It is generally true that the past is the best guide to the future that we have but that is not to say that it is always a good guide. Does anybody seriously think that (say) America of 100 years ago is the same as the America of today?
Yet by far the commonest argument coming from the Left about immigration in general and about Muslim immigrants in particular is precisely that America of today IS just like the America of 100 years ago. You can read the latest such article in the NYT by Kristoff. It is an argument so hackneyed by now that he could almost have written it in his sleep. Maybe he did.
The argument is that the Irish, Italians and others who came to America in the 19th century were viewed with grave suspicion by many and suffered from discrimination but in the end blended in seamlessly with Americans of other ancestries: The melting pot.
From that Kristoff and others conclude that Muslims will eventually “melt” into a homogeneous American population also. And perhaps many will. But there are two crucial difference that will at least greatly hinder full integration:
1). In the 19th and most of the 20th century, immigrants were EXPECTED to assimilate whereas these days multiculturalism reigns and the very word “assimilate” is almost an obscenity to the Left.
2). The Italians, Irish and Poles came from CHRISTIAN backgrounds so had a considerable degree of common culture with Americans originating from earlier waves of immigration. More to the point they did not come from a culture that DESPISES Christian and post-Christian civilization, whereas Muslims do.
It is a basic imperative of Islam to attack and if possible conquer other civilizations — and they have been doing it more or less continuously ever since the conquests led by Mohammed himself. They were even attacking Christian targets at the time of America’s War of Independence and President Jefferson sent warships to combat them.
So the wave of Muslim immigrants is a wave of people whose basic teachings are hostile to America. That has never happened before and therefore makes comparisons with previous immigrant waves invalid.
The controversy over the “Ground Zero” mosque in NYC has of course brought to the fore the question of how Americans should react to Muslims in their midst. I myself, as an Australian living in the happy obscurity of a small Australian city most people have never even heard of, have no dog in that fight. I think the response to the mosque proposal is for New Yorkers and New Yorkers alone to judge. But I don’t think it is unreasonable for New Yorkers to be hostile to anything Muslim given the hostility of Islam to the West.
But Muslims are still a very small immigrant group in America and the long-standing argument about immigration to America is about Latino illegals, not Muslims. And here we see the same argument from the Left: People who arrived legally from Europe a century or so ago eventually assimilated so people who arrive illegally from Mexico (etc.) will also eventually assimilate. And no doubt many will and in fact many have already done so.
But arriving legally and arriving illegally are two very different things and Europe is also very different from Latin America. Europe is the fountainhead of modern civilization whereas Latin America is a civilizational backwater (to put it kindly). So once again there are large differences between earlier arrivals and recent ones that create considerable potential for outcomes different from what we have seen in the past.
And the omens for Hispanic illegals assimilating are not good. The children of Irish, Polish Italian (etc.) legal immigrants became indistinguishable from other Americans but that is not so with the Hispanics. That Hispanics have a notably higher crime-rate than non-Hispanic whites is concern enough but their children are even worse, even more prone to criminality. As well as black gang-bangers America now has a proliferation of Hispanic gang bangers. Far from assimilating into the mainstream, the children of the illegals have moved even further away from it.
So once again the complexities of reality upset the simplistic theories of the Left. Neither in the case of Muslims nor in the case of Hispanic illegals can we expect the universal assimilation of the past. Permanently hostile subgroups are instead to be expected. Americans are right to be concerned about that
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2 users commented in " Muslims and Hispanic illegals: Can we judge the present by the past? "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackWow, this is one of the most racist articles I have ever read.
Your opinion that Latin America is a “civilizational backwater” is irrelevant because even though past immigrants may have come from Europe, they were the POOR and UNEDUCATED Europeans. If they were well educated then they would not have been poor and thus have had no need to make the long journey (by boat) to the U.S.
Furthermore, your comments about crime rates prove how elementary your ability to analyse statistics (I don’t even know if you have hard stats to back any of this up anyways…) is.
Try looking at the crime rate of Hispanics in the rural and suburban parts of the country. They will be similar to the crime rates of White (and even Black) suburban and rural people.
The issue is not race, it’s class. People in the inner city will always have higher crime rates than those outside the inner city (in any country). Here, the people in the inner city just happen to be minorities.
It’s like saying test scores nationwide are lowest among Blacks and saying it has something to do with the fact that they’re Black. It’s because public education in the inner city is TRASH and that’s where the majority of minorities live.
And one last note: Legal immigration in the 19th Century is nothing like legal immigration nowadays. Back then, you barely had to do anything once you arrived at Ellis Island or wherever else. There were not nearly the amount loops that we make prospective immigrants jump through today. If it were the same case back then as it is now then why the hell are there so many illegal immigrants in the country now??????????!!!!!!!!!!! Why didn’t they come here legally if it was so easy??
I agree with this Author.
I do not agree with the 1st poster.
If it’s so true South America has been privy to an advanced civilization, please do tell their great achievements? Do tell about their great societies? It seems they are all too eager to leave their violent, poor countries to come into America for a better life, especially to make money.
Easy to come here in the past? WHAT? There was no welfare in the past. You had to PROVE you could support yourself and your family without ANY aid from the US Government, ie. the taxpayer’s money. Today one baby is popped out and it is an US citizen entitled to welfare! There was no welfare when Europeans immigrated here in great numbers! Go figure?
As to it not being easy to gain citizenship, why should it be? America should screen who is entering this nation. They should do background checks, they should do HEALTH checks. Why? To protect it’s citizens. What hubris to think you have a right to just WALK IN without following our Laws. How could such hubris make you a good citizen? It does NOT! I wish all such people of hubris would just walk in into Mexico and see what happens. JAIL Baby JAIL!
As for blacks scoring lower, money is not the reason. It has to do with PARENT involvement. Always has. There are school districts who have poured TRIPLE the amount of $$$$ per each “under privileged” child in our county. The results? Dismal. No return for the money, they still score the lowest scores in the county. On the other hand there have been documentaries of Teachers in poor districts who took a TRUE interest in their students & expected the very best from the students. Guess what? The Teacher got what she expected, highly performing students. Perhaps intelligent, caring parents & teachers make a difference?
Wow, imagine that? Money does not cure everything. God gave us brains, heart and moral ethics.
Stop blaming others and act nobly. Stop expecting everyone else to solve your problems. If you could manage that you just might become a better person.
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