off and you still don’t think there is anything to her story? You all including the writer of this article are weird, probably why only 11 people have commented up until now.
Pirates threaten Boats on Mexico U.S. border lake
May 29, 2010 09:23 PM EDT
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978266888
The Real Story Behind The U.S. – Mexico Border Murder Of David Hartley
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/david-hartley-murder-2010-10#ixzz12qs8fy5H
The Arizona Law: Mexican Drug Cartels Threaten Mexican Democracy – Leading Politician Assassinated – Obama’s Inaction Threatens American Security
http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/the-arizona-law-mexican-drug-cartels-threaten-mexican-democracy-leading-politician-assassinated-obamas-inaction-threatens-american-security/
This situation on the border has been going on, and the cartels have been killing high public officials in Mexico, so David Hartley was a walk in the park.
“As with any conflict involving Los Zetas, there is a certain protocol when dealing with deceased targets, which typically involves disposing of the body promptly to ensure no evidence can be brought against the group or its members, though frequently they will leave bodies, dump them or use them — or parts of them — as messages (like the head of Flores Villegas)”
A Mexican investigator getting his head cut off does not make a lying Tiffany Hartley any more
believable. No.
Oct. 18th
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Tiffany-Hartley-Spends-Day-Speaking-with-Mexican/6OWRwTv8RkOEg-0Te-UO6w.cspx
Tiffany-
We`re not going anywhere until David is home.
Oct. 20th
Moving day video:
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=528748
“God just told her it was time to go home,” Tiffany’s mother, Cynthia Young, said. “The other night we were up most of the night praying and that’s what she got. She just decided God was telling her that it was time for her to go home and when David’s found, we’ll come back.”
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mexico/tiffany_hartley_says_its_time_to_go_home_105362188.html
Hi. Interesting points from everyone. So I just read she is leaving for Colorado (as the comment just above me documents)where she says they were supposed to move after this trip to the lake. Why move after 5 years in Mexico, to only stay 3 months where she is now, to then jump to Colorado?
She says her husband would want her to move on. Okay after 3 weeks? Women take longer to pick out their wedding dresses than she is taking to get over “the love of her life.”
It seems to me after the 8 hour talk with Mexican police she decided it’s getting a little too hot, perhaps too close to the truth.
The wife says the Mexican Police “NOW” know everything? Why didn’t they know everything she had to say that first day? Or at least in the time since?
She says she will not leave the Valley until he is found. Oh no wait “god” told me to go so I am.
She says this should be the end of their questions. Seems to be very dismissive. Sure, as she has said repeatedly in these last weeks, she just wants to move on. Even to go so far as saying on HLN with JVM that if these alleged killers give up David’s body, or where to find him, or proof that he is dead (which she already insisted he was) she’ll just let the murder thing go so the murderers can go on and she can go on and then LAUGHS. Well I guess that’s because they were such “nice” murderers who waved to the couple before the “attack” and just let her go after….
I really hope the police will offer a lie detector test because the fact she did not jump to take one to clear any suspicions of her so they could pursue the “real killer” is very telling. She has said she might, if she has to, if it comes down to that. It would be a ridiculously easy thing to do if you have nothing to hide. You’ll do anything for your husband except take a lie detector, go to answer questions and look at photos in Mexico, stay where he died more than a few weeks, etc.
Next why haven’t the police already taken their computers, cell phone records? These are usually a treasure trove of info about what they were doing before the lake trip. I really hope they have before they mysteriously disappear too.
Where are the cameras? They were using both hands on their Jet Skis right? So that means they must have had cameras around their wrists or necks? Or where? Was there one or two cameras? Perhaps these boats where caught on film.
Does she tell the 911 operator he is injured, dead, shot, or what?
The odd way she says to the 911 operator “but he’s on the Mexican side” in a small voice suddenly seems like she thinks so you can’t look for him, but didn’t bargain for them doing that, it surprises her. Check her computer searches for can a US body be retrieved from Mexican side of lake, etc.
In an interview with Greta VS she says twice that she was on a boat. First time corrects herself and says Jet Ski, then says it again something like the boat came up to my boat. Okay…. They need to ask way more about that in case it’s not just a multiple slip but more truth. The unidentified guy who witnessed her on the jet ski said there were lots of people around so how is it he was the only one who saw her screaming and racing for her life under a hail of gunfire? This male witness also says he did NOT hear any of this gunfire.
Did she call the police from this guy’s phone or her own? If she had a cell phone with her on the water couldn’t she have called 911 as soon as they thought they were in trouble or after he was shot, etc.? So many things that are glaringly left out of this story.
Is there a way to test this microscopic drop of blood they found to see if it indeed came from his head or say a drop from his finger to stage him being injured or dead? Also would it show if the blood was from a live or dead person?
It seems that they/she went out of their way to be seen going on this trip David supposedly planned without renewing the license they needed to go out on the lake with Jet Skis so that they were pulled over? Seems a strange thing to leave out. Who was driving the vehicle and spoke to the cops who pulled them over her or David?
Of course there are people who want to side with this women despite how odd her comments and behavior is. If she was innocent she is handling this extremely, abnormally well and so our comments on the internet wouldn’t bother her a bit. Nobody wants to be seen as cruel for doubting someone in a case like this, but on the other hand it’s why people who do things like this then pull the poor widow and god cards, etc. get away with it.
It is her husband David’s family and David who I feel sorry for, even if they did doubt her story it is a horrible thing for them to deal with thinking she could have done this. They were so upset about the beheaded investigator, sobbing, yet Tiffany Hartley seemed mostly indifferent to that horrible news too saying it was too bad he seemed nice with that same blank stare, dead voice.
She says it is about David yet everything she says is mostly all about her. How could people think she’s guilty she says and gets annoyed and defensive. Did she really think she wouldn’t be the first person they suspect? That is by the book police work, you first investigate the last people seen with them, the person who finds the body, the immediate family, girlfriends, boyfriends, etc. Then they move out from there. So you give them everything the police need to get you out of the way to focus on real suspects. You don’t change your story, leave out info, or spend time on tv getting your 15 minutes of fame.
I really hope the police don’t let her leave the area without getting everything they can as far as evidence. As an innocent, grieving widow she should be more than willing to offer all of that to them, but I’m guessing she won’t….
I do not believe Tiffany’s story. I am from Texas and am very aware of the drug wars and violence near our border with Mexico.
There have been many Americans killed in Mexico over the past several years; especially in the border towns. There are even warnings to U. S. citizens about going to Mexico. I have friends that have cancelled vacations to the fine resort areas of Mexico such as the Pacific coast, Cancun and Cozumel.
There is a lot of corruption in Mexico’s government, law enforcement, military, etc. and has been for many, many years. There is corruption in some of Texas’ law enforcement in the border towns of Texas.
There is no way pirates would have let Tiffany get away on a jet ski. The part of her story about she tried to save her husband but had to flee or whatever the lie is . . . . just does not work for me.
There is no way pirates would let her get away on a jet ski. You can be assured the pirates are not in a flat bottom boat with a 5 to 20 horsepower engine. They would operate in a boat with high speed capability and certainly could outrun a jet ski.
Just my opinion!
Juliette said,in October 18th, 2010 at 5:00 am
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Agree with you Juliette!
If Tiffany has followed the violence, drug wars and gang violence in Mexico, I think she concocted her story accordingly.
For the lighter side . . . .
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/10/falcon_lake_casting_the_inevit.php
Houston Press Houston, Tx 10-19-10
Crime
“Falcon Lake: Casting The Inevitable Lifetime Movie”
This article is from a newspaper in a Texas town that borders with Mexico:
http://www.themonitor.com/articles/home-43745-mcallen-missing.html
The Monitor McAllen, Tx
10-20-10 9:14 p.m. CDT
“Missing American’s family heads home”
This article is from a TV station in a Texas border town:
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Pirate-Attack-Victim-Leaves-the-Valley/jtsk5d5S8UipUuqQdaEaTQ.cspx
KRGV Weslaco, Tx
10-20-10 7:25 p.m. CDT
“Pirate Attack Victim Leaves the Valley”
Here is a video interview with Tiffany regarding the above article:
http://www.krgv.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=169795@krgv.web.entriq.net
KRGV Weslaco, Tx
10-20-10 6 P.M. News
This is an example of how the Mexicans involved in violence in Mexico do not care who they kill.
Ciudad Juarez, Mexico is across the border from
El Paso, Tx.
I also saw this on a local Houston TV station – 10 P.M. News.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7256662.html
The Houston Chronicle Houston, Tx
10-20-10 10:18 p.m. CDT
“Texas National Guardsman killed in Ciudad Juarez”
This article has some interesting stats. For those not familiar with the border violence and violence within Mexico, you will find this article informative.
Several pictures are in the article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322302/Female-student-20-police-chief-Mexicos-violent-towns.html?ITO=1490
Daily Mail.com United Kingdom 10-20-10
“Toughest job in the world: Woman, 20, becomes police chief in one of Mexico’s most violent border towns… because no one else will do it”
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My comment: I think Tiffany is aware of the border violence and I bet she thought up the idea to blame the Mexican pirates. She and her husband were living in a Texas border town. She’d have to been living under a rock to not know about the violence or else she is an imbecile.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019858-504083.html
CBS News – Crimesider
“David Hartley Update: Police Questioned American Tourist’s Wife for Eight Hours”
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Snipped from the above article:
Tiffany says they were on their way back to the U.S. after photographing a historic Mexican church when pirates in boats opened fire on them, shooting her husband. She says she tried to help her husband, but had to flee because they kept shooting.
David is alive. Even if it was a marital relationship gone bad, David’s sister and mother would be in serious grief if he were in fact shot in the head. The sister’s high pitched voice came across not as grief stricken but as trying to be grief stricken. David’s mother is even worse and did you notice she says, “he was just trying to help his country”. What does that mean?
If they lived in Mexico at one time wouldn’t they have friends that could hide David? We will be seeing David again in Colorado.
I expect to see this story on an episode of “Snapped” next season.
I just read where a reenactment was done on Falcon Lake on Tuesday.
This is an excellent article by Dr. Lillian Glass. I agree with her!
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/does-tiffany-hartley%e2%80%99s-body-language-facial-and-vocal-tells-indicate-deception/
Dr. Lillian Glass Body Language Blog
“Does Tiffany Hartley’s Body Language, Facial and Vocal Tells Indicate Deception?”
S. said,in October 21st, 2010 at 2:00 pm I just read where a reenactment was done on Falcon Lake on Tuesday.
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Hi, S.
Where did you read this? Was this reported by main stream media or a comment by a blogger?
Please provide a Link or indicate where this can be found. I am following this case closely and I have not seen anything about a reenactment reported by main stream media.
As volatile as the situation is at the Mexico/Texas border including the border in waterways, this really surprises me.
I find it hard to believe that Law Enforcement on either side would put human life at stake. That is how volatile the situation is at our border with Mexico.
Personally, I think Tiffany is trying to put the blame on the Mexican pirates since there has been a volatile situation at our border with Mexico for a very long time. There is a drug war going on in Mexico and has been for a long, long time.
The latest:
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=159602&catid=339
9News Denver, CO
10-23-10 (1 hour ago)
“Wife of murdered jet skier returns to Colo.”
You people out there are real sick, Tiffany is just another excuse you have for not accepting the truth. There is a real problem with the cartels in Mexico…either we address it now, or maybe we will have to fight a all out war with Mexico
Brian Lawliss
Kansas City, MO
Sorry Brian but it’s not that people don’t know about the cartels, pirates, etc. or don’t accept that’s true. The problem people have is with a woman who behaves oddly, has an odd story, and expects people should just believe it, and let her “get on” with her life. What is there to prove what she says is true? These cartels are so bloodthirsty that they just let her go after killing her husband and seeing their faces? No way. Just like the woman who threw acid in her own face and claimed “a black woman” did it. Using the border issue to cover for a probable murder or insurance scam just causes more damage and makes a joke of a very crucial issue. There are holes in her story that you could drive a jet ski through….
I agree with everything TJ said. I live in Texas, and am all too familiar with the dangers in Mexico. I also believe that the U.S is a little too lax with illegal immigration, and make it way too easy for them to come over here and receive welfare benefits (I know this for a fact since I just so happen to work in this field)Put it this way, I have a very conservative view on illegal immigration. However, I can not allow my views to distort the TRUTH. The fact of the matter is I wanted to believe Tiffany Hartley in the beginning, but everything she said had holes in it. It seemed to “Susan Smith” to me..blame the big black man. The Hartley’s lived in Mexico for 2 years (the town they lived in was a drug town…look it up)You mean to tell me they did not know about drug cartels?? C’mon people. I am shocked to see that so many people actually believe her story, and some even want to send our troops to Mexico for war. Say what? are you serious? I urge my fellow Americans to stop letting prejudice, political views, etc, to cloud your better judgment. Ask yourselves this question, Do you think if the shoe were on the other foot, and it was David Hartley coming back claiming Tiffany was shot and killed by Mexican pirates that we would be so quick to believe his story? Heck no, he’d be in jail right now. Her latest statement is telling Obama to wake up about the dangers on the border. Excuse me, Ms. Thang, but you are the one who crossed the border on your jet ski, therefore, YOU NEED TO WAKE UP.
A NEGETIVE TURNED POSITIVE… from Alamo tx. i whole heartly agree with tiffany’s direction. i have questioned why politicians have not made an effort to militarize the south texas border since 20 yrs ago. mexico has done it. why not texas? the mexican american border needs security and it needs it now. i hope tiffany’s direction will bring the U.S. military to the border.
I have been following this case from day one and have read as much information as I can find – purely out of interest.
First off, it seems that none of the “media etc” report the “whole” story. You have to put bits and pieces together to really figure out all that has been said. Once you do this, some of the questions are answered regarding the story.
My biggest question is Tiffany’s body language. I find it interesting how she acts and handles some questions. My first thought is “she knows more!” But on the flip side, people respond to tragic accidents differently and I do think sometimes when I see her speak she is more in shock.
As of now with all that has been made public I would hope that the investigators look heavily into the Hartely’s private life. Was it a drug run gone bad? Two ammitures that did not know what they were doing but wanted a few extra bucks for when they started out their new life back in Colorado?
The big question is – Why did the “pirates” spare her? If there were pirates – taking the body away and the jet ski seem likely to make sure there was no evidence. No bullets in her jet ski makes sense if she was in front of him like she said. Not lifting the body – come on its dead weight – not many people could do that. Knowing he’s dead – absolutely if he was shot in the head and the wound is huge. Leave the body – what else could you do?
Bottom line – this will be interesting no doubt.
One last note – we frequent Mexico but will not be going for the first time in 8 years. Too much in many areas is going on. My friend just got back from Cancun where she watched a huge drug drop from her luxury resort condo. Mexican government needs to take back control of their country – a nice vacation can easily go sour these days and who knows – maybe the money the americans are spending on vacation in these fancy resorts is making to the drug cartel? We can change things by simply standing united if not for Tiffany for the many others that have been killed. Boycotting visits to Mexico could get the attention of the government real quick and things could change fast!!!!!!!!
To Loren: that is such a good point: if the tables were turned and husband David reported the story she’s given he’d already be tossed in jail.
Just the way she describes him as so big, too heavy, etc. maybe this is nothing more than a cold wife wanting to get rid of her husband because she can’t stand how he looks. I haven’t heard her say anything rude at all about the “pirates/drug cartel” guys (or people as she says which could mean women were there too?). Perhaps over time you could try to forgive, but she seems to have no ill will at all and that was immediate. I wonder how long unil she gets remarried with David’s blessing from “heaven” to someone she met in Mexico?
Thinking this story is just going to end up being another guilty person gets away with murder. Neither Nancy Grace nor Jane VM have had anything about it for some time, yet this has not come to a conclusion. If David is dead what justice is he getting at all?
Also something that keeps bothering me is how she lived in Mexico and around that area for so long without learning the language at all? Yet another hole in this story. She states that’s why her “victim statement” took 16 hours: translation. Who did she give her initial statement to?
I just watched yet another interview she gave recently where she says “this is bigger than David” so much for it being all about finding David.
When she’s asked if she could have that day to do all over again she’s NOT saying yes, I would never have set foot there, David would be alive, etc. Instead she says I just would have maybe asked around more, asked if it was okay to go there. Dismissively says oh we knew there were pirates we just didn’t realize there was so much drug running….Ok.
When they were pulled over for not having up to date licenses, etc. on their jet skis did these officers not ask where they were going? I am pretty sure that would have been a main part of the conversation. Have these officers side of things been noted anywhere? Surely they would have been warned off going there by the officers. It seems that David was driving yet she had the keys to the truck. She left behind David, his jet ski, the cameras, the cell phones? Yet had those keys to the truck. I almost wonder if that male witness had not seen her would she have disappeared in the truck?
The things that don’t make sense in this story are countless. Biggest thing is letting this wife leave the area. Does anybody know if the computers, cell phone records, etc. have been checked by the police on either side of the border?
And if I have to hear her say condescendingly one more time that people need to “wake up” and realize what is going on there I will scream. How insulting when the idiot who went there to sight see is giving advice to others. At least if she was saying please don’t make the horrible mistake we made, or showed any emotion other than snobby disdain for everything (or smiling when reporters ask about her future without David) I might believe she gave a care about anything.
I’m thinking next she’s going to consider politics. Perhaps the most disturbing combo for a run for pres and vice pres ever her and Sarah Palin? They both already blame Obama for every wrong in the world. Nice way to deflect from herself.
I lived in Korea for 2 years, and Germany for 5 years and I don’t know how to speak either language. I know a few words, but not enough to hold down a conversation. Therefore, I don’t find Tiffany’s inability to speak Spanish suspicious. However, everything else about her story doesn’t jive. I don’t know if any of you caught this, but recently during one of her many “woe that is me thef widow of Falcon Lake” interviews, she made it a point that she did not believe it was mistaken identity because how can you confuse white people as hispanic (those where her words not mine), she also went on to include that she thinks that the pirates were after their Jet Skis….ummmmm…HELLO…. Ok class, if the pirates were after their jet ski’s then why the hell did they let her go? Isn’t 2 jet ski’s better than one? She also indicated that she has his wedding band…how did she get that?? There are way too many inconsistencies about her story. This is just one big political stunt, that the sheriff (Zigi) is in on.
One more point:
Notice how she doesn’t want justice for her husband’s murder. She never once mentioned that she wanted these people brought to justice (at least on the Mexico side), all she wants is his body…oh and of course for Obama to wake up. ha. LOL. Sounds like she wants his body so she doesn’t have to wait that long for the insurance money to kick in. Oh, and how convienient for Sheriff Sigi to be in Colorado at this time. Something stinks
She has his wedding band???
I heard reports that the insurance money wouldn’t be much, but are these confirmed reports? You’re right, over and over she says she just wants proof he’s dead. Just like when she said if she had that proof she would leave this murder thing alone and the murderers could move on and then laughed. I’m thinking she has a very big insurance policy or multiple smaller ones to seem less obvious? Either he’s alive and they are going to meet up at some point (perhaps he’ll lose weight get some back street no questions asked plastic surgery as in their wedding photo he looks very different.) Or she hired someone, has a boyfriend, or shot him herself and he’s dead somewhere. If I’m remembering properly she said she could not describe the pirates but could describe their guns?
This woman is so beyond weird that the police have to be keeping tabs on her and just letting her big mouth dig a deeper hole for herself.
I’ve also read on other blogs that the Facebook pages of her and her husband are another treasure trove of oddness. Has anybody been on there?
Hinging so much of this on “where is the jetski” is silly. That is the easiest part if her story is true. There was more than one in the boat, someone gets on the jetski and rides it away. You are most likely not tethered to it, and anyone could get on it and take it. Once to the shore it would be easy to load it up and drive away along with the boat.
The other questions are much more valid!
I love all the postings that JT has.. u r right on the money. All we can do now is wait for the liar to be caught in her own web
These are interesting posts! I too think there is significantly more to this story. But where are you getting the information about the wedding band and Sheriff Sigi? I haven’t been able to find more info for days! Would appreciate any links.
I’m a Psychologist with many years experience in body language
Tiffany Hartley is blatantly lying.
Her story doesn’t check out at all, there is not one picture , where she is kissing David,only David kissing her.
She got away with murder. It’s so obvious, she had to do with his murder
until proven otherwise, the beheading of an investigator was incidental, that doesn’t prove she’s telling the truth
I hope somebody brings her to justice
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Now that something very similar to this has happened twice since… do you still feel very sure of yourself when it comes to the accusation you have made here?
Lion the King needs a new profession. Four suspects in Mexican custody!!!
She is absolutely lying about her story – there’s no question about that. Anyone with a shred of common sense can see it. So let’s move beyond the crazy/unintelligent people in these comments who believe her.
The real issue is this: she’s female and yet she lies. so. horribly. How is this possible? Is it a chemical imbalance? Some kind of medical disorder? Or was part of their plan for her to be a horrible liar? I’m not sure.
#1 – I knew David, and – by extension – Tiffany. They were not setting up any kind of drug deal, THAT i am certain.
#2 – put urself in HER position. How would u feel if the world nit-picked your every movement and word IF IT WAS TRUE? You should truly be ashamed of yourselves.
David loved history. He loved Tiffany, and Tiffany loves him. At the end of the day, I only hope he is found & you should all be shameful & embarassed for being so willing to jump to conclusions.
Until you’ve been in a situation where you are in shock – only then can u understand & sympathize for others going thru it too.
I believe its smarter to save ur judgements then to besmirch a family in their time of grief… for if you’re wrong, you’ve done yourself (and anyone else that reads it/feeds it) an unrightable wrong.
KWP and YOU ARE WRONG: Details please. A similar situation happened twice since? What four Mexican suspects, in the Hartley case?
To SAD, SAD: If you actually know them I am sorry for your feelings to do with this case. Having said that though it makes you biased as well. I don’t know any of them. I base my thoughts on the details and behaviors I see and hear. You are thinking of the people you know. But you can only know someone so much, you can’t be in their head, and sometimes people do things we never think they will.
If I was in Tiffany’s case and this all went down as she says I would be buying a lottery ticket because she has to be the luckiest person on the planet considering these “murderers” just let her go without a scratch ….
If Tiffany was in shock I believe she might be robotic for a while, unable to do things normally, numb, for a while. Not appearing on every news program she could literally droning on about her “beloved” husband as if she lost her keys.
There are so many issues that don’t add up, and I call those as I see them. So whatever outcome finally emerges from the Hartley case I won’t be ashamed, or feel bad if I am proven wrong about Tiffany. I don’t want to be right, I want to know the truth. As for hurting Tiffany with our comments she has the thickest skin of anyone out there it seems, and just looks annoyed when people don’t believe her “story” as even she keeps calling it. In her place, if the events were true, I would be utterly devastated if one person suggested I killed my husband, I would be sobbing, not chewing on gum and giving snotty looks to people.
She’s lucky that local sheriff has made up his mind to believe anything that comes out of her mouth blindly, even when she’s trashed him, or things may be a little different for her….
If she truly loves David and is innocent she would have from the word go had done absolutely anything to clear herself so the real killers could be found. Step one would have been a lie detector test, but David wasn’t even worth that to her…. Now that’s truly sad.
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