Sounds like the Croslin parents will be in jail for a couple of years when all is said and done. Tragic they wont be in court to support either of their kids because they couldnt get their addictions under control.
I believe all of those in jail couldnt keep their addictions controlled and did something that caused Haleigh to be gone. What that was and where she is at is what everyone wants to know.jmo

I have been watching the Florida Rachel Wade trial, she was found guilty of mudering a love rival. She can get a minimun of 20.5 years for murder, Misty charged with drug trafficking minimum 25 years hmmmm….

Hearing the sadness in the voice of Christy Ragas on the radio show made me want to go to Pearl River and help in the search. Reading the story and looking at the pictures of Zach wasn’t as touching as hearing it. I think so many people, myself included, have become numb to the news and forget that missing adults also have loved ones with broken hearts.

Jules- and the media does have the time, as they can stop repeating or stating what you are going to hear after the break, then after the next break or maybe the next! And really what is more important Linsey lohan’s escapades or trying to find missing children & adults!

The Croslin arrests are still not up on the dockets yet.

Jules, I agree with you, Zach’s story is heartbreaking. Hearing Christy, his mother, share her story and her pain is just gut wrenching. The media doesn’t even give the time to missing children, only a small percentage of children get any coverage, but when you have an adult missing, they just do not get the coverage that is so deserved. It’s “easy” for so many to forget that these people have families that miss them and need and deserve answers about what happened to their loved ones. I’m so glad that there are people in the world like Simon and Jan that give of themselves and give attention to the missing.

I wish there was a channel on tv that was solely devoted to missing people. What a fabulous resource.

J- I was kind of shocked to learn that America’s Most Wanted couldn’t help!

J- it’s so sad I think our socity feels that young men can take care of themselves and so not as much effort is put into finding them.
I know there are people who just want to start a new life but I don’t believe it as many as LE seems to believe it is. In this case I really feel it is foul play and Zach’s mother deserves answers!

I think Jane Velez Mitchell got it wrong with her theory”the war against women” what about men like Zach who go missing, where’s the media, where’s the police? I am the same age as Zach yet a white female and I bet if went missing, those 2 factors would make a huge difference in the police investigation and media coverage. It’s sickening what Zachs mother has to go through.

I am Zach’s Aunt. I not only feel the sadness of my nephew missing and the feeling of helplessness but it tortures me even to worse to see the hurt/ heartache it brings on my sister (Zach’s Mom) and to hear his little girl ask, Where’s my Daddy? The lack of answers is one of the toughest parts, but even worse when you feel like those who are sworn to serve & protect (LE) dont even giv it the attention it deserves. It hurts to feel like Zach is forgotten or that because he was a 25 y/o male his disapearance doesn’t deserve the attention that some of these high profile missing persons cases get.
So thank you Simon/Jan for once again helping keep it out theres stirring the pot!

n2kayaks1965- No matter how strong we are the pain is still there and finding Zach will surely ease it a bit. I pray each night for him when I pray for Haleigh! God Bless Christy, she’s in my prayers too!

I’ll bbs,gotta read up on hank and lisa!

Alex,He is dandy as well as just too gorgeous!
LoL
He made it into the world the 23rd at 4:20pm,He was 8lbs and 7 oz……21 inches long,The thickest and Long black hair you ever saw,His name I am sure I told ya is Christopehr Maxwell!!!
He is just gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just got home not 5 minuts ago,LoL

CJ- I’m at the point where I think they need a stint in jail, hopefully enough time to dry out!
I don’t know if it’s a specific time or each individual has their own timeclock!

I am just hearing on HLN that a convicted Sex offender who was sentenced to 300 years has gotten out after just serving 13 years, my stomach is turning!

n2kayaks1965 said,
in July 26th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

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Hi n2kayaks,

Thank you for stopping in.

Since we here in the BNN family have learned of your family’s story, there have been a lot of prayers sent up for Zach, his daughter and your entire family.

I agree with you that your sister is an amazing person. I really believe that God sends down an extra reserve of strength when needed. Otherwise, I’m not sure how anyone in a position such as her’s would ever make it through the not-knowing, no matter how old one’s child is. It has to be absolutely devastating trying to explain to Zach’s daughter (who is absolutely beautiful, btw), where her father is and why he isn’t there with her.

I pray that your family will find the answers you all need, as quickly as possible. LE is sworn to protect and SERVE. Not just “some” but ALL. If there is anything that we here can do, please let us know. Bless you all!

n2kayaks, God bless your family and your trials. I can’t imagine the pain your sister and the family are enduring.I pray your family will have closure soon. I know God doesn’t put more on us than we can bear, but sometimes it gets really heavy. Prayers for your family!

Robin – I’m not sure of the name , I’ll look & get back to you!

If anyone is interested, George and Cindy Anthony will get to keep their home and escapes foreclosure. Here is the Link to the article which includes a video (interview with Brad Conway).

http://www.wesh.com/news/24398628/detail.html
WESH Orlando, Fl
7-26-10 Updated: 6:17 p.m. EDT

“Lawyer: Anthony Family Keeps Home, Escapes Foreclosure”
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LadyDay, it is amazing that the Anthony’s had money for a cruise,deposited money in Casey’s jail account, got tattoos, had jewelry made with Caylee’s ashes but did not make their mortgage payment for several months or perhaps a year! I wonder what they did with the $10,000 or was it $20,000 they received from CBS.

They have their priorities mixed up. My priority would have been to pay my mortgage payment.

Alexandria–I looked it up. Thomas Spioch and he was from Florida. He molested a 14 year old boy and tried to hire a hitman to kill seven witnesses at his trial. I am sick to my stomach. This man is a threat to children. Misty is looking at a 25 year sentence for DRUGS while this man is walking free. Misty if sentenced to 25 years will serve at least 85 percent of her sentence IIRC. That means she will serve more time than this SO. What is wrong with Florida and their judicial system? If I was a Florida taxpayer, I would want my money used to keep violent offenders behind bars. This man received 3OO yrs if I read correctly. Why is he free? JMO

Video: Misty’s Parents Jailed On Drug Charges
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24400135/index.html
In this video a Rodney Graham speaks on camera stating that LE lured Lisa and Hank to the crack house.

RODNEY ANTHONY GRAHAM
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 7/23/2010 8:15:00 PM – Booking#: 10-03149
Release Date & Time: 7/24/2010 7:31:08 PM
DOB: 8/5/1974 – RACE: B – SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.13-1a1 COCAINE-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG DELIV ETC SCHEDULE II F S $1,004.00 7/24/2010 7:29:03 PM
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00 7/24/2010 7:28:37 PM
812.014-3a LARC PETIT 1ST OFF M S $504.00 7/24/2010 7:28:15 PM
$2,012.00
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=762058&IMG=29494

Alexandria Loring said,in July 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm Jules- and the media does have the time, as they can stop repeating or stating what you are going to hear after the break, then after the next break or maybe the next! And really what is more important Linsey lohan’s escapades or trying to find missing children & adults!
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Hi, Alex! (Hope you don’t mind me calling you Alex – save on typing)

I understand exactly what you are saying about the breaks. It irritates me when they continually do that. Then when they return from the commercial, they don’t cover what they said they would . . . maybe after 2 or 3 commercials! What a waste of valuable air time!

Alexandria–Ineffective assistance of counsel? He must have had a public defender. I am sick to death. That’s why I have such a hard time with Haleigh’s case and the way it has been handled. If they find the guilty party, I do not want justice denied to Haleigh and the persons responsible get off on a technicality. JMO

Jules said,in July 26th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
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Jules, I could hear the sadness in Christy’s voice also. It really did have an impact.

Christy is a very strong lady. This has to be devastating. I think it is so wonderful for Jan and Simon to help Christy and especially for Simon to “shake things up” in Pearl River.

Christy, my prayers and thoughts are with you and your family. I hope you find Zach and I hope LE starts doing some serious investigating into Zach’s “disappearance”. I think LE should be all over the last person to see Zach. Something is very hinky here!

Christy, I admire your strength, courage and determination.

I bet if this was the mayor’s son missing, there would have been a massive search and media attention from day one. Just my opinion!

Stay strong, Christy!

Alexandria Loring said,in July 26th, 2010 at 5:47 pm CJ- I’m at the point where I think they need a stint in jail, hopefully enough time to dry out!
I don’t know if it’s a specific time or each individual has their own timeclock!

I am just hearing on HLN that a convicted Sex offender who was sentenced to 300 years has gotten out after just serving 13 years, my stomach is turning!
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Alex,I gave them the benefit of a doubt,I truly think they’ve been through sheer he77 since Haleigh went missing,But they are adults and they even talked on camera to their kids about how stupid they were for getting mixed up in drugs,knowing they were being watched somewhat, so now I don’t feel bad for them b/c they can be blamed for Misty and Tommy being what they’ve grown up to be and you’d think they of all people could see they played a huge part in it and had a 2nd chance and ignored it,I am aghast! instead of being a parent with all this going on they could have set some kind of example and made the right choice,It ain’t everbody who gets a 2nd chance,and they had one,so IMO They’re right where they need to be!!

everytime i come,everybodys gone,lol bbs

Hello everyone! Hey! CathyJo. Congratulations on your new grandson. I am so elated for you.
This is truely sad about H and L. I was just watching NG and it was said that Hank Sr. could possibly run into Tommy or Ron in the yard.

Cathy Jo congratulations on the birth of Christopher Maxwell. You,ll have to figure out how to send a picture by email.
Hank + Lisa so sad crack kills people + families. Think crack is not a new drug for them to use. I must admit that my first thought was that it brings Haleigh’s name back into the news.
Hello everyone

Hi Guys,LoL Thanks to all of you who waited on Max as much as I did,lol
He is just absolutely beautiful!Though I am sure i am biased but thats ok too,LoL
I will have pix Friday,I found out today she only had one memory card,lol so others were coming over to see the baby so I agreed to wait till the weekend,LoL

Looking,I wonder if theres a reason for it,to run into Ron in the yard,remember just the other day they were sitting in the courtroom when he was in court,I just don’t get it?
Do any of you guys think that MAYBE they were asked to do this by le?? I wish it was for that reason,if not,I don’t know what to think!

To everyone thank you so much for the support and prayers. Its been a rough week, but when read comments from yall it lifts me up. Today I have my granddaughter (Zachs little girl Kaili) she is the spitting image of him and she acts like he did. Its real hard to keep smiling around her knowing that she may never remember her father ( she is 3 yrs old) and the way he loved her. I will always tell her he did and never wanted to leave her. Thanks Simon and Jan for helping me cope with all this.
To Ann-Tx
I have contacted other LE and have to to through chain of command, which I have. The St Tammany Sheriff assured me awhile back they are doing everything they can on this case. I will be making more phone calls this week. I wished we had the Texas Rangers we have the Louisiana State Troopers and I did call them and they told me all they do is assist the sheriffs office. I am hoping that we will have another search this weekend the other two weeks were cancelled,and of course the search is not conducted by LE. Thanks again everyone. May God Bless you all.

I have missed yas again,either that or I’m blind as a bat,lol

Come Back CathyJo! Big CONGRATULATIONS being sent to you . I bet you are just tickled to death Babies are the sweetest blessing

Im so surprised H and L, well, Hank had only $20- worth of cack or coke, whatever it was and Lisa was just sitting there in the car. It sort of does seem they are being targeted because of their kids. Wonder how long before the other side of the family is going to get picked up? I read a post earlier that said Ronald was shooting up his Grandmas Morphine between his toes. Which Grandma is that? Not Sykes, Really? Is it Grandma Sykes?

CathyJo, sorry about earlier. I posted to you, but then left to go listen to the show. I missed it yesterday.

Do I dare ask what GS needed Morphine for? I know it could be pain related, but geezums by golly wow! Id have never thought! lol! Reminds me of a true story. One time I was in th ER and the lady in the bed next to me was being asked by a Dr. if she was allergic to any medicene, she was about 60 yrs old, Sunday School Lady type, blurted out Oh Yes ! I am very allergic to Heroin-I was in so much pain, but I almost busted my gut laughing so hard. she actually meant allergic to Morphine. I had the Rolls Royce of Morphine one time-Dilaudid, 2 drops and I went frozen dead from the inside out, scared me so much, never again! I wonder how these people, drug users do it. Just unimaginable!

The frustration is growing quickly for me. I honestly believe the answers lye in Satsuma, but I do try and keep an open mind. I am hoping more and more each day that my belief is wrong! As wrong as it may seem, I pray that the maternal side did take her, at least then it would be hopeful for Haleigh to be alive. Granted, I would still believe they would have to accept their punishment for the crime in which they committed.jmo

Ive always thought very strongly that it also was the maternal side that probably took Haleigh and maybe with the help of TC. Maybe Misty told Nay Nay of the problems and fights, Nay Nay might have spread the word, she is related to the Griffs side of the family if I remember correctly. I just didnt believe the way CS and then her mom was acting on tv. first time I saw Crystal on NG and she started the tears, it looked to me like she was trying more to cover up laughter than showing desperation at losing her child. One thing I feel very strongly about is that nobody outside of the two families had anything to do with Haleigh going missing. Either ronald hid her because of the upcoming court hearing, or more likely someone from CS side took her because of the money owing. She could have gone to jail for non payment of child support. When Haleigh went missing, that sort of went by the wayside, didnt it? I mean it was for back child support, right? And nobody called her in after Haleigh went missing, right?

Sounds good to me!

A motive, a method, a theory: I’ll settle for anything that does not begin and end with Misty Croslin.

It’s not like rulig it out it’s like giving it a rest. Misty may take her secrets to the grave; or we may never believe anyting she ever says; but there must be something we can do in the meantime. This may not be well thought out.

Yes, LadyDay, there seem (to me) to be several elements of the story that say “Misty did it,” is just too simple, and possibly just a bit too convenient for some. She does make a perfect patsy. I can hardly imagine one more perfect.

JMO.

CathyJo, congratulations on the new grandbaby!

Cchristyra- It’s hard to imagine going for over a year and not hearing from your loved one, my heart would be breaking as yours surely is. If there is anything we can do to help please feel free to ask> You, Zach and the rest of your family are in my prayers!

Jesse G–I can’t get past that either, except I believe, that I think when this all went down, they expected to get custody of JR sooner. They tried to sway public opinion with the abuse allegations, not to mention the drug lifestyle Ron lived. They went into complete defense mode, even going so far as putting rumors out on blogs to gain the upperhand (KP still makes an appearance on blogs). Kim P never gave them what they wanted and that is to go for custody of JR immediately. Read the Bar Complaint (it is an interesting read). Crystal had drug problems herself, and if truth be known and her side was the subject of a drug sting, she might be sitting right where the other players are. Who knows? This little girl has been missing for 18 months and that side has been silent for awhile now–too silent when there is a little girl–their daughter and granddaughter–missing and maybe be murdered. I am frustrated by the lack of leads that point in a solid direction. I am frustrated that Haleigh has not been found. I am frustrated that this has been deemed a homocide without any proof to reclassify it as one. I am frustrated with the silence for all the families. Where is Haleigh? Someone knows. JMO

CS and Co. were very quick to start pointing fingers like children in grade school. I never saw Ronald or Misty do any of that against CS.

I lost my train of thought above, was going to say Misty could have been sleeping, but that isnt a possibility. I think she came home, went right to the front bathroom, in her haziness knew the light was on, but woke up when she saw Haleigh was not there. Why did TN want to pay her to keep her there. I still think of that thing Ronald said about keeping your enemies closer. Was that really to mean keep her closer because she knew something about a scheme, but was used? I think he popped that out of left field because he couldnt exactly say Well I married her so I wouldnt get 10 to 25 for sleeping with her. I hope whatever happens to her in court, that she speaks up, she just doesnt appear to be the kind to hurt a child.

Good morning, everyone!

I don’t think we should rule out or shelve ANY theory! We should consider ALL of them and keep all of them open until LE or someone proves exactly what happened.

Sometimes a theory doesn’t seem likely to us because of the reasons we imagine are behind it or because of some part of the theory that doesn’ sit with us.

For example, I understand someone having trouble thinking that CS did this. One answer is, she probably didn’t. Her mother did. Her mother and other family members have the brains and means to do this.

And why was only Haleigh taken? One answer is because it would make it look LESS like a family-related kidnapping. If both children had been taken it would look more family/custody related. The fact that a little girl is missing brings in all the possibilities like an SO, abuse at home by R or M, etc. and directs attention away from the maternal side.
And I do NOT think the motive was to “save” Haleigh or Jr from a “horrible life” at R’s. Come on. Life at Crystal’s is better some how?
No, it was about MONEY! A great big whopping $12,000 debt that was only going to grow until the children became adults. The S/Gs had already tried to sic DCFS on R dozens of times and had NO success. Why? He was doing what DCFS asked of him. Learning how to discipline properly and moving to a MH that had enough bedrooms – one for each child.
The ONLY hope the maternal side had to stop the payments and get Jr. (which stopped payments for him) was to pull a stunt like this. Gosh knows, it was obviously too hard for CS to stop taking drugs, get a job, make an honest attempt to pay the custody etc (in other words, go about getting more time with her children in a decent, legitimate way).

That is just one of my theories. I can also see M helping the S/Gs with that because she wanted R and she wanted children of her own (supposedly) and R didn’t want any more children (supposedly). I can also see a Judas-like “friend” visiting and putting a knock-out drug in her drink – to gain access to the MH.

So lots of times the reason people can’t “see” a theory is they’re considering motives and means that don’t fit – instead of ones that do.

And, yes, some variation of “R did it” is on my list, too. But NOT to help the maternal side get custody. That could have been done a lot easier without involving LE. I think he has the least motive imo unless he accidentally hurt her somehow.

Anyway, I hope we don’t rule out any theories. We just don’t have the facts to do that imo.

Hi, JB! I think everything the ants do is calculated. Almost to the point of thinking that now Sindee has exacted her revenge on Bank of America- the bank that pressed charges against monster for theft and fraud of Amy’s account! That may be stretching things but I don’t put it past Sindee – she has successfully cheated BOA out of about 9 months of house payments, gotten to stay in the house, and negotiated a good new loan. Makes me sick. It seems none of the ants are ever held accountable for any of the rotten things they do. I truly hope a Guilty verdict for Monster will put a stop to their run of “success.”

And yes I am eager to hear how the jail-call situation is going to turn out!

Alexandria Loring said,in July 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm robin- i think the same could be said in Caylee’s case. The things the defense is doing to some extent seems outrageous, unless that is what Casey want’s them to do!

I understand that Casey is the “Boss” like George said, but if she was coming up with these outrageous things, wouldn’t Baez be obligated to tell her that she is hanging herself and he could get himself removed from the case?

Casey told Rob Dick to check into Kia Maria (may not be spelled right) and find some dirt on her so I know Casey does come up with some over the top stories. The way she lied to LE at the very beginning about having a job and all the stories about ZG and her family no telling what Casey is saying to her defense team. It just seems to me that Baez would not put himself into some of these situations at the request of Casey and some of the legal motions Casey would probably not be aware of. See does have access to legal books, but judging by the letters she wrote to Robyn Adams she is not too bright. IMO

m2c – LOL – Boy we’re on the same page with the Ants! They just KEEP getting away with murder! They all think they are entitled! They have not honored Caylee ONCE since she went missing! It SICKENS me!

Come on Perry give us a giggle…release the jailhouse/Bozo call! We could use the laugh!

CathyJo63 said,in July 26th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
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Do any of you guys think that MAYBE they were asked to do this by le?? I wish it was for that reason,if not,I don’t know what to think!
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No, Hank and Lisa are drug users and I do not think LE asked them to do anything. I appears that Putnam County is on an all out effort to clean up the drug dealers/buyers. I can’t blame them as they have taken a lot of bad press over not being able to find Haleigh.

I hope she is found, but meanwhile they are cleaning up the place in an effort to keep other children as well as adults safe.

I see someone stole my name. I know I haven’t posted in a while but when did this new Jules show up?

Not many can steal my name. Drucilla, not many of us around.

Oh I don’t think LE asked Lisa and Hank to get busted nor do I believe LE set them up. It is inevitable to get busted when you are an addict out looking for your drugs, hanging in the not so nice neighborhoods, and/or living in a homeless shelter. Eventually your drug use will catch up with you and you will get busted. Just the way the dice rolls.

I do not think LE asked anything of H and L. They are addicts and could not refrain.jmo

JB thank you for the info. I pray to God Kyron is safe and can come home to his family. Do you know what time the conference is scheduled for?

JB you are absolutely right on your post @ 10:10am

A mouse can’t be caught in a trap unless he’s out looking for the cheese. H and L were looking for cheese and the trap got sprung. It isn’t entrapment. It isn’t rogue LE work. It is what it is. Druggies being druggies and getting busted for it. Plain and simple. And as the saying goes, don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. No one held a gun to their head and said “GO BUY COCAINE”.

JB said,in July 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am dru – it is disGusting….with a “G” and unfortunately it is just one big circus and all the clowns are part of the same show. Simon and Jan didn’t ask for all the key players in this case to get busted for drugs. They just report on it.

So sorry about the typo. I was not referring to this site and I know Simon and Jan didn’t write the script for the Croslin family. I was talking about searching the entire web using “Haleigh Cummings”.

Sure hope you have a great day, JB.

Jules- I think Casey is smarter then a lot give her credit for. We only know the very limited information given as to how she conned people into doing her bidding!Perhaps some of her Attorneys are leaving because they are smarter then her and realized they were being conned!

Casey had to be smart enough to get by without working and to keep up with all of her lies. I read the letters she wrote to Robyn Adams and I think a lot of the talk about Caylee and how much she loved and missed her was because Robyn had children and she was trying to mold herself into the person she thought Robyn would want to be friends with. Like Jesse Grund said, Casey could be whatever she needed to be to get her way.

I just think if Baez had a backbone, he would not do her bidding as he is looking less and less like an attorney anyone else would hire. Baez, IMO, is stringing this case out in order to get as much free advertising as he can as well as money, but there has to be a limit to his stupidity unless he really is stupid.

I think maybe I need to type my comments in a word prosessor then copy and paste here so I don’t get in trouble for typos too. I start thinking and typing so fast when I get started on Casey and her cast of characters.

dru is not a fly by. She has posted here off and on for two years, as have I.

Jules – I misunderstood the post and I apologized and I wasn’t bickering so chill. I didn’t say dru was a fly by either. I said I got tired of the fly by complainers who pick at Jan and Simon. Now who is trying to stir the pot? I was polite in my comments and I apologized for misunderstanding the post. So can YOU drop it please and thank you!?

Jules – I think you need to take a chill pill. I was being silly with my post by using “discusted”! I stated I made typos too…even stated I was the typo queen. I’ve apologized for misunderstanding the comment but you just keep it going. Let it go already! Sheesh. If I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong. I’ve done that. I’ve apologized. Not sure why you need to interject yourself and keep things stirred up.

Alex @ 10:37 – What I meant for that theory is that the motive was to get both the children – eventually. What did MG do right after Haleigh’s disappearance? Try very very hard to get custody of Jr.
So IF Haleigh is alive and well somewhere, they’ve succeeded, haven’t they? Maybe not according to “plan” but still.

It’s just a theory but I wanted to clear up some of the assumptions that it’s based on.
All our theories are based on some assumptions, of course.

m2c – but if I was Crystal and clan and I didn’t have custody of the kids and one came up missing, the first thing I would do is try to get custody of the 2nd one in an effort to keep them safe. And Crystal would still owe the back child support even if she got custody. That doesn’t go away. Obviously Crystal never wanted custody too bad because she never got her act together and got off the drugs. Now her family members are pretty nuts and I could see them trying to get the kids. That part I get. But I don’t think they could pull it off for this long and keep Haleigh in hiding. I know it COULD happen but I don’t think they’re that bright.

But it is a possibility. Not at the top of my list of theories but it is a definite possibility. My top theory still goes back to the Croslins and Ron….something to do with drugs….accidental OD, drug debt, Haleigh killed in anger or to keep her quiet…..but even a RSO is still on my theory list.

I just wish we knew WHAT it is LE has that made them change this to a homicide. SURELY to goodness they didn’t classify this case as a homicide based on a statement from Misty and Tommy because we know the truth and those two are as much of strangers as Casey and the truth are.

JB @ 11:25 am – There are a lot of things that can be said for and against all theories about what happened to Haleigh. I just put one theory out there with some thoughts. There is nothing to rule it out. Just like there is nothing to rule out any other theory.

Aligoo – while the Crystal Clan abduction theory has never been at the top of my personal theory list, it is by far the BEST possible scenario. I pray that this is indeed what happened to Haleigh. But the fact LE classified this as a homicide tells me they have something to prove she is dead. Not sure what that is….but they have something. I can’t for the life of me believe that LE would call this a homicide without something pretty solid. They might call it a criminal investigation but not a homicide. If they’ve done so without substantial proof, then shame on them. Why put the family through that without proof? I think there are protocols for LE to follow for classifying it as homicide, unfortunately…and it is obvious those requirements were met.

Jules said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am

Casey had to be smart enough to get by without working and to keep up with all of her lies. I read the letters she wrote to Robyn Adams and I think a lot of the talk about Caylee and how much she loved and missed her was because Robyn had children and she was trying to mold herself into the person she thought Robyn would want to be friends with. Like Jesse Grund said, Casey could be whatever she needed to be to get her way.

I just think if Baez had a backbone, he would not do her bidding as he is looking less and less like an attorney anyone else would hire. Baez, IMO, is stringing this case out in order to get as much free advertising as he can as well as money, but there has to be a limit to his stupidity unless he really is stupid.

I think maybe I need to type my comments in a word prosessor then copy and paste here so I don’t get in trouble for typos too. I start thinking and typing so fast when I get started on Casey and her cast of characters.
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You’re right Casey is a chameleon and I believe Mist to be one too just not to the extent that Casey is.

JB, you are absolutely correct. I think LE does have something. But, what bothers me that they have a family with so many glaring guilty factors that it might be blinded their objectivity. In one theory, there is substantial motive, possible means, and possible opportunity. In the other theory, there is a cast of characters who have some admitted involvement, clear drug use, repeated lying and LDT failures. What a quandry for LE! If they have used statements from the Croslins, together with circumstantial evidence, this may have convinced them to focus on the Croslin theory. You are right that we don’t have privy to anything concrete that LE has.

I just hope that they do have something concrete and have not gotten so drawn in by admissions made by liars that they have been blindsided. The other theory needs to be looked at and IMO, it has not been substantially addressed. It’s possible, too, that there is a connection between these two theories.

Aligoo–I have never thought about it being easier to hide one child instead of two. That makes a lot of sense to me. I have always held to the Sheffields being responsible for this for some reason and I think it is because Haleigh has not been found (not that the public knows of and I don’t think LE could keep that under wraps). They automatically jumped on the convenient suspects like Misty and Tommy, instead of looking at other possible suspects. Those SOs were cleared too easily and too early for my liking, when recently those have been the ones responsible for murders like these (with exception of Casey A). I think the Caylee A murder has overshadowed the way LE investigated this case, and I hate to see that because potential suspects could have easily slipped through the cracks early on. I hope LE has more on Misty and Tommy and the reason they suspect them, because I would hate for a child murderer to walk free and unscathed to strike again. I hope if Haleigh is alive that she is well taken care of and someone out there has the decency to come forward and put the people that love her out of the misery of wondering where she is at. JMO

WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm JB …Crytal’s extended family is sprinkled all through the south and the hills of Kentucky. It would not be hard for them to hide a child. Heck Chad helped hide a child for over a year.

This is true and these are areas in which hollars are prevelant, home schooling is common, and families are clannish. With young children, nicknames can be given, accents changed, appearances easily changed…

m2c said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm Hi, JB! My theory about LE reclassifying Haleigh’s case as a homicide is that they were “sold” on SB and T’s story about the river. But then were very disappointed to find nothing. So I think LE jumped the gun.

I think this is very possible, hate to say. Tommy may have came up with this story thinking he would get a plea for “helping”. Misty may have inadvertantly collaborated the story by confirming the dock based upon a story Tommy told her. The Croslins stink so high that how could they possibly not be the perps, right?

The problem is that we on the outside don’t know all that LE knows, so we’re second guessing. I just hope & pray that LE has been objective and not so drawn in by a bunch of liars that they are not looking in the right direction. They could be fooled by someone that looks normal and trustworthy to them. They need to get back to investigation 101: motive, means, and opportunity. If there is any possibility that Haleigh is alive and out of state, the FBI needs to take a stronger role. I think the problem is that they don’t have any hard evidence of this possibility.

Robin, the problem is that if Haleigh is alive and is well taken care of, then nobody out there would want to come forward and put the people that love her out of the misery of wondering where she is at, because they would feel that she is so much better off than she was. I think that they would feel that Haleigh’s well being would supercede any misery on the part of other family members – even family members on their own side of the family. Maybe they are right that she is better off, but the fact would still be there that they broke the law.

We know there have been cases where for example, a stranger has gotten in and taken a child right under the family’s nose and not left any trace (at least that LE could find). And we know of other cases where LE was sure about who did it but couldn’t prove it. So both of those extremes and everything in between is possible.

I just don’t see the benefit to anyone except PCSO LE in classifying this as a homicide.

m2c – I’m really hoping LE jumped the gun with classifying this a homicide, the Crystal Clan has Haleigh and she is alive and well. I just want that baby found and for those responsible to be held accountable.

Aligoo @ 12:54 – How would anyone really “know” that Haleigh was better off with them? I mean the kind of people who’d keep her against the law? Yes, R took drugs. So do half the people in that area as far as I can see. So does/did Haleigh’s mom. So this whole thing of kidnapping or keeping her because she’s supposedly better off is a pile of hooey imo.
Hooey that’s been deliberately spread around since nearly the beginning of this case and is still being heaped on by the bucketful. It could be true, but again, no proof. I like a little of that before condemning someone – or condemning a child to living life without her own family.

LFJ – yeah, just looked at the Putnam Co arrest info – they both were on probation. Many times there is a suspended sentence with the probation and as long as they keep their nose clean, all is well. But if they screw up again, it ALL comes back into play. They may have really screwed the pooch this time if that is the case.

I believe they have this time JB. They may have free room and board for awhile.jmo

ITA!! JB

Prosecutors Claim Baez Has ‘Faulty Memory’
Baez Seeks To Have Conversations With Inmate Sealed

POSTED: 11:45 am EDT July 27, 2010
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EDT July 27, 2010

ORLANDO, Fla. –
Prosecutors accused Casey Anthony’s defense attorney on Tuesday of having a “faulty memory” and making “simply untrue” claims about recorded phone calls with a prison inmate.

Jose Baez has filed two motions in an attempt to have his conversations with state prison inmate Robin Lunceford sealed.

Prosecutors said Baez’s claims that he didn’t know the call was being recorded are “simply untrue.”

(He is truly a dumbass )

What is the population that the Putnam Co Sherrif’s office serves? They sure have a lot of arrests on a daily basis and so many of them are drug related. Just curious if they are above or below the curve when it comes to crime. They sure seem busy! LOL

VAQ, ITA!! Baez is a DUMBA**!!

Lana, I agree with you that it would be easier to hide a younger child. I do believe Haleigh would be a handful. You can see what a spitfire she is in her one photo.

vaquera said,in July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
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Dang Vaq, you are on your game today! Thanks for that info too! I just wonder how their arrests stack up to comparable towns. They just seem to have a LOT of drug arrests IMO!

Lana, Maybe he said some bad swear no nos againt the DA’s office or somebody else in the tapes. Maybe he called his client some kind of name. Bright is definately a word not associated with Boez.

Lana said,in July 27th, 2010 at 1:46 pm This is from the Orlando Sentinel

Baez has said that the Lunceford conversation is not damaging to the defense and more detrimental to the state’s case.

Then why does he want it sealed? He is not too bright.
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ROFLMAO – So is Bozo working for the prosecution now? ROFLMAO Oh, what an idiot that man is! Doesn’t sound like the prosecution is too worried about it and they even appear to want it UNSEALED so, Bozo, so much for it being damaging to the the prosecution’s case. Good Grief. Does the man think before he speaks? He REALLY needs to take some pointers from Casey on lying….at least she came across somewhat believable! He just sounds ignorant!

Lana, unfortunately what we think an abducted or abused child will do is not usually what they do. Elizabeth Smart had opportunity to leave but didn’t. Jaycee the same thing. Jessica L did not scream or try to get away when she was being abducted, she walked and climbed a ladder into a bedroom window.

Adults as well are often held by their captors and even when opportunities arise for them to escape they do not.

A connection is made with the perp. It is an instinct of survival, it is a form of brainwashing, it is a form PTSD.

We can not believe anybody put in that type of scenario will behave in any certain manner. Haleigh could have been told all of her family is dead, we just don’t know.

But we have to keep looking for her, we can’t assume that she will find a way to get back home on her own, that is not usually the case.

Worse yet, maybe Baez asked Lunceford if she is a good liar and can tell a big one without cracking up on the stand.

JB, this is just my own theory from what happened leading up to the Shell Harbour search.
Werter released the phone call between G.Hollar and Tommy. He also said it was not redacted. We never heard Tommy talk about a person in particular; just ‘HE’. Tommy never described what G.Hollar described on JVM and NG. G.Hollar said Misty told her that it was Joe and Tommy. They tied Haleigh to cinder blocks with a yellow rope, perhaps matching the yellow rope on Rons door, and threw her in the river.
Misty asked G.Hollar to call Annette Sykes and tell her what the story was and in a recent article it was stated that AS was told not to go to the area and possibly contaminate the scene, but after G.Hollars call AS and TN went to the area anyways per AS and said they searched the woods all afternoon,but found nothing. If Shell Harbour was totally a lie, why would Misty have G.Hollar call AS and then they themselves go search? LE then inquires about a 1990s grey van in the area recently to the residents that live right in that area. I also thought too that AS knowing what Tommy and Mistys story is she could tell Ron what she was told and he would know what they are saying. Like I said it is just my theory.

WhyLie I agree with your 1:52pm post.

WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Crytal’s extended family is sprinkled all through the south and the hills of Kentucky. It would not be hard for them to hide a child. Heck Chad helped hide a child for over a year.
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Can someone please tell me whose child Chad help hide and why? I can’t find anything about this other than this post.

LOL!! JB
Lana I do not know any info about Chad hiding a child. I wish I could help, but unfortunately I have nothing. Sorry.

WELLLL, if you google “jose baez home foreclosure” there are a lot of hits…..it is looking like it is true!

lfj – I like your theory….pretty much coincides with my top theory. I just have a lot of theories….. LOL

Dang, where did everyone go? We’re in a foreclosure festival! All hands on deck! We need our sleuths to find the facts! LOL

Lana, I bet it is named Acme Looney Tunes Financial Planning Inc.

See, they all lived high on the hog via poor little Caylee’ memory and now the hens have come home to roost, meaning their high life also came to a crashing halt. that karma, I tell you.

And I think the hens are doing a little pecking and scratching along with crapping! I do so love Karma! LOL

Hey, like the saying goes (cleaning it up a bit) That little white piece on top of chicken poop is in fact chicken poop too. A true chitfest.

I just read something about them ants trying to lump the house debt in their Foundation account. That sounds beyond sneaky.

LadyDay – I don’t think it sounds legal (lumping the house debt into their foundation)! And is the foundation REALLY making any money? Who the heck would donate to the Ant’s anyway? And how many searches have they been on with their boat and 4 wheeler (and NO George, that doesn’t include fishing trips).

Is it copyright or copywrite? LOL For some reason neither looks right! LMAO…I’m having WAY too much fun with this Bozo phone call recording, foreclosure festival, civil suit thing today. LOL

WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm Lana, Sorry.

No reason to be sorry. I just wanted to know if the method he used could be used against him to find Haleigh is he was involved.

Well, I do know if the dumb numbskull had watermarked his photos then hed have a leg to stand on if someone snagged them, if he has no Copyright on his page, I believe it is free game! An owner of a picture must watermark it, and some law states something about having to wait like 75 years before the copyright expires. Is he going to sue newspapers next for taking his picture and then somebody using that photo for fun and games? He would have the biggest civil class action suit going and then what? Each person winds up sending him 2 and 1/2 cents each? I think that guy needs to change hid Depends a little more often!

JB said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

LadyDay – I don’t think it sounds legal (lumping the house debt into their foundation)! And is the foundation REALLY making any money? Who the heck would donate to the Ant’s anyway? And how many searches have they been on with their boat and 4 wheeler (and NO George, that doesn’t include fishing trips).
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None, because there is no way in hell they can do any SAR is that bass boat and it is indeed an expensive bass boat.

LadyDay – boy, you know more about this picture copyright thing than I do! I don’t do “Facebook” or anything like that. I can barely keep up with blogging, work, home, etc! LOL

vaq – what is the property appraiser site? Who are you looking for? Cindy and George? Baez? Conway? D. Casey?

JB said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

Vaq – not familiar with blink and websleuth’s scares the bejeebies out of me! LOL

So do you think Bozo has a leg to stand on this civil case? I guess he reads all the blogs to see what people are saying about him. LOL Does it REALLY matter? LOL
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No, I don’t. They pictures were put on an open facebook and not copyrighted so they are fair game. It was a funny picture.LOL

JB @ 1:14 – yes Lisa had broken Probation but some of the others arrested in the same sting were charged mith manufacturing, to me that means you are in possession of everything you manufactured , the buyer is only in possession of the amount they bought, so the bail should be multipled in the manufacturing charges not lessened because they passed some on to other dopeheads. In this case I feel Justice is not blind, they see the Croslin name and bail goes up, it was always my belief that bail was set to insure that someone would show up for court not as a punishment. Something stinks in this mess. I do feel that they are better off in jail for the time being but fair is fair and that means justice needs to be meted out in a manner that is equal under the law!

If Boez was smart, hed have put on one of those blocker things on so nobody could snag a pic. I think the way it goes is if somebody uses a photo without permission and then makes money on that photo by way of being in a book, etc, then he could probably sue, otherwise it is a share and share alike thing. Yes, Why DOES he have a Facebook or MySpace or does he Twitter as well(dont answer that-lol!)Has time for that, but cant file a doc the right way. I think in his next job application, he could become Cone Placement Inforcement Supervisior for CalTrans or at least DMV.

I meant to say IF the pic was copywritten first and then used by someone else, then he could sue, otherwise…(Bang The Gong) Try again!

Boez, Would you like to join my Easy Law School For Dummies 101? We use the theory of what is known as Common Sense.

I googled Jose and his supposed foreclosure but all I found was a bunch of blog entries similar to this so I don’t know if it is fact or fiction.

JB- I agree about no one having the money to pay the bond but it still seems strange to me.

.2010 CA 003354 MF U.S. BANK, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION VS BAEZ, JOSE

File Date 05/12/2010 Case Status OPEN Case Status Date 05/12/2010
Ticket Number Case Disposition UNDISPOSED Case Disposition Date

Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
U.S. BANK, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION LASALLE BANK N.A.
PLAINTIFF
STATE OF FLORIDA DEFENDANT QUASCHNICK, PHILLIP P (850)414-xxxx

KISSIMMEE BAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, INC. DEFENDANT KING, M. F (407)841-xxxx

OTHER UNKNOWN PERSONS CLAIMING BY, DEFENDANT
BAEZ, JOSE DEFENDANT DUQUE, CINDY G (407)855-xxxx

BAEZ, LORENA DEFENDANT DUQUE, CINDY G (407)855-xxxx

UNKNOWN TENANT I DEFENDANT
UNKNOWN TENANT II DEFENDANT

Financial Entries
Receipt # Date Received From Amount Paid
126392 05/12/2010 BUTLER & HOSCH, P.A. 1,988.50

Payment
CHECK 1,908.50
CHECK 80.00

Fee
FILING FEE 1,910.00
HOLDING/DEPOSIT 18.50
SERVICE CHARGE 60.00

Docket Entries

Date Text
07/21/2010 COPY OF LETTER FROM ATTORNEY IN RE: NOA
07/21/2010 CERTIFICATE OF MAILING
07/21/2010 NOTICE OF ACTION ANSWER BY: 9/7/10
07/19/2010 STATE OF FLORIDA’S NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
07/19/2010 ANSWER OF STATE OF FLORIDA
07/15/2010 INSTRUCTIONS TO THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT
07/15/2010 CONSTRUCTIVE SERVICE AFFIDAVIT OF DILIGENT SEARCH AND INQUIRY RE: INDIVIDUALS, KNOWN & UNKNOWN
07/09/2010 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE JOSE BAEZ AND LORENA BAEZ
07/09/2010 DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS COMPLAINT (JOSE BAEZ AND LORENA BAEZ)
06/23/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, UNSERVED FOR UNKNOWN TENANT I (DEFENDANT);
06/23/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, UNSERVED FOR UNKNOWN TENANT II (DEFENDANT);
06/04/2010 ANSWER FROM KISSIMMEE BAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, INC.
06/02/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, CORPORATE SERVED ON 5/19/2010 FOR STATE OF FLORIDA (DEFENDANT);
05/27/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, CORPORATE SERVED ON 5/18/2010 FOR KISSIMMEE BAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, INC. (DEFENDANT);
05/12/2010 EXHIBIT B
05/12/2010 EXHIBIT A
05/12/2010 CIVIL OVERPAYMENT OVER $5 Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010
05/12/2010 CIRCUIT CIVIL FILING FEE ADDTL DEFENDANTS Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010
05/12/2010 CIVIL COVER SHEET
05/12/2010 LIS PENDENS (IMG)
05/12/2010 MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE COMPLAINT
05/12/2010 SUMMONS Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010
05/12/2010 MTG FORECLOSURE $250,001 OR MORE Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010

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Does Baez have a wife by the name of Lorena?

“her name is lorena mercedes velasquez garcia now lorena baez …”

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Yup, I think her name is Lorena Baez. By golly, I think we have a winner! Or in Bozo’s case…a big fat LOSER! LOL

I just did a quick google search and it appears Lorena is the wife of Jose. She is from Columbia and has one of those really long multiple names that she eventually shortened.

It could be that maybe Geralto could possibly become the ghostwriter of the Boez book down the line.

You guys are Sooooooooo Good! Bravo! You guys could teach Boez’ investigator a thing or two about timely manner. LOL!

The next Motion to Dismiss should be for his own self. What a Maroon! Got some form of paper fetish.

Is Baez getting paid JAC wages, if so he needs all the hours he can get to make the mortgage payment! What better way than to file motion after motion!

Alex – good point – Bozo is probably stalling to try to save his house! LOL All those movie and book deals have probably fallen through….can’t sell anymore pics…the Ants can’t pay him because they refuse to work and their home is in foreclosure…the skank has nothing left to sell (well, that anyone wants to buy! LMAO)…poor, poor Bozo…the gravy train just ran off a cliff! LMAO

What a fun day in here today! Makes the time pass faster while cooking mass amounts of (yum!!)homemade cream puffs . Ill cyber pass them around when they are cooled off and then filled.

Is that it on his site? I have less on my space but it is still more interesting than his. LOL! I usually dont go into uncharted, murky waters(his site, anythinng to do w/ants). He should have taken his money and then said Bye, Cant help you no more to Casey. She should have taken public defender. I see mistrial and all sorts of things in the future.

LadyDay – yes, Bozo’s site is a hoot…it claims all these case victories, tells you to click to read more and then goes nowhere….back to the home screen. It is absolutely POINTLESS and makes you wonder what actual case experience he truly has….I know if I was facing the death penalty I wouldn’t want a 8 times failed bar exam ex-online bikini salesman who can’t make his house payments to defend me! ROFLMAO But hey, Casey isn’t known for her smarts….she’s known for her “hot body”! ROFLMAO

TOBIAS – about time you got here! LOL – Thanks for explaining. I figured they were on probation with suspended sentences and that probation would be revoked and they’d start serving time for the prior crimes as well as face the new charges. They are TOAST! LOL

Well, I guess H and L can scout the prison out for T and M who will most assuredly be joining them shortly!

JB, Unfortunately they are, I see them setting in prison for the 18 months plus about 18 more.jmo

Tobias – you’re amazing…you always have the facts! I think I have Alzheimers or something because I can’t remember anything anymore! UGH! If I don’t write it down or use the info daily, I lose it! I hate getting old! LOL

Tommy and Lindsys hearing on divorce is 30 of July. Wonder if this will be the last time for them and it will be final? I would guess Yes.jmo

LadyDay – take care – I’m out of here too! I’ve posted WAY too much today. I’m becoming a blog hog! LOL I’ve just enjoyed all the jabs at Bozo today. And yes, his website is beyond pathetic. Perhaps he should stay off facebook and spend a little time working on his website! LOL

Tobias – will be interesting to see if Lindsey goes through with it but my gut says YES SHE WILL. I hope she rises above all of this and gets her act together for the kids. Rumors are she’s turned into a wild child but I hope that passes and she grows up and makes her kids her NUMBER ONE priority!

Gotta run! Bye ALEX! Bye LANA! Bye LADYDAY! Bye TOBIAS! I wish you’d stopped by earlier! Don’t see you much anymore and I miss ya!

I wonder why AS and TN would go against orders to stay out of the area? It isnt like they would find a live Haleigh. I bet LE wanted to know also, I am surprised they werent arrested for interfering in an investigation? I too believe something was found at that area, I have a feeling it was the blanket. No way could they make this a homicide without some evidence. I read somewhere it is harder to call a child a likely homicide because they dont have a paper trail like adults. jmo

Bye JB, get more sleep it keeps the memory going.lol

Read the second paragraph here:
http://www.wftv.com/news/24405478/detail.html
“Putnam County deputies say the two went to a drug house where Hank bought cocaine. He pleaded no contest and is awaiting sentencing.”

Has anyone heard that Hank has already pled out on the cocaine charges?

Alexandria Loring said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:46 pm methinks- in the Palaka Daily they list seven others who were arrested in the sting & First coast says there were 15 total. The odd thing is the bail amounts. The Croslins bail is much higher!

Oh thanks alex, I didn’t know that… WOW WTH?

WhyLie- Are the jails/prisons overcrowded in Florida?

Alex, yes they are. In fact the Putnam jail is so overcrowded that it risks being taken over by the Feds. Putnam has the lowest bonds in the state in order to get criminals in and out quickly, because of the overcrowding, and they have a backlog of warrants that they can’t serve because of the overcrowded conditions.

Lana- it just seems to me that the Croslins made it to the National Media because their name is Croslin, the others in the drug sting just made local news!

JB said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

Alex – good point – Bozo is probably stalling to try to save his house! LOL All those movie and book deals have probably fallen through….can’t sell anymore pics…the Ants can’t pay him because they refuse to work and their home is in foreclosure…the skank has nothing left to sell (well, that anyone wants to buy! LMAO)…poor, poor Bozo…the gravy train just ran off a cliff! LMAO
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sounds like KARMA

Was just reading the comments from earlier today. While I’m not a believer that Haleigh was snatched by related family and stashed ‘to be safe’, what was being said about hills of KY, clannish, ect made me go back and reread about a case in my state last year. In some cases no such extreme things need be in the scenerio.

There was a boy child age 5 whose mother poofed with him to keep child from his father. It took almost 2 years but they did find the child was was now 7. He had been at his grandmother’s home the whole time. Grandmother’s house had been searched by consent several times in the early part of the case.

This child was stashed the whole time roughly 3 miles from where his father lived. Mom and child had a hideaway about 5×12 in the grandmother’s home. Finally with a search warrant LE barged in and searched with suspecting such a place existed and child was found.

It was little things I think that finally gave LE enough to turn the house inside out so to say. Watched over 2 years occassional odd purchases at grocery store, on credit cards blah blah. Child never went to school, never outside, never changed his appearnace, never received medical care or anything of such nature…he just stayed in the house with window shades always closed (so nobody could see in). I remember LE in the news after child found. Little boy dashed around outside in the sunlight absorbing mother nature and delighting in being outdoors. Poor tyke, shut away from the world for two years.

But in that case, the child was always believed to be with the mother, they just could not find the mother/child (they were hid in grandmother’s hideaway if anyone came near and neither ever left the home).

That comment about skank having nothing left to sell that anyone wants to buy turns my stomach. I must have my mind in the gutter. Maybe I should call it a day.

The case of the little boy made me think of the book “Flowers in the Attic”.

Wasn’t that an incest case (Flowers in the Attic)?

Now if you are the judge in Putnam County you are probably sick of hearing Croslin.

jnet I live in California and if you worked and paid into SDI, which most people do, there is not the long wait as there is for SSA or SSI disability. Her being a nurse would know exactly what would be needed on those forms so I don’t think she got any special treatment there. Now her lies are a different story. The state can’t accuse her of making a false report on the 911 tape because that would be the state saying Cindy lied about smelling a dead body in the car. Since the state beleives that to be true no charge could be made. Now her lying on the stand is another matter. But again it is rare for a prosecutor to charge perjury they usually just impeach the person with a previous statement. There would really be overcrowding if they put everyone in jail who lied on the stand!
I think the Anthonys have gotten far harsher media coverage then the Sheffields & Cummings Families. But now the Croslins they take the prize for garnering publicity much like Casey!

Tobie (Girl)- Is that true even if there is overcrowding?

Tobie (Girl) said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

There is only one prison in Florida for females, so if LC ends up getting state time (prison), she and Misty will be at the same facility. Also, min/man is day for day with no 85% or early release of any kind, so Misty’s sentence will be at least 15 real years.
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Not sure where you got your info but it is not accurate. There are several places for female prisoners in Florida, and the YO’s are not usually in with older prisoners, for safety reasons.

The DOC registers them as YO and they are put in the YO programs, away from older adults.

HC was an Auto accident, that is a third party liability and most everywhere due to the responsibility of that 3rd party, every effort must be made to collect from them first. I feel bad for Hank, and I don’t say this to be mean, but I feel he is functionally illiterate. He is unable to fill out and file the forms against the third party and it’s apparent he doesn’t have funds to help him. Here in Northern California they have LSNC, which helps poor & illiterate people file for benefits. You would still need to make an appointment and get to their office! Cindy on the other hand has a condition is not considered 3rd party liability though I’m sure it was caused by Casey.
So it’s really apples & oranges as to their disability claims.

LOL, WhyLie, see you were wondering about the info regarding only 1 female prison in FL, also.

LadySadie said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

LOL, WhyLie, see you were wondering about the info regarding only 1 female prison in FL, also.
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Uh Huh! LOL.

Where/when did Lisa say TN was asking about Tyler? I would guess TN is still living in the same place she’s been living in.

I think Cindy got on disability faster because she already had a medical plan, then she probably got on FL. equivalent to COBRA while filing for disability. Seems to me though that she was on some type of medication for anxiety(?)prior because LE found RX bottles in her med. cabinet.
What I dont understand about her way of testifying is the fact she did smell something, so why would she allude that she was saying something just to get the police out faster? There is a video that exists from the begining where she states about knowing what she said in the 911 calls ‘I made them’ and then sort of blew it off, so she mis spoke yet again. I think perjury is in their very near future. I dont think the word immunity is going to hold fast once this show kicks into high gear.

As for AS and TN. I sometimes wonder if either of them have or had a police scanner. Seems they got to certains areas either before or around the same time LE got there. Maybe they have a friendly informant?

lfj, LE met with TC Monday around 5 for a couple of hours. TC then took them to Shell Harbor, with Werter and Brown. So LE didn’t know about Shell Harbor until Monday evening, so there is no way they could have told any family member about it prior to that.

The search started Tuesday morning. Hardy met with the family sometime Tuesday morning.

I dont believe we would have ever known they were there searching, but G Hollars knew it because she had talked with them. I have a theory that they were the people in the silver van. jmo

Yes Tobias,It is!
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The only problem for GGM Sykes and her initial version of going to the search scene was the presence of Flo Hollars, who was also a guest to the show. Upon hearing GGM’s statement above, Granny Flo IMMEDIATELY responded with:
“I was the one who told you that”

Having been “outed” by Granny Flo as to having specific knowledge of the search and it’s reasons, GGM Sykes was forced to reveal what she did not mention a word of in her first version of events!

Loooking,I understood that Matt was in AS home when he told her that,You are probably correct but thats what I thought,lol

Actually the chief investigator was at her home telling her this while she was on the phone with Matt Shaffer?? someone correct me if I am wrong,lol

I still think there was something that Misty said in her conversations to G.Hollar that peaked LEs interest. Misty forgets about being recorded when she gets excited.jmo

WOW,Correct again,lol Thank You Looking!

looking for Justice said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm WhyLie I know that. G.Hollar said Misty told her about Tommy and Joe tying the rope and cinder blocks to Haleigh. G. Hollar said that Misty asked her to call AS and let her know what was going on (paraphrasing) Misty called G.Hollar 15 min after Tommy on Sunday and then again on Monday. The info that Matt Saffer was on the phone with GGSykes when he heard the detectives telling her not to go down to the area due to contamination. I am not good at links but it is from http://www.actionnewsJax.com/media center/local.aspx?videoId=37384@wtev.web.entriq.net&navcatId=5. I hope posted this correctly.
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Gee wizz Looking,I did not see this when I posted,dunno why I didn’t? sorry!

jmo,better to take that chance than your son and grandson going to prison,jmo though!

I dont have to ask, just wondering if anyone else could come up with a different reason besides the most obvious one. lol jmo

All I can say this is very suspicious behavior.JMO

It sure doesn’t look good does it Looking?

add it to the snitch in jail remark of AS,and the do you think she’ll talk by TN,case solved,lol jmo

The person they are calling pops. That is TN boyfriend right?

Sad but true. I think some of it is guilt for alot of past issues. Look at the whole picture, another thing that I heard on the very first tape of Ron and TN was her saying she didnt love her more than him. Was she talking about Haleigh or Rons sister Crystal? It just struck me as odd, until I found out later that she had left Ron at 3 with GGS.
Do we know if she raised Crystal too? Or did she stay with TN? JMO

did you see the place TN and bf lived in when Haleigh went missing? beautiful place,a far cry from where they live now!jmo

Tobias,all I know is she dropped CS off at TN house when cs was 14,never saw her again fro 2 yrs!

actually to my understanding,MG went to school and said she was going to home school cs,and then took her to tn!

Yes CathyJo it is a beautiful place. It looked quite expensive. I wonder when they exactly moved from there. The eviction notice was this year in Feb. Tn gave Pomona Park as her current address in Feb 2009 when Haleigh disappeared.

m2c said,in July 27th, 2010 at 1:18 pm Aligoo @ 12:54 – How would anyone really “know” that Haleigh was better off with them? I mean the kind of people who’d keep her against the law? Yes, R took drugs. So do half the people in that area as far as I can see. So does/did Haleigh’s mom. So this whole thing of kidnapping or keeping her because she’s supposedly better off is a pile of hooey imo.
Hooey that’s been deliberately spread around since nearly the beginning of this case and is still being heaped on by the bucketful. It could be true, but again, no proof. I like a little of that before condemning someone – or condemning a child to living life without her own family.

m2c, sorry I didn’t reply earlier, but my power cord broke & I had to get it fixed. I meant that whoever took Haleigh might have justified it in their minds by telling themselves that she would be better off. They may not have approved of the lifestyles of the parents, for example. I didn’t mean to imply that I thought they were justified in what they did. People who commit crimes often justify them in their own minds.

Are we talking about Crystal S. or Crystal Cummings? I am confused. I know Crystal S. moved in with Ron at 14, but i thought Crystal C was also raised by GGSykes, but perhaps TN came back and got her and left Ron with his grandparents. I am not sure. Do you remember if it was in the Dana Treen article or not?

OH Ok I got confused there a minute.Thanks for the clarification.

It is ok CathyJo LOL!!

Thanks for the answer CathyJo. AS did raise both Ron and his sister Crystal Cummings.

LOL!!! You are awesome company CathyJo.

Lana said,in July 27th, 2010 at 5:45 pm I don’t think that would help much as Croslin is a very common name and in this day and age anyone can find out anything about anyone…

Timmy & Chelsea could change their last name to Nilsorc.

If TN and AS were in on the “cover up” why would they show up at the search and cast more suspicion on themselves? Also if they were in on a cover up wouldn’t they also know where Haleigh is? If I was going to help in a cover up, I would want to know where they put the body. That would be my first condition in helping cover up a crime, especially my granddaughter or great granddaughter. AS and TN showing up at the river search makes me think they do not have a clue what happened to Haleigh, nor where she is at. They were concerned about their granddaughter and what could have happened to her, nor do I think them being there is out of the ordinary. Them not being there is what would make me suspicious. JMO

Its just a feeling I have. GGS mentions Ron and Kirby being close. And when TN made that statement in the jail house tape thats what I got from it, she said you know I always loved you. And I know you thought I loved her more or something to that effect. I wished we had transcripts of it now. It always stuck with me. It was strange enough when she starts on about how he got Misty (witch) in jail when LE couldnt. jmo

Robin, I have to agree with you on that.

wish granted Tobias,look for the link when it posts,lol

Robin, I tend to agree with you but I can see how it could be interpreted the other way. My first thought was that they got wind that the area might be searched for evidence of Haleigh and wild horses couldn’t keep them away from looking for something relating to their loved one. It could also be speculated that they had a sinister motive for getting there ahead of the search with the idea of finding and hiding evidence.

Even if people continue to be silly Jan and Simon, please keep the news coming and thank you for all your hard work.

CathyJo63 said,in July 27th, 2010 at 10:11 pm Dana Treen Snip:

Sheffield became pregnant with Haleigh at 17. She and Cummings never married but lived with Sykes until their son was born 18 months after Haleigh

They lived with Sykes UNTIL their sone was born. So where did they move to when Jr came along?

I agree with the original Jules.

“NiceJules”

I know it was not long after Cs gave birth to Jr.

You are correct on that Tobias. They knew LE was going to search and the Chief Detective told her not to go down there because it could contaminate the scene.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if you would look back and see what Jules was talking about. She wasn’t being rude, just missed the apology from JB for misunderstanding a statement I made. JB blasted me for a typo, not once but twice.

GOTTA HIT THE HAY. TALK TO YA ALL LATER. PRAY FOR A SOLUTION AND JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH.

Goodnight Tobias. I will sure pray!

Yes Aligoo,they did,scroll up to the link i posted on it,lol

I don’t know for a fact that you are not her. I don’t know either of you. Furthermore, I could care less. It is just rude for anyone to assume something without reading the other posts.

NOT DRU,”JULES”
Shew,sorry Jules!

Aligoo, I hope you do not mind me answering your question. AS said on NG out of her own mouth that she and TN went there and searched all afternoon. Matt Saffer was on the phone with GGSykes and he heard the Chief detective tell her not to go there, but they did. Then on Tuesday AS went back up there and she was aked to leave. LE started asking the residents that lived there if they had seen a grey 1990s chevy van in the area recently. It makes me wonder why LE started asking this question about the van.

I am on now,and you’re in it,rofl j/k butI was gonna be a comedian but everybody just laughed at me!

When you come out with your own blog CathyJo, I already know of a few who would join it.

You gals are too funny. Comic relief is good.LOL!!

No, Looking, of course I don’t mind. Thank you!

Ronald would not be in the trouble he is in now if his family had not enabled him like they did.

Lady day I hope Misty sings too. If not this will more than likely all fall on her. I know she is scared and has every right to be. I do think she knows something though. I keep praying for her.

me too Looking,I pray she sings!
I still got faith in her!

see you guys tomorrow,a storm is brewing and I want no part of it!!

I hear ya. This is why Jan has to boot people off all the time. But some are entertaining! Some are just mildly annoying. Must be kids. lol

Aligoo said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

Tobia, are we sure that they were specifically told not to search there? I thought the story was that they heard that a search was scheduled and they went over early, before it was to start. When they were found in the area, THEN they were told to leave and not to participate in the search
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Your story is the correct one.

Thank you, Vaquera

Aligoo, I wish I knew. We hear that she had smoked pot, but AS said she was fine when she was there. I am not sure what to believe.

CathyJo63 said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

did you see the place TN and bf lived in when Haleigh went missing? beautiful place,a far cry from where they live now!jmo
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Her residence was 105 Rita Lane in Ponoma Park before Haleigh went missing and she still resides there.

I agree Misty sometimes says what she thinks people want her to say. She is manipulative and says what suits her purposes at the time. I don’t even think she realizes she is doing this. It may be a way of life for her and she has done this for years as a way of coping. I do know people like this. They think they are being honest but they are actually manipulating the situation.

With normal pot you can still function. But, it is possible to get pot tainted with something else and then anything can happen. You can get a very bad trip or be out of it and have confusing memories.

All i know vaq,the eviction was b/c they
didn’t pay their rent and eviction proceedings were filed in Lake County on February 8, 2010.

until February of this year (2010), they lived at Courtney Villages Apartment Homes at 423 Highway 466, Lady Lake, FL.

Vaq, TN did not live with her boyfriend in wildwood? I ask this because the eviction notice has her name on it as well as his as being evicted Feb 2010. What can you tell us about this?

looking for Justice said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

Vaq, if iirc the search started in the am on Tuesday. AS said they searched all afternoon and they did not find anything. On Tuesday AS also said they would not tell her anything and asked her to leave. They could not have been searching once LE arrived in the am on Tuesday. It had to be on Monday prior to the search.jmo
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right,they searched that monday afternoon before PCSO ever called them.

Yes, I am very skeptical of anything Misty says. I think she has twisted the truth so much in her life that she actually confuses what is true with what she wants to be true. A person who is raised to be truthful their whole life has a built-in meter for truthfulness. It is very hard for a truthful person to lie. But if someone has never had that guidance, then they are just like a 2 year old. They say what they want to be true or what they want someone else to think is true.

Vaq, G.Hollar called and told AS @ the request of Misty, she already knew that LE was going to be searching there because G.Hollar told her they were. I am not sure what the exact time was on Monday when AS was alerted by LE, but it was on Monday as well as Crystal was told on Monday evening. AS knew that LE would not be looking for an alive Haleigh so what exactly were they looking for that LE wouldn’t have found when they did their search?
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looking for Justice said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm Misty was supposed to have smoked a joint with Tommy @ about 6pm.One hour before GGS alledgedly arrived to bring laundry.

I suspect Misty had something more than pot after GGS allegedly came with the laundry and left. I don’t know if she left the home or if someone came to the home later, but I think she was into other drugs later, after the pot. Just my opinion; I have no real knowledge or proof.

Side note: For people in college in the 60′s, it was hard NOT to have some experience with pot, either personally or from people you knew. It was very commonplace.

Right Aligoo,I have often wondered too if Misty was slipped something,ya know,a roofie IIRC?
But I still believe Misty was following a script,jmo though,lol

I remember the day we were all talking about her getting evicted,I assumed from Rita Lane at the time?

I thought too CathyJo that Her boyfriend had a property in Putnam that was being forclosed on iirc.

believe it or not Aligoo,I actually thought the same thing but then I wondered if maybe they were asked to do this? then again being addicted and everything in the world hitting them in the face daily,I know it’s got to be hard, and yes,It is too sad!!

I read that Looking,somewhere??

I wonder tho,why they threw it out the window,Hank must have just started b/c of this mess or was getting it for her,it seems odd that they made their way up to Ron as he was leaving court that day.and they do this?? I can’t picture Hank doing coke,these are poor people?? Coke is a rich mans drug!

Vaq, I realize just how difficult it must be for them, but iirc LE not only searched the water , but also the banks and the woods near the river.

Cathy, when your name is on an original lease, you have to be notified of evictions even if you haven’t lived there in a long time.

ITA Aligoo. I do think cases of missing children will soon change due to Caylee and Haleigh cases. It will just become part of protocol when a child goes missing.jmo

lol!

CathyJo it was crack cocaine. He spent 20.00 on it. The poor mans cocaine.

ilovetheshowmadmen said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

I agree with that idea, except I can’t figure out if it was the other way around, Tommy did it and Joe helped? JMO

who knows they didn’t do it on purpose because i wondered if Lisa wanted it,why he’d risk it knowing this is what happened to his kids,but if they did,why did he toss it?

I’d say if Timmy hadn’t moved away the whole family would be in jail,so dang sad!!

I have to go to bed – my eyes are starting to fall out of my head. Good conversation, everyone!

(By the way, nobody got my little joke that Timmy & Chelsea should change their last name to Nilsorc so nobody will know who they are…ha ha)

Goodnite!

ITA with you Aligoo. No matter what drug testing needs to become apart of the protocol right from the start. It is all in the best interest of the child.

Amen Looking and Aligoo!

Regarding the search and the call from Granny Flo that Annette received… How do any of us know what was going through Annette and Teresa’s mind when they went down to the area that CHELSEA stated she told them to go? How do we know that they didn’t go down there fully expecting a LE search already to be underway? Then, upon arrival, seeing no activity, they didn’t just look around themselves? Are you all going to state that after having a missing loved one for almost a year and a half you wouldn’t look around yourself? I sure would! Especially not knowing if LE would even do anything or conduct a search. I would do anything in my power to find my loved one. It isn’t as if Annette and Teresa were down there diving in the St. John’s River. If they were, I’m sure they’d have been noticed. And quite frankly, I don’t think they are in the health to do so.

The following day is when LE called the meeting of the families to notify them of the case being called a “homicide”, and of the search of the river. That is when they learned the river was going to be searched, not on Monday.

Thanks J, and I agree that’s the way it happened.

Cathy, in the long run, Lisa serving a sort of long jail sentence may help her clean up. She doesn’t look like she’ll live long if she continues down the same road.

Hello J. I am sorry to disagree but it was on Monday they were told there was going to be a search. I will go back and find the article and tell you where you can find it, because I am not good at posting links.
Steve Browns son posted on here at about 9pm that his father had sloved the case and to watch the news on Tuesday. There was an article that stated crystal was notifies Monday evening about the search and to come to Putnam County on Tuesday. I am sure they notified AS and TN as well.

looking,the link is up above where I posted it,lol

CathyJo what time was the post where the link is to the search. I went all the way back to 10:15pm, but I did not see it. Thanks

Joe looked guilty in the interview, he’s guilty. Even Gramma Hollers said he would walk out of the room when she had her Haleigh shirt on. I don’t think she would lie about her own grandson, but I could be wrong.

CathyJo63 said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:38 pm looking for Justice said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm WhyLie I know that. G.Hollar said Misty told her about Tommy and Joe tying the rope and cinder blocks to Haleigh. G. Hollar said that Misty asked her to call AS and let her know what was going on (paraphrasing) Misty called G.Hollar 15 min after Tommy on Sunday and then again on Monday. The info that Matt Saffer was on the phone with GGSykes when he heard the detectives telling her not to go down to the area due to contamination. I am not good at links but it is from http://www.actionnewsJax.com/media center/local.aspx?videoId=37384@wtev.web.entriq.net&navcatId=5. I hope posted this correctly.
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Here it is I think,lol

THURSDAY, MARCH 12

Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin get married at approximately 4:30 p.m. at Cummings’ grandmother’s house in Welaka after being turned down by their minister to wed at the church or to perform the ceremony. The couple were married in the backyard by a Notary with 70 friends and relatives attending. Misty and Ron leave Satsuma that evening to fly to New York.

Officers search a nine-mile stretch of South Putnam highway for leads.

Law enforcement removes screen/storm door from side entrance of mobile home.

That may be true Michelle. It makes me wonder if Timmy was there too, and that’s the one thing they still aren’t telling the truth on. Tommy said Timmy failed some kind of LDT if what he said in that tape is true.

And Hank said on the video,”I know Tommy did nothing” not a direct quote but similar,

Michelle, seeing how few tapes of Misty got released the last two times (I think one was ONLY Tommy), I think Misty might be telling the truth finally. There has to be a reason why they released all that on Tommy and the few Misty tapes were from March and earlier.

I do wonder myself about the angel tattoo on Chelseas foot and it says Haleigh. I do think Tommy played a role and possibly Timmy too. Misty talks about and defends Timmy and she states that Timmy was Ronalds favorite in her family.jmo

I would wonder why they would keep Timmy out of it, unless he was the least involved. Maybe he witnessed something here and there and went home before they took Haleigh. But it still doesnt make sense as to why Misty would cover up for her brother and cousin if she knew something. I am sorry, but if my family was involved with murdering someone and the LE harrassed the mess out of me, I would tell. I would want the truth out. They are all covering up something. I wonder if they were all getting Haleigh high on drugs for kicks then she died, making it so noone can point the finger. If it were an accident well then they would say so, but drugs would be no accident. Unless like some keep saying over and over, Misty is innocent, maybe she is.

Me too Looking,and timmy said on the phone call it wasn’t safe for him to come back and Chelsea had been cleared? IIRC??

You are absolutely correct CathyJo. They fear something about coming to Satsuma Florida.

Did Timmy say that about Chelsea being cleared in one of the tapes?

I don’t think that’s the real OJ so everyone please ignore that troll.

Well everyone I am off to bed. CathyJo if you are in lurk mode Goodnight. God Bless you all.
Praying for Haleigh ,Zach and Kyron to be found.

What could have been so important to hide among them all that they couldn’t involve the cops as soon as she passed?
Was it that they were intoxicated,or theft involved,wanted for crimes,or something illegal when she passed. I would also think that if the husbands Timmy and Tommy knew something their wives would too. I would think after that the wives would have to tell.

CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:03 am

as a matter of fact,searchers were searching when the wedding was being held!
I would have been searching instead of getting married,just saying
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CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 am

Right Looking,me too and especially if your actions could cause contamination,afterall you want the one who did it to pay,so leave it to the pro’s! jmo
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You just contradicted yourself,LOL

Aligoo said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:45 pm I have to go to bed – my eyes are starting to fall out of my head. Good conversation, everyone!

(By the way, nobody got my little joke that Timmy & Chelsea should change their last name to Nilsorc so nobody will know who they are…ha ha)

Goodnite!
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LOL I got it right away…Croslin spelled backwards

Therea truth lol if i was a betting woman i would bet i know who u are……..

Your sorces cant be from Putnam co,they have Hanks phone,an my calls an texes are on it.As well as the recipt for the 35 dollars im sure Hank still had in his pocket from where i wired him a small amount.That how i know how much they had on them!!!!Im not here to make a beliver out of you,an its not for you to question me.Im responding because Jaba,as well as my old friend AnnTex were on the earlier part of the thread,an Jaba had asked me some ouestions.

I have talked to them a long while,stopped for a couple of months,dure to illness.But i see past the sin,an see the people.Im by far no ones Judge,an if a kind word,or a few dollars would help someone,im willing to put that effort forth. If they had a weakness for a drug.Half amarica has the same problem.Some just dont get busted.I like them an thats that.Im blogging like everyone else.Its on one of my texes about the Job i was trying to get him,a recent one. LOL .But then again i dont have to explain myself to you…Go back an tell your sorces,it concerns me not what they think.I know the truth!!!! Its no game these are human beings…an if my hearts lead to help someone i will ,if only just a kind word.

Hank ,an Lisa..doesnt know me from the internet smart butt,they dont blog they know me by phone!!!!! Hmmmm would i be a challenge if i had my own blog to you,Sorry i dont come on enough anymore to do that kind of work,im not the least bit interested..I enjoy Jan,an Simons writtings…As well as one other .But i wont fall into a cunfusion of a argument..Its not proper to come on another site an argue.So thats all i have to say about that .Bye be sure an tell your sorces hi!!!

Good Morning To Everybody Here.

I agree with a lot of you about the whyfors of Chelsea getting that tattoo. These people hardly knew Haleigh but for a short period of time, they werent exactly blood relatives to Haleigh. JMO she talked too much about things that were a little contradictory and tried to jump on the money train. I have always found it strange that the only ones except for Ronald who kept getting with the media were the wives of these brothers and they just talked too much for two girls who werent around when all this happened; both wives insisted their husbands were sound alseep with them, either on pain meds or whatever when Haleigh was taken.

I might be forgetting something, but I could have sworn Hardy had just become Sheriff of Putnam not too long before all this had happened. Cannot be easy for him to come from another County and take over with such a high rate of drug activity going on, not to mention a high profile case. Then the questionability of some of his officers in this matter that got out to the public. In hindsight, I think they should have been nicer to Cobra, I think he was on the right track, but the man just found too much onfo on everybody else for it to be coinicidence.

Michelle, I have heard it said when people take certain controlled substances, they have a higher perception of paranoia, doesnt matter of they are on stuff at the time, they are just paranoid of every little sound, every little thing, they think people are talking about them or are out to get them, etc. I think they just didnt want to be found out about their drug hobby, although everybody probaby knew about these people.

LadyDay said,in July 28th, 2010 at 7:44 am Good Morning To Everybody Here.

I agree with a lot of you about the whyfors of Chelsea getting that tattoo. These people hardly knew Haleigh but for a short period of time
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Good Morning,

I was looking at Chelsea’s myspace right after HaLeigh went missing and I read an old (not sure of the date) message from someone consoling her about the loss of a baby. Chelsea said it was a beautiful baby girl and she named her Haleigh. She said she was sad that the baby wasn’t with her, but she is now an angel in heaven.

She didn’t us the capital L like Ronald said HaLeigh’s name was supposed to be, it was Haleigh and that is how it appears on her tatoo. She may have heard the name before Misty and Ronald hooked up or maybe she heard it from the same source that Crystal and Ronald got it. Perhaps it is a very popular name, I don’t know.

Lana, I never heard that story before today about another baby named Haleigh, but the timing couldnt have been more off just the same. They dont have a pot to p in or a window to throw it out of, but they get these frivilous things right off the bat, generated a lot of media hoopla. I still cant figure out why CS father would say certain things like KY. is a safe state, just like MA. is a safe state, meaning cant be extradited. I think if the crime was serious enough, anybody could be extradited from any state.

CathyJo63 said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm and now we have Hank and Lisa to figure out,shewww,lol
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That is not hard, they are drug addicts and they were at the hopsital when HaLeigh went missing.

Aligoo said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

(By the way, nobody got my little joke that Timmy & Chelsea should change their last name to Nilsorc so nobody will know who they are…ha ha)

Goodnite!
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I got it, but was trying to decide how to pronounce it.

I think though, since we have not heard the phone call from Misty to her granny, it appears that while granny may have called AS on Monday afternoon, and AS and TN went searching the area Monday afternoon, LE had no reason to think about searching the boat ramp until Monday night. So doubtful that LE called AS on Monday and told her to stay out of the area. LE may have contacted the family Monday night, but I doubt they contacted them early in the day, given what Werter has said.

If somebody called me and said that Misty said Haleigh was in that area, and knowing the way LE has handled things so far, I would have put on my bug spray and headed to the woods, ESPECIALLY knowing the area was right around the corner from Hank and Lisa’s mh.

I guess the one thing that stands out in my mind is that TN came out against Misty and AS as well after Ron got arrested selling drugs with Misty. Why was it so important too Misty that Her grandmother call AS with this terrible info.Misty had already put out in the media prior to Shell Harbour that all of Rons family did drugs. It just seems very suspicious to me.jmo

LFJ

You need to go look on the message board. I wrote the same thin you did about Timmy and Chelsea.lol I hadn’t been here yet.

Cathy Jo

Congrats on the new Grandbaby. I couldn’t remember if I told you or not…..

WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:16 pm lfj, LE met with TC Monday around 5 for a couple of hours. TC then took them to Shell Harbor, with Werter and Brown. So LE didn’t know about Shell Harbor until Monday evening, so there is no way they could have told any family member about it prior to that.

The search started Tuesday morning. Hardy met with the family sometime Tuesday morning.
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If I am not mistaken it was early afternoon that SH met with the family.

Jan57 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 7:31 am
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Jan57, I just want to say that a heart as good as yours is an inspiration to me and others.

Ky I will go and look. Thanks

Texasmommy ITA with your am post @7:31am post
Lady I agree with your thoughts @ 11:28am post.

LadyDay said,in July 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am “It still is pretty frightening that these Croslins knew what happened . . .”

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Knew? Knew what? What happened? Where is Haleigh?
These people are in jail for drug charges.
There is nothing, no information, evidence, nothing at all that shows what happened to Haleigh. Who knows? Every word wrung out of these people could be a lie. A lie told to try to get lower bail and/or lighter sentences on the DRUG charges.

We still don’t know what happened to Haleigh OR who is responsible.

Hey everyone, I just wanted to add my thoughts on why Cindy got her disability right away and Hank didn’t. Cindys disability was mental, PTSD. Hanks was physical, back injury. I think cindy had people onthe inside helping her…Drs nurses etc. Hank had nobody. He should have atleast been able to collect temporary disability until they (DR) could decide if his injuries would be life long. which, if he brokehis back, would be, I would think. He just didn’t have the right people on the job. Cindy did. sad. cindy also knew the exact steps to take to get there, Hank didnot.

LOL!!! Texasmommy, it was the 11:27am. I just caught the 7:31 am from Jan57 you referenced in your post. LOL!!!
You are rught Texasmommy it does make you think that way.

oops! right; not rught. LOL!

methinks you that sounds about right. The educated versus the uneducated. It is very sad.

LFJ I did notice your post.
I am ignored half the time here so.. I now don’t stick around to do much chattin anymore. I just read and leave my thoughts now. I will not give up that HaLeigh is still able to be found. Gotta do some chores before it rains…I hope.. TTYL

vaquera said,in July 28th, 2010 at 12:50 am CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:03 am

as a matter of fact,searchers were searching when the wedding was being held!
I would have been searching instead of getting married,just saying
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CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 am

Right Looking,me too and especially if your actions could cause contamination,afterall you want the one who did it to pay,so leave it to the pro’s! jmo
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I must be confused,or you took it wrong? Contradicted myself??

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Will catch you later CathyJo when you come back. I must have just missed you. LOL!!

Texasmommy39 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 pm Some of the best people I have ever loved and still do are fighting their demons of addictions on a daily bases…. I will/ would never turn my back on them.

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My husband died from alcohol abuse, but when he was sober he was a wonderful person. He was a functional alcoholic for a number of years which included good and bad times.

The last thing he said to me was “Don’t you think I would have quit if I could have.” The last few years of his life were miserable for everyone but he is in a better place.

Hank and Lisa were not all bad and I feel sorry for them and I feel bad that their personal struggles have turned so public. It is sad that so many people find pleasure in kicking them while they are down and out.

Lana said,in July 28th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Good Morning,

I was looking at Chelsea’s myspace right after HaLeigh went missing and I read an old (not sure of the date) message from someone consoling her about the loss of a baby. Chelsea said it was a beautiful baby girl and she named her Haleigh. She said she was sad that the baby wasn’t with her, but she is now an angel in heaven.

She didn’t us the capital L like Ronald said HaLeigh’s name was supposed to be, it was Haleigh and that is how it appears on her tatoo. She may have heard the name before Misty and Ronald hooked up or maybe she heard it from the same source that Crystal and Ronald got it. Perhaps it is a very popular name, I don’t know.

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I remember the part about the baby only living a few days but I didn’t read all of the comments so I missed the baby’s name.

That explains the tatoo and the angel wings. So much has been made of the tatoo and it is in reality so simple. I do wonder why people with so little money get tatoos, but I see it often. Casey and the rest of her family could shed some light on that subject for us.

J, It is sweet of you to say “Praying for HaLeigh & all her loved ones!”.

So many people act like no one in her family loved her and they all brought this upon her and themselves.

Dru said,in July 28th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Snipped by me. “The last thing he said to me was “Don’t you think I would have quit if I could have.”

This brought tears to my eyes, but, your whole comment made me think of my dad. Dru, Im sending you lots of ((hugs)).

m2c. I just caught your comment RE that the Croslins knew, I should have been more clear, meaning some of the Croslins knew, meaning Tommy, Misty, maybe Misty didnt know the whole thing until after the fact or started remembering. I didnt mean that the elder Croslins knew, I do not believe they did know anything at all except their kids are in trouble, but I think other Croslins knew or figured it out, too much malarkey going on there.

This is a snippet from today’s First Coast News:

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement are still searching for the girl, who has been the subject of an Amber Alert since her disappearance, though Sheriff Jeff Hardy has told her family to prepare for the possibility that she is dead.

IMO
Preparing for the possibility that she is dead is a lot different than telling the family to prepare for a funeral. But since the investigation was changed to a homicide it makes the fear that HaLeigh is deceased more than a possibility in my mind.

I have no doubt that both sides of Haleigh’s family loved her, but I think they loved their drugs and addictions more, jmo.

I once heard Cobra say all of them have no idea what LOVE really is. I believe he hit it on the head, they dont really know what love means. Alot of us mothers know that mean self sacrifice, in my opinion none of those around Haleigh would give up everything and everyone to protect and love her. We see it all the time, mothers who think the new boyfriend is so important that the kids get pushed to the side. We also see this in men now since some (but few) have custody. Drugs came first in this situation and still did even after she went missing, Junior was put to the side. jmo

Maybe someone can help me understand a few things today….Why would TomME be the one to roll over? Is it because he was believed the last time? I am with LFJ they all did a lot of talkin on recorded lines and was able to collaberate a story that had already been said over and over again. Heck I bet some bloggers theory was read and at one time would of been believed. For some reason the story has bore no fruit and LOL no deals. I still have a “intrest” in Werter and SKB and their working relationship on the HaLeigh case.

I can’t stop thinking about a show I saw on Investigation Discovery a few weeks ago. A mother was put in prison for murdering her son, later to be proven innocent and a drifter was charged and found quilty. It could be that Misty was not at home and doesn’t know. As for Tommy, he has made up so many stories that he has confused everyone, including himself.

I remember Hank, Sr. saying to Tommy that he is not stupid but he is just a little slow. Tommy didn’t disagree so I guess he has always been a little slow and it is not a family secret.

Kc,

If misty wasn’t home, then where was she? And why hasn’t she told le? Or has she? I guess they wouldn’t tell us for sure at this point if her being gone tied into anything.

I agree. I ask you if you think that these three family’s had a good example to work from. IMO the ability to make better decisions comes from knowing the difference in living good and not. We are our childrens example.

I appears to me that all three families were caught in the spin cycle and had no clue as to how to get out.

TM39, no of course I do not think these three family’s did not have a good example from their own parents to work from. But, they did not live in a bubble and have seen where continuing the “family tradition” leads and at some point in their lives they have seen “normal” families. Any one of them could have chosen to not follow in their parents footsteps.

If you are raised the way these people were do you even know that you are the “offender” unless you do something really bad? Taking drugs, having children at an early age, waving guns around, etc. may seem normal to them. I am sure losing a child is not, but who is the “offender”?

looking for Justice said,in July 28th, 2010 at 2:24 pm Hey Lana. Good too see you.
I think what happened is that CathyJo was responding to two different post.
One was to show while the search on hwy. 17 was being searched and the door removed from the trailer; Ron and Misty were getting married and all of the Cummings family were there and at the reception instead of searching.
I had posted that AS was informed by G. Hollar per Mistys request and G.Hollar did tell AS about the info and the search that was going to be conducted. I know how hard it must be for the family, but it is better to leave the search to experienced LE to try and find Haleigh or the evidence that may have been there.
I think this is what happened with Cathys post. jmo
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Thank You Looking!You are correct,I guess thats why I didn’t get that she said I contradicted myself? and I assumed she took me wrong and didn’t understand at all?? or didn’t want too,LoL But actually now I can see where it was ALL MY fault!
was stating my own opinion,Thank God someone else understands my language,I know what I mean,even if I can’t explain it well,LoL

The offender, the criminal, the one who breaks the law and something bad happens.

All these folks were told right from wrong by others not in their families.

The fact that they decided they would keep on the wrong side of the law, has cost them and may have cost a little girl her life.

I wish I knew who did it and why where I could take a look at that along with their reported upbrings and figure where it went off the deep end, so to speak.

I can’t help but think that if misty knew what happened, she would have given it up already…especially now if she has heard that ron will testify against her. The only reason I could see her not telling is if she directly killed Haleigh and knows she may be facing lethal injection. Tommy on the other hand would (imo) give up his own child if he thought he could get out and get another fix. jo, I believe is involved but not sure as to what extent.Ron, imo also knows, but then we can run this thing into the ground, ( and have) and we may never know the truth. Just rambling guys, kinda missed ya but couldn’t think of anything new to say.

methinks said,in July 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
ITA!

methinks, glad to see ya! Sometimes it seems just keeping the fact seprate from the fiction is all we can do.

assuming we do have some facts,lol

TM good to see you as well. Sometimes we get so caught up in the little things since there isn’t anything new to talk about. I got a feeling though that somethings gonna’ break real soon and we will all be thinking “WOW, we should have figured that out” I sure hope so.
Cathyjo, hows the the little guy? I hope he’s well.,and mama too.

MeThinks,yes they are both fine,Thank you for asking!
Yep TexMom,more bs than not,lol

Off Topic,I was surfing looking for news,a guy was killed right here not a half mile from me,can’t even figure out anything except it was homicide,he ran out to the road and finally got help but died a few minutes later,his cat is also missing,Said he loved his cat and was a great guy,the killer is still loose?

J said,in July 28th, 2010 at 5:55 pm I am quite curious why the Croslins’ new charges are not appearing in the criminal dockets yet?

One of the articles yesterday (don’t ask which one, I don’t remember and read a bunch), stated that Hank had already pled NOLO at his first appearance. If that’s the case, he is basically just awaiting sentencing now, and he isn’t even in the docket yet.
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I read that too J! Already pled and waiting to be sentenced,My Lord,didn’t know things went that fast?

Well I am sure hope you will share when ya get em. LOL

MeThinks,I was hoping it was a ploy,ya know? but if it were I don’t think Hank would have tossed the drugs? jmo

OT crime report…..A women was jailed yesterday in my County for beating her husband with a hammer and a GUN. She looked like she didn’t take to many licks in her Mug shot.

I don’t know what it is with people TexMom!
Ya think you’ve heard it all!

If ya don’t want to be with somebody,There is a thing called divorce!!

They said on the day that Ron and Tommy had the fight in AS yard that ron was using AS morphine?? not a fact I don’t think! just sayin’

cathjo, you’d think the gun woulda’ done it…but a hammer too? whoa!

Exactly,thats why IMO she wasn’t abused? I may be wrong but thats how i see it!

Number 1 reason for women to beat or kill a husband is another woman. Thats a crime of passion and it can be over kill. jmo

Jules, If Chelsea still has minutes on her phone you can bet they called her to comment on their parents being in jail. jmo

Oh cathyjo, I didn’t know she brought a nurse with her. I really don’t think AS would have given her patches to ron willingly but for him to steal them, now thats a horse of a different color. Ever notice in some of the early pics of ron, he semmed to have marks on and in between his fingers? If those aren’t track marks, I’ll eat that horse I mentioned a few lines up!

Right Methinks,LoL Eat that horse!
Wasn’t it Misty too who said he shot between his toes? I may be mistaken,correct me if I’m wrong!

IMO He was usually high in interviews and so was TN,Just my opinion!

Texasmommy39 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:05 pm OT crime report…..A women was jailed yesterday in my County for beating her husband with a hammer and a GUN. She looked like she didn’t take to many licks in her Mug shot.
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If a man struck me I would have only one mark then the sucker would be dead. I have guns and knives.

Well I didn’t see his toes(thankfully) but I definately think he was shooting between his fingers. I’ve known addicts who did that when their veins would be in rough shape elsewhere. yikes

Ronald’s hands looked like he had been in a fight.

I remember reading that Ronald expected free food and drinks and even said “Don’t you know who I am”.

I believe she was giving that interview and said Ron was talking with the preacher. Thats when the preacher wanted nothing to do with him after that lie. He wouldnt let them marry in the church and wouldnt preform the wedding vows either. To me this says alot. jmo

Exactly Dru,he said he didn’t want media to focus on his private life,just Haleigh’s……pfffffffffft,he know media would follow him to Chillis!
and he allowed his wedding to be filmed,lol

Hi! Everyone.
Tobias that is correct that TN was telling media Ron was not doing well and that he had been with the pastor all day. OOPS! he got caught 3hours and 24minutes away in Pinellas county with Misty by his side.

Dru, iirc ABC picked up that tab in order to get the footage.

I dunno how people overlook this stuff and think ron is wrongly accused!
It’s so obvious??

I am not sure if there was a search going on when the county fair came to town. The fair was at the end of March or at the very beginning of April. It was on the same week-end that Crystals camp did the cook-out to say thank you to the public. iirc

methinks said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

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Methinks,

I believe that Ronald was doing landscaping during the days for his aunt’s company, and that his how his hand’s were cut up.

And it is only a rumor that Annette brought a nurse that night. There is no nurse in the family, other than on Crystal’s side of the family (Connie), or Lindsy Croslin (who only recently passed the boards). No one in Ronald’s family has a nursing license, despite that being rumored.

TimeLine!
SATURDAY, MARCH 21

William “Cobra” Staubs has been in Satsuma for more than a week. He is searching woods on his own and following up on leads.

Satsuma locals report seeing and photographing Misty and Ronald at local county fair without Junior.

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Sorry Looking,lol it was Cobra searching!

iirc CathyJo, the the search on 17 the day they married was the last search until August when they searched over by the area of Rons mh for the fake rose and then the mondex in September 2009.
You are not slow CathyJo; there is just alot too remember since it has been so long.

vaquera said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

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LOL Vaq, great minds!

That is exactly what I was talking about. Just in a lot more words than you used. Haha!

Misty said it was Rons aunt Lisa that was with AS when she allegedly brought over the kids laundry.

Under the tongue, omg, that gives me the chills just reading it, sounds so painful.

CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

He took Misty to the fair while a search was going on,IIRC!!
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Ron and the family were at the fair with Captain Dominic Piscitello, Merchant, and other members of PCSO at the booth that PCSO set up at the fair to hand out posters and take tips.

Crystal’s friends and other family members were outside the fair gate handing out posters of Haleigh as well.

PCSO was busy at the fair and were not conducting a search.

It was covered by local news.

Maybe somebody can remember for sure, but I believe that the search conducted on the day Ron and Misty got married was not for Haleigh but was for an item that may have been thrown from a vehicle. I remember there being a lot of internet chat about what the item could be. I believe that was the first or second day Cobra had gotten into town and he reported he was with LE during the search.

Don’t know if this was posted since the Croslin’s arrest. Just a tiny more bit of detail.

http://apexnewsnetwork.com/25368/misty-croslin-parents-busted-for-possession/
APEX News Southaven, MS

“Misty Croslin parents busted for possession”

DustyRose said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

We do not know that the actual killer is going free, mainly because we do not actually know that Haleigh is dead.

JenM – The Crystal being not involved is Crystal Cummings, Ron’s sister. The third name on the list is Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, and she is listed as may or may not be involved.

I would also like to see Chad Griffis on that list. He was not home that night. And his first interview with media was really strange.

Dang, WhyLie, the list just keeps getting longer and longer:

Chad Griffis – May or may not be involved

Texasmommy, IMO, because Ron trusted LE to do their job and find his daughter.

It is a long list and there is a few more
Nay Nay- may or may not be involved
Amber Brooks-may or may not be involved.

IMO that was the only choice he had. The fact that Crystal felt the need to lobby the public against Ron and make herself look better at the expence of HaLeigh doesn’t sit to well with me.

TM39, in my opinion none of them came out looking “good”, but it seems to be coming out that almost all that Crystal said about Ron was true.

oops !! there

I have not seen one shred of evidence that proves Crystals accusations against Ron for child abuse, and domestic violence are true.

I see a broken father who has crawled back into the world of drugs after loosing his daughter without a trace.

I remember Tim Miller crawling into a bottle after he lost his daughter. Lost his wife. Lost his job. Lost his family.

I’m not sure what hole I would crawl into if my child was missing and nobody could give me any answers.

I think he could be charged with accessory, illegally disposing of a body, lying to LE, giving a false statement during a criminal investigation, reckless endangerment of a child. I am sure if LE thought TC was there, saw something, knew something, they could come up with some charges.

WhyLie I agree with you that loosing a child is very devastating and not knowing if they are alive or dead.
I have yet to see evidence on the abuse allegations are true.
I do know there was a restraining order that Crystal did get against Ron at one time.
IMO Ron was into drugs before Haleigh went missing and we know he definitely was after. In all honesty if we can say that Haleighs disappearance drove Ron to drugs then we would have to allow a pass for Crystal as well. They both made poor decisions as parents, but I truely believe they both love their children. jmo

Now that this family is behind bars I am patiently waiting to see what will happen next. It has been so very long since this child has gone missing. There are so many messed up people in this world it’s sickening. I wish I knew if LE has anything new or will reveal anything they already know that we don’t. If there is anything. I assume they are working hard for their paychecks on this bunch.

I do believe that Ron had used drugs in the past, I also believe that he had passed every drug screen by DCF and passed drug testing at his jobs. Was he doing them,? Who really knows, but if he was I do not think it was to the degree that people portray.

Was he high during interviews after Haleigh went missing? I would presume so since I am sure the docs had all of them medicated including Crystal and Misty. That’s what docs do when there is a crisis in somebody’s life, it seems.

Crystal filed an OOP on Ron in an attempt to get the courts to give her custody of the children. KP explained that.

Ron was out of town when they tried to serve him on the OOP, guess who he was with? Good ole Crystal. He did not know about the OOP, but she did. He got busted for violating the order. Those charges were dropped, as well as the motion for the OOP.

Can’t trust what Crystal says, that’s for sure.

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looking for Justice said, “Do you think he just told a story to get a plea deal so he could get out of jail or do you think there is stock in what he professes?”

Well, if he just told a story to get out jail, it didn’t do him a lot of good did it?

I know most people on this list don’t believe Tommy. Why should they? He lies. They all lie. I personally believe the Shell Harbor dock story. I also think we may see some concrete evidence (no not concrete blocks) still yet to come from the Shell Harbor dock, or maybe not. I don’t know.

But I believe the Shell Harbor dock story that Tommy gives. Why? Because despite the fact that many on this list think Werter is a bozo as an attorney, I don’t believe so. I guess we’ll see. If Tommy gets 3-4 years then Werter is a terrific attorney. If Tommy gets 15 years then he sucks. So next Friday we’ll find out, Aug 6.

So why do I believe the Shell Harbor story? Because SKB, and Werter, both have bought into it. And IMHO neither of them is a dummy. SkB has been on this thing for a year. I know he visits TC every week or so in jail. I know he has done some additional investigation that he has shared with the PCSO but not with the public.

I know that Hank Sr. and most of the other family members communicate with him more than weekly (well, until Hank and LC were arrested) so I think he’s pretty well plugged in to what the facts are. At least as to what he believes the facts to be. So until I see something to the contrary I’m going to go along with the Shell Harbor story.

But I do keep an open mind.

Sorry to post and run but I have an early morning and it’s nearly midnight here.

My mother named me Jules, I didn’t have any say in the matter.

I have been posting here off and one for about 2 years and only found out the other day that someone else also named Jules.

CathyJo63 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:54 pm I dunno how people overlook this stuff and think ron is wrongly accused!
It’s so obvious??
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What is he accused of other than what he is in jail for? He deserves a trial just like everyone else.

WhyLie said,in July 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm I think he could be charged with accessory, illegally disposing of a body, lying to LE, giving a false statement during a criminal investigation, reckless endangerment of a child. I am sure if LE thought TC was there, saw something, knew something, they could come up with some charges.
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He may well be charged with all of the above and then some. Only time will tell. He isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

Tommy is a piece of work, I must say.

I have been posting on and off for the same amount of time and yesterday was the first time I have ever seen you Jules. But as you see I have revised mine. Still thinking of a new name but it’s also my birth name.
I don’t know who isn’t a piece of work in this family. Poor Haleigh never had a chance.

I really like this list you have compiled! I didnt read all the way through the list, but dont forget the Regans either. One of them also used to date Crystal I had read that awhile back and supposedly had a close encounter during one of the searches. I find one of them, if not both suspicious of all those items that were placed for Cobra to find.

LadySadie said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

OK, fact/fiction, actually we are still at square one. As I see it, this is all I can figure out:
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I’d like to add Amber Brooks and Lisa Brooks. They used to be at the top of my “who dunnit” list but they aren’t at the top at this moment.

Chad “I was out all night” Griffis too.

LS thanks for clarifying the list….

I think the whole world is a suspect, untill they find out who is responsible for Haleigh being missing.

Find Haleigh.

So OK, here is the revised list so far:

Haleigh Cummings – Missing/May or may not be deceased

Ronald Cummings – May or may not be involved

Misty Croslin-Cummings – May or may not be involved

Crystal Sheffield – May or may not be involved

Teresa Neves – May or may not be involved

Annette Sykes – May or may not be involved

Jack Lester Cummings – No clue

Marie Griffis – May or may not be involved

Johnny Sheffield – May or may not be involved

Hank Croslin Sr – Not involved in whatever happened
to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Lisa Croslin – Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr – May or may not be involved

Timmy Croslin – May or may not be involved

Joe Overstreet – May or may not be involved

Crystal Cummings – Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Lindsy Croslin – Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Chelsea Croslin – May or may not be involved

Robbie Middleton – May or may not be involved

Flo Hollars – May or may not have been told, but makes up things anyway in hopes of getting the reward money

Sex Offender – May or may not be involved

Ron Cummings Jr (Junior)- Haleigh’s little brother – totally innocent, precious little child that is missing his big sissy

Chloe Sheffield/Griffis – Haleigh’s little half sister – totally innocent, precious little child that may never get to know her big sissy

Jordan Brooks – Haleigh’s little half brother – totally innocent, precious little child that may never get to know his big sissy

Drug Dealer’s/Users that any of the adults in
Haleigh’s life may have been involved with – May or may not be involved

Chad Griffis – May or may not be involved

Nay Nay- may or may not be involved

Amber Brooks/Lisa Brooks-may or may not be involved

White Boy Greg Paige – may or may not be involved

Jeremiah Regan & Dad – Disgusting scammers that tried to make money off a missing child

LadySadie, I would take baby Jordan’s name off of the list since there is absolutely no confirmation he is related to Ron, and it’s not fair for this little guys name to be out on the net without anybody even knowing if he is related. Given his mother did not show up with him for DNA testing, that could be an indication she knows Ron is not the father.

WhyLie, Maybe baby Jordan’s mother didn’t want to be tied to Ronald or have her child tied to him for the rest of his life. Not much chance of getting a lot of child support so she would be better off on her own and wouldn’t have to deal with visitation by him, his family, etc.

Now that he is going away on an extended vacation it appears to be a good choice. But you are correct that Ronald may not be the father.

Good Morning,
Ok the list is coming along nicely now can we tie a motive to each one?

Ronald Cummings – Accident

Misty Croslin-Cummings – Accident

Crystal Sheffield – Illegal custody change

Teresa Neves – Accident

Annette Sykes – Accident

Jack Lester Cummings – Accident?

Marie Griffis -Illegal custody change

Johnny Sheffield – Illeagal custody change

Hank Croslin Sr – Not involved in whatever happened
to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Lisa Croslin – Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr – Accident/Drug induced involvement in HaLeighs abduction

Timmy Croslin – Accident

Joe Overstreet – Drug induced homicide

Crystal Cummings – Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Lindsy Croslin – Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Chelsea Croslin – Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact

Sex Offender – I realy do not even have to say.

Drug Dealer’s/Users that any of the adults in
Haleigh’s life may have been involved with –
Drug deal gone major wrong
Chad Griffis – Illegal custody change

Nay Nay- Revenge
Amber Brooks/Lisa Brooks-Revenge
White Boy Greg Paige – Sorry guys he took a polly and passed. I do not believe he belongs on the list.

Jeremiah Regan & Dad – Illegal custody change/ $$$$$$$
I took a few off that IMO do not belong on a POI list. The children are innocent and have nothing to do with HALeighs abduction.
IMO there is two motives that stand out
accident and illegal custody change.

TM39, I agree that the children should not be on the list, only put them on there because someone last night requested it. OK, my views at to motive:

Ronald Cummings – Accident/Drug induced involvement/Drug deal gone bad

Misty Croslin-Cummings – Accident/Drug induced involvement/Drug deal gone bad

Crystal Sheffield – Custody issues/$$$

Teresa Neves – Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up

Annette Skyes – Cover up

Jack Lester Cummings – No involvement – may have been told what happened after the fact

Marie Griffis – Custody issues/$$$

Johnny Sheffield – Custody issues/$$$

Hank Croslin Sr – No involvement – may have been told what happened after the fact

Lisa Croslin – No involvement – may have been told what happened after the fact

Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr – Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up

Joe Overstreet – Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up

Timmy Croslin – Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up

Crystal Cummings (Ron’s sister) – No involvement – may have been told what happened after the fact

Lindsy Croslin – No involvement – may have been told what happened after the fact

Chelsea Croslin – Cover up

Robbie Middleton – Paternity issues

Flo Hollars – want her 15 minutes of “fame” and the reward $$$$$$

Sex Offender – name say it all

Drug Dealer’s/Users that any of the adults in Haleigh’s life may have been involved with – drug deal gone bad, may have been ripped off

Chad Griffis – Custody issues/$$$

Nay Nay – Revenge/drug induced involvement

Amber/Lisa Brooks – Revenge/drug induced involvement

White Boy Greg Paige – Sex/drug involvement with Misty

Jeremiah Regan & Dad – Disgusting scammers that tried to make money off a missing child

Goodmorning all,
The list is coming along very nicely.you all have done a great job.
Texasmommy, you make some very valid points in your 9:14am post.
It would be most helpful if Putnam would share a little bit of info with us so we could know what to take off the list.

LadyDay @ 7:26 am You said, “I’d really like to see Misty stand up for herself, for one time in her life and say something in court, just let it all fly, no matter what her sentence is for the drug deals.”
— I think if M had anything at all to say – even possibly a confession of guilt on her part – that she would say it if she’s been offered the right deal on her drug charges. Her lawyer may be interfering with that if he really thinks he has a good chance of getting a low/no sentence without her giving any info. But to me that would be due either to his ego or LE not putting Haleigh first and drugs second.
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For the motive list it would be good to add Revenge for Marie, Johnny and Chad. They’ve had a lot of hostility toward R for years.

Good morning lady, m2c, whylie, just sayin,texas mommy,looking, and Ga.girl, kc, and I hope I didn’t miss anyone, Today I decided to ponder the possibility that cs may have taken, or had taken Haleigh. Perhaps those bruises were not related to the school yard… well maybe some of it was and the school documented that but maybe after school something happened, and more injuries occurred. If so, this was probably not the first time, and both sides knew it. Maybe sheffelds did have someone come in and snatch Haleigh knowing that it would end up in cs getting custody of Jr. Maybe the reason was that Haleigh was the most vulnerable due to her medical issues, and it seemed as though she were the one ron targeted most because she was clumsey and needed more care than Jr I know this sounds crazy and maybe I am, but what if? I know many of you here have already thought about this over and over but maybe it should be thought about one more time…shefelds had nothing but time on their hands to plan and it seems they had more than opportunity to make it happen…blame the babysitter, blame ron , they didn’t care who took the blame as long as they had Haleigh, Jr would be granted through the court…eventually. Just my thoughts today. also, maybe thats why it took so long for crystal to get there, in her heart she knew it wasn’t an emergency. Now please be gental with me when you point out the fact of this theory that don’t fit in….I’m tender today and I may cry. chuckle sort of.

Hey guys, I gotta’ leave my puter for awhile, the landlord is coming to work in the office, so I must shut down and….let em…I guess. bbl as soonas I can!

Robin, I agree!
methink, IMO the theory has been more plausible than any other. Out of all the theories it is IMO the most hotly debated and has caused the most back lash on its believers. i have never understood why it became a “side “isssue and never about finding HaLeigh and who did it. IMO that had a lot to do with CS,MG and KP, Cobra, AH and many, many others.

Good morning everyone. AnnTex i sure have missed you.I didnt forget about little Emma bless her heart.But had not heard anything in a long time.Im wating on Coe to get whats comming to him for such a awful crime against a child.Little Emma didnt deaserve to have her life ended like that it makes me so sick to my heart to even think about what Emma went through,or Caylee,Little HaLiegh if shes been killed..Did you get to go to the trial against her mother? I know your a long time fighter against abuse of children.

Yes it was my son who got in the wreck, hes got my compassion for people..He has a Job comming up in Alabama next month.I dont know what this involves.The one before Fla the 4th,he did one for David Copperfield.I so wish we could have got Hank some work,he wouldnt have had idle time on his hands,an the moneys great.It would have helped them.No i havent wrote yet,but im going to call the jail there an get the address.I really do need to take time to write them,an others soon.

I know in my heart Casey took Caylees life from her.But in HaLieghs case,i just dont know what to believe as to who may have murdered,or covered up a accidednt.That is if she is dead,an not tucked away some where.It just doesnt look like she will be found.I do not blame GG Sykes for wanting proof that HaLiegh is deceaced/evidence to prove it.If the child was dumped in the river ,i doupt they will ever fine any evidence there.Another heartbreaking story among so many.Its every day,or other day something happening to these precious innocent children.

To all of you who made mention of my helping them.I assure you i have seen way worse.Thank you for understanding my compassion.If it was one of my loved ones,i would want someone to be kind to them. Jesus said to love one another.Pray for those who have fallen.Im aware things are getting worse in this old world.When i was growing up we may hear,every now an then of a child being murdered,but not to the extent that it happening now,an the mothers who are murdering thier children OMG, it has gone off the charts..
When speaking to my mother,an other elders things have changed drastickly sence they were young.Her day was even so much different from when i grew up.My teens were when(flower power free drugs,started happening) now we have the drugs an murders of children.If we really knew the extent of how may children have died at the hands of those they know just this yr alone,it would be staggering.

We hear only a touch of whats going on in this world.It makes me so mad how they are packing all the sex O /pedifiles into these small towns Its awful,walking free on bond serving short sentences..So what do we do,all i know is this nation must pray as a whole,an fight for stiffer laws against those who harm children.The court system must set a example if you murder a child no excuses,they should be put to death for the murder of the innocent,an helpless….Lethal injection is a whole lot more human that what some of these killers did to these babies.Enough is enough!!!..Like the mother who slit her girls throats.She wasnt suppose to have unsupervised visits with her girls.But a Judge allowed it,an she cut their throats that very day,she got the visit.That Judge needs to be fired,an charges his self,he was suppose to do right by those children before him.The Judge already knew she tried to kill her own self in front of the girls i think 3 weeks prier.How could someone like that ever be trusted around a child again,no amout of mental meds that they can stop using at any time an flip out again Meds wont stop someone when they have murder in their hearts!!!

Like the man who only served 5 yrs after raping a teen,an getting out to wind up killing the other 2 girls….5 yrs,but someone faces 25 yrs or more for some pills who had no record.Its amasing to me.I think selling drugs is wrong,an according to the case should be punished.But for a change I would like to see LE capture some of the major drug dealers comming in to this country.Like where did the coke come from that the crack was cook up from -that those had who got busted where Hank bought from? Who dilivered that coke into town?.Who brough the shipment of coke into Putnam.Whos the big boys??? Well im on a roll this morning,but it all upsets me at how it getting worse every day …..An still we have no HaLiegh,or Anwsers….

Just because it has not been made public does not mean every relative and friend of the S/G side was not checked out. I believe this would have fallen to FBI since it would be an investigation in other States. I am sure once the Sunshine laws go into effect we will see just how much was done. jmo

Oh, please. Discounting methinks’ theory based on the likes of KP, AH, Cobra and SKB. That’s actually almost humorous.
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I can consider the theory very well, methinks, but the motive you attribute – that R was abusing Haleigh – is very far-fetched. First, if the angelic host of the Sheffields really thought that, they would have had much more success with their numerous DCFS complaints. Remember both the school and DCFS was keeping a close eye on R and Haleigh.
And second, I really think money and revenge suit that crowd much better as motivators – MG, JS, CS (although she may not have known about it at the time) and Chad G.

Do you really believe that side was never investigated? With FDLE and the FBI on the case? Just because it was not made public does not mean it wasnt done. I cant wait to see the Sunshine laws to take effect.jmo

I am not discounting any theory, just pointing out that we dont know anything about the investigation into the S/G because KP and others made sure it never went out in the public. jmo

Ronin i agree,an have always felt that way.

tobias, in your commet at 11:06 am you seem to doubt LE’s decisions.

And yet at 11:01 am you seem to trust them implicitly.

IMO the list of CS defenders had other motives in mind, aside or instead of finding HaLeigh. IMO $$$$$$$$$$$$ has been a motive for the whole Sheffield entourage.

methinks lets explore that.Haleighs monkey bar accident at school occured on the 8th of November iirc. She was taken to the ER in St. Augustine. A couple of days later Haleigh was taken back to the ER for a stomach virus. According to Rons prior lawyers web page TN stated and produced a time stamped pic of Haleigh on Nov. 14,2008 and Haleighs face had totally healed.;her face was clear of any lacerations. AH uses that pic of Haleigh. She looks so spunky in that photo. Crystal produces a pic that Connie Sheffield says she took and gave testament that it was taken on Nov. 16,2008. It was not time stamped. Haleighs accident happened iirc after Haleighs visit with Crystal and had allegedly healed prior to haleighs next visit with Crystal two weeks later. Crystal said that her cousin told her that Ron, Misty and the kids came by and Haleigh smarted off or something and Ronald slapped Haleigh to the ground (paraphrasing).
The pic of Haleigh allegedly taken on the 16, of Nov shows lacerations and bruising. The pic taken by TN on Nov 14,2008 shows no marks on Haleighs face. Question is how did Crystal get that pic of Haleigh with injuries since Haleigh got hurt and healed after her visit with her mom and healed before according to TN Haleighs next visit with Crystal.

TY LFJ I didnt know this info. I knew about the photo and the playground accident but not the later photo that TN had that showed her healed on the 14th. hmmm. How did Connie get the picture of her on the 16th? Or really any time after the accident? since she was with Ron the whole time??? jmo

tobias said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am

Do you really believe that side was never investigated? With FDLE and the FBI on the case? Just because it was not made public does not mean it wasnt done. I cant wait to see the Sunshine laws to take effect.jmo
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Not really. Did they take computers, did they even give them LDT’s, did they get cell phone records? Hell they didn’t even search up there till June supposedly at the request of Marie.
I read somewhere that someone in PCSO said they didn’t see what the motive to the maternal side of the family taking was? I saw lots of motive.

Good question Tobias. How Crystal came up with that pic is unknown to me. All I have to go by is that Connie said she took it on Nov 16,2008 and then when you see the pic of Haleigh with the time stamp of Nov 14th, 2008 with no visible injuries makes you wonder what happened in just two days. Crystal said that she took Haleigh to see Connie on that Sunday the 16th before returning the children to Ron at 6pm.

That search at the Griffis farm also took place shortly after the round table meeting and there has not been another since. Chad was pulled in for questioning after the Satsuma 5 where arrested and the very day of the one year vigil.

Vaq, what makes you think they did not get cell phone records. We know Crystal took a poly but was not given her results according to her they said they had to send them elsewhere. We do not know if LE took computers or not. They must have went there in the beginning because they said Crystals nebulizer for Haleigh was present and accounted for, while Rons was not. It was stated that when Haleigh went missing so did her nebulizer; not her inhalers,they were still present.jmo

Thank you, Vaquera. you once again said it the way it is. Too many hokey things said here and there and the looks between CS and her mom on some of the tv shows, Gerlado? where they look at each other after that oh so subtle pregnant pause and then uh uh uh. They also pointed out about when Haleigh fell in the creek when she was younger but why point a finger to Ronald when you were there as well? I do not think CS took Haleigh to ER for water inhalation and Marie labeled it as just a small incident. Its all those things they had done that make think the way I do. sorry.

So, Chad was not home, and possibly MG was not home. Remember it was MG that gave Chad an alibi to media, saying she knew he was home.

Vaquera@2 11:41am You said, “I read somewhere that someone in PCSO said they didn’t see what the motive to the maternal side of the family taking was? I saw lots of motive.”
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I read that, too. All I can think of is stupid, stubborn, short-sided, narrow-minded, tunnel vision – at best. I really hope LE was not really that incompetent? manipulated? prejudiced?
Sorry, can you tell that upsets me! lol!

m2c, well what else would you call it when they don’t search the non-custodial familes property for months and months.

Number 1 in child abduction is noncustodial family. Even if they weren’t involved, why wasn’t LE all over them, just as a part of CART protocol. Heck LE didn’t even go to Crystal’s and interview Chad until Wednesday. Why wasn’t FDLE there immediately?

J, thanks. It looks like the State has not charged them as of yet, on the drugs, given the pending status.

The State has 30 (actually 33) days to charge somebody that has not bonded out. If not charged within that time frame the judge will release them on an OR.

I believe the State has something like 90 days to charge somebody if they have been bonded out already.

Just because somebody is arrested does not mean the State will file charges. If the SA thinks the case is weak, etc. the State won’t file charges.

Since they bought the coke off of an LE i dont think the case is weak. H and L are going away for a little while in my opinion. Too bad they couldnt behave when they were both on probation. JMO

I believe Ron said on NG that it was missing but that Haleigh didnt use it just the inhaler.
And NG said you couldnt tell if she had used the inhaler and he said no. jmo

tobias, according to the LE interview, Lisa did not go into the house and buy the coke, only Hank did. That might be a problem for the state.

looking for Justice said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

Haleigh did not have to be using the Nebulizer at the time of her disappearance. It would of still been present in the home if she needed it. If it was rumor about the nebulizer then why at the fake search was there a nebulizer breathing tube found said to be Haleighs like the rest of the items that LE did not accept?
If Chad Griffis got hauled in on the one year vigil and then again after the fabulous five got arrested that appears to me they were being investigated.jmo
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An inhaler was found on the fake search not a nebulizer

IMO a lot of possibilities have been investigated. As I said there is a MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence and nothing that links anyone paticular to the crime of HaLeighs abduction. IMO that could mean many things, but, when you consider the fact that HaLeigh has not been found and many have physicaly looked for her it seems a little far fetched that anyone that we have been looking at could of taken and hidden HaLeighs so well that she still remains missing. IMO that indicates someone else had motive and an agenda to make it a clean crime full of circumstantial evidence. IMO that clearly indicates HaLeigh realy was not the target and it was Misty and Ron that where to be effected by HaLeighs abduction.
Revenge and $$$$$$ fit in with this mindset and the only one that has shown themselves to be all about revenge and $$$$ is the Sheffields. JMO

Noone said medications Vaq. We said inhaler and Ron said it on NG himself. Do you think he lying about that? If you do come across the pic I would appreciate it if you could direct me to it. Just because they did not go and get the computers right off the bat does not mean they did not at all, just saying.jmo

Shoot, I meant inhaler. Sorry!

You can take a hard drive out and replace it in a matter of minutes. I have done it several times. jmo

I believe there is an article that said they were all at PCSD when Ron and Misty were there getting questioned. They were also questioned then. Cathy could probably find the article again, she has some of them saved I think. It came up once before not too long ago. jmo

Tobias I thought I remebered that to, but I could not remember where.

For a family that was cocerned about public opinion from the get go I have never understood why those questions where never asked or answered for the publics consumption. The interview that with Shepards Smith is where CS gives that look to MG after that long pause. Also I wanted to share this video of a interview with Crystal that is very interesting after all this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFIBsFxTVM8

J, it would be in the NG transcripts. Ronalds said Haleigh was not using meds, but only her inhalers twice a day. When I get time I will go back and find it for you . I had posted it along time back, but did not save.
It was not me that claimed there was an inhaler found at the fake search. I only read about a nebulizer tube.

looking for Justice said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

WhyLie iirc correctly there was mention of a nebulizer breathing tube( not the machine) also found at the fake search besides the inhaler.
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A lot of information has managed to morph over the last 18 months. No nebulizer or nebulizer parts were ever mentioned by the people that were there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E32-t1uLY_M&feature=related
This is the interview with Shepp.

We discussed the arrival of CS and MG on that Tuesday not too long ago on here. I, too, thought I read or heard that they went to PSCO headquarters, but I could not confirm with a link that it was fact. I chalked it up to rumor(or maybe seeing it on a blog) since I could not find a credible link (and I tried endlessly to find one). I agree with Tobias that CathyJoe might have a link to this, but I do not remember anyone posting one during the last discussion. JMO

Marie G. wwas given a LVA
Chad G. given a LDT
WBG given a LDT
Crystal given a LDT
Misty given 3 LDT and a LVA
Tommy given a LDT
Joe given a LDT
Ron given a LDT
Not sure about Timmy may have when questioned in Mass. by FBI and PCSD.
Chelsea would not be given a test since she was pregnant.
Anyone else have anyone to add? jmo

Tobias what about Christina Prevatt? Was she ever given an ldt that you know of?

Tobias have you talked with HollyGmom lately? I bet she would have the info.

She’s been staying over at radio’s board but I haven’t noticed her there in the last few days or so.

When I talk with Cathy I will have her PM it to you . That way you wont have to search through to find it later. I dont believe NayNay ever took a LDT. JMO

By the way Tobias thank you for asking CathyJo to pm it to me.

That is one of my top theories and why it was covered up by all 3 of them. They wanted it to look like a SO did it. Otherwise they would be sitting right where they are now, along with the charges for Haleigh. The problem is they all may have covered it up so well there will not be any evidence to find.jmo

If it was a case of accidental OD, they should have just spoken up. People in that town know what they are, and they probably would have got a lesser charge against them. They just went about their business like it was no big deal, thats why I think they know who took Haleigh and why they took her. It wasnt about drugs, it was about getting even.
Wonder if LE gave Chelsea a LDT after her baby was born? Nobody should be immune from that, I know it cant be forced, but still if theres nothing to hide, why not step up and take one.

Tobias, need to ask, are you 100% certain Joe was given an LDT? The morning of his departure to TN? Why would they give him one so early in the case especially since he was staying at Timmy’s? I would like a link, if you have one, as to who took the test. Thanks.

I am pretty sure Joe was given on in TN a couple of weeks after he went home.

I thought I read Joe took a poly. I think it was a site called Misty Croslin.com. iirc I think Timmy nad Chelsea were questioned about 14 hours.

That’s what I remember too, looking. Wasn’t that right after Tommy was arrested and he told police he went back to the trailer at 10 knocked on the door and no one was home and he hung around for a bit??

Tobias @ 2:35
Everything that I’ve read that R said to LE the night of Haleigh’s disappearance CONTRIBUTES to a “locked room” mystery. He said there were new locks, the one lock did not look jimmied, the children could not reach the locks and that Haleigh was scared of the dark and would not go out alone. That’s just what I remember off the top of my head.
And M said she was there the whole time asleep.
NOTHING those people said contribute to an SO.
What they said incriminates M (if in fact R was at work).
If they had wanted to make up stories to make it look like an SO they did a p-poor job (exactly the opposite).
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And please, folks, Jan has asked us to provide sources/links when quoting from articles etc so please name the source and provide a link.

If the link could get held up in moderation just say it will be in your next comment and put it in the next one. Then we have the info and named source and can get the link later when it shows up.

Ron said many times early on that the door was lock picked or broken into. We all have heard it right out of his mouth on video. jmo bbl

WBG was questioned by the FBI and given a LDT early on, so I would imagine Nay Nay was as well.

Guess I hit a raw nerve with you and Since you wont share I guess I will ignore you. jmo

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WhyLie said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

Ron and family were at the fair with Piscetelo, and other LE at the booth LE set up to hand out fliers and accept tips.

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AMEN!

It sure doesn’t paint the picture that most people want to portray of Ronald and his family, though, does it?

It is nice to see some real information coming out today, not this assault that has happened for so long.

OMG, I hope you will stick around. Just be careful with how you post. We have had our comment section shut down due to attacks. It would be wonderful to see people with true info stick around after all the lies, rumors, etc. And welcome!

Jan Barrett:

If you are monitoring this comment board, please check your e-mail. You have an urgent message regarded Zach’s case.

Thank you!

Oh My Whee! I thought we could all congregate in here and chat and do what I refer to as exchange of information, right or wrong, good or bad. I think it is everybodys given right to do this, free speech and all that and I dont think any of us are doing anything more than exchanging and trying to figure out things. Isnt it funny the moment the story gets shifted to include others to chat to try and figure this out, we all get the cast iron pot thrown at us? Touchy, Touchy. LOL.

Yes, Ronald and Misty were at the Fair. I dont defend them, but my goodness, if they got to share a cotton candy and rode the whip in between being at the booth, who cares?

Dont you love that word, Assumption? It always makes an Azz out of you and me, but right now, only one looks like a donkeys behind. Time for our cans of Raid I guess peeps! Checking back later when thy bug is squished.

hOPE THE NEWS ABOUT zACH IS GOOD NEWS. wILL BE CHECKING BACK IN LATER. JMO

I hope Zachs case is good news, for his familys sake.

There are more articles on up pertaining to Tim and Chelseas questioning as well.

Now I remember, it was after the alleged sighting in MA.

Were they given LDT’s too? If so is this the LDT that Tommy said Timmy failed?

WhyLie said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

lfj, my issue is why would people, like the bald wonder, take the time to say they saw them at the fair, but not bother to include the entire story. Yes they were at the fair, along with LE at the booth. Did they take Jr on a ride or two, maybe, it was a fair after all.

It just really burns me that people can pick and choose the parts of a story, that fits their own agenda in order to try and make somebody look bad, but can’t tell the truth about the whole story.

I guess Ron working side by side with LE in doing something to help find his daughter might show him in to good of a light, so heaven forbid we report that part of the story, lets just twist the story a bit and make Ron look like a thoughtless creep who was out having a grand ole time at the fair while his daughter is missing.
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I agree.

Me, too, Vaquera and WhyLie.

Well I see that we have a few new posters. Welcome and Hope you will join us and offer any assistance you can in keeping the facts straight. After 18 months it has been a struggle to get the truth and after 18 months for so many untruths to be exposed it seems to be an issue with many that hold sted fast to their facts.

Amber Alert
Karmen Barfield

Chanel 9 orlando reports that they found the Truck that took the little girl and that someone was taken into custody. The truck was found in Orange City which was 62.4 miles away.

They also reported she may have been found near there.
Actually i saw video of them holding a little girl.

Channel 9 rocked on this one.

Thank you so much Billybob for the update on the little girl.

Tobias, I appreciate you taking the time to look for a factual report of Joe taking a LDT. I have been trying to find that out for a while now and can’t find it. He was interviewed by LE who took the time and money to fly to TN at the time of the river search (when he lawyered up)and near the beginning of this case, they spent the time and money again to interview him. But, to date, I haven’t seen the fact that he has taken an LDT. Sure would appreciate it if anyone has that information. Sure would appreciate it if someone can factually deny that he has taken one, too. Thanks.

ecours said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

Tobias, I appreciate you taking the time to look for a factual report of Joe taking a LDT. I have been trying to find that out for a while now and can’t find it. He was interviewed by LE who took the time and money to fly to TN at the time of the river search (when he lawyered up)and near the beginning of this case, they spent the time and money again to interview him. But, to date, I haven’t seen the fact that he has taken an LDT. Sure would appreciate it if anyone has that information. Sure would appreciate it if someone can factually deny that he has taken one, too. Thanks.
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Joe has had Sirgo as an attorney for 3 years so he didn’t just lawyer up like Hardy said.

PCSO also flew up last fall to talk to Joe again.

Vaquera, you are right, Joe has had this lawyer for three years. Long time for a young guy but I think I would agree with Hardy that Joe lawyered up, after the river search, in that he meant Joe wasn’t talking about THIS case other than to say “I didn’t do it”. I want to know for sure if he took an LDT (I won’t know the results of course) but just if he did. Tobias says above, he did. I don’t think he did or have never seen a link as to whether he did. Or didn’t.

vaq, I found a web site http://www.help find my child.net/haleigh-cummings. There are alot of snippets on there. I found one from Sept 8, 2009 that stated Misty said that LE wanted Timmys cell phone records. Misty said ” my brother has nothing to do with this”. This is my first time reading that LE was wanting Timmys cell records.

LFJ , sorry I tried the post in yellow but put the of it, and it worked.

cat dixon said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

will someone please explain to me why everyone keeps referring to a fake search. I tried to look it up but I am coming up with nil. What made it fake? Who would plant stuff on their own property, or for that matter who would plant stuff on someone elses property? What would the motive be? What made it fake? Who decide that it was fake? Thank you in advance for clearing this up for me
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Hi Cat,

There was an actual search in San Mateo, so in that sense, it wasn’t “fake”. The search has been deemed a “fake search” due to the way the search was conducted, what was found, who was there, those who planned it, and how it all went down. The whole thing was just quite odd (to put it mildly), is a good way to describe it.

Connie Sheffield posted here on BNN and gave her account of the “fake search” a few months ago. I can actually give you the exact dates… let me check for you…

March 20, 2010 Connie was posting

I don’t know what article she was posting on, but if you go back in the archives for articles relating to HaLeigh, you should be able to find Connie’s posts.

oops!! http://www.helpfindmychild.net/haleigh-cummings. Here you go! I told you me and links do not get along.LOL!! I think I have right now.

Misty sure did come to Timmys defense. Makes ya wonder why she protected Timmy and not Tommy? She through him under the bus right away with accusations of messing with her and being a crack head. But of coarse that was after Ron and Tommy had that fight and the rat in the mailbox so I can see her reasoning. She
put a little fear of god into him with those statements. jmo

tobias said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

Tommy and Lindsy have another hearing tomorrow. Tommy get sentenced on the 6th of August. That is just a week away. jmo
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You forgot his birthday is in between those dates

Has anyone heard anything about the vigil AS and TN are planning for the 10 of August? You would think there would be something about it.And Haleighs birthay(7) is coming up on the 16th. jmo

They may have to put him on suicide watch. I think with losing his family and the sentence of 15 years would send him over the edge. He said on one of the tapes he couldnt do the 15 years.jmo

TY Got the dates mixed up with Mistys last day to plea. jmo

tobias, I think he will loose it right in the courtroom if he gets more then 3 years. If he gets 15, they will have to drag him out kicking and screaming. I so wish I could be there for his sentencing.

Sorry that I sort of flew off the handle earlier, but we all try so hard to get the correct info and try and make heads out of this mess. I see our Assumption pal hasnt posted in awhile. Shoot, if they had something worthwhile ot bring to the table that would make things clearer, I’m all for it, but to call us on the carpet like children, just makes me a bit angry. Sorry!

I believe it was Cobra who had the keys in his possesion after they were found and saw Nay Nays car parked someplace close to where he was at and perhaps by the name on the car key, he walked right over to her car and the key fit the lock. I still dont understand how someone in the Sheffield camp got a hold of Nay Nays keys or why they would attempt to buffalo Cobra with a set up search and find all these things. Someone even alluded that he was part of the set up which I do not believe at all.

I too believe Tommy is going to get 15 in a 8×10.

J said,in July 29th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
The “fact” that Ronald’s nebulizer for HaLeigh was missing, was only a rumor. That was never proven (or disproven). It was simply an internet rumor that spread like wildfire after an interview when Teresa Neves stated that there was something of HaLeigh’s that should “always be with her” that missing.

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I remember this comment and discussion about whether she might have meant a nebulizer or inhaler. But could she have been referring to the special necklace that Haleigh often wore? I don’t remember hearing about whether this necklace was still in the home or not. It seems to me that she wouldn’t be wearing it in the middle of the night, so if it is also missing, then this might be a good thing. It may mean that someone who cares about Haleigh took her and felt the same as Teresa Neves, that it should always be with her. I wish we knew what it was that was missing.

Aligoo said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

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Hi Aligoo,

I too considered the necklace was what was possibly missing. And for the life of me, I do not remember where I read it, but I read it somewhere that HaLeigh’s necklace was broken and had been for sometime, and she hadn’t been wearing it for a bit before she disappeared. So I guess that ruled out the necklace, if true.

I, like you, really really hope that there IS something missing that belonged with HaLeigh, meaning that the person who removed her from the home was someone that was planning to care for her, not cause her harm. I really wish we knew what (if anything) was missing.

J,
You know I thought a lot about the necklace as well. I remember the talk of the search the day of the wedding being a search for something that might have been thrown from a vehicle. I remember them searching a bit from the roadside, and of course my brain took that to mean it had to be something very light, that would travel that far if thrown from a car/truck/van window, and I of course thought of her necklace, or a favorite doll, something like that.

lfj, here is a pic from a myspace that has lots of pics of Haleigh. In this pic you can see the necklace pretty well.

http://www. myspace. com/dreamfinder1997/photos/26155740

lfj, I’ll help you out on the NG transcript:

http://wdbo.com /localnews /2009/10/ transcript-nancy-grace-haleigh.html

Ronald, was she on medication for the Turner Syndrome?

CUMMINGS: Miss Nancy, she was on medication, but at the time, the only medication she need was her Albuterol treatment, which came in a breather. So all she has to do is a couple squirts, and that`s it, so that her asthma is — so she can breathe well and she`s not wheezing.

GRACE: Correct me if I`m wrong, Ronald, but the Albuterol, the inhaler, you can`t look at it and tell how much is in there, correct?

CUMMINGS: No, ma`am.

GRACE: So you don`t know if she used that before she went to bed or not. Was her inhaler still there?

CUMMINGS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: So the inhaler was still there.

Everyone, with me tonight, Ronald Cummings, the biological father and guardian of little Haleigh. The search is still on. But tonight, another wrench in the works, a divorce for Ronald Cummings and stepmom — new stepmother Misty Croslin. We are taking your calls live. Ronald Cummings answering your calls.

Aligoo, you have got me to thinking. The person that took her would have had to of known where it was kept in order to get in and out with the necklace and Haleigh quickly don’t you think?

Yes, Looking, I would thinks so. Unless it was lying out in plain sight. Or unless they asked her where it was and she told them.

two different snips from NG show transcripts on the inhaler:

(transcripts /cnn nancy grace 26 oct 2009)

GRACE: Let`s go to grandma on this. Teresa Neves with us.

Teresa, how often did she have to use that inhaler? Could she have survived without it?

NEVES: Yes, ma`am. The inhaler was basically for her to have — if she had a — like the pneumonia symptoms starting.

GRACE: Right.

NEVES: She would have an inhaler. She actually had two different inhalers so one that she could use before it started and one if it got bad and, you know, before she went to the hospital.

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(transcripts / cnn nancy grace show 9 oct 2009)

Ronald, was she on medication for the Turner Syndrome?

CUMMINGS: Miss Nancy, she was on medication, but at the time, the only medication she need was her Albuterol treatment, which came in a breather. So all she has to do is a couple squirts, and that`s it, so that her asthma is — so she can breathe well and she`s not wheezing.

GRACE: Correct me if I`m wrong, Ronald, but the Albuterol, the inhaler, you can`t look at it and tell how much is in there, correct?

CUMMINGS: No, ma`am.

GRACE: So you don`t know if she used that before she went to bed or not. Was her inhaler still there?

CUMMINGS: Yes, ma`am.

Reading about little Kyron…and it reminds me of this case, where I think LE is keeping an eye on JO and waiting for him to slip.

They said “Investigators have not named Terri Horman as a suspect or a person of interest in Kyron’s disappearance,…AND Le says, that arresting her now on a “probable cause” isn’t enough to guarantee a conviction, so it’s best for the District Attorney to wait for proof beyond a reasonable doubt. (The District Attorney is the one to make that call on when she is arrested and for what). LE said, “Probable cause to make an arrest is a far cry from proof beyond a reasonable doubt,”
They also said that her friends have been ‘intentionally’ hindering the investigation. However, they say her arrest is imminent. They said at some point she will be arrested, but the Investigators want to know what happened to Kyron before they move ahead.

I think this is exactly why we are on this sit and wait game with the Haleigh case.

My opinion is this: LE is getting who they think has info, into the jail for crimes. Then, when they arrest that person, they will testify against them to try and get their butts out of prison or get a lesser sentence. If they weren’t in jail, then they probably would never tell what they know.

So, for example, if they arrested someone and then asked Hank to testify as to what he knew, he would probably say he didn’t know anything about anything. (and LE knows that) But if Hank is arrested and charged with something and is looking at a long prison sentence, then he will rat someone out to take time off his sentence (and LE is betting on it).
Its all a plan to get what they need to put this person away.

Hope that makes sense.

Just thinking it is JO, as they are still staking out his house 24/7 (that’s what I heard a while back)>

Yes, JenM, what you said makes a lot of sense. The only problem that LE may have is that some of who they have in jail are such well-documented liars that their testimony may lack credibility. But LE can only work with what they have.

Well, its very possible that TC is the guilty one. Maybe LE believes that HC and LC know that he did it, and to get the truth out of them, they go this route? However, they may be liars, but then again, everyone is a liar.

I think LE thinks that they know more than what they are telling, and what better way to get them to crack….put them in jail where they get no cocaine. Maybe they will actually come clean?

Or, another thought is that they are in there for their own protection, from when they arrest the person or persons who were involved?

Or, maybe, just maybe, they think the whole bunch of them are involved somehow, through the drug business and can’t actually prove it, so they lock them up for something else that they can prove?

Either way, the fact remains that we are all sitting here waiting to hear something!! The reason we are waiting???…I think is exactly what I posted in my last post. LE wants to ‘make sure’ they can get a conviction, period, before moving forward. So, to me, they are collecting witnesses (who will have a reason to be cooperative with LE) and are putting the pieces together. I beleive they will not do anything, till they have that person or persons, but until then, they believe that the Croslins can rot in jail. jmo

I agree with you, WhyLie. I also think that determining WHO moved the van would be a big help in solving the puzzle. There was a lot of confusion over exactly where Timmy & Chelsea lived at the time and how far they were from Green Lane. From what I remember, they had borrowed Tommy & Lindsy’s van because Timmy’s car was damaged in an acccident. Joe was spending that night at Timmy’s. Chelsea said that the next morning the van was in a different place than she had parked it the night before. Timmy said that Joe slept in his clothes. The implication was that Joe had taken the van in the middle of the night and, presumably, met up with Timmy and Misty at Haleigh’s home.

We don’t know what really happened, though. Did Tommy go get his van? How did he get to Timmy’s? (I assume it was too far to walk.) Did Joe go with him? Did Timmy go with them? Did Timmy drive the van to meet Tommy (without Joe)? Was the van driven to Haleigh’s home before she disappeared or after, to help with a body disposal and cover up? I wonder if LE has been able to determine the answers to these questions!

Well said, Looking. It’s hard to believe so much time has passed, isn’t it? This poor baby has so many people that love her now. She certainly has touched a lot of hearts. Her personality has come across so beautifully.

One of my biggest fears with HaLeigh’s case is LE piecing together what really happened and having all these “people” as witnesses. What a dang nightmare. Let’s face it, there really doesn’t appear to be a whole lot of physical evidence. If there were, one would think that we’d have seen an arrest already. So, if by the grace of God, someone ever comes clean and dishes out some type of confession, chances are, it’s going to be the word of a LIAR. And said liar, is going to be implicating other liars.

How in the world would LE ever get a conviction on the word of any of them? I have to be honest here, it scares the heck out of me for HaLeigh and her loved ones.

Best case scenario is that HaLeigh is alive and hidden away. Of course I would still want the people involved convicted for the crimes they committed and the pain they have caused to so many people who love that baby. However, she would be alive and that would go a long way towards relieving some of the pain. Not that it would negate the pain of all the time she was gone. The emptiness of all the days they didn’t know where she was, the horror of all the time they spent wondering, but at least she would be home.

I am just so fearful that this case is going to come down either never having a conclusion, or eventually come down the words of a CROSLIN. And we all know that Croslins are not exactly pillars of virtue.

Yes it has Aligoo. That is why we are all here. Its funny how you fall so much in love with a chid you do not personally know. We all have become an advocate for Haleigh. We just want those responsible to be held accountable. That is why we come here everyday to make sure noone forgets that she is still out there as well many others and they need to be found and Justice rendered.

J, I think somewhere in each and every one of us here, have the same fear you have. I would love nothing more than for her to be just hidden away safely and be able to come home. I know we all share the same wish. I hope there will be more than just the testament of a Croslin for a conviction.

Aligoo said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

I agree with you, WhyLie. I also think that determining WHO moved the van would be a big help in solving the puzzle. There was a lot of confusion over exactly where Timmy & Chelsea lived at the time and how far they were from Green Lane. From what I remember, they had borrowed Tommy & Lindsy’s van because Timmy’s car was damaged in an acccident. Joe was spending that night at Timmy’s. Chelsea said that the next morning the van was in a different place than she had parked it the night before. Timmy said that Joe slept in his clothes. The implication was that Joe had taken the van in the middle of the night and, presumably, met up with Timmy and Misty at Haleigh’s home.

We don’t know what really happened, though. Did Tommy go get his van? How did he get to Timmy’s? (I assume it was too far to walk.) Did Joe go with him? Did Timmy go with them? Did Timmy drive the van to meet Tommy (without Joe)? Was the van driven to Haleigh’s home before she disappeared or after, to help with a body disposal and cover up? I wonder if LE has been able to determine the answers to these questions
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Well I want to give a thank you to Kim P, who is still posting on a board, for giving the address where Timmy/Chelsea lived back then.

Timmy and Chelsea were at 108 Smith Lane, Crescent City, 32112

LadySadie, I feel it has to do with drugs or an od. I do not think whatever occured was intentional. I have my suspicions about all you have mentioned. There is just so much chaos within these two families. I do feel the answers lye in Satsuma. I have stated this before. I do keep an open mind though.
I was reading snippets earlier tonight and I read I believe it was on the Help me find my child site that Misty called Timmy quite a few times that night. I know we have been told Mistys phone was turned off, so if she did call Timmy what phone did she use? I read that LE wanted Timmys cell phone records when they went to Mass. to interrogate he and Chelsea. Misty made a statement to the press that her brother had nothing to do with this. Have any of you read about Misty calling Timmy quite a few times that night?

JenM that is little Shaniya Davis.

She as in Chelsea.

The red pickup wasn’t taken by PCSO till Aug. when Tim Miller found it. Whatever DNA that might have been there was probably gone but then again I would imagine Haleigh had been in the truck and van and her DNA would be in both places and that wouldn’t have been strange.

OK, I have asked this question several times and have never gotten an answer. Does anyone know if Jr (Butterbean) has any disabilities? To me it seems highly likely, as both Ron and Crystal were doing drugs at the time of his conception, and yes it makes a difference if the father is doing drugs as it damages his genetic contribution. And it is highly likely that Crystal did drugs/alcohol throughout the pregnancy. The reason I ask this is because of Misty’s “story” of after they got Haleigh off to school that day they all went back to the MH and slept until time to pick Haleigh up from the bus stop, then she states that she put both kids to bed at 8 pm. Jr went to sleep and Haleigh wanted to watch a movie. Now Jr was 3, no 3 year old sleeps that much normally, so either he has some disability or he was “dosed” to sleep that much. Either way even if something happened to Haleigh before Ron went to work or after he went to work, Jr would not have a clue that something was out of the ordinary.

Ladiesadie, I have not heard any mention of Jr. having any disabilities. I do agree with you that no child sleeps that much. I actually remember Misty saying they went home and went to sleep until about 11 or 12 she could not remember.They got up and sat around a little while. Ron got ready for work and went to pick up Haleigh and she stayed at the home with jr because he was taking a nap and Haleigh did not get home until about 4 or a little after. She could not remember the exact time. The kids were arguing over what movie to watch so she put jr on the couch and Haleigh in her bed so they each could watch the movie they wanted and she started cleaning this was around 8pm. Misty said Haleigh was asleep at about 8:30pm. Misty then said that Jr. came in the room with she and Haleigh after his movie was over. Then another count was he got up and crawled over her to get up, because he sometimes does this. Misty did not give a time that Jr. fell asleep.

looking for Justice ,

309 is on the way to shell harbor

How do you think Chelsea knew about Shell harbor to tell Flora?

Good question Billybob. That is why I think Chelsea knows more and she gets so chatty when things start getting too close. Perhaps her husband was involved as well.

Misty is extremely close to Timmy and Chelsea. She defines this in the VLA video and even goes as far to say that Timmy is Rons favorite in her family. She comes out into the media to defend Timmy after Le went to Mass. to interrogate Tim and Chelsea.

I am off to bed. Perhaps tomorrow there will be some news on Haleigh.

If Misty were to tell LE that she blamed Tommy, it would hurt both Tommy and Lindsy. I don’t know if she and Chelsea were closer to Tommy than Lindsy. One thing that happened very early that Misty could be telling Chelsea to remember is LE being called to Tommy and Lindsy’s house prior to Misty’s 911 call. We don’t know very much about that, but I’m sure that Chelsea knows all about it.

looking for Justice said,in July 30th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Chelsea, is very chatty. I think she knows more than she is saying. It was Chelsea that told G.Hollar to tell LE to search that location. That all came out on NG when AS,G.Hollar were on there and Chelsea called into the show. Chelsea did try and backpeddal by saying no I said down 309. Then Chelsea said on NG “I know there were loose pills lying around the home and then you could hear AS say “No”.
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Yes she is very chatty and many of her comments conflict.
She flat out said on the NG show they had only talked to Nanny twice in the past 7 years, that Nanny was estranged from the rest of the family which we know is not true. Misty and her parents(at different times)went to Tenn to stay with Nanny or near her. One thing that was obvious from the phone tapes is that the Croslin family including Nanny were in frequent contact with each other.

There is also a video of Lindsy talking to a reporter about Chelsea and Timmy’s 14 hour interview. Lindsy told the reporter that LE asked Chelsea and Timmy if they tried to get or help Misty that night. AH reported comments made by Chelsea actually reinforced LE’s interest in Timmy, resulting in the lengthy interviews. It was also interesting that Chelsea said on NG that they were never interrogated.

Ga.girl said,in July 29th, 2010 at 9:32 am Ann-tx or Texasmommy, do you know of anything going on with the ali lowitzer case in Tx? Like Zach, there’s no clues,no leads,no cell phone activity,nothing.
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Hi, Ga. girl!

Sorry I did not respond to you sooner. I just now saw your comment. Hope this will be helpful to you.

As of Tuesday, July 27, 2010, there have been no new developments in this case. I live between Austin and Houston and we receive our newscasts from Houston.

Here is a Link to an article and a video (within article – click on) which was on a Houston TV station Tuesday. This is a sad case. My heart goes out to the parents. You can see their pain! They are in the video.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/24405027/detail.html
KPRC Houston, Tx
7-27-10

Just testing. Not sure my posts show up anymore.

Hi, m2c!

I see you are an early bird like me!

Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a break in the Haleigh Cummings case today?

Goodmorning all, I am hoping for some good news today.

Interesting article on news4jax.com
about a Pill mill takedown:
“The state issued a cease and desist order that said four doctors have prescribed more than 7,000 OxyContin prescriptions in seven months.”

I am very interested in following this. Let’s see if any of those doctors get 15 years or more.

Ga.girl said,in July 29th, 2010 at 9:32 am Ann-tx or Texasmommy, do you know of anything going on with the ali lowitzer case in Tx? Like Zach, there’s no clues,no leads,no cell phone activity,nothing
********** LOL I did not see your comment yesterday, sorry. No I have not heard of the case. I will liik into it today.

WTF – well good morning to you too and WELCOME to BNN….I think.

So has anyone heard what the news was on the Zach case? I was thinking about that all evening last night hoping it was good news.

Now, back to my selective blogging….right now I’m selecting the IGNORE key on my keyboard! LOL

Who ya’ll ignorin?

TM, just afly-by thinking they could clog the board with disrespectful remarks, but it appears that Jan handled it in record time!

methinks – lol – I had an “Ignore Key” installed on my computer…..got it from Tobias – the QUEEN of ignore! LOL Works GREAT!

So how are you this fine morning Methinks? Have you heard anything about what the news was on the Zach case? I’m praying it was a break in the case!

Morning Tex – yes, you missed it! Jan did her abra ca-dabra routine! LOL

I’m hoping she pulls a rabbit out of her hat next. I love bunnies! LOL

I’m good JB,nothing new that I know of but still praying. Yes tobias is greatat ingoring.We could all take a lesson from her!

JB said,in July 30th, 2010 at 9:46 am Morning Tex – yes, you missed it! Jan did her abra ca-dabra routine! LOL

I’m hoping she pulls a rabbit out of her hat next. I love bunnies! LOL
xxxxxxxxxxxxx I would like to see her cut a fly- in half and forget how the trick works so they’re stuck that was!chuckle

way not was…der

I may be wrong, but,I do not believe HaLeigh is in Satsuma. IMO the child would of been found long ago. The ones that all have been looking at only had so much time to get any distance and then be available when LE was called. I am not buying HaLeigh was thrown into the rivereither. That river was definatly searched by locals over these past 18 months and I would imagine every hunter this last fall was keeping an eye open for HaLeigh in that area.

I am doing great ..I hope you are having a nice friday morning.

Yes I am! I turned 46 years old today, but feel much younger.

I also had wondered too why it took Chelsea and maybe Timmy over 3 hours to go 2 miles when they got the call about Haleigh. Between her and CS and this time lapse, makes one really wonder. Also strange how Chelsea says she saw that scratch the next morning, but she was up doing paperwork. Cant sit there and tell me she never heard the van start up and take off prior or come back that same night. Everybody was supposedly either on pain meds and/or sound alseep with their spouses the night Haleigh vanished. Joe was with Timmy and Chelsea, then Joe was with Tommy and Lindsay. Joe was cleared on a lot of things. So, who was driving that van and how did it find its way back to Chelseas?

A Nice Happy Birthday Greeting is being sent you way, looking for Justice! Hope you have a Delightful Day and get everything that you have wished for! C E L E B R A T E !!!!!!

JB said,in July 30th, 2010 at 9:47 am JAN – so what was the news about Zach’s case? We saw the family post for you guys to check email yesterday afternoon! We’re praying it is good news or at least a break in the case that will result in some answers for the family! Keep us posted please and thank you!
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I just checked and there is nothing written in a new article about Zach. I sure hope it is posted separate from any comments about Haleigh so I don’t have to wade through to find it.

Whylie, you stated that Timmy said he saw Joe in his clothes at 1 am that night. I thought Timmy said he got up at 1 am and Joe was NOT there.

Im thinking again, which could be pretty dangerous at times-lol! We know what Chelsea said, but then, here we go again, why did she say in one interview-She and the reporter alluded it was Misty who had called her the same night Haligh went missing and in tears, uttered the words ‘Tell me it wasnt you who put the scratch in my van’. 1. Why cry and talk about a stupid scratch when a child has disapeared? and 2. This would mean Chelsea then knew before morning light there was a scratch on the van, but then again, who else would know about this scratch the same night if the van was at Chelseas? By all accounts, it wasnt Misty who called Chelsea, reports now say it was Lindsay, so how would she know about a scratch if she was alseep with Tommy? Why did LE retrun the van to chelsea when she is not the registered owner?

Happy Birthday lfj! Maybe you will get a present of some news on Haleigh, now wouldn’t that be a great birthday present!

I agree jules. and if the truth be told , it probably was put on the van by the person or persons responsible for taking Haleigh

If you listen better to the tape the investigators followed a call Misty made to Chelsea on the night they were searching for Haleigh. Which would be the night of the 10th.
Why didnt Chelsea know there was a scratch before then? And with branches sticking out ofthe headlight? I smell a set up. jmo

It appears to me they either waited till Joe was gone to report the scratch on the van or they put it there then called to report it, either way it looks like a set up to make it look like Joe had the van. jmo

I guess my post will go to the wayside like the others that stated we don’t have all of the facts. If someone is arrested and confesses or makes a plea deal the Sunshine Law won’t give us all of the details since the discovery won’t be released for a trial.

Maybe my understanding of the Sunshine Law is not correct.

Jessie, my understanding of the Sunshine Law is that after a case is closed or declared a “cold” case, all product of discovery by LE (public officials) is available.

Why lie, In the video Chelsea say more than once it was Misty who called her not Lindsy.
The reporter also said LE had the call records for when Misty made that call. jmo

Of course, Tobias. the van was the only transportation Chelsea and Timmy had at that time so its not like it sat there for days at a time without being driven. Maybe Im wrong, but I thought Joe was staying with Tommy and Lindsay that last night so same question again. If that was the case, how did 1 or 2 people who probably smoked one, walk 2+ miles to borrow a van and walk 2+ miles back, Tommy said he peeked in it and had a knife at his throat or whatever, but then its back at Chelseas. Did that incident happen at Tommys/Mistys or did that incident happen over at Chelsea and Timmys? IF it happened at all.

I have wondered once or twice and God help me for saying this, but I just wonder if someone went the distance and did do a phony adoption in another state, say GA or MA.. Somebody in GA or MA. would have no clue if a man and woman came into a lawyers office and said they were the actual parents of this child and said they wanted to have her adopted out to another family member. This could have been done months prior to actually taking Haleigh. Lot of underhanded things go on all the time. I just wouldnt put anything past any of them.

Not that it makes a big difference, but also wondered if Misty misspoke when she said the whole Cummings famiy took drugs. I wonder if in reality she actually meant the Sheffields, trying to fire a salvo back and messed up the name. Doesnt matter, they all have seemed to have had a problem with stuff at one time or another.

LadyDay, I think everyone in Misty’s “world” seems to have had a problem with drugs, current or in the recent past. So in Misty’s view of things “everyone” does drugs, I don’t think she has any concept that there are actually people in the world that aren’t messed up on drugs.

I think Misty is fed up with her family being the focus because of their drug habits when Rons family is no better. Thats what I heard from what she was saying. Its like just because they are poor, their drug use is worse.
She has finally spoke up and I am listening, I hope LE was too. jmo

LadyDay, JO was staying at Timmy and Chelsea’s not at Tommy and Lindsy’s mh. It is about 12 miles from Timmy’s to Tommy’s.

WhyLie you are 100% correct. I think Lisa and Hank Srs home was approx. 2 to 2 1/2 miles from Tommys/Mistys at the time. Tommy was just a very short distance from Misty and Ron.

I agree with WhyLie and Tobias that the van was just a ruse.
Tobias I agree with your 12:15pm post. Misty kept saying we are not bad people.

WhyLie you have a very good point there!

secours said,
in July 30th, 2010 at 10:28 am

Whylie, you stated that Timmy said he saw Joe in his clothes at 1 am that night. I thought Timmy said he got up at 1 am and Joe was NOT there.
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According to Chelsea, in the beginning, they stayed up late to work on insurance papers and then recently she said Timmy took some pain meds was asleep by 10:30…so which is it?

I find it strange and somewhat amusing that Timmy never opens his own mouth to say anything. The only time we hear from him is on the phone and he is extremely careful what he says. He has never made a statement about that night.jmo

tobias, I agree that the timeline does not fit for JO to have left Chelsea’s and then gotten back to Chelsea’s in time to be fast asleep when the call from Misty came.

I think TC putting himself at the MH during the 10:00 hour is a much better fit, time wise.

Lindsy gets home about 10:15-10:20, eats, goes to sleep, TC leaves and goes to the MH just before 11. Lindsy is fast asleep by that time.

tobias, right lots of people get addicted to pain meds, but they don’t go out and buy and sell them on the streets. They don’t go out and try to score some crack. They don’t pass out at while taking their children to school. They don’t rob their blind neighbors to score some drugs.

That is what I am talking about the difference between the Croslins using drugs and TN and AS using drugs.

TN and AS are the very few in this entire mix that don’t have records, for drugs or violence. They don’t sound like drug addicts to me. Now the Croslins, different story all together.

Vaq, I did get your little joke last night about the threes. Thank you for the birthday wish.

It seems 3 is a recurring theme in the case,LOL

There is a presser coming up in a few minutes with Kaine and Desiree

http://www.katu.com/

I’m sorry, I thought where Chelsea and Timmy were living was only 2 to 4 miles away, I forget the name of the St., but did google map it and it did either come up as between 2 to 4 miles away from Tommy/Mistys residence. I am thinking it was on either 2nd St. or 3rd St. the place went into a foreclosure sale not too long ago-$56,000 dump o rama, but 1+ acre of land. I thought the other place where they lived prior(or was that Tommy and Lindsay?) was where that Sapp person was living, where they had the trampoline.

Wonder if it would show up at the civil dockets? bbl

07/21/2010 011.ORDER TO TRANSPORT HANK CROSLIN : AWN
07/21/2010 012.NOTICE OF HEARING/AWN FOR 07/30/10 AT 08:30
07/29/2010 013.NOTICE OF FILING – CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETIION

lOOKS LIKE THE DIVORCE WENT THROUGH. JMO

Oh Boy! now I am confused-again-lol! Where did the 2nd St. addy come from then? I know it was mentioned somewhere in the begining as being where Chelsea and Timmy lived when all this went on. In that area, there are 2nd Sts and 2nd Aves. I only went looking because of who was where at the time and etc., and I just couldnt figure out if the van was still at Tommys when he peeked in, how did it get back over to Chelseas the same night. I mean, I pictured these Croslins running all over the place, moving this van, taking Haleigh, taking the van back, walking home, going to sleep, none of it makes a lick of sense. Now, if Chelsea and Timmy lived even further, it really is confusing timeline wise, especially if you figure it in that they may have been high on something. It almost makes it seem everybody was borrowing this van all day long, only to return it and walk 4 miles or 14 miles back home, like when Misty was driving it that monday morning-supposedly.

Maybe that was Rons last address. If you people search he once lived in Crescent City.jmo

Lady, your comment “I pictured these Croslins running all over the place, moving this van, taking Haleigh, taking the van back, walking home, going to sleep, none of it makes a lick of sense.” is exacly the way I see it.

I don’t think there was a lot of thought put into what happened to Haleigh if Misty, Tommy or Joe had anything to do with it. I am now strongly leaning toward stranger abduction or illegal adoption on someone’s part.

vaquera said,
in July 30th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

secours said,
in July 30th, 2010 at 10:28 am

Whylie, you stated that Timmy said he saw Joe in his clothes at 1 am that night. I thought Timmy said he got up at 1 am and Joe was NOT there.
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According to Chelsea, in the beginning, they stayed up late to work on insurance papers and then recently she said Timmy took some pain meds was asleep by 10:30…so which is it?

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I agree with you there Vaquera, except Chelsea said SHE stayed up and worked on insurance papers (which I have never heard of by the way, usually it is done by police and insurance office but could be wrong).I also don’t remember hearing that anyone said Timmy was asleep by 10:30. Later Timmy said he got up at 1am and Joe was not there. Such a mess, this whole thing is. LE will have those facts straighter than us. I just wish we could have them, too. If this case goes officially cold or someone is arrested, then we will have them.

Does anyone know what factors are used in a decision to declare a case ‘Cold’?

It was during all the Granny Hollars going on Nancy G’s show and Chelsea calling in when she said Timmy took a pain pill and was in bed by 10:30. I will have to re-listen to the interview, if I can find it, I thought she said we worked on the insurance papers..

Who’s on first?

He lived with Amber in a different MH. Does anyone know where that MH was? I know it was different from the one on Green LN. because he said no one knew where he moved to except NayNay.jmo

He lived on Buchanen before moving to Green.

I dont believe her kids were old enough yet to be in school. She only has 2 girls doesnt she?
The youngest just turned 1 and I believe the oldest was only 3-4 at the time. jmo

tobias said,
in July 30th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

07/21/2010 011.ORDER TO TRANSPORT HANK CROSLIN : AWN
07/21/2010 012.NOTICE OF HEARING/AWN FOR 07/30/10 AT 08:30
07/29/2010 013.NOTICE OF FILING – CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETIION

lOOKS LIKE THE DIVORCE WENT THROUGH. JMO
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The “Certificate of Completion” does not mean the Divorce is complete, it means that one of the parties has completed the required course for all family law cases that have children. My guess is that it is Lindsy that took the course since Tommy is in jail.

Most states have a requirement that when there is either a divorce, or a custody case with children involved, a class is required… a “conflict resolution class” (in FL, said class can be completed online through DCF). It is required to help parents co-parent the children. It is generally a 3-4 hour class.

I am not sure how this class will be handled with Tommy incarcerated. Perhaps he will be allowed to take it online. I don’t know how the fees will be handled? Maybe it will be waived?

OK, I found a link with Chelsea, can I post it? ok, Jean Ceasares(sp?) had an interview w/Chelsea I believe back on April 16th, 09. In this interview Chelsea does state Cresent City is where she was at, but that they lived close to Tommy about 4 miles, 4 miles is a lot dofferent than 14 miles, just saying. This can either be found through CNN Nancy Grace dated 4/16/09 or perhaps 4/22/09. She sure does contradict herself in this interview, said she was asleep with Timmy, that Timmy was sound alseep hours before she went to sleep. I remember she said somewhere she was alseep when the call came in about Haleigh, but she was wide awake at 2 am, 3 am doing the insurance papers when she got the call. There is a link on , dare I say it, Websleuths, labeled: Timmy and Chelsea timeline hours before Haleigh Went Missing.

Yes, correct, Whos on Second?

J, that is correct. The class is required under Florida Law when getting a divorce with children or in a custody dispute.