Wow, Donna is pleading to get just 15 instead of taking a risk? Misty better wake up. jmo

I feel Misty is better off with way she’s
pleading.
guess I don’t no much about the court system.

misty has to go to trial then hope for a lengthy sentencing investigation to get her a decent amount of time.

She would have to take the stand though and if she was made feisty under questioning it could hurt her.

If she broke down a lot on the stand I think it would help as well.

Imo, she needs to think years because her conviction is more probable than her aquitall on all 8 counts. Plead to 15 maybe?

People in the same cars have plead or will shortly, imo.

Entrapment is her only option if she goes to trial. Imo

Wow – 15 years is such a long time. I have read about charges for manslaughter (and other violent crimes) that are 2 – 5 years. I am not saying drug dealing isn’t serious but 15 years seems like overkill. JMO

So let’s get this straight. St. john’s, putnam, and fdle are putting 1st time offenders that sold only $800 worth of drugs in jail for 15 years at a cost of how many million(s) to taxpayers? At the same time, they are releasing and giving rapists, murderers, and child predators 5-10 years or less so they can go and kill and rape again and again. Great work keeping society safe guys and girls. Nobody with similar charges is even getting anything close. The crooked justice system is trying to save face and cover their butts for mishandling the Haleigh case. The prosecutors are violating some of these people’s rights. The ends do not justify the means. Ya’ll better wake up before dishonest and corrupt cops and prosecutors do this illegal stuff to somebody you know.

That’s about it, wubbzy

JillF said,in June 15th, 2010 at 1:53 pm Wow – 15 years is such a long time. I have read about charges for manslaughter (and other violent crimes) that are 2 – 5 years. I am not saying drug dealing isn’t serious but 15 years seems like overkill. JMO
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How about 6 months in county jail??
For Manslaughter!

I don’t understand the Donna Brock involvement. What’s her deal? She’s along for the ride to help look for Haleigh, and then she involves herself into the drug dealing and the lives of this group of drug dealers. Was she really trying to find Haleigh undercover, or is she just crazy?

Donna Brock was a 44 yr old woman, hard to have a lot of sympathy for her. Altho HS was/is a beligerant self-centered drug addicted messed up teen….. she was a teenager from the dysfunctional family of the decade and recieves the same sentence as a grown woman carrying prescriptions across state lines? It is amazing to me the multitude of phony doctor shops in Florida, the epidemic of bringing oxycontin into the state from foreign soil and the state wants to spends millions on this motely crew… of small time dealing… I just don’t get it!!!

I am trying to do exactly what the judicial system was designed to represent.. the drug charges are totally seperate from the missing/death case of precious HaLeigh.. but the sentencing certainly does not represent the penalty for selling percs and hydrocodone.. The LE son that operated and sold meth from his home, with a small child in such a dangerous enviornment apparently will be sentenced to death????

I abhor drugs and the destruction cased by the selling distrubution and use on our society, but these trials, bonds, sentencing are insane, to me anyway.

This is off topic,but can somebody tell me what would explain the fact that all the info that was available online at F.O.I.L on my husbands murder,the sentencing,charges and all are gone now????? How can they do that?????
The only thing it tells me now is ABSCONDED???
which I knew anyway!

Thats just not right and I am sick of it,ya know,he’s the only one who never even had his photo on his?
Thats all thats left,that I can find!

MCNABB, PHILLIP EARL Order Background Check
TOMIS
ID Birth Date Race Sex Supervision
Status Location Sentence
Begin Parole
Eligibility Parole
Hearing Hearing
Result Sentence
End
00386908 12/05/1962 W M ABSCONDED 04/11/2005

If floridians can change it, that’s fine by me. They have to live with it and its their choice.

Don’t think its going to help any of the fab five though.

Seems Tommy had a court hearing today.I bet he pleads out since his trial wasn’t till next week.

For the gun charge.

05/13/2010 39 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
05/13/2010 39 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 06/21/2010
05/13/2010 40 ORDER SETTING TRIAL AND LAST CHANCE PLEA DAY
05/13/2010 42 DEFENDANT’S WITNESS LIST
05/14/2010 41 MOTION TO DISMISS
05/17/2010 43 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (06/21/2010)
05/17/2010 44 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06/21/2010) IN JAIL
06/03/2010 45 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 06/15/2010 AT 03:30
06/07/2010 46 DEFENDANTS WITHDRAWAL OF WITNESS
06/07/2010 47 AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 06/15/2010 AT 03:30
06/07/2010 48 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
06/08/2010 49 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

Vaquera- Thanks for the info

Anyone who is in the know on drugs down there knows about the min. mand. laws and what would happen if they got caught. I believe this would be common knowledge to all the parties. They just got caught on tape and cant get the cases thrown out on a tecnicality. jmo

I guess I find it a bit odd, with the multitude of previous drug charges received in the past by the same people involved in this current “drug sting” that they were never sentenced in any way shape or form as they are being charged in this case…… I don’t live in Florida, not too aware of the laws, my opinion based on the reading I have done in the past few years. I guess I find it odd, the min/man appears to be somewhat selective. I also seriously doubt MC or HS know the law to a gnats degree, or even RC and Donna for that matter. Perhaps I do not give them enough credit.

Shockwave said,in June 15th, 2010 at 2:25 pm I don’t understand the Donna Brock involvement. What’s her deal? She’s along for the ride to help look for Haleigh, and then she involves herself into the drug dealing and the lives of this group of drug dealers. Was she really trying to find Haleigh undercover, or is she just crazy?
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IMO, “just crazy”. And nasty. Dealing drugs with disadvantaged teenagers is pretty low.

jaba said,in June 15th, 2010 at 3:49 pm Not being snide, but as I was told once, after spinning wheels in a car at 16, ignorance of the law is no excuse. I thought spinning wheels was ok is your weren’t speeding or weaving…not so much, the officer informed me. Paid the fine.
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Bet you are glad it didn’t carry a mandatory minimum jail term and that you only had to pay a fine for your teenage stupidity. Yep, teenagers can do stupid things.

If they want to give mandatory sentencing laws give them to child predators and murderers save the prisons for them

Bio-hazzard said,in June 15th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I agree with some of that,lol but the way I see it is alcohol is just as bad if not worse,It’s legal yet people die everyday in one form or the other by alcohol!

But what gets me,is the dealers get off easier while the jails are full of “users”

Yep, me, they do. I only spun wheels. I didn’t traffick drugs. Big difference. Like burglary and murder. Jaywalking and battery.

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Says it all to me.

It’s real simple, don’t get involved with drugs, then you have nothing to worry about.

anyway,I didn’t mean to take over the topic.it just infuriates me how someone can take a life and be free!
Now I’ll stick to topic,less something else infuriates me between now and then, lol

Bio-hazzard said,in June 15th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I agree with some of that,lol but the way I see it is alcohol is just as bad if not worse,It’s legal yet people die everyday in one form or the other by alcohol!
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Yep, the hypocrisy would be funny if not such a serious matter.

CathyJo,

LOL. And those poor birds had to smell that awful burnt rubber smell.

But seriously, if a 16 year old was spinning their tires on my street with kids on it, I would not be impressed. Very dangerous and stupid, but many kids don’t realize just how dangerous and stupid it is (and perhaps some adults too…lol).

tobias said,in June 15th, 2010 at 3:17 pm Anyone who is in the know on drugs down there knows about the min. mand. laws and what would happen if they got caught. I believe this would be common knowledge to all the parties. They just got caught on tape and cant get the cases thrown out on a tecnicality. jmo
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True too,even Rom got in and told the guy don’t tell nobody man please don’t……
When you’re an addict you’ll do what it takes,Thats why I am so grateful today that TG I got off the stuff before i did go too far to turn back,and though I know I’d never do anything bad to get them,it doesn’t mean “I would not have” if I hadn’t got clean!
Everybody starts out saying they won’t do anything bad to get them,I was no better but lucky enough it soaked in my head!

Its even more stupid to traffick drugs when you are involved in an ongoing child disappearance investigation, but, the fab five did it anyway. Just like me, spinning wheels, stupid. Glad the fine wasn’t much. 1 point on the DL too.

LadySadie that’s right just don’t do drugs. Just go on the straight and narrow when you’ve been raped, beaten, abused or just hanging with the wrong crowd or have addiction through heredity. If you can live through these hurdles and still say “no to drugs” hats off to you.

not me jaba,I didn’t have wheels,lol till i got married,lol

IMO and mine only,Maybe?
I do think they set out to entrap Misty,sorry but they set her up as a minor busted her as soon as she was 18,so if she can’t legally buy alcohol at that age,how can they sell drugs to her at that age?
Jaba really,because if she isn’t legal to be free on anything else,even voting for that matter then imo she’s not old enought to make that choice either!

and i did find the article the other night and posted it somewhere that the uc kept calling her,they made cointact several times before she’d even talk to them?

FBI’S LOL

I agree that 15 years is a lot of time….BUT personally I have a hard time thinking anything but Donna should have known better…
- she is 44 not 17 or 18
- they were her drugs so obviously she talked to Misty about it asked Misty to call the UC and encouraged her to Traffic Drugs
-it is reported that Donna gave drugs to Misty when they did the CBS interview, that is contributing to the deliquency of a Minor

all this leads me to think she needs the 15 years to change her life and figure out how to be a contributing member of society
plus she will only serve 12 .5 years

Guess I was lucky that I CHOSE to never hang out with the wrong crowd, sure that made the difference.

SHE CERTAINLY KNEW BETTER AND SO DID RON!
mISTY WOULD HAVE DONE WHATEVER RON TOLD HER TOO ANYWAY BUT STILL SHE WAS UNDERAGE AND I DON’T AGREE WITH HOW THEY WENT ABOUT IT!

Bio, I am also around Donna’s age, also still make mistakes and no doubt will make them til I die, just don’t make ILLEGAL mistakes, again that is a choice I make. If I were to choose to break the law and get caught then I would expect to pay the price.

LadySadie I do tip my hat to you. Having lived through 4/5.

jaba,

We all do stupid things at 16, or at least most of us do. I was very lucky I got away with what I did. Had I been from “the other side of the tracks” I might not have been so lucky.

By SHE i meant Donna and ron,sorry!

Well I like a couple puffs off a joint now and then. Calms my nerves keeps me from taking a bunch of pharmaceutical anti- depression anxiety medication. I wonder were the pharmaceutical companies stand with trafficking narcotics? What should their mandatory be?

Well, Bio, that is a choice you make, I sure hope that if you ever get caught and charged with using a controlled substance that you don’t whine about it and take your punishment as you should.

LadySadie I by know means wan’t to be offensive but prison is not a place for second chances. I think it knocks most of your chances and dreams away. Since you didn’t hang around that kind of crowd you may not have seen or experienced this.

She wanted attention,Bad attention to a child is better than no attention!

Bio,Exactly,They come out cold and callous because its what they learn there,fight to live basically!!

According to the laws Misty was imancipated and an adult when she married Ron. jmo

As long as you are alive no matter where you are then there is a “place” for second chances. Many, many people come out of prison a better person than they were when they went in, they use the experience to better their own lives, learn from their mistakes and never commit a crime again. Or hey we as a society can just say oh what the heck let crime run rampant eventually all the criminals will kill themselves or each other, forget about all the innocent people they may harm or kill in the mean time.

Darling Lady Sadie first I am Canadian and we don’t buy into the pot is a gate way drug. 80 percent of canadians want to legalize it. The government mails it to me now Sadie all rolled and everything. We do that here when you have cancer, Even without cancer we don’t go to jail for smoking a joint. Enough said I have the munchies got to run.

Oh yes, and it has a great deal of heart warmth feeling when your father, a convicted drug abuser, is telling you that he and mama, also a convicted drug dealer and thief, who raised you whenever was convinent, in between drug and alchohal binges, says “I told ya not to do that those damn drugs man” What hypocrites in this so called parenting dynamic.

LoL Jnet,its not funny but i gotcha!

Actually Bio, I am all for legalizing the MEDICAL use of marijuana. I think it has many medical benefits if only used in the right dosage, not just for cancer patients. But until it is legalized I choose not to use it, doesn’t mean I don’t endorse, support and advocate for the legalization of Medical marijuana use.

Amen WhyLie,once again a voice of reason!

Or WhyLie, put the small time users/dealers in a jail with a mandatory rehab program.

Again, perhaps I am ignorant, I am trying to seperate the criminal drug charges from the loss of precious HaLeigh.. If one person can explain to me how or why RC was allowed to keep Jr in his drug world AFTER HaLeigh went missing, I would love to hear it. And I am really sorry LadieSadie, that I believe a 17 yr old could be better rehabilitated in the approriate surroundings treating drug addiction rather than thrown into prison with age worn criminals. But then, I am only looking at this from a drug case…. not as justice for baby HaLeigh.

And no I hardly want every criminal to go free… I have lost my daughter , and she died of cancer at a very young age….to watch teens destroy their life by drug addiction is something that took me away from my career, and a lot of therapy to get over my anger and disgust..I was so angry at god and the world.. but it was my personal problem, to be so judgemental and harsh, not ever person I thought I would become. Fate, we have no control over, however, yes I do try to make a modicum of difference… I am on the west coast so nothing I can do about the small time pathetic dealers in this case, but I still think it is wrong….

Rehab only works for those that want to be rehabilitated. jmo

If she’s found not guilty, I bet folks will come forward to help. I also think her ‘betterment’ could be a reality show if she wanted to make money while moving on. Or not, her choice. If she’s cut loose she’ll need to stay away from all those old friends.

I think Misty is young enough that given a reason to change her life, support in helping her do that, somebody that is there for her not just to get on TV or get money in their pocket, somebody to show her a better life, there is a chance for her to turn her life around.

Without support it doesn’t matter how long they lock her up for, nothing will change.

Very Serious Jaba!

Ngrace will follow up for free as will other outlets. At least shed get some proceeds and be an example of what folks here talk about – rehab and second chance working. Imo

Whylie- There is a correctional officer at Folsom Prison who is occasionally tested for alchol. Though he had not been drinking because of his diabetic condition he sometimes smells like alcohol. He doesn’t get offended when asked to test to resolve accusations against him.
Jaba- Prisons are full of innocent people- many of them are innocent of the charges they are sent there for. They did something much worse but pled out to get a lesser sentence.

imo, I think that drugs are as bad as any violent crime as one person on drugs impacts a lot of people not to mention causing pain & possibly the death of someone close to them. I think the mandatory minimum is a good idea and the judge will use discretion if the sentences are consecutive or concurrent!

Hi CathyJo!

WhyLie, I think your posts were written very well and I agree completely. There is nothing more I can add.. Obviously I agree to disagree with some, yet I have no less respect for their opinions than I do for yours…

Have a great evening and take good care!!

Misty will not get out. I dont believe a jury is going to be in favor since she did 7 deals and showed no signs of stopping. The case in St. Johns may get her off but the Putnam county charges will stick.jmo

Alex, the thing is the Vet who sells part of his script to put food on his table could be arrested and charged as a drug trafficker and receive a minimum mandatory sentence.

Now while I agree what he is doing is wrong, in my book that is not what the trafficking laws were written to address. They were put on the books to stop the drugs from being brought into Florida by big time profiteers.

The laws need to be addressed and the sentencing needs to fit the crime. I hardly find it acceptable that a 19 year old girl in the company of others acting as middle men in drug transactions to get more time then a child molester. It is not right and it is not equal, and the punishments are not fitting the crimes.

Jnet, this kind of discussion is great, what hopefully most of us come here for. If we all agreed on everything what would we have to discuss?

BTW, Misty is not 17 and she was not 17 when she was busted for drug trafficking.

Florida DOES have different sentencing guidelines for juveniles, they are NOT subject to mandatory min/max sentences. But Misty is NOT a juvenile, time to take responsibility for her own actions.

Good Point WhyLie! Its sad!

Well,Jaba…I don’t have to think about it,I already know I care and how to do that without conditions ,but I think we’re putting the cart before the horse!And I am serious that if I were allowed,yes i would do it!

We all think we know the real Misty and maybe we do but what if we dont really know for sure?
Misty may be more than what is on the surface and in my opinion needs a real professional and it would take years until she was totally rehabilitated.jmo

Ladie Sadie- I too would take Misty in but she might like prison better because you get a listerine swab to clean out your mouth after a curse word here and that is the original Listerine none of the flavored kinds!

Sorry I must have hit the button twice!

I’m not sure if we can seperate Haleigh from the drugs. At this point we don’t know if the two are linked. I do think people will help Misty if she needs it. Lots of good hearts on his site. Jnet I am truly sorry for the loss of your daughter.
Please just one more thing about the drugs. The FDA pulled 14 unapproved narcotics from shelves. Oxycodin was marketed under the non-narcotic class. Doctors prescribed it for everything. Then the FDA labelled it narcotic and many people were hooked to the drug. Doctors became afraid to prescribe it and those addicted broke laws to get it. Addicts to jail and pharmaceutical companies swept there responsibility under the rug. Tried to cut + paste link but didn’t work.
ladySadie marijuana doesn’t come by dose but by grade jfyi

I think its equal parts being will to help, be able to help and planning the help out with specific goals etc… Imo

jaba, it think it would take more than just education and rehab. For several years Misty would have to have NO contact whatsoever with ANYONE connected to her old life. And sorry to say that includes her parents

Yes Jaba,true but why would I plan all this when i don’t know her outcome yet,sure if i get word she’ll be free but I am not so ignorant that I don’t know that!!!!!
You forget I’ve lived alot of the life Misty did and I know it doesn’t happen by magic???
It would be a very difficult task but if i thought for a second I could not handle it,Then i would never agree to it?

Alexandrea not the flavored kind that was worth the double post lol

CathyJo
Did you ever write to Misty ?

Dang Jaba,Like I said,I don’t have to think it through,I already know what it would require!!
But don’t insinuate i don’t know what it takes!

No Cricket,I wrote it but like me and others were thinking,Her lawyer may not take kindly to it,Look at Padilla,lol

Your good people all of you. Just want you to know that. If your hearts were not big you wouldn’t be here for Haleigh.

jaba said,in June 15th, 2010 at 4:50 pm Me will be devastated that one would outrun a cop. Can you imagine the danger?

Has to be way worse than jay walking and spinning wheels. Imo
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Devastated? LOL. Not quite.

Many teenagers do stupid things. We are unable to properly weigh the risk until we are about in our mid 20s (according to scientific studies). Many engage in risky behaviours like drink driving, reckless driving, binge drinking etc.

Thank you, I knew MC was 18 when arrested,(or had turned so the month prior) I thought most of the “sting operation” was conducted while she was 17, not sure that makes any difference in a Florida state of law tho…..

I remember MC had just turned 16 when precious HaLeigh went missing……. and I was appalled a person that age was put in the situation of; or was trying to be; surrogate mother/wife at such a young age..little did I know at that time….the “rest of the story”

Yes Jaba,but after I answered you kept asking?
So it felt to me like you were saying,I am not capable of it! thats all!

I understand, cathy. I get it.

LadySadie said,in June 15th, 2010 at 5:20 pm Many, many people come out of prison a better person than they were when they went in, they use the experience to better their own lives, learn from their mistakes and never commit a crime again.
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Maybe in movies they do. You obviously haven’t known many people who have spent time in prison. The recidivism rates are well documented and certainly don’t fit your statement/theory that many come out “a better person than they were when they went in”.

Me, I believe it will be legal in some form all over the US with the same penalties and regulations as beer or wine or liquor in less than 20 years. A lot quicker elsewhere.

Besides my father and brother, you are correct I obviously haven’t known many people who have spent time in prison. But prison CAN be used as a chance to straighten out a persons life IF that persons wants it to be. NOTHING can help a person that doesn’t want to be helped. We as humans have the great gift of free will, if we want to be decent human beings then we have to do that for ourselves not expect someone else or “society” to do it for us. Society has the obligation to protect the people that choose to do good and follow the laws of the country we live in. If someone chooses to break the laws they need to live with the consequences of those choices. What they decide to make of their prison experience is also their choice.

Lady I agree that society has an obligation to take care of the helpless and protect our children. However, society has already failed Misty. Long before she could make bad choices she was already messed up. She has never known how to make any good choices. I hope her sentence will provide her with the opportunity to learn life skills, get an education, have some counseling, and rehab. It is true you reap what you sow, it is also true many kids reap what their parents sow. JMO

Thank You Treece!!
I would give anything for Misty,Even her parents to be sitting where I am today!!!
Just like them,I didn’t think I’d ever make it and once I did,theres not a feeling that even compares!

me said,
in June 15th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

jnet said,in June 15th, 2010 at 5:19 pm My gosh, prisons are not really set up to rehabilitate….. there are gangs and drugs, pretty much the same street life we (tax payers) are trying to correct in the people being sent to jail… It is not working. Addicts need treatment, not incarceration for 15 yrs in a hard core prison that will only teach them new tricks, or not provide any life skills that will enable the drug abusers to live a productive life outside of incarceration.
There is nothing more I can say, and am not trying to change anyone’s mind of the Croslin/Cumming sentences, but I do find it an incredible waste of tax payers, le, court monies/time and resources…. and so very wrong on so many levels.. IF this is a drug sting only… how many fake doctor shops could have been closed down, or ships banking on the shores of Florida heavy with heroine and oxy??? OR the child molestor down the street…….rather than the focus on the small time ignorant dealers in this case??? TO me the injustice is obscene…
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Excellent post and I totally agree.
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Good post!!!! So true!!!!!

Hank and Lisa are living in a shelter and I believe the man who runs the shelter is also a preacher and a person who tries to do exactly what Cathy has talked about. Hank even says the preacher lent him money and told him not to worry about repaying him just come to church. There are people there who try to help.jmo

Where are they?jmo

CathyJo- Why was Tommy put in St. John’s if he had a case in Putnam? Isn’t Putnam County closer for him to receive visitors?

I forget,lol Tobias,I didn’t say I knew everything,rofl no but seriously i’d like to know myself but someone did tell me that,and don’t ask who,lol beats me!

I dont know but Putnam has issues with over crowding. They have almost had to close down at times. So it could be why he is there. jmo

I am curious tho,brb look for something,lol

LadySadie said,in June 15th, 2010 at 7:00 pm Besides my father and brother, you are correct I obviously haven’t known many people who have spent time in prison. But prison CAN be used as a chance to straighten out a persons life IF that persons wants it to be. NOTHING can help a person that doesn’t want to be helped. We as humans have the great gift of free will, if we want to be decent human beings then we have to do that for ourselves not expect someone else or “society” to do it for us. Society has the obligation to protect the people that choose to do good and follow the laws of the country we live in. If someone chooses to break the laws they need to live with the consequences of those choices. What they decide to make of their prison experience is also their choice.
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Sorry, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

IMO, prisons are places of punishment, not rehabilitation. Most prisoners come out bitter and nastier than they went in. They meet and befriend other criminals while in jail, and come out and often commit worse crimes than when they went in.

Prisons are necessary for people like senseless violent offenders, child molesters and people like that, however, troubled teenagers with drug problems should not be thrown in with them. It is nonsense and of no benefit to anyone…imo.

Me thanks for the posts we share some ideology.

What about Tommy? He was once just as young as Misty and has the same background. He has only one drug dealing charge. He is not much older yet not a soul would say he needs rehab and not prison, why? Just a question since I see many feeling sorry for someone who may know something about Haleigh that she has not told. We dont know her, not really. jmo

tobias, there are actually times I feel more sorry for Tommy than for Misty.

misty is a female with some ‘extra’ issues tommy didn’t have physically, but he’s seen whatever misty has seen, imo

tobias said,in June 15th, 2010 at 7:40 pm What about Tommy? He was once just as young as Misty and has the same background. He has only one drug dealing charge. He is not much older yet not a soul would say he needs rehab and not prison, why? Just a question since I see many feeling sorry for someone who may know something about Haleigh that she has not told. We dont know her, not really. jmo
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You say “He is not much older yet not a soul would say he needs rehab and not prison, why?”

IMO, he certainly needs rehab. He didn’t stand a chance either. Only difference is he is older than Misty, and had started his own life with his own family. Misty was still a young teen when this started.

If Tommy doesn’t get rehab, the taxpayers can expect to support him for the rest of his life.

Tommy was also a young teen when he started his own life with his own family. Tommy was still a child when his parents were more concerned where they were going to get their next “high” then taking care of him.

This all could have been prevented if dcsf had enough funds to cover all the cases they have. The problems could have been solved if Misty, Tommy and Timmy had been placed in foster care. That is where the most could have been done imo

Tommy is 23 years old and has an 8 year old son, do your math, that makes him 15 when he became a father. Everyone gives Hank credit for always “loving” his children and for staying with their mother, why is the same consideration not give to Tommy who at the tender age of 15 became a father and he has stayed with their mother and as far as we know until the last 2 years worked to support them.

Tommy was also working drywall when Haleigh went missing, he lost his job at the exact same time Hank did. What was Misty doing besides drugging and sexing?

Wow, 15? I was an idiot at 15. Don’t think I could have done it at that age. Glad I didn’t get myself in that position.

I honestly think Tommy has a better chance of turning his life around than Misty does. He has more reasons to, his children.

No doubt, but I’m glad I didn’t have to try.

Tommy also has a history of violence dating back to at least the time his son was a baby.

What was she doing besides drugging and sexing??? Gosh I am sorry, that comment seems so harsh to me…. I guess that is all she was/ has/ had been doing (or has known)since she was just a little girl. Oh that’s right, she still is just a girl. I put myself in that same category of society failed this generation of Croslins Cummings.

Exactly me. There should be know pharmacies involved in distribution of legalized maijuana.

Just making a point jnet, Tommy was a more productive member of society than Misty. The Croslin/Cummings parents failed their children, why is it “society” responsibility to raise their children? I did just fine raising my daughter, she does not do drugs, she is almost finished with college and has been on the honor roll every semester, she has had a part-time job since she was 16 years old. I never expected “society” to raise her that is my job/responsibility. It is/was not my job or responsibility to raise Hank and Lisa Croslin’s children.

Is there any report that Misty was sexually assaulted as young teen? Or is that just another “rumor”?

bio-hazzard said,in June 15th, 2010 at 8:26 pm Exactly me. There should be know pharmacies involved in distribution of legalized maijuana.
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I spent a fair bit of time in Vancouver recently and they have dispensaries there for medical marijuana. I assume California has the same sort of thing? Hopefully soon it will be everywhere. Where I live, we are way behind the times….we are still a long way from approving it for medical use…so sad.

And if you look at the records we arent even sure it was Misty who was to testify it could have been Timmy since he would have been a minor at the time also. jmo

I saw posts about an incident at a school.

I am backing off of this discussion because Jan gets upset by it. Its sealed and not for us to really discuss. I doubt it has anything to do with Haleigh going missing. I do think that IF she was involved DCW should have put her in foster care and got her help. jmo

So, doooona pleads down, ron wants to plead down, hope pleads out, and misty is left with all the people in the cars with her are guilty.

She has to plead doesn’t she? The deck is stacked with people who can turn on her if they wish.

Highly unlikely. jmo

He violently raped her is the story I got by someone who evidenly knew about it firsthand and a victim should never be revictimized,Like her Grandma saying “if she was molested she liked it” and thats just cruel!And he pled guilty?
Thats why Jan and the rest of us who believe it are sensitive!

If the case happened LE is allowed to look into the files sealed or not. FBI also.jmo

But why would they,this has nothing to do with either case Tobias??

I don’t think they need to look,enough has been done already,and she lived it,I wouldn’t want that done tome me,ya know!It would be like being raped all over again!

Ridiculous!!!!!

Like I said we have no proof one way or the other so we should leave it alone. We cant say for a certainty what occured or who was the victim. I think he is where he should be. jmo

exactly Tobias,agreed!!!

omg Alex,I forget,lol

Cathy, Did you notice Kimberly Collins was also to testify in that case? jmo

Heck one of the videos shows them getting ready to make this a monthly thing. There was no entrapment here. jmo

I think they are buying time we shall know for sure if she doesnt plea by Aug. 16. jmo

LadySadie- I think in one of the videos,Misty appeared quite uncomfortable. The UC wanted her to drive somewhere with him and she said no, if I remember correctly! imo Misty is brave when there are people around that she knows but out of that environment she is a scared child!

Alexandria yes just a random person that took Haleigh. I just think that if someone of the cast had any idea of who was resposiblr would have cracked.

That was because the UC didnt want to go to the Dunns Creek bridge. H e wanted to go to the gas station instead. I think he was a little afraid since the area is desolate and unlit. He said he had seen cops there earlier. jmo

Thanks Treece. My apologies to Jan if I crossed the line.

Treece, I did not bring this up I brought up the run away incident. go back and look. I know its a sensitive subject and even stated it. jmo

Biohazard- to me the door is always left open to a sex offender, other then that the only other stranger, imo, would be an associate of Ronald’s! Right now he is still my prime suspect! He should never have left Misty watch does children after she had been gone for three days and he hadn’t known if she was on drugs or what type they were!

I don’t want to bust someone’s balls or ovaries, but I find this inquisitive intrusion on a minor’s privacy very disturbing!

Wl,

What should we make of mistys drug run when she was robbed and called 911?

What if her own sister in law or friend tipped le while being questioned for Haleighs disappearance.? I think those point to the proclivity to engage in sales.

I see the florida law more about weight than just hand to hand, however quick. I think they want to stop the dealing and set specific weights as actions worthy of such pnealties, but we traveled that path already.

I guess I see mistys actual crime fitting the statute written. The penalty follows, unless she is willing to plead into a better position. One that includes less time.

you make great points.

tobias said,
in June 15th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

I dont understand why she wasnt put into foster care after the incident in Flagler?
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I thought that is what you were referring to here. If not, I am sorry for assuming that please forgive me. Being a victim myself I am very sensitive about blaming the victim.

jaba- maybe the 911 call for the drug run & robbery was the catalyst for setting Misty up!

No offense to anyone but I don’t read tobias as a ‘fire starter’ by any stretch of the imagination. I believe I watched her post things with caveats all over them trying to dane away from that subject. I think she handled it properly. Imo

Treece, I would never blame the victim. I just believe DCF dropped the ball at that time. jmo

Somebody connected the UC with Misty, and usually that ends up being a person who is facing charges for something. I think how that was done will be important.

As far as her robbery goes, no charges relating to drugs were placed on Misty. It comes down to a she said/he said scenario. One girl said they were there to get drugs, Misty said they weren’t, so I am not sure how much of an impact that would have on the case.

Alexandria, I agree that the 911 call because Misty and 2 friends were robbed while trying to buy drugs is the catalyst for UC drug task force sting, but I in no way think Misty was “set up”. Drug task forces all across the nation work in this same way to get drug dealers off the street. Misty got caught trafficking in drugs, plain and simple.

WhyLie, that incident could have been what put Misty on the drug task force’s radar. That is not entrapment, that is taking the opportunity to get a drug dealer off the streets, that is the job of the drug task force.

Sorry,I disagree,They needed a way to get her in jail and they did it,It may well be,because she did get robbed trying to get drugs that they knew they could do that!

Well,Its the truth Adams,rofl but my cheeks are still burning,but once it henters my nind,tooooo late,lol

I understand what you’re saying LadySadie, but I believe what put Misty on the radar was Haleigh being missing, and after reading so much about PCSO I honestly believe that no UC would have been sent out to make deals with that group and get them busted if it weren’t for Haleigh being missing. They are small potatoes in the big picture of drug dealing.

As much as we hear, and want to believe, they are separate cases we all know that is not true. We saw how quickly Tommy’s bond got lowered when he gave them the info about him going to the MH that night.

I think le could have a reasonable suspicion of why the girls were there, in that area. If one is cruising in an area know to be a drug area, probable cause can get you checked on.

And one of them owned up and they didn’t charge them becasue of no proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but maybe enough probable cause to do the sting, idk, and she bit.

She kept doing it too.

I think misty was with or around ron all the time. She never went too hungry or slept outside or missed a party or a pill becasue she didn’t have resources. Imo

Tobias,I am thanking God it didn’t! rofl,I thought ahh we are all girls but after i hit send,omggggggg was hoping nobody would notice,no such luck!!!!!!

So CathyJo was Misty doing/dealing drugs before the drug task force targeted her or not? It really is as simple as that. If LE gets information that someone (anyone) is doing/dealing drugs and they watch/target that person, there is nothing wrong with that. The fact that Misty was already on LE’s radar because of her involvement with the Haleigh case just means they were already watching her, does not mean the “entrapped” her. Misty choose to deal drugs, she got caught, now she has to decide how to handle the consequences.

Yes, cj, you did say that.

shux,i got booted,lol and ended up on a different article too,lol

If Ron has anything to offer up regarding HaLeigh, well then he has to answer for it. Why would the “innocent” father of a missing child sit back and hang on to serious info?

Exactly right Adams! Why?

But you know my theory Adama,I still have it??

CathyJo, they saw an opportunity, they took it. Doesn’t change the fact that Misty was trafficking drugs. If LE walks down the street and sees a person they suspect of robbing the local bank dealing in drugs should they just ignore it?

Yes Cathy, and I have pretty much have maintained that Ron nor Misty directly harmed HaLeigh.

Entrapment is not an easy defense to win that is for sure, but Misty is facing over a hundred years in prison, what does she have to lose?

This is from a law blog for Florida law.

Subjective entrapment, a jury issue, argues that the accused was not looking for or seeking to commit the crime, that the opportunity was brought to him/her by the police or an agent (confidential informant), had no history of that particular crime, and was brought into the criminal enterprise by inducements engineered by the police or a police agent (confidential informant).
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I think the key for Misty would be the inducements offered/given her to purchase drugs for the UC as well as no prior history of drug selling.

What Jaba,You might think you do,lol
If i am sitting around and somebody says,OMG i just lost a 20 dollar bill,Shux i shake all over,get tore up and didn’t have a thing to do with it,I am just that way!
The couple times i have got pulled over by le,I shake like everything and they aske me,why are you so nervous,what are you hiding,I simply tell em the truth………I’m terrified of cops,authority,……….anywhere that i feel I am being judged! They laffed with me then!

Exactly,I never said it did,Lady!
I was simply saying they took the opportunity b/c they wanted her…..imo

jaba- I have a friend who always says, if they were innocent then why were they arrested? She honestly beleives that LE don’t make mistakes and only the guilty are arrested. If someone is acquitted she thinks they got off on a technicality. She has never sat on a panel!

jaba, I am all for getting the little guy to get to the big fish. That was not done nor attempted in this case. This group was targeted for one reason and that was to get them behind bars. LE had no care of getting drugs or big time drug dealers off the street. That is not what LE was out to do. My gosh they were buying prescription drugs off of Vets, and goodness maybe little old ladies, needing money to get by. They were middlemen, not big time dealers by any means.

Do I approve of them selling drugs, heck no. Do I think they need punished, heck yes, but do I think any of them should be locked up for 15 to 100 years, no I don’t. I think the punishment needs to fit the crime.

they didn’t worry about it when Ron clearly was caught all the other times,even cocaine????? so no,I don’t buy that!

Well, your case is particular to you. I don’t see that here. Imo anyway.

If you aren’t guilty of wromg doing you never have to look over your shoulder. Again, imo.

tobias I honestly do not think they were getting the pills from “big time drug dealers.” I think they were getting them from everyday people who had “legal” prescriptions for the pills who sold a few here and there to get by.

CathyJo63 said,in June 15th, 2010 at 9:26 pm LoL Treece,me too……I may not have the cherry but i still got the box it came in! ROFL!
Did I just say that? omg
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OMFG!!
cathy you never cease to amaze me

right Jaba,but its possible to know for certain,or no doubt whatsoever that someone is guilty by looking at them???

Barbra F. even said they wouldnt let them down there so most of their regulars wouldnt come near them. They were being watched and the smart people stayed away from them. jmo

You are right cj, how sh@t awful stupid do you have to be to deal after a child goes missing on your watch. Dumb dumbs, all of them.

Yes,They were,totally stupid?????

Remember too,Misty told the uc that Ron thought they were being set up by him right?

If they get the jury like the one I served on their goose is cooked. My experience was frightening, the people were just happy not to have to go to work and brought doughnuts like it was a party. We were supposed to determine someones guilt and possibly send someone to jail and they were partying. I lost all respect for juries. jmo

I’ve also considered this angle. Hope or maybe even Donna see being found guilty + receiving long sentencing. But maybe the sentencing is a rouse to cover there butts until case is officially underway?

I would have too Tobias!

I was kidding on being able to tell by looking.

The last jury I was on was for a robbery. The state did not prove their case and we had to let him go. I felt so bad for the victim, shoddy, shoddy, presentation by the prosecutor. I felt so guilty letting the guy off, we knew he was guilty but there just was no evidence proving it. I was so disgusted with the SA’s office for their lack of putting a case together and it was the victim that suffered for it.

Misty told the uc she was trying to stay low becasue of who she was? And then still did it. Iirc

If so, she should get a 10 year bonus too perhaps.

I think she winds up with 25 max.

In mine we had video and were asked to view it and the guy had to stand and be identified. We were in the room and only me and two others watched the entire video. He was guilty but I was determined to be sure, it would have been on my concious forever if I hadnt. The others said guilty and only watch some of the tape which was very grainy. I t also was a robbery.jmo

Vaquera- She has never sat on a jury panel.

Then thats different Jaba,You didn’t say that,lol Sorry!

Then I know what you mean,Theres an actor on tv,very famous but won’t say his name cause shew lotta ppl pay atention to what i say apparently,rofl Jaba but i can look at him and know what he is?? lowest form of low!!! imo tho and I base it solely on his looks,but on a jury,I can’t judge them by looks,is all i meant!

Yes there are innocent people who took the fall for somebody else,its true all people in prison say theyre innocent,but there are a few who are!

CathyJo- I absolutely agree, especially before DNA testing! But there are also those in there for minor offenses when they committed major crimes but were allowed to plead out.
Galt, the city I live in, actually is in two counties. The very southern tip is in San Joaquin County. Over a year ago, they were do plea bargains galore because they couldn’t get anyone to appear for jury duty. One judge sent his bailiff out on the street in stockton and just pull in people off the street for jury duty!

my jury had mostly college educated people and the judge dismissed anyone who had a prior arrest..I was a high school dropout with several arrests on my record..how is that a jury of my peers? They ate up the prosecutors LIES and blinded themselves to the truth and the evidence..they foolishly loved being a part of the system and played right into LE’s hands..
the court system is rigged…only money or fame will get you justice..robert blake bought his justice..and misty will get hers..shes too famous for those bozos at putnam county to railroad, shes gonna walk because she was ENTRAPPED!! and used by LE for their endgames.
Laurel and Hardy’s career is DONE!!!

Like clockwork. Snzzzzzzzz!

And the marines took you?

Alex,very True!!!!!!!!!
Sorry was off reading! lol
Thats the gospel truth tho!!!!

Hmm,I have no idea,I know Mistys got set after Rons,lol

I knew it.

So Do I Alex,I can’t believe how long Little Caylee has been put off,It’s a shame!!!!
The way she left the world and in the manner her own so called mother did it and still 3 yrs later and nothing!

LoL @ Laurel and Hardy!! You’re plumb crazy OJ! lOl j/k

Death penalty cases take a lot longer than drug cases. Imo

We hear it every day.

*the jury decides death in caseys case, I believe.

Here, even if the Jury decides death the judge can give a life sentence instead! I always felt if that’s the case why waste the jory’s time!

thats true Alex!!

1st post here I think – lirked since day one. MC is your poster sexually abused child case IMO. Displays all of the symptoms like low self esteem.. Watching the tapes infuriates me because so many people feel sorry for Sr. and LC but I think MC had to endure a totally drug addicted Mother and Father and who knows what else …. I am sorry if this is not allowed. RC found a family that could mule for him. He struck a goldmine in is nimd until they started to vacuum more profits than they were worth. Maybe Sr has remorse but you had three children that you needed to keep safe and you did not do this. This case has completely blown my mind away with all of the players. However it is so clear to me that RC was the ring leader and that the Croslins did what he said bc he fed their habits. However they allowed how he treated their daughter bc he fed their habits. I may be totally off but I highly doubt it.

I have to thank this site for keeping HaLeigh news going.

Curious G

A 16 year old tries to be a mum seeking love in all the wrong places because she already comes from a dysfunctional family. She is suspected by many of killing a missing child who went missing in her care. The ADULTS around her condone her marrying a man older than herself and it is his child who is missing. She may know something and she may not, but she comes across as someone who has had little or no education and who does not possess the ability to think things through. The other people in that car were adults and should have been protecting her and not allowing her to be involved.

Now an 18 year old faces a long time in jail for being used as a vulnerable child. I see what was done to Misty as child abuse. Where were the authorities when Ron was sleeping with her and any others? Why was nobody involved in trying to help her understand her poor life choices and that she had poor role models?

I am not sure who killed Haleigh. It seems to me there are many possibilities, but that Misty is able in many ways – looking at how she relates on video, able to relate to children. If she did do anything I think she would probably not have been able to hide that because she is so very child like herself. I CAN imagine any one of the other suspects doing something and somehow involving Misty in a way that makes her think she has to cover up.

IMO both Misty and Haleigh are abused and victims. Misty won’t grow up in jail. In the general population they will eat her alive. Worse, she will become the victim and prey of some older woman.

Meanwhile all the drug stuff has taken the focus off of the search for Haleigh and my guess is that LE are probably looking at the wrong person. However, it is possible that Misty did something either ordered to – like giving Haleigh pills or accidentally and was told by the others she must never tell or they will do something to her family.

She may also be abused and dissasociate and have done something or seen but have no surface memory of it which is why she would be holding something back.

Misty’s mental age needs to be tested. I do not think she acts her age. Abuse, especially severe abuse in childhood can arrest development.

What kind of state allows marriage at the age Misty got married anyway? And leaving Misty aside, what kind of state makes a legislation so draconian that small time drug users can end up in prison for 15 years or more when they are involved by adults (and whether or not Misty chose that route she was in the company of adults who did not protect her from her own stupidity.)

I do also think the drug sting was a set up. I don’t condone buying the drugs, but there were other ways to catch people and also it is unfair to subject a person not already tried to trial by internet video. I think the whole thing is going to be thrown out for entrapment but that may be because it probably would here in the UK.

And as others have said, this drug sentence is not proportionate to that given for murder or assault.

Justanother, almost all states allow marriage at the age Misty got married with parental consent. Her parents went and signed the consent papers. Agreed, Timmy, Tommy and Misty should have all been removed from Hank and Lisa’s care many, many years ago. Part of the problem with that is they moved around and were never in one place for very long, therefore neighbors, teachers, etc. never got to really see what was going on with the family. Other family members, such as Gramma Hollars, were just as bad as Hank and Lisa, with the drug use and abuse, so they never interceded for these children’s welfare. Lisa and Hank knew to never stay one place too long because their drug and child abuse would become apparent. That is how children such as Timmy, Tommy and Misty “fall through the cracks”. Even though I do not think Misty is as “stupid” as some want to make her out to be, she is very much “street” smart and knows exactly how to play those she wants sympathy from, or how to “play” others to get exactly what she wants.

Now that being said, I think all involved in the drug business should be arrested, whether “big fish” or “small fish”. How do you think they get to the “big” guys? By arresting the “little” guys and then making deals with them to lead to the arrest of the “big” guys.

Justanothervoice…you said “She may also be abused and dissasociate and have done something or seen but have no surface memory of it which is why she would be holding something back.”
I totally agree and have said this all along. I hope they are finding out more through a psychiatrist in jail and are giving her some medications. She doesn’t even know that she knows…It will be traumatic for her to go through it again in memory, but I think it will tell us what happened to Haleigh.

Alex, you said…”I disagree, the driver was being told where to stop …..has done this before without this driver!”
Yes, I beleive they have bought pills and got extra for their friends too in the past, but in no way are they what I see as “drug traffickers”. Kids all over the world do this sort of stuff all the time. Its their way of life. Busting them does not stop the real drug traffikers. I think of it like this: ex. Why bust young people stealing from a department store and give them a life sentence and label them as “master theifs”? Same thing if you ask me. It makes no sense. It’s an over the top judgment by LE and unjustified sentencing. I think WhyLie and I agree on this one.

LadyS: I agree and hate to see those who fall through the cracks get caught up in the criminal justice wheel. The other issues is when they do get out, like Hope Sykes, and no one follows up and they again fall through the cracks. Recidivism rates are so high due to this. I agree that Misty did know how to play on others to get what she wanted, but so do most 17 y/o girls. She was in a family setting where this may of been learned. I don’t think she was too street smart, or she would of known not to trust the UC guy. I’m glad she got busted (for her own good) and I would see it as a way to stop her pattern. But the treatment she is getting is wrong. An advocate needs to step up and protest the whole thing. It won’t solve anything and she doesn’t deserve to spend her life behind bars for going around that neighborhood selling, etc., just trying to meet her addiction needs.

Just my thoughts.

If these folks are guilty only of the drug charges, I don’t won’t to support them for the next 15 to 30 years. Let’s find Haleigh one way or the other. Give the one that did it whatever punishment that is maximum.

If they didn’t do it. Release them with the stipulation they find employment within 90 days
and be self supporting.

Enough…. enough of supporting this bunch get
the KINGPINS now.

MISTY CROSLIN IS NOT A DRUG KINPIN.

COOP, I agree. These are petty theft types who do what they do to feed their addictions. Get them help and get them out. Tax dollars and LE resources should go to get the major criminals off the streets.

Bio-Hazard so sorry to hear that you are having to fight the nasty c word. If a joint
makes you feel less ill go for it. Kids don’t need to smoke dope. They need to be young have fun, do the things that muscle and bones don’t
let you do when you get older. However, if you
have been young, raised a family, set good values and can afford it to smoke it if you got it…..

Maybe you may have to have Jan57 come visit up there if she doesn’t get good news today.
You guys both are in my prayers

morning ladies

Justanothervoice thanks for the post it shares many similar points to many of the posts here. However Florida carries out these sentences. Nice to have you here posting from UK.

Any updates today folks. I got caught up a little this morning on yesterday’s blogs.

Bio-Hazard Good Luck..Our local newscaster here on the First Coast of Florida wrote a book called The Good Fight. It’s about her struggle with breast cancer. I don’t even have the courage to read it must less go thru what you amazing women have.

the dictator of panama, noreiga, only did 17 years in a florida prison for drug trafficing..
the justice system in putnam county has perverted the mandatory aentencing laws into their own private torture chamber!
LE wants misty DEAD!! HANGING in her cell!!
to make the EMBARASSMENT go away!
SHAME on pcso for their inept bungling of the haleigh investigation!

I tell you I just don’t think it’s my place to support these healty adults. If we have to house them at least for the safety of society
they need to earn their. Take them off to a remote local on the west coast of florida and let them clean up this oil.

I just hate they get a free ride. I don’t care
if they are in confinement. They get 3 hots and
a cot ,medical care, dental….for 15 to 25 years .That is not doing the State of Florida or it’s taxpayers a fair shake.

Bio, I don’t think Misty was a drug addict. Misty was probably a little pot head. Misty I think played a bigger role in keeping her mom
straight than we think.

OJ… I feel bad for Misty….given those parents none of know what we would do . Misty just isn’t smart enough to fool the FBI. SHe may pull the wool over Hardy’s eyes but she won’t the FEDS. If she knows anything she is really afraid or traumatized (sp)

WhyLie- Is Hope Peters related to one of the Putnam LE? Also does $ 0 bail mean – O R (own recognizance (in CA)) or No Bond?

$O BAIL IS NO BAIL.JMO

Alex, Yes to both questions.

Surely the entire workforce at PCSO in not corrupt. I just don’t think Haleigh’s disappearance has anything to do with it.

Still going with the Ron did it theory this week.

Hey Guys,gotta catch up!

WhyLie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 11:49 am

Somebody tried to screw it up from the get go and I don’t think it was Misty? sooooo……..

Good afternoon cathyjo
I was talking to my old neighbor that moved there as a quite retirement. They are mad.
They say this has just shaken their sense of security. I just it seems like a lot down there has been going on that the average Joe
knew nothing about.

It’s a shame. I was actually affordable to live there , quite and clean. I sure hope all
this blows over of Putnam County. The normal Joe did nothing to have all this dumped in their door.

How could this happen in Hometown, USA

And Oh,Good Afternoon to you too Coop! lol sorry

Cathyjo, I do remember that in the video. Misty, at 17 probably could sleep through a freight train coming through if she was even at home.

Ron slipped home to see what was going on with his bad azz self and got pissed and hurt that baby. Ron has been 3rd generation river rat he knows where to dump that kid on his way back to work.

I tell you one damn thing if he didn’t go home after he couldn’t get a hold of Misty he is still a POS. Ron Cummings is worthless weather or not he is guilty. I don’t like it when I hear Ron was making a living. Ron was out trying to pick up minors,taking drugs and slinging guns.

I don’t know what happened to Trot either. At first those folks talked and talked about it.
However,I think they think that this is the reason their property values are down. Which is
crazy. This has nothing to do with Haleigh and everything to do with a real estate bubble.

I would love to get my husband to go for a Sunday drive down there. I would love to just see for myself if the survelliance could have been avoided. Probably, not without going so far out of the way he couldn’t have gotten in and out without being noticed.

WhyLie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 1:03 pm COOP the surveillance camera on 17 would have shown traveling back and forth from work to home that night, and LE definitely would have been all over him if that was the case.
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If he used his vehicle,IMO I think he used TN truck! Came home in his!
The LE have never confirmed him in detail?
We are assuming,lol
Theres a reason he got fired 3 days prior to the date he was to return,
He told Cobra in the transcript that LE asked him how did he make it home so fast? From the time on that tape and store video?
IMO Thats where TN came in??
They switched vehicles and phones,betcha!!
She stayed at the job site outside in bushes or close by? They knew from Caylee’s case about all that? jmo and theory………..

and If I die tomorrow guys please keep my theory alive!!! LoL

and also,rons workplace is surrounded with water? More than one way!

CJ on the audio Ron told Cobra that LE had him on the camera on 17 and asked him what took him so long to get home. He then told them he stopped at the store.

Maybe PDM let him go because hundreds of bloggers called them when his attorney said he was going back to work. Just a thought since so many bloggers were hooked to their phones calling PDM in the beginning, DCF, LE, KP, Cobra, and goodness only knows who else.

But why would they fire him when the told him he could come back on april6?
You could be right too,lol but not imo

Maybe they changed their mind after a ton of phone calls between the time it was announced he was going back to work and the time he was actually supposed to go back.

I honestly don’t know CJ, but if you were on the boards back then you are well aware of all the people who said they were making calls to Putnam county. So I can see PDM deciding it was not worth it to them to keep Ron as an employee.

Well;,under normal circumstances you are right……exactly who would??
But this is a man whose dtr went missing? so………

Cathyjo greeting to you. What in the world would give motive to harm that precious child?

I don’t think They’d have done it for that reason? I don’t know if its true but i heard he had a few writeups at work before??
But don’t take my word for it to be true,lol

PDM released nothing to anybody except LE so I doubt anybody knows if Ron was ever written up or not.

It just occurred to me that LE actually had a chance to rope Misty/DB in… a lot sooner and possibly would have had a more ‘solid’ case {without an undercover op} with stiffer penalties than they do now. Why didn’t they act then? Ohh wait! I remember now… it wasn’t reported until later, AFTER they came back from the Big Apple!

** If I’m wrong, set me straight, PLEASE**

I forgot to add to my last post: Misty was still a minor on that trip!

Really,WhyLie?
Ann sykes lives right behind it?

CathyJo63 said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

Really,WhyLie?
Ann sykes lives right behind it?
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You lost me, LOL.

People forget Ron did not own that MH. He had only been there a short time. Not like that is the home Haleigh grew up in. Not like anybody to expect Haleigh to come walking down the road and come home. I wouldn’t have stayed if it were me.

Oh no. She lives in Welaka which is maybe 10 miles from Green Lane.

nO wHYlIE,BUT I THINK i’D HAVE STAYED JUST INCASE WHO EVER TOOK HER BROUGHT HER BACK? i DON’T BUY IT,LOL

Good, Donna Brock should get at least 15 years. She’s just another loser that went along for the ride. Given her age, she should know better.

OMG Sorry!!

bbib gotta look for sommin now,lol

WhyLie,
all this goes back to the old saying
walk a mile in my shoes.
Noone no’s for sure unless they’ve been there
and enven then
you might react diffrently the next
time.

Alex,
What the story with Pamela Harris ?,
thats my sisters name.

Alex, I think I would have booted his behind out the door, and not gone along with it. I wonder just how much they investigated that Chisolm’s home burning down. Kind of odd his house burns down and then he is involved in the burning of a vehicle.

Whylie- I agree!

Cricket- YW, Hope it’s not your sister!

Doent anyone find it strange that NayNay would go back into jail just to change who her bail agent was? She wanted Chucks instead of A-1. I find that very interesting.jmo

I thought Cobra surrendered Nay Nay’s bond and Amber turned herself in and got rebonded out by Chuck? Do I have that mixed up?

TJ taped Cobra taking Nay Nay away in handcuffs after he surrendered her bond and took her back to jail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76X7gH6EBpk

After Cobra took in Nay Nay, Amber turned herself in and they both ended up getting bonded out by Jerome through Chucks Bail Bond.

WhyLie said,in June 16th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Maybe PDM let him go because hundreds of bloggers called them when his attorney said he was going back to work. Just a thought since so many bloggers were hooked to their phones calling PDM in the beginning, DCF, LE, KP, Cobra, and goodness only knows who else.
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I’ve always thought that they let him go because of the nasty hate campaign launched by KP, Crystal, Marie and that gang. They were making crazy allegations on national tv at the time that he was let go. I’ve never understood why the mother of 3 children, who doesn’t work herself, would want the provider of two of those children to lose their job.

The Griffis/Sheffield clan have moved back to the top of my suspect list. They never seemed interested in getting people to look for Haleigh….only interested in trashing Ron and making money out of this.

According to Misty she had her own prescription, and Ron usually took it from her. I dont think she needed any extra pills given to her, I think she kept herself supplied. jmo

tobias said,in June 16th, 2010 at 4:51 pm According to Misty she had her own prescription, and Ron usually took it from her. I dont think she needed any extra pills given to her, I think she kept herself supplied. jmo
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You think Steph lied about it? He’s pretty silly to go on radio saying such a thing if it was a lie.

You think Doctors were over-prescribing to Misty? What are your thoughts then about the fact they don’t seem to have been investigated for doing so? You agree with over-prescribing addictive meds to teens?

Croslin co-defendant pleads to drug charge
Donna Brock arrested with Croslin in undercover sting
Posted: June 16, 2010 – 12:03am

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Donna Brock appears in front of Circuit Court

By RICHARD PRIOR

A woman who befriended the last person to see HaLeigh Cummings alive in February 2009 is facing at least 15 years in prison after pleading Tuesday to a drug trafficking charge.

Donna Michelle Brock, 44, who was arrested with Misty Croslin in an undercover operation in January, pleaded no contest to dealing between 14 and 28 grams of oxycodone.

The first-degree felony carries a maximum punishment of 30 years in prison. It calls for a minimum mandatory sentence of 15 years and a $100,000 fine.
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-06-16/croslin-co-defendant-pleads-drug-charge

From watching the sting videos it was obvious they were not selling their own pills, they were going elsewhere to purchase them. I would think that all of them were put on some kind of anti-anxiety medication after Haleigh went missing. I can’t imagine why a doc would be giving Misty pain medication on a regular basis.

me – I think there are doctors who beleive patients and give them enough pain medication to take care of themself and then there are doctors who give you whatever you want just so you leave them alone and then there are doctors who give you anything you want as long as you pay for it! My boys are in there 40′s, but when they were young and we went to the doctors, it never failed that there was a parent wanting antibiotics for their child even though the child didn’t need them. To some extent I think, as parents, by doing some of these things we have shown our children it is okay to take drugs we don’t need! My boys hated taking medication until they had flavoring in them, then they’d pretend to have a cough just for a taste of it! I learned early on not to get flavored medications if plain old nasty was available.

Whylie- totally agree.

Biohazard–I would also like to know if there were any home invasions in the area too. Could Haleigh (going to the bathroom) interrupted a burglary and the perpertator took her? I believe that kitchen light stays on because the kids frequent the bathroom and they were scared of the dark. Also a thief would prop open the back door to carry the goods out with something handy like a brick. Haleigh would have had to be silenced by a hand over the mouth not to mention her squirming to get away. This person would have a vehicle parked nearby– a get away car. I bet that front door was unlocked due to GGMA Sykes bringing laundry over that night and Misty forgot to lock it. I do not believe any of these people had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance (my opinion only). They would never know about cell phone pings or staging an abduction, nor creating an alibi by stopping by a convenience store to be “seen” on camera/video. Another is the camera red light that would capture their image or vehicle license plate number. This people are not the type to be up to date on innovations in crime scene technology. Nor would guilty people take multiple LDTs. These people are not the type to watch CSI or Forensic Files, or avid fans of Law and Order. As long as LE considers them to be guilty of this crime, the actual perpetrator gets farther away and can cover their tracks. The person has all ready had 16 months how much longer is LE going to give them? JMO

Misty claimed they used someone elses insurance or something. She had a few teeth pulled, claimed for free. I dont think she would go for the laughing gas, shes too smart. But it could have been what Donna had planned. jmo

Using someone else’s insurance is a crime!

me said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

WhyLie…I agree re Steph.

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I also agree!!

beautiful, from the sounds of what was on the UC incident report, Donna had her own prescriptions. That is what she was probably pumping Misty up with.

If this info has come to the attention of LE then why hasn’t Donna been charged with more crimes? Misty was a minor and Donna, per TM, was acting like the mother Misty never had.

NEWS FLASH TM, DONNA WAS ACTING JUST LIKE THE MOTHER MISTY ALREADY HAD.

Oh I would love to see the SA be stupid enough to put Doona on the stand. Fields will tear her up one side and down the other.

BA,Where did you hear that?

Alexandria,

I’m with you re looking for alternatives…but find it hard to find a Dr. willing to assist more often than not. I also hate their “medicine”….it usually makes me sicker rather than better.

WhyLie- Good News Flash!

BA- I’ll be rooting too!

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in June 16th, 2010 at 6:02 pm tobias said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

BA,Where did you hear that?
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St. Augustine.com
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Wow! If Misty’s attorney is any good, she’ll be ripped to shreds on the stand. She is a nasty piece of work, imo.

Tobias- So do I. We grew up in New York and my mom swears by NY doctors, so when she came out here, I took her to so many doctors until we found one who had New York on his diploma. Mom feels great with him and he is right here in Galt and is my doctor too.
WhyLie- that’s what happens with me!

Guess they wont need old Ronnie boy if they have Donna? ha. jmo

Bio-hazzard said,in June 16th, 2010 at 11:43 am I read a medical article about drug and alcohol addiction. It basically explained how addicts don’t mature past the age that people become full time addicts. Found that interesting.
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Yes Bio, that is true for drugs and alcohol both. They usually don’t make it through the stages of their life and that is part of the therapy they receive too.

Where is Haleigh?

Ron and Misty are innocent in my opinion.

OJ, so you don’t go in for that library type?

I have been thinking about Ronald’s friend Orlando lately. Any chance he could have killed HaLeigh?

jnet, just be glad you don’t live in Florida since you think our laws are “crazy”. I myself as a citizen of Florida am very much in favor of the stiff penalty’s for drug charges, I voted for them and will continue to vote for stiffer penalty’s. If you don’t like Florida’s laws don’t move here.

jnet, the idea is real simple, DON’T DO DRUGS. Then the dealers will have no one to sell to, they then go out of business.

Robin I feel it is very important to see if there were home invasions . There was not any response to my post. Did a quick google but didn’t find anything relevant. Will search again tomorrow. From what I have read LE didn’t use a large home to home investigation. Please correct me if I am wrong. There have been home invasions that turn to abductions.

Very well said JenM you state many statistics that are true and easy to find…. however it all is so very sad. Perhaps someday we/govt/state can improve treatment, rehabilitation, education, life skills. medical treatment, for those in need, as of today, we IMHO are failing miserably… and yes I do feel responsible..and sad I dont know how to contribute more..

I never lack for an opinion Alex…so can I give you my input:) I think MC used drugs because 1) normal behaviour she saw and was raised with her parents and gramma abusing drugs, how or why would she think it wrong? 2)Her husband or boyfriend she watched from the age of 16 use drugs 3) This was a primary source of income…. so it must be okay 4)MC was a CHILD self medicating from the chaos she was raised and tossed around in 5) to escape and numb herself from the abuse sexual and physicalshe endured because no adult was looking out for this child…………. top 5 that come to my mind

Agree jnet. Misty did what she knew. Just like the rest of us. Why do we do what we do? We do what we know, period. Change is very difficult. That goes for everyone.
There are so many reasons that kids and adults alike take drugs. I see being addicted to any drug as an addiction. Because someone is addicted to their prescribed meds is no different than being addicted to illegal meds. What makes some drugs illegal and others not? Well there is the $24,000 question! Why is it ok for people to stop off at the Methadone clinics to get their fix every morning before going to their job and the state pays for it, as opposed to those who get their meds in other ways? Anyway, I won’t even go there, because this takes the focus off Haleigh.

I hope Haleigh did not get into any drugs. A child can get into legal prescribed medications just as easy as medications not prescribed. Why persecute the parents of one more than the other??? Doesn’t make sense to me.

Hey OJ did you find God or just great sarcasm with the IMHO???? Please let me tell you, thanks for the smile!! It’s been a long day, thank you for making me laugh….. you do crack me up!!!!

OJ’s glove said,
in June 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

OMG..doona looks hideous!
Why didn’t she give the double diget salute to the judge like she did in that photo?
poor doona
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LOL..she definitely doesn’t look anything like she did when that picture was taken.

Again, I agree JenM. Have a great night all, best thoughts to you and yours!!

How about we do the education, life skills, medical intervention starting at a very young age, before the need for incarceration? Expand the programs for children and young teens. And instead of the “keep the family intact at all costs” attitude we see with Children Services nationwide, get the children out of abusive homes, and yes that means homes where parents do drugs. Give the parents options of jail or drug rehab and parenting classes, give more support to Children Services so they can make sure the children will return to safe, drug free homes and continue to follow up on the cases for a long time. Then after all those options have been followed and they still turn to a criminal lifestyle then very stiff penalties.

OJ if you continue to abuse me and put insulting plays on my screen name I will continue to report your abuse to the hosts of this blog. If you don’t like what I have to say then simply ignore it.

LadyS, you said, “we do the education, life skills, medical intervention starting at a very young age, before the need for incarceration? Expand the programs for children and young teens.”

I think those are great ideas!!! My number one Prevention Intervention though is PreScreening for Mental Illness when in Elementary school throughout to HighSchool. This can catch all sorts of things from Depression to Anti-Social Personalities that are developing. It will hopefully get the kids the help they need and avoid the juvenile justice system.

Cathy Jo said:
If he used his vehicle,IMO I think he used TN truck! Came home in his!
The LE have never confirmed him in detail?
We are assuming,lol
Theres a reason he got fired 3 days prior to the date he was to return,
He told Cobra in the transcript that LE asked him how did he make it home so fast? From the time on that tape and store video?
IMO Thats where TN came in??
They switched vehicles and phones,betcha!!
She stayed at the job site outside in bushes or close by? They knew from Caylee’s case about all that? jmo and theory………..
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yes thats it Theresa N helped Ron kill her grandchild and dispose of her body for no reason. Why would the dad and grandmother kill this baby? I dont think thats what happened. IMHO.

I bet I know who Kris?

Karri said,in June 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Thats my opinion…you have yours too !
IMO It is exactly what happened,but i did not say TN killed anybody!

so is this true? if so that means she would be making money in vain for others to share the profits off of a abduction/murder? of a little girl? so if MG is upset then is she still connected to WK? cant they sue her for that? I hope they are not in on that too

I am just at a loss for words.

JenM said,in June 16th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
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I agree,addiction is psychological,you have to learn to live and be happy without drugs,Metadone and all that crap is just a replacement!!! Trading one drug for another!

WhyLie,me too,thats so disappointing!
Everyday we come hoping for good news and now we see this,I am a basket case right now!

CathyJo63 said,in June 17th, 2010 at 11:49 am I dunno,lol maybe someone who used to be married to ya,lol jmo
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what did that mean?

IMO Only,I am betting on js? jmo tho Kris!
I heard it awhile back just hoped it was a rumor!

Who you calling a lady OJ? LoL j/k

Kris,Nothing shocks me any more about any of them!

Well we all know who brought Wackanne into the picture.

All about the Evil Money never about the truth or the sweet missing baby girl.

Kris it has been all about money since the beginning of this case. Finding Haleigh was pushed to the back burner from the start.

It disgusts me beyond words.

I hope they burn in hell,brb

wonder who else is writing a book? hmmm

Tommy sure got a slap on the wrist for stealing from that old blind man..

06/15/2010 DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE CNT: 1

06/15/2010 VERDICT OF NO TRIAL CNT: 1

06/15/2010 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL CNT: 1

06/15/2010 50 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY JASON LEWIS,

06/15/2010 50 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLED NOLO TO THE LESSER OFFENSE OF

06/15/2010 50 TRESPASS OF OCCUPIED STRUCTURE (F.S. 810.08 2B)

06/15/2010 50 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 1 YR PCJ &/OR $1000 FINE

06/15/2010 50 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING -

06/15/2010 50 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY

06/15/2010 50 XX DAYS PCJ WITH XX DAYS CREDIT

06/15/2010 50 $283 FINE AND COST

06/15/2010 50 $50 COST OF PROSECUTION

06/15/2010 50 $50.00 LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIVE COST

06/15/2010 50 ALL COSTS ENTERED AS A CIVIL LIEN

06/15/2010 51 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT

WhyLie said,
in June 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

Well we all know who brought Wackanne into the picture
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Yeppers, Marie did.

EVEN IF HE DIDN’T USE IT THATS NOT THE CRIME,LOL THE CRIME WAS TOMMY STOLE IT NO MATTER IF HE SHOULD HAVE ONE OR NOT?

Ah, but CathyJo, we don’t know if Tommy really stole the gun, it could have been Lisa. Tommy and Lisa were together at the mans house, Lisa stole this mans checks, forged his name and used those checks. Lisa and Hank Sr. returned the gun to the man, and Lisa “said” Tommy stole it. Hmmm, with a mother like Lisa who needs enemies?

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in June 17th, 2010 at 5:35 pm I think the reason the gun charge went the way it did, was because of the owner making that statement that he was pressured LE into filing
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yep, he would have beat it at trial but they offered him a deal he couldn’t refuse.
lower the charge, no jail time, fine.

I disagree OJ, I don’t understand how what NG does is any different than the other pseudo “news” stations, or a blog site, it is so called reporting and discussions. Making a movie or writing a book, for nothing more than personal gain, I find that a completely different animal.

another thing that gets me is,Ron made it a point to say he cleaned his gun after finding it in a culvert,I don’t buy it,and why would le take it?
Maybe to keep him from “talking the piece of trash out” but if he was so sure someone stole it,why would he look in a culvert?

cathy are u talking to yourself again?
I worry about u

I believe this minimum mandatory sentencing is a travesty to the justice system. Are we saying we do not trust our judges that we vote in to use their discretion. 15 years for drug trafficing is horrible. Look at all the murderers, rapists, child molesters who get off a lot easier. I say we stop the minimum mandatory sentencing. It looks to me that LE could not pen them on the death of Haleigh, based on their gut feelings, so they entrap them for drug trafficking. We all should be weary of LE and our justice system. Lets stop minimum mandatory sentencing.