We have two great programs lined up for the weekend and hope that you can join us to not only listen but also participate.
On Saturday at 11am central I will be sitting down with my good friend Charlie Boswell of AMD. This man has the best job in the entire world, well except for me that is 
When it comes to making engines for computers there are really only two games in town, Intel and AMD. For three decades these two companies have been waging an ‘arms war’. Who can produce the fastest and best engines to put in that box on your desk. Today’s computers are far different from those in the 1980′s. Today’s user wants a box that does just about everything but make the coffee, and as the saying goes ‘I am sure there is an app for that’!
In my mind AMD have been more far sighted in recognizing the ‘multimedia’ potential of the computer, both at the home and commercial level. Music, Videos, Games, these are the apps of today. Charlie Boswell and his team are the people that pioneer digital music recording, movie production and special effects, his team is also responsible for the industry changing Fusion Render Cloud.
The odd thing is, Charlie is not a nerd! In fact he doesn’t much care for nerds. He just wants an easy to use end product. He will be talking to me about his involvement in the recent box office hit Predators, his long time collaboration with Dweezil Zappa, and his upcoming movie Machete.
To tune in, use this link.
On Sunday we will be running our regular program on the subject of Missing People. George and Cindy Anthony have once again opted to go on national TV to discuss daughter Casey Anthony and dead granddaughter Caylee Anthony. The sickly sweet interview was enough to make even the most rugged seafarer come down with a case of ‘Mal de mer’. In some quick discussions with one of our panel members today, I suspect that this interview is going under the microscope on Sunday.
Richard and Jessie Grund were both scheduled for depositions by Jose Baez yesterday. These were suddenly can celled, I wonder why? We hope to have the answer for you. Our investigative team are on it!
Today was a potential pivit point in the Haleigh Cummings case. The ‘drop dead’ date for babysitter/lover/wife/ex-wife/dope dealer Misty Croslin to enter a plea deal. Has she done it? We don’t know. The sentences handed down so far in the drug case have been brutal.
There was a vigil held earlier this week for Haleigh Cummings. Jan pointed out that it was interesting that none of Haleigh’s mother’s side of the family, Sheffield’s, Griffis’s, etc. showed up . Before you all jump down my throat, yes, I know that the vast majority of the Croslin clan are in jail, but they are not blood relatives. What happened to the Sheffield’s? Where was Chrystal?
In the search for missing Pearl River man Zachary Pittman there have been no hard developments, but we are hoping that mother Christy Ragas will be joining us to bring us up to date on the case. What happened last Monday is a good question.
An equally frustrating situation is brewing in Reno, Nevada with missing man Eric Preimesberger. We will bring you the latest updates, but I think it is fair to say that confusion rules. A series of email exchanges that we received this week, have me aghast. I am hoping to receive some clarification from the lead detective before we go on air.
The direct link to the program can be found here.
Update: we do know the reason for the Non-Depo’s of Richard and Jessie Grund. It is too funny for words! We will have the whole story for your amusement on Sunday’s program. I can only assume that Jose Baez and his dream team are just too busy filling in the expense forms for the tax payer to pick up than actually do any real work
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThanks Simon and Jan, I will have my seat to listen in this Sunday, very informative shows.
I have given a lot of thought to the fact that none of Haleigh’s mother’s side of the family attended the vigil and I have decided not to pass judgement on them.
I personally had a very difficult time at my brother’s funeral. He died while serving our country and I saw his body, but I just couldn’t bring myself to stand up and say anything in front of the people who attended. I shared my grief and my pain with God and my family. I also had a lot of good memories growing up with him as he was 15 months older and so many of those memories are close to my heart and dear to me and I wanted them to stay between him and me. Nothing bad, not like any dirty family secrets.
They don’t know if Haleigh is dead or alive, so I think it would be very hard to know what to say and having a camera in your face while you are suffering has to be difficult. Had they been trying to keep her picture in the media, I think it would be a different story.
Haleigh’s story is in the media a lot recently with all of the drug arrests and that has to hurt them too. Haleigh’s story has become such a twisted mess and trying to turn it around to being about Haleigh in an hour long vigil is an overwhelming task.
Ah ha! A new article!
Looking forward to the show Sunday!
In the “good news” department, Christy is not locked up!
Thanks Simon! Can’t wait to find out what reason Bozo may have given the Grunds for dropping them like a hot potatoe.
And not sure what to think about the Sheffields being absent from the vigil. I would think it would be important to be there. Especially if there is ANY chance this baby girl is alive. Personally I doubt that to be the case but if they are truly holding out hope as they indicate they are, then why would they not attend this event? Who is to say what any of us might do in this situation but me personally, I would have been there. I would want Haleigh to FEEL that I was keeping her memory alive. That I was doing everything I could to find her and that she knew I was NOT giving up hope. But that is just me.
Thanks again for the updates Simon! Keep them coming! And have you seen the mugshot of Tommy with no hair? If you thought his ears were big before! SHEEWWWWEEEEE! You could land a plane on those puppies! And his head is so…well….pointed! It looks almost like a bullet or a missle or something! And his eyes would make a bassett hound look happy! He looks absolutely pitiful!
Blaise – so what is wrong with a discussion, rousing or otherwise? This is a blog. That’s what we do. We discuss.
And I can guarantee you that if MY child was missing I wouldn’t care if my worst enemy planned an event in my child’s honor, I’d be there. Which is more important, your petty differences with people, or your child?
But as I indicated above, I am in no way trashing Crystal or family. To each’s own. I just know what I would do and that is all I can attest to.
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Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
Jan, would you remove my response @ 5:12pm please because it shouldn’t be there now – it both repeats Jules’s and responds to it so it’s not good in both ways. Thank you!
I actually don’t blame Crystal for not attending a vigil that the Cummings arranged. At the last vigil (in Feb) Annette Sykes read a “poem” that she had written that was very much a “slap” in the face to Crystal. After that why would she attend anything with them and give them another chance?
I would attend each and every event that was for MY missing child. This was an event held in a church, and was a chance to pray for her safe return. I would sit next to my worst enemy if it meant a chance to pray for my baby. I would do absolutely anything in the world for my children. If someone wants to sling perceived insults my way, so what, my child would be more important than anything else to me. I also do not think that anyone was purposely throwing insults at her or “slaps” in the face. If the Cummings family chose not to do so when they were seriously under fire from the Sheffield/Griffis family in the media early on, I don’t think they would wait and do it at vigils for HaLeigh. That is, of course, IMO.
Regardless, I am not Crystal and she is not me. I am sure she is remembering HaLeigh’s birthday in her own manner. I am sure she misses her and that HaLeigh’s birthday will be hard. I hope that she will celebrate it somehow in a way that includes Junior, maybe let him release some balloons like he did last year.
I also hope and pray that Crystal has kept Junior in counseling. He has been through so very much in the past year and a half.
J, would you sit next to or even be in the same room with the person(s) you believed murdered or helped cover up the murder of your child? Would you be civil to the person(s) that you believe murdered or helped cover up the murder of your child?
LadySadie,
I do not believe for one second that Crystal believes the Cummings are involved.
After the meeting when the families were called together at PCSO, Crystal left and said “Joe murdered my baby”. Tommy has been named a suspect. Crystal and Ronald have both been said to not be suspects. There is nothing at all to tie Ronald to HaLeigh’s disappearance.
I do not believe for one second, one millisecond that Crystal believes anyone in the Cummings family is involved. Someday maybe the proof of THAT will be shown.
I thought the concensus was that T did it (with or without JO’s help). So why blame the Cummings?
You think they covered up for T? I don’t.
Without proof I don’t know who is responsible and frankly neither does anyone else.
I think the sad fact is that no matter who is found responsible – a stranger from China, for example – some people will still blame R, TN, and AS simply because they want to – while handing out free passes for the “other” side. Without some kind of proof I don’t think that’s even realistic.
Ahhh, J, we all cling to beliefs that we need to in order to enable what we “think” happened to Haleigh be “true”. Have you asked Crystal what she believes happened to Haleigh?
m2c, I honestly do not think there is any “concensus” at all as to what happened to Haleigh. I think it is a very sad fact that no matter who is found responsible – a stranger from Japan, example – some people will still blame CS, MG, and JS simply because they want to – while handing out free passes for the “other” side. Without some kind of proof I don’t think that’s even realistic.
LadySadie,
The Sheffield and Griffis family have also stated the same thing that the Cummings family are saying, they will not believe HaLeigh is gone until shown proof. And that was after the family meeting at PCSO.
And yes, you are correct, sometimes we aren’t always able to say everything we want to say. I’ll leave it at that.
Happy Friday night, all.. HECKA storms here, again!!! Honestly, I am not taking sides with either the Hatfields or the McKcoys.. However, I will take HaLeigh, Junior, Layla, Austin, and Dillon, (I think is the name),Chloe, Jordan… their side. I am SO LIVID that these people chose to pro-create and put their selfish needs before those of their children. IF they were not so addicted to drugs, these children would have their parents, and these parents would have their children. I am totally disgusted with what their actions have caused… where is HALEIGH?? WHO could hurt a child and where is she? Just like Kyron and Sylar.. WHO can hurt a child and WHO would allow their child to get hurt?
Interesting that Mr. Werter has disappeared from the “social media scene” since Tommy’s sentencing. No more Facebook postings.
Come out, come out, wherever you are!
Saddening to know that little Haleigh is missing, and if the Sheffields side has a gripe with Ronald thats alright, but why turn the face against the rest of the family. the vigil was for Haleigh, not about petty differences.
Forced myself to watch that Ant interview and I came unglued about the part where George was describing Kronk not staying around and what he would have done. I would turn it back to him. He never stopped dead in his tracks when that trunk was opened at the towyard. Worse case of CYA I have ever seen.
Good evening everyone, I don’t know what has happened to Haleigh after all this time. When you are lead to believe one thing evidence doesn’t support the theory. My heart says she is alive some where but my brain tells me she has gone from this life.
j who is mr. Wetter?
LadySadie @ 6:56 – Actually I don’t know any bloggers who would do that. I only know bloggers who still consider a theory that revolves around some members of that side of the family. And there are some who think it’s quite possible that CS could have been a better mother. And that’s as far as I would go myself. So no. In this situation the ole’ tit for tat, nyah, nyah, nyah don’t work.
I still wonder about evidence that may have been missed @ The Groslin parents home while they were in hospital. I still hold the possibility that none of these people are involved.
Bio-hazzard said,
in August 13th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
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Hi Bio-hazzard,
Mr. Werter is Tommy’s attorney.
For awhile, he was posting on Facebook like crazy! He was also posting comments on his you-tube page if you can believe that. He was quite active on the social media scene.
If you go to facebook and search James S. Werter, you can read his wall. He was posted all kinds of stuff about Tommy and the case in general. It’s strange, IMO, to be posting about cases with which you are actively involved, but it is not the first time we’ve seen it in HaLeigh’s case. Prior to HaLeigh going missing, it is the first time I have ever seen it in my life… attorneys posting online about their cases.
J, Yea, absolutely prior to Haleigh’s case I have never heard of attorney’s posting online about their cases. I still have a real hard time wrapping my mind around that aspect of all this. I just can’t get where that is ethical or even legal????
Hi, Simon and Jan!
Thanks for the article!
I’m looking forward to the updates on the various cases you are covering. I am interested in what the panel will have to say about the Grund depos being cancelled and what their thoughts are on Cindy Anthony’s pathetic, delusional appearance on Today!
Also, very interested in the cases of Zachary Pittman and Eric Preimseberger. I hope Christy, Kay and Valhall will be able to make a guest appearance this Sunday.
The only thing about Haleigh (not side shows) is the vigil which was held in memory of her.
I can hardly wait until Sunday, 3 p.m. CDT…… the Radio Show and Live Chat. It will be my second time to be on Live Chat!
Later ~ ~ ~
I agree with you Bio-hazzard. It is simpler for police to zero in on family members or some close family friends in investigations. To me that does a disservice to the victim and their families. I know police have to eliminate the possibility that family is involved early on. What would it hurt to say publicly who is definately not a suspect, especially when it comes to family members? I have always wondered why LE had adamantly said this is not a stranger abduction very early on–even clearing sexual offenders within days. That is the part that has me so weary in this case, and why I think this case will stay unresolved. I do not know who is responsible, like everyone else here, but I can honestly say that a stranger abduction is a very real possibility for me, and one that I cannot shake because this is the modus operandi for a sexual offender. It scares me to death what this poor child might have went through (if indeed it was an SO) and it scares me to death we may never who is responsible or find this beautiful child because LE refuses the possibility that a stranger could be the culprit. I just pray that LE has the evidence to back up a nonstranger abduction. May the answers come soon and Haleigh finds her way home. JMO
I think Werter was out of town last week. You’ll have your chance to hear him some more. I understand he’s likely to appeal Tommy’s sentence. And somewhere down the road you’ll hear the real story (at least what he thinks is the real story) from SKB.
I personally think Tommy’s sentence was ridiculous. Despite the judge saying his sentence had nothing to do with the Haleigh case, we all know that he never would have been targeted if it hadn’t been for Haleigh. I mean, was he known by PCSO, before, to be have been a high level trafficker in drugs? No!. He was addicted to pills and a petty thief.
The day before he was sentenced a guy in Jacksonville who walked up and shot his best friend in the head a week after they’d had an argument was sentenced to 15 years. Now you tell me. Selling three hundred dollars worth of drugs (street value-pharmacy value, what $50 or less?) is as serious a crime as shooting someone, unprovoked in the head?
J thanks for answering my question. It is totally inappropriate for him to post any information on a public forum. I am shocked that he has not been disciplined. Like you said there are such crazy goings on in this case. So many distractions that pull our attention away from Haleigh.
Thanks again for responding to my question wii checkmhim out on face book.
Robin one other odd response was to deem this case a homicide. Well if it was a homicide were is the evidence + arrests. This tunnel vision seems to be responsible for other evidence. The families should have this lable removed from her file. They need not do it together but each family pushed to have this homicide label removed.
LadySadie said,
in August 13th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
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Definitely unethical (IMO) all the posting that some of the attorneys have done in this case.
Of course, what is Tommy going to do about it? He probably has no idea that his attorney opened a Facebook page, pretty much as soon as he took on this case, and really only posts about this case.
And we saw how well a bar complaint worked out for Crystal. What a nightmare.
I really can not imagine having an attorney that was blogging online about my life, my case, etc.
Contacting the law society in Flordia might be worthwhile. Not sure if flordia has a law society. you’d think the prosecution would contact some ethic review board.
It will be extremely interesting to know why the Grunde’s were not depo’d in CayLee’s case, Cindy (and somewhat Casey,too) have not just thrown Jesse under the bus, but I think blatantly have been pointing their finger at this family regarding CayLee missing for quite some time now…….
Regarding HaLeigh’s memorial, I truly do not believe anyone has a clue of how they would act until they live such a horrific life experience of losing a child. This is extremely personal to me, and I have shared it in the past, however my beautiful daughter died of cancer when she was 24yr old…. never a sick child, we were in denial anger loss grief, more emotions than I could ever begin to express. Since that time, the only thing I know for certain, is until you grieve and live the death of a child, or even a tramatic event in your life, no one knows how they will respond until they know that experience. It is something I would never wish on my worst enemy, yet at the same time I still have so much anger at people that do not recognize how sacred and precious their babies are and subject those children to drugs and dangerous enviornments. I guess what I am saying a memorial… I can’t imagine camera’s in my face or talking to media…… if I thought my child were lost, perhaps I would ask a friend to do so, but I was not strong enough, quite frankly not sure if I ever would be, and that is in no way a measure of the love for my baby.. For me what speak volumes is to continue to repeat the same insane cycle that caused the death/loss of your daughter and not think twice about exposing your 3yr old son to the same dysfunction, whether that was the mother or the father….
robin said,in August 13th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
ITA. I think it is a very real possibility. Let’s face it once a SO always a SO but once caught they get smart and really cover there “trail” well. 45 SO in what radius? That’s a lot of possibilities not to mention the transits that LE can not possibly have all checked out so quickly could they?
LE thinks it was an “inside job” because there was no sign of forcible entry. Some people overlook how this very conveniently pointed directly to R, M, T and J. Funny how they can be Masterminds of a crime that stumps LE for over 18 months but not smart enough to fake a break in which would have pointed to a stranger abduction. OMG.
As for the absence of Crystal and her family at the vigil,
It could be that they know the news media would be there waiting for more drama. It seems every time anyone is interviewed they end up in jail or under severe scrutiny.
She may feel a vigil is an acceptance of Haleigh’s death. She may not yet want to participate in it if she still believes Haleigh is alive and will come home. I can’t remember the last vigil given that the honored returned home alive and well.
There could be a number of acceptable reasons she wasn’t there, but it is a personal decision she made. Grief is a very personal thing.
I think we have to wait and see if she herself gives her reason before we decide if it is good enough for people to “forgive her”
Simon, I will be listening to your program Saturday. After years of problems with PCs I switched to Mac computers. So far I love them. But some things are not compatible with PCs. I might need one PC in my future. I’ve had both intel and AMD computers. It will be interesting to hear what AMD will have to offer in the future. Making coffee would be a definite plus. LOL
Jnet said,in August 13th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I am so very sorry for your loss.
I agree with everything you posted.
When my grandson was missing and later found, his mother or fahter would not speak to the media. They were so overwhelmed they just couldn’t and neither could I or the rest of our families. We held a private memorial with family and friends only and celebrated his birthday 2 months later, again with family and close friend only. Privately
The loss of a child is unequalled by any other earthly pain
Eric Preimesberger case: Eric confirmed dead
The Hinky Meter has reported.
I feel so sad for his family.
Bio-hazzard–I agree with you. What made LE change this to a homicide? I never heard Hardy say they have evidence to prove this a murder. He said something to the effect that he feels comfortable classifying this case a homicide. I would also like to know what it was to change the status of this case. Evidently, neither family (Sheffields or Cummings) knows the reason for the status change. I think both families deserve answers, and if they are not completely satisfied with them, then they need to demand to change it back to a missing child case. Amber Dubois’ family had to voice their dissatisfaction with LE publicly to get some action (even though the case ended tragically). I would like to see both families, together or separately, to demand those answers and not let LE be idle with Haleigh’s case. JMO
,Bless your heart barb, you know the pain of which I speak…… it is personal and so very private. When your heart and soul are so very broken, a media event is something our minds could not phantom. I am so very sorry for your pain, when we bury one of our babies, we bury a piece of our heart, and nothing not even time will fill that hole, yet we learn to move forward, a different person, but continue for the rest of our family. There is no other choice.
I am sorry, I absolutely am not trying to take any focus away from HaLeigh, I only ask that people reconsider, prior to judging, if they truly know how they would act if this were their child or grandchild. It is so easy to say “oh I would do this or that” but as you and I found out, you haven’t a clue until you know that amount of heartache. So please, posters, think a moment before you judge……
Oh JNet, so sorry for your loss.
Jnet said,in August 13th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
I full heartedly agree with your post.
You are in my prayers,God bless you.
Nanna Frances–Thanks for the info. What a sad day for Eric’s family. BarbinOhio and Jnet–I am so sorry for your loss and now I understand your passion for these children and this case. You are both truly remarkable women. JMO
Jnet–With your recent post, I think you are so very right. I have judged harshly about something I know absolutely nothing about. Until I have walked in the shoes of people who have lost children (which I pray I never do) then I need not judge how they honor their children or if they decide not to attend a vigil. Grief should be a private affair and should be the choice of that person. We all deal with grief differently and I will remember that next time I post. Thank you for sharing your experience and you definately made an impact on me and how I will perceive this case from now on. JMO
robin said,in August 13th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Thank you robin but there is nothing remarkable about me, I simply am a member of a club which I would pray would never have another member. Tonight I and I am sure Jnet as well as everyone else here, will pray for Eric’s family.
Thank you so much for your kind words… Please know it was not my intent, nor Barb’s to in anyway change the focus from HaLeigh.. I think we were only trying to share thru very hard personal loss, it is easy to say what one would do, however, until you experience such a tragedy, I doubt anyone could know.
I still have my anger, and I can’t speak for Barb, but more important to me than releasing balloons, a pray can be sent from your heart, I pray to God the Cummings Sheffields Croslins will finally know how fortunate they are to have those precious children in their homes, to love hold and nurture and I pray they will be raised with more love, safety, stucture and health in every manner, than they have experienced in the past. My heart breaks for those in the same generational cycle and pray HaLeigh’s loss will not be in vain.
Jnet said,
in August 13th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
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Of course you didn’t ask for kind words. That is what people offer when someone has suffered through a terrible loss. And our focus will always go back to HaLeigh, but we can always take a moment to offer kind words to someone in our BNN family, Jnet!
Not a day has gone by since I first saw HaLeigh with her amazing, huge smile that I have not prayed for her and all her loved ones. I pray first and foremost that HaLeigh will come home safely. If that is not possible, than I pray that she will be found and can be laid to rest with dignity and respect, and her family will have answers. I think the not knowing has to be torture. And I pray that torture ends for everyone that loves her.
Nanna Frances said,
in August 13th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Eric Preimesberger case: Eric confirmed dead
The Hinky Meter has reported.
I feel so sad for his family.
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Oh that is just awful. I only first heard about this story last week when I read Jan’s article, and then on the radio show. But that doesn’t take away from the sadness I feel for Kay and Eric’s family.
For those who have been following the Eric Preimseberger case (Reno, Nevada & Eugene, Oregon), I have very sad news.
Eric is confirmed dead. Please see this article recently posted by Valhall of The Hinky Meter.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/13/eric-preimesberger-case-eric-confirmed-dead/
The Hinky Meter by Valhall 8-13-10
“Eric Preimseberger case: Eric confirmed dead”
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Please remember Kay, Eric’s mother, and Eric’s family in your prayers. Kay received the worst news a mother could ever hear . . . her son (baby boy as Kay refers to Eric) is confirmed dead.
Hi, J!
I did not see your post until I just posted mine. This article has been at the bottom of my screen and has not been refreshed since I posted earlier at 8:42 p.m.
J, my heart just breaks for Eric’s family, especially Kay, his mother. He has two beautiful children and they are safe.
Kristi, Eric’s wife, and the children have been on the run for a long time. Tim, Kristi’s brother, disappeared a few weeks ago. I don’t know if he was on the run with Kristi and the children.
Earlier this evening, a family member posted on The Hinky Meter (Valhall) that Kristi and Tim were found and Tim confessed. They did not state what Tim confessed to.
Very sad and heartbreaking for Kay.
Hi Ann-Tx,
Wow a confession. I don’t really know all the details of the case, I had really just started to read up on it. Was Tim living in the area when Eric went missing?
I’m really wondering if Kristi has any involvement. Her behavior just doesn’t scream “innocent” to me. I hope for her children’s sake that she had nothing to do with their father, but she sure didn’t behave (from what I know) like an innocent person, but we shall see.
It is heartbreaking for Kay, and his poor children.
What a tragic outcome for Eric’s family. May God give them the strength to face the long road ahead and a future without their beloved Eric. Eric left a lasting legacy with his beautiful children. He will forever live on through them! My prayers will be for them and all the missing still needing to be found!
Looking forward to Sunday’s show…Thanks for keeping us updated Simon, Jan, and Panel.
I pray every night for Haleigh and all the missing. I could not even imagine how devastated I would be if anyone in my family went missing.
As for CS: I was not at the vigil, it is said she was not there. There could be a millions reasons why she did not attend. That does not make her a bad person, who knows maybe she was told not to attend by he counselor/therapist. If she has one, I don’t know.
I do know that when in therapy the therapist will tell you to avoid any and all things that may make you relapse…stressful situations and such. Haleigh missing and not knowing what really happen to her I am sure is very stressful for CS.
We don’t know who she really thinks took/murdered Haleigh. Yes, it’s been said she blames JO. But we don’t know what all LE has told her. Or maybe she or one of the children were sick?
We just don’t know, CS not attending is not what is important. What is important is to keep praying, to try and keep Haleigh’s face out there in hopes that someone may remember something and come forward since the main players all lie and are in jail, and IMO Ron is not any better than Misty…or any of them! He left Haleigh in Misty’s care knowing she was on a drug binge the weekend before, knowing she was using drugs, and from the sound of it He is just as bad as Misty if not worse when it comes to drugs. IMO, Not only is he a user/pusher he is also into his prize guns. Stuck one in his mouth in front of his 4 yr old son. Where is the logic in anything that Ron has done? Why put him on a pedastal when he is no better?
If CS did not attend, so be it move on I say because we or at least I don’t know why she did not/could not attend. I believe in prayer, and that can be done anywhere. It does not have to be in a church.
On another note, anyone notice Lisa Croslin’s drug charges? Her drug case has been closed! Lisa and Hank will be in Court on Aug 17, a few days before Ronald.
JMO
I am puzzled about how people can claim to have the children’s well-being at heart and still try to ignore, forget and make up excuses for a mother’s bad/illegal behavior and poor mothering. That is called “enabling.” That does not encourage change -change for the better anyway. No one with a drug problem or poor mothering skills needs to be enabled – encouraged to just continue behaving the way they have.
If she gets the idea that the public thinks her behavior (up to the custody hearing) is just fine then what’s the incentive to change? Very little. In fact I’d think there’d be more incentive to just try to cheat on the next drug test. Not try to get off drugs and put some energy into being a real mother.
Leave R out of the equation for the moment – he’s going to be out of it for decades anyway – and think about poor Junior and Chloe whose lives literally depend on that woman. A woman who has shown no signs whatsoever of sincerely wanting to do what it takes to be a decent mom.
I think anyone who truly cares about those children would be concerned and would NOT be trying to brush the truth – and reasonable concerns – under the rug. Continuing to blame the father does nothing to help the children. It’s irrelevant. But acknowledging the truth about the mother and making it clear that more and better is expected of her – well that might actually help.
I do really, really wonder why the Cummings and Sheffields are not waging an all-out campaign to bring HaLeigh home.
There is no credible reason to believe that she is not alive.
Makes no sense not to be looking hard and everywhere and getting her face out there.
Good morning all, m2c, I agree with most of your post. I wonder though how anyone can say for sure if she is or is not clean and sober. Do we know for a fact that she is not working her program? I am asking. I do not know, have not heard anything about cs other than she did not show up at the vigil. as madjg said, perhaps her therepist recommended that she stay away to avoid relapse. We just don’t know. I am not making excuses for her. I just think as many do that we should withhold judgment until we know for sure. If indeed it is any of our business.
What ever became of the rope and cinder blocks that were rumored to be found in the river? Were they found? If this is true, this may be why le has declared it a homocide. The one shred of truth out of tommy and mistys mouth. Is this possible? I can’t see any other reason for claiming it’s a homocide and even this is a stretch at best. Any one could have thrown a rope and cinder blocks in the river, although I can’t imagine why other than to weigh something down.
methinks said,
in August 14th, 2010 at 9:28 am
RE: the rope and cinder blocks, I believe AH is one of the few that was reporting the rope was found and he has now said they were not found afterall. I tend to not believe things he says anyway unless it can be backed up. It does appear that there was no evidence found in that river search.
methinks and J, Correct, there is nothing to back up the claims that were made about cinder blocks and yellow rope being found in the April river search. Yet another antic to muddy the waters?
Some people think there is still a possibility of a local SO being involved, I dont but if I did it would be Snodgrass that I would focus on. He has somehow managed to get out on bail for an offense that isnt bondable, has managed to tangle up the courts for 3 years and is just now going to trial(unless he can yet again get a continue) something is really wrong with his case. Cobra also proved his leg moniter was defective. jmo
tobias, wasn’t there something about Snodgrass watching HaLeigh jump on a trampoline, or was that another RSO?
Wow, tobias, I hadn’t heard about snodgrass’s monitor being defective. That to me is a huge RED FLAG. What is wrong with these people? I also don’t believe anything AH reports unless it is backed up by facts. Thanks for clearing that up about the river search. So why then did le declare it a homocide? on what grounds? I don’t get it. I also don’t blame the family for not believing it.
Wasn’t AH also the one claiming Haleighs bones were found before anything was proven? What an ass.
some light Saturday reading, compliments of googling Investigation Discovery… sorry so long….two things here: this was Ronald before we even knew who he was.. and this is the person that the judge apparently thought would be the better parent for HaLeigh and Junior……
Posted 02-14-09 03:52 PM
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Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON
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2005-01-07 9 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005.
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2005-03-03 20 DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
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2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
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2006-12-12 2 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
2006-12-19 3 ORDER TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
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2006-10-06 14 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-30-2006)
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I have a theory on why LE went along with the lie Misty and Tommy told. They had them talking and thats a good thing since they have lawyers its hard to get any info out of them. When you have kids that lie one way to confront them is to have them prove their lie and then show them why you dont believe it. Most of the time a child will feel they are against the wall and will confess the truth. Only thing is M and T just recanted and shut down. jmo
methinks, ITA, the family should definitely not believe HaLeigh is not alive unless they have been told something they have been able to keep quiet about. (Not very likely, imho.)
The PCSO has not release ANY evidence or reason to change the search for HaLeigh to a homicide, other than Hardy saying that he is “comfortable” with it. Heck, Misty’s attorney is, or at least was, “comfortable” as well. Let’s base this all on “degree of comfort?”
And ROFLMAO, re AH comment. Enjoyed your frankness.
Jnet, I truly agree with you and the fact that Crystal wasn’t at the vigil is not anyone’s business but hers. I wish people would not be so cruel to anyone in Haleigh’s family as no one knows what happened to her.
Jnet said,in August 13th, 2010 at 10:17 pm Regarding HaLeigh’s memorial, I truly do not believe anyone has a clue of how they would act until they live such a horrific life experience of losing a child.
cate, thank you…being frank is frankly the only thing left…to be frank.
I was watching NG, which I don’t do often, when AH said LE showed Misty some bones that they found in the river and NG immediately cut AH off and started saying Haleigh’s bones. Did AH actually reort that Haleigh’s bones were found? If so, I missed that. I am not trying to disagree, I am just asking as I never heard him say that I just heard NG say it over and over.
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methinks said,in August 14th, 2010 at 11:33 am Wasn’t AH also the one claiming Haleighs bones were found before anything was proven? What an ass.
methinks, frankness is sorely lacking in this situation! So refreshing to read a dose of it. Is your first name, by chance, “Frank,” or “Frankie?” Love those name, btw.
» Valhall said: { Aug 14, 2010 – 08:08:17 }
Just a snippet of information from Shantell’s cause page:
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/posts/521682?m=e34f5362&user_viewed=1
As of 8/13/10 we have confirmed with Law Enforcement that Eric has passed. His wife Kristi and her Brother Timothy are now in custody. They were located in Michigan with the children.
Just wanted to share that not only to update the readers on the case, but to show that those of you who were putting up flyers in the north-central states of the country were not doing so without reason! You never can tell.
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God Bless this family
The thing that I don’t understand is why cs came out of that family meeting proclaiming that jo killed her baby…unless le told her that. why?
I can’t imagine how anyone could hurt a child and so many children are hurt and the parents didn’t allow it to happen. I realize sometimes the parents are responsible and could have done something, but sometimes there is nothing the parents could have done. Children are abducted from the best of homes and the parents could not have known it was going to happen.
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in August 13th, 2010 WHO can hurt a child and WHO would allow their child to get hurt?
If Crystal thinks Joe did murder Haleigh she has to be upset with Ronald for allowing Misty into the children’s life and then marrying her.
If they believe Joe did it, it has to be hard for them to accept that Misty didn’t know and then for Ronald and TN to go on about how she was Ronald’s best girlfriend ever had to really hurt Crystal.
cate , my name isn’t frank although frankly there are times when I wish it was. I went to school with a girl named frank. It was her real name too. I also like it. Jules, your right. I believe it was NG who stated (without proof) that they were Haleighs bones. My mistake. I guess I just assumed since it was reported on her show that he said it. I might have known huh? alot of rumors get started onher show. Then dummys like me (frank) repeat them lol
jules, ITA
methinks said,in August 14th, 2010 at 9:05 am -
Absolutely nothing in my post indicated whether CS is clean or not right now because I have no idea. The point of the whole post was to say that I think it’s important for her to know that “we” (general public) are expecting that; expecting her to be/become a good mom. And I don’t think that denying, ignoring or forgetting her past (us or her) supports her in seeking a better future for herself (or her children).
And @ 12:24 – LE told the families whatever story they were acting upon so that the imminent search of Shell Harbor would not come as a shock to them. I guess it’s obvious they got the “JO did it” story.
I would guess that’s why CS said that when leaving the building.
Jules, I agree up to a point. I am basically speaking about parents who choose drugs over taking care of their children, or stealing, over take care of their children, or pro-creating and not taking care of their children. Yes, at times it is not in our control… but in this case, these players didn’t take their job of “parenting” in hand, at all.
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in August 14th, 2010 at 11:53 am some light Saturday reading, compliments of googling Investigation Discovery… sorry so long….two things here: this was Ronald before we even knew who he was.. and this is the person that the judge apparently thought would be the better parent for HaLeigh and Junior……
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I guess you missed the part of my earlier post where I pointed out that R – past, present, and future – is pretty much irrelevant now. Wouldn’t you say? And if you think the judge could make such a big mistake back then (giving R the kids), who’s to say a big mistake hasn’t been made again? After all, CS tested positive and got Jr anyway. I guess that’s how they roll in that neck of the woods. I just hope CS can pull it together for the children’s sake.
Jules @ 12:30 – I think that’s imagining a whole heck of a lot about what somebody else is thinking.
But while you’re on the subject, I will once again point out that if CS had gotten off her duff and drugs and been a more involved Mom MAYBE it would have made some kind of difference. At least little Haleigh might have had her mom in her life more often or MORE of a mom in her life. I’m sorry but the transformation of CS to martyr/sainthood is ridiculous – and not constructive imo.
In addition CS was engaged to someone else and having his baby so what did she care about R’s girl friend fps?
m2c, All I was trying to say is that how do we know that she “isn’t” attempting to change She may be doing just fine. We really don’t know.
methinks I did not say that she isn’t attempting to change. In fact I am assuming that she is. And I think it’s important for her to know that some people are assuming she’s trying to improve. Rather than think “oh, well. I can keep on the way I was (with drugs or lack of involvement in her childrens’ lives).
m2c, I agree, she should know that we, the watchful eye of the public are expecting change. We demand it. We insist on it. We will not allow anything less. However, I still think that she deserves the benefit of a doubt for now. As you stated to iloves, R’s past present and future is irrelevent, cs’s past is also irrelevent, but her future is what is important. I hope and pray as you do that she is able to pull it off and become the best mother possible for the kids. I will not assume anything when it comes to drug abuse and parenthood (I’ve been there) She better tow the line or she will hopefully lose her chance. I agree comepletely with you that the reins must be tight on her until she proves herself if that is what you are trying to say.
m2c, I want you to know that my opinion on cs has nothing to do with who I think is responsible for Haleighs disappearance, for the record, I do not think either one of them are responsible other than their addiction , and I would hold the courts more responsible in that regard.
Per radio from her site:
On August 20 JVM is planning a segment on “A Look Back on the Cummings Case” – barring no new developments… should be very interesting. Kim Picazio accepted an interview for this segment – so it should be a good one.
Wow vaq where did you read that? That outa’ be good!
vaq, nevermind you said from her site…oops
VAQ, TY For the info.
Well, I’m off to work. Will check back in later.
Can somebody please point me to the article/interview where Crystal says “Joe killed my baby” please. I have searched and can’t seem to find it.
Gosh, whylie, I do remember that was reported but I’d bet my bottom dollar it was only reported on Art’s site.
I was right,LOL
Exclusive: Will River Yield Haleigh Cummings Clues?
April 14th article.
I remember it, too, WhyLie and Vaq. Although in my mind I’m seeing it on a local news article (online).
Gosh knows I don’t know when I last read at AH’s site but I thought it was longer ago than that. Not sure though. I’ll help look.
Your welcome, tobias.
Vaq, Why does that not surprise me? I never heard her say it on any video. It does seem AH is really pushing that theory. Even when nothing was found and both parties recanted their story saying it wasnt true. jmo
I meant you’re..duh
Art depends on his ‘sources’ and we know how reliable they are LMAO
Here’s a mainstream article from that time where SH had to contradict AH’s claims about bones etc.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/23217461/detail.html
And for every 100 people who see things like yellow ropes and cinder blocks on NG and JVM, only 1, maybe, reads AH to learn “oh, ain’t so.” Hmmmmmmm…
Here’s the rest of the Anthony interview:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/8084345/21402325
Now Cindy isn’t sure if Caylee is alive..new spin from the interview yesterday.
Oh and dont forget the Joe is a pediphile with absolutely no proof other than Mistys say so and we all know she would say anything to take the focus off of the truth. jmo
Even Hank Sr. says that Joe is crazy! Must be true, must be Joe, case closed!
This is an excellent article . . . informative and educational. It is 4 pages.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100814/ARTICLES/8141011/1002
The Gainesville Sun Gainesville, FL
8-14-10
“Florida drug sentences too harsh?”
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It specifically discusses Hope Sykes and some of the other players. Very educational on Florida law!
Did anyone find anything on what it was that cs said about jo when they were leaving the family meeting with sheriff Hardy doodie? I remember her saying something about jo killed my baby or jo took my baby? Does anyone remember?
Cate (aka Kate) said,
in August 14th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Even Hank Sr. says that Joe is crazy! Must be true, must be Joe, case closed!
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And Hank Sr. is completely sane, riiiiggggttt! LOL
It’s on that Art Harris April 14th article,methinks
I always wondered who Ron was calling when he said on the 911 call that he had better people to call? couldnt have been TN since he called her right away otherwise she wouldnt have made it there so fast. Thats one of the phone records I would like to see. jmo
Tn herself may have said she got there in five minutes but she didn’t. It’s an expression lots of people use to describe getting somewhere as fast as you possibly can and maybe in a way that feels like five minutes.
But if you read the official written police statement/report of that night, the police had already arrived, interviewed R and M and done a bunch of other stuff before TN got there. It’s in the report. Read it.
And at all times he is clean and sober, too.
LadySadie said,in August 14th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
And Hank Sr. is completely sane, riiiiggggttt! LOL
Sad thing is most of the people in this case were not clean and sober for any amount of time.jmo
tobias said,in August 14th, 2010 at 2:45 pm Oh and dont forget the Joe is a pediphile with absolutely no proof other than Mistys say so and we all know she would say anything to take the focus off of the truth. jmo
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Actually, no. We do not – any of us – KNOW that M would do anything to take the focus off the truth.
vaquera said,in August 14th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
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Hi, Vaquera! I’m looking forward to Live Chat tomorrow.
I just want to let you know that Shantell’s mother died of cancer yesterday, 8-13-10.
Shantell is Eric Preimesberger’s cousin and set up the causes page. This comment was on the Hinky Meter (Valhall) yesterday:
MLR said: { Aug 13, 2010 – 02:08:00 }
Eric’s cousin Shantell ( she set up the causes page) lost her mother today to cancer. Please keep Shanell and her family in your prayers.
Here’s the Link:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/04/eric-preimesberger-case-keeping-his-story-alive/
The Hinky Meter by Valhall 8-4-10 article
“Eric Preimesberger case: Keeping his story alive”
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The comment by MLR was posted at 2:08 p.m. CDT and a few hours later Kay, Eric’s mom, and family were notified by LE that Eric was found dead.
She wrote the letter saying Joe killed Haleigh and dumped her in the St. Johns river, thats not the truth since they found no evidence to support it and both parties recanted their story. That is taking the focus off the truth whether she knows the truth or not. imo
It could be true – just no evidence found.
Also IF M does not know the truth, she might be desperately trying to spin some tale or offer some story possibly even hoping it IS true or will lead LE in the right direction – Why? To get LE off her back. She’s already tried telling them she doesn’t know. So I don’t think it can be assumed that she’s taking the focus off the truth on purpose – and certainly not whether she “knows the truth or not.”
That’s a little like having your cake and eating it too, isn’t it?
I think if you add time up from when the hang up was and from the call started , there is plenty of time for TN to arrive after 3:40
Not finding any evidence in the river means absolutely nothing to me. Haleigh’s tiny body and anything else thrown in with her could easily wash down the river and be lost forever.
As far as Misty and Tommy recanting their stories, who knows which version is true, if any?
Maybe they should have radio colared the gators then find out where thy go and searched their burrows. So as far as I know they haven’t done anything like that. I think Hardy may have jumped the with the bone they found. I hope he recants it so others will continue to look for her.
Shell Harbor is a mile south of Green Lane. The river runs north, slowly, regardless of what AH says, the St Johns is a slow moving river.
People were all over the river that morning. If Haleigh had been thrown in the river something would have been found, clothing, hair, something, imo. It was to cold for a gator eating “frenzy” as some want the public to believe.
I meant jumped the gun
I agree WhyLie , it is slow moving and actually not that deep at the dock. Actually PSO gave up looking after the third day. Why so much more they could do to find some evidence but just stopped looking.
Billybob said,
in August 14th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
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Speaking of stopping looking, I sure would love to know why Equusearch was sent away. Tim Miller in those first early days said that HaLeigh was “not there”. What exactly did he mean by that? Sure would be nice to know what he was thinking when he said HaLeigh was not there. There is no way that TES searched the entire area, so how could he state that HaLeigh wasn’t there unless he had some sort of information?
I know this information was discussed a lot early on, but I haven’t seen it lately.
Just a couple of clarifications here. Shell Harbor is actually about 5 miles by car from Green Lane, not one. As the bird flies it’s about 4 miles.
TC and MC have never recanted their Shell Harbor story. Actually MC didn’t know which boat ramp TC was referring to when he told her about as they walked down Tyler one evening. She thought he was referring to the boat ramp at the end of Tyler (which had been throughly searched by PCSO when Haleigh disappeared but they had never searched the Shell Harbor boat ramp before.)
Well, to be absolutely fair, it’s hard to tell with TC. He did reportedly write a letter to a relative saying he lied about the Shell Harbor thing. Tommy lies so it’s hard to know about him.
Yes J , Just if anybody would at least one time clarify what they are saying. Re. “Haleigh is not there”.
I say Tim Miller why did you say that and what does it really mean.
I spoke to a fisherman who was getting shrimp at shell harbor last week and I ask him his thoughts about where Haleigh was. He said he did not believe the Tommy story because he thought that would not be how guilty people would act. He thought the person that did this would be someone who would not put themselves in the spotlight, somone laying low. I agreed with him.
Billybob said,
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That sure seems to make the most sense to me, too. If you are guilty of something, why would you put yourself “out there”? What makes the most sense (at least IMO) is to lay low.
LOL, I agree with your first comment too. I sure wish people would just state exactly what they mean. It’s quite frustrating. When they leave these ambiguous statements hanging out there, especially one like Tim Miller did “She [HaLeigh] isn’t here”, it leaves us wondering, well where is she? And what exactly does he know? How does he KNOW that she’s not there? And why was he asked to leave?
So many questions and almost NO answers.
Ann – Tx said,in August 14th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
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Thank you so much for sharing this article. The laws in Florida for their min/max are still discretionary based on the Prosecution Attys office or how the police files will flow thru the system. I so disagree with the punishment HS was given, whether I think she is a belligerent obnoxious brat or not, 15 yrs in prison is insane for her case. Personally her demeanor and attitude would be extremely hard for any professional to want to treat, but that is no excuse for her prison sentence… other than she is RC’s cousin… if she were not, I would bet my life she would be sitting in treatment thru the youth offender program right now.
It is beyond my comprehension of what these drug sentences are meant to prove, other than alleviate some LE egos. Just my opinion. Everyone knows of the illiteracy and generational drug addiction of the Croslins/Cummings, however they are “smart” enough to live and withhold a blatant lie for 18 months??? I do not believe that for one minute. Sad to say, they (LE) will put these petty “drug dealers” away under severe prison terms, and let’s wait and see when we hear of anything more transpiring with the investigation or search for HaLeigh. It makes me so disgusted, however I am totally prepared for LE to claim the loss of HaLeigh as a “cold case”, just as they did with declaring she was a “homicide” and no longer a missing person. Just my thoughts of what will be in the media once all the trials or plea bargins or whatever for the pathetic four are complete and behind PRISON not jail, prison walls…
Jnet, if LE does ever declare Haleigh case as a “cold case” then everything they have is accessible to the public under the Sunshine Law.
LadySadie said,
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True. And I bet they do not want that to happen.
I believe if we ever get to hear the redacted parts of all tapes( UC and Jail) we may have a different opinion on the drug sentences. We never got to see Tommys tape and I wonder why?
Could it have been very inflamitory, guess we wont know until/if we ever get to hear it. We did get to hear one or two minor conversations they had about Haleigh with the UC, I just wonder what was said that was redacted because it may be used in court someday. And if you follow the time on the tapes alot was kept out.
In the jail tape of Tommy and Lindsy where she is telling him not to hang up and she knows that look, she is definitly putting pressure on him. And I believe it was pressure to say anything to get out of jail because she was not going to wait and be alone for 3 years. Go back when you have time and listen to them. Lindsy has been with Tommy since she was 15 she knows him very well. Tommy is not agressive, he is a runner, he runs from problems, thats why she knew he would hang up.jmo
Having this case declared cold is about the best thing that can happen at this point, and PCSO isn’t going to let that happen for as long as they can. Frustrating, wish there was something more us “Average Joe’s” oops, don’t want to be someone with that name right now, can do.
Of course, there is still a trial for Misty and sentencing for Ron, although nobody should be holding their breath for any new information to spill.
Tobias, really good point, “Tommy is a runner.” Wish I had time to listen to those tapes again but probably won’t.
Jnet said,in August 14th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
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Hi, Jnet!
You welcome re the article! I know Texas law very well but I do not know Florida law other than what I’ve read by following the Casey Anthony case.
I thought the article was excellent. I learned a lot about Florida law by carefully reading it.
I agree with your 8:42 p.m. comment. I do think the sentences of those involved in the drug bust are absurd! All of the sales were to uncover narcs or LE and not one sale was to individuals not associated with LE.
A few years ago I served on a jury in State District Court (Texas) regarding a drug case. The defendant, his girlfriend and her 14 year old son spent a Saturday night at a motel near my hometown and sold drugs for hours from the motel room. They checked out at noon Sunday but stayed in the area and went down a country road. The 14 year old was driving and the defendant and his girlfriend were in the back seat doing drugs. They would drive slow, park on side of the road, etc. Because it all looked suspicious, folks in the area called 911 and reported the vehicle and suspicious activity. LE went to the area and followed them for a while, with his vehicle camera rolling, everything was captured on tape. When they got to the city limits, they started throwing some drugs out of the window. They were stopped by LE and because of probable cause the vehicle was searched (they even gave permission to search the vehicle).
After all kinds of drugs were discovered in the vehicle and in the trunk along with luggage with thousands of dollars, the Narcotics Unit was called in and they took over the investigation. Everything was captured on tape with audio. All kinds of drugs were in the vehicle such as heroin, cocaine, meth, marijuana, liquid crack, etc. The guy was not a petty dealer. He was big time selling to individuals. Had they not spent the Sunday afternoon driving in the country and doing drugs in the town they spent the night in, they would not have been caught. They were from a neighboring county.
The defendant asked for a trial by jury with sentencing by the judge. We found the defendant guilty. The judge ordered an investigative report on the background of the defendant to be completed within 30 days and sentencing was scheduled for two weeks after the 30 days.
This guy had been in and out of prison for numerous things including attempted murder and many drug related felonies. Of course, we did not know any of this and it could not be disclosed during his trial.
I knew what the time frame was going to be for his sentencing and I watched for it in our local paper (being a small town, that type of thing is published in our local paper). That is when I found out about the guy’s background. The judge sentenced him to 26 years in prison.
The girlfriend was tried in a separate trial. I did follow that case. She was a first time offender and was sentenced to one year in county jail and 10 years probation.
I realize this is Texas and Florida law is different but I do believe and it is my opinion that the sentences handed down to Hope, Tommy, etc. are absurd. They did break the law. It is on video. However, I feel the sentences should have been far less than what was handed down.
The article really bring this to “light” and I like the analogies used. I saved the article since I’m following the Casey Anthony Case and Haleigh Cummings Case. Good info on Florida law!
Jan Barrett, Editor – BNN, wrote a beautiful article about Eric Preimesberger, who was confirmed dead by Law Enforcement on
Friday, 8-13-09.
This is the new case that Jan and Simon have been covering on Simon’s Sunday Radio Show and in articles.
Here is the Link to Jan’s article. Jan also included a handsome picture of Eric:
http://www.bloggernews.net/125073#comment-1729960
BNN article by Jan Barrett 8-14-10
“Eric Preimesberger May He Rest In Peace”
M2c _8:09 comment—I agree with you.
tobias said,in August 14th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
“I believe if we ever get to hear the redacted parts of all tapes( UC and Jail) we may have a different opinion on the drug sentences…”
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I thought even in our woefully imperfect criminal justice system that people were sentenced based on the crime it was proven they committed. Not on anything else. So I really wonder what would be in the phone calls that would legitimately affect their sentences.
I agree with Jnet and others that Hope’s sentence is horrible. The judge should seriously worry about his soul – if he even has one.
Hope got the min. of her sentence, she didnt get YO because she was out on bail just 2 weeks before back out dealing with the others.
The Judge didnt set the charges, he just followed the guidelines of the law. Why wasnt her mother more involved in what she was going to plead to? She sounded like she only talked with Hope that one time, she knew her daughter was not smart enough to know what she was doing yet she did nothing. Hope should have stayed out of trouble since she was on bail. jmo
Hopes senencing was to send a message to the rest…tell the truth or else. Tommys sentence was a message that this is what will happen when you lie to us. I shudder to think what will happen when misty gets sentenced unless she has some serious info to offer up reguarding HaLeigh. and it better be the provable tuth.imo
I agree, methinks. What makes me shudder is the thought that none of these people may have had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance, or know anything, but some people, including LE can claim a “clear conscience” in putting them away forever on the drug charges. It’s pathetic.
Also, Tobias, Hope was not convicted of the crimes she had just been arrested for. Remember, the little thing called a trial? And that annoying concept of innocent until proven guilty?
Anyone, including and especially a judge, would see that Hope needed help even more than a person who did manage to stay clean after having been arrested. That’s what rehab and YO programs were intended for. To help young people – but I guess not ones in the Cummings family or ones disliked by local LE and the victim of a criminally ineffective lawyer.
Why should Hope’s mother be blamed? She’s not a lawyer. Geeeeesh.
Hope certainly didn’t appear to want any help from her mother. The way she was talking to her mothe r, all she should have gotten was a slap in the face.
Really the last thing anyone should do is go out and do another crime when or if they are accused of a crime when they are on bail. The person who put up her bail is also out all that money they paid, because they trusted her to behave. Did you forget what Hope said about the YO? I believe in the case of rehab, you have to want help for it to work. jmo
Also I believe that the system is over loaded with cases that could go to YO and I would like that spot to go to someone who really wanted to change. Hope didnt. jmo bbl
Where was the help Hope needed starting on or before she dropped out of school in 9th grade? Why should anyone expect anything more of her at this point? Ridiculous. She was abandoned and condemned by the system long ago and the system’s just been waiting for its chance to lock her up ever since.
I mean aren’t she and M, for example, just society’s throwaway kids? Who become young people, who are then locked up. Obviously there are plenty of members of “society” who think that’s just fine and dandy. Not me.
I think it’s pretty obvious that Hope has serious problems and has not had help for them. In addition she was on the phone venting to her mom. Come on. Oh yeah, let’s give young people 15 years for venting to their mothers. Good idea. Geesh.
I think the word “justice” should be removed as it’s not even part of the concept of trials and sentencing. It should just be called the “criminal court system.” Justice has no relationship to it at all imo.
Venting to your mom, and direspecting her are two different things. Hope was being disrespectful. I’m not saying they should have locked her up for it. She definately got the shaft for her crimes. It’s bull.
m2c said,
in August 15th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Where was the help Hope needed starting on or before she dropped out of school in 9th grade? Why should anyone expect anything more of her at this point? Ridiculous. She was abandoned and condemned by the system long ago and the system’s just been waiting for its chance to lock her up ever since.
I mean aren’t she and M, for example, just society’s throwaway kids? Who become young people, who are then locked up. Obviously there are plenty of members of “society” who think that’s just fine and dandy. Not me.
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Whatever happened to PARENTAL responsibility? I took care of my child why should “some” parents get a free pass and not be responsible for their children?
If you want “society” to take care of all children then don’t whine when they are taken from their parents and put in foster care. It is very hard for social workers to remove children from “unfit” families because they take flack from “society” about “parental rights”. Well with those parental rights comes parental responsibility.
lady, Very very true. and I’m sorry to say, but where I come from children need disapline. A swat on the behind works wonders when childen don’t mind. DIAPLINE NOT BEATINGS! Don’t misunderstand what I’m trying to say, I believe Hope would have learned respect for her elders and for the law early on with some good old fashioned parental disapline. There is absolutely no reason why a child should be permitted to speak to an adult, especially her parents in that fashion. This all could have been prevented in her case. Okay now go ahead and verbally whip me for that. I stand by it and thats it.
methinks, I absolutely agree with your 10:54am post.
LS, I never said Hope’s parents did not bear responsibility cfor whatever happened when she was a child.
Tobias had said, ” Why wasnt her mother more involved in what she was going to plead to?” THAT is why I said how can you blame her mother for what the lawyer did!? Good gosh.
It’s pretty obvious that kids who drop out of school need help – all kinds of help – from parents and from society. Some parents don’t care or don’t know how or just can’t for some reason. And that’s why society should have ways to help. If society does not, then we can’t really complain later imo.
Thanks lady, still waiting for my whipping though. Some would not agree. There s a fine line between love and disapline and when found, the balance will follow.
methinks @ 10:54 am – You said, ” I believe Hope would have learned respect for her elders and for the law early on with some good old fashioned parental disapline.”
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I’d like to agree, and in a lot of cases it might be true but it’s a huge over-simplification. If a child is having problems BECAUSE of a situation at home or for mental/emotional reasons, then the typical parental discipline is not going to work.
Counseling and psychological help is needed for the child and often the parents/family, too. Sometimes the child should be removed from that home. There are a lot of reasons for problems and not all of them are solved by parental discipline fps.
methinks, seriously, I know you don’t believe that is the answer in every situation. And I’m sure you know that many parents do not know what appropriate discipline is.
It’s so easy to oversimplify and misplace blame.
m2c, your right to say kids who drop out of school need help. Kids are not old enough to make that choice. It’s a choice that affects their entire life. In minnesota where I live, they can charge the parents with truency when kids don’t attend school,yet they will allow them to quit at age sixteen without parents permission. This tends to remove parents leverage in my opinion. Parents need help from the community to keep kids in school. They need help from the state. I wish the answer were clear, but sadly it isn’t.
m2c, no, I don’t believe that it’s the answer in every situation. Obviosly there are kids who just need extra help in school. This is where communication between school and parents becomes vital. Learning disabilities can cause alot of problems but when identified early on, help can be sought, as long as nobody gives up on the children…or the parents.
methihnks, I agree. You said, ” Parents need help from the community to keep kids in school. They need help from the state. I wish the answer were clear, but sadly it isn’t.”
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That’s right. It’s not clear or simple nor is it always the parents’ fault and the parents don’t always have the answer either. That’s because the real problem behind the kid wanting to drop out is not being dealt with. So often it is not a matter of going to school or not, it’s WHY does the kid want to drop out? What’s going on? What’s wrong?
Getting their butt into the schoolhouse often doesn’t solve that underlying problem.
When I speak of disapline, I mean teaching children respect. Respect for adults and others in general. Respect for the law will come as an added bonus.imo
I agree m2c, there may be an underlying problem when children want to drop out. This is why I say communication between teachers, councelors, and parents is vital. Identify the problem early on can’t do anything but help.
Well, it sounds to me like Hope may not have had respect for much of anything since before the 9th grade and that’s when she needed help. Probably more than her parents could give – or the problem involved her parents.
I don’t know what we expect parents to do with incorrigible kids these days. They know their parents can’t hit them or they’ll go to jail for child abuse. Some kids and some families need help.
In this day and age to (a) blame the parents and (b) throw them or – later – the kids in jail is both archaic and ignorant imo.
I think also m2c, there are situations where the parent doesn’t want to involve outside help. for instance, in home alcoholism, child abuse, and other sh%#. so your right about that.for sure.
So what should schools do? Make it mandatory that EVERY parent of all its students have mandated weekly communication with the child’s teacher? If the parents fail in this mandated weekly communication then the school involves CPS and LE? Then if the parents fail in this mandated week communication remove the child from the home?
If you are going to put the responsibility of raising someone’s child on the school system then you must give them resources to fulfill this responsibility. If you are going to mandate parental/school communication then you need to pay the school employees much more than they are currently being paid.
m2c, who are you going to blame for not fulfilling the parental responsibilities on if not the PARENT?
Maybe every human being born should immediately have to undergo a reversible sterilization procedure and the only way to have it reversed is to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that that person will be a responsible, perfect parent.
LS, you said, “Whatever happened to PARENTAL responsibility? I took care of my child why should “some” parents get a free pass and not be responsible for their children?”
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That sounds a lot like a person who can swim and is in a lifeboat telling the others in the water -”Too bad. I got mine. Get your own. And your kids, too. It’s your own fault if you can’t swim.”
I just can’t be that way to others – especially children.
And I’m sure you know the answers aren’t always communication and there are and should be more resources provided by the community than just the school. The problem is so many people in the lifeboats don’t want to help anyone else.
That’s awful. And to gloat when they drown? That’s sick imo.
It is simple, go back to the way it was when I was in school.
You misbehave in school, you get the paddle.
If you get in trouble in school, you know when you get home your parents do not take sides against your teacher and you get punished accordingly.
If you have a learning disability you get extra help from your teachers, parents, siblings and friends.
Now days it is wrong to make a child behave and giving them drugs to calm them down is a cop out. I had to force myself to sit still and pay attention in church and school, but I learned self control.
Now the kids are in charge, not the adults because they know they can hollar “child abuse” and get away with anything they want to do.
I do not think a swat on the behind or a few swats with a paddle are child abuse, but I know lots of liberals think it is. To me child abuse is beating with fists, hitting a child in the face, chaining them up, starving them, locking them in the closet, etc.
So, m2c, what EXACTLY is it that you want “society” to do? Spell out a plan, the tell what YOU are doing to make sure this plan is enacted.
m2c, so what do you think we should do as a society to help these kids? My only original arguement was that I do not and will not accept the way Hope was speaking to her mother. thats it. She may have been failed by her parents and the community,if so, I don’t have an answer. I truely wish that I did. I wish that I could take every child out there into my home and love them as I was loved or the way I loved my children but alas, I cannot. I only know that when I was a child,if I smarted off to my mother, I got a swat. I learned quickly to respect adults.My children learned the same. All three of my children were ADHD. Between the school, the doctor, and my willingness to be involved, my children thrived and became respectful members of society. thats all I’m saying.
methinks, I understand what you’re saying. I was raised the same way (got swatted or my bum spanked, too, dru, just so you know that I’m not THAT liberal! lol!)
But as you pointed out methinks, you got help from the school and doctors AND did your part. And I agree that Hope should not have smarted off to her mother. That was one of the factors in her behavior that showed she has major problems. Problems that I am guessing may have started before she dropped out of school.
That should have been a huge clue to all the adults in her life that something was really wrong. That’s when some agency needs to step in and see what’s going on and help if possible. And the same should happen when a child is expelled. Talk about free passes! I’m not saying to force the school to keep the child but that it’s another time when adults need to step in to deal with whatever the problem is. I really think if we did that, then fewer young people would be locked up later.
LS, you asked what are my ideas? I don’t want to ask more of the schools and DCFS is woefully underfunded and understaffed as it is. I’m sure all of my ideas would cost money although I’m not sure whether it’s more less than it costs to lock these kids up later on. And I’m sure none of my ideas would and see the light of day thanks to voters like you – who already have their lifeboats and don’t care who else drowns.
m2c said,
in August 15th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
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So in other words, you want “someone” to do “something” as long as it is not YOU.
And talk about making a judgement “voters like you – who already have their lifeboats and don’t care who else drowns.” You have NO idea how I vote or what organizations/committee’s I belong to that ARE trying to make changes in the social services of our state.
What exactly are YOU doing besides criticizing people on the internet for not doing what you are NOT doing.
For some reason florida has alot of children who are being left behind to fend for themselves. I don’t know if it’s because of underfunding or what the reason may be but I know that it’s coming back to bite them on the ass in reguard to HaLeigh Cummings.jmo
How many needy children have you opened your home up to as a foster parent? Or do you just think “other” people should be foster parents that you can then later criticize because they are not as “good” as you WOULD have been?
LS, I based my opinion on what you said, ““I took care of my child why should “some” parents get a free pass and not be responsible for their children?”
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As far as asking me what I’m doing? I’m advocating for programs to help children and families. Programs that help kids now AND in the future. I am NOT going to hinder or discourage such efforts just because my family doesn’t need the help.
As for the rest of your comments at 12:30 and 12:33 – the whole foster care system as well as the way children are treated in general needs a major overhaul and the rest is just too silly to respond to.
mkethinks @ 12:31 – That is so true and not just of Florida. Stupid politicians get voted into office by placating the ininformed or uncaring public with immediate “remedies” like mandated sentencing and more jails instead of programs that can help reduce the need for both in the future.
m2c, for sure.
I’ve noticed since this case that here in Mn the courts tend to over use foster care. Kids get bounced from one home to another, treatment center to treatment center when finally at age 18, they get a short stint in jail or a year in state prison and thats what it takes to shape them up. some but of course not all.
I would hate to have to grow up in this society today. It can’t be easy. Everything is different. Parents are different, laws are different, and the drugs are different. Things are getting out of hand. Parents can’t disapline due to threats of jail, schools can’t disapline due to threats of parents. Children can’t pray or say the pledge of allegience in school due to political bull. It’s insane to expect the world to run smoothly anymore.
If “society” is to help these children and help their parents learn how to be better parents, just WHO is “society”? If you are not out on the “front” lines putting your “money”(self) where your mouth is, what real good are you doing? It is one thing to “advocate” which could mean I write on blogs that I think “something” needs to be done, and a totally different thing to actually go out into your community and work with “bad” parents to teach them the skills they need to be “good” parents. A totally different thing to take these unruly children into your home when their parents are unwilling to change.
Why should some agency have stepped IN when her parents should have stepped UP? I am sure I knew when I first started talking that I did not speak like Hope did to my mother or anyone else. I was taught to respect my parents, my teachers, my siblings, my friends and most importantly myself and to pay for my own mistakes.
How would this phantom agency have known Hope was not behaving? Her parents should have spanked her behind the first time she refused to behave and if the teachers, starting from pre-k had the authority that they used to she would have been punished the first time she smarted off to one of them too.
The problems with this whole generatin are now blamed on the government because “some agency” failed to show up when they should have.
Once again, I do not believe in child abuse but I know when children get the upper hand at school there is not a lot a teacher can do except try to help the ones that want to learn and pray for the ones that have never been taught to behave. Teaching a child manners and respect has to start at home from early childhood.
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m2c said,in August 15th, 2010 at 12:17 pm That’s when some agency needs to step in and see what’s going on and help if possible.
methinks, don’t know what state you are in but in Florida in the public schools I work in we say the pledge of allegiance at the beginning of every day. We also sponsor before and after school prayer groups, no public schools cannot have “organized” prayer times during school “hours”, but teachers/staff can sponsor outside of school hour prayer groups/clubs on school property.
dru said,
in August 15th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
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Amen and double amen!
Children are taught that fighting is wrong yet as soon as they take off their cap and gown after graduation, someone tries to put a military uniform on them and hand them a machine gun in the name od homeland security. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in protecting our backyard and have nothing but respect for our fighting soldiers but geez where does it end? My brother died from injuries suffered in Iraq. Nothing changed. Our brothers and sisters are dying and we can’t even keep our little ones in safe loving homes and schools. Meanwhile, the politicans keep cashing their fat paychecks they earned by lying to the american people. sorry, got off on a rant.
I live in Texas and we place our right hand over our heart to pledge allegiance to the flag, we pray to God and thank God everyday for all of our blessings.
ls, I live in Minnesota. They don’t say the pledge of allegience, and I can’t be sure if it’s changed, but no prayer in am either. We did when I was little in Florida too.
Maybe I should take that back. I guess when I entered jr high, they stopped both. They may have reconsidered since. I will ask my grandson if they do now or not. That was a pretty bold statement to make without being positive.
methinks, I lost a brother in the war too so I can understand your rant. I had better get busy, but I wanted to say may God bless you and your family for your sacrafice.
dru, and to you as well.
dru and LS – it’s really easy to pretend there are no solutions and just say it’s up to the parents and wash our hands after that. I think that’s pretty much why there are so many problems in society and why we need so many jails.
It’s harder to think of ways to help make positive changes and work towards them but I think it’s worth it. So I’m not going to give up.
I mean whatever happened to “it takes a village” and “no child left behind?” Oh yeah. “Well, not if it’s THAT child or THAT family or THAT problem or MY money.” That’s shameful imo.
How can we expect a safer society or better future for children with that attitude? (it’s a rhetorical question. The answer is self-evident)
m2c, I never said there are no solutions, and I never said that I don’t work towards making positive changes. I don’t just “think” of ways to help to make positive changes, I put to use my skills, time and energy to make those changes happen.
What I asked was what are the changes you think need to be made and what are your actually physically doing to ensure those changes come about.
LS I don’t have to answer such questions especially from someone like you who doesn’t even agree with the idea of helping children and families, who thinks the ONLY responsibility falls to the parents and if they fail then the kids fail and well too effing bad about that. Don’t help when the kids are 6 or 13 or 15, wait and lock ‘em up for a decade and a half or MORE when they’re 18! You’ve made your feelings very clear about that and apparently enjoy seeing the punishment meted out if your comments on the subject here are any indication. Thank heaven I can’t even relate to that point of view.
You just try to offer help and see if they dont threaten you with a law suit. Unless the child or parent has done something wrong under the law there is absolutely nothing you can do.
Just try to offer advice to a parent of an unruley child you will get told where to stuff it. The new word for it is self entitlement and its running rampant in our country. jmo
Someone like me, m2c? You mean someone who has been a foster parent for over 20 years? Someone who volunteers to teach literacy programs to adults that are illiterate? Someone who works with young adult dropouts to get their GED’s?
Do you really think that the Croslin or Cummings parents care about how their children act, or care whether or not they get an education? Any parent who allows their special snowflake to talk to them like Hope did, or drop out of school after elementary school is not worth the powder it would take to blow them away. They are responsible for these children-bottom line.
Would they avail themselves of any social programs? Heck,no!
By 18 years of age these special snowflakes have made their mistakes, and if they break the law, they should be held responsible for what they have done.
I totally agree with you, Tobias!
And yes I totally worry that someone elses bad parenting may some day affect one of my children who I have painstakingly raised to be excellent citizens. jmo
I think the bottom line in all of this is this, Hopes bad behavior and big smart mouth got her locked up. Was it partly due to her upbringing? perhaps. Were there red flag in her adolescence that were missed? maybe. Was her sentence unfair? I think so…but at the end of the day, it still comes down to the fact that Hope did this to herself.
It’s 4 minutes till showtime! It should be good. I wish I wasn’t afraid to chat live, but each time in the past that I’ve tried, I’ve ended up infected with a virus. so I’ll just listen and read the comments. It’s usually pretty funny! You guys really crack me up!
m2c & methinks… I agree… but this conversation is getting too close to a “political” debate so I will refrain from adding anymore comments to what both of you have addressed..
LadySadie I do have a quick question (and I know you are a Florida girl
) IF HaLeigh’s case is delared a cold case, you said all the info would have to be released to the public due to the Sunshine Laws. As you know there are several tapes, calls avaaiable today, yet the media is no longer interested and the cost is prohibative.. if a case is delcared cold, does all this info still require monies? Or is it free to whomever requests? THANKS for your input.
Jnet, I believe that there will still be a cost involved in acquiring the information.
Even under the Sunshine laws there are costs entailed by anybody requesting docs, etc. From what I am seeing costs can vary from county to county.
If Hope’s statements to her mom made during a visit were taken into consideration in her sentencing, then by goodness her statements made during that same visit stating clearly more then once, that she did not understand what her lawyer was doing, should have also played a part in her sentencing. Did the judge not hear that part of the tape? If he did then why didn’t he stop the proceedings and make sure that this undereducated, drug addicted, teen, DID understand what was going on, before he tossed her in PRISON for 15 years.
LS @ 2:17 -So when you said the following, you were insincere and intended to be argumentative?
You said, “Whatever happened to PARENTAL responsibility? I took care of my child why should “some” parents get a free pass and not be responsible for their children?”
Wow. That puts the lid on the jar for me.
What a waste of time.
Since we dont have all the coverage of the court sentencing we dont know what was said by the judge when she took the plea and signed the papers. If we did it may show things more clearly. imho
From what I remember of the sentencing, Hope wasn’t paying any attention to the judge.
Academic Programs:
Adult Basic Education
General Educational Development (GED)
Special Education Screening (Child Find)
Special Education Services
Title I Services
Volunteer Literacy Program
Vocational Programs:
Cosmetology
Drafting Architectural
PC Support Services
Equine Care Technology (Main Unit and Work Camp)
Small Gas Engine Service (Main Unit and Work Camp)
Substance Abuse Programs:
Modality I
Chaplaincy Services:
Chapel Library Program
Faith and Character Based Dormitory
Religious Education
Worship Services
Institutional Betterment Programs:
100-hour Transition Program
Aerobics
Alcoholics Anonymous
Fresh Start Smoking Cessation
HIV/AIDS/STD Awareness
Inmate Fitness
Intramural Sports
Law Library Program
Library Program
Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction
Parenting
Step Aerobics
Wellness Education
Women Helping Women
Yoga
These are the programs at Lowell prison. Just so everyone knows . jmo
In my opinion if it wasnt made so you couldnt leave every now and then I would go there for a short stay. Sounds pretty nice except that you cant leave when you want to. Wonder if they have a pool? jmo
All I can say is that if you truly believe our prison system in the US is nothing more than eating bob bons, watching your favorite show on TV, and rushing your chosen sorority before selecting your college courses for the following semester, we are just miles apart in our thinking. The repeat offender percentage in addition the almost instant contact with drugs (assuming they ever stopped using in prison) are just a few of the reasons I fault what I perceive to be a system that just is not working.
I respect your opinion, and hopefully we can agree to disagree. I have nothing more to say on this subject, as my passion may be misconstrued as argumentative.
When is Hopes appeal to be heard? Anyone know the status of it?
Jaba, Dont know but she did file for one. And while she is in Lowell I hope she takes advantage of the substance abuse programs(rehab). jmo
I can’t fault Crystal and her family for not attending the vigil. Everyone grieves in their own way. I suspect this family wants their privacy. I can’t criticize them for not putting themselves on public display.
Truly, I think the public needs these vigils more than the families do.
If the Sykes-Neves family wants to be public, fine.
Why criticize those who won’t or can’t participate?
I don’t see a need for these public displays, anyway. I assume the Sheffield/Griffis family feel the same.
No, m2c I was not being insincere or argumentative when I asked what became of parental responsibility. I just happen to believe that helping young adults (some of whom are already parents) get their GED’s (and hopefully get further education) helps them contend for better jobs, and also helps them become better parents. I also think as a foster parent I provide a safe haven for teenagers while their own parents are either in rehab or working with social services to become better parents and are able to take responsibility for the child again. Any way you look at it, responsibility, respect and education have to start at the home and too many people now feel entitled to go do whatever they want because “society” will take care of their children so why should they bother.
Imo, there is alot of talk and little action from many people on the net concerning the issues these cases bring up. So many ‘experts’ and ‘fixers’, but nothing gets done because its all talk. Jmo
The law is the law, if u want it changed u have to make a plan of action and advocate until its fixed. Anyone here started that type of plan in motion to fix things?
I know obama ordered a report on min/man and people take both sides of the issue, but who is actually ‘working’ towards changes in those guidelines currently, or will next week?
Jaba, Do you believe Misty will plea? I dont, I believe she now feels trial may be her only chance, Tommy getting 15 years, she has to feel if she pleas she is going to get the book thrown at her. JMO
T,
Hard to tell. If I had to bet, and it would be a small amount, I’d say she takes a plea to get it over with. Imo she has no shot at getting off cleanly.
With that said, I’d love to the trial play out.
jaba said,
in August 15th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
The law is the law, if u want it changed u have to make a plan of action and advocate until its fixed. Anyone here started that type of plan in motion to fix things?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’re correct! I did just that when it came to my son’s issues. I remember being thanked by numerous parents, because I made it clear that there was a bigger picture.. it wasn’t just about MY Boy!
Unfortunately, Jaba, the sentences for drug offenses are state initiatives, whether I believe Florida’s statues to be wrong right or indifferent, as a non resident I am not entitled to vote on these issues, as they are not federal laws. I am pleased in my state, due to the epidemic of drug addiction and offenses created under the influence or to support a habit, trafficking , new laws have been passed to put more emphasis on rehabilitation for youthful offenders (up to age 26) than basic incarceration.
Regarding your second point, I personally would feel extremely hypocritical if I did not in some way support or donate my time, effort and monies for those precious children in harms way that have no voice. However I am in a position to do so, and for others that may not be as fortunate, yet say their prayers and thoughts for these missing children, their words and efforts are just as meaningful with principle and conviction as what I or anyone else contributes.
Did you see my post above about the programs at Lowell? There are programs for substance abuse and many other good programs. It is not basic incarceration. jmo
Tobias…LOLOLOL
and all kidding aside, how many parent/teacher conferences do you think Hank/Lisa and Chrystal Sheffield attended? Hope’s mom? And then there’s Tommy/Lindsy…..THIS, my friends, is how children begin to slip through the cracks..
Hey Jaba, missed you!
Probably none.
Yes Tobias I did see the list you provided re classes, and I responded to your post. Did you read my reply? I respect your opinion, we obviously are at polar opposites in our thoughts, however it is always enlightening and an opportunity for me to grow listening/reading different perspectives.
Hey ils!
The wife let me have a girlfriend so I’ve been spending time with her.
She’s a BMW.
Jnet, I do believe the 15 years was too long but its the law, does it need changed? I cant really say since I am not an expert and I will leave it to them. I do feel that if the person in Lowell wants to come out a better person all those programs can make it possible.jmo
Perhaps prison is like life, its what u make of it. I am just guessing, I’ve never been a prisoner.
gonna just throw something out….. does anyone here think that HaLeigh was taken be a SO? IF this were to be the case…. now what??
JMO No I do not believe HaLeigh was taken by a SO.
I don’t think so either.
Texas, Granny? why or why not…
LadySadie, yes the way it looks to me you were being purposely deceitful and argumentative in your posts to me. Apparently deliberately representing the opposite position from what I was expressing and you continued to do so for many posts. I have no idea why you would work so hard to undermine a point of view that you later claimed to support – except that you enjoy arguing with me in particular.
A lot of people read here and I only hope you haven’t done any damage to the whole idea of helping children and families just to attack me again. Next time do it via PM. Like last time. Others don’t need to hear that carp.
Oh, unless you were looking for a reason to justify listing all your activities. Next time, just go ahead and do that and we’ll all say “ooh and ahh and wow aren’t you a terrific person” without having to go waste time on the rest of it – or on an insincere discussion. I’m not competing with you and I don’t need that kind of public admiration/approval.
Jaba, you have no idea what individuals do in their own lives to help people or change things. Talking on a blog CAN help – bring awareness and encourage others to take action – so it’s not all hot air (except sometimes apparently – when someone participates for the sake of argument or self-aggrandizement).
What a waste. Goodnight all.
Off Topic:
Hi,Vaquera!
Per our Live Chat “discussion”, here is the Link to the raw video of the Emma Thompson (Houston, Tx) Victim Impact Statement. The video is about 7 minutes.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7552449
KTRK (Ch 13) Houston, Tx 7-14-10
“Mom gets 20 years in daughter’s death”
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Ben Thompson, Emma’s father and ex-husband of Abigail Young, really let Abby have it!!!
Laurie Thompson, Emma’s paternal grandmother, spoke after Ben. She was outstanding . . . spoke very eloquently. Listen carefully to what she has to say. Her statement made me cry when she talked about Emma. Laurie also let’s everyone know about the real Abigail Young!
You might want to play the tape twice.
There is an article with the tape. If you look below the Victim Impact Statement video box, there are additional videos. I think there are 7 more. They are from the trial. Each one will have an article. In one of the tapes, when the Judge reads the verdict: Guilty, Abigail’s knees buckles and she has to sit down. Starts crying. Those tears are not for Emma. They are for herself because she knew her luxury lifestyle days were over and she is headed for prison. I checked the jail inmate info last night and she is still in Harris County jail. I think Terri Langford with the Chronicle will do an article about Abigail when she goes to prison. She won’t go until the request comes from TDC.
Terri Langford, Houston Chronicle reporter, did some great articles. I think you said you followed the case on the Chronicle.
Other TV stations in Houston and Bryan covered the trial also.
Lucas Coe’s trial starts 9-13-10 in Harris County, Tx. Now that is the “big” trial we’re waiting for.
I do not personally know Abigail Young but I know her mother, Margie Routt Young, real well. Also, all of her uncles (Margie’s brothers). One lives about 4 miles from me. He is close friends with my brother.
It is beyond the local folks in Washington County how Margie could have raised such a monster of a daughter!
Emma is buried in a cemetery in Brenham. I visit her grave often when I go to visit my maternal grandparents grave. For Christmas, I put a beautiful bouquet of silk flowers which I arranged. They were perfect for a 4 year old. Emma would have loved them! I used floral pics with age appropriate things!
Margie is CEO and on the Board of Directors at Scott & White Hospital Foundation in Brenham, Tx. She testified for the defense (her daughter, Abigail) and the Prosecutor had to repeatedly question her about the autopsy report regarding the injuries that killed Emma. She was in denial and wanting to protect Abigail!
Our local newspaper printed an article about her being found guilty and they left out one pertinent sentence. I submitted to the Comment Board and much to my surprise they printed it. The editor of the local paper retired and he and Margie Young are buddies. He’s on the Board of Directors of Scott & White Hospital in Brenham.
Oh, small town politics!
Are you going to follow the Lucas Ruric Coe trial? The media will be all over that one. After he is found guilty and hopefully gets life without parole, Emma can rest in peace!
OH sorry ILTSMM, I am in and out trying to get ready to go over to daughters for dinner. I will get back with you on that I promise. LOL You would ask for an opinion to support that comment. BBL. LadySadie, you sound like a wonderful caring person… I just wonder why you are sooo not that way to many of us that post with you day in and day out. I am not trying to get in on any disagreements. I just wonder why? BBL
Someone ask above, as I have before, I “thought” HS was appealing her sentence, yet I “thought” the time allowed for appeal was 30 days post conviction.. she was sentenced in April, and I can find nada on whether she did or did not appeal, and if she has been assigned a new attorney.. note all my “thoughts” because I have not a clue and can’t find any info on the net. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you!!
it gets hot in the kitchen, doesn’t it?
Ann – Tx said,in August 15th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
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I wanted to let you know I find your posts so informative and great insight.. Thank you for sharing, I truly appreciate your contribution!!
Have a great evening all!
Whylie probably has an idea of where the info is, she was the person I learned it from.
Hopes appeal, that is.
Thanks Jaba.. hey are you making dinner tonight, hence getting hot in the kitchen
BTW I am 3 away from my goal, still have your advise hanging in the den TYVM for your help!!
Jaba… lol… yet again…
how’s your new car??
UCN: 542010CF000143XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: APPEAL
Defense Atty: BEECHING, MARCELLA ANN
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: SYKES, HOPE A
Hope this helps, her docket says appeal not closed case. jmo
Ils…like a typical guy…- love it!!!
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T, thx for that info.
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Jnet, good for u!!!!!!! I do cook….or should I say, I ‘heat’ food.
Tobia, Thank you so much, but to be honest with you I haven’t a clue of what that means… she was arrested 1/21 and her case in under appeal, I get that… I wonder who is reresenting her on appeal, and what was disputed.. very interesting! Too bad the media has such little coverage on this case, however if Casey Anthony hiccups it is breaking news.
Thank you Tobias for sharing HS’s info!
LS,
I’ve seen u post for the months I’ve been here and in the context I view things from, I disagree with the folks who are saying negative things about u. Jmo
I don’t always agree with them but I don’t believe them to be bad people at all. Folks just see things and stand for things differently.
Just my 2 cents.
Let them all appeal until they have none left and if they weren’t wronged, then let them serve out their time. I’m ok with the appeals and what it costs, no matter how frivilous it is. If they were done wrong, then let’s remedy it. If not, back to the cell.
I’m sorry I keep thinking I am going to sign off… Tobias I saw the name of the atty the second time, I will google and see what I can find out about this atty.. just going by memory (which can get me in a lot of trouble
) I thought that was the original atty HS was assigned. Absolutely I need to read again and stop asking questions! Thanks for your patience with me.
07/16/2010 72 MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME (8/13/10)
07/22/2010 73 COURT REPORTER’S ACKNOWLEDGMENT
08/05/2010 74 PROCEEDINGS HAD ON 03/31/10
08/05/2010 75 PROCEEDINGS HAD ON 04/27/10
08/10/2010 76 INDEX TO RECORD ON APPEAL MAILED 08/10/10
According to the posts above the dates are for her change in plea to no contest and her sentencing. So I believe if I am reading this docket correctly Hope is appealing because she has a problem with the plea change. And from the docket she will have a different PD since after this was filed the other one asked to be taken off the case. jmo
jaba, thank you for your kind words. I think some people just find being challenged in their beliefs unpleasant.
Hey Lady…. I just want to say hi ya and you know I love posting with you here and in the chat…. how is your weekend?
iloves, weekend was good, yours?
Love posting with you too.
Hi everyone, I am not sure what is going on in here but please remember that we do not want any arguments going in here if possible. I am asking all involved to please drop whatever the problem is.
If you want to argue please go to the forum and do it in private, not in here.
Thank you all in advance. Have a great night. I am going to sit and listen to the rain and thunder we are having right now. It seems to relax me.
God bless you all. Don’t forget your prayers tonight!
Jan Barrett
pretty good… I did make it in to the chat right when Jan started talking about HaLeigh… I think about this case alot. I will be on the edge waiting to hear what happens with Misty this week. Either she spills ANYTHING she knows at this time… or I just don’t know what else to think… what is your take?
I also feel relaxed by a good rain, miss my old houses metal porch roof, it made a wonderful sound when it rained. If the economy ever gets better I plan on changing the porch roof at this house to metal. lol
Good night all.
I don’t think Misty knows anything more than Tommy has already told. Actually Tommy knows more because he went to the river with JO. It’s just that everybody would rather believe in conspiracies .
Well, that being said, Misty might know more about what actually happened in the bedroom with JO and Haleigh. My understanding is that Tommy was passed out on the living room couch so he doesn’t really know what transpired in the bedroom.
Someone asked about Hope’s appeal.
Just wanted to say that it takes about a year generally before an appeal is heard. So it probably will not be heard anytime in the near future.
She did have it filed on time though and has an appellate attorney, so things are moving along… slowly.
New Thread! You can listen to the entire Radio Show. Just click on at the bottom of Simon’s article.
http://www.bloggernews.net/125077#comment-1730408
BNN Simon Barrett, Editor 8-15-10
Radio Wrap article for 8/15/10
Hi, Jan!
Rain, thunder . . . what is that? We have not had any rain in so long I forgot what it is!
Please send some to Tx. We have a 60 per cent chance Wed. and Thurs. and highs in the low 90′s. That beats our current 103 with 112 heat index! What a scorcher!
Here is the link to follow Hope’s appeal. I believe oral arguments of appeals can be watched online as well.
http://199.242.69.70/pls/ds/ds_docket?p_caseyear=2010&p_casenumber=1855&psCourt=5&psSearchType=
I would think that if anything was going on in the bedroom with JO and Haleigh, Jr would have heard, and he WOULD have told. Whatever happened to Haleigh, happened after she was taken out of that MH, whether it was the unthinkable, or whether it was somebody hiding her out. Jr was quite capable of talking, and he would have told if anything that horrific happened.
If TC did not make up the entire story at the urging of LE, Brown, and Werter, then I will put money on TC being the only perp.
WhyLie said,
in August 15th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
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Thank you for that link, WhyLie!
WhyLie said,
in August 15th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
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I agree with you, 100% about Jr.
Junior is and was quite capable of telling what happened that night. And he was interviewed by child psychologists first thing on the morning of the 10th.
I don’t believe something horrific happened in the home that night (not in the manner that is being told, like HaLeigh was screaming and Misty had to hide under the covers with Junior covering their heads. Junior would have been terribly traumatized. And he would have told. That is not the story he told)
LadySadie said,in August 15th, 2010 at 7:39 pm jaba, thank you for your kind words. I think some people just find being challenged in their beliefs unpleasant.
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No…. I do not think that is what truely is found to be unpleasant. I think you are a very special person and believe in God and give of yourself unselfishly to the children you foster and others. I just would of thought that would be automatic for someone like you to extended that kind heart to everyone and especialy to those that have the heart such as yours and the intrest and time to keep looking for HaLeigh and asking the questions that have never been answered. We are on the same side….. HaLeighs. No matter who is right or wrong or has more money and abilities to do what other can’t. I think we all have our own unique way of given and caring for our fellow man. Sometimes the little things are more important than the big productions. IMO it takes the smallest of movement to get anything to become substantial and gain momentum. JMO
I hope you had a great weekend LadySadie and can overlook some of us that dont always share your beliefs, but, have the same goal and desire to see this all to come to an end and HaLeigh is found. I can gracefully agree to disagree when need be ,but, honestly can say I value your efforts and insite that you bring to the blog. Tomorrow is a new day and I know that it could be a great day for discussions and hope that we can put all behind and discuss the facts that will lead us or others to find HaLeigh. Night everyone see ya over coffe early.
Ann, thanks so much for the link. I will look at it tomorrow
vaquera,
You welcome! All kinds of neat stuff on the videos and the articles.
Mark your calendar: Lucas Coe’s trial 9-13-10.
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