This just in from TJ Hart – Jan Barrett
Ronald Cummings withdrew his not guilty plea in the drug trafficking cases against him Friday morning.
Prosecutors agreed to drop two of the five cases against Cummings, and he entered a guilty plea in the other three.
One of the cases carries a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison, with a 10-year max.
The other two have minimums of 10 years each with maximums of 30.
Ronald Cummings is slated to be sentenced Sept. 24.
Cummings, the father of Haleigh Cummings who has been missing since February of 2009, was arrested on the drug trafficking charges with four others in a drug sting back in January.
Cummings’ ex-wife and babysitter the night the child vanished from their Satsuma home, Misty Croslin, was among those arrested in the sting.
Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Cummings’ daughter Haleigh was in the courtroom, joined by several family members.
A blogger and RadioNewz Blog claims Sheffield and her mother were seen outside the Putnam County courthouse this morning pointing at Lisa Croslin, the mother of Misty Croslin, who was standing near a bus stop at that time.
Sheffield and her other were also seen at the St. Johns County courtroom earlier this week where Misty Croslin enter her plea to a drug charge in that county.
Attorneys representing two of the others arrested along with Ronald Cummings in January spoke out this week, saying Cummings’ ex-wife Misty Croslin and her brother Tommy believe their cousin broke into the home in Satsuma and took Haleigh.
TJ Hart
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackWhats a goin’ on? There is no way my boy is spending ANY time in prison.
Why are Tommy and Misty the ONLY ones who have to say things about Haleigh, while Ronald has not mentioned one iota???
That to me proves his innocence and not just that, but his UNinvolvement, including not being aware of anything that happened. He has been in the dark since day one.
I am on pins and needles waiting for him to finally break his silence.
Hopefully Ron gets the max of 60 years! If what Misty is saying now is true that the machine gun was what was at the heart of this then Ron knew all along. He needs to fess up to having it and where he got it from.
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“Shoemaker said Cummings will testify at any upcoming trials and will continue to cooperate with the investigation of Haleigh’s case. The Croslins were arrested in the trafficking case with Cummings.
Cummings’ most valuable testimoney may be in the form of a timeline concerning the days and weeks leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance, Shoemaker said. Law enforcement officials have said Cummings is not a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance”
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24698963/index.html
the reporter said pcso said haleigh’s parents are not suspects
Alex, we don’t know if there is any machine gun or not. That solely came from Granny Flo. Werter said months ago in an interview Joe went over there to steal a deer rifle so he could go deer hunting and then it morphs into a machine gun.
Also, you can own them with the proper license and pay a 200 dollar tax.
From day one Misty has tried to point the finger and hint at Joe, I think it was on day 2 of the case; the gun story was always there, I don’t know why no one has believed in it’s validity; Any druggie, dealer, etc..NEEDS that kind of gun. You don’t have that sort of gun just for hunting…Ronald has guns for hunting, so yes, he probably DID have that gun for it’s specific purpose of protection.
Was it registered to him, do we have proof?
Has that ever come out? Does anyone know?
BUT, why does that make him deserve what he’s gone through, and what Haleigh has gone through?
From day one Misty has tried to point the finger and hint at Joe, I think it was on day 2 of the case; the gun story was always there, I don’t know why no one has believed in it’s validity; Any druggie, dealer, etc..NEEDS that kind of gun. You don’t have that sort of gun just for hunting…Ronald has guns for hunting, so yes, he probably DID have that gun for it’s specific purpose of protection.
Was it registered to him, do we have proof?
Has that ever come out? Does anyone know?
BUT, why does that make him deserve what he’s gone through, and what Haleigh has gone through?
From day one Misty has tried to point the finger and hint at Joe, I think it was on day 2 of the case; the gun story was always there, I don’t know why no one has believed in it’s validity; Any druggie, dealer, etc..NEEDS that kind of gun. You don’t have that sort of gun just for hunting…Ronald has guns for hunting, so yes, he probably DID have that gun for it’s specific purpose of protection.
Was it registered to him, do we have proof?
Has that ever come out? Does anyone know?
BUT, why does that make him deserve what he’s gone through, and what Haleigh has gone through?
Guess if Ronald is being called as a witness for the prosecution, that clears up all doubt. He is not a suspect and will not be charged for anything to do with HaLeigh. He is a witness.. for the prosecution. Hope that is clear now. Same as LE has been saying for over a year. This is a man that lost his child.
I, just hope something is done for Little Haleigh ? and soon ain’t soon enough for me.
My computer is ridiculous, sorry folks. Its on a new router, and its messed up.
VAQUERA: How come from the beginning there was ALWAYS talk of the gun, c’mon, it came directly from their mouths, and when Ronald was asked about it, he was extrememly defensive, his usual “ronism language” that is really translated as “shutup”!!
I am so confused, I think the gun from the culvert has always been the machine gun.
That was his handgun that someone stole,I still don’t believe Joe stole it. A handgun is a long way from being a machine gun.
Joe also was most likely in with the dealers as well; I have also thought all along that the reason he was in town for the lone reason of drugs. How can anyone believe his alibi, “JUST VISITING.”
Total crap. These types of people make “visits” for a reason. It’s called profit, fronting, and scoring.
When u are that high, ur out of it, ur deranged, ur psycho, u do things without thinking. Joe got in over his head and went ballistic. Then he had to get rid of his evidence.
Another thing people may not be realizing, he may have ties that could quiet Misty and Tommy if they spoke. PEOPLE THAT HE WORKED FOR. That could have been part of the threat. That lifestyle warrants all sorts of possibilities.
Connections, money, lies.
Vaquera- Ron knows if he had one or not. He has not denied it. If he was truly cooperating he would take an LDT in regards to all guns & drug connections he was involved in. Then and only then should the court think about redusing the sentence from the max based on Ron’s involvement.
And I for one, will proudly be present when Ronald does his famous strut as he walks out of a jail as a FREE MAN.
Hell, I’ll take him out to eat, then on a shopping spree. That man has been through a living hell.
Okay, Werter can say anything as long as it’s off the record.
Of course he would say that, so it would divert any public attn away from a machine gun.
Rumors don’t happen for no reason at all.
LE call people witnesses all the time and say they are not suspects or persons of interest and then it comes out they are the one involved. They may just want to get him on the stand, as a defendant he doesn’t have to testify but as a witness he has no choice. I think this is a very interesting tactic giving Ron enough Rope to hang himself!
rumors happen for no reason all the time.I was at Websleuths when they had the rumor thread, I saw it firsthand.
I will leave ya’ll with your thoughts he had a machine gun cuz granny Flo said so.
Later
It would be very unfair if Ronald gets less time than Hope and Tommy. Ronald has prior run-ins with the law just like they did.
If Ronald gets less time than Misty I will be really displeased with the system. She has more counts but no priors that I am aware of. He is older than Misty and should have told her to stay out of the drug trade and had he not gone along with her I don’t she would have 8 counts. She wanted to impress him and he told her he was a big time shaker and mover.
IMO Ron is about to be slapped with the truth?
He will get the max!
Just not on drug charges?
Tim Miller slso said he had the assault rifle?
Thats why he’s been lying about it imo!
also isn’t it illegal to have an assault rifle,he couldn’t register it??
Le often says a person is not a suspect or a person of interest. It is an interesting tactic to call Ron a witness, this way he has to testify not protected as if he were called a defendant. Once on the stand Ron will have enough rope to hang himself, figuratively speaking!
He had it before we knew flo,its when The fight brolke out over it which ron denied? denied b/c its illegal to won one,Ya goota face facts,There was a fight over the AR but ron denied that too? why?
own one,sorry!
Posted 10-05-09 10:37 From the article:
“Ronald recently showed him an assault rifle in his closet and threatened to “blow Misty’s teeth through the back of her head, if she had anything to do with it, and take a few people with her,” then kill himself.“
Fields also stated it was a machine gun. And Fields hasnt really said much until just recently. No one has denied the gun in question was a machine gun. jmo
J :have said it better myself!!
They don’t care to drop some charges when they have bigger things to accomplish? jmo
Alexandria Loring said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
LE call people witnesses all the time and say they are not suspects or persons of interest and then it comes out they are the one involved. They may just want to get him on the stand, as a defendant he doesn’t have to testify but as a witness he has no choice. I think this is a very interesting tactic giving Ron enough Rope to hang himself!
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Sooooo…. you think that the State is going to actually charge other people, bring them to trial, and put Ronald on the stand as a witness just to get him under oath? All that JUST to get Ronald under oath? A big elaborate scheme to put Ronald under oath so they can then charge HIM? They would not charge people with murder, just to get Ronald under oath. There are things like depositions, that also put people under oath without the need to go through a murder trial involving other people that the state doesn’t feel are involved. (If that is what you are implying)
I have a sneaking feeling this is a play to get Misty angry enough to tell the real story about what happened. Ron is going to testify against her and get a lighter sentence. But if you notice they can still give him the max on all the other counts. They did not agree to a straight 15. jmo
J- Well then what is it that Ron will be a witness to? I’m sure Misty is covering for him & it may be a conspiracy trial that Ron will testify at. Nothing was said about Ron getting a deal for a deposition, it said for him testifying!
Not just to get Ron under oath, at a deposition he will be on his guard perhaps have an attorney with him, not so likely as a witness!
Alexandria: Ronald doesn’t have to say anything about any gun!!!
He’s being charged for drug trafficking.
When he testifies for the state and offers up information, attornies certainly would never have him saying anything pertaining to that.
It won’t matter who the gun belongs to, it could belong to me or you for that matter.
The point of that will be WHY Joe took it, and for WHAT REASON, if it is true he took it cuz he is a psycho dope head low life who was so disgustingly high he thought up this crazy scheme of a disaster in a drug induced state…
Jo wasn’t involved imo whatsoever!
ITA Tobias!
Just saying but we ain’t gonna have to see ron worrying about drug charges? IMHO Its gonna be alot more than that?
JULES: Past charges don’t have any bearing on present charges unless he is on probation.
Which he was not.
He’s served whatever sentences/judgements made upon him in the past and fully met all the requirements of completion.
Can you prove Joe is a drug head psycho? I have yet to see any court record on him other than the recent pot plants. While we have direct proof others are definitly drug head gun toting thugs, dockets show this. Really all we have about Joe has come from people who are in jail and want out so bad they would blame mother teresa if they could. jmo
Anyways gnona read Lisas thread,I have had alot going on but I wanted to be around when Haleigh is close to Justice!
Which drug charges did he plead guilty to?
Why were Misty’s in 2 separate counties, and was Ron and the rest of the crew also?
Forgive me, I’m just on a forgetful train recently.
ITA Tobias,he is the one who left town,so don’t ya think if Jo were involved he would have made sure the evidence wasn’t left behind,he hightailed it outta town while they p;anted evidence on him??
Alexandria Loring said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
J- Well then what is it that Ron will be a witness to? I’m sure Misty is covering for him & it may be a conspiracy trial that Ron will testify at. Nothing was said about Ron getting a deal for a deposition, it said for him testifying!
Not just to get Ron under oath, at a deposition he will be on his guard perhaps have an attorney with him, not so likely as a witness!
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I do not believe Misty, Tommy or anyone is covering for Ronald. They have had every opportunity to throw him under the bus. Why would Tommy cover for Ronald? They hate each other. The only person that Tommy would cover for, IMO, is himself. He has lost everything. If he had anything, anything at all that could prove Ronald guilty, he would have thrown that information out there at first opportunity trying to save himself and hope to get his family back. Why would he protect Ronald?
In an article today, on St. Augustine (link in next post), from Tommy’s own attorney:
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They went there around midnight, Werter said. HaLeigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, was at work and the two were looking for a World War II-era machine gun to hunt deer.
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Ronald was at work.
Misty has also had every opportunity to “turn” on Ronald, if there was anything to turn on. She has gotten angry at him, as only a scorned teenaged girl can do. We heard her anger in her jail tapes. Yet, she knew that he was planning to testify against her, she has heard stories of him with other girls (prior to jail), and she has never once implicated Ronald.
My whole point about a deposition is this… you said you thought LE/State was trying to give Ronald rope to hang himself, and get him on the stand under oath so they could then charge him. My point was the State is not going to charge other people for MURDER, only to get Ronald under oath. If they want him under oath, they can do depositions on him to get him under oath. They are not going to go so far as to go to the lengths of a murder trial to “give Ronald rope”. I never said he was given a deal to do a deposition.
No one even knows what Ronald is set to testify to as far as his plea deal, yet people are ready to hang him for withholding evidence. No one knows that. He is the father of HaLeigh. He lived with Misty who was clearly involved in some manner. Ronald is obviously going to be called as a witness. Nothing seems all that nefarious, IMO.
LINK to St. Augustine article with quote from Werter:
They went there around midnight, Werter said. HaLeigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, was at work and the two were looking for a World War II-era machine gun to hunt deer.
http://staugustine.com/news/2010-08-20/new-chilling-details-case-haleigh-cummings
jmo ofcourse!
If they were there at around midnight then Chelsea lied. She said she was up late and Joe was there and so was the van. jmo
ronfan said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Which drug charges did he plead guilty to?
Why were Misty’s in 2 separate counties, and was Ron and the rest of the crew also?
Forgive me, I’m just on a forgetful train recently.
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Ron pled to 2 charges that carry a 15 year sentence, and one that carries a 3 year sentence. (The two charges that were dropped were the 2 charges that had 25 year sentences)
Ronald only had charges in Putnam County.
Tommy only had one charge in Putnam County.
Donna’s only charge was in St. John’s County.
Misty was the only person with charges in both counties.
ron: you know what? i felt like a criminal… i went straight down to the ditch…
because i figure if it`s on his premises and the law finds them… guess what?
cobra: boom, back to you!
ron: No… if it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble.
cobra: yeah
ron: so, you put it in the ditch and anybody could have put it there, right? got my
s*** right out of the culvert… took it home… sprayed it…cleaned it… and there
it was.
Ron knew to be careful of how he made the gun known and it could be anybodys??LoL He felt like a crimial too,then he says Misty found it?
VAQUERA: No, don’t leave!!!! I need answers!!
The machine gun talk was from day one!!
Remember the infamous Geraldo interview???
Uggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn’t Timmy say he woke up at 1 am and it was gone??
IMO If jo had known Haleigh was missing he’d have left town that second? he didn’t know till morning? and there he was hanging posters,no way!
Ron still does time for drug trafficking but iit isn’t looking to me like he had knowledge or participation in the act of Haleighs dissapearance.
Imo
Those charges are the min. not the max. and we saw where Tommy got more than his min. so as it stands Ron could get more than 15, its a wait and see what LaRue decides in Sept. jmo
The truth hurts when you’ve stood beside someone,but truth needs to be let out for Haleigh,No dad acts like ron has? No dad! imo
yea Tobias,and the tapes is what got misty to plea? Same tapes ron was in too??
J: Keep it comin’ love!!!
MO I really think that Ron is innocent. I dont think that he would be getting a break if he wasnt. No one else has gotten a deal, except Ron. There was no need to make a deal with him, they had him on tape. I went back in forth for a while weather he was involved or not, but in the beginning, I didnt think he was, and this imo clears him. He is just a father that went to work, and lost his daughter. It sounds like he has been working with the prosocution to find out what happened, and will continue to do so. For any bad thing I may have ever posted about him, I am not sure I did, but if so, I apologize. I hope that one day he will know what happened to his daughter, and be able to atleast have some peace.
Tommys min. was 3 if I am not mistaken and a max of 30. He got 15. Ron has a max of 30 on 2 counts min. of 10– 1count with max of 10 and min of 3. And no promise of the so wanted 15 his lawyer kept talking about. jmo
Also IMO, I think he will only get 13 years,and with yime served and good behavior, then he could bo out sooner. Hopefully so, seening as Jr. will be needing his father.
As I said before, we don’t know what kind of evidence LE has in regard to the Hailey case.
Until a Grand Jury is convened, they are playing it close to the vest. What Ron has given them may very well mesh with what they already have. IMO
J: wait, I didn’t think Werter was still on the deer hunting thing, don’t u think he says that sometimes to cover up the machine gun thing.
In other words, so the media won’t take it and run with it, and start with the crap about machine guns in general…like why would Ronald have one, etc…I can just see the headlines now: “Haleigh’s Dad & Deadly Machine guns. Whats The Connection!!” Or Scarface the sequel.
Told ya’ll……..
Finally Ronald will be vindicated.
This info makes me a little lighter. I have been fighting with Levi Page for 3 days on Facebook, because every post he ever has is slamming Ron Cummings. We have had a messaging war over this, and I am glad that I said the things I did to Mr. Page, because if it was me, I would want someone to point out the facts, like police saying he nor Crystal were POI’s. Mr. Page kept pushing that Ron had already been convicted by public opinion, and after this news, I wrote to him that he may have tried and convicted Ron Cummings, but the courts and the PD, sure hadnt, and thats whose opinion matters. I hope that this has the same effect on others as it has for me, and that ppl start to look at Ronald Cummings a little differently. From the events today I can believe he IS innocent, and I feel terrible for ever even thinking otherwise. Sorry for the long post, I just feel terrible for him. The was he has been slammed, and I am not saying I am a innocent, I know I have thought and prob posted some no so very nice things about him.
His conversation with Cobra alone shows he knew? di ginto it?
Jules,
I dont think Ronald knew she had been on a drug binge, just that she had been missing for three days. I think he found out what occured those three days when the rest of the world did. JMO.
if ya dig into it rather,lol they set Jo up from day one? jmo hugs,bbl
BTW congrats Ronfan!
all I know Karrie,is for a man not to know what happened to his own dtr and defend Misty from that very second,whom he only knew 4 months anyway,and tn and as praising her too but now want us to think she lies constantly,hmmmmmm bbl really
Cathyjoe-if the police dept really thought Ron had a hand in it, why is he the only one to get a deal in the trafficking cases? Why would he get that deal to testify in any trial about Haleigh? Why would the police tell everyone just Tuesday that neither he or Crystal are POI’s? I dont think all that adds up to the conculsion of Ron being guilty. JMO.
Ron didn’t know until after, imo.
He was at werk, or we’d know he snuck off by now, imo.
I think misty told him about joe and ron never did anything to joe because he wasn’t sure he could believe her enough to go to prison forever for killing him.
Tc did something, imo. Ron did not.
Ron may have been the reason, for his persona and hustling, but did not participate.
Imo
And wasnt Aunt Katrina waiting on Misty when Ron and Misty got busted the last time? She knew what was going down. She followed Misty and Ron to the store and Misty went to get her purse out of her car( she dumped her belongings in Katrinas car to make room for the drugs) Go back and watch the video and Misty even wanted her mom to go get her camera back from them. She is right about some of Rons family being involved with the drugs.
Katrina had a very lucky day.lol jmo
I wont give anyone a pass who knowingly leaves his children in the care of a drug addict. But in Rons world (since he is also a drug addict) it was just another day, until something went wrong. Rons world was drugs,under age girls, and guns.Hardly the life for little children.
And this way of life didnt start with Misty, he lived it also with Amber and Crystal. jmo bbl Hindsight does not get sympathy from me Ron knew what he was doing was wrong, remember he said he was the better parent. jmo
KARRI: Thank you!! I appreciate your comments about Ron, because imo, he has been so unfairly judged by the public and media. He is a man who goes on the record and wears his heart on his sleeve.
If we go back and listen to him, he never once has said anything DEFINITIVE concerning ANYONE’S involvement AND his own opinion thereof in this case.
He has played it safe and cool…..
Sadly, this has had the effect of the public and media to view him as suspicious..
From the moment I heard the 911 call, I liked him! Finally someone has the guts to say what they feel, and yes, threaten with vigilante intent. Amen for personal justice.
Safe and cool?
Ron will spend 25 yrs, imo, for playing it safe and cool.
Have to disagree with u on that statement, ronfan.
How would anyone know Ron had all those guns? He advertised it! He is proud of being a tough guy drug dealer! He Brought Misty into his life because he couldn’t stay away from young girls! If indeed Joe did it, would he have been there if Ron wasn’t hooked up with Misty? Would Ron have known Joe and told him about the weapons he had? I don’t think so. Ron brought all this on himself, I have no pity for him!
Hi CathyJo, Tobias & jaba!
Karri said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
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IMO, Levi Page and “facts” are strangers. And you cannot even TRY to point out a fact to him. Especially on his facebook page. He will verbally berate you, and/or block you if you do not turn to his way of thinking. Some day he may get himself sued. (IMO)
Again, IMO, there are a lot of FACTS that have still not come to light. They will. And people will be surprised.
jaba- I think you’re right that Ron may just get 25 years if he plays it safe & cool! There may not be any trial for him to testify at unless LE comes up with or they have more evidence then they are sharing with us!
I keep adding 10+10+3 = 23 years min. How does he get 15?
Hey CathyJO, It is so great too see you! You just brought sunshine to my dreary day. Welcome Back!
More justice for Haleigh, and that is what this is all about.
I have never seen people’s constitutional rights so brazenly stripped from them as has been for these 3, Ron, Misty and Tommy.
It is clear to everyone that this is over the little girl Haleigh, but I don’t have a problem with it at all and I don’t guess anyone else does either.
However you have to have them in prison is just fine, thanks.
looking for Justice said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
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Concurrent vs. Consecutive sentences.
Lynny @ 4:10 You said, “It is clear to everyone that this is over the little girl Haleigh, but I don’t have a problem with it at all and I don’t guess anyone else does either.”
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I have a problem with it. It’s a travesty of justice to determine a sentence for one crime(s) based on ASSumptions about something else – especially when the “something else” hasn’t been proven. And I mean that to include Hope’s sentence if based on the fact that she had been arrested previously – but not convicted or even taken to trial. And I mean that for T if his sentence was based on LE’s accusation that he had not cooperated. Eff LE. Tough tooties. Do your job and get the guy for the right crime. Pathetic.
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Same with M and R. None of them deserve to go to jail based on allegations concerning Haleigh or anything other than the crimes they’ve been accused of and what’s relevant to that – like M’s age and her first offense(s) – and LE not arresting her the first, second or even fifth time they could have. I don’t even know if what T said about Haleigh is the truth so it’s not right to sentence him on that either.
Sentences based on the drug charges are appropriate. Anything else does an INjustice to everyone and most especially Haleigh.
We Do Not Know What Happened To Haleigh or Who Did It.
At this rate we never will.
Thanks J. I just figured they would add all the min. charges and give him that. He sure got a huge break! I still feel they all should get more than Hope Sykes, especially Ron and Donna.
And for those who are blaming R for being with M, maybe you should join a blog about Kryon Horman and flay his father for marrying a very strange and controlling woman and bringing a step-mom into Kyron’s life who may have harmed him and then go on from there to villify every other father who was with the “wrong” woman who MAY have harmed their child.
To me it’s perfectly understandable that M would behave well for AS and TN and try to impress R by taking good care of the children – as far as anyone knew. Why shouldn’t AS and TN think well of her?
They already knew the children’s bio-mom was a druggie so what’s the diff with M? But I know some people will blame R and AS and TN even if ALL possible blame was unquestionably ruled out except for how he tied his shoes. He’d be hated for that, I’m sure, and people would drool and spittle with glee to see him locked up for that.
Sorry, I gotta get some fresh air.
Looking for Justice- if they give him concurrent minimum then he will only get 10 years!
looking for Justice said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Thanks J. I just figured they would add all the min. charges and give him that. He sure got a huge break! I still feel they all should get more than Hope Sykes, especially Ron and Donna.
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Hopefully she will get her appeal, her sentence is beyond ridiculous
I think Hope deserves an appeal, especially if Misty comes out of this mess only getting 6.
Alex, I just saw your post! That is a pure shame if that happens!
CathyJo63 said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
IMO Ron is about to be slapped with the truth?
He will get the max!
Just not on drug charges?
Tim Miller slso said he had the assault rifle?
Thats why he’s been lying about it imo!
also isn’t it illegal to have an assault rifle,he couldn’t register it??
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nope, assaults rifles are not illegal and do not need to be registered.
.m2c–AMEN to your 4:24 post.
Hey alex!
I can’t believe they gave Ron a deal for a possibility of a testimoney ??? there must be more to this, or they feel pretty secure that they are going to charge either Tommy or Misty,
Hey Jaba!, Hey CathyJo!
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100820/ARTICLES/100829948/1002
The Gainesville Sun Gainesville, FL
8-20-10 7:40 p.m. EDT
“In 18-month-old missing girl case, time in jail for key figures could lead to break”
Hey chak!
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If they give ron a break for testimony against an eventual perp on Halieighs taker and ron was NOT involved, then I’d be ok with cutting him some slack. He lost his daughter. I guess it would depend on the total context of what I do NOT know that le has or think they can prove.
Imo
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24705313/index.html
News4Jax Jacksonville, FL
8-20-10
Video: “Haleigh’s Dad Pleads to Drug Charges”
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24700021/detail.html
News4Jax Jacksonville, FL
8-20-10 Updated: 6:45 p.m. EDT
“Haleigh’s Dad Pleads to Drug Charges”
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Hello all, I gotta weigh in with my thoughts…i do not want to be one of those people who wont see the nose on thier face because they WANT to believe in their theory. Having said that I cant figure what to make of Ron being the only pone to get this “deal”. First of all, it may not be much of a “deal” at all as if he gets the max sentence it could be pretty doggone long. As for his being a potential witness…did they REALLY say anything here? I mean isnt that a no-brainer? I think it could be that this IS a tactic to piss Misty off and get her to squeal like a lil’ piglet. (She IS mad BTW, she told the judge to call her Croslin not Cummings. So, given these possibilities and adding to that my gut instinct on Ron, I just don’t think this says anything in terms of his innocence in regard to Haleigh. Someone said earlier something that resonated with me for a moment, and I almost had to completely rule Ron out … and that was that though Misty might have a reason to protect Ron (at least until recently she was madly in love with him in a hero worship kinda way only a young girl with an “older” guy can be) but Tommy does NOT have a reason to protect Ron, and in fact they dont like each other much. Agreed, and this gave me pause. However, i honestly believe it is entirely possible that Ron is seriously no one to F*** with and it could be that Tommy DOES have a motivation to “protect” Ron. Fear. Self preservation. The desire to continue breathing. I just can’t “clear” Ron. I dont trust him. Misty looks like a puppet with Ron’s hand up the back of her shirt when she is next to him. He controls and intimidates her. His cries were fake. He looks stoned to the max in several interviews and in the druf sting tapes. The 911 call was fake and staged…(read a website last night analyzing speech patterns, cant remember, sure many of you know the one i’m talking about. Ron stinks to high heaven, period. I am anxious to see what sentence he actually receives. Does the law really see him as cooperate, believe him 100% and want to have the leeway to give him a lighter sentence, or are they trying to piss off Ms. Croslin. We shall see. *Sigh* my two cents and all jmvho of course
mrsm.I have to agree with your post. After listening to the male lawyer on JVM tonight explain that this could be a tactic by LE making him think he is in the clear made me feel better about today. I am not sure what a proffer is though. KP mentioned this. It did not shock me at all that there is a problem with Rons work hours or the fact he has left before and possibly that night. I was shocked to hear that the children a couple of times was sleeping in his vehicle due to the fact Misty has left before. Where were the grandmothers? Why couldn’t the children stay with one of them while he was at work? More and more is coming out now. jmo
wow, i did not watch JVM, and it sounds like i missed ALOT! Problem with his work hours? Left before? wow!
mrsm said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
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If any of the Croslins were really afraid of Ron do you think they would have went to his Grandmothers and started a fight with Ron? That does not show any fear at all in my book. The only thing they did fear in regards to Ron is they know what Ron will do if he finds out any of them had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.
Ron will testify if any of them are charged, which I think we will see a murder indictment come down on TC before long. Ron will testify about his timeline, calling TC to see if Misty was there, how TC changed after Haleigh went missing, TC selling the red truck, etc. He will also testify about things that Misty may have told him, such as she suspects TC, etc.
Ron is not the only one that got a deal. Donna got a deal as well, having her charges lowered to a charge that carries a min/man of 15 years instead of the charge she was facing which carried a min/man of 25 years.
Out of all of those arrested in this drug sting, Ron is the only one who has manned up and changed his plea to guilty.
I still am not sold on this story. I am sold that Misty definitely knows what happened to Haleigh! I am more angry at her now because of her speaking so ill of Haleigh in the drug tapes. It was a cold hearted statement against a little girl that she knew that was deceased and had complete disregard! Mistys statement ” Haleigh F**ked up MY 17th birthday party”! How she cried crocodile tears and said “I loved that little girl like she was my own” those tears were not for Haleigh they were for herself! Hank Sr. and Lisa Croslin are right so far that their children did not harm Haleigh, but they did nothing to save her either!
If Ron left the children in the car while working how did he keep them calm? A small child doesn’t stay put for long. Did he sedate them? Where were the grandmothers? I’d freak out if I found out that happened to one of mine. I would call children services even if it involved my own child.
i think scuffling with Ron over a petty debt/drugs (which is what i believe happened the night TC went to Ron’s GMA’s house starting trouble) is a whole different ballpark than implicating him in Haleighs dissapearance. Fighting him is one thing, snitching him out for something this big could proove much more hazardous to TC’s health than fisticuffs over some money/drugs. JMO
WhyLie what is a proffer? KP mentioned it tonight on NG.
I have to be honest I think when the Croslins went to the grandmothers house they were not expecting a brawl. They were going to pick up Misty because she called and told them she did not want to be there anymore.
Apparently, Tommy got his butt kicked which was evident from the police report. Lisa Croslin stated that she had never seen Ron like he was that night. jmo
judithian, there is that idea of sedating that keeps popping up in one form or another. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one…
Judithan and mrsm I have to agree with you both.
Do either of you know what a proffer is? I hope I am spelling it right.
I meant Kp mentioned it on JVM,not Nancy grace.
LFJ, it doesnt surprise me one bit that Lisa would say she had never seen Ron like he was that night…so common for those not up close to think abusers are nice guys, and then for one reason or another, they get a glimpse of the dark side and are shocked. JMO
LFJ, i have no idea about proffer. Where did this info on JVM come from, like the stuff about Ron’s leaving work etc.?
KP, said it on JVM. My mom said that on NG that NG said she thinks all four are guilty. I have to watch it at 10pm to hear it for myself. I got interrupted with phone calls. I will let you know if NG said that, because that will shock the heck out me.
mrsm said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
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I do not think it’s a big deal that Misty wants to be called Croslin. That’s her legal name. It was changed in the divorce back to Croslin. The only reason her name was recorded as Cummings when arrested is because it says Cummings on her driver’s license. IIRC, in St. Johns, it was changed to Croslin, and Cummings was listed as an alias. I would want to be called my real name also. And if she is “angry” at Ronald, we pretty much already knew she was. We saw her acting like a pissed off teenage girl in one of the jail tapes. However, even when she acted like a “scorned lover”, she never implicated Ronald in anything to do with HaLeigh.
Insofar as Ronald leaving the children in the car while working, and a security guard seeing them there (per Picazio on JVM), I have to say what carp. If a security guard saw that, he’d call LE, and Ron would have been arrested and DCF would have become involved immediately. Since Ronald has no arrests involving the children, I just do NOT buy this story. Leaving kids in a car for an 8 hour shift? (Or however many hours?) When he goes into work at 4 or 5 pm? Nope. Not buying it. Sorry.
proffer is making some kind of a deal, negotiations. Umm, offering some kind of evidence, in a deal. Something like that. It has to do with making a deal though, the negotiations, and something being offered, some kind of evidence, during the negotiations.
The word proffer is derived from Anglo-French “por-”, forth, and offrir, to offer.[1] The act of proffering involves making an offer prior to any formal negotiations.
In the context of a trial, to proffer (sometimes profer) means to offer evidence in support of an argument, or elements of an affirmative defense or offense. A party with the burden of proof must proffer sufficient evidence to carry that burden.
For example, in support of a particular argument, a party may proffer documentary evidence or witnesses.
Where a party is denied the right to introduce evidence because that evidence would be inflammatory, hearsay, or would lack sufficient authentication, that party must make a proffer of what the evidence would have shown in order to preserve the issue for appeal. Also; as in business, a proffer can be a sign of “good faith” a first offer or proposal, to show a willingness to “barter”.
[see good faith barganing], [barter].
WhyLie does it have anything to do with immunity?
Thank you Judithan.
I have no doubt that LE knows Ron was at work, and that Misty and Tommy both know that LE knows Ron was at work, or they would have thrown him under the bus right along with JO, or instead of JO.
I do not buy that “scared” bs that Misty and TC have been tossing around. Neither of them have shown one iota of fear for the last 18 months, but now we are supposed go believe they were so scared. It’s BS in my book.
If Haleigh is gone, I believe TC did it, and Misty suspects it, although has no solid proof. I believe TC acted alone and JO had nothing at all to do with it.
I have to agree with you WhyLie on this story about Joe. They were not afraid of Joe. Misty was surrounded by LE what the heck was he going to do to her at that point or Tommy for that matter.
snipped from USLegal.com
Proffer agreements are not complete immunity agreements. Although the government cannot use actual proffer session statements against the individual in its case-in-chief, the information provided can be used to follow up leads and conduct further investigations. If those leads and further investigations lead to new evidence, the new evidence can be used to indict and convict the individual who gave the information in the proffer session.
With having the two largest charges dismissed for Ron.. That speaks volumes.. Apparently, Ron has had quite a bit to say.. Now, having gone through this procedure, and its a given he must have told them something that just tickled them pink.. And yes, there could be an immunity somewhere in the midst for Ron.. Immunity from prosecution for any involvement in Criminal activities he was involved with, along with the young croslins. And of course.. we all must remember there was an offer of Immunity in the Haleigh gone missing.
Eventually, when all is said and done, we will find out what all the fine print is, within this plea bargain of ron’s.. But, one question I have.. What really initiated Ron to start talking, after all of these months that he held his silence… Fear of going to trial, I don’t think so.. He had months to worry about that.. Something else prompted his immediate desire to talk..
Tommy is screwed by Werter. Werter could be called as a witness against Tommy and all of the lawyers are agreeing that Werter may have just helped the State make a case against Tommy for Haleighs murder. He has broken the attorney client priviledge.
Nancy said she thinks why all the stories do not match is that they all are involved. I wish she would clarify because the other night she said four instead of 3. “If she were the prosecutor on this case she would would put them all in a pot and stew”
After listening to Werter on JVM tonight, I’ve gotta say, I think the guy is a nutter. He definitely has done Tommy no favors by spewing all these theories.
I want to thank you Granny 23 and melee. That really saddens me that it would take a step of immunity by the father to get to the truth of his beautiful daughter.
melee now you have me wondering what it could be that prompted Ron to speak up. I just cannot believe he was selling drugs with Misty if he had this kind of knowledge.
Granny 23 you are 100% correct. Tommys version by Werter does not mention a black bag. When they keep re-addressing him on that issue he stammers.
Whaaaatttt??? Joe hightailed it out so fast there were probably sparks on the road. Yes, he did the dutiful good boy act and helped hang posters….but he had a great convenient excuse to leave asap, so thank god for that, I’m sure he figured that would give him time to get his head together.
We don’t actually see Joe’s record because it’s sealed due to the fact that he was a juvenile, but yes, I will definitely go on heresay on this one person, especially since day one Misty was hinting at his involvement. Go back to the interviews…really listen. No One ever came to his defense and said, Oh, no not Joe!! Instead, everytime he was mentioned, there was usually a response of yeah, he was here, he had a fight over a gun he wanted and tried to steal from Ron….How can any of these people just make that up in a split second, and furthermore, why?? BUT, the key is, no one ever directly implicated him. It was imo, almost a game of Misty and the Grandma hinting but not telling.
Then, Ronald vehemently and angrily denied it on TV….that’s his tell-tale sign he’s pissed off that info leaked out.
Someone on NG said it perfectly: We don’t know this family, we don’t and haven’t grown up with that guy (Joe) and don’t know how he acts, his temper, WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING???
WHAT IF JOE THREATENED TO HURT TOMMY’S KIDS THE SAME WAY HE DID WITH HALEIGH? Apparently he is not above that, if it is indeed true. Yep, jmo.
God, I wonder if anyone went back and tried to get her out…maybe she is still alive.
Cathy Jo: I take Ron’s conversation with Cobra totally the opposite; It sounds to me like Ron was saying he felt that he was afraid Tommy would get in trouble for having a gun on his premises, when it wasn’t even his.
Ron is a decent guy/ He has never tried to deny anything up front; Him not answering questions completely or in a vague way does not make him guilty or suspicous. Just smart.
Cobra kind of led that convo, and Ron knew it, he almost like blew him off way tooo much.
Answering a statement from another thread:
vaquera said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:20 am
I meant for the state in Haleigh’s case. Hard to be a witness for the state and a defendant too..
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Not at all, the wife/mother of the two men in Georgia that repeatedly raped and killed a little boy while she sat by and watched and did nothing to help was a witness for the state and a defendant at the same time.
Ronfan-Everyone pled in the drug cases, so Ron will have to testify in the case of his missing daughter and even if the Prosecutors don’t ask him about his guns & other drug dealings the defense attorneys surely will. Ron has a lot to hide. We don’t know that Ron was at work the whole time the only thing LE said is he went to work. We don’t even know what time Haleigh disappeared!
Knowing that all the defendants have pled in this case, what trial do you beleive LE is going to have him testify at?
Hey Ronfan, Werter was saying on JVM we do not know this guy and what he is like.
The fact is that Joe was already scheduled to leave that day. A girl named Jennifer brought him to Satsuma and picked him back up on her way back to Tenn. Joe could of been a good boy scout that day in hanging posters for Haleigh. We have seen before that the actual perp will go out with a search party and look for the victim they have murdered as we saw in the Shelby Cox case. I am not saying that this happened in Haleighs case,but possible.
It is being reported that Misty said if she would of had her gun, she normally had under her pillow, she would of shot Joe. Well, the minute he left why did she not call 911? Who staged that mh with a cinder block after they were gone, Misty? Tommy said he held the door for Joe to carry out Haleigh. It could of been the front door now for all we know. Tommy and Mistys stories still are not jiving as much as Werter is trying to make us believe.
looking for Justice said, in August 20th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
KP, said it on JVM. My mom said that on NG that NG said she thinks all four are guilty. I have to watch it at 10pm to hear it for myself. I got interrupted with phone calls. I will let you know if NG said that, because that will shock the heck out me.
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that wasn’t tonight. She did that last night or night before and quickly changed it to 3.
Ronald is going to give the information, then walk free.
This case must be rock solid before there are any arrests….Ronald will be the key in this; It will be extremely hard to find unbiased potential jury members…
The prosecution is offering Ronald that plea deal for that precise reason.
I wonder if in the state of Florida the Judge can use his power of discretion and overule the minimum sentences and show Ronald mercy.
This is what is going to happen.
Yes, Vaq. I watched that show. Tonight Nancy made a statement that the reason all of their stories are inconsistent is because they all are guilty. I stated in prior post I wish she would clarify that statement better. We have not heard anything from Joe Overstreet on Haleighs case. We have only heard the stories from R,M and T. I have noticed that Nancy grace is not defending Ronald like she was before. You could not even mention his name in a negative way or you would get blessed out.jmo
Vaquera- it was yesterday- I wondered why she so quickly corrected herself!
Ronfan what kind of info do you think Ron is going to give in order to walk free or should I say strut free?
No ronfan, the Judge can not overrule the minimum sentencing in drug charges, that is why they are called mandatory.
If Ron has known for 18 months that Haleigh is dead what mercy has he shown Crystal? He should be shown mercy, I think not.
Hey Alex, It makes you wonder who she thought the fourth person may be or even if was a mistake at all.jmo
If Ron is the key, why has LE been saying that Misty is the Key! Ron & Donna deserve the stiffest sentences!
LS ITA!
I said that earlier that Ron and Donna deserve the stiffest sentences. I hope gets an appeal. Yes, she was arrogant ,unremorseful and totally biligerent, but she is nothing compared to the rest and what they have done.jmo
HI Looking, I think she was thinking three in Putnam County & then Joe! I’m wondering who she is eliminating because today she says she doesn’t believe Misty!
Meant I hope Hopegets an appeal.
I think she was insinuating Ron as well.I think tonight when NG said she did not believe Misty is because NG thinks Misty murdered Haleigh; not Joe.
Alex you have to remember we have not heard Joes accountability of that night.
Misty and Tommy will be charged as accessories to the crime and after the fact because they were responsible for Haleigh at the time, (as they will be admitting to being present at the time of the crime.)
This is what Ronald will provide.
I got the impression she didn’t think Joe did it, so that’s who I thought she was eliminating. She rarely mentions Ron anymore so I wonder if she feels he knew all along what happened!
Tommy has never been responsible for Haleigh! She’s not his daughter. Ron is the responsible one right down to who he left his daughter with, knowing she just came off a drug binge!What a great caring & concerned dad! Then he leaves JR somewhere to go sell drugs with Misty more then one time. hmm, father of the year material, I think not!
Ronfan, How does Ronald know this info first hand? Misty and Tommy have pretty told on themselves. What can Ronald add?
I agree Alex. I am starting think that NG got tired of arguing with that angel.
Ronfan, is he going to say Misty told me this and that? If so he knew after the fact of what happened to his daughter and as you can see she is still walking, talking, breathing and selling drugs with him. Where was his rage? Where was his loyalty to his daughter if that is what he might say. That does not make Ron a good guy at all.jmo
The more I hear from these people the less I believe. I have a hard time believing any of the so called info that comes from these players and their attorneys. Just because they’ve been in jail long enough to dry out doesn’t mean that any of them is going to come clean for Haleigh. They all will keep trying to cover their butts at the expense of this child. Why would Ron need to make a deal to give evidence for his missing daughter? Most parents would be in a panic and camped outside the LE trying to help find their child. The so called cable shows are just an insult to the public. The only service they offer is to keep the childs name to the public audience and ratings. Sorry if my post seems disgusted but it’s time for Haleigh to have JUSTICE. I don’t care anymore if they have drug problems! I don’t care if they go to prison for years. Where is this child.
You know you are right! WHERE IS HALEIGH? I do not know if we will ever find this out, but I am praying that we will. JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!!!!
LadySadie said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
If Ron has known for 18 months that Haleigh is dead what mercy has he shown Crystal? He should be shown mercy, I think not.
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Exactly, I totally agree!!
I asked on the other thread before I got caught up here, how many still believe that CS’s family had HaLeigh… I guess I should have asked, How many here still blame Crystal for HaLeigh’s fate!! I see punches are still being hurled at CS!!
chakra7 said,in August 20th, 2010 at 7:12 pm I can’t believe they gave Ron a deal for a possibility of a testimoney ??? there must be more to this, or they feel pretty secure that they are going to charge either Tommy or Misty,
Hey Jaba!, Hey CathyJo!
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Hi Chakra,good to see you!!
I dunno what ron could testify too because afterall, he was at werk?
Thanks Looking,And you sure made my day sunny as well!! LoL
ronfan said,in August 20th, 2010 at 9:50 pm Cathy Jo: I take Ron’s conversation with Cobra totally the opposite; It sounds to me like Ron was saying he felt that he was afraid Tommy would get in trouble for having a gun on his premises, when it wasn’t even his.
Ron is a decent guy/ He has never tried to deny anything up front; Him not answering questions completely or in a vague way does not make him guilty or suspicous. Just smart.
Cobra kind of led that convo, and Ron knew it, he almost like blew him off way tooo much.
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No,it sure doesn’t make him guilty of murder?
It makes him guilty of knowing the truth and keeping quiet? If he can testify against the others,then what does he know now that he didn’t know when Haleigh went missing? but refused to tell the truth to find Haleigh???
Hey Bac and CathyJo!! Good too see both of you.
We were talking about NG earlier and I thought to myself wish BAC was here to do a NG impression of NG apologizing to the angel she was arguing over with about Ronald.LOL!!
LE said that it took Tommy being faced with a stiff prison sentence to speak up about Haleigh. Why wouldn’t the same apply to Ron?
Hey LFJ,
Good to see you too! Today was a very crazy day, wasn’t it?
Not to mention Looking,he put jr in jeapordy after Haleigh went missing?
CathyJO did you get my message about the JVM show?
Hiya Adams!
Looking,Adams is the only one who could do that impersonation So well? LoL
NO No CathyJo…. you mean CS put Jr in danger by showcasing him on the Geraldo Show!!
Just thought I’d get that in, before anyone else did the Tit/Tat thing!!
you are so right CathyJo!
Bac it has been a crazy day. I was angry at first! Then I stopped took a deep breath and realized it not over yet. There is more and more coming out now. I think we are getting a little closer or at least that is what I am praying for. It made me so angry to see Ron smile when he changed his plea to guilty to 3 counts instead of 5.
LOL! BAC
Yes I did Looking,Thanks!!!
Treece sent me the livestream??
That was the best debate I’ve heard since day one….LoL Tempers flared,I thought….Oh boy…..now we are gonna see a brawl!!!!!! LoL
Even the attorney’s…….about time too? Atleast it looks like somebody Is taking some action,LoL
Amen,I have had it with that ego! LoL
Then I got even angrier when I saw the clip of TN say if this is true that Misty should be hung!! I totally lost it. Where is the she is the best girl Ron ever had. They all knew Misty did drugs just like her son! Misty was a child (16) when Ron started bedding her down. I believe Misty definitely deservesto be punished, but it was her son that put his children in that enviroment.
Wonder if all the bloggers that have for 18 months been trying to pin Haleigh’s disappearance on Crystal will ever issue her an apology?
Croslin Says He Saw Haleigh Cummings Taken In Bag
POSTED: 12:17 pm EDT August 20, 2010
UPDATED: 11:37 pm EDT August 20, 2010
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — An attorney said his client saw 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings taken from her home in a bag.
Since Haleigh disappeared, investigators have been prying Misty Croslin for information about what happened that night.
As recently as March, she told her mother while in jail that she didn’t know anything. Now, according to her attorney, she has changed her story.
Attorney James Werter said Hank Croslin Jr. and his cousin, Joe Overstreet, drove the girl to a Putnam County boat ramp, where she was dumped into the St. Johns River.
Werter said Croslin and Overstreet went to the Satsuma mobile home where Haleigh was being watched by Croslin’s sister.
He said Overstreet went to the home looking for a hunting rifle.
“The gun wasn’t there, Joe Overstreet lost his temper and took or did something to Haleigh that evening,” Werter said.
He said Croslin described the girl as limp and quiet as the men drove to the dock.
Werter said there are similar stories coming from both Misty and Hank Croslin Jr. in jail.
“The two of these people have not been in contact with each other while in jail, so it was not like they are collaborating on stories,” Werter said.
(Hunting rifle.. just like I’ve been saying for months. It was a hunting rifle not a damn machine gun)
LoL Adams,I stand corrected,LoL
http://www.wesh.com/r/24701339/detail.html
LadySadie said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Wonder if all the bloggers that have for 18 months been trying to pin Haleigh’s disappearance on Crystal will ever issue her an apology?
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I doubt it! She is still to blame because she lost custody of her children…. in their eyes!
Looking honeyyyyy,They don’t need Misty now? are you serious?? She can’t babysit from jail.whats matter with you,LoL
Haleighs gone and so is Jr?? who would the sitter watch? lol
I felt so bad for Crystal in that interview. You could see her pain. You can see she wants her baby back and loves Haleigh very much.
Exactly Looking,ITA!
He was the best parent I thought?
LOL!! CathyJo. I do not know what the hay I was thinking! LOL!!
That is what we heard anyways! Boy! the proof was in that pudding.LOL!!
It is sad… and a shame!
ITA! BAC
I’ve never, ever seen anyone say Crystal took Haleigh in all the boards I’ve read or posted at. That would take planning and gumption to do. Even her momma said she hoped starting HBC would get Crystal off the couch.
One of my theories is still Tommy handed her off to Johnny Sheffield.
You know Werter said this all happened at 12:00 am. Joe would have had to leave Chelsea and Timmys about 11:30pm.He went to go pick up Tommy and then go dump Haleigh. Chelsea was still awake. She said she was up until 12 or 12:30 am she would have known if Joe left in Tommys van they were using.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in August 20th, 2010 at 11:32 pm LadySadie said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Wonder if all the bloggers that have for 18 months been trying to pin Haleigh’s disappearance on Crystal will ever issue her an apology?
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I doubt it! She is still to blame because she lost custody of her children…. in their eyes!
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And she never paid a dime in cs either but got it paid because Haleigh went missing? WTH is wrong with that picture??? She didn’t provide for HaLeigh anyway???
Why would Tommy go to prison for Johnny Sheffield?
Tommy would speak up if he handed Haleigh off to Johnny Sheffield. He would not have placed himself at a murder scene instead of a kidnapping.
Right Looking,It is sad that she lost Haleigh twice? My heart goes out to anybody in that position but I never understood how she immediately stuck her hand out knowing she didn’t have to raise the kids? She never paid a dime IIRC? So I guuess thats what gets to me?
And I know it’s not being talked about here but they do read here and Crystal Cummmings wears those wigs because of a medical condition. Not everyone has the money to buy the expensive ones that you can’t tell are wigs..
Now back to our regular scheduled posting
Because he would be afraid of Johnny, have you seen the assault charges he’s had? Hell Johnny had his own MIL jailed for making terroristic threats after a fight they got into.
Ya know,If Ron didn’t have custody and owed cs support and Haleigh disappeared,they’d have made a motive of that fact alone???
That is news to me. I never noticed Crystal Cummings had a wig on. I thought was her regular hair and she had her styled those different ways.
So vaq, if they read here, have them ask Ron why he let everyone suffer for 18 months when all the time he knew his daughter had been murdered?
I still stand by opinion!!! They shouldn’t let her walk around like that!
LFJ, this one looks to me to be a lace front wig, and in the hood they are very inexpensive.
vaquera said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Because he would be afraid of Johnny, have you seen the assault charges he’s had? Hell Johnny had his own MIL jailed for making terroristic threats after a fight they got into.
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Well Tommy is already in prison for a very long time, why would he place himself at a murder scene now instead of saying he handed a live Haleigh to Johnny now? That theory doesn’t hold water now.
There is a reason Vaq they are claiming Haleigh is deceased and Joe did it. I still think Joe is the scapegoat, but I believe it when they say Haleigh cannot come back. I wish you were right. It would of been a much nicer ending to this horrific sad story of a beautiful little girl that is gone too soon. Tragic!
Does anyone think here that if Ron knew what happened to Haleigh for the past 18 months that TN knew also? If this is the case they deserve an emmy for the Maury Povich Show.
IMO TN always knew and so did AS after the fact maybe…jmo though??
Thats why they protected Misty?? and wanted him to marry her?
They protected Ron and never once did what was right by Haleigh? TN stood there and said,She wanted Misty to be her mommy,and now she is hanging her,phewww………ugggh
As the stomach turns!
Yes, lfj, I believe that TN has known all along what happened to Haleigh.
I do not think for one minute that Haleigh wanted Misty to be her mommy! I felt like that was a slap in Crystals face. Crystal has her faults just as Ron has his, but that is low!
Ya know,it’s really odd that she sang Mistys praises then but now she says she’s a liar??
I don’t remember her saying that when Misty was standing beside her in interviews?? The Jo story was out then too??
I have a feeling she may have known to, but that is my opinion. I still think they knew before the 911 call was made about Haleigh.
Very low,I am a gramma and I’d never say that??
IMO they told ron to marry her b/c of the age thing?? Protect ron first,reminds me of SINdy!
LadySadie said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
vaquera said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Because he would be afraid of Johnny, have you seen the assault charges he’s had? Hell Johnny had his own MIL jailed for making terroristic threats after a fight they got into.
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Well Tommy is already in prison for a very long time, why would he place himself at a murder scene now instead of saying he handed a live Haleigh to Johnny now? That theory doesn’t hold water now
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Even with brothers working for DOC?
Yes I remember that interview with TN saying She did not know him, but it is not labled on their forehead that they are a child predator.(paraphrasing).
Not to mention Looking,Victimized Haleigh again?? Haleigh couldn’t even defend that statement??
Opinions change as facts and times goes by.I fought tooth and nail and defended Misty a long time when everyone else said she was a liar and she had something to do with Haleigh being gone. Things changed and so did my thinking of Misty.
Does one of Johnnys brothers work for Franklin Correctional institute? If the Ryan Cummings that is in there is Rons family member do you think he could be afraid of him?
Looking,Just like ron said he had never met Jo till then?? yet he said another time they were at the river when lake placid was fixxin to go on?
No, they don’t work for that one.
Guess I will go and see who this Ryan Cummings is because you have me curious now. LOL
Let’s see would Tommy be more afraid of being in prison labeled as a child murderer and maybe molester or of some of Johnny Sheffield’s kin that work for DOC but more than likely not at any prison that Tommy would be sent to. I would think that if Tommy had handed a LIVE Haleigh off to Johnny and came clean with LE then the State Attorneys would make sure that he would not be placed in any prison that Johnny’s kin worked in.
I have always said that Misty knew something about Haleighs disappearance. Misty was used by Ronald. She was a young girl in love.
Misty told too many inconsistencies for a family member to ignore in my opinion. Yet, they came out and defended her story time and time again.
That man could pass for ron’s twin or dad Looking? I about died when I saw it?
True so true LS
They do have alot of similarities CathyJo. I agree.
Yes Looking,he’s in the same prison,his name is ryan cummings,vehicular homicide? IIRC he gets out 2024??
Looking,ITA!!!!! Misty was smitten,LoL
I wonder if they sent Tommy to that prison on purpose? Perhaps after he met up with this Ryan Cummings he might be more willing to offer up some evidence that will stick.
Identical ears looking,like pinned on top and right into their head??
exact opposite of Tommy’s ears! lol
I heard a David Cummings iirc just got arrested a few days ago. Did you all hear about this. He is from Welaka.
I’d say if Tommy runs into him and he will?? Tommy’d almost say,Ron’s here??
LOL!!! CathyJo. Couldn’t resist? LOL!
If we ever had a pic of ron looking forward,and w/o his smirk….then he’d be his twin?
Yeah! He will probably crap his pants.
Well my friend, it is time for me to go to bed. My eyes are ready too close. It is so great too have you back! Noone makes me laugh the way you do. BAC and JB run a close second though. You have sweet dreams and I will chat with you tomorrow.
Iam off too……..gnite Looking,everybody too!
He’s from Orange County and none of the family we looked into lived there, so I doubt he’s kin. There’s lots of Cummings, Sheffields, Johns that live in that part of FL that are not kin to the people involved with this case. Ryan is in his 40′s and I know he’s not a brother so if he is some kin it would be some kind of cousin to Lester..but I doubt it.
Well I am hitting the hay, so everyone have a great rest of the night…or morning LOL
Hi, Vaquera!
Have you had a chance to listen to the Victim Impact Statement for Emma Thompson (video) yet?
Hope to see you on Live Chat this Sunday!
Thought I’d chime in on this Cummings in Franklin C.I.. He is not related. The Cummings family that we “know” are not the only Cummings in FL. Just run a search on the myflorida website.
I found this and thought it might be useful,Most of ya may have known but I sure hadn’t really thought of it!!
Food for thought:
So, what IS the difference?
(excerpts from American Journalism Review)
…Many law enforcement officials now use the vague term “person of interest” to describe people caught up in their investigations. That poses a challenge for journalists, who must try to convey a situation accurately without unfairly tarring someone’s reputation.
Once heard primarily in connection with federal cases involving terrorism and national security, many local police departments now use “person of interest” routinely in investigations ranging from murders to brush fires.
…Officially, “person of interest” means..well, nothing. No one has ever formally defined it — not police, not prosecutors, not journalists. The terms “accused,” “allege,” “arrest” and “indict” all are dealt with in the Associated Press Stylebook, but there is no listing for “person of interest.” Similarly, the U.S. Attorneys’ Manual — the official guide to federal criminal prosecution — uses the terms “suspect,” “subject,” “target” and “material witness,” but “person of interest” gets no mention. So what are reporters to do?
Jim Kouri, a spokesman for the National Association of Chiefs of Police, says “person of interest” often is a euphemism for “suspect.” If it’s a suspect and you say ‘person of interest,’ you’re using the euphemism to avoid problems down the line,” says Kouri, a former New York housing police officer.
What problems?
Police sometimes “try to maintain that the person really isn’t a suspect” in order to get him to agree to questioning without Miranda warnings, Kouri says. “You don’t want the guy to lawyer up.” Kouri says across the country, “it’s the legal counsel telling police chiefs that they should instruct their officers and train them to use that term.”
m2c, just catching up, yeah, it’s 5am!!! cheers to you for your posts! Ok, so I’m wondering, I’ve been gone for a bit, but it really sounds like you are sticking up for my boy here…guess it’s not appropriate to say that, but honestly, it’s good to see someone post something totally unbiased.
How about anyone here thinking the obvious: Ron is quiet cuz he is being told to be quiet…Ron is doing what he is being instructed to do, so justice is finally served for his daughter.
All along I have said, he has been playing a part like an actor in a movie.
**Did anyone realize the relevance of his statement right before the actual take down: He inferred that he might just have enough money in 2 weeks to buy them for “himself” and “eat them”….uhhhhh, for the naive out there, he is so obviously stating for the camera hey, I’m not implicating myself or saying that I will distribute drugs….in the long run, that, my friends, will SAVE HIM ABOUT 20 YEARS!!!!!!!!
CathyJo: I know u are fully aware that if LE tells someone to shut their mouth, then for the sake of the outcome of the case, they will do it..let the snake lie in the grass and watch it, why can’t you see this motive: jmo, but honestly, why is Ron the last one to be sentenced, and most importantly, don’t u understand y he is pleading GUILTY???? That way, as I understand it, the Judge can have discretion over his sentence, and HOPEFULLY GOD WILLING, it will include THE TIME HE IS SERVING PRESENTLY!!!!!!
My baby is gonna walk free!!!
How about this: What if Joe was at the house earlier with everyone else, (when they were all sitting around smoking) and he went and unlocked the back door….then waited….then propped the back door open quietly, took Haleigh in a BLACK GARBAGE BAG **remember Junior saying a man dressed all in black took my sissy** then came back, woke Misty up, said don’t move or I’ll take Junior too. Then told Misty to call Tommy….so he would have an accomplice….Misty stated several times, she saw Tommy standing in the doorway…Tommy purposely didn’t walk into the house, maybe so he wouldn’t leave prints…***Does anyone recall the detail of the “lost” fact of Misty calling Timmy right before Ron got home? Funny, how that fell off the face of the earth, huh?((just like everything else LE tries to cover up AFTER it gets out!!))
Why would Tommy feel so threatened as to not call 911 after what he had seen? What if Joe told Tommy he would come back and get his kids too?
What in the heck is Timmy’s involvement? Misty called him one time right before Ron got home.
Probably for help???? Uhhh, Yep??? Why don’t we hear PCSO talking about that? It was only mentioned 1 time, and that was during the interrogation of Chelsea and Timmy after the HALEIGH SIGHTING IN MA.?!
omg, AND can someone tell us where the freaking Van is??????
Hair samples????
Dirt????
Tire tracks??
Tire tracks with the same mud composition as the mud around the dock area in question?
Is this a test, or a joke???
How about this: What if Joe was at the house earlier with everyone else, (when they were all sitting around smoking) and he went and unlocked the back door….then waited….then propped the back door open quietly, took Haleigh in a BLACK GARBAGE BAG **remember Junior saying a man dressed all in black took my sissy** then came back, woke Misty up, said don’t move or I’ll take Junior too. Then told Misty to call Tommy….so he would have an accomplice….Misty stated several times, she saw Tommy standing in the doorway…Tommy purposely didn’t walk into the house, maybe so he wouldn’t leave prints…***Does anyone recall the detail of the “lost” fact of Misty calling Timmy right before Ron got home? Funny, how that fell off the face of the earth, huh?((just like everything else LE tries to cover up AFTER it gets out!!))
Why would Tommy feel so threatened as to not call 911 after what he had seen? What if Joe told Tommy he would come back and get his kids too?
What in the heck is Timmy’s involvement? Misty called him one time right before Ron got home.
Probably for help???? Uhhh, Yep??? Why don’t we hear PCSO talking about that? It was only mentioned 1 time, and that was during the interrogation of Chelsea and Timmy after the HALEIGH SIGHTING IN MA.?!
omg, AND can someone tell us where the freaking Van is??????
Hair samples????
Dirt????
Tire tracks??
Tire tracks with the same mud composition as the mud around the dock area in question?
Is this a test, or a joke???
Alexandria Loring: I’m sorry, I have been jumping on and off the blog all night; I see where ur going, but I can’t figure this has any bearing factually.
I really don’t think any LE or Officer of the Court would allow or condone any of this plea bargaining or deal making, unless it were for a specific reason. (atleast I hope so)
Ronald has been kept totally under wraps….quiet, no sign of him…think of that, and then ask why.
The only reason ANY of the gun information will be pertinent is because the attys/Judge deem it permissable as part of the case, and that would MOST LIKELY pertain to Cousin Joe…NOT RON.
The last thing the tax payers would want to pay money for would be “who owned the gun, and was it licensed or registered?” Ronald could say he stole it from wild pigs, and it still won’t matter…it’s the m.o. of ole cousin Joe that Ronald will be talking about!!
One other point I feel strongly about: Hypothetically speaking, if our children were abused at the hands of a daycare/sitter who is proven legally to be a prudent and law abiding care giver, would we be guilty of endangering our own child? How would we have been aware, or have known….if it never happened before???
Imagine yourself being accused of “why did u leave ur child with that person?”
Hindsight is a b**ch.
All I can say is this: BAD BOYS BAD BOYS WHAT U GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR U, HA HA!!!
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE JOE. THIS AINT NO JUVIE.
ronfan said,in August 21st, 2010 at 4:15 am CathyJo: I know u are fully aware that if LE tells someone to shut their mouth, then for the sake of the outcome of the case, they will do it..let the snake lie in the grass and watch it, why can’t you see this motive: jmo, but honestly, why is Ron the last one to be sentenced, and most importantly, don’t u understand y he is pleading GUILTY???? That way, as I understand it, the Judge can have discretion over his sentence, and HOPEFULLY GOD WILLING, it will include THE TIME HE IS SERVING PRESENTLY!!!!!!
My baby is gonna walk free!!!
Ron is not getting sentenced last, Misty is.
Ron’s date is Sept. 24. Misty’s is Oct.4.
Ron will not walk free, his charges carry a minimum mandatory sentence, 2 are for 15 yrs., 1 is for 3 yrs. They all carry maximum sentences up to 30 yrs. This was stated at Ron’s hearing on Friday.
With the man. min. there is no way he will walk with time served! Dream on! He’s looking at 15-30. Looks like you will have to write/visit your baby in prison for the next few years.
LFJ, CJ, and BAC: ok, get off the opinion wagon and leave Ron alone….SMILE????
Do u think that is a smile??? Search your conscious.
Sorry, but I’m just not understanding how people can form ugly opinions about someone who has NOT EVER had any reason to deserve that.
I have stated my personal opinions about J.S. because of the facts (or so called facts) and I am guilty of that, but fcs, look at the man’s record, PLUS, he admits he had to run to Kentucky just to get away from LE! Ok, and he was a former LE agent, then self admitted involved with the uhhhh, (I won’t say) hell, the Man’s got a lot of pull and he holds some weight. I wish to God he really does have Haleigh in some screwed up turn of events.
Also:
Ok, let’s go back to square 1: Haleigh sightings. Tn, then Mass, then KY…..Ok, what single factor do all these states and Haleigh sightings have in common?
***Hmmmmm, my guess is it is NOT a coincidence that they ARE ALL HER RELATIVES?????***
Also:
Who knows what Joe threw in the water????
Scare Tactics????
Why a Haleigh sighting 1 week later in Joe’s own hometown? With the same Rav 4 maroon suv?
Yeah, guess it’s just a coincidence.
Yeah, guess it’s just a coincidence that LE (aka J.Greenwood) states they DID search “the vehicle” but (and here’s my all time favorite) AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NO STATEMENTS TO RELEASE!!!
Wake up ya’ll, that’s a tell tale sign of 100% evidence and discovery.
Where is the red rav 4? Where is the Van?
Put some Folger’s in ur cup.
Sorry, but I’m just not understanding how people can form ugly opinions about someone who has NOT EVER had any reason to deserve that.
I have stated my personal opinions about J.S. because of the facts (or so called facts) and I am guilty of that, but fcs, look at the man’s record, PLUS, he admits he had to run to Kentucky just to get away from LE! Ok, and he was a former LE agent, then self admitted involved with the uhhhh, (I won’t say) hell, the Man’s got a lot of pull and he holds some weight. I wish to God he really does have Haleigh in some screwed up turn of events.
Also:
Ok, let’s go back to square 1: Haleigh sightings. Tn, then Mass, then KY…..Ok, what single factor do all these states and Haleigh sightings have in common?
***Hmmmmm, my guess is it is NOT a coincidence that they ARE ALL HER RELATIVES?????***
Also:
Who knows what Joe threw in the water????
Scare Tactics????
Why a Haleigh sighting 1 week later in Joe’s own hometown? With the same Rav 4 maroon suv?
Yeah, guess it’s just a coincidence.
Yeah, guess it’s just a coincidence that LE (aka J.Greenwood) states they DID search “the vehicle” but (and here’s my all time favorite) AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NO STATEMENTS TO RELEASE!!!
Wake up ya’ll, that’s a tell tale sign of 100% evidence and discovery.
Where is the red rav 4? Where is the Van?
Put some Folger’s in ur cup.
Some reporter you are TJ.
Part of this information is wrong.
One of the cases carries a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison, with a 10-year max.
The other two have minimums of 10 years each with maximums of 30.
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The case with the 3 yr. min has a max. penalty of 30 yrs. not 10!
The other 2 cases have 15 yr. min. sentences, not 10!
Shoemaker states this information in the video of the hearing at First Coast News!
POP: Thank you, I did not know that. My concern is does the Judge have discretionary power if it is a plea deal? I know Fla is different, so I was wondering.(yeah, and hoping, I just love my Ronald)
And if he does have to serve any time, I will proudly send him as much new underwear as he desires!!!!!!
Oh, yeah, and soap.
There was no Haleigh sighting in Joe’s hometown. The sighting was in Knoxville and Joe lives very near Nashville, not even close to each other.
The same maroon Rav 4? The same as what?
Lindsy got rid of van.
Vaquera, I just saw your posts re: Crystal. I didn’t think anything about her appearance, in fact, I noticed her hair and thought, dang, she looks really cute. My best friend just got her hair cut the same way yesterday! Why is anyone even talking about that? Just curious, why did anyone comment on that?
POP help!!! Yes, ur right, geez ur good!! It was Knoxville. What about the darn Rav 4? I’m asking u.
POP: WHAT do u think? Ron?
POP: WHAT do u think? Ron?
POP: which drugs are they charging Ronald with? (weight, ie how many grams) did he take the most, or how did they figure it, if u know, thanks.
Seriously, I have been out of the loop, and I appreciate your information and corrections as well!!
Fill me in!!
That has got to be a strange thing, as to which drugs(weights) they have him pleading guilty to….Uggghhh, u gotta love our justice system. Coffee and cocktails. Oh, I’ll have mine with splenda, and ok, judge, let’s have him plead guilty to the 30 gm charge……Hey, waitress, can I have some extra ranch on my salad??
Ron is not walking free with time served. You can take that to the bank.
I’d load up on ron-boxers at sam’s club. Buying in bulk for a 20 plus year term would be the way to go.
ronfan- if you were a parent of a missing child and you had information that would solve the case, would you put that info in a vault to use as a bargaining chip in the event you got in trouble? This is what it appears Ron is doing or he just wants to save his own a$$ and is going along with the stories and making changes to them to make himself look good. iirc, he said he would kill the person who stole his daughter and he didn’t care if he went to jail. What he was saying was a plan for premeditated murder, he could get the death penalty or life,so it makes one think what changed now? He is no longer able to get away with charges being dropped and he really is facing a long prison sentence!
Jaba, pass the popcorn.. I feel my long viewed prediction is coming true…
vaquera said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
“And I know it’s not being talked about here but they do read here and Crystal Cummmings wears those wigs because of a medical condition. Not everyone has the money to buy the expensive ones that you can’t tell are wigs..”
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beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
“I still stand by opinion!!! They shouldn’t let her walk around like that!”
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OMG – So, cent, you think people with medical conditions and physical disabilities – that you do not find attractive – should be forced to stay at home? OMG.
Fortunately there are laws against that. And most of us are taught from a young age to be kind – or at the very least to be quiet and not giggle or ridicule people – because of how they look.
Alex- I have missed you guys so much. How is your mom??? and you. This surg has been a lot more painful.If it fixes the prob, I will grin and bear it. I would like to keep in touch with you guys. Love and hugs
Grandma of 5 Hey!
Alex, your 8:36am ITA.
Goodmorning m2c
Hi Grandma of 5! We went to Dr. Ibrahim yesterday and tests show the stomach cancer is back. They are afraid since mom is none compliant with her heart meds, she may die of heart failure during surgery! So right now just keeping her as comfortable as possible.
Missed you too, love & hugs!!!!!!!
Hi, looking for justice!
LookingforJustice said,
“Joe could of been a good boy scout that day in hanging posters for Haleigh. We have seen before that the actual perp will go out with a search party and look for the victim they have murdered as we saw in the Shelby Cox case. ”
Very astute observation in my opinion.
Hi Looking.So good to see some of my friends again. I am having withdrawals. lol But it is the truth. How are you??
Ron’s attorney says “he was collateral damage in the drug sting.” Well, who was the target? The obvious answer would be Misty. So Hope, Donna, and Tommy all go to prison for 15 years as “collateral damage?” That stinks.
Somebody the other day someone asked “if JO is actually responsible for Haleigh’s death why isn’t PCSO targeting him?” Good question. I think the answer is that JO is out of their jurisdiction so they go after the easy pickings.
I’ve got a hunch that the SWAT team visit to his house “on a tip about an assault” actually originated at the request of PCSO but I don’t know that for sure.
Vaq, you know any details of that “assault?”
Goodmorning Georgia Boy, you left out the part where I said not that I believe that in this case, but it does happen.
I am fine Grandma of 5. Just to let you know my granddaughter loves kindergarten and she calls me everyday after school.
What do you think of al the info in this case?
Alex, I am so sorry about your mom.We went thru that with my dad.His was in his mouth. He would go thru periods of being clear and it coming back again.It killed me .I was Daddy’s Girl.He loved my kids more than anything.
Looking,I don’t know what to think about this.I still think Misty will be thrown under the bus.She has been used and throwed out like yesterday’s garbage.I don’t think any of this will find that beautiful little girl.I’m at a loss and hope I’m wrong.I think Ron knows what happened. If he does,he should be charged too. If any of my good friends that I bonded with over the last several weeks want my e-mail just show CJ this. I’m glad to hear that the little one is happy with school.My girl sent a text that she’s great and a picture of her room. My husband and I are going to town so I better get moving. Wouldn’t want him to go off and leave me.lol bbl Have a great day.
Lookingfor Justice, sorry if I misunderstood your post. Wasn’t intentional.
mlee said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
With having the two largest charges dismissed for Ron.. That speaks volumes.. Apparently, Ron has had quite a bit to say.. Now, having gone through this procedure, and its a given he must have told them something that just tickled them pink.. And yes, there could be an immunity somewhere in the midst for Ron.. Immunity from prosecution for any involvement in Criminal activities he was involved with, along with the young croslins. And of course.. we all must remember there was an offer of Immunity in the Haleigh gone missing.
Eventually, when all is said and done, we will find out what all the fine print is, within this plea bargain of ron’s.. But, one question I have.. What really initiated Ron to start talking, after all of these months that he held his silence… Fear of going to trial, I don’t think so.. He had months to worry about that.. Something else prompted his immediate desire to talk..
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How do we know for a fact that RC has held his silence for all of these months?
In the back of my mind, I’ve thought that RC had been talking to LE prior to his marriage to Misty, prior to Shoemaker taking on RC’s case.
Hi GeorgiaBoy, great to see you hear. Where did you get that really relevant and interesting information about Joe’s hx? About the two other 5-yr-old girls he molested (not Misty as one when she was five, I presume)?
GeorgiaBoy, and the part about Joe molesting HaLeigh from the time he got there and that HaLeigh didn’t like him?
GeorgiaBoy, another question, there has been talk (recent, even) that Misty called Timmy before the 911 call. Can you verify or refute that, and again, if so, source?
Did I scare everyone away?
GeorgiaBoy- what State is Joe a registered sex offender in?
Alex, GB is saying that Joe is NOT a registered sex offender. Joe was accused of molesting two other 5-yr-old girls but that did not necessarily result in convictions/registration.
Alex, but so glad you are here and I am not alone
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To clarify, according to GB, Joe was accused…
I am sure GHollars would be shouting that out on JVM or NG if that were true. And she has never said Joe molested anyone, actually she said the opposite. jmo
The only ones that threw out that JO was a pedophile was the Croslins. Misty said JO “messed” with her when she was 5 or 6, well JO would have been 6 or 7. I don’t think that would qualify as being a pedophile.
Cate- TY- I was going to try to contact the State that allowed him to travel around and be in the presence of other children. If you know, were charges ever filed against him? If so where? If not why?
WhyLie TY- you just answered my question!
Mistys sole purpose was to take the focus off of her when she agreed to the LVA and Hypnosis.
And she failed miserably. She brought up Tommy because at the time she was POed at him for getting Ron charged with battery. Joe was her other scape goat.She was working up a witch hunt for Joe, she wanted everyone to belive he was some horrible guy so they would focus on him. I think flag would have gone off if she said anything truthful on that LVA about Joe or Tommy. And if I remember right her statement about Ron was 40% sure he didnt harm Haleigh. ( not even fifty fifty) jmo
tobias, If Gma Hollars knew about the accusations against Joe then I would have to agree with you. GBoy seems very sure of himself, sure wish he’d say more about who he is and what his sources are.
I don’t put much weight into Joe ‘helping’ put up flyers. Such an action could be viewed as nothing more than a perfect chance to have a private chat with Misty yet continue to appear as concerned and assisting in getting the flyers up while awaiting his ride out of there.
When it comes to Joe I’m more interested in learning more of what he was doing between the phone call at 4am and the time he finally showed up to join the rest of the family.
Anybody remember the old movie Liar Liar? Too bad the whole bunch can’t be subjected to 24 hours of the inability to tell a lie.
tobias, I don’t put anything into LVA, hypnosis or polys when it comes to questioning about crimes. But I do emphatically agree that Joe could be a scapegoat and that the whole story isn’t out yet, especially wrt Ron.
And if I rmember right Misty took a poly while in jail and LE was so hopeful she was telling the truth but she also failed that one miserably too. I believe it was this story that she told now is what she failed on and so did Tommy. Its the lawyers that are saying its true not LE. JMO
Definitely the lawyers that are saying that is what their clients have told them, not LE. LE still completely tight-lipped.
The physiological psychology community, really, really smart people, do not believe in polys. There is only one version of the poly that has some use. It is called “The Guilty Knowledge Test” and I have no reason to believe that form has ever been administered to anyone regarding HaLeigh.
Its not just the poly its what she is saying on video. jmo bbl
From news4jax.com – “Terry Shoemaker, Ronald Cummings’ attorney, told Channel 4′s Tarik Minor that his client isn’t buying his ex-wife and brother-in-law’s account of Haleigh’s disappearance.
“Ronald has a hard time believing someone would go to the house to get a gun and take a child instead,” Shoemaker said. “He questions that aspect of it.”
The father doesn’t even believe the “story” from them. This is one thing I can say we agree on. The only parts of the “story” I believe is that Haleigh was placed in a black bag with cinder blocks , tied up with yellow rope , and dumped somewhere in the St. Johns River. I can also say that I agree with Nancy Grace that all four of them are gulity of something in Haleigh’s murder. I think the father wanted them to stick with the original “my child was stoled” , “I don’t know what happened , I was at work” , “I don’t know what happened , I was sleeping” , and “I don’t know what happened to Haleigh” stories. The only motive as to why they are pinning all this on the cousin is because of past sexual abuse by the cousin on the ex-bride. Like murder , there is no statue of limitations on prosecution of sex crimes. At this point , they are all lawyered up and no one will talk. It’s now up to LE and SA to present their case to a grand jury so to charge anyone in Haleigh’s case.
tobias said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Its not just the poly its what she is saying on video. jmo bbl
And ITA about that part
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heyitsmekelly,
YES ITA to:
the father wanted them to stick with the original “my child was stoled” , “I don’t know what happened , I was at work” , “I don’t know what happened , I was sleeping” , and “I don’t know what happened to Haleigh”
Ron is the only one that can stay on message
Its also the timing like I pointed out Tommy had just filed charges on Ron for battery. Misty retaliated with a restraining order and these statements.Ron and Misty also put the rat in the mailbox at this time. Later she went to court and had the RO dropped.
And none of the parties involved in that fight actually fessed up what it was all about. Misty was suppposed to have called and said she wanted to leave. But when they got there Misty says it isnt so. What did Ron state? It was never said….. jmo
Jan,once again copying whole article because they archive them and they are never seen again unless you have a subscription..
Ronald Cummings pleads guilty
By Kristin Chambers
Published: Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:03 AM EDT
Ronald Cummings, father of Haleigh Cummings, pleaded guilty Friday to three of five drug trafficking charges he faces in exchange for his testimony and cooperation involving the case of his missing daughter.
He has also agreed to provide the state with “substantial assistance” in the drug case, which led to his arrest along with four others last January following a month-long undercover narcotics bust.
“I don’t think there is anything else he could give them,” defense attorney Terry Shoemaker said.
“We have met with them numerous times and answered all their questions, but you never know,” Shoemaker said. “If there ever was a trial in Haleigh’s disappearance then they could ask him to come back and testify for that.”
Walking into the courtroom, Cummings smiled as he glanced at his family sitting in the front row.
His mother, Teresa Neves, wiped her eyes as he pleaded to the three charges, which will give him a minimum mandatory of 15 years.
The charges stem from three transactions in which he sold 39.7 grams of hydrocodone worth $465 to undercover officers.
Circuit Judge Terry LaRue set Cummings’ sentencing for Sept. 24.
Others arrested in the undercover operation include his cousin, Hope Sykes, 18; his ex-wife, Misty Croslin, 18; and her brother, Hank Croslin Jr, 24.
Videos secretly recorded during the transactions serve as the state’s key evidence.
“It’s not like there is a lot they could argue or fight in trial, so the evidence against them is what made everybody plea,” Shoemaker said.
Misty Croslin was the last person to see Haleigh before the 5-year-old disappeared the night of Feb. 10, 2009.
Cummings was working a night shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka when Croslin reported Haleigh missing to police at 3:27 a.m.
Croslin married and later divorced Cummings, and was later caught on camera dealing drugs with him after they split.
She has also been called “the key to the investigation” several times by law enforcement due to her inconsistence accounts of what happened that night.
No suspects have been named in the case.
On Monday, accusations from Misty Croslin’s attorney came out that her Tennessee cousin, Joe Overstreet, took Haleigh when he couldn’t find a gun that belonged to Cummings.
Croslin’s attorney, Robert Fields, said Croslin fought with Overstreet at the Satsuma trailer and then hid under the covers as she heard Haleigh struggle before the 5-year-old was stashed in a black bag and taken away in a van.
Fields said Croslin Jr. gave investigators a similar story to investigators last spring, which triggered a three-day search of the St. Johns River near the Shell Harbour boat ramp.
Nothing was found.
Shoemaker said his client is skeptical of the story.
“Ronald has a hard time understanding why someone would go to steal a gun and steal a child instead,” Shoemaker said. “I think he has a feeling that there’s still more that needs to come out.”
When asked about Cummings’ relationship with Overstreet, Shoemaker said the two did not get along.
“He said it was just one of those where he didn’t know him but didn’t have good feelings about him,” Shoemaker said.
Overstreet was arrested in Tennessee on drug charges last week.
Authorities have questioned Overstreet on several occasions following Haleigh’s disappearance. His attorney said Overstreet had no role in the disappearance.
Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, was also present at Friday’s court hearing, and said afterward that it’s time that someone talks.
“I don’t care if they are in prison or not, they just need to tell what happened,” Sheffield said. “The truth needs to come out so my baby can come home.”
Putnam County authorities said what began as a child abduction case is now a homicide investigation, but several of Haleigh’s family members insist they believe the child is alive.
Both Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield have been ruled out as suspects, authorities said.
kchambers@palatkadailynews.com
CathyJo63 said,in August 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm Jan Gave me permission to change my nic and i have one Now I think all you guys will know me by pretty easy? LoL
I will Be ChattyCathy from now on….Didn’t wanna change till I told everyone because I don’t like nic change at all but it still has Cathy in there and you’ll know me at a glance with my typos and all before long anyway!
Who can say it ain’t a fittin nic? LoL
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Tobias,where can i read the part about ron left his kids in the truck? I believe it but i still wanna see it?? TIA
See,my first error,I forgot to post as the new one! LoL
GeorgiaBoy said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 9:48 am
Ron’s attorney says “he was collateral damage in the drug sting.” Well, who was the target? The obvious answer would be Misty. So Hope, Donna, and Tommy all go to prison for 15 years as “collateral damage?” That stinks.
Somebody the other day someone asked “if JO is actually responsible for Haleigh’s death why isn’t PCSO targeting him?” Good question. I think the answer is that JO is out of their jurisdiction so they go after the easy pickings.
I’ve got a hunch that the SWAT team visit to his house “on a tip about an assault” actually originated at the request of PCSO but I don’t know that for sure.
Vaq, you know any details of that “assault?”
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Not really except Joe wasn’t arrested for it but I believe the others were. Something about a car that was sitting in the back yard that was used in an assault.If I remember correctly I think the car was stolen.
Granny Flo, if you can believe anything she says, said a detective with PCSO called her and asked her what the deal was with Joe being arrested. PCSO also said they had no plans on talking with Joe again.
ronfan said,in August 21st, 2010 at 5:36 am LFJ, CJ, and BAC: ok, get off the opinion wagon and leave Ron alone….SMILE????
Do u think that is a smile??? Search your conscious.
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Mine is all clear,I sleep really good,LoL
But you are a RonFan so go for it,LoL
I would too if I were a fan,heck I use to be!
Alexandria Loring said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
Hi Grandma of 5! We went to Dr. Ibrahim yesterday and tests show the stomach cancer is back. They are afraid since mom is none compliant with her heart meds, she may die of heart failure during surgery! So right now just keeping her as comfortable as possible.
Missed you too, love & hugs!!!!!!!
Hi, looking for justice!
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So sorry, Alex
IMO,On JVM last night Granny Flo just opens her mouth and lets it flow!
She don’t know a doggone thing! jmo
ronfan said,in August 21st, 2010 at 4:09 am m2c, just catching up, yeah, it’s 5am!!! cheers to you for your posts! Ok, so I’m wondering, I’ve been gone for a bit, but it really sounds like you are sticking up for my boy here…guess it’s not appropriate to say that, but honestly, it’s good to see someone post something totally unbiased.
How about anyone here thinking the obvious: Ron is quiet cuz he is being told to be quiet…Ron is doing what he is being instructed to do, so justice is finally served for his daughter.
All along I have said, he has been playing a part like an actor in a movie.
**Did anyone realize the relevance of his statement right before the actual take down: He inferred that he might just have enough money in 2 weeks to buy them for “himself” and “eat them”….uhhhhh, for the naive out there, he is so obviously stating for the camera hey, I’m not implicating myself or saying that I will distribute drugs….in the long run, that, my friends, will SAVE HIM ABOUT 20 YEARS!!!!!!!!
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Sorry,ron also defended the same one he’s accusing now,what did he not know then,that he knows now??? Notta! he married her too??
Sorry jmo but he sure wasn’t quiet defending the last person who had his daughter then??
Cathy, I dont know about that you must have someone else in mind saying that.jmo
I don’t think TC and MC are smart enough to make up a story like what they’re telling. Even the inconsistencies are what you’d expect from two witnesses to the same event, told a year and half after the event.
What I don’t understand is if their story is not based in fact, then why tell it? There is no way they would take a fall to protect someone else, except maybe for each other and I doubt even that.
I like the collateral damage part, like Ron just wandered in and got caught.pffftt.
He was dealing and as far as I can see its against the law. Just like Hope (which I believe wouldnt have been there if not for RON (SHE DIDNT HANG WITH THE CROSLINS).IMHO
ronfan said,in August 21st, 2010 at 4:48 am How about this: What if Joe was at the house earlier with everyone else, (when they were all sitting around smoking) and he went and unlocked the back door….then waited….then propped the back door open quietly, took Haleigh in a BLACK GARBAGE BAG **remember Junior saying a man dressed all in black took my sissy** then came back, woke Misty up, said don’t move or I’ll take Junior too. Then told Misty to call Tommy….so he would have an accomplice….Misty stated several times, she saw Tommy standing in the doorway…Tommy purposely didn’t walk into the house, maybe so he wouldn’t leave prints…***Does anyone recall the detail of the “lost” fact of Misty calling Timmy right before Ron got home? Funny, how that fell off the face of the earth, huh?((just like everything else LE tries to cover up AFTER it gets out!!))
Why would Tommy feel so threatened as to not call 911 after what he had seen? What if Joe told Tommy he would come back and get his kids too?
What in the heck is Timmy’s involvement? Misty called him one time right before Ron got home.
Probably for help???? Uhhh, Yep??? Why don’t we hear PCSO talking about that? It was only mentioned 1 time, and that was during the interrogation of Chelsea and Timmy after the HALEIGH SIGHTING IN MA.?!
omg, AND can someone tell us where the freaking Van is??????
Hair samples????
Dirt????
Tire tracks??
Tire tracks with the same mud composition as the mud around the dock area in question?
Is this a test, or a joke???
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I am not saying anything isn’t possible,not at all,What I am saying is merely this?
If ron knew he had nothing to do with this then tell me why he defended Misty when he really did not know,he was at werk? She had just left for a weekend and if he did not suspect Misty then why did he not suspect someone from the place Misty was with,even if he didn’t know wbp then he still knew she’d been gone,he defended Misty regardless on N/G and no father I ever met would have done so?? Not one??
N/G asked him why he didn’t ask her about her stories and why she didn’t go to the closest br and he said,I didn’t aske her.thats not what she’s telling me?? LOL Come on!!!!!!!!!
Then he marries her?? TN and AS singing her praises and even now TN says,Mistys lying? Well duhhh,ya reckon…….hm sounds like the same story she told back then when She was the top of the list on rons list and given an heirloom ring??
Ron had a car when he was working at PDM, he got the truck after Haleigh went missing, so unlikely he had his children in the truck while he worked.
Also, it was said in the sewer hole of WS by the local rumor mongers, that Ron would take the children to work in his car and leave them there while he worked. That was proven to not be possible because of the security at the plant.
tobias, I do believe they were all collateral damage in the drug sting, and I’m not saying that they didn’t do it and shouldn’t be punished, but I believe Misty was the object of the sting.
I think had Misty been the only one caught, she would have talked, if she had anything to say, in regards to Haleigh.
tobias said,in August 21st, 2010 at 1:41 pm Cathy, I dont know about that you must have someone else in mind saying that.jmo
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Sorry,I knew you were still here and you always are in the know,why I asked you,but everybody keeps saying,he left the kids in the truck b/c he had no sitter so I wanted to see the article or where that came from?
GeorgiaBoy,
Reasons for Tommy and Misty to make up a story (none of which are mutually exclusive), even if they know or suspect that :
1. They are guilty (the obvious)
2. Ron is guilty and they are afraid of him
3. They are afraid of Johnny Marty/Sheffield and his connections
4. They are pressured by and afraid of the PCSO
5. They simply aren’t capable of telling the truth (can’t resist the humorous moment). But more seriously, there is a very important point here. They don’t much experience the truth, ever. They are young and uneducated and they use drugs a lot. And I think they are also creative and imaginative and that matters. And may also have some sort of dissociative disorder. And PTSD (from a number of their life experiences).
If you go back and read the incident reports and the dates they had Misty on alot of charges before Ron got involved. 1. Misty and Kelly. 2 Donna and Misty 3 Misty being dropped of and picked up by Ron but he was never in the UC car or spoke. 4. Tommy and Misty 5 Ron Misty Hope 6 Ron misty Hope etc. They made sure Ron had 5 charges. jmo
I sure would like to hear the part redacted on the UC tapes. I think we could learn alot. jmo
vaquera-ty!
tobias said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 2:02 pm
ITA.
So whatever happened with Kelly? That was Nay Nay’s little sister, right? Was she charged?
I am really starting to believe there was a prior crime and then this happened. I dont believe Ron was involved in his daughters crime but the one that caused the ball rolling.
Could be wrong but its strange Ron would want to crush Joes hands for the gun but he doubts this story about him killing Haleigh???? jmo
Cate- your #5 may be accurate it reminds me of Casey Anthony!
The article I read (and I can’t remember which of the million it was) that the SWAT team “offered” to back, or come along, in the Joe bust. Don’t know if that means they weren’t actually called to duty.
Kelly was a juvie. And we are only guessing it was her by the name and address. jmo
ChattyCathy said,in August 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm tobias said,in August 21st, 2010 at 1:41 pm Cathy, I dont know about that you must have someone else in mind saying that.jmo
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Sorry,I knew you were still here and you always are in the know,why I asked you,but everybody keeps saying,he left the kids in the truck b/c he had no sitter so I wanted to see the article or where that came from?
It came from Kim P-on last night’s JVM show.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, wait you`re saying he did leave work that night before he came home, that there`s some mystery story we don`t know about?
PICAZIO: Well, there are some reports that have been substantiated or not by law enforcement about the time that he did get to work and prior nights where he had left work. And we also had confirmation from a security guard at his employer`s that on two occasions Ron had the children, Haleigh and her little brother, Junior sleeping in the car, while he was at work and came to check out on them.
So that might go to the phone calls that he was trying to get in touch with Misty because that would happen when Misty leave the trailer. Misty had left the trailer before on many evenings. We had eyewitness accounts by the neighbors that we had personally spoken to.
Text here:
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/20/ijvm.01.html
tobias said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Again ITA.
Ron does a lot of things to undermine the investigation, imho.
He’s guilty of something that is tightly connected to the final incident involving HaLeigh.
And Teresa and Annette are on board with protecting him?
tobias, thanks for that answer. I remember Kelly from an Art Harris interview so wondered about her. Forgot that juvie records are inaccessible.
Teresa and Annette I believe have always protected Ron. His choice in girlfriends was overlooked and by their standards the girls were not that great but not Rons fault. Ron couldnt keep his family together, not his fault, Amber, well she was a druggie and a tramp not Rons fault. Misty well she was the best thing next to sliced bread even after Haleigh went missing until they got caught in the sting then she is a witch who left Ron without a babysitter and now should be hung in the town square. Will TN and AS feel this way if its found out that Ron was involved even indirectly?
Also remember alot of those pics are from around the time Ron was with Amber. jmo
….or maybe Ron is afraid of Misty. She has to know all kinds of dirt about him that might get him into some serious trouble. Maybe his deal with LE is for immunity from any past actions. In which case he would feel free to testify against Misty (if he wasn’t involved with HaLeigh’s abduction).
….and maybe Tommy and Misty are afraid because of what part they had to play in HaLeigh’s disappearance?
…or maybe Misty is afraid for her brother Tommy for what part he might have played?
Joe is optional here. Take him out or put him in where desired.
If its that way Joe knows something, and I believe he will talk if brought in. Remember what he said in one interview? The reported asked him if he knew anything and he said “I wished I could say something but I cant.” Go look on Youtube his interviews are posted. jmo
Chatty Cathy, here are the videos of the JVM show last night. Part two has Kim P’s bit about Ron:
http://www.youtube.com/user/1947Sierra#p/u/4/mBGd6RWJikY
Sorry He said I want to say something but I dont know what to say. correction sorry.
Okay…insert Joe. I hadn’t gotten around to really placing him yet in my mind. But my hinky meter went off back along the way when I saw his interview. The way his eyelids were fluttering and his hesitation to make eye contact made me think he was exceptionally shy, or exceptionally guilty, and didn’t even believe his own words.
I’m still hung up on Lindsey throwing out T & T’s work boots.
Georgiaboy,
How about the questions about koes alleged prior accusations of molestation? Where does that come from? With such an accusation I’m sure you have a source you can name and dates u can provide, right?
I noticed Cate asking similar questions but no answer from you yet.
Can you give the details you know and where they come from?
TIA
browneyes, Sorry, can’t help you on Lindsey throwing out T & Ts workboots
but you bring up some interesting things about Joe.
I don’t think his fluttering eyelids mean much. It might but isn’t reliable. Some people just have dry eyes; there is some research about eye blinks and dopamine; look at his mom, she blinks a lot, too. Don’t think you can make much out of it. His eye contact could be due to a lot of things unrelated to guilt, too.
And he could be exceptionally shy AND guilty.
My guess is that he was very well coached, and rehearsed, for that interview.
Doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty, just means he did good at the interview.
Joe not koe….oops.
m2c said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 9:01 am
vaquera said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
“And I know it’s not being talked about here but they do read here and Crystal Cummmings wears those wigs because of a medical condition. Not everyone has the money to buy the expensive ones that you can’t tell are wigs..”
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beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in August 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
“I still stand by opinion!!! They shouldn’t let her walk around like that!”
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OMG – So, cent, you think people with medical conditions and physical disabilities – that you do not find attractive – should be forced to stay at home? OMG.
Fortunately there are laws against that. And most of us are taught from a young age to be kind – or at the very least to be quiet and not giggle or ridicule people – because of how they look.
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M2C,
You can try your best to hit at whatever you like… but not at me when it comes down to “disabilities”. You don’t know shit about my feelings when it comes to such matters, you don’t know what I see on a daily basis, when I look at my son, or my mother. If anyone here is doing any ridiculing it is YOU… YOU always have and you always WILL!!!
YOU DON”T EVEN KNOW IF SHE HAS A DISABILITY!
Why would you make fun of anybody not knowing if they DO have a disability, especially if you have first hand experience with disabilities? I would think it would make you much more tolerant. I know my first hand experience with my son’s disability and my grandsons disability has made me much less judgmental when I see people who are a bit different.
M2C is correct, she does have a disability, and does have to wear wigs.
Hello everyone, It was back in April Flo Hollars was asked if Joe has any sex crime allegations against him. She said no, just B&E and stealing a car. He had not been out of juvie very long. You can tell Flo does not like her grandson Joe or Tommy for that matter. Flo really only cares about Misty. Misty is Flos baby. jmo
Whylie… you take it as making fun of! Go ahead I do NOT have to explain myself to you or anyone else!
LFJ,
I believe it was reported that Misty is the favorite, and that they were very close! Yet, remember in the convo Tommy had with Lindsy, about Flo coming to visit, he seemed to be really concerned for her health as if they have always been close!
ITA Tobias with your 2:02pm post.
It was back in the beginnig Ron was on Nancy Grace a woman called in and asked about the cousin being at the home that night Haleigh disappeared. The camera was on Ron. He got angry and you could hear him say the cousin was not there. He dismissed Joe being at his home adamantly; like he knew it for sure. I thought automaticly how would he know he was at work.
I remember Cent about the convo, but the other night on JVM about Mistys new version Tommy is not included. Flo made sure to add Tommys name back in it. JVM said she does not mention Tommy. Flo said Misty told me Tommy and Joe tied a yellow rope around Haleigh and threw her in the river. Tommy may care about Flo a great more deal than she does him. Flo even stated on one ofthe shows that she don’t know why Lyndsey is with Tommy. Lyndsey is the one who works and that Tommy is lazy.
Ohh I agree, I think perhaps something in the past transpired and Tommy was involved and maybe it had something to do with Flo!
In my humble opinion, Gma Flo has ran her course with anything useful to say and/or give as meaningful in interviews. About time for Flo to ‘retire from the showbiz’ circut.
Moving on, guess it’s not a bit of any of my business, but I fail to see what the catfighting over Crystal’s appearance is all about. While I didn’t care for her choice of jewerly in yesterday’s clip, I really did not see anything else about her to get up all in arms over. All that really stood out to me was a mom in great pain over the loss of her daughter…it took me a second to realize who she was as the hair color was a change I had not seen before, but did not see anything that shouted out ‘oh my God’.
I think the thing that most upset me this week was last night on NG when they put up the ‘We remember Haleigh Cummings’ (like the show does for deceased), I was not ready to see that yet while I see her family members still holding out with some hope.
looking for Justice said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 4:43 pm
ITA Tobias with your 2:02pm post.
It was back in the beginnig Ron was on Nancy Grace a woman called in and asked about the cousin being at the home that night Haleigh disappeared. The camera was on Ron. He got angry and you could hear him say the cousin was not there. He dismissed Joe being at his home adamantly; like he knew it for sure. I thought automaticly how would he know he was at work.
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I am sure Misty said no one was at the house that night, remember she said she was asleep the whole time. That was her story till she got arrested.
just-sayin @ 5:25
I think the “upset” you are talking about was regarding criticisms of Crystal Cummings’ appearance. She wears wigs and some of us understood it was due to hair loss because of a medical condition – which would make criticizing it a pretty low blow.
If there were criticisms about Crystal Sheffield, they were probably debating her behavior – having to be physically held back (or so it appeared) from attacking Lisa after the hearing.
I don’t think it would be appropriate for me post the names and dates when two still minor children were sexually molested. If you find my allegation about that situation not to your liking then I suggest you ask Jan to remove that post.
Thanks ChattyCathy for your information on person of suspect versus using the term suspect. Highly enlightening to me since LE rarely uses the term suspect anymore regarding investigation. The part where it was mentioned (paraphrasing here) using person of interest is in a way to try get people not to “lawyer up”, not to exercise their Miranda rights, while interviewing someone. That’s a fine line to cross when it comes to the law, and frankly it scares me. That’s why I would never judge anyone –guilty or innocent–to lawyer up. And several people say if your are innocent why hire a lawyer? To protect YOUR rights–and some cops hope that most people come in “ignorant of the law” so they can take advantage of that ignorance. An informative article to say the least. JMO
Georgiaboy- Was LE ever notified about these allegations?
Jan has a new article up about a probable runaway girl whose mother is asking for our help in getting information out about.
http://www.bloggernews.net/125113#comment-1734688
For those of us in FL, NC, SC and GA (most likely locations of the girl) she is especially asking that we keep a look out for her.
GA Boy–I enjoy your post and in no way do I want innocent children names of sexual abuse to be plastered over the internet. So Joe is a sexual offender? Was he just accused and never convicted? Was this when he was a juvenile? And since juvenile records are sealed, how would someone come across this information? And since children names are rarely used (usually redacted) in criminal abuse cases (the girls names are never released since they are indeed minors), I think some substantiation of a sexual offense, instead of claiming it is a fact, is what people like to see, since rumors in this case are legendary. An offense like this, especially true, against JO changes everything IMO.
Its one thing to say it, its another thing to prove it.
That’s what I figured.
I’m sure u know no one wants the names of minor children who have been moletsed being released, but unless joe told u or the families of the victims told you, or u have seen le records on it, then I take it as it is presented, without basis, imo anyway.
Feel free to set the record straight.
robin said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 7:51 pm
GA Boy–I enjoy your post and in no way do I want innocent children names of sexual abuse to be plastered over the internet. So Joe is a sexual offender? Was he just accused and never convicted? Was this when he was a juvenile? And since juvenile records are sealed, how would someone come across this information? And since children names are rarely used (usually redacted) in criminal abuse cases (the girls names are never released since they are indeed minors), I think some substantiation of a sexual offense, instead of claiming it is a fact, is what people like to see, since rumors in this case are legendary. An offense like this, especially true, against JO changes everything IMO.
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I dont think it would matter if Joe was underage when 2 children were sexually molested, he would be listed on the SO list. Just like the underage boy that sexually abused/raped Misty is now a RSO.
So either the story is not true, a rumor or if it’s true the family didnt tell the police for whatever reason
Even Flo was asked about his criminal past and it was just stealing a car and that was it.
vaquera- ita
One was a family member and Flo should know. Ask her next time you talk to her. Sorry, I’m not going to give you the name of the child but I do know it. If you prefer not to believe it, so be it. If you prefer to believe my posts are unreliable, it’s a free world, and frankly I don’t care.
I do find it incredible that you would believe Flo about anything. But if that is the type of source you are used to then …. well, I won’t say it, I don’t want to be rude.
For the record, I believe the family did tell the police but then dropped it to avoid any further emotional distress to the little girl. I was told that, but I have not seen the PD records and wouldn’t have anyway to see them.
I have certain opinions about this case but I try to post stuff that I know or strongly have reason to believe are factual. I’m not asking anyone to believe anything I post. Being skeptical is smart. Being blind is stupid.
Thank you vaquera and I agree. I think if JO had a previous accusation of molesting young girls (and any substantiation to that fact), then I would think LE would have aggressively pursued him after Misty or Chelsea (or whoever accused him first) brought him to their notice. Flo and family, as well as many Croslins, would have definitely let that fact roll of their tongues like water when being interviewed. The only one to ever accuse him of that is Misty (if I recall correctly) and that was against her. JMO
If a report is made that a child is sexually abused, a parent can’t just drop it. It has to be investigated. True or not, there is no record of JO being a pedophile. He has never been found guilty of those type of charges and is not on the RSO list.
If there was any allegations made in regards to JO being a pedophile, the FBI would have had that info, and would not have been so quick to clear him early on in the case.
The only “record” we have is Misty saying he messed with her when she was 5 or 6, which would have made him 6 or 7. I personally believe that that “memory” was put in Misty’s head by the Croslin family, to once again point the finger at JO.
Georgiaboy- Nobody is asking you to give names of anyone who was sexually assaulted. What we are trying to find out is was JO arrested or even questioned about any of this. I believe there are many people who have been molested and it was never reported but that just allows the perpetrator to continue in his/her ways and many times a child ends up dead.
So the only question I have is if it was reported was JO ever questioned about it by LE?
Have to agree with you on that one WhyLie.
Thanks GA Boy for your clarification. I, for one, am totally skeptical of anything Flo says. If you know this and have been told by family members, is LE aware of this (unless you are LE or PI lol)? Flo knows then why did she not mention it (because we all have seen her loose lips) because she definitely is not a JO fan. She wouldn’t have had to mention names at all, or why hasn’t a anonymous family member came forward to substantiate this? This is an explosive and inflammatory statement, especially if NOT true. If he is indeed guilty of an alleged molestation then why in HELL did someone in that family not warn the Croslin family when he came to visit especially when they have minor children present? I can indeed agree with protecting the past victims, but what about the future victims he might come in contact with? That’s unconscionable. That’s why sexual predators get away with crimes when people are afraid to come forward and they aimlessly get to walk our streets virtually undetected and parents of small children have NO clue. I can understand the emotional trauma and sparing a young child this, but I also think ALL children should be protected against a “closet pedophile”. Maybe its time someone should come forward, so police can move forward with this investigation. JMO
I thought GABoy owned a fish camp in Palataka? Don’t think he is LE.
WhyLie–I agree with you. The state would definitely pick up the case and it would be at their discretion to pursue it. I am glad you brought that to our attention and it makes sense.
Jan has a new article up about a probable runaway 16 year old girl whose mother is asking for our help in getting information out about her.
Most probable locations are GA, NC, SC and FL so any readers from those states are being asked to help in any way they can.
LadySadie–I thought I read that too. But he has come up with information that I have never read (and there are some great investigative bloggers here and well versed in the info in this case) that I thought I would throw that in there (mainly as a joke). I meant no offense there at all, GA Boy. Forgive me for there is NO humor whatsoever in what we were discussing and I do not take this issue lightly at all. JMO
Well actually if it’s minors as victims or even adults as rape victims if the victim is going to refuse to testify or participate then then LE has no choice but to drop it because it’s not prosecutable. It’s not like it’s a bank robbery where there are other witnesses.
Rather than going off on hypotheticals, let’s just drop the subject. It’ll come again later when JO is arrested and then maybe you’ll believe me, or not. Makes no difference. One think I’ve learned is that not everybody gets or understands everything. If it doesn’t resonate with you, let it go.
Lincoln was right about the “some of the people and all of the people” thingee.
Aah, my bad. Can’t quite drop it yet. Just read Robin’s post and Robin said, “why hasn’t a anonymous family member came forward to substantiate this? ”
Well ask any one of them. Any one of them you ask will tell you what I’ve told you. Ask MariandeDave on Sunday and see what he says. He’s had some contact with family members, although I think the one that posted on his site was Joe’s sister and was very pro Joe so she might not be unbiased.
I am unbiased. I have no dog in that hunt.
crayon boy has a new article out.Guess Marie has asked for his help
GeorgiaBoy said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 9:13 pm
One was a family member and Flo should know. Ask her next time you talk to her. Sorry, I’m not going to give you the name of the child but I do know it. If you prefer not to believe it, so be it. If you prefer to believe my posts are unreliable, it’s a free world, and frankly I don’t care.
I do find it incredible that you would believe Flo about anything. But if that is the type of source you are used to then …. well, I won’t say it, I don’t want to be rude.
For the record, I believe the family did tell the police but then dropped it to avoid any further emotional distress to the little girl. I was told that, but I have not seen the PD records and wouldn’t have anyway to see them.
I have certain opinions about this case but I try to post stuff that I know or strongly have reason to believe are factual. I’m not asking anyone to believe anything I post. Being skeptical is smart. Being blind is stupid
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Sorry to disagree but there is no way in hell if any LEO was told of this they would just drop it..
Vaq–The grand mother of a missing child claims corruption in the PCSO? I believe it and I think the FBI needs to take over. I wish she would go public with it (hopefully with evidence) but accusations made against PCSO might indeed backfire on her and her dirty laundry (if she has any) might come to “air” out. I just wish she would have contacted a reputable media outlet with her allegations, instead of one with credibility issues. I wonder if she read the sighting article he wrote recently (a sighting in May of this year) and who he implicates. I don’t like the way Marie has conducted herself throughout this investigation I will admit, along with KP, but I do hope that she can get someone else to take over this case, hopefully soon. Now I understand the animosity between the Sheffields/Griffis and the Cummings when it came to the vigil and balloon release. I just hope she is not spinning another “red herring” and “hate campaign” (and I do hate to say this) but there have been too many diversions all ready in the last 18 months. JMO
I also noticed after reading the article mentioned that Crayon Boy is writing a book.
Misty was complaining she was tired and didn’t want to babysit that night. TN and GS didn’t want to babysit either. Ron tells Misty to give Haleigh something to make her sleep since this was something they often did. Misty gives Haleigh a pill and then leaves to go party.
Later Ron calls Misty but she doesn’t answer because she didn’t stay home to sleep like she told Ron she would do. Ron is now worried and calls either Timmy, Tommy, TN or possibly all three to go check on Misty and the kids. One of them or all..discovers Haleigh, she had vomited, peed and wasn’t breathing and they proceed to give her CPR but it’s already too late. They call Ron and he instructs them on how to dispose of Haleigh and to clean up the MH. Sometime during all of this or after, Misty comes home.
Ron comes home and they plan their story and stage the kidnapping scene. Ron wants it to look like a kidnapping, Misty & Tommy want to make it look like Joe did it. They argue over what the story will be. Tommy and everyone else who was there that night goes home. Misty calls 911. Ron then calls TN and gives her the signal to come back to the MH.
Haleigh’s death was an accident but Ron cannot reveal what happened because it was his drugs and he is the one who told Misty to give them to Haleigh. In order to make them look like they are innocent, Ron and Misty get married…also so Ron won’t go to jail for sex with a minor. TN, GS whichever it was, praises Misty and says she loved those kids and was good to them. They have to make sure to keep the suspicion off of Ron. Everyone has to be made to believe it was an abduction. LE thinks otherwise and has them watched and sets up an uncover operation.
Now they all get busted for drugs. Ron being very familiar with the jail system knows to play it cool and keep his mouth shut. He has to play the part of the innocent grieving father. He was at werk, and came home to find his daughter was “stolen”. TN asks Ron if he thinks Misty will talk…in other words spill the beans on all of them. Ron being the confident person that he is, passes his LDT. He’s smooth, he knows how to play the game.
Meanwhile Misty and Tommy are being grilled and grilled. Pressure is mounting and not really knowing for sure what story Ron had given and since they both were high that night their memory is a little groggy they both play on the Joe story. The more they are grilled the more stories start to sprout. The dock, the rope, the black bag, the gun, Joe and so on.
Witnesses are starting to come forward. Pressure is mounting, more info is being discovered but nothing concrete yet to pin on anyone. Misty & Tommy’s stories keep changing, they can’t pass a LDT. Ron is being grilled, pressure is mounting. Suddenly Ron is making a deal to testify if needed to, and in exchange a couple of charges are dropped.
What can Ron testify to? They know Ron knows what happened that night. LE needs answers, they need to get this case solved. They are not getting anywhere with Misty & Tommy. Misty and Tommy’s info didn’t pan out so no plea deal for those two. Now that just leaves Ron. They need answers. They need to solve this…this case has gone on too long so they offer Ron a deal and if he cooperates they’ll drop two of his charges.. he agrees. What will he testify too? He’ll probably testify that it was his drugs, but while he was at werk..Misty was the one that gave Haleigh the drugs and that Tommy and Timmy? disposed of Haleigh’s body but he doesn’t know where because he was at werk.
As for Joe, I don’t think he was involved at all. If it turns out later that he was then I will be in shock. He has taken and passed a LDT. If LE thought he was involved in any way at all they would of had him in custody one way or another… just like Ron, Misty & Tommy.
I think LE is getting close, I think they have more info then they are letting on and I think they will charge someone for the murder of Haleigh by the end of the year.
robin said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Vaq–The grand mother of a missing child claims corruption in the PCSO? I believe it and I think the FBI needs to take over. I wish she would go public with it (hopefully with evidence) but accusations made against PCSO might indeed backfire on her and her dirty laundry (if she has any) might come to “air” out. I just wish she would have contacted a reputable media outlet with her allegations, instead of one with credibility issues. I wonder if she read the sighting article he wrote recently (a sighting in May of this year) and who he implicates. I don’t like the way Marie has conducted herself throughout this investigation I will admit, along with KP, but I do hope that she can get someone else to take over this case, hopefully soon. Now I understand the animosity between the Sheffields/Griffis and the Cummings when it came to the vigil and balloon release. I just hope she is not spinning another “red herring” and “hate campaign” (and I do hate to say this) but there have been too many diversions all ready in the last 18 months. JMO
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Teresa and Marie both came out last year and said they wanted the FBI to take over. I think the FBI should handle all missing children’s cases. I think they should take over the case too but they just can’t step on local LE’s toes that way..
diversions is an understatement. I thought Caylee’s case was a circus but it pales in comparison to this one.
Kyron’s case is getting just as bad..too many people wanting their 15 minutes of fame.
Kat said,
in August 21st, 2010 at 11:39 pm
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You realize that it is only a RUMOR that Teresa did not want to babysit that night, right? There is absolutely NO PROOF, at all, that that ever happened.
Matter of fact, given the fact that Misty and Ronald had just gotten back together, it would seem that Misty would want to do anything to stay on Ronald’s “good side” since he had just allowed her to move home after she had cheated on him. She would have been on her best behavior, not saying she didn’t want to babysit on her 2nd night back in the house and her first night watching the children, IMO.
“J”..it really doesn’t matter who did or didn’t want to babysit. I still believe that Haleigh OD’d. I don’t buy the kidnapping story and I don’t buy the Joe took Haleigh because he could find the gun story either.
Never did answer the questions. That’s was my bet.
Vaq @ 11:06
I agree. Le wouldn’t ‘drop it’ imo. But, I don’t know all the ‘facts’. Apparently someone here does. Maybe we will see more basis or not, either way I’m cool, I just figure it in my silly equation of things to be believed or not.
who is crayon boy?
Why didn’t anyone want to babysit Ron’s children? Aren’t there neighbors there that would do it? I know Ron worked nights but I know grandmotherly types here that stay up nights and babysit for people and in return the parent takes them shopping, mows their lawn and does odds and ends for them. Had anyone in that MH complex been asked if they would babysit?
crayon boy is TH, writeintoaction, “he who shall not be named,” the unmentionable
The child of a friend of mine was molested for several years, frequently at gunpoint. The police did little to investigate because the DA said that although they had no reason to doubt the story, they knew they could not win a conviction. In turn, the police did not open a real investigation.
In the context of the murder of HaLeigh Cummings it would be ridiculous, imho, to attempt to substantiate the allegations. Too easy for everyone to say that this is being done for the wrong reasons.
Morning, Cate. Sorry. I am not following you. Are you saying that Haleigh was taken to protect her or something like that? Or it’s too easy to allege that she was abused and no way to prove it? I’m sorry. I’ll get another cup of coffee and see if that helps!
m2c, I’m happy to explicate— it goes back to GeorgiaBoy said,in August 19th, 2010 at 10:04 pm … #5. … “Joe Overstreet has been accused twice of sexually molesting two other 5 year old girls”
There was talk about how, if this is true, why wasn’t it reported/pursued/LE all over it, etc.
My post was in response to that ongoing conversation.
Is it Folger’s in your cup?
Cate–I will remain steadfast in saying if JO has been accused of sexual molestation in the past, why did LE not doggedly pursue him when it pertains to the Haleigh case? Being interviewed a few times, at what length we do not know, and LE saying he is not a suspect or person of interest does not cut it for me, especially and because of this alleged incident. They cleared the RSos of the area pretty quickly, and they might have had one right under their noses, and one that was at the MH one time or another during this time. If true (about the sexual molestation in the past) it spells motive–one this case was sorely lacking and it also lends a tad of credibility (limited I might add) to Misty and Tommy’s stories. I do not care what jurisdiction he is in, he should be on the radar of LE. If true, this one explosive detail that could blow the case wide open, and one that shouldn’t be kept silent. JMO
robin, I do not know that LE has not doggedly pursued JO wrt HaLeigh; they have just not done so publicly.
LE would be wise “to play their cards close to their chest” and “not lead with their chin.”
JO is not an RSO; he is an alleged SO, that’s all GB told us.
Ron is playing everyone in this…why would joe need to be there ok to drop off some drugs? and why would ron say bi*** u let THEM take my kid? as in more than one he knew what was going on but he is playing this to the end..he is a felon and he should not have a gun in his home at all but there not talking about that he. knows this and they have told him about this that they would not charge him for it..im sure so ron knows what he is doing lol but he will not be judge here on earth my friends…but they will come where every one will bring out all the sins. that poor child and im talking about the missing baby…not the drug gang!!
Tobias,
I still stand by my opinions!
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