I know I don’t have to call out who the three are but I would like you three to know you are to blame for this. None of you would let the original argument go, which by the way was ridiculous to begin with. I have told you all dozens of time that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you insist on having it your way and now thanks to that everyone else is going to have to suffer from it.

The other threads will still be open but I am warning you right now, if you go to another thread and carry this feud with you then you will be banned no matter how many others will disagree with me. So think of this as a new beginning if you still want to participate in the discussions. Mo more fighting will be allowed. I want BNN to be a comfortable place for everyone to discuss things but some seem to be determined to keep that from happening.

EVERYONE is welcome to post comments here, they are welcome to voice their opinions even if no one else agrees. PLEASE remember this when you want to disagree, which can be done in a civil way though.

Once again I apologize to the innocent ones for having to do this.

Jan Barrett - BNN Editor

mlee, the Alachua County Civil Court records show that T. Neves, auto accident was closed in Jan. It doesn’t show if she received a settlement or not. The driver was fighting the case and after some depositions were taken the case was “closed”. Maybe she did receive a settlement and decided to use the money for Ron’s defense instead of for herself.
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Shoemaker is working pro bono and always has been.

ROFLMSAO! Yea did you see where she told her to get plenty of calcium and “sunshine” omg

CathyJo- yes, and it seems like Cindy is trying to tell Casey what to say. I gave LE Zanny’s Hair Straightener! Why say that in a letter? Casey was home when, during or after Cindy did or said some of these things. I still think Cindy is feeling overwhelming guilt like TN, that she did not babysit without complaining
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We don’t know for a fact TN refused to baby sit that night, that was what Misty supposedly said to Chelsea. Funny that tidbit didn’t come out till after she was put in jail.

I think when all of the truth finally comes out, all will find that ron had far more control over all three girls, crystal, amber and misty than anyone realizes..
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That could never surprise me! jmo

http://www.wftv.com/video/24121940/index.html

All I know is those words came out of Mistys mouth” That she should of listened to CS and Amber about Ronald. jmo
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And Misty lies..

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that what Art said he said,not even said it was a text msg. He is apparently his attorney for Haleigh’s case too.On the call with granny Flo Tommy wanted them to get ahold of his attorney, Werter because he had something to say which led to the dock search. So yea, Werter is his attorney for Haleigh too.

Misty even said in her jail house tapes that she should have listened to CS and Amber about Ronald. Nay Nay did repeat what Misty allegedly said happened. I do believe there is some truth to that.JMO
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Crystal didn’t know Misty

They told him he would not need an attorney, because.. they did not QUESTION him.. They talked to him.. they made comments to him.. they told him things..

Questions would cause the need for an attorney, so that you do not implicate yourself in a crime.. If NO QUESTIONS were ever ask.. no need for Miranda rights or violation of constitutional rights.

PCSO Detectives can set in an interview and repeat the entire constitution to a person, and never ask them one question. And never violated their rights.

Jan Barrett - BNN Editor

Going back through the week prior to Haleigh gone missing.. More questions come up than there are answers for.

We know that Hank Sr. claimed on video of his conversation with ron on wed night.. early Thursday morning February 4 -5th, around 1:30am, that ron called him on the phone, and ask: Is Misty at your house. and Hank responded NO.. Ron stated, I’ll go look for her. Whereas Hank Sr. said, are you gonna leave the kids home alone?? Ron stated, they’ll be okay, they’re sleeping.

Now, this opens up the door for many questions.
and the first is to answer right off the bat, do we believe or want to believe what Hank said? Answer, why would he lie about that??

Second, this fight on Thursday during the day, brings in far more questions, since Haleigh was Absent from school that Thursday, which puts her and Junior right smack in the middle of a fight, which has been told occurred, and told by family members, he did throw her out of the house, and then on his way to work, he did drop her clothes off at Tommys. And that TN did babysit the kids that night.

Now that weekend, from Friday after Haleigh got out of school, and she was marked at school, until Monday.. No one knows anything other than ron had the kids!! Now, my question, if Ron had the kids from Friday after school through Monday.. How did ron go to work on Friday night.. NO, the kids were not with tn, nor with GGSykes.. I had ask the question directly, was crystal with ron and the kids that weekend, and was told NO!! but she was sure burning up the phone!! Well what did ron and the kids do that weekend?? Did they stay at the house, go shopping (no detergent) go visiting, well whom did they see?
Who saw them together??
See, this open door leaves far more questions than given answers.

As a Grandmother, I have set and ask myself questions. If one of my Grands disappeared, Lord Forbid..
How would I react?? What would be so valuable for me to remember??

I do believe that every second of time that I spent with that child would be become burned into my brain.. I would have wanted to know everything she did or said for that entire weekend prior.. Those would become part of me, and my life without her.

WhyLie @12:26- ita- Also wish we knew what state or country a poster was from just to understand where they are coming from!

Werter can represent TC on anything that they agree to without notifying the public. Tommy is still his client on the drug trafficking charges. Tommy has not been sentenced as of yet.

LE can not just go in and snatch up prisoners, deny them their Constitutional right to have an attorney present, simply because they are prisoners. They were not questioning TC regarding his drug charges they were questioning him on an unrelated case.

He still has rights, prisoner or not, at least in Florida he does, not sure about the state/country you live in.

I think when all of the truth finally comes out, all will find that ron had far more control over all three girls, crystal, amber and misty than anyone realizes..

Control can be in so many varying manners, through anger, rage, violence.. Look at how many abused women in this country, remain with their husband and boyfriends, thinking its gonna get better.. they stay, the endure, and most of them believe its their own fault that hubby or boy friend is having to control them. If they were more submissive and did what they were told, he would have to be aggressive or cruel, or mean to them. And that is done through manipulation. And one thing I am convinced of, ron is a manipulator.

I have yet to hear Misty or Ron say that Ron threw Misty out or requested Misty come home and bring a condom. What you are stating is something that Nay Nay told AH.

There is a yet unconfirmed rumor out there, that I am sure will be confirmed when Sunshine kicks in, that it was Misty that left when she became angry over Ron and Crystal communicating about getting back together.

Both are just rumors at this point and not a proven fact, although I believe the second scenario is much more likely.

took me a few moments, but it came back, you are referring to Tommy’s Miranda rights..

Okay, now were cooking.. Tommy has pled out, he is now a convicted felon, he convicted himself, Tommys constitutional rights are already effected. He should have already lost his right to vote in this country.

1. He is under the guidelines of the Putnam County Jail.

2. I don’t think he can refuse to leave his cell, or refuse to be interviewed, he can refuse to speak, but he cannot refuse to listen.

Miranda:
You have the right to remain silent. If you give up that right, Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.

3. If Tommy is not ask any questions.. His Miranda rights are not violated.

4. If the entire interview contained nothing but comments made to Tommy, and no direct questions of Tommy.. His Miranda Rights are not violated.

5. Tommy’s current attorney has no legal binding on restrictions regarding the Haleigh Case. Because he has made a public statement that he would not represent Tommy in this Case.

6. If No questions were ask of Tommy pertaining to the case he has just pled out to, and he convicted himself, his attorney has no jurisdiction, he is only representing his client on the drug possession and trafficking.

7. Every time a person is questioned or interviewed by LE on a specific case, does not necessarily require being given their Miranda Rights. Once Given.. thus effective.

8. Anyone who refuses to an interview with any LE can be held for up to 72 hours, without being placed under arrest. And during that 72 hours, as long as you have received your Miranda rights, and you do not need an attorney if all is done during that interview are statements made to you.. and no questions ask!!

Cindy is trying her damnest to derail things, isn’t she? And why? Imo, casey hates her.

Poor little caylee paid for that fact, imo.

Pursuant to section 958.04, F.S., the court may sentence as a YO any person:

(a) Who is at least 18 years of age or who has been transferred for prosecution to the criminal division of the circuit court pursuant to chapter 985;

(b) Who is found guilty of or who has tendered, and the court has accepted, a plea of nolo contendere or guilty to a crime that is, under the laws of this state, a felony if the offender is younger than 21 years of age at the time sentence is imposed; and

(c) Who has not previously been classified as a youthful offender under the provisions of chapter 985; however, a person who has been found guilty of a capital or life felony may not be sentenced as a YO under the Youthful Offender Act.
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In Paey v. State, 943 So.2d 919 (Florida 2d DCA 2006), the Court held that mandatory minimum sentence of twenty-five years’ imprisonment imposed on defendant for each of his seven convictions for trafficking in oxycodone did not violate the cruel and unusual punishment clause of the Eighth Amendment or he Constitution of the State of Florida.

Obnoxious or not, whether we like her or not, no 19 year old should go to jail for 15 years for the small part that Hope played in the “drug dealing” that she participated in.

I don’t quite get it.. I don’t remember ever making reference, to what you just said about constitutional rights. or appearance of being child like?? where did this come from.. I went back to check it out.. You have this ole bird confused..

But, I think hope plead to a min/man charge so the judge gave her the minimum which was 15 years, right?

Her mouth wrote a check her butt couldn’t cash.

She does have an appeal filed. That will be another juicy hearing. She signs off on the plea, pleas, then doesn’t like the sentence and appeals it. That’s going to be a tough on to turn over, but hell, let hope have her day by law and move on.

So - he should get at least 15 years?! Correct. He he still going in front of a judge on July 6th of sentencing?

Since the plea put forth by ron was a ‘cut the 25 year charges and we’ll take the 15’s’ tells me ron is guilty.

I think they needed pills and went to Misty’s go get them that night. Misty said she called TC and asked him why he kept calling her house all day. TC wanted to come over, Misty said no, but TC and parents came over anyway. Fight ensued.

I do not believe that Misty was “forced” to stay anywhere she did not want to stay. Her own father said he could not control her, that she did what she wanted, that she even left the state to go be with some guy up north. But we are to believe that Ron controlled her only after a few months? He didn’t control her enough to keep her home the days before Haleigh disappeared.

I don’t buy that for a second. Misty left when she wanted, stayed when she wanted, and pretty much did what she wanted for at least a few years before she even met Ron and his family.

Information pertaining to the possibility that ron set misty up was put out, but it is hard to say if that was reality, or if it was just to cover ron’s participation in the dealing.. I anticipate, that when there is an actual trial, that those speculations will be resolved.. And two, the fact that he was prepared to accept 15 years on a plea bargain rather dis-spell those tid bits.

I’m not sure how tn was supporting herself, only speculation that she was receiving monies from the job for awhile under disability. Don’t really know about any settlements from the accident.. Do believe she is currently under social security disability receiving monthly checks.. those might well be a permanent fixture.

The thing that struck me, after reading all the comments, is how many people immediately believed Tommy’s accusations against LE and have come to his defense! Tommy has demonstrated that he is a liar again and again. Why would anyone ever believe him? A defense attorney’s job is to paint his client in a perfect light and everyone else in as negative light as possible. If a defense attorney could get away with convincing the jury or the public that little green men came down from the sky and did the crime instead of his client, he would do so. So I would take anything that Tommy and his attorney say with a big grain of salt.

That being said, I agree that PCSO must be very angry at Tommy and it is possible that they could have stretched their boundries, because they are human. But they also know the law and know how any indescresions on their part could backfire on them. If they recklessly left Tommy in a situation where he could be seriously injured or killed, how the heck would this help the Haleigh case that they have worked so hard on?

The truth is probably that they are making Tommy as uncomfortable as they are legally allowed, and may be pushing the limits, but stopping just short of abuse. Tommy and his attorney are probably expoiting every opportunity they can to cry foul.