It was almost two year ago that Jan and I decided to run a weekly program on the subject of missing people. As I recall, we argued about if it should be 30 or 45 minutes long. Today it is 2 hours long, and we still run out of time every week.
Today was no exception. 120 minutes disappeared all too quickly.
Joining me to dissect the recent events in the Haleigh Cummings, Caylee Anthony, and Zachary Pittman cases were my wife Jan Barrett, ace reporter TJ Hart, State Investigator peter Hyatt, Reporter Dave Knechel, and last but by know means least author and crime writer Denny Griffin.
The first case under the microscope was that of missing Zachary Pittman. Zach (26) was last seen over a year ago. He literally disappeared into thin air from a house some 7 miles from the Louisiana town of Pearl River. No money, no car, no phone, poof gone!
Zach’s mother Christy Ragas joined us for the segment and brought us up to date on recent developments. I am not sure that she was as candid about the efforts of the St Tammany Parish Sheriffs Office as I might have been, however it is understandable. For her to cause waves likely would mean a cessation of what little effort they are are currently expending on the search for Zachary Pittman.
Our next port of call was Orlando Florida and the latest update on what is becoming a saga! The Caylee Anthony case is enough to frustrate any sentient, warm blooded being with an IQ that exceeds their hat size!
This week saw some interesting developments, while not immediately identifiable as ‘game changers’ to the average person, when viewed closely, some interesting observations can be made. Both Peter Hyatt and Dave Knechel had much to say on this subject. Are Baez and Mason on the outs? They certainly do not seem to be ‘compatible’ in the strategy arena.
Why was a Baez PI sniffing around the Motel that George Anthony supposedly tried to commit suicide in?
Our third segment concerned the Haleigh Cummings case. The PCSO stated months ago, this is not a missing persons case, this is homicide! They have no body, they have no one charged, but they sure do have a whole lot of one family locked up behind bars.
Hank and Lisa Croslin had been captured on Jail video’s a couple of months ago explaining to daughter Misty Croslin that times were tough. They had no gas money, it would be hard to visit. Woo Hoo! Problem solved! Hank and Lisa managed to get themselves stuck in a Cocaine sting, so almost the whole family are reunited. This might be a Thanksgiving that the Croslin’s will remember!
You can catch the entire program here.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSounds like the Croslin parents will be in jail for a couple of years when all is said and done. Tragic they wont be in court to support either of their kids because they couldnt get their addictions under control.
I believe all of those in jail couldnt keep their addictions controlled and did something that caused Haleigh to be gone. What that was and where she is at is what everyone wants to know.jmo
It’s all funny until someone gets hit by the runaway defense bus:
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/local-fool-finds-himself-pinned-beneath-short-bus/
I have been watching the Florida Rachel Wade trial, she was found guilty of mudering a love rival. She can get a minimun of 20.5 years for murder, Misty charged with drug trafficking minimum 25 years hmmmm….
Maybe Misty will tell everything she knows and get the drug trafficking reduced and then she may qualify for the youth offender program. But, if what she tells about Haleigh is not what I hope it is, she may be in for a lot longer. I hope and pray that it turns out that Haleigh is alive.
Hearing the sadness in the voice of Christy Ragas on the radio show made me want to go to Pearl River and help in the search. Reading the story and looking at the pictures of Zach wasn’t as touching as hearing it. I think so many people, myself included, have become numb to the news and forget that missing adults also have loved ones with broken hearts.
If the media outlets would use 1% of the air time and space dedicated to the Crolin family’s drug arrests and other issues to help in the search for Zach something may be accomplised. I am so sick of the stories about Ronald, Misty, Tommy, Hank and Lisa with the only mention of Haleigh being that Misty was the babysitter/girlfriend/former wife of the dad of a missing little girl.
Jules- and the media does have the time, as they can stop repeating or stating what you are going to hear after the break, then after the next break or maybe the next! And really what is more important Linsey lohan’s escapades or trying to find missing children & adults!
THANK YOU!!!!! For all your hard work.I just wonder what the other side is doing to find this Angel!!!!!!
The Croslin arrests are still not up on the dockets yet.
Jules, I agree with you, Zach’s story is heartbreaking. Hearing Christy, his mother, share her story and her pain is just gut wrenching. The media doesn’t even give the time to missing children, only a small percentage of children get any coverage, but when you have an adult missing, they just do not get the coverage that is so deserved. It’s “easy” for so many to forget that these people have families that miss them and need and deserve answers about what happened to their loved ones. I’m so glad that there are people in the world like Simon and Jan that give of themselves and give attention to the missing.
I wish there was a channel on tv that was solely devoted to missing people. What a fabulous resource.
Hmm…now what?
http://www.cayleedaily.com/
J- I was kind of shocked to learn that America’s Most Wanted couldn’t help!
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 26th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
J- I was kind of shocked to learn that America’s Most Wanted couldn’t help!
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Oh, I didn’t even realize they had been contacted and refused help. What a shame!
I saw yesterday in the radio show chat that Jan was asked if Christy had contacted TES. IIRC, Jan said that the family is currently working with another organization at present. I hope that they will be able to get out there and do some searches and find some answers for Zach’s family. I really just cannot imagine the pain of not knowing that all these families go through with a missing loved one. Especially when the time just drags on and on.
J- it’s so sad I think our socity feels that young men can take care of themselves and so not as much effort is put into finding them.
I know there are people who just want to start a new life but I don’t believe it as many as LE seems to believe it is. In this case I really feel it is foul play and Zach’s mother deserves answers!
I think Jane Velez Mitchell got it wrong with her theory”the war against women” what about men like Zach who go missing, where’s the media, where’s the police? I am the same age as Zach yet a white female and I bet if went missing, those 2 factors would make a huge difference in the police investigation and media coverage. It’s sickening what Zachs mother has to go through.
I think Jane Velez Mitchell got it wrong with her theory”the war against women” what about men like Zach who go missing, where’s the media, where’s the police? I am the same age as Zach yet a white female and I bet if went missing, those 2 factors would make a huge difference in the police investigation and media coverage. It’s sickening what Zachs mother has to go through.
I think Jane Velez Mitchell got it wrong with her theory”the war against women” what about men like Zach who go missing, where’s the media, where’s the police? I am the same age as Zach yet a white female and I bet if went missing, those 2 factors would make a huge difference in the police investigation and media coverage. It’s sickening what Zachs mother has to go through.
I am Zach’s Aunt. I not only feel the sadness of my nephew missing and the feeling of helplessness but it tortures me even to worse to see the hurt/ heartache it brings on my sister (Zach’s Mom) and to hear his little girl ask, Where’s my Daddy? The lack of answers is one of the toughest parts, but even worse when you feel like those who are sworn to serve & protect (LE) dont even giv it the attention it deserves. It hurts to feel like Zach is forgotten or that because he was a 25 y/o male his disapearance doesn’t deserve the attention that some of these high profile missing persons cases get.
So thank you Simon/Jan for once again helping keep it out theres stirring the pot!
And BTW, Zach’s mom is my big sister…I always knew she was an awesome Mom/Grandma, but until Zach’s disappearance, I never realized how strong of a person she is. I think under the circumstances my sister has faced this all like a true, brave and courageous woman. SHe is determined and I know she will not rest or give up until we have some answers. I just pray its sooner than later. God knows she deserves a break!
n2kayaks1965- No matter how strong we are the pain is still there and finding Zach will surely ease it a bit. I pray each night for him when I pray for Haleigh! God Bless Christy, she’s in my prayers too!
Just when ya think it can’t get worse,it did!
I am in shock from Hank and Lisa’s bust!For the life of me I can’t figure out why they’d put their selves in that position after all thats happened,I am sure Lisa never stopped but Hank don’t look to be a coke head? unless he recently started!I can see him taking pills maybe but Gee whiz,what a mess?
All I know at this point is they were busted,haven’t checked it out at length or anything but dang I am taken aback?
I’ll bbs,gotta read up on hank and lisa!
Hi CathyJo- How’s the baby!
Alex,He is dandy as well as just too gorgeous!
LoL
He made it into the world the 23rd at 4:20pm,He was 8lbs and 7 oz……21 inches long,The thickest and Long black hair you ever saw,His name I am sure I told ya is Christopehr Maxwell!!!
He is just gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just got home not 5 minuts ago,LoL
I heard about Hank and Lisa and omg i am shocked!
You’d think they’d know,because they said before it was stupid for Misty and Tommy to get mixed up knowing they were being watched,and here they are!!!!!!
CJ- I’m at the point where I think they need a stint in jail, hopefully enough time to dry out!
I don’t know if it’s a specific time or each individual has their own timeclock!
I am just hearing on HLN that a convicted Sex offender who was sentenced to 300 years has gotten out after just serving 13 years, my stomach is turning!
Alexandria–OMG..Just read what you said about the SO supposedly gets 300 yrs and gets out after 13 years. That’s a shame that this happens when they are such a threat to our children and they are almost never rehabilitated. I am sick. Did it mention the SO’s name and what state? If so, please let me know. JMO
n2kayaks1965 said,
in July 26th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
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Hi n2kayaks,
Thank you for stopping in.
Since we here in the BNN family have learned of your family’s story, there have been a lot of prayers sent up for Zach, his daughter and your entire family.
I agree with you that your sister is an amazing person. I really believe that God sends down an extra reserve of strength when needed. Otherwise, I’m not sure how anyone in a position such as her’s would ever make it through the not-knowing, no matter how old one’s child is. It has to be absolutely devastating trying to explain to Zach’s daughter (who is absolutely beautiful, btw), where her father is and why he isn’t there with her.
I pray that your family will find the answers you all need, as quickly as possible. LE is sworn to protect and SERVE. Not just “some” but ALL. If there is anything that we here can do, please let us know. Bless you all!
Sorry for the double posts guys. Cell phone buttons are small
n2kayaks, God bless your family and your trials. I can’t imagine the pain your sister and the family are enduring.I pray your family will have closure soon. I know God doesn’t put more on us than we can bear, but sometimes it gets really heavy. Prayers for your family!
Robin- I think the name is Spiker- it’s in Florida!
Robin - I’m not sure of the name , I’ll look & get back to you!
Good to see CM is doing well. I was born at 2:10 that day way back when…
If anyone is interested, George and Cindy Anthony will get to keep their home and escapes foreclosure. Here is the Link to the article which includes a video (interview with Brad Conway).
http://www.wesh.com/news/24398628/detail.html
WESH Orlando, Fl
7-26-10 Updated: 6:17 p.m. EDT
“Lawyer: Anthony Family Keeps Home, Escapes Foreclosure”
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LadyDay, it is amazing that the Anthony’s had money for a cruise,deposited money in Casey’s jail account, got tattoos, had jewelry made with Caylee’s ashes but did not make their mortgage payment for several months or perhaps a year! I wonder what they did with the $10,000 or was it $20,000 they received from CBS.
They have their priorities mixed up. My priority would have been to pay my mortgage payment.
Hi, jaba!
I have not been able to be here all day. Did Jan57 drop by on the previous thread today?
Alexandria–I looked it up. Thomas Spioch and he was from Florida. He molested a 14 year old boy and tried to hire a hitman to kill seven witnesses at his trial. I am sick to my stomach. This man is a threat to children. Misty is looking at a 25 year sentence for DRUGS while this man is walking free. Misty if sentenced to 25 years will serve at least 85 percent of her sentence IIRC. That means she will serve more time than this SO. What is wrong with Florida and their judicial system? If I was a Florida taxpayer, I would want my money used to keep violent offenders behind bars. This man received 3OO yrs if I read correctly. Why is he free? JMO
Robin - it’s Thomas Spioch & you can find it on WESH. Ineffective assistace of Counsel!
Video: Misty’s Parents Jailed On Drug Charges
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24400135/index.html
In this video a Rodney Graham speaks on camera stating that LE lured Lisa and Hank to the crack house.
RODNEY ANTHONY GRAHAM
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 7/23/2010 8:15:00 PM - Booking#: 10-03149
Release Date & Time: 7/24/2010 7:31:08 PM
DOB: 8/5/1974 - RACE: B - SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.13-1a1 COCAINE-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG DELIV ETC SCHEDULE II F S $1,004.00 7/24/2010 7:29:03 PM
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00 7/24/2010 7:28:37 PM
812.014-3a LARC PETIT 1ST OFF M S $504.00 7/24/2010 7:28:15 PM
$2,012.00
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=762058&IMG=29494
Thanks Alexandria for the information. There is a link to the story on wesh.com. My blood is boiling. I can not believe it. I hope there is more to this story then what I have read. Right now I cannot believe this has happened.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm Jules- and the media does have the time, as they can stop repeating or stating what you are going to hear after the break, then after the next break or maybe the next! And really what is more important Linsey lohan’s escapades or trying to find missing children & adults!
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Hi, Alex! (Hope you don’t mind me calling you Alex - save on typing)
I understand exactly what you are saying about the breaks. It irritates me when they continually do that. Then when they return from the commercial, they don’t cover what they said they would . . . maybe after 2 or 3 commercials! What a waste of valuable air time!
yw- I live in California and it upsets me.
Alexandria–Ineffective assistance of counsel? He must have had a public defender. I am sick to death. That’s why I have such a hard time with Haleigh’s case and the way it has been handled. If they find the guilty party, I do not want justice denied to Haleigh and the persons responsible get off on a technicality. JMO
robin- i think the same could be said in Caylee’s case. The things the defense is doing to some extent seems outrageous, unless that is what Casey want’s them to do!
Jules said,in July 26th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
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Jules, I could hear the sadness in Christy’s voice also. It really did have an impact.
Christy is a very strong lady. This has to be devastating. I think it is so wonderful for Jan and Simon to help Christy and especially for Simon to “shake things up” in Pearl River.
Christy, my prayers and thoughts are with you and your family. I hope you find Zach and I hope LE starts doing some serious investigating into Zach’s “disappearance”. I think LE should be all over the last person to see Zach. Something is very hinky here!
Christy, I admire your strength, courage and determination.
I bet if this was the mayor’s son missing, there would have been a massive search and media attention from day one. Just my opinion!
Stay strong, Christy!
Christy,
I don’t know how things work in Louisiana. Can you contact a higher level of Law Enforcement for assistance or for a higher level to determine why local LE has not done an extensive investigation (if that is the case)?
I live in a rural area in Texas.
If this was in Texas and I strongly felt local LE was not doing their job, I could turn to the Texas Rangers. I could file a formal complaint and they would investigate the efforts of local LE. Then a determination would be made if they would take over the investigation, work jointly with local LE or local LE would continue the investigation.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 26th, 2010 at 5:47 pm CJ- I’m at the point where I think they need a stint in jail, hopefully enough time to dry out!
I don’t know if it’s a specific time or each individual has their own timeclock!
I am just hearing on HLN that a convicted Sex offender who was sentenced to 300 years has gotten out after just serving 13 years, my stomach is turning!
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Alex,I gave them the benefit of a doubt,I truly think they’ve been through sheer he77 since Haleigh went missing,But they are adults and they even talked on camera to their kids about how stupid they were for getting mixed up in drugs,knowing they were being watched somewhat, so now I don’t feel bad for them b/c they can be blamed for Misty and Tommy being what they’ve grown up to be and you’d think they of all people could see they played a huge part in it and had a 2nd chance and ignored it,I am aghast! instead of being a parent with all this going on they could have set some kind of example and made the right choice,It ain’t everbody who gets a 2nd chance,and they had one,so IMO They’re right where they need to be!!
Thank You Jaba!!
everytime i come,everybodys gone,lol bbs
Hi Ann-TX. Im not so sure how much the ants made, but I think it was a lot more than $10 or $15K. Im sure there wasnt that much for them to seel because Boez was right there to make danged sure his client and him were going to get the lions share of the profit on anything and I bet that will also include this scheme of Cindys to copyright Caylees name. By law, she cannot, she is not her mother and Im sure Boez knows this as well, unless she was named in some contract via Power of Attorney that Im also sure Boez looked over with a fine tooth comb. While Casey is in jail, she cannot make any profit herself. I bet that was what the Round Table at the Fancy Schamcy hotel with crabby puffs was all about, along with the news that Caylee had been found deceased.
Seems from the day Caylee was born, Cindy has had this thought process that she was her mother, is she really that much like a cracked crab salad? I believe so. She is also as sly and calculating as a fox.
Hey, CathyJo! Welcome Back! Dont Leave!
Hello everyone! Hey! CathyJo. Congratulations on your new grandson. I am so elated for you.
This is truely sad about H and L. I was just watching NG and it was said that Hank Sr. could possibly run into Tommy or Ron in the yard.
Congrats, Cathy Jo
Cathy Jo congratulations on the birth of Christopher Maxwell. You,ll have to figure out how to send a picture by email.
Hank + Lisa so sad crack kills people + families. Think crack is not a new drug for them to use. I must admit that my first thought was that it brings Haleigh’s name back into the news.
Hello everyone
LadyDay,
I don’t know if you saw this article in March of this year. It is real interesting!
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-03-26/news/os-abc-pays-casey-anthony-critics-20100324_1_anthony-attorney-jose-baez-george-and-cindy-anthony-abc-news-spokeswoman
Orlando Sentinel Orlando, FL
3-26-2010
“Critics Hammer ABC News for $200,000 fee to Anthonys”
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I hope it is okay to post this Link here. It beats writing about the details of the article.
Hi Guys,LoL Thanks to all of you who waited on Max as much as I did,lol
He is just absolutely beautiful!Though I am sure i am biased but thats ok too,LoL
I will have pix Friday,I found out today she only had one memory card,lol so others were coming over to see the baby so I agreed to wait till the weekend,LoL
Looking,I wonder if theres a reason for it,to run into Ron in the yard,remember just the other day they were sitting in the courtroom when he was in court,I just don’t get it?
Do any of you guys think that MAYBE they were asked to do this by le?? I wish it was for that reason,if not,I don’t know what to think!
Why would they take a chance like that,sheeeeeeeeesh
To everyone thank you so much for the support and prayers. Its been a rough week, but when read comments from yall it lifts me up. Today I have my granddaughter (Zachs little girl Kaili) she is the spitting image of him and she acts like he did. Its real hard to keep smiling around her knowing that she may never remember her father ( she is 3 yrs old) and the way he loved her. I will always tell her he did and never wanted to leave her. Thanks Simon and Jan for helping me cope with all this.
To Ann-Tx
I have contacted other LE and have to to through chain of command, which I have. The St Tammany Sheriff assured me awhile back they are doing everything they can on this case. I will be making more phone calls this week. I wished we had the Texas Rangers we have the Louisiana State Troopers and I did call them and they told me all they do is assist the sheriffs office. I am hoping that we will have another search this weekend the other two weeks were cancelled,and of course the search is not conducted by LE. Thanks again everyone. May God Bless you all.
Lillymae said,in July 26th, 2010 at 6:31 pm Video: Misty’s Parents Jailed On Drug Charges
http://www.news4jax.com/video/24400135/index.html
In this video a Rodney Graham speaks on camera stating that LE lured Lisa and Hank to the crack house.
RODNEY ANTHONY GRAHAM
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 7/23/2010 8:15:00 PM - Booking#: 10-03149
Release Date & Time: 7/24/2010 7:31:08 PM
DOB: 8/5/1974 - RACE: B - SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.13-1a1 COCAINE-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG DELIV ETC SCHEDULE II F S $1,004.00 7/24/2010 7:29:03 PM
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00 7/24/2010 7:28:37 PM
812.014-3a LARC PETIT 1ST OFF M S $504.00 7/24/2010 7:28:15 PM
$2,012.00
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=762058&IMG=29494
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Thats what I get for not catching up before posting,I didn’t see your post,lol ty
I have missed yas again,either that or I’m blind as a bat,lol
Cchristyra, cyber Hug being sent to you
You be assured there are many people behind you in here, giving support and offering up prayers for you and your family. You wont find a nicer, more caring group of cyber friends and Jan and Simon have been truly magnificent with this story out to the public and keeping it out there. Please feel welcome in here anytime and stop in as often as you can, ok?
Come Back CathyJo! Big CONGRATULATIONS being sent to you
. I bet you are just tickled to death 
Babies are the sweetest blessing 
Im so surprised H and L, well, Hank had only $20- worth of cack or coke, whatever it was and Lisa was just sitting there in the car. It sort of does seem they are being targeted because of their kids. Wonder how long before the other side of the family is going to get picked up? I read a post earlier that said Ronald was shooting up his Grandmas Morphine between his toes. Which Grandma is that? Not Sykes, Really? Is it Grandma Sykes?
LadyDay, it was GGSykes.
CathyJo, Hank Sr. may just want to run into Ronald. He definitelt wanted Ronald to take note that he and Lisa were present at his trial.jmo
CathyJo, sorry about earlier. I posted to you, but then left to go listen to the show. I missed it yesterday.
oops definitely.
Do I dare ask what GS needed Morphine for? I know it could be pain related, but geezums by golly wow! Id have never thought! lol! Reminds me of a true story. One time I was in th ER and the lady in the bed next to me was being asked by a Dr. if she was allergic to any medicene, she was about 60 yrs old, Sunday School Lady type, blurted out Oh Yes ! I am very allergic to Heroin-I was in so much pain, but I almost busted my gut laughing so hard. she actually meant allergic to Morphine. I had the Rolls Royce of Morphine one time-Dilaudid, 2 drops and I went frozen dead from the inside out, scared me so much, never again! I wonder how these people, drug users do it. Just unimaginable!
I have no idea what her need for the morphine patches are. There is nothing shocking anymore from anyone involved in Haleighs enviroment. All I can think about her being found. Haleigh needs to be found and Justice served no matter who did this!
The frustration is growing quickly for me. I honestly believe the answers lye in Satsuma, but I do try and keep an open mind. I am hoping more and more each day that my belief is wrong! As wrong as it may seem, I pray that the maternal side did take her, at least then it would be hopeful for Haleigh to be alive. Granted, I would still believe they would have to accept their punishment for the crime in which they committed.jmo
cchristyra said,in July 26th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
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Christy,
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my inquiry regarding LE in Louisiana.
I hope the weather will permit a search for Zach this weekend.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. When I go to church this Sunday, I will light a candle for Zach and pray that he is found soon.
Ive always thought very strongly that it also was the maternal side that probably took Haleigh and maybe with the help of TC. Maybe Misty told Nay Nay of the problems and fights, Nay Nay might have spread the word, she is related to the Griffs side of the family if I remember correctly. I just didnt believe the way CS and then her mom was acting on tv. first time I saw Crystal on NG and she started the tears, it looked to me like she was trying more to cover up laughter than showing desperation at losing her child. One thing I feel very strongly about is that nobody outside of the two families had anything to do with Haleigh going missing. Either ronald hid her because of the upcoming court hearing, or more likely someone from CS side took her because of the money owing. She could have gone to jail for non payment of child support. When Haleigh went missing, that sort of went by the wayside, didnt it? I mean it was for back child support, right? And nobody called her in after Haleigh went missing, right?
I know a private donor paid off the child support monies, but even that is a bit strange.
Sounds good to me!
Yes, LadyDay in reply to your 12:22 above, then you have to add in the possibility about the rumor of Crystal and Ron talking about getting together and Misty intercepting the text-message being true! Possibly (one theory) causing her to lose her temper! There is plenty of motive to go around! JMO
A motive, a method, a theory: I’ll settle for anything that does not begin and end with Misty Croslin.
John W Sharp said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:39 am A motive, a method, a theory: I’ll settle for anything that does not begin and end with Misty Croslin.
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I can understand how you would feel that way. I just don’t see how it can be ruled out yet. Just my opinion.
It’s not like rulig it out it’s like giving it a rest. Misty may take her secrets to the grave; or we may never believe anyting she ever says; but there must be something we can do in the meantime. This may not be well thought out.
Yes, it is time to put Misty up on a shelf and try to think it out without her in the picture. Ive already heard it twice ‘they’ took her, from Ronald and from GGS. I think Ronald and Co. knew something was about to happen and maybe thats why they needed their babysitter around, although she seems to be a bit useless as far as defending home and hearth. Naw, I bet she was beckoned out and Viola, Haleigh is gone without a trace. A few bucks here, a few pills there, payment if full completes the transaction. Always will wonder why it took CS and family over 8 hours to get down to Satsuma, took Chelsea 3 hours and she was just up the road.
Night to all. Lets pray tomorrow is the day we hear something positive on Zac and Haleigh, Please.
Yes, LadyDay, there seem (to me) to be several elements of the story that say “Misty did it,” is just too simple, and possibly just a bit too convenient for some. She does make a perfect patsy. I can hardly imagine one more perfect.
JMO.
CathyJo, congratulations on the new grandbaby!
Yes, John W, there must be something. Prayer does help. A lot of good people are praying about all this and it can’t be in vain. Night, all.
Cchristyra- It’s hard to imagine going for over a year and not hearing from your loved one, my heart would be breaking as yours surely is. If there is anything we can do to help please feel free to ask> You, Zach and the rest of your family are in my prayers!
I would really like to believe that Crystal and Marie were behind the whole thing, but here’s what I can’t get past….if she was so concerned about the conditions in which they were living, WHY ONLY TAKE ONE CHILD??
In order for this theory to hold up that means that they chose to leave her other child in that drug hell! What kind of mother can make that decision?? Remember when Haleigh went missing Ronald still had custody of Jr. and Crystal had no idea that she would regain custody until Ron was busted! Look how long Jr. was subjected to that environment. I’m just saying that as musch as we would all like to believe that Haleigh is alive and being taken care of by THE OTHERS it’s just hard to believe
Jesse G–I can’t get past that either, except I believe, that I think when this all went down, they expected to get custody of JR sooner. They tried to sway public opinion with the abuse allegations, not to mention the drug lifestyle Ron lived. They went into complete defense mode, even going so far as putting rumors out on blogs to gain the upperhand (KP still makes an appearance on blogs). Kim P never gave them what they wanted and that is to go for custody of JR immediately. Read the Bar Complaint (it is an interesting read). Crystal had drug problems herself, and if truth be known and her side was the subject of a drug sting, she might be sitting right where the other players are. Who knows? This little girl has been missing for 18 months and that side has been silent for awhile now–too silent when there is a little girl–their daughter and granddaughter–missing and maybe be murdered. I am frustrated by the lack of leads that point in a solid direction. I am frustrated that Haleigh has not been found. I am frustrated that this has been deemed a homocide without any proof to reclassify it as one. I am frustrated with the silence for all the families. Where is Haleigh? Someone knows. JMO
Good Morning!
Put Misty on the shelf but dont obliderate her entirely. I know, I also dont get why Jr. was left behind, Except maybe either Misty was returning home from wherever about the same time whoever took Haleigh was walting out the back door with her and that someone could have been TC. One person being involved couldnt take two children at the same time.
I never could quite get why on earth if TN and GGS were so angry with Misty about the weekend, why they just didnt care for those children after the fact. I think they were mad because Ron needed a babysitter to show to DCS, they protected their Ronald so much, right down to making sure those clothes were spit spot clean, but they didnt seem to care he was shacking it with a youngster which would have got him in worse hot water than a dirty article of clothing.
CS and Co. were very quick to start pointing fingers like children in grade school. I never saw Ronald or Misty do any of that against CS.
I lost my train of thought above, was going to say Misty could have been sleeping, but that isnt a possibility. I think she came home, went right to the front bathroom, in her haziness knew the light was on, but woke up when she saw Haleigh was not there. Why did TN want to pay her to keep her there. I still think of that thing Ronald said about keeping your enemies closer. Was that really to mean keep her closer because she knew something about a scheme, but was used? I think he popped that out of left field because he couldnt exactly say Well I married her so I wouldnt get 10 to 25 for sleeping with her. I hope whatever happens to her in court, that she speaks up, she just doesnt appear to be the kind to hurt a child.
It could very possibly be that who ever went into the MH did not know where the children really slept. MG said the children slept in their own room and Misty slept in the big bedroom. So, the perp goes in expecting to get both children out of their own rooms but the children are not there. They are sleeping with Misty.
Haleigh either on a mattress on the floor or in the big bed by the door. Jr, is sleeping on the other side of Misty by the wall, no way to get him.
Just a possibility, I have no facts to confirm that scenario.
Good morning, everyone!
I don’t think we should rule out or shelve ANY theory! We should consider ALL of them and keep all of them open until LE or someone proves exactly what happened.
Sometimes a theory doesn’t seem likely to us because of the reasons we imagine are behind it or because of some part of the theory that doesn’ sit with us.
For example, I understand someone having trouble thinking that CS did this. One answer is, she probably didn’t. Her mother did. Her mother and other family members have the brains and means to do this.
And why was only Haleigh taken? One answer is because it would make it look LESS like a family-related kidnapping. If both children had been taken it would look more family/custody related. The fact that a little girl is missing brings in all the possibilities like an SO, abuse at home by R or M, etc. and directs attention away from the maternal side.
And I do NOT think the motive was to “save” Haleigh or Jr from a “horrible life” at R’s. Come on. Life at Crystal’s is better some how?
No, it was about MONEY! A great big whopping $12,000 debt that was only going to grow until the children became adults. The S/Gs had already tried to sic DCFS on R dozens of times and had NO success. Why? He was doing what DCFS asked of him. Learning how to discipline properly and moving to a MH that had enough bedrooms - one for each child.
The ONLY hope the maternal side had to stop the payments and get Jr. (which stopped payments for him) was to pull a stunt like this. Gosh knows, it was obviously too hard for CS to stop taking drugs, get a job, make an honest attempt to pay the custody etc (in other words, go about getting more time with her children in a decent, legitimate way).
That is just one of my theories. I can also see M helping the S/Gs with that because she wanted R and she wanted children of her own (supposedly) and R didn’t want any more children (supposedly). I can also see a Judas-like “friend” visiting and putting a knock-out drug in her drink - to gain access to the MH.
So lots of times the reason people can’t “see” a theory is they’re considering motives and means that don’t fit - instead of ones that do.
And, yes, some variation of “R did it” is on my list, too. But NOT to help the maternal side get custody. That could have been done a lot easier without involving LE. I think he has the least motive imo unless he accidentally hurt her somehow.
Anyway, I hope we don’t rule out any theories. We just don’t have the facts to do that imo.
m2c - did you see that the Anthony’s get to keep their house? They’re no longer in foreclosure!
And Casey’s account is at negative $41! LMAO WHY would they let the inmates go into the red? How do they think they’ll pay the account current? With their next paycheck? LOL
Still can’t find any updates about the Bozo/inmate call. He’s filed two motions to keep it sealed. Can’t find that the prosecution has filed their motion yet. UGH! The suspense is killing me! LOL
Hi, JB! I think everything the ants do is calculated. Almost to the point of thinking that now Sindee has exacted her revenge on Bank of America- the bank that pressed charges against monster for theft and fraud of Amy’s account! That may be stretching things but I don’t put it past Sindee - she has successfully cheated BOA out of about 9 months of house payments, gotten to stay in the house, and negotiated a good new loan. Makes me sick. It seems none of the ants are ever held accountable for any of the rotten things they do. I truly hope a Guilty verdict for Monster will put a stop to their run of “success.”
And yes I am eager to hear how the jail-call situation is going to turn out!
Alexandria Loring said,in July 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm robin- i think the same could be said in Caylee’s case. The things the defense is doing to some extent seems outrageous, unless that is what Casey want’s them to do!
I understand that Casey is the “Boss” like George said, but if she was coming up with these outrageous things, wouldn’t Baez be obligated to tell her that she is hanging herself and he could get himself removed from the case?
Casey told Rob Dick to check into Kia Maria (may not be spelled right) and find some dirt on her so I know Casey does come up with some over the top stories. The way she lied to LE at the very beginning about having a job and all the stories about ZG and her family no telling what Casey is saying to her defense team. It just seems to me that Baez would not put himself into some of these situations at the request of Casey and some of the legal motions Casey would probably not be aware of. See does have access to legal books, but judging by the letters she wrote to Robyn Adams she is not too bright. IMO
Alexandria Loring said,in July 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm robin- i think the same could be said in Caylee’s case. The things the defense is doing to some extent seems outrageous, unless that is what Casey want’s them to do!
I understand that Casey is the “Boss” like George said, but if she was coming up with these outrageous things, wouldn’t Baez be obligated to tell her that she is hanging herself and he could get himself removed from the case?
Casey told Rob Dick to check into Kia Maria (may not be spelled right) and find some dirt on her so I know Casey does come up with some over the top stories. The way she lied to LE at the very beginning about having a job and all the stories about ZG and her family no telling what Casey is saying to her defense team. It just seems to me that Baez would not put himself into some of these situations at the request of Casey and some of the legal motions Casey would probably not be aware of. See does have access to legal books, but judging by the letters she wrote to Robyn Adams she is not too bright. IMO
oops, forgot to finish:
And yes I am eager to hear how the jail-call situation is going to turn out! Because Bozo is another person who has never been held accountable for all the tricks and carp he’s pulled over the past two years! I hope there’s a “speshul” bus headed straight for him (and his law license).
m2c - LOL - Boy we’re on the same page with the Ants! They just KEEP getting away with murder! They all think they are entitled! They have not honored Caylee ONCE since she went missing! It SICKENS me!
Come on Perry give us a giggle…release the jailhouse/Bozo call! We could use the laugh!
Goodmorning all ! M2C and JB you both are right on about the Anthony Case. I am impatiently for the inmate call to be released as well.
Praying for Haleigh and Zach to be found and Justice for Caylee!!
CathyJo63 said,in July 26th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
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Do any of you guys think that MAYBE they were asked to do this by le?? I wish it was for that reason,if not,I don’t know what to think!
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No, Hank and Lisa are drug users and I do not think LE asked them to do anything. I appears that Putnam County is on an all out effort to clean up the drug dealers/buyers. I can’t blame them as they have taken a lot of bad press over not being able to find Haleigh.
I hope she is found, but meanwhile they are cleaning up the place in an effort to keep other children as well as adults safe.
dru, I really don’t see any bigger effort now in Putnam then there has ever been. Bust small time buyers/sellers slap a small bond (unless your name is Croslin or Cummings), give them probation and a fine, scoot them out the door until they get busted again.
That has been going on forever in Putnam. You can go back through booking logs and court docs and see that pretty much nothing has changed.
The main difference now is that the public is aware, and media puts it out there, when one of the families gets popped, but research shows there has been no significant difference made in Putnam county since Hardy took over as Sheriff.
I see someone stole my name.
I know I haven’t posted in a while but when did this new Jules show up?
I don’t live there and haven’t checked into the records, just came by wondering if there is any news actually regarding Haleigh. I just cannot wrap my mind around the fact the LE would ask them to buy drugs so they could arrest them. They were probably at Ron’s court date because they wanted to see if he was going to get a plea and testify against Misty. Putting them in jail and asking them to get busted would not find Haleigh, IMO.
Not many can steal my name. Drucilla, not many of us around.
It is discusting how you can type in “Haleigh Cummings” in a news search and all you see are stories about the Croslin drug arrests and Ronald’s plea deal.
Oh I don’t think LE asked Lisa and Hank to get busted nor do I believe LE set them up. It is inevitable to get busted when you are an addict out looking for your drugs, hanging in the not so nice neighborhoods, and/or living in a homeless shelter. Eventually your drug use will catch up with you and you will get busted. Just the way the dice rolls.
OFF TOPIC: There will be a news conf. on the Kyron Horman case today. A grand jury met yesterday. DeDe Spicher (SP?), the friend of Terri Horman had to meet with the grand jury yesterday. Let’s hope an arrest will be made soon and that Kyron is brought home safely. God’s speed!
I do not think LE asked anything of H and L. They are addicts and could not refrain.jmo
Thanks JB. Prayers that Kyron is found safe and brought back home where he belongs.
JB thank you for the info. I pray to God Kyron is safe and can come home to his family. Do you know what time the conference is scheduled for?
dru - it is disGusting….with a “G” and unfortunately it is just one big circus and all the clowns are part of the same show. Simon and Jan didn’t ask for all the key players in this case to get busted for drugs. They just report on it.
JB you are absolutely right on your post @ 10:10am
Hi, First and Second Jules!
Don’t worry about it. It happens sometimes.
What either one or both of you could do is change your nic slightly (like Jules 1st) or whatever and go with that. Just be sure if you change it to let Jan know.
A mouse can’t be caught in a trap unless he’s out looking for the cheese. H and L were looking for cheese and the trap got sprung. It isn’t entrapment. It isn’t rogue LE work. It is what it is. Druggies being druggies and getting busted for it. Plain and simple. And as the saying goes, don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. No one held a gun to their head and said “GO BUY COCAINE”.
m2c @8:37- I agree with most of what you’re saying but disagree about the money being the motive. If jr had been taken it might give more credence to that. He requires less care then Haleigh and since he is younger she would be paying for him for a longer period of time.
But yes, everyone should still be considered a POI, including SO’s!
JB said,in July 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am dru - it is disGusting….with a “G” and unfortunately it is just one big circus and all the clowns are part of the same show. Simon and Jan didn’t ask for all the key players in this case to get busted for drugs. They just report on it.
So sorry about the typo. I was not referring to this site and I know Simon and Jan didn’t write the script for the Croslin family. I was talking about searching the entire web using “Haleigh Cummings”.
Sure hope you have a great day, JB.
JB
Do you take the time to correct all typos or just mine?
Jules- I think Casey is smarter then a lot give her credit for. We only know the very limited information given as to how she conned people into doing her bidding!Perhaps some of her Attorneys are leaving because they are smarter then her and realized they were being conned!
dru - oh, I make plenty of typos..
..I’m the typo queen…but if you are going to come into Jan and Simon’s “house” and complain about their articles and be “discusted”…I just thought perhaps you’d like to complain accurately. 
Casey had to be smart enough to get by without working and to keep up with all of her lies. I read the letters she wrote to Robyn Adams and I think a lot of the talk about Caylee and how much she loved and missed her was because Robyn had children and she was trying to mold herself into the person she thought Robyn would want to be friends with. Like Jesse Grund said, Casey could be whatever she needed to be to get her way.
I just think if Baez had a backbone, he would not do her bidding as he is looking less and less like an attorney anyone else would hire. Baez, IMO, is stringing this case out in order to get as much free advertising as he can as well as money, but there has to be a limit to his stupidity unless he really is stupid.
I think maybe I need to type my comments in a word prosessor then copy and paste here so I don’t get in trouble for typos too. I start thinking and typing so fast when I get started on Casey and her cast of characters.
dru - sorry….misread your comment. My apologies. I thought you were complaining about the site….but it appears you were complaining about the “clowns”. Sorry. So many people criticize Jan and Simon. It gets old. They do more to keep these stories alive than the mainstream media with all their power and resources. Again, my apologies…..some times I get “discusted” with the fly by complainers! LOL
dru is not a fly by. She has posted here off and on for two years, as have I.
comment deleted. JB said her apologies. She misunderstood dru’s statement so please let this go
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Jules - I misunderstood the post and I apologized and I wasn’t bickering so chill. I didn’t say dru was a fly by either. I said I got tired of the fly by complainers who pick at Jan and Simon. Now who is trying to stir the pot? I was polite in my comments and I apologized for misunderstanding the post. So can YOU drop it please and thank you!?
WHERE’S HALEIGH????????????
Jules - I think you need to take a chill pill. I was being silly with my post by using “discusted”! I stated I made typos too…even stated I was the typo queen. I’ve apologized for misunderstanding the comment but you just keep it going. Let it go already! Sheesh. If I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong. I’ve done that. I’ve apologized. Not sure why you need to interject yourself and keep things stirred up.
I know a lot of people seem to put a lot of stock in what is happening with the drug cases, and how those cases relate to Haleigh, but I don’t. The only relation I see is that had Haleigh not been missing it would be doubtful that the sting would have been executed.
I do, however, think that if anything is to be garnered, as far as information goes about Haleigh’s whereabouts, from any of the drug cases, it will come when TC is sentenced and ONLY if he is sentenced to a much greater amount of time then the 3 years he is expecting.
I do not believe Ron has any more info to give LE then he already has. I do not believe that Misty has any first hand info to give, other then what TC (and the rest of the Croslins) have put in her head.
I definitely don’t think Donna or Hope have any info, nor do I believe that Hank and Lisa have any info. Maybe they have their suspicions but I don’t believe they have anything concrete.
Alex @ 10:37 - What I meant for that theory is that the motive was to get both the children - eventually. What did MG do right after Haleigh’s disappearance? Try very very hard to get custody of Jr.
So IF Haleigh is alive and well somewhere, they’ve succeeded, haven’t they? Maybe not according to “plan” but still.
It’s just a theory but I wanted to clear up some of the assumptions that it’s based on.
All our theories are based on some assumptions, of course.
Jules @ 10:53am - ita but the problem with Baez is that he now has so much invested in this case, if he dumps her he will lose more then credibility. I’m not even sure the judge would allow it if Casey still wants him.
m2c - but if I was Crystal and clan and I didn’t have custody of the kids and one came up missing, the first thing I would do is try to get custody of the 2nd one in an effort to keep them safe. And Crystal would still owe the back child support even if she got custody. That doesn’t go away. Obviously Crystal never wanted custody too bad because she never got her act together and got off the drugs. Now her family members are pretty nuts and I could see them trying to get the kids. That part I get. But I don’t think they could pull it off for this long and keep Haleigh in hiding. I know it COULD happen but I don’t think they’re that bright.
But it is a possibility. Not at the top of my list of theories but it is a definite possibility. My top theory still goes back to the Croslins and Ron….something to do with drugs….accidental OD, drug debt, Haleigh killed in anger or to keep her quiet…..but even a RSO is still on my theory list.
I just wish we knew WHAT it is LE has that made them change this to a homicide. SURELY to goodness they didn’t classify this case as a homicide based on a statement from Misty and Tommy because we know the truth and those two are as much of strangers as Casey and the truth are.
JB- Well said & I totally agree! Especially with the comparison to Casey & the truth. LE took her to Universal and we learned what was said there. It would be interesting to hear what Tommy & Misty said to LE when they were taken to the river!
JB @ 11:25 am - There are a lot of things that can be said for and against all theories about what happened to Haleigh. I just put one theory out there with some thoughts. There is nothing to rule it out. Just like there is nothing to rule out any other theory.
robin said,in July 27th, 2010 at 7:46 am Jesse G–I can’t get past that either, except I believe, that I think when this all went down, they expected to get custody of JR sooner. They tried to sway public opinion with the abuse allegations, not to mention the drug lifestyle Ron lived. They went into complete defense mode, even going so far as putting rumors out on blogs to gain the upperhand (KP still makes an appearance on blogs). Kim P never gave them what they wanted and that is to go for custody of JR immediately. Read the Bar Complaint (it is an interesting read). Crystal had drug problems herself, and if truth be known and her side was the subject of a drug sting, she might be sitting right where the other players are. Who knows? This little girl has been missing for 18 months and that side has been silent for awhile now–too silent when there is a little girl–their daughter and granddaughter–missing and maybe be murdered. I am frustrated by the lack of leads that point in a solid direction. I am frustrated that Haleigh has not been found. I am frustrated that this has been deemed a homocide without any proof to reclassify it as one. I am frustrated with the silence for all the families. Where is Haleigh? Someone knows. JMO
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If someone on the maternal side took Haleigh, they might have thought they could eventually get Jr via a custody suit. But think about this, too: it’s a heck of a lot easier to hide one child than two. In certain parts of the country, it is very easy to hide a child and local folks don’t let outsiders know their business. If Haleigh was taken by someone on Crystal’s side of the family, it sure wasn’t Crystal and she probably has no idea about it. Actally, IF this is what occurred, she is likely in a good safe place and taken care of. There would be very few ways an outsider could find her.
Aligoo - while the Crystal Clan abduction theory has never been at the top of my personal theory list, it is by far the BEST possible scenario. I pray that this is indeed what happened to Haleigh. But the fact LE classified this as a homicide tells me they have something to prove she is dead. Not sure what that is….but they have something. I can’t for the life of me believe that LE would call this a homicide without something pretty solid. They might call it a criminal investigation but not a homicide. If they’ve done so without substantial proof, then shame on them. Why put the family through that without proof? I think there are protocols for LE to follow for classifying it as homicide, unfortunately…and it is obvious those requirements were met.
JB what about the case of Amber Rose, abducted by 12 and 13 year old relatives, passed off to non family members in another state, several states away, kept hidden for 7 years. Her name changed and never enrolled in schools.
Two of the teens went to juvie, never talked, the third, 13 years old, was never found until recently.
Crytal’s extended family is sprinkled all through the south and the hills of Kentucky. It would not be hard for them to hide a child. Heck Chad helped hide a child for over a year.
Jules said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Casey had to be smart enough to get by without working and to keep up with all of her lies. I read the letters she wrote to Robyn Adams and I think a lot of the talk about Caylee and how much she loved and missed her was because Robyn had children and she was trying to mold herself into the person she thought Robyn would want to be friends with. Like Jesse Grund said, Casey could be whatever she needed to be to get her way.
I just think if Baez had a backbone, he would not do her bidding as he is looking less and less like an attorney anyone else would hire. Baez, IMO, is stringing this case out in order to get as much free advertising as he can as well as money, but there has to be a limit to his stupidity unless he really is stupid.
I think maybe I need to type my comments in a word prosessor then copy and paste here so I don’t get in trouble for typos too. I start thinking and typing so fast when I get started on Casey and her cast of characters.
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You’re right Casey is a chameleon and I believe Mist to be one too just not to the extent that Casey is.
LadyDay said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 8:31 am
CS and Co. were very quick to start pointing fingers like children in grade school. I never saw Ronald or Misty do any of that against CS.
I lost my train of thought above, was going to say Misty could have been sleeping, but that isnt a possibility. I think she came home, went right to the front bathroom, in her haziness knew the light was on, but woke up when she saw Haleigh was not there. Why did TN want to pay her to keep her there. I still think of that thing Ronald said about keeping your enemies closer. Was that really to mean keep her closer because she knew something about a scheme, but was used? I think he popped that out of left field because he couldnt exactly say Well I married her so I wouldnt get 10 to 25 for sleeping with her. I hope whatever happens to her in court, that she speaks up, she just doesnt appear to be the kind to hurt a child.
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I think he married her to keep her from leaving. Even Hank told Misty in one of the jail videos that she should have left like he wanted her too.
There is no proof that Teresa was going to pay Misty that night except what Art said that Chelsea said that Misty said and the Croslins are not the bastions of truth.
JB, you are absolutely correct. I think LE does have something. But, what bothers me that they have a family with so many glaring guilty factors that it might be blinded their objectivity. In one theory, there is substantial motive, possible means, and possible opportunity. In the other theory, there is a cast of characters who have some admitted involvement, clear drug use, repeated lying and LDT failures. What a quandry for LE! If they have used statements from the Croslins, together with circumstantial evidence, this may have convinced them to focus on the Croslin theory. You are right that we don’t have privy to anything concrete that LE has.
I just hope that they do have something concrete and have not gotten so drawn in by admissions made by liars that they have been blindsided. The other theory needs to be looked at and IMO, it has not been substantially addressed. It’s possible, too, that there is a connection between these two theories.
I don’t think they were lured anymore than any other dopr buyer.I got the impression that itwas a sting for all buyers not justthem.
Aligoo–I have never thought about it being easier to hide one child instead of two. That makes a lot of sense to me. I have always held to the Sheffields being responsible for this for some reason and I think it is because Haleigh has not been found (not that the public knows of and I don’t think LE could keep that under wraps). They automatically jumped on the convenient suspects like Misty and Tommy, instead of looking at other possible suspects. Those SOs were cleared too easily and too early for my liking, when recently those have been the ones responsible for murders like these (with exception of Casey A). I think the Caylee A murder has overshadowed the way LE investigated this case, and I hate to see that because potential suspects could have easily slipped through the cracks early on. I hope LE has more on Misty and Tommy and the reason they suspect them, because I would hate for a child murderer to walk free and unscathed to strike again. I hope if Haleigh is alive that she is well taken care of and someone out there has the decency to come forward and put the people that love her out of the misery of wondering where she is at. JMO
Hi, JB! My theory about LE reclassifying Haleigh’s case as a homicide is that they were “sold” on SB and T’s story about the river. But then were very disappointed to find nothing. So I think LE jumped the gun. LE has not shown proof to the families or anyone else. Maybe it’s true. Maybe LE has their reasons. Or maybe they’re all wrong. It’s happened. LE has been wrong before so I can’t just trust them on this. It doesn’t seem fair to Haleigh (to me).
WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm JB …Crytal’s extended family is sprinkled all through the south and the hills of Kentucky. It would not be hard for them to hide a child. Heck Chad helped hide a child for over a year.
This is true and these are areas in which hollars are prevelant, home schooling is common, and families are clannish. With young children, nicknames can be given, accents changed, appearances easily changed…
Aligoo–I totally agree with your 12:26 post.
m2c said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm Hi, JB! My theory about LE reclassifying Haleigh’s case as a homicide is that they were “sold” on SB and T’s story about the river. But then were very disappointed to find nothing. So I think LE jumped the gun.
I think this is very possible, hate to say. Tommy may have came up with this story thinking he would get a plea for “helping”. Misty may have inadvertantly collaborated the story by confirming the dock based upon a story Tommy told her. The Croslins stink so high that how could they possibly not be the perps, right?
methinks- in the Palaka Daily they list seven others who were arrested in the sting & First coast says there were 15 total. The odd thing is the bail amounts. The Croslins bail is much higher!
The problem is that we on the outside don’t know all that LE knows, so we’re second guessing. I just hope & pray that LE has been objective and not so drawn in by a bunch of liars that they are not looking in the right direction. They could be fooled by someone that looks normal and trustworthy to them. They need to get back to investigation 101: motive, means, and opportunity. If there is any possibility that Haleigh is alive and out of state, the FBI needs to take a stronger role. I think the problem is that they don’t have any hard evidence of this possibility.
m2c said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Hi, JB! My theory about LE reclassifying Haleigh’s case as a homicide is that they were “sold” on SB and T’s story about the river. But then were very disappointed to find nothing. So I think LE jumped the gun. LE has not shown proof to the families or anyone else. Maybe it’s true. Maybe LE has their reasons. Or maybe they’re all wrong. It’s happened. LE has been wrong before so I can’t just trust them on this. It doesn’t seem fair to Haleigh (to me).
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I think PCSO jumped the gun and then got shot in the foot by the same gun
Robin, the problem is that if Haleigh is alive and is well taken care of, then nobody out there would want to come forward and put the people that love her out of the misery of wondering where she is at, because they would feel that she is so much better off than she was. I think that they would feel that Haleigh’s well being would supercede any misery on the part of other family members - even family members on their own side of the family. Maybe they are right that she is better off, but the fact would still be there that they broke the law.
Vaquera - yup, I think you’re right. I actually still have several theories floating, but I do think that LE jumped the gun. They have several times before, e.g., the pond search. They are lacking some vital piece of information which would help them solve this case. Until they get it, they are poking at windmills.
We know there have been cases where for example, a stranger has gotten in and taken a child right under the family’s nose and not left any trace (at least that LE could find). And we know of other cases where LE was sure about who did it but couldn’t prove it. So both of those extremes and everything in between is possible.
I just don’t see the benefit to anyone except PCSO LE in classifying this as a homicide.
Alex - Weren’t Lisa and Hank given probation for (or at least Lisa) for the last round of crimes they committed? If either had suspended sentences and probation and then got caught in the drug sting, their original charges could be brought back as well. They were given a second chance (or is this the third or fourth chance…I’ve lost track) and they blew it. Their bonds may be higher because they broke probation on suspended sentences and now they’ll face the original charges as well as the drug charges. It could get really ugly for them this time. I think the judge will not be as kind to them this time around.
I don’t know any of this for sure but it is a possibility. I can’t remember if either has a suspended sentence with probation or not. Anyone know?
m2c - I’m really hoping LE jumped the gun with classifying this a homicide, the Crystal Clan has Haleigh and she is alive and well. I just want that baby found and for those responsible to be held accountable.
I really want to believe LE has not jumped the gun in declaring Haleigh deceased. I hope they are not just poking at windmills. I wonder why in the world would Tommy and Misty say Haleigh is dead! Telling LE they know what happened, but was not involved. I do not understand this if Haleigh is indeed alive somewhere and they have knowledge that she is. It does not make any sense. The charges against them for murder or accessory after the fact is far greater than they would get for directing LE to an alive Haleigh.jmo
Aligoo @ 12:54 - How would anyone really “know” that Haleigh was better off with them? I mean the kind of people who’d keep her against the law? Yes, R took drugs. So do half the people in that area as far as I can see. So does/did Haleigh’s mom. So this whole thing of kidnapping or keeping her because she’s supposedly better off is a pile of hooey imo.
Hooey that’s been deliberately spread around since nearly the beginning of this case and is still being heaped on by the bucketful. It could be true, but again, no proof. I like a little of that before condemning someone - or condemning a child to living life without her own family.
JB i am not sure if they both got suspended sentences, but they were both on probation at the time they were arrested for the drugs. Lisa has more than one.
LFJ - yeah, just looked at the Putnam Co arrest info - they both were on probation. Many times there is a suspended sentence with the probation and as long as they keep their nose clean, all is well. But if they screw up again, it ALL comes back into play. They may have really screwed the pooch this time if that is the case.
I wonder what the prior IRS tax statements on George and Cindy show, regarding Casey. There would be proof right there that once again cindy told a mistruth if Cindy knew Casey wasnt working prior, meaning 2006, 2007, etc. if Cindy and George had Casey as an exemption, along with Caylee. I wonder why Casey never filed for SSI for her and Caylee if the father died. It would not matter if she oculdnt show proof, but I guess she cut her own nose off when she didnt provide the fathers last name at time of birth.
I believe they have this time JB. They may have free room and board for awhile.jmo
m2c - I agree that Haleigh would have been no better off living with Crystal and clan….and obviously a court of law agreed since Ron had custody. But NEITHER should have been responsible for a gerbil or a goldfish IMO! Both sides of Haleigh’s family should be ashamed of themselves for their criminal activities, putting themselves before their children (multiple generations) and the circus they created after Haleigh went missing.
GRRRRRRR
ITA!! JB
lfj - the sad part is they’ll probably have just as much access to drugs in jail than they did out….but at least they’ll get their free room and board, three square meals a day, and the family is united! UGH!
Prosecutors Claim Baez Has ‘Faulty Memory’
Baez Seeks To Have Conversations With Inmate Sealed
POSTED: 11:45 am EDT July 27, 2010
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EDT July 27, 2010
ORLANDO, Fla. –
Prosecutors accused Casey Anthony’s defense attorney on Tuesday of having a “faulty memory” and making “simply untrue” claims about recorded phone calls with a prison inmate.
Jose Baez has filed two motions in an attempt to have his conversations with state prison inmate Robin Lunceford sealed.
Prosecutors said Baez’s claims that he didn’t know the call was being recorded are “simply untrue.”
(He is truly a dumbass
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oops, here’s the link
http://www.wesh.com/news/24407924/detail.html
What is the population that the Putnam Co Sherrif’s office serves? They sure have a lot of arrests on a daily basis and so many of them are drug related. Just curious if they are above or below the curve when it comes to crime. They sure seem busy! LOL
JB, I agree with your 1:26.
VAQ, ITA!! Baez is a DUMBA**!!
People QuickFacts Putnam County Florida
Population definition and source info Population, 2009 estimate 72,893
Lana, I agree with you that it would be easier to hide a younger child. I do believe Haleigh would be a handful. You can see what a spitfire she is in her one photo.
vaquera said,in July 27th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
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THANKS FOR THAT UPDATE! LOL It is about time someone called Bozo on his “selective memory” aka LYING! ROFLMAO
vaquera said,in July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
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Dang Vaq, you are on your game today! Thanks for that info too! I just wonder how their arrests stack up to comparable towns. They just seem to have a LOT of drug arrests IMO!
LfJ, You must have seen the spark in her eyes that even the photo picked up.
Lana, Maybe he said some bad swear no nos againt the DA’s office or somebody else in the tapes. Maybe he called his client some kind of name. Bright is definately a word not associated with Boez.
There is a small town near a large lake not far from where I live that is drug infested. I guess one druggie moves in and they have friends who follow. They have lots of house fires so they don’t spend too much money on the trailer houses they live in.
Lana said,in July 27th, 2010 at 1:46 pm This is from the Orlando Sentinel
Baez has said that the Lunceford conversation is not damaging to the defense and more detrimental to the state’s case.
Then why does he want it sealed? He is not too bright.
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ROFLMAO - So is Bozo working for the prosecution now? ROFLMAO Oh, what an idiot that man is! Doesn’t sound like the prosecution is too worried about it and they even appear to want it UNSEALED so, Bozo, so much for it being damaging to the the prosecution’s case. Good Grief. Does the man think before he speaks? He REALLY needs to take some pointers from Casey on lying….at least she came across somewhat believable! He just sounds ignorant!
Lady, maybe Baez called Casey a liar.
Lana, unfortunately what we think an abducted or abused child will do is not usually what they do. Elizabeth Smart had opportunity to leave but didn’t. Jaycee the same thing. Jessica L did not scream or try to get away when she was being abducted, she walked and climbed a ladder into a bedroom window.
Adults as well are often held by their captors and even when opportunities arise for them to escape they do not.
A connection is made with the perp. It is an instinct of survival, it is a form of brainwashing, it is a form PTSD.
We can not believe anybody put in that type of scenario will behave in any certain manner. Haleigh could have been told all of her family is dead, we just don’t know.
But we have to keep looking for her, we can’t assume that she will find a way to get back home on her own, that is not usually the case.
‘Faulty Memory’ LOL LOL! I guess Boez will make the argument hes been hanging with the Ant KoolAid crowd too danged long. LOL. Give that man some Effexor!
Worse yet, maybe Baez asked Lunceford if she is a good liar and can tell a big one without cracking up on the stand.
Boez already said somewhere that his client is definately a habitual or bonafide liar, so that wont work. So, next question is, if he knows his client is this bonafide liar, how he can he get up on his lectern and say She is INNOCENT? What a laugh!
JB, this is just my own theory from what happened leading up to the Shell Harbour search.
Werter released the phone call between G.Hollar and Tommy. He also said it was not redacted. We never heard Tommy talk about a person in particular; just ‘HE’. Tommy never described what G.Hollar described on JVM and NG. G.Hollar said Misty told her that it was Joe and Tommy. They tied Haleigh to cinder blocks with a yellow rope, perhaps matching the yellow rope on Rons door, and threw her in the river.
Misty asked G.Hollar to call Annette Sykes and tell her what the story was and in a recent article it was stated that AS was told not to go to the area and possibly contaminate the scene, but after G.Hollars call AS and TN went to the area anyways per AS and said they searched the woods all afternoon,but found nothing. If Shell Harbour was totally a lie, why would Misty have G.Hollar call AS and then they themselves go search? LE then inquires about a 1990s grey van in the area recently to the residents that live right in that area. I also thought too that AS knowing what Tommy and Mistys story is she could tell Ron what she was told and he would know what they are saying. Like I said it is just my theory.
WhyLie, I was not suggesting that Haleigh should find her way home or that anyone should stop looking for her. I know if I had not seen my brothers crying and waving at me from the backseat of the car that took them I could have been told they were dead. If my Daddy hadn’t answered his phone, I could have been told he was dead.
I don’t know how anyone would act and I am not sure what I would do today if someone broke into my home, but I think it would have been easier to take Jr if that is the case. I don’t think she was abducted by family members. I try really hard to think that she is alive and hope this ends like the movie “Gone Baby Gone” but I am having my doubts.
WhyLie I agree with your 1:52pm post.
“The prosecutor’s response says the Baez Law Firm received two calls from Lunceford, an inmate at the state Department of Corrections’ Lowell facility near Ocala. The first call came in at 6:34 p.m. and was answered by a Baez legal assistant. That call started with a recorded message, according to the filing.
The message states the call is a “prepaid collect call” from a state inmate and that the call “is subject to recording and monitoring.”
An arrangement is made for the caller to call back at 7 p.m. to speak with Baez directly. At 7:01 p.m., inmate Lunceford calls again and “Mr. Baez hears the same warning detailed above and accepts the call,” Burdick’s response states.
After Burdick told Baez the warning occurred at the start of the call, she said Baez filed a supplemental motion saying he had “absolutely no recollection of hearing any recording by the correctional facility.”
“Regardless of the state of Mr. Baez’ faulty recollection, it is clear that the call was not an unlawfully intercepted communication under [ Florida statutes],” Burdick argues. “It takes little imagination to envision that calls being received from a prisoner in a correctional institution are being recorded negating any reasonable expectation of privacy Mr. Baez may believe he had in the call.”
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ROFLMAO - Oh my goodness, why is Bozo fighting this so much. I mean, it doesn’t sound like there is really anything major on the call….other than Bozo must have sounded like a complete fool…but hey, we’re all used to that! LAMO
WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Crytal’s extended family is sprinkled all through the south and the hills of Kentucky. It would not be hard for them to hide a child. Heck Chad helped hide a child for over a year.
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Can someone please tell me whose child Chad help hide and why? I can’t find anything about this other than this post.
Just read something posted after an article about Bozo’s call. Is it true that Bozo, D. Casey and Conway’s homes are ALL in foreclosure right now? ROFLMAO OH, I hope it is true! TOO FLIPPIN’ FUNNY! But for now, until we can find proof, it is just rumor. But what a fun rumor it is! LOL
LOL!! JB
Lana I do not know any info about Chad hiding a child. I wish I could help, but unfortunately I have nothing. Sorry.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/07/casey-anthony-prosecution-highlights-jose-baezs-knowledge-that-call-was-coming-from-prison.html?wpmp_switcher=mobile
Lana - sorry…REALLY long link….it is a blog post in response to the article. I’m going to go see if I can find anything reliable to back it up. BBL
WELLLL, if you google “jose baez home foreclosure” there are a lot of hits…..it is looking like it is true!
Can’t find anything on Conway and D. Casey foreclosure….yet….LOL
lfj - I like your theory….pretty much coincides with my top theory. I just have a lot of theories….. LOL
marinadedave.com/tag/brad-conway
Can someone open this? And tell me what it says? LOL I can’t open it at work for some reason.
Dang, where did everyone go? We’re in a foreclosure festival! All hands on deck! We need our sleuths to find the facts! LOL
Lana, Sorry. It has never been cleared up exactly who the child was that was being hidden, but the most logical scenario seems to be that Chad helped hide out his ex’s child (from previous marriage) for over a year. The child was passed around among family members.
Cobra tried to get details but to no avail because it is an ongoing investigation, according to Cobra.
It was an out of state situation, I believe GA, not Florida. A lot of people researched it but very few were able to come up with any real information about it.
Lana, I bet it is named Acme Looney Tunes Financial Planning Inc.
See, they all lived high on the hog via poor little Caylee’ memory and now the hens have come home to roost, meaning their high life also came to a crashing halt. that karma, I tell you.
LadyDay - ROFLMAO - Isn’t Karma wonderful! LMAO And I don’t think the hens have just come home to roost, they’re having a crap fest on their way! BOMBS AWAY! LOL
And I think the hens are doing a little pecking and scratching along with crapping! I do so love Karma! LOL
Jan / Simon - Do you have any way of confirming that Baez, Conway AND Dominick Casey’s homes are all in foreclosure?
Hey, like the saying goes (cleaning it up a bit) That little white piece on top of chicken poop is in fact chicken poop too. A true chitfest.
I just read something about them ants trying to lump the house debt in their Foundation account. That sounds beyond sneaky.
Maybe if somebody in here as the knowhow to go to Orlando or whatever city they live in and go to the County Tax Assessor’s website, you may be able to find it that way by inputting their names. Good luck!
LadyDay - I don’t think it sounds legal (lumping the house debt into their foundation)!
And is the foundation REALLY making any money? Who the heck would donate to the Ant’s anyway? And how many searches have they been on with their boat and 4 wheeler (and NO George, that doesn’t include fishing trips).
Oh, and it appears Baez has filed a civil suit against some bloggers! LOL - They took pic’s from his Facebook page and made a parody photo out of it mocking him. Not sure but isn’t anything posted on Facebook fair game? Anyone know? When you post info and pics about yourself on the web for people to visit and view, what amount of privacy do you hope to maintain, much less expect? Now he says his pictures are copywrited. Who copywrites their pictures and did the pics state that? Good grief! When does he find time for Facebook anyway!? I mean, isn’t he a tad bit busy filing motion number 5,430,109,897,345…oh, and trying to find a way to defend a baby killer? LOL
Is it copyright or copywrite? LOL For some reason neither looks right! LMAO…I’m having WAY too much fun with this Bozo phone call recording, foreclosure festival, civil suit thing today. LOL
LadyDay - well, on all the other blogs there are tons of posts and articles about the foreclosures on Baez and Conway….some on D. Casey as well. I understand foreclosure happens to people…and it is unfortunate….it happens to good people and it sucks….but in this case, I’m honestly delighting in the fact that these people are facing foreclosure. I’m sure they’ll worm out of it just like the Ants…but still…..I’ll take what I can get and this feels pretty darn good! LOL
WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm Lana, Sorry.
No reason to be sorry. I just wanted to know if the method he used could be used against him to find Haleigh is he was involved.
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/24408283/detail.html
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This is the link to the state’s response to Bozo’s request to seal the call. He didn’t even cite the correct legal statues in his motion and the state corrects him on this! TOO flippin’ funny! Bozo just looks more and more like a clown every time he opens his mouth! Even DURING the call the inmate states she isn’t telling him everything she knows because the calls are recorded! LMAO What a moron!
Well, I do know if the dumb numbskull had watermarked his photos then hed have a leg to stand on if someone snagged them, if he has no Copyright on his page, I believe it is free game! An owner of a picture must watermark it, and some law states something about having to wait like 75 years before the copyright expires. Is he going to sue newspapers next for taking his picture and then somebody using that photo for fun and games? He would have the biggest civil class action suit going and then what? Each person winds up sending him 2 and 1/2 cents each? I think that guy needs to change hid Depends a little more often!
JB said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Oh, and it appears Baez has filed a civil suit against some bloggers! LOL - They took pic’s from his Facebook page and made a parody photo out of it mocking him. Not sure but isn’t anything posted on Facebook fair game? Anyone know? When you post info and pics about yourself on the web for people to visit and view, what amount of privacy do you hope to maintain, much less expect? Now he says his pictures are copywrited. Who copywrites their pictures and did the pics state that? Good grief! When does he find time for Facebook anyway!? I mean, isn’t he a tad bit busy filing motion number 5,430,109,897,345…oh, and trying to find a way to defend a baby killer? LOL
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that is Blink,she used to post at websleuth’s till she was banned during the Caylee case now she has blinkoncrime.com over at the monkey cage
JB said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
LadyDay - I don’t think it sounds legal (lumping the house debt into their foundation)!
And is the foundation REALLY making any money? Who the heck would donate to the Ant’s anyway? And how many searches have they been on with their boat and 4 wheeler (and NO George, that doesn’t include fishing trips).
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None, because there is no way in hell they can do any SAR is that bass boat and it is indeed an expensive bass boat.
Vaq - not familiar with blink and websleuth’s scares the bejeebies out of me! LOL
So do you think Bozo has a leg to stand on this civil case? I guess he reads all the blogs to see what people are saying about him. LOL Does it REALLY matter? LOL
LadyDay - boy, you know more about this picture copyright thing than I do! I don’t do “Facebook” or anything like that. I can barely keep up with blogging, work, home, etc! LOL
weird.. I can’t find anything on the property appraiser site under their name or their address..
vaq - what is the property appraiser site? Who are you looking for? Cindy and George? Baez? Conway? D. Casey?
Vaq - I wish someone would bust a hole in the bottom of Georgie’s bass boat! UGH!
JB said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Vaq - not familiar with blink and websleuth’s scares the bejeebies out of me! LOL
So do you think Bozo has a leg to stand on this civil case? I guess he reads all the blogs to see what people are saying about him. LOL Does it REALLY matter? LOL
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No, I don’t. They pictures were put on an open facebook and not copyrighted so they are fair game. It was a funny picture.LOL
I wonder how that Foundation is doing as well. LOL! I dont think anybody is dumb enough now to send them a plugged nickle! I think their foundation paid for their little trip to some town to hand out those teddy bears, but that was a year ago or so. Ive yet to see the SS Caylee conducting any water searches anyplace! Ive learned why people sign up to have Foundations, some are above board, but the possibilities of having so many tax write offs and then the amount the Pres, etc. can take right off the top, its the 21st century way of life and making easy money it seems.
If they were all so smart, well, I must stop right there, they are not smart so nothing more to say. LOL. No more pity parties for the ants.
JB @ 1:14 - yes Lisa had broken Probation but some of the others arrested in the same sting were charged mith manufacturing, to me that means you are in possession of everything you manufactured , the buyer is only in possession of the amount they bought, so the bail should be multipled in the manufacturing charges not lessened because they passed some on to other dopeheads. In this case I feel Justice is not blind, they see the Croslin name and bail goes up, it was always my belief that bail was set to insure that someone would show up for court not as a punishment. Something stinks in this mess. I do feel that they are better off in jail for the time being but fair is fair and that means justice needs to be meted out in a manner that is equal under the law!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
this is another poster from WS who has a blog that shows the picture Blink posted on her blog.
If Boez was smart, hed have put on one of those blocker things on so nobody could snag a pic. I think the way it goes is if somebody uses a photo without permission and then makes money on that photo by way of being in a book, etc, then he could probably sue, otherwise it is a share and share alike thing. Yes, Why DOES he have a Facebook or MySpace or does he Twitter as well(dont answer that-lol!)Has time for that, but cant file a doc the right way. I think in his next job application, he could become Cone Placement Inforcement Supervisior for CalTrans or at least DMV.
Lana said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Crytal’s extended family is sprinkled all through the south and the hills of Kentucky. It would not be hard for them to hide a child. Heck Chad helped hide a child for over a year.
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Can someone please tell me whose child Chad help hide and why? I can’t find anything about this other than this post.
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It was his exwife Roxie’s child and as far as I know it’s till an open case. I had heard about it before cobra and TJ talked about it on BTR
I meant to say IF the pic was copywritten first and then used by someone else, then he could sue, otherwise…(Bang The Gong) Try again!
Boez, Would you like to join my Easy Law School For Dummies 101? We use the theory of what is known as Common Sense.
Alex - All I can figure is their probation and perhaps a suspended sentence had something to do with it. There are people with much higher bonds for less if you look through the list. There are people with $9k and $10k bonds that have nothing to do with drugs, much less Schedule II drugs. The guy who sold didn’t have a probation violation.
I obviously can’t explain it but I don’t think it would matter if their bond was $200…no one in the family can afford to bail them out…especially since most of the family is behind bars. LOL
I googled Jose and his supposed foreclosure but all I found was a bunch of blog entries similar to this so I don’t know if it is fact or fiction.
There’s a guy with a $3004 bond for shoplifting! LOL There’s another guy with a bond of over $9000 for failure to appear! WOW
JB- I agree about no one having the money to pay the bond but it still seems strange to me.
Lana - I found it on every blog but nothing on WESH or WFTV, etc. Still looking. Not sure any of them would think it was news worthy! LOL
.2010 CA 003354 MF U.S. BANK, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION VS BAEZ, JOSE
File Date 05/12/2010 Case Status OPEN Case Status Date 05/12/2010
Ticket Number Case Disposition UNDISPOSED Case Disposition Date
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
U.S. BANK, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION LASALLE BANK N.A.
PLAINTIFF
STATE OF FLORIDA DEFENDANT QUASCHNICK, PHILLIP P (850)414-xxxx
KISSIMMEE BAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, INC. DEFENDANT KING, M. F (407)841-xxxx
OTHER UNKNOWN PERSONS CLAIMING BY, DEFENDANT
BAEZ, JOSE DEFENDANT DUQUE, CINDY G (407)855-xxxx
BAEZ, LORENA DEFENDANT DUQUE, CINDY G (407)855-xxxx
UNKNOWN TENANT I DEFENDANT
UNKNOWN TENANT II DEFENDANT
Financial Entries
Receipt # Date Received From Amount Paid
126392 05/12/2010 BUTLER & HOSCH, P.A. 1,988.50
Payment
CHECK 1,908.50
CHECK 80.00
Fee
FILING FEE 1,910.00
HOLDING/DEPOSIT 18.50
SERVICE CHARGE 60.00
Docket Entries
Date Text
07/21/2010 COPY OF LETTER FROM ATTORNEY IN RE: NOA
07/21/2010 CERTIFICATE OF MAILING
07/21/2010 NOTICE OF ACTION ANSWER BY: 9/7/10
07/19/2010 STATE OF FLORIDA’S NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
07/19/2010 ANSWER OF STATE OF FLORIDA
07/15/2010 INSTRUCTIONS TO THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT
07/15/2010 CONSTRUCTIVE SERVICE AFFIDAVIT OF DILIGENT SEARCH AND INQUIRY RE: INDIVIDUALS, KNOWN & UNKNOWN
07/09/2010 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE JOSE BAEZ AND LORENA BAEZ
07/09/2010 DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS COMPLAINT (JOSE BAEZ AND LORENA BAEZ)
06/23/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, UNSERVED FOR UNKNOWN TENANT I (DEFENDANT);
06/23/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, UNSERVED FOR UNKNOWN TENANT II (DEFENDANT);
06/04/2010 ANSWER FROM KISSIMMEE BAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, INC.
06/02/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, CORPORATE SERVED ON 5/19/2010 FOR STATE OF FLORIDA (DEFENDANT);
05/27/2010 SUMMONS RETURNED, CORPORATE SERVED ON 5/18/2010 FOR KISSIMMEE BAY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, INC. (DEFENDANT);
05/12/2010 EXHIBIT B
05/12/2010 EXHIBIT A
05/12/2010 CIVIL OVERPAYMENT OVER $5 Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010
05/12/2010 CIRCUIT CIVIL FILING FEE ADDTL DEFENDANTS Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010
05/12/2010 CIVIL COVER SHEET
05/12/2010 LIS PENDENS (IMG)
05/12/2010 MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE COMPLAINT
05/12/2010 SUMMONS Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010
05/12/2010 MTG FORECLOSURE $250,001 OR MORE Receipt: 126392 Date: 05/12/2010
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Does Baez have a wife by the name of Lorena?
Lana - I think people may have been counting their chickens before they hatch. This sure looks like it is about Bozo. It is the best evidence I could find Lana….
“her name is lorena mercedes velasquez garcia now lorena baez …”
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Yup, I think her name is Lorena Baez. By golly, I think we have a winner! Or in Bozo’s case…a big fat LOSER! LOL
Because Todd Black was using a cell number that belonged to Jose’s wife and the phone belonged to Lorena Baez.
I just did a quick google search and it appears Lorena is the wife of Jose. She is from Columbia and has one of those really long multiple names that she eventually shortened.
It could be that maybe Geralto could possibly become the ghostwriter of the Boez book down the line.
lorena mercedes velasquez garcia now lorena baez is her name. LOL Their house IS in foreclosure! I noticed the defendant filed a motion to dismiss the foreclosure! Good ole’ Bozo, filing the motions left and right! LMAO
You guys are Sooooooooo Good! Bravo! You guys could teach Boez’ investigator a thing or two about timely manner. LOL!
JB- Have you seen Baez’s website?
baezlawfirm.com Under “Success Stories” is says
HIGH PROFILE MURDER CASE
read more
TAKING ON THE MAYOR
read more
MOTHER ACCUSED OF KIDNAPPING
read more
STATE TROOPER CLEARED
read more
But when you try to read more it just shows the home page!
The next Motion to Dismiss should be for his own self. What a Maroon! Got some form of paper fetish.
Alex - ROFLMAO - yeah, when Bozo first took the case I went to his website….and couldn’t get ANYWHERE! It doesn’t show any info….the links don’t work! LMAO Nice to know in over two years he still hasn’t fixed it….or could it be there really is no info TO read! ROFLMAO
I think Simon even did an article about it once if I remember correctly. Bozo’s site doesn’t work any better than Bozo does as an atty! LMAO
Is Baez getting paid JAC wages, if so he needs all the hours he can get to make the mortgage payment! What better way than to file motion after motion!
LadyDay - No kidding! He files all these motions but from the looks of it, most aren’t filed correctly and don’t site the correct legal statutes. He just makes a fool of himself over and over.
Alex - good point - Bozo is probably stalling to try to save his house! LOL All those movie and book deals have probably fallen through….can’t sell anymore pics…the Ants can’t pay him because they refuse to work and their home is in foreclosure…the skank has nothing left to sell (well, that anyone wants to buy! LMAO)…poor, poor Bozo…the gravy train just ran off a cliff! LMAO
Alex - by the way, how is your mom? And how are YOU? Bought that helmet or suit of armor yet? LOL
What a fun day in here today! Makes the time pass faster while cooking mass amounts of (yum!!)homemade cream puffs . Ill cyber pass them around
when they are cooled off and then filled.
Is that it on his site? I have less on my space but it is still more interesting than his. LOL! I usually dont go into uncharted, murky waters(his site, anythinng to do w/ants). He should have taken his money and then said Bye, Cant help you no more to Casey. She should have taken public defender. I see mistrial and all sorts of things in the future.
They have no bond period. They cant be bailed even if someone had the $500 each. There is no bond because they broke their probation. I f you google probation you will see that they will serve that time plus the time for the recent cahrges. H and L both had 18 month probations. jmo bbl
LadyDay - yes, Bozo’s site is a hoot…it claims all these case victories, tells you to click to read more and then goes nowhere….back to the home screen. It is absolutely POINTLESS and makes you wonder what actual case experience he truly has….I know if I was facing the death penalty I wouldn’t want a 8 times failed bar exam ex-online bikini salesman who can’t make his house payments to defend me! ROFLMAO But hey, Casey isn’t known for her smarts….she’s known for her “hot body”! ROFLMAO
Oops, forgot to add that Jail time in county is only for 1 year offenses I believe so they are going to the big house. jmo
TOBIAS - about time you got here! LOL - Thanks for explaining. I figured they were on probation with suspended sentences and that probation would be revoked and they’d start serving time for the prior crimes as well as face the new charges. They are TOAST! LOL
Tobias - can always count on you! LOL Thanks for all the facts! U Da’ WOman!
Well, I guess H and L can scout the prison out for T and M who will most assuredly be joining them shortly!
Tobias - when are all the court dates again? They’ve changed so many times I’ve lost track?
Misty? Ron? Tommy?
JB, Unfortunately they are, I see them setting in prison for the 18 months plus about 18 more.jmo
Tommy is sentenced on the 6 of August. Ron has a court date for 20 of August, Misty has plea on the 13 of August and court date on 23 if she goes to trial, Donna sentenced on the 6 of September. jmo
Tobias - you’re amazing…you always have the facts! I think I have Alzheimers or something because I can’t remember anything anymore! UGH! If I don’t write it down or use the info daily, I lose it! I hate getting old! LOL
JB, I went to the site armed with my hip waders, shark repellant and floaties and you are right, NOTHING is there except a main page! No news, no attorney profile page, zip, nada. That tells me a lot about this dude; zip, nada, nothing. LOL!
Ok, Ive stayed long enough at the fair here today, but you guys and gals keep up the great work! Be back later on.
Tommy and Lindsys hearing on divorce is 30 of July. Wonder if this will be the last time for them and it will be final? I would guess Yes.jmo
And I promise I’m writing those dates down so I don’t have to pester you again for them! LOL
LadyDay - take care - I’m out of here too! I’ve posted WAY too much today. I’m becoming a blog hog! LOL I’ve just enjoyed all the jabs at Bozo today. And yes, his website is beyond pathetic. Perhaps he should stay off facebook and spend a little time working on his website! LOL
JB- I’m better, Dr. O put mom on an Exelon Patch for onset of Alzheimers. She isa bit nausea but not violent like the Ativan made her in the hospital. She pulled off her oxygen, pulled out her IV, including the blood transfusion, kicked the Physical Therapist in his chest, she was aiming for a lower part of his body but he is short. She is still bleeding from her colon but doesn’t want surgery! So we deal with her on a minute to minute basis. Today she is fine but no one is here but me & her and the cats. My sister stopped by along with a friend to play cards with her but mom said get them out of here. So I did and she’s fine. Thank you for asking!!!!
Tobias - will be interesting to see if Lindsey goes through with it but my gut says YES SHE WILL. I hope she rises above all of this and gets her act together for the kids. Rumors are she’s turned into a wild child but I hope that passes and she grows up and makes her kids her NUMBER ONE priority!
Gotta run! Bye ALEX! Bye LANA! Bye LADYDAY! Bye TOBIAS! I wish you’d stopped by earlier! Don’t see you much anymore and I miss ya!
Alex - I hope the new meds help her. I swear I’m getting Alzheimers! I can’t remember anything these days! And I’m only 45 (well, almost 45). I feel scatter brained most of the time and I HATE that!
I’ll keep her and you in my prayers! HUGS!
I wonder why AS and TN would go against orders to stay out of the area? It isnt like they would find a live Haleigh. I bet LE wanted to know also, I am surprised they werent arrested for interfering in an investigation? I too believe something was found at that area, I have a feeling it was the blanket. No way could they make this a homicide without some evidence. I read somewhere it is harder to call a child a likely homicide because they dont have a paper trail like adults. jmo
Thanks JB !
Bye JB, get more sleep it keeps the memory going.lol
I googled a lot of sites about the laws on the 7 year rules to consider some one dead in court. I said children are not under those adulet rules. bbl with the results. jmo
Read the second paragraph here:
http://www.wftv.com/news/24405478/detail.html
“Putnam County deputies say the two went to a drug house where Hank bought cocaine. He pleaded no contest and is awaiting sentencing.”
Has anyone heard that Hank has already pled out on the cocaine charges?
Lisa and Misty would not be in the same prison. Under Florida law even if the judge does not sentence Misty as a YO, the DOC register her as a YO. Misty will be in a prison for YO’s and do all the things that a YO would have to do.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 27th, 2010 at 12:46 pm methinks- in the Palaka Daily they list seven others who were arrested in the sting & First coast says there were 15 total. The odd thing is the bail amounts. The Croslins bail is much higher!
Oh thanks alex, I didn’t know that… WOW WTH?
In regards to the VOP, totally up to the judge. He/she can reinstate the probation, extend the probation, drop the probation, send them to prison. No set rule, rhyme, or reason to how they handle VOP’s, especially in Putnam.
If what the LE said in that video is true, I don’t see how they can charge Lisa for buying Coke anyway. He said she did not get out of the car, did not go into the house, and she obviously did not have drugs on her when they pulled the car over.
WhyLie- Are the jails/prisons overcrowded in Florida?
We should find out soon enough wether they will be going to prison. It really doesnt matter pertaining to Haleigh, both were at the Hospital that night. They just happen to be relatives of Misty and Tommy. They will get their day in court just like the others who were caught in the sting, only they have the probation to deal with also. jmo
Alex, yes they are. In fact the Putnam jail is so overcrowded that it risks being taken over by the Feds. Putnam has the lowest bonds in the state in order to get criminals in and out quickly, because of the overcrowding, and they have a backlog of warrants that they can’t serve because of the overcrowded conditions.
WhyLie- ty!
Lana if I was Timmy, I’d change my last name.
Lana- it just seems to me that the Croslins made it to the National Media because their name is Croslin, the others in the drug sting just made local news!
I realize that, but should Timmy change his name and then get arrested how long before someone puts 2 and 2 together and puts him with his new name in the news?
JB said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Alex - good point - Bozo is probably stalling to try to save his house! LOL All those movie and book deals have probably fallen through….can’t sell anymore pics…the Ants can’t pay him because they refuse to work and their home is in foreclosure…the skank has nothing left to sell (well, that anyone wants to buy! LMAO)…poor, poor Bozo…the gravy train just ran off a cliff! LMAO
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sounds like KARMA
To me it is like no matter where you go, there you are. You can’t escape yourself. It is not like he would be in a witness protection plan with a newly printed birth certificate, ID and a new back story. He is just unfortunate enough to be related to a bunch of jailbirds.
Was just reading the comments from earlier today. While I’m not a believer that Haleigh was snatched by related family and stashed ‘to be safe’, what was being said about hills of KY, clannish, ect made me go back and reread about a case in my state last year. In some cases no such extreme things need be in the scenerio.
There was a boy child age 5 whose mother poofed with him to keep child from his father. It took almost 2 years but they did find the child was was now 7. He had been at his grandmother’s home the whole time. Grandmother’s house had been searched by consent several times in the early part of the case.
This child was stashed the whole time roughly 3 miles from where his father lived. Mom and child had a hideaway about 5×12 in the grandmother’s home. Finally with a search warrant LE barged in and searched with suspecting such a place existed and child was found.
It was little things I think that finally gave LE enough to turn the house inside out so to say. Watched over 2 years occassional odd purchases at grocery store, on credit cards blah blah. Child never went to school, never outside, never changed his appearnace, never received medical care or anything of such nature…he just stayed in the house with window shades always closed (so nobody could see in). I remember LE in the news after child found. Little boy dashed around outside in the sunlight absorbing mother nature and delighting in being outdoors. Poor tyke, shut away from the world for two years.
But in that case, the child was always believed to be with the mother, they just could not find the mother/child (they were hid in grandmother’s hideaway if anyone came near and neither ever left the home).
tobias said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I wonder why AS and TN would go against orders to stay out of the area? It isnt like they would find a live Haleigh. I bet LE wanted to know also, I am surprised they werent arrested for interfering in an investigation? I too believe something was found at that area, I have a feeling it was the blanket. No way could they make this a homicide without some evidence. I read somewhere it is harder to call a child a likely homicide because they dont have a paper trail like adults. jmo
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Who said they had orders to stay out of that area? LE wasn’t there and it’s a public place.
That comment about skank having nothing left to sell that anyone wants to buy turns my stomach. I must have my mind in the gutter. Maybe I should call it a day.
just-saying, I remember that case. I felt sorry for the child, not being about to go out to play and act like a child should act.
The case of the little boy made me think of the book “Flowers in the Attic”.
I understand what you are saying but if Timmy changed his name and moved somewhere that they are not known, I think they have a chance of not being put under a microscope. Right now if he’s in the area where something is going down, they may look at him because his name is Croslin, not because they believe he did anything wrong!
Wasn’t that an incest case (Flowers in the Attic)?
Maybe he should stay where he is and live under a microscope so when he gets the urge to get drunk and/or buy drugs he will think twice about what he is doing.
Unless the local LE watches NG and JVM they probably don’t even think much about the name Croslin. That is unless they were the one or two that were present when he and Chelsea were brought in for quesitoning by the cops from Florida.
Now if you are the judge in Putnam County you are probably sick of hearing Croslin.
There are two major facts regarding the tragic cases of HaLeigh and Caylee and their families that I can not reconcile the differences… Most talk of the ignorance of the Cummings/Croslins/Sheffields and let me be the first to raise my hand for being guilty of pointing out the generational dysfunction of all involved with HaLeigh, and then we have the Anthonys that are educated (obviously not some one we can relate to but still “the middle class”) and employed as a nurse and LE during the years. The Anthony’s hold a national media travesty under the guise of a memorial for Caylee, yet Cindy, in addition to her many other lies in court re: the admittance of the 911 tapes, states she still believes Caylee is alive. So the memorial was no more than another media blitz for this sick family? In the other case, HaLeigh’s family has been told by LE they can either have a memorial or funeral because they (LE) has declared this a homicide investigation, yet HaLeigh’s family declines to proceed in that manner or capitalize on a “national media” memorial fiasco. Subtle actions, however I do think it speaks volumes about the true intent of these families, of how the choose to respect their “little one lost”.
Sociologically, we have talked of how hard it is to get disability in the state of Florida. It can take years. Well, Cindy Anthony is on disability leave due to depression and her payments kicked in very quickly.. is that because of the clout Cindy has with the media or was she just determined to be a special case? HC on the other hand has many physical disabilities due to being hit by a drunk driver, yet he can not get any disability until he hires an attorney?? Same state, same guidelines… why is one family treated so differently than the other? I live on the west coast, in my state, it does not take an attorney to receive disability benefits based on physical injuries, it requires documentation from a physician, and perhaps a second opinion. Mental disability i.e. Cindy Anthony requires a state investigation and could take years..
I guess my point is it appears the difference in the way these two families are treated by media, LE and state agencies are miles apart. Why? Because one is considered white trailer trash, and the other an unfortunate middle class family??
jnet I live in California and if you worked and paid into SDI, which most people do, there is not the long wait as there is for SSA or SSI disability. Her being a nurse would know exactly what would be needed on those forms so I don’t think she got any special treatment there. Now her lies are a different story. The state can’t accuse her of making a false report on the 911 tape because that would be the state saying Cindy lied about smelling a dead body in the car. Since the state beleives that to be true no charge could be made. Now her lying on the stand is another matter. But again it is rare for a prosecutor to charge perjury they usually just impeach the person with a previous statement. There would really be overcrowding if they put everyone in jail who lied on the stand!
I think the Anthonys have gotten far harsher media coverage then the Sheffields & Cummings Families. But now the Croslins they take the prize for garnering publicity much like Casey!
There is only one prison in Florida for females, so if LC ends up getting state time (prison), she and Misty will be at the same facility. Also, min/man is day for day with no 85% or early release of any kind, so Misty’s sentence will be at least 15 real years.
Tobie (Girl)- Is that true even if there is overcrowding?
No, Alex, I understand why the prosecution wants/needs Cindy’s truth/admission about the smell of a strong odor or dead body in the car on the 911 tapes, I was talking about all the other stories she contradicted herself on the stand in what she testified vs what she had previously stated in the police/FBI/depositions….. if she were in Putnam County she would probably be held on 1M bail… the LE there doesn’t seem too concerned with over crowding in the jails or putting obscenely high bonds on petty ignorant small time hydro sellers. Just my opinion.
I will probably never understand why the Anthony’s have not been charged with Obstruction of Justice and perjury.
No more than I understand why Cindy can (nurse or not) get disability benefits for a “mental” ailment vs. HC and his broken back/legs (if what he has said is true). Again just my thoughts.
Tobie (Girl) said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
There is only one prison in Florida for females, so if LC ends up getting state time (prison), she and Misty will be at the same facility. Also, min/man is day for day with no 85% or early release of any kind, so Misty’s sentence will be at least 15 real years.
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Not sure where you got your info but it is not accurate. There are several places for female prisoners in Florida, and the YO’s are not usually in with older prisoners, for safety reasons.
The DOC registers them as YO and they are put in the YO programs, away from older adults.
vaquera said,in July 27th, 2010 at 6:03 pm tobias said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I wonder why AS and TN would go against orders to stay out of the area? It isnt like they would find a live Haleigh. I bet LE wanted to know also, I am surprised they werent arrested for interfering in an investigation? I too believe something was found at that area, I have a feeling it was the blanket. No way could they make this a homicide without some evidence. I read somewhere it is harder to call a child a likely homicide because they dont have a paper trail like adults. jmo
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Who said they had orders to stay out of that area? LE wasn’t there and it’s a public place.
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The article I read stated they were there before LE and the searchers arrived and were told to leave…
Matt Saffer also reported that LE informed GGMS in person that she was not to go down to the search site… He also mentioned in his report LE did not want her contaminating evidence..
And, who knows where TN is living..TN was asking questions about 116 Tyler Street and if it was available according to Lisa Croslin…JMO
HC was an Auto accident, that is a third party liability and most everywhere due to the responsibility of that 3rd party, every effort must be made to collect from them first. I feel bad for Hank, and I don’t say this to be mean, but I feel he is functionally illiterate. He is unable to fill out and file the forms against the third party and it’s apparent he doesn’t have funds to help him. Here in Northern California they have LSNC, which helps poor & illiterate people file for benefits. You would still need to make an appointment and get to their office! Cindy on the other hand has a condition is not considered 3rd party liability though I’m sure it was caused by Casey.
So it’s really apples & oranges as to their disability claims.
Tobie (Girl) said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
There is only one prison in Florida for females
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Not sure what makes you think that, but there are 8 prisons for females in Florida:
Gadsden Correction Facility, Quincy, FL
Hillsborough Correction Institution, Riverview, FL
Hernando Correctional Institution, Brooksville, FL
Lowell Correctional Institution, Ocala, FL *
Broward Correctional Institution, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Homestead Correctional Institution, Florida City, FL
Levy Forestry Camp - Work Camp, Bronson, FL
Lowell CI Boot Camp (Youth) - Lowell, FL
LOL, WhyLie, see you were wondering about the info regarding only 1 female prison in FL, also.
JB said,in July 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm Tobias - you’re amazing…you always have the facts! I think I have Alzheimers or something because I can’t remember anything anymore! UGH! If I don’t write it down or use the info daily, I lose it! I hate getting old! LOL
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JB,I have memory problems too,Its called CRS!
LoL Can’t remember sh&$!
LadySadie said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
LOL, WhyLie, see you were wondering about the info regarding only 1 female prison in FL, also.
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Uh Huh! LOL.
Ok, so TC tells LE about Shell Harbor and then takes them to the dock at around 5-6 on Monday night. The search starts on Tuesday morning.
Hardy meets with the family sometime Tuesday morning and tells them about the search.
So when did LE tell AS and TN not to go down there? Did AS and TN go down there during the search like they did at the Mondex search?
Why wasn’t Crystal and Marie down there as well since they were in Putnam? Why wasn’t the whole blasted family down there?
Where/when did Lisa say TN was asking about Tyler? I would guess TN is still living in the same place she’s been living in.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=37384@wtev.web.entriq.net&navCaId=5
The source for Ann sykes told not to go to search site!
I think Cindy got on disability faster because she already had a medical plan, then she probably got on FL. equivalent to COBRA while filing for disability. Seems to me though that she was on some type of medication for anxiety(?)prior because LE found RX bottles in her med. cabinet.
What I dont understand about her way of testifying is the fact she did smell something, so why would she allude that she was saying something just to get the police out faster? There is a video that exists from the begining where she states about knowing what she said in the 911 calls ‘I made them’ and then sort of blew it off, so she mis spoke yet again. I think perjury is in their very near future. I dont think the word immunity is going to hold fast once this show kicks into high gear.
As for AS and TN. I sometimes wonder if either of them have or had a police scanner. Seems they got to certains areas either before or around the same time LE got there. Maybe they have a friendly informant?
WhyLie, iirc AS was informed of the upcoming search on Monday. Crystal was informed on Monday as well there was going to be a search at Shell Harbour.It was on Monday night at approx 9pm when Steve Browns son left the post on this message board that his dad had solved the case and pay attention to the news on Tuesday. AS and TN went to Shell Harbour and searched and according to the article she was warned not to do that. AS again went to the search site on Tuesday and they told her to leave.
lfj, LE met with TC Monday around 5 for a couple of hours. TC then took them to Shell Harbor, with Werter and Brown. So LE didn’t know about Shell Harbor until Monday evening, so there is no way they could have told any family member about it prior to that.
The search started Tuesday morning. Hardy met with the family sometime Tuesday morning.
And we all have G Hollars to thank for that since she outted AS on NG. She said she called AS and told her about the Dock. AS had to confess otherwise GHollars would again out her, how would that look? Its all on video. jmo
I dont believe we would have ever known they were there searching, but G Hollars knew it because she had talked with them. I have a theory that they were the people in the silver van. jmo
WhyLie I know that. G.Hollar said Misty told her about Tommy and Joe tying the rope and cinder blocks to Haleigh. G. Hollar said that Misty asked her to call AS and let her know what was going on (paraphrasing) Misty called G.Hollar 15 min after Tommy on Sunday and then again on Monday. The info that Matt Saffer was on the phone with GGSykes when he heard the detectives telling her not to go down to the area due to contamination. I am not good at links but it is from http://www.actionnewsJax.com/media center/local.aspx?videoId=37384@wtev.web.entriq.net&navcatId=5. I hope posted this correctly.
Yes Tobias,It is!
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The only problem for GGM Sykes and her initial version of going to the search scene was the presence of Flo Hollars, who was also a guest to the show. Upon hearing GGM’s statement above, Granny Flo IMMEDIATELY responded with:
“I was the one who told you that”
Having been “outed” by Granny Flo as to having specific knowledge of the search and it’s reasons, GGM Sykes was forced to reveal what she did not mention a word of in her first version of events!
And if Tommy or Mist made that call to GHollars LE listened in on it, they knew. Do you really think they wait to listen to the calls later after they are taped? lol LE knew about that area on Sunday at the same time it was spoken. jmo
Loooking,I understood that Matt was in AS home when he told her that,You are probably correct but thats what I thought,lol
Thats right Tobias, because G.Hollar and Chelsea got into it on NG. G.Hollar outted Chelsea about telling her to tell LE to search that location @ Shell Harbour and Chelsea said no I said on 309.Le cannot just go search all of 309.They have to have a specific area to grid off.
Chelsea also said on NG that night that she knew for a fact that loose pills were lying around the rtrailer and you can hear AS say no in the background.
Actually the chief investigator was at her home telling her this while she was on the phone with Matt Shaffer?? someone correct me if I am wrong,lol
tobias said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:23 pm I dont believe we would have ever known they were there searching, but G Hollars knew it because she had talked with them. I have a theory that they were the people in the silver van. jmo
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Yep,makes you wonder!
I still think there was something that Misty said in her conversations to G.Hollar that peaked LEs interest. Misty forgets about being recorded when she gets excited.jmo
You are correct CathyJo.
WOW,Correct again,lol Thank You Looking!
Question is why would someone be at a possible crime scene? It isnt like they were expecting to find a live Haleigh. That I could understand, but they were told by G Hollars that she was killed there. They knew from all the other searches that they could ruin evidence by doing searches. Yet they risked contaminating evidence WHY? JMO
looking for Justice said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm WhyLie I know that. G.Hollar said Misty told her about Tommy and Joe tying the rope and cinder blocks to Haleigh. G. Hollar said that Misty asked her to call AS and let her know what was going on (paraphrasing) Misty called G.Hollar 15 min after Tommy on Sunday and then again on Monday. The info that Matt Saffer was on the phone with GGSykes when he heard the detectives telling her not to go down to the area due to contamination. I am not good at links but it is from http://www.actionnewsJax.com/media center/local.aspx?videoId=37384@wtev.web.entriq.net&navcatId=5. I hope posted this correctly.
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Gee wizz Looking,I did not see this when I posted,dunno why I didn’t? sorry!
Why Tobias,do you even have to ask,lol
jmo,better to take that chance than your son and grandson going to prison,jmo though!
Tobias that is a very good question. They could be planting or removing evidence. I do think Misty needed AS and TN to know this info and that Tommy was telling the Joe story and this way it could be relayed back to Ron. Just my theory. Everyone on the same page so to speak.
I dont have to ask, just wondering if anyone else could come up with a different reason besides the most obvious one. lol jmo
If they protected Haleigh nearly as much as they do Ron,we would all know the truth by now!
All I can say this is very suspicious behavior.JMO
Right,I gotcha Tobias!!
It sure doesn’t look good does it Looking?
You are right CathyJo and that goes for both sides of Haleighs family. I do believe the answers are in Satsuma though. jmo
add it to the snitch in jail remark of AS,and the do you think she’ll talk by TN,case solved,lol jmo
No CathyJo it does not look good. I just WISH something would break so that little Haleigh can be found.
The person they are calling pops. That is TN boyfriend right?
I do too Looking,I really do!
And I believe there are immediate family members who know exactly what happened but are just selfish and unwilling to help Haleigh! jmo
Sad but true. I think some of it is guilt for alot of past issues. Look at the whole picture, another thing that I heard on the very first tape of Ron and TN was her saying she didnt love her more than him. Was she talking about Haleigh or Rons sister Crystal? It just struck me as odd, until I found out later that she had left Ron at 3 with GGS.
Do we know if she raised Crystal too? Or did she stay with TN? JMO
yes,it is Looking,Papa Jeff Hankins??
did you see the place TN and bf lived in when Haleigh went missing? beautiful place,a far cry from where they live now!jmo
Tobias I thought AS took both Crystal and Ronald to raise. I could be wrong though.
Tobias,all I know is she dropped CS off at TN house when cs was 14,never saw her again fro 2 yrs!
I heard cs and TN were very close!
actually to my understanding,MG went to school and said she was going to home school cs,and then took her to tn!
Thats what I honed in on, she made references about RON living with her but not Crystal. Then in that tape TN says that strange sentence. Its like she is trying to make him fell better. Like when she says she is proud of him. I think she knows he has issues and always has. But thats just what I was picking up from the conversation. jmo
Yes CathyJo it is a beautiful place. It looked quite expensive. I wonder when they exactly moved from there. The eviction notice was this year in Feb. Tn gave Pomona Park as her current address in Feb 2009 when Haleigh disappeared.
I was talking about Rons sister Crystal, she would have been 5 when TN left them with GGS. But not sure if she left her daughter too. jmo
m2c said,in July 27th, 2010 at 1:18 pm Aligoo @ 12:54 - How would anyone really “know” that Haleigh was better off with them? I mean the kind of people who’d keep her against the law? Yes, R took drugs. So do half the people in that area as far as I can see. So does/did Haleigh’s mom. So this whole thing of kidnapping or keeping her because she’s supposedly better off is a pile of hooey imo.
Hooey that’s been deliberately spread around since nearly the beginning of this case and is still being heaped on by the bucketful. It could be true, but again, no proof. I like a little of that before condemning someone - or condemning a child to living life without her own family.
m2c, sorry I didn’t reply earlier, but my power cord broke & I had to get it fixed. I meant that whoever took Haleigh might have justified it in their minds by telling themselves that she would be better off. They may not have approved of the lifestyles of the parents, for example. I didn’t mean to imply that I thought they were justified in what they did. People who commit crimes often justify them in their own minds.
In Leesburg, Cummings had lived with his mother and Crystal Sheffield, a 14-year-old who came from Putnam County where she met the year-older Cummings.
Sheffield, who would be the mother of Haleigh and Ronald Jr., left school in the ninth grade to be home-schooled but never went any further.
Her mother, Marie Griffis, said her daughter was supposed to visit Cummings in Leesburg for a weekend but never came home. Mother and daughter were not often in touch for the next two years, and Griffis said she sometimes did not know where Sheffield was.
“When Crystal was with him, she didn’t have much contact with me,” Griffis said. “She never called me. When I called her, she didn’t return my calls.”
Sheffield, who now lives in Baker County on property beside her mother and stepfather, said drugs including pot and cocaine were part of the lifestyle she and Cummings shared while they were together.
She said Cummings only worked some and the two lived with his mother until they moved in with Sykes in Putnam before Haleigh was born.
“He just didn’t like my family,” Sheffield said. “He just kind of kept me away.”
Sheffield became pregnant with Haleigh at 17. She and Cummings never married but lived with Sykes until their son was born 18 months after Haleigh.
Are we talking about Crystal S. or Crystal Cummings? I am confused. I know Crystal S. moved in with Ron at 14, but i thought Crystal C was also raised by GGSykes, but perhaps TN came back and got her and left Ron with his grandparents. I am not sure. Do you remember if it was in the Dana Treen article or not?
Yes,true Looking!!!!!
Tobias,lol sorry…That always confuses me,lol
OH Ok I got confused there a minute.Thanks for the clarification.
Dana Treen snip:
Anger and a sense of remoteness had marked Cummings for years, said his grandmother Annette Sykes, who reared him and his sister until Sykes’ husband became debilitated by Alzheimer’s. Annette and Kirby Sykes had guardianship of the two children beginning when Ronald was 3. He moved out as his grandfather became increasingly ill and was back with his mother, Teresa Neves, in Sumter County by the time he was a young teenager.
It is ok CathyJo LOL!!
LoL,Looking,
If you’re around me,you’ll stay confused,
Thanks for the answer CathyJo. AS did raise both Ron and his sister Crystal Cummings.
we rarely see or hear about that Crystal,I forget she’s in the story!
LOL!!! You are awesome company CathyJo.
You’re welcome Looking,I always wondered about that statement TN made about not loving her more than she did Ron?
Lana said,in July 27th, 2010 at 5:45 pm I don’t think that would help much as Croslin is a very common name and in this day and age anyone can find out anything about anyone…
Timmy & Chelsea could change their last name to Nilsorc.
Yeah she stays pretty much behind the scenes.
If TN and AS were in on the “cover up” why would they show up at the search and cast more suspicion on themselves? Also if they were in on a cover up wouldn’t they also know where Haleigh is? If I was going to help in a cover up, I would want to know where they put the body. That would be my first condition in helping cover up a crime, especially my granddaughter or great granddaughter. AS and TN showing up at the river search makes me think they do not have a clue what happened to Haleigh, nor where she is at. They were concerned about their granddaughter and what could have happened to her, nor do I think them being there is out of the ordinary. Them not being there is what would make me suspicious. JMO
I am not sure what TN meant. Crystal Cummings also has a record.
Its just a feeling I have. GGS mentions Ron and Kirby being close. And when TN made that statement in the jail house tape thats what I got from it, she said you know I always loved you. And I know you thought I loved her more or something to that effect. I wished we had transcripts of it now. It always stuck with me. It was strange enough when she starts on about how he got Misty (witch) in jail when LE couldnt. jmo
Dana Treen Snip:
Sheffield became pregnant with Haleigh at 17. She and Cummings never married but lived with Sykes until their son was born 18 months after Haleigh.
Life with Cummings was difficult, Sheffield said. He was controlling and could be erratic, sometimes with guns.
“I’ve watched him put a gun in his mouth in front of me and Haleigh,” she said.
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sheesh,even cs and ron and Haleigh lived with her,The mh must have been his first home to himself,sheeeeesh
Robin, I have to agree with you on that.
Wonderful. Not only has this new Jules have my name, she is getting herself deleted with rude comments. Ugh. I guess I will change my name so I am not confused with the rudeness. I will have to decide on a new name that no one else will use. I would hate to have to go back to that other forum already with the fighting already started on here.
wish granted Tobias,look for the link when it posts,lol
Robin, AS and Tn went to Shell Harbour and searched the woods prior to the Search that began on tuesday after being warned not to go there. On Tuesday AS went up to Shell Harbour again and was told to leave. Misty had her G.Hollar call As amd tell them what was going on. I just feel that is strange behavior. I could see standing by and asking questions of LE that is normal, but what they did was suspicious.jmo
Robin, I tend to agree with you but I can see how it could be interpreted the other way. My first thought was that they got wind that the area might be searched for evidence of Haleigh and wild horses couldn’t keep them away from looking for something relating to their loved one. It could also be speculated that they had a sinister motive for getting there ahead of the search with the idea of finding and hiding evidence.
Robin,I just had a thing with it because they were told not too? and because AS didn’t tell TN was with her,and tried to keep it hidden till Gramma flo outed her! jmo lol
Even if people continue to be silly Jan and Simon, please keep the news coming and thank you for all your hard work.
fighting here? where? lol
CathyJo63 said,in July 27th, 2010 at 10:11 pm Dana Treen Snip:
Sheffield became pregnant with Haleigh at 17. She and Cummings never married but lived with Sykes until their son was born 18 months after Haleigh
They lived with Sykes UNTIL their sone was born. So where did they move to when Jr came along?
Change it to “JulestheGood”.
I agree with the original Jules.
Dru I am not sure where or if they moved. CS and RC split I believe when Jr. was about 6 weeks old iirc.
“NiceJules”
I can see it if they thought she was there alive, but they knew from the call that she was supposedly killed there. What parent would risk their sanity finding bones and god knows what else? tHEY ALSO KNEW FOR A FACT le WAS GOING TO SEARCH. JMO
I know it was not long after Cs gave birth to Jr.
That’s a nice one Aligoo. Thanks to both you and Looking. I’ll keep that one in mind.
Just to let you know CathyJo, I enjoy reading your posts. You always bring a smile to my face.
You are correct on that Tobias. They knew LE was going to search and the Chief Detective told her not to go down there because it could contaminate the scene.
Just seemed he always lived with AS and whomever was with him,moved in too!
I didn’t mean it as fact,just seems to be!
Perhaps it would be a good idea if you would look back and see what Jules was talking about. She wasn’t being rude, just missed the apology from JB for misunderstanding a statement I made. JB blasted me for a typo, not once but twice.
Tobia, are we sure that they were specifically told not to search there? I thought the story was that they heard that a search was scheduled and they went over early, before it was to start. When they were found in the area, THEN they were told to leave and not to participate in the search.
GOTTA HIT THE HAY. TALK TO YA ALL LATER. PRAY FOR A SOLUTION AND JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH.
Well, she managed to get her post deleted. I just don’t want people to think she is me if that’s okay dru.
Goodnight Tobias. I will sure pray!
Thank You Jules,LoL
I wish I brought one to my face,I have to buy aunt jemima syrup just to get someone to smile at me in the morning,LoL
Yes Aligoo,they did,scroll up to the link i posted on it,lol
You missed your calling CathyJo. You need your own show! lol
I don’t know for a fact that you are not her. I don’t know either of you. Furthermore, I could care less. It is just rude for anyone to assume something without reading the other posts.
Wise decision dru,someone impersonated whylie i think?? just yesterday IIRC?
NOT DRU,”JULES”
Shew,sorry Jules!
Wowzers. I am not assuming anything. I read the posts. Her’s was deleted. Am I wrong? Please stop that.
Aligoo, I hope you do not mind me answering your question. AS said on NG out of her own mouth that she and TN went there and searched all afternoon. Matt Saffer was on the phone with GGSykes and he heard the Chief detective tell her not to go there, but they did. Then on Tuesday AS went back up there and she was aked to leave. LE started asking the residents that lived there if they had seen a grey 1990s chevy van in the area recently. It makes me wonder why LE started asking this question about the van.
Oh believe me Jules,I am a show all by myself,lol
I am on now,and you’re in it,rofl j/k butI was gonna be a comedian but everybody just laughed at me!
Maybe it would be a good idea.
When you come out with your own blog CathyJo, I already know of a few who would join it.
Thats one thing that is a given, Flo did certainly out GGS. A great ‘gotcha’ moment on t.v. I thought the one person who was pretty stable was GGS, but I started to see the enabling part of what she had been doing and all the talk of Ronald never being on drugs. The whole fam damily has had issues just like Misty pointed out. If she really knows something, I hope she sings like a canary, no matter what her drug charge may bring or who she hurts in the end. It all has to stop.
You gals are too funny. Comic relief is good.LOL!!
LoL Jules,I may just do that,been thinking hard on it,Thank you!
LadyDay,AS said all good things about Ron and when he went to jail for drugs she told his bad side!sure makes ya wonder!
No, Looking, of course I don’t mind. Thank you!
Actually No Jules,I don’t,only when ya can’t see me!
Ronald would not be in the trouble he is in now if his family had not enabled him like they did.
I’ll use this for now. I see what is going on here. More nuts trying to ruin this blog.
Lady day I hope Misty sings too. If not this will more than likely all fall on her. I know she is scared and has every right to be. I do think she knows something though. I keep praying for her.
That wasn’t me CathyJo. I think your great.
me too Looking,I pray she sings!
I still got faith in her!
I wondered,most ppl don’t ask if ya like being the center of attention,lol
see you guys tomorrow,a storm is brewing and I want no part of it!!
I agree Ronald has been enabled and pampered by his Grandmother and mom when she came back into his life. I am not sure AS was telling a bad side of Ron, but giving an excuse as to why he may be the way he is due to his GF passing and he was very close to him.jmo
I hear ya. This is why Jan has to boot people off all the time. But some are entertaining! Some are just mildly annoying. Must be kids. lol
Me too. See you tomorrow CathyJo.
Aligoo said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Tobia, are we sure that they were specifically told not to search there? I thought the story was that they heard that a search was scheduled and they went over early, before it was to start. When they were found in the area, THEN they were told to leave and not to participate in the search
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Your story is the correct one.
I can’t make up my mind if I think Misty knows something significant or not. I do believe she was into drugs that night, but how much she was out of it, who knows. She may only know bits and pieces but not the details. Or she may have forgotten parts and not know what is real and what she dreamt up. Or she may know everything, clear as a bell.
If she knows only bits and pieces and is not sure what happened, then this could explain a lot of her inconsistencies. If she knows exactly what happened, then she is a full-out liar. But, which is it?
Thank you, Vaquera
Vaq, if iirc the search started in the am on Tuesday. AS said they searched all afternoon and they did not find anything. On Tuesday AS also said they would not tell her anything and asked her to leave. They could not have been searching once LE arrived in the am on Tuesday. It had to be on Monday prior to the search.jmo
Aligoo, I wish I knew. We hear that she had smoked pot, but AS said she was fine when she was there. I am not sure what to believe.
if AS was even there Looking,lol
CathyJo63 said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
did you see the place TN and bf lived in when Haleigh went missing? beautiful place,a far cry from where they live now!jmo
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Her residence was 105 Rita Lane in Ponoma Park before Haleigh went missing and she still resides there.
even so,pot ain’t gonna do that to ya,maybe the very 1st time you smoke it it’ll make ya crazy but you can still function,lol
I agree Misty sometimes says what she thinks people want her to say. She is manipulative and says what suits her purposes at the time. I don’t even think she realizes she is doing this. It may be a way of life for her and she has done this for years as a way of coping. I do know people like this. They think they are being honest but they are actually manipulating the situation.
Aligoo in the jail tapes where Misty is crying and said to her father Hank Sr. that TN and Ron were telling her things to say and they need to look at Ron. I wanted to believe her ,but because she has already told mistruths. Misty even says at one point that she is not even sure if that was Joe and that she never pointed at Tommy as being involved. We know she pointed to Tommy and Joe and that is why I am skeptic about the statements she made about Ron and TN. What is your thoughts?
With normal pot you can still function. But, it is possible to get pot tainted with something else and then anything can happen. You can get a very bad trip or be out of it and have confusing memories.
Misty was supposed to have smoked a joint with Tommy @ about 6pm.One hour before GGS alledgedly arrived to bring laundry.
All i know vaq,the eviction was b/c they
didn’t pay their rent and eviction proceedings were filed in Lake County on February 8, 2010.
until February of this year (2010), they lived at Courtney Villages Apartment Homes at 423 Highway 466, Lady Lake, FL.
Aligoo said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm With normal pot you can still function. But, it is possible to get pot tainted with something else and then anything can happen. You can get a very bad trip or be out of it and have confusing memories.
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Yea,thats true,lol
Vaq, TN did not live with her boyfriend in wildwood? I ask this because the eviction notice has her name on it as well as his as being evicted Feb 2010. What can you tell us about this?
just checking in,,, still holiday-ing in Jackson Hole with family…. I am sorry there is no news on little HaLeigh….. court dates are getting closer. With all of the Croslins in house except Timmy and Chelsea…hmmm, now what? I will stick with my theory that there is a DEFINITE reason that Lindsy is divorcing Tommy…. once again:
Misty knows
Tommy knows
Joe O. knows.
Misty knows
Tommy helped
Joe did it…
Even if Flo was TOTALLY OUT OF HER MIND… there is NO WAY she could have made a story up like that with all of the specifics. Something happened, THAT is why Lindsy is divorcing Tommy asap…
She is distancing herself and now her babysitters Hank and Lisa are unavailable to help her with the three children, who, by the way, I feel VERY sorry for..
Prayers for HaLeigh… we need to find this baby…
and as a side note… anyone wanted to look at home foreclosures and bankruptcies, sheriff auctions, etc.. go to foreclosure.com… put in zip code.. and it pretty much will walk you through it. IF you are looking for specific sheriff auctions, you can also do this..OR go on the county government website… orange county florida, for example.. type in sheriff auctions and dates and addresses should appear.
Hello to all of my friends… blessings for HaLeigh, Kyron, and all of the other missing children we need to be the voices for.
looking for Justice said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Vaq, if iirc the search started in the am on Tuesday. AS said they searched all afternoon and they did not find anything. On Tuesday AS also said they would not tell her anything and asked her to leave. They could not have been searching once LE arrived in the am on Tuesday. It had to be on Monday prior to the search.jmo
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right,they searched that monday afternoon before PCSO ever called them.
I do not mean to confuse but I thought it was Wildwood because it is close to there. oops sorry. CathyJo has the correct address.
Yes, I am very skeptical of anything Misty says. I think she has twisted the truth so much in her life that she actually confuses what is true with what she wants to be true. A person who is raised to be truthful their whole life has a built-in meter for truthfulness. It is very hard for a truthful person to lie. But if someone has never had that guidance, then they are just like a 2 year old. They say what they want to be true or what they want someone else to think is true.
Aligoo,I agree,its hard to put much faith in any of them for honest answers!
Vaq, G.Hollar called and told AS @ the request of Misty, she already knew that LE was going to be searching there because G.Hollar told her they were. I am not sure what the exact time was on Monday when AS was alerted by LE, but it was on Monday as well as Crystal was told on Monday evening. AS knew that LE would not be looking for an alive Haleigh so what exactly were they looking for that LE wouldn’t have found when they did their search?
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and now we have Hank and Lisa to figure out,shewww,lol
looking for Justice said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm Misty was supposed to have smoked a joint with Tommy @ about 6pm.One hour before GGS alledgedly arrived to bring laundry.
I suspect Misty had something more than pot after GGS allegedly came with the laundry and left. I don’t know if she left the home or if someone came to the home later, but I think she was into other drugs later, after the pot. Just my opinion; I have no real knowledge or proof.
Side note: For people in college in the 60’s, it was hard NOT to have some experience with pot, either personally or from people you knew. It was very commonplace.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
All i know vaq,the eviction was b/c they
didn’t pay their rent and eviction proceedings were filed in Lake County on February 8, 2010.
until February of this year (2010), they lived at Courtney Villages Apartment Homes at 423 Highway 466, Lady Lake, FL.
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She might have gone there on the weekends but she was no longer living there, she was in Putnam County. Crystal her daughter still lives up that way.
Right Aligoo,I have often wondered too if Misty was slipped something,ya know,a roofie IIRC?
But I still believe Misty was following a script,jmo though,lol
just saying Vaq,her name was on the lease,that means living there to me,lol
I remember the day we were all talking about her getting evicted,I assumed from Rita Lane at the time?
CathyJo, Hank and Lisa didn’t have anything - no responsibility, no money, no control, no dignity, no hope for the future. With nothing to do, they were bound to get in some kind of trouble. I almost wonder if they subconsciously did something to get themselves arrested. The conditions they have in jail might be better than the conditions they had outside of jail.
I thought too CathyJo that Her boyfriend had a property in Putnam that was being forclosed on iirc.
I have thought as well they may have done this on purpose. Perhaps this was their way of giving up. It is truely sad.
believe it or not Aligoo,I actually thought the same thing but then I wondered if maybe they were asked to do this? then again being addicted and everything in the world hitting them in the face daily,I know it’s got to be hard, and yes,It is too sad!!
looking for Justice said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Vaq, G.Hollar called and told AS @ the request of Misty, she already knew that LE was going to be searching there because G.Hollar told her they were. I am not sure what the exact time was on Monday when AS was alerted by LE, but it was on Monday as well as Crystal was told on Monday evening. AS knew that LE would not be looking for an alive Haleigh so what exactly were they looking for that LE wouldn’t have found when they did their search?
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Unless they had scuba gear they were just searching to see what they could see. I would have done the same thing.
People, not you, went on and on saying that side never searched but when they got a call from Mrs. Hollars and went searching some people think they were going to corrupt the search site which is ridiculous because the searchers were searching the bottom of the river.
I read that Looking,somewhere??
Too bad LE didn’t do drug testing on everyone around there that night - Ron, Misty, Tommy & even Jr. Would have been good information for LE to know, I’m sure! But they didn’t have probable cause at the time.
I wonder tho,why they threw it out the window,Hank must have just started b/c of this mess or was getting it for her,it seems odd that they made their way up to Ron as he was leaving court that day.and they do this?? I can’t picture Hank doing coke,these are poor people?? Coke is a rich mans drug!
Aligoo said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm With normal pot you can still function. But, it is possible to get pot tainted with something else and then anything can happen. You can get a very bad trip or be out of it and have confusing memories.
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I can agree with that from experience. As a teen my friends and I experimented with pot frequently and the reactions (highs) were not all the same, which made us wonder what the heck could be in this stuff? And in these days of time, the sellers are dishonest and mix stuff up just to make the money,so they can put basil in your bag for all you know. lol
Vaq, I realize just how difficult it must be for them, but iirc LE not only searched the water , but also the banks and the woods near the river.
CathyJo, I think Hank and Lisa have been in a downward spiral for quite some time. They relied on luck and their kids instead of taking control and acting like adults. It was going to catch up with them eventually. Yes, it is sad. But, it was a long time in the making.
Cathy, when your name is on an original lease, you have to be notified of evictions even if you haven’t lived there in a long time.
I believe Hank took pills,but not coke,unless like I said,he finally just snapped!
ITA Aligoo. I do think cases of missing children will soon change due to Caylee and Haleigh cases. It will just become part of protocol when a child goes missing.jmo
Or a lot worse than basil! Better the basil.
lol!
Lori,Thank You,I see now,lol
CathyJo it was crack cocaine. He spent 20.00 on it. The poor mans cocaine.
Looking,Oh well I can see that,I thought it was specifically stated as coke!
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
I agree with that idea, except I can’t figure out if it was the other way around, Tommy did it and Joe helped? JMO
I hope so, Looking. We have to make the safety of children the top priority. Too often, the “rights” of adults come ahead of protecting the kids. I’m all for “rights”, but we can’t allow children to become victimized.
who knows they didn’t do it on purpose because i wondered if Lisa wanted it,why he’d risk it knowing this is what happened to his kids,but if they did,why did he toss it?
Yes it was cheap crack. I think the children have said their mom was a “crackhead” but I didn’t realize Hank might do it too. Maybe he can’t afford pills anymore and just wanted a cheaper high. It’s really sad.
I’d say if Timmy hadn’t moved away the whole family would be in jail,so dang sad!!
I wonder what Tommy and Misty thought when they found out,sheeeeesh
I have to go to bed - my eyes are starting to fall out of my head. Good conversation, everyone!
(By the way, nobody got my little joke that Timmy & Chelsea should change their last name to Nilsorc so nobody will know who they are…ha ha)
Goodnite!
Michelle said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
I agree with that idea, except I can’t figure out if it was the other way around, Tommy did it and Joe helped? JMO
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I agree Michelle but maybe even Tommy did it and Joe wasn’t there. If he took the van, he was going to pick up Tommy who owned the van (or Lindsy actually). That seems strange to me that Tommy would be ok with Joe “stealing” the van that night.
ITA with you Aligoo. No matter what drug testing needs to become apart of the protocol right from the start. It is all in the best interest of the child.
right Lori,exactly!!
you can tell Lisa has done it forever and a day! bless her heart,she’s yonger than me and OMG,I was shocked at her age!
Amen Looking and Aligoo!
Sweet dreams Aligoo.
Regarding the search and the call from Granny Flo that Annette received… How do any of us know what was going through Annette and Teresa’s mind when they went down to the area that CHELSEA stated she told them to go? How do we know that they didn’t go down there fully expecting a LE search already to be underway? Then, upon arrival, seeing no activity, they didn’t just look around themselves? Are you all going to state that after having a missing loved one for almost a year and a half you wouldn’t look around yourself? I sure would! Especially not knowing if LE would even do anything or conduct a search. I would do anything in my power to find my loved one. It isn’t as if Annette and Teresa were down there diving in the St. John’s River. If they were, I’m sure they’d have been noticed. And quite frankly, I don’t think they are in the health to do so.
The following day is when LE called the meeting of the families to notify them of the case being called a “homicide”, and of the search of the river. That is when they learned the river was going to be searched, not on Monday.
Lori,when i lived in ky,me and my husband lived next door to his other sibs,and all i can say is,if you had to be somewhere you’d better have the only set of keys in your hand when you plan it,otherwise you ot dressed and ready for nothing,lol
Thanks J, and I agree that’s the way it happened.
Cathy, in the long run, Lisa serving a sort of long jail sentence may help her clean up. She doesn’t look like she’ll live long if she continues down the same road.
J,They didn’t go out and search at other times,and they were told not to go there??
If it were so innocent,why did AS try to hide it??
Hello J. I am sorry to disagree but it was on Monday they were told there was going to be a search. I will go back and find the article and tell you where you can find it, because I am not good at posting links.
Steve Browns son posted on here at about 9pm that his father had sloved the case and to watch the news on Tuesday. There was an article that stated crystal was notifies Monday evening about the search and to come to Putnam County on Tuesday. I am sure they notified AS and TN as well.
Thats the truth Lori,its the only thing that will save her now!
looking,the link is up above where I posted it,lol
That may be true of them too Cathy. Maybe JO had Tommy’s permission to take the van if they were really there for a gun or whatever.
CathyJo what time was the post where the link is to the search. I went all the way back to 10:15pm, but I did not see it. Thanks
as a matter of fact,searchers were searching when the wedding was being held!
I would have been searching instead of getting married,just saying
Joe looked guilty in the interview, he’s guilty. Even Gramma Hollers said he would walk out of the room when she had her Haleigh shirt on. I don’t think she would lie about her own grandson, but I could be wrong.
looking for Justice said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Hello J. I am sorry to disagree but it was on Monday they were told there was going to be a search. I will go back and find the article and tell you where you can find it, because I am not good at posting links.
Steve Browns son posted on here at about 9pm that his father had sloved the case and to watch the news on Tuesday. There was an article that stated crystal was notifies Monday evening about the search and to come to Putnam County on Tuesday. I am sure they notified AS and TN as well.
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I saw the post by Steve Brown’s son.
Even if Teresa and Annette were notified Monday night, they were out there on Monday afternoon, prior to being notified (if they were indeed notified Monday evening). So, IMO, there is nothing nefarious about them being out there. In my thinking, it is what any concerned family member would do after having a missing loved one for that length of time.
Someone else commented above that the family had never been out searching before. I’m fairly certain that is incorrect. Just because we do not hear about these things do not make it true. Remember the “red rose”? How do you think that was found? The family had found it, and that was why Misty had stated that area needed to be searched more thoroughly. If you read Steph Watt’s article about how that came to be, you’ll see the family had been out searching. Not everything needs to be sinister. Perhaps this family really does just want answers.
CathyJo63 said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:38 pm looking for Justice said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm WhyLie I know that. G.Hollar said Misty told her about Tommy and Joe tying the rope and cinder blocks to Haleigh. G. Hollar said that Misty asked her to call AS and let her know what was going on (paraphrasing) Misty called G.Hollar 15 min after Tommy on Sunday and then again on Monday. The info that Matt Saffer was on the phone with GGSykes when he heard the detectives telling her not to go down to the area due to contamination. I am not good at links but it is from http://www.actionnewsJax.com/media center/local.aspx?videoId=37384@wtev.web.entriq.net&navcatId=5. I hope posted this correctly.
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Here it is I think,lol
In all honesty families of the missing are told not to go out on the physical searches. It is more important for them to be at the command center giving as much info they can and making media appearances to put the info out to the public. I am sure it is very difficult and there is nothing I would not do to find my child, but I would not go and search physicaly in this situation. I would stand close by and let the experienced searchers of LE do their job. jmo
THURSDAY, MARCH 12
Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin get married at approximately 4:30 p.m. at Cummings’ grandmother’s house in Welaka after being turned down by their minister to wed at the church or to perform the ceremony. The couple were married in the backyard by a Notary with 70 friends and relatives attending. Misty and Ron leave Satsuma that evening to fly to New York.
Officers search a nine-mile stretch of South Putnam highway for leads.
Law enforcement removes screen/storm door from side entrance of mobile home.
Another thing that sticks out to me is Tommy saying to tell Misty not to tell a bunch of lies on him. Out of the three someone knows, I can’t believe they haven’t had someone confess it or gotten caught up in their own lies yet.
That may be true Michelle. It makes me wonder if Timmy was there too, and that’s the one thing they still aren’t telling the truth on. Tommy said Timmy failed some kind of LDT if what he said in that tape is true.
I would never be sinister and I am sure they want answers, but you have to let those experienced do their job. I can definitely relate being a mother and grandmother myself.jmo
And Hank said on the video,”I know Tommy did nothing” not a direct quote but similar,
Ya know Lori,it really bothers me as to Chelsea’s tattoo,no relation whatsoever to Haleigh??
Michelle, seeing how few tapes of Misty got released the last two times (I think one was ONLY Tommy), I think Misty might be telling the truth finally. There has to be a reason why they released all that on Tommy and the few Misty tapes were from March and earlier.
Right Looking,me too and especially if your actions could cause contamination,afterall you want the one who did it to pay,so leave it to the pro’s! jmo
I do wonder myself about the angel tattoo on Chelseas foot and it says Haleigh. I do think Tommy played a role and possibly Timmy too. Misty talks about and defends Timmy and she states that Timmy was Ronalds favorite in her family.jmo
CathyJo that is right. Leave it to the pros.jmo
I would wonder why they would keep Timmy out of it, unless he was the least involved. Maybe he witnessed something here and there and went home before they took Haleigh. But it still doesnt make sense as to why Misty would cover up for her brother and cousin if she knew something. I am sorry, but if my family was involved with murdering someone and the LE harrassed the mess out of me, I would tell. I would want the truth out. They are all covering up something. I wonder if they were all getting Haleigh high on drugs for kicks then she died, making it so noone can point the finger. If it were an accident well then they would say so, but drugs would be no accident. Unless like some keep saying over and over, Misty is innocent, maybe she is.
Lori said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am
That may be true Michelle. It makes me wonder if Timmy was there too, and that’s the one thing they still aren’t telling the truth on. Tommy said Timmy failed some kind of LDT if what he said in that tape is true.
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I wonder quite a bit about Timmy (and Chelsea).
If it’s true that Timmy failed a poly, that just adds on to my suspicions.
I also consider what Chelsea said about them being worried about being arrested if they step foot in FL. Gives one pause. Why do they fear arrest (other than their last name)?
Chelsea is the one that gave Annette the exact location of the dock to search. How exactly did she know? Was Timmy involved?
Me too Looking,and timmy said on the phone call it wasn’t safe for him to come back and Chelsea had been cleared? IIRC??
Michelle that could be very plausible. It has been put out that she could of died from an overdose.
You are absolutely correct CathyJo. They fear something about coming to Satsuma Florida.
That tattoo of Chelsea’s bugs me too.
J, Connie Sheffield posted here that the Cummings side searched many times, didn’t she? I think they all searched more than we are aware of though I kind of agree with Looking For Justice that they shouldn’t search. I think after so much time had passed without finding her, it was just too hard to stay away.
Did Timmy say that about Chelsea being cleared in one of the tapes?
I don’t think that’s the real OJ so everyone please ignore that troll.
Lori iirc he did. Chelsea was clear,but not Timmy.
Well everyone I am off to bed. CathyJo if you are in lurk mode Goodnight. God Bless you all.
Praying for Haleigh ,Zach and Kyron to be found.
Lori said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:22 am
That tattoo of Chelsea’s bugs me too.
J, Connie Sheffield posted here that the Cummings side searched many times, didn’t she? I think they all searched more than we are aware of though I kind of agree with Looking For Justice that they shouldn’t search. I think after so much time had passed without finding her, it was just too hard to stay away.
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That tat really creeps me out, also.
And yes, Connie Sheffield did state that the Cummings family did search often. I’m sure the media is not aware of every move that the families have made. And yes, I don’t think that is necessarily the “right” move, but after this long, I don’t think that I could stay away. In my mind, I am sure I’d know that may not be the right thing, but my heart would want to know immediately if my loved one was somewhere waiting for me and not want to leave them there for one more minute alone. I can absolutely understand the dilemma. Especially if you maybe do not think that LE is going to do anything.
What could have been so important to hide among them all that they couldn’t involve the cops as soon as she passed?
Was it that they were intoxicated,or theft involved,wanted for crimes,or something illegal when she passed. I would also think that if the husbands Timmy and Tommy knew something their wives would too. I would think after that the wives would have to tell.
(If Haleigh’s passing was an accident of some sort)
CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:03 am
as a matter of fact,searchers were searching when the wedding was being held!
I would have been searching instead of getting married,just saying
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CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Right Looking,me too and especially if your actions could cause contamination,afterall you want the one who did it to pay,so leave it to the pro’s! jmo
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You just contradicted yourself,LOL
WESH (Orlando) really got it wrong! The Croslins are not Haleigh’s grandparents.
Also, this is old news. They are a few days behind BNN in reporting this!
http://www.wesh.com/news/24412431/detail.html
WESH Orlando, FL
7-27-10
“Haleigh Cummings Grandparents Arrested on Drug Charges”
Aligoo said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:45 pm I have to go to bed - my eyes are starting to fall out of my head. Good conversation, everyone!
(By the way, nobody got my little joke that Timmy & Chelsea should change their last name to Nilsorc so nobody will know who they are…ha ha)
Goodnite!
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LOL I got it right away…Croslin spelled backwards
Hello all sorry i havent been back by.Still praying that some how HaLiegh is found.Lord its been so long!! I dont know who did what but i feel the should figure out how to drag Joe in,an pressure him also.Like i said before if he did harm her,it would be a shame if he walked free
.A precious little girl went missing an exposed a whole lot of stuff thats been going on in Putnam for yrs.Who was in office before Sherriff Hardy…An how long was he in office,because there sure has been a load drug involvment there.I would say for a long time…..I just Pray HaLieghs found,i dont think Misty knows anymore,the mass amount of pressure placed on her,an this is what we have,shes spilled the beans on everything /everyone even her brother on the breakends,admitted she sold some pills not all.Said the men where stoned outa their heads that night.An if she did whitness something tramatic in that trailor,it may take yrs for her mind to allow it to surface. ..still no body,no HaLiegh……An for those who love her thats a shame.Chilren dont just vanish with out a trace.Not one bone found…..
I was talking off,an on with Hank,an Lisa for a good while now.An the week of their arrest i had spoke to them a lot aence July 13 to the 20th.I know on the 20th that they had 35 dollars,on them.Their rent was paid for that week.
Hank was on his second stent of unemployment,but it had been cut off,a while back.No disability comming in,no job in sight,he couldnt afford to see a dr for his wreck injuries any more so that was a flop,an you all know the owner,or driver of the car had no coverage.In other words with out a job,or any money comming in no coping skills.They were bound to go back to jail because they couldnt afford fine payments.
They were really in low spirits.an we who know about drug users,even if they want to stop,stresses trigger the desire to mask their heartache/troubles through their crutch(drugs)if only for a little while.
The stigma,of their children being accused by many of being a child killer.an the hard ships of this storm that was raging just seem to be to much for them,or any one for that matter who has went through all that they have.
I like both the parents,because they admit their problems.I know i was talking to a couple with lost hope,on the 20th. When as i said before the stigma,an stresses just got to much for them to bare.Its life,an this was a raging storm they are going through.Should have sought Jesus insted of a 20 but some dont want to wait on his anwser. They just couldnt see a way out.
But my son an i were working on getting Hank employment,but i wasnt going to happen over night An they needed work now!!.I asked him next PO trip to get his POs fax number,so i could sent forms application.My son had done some set up for shows in Fla,CoCo beach,as well as Tampa.The week of the 4th,an weekend.we couldnt get him on that job -it was already preplanned,an they had a full crew- the owner was going to try an work Hank soon if PO would allow him to travel,if no where else he could do some of the shows in Fla just different co((great pay, motel&food)).Work for him was being worked on..He had already asked if he an Lisa could transfer here but that was a no go…
between the worries of survival,an their children,no family support,it just proved to much for them.wrestling over staying afloat,untill work came through .Now they can get this all behind them,an i truly pray that Their children werent the ones who harmed HaLiegh.I liked them they were plain spoken,an didnt try to hide the fact that they had problems.It is what it is…..Still awaiting on drug agents to bust the big suppliers that bring the dope into that county.
Therea truth lol if i was a betting woman i would bet i know who u are……..
Your sorces cant be from Putnam co,they have Hanks phone,an my calls an texes are on it.As well as the recipt for the 35 dollars im sure Hank still had in his pocket from where i wired him a small amount.That how i know how much they had on them!!!!Im not here to make a beliver out of you,an its not for you to question me.Im responding because Jaba,as well as my old friend AnnTex were on the earlier part of the thread,an Jaba had asked me some ouestions.
I have talked to them a long while,stopped for a couple of months,dure to illness.But i see past the sin,an see the people.Im by far no ones Judge,an if a kind word,or a few dollars would help someone,im willing to put that effort forth. If they had a weakness for a drug.Half amarica has the same problem.Some just dont get busted.I like them an thats that.Im blogging like everyone else.Its on one of my texes about the Job i was trying to get him,a recent one. LOL .But then again i dont have to explain myself to you…Go back an tell your sorces,it concerns me not what they think.I know the truth!!!! Its no game these are human beings…an if my hearts lead to help someone i will ,if only just a kind word.
Hank ,an Lisa..doesnt know me from the internet smart butt,they dont blog they know me by phone!!!!! Hmmmm would i be a challenge if i had my own blog to you,Sorry i dont come on enough anymore to do that kind of work,im not the least bit interested..I enjoy Jan,an Simons writtings…As well as one other .But i wont fall into a cunfusion of a argument..Its not proper to come on another site an argue.So thats all i have to say about that .Bye be sure an tell your sorces hi!!!
According to this document, LE didn’t even know about Shell Harbor until at least 7:00 Monday night, so doubtful that AS or TN were there prior to Tuesday morning.
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This is an excerpt from Werters press release.
On Sunday night, April 11, 2010, this attorney received a telephone call from Lindsey Croslin (Wife) that Tommy requested that we meet with Steven K. Brown, the private investigator involved for the past 10-11 months.
On Monday morning, 9:30 AM, April 12, 2010, Steven K. Brown, this attorney and Tommy met at the St Johns County Jail to discuss the polygraph and February 9, 2009.
Based on discussions that morning, this attorney made contact with FDLE, the State Attorney’s Office and Scott Bolin, Special Agent, FBI, and arranged an interview with Tommy at the State Attorney’s Office, Homicide Investigations Unit, St. Augustine, Florida, at approximately 5:00 PM.
As a result of the 2 plus hours interview with Jason Jolicoeiur, Special Agent, FDLE, Detective Peggy Cone, Putnam Course. Sheriff’s Office, under the guidance of this attorney and Steven K. Brown, Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida.
The commencement of the river search for Haleigh was at 10:00 Am Tuesday, April 13, 2010.
Good Morning To Everybody Here.
I agree with a lot of you about the whyfors of Chelsea getting that tattoo. These people hardly knew Haleigh but for a short period of time, they werent exactly blood relatives to Haleigh. JMO she talked too much about things that were a little contradictory and tried to jump on the money train. I have always found it strange that the only ones except for Ronald who kept getting with the media were the wives of these brothers and they just talked too much for two girls who werent around when all this happened; both wives insisted their husbands were sound alseep with them, either on pain meds or whatever when Haleigh was taken.
I might be forgetting something, but I could have sworn Hardy had just become Sheriff of Putnam not too long before all this had happened. Cannot be easy for him to come from another County and take over with such a high rate of drug activity going on, not to mention a high profile case. Then the questionability of some of his officers in this matter that got out to the public. In hindsight, I think they should have been nicer to Cobra, I think he was on the right track, but the man just found too much onfo on everybody else for it to be coinicidence.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
J,They didn’t go out and search at other times,and they were told not to go there??
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Not true. AS went right down to the Mondex as soon as she heard they were going to search there.
Michelle, I have heard it said when people take certain controlled substances, they have a higher perception of paranoia, doesnt matter of they are on stuff at the time, they are just paranoid of every little sound, every little thing, they think people are talking about them or are out to get them, etc. I think they just didnt want to be found out about their drug hobby, although everybody probaby knew about these people.
Yes i must have been Hard for S Hardy to come into a county with so much drug activity,an like you said the the baby girl going missing on top of everything else.He sure had/has his work cut out for him.
Its just amases me that nothing of Halieghs has been found.Didnt she always wear a gold neclace,wonder if its been seen sence her disappearence.I know i saw pics with her waring it.
If she really was tossed into the river,its all over,nothing may ever be found.An im sure its hard for love ones to believe it with out a body,or even one bone.But a child doesnt just go missing like this this long.Either shes dead,or tucked away somewhere far away.This has been a mess!!! An as we have it Tommy says he was there,an saw Joe with HaLiegh at the dock. Are we to believe him,with no body found hes been known to lie?? But then again what would we have expected to be found after all this time in the river anway,crocs,scavengers,current .Bless HaLiegh little heart if that happened,the one responsable needs to be sitting on death row …
I cant imagine my baby going missing,an all this time not knowing what happened….
LadyDay said,in July 28th, 2010 at 7:44 am Good Morning To Everybody Here.
I agree with a lot of you about the whyfors of Chelsea getting that tattoo. These people hardly knew Haleigh but for a short period of time
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Good Morning,
I was looking at Chelsea’s myspace right after HaLeigh went missing and I read an old (not sure of the date) message from someone consoling her about the loss of a baby. Chelsea said it was a beautiful baby girl and she named her Haleigh. She said she was sad that the baby wasn’t with her, but she is now an angel in heaven.
She didn’t us the capital L like Ronald said HaLeigh’s name was supposed to be, it was Haleigh and that is how it appears on her tatoo. She may have heard the name before Misty and Ronald hooked up or maybe she heard it from the same source that Crystal and Ronald got it. Perhaps it is a very popular name, I don’t know.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 27th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
J,They didn’t go out and search at other times,and they were told not to go there??
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We don’t know how much or how often they searched on their own.
Lana, I never heard that story before today about another baby named Haleigh, but the timing couldnt have been more off just the same. They dont have a pot to p in or a window to throw it out of, but they get these frivilous things right off the bat, generated a lot of media hoopla. I still cant figure out why CS father would say certain things like KY. is a safe state, just like MA. is a safe state, meaning cant be extradited. I think if the crime was serious enough, anybody could be extradited from any state.
I never heard anything about KY and MA being safe states so I am lost on that one.
Too bad I didn’t copy and safe the message about the baby but it just didn’t seem strange at the time because the message was prior to the last time HaLeigh was seen. I was just looking at all of the Croslin myspace pages I could find.
CathyJo63 said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm and now we have Hank and Lisa to figure out,shewww,lol
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That is not hard, they are drug addicts and they were at the hopsital when HaLeigh went missing.
Goodmorning everyone, WhyLie, They were there on Monday. AS said when she went there Tuesday morning they would not tell her anything and sent her away. I agree that AS went to the Mondex and they told her that it did not have to do with Haleigh and sent her away. G.Hollar said on national television that she called Putnam Detectives and let them know about the story and location. I am sure as Misty told G.Hollar to call AS which also was stated nationally, that St.Johns forwarded the info from that call to them as well. AS said it herself, being outted by G.Hollar on NG that she and TN went there and searched all afternoon. There is no way it could of been Tuesday with LE present.
Aligoo said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
(By the way, nobody got my little joke that Timmy & Chelsea should change their last name to Nilsorc so nobody will know who they are…ha ha)
Goodnite!
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I got it, but was trying to decide how to pronounce it.
ITA Jan57 @ 8:27am.
I think though, since we have not heard the phone call from Misty to her granny, it appears that while granny may have called AS on Monday afternoon, and AS and TN went searching the area Monday afternoon, LE had no reason to think about searching the boat ramp until Monday night. So doubtful that LE called AS on Monday and told her to stay out of the area. LE may have contacted the family Monday night, but I doubt they contacted them early in the day, given what Werter has said.
If somebody called me and said that Misty said Haleigh was in that area, and knowing the way LE has handled things so far, I would have put on my bug spray and headed to the woods, ESPECIALLY knowing the area was right around the corner from Hank and Lisa’s mh.
Whylie, I honestly do not think they would release that jail call due to evidence that may be on it.
I do not know the exact time LE contacted AS. Therefore I cannot say, but I do know according to what G.Hollar said it is very possible the minute LE had knowledge that she called AS with the info and location they may have contacted her as soon as possible.jmo
I guess the one thing that stands out in my mind is that TN came out against Misty and AS as well after Ron got arrested selling drugs with Misty. Why was it so important too Misty that Her grandmother call AS with this terrible info.Misty had already put out in the media prior to Shell Harbour that all of Rons family did drugs. It just seems very suspicious to me.jmo
Lana, I’m just going by what Crystal S dad said I believe to Cobra about going up to KY. and nobody could bring him back to Putnam or words ot that effect. As for MA, I am clueless, but somebody did say that state was also off limits as far as extradition goes. I dont see how though, part of the 50 states, so anybody can be brought in. they captured Lisa in TN.
With all these stories out there, it is a screwed up mess. I was just thinking this A.M. how this is all about the Croslins now and we dont hear Haleighs name too much anymore, unless partnered with their name.
LFJ
You need to go look on the message board. I wrote the same thin you did about Timmy and Chelsea.lol I hadn’t been here yet.
Cathy Jo
Congrats on the new Grandbaby. I couldn’t remember if I told you or not…..
Lana said,in July 28th, 2010 at 9:08 am CathyJo63 said,in July 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm and now we have Hank and Lisa to figure out,shewww,lol
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That is not hard, they are drug addicts and they were at the hopsital when HaLeigh went missing.
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You would think. IMO over the last 18 months it has been to remember what is fact from fiction and then remind others. You would think there would be progress on the boards after 18 months.
WhyLie said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:16 pm lfj, LE met with TC Monday around 5 for a couple of hours. TC then took them to Shell Harbor, with Werter and Brown. So LE didn’t know about Shell Harbor until Monday evening, so there is no way they could have told any family member about it prior to that.
The search started Tuesday morning. Hardy met with the family sometime Tuesday morning.
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If I am not mistaken it was early afternoon that SH met with the family.
Jan57, so sorry that the funds you sent to Hank and Lisa to help them live on, they decided to use on drugs instead. I am sure that just about breaks your heart. Well at least God knows your heart was in the right place and that you have no control over the fact that Hank and Lisa decided to use your money to commit a crime.
Jan57 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 7:31 am
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Jan57, I just want to say that a heart as good as yours is an inspiration to me and others.
It still is pretty frightening that these Croslins knew what happened and their life went on as if nothing happened. Almost a year went by before they were eventually rounded up, but for another incident. I think if Ronald had an inkling it was Tommy who did something horrendous, Tommy would no longer be among the living. Maybe Ronald is involved with hiding Haleigh out with someone else and Tommy was a part of that, hence the headless and/or dead rat in the mailbox, say something and youll wind up like the rat in the box. Whatever side did this, Tommy knows.
Ky I will go and look. Thanks
Jan57 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 3:18 am
It is just as I expected. I am truely saddened that drugs have taken so much from them.
Addiction is the mighty demon of self destruction, and is the hardest to battle and walk away the winner.
Texasmommy ITA with your am post @7:31am post
Lady I agree with your thoughts @ 11:28am post.
looking for Justice said,in July 27th, 2010 at 9:40 pm Tobias that is a very good question. They could be planting or removing evidence. I do think Misty needed AS and TN to know this info and that Tommy was telling the Joe story and this way it could be relayed back to Ron. Just my theory. Everyone on the same page so to speak.
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Kinda makes you think in that direction doesn’t it…….especially after finding out SKB role in all this.
LadyDay said,in July 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am “It still is pretty frightening that these Croslins knew what happened . . .”
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Knew? Knew what? What happened? Where is Haleigh?
These people are in jail for drug charges.
There is nothing, no information, evidence, nothing at all that shows what happened to Haleigh. Who knows? Every word wrung out of these people could be a lie. A lie told to try to get lower bail and/or lighter sentences on the DRUG charges.
We still don’t know what happened to Haleigh OR who is responsible.
LFJ what post at 7:31 am?
LOL I was still snoozing.
Hey everyone, I just wanted to add my thoughts on why Cindy got her disability right away and Hank didn’t. Cindys disability was mental, PTSD. Hanks was physical, back injury. I think cindy had people onthe inside helping her…Drs nurses etc. Hank had nobody. He should have atleast been able to collect temporary disability until they (DR) could decide if his injuries would be life long. which, if he brokehis back, would be, I would think. He just didn’t have the right people on the job. Cindy did. sad. cindy also knew the exact steps to take to get there, Hank didnot.
Texasmommy39 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 11:27 am Jan57 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 7:31 am
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Jan57, I just want to say that a heart as good as yours is an inspiration to me and others.
I couldn’t have said it better tm.
LOL!!! Texasmommy, it was the 11:27am. I just caught the 7:31 am from Jan57 you referenced in your post. LOL!!!
You are rught Texasmommy it does make you think that way.
Just so you know Texasmommy I do check in still on the forum. I saw the thread Jan started for Haleigh.
oops! right; not rught. LOL!
Some of the best people I have ever loved and still do are fighting their demons of addictions on a daily bases…. I will/ would never turn my back on them.
It is just so sad that so many are caught up in the “lifestyle” of drug abuse and eventually many will commit crimes to support their habit. It is an EVIL that has far reaching effects IMO. Sometimes giving them some dignity can make a difference, some times love is the pull that keeps them from all out binges and sometimes you can not stop their fall to rock bottom.
methinks you that sounds about right. The educated versus the uneducated. It is very sad.
So true Texasmommy.
LFJ I did notice your post.
I am ignored half the time here so.. I now don’t stick around to do much chattin anymore. I just read and leave my thoughts now. I will not give up that HaLeigh is still able to be found. Gotta do some chores before it rains…I hope.. TTYL
See you Texasmommy when you get back.
vaquera said,in July 28th, 2010 at 12:50 am CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:03 am
as a matter of fact,searchers were searching when the wedding was being held!
I would have been searching instead of getting married,just saying
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CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Right Looking,me too and especially if your actions could cause contamination,afterall you want the one who did it to pay,so leave it to the pro’s! jmo
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You just contradicted yourself,LOL
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I must be confused,or you took it wrong? Contradicted myself??
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Hey CathyJO!
Will catch you later CathyJo when you come back. I must have just missed you. LOL!!
Hey Lana. Good too see you.
I think what happened is that CathyJo was responding to two different post.
One was to show while the search on hwy. 17 was being searched and the door removed from the trailer; Ron and Misty were getting married and all of the Cummings family were there and at the reception instead of searching.
I had posted that AS was informed by G. Hollar per Mistys request and G.Hollar did tell AS about the info and the search that was going to be conducted. I know how hard it must be for the family, but it is better to leave the search to experienced LE to try and find Haleigh or the evidence that may have been there.
I think this is what happened with Cathys post. jmo
Texasmommy39 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 pm Some of the best people I have ever loved and still do are fighting their demons of addictions on a daily bases…. I will/ would never turn my back on them.
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My husband died from alcohol abuse, but when he was sober he was a wonderful person. He was a functional alcoholic for a number of years which included good and bad times.
The last thing he said to me was “Don’t you think I would have quit if I could have.” The last few years of his life were miserable for everyone but he is in a better place.
Hank and Lisa were not all bad and I feel sorry for them and I feel bad that their personal struggles have turned so public. It is sad that so many people find pleasure in kicking them while they are down and out.
Hey everyone, checking in, it has been a while since I have been on, knee surgery, yuck, but better now and ready to pool our ideas. Not good about Lisa and Hank, but as some have said, we all have demons, we just don’t air it publically, hoping we get some new insight soon on Haleigh!!!!!!!
Lana said,in July 28th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Good Morning,
I was looking at Chelsea’s myspace right after HaLeigh went missing and I read an old (not sure of the date) message from someone consoling her about the loss of a baby. Chelsea said it was a beautiful baby girl and she named her Haleigh. She said she was sad that the baby wasn’t with her, but she is now an angel in heaven.
She didn’t us the capital L like Ronald said HaLeigh’s name was supposed to be, it was Haleigh and that is how it appears on her tatoo. She may have heard the name before Misty and Ronald hooked up or maybe she heard it from the same source that Crystal and Ronald got it. Perhaps it is a very popular name, I don’t know.
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I remember the part about the baby only living a few days but I didn’t read all of the comments so I missed the baby’s name.
That explains the tatoo and the angel wings. So much has been made of the tatoo and it is in reality so simple. I do wonder why people with so little money get tatoos, but I see it often. Casey and the rest of her family could shed some light on that subject for us.
CHRISSY said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
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Hi Chrissy,
Welcome back! Hope you are recovering well from your knee surgery. Been there, done that, no fun!
You are absolutely correct about the Croslins. While most people have demons that they have to battle in life, they do not have to do it in front of the entire country/world.
Praying for HaLeigh & all her loved ones!
J, It is sweet of you to say “Praying for HaLeigh & all her loved ones!”.
So many people act like no one in her family loved her and they all brought this upon her and themselves.
KC said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
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KC,
I think that HaLeigh had a lot of people in her life that loved her so very much. Just looking at the pictures of that sweet baby showed just how much she was loved. There are certain things in life that can be “faked”, but HaLeigh’s smile is not one of them.
While HaLeigh’s family may not be what some of “us” consider perfect or “normal”, they were HaLeigh’s entire world and she loved them all. I cannot imagine the pain that they go through each and every day, waking up and still not having any answers as to where she is, what happened to her, is she alive, is she not alive, etc. I don’t know how they do it day after day. It breaks my heart to think about. As long as they are not guilty of harming HaLeigh, I think they all deserve our prayers.
Dru said,in July 28th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Snipped by me. “The last thing he said to me was “Don’t you think I would have quit if I could have.”
This brought tears to my eyes, but, your whole comment made me think of my dad. Dru, Im sending you lots of ((hugs)).
Maybe today will be the day someone tells what they know. The First Coast newspaper had an article today about the reward so maybe someone will come forward to claim the $30,000.
I know the reward has been out there for some time, but perhaps the person with the last piece of the puzzle can’t hold it in any longer or is really in need of some money now.
m2c. I just caught your comment RE that the Croslins knew, I should have been more clear, meaning some of the Croslins knew, meaning Tommy, Misty, maybe Misty didnt know the whole thing until after the fact or started remembering. I didnt mean that the elder Croslins knew, I do not believe they did know anything at all except their kids are in trouble, but I think other Croslins knew or figured it out, too much malarkey going on there.
J you are soooo correct this child was loved by all of her family. I do not know how many times that I have had to argue the point that Crystal did and does love her kids. The question in my mind is not whether they loved her but would they be the cause of her abduction/sudden disappearance? IMO Crystal is the only one that had a motive. IMO CS and family and friends all benefited from HaLeighs abduction from day one and IMO that is your sign.
This is a snippet from today’s First Coast News:
The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement are still searching for the girl, who has been the subject of an Amber Alert since her disappearance, though Sheriff Jeff Hardy has told her family to prepare for the possibility that she is dead.
IMO
Preparing for the possibility that she is dead is a lot different than telling the family to prepare for a funeral. But since the investigation was changed to a homicide it makes the fear that HaLeigh is deceased more than a possibility in my mind.
I think they all could use some prayers.
I do think they loved Haleigh but a few didn’t do enough to protect her, imo.
I have no doubt that both sides of Haleigh’s family loved her, but I think they loved their drugs and addictions more, jmo.
Jaba, that very well may be the cause and only reason HaLeigh is not where she is supposed to be, but, I do still see a few other possibilities.
IMO at the moment there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that has been uncovered, leaked and reported that keeps the door open to other possibilities and POI not just the ones we know are behind bars at the moment.
I once heard Cobra say all of them have no idea what LOVE really is. I believe he hit it on the head, they dont really know what love means. Alot of us mothers know that mean self sacrifice, in my opinion none of those around Haleigh would give up everything and everyone to protect and love her. We see it all the time, mothers who think the new boyfriend is so important that the kids get pushed to the side. We also see this in men now since some (but few) have custody. Drugs came first in this situation and still did even after she went missing, Junior was put to the side. jmo
Jan57 318
That’s very nice of you to try and help them. Seems they did exactly what you expected.
I’m a little confused on the 731 post, though. ??
Maybe someone can help me understand a few things today….Why would TomME be the one to roll over? Is it because he was believed the last time? I am with LFJ they all did a lot of talkin on recorded lines and was able to collaberate a story that had already been said over and over again. Heck I bet some bloggers theory was read and at one time would of been believed. For some reason the story has bore no fruit and LOL no deals. I still have a “intrest” in Werter and SKB and their working relationship on the HaLeigh case.
Tm,
Understood.
I think the environment and the dangers, real dangers, the kids were in tells me that someone didn’t care enough, imo. I’m not them and they aren’t me. I’m no better as a human I just think I make better decisions. The kind of decisions we all make that are critical in our lives and our families lives. You have to get those right, imo.
I can’t stop thinking about a show I saw on Investigation Discovery a few weeks ago. A mother was put in prison for murdering her son, later to be proven innocent and a drifter was charged and found quilty. It could be that Misty was not at home and doesn’t know. As for Tommy, he has made up so many stories that he has confused everyone, including himself.
I remember Hank, Sr. saying to Tommy that he is not stupid but he is just a little slow. Tommy didn’t disagree so I guess he has always been a little slow and it is not a family secret.
Tm,
I like the ‘blogger theory’ line.
“Here tommy, pick the best one and run it up the flagpole”
Kc,
If misty wasn’t home, then where was she? And why hasn’t she told le? Or has she? I guess they wouldn’t tell us for sure at this point if her being gone tied into anything.
True, Tommy knew from talks with Lindsy that the lie of the week with Misty was the Joe theory. They laughed about her changing lies weekly. I think he jumped on the bandwagon with Misty to get a deal so he could get out sooner. He knew Lindsy wasnt going to wait for him if he went to prison for even a few years. jmo
I agree. I ask you if you think that these three family’s had a good example to work from. IMO the ability to make better decisions comes from knowing the difference in living good and not. We are our childrens example.
Tm,
Agreed. I would only add that at some point more of the blame for right and wrong shifts to the offender.
I appears to me that all three families were caught in the spin cycle and had no clue as to how to get out.
Not only . . . Jose Baez may be losing his memory regarding the jail call from an inmate, he may be losing his $670,000 lakefront home he purchased three years ago.
http://www.wesh.com/news/24425702/detail.html
WESH Orlando, FL
7-28-10 Updated: 5:29 p.m. EDT
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Article & Video
TM39, no of course I do not think these three family’s did not have a good example from their own parents to work from. But, they did not live in a bubble and have seen where continuing the “family tradition” leads and at some point in their lives they have seen “normal” families. Any one of them could have chosen to not follow in their parents footsteps.
Hi, Jan57!
I see you posted. I do not have time to read your comments now but I will come back later, read and leave you a comment. So good to see you, my friend! Later!
If you are raised the way these people were do you even know that you are the “offender” unless you do something really bad? Taking drugs, having children at an early age, waving guns around, etc. may seem normal to them. I am sure losing a child is not, but who is the “offender”?
tobias it seems that away does’nt it. I just do not get why LE has not charged him in some way if he was in that van that night as Joe and TomMe where driving away together with HaLeigh and he was in that van at the river while Joe did something to and or with HaLeigh. Unless they have evidence to suggest Tomme is lying and the story was fabricated to get an out of jail free card again. IDK something is not right with this whole thing and ofcourse I do not expect PCSO is going to show thier hand now, but, I am expecting some action and not in the drug cases, if there was any validity in TC statements.
looking for Justice said,in July 28th, 2010 at 2:24 pm Hey Lana. Good too see you.
I think what happened is that CathyJo was responding to two different post.
One was to show while the search on hwy. 17 was being searched and the door removed from the trailer; Ron and Misty were getting married and all of the Cummings family were there and at the reception instead of searching.
I had posted that AS was informed by G. Hollar per Mistys request and G.Hollar did tell AS about the info and the search that was going to be conducted. I know how hard it must be for the family, but it is better to leave the search to experienced LE to try and find Haleigh or the evidence that may have been there.
I think this is what happened with Cathys post. jmo
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Thank You Looking!You are correct,I guess thats why I didn’t get that she said I contradicted myself? and I assumed she took me wrong and didn’t understand at all?? or didn’t want too,LoL But actually now I can see where it was ALL MY fault!
was stating my own opinion,Thank God someone else understands my language,I know what I mean,even if I can’t explain it well,LoL
does anybody know anything new on the Lisa and Hank front? and anybody heard Tommy or Mistys comments about it?
The offender, the criminal, the one who breaks the law and something bad happens.
All these folks were told right from wrong by others not in their families.
The fact that they decided they would keep on the wrong side of the law, has cost them and may have cost a little girl her life.
I wish I knew who did it and why where I could take a look at that along with their reported upbrings and figure where it went off the deep end, so to speak.
Jaba You and me both would be in for more than we bargined for IMO…just look who all has been and gone and who still is and at a loss.
I can’t help but think that if misty knew what happened, she would have given it up already…especially now if she has heard that ron will testify against her. The only reason I could see her not telling is if she directly killed Haleigh and knows she may be facing lethal injection. Tommy on the other hand would (imo) give up his own child if he thought he could get out and get another fix. jo, I believe is involved but not sure as to what extent.Ron, imo also knows, but then we can run this thing into the ground, ( and have) and we may never know the truth. Just rambling guys, kinda missed ya but couldn’t think of anything new to say.
I don’t know how to feel about Hank and Lisa now,My heart has went out to them since this began,but I wish they’d have made the better choice,like going to rehab while they could and get clean and set an example to their kids,Now the whole family with the exception of one is in jail for a long time I assume?
I don’t know how to feel about it?? I really don’t!
methinks said,in July 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
ITA!
I feel really bad for Tommys kids Methinks,now their dad and grandparents are in jail!
methinks, glad to see ya! Sometimes it seems just keeping the fact seprate from the fiction is all we can do.
TexMom,So true!
It’s all we have ever had to do!
assuming we do have some facts,lol
Yup, because we have had so much BS to sort through.
TM good to see you as well. Sometimes we get so caught up in the little things since there isn’t anything new to talk about. I got a feeling though that somethings gonna’ break real soon and we will all be thinking “WOW, we should have figured that out” I sure hope so.
Cathyjo, hows the the little guy? I hope he’s well.,and mama too.
I am quite curious why the Croslins’ new charges are not appearing in the criminal dockets yet?
One of the articles yesterday (don’t ask which one, I don’t remember and read a bunch), stated that Hank had already pled NOLO at his first appearance. If that’s the case, he is basically just awaiting sentencing now, and he isn’t even in the docket yet.
I would like to know what the judge is going to do with the Croslins. Will he bring forward the sentences on the past charges that they both had probation on? I want the dockets!
MeThinks,yes they are both fine,Thank you for asking!
Yep TexMom,more bs than not,lol
Off Topic,I was surfing looking for news,a guy was killed right here not a half mile from me,can’t even figure out anything except it was homicide,he ran out to the road and finally got help but died a few minutes later,his cat is also missing,Said he loved his cat and was a great guy,the killer is still loose?
OK, fact/fiction, actually we are still at square one. As I see it, this is all I can figure out:
Haleigh Cummings - Missing/May or may not be deceased
Ronald Cummings - May or may not be involved
Misty Croslin-Cummings - May or may not be involved
Crystal Sheffield - May or may not be involved
Teresa Neves - May or may not be involved
Annette Sykes - May or may not be involved
Jack Lester Cummings - No clue
Marie Griffis - May or may not be involved
Johnny Sheffield - May or may not be involved
Hank Croslin Sr - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lisa Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr - May or may not be involved
Timmy Croslin - May or may not be involved
Joe Overstreet - May or may not be involved
Crystal Cummings - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lindsy Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Chelsea Croslin - May or may not be involved
Robbie Middleton - May or may not be involved
Flo Hollars - May or may not have been told, but makes up things anyway in hopes of getting the reward money
Sex Offender - May or may not be involved
J said,in July 28th, 2010 at 5:55 pm I am quite curious why the Croslins’ new charges are not appearing in the criminal dockets yet?
One of the articles yesterday (don’t ask which one, I don’t remember and read a bunch), stated that Hank had already pled NOLO at his first appearance. If that’s the case, he is basically just awaiting sentencing now, and he isn’t even in the docket yet.
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I read that too J! Already pled and waiting to be sentenced,My Lord,didn’t know things went that fast?
J, maybe he’s gonna’ snitch ou a bunch of dealers or something and if so, would they just cut him loose? What about Lisa? she stayed in the car…so unless she has a dirty UA, what can they charge her with for a violation? maybe just not remaining law abiding, which in my state is a PV. I don’t know.I suppose no matter what, he should still be on the dockets, correct?
Well I am sure hope you will share when ya get em. LOL
I guess he knew though,he was dr.shopping so that can’t look good with this either?
MeThinks,I was hoping it was a ploy,ya know? but if it were I don’t think Hank would have tossed the drugs? jmo
Meant to add but it posted before i hit post??
but here they were just in court at Ronald’s hearing and bam! You’d think people would learn,dang!
OT crime report…..A women was jailed yesterday in my County for beating her husband with a hammer and a GUN. She looked like she didn’t take to many licks in her Mug shot.
OMG TexMom!!!!
It ain’t like a woman to use a hammer if she’s being abused,I am assuming she was?? she wants to make sure he don’t get up,a gun is usually used!
I don’t know what it is with people TexMom!
Ya think you’ve heard it all!
I’m kinda leaning toward the overdose theory today. Whether it happened at home before or after ron went to werk., or whether it hapened at a party at, or away from the mh. Whether it was rons pills,mistys pills gsykes pills/patches…somehow this theory has been on my mind more than not lately. Sometime ago, on here, someone had a theory about Gsykes having fentinol patches. (a very powerful pain med) It was theoried that ron may have left a partially unused patch by the bedside and haleigh loved tattoos. Does anyone think this is possible? Does anyone remember who thought that? I keep thinking about this and what if? That would make alot of people responsible for Hayleigh being deceased. (if indeed she is) These patches can be deadly to an adult, and way more so with a child…especially onr with Hayleighs medical problems.
If ya don’t want to be with somebody,There is a thing called divorce!!
Ya know MeThinks,that could be a reality,it would also explain AS part!
They said on the day that Ron and Tommy had the fight in AS yard that ron was using AS morphine?? not a fact I don’t think! just sayin’
hm,Would explain AS going over there that night,”if she really did” and if she brought a nurse with her??
cathjo, you’d think the gun woulda’ done it…but a hammer too? whoa!
If this happened Misty would have told. I feel its drug related and they have the fear of retaliation from the offender. They also could done such a good job of getting rid of evidence that now they are stuck with only words and no solid proof. jmo
Exactly,thats why IMO she wasn’t abused? I may be wrong but thats how i see it!
CathyJo63 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 5:28 pm does anybody know anything new on the Lisa and Hank front? and anybody heard Tommy or Mistys comments about it?
Well, they called collect, but I wasn’t home. DUH, DUH
Number 1 reason for women to beat or kill a husband is another woman. Thats a crime of passion and it can be over kill. jmo
Sorry Jules,I am confused?
Jules, If Chelsea still has minutes on her phone you can bet they called her to comment on their parents being in jail. jmo
I’d say that was overkill Tobias,sheeeeshO!
Oh cathyjo, I didn’t know she brought a nurse with her. I really don’t think AS would have given her patches to ron willingly but for him to steal them, now thats a horse of a different color. Ever notice in some of the early pics of ron, he semmed to have marks on and in between his fingers? If those aren’t track marks, I’ll eat that horse I mentioned a few lines up!
We also know Chelsea has AH and LP on speed dial. lol jmo
Right Methinks,LoL Eat that horse!
Wasn’t it Misty too who said he shot between his toes? I may be mistaken,correct me if I’m wrong!
He was totally blasted on the tattoo video MeThinks!jmo
IMO He was usually high in interviews and so was TN,Just my opinion!
methinks said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm cathjo, you’d think the gun woulda’ done it…but a hammer too? whoa!
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Honestly I laughed and then hit rewind and laughed again. The thing that got me was she beat him with the gun instead of using it on him. IMO he probable pulled it on thinking to protect himself from her as she was beating his arse with the hammer and she just took it from him and used it to finish the job. Those mug shots can say a thousand words.
Texasmommy39 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:05 pm OT crime report…..A women was jailed yesterday in my County for beating her husband with a hammer and a GUN. She looked like she didn’t take to many licks in her Mug shot.
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If a man struck me I would have only one mark then the sucker would be dead. I have guns and knives.
Lordy Texmom,crazy!!!!
Well I didn’t see his toes(thankfully) but I definately think he was shooting between his fingers. I’ve known addicts who did that when their veins would be in rough shape elsewhere. yikes
Cathy, And man was he peed off that they found him there. He thought he was smarter then the reporters and they wouldnt know where he was.
And I have no reason not to believe the Aces and Eights story about how he bragged about the money. They have no reason to lie, heck they gave him the free tattoo. Probably thought he would use that as a raffle item not use it himself. jmo
Ronald’s hands looked like he had been in a fight.
Tobias,I’d bet the Aces & 8’s is telling the truth too!!
Yes Tobias,he did think he was slick,I don’t know for sure,you may though or someone else, but I heard that TN was giving an interview while he was at Aces and 8’s and said,ron couldn’t be there because he was broke???
I remember reading that Ronald expected free food and drinks and even said “Don’t you know who I am”.
CathyJo63 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm He was totally blasted on the tattoo video MeThinks!jmo
He looked like he was to me.
I believe she was giving that interview and said Ron was talking with the preacher. Thats when the preacher wanted nothing to do with him after that lie. He wouldnt let them marry in the church and wouldnt preform the wedding vows either. To me this says alot. jmo
He probably asked Chilie’s to pay him for advertising their restuarant when he popped the question to Misty there.
Exactly Dru,he said he didn’t want media to focus on his private life,just Haleigh’s……pfffffffffft,he know media would follow him to Chillis!
and he allowed his wedding to be filmed,lol
Thanks Tobias,I thought so!
Hi! Everyone.
Tobias that is correct that TN was telling media Ron was not doing well and that he had been with the pastor all day. OOPS! he got caught 3hours and 24minutes away in Pinellas county with Misty by his side.
He took Misty to the fair while a search was going on,IIRC!!
Dru, iirc ABC picked up that tab in order to get the footage.
LoL Looking,exactly,he’s full of it!
I dunno how people overlook this stuff and think ron is wrongly accused!
It’s so obvious??
Cathy, Chelsea was also at the fair with them. The pictures are in that photo bucket you posted. Chelsea and Misty with a guy(maybe a popular personality in the area?) jmo
I am not sure if there was a search going on when the county fair came to town. The fair was at the end of March or at the very beginning of April. It was on the same week-end that Crystals camp did the cook-out to say thank you to the public. iirc
Thank you looking,I thought I read that but I am alil slow,lol
methinks said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
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Methinks,
I believe that Ronald was doing landscaping during the days for his aunt’s company, and that his how his hand’s were cut up.
And it is only a rumor that Annette brought a nurse that night. There is no nurse in the family, other than on Crystal’s side of the family (Connie), or Lindsy Croslin (who only recently passed the boards). No one in Ronald’s family has a nursing license, despite that being rumored.
Mrs Sykes did not bring a nurse over there. There is another woman in the state with the same name that is a nurse.. different age, middle initial and city.
TimeLine!
SATURDAY, MARCH 21
William “Cobra” Staubs has been in Satsuma for more than a week. He is searching woods on his own and following up on leads.
Satsuma locals report seeing and photographing Misty and Ronald at local county fair without Junior.
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Sorry Looking,lol it was Cobra searching!
Its lightning bad!,bbl
better get off here,lol
iirc CathyJo, the the search on 17 the day they married was the last search until August when they searched over by the area of Rons mh for the fake rose and then the mondex in September 2009.
You are not slow CathyJo; there is just alot too remember since it has been so long.
J, thanks for clearing up any rumours. To me, it appeared that his hands were bruised in a line fashion…like he’d been shooting there. but tree work could have explained this. As for the nurse, I didn’t believe that anyway. I thought it was one of rons cousins in the car with her. That may be incorrect as well. lol It’s just when I saw his right hand in a couple different videos, it reminded me of a girl I knew that used to shoot between her fingers or on top, it looked so obvious so when I questoned her, she told me it was because her veins on her arms were too messed up to use. crazy…not to mention stupid huh?
vaquera said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
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LOL Vaq, great minds!
That is exactly what I was talking about. Just in a lot more words than you used. Haha!
methinks said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
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Ouch! I cannot even imagine doing that to my body.
I did examine Ronald’s hands closely when I saw the cuts early on, and then again when I heard the rumors. However, not only were they cut up between the knuckles, but on top as well. I have done my fair share of landscaping (although not professionally) and my hands have looked quite similar to how Ron’s looked (and I promise I have never shot anything up). I just cannot wear gloves when working outside, and many people I know can’t either, especially in the heat of the summer. I’d rather deal with cut up hands. LOL… my battle wounds!
As for whom Annette had with her, that I do not know.
Misty said it was Rons aunt Lisa that was with AS when she allegedly brought over the kids laundry.
I, have a niece that did any drug she could find, and would only inject it . I, was told by others that she would only do it under the tongue . Thats was because she wouldn’t have tracks on her body.
Under the tongue, omg, that gives me the chills just reading it, sounds so painful.
Well guys, I gotta’ go for the night. I have the grandkids tonight. It’s my sons 33rd birthday so thats my gift to him. A night with no brat attacts!lol night all.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
He took Misty to the fair while a search was going on,IIRC!!
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Ron and the family were at the fair with Captain Dominic Piscitello, Merchant, and other members of PCSO at the booth that PCSO set up at the fair to hand out posters and take tips.
Crystal’s friends and other family members were outside the fair gate handing out posters of Haleigh as well.
PCSO was busy at the fair and were not conducting a search.
It was covered by local news.
LadySadie said,in July 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm OK, fact/fiction, actually we are still at square one. As I see it, this is all I can figure out:
Haleigh Cummings - Missing/May or may not be deceased
Ronald Cummings - May or may not be involved
Misty Croslin-Cummings - May or may not be involved
Crystal Sheffield - May or may not be involved
Teresa Neves - May or may not be involved
Annette Sykes - May or may not be involved
Jack Lester Cummings - No clue
Marie Griffis - May or may not be involved
Johnny Sheffield - May or may not be involved
Hank Croslin Sr - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lisa Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr - May or may not be involved
Timmy Croslin - May or may not be involved
Joe Overstreet - May or may not be involved
Crystal Cummings - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lindsy Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Chelsea Croslin - May or may not be involved
Robbie Middleton - May or may not be involved
Flo Hollars - May or may not have been told, but makes up things anyway in hopes of getting the reward money
Sex Offender - May or may not be involved
Excellent summary, LadySadie! This is a very good list of where everybody currently stands, and thanks for putting it into perspective. I sure hope that LE has a ton more info that we don’t know about. I think the only thing I can add to this is:
Ron C Jr - Not involved.
Maybe somebody can remember for sure, but I believe that the search conducted on the day Ron and Misty got married was not for Haleigh but was for an item that may have been thrown from a vehicle. I remember there being a lot of internet chat about what the item could be. I believe that was the first or second day Cobra had gotten into town and he reported he was with LE during the search.
It is good to see that Haleigh Cummings got media coverage today from one of the Florida TV stations.
Residents throughout Putnam County have contributed $21,377 per this article.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=161123&catid=3
First Coast News Jacksonville, FL
7-28-10
“Haleigh Cummings Reward Tops $30,000″
Don’t know if this was posted since the Croslin’s arrest. Just a tiny more bit of detail.
http://apexnewsnetwork.com/25368/misty-croslin-parents-busted-for-possession/
APEX News Southaven, MS
“Misty Croslin parents busted for possession”
Until I seen evidence I would not accept a story from Tommy Croslin that Haleigh is dead. What strikes me is a pattern between Tommy and his Mother. When they robbed the blind man the Mother distracted the man while Tommy went into his room and stole a gun, they also stole and fraudently cashed cheques. When Misty would not give drugs to her parents the Mother went on attack publicly against Misty. The Mother also stood by Tommy at the abuse hearings filed by Misty. Yet LC claims she knows nothing from Tommy about the night Haleigh went missing. I find that hard to believe. I wonder if LE ever spoke to a teenage girl that came from a family like this to get insight from that mind set that perspective and limited view. A 40-50-60 year old man is not going to have a clue what it is like to be a female youngest child treated, manipulated and abused as Misty has been. I really dislike the fact that LE did not carry out a sting on Joe. They could of gotten an under-cover to befriend him as some cool biker or something and win his trust and nail him, especially with those easy entrapment things they can do. I wonder if LE did not think anything else but that Misty left and ruled Joe out and when it came to light it was to late to focus on him because all the energy was spent on Misty. With that Misty is targeted goes to jail for years along with Ronald, hopefully Tommy but he faces the lightest and the actual killer goes free…hmmm. I believe the terms are “scape goat and or rail roaded” They targeted, punished and publicly convicted Misty when what she needed was help. As for Donna Brock playing Grandma to Misty under approval and funding of Tim Miller all that does is leave one to wonder what kind of buck ass wild Grandma did Tim Miller have that would cause him to have a perspective of Donna Brock as the “Grandma type”
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
DustyRose said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
We do not know that the actual killer is going free, mainly because we do not actually know that Haleigh is dead.
Looking at the list above, why have almost everyone as being May or May not of been involved, but Crystal being Not Involved.???
Crystal has more motive than anyone of them! And her behavior is more suspicious than any of them (in my opinion). So, she is just as much capable of being involved as anyone else, and no one has been ruled out that I know of.
They all “know something” as far as Im concerned! And that’s really sad.
JenM - The Crystal being not involved is Crystal Cummings, Ron’s sister. The third name on the list is Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother, and she is listed as may or may not be involved.
Oops, sorry fourth name on the list is Crystal Sheffield and Crystal Cummings is listed as Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
I would also like to see Chad Griffis on that list. He was not home that night. And his first interview with media was really strange.
And ones I forgot on the list are:
Ron Cummings Jr (Junior)- Haleigh’s little brother - totally innocent, precious little child that is missing his big sissy
Chloe Sheffield/Griffis - Haleigh’s little half sister - totally innocent, precious little child that may never get to know her big sissy
Jordan Brooks - Haleigh’s little half brother - totally innocent, precious little child that may never get to know his big sissy
Drug Dealer’s/Users that any of the adults in Haleigh’s life may have been involved with - May or may not be involved
Dang, WhyLie, the list just keeps getting longer and longer:
Chad Griffis - May or may not be involved
CathyJo63 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:54 pm I dunno how people overlook this stuff and think ron is wrongly accused!
It’s so obvious??
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How can we accuse any of them without knowing all the facts. IMO the truth has almost from day one been covered up by a lot of BS.
I was wondering why Ron never went on a image remake campaign like Crystal did.
Texasmommy, IMO, because Ron trusted LE to do their job and find his daughter.
July 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
CathyJo63 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:54 pm I dunno how people overlook this stuff and think ron is wrongly accused!
It’s so obvious??
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How can we accuse any of them without knowing all the facts. IMO the truth has almost from day one been covered up by a lot of BS.
I was wondering why Ron never went on a image remake campaign like Crystal did.
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Because he thinks he is perfect, jmo
It is a long list and there is a few more
Nay Nay- may or may not be involved
Amber Brooks-may or may not be involved.
Guess I should do a spreadsheet and keep adding as we think of more, lol.
IMO that was the only choice he had. The fact that Crystal felt the need to lobby the public against Ron and make herself look better at the expence of HaLeigh doesn’t sit to well with me.
BRB phone call.
TM39, in my opinion none of them came out looking “good”, but it seems to be coming out that almost all that Crystal said about Ron was true.
Goodevening evryone!
I was just watching NG and Jean C was filling in for NG. They were focusing on the Kyron Horman case. They had a defense attorney on tonight by the name of Randi Kessler. He made this statement to Jeans question” LE does not need to arrest Terri Horman, just leave her out htere and she may just step in it like others have; Ron Cummings etcetera”. My first thought was he best be glad NG was not sitting in her star chair tonight!
You all have a very nice list going.
oops !! there
Texasmommy39 said, “I just do not get why LE has not charged him in some way if he was in that van that night as Joe and TomMe where driving away together with HaLeigh and he was in that van at the river while Joe did something to and or with HaLeigh. ”
I presume she’s referring to TC. Just exactly what would you charge him with. Witnessing a crime?
I have not seen one shred of evidence that proves Crystals accusations against Ron for child abuse, and domestic violence are true.
I see a broken father who has crawled back into the world of drugs after loosing his daughter without a trace.
I remember Tim Miller crawling into a bottle after he lost his daughter. Lost his wife. Lost his job. Lost his family.
I’m not sure what hole I would crawl into if my child was missing and nobody could give me any answers.
Hey GeorgiaBoy! good to see you.
What do you think about Tommys involvement? Do you think he just told a story to get a plea deal so he could get out of jail or do you think there is stock in what he professes?
I think he could be charged with accessory, illegally disposing of a body, lying to LE, giving a false statement during a criminal investigation, reckless endangerment of a child. I am sure if LE thought TC was there, saw something, knew something, they could come up with some charges.
Hi, Jan57!
First of all, it is so nice to “see” you! The last time we chatted, a few months ago on the other blog, you were in a lot of pain and had health problems. I hope you are feeling better.
I read your comments on this thread. Thank you for taking the time to share your information about Hank and Lisa and your thoughts and opinions. I know you have been a very good friend to them for a long time. You were so kind to share info with us, not only about the Croslins but others you helped, on the other blog and many there admire and respect you as I do.
Jan57, it was so kind of you and your son to try to find work for Hank considering you are in another state. Is this your son that was in the accident last year?
I saw and/or heard all of the video/audio jail tapes that Simon and Jan posted. In one of the tapes Hank, Sr. mentioned your real first name. If I remember correctly, it was when he was visiting Tommy.
Addiction must be a horrific evil and a constant struggle. I do hope that after Hank and Lisa serve their time, they will seek to turn their lives around.
I admire your compassion, kind heart, understanding and caring for the less fortunate. I know you have reached out to many, besides the Croslins, and have been successful in giving hope and inspiration to others that have been in need. Without a doubt, you would give your last morsel of food to a person in need.
I don’t know if you saw the comments on the thread dated 7-24-10. Your name was mentioned by me in several comments and by Jaba. You were in demand! If you have not read them, my comment starts at 5:24 a.m. on 7-25-10. There are several thereafter and your name was mentioned. Here’s the Link to that article if you are interested:
http://www.bloggernews.net/124962
BNN Article dated 7-24-10
Jan57, I assume you will write Hank and Lisa. I know you had phone contact before. They are very fortunate to have you for a friend. With your past experiences in reaching out to others and helping, you might be an inspiration to them since they have reached bottom now.
Jan57, may God bless you for being the kind person that you are!
This is off topic but I want you to know that Emma Thompson’s mother, Abigail Young who is a Registered Nurse, was found guilty of the lesser charge and was sentenced to 20 years in prison at Texas Dept. of Corrections (TDC), and a $10,000 fine. The trial concluded a few weeks ago. If she had been found guilty of the first degree felony, she could have been sentenced to life in prison. I feel that is what Young deserves for the death of her beautiful little Emma!
Lucas Ruric Coe’s trial is scheduled for September 13, 2010 in Harris County, Tx regarding the horrific, brutal death of Emma. The State is not seeking the death penalty but life without parole. Coe is also scheduled for trial in Montgomery County, Tx in Sept. for a child abuse case in that county. I think that case might be rescheduled. Maybe not. It could be back to back trials. That abuse case happened before Emma’s death. I still can not imagine Young being involved with Coe and his criminal history. Precious little Emma was only four years old! I visit her grave often.
Sorry for the long post!
WhyLie I agree with you that loosing a child is very devastating and not knowing if they are alive or dead.
I have yet to see evidence on the abuse allegations are true.
I do know there was a restraining order that Crystal did get against Ron at one time.
IMO Ron was into drugs before Haleigh went missing and we know he definitely was after. In all honesty if we can say that Haleighs disappearance drove Ron to drugs then we would have to allow a pass for Crystal as well. They both made poor decisions as parents, but I truely believe they both love their children. jmo
WhyLie, ITA with your 10:07pm post.
Now that this family is behind bars I am patiently waiting to see what will happen next. It has been so very long since this child has gone missing. There are so many messed up people in this world it’s sickening. I wish I knew if LE has anything new or will reveal anything they already know that we don’t. If there is anything. I assume they are working hard for their paychecks on this bunch.
looking for Justice said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
I’m pretty sure that was the afternon & evening before that he was with the preacher.
Do you remember where you read that?
I do believe that Ron had used drugs in the past, I also believe that he had passed every drug screen by DCF and passed drug testing at his jobs. Was he doing them,? Who really knows, but if he was I do not think it was to the degree that people portray.
Was he high during interviews after Haleigh went missing? I would presume so since I am sure the docs had all of them medicated including Crystal and Misty. That’s what docs do when there is a crisis in somebody’s life, it seems.
Crystal filed an OOP on Ron in an attempt to get the courts to give her custody of the children. KP explained that.
Ron was out of town when they tried to serve him on the OOP, guess who he was with? Good ole Crystal. He did not know about the OOP, but she did. He got busted for violating the order. Those charges were dropped, as well as the motion for the OOP.
Can’t trust what Crystal says, that’s for sure.
Lori, It was a media interview that TN was doing live. Media was interviewing TN and they asked her how Ron was doing and she said not well. He has been with the pastor all day. Then later in the day it broke that Ron Cummings and Misty Croslin were spotted coming out of the tattoo parlor in Pinellas County and he was not very happy. You can see the interview with Ron coming out of the tattoo parlor on you tube. After all of this came out the pastor never came out in Rons defense and put out a release that they did not agree with the union of Ron and Mistys marriage and the pastor refused to marry them.
comment deleted — You might be able to keep getting in here but I will just delete all your comments and ban the spoofed IP you have. The thing that gets me is that it is so sad how you keep coming in when you know you aren’t allowed. For those of you that wondered why I banned OJ’sGlove to begin with, well this is good example of how he is. And to think I really gave him a lot of chances before I had enough too.
Jan Barrett - BNN Editor
Welcome back OJ. No, nothing’s changed.
looking for Justice said, “Do you think he just told a story to get a plea deal so he could get out of jail or do you think there is stock in what he professes?”
Well, if he just told a story to get out jail, it didn’t do him a lot of good did it?
I know most people on this list don’t believe Tommy. Why should they? He lies. They all lie. I personally believe the Shell Harbor dock story. I also think we may see some concrete evidence (no not concrete blocks) still yet to come from the Shell Harbor dock, or maybe not. I don’t know.
But I believe the Shell Harbor dock story that Tommy gives. Why? Because despite the fact that many on this list think Werter is a bozo as an attorney, I don’t believe so. I guess we’ll see. If Tommy gets 3-4 years then Werter is a terrific attorney. If Tommy gets 15 years then he sucks. So next Friday we’ll find out, Aug 6.
So why do I believe the Shell Harbor story? Because SKB, and Werter, both have bought into it. And IMHO neither of them is a dummy. SkB has been on this thing for a year. I know he visits TC every week or so in jail. I know he has done some additional investigation that he has shared with the PCSO but not with the public.
I know that Hank Sr. and most of the other family members communicate with him more than weekly (well, until Hank and LC were arrested) so I think he’s pretty well plugged in to what the facts are. At least as to what he believes the facts to be. So until I see something to the contrary I’m going to go along with the Shell Harbor story.
But I do keep an open mind.
WhyLie, I will go back and find it.
I do not know Crystal personally to know if I could trust her. I do not agree with her lifestyle nomore than I agree with Rons.jmo
Sorry to post and run but I have an early morning and it’s nearly midnight here.
Andy, you didn’t have to tell us who you were, we figured it out.
Have fun.
My mother named me Jules, I didn’t have any say in the matter.
White Boy Greg needs to be on the list. I don’t know if he is involved or not.
I love the Flora Hollars description on the list.
I have been posting here off and one for about 2 years and only found out the other day that someone else also named Jules.
Thank you GeorgiaBoy for your thoughts.
CathyJo63 said,in July 28th, 2010 at 6:54 pm I dunno how people overlook this stuff and think ron is wrongly accused!
It’s so obvious??
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What is he accused of other than what he is in jail for? He deserves a trial just like everyone else.
I would say that we will see what kind of an attorney Werter is if/when TC gets charged with murder.
If LE found any evidence at Shell Harbor I would imagine that after 3+ months they would have the lab work back and somebody would have been charged. Nobody’s been charged because LE doesn’t have anything other then TC’s word, as far as we know. And his word doesn’t mean garbage.
He lied to get out of jail before and it worked, so he very well could have decided to go that route again. He had said a few times that LE was trying to get him to lie and finger JO. Lindsy files for divorce, and bam, TC fingers JO.
It sure makes a person wonder. Is TC involved, or is he lying to get out of jail? That’s the question that it seems even LE can’t answer.
WhyLie said,in July 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm I think he could be charged with accessory, illegally disposing of a body, lying to LE, giving a false statement during a criminal investigation, reckless endangerment of a child. I am sure if LE thought TC was there, saw something, knew something, they could come up with some charges.
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He may well be charged with all of the above and then some. Only time will tell. He isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
WhyLie I have to agree with you on your 11:05pm post.
Tommy is a piece of work, I must say.
WhyLie said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
I would say that we will see what kind of an attorney Werter is if/when TC gets charged with murder.
If LE found any evidence at Shell Harbor I would imagine that after 3+ months they would have the lab work back and somebody would have been charged. Nobody’s been charged because LE doesn’t have anything other then TC’s word, as far as we know. And his word doesn’t mean garbage.
He lied to get out of jail before and it worked, so he very well could have decided to go that route again. He had said a few times that LE was trying to get him to lie and finger JO. Lindsy files for divorce, and bam, TC fingers JO.
It sure makes a person wonder. Is TC involved, or is he lying to get out of jail? That’s the question that it seems even LE can’t answer.
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I have a feeling if Tommy is charged with whatever happened to Haleigh Werter will be no where to be found. There will be no photos Tommy can sell and pay him like the Anthony’s did Baez.
I have been posting on and off for the same amount of time and yesterday was the first time I have ever seen you Jules. But as you see I have revised mine. Still thinking of a new name but it’s also my birth name.
I don’t know who isn’t a piece of work in this family. Poor Haleigh never had a chance.
J said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
vaquera said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
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LOL Vaq, great minds!
That is exactly what I was talking about. Just in a lot more words than you used. Haha!
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I am a person of few words so I try to make those few count
I really like this list you have compiled! I didnt read all the way through the list, but dont forget the Regans either. One of them also used to date Crystal I had read that awhile back and supposedly had a close encounter during one of the searches. I find one of them, if not both suspicious of all those items that were placed for Cobra to find.
Jules said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Tommy is a piece of work, I must say.
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He’s a piece alright, but it’s not work
LadySadie said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
OK, fact/fiction, actually we are still at square one. As I see it, this is all I can figure out:
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I’d like to add Amber Brooks and Lisa Brooks. They used to be at the top of my “who dunnit” list but they aren’t at the top at this moment.
Chad “I was out all night” Griffis too.
I can’t even fathom “who done it” any more. There are way to many questionable players. I see why LE still hasn’t arrested anyone. I wouldn’t have a clue to arrest at this point. The entire family lies and apparently has huge drug issues.
LS thanks for clarifying the list….
I think the whole world is a suspect, untill they find out who is responsible for Haleigh being missing.
Find Haleigh.
LadyDay said,
in July 28th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
I really like this list you have compiled! I didnt read all the way through the list, but dont forget the Regans either.
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I don’t think the Regans came on the scene until after Haleigh was already missing. I think they disgustingly thought they could somehow make a lot of money off a missing child, but that was after the fact.
So OK, here is the revised list so far:
Haleigh Cummings - Missing/May or may not be deceased
Ronald Cummings - May or may not be involved
Misty Croslin-Cummings - May or may not be involved
Crystal Sheffield - May or may not be involved
Teresa Neves - May or may not be involved
Annette Sykes - May or may not be involved
Jack Lester Cummings - No clue
Marie Griffis - May or may not be involved
Johnny Sheffield - May or may not be involved
Hank Croslin Sr - Not involved in whatever happened
to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lisa Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr - May or may not be involved
Timmy Croslin - May or may not be involved
Joe Overstreet - May or may not be involved
Crystal Cummings - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lindsy Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Chelsea Croslin - May or may not be involved
Robbie Middleton - May or may not be involved
Flo Hollars - May or may not have been told, but makes up things anyway in hopes of getting the reward money
Sex Offender - May or may not be involved
Ron Cummings Jr (Junior)- Haleigh’s little brother - totally innocent, precious little child that is missing his big sissy
Chloe Sheffield/Griffis - Haleigh’s little half sister - totally innocent, precious little child that may never get to know her big sissy
Jordan Brooks - Haleigh’s little half brother - totally innocent, precious little child that may never get to know his big sissy
Drug Dealer’s/Users that any of the adults in
Haleigh’s life may have been involved with - May or may not be involved
Chad Griffis - May or may not be involved
Nay Nay- may or may not be involved
Amber Brooks/Lisa Brooks-may or may not be involved
White Boy Greg Paige – may or may not be involved
Jeremiah Regan & Dad – Disgusting scammers that tried to make money off a missing child
Good morning. LadySadie @ 5:15 am
Great list the first time and even better the second time with one exception. Personally, I think one who should not appear on the list is an innocent little baby with a significant disability who we do not KNOW is even related to R. I know people speculate and maybe they are right but maybe they’re wrong, too. Why should that little child’s name be on such a list? I could go for the list 100% if his name was removed. Would that be okay please?
LadySadie, I would take baby Jordan’s name off of the list since there is absolutely no confirmation he is related to Ron, and it’s not fair for this little guys name to be out on the net without anybody even knowing if he is related. Given his mother did not show up with him for DNA testing, that could be an indication she knows Ron is not the father.
Morning to all,
Wow LadySadie, Very good job making and updating the list of possible suspects/co conspirators.
I know the Regans didnt come into the picture until supposed after the fact, but from what I have read, there was a prior history with the younger Regan and CS. I never realized how many were involved in this, but wasnt there yet another person, possibly a RSO that was at one time a Sheriff and also worked with MS years ago? Isnt this the guy who was recently picked up by the Feds and placed in confinment in GA?
So many to suspect, but I dont think it goes that far. I think it just centers on most of the oens in jail and some of the ones who arent in there-yet. One side of me always believed it was CS side who did something, the other could have been Ronald doing something, then there is the possibility that group possibly who was around Misty last had something to do with it, but that goes back to the CS side, and you know about loose lips. Maybe they all got fed up with Ronalds way of beating and controlling his ’subjects’ and somebody did something about it. I’d really like to see Misty stand up for herself, for one time in her life and say something in court, just let it all fly, no matter what her sentence is for the drug deals.
WhyLie, Maybe baby Jordan’s mother didn’t want to be tied to Ronald or have her child tied to him for the rest of his life. Not much chance of getting a lot of child support so she would be better off on her own and wouldn’t have to deal with visitation by him, his family, etc.
Now that he is going away on an extended vacation it appears to be a good choice. But you are correct that Ronald may not be the father.
LadyDay,
I think it would be wonderful if Misty would stand up and tell all she knows, if she knows anything worth telling.
She does come across as one of those young girls who doesn’t feel worthwhile unless she has her a man. I see that so much and in this day and age it makes me sad. I thought we had progressed more than that. I am not saying being in a relationship is a bad thing, but so many females think they are not validated as a person unless they are in a relationship.
Good Morning,
Ok the list is coming along nicely now can we tie a motive to each one?
Ronald Cummings - Accident
Misty Croslin-Cummings - Accident
Crystal Sheffield - Illegal custody change
Teresa Neves - Accident
Annette Sykes - Accident
Jack Lester Cummings - Accident?
Marie Griffis -Illegal custody change
Johnny Sheffield - Illeagal custody change
Hank Croslin Sr - Not involved in whatever happened
to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lisa Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr - Accident/Drug induced involvement in HaLeighs abduction
Timmy Croslin - Accident
Joe Overstreet - Drug induced homicide
Crystal Cummings - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Lindsy Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Chelsea Croslin - Not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh, but may have been told after the fact
Sex Offender - I realy do not even have to say.
Drug Dealer’s/Users that any of the adults in
Haleigh’s life may have been involved with -
Drug deal gone major wrong
Chad Griffis - Illegal custody change
Nay Nay- Revenge
Amber Brooks/Lisa Brooks-Revenge
White Boy Greg Paige – Sorry guys he took a polly and passed. I do not believe he belongs on the list.
Jeremiah Regan & Dad – Illegal custody change/ $$$$$$$
I took a few off that IMO do not belong on a POI list. The children are innocent and have nothing to do with HALeighs abduction.
IMO there is two motives that stand out
accident and illegal custody change.
I guess I see the ‘list’ as all possible persons to look at, but I think opportunity must also be figured in along with motive.
TM39, I agree that the children should not be on the list, only put them on there because someone last night requested it. OK, my views at to motive:
Ronald Cummings - Accident/Drug induced involvement/Drug deal gone bad
Misty Croslin-Cummings - Accident/Drug induced involvement/Drug deal gone bad
Crystal Sheffield - Custody issues/$$$
Teresa Neves - Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up
Annette Skyes - Cover up
Jack Lester Cummings - No involvement - may have been told what happened after the fact
Marie Griffis - Custody issues/$$$
Johnny Sheffield - Custody issues/$$$
Hank Croslin Sr - No involvement - may have been told what happened after the fact
Lisa Croslin - No involvement - may have been told what happened after the fact
Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr - Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up
Joe Overstreet - Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up
Timmy Croslin - Accident/drug induced involvement/cover up
Crystal Cummings (Ron’s sister) - No involvement - may have been told what happened after the fact
Lindsy Croslin - No involvement - may have been told what happened after the fact
Chelsea Croslin - Cover up
Robbie Middleton - Paternity issues
Flo Hollars - want her 15 minutes of “fame” and the reward $$$$$$
Sex Offender - name say it all
Drug Dealer’s/Users that any of the adults in Haleigh’s life may have been involved with - drug deal gone bad, may have been ripped off
Chad Griffis - Custody issues/$$$
Nay Nay - Revenge/drug induced involvement
Amber/Lisa Brooks - Revenge/drug induced involvement
White Boy Greg Paige - Sex/drug involvement with Misty
Jeremiah Regan & Dad - Disgusting scammers that tried to make money off a missing child
I will agree Motive ,Oppertunity and ABILITY all need to be worked out for each individual. IMO that is where it goes down hill.
Many want to believe Ron was not at work all night or was able to sneak away and commit this crime against his own child and then returned to work..
Many do not want to believe that Misty had no car and her phone was turned off from 8:30 that night till she claims she tried to call Ron when she woke and found HaLeigh missing.
Many want to believe that the Sheffields would not just take HaLeigh ,but, would of taken Jr. too.
IN 18 months no one has been able to get the truth about where Chad was that night and why he was seen pumping gas at 5am that very morning.
I wonder if CS did try to call chad after she got that call from TN?
Goodmorning all,
The list is coming along very nicely.you all have done a great job.
Texasmommy, you make some very valid points in your 9:14am post.
It would be most helpful if Putnam would share a little bit of info with us so we could know what to take off the list.
Ann-tx or Texasmommy, do you know of anything going on with the ali lowitzer case in Tx? Like Zach, there’s no clues,no leads,no cell phone activity,nothing.
LadyDay @ 7:26 am You said, “I’d really like to see Misty stand up for herself, for one time in her life and say something in court, just let it all fly, no matter what her sentence is for the drug deals.”
— I think if M had anything at all to say - even possibly a confession of guilt on her part - that she would say it if she’s been offered the right deal on her drug charges. Her lawyer may be interfering with that if he really thinks he has a good chance of getting a low/no sentence without her giving any info. But to me that would be due either to his ego or LE not putting Haleigh first and drugs second.
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For the motive list it would be good to add Revenge for Marie, Johnny and Chad. They’ve had a lot of hostility toward R for years.
KC–Thanks for our 4:16 pm comment yesterday and your snippet from the First Coast news article. Hmmm…Sounds like to me, PCSO might be backpedaling, considering THEY declared this a homocide during the river search in the first place. It also sounds to me that they have no evidence to reclassify it as a missing child’s case to a homocide, or some evidence would have been found to corroborate the tales of Tommy and Misty in that river search. In my opinion, they jumped the gun and like AS says “they will have to show me evidence before I believe Haleigh is dead”. In my opinion, they have only investigated as far as the ones they currently have in jail for drug trafficking and that’s why this case is at a standstill right now. JMO
Good morning lady, m2c, whylie, just sayin,texas mommy,looking, and Ga.girl, kc, and I hope I didn’t miss anyone, Today I decided to ponder the possibility that cs may have taken, or had taken Haleigh. Perhaps those bruises were not related to the school yard… well maybe some of it was and the school documented that but maybe after school something happened, and more injuries occurred. If so, this was probably not the first time, and both sides knew it. Maybe sheffelds did have someone come in and snatch Haleigh knowing that it would end up in cs getting custody of Jr. Maybe the reason was that Haleigh was the most vulnerable due to her medical issues, and it seemed as though she were the one ron targeted most because she was clumsey and needed more care than Jr I know this sounds crazy and maybe I am, but what if? I know many of you here have already thought about this over and over but maybe it should be thought about one more time…shefelds had nothing but time on their hands to plan and it seems they had more than opportunity to make it happen…blame the babysitter, blame ron , they didn’t care who took the blame as long as they had Haleigh, Jr would be granted through the court…eventually. Just my thoughts today. also, maybe thats why it took so long for crystal to get there, in her heart she knew it wasn’t an emergency. Now please be gental with me when you point out the fact of this theory that don’t fit in….I’m tender today and I may cry. chuckle sort of.
good morning robin!
Hey guys, I gotta’ leave my puter for awhile, the landlord is coming to work in the office, so I must shut down and….let em…I guess. bbl as soonas I can!
Hey methinks. See you when you get back. By the way, you will see no argument from me on your theory because I think the Sheffields need to be scrutinized thoroughly on this case. I think some of their actions are suspicious, some of their statements just plain weird (especially Marie). JMO
Robin, I agree!
methink, IMO the theory has been more plausible than any other. Out of all the theories it is IMO the most hotly debated and has caused the most back lash on its believers. i have never understood why it became a “side “isssue and never about finding HaLeigh and who did it. IMO that had a lot to do with CS,MG and KP, Cobra, AH and many, many others.
I doubt that theory because there were so many people like KP, AH, Cobra and SKB involved and if there was one ounce of info pointing that way all these people would have seen it. Remember they were there for Haleigh and the publicity. All of them wanted to be the one to take the credit for finding her. jmo
Good morning everyone. AnnTex i sure have missed you.I didnt forget about little Emma bless her heart.But had not heard anything in a long time.Im wating on Coe to get whats comming to him for such a awful crime against a child.Little Emma didnt deaserve to have her life ended like that it makes me so sick to my heart to even think about what Emma went through,or Caylee,Little HaLiegh if shes been killed..Did you get to go to the trial against her mother? I know your a long time fighter against abuse of children.
Yes it was my son who got in the wreck, hes got my compassion for people..He has a Job comming up in Alabama next month.I dont know what this involves.The one before Fla the 4th,he did one for David Copperfield.I so wish we could have got Hank some work,he wouldnt have had idle time on his hands,an the moneys great.It would have helped them.No i havent wrote yet,but im going to call the jail there an get the address.I really do need to take time to write them,an others soon.
I know in my heart Casey took Caylees life from her.But in HaLieghs case,i just dont know what to believe as to who may have murdered,or covered up a accidednt.That is if she is dead,an not tucked away some where.It just doesnt look like she will be found.I do not blame GG Sykes for wanting proof that HaLiegh is deceaced/evidence to prove it.If the child was dumped in the river ,i doupt they will ever fine any evidence there.Another heartbreaking story among so many.Its every day,or other day something happening to these precious innocent children.
To all of you who made mention of my helping them.I assure you i have seen way worse.Thank you for understanding my compassion.If it was one of my loved ones,i would want someone to be kind to them. Jesus said to love one another.Pray for those who have fallen.Im aware things are getting worse in this old world.When i was growing up we may hear,every now an then of a child being murdered,but not to the extent that it happening now,an the mothers who are murdering thier children OMG, it has gone off the charts..
When speaking to my mother,an other elders things have changed drastickly sence they were young.Her day was even so much different from when i grew up.My teens were when(flower power free drugs,started happening) now we have the drugs an murders of children.If we really knew the extent of how may children have died at the hands of those they know just this yr alone,it would be staggering.
We hear only a touch of whats going on in this world.It makes me so mad how they are packing all the sex O /pedifiles into these small towns Its awful,walking free on bond serving short sentences..So what do we do,all i know is this nation must pray as a whole,an fight for stiffer laws against those who harm children.The court system must set a example if you murder a child no excuses,they should be put to death for the murder of the innocent,an helpless….Lethal injection is a whole lot more human that what some of these killers did to these babies.Enough is enough!!!..Like the mother who slit her girls throats.She wasnt suppose to have unsupervised visits with her girls.But a Judge allowed it,an she cut their throats that very day,she got the visit.That Judge needs to be fired,an charges his self,he was suppose to do right by those children before him.The Judge already knew she tried to kill her own self in front of the girls i think 3 weeks prier.How could someone like that ever be trusted around a child again,no amout of mental meds that they can stop using at any time an flip out again Meds wont stop someone when they have murder in their hearts!!!
Like the man who only served 5 yrs after raping a teen,an getting out to wind up killing the other 2 girls….5 yrs,but someone faces 25 yrs or more for some pills who had no record.Its amasing to me.I think selling drugs is wrong,an according to the case should be punished.But for a change I would like to see LE capture some of the major drug dealers comming in to this country.Like where did the coke come from that the crack was cook up from -that those had who got busted where Hank bought from? Who dilivered that coke into town?.Who brough the shipment of coke into Putnam.Whos the big boys??? Well im on a roll this morning,but it all upsets me at how it getting worse every day …..An still we have no HaLiegh,or Anwsers….
IMO KP was mislead and fed a bunch of lies ,right along with the rest of us by the Sheffields.
IMO Cobra was kicked to the curb for making CS look bad not because he revoked that POS SO’s bond.
Just because it has not been made public does not mean every relative and friend of the S/G side was not checked out. I believe this would have fallen to FBI since it would be an investigation in other States. I am sure once the Sunshine laws go into effect we will see just how much was done. jmo
Texasmommy–I agree. Crystal played the “victim” card to the max, that it even got her back child support paid. I have noticed Crystal has NEVER taken responsibility for any of her actions–it has always been someone else’s and something’s fault besides her. I also think (IMO)the fake search at San Mateo was to manufacture evidence against Misty because she was going the be the “fall guy” and if they thought Ron or someone else got caught in the crosshairs, so be it (that would get ROn out of the picture). They have tried ever way imaginable to monopolize and steer this investigation to its inevitable conclusion with Misty being responsible and Ron indirectly, while Crystal comes out smelling like a rose and a hapless victim of Ron’s evil machinations. PCSO did not take the items found in that search for a reason and I give them credit for seeing through that ruse. I think the Sheffields need a thorough investigation because IMO some things do not add up on their part. JMO
Oh, please. Discounting methinks’ theory based on the likes of KP, AH, Cobra and SKB. That’s actually almost humorous.
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I can consider the theory very well, methinks, but the motive you attribute - that R was abusing Haleigh - is very far-fetched. First, if the angelic host of the Sheffields really thought that, they would have had much more success with their numerous DCFS complaints. Remember both the school and DCFS was keeping a close eye on R and Haleigh.
And second, I really think money and revenge suit that crowd much better as motivators - MG, JS, CS (although she may not have known about it at the time) and Chad G.
Robin @ 10:56 am - I totally agree.
Do you really believe that side was never investigated? With FDLE and the FBI on the case? Just because it was not made public does not mean it wasnt done. I cant wait to see the Sunshine laws to take effect.jmo
Lady Sadie great list its comming right along. The AC man was their to at the trailor that evening. He was there,an could have unlocked the back door.For someone else.Was he given a LDT?
I am not discounting any theory, just pointing out that we dont know anything about the investigation into the S/G because KP and others made sure it never went out in the public. jmo
That has always bugged me how that AC guy never was named and has still been kept out of the medias eye. Along with all the workers at PDM. jmo
Ronin i agree,an have always felt that way.
First, I consider a number of theories as possible. The maternal kidnap theory is one of them. There is NO reason whatsoever for us to rule it out.
Tobias @ 10:45am, KP was working for MG. Her job was to get custody of Jr. What makes you think the G/Ss would give her any inkling that they took Haleigh? Obviously it would be something they’d work very hard at keeping from her - right up there with CS’s drug use.
SKB was also working for MG. Same question.
AH??? Has anything happened in all of this time that gives you the impression he behaved at all like a real investigative reporter? lol!
He was there to video Cobra and then to jump on whatever bandwagon he could get - which ended up being the Croslins! lol!
And as for Cobra, I have to keep my peace. I could go as far out on a limb as to say if I was looking for a teacup I would not send him into a china shop to look for it.
tobias, in your commet at 11:06 am you seem to doubt LE’s decisions.
And yet at 11:01 am you seem to trust them implicitly.
Tobias–I understand what you are saying and respect it, but I do wonder why the Sheffield angle has NOT been made public, if it was indeed investigated. Every nuance and action of Ron and Misty, and consequently the Croslins has been made public and scrutinized to the nth degree. I do not understand why one side gets a “free pass” in the media speculation bandwagon. Nancy Grace is the only one who gave Crystal a less than stellar appraisal. JMO
IMO the list of CS defenders had other motives in mind, aside or instead of finding HaLeigh. IMO $$$$$$$$$$$$ has been a motive for the whole Sheffield entourage.
I never said it wasnt a possiblility just not high on my list. The reason is because I highly doubt that they were never investigated. I believe they were, we dont know about it because the MEDIA was too over zealous in the Misty side of the case. They were always wanting her to talk to the cameras.
Most of our info came from those news tidbits.
While the media was busy with others does not mean the PCSD, FDLE and FBI were only focused on that side also. And with all the coverage coming out about Duggard and others being found I believe like us this theory also came to their attention. jmo
methinks lets explore that.Haleighs monkey bar accident at school occured on the 8th of November iirc. She was taken to the ER in St. Augustine. A couple of days later Haleigh was taken back to the ER for a stomach virus. According to Rons prior lawyers web page TN stated and produced a time stamped pic of Haleigh on Nov. 14,2008 and Haleighs face had totally healed.;her face was clear of any lacerations. AH uses that pic of Haleigh. She looks so spunky in that photo. Crystal produces a pic that Connie Sheffield says she took and gave testament that it was taken on Nov. 16,2008. It was not time stamped. Haleighs accident happened iirc after Haleighs visit with Crystal and had allegedly healed prior to haleighs next visit with Crystal two weeks later. Crystal said that her cousin told her that Ron, Misty and the kids came by and Haleigh smarted off or something and Ronald slapped Haleigh to the ground (paraphrasing).
The pic of Haleigh allegedly taken on the 16, of Nov shows lacerations and bruising. The pic taken by TN on Nov 14,2008 shows no marks on Haleighs face. Question is how did Crystal get that pic of Haleigh with injuries since Haleigh got hurt and healed after her visit with her mom and healed before according to TN Haleighs next visit with Crystal.
Wasnt their a former SO who had lived in that trailor before Ronald.If so does anyone know who he was.
A neighbor,an family moved right after it happened also.Close enough to snatch a child.But then again im sure lE ruled them out.
What about Chad Renolds he had committed a crime of B&E,an molesting a child.So its kind of his mo.Wonder if he was reported missing before HaLiegh did.Or after.He went missing around that time,an knew the Putnam area,he went to jail there.Even though he lived 2 hrs away..I dont think hes ever been found,taking a child would be reason enough to disappear.We dont know the exact time she went missing,that evening..I know he is thought to have fell to foul play.But who knows.Unless his bodys been found.wonder if he knew the crowed in jail,or family.
TY LFJ I didnt know this info. I knew about the photo and the playground accident but not the later photo that TN had that showed her healed on the 14th. hmmm. How did Connie get the picture of her on the 16th? Or really any time after the accident? since she was with Ron the whole time??? jmo
IMO PCSO has investigated many and they still have not found HaLeigh.
I have a hard time believing HaLeigh was thrown in the river and never to be found. The fact that the story broke within hours and the search did cover the water ways by LE and civilians and IMO the “story” told by TC doesn’t hold water. That paticular dock is public and probably used that very day in the locals efforts to find HaLeigh. That dock is also at the end of a neighborhood road and with a lot of activity and I would think was searched by many of the locals for many months and possible since the search at the river. We are by nature curious beings. I am sure local fisherman and hunters kept an eye open over the last 18 months and have not discovered or revealed publicly that anything has been found.
tobias said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Do you really believe that side was never investigated? With FDLE and the FBI on the case? Just because it was not made public does not mean it wasnt done. I cant wait to see the Sunshine laws to take effect.jmo
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Not really. Did they take computers, did they even give them LDT’s, did they get cell phone records? Hell they didn’t even search up there till June supposedly at the request of Marie.
I read somewhere that someone in PCSO said they didn’t see what the motive to the maternal side of the family taking was? I saw lots of motive.
Heck if they can find a few hundred year old indian bone I believe they would of found HaLeigh.
Good question Tobias. How Crystal came up with that pic is unknown to me. All I have to go by is that Connie said she took it on Nov 16,2008 and then when you see the pic of Haleigh with the time stamp of Nov 14th, 2008 with no visible injuries makes you wonder what happened in just two days. Crystal said that she took Haleigh to see Connie on that Sunday the 16th before returning the children to Ron at 6pm.
I believe Chad was reported as missing a week or so before Haleigh went missing. They found a car he had abandoned out on the highway close to where Haleigh went missing if I remember right. As of this date, he hasnt been found. I also do not believe this was the same Chad Misty had spoken about as being at some party. I had wondered once if this Chad could have met his fate and perhaps could have been the person at the end of somebodys rope? With this group, one can never tell, ya know?
CS talks out of both sides of her mouth, like a little child. How she ever got custody of any child is beyond me. I know she has to keep showing up for drug testing, but things in the past raise my eyebrows about her and her family, sorry. She shouldnt even be allowed to drive anymore with those children in the car. If she has a legit problem of passing out and having seizures. Sorry IMO its drug related.
That search at the Griffis farm also took place shortly after the round table meeting and there has not been another since. Chad was pulled in for questioning after the Satsuma 5 where arrested and the very day of the one year vigil.
Another question, more so in regards to MG then Crystal. When Crystal was asked why it took her an hour to call her mother that morning, Crystal said she had been trying to call her mom but couldn’t get a hold of her.
So, did Crystal lie and really didn’t try to contact MG during that hour, OR was Marie not home during that hour?
Can’t just go by MG not answering the phone since they only live yards apart from each other and I am sure Crystal could see if MG’s vehicle was in the yard or not, and could have easily run over there if she knew her mom was home.
Makes me wonder if MG didn’t answer her phone and Crystal knew MG wasn’t home either because she saw the vehicle gone or she went over to MG’s MH.
Remember we’re talking about a mom who had just been told her child was missing, and probably abducted, which would be a very serious event for most mom’s, and would demand immediate attention.
Vaq, what makes you think they did not get cell phone records. We know Crystal took a poly but was not given her results according to her they said they had to send them elsewhere. We do not know if LE took computers or not. They must have went there in the beginning because they said Crystals nebulizer for Haleigh was present and accounted for, while Rons was not. It was stated that when Haleigh went missing so did her nebulizer; not her inhalers,they were still present.jmo
Chad Reynolds disappeared on the 2 or 3 of FEB.
The car and Chad were 2-3 hours away from where Haleigh went missing. I also believe Chad was killed. I believe it was his sisters boyfriend who killed him. I went on the site awhile back and family members said this boyfriend had a drug and alchol problem and a violent streak. They also blamed the boyfriend for Danyells death, he gave her the keys and let her drive when she was drunk. jmo
Thank you, Vaquera. you once again said it the way it is. Too many hokey things said here and there and the looks between CS and her mom on some of the tv shows, Gerlado? where they look at each other after that oh so subtle pregnant pause and then uh uh uh. They also pointed out about when Haleigh fell in the creek when she was younger but why point a finger to Ronald when you were there as well? I do not think CS took Haleigh to ER for water inhalation and Marie labeled it as just a small incident. Its all those things they had done that make think the way I do. sorry.
Whylie that is a good point and I have tried to understand this since day one. What would a mother do?
Starting with recieving a phone call at 3:49am from TN..
So, Chad was not home, and possibly MG was not home. Remember it was MG that gave Chad an alibi to media, saying she knew he was home.
looking for Justice said,
in July 29th, 2010 at 11:49 am
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The “fact” that Ronald’s nebulizer for HaLeigh was missing, was only a rumor. That was never proven (or disproven). It was simply an internet rumor that spread like wildfire after an interview when Teresa Neves stated that there was something of HaLeigh’s that should “always be with her” that missing.
HaLeigh was not even using a nebulizer at the time she disappeared. Nor an inhaler.
Vaquera@2 11:41am You said, “I read somewhere that someone in PCSO said they didn’t see what the motive to the maternal side of the family taking was? I saw lots of motive.”
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I read that, too. All I can think of is stupid, stubborn, short-sided, narrow-minded, tunnel vision - at best. I really hope LE was not really that incompetent? manipulated? prejudiced?
Sorry, can you tell that upsets me! lol!
BTW, the Croslins have finally poppped up on the criminal dockets today:
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UCN: 542010CF001599XXAXMX
File Date: 07/27/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: PENDING CASE
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T SR
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
07/27/2010 1 ARREST REPORT - PPD OFF/HAGER (ARREST 7/23/10)
07/27/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 10-3155
07/27/2010 1 PURCHASE OF COCAINE WITHIN 1000 FEET OF CHURCH
07/27/2010 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 7/24/10
07/27/2010 2 ADJ INS P D APP