If you pick up your average dictionary and look up the word ‘spin’ the definitions talk about revolving over an axis. As a kid I had a gyroscope, it was a wonderful toy, it mattered not where you put it, if it was spinning it would stay there. Of course after a while the spinning disc would slow down. This magic toy would eventually fall over. As it lost momentum it also lost the ability to remain upright, it would wobble around, and finally fall to the ground.
In today’s world ‘spin’ has an additional definition. It is how you ‘spin’ a story. How you can maximize the good, and minimize the bad. There is little doubt in my mind that the finest example of ‘spin’ comes from the oil spill in The Gulf Of Mexico. Official ‘Spin’ tells us that 75% of the oil has gone. Scientists claim that 75% is still in the water? Who is right?
The answer is, I don’t know.
The Haleigh Cummings case has become that same gyroscope. In some ways it is amusing. In other ways I am appalled!
The press is just as polarized. Most of us try and remain a neutral stance. We at BNN may not always be right, but we do try our very best to tell the story as it is being told to us by people on the street.
Our flag is that we tell the truth! I have been watching many other situations engineered by the press. A fine example is Nancy Grace and her favorite nephew Art Harris. Nancy faces a very serious court case on November 1, was she responsible for a woman taking her own life as a direct result of an on air interview?
Nancy Grace’s favorite (press) nephew is in even deeper trouble. I have thousands of pages of court documents. But here are just a couple.
The question becomes one of money. Does the Bald Truth report as an independent reporter, or is he a hired gun? What does the term ‘Media Consultant’ mean?
Does this mean that you are independent?
Even Kim Picazio (well known lawyer for the folks with no money) claimed that Art Harris was the Media Consultant for Crystal Sheffield. If he was not, Kim Picazio lied in a court document.
Kim and I do not see eye to eye, there are few people that would argue that point. However she seems bound and determined to reinsert herself into a case that she has no place in.
Who is she representing this time?
Simon
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I think she retreated for a while to sulk and lick her wounds. Now she’s trying desperately to regain her reputation by attacking others to deflect attention on her own professional flop.
Load the machine gun…
Little Bear’s Rules to Blog By:
1. Keep journalistic or at least “blogging” integrity. Your words may be remembered and referred to for a lifetime.
2. Stop blaming others for bad information. Find out the truth and tell it.
3. Remember Haleigh. Pray for Justice.
4. Write about others the way you would want to be written about (The Blogger’s “Golden Rule”).
Oh, I added another one:
5. Resist bait. If you took it, wriggle free again and refer to rule #1.
Our flag is that we tell the truth! I have been watching many other situations engineered by the press. A fine example is Nancy Grace and her favorite nephew Art Harris. Nancy faces a very serious court case on November 1, was she responsible for a woman taking her own life as a direct result of an on air interview?
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Why even go there? It’s one thing to defend yourself, but this is looking like vindictiveness! However, it’s your site you can do what you like.
And the beat goes on…
I say “bring it on” KP! You have made a fool of yourself when you represented CS, so why stop now???
You seem misdirected and misinformed to me. No, I am not an expert, but I do have a lot of common sense and a lot of education, and I say you are creating your own worse nightmare if you continue to represent yourself this way. It’s like you are jumping from one thing to the other and have no idea what is going on.]
Please be professional…lawyers already have a bad reputation in the public’s eyes….don’t be the one to confirm it.
Bravo Simon, you are brilliant with your words! Right on~!
We like you Simon. Don’t take bait.
“If”
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build’em up with worn-out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
-Rudyard Kipling
beautadcent: Yes, it does seem a little vindictive, but I think attacks bring out the claws in some.
I personally did not want to read what KP had written on another site. If I did, I would of went over there and read it and commented there.
I feel there is no need to defend yourself against lies. The truth is there and if you know it, then others will know it too.
The rules that bloggers must abide by should be the same for everyone. If KP posts something you don’t agree with or that is wrong, then Skip, Skip, Skip, ….don’t address it, Skip, Skip, Skip…..
Those who know you will know the truth.
Jan and Simon….advice I got one time from an attorney was this: give them enough rope and they will hang themselves! Let this apply to you know who.
Just my two cents on it. Thanks.
Somebody is just trying to hump any leg they can now to get back on the gravy train.
FYI Simon. Yes, consultants do in fact get paid as a guest speaker on tv shows. They set their own fees based on level of their experience, topic at hand, audience wants and duration of programming, if they have a SAG or AFTRA card, they can ask for scale or higher. All depends what contract the y agreed to.
I think somebodys gyroscope has hit a patch of warped wood in the sea of journalism. Case in point. Used to be a cubbyhole reporter had many many bloggers on his site, now only 2 or 5 or 6. Think they got some sort of a clue? I think so. At one point, shop completely closed up over there. Why? My guess would have to be from all the mistakes about bones, heck the other night on one show it was mentioned Misty would have shot Joe, Bing, Bang, the very next show that same cubbyhole reporter said Misty said shed shoot Tommy , cubby cleaned it up but the damage was already done. So since hes the expert, what was his excuse? Oh right, the glaring light emoting from the monitors bounced off that glaring necktie and blinded cubby. such is life.
Shame on these so called professionals who can crawl out and wave a flag as all knowing. All Ive seen is doubtful and pitiful attempts to gain some type of allocade and all off a missing and possibly deceased little girl that nobody but strangers actually care about.
Sorry I posted it! won’t happen again!
Snipped
JenM said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
I feel there is no need to defend yourself against lies. The truth is there and if you know it, then others will know it too.
The rules that bloggers must abide by should be the same for everyone. If KP posts something you don’t agree with or that is wrong, then Skip, Skip, Skip, ….don’t address it, Skip, Skip, Skip…..
Those who know you will know the truth.
Just my two cents on it. Thanks.
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Wise!
sometimes your danged if ya do and danged if ya don’t!
Seriously, was that REALLY Kim P or was it someone impersonating Kim P to make her look like an immature, unprofessional, attention-grabbing lunatic?
People just need to think things through before acting out on emotion. Saves a lot of grief.
Imo
CathyJ, it is what it is. It’s neither here nor there and no one blames you. I just don’t like giving a person like that any webspace to sprawl her spew, lol.
The best part is though, that now she has a lot of people who can see her for how she is.
Aligoo, I guess we don’t know for sure. Maybe it was BAIT by someone to get something started or to see what we all thought about KP????
Well, I would say what I said, no matter if she wrote that for real or not. That is my true opinion of her from seeing her on NG and first impressions are lasting. She has done nothing since then to change my opinion. So, article or not, its all the same. Facts are Facts.
Aligoo said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
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Oh, that was real.
As you have probably noticed, KP has not left this case. Yes, she was fired, but she stuck around. In an “unofficial” manner, I guess you could say.
WHERE IS HALEIGH????
People will love/accept you, when you’re saying what they like or hold to be the truth. And then blame/hate you when you don’t agree or start thinking for yourself!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
People will love/accept you, when you’re saying what they like or hold to be the truth. And then blame/hate you when you don’t agree or start thinking for yourself!
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Absolutely true.
Maybe she is jealous over the attention that Misty and Tommy’s lawyers have gotten recently and just HAD to do something to stir things up and get the spotlight back on herself.
I’m sorry, but I’m just aghast. It was a very HIGH SCHOOL type of rant. That’s eaxctly what it reminded me of. Something that one teenage girl would blog about to try & spite another girl that she envied.
If she felt she had a legitimate concern and expressed it in an adult manner, then that would have been one thing. But this was just very childish.
Exactly, JenM!!
Rest assured, KP always has an agenda. She has reinserted herself back into this case for a reason. Glory? Free Publicity? Money? Her favorite boy toy not keeping her busy enough? Could be any or all of the above reasons, but no doubt she has an agenda.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in August 24th, 2010 at 9:33 pm People will love/accept you, when you’re saying what they like or hold to be the truth. And then blame/hate you when you don’t agree or start thinking for yourself!
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Amen!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in August 24th, 2010 at 9:33 pm People will love/accept you, when you’re saying what they like or hold to be the truth. And then blame/hate you when you don’t agree or start thinking for yourself!
This is true! It is my belief that if ALL of the outside players wanting to grab 15 minutes of fame would remove themselves from this case, HaLeigh might get some JUSTICE. KP, AH, Cobra, SB, many Posters making videos, giving LE info that fits their agenda, and yes SB, ALL need to step back and look at themselves and ask what the heck am I doing?
To be honest NONE of HaLeigh’s family should be proud of themselves, they all failed this child in one way or the other and at one time of the other. So many are so proud to say they are a Crystalite or a Ronette, well my opinion is you should be ashamed also. Some go about making videos of these people, and putting down their way of life, which is probally the only way they know. And oh my goodness look at that ones boots, look at that ones hair, look at the vehicle that one rides in, well how about looking at the SMILE on HaLeigh’s face and wonder what the heck happened to her and get over yourself. If you put down one person or take one person side you are not for the truth. The TRUTH lies with JUSTICE for HALEIGH only. It is time for someone to grow the heck up and tell the truth. These freaking drug arrest are a farce, they don’t bring any JUSTICE for HALEIGH, they are the peon/s in a bigger drug lord in PC. Let’s find some JUSTICE, TRUTH for HALEIGH.
A questionable lawyer will fight for crumbs to garner the spotlight
A dignified lawyer will fight for their client. They dont need a spotlight.
Recent Scores:
Cubby reporter: 6 bloggy spots in 30 hrs. (Bullocks!)
Dignified BNN Journalist: 31 bloggy spots in 20 minutes. HOO RAH! God Save The Queen!
Guess the Dignified journalist wins!
Take a bow Simon and Jan
(I need an Excedrin now). Thank you.
TrialJunkie, while I agree with your post… I feel/fear it’s beyond HaLeigh… now!
HELP, Jan!
Could you please remove all but the most recent of my post, please. Thy mutant hath taken over thy board here. Thank you.
I have missed something because this makes no sense to me.
I have followed the HaLeigh case from the beginning. I know who Kim P, Art Harris, Nancy Grace, etc. are but what does this have to do with finding HaLeigh?
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
TrialJunkie, while I agree with your post… I feel/fear it’s beyond HaLeigh… now!
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I agree so hold hardly, with both comments,
But, the truth be known, it has been way beyond Haleigh since the very beginning..
And never is anyone to have a concept that is not, within the accepted criteria..
I must be behind on the latest on KP. Who is she representing this time?..which happens to be the last words in Simon’s article. Why all the mystery? In thinking about who it could possibly be, these are the names I came up with:
Misty, Nay Nay, Amber, Lisa Croslin (has she been found??) Hank Sr., RON, Mother Teresa, GGma Sykes, Art Harris. Would have no clue why Art would need KP’s representation but thought I’d add it to the group. I would be highly shocked if she were representing NG.
Do I think Melinda Duckett committed suicide due to NG’s tactics? NO.
So, as far as who KP is now representing (Cobra??)I give up. Spill the beans, please.
As far as AH and NG..I could not care any less what either do – they are both sensationalist’s who only care about one thing. MONEY. In particular, NG makes me ill. She is pathetic in my book and if I hear she is a victim or rambles on about the twins or “Haley Dean” or Sheba calling one more time, just shoot me please. I w/only listen to her because I have a crime blog and on the off chance something that is actually a bombshell takes place, I want to know. Plus, I get a huge chuckle out of the way she talks to the defense attorneys. And, they take it. MONEY!
Bottom line, while this is all very interesting, where is HaLeigh?? That is all we really want to know. For better or for worse.
Thanks for allowing me to rant.
So true. This was never about Haleigh and still isn’t. This is about Lies, Greed, Selfishness, Hatred, Revenge, Guns, Drugs, Money! (on all of them involved with Haleigh)!!!
Someone is bound to be killed over this…you can almost see it coming. Someone is going to make someone pay for what they did….but not for what they did to Haleigh, but what they did because of one of the 8 things listed above. Those are the things these people care about.
Maybe KP is going to need someone to represent her, with all the issues she has created these days.
Everybody wants to get into the act, grab a spot on NG or JVM looking for fame and fortune but I have yet to hear or see anyone of those they are discussing, Lisa, Crystal, Ron, Misty,
Tommy….oh the list goes on……BUT when did they SEARCH for Haleigh?
NEVER…..that’s when!!
AH with his ‘reliable sources’ makes me sick. For once AH…..tell us who they are? As I can tell, you get your ‘latest’ directly from the news broadcasts…..
IMO
JenM agree with both posts.
KP will be representing CS is my guess.
JenM said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
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Crystal tried and failed, but she still is hanging around. Some people just like to toe that line. [shaking head]
Texasmommy39 said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
JenM agree with both posts.
KP will be representing CS is my guess.
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Oh, I don’t think so Texasmommy!
OK, I am going to ask one more time..What issues has KP created lately? Please don’t tell me she is representing Lisa Croslin. Please don’t tell me she gave Lisa money. What did KP do? And, do we know where Lisa is now??
Thank you!
Your right J, what was I thinking Marie would never allow that.
Seriously though why do you say that?
Yes, Id for like for that person to spill some beans about last years statement that Haleigh is alive. Never was redacted. Please dont embellish just tell the truth. If you cant do this then you are SOL and FOB.
As much as I mistrust a lot of the family members, didnt they fire this person? I am thinking they sure did!
wrap it up…it is about an article that KP wrote, but we won’t go there, because it doesn’t deserve anyone’s attention.
Why would Lisa have anything to do with KP anyway? Does she not remember how KP’s media consultant portrayed Lisa’s daughter to the world? Regardless of the type of person Misty is, she is still Lisa’s daughter. How could Lisa even stomach to talk to KP and AH after the things they put out to the public about her own flesh and blood daughter?
WHERE IS HALEIGH????
Someone knows….and I still don’t think MC, TC and JO have fooled LE and the FBI for this long. Sorry, they are not masterminds! They are being used to make sure that LE can say they were right all along. Words are being put in their mouths and they are being convinced that this is the only way they will be able to get out of jail or make a deal.
OR
Maybe they will go down as Notorious Masterminds who could never be broken into telling the truth. They are all willing to be in jail the rest of their lives because JO reportedly couldn’t find a gun.
Who knows??? Maybe neither of those is the truth?
I still like to beleive that Haleigh is alive!
Well, Jan57 cleared up the article info in the other blog. It seems that KP got all her facts wrong (ahem, again). Now it is time for KP to apologize.
wrapitup said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
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wrapitup,
Apparently KP gave a phone interview to that John Goohde (spelling?) person today. She admitted that yes, she was the person that provided money to Lisa for a phone, clothes (allegedly from a dollar store) and “living essentials).
I do not know if a can provide a link to his site here. I know that he is not kind to our hosts, so I am not going to post it.
And TexasMommy, do you ever go on TWITTER?
WhyLie said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Rest assured, KP always has an agenda. She has reinserted herself back into this case for a reason. Glory? Free Publicity? Money? Her favorite boy toy not keeping her busy enough? Could be any or all of the above reasons, but no doubt she has an agenda
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And I think it’s gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
I’m not the man they think I am at home
Oh no no no I’m a rocket man
Rocket man burning out his fuse up here alone
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Sorry, I couldn’t resist
J said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
wrapitup said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
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wrapitup,
Apparently KP gave a phone interview to that John Goohde (spelling?) person today. She admitted that yes, she was the person that provided money to Lisa for a phone, clothes (allegedly from a dollar store) and “living essentials).
I do not know if a can provide a link to his site here. I know that he is not kind to our hosts, so I am not going to post it.
And TexasMommy, do you ever go on TWITTER?
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I would have never guessed KP and no one would have either, till she outed herself
J said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
wrapitup said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
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wrapitup,
Apparently KP gave a phone interview to that John Goohde (spelling?) person today. She admitted that yes, she was the person that provided money to Lisa for a phone, clothes (allegedly from a dollar store) and “living essentials).
I do not know if a can provide a link to his site here. I know that he is not kind to our hosts, so I am not going to post it.
And TexasMommy, do you ever go on TWITTER?
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J….Yep your right and Levi was right in the middle of it..jmo
I do not understand what Lisa Croslin has to do with findng HaLeigh other than she is the mother of Misty.
What does Lisa’s drug addiction have to do the task of finding HaLeigh.
So much is written under the guise of trying to keep HaLeigh’s story out there and her case open, but these stories have spiraled out of control.
It has become a contest of how low can you go.
No Haleigh discussion? Toodles
Is everyone sure it was KP and not someone just claiming to be her?
Sounds like the KP I know
Marta, I am tooldes too.
I have no interest in Art H’s legal documents.
Was she talking on a show or just writting on a blog?
Bottom feeders will use any means to get whatever story a person like Lisa might have to share. This is a terrible situation for her because right now she is alone and very vunerable. People will fan money under her nose, buy her and a few of her family members whatever they desire, they will bait them, use them and then throw them away like trash. Somebody needs to step in and protect that woman. They’ll use her. Somebody in CS family also needs to get a Cease ‘gag’ order out on that person whos foaming at the mouth.
Thanks for the help, Jan, now if my SOS could go away as well, it’ll be just fine and dandy, Thank you.
vaquera said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hahahahaha
Oh it was KP without a doubt, unless her computer got hacked again, LOL.
WOW I will bet she is happy seeing all of this. A whole Blogg used just for her. Why make her such a star on a Haliegh site? Why even address this when we have a missing child we all care about more than any of this,
Now everyone take a deep breath and do what you are all here for. Think about Haleigh.
barb, it isn’t making her a star, it is just showing what her true colors are and letting her know that she may be able to fool the downtrodden like Lisa, but she can’t fool the rest of us.
I think we are all here because we belive in Jan and Simon and the rest of the people who are here all here for Haleigh and the other victims. That is all that needs to be said. We are here that fact speaks for itself.
Where is Haleigh?
WhyLie said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
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Bwahahahhahahahhahahha!!!!
Computer hacked! Identity stolen! [Was that out of the shady hotel she allegedly shared with someone? When she had a rented house in town?]
J said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
wrapitup said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
++++++++++++++++
wrapitup,
Apparently KP gave a phone interview to that John Goohde (spelling?) person today. She admitted that yes, she was the person that provided money to Lisa for a phone, clothes (allegedly from a dollar store) and “living essentials).
I do not know if a can provide a link to his site here. I know that he is not kind to our hosts, so I am not going to post it.
And TexasMommy, do you ever go on TWITTER?
I really have to much going on to follow or participate any where else. Also my opinion has NEVER been in fashion so I have found BNN to be more inviting to share my thoughts and opinions on, no matter who likes them or not.
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J, yes I have tweeted. I have not been on in a while. I am a very busy women, but, my computer does stay on BNN all Day, for when ever I have a moment to check in.
I am interested on your take on KP’s current motive if you have one and you wouldn’t mind sharing it here.
Yes, supposedly her stuff was stolen from the hotel.
barbinOhio said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
I think we are all here because we belive in Jan and Simon and the rest of the people who are here all here for Haleigh and the other victims. That is all that needs to be said. We are here that fact speaks for itself.
Where is Haleigh?
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Absolutely!
Simon and Jan did not start this. They reported something that they were told. They have also admitted that if they were given wrong information that they would be the first to tell us and apologize.
They have been attacked left and right, unfairly. They did not start this nonsense that is going on, but they had every right to respond. When a person’s integrity is called into question, it is hurtful, especially when all you have done is try to help keep missing people in the spotlight. Were it not for Jan and Simon, for many, many months, HaLeigh would have had ZERO coverage, and that’s no lie. Us bloggers never lost interest in HaLeigh, but the mainstream media all but abandoned her until the next horrid story about her family (or the Croslins) hit the media. The Barrets have done a wonderful job of covering HaLeigh, even when there is no news. I for one, am very, very grateful!
As always, praying for HaLeigh and all her loved ones!
If this is true (KP and Lisa) I beleive it is because Lisa is a desperate woman, and would probably take anything-money, a phone, clothes, whatever from anyone who would throw her a bone-even someone who doesn’t have her best interests in mind. Lisa was ripe for picking, and KP got to her. IMO.
J said,in August 24th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
ITO.
I don’t think they need to explain or defend themselves to any of us. Most people here are here because they believe in them and their mission.
This may not be the best forum for this kind of stuff.I for one am sorry it happened here when they are trying to be the ones to keep the attention on these tuff cases. JMVHO
Should have been ITA sorry J
barbinOhio said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
WOW I will bet she is happy seeing all of this. A whole Blogg used just for her. Why make her such a star on a Haliegh site? Why even address this when we have a missing child we all care about more than any of this,
Now everyone take a deep breath and do what you are all here for. Think about Haleigh.
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I agree it should be about HaLeigh. Unfortunately, the antics of KP and AH are indeed a good indication that they have a common agenda, at this TIME to offer and provide assistance to Lisa and many of us know from life’s hard lessons that this reeks of a setup for failure in Lisa’s current state and the two involved IMO are vultures by nature.
IMO the topic of Lisa should be done and over with and the agenda of these two explored. I am sure that many will wait for more information and some of us will be taking a long hot shower before I start putting my theories about these new developments and the possible agenda that is at play.
It has always been the Sheffields against the Cummings and IMO the Croslins where the ones considered expendable by everyone!
I actually have a feeling that more is going on behind the scenes with these two families and poor Lisa is in harms way.
Howdy Texasmommy39 longtime no see nor talk. God Bless you and Family.
Guys and Dolls I so agree with most all of your comments. This case is about a little Babe “Gone”. We can’t, (haven’t hunted for her too much) find her. She’s gone. But yet, she’s somewhere eh?
Then we have the targeted drug stings. How bogues and completely creepy of LE to engage in such in a case as this? No comparison or fiting. Yes, get your evidence, please for Petes Sake.
But frame, go underhanded and break the Law yourselves is totally un-acceptable in my eyes. Myabe not others, as obviously Ive read the disgusting comments. But no, these people are on drugs, duh!!! Who’s shocked raise your hands?
I’m more convinced about the gun, missing guns scenerio occurring than anything to date in this story of lies, deceit and spin. But it still doesnt make a bit of sense Jo, Tommy nor Misty freaked out cuz the guns were out of the house and decided to take/assault and disappear Haleigh.
And if it be so and true, why the lousy fake searches, lousy LE forensic investigations since the onset, and lousy LE’s (keeping it close to the vest) bullcrap? It’s all lies. If LE has so much to tuck under their shirts, they would have to explode by now, gee.
The dogs dont lie though eh? nope! Little Jr’s first and foremost accounting of that night doesn’t lie either. The phone records don’t lie either. Cell phone pings/locations dont lie either. Video tapes of Ron at store and clock ins at work dont lie. Yes, he could have “snuck out”, but apparently he didnt as he made over ninety calls to Misty. If he’s out sneaking to check in on Misty and kids no need to call eh?
Then you have Tommy knowing Rons work schedule and requests for knowledge of Mistys whereabouts that fatefilled night. What an unknowing alarm Ron may have set off to these criminals. Criminals we know were breaking, entering, stealing from at home homeowners.
I personally haven’t ruled out any scenerio. Even stranger abduction cuz I dont believe LE even knows. I certainly dont trust wanna be detectives, and the lies of those incarcerated in hopes to get leniency. Nor the hurting family members of all of Haleighs family.
Where is Haleigh Dang it? Put up or shut up! Enough of the bull. This is a missing Babies case. Get up and off, or be a hero and make a difference for Haleigh or one of her fajily members in need of help. Truly be a help or stop the “Drama Mama” biz. Yuck!!
KoolLook, Loved it. It is time to connect the dots. things are starting to come to light it seems. Maybe that full moon is bringing out all the narcissistic that we all have come to know in this poor babies case. Did you see the interview with CS and her comment that no one knows the pain she has been in?
Would love to chat when you have the time for little ol’ me. PM me when you get a chance.
narcissistic personality disorder, whereby the patient overestimates his or her abilities and has an excessive need for admiration and affirmation. Sure sounds like the two vultures we all have come to know.
J said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
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That’s true. Use google news and put in Haleigh’s name..BNN sometimes would be the only articles there.
When someone tracks mud in the house, someone has to clean it up. You just hope the ‘kids’ learn to wipe their feet first. Saves a lot of work and grief.
Imo
Texasmommy39, this is what i don’t understand about this problem Simon has with AH. AH doesn’t say much. Simon is the one who has the problem with AH. I don’t get it is all. From what I can tell it has zero to do with Haleigh.
Jaba Kids never learn LOL
J, thank so much for clearing this up! What in the world would be KP’s agenda to assist Lisa Croslin? It’s too mind boggling and ridiculous to even spend the time thinking about. So be it.
This is all I care about: Where is Haleigh??
This appears to be the current thread where folks are posting so I will post this here:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/ronald-cummings-involvment.html
seamuroriley 8-24-10
“Statement Analysis: Ronald Cummings’ Involvement”
Quit airing dirty laundry on Art. GROW UP? How old are you two anyways? If I hadn’t made such good friends on here I would never come back to this site……… DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA…. Everyone knows Art gets his info from Lindsey too. So that would be both sides of Haleigh’s family…….
Dylan, I am not all knowing, but, have a feeling it has a little to do with AH refusal to produce a tape for Cobra and AH obvious attempts to print lies…. Like I said I do not know for sure, but, it would be my take on some reasons that Simon would have a beef with AH. Remember long ago he was a weekly guest here at BNN too.
This is all strictly my own personal opinion……….So we’re back to hearing Cobra is a liar, OK, I don’t disagree with that, I think that is the most truth we’ve ever heard from KP, I knew as soon as I saw Cobra’s Affidavidt in KP’s Bar Complaint Rebuttal, that he was a liar, without any doubt in my mind.
An over inflated ego will surely be a butt biter sooner or later.
And I think it’s gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
I’m not the man they think I am at home
Oh no no no I’m a rocket man
Rocket man burning out his fuse up here alone
Deal with it Staff 500!!!!!
What Crazy grandmother takes someone to court again? What a shock.. Virgie looking for money….lol
Great to see you, Noreen!
Noreen said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 12:47 am
This is all strictly my own personal opinion……….So we’re back to hearing Cobra is a liar, OK, I don’t disagree with that, I think that is the most truth we’ve ever heard from KP, I knew as soon as I saw Cobra’s Affidavidt in KP’s Bar Complaint Rebuttal, that he was a liar, without any doubt in my mind.
An over inflated ego will surely be a butt biter sooner or later.
And I think it’s gonna be a long long time
Till touch down brings me round again to find
I’m not the man they think I am at home
Oh no no no I’m a rocket man
Rocket man burning out his fuse up here alone
Deal with it Staff 500!!!!!
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That was one funny night, wasn’t it?
Glad to see ya, we’ve missed you.
The reason this is the topic on this blog, is because that is what the above article is about. There are some other blogs open in regard to Haleigh. I guess I would have to say if you dont like the article or the contents, then go to a different blog to comment on something you do like to talk about. Not everything is tied to Haleigh, but that doesn’t mean there can’t be an article about it. If the article was about Haleigh and we chose to talk about this other stuff, then yes I would see a problem. But that is not the case.
It is titled HALEIGH>>>>>> I can have an opinion I reckon.lol
All Everyone wants is to find Haleigh. Not to blog about Simon and Jan being Jealous of Art. That is in noway going to help find lil HAleigh.
JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH>>>>>>>
forget all the DRAMA>
jaba said,in August 24th, 2010 at 8:57 pm Load the machine gun…
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I would but I can’t find it, I think my cousin Joe stole it.
vaquera said,in August 24th, 2010 at 11:27 pm Yes, supposedly her stuff was stolen from the hotel.
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Shucks, there goes Joe again!!!
JenM said,in August 24th, 2010 at 10:26 pm So true. This was never about Haleigh and still isn’t. This is about Lies, Greed, Selfishness, Hatred, Revenge, Guns, Drugs, Money! (on all of them involved with Haleigh)!!!
Someone is bound to be killed over this…you can almost see it coming. Someone is going to make someone pay for what they did….but not for what they did to Haleigh, but what they did because of one of the 8 things listed above. Those are the things these people care about.
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Last night I posted a thought: even though this case has all of these bizarre scenarios, confusing story lines and alibis, ever endless cast of characters, (which seems to grow everyday) and of course, the rumor factor…
in the long run, it is precisely what has helped keep so much attention focused on it.
Otherwise, it would sadly be forgotten and not get all the priority and attention it gets in the media—-
So, in that respect, IT’S QUITE AN ADVANTAGE. It holds the public’s eye, the media stays obsessed with it….this case get’s more and more attention the longer time goes on.
– Haleigh isn’t forgotten, not at all. With all this media and hype, she has become a household name.-
Think of all the missing child cases that just seem to fade over time. Cold cases… not this one.
This case has evolved into a life of IT’S own, but again, in an odd way, it is a blessing for Haleigh. It keeps this case alive, and that is what Haleigh and her family NEED.
Some guy was arrested at around 2am in my neighborhood so basically I’m wide awake! Nah, no biggie, just attempted b&e’s??!!
just driving around looking in cars and empty houses for sale…thank God someone noticed and reported him. He told the cop he wasn’t going to look in ALL the houses, just SOME of them!!
OMG dude, put the crack pipe down!!!
Enough said, I’m going to get a Rottweiller or Newfoundland.
And a machine gun.
goodnight. goodmorning.
still don’t understand the 2:13am Tyler st. 911 call…I had always thought it might be a possibility that it was made cuz Tommy went back to his house, and Lindsey freaked out when she found out what happened? But I never knew all the facts about it, and now that it’s been brought up again with the 911 calls, it’s burning a darn hole in my head.
And Lindsey just always seemed (just as Chelsea) to be so far removed from it all.
Lady justice protects Haleigh in her robes. She says Justice for the child will only be revealed when truth is found. Lady justice may be blind but she can separate factorial truth and logic from bull____!
ronfan said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 4:33 am
goodnight. goodmorning.
still don’t understand the 2:13am Tyler st. 911 call…I had always thought it might be a possibility that it was made cuz Tommy went back to his house, and Lindsey freaked out when she found out what happened? But I never knew all the facts about it, and now that it’s been brought up again with the 911 calls, it’s burning a darn hole in my head.
And Lindsey just always seemed (just as Chelsea) to be so far removed from it all.
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That drove me crazy also.. Couldn’t figure out why that deputy would have been to green lane prior to the 911 call..
Greenwood is the one that put out the info on the 2:15am call, at first I thought he had made a mistake, and of realize he wouldn’t make a mistake like that, but the other comment he made was odd. The reporter ask him about one of the grandmothers being at the house that night, and he said, yes one of the grandmothers went by to check the kids, and he said “Teresa Neves”..
Then I remembered, one of witness’s said that they heard misty outside on the phone at 2:30am, and that didn’t make any sense.. So, trying to put it together…
PCSO receives a call at 2:15am, and an officer is dispatched!! But, its not a call a supervisor would normally be involved in, like a check welfare on a person..
and the Deputy is sent to Green lane, who’s welfare? Misty or the children?
Its rather obvious when the Deputy went to green lane, no contact was made, because she went to Tyler Road.. If she had made contact with Misty, then a 911 call would never have been made.
The deputy would have remained with her and contacted the dispatcher, her supervisor etc..
So, What did she talk to Tommy about? She didn’t know a 5 year old little girl was missing? That had not been reported yet, So who was she looking for?? a 17 year old??
That would make, a strange call for this deputy..
Did tommy make any calls, trying to locate misty? Did he make contact and advised her there was a deputy at the house looking for her? We know misty did not have a key to that trailer.. she had given her keys back to ron the Thursday prior..
If she, the Deputy were checking welfare of a 17 year old, and then suddenly there is a 911 call from the empty house she was just at, where the 17 year old she was looking for, is calling in a missing 5 year old…. Then the dispatch tape begins to make sense.. 2 calls, 2 different juvenile females..
Then you bring this witness into this, about hearing misty at 2:30am on the phone outside talking.. why think its misty? could it have been another female on the phone at 2:30am and the witness just thought it was misty??
If thats the case then the person on the phone at 2:30am, could be the same person who made the call at 2:15am to PCSO.. and they were looking for misty and the kids, or just misty.
The deputy would have arrived at the residence between 2:30 and 3:00am depending on what she was doing, or how far she had to travel.. And she was still there, at 3:27am, and lindzy was there also..
Wouldn’t the Deputy notice any odd behavior on Tommys part, if suddenly, after he had just committed a terrible crime, that a Cop out of the clear blue sky, shows up at his door in the middle of the night.. The boy would have had soiled underwear!!! And the Cop would have noticed.
Last but not least…
And the Police cruiser stopping down near the trailer, could also be the sound of the vehicle heard and reported, as stopping with the motor running, and then driving back off.
So, there is something to chew on..
Mlee–I hate to ask this because I am sure it has been pounded to death here, but when did people start arriving, besides Ron, police, and Neves, which has been widely reported. When did Johnny Sheffield arrive? Annette Sykes? Lindsy and family? Chelsea and family? Or whomever else arrived? Is their a timeline anywhere I can find of the arrival of these people and who might have showed up? If so, could you direct me to it? Thanks.
oh yes, a tid bit.. If the female deputy is at Tommy house, and talking to Tommy and Lindzy, and she has already gone to green ln, and misty is not there, and she is not at Tommys…
Then a good basic conclusion: Tommy and misty were not together out and about anywhere..
And Lindzy has told PCSO.. Tommy was home asleep with me that night, and golly gee Wiz, there is a PCSO Deputy that can testify that tommy was at home with Lindzy… and not Misty..
robin said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 7:16 am
Mlee–I hate to ask this because I am sure it has been pounded to death here, but when did people start arriving, besides Ron, police, and Neves, which has been widely reported. When did Johnny Sheffield arrive? Annette Sykes? Lindsy and family? Chelsea and family? Or whomever else arrived? Is their a timeline anywhere I can find of the arrival of these people and who might have showed up? If so, could you direct me to it? Thanks.
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Ronald arrived at home about 3:26-3:27am
Police arrived around 3:35am
TN arrived around 3:35, she stated she arrived behind the male deputy and in front the female
deputy.
GGSykes arrived about 3:40am
Crystal was notified at 3:49am by TN.
Chelsey stated she was called at 4:00am
Arrived about 2 hours later, With Joe and kids.
Lindzy and Tommy.. Time never given.
Johnny Sheffield notified at 5:00am arrived by about 5:30am by Marie, he was ask to check out the situation, they thought it was a PRANK..
Crystal and Marie’s arrival.. boy to touch on that one will bring lightening down.. When the statement, Crystal turned over and went back to sleep is made..
Lets say, it has different variations of the time. And different stories going along with it..
Mlee–Thanks so much. I have never seen a timeline if when anyone arrived so I appreciate you taking the time to give me the info..It was greatly appreciated. I knew Crystal and Marie’s time of arrival varies and has never been pinpointed or verified by a link. Thanks again.
Glad that some finally see Simon and Cobra as I see them. I also have doubts about TJ being honest and giving a damn about little HALEIGH!
Everyone in this case needs to remember this isn’t a popularity contest.. it is about a little girl with Turners Syndrome that is missing from a Putnam County home (does it really matter that it is a mobile home?). This is not about how super cool Cobra is or how TJ went crazy and has not stepped a foot in Putnam in months.. this is about a little girl. What if Ron had nothing to do with this.. then we have a father that lost his child and every photo of Haleigh that I have seen she had a huge smile on her face.
What about Crystal.. was she a good mother.. who knows hell, my mom wasn’t a good mother but I loved the hell out of her till the day she died.. and she loved me too but she wasn’t mom material.
As for Nancy Grace and Art Harris.. they have a job to do. That job is not unlike Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh.. it is to entertain by any means necessary to make ratings for the company they work for that brings in advertising. Same with Simon.. the real point is that in the end.. people are still talking about Haleigh Cummings.. a sweet child that was most likely abducted from her Putnam County home in Feb. 09
I fully expect to be banned again but that is fine I have a list of proxy servers!
Let’s not forget Marie notified at 5:00 AM. Crystal stated she could not get hold of her mother before that time.
What did AH do now? Provide money?
I’m behind.
Yeah, he filed those motions in TX after he deleted tons of evidence on his computer.
He was nonsuited from the case but his BusyStreet productions is being added as a third party.
mlee said,in August 25th, 2010 at 7:02 am ronfan said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 4:33 am
goodnight. goodmorning.
still don’t understand the 2:13am Tyler st. 911 call…I had always thought it might be a possibility that it was made cuz Tommy went back to his house, and Lindsey freaked out when she found out what happened? But I never knew all the facts about it, and now that it’s been brought up again with the 911 calls, it’s burning a darn hole in my head.
And Lindsey just always seemed (just as Chelsea) to be so far removed from it all.
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That drove me crazy also.. Couldn’t figure out why that deputy would have been to green lane prior to the 911 call..
Greenwood is the one that put out the info on the 2:15am call, at first I thought he had made a mistake, and of realize he wouldn’t make a mistake like that, but the other comment he made was odd. The reporter ask him about one of the grandmothers being at the house that night, and he said, yes one of the grandmothers went by to check the kids, and he said “Teresa Neves”..
Then I remembered, one of witness’s said that they heard misty outside on the phone at 2:30am, and that didn’t make any sense.. So, trying to put it together…
PCSO receives a call at 2:15am, and an officer is dispatched!! But, its not a call a supervisor would normally be involved in, like a check welfare on a person..
and the Deputy is sent to Green lane, who’s welfare? Misty or the children?
Its rather obvious when the Deputy went to green lane, no contact was made, because she went to Tyler Road.. If she had made contact with Misty, then a 911 call would never have been made.
The deputy would have remained with her and contacted the dispatcher, her supervisor etc..
So, What did she talk to Tommy about? She didn’t know a 5 year old little girl was missing? That had not been reported yet, So who was she looking for?? a 17 year old??
That would make, a strange call for this deputy..
Did tommy make any calls, trying to locate misty? Did he make contact and advised her there was a deputy at the house looking for her? We know misty did not have a key to that trailer.. she had given her keys back to ron the Thursday prior..
If she, the Deputy were checking welfare of a 17 year old, and then suddenly there is a 911 call from the empty house she was just at, where the 17 year old she was looking for, is calling in a missing 5 year old…. Then the dispatch tape begins to make sense.. 2 calls, 2 different juvenile females..
Then you bring this witness into this, about hearing misty at 2:30am on the phone outside talking.. why think its misty? could it have been another female on the phone at 2:30am and the witness just thought it was misty??
If thats the case then the person on the phone at 2:30am, could be the same person who made the call at 2:15am to PCSO.. and they were looking for misty and the kids, or just misty.
The deputy would have arrived at the residence between 2:30 and 3:00am depending on what she was doing, or how far she had to travel.. And she was still there, at 3:27am, and lindzy was there also..
Wouldn’t the Deputy notice any odd behavior on Tommys part, if suddenly, after he had just committed a terrible crime, that a Cop out of the clear blue sky, shows up at his door in the middle of the night.. The boy would have had soiled underwear!!! And the Cop would have noticed.
Last but not least…
And the Police cruiser stopping down near the trailer, could also be the sound of the vehicle heard and reported, as stopping with the motor running, and then driving back off.
So, there is something to chew on..
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It sure makes me wonder too? I do wonder tho if it weren’t TN looking for Misty to babysit so she could go with someone she had plans with and thats why she had the le jacket on too so if she’s seen out and about with a cop nobody would really think anything?
I know people doubt it but with these people ya just never know but it always makes me wonder why ron and tn took up for misty then and why they all put so much trust into one officer even for personal advice and Misty walked out on interviews and wouuld only talk to one officer she requested…hmm Did Misty know things on TN and the le officer??
just my thoughts outloud!
WhyLie said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Let’s not forget Marie notified at 5:00 AM. Crystal stated she could not get hold of her mother before that time.
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Oh yes.. But, we both know, we have both been beat up before for telling the story, and I know it will comeback again… Tell you the truth, been beat by the sharks with an ugly stick so many times for trying to tell the truth, my backside has permanent shark bites to it..
But, its story worth telling again.. Just have to build up my courage to get ready for the sharks.
They said it was a female officer at Tommys at 2:13 but if they changed everything else how do we even know that for sure?
To clarify my above statement…I WANT this to be about Haleigh. It SHOULD be about Haleigh. I was addressing those who say we shouldn’t be talking about “the other”, but that is what the article is about. Point is, don’t knock what someone writes because it is about the article content.
Melee and Ronfan, I had some thoughts too about that mysterious call (posted in another blog), but don’t have time this morning to address.
But here are some questions and other possibilities outside the box:
What about the people who say they heard a dog barking? (was it because Tommy and Lyndsy were fighting about him being out with JO all night and just getting home)?
Did Lyndsy call 911 and then hang up? (Did Lyndsy call when TC told her what JO did? And then did TC force her to hang up because he would be implicated, and to cover for him? OR did TC tell Lyndsy that Haleigh was missing and she dialed 911, in which he made her hang up because he was protecting his sister or himself?)
Did anyone consider that Tommy could of taken Misty’s cell phone that night while she was home asleep and that’s why no one answered it? Maybe he took it when he was out partying with JO in the woods doing meth? He returned it in time for Misty to try and call Ron.
So who was it over there making calls at 2;30am? Where they there making calls to try and find out where Tommy was? Was it Lyndsy? Did Misty tell her that someone had her phone and she thought it was Tommy? Did Lyndsy know at that time Haleigh was gone and was with TC and JO?
Did they “all” know and figure that JO was just pulling a prank by taking Haleigh? And didn’t want to bring the cops around? They would resolve it themselves with JO?
Did JO change his clothes to fresh ones before he laid down in the bed at Timmy and Chelsea?
Was Haleigh taken by someone else (I won’t say who) and JO thought he would get the blame and so did TC, so JO went back to Timmy’s and TC set the door up with the brick?
Did Misty set the door up with the brick, so that Ron would beleive her story that Haleigh was abducted? Did the person who took Haliegh set the door up or was it a really smooth, right out the (front or back door) operation? Was the door just a cover up?
Remember, Misty didn’t even know the name of the street they lived on in the 911 call. To me, that says a lot. Maybe she called to Green ? and the officer went to Greenwood then to Green Lane, ??? The street names are confusing.
Gotta run. Find Haleigh.
LadyDay said,
in August 24th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
….Somebody needs to step in and protect that woman…..
*****
Sorry to disagree, Lisa needs to step up and take care/protect herself. She is a grown woman, she has chosen her path in life, anyone that “step’s in” or trys to “protect” she will just use and abuse.
mlee said,in August 25th, 2010 at 8:11 am WhyLie said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Let’s not forget Marie notified at 5:00 AM. Crystal stated she could not get hold of her mother before that time.
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Oh yes.. But, we both know, we have both been beat up before for telling the story, and I know it will comeback again… Tell you the truth, been beat by the sharks with an ugly stick so many times for trying to tell the truth, my backside has permanent shark bites to it..
But, its story worth telling again.. Just have to build up my courage to get ready for the sharks.
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I know how ya feel,but fact is HaLeigh is missing and somebody knows what happened and whatever it was kept ron and tn from being honest!
bottom line for me??
Until the facts come out HaLeigh will never be found,see where we are now don’t ya?
So I’ll question every thought I can??
all I know for sure is TN Said she followed the 2nd patrol car into the drive??
posted that to you Robin,sorry..lol
I completely believe that Ron and his family kept some things from the public, smoothed over some things, if you will, per LE instructions. I believe that it was LE that “instructed” the family to keep Misty close to them in the hopes of Misty giving them info. I also believe that Misty had nothing/has nothing to tell because she doesn’t know. I think she strongly suspects but doesn’t know.
Cathy, I wish we had those car #’s. And the phone records…ugh.
ChattyCathy said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:12 am
They said it was a female officer at Tommys at 2:13 but if they changed everything else how do we even know that for sure?
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The call came in at 2:15 asp Greenwood, this would put the deputy arrival between 2:30 and 3:00, it would not be an emergency call.. This would be a courteous call.
Whylie, Misty has a pattern of going with “latest story” (lie), whatever it is.
I do too Jen!
The 2:13 call said the female was last seen an hr and a half ago? IIRC??? If not correct me but I’d bet someone was looking for Misty then??
I believe Greenwood has no clue and made an error in the time. Just like after months on the case they didn’t know what family member was related to whom. I don’t believe that there was a call made from Tyler prior to the 911 call. Just another case of sloppy police work and LE misinforming the public.
The Female officer that was at Tyler is the same female officer that arrived at Green Lane at the same time as Nelson. If she was at Tyler she would have heard the call and been the first to arrive at Green Lane, which is not the case.
Can someone please direct me to KP’s new rant!
911 Transcription / Misty Croslin / HaLeigh Cummings
OP: 1271. 265. Signal 8.
MLE1: 1271. <——- 1271 Answers dispatch.. Signal 8 is a missing child. (is this spoken or commentary?)
OP: 202 Green Lane. 2 zero 2 Green Lane. The complainant’s advising she cannot find her 5 year old daughter. The backdoor is open at this time.
MLE1: 10:4. _______51_____code _____17.
OP: It’s 51 code. Sierra 1120.
MLE1: 10:26. Go ahead and advise 1118, I believe she is in the squad room.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: I’m 10:26. I’ll be 10:8 in just a couple. 10:51. <——- this is 1271 responding
OP: 10:4. 1256. <——— dispatcher must have received a phone call from 1256, so dispatch knew she was there.
FLE1: You got a cross street?
OP: Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe Avenue. It’s going to be in Satsuma.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: I got the age on this kid. Is it a boy or girl?
OP: Whiskey Foxtrot. )white female) Last seen wearing her PJ’s.
MLE: 10:4.
FLE2: Advice 1256. <———– responding and asking to tell her
OP: 1256. <———— dispatcher again calls 1256
FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through? <——– 1256 requesting info on the trail.
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.
MLES: (short static)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Can you 10:21?
MLES: 10:4.
FLE1: Lima 1118. 10:8. 10:51. Back.
OP: 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Arvan(?) 20.
MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?
OP: 202 Green Lane. From Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe.
MLE1: 10:4. I’m not but a couple blocks. 10:4.
MLE1: 471 located 10:97.
OP: 10:4. 1297.
OP: 1271 or 1256 to 13. <——— advising both units to change channels
MLE1: 77.
OP: cool. (?)
[B]OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: When you get to 97, can you give us an update?
MLES: They’re 77, they just haven’t located yet, but they’re 77. <—–supervisor advising they are enroute to call
OP: 10:4.
OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler. <———-Tommy Croslin’s address (I assume this is the commentary added; if anyone has the transcriptions and are CERTAIN that it has no additions, please contact me)
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26. <———dispatcher asks you are at 116 Tyler St??
MLE1: What’s going on at 116? <——— Supervisor ask, what’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256. <———-Deputy calls Dispatch
OP: Go head. <———–Dispatcher Answers.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green. <–Deputy advises she is back in service going to green ln.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address. <— dispatcher advises she was verifying last seen.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago.. <–1256 is giving a timeline of verification
OP: 10:4.MLES: Sierra 1120 to Lima 1118.
OP: Lima 1118. Sierra 1120. She advises 10:84. 1118 was not working earlier.
MLES: Why not? (or what?)
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Reference call at 19 and 20. We believe it’s gonna all be in the city. If not, let us know. So far.
OP: So far.
FLE2: She’ll 10:8 to 51 to the south end. Also, I’ve talked to a (or the) City Supervisor, they’ve got a K-9 10:8 that’s gonna be en route.
OP: 10:4.
FLE2: When you get a good 10:8 from this location, if ya’ll just give him driving directions to where he needs to go. <—————- This is 1256 giving instructions on what she has already accomplished, by phone
OP: 10:4.
(static)
OP: 10:4. Go ahead.
FLE2: It’s off of Tyler. Take left. It’s a little dirt trail which comes around to Green Lane. Come in at back.
OP: 10:4. Tyler, take left, dirt trail, advise take right. <——- Giving instructions on how to get to green ln.
FLE2: 10:4. ______the first dirt road.
OP: 1256. 10:80 to LA Tuck (?).<—-this was an odd transmission, apparently a request to op by phone from 1256
MLES: Sierra 1120 to 1271.
MLES: 1120 to 1271.
MLE3: 1271. Go ahead sir.
MLES: Stay at the residence, maintain that point of access, reference for (or to) K-9’s and do another thorough search from inside the house. (this is 6 minutes into the calls)
MLE3: That’s 10:4.
MLES: 1120 to 1256.
FLE2: Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane. <————– She was not there previously!!
MLES: 10:4. Go ahead and gather as much information as you can get about any family or anything around here and uh, go ahead and call in and get her reported a signal 8.
OP: 10:4. It’s already done, Sir..
JenM ..
Lets break this down.. and food for thought.
1.If Lindzy had made a 911 call, looking for her husband. the Deputy’s would have come to her house first, to talk to her.. She didn’t, and because only one deputy was sent.. it was not a 911 call, requires more than one officer to respond, and a supervisor..
2. The dog call was reported during the day time hours.. not that night, that dog call was used to throw people off.. read the dog police report, it tells you, it has nothing to do with this.. It gives times and dates. And, if there had been dogs barking in the area that night, they would have dispatched 2 officers, since that would be a sign of a burglar/prowler. They did not do that…
3. No, tommy and lindzy, knew as much as the deputy did.. nothing about Haleigh until the 911 call came in.. And misty would have to stay on the phone until a deputy arrived.. thats the way they do it..
Now, think about Joe.. he was with chelsey and Timmy.. he came to the scene with Chelsey and Timmy.. If he left chelsey and Timmy house, he was home by the time they received the call. Now, if misty was not with Nay Nay, who claims she was with her baby daddy that night.. and she was not with tommy and Linzy, was she with Chelsey and timmy and joe?
If tommy while talking to the Deputy, possible made a call looking for Misty.. who do you think he would call first? Yep, timmy and Chelsey’s..
Within a short time, Misty appears.. now how could she have gotten there?? By the van?? Now, how could the van get to ron’s without the deputy seeing it?? Well, how about Monroe Alley which leads into Green lane, a little overgrown since its not used much.. gosh could scratch up a van….
Doesn’t anyone wonder what entered ron’s mind as he drives by Tommys house at 3:25 – 3:26 and low and behold, there is a cop setting at Tommy’s house in the middle of the night.. But, ron doesn’t stop to see if everyone is okay? He just goes on to his house, like nothing is happening??
Good morning, all!
On one topic: I think if LE had been informed that M was missing from the MH at any time that evening, then LE would have had to include the possibility that someone else got in there and took Haleigh while M was gone.
LE would have a “witness” who somehow noticed M’s absence from the MH at a certain time and reported it to LE at a certain time. They’d also know that at some point she returned (even if not exactly when).
Those would be extremely important elements to factor in to the case. And they have not been.
The fact that Ron did not stop at Tyler when seeing LE there just shows me that there was no cop at Tyler when Ron passed through.
If you want to figure out the time that those dispatch calls were being made, look up the train schedule. They say, it just passed through, that should give a clue to the timing of the calls.
On another topic, does anyone know if there are inpatient rehab facilities for homeless paupers?
And/or is there a free facility that the court could have ordered Lisa to go to when released from jail?
WhyLie,
thats why the transcript above tells you, she did not respond immediately to the dispatch, look at the transcript.. she came in on the call late.. and her supervisor had no idea where she was.. and she followed the male deputy down, as he responded to the call. See, there is this one little criteria, on a 911 call, it would requires two officers, one could not arrive before the other, because it is an emergency call requiring two officers to respond at the same time for their safety.. and the presence of a supervisor.. its a buddy system..
And Greenwood, would not make that mistake.. that too, is as it is.. Truth is Truth..
WhyLie, I may not be up to date on this supposed other call to police that night but I remember long ago that there was great debate about whether it even occurred that night and whether it had been transcribed correctly and entirely. Like for example, a number could have been interpreted as a time when it was really a code or something like that. So I’ve never put much stock in that supposed LE visit to T’s that night.
FLE2: Advice 1256. <———– responding and asking to tell her
OP: 1256. <———— dispatcher again calls 1256
FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through? <——– 1256 requesting info on the trail.
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.
Mlee, aren’t you using conjecture…you make it seem like your version is what happened. I don’t think that is a good idea. Just my opinion.
Here is a suggestion, All of your Police Dept. and Sheriff Dept, should have a ride along program, whereas they allow citizen to sign a waver of liability, and allow these citizen to ride along with them on shift. Now, my suggestion, if you don’t understand police procedures, sign up, ride with them.. But, choose the Graveyard shift, and watch how they handle calls, at 3:30am in the mornings. Then come back and lets discuss this..
~sigh~
How is she making it seem like thats what happened,sorry lol
we all know that no one knows what happened,allz I am saying’
bbl
Can someone please direct me to where i can find KP’s new rant?
mlee, all due respect to your opinion, but I’m not convinced there was a police car at T’s at that time that night. And even if there was, I would not expect R to stop and stick his nose into it. He’d probably figure (a) domestic problem or (b) T got caught stealiing again. Either way, even I would go home and check on my family first. THEN maybe go see what’s going on at T’s.
Also, I do not see any mention on M’s 911 call about there being a cop down the street or wherever. If I’d seen a cop close by I’d leave one person on the 911 call and run back to get the cop I’d just seen.
Listening to the calls, rather than reading a transcript is better for trying to figure what is what…imo.
How many times have we seen transcripts proven wrong?
jaba, that’s true, but often there is great debate on what was heard because the voices aren’t real clear, you know?
I often see awful mistakes in the captioning for major television programs because the person typing the transcript heard wrong – couldn’t make out the words right. And those are “professional” transcribers/captioning companies.
Tanya, check the Lisa Crashes and Burns thread.
mlee & JenM: Very thought provoking – great perspective. If you go back to Lindsay’s comments about getting rid of Tim & Tom’s work boots… she may have been involved. If so, she is a “cool cucumber”. She does not act guilty of anything (JMO).
Did Cobra ever discuss the 2:15 call or the exchange between officers? (Thanks for providing Cathy).
I didn’t realize Ron had to drive by Tommy’s house to get to his.
The Officer states “BACK to Green Lane” Dispatch then asks “Are you BACK at the house?”\
BACK AT is not hard to understand. It means she was at Green Lane, left, and is going BACK to Green Lane.
1256 was first on the scene at Green Lane along with Nelson. She then left Green Lane after Misty told them she walked with the kids to Tyler. 1256 left Green Lane and went to Tyler to look for Haleigh.
Nobody has a clue to what time this dispatch call was being made. 1256 advised that the K-9 unit had already been called, so obviously this call was not being made as soon as the 911 call came in.
Yes 1256 was at Tyler BUT she was at Green Lane first, thus the use of the word “BACK”.
Another thing with that transcript, whoever did it added their own little statements to it, putting in their own conclusions. Then it seems everybody just wants to jump on that bandwagon.
BACK to Green Lane should tell us that she was at Green Lane first, then Tyler, then BACK to Green Lane.
Good Morning To All.
LadySadie, Good Morning, I meant since Lisa is so vunerable and not book smart, someone should sort of look out for her. Last night I read somewhere that this lawyer wants to ‘mother’ Lisa. Yea, right. I am sorry, but I just do not beleive that.
I mulled some of this over last night and drew a conclusion that perhaps one or more of the other Croslins has also been approached by and got involved with certain people with promises and pretense of trying to help their children that are in jail, new autos, money, etc. for information and once they get what they want, they are going discard them completely. I see underhanded nonsense going on with this, cant quite put my finger on it, but if I had to guess, Id bet a guest reporter made promises to get a legal ‘expert’ on tv, the expert is going to work it to their advantage, the Croslins will get what they want which will be small pittance and of course get shafted in the process and if there is someone else invovled, they will get what they want. Some people invested money in this family and I dont think they are just going to walk away from a million dollar story. I cant help but wonder if CS and that family got put in their place by some sort of threat as well. Never play around with a lawyer that has ulterior motives. JMO.
I agree withe the person that said scroll on by what you think is bull.I don’t agree with a lot of what is said but just ignore it.Some people just like to stir the pot and see if they get a reaction.
I enjoy Simon and Jan’s post.They are very informative.I just refuse to read the BS comments made by people who have no interest in Haleigh.
Bless you Simon and Jan for the hard work you do.Thanks and will continue to look forward to new post.
Lots of assumptions, lots of play on words going on here today.
Barking dogs mean prowler/burglar…or coon annoying them or cat digging in garbage can.
Procedures. Must follow book A-B-C…missing child is not exactly a danger to a responder. Ever have a 9-11 call yourself and have one cop show up with another arriving shortly? I have. At least a good five minutes inbetween the two arrivals. Not saying a ‘oops’ did not occur when they did this, but yep, did not remotely even arrive together at my home nor wait for another to get there before entering house. Sh#t happens to ‘rules and procedures’ from time to time.
Back. Okay. Back to what? Did it mean ‘I am going back to green lane’ as in I was just there? Or did it mean ‘I’m going on back towards green lane’ as in ‘I’m traveling on down to the address on down the street’?
We can play with words all day and bet not a one of us agrees on any EXACT meaning.
Rather goes back to what ‘spin’ is all about. You, me and the next guy can ‘spin’ anything we want in the direct ‘we’ want it to go. Truthful or not, spin is nothing more than how ‘we’ want the other person/side to percieve any given issues. Perception is everything.
Crystal Sheffield, the mother of missing child Haleigh Cummings, is restrained by her mother Marie Griffis and her brother Johnny Sheffield Jr., from going over to Lisa Croslin, the mother of Misty Croslin, while Croslin does an interview with the media in the parking lot of the Putnam County Courthouse Friday, August 20, 2010. (Doug Finger/The Gainesville Sun)
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I am certain the caption under the pic was what makes us believe it was an attack,
but I am shocked that we didn’t hear thet cs attacked Lisa at the shelter to take her drugs,LoL Sorry but honestly,ya just gotta take it with a grain of rock salt?
Until the Sunshine Law kicks in, Im afraid we will probably never exactly know about phone calls the night of Feb. 9th/Feb. 10th. What I gather is the first 911 call was a hang-up. Then it was reported the call was made about Misty not being in the Green home, I do not think a person in LE would make such a mistake. It was also reported that Misty had gone off and left the children many times before all this happened so that would be part of the reason for Ronalds calls, whether there were 22 or 99. Personally, I dont think there were 99 calls, the battery would die before that would happen. JMO.
This has turned so ugly and now involves a side show of various characters. All anybody really wants is the honest truth and to find and bring Haleigh back home. Everybody needs to come back into focus and find her. The truth is sitting in jail, no doubt about that. I am not defending Ronald, but he met his Donneybrook when he hooked up with that family.
IMVHO I don’t know how we could ever believe anything we get from media or the www,we shouldn’t expect to because somebody would have had to told the truth to begin with and we know that hasn’t happened?? just sayin’
Hardys boy got out of jail right??
Has anyone here, or anywhere else for that matter, done an actual timeline of events of that first 48 hours, including TN/AS visiting, 911 calls, first people to show up on scene, transcripts of media interviews of that first few days?
Jules, speaking of Crystal’s pic, except for a small shot posted by link here the other day, (Crystal in middle, mom in front of her).
I went over to the newsjax4 briefly and looked over more but did not find them before I had to run errands. Do you have a link (or someone else here)?
I’ve read the comments and would like to see the pics. Is Lisa actually anywhere near Crystal during these photos?
From the one photo I saw I could not get any idea of what it was all about. For all I could see in the photo was the three Sheffield bunch.
I could go wild on just that…maybe Crystal was going to smack the photgrapher? The reporter asking annoying questions. Anything.
Is there a ‘story’ or additonal coverage of the ‘crazed’ Crystal shot? I’m not getting what it is all about.
And as an aside…I have a question on the Lisa in the halfway/rehab home as I’m not familiar with exactly the way the norm is when it comes to guidelines. Question: When there are clients that take meds, how are the meds handled? Considering some of the clients are trying to stay clean and/or recover, do they (the staff) lock up and hand out according to prescription or do the clients hold and self discipline themselves on taking as was directed?
Curious as to how that works in these type of places as it would seem as a terrible temptation I would think to overtake their neds and/or sell them to others in the home, other clients steal them ect.
Morning,
IMO There was never a call prior to the 911 call placed by Misty at 3:27 AM. How many times are we all going to have this debate and discussion without coming to some logical conclusion? Since we first heard Greenwood make these comments no one has been able to confirm this alleged call at 2:15am with PCSO. There is no record of a prior 911 call. Whylie just pointed out that the officer was at Green lane first before going to the Croslins on Tyler. The fact that Greenwood made the mistake by saying it was TN instead of GGS is a clue IMO as to what we knew to be the truth and what IMO would be considered an honest mistake by Greenwood.
What would be the purpose of blacking out a witness name and info on the original police report,I am only asking because it made me curious and I don’t know the 1st thing about the legalities??
The other’s aren’t blacked out,just the one??
I posted the link for a detailed timeline so hope it shows Bear!
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902140291
Because the witness was a juvenile. Protocol.
I always thought that people genuinely cared about what happened to Haleigh Cummings. I know that’s why I return again and again. It’s why I comment, and it’s why I’ve explored the vast world wide web to see if I can find any answers. I know you have your lawyers who are all business and what to make a name for themselves (Baez), but I think most entered the case because a sweet face little girl went missing, and it’s such a great tragedy. At times I wish I had become a police office so I could help find little children and return them to their homes, but I know it does not always end that way. God bless everyone who cares and Haleigh’s family.
I always thought that people genuinely cared about what happened to Haleigh Cummings. I know that’s why I return again and again. It’s why I comment, and it’s why I’ve explored the vast world wide web to see if I can find any answers. I know you have your lawyers who are all business and want to make a name for themselves (Baez), but I think most entered the case because a sweet face little girl went missing, and it’s such a great tragedy. At times I wish I had become a police officer so I could help find little children and return them to their homes, but I know it does not always end that way. God bless everyone who cares and Haleigh’s family.
Oh I see,makes sense,LoL TY Mam!
Just to add…sorry about the double post.
If I were a police officer…I’d probably shoot my foot off. I think I’d make a great non-gun toting detective if there is such a thing.
Barney style cop?? rofl
There was NO 911 call from 116 Tyler that night. Someone checked with PCSO and was told there were no calls from that house that night.
The transcripts have no times and are redacted so they don’t tell the whole story.
There was no dog call to that address that night either.
Gosh,I never thought of it this way but the complaining party was a minor so it’s a miracle we know who lost Haleigh,LoL Not funny funny,but funny on the one side I guess?
same result now though,we still don’t know nothing!
/me crawls out the door
how in the world did mine post twice with different times,there’s a glitch somewhere!
My comment double posted because I noticed I had misspelled words and thought I could stop it from posting. It look like it had stopped, but when I after I corrected the misspellings and reposted it was in there twice. Moral, stopping the comment mid-post does not work.
Thanks, CC for the link!
That’s a good start, but I think it would be interesting to see a more detailed one-one with transcripts of exact words from interviews and one that gives the timing of arrivals of other family members. I’d love to see us BNN bloggers spending time on getting that together instead of what has been going on here lately.
Justice for Haleigh!
Thanks for pointing out Whylie’s above posting, TM39. Wonder how I managed to scroll over them. Yep, think that about clarifies the ’2:15′ call for me at leat, there was not one IMO.
I see Cathy on the other thread ended up answering my question about the Crystal photo bit. Caption of photo was Crystal was trying to go over to where Lisa was giving an interview. Okay, that makes sense to me. Crystal did not need to go over and stick her nose in someone else’s interview. Enough of a carnival theme around it all, no need to add to it. Don’t mean she was going to attack Lisa. The stress and constant cameras in these people’s faces must be overwhelming.
That link I posted to Blink on Crime is an old one..sorry about that. UGH!
How long are we all going to have these debates and discussions without coming to some logical conclusions? IMO this inability for all to appreciate those that have done their homework and diligent research to clarify the facts for those that chose not to is exasperating. IMO we all loose when those ugly facts are challenged with no reasonable cause aside from a agenda that reeks of an ongoing attempt at keeping the facts in question and the public in continuous confusion is the most maddening aspect to this case.
The goal is to eliminate POI and build a theory based on facts. The argument that we are forgetting HaLeigh is really not the problem IMO it is our inability to come together and work through this mess and eliminate all the BS form the public’s search efforts.
If you lost something it is always best to retrace your steps (time line), but, if someone stole something it is important in the search to recover to understand the crime, motive and window of opportunity (time line), which leads in most cases to a suspect or POI and then the evidence is the way to determine the truth.
just-saying said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 11:53 am
IMO it was not Crystals intentions to attack Lisa, but, it would appear she was wanting to confront Lisa and was being held back and advised not to by her mother and brother.
Hello Everyone.
Heya Looking!!!!!! Good to see ya!
I have a question for all of you. Would several mean more than 3?
Right Bear,I agree with ya!
TM39
Usually means more than 2 or 3.
So if we all get together and fill in the blanks, we could have the best timeline available yet. What do ya’ll think? Where do we start? Haleigh coming home from school?
TY Little Bear. So is it the consensus that several would be more than 3.
–”advised not to by her mother and brother”.
And wise advice it was. I can just picture the ‘bombshell tonight’ crap had the reporters been able to get a load of the two ladies together in the same scene. It really must be terrible to have camera and mics tagging one’s every move.
Hi Jules I am sure that like me you can’t read all the posts. I posted one this morning a 5:09 am. Here I try to address the false stories and rumors that exist. I have no personal problems with Ed Harris and can relate more to Nancy grace. It is their poor journalism practice that makes my blood boil. Every evening is “explosive new developments”, breaking news. This gets viewers all hyped up for nothing. BNN reported this stuff hours if not a day before reporting on new findings. Many people use jvm,NG + AH present viewers with information and let them decide. unless they have pc they are getting only a one sided report. Mike Brooks the legal consultant for HLN is still part of his police brotherhood. He worked many years for them + is unable to be objective when it comes to police performance, surveillance and entrapment.
Sorry for long comment
Little Bear I believe the time line need to include weeks prior. These families have a long history and IMO it is a important factor in HaLeigh’s abduction.
I think you are right TM39. For example, alleged fights between Ron and Joe, etc…
When did that supposedly happen? Anyone know what day?
Hi ChattyCathy!
I think several means more than 3. I think it means between 5&7.
From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
several: more than two but fewer than many
Does anyone know why TJ Hart pulled his article about Lisa that pointed to the BNN article from The Sky 97.3 site?
We do know that Ron and Misty had a fight.
We do know that Timmy and Hank where involved in a accident.
We do know that cousin Joe was visiting his relatives the Croslins.
We know the children where with Crystal the weekend before HaLiegh was abducted.
We do know that Ron and Crystal where served with notice of a court hearing scheduled for CS’s non payment of child support.
All of these happenings took place days before HaLeighs abduction, but, would like to point out that a lot had taken place in the months prior that actually led to the circumstances the night of Feb. 9th and early morning of the 10th..
No Crystal had the kids two weekends before. On Jan.31- feb. 1. Thw weekend before she went missing they were with Ron feb. 7-8. jmo
Include in these known facts such as:
DCF involvement months prior with no obvious findings of abuse.
Rons recent move to the Green Lane address and reasons why.
Ron installed new locks on all the doors in his new home.
Ron’s comment of who knew is new address and his reasoning to keep it secret.
Ron’s new job with PDF.
Ron’s new work hours.
So. Timeline should start the first day Ron meets Misty?
i did not mean the weekend of the 6th-8th, I am sorry I should of clarified that by dating my statement. Sorry and you are correct.
In early reports it was being stated that LE was working on a 30 Day history/timeline going back prior to the day Haleigh went missing.
I was reading old news reports about Haleigh’s case in ‘Finding Missing Kids’ and there were a number of articles that had been saved there from the local media papers.
One had reported first how the back door was left open and blanket and sheets trailed down the ramp. Then the following day or two the next article explained that the blanket/sheets had been taken out for the hounds to get scent.
First report would have been what reporters or onlookers could see and second report would have been putting it in the context of the actual ‘why and how’ the bedding was out there.
Was allow reading interview from the neighbor gentleman, Mr. Batchelor and how LE had ‘torn my house apart’ and the sheds.
It’d been a long time since I had read some of these articles that it’s easy to forget the ones that ‘poof’ due to archive systems.
I would think that would be a great start. IMO that is when things became interesting for Ron. DCF involvement is a good indication that someone had a problem with Misty being the caregiver for Ron.
When did they first meet? I heard the interview from the neighbor about when he thinks it was, but was that the first meeting? I doubt it. Anyone know?
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in August 24th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
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I agree with this statement, What purpose did this article serve? I think ignoring it would have been better. This has NOTHING to do with finding Haleigh. Thats sad.
For those of you interested the HInky Meter has a new article up about Eric Preimesberger. That is why I came to BNN actually, to see if they had also posted it. Then saw a new Haleigh article, and though oh Good!, but then I read it and come to find out it is a spiteful message to other ppl, that are of NO USE Haleigh or her investigation. I also see they havent had time to post a article about Eric either. ;(
Amber Brooks does come to mind when you sit back and think about her past with Misty and the fact that Ron and Amber have a history together and possible (not proven) a child together. IMO the fact that Amber’s back yard was not so clean when these reports where being made leads me to believe it was not her that was making a fuss about Ron and Misty’s arrangements. In fact Amber’s mom took care of it so to speak and was charged. I found it interesting that Sarah had it out with Amber soon after. IMO it all leads us to understand that all these young people have some problems with one another and do not forget the drug use that seems to be a common theme in all of these young peoples life.
Do we really know when DCF got involved or could it have been when Ron was living with Amber? There seems to be alot of fighting going on at that time too. This could be why he moved. Mistys my space comments to Amber were still going on after she was gone. We know for a fact Misty was friends with Amber and babysat Jordan so Misty had to have met Ron before the bus stop. Amber left when Jordan was 6 wks old according to reports from Ambers grandmother. jmo
Obviously we are all going to have to continue to read about the BS because no one wants to drop the subject,Karri.
I believe if LE was called to an assualt( Misty, Chelsea, Amber and her mom) and children were present DCF would be called???
And Misty was making threats on my spaces too.
Heck for all we know Chelsea and Misty could have called DCF on Ron and Amber. Wasnt it said that Misty warned Ron about Amber leaving the baby with strangers so she could party and then went and told Amber she needed to get the baby away from Ron? Sounded to me like Misty wanted to cause a break up so she could have Ambers Man, just like she posted it on her my space. jmo
Now there is a person with motive, Amber hated both Ron and Misty. She had a fight with Misty at a party that weekend too. NayNay is friends with Amber and knows where Ron lives. She probably also knows Misty leaves some nights to go party. Amber is still on my list. jmo
tobias I think that if we had no information after 18 it would be reasonable for us to speculating at best at who all had a motive, but, we all now know it was Marie and Crystal that where making those reports to DCF.
I’m wondering if there is any truth to what the other sites are saying about BNN making money from the Google Advertisements on every page? I do know of some people that have made quite a bit of money from the Google ad’s just had never noticed them on this site until today.
IMO it is a good chance Amber had a part in HaLeighs abduction.
DCF does not release who makes the complaint to them so how again do we know? And they dont say what was found or wasnt either. JMO
I believe R himself said that DCFS had told him that both children had to have a room of their own so he moved to a larger home. So that’s one thing.
JO was in town when Haleigh went missing. JO has now been founded to use drugs or sell drugs, thus, making it probable he was using the weekend he was visiting the Croslins. He was planning on leaving the next day so if he’s going to get the gun it has to be when Ron is away. Implicating JO doesn’t get MC and TC out of trouble, so why would they implicate JO if it wasn’t true? It’s almost cut and dry…end of story to me. It makes total sense. IMO
Honestly I could care less on what and how Simon and Jan fund this forum and there weekly shows and IMO it is something that should be understood by those that use the internet that it is the nature of the beast to generate revenue by advertisements to cover costs of overhead. What will it be next to take the focus off the point we are all here discussing. PM those Q. to Simon or Jan if you want the answer. I think many of us have had enough of the attacks on Simon and Jan and want this forum to be utilized in the manner it was intended for and by whom we have to thank for the platform to give our thoughts and opinions about this case freely on. I say enough with all the BS.
Also, I read an early mainstream article and LE said that yes DCFS had visited and he left it at that for confidentiality purposes.
And I believe it was MG herself – or KP – who said CS (probably in the form of MG) sicced DCFS on R. So I believe it’s safe to say that DCFS had been or was continuing to visit.
tobias, read the Bar Complaint. Debate the facts on WS please or where ever everyone else wants to stay confused. I will stand by the fact it was Marie and Crystal and KP all though has an agenda could not lie (to much) in that Bar Complaint rebuttal.
Tobias you are right that Ron would have to had known Misty before the bus stop. Misty baby sat Jordan for Amber. I wonder if Misty had already met Haleigh and Jr.before Sept 2009. According to Misty she had only known Haleigh for about a year.
The thing with that bar complaint is unless Crystal and Marie could point blank prove what she said was a lie she could pretty much say anything. And I wouldnt put it past her after this recent mess. imo
Lana – because for Jan and Simon and the very few other good people on this earth, the reward is helping others.
I think Jan has made it clear that NO ONE is paying them for their time or to write these articles.
I believe that kind of income comes from writing book reviews and so forth.
So we where discussing the months prior and the young people involved in HaLeigh’s life. IMO it was mostly family members the children where exposed too and that in its self can narrow down the suspect list.
Tobias, what are you doubting? That DCF was visiting or that MG and CS made the complaints?
And if they didn’t, then who do you think did?
Then why are the advertisements on these articles? Google pays by the # of hits on the page their ad’s are on.
Lana @ 1:29 – You said, “it’s not the case.” Who said that? Maybe Simon is trying to verify the story. I know for a fact that they’ve corrected stories in the past because they do strive to report honestly. If you don’t believe that, then maybe you’d be happier on another blog?
Lana said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
The title of this page encourages the BS. IMO
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IMO the article is old news now and a lot has already been said. IT is sad that all that have a problem with the tit for tat mentality is feeding it still with the snide remarks.
And TM39, no I personally don’t care if BNN makes money off writing these articles, at least it keeps Haleigh’s name out there. The only thing is would do is color the way I view what is written in the article.
m2c, TJ reported that there were a handful of DCF complaints against Ronald by Crystal prior to Haleighs disappearance. I can agree with you that DCF were still investigating those claims and with the school complaint against Ronald for all of Haleighs unexcused absences and tardies made it even more pertininent for them to stay involved.
I do not have any google ad on my screen or the BNN home page or any other article that I’ve looked at today.
LFJ, Kelly Dodd( NayNays sister) stated on you tube ( interview about letter) that they had known Misty for 4 years( when she lived in Flagler). Nay Nay knew her before she even moved to Satsuma. Misty knew Amber too. jmo
Do you have the date Jordan was born? Because that would narrow it down some, Misty babysat him befroe Amber left Ron which was 6 weeks after Jordan was born. jmo
MC2 was that the article that said DCFS had been involved in the past but had not been to Ron’s new address?
Very top left hand corner
It is common practice to put Google ads on any type of site. I highly doubt J&S are making very much money on Google Ads. That is a rarity. Google ads are ubiquitous (everywhere). Stop worrying about Google ads. It is inconsequential and a silly thing to pick on, IMHO.
Hi, just-sayin! I don’t remember a specific address being referred to. Just that visits had been made but that’s all LE said. I think it was within the first week after Haleigh’s disappearance.
Probably the same article where LE said they didn’t think it was a custody thing. (Which to me was too early to rule out but anyhoo…)
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No, there is no ad in the top left of my screen. No google ad anywhere.
LadySadie said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
And TM39, no I personally don’t care if BNN makes money off writing these articles, at least it keeps Haleigh’s name out there. The only thing is would do is color the way I view what is written in the article.
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I would agree if it where not a fact that we are regulars here and know the truth about Simon and Jan’s integrity and would know and defend that and the article and its worth to this case. IMO the fact that KP and AH are again involved is interesting and gives us pause and a right to ask WTF is now going on since we all know KP and AH true colors.
I view Simons and Jans articles as honesty. They report what a tipster gives them. I went searching for that comment and found it on Levis blog page. Someone twitted him that info about Lisa Croslin and that Simon got it wrong. It was not Simon who got it wrong. It was the source that gave it to him.It could have been intentional for all we know; not saying that it was definitely. There have been many that have gotten burned a couple of times by a source. I personally listen and read any article I can to get as much info as I can. I will not bash any journalist who is keeping this story alive.
m2c said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Also, I read an early mainstream article and LE said that yes DCFS had visited and he left it at that for confidentiality purposes.
And I believe it was MG herself – or KP – who said CS (probably in the form of MG) sicced DCFS on R. So I believe it’s safe to say that DCFS had been or was continuing to visit
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It was Marie that called and called. I believe she even called them on Crystal at one time.
M2C, No just that others were also making complaints and I feel DCFS dropped the ball. In hindsight I can totally agree that the calls should have been made, and some should have been made to Crystals family situation too.And possibly were by Chads ex .JMO
tobias said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
DCF does not release who makes the complaint to them so how again do we know? And they dont say what was found or wasnt either. JMO
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That is not quite correct.
DCF will only withhold that information at the request of the complaining party. If the party does not request DCF withholds the information, it goes into the report and is available.
We know that Marie has offered up in Court under oath that she called DCF (was that on Crystal? I don’t remember, I haven’t read the transcript in some time)
ALSO, a person/parties who make multiple unfounded reports are at risk of getting in trouble with the law.
Tobias I do not have Jordans birthdate. It would be helpful; I agree.
That would of put Misty at 13 or 14 tears of age.
oops years
One last comment on this topic: I would not care if Jan and Simon made a LOT of money on these articles (although I know they don’t). God knows it’s a thankless task, it takes countless hours to research, write, put a radio show together, and monitor the juvenile, nasty goings-on in here. IF they made any money it would probably work out to fifty cents an hour. And on top of that they’ve got the likes of WebSleuths stealing tapes that Simon and TJ put hours and hours of work into to make them playable on the net. And what do they get in return for that? WS people over here rudely demanding MORE tapes they can rip off for free and with no effort.
Jordan is a little over 2 I believe.
No, actually she was 16 when Ron started seeing Misty, to our knowledge anyways. She would of been 12 or 13.
It is so funny that DCF dropped that ball in front of a nation looking for a child that came up missing from that home in the care of Misty the 17 year old live in girl friend. IMO that speaks louder than the argument that HaLeigh fell though the crack in the system, because Jr. was considered safe in that home. In fact it was DCF’s recommendation that Jr. stay in the custody of the Cummings in January 2010.
Yes Misty would have been 14 when she met NayNay and her sister Kelly. I know NayNay has been reered to being a long time friend of the family. jmo
I have google ads to my right side of the screen, but to me it does not mean a thing.
Tobias, I had not heard that anyone other than CS/MG made complaints against R with DCFS. Who was that, do you know? If it’s not been mentioned specifically, it might not be true. I believe there was a real campaign against R and a lot of unsubstantiated carp was alleged – by people who didn’t even know R or live anywhere nearby.
lfj, me too. Even if I could see them, I really don’t mind Jan and Simon being able to put food on their table. And I do NOT think that any advertisor would have ANY influence on what Simon or Jan write if that’s what’s being implied, do you?
Texasmommy I agree with you that a DCF worker recommended that Jr. remain with Annette Sykes. I wonder why the judge went against that recommendation when normally they side with DCF.
Plus Jr. was no longer in just Misty and Rons care. He was now in Annettes home with her present.
I don’t mind either, but Jan says over and over that they don’t make money. In one instance she said they wait for the checks to come in, so I don’t know.
Seems the Barretts are strangers to the truth, just like Casey Anthony.
I think Amber’s baby turned 2 this past June, around there. He was only a few months old when Misty and Ron got together.
I dont think they advertise if you are out of the US. Are you in the US? Just curious because my brother says that could be the reason you arent seeing the ads by google. jmo
lfj, that is a very good Q.
Only article quickly found so far was from Fox News Feb 17 2009 and it only confirms involvement.
–”He [Capt Steve Rose] wouldn’t comment on what authorities have learned about the sequence of events before and after the child was discovered missing.
Police had never been called to the home in the past, but there have been investigations by a social services agency involving Cummings, Croslin and Haleigh and her 4-year-old brother Junior, according to Rose. He hasn’t revealed the nature of those cases.
The Florida Department of Children and Families confirmed that the agency “was involved with the family,” but wouldn’t disclose details, citing confidentiality laws.”–
I look more later…gotta pick up my little one.
Oh, Lana, fps. As I said, they get paid for writing book reviews and music DVD reviews and Young and Restless updates. THOSE are the checks Jan refers to. If they get money for those ads, I think the same google ad you’re seeing would be on EVERY article and the home page. ONE SMALL AD for pete’s sake. That does NOT equate to “being paid to write articles about these children.”
Oh yeah, I am sure Jan and Simon are just rolling in the dough since they write articles and post google ads. Geez people, get a grip. Who cares if they get a few cents from Google ads to help keep the site up. You don’t like it, there are other sites to go to, like WS, or that monkey sight, or AH’s site, who actually SELL advertising space.
Thank you, just-sayin. That’s the article I had read. Just couldn’t put my hands on it again fast enough.
Lana, What is the big deal? It cannot be much. I wish they got paid for all the hard work they put into this network and babysitting all of us so that they can keep a clean and civil blog going for Haleigh.
As well as CS being dirty when they tested her for drugs.
All I can say is it is MO that this investigation is the first of its kind.
I have a theory as to what possible could be going on and at this point each day that passes gives it more substance.
A clever cop can catch a clever criminal is my thinking.
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Lana, What is the big deal? It cannot be much. I wish they got paid for all the hard work they put into this network and babysitting all of us so that they can keep a clean and civil blog going for Haleigh.
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The big deal is it continues to stir the shit. If they don’t like how this site is run then they need to go somewhere else, no one is holding a gun to their heads to stay here and read.
Okay, this is my last comment on this topic. This attack on Jan and Simon seems to me to be designed to accomplish one of two things: get the comments section closed down again or get Jan and Simon so disgusted that they stop writing these articles. Now what kind of person (or website) would have those motives? Hmmmm.
Vaq, I 100% agree!
Vaq, True we could all go into to the private froum and then where would they be? I noticed too that those other sites carried video and audio from this site and talk about listening to the radio shows. I dont understand why they use the site then backstab? jmo
Art Harris behaved very badly in the Anna Nicole Smith debacle, badmouthing Virgie Arthur and siding with HKS. Art has a forum on his website that was nothing more than a cheerleading section for HKS, now all deleted. Opposing opinions were not welcome. He and Nancy are cut from the same cloth. He is just so much sneakier and smarmier. Remember Nancy drooling over Ron Cummings,the bereaved father and convicted drug dealer
Someone help me out here. I believe anyone can set up a blog page here and it is free. Is that correct?
Yep that’s what it looks like to me. So either we have hit a nerve or an agenda to thicken the plot is in play.
I also wonder what a certain journalist is going to report on this Thursday? What new info was he going to report? It was supposed to be on Tuesday but got moved to Thursday.hmmm.jmo
Also we have yet to see that interview that Lisa was giving when it was reported CS was going to go after her. hmmm maybe it will show up on a program soon???? jmo
lfj, I think with Simon’s permission an author can post an article on BNN with room under it for comments. That’s why BNN has articles on such a variety of subjects from many different authors.
Lana said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I don’t mind either, but Jan says over and over that they don’t make money. In one instance she said they wait for the checks to come in, so I don’t know.
Seems the Barretts are strangers to the truth, just like Casey Anthony.
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This is flat sick to compare Jan and Simon to Casey. Come on! Get real!
This just annoys me. I take them at their word, I believe them, they write these articles because they care.
BUT IF I couldn’t believe them common sense tells me it wouldn’t be worth it to get a few advertising dollars and have to put up with the shit that this blog causes!!!!
Wild accusations and speculations combined with the childishness of some of the posters would not be worth it.
I guarantee they could make the money much easier doing something else. SOOOOOO if you don’t just believe them use some common sense and let this ridiculous issue go. Move on. JMO
Yeah m2c. I was looking at the main page last night and I am certain it said start your own blog page for free. If that is the case the google ads fund the entire website so they do not have to pay for their articles here. Does that sound correct?
WTH Does it always come down to what somebody is making due to ads or whatever?
Why does that matter? I would love to know that!
For the past 3 days thats All i have heard,why should it matter if anybody who reports on the case makes money on a dang ad? Exactly how does that relate to Haleigh??????
Don’t news men make money for reporting wether,don’t the news station make money to keep us informed,I am sorry but what the hell is the problem? Ya don’t have to agree with who reports it but what does it have to do with money,when it has been explained a million times bnn does not make mney for this,why is that so hard to accept??
sorry,but I am blue in the damn face with this crap!
AMEN!!!!!!!! Treece
I believe we need a new article and one that will put the focus back on the task at hand and that is looking for the TRUTH and establishing it as such and that will lead all to HaLeigh.
LadySadie said,in August 25th, 2010 at 1:07 pm I’m wondering if there is any truth to what the other sites are saying about BNN making money from the Google Advertisements on every page? I do know of some people that have made quite a bit of money from the Google ad’s just had never noticed them on this site until today.
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I know j/s explained yesterday but still it never frikkin ends!
Treece,u still here,sorry i didn’t see you there! Hey!
A couple people are here to cause trouble and I’m sure they’re giggling triumphantly (on a blog about a missing child, I might add). Sick, sick, sick.
Maybe we should not dignify them and their nasty comments with a response. I’m going to stop now.
Back to the topic – HALEIGH!
I remember that same person saying she would not speak to me because i disrespect jan?? Jezz what the hell is that??
How about a article that takes a deep look at the police report and the scent trail the Blood Hounds followed the morning of the 10th. IMO this is one thing that can be put to the test and the results considered relevant to the crime.
You can get a blog most anywhere free Looking,I swear to my God,this is ridiculous ain’t it?
I just looked at the blogtalkradio page it said that they have FREE to premium packages available. Now these ads help keep the cost down for folks like Simon and Jan to go out and help broadcast info to continue to keep Haleigh and all the missing victims young and old front and center. Therefore they more than likely pay to do this wonderful, heartfelt job!!!!!; not recieve payment!!!!
and worse yet,why the hell lie about it?
jeez,need a tank to haul the bs in here!
and you can see the dang ads on the page for crying outloud,I know the topic is HaLeigh,believe me I do but the 2nd ya come in heres another one questioning money motive?? its plumb stupid is what it is!
Even that doesnt prove much since the scent can be detected by the bloodhounds for up to months. And since Haleigh did walk with Misty or ride her bike around the area the scent trails are not so important. Also she rode on the bus around the area . jmo
Yes ChattyCathy, this is rediculous.
Lets get back to Haleigh God Bless her little soul.
how about an article for all the people who are curious who makes what?
I’d love to Looking,but it’s gonna cost us something??
Good point Tobias!!
How about a thought provoking article about the recent statements given by Ron’s Attorney and his current plea deal. Simon and Jan,I am sure you are digging deep into the how comes of the most recent events, but, as you know we are left hanging
for the moment and in a position that leaves us no choice to ignore the MOB. IMO our intelligence was and is continually Q. with each attack and goes beyond what can be ignored.
vaquera said,in August 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Lana, What is the big deal? It cannot be much. I wish they got paid for all the hard work they put into this network and babysitting all of us so that they can keep a clean and civil blog going for Haleigh.
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The big deal is it continues to stir the shit. If they don’t like how this site is run then they need to go somewhere else, no one is holding a gun to their heads to stay here and read.
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Finally we agree totally!
LadySady!!!!!!!!
The only curious hit was on the dumpster but that could have been from where ever the dumpster had been previous to that site. And since Haleigh had not been gone (or presumed dead) long there wouldnt be decomp to smell. jmo
I hope not Chatty.
months ago,which i don’t care,i’d forgot it till i read the post i posted a second ago?? thats why it flipped me out,me disrespectful?? geeeee
Cathy, I would be more interested in where all the traffic light cameras are located in the area. We know about the one on 17, but are there others? jmo
Tobias, I am confused about the order in which each type of dog searched and where.
Were the cadaver dogs second and they scented on the dumpster?
While the bloodhounds found more of a trail that wound around?
It’s their article for them to title any way they choose. It’s their article to write any way they choose. It’s their site to put up ads or not as they choose.
Nice thing about the net, you are not locked into any one site. Don’t like the titles, or the articles, or the flipping ads, then go elsewhere. No big deal, for gosh sakes.
tobias said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Even that doesnt prove much since the scent can be detected by the bloodhounds for up to months. And since Haleigh did walk with Misty or ride her bike around the area the scent trails are not so important. Also she rode on the bus around the area . jmo
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The bus picked up at the front of the MH park. As far as the subject of the use of and waiting on a particular trained dog gives me pause to disregard their efforts. IMO the officers had the tools in place to get the maximum results and we have the truth of what was witnessed in that police report. It is my opinion that it is within these first glimpses at this crime that can assist us in finding the truth.
I did not say at anytime you disrespected anybody?
You assumed that yourself! But fog me all ya want!
I find the tracking of the K-9 much more interesting then the tracking of the hounds. No way was Haleigh and/or Misty in those woods where the K-9 first tracked. To me that tracking is much more revealing then the others.
I feel I need to make a statement about what apparently was a comment attributed to Kim Picazio.
Neither Jan nor I derive any compensation from BNN. People may say that we write articles to drive hits, and make money. I can assure you that that is not the case. Jan and I will happily tale a lie detector test, we do not earn a single cent from BNN.
Neither do we have a shadow corp such as Busy Streets.
Reporting on Haleigh, Caylee and the other cases we follow is something that we choose to do. In fact it has a negative impact on our cash flow. Every hour that we spend writing or on the phone about any of these cases is an hour that we are not making money.
What we report is what we can do our best to verify as the truth. Of course there are people that prefer to add spin. That is fine. We have no problem with that.
This latest piece of vitriolic crap from Picazio is stupid. But it is her prerogative. Once more she is inserting herself into a case that she has no place in.
As to her new best buddy (who she put through the wringer) in the Bar Complaint, Art Harris, I am at a loss for words. It was not BNN that announced bones had been found in the river. It was not BNN that wrote about Automatic Weapons.
It was BNN that got an interview with Lisa Croslin. We did NOT pay for it. In fact it was a series of written questions that an intermediary showed her. She replied via email. If you read the article this is all clearly stated.
I have been very restrained in what I say about Picazio and Harris. What I personally think about them is my business. I do not care for either of them. However I have not gone out of my way to cause them trouble. It is not my fault that Art Harris is being sued over his coverage of the death of Anna Nicole Smith.
This is all public record!
As for Picazio, I will just keep my mouth shut.
Sorry for this long rant, but it had to be said.
Simon
I simply stated the fact that LadySaie would not respond to me she said because I disrespect Jan?? this was months ago so i was surprised when i saw her disrespect Jan!
I notice the only way into the area is on 17 so wouldnt all vehicles coming in and out be checked through plates and model?
Cathy was Chelseas address Sunglow? jmo
WhyLie – I am so confused about the dogs. Is the K-9 you are referring to the cadaver dog or a third kind of dog?
TY Simon.
LadySadie said,in June 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am But sometimes CathyJo and Tobias, it is a little hard to ignore when you are accused of being a “paid” blogger and told that since you are a newbie you should leave and that you don’t know what you are talking about just because you have only been on this board for 3 or 4 months.
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She don’t want to be a paid blogger,but she wants j/s to be paid reporters,hmmmmmmm
Now if the ones that can read will do just that before making a comment it just might work.
The K-9 is the police dog that was brought in right after the 911 call was made, actually the first LE on scene went with the K-9 and handler after other LE (superiors) had arrived. The K-9 was the first dog to track.
The K-9 went down the ramp to the woods, into the woods where they saw what appeared to be a childs footprint, on the path in the woods to the pond, back out of the woods to Green Lane, past the MH, around the block, (no reason that Haleigh or MIsty’s scent would be in that block), up Tyler street, passed TC’s, to Buffalo Bluff to the RR tracks.
Tobias,the cams are one thing I sure know notta about!
Action news out of Jackson has a traffic report site and it shows there is a camera on 17. Just wanted to know where the van was that night and if it had to go down 17 to the MH. sO IF ANYONE KNOWS THE ADDRESS cHELSEA LIVED AT i REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. ty
tobias, I think that the cars that took 17 north would have been seen on the video, the same one LE saw Ron on when he was coming home from work. That leaves the person/persons who took Haleigh to have gone south down 17, if they left the area. Unless, of course they left via the river.
So, what is south? Shell Harbor, Lisa and Hank’s MH, JO, Timmy, Chelsea, JS, for starters. I am sure we can add to that list.
tobias, Chelsea lived south of Satsuma, maybe 12 or so miles.
TY, WhyLie. I understand. I didn’t realize that dog got there so fast. Part of my doubts about it, is that the dog was apparently given sheets to take a scent from and considering the kids and M (at least) slept higgledypiggly who knows what scent the dog reall had?
m2c, it was the hounds that were given the sheets/blankets for scent. The bedding that was seen on the ramp. That was hours later, after the K-9 was there and made his/her track around the neighborhood.
TY again, WhyLie. Wonder what the k-9 used for scent? Hopefully something definitely specific to Haleigh.
Annette Sykes lived just up from Shell Harbour. Teresa Neves said she was living in Pomona Park. Pomona Park is before Timmy and Chelseas in Crescent City. Annettes is just past Shell harbour and then you would make a left off 309 to go to her home.
IMO the reason many have to disregard the scent trail is the manner it was deemed nesacary to allow the dogs to get a pure scent. It would make no sense to allow the dogs into the MH. It would make sense to give the dogs an item the victim was last known to have been exposed to. The idea that Haleighs scent was not followed directly was never indicated in the report that was given and IMO it involved more than one officer and version of events that IMO would of collaborated with one another. I have no reason to believe this was a crime committed by LE or mishandled nor do I have reason to believe that every diligent effort was not given in search of HaLeigh. The Blood Hounds used that morning where well trained and did a magnificent job. It was and IMO still is the first truthful and honest clue that is available to us and LE.
I can’t find it Tobias,yet brb
chelsea is tims wife? why wouldn’t she live with him? lol
Chatty the person was being fescious(spelling).
I am sorry Tobias,my minds on vacation or something,wheww
Lana, Leave off all those????? You seemed to of made your point. Why me?
I do look like my nic Looking,Thats why I stuck wiff it,lol
TY jan you clean up Chit well. I need to get a few pointers from a pro.
When I saw all of the ?????? I knew just IGNORE; not playing silly games.
Chatty I love your new nic!!
Right the two roads going south would be 17 and 309. 309 comes off of 17. Shell Harbor and Welaka, and Georgetown would be south down 309, Pomona Park, and Crescent City, would be south down 17.
Looking,Actually I was glad she said it fit,she was honest on that,LoL
Jan you could make some money giving lessons on the controll it takes to be so patient with all of us and M2C could give us some pointers on having a mind of one’s own and filling it with the truth and Vaq can share all her secrets she has for remaining so classy in this 18 month saga and if I have missed anyone else’s true talents that are so appreciated (JAN57 I can not leave you out, the wisdom you share is priceless)let me say it is all worth a rare penny. IMO
LOL!! Chattycathy.
Tm, the hounds were the dogs that tracked to the river. It was the K-9 that tracked around the neighborhood. The K-9 was the first dog on scene. It was said there were 2 other tracking dogs but they were not released. LE instead waited for the hounds to get there. BUT that was hours after the K-9 had tracked to the woods, and eventually up Tyler st to the RR tracks.
I believe the dogs were really used to see if Haleigh had been taken to any certain house in the area. And that was not the case, the dogs didnt go anywhere that Misty or Haleigh hadnt walked recently( during the past couple of weeks). I dont think they picked up anything unusual since Haleigh was more than likely driven out of the area. jmo bbl
I don’t think so either Tobias.
LoL Looking!
Sorry Tobias,I was a day late and a dollar short but Lookings address seems right so I’ll stick with her! and you should too LoL
You would think if Lisa Croslin were truly attacked, a police report would have been produced. Because the ER would have been required to call LE if a victim of an assault arrived there. Also, I would think the shelter would have also had to call if one of their residents was attacked. Yet, KP is out there making allegations about people and appears to be on a campaign to ruin good people and has yet to produce this police report that would back up her story? Now why would that be?
School started this week in Baker County. Hope Junior is enjoying himself! And HaLeigh should be starting 1st grade. Very sad that she is not there with her friends!
WhyLies addy I meant Sheww
Texasmommy39 said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Jan you could make some money giving lessons on the controll it takes to be so patient with all of us and M2C could give us some pointers on having a mind of one’s own and filling it with the truth and Vaq can share all her secrets she has for remaining so classy in this 18 month saga and if I have missed anyone else’s true talents that are so appreciated (JAN57 I can not leave you out, the wisdom you share is priceless)let me say it is all worth a rare penny. IMO
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Bah,I really don’t know how classy I am because if I typed what I was really thinking about things, Jan would give me da boot. That’s why I vent elsewhere, LOL
Tobias,I thought I heard someone say that a dog hit on someones mh around there????? do yall know? Curious but never heard anything else??
J said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
You would think if Lisa Croslin were truly attacked, a police report would have been produced. Because the ER would have been required to call LE if a victim of an assault arrived there. Also, I would think the shelter would have also had to call if one of their residents was attacked. Yet, KP is out there making allegations about people and appears to be on a campaign to ruin good people and has yet to produce this police report that would back up her story? Now why would that be?
School started this week in Baker County. Hope Junior is enjoying himself! And HaLeigh should be starting 1st grade. Very sad that she is not there with her friends!
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And Art with his sources “close to the investigation” could get it
Shoot all it takes is for someone to call PCSO and see if there was a police report taken that night and they will tell you one way or another.
vaquera, I can so relate, LOL.
The camera can only rule out what LE does know not what they do not. For instance if a unknown vehicle was used to commit the crime by a known POI.
vaquera said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Texasmommy39 said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Jan you could make some money giving lessons on the controll it takes to be so patient with all of us and M2C could give us some pointers on having a mind of one’s own and filling it with the truth and Vaq can share all her secrets she has for remaining so classy in this 18 month saga and if I have missed anyone else’s true talents that are so appreciated (JAN57 I can not leave you out, the wisdom you share is priceless)let me say it is all worth a rare penny. IMO
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Bah,I really don’t know how classy I am because if I typed what I was really thinking about things, Jan would give me da boot. That’s why I vent elsewhere, LOL
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LMAO first secret noted. KEEP MOUTH SHOUT AND SIT ON HANDS>
and that would have made front page news I’d think? If she were attacked? lol heck some reporter would have been between them anyway? LoL
vaquera said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
And Art with his sources “close to the investigation” could get it
Shoot all it takes is for someone to call PCSO and see if there was a police report taken that night and they will tell you one way or another.
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LMAO!
EXCLUSIVE! With the watermarked police report!
FTR, I too vent elsewhere. Maybe someday I will bump into you.
I always thought it’s better not to say anything if ya can’t say sommin good,but sometimes the rule don’t apply,what happens if ya can’t find nuttin good,I never took a vow of silence,LoL
LOL! Chatty, you are so right.
It is sad to say you are right CC.
I know we all are in some what of agreement that odd can describe the recent behaviors of all in this case. It is subject to further understanding , but, as we have seen over the last 18 months all things will take time in coming to light.
AH had a blogger in Texas send someone’s garbage to him. That person stole a woman’s garbage, went through it, took pics and then mailed it through FedEx to him and they posted many times and tried to smear that person and say she was a drunk and having an affair with a married person.
The emails are quite funny. He asks the blogger, where have you been all my life and calls her something like his sin sniffing dumpster diva.
That’s just ONE thing that was done.
I’m surprised the subject is still being discussed. I figured the message was clear when jan spoke yesterday after the subject was ‘towed’ over here to start with.
LoL Looking,sheesh I’d explode,rofl
TexMom,I know,it is so sad!
The time its already taken musta been by boulders in an hourglass! Messs!
TexMom,I know what ya mean though,it sure will!
I just wish they’d help HaLeigh and tell the truth,though it won’t happpen??
tobias said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
I also wonder what a certain journalist is going to report on this Thursday? What new info was he going to report? It was supposed to be on Tuesday but got moved to Thursday.hmmm.jmo
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Well whatever he’s going to tell will be from one of his Hollars/Croslin sources.
Well,time to roll,I got one truckload of bs to dump,I’ll be back for the next one..ROFL
The time that has been wasted is a crime IMO. Someone obviously could of made a better decision in allowing this to happen and continue if several where involved. Not just one or a couple or even a few, but, several have wasted our time .
Because we’ve been discussing this I found the original police statement narrative from that night. The first one by officers on the scene. I will put the addy in the next comment so if it takes a while to show up please come back to get it.
It has some interesting things to remember.
Original police report narrative from night of Feb 10, 2009.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609
I TYIA M2C. It must be tied up somewhere?
Again TY M2C. Great information and good to remember.
Any one want to take a stab at the reason John Merchant has been named as corrupt by Marie?
This is the link to the incident report of Haleigh being missing. It is pdf format from CNN, if anybody is interested in reading it. It will download to your computer, just to let you know, but then you can keep it and have it handy when you want it.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
TM39 – Because he’s not in her pocket like another one (or two) may have been?
I don’t know. I thought JM had been on scene pretty fast and may have known R from before. Not sure about that. Maybe MG thinks JM will favor R or even treat him decently. I think she wants R buried but good.
I think R already is. Even with those two charges dropped he’s facing a LOT of time. So I don’t really know what MG’s problem is now.
Texasmommy39 said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Any one want to take a stab at the reason John Merchant has been named as corrupt by Marie?
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Maybe because Ron likes him and Teresa called him by his first name when she said she had a meeting with him.
Maybe because JM actually wants Haleigh FOUND.
MY intuition is telling me she is up to no good and this investigation is going to be very interesting from here on out. I actually would not be surprised if the truth is soon to be revealed.
Haleigh’s dad pleads guilty to drug charges
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100821/ARTICLES/8211009/1002?p=2&tc=pg
By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer
Published: Saturday, August 21, 2010 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, August 20, 2010 at 11:02 p.m.
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PALATKA – Ronald L. Cummings, the father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings, pleaded guilty Friday morning on three counts of trafficking in hydrocodone.One of the crimes carries a mandatory minimum sentence of three years in prison. The other two offenses – more serious because they involve larger amounts of the prescription drug – carry mandatory minimum sentences of 15 years.
Cummings, 26, was initially charged with five counts, and the remaining two were dropped as part of a plea agreement.
Circuit Judge Terry LaRue set a sentencing date of Sept. 24.
Cummings has been in jail since his arrest along with several co-defendants in January after an undercover investigation.
His attorney, Terry Shoemaker, said he hopes the total sentence will be 15 years, with the three sentences being served concurrently.
Shoemaker said part of the agreement is that Cummings will provide testimony about his drug co-defendants if needed. But Shoemaker said he doubts that will be necessary because they are not contesting the charges.
“I don’t think there is anything else he can give (prosecutors). He has answered all of their questions,” Shoemaker said.
Also arrested in the operation were Cummings’ former wife, Misty Croslin, who was in the home when Haleigh disappeared; her brother, Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr.; Cummings’ cousin, Hope Sykes; and a friend of Misty Croslin, Donna Brock.
Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, was in the courtroom Friday for Cummings’ hearing. Also in the courtroom were several relatives of Cummings and the Croslins’ mother, Lisa Croslin.Misty and Tommy Croslin are key figures in the Haleigh case and have implicated a cousin in her disappearance.
Outside the courthouse after the hearing, an emotional Sheffield began yelling from a distance at Lisa Croslin. Relatives of Sheffield had to physically keep her from going over to Lisa Croslin.
Members of Cummings’ family declined to comment after the hearing.
Lisa Croslin and her husband, Hank Croslin Sr., were recently arrested by Palatka police on charges of purchasing cocaine. She said Friday that the charges against her were dropped, while her husband remains in jail.
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Interesting comment made by Terry Shoemaker.
Shoemaker said part of the agreement is that Cummings will provide testimony about his drug co-defendants if needed. But Shoemaker said he doubts that will be necessary because they are not contesting the charges.
“I don’t think there is anything else he can give (prosecutors). He has answered all of their questions,” Shoemaker said.
Remember all the phone calls 20-90-98-
well i went an listen to some videos,this mornng before daylight.
one cauht my attention.
Video interview, MG,an CS asked about the command post,an why they were moving.So soon.MG stated SH spoke to her,an told her they were moving because of the reception
.Netell phones,an the puters having trouble,Call being hard recieve/go out,an puter being slow,or hard for them to get the imfo in quick enough.
Now My sis use to live in the country.an there was only certian spots in her home where calls could be made from on her cell.Sometimes she had to go out side to recieve connection.
This could actualy be some of the problem with the calls going in,or out.Reason for rpeated calls that night.
Ronald Cummings pleads guilty in drug trafficking case
He agreed to testify in other cases if asked
Posted: August 20, 2010 – 12:25pm
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-08-20/story/ronald-cummings-pleads-guilty-drug-trafficking-case
By Dana Treen
Ronald Cummings, whose daughter has been missing for more than 18 months, pleaded guilty this morning to three drug trafficking charges and agreed to testify for the state in future cases involving the drug cases or the missing girl.
Photo Gallery: View images from court
Cummings, 26, will be sentenced Sept. 24 and is expected to get 15 years in prison.
Following the hearing, Cummings’ attorney said his client is having a hard time believing accusations this week that his daughter, Haleigh, was abducted and killed by a man visiting from Tennessee.
Misty Croslin, Cummings’ former girlfriend and wife, and her brother Hank “Tommy Croslin Jr. have told authorities their cousin Joe Overstreet was responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance in February 2009.
The Croslins said Overstreet was at the mobile home with them the night she disappeared and that he put her in a bag and dumped her in the St. Johns River after a machine gun he wanted was not at Cummings’ Satsuma mobile home.
“Ronald has a hard time understanding why a person who wanted to steal a gun would steal a child instead,” attorney Terry Shoemaker said of the accusations made public this week by the Croslins’ attorneys.
Shoemaker said Cummings will testify at any upcoming trials and will continue to cooperate with the investigation of Haleigh’s case. The Croslins were arrested in the trafficking case with Cummings.
Cummings’ most valuable testimony may be in the form of a timeline concerning the days and weeks leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance, Shoemaker said. Law enforcement officials have said Cummings is not a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance.
She has not been found.
Cummings’ plea today was in three of five prescription drug trafficking cases he was arrested for in January at the end of a monthlong investigation. In exchange for the plea, the state will drop two charges.
The Croslins and two others were arrested in the same drug sting. Misty Croslin has pleaded no contest to eight charges and Croslin Jr. has been sentenced to 15 years in prison on one charge.
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Most interesting part again is Terry Shoemakers statement.
“Cummings’ most valuable testimony may be in the form of a timeline concerning the days and weeks leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance, Shoemaker said. Law enforcement officials have said Cummings is not a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance.”
Croslins’ stories add to clue count in Haleigh’s case
http://www.bradenton.com/2010/08/22/2520895/croslins-stories-add-to-clue-count.html
By DANA TREEN – The Florida Times-Union
ALATKA —
Investigators may be inching closer to discovering what happened to missing Haleigh Cummings because of her father’s cooperation in the investigation and bits of information that have surfaced in recent months, his attorney said Friday.
Ronald Cummings’ help and sensitivity to the fact he is Haleigh’s father may have been factors in an agreement that will likely get him a 15-year prison sentence on three charges of trafficking in hydrocodone, said Terry Shoemaker, his attorney.
Cummings was charged in five cases but two were dropped. He pleaded guilty Friday in Palatka and will be sentenced Sept. 24.
His mother, grandmother and other family members sat in the courtroom but did not want to comment afterward. Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, who has long been estranged from Cummings, said later his prison sentence would hurt their son.
Shoemaker said Cummings has answered any questions detectives asked him about the drug deals or events leading up to when Haleigh vanished.
“I think he gave some things that linked up their theories,” Shoemaker said after the hearing. Of five people arrested in January in the undercover drug operation, Cummings so far is the only one to have a deal.
“I would say some of that is based on our conversations and some of that is based on the situation,” he said. “I represented the father of a missing girl.”
Shoemaker called Cummings “collateral damage” and not the target in the trafficking case that also ended with the arrests of Cummings’ ex-wife, Misty Croslin, 18, and her brother Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr., 24, who was sentenced to 15 years after selling prescription drugs to an undercover officer. In all, five people were arrested.
Their mother, Lisa Croslin, was in court to hear Cummings’ plea. She was released from jail this week after a charge of buying crack cocaine in Palatka was dropped.
In Feb. 10, 2009, Misty Croslin reported Haleigh missing from the Satsuma mobile home. Her brother was there when the 5-year-old vanished, his attorney, James Werter, said Thursday.
Attorneys for the siblings released details this week about what their clients have been telling investigators since their January arrests in the trafficking case. The Croslins told detectives a cousin from Tennessee came to the mobile home and took the kindergartner.
Croslin Jr. said Haleigh was thrown into the St. Johns River north of Welaka that night, Werter said.
Authorities are not commenting on where the case stands.
“These attorneys are trying to force our hand,” said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. “Since day one we have really kept it close to the vest.”
Spokesman Chris Kelly of the State Attorney’s Office said prosecutors do not talk about plea decisions in open cases. Shoemaker said he has not spoken to investigators for a couple of weeks but believes they are nearer to determining what happened.
He would not describe what Cummings told investigators.
The Croslins told authorities their cousin Joe Overstreet was responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance. Overstreet has been interviewed at least twice by detectives since the disappearance but has not been charged or named a suspect.
They said Overstreet was at the mobile home with them the night Haleigh disappeared and that he put her in a bag and dumped her in the St. Johns River after a machine gun he wanted was not at Cummings’ Satsuma mobile home.
Shoemaker said Cummings is skeptical of parts of that account.
“Ronald has a hard time understanding why a person who wanted to steal a gun would steal a child instead,” he said Friday
In the pleading, Cummings agreed to cooperate with any future trials or investigations.
A pre-sentence investigation will be conducted but Shoemaker said part of the reason sentencing is in late September is “in case something comes up they want to know.”
“If there ever was a trial in Haleigh’s disappearance, yes, they could ask him to come back and testify,” he said.
Cummings’ most valuable testimony may be in the form of a timeline concerning the days and weeks leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance. Law enforcement officials have said Cummings is not a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance.
She has not been found.
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More interesting comments made by Terry Shoemaker IMO a little more meat with those potatoes. I say that this is the first time I have not seen Crystals name synonymuos with Ron’s in mentioning who is not a suspect.
I think he gave some things that linked up their theories,” Shoemaker said after the hearing. Of five people arrested in January in the undercover drug operation, Cummings so far is the only one to have a deal.
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Snipped by me from above article.
Who’s theories do you think where linked up?
IMO the Cummings still believe HaLeigh is still alive.
I was thinking that maybe there will be a grand jury seated the end of august, early september, and Ron’s sentencing would take place after that grand jury, in case they hand down an indictment. Totally guessing on that, no proof one way or the other, but I have a feeling an indictment will be coming.
That is exactly what I am thinking Whylie.
Maybe that is why we are hearing about and witnessing the worms squirm.
The worms are coming out of the woodwork again, or flying back in from outer space, as the case may be.
Marie alleging that their is improper activity occurring between attorney(s) and law enforcement behind the scenes is rich. Even though LOL I totally agree something stinks, I have a feeling it was just some good ol’ boy stink bait to lure out LE’s prey. IMO it seems to be working. LMAO
Pure brilliant of SH to call the “several’s” bluff and call this a Homicide, therefore removing Peggy Cone from the investigation and leaving Marie in the dark and the need for the once hired vultures to swoop in.
Who else would have need of minions such as these to get something from Lisa or want to destroy her? Heck Marie’s not even satisfied with Ron being locked up a facing at least 15 years for drug charges.
I can just imagine Marie telling Crystal that she would be the one to take care of Lisa or at least see to it that she (Lisa) is able (enabled) to do it to her self. JMO
Iirc, misty said that people should be looking at the other side of the family in an interview. I could be wrong.
I wonder if that was a lie to shake focus off her or did she think that? If so, how does her latest tale with tommy fit in?
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U bring it in, u haul it out…I always say.
hey Tex, what makes you think marie hates ron so much? Just wonderin..?
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24665170/index.html
Who do you think Crystal was referring to?
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24658375/detail.html
This article was wrote the same day and CS is very clear she believe HaLeigh is still alive.
mrsm to long of a list to speculate on. IMO their where many in Crystals family that did not like Ronald. As well as family of Ron’s that did not like Crystal.
what would a grand indictment mean? does it have to target one person? how does that work?
anybody who comes in contact with mg is corrupt if they don’t have jingling pockets? jmo,lol
Texasmommy,lol MG i believe didnt just start the up to no good.Its plain to see shes been the controling one,in her daughters life.I have saw to many videos where she was stepping in correcting CS.o=One where MG stepped in taking over whan the question was for CS, when she didnt want her to.
Stating CS an Ron didnt get along.PO CS an she come right back an stated me,an Ron get along fine-ofcourse that was just before the month later all out attack on him-With MG Rocking back an forth on her heals steady agreeing,bobbin that head.An the custody fight was on in full force
.It was lets put it to Ron day,with the whole gang behind her for support.Shear ugliness only a month intto the search for HaLiegh.How awful!!! If true these were things to tell investigators-not the world only a mont into your child dissapearence.When it was suppose to be about HaLiegh-not the fact CS wanted some of the coke Ron was doing,an he wouldnt let her have it cause she said she was PG. That the reason for any fight im sure.Ive seen to many couple users,if one HAD to quit,an the other still wanted some— it was ON LOL.
I viewed one couple something simler happened,an the woman got po because she couldnt use an wanted to,she come out swinging a blow dryer,an almost knock one of the mans teeth out,busted his lip all up. She wanted some bad.
MG Reminds me of CA an her controling ways.maybe not as bad,but shes dominate.
She hates Ron,the hates dripping from her.An it didnt just start.
But its elivated sence he was in court,about the plea deal made..
She want him damn to hell i believe.
I think its more than just the children.I think Ron also is one to be in control.An this stems back to when CS,an Ron had the children,living together.An he would let her control their lives.
I think she an her minums have always been the ones to call in to DCF. MC HAS PUSHED cs buttone,even if she didnt do anything.Its the fact i think she knows Ron did care about MC an she was playing mommy to CS children.Im sure it ate her up..An i belive CS is still in love with the bad boy..
She cant blame Ron for her letting her child run off with a child his self at the time.She allowed it to happen,an from it
They had two beautiful children who got caught in the cross fire of hate.Now they are minus one.An it still goes on.
.Haliegh sunshine,an JR little boy Charm. Could even make them want to stop the fighting before she went missing-after the viciousness of it all has been where the world has seen it.My lord couldnt these people control their selves.Maily for all the children sake-disfunction at it worst!!
I dont know if its all been about the children.Or just whos going to be the winner.Who can prove the other looks worse.
An she blames him for it all.I read what she wrote on her myspace once.Urging MC to tell on Ron,that she understood.
But if a man knows how a young woman is with his children.An sees she cares,an takes care of them,.He feels safe enough to think nothing will happen to them.He knew she partied.Heck seems like it was going on in all three families it was the norm to them..
I doupt he would have ever went to work that night if he had any insite his child would be taken/or harmed.I belive HaLiegh was daddys heart..an who ever IF done intentional–did this to Hurt Ron
I think they had their donation scheme up before anybody and HaLeigh went missing from Ron’s? sheesh just my humble opinion.
At this time Sgt. Greg Lavoy, Lt. Teresa Odom, and Palatka Police Department Canine Officer Chris Sorrenson arrived at the scene.
Lt. Odom contacted the chain of command at the Putnam County Sheriff’s, and initiated the missing persons unit.
Myself and Officer Sorenson initiated a track beginning at the backside door of the residence.
*********************D/S Bridges and I arrived on scene at the same time, 3:40.
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Interetsing we have so many officers at the MH that morning and only one official report that has been made public.
what other motive is there OTHER than to hurt Ron? that doesnt make him innocent imo
mrsm said,in August 25th, 2010 at 6:29 pm what would a grand indictment mean? does it have to target one person? how does that work?
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Hm Opposite of a non grandeI am teasing ya,how are you???? Haven’t seen you in awhile!
I dunno about the legal stuff,lol
hello cathy, me either
clueless where the legal stuff is concerned 
Tobias,I know today you were asking about cam info and i have only one link,its none imparticular tho but maybe you’ll run across a street name or something when you check it out?
Its just streaming traffic cams in Fl!
May be of no use at all but Here it is,wish I could have found what ya needed!
http://www.fl511.com/Cameras.aspx
an indictment (pronounced /ɪnˈdaɪtmənt/ in-DITE-mənt) is a formal accusation that a person has committed a crime. In those jurisdictions which retain the concept of a felony, the serious criminal offence would be a felony; those jurisdictions which have abolished the concept of a felony often substitute the concept of an indictable offence, i.e. an offence which requires an indictment.
Traditionally an indictment was handed up by a grand jury, which returned a “true bill” if it found cause to make the charge, or “no bill” if it did not find cause
Then I’m not alone Mrsm! LoL
It means that investigators have built a case and are presenting their facts to charge someone with a crime.
i’ve been busy with school stuff but i scan regularly
one observation from awhile back i never posted…all these supposed rants from KP are suspicious to me though ppl here swear they are real…she “KP” always makes typo/grammatical errors that i would think an educated lawyer wouldn’t make, such as from the most recent rant her incorrect use of the word “pallet”. She meant palet. (mouth) not “pallet” (pad or frame)This is small but not the first or last. Makes me wonder…?
another predator in Jax!
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24761558/detail.html
SO I should have said? sorry
Hardy’s boy got out didn’t he??
right Mrsm,I was here one night when she came in but I thought,nahhhh no way!
I dunno…but how an attorney has time is beyond me,unless she has no clients,LoL Which btw if she don’t she won’t have any that way either!
A grand Jury is seated to determine if there is enough evidence to charge anyone and bring them to trial. I’ve sat on two grand juries here in SA, and both lead to arrests and trials for the charges brought.
mrsm said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
what other motive is there OTHER than to hurt Ron? that doesnt make him innocent imo
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What would? A alibi? Witnesses that can place him some where? Traffic cameras that can tell the exact time he passed? How about store surveillance cameras that can account for his time line and don’t forget those cell pings of nearby towers.
My question is what makes Crystal innocent?
Is it only because she answered the phone that morning to TN at 3:40 am?
Marie hates them… yet, she was woman enough to apologize to them… but I guess she faked that too!
I go by le saying her and ron are innocent. I don’t think le is ‘letting them think they are in the clear’ theory is true.
Jmo
I find it hilarious that some of the same people here, who knock Art Harris, go over to his site all kiss a$$ towards him..Some change their nics to not look suspicious, but they way they write is obvious..You can’t have it both ways..That’s the epitome of hypocrisy. IMO For the past six months I have tried at various times to enjoy this blog, but it’s impossible, so I leave without commenting…The continuous bickering among bloggers, and rumor mills is too much. It’s obvious that there are more than a few are here solely for the purpose of causing friction. Jan has tried to control it. It works for a few days, then it’s back to the same..I will not be back, but I do wish Jan and Simon success in any and all endeavors they chose to partake…
Is it because she could not get a hold of Marie till 5am and she lives directly behind her mother, or is it because she chose to wait till after 5 am to call her dad to go over a check it out? OH I know the hours and hours it took for her to get to Satsuma. We have nothing but this to make our decision upon and WTH was Chad doing out till 5 am that Tuesday morning celebrating and on Myspace playing games Tuesday night?
HMMM I wonder who all you are suggesting Marta. I would not doubt I could guess a few.
Peter Hyatt has a new article out if anyone is interested?
Name names.
She wasn’t gonna comment,hmmm
Wonder if she knows she did?
Nameing a suspect is big to me. If they name someone, like tommy, I’m looking at him hard. Jmo
TexMom,It still amazes me that she gave Chad an alibi but wasn’t looked at even then?
Oops on first post…
Marta said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
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true
I do agree too Adams,people do use other nix and post there!
I don’t get it?
I am sorry, but I do not think Crystal is involved in Haleighs disappearance at all.
You can see her pain in the last few interviews. Crystal wants Haleigh found and brought home! Crystals statement ” It doesn’t matter that they all are in prison” Someone needs to talk and tell where Haleigh is ,so my baby can come home”. jmo
The answers lye in satsuma is my belief. I cannot see anyone putting themselves at the scene of a murder of a beautiful defenseless 5 year old girl if there was no cause for it. It makes no sense at all.jmo
Right,and even if mg or js did,I really don’t think they’d have even let CS know?? for some strange reason,I really don’t?
LFJ it is good CS has the few that do believe her innocent.
I have nothing against AH personally. He may sensationalize a bit, but what if it turns out there were 98 phone calls that night made by Rons phone with in a 2 hour period. I do not think it is safe to rule anything out yet. I will wait to see if there is some substance behind it first. KP said that the amount of calls were not released. She is incorrect. We know that TJ Hart reported right here at BNN there were 20plus calls. She might want to go back and check her notes.jmo
I have never really suspected cs anyway…..which is weird??
But I have suspected the rest of em?
No different then people from other forums/blogs/sites posting there, changing their nics, and posting here. I have no problem with that as long as they aren’t blog hopping just to cause problems.
I personally can’t stand AH. IMO he was one of the causes of the focus being taken off of Haleigh to begin with. He is one of the reasons that all the lies and BS and sensationalism took over the case of a missing child.
But I believe in the end karma will get him (and several others) for what he/they participated in when an innocent child was missing. If not in this lifetime, then in the hereafter.
It is possible she has been kept in the dark, but, knows the truth or at least suspects one of her own at this point if she is still holding out hope that HaLeigh is still alive. She could end this with just coming forward and telling someone what she suspects and who.
Chatty more than that! Tommy nor Misty are going to spend 15 plus years in prison when they can give the info on where an alive Haleigh is located.jmo
TJ was in contact with Teresa, and it was Teresa that would have had to get the phone records, so I will go with what TJ says as far as the number of calls made, versus what AH’s “source close to the investigation” says.
looking for Justice said,in August 25th, 2010 at 7:38 pm I have nothing against AH personally. He may sensationalize a bit, but what if it turns out there were 98 phone calls that night made by Rons phone with in a 2 hour period. I do not think it is safe to rule anything out yet. I will wait to see if there is some substance behind it first. KP said that the amount of calls were not released. She is incorrect. We know that TJ Hart reported right here at BNN there were 20plus calls. She might want to go back and check her notes.jmo
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Right Looking,with what we have to go on we have to listen to it to scrap pieces most likely to be true from all the players?
Any single one of us or media could be right??
I think she suspects drug people have Haleigh.
Well said WhyLie. I have found no need or reason to wander since finding BNN.
Could-an WouldIn my comment in several places-i fogot the nt on the end of could-would-like when Ron would(-nt)Let MG control their lives–Could (nt) make them stop fighting-looks like im back to being typo queen-i need to move for more light on my puter keys
WhyLie said,in August 25th, 2010 at 7:39 pm No different then people from other forums/blogs/sites posting there, changing their nics, and posting here. I have no problem with that as long as they aren’t blog hopping just to cause problems.
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Right,but the ones we suspect usually are,LoL
I just don’t prefer to though I started with cj63 and you can bet though anywhwere I go since i changed over… I will be CC??
looking for Justice said,in August 25th, 2010 at 7:41 pm Chatty more than that! Tommy nor Misty are going to spend 15 plus years in prison when they can give the info on where an alive Haleigh is located.jmo
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Thats a stunner Looking,I just don’t see how they’ve fooled everyone???
Texasmommy, it is not wandering. I like to read all I can on this case. I love BNN and will go to the hilt to defend it. I like to hear those who work these cases day in and day out give their perspectives. It gives me an insight on other perspectives to focus on.jmo
Looking,It even makes me wonder now about the drug people??
Looking- I agree with you about Crystal not being involved and that the answer lies in Satsuma. But i disagree that because some one puts puts themselves at a scene of a murder, that they are involved. I have no idea why people do that but there are many people who falsely confess. That nut John Mark Karr who put himself at the Jon Benet scene. I think Tommy, Misty & Ron all know far more then they have told and the problem now, I think, especially with Misty, is they may believe their own lies!
If they get paid for every time someone clicks on the page…think I’ll just sit here and log on and off all night.
Thats what I do Looking!
I listen to every single reporter??
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
I am sorry, but I do not think Crystal is involved in Haleighs disappearance at all.
You can see her pain in the last few interviews. Crystal wants Haleigh found and brought home! Crystals statement ” It doesn’t matter that they all are in prison” Someone needs to talk and tell where Haleigh is ,so my baby can come home”. jmo
The answers lye in satsuma is my belief. I cannot see anyone putting themselves at the scene of a murder of a beautiful defenseless 5 year old girl if there was no cause for it. It makes no sense at all.jmo
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But can you agree with the fact she participated and benifitted from solicited
donations since day one? How about lying about court proceedings to gain the public’s sympathy? Hiring an Attorney to further victimize a father with unfounded allegations and proven lies to again gain sympathy for her cause of gaining custody of Jr? I find it hard for this to be the facts and she can claim she has or had no knowledge or suspicions of who was guilty of taking HaLeigh and keeping her alive.
Chatty that is the thing they haven’t. They are trying to give a story NOW that does not implicate them. Do you go to jail for drug trafficking versus murder of a 5 year old little girl. jmo
Hi CC!
TM39- Ron a victim! ROFLMAO
Hey Alex,I didn’t see ya there,lol
I assume you have never lost a child?
The fact is Texasmommy, she did not win custody of Jr. It was Rons drug dealings that gave Crystal temp. custody of Jr. There are many citizens there in Satsuma that were filling the ears of CS and I am sure KP on the life-style of Ron and Misty. Perhaps that is why they started the custody hearing. Perhaps Crystal did feel it was Mistys fault Haleigh disappeared and that since Ron was marrying her it would put Jr. in the same dangers that caused Haleigh to disappear. I can only speculate.jmo
a fake search,a fake alibi?? hmmmm
TM39- if you’re talking to me, yes I have.
LFJ, You would go for the drugs, of course! I’m curious as to why the Croslin Sibs would be “implicating” themselves (they were there)/Joe, if Crystal’s side has HaLeigh?
As far as soliciting donations that has been alleged on both sides .jmo
Bac you are absolutely correct! I would love nothing more than for Haleigh to be alive and well, but I no longer feel that is a possibility.
We don’t know if allegations were founded or unfounded on the dcs issues,let alone anything else TexMom!
MG said herself The kids were being hit but that was ALL,LOL All?? My Lord?? so what did she base those pix on? They thought HaLeigh had been hit right?
lfj, funny you should mention that. It is my understanding it was against DCF’s advisement and after CS pissed dirty. No one called foul on that, but should of. JMO
I also believe Misty provided SKB with a statement that was in favor of CS and the placement of Jr. in her custody.
DCF never found cause to remove Jr. period even after HaLeigh was abducted and Misty was LE key since the beginning. I find that very telling when this is such a high profile case in a state that has seen its share of children taken or harmed and later found dead in the last 2 years.
If there was a fake abduction is it possible to stage a fake search to say you found certain peices of evidence to make someone squirm. Justa thought
bac- in misty’s case there is just two options, she was there when Haleigh disappeared or she left the children alone while she went out and Haleigh was gone when she returned. I don’t know which is true or if the it is the latter, why Misty would fear saying she was not there.
ChattyCathy said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
We don’t know if allegations were founded or unfounded on the dcs issues,let alone anything else TexMom!
MG said herself The kids were being hit but that was ALL,LOL All?? My Lord?? so what did she base those pix on? They thought HaLeigh had been hit right?
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The ! is not needed cc. MG is a lier and so is CS. They made money off this child’s abduction IMO it took a good story to gain the sympathy of the masses and to keep the focus off of finding Haleigh.
I don’t think they have her period.
But anythings possible with these people??
I try to be fair and respect each person who believes they do though?? same as my opinion,lol It’s why I help people who don’t agree with my opinion! just sayin’
I think Ron and TN holds more truth than anybody?
I do not know what it was that CS may of took to fail a drug test. I believe it was reported that is when her 3 hour a day rehab began.
it was stated that Misty had e-mailed Crystal. In that e-mail it is alleged that Misty was angry at Ron and Misty confided in Crystal that Ron was shooting his Grandmothers( AS) morphine between his toes. It was presented at the hearing.
Alexandria Loring said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
TM39- if you’re talking to me, yes I have.
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So have I, she was only 10 and it is a story I have shared in the past. The point is Ron is innocent of HaLeighs abduction. To loose a child by a cold hearted predator or an evil person seeking revenge qualifies as a victim in my book.
Yes TexMom they did,That I agree with??
and I always use weird exclamations..lol
Texasmommy, Peter Hyatt reported that there was an signed agreement by DCF and Ronald Cummings that he would only spank his children on the butt. He said they use these agreements so that when /if there is another circumstance then he could not say he was not aware.
TM39- I lost a baby to cancer. As to Ron I don’t believe he is innocent in this, imo he is a predator!
I never understood why they had their hand out when it was no hardship to them,being that cs did not raise HaLeigh??
but someone pays her back cs? and if ron owed cs……everyone would have sworn he did it for that alone and wouldn’t give a crap about him?? jmo
It’s crazy!!
It is sometimes confusing in understanding if you are using ? and ! in your posts to mean something else. I just guessed you never know what you mean.
no,It is when I am saying…I think you already know???
I know it’s weird but ya just gotta know me and I assumed everybody did? LoL
Hm wow,lol
Hm wow,lol
Again, I don’t understand.. I have stated here before, I do read AH and yes I use the same nic or user name when I post on AH, as I do on this site. This isn’t high school, and I would hope, we as adults, want to learn and know many different opinions, or views relative to the case of precious HaLeigh. I don’t consider myself an intellectual genius that can tell who embellishes what and whom tells flat out lies, therefore, I read as many different sites, news, etc. to continue educating myself in this extremely frustrating case. That does not make one a traitor, to continue to look at all aspects and other opinions of this tragic story. I am really sorry, but for me, the past few threads have taken on an attitude I always thought I would never see on BNN. I’ve always found most bloggers here to “take the high” road.. and yes I know all in life is an option. The attacks and innuendos are not what I choose to read, when I want to blog about the subject the Editor aka Simon has posted. Take good care, and God bless baby HaLeigh.
I agree CS should have paid her support. I am sure Ron would have been given grief if were the other way around. Whereas CS was not the primary caregiver, she still had shared parental rights of the children she still had a hand in caring for them.
I am sure they both love their children. They made poor decisions. They both are guilty of that. I feel Ron has knowledge of what happened to Haleigh and it could be linked to him indirectly. I do not see Misty harming Haleigh herself,but she will be an accomplis after the fact. She was a minor at the time of the so it may way in her favor.
Wow!!!!!!!!
Alexandria Loring said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
TM39- I lost a baby to cancer. As to Ron I don’t believe he is innocent in this, imo he is a predator!
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Of what a 17 year old that was raised by the Croslin parents? A child that had no education or opportunity and stable home? IMO it was the best thing to have happened to this young women. They where in love and the kids loved her. The truth sometimes is not black and white but shades of grey, right and wrong sometimes walk hand in hand..
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
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I too agree!!
I don’t doubt for a 2nd they love/loved their kids,Even if ron is guilty in the end i still say he loved her but something went wrong??
Misty was only 16. The Croslin parents were not Ward and June Clever, but they love their daughter. Just like Ron and Crystal love Haleigh and Jr. Ronald gave Misty drugs,alcohol and cigs. She got that when she lived at home, no different lifestyle. Hank Sr. said that Ronald lied to him about his age when he started seeing Misty. He did not find out until later how much older than Misty,Ron was.
We don’t know he’s innocent???
TM39- I think of Ron as a predator in general not just in relation to Misty!
The best thing that happened to Misty, that is hilarious! They are at least sharing the fruit of their wonderful relationship now at the taxpayers expense.
I’d bet Looking…that Hank and Lisa regrets everyday of it now? But they were on drugs,just like Ron so they didn’t make good decisions and the drug ruled their lives…jmo
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
LFJ, You would go for the drugs, of course! I’m curious as to why the Croslin Sibs would be “implicating” themselves (they were there)/Joe, if Crystal’s side has HaLeigh?
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IMO there could be a number of reasons, but, until, this investigation gets to that GJ and then to trial we wont know what is really been going on in this close to the vest investigation and at this point I wouldn’t rule out that Ron has no involvement what so ever. IMO LE is saying he is innocent.
Tex, if you do not mind me asking what good reason would someone place themselves at the murder of a 5 year old little girl and be lying about it? They have just set themselves up in the worst way.
I don’t think LE said anyone was innocent, they may have said not a suspect, even “not guilty” doesn’t mean “innocent”!
IMO Ron is Alex!
ITA!I also think he is a timebomb waiting for the perfect opportunity to snap if he hasn’t yet??
he was the adult in the situation?
oh forgot,but imvho he married Misty so she wouldn’t bring charges against him and I believe TN and AS raved about her because of that??
CC- ita
ITA! Alex. They said cs and RC are not suspects, but everyone else is. That is a very wide spectrum.
I still cannot understand why TN said that if this turns out to be true then Misty should be taken out and given an ole fashioned hanging in the middle of town square. Where I believe She should be punished! why not hang Joe and Tommy while you are at it? Why just direct that to Misty?jmo
To get a deal and lessen their charges.
Out of fear and the offer of MONEY-seems that reward $ is being jockeyed for since that Shell Harbor story has hit the public’s attention.
iirc, on NG it was brought up about the statutory rape charge and it was stated that even though Ron married Misty if LE chose to they could still bring those charges against him.
Looking,thats easy…..Misty knows something on them.jmo
Tex I agree to try and cut a deal. Immunity will only apply if you cannot be implicated in the crime. They have placed themselves there at the crime and sat on it for well over a year.
I hadn’t heard that was the reason Looking,I assumed that was in the case of what happened to HaLeigh?
I agree Chatty, Misty does know the truth.It will not be too pretty if she decides to sing.jmo
then again Looking,we don’t know they knew that,LoL Ya know?
No that was applying to statutory rape. The marriage in no way could prevent them from testifying against one another due to the fact the crime was committed against a child. Really them getting married did not get them out of anything when you think about it.
They may not have known Chatty. NG did let Ron know on her show after they got married that it would not prevent them from testifying against one another. It was in April or May when the statutory rape matter was brought up.
Right Looking,now I know something new! LoL
My theory is that the reason Misty didn’t want to babysit was not just because she was tired or wanted to go out. I think she was afraid to be alone trying to protect two little ones. imo, Ron did something to someone and they were looking to get even. I think this is also the reason that no one else wanted to babysit, including TN. So to me Ron is involved whether he was there or not!
Rons statement on NG that the cousin was not there. Makes me wonder. He said it like he knew for sure and he was aggitated! Just because someone may tell you they were not there, you cannot state it as fact if you were not there to know for sure.jmo
Then you have him on NG stating yes, I like young girls and smirking. ugh!
Well Alex,I do wonder about a lot of theories and one of them is that Misty’s story talks about a gun under the pillow but it was gone and she did not know that? If she lived there why would she not know it? but my point is I have a theory that Ron removed it so he wouldn’t get shot that night?? just thinking out loud!
CC- yes, but really who sleeps with a gun under their pillow when you have a little child next to you?
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
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Have you seen this uncut version… some good Twittpeeps been discussing it!
http: //www. news4jax.com/video/ 18752177/index.html
My adopted Mom? LoL
No Way!!!!
Alex, I am sorry I some how missed your 7:51pm post. I was not ignoring you. I see what you are saying about false confessions, but TC and MC have not confessed to committing murder just witnessing and being threatened. They are trying to pin this on Joe Overstreet. jmo
Alex,I know what you’re saying though,in this century it ain’t wise but my amom did but it was yrs ago??
Wow that’s scary, a gun within reach of a child!
But too Alex,she was blind and born in 1913…LoL
WOW! Chatty. A gun under the pllow. I would be afraid it would go off while I was sleeping.
Or maybe Ron married Misty to keep her from leaving. The family coddled her in case she did have info. My gosh we all heard, Misty is the key, over and over, Misty is holding back, over and over. You don’t think the family heard even more of that from LE? What would any of us do? Buy her a flipping bus ticket out of town, or make her feel loved, and safe, and secure, in the hopes if she did know something she would let it out.
I know exactly what I would do, and I think most here would do the same.
I remember when the pillowed-gun came out, no one thought it was of any importance… I mentioned it here several times!
Looking , John Karr was admitting to murder either just being there. It’s just strange!
right,but she lived through the depression and when the millinium came in she bought every battery,jug of water and canned food and gas grill,Flashlights……you name it? I swear if she’d lived to see 911 she would have lost it completely,talk about panic? LoL
oops.. meant wasn’t admitting
Looking,I never ever even thought about it,allz i knew was if you wanted to find out if there was life after death? all you had to do was touch that gun to find out?
You know Alex about what you said about Misty not wanting to baby sit. IN the Hypnosis video Misty says ,in a rhetorical way, “Its not like I knew they were coming for her”. It is right near the beginnig. In the VLA test Misty states ” it is not like if someone held a gun to my head wheew!(paraphrasing) I sometimes wonder if these statements have any meaning behind them.
A lot of people admit to be witnesses to crimes when they aren’t. A lot of people admit to committing crimes even though they didn’t. I think somebody wanting to get out of jail bad enough would have told LE anything they thought LE wanted to hear. Heck it worked when TC was in jail for the stolen gun. Say he went to the MH, bam, bond reduced. Why wouldn’t he think that handing them the name of the person that took, killed, and disposed of Haleigh, would get him immunity to all of his crimes, and a get out of jail free card?
The Croslins had already thrown JO under the bus from day one, so why wouldn’t TC just keep up that lie for his own benefit?
imvho he married her to show wbp and cj he had her??
Probably why he let them film it,lol
WhyLie, I do not believe Misty was going anywhere, The parents wanted her to leave. Ron married Misty 31 days after Haleighs disappearance. They had already drove 2hours and 34minutes away for Ron to get his tattoo together. Misty was not going to leave Ron. She really loves him. Then you have Ron divorcing her and Mistys attorney stating that Ron is not to speak with Misty unless he is present. They did not haul Fields in on those drug trafficking charges.jmo
I caught that too and wondered Looking but didn’t say it cause I would have been 1st but 2 of us shouldn’t be wrong?
Looking- I think Misty is still afraid of what happened that night enough so she would put the blame on someone else. If she witnessed what happened to Haleigh she knows ut can happen to her. I think Ron knows what happened and knows how fearful Misty is of telling the truth.
Alex I agree Misty is very scared, but it is not of Joe. Whomever it is must be very dangerous.jmo
WhyLie,I didn’t see your post or I’d have shut up,you already stated what i tried too!
He did it to get out of jail!
My opinion is of course he married her because of the underage sexing! While I still am NOt believing the Joe story. They have NOT been keeping consistent with who done it. Tommy even points in RC/Mexicans direction, while saying he will NOT blame an innocent man (Joe)!
Chatty, There are certain things Misty says that comes out of nowhere. It just makes you pause and think for a moment.
Since we’re all going there,IMO She’s scared of ron?
Yes Looking it does?
Jumps right out at ya!
Bac, I remember that.
On the jail tapes she told Hank “I don’t even know if that was Jo that night” Sounds to me like SHE WAS TOLD Jo did it!!Or made to believe it rather? jmo
On the jail tapes she told Hank “I don’t even know if that was Jo that night” Sounds to me like SHE WAS TOLD Jo did it!!Or made to believe it rather? jmo
I think there are a few people afraid of Ron, but I also wonder if it is someone even bigger than Ron. jmo
Thats another reason I had my theory of a Man in black”
Jo was in town,so why not BE jO?? If ya could? LoL
CC, I believe Misty was told that JO did it, and she was told that by the Croslins. They told everybody that from the start, including LE and the media.
I think Misty knows now… she may have always suspected, but she knows the truth!
Chatty if you remember that is when Hank Sr. said that Tommy passed the poly. Misty even claimed at that point she had not pointed her finger at Tommy. We all know that was a lie, because we heard it come out of her mouth back in August 2009. Although, once it was released he had flunked they both pointed to Joe Overstreet and the search at Shell Harbour began.
Could be WhyLie…but I think Ron told her or convinced her rather b/c the Croslins always lost when it came to Ron in Mistys eyes? ya know..jmo…sorry not knocking you,lol
So do I Adams,she’s finally learning…I HOPE!
She’s had a lot of time to think Adams??
Maybe thats why Hank and Lisa went to Ron’s hearing that day?? To say hey buddy we know now?? ya never know!
Right Looking!!
Right Looking,they did!!and GF helped that along!
I just wish Misty would speak out and tell the truth.
Gosh,It would suck if you had your entire family accuse you of that?? and you are innocent!!! lordy be!
Maybe she has Looking,it’s sure been quiet with her??
Ok, I tried to read all the posts since this morning when I left for work, but there are so many.
However, can someone clarify the part about Misty saying she walked with the kids to TC’s that night? Im not sure Ive ever heard that before.
Also, I have a good friend who is a detective (not trying to sound important or anything), and I asked him about the situation and he said that his first thought was that the two officers were ‘foolin around’ when the calls came in, so they gave different locations or mixed things up to keep from getting busted.
Well, now that is a thought!! He says it happens more often than you think.
Yes, she did. I do believe in the beginning Flo was telling all the different scenarios she had heard. I think at first she thought she could do Misty some good,but she could not handle the pressure of answering the questions and made matters worse. Money is another factor as well if it Haleigh would have been found there.jmo
Also Looking,Misty said Ron told her a guy came up to him and said he could get HaLeigh back and that he’d kill ron if he told anybody,IMVHO That was ron’s way of keeping Misty quiet??
Jen I remember LE asked Misty if they ever went for walks and she said yes. She did let them know they would walk over to Tommys as well.
he didn’t want that to get out,just like the 35,ooo dollar thing?
He didn’t know Misty would blab all that??
but she did and he had to answer for it!!!
I see Lindsy Myspace has changed… beautiful pics of the kids!
I heard her say that on the jail tapes. That also corroborates Charles Jones jrs statement that Misty told him the drug people have Haleigh and Hank Srs statement that Ron said he could get her back if he had $35,000. Tommy also talked about it on the jail tapes with Lyndsey.
CC, then why would Chelsea and Lindsy blame JO from day one? Who were they protecting? Ron? I don’t think so. I think they blamed JO because they either suspected Misty, OR there is a family secret about TC or Timmy, and they were protecting one of them. No way they threw a family member under the bus to protect Ron. I just can’t buy that.
Why would the Croslins immediately think it was not an RSO or stranger that took Haleigh? They knew something, and they were protecting that person/s.
Maybe one was fooling around Jen! lol
I am glad Cent that she has her children up. I will have to check it out.
I think Chelsea and Lyndsey would blame Joe because their husbands went to help their sister out and became accessories to murder. They did not do it so much for Ron as they did for perhaps MC,TC and TC.jmo
ofcourse they wouldn’t ron but Misty yes and even so chelsea and lindsey were probably told by Misty??
I mean told by Misty that it was Jo? so they set out to save their men??
Exactly lfj, they would toss a not so close family member under the bus to protect one of their own, not to protect Ron. That leaves me to believe that Lindsy and Chelsea believe it was one, two, or all three of them, and that is who they are protecting, or believe they are protecting, as the case may be.
Tommy made a statement on the jail tapes that he did not do anything. He said that is my story and I am sticking to it. I have never heard anyone say this perticular statement and not somehow be involved.
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
ita!!!
No WhyLie, if they tell on Ron,then the rest go down with him.jmo
Hello Little Bear good too see you. It has been awhile.
CC, Chelsea and Lindsy tossed JO to LE that night. They went home, were talking on the phone, came up with the JO did it, and called LE. LE went and took the van. I think Chelsea and Lindsy came up with the JO did it story all on their own (maybe with TC and Timmy’s help), gave the story to Misty and it grew from there.
Looking,I forgot about that?? he sure did!
Thanks, lfj!
And, thank you all for having such a great dialogue this evening!! THIS is why I keep coming back here.
The way that bunch is they prolly scratched their own van.ROFL to get the focus on Jo?
dummies!
I think they didn’t blame Ron because they knew Ron was at work and they knew LE knew Ron was at work. JO was next in line.
CC, LOL, sad but true.
It is always a pleasure to see you.
Looking,it was funny how Tommy said he aint making up no lies to get out of jail,why the heck not,thats what he said he did the first time,lol
LOL!! Chatty.
lfj, they all can’t go down if she was murdered. Only one person would have committed the actual act. All any of them had to do was point the finger at the “trigger” man, so to speak, and they would be home free instead of doing 15 years or more behind bars.
Right Whylie,why I said they probably scratched their own van,lol
That is so true Chatty! Now I do wonder when he was talking to Hank he made a statement ” it doesn’t matter because Lyndsey doesn’t know anything. I wonder if that is a true statement or not.
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
WOW! Chatty. A gun under the pllow. I would be afraid it would go off while I was sleeping.
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The only way a semi automatic pistol can ‘go off’ is if someone chambered a round and pulled the trigger. Guns aren’t prone to just firing at will
ROFL I just visualized them scratching their van….rofl too sad there wasn’t a witness like the rat one?? too funny!
In the hands of a blind woman they are Vaq,rofl j/k Couldn’t help it!
If they acted in any way of disposing and covering up a crime they will be indicted for accessory. If they just witnessed it and did not report it then that is a whole different scenario.
right Looking,sounded like an admission of guilt didn’t it??
Vaq, I was not just referring to a semi automatic gun Any gun. I am a gun shy person.
whoever is lying in this case should have to get 240 yrs themselves,a lot of lives destroyed with the games of all the players!
ChattyCathy said,in August 25th, 2010 at 7:37 pm Right,and even if mg or js did,I really don’t think they’d have even let CS know?? for some strange reason,I really don’t?
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Going with the Sheffields theory (which is one of my theory’s), I have written on this before. I think they knew that CS would not get those kids back. She was due in court, etc. and owed money and could possibly be locked up. Ron had moved already, had custody, and they were faced with not getting to see their grandkids, etc.. NON-custodial abductions are VERY common, while stranger abductions are rare.
(Will mention, since I know there are a few who keep asking this over and over after I post that…*they didn’t take Jr because Misty woke up and scared them away before they got him.)
Ok, back to the story…..I agree that they would not tell CS. They want Haleigh to have a chance at life and there was none with CS or Ron. I think they very well could of arranged for Haleigh to be illegally adopted, maybe for some serious cash. I still wonder about the mysterious ‘enabler’ that paid CS’s back child support. Why??? Sorry, but none of that adds up to me.
Also, why would MC and TC implicate themselves in this? Gee, where to start! One, they are both dumb as a box of rocks. I think they were drugged, don’t know what happened. Have guessed at different scenarios. One leads the other and the other leads right back. They know that they are being blamed. Now, they are faced with how many years??? for drugs. Well they better take the advice of the lawyers if they ever want to see the light of day.
Remember, the lawyers are most likely telling them that no one will ever buy the JO did it story unless they say they were witness. So, Misty is innocent because she was scared and hid under the covers, but knows what happened and TC is innocent, because he was forced to ride along with JO, but knows what happened.
They don’t know anyone else to blame, bottom line. He was the only other one there that they can remember!
Misty tried to get LE to look at the other side of the family, but LE was dead set on Misty providing them with answers. And when she couldn’t, then it all got conjured up through forceful interrogators, lawyers, over zealous LE, and irresponsible journalism. (JMO). Yes, they are in a predictament, but it is by their own stupidity they are in this situation.
I still say that LE needs to go down a different path and look at other things and people. We are still at square one (talking about timelines) and still NO HALIEGH.
I have to ask WHY does LE keep doing the same thing over and over and over (focusing on Misty to do their detective work) and expect different results each time.
It totally baffles me! She is not a mastermind criminal! and neither is TC! WHY won’t they at least look elsewhere for answers??? Are they that determined to prove they are right? Is their tunnel vision at a pinpoint view?
I would really like an answer to those questions.
It seems that way Chatty.
ITA !Chatty
I am too Looking,terrified of them!
When theres a nut behind the trigger they’re deadly!
I agree there Chatty.
Where is the report located that has the name blacked out?
When I was a kid A 5 yr old little girl I went to Sunday School with was shot and killed by her brother?
An accident because he was shooting birds and one landed on the porch and he shot at it and killed her,I still have that obit to this day,It still haunts me!
WhyLie said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
TJ was in contact with Teresa, and it was Teresa that would have had to get the phone records, so I will go with what TJ says as far as the number of calls made, versus what AH’s “source close to the investigation” says.
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I’ll go even one better and believe Gary Bowling over AH.
Croslin tells cops: No one was home
Published: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:10 AM EDT
Croslin told investigators he went to the house about 10 p.m. on Feb. 9 at the request of Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s father, who had been trying to reach Misty Croslin by telephone for two hours.
“He had tried more than 20 times, and those calls went unanswered,” sheriff’s Maj. Gary Bowling said Monday, citing telephone records obtained by authorities.
In addition, Bowling and other sheriff’s officials have said Misty Cummings’ statements to investigators have been inconsistent and that she has walked out of at least one interview.
On Monday, Misty Cummings’ attorney disputed her brother’s statements to investigators.
“Misty says she was there, so that’s that,” Robert Fields said. “He didn’t go in, so there’s no way he could have verified that she wasn’t there.”
Fields said there was no proof Hank Croslin Jr. went to the house that night.
“He might just be telling investigators what they want to hear,” Fields said. “He might not even remember that night. There’s so many problems with that it’s almost countless.”
Article:
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/arti…ews/news01.txt
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Were Haleigh, stepmom home? Calls, interview cast doubt
Published: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 3:46 p.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 3:46 p.m.
Ryan said that phone records show that Ronald Cummings made 20 attempts to reach Misty during the evening of Feb. 9. Hank Croslin, who lived down the street, told investigators that Cummings asked him to check on Misty, Haleigh and Cummings’ 3-year-old son, Ronald Cummings Jr., who Cummings believed were all at the mobile home where they lived as a family.
Hank Croslin told investigators that when he arrived at the home at about 9:45 p.m. there were no lights on inside and no one answered the door when he banged on it.
“What Hank Croslin told us is contrary to what Misty told us,” Ryan said.
Misty previously told investigators that she put the children to bed and was doing housework before she went to bed sometime around 10 p.m.
Article:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2…ew-casts-doubt
It was on the rat gate pdf? If you meant me Jen??
Jen M if you go down to the article about Ron and gun. Simon has the link in that article. You will see it. It says the original police report.
That is really sad Chatty. You hear about it all the time. Accidental shootings.
Second article is what Ricky Ryan, under sheriff, said.
Thanks LFJ
Y/W JenM
ChattyCathy said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
I am too Looking,terrified of them!
When theres a nut behind the trigger they’re deadly!
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I love guns. Some of them are works of art with the etching and beautiful wood or pearl handles.
Learned from our youth counselor at Church when we all used to go to the river to swim
when I was 15. First 2 guns I shot were a M16 army rifle and a .357 magnum. Bought my first gun at 21 when I could legally buy a handgun.
When there is a nut behind the wheel of a car it’s deadly, same can be said of a knife, baseball bat, bow and arrow or just about anything else.
Bingo Vaq! ITA with ya!
If a person knows how to use them and use safety they’re fine imo but too many people who have access to one use it without thought just because they’re angry with somebody? a road rage or anything like that,Like cj..he wanted permission imo to kill ron? all i am saying??
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Vaq, I was not just referring to a semi automatic gun Any gun. I am a gun shy person.
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some people are and that’s ok with me. I never put someone down because they don’t like guns but I will try to explain the truth about guns too
Too bad there isn’t a shooting range where you could go get some lessons and not be so afraid of them..heck, you might even like shooting.
people with a quick temper shouldn’t even be near one!
I’ve had quite a few run ins with guns,believe me!Thats why I say anyone with a temper shouldn’t ever have one?
omg,puter probs,brb
Vaq, I realize it is the person, not the gun that usually kills someone. I just do not want to take that chance. There are ranges here. Striclands shooting range. I just worry, especially if it were underneath my pillow.
ITA! Chatty. Tempers are violent all on their own having a fire arm around could be even more volatile.
Goodnight everyone
Texasmommy and Alex,
I am sorry for your losses
You are both strong intelligent women, bless you both.
Kim P opens her mouth and that action speaks for itself. I have no idea why that woman does and speaks the thing she does seems like self destructive behaviour, she flat out lies. AH is as he is, Levi Page is either incredibly stupid or he is smart enough to get people to believe he is so stupid he comes across as amusing and gets followers as a result of it. Nancy Grace has become rich knowing she has and does report untrue things “sometimes” There are some lines you just can’t cross and not meet your maker on, November 1st is the least of her worries.
Ok, had to leave for a bit, but back. I understand that one of the names crossed out is probably Jrs? on that report.
I don’t understand all the other marking out stuff…where they are describing where they turned the car, etc? Anybody know what that said?
Also, if TC was there and did all what he said, why would he not of been there when the cops showed up and got his name on the list? I mean, if he is so sticking by Misty, especially with the story, why would he slime on home that night and leave Misty to face Ron alone?
Also, if him and Misty thought the JO did it story, why did Misty tell LE (on tape and video) that the ‘back door was set up just like Tommy sets them up with a brick when he robs MH’s'???? Why would she throw him under the bus if they were in cahoots together? My thought is that she wouldn’t.
Considering what is going on now, my guess is that Misty is going along with this story. She will help TC if she can, even though she probably does suspect he did some of it. And I think if TC and JO did do this for real, I think they were very very high on Meth (not angry about a gun or whatever). Just trashed out of their minds. Misty still may of been asleep when it happened and woke up to it and so drugged up herself, didn’t know if it was a dream or not. Her mind is very easily swayed. Maybe she is now realizing that it wasn’t a dream OR she is being convinced that it was real.
Doesn’t mean it was.
Ok, I was thinking more about this…. I may be waaaaay off, but this sure makes sense to me and explains the calls, the actions, the behaviors, the 8 X 10 pic, the protecting of Misty, etc. This is a new theory for me…so give it some thought.
TN sure seemed to side with Misty and take up for her when all this happened. It seemed a little too cozy in a strange way. There seemed to be some dysfunction with the two of them when it came to Ron. It was like they both enabled him and walked on eggshells around him for fear he would act out.
So, then started thinking about the 911 dispatch script posted above. Seems to me that there was a call made “prior” to Misty’s call. Also seems there was some conversation on a phone which isn’t seen on this report.
So, since there is no report really on an earlier call, I just wonder if Misty called TN and was freaking out that Haleigh was missing. This was the first she had turned the phone on since the fight with Ron. She may of told TN that she thought maybe Haleigh had wondered off to Tommy’s or something???? (she decides to call Timmys herself to see if JO is there, etc). Misty says to TN, I can’t leave because Jr is asleep, etc. so will you go to TC’s and check? …… TN advises her to stay calm, and that they will find Haleigh.(TN was in rescue mode, protection mode, and dysfunctional mother mode) Im sure she knew of all the drugs and that someone might get busted in the process, so she covered??
Anyway, TN heads over to TC’s to find out what is going on!! Nobody knows nothing. Eventually, TN makes a call to dispatch (maybe the 911 number, but then asks for a specific officer) and has that someone come out and meet her at TC’s. (she does not want to draw attention to Ron’s MH) She is friends with the officer, so she says she needs help looking for Haleigh. (She thinks maybe Haleigh just wandered out the MH somehow). They start looking. During the search, TN runs home, grabs a picture of Haleigh and puts on her jacket (the other report says she is employed as a dispatcher, so the jacket makes sense), and she is headed back to TC’s. (?Maybe TN convinces them to not make more of a big deal than what it is?)
Meanwhile, Misty is frantic this whole time. She gets nervous, starts cleaning, etc. She knows Ron is gonna kill her for letting Haleigh get stole, so she tries to call him as if she just woke up and as she heads for the front door of the MH and opens the door. Ron makes her call 911.
Dispatch then calls the other officer in the area, who reports to dispatch…”Im at 116 Tyler”. She couldn’t say what was going on, because it was not an ‘official’ report, etc. It was a favor to TN… Anyway, when they say 10-51, in that report, that means they are ‘following up on a previous reporting’? I think TN had a private phone conversation or 2 with dispatch or an officer about what had been going on. Then on the transcript, the one officer asks, are you back on green lane, uh at the house. And that officer says yes she is going back to green lane. (Maybe she had already been over there searching around the place for Haleigh and was headed back to TC’s place to let TN know, when the call came in. The officer lets TN know that a 911 call was made by Misty, etc. TN jumps in her vehicle and followed the officer over there (picture in hand).
I think LE and TN can’t come out and be truthful about waiting to make that call. I think Misty was following orders from TN to hold off until she could get her LE friends to come help find Haleigh before Ron came home and went ballistic. I think her attempts failed obviously. All of this delay is a real issue. I think this is why TN sided with Misty so much, because she didn’t want Misty to spill the beans. Misty and TN both know that Ron would hate them for this.
And I bet LE is keeping it a secret too, because they know it was improper protocol and may have delayed the locating of Haleigh.
JenM, good morning! I’m sorry, I don’t understand what beans TN was afraid that M would spill?
Also, all that effort on TN’s part and LE so R would not get mad? I don’t think so. And why would M ask TN to GO to T’s to see if Haleigh was there – when she could call him a lot quicker?
Also, apparently there was no call that night. No call to Tyler. That’s a misunderstanding or fabrication. So the transcript is easily misinterpreted. No way to know what it means.
vaquera said,in August 25th, 2010 at 11:22 am
“There was NO 911 call from 116 Tyler that night. Someone checked with PCSO and was told there were no calls from that house that night.
The transcripts have no times and are redacted so they don’t tell the whole story.
There was no dog call to that address that night either.”
So lets see this story written by Simon that we are commenting on is about “spin”. Very heavily about Art Harris and Kim Picazio. So I think it is very appropriate to ask Simon and Jan questions about what especially those two are saying about them, in fact I would think that they would welcome the chance to answer those questions, after all Simon is the one that wrote the article. And in fact Simon is the one that wrote in this very article “The question becomes one of money.”
So just how is it “disrespectful” to ask the writer(s) of this story questions about what they wrote?
mlee said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Here is a suggestion, All of your Police Dept. and Sheriff Dept, should have a ride along program, whereas they allow citizen to sign a waver of liability, and allow these citizen to ride along with them on shift. Now, my suggestion, if you don’t understand police procedures, sign up, ride with them.. But, choose the Graveyard shift, and watch how they handle calls, at 3:30am in the mornings. Then come back and lets discuss this..
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In fact Putnam County Sheriffs Office welcomes this, and they actually encourage you to choose the graveyard shift. Their main “rule” is that you dress appropriately, collared shirts, slacks and sturdy shoes.
LadieSadie,
While I choose to believe S&J are NOT making money, just as they have stated… I do NOT feel it’s disrespectful to ask a question that is troubling you!!
JenM said,
in August 26th, 2010 at 3:02 am
Ok, had to leave for a bit, but back. I understand that one of the names crossed out is probably Jrs? on that report.
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JenM, you are probably right that makes perfect sense.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in August 26th, 2010 at 5:45 am
Exactly bac, asking questions is the only way to get answers. I did not state it as a fact, I asked a question.
looking for Justice said,
in August 25th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
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Read the case of the Cecil Mills murder in Putnam. SA DROPPED the murder charge on one of the participants from murder to BURGLARY in exchange for his testimony and he walked away with probation. Charles Coring was set free to walk the streets after participating in a burglary and murder of an innocent human being, just last month, so there is no way I believe that the same thing would not happen if one of them had talked and spilled what really happened to Haleigh.
It’s Putnam county after all, and anything goes.
Goodmorning everyone,
I do not see anything wrong with asking questions.
I will say I hope we can stay on topic today. There is a new article out titled KP blast BNN.
I agree it is Putnam County after all and anything goes.
They may not want to take the chance. They are involved in a very high profile case. They possibly feel their chances are much better taking the drug rap.jmo
looking for Justice said,in August 26th, 2010 at 7:40 am Goodmorning everyone,
I do not see anything wrong with asking questions.
I will say I hope we can stay on topic today. There is a new article out titled KP blast BNN.
Why would she do that? It seems there’s quite a vendettta against BNN-but when they want videos,tapes and info, where do they come?
IMO
Granny 23, I have never been to websleuths. I do not know too much about them. The article was written by Levi Page.
Thanks, LfJ, that explains a lot if it was written by Levi.
lfj, is the new article you mentioned here on BNN? I don’t see it yet.
Granny 23, I agree.
I would not dignify the allegations of AH, KP and my gosh “13 year-old gossip-girl Hedda Hopper wanna-be Levi” by questioning Jan and Simon who have a two-year history of sincerity and honestly striving for integrity as far as I’m concerned.
The same “questions” have been asked and answered by J & S many, many times and long-time BNN posters know it.
What happened yesterday was not so much asking innocent questions as casting doubt and insinuating that J and S were lying and/or skewing their articles in some way. Just check the posts.
Sure it’s a free world and a very liberal, indulgent blog, but come on! Asked and answered. If someone is not satisfied, there are plenty of other blogs to post on.
Now it’s just trouble-making.
m2c said,in August 26th, 2010 at 5:06 am JenM, good morning! I’m sorry, I don’t understand what beans TN was afraid that M would spill?
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TN might be afraid that Misty will tell all the real reason the 911 call was delayed so long. And that they all searched for Haleigh before that call (including TN). Misty may of begged TN to help her find Haleigh before they had to really call the police. TN probably knew there were drugs somehow involved and rushed in to rescue Misty and possibly keep her son from getting busted if the cops came over and found drugs or guns, etc??
Also, all that effort on TN’s part and LE so R would not get mad? I don’t think so. And why would M ask TN to GO to T’s to see if Haleigh was there – when she could call him a lot quicker?
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Effort on TN’s part so that they could find Haleigh (if they thought she was around there or with a relative). Keep the situation quiet. Maybe they didn’t want LE involved on an “official” level yet. Didn’t think it was that serious.
Second question: maybe Misty’s phone was dead or maybe Tommy had it or she couldn’t find it or ? maybe she even asked Timmy and Chelsea to go over there too. We don’t know the calls or who had what phone when. Misty couldn’t leave because of JR. TN may of been out looking for Haleigh and when she got to TC’s, she heard some story from TC? Who knows. But it sure explains how she got the 8X10 pic and her work jacket at 3 am or so and showed up right behind the 911 officers on the scene.
Also, apparently there was no call that night. No call to Tyler. That’s a misunderstanding or fabrication. So the transcript is easily misinterpreted. No way to know what it means.
vaquera said,in August 25th, 2010 at 11:22 am
“There was NO 911 call from 116 Tyler that night. Someone checked with PCSO and was told there were no calls from that house that night.
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Ok, that’s my point. It was an ‘unofficial call’ from TN herself to her ‘buddies’ in dispatch to get an officer over there. I don’t know who the ‘someone’ is that checked with PCSO, etc. but that is also my point…PSCO would not admit that such a thing occured because it is against policy. They would be in hot water. They are all covering for each other.
The transcripts have no times and are redacted so they don’t tell the whole story.
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True. That is the point. There are ‘holes’ in this transcript that have not been addressed. Seems that info pops up out of no where. My son is a dispatcher part time for the city, and he said that sometimes they make phone calls to other officers instead of discussing everything over the radio. I am thinking that this very possible that this may of occurred here. Could explain a whole lot.
ChattyC…I know you were wondering some of those questions about TN awhile back….maybe that will give some thought to some of it.
The whole purpose is to TRY AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT FOR REAL and WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH!
Since we have very little facts about that night, how can we say what is true or not and what happened or not? I think anything is possible. I don’t take a transcript from a dispatcher as being 100%. The “official” initial police report I just looked at has Haleigh as a Male???? Go figure.
NO m2c, it is at examiner.com Nashville. It is written by Levi page.
I just do not want a repeat of yestrday. I only mentioned it to give a fair warning for today.
Thank you, lfj! I thought I was missing a new BNN article somehow. I am not going to waste even a second reading that guy’s carp and certainly not discussing it.
Back to our topic: Haleigh!
WhyLie @ 7:27 am made me wonder if LE offered M or T any kind of deal for the truth. If not, I think it was a mistake. A missing, possibly murdered child trumps other charges imo. Or maybe LE did and M and T could not provide proof or just didn’t know the truth?
m2c I am inclined to think they could not provide proof. I say this because of the river search and LEs frustrations towards TC feeling that he lied to them.jmo
Hi, lfj! Let’s look at it this way. What if LE had found proof (Haleigh’s remains, I am sorry to say).
Then what? If there was no proof of who took her or hurt her, they’d only have M and T’s word. I really think they could have been prosecuted as accomplices before/after the fact and lying/obstruction etc. So IF they’d gotten a deal on those kinds of charges up front it would have made me more inclined to believe they were telling the truth. But I have not seen anything about a deal. Which is another reason I’m suspicious of their lawyers, LE and this whole mess of a “story.”
I believe M2c that is why they did not get a deal. I think if there had been evidence found then LE would have believed their story and I also believe Joe would have been arrested for murder. This would of brought some credibility to their story. I think TC would have been charged with accessory after the fact and obstruction. I think Misty would not have been charged at all if all her involvement was what she said it was. Misty was a minor at the time of Haleighs disappearance. jmo
lfj, what I’m trying to say is that I would believe M and T’s stories more, IF I knew that they had some kind of deals in place BEFORE LE went to search.
If they were telling the truth, then there was a possibility that proof would be found, and – without a deal – that they could be prosecuted (in addition to their drug charges). So why would they do that? Why tell the truth and risk even more time in jail?
I blame their lawyers for that. Misty throughout the last year and a half has always gone against her attorneys advice to be quiet.jmo
But, you’re right as far as M being a minor and maybe not being prosecuted for much if at all – but that’s where the carrot comes in. For her, the deal for telling the truth would be leniency on the sentencing for her drug charges.
If neither of them had any kind of understanding or deal with LE or the SA before those stories were made public, then I truly wonder about the integrity and competency of their lawyers.
Only responsible people should have guns.
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ChattyCathy said,in August 25th, 2010 at 10:48 pm people with a quick temper shouldn’t even be near one!
That whole mess yesterday leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and after reading Levi’s rant..I have one question. If Lisa was assaulted, there wound have been a police report, so where is it?
I really think they are just trying to make Jan and Simon look bad, and that is just not right.
MOO
lfj @ 9:28 – LE and M’s lawyers should have told her very clearly five minutes after arresting her what the deal was for the truth. I think if she knew it meant the difference between decades in jail and a couple years or YO, then we’d have seen a different outcome (IF she had any real information). And she sure would not have blabbed it on the phone before getting her deal.
Granny, I agree. Those “people” are scum-sucking bottom feeding publicity hounds. AH, KP and their progeny little levi. That’s about the nicest thing I can say.
You knowm2c, there acyually may have been a deal for Tommy and Misty upon sustantiated proof that we are not aware of,but when none was provided from the search it was null and void.jmo
Actually- oops here come the typos. Sometimes I think my fingers are dyslexic.LOL!!
It certainly makes one wonder if Misty has any information. I don’t think she does. I also do not think LE believes the “JO done it” story at all, at least I would hope not.
For me there are only two reasonable choices and that is, TC did it. Misty has suspected him all along but has no real first hand knowledge. OR TC made up the entire story to get out of jail, and went along with the Croslins original story of JO taking Haleigh, and that would leave the question open, WHERE IS HALEIGH?
That’s right, lfj, there might have been a deal. But I would have expected to hear about it, though, especially considering what a blabbering buffoon T’s lawyer is.
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WhyLie, those are both possibilities. I’d also add that T’s story kind of backed up SKB’s theory and considering all the “communication” between SKB and Werter, I wonder if T was led to believe he’d get a deal for telling it (and SB get the reward/recognition). Just a thought.
JenM, thank you. It took a while for your post to appear so that’s why I’m late responding. I don’t think LE starting to look for a missing child based on a non-emergency type of call is enough grounds for the huge cover up that’s alleged. And I am not bothered by TN appearing when she did or even with a photo. I’ve got photos on tables at every door and the fridge etc that I could grab on my way out to look for my dog nevermind a missing child. So none of that stuff bothers me enough to build a huge conspiracy around it. Plus if the motivation was TN’s supposed fear of drugs or guns in the MH, then where’d they go and who took them and when?
And also I would guess neighbors would have heard a car possibly twice.
But that’s just me, JenM. Everyone has a different view and I understand that.
Can someone give me Jan’s email address?
Misty says to Hank Sr. ” I just can’t bring her back” meaning Haleigh. Misty was being very sincere with her father. Misty knows what happened to Haleigh I believe. jmo
Tommy tells Hank Sr. I don’t know anything ( paraphrasing) “That is my story and I am sticking to it”. TC knows what happened or was also involved. I do not think TC acted alone.jmo
Little Bear it is jannyo@gmail.com
Jan Barrett
Due to certain circumstances we are going to have to shut down the comments again temporarily. For those of you that would like to continue the conversations your forum (for members only) will still be open. We apologize for any inconveniences due to this but we feel this is the best way to handle this.
Thank you to all of you that support us completely. It is good to know that some people actually have faith in of knowing we would NEVER write an article just to get the traffic in here. We honestly only want to keep Haleigh’s name in the headlines. Regardless to what “They” are saying we want Haleigh’s case not to go into the cold case files, we want her to be found and to find out who is really responsible for her disappearance.
God Bless You All!
Jan Barrett
oh and one more thing, I would NEVER use my faith in God to get fame and fortune like some people do. My love and faith for God is indeed real and he will make sure that those out there that want to hurt us will be taken care of one way or the other.