Earlier today it was clear that there was a great deal of information that was beginning to surface that were just too complex to put into an article. Our decision was to go with an impromptu radio discussion.
The panel consisted of Simon ‘Mop Head’ Barrett, that ‘unreliable’ radio reporter from Gainsville, Florida TJ Hart, and ‘Snake Man’ William Cobra Staubs. My sincere thanks go out to Cue Ball for the new names. We all thank the loyal commenter’s here on BNN for sharing this BREAKING, although somewhat bald news, I guess Cue Ball is pissed that the Rogaine didn’t take.
This morning Donna Brock was in court, and she has plead guilty to a lesser charge. One that only carries a 15 year minimum sentence. Ouch, that magic number of 15 just keeps coming up. Donna Brock, like Hope Sykes seems to have been a bit player in the saga, yet the jail terms are hitting hard and heavy.
Tommy Croslin is still talking about being out in three years, one can only assume that he has access to the Disney Channel!
The major discussion point today was the indictments handed down to Chuck Ingram and his wife Dale. This was no overnight decision, it was a Grand Jury finding. We might have found the source of the investigation.
Does any of this help resolve the location or status of Haleigh Cummings? NO
But what it does show is that putting this case under the microscope is paying dividends. Were it not for people like the Unreliable Reporter, and The Snake Man, this case would have been closed months ago.
Instead we have the situation where some of the press have stayed with the story, we might never find Haleigh, but we certainly have done our very best to keep her name in the headlines, and bring justice where it is due.
You can listen to the program here.
Signed: Mop Head, Unreliable, and Snake Man
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackMy question is that PCSO had to know what was going on with Ingram in Putnam county, no way not for them to know, imo. So why did PCSO yet again do nothing?
Good show guys! I to am intrested in Mr. Hyatts analysis of AH words in denial about Cobra.
I dont need an expert to tell me AH is a dirt bag. He could have turned over those tapes and been an eye witness to Cobras accounts but he did nothing. jmo
AH did alot of talking with GHollars also just curious about what their conversations were about? jmo
I think AH is way to into this case. He may get burned before its over if he’s not careful. Imo
Jaba, I agree I wonder about his involvement with GHollars. Could mean trouble with a capital T if he encouraged her in any way. jmo
I am wondering why they haven’t convened a Grand Jury on Haleigh’s case? They changed the status to a homocide and claim or rather SB claimed it was solved. Why not take it to a Grand Jury and see if that evidence holds up? JMO
I like your hair simon, don’t change it.
I thought grand jurys were for capitol crimes?
guess I thought wrong..
Thanks for the show
Love the article!
Great show….COBRA ROCKS…
OJ.. a side of you I haven’t ever witnessed…
Simon lol i like your artical.You do have a sence of humor,as well as reporting the latest.Keeping us up to date.Simon lol i got a title from the que ball too lol,along with some of my other friends here.All i can say is he reminds me of a weasel/sneaky!!!
Cobra,I agree drug users/dealers crimes,time being too long for some of the offences,an i have known,an helped a many dry out an get a new start.They can change.
Cobra i do hope things get cleared up for you.
I do thank Cobra,an TJ Simon,an Jan for all you have done,keeping us imformed,
I agree with Cobra about the time for these type crimes should be looked at.Let the time fit the crime.An all preditors,or any one who preys on a child,should never be allowed back out to repeat.
Bless little Haliegh,i dont know if shes alive,or deceaced.But i do know i will always remember her an forever ray shes found.One child opened the door for the dirty deeds to be exposed. exposed.But if nothing else happens at least a whirl wind is going through there,an many are being exposed for the sorry things they have been doing.Forver hoping her case is solved.An that she is found……
Deborah Jan57
Sorry about the typos.
Thank you to those who sent me well wishes from the other thread,i head out to be tested tomorrow morning.
bbl going to finish listening to the show
Good Luck with your tests tomorrow, Jan/Deborah.
Sending you well wishes with your health!
Could someone tell me: is Joe overstreet still a suspect?
Wow…. Hello cruel world…
John W Sharp said,
in June 15th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
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Hi John,
LE has never officially named anyone as a suspect (unfortunately).
Thanks J O.K. how come joe hasn’t been arrested yet. Did Tommy and misty both change their stories accusing Joe.
John W Sharp said,
in June 15th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
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My thoughts are that there is no evidence at all that JO did anything to HaLeigh. Tommy and Misty finger pointing isn’t enough for LE to arrest him. LE did question him, but nothing further has happened (that we are privy to at least).
In order for LE to arrest him and have the charges stick, there has to be more than the words of two known liars pointing the finger at him. Since there hasn’t been any arrests, I’m going to guess there isn’t any evidence to point towards anyone.
Godspeed Jan(57)~ My thoughts and prayers are with you. Hang in there~
Listened to tonights show with Cobra and… well mostly Cobra, lol. My ears could barely keep up with his words. What I did take note of is Cobra’s very distinct belief that Haleigh is deceased. He also gave me the impression that he thinks Haleigh was either drugged or got hold of drugs. All of his other accounts of corruption or seedy characters seems to be a backlash of this investigation.
Where is everyone tonight? and what are you all thinking?
I’m here. Just don’t have time to post right now. I need to catch up on the latest with the last postings from today on the previous article.
It is very quiet tonight. Maybe everyone is taking the night off?
I am praying for you Jan 57.
Good show, Simon, T.J. and Cobra.
Karma finally got them, Cobra. Sit back and watch it work!
The whole town is going to be locked up before this is over.
I am really curious about the other news Simon and T.J. were expecting. Maybe tomorrow, we will know.
When Cobra says “Haleigh is deceased” I wonder if he has more information than we do or it’s just his gut feeling?
Don’t remember his exact words but something about it being more of a Zani the Nanny situation. Not sure what to make of that.
Hi all
still not thinking it was a drug death for HaLeigh…
I feel somehow someone had anger going on and she was abducted..
although Misty may have not been a part of it physically, I do believe she was an eye witness…..
and what about Junior? My kids would have spilled SOMETHING if their world was broken into in the middle of the night..
iltsm- I agree with you on jr but with him living under the iron fist of Ron, I think he would be too fearful to spill even one bean!
Just thinking about Ronalds lunch hour on the night of Haleighs disappearance. If his normal shift was 4 - 12pm, most lunch hours would be an hour. That could have started anywhere from 8 - 9pm.
Most jobs allow employees to leave for lunch. With no time clock working that night who’s to say he couldn’t have been gone longer.
If Ronald got home in 27 mins that night with a stop at a store, I guess he could do the back and forth to PDM in half an hour. That would leave him 30 mins at home or longer if he was late getting back.
Have any PDM employees mentioned him leaving or staying for lunch?
I think it is entirely possible that both Haleigh and Jr were given something to make them sleep because Misty just didn’t want to be bothered with them. Haleigh was given too much and it killed her and Jr was given enough that he slept through the entire thing. When you listen to the 911 tapes you never hear Jr in the background. With all that commotion going on, searching under beds for Haleigh, screaming, etc there is no way he would have slept through that without some “help”.
Looks like it has been a calm evening. Remember
to keep Jan57 in our prayers today.
MARYD I agree with you on Ron leaving his employer’s premises that night. I also feel firm that a member of his family assisted him in leaving. I just don’t know if it was Grandma or Mom. It has to be someone related to him or they would have already sang. I don’t
about Misty. She could have very well been passed out. I think if she was out the person she was with would have stepped up now to help this kid prove her innocence.
Still as mind boggling as ever to me!!!!!!!!
I love reading all of your comments..everyone has so many good ideas and interesting stuff to share..I have been following this case since the beginning too..I check my computer every morning to see if their is any new news…their is just soooo many possabilities WHAT could of happened to Haleigh..any almost all of them sound like, that could be the scenario. their is the Misty hurt her version, Ron hurt her, Joe took her, drug lords killed her, Haleighs mothers side of the family taking her, and the police/putnam county child prostitution ring theory..(SOOO MANY) first I thought it was RON..if he DIDNT DO IT SOME WAY SOME HOW>>than he KNOWS who DID..but the more I have been THINKING about the drug lords taking her or killing her because Ron stoled from them..makes alot of sense too..MISTY I think would only lie or hold info for 2 people..RON, or someone she is deathly afraid of..maybe she is afraid of what they might do to her family..BUT IF THAT WAS THE CASE..WHY wouldnt RON TELL by NOW??? They know he was involved with drug activity, so what is the BIG DEAL?? Not unless their are people HIGHER UP..who are involved in the drug activity also.
And recently Misty said when she opened the back door when this incident happened..she SAW RON standing their..and he started mumbling on about being involved with shady drug people along time ago..WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT..and on the 911 call..(I do believe that was staged..Ron telling Misty what to say..her initial SHOCK REACTION..had wore OFF by the time the call was made…and on the 911 call Ron says(why did you let them take her??) and on another tape she mentions if someone put a gun in her mouth..dont remember what that statement was pertaining too…and then when Ron mentions it on the drug bust tape, that his daughter is missing, but he KNOWS it isnt the drug guys because they would kill your family and let YOU SEE THEM DEAD..I think that was in his subconscious mind a clue coming out..I dont know..I just started thinking this scenario..and also..Tommy mentioned in jail..that he hadnt said anything before because he didnt want anything to happen to his family..
gtt Yep I think it’s something along the lines that Ron knows. Ron knows because he was involved. I really don’t think drug folks hurt
Haleigh or even took her. I think LE being involved is far reached . I would believe stranger abduction before I would that theory.
I think the guilty parties have been looked at.
I just don’t think Misty knows much. She is just not smart enough to pull off the perfect crime. I hope she does know squeals like a pig and is put in the witness protection plan and goes far far away. Every time I get on her azz
I have to back up and look at her. ( she was
truly just a kid when this happened) If LE set
her up a good attorney will put the brakes on that . My concern is what happens to her when she is out. She will be pretty much homeless.
Everyday I just become more confused.
Well, I think Ron is innocent. Misty is dissociating. Tommy is purposefully lying. And the rest are as confused as we are.
I think it is possible that Misty could of been given something to knock her out that night or make her forget (date rape drug). I also think it is possible that Tommy and/or Joe took advantage of her and Haleigh.
I also think that Tommy has already placed himself at the scene multiple times. He has basically incriminated himself.
But I also think it is highly possible that someone came and took little Haleigh right out from under their noses, just like the little Kyron boy who is missing. In a way, its sad how we have focused on this family as the culprits and criminalized them to make our point. I think of JC Duggards Stepdad and how he was blamed all during the 18 years she was gone. His wife divorced him and everyone hated him. His life was ruined over it. Then one day, there she is. Kidnapped by Girrardo and his crazy wife. The other sad part is that these are young people involved. I don’t think they are murderers, none of them. It had to be an accident or an abduction.
If an accident, why dispose of her body unless it is to cover up a crime, such as rape.
If an abduction, I say it could involve gang activity or CS and her clan.
A popular drug among the kids now a days in that part of the county is something called “Drank”. You mix it with 7-up and it taste like koolaid. Comes out purple. I keep thinking that while Haleigh was “watching her disney movie”, that Misty might of been cleaning and Haleigh got some of it thinking it was koolaid? For some reason, this really crosses my mind. I can’t see Haleigh just taking pills (ick). Purple Drank can kill you. I imagine the results would be quick on a child.
maryd. said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 6:33 am
Have any PDM employees mentioned him leaving or staying for lunch?
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(I snipped your comment to what I am addressing)
Maryd,
There is an article stating that Ronald was seen in the lunchroom/breakroom during his lunch break. (It’s on Baldy’s site).
JenM, That’s really interesting about “Purple Drank.” I was ruling out HaLeigh “accidently” overdosing but that makes it possible. If it was Misty’s, do you think Ron would cover for her?
Jenm I never gave thought to Misty given a drug to knock her out. That could be true. I have not heard of her being govern drugs to knock her out. Most posts are her doing drugs.
Blog Talk Radio has done an exceptional job keeping Haleigh in the news.
I would also like to see an avenue where Haleigh’s life has a greater meaning. Not just where those who neglected her or hurt her have been brought to justice, but one where a dramatic change in the way Social Services really does a better job in keeping up with their “visits”. I’m not gonna blame Social Services altogether for what has happened to Haleigh (and we still don’t know for sure what happened), but it just seems that at a lot of these dead children and abuse cases there’s some information about Social Services having made a visit and finding nothing. In all the child welfare visits there wasn’t one Social Services person who said, “Hey, why is this 17 year old living with and caring for these children at night? Why is this child missing so many days of school? Why is this gun not locked up in a gun case?”
I have a tip for Social Services. Don’t call and say your coming. Just show up. Then you will see how a child really lives. Then you might see the gun laying out, and the dope all over the table. Ronald had all of those priors. He was not a father who deserved to know ahead of time when he was going to be visited by Social Services.IMO
I don’t trust Ron. I’ve started leaning towards someone drugging Misty to knock her out.
Shockwave and ggt. I agree with your post. Cobra has done an awesome job in Haleighs case. Cobra was bringing Putnam county to their knees and they had to stop him. I believe Cobra may be right that whatever happened to Haleigh may have occured prior to Ron going to work. Perhaps the 8:30pm call was to let Ron know all was taken care of, not Misty telling him something had happened. Time for Misty to turn off her phone and Ron start calling to show pings he was at work and then his stop at the up on the hill store to make sure he was spotted on surveillance @ 3:14am and making sure he was seen in the break room for lunch. I believe the mh was staged and the drugs had to be removed from the home as well as Haleigh. JMO
CathyJo, I saw where someone told a complete untruth about you. Please just take it with a grain of salt. You are nothing like they described you to be. I know I have never spoke with you on the phone. I love you and I love all the research you find and share with us. YOU ARE AWESOME and so are Jan, Simon and TJ Hart. Envious people are evil!!!
That comment Misty makes about “Ron not answering his phone and all of a sudden, hes right there, at the front door” was only mentioned fairly recently.(Never heard that statement last year) It sure got my hinky meter up.
Being that Ron plays mind games/power trips with his “wimmin,” it’s occured to me that (I know its far fetched) maybe RON spirited Haleigh away to (ahem…) “TEACH” Misty a lesson about watching/baysitting children. Then it got out of hand when it was reported all over the news and God knows what happened to her then or where she is now. He still seems to have had all the wrong reactions and responses to her “disappearance,” and that comment Misty made makes me think…and think…and think.
er, should have read “babysitting.”
Iketa- I think Misty is thinking I shouldn’t have gone back to Ron!
Any word on if Tommy was in court yesterday?
He had a court date set for yesterday on the Theft charges, the docket has not been updated for that yet, but there is a motion to dismiss.
His drug possession charges from 11/06/09 was part of the plea deal from 6/3/10. That docket has been updated and shows the plea.
LadySadie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 6:41 am I think it is entirely possible that both Haleigh and Jr were given something to make them sleep because Misty just didn’t want to be bothered with them. Haleigh was given too much and it killed her and Jr was given enough that he slept through the entire thing. When you listen to the 911 tapes you never hear Jr in the background. With all that commotion going on, searching under beds for Haleigh, screaming, etc there is no way he would have slept through that without some “help”.
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very possible
LadySadie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 12:48 pm He had a court date set for yesterday on the Theft charges, the docket has not been updated for that yet, but there is a motion to dismiss.
His drug possession charges from 11/06/09 was part of the plea deal from 6/3/10. That docket has been updated and shows the plea.
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I wonder if he really will get three years. Why is Lindsy so mad at him? He is involved somehow.
One thing that sticks in my that Lindsy said to Tommy when she was beotching at him about his sister….the all you Croslin’s are liars tape…she called them incestuous. Did anyone else pick up on that?
I think Tommy is possibly involved in the cover up or helped dispose of Haleigh’s body and Lindsy alibied him for that night. He may have now admitted to the after the fact stuff which shows Lindsy’s alibi as a lie, in last video visit that we have seen she says you made me out to be a liar.
LadySadie how can I find the plea info in TOmmy’s case?
LadySadie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 1:34 pm I think Tommy is possibly involved in the cover up or helped dispose of Haleigh’s body and Lindsy alibied him for that night. He may have now admitted to the after the fact stuff which shows Lindsy’s alibi as a lie, in last video visit that we have seen she says you made me out to be a liar.
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if thats true I wonder what he will be charged with on that? or will he?
Romewi, google Putnam County Clerk of Courts then click Online Inquiry System, then Putnam Criminal Dockets, when searching his last name make sure to put a % at the end.
I wouldn’t be suprised if all of the Cummings/Croslin family know exactly what happened to Haleigh.
I saw somewhere that Misty was telling her dad that Ron was using her,maybe (if they didn’t drug her to knock her out)she will stop protecting him if that’s what she’s doing.
this case is so confusing just when you think you have it all figured out back to sqaure 1. what does misty know?!
BBL got to go get the GrandKids! time to go swim and take a nice break from the Misty Ron Tommy world.
I have been thinking a lot on this case and I enjoy all of the different scenarios. I believe it was an abduction but not one perpetrated by the players in jail. I keep thinking of the movie “The Deep End of the Ocean” (I think that’s the name) with Michelle Phieffer. Someone might have randomly seen this child at a bus stop, school, or a store. The person/person might have been made contact with her, and may even be a neighbor or a friend of a neighbor. They could have witnessed Misty leaving that night or saw the state she was in–drugged out and at the point of exhaustion. I guarantee this MH was “watched” and all actions were under surveillance. Someone could have knocked on the door, and Haleigh answers because Misty was asleep. The person/persons whisk her away and leave the state. Misty wakes up and Haleigh is gone. There is no DNA because they spirit her away as soon as she opens the door. Her abductor would not be a stranger to her because I believe they might have talked to her and befriended her before this. It could be a neighbor (didn’t one move away shortly after her disappearance?) I think Misty has concocted all this different versions because frankly she has no clue what happened and feels guilty for being asleep when this happened. Tommy knows he will get the blame to a certain degree because he put himself at the mobile home. Joe was their scapegoat because Joe is in TN and would never suffer the wrath LE has placed on the others. Joe was convenient, and the drug histories have not helped their case at all. I believe LE has looked in the wrong direction. I do believe Haleigh is alive, since there is not evidence (that we know of yet) to prove a homocide. I do believe a “stanger” who might have wanted a child could have taken her knowing her every day life was not rosy and they (in their warped thinking) could provide a more stable, better life. I believe this child was taken out of town or even state that night. This is just another theory for all of us to ponder. Its a little farfetched, but with the way this case is going anything is possible.
Hi Alex, I’m sure you’re right! “Couldn’t have, shouldn’t have, and wouldn’t have” if she knew what she knows now!
PS Alex, re: the camera at the gas station. (Sorry, I’ve lost track of the past week and meant to answer you earlier) That gas station might have had a camera/video. I don’t know if it was ever checked because LE doesn’t seem to have put any stock in their report. (As far as we know.) I hope they did just to rule their theory out!
On a different spectrum, a person could have easily saw Haleigh out riding her bike or again the bus stop. A person could have also noticed Haleigh when Misty and the children walked to Tommy’s as she says they did often. This person “watches” them, which a sexual offender does. Could Misty have left the door unlocked (if her and the children left that afternoon or early night or even when GGMA Sykes brought the laundry)? Could someone come in (while they were gone) and laid in wait?
Haleigh is asleep in a different bed than JR and Misty. Maybe Haleigh gets up to use the bathroom (another reason the light was on because the children frequently get up to use the bathroom and it has been said Haleigh was scared of the dark). The person grabs her and covers her mouth to muffle her screams. The back door was propped open with brick/cinder block because he would have a squirming child as well as one who would have to muffled with his hand over the mouth. He goes out the back door into the woods and disappears. He probably had a car waiting near by and puts her in the trunk. I just do not think Ron, Misty, or Tommy are smart enough nor would ever think of cell phone pings or an alibi at a convenience store. I can guarantee they have NO idea of innovations of crime scene technology, nor are they avid CSI or Law and Order watchers. The staged door was not something they would have come up with. This is the work of the real perpetrator–the real abductor. I believe the focus needs to be elsewhere, because the more LE concentrates on these people, it gives the other person more time to cover his tracks. And we know he has all ready had 16 months to distance himself from this crime.
I think Nay Nay and Ron’s ex gf, Amber are involved. Maybe Ron was seeing Amber that weekend while Misty was out partying with Nay Nay. Amber got mad at Ron for asking Misty to come back to him. Nay Nay may have stopped by to give Misty some pills or a drink that knocked her out. Amber had a key to the backdoor. Amber and Nay Nay took Haleigh to their pimps. Motive: revenge, drug money, to save their butts from beatings by their pimps,,,
I believe Haleigh is still alive.
Ga.girl@ 2:48pm- oh no! That would be a too long made for tv movie!
Iketa @ 3:17pm Thanks for the info on the camera!
Robin- originally, Misty said that Haleigh was sleeping in bed with her and that Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom and then she noticed Haleigh missing or something to that effect. It very much bothers me that whether the door was broken into or not, that LE didn’t take that day. By the time they did anyone could have tampered with it to make it look like a break in!
Do we think that le took pictures of the lock and door as well as pics inside the MH?
OK Trotlinedesigns, since you don’t like us in here then I can show you the door.
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Please- I’m retired!
Please- and still take care of my 90 year old mother!
Please- and have a lot of family in law enforcement!
Alexandria, LE has already said the door was not tampered with.
robin said,in June 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Very well could happen!!
Robin,It doesn’t fit my theory but Lord I hope you are dead on!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn’t care to be wrong for a second!
LadieSadie- I’ve been reading somuch lately so don’t know where I read it but it could have been on one of the blogs that Ron said the lock was broken or something to that effect!
looking for Justice said,in June 16th, 2010 at 10:51 am CathyJo, I saw where someone told a complete untruth about you. Please just take it with a grain of salt. You are nothing like they described you to be. I know I have never spoke with you on the phone. I love you and I love all the research you find and share with us. YOU ARE AWESOME and so are Jan, Simon and TJ Hart. Envious people are evil!!!
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Yea I got an eyefull too Looking,LoL
Thank you!
I saw where they said “she calls us on the phone and discusses details”lol thats a bold faced lie,I have only spoken to Treece on the phone,have never been on the phone with anyone online in my life,till Treece,but i take it this is a 2 faced person b/c they said “calls US” little mistake there,lol
I really don’t get why everybody gets so tore up because I am here for JUSTICE for Haleigh Looking? Isn’t that what we all want!!! lol well some of usss!!!!!
But I love it here and I am HERE TO STAY!!!!!!!!!!
HE DID ON THE BACKGROUND OF THE 911,HE SAID IT WAS BUSTED SIDEWAYS??
Thank You - CathyJo! I’m getting dizzy going back and forth between all these sites!
actually i had the door lox pix…2 of em,and the one with yellow rope attached? Let me see if i still havem somewhere,lol
Sideways on my dead bolt is the unlocked position. He also claimed it was bumped. The FBI took the lock and replaced it before anyone was allowed in the MH. Rons own words. And since it hasnt been changed to forced entry we can pretty much take it that the lock was not tampered with. jmo
And since the locks were new the chance of a bump or lock pick showing up is pretty good.jmo
Oman,I don’t have them now,lol shoot,I’ll try to find em again!
Was sure i kept them!
And since they claimed to hardly ever use the door they more than likely never used the key. They would have opened it from the inside to take out trash and the vac. jmo
In my understanding it wasn’t Tobias,also remember Greta asked and he and Misty said,a picklock artist?? lol
Faith in PCSO? They didn’t take the door, they drug evidence outside contaminating it, they let 2 dogs sit while they waited for “better” dogs to be brought in, they went through the dumpster like first year crime scene investigators instead of professionals, they had the phone records but for months had no clue who called who, they nabbed Misty as the “key” but knowing she only had a few people in her life that could have helped her, LE did not put pressure on those few people. They searched and drained a pond based on the testimony of a drug addict/defrauder, after over a year they had no idea what time the 911 call came in or which grandmother was at the MH that night, after 14 months they finally decide Haleigh is probably deceased (even though just weeks before they they implied they were still looking for an alive Haleigh) based on a fabricated story of a druggie trying to get out of jail.
Shall I go on? Faith in PCSO, after 16 months and still no Haleigh, I think not.
tobias- good points but the way they lie, I wouldn’t be surprised if that becomes their main entrance & exit door!
Right,if it was tampered with then they could not say it wasn’t an abduction?
Thats what throws it on them? who had keys or lived there?
Right,if it was tampered with then they could not say it wasn’t an abduction?
Thats what throws it on them? who had keys or lived there?
Cathy, Do you see what I am getting at about the lock? they had no reason to even use a key in that lock so it would be pristine. No wonder they knew it was not a forced entry. jmo
I don’t have the link but I read where LE stated that the door had NOT been tampered with. Ron’s lies, why would you believe him over LE?
Somebody, like Tommy, could have unlocked that door when he was at the MH earlier and Misty never even notice it.
well,they did keep changing it,if you watch the Greta interview,when mmisty said we just take trash out that door,his eyes went out of his head!
Has anybody ever said anything about the front door being locked?
something else I don’t get is ok,Ron said he checked it before he left for work,but he says too that Haleigh drove home,pulled in and gavem a kiss and left,so did he go in or kiss them out in the driveway? anybody know?
Exactly tobias,which wouls explain the brick too b/c if she locked the screen door he couldn’t open it without yanking real hard and being noisy? so i dunno!
Storm door latches are easy to break but noisy,I know.my neighbor Bones broke mine teice!
Don’t know whyLie? allz i know is Misty was standing in it he said!
but too,Tommy said he knocked on the front door that night??
Purple Drank is cough syrup with Codiene in it. It is mixed with 7-up or sprite and tastes like Koolaid. It is a real popular drug in the south. I know this personally, as I know people who do this. It contains the antihistamine medication promethazine. This is what gives it a purple hue. They also mix it with Jolly Ranchers. It has a sedative effect and causes different levels of consciousness. If Haleigh thought it was Koolaid or Candy, she would of drank it.
Maybe it was given to Haleigh by Mistake while the kids were watching their movies. It would of killed Haleigh. They were all f’d up that night. Well, we can figure the rest.
I don’t think Ron had anything to do with it. I think Misty witnessed something traumatic…….
Just one of my theory’s.
maybe b/c it was safer to say that,but if he was really visiting to check on Misty he would i assume if they really never used the back door!
but still,if i used drugs and my child od’ed heck,I”d come clean,It was an accident so i don’t thiink they’d do that!
Believe me, if you are jonzin for codeine pills and you don’t have any, you mix up the Drank (commonly called Texas Tea too) and you get the cough syrup with codeine to satisfy your cravin’s. Usually the guy who provides you with weed, will also carry this stuff, as it adds to the weed effect. (Just what I’ve been told by a direct source).
Tommy was jonzin bad for his pills that night and even admits it on the jail tapes. He wanted some codeine and didn’t have any. Maybe Nay Nay brought some over?
Tommy needed his pills, and brother Timmy had some, hmmmm!
CathyJo- I heard both stories regarding Ron, he must be drinking liars Kool-aid because he can’t tell the truth anymore then Misty!
Misty also probably had a healthy supply from her wild weekend. Tommy was working at the time so he probably bought one off of her and they were said to have smoked some pot that afternoon also. jmo
Right WhyLie,that is true,hm forgot!
But then again.in a crowd they go like hotcakes,lol
Right,and him being the Father of Haleigh is why that really bothers me Alex??
Tobias,I think I do,but not sure? explain yourself nowwwww rofl!
IMO Alex,he’s done that since the 911!
I just think if it was an accident,its sure alot easier to comeclaen and face it than what they are facing now!
I know I’d tell it??
wouldn’t even come to me to lie about it!!!
Absolutely agree CathyJo!
But I saw where Ron was trying to convince Cobra it was picked?
Cathy, I doubt very much if anyone even used the key in the back lock. So the insides would be unscared. I f someone bumped it or picked it they would leave microscopic marks that the FBI would have found when they investigated it. jmo
Tobias,Are you saying,the lox were replaced not to be found out or what am i missing?
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh right,ok gotchaa!!!!!!!!!
Exactly!
They say Cobra knew they’d never been picked also? Dunno if thats true but he was supposed to know when Ron was telling him it musta been?
On the last tape that was released of Cobra and Ron, Cobra mentioned the lock and the door and Ron said the FBI took the lock and replaced it with another. The door itself was not taken, but it really wasnt needed since there were no pry marks. jmo
I know if Dakota got in to my drugs when i did drugs,And Od’d,I’d be the first one on the phone begging them to come and get them out of him and if it were too late I’d say and bring some cuffs cause i just killed my Grandson!
harsh i know,but true!!!!!!
and Hopefully Daphna won’t spread that I did so online!!!!
right,ok,ty Tobias!
I wish I knew where i found those pix,shew
well.
Haleigh’s father has insisted that she was afraid of the dark and would not roam at night. This may have been why he was so certain right away that his daughter had been abducted. A 2-year-old child was asleep in the same room as Haleigh, and he was fine. Police said there was no sign of forced entry into the mobile home.
The Cummings residence is on a rural road in a heavily wooded area. I’m tempted to reject the idea of a sex offender kidnapping the little girl, but then I realize that in some ways, this case bears an uncomfortable resemblance to the disappearance of Jessica Lunsford.
Except, that is, for the age of the missing child. Every time I’ve written about a missing child who fell prey to a sexual predator, that child has been at least 7 or older. Predators who target children as young as 4 or 5 certainly do exist — but they are relatively rare. Rarer still — silent snatching in the dead of night. Joseph Edward Duncan III snatched two children in the dead of night, but he killed the childrens’ family to eliminate witnesses — and just maybe because he wanted to.
Police said there was no sign of forced entry into the mobile home.
I got that article from crimereport .com
but did not mean to ccp the “well” at the top,lol
Didn’t want yall thinking i was being a smarty britches!
Cathy Jo- a sex offender is always the wild card in a child abduction! I would like very long sentences for them and if they are ever released they need to have an implant in a vital organ to monitor there every movement upon release! They would also have to pay for this surgical procedure before having it done!
Cathy, Mistys explanation of how far Haleigh was away from her was strange too. Women even dumb ones know inches.lol Know what I mean?
She sid 3 inches and Ron just about exploded on the inside.jmo
Alex,They should never be allowed to see freedom again,The damage to a child after that happens is a lifetime of sheer agony,Because they are children it molds what they become later in life,It’s a nightmare and any judge who doesn’t agree must have had a wonderful life!
Or a predator themselves,It affects everyy single thing you do in life!!!!
Alex, It only costs $30 to have my dog chipped.
I believe all sex offenders should be chipped.jmo
Exactly Tobias,and he says,I know where the beds were,well sure he did but what an odd time to say it when he was so busy at “werk”not to know what she wore or anything,or even if she was in that room,he wasn’t there!!!!
And he knew which side Haleigh was on.imo thats how i took it!
Tobias - I want the chip in or near a vital organ so it they try to remove it … it’s over!
Along with all the dead beat dads,If ya can’t take care of one,you got no business having a 2nd,3rd and so on!
I always thought Misty should have seen she was gone when she got up. Thats why she wouldnt do the reenactment with Cobra. jmo
I would like to know just what LE found that made them eliminate the possibility of an RSO. They cleared all the local ones quickly and even went as far as to rule out the one that had absconded.
I believe ChadReynolds was killed he had no money or transportation and never went to pick up his last check. Someone took care of him from that bar he was at. jmo
I’d say from evidence they found at the trailer,remember the few things in the home they talked about?
that didn’t fit the story Misty gave?
I wonder,if it would be possible if Ron saw something and barged in the door and Knocked Haleigh out or worse with the door,I wonder b/c of his fist hitting the door?
Just makes ya wonder!
I know that there was a hole where Ron’s fist hit the door or wall, did that happen before or after HaLeigh went missing?
He may be dead, tobias, then again he may not be. He had offended in Putnam county before, and traveled to do it.
Supposedly when he got home that night Cate!
Thanks, CathyJo!
I’m with WhyLie, it doesn’t make sense to have cleared those RSOs so fast unless they had a good idea of who did “it” (whatever “it” was) to HaLeigh. In which case, why is it taking so long to get this case together?!
Cate if they had some kind of evidence of what did happen then I can see it, but if they got tunnel vision and that is why they eliminated the RSO’s, like what happened in the Jessie L. case, well that’s what scares me.
You’re very welcome Cate! Right,Thats the only reason I can see that they thought otherwise!I dunno why its taking so long but sorta good in a way! to build a stronger case!
CathyJo- Got an answer from the governor’s office! Sent you a copy!
I haven’t listened to the show.. I was told its rather a reply of commentary, that we have heard before.. And I doubt that anything new has come out other than the charges on ole Chuck, but what that has to do with Haleigh gone missing.. I have no idea..
What ole chuck has done or hasn’t done in Putnam, I couldn’t begin to tell you.. And if ole chuck was in the wrong in giving cobra the file.. then ole chuck should have been arrested at the same time that cobra was.. doesn’t make sense to me..
The wrong movie in the play station was one thing. And it was too high for Haleigh to reach. I saw a moniter in the bedroom so they probably took the hard drive.jmo
Oh,Thank You Alex!!!!!!
Amen Whylie!!!!!
i still wonder if the washer was running!
The lint trap in the drier would show fibers from the blankets if they were dried.jmo
I think after hearing just that one utterance of Misty about her birthday getting f–ed up by Haleigh, the redacted parts are maybe what is going to show alot into the real personalities of the players. Who knows what Ron or Tommy has said when they didnt realise they were being taped. jmo
I would love to hear the redacted parts and know the phone records(times) and to see the first version of events when the first questioned them. jmo
She may have had a bad birthday but she got a marriage proposal at chilis in between fried cheese and the baby back rib delivery. Can’t really complain about that.
True JB, Aint love grand? Ron on his knees sayin’ will ya be my ol lady? Misty sayin’ sure baby. lol jmo
jaba- and his mother’s ring to boot!
Hey Crystal and Amber didnt even get him to propose. And they gave him children.jmo
I’ve seen cheesy, and I’ve been cheesy, but the context of that proposal, the place and then backyard wedding video made me laugh.
They thought they were super stars…
tobias- I think Misty was getting to be too old for him! Did she have to give the engagement ring back?
I dont think that mattered as much as her not being smart. He was superior to her, I think thats what does it for him. After listenng to him talk on the last tape to Cobra, Ron loves to think he is highly intellegent. His mom even knows he is ask her. lol jmo
Tobias- I’ll try! lol- if I hear back from her I’ll let you know!
Misty should have sold the engagement ring and stayed out of the drug car. Maybe she tried and the ring was worth disappointingly little.
Oh Cate! that’s cold1
One thing that really bothers me is Misty could have acted like she was asleep and let Ron find everything like it was. But we have this strange story of waking at 3 something, to pee, get a drink, or for some other reason, and the kitchen light is on the door is propped open and oops Haleigh is gone when we go for the phone. But her first thoughts are not 911 but call Ron? Wouldnt the normal person be afraid the guy who broke in is still there? jmo
Hmm Tobias,I would have never thought of the dryer lint and I doubt they did?
Yeah, that was cold. Thanks for calling me on that one, Alex. Seriously. I am half asleep and should be thinking more.
That is so right, Tobias! But she wasn’t afraid because she knew what happened!
Oh I bet they took everything including the vacume cleaner bag. Maybe even the entire vacume.jmo
I also believe they made sure she found that shirt. They wanted her to try to explain why it was there and not on Haleigh. jmo
Cate- I thought that was funny but it might be correct. If it originally had diamonds in it TN might have had them removed and replaced with cubic zirconia, thinking Misty wouldn’t know the difference.
: No, there was a brother in the home, a younger brother.
VAN SUSTEREN: But he wasn’t in the same bed with the girlfriend and the missing child?
HARDY: No, ma’am. He was — I believe he was in another room, another bed or another — another bedding area. I don’t believe he was on the same bed, no.
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Hmmm,I thought Jr was in the bed with Haleigh on her 2nd story?
Goodnight all gotta get up early for work in the morn. Hope there is more news later.
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, do you know of any problems in that home?
GRIFFIS: In the past, Haleigh and Junior have told us that, you know, they’ve been hit and stuff like that, but up to this point, everything was fine.
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Being hit and stuff.sheeeeeeeeesh and this is ok?
Cate, I can promise you the ring was almost worthless. I had the same engagement ring, when I got divorced, took it to three different pawn shops in St. Augustine and the best I could get was $75.
VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, always in every investigation, the person that people focus on are the people who last saw the child, so obviously, your girlfriend has got — you know, there’s a lot of focus on her. Is there any reason that you have any suspicion that your girlfriend knows more than she’s saying, Ronald?
RONALD CUMMINGS: No, there is not. And I would like for a lot of the false allegations to be discarded. There’s been a lot of false allegations made by the mother and her mother. And I just don’t — I don’t appreciate it. It’s not a custody battle. This here is about finding a 5-year-old missing child, my daughter.
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And this article was the day after she went missing!Already he defended Misty?
She spent 75 on the tatoo I bet, so its all good. ron marks his territory one way or another.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?
RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I’m not sure. You’ll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I’m not sure.
Well, guess I wasn’t so cold after all, but rather, correct. And Alex, I wasn’t sure where you were with it, giving me a hard time or what. Glad we got that important issue all sewn up. Where’s tm39 when we’ve really accomplished something?
LOL, too funny jaba. Maybe I should have gotten a tatoo that said “married to the jerk for 21 years and this is all I got to show for it”.
CathyJo- Wouldn’t a crowbar have left marks on the door?
We have nothing definitive to say where the child is based on the bloodhounds,” Hardy told reporters at a Thursday news conference.
He said evidence has been collected from the mobile home where Haleigh lived with her 3-year-old brother Junior, her father Ronald Cummings and Croslin — but declined to describe it.
“I can’t discuss what evidence was taken into custody,” Hardy said. “I don’t want to reveal what was found or not found.”
Ronald Cummings, told FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren that Croslin was watching his daughter while he was at work as a crane operator.
According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she didn’t return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open.
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Haleigh got up guys? I never heard that!
I posted this on the other site but now the party is over here, clearly. I got to wondering, doesn’t Ron have a friend named Orlando? What is he like? What are the possibilities that he is involved?
Exactly right Alex!! sure would!!!!
Cate- Ihaven’t seen tm39 today! I wonder where toughcookie is.
Tommy has already placed himself at the scene of the ‘missing child’. Misty even tells us right after Haleigh goes missing, that the back door had a brick holding it open and that is what Tommy does when he robs houses, so he can get in and out quickly. Tommy then places himself there again that night at ten oclock to check on Misty…ahem,ahem. I think he did this in case someone saw him there, he could say why he was there. But that backfired. Then he places himself there again with Joe later that night with Joe in the van with Haleigh and threatening him. (which I believe it was Tommy in the van threatening Misty not to tell).
Geez, he has gave an account of the whole day and night without coming right out and saying he is the culprit.
I bet him and Joe drove to his house that night, they got out to get the yellow rope and the dog started barking crazy. Someone called 911 on that. He then used his hunting knife to cut the rope and took off to the river. I bet that Lyndsy has told about him coming home that night for just a few minutes and leaving again. I think Joe was driving and that’s why there is a scratch down the van, etc. because Joe doesn’t know the backwoods like Tommy does. Misty mentions all the meth and crack hangouts in the woods, so they probably were high on meth. They did the deed, then Joe dropped off Tommy and took the van back to Timmy’s, where he crashed out fully dressed. He didn’t park the van where it was when he took it.
Misty called Lyndsy to see if Tommy was home, then she called Timmy and Chelsea’s to see if Joe was home. She was most likely looking for Haleigh. I think she looked some more and was afraid to call Ron.
Just another thought.
CathyJo, where is that snippet from, and when? No, never heard that before. So Ron said that. And Misty’s stories are inconsistent?
The ring was “a family heirloom” lol
CJ, that is the media getting the names wrong.
http://batteredmomslosecustody.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/fl-mom-loses-custody-battle-now-may-never-see-daughter-again/
Are you serious? Thats what Hardy told Greta,so i dunno,lol
did the link post!
If it is a mistake people should straighten that one out!
There are a lot of mistakes in the media. They even said that Haleigh had a little sister.
RONALD CUMMINGS: Somebody broke into my house and stole my daughter. I know because I specifically locked those doors before I left for work, and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way. And I know it was locked all the way. I checked it myself. And she does not open the door for strangers or wander alone in the dark, nothing like that. So somebody broke into my home and stole my child.
OMG,I can see me making a booboo but doggone,this is media and le!
JenM, I agree that Tommy should be looked at very closely, right now he is my number 1 suspect. I think Lindsy knows.
Was it you? Lindsy had to ask Tommy if he did it, she knows. She knows him better then anybody and she believes he is capable or she would have never had to ask Tommy that question.
CathyJo- I had heard the Haleigh got up story and if true that narrows the timeline. Misty would know within a few minutes of her disappearing and had she called 911 if it was an intruder there would have been a greater chance of finding her.
referring to?
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, and there was also apparently a footprint in the dirt. I don’t know if that was a recent print or whether that was an old one. But what can you tell me about efforts to at least search to see whether or not you can determine where the child may have gone?
HARDY: Greta, we called in a team of bloodhounds, and they — several different bloodhound units. And they came out. And I’m sure you know these bloodhounds, their noses are very sensitive, and they did follow some tracking, but we don’t know exactly how old the tracks could have been. And as far as the footprint that you’re talking about, that’s news to me. I don’t know of any footprint at this point.
Ron’s friend Orlando? (I’m doin’ the Alex, “if at first you don’t succeed…)
WhyLie and JenM, What do you think of Steven K. Brown’s solving the case. Didn’t he say that the perpetrator is “still at large” or whatever, or did we not get that straightened out? Just wondering wrt Tommy as perp.
Please- My point is that while I may think that the PCSO had officers that night who made some mistakes it doesn’t mean that all the PCSO officers would have handled it that way! Every department has newbies and sad to say screwups, but that isn’t a reflection of the entire force!
Cate- I don’t know who Orlando Is!
robin said,in June 15th, 2010 at 5:11 pm I am wondering why they haven’t convened a Grand Jury on Haleigh’s case? They changed the status to a homocide and claim or rather SB claimed it was solved. Why not take it to a Grand Jury and see if that evidence holds up? JMO
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we heard there will be arrests in weeks but never was. so I wonder why?what happened.
WhyLie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Yea,that does make me wonder too and when she said the incest thing!
cobra: all my boys are black. i just told you all my boys are black.
ron: orlando, orlando, hey… let me tell ya, orlando is far from being
a drug dealer but if you will look into as deep as you can… somewhere
here in putnam county… there is an orlando… i`m not sure if his name
is trailor also?
cobra: f***, you the man, I mean damn, reach out.
ron: listen listen… orlando, there is also another orlando.
cobra: i know
ron: his social security number is only a couple of numbers off from
Orlando my friend`s… and he does have a battery on a (unintellgible) and
he is a big drug dealer… and they`re accusing my best friend as him
Hey, guys! How’s everyone doing tonight?
FYI: There is absolutely no hurry for the Grand Jury. All of LE’s “keys” are going to be in jail for awhile. No hurry. It may take a Grand Jury a year or so to even release an indictment(s). And they could tag the custodial parent with endangerment or neglect, too. They will have no limits once they start receiving evidence.
IMO
Right Alex,I had heard it too!
Hi CathyJo
how does ron know 2 Orlandos ss #’s haha
CathyJo, Thank you on the Orlando thing. Gotta’ make you wonder!
G’nite all. Maybe tomorrow I’ll find the right post sooner. Spent most of today on the wrong story :(.
how does he know his ss#??
LOL Kris,exactly! I didn’t see your post till i did mine!
he prob dont haha
haha thats funny
I wish somebody would get the ball rolling and lets end this nightmare!poor little Haleigh!
It makes you wonder why they cant get the ball rolling its at a stand still in the public eye
Cate, Steve Brown is a moron. Nothing to what he says. He just wanted the fame and notoriety of solving the case, cause he thought it was about to be solved. What an idiot he is. Sad that he is trying to profit off of Haleigh.
That guy is an obvious nut!
Go on national tv and say he solved it,,he oughta be hogtied!!!!!!!!!!
Kris,I just noticed we posted that at the very same time,lol too!!
LE is building the case. They aren’t going to divulge any info to anyone. No info will be released if and when the Grand Jury is seated. I think that Hardy probably started from scratch when he took office. This case has been a mess since the get go. I don’t know how LE can keep up with all the stories that this bunch has told. All we can do is speculate, wait, and appreciate what is being done. I think LE has had more than a difficult time trying to grasp onto the truth with HaLeigh’s disappearance but I still think the answers will come and justice for Haleigh, also. This is the calm before the storm, hopefully.
All IMO
yvw Cate!!
Yea Lucy,just too many calms and still no storm,lol
CathyJo
haha good that means we will have a good chat! haha
gmta! LoL
i DO WONDER HOW HE KNEW THAT?
Lucy,Imagine trying to solve this thing on a time and budget limit,OMG
We can’t with all the free time in the world,lol
Haven’t had too much time to chat, just read all of your comments. We just have to have hope that this will all come to an end and be done in the right way. If not, HaLeigh will not receive the justice that she deserves.
Keep up the good work and good night.
CJ: You are the bomb! Totally hilarious while yet informative! Thanks so much!
We would of all probably called 911 if our child or grandchild od’d on drugs. However, if the person’s involved were high on Meth, they certainly wouldn’t, would they?
Aw,Thank you Lucy and You are very Welcome!!!!!
If he were on meth,how was he at work?
Would we persecute the parents of a child who got into prescribed codiene and od’d? Or do we only persecute those who had codeiene that wasn’t prescribed? Something to think about and think about and think about and ….
Drugs are drugs. Addiction is addiction. Because your addictive meds are prescribed by a Dr. does not make you less of an addict or make you a better person. Again, something to think about.
No but i would persecute them if the child od’d accidently and they hid it???
I was just watching a video of Oxycontin Prob In florida how easy it is to get and how it kills so many. so sad.
Exactly CJ, we have been hearing for 16 months now, LE knows more then we do, they have evidence, it will be solved soon, they’re keeping things close to the vest for a reason, yada yada yada, and still nothing.
The faster a case can be solved the easier it is to get a conviction and justice. There is so much garbage out there now that if anybody ever does go to trial, it will be a defense lawyers dream.
LE should have been all over every one of them right from the start. LDT, heavy questioning, etc. Especially those that were there that day and those with motive.
I think some of us are going to be shocked when Sunshine kicks in and we actually see how little questioning, serious questioning, of anybody other then Misty, was actually done. I think some people will be shocked at just how screwed up this case has been from the start.
If it was an accident,why hide it,I just don’t buy it,There is not one rreason in this world i would even think of to cover that up! jmo
crack,meth,coke,acid,roofie,valiupm ,moonshine,pot……….nothing to make me cover for my child being killed!
I know all about addiction Jen,It was a prescription from my dr. that made an addict out of me!
JenM- I think a person whose child got into prescribed medicine would have called 911 to try to save their child! I don’t understand why that wouldn’t be the same if the child took illegal drugs! It’s still your child and you love them!
I was thinking of Tommy, as the one on Meth who would not call 911. Misty is a programed robot and plus she was high too. Kinda hard to function in a responsible way when you are f’d up.
I agree totally WhyLie!only Misty!
I agree that we wouldn’t cover it up and maybe they wouldn’t of either, had they not been high out of their minds.
Their being stoned at the time plays a huge factor in a judgment call.
Exactly why Ron should have got another sitter! Apparently he didn’t think she was too messed up,I dunno if she was or not but pot wouldn’t do that to ya! jmo
Ann Sykes said she was fine!
Well,either way,Ron couldn’t of been high,and if he thought Misty was,why did he he let her call 911? jmo
I don’t buy that stuff but i understand its your opinion,lol
CathyJo- Shouldn’t Ron have had another sitter lined up! He didn’t know when or if Misty would ever return! So if Misty didn’t want to watch the kids why didn’t Ron go with the sitter or was he intending to stay home!
Cathjo
My neighbor and my daughters friends mom is addicted to prescribed dugs. she had 28 surgerys in 1 yr. I worry about her alot. I wish she would quit but she says the pain is too bad. I pray shell quit.
Tommy told LE Haleigh was dead, took LE to the dock, and says he was there and knows who did it. How can he plead no contest to drug charges? The prosecutor and judge will punish him. He could get a lot of time. How could his attorney put him in this position with no deal on the table.
Exactly,and AS said herself that she was mad at Misty for leaving Ron with no sitter,which makes me think Misty did ask TN to and she wouldn’t,and apparently by AS statement she wouldn’t have either??
No, I think she was slipped something to knock her out or make her not remember.
My friend was given the date rape drug by some guy she met in a bar. She started acting very crazy and calling her ex saying that she loved him and that they were still married. Her Ex called me and I went over to check on her. She opened the front door (of her MH, believe it or not) and she was in a negligee and crazy makeup all over her face. The guy was still in the MH with her. She didn’t even know who I was. I called the cops. They took her to the ER and him to jail. They found the date rape drug in her system. She doesn’t recall any of it to this day.
So, who knows, maybe Misty got that given to her that night?? Maybe Haleigh got some too. Maybe Tommy or Joe gave it to them? Maybe Joe raped Misty to get back at Ron for not having the gun and then did something to Haleigh too. Maybe Tommy did something to Haleigh in front of Misty.
Just like Misty said,they used her!!
no wonder they bragged on her!They didn’t want the job…..jmo
Ron can be cited for contempt, he lied about whom the children would be in the care of while he was working during his custody case with Crystal. That constitutes neglect at the very least.
But, CJ, you know how I feel….Ron wasn’t at work and Misty wasn’t at the MH..Still hanging onto that feeling. IMO
Really going now, early morning.
Later
Jen,that was one of my very 1st theories!
I thought they knocked her out,propped the door so they could get in later,took her key even? and placed it back when it was done!
But now Misty said,”I don’t even know if that was Jo that night” so i don’t think she was drugged!
CJ, lol….probably right. I think it had worn off Misty enough to call 911, but she still was foggy about all of it. I think Ron was loading his gun while she was calling.
Also, one of the statements in that AS video, is when she says “we don’t know what time Haleigh went missing”. That couldn’t be more true, could it?!!
John W Sharp said,in June 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm Tommy told LE Haleigh was dead, took LE to the dock, and says he was there and knows who did it. How can he plead no contest to drug charges? The prosecutor and judge will punish him. He could get a lot of time. How could his attorney put him in this position with no deal on the table.
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cobra said Haleigh was dead too
thats a Great question I dont get it.how can he get 3 yrs as he thinks and he didnt seem worried.
No body, no proof, no evidence, no nothing. We don’t know for sure that Haleigh is dead or alive. All we know for a fact is that “she is a missing child”.
Where is Haleigh?
TTYL, have a good chat tonight.
Lord Kris,Its a hard thing to watch people you care about go thru that,and Oh how I wish everybody could feel the way i do one day!
A drugged up life don’t even compare to the feeling of finally knowing that you never thought you’d make it but you did!!!!!!!
Better than any high!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t have a clue John! Messed up!
OJ’s glove said,in June 15th, 2010 at 5:16 pm I like your hair simon, don’t change it.
I thought grand jurys were for capitol crimes?
guess I thought wrong..
Thanks for the show
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I don’t think his hair is a crime either!
Even Hank knew enough that Tommy should not have talked about anything regarding Haleigh until he had a deal in writing.
What kind of a lawyer goes to the media placing his client at the scene of a missing child, at the scene of the death of a child, at the scene of a disposal site of a child? How could he go to the media and tell anything that Tommy had told him? What happened to client/lawyer privilege?
WhyLie said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Exactly CJ, we have been hearing for 16 months now, LE knows more then we do, they have evidence, it will be solved soon, they’re keeping things close to the vest for a reason, yada yada yada, and still nothing.
The faster a case can be solved the easier it is to get a conviction and justice. There is so much garbage out there now that if anybody ever does go to trial, it will be a defense lawyers dream.
LE should have been all over every one of them right from the start. LDT, heavy questioning, etc. Especially those that were there that day and those with motive.
I think some of us are going to be shocked when Sunshine kicks in and we actually see how little questioning, serious questioning, of anybody other then Misty, was actually done. I think some people will be shocked at just how screwed up this case has been from the start.
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I am not going to be shocked..not one bit
vaquera
do you think the real truth whatever it is will come out from LE?
LoL Vaq! since you put it that way,Me either,lol
Well,since the room is slower tonight,lol off topic!
Whoever it was,and sorry I forgot but whoever sent me that man song video,I absolutly love it,I keep watching it,too funny! rofl
I just noticed this,all the other times she got up to use the bathroom and saw the backdoor open and ran back to grab the phone and then saw Haleigh gone,Totally different here!
CUMMINGS: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you come in the front door or the back door of that double wide, Ronald?
CUMMINGS: I came in the front door. I pulled into the driveway. She was standing at the front door, and I wanted to know what she was doing up, first, at that time of night. Usually, she is in bed asleep.
And she told me that she just got up to use the bathroom, and that she saw that Haleigh was not in her bed.
—>She went to find her, and the back door was wide open,<—– and she was nowhere to be found. She was gone.
VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, had you been the one to block that back door?
bbl nobody here,lol
O’rly?
I have always thought RC was responsible for something terrible before work… Gun fight, abuse gone too far, or drug related accident or purposely given for sitting purposes… The “mules” Croslin Family ( considered this by RC) were to take care of the situation, clean it up, and call 911. RC was supposed to be called at work with the shocking news… Hence the 30+ calls to MC to figure out why he was not called yet. Also this would answer the possilble 911 call at 2:13AM — maybe this was a 911 call at Tommy’s house and they freaked out and hung up but police showed up anyway…
There is an early interview of the Sherriff and he says something like yes RC was at work however we do not know what time or where this crime took place. I think he is clearly saying we don’t have a verifiable witness to say we saw HaLeigh after a certain time. And who knows when that time is…
I mean people usually love to get public attention and we don’t have a school teacher, bus driver pdm worker, coming on NG or National TV to talk about the last time they saw HaLeigh. I mean not a lot of people. We have a couple of neighbors but they could have seen cousins playing outside and assumed it was HaLeigh and than we have GGMS saying she saw her at 7:30… So if this early timeline was not fishy this would not be such taboo information. This is all in my opinion. A very strong opinion but definitely based soley on my opinion.
Curious G
I need this case to be solved because I really need to understand this. The other night people were talking about taking care of Misty. I worry about Jr and Chloe. They could totally be in the best of care. I hope so! When Jr was with RC and Misty I really was scared for him. Just think in the middle of all that drug dealing they picked him up from daycare and he got in the car with all of them. (IMO) That freaks me out!
Here it is…Ron’s own words…It’s gonna hurt, so beware!
Ron/Cobra Audio2
Cobra: Now listen, this is important. You got any connection with the
cops?
Ron: No
Cobra: You got any MFer who can get you the shirt to me? I got Aqua
Search commin out here, to search. THey’ve got side scan radar. There &
at Dunns Bridge, both. I want em scanned, you know. I gotta look for a
dead child. I gotta look for a live child. Gotta do both.
Ron: (Excitedly) Let me tell you this…gators burough…
CObra: Yea…
Ron:They make buroughs…
Cobra: I know exactly what gators do…Man, I’m from Miami…
Ron: Well, they make buroughs, where there’s air pockets
Cobra: They’ll push em right back in there.
Ron: They’ll push their prey, even if it was a
Cobra: person/child
Ron: Thank You!
Cobra: I know brother. Man, I’m a hillbilly. I’m 52 yrs old, I know a few
things.
Ron: Well, I’m half your age and …
Cobra: That’s it….
Ron: and you can see that….
Cobra: You’re a father, man…
Ron: I’ve got a lot more knowledge then most MFers.
Cobra: You’re a father, man. That’s what the main thing is..
Ron: For Three & 1/2 years now I’ve had custody of these kids by myself,
(garbled)
Cobra: I know, brother. Cause maybe your girlfriend lost one. That’s the only thing that pops into my mind. Stick a screwdriver in there and pry on it, I guess, you know? I know one came up missing.That’s the only reason I know why.
Ron: UmmmHmmm (no emotion)
Cobra: Ain’t nobody heard nothin till your child come up missing.
Ron: Exactly
Cobra: That Joe…that Joe is such a good liar…such a good FN liar, man.
Ron: You know..you know what the thing is…
Cobra: What?
Ron:You know what the thing is?
Cobra: I just wanna go out and get a loan for the kidnappers, go kick *** on somebody.
Ron: (Silence)
Cobra:I keep forcast on Joe. I’m gonna take him out into the swamp…
ROn: Man…
Cobra: But I don’t know….I don’t know what his …I don’t what his…his FN levels are bro.
Ron: yea…I’m scared…I’m scared
Cobra: Now you, you don’t need to do ****..
Ron: Yea..
CObra: don’t you F around now, you got kids. You got kids to raise n stuff.
Ron: Listen, Jr’s gonna be with me till the day I die, even if he’s gotta go with me like that…He’s gonna be with me till the day I die. Daddy’s little boy.
Cobra: Hey MFer you better domesticate…
Ron: Just like Haleigh ’s Daddy’s little girl. (Garbled)
(Sudden change of topic)
Cobra: So that’s Haleigh with a capital H. WHat’s that all about?
That how you spell it? I thought it was regular spelling…You spell it like that? Ha…Leigh? I mean a capital L…..
ROn:Well,
Cobra: Like 2 seperate names?
Ron: Well actually, that’s how was it was supposed to be on her Birth Certificate…
CObra: oh…
Ron: but I think they F’ed it up….
CObra: Oh…
Ron: Let me tell you this…that one right there….
CObra: I’m trying to read it man…
ROn: H-A-L-E-I-G-H
Cobra; That’s It
Ron: Let me tell you this…Crystal was titty-feeding Haleigh when I got this one
Cobra: Yea…
Ron: How come hers is just now getting on her back?
Now if Ron isn’t afraid to tell Cobra that he’d kill Jr before loosing him, he isn’t above using it to threaten their mother to keep her away.
“I’ll kill us all before I let you have them!”
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WhyLie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 10:36 pm Even Hank knew enough that Tommy should not have talked about anything regarding Haleigh until he had a deal in writing.
What kind of a lawyer goes to the media placing his client at the scene of a missing child, at the scene of the death of a child, at the scene of a disposal site of a child? How could he go to the media and tell anything that Tommy had told him? What happened to client/lawyer privilege?
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I am so glad to see someone else say that. I agree re Tommy’s lawyer…he was also a fool for disclosing that his client was going to take a ldt before he did it….can’t see how that was in Tommy’s best interest, however, it did score the lawyer a spot on tv. Unbelievable.
vaquera said,in June 16th, 2010 at 10:37 pm WhyLie said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Exactly CJ, we have been hearing for 16 months now, LE knows more then we do, they have evidence, it will be solved soon, they’re keeping things close to the vest for a reason, yada yada yada, and still nothing.
The faster a case can be solved the easier it is to get a conviction and justice. There is so much garbage out there now that if anybody ever does go to trial, it will be a defense lawyers dream.
LE should have been all over every one of them right from the start. LDT, heavy questioning, etc. Especially those that were there that day and those with motive.
I think some of us are going to be shocked when Sunshine kicks in and we actually see how little questioning, serious questioning, of anybody other then Misty, was actually done. I think some people will be shocked at just how screwed up this case has been from the start.
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I am not going to be shocked..not one bit
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I won’t be shocked either.
JenM said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
There are a lot of mistakes in the media. They even said that Haleigh had a little sister.
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JenM, Haleigh DOES have a litter sister and TWO little brothers. Crystal’s daughter Chloe is Haleigh’s sister and Jr and Amber’s son are her 2 brothers.
John W Sharp said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Tommy told LE Haleigh was dead, took LE to the dock, and says he was there and knows who did it. How can he plead no contest to drug charges? The prosecutor and judge will punish him. He could get a lot of time. How could his attorney put him in this position with no deal on the table.
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We do not know if there is a deal on the table or not. All we know is that Tommy plead no contest, he will not be sentenced until later. The updated court dockets do show that his earlier 11/6/09 possession charges were part of whatever this plea agreement is, so he could have a deal going on that we will not find out about until later.
Tommy could get up to 5 years on the possession charges and up to 30 years on the trafficking charges, according to the court docs. I do not think there was any deal made for Tommy.
LS: I still have a gut feeling that the search at the dock was instigated by Misty’s letter to Chelsea and the fact that the Grannys,TN/AS/FH, got involved in notifying and searching there. Tommy told Hank Sr. in one of the jail recordings, that Misty needed to quit lying and LE taking him to the dock was a bunch of crap. I just don’t think that Misty was aware that all mail is not only search for contraband but also read. Reading detainees or inmates mail can produce all kinds of information not limited to threatening witnesses, goings on inside the facility, but also information on cases.
I think that Ron forgot to tell her to be careful with that aspect. She’s also been sending out letters to her family to forward to Ron. That’s also a no, no…..
Just can’t get pass this idea…..IMO
Dang hit enter to soon.
If there was a deal made with Tommy then we would have seen his charges lowered, which we did not.
KrisLyn @12:27am- Is Cobra trying to say that someone (maybe Ron?) aborted a Misty Pregnancy with a screwdriver?
WhyLie: I agree. I don’t see the court working with LE on keeping anything off the dockets. The best the court would’ve done was continue or postpone the hearing for LE and Tommy. IMO
stilllucy, I think the search came about based on what Tommy told LE.
Tommy met with Werter and Brown Monday morning. He then met with Cone and Jolicoeur for a few hours on Monday evening, after that meeting Tommy took them to the dock, the next morning the search began.
I think if that judge hands down a 30 year sentence to Tommy, we will see Tommy screaming everything he knows right in the courtroom, or at least offering to give LE everything he knows in exchange for a lower sentence. Right now Tommy’s not scared. He thinks he only has to do 3 years, boom, done, out.
WhyLie: And you could be so right. I just can’t get by all the sneaky crap and the lies that all of them have pulled. Makes everything they say and do seem suspicious. In all of this, the players and their families, seem to be working against each other. Except for Hank Sr., he’s the only one that keeps telling his kids to tell the truth and end all of this. IMO
I know stilllucy, but while Hank keeps telling them to tell the truth, the next breath he tells them I know you didn’t have anything to do with it.
I don’t think with the time Misty is facing she would be covering for anybody at this point. I still think Tommy is somehow involved but he is going to maintain he was just an accessory after the fact.
Gotta go, busy day. Just thought I’d check in while I had my morning fix of coffee. Hopefully there will be news soon and Justice for HaLeigh!
Have a good day, all.
Later
LadySadie- Does Ron ever see or have visitation with Amber’s son?
CathyJo- I sent you at article!
Lady S, when I said that Media made errors, like when they said Haleigh had a sister, I was referring to the article we recently read on here saying that her ‘little sister was sleeping in the bed next to her when she went missing’. Which is not true.
The media gets all the info wrong sometimes. I even see a lot of media reports and articles calling Casey as Caylee and vice versa. They screw it up big time, sometimes.
JenM- Not only did the media confuse Casey and Caylee but so did LE & the lawyers!
Good Grief - been away a couple of days and now I’m totally lost! What is the orange bald face liar up to now? Anything new on Haleigh? So what is Donna’s actual sentence? 15 years or has that yet to be determined? When is Tommy’s sentencing? Misty’s? Ron’s? I’ve lost track of everything! UGH!
Goodmorning all. Checking in to see if anything is new.
Alex, From what I have read, Ronald’s paternity of Jordan has not been confirmed. Ronald’s answer on TV was, “that’s what they say.” Amber does not have custody of Jordan, her grandmother does.
Hey LFJ! So I take it there is still no word on Haleigh…..just more of the same 3-ring circus which seems to be extending to include bail bondsmen.
Wow, I came on and all is so quiet. Everyone must be out along with PCSD. No word from them on the case either? No new tapes? notta? jmo
HELLO??
it’s been very quite around here so far today. I have searched the web and found nothing new.
SATSUMA, FL — Deputies found a footprint in the dirt, and dogs picked up a scent leading away from the home of Haleigh Cummings, but investigators didn’t suspect foul play on the day she disappeared, according to the police report released late Friday by the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.
Haleigh Cummings has been missing since Monday. Now, authorities believe she’s been abducted.
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Ok,why did Hardy say there was no footprint found as he told Greta?
I believe the footprint could have been from any child in the area and because it was on the report alot of people assumed it was Haleighs. jmo
CJ the footprint found is also in the incidence report. Just another flub by PCSO.
No new news. Dang it!
Pat brown has her own blog talk show. I did not know that. I was listening to her analyze the 911 call from Ron and Misty. It was done in april 2010.
Just remember, any forward step is one step closer. Keep praying and have faith in what you pray for.
Martina McBride - “She’s a Butterfly”
Song for Haleigh Cummings and all God’s little girls in the world.
She remembers when she first got her wings
And how she opened up that day
she learned to sing
Then the colors came, erased the
black and white
And her whole world changed
when she realized
[Chorus:]
She’s a butterfly, pretty as the crimson sky
Nothing’s ever gonna bring her down
And everywhere she goes
Everybody knows she’s so glad to be alive
She’s a butterfly
Like the purest light in a darkened world
So much hope inside such a lovely girl
You should see her fly, it’s almost magical
It makes you wanna cry, she’s so beautiful
[Chorus]
God bless the butterfly,
give her the strength to fly
Never let her wings touch the ground
God bless the butterfly,
give her strength to fly
Never let her wings touch the ground
What’s the jist of browns summation of the 911 call?
Its always been the biggest red flag to me.
Below is a snippet from Wikipedia explaining what said persons did to their own sister. I’m not saying Haleigh was sexually abused (rather she accidently took some drug), but the way in which these two handled the body of this sixteen yr. old girl is similar to what Pat Browns analysis is of what may have happened to Haleigh regarding a possible overdose and the way in which they went about covering their tracks:
“after a Homolka family Christmas party, Bernardo and Karla Homolka drug Tammy Homolka with the animal tranquilizers. Bernardo and Karla Homolka rape Tammy while she’s unconscious. Tammy later chokes on her own vomit and dies. Bernardo tells police he tried to revive her, but failed, and her death is ruled an accident.[3] Before calling 911 they hid the evidence, redressed Tammy, who had a chemical burn on her face, and moved her into her basement bedroom…Despite the pair’s behaviour — vacuuming and washing laundry in the middle of the night as well as the presence of a “huge, bright raspberry-coloured burn” that consumed most of Tammy’s left cheek —[8] Niagara Regional Police accepted the pair’s version of events.”
Does anyone no for sure where Teresa N.
really lived ? I read an article yesterday
she only lived 11 or 15 miles away , but
I’ve heard people on here say how did she get
there so quick.
Cricket, TN lives 10 and a half miles from the MH.
oh heres everyone I was on the other blog..
what i want to know is who all is making money off Haleigh? Who all is writing a book havin cable tv movies about her to make money?
Who gave MG the advocates Number?
Jaba, Pat Brown pointed out that Ronald may have placed the cinder block against the door after he got home.
Pat also has an article at daily profiler stating that as well. I have company so I am in and out today.
(So TN picked up Haleigh from the bus stop)?
I thought it was Ron or Misty Or???
GRACE: I want to go back to the grandmother of Haleigh, Teresa Neves is with us. Miss Neves, I don`t know what to make of the call. And it`s a legitimate call from Mary Jo in Mississippi. I can`t tell whether Misty Croslin`s eyes are — look that way because she`s been crying so much.
She`s probably hasn`t slept a wink since all of this occurred. Or was there any drug history?
TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD, HALEIGH CUMMINGS: There is no drug history that I know of. And I would like to say that Misty has cried. The reason that Misty calls Haleigh, my daughter, my daughter, should be evident. I mean, Misty loved those children like they were her own.
GRACE: And Miss Neves, how long has she been taking care of them at night while the dad had the night shift?
NEVES: My son has not been on the night shift that long. So, I mean.
GRACE: So not very long.
NEVES: She was taking care of them. She has taken care of them — well, pretty much since they`ve been together. I mean my mom and I are here. You know?
GRACE: How long have they been together?
NEVES: Five months. That.
GRACE: Miss Never.
NEVES: The night shift is only — he`s only been on that like — I mean I can`t give you an exact date, but I`m going to say he hasn`t been on that night shift four or five weeks.
GRACE: Miss Neves, the other evening I was told that Haleigh had missed a lot of school because she`s been sick. What has been wrong with her? Why has she been missing so much school?
NEVES: OK. I don`t know where your medical experts are, but Haleigh has Turner syndrome. And Haleigh has been sick a lot in her life. I mean, I personally have stayed in the hospital with her three times. Her immune system is not what it should be.
GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.
NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
KrisLyn that transcript is not correct. In the video you hear TN say her son picked Haleigh up.
Shockwave- Tammy was Karla’s little sister, she drugged her sister & gave her to Paul Bernardo as a gift! Bernardo is a serial killer who was helped by his wife she only served 12 years for her part in the crimes but I beleive he is still in prison in Canada, where I don’t think they have the death penalty!
TN Knew Her son was doing drugs and she knew Misty was too. I wonder if she did also?
The cop that went to tyler st before on the 911 Mysterious call was involved with buying pills before and demoted then appealed it.
so what that cop buying drugs at tyler and someone covering for their own?
looking for Justice said,in June 17th, 2010 at 1:01 pm KrisLyn that transcript is not correct. In the video you hear TN say her son picked Haleigh up.
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Ok thank you! Ive never seen this one so I wasnt sure.
Jaba, the site is The Daily Profilier. You can sroll down through the articles. The article I found it in as well as listening to her show is called Ronald Cummings is the Mastermind.
looking for Justice
do you know who gave MG the advocates #
KrisLyn. I am sorry that I cannot help you with that one.
I just think it is odd Justice, that She is making a movie of Haleigh and MG 1st contaced her.
WhyLie,
If she only lived 10m or so, why all the
talk of her getting there so fast.That
isn’t a great distance for one to travel.
And If she were trained as a dispatcher
she would have to had quick thinking to
do that job.
Are you talking about Wayanne Kruger?
Cricket, I don’t know. I find the time normal at that time of morning when a child is missing. Now on the other hand, taking 6-8 hours to get some place 1.5 hours away, well to me that is the time that is questionable, imo.
KrisLyn said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
The cop that went to tyler st before on the 911 Mysterious call was involved with buying pills before and demoted then appealed it.
(snipped by me)
KrisLyn are you talking about Officer 1256? Where did you get that information?
Krislyn,
Johnny Sheffield Made a comment that he was
gonna have the rights to do it like the Anthony’s. But now are you hearing MG is
going to make a movie and or book ?
Yes wayanne It was on her FB she said she was approved to make the cable movie of Haleigh
This was from the First coast news article.
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Kruger told First Coast News Sheffield’s mother, Marie Griffis, sought her out.
Kruger said she will help the family find a home in Putnam County. All of them live in Baker County. Kruger will also speak on their behalf and help them find an attorney.
Griffis said she wanted a spokesperson because she did not know how to handle the media.
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So it seems that MG contacted Kruger
Officer 1256 is on the original Police report. and I check her name on the internet and found the articals.
Thanks for the info , lfj.
No No I didnt mean that MG was making a movie at all! I only asked who gave her the contact # to WK thats all.
I could be wrong but wasn’t the officer who was at Tyler St. Peggy Cone or?
I, don’t think the Cummings and Croslin’s
have much of chance in this mess. But yet
it seems that Griffs and Sheffield’s fare
pretty well in it all.
yes I know MG contacted her but who told her to?
YVW, Jaba
in the interview with Lise with the LT officer video he says the 1st call was at 2:16
I think WK volunteered. Is it possible that MG is talking about returning a call? Or maybe Richard Grund, who also “volunteered” Cobra?
If they have a legal right to a book or movie or reality show, let ‘em do it, imo.
Now, no one has to buy it if they don’t like the thought of someone profiting off the situation, but perhaps some would want to read or see it. Free country, right?
I hope they do something with that profit for helping others or dedicate a nice memorial to Haleigh.
Misty probably has a book in her, imo.
If that Officer went to Tommy’s to get drugs
that night, Tommy was out trying get himself
some that day. It seems an officer would have
went to someone he would no has drugs.It sure
wouldn’t be Tommy.
Krislyn can you point me where to look to find the articles about 1256? I can’t find any. 1256 works that area so she has been there for a few different incident reports, including the one when Tommy was passed out at the bus stop.
I was looking around for articles on
Haleigh, I found on That Art Harris said
he didn’t no how Misty stood there lied
on National TV.
If thats not Pot calling the kettle black
I don’t what is.
whylie
here it is
heres the artical officer 1256 T Odom
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=120531&catid=3
Cricket said,in June 17th, 2010 at 1:36 pm If that Officer went to Tommy’s to get drugs
that night, Tommy was out trying get himself
some that day. It seems an officer would have
went to someone he would no has drugs.It sure
wouldn’t be Tommy.
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true so why was she there at 2:16? why did (lt greenwood)< I think say on interview w lise that the 1st call was placed then and not when Misty called?
Cricket, Exactly and most of the ones that were lying, exaggerating, and sensationalizing this case are supposed to be educated, mature adults, not a 17 year old uneducated kid.
KrisLyn maybe Greenwood said that because he doesn’t know the facts of the case, since in that very same interview he said that TN was the one that went to the MH and brought laundry.
so whylie there was not any call then to 116 tyler at 2:16?
I belive that officer was at Tommy’s because
there was call placed about Haleigh missing
from Tommy’s house.
WhyLie,
I can’t figure that one out my self.
I don’t personally believe so, Krislyn, but some people do.
I think 1256 went to Tommys after Misty told LE she often took the children over there. That was said to LE while 1256 was at the MH. Later we here 1256 clearing herself from Tyler and going “back” to Green Lane.
Cricket said,in June 17th, 2010 at 1:57 pm I belive that officer was at Tommy’s because
there was call placed about Haleigh missing
from Tommy’s house.
WhyLie,
I can’t figure that one out my self.
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thats what the dog handler said that was on the search
KrisLyn,
Have still got the video with LT Greenwood ?
I think if you listen again he say’s there
was 2:13am. call.
LE has no clue about the case unless the paper work is right in front of them. He77 Hardy didn’t even know about the footprint. Greenwood didn’t know was at the MH at 7.
WhyLie
I never given a thought to Misty making
a call from The MH.
I just assumed that she went Tommy’s
because she was so scared about Haleigh.
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 2:05 pm LE has no clue about the case unless the paper work is right in front of them. He77 Hardy didn’t even know about the footprint. Greenwood didn’t know was at the MH at 7.
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I understand all that I just was trying to verify the call info. it is a mystery to why the officer was on dispatch stating she was there when the oth call came in later from Misty.
There is a difference between Greenwood getting the time and grandma wrong in that “Lise” interview, though. He generates “2:13″ on his own, and is consistent with, “shortly after two.” Lise mentions the grandmother and offers, “on the maternal side?” Greenwood corrects her with maternal. Then Lise offers, “Theresa Neves,” and he confirms. He might just not want to bother correcting her again. So there may be something significant to the “2:13″ even though he also gives Lise a “pass” on which grandma it was when she gets it wrong a second time.
Krislyn, on the dispatch tape there is no timestamps so we don’t know what time 1256 was at Tyler. Also that tape has been edited.
This is the way I figure it, if 1256 was at Tyler at the time the 911 call was made and LE was dispatched, 1256 would have heard that call and rushed right over to Green Lane and she would have been the first LE on the scene. She wasn’t, she arrived at the same time as Nelson, and I believe it took about 12 minutes (not sure on that time) from the time the 911 call was made for LE to arrive on scene.
1256 Would have made it there in less time then that from Tyler to the MH.
1256 Also says she is done at Tyler and going “back” to Green which means she was already at Green Lane before going to Tyler.
That is my interpretation of it.
Cate if what Greenwood said was in fact not a mistake, then PCSO has some explaining to do and I would imagine it would be grounds for an investigation. If they received a call at just after 2 on a missing child and did nothing for over an hour, LE is going to be in some hot water.
Does anyone know if jr was at the MH when police arrived?
If the 2:13 call was made from Tommy’s house and Misty had gone over to see if Haleigh was there, she would have taken jr with her! Then back to the house alone and that’s why we don’t hear jr on the tape!
If there was already a 911 call on Haleigh missing then why would Ronald have Misty call 911 and report Haleigh missing as if it was the first initial report on Haleighs disappearance?
lfj, and why would LE not acknowledge there was a call to them regarding a missing child at just after 2. Makes no sense to me. I am going with Greenwood doesn’t know what he is talking about.
me too, WhyLie. I don’t think Hardy knows anything about this case either..
I posted this on other thread, will put it here too..
Tommy sure got a slap on the wrist for stealing from that old blind man..
06/15/2010 DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE CNT: 1
06/15/2010 VERDICT OF NO TRIAL CNT: 1
06/15/2010 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL CNT: 1
06/15/2010 50 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY JASON LEWIS,
06/15/2010 50 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLED NOLO TO THE LESSER OFFENSE OF
06/15/2010 50 TRESPASS OF OCCUPIED STRUCTURE (F.S. 810.08 2B)
06/15/2010 50 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 1 YR PCJ &/OR $1000 FINE
06/15/2010 50 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING -
06/15/2010 50 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY
06/15/2010 50 XX DAYS PCJ WITH XX DAYS CREDIT
06/15/2010 50 $283 FINE AND COST
06/15/2010 50 $50 COST OF PROSECUTION
06/15/2010 50 $50.00 LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIVE COST
06/15/2010 50 ALL COSTS ENTERED AS A CIVIL LIEN
06/15/2010 51 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT
There may be something Greenwood knows that we are not privy to. I can’t say why LE was at Tommys an hour prior to the 911 call from Misty and Ron. Perhaps this will tie altogether pretty soon. Perhaps it is what Greenwood has knowledge of that tells LE that this was no stranger abduction.JMO
looking for Justice said,in June 17th, 2010 at 2:39 pm If there was already a 911 call on Haleigh missing then why would Ronald have Misty call 911 and report Haleigh missing as if it was the first initial report on Haleighs disappearance?
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that was in my mind as well. so Im trying to pan it out with Whylie’s info just to get it cleard in my head.
thanks whylie
so if anyone has info that the officer was actually at the 116 tyler before let me know. I thought it was on dispatch but I maybe wrong and have to read it over.
This case is so frustrating!!!! Nothing in it makes sense. Haleigh is missing and now proclaimed to be deceased!! It is time for some answers.JMO
vaquera said,in June 17th, 2010 at 2:47 pm me too, WhyLie. I don’t think Hardy knows anything about this case either..
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He better get to knowin and he should.thats what he gets paid the big bucks for.
They lowered the charge to trespass? WHAT THE HE77 IS GOING ON IN PUTNAM COUNTY?
Vaquera- From that it sounds like the gun charge pled down gives him a penaly of $383 total. So maybe he’s not far off with a 44 month sentence in the drug case!
lfj, And perhaps PCSO knows as much as they did on day one.
WhyLie/vaq, Is 1256 Peggy Cone, and if not, who is 1256 by name?
So this is how the timeline goes, Nelson and 1256 arrive at 202 Green about 3:39; 1256 goes over to Tyler, then returns to Green.
Is this radio scanner recording available to listen to anywhere on the net? Or just the transcript without any time reference?
vaq, so that comes out to a fine of $383 for stealing from the blind neighbor man, that’s it?
All 911 calls are recorded I would assume. If there was an earlier call than the one Misty made, I would think we would have heard it by now (only an assumption on my part). Greenwood has made many blunders when reporting to the media, so may be this is another one of those. This case has been messed up since the onset of it, which leaves me skeptical of the investigation in general.
Cate- I read that the first responding officers were Nelson & Bridges!
This is from a transcript of the radio scanner we’ve been talking about—
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago.
Last seen 1 to 1-1/2 hours ago? Could be another error but could be pretty interesting, would make it about 2 am!
There is just more than PCSO on this case. There is FDLE and the FBI. Citizens have complained to the attorney General that this case was not getting the proper attention and possibly corruption. Keep your faith in God that he will prevail in Haleighs case and whoever the culprit/s are will get their due. I have to believe with all the heat on LE they are working very hard on this case and trying to get the right ones involved. If the families of HaLeigh were not misleading the investigation and sending LE on wild goose chases I am sure there job would a little simpler to trying to find out what happened to HaLeigh, but all they seem to do is LIE.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 17th, 2010 at 2:57 pm WhyLie/vaq, Is 1256 Peggy Cone, and if not, who is 1256 by name?
So this is how the timeline goes, Nelson and 1256 arrive at 202 Green about 3:39; 1256 goes over to Tyler, then returns to Green.
Is this radio scanner recording available to listen to anywhere on the net? Or just the transcript without any time reference?
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1256 teresa odom
her name is on the police report
Alex, but I still don’t know who 1256 is, Cone or someone else, maybe Bridges?
OK, so 1256 is Odom, Nelson and Bridges were the first ones to 202 Green, still not clear on when Odom’s timeline… but Misty probably has the key to that too?
I just noticed the docket on Tommy’s theft case someone just posted and the last line says ” Fingerprints of the defendant”. Now what does that mean? Why would they need those when Tommy has been arrested before and his would be more than likely on file. Could someone please explain that or am I reading way too much into that piece of information?
Robin - In California they refingerprint a person who is being sent to prison but Tommy still has to face the drug charge, so it doesn’t make sense!
Maybe he made some kind of deal on the drug charges that we are not yet aware of.
Really weird! On PCSO website it says on 6/10/2010 an Ed Williams was tryinig to bring cocaine & cannabis into a visit. He was arrested and his bail is only $7512 !
PEGGY CONE, 48
Hired: 1979
Transferred to corrections: 1983
Resigned: 1984
Rehired: 1986
Transferred to school resource unit: 1996
Transferred to investigations: 2004
Other: In a January 2007 evaluation Cone was commended for skills as a sex-crime investigator. In January 2008 she was lauded for bringing a high level of proficiency for her year as sex offender/predator coordinator and credited for work with the year-old Child Abduction Response Team.
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I dont think she was called to the scene?
WhyLie said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
lfj, And perhaps PCSO knows as much as they did on day one.
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That’s my thinking. It’s been over 2 months since the search at the dock and no one has been arrested still.
Shame on LE for telling the family Haleigh is dead on the word of TomMe and Misty,2 people that had lied for over a year and a half.
No, doesn’t look like Cone was called to the scene at this part of it. But it is not clear when, after Nelson and Bridges, Odom (1256) arrived on the scene. Then, when did Odom hustle on over to Tyler?
Yes, Vaq, shame on LE, completely agree. Mainly for telling the family without any other evidence (unless the family has more information that they have been able to keep private?), and shame on them for telling us that, as well! A little girl goes missing and the most they come up with 14 months later is, “She’s dead but we’re not gonna’ tell you how we know?”
Better make an arrest before Labor Day.
looking for Justice said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
There is just more than PCSO on this case. There is FDLE and the FBI. Citizens have complained to the attorney General that this case was not getting the proper attention and possibly corruption. Keep your faith in God that he will prevail in Haleighs case and whoever the culprit/s are will get their due. I have to believe with all the heat on LE they are working very hard on this case and trying to get the right ones involved. If the families of HaLeigh were not misleading the investigation and sending LE on wild goose chases I am sure there job would a little simpler to trying to find out what happened to HaLeigh, but all they seem to do is LIE.
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Only person for the FDLE I know that is supposedly working on this case is Jason Joliecour and the FBI has not been since the first few months.They have to be asked to be on a case unless there is a good reason for the FBI to take over it. I think the ineptness of PCSO should be a good enough reason, but I guess it’s not.
Why wouldn’t Cone be called to the scene? She was on the Child Abduction Response Team. They would have been some of the first people called in my opinion. They are trained to specialize in this type of case.
Anne in Ft. Myers, I am not one of those people*. I completely agree with your description of Ronald! It is very difficult for me to write-off his “behaviors” in the 24-hours preceding her disappearance as “coincidence.”
(*who does not believe that Ronald Cummings would be involved in his little daughter’s disappearance)
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 17th, 2010 at 3:24 pm No, doesn’t look like Cone was called to the scene at this part of it. But it is not clear when, after Nelson and Bridges, Odom (1256) arrived on the scene. Then, when did Odom hustle on over to Tyler?
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Hi Cate thats what Im trying to figure out but whylie said she was already at 202 green and never was at tyler so Im confused.
I read the dispatch report and it said what are you doing at tyler.why would the officer give tommy a barking dog citation from an older report while they were seriously searching for a little missing girl?
Anne in Ft. Meyers, What do you think happened to HaLeigh?
robin said,in June 17th, 2010 at 3:32 pm Why wouldn’t Cone be called to the scene? She was on the Child Abduction Response Team. They would have been some of the first people called in my opinion. They are trained to specialize in this type of case.
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she was called later on in this I think, Karen Simmons wrote a letter stating Cone had information leaked to Kim P to her. so Im wondering if all thats true. seems if so peggy said Ron was under survailence for drug activity in and out of a drug house videos of it she said she had so karen said.
Anne of Ft. Myers said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
May I remind those of you who do not believe Ronald Cummings would be involved in his little daughter’s disappearance or the ensuing mastermind cover up; Ronald Cummings is a dangerous man, a drug dealer, an illegal gun runner, a thief, a lair, a woman and child abuser, a con and a manipulator who has gotten away with numerous illegal activities in the past, and only GOD knows what else; all with the support and connivance of lying sniveling Mother Teresa, all for her boy Teflon Ron. I rest my case.
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Gun runner?? child abuser? thief?? I wouldn’t be so sure about him abusing women either since you would have to believe Crystal and I don’t believe much of what comes out of her mouth either.I would like to be pointed to the drug running, child abusing and thief stuff though.
Peggy Cone was called to the scene sometime after the 911 call the deputies arrived.
vaquera
you know anything about Karen simmons and how she came into the picture?
1256 is Christine Bridges
1118 is T. Odom
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 3:48 pm 1256 is Christine Bridges
1118 is T. Odom
Thanks Whylie! Im sorry I got it confused.
Thanks vaquera for both posts at 3:37 and 3:39. Though I do not believe Ron is a “golden boy”, I do not believe he harmed his daughter. FBI, FDLE, PCSO, Tim Miller and EQuisearch, Cobra, and Steve Brown have all searched for Haleigh and NO ONE has yet to find her–dead or alive. No arrests for 16 months and no POIs named. There have been several people involved in this case and no answers to even the basic questions. There is no motive (in my mind anyway) that Ron would hurt his daughter. Misty either for that matter. There is NO perfect crime, and yet if you believe media and LE these people pulled one off. I am not buying it and my faith in LE resolving this case has gone. Though we are not privy to what LE does have as far as evidence, I do believe if they had anything they would have charged someone all ready. JMO
WhyLie, Thanks for clearing that up! If 1256 is Bridges, it all falls into place. Thanks.
KrisLyn, Not ignoring you, just couldn’t answer you earlier. Good thing because I would have further muddled the situation!
Maybe Ron isn’t as bad as Anne in Ft. Myers says but it doesn’t matter, he is bad enough for me.
Bye, all.
KrisLyn said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
vaquera
you know anything about Karen simmons and how she came into the picture?
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Not offhand. Exactly how is she connected to Haleigh’s case?
First on scene at the MH were R. Nelson 1271 and C. Bridges 1256
Ha, google is my friend. Karen Simmons AKA ksue??
She was just a poster/blogger(I believe she posted on the forums here) that inserted herself in this case by first contacting Kim and at some later point Tim H. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard anything about her. She accused Kim Picazio of some stuff, whether it’s true or not I don’t know.
vaquera said,in June 17th, 2010 at 4:06 pm Ha, google is my friend. Karen Simmons AKA ksue??
She was just a poster/blogger(I believe she posted on the forums here) that inserted herself in this case by first contacting Kim and at some later point Tim H. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard anything about her. She accused Kim Picazio of some stuff, whether it’s true or not I don’t know.
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oh so she started out as a blogger and then was on kims team? I wonder if the letter she wrote was true and if the emails she had I saw posted asking her to lie to dcs were true to make it look as though ron was abusing Haleigh.
Alexandria Loring - As I stated. I don’t think that Haleigh was murdered under such circumstances. I think that the probability of her overdosing and vomiting on her blanket like Brown has theorized is very likely. Thus the reason that the trailer was cleaned and the washing machine and dryer were running. That was my point.
on the police report it said the pills were hydrocodone. I dont see it say oxycontin anywhere so ron and misty were busted for hydrocodon?
adress shoes misty lived with tommy and ron lived with? at whos address?
Suspect Information #2
Name: CUMMINGS RONALD LEMYLES
Address: 216 4TH AVE
City: WELAKA State: FLORIDA Zip;
CUMMINGS MISTY JANETTE
Address: 116 TYLER ST Apt./Lot #:
City: SATSUMA State: FLORIDA Zip: 32189
Well if Misty washed blankets as she said she did then I would think that the washer and dryer were running.
It would also explain how her shirt ended up there. Misty for got it was in the drier with the bankets. Then it was later found. I think when she pulled out the blankets the shirt fell in with the dirty clothes on the floor.
I also believe LE put it back for her to find, they wanted her to explain how it got there, if it was supposed to be on Haleigh. jmo
Kinda like that pesky lost sock everyone has..lol jmo
KrisLyn said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
vaquera said,in June 17th, 2010 at 4:06 pm Ha, google is my friend. Karen Simmons AKA ksue??
She was just a poster/blogger(I believe she posted on the forums here) that inserted herself in this case by first contacting Kim and at some later point Tim H. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard anything about her. She accused Kim Picazio of some stuff, whether it’s true or not I don’t know.
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oh so she started out as a blogger and then was on kims team? I wonder if the letter she wrote was true and if the emails she had I saw posted asking her to lie to dcs were true to make it look as though ron was abusing Haleigh.
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I can’t say yes she did want her to lie to DCF (though I wouldn’t doubt it) but Kim and Marie both posted at Websleuths and had a group of people that spread whatever lies and called DCF, they probably called Ron’s work too. After the Marie and Kim’s fall out the group split into those that were behind Marie and those that were on Kim’s side.
Truthfully I am not a big Kim fan but I do believe she wrote the truth in the bar rebuttal outside of a couple of white lies like she didn’t post on boards. She posted on many boards including here. I think she was snookered by Marie
The shirt was found at the bottom of a pile of dirty clothes on the floor when she did a walk through with LE
WhyLie said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Well if Misty washed blankets as she said she did then I would think that the washer and dryer were running.
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I can tell you that Kim P said the washer was not running when LE arrived there.
I think the shirt scenario is Misty just didn’t remember what Haleigh was wearing when she went to bed. If she wanted to cover up something she simply had to say Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt, with no further description. Every little girl has a ton of pink shirts.
vaquera, I think if the washer and dryer were running when LE got there, we would have heard about it.
vaquera
thanks for your input
its aweful if some are in it for fame money or whatever. who knows the real reason she was in it but I see alot of people dont care for this ksue.
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 4:41 pm I think the shirt scenario is Misty just didn’t remember what Haleigh was wearing when she went to bed. If she wanted to cover up something she simply had to say Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt, with no further description. Every little girl has a ton of pink shirts.
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she was prob so high she got it all wrong and mixed up.
Anne of Ft. Myers
one scenario I sway to is Ron Drugs Dealers Money taken child for revenge. I sway back n forth
AS knew what shirt she had on since just recently she said on NG that she brought clothes over and Misty changed the kids shirts while she was there. Its all on video. jmo
I really don’t think that any of them would be willing to spend anywhere from 15 to 100+ years to protect Ron, Teresa, or anybody else.
and it is a little strange Ron so quite no tapes released? or are they avail?
maybe his plea deal has to do with ratting out other drug dealers? has any been arrested since he was?
tobias, the shirt AS put on Haleigh might not have been the same one that Haleigh had on when she went to bed.
OR it was the shirt and it was removed when Haleigh was taken.
Krislyn it was Tommy that ratted out Hardy’s son so he may be the one giving out names.
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 4:51 pm Krislyn it was Tommy that ratted out Hardy’s son so he may be the one giving out names.
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oh my aint he brave
what I cannot understand is why Ron tried to beat up Tommy and next thing you know they are drug dealing buds
Anne in FM you said he was a gun runner as a fact not as an opinion as you did the rest of your adjectives. I’ve done the research and Ron has never been arrested for domestic violence or gun running or child abuse and that is fact, any thing else without proof is conjecture
Anne or FM: Right on! I’m with you. Not very popular at times but, still believe that Ron and Teresa are up to their eyeballs in all of this. Not one of the stooges would be alive to tell their stories if Ron wasn’t involved. IMO
The call made around 2am that morning was a non-emergency call of a disturbance at Tyler. This call was made prior to the 911 call from the MH. The officer was still in the area, not out of the ordinary at that time of night, when the 911 call was dispatched. Make of it what you will.
Tommy ratted on Hardy’s son????????Never heard that anywhere. Confirmation of this fact was from where?
I didn’t think Ron and Tommy did a drug deal together. I thought it was Misty and Tommy, and Misty and Ron.
vaquera said,in June 17th, 2010 at 4:06 pm Ha, google is my friend. Karen Simmons AKA ksue??
She was just a poster/blogger(I believe she posted on the forums here) that inserted herself in this case by first contacting Kim and at some later point Tim H. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard anything about her. She accused Kim Picazio of some stuff, whether it’s true or not I don’t know.
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I thought she was the one who reported the Haleigh sighting at goodwill??
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 5:28 pm I didn’t think Ron and Tommy did a drug deal together. I thought it was Misty and Tommy, and Misty and Ron
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werent they ALL busted at same time? thats what I meant they were all together busted for drugs after ron tried to beat up tommy and supsdly stuck a rat in his mailbx.
and I didnt know they were only busted for hydrocodon and thats it I thought it was oxys
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PALATKA, FL — A probe into illegal steroids among Putnam County Sheriff’s Officers has led to criminal charges and the resignation of a detective after 20 years on the force.
41-year-old Detective William Prioletti resigned after an internal investigation was launched on a complaint that Prioletti was using steroids and other non-prescribed medications. The complaint stated that Prioletti had bought the prescription thyroid medication Cynomel (the Mexican equivalent of Cytomel) via the internet and had sold the drug to two other Sheriff’s Officers, Lt. Teresa Odom, 54, and Detective Elton Miller, 37.
A criminal and internal investigation was launched into the complaint, but due to what a Putnam County Sheriff’s Office press release called “idiosyncrasies in the investigations,” only Prioletti is facing a criminal charge.
Lt. Odom has been demoted to the rank of Sergeant, with a loss in pay, probation, and a letter of reprimand.
Detective Miller has been suspended, without pay, for three days, probation, and will also receive a letter of reprimand.
Cytomel is a thyroid hormone that produces effects in the body similar to steroids. It is sometimes abused by bodybuilders.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=120531&catid=3
They were all arrested on the same sting operation but I think that Ron and Tommy sold with Misty separate from each other. So I don’t think they were “buddies”.
I think Tommy better pray he gets sent to a different Prison then Ron does.
Ron & Misty were together when arrested. Everyone else involved, were arrested separately.
No CJ. Karen S. was a blogger.
Maybe I am wrong,I think my KS was Karon Simmers?? sorry,lol
too much info,I get too confuse with the names!
Thats the only info i found about Cone tho!
Grrrrrr,I mean with a link to verify,lol
stillucy said,in June 17th, 2010 at 5:22 pm The call made around 2am that morning was a non-emergency call of a disturbance at Tyler. This call was made prior to the 911 call from the MH. The officer was still in the area, not out of the ordinary at that time of night, when the 911 call was dispatched. Make of it what you will.
Tommy ratted on Hardy’s son????????Never heard that anywhere. Confirmation of this fact was from where?
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at 2:13!
I forgot who it was that asked how the blind man could own a gun,lol What matters is Tommy stole it? Blind or not,lol
CJ: Thanks, I knew that you would know the exact time. Still the one, with all of the info……
not always Lucy,LoL It’s usually corrected but I do stay soooo confused!
oh OK Vaq,she ran with KP?
How do they know Tommy ratted on Hardys boy?
God,they better pray thats not true,get a person killed letting that out! jmo
I asked the same question, CJ. I never heard a word about Tommy ratting out Hardy’s ex-son. I would think that would have been out and all over the media; TomMe is a rat! Watch out, he’s talking…….Never heard a word.
CathyJo63 said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
How do they know Tommy ratted on Hardys boy?
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it was one of the earlier tapes when he said Hardy’s son was a bigger druggie than him….I’m paraphrasing here.
Ah, but CathyJo, we don’t know if Tommy really stole the gun, it could have been Lisa. Tommy and Lisa were together at the mans house, Lisa stole this mans checks, forged his name and used those checks. Lisa and Hank Sr. returned the gun to the man, and Lisa “said” Tommy stole it. Hmmm, with a mother like Lisa who needs enemies?
Shockwave@4:15 - My point was that Paul & Karla were serial rapist/ killers, I hope that isn’t the case here! Alex
why is it sooooooooooooo quiet in here?
like a ghost town
Tommy gave out the info to all his fellow inmates and guards during a visit, that video was released to the public. He yelled out to the other inmates that Hardy’s son was a bigger pill head then him (something to that effect) when Hardy was on TV giving an interview.
WhyLie @ 4:49 - If the shirt was on the buttom of the laundry pile, I don’t think if Haleigh was taken some one would take the time to put it at the bottom of the pile. They would want to get out quickly!
they will put him in PC, and that is no fun
PC = protective custody
LadySadie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 6:09 pm Ah, but CathyJo, we don’t know if Tommy really stole the gun, it could have been Lisa. Tommy and Lisa were together at the mans house, Lisa stole this mans checks, forged his name and used those checks. Lisa and Hank Sr. returned the gun to the man, and Lisa “said” Tommy stole it. Hmmm, with a mother like Lisa who needs enemies?
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Oh well yea,I see what ya mean!
But i was mostly referring to the post,”Why does a blind man have a gun,LoL So I was simply explaining a blind guy can own a house but cause he can’t see it Tommy or Lisa or none of us can take it from it? Then we’d be in jail too,LoL
Hey mrsm,Long time no finger…..lol
imo it was returned when Misty went in for ?ing…….jmo though!
No harm Lady,when something sticks out to me,I use my big ole mouff…..lol
My Amom was blind but she had a 357 under her piller!lol
Think thats what it was called,lol I hate guns!jmo tho
Hi CathyJo, i’ve been lookin in pretty much daily but not much goin on in here
This is a post from the Putnam forum. It kind of goes along with what Tommy said about Hardy’s son being a pill head. It is from a local but take it for what it is.
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What the sad part of this story is that josh has been selling prescription drugs as well as other drugs for years with the knowledge of putnam officers who allowed it because of who he is. The only reason he was arrested this time was that meth labs are very dangerous not only to the people making them especially since there was children in the meth house, but to the entire neighborhood wich could all blow up considering the highly conbustable chemicals used in the manufacturing of meth. Already Josh (jeff hardy’s son) has been shown diff treatment as his bail was approx. $500 less than the others who all faced the same charges that included josh’s 6 mos. pregnant GF.
OMG WHYLIE,are you serious?
Now thats dumb!
Mrsm,its alittle slow due to no news,I’ve had a hard time finding which article everybodys on,Its like playing tag! lol
Alexandria Loring said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
WhyLie @ 4:49 - If the shirt was on the buttom of the laundry pile, I don’t think if Haleigh was taken some one would take the time to put it at the bottom of the pile. They would want to get out quickly!
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Or it was dropped on the floor where TN said the dirty laundry usually was and Misty picked all the clothes up and tossed them in the laundry basket.
Nobody knows for sure. I am thinking that Misty did not know what Haleigh was wearing when she went to bed. I just don’t think Misty was that observant.
OMGGGGGGG,See.now that ain’t right!!!!!!
somebody said there were no kids around,well I am sure they had neighbors! which don’t matter to me at all,they should get the same treatment or worse maybe if their parents are involved in law,but for certain when kids are around!
The victim said that Tommy was the only one that went back to that part of the house where the gun was located.
I had a feeling that case would be dropped. I don’t think the victim wanted to have anything to do with prosecuting Tommy.
Hello everyone….
just checking in…
people like that think cause they know someone the same rules don’t apply,I wish I was the sheriff,LoL They don’t,but I do!
Right WhyLie,I read somewhere that he didn’t want to??
heck,that ain’t going to matter anyway imo cause he’s a goner anyway!
i think the last time Misty saw Haleigh she DID have that shirt on, but before the boys left the MH with Haleigh’s body they were smart enough to strip her as they knew/thought the gators wouldnt consume cloth. Misty did not see that part.
CJ I posted what that local said because when Tommy blurted out about Hardy’s son being a pill head and then Josh was arrested for Meth, I blew it off thinking that Tommy was just blowing smoke since Josh was not arrested for pills. But when I read what this local said about Josh dealing in pills, it made what Tommy said about Hardy’s son more plausible to me.
stillucy said,in June 17th, 2010 at 6:03 pm I asked the same question, CJ. I never heard a word about Tommy ratting out Hardy’s ex-son. I would think that would have been out and all over the media; TomMe is a rat! Watch out, he’s talking…….Never heard a word.
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Me either Lucy??
vaquera said,in June 17th, 2010 at 6:04 pm CathyJo63 said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
How do they know Tommy ratted on Hardys boy?
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it was one of the earlier tapes when he said Hardy’s son was a bigger druggie than him….I’m paraphrasing here.
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Oh,Thank You Vaq,Dunno how i miss so much!
If I listened half of what i run this motor chin,I’d be ok! lol
OMG Yes whylie,omg,Tommy will be scared and crying now? can you imagine,they don’t like rats at all?
mrsm said,in June 17th, 2010 at 7:29 pm i think the last time Misty saw Haleigh she DID have that shirt on, but before the boys left the MH with Haleigh’s body they were smart enough to strip her as they knew/thought the gators wouldnt consume cloth. Misty did not see that part.
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So do I Mrsm,it was imvho put back by someone included in my theory while she was being ??’ed that day,remember?
IIRC She found it right after they dropped her back off at the mh that day!
imo.Misty knew she had the shirt on and thats why they brought it back in,if misty spotted it somewhere else,later,hmmmm
I don’t think LE would bring evidence back,Tobias may be right abd she usually is but i don’t agree about that! jmo
actually Whylie,since you said that I do remember that now,lol
What was the weight on Tommy’s docket (drug trafficking that is)? He was only charged with one count (if I recall) and since with pills they go by the weight/grams how much did Tommy get caught with? I know it’s been said but I can’t recall offhand? And with his charge what is the minimum mandatory? He seems to think he is getting 3 years and I wonder with his charge (besides his other crimes) is it a possibility?
I dont see Ron’s mom as being as involved as you think Cathyjo, but i agree with alot of your theory up to a point
robin, this is from Tommy’s court doc
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06/03/2010 35 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
06/03/2010 35 HYDROCODONE (4G-14G)
06/03/2010 35 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30YRS DOC &/OR $15000 FINE
06/03/2010 35 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 07/06/2010
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so he was charged with more then 4 grams but less then 14. I believe minimum mandatory is 3 years BUT he can get up to 30. I think his possession charge from the passing out at the bus stop arrest can get him 5 years.
Minimum-mandatory sen-tences give prosecutors significant clout, said Deborah Fleischaker of Families Against Mandatory Minimums, a national organization working to repeal the measures.
Selling pills with a total weight of half a Hershey bar is enough to mandate a 25-year sentence, Fleischaker said.
************** hm lemme find it Robin!
TY Whylie!
any of the jail tapes, Tommy never speaks a word about HaLeigh.. only about him getting out.. nothing was his kids much either… SAD
Thanks WhyLie.
Right,I u remember Mrsm! I don’t think she knew it firsthand at the time tho but due to feeling she owed Ron!
I am vacilating between Haleigh OD-ing from a lil sleeping potion Misty gave her at Rpon’s instruction, and a drug/gun related home invasion. Either way Ron advocates for Misty because it is more his fault than hers though in either case neither of them intended for Haleigh to be endangered or end up dead. I dont doubt Ron’s mom would be in on the cover up early on, but not prior to the 911 call. I can see her keeping mum for Ron after the fact when she cant help Haleigh but can help protect ron.
Even his own kids? basically too Ilove!
He’s a selfish punk! imo
rightttttttttttt Mrsm,I think ron called her to help after the fact and out of guilt I really think she would,I am sure she feels she owes him alot!
i dont know that he called her “for help” i guess i was thinking more along the lines of his having to tell mommy what happened when the shit hits the fan
imo too……to be honest,I think thats why he had “Teresa” tattooed on his chest.not mom,Teresa!
Guys usually put their moms name on where it shows??
My ex-fiance had his mom at age 16 put on his arm,was going to mine,I said OHHHHHHHHHH nOOOOOO!!!!!
His moms photo at age 16,i meant,lol
I’d say he’s pretty glad i wouldn’t let him now,lol
well,true too mrsm except,she made it too fast and had a pic,so ya know? jmo
i dont believe all the theories about him and mom switching vehicles or phones…i doubt these people thought this thing would blow up like it did. I doubt they were that forward thinking, especially in an emergent situation like this.
CJ have you found a site that has all the jail tapes listed in one place yet?
What Tommy said to Lindsy during a visit, Ron told, what could they do, they couldn’t bring her back then (something to that effect) has been haunting me and I really want to listen to it again and see if I am reading more into it then I should.
She prolly did make it there in 5 minutes but for a very different reason!
do you know which set of tapes?????
would like to hear that too WhyLie, is there a transcript?
CJ, TN only lived 10 miles away, and it was after 3 in the morning. I am sure she was able to drive pretty dang fast since her grandbaby was missing.
Ron called her during the 911 call, she arrived after LE did. It probably took her about 8-10 minutes to get there from her home.
i am not much impressed with the pic she had as evidence of anything. If my son called me at three AM telling me my granchild had been stole i would throw on clothes, grab an 8×10 off the wall and riun out the door
Transcription,tommys
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/05/tommy-tapes-continued.html
might go in my pajamas
and if i had an LE jacket i would throw it on to get through and into the house easier
mrsm, LOL I don’t trust transcripts. I like to hear it with my own two ears.
true but theres one thing that throws me,the way she and ron have acted,protected the one accused,doesn’t make sense,jmo
Does this mean that Tommy has already served his time 172 days for the grand thief charge?
UCN: 542009CF001653XXAXMX
Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T JR
09/16/2009 3 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
06/15/2010 50 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 1 YR PCJ &/OR $1000 FINE
06/15/2010 50 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING -
06/15/2010 50 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY
06/15/2010 50 172 DAYS PCJ WITH 172 DAYS CREDIT
06/15/2010 50 $283 FINE AND COST
06/15/2010 50 $50 COST OF PROSECUTION
06/15/2010 50 $50.00 LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIVE COST
06/15/2010 50 ALL COSTS ENTERED AS A CIVIL LIEN
06/15/2010 51 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT
06/15/2010 52 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
06/15/2010 52 M J MARTIN
because MISTY KNOWS….they gotta protect her…she knows Ron IS culpable at least to an extent…
some good transcripts here,
Are the links posting?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7923.0
tommy and lindsey transcripts
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103735
good ones here!
what tapes are you looking for?
ilove, a jail tape with Tommy and Lindsy, early one. Tommy said something in it that has not set right with me. He implies he is talking about the Mexican mafia, he said something like, Ron told, what could they do, they couldn’t bring her back. Something like that.
Hey guys just dropped in to catch up a little.
Anything different or new.
Lillymae, yes they lowered the charge from grand theft to trespass of occupied structure.
I swear to My God people,I am crazyyyy!!!!!!
Been over there posting stuff,into 2 different articles????? I bet they know now i am an idiot!
nuthin new Coop, dead as a doornail in here
another thing that gets me is,Ron made it a point to say he cleaned his gun after finding it in a culvert,I don’t buy it,and why would le take it?
Maybe to keep him from “talking the piece of trash out” but if he was so sure someone stole it,why would he look in a culvert?
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AnydangHoo,This was me last one,lol omg
yea,aommin new Coop,I been lost and talking to empty blogs,shewwwwwww
i thought Misty found the gun in the culvert
WhyLie,I have searched everywhere,even google,Can’t find that one,would u happen to remember another odd thing on it,lol?
Ron told Cobra he did??
how long before Haleigh went missing did the gun come up missing and then get found? does anyone know..roughly?
cobra: you think he`s got something to do with it? i heard the first night
he came into town man… he tried to get your piece.
ron: the first time i met him he stole my piece. (gun)
cobra: the first day?
ron: the first day i met him… the third time… the third DAY that he was here…
cobra: yeah, the first time you MET him.
ron: first time i met him he stole my piece.
cobra: I heard that
ron: you know what? i felt like a criminal… i went straight down to the ditch…
because i figure if it`s on his premises and the law finds them… guess what?
cobra: boom, back to you!
ron: No… if it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble.
cobra: yeah
ron: so, you put it in the ditch and anybody could have put it there, right? got my
s*** right out of the culvert… took it home… sprayed it…cleaned it… and there
it was
CJ, gosh no I don’t. That one part just keeps sticking in my head. I hope I didn’t dream it, lol.
he wanted to make sure everyone knew Jo stole his gun for a reason? imo
oh,and that he cleaned it!
So it was on the 3rd day that JO was in town, he was in town for, I believe, 2 weeks.
I have searched every way possible WhyLie,you know me!lol
I know CJ, that’s why I asked you, lol. I wish somebody had all the tapes in one place. I hate having to search all over for them.
Ron says,I feel like a criminal? pfffft,for getting his own gun?
one sec,lemme try sommin
Thanks WhyLie!
Any gun person would clean their gun after it was in a culvert or laying out in the elements. That is a normal thing to do.
Cathy Jo-Please e mail me.There is something I wanted to ask you about.
hmmmm…so what if Ron took the gun back from Joe personally, instead of the ditch story….and Joe hadnt stolen it at all…but received it as payment for whatever he brought from Tennesee..drugs/guns whatever….this would give Joe a motive and maybe Misty and Tommy were telling the truth about Joe…tho if so, Tommy was an accomplice and Misty has been (half heartedly) protecting Tommy (and Ron the drug dealer) all along
sky 93 had them all in one place, now i can’t find.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_playlists&search_query=tommy+croslin+jail+tapes&uni=1
They’re all there Whylie,I am pretty sure!!!
Maybe you’ll recognize it when you first see it!
cathyjo, yes it has been super slow. I just knew it was Ron until WHYLIE point out the camera on the 17 bridge. If it’s Ron someone else is involved. Someone that picked him up and dropped him off. I just can’t buy his grieving process. The biggest jerk in the world. Historical, someone that grieves like Ron is guilty. All the get out of town, tattoo,
marry, just anything to take away from his daughter’s rescue. If he was that concerned why create extra case load for LE by dealing drugs.
I am not for sure of the extent of his involvement but he is as guilty as anything.
He still takes no resonsibilty for this child’s
disappearance. Where is his I should have done this, or I should have done that, he is acting like an idoit slinging guns in his damn mouth.
If I had lead that life style I would be so overcome with guilt for putting my baby in the
middle of that mess.
right cricket,I had a sight that had all of em but not now,lol
mrsm, Misty said that JO, Timmy, and Tommy were all at the MH the day the gun was stolen. Out of those 3 we KNOW Tommy is a gun thief, and the gun was found at Tommy’s house. My money is on Tommy stealing it and the Croslins putting the blame on JO.
100% agreed Coop,exactly my thoughts too!
He hindered it any way he could! imo
true mrsm,but nobody would look in a ditch and go out of their way then to tell cobra jo stole it,and that he CLEANED it! jmo,but I tell ya,I just got a gut feeling,
WhyLie, that sounds right. I think either of them could or would have taken it, and hidden it outside somewhere knowing that if Ron went on a rampage looking for it and found it “on them” they would likely not live to tell the tale. I just wonder if there isnt a motive we do not know about….there could very well be a debt involved.
Oh Ok Grandma,sorry
CJ, it’s country, you always look in the culverts and junk cars for stolen things, like in the city you would look in trash cans and dumpsters, lol.
email me Grandma,pennyloafer63@gmail.com lol
Remember Ron had never met JO before. Ron went by what the Croslins told him. They said JO took the gun so Ron had no reason to doubt them about it. We all know now who the actual thief in the family is.
I CAN’T FIND YOURS????? OMG…….I know i had it??
right but if you want to pin it on somebody you would say it was stolen too? jmo
but i also keep thinking about how Misty didnt want to babysit that night. It gives me that “gut feeling” CJ is talking about. I can see Ron and Misty fighting on the phone and him telling her to just give Haleigh a little bit of a pill…in her juice or in her breathing treatment so she will go to sleep in answer to Misty not wanting to babysit. I bet her argument was fatigue. They had been up all night the night before and before that Misty was out partying all weekend. If i read Misty right she probably played that as a hellweekend that she couldnt get out of…would have rather been home, but this drama happened and that drama happened….she is tired and wants to sleep! This makes the “i woke up at 3 AM to pee” sooooo unlikely too by the way
CJ, I don’t understand what you mean with that one. If you want to pin it on somebody. Do you mean Ron wanted to pin the stolen gun on JO and lied about it being stolen? Why would he want to pin it on JO? He didn’t even know him.
Maybe I’m not understanding, my brain is frazzled.
lol whylie,possible but adding it all up together,I can’t buy it,lol
If he thought that,Why did he look in his own culvert,why not go to where Jo was and look in the culvert,and he says,I felt like a criminal!!!!!
Mistys bro and he didn’t know him? huh uh! lol sorry……jmo
I am sure Misty told him all about him!
mrsm I don’t think Misty woke up to pee or get a drink. I think the cold air coming in from the open door woke her up. She didn’t know what it was that woke her up.
actually now too mrsm,I can see ron barge thru the door thinking somebody was there and knocked her out with the door?? and thus busts his fist on it? jmo
cathyjo I think we are right as Ron being guilty. Now if we could just figure out how he got past security and the camera on the bridge.
I think I would be right in saying that if he had taken another way in he would have been gone from work too long. I believe the TN theory because I think Ron called her in a panic just like he did when he got home. She went with him to catch Misty doing the nasty with someone else. He got mad hit that kid caused some kind of trauma. I think they left
with Haleigh, let Misty to clean up and stay with JR. Ron is an idiot and is capable of anything.
and he had to rush back to work before they caught him?
if Misty had truly been asleep after the weekend she had had snow couldve piled up on her a** and it wouldnt have woke her up…jmo ( I’ve known too many pillhead 17 yr olds)
You got it Cathy…..Croslin’s are guilty of
something but this isn’t it.
CJ It wasn’t Ron’s culvert it was Tommy’s.
WhyLie,you’re gonna hate me,lol but i think his presense woke her up or when he was leaving,he made noise,I dunno! jmo
I agree Coop!
CJ, Ron didn’t know JO, Misty’s cousin. He did not live in the area.
Right WhyLie,thats what he says then,lol but even more reason to say that,lol jmo
i dont consider Misty “guilty”…except of not telling what she knows…if she had anything to do with harming Haleigh i believe it was technically accidental jmho and acually same opion goes for Tommy…dont think he would purposely harm Haleigh
Thank Goodness I have never been around a pill head that I know of. The one I think I knew was a legal pill head. She would have not been capable of killing anyone she was so crippled
up and depressed.
I never knew that they crushed them and sniffed them up their nose until the other night someone on here explained that to me.
but i wouldnt doubt Misty thought it was A-OK to give her a little something to put her to sleep once in awhile…maybe she has more sense than that, but it could go either way.
I know WhyLie,but i am sure Misty told him all about him,remember she said she wouldn’t be alone with him unless ron was there!
I could never hate you CJ, lol. I thought a lot about maybe it was the noise of somebody taking Haleigh that woke Misty up, BUT the more I thought about it the more I came to the conclusion that nobody would take Haleigh, or be in Ron’s home that close to Ron coming home.
If Ron was expected home around 12:30, then I think who ever took Haleigh did so between 10:30-11:30. That is why, if Misty was sleeping, I think maybe the cold air woke her. It was a very cold night.
right mrsm,me either! I really don’t think she knows!
She’d have broke way before now,or shes protecting Ron!
Does anyone know how many employyes work the shift that Ron Did?
Also do they all take lunch at the same time?
And was Ron the only crane operator on duty at that time?
it was me Coop, i understand the drug culture scene all too well, i work with this population professionally, and have had lots of personal experience as well with teens i tend to collect like stray cats…
Well we can’t take what Misty says to the bank either CJ. Remember JO was only around Ron that one time and we know Misty was around JO other times without Ron being there.
I think Misty through JO under the bus because her family through him under the bus. Lindsy and Chelsea called LE on JO shortly after JO left town.
if you notice her voice test,As soon as he asked her if she thought ron would hurt Haleigh,all the blood drains out of her face and she goes right to the “omg i can’t lettem know mode”
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
You do have a point!!
so do those of you who think Misty really was asleep think she really does not know what happened??
Ron knew Haleigh wasn’t coming back. I bet he was festering when Misty did not pick up her phone when he called. He called Mom…..I think
it probably happened before he even made the call to Tommy. Misty was instructed not to open the door to anyone. She probaly was scared
out of mind.
Ron Cummings is a walking timebomb. He is a violent man. Haleigh took a blow to the head.
They have told Misty if she told they would say she done it. TN took up to much for Misty
when Haleigh disappeared and they kept her under them for awhile
Right WhyLie,i don’t believe one person involved!
cuz i firmly beleive she DOES know what happened….i dont beleive she ever went to sleep at all…or if she did she was awoken long before 3 AM
mrsm,I think she knows what happened after she woke up,obvious to me b/c the way she said,The brick wasn’t there when i was asleep?
When Ron testifies against Misty I think that the canaries(jailbirds) are going to sing. JMO
CathyJo63 said,in June 17th, 2010 at 7:50 pm imo too……to be honest,I think thats why he had “Teresa” tattooed on his chest.not mom,Teresa!
Guys usually put their moms name on where it shows??
My ex-fiance had his mom at age 16 put on his arm,was going to mine,I said OHHHHHHHHHH nOOOOOO!!!!!
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my ex has my name tattooed on her wrist
she didn’t even hesitate to answer that ?? so it looks honest to me!
I would love to hear Ron’s jailhouse tapes….
I think Tommy is very capable of taking Haleigh, and he puts himself at the MH during the 10:00 hour. Lindsy didn’t get home until after 10, she ate, went to bed, went to sleep, so I guess Tommy would have left his house about 10:45 or 11:00.
Tommy scares me. There was a reason Lindsy had an order of protection for her and Austin when Austin was just a baby.
brb daughter on phone,and no i am not calling people online,rofl got accused of it,
mrsm it could be possible that Misty was asleep. I just don’t know. I think she did see someone. Now I don’t know if Ron took her to scare Misty and something went wrong.
Poor Haleigh…..I just don’t think the outcome is going to be good for that baby No
matter what.
Now this corrupt LE in Putnam has put but yet another spin on all this.If LE in the community
was no better than the parents she damn sure didn’t stand a chance of ever being found
“I was told that Ron come home, and Haleigh and found one of his pills and took it and was dead … Ron called you to get you to come up there and help Misty clean the house while he disposed of Haleigh,” Crolsin’s grandmother Flora Hollars said.
Tommy denied that story to his grandmother and said it simply wasn’t true.
http://www.wesh.com/news/23554386/detail.html
mrsm said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:02 pm so do those of you who think Misty really was asleep think she really does not know what happened??
Yes.
And I think Ron is innocent.
There has been too much speculation and rumors and sensationalism in the media and blogs.
JenM, how do you account for Misty’s failed lie detector tests?
Whylie, the Tommy theory sounds almost to good
to be true. If Tommy did it he acted alone. Did Lindsy take his truck to school that night
and loan the van to Chelsea. If that being the case I can see where he wouldn’t need to engage anyone’s help to dispose of the body.
If there had been a second person they would have already ratted Tommy out.
I think if Misty knew what happened she would have talked a long time ago. I don’t think she could have kept up the charade for those first 30 hours of questioning. I think Misty was sleeping BUT I think she has suspected Tommy for a long time and has tried to tell.
I pray I am right and she is not involved. I pray that nobody that Haleigh loved and trusted would cause her harm.
COOP it was said that Lindsy carpooled that night. Tommy had the truck, Lindsy’s van was at Chelsea’s. Misty had not vehicle.
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 8:07 pm ilove, a jail tape with Tommy and Lindsy, early one. Tommy said something in it that has not set right with me. He implies he is talking about the Mexican mafia, he said something like, Ron told, what could they do, they couldn’t bring her back. Something like that.
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its my understanding theres a gang of hoods who literally refer to themselves as “the mexicans”.
Misty supposedly went to their house during the 3 day binge, iirc
Why did Ron tell Misty Donna was spying on her?
Why did Ron put the Rat in Tommy’s Mailbox?
Why did Ron always take up for Misty even when she failed multiple LD test?
Why did Ron always answer question for Misty?
Why did Ron tell his Mom that police was trying to get him to tell Misty how much he loved her so they could find out what happened to Haleigh knowing that we (the public and Misty family) would hear it on jail tapes?
But then again he was at work and the police can prove this . I’m so confused. I actually have mixed feelings about the whole Ron did it.
COOP I think Tommy could have acted alone. What if he heard the same story from Misty that she told Nay Nay, about Ron robbing some big dealer. What if Tommy took Haleigh to exchange for some of the drugs BUT Ron told, he couldn’t bring her back, what could he do.
wow OJ thats a new one on me!
Whylie I too hope that nobody Haleigh loved hurt her. However, I think the Dad lost his temper that night. I know the alibi thing. But
something is missing.
If you think Tommy did it I get that but he acted alone. JO would have thrown him under the bus. Period..That stuff Grandma Hollars told was a crock of butter
I do not think Ron harmed Haleigh. Remember Ron also took a LDT too. Even though we know he said he passed, LE never refuted that. But yet they said Misty has failed–not only failed but failed “miserably” if I recall. The camera red light would show anyone’s license plate crossing that light. They know who passed that way to go that MH. Unless there is another way to go to that MH without passing that light, then I have to believe Ron was at work that whole shift. Most big companies have cameras trained on the entry/exit and parking areas of their employees. I can guarantee that if Ron left that night, LE knows and they have video proof. They would know of TN picked him up. They have cell phone records that would record their pings which would determine their location while making the call. IF LE knew Ron was NOT where he says he was–at work–then he would have been arrested or named a POI. Ron might be a lot of things–but harming his daughter–in my honest opinion is not one of them. But that’s my opinion only.
OJ I remember WBG taking the girls to a house of Mexicans so he could pimp out Lindsey.
mrsm Oh my goodness that has to hurt putting that stuff thru you sinus. I think you told me that this puts it in the blood faster. Would not the chances of an OD be greater. To have had and work with these kind of addictions must
be daunting.
Robin I don’t think LE said Misty failed, I think Tim Miller did. I don’t think LE cleared anyone with LDTs!
ky mom said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Why did Ron tell Misty Donna was spying on her?
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its natural to protect your woman..
he was concerned about doona finding out about their drug use and dealings and using that info against them..he knew misty had no involvement with haleigh so thats why he warned her.
Right Alex. LE has not released any of the results of LDT that were given, to anybody.
Robin I hope you are right about him not harming his daughter. However, that doesn’t
make him any less violent,irrespondsible and
self centered. Ron does nothing that doesn’t help Ron. They ought to just slap him for being Ron
Ron and Misty knew that Donna worked for TM why would he need to warn her?
HI everyone
I was looking at rons record wonder what this is 05/28/2010 40 LETTER FROM ANNETTE SYKES
thanks for the tip ladysaide %
yes it gets it into the blood faster…also if the pill being crushed is a time release pill then you get the whole dose at once instead of spread out over 8-12 hours like u r supposed to
Coop @ (:29 They ought to slap him for being Ron!
OMG, That is so funny!!!!!1
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:24 pm OJ I remember WBG taking the girls to a house of Mexicans so he could pimp out Lindsey.
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right, but I think they were refered to as
“THE mexicans”..as a gang name.
I don’t know if ron warned her or not just read it several times and figured it was true.
Misty Croslin is way to immature and uneducated to have pulled this off she just don’t know. If her and Ron had been up all
night hashing out issues they had that would
have been day 4 of drugs and sex. She was passed out like a log.
COOP said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Whylie, the Tommy theory sounds almost to good
to be true. If Tommy did it he acted alone. Did Lindsy take his truck to school that night
and loan the van to Chelsea. If that being the case I can see where he wouldn’t need to engage anyone’s help to dispose of the body.
If there had been a second person they would have already ratted Tommy out.
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What I don’t understand is there has never been a reason reported regarding the damage to the van. Who was driving Tommy & Lindsey’s van the night HaLeigh went missing?
ky mom said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Why did Ron tell Misty Donna was spying on her?
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its natural to protect your woman..
he was concerned about doona finding out about their drug use and dealings and using that info against them..he knew misty had no involvement with haleigh so thats why he warned her.
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true. But he should have keep his mouth shut so maybe just maybe he could have learned something about lil Haliegh. IDK.
Do you think Misty will start making stuff up on Ron now that he has agreed to testify against her?……. Remember she said he was standing on the porch when she opened the door that night Haleigh went missing. But I think maybe if he was standing on the porch he was trying to spy on her. IDK OJ…..o What do you think happened to lil Haleigh?
Coop…OR she was still high and still awake…i agree if she fell asleep at all she was out for the count….thats why i dont beleive that she woke up at three….no way….the house couldve fallen down around her and ron would have had to shake her awake …both kids couldve been gone!
ky mom- but Ron says Misty was standing in the door when he drove up, so who’s version is right?
OJ’s glove said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:24 pm OJ I remember WBG taking the girls to a house of Mexicans so he could pimp out Lindsey.
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right, but I think they were refered to as
“THE mexicans”..as a gang name.
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OJ, I do not believe that the mexicans were gang members. It was also mentioned about the mexicans being laborers (some illegals). And at one point I had found where some of them work (in the orange fields somewhere in & around Crescent City)
Ok guys I’m teetering tonight on Ron or Tommy.
WHYLIE has blown all my confidence in my Ron
theory so I think I am going to have to jump
ship on the Ron Theory (I steal think he is a
POS)
Tommy done it and acted alone. He used the same vechicle that Lindsy rode to school that night. Not for sure if he did it before she got
home and laid low until she went to bed or he did it afterwards. I think he went to rob the place and Haleigh saw him. OHHHH I am going to tell my daddy you got his……medicine.
Had to take care of that so Haleigh’s dad did not pop the cap on his big eared azz.
i for one totally believed Misty when she blurted out (like she was striking back after being hurt) that Ron was standing in the door when she opened it, and why was he there….i thought he sounded totally genuine and impulsive in blurting it out even. Lies dont sound like that.
i dont buy that not one little bit Coop, sorry
JMO
LE has let the media–and I mean every media outlet–run with the story that Misty has failed the LDTs. If they (LE) was worried about the integrity of this investigation then they would have stepped in and stopped the media assassination of Misty. They (LE) have done NOTHING to dispel the rumors circulated in this case and to me that is suspect in itself. They say they do not release the results of LDTs, but evidently there are “leaks” somewhere in LE. I think its ironic that the jail tapes are redacted, but yet the Sheriff’s own son was nabbed AFTER Tommy made that little comment on his tapes about the son. There was no way–after anyone listening to the tapes released by the media–that the Sheriff could NOT do nothing to his son. That’s another reason I am skeptical of this investigation. JMO
i dont see tommy as having any motive at all, beyond maybe helping little sis cover up….only exception to that would be he and cuz Joe going over there to rob the MH and something going very very wrong….but Tommy doesnt strike me as a sex offender type and i have pretty good radar. Joe does maybe…but sex offenders dont typically get this radical as to kill or steal a child they have access to….
mrsm you would know that effect so much better than me. I would think that if she was still high she would have went out as soon as Annette
Skyes left. I just for the life of me do not understand why any child would be having dinner of the fron porch in FEb. at 7:30 in the
evening. This is NE Florida Feb is cold and it’s dark outside. I thought that maybe Tommy and Misty had put them out there so they could
smoke a joint.
Even Tommy denied Ron having anything to do with it. Remember to Granny ….
ky mom said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:37 pm What do you think happened to lil Haleigh?
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thank you for asking…
I believe it was stranger abduction..
possibly a local SO, they were all cleared way to fast imo.
or an unknown perpetrator working for MS.
I still go back to the 911 tape Misty sounds genuinely agitated but then the 911 operator asks her “What’s the numeracal?” This seems to confuse Misty ” Numerical?” her tone changes to normal and then she’s agitated again talking about HaLeigh! It’s like crying on cue!
OJ, ya know buddy part of me really wants to believe stranger abduction…mostly because i really feel for Misty and beleive she never meant for any harm to come to Haleigh. I dont think Ron did either, though i think he is a POS. However, the thing that keeps me from buying into this theory is Misty and Ron themselves. It’s how they responded to the whole thing.
I don’t know about the sexual predator
thing with Tommy. Those kids have been drug
from pillar to post. You don’t know what they saw as children. I feel bad for them when the cousin visited misty and talked about the children had been split up and Tommy and Timmy would cling to each other. I have to think that Hank and Lisa was out bingeing and the kids were farmed out to family members. Can
you imagine Flo Hollars as a grandmother.
But what about Steven K Brown solving the case? Why is there so much talk about HaLeigh overdosing, or Ron or Tommy doing it, when he says that it was someone who is still at large?
We know Tommy has done several burglaries all by himself. In one of the police reports the neighbors say that Tommy walks around the neighborhood at all hours (paraphrasing). I would not put it past Tommy to have been doing a robbery and it went wrong OR he took Haleigh in a plan to exchange her for drugs/money from Ron.
Tommy has a history of violence and had an order of protection against him on behalf of his own child. Austin said in his own words, he is afraid of his dad. Lindsy knows what Tommy is capable of.
Robin,I think LE may want the focus on Misty as they build their case on the real culprit(s), who are feeling like they are untouchable at this time!
If tommy was a sexual predator he could continue to have access to his victim and have no need to kill her….it happens all the time.
Lillymae, I too get a little confused on who had the van. So let’s throw some questions out there to FROM DAY ONE BLOGGERS
Did Chelsea have the van in Gainesville and through the evening?
How did Lindsy get to school if Chelsea had the
van?
Did Lindsy ride Tommy’s truck to school?
didnt misty’s lawyer say recently that she told everything she knows to LE when she was arrested for the drugs and that they told her to keep quiet for the time being, and that he, her lawyer feels it is unfair for her to continue to keep quiet when she is being vilified in the press?? that would me she told LE something we do not yet know…which also means SHE KNOWS what happened to Haleigh…or at least told another tale
mrsm, ok I get that not all predators are murders. Ok do you think that Tommy could have
been high. Went back to steal more and Haleigh saw him. Tommy could get violent. He was not all that nice to Lindsy when she didn’t say what he wanted to hear.
Lillymae said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:43 pm OJ’s glove said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
WhyLie said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:24 pm OJ I remember WBG taking the girls to a house of Mexicans so he could pimp out Lindsey.
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right, but I think they were refered to as
“THE mexicans”..as a gang name.
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OJ, I do not believe that the mexicans were gang members. It was also mentioned about the mexicans being laborers (some illegals). And at one point I had found where some of them work (in the orange fields somewhere in & around Crescent City)
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yep, I very well could be wrong..I’ve read the gang story only once but listening to the tapes I did notice the reference to “THE mexicans” which seemed stated as a title.
I’ll run a search on jax and see if anything pops up.
I’m onboard with Whylie tonight. If Tommy did it we will never know. Tommy is not going to
rat on Tommy. Has anybody looked t Lindsy’s myspace or facebook lately
its sad that croslins have such a prob with DR shopping and smokin oxycontin. Look at Lisa she must have been doing them ALONG time. Misty just following in her familys footstpes. sad. so many people die from that addiction.
and you know what I bet about Joe is he wanting to get in on the drug deals. you can make a killing on those oxys in TN where he is from.
Tommy is the controlling type with females (like Ron) but i dont think he would harm Haleigh in a rage any more than i think Ron or Misty would …i dont think Haleigh waking up and catching him in the act of stealing would be a big enough issue either…he could play that off to ron like Haleigh was confused about when he was there or what he was doing…not a motive for murdering a kid IMO
Anyone willing to comment on Steven K Brown and how he has solved the case? Did he solve it? Why do you or don’t you think he knows?
Alexandria Loring said,in June 17th, 2010 at 9:51 pm I still go back to the 911 tape Misty sounds genuinely agitated but then the 911 operator asks her “What’s the numeracal?” This seems to confuse Misty ” Numerical?” her tone changes to normal and then she’s agitated again talking about HaLeigh! It’s like crying on cue!
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I agree,in my opinion she was coached on what to say,and they knew from TN being a dispatcher,the ??’s they would be asked,but they didn’t know Misty wouldn’t know what that was,numerical? It threw her off!
and her voice went to regular because thats the only part they didn’t practice,jmo!!!
WTH hangs up on 911 twice,especially if your childs gone? jmo
I got the feeling that the Mexicans that WBG took them to were laborers. They were happy to pay for a “girl” for sex. I think it if was the Mexican Mafia they would have their own girls, and definitely wouldn’t let some strangers into their house, imo.
I think I know,he’s a dang nut Cate! lol jmo
Yes MRSM,they did! She was told to be quiet!
Alexandria–I hope you are right about LE. I think too many people have been overlooked with their primary focus being Misty this whole time. The SOs being cleared within days. Someone–anyone–could have come in that MH. Did they take both doors when LE investigated, or just the one propped open? Did they dust the windows for fingerprints, which would be another entry point in the house? I just don’t think anyone of those in jail did this. Why would they? Why now? Ron and Misty were not together that long for Misty’s undying devotion (or for her to cover him) and Misty was nothing but a babysitter/lover for him (in my opinion). I think Ron married Misty because of all the age difference talk (statutory rape) from the media/public. I do think Misty cared for Ron but not enough to cover up harming Haleigh and going down for it. No, if Misty knew something she would have talked by now. Misty knows nothing in my opinion. Maybe Ron did not like all of us thought he should but I do not think he harmed his daughter. I have to hope that the people that loved Haleigh could not be responsible for harming her. I just have a gut feeling that LE has overlooked someone–and its not the ones in jail. JMO
cathyjo, I can’t even begin to understand Ronald Cummings. He is the a sicko….I tell you the day I spent watching Ron videos made me see him in a totally different light. HIs mother talks about how smart he is. Smart my azz. Ron is a bully, I tell you what if Misty had been my daughter Ron would have been put on the road. Ron took advantage of a girl from a bad home. She thought his behavior was normal. He was more violent than she imagined
but she thought she could love him enough to change him. She then got afraid to leave him.
Misty has no self esteem.
mrsm, then who do you think did it. I take it
stranger abduction? Maybe!!!!!!!!!LE Stated that in Feb 2009. If that’s the case we will never know unless it’s a fluke or someone as a deathbed confession
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 17th, 2010 at 10:06 pm Anyone willing to comment on Steven K Brown and how he has solved the case? Did he solve it? Why do you or don’t you think he knows?
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maybe he thought they had a frame in the bag and went sour?
Looks like a lot of folks are thinking along the stranger abduction theory now. I tell you
that baby life will never be celebrated if that’s the case. How sad.
didnt anyone think it was odd that the sheffields knew Jeremiah before he came to FL? he moved here Right before Haleigh went missing.
She also told him she was proud of him on the jail tape? shhhhheeeeeeeeesh!
I know people don’t want to hear that but I never wanted to think it myself either,but after awhile,theres nothing else you can do since he’s lied,and defended Misty from day one,he knew she’d just left and came back,so how did he know if it weren’t Misty who did anything,well My God,it coulda been somebody she was out with then,but he never even asked her once? went straight to defending her,Daddys don’t do that,sorry but jmo……
I agree with krislyn on the Steve Brown. He just wanted his name in the hat for the reward money. Steve Brown doesn’t know much more than we do.
what about the 2nd call to 911 from misty after ron hung up on the 911 dispatch? didnt she say I dont wanna do this?I was trying to make out what she was saying.
CathyJo, what has SKB done makes you think he’s a nut?
KrisLyn, why framed and not real?
It was a stranger alright,dressed in a mask and black! jmo wait and see……..
Came out saying he solved it and went into hiding,LoL lUCY!!!!!!
COOP said,in June 17th, 2010 at 10:23 pm I agree with krislyn on the Steve Brown. He just wanted his name in the hat for the reward money. Steve Brown doesn’t know much more than we do.
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I really cant help to wonder why Wayanne kruger came in the picture. I think she knew the regans too? I think cobra did too. before all this happend.
what about the way it seemed like naynay went to jail maybe was persuaded to write a letter to frame WBG and Misty. I think ALOT of this mixed mess has to do with who knows who on the inside.who has the most power and money strings.
Goodnight Ladies and Gentlemen.. I hope we will get some news tommorrow. It’s Friday after
all. Looks like when they did the phone call releases.
CathyJo63 said,in June 17th, 2010 at 10:26 pm Came out saying he solved it and went into hiding,LoL lUCY!!!!!!
HAHA
One last thing any news from Jan57 today! I think it’s her test in Charleston!!!
Remember her and BIO in you prayers tonight
Went into hiding? You mean didn’t have anything more to say? Oh yeah, no arrests, were expected in a few weeks. OK, I get your point. I think.
I am going to go hide in my bed. G’nite, all, keep the faith, prayers for HaLeigh and the rest.
OPERATOR: Spell your last name.
CROSLIN: Stop.
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)…the phone.
CROSLIN: Ouch…you’re hurting me, I just woke up.
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)
COOP said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Looks like a lot of folks are thinking along the stranger abduction theory now. I tell you
that baby life will never be celebrated if that’s the case. How sad.
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Not I. Too much has been revealed in Tommy’s conversation with Hollar for me to go with a stranger abduction. No explanation for the van being damaged. And everyone telling different stories about what went on that night. And none of them knowing nothing. Why? What does John Merchant know? Why was RC & MC so friendly with him? Why isn’t someone yapping about the fate of HaLeigh at least in order to get their drug trafficking sentences reduced. Its got to be something or someone/s that they all fear. Someone they fear more than a RC.
cATE,i WAS JUST BEING FUNNY WITH IT I GUESS,i THINK HE’S A NUT BECAUSE HE COMES OUT BRAGGING HOW WELL HE DID,AND THEN nOTTA!
I think Steve Brown was singularly focusing on Misty. I think all his investigating is suspect to me, as well as Tommy’s lawyer, for the Shell Harbor search. First of all what lawyer let’s his client talk to an investigator before LE? And to talk about LDT results (before talking to LE)? What evidence did Tommy give to Steve Brown, then to give to LE for that expensive search? And what did they promise Tommy? I can guarantee that they promised Tommy something for the information (even though LE said they would not give plea deals)? I do think it was a stranger abduction, but I believe it will be no stranger to LE. I believe LE has overlooked this person and may have cleared him early on.
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)…quit f—ing playing games. I’m a f—ing kill somebody.
OPERATOR: OK. Well tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.
CROSLIN: What’s her date of birth?
CUMMINGS: Her f—ing date of birth is we need to find her, f— her date of birth.
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Even that does it for me,He was threatening her in the background,and then he says,someone has a f’n key? total show if you ask me! jimo
then tells cobra it was picklocked? or whatever,crowbar! He’s full of it i tell ya! lol
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)…They can’t call my phone, I don’t know where it’s at.)
OPERATOR: Don’t mess with the door or anything.
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he was on his phone with TN?? WHAT HE SAID!
Quit playing games he says and she’s on 911!!
pure bs! imo
CROSLIN: Umm…we were just, like, you know, it was about 10 o’clock. We were, she was sleeping, I, ___>we was cleaning.<——
everybody left?? bbl guys
They had two phones–Misty had one and Ron had one. Why wouldn’t Ron call his mother? I know that would be one of the first calls I made considering she lives close by. Misty calls 911 and Ron calls his mother. That to me is not suspect at all.
LadySadie said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Ah, but CathyJo, we don’t know if Tommy really stole the gun, it could have been Lisa. Tommy and Lisa were together at the mans house, Lisa stole this mans checks, forged his name and used those checks. Lisa and Hank Sr. returned the gun to the man, and Lisa “said” Tommy stole it. Hmmm, with a mother like Lisa who needs enemies?
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But the gun was in the man’s bedroom and he said Tommy was the only one that went in the bedroom, if I’m not mistaken.
Geraldo: So Tim is it not a fact tat Misty failed all the tests that you gave her?
Tim: well ah she failed all the tests that she wanted ah you know she really caught me by surprise when she said she wanted to be cleared and she was tired of police saying that she held the key and it kind of put me in a terrible awkward position and I spent 12 days with her and Ronald and um some just amazing things were said even by Ronald that just ah you know makes me question both of them at this point in time.
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Tim: and um I don’t know if he is protecting Misty but he is really slowing the investigation down and Misty ya know I’m not at rest here after all but you know after spending 12 days with them people my head was just spinning
Geraldo: I bet I bet Tim thanks
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Robin,TN said he was on the phone with her when Misty was on 911 too!
Lillymae said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
COOP said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Looks like a lot of folks are thinking along the stranger abduction theory now. I tell you
that baby life will never be celebrated if that’s the case. How sad.
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Not I. Too much has been revealed in Tommy’s conversation with Hollar for me to go with a stranger abduction. No explanation for the van being damaged. And everyone telling different stories about what went on that night. And none of them knowing nothing. Why? What does John Merchant know? Why was RC & MC so friendly with him? Why isn’t someone yapping about the fate of HaLeigh at least in order to get their drug trafficking sentences reduced. Its got to be something or someone/s that they all fear. Someone they fear more than a RC.
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I would fear Johnny Sheffield….big time
at the same time?
What I am saying is,he was just on it with his mom how did he lose it?
I would too Vaq!!!!!
KrisLyn said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
COOP said,in June 17th, 2010 at 10:23 pm I agree with krislyn on the Steve Brown. He just wanted his name in the hat for the reward money. Steve Brown doesn’t know much more than we do.
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I really cant help to wonder why Wayanne kruger came in the picture. I think she knew the regans too? I think cobra did too. before all this happend.
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Well according to Wayanne Marie called her for help.Now who put a bug in her ear to call Wackanne I do not know. She said she first met the Regan’s at Penny’s(I think that was the store) It’s hard to tell with her if what she’s saying is truth and what she thinks happens since she’s changed her story so many times.
just way to many things about their actions,Not normal for anybody who has nothing to worry about,and especially a dad,if my g/f lost my child,she’d find her in a hurry!Think of all the things they have lied about from day one,and all the people who are obviously lying and covering up,ron had no way of knowing for sure,but even on Greta he tells her to look at the camera,its BS! still jmo
CathyJo63 said,in June 17th, 2010 at 7:17 pm Hey mrsm,Long time no finger…..lol
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Oh there you are mrsn!!!!!
Did you get the supplies I mailed to your daughter?
its odd to me too,when Misty tells 911,no the door isn’t messed up,then ron in the background loud and clear says,somebody had a key,its turned sideways,thats b/c imo misty had already said it wasn’t busted open,he just didn’t think of that! jmo again,lol
brb find sommin again,lol
mrsm said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
If tommy was a sexual predator he could continue to have access to his victim and have no need to kill her….it happens all the time.
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unless Haleigh said she was going to tell her daddy.
I don’t think any thing could convince me that Ron had anything to do with this, unless he came out and admitted it.
They may of been looking at Misty this whole time, but NOT as a suspect, but as someone who might of known what happened. They don’t suspect Ron either. He may be a rotten personality, but I don’t think he did anything to Haleigh.
However, I think this theory is very possible and I hope LE is looking into it…..
So, the Mexicans that NayNay was talking about that wanted to get with Misty and NayNay and they said no,…is it possible that they promised the Mexicans some drugs if they let them off the hook for sex? Maybe NayNay brought them over to Misty’s trailer that night to get high. Joe and Tommy leave in the van to go score some drugs. The Mexicans see opportunity (Ron at work, Misty home alone with two kids). So maybe, later, they return, knock and Misty opens the door. They come in and take advantage of Misty (she passes out), and then take Haleigh with them. (meanwhile Joe and Tommy are so high still). Joe drops off Tommy at Misty’s and Joe goes back to Timmy’s and parks the van, falling asleep in his clothes. Tommy then probably knocks on the trailer real loud, but no answer. So he goes home. Misty is still passed out. When she wakes up, Haleigh is gone. She sets up the back door to look like a stranger abduction. (911 tape..truth is in the lie…the door wasn’t like that when I was asleep)
Misty certainly can’t tell Ron what happened! She would have to tell him the story about the Mexicans and NayNay and the drugs, etc. And she would never admit this stuff. Ron would hate her. She is feeling guilty about letting them in the house, thus feels guilty that Haleigh was taken. However, she Was Asleep when they took her. I think they were the men in black. I think Misty is so filled with guilt, that she has blocked this out. She was feeling forgiven when Ron married her. All Ron and TN knew is that she was overwhelmed with guilt. Misty acts like someone who is 17. Her love for Ron is so important to her, she got his name tattoo’d on her to prove it.
She did love those kids, but I think she used bad judgment that night. She can’t handle the guilt she has, as indirectly, she is responsible.
She is right when she says she doesn’t know who took Haleigh, but it may be because she doesn’t know the names or where they are, but she still knows in a way. (thus the LDT discrepancy).
Misty is now looking for forgiveness from God.
Vaq–Johnny Sheffield scares me too. The Sheffields have basically moved undetected since this whole thing started. They have been way too quiet and I do not understand that, considering the media deluge at the beginning. But their character assassination of Ron is complete. He will be behind bars for the near future and they have Jr–a win win situation in my opinion. Believe me I have not overlooked the Sheffields at all.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 17th, 2010 at 10:24 pm CathyJo, what has SKB done makes you think he’s a nut?
KrisLyn, why framed and not real?
Well from one of the scenarios I think may of happened, Steve was hired from a connection to get this frame done. All along to me I see them trying to frame someone and it blowing up in their face. ( if the Family abduction took place) I think what we see on the news is not really the truth Alot of the time. drives me crazy.
If it were real there would be some arrests made I think already.
robin
I agree what Lawyer tells you to say all that and then so Oh I dont represent you in that part of it all. so Tommy better get another attorney if you ask me. Werter and Brown are prob Buds.
My other theory, does involve Ron, but not directly in harming Haleigh….
When they asked Misty if Ron could be involved, she failed that part of the LDT. I think this is because perhaps Ron had Misty dealing some drugs out of the MH. He may of sent over a drug connection to buy some dope from her. Maybe she sent Tommy and Joe on a Misty passed out. Ron calling over and over to see if the drug deal went down or not. Meanwhile Haleigh dissapears). When Misty wakes up, Haaleigh is gone. Misty calls to Tommy’s looking for him and she calls Timmy’s looking for Joe.
She doesn’t know who has Haleigh or who took her (this is her statement), but it shows she is lying, because she has an idea of who it could of been. Ron is pissed and asks her how could you let my daughter get stole??? Meaning “I trusted you to do the drug deal while I was at work, and look what you let happen”. “I will kill the MF”. So, Ron threatens the guy who came over for the drug deal and the guy denies doing anything to Haleigh. Ron doesn’t want LE involved, because they will find out about the dealing. So, the guilty party turns to Tommy or Joe. Misty is still confused, because she was sleeping. Misty doesn’t call 911 either at first, because of this. What would she tell them? “Oh, this guy was here buying some drugs from me, etc. etc.”? No. So, Ron makes her call 911 and say the back door was open and Haleigh is gone.
I think they put Ron in GP so he could get the word on this guy and see what he could find out through the jail snitches. LE is not ruling out this senario, I don’t think. It’s possible that Misty is covering for Ron (sending over the guy), Ron is covering for Misty (for dealing the drugs) and Tommy is just confused.
Just more thoughts.
Sorry, should say “Maybe she sent Tommy and Joe on a dope run. Misty passed out.
where is everybody tonight,no one on the articles,shux,guess I’ll talk to the same 3 walls again,rofl
I am hitting the sack, not much sleep last night and I was up early and now it’s late.LOL
enjoyed the laker game and then a movie “the green zone”..its ok if you like war/political movies..
g’nite
I don’t believe JO was at the MH that night. I think Tommy was but not JO.
Good Morning, WhyLie. Any reason you can articulate or just a feeling (about JO not being at the home that night)?
Morning Cate…
Cate, JO was questioned very early on, first days, by the FBI, the car searched, his clothing taken, LE got nothing. In fact Hardy cleared him until the Croslins kept throwing JO under the bus in the media. I think that Chelsea would have known or heard if the van left since she was up late doing paperwork.
I think the Croslins were to quick to throw JO under the bus. JO means nothing to the Florida Croslins. They threw JO under the bus to protect one of their own, Timmy, Tommy, or Misty.
JenM @ 11:28pm Meaning, “I trusted you to do the drug deal while I was at work, and look what you let happen”.
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If that possibly happened then maybe Misty was trying to make it up to Ron By taking him on a few drug buys that she arranged. This to show him that she’s not a complete screw up!
Good morning everyone
Good Morning tm39! I’m not sure anyone else is here!
I have not been able to stop in for a few days. Anything new?
No! I think everyone is hoping since it’s Friday that maybe some new tapes will be released!
Morning alex!
I was wondering if any one has heard anything or is it still quiet?
New tapes? HMMMM Like those have helped any. I was hoping that we would be seeing an arrest.
Still quiet! I think the next thing to go to court is june 28 on Tommy’s divorce! But maybe we’ll hear something before then!
Nothing new that I have heard texasmommy.
An arrest would be nice but I don’t think it’s imminent unless it’s for more drugs!
So have we narrowed down the poi list or is it still all the top contenders?
I would of thought with all the great minds and slueth abilities that have came together here it would be an easy task to eliminate the innocent and we could focus on the guilty.
Alex, I think even if they get an arrest they are going to be hard pressed to get a conviction on any of them (regarding Haleigh) with so many lies and stories, unless they have actual hard core physical evidence.
Any decent defense attorney will be able to tear down each and every one of them should the state put them on the witness stand.
IMO it will be years before this case is solved if it ever is.
I think you may very well be right texasmommy.
Out of curiosity who do you two suspect?
I suspect Tommy. I am still flip flopping on the why and the what did he do with her part though. One minute I think he took her to trade her back to Ron in exchange for dope or money, never expecting it to explode or for Ron to call LE. I hate to think of Haleigh’s outcome if that is the case.
And then the next minute I think it is possible that Tommy was paid to get Haleigh by somebody else, JS comes to mind.
IMO if Tommy is involved he had to of had someone else to pass her off too. He was at his MH when LE arrived that night and HaLeigh was not found in or near the area. Also IMO it had to be before Lindsey retured fom school that night, because she is/wasshis alibi after 10. Also didnt he have his kids that night also?
It is kinda wierd that the Croslins and Cummings where accounted for by 5 am, before the Sheffields.
texasmommy, I think Lindsy is rethinking her alibi for Tommy that night. And the first dog on scene did track down Tyler St that night but it was redacted from the initial police report.
Goodmorning all, Anything new?
WhyLie- I totally agree.
My list of suspects in alphabetical order: Annette S.
Chelsea C.
Crystal S.
Johnny S.
Marie G.
Misty C.
Ron C.
Sex Offender
Some other dude
Teresa N.
Timmy C.
Tommy C.
Eliminated
Hank C. SR
Joe O.
Lindsy C.
Lisa C.
We don’t know When Haleigh went missing.
We don’t know How Haleigh went missing.
We don’t know if Haleigh is dead or alive.
We don’t have any evidence.
We don’t have any persons of interest.
We don’t have any suspects.
We have a whole lot of theories, speculations, assumptions, corruptions and lies, lies, lies.
We are still at day one of Haleigh going missing.
JenM, I agree.
JenM, my thinking is Haleigh was taken between 10:30 and 11:30 based on Misty going to sleep at 10, Ron being expected to get off work at 12, Lindsy not getting home until about 10:15, and Tommy putting himself at the MH during that time frame.
WhyLie posted the other day that if it has anything to do with drug dealers she thought that Nay Nay should be looked at. I agree with that. Barbara Freeman stated to Cobra that she did not think Nay Nay had anything to do with it. Nay Nay is a sweet girl Barbara said. Donnie holds their daughter over Nay Nays head to get her to do what he wants. Ron said that noone else besides Nay Nay knew where he lived. Just a thought. Donnie is referred to in the tapes to be in with the big time drug dealers.
lfj- Do you think Nay Nay could or would keep where they live a secret?
JenM and lfJ, Yes! The other day I went back to BNN conversation Day 1 and it is identical to that on ANY day since then, give or take an “Event!” LOL!!
besides isn’t that a little town, easy to find where someone lives!
I agree WL, but she could of been gone from 8 that evening too. We just don’t know for sure. We only know what misty has told us. LFJ, Ron says no one but NayNay knew where he lived, but again he may be lying.
It’s just so hard to take any of them at their word. I think that is why this has not gotten solved. Nothing matches up, and who knows who is lying or not.
NO I don’t. Nay Nay was staying with the Croslins after Misty came back from Tenn. Nay Nay was was with Misty when she was at Charles Jones Jrs. Nay Nay called Misty on the morning of FEB 10th and Misty told her she could not talk that LE had her phone tapped.
I think when Tommy’s sentencing hearing comes around we may be surprised and find some news. All of the charges against Tommy are being wrapped up almost all together. The Grand Theft charged plead down to Trespassing - settled with time served and a small fine of $238, the possession charges and the trafficking charges wrapped up in the same plea bargain that he will get sentenced for in July. This brings me right back to my original “theory”.
After Haleigh got home from school Ron and Misty were arguing, Haleigh step in trying to get daddy to calm down, he hits her and knocks her down, she hits her head. Ron won’t take her to the ER because he is already in enough trouble with DCF and both children would probably be taken from him. He has to go to work because he has already had some problems there and he could lose his job if he missed. All the early calls from Ron to Misty were checking on Haleigh’s condition, at some point Ron calls his mom to have her go over to the MH. Either Teresa or Ron tells Misty to give Haleigh something to calm her down or help with the pain (probably either Teresa’s Oxy or something Ron had at the MH). Between the head injury and the drugs Haleigh dies. Now they are in cover up mode. Misty calls Timmy (remember Timmy is the oldest brother and Misty at times lived with Timmy and Chelsea, so they are like surrogate parents to her). Timmy is sleeping because he has been in an accident the day before and on pain meds, Chelsea answers, wakes up Timmy. Timmy and Joe head over to the MH and on the way stop and pick up Tommy. Teresa talkes them into getting rid of Haleigh because Misty is involved as it could have been the drugs that Misty gave Haleigh that killed her, even if it was the head injury the drugs would still show up in Haleigh’s system if they report it as an accidental death. To protect Misty they agree. While the boys are disposing of the body, Teresa and Misty are busy cleaning the MH and making sure all the drugs are gone (Teresa most likely took them and hid them somewhere else). I also think they gave Jr something to make him sleep because you never hear him in any of the commotion when the 911 call was finally made. Teresa came up with the “someone stole my daughter” plan, Ron makes sure to work late, giving him an alibi and in the mean time Misty really does fall asleep from exhaustion. Ron has to wake her when he gets home (explains the “your hurting me” and the “I just woke up”) to carry out the 911 call plan. Teresa is waiting somewhere close by for Ron’s call to let her know the 911 call has been made.
Now after LE is called in somethings just aren’t adding up for them, Teresa/Ron realize they need someone to verify that Haleigh was seen after Ron went to work. Enter Great Grandma Sykes, remember it was 9 days after Haleigh went missing that she suddenly remembered that she had been at the MH between 7pm and 7:30pm the very night that Haleigh went missing, Annette is going to cover for her “baby” Ron at this point because there is nothing she can do for Haleigh but there is something she can do to keep her “Ron” out of trouble.
I think Tommy may have made a deal for immunity in his part of this and told all he knows and we could be hearing about it right around the time his sentencing hearing comes up.
JenM I agree with you again. All of their lies are hindering this case. These are people that say they love Haleigh, but not enough to lay it all out on the line for her. It is truely the saddest thing I have ever seen.JMO
That’s interesting! Did Misty beleive her phone was tapped or did LE tell her they were tapping her phone in case a call came in for a ransom?
LadySadie that is a very good theory and could very well be possible. The trained experts along with Cobra are pretty much stating what you are. They all think this happened before Ron went to work. He went to work to make sure he had strong alibi. He made sure he was seen in the break room for lunch, which was not normal for him. The surveillance tape from the store on the hill.
Pat Brown has heard but has not been confirmed that there is a hole in the fence at PDM where there are no cameras aand workers could leave the premesis without being seen. You can find this info on her April blog talk show where they are analyzing the 911 tape. I found it yesterday by accident.
I don’t think there is a lot of people who know what happened to Haleigh. I think a few know and now one of them is coming clean, and that would be Tommy. I think he is spilling the truth (ahem) right now to LE and they are honing in.
It could be as simple as Haleigh being kidnapped by some druggies and Tommy and Misty witnessed it.
It could be as simple as Misty had some guys over that night, passed out and when she woke up Haleigh was gone. She didn’t want Ron to know.
Etc…
I just don’t think there was this big elaborate plan by these people to ‘dispose’ of Haleigh and her body.
When Tommy says to Misty, “tell what you know, stop protecting Ron”…I think that means stop protecting Ron from being hurt when he finds out the truth. And that being that she had people over to the MH that night. Misty keeps saying how F’d up Tommy and Joe were. It’s if she is trying to plant it in our minds that they don’t recall anything. (I was thinking the total opposite this whole time).
Anyway, just a different way to look at it.
I think if Haleigh was not there at bedtime, if she went missing earlier in the evening, Jr would have told. He was nearly 4 years old. He would know if his sissy was in bed that night or not.
looking for Justice said,
in June 18th, 2010 at 9:40 am
NO I don’t. Nay Nay was staying with the Croslins after Misty came back from Tenn. Nay Nay was was with Misty when she was at Charles Jones Jrs. Nay Nay called Misty on the morning of FEB 10th and Misty told her she could not talk that LE had her phone tapped.
And Nay Nay was said to have been present in the courtroom during Hope Sykes pretrial hearing and left the courtroom
looking for Justice said,
in June 18th, 2010 at 9:40 am
NO I don’t. Nay Nay was staying with the Croslins after Misty came back from Tenn. Nay Nay was was with Misty when she was at Charles Jones Jrs. Nay Nay called Misty on the morning of FEB 10th and Misty told her she could not talk that LE had her phone tapped.
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It has also been said that Nay Nay was in the court room prior to Hope Sykes pretrial hearing and left the courtroom prior to the others pretrail hearing that was being held that day.
Is Nay Nay’s mother Lisa Brooks still on the run?
WhyLie, I honestly think they had to be giving Jr something to “help” him sleep. Misty has stated that after Haleigh went to school, her, Ron, and Jr went back to the MH and slept, that Ron picked up Haleigh at the bus stop and she stayed at the MH with Jr because he was sleeping, then that she put the kids to bed at 8 and Jr was sleeping. You never hear Jr in the commotion of the 911 call. No normal 4 year old sleeps that much. If Jr had already been regularly “dosed” to keep him sleeping and therefore controllable for Misty, he would have no idea what was going on around him.
WhyLie, I agree. I don’t think Ron did anything to Haleigh. That would mean that Misty lied about them watching movies, the grandma’s lied about seeing them eating on the porch that night when they came over, Jr. not telling that Haleigh wasn’t there, etc.
The Ron thing just does not add up for me at all. I think sometimes people develop a hate and an attitude for a person and then attempt to blame them for it all. I think LE did their homework on Ron and his work. I think he is in GP now to get info from the snitches about who might of done what to haleigh. He may of found out something too. I wish LE would give us an update.
Also, I think Misty says “I’d just woke up”, referring to how could she let his daughter get stole. I see no present tense in that sentence.
Also, I didn’t know a cell phone could be tapped. That’s news to me.
Sorry Phone call.
Misty is still on my radar and only because of the 911 call. IMO she is hiding something, he was more afraid of Ron than the possibilities of what might of happened to HaLeigh.
Tommy placing himself at the MH that night is interesting and the fact that he is the only one to have any information that obviously has given him an edge over the charges he was facing, but, is not considered a suspect.
For some reason I do believe that Nay Nay has something to do with HaLeigh’s abduction indirectly, but, IMO her role was vital.
Of course my theory since march 2009 has been this is a family abduction and was orchestrated by the Sheffield’s. Motive is $ and custody.
A few terms come to mind:
Biotch fight.
Blood pact.
LadyS, we only know that information about the naps, etc. because Misty told us. We don’t know for fact that Jr slept that much. I think it would be more likely that she propped him in front of the TV with his Disney movie while she napped or whatever. This is very typical of young people and parents today. I know a few that do this. The TV is their babysitter.
Ladie Sadie- The time line doesn’t seem plausible for her putting the kids to bed at 8 pm. Annete Sykes says she was over there at either 7pm or 7:30 pm. The children were still eating supper outside. The time for their interaction with grandma Sykes and finishing supper I don’t think they would have been ready for bed by 8pm!
LilyMae, Lisa Brooks is Amber Brooks mom.
We don’t really know if Jr went to sleep after Haleigh went to school. Misty and Ron could have been sleeping and Jr watching tv or movies.
I also think I heard Misty saying in an interview that Jr was in the living room watching something different then Haleigh, so Jr very well could have been the last one to go to sleep that night.
I also think that if Jr would have been given medicine he would have told.
LE had experts there to talk to Jr right away. I am sure they talked to him about what went on that night.
The problem is we just don’t know. Anything is possible.
IMO misty was not at home…. she was at Tommy’s getting HIGH.
IMO Nay Nay had loose lips.
IMO the Sheffields hatched a plan to put an end to their problem..Ron and new 17 year old girlfriend that Crystals children called MOMMY.
I think LadieSadie has a point. If something happened to Haleigh prior to Ron going to work and the fatality occured later then it is possible. Jr. would have seen his sister at home.
We do not know things as fact, but we have to go by what the persons involved state from their own mouths. Through this you will be able to find the inconsistencies if there are any.
JenM- Cell Phones can be tapped but someone would have to have access to your phone to download the software on it. If they accomplish that then everything, calls & text messages are at their fingertips!
Alexandria. my question is why was Misty so frantic that her cell phone was already tapped on the 10th of February?
Alexandria Loring said,in June 18th, 2010 at 10:09 am Ladie Sadie- The time line doesn’t seem plausible for her putting the kids to bed at 8 pm. Annete Sykes says she was over there at either 7pm or 7:30 pm. The children were still eating supper outside. The time for their interaction with grandma Sykes and finishing supper I don’t think they would have been ready for bed by 8pm!
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Tommy said on one of the tapes to Lindsy that Misty did not cook that night? so i dunno….just thought I’d throw it out there!
It was Nay Nay who said that when she called Misty after Haleigh was missing, she (Nay Nay) heard Misty’s sister (she must mean sister-in-law) tell Misty not to talk on the phone, it was tapped.
ofcourse tho if AS saw them eating,could have been sandwhich or something? just sayin
CathyJo you are right about that.
Do you know what time Lyndsey had to be at school that night?
good morning to all…
for a quick poll.. does ANYONE think that HaLeigh and Jr. were in the MH sleeping and Misty was just away partying? Or making a cigarette run?
Basically, NOT home when this happened
Misty said in the vla vid or hypnosis vid that she cooked and it took her approx 20 min. I believe it was something like hamburger helper.
I actually can see them worried about calls,I don’t like it any but they were into drugs so I would imagine they’d worry about the calls just b/c of that,Dealers are paranoid people.lol jmo!
lfj- How did she know it was tapped?
CJ- What did Aneete Sykes see them eating?
I’ll find it but i think IIRC,she didn’t have class afterall when she got there but a friend had to pick her up i believe arund 10,sec…ill fo find it~
TexasM, you know that I am right there with ya when it comes to the abduction by family. I don’t know for sure that CS was in on it or not, but I think her family thought her as a worthless parent too. I really think someone did it to protect Haleigh and still think they are her savior from all of this mess. Yes, they didn’t take Jr, but that is because Misty woke up in the middle of it and foiled the rest of the plan. So, CS went to work right away with Flaky Kim Picazzio to get Jr, by badmouthing Ron. All the while she was drugged out of her mind.
But I also think Misty most likely let some people in to the MH that night (most likely that NayNay showed up with). Misty passed out and when she woke up, Haleigh was gone. Its possible that Haleigh was put in NayNay’s trunk and taken to the river, just like her letter said. Maybe this was her way of getting the truth out there, and claiming it was a rumor, so she doesn’t directly rat out anyone? Who knows. But why would she put that in a letter that she knows LE is going to read? I think whoever she was with might of used her car? Just more theories.
I also think Tommy was fooling around with NayNay that night. That’s another reason he kept quiet. But now Lyndsy knows the truth, so he has nothing to hide anymore.
I also think Ron has found out the truth too about Misty and her fooling around that night, so he is ready to throw her under the bus too.
But again, just more thoughts.
I will have to go back and listen to the vid, because if Misty is correct the children ate before 7pm.
I think Misty was home. Hey, I got my “theory” and I’m sticking to it, LOL.
From the egining the scene at the trailer seemed to be staged,but, IMO it wasthe abductor that made it appeare to be something that it was not. Just like… a murder and the guilty stole things to make it appear as if robbey was the motive not a personal crime.
IMO the crime that was commited was to appeare as if a sex offender came in and took HaLeigh not a family abduction. IMO it was brilliant … ho would suspect a family abduction if one child was left behind and the mother and immediate family is still around after the fact.
I can understand the motivation for a concerned mother to seek custody if she believed that the other parent or person was guilty of one child missing, but, IMO said Mother would not of taken the focus from the child that was missing and would of sought legal council to handle the family law issues behind closed doors till the return of or the finding of the missing child.
I also want to mention that we are aware of the extent of Crystals involvement prior to HaLeighs abduction and her legal right that she her sef admitted to not exccising.
So I wll ask you all does it seem uncharteristic of Crystal to all of a sudden become the concerned parent and warrent the actions that she and her mother took to rally the community and Country for funds that to this day have been unaccounted for and the slander campaigne against Ron and Misty before LE had the evidence or facts to develop a case against anyone? LE was ran around the bush with thousands of tips and not one has brought this case to logical conclusion IMO. I keep remembering KP claiming she had wittnesses that where providing tips and heck they even had their own linefr tip so that they could pas thmalng to LE.
The problem we have here is that all the theories are probable and possible but what really happened to Haleigh?
hm that same article is on cayleedailycom also
I think if Misty wasn’t home she would have broke down with that info a long time ago.
tm39- I agree Crystal wasn’t the greatest mom, but perhaps Haleigh going missing was awake up call and out of guilt for not being the greatest mom wanted to make sure nothing happened to jr. As to the money making events, I can’t imagine why families do that, I feel embarassed for the families who do that, it should be the community coming together to help in that way, not the families they should be concentrating on their loved ones.
Sorry,had to get the phone too,but every site i have searched has that same article when i google lindey??
this is what is needed:
phone documents from that day from ALL: Ronald, Misty, Tommy, Joe, NayNay,Teresa,Lindsy, Timmy….
LIE detector results:
interviewing of neighbors
video tapes from convenient store… Ronald’s TIME card….
what time did Misty get to the MH to babysit…?
what time did the great grandma come to deliver the laundry?
was it dark out? were the children being fed? what were they eating?
Just found out LE can tap cell phones without accessing the phone directly but they do need a warrant!
Hi everyone Goodmorning.
I have a question if anyone can answer from a video I watched on youtube.
A question was asked.. Why wasnt the Mobil HM a crime scene if Haleigh died there as Tommy said?
Did the great grandma really come over that evening to deliver laundry? If so why did she only remember it 9 days later?
looking for Justice said,
in June 18th, 2010 at 10:09 am
LilyMae, Lisa Brooks is Amber Brooks mom.
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Thanks looking fro Justice. I knew that, but got all these supposed to be mothers mixed up.
I do’t know what they were eating,lol sorry
Also in one AS says she dropped the laundry off and Misty took it,then she says she helped her carry it in?? Imo,AS is a liar…….jmo
iltsm- You don’t hear much from neighbors! How far apart are the homes there?
Re: Dorothy Annette Sykes
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 10:54:35 AM »
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Video: WFTV Talks to HaLeigh’s Great Grandmother
http://www.wftv.com/video/18748628/index.html
Annette Sykes is Haleigh’s great grandmother. She said people should be searching for the little girl and not shifting the focus to Misty.
“I know everybody makes a big deal, she’s only 17 and that’s true, but she’s a lot more mature than a lot of people that I have seen and that I know that are 25 and 30,” Sykes said.
Sykes remembers seeing Haleigh hours before she was abducted.
“She was sitting on the front porch when we drove up and junior was just sitting up there with a plate in the lap eating,” she said
LadySadie we have to remember that nobody was obligated to give out any info to media, only to LE. LE is using the time of AS’s visit as part of the timeline so I would imagine that LE knew about her going there and are satisfied that she did. Remember she did not go to the MH alone, she does have another witness that I am sure LE talked to and got a statement from.
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Re: Dorothy Annette Sykes
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2010, 12:09:52 PM »
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No Evidence Discovered thus far in Search for Haleigh Cummings
9/18/2009
At her home in Welatka, Haleigh’s paternal great-grandmother, Annette Sykes told First Coast News’ Jennifer Lindgren she’d gotten word of police activity in the Stokes Landing area south of Palatka.
Sykes says raced to the scene, to find deputies and investigators working in the woods. When Sykes questioned the investigators and asked if they were looking for Haleigh, she says they would not give her a yes or no answer, and told her she could not get any closer to the scene.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145240&catid=3
I don’t WhyLIe…. if she and Tommy where the only two together and she knows that she was only guilty of leaving the children alone, it is possible she would not tell on her self… but the (rat) Tomme told. He had nothing to loose and everything to gain by spilling the beans and telling on Misty. It also would explain why she is not being considered a suspect at this time, but, will be charged.
IMO Ron has known for some time that Misty was not home that night, but, for some reason he did not tell. My guess is that his affection for Misty clouded his judgment and it is why he was a target as ell in the drug sting and is now going to testify against Misty in the drug charges.
IMO all three of these families know the truth.
They are all guilty of keeping secrets that have cost HaLeigh over a year of a normal life and that is if she is still alive. IMO she could of very well be gone and it is directly related to her medical condition or the circumstances that she has been placed in and with whom.
I still would like to know what evidence was found that has given LE an indication that it is now a homicide case if they found no body.
Would it not have to be an item of HaLeigh’s? with blood on it? How son would a test come back that would test positive that it was Haleigh’s blood or belonging? Obviously LE is aware of certain items that was taken when HaLeigh was abducted or that Shell Harbor resident that witness a player; driving a silver/Grey van, dump something that could be identified as being linked to a crime against HaLeigh.
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They’re real close Alex! Alex,do you want the pic linx? you can see how close!
CJ- That’s the problem they’re all lying and I’m beginning to think they all can’t remember what the truth is anymore!
Lady,exactly and the person she claims came with her,hmmm where’d she go?? jmo
Cj- Yes I want the pic link! Haven’t you figured out how nosey I am by now?
Backyard Wedding for Haleigh’s Father and Teen Bride
“She was a beautiful bride,” said Annette Sykes, the great-grandmother of the missing five-year-old girl.
We spoke with Sykes shortly after the wedding. The ceremony took place in the backyard of her home.
“It was something bright and happy for a change,” said Sykes. “The happiest thing would be if Haleigh were to come home. But, they plan on when Haleigh comes home to have a big church wedding, and she can be the flower girl.”
The family spent the day preparing for the wedding, from the flowers to the wedding cake. Sykes says this was something the couple had always planned to do, and it’s what Haleigh wanted.
“They got married because they love one another. It’s time for something happy to happen.”
For now that’s what this day is to them, something good, as they wait for Haleigh to come home.
“After weeks and weeks of Haleigh being gone, plus all of the trashing that Ronald took, it’s just time for something good, just time for something good,” said Sykes.
Sykes says the couple was married by a notary public with only close family members present. She says the location of the ceremony was finalized late Wednesday night.
The couple flew to New York City to appear on The Today Show on NBC Friday morning, right after Good Morning Jacksonville. Sykes says they will also use that time for their honeymoon.
Ronald Cummings’ son will stay with his mother through the weekend while the couple is away.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133610&catid=295
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Gimme a break,She was mad at Misty just before but this day,BS….jmo
k Alex,1 sec.i’ll send,I am bouncing between 50 places,lol brb
If Tommy wanted to rat on Misty for not being home, if she had indeed gone over to Tommy’s, all he had to say was that Misty came over, what time, and if she had the children with her or not. He did not have to put himself at the scene of a missing child during the time period in question.
Tommy was trying to cover his own butt not Misty’s, imo, because there was talk of a red truck in the neighborhood that night.
Hi LadySadie.. maybe it was something she did every Sunday evening…
she did say she did the children’s clothes because she wanted to make sure that they were clean. She said she didn’t do Ronald’s or Misty’s…
not sure why she waited until several days later to comment… maybe they were asking for a timeline of events??
WhyLie- Tommy could cover his butt by saying he was around casing homes to rob! The way he has gotten off for the things he’s done amazes me!
sent Alex,there are pix of everything there,lol
Ilove,except TN said she HAD family go over there?
Alex, LOL, good point. He sure seems to be able to get away with those thefts.
Imo,she waited cause she didn’t know she’d seen Haleigh till there was no one else who did,jmo lol
WhyLie,TN truck was red!
I am sure LE was telling the family to be careful what they said to media and they (LE) preferred if the family didn’t talk to media at all. You can tell by the way the family sometimes skirted around questions that they were trying not to give out to much info.
I am sure Hardy cringed when Misty let it out about JO.
Alexandria.. it is a mobile home park.. people pretty much are on top of each other and windows are normally open in the summer evenings.. and I can guarantee SOMEONE heard SOMETHING…
even if it was Ronald coming home and raising hell!
Maybe neighbors are too afraid to say anything???
It is a mobile home community, not park. In a community the owner of the MH also owns the land which means the yards are bigger then in MH parks where the MH owner is only leasing the land.
Alex,You know I agree,I have went thru every tape,audio,transcript and it ain’t normal,every single time one of them tells a story,the other defends or says,oh yea i was mistaken,Grandparents,parents,family actually don’t do that!
AS came out with that after no one else seen Haleigh and after everyone said Misty was tired from druggin’then Tn later said she asked AS to go over,then she did their laundy but so did misty,come on!!!!!!
and now the person with AS aint talking,hmmmmm
None of it makes one ounce of dang sense and I’m sick of it!
They are blatantly lying! jmo
Anyone know if Lee Allen Sykes is related to Annette in anyway?
He was arrested on 1/22/2010 also for dealing in stolen property and burglery.
right WhyLie,but from the porch,pix?? you can see the others!
Forgot to say Lee Allen Sykes was arrested in Putnam County also.
ILove,exactly,even the family is!
AS told that basically,lol
Ron had a bad temper!
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Ronald Cummings
Cummings and his 17-year-old girlfriend had been together for a short time when Haleigh disappeared. They’d met months earlier in their Satsuma neighborhood and seen each other at the school bus stop at the end of Tyler Street where Haleigh was dropped off with Croslin’s nephew.
They had also talked when Croslin baby-sat Cummings’ youngest son, who lived with a former girlfriend. Croslin warned Cummings he needed to gain custody of the baby because she said the child’s mother was a drug abuser who would sometimes disappear and abandon the boy with whoever had him.
Soon Croslin was baby-sitting for Haleigh and Cummings’ 3-year-old son, Ronald Jr.
The two became a couple but the relationship was rocky on the Monday night that Haleigh went missing. Croslin spent the weekend partying, although she was home by the time Cummings went to work Monday evening. But Cummings was angry and repeatedly called her phone then called her brother that night, demanding to know where she was when he couldn’t get her on the phone.
Anger and a sense of remoteness had marked Cummings for years, said his grandmother Annette Sykes, who reared him and his sister until Sykes’ husband became debilitated by Alzheimer’s. Annette and Kirby Sykes had guardianship of the two children beginning when Ronald was 3. He moved out as his grandfather became increasingly ill and was back with his mother, Teresa Neves, in Sumter County by the time he was a young teenager.
After Cummings graduated from high school in Leesburg, he and his girlfriend moved back to Putnam County. They went to his grandparents in Welaka, where his girlfriend became pregnant, but Cummings had changed, his grandmother said.
“He just had a dirty mouth,” she said. “He was very disrespectful.”
She attributed his ill manners to a bad crowd but found that as her husband - the man Cummings called “Daddy” - worsened and died, her grandson changed, too.
“He doesn’t really want anybody to be close to him, I don’t think,” she said.
Cummings never saw much of his birth father, who lives in Putnam County, she said.
“Everything Kirby did at home, Ronald was right with him,” Sykes said. “Every step Kirby took.”
Cummings was never the same after his death in January 2002, she said.
From jail, Cummings said his grandfather had been a guiding force in his life.
“He taught me the basics, you know, be good to your women and your children,” he said. “Work.”
He said he learned right from wrong from his grandfather, and the importance of respect.
“I’m sure he wouldn’t be happy I’m in here, that’s for sure,” he said.
His most serious arrests started after high school.
In October 2001 he was arrested after a Crescent City man said he was threatened at a stoplight and told he would be killed.
He was charged with drug possession in 2002 and 2004, both times after drugs were found with him in cars.
Charges were never prosecuted, according to court records.
and there is a river or lake very close to this mobile home area….
dirt roads, etc…
pretty unincorporated
CJ- The homes are close! The van that’s in front of 116 Tyler, is that Lindsy’s? I know it says blue but it looks grey to me!
My way of thinking is…. Tomme is not LE suspect, fora reason even if he claims to of put himself at the MH. IMO LE knew Misty was not home and Tommy in his f!@#*% up way confirmed their suspicions and he did link himself to the events that night. IMO LE’s claim that Misty’s story was inconsistant with the evidence found in and around the MH also leads me to believe LE knew Misty was not at home based on the evidence, but, the evidence that they DO HAVE does not point to TOMME. IMO LE has been looking for the missing link all along and have needed the facts of Misty’s activities to move forward in one direction or another.
If Misty was not home, but, claims she was,how would that effect this investigation?
If the only three (Misty, Tommy, abductor) that knew Misty was not at home who do you think would tell?
This is IMO where this case has been since the begining, until recently.
Funny we are not hearing a peep out of anyone.
I wonder who is scared now? I hope it is LE that has many shaking and looking over their shouler now that the secrets are being revealed by those behind bars.
I am not sure which pic you mean Alex? sorry,lol i have seen em zillions but i don’t want to say w/o seeing the exact one you mean!
I went back and watched the raw video at wjxt.com of the hypnosis video.
John Gaspar asks Misty what kind of day Feb 10th, 2009 was. Misty gives accountability to Feb 9th, 2009. Misty says she cooked dinner at about 6pm it took 30 to 45 minutes and then they had just finished dinner when granny ( A.S.) came by at about 7PM. Misty states that Tommy was their with his children at about 5pm not sure of time exactly, but it was daylight outside. He asks Misty what movie she watched and she told him the children watched Airbud. They liked watching that movie over and over again. Then she mentions Madagascar.
In the beginning John Gaspar asked Misty what did she know about Hypnosis. Misty said to him that she had been told that they can make you say things you did’nt. At this point and time Misty has jad no contact with family in Satsuma due to the altercation on August6th,2009. Nay Nay was in jail. The only people she could have been told this by is Ron and his family or Timmy and Chelsea if she were still talking with them since Ronald made a formal harrassement complaint against Timmy for the phone calls.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 18th, 2010 at 10:44 am tm39- I agree Crystal wasn’t the greatest mom, but perhaps Haleigh going missing was awake up call and out of guilt for not being the greatest mom wanted to make sure nothing happened to jr. As to the money making events, I can’t imagine why families do that, I feel embarassed for the families who do that, it should be the community coming together to help in that way, not the families they should be concentrating on their loved ones.
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I hope so too but she has failed a drug test after she got him back sooooooooooo,just sayin!
Texas, you are so right.. it is EERILY quiet.. it’s almost like something is just going to explode!!
I think with the sentences of Hope and Donna.. the judicial system is just going to wait this out.. someone will be spilling something. I think it will be Tommy.. I think he and Misty are going to see who will spill it first…
My guess is Tommy will crack really soon… he is almost there….
It seems obvious that Lindsey has known something all along about what really happened the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, but how much she knew or whether she was involved remains to be seen. Lindsey was at Ronald Cummings trailer with her children playing and having dinner in the hours before Haleigh Cummings vanished. Two other people reportedly came to the trailer subsequent to Lindsey’s departure: her husband Tommy and Ronald Cummings’ grandmother Annette Sykes.
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The first time AS didn’t mention anyone with her,then she brings up a person and where are they? jmo
I think theres something to the shirt thing,If you remember……Jerry from the bus stop said ron almost plowed them down at the bus stop,ok later he asks ron…why did you almost plow over us at the bus stop,Ron says….my daughter was missin dude’??? Jerry says,no man that was tuesday morning when she went missing,ron says,oh i had to take her back home to change, she got something on her shirt?? Jerry knew better because he went in the wrong direction…….
OK NOW Misty said.they had to drive all the way to Palatka to get Haleighs outfit she wanted to wear to school that day………SO THEN seems to me Haleigh did not demand a certain outfit,she’d already been to the bus stop in the outfit???????
IMO He has sung already.
Tomme was the weakest link IMO. He had nothing to loose and everything to gain by telling all that he knew, that his attorney firmly states holds no responsibility (including accomplice to a crime or a cover up).
The River search was a red hearing IMO only because we as the public were left to speculate on everything except that LE did not find HaLeigh or do they have anyone arrested at that time for HaLeighs abduction/homicide.
A lot of these inconsistent stories were coming from LE themselves. Go back and read some of the local articles written in the first few days and see the erroneous information being given to them. Misty and Ron have tried several times to correct the misinformation but to no avail. I think it has been bred into us that IT has to be ONE of those people. I tend to disagree. I think someone was watching that MH and had been watching for quite some time. Wasn’t the nearest neighbor an SO that may or may not be related to the Sheffields? Could he have been watching the MH for Johnny or Marie (and rewarded financially for it)? How did Marie and Johnny know all the dealings that were going on in that MH? How did they know about the lock? That is something LE would have kept close to the vest so they can weed out the false confessors to the crime. The Sheffields have crippled this investigation also. The character assassination of Ron and information that should not have been put in the media was their fault. This very well could be a stranger abduction but we may never know because the constant mudslinging early on and since. The Sheffields are just as much to blame for the mess this investigation is in than the Croslins and Cummings are. I am not jumping on a bandwagon to say that Ron did this, Misty did it, Tommy did it, or Joe did it because LE says so. I look at the whole world as a suspect and I think I would start with the neighbors. 500 ft from that MH was an SO and to me that’s a little too close for comfort!
I wouldn’t bet on it,but I don’t doubt Misty has already told all!
I gotcha Robin……….I do but imo……why have they lied and defended so much?
If no one was guilty of anything?
CJ- Now I’m confused! Was Amber’s son living with Amber or with the grandma? Why would Misty tell Ron he needed to get custody of the baby if the grandma had custody?
If Misty felt the baby was in an unsafe environment she could have called DCFS but I still give her points for telling someone (Ron) about what was going on in the home!
Ron gets points for graduating from High School, but sounds like he had become disrespectful while living with TN.
What’s the age difference between Ron & Crystal? I’m assuming it’s Crystal who moved in with him back to A S home! If Crystal was still underage, I wonder why AS allowed her to be there!
is there a registered SO in that mobile home community?
While Misty is talking and giving her version of events, Ronald has his face turned. He is looking straight at her, as if to remind her to “stick to the script.”
At one point Ronald covers up his microphone and tells Misty to look into the camera. But Ronald wasn’t looking into the camera… Ronald was wanting to make sure that Misty was coming off as believable because Misty was the one who was there that night. He was “at work.” ::rolls eyes::
Ronald also corrects Misty in the interview. When Misty said Haleigh and Junior were sleeping 4 inches away from her. Ronald jumps in and says “they were sleeping four feet away.” There is a huge different between 4 feet and four inches! Also, how would Ronald know if he was at work that night?
In a later interview he gave HLN’s Nancy Grace, he told Grace that Haleigh, Ron Jr, and Misty were all sleeping in the same bed:
GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
How did it go from 4 inches, to 4 feet, to all in the same bed? How would Ronald know if he was at work?
Ronald even married Misty, knowing that she couldn’t get her story straight. He threw a big celebration with her where they ate cake, and spent time with family all the while his daughter was missing.
Does that scene jive with the 911 call where Ronald dramatically declares that he will kill whoever he abducted his child? If he was so worried, why did he marry Misty only a month after Haleigh vanished? What father of a missing child takes the time to marry someone, when his child has only been missing a month?
After the wedding Ronald Cummings, his new child bride and his family take off to New York for a little honey moon where they do an interview on the “Today Show.” Ronald told the Today Show that he did not want the focus on his wedding, that he wanted it on Haleigh. I have a huge problem that load of crap coming from Ronald Cummings.
1: If you want the attention on Haleigh why marry Misty?
2: If you want the attention on Haleigh why fly to New York while she is missing?
3: Why did you give NBC permission to film the wedding? While the interview with Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin was airing, pictures flashed across the screen of Misty and Ron eating cake, exchanging wedding vows, and celebrating. A big “TODAY EXCLUSIVE” was shown at the top of the screen.
4: I want to know if Ronald was given any money for the “TODAY EXCLUSIVE.” If so, where did that money go?
We know that Ronald took Misty out to eat, to the race tracks and took her out on the town all the while searchers were frantically searching for his daughter. We know that when it came time for Ronald to pay he would tell the waiter “Don’t you know who I am.”
Let’s be clear: Ronald Cummings is a sick , evil psychopath who used his missing child as a way to eat free meals and make tons of money. After his child went missing he got married and celebrated with his teen bride. All the while his childs body could have been decomposing in an alligator infested river.
Why marry her? To keep her quiet? To “keep her close” a quote many people attributed to him.
Ronald acted as if Haleigh was dead, and he acted like he wanted to get on with his life, take a listen to this interview where Ronald finds time to get a tattoo while his child is missing:
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She was Ambers babysitter??? Alex!
Ronald told the interview that he was tired of the media and that he “couldn’t do what he wanted to do.” What do you need to do? What is more important than finding your daughter, you idiotic dirt bag?
He complains about the camera in his face. MOST FAMILY MEMBERS OF MURDERED/MISSING CHILDREN would die for the media attention, not complain.
Ronald also bragged inside the tattoo shop about the money he was making.
How much more clear does it have to get? Ronald cared more about Misty, money, and “doing what he wanted to do.” Than he did his missing child.
Also instead of searching for his daughter, contining to try to keep her name out there like the parents of ther missing/murdered children such as Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway, and Mark Lunsford. Ronald Cummings decided to hook back up with Misty, and traffick drugs with her. I hate to even compare Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway and Mark Lunsford to a dirt bag, drug dealer like Ronald Cummings. They have been amazing advocates for their children, unlike Ronald Cummings.
While in jail on drug charges we learn that Ronald makes a friend. A woman by the name of Alecia Dunbar (hat tip to the posters on the Scared Monkeys forum especially BeatnicHippie who outted Alecia Dunbar.) Dunbar also has a weird fascination with Joran Vandersloot in the Natalee Holloway case.
CJ- The 20th picture down- the van looks grey but says blue van at 116 Tyler!
While he was at the tattoo shop TN was giving and interview and said ron was to broke to be there but he’s doped up 2 hrs away in a tattoo shop………
Don’t buy it,never will! lol Now thats my story..lol jmo guys,still love yas but I’m still fighting for Justice for Haleigh too!!
yes,Lindseys,Think they called it the croslin van,lol
Sorry Alex,Ambers mom has custody?
Ron and C are same age i believe,lol i think!
Too many things for me to ignore! jmo
OMG JAN!!!!!!!!
I didn’t see the video link name!!!!
Deletes it if you must???????
Beating this bush for over a year has become irritating, I am thinking we need to pull out the RAID. Them roaches would come out of hidding for sure.
I have a feeling we do not know 3/4 of the evidence LE has and are building a case with.
IMO I do not believe we know enough to even come to a logical conclusion about everyone involved and the truth about the facts that LE have and what has moved this investigation in the direction we witnessed since day one.
TexMom,it is getting old,Today is one of the bad ones for me,I am so sick of all their dadburned excuses that I can’t bare it!
No one would act in any way the way they have!
Hey fellow bloggers.. I LOVE to read all of your own insights…
maybe I was initially swayed by Nancy Grace and her saying that no way Ronald was involved…
CJ.. you are opening my eyes.. I am still not certain what the final answer is.. but I am totally seeing things in a different light…
still feeling: Tommy knows… Lindsy KNOWS… Misty knows but is totally afraid to spill it… RONALD KNOWS and is controlling MISTY…. everyone thinks they are going to get out of jail and that is why they aren’t talking…
The St. Johns River theory… IF Misty or Tommy didn’t know anything about that… WHY didn’t Misty go CRAZY when LE took her there for the field trip?
SO many unanswered questions.. and the whole family is just all over the map with their tales…
THE TRUTH has to come out for HaLeigh.. hugs and answers for HaLeigh, Junior, Natalee, and Kyron…
if they truly wanted her found?
NO ONE!
and it does bother me,he would not search for her at all,mr/ billy bad ass…but traveled to deal!jmo
CJ- That was a mouthful, lol -totally agree!
ILove!!!!!!!!
I defended them too,wanted to write and apologize to Ron at one time,TG i didn’t!
and that tattoo interview makes me vomit…..no joke it does,since day one ron has not ever once done one damn thing whatsoever to HELP but tons of things to MISLEAD and DEFEND Misty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cause he knows what happened,he don’t have to defend her…….if he wasn’t guilty,he’d have snapped her neck by now,I guarantee ya!
And N/G i think hates women??? honest i do!
CathyJo, when Ron was getting a tattoo two hours away. TN was giving an interview. She told the media Ron was not doing well and that he had been with the Pastor all day. Whether Ron told her he was going to be with the Pastor all day or she really knew where He and Misty was I am not sure. I don’t want to say TN lied for Ron to the media if that is not the case. The Pastor never came out in Ron defense after that.
TY Alex,I quit trying to make excuses when theres no excuse for what he’s done to halt the search,sorry guys,but i am raw!
yes looking,he was!
brb daughter
CathyJoe–Who wrote those articles you just posted? The story is NOT Haleigh, it is the players themselves. Ron has stated emphatically time and again to put the focus BACK on Haleigh. The media has never did that. Ron has never claimed to be a saint. For all the WRONGS Ronald has committed, what are all the RIGHTS that Crystal did? When did she physically search for her child? If Ronald made money hand over fist by Haleigh’s abduction, why, pray tell, would he have to engage in illegal drug trafficking? The one who made the money was the Sheffields with the HBC, funds that have never been accounted for to this day. For all the times Ronald has been “high”, look at all the “seizure” incidents Crystal has been involved in (what was her medical diagnosis). Ron was living under a media microscope and Crystal was running virtually unscathed by the media scrutiny. Is that fair? Hell no. They were both Haleigh’s parents and BOTH had drug histories. One was being BLASTED by the media/public at every turn and even being called a “CHILD KILLER” (said on a Cobra tape) and one has been virtually left untouched by the media (even though SHE failed a drug test after Ron was jailed and she got custody of JR). Unbiased reporting? I think not!
I get you CJ… what about when Misty was flown to NY to be on tv? Hair all pretty, etc… I totally was sickened when Ronald and Misty married.. all that attention on them.. and as you say.. NONE on HaLeigh. At first I thought I was missing something.. like… should I be happy or relieved they are getting married???
the whole story is beyond dysfunction…none of those family members can tell a true story
CJ, halt what search?
CathyJo I understand your RAW frustrations!! I too in the beginning did not even want to acknowledge Ron had any knowledge what so ever in Haleighs disappearance, but you are right this father did everything out of character for a grieving father franticly searching for his BEAUTIFUL 5 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER!! You are right!! You do not even want to put him in the the mix of Marc Klass, Dave Halloway, Beth Twitty, Tim Miller, The Ocasio parents out of Oralndo, the Kessey Parents also out of Orlando and above John Walsh.
I have no hate for any of these people. I do pray for them and that God lays the conviction so strong that one of them opens their mouths and will finally speak the TRUTH!!!
They need to stop worrying about their own arses and worry about giving Haleigh some dignity of having proper burial if she is deceased and be prepared to to do the time. If by a slim chance Haleigh is alive then tell someone so they can bring her home!!
robin said,
in June 18th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
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I totally agree. Every time Ron was in the media he said not to focus on him, to focus on finding Haleigh. This isn’t about me, this is about finding my daughter. And time and time again media did the same thing, question him about things totally unrelated to Haleigh being missing.
Ron and his entire family searched, along with friends. He searched with TM even though he was told not to, he demanded to be allowed to search.
Robin, Haleigh was in Ron’s home when she went “missing” not Crystal’s. Ron is living under a microscope because he was supposed to be the “better” parent but all the while he was a dope addict, dealer, abuser who could care less about finding his daughter. He married the teenager that was supposed to be babysitting his daughter the she went “missing” one month later. The only time he went looking for his daughter was if someone offered him a horse or ATV to play around on, while total strangers were out on foot looking for her.
The attention is/was on Ronald because he at the very least allowed his daughter to come in harms way. Defend him all you want but even if he had nothing physically to do with Haleigh’s disappearance or death he is the CAUSE of it.
Of course though Ron’s attorney had stated that Ron was taking medication for “accidental injuries”???
Robin- Ron got good press from NG- Crystal got scorn. I agree both parents did drugs, both were bad but Ron had custody of the children!
As to why Ron would engage in illegal drug trafficing, I think he enjoyed it! He likes being the big macho bad boy!I don’t even think money mattered as much as the drugs themselves. Didn’t he tell the UC that he would but the drugs & use them himself? He doesn’t need any of us to make himlook bad - he does that himself! Though he always has Nancy Grace to help him rehab his image!
Robin,yes he has but when he knew of the interviews,but imo he was caught off fuard ant the tattoo video shows it,just his demeanor alone in that tape,theres no denying that! jmo,sorry!
IMO not the cause but ignorant or in denial to the facts that she was at risk because of Misty’s care or that the Sheffield’s where planning his demise along with Misty’s to get the kids.
Heck all their (Sheffield’s) other attempts (appeals and DCF reports) had not produced the results they were wanting and with the pending court date and possible jail time Crystal was facing, it would seem that the timing was relevant. JMO
WhyLie,sure he was in N/G’s good graces,imo??
He had to look that way,watch the today show interview,he will not even look toward the cam,and you cannot deny that he told Misty to look in the cam??? IT’S BS!
just imo tho……..Why is it so hard to believe ron is guilty,look at his life? then he keeps dealing and his son could have been taken or worse too!
Ron imo is capable of anything,All i had to do,was watch his defense for Misty since Day one,I don’t consider anything in print for that.I Wwatch and hear the videos myself,and a dad in no way would ever do what he’s done!
CJ, I don’t believe Ron is guilty because Ron was at work and had no motive to harm or hide Haleigh. LE has said several times that they do not believe that Ron or Crystal is involved. LE doesn’t give us a whole lot so what they do give us we should treasure.
the attention on him? because he wanted to get high? why he didn’t want us to focus on him,thats what it was imo,he wanted us to believe that!
but when he got buzzed up and did not expect a cam since he snuck 2 hrs away and it showed how he really was…..tmo
No,we have assumed they told us that WhyLie,they’ve never said it firm!
He allowed them to film his wedding?? lol
WhyLie,sorry but he’s guilty as sin imo,lol
if he did not know where Haleigh was,He’d have already hurt Misty bad!
screaming and ranting,I will kill him,yea pftt,lol
Exactly my thoughts as well Alexandria.
We keep seeing folks who imo are pretending that Crystal has been skating off unscathed throughout all the while we watched for nearly a year as Miss Nancy tore the living sh*t out of Crystal. Cobra had even told some bruising information on her as did her own flesh and blood Father. Oh and yes let’s not forget that KP was very colorful with some of her released information as well.
They are all under the microscope imvho.
FTLOG if you believe that you may know what has happened to Haleigh Cummings then please by all means explain your theory rationally and stop wasting your time and others by creating falsly emotional perceptions that just do no exist.
jmo
I sure never heard him accuse anybody else,made statements to lead to them,certain people he didn’t like anyway!
but never once did he even ask Misty who the guys were she was with,he did not want misty questioned period!
I need to run, glad to see that everyone is still asking questions and I wish we where able to find the truth and solve this mess, but, IMO the puddle is to muddy. I mean puddle because IMO it involves only these 3 families and the mud was created from the very begining and has not been undisturbed by these players until after the recent search at the River.
I am hoping LE has finally got the truth from Tomme and Misty and the evidence that has been recovered that has indicated to LE that HaLiegh is no longer alive can give LE what they have needed to deliver swift justice that HaLeigh deserves.
well,if you ask me,I’d almost swear him and cs did it together but how can that be?
b/c a father don’t behave the way he does!
Ronald, on Tuesday morning?
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER: Approximately 3:30.
VAN SUSTEREN: And when you walked in the door — take me through every step. You walked in the door. Was your girlfriend up at that point?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Yes. I never walked through the door. I pulled in the yard. She — the door was open. She was standing there and waiting on me. I asked her what she was still doing up, and she then told me that the back — she got up to use the restroom, and the back door was wide open and that my daughter was missing.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was the child — was your daughter missing when she got up to use the restroom, or between the time she got up to use the restroom and returned to bed? Did she tell you that?
—->RONALD CUMMINGS: I’m not sure. I never asked.
I think I’d asked!
LadySadie–You misunderstand me. I do not defend Ron Cummings one bit, but also do not make blanket statements that he was the cause of Haleigh’s disappearance. No one knows that since we are not privy to the evidence LE does have (or don’t have). If an SO took her then how would Ron would be the cause of it, same with a stranger abduction? No parent asks for their child to be abducted. Ron’s lifestyle could definately be the cause, but it also could just be easily as a SO targeting her and was offered the perfect opportunity to steal this child while the others were asleep. I will respectfully agree to disagree with you about Ron being the cause of this, since there is no evidence suggesting that to be the case. I will say that the Sheffields have been given great latitude in this investigation even though there was a contentious custody battle raging for years. Most LE would have zeroed in on this. Just because Haleigh was abducted from Ron’s MH DOES NOT make him responsible. It could be anyone at this point even a stranger. Just my opinion though.
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20664199/index.html
Straight Defense!
CathyJo63 said,in June 18th, 2010 at 12:52 pm Ronald, on Tuesday morning?
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER: Approximately 3:30.
VAN SUSTEREN: And when you walked in the door — take me through every step. You walked in the door. Was your girlfriend up at that point?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Yes. I never walked through the door.
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Well, there we have it folks! Ronald NEVER even walked through the door!
Never?
mmm hmmm. How very interesting.
Geraldo: right
Tim: he said that if he wouldn’t have married her she probably would have taken off to Massachusetts or Tennessee or some place with her other relatives and they’d never be able to talk to her and I said Ronald that must be very very difficult to live with and he said it is and he said but if I find out that she had anything to do with it or did it.. his exact word were her teeth will be going out the back of her head
Geraldo: yeah
Tim: and um I don’t know if he is protecting Misty but he is really slowing the investigation down and Misty ya know I’m not at rest here after all but you know after spending 12 days with them people my head was just spinning
Geraldo: I bet I bet Tim thanks
they got tim and chelsea from Mass,Jo from Tn!
He never even walked through THAT door? That night?
VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?
RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I’m not sure. You’ll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I’m not sure.
he knew all about bumping but a crowbar he didn’t,don’t add up!
the door. Was your girlfriend up at that point?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Yes. I never walked through the door. I pulled in the yard. She — the door was open. She was standing there and waiting on me. I asked her what she was still doing up, and she then told me that the back — she got up to use the restroom, and the back door was wide open and that my daughter was missing.
Tuff Stuff, I may be dense today, who is FTLOG?
he never went out that back door either,with his gun and the door is propped open,but still all 3 had to look under the bed?
LOL LS! It means “For the love of God”.
WhyLie,he had motive,its just one we aren’t supposed to know! jmoo
LOL, told ya I may be dense today.
a normal “father” would have been screaming, yelling, going CRAZY…..
crowbar??
I carried this here because its exactly how i see it!
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Well, it`s good to see you.
TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD, HALEIGH CUMMINGS: It`s good to see you, sweetheart.
CUMMINGS: Sucks it`s like this.
NEVES: Yes, it does. I hate it.
CUMMINGS: I`ll be OK.
NEVES: Promise?
CUMMINGS: Yes, I`ll be home soon.
NEVES: Promise?
CUMMINGS: I don`t want to make a promise I can`t keep but.
NEVES: Don`t you have something to tell me?
CUMMINGS: Huh?
NEVES: Don`t you have something to tell me?
CUMMINGS: That I love you?
NEVES: No —
(LAUGHTER)
CUMMINGS: What?
NEVES: I don`t know. You said you had something to tell us.
CUMMINGS: No. Not really. I really don`t —
NEVES: Think she`s going to talk? Do you think she`s going to talk?
CUMMINGS: Well, this is between me and you, and whoever is listening to our recording, but, you know, they shouldn`t — the cops are not just going to run out and tell nobody. If they do then they`re going to have the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) FDLE to deal with.
Anyway, so after that maybe they`ll do that recording, and the reason why they done it is because they went to the jail and was talking to her, and Jason said, man, I`ve never seen her cry. Real tears, you know, she always — you know, has to jerk a tear out.
Jason said no, man, this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) was like pouring, and you know when it started? And I said when? He said when we started talking about you. Being locked up. And losing Junior.
He said she didn`t give two (EXPLETIVE DELETED) about her brother, her mama, her daddy, nobody. When I talked about you, being locked up, she started pouring them. And they were real. So.
He said and she said — she was so proud to show everybody her tattoo, see, it says Ronald Sr.
NEVES: They made a big deal about that on all the TVs and everything. I said you got Misty in that cell over there which nobody else would do.
CUMMINGS: Nobody else could do.
NEVES: Yes. So you know, you`re just — I`m very proud of you. Don`t you let anybody tell you that I`m not.
CUMMINGS: Well, the way I see it, I already told you.
NEVES: Yes, I know.
CUMMINGS: If one of the two of them, the whole time we figured it`s got to be one of the two of them. If it`s one of the two of them, then they got it pinned in a corner now because Crystal could wait six or eight months, she just pops up over here or wherever in Texas and move to Montana, whatever. You know and — or the worst, so, either way we`ll know.
NEVES: Well, you just hang in there, baby. What are crying for, sweetheart?
CUMMINGS: Because I wish I knew where my daughter was.
NEVES: I know, honey. But we`ll find her. You know? One way or the other, like you said, one of them is going to mess up, so we`re going to find her.
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I find this call very interesting.
IMO, TN seems to be trying to get Ron to tell her something but Ron is clueless. Then she asks Ron if he thinks Misty will talk. At first I thought that was suspicious. But then I realized it was a CLUE to remind Ron what he needed to tell her.
Ron once again missed what TN is trying to get him to say. He seems to think TN is worried Misty will talk. So he AGAIN makes sure to let LE know that he knows he is being recorded and does not care. IMO, another attempted “I’m innocent so I have nothing to hide and am proving it with this story.”
Ron tells how Misty is still so in love with him that she not only cried but cried real tears for him while not caring about her own family. Ron did not want to say no so he tells a story to show that Misty is still in love with him. IMO, “No she is not going to talk because she loves me.”
When Ron is done with that story, TN gives him the clue to get the story out that they want out. TN first makes a comment about the story Ron just told then gives him the clue “I said YOU got Misty in that cell over there which no one else could do.”
Ron starts getting it and repeats what she said because he has not figured out what to say yet. TN tells him that she is proud of him suggesting she is proud that he was willing to go to jail to get the truth about Haleigh.
Then Ron now remembering the story they want to keep out there says it is either Misty or Crystal, Haleigh’s mother, who are responsible for Haleigh being gone.
Then another prompt from TN “why you are crying” because she knows Ron’s tears will be discussed and knows Ron has forgot to talk about the most important think…his daughter. Ron realizes cry for Haleigh so knows what his response should be and finally mentions he is upset “because I wish i knew where my daughter was.”
IMO, it was obvious that TN “scripted” that conversation for Ron. Every piece of bait she threw, he caught too quickly for two innocent people who have not had tons of experience at getting their story out. Ron trusts his Mother completely to not only have his back but save his behind by letting her run the show.
misleading the media and the public!
CJ - You mean under the mattress?
Alexandria Loring said,in June 18th, 2010 at 11:05 am Cj- Yes I want the pic link! Haven’t you figured out how nosey I am by now?
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inquiring minds want to know alex..
yes alex,lol BS!
I heard something about motive on IS today that was very interesting. Proof of motive is not necessary in a criminal prosecution.
If there is any merit to Haleigh passing away due to some type of accidental means then where does motive fit in to this scenario?
Intent?
How about the possibility that Haleigh may have passed on due to some type of unintended physical injury as some have suggested Haleigh might have gotten into the cross fire between a potential fight between Misty and Ron?
Intent?
Is rage a possible motive?
The courts do not necessarily care what a person’s motive would have been rather that the concern is whether the person had actually committed the crime.
(Just some thoughts I have been pondering today.)
GRACE: OK. Here`s the next question. Why didn`t she call cops immediately when she realized Haleigh was missing? Explain to us the timeline. What happened?
RONALD CUMMINGS: I pulled into the yard. The front door was wide open. She was standing in it. I asked her what she was doing up. She told me that the back door was wide open and Haleigh was gone. I turned the house upside-down and told her to call 911.
GRACE: has she explained it to you why she didn`t go to the restroom in the middle of night right there in the bedroom`s attached bathroom? It`s kind of all one big, huge master bedroom. Why would she choose to crosses kitchen and go to a different bathroom?
RONALD CUMMINGS: I don`t know, Ms. Nancy. I`ve never really heard that side of the story, to be honest with you.
Here is a thought in regards to Jr would have talked if Haleigh wasn’t there.
We know that Haleigh had disabilities, I have read that Ron and Amber’s son has some severe disabilities. What about Jr? Pretty sure that when Crystal got pregnant with him both she and Ron were doing drugs (and yes it matters if the father is because it can harm the sperm) and more than likely Crystal did drugs the entire time she was pregnant. Does Jr have any disabilities?
RC has the same psyche as Casey! and you’re not allowed to hit below the belt,lol but imo its as clear as a bell now! imo
Tuff Stuff- Prosecutors usually want to show a motive because a jury will normally wonder “Why would this person do that?”. Youre right no motive is necessary but if it was an accident, why the cover-up… the motive?
he didn’t ask,he never heard that side of the story,RON ,The sky is falling dude!
GRACE: Do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, Ronald?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely not.
GRACE: Ronald, one thing I want to clear up. I still don`t understand why she didn`t call 911 the minute she realized Haleigh was gone.
RONALD CUMMINGS: I think she was still looking to make sure that Haleigh — she wasn`t going to make a false 911 call.
(Oh i just love this one) She was making sure that Haleigh was not, you know, up in the bathroom or in a….. got up and moved up to another room or whatever. You know, I think she was just being sure that…
GRACE: So when you pull up — when you pull up, she`s still looking?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely.
RONALD CUMMINGS: I told her to call 911 while I turned the house upside-down.
CathyJo they use the term ugly coping for Ronalds and Caseys actions. We all know it is a bunch of BS!
CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.
GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
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The other transcript,he didn’t know and another Haleigh was in a different bed!
It sure is Looking,I’m sorry but i am just so fed up with ron right now,its obvious whats happened!
Just like Tiger and Jessie,suddenly looking,they’re in sex rehab,roflmsao!
all they gots ta do is be faithful..sheeeesh
There really has to be no motive if it were unexpected that a drug dealer came in and took her or an accident that occured earlier in the evening. The cover-up is due to the fact that LE would be arresting whoever it was that caused Haleighs demise or who had links to the drig heads that abducted and murdered her.JMO
“I got her off the school bus. She ran to me, jumped in my arms,” he said last year. “I drove the car home. She got out, gave me a hug and a kiss, loved on me, told me she loved me and she’d see me when I got home. She’s a daddy’s girl.”
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content…kng.cspx?rss=1
What happened to Haleigh drove home?
that shoulod have read drug heads.
bingo!!!!!
They call it sex re-hab, but it is just another term for Country Club for the rich and famous.
in his first interview, he tells it differently… It was HALEIGH who got out, HALEIGH who gave HIM a hug and a kiss, HALEIGH who told him SHE loved HIM, HE who told THEM ALL that HE’d see THEM when he got home from work.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html
“I got her off the school bus, she ran to me, jumped in my arms, drove the car home, got out, gave me a hug and a kiss, loved on me, told me she loved me, she’d see me when I got home.”
Now compare it to this account:
ron: i got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss… i gave my son a hug and a kiss,
gave my girlfriend a hug and a kiss, told her i love you… i`ll see y`all when i
get home from work
He’s memorized the verbs but not the pronouns.
Cathyjo, glad too hear that you are enjoying the man tune. It will always bring a smile.
OMG I love that Looking,it wwas you???? Sorry i could not remember,lol but omg.i constantly watch it,rofl
now,i quit ragging and posting snips,lol but we ain’t getting any news so.i got mad and went on a post frenzy.lol
It will always lift your spirits.LOL!!
ain’t it the truth Looking,when stars get caught,suddenly its a disease!
pffffffffft!
It oughta be called the “IF$#$#$UpAndGotCaught syndrome!!
roflamo!!!!! CathyJo
It sure would be nice if LE could throw out a few more clues. I think it would help.JMO
MonkeyTongue:: OK~Just listened again about the night of the re-enactment and Cobra said TJ can attest to this, Ron did talk to NG about it, Ron was freaking out and NG told him “I’ll help you get a lawyer” etc., so it sounds like Nancy was the one who put the kabosh on the re-enactment, this was when Misty called Ron and stated “Ron get away from him (Cobra), they are on to us” . Then Cobra talks about the call from Merchant, supposedly and then that ended Ron cooperating with Cobra. Then Ron stated I’ll kill her, they called LE and had a wellness check and Ron denied saying any of that to Cobra. Cobra told Ron “I don’t know what your involvement is, but I heard Misty say “they are on to us”, next day Ron lawyered up.
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Last one,use your own judgement tho guys!!!!!!
Just catchin up what is the man tune? Could use a laugh about now too. I wonder if its so quiet because they hope we will all just go away? NOT GONNA HAPPEN. JMO
Its true whylie,Thats what i always said,Don’t bring me no flowers home,ya know,after a fight,rofl cause all it is is the
IF%$%%UpBouquet!
omg Tobias,i love it,go to you tube,type in The man song! its a muppet,roflmaoooo!
CathyJo63 said,in June 18th, 2010 at 1:57 pm Its true whylie,Thats what i always said,Don’t bring me no flowers home,ya know,after a fight,rofl cause all it is is the
IF%$%%UpBouquet!
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See I am crazy,was just talking to whylie,I meantttt Looking!!!!! shewwwwwwww
I wonder if any DNA was found on the cinder block that was holding the back door open? Touch DNA is a relatively new tool from my understanding.
I hope that the cinderblock was thoroughly checked out for potential DNA samples.
It seems to me that it would take quite a period of time in doing this type of test.
How could the persons testing this cinderblock be certain that the areas where samples were taken from were the right areas?
Cinderblock material is very porous.
I had to email somee links Looking and got confused,as usual,lol
oj- I am the nosiest lady on my block, my neighbor Loren knows where to find his wife after she asks him a question about Haleigh or Caylee. He heads straight to my house! Even my younger sister comes to me for a scoop!
right tuff,I imagine so but gale st. john says,it has skin cells on it,lol idk
Rons flowers were smokes, peanuts and a bottle of beer. lol
I read your posts up above and agree Ron kept changing his story too. They both know what happened and so does TN. JMO
You will LOVE it Tobias!! It is hilarious!! You are also correct. WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY!! KNOCK ! KNOCK! LE!!
Guys,no matter what i think i always go back to ron,its just too obvious,Its like a sore thumb,it sticks out! jmo
CathyJo who is Gail St. John?
I’m watching it now Looking,rofl
a psychic,lol I don’t believe her one bit! jmo
I totally agree Tobias,they do know!!!!!!!
It is OK CathyJo. I get confused sometimes too.
Tobias I agree with you they know!!
I hate doing it tho,makes me feel like i am disrespecting ppl,lol I ain’t right at all Looking,lol
but i guess I’m lucky enough to know my own name,lol
I just don’t know how people can see it and not see that he is a liar!jmo
IF TN is involved, wow she always talked about her faith in God and God was going to bring HaLeigh home….
and
was wondering if Ronald still has that ghetto stroll in the jail? WHAT was that…lol
just so funny watching him do that and Misty flicking her cigarette ashes…
It’s hilarious ain’t it Tobias??
lol ILove,true!!!!!!!
Oh i’d bet she’s involved! jmo though
CathyJo a liar does not make you guilty of murder, but it does put up red flags that either you had something to do with it or you know who did.!!JMO
brb need a coffee IV!lol
lfj= you’re right there- if lying made you a murderer they’d all be guilty of murder in the 1st degree because they’ve all told whoppers!
sOUNDS LIKE A REAL SMART MAN LOL. i ALSO FOUND A SONG Called I ll Never smoke weed with willie again. Good song.jmo
If perhaps no dna were found on the cinderblock then someone would have had to use something to cover their hands with right?
Gloves or clothing etc… I wonder if there were any trace evidence/fibres discovered regarding anything other than a person’s DNA?
If so and say it were fibres or some other trace evidence then wouldn’t it be possible to find the source?
(Just thinking out loud here.)
Exactly right Looking,thats my point,lol you say it better,lol but if he were innocent he’d have shook the truth from Misty himself,would he not??????? he sure would imo…..
I mean since the 2nd day after she went Missing he’s defended her but threw clues out there for other people to be accused while he knew Misty was home with her when she went missing,and he says,I didn’t ask,well i didn’t hear that side of he story,BS!jmo
I sure hope they got evidence with it Tuff,
You are right CathyJo he would have or his mom and Granny would have. They darn well would not be talking how great Misty is!!
rofl Tommy needs that one Tobias!
But too, even if DNA or some other form of evidence were found on that cinderblock what would that prove exactly?
Also the light switch and door must have had some type of evidence on them don’t ya think?
I wonder how many times the light switch had been turned on and off during the families normal everyday routine?
exactly right Looking,I ain’t a genius,far from it but it don’t take one to see that!!
tuff,lol tobias,Looking and Vaq among others are the legality ppl here,lol not me!!
I couldn’t tell you one thing about that part,lol
When they die Alex,they’ll make lie soap out of em all,cause thats all they do,or put on their headstones,’Here lies the body of truth cause God knows it never came out” jmo,lol
Me either, I usually wait for Tobias to explain it. If she doeasn’t I try to look it up on line. The key word there was TRY.LOL!!!!
and what,tn and rc expect us to believe he went to prison for drugs to put misty in jail,omggggg
CathyJo you are too hilarious!
shoot Looking,I ain’t got room for new input..I don’t! shewwwwww
one day they’ll find me sitting on the curb somewhere and don’t know my name or nothing,wait and see!
You all are cracking me up today! Must be Friday. LOL
Ya know Looking,this whole thing would be funny if it wasn’t for Haleigh!
I’d pop popcorn,and charge admission!
roflmao LOL!!! CathyJo
Oh it is,lol see,I forgot!! Friday!
CathyJo63 said,in June 18th, 2010 at 2:30 pm one day they’ll find me sitting on the curb somewhere and don’t know my name or nothing,wait and see!
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Please don’t say that CJ. That’s terrible.
Jan has a new article up!
does anyone know if Ronald’s mom still has her job as a dispatcher?
well you’d say it too if you were me Tuff,Honest,no joke.I don’t know how i make it,lol
No,Ilove,she hasn’t for 2 yrs i think,waiting on a settlement?? a car wreck?
settlement for what??
its taking forever to reload this one now,
a car wreck she was in,I believe,someone else might know more,lol but its a 50,ooo$ settlement???? TMU
YALL WANNA GO TO THE NEW ARTICLE,IT MAY NOT BE AS SLOW,LOL
Someone give me a logical anwser to this question. This is so strange that a child would
be having dinner at 7:30 on the porch. It’s cold by the St. Johns in the winter. I don’t care if you are a block away it’s cold and was
cold that night. I know that from personal experience. I just don’t think Annette Skyes is
afraid to bend the truth a little. Ron’s call to her she warns him that there is a snitch in there…….
Does having dinner outside after dark in the winter? Did she actually go in the house?
What new article? I don’t see one.
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