Please note that this is an Op-Ed piece. It is based on information that I have received from several sources, all of which have a very high credibility rating.
Jan and I class William Cobra Staubs as an extended family member. So when he calls us up and melts the telephone lines we listen. Those telephone lines started to melt at 7:30am on July 4th. Often Cobra’s language is colorful, yesterday it transcended colorful, in fact it likely contravened the latest Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT).
I listened to the story, and I was shocked, but I also know when I am dealing with high explosives, you walk carefully and you treat them with respect. I suggested that Cobra should sleep on it. His response was “I have *&^%*&% slept on itâ€.
During the time I have known William Cobra Staubs, I have seen him happy, I have seen him despondent, I have seen him angry, but this was the first time I have ever seen him ballistic.
To understand his anger, you need to understand some of the background to the story. I won’t bother you with the details, but while searching for missing Haleigh Cummings Cobra attempted to revoke the bond of an accused sexual predator, Daniel Snodgrass. This action had a cascade effect, finally resulting in Cobra facing 15 years behind bars on a felony charge. 15 years is a long time for anyone, but for a man in his fifties, it is particularly daunting.
The entire episode could have been nipped in the bud, however a well known journalist conveniently managed to lose a crucial tape while traveling in Las Vegas. Of course exactly why he would have taken this particular tape to Vegas is a mystery.
I likely know as much about this case as anyone else, actually I probably know a great deal more than most people.
During his time spent on searching for Haleigh Cummings, Cobra had ruffled some feathers in Putnam County. I do not think that those ruffled feathers were in the PCSO. Every indication I have is that in many ways they welcomed him. He could go places and ask questions that they could not. They were not in competition, it was a symbiotic relationship. The feathers he ruffled came from further up the food chain. He was asking some very embarrassing questions. The Snodgrass incident gave them the opportunity to remove Cobra from the picture.
Legal entities come in two flavors, career men and women that work diligently to solve and also prevent crimes. The second flavor is less savory, they are political animals with agendas.
It was the political faction that wanted Cobra to be gone.
From the outset it was clear that locking up Cobra for 15 years was really not a viable option, all that was required was to get him far away from Putnam and causing trouble for a very well connected family.
Cobra is not a fool, and only a fool represents himself in court. He needed to find some legal representation. I will skip his first choice, a highly litigious and well known lawyer, to even mention his name would result in a cease and desist letter to me. Instead, for cost reasons Cobra went with a Putnam county based attorney Don Holmes.
At the time I told Cobra that he was insane! He needed someone outside of the closed loop. Of course it is easier to herd cats than get Cobra to change his mind on almost anything!
Don Holmes comes well recommended, Don Holmes will do me right
It was not very long before the attitude had changed. The love affair was over, however Cobra still had high hopes that Don Holmes would come through.
The parameters were simple. Plea this down to where Cobra can regain his license that was currently under suspension, and would be revoked permanently should he have a felony conviction under his belt.
The plea deal came down, and indeed it was custom based. The plea was a simple battery, often known as the touch strike law. This is a very minor infraction. The terms of the probation were the strangest I have ever seen, Cobra can carry weapons, he can hang out with bad people, he can be around drugs, he can have a Gin and Tonic if he wants one, etc, etc.
Cobra has indeed had his Bail Bond license reinstated. However his excitement was quickly tempered by the fact that now the state wants to yank his PI license. Citing some little known statute, the Department of Agriculture (yes you did read that correctly) wants to revoke the PI license. The reason being, Simple Battery is a crime of violence!
There is much finger pointing going on, who dropped the ball? Don Holmes says it was not his problem. Of course when we dig a little into Don Holmes we find some interesting stories. The DA that went after Cobra was Boatright, the story is that both Boatright and Holmes worked together in the DA’s office and also in private practice.
Public record also shows that Holmes is running for Judge in an upcoming election. How convenient is that? I can see the platform, Vote Holmes, I’ll Keep Putnam Safe From Bounty Hunters!
Obviously this is just my own opinion, but I do believe that poor Cobra is being hung out to dry.
He asked questions that were embarrassing to the politicos, and they are not going to let it drop. I’ll go so far as to share the question that started this whole disaster, who was Haleigh Cummings biological father?
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI wish Cobra would have listened to you.
Poor guy doesn’t deserve this.
WHOA!!!! WTH?
This is just amazing to me. What the heck is he going to do. The nightmare continues.
lurk:off
another possibility of what happened to HaLeigh. kinda fits in as to why Jr. was left…curiouser and curiouser…..another theory (that has been brought up by many bloggers here)…
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I am confused. Is there reason to believe Ron is not bio dad?
it has been ‘rumored’ that RC is not her bio dad. he was named as bio dad on birth certificate. i have never seen concrete confirmation that there was ever a dna test to verify.
Simon – you really dropped a little bombshell at the end of your article! I didn’t know Ron being Haleigh’s father was in question. This story gets murkier and murkier. Poor Haleigh!
Why didn’t Cobra just ask Crystal, or go to the court house and get all the custody court docs?
If there was any way possible that Ron was not Haleigh’s father you can bet your last nickel that the Sheffields would have proven it and gotten Haleigh away from Ron.
Personally I think Cobra’s problems started from his own camp. IMO Cobra needs to look closer to home at just WHY he was encouraged to go to Snods to begin with. Clue: KP and Regan.
whylie:
very very very good point.
imo, as alwys for the few posts i make.
Interesting piece of non-fiction, always the insinuation that someone is on the take or corrupt in florida. Cobra is a liar, he has lied since the first moment he stepped into that county, false searches, paying reporters to follow him around, pointing the finger on recorded phone conversations tape at everyone but himself. Most of his information is totally to far fetched to be real, and now he is going to say Haleighs “real” dad was a politican or politicans son. Cobra wanted 15 minutes of fame, and unless he can prove his accusations this story should not have been written, hav e him name names and go on the record.
Why would Cobra ask that? Lukeismyfave asks a good queston…why? and does this mean that maybe she was snatched by ..um? Wait…wasn’t there a blogger that used to come in here periodically and state rather factually that Haleigh was taken by some retired law enforcement officer and is living in another state? Does anyone remember that?just curious.
WhyLie said,in July 5th, 2010 at 4:50 pm Why didn’t Cobra just ask Crystal, or go to the court house and get all the custody court docs?
If there was any way possible that Ron was not Haleigh’s father you can bet your last nickel that the Sheffields would have proven it and gotten Haleigh away from Ron.
I agree with this post 100%, you can bet if the Sheffields would have thought Ron was not the father then she would have fought tooth and nail to not pay all that child support!
I believe it was rumored to be a Middleton? The brother of a PCSD officer? hmmm.jmo
Isn’t Middleton with the SA’s office?
I am positive that when the doctors checked Haleighs DNA for turners syndrome there are records Crystal can get checked if she wanted to find out now. Ron gave a DNA to PCSD and so did Crystal. If anyone knows it would be investigators. hmmm.jmo
Cobra has indeed had his Bail Bond license reinstated. However his excitement was quickly tempered by the fact that now the state wants to yank his PI license. Citing some little known statute, the Department of Agriculture (yes you did read that correctly) wants to revoke the PI license.
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Department of Agriculture
Frank Johns. Johns was 2004 Chairman of the Florida Fruit and Vegetable Association, the powerful lobbying arm of the Florida agricultural industry. As of 2007, he remained the Chairman of the FFVA’s Budget and Finance Committee.
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2010/05/21st-century-slavery/
methinks:
i remember that story and that blogger.
i do agree with okaloosadame that cobra f-ed up when he hired a ‘reporter’ to ‘follow and document’ this case. sketch decision on him i think he realized real fast that he f-ed up with who he teamed up with and is trying to redeem himself.
however, i feel deeply, this case has been legally screwed from all sides including families, LE and 3rd party fme whores to the point that mistrials will happen.
sad sad sad.
yep, I would think it’s time for alittle dna check. and yes plzstfu, this could definately change everything in this case. Personally, I think it’s just another sideshow to throw the ball into someone elses court…but whose?
Misty could walk away a rich woman.
Wow, I never even thought about Ron not being Haleigh’s bio dad.
Where were Teresa Neves, Ron and Crystal living when Crystal got pregnant with Haleigh? I didn’t think it was in Putnam County.
methinks:
yep. yet another theory (sideshow). just hope simon feels confident in putting it out here to us…you know how it gets with theories!! is it shark week?!?!? could be now on bnn!
I have contacted a Florida State Senator and others in state gov’t seeking assistance on Cobra’s behalf
plzstfu said,in July 5th, 2010 at 4:48 pm it has been ‘rumored’ that RC is not her bio dad. he was named as bio dad on birth certificate. i have never seen concrete confirmation that there was ever a dna test to verify.
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According to the Paternity case Court Docket, Ron was found to be the father of the minor children (Haleigh & Jr.) on December 5th 2005. I assume they did a DNA test to make that determination?
Also, it wouldn’t make sense for Crystal to tell the Court Ron was the father if it wasn’t true, particularly when she wanted custody. So, I’m thinking he is the father.
Ocaloosadame, Your statements reguarding Cobra show how little you follow the case. Cobra, using his own wallet tredged through swamps and thickets,streets and hoods looking for this missing child. I beleive he is as honest as you and I. He put himself out there for one reason and one reason only, Haleigh Cummings. Now he is getting another boot to his azz for his efforts. I have nothing but respect for the man.jmo
Okay, Simon. THAT is a bombshell. NG hasn’t had anything near this for a Looong time! lol!
The only reason I can think of for the Sheffields to not use this to get Haleigh back is because up to NOW, the real father did not want it known. For some reason, NOW (or last Feb 10) he wanted the child or wanted to remove the child (the proof).
Hopefully it’s the more positive scenario. So Haleigh is kidnapped and a mysterious party pays off the custody payments (and maybe puts some extra in the S/G accounts somewhere until this blows over) OR is able to threaten them in some way.
Just a thought. Not even an opinion.
Thanks for the info Me. Now I am totally confused. Why is his paternity in question?
In a custody case where there is the absence of marriage, DNA testing would be standard procedure.
I think Ron is the dad, Haleigh and TN look so alike in some pictures, it looks like DNA was done in 2005… but whoever is her dad, she deserves justice! So does it really matter?
You are a good man, T J! Is there speculation that Don Holmes is connected to the Middleton family? Since he is running for judge he is trying to win as many votes as possible?
Sorry, but I think that was one of the many WS rumors that Cobra got sucked into by his camp.
TJ, Thats great news. If anyone can shake some trees,and rattle some cages, it would be you. Please be careful where you step. That whole area seems to be covered in doodu…and who knows where the landmines are. lol
I totally respect Cobra also. TJ will definately get attention from the govt on this. Lets all do what we can for this selfless man. He doesn’t deserve this stab in the eye.
As Cobra would say…”This is some crazy shit man!”
So Ron providing a sample of his DNA was a red herring? OY Surely LE has Haleigh’s little toothbrush or hairbrush though for identification purposes.
It’s been a while since this story came up, but agree with those who think the Sheffields wouldn’t stand for this.
Outside of having the bad judgement to trust the so-called journalist in question, Cobra seems uber hapless. Maybe he can strike a deal whereby he doesn’t do any PIing in Putnam County. Godspeed.
JillF said,in July 5th, 2010 at 5:22 pm Thanks for the info Me. Now I am totally confused. Why is his paternity in question?
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Good question. Perhaps because people don’t like to let a few facts get in the way of a juicy rumour?
So police officers can have domestic violence charges and keep their jobs but Cobra cant? Whats wrong with this question???? jmo
HaLeigh resembles Theresa Neves, hair and all. RC is HaLeigh’s father. There is something else going on and its not paternity.
Peyton Place was nothing compared to these characters!
Has anyone ever determined why “A”not”H”er journalist turned on his heels and fled? Do you, Simon, know the deets? Has Cobra ever shared his thoughts about that? From what I read, this other reporter claims Cobra stepped way out of line.(not that I’m against Cobra trying to strong arm a convicted sexual offender.) Why the refusal to help a fellow investigator? Was this other reporter warned against it by the same factions that tried to scare Cobra and instead of helping Cobra, he was intimidated and too weak to stand up for himself and Cobra?
I DO think Cobra has tried his damnednest to get to the bottom of this. Satsuma seems to be a cesspool of toxic secrets, in the vein of Midnight in the Garden of Evil. It’s a shame that we (the public) don’t know for a fact if Haleigh was Ron’s biological daughter. Surely DNA has been done to determine this by now.
Sure would like to know the truth about the paternity, just because a child looks kinda like someone proves nothing. I am positive if there is something to this PCSD knows the truth because they have all 3 DNA samples in their possession. jmo
The Middleton’s are friends of the Sheffields, Connie’s side. Some of which live in Kentucky.
Resemblances can be deceiving, my step-son looks more like me and my sisters and brothers than he does anyone on either his mothers or fathers side of his family. So you really can’t go by Haleigh resembles TN.
That being said, do we know if LE has done any DNA analysis (as someone mentioned from a hair brush, etc) since Haleigh has gone missing to in fact determine if Ron is her bio father?
Turners syndrome is a genetic abnormality so I am positive the doctor would have her DNA in her records.jmo
Whether its true or false just the question puts a bad light on whoever wants it not to be known if its political. I think there may be other questions they didnt want asked too. jmo
dna has been confirmed…awesome. another sideshow.
tj: you rock. i think you know the real deal and cant say anything for fear of personal or legal retribution. it will all come out in the wash….
i want to see proof of dna, not because i believe one theory or another, but im sick of statements being made as fact. i look like one of my friends, doesnt mean we are related.
If this is political I wouldnt be surprised that it says Ron is the father on court records. Not too hard to do that to cover up a little indescression. jmo
Like many have said, I believe this is just another sideshow.
I do not believe for one second that Ronald Cummings is not HaLeigh’s father. In addition to the resemblance to Teresa (and Crystal), like WhyLie said above, if there was ANY chance at all that HaLeigh was not Ronald’s, after Crystal did not win physical custody back in 2005 and filed her Motion for Rehearing, she would have brought up the issue, rather than just “let” the court award custody to Ronald who “may not” be HaLeigh’s father.
Doesn’t fly, IMO. Ronald is HaLeigh’s father and this is just one more distraction. The only thing that should matter now is finding who is responsible for this baby not being home with her family and bringing this person/people to justice!
I am sure they did genetic profiling on Haleigh due to the Turners.
I must be honest and I doubt it will be popular, however, Cobra’s intentions in this case have left me at times truly bewildered, If it had not been for Kim P and her hiring his services would his intent been the same? My understanding his involvement happened once Kim P hired him to investigate Ron… unfortunately IMHO potentially the interest of self promotion may have caused some issues regarding “bounty hunting” paid by Kim P and then the fall out of that broken relationship to appear a bit disingenuous. This is all just opinions, and I truly believe Cobra wanted to find the truth of HaLeigh, after he became connected and involved with this case. However I am not sure what he has been subjected to is any different than the “drug ring” facing insane sentencing as a muse, by LE to find out what happened to HaLeigh.
To bring in Ron’s paternity at this point, also confuses me, as to what is the purpose? IMHO, unless I read incorrectly, paternity has been proven.
Per Peter Hyatt, he is an investigator, deals with many attorneys and works for the government in the state of Maine, and is also a consultant on other high profile criminal cases, does he not have some contacts to assist Cobra with Cobra’s case?
Wow, when I said on the last thread that I had a gut feeling about Cobra, this was not what I had in mind.
Man, they have it out for him big time. No matter what anyone thinks of Cobra, his heart has been in the right place from the beginning.
OkaloosaDame: No matter what you may think of Cobra, and you don’t have to like him, but you could show respect just the same. While the rest of us may have only been able to sit behind our computers and hope and pray, Cobra was actually on the ground there putting himself in at times not so ideal situations. I haven’t always agreed with everything he did, but I still respect what he has tried to do for Haleigh and her family. How many other people spent time with Haleigh’s family to try and get answers?
TJ, I know you have spent time with Cobra & know what kind of man he is. I know he appreciates what you are doing to help him. We all thank you.
Sorry so long, but this article threw me for a loop and I’m kind of in shock. I don’t know what’s going on about Ron possibly not being Haleigh’s bio-dad, but I have a hard time with that. I think she looks like Ron.
Another thing, I just can’t see Ron Cummings being the stand up kind of guy and raising a child he didn’t believe was his own.
Why lie, Thats why I said PCSD nows for sure but if its political we may never know the truth. Seems Cobra asked this and so much more to ruffle some feathers. hmmm. I also have a feeling even Crystal is in the dark on who Haleighs real father is if indeed it was covered up when Ron went to court. jmo
well known journalist?? Who we talking about?
As far as Ron not being bio dad…lets not even go there.
This is what the Court docket says regarding DNA.
(Just the relevant parts)
UCN: 542005DR001321FDXXXX
File Date: 09/16/2005
Disposition Date: 11/08/2007
File Type: PATERNITY
Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Case File Location: RECORDS CENTER
Plaintiffs CUMMINGS RONALD LEMYLES
Defendants SHEFFIELD CRYSTAL DIANE
09/16/2005 001.PETITION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF
12/01/2005 .RECOGNIZED 05-1354 -FD, RONALD CUMMINGS DECLARED LEGAL
12/01/2005 .FATHER OF BOTH CHILDREN
12/05/2005 .PET. FOUND TO BE FATHER OF MINOR CHILDREN, SHARED
J, that could just mean that Ron agreed that he was the father and it does not mean any DNA testing was ever done. If the father does not contest the paternity and both parties state he is the father there is no reason for DNA testing. The courts will not order it unless either party requests it.
I guess thats another thing we will learn if this case ever gets solved and the records become public. jmo
j:
thx for clarifying legal paternity.
kinda wondering why simon would post such a comment about paternity and what about that question would have gotten cobra in so much trouble? (it was cleary pointed out it was op ed)
LadySadie,
I understand that. I was just posting it for those who hadn’t seen it.
Quite frankly, I think this is a non-issue. Ronald *is* HaLeigh’s father in every way that matters. I also believe 100% that he is also her biological father, too.
Like I said above, if Crystal knew there was a chance that Ronald was NOT HaLeigh’s (biological) father, she would’ve pulled that out the second she did not retain physical custody after her rehearing. I do not believe for one second that the Sheffield/Griffis family would let Ronald raise HaLeigh if he were NOT the father. I think that they would have yelled it from the rooftops back in January of 2006 after the rehearing. JMO.
J, This document must be from when r filed for custody as it states him as the plaintiff. I think whats interesting is that it says “declared legal father to minor children” Did they get this declaration from a dna test or because r declared that he was the legal father?
Sadie, I totally agree if Cobra looked into the records he would have known this so he wouldnt need to ask the question. I believe he found out there was no DNA done for paternity and knew who Crystal had been with so he started asking questions some people dont want answered. jmo
per my above post…Nevermind lol I see it goes on to say petitioner? found to be father. I don’t understand alot of the court paper stuff. lol
tobias said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Whether its true or false just the question puts a bad light on whoever wants it not to be known if its political. I think there may be other questions they didnt want asked too. jmo
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I lean to other questions.
Amazing. It never ends with the folks in this case.
Everybody has ‘lost’ in this case.
Yeah jaba, it’s a bunch of key-rap…lol
Questions (Q) are from attorney Donald Holmes, and Answers (A) are from Daniel Snodgrass.
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Will cobra talk publicly on the radio show about this ? And the much talked about ‘search’. I’d like to hear it first hand with all the cuss words cobra can throw in a full radio segment. That man can should create the character ‘the over-cussing’ private eye on an hbo series. I’d watch.
yeah Cobras cool, even if his language steps outa’ the locker room once in a while, he’s still cool.
methinks said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
J, This document must be from when r filed for custody as it states him as the plaintiff. I think whats interesting is that it says “declared legal father to minor children” Did they get this declaration from a dna test or because r declared that he was the legal father?
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Hi methinks,
Yup, this is back from 2005 (the start of the Paternity/custody proceedings). Ronald is the Petitioner because he is the one that originally filed the paperwork asking for custody and took Crystal to Court. (Because Crystal and Ronald were not married at the time of the children’s birth, he had to have paternity established, which is why the initial filing was a “Petition to Determine Paternity and Related Relief”. He couldn’t ask for custody of the children until he was LEGALLY named the father)
It doesn’t actually say in the docket that a DNA test was done. I think that both Crystal and Ronald agreed he was the father, and they decided to forgo the DNA testing, but it doesn’t really specify in the docket? Courts won’t order the testing if neither party is refuting the claim. Since Ronald wanted custody, he obviously wasn’t denying the children.
We all need to ask AH where that tape is and why he is not giving it back to Cobra. I have a feeling he does have the tape and for some reason is lying about it. jmo
Interesting. I’ve looked at the Haleigh Cumming’s story from several directions, but never wondered if Ron was Haleigh’s real father. Wow! If there’s an angle there I want to hear the rest.
Lol, Jan, who is this TJBlows character?
Must be one of your fans. ha ha
Tjblows,
Now those are some hot opinions.
Tone down the f word a tad and come back and discuss facts with us.
And if ron did kill her opr was the infamous man in black, how did he do it?
State senators embarass themselves all the time. Its time to turn the table on them!!
WOW TJblows,,As Jaba said “come back and discuss the facts with us” You sound adament about it so lets hear some facts. Or do you just speculate.
Someone doesn’t like ron… or us…na na na boo boo crybaby wa wa sissy-poop pants… na na So you see tjblows, we can discuss it in a way that you can participate, but we thought we’d try it like adults first. Let us know if you still don’t understand.
I was bamboozled by rons walk. I admit it, I was a victim of ‘ron-con’. Damn it!
excuse me, TJ.. your post is VERY offensive. PLEASE don’t take the lord’s name in vain. You just don’t stroll onto a blog site and throw it out there like that.
I haven’t gotten past your first sentence which actually looks to be a whole paragraph long.
Please, just don’t do something like this. That sort of language doesn’t belong here. All opinions are welcome.. however I personally take offense to your first 3 words.
Peace….
I saw too that Rons Pat was established through the court. Why the question of who was Haleighs bio dad starting the convo with Cobra? It is too bad he hired that attorney, whats he going to do now?
That was a hit and run move. Don’t think there will be any respnse worthy of reading but who knows, we’ve had blathering idiots here before.
Like me!
TJBlows: I don’t agree with a lot that is said or speculated by the experts or some of the posters, however, if you can express your opinions with modicum of civility without lowering yourself to obscene rants, I am sure others would welcome or consider your thoughts without completely writing you off as a vindictive fool.
lol jaba, chuckle ahem…me too chee hee
and poof, it’s gone already?
hello to my pals!!
Ok well I guess if we do not see the actual pat. test how would we know. the court can issue an order without the test if the mom didnt show up and ron thought he didnt need the test.
ok, what is with Kyron’s step mom? WHAT? Where is this poor little boy? My heart breaks for this child….
He agreed the child was his when he signed the birth certificate and if Crystal didnt refute it under the laws Ron is the father. One of my husbands friends raised a child he thought was his almost 18 years then found out it was someone elses child. Didnt matter in court since he signed a legal document claiming he was the father. jmo
paternity can be established by claiming to the court they are the father, without a dna test. dna only comes into play when there is a request for testing/doubt of paternity.
i dont like the idea of another story/diversion/theory but simon saw fit to post it in this op ed article. with that said, finding out if a dna test was done is crucial to any further discussion.
Crystal knows who she had sex with. Even there was even a slight chance that Ron was not the father of Haleigh you can bet your bottom dollar the Sheffields, especially JS, would have brought it out and court and demanded DNA testing.
Although I thought DNA testing was done and it’s in the official docs, the one’s you have to go and get not the ones online. Not sure if I am remembering that right or not.
But you can bet that KP would have known if there was a chance Ron was not Haleigh’s father and would have pushed that issue.
Well peeps, I’m off to bed. It’s time to operate the tv from my side of the bed, which “the hubs” thinks statistically happens more times than not in most homes. Did anyone here understand that? me neither, which is one more reason why I’m off to bed…lol
WhyLie, if Crystal was doing as much drugs as even she claims at the time, she may not actually know who (or even how many) she had sex with.
Unless there was some type of pressure, political or some in some way “threatening” to them, I do agree that the Sheffield side would have brought out the question of paternity out in court.
So what type of pressure could have been used to keep the question of paternity quiet until around the time Haleigh went missing?
whylie:
good valid point…but with so many unanswered questions and so few facts we are left to ask what if?
what if js, crystal, mg, kp were covering for the bio dad to give a clean getaway and focus the abduction/disappearance away from that side?? plz understand and know i do not have any theory about who is guilty. i only have unlimited questions and few answers. i can see that any of the players named (and possibly unnamed) as being responsible. imo….
im off to ask more what if’s and wait for answers…
without a doubt positively PCSD investigators know for certain who Haleighs father is because they have all the DNA on file in this case. Will they ever release their findings if it ever goes to court? who knows. jmo
Does anyone know what is happening with the Snodgrass case and why there is no info on what happened in court on the 1st of July and why he is not in jail yet? sOMEONE DOWN THERE NEEDS TO GET ONTHE BALL AND GET THIS GUY OFF THE STREETS BEFORE HE HURTS ANOTHER CHILD. JMO
I find this whole question of paternity so very sad, what is the motive???
I remember reading something and thought it was a court document for the custody hearing that Ron produced his driver’s license and that was used as proof of who he was? Paternity was never questioned and no DNA test was done. This Middleton guy was supposed to have stated that Crystal and he were high school sweethearts. Crystal never went to high school.
Why, would someone please be able to tell me, was paternity even brought up in the first place?
I agree, if Ron is not the bio-dad and the Sheffields knew it, they would have pushed for a DNA test to take HaLeigh from Ron.
I see ron filed for emergency hearing to pick up child in 05. cs was no show he got custody (no proof of paty test)
then Right afterwards cs filed domestic violence and custody but She Dropped it All. wonder why?
WhyLie said,in July 5th, 2010 at 7:18 pm Crystal knows who she had sex with. Even there was even a slight chance that Ron was not the father of Haleigh you can bet your bottom dollar the Sheffields, especially JS, would have brought it out and court and demanded DNA testing.
Although I thought DNA testing was done and it’s in the official docs, the one’s you have to go and get not the ones online. Not sure if I am remembering that right or not.
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I also thought it was done and that I read it in the offical docs.
I guarantee you this is/was not about who the baby daddy is!
#1, I said from the get go that outsiders would not be appreciated coming in and trying to take over. They got Geraldo out of there, and then Cobra, and shut AH down to where he had to rely only on his make believe sources, lol!
WhyLie said,in July 5th, 2010 at 5:24 pm In a custody case where there is the absence of marriage, DNA testing would be standard procedure.
I disagree, I do not live in FL but
I had a child out of wedlock, knew exactly who her father is because I am not a tramp who sleeps around, went and filed for cs, of course paternity has to be established, if her father had any doubts that he was not my child’s father it is his right to have a DNA paternity test done. He did not, he trusted me and knew he was her father. There was no DNA testing done in my situation.
Domestic violence, ron? Say it aint so.
IMO, the question of paternity is nonsense. If some connected politician was the father, Crystal would have fought him for custody, not Ron. Obviously she could have collected a fair bit of child support for Haleigh if a rich guy was the father. And if the rich guy wanted it kept quiet, he could have paid her to keep it quiet as well. Makes no sense imo.
me
I totally agree with you
ME, I also agree with you, but must add I find this conversation disturbing at best.
I thought Cobra brought Kim P in the case, not the other way around, because Crystal need to “clean up” her pubic image (past drug use and back child support) not to mention to wage her “campaign of hate” against Ron. I never thought there would be a question of paternity, but then again the Sheffield angle has heen hushed from the beginning of this. Maybe Cobra knows something we don’t. Is he bound by any confidentiality agreements with his clients–the Sheffields (I don’t know if PIs are bound by the same rules as lawyers)? Another point I do question–if Crystal could not win custody against RonBO (with his rap sheet), how do you think she would retain custody from a well-connected family? She would have more of a chance of getting custody of Haleigh with Ron as her daddy, then a well connected family where money is probably not an issue. Could this be the reason of Cobra and Kim Picazio’s split? Could this be a reason that she wanted him removed him from the case? If Cobra KNOWS (and not under a gag order) then I would say dish the dirt that could put this investigation back on track and maybe Haleigh can be found or Justice be served. I think this could be a “Bombshell” that could easily be verified either way. JMO
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I have a question for all. Who was the young man who showed up at Ronald Cummings tent that he was camping in shortly after Haleigh’s disappearance while LE had the MH taped off and was investigating? This young man was very upset/fuming that Haleigh was gone and went straight to Cummings and almost punched him and wanted to know what he (Cummings) had done with Haleigh. Wasn’t this the individual who thought he was Haleigh’s father? Crystal certainly didn’t have much to say about it! But this young man obviously must have had some kind of encounter with her to lead him to believe he could be Haleigh’s father.
IDisagree, I am presuming that you and your childs father did not go through a custody battle. I think in that case it would make a difference. What court would want to give custody of a child/children to the father without being 100% sure the father was indeed the father?
I also don’t think that Crystal would have dared tell Ronald Cummings he might not be the father of Haleigh. She knew he would beat her to death!
The Middleton’s are friends of the Sheffields. They are friends/family of Connie and Ruby’s, and through them friends with CS.
Jan/Simon,
Will cobra talk about this on the radio show sunday?
WhyLie, DNA testing is not standard procedure in custody cases. It is only done if paternity is disputed by either party.
i ALSO DOUBT THE STATE DOES THIS FREE OF CHARGE. JMO
I just hope tomorrow we get some info and Tommy gets his sentence. Maybe then he will let loose with some info on Haleigh if he has any. jmo bbl
If Haleigh was not Ron’s child Crystal would have brought that up in the custody case. I really do not care if he was not her bio dad.
It really does not matter. Cobra I think is off his rocker and went to Putnam for himself NOT for Haleigh Cummings. If Art Harris lost the tape I would guess it could have got him in trouble or sued, that would be my guess. So I imagine it would not help Cobra.
It is illegal to record calls in Florida the way Cobra did but he went ahead and did it anyway AND then put those calls on U tube for his fame.
He operates outside the law himself, I can see why they want to yank his permit. What he did was one step short of wire tapping.
Why would this even have to be established. Did Crystal not put Ronald’s name on the birth certificate to begin with? If not, Why????
Tobias, if you are referring to DNA testing to establish paternity you are correct. If either party wants it done they have to pay for it.
JillF said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Simon – you really dropped a little bombshell at the end of your article! I didn’t know Ron being Haleigh’s father was in question. This story gets murkier and murkier. Poor Haleigh!
If there was any question to whom her daddy was, the Sheffields would have used that to get custody of Haleigh in 2005 and they didn’t.
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it’s not
LadySadie, I just know from personal experience (family member) was told it was standard since they were not married even though he had signed the BC. It was a custody case, in my family members case, and it was Florida.
vaquera, And that you can take to the bank.
Native Texan, just because someone’s name is on the bc does not mean they are the child’s father.
In order for the court to establish custody and order cs payments the paternity of the child must be proven either by the parties signing a legal document stating they are the child’s parent or having a DNA test done.
WhyLie said,in July 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm IDisagree, I am presuming that you and your childs father did not go through a custody battle. I think in that case it would make a difference. What court would want to give custody of a child/children to the father without being 100% sure the father was indeed the father?
We didn’t have a custody “battle” but since we were un-wed paternity had to be established in order for the court to determine custody and order cs payments just as it is during divorce proceedings where minor children are involved.
Again, DNA testing is only done if a party has any doubt as to who the child’s father is.
Simon, SHAME ON YOU for referring to Art Harris as a journalist. Art Harris is a sleazy wannabe PERIOD
KrisLyn said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
I see ron filed for emergency hearing to pick up child in 05. cs was no show he got custody (no proof of paty test)
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Crystal was a no-show at the first hearing. She filed for a re-hearing and was granted said hearing. Therefore, Ronald did not get custody by “default” like some people like to claim (not saying you are saying this).
Also, in FL, if a man requests a paternity test, he does NOT pay the testing fee in the first instance… the Court does. If the man is determined to be the father, he then pays the fee. If not, the man is NOT responsible for the paternity testing charges.
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jaba said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Domestic violence, ron? Say it aint so.
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jaba,
What do you make of CRYSTAL’S domestic violence charges? When she violated a domestic violence injunction?
She’s an awful parent and has trouble living ‘right’. That’s all I really think of her.
Imo, ron is a scumbag with a host of negative issues. The one in front him this month may cost 25 yrs.
0 – 2 in the winner/loser standings, imo.
It’s a no brainer that Haleigh looks exactly like Ron, so obviously he is the bio dad.
By even asking though, there must have been a rumor floating around that bio-mom was shagging with two fella’s when she got knocked up.
If true – it opens a new can of worms.
1. Who is it?
2. Are they the jelous type?
One thing that has bothered me for so long is the lack of empathy, towards Ron Cummings, from those who set the sting up that has put him behind bars for a large portion of his life.
I couldn’t have done it. If I knew he wasn’t involved in his daughters abduction/murder, there is no way I would have taken part in kicking him in the stomach when he was already on his knees.
The man may make some horrid choices in life but I don’t believe in kicking someone so hard when they are already down.
Random Thoughts said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
It’s a no brainer that Haleigh looks exactly like Ron, so obviously he is the bio dad.
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LOL, different perspectives, see I don’t think Haleigh looks anything at all like Ron.
If someone else is charged in Haleighs disappearance and is convicted then ron has paid a heavy penalty.
Imo, ron would have been behind bars by now if Haleigh hadn’t dissapeared. He was ‘the teflon ron’ until the sting. Not any more.
vaquera said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
JillF said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Simon – you really dropped a little bombshell at the end of your article! I didn’t know Ron being Haleigh’s father was in question. This story gets murkier and murkier. Poor Haleigh!
If there was any question to whom her daddy was, the Sheffields would have used that to get custody of Haleigh in 2005 and they didn’t.
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it’s not
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Right ON!!
Imo, also, I don’t think ron could have done ‘it’. I think he was at werk, but that’s based on what we know.
What we don’t know in this case would porbably change a lot of minds.
I think Ron’s last serious arrest was before he had custody of the children and was for pot. I think once he had custody of the children his infractions were for traffic and hunting violations.
Am I not remembering that correctly?
Random Thoughts 9:06 said:
One thing that has bothered me for so long is the lack of empathy, towards Ron Cummings, from those who set the sting up that has put him behind bars for a large portion of his life.
I couldn’t have done it. If I knew he wasn’t involved in his daughters abduction/murder, there is no way I would have taken part in kicking him in the stomach when he was already on his knees.
The man may make some horrid choices in life but I don’t believe in kicking someone so hard when they are already down
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This is what makes me wonder if LE thinks he’s not completely innocent regarding Haliegh’s case. If the only person they were trying to get was Misty, they would have figured out a way to do that. jmo
Thx. ID, you are right about the signatures of both parties. Forgot about that.
LadySadie: I don’t think Haleigh looks like RC either and don’t think looks are a determining factor or should even be considered. Many people have the same features, doesn’t mean they are kin to each other.
I wish he wasn’t her father ever! Poor little girl. Maybe that is why everything and everybody has been so hushed up these last few months.
And with custody of jr he sold pills to uc’s for the 5 charges.
rsndom thoughts
i think ron could very well have been in on setting misty up selling to undercover like his mother insinuated
i dont think the custody battle is proof positive that ron is haleigh’s dad. crystal could know there is a possibility he is not but because she was in love with ron did not want to admit that there is another possibility. the other man could be married or paying her not to speak, plus if i was crystal i would not have been anxious to tell ron he had been duped into believing haleigh was his and was not, can you imagine the rage?!
another thought, many here are dismissing the diea of ron not being haleighs dad as irrelevant, but it is not if it could bring in another possible motive.
can you imagine how all this tail chasing looks to the person or persons who actually know what happened to haleigh? ugggh! Oh and btw did TJBlows have anything valid to say other than swear words? I see reference to this poster, and even some name calling of him, but not his post?
Nope, mr ‘blows’ looks to have left the building.
i see that jaba, he must have been seriously offensive for jan to allow the name calling this time…thats what drew my attn to the absense of his posts
I have no doubt that Ron is the bio dad, at the same time I can see how much more distorted this has become. Somebody else on another site linked up Middleton as possible bio dad and said he was now living in Colorado. That child need to be found and somebody needs to start talking.
As for that journalist or whatever he is, can see who his sources were. He shaded a lot of his stories. Now, what great journalist in his right mind would lose disc information? and people wonder why we don’t hear from him like we used to, go back a few radio shows regarding this very thing. Cobra might be foul mouthed and animated, but I do believe him in what he set out to do, seems like somebody was always throwing obstructions his way, got him into trouble when he figured it out and nobody came to help him. some thanks, isn’t it
i thought tommy was being sentenced today
wow quiet
I’d like to hear from cobra on this first hand.
Think we will?
i doubt jan wouldve reported on it if cobra wasnt willing to talk about it
Tomorrow.
k im out 4 tonite nite jaba
Jnet said,in July 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm ME, I also agree with you, but must add I find this conversation disturbing at best.
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And I totally agree with the part you added…I also find it disturbing.
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LadySadie said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Random Thoughts said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
It’s a no brainer that Haleigh looks exactly like Ron, so obviously he is the bio dad.
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LOL, different perspectives, see I don’t think Haleigh looks anything at all like Ron.
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She looks like Teresa with some Crystal thrown in. Jr looks just like Crystal’s siblings when they were young. If anyone had seen Robbie’s picture from back would know Haleigh is not his
Random Thoughts said,in July 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm It’s a no brainer that Haleigh looks exactly like Ron, so obviously he is the bio dad.
By even asking though, there must have been a rumor floating around that bio-mom was shagging with two fella’s when she got knocked up.
If true – it opens a new can of worms.
1. Who is it?
2. Are they the jelous type?
One thing that has bothered me for so long is the lack of empathy, towards Ron Cummings, from those who set the sting up that has put him behind bars for a large portion of his life.
I couldn’t have done it. If I knew he wasn’t involved in his daughters abduction/murder, there is no way I would have taken part in kicking him in the stomach when he was already on his knees.
The man may make some horrid choices in life but I don’t believe in kicking someone so hard when they are already down.
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Great post and I totally agree.
Misty looks like gma hollers, imo.
Also Robbie Middleton lives in Gainesville.Here is his facebook
http://www.facebook.com/people/Robbie-Middleton/1222622118#!/profile.php?id=1222622118
Like I said you can look at him and know Haleigh is not his child.
tobias said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
I believe it was rumored to be a Middleton? The brother of a PCSD officer? hmmm.jmo
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Actually I believe Chris works for the state’s attorney office.
Jnet said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
I must be honest and I doubt it will be popular, however, Cobra’s intentions in this case have left me at times truly bewildered, If it had not been for Kim P and her hiring his services would his intent been the same? My understanding his involvement happened once Kim P hired him to investigate Ron… unfortunately IMHO potentially the interest of self promotion may have caused some issues regarding “bounty hunting” paid by Kim P and then the fall out of that broken relationship to appear a bit disingenuous. This is all just opinions, and I truly believe Cobra wanted to find the truth of HaLeigh, after he became connected and involved with this case. However I am not sure what he has been subjected to is any different than the “drug ring” facing insane sentencing as a muse, by LE to find out what happened to HaLeigh.
To bring in Ron’s paternity at this point, also confuses me, as to what is the purpose? IMHO, unless I read incorrectly, paternity has been proven.
Per Peter Hyatt, he is an investigator, deals with many attorneys and works for the government in the state of Maine, and is also a consultant on other high profile criminal cases, does he not have some contacts to assist Cobra with Cobra’s case?
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actually cobra was there first and brought in his friend Kim P whom he had known for years.
If I’m not mistaken he is a Detective for the State’s Attorneys office.
Thank you for clarifying Vaq, that certainly was not my understanding based on the videos and media blitz of Kim P or Cobra…I really thought Kim P was paying him and brought Cobra onto the case. I will look and listen to those again, I obviously missed something. Thanks for the heads up!
Jnet, Rev. Grund asked Cobra to go to Satsuma. Cobra then contacted KP, who he was/is friends with and asked her to come.
Jnet said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Thank you for clarifying Vaq, that certainly was not my understanding based on the videos and media blitz of Kim P or Cobra…I really thought Kim P was paying him and brought Cobra onto the case. I will look and listen to those again, I obviously missed something. Thanks for the heads up!
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Kim didn’t pay cobra she paid Art Harris to paint Crystal in a better light. Cobra also paid AH 5,000. AH got there the 11th and I think Kim got there around the 18th.
Again, I may be wrong WhyLie, I thought Peter Hyatt was an investigator for social services in the state of Maine, in my state it would be called DHSH however based on the last programs, I must be wrong about his credentials as he stated his involvement as an investigator is with out of state and in state cases and dialog with attorneys i.e. questioning of cases by attys I would assume prior to trial.
I am sorry if my cursory review is too cursory and I have misunderstood.
Hello all. I am just now getting to read through some of this.
WOW. My thoughts are that things began to happen when Cobra asked “who was Haleigh Cummings biological father”?, because either they thought he was trying to stir some trouble, or they already know the answer and it ain’t Ron.
Now, I know from experience that my cousin got pregnant from a ‘rape’. Her husband took her and the baby for what it was. When they divorced a few years later, she was really not able to care for the child, so her husband claimed the child as his own, since she didn’t want to name the rapist. The child can pass for his, for sure. The child looks more like my cousin though (she is a girl).
So, it’s VERY possible that Haleigh wasn’t Ron’s. It’s also possible that Crystal was raped and doesn’t know who the father was or maybe she does….maybe it was a politician’s son or ????.
In this case, Crystal wouldn’t be able to claim that stuff about the child support, etc. as Ron was found to be the better parent of the two. Crystal just plain doesn’t care. But this gives more fuel for the Sheffields to get Haliegh away. Maybe they are thinking..why should Crystal have to pay child support to him? Its really her kid, not his. Etc. Etc.
At any rate something got these people on the defense. I think they are worried that Cobra will uncover the truth. Can someone find out if Crystal filed any rape charges on anyone? Would that be public record?
Jnet, I meant Middleton is a Detective with the States Attorneys Office. I guess they call them Investigators though.
Not sure about Peter’s credentials, just know it has been said he is some kind of Investigator of something for the State of Maine.
From what Ive read and what Cobra validated it was Cobra who brought in KP. So many stories within stories on this, but I am wondering since all this talk of Cobra and KP paying AH hasn’t somehow brought his character into question with NG and bloggers in general? I would think her producers or whoever from CNN would pay their guest panelists for their tv airtime on each of their thoughts or ideas, but did he cross the journalistic line by getting paid all away around?
Maybe CS tried to play both men as far as which one is biodad. Too much crazy things in this.
Where is that missing little girl by the name of Haleigh?
If AH crossed the line then the rest of them have too! After all, they hired him!
And as for paternity, I doubt Ron would have kept quiet if in fact he was not daddy or questioned that baby’s paternity. LE would have known, didn’t they take DNA from them both? I don’t believe that they didn’t do any testing, given the bitter situation the families have going on.
Just stumbled across this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGk06y5NEL4
“Werter’s” comments:
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“Because he and Joe were not there to steal the gun. I’m sorry that I can’t comment further. But you’re right as to the law. If ANYONE dies in the course of a felony, murder would be the appropriate charge.”
werterlaw 1 hour ago
Vaquera – wrong, again.
They searched a river, you’d think dna matching would have been looked with all that swirls around this case. I wish I knew all of what le has and has done.
Cent, if it was a case of rape (could be she knew the guy or didn’t) or a case of her not knowing who it was due to so many guys, its possible that Ron accepted her as his child for the purpose of her having a father named. So there would of been no testing. (read my post above, my cousin was in this situation).
LE took DNA for the crime of Haleigh missing, not a paternity test.
Simon, hopefully exposing those who are trying to pull one on Cobra, will make them think twice.
‘THE’ KP?
KP said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Vaquera – wrong, again.
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LOL!
Jaba – Yes.
What are you all talking about? KP? The KP? Who is wrong?
Hey Guys!!!!!!!!
Wow, 2 celebs in one post.
Kp, would you be willing to bring us up to speed on your view of this case?
Ah, THE KP.
So KP, tell us just what vaquera is wrong about, who brought whom to Satsuma, or who paid or didn’t pay Cobra and the bald wonder.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 5th, 2010 at 11:21 pm If AH crossed the line then the rest of them have too! After all, they hired him!
And as for paternity, I doubt Ron would have kept quiet if in fact he was not daddy or questioned that baby’s paternity. LE would have known, didn’t they take DNA from them both? I don’t believe that they didn’t do any testing, given the bitter situation the families have going on.
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Right Adams,and if they had known that,the sheffs would have had Haleigh!
That would have been what they needed! jmo
Is that really you, cj?
Make that 3 on one post.
Gotta catch up,LoL
If there was the slightest chance that Robbie was Haleighs father, Crystal would have been all over it, latching onto that name, her family would have seen to it.
Seems something upset the politicos about Cobra asking that question.
That didn’t last long.
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Kp??
I would like to know just who Cobra supposedly asked that question of. Sorry, I just can’t see somebody marching into the SA’s office asking who Haleigh’s bio father is. That makes no sense to me at all.
Don’t leave now KP! We’d love to get your take on this!
jaba said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
That didn’t last long.
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Maybe her computer got hacked again.
Maybe KP gave Cobra some info to make him ask this question?
JenM, that rumor was floating around the net before KP and Cobra were ever in Satsuma. Somebody saw that Ron had a charge of assault on Robbie and the posters took that info and ran with it, as we have seen happen time and again on blogs.
She just had to post, didn’t she?
Couldn’t resist.
I wonder if we will hear more?
CathyJo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So nice to see you! Hope you enjoyed your July 4th!
And ITA with you that if it were true, they would have found her by now.
Why lie, what rumor are you referring to? ?
Jaba: and you are the only individual permitted to post on this website? Believe me, I don’t run from many.
WhyLie: you have no idea the things we went through during the case. The hacking comment is really not amusing.
JenM, The rumor that Ron is not Haleigh’s father, that Robbie is.
Me, if what were true they would of found her by now?
WL,
Didn’t know that happened before.
Yes I Did me,a perty gooden’ lol
It’s so good to see ya,Thanks for asking about me??
feel kinda special……lol
But I promised Haleigh I’d be here and truth is,This is our home till that happens,lol
Blonde moment,ITA?
Why lie, I don’t even know who Robbie is, so it must of been someone else who posted that comment about it. That’s the first Ive heard of it really.
KP, I didn’t mean for it to be amusing, otherwise I would have added a smiley face.
Kp, not at all.
Please fill us in on your view of the case if you aren’t a ‘runner’. Pleas do. We’d love to hear it.
JenM said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Cent, if it was a case of rape (could be she knew the guy or didn’t) or a case of her not knowing who it was due to so many guys, its possible that Ron accepted her as his child for the purpose of her having a father named. So there would of been no testing. (read my post above, my cousin was in this situation).
LE took DNA for the crime of Haleigh missing, not a paternity test.
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Yes, I know WHY they say they took the DNA, doesn’t mean that they didn’t do any other testing. I just doubt Ron would be accepting of another man’s child.
KP said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
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you’re giving your ex-buddy Pirate more ammunition.
OJ, I beleive it is about KP. Who else would it be?
KP said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Vaquera – wrong, again.
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wrong about what?
JenM, it is in reference to the comment in the article that Simon wrote, about Ron not being Haleigh’s father. Cobra asking questions, people in higher places not wanting him to ask that question.
O wowww,I am honored, so good to see you oJ!!! lOl
Me,how was your 4th??
Lori said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am
KP said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
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you’re giving your ex-buddy Pirate more ammunition.
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Well KP if you are talking about you bringing cobra in you better take it up with cobra because he said he brought you in.If you are talking about paying Art, wasn’t that in your rebuttal??
WL, right, but I didn’t comment on anyone named Robbie. It could be anyone.
Don’t start trouble OJ. It was about KP and you know it so stop.
Kim, what do you think of this cockamamie story about Robbie Middleton being Haleigh’s father??
Hi KP!!!
JenM, Robbie is a Middleton. Chris Middleton is an Investigator for the SA’s office. Family connection.
KP: did you mean this was wrong? If so, why?
Vaquera said (10:48):
Kim didn’t pay cobra she paid Art Harris to paint Crystal in a better light. Cobra also paid AH 5,000. AH got there the 11th and I think Kim got there around the 18th
WhyLie said,in July 5th, 2010 at 11:48 pm jaba said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
That didn’t last long.
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Maybe her computer got hacked again.
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LOL! Post of the day.
Actually,seeing you guys in here is better than a dang ole firewErk!!!!!!! LoL
me, LOL
jaba said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
She just had to post, didn’t she?
Couldn’t resist.
I wonder if we will hear more?
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If it’s really Kim of course you will hear more. She is quite chatty
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am JenM said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Cent, if it was a case of rape (could be she knew the guy or didn’t) or a case of her not knowing who it was due to so many guys, its possible that Ron accepted her as his child for the purpose of her having a father named. So there would of been no testing. (read my post above, my cousin was in this situation).
LE took DNA for the crime of Haleigh missing, not a paternity test.
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Yes, I know WHY they say they took the DNA, doesn’t mean that they didn’t do any other testing. I just doubt Ron would be accepting of another man’s child.
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I’d bet on it Adams,lol
JenM said,in July 5th, 2010 at 11:57 pm Me, if what were true they would of found her by now?
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If LE knew that Middleton was the father. If he “stole” her or they had reason to believe it was a chance, they would have investigated him, imo.
Lori: As if that blogger would raise my eyebrows? I think not.
My view of the case? The family will not ever again watch their baby girl grow up. Junior will not play again with his sister. And there are those that can bring some closure to this family’s nightmare who would prefer to continue to thumb their noses at law enforcement. That’s what I think. Same thing as when I was in the case. Same perps)/accomplice(s), same noses. Hopefully in time they will break. And Robbie M. is not Haleigh’s father. Ron is. Confirmed. This is simply ridiculous. I can’t believe you guys would buy that. Like I wouldn’t have gone there? You guys have never underestimated me before, don’t start now.
CathyJo, yes I believe LE heard the rumors and investigated… so why bring it up?
CathyJo63 said,in July 5th, 2010 at 11:59 pm Yes I Did me,a perty gooden’ lol
It’s so good to see ya,Thanks for asking about me??
feel kinda special……lol
But I promised Haleigh I’d be here and truth is,This is our home till that happens,lol
Blonde moment,ITA?
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ITA = I totally agree
Hopefully they find Haleigh soon. I have my fingers crossed they’ll get some new LE involved and we might get some answers. Where is Haleigh???
I think that was all she had to say. Certainly an attorney knows its not in her best interest to answer these questions becasue of the possible answers.
I guess that’s whu you don’t run from many, just a few.
Still time to talk…
Thanks WL. I kept looking for that name in the article, so wasn’t sure. Heck, it could very well be the politician himself and not his son.
Anyway, the only reason I can think of that a question like that would upset anyone, is that they are afraid he will uncover what they have kept covered.
As far as Ron not accepting another man’s child, well, maybe it was the politician or his son and they paid off the folks who did the testing to say it was Ron’s child. You never know…….What does KP think about that?
It really doesn’t worry me about who her bio Father is,If another man was then where has he been while Ron raised Haleigh!
Through being adopted,I learned that blood doesn’t matter,Ron was her Father…jmo
She just came to run up the post count, I guess, what else is provided?
KP said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:09 am
Lori: As if that blogger would raise my eyebrows? I think not.
My view of the case? The family will not ever again watch their baby girl grow up. Junior will not play again with his sister. And there are those that can bring some closure to this family’s nightmare who would prefer to continue to thumb their noses at law enforcement. That’s what I think. Same thing as when I was in the case. Same perps)/accomplice(s), same noses. Hopefully in time they will break. And Robbie M. is not Haleigh’s father. Ron is. Confirmed. This is simply ridiculous. I can’t believe you guys would buy that. Like I wouldn’t have gone there? You guys have never underestimated me before, don’t start now.
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Did you read all the posts where most don’t believe it? it’s more than ridiculous.
Well KP I certainly did not underestimate that you would have gone there.
I do have a question for you, though if you don’t mind. Why did you not insist that your team, LE, somebody, search Shell Harbor after Cobra was told by Ron about the story that Tommy told about Joe’s comments about Shell Harbor?
KP said,in July 5th, 2010 at 11:56 pm Jaba: and you are the only individual permitted to post on this website?
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Not yet, but she’s working on it…just kidding of course.
Anyhow, KP, hope you enjoyed your holiday. What’s inspired you to post with us tonight? Can you please share your thoughts on this article…I’m sure many would like to hear them.
She might be an attorney, but she really might help to shed some light here (possibly?). Please don’t run her off tonight. I don’t post often because some bloggers here get carried away, but this is the best blog (really!) on the Haleigh case around, so don’t push away people who could really contribute!! Please!!
me said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:10 am
ITA,LMBO!!!!
Toldya,blonde moment! Now it makes sense,lol
Yea Me,I keep mine crossed!!!!!!!!!!!
Little Bear said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:14 am
She might be an attorney, but she really might help to shed some light here (possibly?). Please don’t run her off tonight. I don’t post often because some bloggers here get carried away, but this is the best blog (really!) on the Haleigh case around, so don’t push away people who could really contribute!! Please!!
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No one can run Kim away…believe me.
LoL LittleBear!
It is a good blog!
Root,
Don’t waste keystrokes on it. Its in keeping with past behavior. Just let jan and simon deal with ‘em.
vaquera said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:16 am
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LOL.
Well maybe now that she does not have a client to protect she can shed some “honest” light on the case.
Vaquera, Ok, lol! She can hold her own!!(you, too, lol)
I mean, ask good questions, since we have her here.
LOL Kim, I know you aren’t scared of that blogger. Just teasing you.
I also wonder why now on the Middleton stuff. It’s not news to anyone who followed this case from the beginning. Cobra implied, if not outright stated, this on Simon’s show.
On your views, was Cousin Joe on your radar seriously? I remember the Misty/WBG statements from you but I don’t ever remember hearing rumors about Tommy. I personally think Tommy is every bit as involved as JO, if not more. And Cobra called Tommy his hero on the show for saving his life.
Cobra really needs to reevaluate his criteria for hero status.
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:02 am Lori said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am
KP said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
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you’re giving your ex-buddy Pirate more ammunition.
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Now that’s not funny! LOL. I was one of the lucky recipients of messages from Pirate and BadMe. Very very strange times indeed.
me said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:19 am
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:02 am Lori said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am
KP said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
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you’re giving your ex-buddy Pirate more ammunition.
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Now that’s not funny! LOL. I was one of the lucky recipients of messages from Pirate and BadMe. Very very strange times indeed.
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and the still are
Me,
I’m not going to take the bait so don’t try.
Vaquera: Let me make this perfectly clear: I did not pay Art Harris. I did provide funds to support Cobra while he was on the case. I was in Satsuma on March 13th. I would ask Art for general advice regarding timing of releases of info to the media, etc. We had a good and trusted relationship. He would demand triple confirmation of my team’s info, and never worked for or favored our side of the table. He would often publish unfavorable articles about my client, as well as about the Cummings. He simply was able to obtain more info from me regarding the Father’s side due to my releases to him. If Ron’s attorneys had investigators in town discovering facts about Crystal, and released credible info to Art, he would have published that as well. Many times he did come upon disparaging information about my client, and it was published in his articles. If I saw something I could verify was incorrect, I would and would ask him to correct it – as I would every other journalist on the planet. I protected my client. That was my job. Art was absolutely unbiased – he just wanted credible food for his articles. That is his job, and how he earns a living. I never paid Art Harris. Not a dime.
me said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:19 am
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That’s what happens when you hang out in places like WS who have nothing but top notch monitors to keep things in control. LOL.
I must have read your rebuttal wrong or misremembered..mea culpa.
Rofl Me,That’s funny,I don’t care who ye are thats funny!
Dang KP, you made me spit my pepsi all over my screen with that post. Geeez!
vaquera said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Did you read all the posts where most don’t believe it? it’s more than ridiculous.
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ITA. Another sad side show.
I think its possible that someone could of doctored those results of the test to cover their political azz.
First hand info…finally! What a welcome sight.
Thx kp.
Always another sideshow… and I guess it’s timed perfectly for someone!
Sad but true, me.
LoL Adams!
KP: I believe Ron is Haleigh’s father, and I understand your frustration about the subject, but, for the sake of “evidence” to clear the matter up once and for all, was a DNA test ever run?
Regarding the question regarding a search of Shell Harbor, I cannot comment on that.
Regarding Joe being on the radar, absolutely. I have more boxes and databases of investigative material on that individual than any other. I wanted to get to any person that guy had ever spoken to, partied with, passed by, or looked at in town. LE does not need any more theories. They need a break in the silence.
vaquera said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:20 am me said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:19 am
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:02 am Lori said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am
KP said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
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you’re giving your ex-buddy Pirate more ammunition.
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Now that’s not funny! LOL. I was one of the lucky recipients of messages from Pirate and BadMe. Very very strange times indeed.
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Yep, that’s for sure!
CathyJo,
I sit back and watch, then tell the truth!
Kim, I just don’t think Tommy was an innocent party to whatever JO did, IF anything at all.
KP, I remember you at one time saying that you believed that Joe was not involved.
Thank you for acknowledging my question about Shell Harbor even if you can’t answer it.
I don’t believe Joe is involved at all. I think it is all Tommy.
Little Bear: No. There was an acknowledgement by both parents, which is reflected in public records. However, it would have been physically impossible for Robbie to have been the Father. I discussed this issue at length to several media outlets during the case. This was a mistaken leak in false information, I counldn’t shut it down fast enough, and it grew legs. Like much of what I’ve read on the case.
Why did I decide to come here tonight? Bill sent me the article (of course). Then Vaquera pissed me off. That’s why.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:31 am CathyJo,
I sit back and watch, then tell the truth!
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Don’t think I don’t know it too Adams?? LoL
KP, what is your take on Misty… involved or being used?
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:22 am me said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:19 am
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LMAO!!! So many witty comments tonight! Again, so true.
It’s usually in the time of need! lol Adams!
So, if no paternity test was done, it could of been from a rape (known or unknown person) or a question of multiple partners.
Whatever your reason for being here, pissed or not, we all here just want justice for Haleigh. So we appreciate all parties involved checking in on us!
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:24 am Dang KP, you made me spit my pepsi all over my screen with that post. Geeez!
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OMG! LOL! LOL!
Kim, seems like Cobra is a continuing source of this misinformation if this article is factual. Does he say he was misunderstood?
KP said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am Little Bear: No. There was an acknowledgement by both parents, which is reflected in public records. However, it would have been physically impossible for Robbie to have been the Father. I discussed this issue at length to several media outlets during the case. This was a mistaken leak in false information, I counldn’t shut it down fast enough, and it grew legs. Like much of what I’ve read on the case.
Why did I decide to come here tonight? Bill sent me the article (of course). Then Vaquera pissed me off. That’s why.
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Better than being pissed on,rofl j/k
I always do that not cause you are new,it’s just me!
So please don’t think that,I enjoy yakkin with most people,LoL
Little Bear said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:35 am Whatever your reason for being here, pissed or not, we all here just want justice for Haleigh. So we appreciate all parties involved checking in on us!
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Amen!!!!!!! I enjoy new info! LoL
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:26 am Always another sideshow… and I guess it’s timed perfectly for someone!
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Interesting….I think you are right….are we being diverted from something else? Wouldn’t surprise me.
KP said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Little Bear: No. There was an acknowledgement by both parents, which is reflected in public records. However, it would have been physically impossible for Robbie to have been the Father. I discussed this issue at length to several media outlets during the case. This was a mistaken leak in false information, I counldn’t shut it down fast enough, and it grew legs. Like much of what I’ve read on the case.
Why did I decide to come here tonight? Bill sent me the article (of course). Then Vaquera pissed me off. That’s why.
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I pissed you off? Too funny. 8)
pissed or not? ROFL!
Good one,i read it and posted and then I thought,hey thats funny,LoL
Me,
Yes I think so… and KP is right on target… with peeps falling for it!
Yeah, reminds me of the woman who claimed an affair with George A. to divert the attention off of Casey and what was happening.
But, why would politicos use that question to divert the attention by starting trouble with Cobra?
KP said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:29 am Regarding the question regarding a search of Shell Harbor, I cannot comment on that.
Regarding Joe being on the radar, absolutely. I have more boxes and databases of investigative material on that individual than any other. I wanted to get to any person that guy had ever spoken to, partied with, passed by, or looked at in town. LE does not need any more theories. They need a break in the silence.
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IMO, they’ve got to stop looking for the easy way out and do some real investigating. Most perps don’t “break the silence” and confess and LE shouldn’t count on that. They should be gathering evidence, and if they can’t find any, they ought to look in some other directions.
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Shoot,that night BlStarke came in she barely left with skin,I like new info,Even if it ‘s off the wall to others b/c the what in this case hasn’t been off the wall!
KP said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Why did I decide to come here tonight? Bill sent me the article (of course). Then Vaquera pissed me off. That’s why.
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WTH?????
So, if she does it more often, will you come back and visit more?
Kp, do you think ron was at werk all night that night?
LoL Me!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Me,
Yes I think so… and KP is right on target… with peeps falling for it!
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Anyone who has dug into this case for the 17 months wouldn’t fall for it..
If I were Crystal I would be pissed that he keeps repeating this same story about Robbie Middleton being Haleigh’s father.
KP are you still here? If so, IIRC the last time you popped in it was because Cobra informed you of another article about him… What gives??
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am Me,
Yes I think so… and KP is right on target… with peeps falling for it!
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Yep. It’s all very interesting.
me said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:45 am
KP said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Why did I decide to come here tonight? Bill sent me the article (of course). Then Vaquera pissed me off. That’s why.
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WTH?????
So, if she does it more often, will you come back and visit more?
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You want me to piss her off some more?
Vaq, so would I!!!
I would like to know what KP thinks of NG?
I can answer the misty question:
she was not involved…
stranger abduction imvho
JenM said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am Yeah, reminds me of the woman who claimed an affair with George A. to divert the attention off of Casey and what was happening.
But, why would politicos use that question to divert the attention by starting trouble with Cobra?
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I don’t care much for Gouge,but how could he have one,they even followed to his hotel!
Everywhere he went theres a cam!
OJ, we know your feelings/thoughts on Misty!!
The 911 call was staged.
vaquera said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:47 am me said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:45 am
KP said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Why did I decide to come here tonight? Bill sent me the article (of course). Then Vaquera pissed me off. That’s why.
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WTH?????
So, if she does it more often, will you come back and visit more?
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Aye captain! If that’s what it takes…lol. But beware of the Pirates out there!
I think Mistys innocent too Oj,But imo she is protecting Ron….jmo
I don’t understand how it would effect a politician negatively that much. I thought it was like the younger brother of future politician or something. However maybe Cobra might know the answer to whoever Haleigh’s father truly is. I think he said he got Ron’s DNA from the iced tea cup. I don’t think it would have been hard for him to get Crystals. Haleigh’s would have been tough to get but maybe he got it from something. Heck maybe he knows the answer he always talks a lot about this DNA stuff.
jaba said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:52 am The 911 call was staged
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I totally disagree.
Right,Jaba. Redirect: KP, do you believe the 911 call was staged?
Lori: Bill is a man of many theories. Bill knows what the truth is, and what is BS. If Simon needs more hits here, he got it, huh?
We investigated Joe as much as possible. I often changed my mind about possible suspects, as new information arose. Opinions and theories change as information gets confirmed, or more credible information becomes available. Otherwise, we’d be idiots, correct?
Ronald Cummings is the Father of Haleigh Cummings. I specialize in child custody cases – I’ve been doin’ this a long time.
Well, a really close buddy of mine just sent me an email screaming for me to get off the net. He’s a trusted friend, and I usually defer to his better judgment. I believe once again, I will heed his solid advice. Maybe he’ll come in to take over. Nite all.
*God Bless Haleigh Cummings*
I ain’t afraid of no Pirates
Nitey night, Kim. Thanks for dropping by and I didn’t mean to piss you off.
It would take a numb skull to take a chance like that married to SINdy!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!!
Billybob said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:53 am
he said he got Ron’s DNA from the iced tea cup.
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Not laughing at you Billybob but LOL. I had forgotten Cobra said that. Oh my gosh, LOL.
vaquera said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:54 am I ain’t afraid of no Pirates
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LOL. I think the old Pirate left the KP ship some time ago. But I fear there are new ones out there captain!
Night, KP! Stop in again (and hopefully answer my last question, lol).
Vaquera: Heh heh…sure you don’t. (-; Nite.
Kp has left the buidling.
Thx for the info kp.
Good night KP. Thanks for your input.
Well, it’s probably all good if kept a secret, but if it leaks out that the real father is someone else, then that could put a negative spin on their campaign, especially if that someone is them (or their son). Im sure some politician’s wife wouldn’t be too happy.
And if Crystal was told to keep quiet or else, she wouldn’t of ever told. She could of easily been convinced, maybe even threatened.
Or like I said earlier, maybe she was raped and it was swept under the table.
Lord Yea,Thanks for saving the day! hm
I really didn’t. I do kind of like you. LOL
All very unpleasant and unsettling!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:56 am Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!!
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Yep. Hmmmmmmmmmm. I expect more visitors here shortly.
And unfortunately I have to go out for a short while…arrgh…bbs.
Little Bear: staged by those heard speaking with the dispatcher? Yes. By LE? Not a chance. Nite, again. I’m half asleep.
Jen,if she was raped,why would he not be in jail?? I noticed you,I believe say that twice? so I am curious?
JenM, Ron is Haleigh’s father. That is all just an ugly rumor that sadly is part of the circus of this case.
I meant by those heard speaking with the dispatcher. Thanks, KP!
Tommy will be sentenced in a few hours. I’m anxious to see how that turns out.
Awww I bet ya are Kp! Goodnite!!!!
In my post above, I told of a family situation that is just like that. Not all rapists are caught.
Wow, seems like KP is of the opinion that the 911 was staged? I definitely do Not agree with that at all.
Night Kim. Take care and God Bless Haleigh.
And yep, the hits came.
jaba, my moneys on 15-30.
IMO Ron may not be much but he was Haleighs dad!
The only one she knew!It’s cruel for people to start investigating that seriously,sure rumors fly all the time and we discuss them but for someone to have said that to get it started is just cruel!
Wouldn’t be in jail either if it was a politico or a politico relative…money talks.
In other words,bringing it up now,whats the purpose? It’s not going to find Haleigh!
Ron and misty lied on the 911 call.
There is no PROOF that Ron is the biological father. There was no paternity test. We have an opinion that he is the father.
Simon reports that this was the topic that Cobra brought up that got the politicos upset.
Little HaLeigh has been used!!
JenM said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:04 am In my post above, I told of a family situation that is just like that. Not all rapists are caught.
Wow, seems like KP is of the opinion that the 911 was staged? I definitely do Not agree with that at all.
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Oh Ok,I gotcha,lol I don’t know how i missed that part,sorry!!
But yes it happens,I was just curious if you knew something I didn’t,LoL
I really should have said.. continues to be used!!
I know it probably won’t help find Haleigh, but the article was about Cobra being a victim and Simon said, “He asked questions that were embarrassing to the politicos, and they are not going to let it drop. I’ll go so far as to share the question that started this whole disaster, who was Haleigh Cummings biological father? ”
That’s why it was brought up.
Yes Adams,and What a shame!!!
Why come frwd with it now even if ron isn’t! unless you want proceeds too???
Whylie,
I’ll take 10 – 15. But if he gets more I wouldn’t be surprised. He’s a ‘career’ criminal and would be to this day if not in jail.
Just wonder if he harmed Haleigh over at the mh with misty and/or joe.
JenM said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:05 am Wouldn’t be in jail either if it was a politico or a politico relative…money talks
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You got that right!!!!!!!
lol, no, I wish I knew something about why this is. I was just thinking of a family situation in where this is the case. I imagine it might be more common than we know?
CS was young, pregnant and with Ron. She wouldn’t want him to think Haleigh was someone else’s. This is who she wanted to be with. If she said she slept with someone else, he would leave her flat. If she says she was raped, then he wouldn’t want to raise someone elses kid, so she kept quiet.
It’s possible, but who knows for sure.
CathyJo,
It’s troubling to me that so many people are looking the other way. It’s sad, cause I think it’s on purpose.
Right Jen,I ain’t knocking you,lol I hope you don’t think that!
I am saying the very first person who ever thought to say that,lol in other words i guess,who told Cobra,who told the other,lol see
I can’t ask properly at times,hillbillyism i guess……why I lean on these guys,lol
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:10 am I really should have said.. continues to be used!!
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I feel ya!!
I had a feeling this was bound to happen when I read the article. She changed nics though. There is something awfully fishy about her timing though, considering the topic being discussed. Is she not breaking attorney client privilege and ethics violations for blogging on this forum in an ongoing investigation, one that she was privy to?
This is very suspicious to me. JMO
jaba, I am beginning to think he, TC, may have taken Haleigh over to his parent’s house, which is around the corner from Shell Harbor. Lisa and Hank were not there that night, they were at the hospital.
Sure,its on purpose,and its disrespectful,most of all for Haleigh!
Yep, I see. I just try and think from the person’s mind, what they might do in the situation or if it was me in the situation.
I think a young girl who is screwing around while with Ron, isn’t going to tell him, first off, and isn’t going to shame herself either into being dumped on her own with a baby. Ron was her chance at having a life with a hubby and kids, etc. If it was a politico, what would she get? Lots of trouble then and in the future. No daddy for the baby and nobody would want her and a baby either. She was young…choices. Just my thoughts.
You and most of us here right now too Robin!!!
Kim has been posting on forums since last summer.
WL…hmmmm…good thought, its possible.
I wonder what man emailed her to get off the blog? Someone who reads here also?
hmmmmmmm me/stares into space!
Wow, forgot that the house was empty (hanksr and lisa at the hospital). That would of been a perfect place to do something unnoticed. Yikes.
I was thinking Jeremiah, but who knows. LOL
Bet I pissed her off again
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:17 am jaba, I am beginning to think he, TC, may have taken Haleigh over to his parent’s house, which is around the corner from Shell Harbor. Lisa and Hank were not there that night, they were at the hospital.
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I thought they lived next door to Marvin Martin
Outta millions in the world i couldn’t guess!
Billybob said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 1:24 am
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:17 am jaba, I am beginning to think he, TC, may have taken Haleigh over to his parent’s house, which is around the corner from Shell Harbor. Lisa and Hank were not there that night, they were at the hospital.
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I thought they lived next door to Marvin Martin
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They did at one time but live over by the dock when Haleigh went missing.
allz I know is the last few secomds have certainly enlightened me,lol
@vaquera
nope. I’d roll over and tell her to get off the damn computer. nice guess though.
Stay cool.
vaquera said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 1:23 am
I was thinking Jeremiah, but who knows. LOL
Bet I pissed her off again
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Who woulda thunk! LOL
vaquera said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:25 am
They did at one time but live over by the dock when Haleigh went missing.
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Please, do you know the street address?
Billybob I think it is Magnolia DR. I can’t remember the numerical.
WL, whats numerical? LOL! Sorry, had to bite on that one.
I’ll just be honest here,theres certainly something going on up in here!
JenM said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 1:39 am
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LOL, I thought about it after I hit send.
That was my very thought to Jen! LoL
WhyLie said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 1:38 am
Billybob I think it is Magnolia DR. I can’t remember the numerical.
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Numerical? Whats that?
I’m not sure, let me ask Misty, she should know.
Thanks WhyLie and vaquera
I bet there is a 10% chance out of 100 that she knows. That would make that about 9,500, right?
No Joke though guys,IMHO that was the only part of the 911 call that was real!!!!!!
did you hear the tone in her voice right at that very second,normal as could be!
Ohhhhh!!
because she didn’t know what it meant!
Threw her off script,so to speak…….jmo
why would misty know?.. she was asleep
I think the 911 call was real.
I myself probably wouldn’t have!! I would now!
OJ… what DOES Misty know?
Right, her voice does change.
Nite all.
OJ,I am certain she was!!!
Thats why it was scripted! jmo
Gnite Jen!
Nite JenM!
JenM said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:47 am I think the 911 call was real.
Yea me too, REAL FAKE!!
Billybob, the address Hank and Lisa were living at when Haleigh disappeared is
130 Magnolia Drive
Satsuma
There are alot of “Magnolia’s” in Putnam Co., so it was difficult to pin it down but once the search was done at Shell Harbour and local residents stated that is where they lived in media reports that’s all I needed for confirmation.
IMVHO She was not saying hope,she was saying Ohhh…….if you listen to the 911 call with the background noise taken out,you can hear it,thats why imo too that they hung the phone up twice,ron was forcing her,probably had her by the hair….he got scared she was about to screw it up,smacked her around abit no doubt and called back! jmo tho,and i do believe that!
LoL @ Disagree,
“real fake”
Okay, CathyJo… I’ll go with that scenario. LOL! You are so vivid with it!! I am actually picturing it in my head~ Sorta forcing me to believe it!!
She was trying to follow what he told her to say,the script…….she sounds very odd and then they asked her numerical and she didn’t get it? thats the one thing they didn’t practice,they didn’t know they’d ask her that….and you can tell,her voice is just as normal as ours then! jmo but only on that one ???
OMG,I don’t wanna force ya,lol but honest I do!!!!!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:48 am OJ… what DOES Misty know?
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she said all she knows.. “I woke up and haleigh was gone” thats it. She has said on the record look at the other side of the family and to check out tommy.. the other stories “put up with a knife” and such where squeezed out of her by LE torture like pressure tactics. LE wanted stories, they got them. It was LE that muddied the waters with these bogus stories that they were told to “stop the torture”.
He was in the background screaming,then he says he never said all that!
he terrified her!!! and she knew he’d do it!
Thats cause the man in black took her,who else would turn on light,have a key,prop the door so not to be so noisy,bend down low to the floor to pick Haleigh up and not 2-3 ft?
from Misty,knew her sleeping habit???
he knew Misty didn’t know? she didn’t know!
Then he makes her believe it was somebody else a drug dealer,the black man he brainwashed her into believeing was true,she told Hank,a guy at a gas stn came up to ron and said he could get Haleigh back? and how ron always bragged to even her that he was a big dealer,this is a teenager,its easy to brainwash her!
he went off on her,made her call 911….she also said she listened to TN and Ron about what to say??
what he did with her I don’t have a clue and I’m glad I don’t! sommin went down!!!!!
Well Champs, I’m gonna turn in… atleast try to, 3rd night up in a row!
so thats why,the ld guy said,why do i get that you’re holding something,you know more,would ron harm his daughter,she came right off of that seat to say no thats ronald heart,why,b/c by granny she’d better be convincing!
and i’d bet ron told her the guy took Haleigh and he could get her back,but Misty was never to tell that??? and she didn’t,others did!
k night night Adams,sweet dreams!!!!!!
and before its over,I believe we will find that rons werk alibi wasn’t released for that purpose and its why Misty holds the key! but jm crazy opinion!
I’m out..gnite all
me tooooo,Gnite Oj!
Hmmmmm, interesting night, LOL.
So who to believe, who to believe, this “KP” or Cobra? Well even if it is THE “KP”, (and its going to take a bit more to convince me, especially after the bar complaint regarding just this type of behavior), totally unprofessional behavior on her part if it is, so just based on that, not withstanding everything else learned about Cobra – I go with Cobra!
So that goes to what is the real purpose of a supposed “KP” coming out now making remarks on an article questioning the paternity of Haleigh. Sure makes you wonder.
But hey, the one thing I did agree with this “KP” about, the 911 call was definitely scripted and staged.
Ahhh, but Simon (especially being that he was in the computer industry for so long) would be able to at least tell where this “KP’s” IP address is from. So I am sure that if her former “clients” have a concern regarding unprofessional conduct that information can requested.
LOL, people have questioned Werter’s handling of Tommy’s case, can you imagine being one of KP’s clients if the “KP” that came on here last night is the real deal? Personally if turns out to be true I would take 10 Werter’s over 1 KP that would breach professional conduct in such a way.
LadySadie,
I’m pretty sure KP was “the KP”….lol. She’s posted with us here quite a few times before.
We’ll see ole tommys outcome today…as well as lindsy lohan. I wonder if they know each other?
If only one person in the whole family was credible. I think Misty was probably terrified of what happened, then terrified of Ron when he got home. She could have called 911 on her own. Can’t figure out if she was even home at the time or did she walk in and Ron was there? We don’t know. Too many fingers in this story, right down to the phone calls to FH. How is it that 2 people call their grandmother 15 minutes apart with almost the same story to share? Were they coached in what to say? To see if they could draw out a suspect? They could have called anyone that day, why FH?
Was it ever exposed who planted the supposed evidence in the Sheffield camp; keys, toys, glove? Bad enough a child went missing and presumed dead, worse when everybody gets into the act to try and deviate what really went on. What was the real purpose for planting those items? It makes absolutely no sense when both families are worried and the side you’d think would have nothing to offer, comes up with all this danged planted stuff, better yet cops dismissed the items as well. Why?
There is more to this than a bunch of dopers out for a good time and getting a little wired up.
By their description, Bounty Hunters are not wimpy Casper Milktoast personalities. In order to hunt someone down and get the goods on them or turn them in to LE, they are a little rough around the edges and tougher than most with a language that might offend some. If I needed someone found, I would be looking for a Cobra for sure. And they are likely to step on some Florsheim toes along the way. If someone has nothing to hide, they are safe and secure. If they are hiding something, then the sun will set finding them directly in Cobra’s field of vision. Go Cobra and I wish you only the best.
Kath
I have a question. Didn’t KP and Cobra have a fallen out? If so, then why would he tell her to come look at this article and comments? If I am not mistaken, he did the same thing the last time she posted, then she proceeds to start posting comments and asking questions. She is no longer Crystal’s attorney of record so why keep insinuating herself in this case? Her motives are suspect and I am beginning to think Cobra’s are too (even though I have respect for him for searching for Haleigh and trying to find answers). There is something not right here. Why question Ron’s paternity now when this can be easily verified? This would be one of things I would get straight with my client before starting a search or an investigation until I knew the real story. Like I said, there is something going on here and all their motives are suspect. JMO
I meant answering questions not asking them (about KP).
Usually an attorney who is no longer on a case cannot and should not talk when there is an on-going investigation. Ive heard so many stories, Cobra is suiing KP, KP and Cobra are together suiing somebody in some class action lawsuit. Who knows anymore. I do think their intentions were good at the start, turned to a ball of confusion.
poc.
What about Haleigh? This is about a missing little girl, remember? If somebody knows something, just say the danged truth and shame the devil-No holds barred. Get it out, over and done with.
Guess Tommy is in the waiting tank for his appearance. smile purty for the camera
Robin,
Hmmmmm… it makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
LOL, Robin, bac & LadyDay, I would say there is a lot “suspect” about the postings last night. Of course jmo
Agreeing with you Robin. All this makes everyone wonder. DNA info has been floating out in cyberland for almost a year, but we hear nothing. Maybe it is better that way. Everyone else is making this all too difficult. I think there are ulterior motives.
LadySadie and Doris–Thank you so much. I am just glad that someone shares the same opinion. I just don’t know what to make of it but it does make you wonder sometimes. I hope you both have a great day and I will be back later to hear of Tommy’s sentencing.
Didn’t someone claim that this case would make them all very rich? Who said it? Motive for getting involved. What missing child?
Just think today might be the last time we see Tommy Boy until at least 2025. Awwww. Hand me a hankie would you?
Hank Croslin To Be Sentenced On Drug Charges
Hank Jr. Croslin Pleaded No Contest To Trafficking Hydrocodone
POSTED: 6:30 am EDT July 6, 2010
“Snip” http://www.wesh.com/news/24153296/detail.html
WINTER PARK, Fla. — Hank Jr. Croslin will be facing a judge Tuesday.
Hank Jr. will be sentenced on drug charges.
Morning!
Here is a thought (out of the box) to consider.
CS was foolin around when she got PG with Haleigh. Ron and her were together. She convinced Ron that Haleigh was his. However, everyone suspected she was not or knew better as to the who the real father was. Maybe the guy she was with was ‘underage’? Maybe it was Politico? Maybe it was a family member?
The court information says CS was a ‘defendent’ and RC was a ‘petitioner’ for the paternity ruling. So, it seems that RC was the one who petitioned for the ruling.
Maybe he was tired of the rumors? Maybe he wanted to make it official because of Jr? Maybe CS was messed up on drugs and he needed to? Maybe this was the only way they could get the welfare care and a check? Maybe TN told Ron to man up and claim Haleigh?
KP confirmed there was No paternity DNA testing done. It was just ‘declared’ by both parties (RC and CS) that Ron was the father. So, now it was official.
Just sayin that I don’t believe we know for sure that Haleigh was Ron’s child, and if she wasn’t, then that gives someone all the more reason to abduct her if they think she is being mistreated by him.
Plus, I am going by Simon’s last sentence in the article that Cobra asking who the real biological father of Haliegh was, seemed to spark the beginning of his demise.
Yes, I guess it is part of finding out what happened to Haleigh.
Find Haleigh today! Help break the silence!!!
The man that it is rumored, and it is a rumor that has been out there since almost the beginning, has political pull. He also has family pull within the Sheffield family. He would have no reason to abduct Haleigh. He would have just gotten a high priced attorney and taken it to court to prove if he was the father with DNA testing.
Good Morning everyone!
I want to ask everyone for a huge favor. Help me make my job here a lot easier by PLEASE letting go of the past problems between some of you and that does include the friends of those as well. I don’t have to name names but those of you involved you know who you are.
I called out CathyJo the other day but I was not only talking about her, and I should have made that more clearer, which I do apologize to her for. There are several in here that love to make digs on purpose to trigger another fight. This is what I want to stop. I am not saying it is anyone in particular but it is clear that when a fight starts most of you split up in two groups and it turns into a huge mess.
I just want that to stop. So from here on out, if anyone says anything that is clearly a dig at someone else I will call you out on it and I won’t be very happy. This is the official warning. Also let’s try no to be so sensitive. Every little thing that someone says that you have had problems with in the past doesn’t always mean it was something aiming directly to you.
If you have a problem, let me know and I promise I will be fair about it, but don’t get mad at me if I don’t see it the way you do. I can not show partiality and I won’t. Most of you have been here a very long time with us but that doesn’t give you the right to insult anyone else here OK?
I love you all and I appreciate you all being here, but I need your cooperation with this. Let’s be the adults that we are suppose to be. From now on we are going to watch it closer. It isn’t much fun doing a job 20 hours a day leaving the 4 hours left in a day for me to cook, clean, and sleep.(Thank God Simon cooks for me sometimes) I shouldn’t have to stay here and watch to make sure someone isn’t trying to bait someone else to get them in trouble but I will continue it to keep BNN a peaceful.
Thanks everyone and I hope you all have a great day. And please don’t forget to say a prayer for Haleigh.
Jan Barrett
As KP said, if Ron was not the father she would have been all over it. I totally and completely believe that. KP would have been all over it.
I think it may be a rumor about the political guy’s son, etc., but maybe not. It also could be a politician himself, or a family member, or a rapist and maybe the files are sealed if CS was under age.
KP might of been all over it had she known the information, but I think it is well hidden and that’s the way they want to keep it. It seems to be the million dollar question. When Cobra tried to ask about it, look what has happened to him. The good ole boys network is gonna see to it that he doesn’t get a chance to investigate that question, they are gonna try and take his PI license.
That’s the way I am seeing it, from what I read in the article. I also think it is interesting that we find out there was No dna testing for paternity (which I didn’t know that before). It sures makes me wonder who the ‘secret’ donaters of thousands of dollars to pay for CS’s child support payments she was behind. Perhaps the father’s family? Maybe politico’s relatives?
I think there might be a connection to Haleigh if she was an abduction, or someone was paid to help get her out of the MH that night, or there was an arrangement for her to be taken in exchange for cash, etc.
But, I think there is a drive to clean up some of the corruption in that county and any little thing uncovered, is just one more shovel of dirt removed from the pile of BS that is going on. I think they know Cobra has a big shovel and would try to get to the bottom of it, and they plan on stopping him before he gets started.
That’s my thoughts and opinion. Could be all wrong, but its what it appears to me.
Gotta work today….Have a great discussion. Hopefully everyone will heed Jan’s advice this time!!!!
Find Haleigh! and find Kyron!
Oh, one more thing….
There was a chance that CS may of went to jail that day for back child support, etc.
Maybe the plan was, we will pay off your child support payments in exchange for Haleigh and Jr being in a safe place and you not owing any more to Ron.
Yes, I know that Jr was not taken, but I think it might be that when they came back in for him, Misty woke up and foiled the plan.
That deal could of been made with someone else besides CS, just on CS’s behalf. Someone who wanted to keep her out of jail and stop her having to pay money to Ron and most of all protect the kids (because they are both druggies). Money talks.
Questioning the status of Haleigh’s bio-father would put chills up a politically centered family even if no doubt was actually circling Haleigh’s bio father.
Think about it. If someone depends on their politics for a living and someone comes along announcing he might start snooping into whether or not people around here can or have ‘kept their pants up’ so to say…it could open a can of worms for those snooped into.
Additionally, campaign funding is a huge necessary part of running for office and at times just obtaining political type appointed positions. Annoy too many people or just a few essential ones and they stop contributing and/or supporting, can make or break the person.
In a nutcup, if someone starts talking snooping and digging into who has been ‘sleeping’ where and it may hinder a reelection and/or appointment, a natural push out of the snooper would be a normal response.
Shutdown the snooper and a person’s possible ‘secrets’ have a chance of staying ‘secret’. Chances are the bio-parent of Haleigh was not the issue nor ever in question (otherthan a follow up of rumors), but the snooping around may have brought others into the sunshine even though their sunshine had nothing to do with Haleigh’s paternity at all.
good point, just saying.
just-saying, I agree. I think it is more about the “asking” of questions then the question being asked.
I just can’t imagine that going to politicians offices, or future politicians, and start trying to dig up dirt and expect it to be well received, especially in that area.
I’m not sure I’m following this fully or in the right order of events. Cobra thinks he’s in the clear. Then his PI license is threatened. And then he publicly questions Haleigh’s paternity in connection with politics? Is that right?
On a different but related subject, I agree that Cobra’s lawyer did a pretty poor job of defending him if he recommended the plea Cobra took without either knowing or telling him that his PI license could be yanked for it.
I cannot see Ronald taking care of Haleigh if he is not her bio dad. In the pictures of them together he looks like he loves her very much.
m2c, I agree. Cobra should have taken his chances with a jury trial. I think it would have been pretty easy to convince a jury of what was going on, Cobra searching for a missing child, Snod being an accused pedophile, out on bond.
I just don’t see pleading out and saying your guilty of something if you know/believe in your heart that you are not guilty of it. I know people do it all the time but normally they are guilty and are just pleading to a lesser charge for their own benefit.
Another thing I find very odd is Simon states in the article that Cobra’s probation is strange. He can carry guns, be around drugs, be around bad people etc. BUT they also ordered Cobra to have regular drug testing. That makes no sense to me. Who concocted the terms of Cobra’s probation? Was it part of his plea agreement or did Cobra not know the terms before he pled out?
WhyLie – Good question about the terms of probation. But if I was in Cobra’s shoes they would sound pretty good (I think). It even makes it look (to me) like there are no problems going forward doing what he does = bounty hunting and private investigation.
What’s happened sounds like revenge or sandbagging or something. AND what has happened (threatening his PI license) – IF done for political reasons – is really really stupid. It’s focused people even MORE on the paternity/political question than any claim Cobra could have made. But then a lot of people in politics ARE really stupid.
If I was Cobra, I’d say “eff ‘em” and hang out a shingle that says “Consultant.”
I would think that there would be more money to be made in the B/B business then in PI work.
Goodmorning all. M2c lol! I agree on your consultant post.
I agree with just saying. I do not think this has anything to do with the paternity of Haleigh. I honestly believe Ronald is Haleighs biological father.jmo
In an article in the month of June 2009. Cobra tells what he believes happened to Haleigh and who he thinks is involved. He also mentions that he and KP are mending fences.
If this was KP posting during the over night session. She states that the persons on the 911 call talking to dispatch staged the 911 call. I also believe when the silence is broken there will be others arrested and charged in Haleighs disappearance.jmo
Hi, looking for justice! I am so sick of KP and I think she’s got a heck of a nerve even addressing this case at this point in time. IF she knows anything she should spill it. If she doesn’t know anything or it’s protected by client confidentiality she should keep quiet. I do not want to hear another word out of her about Haleigh. She is part of the reason this case was so messed up and so TAINTED from day one. She should be hiding in shame but hasn’t got the morals or sense to even know it.
just sayin’ @ 8:40 am
I agree. So it would also make sense for the current OPPONENT(s) of the politico(s) in question to put out that rumor. It would serve their purposes perfectly. So would tipping off a Dept of Ag jerk about the technicality affecting Cobra’s license. Anyone with half a brain would expect Cobra to scream off the roof tops about possibly having his license revoked.
Hmmmm Tommy boy… somethings up!
07/06/2010 43 SENTENCING MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED TO
07/06/2010 43 NEXT SENTENCING 08/06/2010
m2c , I agree she is totally out of bounds here. If she has something to spill, spill it! I do believe this is very unprofessional of her ; If this was her. This is the only time I have seen her post.
WOW! BAC, thanks for the info. I agree something is up!
Why the change in Tommys court date? Has something changed? Why until August that leaves him in Putnam another month. hmmm. Bet it wasnt Werners idea since Tommy wants out of there because of the conditions. Sure is gonna get hot in August with very little air conditioning.jmo
LFJ,
You’re welcome. I snipped it from RadioNewz!!
Maybe they want to keep Tommy in jail longer so he “sweats” out some true info.
http://www.wesh.com/news/24153296/detail.html
This doesn’t give any additional information either.
If I had a guess it would be that Tommy has gotten some sense and feels he better talk now or he will go down for the whole 30 yrs in the drug case. If he knows anything now would be the time to let it out and go for a deal. But thats if he has sense. jmo
The big IF. I think Tommy truly believes he will get less than 3 years from the way he was talking on the last visits with his wife.
Oh Lady, I think he has woke up from that dream of getting 3 years, he knows that isnt going to happen and if he knows anything he knows he is running out of time to get a deal so he may be talking now through his lawyer. jmo
All the parties know they are in a world of hurt ,Rons deal was not accepted, Misty has resorted to a jury trial, and Tommy knows he is in the hot seat for the Haleigh case( according to him LE threatened to charge him with it) Tommy may be afraid he will go down for whoever really did something. jmo
One thing we need to look at is if there is no connection to Ron why didnt the DA accept his deal? Wouldnt they want to let Ron suffer a lesser charge if he is not connected in the Haleigh case? Why wouldnt they give him the 15 if he is just guilty in the drug deal? jmo
The continuance is not new news aparently. On First Coast News in their article about TC being harassed and the motion filed it also said:
His next court date, originally set for July 6, has been continued to a date yet to be determined.
So Tommys lawyer filed a hearing about him being harrassed and now he is gonna have to sit in PCSD for another month? Does anyone see this as a way to keep Tommy around for a while longer to see if he breaks? Or is he already talking? jmo
This is all I could find on Tommy’s sentencing being continued:
http://www.wesh.com/news/24153296/detail.html
tobias I would hope that PCSO is not stupid enough to be talking to TC without his attorney at this point, with a hearing coming up regarding violation of TC’s civil rights. But then again, who knows. With PCSO anything is possible.
Possibly Tommy has been:
1) Making up stories to get lower bail/lighter sentences
2) Telling stories other people told him to tell to get lower bail/lighter sentences
or
3) Telling the truth thinking he was going to get a light sentence
If it’s any of these three, then maybe he’s been duped (the other side will not keep their bargain) or LE is just really glad to have someone to blame for Haleigh’s disappearance and will let the hammer fall on him.
Also, his lawyer may be using the threat of a harrassment lawsuit to wrangle a shorter sentence.
Well you can bet Misty has read about all of this in the papers. Wonder if she even cares that her brother is being mistreated? If he has nothing to do with it will she talk to get the focus off of him? Makes you wonder if Misty cares about anyone doesnt it? jmo
I would love to believe Tommy was talking. This time only the truth! This could be a possibility.
m2c, Tommy admitted being there to dump Haleigh and made the statement that Haleigh died in the trailer this we all heard per his attorney. I do not think it is because LE is happy they have someone to blame. Tommy put himself there. Tommy has played a role in Haleighs disappearance, but to what extent we do not know for sure. jmo
m2c I do however agree with all the possibilities you stated. I see Tommy as a weak,whiney little boy. He has already stated that he cannot do 15 years in the jail tapes, after he heard what Hopes sentence. I believe he could break and finally spill the truth. jmo
m2c, I meant to type all other possibilities.
Unless TC made those statements to LE it doesn’t matter what he or Werter say to the media, public, or family members. Not a crime to lie to the media or family members.
robin said,in July 6th, 2010 at 5:51 am I have a question. Didn’t KP and Cobra have a fallen out? If so, then why would he tell her to come look at this article and comments? If I am not mistaken, he did the same thing the last time she posted, then she proceeds to start posting comments and asking questions. She is no longer Crystal’s attorney of record so why keep insinuating herself in this case? Her motives are suspect and I am beginning to think Cobra’s are too (even though I have respect for him for searching for Haleigh and trying to find answers). There is something not right here. Why question Ron’s paternity now when this can be easily verified? This would be one of things I would get straight with my client before starting a search or an investigation until I knew the real story. Like I said, there is something going on here and all their motives are suspect. JMO
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I doubt very seriously that was KP,JMO LoL
I agree also Robin,Why now!
CathyJo good too see you.
IMO Your dad is who sits with you when you get your breathing treatments,the one sho supplies your basic needs,the one who rubbed her legs when they hurt,takes you fishing and teached you how to ride a bike and we all have seen that in her photos….etc…the one who is always there for you and Ron was,I don’t know what happened but Ron was Haleighs dad and for someone else to bring that out now,Its just selfish!!!!! Very selfish,imo!
ohhhhhhhh Hey Looking,even better to see you!
Tobias @ 10:55, You said, “Well you can bet Misty has read about all of this in the papers. Wonder if she even cares that her brother is being mistreated? If he has nothing to do with it will she talk to get the focus off of him? Makes you wonder if Misty cares about anyone doesnt it? jmo”
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No. If Misty talks at this point it may or may not have anything to do with T. If she does not talk, it does NOT imply she does not care about T. Why not just come right out and say that you don’t think M cares about anyone? That is what you’re saying, right?
It would do us all some good if somebody would talk Looking,Cannot believe all this!
She talked before,she told he did the burglary wasn’t it?
Could be if Misty doesn’t talk that she can’t because she doesn’t know.
CathyJo, I do not believe this is in question. Ron is Haleighs dad. These folks just did not want Cobra snooping around in their lives or even being connected to the case of Haleigh. Who knows what Cobra would of found out about them.jmo
tobias said,in July 6th, 2010 at 10:24 am One thing we need to look at is if there is no connection to Ron why didnt the DA accept his deal? Wouldnt they want to let Ron suffer a lesser charge if he is not connected in the Haleigh case? Why wouldnt they give him the 15 if he is just guilty in the drug deal? jmo
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LoL Tobias,thats what i been saying! yoo hoo?? lol
Looking,
Thats what I have always said too,They were afraid Cobra would find her and the truth with her!
No as you see it was a question. Would Misty care? jmo
CathyJo I do agree with you on what a dad is. ” Anyone can be a father, but it takes someone special to be a dad.jmo
lfj @ 11:04 am You said, “… I do not think it is because LE is happy they have someone to blame. Tommy put himself there.”
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Right. T put himself there. But is it true? And if it is, why would he admit it if he did not have some assurance of immunity. What he’s admitted to are serious offenses – possibly even being an accomplice if LE wanted to take it that far.
Or did someone tell him to say that in order to put pressure on JO or someone else? T is stupid enough to fall for that. But is his attorney stupid or incompetent or corrupt enough to let him say that without some kind of deal to protect him from prosecution?
It’s just a possibility. It’s not even my opinion. Other than he’s a stupid, lowlife scum (I prefer being direct about these things) I don’t know what to think about T. He’s really put himself in the toity and his lawyer apparently has let him do it.
Tobias I agree that if LE was not looking at Ron also, then why did they not accept his plea deal. I believe you have been spot on that they suspect Ron to some degree.jmo
m2c, I agree with you. I sometimes think Tommy is lying trying to find a way to make a deal to get himself out of jail ( again) and maybe that is why there are inconsisitencies in what Misty said happened and what he said happened. Perhaps he has heard the story Misty told and he just trying to go off memory of the accountability to what happened. Tommy has put himself in a bad way and I agree his lawyer let him do it.jmo
LFJ, The real facts came from the lighter sentence they gave Donna. Donna had nothing to do with Haleigh and if Ron didnt he would have got what Donna did. jmo
Tobias @ 11:30 –
What is the purpose of asking if M cares about her brother?
The only reason I can see is to bolster your implication that if M does not talk now it means she does not care about him.
Is that what you are saying?
If it is, then IMO it’s possible that if she doesn’t talk it may be because she doesn’t know anything or she doesn’t know anything that would help him.
I agree with a post from BAC. That was being used and still is.
It could also be that Misty’s attorney told her to keep her mouth shut?
Tobias I agree 100%. I also wonder if there was anything that Donna could attest to pertaining to Ron and Misty.jmo
tobias said,in July 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
LFJ, The real facts came from the lighter sentence they gave Donna. Donna had nothing to do with Haleigh and if Ron didnt he would have got what Donna did. jmo
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OMG! Do you think these people are being sentenced on the drug charges according to LE’s opinion of their involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance?
I’m not debating that. It’s possible. Just surprised to hear it.
In my 11:50am post I was referring to Haleigh.
Granny 23, Mistys lawyer has told her from the beginning to keep her mouth shut. Perhaps now Misty is listening.
You forget what she told Hank on tape when she was thinking she would get bailed out. She told him to bail her out first. Another words Tommy could sit there as long as she was out.
I think she does not care one bit about Tommy. jmo
bbl going to the pool with the kids, its really hot here.lol
I really hope M’s and R’s lawyers see your posts, Tobias. That’s real meat for their defense in the drug trials.
But before I can agree to your conclusion, I’d have to see the charges against Donna, her past criminal record, etc next to R’s and next to M’s. Because all those things factor into sentencing too.
So did Hope have something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance? Is that why they slammed her with 15 years?
Tobias – I agree about Ron signing the birth certificate, but it wouldn’t be the first time that a daddy thought he was the daddy and it turned out he wasn’t. As far as I know DNA testing is not routine at birth. My husband’s ex-wife cheated on him right about the time their son was born. As my step-son has grown I have wondered if he is my husband’s child. I’ve asked him if it’s occurred to him. He looks a lot like the man my husband’s ex-wife left him for. Maybe he is my husband’s son, but what if? She was sleeping around on him, and he knew it. I would have wanted to get a paternity test done, but he loves his son and it’s inconceivable to think he’s not his.
If you found out otherwise…you might become enraged. It’s a motive. If found to be true. All hypothetical. Ya know? Who knows?
m2c. NOTHING suprises me anymore in this case.jmo
I think some of law in Putnam County are shady. After the sheriff’s sons treatment thus far it’s a proven fact. IMO
Tobias @ 11:54 am.
I have not forgotten anything. You only mentioned the current situation and implied that if M doesn’t talk now it means she doesn’t care about T. If you’d just said you don’t think she cares about anyone (for any/all reasons) I would have understood – it would be clearer if you just said that.
As far as wanting her dad to bail her out first, it doesn’t necessarily mean – to me – that she doesn’t care about T. It’s sort of childish and selfish and perfectly understandable IMO. After all, big brother’s been there before. She hasn’t.
Because the article above is about Cobra…I would just like to say that I think Cobra’s concern for little Haleigh is very honorable, and nothing else matters. Thank you Cobra for all you’ve done for her and others. I bet you would be fun at a barbecue too. BYOB! LOL!
tobias said,in July 6th, 2010 at 11:57 am bbl going to the pool with the kids, its really hot here.lol
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It’s discussion and debate, Tobias. Sorry you can’t stay for it.
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I can see R being enraged at Crystal if he learned he was not Haleigh’s father. I can’t see him being enraged at Haleigh. But we know things like that have happened, sadly.
Sorry Guys,Phone,I am thinking I’ll be a grandma again before too long,lol shewww
looking for Justice said,in July 6th, 2010 at 11:41 am CathyJo I do agree with you on what a dad is. ” Anyone can be a father, but it takes someone special to be a dad.jmo
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Amen Looking,the world is full of daddy’s by blood so to speak,who run and refuse be a father period!
CONGRATULATIONS! CathyJo
tobias said,in July 6th, 2010 at 11:54 am You forget what she told Hank on tape when she was thinking she would get bailed out. She told him to bail her out first. Another words Tommy could sit there as long as she was out.
I think she does not care one bit about Tommy. jmo
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I have to agree,she’d protect Ron but not Tommy,remember the fight,she swore against both Hanks! for Ron!
Thank You Looking,I can’t wait,If i’d known grandkids were this much fun,I’d have had them first,rofl
lol!! CathJo
looking for Justice said,in July 6th, 2010 at 11:54 am In my 11:50am post I was referring to Haleigh.
Granny 23, Mistys lawyer has told her from the beginning to keep her mouth shut. Perhaps now Misty is listening.
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Something worked because remember too that Misty’s attorney wouldn’t allow Padilla to speak to her anymore either,she didn’t seem terribly upset?? surprised me b/c that was her only ticket to get bonded out!
Interesting evening.
Where was staff 500 when needed.
staff 500?
what time does tommy go to court today??
I dunno how i missed it!
CathyJo,
Tommy had Court. It was continued to August 6th for his sentencing:
07/06/2010 43 SENTENCING MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED 07/06/2010 43 TO NEXT SENTENCING 08/06/2010
As for the “Staff500″ joke. I’m not quite sure how to explain it without a long-winded explanation. Let me try. On twitter several months back, KP & Jeremiah had a little middle of the night “spat”. KP called in “Staff500″ (a twitter nic) to “handle the situation”. At the time, there were quite a few “Staff” nics floating around. It was quite odd. Matter of fact, the argument between KP & Jeremiah was odd (that is putting it nicely… it was actually hysterical). I know there are many people that have screenshots of both sides of it. The next day, both of their twitter accts were deleted.
Maybe KP will come out today and tell us about it.
ohhhh LoL Sorry J,
confused me,it sounded like something Nascarish,lol
I have never been a twitter person,LoL
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I had searched for Tommy updates,saw nothing different,TY!
J said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Interesting evening.
Where was staff 500 when needed.
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Yeah but Rocket Man made it, LOL.
LOL CathyJo. It does sound Nascar-ish.
It was more of a comedy show, actually. People were glued to twitter that night watching the show (for lack of a better word). All the Staffs deleted their twitters eventually also. Staff500 still exists.
I just thought theres no way thats KP,LoL
But I don’t get paid to think,which btw is a very good thing,so I haven’t a clue! LoL
First clue it was KP was she called out vaquera.
LOL WhyLie
I was waiting for Staff500 to “handle the situation”. Maybe KP missed RocketMan’s post about “rolling over”. LOL
CathyJo, I have no doubt that was the real KP. She doesn’t seem to stay away from posting for long. She was posting at Radio’s forum not long ago for a spell. She never stays away for long. She has made the rounds of most of the boards.
Oh I see,LoL Anything including 500 sounds nascarish to me,I never even cared for Nascar till DE was killed!and all i i remember is the 500 bit from racing,LoL
J,I didn’t miss it,I roflmbo,it was a funny post though i knew neither person! lol
LoL J,you guys may be used to it,but I can’t imagine an attorney or a rockstar,or Kermit and Miss piggy chatting wiff us,It don’t happen where I come from,rofl no pun to anyone.honest,I really cannot imagine that!
But I do believe yall when you tell me that!
Rocket Man said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 1:28 am
@vaquera
nope. I’d roll over and tell her to get off the damn computer. nice guess though.
Stay cool.
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LMAO and yet you just happen to pop up
You stay cool too, Jeremiah.
It just makes your head turn,a big time attorney here on the same blog CathyJo is on,No Way! lol
WhyLie said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
First clue it was KP was she called out vaquera.
Not the first time she called me out
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Awww, she luvs me.
I just didn’t believe it for a sec,I was wrong I assume but I did not believe it!
CathyJo,
Let me tell you. I am not at all used to attorneys posting online about active cases or any case with which they are involved. I think it is unethical. I have never seen such a thing until this case. I was around WS back when KP was there posting and got a front row seat to the Circus that ensued. I couldn’t believe the things I saw.
After that, I saw KP post in other forums, and while I still found it improper, I grew to find that nothing surprised me with regards to this case. How sad for HaLeigh.
Seems you never know what will pop up. Never the truth, I guess.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 11:32 am
IMO Your dad is who sits with you when you get your breathing treatments,the one sho supplies your basic needs,the one who rubbed her legs when they hurt,takes you fishing and teached you how to ride a bike and we all have seen that in her photos….etc…the one who is always there for you and Ron was,I don’t know what happened but Ron was Haleighs dad and for someone else to bring that out now,Its just selfish!!!!! Very selfish,imo!
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Amen
Amen to that J!!!!!!
Truer words would not be known!
Kathy Jo, I posted a link up page to the only link I could find about Tommy’s hearing today.
http://www.wesh.com/news/24153296/detail.html
There may be more info out now.
It’s been a circus since day one,And we thought The Caylee case was bad!!!
Heck,atleast we knew who did it and who covered her for doing it,In Haleighs case,It’s impossible to blame or accuse just one!
Thats Just what I believe,I use to defend Ron as I would my own child,I don’t know what happened,and my theory goes up and down,up and down but I will never say Ron was not Haleighs dad because he was,and for someone to strip Haleigh of even that at this time is one selfish person..or however many cooked it up!
And it’s disrespectful!
Enough has been taken from Haleigh as it is! that’s just my opinion!
I didn’t know i said Teached”’ LoL I meant taught!
Tha Caylee circus is about to get even weirder..Cindy and Lee have been subpoenaed to testify at Casey’s hearing on the 15th.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/07/casey-anthony-cindy-lee-ordered-to-testify-at-hearing.html
and while we are on the subject,It was wrong of the sheffs side to ever take one penny from any donations to help find Haleigh! Its just my opinion but how did it put hardship on them,
Hardship was when child support wasn’t paid to Haleighs dad,If it was Ron,the entire world would be dogging him so bad even if we thought he was totally innocent on anything else! still,Just my own opinion!
Is Tommy Croslin going before a Judge today?
And my latest theory may be wrong,as I’m sure hoping it is,but what else can a person think the way its going down,but it doesn’t change one thing for me when Haleigh was not missing!And even if they are guilty,I would still have to say,Ron was her daddy and something just went terribly wrong,thats what i want people to understand about my theory,It isn’t that I enjoy having it,Not at all!!!!!
But the truth will stand when the worlds on fire! Jmo
Indiana,I believe it was continued!
Look at the 12:43 post IndianaMom! It tells ya!
Wonder why though,yall think theres something to it?
Indiana Mother said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:20 pm Is Tommy Croslin going before a Judge today?
No, the sentencing was continued until August 6:
07/06/2010 43 NEXT SENTENCING 08/06/2010
07/06/2010 44 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (08-06-2010)
07/06/2010 45 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (08-06-2010
Sorry IndianaMother…….I just figured since J posted it,That i wouldn’t take up space as I do in my desk chair,LoL
TY Granny!
hi all, just checking in on my lunch hour…. hmmm.. now we have another court day for Tommy?
I THINK he is really wanting to just come clean….
my thoughts:
Misty knows
Tommy knows
Joe knows
Misty knows
Tommy helped
Joe did it..
My guess is Misty knows, Ron knows, Tommy may have helped later and there is someone we dont know of yet that did something to Haleigh.
Thats how I feel today, I still feel it has to do with drugs and something went wrong and Tommy was called in by Ron and Misty to help set up the MH, SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A so CAME AND TOOK HER. JMO
Hey Tobias,your sister still with ya??
Thanks CathyJo and Granny! My connectivity has been very bad today.
;(
IMO – Everyone knows… and everyone is covering for eachother! These are law sauvy people! Better to lie and deter from the truth then face the consequences…
Just until WED. she is with my Mom today, I went with the kids to the pool, no airconditioning here so I needed to get cool.LOL My daughter turns 18 on the 8th maybe your daughter will have hers then? If she does get ready for a handful of energy, mine is non stop but she is a really good kid.lol jmo
My guess is Ron knows,Misty don’t and Tommy ain’t got the sense God gave a goose because he’s lying to get out of jail and that don’t register in his mind….maybe he never heard the phrase, “The Truth will set you Free” and Jo is a scapegoat! jmo Tobias!
Don’t I know it Tobias…..LoL
My daughters man..LoL also shares your Birthday! lol
I would love to know what Tommy’s lawyer said to get the sentencing date moved to next month. Tommy was screaming about being mistreated and now he’ll sit there for another month. I fear like in other cases we hear about things get put off so long the cases get dismissed. This drug case has drug on long enough. They need to quit stalling and tell the truth about what happened to Haleigh.
Yea Tobias,handful and then some,Glad you’re having fun though!!!!!!!!
Miss Betty,thats the gospel truth,imo they do put things off so the media,etc…..will forget it!
It’s possible the prosecutors requested the continuance and not Werter. The PSI may not have been completed, or perhaps the delay had something to do with the Motion Werter filed. Wouldn’t that just be poetic justice. TomMe complains about his accommodations in the Putnam County jail, and his attorney files a motion about his treatment, and now he gets to spend an additional month there due to said motion (if that is the reason for the delay)
However, we really don’t know why there was a continuance since it doesn’t say on the docket.
Miss Betty,In my husbands case,the DA told us to never speak of it,little did I know thats what they wanted me to do,And i do believe thats why!
Cathy, do you know if the baby is a boy or a girl? I dont have any grand kids and from the way my kids talk I may never have any but thats all up to them. I just want them to be ready if they do.lol My two are more into college and careers than anything else. My son says he cant keep a fish alive so he isnt even going there.lol Too funny. jmo
J, if Werter requested it, wouldn’t it say a motion was filed on the docket? The rest of them have been that way.
I think the SA’s and LE want Tommy staying in PC for a while longer to put more pressure on him.
Thats true a continue would have to be granted by the court if it was Tommy lawyer who asked for it. I believe the court decided on the continue. jmo
A boy Tobias!!!!!!!
Well,your kids have smarts because it’s a blessing to see someone has sense enough not to have children until they’re ready too as well as financially able! We Don’t come across it often!! LoL
Either way, he will not be FREE anytime soon.
Ron and misty too.
Its just a timing thing.
the ‘last 3′ will get credit for time served and serve the rest elsewhere after their dispositions.
you might think I’m a big fat liar,lol but Honest…I have heard people actually say “Oh,atleast we’ll get more food stamps”
I was 15 and knew better than that! LoL
I think its really strange that Snodgrass has gotten away with not getting tried for this charges for 3 years, and then Cobra goes to revoke his bond and all hello breaks loose on Cobra. Someone who lives down there needs to raise awareness of this because we have heard this before. A SO who should be locked up and isnt then commits another crime, how can they be so sure he wont hurt another child while he is out running around?jmo
Thats a big risk to take Tobias,at what cost?
Another victin!!!!! jmo
“WhyLie said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Why didn’t Cobra just ask Crystal, or go to the court house and get all the custody court docs?
If there was any way possible that Ron was not Haleigh’s father you can bet your last nickel that the Sheffields would have proven it and gotten Haleigh away from Ron.”
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Well, first of all I agree with if the Sheffield’s would have or could have proven Haleigh wasn’t ron’s, I think they would have tried to do the DNA.. That sounds much like what should have happened. But, I don’t know that dcf would have recognized this, nor would it be a reason to legally take Haleigh from him.. I think that would be a battle between the real bio dad is there is one, versus ron in court to take custody of Haleigh..
But, to be honest with you, I think Cobra could have talked himself blue in the face in asking Crystal who the real father was if it wasn’t ron, and not sure he would have gotten a straight answer.. Apparently, RM thought he was, since Crystal apparently had told him he was Haleigh’s real dad.. Because of the fight at the tents between ron and rm, whereas RM wanted to know what ron had done to RM’s daughter, aka Haleigh.. And why did Crystal allow the court to believe ron was really Haleigh’s father instead of just agreeing with Ron on the parentage question. Why didn’t RM take Ron to court and demand a DNA to prove who the father was.. In my choice little opinion, they all had opportunity to do something.. Yet, it appears none did anything.
tobias said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
My guess is Misty knows, Ron knows, Tommy may have helped later and there is someone we dont know of yet that did something to Haleigh.
Thats how I feel today, I still feel it has to do with drugs and something went wrong and Tommy was called in by Ron and Misty to help set up the MH, SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A so CAME AND TOOK HER. JMO
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I would add Tommy and Timmy may have helped later, but other than that, absolutely agree.
Good point, tobias. Get ‘em off the streets.
Until She went missing Mlee,Hmmm
What would be the alterior motive? money?
Yep,JMO!
Send em to Alcatraz and fill the waters with every deadly fish,the land with every kind of wild animal and lettem fight amongst one another till they have no choice but to eat one another finally! jmo
and ship Satan and satans daughter (casey,Sindy) there with them! jmo
Have any of you gone to the docket for Snodgrass? Its just rediculous, no way this should be going in on for so long. He shouldnt even be out for the charges he is facing let alone for 3 1/2 years of contiuances. People in the area and the victims should be outraged.
I know if it was my daughter he raped no way would he be out walking around town and he can even leave the county OMG are they that crazy down there???? jmo
“vaquera said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
LadySadie said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Random Thoughts said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
It’s a no brainer that Haleigh looks exactly like Ron, so obviously he is the bio dad.
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LOL, different perspectives, see I don’t think Haleigh looks anything at all like Ron.
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She looks like Teresa with some Crystal thrown in. Jr looks just like Crystal’s siblings when they were young. If anyone had seen Robbie’s picture from back would know Haleigh is not his”
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I’m not disputing what you say, but I do have a question for clarification..
Where did you see Crystals siblings in their childhood photo’s, and where did you see Robbie’s photos as a child??
And a funny thing that I ran across last year.. there is another rm in Jacksonville, who would fit the mold to the tee.. I first ran across his photo, I thought Golly Molly.. hair, eyes, and smile…
Tobias,right but Lisa and Hank can’t visit their own kids! jmo
I should have specified though that they can’t because of probation terms and fines IIRC!
But Snodgraa can do whatever!
Tommy will have to endure more ‘gas’ fumes of the most unkind nature for another 30 days. I’m cool with that.
Cathy, Something aint right about that case, and we may find that out eventually. I just have a feeling about it, why is he getting away with it for 3 1/2 years? Why did he get out on bond in the first place? Who was the Judge who allowed him the bond? So many questions on just that case its not funny. I HAVE A FEELING THIS IS WHY COBRA WAS SET UP AND MADE TO SUFFER THEY DONT WANT THIS TO GET OUT. JMO
By Granny gum drops Tobias,thats a very good point there!!
Lisa and hank have made their own bed and CAN’T be there for their kids, in person. I bet they receive calls.
We may hear them someday.
I really do think Cobra was set up too,
mlee said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
“vaquera said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
LadySadie said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Random Thoughts said,
in July 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
It’s a no brainer that Haleigh looks exactly like Ron, so obviously he is the bio dad.
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LOL, different perspectives, see I don’t think Haleigh looks anything at all like Ron.
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She looks like Teresa with some Crystal thrown in. Jr looks just like Crystal’s siblings when they were young. If anyone had seen Robbie’s picture from back would know Haleigh is not his”
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I’m not disputing what you say, but I do have a question for clarification..
Where did you see Crystals siblings in their childhood photo’s, and where did you see Robbie’s photos as a child??
And a funny thing that I ran across last year.. there is another rm in Jacksonville, who would fit the mold to the tee.. I first ran across his photo, I thought Golly Molly.. hair, eyes, and smile…
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when their myspaces were open. The Sheffields had lots of pictures of Marcus, Sarah and Crystal when they were babies and I imagine Robbie looks the same as he did 5 years ago and no way in hell he’s Haleigh’s father. That is the wrong Robbie because this Robbie is kin to Chris Middleton and he’s from PC. I posted his facebook page earlier with Crystal and Chris are his friends.
Let me rephrase that,Not setup maybe but run off cause he got too close!
Looks like lyndsay lohans court room drama will be the only one of note today.
I can’t believe HLN thinks that is breaking news all day. Who the hell cares about her and her washed up career? I would be surprise if she spends one minute in jail.
This rumor of Ronald not being Haleigh’s biological father has been around since she was born, as shown by legal paternity document presented above.
Also, it was stated by several sources Haleigh’s DNA has been on record since her birth. If Ronald was declared her legal father by his own admission and without paternity testing being done, it could still determined by testing Haleigh’s DNA on file against her mother’s and Ronald’s. I guess Crystal would have to demand it at this point. If that doesn’t happen, it’s a moot point, because Crystal has accepted Ronald is her father.
I don’t understand how Haleigh’s paternity has anything whatsoever to do with Cobra’s PI license. I do wish Simon would explain why this was thrown into the article.
mlee, where is this fight at the tent between Ron and Robbie coming from? Do you have a link? The fight between Robbie and Ron was long before Haleigh ever went missing.
The Sheffield camp, including KP, would have been all over that if there was a fight between the two of them at the tent.
Lindsy Lohan needs to be in a psyche ward,jmo
was agreeing with you Vaq,sorry I didn’t specify it was for your post I was responding too!
WhyLie said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
mlee, where is this fight at the tent between Ron and Robbie coming from? Do you have a link? The fight between Robbie and Ron was long before Haleigh ever went missing.
The Sheffield camp, including KP, would have been all over that if there was a fight between the two of them at the tent.
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never heard of it myself till recently. I think it was one of those pesty rumors.
vaquera said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
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Yeah lots of strange rumors lately, and some very old ones being tossed back into the mix.
Lyndsay is an addict. Don’t we have compassion for her?
She has to wear a scram braclet which looks awful in tabloids and on tmz. Where’s the love for this young wayward girl?
How many can honestly say they didn’t cry when paris went ‘inside’ and cheered when she was released?
jABA, That just shows if you can afford all the best rehab in the world it wont work if you dont truely want to get clean. Money cant buy a quick fix to all the problems people must face on their own. jmo
Agreed. Tobias, 100%
Rest assured if there is anything to the paternity the investigaters know it because they have all 3 DNA samples and if Rons doesnt match Haleighs they know it. I really dont think Ron knew and even if he did I doubt it would be a reason to hurt Haleigh. But if its true Crystal would have been in trouble for lying to him. He would have been hurt and furrious with her. jmo
At least she doesn’t have kid or kids living through it.
Of courseN her teenage sister is with her, hope she doesn’t turn out like lilo.
Lilos parents are a pair of idiots, imo.
Jaba – I can honestly say that I cheered when paris went “inside” ….and was pissed when she was released
I still think the feathers that got ruffled were because some judge granted Snodgrass a bond when he shouldnt have. That is way more damaging then a paternity case. Who was that JUDGE THAT GAVE A BOND FOR A OFFENSE THAT REQUIRES NO BOND( cAPITAL SEX CRIME). JMO
Chak,
Come on. Have a heart. Those girls have it rough. Can u imagine having to try and be fashionable inside a jail? That’s just cruel.
well it looks like the next court news we will have in this case is Ron’s plea day on 7/9 . I wonder if they granted the continuence for Tommy because of the 7/16 motion
or they might want longer to interrogate Tommy about anything he knows
Jaba – thats true it must be hell trying to look good when everyone is wearing the same thing ….
dO YOU ALL THINK rON AND sHOEMAKER WILL TRY FOR A JURY TRIAL OR WILL THEY PLEA NO CONTEST? OPPS SORRY. JMO BBL
Trial if no plea, what’s he got to lose on min/man charges?
I think Ron is going to plead out.
Kim P (kp)
If you come back and read this will you please respond and let us know about cops knowin ron was not at work? I hear from a source thats something they know. do you know if that is true? is Ron responsible like some say? do you think ron misty and tommy Are ALL involved like someone reported as well?
tobias said,in July 6th, 2010 at 3:33 pm jABA, That just shows if you can afford all the best rehab in the world it wont work if you dont truely want to get clean. Money cant buy a quick fix to all the problems people must face on their own. jmo
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You are so right!!!!!!!!!
Gotta catch up guys,my electric/juice went off,lol
Whylie,
Why do you think that? Do you think his risk of getting more time is high?
Also, your theory on hank and lisa’s home being used for something awful by tommy has me thinking.
Were there ever reports of h and l’s house or mh, being visited by police at the start of this whole thing? Dop you know how many miles away the home was?
Tia
chakra7 said,in July 6th, 2010 at 4:03 pm Jaba – thats true it must be hell trying to look good when everyone is wearing the same thing ….
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I would agree,LoL
Those girls were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and plenty of money to get by on,In no way does it compare to Misty period!
Not even close!
No matter how much money you have you still can be an addict and can’t quit until something really bad happens to you, just like when you are poor. Just like misty.
Thats also a good thing about Misty is she didn’t have kids to leave behind Like Tommy and Ron even,Hope either IIRC!
Ofcourse you can,Their parents sent them to school!
celebs die everyday from addiction,I am saying she wasn’t sent to school,she didn’t have the finer things in life! addiction has nothing to do with any of that!
Like the saying goes, You get sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Her own parents let her down!
Linsey and Paris i am certain always had their parents support!
Cricket,My husband always said “The main thing is to Maintain” LoL
Stoppin in for a moment….
Lady S. Yes, I agree that Ron would not want to take care of a child that wasn’t his, BUT,
IF he THOUGHT Haleigh was his, then he would. No one else came forward, so after a while, he agreed to the paternity. He believes he is the father, but doesn’t mean he is.
NOW, what IF, he found out differently on that weekend, and he knew he had to go to court the next day, and that CS hadn’t paid him a dime, and here he thought all along he was the Dad and put his ‘heart’ into Haleigh, only to get a slap in the face that someone else was the real bio father. Realizing he had been fooled, scammed and that everyone knew but him. I think that would be enough to piss Ron off, not to mention hurt him badly emotionally. No telling what he might do. (this could fit in with those who think the 911 call was fake and that Ron wasn’t at werk that night).
Just a thought.
jaba, I have never seen or head of LE going to Magnolia dr and searching. It is just over 5 miles from Green Ln to Magnolia Dr.
I do remember that when the Georgia group brought in the dogs, the ones that hit on the dumpster, there was a media video from local news that showed dogs and the reporter said they were searching around Misty’s home. I, at the time, thought they were talking about TC’s MH, but now I think that maybe it was the trailer on Magnolia Dr. The dogs obviously did not find anything BUT that would not be unusual. I do not think that LE ever searched the MH for evidence.
I just don’t see Ron wanting to go to trial. Maybe his lawyer and family will convince him to take it to trial but I just don’t see it happening.
Cricket said,in July 6th, 2010 at 5:03 pm Like the saying goes, You get sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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You made me think of this so I gotta tell ya,On my tombstone I want it to say,Told yall I was sick” LoL
I guess anythings possible Jen!
But Really,I don’t think he’d hurt Haleigh for that specific reason because he’d already raised her as his and his love for her wouldn’t have stopped that because he was her daddy since she was born!
I’m not debating you,lol just discussing it,LoL
St. Augustine man sentenced to 15 years for rape, false imprisonment
Posted: July 6, 2010 – 5:08pm
Jacksonville.com
By Matt Coleman
A St. Augustine man was sentenced to 15 years in prison Tuesday after he was found guilty of sexual battery and false imprisonment on an underage victim.
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I wonder if Hope’s judge sentenced this guy?
Everybody gets 15 no matter what..
jaywalking or murder
Shockwave, I just read your post above. Both you and I speak from experience with those who think they are daddy, or want to be daddy, etc..
Some real bad things can happen. Yes, I think Ron loved Haleigh dearly, she was his heart, and to possibly find out differently? He may not of believed it, even if he heard it.
Just saying that there could be some motives out there…..
I still think though, that it was Tommy and Joe who did something to or with Haleigh.
Heck, they could of traded her to the drug dealers in exchange for some Meth, who knows. Then JO doesn’t want to be a part of it, Tommy claims innocent cause he remembers what he does when he is high, etc. I wonder if he remembers setting up that back door with a brick to cover his azzzz? hmmmm
We have no body, no evidence, no nothing. The people we are looking at aren’t producing any of this, so it may well be time to really start looking elsewhere. (just like Misty told them to a long time ago!)
Though Jen,I do think he would do something before he’d lose custody because he was bent on being the BEST parent,No way would he lose her and have it known that maybe he wasn’t the BEST parent,see what I’m saying,LoL I don’t know if even I see it,LoL But He made that very obvious in most every video!
OJ,Jaywalking or Murder,what huh??? I hope you’re not serious???
CJ, I know, it makes you wonder how he could possibly hurt her, but there are a lot of people on the blogs that have continually blamed Ron and said he did something to Haleigh. (This just gives them a ‘motive’, which I think they were missing.) So I guess I would say to them, is it possible for Ron to be guilty of harming Haleigh without a reason to do so, much more than with a reason???
Ohhhh Sorry OJ,I am slow,i gotcha nowwwwww,
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard,well one of the most!
Right Jen,I am one of them!!!!!!!!!
But i don’t think it was for that ONE Specific reason?? I am an adoptee and I know my adad never looked at me as not his just because i wasn’t blood kin?? lol
I believe something horric went on Jen!!!
Yep CJ, that is true. The best parent (out of the two), the best Daddy, etc.
So, maybe someone else thought they could be a better Daddy to Haleigh?
So, maybe someone took the opportunity to sell her to a better family, maybe that person was in the MH that night while Misty was passed out.
So, maybe that made ‘someone(s)’ really jealous enough to stage an abduction of the kids (but Misty woke up before they got jr). But its ok, because CS went after Jr. right away to make sure she got him anyway, whether she was drugged 99% of the time or not.
There seem to be so many theories of what logically could of happened to Haleigh.
I look at those other cases where the bio mom sold her 5 year old for $250 worth of Crack, to a prostitution ring. Addiction is stronger than most things I know, and some people will do “”anythinng”" to get their next fix.
CathyJo63 said,in July 6th, 2010 at 5:26 pm Right Jen,I am one of them!!!!!!!!!
But i don’t think it was for that ONE Specific reason?? I am an adoptee and I know my adad never looked at me as not his just because i wasn’t blood kin?? lol
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Yes, I understand. However, Ron didn’t adopt Haleigh. He, after awhile, accepting Haleigh and agreed to the Paternity. I doubt after that he ever looked at her as not his own, but he may of found out differently?
If Haleigh is dead (I hate saying that), then I hope it was an accident. I hope she didn’t suffer in any way.
Only Tommy and Joe know what went on, I think, and of course, possibly the drug dealers they were getting the meth from, or the people at the MH that night partying.
It sure is Jen,Addiction does destroy families,thats for sure!This meth or speed whatever its called is the only thing I have ever seen thats powerful enough to turn a mother against her own children! It has to be a strong addiction!!!!!!!
Never seen anything else that would do that,that bad!
In town here where I live,I know there are atleast 10 women who’ve had custody of their children taken and not one time ever fought to get them back,It’s like it was an opportunity for them,I don’t know! jmo
Usually a mother on drugs loses her child,she quits and fights for them,not on that crap!
Lilo was violated and received 90 days. Surrenders july 20th.
My friends sister lost all 3 of her children to the courts due to crack and meth. She loved her children, but her love for the drugs (addiction) was stronger. She was abusive to her kids in so many ways.
Her oldest child committed suicide 2 years ago. The other two kids are in foster homes. One just turned 18 and reported sexual abuse on the foster Dad for the last 5 years. The other one is doing ok that I know of.
She is now living out on a farm in Nebr. taking care of a house there. She is mostly disconnected from the family, but still talks to my friend, every now and then. She still battles with the drugs and etoh. She has never forgiven herself for what happened. She would never take her own life though, as she says she is a Catholic and doesn’t want to go to hell. I wonder every day just where she thinks she is going then?
I know from watching her over the course of 20 years, what she is capable of doing and the actions she took to get drugs and money. She even burned her mothers house to the ground to get insurance money. Then blew it ALL on Crank and Meth. Oh happy day.
So, I put nothing past anyone in this case, especially because they lie and lie and lie….all for what????
Right Jen,I gotcha loud and clear!!!!!!
LOL, I guess we were both on the same wave there.
I think for LE to solve these crimes, they have to think like the criminal!!
Sometimes people think on the level of what is normal to them and can’t figure any of it out.
What’s ok with a criminal, is most likely not ok with us. At least I hope not.
My niece by marriage had 2 kids,The very best Mother you ever saw and young too but her kids only wore the best,had a beautiful home,I mean she was a great mom,then she got on that and the kids clothes were too small cause she quit buying new ones to save for the drugs and their attendance in school was very poor and usually late when they did go,Last yr,the dcs came right to her apt and gave her a drug test and she failed so they made her call their dad’s,each diff? and they had to come down here to tn to get them,she was supposed to have a hearing or whatever the following Monday with the judge,never showed!
Jen,My point was,LoL thats how dratic it changed her!
Right Jen,if the le used drugs or were stupid they might figure it out,LoL
Not funny but I mean for crying out loud!!!!!!
Think stupid to catch stupid,lol
Wow. Well it certainly made for a motive for the mom that wanted the $250 of Crack cocaine. I feel though that Misty loved the kids and was not that wigged out. Tommy on the other hand admits he was needing his pill fix. If that’s true, why was he hanging out at Misty’s all that day/night, unless she had pills there, or was expecting a delivery later that evening?
Yea Jen,when i am on the same wave length as you guys,you’d never know it really,LoL
Cause I got a whole new dictionary than normal people do,rofl
right,I believe with all my heart that Misty is the only one who did care about Haleigh the most!!
I really do!
She even warned Ron to take his son by Amber!!
In the jail videos she even said she hoped Crystal would get it together for Jr! not a quote but similar words!
Well, I think the thing that Misty is keeping from Ron is that she was dealing drugs out of the MH that night. He would flip if she told others where they lived. He would flip if he knew she was doing that with the kids there. I also think he would flip if he found out she had another man there. (that may be the real reason she was washin’ them sheets, lol).
I have never even heard Ron talk about him,after he went to jail except when TN reminded him at the end of their visit! jmo though!
Those blankets play a huge part in it somewhere Jen!!!!!!!!!
In one of my theories,Thats why she washed the blankets,another mans dna?? jmo
I think Tommy wanted Misty to quit protecting Ron (from being hurt by the truth).
He is the one that told her she had to stay there and babysit. She most likely had plans to deliver her goods to those people at the party. I think NayNay may of brought over some people? (think about her letter…she is sure quick to deny being at a party with her antifreeze leaking trunk and 2 guys putting Haleigh in there and taking her to the river), eh? I think she is going to be one of the ones to go down for this too! Maybe Misty heard Tommy and NayNay squeaking the couch, lol. (Lyndsy may of found out).
Gotta run. Catch yall later.
(I think they delayed Tommy’s trial date, because they are still rounding up the other fools who did this). JMO
TTYL Jen,
bbs gotta run to the store myself!
Thanks for th info whylie. Your tommy/h and l mobile home theory is a good one. Never heard it before.
i dont think ron would be that upset at misty doing deals while he was at werk…a deal where the middle man (misty) can make a lil money, and pinch a lil buzz can pop up anytime…thats common practice 4 druggies….he WOULD get mad if she left the kids to go party or had a love interest (someone like WBG)there or had a party there jmo
y are y’all so sure that was the real KP
mrsm said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
y are y’all so sure that was the real KP
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Jan and Simon will know for sure from her IP, but, I assume it was because vaquera “pissed” her off w/ the AH comment.
Hey Mrsm,I believe it was confirmed to be KimP!
Hey LittleB!
Hey, CJ!
I thought Tommy plead guilty to the drug charges? Why not sentence him instead of giving a continuance? Could the allegations that Tommy made about the PCSO actually have some merit and the prosecutor is making sure before he makes a recommendation to the judge for sentencing? I can understand the continuance if there will be hearing for those allegations later this month and they deal with that matter first BEFORE sentencing Tommy. Who knows since this case has taken some very unusual turns during the course of it.
Guys,I had found a post last night by someone awhile back but it did make me curious about the details of it,Did anyone hear about a neighbor who said they saw Misty out in the yard at 3:am on the phone crying?
and that Haleigh was seen around 2,So don’t think its true LoL just b/c I posted but it does make me very curious!
So i include the post,It is not one of my own!
Heres the post!
There was something definitely going on around 2am. A few things that stand out to me is that Misty alibi, is that she slept from 10p-3a (she just so happens to wake up at 3). Ron’s alibi, is that he worked until 3 (just so happens his normal shift would have ended at 12). Tommy now says that he was at the mh later than 10p. TN arrived in record time at 3:30a. It looks like everyone was trying to stay clear of placing themselves there at around 2a.
We got the neighbor hearing screams around 2:30a.
Misty is spotted by neighbors on her phone crying outside the mh around 3a.
If we go with the possible scenario of an Altercation: think about this
IMO, Ron was home much earlier than 3 (In Cobra’s tapes LE seemed concerned about Ron arriving home at 3:25 and wanted to know what took him so long to get home) That tells me that they suspected he should’ve been home long before 3:25a.
If this altercation started around 2a- I think it was between Misty and Ron. Misty being who she is, called on her brother Tommy for help because he was the closest (on 911 call, Someone from Tyler admits to seeing Haleigh at around 2a-2:30a). Tommy get there and all hell breaks loose-which I think was the cause for the scratches on Ron’s hands. Did we see any pictures of Tommy the next day? I wonder if he was scratched up too.
I believe, something made them all scatter at some point. Gunfire?? Crash?? They all scattered away from the mh on Green Ln. They knew that the police would be called (don’t forget we’re dealing with criminal minded people). IMO, (so he could be caught on camera and say that he stopped there on his wayTommy went back to his house, Ron drove to the store home from work), and I’m willing to bet that Misty went back to Tyler with her brother. I don’t think Misty accompanied Ron to that store because she is seen pacing around the mh talking on the phone at 3a. I think at that point she was waiting there for Ron to return from the store and had no key to get back into the mh.
Didn’t a neighbor also witness a red truck sitting by the railroad tracks that night?
Think about all the people who had gotten rid of their cars after Haleigh went missing: TN, Tommy, RC, and I think GMSykes. And then you have damage to Ron’s altima and the blue van.
Robin,I am assuming it has everything to do with it!!
Wow,This is neat!!!
There is a cause called “Snapshot Search” and two actors from the Soap Opera “As the World Turns” are working with this to help find missing children. Michael Park(Jack Snyder) and Mick Hazen (Parker) are shown in a photo wearing “Find Haleigh” T-Shirts. I think its great they are doing this. Below is the source and info about the project:
SOURCE:
Mick H. (Parker) and Michael P. (Jack) work with Snapshot Search to find missing kids – boards.soapcentral.com
Mick H. (Parker) and Michael P. (Jack) work with Snapshot Search to find missing kids – boards.soapcentral.com
The Snapshot Search project is a project working with celebrities by using pictures of them holding up posters of missing children or wearing tee-shirts featuring them. The website for the project is coming (very) soon. Mick sent in his and Michael’s picture today
Cindy Anthony will testify at a hearing this month in the case against daughter Casey Anthony, TV stations reported tonight.
“The hearing on July 15 is about the panicked 911 call that Cindy made, which launched the murder investigation against Casey,” WRDQ-Ch. 27 anchor Darrell Greene said.
Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. WRDQ, whose news is produced by sister station WFTV-Ch. 9, also reported that Lee Anthony has been ordered to testify at the hearing.
In the 10 p.m. news on WCKF-Ch. 18, WESH anchor Martha Sugalski said the State Attorney’s Office had served up a subpoena that Cindy would have to testify about the 911 call, which could be key in the case.
WESH reporter Michelle Meredith reminded viewers that Cindy had signaled the alarm in the case with her 911 call two years ago. But Cindy had little to say on Friday at Casey’s last hearing, Meredith noted.
Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby, who offers legal analysis for WESH, said prosecutors are “not offering to prove anything Cindy Anthony said is true. They’re only offering it purely to show why Casey Anthony did something.”
Hornsby theorized that Cindy Anthony will verify that Casey was sitting next to her during the 911 call and that it will put Casey’s version of events in context.
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I bet cindy is so beside herself,
And if she acts the way she did in the deposition,casey will certainly be fried..so to speak!
bbl,nobody here,lol
Lee Anthony has also been subpoenaed to testify.
I sent a link earlier today about it.
I’m looking forward to caseys case and the sentencing phase afterward. That will be full of bombshells, granny, a ton of ‘em.
cathyjo that post u copied and pasted is very interesting if there is any validity to it. I have heard over and over that there was noise from the MH but i cant remember the time and i never heard misty was outside. oh i never heard ron had scratches either, can anyone back up that part?
I’m just wondering how Casey will maintain her cool next Thursday. last time Cindy was questioned she has acted like a total ass. (thinking back to Cindy’s deposition in the Zenaida Gonzales case).
Lee-I wonder what he will think of having to testify facing the sister who accuses him of molesting her?
Should be interesting.
wow wish i would have been here for KP, was she saying cobra lied? she said it was amazing anyone was buying the bs about ron not being bio-dad, right?
would love to ask her what reason cobra would have to lie
CathyJo, I follow snapshot… on twitter!
mrsm, I am still not convinced the “KP” that posted here last night is actually Kim P., Crystal’s former attorney. But if it turns out that it actually was, I will have to say that is some of the most unprofessional behavior I have ever heard of from an attorney and she needs some serious mental health counseling (maybe you can offer your services, lol).
I only stay updated with the Caylee case. After they found that precious child, I had to pull away. I could not stomach the way Casey and her selfish behavior seemed to take over. Her own mother pretty much convicted her for me with her incessant lying. That little girl paid the price for the bitter tug of war between mother and daughter and in my opinion George was weak minded for letting this war continue on for years. I will remember Caylee on that video/pic with the great grandfather and sitting on his lap and with the book. He absolutely adored that child,it was plainly seen on his face as was hers. The well published picture is hard to see considering it made George and Cindy money to help pay for the defense of Caylee’s killer. In the end, that baby made them a living and I hope their conscience eats them alive for tainting the memory of their murdered grandchild. I only shed tears for Caylee, the rest deserve no sympathy–since they gave absolutely none for the one who deserved it the most–Caylee. JMO
whoever it was acted like they knew vaquera and maybe whylie and jaba…like they had had words b4 jmo
Ive pretty much have had my fill of one C Ant, but the thought of seeing her squirm or try and talk her way out of this yet again will be another one for the books no doubt. Bet she gets a raging case of spinning CRS. I don’t think shed be defiant, naw
As for Ron being biodad, it could be debatable. How many times have you seen children take on looks of their adoptive parents. It happens sometimes. I say he is the dad, but if someone told somebody else different to get her away from him, that could be possible as well. Who knows with this group anymore. Stories inside of stories. Main focus should be on finding this child. Somebody needs to speak up and out.
Hey guys,Yea Mrsm,thats why I posted it,it made me curious as sylvester da cat……Wouldn’t it be something tho!
Oh,I bet Sindy is irate,but if she acts the way she did in depositions,She’s just turning caseys frydaddy to the highest temp!
And For God’s sake shave those evil eyebrows and paint some pretty ones on!!
Adams,I have never been to twitter,lol
Gotta catch up!
My Grandson says her eyebrows look evil! LoL And he’s right!
omg Lady,it’ll take me back!
I followed it every single day till the day Haleigh went missing,and now I am getting irate myself again b/c of the letters and all from the devil and her daughter! lol jmo
LadySadie, I’m not sure how long you have followed this case, or been on forums and blogs that pertain to this case, but many have been here from the first day or two and some that post here have experienced KP’s postings on those sites.
I have absolutely no doubt that was KP. She has posted on several forums including Simon’s many times. She has even made her appearance on Sunday shows by calling in.
Mrsm, I am not sure you could say Cobra lied, exactly. It was said that he ruffled some feathers higher up by asking who Haleigh’s father is.
I don’t believe he said Ron wasn’t Haleigh’s father, at least I don’t think he said that, but I could be wrong.
LadySadie–I believe it was her (KP). I was on here when she posted the last time and she showed an email Tim Holmseth had sent her. It was an odd experience to say the least, the only constant in both instances is that “Bill” (I assume Cobra) told her to check the story out. What is up with that? I am beginning to wonder if Cobra is not trying to pay Kim back for her part in his recent legal troubles. He knows Kim’s weakness is her own ego. People like her suffer from grandiose ideas of their own self worth, hence her posting on blogs. She does need some help (mental heath that is). She is a media junkie and can’t stand the thought that she will go back to anonymity. I pay her no heed because she only comes on to tease and not give any worthwhile information. She wants to be the center of attention, even on a blog. Its basically pathetic to me and also should be looked at by the Bar for ethics violations. Her fifteen minutes of fame should have been over fourteen and a half minutes ago. She is one of the main reasons this case has turned into a circus like atmosphere (in my opinion). JMO
I was told it was KP too!
if it really WAS KP she gave us a big clue…she did not want to answer too much but one the most telling thing she said (if she can be believed) is that LE doesnt need another theory (meaning they already know what happened but cant prove it?) they need the silence to end….and she believes the 911 was staged hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
MrsM,yes his hand was busted up but he told le he hit the door with his fist!!
robin said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
LadySadie–I believe it was her (KP). I was on here when she posted the last time and she showed an email Tim Holmseth had sent her. It was an odd experience to say the least, the only constant in both instances is that “Bill” (I assume Cobra) told her to check the story out. What is up with that? I am beginning to wonder if Cobra is not trying to pay Kim back for her part in his recent legal troubles. He knows Kim’s weakness is her own ego. People like her suffer from grandiose ideas of their own self worth, hence her posting on blogs. She does need some help (mental heath that is). She is a media junkie and can’t stand the thought that she will go back to anonymity. I pay her no heed because she only comes on to tease and not give any worthwhile information. She wants to be the center of attention, even on a blog. Its basically pathetic to me and also should be looked at by the Bar for ethics violations. Her fifteen minutes of fame should have been over fourteen and a half minutes ago. She is one of the main reasons this case has turned into a circus like atmosphere (in my opinion). JMO
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All I can say is WOW. Absolutely her license to practice should be permanently revoked if this is true. Sure hope Simon keeps records of her posts (and corresponding IP).
yeppers MrsM,Like i said,misty needs to give the key over to open the door to the one who did it! jmo
robin,i dont know much about her. can you explain how and why she messed up the case?
Think I will have to ask my friendly Florida State Representative if this is considered ethical behavior by an attorney in the State of Florida.
robin said,in July 6th, 2010 at 7:46 pm I only stay updated with the Caylee case. After they found that precious child, I had to pull away. I could not stomach the way Casey and her selfish behavior seemed to take over. Her own mother pretty much convicted her for me with her incessant lying. That little girl paid the price for the bitter tug of war between mother and daughter and in my opinion George was weak minded for letting this war continue on for years. I will remember Caylee on that video/pic with the great grandfather and sitting on his lap and with the book. He absolutely adored that child,it was plainly seen on his face as was hers. The well published picture is hard to see considering it made George and Cindy money to help pay for the defense of Caylee’s killer. In the end, that baby made them a living and I hope their conscience eats them alive for tainting the memory of their murdered grandchild. I only shed tears for Caylee, the rest deserve no sympathy–since they gave absolutely none for the one who deserved it the most–Caylee. JMO
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No doubt about it here either Robin,They all turned their back on Caylee,the real victim!
She didn’t even get a jury when casey gave her the death penalty! jmo
I’ll be honest,I did not for one second believe it was her,till it was confirmed!
lol confirmed by rearend,Till I was told no doubt it was rather,lol
LadyDay,I just don’t evem worry about Haleighs dad,Ron was her dad imo! he was there from day one and still there till something went horribly wrong!
mrsm said,in July 6th, 2010 at 7:35 pm cathyjo that post u copied and pasted is very interesting if there is any validity to it. I have heard over and over that there was noise from the MH but i cant remember the time and i never heard misty was outside. oh i never heard ron had scratches either, can anyone back up that part?
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Mrsm,certainly is thought provoking!!!
I wish we knew!
lady sadie shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i for one want to hear whatever she cares to share! jmho
Kp knows when to stop talking just short of a problem for her.
Her ego seems to blur that line sometimes.
You know she’s reading these posts.
I think Vaq knows kim Mrsm!
you’d have to aske her for certain but i took it that way??
i agree with you cj about it not mattering about biology in regard to a dad, which ron was. it could be a motive tho….but i definitely think crystal would have had hell to pay if ron found out haleigh wasnt his….i dont think she would want that out even with money to be gained…jmo
The posts read like KP! With that being said, look to the one that directed her to the article!
thats how it looked to me cj
vaq knows kim??? who is vaq? hmmmmmm…..???
ba cent, at the time it seemed you didnt believe her at all…?what changed?
Right Mrsm,and the sheffs would have had custody along time ago,LoL
MrsM, what do you mean… I think you are mistaken!
honestly i bet crystal wouldnt have admitted that haleigh wasnt rons even to get custody…i know i wouldnt in her shoes! jmo
I really dunno MrsM,but IIRC she knows TN and KP personally IIHeardC????
LadySadie–I absolutely agree. She has to be one of the most unprofessional lawyers in her profession. I, for one, have never seen or heard of a lawyer in a high profile case actually posting on forums to the extent she had. I believe that she wants people to believe LE needs no more theories because it might open up a can of worms that she could not contain. You have to wonder if LE did look elsewhere, and I am not just talking about the Sheffield side, what they might find out. For some reason she wants people to believe the LE theory and then, just maybe, her media blitz on Ron and Misty would be justified (even though some would consider some of her means unethical). And her ego probably thinks she had a hand in putting those responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance behind bars. She is a piece of work and I hope she fades away eventually. Even though, and I hate to admit it, she is quite entertaining when she puts in an appearance here. She usually leaves when some want answers to some really important questions though. She always has an excuse why she cannot elaborate and I am thinking the whole time why the HE** is she even discussing this case with anonymous bloggers in the first place? JMO
i was lookin a you (ba cent) and “me” talking during KP’s posts…maybe you were just saying you felt she was trying to divert …i took it like you didnt believe it was her either…misunderstood i guess
robin,thats why a person can’t believe it!lol
what has she done lady?
MrsM,I cracked up at Little Bears post! too funny!
ooops, i meant robin
Ego.
MrsM,
No, not her diverting!!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Me,
Yes I think so… and KP is right on target… with peeps falling for it!
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This was in response to KP’s comment about the paternity… and people falling for the diversion. (paraphrasing)
Hey guys,
Had to stop in for a bit. I’m pretty sure it was KP here. I’ve been here when she’s posted before. Can’t be certain, but I think she did share some comments with Vaquera in the past.
You can tell it’s Kim partly because of her spelling & grammar. She sure wouldn’t take kindly to some hillybilly posting as her. I can say that cause I am a hillbilly. he he
ahhhhhhh i get it lol
so she WAS saying cobra is throwing false misleading info out there? y would he?
Its like she’s starring in her own movie.
mrsm said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
what has she done lady?
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I am guessing you mean Kim P? If she is posting on blogs regarding a case where she was the attorney for one of the persons involved in anyway (in this case the mother of a missing child who has filed a bar complaint against said attorney for such actions as blogging about the case), I would think that is highly unethical behavior and that sanctions could be levied against her. I know for one I would never use her as an attorney and would discourage anyone I knew against ever using her, guess it is a good thing her main practice is in South Florida not our area.
her grammer was not perfect storm…for all we know it could’ve been our very well spoken if lascivious oj
jaba said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Ego.
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Mental illness
i get that part lady….i meant how did she mess up the investigation early on
u guys would know…i trust your judgement…if y’all think it was her i’ll buy it
mrsm said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
i get that part lady….i meant how did she mess up the investigation early on
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Have no idea, I wasn’t posting on the blogs back then.
I am a hillbilly myself!!!! LoL
No, it wasn’t perfect grammar. I just meant it was the same as the last time she posted here. At least that who he/she claimed to be the last time. She bickers with the same bloggers too. Maybe it’s not her, but I believe it’s the same person who claimed to be her.
she definitely did have an ego…..i was just wondering y ppl have said she messed up the investigation
Take it from me Mrsm,I was very sleptical,but I was wrong too! LoL
Well, I certainly hope Kim P. never has any aspirations to hold a political office in the state of Florida, I would be one of the first to bring these types of blog postings to the forefront.
Nothing wrong with a hillbilly
Vaq said she knew it was her b/c she picked her out! LoL
so believe it was her, but we dont believe her?
We iz good ppl storm! LoL
ROFL Mrsm……believe so…..lol
No kidding. Never heard that before.
LS- it may be just that. It always comes back to her. The limelight and all. She can’t resist it. Its obvious to me, imo anyway.
i would think kp is in a position to have a good idea if any of the sheffs are involved…regardless of the level of professionalism she has or has not shown i would think that anyone close to haleigh’s case would not be sticking up for someone they know is shady…to me if she points away from the sheffs tho she no longer works for them then i give that some weight as a person in the know…no?
maybe it isnt so much “cocky” as it is frustrated to always see the case going in the wrong direction
Just popped in to say hello to everyone and add my 2 cents. LOL
Education does not prevent a person from being stupid.
what about this article would move KP to speak? she isnt even mentioned!
I know many “hillbillies” as you call them. I call them “country folk”, that are very intelligent.
wwhew got disconnected,Hey Treece!!
LoL Treece,I just never let skoolin get in the way of my edukashun,lol
Hello Treece!
mrsm said,in July 6th, 2010 at 8:51 pm her grammer was not perfect storm…for all we know it could’ve been our very well spoken if lascivious oj
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googling “lascivious” now…
Lack of self control makes you stupid.
Actually Treece,I am goofing off but honest,I can’t remember a time i wasn’t able to read so I dunno when I learned! LoL
lmao OJ *hint (paraphrasing) Misty can eat crackers in my bed anytime…ring any bells??
or maybe it was cereal???
Hiya OJ, I really hate to go there,skeert of the answer but who is lascivious”??
roflmsao@Mrsm! gooden’
never said anything like that
no body says YALL..thats only on tv
oh,n/m oj! I got my answer,lol
awwww dont make me search oj lol
You’re nutty too OJ,I always say it,ask Treece,I keep telling ya that!LoL
actually where i come from ppl say “Yins” not y’all lol
but ppl DO say y’all…you ever been to oklahoma??
I got news fur ye OJ,I also say,youins,yungins,over yonder…I’ll show ya!
Hay,youins yungins is over yonder!!!
LOL! I had to learn a whole new laguage when we moved to Texas!
like water off a ducks back…
CathyJo63 said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
LoL Treece,I just never let skoolin get in the way of my edukashun,lol
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Too funny!!! I’ve been tryin’ to learn how to spell edukashun, thanks for the lesson!!!! LOL
Hi Cent!!!!!!!
Its obviously ‘honey buns’ mrsm.
not cereal or crackers.
Anytime Treece,hewked on fonix werked fur me!
no one says ‘taters’ either..
i hear you granny…i had to get used to “do whaaaaa???” lmao
OJ’s glove said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
no body says YALL..thats only on tv
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Honey you aint been in my neighborhood, I say yall everyday!!!
Ron White does OJ! LMAO Tater salad!!! sooooo funny…love that guy!
I had to learn a whole new language to communicate with humans,rofl
MrsM–I am sorry I was not ignoring your question. I had to run do something. In my opinion (just mine of course) she turned a missing child’s case into a three ring circus and sideshow free for all. Her constant media attacks to me had absolutely nothing whatsoever to help find Haleigh and had everything to do with painting Ron as evil personified (Lord knows he was not helping his own case). Her antics were so unprofessional–blatantly (read the Bar complaint). What lawyer worth their salt would blog on forums and wage malicious attacks against the father of a missing child with the participation of other bloggers she “shared” information with. To me that is unprecedented and tasteless. She diverted the media away from the Sheffields with every opportunity by her on air convictions of Ron and his poor fathering skills. She had an agenda–and it was not to help the Sheffields– it was to gain fame and maybe a nice cozy expert spot on television (only my opinion though). The only one KIM thinks about is KIM herself and she was in it for what she could GAIN–not in the pursuit of finding Haleigh or Justice for her family. JMO
was bein essentially complimentary oj
I loved “they call me tater salad”
he is hilarious!
So in other words Robin,She did what everybody else has done,LoL
robin,it all sounds very unprofessional but could it be that she was just as mad as any of us would be if we knew who was guilty and couldnt get the proof???
Sad Robin,Sad! I agree with ya!!!
me too cj, dont really like any of the other blue collar guys, but he is just so dry droll and sarcastic….love him! kills me wondering if he is really drinking bourbon or if it is applejuice though
wasn’t she on AH’ Side of things too Robin??
not that it matters to me,Just trying to weed out who goes with who?
i mean i assume she is privy to info we are not, no?
mrsm said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
robin,it all sounds very unprofessional but could it be that she was just as mad as any of us would be if we knew who was guilty and couldnt get the proof???
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Ahhh, but there is a BIG, HUGE, difference between “any of us”, and an attorney that had any involvement in the case.
I swear to you Mrsm,that was my next post to you,omg I think it is!
Ain’t nobody drinks that much juice,lol
i get your ethical concerns LS, just tryin to get beyond that (thats between her god and the bar) and look at the motivation and the implications
cj if it is just a persona he puts on he is darn good at it
Well how could you believe anything she would have to say when she has no ethics?
MrsM,Her,God and the bar,rofl
like ron white,God and the bar,rofl
I agree LS. Different ‘standards’, one would think.
he has the florid complexion of a champion imbiber
there is an amber alert for a 4 yr old, anyone know what state?
mrsm, Amber Alert – Missouri
LOUISIANA, Mo. | Authorities are scouring eastern Missouri for clues in the apparent abduction of a 4-year-old girl from the front yard of her home.
Police in the town of Louisiana say Alisa Maier was playing with her 5-year-old brother Monday night when a black four-door passenger car pulled up and took her away.
Authorities have issued an Amber Alert. Maier is described as 3 feet tall and 40 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a white T-shirt and blue jean shorts.
KSDK reports that police have only a vague description of the alleged abductor. He is possibly a white male with dark hair and maybe in his late teens or early 20′s.
Louisiana Police Chief Richard Hughes says that the only witness to the alleged crime remains the girl’s brother.
OMG,Thats terrible! Right out of her yard!
dont kno Lady, but i wouldnt have any ethics either if i knew who took haleigh and couldnt proove it….i’d be “campaigning” too
jmo dont really know much about her playin devils advocate more than anything
Thats a good point too Mrsm,I’d find a way If that were the case!If I knew who did it,f’ ethics!
Though,in all honesty it ticked me off when she tried to make cs look like an angel against Ron! Ron hasn’t done one thing she hasn’t! jmo
Mothers have a bigger chance than anyone to gain custody,ya know! She just didn’t want to be one….imvho
ethics are very grey to begin with in most cases
But it’s got nothing to do with KP ethics,lol Just CathyJo’s, LoL
CathyJo…. yes, he has… got himself locked the hell up!
Well,that we know of anyway!
lol you got me there Adams,lol can’t argue!
MrsM–I heard that Peggy Cone was sharing case details with KimP (if I recall correctly). What lawyer insinuates herself in the actual investigation process? She did. Remember last night when she said she had more information of Joe than anyone in the case? Hmmmm..She was supposed to be the media spokesperson for Crystal and help her in the custody issues. I am suspect (just my opinion) of anything having to do with Haleigh investigation that KimP was involved in. We have seen the great lengths she will go to get her point across and to anyone that steps into her line of fire (Cobra should be leery of her in MHO). She is not an investigator but a lawyer and she should have left that to PCSO. She tainted the investigation with her nefarious sleuthing (IMO) and frankly with her reputation in limbo she has put Cobra and what he tried to do in not a great light either. AH was her media go to guy so I don’t see KIM as a modicum for decency and the truth. They have all become fame seekers at the expense of a missing child (I am talking about Kim and Art) so shame on them for that alone. JMO
but you forget Adams,he did it to get the witch a cell?? hmmm
ba i usually agree with your take,but respectfully, just cuz ron got caught at it and she didnt doesnt make him any better if she is an involved with drugs as it is said she is
hmmmm maybe robin, i just keepthinking if she had so much inside info maybe she has acted the way she has for a reason! beyond just having CS for a client for awhile.
mrsm said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
dont kno Lady, but i wouldnt have any ethics either if i knew who took haleigh and couldnt proove it….i’d be “campaigning” too
jmo dont really know much about her playin devils advocate more than anything
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Different standard for attorneys, especially on that represented any party in the matter.
ok so she was gathering dirt on ron to help crystal get custody of junior. maybe there was some serious dirt!
robin said,in July 6th, 2010 at 10:04 pm MrsM–I heard that Peggy Cone was sharing case details with KimP (if I recall correctly). What lawyer insinuates herself in the actual investigation process? She did. Remember last night when she said she had more information of Joe than anyone in the case? Hmmmm..She was supposed to be the media spokesperson for Crystal and help her in the custody issues. I am suspect (just my opinion) of anything having to do with Haleigh investigation that KimP was involved in. We have seen the great lengths she will go to get her point across and to anyone that steps into her line of fire (Cobra should be leery of her in MHO). She is not an investigator but a lawyer and she should have left that to PCSO. She tainted the investigation with her nefarious sleuthing (IMO) and frankly with her reputation in limbo she has put Cobra and what he tried to do in not a great light either. AH was her media go to guy so I don’t see KIM as a modicum for decency and the truth. They have all become fame seekers at the expense of a missing child (I am talking about Kim and Art) so shame on them for that alone. JMO
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exactly…rates right up there with Hope’s lawyer.
and isnt investigating part of a lawyers job at times? thinking of tom cruise in “a few good men”..lol
I never said that CS was any better… I said he got himself locked UP!
like i said, playin devils advocate…i guess i am just wishing for an insiders two cents (that can be trusted)
LoL OJ,you ain’t kidding!
and i just feel strongly that anyone involved in this case should be aligned with haleigh and finding and bringing to light the TRUTH…to he** with ethics! If Tommy’s lawyer suspects he is culpable in some way then kudos to him for seemingly throwing tommy under the bus
MrsM,we’ll be lucky to ever get that!
Ain’t none of em got ethics seems to me!
i dunno, dont think i could maintain my balance on an ethical high horse if i knew who was responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance or death
right,MrsM!!!!
Did Tommy go to court today, if so any details. Thanks
It’s just so sad to see all this happening and at the expence of a missing child!And she is a victim 1000 times over because of it! jmo One little 5 yr old girl and all these grownups,but yet,No one to help her by being honest!
Dunno how they sleep at night! jmo
Yes,Luke,it was continued IIRC to 8-6-2010!
Maybe someone else knows more about it tho Luke,Sorry!
Oman,lost trak,bb in a sec,have to call my daughter before she goes to bad!
MrsM–Kim P and Tommy’s lawyer swore to uphold the letter of the law. Ethics should be a strong suit in them maintaining their professionalism. To throw their ethics away to throw their client under the bus, IMO, makes them NO better than the criminal they are defending. Why take their case if they did not believe in their client’s innocence? Could they have had FAME in their eyes because I don’t think anyone twisted their arms to take these cases (unless Werter is a public defender)? Sorry, but I think every lawyer in this case is suspect. Where is their allegience to their client? I only see lawyers (in this case) that like to see their face on the other side of the tv camera. I wish all would keep their mouth shut like they have told their clients. Maybe they need to practice what they preach! JMO
to bed,LoL After i hit post i saw bad,lol
Yes,Luke,it was continued IIRC to 8-6-2010!
Thanks CathyJO
I very clearly remember KP posting that JO was not involved. I also remember KP posting, it is not a crime to lie to media or public.
KP did her job. She was hired to get custody away from Ron and to put Crystal in a better light so that the donations would come in, and the public would look favorably on Crystal and hate Ron.
That is what she did, and she did it well. While she was not able to get custody away from Ron she sure gave it a good shot.
The circus and what happened in the investigation all falls on Crystal’s shoulders. She was warned what would happen if she kept up the character assassination. She was warned that the focus would be taken off of finding Haleigh. Crystal did not listen.
Haleigh depended on Ron and Crystal to do everything possible to help find her. It was their duty as her parents. Crystal not only did not fulfill her duty she did everything in her power to prevent Ron from fulfilling his duty to Haleigh as well.
I hate most of what KP and Cobra and others did in Satsuma BUT the blame lies with Crystal. She brought in the circus, allowed it to happen, and profited from it.
And that is something that Crystal will have to live with for the rest of her life.
LadySadie said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Well, I certainly hope Kim P. never has any aspirations to hold a political office in the state of Florida, I would be one of the first to bring these types of blog postings to the forefront.
) she wants to run for judge.
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Funny you should mention that.LOL According to cobra(I hope I don’t piss Kim off again
vaquera said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Funny you should mention that.LOL According to cobra(I hope I don’t piss Kim off again
) she wants to run for judge. 
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And another mouthful of Pepsi hits the screen.
Little Bear said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
mrsm said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
y are y’all so sure that was the real KP
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Jan and Simon will know for sure from her IP, but, I assume it was because vaquera “pissed” her off w/ the AH comment.
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That was definitely Kim
lol vaq, lady popped it up so u could spike it
do u know her personally vaq? or just from here?
Ha, Whylie. Guess we’re going to owe you a case of pepsi before this is over. LOL
LOL, geez!
WhyLie–I absolutely feel the same way. I also think Crystal had a little help in this and I do not think she had the smarts to engineer this either. I think the blame for that falls on Marie and Kim. But I think Crystal could have stopped this mudslinging and character assassination if she had of put her foot down. She has done herself no favors in my book. I, for one, cannot comprehend her silence. If my daughter was missing I would be out there day in and day out DEMANDING answers. I would become a public fixture until the day my daughter was found. I have a BIG problem with Crystal’s behavior during this and NOW. Where is Haleigh and why hasn’t Crystal not demanded some answers! Why hasn’t she exercised her RIGHTS some basic information to how this investigation is going?
so now that she has denied it do you still think she paid AH vaq?
do you think she is unethical as is the consensus here, or do you think she is mad as hell cuz she knows who took haleigh and cant prove it?
CathyJo63 said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
I think Vaq knows kim Mrsm!
you’d have to aske her for certain but i took it that way??
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Not personally outside of posting with her at websleuths and some other dramaramas. LOL
Oh ok Vaq,Sorry,LoL
what do you think her motivation was for being here vaq?
WhyLie said,in July 6th, 2010 at 10:53 pm I very clearly remember KP posting that JO was not involved. I also remember KP posting, it is not a crime to lie to media or public.
KP did her job. She was hired to get custody away from Ron and to put Crystal in a better light so that the donations would come in, and the public would look favorably on Crystal and hate Ron.
That is what she did, and she did it well. While she was not able to get custody away from Ron she sure gave it a good shot.
The circus and what happened in the investigation all falls on Crystal’s shoulders. She was warned what would happen if she kept up the character assassination. She was warned that the focus would be taken off of finding Haleigh. Crystal did not listen.
Haleigh depended on Ron and Crystal to do everything possible to help find her. It was their duty as her parents. Crystal not only did not fulfill her duty she did everything in her power to prevent Ron from fulfilling his duty to Haleigh as well.
I hate most of what KP and Cobra and others did in Satsuma BUT the blame lies with Crystal. She brought in the circus, allowed it to happen, and profited from it.
And that is something that Crystal will have to live with for the rest of her life.
I agree with you almost 100%, WhyLie, the only difference being that I would substitute “Marie” wherever you have “Crystal”. I have never thought that Crystal had enough ability to have come up with a strategy and hired anyone. Her mother engineered every move and statement that Crystal made in the original custody transcripts and was by her side and often spoke for her in interviews after Haleigh was taken. There is no doubt that Marie hired KP for the anti-Ron campaign (as you say) but eventually there was conflict between these two strong-minded women and the relationship soured.
Amen Aligoo!
Aligoo, I understand what you are saying, BUT Marie is not Haleigh’s mother, Crystal is. The buck stops with her. She chose not to exercise her right to control the situation and to keep the focus on finding Haleigh. That was her choice to make and she made it.
tobias said,in July 6th, 2010 at 10:24 am One thing we need to look at is if there is no connection to Ron why didnt the DA accept his deal? Wouldnt they want to let Ron suffer a lesser charge if he is not connected in the Haleigh case? Why wouldnt they give him the 15 if he is just guilty in the drug deal? jmo
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If Hope, Donna, and Ron all get serious sentences and now only Tommy and Misty are left then this maximizes the pressure on these two to break their silence, doesn’t it?
Off Topic a sec!
I saw those pix of Lindsey Lohan a second ago,omg she took a crying fit in court when she was sentenced and I thought wow,if She was in Mistys shoes she’d sure as heck die!
Her time ain’t even close to Mistys!
I don’t disagree with you on that, WhyLie.
robin said,in July 6th, 2010 at 9:37 pm MrsM–I am sorry I was not ignoring your question. I had to run do something. In my opinion (just mine of course) she turned a missing child’s case into a three ring circus and sideshow free for all. Her constant media attacks to me had absolutely nothing whatsoever to help find Haleigh and had everything to do with painting Ron as evil personified (Lord knows he was not helping his own case). Her antics were so unprofessional–blatantly (read the Bar complaint). What lawyer worth their salt would blog on forums and wage malicious attacks against the father of a missing child with the participation of other bloggers she “shared” information with. To me that is unprecedented and tasteless. She diverted the media away from the Sheffields with every opportunity by her on air convictions of Ron and his poor fathering skills. She had an agenda–and it was not to help the Sheffields– it was to gain fame and maybe a nice cozy expert spot on television (only my opinion though). The only one KIM thinks about is KIM herself and she was in it for what she could GAIN–not in the pursuit of finding Haleigh or Justice for her family. JMO
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IMVHO – Post of the day Robin, you hit the nail on the head.
She just can’t resist can she? What an ego?
As someone else stated, where’s Staff500 when we need her/him? LMAO
As for you rolling over Rocket Man, Good Boy!! Do you sit, fetch, lie down on command also? Oh, and, what is it that Timmy H. has on audio that you don’t want released or you’ll expose everything?
Shameful IMO
MrsM said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
what do you think her motivation was for being here vaq?
Seriously though. she pops up on the boards from time to time, she’s posted here before as KLP and at Arts, Websleuths, and Radio’s and other places over the last 16 months. Oh yea and she had a couple of twitter accounts.
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I pissed her off
MrsM said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
so now that she has denied it do you still think she paid AH vaq?
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I reread her rebuttal last night and all it said is she retained Art for some media consulting. I did my mea culpa for her.
vaquera said,in July 6th, 2010 at 10:57 pm LadySadie said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Well, I certainly hope Kim P. never has any aspirations to hold a political office in the state of Florida, I would be one of the first to bring these types of blog postings to the forefront.
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Funny you should mention that.LOL According to cobra(I hope I don’t piss Kim off again ) she wants to run for judge.
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OMG, I just choked, you can’t be serious?
What’ll she be judging, Mr. Universe Competitions? Turn your backs all, I’m dropping my draws lmaooooooooo Cobra makes me laugh so hard at times!
Here’s something I don’t quite get. If Ron were involved, I can see the motive that Misty had for covering for him – she loved him and having a relationship with him was, in her mind, status. But I can’t see anyone else covering for Ron, especially Tommy. What would his motive be? Fear of Ron?? I certainly doubt this. He fingered Joe after he said that he was afraid of Joe. Loyalty to Misty because Misty loved Ron? I doubt this too.
I cannot think of anything that Ron could hold over Tommy’s head, especially at this point, that could cause Tommy to not finger Ron if Ron were involved in any way. This is the biggest reasons I don’t think Ron was involved.
From all that we know, I think the answer is simple. LE knows that either two (Misty & Tommy) or three (Misty, Tommy, & Joe) were involved, but prosecutors don’t have enough evidence to convict. They need someone to break and collaborate the evidence and they are still attempting to apply pressure to make this happen.
I googled KP,and found this so Thought it might be interesting to you guys too!
Kim Picazio Respone said,in January 5th, 2010
8:00 am
Here are some of Kim Picasso’s exact statements about her Client Crystal Sheffield, the mother of missing child Haleigh Cummings. A link is posted at the bottom of these quotes of the exact words of Crystal Sheffield’s lawyer Kim Picazio.
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis and where their focus was in the time Haleigh Cummings had just gone missing.
In fact, days before the child went missing, Crystal had been served with a Motion for Contempt and a notice to appear in court for failure to pay child support to the custodial parent. Crystal had paid less than one thousand dollars ($1.000) of her child support
obligation since 2005. Of course, in the initial months of Haleigh’s disappearance, the last thing that I thought was appropriate would be to seek a modification of child support based on the fact that one child had been abducted. At all times, Marie Griffis felt we should file a court action lowering the amount Crystal was to pay to Ronald Cummings for support. Such an action was, in my opinion, highly inappropriate while investigators were still actively seeking to find little Haleigh and 0bring her home safely.
They (Crystal and her family) firmly believed that the family’s telephones and homes were being wire tapped, and that they were under surveillance by authorities, the media, and the Cummings family. The picture that was initially presented to me upon my entry into the case was much different than what I later learned to be factually true Marie Griffis. Marie was at all times outspoken, demanding, and extremely controlling of Crystal. She insisted that certain aspects of the case be divulged to the media. Mostly, this information related to negative rumors about Ronald Cummings. I learned that Marie Griffis had already begun a rather formal and publicized campaign for donations for her family. When I first arrived in Satsuma, I noted a handwritten poster at the family’s Haleigh Tent advertising a raffle for a Ford Expedition to take place on March 16, 2009. Further, the family and their friends had organized charity events in Haleigh’s honor at local businesses, set out donation jugs in town and at the tent, ordered tee shirts, pins and other trinkets with Haleigh’s picture and information displayed, and were selling these items for a profit to locals and tourists. All proceeds were, at that juncture, unaccounted for to my knowledge, and were being spent as they came in by the Crystal and Marie Griffis.By early May, 2009, I was informed by Marie that all funds from donations had been spent by the family Marie Griffis expressed her desire to form a nonprofit organization to seek donations from the public. I became aware that Marie had already been in negotiations with a concert promoter to hold a concert event to honor Haleigh, and to gain contributions and funds. . Ihighly disagreed with such organized efforts to raise money in the name of the search for Haleigh Cummings. Crystal and Marie never funded one searvh for Haleigh Cummings and paid NONE of the costs of the Haleighbug Center. Kim Picazio paid for the Haleighbug Center. Crystal and Marie kept all the money for the “searches” Crystal’s seeking of donations was insidious, and was an attempt to make a living off her own missing child
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield and the custody issues with Ron Cummings over Junior and Haleigh Cummings.
Upon reviewing the court file, I found that my client had not been completely honest with me regarding her involvement in the Paternity proceedings of 2005. Affidavit of Service of
the original Petition for to Establish Paternity, personally served on Crystal Sheffield. Crystal then missed the Final Hearing.I realized that I had not been given thorough or accurate information regarding the procedural history of the paternity action. The procedures followed by the Court were standard. Crystal had had her day in Court, and had lost – fair and square. Crystal and her family, in an effort to raise her public image, had told numerous media outlets that the only reason that she did not have custody of her children was that she was not served with court papers, and had lost custody by default. Also, she claimed on national television that Ronald had kidnapped the children, and that his family, through their collusion and “connections” in the courthouse, made sure that Ronald retained custody of the children. This claim was simply untrue, and I was wholly unwilling to corroborate their previous version of the court file. I spent numerous meetings with Crystal and her mother, explaining that I could not attest facts that were untrue to the media, or to anyone else. At that time,I believe that a wedge began to form between Marie Griffis and I.
Kim Picasso on Crystal Sheffield and her drug abuse issues.
Crystal’s former private investigator William Staubs entered into a contract for investigative work with Crystal’s Father, Johnny Sheffield. Surprisingly, Crystal’s own father began doing interviews with avant guard media forums claiming that Crystal had a present drug problem, and was in need of rehabilitation. ,
Crystal Sheffield suffered a seizure while driving her vehicle with her infant daughter
in the car. Upon learning of the car accident, I was then informed by Crystal’s fiancé
for the first time that Crystal had been previously instructed not to drive her vehicle by her
primary care physician, as she had suffered seizures in the past. Unbeknownst to me, Crystal’s father had come upon the scene of her car accident to assist his daughter. Crystal’s Father has allegedly executed a sworn affidavit stating that when he came upon the scene of the accident, Crystal admitted to being on prescription pain medication (unprescribed), and gave her father the pills to hide from the police who were on their way to the accident site
The Department of Children and Families became aware of the allegations of drug use by Crystal. DCF requested a random toxicology test of Crystal Sheffield, during the course of their investigation, as they found it relevant to investigate Crystal’s fitness as a parent.
At that time, in June 2009, I learned from DCF that Crystal’s infant daughter, Chloe,
not even one (1) year of age, had been born with illegal narcotics in her system due to
Crystal’s drug use during her pregnancy. .
I felt as if I was only being told relevant information by the family, after a fiasco
had occurred. I could not represent a client who was not being honest with me, and was
taking illegal drugs. To make matters worse, In April 2009, Crystal admitted to me that
she had taken unprescribed pain medication. Further, her mother, Marie Griffis, reported
to me that Crystal had stolen her step-father’s pain medication after he had surgery in April.
There was evidence of her recent drug use and driving while under the influence of unprescribed pain medication. Further, her own Father had strongly represented to the media that he would testify that she was not fit to care for her children, due to her consistent drug use.
Despite Marie Griffis demanding I file a modification proceeding to seek custody of Crystal’s son in Ronald Cummings’ care, I was not willing to lie to the Court, and I did not feel that such an action would be successful. Marie Griffis became increasingly angered at my hesitancy to file a court action
for a change of custody. In good faith,was simply not willing to file such a pleading,
knowing my client was using drugs.,I informed Crystal and Marie on several occasions
of my recommendations and my opinions, but it was met with anger and frustration. There were many times that I requested private meetings with my client alone, as otherwise, her mother would insert her own feelings and demands on me and the case strategy, leaving Crystal’s feelings and desires unheard and discarded.
Kim Picazio On Crystal Sheffield and her involvement with her children Junior and Haleigh Cummings.
Crystal had never complained about her complete lack of involvement in her children’s lives since 2005. She did not attend doctors or dentist appointments, or even know who their medical care providers were. She did not ever visit the children during the week, even though her Final Judgment provided that the alternating weekends were a minimum visitation schedule, and permitted her to see the children duringthe week upon notice. Crystal did not speak with her children over the telephone during the week, and her only contact with them was roughly four (4) days per month on alternating weekends. Crystal had not been involved in Haleigh’s school, school functions, and did not even know what school Ronald, Jr. would be attending in the Fall of 2009.
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield and the police investigation.
Although I gave specific recommendations and guidance to Crystal to call the Sheriff’s
Office once per week to check on the status of Haleigh’s case, she failed to do so.
I do not believe she called the Sheriff’s Office for a status report on a single occasion
during my representation.
It was my understanding that Crystal was not a prime suspect in the case.
I attempted to persuade the family that we needed to heed the directives of law enforcement. Unfortunately, my recommendations were met with great resistance and anger by Marie Griffis
This was due to the fact that their animosity toward Ronald Cummings had previously resulted in family members and friends erupting to reporters, cursing, and present as vindictive. Such public animosity and unbridled blame did not serve Crystal’s interests, or make good impressions on the law enforcement team that were investigating Haleigh’s disappearance.
I do not think that LE believes JO is involved. If they did, they had an eyewitness with TC’s statements, of course that is presuming that TC told LE what Werter released to the public and what we heard in the jail tape. TC could have told LE something completely different, we don’t really know.
I think the pressure is on TC to get a confession from him. I don’t think Misty can give LE the eyewitness information that LE wants her to give or that they need to get a conviction.
LE needs an eyewitness which would put that person at the scene and probably participating to some degree, or they need a confession. I don’t think after 16 months LE is capable of getting either.
According to that,MG made the rules,IDK!
I agree , rondo was at werk. Misty was right there and tommy was down the road a piece.
WhyLie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 12:10 am I do not think that LE believes JO is involved. If they did, they had an eyewitness with TC’s statements, of course that is presuming that TC told LE what Werter released to the public and what we heard in the jail tape. TC could have told LE something completely different, we don’t really know.
I think the pressure is on TC to get a confession from him.
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I tend to agree with you and that only Misty and Tommy know exactly what happened. I think they agreed on a story and staged the scene, or Misty staged it while Tommy disposed of the child’s body. JO made a good scapegoat so they agreed to blame him.
I think LE initially thought that they could break Misty, but as time went on TC has shown himself to be potentially the weaker of the two. Lindsy’s leaving has made him more vulnerable. Unfortunately, he has shown himself to be pretty much a liar and this may hurt LE’s strategy.
I think there may be another deterrent to Misty and, especially Tommy, from confessing and it’s a major one. This would be if Misty called Timmy that night and he came over and helped Tommy dispose of the child’s body. Timmy has always seemed to be the “good” brother and the one who everyone looked up to. Both Misty and Tommy seem to have the most loyalty to him out of all the family members. The last thing they would ever want is to implicate him and drag him down.
Did I shut the conversation down?
I think LE initially thought that they could break Misty, but as time went on TC has shown himself to be potentially the weaker of the two. Lindsy’s leaving has made him more vulnerable. Unfortunately, he has shown himself to be pretty much a liar and this may hurt LE’s strategy.
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Aligoo,I have always thought Jo was the scapegoat…..and I think they thought they’d break Misty but they couldn’t because there’s nothing to break,LoL JMO
LoL No Aligoo, you didn’t!
I was multitasking,lol
I like your lil sad face,lol
This sad little face is getting to bed. I still think the Timmy aspect is something to think about. We have heard several people hint that more arrests are on the way.
Goodnight!
Some great news Alisa Maier has been found alive in Fenton, MO about 84 miles away..
Abducted 4-year-old girl is found alive in Fenton
FENTON • A girl missing from Louisiana, Mo., for more than a day was found Tuesday night in a strip mall parking lot on the other side of the St. Louis metro area in Fenton, police said.
St. Louis County police said they received a call at 9:45 p.m. for a boy wandering around in the parking lot of a strip mall near Highway 141 and Gravois Road. The “boy” turned out to be 4-year-old Alisa Maier, police said.
Additional details were not yet available as of 12:45 this morning.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/article_6fc3a6bb-9c7b-53a6-ac34-92e06ceb3638.html
Snipped from a WESH News article 4 days after Haleigh went missing:
MC:I just want everyone to know that I didn’t do anything with that little girl. I love her like she’s my own, and I’ll do anything to get her back,” Croslin said.
State officials use a helicopter to conduct a search for Haleigh Cummings.
The girl’s mother’s family wasn’t convinced of Croslin’s innocence.
“That girl knows something,” said Haleigh’s grandmother, Marie Griffis.
“Why is he allowing her to stay at home alone with his two minor children?” Griffis said. “She was the last person who physically saw her walking on the face of this Earth.
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She didn’t speak in a past tense at all 4 days after!
And then “Mrs I let my daughter stay with Ron and he never brought her back at age 14 so i didn’t see her for 2 yrs”
asks why is he letting her babysit,good Lord!!
gnite guys!!!
Abducted 4-year-old girl found in car wash
Missouri girl snatched from front yard undergoes exam at hospital
ST. LOUIS — A 4-year-old girl taken from her Louisiana, Mo., front yard has been found alive 80 miles away near St. Louis, NBC News reported late Tuesday
msnbc.msn.com
Great news!
Thank God she was found! I hope she is ok and that they catch the little perv who took her!
WhyLie said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
vaquera said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Funny you should mention that.LOL According to cobra(I hope I don’t piss Kim off again ) she wants to run for judge.
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And another mouthful of Pepsi hits the screen.
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With me it was coffee!
vaquera said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Funny you should mention that.LOL According to cobra(I hope I don’t piss Kim off again ) she wants to run for judge.
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I think judging beauty contests or the like would be – actually SHOULD BE – the height of KP’s “judging” capabilities. And even then I couldn’t trust her to be ethical or above board.
(And I do not care if she gets mad at me. It’s certainly annoying to step in poo but it does wash off the bottom of my shoe)
The only thing m2c is sometimes it is knee deep!!
You’re right, Andy! LOL! But I’ve got hip high waders for those occasions!
Of course this situation stinks so bad I may need to break out my HazMat suit!
LOL
OJ’s glove said,in July 7th, 2010 at 2:14 am Abducted 4-year-old girl found in car wash
Missouri girl snatched from front yard undergoes exam at hospital
ST. LOUIS — A 4-year-old girl taken from her Louisiana, Mo., front yard has been found alive 80 miles away near St. Louis, NBC News reported late Tuesday
msnbc.msn.com
Thank God,Thanks Oj! thats good news! Now,If we could just find Haleigh!
bb in an hour!
Dropping in to say hi. Hope Haleigh is found today.
Have a great discussion.
anybody home? lol
morning cathy..
the next court case is rons right?
what date is that if you know?
Thanks CathyJo for that statement from KP. An attorney can never do their job throughly if their client lies or shields the truth. Also thanks for the reminder of the quote from MG. that takes a lot of nerve for her to throw that out there. She never called the police on Ron? Her daughter was 14? Says a lot for MG, doesnt it. They all used little Haleigh, they didnt care one iota, but they all took up the cause for the money aspect of it, sick, totally sick!
Those children should not be around any of them IMO. Theyd be much better off with a loving, stable and secure family.
Lets keep those prayers going, that somethng breaks, that someone finds Haleigh, please.
OJ’s glove said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:14 am
Abducted 4-year-old girl found in car wash
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Miracles do happen!. Please God let Haleigh be another miracle!
WhyLie said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 11:10 am
OJ’s glove said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:14 am
Abducted 4-year-old girl found in car wash
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Miracles do happen!. Please God let Haleigh be another miracle!
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AMen!!!!!!!!!!
LadyDay,You are very Welcome!
IIRC OJ,The 19th??
LadyDay said,in July 7th, 2010 at 10:45 am
ITA With your post LadyDay!
Burns my butt that these people,her family put more into taking donations than they ever spent searching for Haleigh!
And Lady,Sometime’s I think MG followed Cindys plan!
As long as Haleigh was assumed to be living,more money! Pitiful!!
She was the one saying,I feel her,she’s in Ga or Al,She’s crying for her mommy and daddy! pfffffft jmo
thank you, I’ve read it a dozen times but never retain it..ron will plead..
misty takes it to 12..
Posted on May 13th, 2010
by Simon Barrett
The father of missing Florida girl Haleigh Cummings was in court this morning, he faces a July 19 trial date for his participation in the prescription drug sting that rounded up not just him but also Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin, Hope Sykes, and the ex Equusearch member Donna Brock.
After the hearing Cummings attorney Terry Shoemaker explained that the trial was unlikely to proceed. His client will most probably accept a plea deal agreeing to plead guilty on three of the five charges. The three charge each carry a minimum sentence of 15 years. Wow, some plea deal, 45 years behind bars! The two charges being dropped each carry a minimum of 25 years, so I guess he is getting a bargain.
Part of the plea deal apparently includes Ronald Cummings agreeing to testify against his co-defendants.
One thing is very clear, the PCSO are playing some very serious hardball with this group. Tommy Croslin is slated to be in court at 1:30pm eastern today, it will be interesting to see how that hearing transpires. For some time he has been saying that the worst case scenario is a three year sentence. I wonder if he might want to rethink that?
Misty Croslin faces the most charges and is facing a three digit year sentence. I would imagine that she is quaking in her boots right about now.
None of this is helping find Haleigh Cummings, but it is clear that the PCSO are determined to get some justice one way or another.
Simon Barrett
Misty,a 3 digit sentence?
What a shame!
You are very welcome OJ!
OJ,I had worked all morning on a draft to list everything that happened the day she went missing,the odd things they’ve said,
who bought and got rid of vehicles,the contradictions of all,and Bam,Lost it all!
Its not in drafts,trash nowhere,disappeared just like poor lil Haleigh?
I had forgotten Ron bought his truck after Haleigh went missing? My God,he wasn’t even working?
and then he puts,Only God can Judge me on it!
too weird not to be useful info! jmo
and it wasn’t small either, covered the whole back window..
I had been going through all this stuff and a few things stand out even more to me now!
At that time le thought it was a stranger abduction, who was judging HIM?
right OJ,and God will deliver daddys little girl home too,huge wasn’t it?
Remember the balloon he and misty released or for Haleigh?
The one phone call with GS telling him to watch what he says in jail, watch out for the snitch in there.. per Teresa… If he has nothing to hide, why does he have to watch what he says?
CathyJo, I think youre right about MG following ‘The Loose Caboose’ aka CA except they executed it all wrong. It should have been an agreed, combined effort between the families-if they truly cared. A bit off topic, but I certainly do not agree how a certain ‘field reporter’ got paid the way he did. He was covering a continuing topic on a certain show and he should have been paid per his contract, if any, with said company. All this money being spread around for everyone else’s benefit except where it mattered most-Haleigh. Besides all those cars being conviently dumped at some wrecking yard all around the same time, why was there such a need to plant so-called evidence at the CS camp? To me, that was a sorry attempt to try and keep prying noses out of what really was going on, at the same time get some media coverage, point more fingers, but the finger only pointed to the numbskulls to tried to pull one over. People faced with a serious matter just don’t go out of their way to do those things. Why was it so important for CC who had no dog in this fight to go on camera and claim the van was hers when it was not? This sad case grew legs like KP said, and got out of control. IMO there is much more to this than meets the eye. Too many people and too many diversions and mistruths for anyone’s own good. I still think Haleigh was taken out of there for a reason, somebody had their fill of what was going on and did something about it and I think because Misty probably talked with her little friend, Nay Nay, that’s where word got out. Between Ron beating on Misty, her going out for the weekend, Amber supposedly being at Rons that same weekend, all these hoodlums being around each other, I think that was the beginning of the end. Too many had it in for Ronald, a few had it in for Misty, cause for disaster and somebody put their foot down.
also I posted a quote from JS here last night but ts gone and i got it from WESH News!
But it made me wonder why JS would say what he did,about the preacher Telling him Haleigh was alive and he knew that preacher was always right?? (weird) but anyhoo it makes ya wonder what if someday Haleigh did show up miraculously and ole js says,the preacher was right,toldya? Would not shock me a bit!
because lawyers can twist anything you say to make you look guilty.. whos gonna believe a jailhouse rat or undercover plant? They say what LE wants them to say..which is what tomme and misty have been doing..to stop the TORTURE like pressure tactics of LE..it is LE that has squeezed out the red herrings, not inmates FORCED to cooperate.
Misty will be found NOT GUILTY.
I know Lady,Boy Do I,these people all,all sides have done everything they could to mess it up but I never saw a father defend a babysitter they knew for 4 months,especially when she had Haleigh last and IMO Misty is covering for ron,she knows too!He’d kill her in a heartbeat! imvho
But I also think the sheffs and griffis saw money signs and added extras for themselves for tv drama! jmo
I’d a hitched a ride on that caboose
Yes, CathyJo, I believe Ron bought the truck, the tattoo’s, bought things for his wedding at the same time. I think that saying on the back of the truck was for the media’s and public’s benefit.
I agree, TN should have been telling him be careful what you say because the media is going to get a hold of this. If there’s nothing to hide, why say such a thing? I think Ron knows all too well about snitches-Rat in mailbox.
Misty, a three digit sentence for a no digit mind-numericals.
If Misty knew OJ,She’d have spilled her guts right off the bat!
Look at LL yesterday OJ,She got 90 days and omg she went ballistic,imagine if she faced a 3 digit sentence,LoL Ya know!
Well, Whoo Whooo and All Aboard-Chug-A-Chuga-Who’s gonna toot that horn-lol.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 11:58 am
The one phone call with GS telling him to watch what he says in jail, watch out for the snitch in there.. per Teresa… If he has nothing to hide, why does he have to watch what he says?
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actually she was passing a message on to him per Rooster which is his dad. Maybe they were telling him that not to be saying anything about the drug charges and had nothing to do with Haleigh.
rofl Lady!!!!!!!!!!
ITA with ya!!! When ron defended her from day one,well he and TN? Iknew right then,He was the mastermind! He didn’t want Misty questioned nor did TN! Why else would a father and a grandma defend the last one to see her?
Ron did not want her questioned and wouldn’t answer questions from anybody with a straight answer,it was always,I didn’t ask her,uhhh Thats not what she told me Mz Nancy! sheeeeeeesh
I don’t get why everyone thinks ron is so bad and dangerous..is it his strut that makes him bad to some or what? Hes never been arrested for say assualt, bodily harm, carrying or brandishing a weapon..nothing violent related.
He seems like a regular guy to me who partied, held a job, scuffled when necessary..I don’t get the “he bad” rep.
vaquera said,in July 7th, 2010 at 12:14 pm CathyJo63 said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 11:58 am
The one phone call with GS telling him to watch what he says in jail, watch out for the snitch in there.. per Teresa… If he has nothing to hide, why does he have to watch what he says?
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actually she was passing a message on to him per Rooster which is his dad. Maybe they were telling him that not to be saying anything about the drug charges and had nothing to do with Haleigh.
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Maybe they know something we weren’t supposed too…….jmo I don’t make excuses when its obvious somebodys covering for what happened to their own child! jmo
he was bad OJ,When he had a gun,LoL he don’t havem now does he?? jmo
I’d almost guarantee he terrified his women!
Thats the kind it takes,won’t fight a man but will girls! jmo
I’ve seen it plenty OJ!
Cathy, ITA We have all seen people who have years of marrige together act the total opposite of Ron and TN, they couldnt know Misty well enough in 4 months to trust what she was saying. No way did they protect her to get info either, and as far as gaining her trust, how much more could she give? She turned on her family, she came back from Tenn., she married him, she got a tattoo on her (his name) and dealt drugs with him. Misty in my opinion did everything he wanted and he never needed to get info from her, he already knew what happened that night. jmo
OJ,are you serious,lol
He threatened people with guns??
One guy at a stoplight?
Bingo Tobias,my point exactly!
Tobias,do you know if its true or not that investigators tried for 4 months or so to get r and m in for interviews but they hid from them?? I read it last night and it gave a source link,but the link was broken??
ITA too Tobias that if i had known my babysitter for 10 yrs and she lost my child,I’d choke something out of her! jmo
even le knew he “usually” had a weapon!
They said so!
IMO OJ,thats why,for the wbg’s and cj’s and them kind……he couldn’t fight a man,whats wrong with you???
OJ’s glove said,in July 7th, 2010 at 12:17 pm I don’t get why everyone thinks ron is so bad and dangerous..is it his strut that makes him bad to some or what? Hes never been arrested for say assualt, bodily harm, carrying or brandishing a weapon..nothing violent related.
He seems like a regular guy to me who partied, held a job, scuffled when necessary..I don’t get the “he bad” rep.
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OJ,it’s known as a “troublemaker”
CathyJo. Good point about the 4 mo. babysitter. Whats more is the fact it was only about 4 to 6 mos that Misty was around Ron. So why is it that certain Croslin family members who were not family of Haleigh rush out to get a tat? 4 months is not a long time to even bond with a child, let alone other outside family members bonding. I will give credit to Hank Sr. though, he tried time and again to get somethng out of his kids fo all it was worth.
It is also strange that CS father is trying to secure some movie deal, heck, he also didn’t bother when his daughter got involved with Ronald, but show that almighty dollar and he gets concerned. There are other family members out there that have more rights than he does. Makes no sense.
Actually Tobias,I think thats what happened from the get go,Nobody “including me” wanted to even question Ron was involved!
By the time we did and it became obvious…..too late! Too much evidence gone!
CathyJo63 said,in July 7th, 2010 at 12:31 pm even le knew he “usually” had a weapon!
They said so!
IMO OJ,thats why,for the wbg’s and cj’s and them kind……he couldn’t fight a man,whats wrong with you???
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nothing last time I checked..I had a concealed weapons permit for years when I lived in arizona, everyone had one. its legal to carry in your glovebox loaded without a permit too.. so haven’t a license doesn’t equal bad imvho
Me too Cathy, no one comes before ones own child not even a husband or wife. Husbands and wives cheat on each other all the time and the other is clueless. No way could a person trust someone they knew only 4 months, failed LDTs and was gone on a party weekend (after a break up) enough to marry them and tell the lies they all did for her like they did, unless they were protecting Ron. jmo
OJ’s glove said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
I don’t get why everyone thinks ron is so bad and dangerous..is it his strut that makes him bad to some or what? Hes never been arrested for say assualt, bodily harm, carrying or brandishing a weapon..nothing violent related.
He seems like a regular guy to me who partied, held a job, scuffled when necessary..I don’t get the “he bad” rep.
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Because people would rather believe the likes of Crystal who refused to visit her children more then 4 days a month, refused to financially support her children at all, refused to go to doctor appointments with her children, refused to participate in school activities with her children, is arrested for filing an untrue report that a coworker stole her car, BUT she says Ron hit her and it is gospel.
Ron has no charges of violence in his record other then getting into a fight back in 01 or 02, trying to break up a fight between Amber and Sarah, and a fight with TC who refused to get off their property late at night.
Lady,you’re exactly right,moneygrubbers!
I don’t blame Hank and Lisa period but for God’s sake why do we know more about them than the sheffs side? who btw had plenty motive!
Not once have they been slandered like lisa and hank! totally innocent people! jmo
Lady,Even GS was mad as hello at Misty,by her own admission,because she left Ron w/o a babysitter?? Well,my Lord.what was wrong with her and TN…???
They expect a young girl to always put up with ron and his BS!
OH but there they were at the wedding,all smiles saying Haleigh wanted her to be her mommy……..how cold is that? jmo
rc sold drugs and owned an assault rifle, thats enough for me to classify him alone….on top of that he was clearly controlling misty in interviews jmo
I don’t care much for cs myself,but truth is truth if it’s on a cow,lol
LOL! Ron being so bad. He probably is a blowhard, a threatening menace, but I remember seeing one of Rons mugshots with the knucklebumps on his head. I think Tommy did that. I didn’t see any knucklebumps on Tommys head, lol. Who’s the badazz? lol.
I agree. TN was stroking Mistys small ego, making sure she wouldnt rat them out, but she did in part, she told the world all of them Cummings take drugs. Wonder what other dark secrets she knows?
I’d have tore her head off if I had been Crystal too! lol
Say something that cold and a Mothers daughter is God knows where!
So,anyone capable of that,would do anything! jmvho
I like the hankster and lisa..I would have a beer with them or a 18 pac.
Lady,I remember the mugshot of a smirking jackass! jmo
His daughters gone and he does that! If he’s sane,I ain’t got nothing to worry about! LoL
I agree Mrsm,Heya!
OJ, Just make sure you hide your wallet first.
They arent what I would call dangerous but they have sticky fingers.lol jmo
I’d have cawfee withem OJ,I don’t sip but who needs too? this case makes my head feel funny every second of the day!
the blog is spinning! LoL
But then again OJ,You sure you ain’t just looking for an excuse to get drunk,ROFL!!! j/k
i really think the fight between rc and tc could have as easily been about drugs as about misty…..either misty called them and begged them to come get her cuz she was scared of ron at the moment for some reason or they went over there that late cuz they had been calling all day to get the drugs (?) or money (?) they were owed, they were being dodged so they went in person. Hank gets pills, he may have been selling them to ron and misty, or vice versa. just a theory …
right Mrsm,I’d say theres alot we don’t know yet,where we’ll put it when we do know I haven’t a clue?
Lady,IMO…..They didn’t want their babysitter flying the coup!
Shoot MrsM,Family will attack on a daily basis and the next day it’s like nothing ever happened,When i got married my mom n law had 7 boys still at home and 3 girls,lol but I have seen em’ fight to the death over a cracker,to gas in the lawnmower,rofl
i think alot of the reason we cant get a straight answer about anything is because everyONE and everyTHING is so wrapped up with illegal activity (drugs guns) that even the simplest things are hush hush or lied about. the fight between tc and rc is a perfect example.
I am talking knock down drag outs! lol
Exactly! Why GS who is the senior with more brains, or should have, allow them to reside in her home? She was an enabler. She and TN made sure they defended Ron, swore they would watch out and help him with the children and did they? Of course not. Their only purpose was to help him along in court and GS made sure the kids clothing was perfectly clean to keep the hound away from the door, meaning Childrens Services. Sure they did all that, but they failed to focus on the problem which was the drugs, guns, violence and underage sexual misconduct. Why GS got angry with Misty is beyond me. She should have been angry with Ronald and herslef. She could have said screw you and called it in herself, not only when this all happened, but in times before. I hope her letter gets thrown in the round file. Ronald is an adult, not a child anymore that can hide behind grandma’s apron strings.
I’m with you WhyLie. The record shows exactly what Ron has done in the past. I never believe gossip-it’s usually wrong, and just causes more suppositions and rumors.
I remember reading in that article that Ron was acting crazy( more than likely he was high) when the fight broke out. Why would he object to Misty visiting with family? Sounds like he wanted to keep her away from them totally ( no phone calls from Timmy so he was going to file charges for phone harrasment).
TYPICAL FOR ABUSIVE MALES TO SEPERATE WOMEN FROM EVERYONE. Misty claimed she was hit in the head in the fight I believe she had that before they even got there. jmo
right,ITA There Mrsm,Its hard to face the truth but when they keep making it so obvious,My Goodness! You have to finally recognize it! jmo
And I am a grandma,I know for a fact if my Grandson went missing,I would have never for one split second listened to a word a babysitter said when her story kept changing,only one reason for that!
The babysitter was scripted and couldn’t follow the plan! jmo
also typical for abusive males to play with guns and threaten suicide to control others….plenty of evidence to “convict” ron of being a “bad guy”
Ita Lady,and Tobias,I think ron hit her too,its not like Misty could say.Yes ron i called them?? jmo She’s terrified of him!
The 1st thing a controlling man does is seperate you from family,I know that for certain!
They want you to have nowhere to run,Only them!
however, that does NOT mean he would hurt his daughter. IMO he wouldnt have hurt haleigh directly though his lifestyle put her in danger he wouldnt recognize or acknowledge at the time. kinda like reckless endangerment jmho
mrsm said,in July 7th, 2010 at 1:00 pm also typical for abusive males to play with guns and threaten suicide to control others….plenty of evidence to “convict” ron of being a “bad guy”
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Could not have said it better Mrsm!
right Mrsm,Exactly,something horrific happened imo!
Sorry Mrsm,my last post was to your 1:05 post! lol
If Misty really did love the kids they would be a weapon for Ron to use to control her. Remember when she said they would send Haleigh to see her to get her to come back? To me that is controlling her with the child. jmo
Tobias,IIRC also,Ron did not want to make a statement either that day against them,until he knew they had on him!
IMO no doubt because he didn’t know what Misty had said,he wanted to remain silent!
ofcourse Tobias,IMVHO I think Misty cared more than any of em,and she knew what it was like to grow up that way! jmo
thats really what i think…home invasion over drugs/money/guns
misty there? not there?
or the home invasion gone wrong was tc and jo
and again, misty there? not there? not sure about her, either she was out partying or she lived through the horror…but she did not seem shell shocked to me…not like she would be over a traumatic home invasion and violence toward haleigh….i think that would have shook her more than she was….but i dont believe she slept through it. really think that cement block was there so she could get back in after being dropped off on the street behind the MH
Abusive men use your pets,so they’d sure use kids! Just anything you love or care about!
I also remember Crystal saying she would leave and then would go back because of the kids. She was being controlled then too. She also said she had little contact with her family.
Its a pattern with both of them. I wonder how Ambers life was? We have not heard anything from her. jmo
IMO,She was aleep but what about the neighbor saying they heard her outside on the phone at 3? Do you know if thats true Tobias?
other than that i cant see a reason for that cement block to be there except a planned abduction. Someone would prop the door if they knew they were going to be carrying something heavy or something that needed to be handled gingerly back through it! all above (last post too) jmvho
MG said herself
(though she dropped her off there)that she never saw Crytsal for 2 yrs!
Even Mistys video she told Hank that she believed every word cs and ab told her!
you can tell how scared she is,look at this mess? jmo
Tobias,I think how she is now says alot!
omo!
or rc ? mc ? tc ? thought to put it there as a prop jmo
What I meant was re: AB that she looks like she’s been beaten down in life i guess you’d say! jmo
I sure wish we could hear something new!
MRSM, I believe the door being propped was done afterwards so LE would look for a SexOffender and not at the ones who really did something to Haleigh. Remember they all thought LE was stupid and worthless at investigating. Hey they all even said they were not bothered by LE until Haleigh went missing. Ron even claimed on the 911 that he had more important people to talk with than LE.
The problem was the media got hold of the story and thats when Ron and Misty knew they were in deep trouble and it wasnt going to be blamed on a sex offender.( insert the Joe story) jmo
Cathyjo I have been out of town Is there anything new going on….?
hmm,Tobias,is cs related to AB?
Gainesville,Florida-
Mr. Hart has been kind enough to send me his reporters notes that he puts on his site. He also sends me other tidbits here and there, regarding the Haleigh Cummings case. Mr. Hart is working with Cobra Staubs the bounty hunter also searching for the truth in Haleigh’s disappearance. Investigators have spent countless hours and man power in the search for Haleigh. Haleigh is still missing. There has been many reports of shady activity in the lives of the adults revolving around her disappearance. There has been lots of slander and accusations revolving around this disappearance. Lots of words but no Haleigh.
So with all that said lets get dirty. Here are my updates from Mr.Hart, some are old news but the ones I received today are new.
Mr. Hart has talked to Lt.Greenwood concerning Greg Lewis Page aka White Boy Greg he asked the lieutenant some questions regarding Greg Page:
1) Hart: Has Page been polygraphed regarding the weekend with Misty and the disappearance of Haliegh?
Greenwood: We cannot divulge any information about results of any polygraphs or who has or has not taken one recently.
2) Hart: Did Page admit he was with Misty and used drugs with her?
Greenwood: We cannot comment, or rather, divulge any information on an ongoing investigation.
3) Hart: Was Page cleared via polygraph of any involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance?
Greenwood: We cannot divulge any information about results of any polygraphs or who has or has not taken one recently.
4) Hart: Is Page considered a suspect?
Greenwood: Everyone is a suspect—no one has been cleared.
5) Hart: Has Misty admitted to the weekend drug use during a polygraph as well?
Greenwood: Again…we cannot divulge any information about results of any polygraphs.
6) Hart: Has Misty’s account of that evening been cleared by LE?
Greenwood: No one has been cleared.
Now I know its not alot of answers to those questions besides shutting doors. What stood out for me was the answer to question number six. No one has been cleared. Makes you wonder. Mr. Hart was also in Satsuma to stop by and see Crystal Sheffield he reported this “Was in Satsuma yesterday following a meeting in Jacksonville, FL. Visited with Crystal Sheffield for about 15 mins. She’s NOT looking healthy… tired, run down, skin appeared to have yellowish tint.”
Mr.Hart also had some information regarding Ronald Cummings Haleigh’s father:
“Re: Haleigh Cumnings: chasing down info received at 11:48 pm by phone Sunday via Cobra referencing a possible BOLO for Ron Cummings.
Was tipped that a 911 call was made stating Ron Sr. sent Ron Jr. to the door of former girlfriend Amber in an attempt to lure the child he and Amber produced to come outside the door around 9:30 pm so Ron could take the child.
Also alleged a tall thin black male was waiting in shadows to snatch the youngster on behalf of Ron.
It’s been reported that he is now behind in his support for that child.”
I have not received any word on that BOLO or that situation regarding Ronald Cummings from Mr.Hart, I am still waiting for an update on that. The next update I receieved is:
“REPORTER’S NOTES 4/22/2009
I met with licensed Florida bondsman and surety agent William “Cobra” Staubs Tuesday and videotaped what I could of that encounter.
Our meeting took place in a clandestine location where we caught up with each other and compared notes on the investigation into the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.
Haleigh was taken in the middle of the night from her Satsuma, FL home on February 10, 2009, where she lived with her father, Ronald Cummings and his girlfriend-now-teen-bride Misty Croslin-Cummings.
Misty Cummings was the last person to see Haleigh before she was abducted. The investigation has since been focused on the inconsistent timelines given to police by Misty Cummings.
In this meeting, Staubs addresses the Monday April 20, 2009 arrests on of Amber Brooks and Kristina Rene “Nay-Nay” Prevatt.
Amber Brooks is the mother of Ronald Cummings disabled 20-month-old son from a previous relationship. Kristina Nay-Nay Prevatt is the woman who allegedly arranged a sex and drugs encounter for Misty Cummings the weekend before Haleigh vanished.
It was Staubs who posted the bond for Brooks and Prevatt. Staubs believes these women are key to this investigation.
At this time, we are questioning and questioning again all known relatives, associates and contacts of Ronald and Misty Cummings up to 30 days prior to Haleigh’s disappearance.
Police and othe invesitgators are doing the same.
We are examining the dynamics of each relationship involving Ronald and/or Misty in an effort to find the person or persons who took Haleigh and their motives for carrying out the abduction.
Our belief is that until a body is produced, Haleigh is still alive.
Our goal is to find her and return her home safely.
Staubs was out of the area for a short time to capture some fugitives in South Florida in order to keep his cash flow running.
Please by advised that William “Cobra” Staubs is also a certified microsscapist among other things.
Staubs sometimes presents a certain image for effect. In this video, Staubs presents that image and also colorfully reveals some of his tools-of-the-trade when he is tracking down wanted fugitives.”
Finally the update from today:
“REPORTER’S NOTES 4/24/2009
It has been a tough couple of days in the investigation of this story. 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings has been missing since February 10, 2009 and one would think the priority would be finding this child.
Far from it in some cases.
This is where I can empathize with police and other investigators.
So many people want to offer their help to the case. Most people really think they have some information that will help. Unfortunately, there is a certain 1% out there who only see the disappearnce of this precious child as a “TV show.” This element is hurting the entire investigation on all ends by trying to alter the “dialogue and plot changes” of their ’soap opera’ only satisfy their own selfish, twisted interests.
Tommy knew Misty was out cold. He probably had been lurking around. He molested the child and then killed her away from the trailer. The murder scene is out in the woods in Putnam county. There is a lot of timberland and water in Putnam county. Tommy knew how to get in and out of the house. Tommy placed himself at the scene. This was not Tommy’s first stroll around the neighborhood after dark.
Ron can’t control her anymore.
They will both be seperated by FDOC for 25 years or more.
On monday the 19th, that process will formally start.
Rons not a bad guy.
Hank and lisa are innocent bystanders.
Clinton never lied about lewinsky.
We found wmd’s in iraq.
Rain falls up.
Al queda is a boys choir.
The moon landings never happened.
Oh yeah, and elvis works at best buy, in the cell phone section.
All these girls in Ronalds life were very co dependant, because of drugs and because of lack of self esteem. What is so odd is that TN or GS never once advised Ronald hey 15 will get you 20, turns blind eye, moves on, no real family attachment until something happens.
Sort of off topic, but to kill a little time, who is taking care of Ambers baby with Ronald? Is it her mother or is it her grandmother? Just saying if its the mom, wasn’t she the one who went to town on Misty? Great family units.
I think Misty was not there at the MH that night. I think someone knew this too, one who was around her that night and probably made a phone call. I bet this was planned over the weekend, people talk, people forward information and people find opportunity.
I’d have to recheck, but I read not too long ago that one of the family units is related to Prevatt, I think it is the Griffs, but dont quote me.
All these girls in Ronalds life were very co dependant, because of drugs and because of lack of self esteem. What is so odd is that TN or GS never once advised Ronald hey 15 will get you 20, turns blind eye, moves on, no real family attachment until something happens.
Sort of off topic, but to kill a little time, who is taking care of Ambers baby with Ronald? Is it her mother or is it her grandmother? Just saying if its the mom, wasn’t she the one who went to town on Misty? Great family units.
I think Misty was not there at the MH that night. I think someone knew this too, one who was around her that night and probably made a phone call. I bet this was planned over the weekend, people talk, people forward information and people find opportunity.
All these girls in Ronalds life were very co dependant, because of drugs and because of lack of self esteem. What is so odd is that TN or GS never once advised Ronald hey 15 will get you 20, turns blind eye, moves on, no real family attachment until something happens.
Sort of off topic, but to kill a little time, who is taking care of Ambers baby with Ronald? Is it her mother or is it her grandmother? Just saying if its the mom, wasn’t she the one who went to town on Misty? Great family units.
I think Misty was not there at the MH that night. I think someone knew this too, one who was around her that night and probably made a phone call. I bet this was planned over the weekend, people talk, people forward information and people find opportunity.
coop said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Tommy knew Misty was out cold. He probably had been lurking around. He molested the child and then killed her away from the trailer. The murder scene is out in the woods in Putnam county. There is a lot of timberland and water in Putnam county. Tommy knew how to get in and out of the house. Tommy placed himself at the scene. This was not Tommy’s first stroll around the neighborhood after dark.
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That is my feeling if Tommy didn’t hand her off to someone else is that he was molesting Haleigh and had been and maybe Haleigh decided she was going to tell her daddy. You’re right, he was said to have roamed the neighborhood at night and hell he could have made a spare key off of Misty’s key at any time too.
Okay, been on vacation and I’m WAAAAYYYYY behind. So let me get this straight, there is now an accusation that Ron isn’t Haleigh’s biological daughter? Where are the facts to support that claim?
Okay, I know as long as a man agrees to say the child is his, his name will go on the birth certificate, no questions asked. BUT, I would think by now LE would know if that were the case and Ron was truly not Haleigh’s father. I know they have DNA. So what could possibly be the motive for all of this? Is this case not twisted enough already? Someone needs to have some proof before making a claim like this because that is a very serious claim.
Just the facts please!
Amber’s grandma is taking care of Jordan, her momma left town with an outstanding warrant out for her.It had to be April or May when she left because Kim was still Crystal’s lawyer and she is the one that told us that she left for Wise,Va.
Oh Sorry Coop,Surfing for info!
Not really anything new!
I tell you I just don’t know if that cinder block has anything to with this case. I wonder
if they have determined how long the rope had been out in the elements. I bet they tied it opened the day they moved in and never went back out it. They don’t look like the type that pick up after themselves. I don’t think the crime happened at the trailer. They would have determined it a crime scene longer I would think!!!! I think the door sweep is in on the inside door and out on the storm door.
I have two mobile home rentals and for some reason the first thing a tenant does is let the wind tear the shock off the storm door then they prop it open with a cinder block.
JB,Don’t ask me because Ron was her father in every way that counted! JMO
biological father, not daughter….LOL
and for someone to make a clam now is highly suspicious to me! LoL
iirc Misty said that brick was Tommy MO. She must have known how Tommy did his BE.
I just don’t know what to think of Cobra asking a question like that. I thought he was a smoother guy than that. As far as Haleigh Cummings was concerned Ron was her dad. I hope this hasn’t ruined his career as a PI. He really has tried to look at every strange avenue that other didn’t have the courage to.
They appear to just pick festers that don’t apply.
vaquera said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Don’t forget the GARDEN, Vaq.
Just cuz most people couldn’t read her posts there, they exist, as do screenshots of all her posts. Perhaps someday those may come back to bite her given all the personal info she posted @ certain people.
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mrsm said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
rc sold drugs and owned an assault rifle, thats enough for me to classify him alone….on top of that he was clearly controlling misty in interviews jmo
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An assault rifle? Assault rifles are illegal. Ron has never been arrested nor convicted for owning an assault rifle. Do you have any proof that he owned one? We’ve heard allegations that is what JO went there to steal the night HaLeigh disappeared, but that is only rumors at this point. Do you have any type of link Ron owns one? TIA.
Cricket,as so did Ron,LoL
IMO Ron knew too and he called Tommy to place him there! Thats why Ron placed the brick there too,jmoo
((((Hey JB)))) good to see you!
I haven’t been on another sites in weeks. Do the locals still show interest in this case or
have they accepted it as an unsolved abduction?
I goofed that up royally! LoL
OMG! My last post is running amok! WTH?
Look at Ambers photo from 2 years or so ago and look at her mugshot. Drugs and wanton lifestyle. She aged quite a bit in a short timespan. WTH goes on down there that LE cannot control? Or dont they want to control it? Send in DEA and ATF and shut it all down.
CathyJo – I don’t get it! That is a pretty serious accusation and one that I would think would require some back-up! I’m trying to figure out why Crystal would keep that secret. Did Ron supposedly not know the truth?
Until someone can do some “splaining”…..I’m not buying it. If Cobra knows something to be FACT then state it as fact with ALL the facts. I support Cobra, I truly do. But there always seems to be some big conspiracy going on. I remember reading a LONG time ago about used cooking oil and KP. Something about big money, follow the money, or something like that. Cobra even posted some cryptic comments about it. I wasn’t posting at the time but I came awfully close to doing it at that time because I couldn’t make heads or tails of what they were trying to tell us. This feels a little bit like Deja Vu all over again!
Does ANYONE know for a fact that Ron is NOT Haleigh’s biological father? If so, please provide the proof. And explain what that fact has to do with her going missing because right now I’m putting 2 and 2 together and getting 4,320,593,192,347,021,384…..I think my calculator just exploded! LOL
Agreed LadyDay!
WhyLie said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Because people would rather believe the likes of Crystal who refused to visit her children more then 4 days a month, refused to financially support her children at all, refused to go to doctor appointments with her children, refused to participate in school activities with her children, is arrested for filing an untrue report that a coworker stole her car, BUT she says Ron hit her and it is gospel.
Ron has no charges of violence in his record other then getting into a fight back in 01 or 02, trying to break up a fight between Amber and Sarah, and a fight with TC who refused to get off their property late at night.
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Amazing, isn’t it? Funny how everything Misty now says is also taken as gospel.
No one controlled any of these women. Crystal left on 05 to shack up with Michael Word, I never heard of Ron going ballistic and giving her a beat down to come back to him..same with Amber. The weekend Misty went missing when Ron went to Nay Nay’s mom’s house to deposit her clothes I don’t think he dragged her out of the house kicking and screaming to come home, she did that on her own too..When Misty left in Oct to go stay with Donna I didn’t see Ron going ballistic either, in fact he gave her a kiss and off she went. Doesn’t sound very controlling to me..
Hey B*A! How are you my dear? Hugs right back at cha’!
Will cobra answr questions on the radio show about the ron ‘not being the dad’ issue?
I know he reads this blog.
Any answers Mr Bill?
Yes JB,Very serious! Agree totally so thats one i ain’t gonna touch personally,lol
I understood you Cathy. You mean Ron and Misty placed the brick there to make it look like someone took Haleigh out that door. Tommy was called to place him at the MH at 10 by Ron.
I remember Tommy being there so Misty wasnt alone when the AC guy came so in my opinion maybe Tommy was told to be there when someone else was supposed to stop by and Ron called him to be there. I still think it was a drug buy gone bad. jmo
JB @ 2:03 -
I don’t remember the cooking oil thing but I have a rotten memory and also may have just missed it but even so I agree with what you said. “Show me the DNA!”
CathyJo63 said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
even le knew he “usually” had a weapon!
They said so!
IMO OJ,thats why,for the wbg’s and cj’s and them kind……he couldn’t fight a man,whats wrong with you???
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Of course they did, he had his CHL which you have to do a FBI background check on which is usually done through the local LE agency.
vaquera said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
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It is amazing. None of them accused Ron of domestic violence except Crystal, and of course she doesn’t lie. (eyes rolling big time)
Nobody controlled Misty. She went where she wanted and did what she wanted for many years before Ron came into the picture and continued that pattern up until she landed behind bars.
for my own reasons JB,Not that I don’t want to discuss it with you,LoL
I just think,if its true,where the hello have they been Haleighs whole life and why if the sheffs wanted custody why they never used that ammo!
To be honest theres no one,NO ONE i believe 100% in the entire thing,i just use my own mind and opinions and seperate what could be and what likely isn’t! jmo
WhyLie @ 12:37 and Vaquera @ 2:04 –
I agree.
It’s like KP was an angel right up until she submitted her formal document in response to the Bar complaint. Only THEN she was lying, right? (not)
IMO.
Right Tobias,I know yours is a little different than my opinion but basically,we agree on the parts that count,lol
Ron is very abusive but thats my opinion,I formed it from what I have seen,as we do in every aspect of the case because no one has been truthful Period! IMO
I think Cobra was looking at all avenues to determine who would snatch Haleigh. Always look at the past as well as the present. Heck, one time I read, forgive me as the names get confusing, but I think it was Jeremiah that also used to date CS many years ago, in high school. Wasn’t he the one who came back into town from NY or somewhere in that area?
Thanks Vaquera! They haven’t picked her up yet in VA. or wherever she might be? Thats very strange!
I wonder who owned the rifle prior? Talk was going around about that bailbonds person, it seems he bailed Ronald out a few times IIRC. I wouldn’t be too surprised that in order for Ronald to get out of his messes that he didn’t have a deal going with that bailbonds guy. Not a snitch for LE so much as maybe a ‘go between’ for that guy.
tobias said,in July 7th, 2010 at 2:06 pm I understood you Cathy. You mean Ron and Misty placed the brick there to make it look like someone took Haleigh out that door. Tommy was called to place him at the MH at 10 by Ron.
I remember Tommy being there so Misty wasnt alone when the AC guy came so in my opinion maybe Tommy was told to be there when someone else was supposed to stop by and Ron called him to be there. I still think it was a drug buy gone bad. jmo
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It very well could have been a drug deal but you know my theory which could glide right in there with yours somewhere! LoL
LadyDay,Only got to your first sentence and ITA!
He looked where everybody else was scared to,for that alone he gets my praise!
Now,I’ll read the rest,LoL
cj @ 2:15 now its my turn to say i couldnt have said it better
M2C – LOL – I just remember something about follow the money and the money being in used cooking oil…something about KP’s husband…there were several articles….I never could make heads or tails of any of it. It was like some big conspiracy theory about why Haleigh was taken but to me it looked like trying to put a 50 piece jigsaw puzzle together with one piece from 50 different puzzles. Never made a bit of sense to me and never really heard more about it.
I do think Cobra really tried to find Haleigh. I believe he has a good heart. But if a comment like that is going to be made, it needs to be backed up with fact. JMO
LoL Thank you Mary,so I got an “A”
Its about time,LoL
CathyJo – I too believe Ron is abusive. Look at the way his mom and Gmom tiptoe around him. Everyone walks on eggshells with Ron. He’s short tempered and I don’t think he’d think twice about striking a woman. They seem more like property to him than partners in a relationship. But that’s JMO.
You guys rubbed off on me Mrsm! LoL
ITA JB,you won’t get an argument out of me on that one!
He’s a walking timebomb! JMO
jaba said,in July 7th, 2010 at 2:05 pm “Will cobra answr questions on the radio show about the ron ‘not being the dad’ issue?”
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How can he? He doesn’t know. He hasn’t seen a DNA report and I seriously doubt that some man is going to ‘fess all to him or anyone. Or is CS going to ‘fess up about that? I would not bet even the vegetable patch on that. That’s the problem with brining up issues like this. And it’s especially egregious when we have no way of knowing or finding out. That’s why I really abhor such talk – all they’ll ever be are hurtful, monstrous rumors.
What if Haleigh’s out there and hears (or one day reads) about this? That R may not be her daddy.
There better be a d good reason for even mentioning it publicly without proof. IMO.
Everybody seemed scared of him JB,Even OJ…Right oj? lol
OJ,Shakes just to type his name,lol
AS doesn’t strike me as the type to tiptoe around anybody. She had no problem ordering Ron back into the house the night of the fight and pushing the Croslins back into their vehicle and ordering them off her property. She certainly hasn’t tiptoed around PCSO with some of her statements to the media, either.
m2c said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
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I totally agree!
I just happen to see it different,not debating it,jmo lol
CathyJo – I don’t know if Ron has the “stones” to truly follow through on his threats….he always seemed to make plenty of them. But I wouldn’t doubt for a minute that he was abusive in relationships. He’s a very angry individual and almost anti-social on some levels. He’s very full of himself, egotistical and a MAJOR control freak. I just don’t know how much is for show and how much he can truly back up this threats. When he VERBALLY said he’d blow Misty’s teeth through the back of her head about Haleigh and then simply says he’s “disappointed” in her when she claims his child was thrown to alligators….you have to wonder! Maybe instead of speaking softly and carrying a big stick, Ron speaks in a loud voice and carries a toothpick. All blow, no go! LOL
JB,Thats why he had a gun obsession,Ofcourse he could beat up little girls,pull their pigtails and all! But when it came down to man to man,OMG Wheres my gun? jmvho honest it is!
And he fits the type to a tee!
So to be honest thats why i worried about gp!
He ain’t got a gun there? jmo
Seems like simon puts stock in it.
And we do have a weekly radio show that cobra contributes to.
I still ask, simon or jan or bill, who all read these comments, WILL cobra answer questions about this? If not, why not?
I’ll await the answer and check the show sunday for answers. I’m sure he has a good reason to bring it up now that he can talk about, no?
somebody will tear his arse up!
I hope not,i really do,I don’t think anyone deserves to be picked on or hurt and he is innocent until he’s proven guilty!
If he’s proven guilty,Go for it! jmvho
JB,Funny you say that,I have a bro n law,same way as ron!!! Thinks he’s above anything anywhere anyone anytime!
And yes he abuses his women,In fact all 4 wives!
who are ex wives now b/c of it! but believe me,barely escaped!
Or JB,maybe he was born in March…..just windy! LoL
It’s funny (NOT) but how they convince the other woman it did not happen,till they see it themselves!
About 4 yrs ago somebody said they had a friend I might like to meet (yea right) and told me his name,I said oh yea ain’t that the one who beat his g/f up so bad they had to land lifestar at the bar to transport her,o yea He’s my kinda guy!
I used to think the back door was left open because of the laundry delivery, but since they only lived there a couple of months, it could have been tied open to get the appliances in, then I thought again, I too used to own MH’s to rent out. Appliances have to go through the front door as the width on those back doors aren’t usually wide enough. I think they tied it maybe because they moved in on a rainy day and left it? Nobody ever thought to use the slidebar at the top to keep it opened? LOL, dumb is as dumb does.
These girls and parents must have been scared of him or just never had a clear thought about it or were worried about their supplier. They talk about this underage business, but what about when it all first happened? How come there isn’t any report of that at any Agency?
I know we all line up for those! LoL
Their supplier would win every single time Lady! jmo
JB,if a man is even near me and bursts his shin bone on the coffeetable and gets mad,I’ll finish him off……shove his arse right on out the door! LoL Thats just how i see it anymore!
Why I don’t date too,rofl
Ain’t none i ever met yet that knows how to act,LoL
I can do bad all by myself! LoL
I can eat all by myself too,but i have to make it,I am starving,bbs
ttyl tho? lol
JB, I really wonder if those are even his words since Shoemeaker made the statement not RON. I believe Shoemaker has twisted alot of words to put his client in a good light. He was the one who said LE said Ron and Crystal should plan a funeral. And he wasnt even in the room when anything was said to them about it.Its all in the article, Shoemaker made the claims that his client was dissappionted in her for not telling if it was true Joe was involved. I think he was disappointed that she is lying so stupidly and hasnt followed the plan. To just not say anything. jmo
Wouldn’t it be something if after all the said jailbirds go flying away to serve out their long sentences, that a miracle occured and Haleigh is miraciously found and found by a distant family member? I do not know why that just came to mind, but it did.
Just wish she would be found. Come on Cobra, go underground, please.
Thats right, CathyJo. Young gals, no self esteem, hooked on stuff, hooked on what they preceive to be love, the need for the drug wins every time.
Chatter on…………..Later
CathyJo63 said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
JB,Thats why he had a gun obsession,Ofcourse he could beat up little girls,pull their pigtails and all! But when it came down to man to man,OMG Wheres my gun? jmvho honest it is!
And he fits the type to a tee!
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Where do you get he had an gun obsession? He owned a Beretta which was his CHL gun and a semi automatic folding stock deer rifle. I guess I have one too since I own 2 shotguns, a revolver, a .44 caliber semi automatic handgun, a semi automatic rifle which is a 30-30. Did Ron pull a gun out and shoot Tommy or even threaten him? No, though he had every right to do so.
LadyDay, Cobra has stated he believes Haleigh is dead. He also in my opinion has paid too high a price just for trying to find out what happened to her. He is smart enough now to stay away from the investigation. jmo
WhyLie said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
AS doesn’t strike me as the type to tiptoe around anybody. She had no problem ordering Ron back into the house the night of the fight and pushing the Croslins back into their vehicle and ordering them off her property. She certainly hasn’t tiptoed around PCSO with some of her statements to the media, either.
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LOL you aren’t kidding.
I think GGM is one tough cookie and is no pushover. I think she is the matriarch of that family and she backs down to no one. And she certainly does NOT tiptoe around anyone, and certainly NOT her grandson! LOL
jaba said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Seems like simon puts stock in it.
And we do have a weekly radio show that cobra contributes to.
I still ask, simon or jan or bill, who all read these comments, WILL cobra answer questions about this? If not, why not?
I’ll await the answer and check the show sunday for answers. I’m sure he has a good reason to bring it up now that he can talk about, no?
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this isn’t the first time he has brought up Robbie being Haleigh’s daddy. I am surprised Kim didn’t set him straight last time he did it.
He had no right under castle law the person has to be in the premises and you have to show your life was in imenent danger. Since Tommy was outside with no weapon Ron could not just shoot him. jmo
Vaq, I dont see any names just that he ruffled feathers when he asked the question who is Haleighs real daddy. We cant assume its anyone since we dont see who is being asked the question. jmo
Yeah, that’s the reason.
Seems Ron reminds lots of people of someone, and thus, he seems to be judged by people.
This is just an observation I have made after reading the forums over the course of the last 17 months. I think it is safe to say that no one here actually KNOWS Ronald Cummings in real life. YET, people here think it is fair to say that he is abusive, because he is “just like” so-and-so that they “DO” know in real life. IMO, that is judging a book by a cover. And one thing I have learned not to do in life is EVER judge a book by a cover. Because more often than not, people are wrong when they do that.
It’s one thing to judge a person by things they actually know firsthand or SEE with his or her own eyes. But to judge someone according to people you know in your own life… that just isn’t fair. JMO and all that based upon observations on many forums on which I’ve read, and not just here.
Not me, I base my opinion of Ron on his words and actions. Observation of people through their actions and reactions is very telling.
Usually if it walks like a duck its a duck.
Sorry for the pun but I couldnt help myself. jmo
IIRC, a couple of months (or more?) ago, Cobra was on the radio show, w/ Jan and Simon, and Cobra said something about Ron having NG on speed dial and that Ron said (of Cobra), “He’s on to us.” Cobra said he had all of that recorded, I think. Am I remembering correctly? If so, what has become of that recording? Anyone know? I’d be interested to hear that.
I also think he was very careful in his control of Misty before Haleigh went missing because Hank was still well enough to beat the daylights out of him. jmo bbl
J…Well, from watching him in interviews, hearing him on the Cobra tapes, seeing his interactions with others, statements he has made, I’ve come to the conclusion that Ron is self-absorbed, has an ego the size of Texas, thought he was above the law, believes he in “entitled”, has a temper and doesn’t mask or control his temper very well, has a drug problem, is a bit of a control freak when it comes to his kids and women, likes younger “women”, and can talk about his child being eaten by alligators and brag about his knowledge of alligators and how he’s smarter than men twice his age all in one sentence so add cold and callous to the aforementioned description as well. Of course, this is JMO.
tobias said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
He had no right under castle law the person has to be in the premises and you have to show your life was in imenent danger. Since Tommy was outside with no weapon Ron could not just shoot him. jmo
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you need to read up on castle doctrine no retreat laws.
He had every right to shoot Tommy.
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The Florida “Castle Doctrine” law basically does three things:
One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.
Two: It removes the “duty to retreat” if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]
Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.
It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.
http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm
They have the same law in LA/TX and it doesn’t mean someone has to have a gun or anything else, when you are attacked you can use deadly force..Number 2 explains it all.
If someone comes on my property and starts to beat me up I damn sure would shoot them and I have every right too.
J said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
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Amen to that!
Little Bear said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
IIRC, a couple of months (or more?) ago, Cobra was on the radio show, w/ Jan and Simon, and Cobra said something about Ron having NG on speed dial and that Ron said (of Cobra), “He’s on to us.” Cobra said he had all of that recorded, I think. Am I remembering correctly? If so, what has become of that recording? Anyone know? I’d be interested to hear that.
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I doubt we hear anymore after Art said Cobra illegally taped Ron since he didn’t have his permission to do.
J said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Seems Ron reminds lots of people of someone, and thus, he seems to be judged by people.
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I can honestly say I know no one like Ron. I judge him by his actions that have been brought to public light. I listened to the released 911 call, I judge him as fake on that. I judge him by the fact that he has 3 children by women that he never bothered to marry. I judge him by the fact that as a 25/26 year old “man” (if you want to actually demean all men and call him that) he was shacking up with a 16 year old girl. I judge him by the fact that he entrusted the lives of his children to this 16 year old girl that he knew was a druggy, and by the fact that he did not care enough about his own children and was a druggy himself. I judge him by the fact that even after his daughter was “stoled”, he didn’t put much personal effort into finding her. I judge him by the fact that after his daughter was “stoled” he married the 16 year old druggy that he entrusted his daughters care to and was the one who was supposed to be protecting his daughter when she got “stoled”. I judge him by the fact that he cared so little about his son that he trafficked drugs thus putting his son in danger.
JMO and all based on only the actions of Ron that have come into public light so far.
J said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Seems Ron reminds lots of people of someone, and thus, he seems to be judged by people.
This is just an observation I have made after reading the forums over the course of the last 17 months. I think it is safe to say that no one here actually KNOWS Ronald Cummings in real life. YET, people here think it is fair to say that he is abusive, because he is “just like” so-and-so that they “DO” know in real life. IMO, that is judging a book by a cover. And one thing I have learned not to do in life is EVER judge a book by a cover. Because more often than not, people are wrong when they do that.
It’s one thing to judge a person by things they actually know firsthand or SEE with his or her own eyes. But to judge someone according to people you know in your own life… that just isn’t fair. JMO and all that based upon observations on many forums on which I’ve read, and not just here.
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Amen, J.
He77 I think he controls his temper pretty darn good. If I had come home to what Ron came home to that morning, Misty would have been toast by the time LE got there.
If Geraldo had gotten in my face with accusations that I had abused my child while my child was missing, he would not have had to worry about another broken nose, I would have busted his teeth out of his mouth. And you can take that to the bank.
So I think Ron has shown a huge amount of control, he gets angry of course, his daughter is missing and her mother brought the circus to town, he should be angry, but other then TC, who would not leave his property, he has hit no one, and hasn’t shot anybody, either.
JB, TA
tobias said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Vaq, I dont see any names just that he ruffled feathers when he asked the question who is Haleighs real daddy. We cant assume its anyone since we dont see who is being asked the question. jmo
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He didn’t have to mention any names this time, he’s named Robbie as Haleigh’s daddy more than once before this..that’s the political connection..Chris Middleton.
LadySadie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
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Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit, NO truer words have ever been spoken. Well said LadySadie! ITA!
tobias said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:29 pm Not me, I base my opinion of Ron on his words and actions. Observation of people through their actions and reactions is very telling.
Usually if it walks like a duck its a duck.
Sorry for the pun but I couldnt help myself. jmo
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Exactly Tobias,we have seen it from him,what he’s shown us,I don’t have to compare him to anyone,he’s in a league all his own!
But still its my opinions,non debatable! My opinion,just like everyone elses!
Vaquera, thanks. I didn’t think about that.
The pun can go on and on,I aint biting!
These are my opinions and i cannot help if someone loses their ethics to prove another blogger wrong,fine by me! It ain’t the first time,and it won’t be the last! Thats my opinion too!
And when someone is upset with you and you apologize but because they hold hardeness in their heart they seem to think more was done to them! So,I am not debating,I am not going to argue no matter how many baits ya throw!
Chris Middleton is just a officer for Putnam county or is he connected to someone else? Even if he is it wouldnt mean anything since he isnt blood. jmo
Now,lets get on with it!
No one is baiting you CathyJo. If you don’t want your opinions debated then don’t post them. That’s the whole purpose of debate, is it not and messageboards/blogs?
Tobias, he is an investigator for the SA’s office, or was last I heard.
Chris Middleton works for the state’s attorney office.
Still doesnt put him in the political arena. I think the feathers that were ruffled are way higher than an investigator. jmo
J said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:16 pm WhyLie said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
AS doesn’t strike me as the type to tiptoe around anybody. She had no problem ordering Ron back into the house the night of the fight and pushing the Croslins back into their vehicle and ordering them off her property. She certainly hasn’t tiptoed around PCSO with some of her statements to the media, either.
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So you know AS by the tv and made your judgement,I rest my case,And I am not arguing,just making my point…got nothing against you? period!
CathyJo – won’t catch me throwing bait unless it is on the end of a fishing line and I’m at the lake!
EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions. Ron has made Ron look bad in the public’s eye. Dealing in drugs, acting like a thug, dating under aged girls, endangering his children with his activities, etc.
Crystal hasn’t done herself any favors either! Not paying child support, not putting forth ANY effort to take care of her children then having yet another child, her drug use, driving when told not to and getting into an accident, etc.
Let’s face it, I doubt if any of us would allow either of these people to babysit our goldfish, much less allow them to watch our children!
I know Ron spoke of him with Cobra Tobias,and a middleton ron apparently knew their ss#’s,LoL
Don’t ask me!
He was talking about Chris Middleton.
LadySadie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:37 pm J said,
My Goodness LadySadie I agree!
I don’t remember Ron talking to Cobra about Robbie or Chris OR knowing their SS#’s.
You got that right JB!
I’m with ya!!!! lol
Only God can judge ron. Just ask him.
I know a judge in florida that will prove him wrong.
Hey why would Chris even care? Carter had Billy
Clinton had Lewinsky,etc. why would this cause such a problem? Unless there was other dirty laundry someone else didnt want revealed. Someone other than Middleton. jmo
tobias, I think you just hit the nail on the head. The question asked was not what was important, although some obviously seem to think it is. What was important, IMO, is where that question would have led.
jaba said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
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ROLFMAO – Reality, meet Ron Cummings. Ron Cummings, meet Reality. LOL Yup, about time for Ronnie to pull up his big boy boxers and take what is inevitably coming his way.
Who knows what the deal with Chris is but his name has been brought up alot over the last 17 months. Maybe Chris has it out for Ron since him and Robbie had it out years ago
You are correct,he spoke of CM,But i think it was the Orlando guys ss#’s….I got confused with names but he knew the guys ss#’s not Chris’ tho! sorry!
ron: well were gonna be um, everybody is gonna subpoenaed to court
including john merchant who is the lead detective in this…
cobra: yeah, what did he do?
ron: he has no… he is the lead detective in this case.
cobra: which one got caught with some pot and coke in his car and got
pulled of the case and put on desk job, is that merchant?
ron: no
cobra: no, who was that, do you know who that was?
ron: i think that might have been chris middleton, i dont` know
cobra: see, i dont know any of these motherf****. I called 87 times to
talk to the muthaf***** po-lice, you know how many times they talk to me?
ron: none?
cobra: zun! zun! none!!!!
ron: i can call and get merchant on the phone for you right now.
cobra: but i don`t know him, man… cuz all of a sudden they have merchant`s
name mixed up with you, if you all was boys… that wont do me no good… if
i`m tryin to find a child and somebody out here playin… ya know?
what you thinking man?
I understand that, Tobias. Can’t do much when a person went through what he went through. He got burned big time and nobody came to his defense. Sometimes it is best to just leave it alone. Just strange not one person in the mix had the rocky mt. oysters or golden ovaries to say something that made complete sense. Brick walls.
I think the only person Ronald is close to is his grandmother. Dont mess with that woman. She is his protector. She sees the good in him, she doesn’t see the bad, or just doesn’t want to see or accept the bad, but now here it is, laid at her feet. She can’t accept it, doesn’t want to, but deep in her heart she knows. A very sad situation all the way around.
I’d have paid to see a bunch of whoop azz given by one Pappa Hank, then it’d be beer bust time. He and his wife might be a lot of things, but I actually have more sympathy for them than the rest. Least they didn’t go running off half cocked like some of them, with lips a’flappin in the breeze.
BTW, I think all of you are pretty darn good with your observations and thoughts. I’d hire you
Thanks CJ, you saved me from having to listen to the audio again.
vaquera said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:37 pm Little Bear said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
IIRC, a couple of months (or more?) ago, Cobra was on the radio show, w/ Jan and Simon, and Cobra said something about Ron having NG on speed dial and that Ron said (of Cobra), “He’s on to us.” Cobra said he had all of that recorded, I think. Am I remembering correctly? If so, what has become of that recording? Anyone know? I’d be interested to hear that.
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I doubt we hear anymore after Art said Cobra illegally taped Ron since he didn’t have his permission to do.
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Little Bear,You never heard it,really.I got it if you want to!
Whylie, If its about who is her father maybe its not really a Middleton at all. I see this as a question but I also see Cobra looking at other questions like who was the Judge who gave a capital sex offender a bond and why hasnt he been tried 31/2 years after the incident? Snodgrass is still getting cont. after cont. he was to be in court on the 1st of July now its changed to the 27th of July. Look at his docket its a mile long with cont.
What are they waiting for? Are they waiting for everyone who was involved in the case to forget what happened to that little girl? It irks me to no end. jmo
LadyDay,She’s being a Grandma! LoL Nothing wrong with that unless you’re SINdy!
You are welcome,WhyLie!
JB said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:42 pm LadySadie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
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Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit, NO truer words have ever been spoken. Well said LadySadie! ITA!
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Don’t do that,I’ll fry me up some sausage to put on ya too! lol
Speaking of court dates, when does everyone go to court? Aren’t there some court dates coming up this week or next? I REALLY need to write these dates down! LOL
I just got to ask… are peeps really believing that this Middleton crap is seriously the cause of Cobra’s troubles?
My big question is what does Snodgrass know? He seems to have something since he is getting special treatment, really first he got a bond when he should have, hes been out since 2007, he is allowed to leave the county. Are they waiting for him to hurt someone elses child? If he does they are really gonna be in the media and its not gonna be pretty. jmo
LadyDay said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:12 pm Thats right, CathyJo. Young gals, no self esteem, hooked on stuff, hooked on what they preceive to be love, the need for the drug wins every time.
Chatter on…………..Later
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Yes Mam!! I agree!
Not me BA I am more concerned about Snodgrass.jmo
I don’t get that either Tobias!
I think each persons responsible for they own trubbles Adams,LoL
J–I totally agree with your 3:22 comment and WhyLie -I agree with your 3:39 post.
Rons is the 19th!
Paranoia strikes again. Anyone suprsied by that?
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Ron didn’t let anyone too close.
LadyDay….ITA with ya,Hank and Lisa did nothing to cause Haleigh to be missing yet their lives were turned upside down and all around! Sad!!
If I believed in the SO theory that would be my man Snodgrass. Someone needed to get this guy in prison long ago. People down there need to ask why isnt he in jail and why does he get cont. after cont. for 3 1/2 years. omg he may die of old age before he gets in front of a judge.arrrrgggg.jmo
I’m sure TJ is delighted to have that version of reporter’s notes reprinted since he was so embarrassed at falling for a false rumor.
Lori,I got it from A BNN article!
tobias, I think there is a lot more to the Snod case then any of us know.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
I just got to ask… are peeps really believing that this Middleton crap is seriously the cause of Cobra’s troubles?
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Oh HECK NO!
I believe Cobra’s legal troubles all stemmed from one blonde frienemy/attorney with which he is acquainted.
Yes Tobias,But I guess a pill is worth more than a child,has been so far! why change now?
Lori said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
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Guess we shouldn’t talk about Twitter then.
didn’t take long to make a pill bust,to heck with children & victims! jmo
CJ, pretty amazing that a middleman drug dealer can’t get a continuance but an accused child molester can get continuance, after continuance, after continuance, and on and on and on.
WhyLie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 3:39 pm He77 I think he controls his temper pretty darn good. If I had come home to what Ron came home to that morning, Misty would have been toast by the time LE got there.
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You and me,Thats why imo he knew!
Exactly it is Whylie,you’re dead on! Why it tix me off!
Nobody put him where he belonged but oman,we can set up a guy and a babysitter for some pills,heck yea! jmo
CJ, and that’s why I say he doesn’t know, because if he knew that Misty and/or TC and/or JO, and/or anybody else, had done this, they would be pushing up daises.
I’d be proud of that myself!
Right WhyLie,I gotcha,honest I do,we just don’t agree on the reason why! lol
WhyLie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
until he dies in his own little perverted world WhyLie!
I wonder how Hope is doing in Prison!
But honest whylie,thats why I take it to heart,When do the children whose lives have been destroyed by DS and others like him get what they deserve?
They don’t if they have connections and or money! jmo
Sad too Adams!!
If he is guilty he needs to be punished, if he is not guilty he needs to be set free. Neither can happen until he goes to court and has his trial.
It certainly is not “fair” to the victims to have this case drug out for years. What about their right to have this case resolved and over with so they can move on with their lives.
Won’t take long to sentence criminals this month and next for those little pills that ruin lives when the addicts can’t care for themselves or their kids in a proper way.
see whylie,I considered also though the way he started defending Misty,seriously because even if he was sure it was not her…….how could he know it wasn’t someone with her that weekend?? he knew cj was trying to get him,wbg ticked him off or sommin,i dunno but he never suspected anybody! and even in the uc car he said dope boys don’t do that! jmo
Exactly jaba, don’t take long to take addicts to court and send them off to prison but damn if Putnam county can send off a pedophile as quickly.
Now we TA Whylie,Totally! lol
exactly Whylie,with whats left!
The sad part to me is this whylie,
In school,on tv,everywhere basically they tell these children to tell someone,an officer,a teacher…..etc well why would they when they know it’s not going to do anything but put them at risk even more!
CJ, I am sure that Ron has someone that he believes is involved, just as we all do. Difference is Ron was being fed different stories by different people, including LE.
I do not believe Ron believed that Misty had anything to do with Haleigh being missing. I truly believe that. NOW, may be a different story, after LE has given him info that we are not privy to.
He defended Misty because he believed her. And I do not believe Ron knew about WBG and Misty’s party weekend until after Haleigh went missing. I think that will come out when Sunshine kicks in.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
I just got to ask… are peeps really believing that this Middleton crap is seriously the cause of Cobra’s troubles?
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I would hope not because it’s total BS
so now we have the pervert who no doubt told them he’d kill them or someone else if they told? jmo
and here they are right down the street again!
CathyJo, I think it was Misty who said to Ron ‘theyre on to us’, but it could have been repeated more than once by others.
I know parents and grandparents do what they think is right for their kids, but at what price? Innocent children in the home of underage girls, drugs and guns would make me do something about the situation no matter what.
I agree that Cobra went about asking questions and scoping out anyone he could to get to the heart of the matter, things LE maybe didn’t think or want to think about. There has to be something more to this. There are at least three or four families in this that trace back many generations in that area, that have had ties to LE in the past.
Q: When did CS actually get custody of Jr? I don’t remember if it was before or after the drug bust. Were the Docs filed after Haleigh went missing or after the bust? I think it’d be safe to say that if it was after the drug bust, why didn’t somebody do something before that incident? There was an obvious pattern and history there of all sorts of unlawful things, but nobody ever did anything. Sorry, but I think that Jr. should have been removed ASAP from both parties.
Snodgrass. theres one for the books, among others. Serious RSO running loose and nobody does anything about it. Well, paint my wagon red! I think scum like him need a certain operation before turned loose so they can never hurt another innocent child. I say send them all over to Easter Island and let them fend for themsleves.
right,OK,i gotta give ya that! we don’t know!
**Off Topic** Felony
Police: Bad Set Of Teeth Ends Negotiations For Sex
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A man in Gainesville went to the police after getting robbed by a woman he intended to pay for sex, but refused when she flashed a smile full of bad teeth.
Lake Butler resident Dan Alford told investigators he and Jennifer Elder, 25, were negotiating a price until he noticed her dental problems, police said. Alford told police that after he resisted, she snatched a checkbook containing $78 from his shirt pocket and fled.
Elder told authorities she merely got scared and ran, not knowing the man had tucked a wad of cash into her bra, police said.
She was arrested on a robbery charge.
Gainesville police said it was unlikely Alford would face misdemeanor charges for solicitation, because he was the victim of a felony.
Greg Page didn’t know Ron and only had met Misty in that weekend for the first time.
It was after,thats how they got custody!
Jr never knew he wouldn’t see his daddy again either that day!
and leaving SO on the street won’t help other children! jmo
True,thats why i said,how did he not know one of those took Her?
OMG Adams,jeeeez
Be true to your teeth or they’ll be false to you!
CathyJo…HA!!!
WhyLie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 4:56 pm Exactly jaba, don’t take long to take addicts to court and send them off to prison but damn if Putnam county can send off a pedophile as quickly.
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And he was easy to see,he already had his ankle bracelet! jmo
What amazes me is that even media doesn’t seem to care. They went to court, took pics, wrote articles about Hope going to jail for 15 years, even though she has never been mentioned in connection with Haleigh’s case BUT none of those same media show up to court for an accused pedophile who has been walking the streets free for over 2 years now, and yet to go to trial.
People will talk about going to the “drug dealers” trials, but I have yet to hear anybody say they were going to sit in the courtroom for Snods hearings.
People will write letters and make phone calls to people in high places to assure that a PI retains his license, but I have yet to hear any of them say they are writing or calling those same people to demand that Snod be taken to trial.
I just don’t understand it.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
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Little Bear,You never heard it,really.I got it if you want to!
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CJ, do you mean you have the BNN show or the actual recording?
Thats why I say,sometimes peoples concern ain’t in the right place including mine but not this time,lol
The video LB!!!!
Its Cobra LB!
His own voice!
I’m interested!
AMEN WhyLie!
k brb lb!
Go to youtube LB and type this in:
Ronald Cummings: Had Nancy Grace On Speed Dial!
Quicker than the link will post i think,lol
Yea,WhyLie,these officials have children?? makes me wonder,I’d want mine to be safe from DS and his buddies!
Thnx, CJ. Thought you meant you had Cobra’s actual recording of Ronald. LOL. I thought, wow, is there anything on this case CJ doen’t have, lol!
But yes, that’s the one I was thinking of
thanks!
Cathy jo
Is there anything new going on?
omg I ‘m sorry LB! I am famous for confusing people……even myself! I’m sorry!
I wish KyMom!
sorry to say No! but NO! LOL
WhyLie said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
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LOL, I was reading that as it happened!
Whylie,
Have you sent those thoughts to the media outlets like the ones ladiesadie put up to try and get more tapes? Might make a difference.
Wonder when we will get to hear more jailhouse tapes? It’s been a while since we heard any…..lol
oh so its the right one LB? TG ,see,I am confused,LoL
Yeah, CJ, I tried to post a you tube link the other day. Someone was saying that attorneys shouldn’t comment online (when KP was posting here), then I found that Werter commented on his videos on You Tube. Interesting. My sis is an atty. I can’t imagine she would EVER post anything online about one of her cases! Very interesting.
Your sister is probably an ethical attorney.
You’re telling me KyMom!
Been counting the days,heck we all have!
Right LB!
Gotcha!
and YVW!
Can you believe he has a youtube channel and is making comments to people leaving comments? A new clown in the Haleigh Circus.
Simon
HAve you been asking about jail tapes? If so have they said when they are going to release them?
WhyLie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Couldn’t agree more! well….I could but don’t need too,it’s just fine!
Vaq,
Did you see the reptilian eyes comment/response. LOL!1
whatever happened to sillygirl??
reptillian eyes,you spooked me,God i hate snake eyes!
Second question then. Why didn’t KP, in her power proceed with filing an emergency order to get Jr. out of the inviroment immediately even if meant foster care? One child went missing, was there no need to worry about the little guy at the time? Or was that just overlooked? Rumors, actually proof was there regarding drug use by Ronald, the father and one child is allowed to remain in the care of these druggies? Unbelievable!
I find it a bit interesting that we heard Tommy liked to travel around the area late at night on foot. I do not think for one moment he’d let some weasel onto his turf without a good fight, meaning Snodgrass. I don’t think anyone else was in the immediate area, between his MH and Ronald’s that night except for Tommy and some of Misty’s frienemies.
That is what someone said about Werter’s eyes.. and he answered back!
LadyDay,and that child returned to another druggie! jmo
frienamies,good one,lol
LadyDay,sometimes you gotta screw your family over,your nemies don’t come round to often!
VQ, can you give me his youtube channel ?
TIA
LadyDay: I did not hear that LE found drugs at the MH the night Haleigh disappeared. But anyway for info related to some reasons why Jr was not removed please see an earlier post by CathyJo63 said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 12:08 am
(Just scroll up)
Cricket
http://www.youtube.com/user/werterlaw
Sounds like W went to the Bozo skuell of Law Yers R Us. youtube, no kidding? Snake eyes-lol! I wouldnt hire him for a parking ticket.
http://www.youtube.com/user/werterlaw
jaba said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Only God can judge ron. Just ask him.
I know a judge in florida that will prove him wrong.
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Love it! I have coffee from this morning and now pepsi all over my screen!
Cut and pasted from Werter’s Youtube:
Mr.. Croslin’s sentencing date was put off to August 6 for a larger amount of time. This was pre-arranged. People forget that under Steve Brown and my guidance, Tommy came forward to law enforcement to shed new light to find justice for Haleigh. Tommy has been living under a cloud of fear and spiraling drug use for the past year. Unless you are in the midst of all that is going on in this case, it is hard to give an accurate viewpoint. “
I did not mean to lay it all on KP, I understand her point of view, but it is strange not even someone out of Childrens Services, LE, nobody were concerned of some of the things we all had seen on television? nobody ever made a call in for a Welfare check? I know a lot of things were going on, but come on. The statement about drug debt sort of flies out the window, why only 1 child and not both? You’d think if that was the case, all the more reason to remove Jr. Actually remove them all into protective custody, but that didn’t happen either.
You thought of it in a way I hadn’t LadyDay!
Good Observation tho!
I bet some calls were made for welfare checks, the kind you cash.
Lori said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
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LOL, I was reading that as it happened!
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LOL, I had a feeling you might get it!
IIRC CS failed a drug test even after she got custody,though to be fair,I don’t think she wanted custody in a round about way,and I respect her more for not fighting for custody when ron had them b/c of that reason but i also think mg threw it in her lap so what was she supposed to do? Tell the nationwide media she didn’t want custody,IMO you should never force someone to keep a child,imo when ya do you create casey! jmo
If she had wanted it,she would have done it years ago! jmo
who knows,maybe she failed the DT on purpose for that reason,I mean not very likely,but still how do we know?
jaba said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Whylie,
Have you sent those thoughts to the media outlets like the ones ladiesadie put up to try and get more tapes? Might make a difference.
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jaba I have spoken to various media, mostly local, many times since Haleigh first went missing. I call, I don’t email. I have often complained to them about their sloppiness in the coverage of Haleigh being missing. I have also called certain reporters thanking them for good, balanced articles, and for keeping Haleigh’s name out there.
I have not called to request jail house conversations. While I have listened to a few of them, mostly when somebody here posts something that I think might be pertenant.
I personally do not believe that any of their conversations should be broadcast to the public. The only reason they are is because of Haleigh being missing. Now when I hear Imm’s visits and phone conversations put out to the public, I might reconsider my thoughts about it, but for now, I don’t approve.
I have stayed away from this blog for about a month and I come back to this !!! I don’t know why you want to question paternity of Haleigh after almost 17 months is taking ten steps backwards !!! The father(?) had legal custody of Haleigh at the time she came up “stoled” and it was his sole RESPONSIBILITY to keep Haleigh SAFE !!! I do appreciate what Cobra did to find the truth about Haleigh , but all he found out is that the ex-newlyweds and the others around them are a bunch LIARS !!! All I know , after almost 17 months , I hope the ex-newlyweds rot in prison and that Haleigh’s spirit haunts them in bad ways for the rest of their pathetic lives !!!!!!
Hmmmm spiraling drug use for a year? what are they giving Tommy while he’s in lock-up? Last count it seems Tommy has been locked up for ? at least 6 months. Seems to me, by Tommys own mouth, he has been into drugs for a lot longer than a year. JMO. Plus, if the statement is true that ‘he can’t hurt us anymore’, why would he be scared and under a cloud of fear? Fear from LE, maybe. Made his bed.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Vaq,
Did you see the reptilian eyes comment/response. LOL!1
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yes, LOL
http://www.youtube.com/user/werterlaw
What is their response to you?
I don’t know if you can see the youtube link or not Cricket but if you can’t just go to youtube and search werterlaw.
I love how Simon and Jan will answer other peoples questions but when I ask I get nothing. just sayin’
Heykelly,
Your wish will be granted by the fall of this year, I believe.
jaba, They have all been very cordial, BUT reporters aren’t like reporters used to be, as we so often see. They do not verify their information, and they tend to report what sells, which is not always true facts. Their work is often times extremely sloppy and not written in a way that makes what they are saying, or what they should be saying, or what they are trying to say, clear to the reader.
Ky mom,
Have you emailed simon or jan?
There is only the article on wanting the tapes that was written recently where the tapes were addressed. I don’t know if there is an update as of today.
ky mom, Simon wrote an article recently that he had inquired about getting more tapes and the SJ Sheriff’s Office told him no one in the media was requesting them and they won’t be doing any unless enough media request it due to the costs involved.
I guess maybe the Sunshine Law doesn’t kick into effect until a suspect and/or body is found and a court hearing starts and DA and Defense lawyers get all the paperwork?
I’d like to know who was taking care of Jr. while Ron was out and about those few times he’s on the drug videos? It sure wasn’t Misty! Wouldn’t that be cause for concern to LE, being since Ronald was the only one with court approved custody? I’m thinking if it was either TN or GS, no time to watch Haleigh, right? but time to watch Jr.? I’m sure it probably was somebody else watching him. Just seeing him in those videos would be cause to remove Jr. Sorry.
It’ll be interesting to read LE’s notes and see the pings, etc about the phone calls.
Cordial. Ok, what did they say about yoyr feelings, specifically? With or without names I’d be interested in what they said in response? Did they agree? Were there long conversations, or short?
You don’t owe me any answers or time here, just wanted to get more of the flavor of those contacts with the media folks.
Tia
It doesn’t have to be the media I don’t think. I thought that it was public record. And if the media isn’t asking why is that?
No I haven’t tried emailing but I will.
VQ, thanks for your answer I finally found it on my own. I’m not any good when it comes to searching. I’ve been searching for Stacy Horowitz e-mail addy and haven’t found it.
KyMom–I am with you on the release of those tapes. I believe the PCSO gave someone the run around. Under the Freedom of Information Act I would assume that it should not matter if 1 or 100 media outlets requested these tapes they should be made available. If cost is a factor then I think the state of Florida should have thought of that when they adopted the SunShine Law. Something stinks to me on the release of these tapes. I would assume these are the tapes AFTER the last river search? I don’t listen to the tapes or agree with their release but I think it rather odd that they made up an excuse NOT to release these tapes and the excuse being cost? Please I am not buying it..because frankly it is the LAW to provide media with these tapes upon request! JMO
I guess maybe the Sunshine Law doesn’t kick into effect until a suspect and/or body is found and a court hearing starts and DA and Defense lawyers get all the paperwork?
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They are in jail for drugs so there for we can hear their convos. We have heard their jail house tapes before . It has just been a while.
One time jr. was at school Misty says so in one of the drug video’s.
Ky Mom, no it doesn’t have to be the media requesting the tapes, but the person(s) requesting have to commit to pay the cost of the county personnel editing/redating and transferring them to CD/DVD form. So far have not been given an exact amount but without 20 to 30 committed requests we are talking quite a bit of money (possibly upwards of $1000).
Hello everyone.. happy jump day! Waving to LadySadie, Heart Canada, Jaba…..
anything up at all with this case????
meant to say happy hump day..sorry… lol
Hi iloves, yes happy hump day! And for me tomorrow is “Friday”, during summers we work 4 – 10 hour days and have the “real” Friday’s off!
LadySadie: You are right about the cost of the tapes. LE has to commit personnel, equipment and materials (audio tapes or whatever) to do it.
Even during a real trial that’s the situation. That’s why Bozo had to pay the Orange County Sheriff’s Office for the tapes of tips that were phoned in to LE when Caylee Anthony was “missing.” During the last hearing I believe the prosecution said the tapes were waiting and the cost was $2,000+.
m2c, yes I called SJSO, to find out if as a resident I could get the tapes, and that is as much information I have so far. Have requested a quote for the amount but so far all they have said is probably upwards of $1000.
Robin,
I know it costs money for ‘copies’ of legal docs on paper here in court houses. Maybe its the same type of thing. Idk for sure.
KyMom, I was only speaking of where it pertains to only Haleigh and what all LE has so far in her case. I read somewhere that LE can keep certain information under wraps at their descretion. Personally, I never thought in a million years these young kids, meaning TC, MC, RC could keep any story straight to the point of letting something slip after all this time.
I do remember Ronald saying he moved to the Green St. location and nobody knew where he had lived or nobody knew he had moved. That was a lie. It was a little interesting just the same. Who was looking for him before he moved, if anybody? I have a feeling nobody was looking for him at all, small town, they would have found him before 6 weeks.
All this talk of his guns, etc. If he was a’scared because of a debt, could have sold them or given them to satisfy that debt. Some of his and the others; the way they talk, it sounds like paranoia via drug use. Wasn’t so a’scared afterward, not during the drug sting either.
I would assume the county or city (whichever) has someone on their payroll to redact these tapes. All jailhouse calls are recorded right? They do not bring someone in for special occasions (like this case). I imagine that someone has a full time job doing just that. Someone monitors those calls and tapes them. The media should not have to pay to have those tapes to be redacted–only a flat fee (5 dollars a piece I would assume). That’s the only cost media should be required to pay. The Freedom of Information Act (and the SunShine Law) is set in place so the media can request information and be granted access to it–not for law enforcement to make a profit off it or make media pay extra for information that is theirs LEGALLY to obtain. This refusal to release these tapes without a fee of over a thousand dollars is ludicrous and criminal and should be a story in itself. If this ended up being a story in the local papers (the extortion and high price fees to release jail tapes) I bet a dollar to a donut those tapes would be released immediately at the bargain price of five dollars a piece (the original price). Information doesn’t come free BUT it should not be at the exorbitant price they are asking for these tapes. JMO
Hey ils…nothing new. Just a 1000 posts of the same things.
Werters youtube comment just above me a few here talking about tommys aug 6 court date.
1000 posts of the same thing, that is so true.
We are at such a stand still with this case there is nothing to talk about except going over info we have discussed or read about dozens of times. So ready for some movement. Surely things will pick up as we get closer to trials.
I think this Friday is Ron’s last day to make a plea deal, IIRC.
I thought Simon told us they were $5 for each tape? I think they had 6 sets ready the last few times so if it were 9 tapes, that would be approximately $270?
Bringing this post over from the original thread. Seems doubtful the media outlets will be interested but could be worth a try. Thanks to LadySadie for the links.
There were a couple blogger suggestions for a paypal donation site to get the tapes but how to set it up and who to administrer the donations? This is a shame since the tapes are probably post search timeframe–
LadySadie said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 7:02 pm Info for some of the area news media contacts:
St. Augustine Record
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True Andy,or make it up as we go,lol j/k but you are right! Its become too quiet!
Lori, the reason they got the last set of 5 for $5 each was because 20 or more different media stations requested them, the total cost was split between all requesters. So far besides myself as an individual citizen of St Johns County, BNN has been the only requests for the latest set. Since I am requesting them to send to Jan and Simon there is actually only one requester, and that one person would have to pay the entire cost.
I agree. This post generated so many posts over a few things. Then add in machine gun one liners and here we are at square one.
SO MUCH WE DONT KNOW inhibits moving forward.
Ron is up for trial the 19th if it happens. Or a plea. He may.
Then the one I think we will get the most out of, mistys, next month.
Yep, jaba, Misty’s is on Aug. 23rd. I already have the day requested as a vacation day, will be there and run to the car as soon as I know anything to “report” it here first, LOL.
Thanks LadyS. I had thought there were only 6 sets so with 20, that would be kind of expensive. I can’t believe the local media haven’t requested them considering the river search and LE declaring Haleigh a homicide victim.
Thank you for trying. I wish Simon would put up a Paypal button.
LOL, just waiting to find out which courthouse to be at for the “morning” session then make the drive to the other for the “afternoon” session. Betting St. Johns will be in the morning and Putnam in the afternoon if a deal is not made before the trial date
Ronald Cummings used his young wife Misty Croslin Cummings as an alibi early last month when he falsely told police that he did not leave a headless dead rat in the mailbox of Misty’s brother Tommy Croslin. Ronald Cummings allegedly told Tim Miller of Equusearch that in lying and using Misty as his alibi, he was testing Misty Croslin Cummings’ ability to lie to the police.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2196193/ronald_cummings_rat_alibi_rings_alarm.html
Why on earth would he want to know how well she could lie to the police? And I don’t believe it was because he wanted to see her reaction so he’d know too,lol jeez jmo
Cathy Jo, make it up as we go. rofl
Jaba, yes Ron’s trial date is July 19th but his last day to make a plea deal is July 9th. So we could possibly hear something about that by Friday.
LadySadie, nice that you will be live there. Glad you will report it here on BNN.
Hey everyone. Just dropping in again quickly.
The Article says: (per Simon): He asked questions that were embarrassing to the politicos, and they are not going to let it drop. I’ll go so far as to share the question that started this whole disaster, who was Haleigh Cummings biological father?
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I know some are asking to show proof that he wasn’t the father, but the point is to show proof that he was. There is No DNA testing. Ron agreed to accept the paternity of Haleigh and him being the father. Does NOT mean he was.
Could of been a stranger or a underage boy or a rape (records sealed). Ron could of been in the dark about all three. CS and her family were probably ecstatic that Ron was willing to marry her and claim Haleigh, to make the whole thing respectable.
Now the point is, WHY would the question of ‘who was Haleigh Cummings biological father?’ be (per simon and cobra), “embarrassing to the politicos” and WHY (per simon and cobra), “are they not going to let it drop”? and WHY (per simon and cobra) would that question be what “started this whole disaster”?
I think Cobra could ask that question all day long to whoever and could get all kinds of answers, but WHY would it bother the politicos and WHY would they want to take his PI license over it???
I know that someone here said it is just the point of asking questions in general that they don’t like, because it could ruin their campaign. Well, that could be true. BUT this was a specific question and obviously struck a nerve and continues to. So he asked a question they didn’t like. Was it enough to pursue it to this point? Hmmm.
I also wonder, why would he ask the question to the politcos, instead of CS? Wouldn’t she know if anyone would? Well maybe she already told him or KP? maybe he was following up on some credible information? We just don’t know.
CS could of said something just to hurt Ron, but who knows. Maybe Ron’s overly claimed love for Haleigh was his defense to show that he did love her and he was her daddy! It could of been a cruel way to get to Ron by KP spreading crap too (along with all the other garbage she spewed out 2nd hand from CS). We just don’t know.
But to start Cobra’s demise for losing his PI license, because the Good Ole Boys won’t let it go?, well that’s a whole different story. Maybe TN got real upset and told the Good Ole Boys to make Cobra shut his mouth about her son and grandaughter? You never know who’s got some pull where.
LoL Andy,seriously though,to get new info we’d have too,LoL
Cathy Jo63, that made me laugh but this has been a long time with little progress in finding the truth. It has at times felt like “someone” is making it up as they go. That is what is scary to me about this case. I have never seen or read about a case that had so many distractions.
May as well join the reporters and such,some of them make it up,lol
LoL Andy,notice we thought the same thing at the same time,rofl!!
So we ain’t dreaming!
Its totaaly out of the ball park!
I wonder if Tommy’s trial got moved forward because of his complaint of his rights being violated?
Not sure Andy but IMO,Its got everything to do with it!
brb phone
I have always wondered if Ron really did put a rat in that mail box or if Tommy just told that because he was mad at him. It seems like they all lie.
Cathy Jo
Have you been watching the coverage on Alisa Maier?
The guy that they think might have taken her name is Paul Smith. He committed suicide sson after letting her out at a car wash. But anyways I went to see if he had a myspace and this is what I found. http://www.myspace.com/deathbysuicide This account was created April of last year. Do you think this guy had planned on kidnapping a child for over a year and then killing himself? That is crazy……
Andy said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
I have always wondered if Ron really did put a rat in that mail box or if Tommy just told that because he was mad at him. It seems like they all lie.
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What about the neighbor that saw Ron’s vehicle with Misty in the passengers seat stop at Tommy’s mailbox at about the time the rat was placed in the mailbox? Think they would lie about that?
LOL, have to leave my cellphone in the car when going into the courthouse, so won’t be able to sent minute to minute updates. Will have to wait until the hearing is over and get back to the car to post.
WhyLie said,in July 7th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
I personally do not believe that any of their conversations should be broadcast to the public. The only reason they are is because of Haleigh being missing. Now when I hear Imm’s visits and phone conversations put out to the public, I might reconsider my thoughts about it, but for now, I don’t approve.
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I totally agree. No one should have things like very private discussions regarding a divorce broadcast to the general public.
And it is interesting that we didn’t hear Imm’s calls or visits….perhaps someone should ask for them.
*me*, it is much harder to get the recordings from Putnam County because they do not already have the technology in place to convert the media to digital. They do have a bid out to finally get the technology, but….at this time they do not have the same capabilities as St. Johns County.
And to let everyone know Jan did write me back in a Email and said that only one other main media stream was interested.
Why is the Media not wanting the jail house tapes?
Sorry if I said it wrong to you ky mom, but they told Simon that BNN was the only one requested them. We are trying to get other main stream media interested so the price won’t be so expensive.
Jan Barrett
Well, time for this lady to turn in for the night, those 10 hours days get REAL long by Thursday and 5 am comes way too early.
Night all, and prayers sent that this will finally be the week that there is Justice for Haleigh.
Well I left half of it out .lol
It cost alot of money and they would need more than one other media stream to help with the cost.
Lock and load.
Me, that would be interesting to see if Imm’s were released.
LadySadie, I had heard the neighbor reported that but then heard there was no way she could see that from the window she said she saw it from and that was why they didn’t press charges.
IDK if either story is true but that is what I read. I am not saying one way or the other. It seems we have to many opposite stories to keep up with.
IIRC Andy,He said he did,heyaaaa Me!! lol
everytime the phone rings I think I am about to be a Granny again,LoL
ky mom said,in July 7th, 2010 at 9:56 pm And to let everyone know Jan did write me back in a Email and said that only one other main media stream was interested.
Why is the Media not wanting the jail house tapes?
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Mmmmmm Too save our lives or not confuse us even more,LoL
Cathy Jo
Is this your first grandchild?
Yes,KyMom,Treece told me about it!
I’LL check out the link in a sec,thanks!!!!!
Cathy Jo63 You said you are about to be granny again. How many do you have?
Ky Mom, thank you for the update on the tapes. It is surprising that no more media want them.
No,KyMom,2nd…….Dakota is 10! LoL
Me,it is sad that we know more about Hank and Lisa than anybody in this case or close,and thats not right,Tommys Kids should have not even been put in it either,among a few others,The big dummied brought it on themselves but the ones who have not been suspected period,its just not right!
Heck,We’d be flyin if we even knew about the sheffs as much as we do Hank,Lisa!
Ohhh. Is it suppose to be a girl or a boy?
Andy you are welcome. I know I don’t understand. It looks like JAXs or one of the big news stations would want those tapes I’m sure it boost rating……
IMVHO i think that ron put it there but to put more suspicion on Tommy,but he was seen…I think he was anyway!
If so,I am sure he’d say he did to see how well Misty could lie,jmo
KyMom,A boy!! LoL
And the doc told us it would be born naked and toothless!! LoL What a shame
You guys probably are ready know this but just in case you don’t Granny Hollars has a myspace…
http://www.myspace.com/florahollars6aolcom
KyMom,it is weird that the guy killed himeself,gonna go check that out,brb
Naked and toothless!!! rofl
Good night all. Work comes early tomorrow.
KyMom,If he didn’t he couldn’t have tried harder to make it appear that way!
My Goodness what a freak!
Drew P’s trial starts Thursday don’t it?
I know that is crazy. I glad he didn’t kill the little girl and let her go.. That god.
Toothless and naked then it must have ky blood.lol
Goodnight Andy
LoL True KyMom! rofl
brb phoneeeee
We need to find out some more things on Crystal and family.
I did have a few friends from Macclenny fl. I haven’t talk to them in years. But I’m sure if I called them they might think Im crazy but they would tell me what they know about Crystal and family. Macclenny is a very small town. I wouldn’t say it as small as W-burg but close. I might just call them up one day this week. lol
New Grandbaby?
Yes KyMom,LoL My daughter is due this month!
Phone rings I jump outta my skin,lol
I agree about the Sheffs,who knows?
None of em seem to have the sense God gave a chicken,In other words,the mall is open but ain’t nobody shoppin! LoL
I went up to Whitesburg with my brother Ted about 2 months ago,we didn’t stay long but omg,the entire place looked different,When I go up to ky I make a bee line to the Pine Mtn. Grill!
lol
Well I guess I’ll get off here and go to bed. One more thing is Crystal from Macclenny or Glen St mary or where?
Glen,gnite KyMom!
I am gonna surf awhile,lol
I love Pine Mountain Grill. Me and my little Granny go there all the time. lol
I know did you see our new traffic light. rofl….
There is no place like the mountains.
Yea I saw it,LoL
Night Cathy Jo.. talk to ya tom.
When police arrived at 202 Green Lane in the River Villa mobile home community in the Hermit’s Cove area of Satsuma, they were greeted by a frantic Ronald Cummings. When deputies were finally able to calm him down, he explained that he had last seen his daughter at about 10:00 p.m. Monday night before he left for work. He said he is employed by PDM Bridge, a company in nearby Palatka that builds steel girders for bridges. When he had returned home, at about 3:45 a.m., his girlfriend had told him that his daughter was missing.
According to Misty Croslin, she had been alone in the house with Haleigh and the child’s 3-year-old brother, Ronald Jr. Croslin said that when she had fallen asleep, Haleigh was next to her in the bed; however, when she later woke up to go to the bathroom—minutes before Cummings arrived home from work—she discovered that Haleigh was missing. Croslin also stated she observed that a rear door to the trailer was ajar and that a brick had been used to prop it open. Croslin further said that she observed a blanket and sheets scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/haleigh-cummings.html
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Wonder why they wrote this up this way? HE last saw her @ 10, and the 3:45??
Maybe a mistake but just sayin’
Blankets and sheets?
K,KyMom Hugs!!!!!!!
Andy said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Jaba, yes Ron’s trial date is July 19th but his last day to make a plea deal is July 9th. So we could possibly hear something about that by Friday.
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Andy,
Ronald’s last day to make a plea deal was extended when the Motion to Continue (the trial date) was denied (so it is no longer the 9th). No date is listed for the new date to make a plea:
07/01/2010 46 ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR CONTINUNANCE TRIAL DATE AND
07/01/2010 46 GRANTING AS TO LAST CHANCE PLEA DATE
Ky Mom, the Sheffield/Griffis are in Glen St. Mary.
Hey Lady.. LOVED YOUR POST about taking that vacation day….
since we can’t get those tapes yet, maybe we should do a collection for you for an IPAD? LOL… then we can get that information stat…lol
how are you today?
Justice for HaLeigh.. and so happy that baby Alissa was found!!
Doing good iloves, lolly-gagging when I should be finishing getting ready for work, LOL. They wouldn’t allow me to bring in an iPad either. No cellphones, laptops, camera’s or electronic devices that are capable of recording or taking pictures. Old fashioned paper notepads are acceptable, LOL. Good thing I can write fast, the problem will be can I read what I write,
oh, I totally TRUST you..lol.. you got it going with speed, especially with those four day summer work weeks…
ha! nice to chat with you early.. anything new and exciting?
“WhyLie said,
in July 6th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
mlee, where is this fight at the tent between Ron and Robbie coming from? Do you have a link? The fight between Robbie and Ron was long before Haleigh ever went missing.
The Sheffield camp, including KP, would have been all over that if there was a fight between the two of them at the tent.”
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To my knowledge, there have been two altercations between the two boys, rm and ron, one when Haleigh was very small, and the other just after she went missing at the tents, the one at the tent was suppose to have the following comment that went with it, “How could you let my daughter be stolen”, from RM to RC…
Just like there was an altercation at the tents after the first vigil, between families
and some have claimed it was over money, if this were true.. I think that would upset me greatly.. can you imagine the families fighting over money, with this child missing less than 24 hours??
others claim it was because crystal and ron were together, and that was no pleasing..
Unless there was a witness at the tent, that gave an accurate accounting, I would set back and just say Hummmmm?
I really think people need to stop just for 5 minutes and really make themselves aware of the family dynamics.. Their actions speak so clearly.. Someone has along the line compared the two families as the Hatfields and MCCoys. In the sense there has been major issues between the two for many years, thats correct..
Just at this point, they now have created a union of backers to go out and fight the battles for them.. And maintain vendetta’s against anyone who doesn’t follow their leads. My concept, If you find info that is the truth.. it will always stay the same, never change, never waver.. its the untruths that come out, that end up being inconsistent, because the details waver.. And Misty is not the only one out of this grouping of people who is inconsistent..
I also have to point out, that on Misty’s voice analysis, only one.. just one.. statement she made came out.. TRUE. “I called Ron to come home”. She wasn’t, there, she wasn’t asleep, she didn’t wash, she didn’t do anything that she said she did.. So, throw out that entire time line that misty revealed,
and you know what you have 0.. thats it.. Its like she had to make the entire story up to cover the hours till ron came home… Why would she have to do that?? Is she protecting someone.. No evidence, No DNA, even ron throws her under the bus, comment he made to the deputy and is on the police report.. “bed doesn’t look like anyone sleep in it”.. After listening to Hank Sr, and his comments about the wed night prior to Haleigh gone missing, “that ron called him at 1:30am wanting to know if misty was at his house, Hank Sr, says no she isn’t.. ron say’s I’ll go out and look for her.. Hank says, are you gonna leave the kids home alone? ron says they’ll be okay, their sleeping!!” Well, folks it would give the concept that it was not unusual for either misty or ron to leave those two children home alone.. So, Its going to be one or the other, either the kids were home alone, left by misty that night.. Or, there was no one at that house after ron left for work, until shortly before he arrived home… See they can’t have it both ways.. No one can verify she was there when her test come back showing that she’s lying about being there..
Another side note of interest, Jason Jolicoeur, Special Agent with FDLE, who at one time was assigned to the Haleigh Cummings case, could use our prayers!
His 4 year old son Ayden has been diagnosed with a rare form of cancer when doctors discovered a tumor on his spinal cord. Called glioblastoma and it is at an aggressive grade 4. There is no cure. There is no shrinking the tumor. The chemo is the best bet to keep it where it is.
If chemotherapy isn’t successful, the family will try proton radiation therapy. All of the treatments and expenses to take care of Ayden will be a heavy burden on the family.
There are two fundraising events scheduled for this week to help the Jolicoeurs. You can find details on the events and other ways to donate to the family by visiting http://www.cure4ayden.com.
Lets all keep this family in our prayers.
Thank you LadieSadie for the info on Jason Jolicoeurs son, Ayden. I will keep him in my prayers.
I am catching up from yesterday. I was hoping there had been some new news on Haleigh.
I thanked God that the little 4 year old was found and returned to her family. I hope we find out soon if the suspect that shot himself was indeed the one that abducted Alissa. If not; they need to keep looking and find him so he cannot abduct another child and next time the outcome may not be as good.
mlee, Your statement “to my knowledge” is what I am asking about. Where did that knowledge come from? You witnessed it? From a video? From an article? Or just another rumor that is being put out there as fact? Since I had not heard they had a fight at the tent, and have not heard about that “statement” you are quoting Robbie as saying, and I have watched this case unfold since day one, I wonder just where you came up with that information.
As far as Misty’s LVA test goes, if you watch it you will see that she gave a “Truthful” response when asked if she had anything to do with Haleigh being missing. (not sure of the exact wording of the question) so for you to say that Misty ONLY answered True to one question, “I called Ron to come home.” is not accurate. You can see that with your own eyes by watching the video.
Would you please link the police report with Ron telling the deputy that the bed had not been slept in, because I don’t remember that and it is something I certainly want to read. What else is in that police report? Which deputy was he talking to when he made that statement?
I only remember TM making that statement but I am old and may have missed it being made by Ron to LE. But that’s a police report I certainly would like to read.
Prayers going out for Ayden and his family.
WhyLie I have to agree with you. I have never heard of Robbie Middleton having an altercation with Ronald at the tent and I have only TM talk about Ron saying the beds did not look slept in. The only other rumor I heard about someone going to Rons tent was his friend Orlando and he was telling Ron that he owed him money; for what I do not know, but the people said Ron was angry that Orlando came to his tent.
I believe Ron is Haleighs bio-dad unless someone can provide info that would have me believe different.jmo
lfj, I think the Orlando story is a rumor as well. When Ron talked to Cobra he even called Orlando his friend. I think that rumor came along with the rumor of Ron stealing jugs of donation money. There were several locals that were aiding the Sheffield camp with making Ron look bad and Crystal look good.
I look at the pics of Haleigh and TN and I have no doubt who that baby’s father is. Just more garbage to take the focus off of finding a missing little girl, imo.
I really don’t know how someone could steal jugs of money that should have been theirs to begin with,I can imagine Ron knew he had to get them before MG cleaned them out……jmo
LoL Good Morning All!
Looking,me either……well I heard of it but AH would have been between em with his cam and I never saw AH with a bruise did you? LoL
WhyLie, the old man at the store gave the testament and vowed never to donate another penny, because he was behind Ron and watched him empty the jar on the counter and purchase beer, cigs and 50.00 worth of lottery tickets. I do not feel that elderly man was lying on Ronald or the waitress at Chilis when she said that Ron said do you know who I am and her manager comped his meal. I am not a Ron or Crystal fan, but I am not a hater as well. I did state the reference to Orlando as a rumor. I do believe that both sides had supporters to help make the other look bad. I do agree that all the dysfunction, side shows and lying has greatly hindered finding this precious little girl.jmo
Man,the news sure has slowed to a complete stop!
omg,are you serious Looking? please say it didn’t go for beer,cigs and lottery tickets?
Looking,its a tug of war between each member of the family! Thats obvious!
Here they were KP? I assume,bought Crystal new clothes to change her image,sure makes ya wonder why all this was more important than actually looking for Haleigh!
CathyJo that is what the elderly man said. He was very upset. Those jars were also to help aide the investigation to find Haleigh. Ron and Crystal both had Bank accounts that were set up to temporarily help them out with finances.
After speaking with Hank Jr, I spoke with Lisa Croslin. Lisa stated that she was not sure what Ronald was on but he was not in the right state of mind. She said that up until now she never knew him as being violent.
She said that they had received a phone call from her daughter Misty screaming and crying. She said that she was worried about her daughter and went to the residence to check on her. She said that when they arrived on scene Ronald went crazy. She said that when they were in the driveway of the residence Ronald came to the vehicle and hit her son. Lisa completed a written sworn statement in reference to the incident.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-06/story/ronald_cummings_arrested_for_burglary_battery
Right Looking! Thats pitiful isn’t it?
I heard that before BUT I never heard it from you so it makes Quite a difference! TY!
CathyJo, I wish someone would stop worrying about there own arses and come forward with the info to bring Haleigh home no matter if she is deceased or not. The behavior in this case from the families I feel is truely pathetic! I still stand with what I believe, that the answers are right there in Satsuma.jmo
Right Looking,I don’t understand though why they were set up for Crystal financially? Not being cold to her,I am only saying she didn’t pay child support for Haleigh and JR so how was it hard on her financially!She didn’t have custody of them so I just look down on that,sorry!
Amen Looking,They are most certainly right there in Satsuma!!!!!!
Somebody needs to stand up and tell the truth for Haleigh for a change and stop protecting the ones responsible! jmo
And to be honest Looking,That just leads me more toward Ron,He’s her father and just in my very own opinion,Its him everybodys covering for,Shoot….Tommy and Jo and Misty,NayNay all have been suspected and how could they all keep their stories straight if they were drugged all up at the time,you know certainly one of those idiots would have crossed up and it would be found out!
The longer it goes,the more I suspect Ron,Not that I am right but thats where my mind is!JMO
CathyJo I believe the community set up one for Crystal so that she could stay there in Satsuma instead of traveling back and forth.jmo
And I’ll betcha bottom dollar Ron can keep a secret!
Robin, I see! LoL
Looking!!!!!!
I’m so sorry!
LoL See,I would have already been hanged,lol
CathyJo I believe Ron knows what happened to Haleigh, but I do believe he was at work in order to establish a solid alibi. I cannot say if he left for a short period of time though. It could be that they have slipped up and we just do not know it yet and that is why LE are so focused on thses certain individuals.jmo
lfj, Where did that info come from? The waitress and manager at Chili’s did not give statements to the media. That info was relayed through a local via WS, Pirate, to be exact. Now some might take that info as “fact” but I personally do not.
I have yet to read anything regarding the old man that witnessed Ron taking the money jug. So who did he tell? Perhaps another, or the same local, that was relaying inaccurate info via the web as part of Crystal’s camp to make Ron look bad. Kind of like the money Ron supposedly took right out of Crystal’s tent and LE could do nothing about.
If you have the article where the elderly man relays his experience of witnessing Ron taking money from the donation jar and buying cigs, etc. I surely would like to read it, but my inclination is to believe that that rumor, along with many others, came from a certain group of locals who were passing on info for KP, Marie, and Crystal, that was not exactly the truth.
OH yes,I gotcha there Looking,I am still going to say that Ron snuck out of work and Teresa sat nearby with his phone!
CathyJo, They all can keep a secret if they are involved. I was at work, I was sleeping, I do not know what happened to Haleigh. I am sure after watching the Caylee case they all knew to keep their mouths shut as to what really happened. If LE cannot come up with strong circumstancial evidence to prove otherwise or get a truthful confession as to what LE believes happened( as in the Caylee case) it is going to be hard to charge someone.jmo
Right,I gotcha! Thats why I think Misty holds the key?
The funny thing is too that Ron said he didn’t want the publicity on him personally,well he had to know media was at chilli’s and he had to know he would propose because he had the ring on him,How did he buy that truck with no job?
WhyLie it was reported in the media and yes AH was also one that reported it. I heard it when I went there.
Thanks lfj, do you remember what media it was reported in? Besides AH of course, since he was “paid” media to make Ron look bad and Crystal to look good, I hardly think his reporting of something like that would be credible, especially given the fact much of his info was being, and shared, back and forth among certain locals.
Maybe part of the problem why media is not biting to buy tapes is maybe they are tired of hearing mistruths from this group. You’d think at least some outlet like CNN would buy them. Money is no object for the big stations if they want a story.
Until today, I never heard that Ronald last saw Haleigh at 10:pm. Just goes to show that stories take on a life of their own when nobody knows exactly what happened or lies have been cast out to taint what really happened. I always went with my first instinct, then went to read to glean any bit of info one of them could have said. Got more than our share. My first instinct hasnt changed, but my goodness, we got a Satsuma novel diatribe going on with all these residents and former residents. None of them are worthy of anything except maybe being up in jail and having children removed.
I know it might be illegal, but it’s too bad LE never put the whole lot of them rotters in one big room, semi circle and just sat there and keep staring them down, until one or 2 or even 5 of them talked.
I need to go and have my scones, treacle and tea now. This had me so shook up again yesterday, I honestly forgot to eat, pretty bad!
We know that Ronald took Misty out to eat, to the race tracks and took her out on the town all the while searchers were frantically searching for his daughter. We know that when it came time for Ronald to pay he would tell the waiter “Don’t you know who I am.”
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I have no idea if its correct,just posting because it was brought up! Use your judgement,not mine,lol
http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet
CathyJo, you are right! It is my opinion that he and Crystal should of been in front of those cameras everyday they were available to reach out and keep everyone looking for Haleigh. jmo
Look at Kyrons bio-parents. They came together and has not let all the news coming out about Terri to interferre with their main objective of finding their son.jmo
phone brb
WhyLie, I heard it with my own ears from people that have never met Ron nor Crystal. I am telling you that the elderly man was very upset! Citizens there in Putnam are still outraged about Haleighs disappearance and they want Justice for her.
LOL CathyJo! I also thought of the phone being with TN also. Just because a person owns a cell phone, doesnt neccessary mean that person is actually using it, unless records can verify who called who and the other person verifies they spoke to the caller. I had these thoughts with the CA case.
One time I got brave and posted on AH. Asked why nobody was charged with at least child endangerment. the drug use was so obvious. The answer I got back was amazing. Cant quote it now, but along the lines of why should they when they are charged with drug trafficking which carrys a bigger sentence. In part, true, but we are still talking about a missing little girl by the name of Haleigh.
LadyDay I agree with you. This case never leaves my mind. It sometimes gets the better of me. I just have to remember to keep hope and pray.
looking for Justice said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 11:33 am
WhyLie, I heard it with my own ears from people that have never met Ron nor Crystal. I am telling you that the elderly man was very upset! Citizens there in Putnam are still outraged about Haleighs disappearance and they want Justice for her.
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looking for Justice, can you remember which media outlet you heard/saw this. I would like to read or listen to it myself. When all of that was bantered about on the net, I wondered why none of it was hitting the main stream media. So if you can provide a link or point to the media outlet it would be very much appreciated.
werterlaw commented on Jane Velez Mitchell 07/02/2… (6 hours ago)
“602redroses, this is why I am up at 4:30 am. One never knows about the truth for sure. But Tommy’s rendition pretty well matches up with some other information recieved. In this job, you can always be surprised. Its my job to do my best to seek it, its all attorneys’ job.”
werterlaw commented on Jane Velez Mitchell 07/02/2… (6 hours ago)
@KrisDeleon01 Sory, new to youtube and haven’t gotten it wired yet. I will rpresent Tommy thru the whole matter. If you have been following this case, theCroslin have stated who the real person of interest is and his violent nature. othing to do with the sheriff’s office. ”
http://www.youtube.com/user/werterlaw
I believe Arts site still has an article and Levi Page had it on his show a few times. Levi has even mentioned it in some of the articles he has written.
All Ronald had to do was leave his phone laying at werk, TN didn’t have to help him.
I don’t feel like Ronald reads the news so I can’t see that he would know a cell can be tracked even if you are not using it. I think some people are giving him way too much credit for knowing anything about cell tower pings.
Thanks lfj,
I remember a local also saying, first hand knowledge mind you, that Ron had sent Jr up to the door to try and get Amber’s baby out of the house so that Ron could “take” him.
First hand knowledge from a local that we all have since learned was not true.
I also remember some talk, early on, people in grocery stores over hearing conversations, about stuff and then passing it on through the web.
Doesn’t mean it’s true.
I will search and see if I can find anything about this elderly gentleman to see if he actually witnessed it or if he heard it from somebody else.
Oh, wow. This is just pitiful. We’re back to recycling old and often debunked rumors from well over a year ago and discussing Haleigh’s paternity. It reminds me of a hamster in a cage going round and round on its little wheel. It’s pathetic. Especially for little Haleigh (IMO).
Oh, wow. This is just pitiful. We’re back to recycling old and often debunked rumors from well over a year ago and discussing Haleigh’s paternity. It reminds me of a hamster in a cage going round and round on its little wheel. It’s pathetic. Especially for little Haleigh (IMO).
Sorry for the double post. Don’t know how that happened.
looking for Justice said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 11:43 am
I believe Arts site still has an article and Levi Page had it on his show a few times. Levi has even mentioned it in some of the articles he has written.
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Neither AH, nor Levi Page is mainstream media. Levi lives in TN, and has no sources. Levi only regurgitates what he reads on the net, hears on NG, JVM or some other outlet. No first hand knowledge what so ever. We know more than Levi Page does. He gets his info from Twitter and Marie Griffis who is on his twitter list.
m2c said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Sorry for the double post. Don’t know how that happened.
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Well it was worth repeating
Thank you, LillyMae @ 12:07
I’d have likened it to asking Judas and whoever your favorite gossip columnist is. But you put it much better than I could.
Sorry I had stepped away for a minute. I agree just because someone says something doeasn’t mean it is gospel. I do believe the person that gave me the story on the convient store with the old man because he was there and I heard it from him, before AH ever reported it. It is in my opinion that here has been alot of rumors in this case that has taken the spotlight off of Haleigh.
It is like the statement Crystal made that she birthed them she shpould not have to pay support. When Vaq stated that here on the board I knew it was the truth, because I had already heard that same exact statement from friends that were involved in the search.jmo
oops should
Ladyonamission said,in July 8th, 2010 at 11:49 am All Ronald had to do was leave his phone laying at werk, TN didn’t have to help him.
I don’t feel like Ronald reads the news so I can’t see that he would know a cell can be tracked even if you are not using it. I think some people are giving him way too much credit for knowing anything about cell tower pings.
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Anybody knows a cell phone can be tracked,besides i am certain the heard of casey anthony!
He imo knew thet could be tapped?
I was adding my assumption that TN was nearby,also the red truck by the trax!
CathyJo I agree with you. All of America was practicly was glued to the coverage of little Caylee and they spoke about how they were tracking her by the pings of her cell and there was at one point that they could not tell where she was at due to the fact her phone was off or had went dead.
sorry,could be tapped,they kept saying not to talk on them,they were tapped,lol jmo
I don’t know anyone who hasn’t brought up the old news either,Its all we have,Theres nothing any of us no for certain yet,and won’t for awhile I imagine,so all we can do is rechew the same cud,I don’t know why some don’t like that? really I don’t…..not being hateful,just being honest,If we had facts,we wouldn’t have to figure out what these idiots give us!
You just look at whats likely by actions or words and try your best to seperate it,Until we do know! Doesn’t make anybody bad for that? Just makes them bad imo for doing it to Haleigh,I’m not here for them,I’M here to represent Haleigh as best I can…jmo
Afterall,It’s not likely I’ll be in the jury pool…and I am not an attorney,or a judge so What i say might irk someone else but in the end,it basically means nothing! jmo
Why would any family member worry about a phone being tapped if they were not directly involved in something? The CS group was too far away to be involved, ok. So why worry about any phone? Again, it makes no sense.
I agree with you CathyJo. That is why I am here. I feel if we stop discussing everything related to Haleighs disappearance the pressure to find out what happened to this beautiful angel will cease.JMO
looking for Justice said,in July 8th, 2010 at 12:32 pm CathyJo I agree with you. All of America was practicly was glued to the coverage of little Caylee and they spoke about how they were tracking her by the pings of her cell and there was at one point that they could not tell where she was at due to the fact her phone was off or had went dead.
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Right,You’d have to live on pluto not to have heard that!Wait,I may be wrong,they probably heard it too……jmo No pun intended,Thats just a fact!
Thats right CathyJo. There is nothing more for the masses to read.. It also doesnt hurt to rehash. Sometimes things that were right in front of you that was missed will jump out, or somebody could say it just a certain way that makes much more sense. Process of deduction always works, but with this group, there’s not much to deduct. Most of them have some dog in this, if they didn’t, they’d keep it zipped.
Looking,IMO..the truth is what they don’t want us to know so it’s hidden somewhere in what we do have,right? jmo
I went through the early articles from AH and all I can find is in comments regarding Ron taking the donation money. Commenters repeating what other people were posting on other websites, most likely WS. So I guess I will stand on that info coming from locals working in the Crystal camp putting out false info.
Maybe I will be able to find this elderly gentleman giving a statement to somebody that he witnessed it.
Wow, over 1300 comments! That is a lot to dig through here. Wish we had a new thread!
LadyDay said,in July 8th, 2010 at 12:39 pm Why would any family member worry about a phone being tapped if they were not directly involved in something? The CS group was too far away to be involved, ok. So why worry about any phone? Again, it makes no sense.
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Thats exactly what I’m saying,I’d hope they were incase the kidnapper called me? lol jmo
The gossip has kept it going the whole time,God knows the truth didn’t?? jmo
Hint,Hint,LB! LOL
CJ,
It would fill up too LB,once our feathers get ruffled,course mine don’t have to ruffle for mine to fill it up,Guess I just got a big ole mouff!
Lady Day I do not remember if Crystal and her family were worried about their phones being tapped, but Misty was.
WhyLie I responded as to why I believed the story at the convient store on my 12:23pm post.
Haleigh Cummings Update: Timeline Improving?
Posted on September 3rd, 2009
by Simon Barrett in crime
Read 4,213 times.
This just in from our friend TJ Hart. There is no doubt in my mind that this case is now moving into the home stretch. At long last the timeline is becoming clearer on what happened on the evening of February 10th. Little by little it is becoming clearer. This is breaking news, please excuse any typos, we are just trying to get the information out as fast as we can – Simon
There is some new information coming out pertaining to the timeline regarding the disappearance of 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma who was taken from her home February 9, 2009.
News Talk 97.3 The SKY has learned the following information from several highly credible sources close to the investigation:
· Haleigh’s father Ronald Cummings had a fight with then-babysitter–now-bride Misty Croslin-Cummings at about 8:30 the night the child was abducted. That fight took place over the phone while Cummings was at his job at PDM near Palataka, FL.
· Ronald’s work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.
· News Talk 97.3 The SKY hopes to get more information regarding Ronald and Misty’s phone records shortly.
TJ Hart
http://www.bloggernews.net/122108
there’s more I’ve posted before that says Ron was at work his whole shift but not in the mood to look them up again. I don’t know why people are still saying he wasn’t.
looking for Justice said,in July 8th, 2010 at 12:41 pm You said: “I feel if we stop discussing everything related to Haleighs disappearance the pressure to find out what happened to this beautiful angel will cease.JMO”
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Generally, I agree with that lfj. But if “everything that is discussed” is mostly ways to put the blame on Ron, which it appears to be, then what I’m concerned about is when R is sentenced to 15 – god knows how many years – people will say he got his just desserts and move on. Case solved. And THAT I do not agree with.
Also, it can only do good – no harm – to recognize something as unconfirmed or rumor rather than let it slip into general understanding as if it’s fact.
lfj – yes they were.
KP said so in her response to the bar complaint which CJ copied and pasted above.
CathyJo63 said,
in July 7th, 2010 at 12:08 am
“….They (Crystal and her family) firmly believed that the family’s telephones and homes were being wire tapped, and that they were under surveillance by authorities, the media, and the Cummings family…”
Honestly, m2c, until this case is solved some will think she is alive and well with the maternal side and they got away with it or the ones jailed on Drug charges got their desserts. I feel if this happens then Haleigh will never get the Justice she deserves.jmo
looking for Justice said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Sorry I had stepped away for a minute. I agree just because someone says something doeasn’t mean it is gospel. I do believe the person that gave me the story on the convient store with the old man because he was there and I heard it from him, before AH ever reported it. It is in my opinion that here has been alot of rumors in this case that has taken the spotlight off of Haleigh.
It is like the statement Crystal made that she birthed them she shpould not have to pay support. When Vaq stated that here on the board I knew it was the truth, because I had already heard that same exact statement from friends that were involved in the search.jmo
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What did I state? LOL
M2c I am not sure what you are referencing to as to yes they were. Can you please clarify?
Ronald is the only one who is Haleighs “Father” is why he’s suspected…like for instance he goes right to defending her though he doesn’t know,he was at werk!
He stands by her side while Misty attempts to explain why she was forced or duped to take the tests and that she didn’t actually fail at all. When he’s asked something he has an odd expression (IMO) and agrees that Misty doesn’t have any information that could help find Haleigh. How does he know that? He has allegedly said he himself has information that shows Misty was lying (beds being made and the laundry detergent), so if she’s lying about that she could be lying about having information.
Also the whole back-lash type reaction (It’s all TM’s fault, he shouldn’t have done any tests, he’s a trickster) is even weird since it was also reported that TM got involved by TN’s request, on behalf of the Cummings family.
Thats why I suspect him! jmo
Vaq, you had stated before here on one of the threads sometime back that Crystal made a comment ” that she birthed the children she should not have to support them( meaning child support) Or at least I thought it was you, if I was mistaken then I apologize.
CathyJo I agree with your post and that voice mail from TN to TM is still available to listen to.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent…cummings-.html
Is it just me, or is this an odd statement from Haleigh’s dad?
“I believe God will deliver daddy’s little girl, Haleigh, home — whether it’s home to me or home to him, God will deliver her home,” Cummings told reporter Janet Shamlian in Satsuma.
respectfully snipped*
Getting down on one knee to propose in the middle of Chili’s on a Saturday night (restaurant was probably quite busy) is equivalent to broadcasting it imo. I’m sure plenty of patrons (if not all) knew it was Ron and his family there. Small town, everybody knows each other.
They did it in public– they had to know it would spark attention.
Says he will kill whoever abducted his daughter.
- But if he wanted to find his daughter so bad, why did he hang up the phone on the 911 operator, but yet threaten to call 911 after Geraldo Rivera asks him tough questions?
- He even tells Croslin to “hang up the f****** phone, we got better people to talk to.” Why not cooperate with the operator who is trying to get crucial information and assist you in finding your missing child?
During an interview with Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel, when Greta was questioning both Cummings and Croslin, Cummings covered his microphone and whispered something to Croslin such as “look at the camera.”
such as “look at the camera.”
- Why is he worried about that? In an NBC Today Show interview he looks away from the camera when asked to give a plea to whoever may have Haleigh.
- During the same interview with Fox News, he says that both he and Croslin passed their polygraphs. It was later revealed that she failed that polygraph. Why would he state she passed if he did not know? Should we also doubt the fact that Ronald passed his polygraph as well?
-Cummings also reveals that the beds that Croslin and the two children sleep in, were made up and it appeared as if nobody went to bed. Yet he continued to defend Misty, despite the fact that she obviously lied about putting Haleigh to bed.
In an NBC Today interview, Ronald is asked about what he thinks happened the night Haleigh vanished.
- He acts odd, his shoulders go up and he nonchalantly says that he doesn’t know, and he puts an emphasis on the fact that he was at work. It seemed as if he was annoyed and tired of answering that question. He was not acting as if he was concerned about his missing daughter.
- In the same interview he was asked about a statement that his son made, that a man with squeaky shoes abducted Haleigh. He immediately does his infamous shrug, says its “garbage” and then resorts back to the “I was at work” answer and backtracks saying he doesn’t know for sure if it is true. Again not concerned about whether it could be true.
- Also in the interview he again brings up the polygraph saying they both passed, defending Misty for walking out of a meeting with the police, where the police accused her of lying. Why the defense of Misty?
Why marry a teenager, who you’ve only known for 4 months while your daughter has been missing only a little over a month?
He complained to NBC’s “Today” host Meredith Vieira that the attention was on his wedding, and he wanted it back on Haleigh.
- Yet he is the one who choose to get married in the midst of the investigation.
- He even allowed NBC News to film his wedding and film him celebrating while his daughter was missing.
- When asked about the timing he said it was “nobodys business” but yet he let NBC film it and gave Exclusive rights to the Today Show. Was he paid for his “exclusive”?
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IMVHO These are not actions of a Father!
Got a bad habit of not writing down or remembering a link after I read some info on this, but last night I came across old news and I believe the complaint against KP by CS and MG. Didn’t get to far on that, anyway, what I gleaned from 2 different sites was interesting RE MG. apparently she did go out of her way to stir the pot. I knew she interferred, but not to the extent I read about. Who does that when faced with a missing granddaughter? Anyway, I did read it was CS and MG who said something about the phones being tapped. Once again, true or not true, no clue. I would imagine it was true only because usually LE, FBI will leave no stone unturned, especially when so many lies and deceipt are going around. There was enough cause to tap a lot of them, and they might still be doing it. Never know.
I should have clarified my statement about what AH said. I was trying to say it’s fine and dandy that they got arrested for drug trafficking BUT Why wasn’t anyone charged with child endangerment in the beginning? not only for Haleigh, but for Jr. as well. Why did they have to wait all that time and excuse me, think up something else to trip them up on? People knew good and well what Ronald and Misty were doing, we all had seen it, Geraldo nailed it, but here sits a little boy, around the drug stuff going on after the fact and nobodys going to do anything until a drug sting is set up?
and these were seen by all of us! It’s not hearsay! jmo
can we move to this article, it only has 134 posts and this one is taking forever to refresh and for posts to post.
http://www.bloggernews.net/124850
sorry I don’t remember posting that in fact today is the first time I heard it unless I’ve completely lost my mind. LOL No need to apologize
lfj – Sorry. I left out the reference to your post that I was responding to. It was:
July 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Lady Day I do not remember if Crystal and her family were worried about their phones being tapped, but Misty was.
Instead of searching for his daughter, or raising money for a search, or trying to spread information about her to help find her, he is dealing drugs with his ex wife who police say holds the key to the case.
Misty says in an interview on NBC’s Today, that the night Haleigh went missing that she called Ronald on his cell phone right before he pulled in the driveway to tell him about Haleigh vanishing.
- But Ronald tells police that he was “shocked” that she was still up when he got home, because they are usually in bed. As if he was wondering why she was up.
- Why would he be “shocked” if Misty had called him before he got home? He would have already known why she was up if she had called.
- Ronald even confirmed Misty’s story in that same interview on the Today Show.
Ronald wants us to believe that he wants to find his child, and that he will kill whoever abducted her.
- But in an interview with HLN’s Nancy Grace, when he was asked about why Misty choose to not go to the bathroom closest to where she was sleeping, but go to one in the hallway. (Because of her story that she got up to use the bathroom the night Haleigh vanished) He said he did not know, and he had not asked Misty about it.
- Why not? If he wanted to find his daughter so bad?
The only time he gets emotional is not about the fact that his daughter is missing, but when he learns that his ex girlfriend and the mother of Haleigh could be mounting a custody battle with him. He seems more concerned about himself, and protecting his reputation instead of finding Haleigh.
In an interview on HLN’s Nancy Grace he lambasted the mother of Haleigh, saying during their custody fight for Haleigh that she “lawyered up.”
- But yet he hires a CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY Terry Shoemaker to represent him, after both he and Misty stated that lawyers were “for guilty people.”
Also in an interview with HLN’s Nancy Grace when asked about the theory of whether Misty had not been at the mobile home the night Haleigh vanished was true, he says that it has been disproved.
- But on the 1-year-anniversary of Haleigh’s disappearance the police ask the public for any information about Misty’s whereabouts that night and in the early morning hours.
If it has been disproved why would police ask the public for information about where she had been? Why would Ronald lie about that? Why defend Misty?
In an interview with Nancy Grace, after he divorced Croslin in October, she introduced Ronald as someone not afraid to answer questions.
- But Ronald said his reasoning for divorcing Croslin was because he and Croslin couldn’t go anywhere without “being questioned.” Which is it? is he afraid of answering questions or not?
- Grace also said in her introduction to Cummings that he was not afraid of the limelight, but yet he also says he divorced Croslin because people were “staring at them.”
Grace tried her best to get Cummings to admit during the interview that the reason he divorced Cummings was because he suspected her of his daughters disappearance.
- But Cummings refused to take the bait. Could it be that if he admits her guilt, he is afraid Misty could spill the beans about his possible involvement?
I don’t know about you guy’s,but I have never seen a father go to the lenghts he has not to find their child! jmo,Thats not just one error,thats tons! and we seen them ourselves!
Thank you m2c for the clarification. I could not remember.
LadyDay iagree with your 1:17pm post.
Will be back later. I just got company.
looking for Justice said,in July 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Honestly, m2c, until this case is solved some will think she is alive and well with the maternal side and they got away with it or the ones jailed on Drug charges got their desserts. I feel if this happens then Haleigh will never get the Justice she deserves.jmo
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I agree. What puzzles me is why anyone has to make up their mind at this point or even keep advocating their favorite theory. We don’t have any evidence about what happened to Haleigh. It’s everyone’s right, of course. I’m just worried, as I said, that some will believe R is in jail for Haleigh rather than drugs.
In fact that thought was floated the other day – that LE wouldn’t let R plead out or he would get a long sentence on the drugs supposedly because LE thinks he’s involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.
I was horrified.
We have had no indication at all that I know of that LE suspects R and it would be a travesty of justice for sure if someone got a long sentence for one crime because he was suspected of another. Just more “grist” for advocates of the “R is guilty so we can wash our hands of this case as soon as he’s sentenced” mentality.
Yes, CathyJo, Ronald was paid for the Exclusives. I wouldn’t doubt that CNN paid for the sequences on NG show either. I’m sure it was not a large amount, but large to him. They do it to get a story and to not be sued at a later date, contractual consent. I can almost bet he married her to avoid going to jail on stat rape, doesn’t matter if she was willing. IMO, had nothing to do with the rule of cannot testify against your spouse. Once again he got out of his mess. This time wont be so easy and if he walks or gets a lighter sentence than say Donna Brock, you bet people will be beyond angry.
LadyDay said,in July 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
LadyDay,I think the other side saw mega dollar signs and saw the opportunity to make them! jmo
Right Lady!
If not for all the things i put together,well snipped,lol that we ourselves saw in Ron,He’d be the last suspect for me,but when I started thinking about all that and put them on one page,I am sorry but that is one hello of a defense he took for Misty against his own child?
Speaks for itself,and those are only a few of them!
Misty is not Haleighs father,Tn isn’t either,Only Ron and theres no way in hello I can sit back and honestly say Ron is innocent,he slowed the entire thing down by his actions………His being Haleighs Dad!jmvho
When he should have been the one DEMANDING answers!
I don’t know how I’d take my dad doing all that? but it sure wouldn’t be good! jmo
Of course they did, CathyJo. Supposedly MS. is trying to secure a tv movie deal. Did he forget there is another set of grandparents that could probably sue him for infringement, not to mention Ron? I can see why KP set up a foundation or tried to. On one hand Ronald was getting the monies from not only the donation jars, but also the account at BofA set up for Haleigh. This should have been a combined charity to support only the parents-no matter what their addiction was. Somebody should have been overseeing and combining it together for the benefit of finding Haleigh. It’s not for grandma and not for the divorced grandpa or for soon to be ex wife or sister-in-law who moved out of town. Some of what I call ‘the outsiders’, meaning family members thru marriage went on outrageous beg-a-thons, right down to iphones and laptop computers, then what happens, that well dried up and somebody labled another bountyhunter-lets say somewhat questionable. Do I believe that? Hmm on the fence. Only because any LE can use any tactic when they go on a digging expedition. these family members think this is a joke and just a way to make fast cash. Dense!
What happened to Haleigh? Where is she?
Divorced grandpa? Who is getting divorced?
I believe, according to KP, it was Crystal’s side of the family that was fighting over donations, of who was getting what money.
The BOA account that was set up could only be used for Ron and Jr’s living expenses. Every dime spent from that account had to be accounted for, and had to be authorized. It could not be used for Crystal and her needs because of Florida law. It was not to pay for searches, etc. Florida law is very explicit at what the funds in the Trust could and could not be used for.
sorry,Had a call! shew
WhyLie,thats true too,They sure were fighting over it,Its a shame!
WhyLie said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
I believe, according to KP, it was Crystal’s side of the family that was fighting over donations, of who was getting what money.
The BOA account that was set up could only be used for Ron and Jr’s living expenses. Every dime spent from that account had to be accounted for, and had to be authorized. It could not be used for Crystal and her needs because of Florida law. It was not to pay for searches, etc. Florida law is very explicit at what the funds in the Trust could and could not be used for.
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That’s true and Jamie Watts tried to set it up in both parents name and couldn’t legally do it. Jamie had to have receipts to reimburse Ron for the money. Also Jamie said there was only around 5K in donation money.
m2c@1:27pm. I understand you completely. They advocate their favorite theory because that is what they truely believe in their hearts.
You and I have discussed this before. We want the right perps to be held accountable.
Ron has bought alot of this upon himself due to his own behavior throughout Haleighs disappearance. It took me awhile to even suspect him, but he has left me other choice due to his actions. jmo
lfj @ 2:56 pm
I agree that some of what Ron said makes him look like a bad guy. But not a murderer. I haven’t even heard a reasonable theory or motive or means or anything for whatever he’s supposed to have done. Also, some of what he’s quoted as saying has been taken out of context. In other words, the reason he said it has been left out. Plus there are the rumors. So I can’t judge guilt based on “talk” of any kind unless it’s an outright confession of course.
CathyJo63 – Well, if you want to say that R slowed things down, then I think we’d have to say the G/S crowd thoroughly derailed the investigation. IMO
I wonder what their motive was? Greed? The heck with Haleigh, let’s go for the money? Or deception? Throw the blame on R? It’s sure worked out well for them.
I am sorry, I should have just said MS. That would be the divorced grandpa. Or was MS and MG married? Does it matter, no. If I misspoke, I apologize.
All the fighting, name calling, other issues wasn’t important. What was important was trying to find out what happened to Haleigh, who took her and for what reason. Not the money, not getting cars or extra things. I do think Cobra was on the right track, but then too many people got involved and everybody went crazy. Never been through anything like that myself, hope I never have to, but I just never have seen people react in such a violent and disrespectful way over a missing little human being. Maybe I am wrong, but since Ron had custody by whatever means, I don’t think CS and Co. had the right to go after donations. It might have been her child as well, but according to reports, she wasn’t very concerned until all this happened. She didn’t even get her butt down to where all this was going on until many hours after the phone call. Sorry, no excuse unless she had major surgery. If it was a question of needing a ride, she could have called her local LE or a news outlet, they would have been happy to help her. Very strange reactions, not only by her, but others as well.
That is true m2c. I am not saying he is a murderer,but he is a suspect in my mind.jmo
CathyJo 63 – Kyron’s father didn’t beat up, interrogate or desert his wife, Terri, when Kyron went missing. He eventually separated from her because of what police had discovered. So does that make HIM the bad dad? Slowing down the investigation? Or even responsible himself?
Not to me.
M2C, What you said at the end of your last post is, to me, acceptable and accurate-Deception. For me, one of the things goes back to the so called evidence found by who? Regan and he called Cobra and then etc. Why would somebody go out of their way to do that under normal circumstances? They wouldnt. Another deception was when CS was on NG, one where I think she was by herself. She looked like she was trying to cover a giggle before she tried to cry, before she started in pointing fingers. Didnt wash for me.
lfj @ 3:17
R and a lot of other people are suspects to me and will remain so until some evidence is found.
It doesn’t seem I made myself clear I said:
“All Ronald had to do was leave his phone laying at werk, TN didn’t have to help him.
I don’t feel like Ronald reads the news so I can’t see that he would know a cell can be tracked even if you are not using it. I think some people are giving him way too much credit for knowing anything about cell tower pings.”
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My cell phone could be laying on my desk all day and if someone checked it would APPEAR that I was at work all day and/or night. I did NOT say he was not aware of Casey Anthony, I said he is not too smart and he probably didn’t hang onto every word printed about the case like some people have. Ronald was too busy with drugs and young girls to read the paper.
Some posters here don’t read what others write or perhaps do read it, but don’t understand the words because they are too busy typing useless stuff like “my phone is ringing”, etc.
Hi, LadyDay! Yes. I’m not very happy with just about anybody in this mess including LE so far.
I just keep thinking of all those cases where it “looked” like a certain person did it and that person was suspected and villified for years and it turned out NOT to be them.
m2c, I agree with you again. I believe R is a suspect as well as a few others. I remain hopeful that LE can get to the bottom of this case and make the appropiate charges in order to give haleigh Justice.
My comment went directly to “tapping”.
LadyonaMission:
The other thing is IF anyone was following the KC Anthony case they should also know that KC was arrested one day after the 911 call for LYING to the police. I’d think better lies would have been thought up.
If the Anthony’s served as any example it would be “how to make money off a missing child” and the G/S’s set the speed record on that.
m2c said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
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I agree, and just which side of the family had the “connections” with the Anthony case? CS’s side, of course.
Ladyonamission, it has been reported in the media that Ronald was making continuous calls that night and when those calls were made the phone pinged the location of his place of employment at the time these calls were made. It was either Ron making those calls or someone was doing it for him. I think this is how things may have got confused. jmo
What I wonder is, why would someone try to call someone all night long who is trying to sleep? If he assumed Misty was asleep and the kids were asleep, why would he try to wake them. Why did he assume something was wrong?
Hi, Little Bear! It’s an assumption that R assumed something was wrong! LOL! THAT’S what’s wrong!
There are other reasons he could have called. As I understand it, he and M had an arguement and I’ve known lots of couples in the same situation – one will refuse to answer the phone and the other keeps trying to get them. In this case, M could have been in the “I’m not speaking to you” mode and he was in the “answer the GD phone” mode. Not uncommon between couples. And it does NOT indicate that one’s children are in danger either.
R may have come to think that M had gone out so he called T to see if M was there. R may not have even asked T to check out the MH but sneaky thief snoopy nosed T could have done that on his own. Just a possibility.
What a great place of employment to allow him to be on the phone all night long! LOL
Little Bear, supposedly he made 20 calls. When no one is answering or it’s going straight to voice mail, that can be done inside a few minutes on a break and/or at lunch/dinner. We don’t know the time span over which those calls were made. I think the only thing we know is that he called T around 9:30 to see if M was at his house.
m2c said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
I think the only thing we know is that he called T around 9:30 to see if M was at his house.
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Ahhhh, but we don’t actually really even know that. Would have to see the phone records to know if he ever called T, what time the call was made and then we still would not know why he called T.
Right, LadySadie. I used the word “know” kind of wrong because I think LE said that was part of T’s story about getting the call and that he went to the MH. But it could have been totally fabricated.
Well,M2 all I know is what i see,and i make my judgements from that,but i do know its not gossip when it comes to Ron,because I sat and watched it with my own eyes! JMO still
LoL LB,True!
Ladyonamission said,in July 8th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
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And it does,I am not lying,lol
We each have our opinions and some who don’t agree and get bent out of shape,its only my opinion,lol
m2c said,in July 8th, 2010 at 3:15 pm CathyJo63 – Well, if you want to say that R slowed things down, then I think we’d have to say the G/S crowd thoroughly derailed the investigation. IMO
I wonder what their motive was? Greed? The heck with Haleigh, let’s go for the money? Or deception? Throw the blame on R? It’s sure worked out well for them.
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You might can ignore all the things he did,but I don’t,It’s in b/w…..its your opinion and I have my version of the same events but i saw it myself and drew my own conclusion! thats it!
I never said he was a murderer m2,Don’t put words in my mouth? I have few theories but don’t make him a murderer,I know exactly what a murderer is!
But ya don’t defend the babysitter you’ve known for 4 months,unless you know something! jmo
looking for Justice said,in July 8th, 2010 at 2:56 pm m2c@1:27pm. I understand you completely. They advocate their favorite theory because that is what they truely believe in their hearts.
You and I have discussed this before. We want the right perps to be held accountable.
Ron has bought alot of this upon himself due to his own behavior throughout Haleighs disappearance. It took me awhile to even suspect him, but he has left me other choice due to his actions. jmo
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ITA!
BTW,Its cruel to say someones words are useless! jmo Maybe ya need a break?
You (meaning Ron) defend her if you believe she is telling you the truth. If you believe she had nothing to do with it.
We see people on here who have never met Misty, never laid eyes on her, never spoken to her, and they defend her. They believe she had nothing to do with whatever happened to Haleigh. Why wouldn’t Ron believe her. She always took care of the kids, the kids love her, she had done nothing to give him any reason to not believe her and what she was telling him.
And obviously LE didn’t give Ron any reason not to believe her, even after hour upon hour of questioning and a LDT. If there was some reason to doubt her, wouldn’t LE tell Ron?
seems that lyndsy has a stalker on her utube page..
From: LindsyLPN | June 25, 2010 | 127 views Loading…This sicko is asking about my panties and if I want to get drunk with him…
Xfiles said,in January 10th, 2010 at 2:25 pm I’ll be tuning in………CJ is friends with Levi on his MySpace?
Vaquera said,in January 10th, 2010 at 2:33 pm Apparently so.
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I was looking for the post Looking,sorry
But i came across these I never saw,
CJ Does not know Levi nor do i blog any other place and I have a myspace but have never been back since i only created it during I believe Caylees case,TY! just so ya know Vaq!
Vaquera said,in January 10th, 2010 at 1:55 pm Tobias said,
in January 10th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
I would like to hear CJs side of whats going on, does anyone wonder why he hasnt made a call in? Or was he told not to discuss the incident? Since he filed the charges. just curious.
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Guess you can ask Levi, Tobias, since they are friends on Myspace maybe he’s talking to him via MSmail.
No charges have been made,TJ said the state’s atty is deciding if charges will be filed or not. Kind of like the rat thing Ron was never charged with anything on.
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HMMMMM,See,I guess some do make up stuff as they go! You’re wrong,
Whos friends Vaq???
Sorry If I’m wrong but incase Im not!
WhyLie,my reason is I did suspect her till he defended her! then I had no choice but to wonder why,lol
gee wizz OJ,she has begged for one!
CJ, you’re not the CJ referred to in that post, if that is what you are thinking.
good,I thought of that too,was making sure,dang sure,lol Why i said soerry if i’m wrong,lol gets old being told youre silly and attacked for your opinions,infact i am gonna go sit in da corner and cry! LoL i AM SORRY
After Daphna,I watch my back!
i ran upon it tho looking for crystals reason for not paying child support!
I forgot about Char Jones!
comment was deleted and the other two were as well. I don’t know who FawnLily is but I am showing them the door. If you know anything about CathyJo to think you can leave these kind of comments after my firm warning then I guess you didn’t believe me as well. As of now you are banned from here
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
Nah,FawnLily,I wondered where ya went!
LoL Thats why I expect it!
New article is up
WOW OJ!
CathyJo what you said was:
July 8th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Misty is not Haleighs father,Tn isn’t either,Only Ron and theres no way in hello I can sit back and honestly say Ron is innocent,he slowed the entire thing down by his actions………His being Haleighs Dad!jmvho
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If he’s not innocent, then what is he?
I thought you were saying he was guilty of involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance.
And it was in my conversation with lfj @ 3:09 that the word murderer came up (in relation to her post at 2:56)
LadieSadie, Rons lawyer, Shoemaker said that Ron called Tommy at 9:00pm on the 9th of Feb. He stated this on NG. We do not know the actual conversation. Tommy said Ron wanted him to check on Misty because he had been calling her and he could not reach her. Ron said on NG that he called Tommy and just asked if Misty was there at his home.
m2c my 2:56pm post does not mention anything about murder. I did state prior that I cannot say he is a murderer, but I do see him as a suspect. I believe he knows what happened to his daughter, but that does not mean he actually committed himself; it could be indirect involvement.jmo
Charles Jones was interviewed by Levi Page on one of his shows after the road rage. Levi also stated on JVM after the wrrest during the search at Shell Harbour that Charles Jones stated that Misty told him the drug people have Haleigh.
oops arrest
LOL, lfj, doing your Elmer Fudd impression?
LOL!! Ladiesadie
CathyJo63 said,
in July 8th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Xfiles said,in January 10th, 2010 at 2:25 pm I’ll be tuning in………CJ is friends with Levi on his MySpace?
Vaquera said,in January 10th, 2010 at 2:33 pm Apparently so.
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I was looking for the post Looking,sorry
But i came across these I never saw,
CJ Does not know Levi nor do i blog any other place and I have a myspace but have never been back since i only created it during I believe Caylees case,TY! just so ya know Vaq!
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If I were talking about you I would say CathyJo, if you would have read the whole thread or wherever you copied that from since you never link anything like Jan asked us do not long ago I am sure we were talking about Charlie Jones.
looking for Justice said,in July 8th, 2010 at 5:47 pm m2c my 2:56pm post does not mention anything about murder. I did state prior that I cannot say he is a murderer,”
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Yes, lfj. I was just trying to tell CathyJo that the word murderer came up in a conversation between you and me and had no relation to her. Sorry I got the time of our posts about that wrong.
CathyJo – @ 4:45 I don’t know who or what post you are referring to.
And @ 4:49
My post at 3:15 pm said nothing about me ignoring anything about R.
And I don’t know what post you’re referring to @ 4:55.
Thank you m2c for clearing that up for me.
Well, I’ve only gotten about one quarter through the posts above in my attempt to catch up with things, so please excuse me if I say something someone else did or say something dumb. There is so much stuff floating around in my head about this that I am having to try very hard to keep it all together and I will try not to ramble.
One of the things being discussed was about family resemblances. I agree with those who say that Haleigh looks like a cross between Crystal and Teresa. But then I started thinking about my initial impressions when I looked at some of the photos of people connected to the case that were out on the internet. For instance, I kept coming across a picture of a young man that I thought was Greg Page and it was actually Joe Overstreet. I kept thinking “This guy looks like he might be a half-brother or cousin of Ronald.” There were several things like that that happened, out of the blue, without any preconceived notion on my part. But maybe it does not seem so very strange that this would happen, when one remembers that these families are supposed to be all related to each other.
It has been said that photographs do not lie. I agree, but I think it goes beyond that. They can tell us a lot more than just what seems to be there. I had an experience when I went through my mother’s box of family photos that was very unusual. They told me some things she didn’t want me to know! Another example is what happened when I watched a documentary about the woman who claimed to be the long-lost Russian princess, Anastasia. There was a photo of the Princess that had been taken when she was about seven and by sheer luck it would seem, the primitive old camera had caught what people who had known her had described as her sudden, swift smile. When they interviewed this old woman, she suddenly smiled, and I just knew it was her (or her twin). Funny how with some older people you can see the child that they were. Anyway, no matter which set of experts was called to forensically examine the photos, comparing the ears, etc., (and there were some arguing for both sides), I had made up my mind! And I didn’t change it, either. Of course, I could be wrong, but in the incident with my mother’s family photos, I had more to go on, and I knew I wasn’t wrong. But people might still wonder how I made that intuitive leap simply from the photos.
Now, I happen to lean toward the idea that Crystal was very much in love with Ron and I don’t really think anyone but Ron is Haleigh’s father. I really hope she’s not reading these blogs. I think she’ been through enough. I hope she will get some closure — soon.
But objectively speaking, you have to admit anything could be possible with all these families related. I don’t recall, though, if Teresa’s family is related to the others, and I am sure someone might know that but I don’t have the energy or means to pursue it right now.
I have seen cases in my own family where nieces and nephews looked more like the aunts and uncles than the children of said aunts and uncles did! And we did not have marrying of cousins of any degree in my family. My youngest looks a great deal like one of his forbears about four generations back on my father’s side, AND somehow manages to look like my great-grandfather on my mother’s side. Something about the eyes. It’ amazing how these things combine, as we all know.
If a family has secrets, they had better keep the photos locked up, if they have a perceptive child. Because in my case, all the dots connected at once about a certain situation when I went through the photos.
Now, I ask myself, what is it that made me think, from the beginning that Haleigh was a psychologically perceptive child? I realize, it must have been the photos floating around the internet. And then when I heard that they called her, Little Mama, that really clinched it.
It makes more sense to me, psychologically, that Haleigh could have found out something she wan’t supposed to know about. Kids do blab.
I tend to agree with those who think that Ronald is not the type of man to voluntarily do such an altruistic thing as to raise another man’s child. He just doesn’t seem like the type. There would be some other motivation, in my opinion. I think he was probably doing contortions patting himself on the back about getting the kids away from Crystal. No, IF Haleigh was not his kid, I don’t think he would have known about it. (Notice I am saying IF and this is purely theoretical.) Remember “I just want my kids”?
To me, a theory has to be tossed if it can’t explain Ronald’s statements and behavior. Of course, it’s possible that statement could have been staged! But I’m out of tin foil today. It certainly seems like it was a slip of the tongue, but I think many of us conclude that Ronald is a pretty good actor.
All things considered, the only thing that would make sense to me, if Haleigh wasn’t Ronald’s, was that he had no idea. I don’t think anyone was paying him or dispensing some sort of favor or advantage for keeping Haleigh. There are a couple of ideas nagging in the back of my mind (in this case, my imagination), in this regard, but at this point, I don’t see how they could possibly work. So far, I always come back to my same old theory. I think they have the right bunch in jail, and those three all had something to do with whatever happened.
I suppose it could make sense that if someone was in love with Crystal, and mad at Ronald for hurting her, they could have taken Haleigh. But if he’s offended “powers that be”, that wouldn’t explain Ronald’s “skating,” would it? And why would that infamous jailhouse bunch have spent the few precious hours they had trying to stage a cover-up the way they did? (Otherwise the whole thing was planned in advance, but it looks to me like they simply ran out of time.) Wouldn’t it have made much more sense to simply tell the truth? Horses before zebras. And why put the girl through so much hell? Why? It seems like it makes more sense that it was a case of, well, Haleigh’s gone and I can’t do anything about it, but I’m not going to lose Junior.
Maybe it was something else that Cobra said or did about the same time that stepped on some pretty important toes?
Just my opinion.
I wonder if Crystal knew that Ron was seeking to establish paternity as a preliminary to filing for custody?
Lisa said,in July 5th, 2010 at 8:20 pm If Haleigh was not Ron’s child Crystal would have brought that up in the custody case.
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I don’t see it that way. Even if that were the case, Ron not the father, etc., I can think of any number of reasons she might not have said anything. But most of them would involve giving her a good character! Or at least, not painting her as the Wicked Witch of the West. Which idea some are obviously not willing to entertain.
This whole thing is ridiculous. But if you want to go in that direction, try to stay neutral. Try challenging you assumptions!
Native Texan said,in July 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm I have a question for all. Who was the young man who showed up at Ronald Cummings tent that he was camping in shortly after Haleigh’s disappearance while LE had the MH taped off and was investigating? This young man was very upset/fuming that Haleigh was gone and went straight to Cummings and almost punched him and wanted to know what he (Cummings) had done with Haleigh. Wasn’t this the individual who thought he was Haleigh’s father? Crystal certainly didn’t have much to say about it! But this young man obviously must have had some kind of encounter with her to lead him to believe he could be Haleigh’s father.
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I guess you are assuming that because he (obviously) cared about Crystal and Haleigh, didn’t like (and apparently suspected) Ron, that he must have had these feelings only because he thought he was Haleigh’s father? How do you get that?
CathyJo63 said,in July 6th, 2010 at 12:53 am I think Mistys innocent too Oj,But imo she is protecting Ron….jmo
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Hi, CathyJo!
Well, it could be that Misty is not innocent and is still protecting Ron. (Or maybe just in her mind and she’s been had.) Maybe it depends on what you mean exactly by “protecting.” I don’t envy the investigators who have to try to get into these peoples’ heads.
CathyJo63 said,in July 6th, 2010 at 5:21 pm Though Jen,I do think he would do something before he’d lose custody because he was bent on being the BEST parent,No way would he lose her and have it known that maybe he wasn’t the BEST parent,see what I’m saying,LoL I don’t know if even I see it,LoL But He made that very obvious in most every video!
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CathyJo, this may be beyond your ken, outside your experience, but when a couple fights, one (or both) of the parents can use the children as pawns. Making themselves look real good. Planned photo-ops. Making the other parent look bad. REALLY bad. Pre-meditately building a case against the other parent. I know this sounds vile, but it happens, and more often than many realize. Some people are plotters. Some even very-long-range plotters.
I’m not necessarily saying that that’s what happened here,I’m just saying it happens. Even very selfish parents can enjoy their children. The test is, when the children do things they don’t like.
The question is, were the happy times depicted in the photos the norm? Was life with Daddy one big party? Was this the norm at one time, and then things suddenly changed? Sometimes parents “love” their child until the child “crosses” them. If the parent is very narcissistic–think pathologically selfish, what might seem an offense to that parent would not make sense to you or me.
And isn’t it possible that some people are not mentally or psychologically capable of understanding the difference between self-assertion and disrespect? Particularly if they have a lot of grandiosity, and have always gotten their own way?
When children reach a certain age, they start to assert their own personality. And this means they will inevitably “cross” the narcissist.
Let me give an example. My mother was supervising my coloring. I was six. (She supervised everything I did.) And I was in trouble all the time. I said, “Shall I make the dress blue or pink?” She said, very slowly and thoughtfully, (like it was a hard problem for her), that when she was my age, her mother had made identical dresses for her and my aunt; but my aunt’s was blue and hers was pink.
I said, I would want the blue one. Wrong answer. Because, if the dresses were identical in every respect except for the color, the only solution is, that pink has to be better than blue. Otherwise, there is a robotic meltdown of “That does not compute.” So, she did something very fast with her hand when I was reaching for the crayon and I cried out. My brother was watching and she probably staged it for him–like the time she had us believing the store employee had knocked her down–and the next thing you know, all hell has broken loose and I am in very big trouble with my grandparents for being “disrespectful” to my mother–and it was really all because pink had to be better than blue! I went through a lot of this kind of CRAP.
Why was Ronald making remarks about Haleigh being so *well-mannered* (and it appeared to me that ANGER was leaking out there, but again, that is of course a matter of PERCEPTION)– so soon after Haleigh went missing?
Does that seem odd to you that he would say that? It certainly struck me as being odd. But then, maybe I have my antennae out and working overtime. That is possible. I thought, your child is missing, and you are going on about how WELL-MANNERED they are? Well, that’s how it struck me. I can see how some might see it another way–now.
And maybe this is simply a very good example of how our experiences color our perceptions of other people.
And what if the child of an extreme narcissist were to decide she wanted to go stay with the other parent? Might not the parent feel BETRAYED? Ask a psychologist about the implications of such a parent’s feeling “betrayed.” I don’t have many mild examples to provide.
Just my opinion.
CathyJo, did he want to BE the best parent, or did he want everyone to THINK he was the best parent, or did he THINK he WAS the best parent, and everyone was supposed to know and acknowledge this? See, we did the park thing. See, we did the birthday thing. See, we did the toothbrushing thing. (But the rest of the time, someone else does the work.)
Again, I am pointing this idea out because there are some scenarios that many people just wouldn’t think of. Truth can be stranger than fiction.
Hi, Cathy Jo,
It occurs to me that in the post I quoted you on above, maybe you were trying to express the same idea I was about Ronald and APPEARANCES?
Just my opinion.
Oh, I just loved your post about the man in black and turning on the light. That was a gem.
OJ’s glove said,in July 6th, 2010 at 2:04 am beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 6th, 2010 at 1:48 am OJ… what DOES Misty know?
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she said all she knows.. “I woke up and haleigh was gone” thats it. She has said on the record look at the other side of the family and to check out tommy.. the other stories “put up with a knife” and such where squeezed out of her by LE torture like pressure tactics. LE wanted stories, they got them. It was LE that muddied the waters with these bogus stories that they were told to “stop the torture”.
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I can understand a young CHILD (particularly a frightened one) making up details to “explain” something they don’t understand, but a seventeen-year-old?
Maybe I’m not expressing the question in my mind very articualately, but it’s the best I can do right now. I wonder if Peter would understand what I mean and I would really be interested to hear his take on it.
alethea said,in July 19th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Maybe Misty’s behavior would be more typical of a frightened five- or six-year old’s maneuvering to get out of trouble?
JenM said,in July 7th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
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Willing to marry her? It certainly doesn’t appear that way. It has been said over and over that the parents were never married. Do you have some source to show that he wanted to get married but she didn’t? (Good luck. JMO)
If the children are going by the last name of the father and the parents were never married, it sounds like it might have been a common law situation. No, from where I sit, it looks very much like she was simply out-maneuvered about everything. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.
Just my opinion.
(Ref July 17th, 2010 at 4:14 am above.)
I keep coming back to the psychology angles and particularly the idea of “loyalty tests.” Did the headless rat business fall into this category? Could be. Of course this line of inquiry is just an idea and possibly reflects a personal bias because of my experience and it could be totally off-base.
Misty does look like she’s seen the inside of hell. The question is why.
There is a list on the internet. I believe it is called the “Psychopathy Checklist” or something to that effect. It has some 60-plus things to look for if you wonder about someone, if there are things about them that don’t seem to fit with other things.
If one of the things that doesn’t seem to fit is that the person appears to be what I would call “well-meaning” or a “well-meaning bumbler,” who “just tries so hard, doesn’t he/she?” but there is always some kind of trouble around — I would say, go hire a GOOD psychologist to help you figure it out. That for me is the biggest red flag (based on my experience.) The second red flag (in my opinion) is where the person NEVER does their own work, but seems to get a whole lot of the credit–if not all of it. They usually have (at least) a small army of defenders, unfortunately.
I do not personally know any of these people in this case. But I do believe that people who go on and on about how they aren’t going to have damaged teeth like the rest of the mere mortals, and the cleanliness of the laundry in the jail, etc., and suddenly begin acting racist when their closest acquaintances (e.g. an “ex”), would not have believed it,–I would definitely think should be looked at in light of this list.
I was definitely paying attention to what Peter said on one of the recent Sunday shows. He is absolutely right about anyone who is willing to actively frame up or pin a crime on the innocent. I would definitely feel tempted to put in the same category anyone who would go along with such a thing, whether out of self-delusion or wishful thinking. It is probably actually a matter of personal convenience in such cases. Sometimes it might I think be some severe psychological disorder involving enormous quantities of denial, but it usually boils down to convenience. And the thing is, when you get into a situation much later, where the question is asked: “Who knew what and when did they know it”…. Later is worse. Especially for “enablers.”
The willingness to frame someone up, or let someone else pay for one’s own sins, is an issue of how “depraved” a person is. There is a Depravity Scale by Dr. Michael Welner with a chart about the different behaviors that I believe was developed in an effort to make uniform sentencing guidelines. It is, however, a little difficult for the layperson and could be susceptible to misuse from terms not being understood correctly. But just looking at it is an encouragement to the hope that someday there will be better assessment of exactly what a criminal deserves, and no more weird sentences of five years when they should get fifty, and fifty when they should get five. And maybe, no more nice rubber room when what they really deserve is a cold, hard jailhouse floor.
Now, whether or not any of this actually applies to anyone in this case and has any DIRECT connection to Haleigh’s disappearance is of course another issue. These are just ideas that MIGHT apply, and should be considered in a lot of cases, and this is, of course, just my opinion.
And now, I think I’ll go read some Faulkner.
Correction. The list I referred to above is actually entitled “Strange Psychopathic and Narcissistic Behaviours.”
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