It is another busy weekend for BNN radio. We have three very diverse programs on the menu.
On Friday June/11 at 1pm central we will be talking to film makers Daniel T. O’Brien and Jennifer Powers. Their new documentary Last Flight Home is one of the years best. It does not include a lot of glitz and glamour, it just tells a story that is long overdue. WWII ended more than 60 years ago. Yet there are still many people listed as MIA. Daniel and Jennifer are part of Bent Prop, a group dedicated to bringing closure to a group of surviving families. The island group known as the Palau were the graveyard for more than 200 US planes. For well over a decade the members of Bent Prop have made annual pilgrimages to Palau. They have solved several mysteries, and in fact one particular investigation resulted in a recent ceremony at Arlington National Ceremony. The 8 members of a B-24 were finally laid to rest. You can read my review here, and to listen in to the interview use this link.
On Saturday Jun/12 we are changing gears and looking at the American Mafia. This is another in our Surviving The Mob series. My guests include ex Gambino family associate Andrew DiDonato and crime writer and author Denny Griffin. This week we will also be joined by an ex Colombo family member Billy Cutolo Jr. Billy was a very influential member of the Colombo operation, his father Billy Cutolo Sr was the number two guy, AKA the Underboss of the family. Billy and Andrew have been friends from age 12, they may have ended up in different families, but they devilled together. They both also shared a common friendship, Joseph Corozzo. A quick check on google will reveal Joseph Jojo Corozzo’s latest work endeavours. I would not be at all surprised if the New York Prosecutors office will be listening in on Saturday. To tune in, use this link.
On Sunday at 3pm central we will be running our regular program concerning the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony cases. These two cases are so frustrating. there seems to be no way to unlock them. I had a long conversation with an author today, he is in no way connected or following these cases. But, he has much to say about the press and how they jump on dysfunction, particularly when it is a sports or movie personae.
He is correct, OJ Simpson, Tiger Woods, Michael Jackson, to name but a few. The author made a valid point, they all have (or had) more money than they could find ways to spend it. This clan is different. They all leech of each other. The regular panel will be in place, and the link is here.
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Nobodys home,lol
Keep up on the mob stuff, its a great show.
anybody here now?
hey Cate…
Any one awake tonight?
is anyone here ?
Hey CJ, thanks for the shout out~several family members have had sudden emergency health issues,(when it rains, it pours) and now I have thousands of comments that I need to catch up on! Aieee!
Saw Misty’s latest appearance in court. Wow. So sad. So many divergent thoughts run through my mind regarding everyone’s silence, innocence, and/or guilt. At this point, would she still be protecting Ronald? Tommy? An unknown, fearsome drug overlord? Dammit, this case just drives me insanely crazy!
It seems it will be a very long time before we find out anything about where Haleigh is and why she is gone!
If you keep looking in the same place for the same information from the same people and getting the same results, then time to look in a different place, for some different information from some different people and maybe you will get different results! Maybe then we can all find out what happened with Haleigh. Where is she?
Makes sense to me, but obviously not to LE!
CJ, saw your link for Jeremiah Regan, et al. Soooo fascinating~ Like JenM says, they need to look outside of the box or get some fresh eyes to check out the many varied theories and tips not yet acted upon. Jen, I TOTALLY agree with you! Grrrr!
==Off Topic== Van Der Sloot
Sounds like he confessed to the Latin authorities that he killed N. Holloway, but will only testify before Aruban authorities regarding her. I think that’s a ploy to get him back under the auspices of his late Dad’s connections. I.e., even though his dad is gone, maybe someone there will protect him?
Murder murder,an more murder.What has gone wrong with society. All preying on someone weaker.An such brutal,cold hearted crimes now days.
So very many children murdered,missing.Some may never be accounted for.
Its heart breaking for the victims,an their loved ones.
If we really knew how many children who have been murdered/snatched in the last 10 yrs alone,it would shock us im sure.It does me,with just the ones i have heard of.Theres ones who are missing.Their parents may never know what happened to them That would be so hard to take..An some the parents,or parents lover may have played a part in it.Strangers preying on them every where.OMG its a crying shame.
I do keep up with the mob story.I have been interested in the true stories about them sence i was young.So with this being covered here.Its great lest us know what truly goes on behind the scenes.
Caylee deaserves justice.If J Perry keeps up as hes going pushing things right along.Not allowing any bull out of the defence team,Casey or the Anthonys.We may see this case come to trial next yr.
An little Haliegh wow will we ever know what really happened to her?? So very sad,after all this time,an still she hasnt been found.My heart breaks for her little brother as well as her.Such a sad loss.If she is deceaced. Im not totaly sold on that yet.
In Orange County yesterday @ a Burlington Coat Factory Outlet, A 14 year old boy attempted to abduct a 3 year old little girl. Thank God he was caught in the process!! He is only 14.! OMG! what in the world are these young people thinking? He was interrogated and then charged with attempted kidnapping.
Praying for Haleigh!!
LFJ – OMG! That is awful! I’m assuming his intentions weren’t to take the 3 YO girl for ice cream either! UGH! They better keep a VERY close eye on him because if he’s got those urges they aren’t going to go away. And since he didn’t actually GET to molest/rape the little girl, he isn’t being charged as a SO which means he will not be monitored. He’ll be free to roam once out of juvie/jail without restriction so another innocent child will pay the price. That makes me absolutely sick to think about!
OFF TOPIC:
“LIMA, Peru – Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot told police investigators that he knows the location of the body of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, the chief of Peru’s criminal police said.
“He let slip that he knew the place where this person was buried,” Gen. Cesar Guardia told The Associated Press.”
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I wonder if Aruba will file any charges against him like the US did? What will it take to get Aruba to charge this creep?
JB! you are so right! The news said they were sending him to the juvie center and he would then be later realsed to his parents. I hope they keep him on a tight leash!!
I hope the Halloways will finally find their Natalee. They need to know what happened to their beautiful daughter. I wish the worst for Joran!!!
Iketa, Cathy Jo, What link for Jeremiah Regan, et al. ? TIA.
LFJ – Good Morning Friend! I figured that kid would go into juvie and since he didn’t complete his planned abduction there is no sex offender charges against him. That means he’s got the urges but no legal way to monitor his activities upon return to his parents. That is very frightening. I wonder if LE asked him what his intentions were and whether or not he admitted to what they were? If he did, could they not have charged him with attempted rape or something as well? Somehow they needed to get the SO tag on him so he could be monitored. But unfortunately, they’ll wait until he is successful, rapes, molests and/or murders another innocent child before he’ll become a RSO. Shameful! Absolutely shameful!
Joran is trying to make a plea deal for 10 years on this last murder and he’ll go to Aruba and reveal where Natalee’s body is but he’ll only tell once in Aruba with Aruban officials. What is he up to? I say let him rot for 35 in a Peruvian jail, then extradite him to the US so he can rot for another 35 for the extortion and if he survives that let the Aruban’s have him. They haven’t proved to be interested in justice up to this point, I wouldn’t trust them now. I hope they don’t give into this plea deal! How much evidence do they need to arrest him for Pete’s sake. He’s shouting from the roof tops that he knows where her body is and that his dad helped him bury Natalee. Convict him on that confession alone and be done with it. NO PLEA DEALS! He needs to die in prison!
JB! I agree with you 100%.
“LIMA, Peru – A Peruvian judge has ordered Joran van der Sloot jailed on murder and robbery charges in the killing of a 21-year-old Lima woman.
Judge Juan Buendia issued the order before dawn Friday, instructing penal authorities to place the Dutchman in a penitentiary pending trial.
Van der Sloot remains the lone suspect in the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.”
AMEN! Thanks JB.
Where is everyone today? I’ve been up for hours, cleaned the dog house, repainted it, hung up all the hammocks, washed and refilled the water bowls and dug 17 holes already! HELLO PEOPLE? WHERE ARE YOU????? LOL 😀
Arf, arf (translates, “Good morning. I’m here.”)
Woof woof woof! (= “Good to see you, JB & lfJ!)
Good Morning Cate! Arf Arf right back at cha!
*tossing Cate a milkbone dog biscuit* 😀
They were talking on NG last night how Joran after murdering Stephanie, sat down drank his coffee and ate his danish. Joran showered and changed and then walked out of the hotel room like nothing happened. My husband was watching another station on T.V.( upn 65) in another room and they were recaping Natalee Hollaways murder and there Joran made a statement that he could even sleep that night after Natalees death. This man has no remorse!! He has no conscience at all. He is a cold- blooded murder!!!!
Some more headlines to make your head explode:
“Police: Mother flings baby to ground in meth-fueled rage
Updated: Thursday, 10 Jun 2010, 10:22 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 10 Jun 2010, 5:25 PM EDT
By Andrew Bonner & Phil Sanchez
GREENWOOD, Ind. (WISH) – Police arrested a Greenwood mother last week for slamming her 10-month-old baby girl head-first onto the pavement in an apartment parking lot. Officers said the 23-year-old mother admitted to using meth prior to the incident.”
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“A Paulsboro High School science teacher was arrested at the school this week and charged with luring and enticing a 17-year-old girl, authorities said Thursday.
Michael Furey, 46, of West Deptford, created a MySpace profile page pretending to be a 16-year-old boy, the Gloucester County’s Prosecutor’s Office said. He arranged an encounter with the girl, who was one of his students, after talking to her online for six months in a conversation that grew increasingly sexual, the Prosecutor’s Office said.”
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“JERSEY CITY, New Jersey (WABC) — A warning for parents from police who say a creep is kissing little kids at a park in New Jersey.
He’s already done it several times, to both young boys and girls at Leonard Gordon Park in Jersey City.
Now, police are trying to find him.”
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What an ugly world we live in
Morning. I was posting in the last article this morning and was wondering where everyone was also. LOL
lfj – yes, Joran sat and ate his sponge cake and drank his latte with the girls bloodied body laying at his feet. He was going to try and stuff her in a suitcase and toss her in the ocean but he was afraid the hotel would think he was leaving without paying by carrying luggage out. So he just tidied up the room a little and took her money, credit cards and keys and left.
Okie Dokie. He is an absolute psychopath!
Mornin’ Tex.
JB, milkbone dog biscuit, yum yum, especially good with coffee. Thanks 🙂 . Almost as good as tummy pat.
TM39, Morning!
Anyone, how do I search for a complaint filed with PCSO? I am interested in the complaint filed by Lindsy Croslin (now Collins?) against Cobra.
TIA!
I wish they Capital punishment in Peru! The one Lawyer said that Joran would get street Justice once they put him in the prison there.
Cate – we need someone like Tobias to help you with that one! Maybe Tex or LFJ can help you!
Where did the discussion go yesterday with respect to Ronald’s complaints about Timmy’s harassing phone calls from Mass? That is really interesting; says to me that Ronald was definitely involved in HaLeigh’s disappearance, a/the real KEY, and Timmy was tired of Ronald frightening his family into silence. Too much to read into it, for sure, but what do you all make of it?
I want to bring a post over this morning fom te last article. I am up for takeing a real close look at Ron today and put this paticular theory to the test (not bash). BRB
Cate nothing else was ever mentioned on Ronalds complaint on Timmy. I wish we had more info on that and why nothing else was mentioned over Tommys and Rons fight as well, because Tommy did file charges against Ron.
I am not sure how to bring up the docs. on these complaints. Tobias, usually post them here or JillF.
texasmommy39 said,in June 11th, 2010 at 8:35 am Good morning everyone,
I am still interested in focusing on this theory of Ron did it so we can see if it has stood the test of time (what we know now in comparison of what we knew then).
I personally would love to work through some of y’alls concerns in regards to Rons behavior.
I have mentioned in my late night post las night a few reason why I believe Ron’s guilt is questionable.
1. HaLeigh was seen by the A/C repair man after 5 pm and said repairman spoke to Ron on the phone (LE has phone records). LE has never disputed he was there or that he saw HaLeigh alive, well and playing.
2. Ron was at work until his shift ended.
3. The camera on HWY 17 only witnessed Ron on his way home after his shift ended.
I am open to any reason that should be taken into consideration that would clearly indicate Ron is guilty of harming his own child and then hidding her
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Let the friendly discussions begin.
Ok, will wait for Tobias or JillF or maybe CathyJo.
TM39, love your idea. Eagerly awaiting the post that you are bringing over!!
I could probable stubble around and find it if I had a chance today… I am trying to get 2 bushels of peaches peeled pitted and canned before 6 pm. LOL
🙂 Good morning JB!!!
Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
08/06/2009 1 ARREST REPORT – PCSO D/S QUINTIER (ARREST 8/5/09)
08/06/2009 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-3225
08/06/2009 1 BURGLARY OF CONVEYANCE WITH BATTERY
08/06/2009 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 8/6/09
08/06/2009 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
08/06/2009 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
08/06/2009 2 $12,5004.00 SECURED BOND SET
08/06/2009 3 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
08/06/2009 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
08/07/2009 5 $12504.00 A-1-24 HOUR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS #2148146
08/07/2009 5 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE CO
08/19/2009 6 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
08/19/2009 7 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
iT IS STILL AN OPEN CASE, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO IT SINCE 8/19/10.
As for the camera not seeing Ron, he knew it was there and could have been in another vehicle or knew of a way around the camera. jmo
Taking the “Ron is Guilty” Challenge…
1. “HaLeigh was seen by the A/C repair man after 5 pm…” No contest. (Yikes, 15 years?!)
2. “was at work until his shift ended”… A few things could be going on here. a) I have read that there is an interview with Nancy Grace in which Shoemaker indicates that there may be a (short?) period of time for which nobody can account for Ron’s presence at work. (This elicited a raised eyebrow from Nancy…) b) Pat Brown, on one of Levi Page’s shows, tossed out the idea that TN “covered” for Ron at work and “created” the cell phone pings. c) Another PDM Bridge employee divulged that employees/guards would cover for one another and sign in/out, say people were around when they weren’t, etc. Don’t recall where I read that, though. d) An overdose of many types of drugs, including oxy, could have a slow onset. HaLeigh could have been fine a couple of hours after Ronald left for work but didn’t become ill/die until blood levels reached max; or Ronald could have given HaLeigh some before he went to work, not told Misty, told her to give her some as well, lots of variations on this idea possible. e) Internal injuries/brain injuries caused by Ron (intentionally or accidentally) with similar time course to drugs as outlined in d.
3. “The camera on HWY 17 only witnessed Ron on his way home after his shift ended.” No comment, no contest, doesn’t matter, I’ve already been sentenced to fifteen years.
TexasMom post on the other article but I am open for discussion as to why Ron could have
done. I think he got around security and left work that night or did something before he left. I don’t trust GGM Skyes much today either
Hey tobias, morning! Did you see my question above, about wanting to pull up the docket for Lindsy’s complaint against Cobra? How about it?
None out there sorry, could have just been a verbal threat from Lindsy. jmo
Good Morning all! Last night OJ said “oy, vey” to me and it sent me back in my dreams to happy days in NYC! Thank you OJ, I actually had a good night’s sleep!
On the baby hostage front in Sacramento, there has been shooting several times this morning!
Lastly after 7am PT when they sent a robot in. The robot was able to see that he was still holding a gun but was also feeding the baby!
tobias, Thanks, yes, if true, and who can know at this point, Lindsy may just have complained to the PCSO but not filed a formal complaint. Thanks so much.
Alex, Sure would like to see the picture of the man holding the gun while feeding the baby. Defines “ironic” and/or “juxtaposition.” English teachers need copies.
Where can I read what the a/c repairman said?
Is there only one way from Ron’s job(Hwy 17) to his home?
Has a picture from the Hwy 17 camera of Ron been released? If so is it time stamped and have they also looked at other people whose pictures were taken around the same time period to see if they noticed anything?
If there is only one way to Ron’s job then if TN isn’t in any of the pictures, she couldn’t have been at his job.
Also have question regarding the degree of felonies & misdemeanors in Florida.
Name Misd/Felony Degree
Joshua Imm F S
F T
F S
M F
M F
Ron Cummings F F
F F
F F
F F
F F
Misty Cummings F F
F F
F F
F F
F F
F F
F F
F F
The above is from booking sheets but I could not find an alphabetical explanation for the degrees, can someone help me? Thanks, Alex
Alex, Who is Joshua Imm? TY.
Cate so would I, but I’m not sure if the robot takes pictures or just shows what it sees!
Was Ronald’s worksite PDM Bridge, 222 Comfort Road, Palatka, FL, 32177?
Alex, Great questions on the “Is Ron Guilty” Challenge. I’m mapping PDM Bridge, for lack of anything better to do while I wait for my work dbs to run.
And where is the camera on Hwy 17?
That is correct on Rons work site. It is right at 17 miles. I posted the exact mileage the other day. I gives a 30 minute time travel without stops.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 11th, 2010 at 10:54 am Taking the “Ron is Guilty” Challenge…
1. “HaLeigh was seen by the A/C repair man after 5 pm…” No contest. (Yikes, 15 years?!)
2. “was at work until his shift ended”… A few things could be going on here. a) I have read that there is an interview with Nancy Grace in which Shoemaker indicates that there may be a (short?) period of time for which nobody can account for Ron’s presence at work. (This elicited a raised eyebrow from Nancy…) b) Pat Brown, on one of Levi Page’s shows, tossed out the idea that TN “covered” for Ron at work and “created” the cell phone pings. c) Another PDM Bridge employee divulged that employees/guards would cover for one another and sign in/out, say people were around when they weren’t, etc. Don’t recall where I read that, though. d) An overdose of many types of drugs, including oxy, could have a slow onset. HaLeigh could have been fine a couple of hours after Ronald left for work but didn’t become ill/die until blood levels reached max; or Ronald could have given HaLeigh some before he went to work, not told Misty, told her to give her some as well, lots of variations on this idea possible. e) Internal injuries/brain injuries caused by Ron (intentionally or accidentally) with similar time course to drugs as outlined in d.
3. “The camera on HWY 17 only witnessed Ron on his way home after his shift ended.” No comment, no contest, doesn’t matter, I’ve already been sentenced to fifteen years.
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LOL ok here I go…..
a) b) and c)I am not going to excuse this nor ignore it, but, have to ask if we consider Rons drive time back and forth and then involvement and disposal it would have to account for a lot of time Ron was not accounted for.
I have a hard time believing someone would willing continue to cover for Ron if that is indeed what happened to allow Ron the oppertunity. I am sure that it would cost them their job, but, have a hard time honestly believing that someone involved in that context would not of told the truth and claimed the reward and looked for another job.
d) An overdose of many types of drugs, including oxy, could have a slow onset. HaLeigh could have been fine a couple of hours after Ronald left for work but didn’t become ill/die until blood levels reached max; or Ronald could have given HaLeigh some before he went to work, not told Misty, told her to give her some as well, lots of variations on this idea possible.
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Haleigh was dropped of and kissed good by and Ron left for work. I am conerned that it could very well have been an accidental overdose, but, I have to consider the fact that LE has not revealed to the public they found drugs in the home, but we all heard about what was found on the Griffis property. See what I mean. I am sure we would of had a leak to convict.
e) I revert back to my response of timeing of HaLeighs arrival at home and Rons immediate departure, leaves me second guessing this assmption.
“The camera on HWY 17 only witnessed Ron on his way home after his shift ended.” No comment, no contest, doesn’t matter, I’ve already been sentenced to fifteen years.
If soeone can find a alternate route we could consider might be helpfull in giving this thought some merit. My opinion is the camera and the timeline have given LE enough to determine the fact that Ron was at work.
F first degree
S second degree
T third degree
Felonies, lots of them.
This is just a guess on my part.
Joshua Imm is Sheriff Hardy’s son. OJ told me last night that he got a lighter bail then Misty or Ron. I was just wondering why & it seems like the amounts are related to the degrees of the felonies!
I meant to type it gives- oops
Thank you Jaba! That makes sense now, but I would think that Joshua’s should have been 1st degree charges as well!
You can reach PDM by the river. It is approx 5 miles from PDM to Rons by boat.
I think bond is also deteremined by risk of flight.
Then add it 8 felonies and that money gets up there.
For some reason fields didn’t want misty bailed out by padilla. Padilla had conditions that she provide proof of Haleigh and if she had, it may have gotten her charged in the disappearnce which she hasn’t been to date.
If mistys bond was reduced to 500000, it would cost somebody 50 k to get her out. Someone close to misty would be wasting their money for her to be free for 6 months then have her convicted and right back in. Imo anyway.
Where would she live, what kind of environment? She’s in a secure place and while that’s not ideal, she’s safe and she’s eating, boy is she eating!
Josh Imms is still an inmate at Putnam he has not been bailed out. Just shows no one cares if he sits there until trial. jmo
Padilla was burned by Casey, so can’t blame him for not wanting to waste money again!
TM39, I agree with you. I was laying out all of the options that I’ve heard of but I don’t see TN pinging from PDM Bridge or Ron sneaking out of work to murder his daughter or beat her and accidently deliver a fatal blow. No particular reasons that I can articulate but they just don’t fit the big picture well. The drug theory is the only one that makes sense to me, and it does make a lot of sense. The only reason I have to rule it out is why protect Misty? If he is clever enough to pull it off and dispose of the body without detection, why not just sell Misty downriver, too? Why protect her because she knows too much?
I don’t question the amount of bail in the situation for Misty, or Ron, for that matter. What puzzles me is, “Why so many charges?” If the case is simply about the drugs, which I do not believe that it is but some were trying to promote on here the other day, then why not stop at a couple or three? Seems solid enough to convict and get them off the streets for 15-45 years, no? So it has to be about HaLeigh, right? And maybe about getting Tommy and Donald and even Hope? Could Hope have been at Ronald’s house the night HaLeigh went missing, as we here the word/name “Hope” uttered in the enhanced 911 call?
Agreed, tobias. Imms may be the son, but he’s not close to them it doesn’t appear.
Imms is just another dealer caught.
Nothing about him will affect rons or mistys trials, imo.
Padilla learned to get info before he bails them out.
He’s more than been paid back in advertising by getting involved in caseys deal. Tons more folks know his name now. Plus, he or his people saw and heard a few things that they will testifying to at trial to bury casey for real in 10 or so years, imo.
Just dropped in for a break from yard work.
I was hoping that since it was Friday they may announce more tapes or something.
If someone is covering for Ron at work, it could
be because he/she either was supplied with drugs from Ron or was his supplier! That person, even if given immunity from LE, would probably lose their job. In these times a good job is hard to find and if you have a drug tag on you it might be impossible. Just my opinion!
Good morning/early afternoon everyone.
I was thinking about the following after reading TM39’s post.
I have not seen much of any information regarding the AC guy’s statements. I have searched for any articles that stated that he had actually seen Haleigh that day. If anyone could direct me to anything to do with this man’s statements or information that was given by LE pertaining to what the AC guy may have witnessed it would be greatly appreciated.
tia
Interesting…
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=131126&catid=4
” family member of Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s dad, has printed up flyers on her home computer. Elesha Izor, has walked street to street distributing the flyers and taping them to windshields.
“We are doing as much as we can. As soon as they let us, we are going to search. We’re not going to stop until we find her. I promise you that,” Izor said.”
So there were other family members in the area who were also possibly searching?
I wonder how many family members there are that we are not aware of?
Alex, oh yeah, that who Joshua Imms is. Why doesn’t he have the last name Hardy? Why do these folks have to make things so confusing… anyhow, interesting that nobody has bailed him out. I know that Hardy said that he wasn’t going to, though. Yes, tobias, nobody cares if he sits there until trial, or cares and it’s tough love, you earned this, boy.
Jaba, Misty is safe in jail (and eating 🙂 ). So you’d think she’d talk if fear was the motivation for her silence. So her motivation for not talking must be that she is involved and fears further punishment. Although she would receive further punishment for not talking when she should have if she admits that she didn’t, unless someone convinces her that telling the truth can now be used to her advantage. Far too convuluted at this point to make much of anything. I need to stop trying and just be patient, I think.
I think they were letting misty help them snare as many as she could, and it looks like it worked.
It might be possible that the family member’s name is spelled differently? Eilesha Izor or?
If you google PDM Bridge and look under emplyment, there are now job openings for Palaka. Seems some have lost their jobs recently. jmo
Just heard the real OJ iis back in court this morning!
Some experts think an accident happened before Ron went to work. I agree with the drug theory, it seems to make alot of sense. They are all covering for one another. In the last press conference it speaks of someone Misty knows or Ron knows perhaps they both know the person.
Levi page reported on JVM that Misty told Charles Jones jr. the drug people took Haleigh.Charles Jones was also on the Levi show and said he thinks the road rage happened by Ron is because he thought Misty had told him something and was trying to kill him. Charles Jones also admits to speaking with LE on numerous occasions. We now hear Misty saying about the black man that told Ron that he knew where Haleigh was., but if he told he would come back and kill Ron. Whether there is any truth to what has been stated it definitely has to be considered.
Imms doesn’t appear to be getting special treatment or we would hear about it wouldn’t we?
Certainly the conspiracy theorists of Hardy are looking at his situation because any gifts to this kid because of who he is, would bolster their case. Imo
Jaba, But would they have let Misty snare as many as she could if HaLeigh had never gone missing? I think not.
tobias, I noticed that as well, that there are a handful of openings with PDM in Palatka but not in other PDM locations. Hmmm.
Tobias, some have lost their jobs recently! Makes you go hmmmmmm. Remember the 1/07/2010 blog talk show about the time clocks being switched out at the time and perhaps a witness may have come forward on Ron.HMMMMM.
What’s he in court for? A ‘scum-bag’ check? “Ok, you are a scum-bag, back to your cell, juice.”
He should change his name to ‘karma is a bitch’ simpson.
I’ve also been trying to follow the case of the litte boy named Kyron Horman who is reported missing out of Portland, Oregon.
I wonder if someone might have followed the step Mother to the school that day or? I wonder if LE is looking into the possibility that there might have been some type of previous altercation of some sort that led up to Kyron’s disappearance?
Tobias, that’s interesting, wonder if anyone knows the names of who lost their jobs.
On the booking sheet for the sheriff’s son it lists him as Joshua Troy Imm. If you put Imms in, you don;t get anything back! He also has a charge of cruelty towards a child charge!
Is the sheriff’s wife Joshua’s mother?
lfJ, But what would the drug dealers do with Haleigh? She’s dead now, then, right?
Tuff , I too have been trying to keep up with that case. It is truely odd for a child to disappear from the school. They were having a science fair that day at the school, so alot was going on.
Jaba- Oj is appealing his conviction! Maybe he just wanted to go on a field trip to the courthouse to get a change of scenery!
Cate,
I don’t know.
I think, as with any drug sting where you have a source tipping you to crimes being commited, you go and catch them red handed and snare as many as possible that you have tips on. If you or I called and told police our next door neighbor was selling drugs out their bedroom window, we’d be on the phone to get it stopped. Heck, I may take 10 cell phone picks of the tranactions while I get LE involved. Can’t ignore crime if they get a good tip, which they did, imo, anyway.
Am I looking in the wrong place? I only see positions for a QCI, a Shop Supervisor, and a welder, at the Palatka plant. Those are the only 3 positions I see.
jaba, True, and I suppose that once you had a good sting set up (trusted undercover dealer) in place, you may as well “go for it.” All 8 or 9 took place within a couple of weeks, didn’t they?
It could have been anything from the step Mother cutting someone off in traffic. I am thinking it is someone local to that area. I do not believe that this little boy would run off from the school when he was so proud of his science project. The picture of Kyron shows him absolutely beaming.
What I do not understand is none of these individuals have the money to afford a dream team to corrupt the invesigation or help in their legal defence. Pro bono does not always mean the best(such as OJ could afford).
I don’t think Ron himself disposed of Haleigh.
I think Ron summoned his Mom. You know good and well he expected Misty to anwser that phone. Ron went home to take care of the issue
temper got out of control or something. There
was an accident. They panic and he returns to work. Misty takes care of the disposal of the body.
I have seen Misty cry on jailhouse tapes. Those
tears are a lot different than the alligator
tears she cries for Haleigh.
I worked in a secure environment most of my career. Ron knew his way around security there
you can bet your lifesaver on that.
I don’t think anything was a brutal murder it
was an accident that would have been difficult to explain
Cate, Haleigh is most likely deceased, but there is also the possibility of child sex slavery. I hate to even think of that, but these people are ruthless!! I first thought though in the beginning that Ron may have gotten Haleigh into hiding and that is why GGSykes bought over the clean laundry and the aunt Lisa being a nurse could bring meds Haleigh would need, but now it saddens me that Our Beloved Haleigh is with the Lord.
Lmao, simpson is something else. He can never admit what he is. Oh well, let’s see if Nevada can waste some money on his appeal. Like they need more wasted money flying out of the coughers.
It is the system though and he should get his day.
I would like to no if anyone has heard
that when Ron and JS. were steeling the
kids from each other, if either one would
called the cops when they discovered the
kids were gone. Just what would they do.
Regarding Kyron Horman’s case, I’m not sure where I read it but for some reason I thought I saw something about White road but I looked it up and there is only a Green road nearby. Maybe there is a person named White living on green road? I dunno. Confusing.
I am surprised that PDM doesn’t have openings.
First Coast is building a westernly beltway and a new river crossing kind just north
of the plant.
I also wonder if Misty and Ron fought before he went to work because Misty did not want to baby sit and that is when something happened to Haleigh and she later died from an injury she sustained during the altercation and that is what the 8:30 call was all about and then Mistys phone was turned off. Ron would not have to leave work at all. He got someone else to help dispose and someone to help Misty stage the mh. All by telephone. An alternate theory to the drug theory. Misty would be an accomplis and they needed to keep Misty calm so she did not tell all at first. Now she is just tryingto protect herself from being involved in the cover- up. I am sure she has been told she will go down with them.
Why lie the shop supervisor caught my interest, wonder if the supervisor was the one on the shift Ron worked? Or are they just adding more supervisors to keep up with employees who were at one time working unsupervised? Its a thought. jmo
JMO to my above post.
Ron says he calls and calls and can’t get misty even on the drive home yet misty says she tried calling him to no answer. Is that correct?
If so, why would one lie in the very minutes of discovery she was missing?
The 911 call is just too hinky for me.
COOP, So you are saying that the PDM openings are simply due to a project expansion/a new project? That would make sense.
Jaba, I agree about the 911, wouldnt Rons very first thought have been Crystal since they have always fought over the kids? Yet he goes off in a completely different direction. jmo
agree! Jaba
Cricket- out here, LE are routinely called out to homes where there is joint custody! If one of the parents knows that the child is with a family member, friend or babysitter, they go over, the police are called. The child is given to the parent present. Then the other parent does the same thing to get the child back.
Sometimes joint custody without specific timetables are a drain on police resources!
If Haleigh took drugs she would probably have chewed. There then goes the time release and
instant overdose.
Ron hurt her while he was angry with Misty
internal injury. Due to accidental trauma.
Rage is not accidental imvho.
lfJ, Yes, I think that is a distinct possibility, HaLeigh’s death was an accident of any sort, really. Even if it was legitimate, they had a lot to protect and motivation to avoid an investigation— drugs to be found and custody of Jr. And right, he doesn’t need to leave work at all, especially if Tommy and even Timmy were summoned to help dispose of HaLiegh’s body.
I really could not say if PDM are a permanent employer to the area or not. I thought there was a plant down there that did some kind of pre cast type thing. We did get a lot of recovery money to build highways that were already on the board. This one has been in the works since 2005 taking a while porperty acquistions etc. the northly part of the project has been underway. It starts in Northwest of Jax.
COOP, If the ingestion of the drugs was accidental, she probably would have chewed. But maybe Ron intentionally overdosed her.
Tuff you are right about rage. I can see Ron
having a fit. I never knew what a jerk he was.
I kind of had refused to watch any news on him
good, bad, or indifferent. I broke down yesterday and I just can’t imagine that he wasn’t involved.
Or Misty put it in the food, by AS timeline she was there at 7;30 and the kids were eating, so in between 7;30 and 8;30 (last time Ron talked with Misty) Haleigh could have died.
Misty does say from then on she was cleaning and went to bed at 10. I still think Junior was also drugged because even on the enhanced 911 you dont hear him at all. jmo
Tuff Stuff- was the school that Kyron goes to having an open house during school hours? I was always glad I had boys because I thought only girls were taken! Then there was Adam Walsh, Steven Stayner, Shawn Hornbeck… So, so sad!
Alex,
Thanks, the fact they stole the kids from
each other was probably what Ron thought
at first, even tho he had legal custody. I
think Ron and JS had a big ego thing going
on. So when Ron got legal custody it really
irked JS.
Someone said earlier here that Ron could have
hid Haleigh because he new the Drug guys
were gonna get back at Him for ripping them
off. That’s only thing I have read that makes
since to me, about how Ron was involved.
If she overdosed. Ron knew too. He told Misty
clean up the grown light and dope. Bury her in
our special spot and we will call the law when I get home.
Ron Cummings did not grieve for his daughter
now he played a part in her death or he sold his baby. I have such a negative feeling about Ron this week I can’t even be objective. I sure
don’t mean to offend anyone nut I had me another dose of that crazy bunch.
I seriously want for life sentences or worse for those who would harm, kidnap, rape or murder a Child. I understand that in certain situations plea bargaining might have to take place, such as the case in Southern California recently, but other than that NO DEAL!
jmvho
Did anyone know that Jessica Lundsford’s Father had also gone to Satsuma to try to help?
I just read that in an article and just about bust out in tears.
Very sad.
Cricket- if Ron feared the drug guys, wouldn’t he have hid both children?
Then why would Ron be so crazy if his first thoughts would have been Crystals side of the family stealing her? He knew some how it was someone else. jmo
Alexandria yes it appears so. The school had a science fair.
tobias you could be right. If Misty sprinkled oxy on that baby’s food so she could go out
she would have been dead when she got home.
Misty had lived in that trailer park awhile
before she moved in with Ron she knows her way around. I think Misty and Ron know. Not for sure who done the dirty work yet…. those two
are right up to their eyeballs in this.
Tobias check your pm on the forum.
Coop, I agree with you.
Where are ya’ll getting “Aunt Lisa” was a nurse?
Whomever took Kyron had to have known that it was safe to enter the school property without calling much attention to themself.
If ron left work in a “plan” to do something without mistys knowledge or with it, he is taking the chance of a lifetime that someone would not notice he was gone.
If he did, and someone noticed it, LE would be all over him like bbq sauce on ribs, covered!!!
To be not accounted for and have that noticed would be a huge gamble, imo.
Him eating at the cafeteria when he normally doesn’t, on the night in question, would lead me to belive more that he knew something was going on at the mh and he was establishing an alibi.
But, when I think of anyone knowing something happened to her before he went to work, she dies, he gets a call about it, and feels the shock of a childs death and can make it another 5 hours without signs of it, and gets beer and cigs on the way home, is one hell of an actor. I don’t think ron knew of it until he got home.
I think ron had been there 3 months so people knew him and his rep, hence, pdm doesn’t want folks to know they hired such a criminal so they are staying out of the picture. Imo
Tuff Stuff- totally agree. SO seen to know a lot about what is going around or at least keep themselves up to date on children’s activities!
LFJ, Got it, I also heard this early on thats why I brought it up. TY jmo
There were some folks in Palatka that had made the statement that the aunt was a nurse and then I saw a post that also claimed she was a nurse.
I would want to know also if there were any persons who lived nearby that school who had issue with the school, school bus traffic etc…
Whomever had taken Kyron had contempt for this school also to so brazenly go on to the property with intent to steal a Child imvho.
Y/W Tobias.
Me Too Tuff. I hope to God they find that little boy!!
Jaba I agree with you that Ron knew something was going on and he needed to be seen in order to establish an alibi!
Alex
I thought the same thing with my boys.
after I was divorced I got somewhat leanet
with them, because of guilt I felt because
thier Dad was gone. My oldest son always went
to the pier to go fishing on his own, he
would stay all day sometimes. It bothered
me but he loved to fish. One day he came
home and had a couple guys followed him
home so they ask for my permission to take
him to anther beach close by, It was in
the 70’s . I gave them permission. they hadn’t
been gone an hour and I started to pace the floor’s thay were suposed to back by midnite.
they weren’t my god I thought I was gonna jump
out my skin. When they did get back they came
to the door and aplogized for being late.
I was so thankful to see him. When I closed the door I screamed ay my son don’t you ever come to me again and ask to go with anyone.
he looked at me like I was crazy. He said good
Lord mom we weren’t that late, I said I’ve been like this since I gave you permission.
He didn’t understand this at all, any way he had great nite caught alot of big fish. but never went anywhere else but there pier that was close to the house.
Scared the Sheet out of me. no cell phones back then.
What made me go HMMMM on the 911 was Ron had all these problems with the other side of the family wouldnt Rons immediate thoughts be that they took her? But he has different reactions, someone took her and he is gonna kill him or them. To me that sounds like he is thinking Sex Offender or was trying to make it look like it was a SO. jmo
Lfj,
How cold do you have to be to know that and continue to work for 5 hours without at least throwing up. Can you imagine your nerves?
looking for Justice said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
There were some folks in Palatka that had made the statement that the aunt was a nurse and then I saw a post that also claimed she was a nurse.
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Ok, so ya’ll are talking about Elisa Squires??
Vaquera,
Do you know how Eilesha Izor is related to Ron?
Hey everyone, long time no type…just need to find a way to listen to that very pesky tommy tape. I still can’t get it to play, any help would certainly cure my withdrawls! LOL
It was said that crystal didn’t get to the scene for 8 hours.
Did Le go over there to see if she had been taken by them?
If ron thought that he would have told police to go check there at least, imo.
I couldn’t if it were me. Ron would lose Jr. and be up for charges in his daughters death. Noone wants to go to jail for hurting their child. It took me awhile to even believe Ron could be involved,but I remained suspicious.
Alex
you would think that , thats the only thing that doesn’t fit .And it’s big thing that doesn’t fit.
I used Zune.
Ron’s Aunt Elisa is not a nurse. There is another Elisa Squires that is 40, Ron’s aunt is 50 that is a nurse in another town..
ELISAMSQUIRES
LICENSE NUMBER: RN2958082 Printer Friendly Version
Profession
REGISTERED NURSE
License/Activity Status
CLEAR/ACTIVEClick here for more information
License Expiration Date License Original Issue Date
7/31/2012 07/13/1995
Discipline on File Public ComplaintClick here for more information
NO NO
Address of Record
10367 NW 42 DRIVE
CORAL SPRINGS,FL33065
UNITED STATES
Crystal lived in Baker County 1 1/2 hours away.
Tuff Stuff said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Vaquera,
Do you know how Eilesha Izor is related to Ron?
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Never heard of the name, but I will look around.
HEY!! Methinks lomg time no see! How great it is too see you.
Cricket- You just never know! What scares me now is that there are so many areas where cell phones don’t work. Here in Sacramento County it’s hard if not impossible to find a pay phone anymore. They use to have them outside stores or gas stations, but not anymore. The ones here in Galt were used alot by drug dealers. I think it was a disservice to take them out because at least LE knew where they were. Now if the stores are closed and your cell doesn’t work, you’re stuck!
Vaquera,
She is mentioned in the First Coast News article titled “Small Community Crushed by Child’s Disappearance”.
I’m still in the process of moving, so I’ve been using my sons laptop to stay tuned into haleigh and you all, always read, but can’t always post…I sooo need to hear that pesky tommy tape, someone please help! I’m going absolutely nuts!!!!
LFJ< back atcha! help?
Did you go to Sky news to listen? TJ has the tapes also.
I miss you guys! all of you! I can’t wait to get settled so I can chat more often. I’m at the library in hopes of finding a way to listen to that tape…..
Methinks I was wondering what may have happened to you. I asked about m2c, and other posters said she was fine, but We had not heard from you. Glad to know all is well.
Methinks
try and go to TJ’s site thats what I had to do.
Lfj, how do I find them when I get to sky news? can you link me?
Let me check, I saved the link I believe. I know a few articles back Simon had the link to Tjs’ site on there. BRB
http://www.theskynews973.com
Tuff Stuff said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Vaquera,
Do you know how Eilesha Izor is related to Ron?
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Only Izors I found in Putnam was Holly and a Donald who was born in the 30s I don’t see the connection to the Cummings
HARRIS, HOLLY H (Age 53)
Associated names:
HARRIS, HOLLY C
IZOR, HOLLY H
LEWIS, HOLLY C
LEWIS, HOLLY H
Available(6) Available PALATKA, FL
INTERLACHEN, FL
EAST PALATKA, FL Possible Relatives:
HOERMANN, KELLY H (Age 42)
IZOR, ROBERT D (Age 49)
HARRIS, SHELTON R (Age 79)
WALDEN, ANGELA D (Age 44)
HARRIS, GARDNER R (Age 78)
LEWIS, KARIE L (Age 35)
HARRIS, MICHAEL
LEWIS, KARIE L (Age 35)
IZOR, BOB
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Here are the other Izors there, don’t see a connection either.
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=&mn=&ln=izor+&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=palatka&state=FL&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=63&y=15
methinks said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
I miss you guys! all of you! I can’t wait to get settled so I can chat more often. I’m at the library in hopes of finding a way to listen to that tape…..
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*waves* sure have miss ya 🙂
I don’t have the article number; just the link. Sorry.
I have errands to do, will check back later.
looking for Justice said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I don’t have the article number; just the link. Sorry.
I have errands to do, will check back later.
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I can’t find a Elesha Izor anywhere in the US using veroni and pipl..weird
sorry, my last post was to Tuff Stuff, not looking for justice 😀
If you look in the civil dockets Nay Nay has been sued for child support and for auto neg. but hasnt been found since 3-30 to be served. Wonder where NayNay has gone? hmmmm. jmo
tobias, Wow about NayNay, “auto neg.” ?
she was around the Croslins when that fight broke between jr/sr.I had heard she was living there.
auto neg = automobile neglect = abandoned car ?
She owes 2812.00 to an insurance co. probably for an auto accident, it was filed on June 7 2010.
Just checking dockets to see if any new stuff is happeneing. Seem Donnie Spells is after her for Child support and the insurance company too. jmo
You can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip!
I wonder if that is the wreck she got in the end of Jan. when she had Misty in the car with her. Think it was 1.27.09
UCN: 542009CT000467XXAXMX
File Date: 02/03/2009
Judge: PETER T MILLER
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty: ULICH, KENNETH H
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: PREVATT, KRISTINA
Alias: PREVATT, KRISTINA RENEE
Date # Docket Description
02/03/2009 1 TRAFFIC CITATION – #6669FDG2 PDP/ REINHOLD 1-27-09
02/03/2009 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
02/03/2009 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT WITH PROP DAMAGE
02/06/2009 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (04-07-2009)
04/07/2009 3 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT KEN ULICH
04/07/2009 3 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY – PRE TRIAL SET 04/29/2009
04/07/2009 4 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
04/07/2009 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
04/07/2009 6 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (04-29-2009)
04/29/2009 7 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY KEN ULICH
04/29/2009 7 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
04/29/2009 7 CONTINUED TO 05/15/2009 @ 9:00 IN JAIL
05/07/2009 8 DEFT BONDED OUT OF JAIL ON CHARGES SHE WAS IN JAIL FOR
05/07/2009 8 CASE RESET TO 6-3-09
05/11/2009 9 CASE SET FOR 06/03/2009
05/11/2009 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06-03-2009)
06/03/2009 11 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
06/03/2009 11 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
06/03/2009 11 PD FEE SUSPENDED
06/03/2009 11 INFRACTION DISMISSED – CIT# 6667FDGX CARELESS DRIVING
06/03/2009 11 PAID INFRACTION – CIT# 6668FDG1 NO PROOF OF INSURANCE
I wondered where yall were,hiding eh?
Hmmm Tobias,didn’t know that?
Ya know when you look at the letter she wrote from Jail,it sounds more to me like she’s trying to “establish an alibi”!
nay nay ain’t too shabby..
jus sayin
Food is suppose to be fuel for your body. So, why is it that every time I eat lunch I’m soooooo sleepy. Ugh. Wakey wakey!!
Nay nay is missing missing, or in hiding?
OJ is really Adam Sandler? If you think Nay Nay is hot I’ve got a tree in the yard that is kinda shapely. LOL 🙂
Nay Nay Prevatt’s Jail Letter Verified, Claims Haleigh OD’d Not Verified
There was a flurry of activity in Putnam County overnight. It started with the appearance of mysterious letter from a Putnam County Jail inmate that could shed light as to why a pond was drained over the weekend in the search for a missing Satsuma girl. The other was the drug charge arrest of a man whose name has been mentioned a few times in relation to the stepmother of 6-year-old missing Haleigh Cummings, Greg “White Boy Greg” Page
Haleigh Cummings has been missing since February and was under the supervision of her babysitter–now stepmom Misty Croslin-Cummings the night she vanished.
A strange letter written by Kristina Rene “Nay Nay” Prevatt from the Putnam County Jail to her to boyfriend pertaining to Haleigh Cummings’ disapperance was made public by private investigator William Cobra Staubs. Prevatt is a partying acquaintance of Misty Croslin-Cummings.
The source of this letter is Prevatt’s boyfriend, Donnie Spells. Spells showed the letter to the mother of Greg “White Boy” Page yesterday and then read the letter to Staubs over the phone from the woman’s house. Staubs asked Spells to fax the letter to him, but he refused. He later left the letter with Page’s mother to do with as she wanted. Page’s mother scanned the letter and sent it to Staubs and Staubs then sent it to 97.3 The Sky.
97.3 the Sky sent this letter to investigators for their reactions. Putnam County Major Gary Bowling Wednesday told The Sky, ” We don’t think the letter is worth reacting to.”
The information in this letter might have led to the draining of the L pond at the Mondex over the weekend.
A portion of this letter date 9/18/09 refers to a signed sworn affidavit by “JoePsycho” who said Misty, Haleigh and Jr were with Nay Nay Prevatt at a party the night Haleigh disappeared. Prevatt’s letter to Spells says according to the affidavit, Haleigh ate some oxycontin and died. Prevatt relays to Spells in the message the again, according to the affidavit, Greg Page put the child in a black bag and dumped it in a pond at the Mondex.
97.3 The SKY spoke with Haleigh Cummings’ paternal grandmother Teresa Neves about this letter. Neves says she is aware of the man identified as “Joe Psycho” in the letter. Neves sighed and told WSKY that this man named “Joe” has had some credibility issues.
Greg Page is the man Misty Croslin-Cummings had allegedly shared a sex and drug binge with days before Haleigh Cummings disappeared.
Greg Page was taken into custody last night just after 11 p.m. on possession of marijuana and cocaine and released a short time later.
Page’s mother told The Sky that when he son was taken into custody, he was put on the telephone with an FDLE officer who she said asked him what he knew about Haleigh Cummings. Page said, “Nothing.”
[snipped]
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5281690.php
The opinions expressed are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily reflect the views of Crimeseekers.
Nay Nay’s Letter to Joe “Psycho”
http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/Picture%20letter.jpg
The man whose name was difficult to read in the letter Kristina Rene “Nay Nay” Prevatt sent to her boyfriend from jail regarding questioning she received a few days ago about the disappearance of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cumming of Satsuma, FL., has been identified as Joseph Franklin Pytko.
An earlier attempt to decipher his name had it as a street name “Joe Psycho.”
It has been confirmed by sources close to the investigation that Pytko is the man who signed a sworn affidavit stating that Prevatt, a party gal pal of the missing child’s stepmom Misty Croslin-Cummings, was at a party with Misty, Greg Page (a man that Misty just had a weekend of sex and drugs with before the child vanished) and the children Haleigh and Junior the night Haleigh disappeared.
In his sworn statement–according to Prevatt’s jail letter, Pytko said:
“Haleigh ingested oxycontin pills and died. Everybody freaked out and White Boy Greg (Greg Page) put Haleigh in a black bag and dumped her in a pond at the Mondex.”
Last weekend, the L pond at Mondex was drained with no trace of Haleigh.
Pytko has a bit of a past with police and reportedly has had some issues:
“Police were caught in a two-hour standoff with a man threatening suicide early in the morning of June 24, 2008, forcing the closing of St. Johns Avenue until officers forcibly brought the man out.
According to reports from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, dispatch received a call from a concerned neighbor stating that Joseph Franklin Pytko, 32, was threatening to commit suicide by shooting himself.
Deputies arrived to the 3300 block of St. Johns Avenue and set up a perimeter around the man’s home.”
JOSEPH FRANKLIN PYTKO
Palatka , FL
Booking Date & Time: 6/18/2009 7:35:22 PM – Booking#: 09-02513
Release Date & Time: 7/30/2009 1:05:00 PM
DOB: 2/14/1976 – RACE: W – SEX: M
FRAUD-SWINDLE OBTAIN PROPERTY UNDER 20K DOLS
COCAINE-POSSESS POSSESS COCAINE
NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE
The two most recent booking on Joseph Franklin Pytko:
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=754760&IMG=44656
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=750980&IMG=4465
OJ,I knowwwww you don’t think NayNays hot,plz say thats not true!!!!!!!!!! rofl
OJ,How much do you drink per day?? 4 maybe 5 cases??
tobias said,in June 11th, 2010 at 12:58 pm What made me go HMMMM on the 911 was Ron had all these problems with the other side of the family wouldnt Rons immediate thoughts be that they took her? But he has different reactions, someone took her and he is gonna kill him or them. To me that sounds like he is thinking Sex Offender or was trying to make it look like it was a SO. jmo
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As do I!!!!!
Iketa,from the Goodwill Emporium right?
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am Iketa, Cathy Jo, What link for Jeremiah Regan, et al. ? TIA.
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I am sorry Cte,I am still catching up but i just posted the article???????? Was it the one you were asking about??
VAQuera,I looked all i have seen so far is this,don’t know if it helps though!
CUMMINGS
I am looking for information on the CUMMINGS family of middle Tennessee. Specifically, I am looking to communicate with anyone researching the descendents of William CUMMINGS (b.1819-1828 in NC) and Lena Anderson (b. 1841-1845 in TN). William and Lena had the following children: Mary (b. 1858), Carroll (b. 1862), Martha (b. 1864), Rachel (b. 1866), Ulysses (b. 1867 in Dekalb County), Alex (b. 1871 in Buffalo Valley, TN), Fuston (b. 1872), Henry C. (b. 1875), Francis (b. 1879), John, Clabe, and Catherine.
Simone Cummings — 116B Purefoy Road, Chapel Hill, NC 27514
cummings@med.unc.edu
Submitted on Mon Oct 12 14:04:01 EDT 1998
CJ, yup, yup, at the Goodwill. After lots of backtracking/hunting, (huff, puff, puff) I found your posting and reference. (6/9 at 617pm) It was totally off the wall, maybe even farfetched, but sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.
It was fascinating to me.
Johnny Sheffield (Crystal’s Dad)
Crystal’s Dad Johnny Sheffield
UCN: 542004CF001425XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-08-03 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Defense Atty: STEPHENSON, JOHN W
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2004-08-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO
2004-08-03 1 KNOWINGLY OWN, MANAGE OPERATE FACILITY TO FIGHT ANIMALS
2004-08-03 1 CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
2004-08-03 1 ATTENDING THE FIGHTING OR BATING OF ANIMALS
2004-08-03 1 ATTENDING THE FIGHTING OR BATING OF ANIMALS
2004-08-31 2 INFORMATION (CT 1-ANIMAL FIGHTING)
2004-09-14 3 CAPIAS ISSUED – BOND SET AT $1004.00
2004-10-14 4 ARREST REPORT – CT 1-ANIMAL FIGHTING –
2004-10-14 4 BOND SET AT $1004.00
2004-10-14 5 $1004.00 A-1 BAIL BONDS II – #2004-AA-77111
2004-10-14 6 DEFENDANT’S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS
2004-10-14 7 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (11-10-2004)
2004-10-18 8 CAPIAS RETURNED EXECUTED
2004-11-10 9 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT (BILL BOOKHAMMER)
2004-11-10 9 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY – PRE TRIAL SET 12/14/2004
2004-11-10 10 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS
2004-11-10 11 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2004-11-10 12 ORDER FOR PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE
2004-11-16 13 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12-14-2004)
2004-12-14 14 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON
2004-12-14 14 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2004-12-14 14 CONTINUED TO 01/18/2005 AT 1:30 PM
2004-12-17 15 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-18-2005)
2005-01-18 16 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON
2005-01-18 16 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2005-01-18 16 SET FOR PLEA DAY 01/20/2005
2005-01-20 17 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON
2005-01-20 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO TO THE LESSER CRUELTY TO
2005-01-20 17 ANIMALS
2005-01-20 17 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 1 YR PCJ &/OR $1000 FINE
2005-01-20 17 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING – DEFENDANT
2005-01-20 17 ADJUDGED GUILTY, ORDERED TO PAY $241.50 COURT COST, $250
2005-01-20 17 COST OF PROSECUTION AND $40 PUBLIC DEFENDER APP FEE,
2005-01-20 17 COSTS ENTERED AS A CIVIL LIEN, SENTENCED TO 1 DAY PCJ
2005-01-20 17 WITH 1 DAY CREDIT
2005-02-03 18 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE – ENT MIN CIR CT BK PG
2005-02-04 19 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE AS TO JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE
2005-02-22 20 CHARGES, COSTS, AND FEES ASSOCIATED WITH SENTENCE
2005-02-22 20 RECORDED OR BK 1017 PG 753
2005-09-23 21 NOTICE OF HEARING RETURNED UNEXECUTED
2005-09-23 21 DEFT NOT IN JAIL
2005-09-23 22 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA ISSUED:
2005-09-23 22 EVIDENCE CUSTODIAN
2005-09-26 23 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2005-09-26 23 EVIDENCE CUSTODIAN
2005-09-29 24 MOTION FOR RETURN OF PROPERTY
2005-09-30 25 MOTION HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRES – COURT HEARD
2005-09-30 25 DEFENSE MOTION FOR RETURN OF PROPERTY – GRANTED –
2005-09-30 25 SONY CAMCORDER SERIAL #1528521 RET’D TO DEFT
UCN: 542005MM002130XXAXMX
File Date: 2005-05-09 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2005-05-09 1 COMPLAINT SOPC DWAINE ELSON WEIKER 5/04/2005
2005-05-09 1 BATTERY
2005-05-09 1 ASSAULT
2006-03-08 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION
UCN: 542005MM002130XXAXMX
File Date: 2005-05-09 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2005-05-09 1 COMPLAINT SOPC DWAINE ELSON WEIKER 5/04/2005
2005-05-09 1 BATTERY
2005-05-09 1 ASSAULT
2006-03-08 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION
UCN: 542006CO000024XXAXCX
File Date: 2006-02-14 Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2006-02-14 1 LOCAL ORDIN CITA #06-395 1/6/06 PCSO/TIMPS
2006-02-14 1 PUBL NUISANCE ANIMAL/STRAY
2006-02-14 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 2/6/06
2006-02-15 2 WRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY TO LOCAL ORDINANCE
2006-02-15 2 HEARING SET 04/11/06 11:15AM 400 EAM
2006-03-08 3 NOTICE OF ORDINANCE HEARING ISSUED TO:
2006-03-08 3 DEF JOHNNY SHEFFIELD,COMP MARJORIE DUSO,D/S JON TIMPS
2006-04-11 4 COMP. DECEASED PER OFFICER – DISMISSED EAM
UCN: 542006CF001187XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-06-05 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2006-06-05 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO D/S K TRABER (5/22/06)
2006-06-05 1 AGGRAVATED BATTERY RENE RAMSEY
2006-07-03 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION
UCN: 541994MM000149XXAXMX
File Date: 1994-01-12 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: LUKASHOW, TOM
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1994-01-12 1 CITATION NO: 22942 ROBERT RAULERSON
1994-01-12 1 ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER AT NIGHT
1994-01-12 1 CASE SET 2-8-94
1994-02-08 2 ARR MINUTES: DEFT PRES IN COURT, ADJ INS P D APPT
1994-02-08 2 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY
1994-02-08 2 PRE-TRIAL SET 3-2-94
1994-02-08 3 APPLICATION AND ORDER FOR APPOINTMENT OF PUBLIC DEFENDER
1994-02-08 4 PRE-TRIAL ORDER 3-2-94
1994-02-08 5 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
1994-02-21 6 LETTER FROM FDLE CONCERNING DISPOSITION
1994-03-02 7 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL (03/21/94)
1994-03-02 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (3-21-94)
1994-03-11 9 ANSWER TO NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
1994-03-11 9 DEMAND FOR NOTICE OF INTENTION TO CLAIM ALIBI
1994-03-11 9 WITNESS LIST
1994-03-21 10 CONTINUED TO NEXT TRIAL DATE 4-18-94
1994-03-21 11 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (4-18-94)
1994-03-28 12 LETTER FROM FDLE CONCERNING STATUS OF CASE
1994-04-05 13 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO: OFF R W RAULERSON; LT ROBERT LEE
1994-04-18 14 CONTINUED TO NEXT TRIAL DATE 5/16/94
1994-04-18 14 CASE TO BE TRIED ON TUESDAY OF TRIAL WEEK
1994-04-18 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (5/16/94)
1994-04-18 16 SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED – OFF R W RAULERSON; LT BOB LEE
1994-04-20 17 LETTER FROM FDLE CONCERNING STATUS OF CASE
1994-05-03 18 DEMAND FOR SPEEDY TRIAL
1994-05-05 19 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO: OFF R W RAULERSON; OFF LT ROBERT LEE
1994-05-11 20 MOTION TO SUPPRESS
1994-05-16 21 DEFT PRES IN COURT ATT BY TOM LUKASHOW, ASST P D FOR JURY
1994-05-16 21 TRIAL – CASE CONSOLIDATED WITH 94-0145MM06 FOR TRIAL
1994-05-16 21 JURY SELECTED AND EXCUSED UNTIL 5-18-94 AT 9 AM
1994-05-16 22 JURY SEATING CHART
1994-05-18 23 JURY TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES ATT BY TOM LUKASHOW, ASST P D
1994-05-18 23 JURY SWORN – WITNESSES SWORN AND TESTIFIED
1994-05-18 23 DEFT FOUND NOT GUILTY BY JURY – CASE DISMISSED
1994-05-18 24 VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY OF THE OFFENSE OF ATTEMPTING TO TAKE
1994-05-18 24 DEER AT NIGHT
1994-05-18 25 EVIDENCE – GUN AND LIGHT
1994-06-17 26 PETITION FOR CONFISCATION
1994-06-17 27 ORDER FORFEITING AND DISPOSING OF SEIZED GAME
1994-06-17 28 RECEIPT FROM ROBERT RAULERSON FOR:
1994-06-17 28 ONE (1) 12 VOLT SPOTLIGHT (BLACK)
1994-06-17 28 ONE (1) MODEL 783 MARLIN 22 MAGNUM, WITH SCOPE, SN #19778857
1994-06-17 28 ONE (1) 22 MAGNUM RFM SHELL
UCN: 541995CF001500XXAXMX
File Date: 1995-08-23 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1995-08-23 1 COMPLAINT – AGGRAVATED ASSAULT W/DEADLY WEAPON
1995-08-23 1 MICHAEL N PLACONA
UCN: 541995CF001501XXAXMX
File Date: 1995-08-23 Judge: WILLIAM A PARSONS
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1995-08-23 1 COMPLAINT – AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH DEADLY WEAPON
1995-08-23 1 BY DAVID BOUDREAN
1996-03-04 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION
UCN: 541997MM000607XXAXMX
File Date: 1997-02-09 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: PEARL, HOWARD B
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1997-02-09 1 CITATION NO: 186324-S 4 JOHN MERCHANT
1997-02-09 1 D L SUSPENDED
1997-02-09 1 CASE SET 3/04/97
1997-03-04 2 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES:
1997-03-04 2 DEFT PRES IN COURT, ADJ INS P D APPT HOWARD PEARL ASST P D
1997-03-04 2 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY – PRE-TRIAL SET 4-2-97
1997-03-04 2 P D APPLICATION FEE WAIVED BY COURT
1997-03-04 3 AFFIDAVIT
1997-03-04 3 ORDER OF INDIGENCY AND ORDER AS TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDER
1997-03-04 3 $40.00 APPLICAITON FEE WAVIED BY COURT
1997-03-04 4 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (4-2-97) ADA
1997-03-04 5 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
1997-04-02 6 PRE-TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE
1997-04-02 6 CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
UCN: 541997MM000608XXAXMX
File Date: 1997-02-09 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: PEARL, HOWARD B
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1997-02-09 1 CITATION NO: 186323-S 1 JOHN MERCHANT
1997-02-09 1 ATTACH TAG NOT ASSIGNED
1997-02-09 1 CASE SET 3/04/97
1997-02-18 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (3/04/97) ADA
1997-02-24 3 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED – ATTEMPTED NOT KNOWN
1997-03-04 4 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES:
1997-03-04 4 DEFT PRES IN COURT, ADJ INS P D APPT HOWARD PEARL ASST P D
Nancy Sheffield Crystal’s mom
UCN: 541997CF001301XXAXMX
File Date: 1997-07-28 Judge: WILLIAM A PARSONS
Defense Atty: CLARK, RONALD E
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1997-07-28 1 ARREST REPORT – POSSESSION OF CANNABIS, POSSESSION WITN
1997-07-28 1 INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING,
1997-07-28 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
1997-07-28 1 BOND SET AT $3,016.
1997-07-28 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
1997-07-28 3 APPEARANCE BOND – (UNSECURED)
1997-07-28 4 DEFENDANT’S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS
1997-08-11 5 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY RONALD E. CLARK & PLEA
1997-08-11 6 DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY
1997-09-29 7 INFORMATION (UNLAWFUL POSS. W/INTENT TO SELL OR
1997-09-29 7 DELIVER A CONT. SUBSTANCE, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING)
1997-10-01 8 ORDER SETTING PRE-TRIAL 11/25/97
1997-10-01 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 11/25/97
1997-10-01 10 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 11/25/97
1997-10-06 11 STATE’S NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK JUDGEMENT FOR COSTS OF
1997-10-06 11 INVESTIGATON AND PROSECUTION
1997-10-06 12 ANSWER TO NOTICE OF DISCOVERY, DEMAND FOR NOTICE OF
1997-10-06 12 INTENTION TO CLAIM ALIBI WITNESS LIST
1997-11-25 13 PRE-TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATTENDED BY COUNSEL,
1997-11-25 13 RONALD CLARK. CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 12/11/97
1997-11-25 14 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFT. 12/11/97
1997-11-25 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 12/11/97
1997-11-25 16 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 12/11/97
1997-12-11 17 PLEA MIN: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY, RONNIE CLARK.
1997-12-11 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD GUILTY A/C CT I AND II UNLAWFUL POSS
1997-12-11 17 W/INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER A CONT. SUB, MAINTAINING A
1997-12-11 17 DRUG DWELLING, ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5YRS AND OR $5000 FINE
1997-12-11 17 1YR AND OR $1000 FINE, PL ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, CASE
1997-12-11 17 SET FOR SENTENCING 1/27/98 STATE RECOMM. GUIDELINE SENTENCE
1997-12-11 17 IF NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS AND RECMM W/HOLD ADJ. STATE NOT
1997-12-11 17 TO FILE ADDITIONAL CHARGES.
1997-12-15 18 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT 01/27/98
1997-12-15 19 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY 01/27/98
1998-01-27 20 SCORESHEET FILED
1998-01-27 21 SENTENCING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY RONALD CLARK.
1998-01-27 21 COURT WITHHELD ADJ. OF GUILT, ORDERED TO PAY $255 COURT COST
1998-01-27 21 AS TO CT. I SENTENCED TO 3YRS PROBATION, AS TO CT. II 1YRS
1998-01-27 21 PROBATION, RUN CONCURRENT WITH CT. I. TO PAY $25 COST OF
1998-01-27 21 SUPERVISION, TO COMPLETE OUT-IN PATIENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE
1998-01-27 21 COUNSELING AND TREATMENT IF NECESSARY AND PAY FOR ANY FEES
1998-01-27 21 OCCURED. TO PERFORM 50HRS. COMMUNITY SERVICE.
1998-01-27 22 ORDER WITHHOLDING ADJUDICATION OF GUILT AND PLACING
1998-01-27 22 DEFENDANT ON PROBATION – ENT MIN CIR CT BK276 PG662-665
1999-08-02 23 $22.69 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-06 24 $62.50 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-17 25 $37.19 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
1999-08-23 26 $52.62 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE
2000-03-13 27 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION
2000-03-13 27 ENT MIN CIR CT – BK. 319 PG. 73-74
2003-03-28 28 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/REQUEST FOR COPIES/NO MONIES SENT
2003-04-09 29 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/$7.00/REQUEST FOR COPIES OF J & S
2003-04-09 29 MAILED 04-15-2003
Iketa,exactly right,I take everbodys words into account,its not like we can believe the ones responsiblle,whoever it may be!
On the actual doc Iketa,she identifies the people she saw in pix?
Cathy dont forget AS had alot of restraining orders and domestic violence on her from Katrina and others. Mean old woman. Also look in the civil records, AS and Kirby were sueing Walmart.jmo
Ronald Cummings arrest records with links
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http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Putnam County
1/2/00 Driving without a license
10/24/01 Assault
12/12/02 Drugs
12/20/02 Hunting violation
11/16/04 Drugs
11/14/06 Leaving scene of accident
8/1/06 Trespassing
12/19/06 Leaving scene of accident
4/3/07 Affray/violence
11/14/07 Hunting violation
9/22/05 Order of protection
http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/cr…rowse.asp?pg=1
Sarasota County
9/29/05 Drug possession
11/18/99 Traffic violation
http://www.flaglerclerk.com/pa/?Acce…6+Start+Search
Flagler County
7/8/02 Traffic violation
https://www.myfloridacounty.com/serv…unty/ORI/Order
Baker County
3/23/06 Violation Order of Protection
Tobias,Right and even custodial interference????? AS?
OH Really,wally world?? omg
imvooo Tobias,AS is a snake in the grass,remember the clip of her in front of the tent,You’d think she’d be nice to the ones putting Haleighs face out there,I don’t trust her or TN as far as I could slinge,’ mo tho
I thought the letter said the first time Haleigh may have been seen was at Goodwill, the second time was at a gas station. Don’t most gas stations have cameras? Perhaps law enforcement looked and it wasn’t her! I think something similar happened in the Caylee case!
While searching through a search registry for Izor’s all I found were Izor’s who were possibly relation to some Hardy’s.
I agree Vaquera. Weird.
Child related issues
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document…s=NmUxNy00Mzgy
tobias said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Cathy dont forget AS had alot of restraining orders and domestic violence on her from Katrina and others. Mean old woman. Also look in the civil records, AS and Kirby were sueing Walmart.jmo
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That’s not true. she has one for harassing phone calls and one for interference with child custody which were both dropped. As far as suing walmart, do you know what happened?
I did find reference to an Eilesha Izor though no other info on that person. I just found the name, which is spelled differently.
541993MM003980XXAXMX 11/30/1993
Defendant: SYKES, DIANE WOOD
Alias: No Alias Records
542001MM003569XXAXMX 09/21/2001
Defendant: SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE
Alias: No Alias Records
542008CF000845XXAXMX 04/09/2008
Defendant: SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE
Alias: No Alias Records
542009MM002023XXAXMX 06/11/2009
Defendant: SYKES, HOPE A
Alias: No Alias Records
542009CF001150XXAXMX 06/29/2009
Defendant: SYKES, HOPE A
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000023XXAXMX 01/04/2010
Defendant: SYKES, HOPE A
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000143XXAXMX 01/21/2010
Defendant: SYKES, HOPE A
Alias: No Alias Records
542005IN000111WIAXCX 03/03/2005
Defendant: SYKES, JACKIE C
Alias: No Alias Records
542005IN000394BTAXCX 06/15/2005
Defendant: SYKES, JOHN W
Alias: No Alias Records
541990CF001435XXAXMX 10/16/1990
Defendant: SYKES, KEVIN DEAN
Alias: No Alias Records
541990MM001839XXAXMX 05/07/1990
Defendant: SYKES, KEVIN DEAN
Alias: No Alias Records
541997MM003859XXAXMX 09/17/1997
Defendant: SYKES, KRISTEN JANEL
Alias: No Alias Records
541999MM000804XXAXMX 03/04/1999
Defendant: SYKES, KRISTEN JANEL
Alias: No Alias Records
542002CF002026XXAXMX 11/20/2002
Defendant: SYKES, KRISTEN JANEL
Alias: No Alias Records
542003MM000624XXAXMX 02/06/2003
Defendant: SYKES, KRISTEN JANEL
Alias: No Alias Records
542008MM003808XXAXMX 09/23/2008
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542008MM003927XXAXMX 10/06/2008
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542009MM002234XXAXMX 06/29/2009
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000158XXAXMX 01/22/2010
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000159XXAXMX 01/22/2010
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000160XXAXMX 01/22/2010
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000161XXAXMX 01/22/2010
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000162XXAXMX 01/22/2010
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
542010CF000278XXAXMX 02/02/2010
Defendant: SYKES, LEE ALLEN
Alias: No Alias Records
541989MM003264XXAXMX 07/25/1989
Defendant: SYKES, THOMAS ARTHUR
Alias: No Alias Records
541995CF000391XXAXMX 03/09/1995
Defendant: SYKES, THOMAS JEFFERSON
Alias: No Alias Records
541995MM001684XXAXMX 04/27/1995
Defendant: SYKES, THOMAS JEFFERSON
Alias: No Alias Records
542003MM002166XXAXMX 05/01/2003
Defendant: SYKES, THOMAS LEROY JR
Alias: No Alias Records
542006MM002193XXAXMX 05/22/2006
Defendant: SYKES, THOMAS LEROY JR
Alias: No Alias Records
Anybody know who lee allen sykes is?
UCN: 542001MM003569XXAXMX
File Date: 09/21/2001
Judge: PETER T MILLER
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty: STAFFORD, DEBORAH J
Case File Location: SHREDDER – DESTROYED ??????
Defendant: SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
09/21/2001 1 COMPLAINT KATRINA BELCHER HARASSING PHONE CALLS
11/28/2001 2 INFORMATION HARASSING TELEPHONE CALLS
12/05/2001 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT BY SHERIFF’S SERVICE (01/22/2002)
12/11/2001 4 NOTICE RETURNED EXECUTED
01/22/2002 5 ARR MINUTES: DEFT NOT PRESENT
01/22/2002 5 CAPIAS ORDERED – NOT ISSUED
01/23/2002 6 MEMO: DEFT’S SPOUSE HOSPICE PATIENT & COULD NOT APPEAR
01/23/2002 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED
01/23/2002 7 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 02/26/2002
01/24/2002 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-26-2002)
02/26/2002 9 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT (DEBORAH STAFFORD)
02/26/2002 9 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY – PRE TRIAL SET 04/03/2002
02/26/2002 10 AFFIDAVIT
02/26/2002 10 ORDER OF INDIGENCY AND ORDER AS TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDER
02/26/2002 10 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED
02/26/2002 11 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (04-03-2002)
04/03/2002 12 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
04/03/2002 12 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
04/03/2002 12 PD APPLICATION FEE SUSPENDED
I wonder if the Izor’s are possible relations to the Stallings or?
UCN: 542008CF000845XXAXMX
File Date: 04/09/2008
Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
04/09/2008 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO D/S ROBERT NELSON (4/2/08)
04/09/2008 1 INTERFERENCE OF CHILD CUSTODY
04/30/2008 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO ALL COUNTS
*********************************
Why does it say shredded on the above one?
UCN: 541999MM001188XXAXMX
File Date: 04/01/1999
Judge: PETER T MILLER
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: RECORDS CENTER
Defendant: NEVES, TERESA S
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
04/01/1999 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS
05/11/1999 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION
UCN: 542006MM001214XXAXMX
File Date: 03/22/2006
Judge: PETER T MILLER
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: SHEFFIELD, CRYSTAL D
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
03/22/2006 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ JONES 03-21-2006
03/22/2006 1 VIOLATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUCTION
06/07/2006 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION
UCN: 542009MM002995XXAXMX
File Date: 08/18/2009
Judge: PETER T MILLER
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
08/18/2009 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ 08-15-09
12/22/2009 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO BATTERY
I find it amusing that so many condemn the grandparents for not stepping in and then when there is evidence that AS did step in regarding Katrina’s child she is called mean. To funny.
UCN: 542006CF001188XXAXMX
File Date: 06/05/2006
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: RECORDS CENTER
Defendant: SHEFFIELD SR, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias: SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Date # Docket Description
06/05/2006 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO D/S K TRABER (5/22/06)
06/05/2006 1 AGGRAVATED BATTERY CHRIS HALBROOK
07/03/2006 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION
I did not say that WhyLie,but imo she was very rude in the interview infront of the tent?? and imo she lied about the laundry,Just my opinion tho!
I did not say that WhyLie,but imo she was very rude in the interview infront of the tent?? and imo she lied about the laundry,Just my opinion tho!
UCN: 542000CA000041CAXXXX
File Date: 2000-02-02 Disposition Date: 2002-03-27
File Type: OTHER NEGLIGENCE – CA22
Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Plaintiffs
SYKES DOROTHY ANNETTE
SYKES KIRBY Defendants
WAL-MART STORES, INC.
Date Docket Description
2000-02-02 001.COMPLAINT FOR DAMAGES
2000-02-07 002.SUMMONS – ATTY – WAL-MART STORES, INC.
2000-02-07 SUMM RTD 02/22/00 SVD 02/15/00 DUE 03/06/00
2000-02-22 003.NOTICE OF FILING / ORIGINAL RETURN OF SERVICE ON
2000-02-22 >WAL MART STORES, INC.
2000-03-03 004.NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION 05/10/00 @ 1:30 PM AND
2000-03-03 >3:00PM – ON DOROTHY ANNETTE SYKES AND KIRBY SYKES
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2000-03-14 >DEFENSES
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2000-05-22 >CHIROPRACTIC CENTER, PUTNAM RADIOLOGY ASSOCIATES, T
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2001-02-19 >/ JIM POUNDS
2001-02-20 029.NOTICE OF HEARING 4-6-2001 @ 11:00 AM IN RE:
2001-02-20 >PLAINTIFF’S MOTION TO COMPEL AND FOR SANCTIONS
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2001-03-26 >POUNDS
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2001-09-24 034.COPY OF NOTICE OF SERVICE OF DEFENDANTS SECOND
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2001-11-09 >@10:00 IN RE: DEPOSITION RECORDS CUSTODIAN OF DR
2001-11-09 >STEPHAN STANESCU
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2001-11-21 >SETTLEMENT TO DOROTHY ANNETTE SYKES
2001-11-21 052.NOTICE OF SERVICE OF OFFER OF JUDGMENT OR
2001-11-21 >SETTLEMENT TO KIRBY SYKES
2001-11-26 053.MEDIATION DISPOSITION REPORT 11-19-2001 JD MEDIATOR
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2001-11-29 055.NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION DUCES TECUM 11-28-2001
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2001-12-06 >WITNESS
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2001-12-06 >12-18-2001 @2:00 IN RE: DEPOSITION OF E W TASCO
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2001-12-11 067.NOTICE OF HEARING 12-12-2001 @9:00 AWN IN RE:
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2001-12-19 069.AMENDED NOTICE OF TAKING TELEPHONE DEPOSITION DUCES
2001-12-19 >TECUM 12-18-2001 @11:45 IN RE: DEPOSITION OF E W
2001-12-19 >RASCO
2001-12-19 070.ORDER CONTINUING JURY TRIAL AND DIRECTING PRE TRIAL
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2001-12-28 >COMPEL BETTER ANSWERS TO SECOND INTERROGATOIRES
2001-12-28 >GRANTED DEFENDANTS MOTION TO STRIKE EXPERT DR
2001-12-28 >MICHAEL PIETTE MOOT COURT DEFERS RULING ON
2001-12-28 >DEFENDANTS MOTION FOR SANCTIONS
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2002-01-14 >PLAINTIFFS SECOND INTERROGATORIES
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2002-01-22 >COPIES
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2002-01-22 >INTERROGATORIES
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2002-02-06 >GREER
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2002-02-08 093.NOTICE OF FILING RETURN OF SERVICE
2002-02-08 094.SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED BY
2002-02-08 >ATTORNEY TO TOD NORTHRUP MD SVD BECKY FERRIS
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2002-02-13 >TO DR STEPHAN STANESCU SVD 02-11-2002
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2002-02-13 >TO DR JOHN P BASKETT SVD 02-11-2002
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2002-02-13 >TO MARIA RIVERA MD – SVD ALBINO GAW 02-11-2002
2002-02-15 099.DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO STRIKE PLAINTIFFS EXPERT E W
2002-02-15 >RASCO
2002-02-21 100.DEFENDANT’S RESPONSE TO PLAINTIFFS REQUEST FOR
2002-02-21 >COPIES
2002-02-22 101.EMERGENCY MOTION TO COMPEL MOTION TO STRIKE AND
2002-02-22 >MOTION FOR SANCTIONS
2002-02-22 102.NOTICE OF TELEPHONIC HEARING 03-01-2002 @2:15 AWN
2002-02-22 >IN RE: DEFENDANTS MOTION TO STRIKE PLAINTIFFS
2002-02-22 >EXPERT E W RASCO
2002-02-22 103.NOTICE OF FILING DEPOSITION TRANSCRIPT OF E W RASCO
2002-02-22 104.TELEPHONIC DEPOSITION OF: E W RASCO 02-13-2002
2002-02-25 105.DEFENDANT’S EXHIBIT LIST
2002-02-25 106.MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS MOTION TO SRIKE
2002-02-25 >PLAINTIFFS EXPERT ED RASCO
2002-02-25 107.AFFIDAVIT OF GERRI PENNACHIO (EXHIBIT A)
2002-02-25 108.NOTICE OF HEARING 03-01-2002 @10:15 AWN IN RE:
2002-02-25 >PLAINTIFFS EMERGENCY MOTION TO COMPEL MOTION TO
2002-02-25 >STRIKE AND MOTION FOR SANCTIONS
2002-02-28 109.SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR TRIAL ISSUED BY ATTORNEY
2002-02-28 >TO DR TOD NORTHRUM
2002-02-28 110.NOTICE OF FILING IME (MEDICAL EXAMINATION)
2002-02-28 111.INDEPENDENT MEDICAL EXAMINATION BY TED NORTHRUP OF
2002-02-28 >DOROTHY SYKES
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2002-03-01 113.DEFENDANTS MOTION TO STRIKE PLAINTIFF KIRBY SYKES
2002-03-01 >CONSORTIUM CLAIM
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2002-03-27 117.NOTICE OF VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL REC OR BK 889 PG 1906
Ah yes, CJ, she says the photos seen within the doc on your link match the people (or closely resemble) that she and her hubby saw at the Goodwill. She seems pretty sure that one of them was Sapp and the two brothers looked familiar, too.
Alexandria, yes, on that same doc, they write that one of the men pushed Haleigh down to the floor board in the car at the gas station when he realized someone was looking at them. He acted paranoid and behaved suspiciously and anxiously.
UCN: 541999DR007064FDXXXX
File Date: 1999-01-20 Disposition Date: 1999-01-19
File Type: INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION – FD10
Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Plaintiffs
SYKES KATRINA Defendants
SYKES DOROTHY ANNETTE
Date Docket Description
1999-01-20 001.PETITION FOR INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION AGAINST
1999-01-20 >DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
1999-01-20 002.AFFIDAVIT AND MOTION FOR WAIVER OF FEES FOR
1999-01-20 >PETITION FOR INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION
1999-01-20 003.CLERK’S CERTIFICATE AS TO AFFIDAVIT AND MOTION
1999-01-20 >FOR WAIVER OF FEES
1999-01-20 004.FAMILY LAW FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT (SHORT FORM)
1999-01-20 005.TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION AGAINST
1999-01-20 >DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 1/19/99 WAP IN RE: PARTIES
1999-01-20 >TO APPEAR 2/1/99 @ 4:00 AWN RESPONDENT SHALL
1999-01-20 >NOT GO WITHIN 500 FT OF PETITIONERS RESIDENCE
1999-01-20 >224 DAVIS LAKE RD PALATKA FL RESPONDENT SHALL
1999-01-20 >NOT USE OR POSSESS A FIREARM OR AMMUNITION
1999-01-20 >RESPONDENT IS TO HAVE NO CONTACT WITH
1999-01-20 >PETITIONERS MINOR CHILDREN UNTIL FUTHER ORDER
1999-01-20 >OF THE COURT DOES NOT INVOLVE ISSUES OF CUSTODY
1999-01-20 >OR VISITATION TEMP ORD RT 01-25-99 SVD
1999-01-20 >01-21-99 PUTNAM SO#990224
1999-02-01 006.TRO COURT MINUTES ENT CIR CT MIN BK 299 PG 456
1999-02-03 007.ORDER OF DISMISSAL OF TEMPORARY INJUNCTION FOR
1999-02-03 >PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC OR REPEAT VIOLENCE
1999-02-03 >2-2-99 AWN IN RE: EVIDENCE PRESENTED
1999-02-03 >INSUFFICIENT UNDER FLROIDA LAW TO ALLOW COURT
1999-02-03 >TO ISSUE INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION AGAINST
1999-02-03 >DOMESTIC OR REPEAT ACCORDINGLY CASE DISMISSED
Right Iketa!Have you watched the last day seen videos??
Cathy – Hi – Can you make heads or tails out of that Walmart vs. Sykes case? What is it about? Did she fall in the store or something?
if not,very interesting,go to youtube type in haleigh cummings last day seen,4 parts i believe?
statements from the bus stop couple?
How many pages are there on these folks? A million? Sheesh.
rofl jaba!
Iketa- at the gas station where the man pushed the child down in back of car, is there a camera that could have taken at leasr a picture of the vehicle?
It appears someone either AS or Kirby was injured because of the medical investigationjmo
Alotta crime,about 200 yrs experience between em all Jaba,lol
Jill,I had to make some calls but i am gonna try to find out but it seems to me?? they said they were injured but had no proof maybe so Sykes voluntarily dropped it???????
2002-03-27 117.NOTICE OF VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL REC OR BK 889 PG 1906
IDK But what i get is 5 yrs later no proof and it was dropped?
Someone else may know more than me about that!
My BioMum tried that on walmart too,lol said she slipped in soap but she failed to remember she was drunk and fell down??
Take this with a grain of salt but relevant to what we were saying only!
from scared monkeys:
Ok, I found it, TN hadn’t worked since Sept 08, she’s waiting to collect a $50,000.00 ins settlement, heard she and GGMS are fond of suing.
Seems like when we originally searched records AGES ago that there was one for GGMS suing Walmart……anyone else remember that ::MonkeyEek::
Taking it with a grain of salt, but if TN has not worked since 2008 why did she still have the Sheriff coat from Alachua County?
CathyJo63 said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
I did not say that WhyLie,but imo she was very rude in the interview infront of the tent?? and imo she lied about the laundry,Just my opinion tho!
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Even Picazio said there was a stack of washed folded laundry on the table.
Looking,they said she’d had it for 2 yrs,I am not sure tho??????
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Tim: he said that if he wouldn’t have married her she probably would have taken off to Massachusetts or Tennessee or some place with her other relatives and they’d never be able to talk to her and I said Ronald that must be very very difficult to live with and he said it is and he said but if I find out that she had anything to do with it or did it.. his exact word were her teeth will be going out the back of her head
Geraldo: yeah
Tim: and um I don’t know if he is protecting Misty but he is really slowing the investigation down and Misty ya know I’m not at rest here after all but you know after spending 12 days with them people my head was just spinning
Geraldo: I bet I bet Tim thanks
Levi Page: Do you agree with my theory that Teresa Neves was trying to act as if she had law enforcement connections to get the attention off of herself or her family? She arrived on the scene wearing a law enforcement jacket. Isn’t that an odd choice for a jacket? She also lied in an incident report she gave, where she stated that she worked as a dispatcher in Gainsville, but she had not worked there in sometime.
Pat Brown: I guess Neves “just happened” to be wearing the law enforcement jacket and “just happened” to forget that she wasn’t actually working at the job, but isn’t it useful to arrive and get on the good side of the cops right away.
To begin with LE would have been able to talk to Misty at any given time. We saw them go to Mass and Tenn to interrogate Yimmy, Chelsea and Joe. That is a very weak defense on marrying the last person who saw your child and then turn around in 7 months and divorce them.
Levi Page: Why do you think Teresa Neves defended Misty Croslin from the get-go despite her obvious suspicious behavior? She even told Art Harris that Misty ranked at the top of the list of Ronald’s girlfriends. Despite the fact that she knew Misty had been on a drug/sex/alchol binge with a scum bag known to be part of the criminal element in that community, shortly before Haleigh vanished.
Pat Brown: Doesn’t every girl wish she had a boyfriend mama like that? Gosh, you can cheat on her boy, endanger the children, get her granddaughter killed….and she still loves you. Misty is a lucky woman.
Levi Page: Why do you think instead of searching for her missing grandaughter that she instead chose to act as an enabler and encouraged the disgusting behavior of Ronald and Misty? For example she gave Misty a ring that belonged to the family, attended a party at Chili’s when Ronald proposed to Misty, and condoned their wedding all the while Haleigh was missing.
Pat Brown: Can you say “bribe”?
Levi Page: Generally speaking what role do you think she plays in Haleigh’s disappearance? Or what knowledge do you think she has?
Pat Brown: I would like to know exactly what Teresa Neves was doing that whole day from late afternoon until the police saw her at the house. Unless she has one heck of an alibi she could have:
True Looking and especially when you seem to defend them at any cost and that has told me alot!!!!!!!!!!!
She even had time to grab an 8×10 pic Too Looking,all that in what a mere 5 minutes?
CathyJo I definitely agree!
Totally too prepared!
hmmmmm Pat Browne shares my theory,in part?? lol
Pat Brown: I would like to know exactly what Teresa Neves was doing that whole day from late afternoon until the police saw her at the house. Unless she has one heck of an alibi she could have:
1) Help Ronald and Misty get rid of Haleigh’s body before he went to work.
2). Help Ronald and Misty get rid of Haleigh’s body while he was at work.
3) Hang out at Ronald’s work and call Misty on Ronald’s cell phone over and over until he got back from dumping Haleigh’s body.
I don’t know what the police have done about Teresa Neves but they should be all over her in this investigation. If she doesn’t have an airtight alibi and passed a polygraph, they out to hook her up to one and try to get her to crack instead of Misty.
Exactly,It doesn’t make since and then in TN and RC jail call,she says to him,think she’ll talk” and then says “you managed to get that witch in a cell” wth???
imo her and ron were trying to mislead the public?
imo her and ron were trying to mislead the public?
Just none of TN and RC statements make any sence whatsoever!!!!!!
CathyJo you are right something is just not right there. I heard that to in the jail house visit with Ron and TN. How is Misty a witch when she was the best girl Ron ever had?
Maybe that is why LE “tore her ass up”!! Not for one minute do I believe it was about tape recordings or her speaking to Cobra!
CathyJo that is why I believed Mistys statement in the last set of tapes. Misty said ” Ron and TN were pressuring her and telling her things to say.
Exactly right Adams,My opinion too!!!!!
Heya girl,btw!!!!!!!!
yea,all of a sudden Looking she’s a witch in pprivate with ron,
He even says in that interview no one should be listening to their conversation if they do,they’ll answer to FDLE?
IMHO ADAMS,THEY NEED TO RIP HER ASS AGIN!
BAC, Hello and I agree with you. I just keep praying for Haleigh everyday!!
Ditto CathyJo!!!!!!
Cate – I searched Timmy/Ronald harrassing calls and this is what I found (see last rumor):
PCSO Addresses Rumors In Haleigh Case
TJ Hart
I spoke with Lt. Johnny Greenwood and others at the PSCO about the list of wild rumors that took on lives of their own after authorities revealed they actually were looking for evidence of Haleigh Cummings in the L pond they were draining at the Mondex south and west of Palatka off US 19 over the weekend.
Rumor 1) A submerged car had been found with skeletal remains of a small child inside.
“No”
Rumor 2) A car was taken from the pond on a flatbed truck.
“No car was taken from the pond. There was a car towed on a flat bed from a residence, but not by us or for us. I would suspect that the person that owned the car had it towed for whatever reason. We have nothing to do with it or know who the person was.”
Rumor 3) Nay Nay Prevatt had told officers that the “car” belonged to Greg Page.
“No”
Rumor 4) Greg Page’s photo appeared in the jail booking log as Tyrone Djuan Hunter. Was he arrested in this case?
“Don’t know about the jail photo, Page was not arrested or questioned as a result of the Cummings case”
Rumor 5) Misty blew her brains out.
“As of today, we are not working a death to Misty”
Rumor 6) Timmy Croslin came back to the area from Mass and was causing trouble—name heard on the scanner.
“Apparently Ronald made a complaint against Timmy for harassing phone calls”
Everyone’s ass should have been ripped wide open, and NO ONE should have complained about, after all it would have been done for HaLeigh’s sake, get cleared asap, and let LE do what they need to do!
Apparently Ronald made a complaint against Timmy for harassing phone calls”
tHATS THE ONLY ONE THATS TRUE THAT I KNOW OF!
The complaint can be found at Art Harris site. He has a copy of it. It is for phone harrassement. There is a n article that goes with it. I posted it about 2 weeks ago.
Ohh yeah, Hi Gang!!
eXACTLY,WONDER WHY tn WAS NEVER ASKED TO TAKE A LD?
i KNOW THEY SAID EVERYONE WAS OFFERED ONE BUT DO YOU GUYS KNOW IF SHE DID!
AMEN BAC!!!!
i POSTED IT YESTERDAY TOO lOOKING,ON THE OTHER ARTICLE THO!
And now look,the whole thing is a mess and Haleighs farther away imo!
I have no clue if TN took an LDT, but she needs too if not!!
yea CathyJo you are right! This misleading LE is a complete miscarriage of Justice!!!
I saw this post and its a good one so i stole it,lol
TN obviously lied about either where she lived or when she got the news. There has been much debate about this issue. There is NO way she could have left the address she gave LE and driven to 202 in that timeframe. It’s that or she listed a different address… WHy?
It’s no mistake she wore that jacket…that’s a given. Under normal circumstances it would even be smart…even if you were no longer employed there. Hardly something I could see as an impulse on the way out the door though. The picture issue I have debated with the “friends of TN” crew at BNN. Unless it was sitting near the door of her home, it’s an odd choice. and very quick thinking.It is also one of few pictures that din’t reveal Haleigh’s birthmark(s).
In certain forums it is suicide to even broach this subject. Perserverance will pay off. I have to believe that.
March 31, 4:14 AM
That is a great post CathyJo thanks for stealing it.
Thats no doubt in my mind Looking,theres nothing else that it would even explain???
yvw
Looking,
shux,now i am a thief by hanging out wiffem,lol
You are right CathyJo! i am sure that was not her everyday Jacket. If you get woken and find out your grandchild is missing you just usually grab what is close and out the door. No thorough thought process.
Your like Robin Hood, CathyJo
I do not know how truthful TN has been. But, I do know that had Ron been my son, he would never have married her and I wouldn’t have been singing her praises or trying to elect her “Girlfriend of the Year”! In fact my son wouldn’t have been involved with a underage chick, either because of his morals, or ’cause I beat the shit out of him!
omg
FoxyWoman wrote:
Micky, it would appear that you were right about Lindsy. The only reason she is divorcing Tommy is so she doesn’t have to use his name when seeking employment and so she can collect welfare from the state to support herself and her kids. Apparently when she claimed she had a job she was lying. She is still not working.
I listened to some of the tapes from BNN and she told Tommy about a place in California where they could live (she called it a Colony…LOL) and you can buy pot in the shops and grow it. Those three children don’t hang a chance making it in this world. She will never leave Tommy. She has been cruising the bars with friends and hasn’t found anyone who is as great or compares to him..in or outside of bed. This chick has marbles in her head. She is going to get a vagina piercing too. Tommy told her to wait until he gets out.
Lisa and Hank Sr did go to court and the courts let them go with a slap and told them they were FREE TO LEAVE THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
ugh
A vagina piercing??? OMG… that right there tells ya she’s out of her freakin’ mind….!!!
right Looking,even if you remember a jacket,in fl?
bac- you sound like me! I can’t see a mom defending a Ron -Misty relationship!
Good Looking,as long as you see it that way i won’t feel so bad,lol
do you guys remember the interview of TN and Misty,the thing on the water???????
Misty looks intimidated as hello??? in that video…….imo
Bac , I completely understand where you are coming from in your post.
I knew Lyndsey was no goody two shoes.
Alex,
I would have been in jail myself, if that was going on… and it wouldn’t of mattered if it was under my roof or not. There is NO WAY!
CathyJo they both made sure they were with Misty in giving interviews.Misty said they were pressuring her and telling her things to say. I know people do not listen to Art Harris but on NG one night he said you can even ask TN. They were pressuring Misty. Misty would wake up sometimes and find TN standing over her just staring.
BBL!
yes and she told TM and left a VM on his phone that Misty was acting really strange,ready to crack,omg i thought someone?? could kill her and say she did it herself and confessed,omg
I’d almost bet thats how ron kept her inline too! she was scared of him and knew he’d do it? imo
bac- me too! The children come first and no matter what Misty has done, to me she was a child used by Ron and Haleigh paid for it, either through Ron’s doing or Misty’s blackout!
Just like Haleighs relatives,I believe few but do some of it,the reporters i view the same!!!!!!
Guys, have had to just drop in and out today.
Looks like we are still looking at the Ron
theory. I tell you I think it’s him. This has
been two days straight for me.
What could he know to set up a deal!!!!I thought we may hear something this week.
RC imo is abusive as they come and TN enables it!
Lindsy does not have to be divorced to collect state aid in Florida. The children’s father is in jail and their mother is unemployed. She qualifies for financial aid, food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, and probably many other benefits.
CathyJo you are right. Alex Ron did use Misty. jmo
Nothing he could know to set up a deal Coop,unless he lies like hello?? and we all know that answer!
They have them on tape dealing,so whats he gonna tell that makes any difference???
yes whyLie,she does!
I saw a doc yesterday where her house was paid for????????? anyone know for sure,sec,ill find it!
A former article had a blogger that thought Teresa could be involved. SHe was a local woman
that said TN was on the wild side (I think shaking her azz to get what she wanted was what the blogger said.) Then GGM Skyes warns Ron not to take there is a snitch in jail.
Ron’s grief process was so strange. We are taking about his child. Not a wife or a girlfriend.
My boys are in their 40’s but I can still tell if they are lying to me. They never were able to throw a surprise party for me! When I was growing up we always heard “never trust anyone over 30”! This bunch tells me I can’t trust any of them under 30 either!
Cathyjo What do you think the deal for 15 years is about
COOP you are correct on the snitch in there comment. Do you recall what the person’s name was that allegedly told TN this information? Pop’s and/or Bubba? I wonder who that might be?
Trying to muddle through the posts from today…ugh. I don’t believe the Ron theory for one minute. I can’t picture him harming Haliegh, much less doing it before going to work and then go to work like nothing happened and then phone Misty all night and then react the way he did. Why would LE not list him as a suspect, etc? Why put him in gen pop, etc. Why would others cover for him and he is testifying against them? It’s just way too far out of a thought for me.
The only involvement I see Ron having is if he messed with the wrong people and they gave him a payback.
bingo coop!
K guys,think i made a mistake what i found was a doc of some kind a QUITCLAIM DEED?
by Guy W sapp,a married man………..what it says,lol
between Sapp and Linsey K CRoslin and Hank Croslin Jr. for the sum of 10$ for block 5 of st.johns riverside estates and a double wide mobile home?
Lindsy probably has more security with the state than she did with the Tommy. Tommy is
really messed up if he can’t make it to the school drop off with his son.
Could Ron have held down a job while he was taking those pain pills or should I say would
he have been productive?
Not sure if anyone found anything connecting Det. Chris Stallings to GGMa Sykes family or not but I found that there is a Jen Lee? who might possibly be related to him?
Still looking…
Another stolen post but interesting,
from BNN!
In this same interview we see Teresa, first and foremost, needing to “clear” Ron. Second and third, as I see it, keep Misty in the clear, and if not, destroy her credibility in case she talks truth because, thirdly, Tesesa is terrified that Misty could be the one to land her in jail. I mean, Teresa is appearing with her own attorney.
Link. Video to the left of the story: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/…n5251508.shtml
First question by reporter for Teresa: “…what’s the latest you’ve been told about where police stand on this investigation?”
TN: Umm..my son has been cleared and they are looking into the details of Misty’s account.
(Yet, Ron’s own attorney, I believe it was on Nancy Grace, told the world that Ron could not be cleared, that he continued to be on the list of suspects, though he’d been moved farther down on that list).
As with her mother in the “that’s a crock” interview, Teresa’s main objective, no matter the question being asked, is to speak about Ron and his “innocence.”
COOP,i’LL TELL YA,i AM AT A TOTAL LOSS THERE B/C THAT CASE IS ALL SEEN ON TAPE??
What could he know unless he’s getting some help? just mo
Cathyjo that mobile home was Lindsy grandfather’s. Which is Guy Sapp. The quit claim deed was giving it back . He probably put in in their names so they could take advantage of a lower tax since it would be their homestead. He works in the property appraiser office in Flagler County. He would
know all the work arounds with the Homestead
Laws etc. etc
IMO RC and TN are the onlt 2 who know the whole truth!
right,thats why i said i was mistaken,lol
Also, wanted to mention that maybe Ron did call Tn at 3:28….so what? Doesn’t mean she has to be at home doing nothing when he calls. She most likely has a cell just like everyone else. She may of already been in route to his house!
Misty did phone Timmy’s house before the 911 call was made. Maybe she called over there to see if Joe had Haleigh over there or not. Maybe that is when Timmy went and looked and saw Joe sleeping in his clothes. Maybe Timmy or someone called TN and she left to go to Rons. Her thoughts may of been to ‘look official'(with the coat) to get more leverage when looking for Haleigh. Who knows, but Im not judging her for that one!!
When there is a family as big as theirs, there are a lot of phone calls going in and out quickly. We don’t have all the ‘info’ on the phone calls, so conjuring up a blank statement surrounding one phone call we know of (and aren’t even sure of the time) makes no sense to me.
hmm jen lee? I saw that name but skipped over it b/c i didn’t remember hearing it ever!
also if you watch the Geraldo video,Just watching TN in that video imo shows her true character??
she was caught off guard in that video,the others she knew were coming!
Man Cathyjo your 5:40 post is exactly what I have been thinking for the past two days.
Misty would have sang like a canary by now.
Ron is going to point to one of them to get him and Mom off the hook? I wish they would release the cell phone logs. I think those
will go a long way proving fact or ficton in this case.
Ron killed that baby in a fit and Mom is covering.
to grab a pic she would have to be home Jen?
to grab an 8×10 framed off th3e wall??
unless she knew she’d need it and had it before,lol
i agree! Coop!
thats why they both protected the one suspect??
Right. She grabbed it when she left, after getting a phone call from timmy or lyndsy or whoever. Then, Ron comes home, etc. his mom gets called (and she is already in route).
She most likely is taking it to show around to the neighborhood when going door to door looking for Haleigh. Total thought process when dealing with a missing child.
betcha bottom dollar,rc is your man in black!
thats my theoy and i am sticking to it! jmo
i’m alwso gnawing on a porkchop bone,lol
12 miles away jen,remembered also to bring her sherriff jacket and the pic that shows birthmarks clearly??? all in 3 min -5???
May not be something we would think of…but if trained in that, then maybe we would react the same. But we would probably run and bang on people’s door’s and say have you seen a little 5 year old girl with blond hair named Haleigh…. But if you are at the door in a sherriff jacket with a big picture and say,
have you seen this little girl?, then that can be helpful.
I just don’t think we have all the facts, and that is a huge Problemo! Makes it difficult to piece it together.
Yep Cathyjo I can’t wait until it comes out.
The Croslin’s were a diversion while LE got this nightmare figured out. I tell you if that
Grandmother had anything to do with this I am going to spit. As, a Florida taxpaper I will resent every nickle they use to house and feed her. I didn’t know she was unemployed and on
pills too.(legal pill head I guess)
lol Jen,if i ever sell vacums door to door,please tell me where you live,lol not funning,just being me,lol
12 miles wouldn’t matter if she was already in route.
true Jen and would also be trained in what they will ask??
she wasn’t in route,she said herself she was home,didn’t you see her greta inteview?
Wouldn’t there have been a picture of Haleigh in Ron’s Home?
TN was a dispatcher in Alacha County and how long did she work there as a dispatcher.
I tell you one thing if Putnam County LE showed up and an Alacha County dispatcher was
trying to look official. She would know better, I would think.
well Coop,you’d better be saving up for a wonker cuz its coming,lol
rons plea deal was only offered by his attorney to the state, imo. He says he would testify against tc and mc.
For all we know he would write a statement admitting guilt and who was with him at the time in a guilty plea.
They could call him for the trial anyway and he could talk or plead the fifth on what he did.
This was rons offer. He’s dead to rights on tape like misty, heck, with misty in several.
No one framed these people, imo, the video we’ve seen shows that plain and clear.
I would like to know the time stamp on that phone call to Timmy’s and what was said. I would like to know if they called Teresa. I would also like to know if Misty kept trying to call Ron. Did Ron call TN after TN in route to his house on her cell phone? Was Misty on to the 911 call right after that call by Ron on his phone?
There are so many possibilities. I’m sure they spent time weeding people out before calling 911. Ron may of thought his Mom came and got her or that she wandered over there. Misty maybe thought Joe took her and she decided to call and see if Joe was there or not. She probably asked about Tommy too.
exactly Alex,the thing was tho i guess? Is ok,misty looked under the bed,so did ron so they called teresa and she thought too Haleigh was still under the bed so she brought a pic so she could show ron and misty what she looked like cause they still couldn’t locate her under the bed!
beds that were flat on the floor mind you?
Can you imagine how LE in Putnam County must feel. This has got to be a nightmare of a case.
I sure hope they have found a loophole so they can get more funding for this case? I would hate to see a budget shortfall stop the investigation. If things don’t change LE is going to need funding for current mandated services.
I am sick of their lil games,I’ve started playing em back and maybe they’ll read em one day and realize just how dubm they really are! jmo
Her Sheriff jacket meant nothing (except maybe in her own mind)… when you work for LE you are allowed to purchase them, t-shirts, hats… they are different than issued ones that a Deputy or Official Officers wear. And if you’re NOT a SWORN Officer, you are NOT allowed to imply that you are, especially to the public.
CathyJo the last link you put up from
CBS doesn’t work.
Yes, but the facts get misconstrued. Maybe she meant yes she was home, but maybe not distinctly referring to when Ron called her, but to ‘when she got the call’.
Is it known for sure that Joe Overstreet was
at Ron’s house that evening. Did anyone see him
other than the players and GGM Skyes
youre right Jen,we don’t have all the facts due to RC and TN!
NOBODY WOULD DEFEND THE LAST PERSON WHO HAD HER? NOBODY!!!
I just looked up the Eliesha Izor spelling and found that she was possibly married to a Tommy J. Mullins in Palatka, Fl.
Does this name seem familiar to anyone?
Also saw a pic of her and she looks like a female I recall seeing in either a video or pic during the beginning of the investigation.
…Still searching.
Omg! CJ, I laughed so hard at picturing TN showing Ron & Misty the picture, I woke my mom up!
I was married for 25 yrs and if i came home from work and left my dtr with her daddy? By golly he’d better be able to show me where she is when i do get home and ask?
Excellent point Cent!
Its the truth Coop,I am sick of it all!!!! ya know! Not one of Haleighs own loved ones,ppl she herself would have fought for have done nothing but lie and uphold one another,where the hell is Haleigh?
They dunno,and i have a hard time believing they even care at this point!
No tuff but i was a mullins,omg
Who knows! I think LE would of looked at all of that by now. It’s been over a year. They still have no suspects, persons of interest or anything. No evidence, no nothing. Except 3 people in jail for drugs who they keep hoping to still get info out of about Haleigh.
If LE would of looked for Jaycee Duggard and followed up on what her stepfather told them (he was the last to see her at the bus stop and reported her being pulled into a car by a woman), then they wouldn’t of spent 18 years “blaming him and ruining his whole life!” And Jaycee would not of lived in the backyard at Garrido’s for 18 years under a tent! They too were sure he had something to do with it and was lying to them. Sad it has taken this long for him to be free…and Jaycee too.
Just saying.
it doesn’t,sec Cricket!
Thanks Tuff… now I’m thinking that perhaps her grilling was because of implying, or name dropping! You just never know, do ya?
Did TN get paid to appear on TV ?
grrrr Cricket,what info were you interested in,i already forgot,lol shewwwwww But i’ll find whatever ya neeed???? n’p
CathyJ, I say we take them ‘all’ to the River, bind their feet and hands and lower down face first into the alligator infested waters and see if they confess!!!
It would sure do it for me.
right Jen,me too,just sayin! lol
but i will admit,i am fed up to my eyeballs with these characters!
HallelujaHHHHH Jen!!!!!! Need to do something,jail don’t scre em’its like a vacation to these idiots!
I know. It makes us all a little crazy for sure.
But, I too believe that not one of them give a flip about Haleigh, where she is or what happened to her.
Amen Adams,Amen!
I don’t know Coop,not that i have heard?
Teresa said in the Greta interview that Ron called her @ 3:27 or 3:28am. If not trying to hide anything; wouldn’t she have told who really called her? It has been stated that Misty called Timmy around 1AM.
Jaycee’s stepfather wasn’t the only one who last saw her! A neighbor also witnessed what happened!LE didn’t beleive either of them. And then you have the incompetents who can’t even find them in the backyard when neighbors said they were there. Philip Garrido was a good liar and con man,like a lot of people involved with Haleigh! jmo
now we totally agree Jen,if just one would tell the truth,even a scrap of it Jen,then it would be solved,but they all protect one another and thats why I am so F#%$^%&^%$$# Ticked off,I am sorry but i ain’t either!!!!!!
Lets put them all in with Van Der Sloot and see how long they last. I bet their underwear and bad food would be the last thing they would think to complain about.
Little ole Misty coulda been broke in a day if she knew???????
Little ole Misty coulda been broke in a day if she knew???????
amen sista!!
That lil prick!!!!
I dunnin went and got all mad,rofl see what they do to me?
See, I think the timelines are so screwed up, we really don’t have the right info to make heads or tails out of any of this.
That’s why it makes us all so F’n mad.
This one CJ
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/…n5251508.shtml
rofl,here i felt bad for saying the F word,rofl shewwwwww
OK Cathyjo I just don’t know what the protocol is for these CNN show etc. I would think it’s a great opportunity to raise awareness about your child. However, who gave Misty the resources to go to NY. That is not cheap and especially if you do anything in the city!
exactly right Looking,so if tn and rc were innocent,why start with even one tiny white lie??
CathyJo: TN has not taken a polygraph and had not been asked to. Cobra had mentioned something about NG footing the bill for TN to have some work done, chemical face peel and some other stuff, so that she would look better on TV. All of this info is at least 3 or 4 months old.
You are saying the same as I have for months. RC and his beloved Mother and Grandmother are the “keys” to this whole mess.
I’ve been following Pat Brown’s blog for quiet some time now. I believe she knows what she’s talking about.
IMO
Do you think they have commissary in the Peruvian Prison/Jail?
Two people have said they were at the MH that night, Tommy and Misty. I do not believe Misty hurt Haleigh, but I could be wrong, that leaves Tommy. I think Tommy is more then capable of doing about anything.
Alex: Too funny!
Jaycee Duggard is one major reason as for why I flatly REFUSE to give up on Haleigh Cummings or any other missing Child’s case that I become aware of!
Jaycee Duggard was found alive but sadly that is no guarantee for any other missing Child.
I am always hopeful don’t get me wrong. It makes no difference for me either way though because although the most positive outcome would be to find Children who are living it’s all about justice in the matter, that and for sure it’s about doing what we can to ensure that not another Child would have to suffer at the hands of anyone else!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVfdV00cers&feature=related
also teresa and ron both said ron called her while misty was on 911,well thats a lie cause we heard him only screaming at Misty and at the end he says,wheres my f’n phone,i got better ppl to call or something like that and the call was made at 3:27 so that gives tn even less time????
I know she hasn’t lucy but the le offered one to everyone involved? I know i’d take one?
as i do!!!!!!! Lucy!
Yep I have been a little ticked at the Croslin
/ Cummings Clan. Stop the damn lying. It cost manhours to prove every point. Those manhours and resources could have been used for Haleigh’s investigation. I just don’t like my tax dollar going to keep up the likes of this bunch. I don’t resent Lindsy and her kids eating and living indoors but I have a problem keeping that bunch locked up on my dollar.
I wish we could exile Ron…
So, did anyone else get the idea that Tommy doesn’t know how to ‘tell time’?
Listen to the jailtapes. He asks Lyndsy the time, all the time. AND its because they have regular clocks in the jail on the walls.
He can probably figure out the digital ones, but not the regular ones. You might laugh, but there are a lot of kids and adults who can’t tell time. They were raised on digital watches and clocks! Poor education or sliding by that part of the learning.
Remember, Misty says “I remember seeing a 3 on the clock”. She probably can’t tell time either!!!! She probably doesn’t even know how to set an alarm (this is another thing that a lot of kids and Adults don’t know how to do). She has never had to get up in the morning to be at a job….so why set an alarm or think about it?
Maybe this explains why Haleigh is late for school?
Could explain a whole lot of things with all these folks. Some can’t read, some can’t spell, and some can’t write and I bet the majority can’t tell time either.
When my grandson looks at the digital clock, he knows the numbers, but doesn’t put them together yet to say what time it is.
What do you think will happen to him if no one teaches him? He would grow up and say there is a 3 and a 2 and a 7 or a 327.
Notice Misty uses words like, it was “sunny outside” or it was “supper time” or it was “bedtime” when trying to relate to the time. She does say that the kids bedtime is 8:00, but Im really not convinced that she knows what that is on the clock. After all, 10% of 100 is ???hmmm.
if she weren’t lying,she’d take one on her own,even Misty offered that and who knows they didn’t talk her into it?
Coop
If Misty was on one of the network shows
they probably paid her way . Isn’t the
time DB went with her if it was TM paid
for it
LE giving free LD and everyone didn’t line up is crazy. Take the thing so they can get to the nitty gritty and find the missing baby.
Look better,it’d take more than a dead skin scrape to look better to me!!!!!!!!!
won’t even protect Haleigh,BS!!!!!!
thats it exactly Coop,Ida took 10???
I doubt Crystal can tell time either.
I believe Tommy asks for the time, meaning how much longer till their time/visit is over. Misty does it too. Apparently they can NOT always see the timer on their end.
IMO, the Croslin’s are just stupid and vulnerable enough to be set up by the real crooks. Misty has said it herself, she only repeats what others have told her and was intimidated and bullied by everyone involved(RC,TN,&AS). Misty’s been set up and Tommy was taken along for the ride. Tommy wasn’t going along with the story, hence, dead headless rat in the mailbox. The actual “keys” are the 3 stooges, Ron, Teresa, and good ole’ Granny Sykes. I just seems to me, that Misty would’ve cracked by now.
It’s all very strange. Very limited communication concerning Ron has been released and I don’t think it’s an oversight. Maybe, LE wants Ron to think he’s got a comfort zone. Although, Ron and his family isn’t stupid enough to slip up on tape.
I’m stuck on the “Ron” did it theory. Sorry to those feel he’s not involved. All IMO only.
No, Tommy specifically asks Lyndsy what time is it? He then says, well I was looking at the clock, but then I didn’t know for sure what time it was and next time I looked they were bringing lunch…etc.
I heard him do that a few times on the tapes.
These people are lacking in a lot of things we take for granted and would not question. It’s hard to figure out, because the things they do are so different from what we would do.
All I know is they are constantly asking about visit-time.
wowwwww
In an interview with NBC’s “Today” this morning, Haleigh Cummings’ paternal grandmother said she suspects former daughter-in-law Misty Croslin is the key to finding the little girl.
“I believe, whether or not she realizes it, Misty is holding something that could possibly help Haleigh’s case,” Teresa Neves told NBC’s Ann Curry. “All the law enforcement have said she is the key to this. You have to figure that there’s something that she’s not telling.”
Neves said she didn’t know if Croslin is withholding information on purpose or subconsciously.
Croslin and her ex and Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, were arrested in a drug sting last week in Putnam County. They each face multiple counts of trafficking charges and remain jailed.
But the main focus on “Today” was Haleigh, who has been missing nearly a year. Grandmother Neves said she didn’t believe Croslin had done anything to hurt the 5-year-old girl.
“It has been a very hard year,” Neves said. The grandmother highlighted the challenge of keeping the child’s face in the media spotlight. Neves spoke to “Today” via satellite from Welaka.
“Haleigh has the most beautiful smile,” Neves said. “It lights up a room, and it warms your heart. And we just miss her smile.”
JenM- If Misty can’t tell time, then we don’t when she got up and found Haleigh missing!
Yes, he asks that too. How much time do we have left???? Then silence. Then the ‘I love you’s’ start for a while. Then, how much time do we have left?
if thats all they miss good god!
wonder why that wasn’t TN first thought!
Also, if Misty can’t tell time… that sorta implies that someone fed her the time-line. And if that is the case, who would have had immediate access to her in order to do just that??
Where Did Misty Cummings Go When She Left Home?
TJ Hart
Enquiring minds have been wondering just where did the stepmom of missing Haleigh Cummings go without her husband this week as she was seen leaving with a girlfriend.
Unconfirmed rumors had it that Misty Cummings and husband Ronald Cummings had a bitter argument over the weekend as a pond was being drained a short ways away in the search for Ronald’s 6-year-old daughter Haleigh who who vanished back in February. However, Misty was seen on WESH-2 TV video kissing Ronald goodbye as she left with a woman to an undisclosed location.
Misty was indeed in Orlando with the intent to visit Universal Studios according to her attorney and according to her mother-in-law Teresa Neves. Ronald and his son Junior were to meet up with Misty in Orlando today, but things changed after the media discovered their plans and made them public.
Misty is expected home today .
______________________________________________
Neves tells 97.3 The Sky her boyfriend paid for the tickets.
You got that BAC!
My ex had friend that couldn’t read or write. I new him for yrs. before I found it out.
meant to type you’ve got that right BAC
true Adams,!!!!!!!!!!
heres one i hadn’t seen! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D–tFh5iBQ8
yes! CathyJo we know it was Tim Miller who paid for Misty during that time. Why lie about something so darn simple?
It says Tommy knocked on the front door?
it also shows the locks?
Thats what i am saying Looking,why even just “one lie”
LFJ… hee hee, I understood!
Of course, I don’t really know what Misty is capable of doing as far as life-essentials/skills.
it just tells me,not to trust anything you have to say!!!
Misty described the clock to be a digital clock and the numbers are lit up in red.
she is faking in that video,obvious!!!!!
sniff,sniff but never a tear!
Right Alexandria. The facts are so misconstrued. Misty says, I saw a 3 on the clock and Haleigh was gone.
Well it could of been 12:03 or 1:30 or 2:30 or 2:03 or 3:00 or…..
If she called Timmy at 1:00am, then it could of been 12:53 she woke up and she was gone. We really don’t know. She could of searched for her for an hour before Ron got home, or 2 hours or 3 hours or she could of disappeared at 3pm that day when it was “sunny outside” like she said in her LDT. If she was drugged up from partying with Tommy and Joe, she won’t remember what time anything really happened.
Therefore she guesses…”I remember seeing a 3 on the clock”. To me, that doesn’t say it is 3am, it could be anytime. Surely her and Ron spent more than 20 min. looking and calling around, right?
Misty says she “opened the front door” and there was Ron! So, was that the first time she opened the front door looking for Haleigh?
Or did Misty say, “oh f…k! I better find Haleigh before Ron gets home! She called Timmy’s at 1:00 (in my opinion looking to see if Joe was home or if he had her) and she probably called TN too. She then may of tried to call Ron (as a last resort to finally let him know)but maybe his line was tied up trying to reach her. They both kept going to the VM. Ron probably figured she was still pissed off and had the phone turned off (that’s the way my phone works). He had no reason not to beleive she was sleeping, etc. so he stops at the store, etc. This is the way I believe this stuff happened.
I want to know if she called Lyndsy’s and if she answered or if Tommy was home by then or what was happening. Misty may of been dingy from the drugs still and not clear on what to do. She could of been in a state of panic and not thinking clearly. She may of kept thinking it was all a dream. Drugs didn’t help.
However, we don’t know a lot of things.
looking for Justice said,in June 11th, 2010 at 6:37 pm yes! CathyJo we know it was Tim Miller who paid for Misty during that time. Why lie about something so darn simple?
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And if TN knew the truth then RC must have also known the truth so why did he tip Misty off about Donna Brock like he allegedly did?
thats exactly right Tuff!! why?
That is right Tuff!! That was in his best interest to find his daughter. Why did he do that? He knows!!!
I thought I heard somewhere that Ron said he came home and the door was open! Was the door open or did Misty open It?
It seems as if they let out just enough rope for Misty and then wham! That rope got sinched up in a quick second!
Yes, but they seem to be hanging each other rather then themselves!
JenM Ron did not get home until 3:24am. In the original police report it said that Misty said she woke a little before 3AM. Why wait until Ron gets home and then wait 4 minutes to call 911?
oops 3 minutes
If Rons phone was off it would not ping.
That incident regarding the tip off about DB makes Misty appear to be the lowly and desperate little rag doll in all of this imo.
So, here is my thought….if Ron did call TN and she arrived in 5 min or less from 12 miles away, etc…..
I think she “says” she was at home when Ron called, because she is covering for Misty. TN doesn’t want Ron to know that Misty didn’t call 911 right away or call him at work. They both knew he would be furious. So they lie together. TN says she ‘just found out’ when Ron tells her. Timmy and Chelsea, same thing…no way would they rat out Misty for trying to find out where Haliegh was for a while before Ron got off work! He would kill her for not calling him and calling 911 right away.
That’s why when they ask him, ‘Ron, did Misty call 911 right away, or why did she wait…”
Ron always says that Misty called right away as soon as she discovered Haleigh missing.
Misty illudes to the 3 on the clock, because she doesn’t want to admit to what time Haleigh went missing because Ron will be furious with EVERYONE, not just Misty, for not letting him know and not calling 911 right away.
Thats my thought on how human behavior works in situatons such as this.
Hasn’t Ron and Teresa both warned others of “snitches”? You would think, if you were an innocent person, that snitches would be their best friends in finding clues to HaLeigh.
And what was all the crap with Cobra and Teresa meeting up in that “search” and Teresa taking off and leaving Cobra in the alligator infested brush? Was she trying to shut Cobra up? That little search, I still don’t get it.
Can anyone add to that?
wow,new one Crystal Sheffield said,if they’re coming to get my dna today,Tell them i have an appt…….lol sheeeesh
I had never seen this!
http://article.wn.com/view/2010/03/15/Paedophile_teacher_Gerard_Raffell_paid_off_parents_of_4yearo/
Ron and Misty conspired to cover this up. Why can’t Tommy pass a lie detector. Misty, is 17 years old I just don’t think she can fool the FBI. Maybe Putnam but I couldn’t fool the FBI.
Those guys are the best of the best. FDLE probably didn’t send any slouchs in either.
What is missing. Something or Someone doesn’t fit not for sure who? Man guys you manage to get me wishy washy again and I have been holding firm to Ron for two days?
Off the topic- 1 yr old hostage is still being held. LE delivered a package of water, food and diapers. 80 people are still displaced from the surrounding apartments!
allz I know Lucy,I don’t believe a thing they’ve said,then or now,tn,rc,as period! jmo
here tn and rc lawyered up? wth?
Wow that’s highly speculative considerations there JenM. I would have never thought of all of that. Thanks.
So why would TN not want to rat out Misty?
According to GGMa Sykes the family was very angry with Misty at that time so that part is very confusing.
LFJ, I would think that if he got home at 3:24, waiting 4 minutes after he arrives is not that long. He would want an explanation and then call for Haleigh himself to find her, then call 911, while he is loading his gun to find the mf that stole his child.
However, those are the times we have been given and they really don’t mean a lot because we don’t know if they are even accurate.
omg Alex? seriously?
Alex, here again we have two different accounts. Ron first said Misty opened the door. In the second he said when he pulled up Misty was standing in the doorway he got out and he asked her what she was doing up and that is when she told him the back door was propped open and your daughter is gone. Why tell Ron your daughter is gone and then tell 911 our daughter is gone?
Ron has just as many inconsistent statements as Misty does.
CJ it seems that around the time when TN lawyered up is when the calls from TN to whomever about Misty allegedly being ready to “break” came about also no?
Why would TN need legal representation if that were the case?
but never took that gun out the back door onec?? don’t buy it!
Heeven said himself,quote,i looked for 3 minutes for Haleigh then Called 911
Glad you brought up that little search, stilllucy. I agree with the main things that have been said. Ron is guilty, no doubt in my mind. Of what, exactly, that is where my question lies.
3 minutes,he timed that too?
stilllucy isn’t the area that TN led Cobra to search the same area where a retired Marine with a temper for trespassers lives also? (I don’t recall exactly where that man lives.)
exactly,and then rc even wanted to start a non profit org to pay for his P.I?
THEYRE AS GUILTY AS SIN….IMO THO ONLY!
Looking,in another he says he walked out and seen the brick?????
We know for a fact that 911 call was made at 3:27am.
Cj- I don’t know how this man can stay up so long. We’re into the third day! People want to go into their apartments, businesses want customers and LE is spread thin! This guy is keeping more then the baby hostage!
TS: Absolutely! Why would TN need to lawyer up when she has NG on speed dial? LLLLLOOOOOLLLLLL!
How can TN go on TV and state Misty is definitely not the person she thought she was when TN knew all about Misty’s three day drug binge the weekend before Haleigh disappeared… JMO
Why is it that Ron made Misty call 911? Misty had only known Haleigh for a short time. You hear Misty at one point in the call say I don’t want, but then she gets on the phone again.
Tuff Stuff, I know that my friend has covered for her daughter in law, because she didn’t want her son to get mad about something she did. It truly would of just made the situation way worse.
Plus, if her son had a temper like Ron and he found out that they all knew his daughter was missing for a while when he was at work, because they were looking for her and checking with family members, he would GO OFF.
To prevent that, you just go along with whatever needs to be said to keep things calm. i.e. Yes son, I just found out. Or, yes Ron, I just woke up and she is gone. ..etc.
Ron’s response..he freaks out, tells Misty to call 911, is beyond mad, threatening to kill someone, etc. Can you even imagine how angry he would be at his family if he knew they were lying to him about this?
That may explain Misty’s recent confession of “I tried and tried to reach Ron”!!! (The truth may slowly come out, now that Misty is starting to not give a crap about how Ron feels or what he thinks.)
Sorry, but this is how dysfunctional families operate. TN enable Ron to the max. Everyone walked on eggshells around him.
Telling him that Haliegh had been missing for hours and that they had tried to reach him but couldn’t, would only make him go beserk! He would lose it, knowing that no one called 911!
Just my opinion.
You would think that at least Ron & Misty would both agree on what happened when Ron got home. But Ron says the door was open and Misty says she opened it!
That’s one eerie “LLLLLOOOOOLLLLLL!” there stilllucy.
(I laugh at weird moments also though so….)
It’s not so much the laugh but the situation that is eerie though too so you are officially off the hook imo.
Why would TN need legal representation?
It’s mind blowing though ennit?
“He had to give up his freedom to bring Haleigh home, and that is what he has done”
Remember TN Saying that,loleven the video was removed??
I just remember the “search” TN needed Cobra’s assistance with, she ran away, left him, or something. It always struck me as extremely odd. Made no sense unless, TN was trying to create an accident for Cobra. Maybe he would’ve been hurt, threatened, or whatever. What was up with that? Does anyone remember what the story was? Not trying to beat a dead horse, just curious as he77 about that.
thats why i believe Misty really don’t know,she was protecting ron!!!!
OIC JenM. Hmmm. I get it now. (((Finally lol) Thank you.
Misty was coached I believe and she could not keep the story correct as she was told. Now in jail Misty is starting to lose it, but fears what her punishment will be as well for her involvement with the cover-up.
Door open, opened door….same thing. Misty opened the door. Ron says, the door is open.
I see no mystery in that at all. One persons action is opened the door and the other is saying that the door is open.
Still say not a one of them can tell time.
Plus, I think they are just repeating times they have heard because they don’t want to give the real time this happened.
TN says
“[Ronald] feels like they’re so certain that Misty knows something and that Misty is going to say something while she’s in there. He feels like if there’s anything she does know, then she’s going to tell it,” Neves explained.
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“He tried. He’s only been hanging around her for two or three weeks, trying to befriend her, find out what he could – and this is what happened,” Neves said. “It’s like he said, if it brings Haleigh home, it’s all worth it.”
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l…151293&catid=3
The article for TN leading Cobra into the wooded area is on Art Harris site. In March 2009 archives.
I’d betcha my sox on it Looking!
stilllucy, She ran away because she saw a snake, is what she said. What else are you trying to remember about it?
Why wouldn’t Misty tell the truth about what she knows? IMO she is afraid of someone or something. If true then who or what is Misty afraid of?
my clean or dirty sox,lol
Snakes and hogpens video? Looking,i still say there was a bad vibe there too!
LOL!! CathyJo
Misty could come out of this looking like the hero. She could gain some public sympathy. If, she would just tell what she does know. Sometimes I think she needs a shrink more than an attorney. Or maybe, her attorney needs a shrink.
TS: I’ve picked up some funnies from our friend CathyJo…….She’s a blast! I put her right up there with JB! My heros……..
Oh yeah, IMO!
Satsuma, FL– Did Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings Gram try to set up William “Cobra” Staubs by leading him into a remote area of the woods about a mile from her son Ron Cummings home? Teresa Neves, is the grandmother of Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, missing from her Satsuma home since February 10, 2009
In the most bizarre video footage yet, captured by artharris.com, Teresa Neves appears to brazenly lead Cobra and his team into a backwoods area resmebling a scene out of deliverance.
Ms. Neves was sobbing when she called Cobra Staubs on his cell phone from her red pickup truck and asked him to meet her at the Citgo Sation on 17. She told him she had been by herself searching out there for the past 4 hours.
..”I was just walking and I got lost.. there was a trailer and it sounded like a squeaking door from deep in the woods..”
Cobra and his son Matthew, attempted to locate the owner of the trailer by knocking on the open door and calling out “Investigations Here, Anyone home?”
As they began wondering into the woods looking for clues, they abruptly lost Neves and could not locate her. Deep within the woods they had never been in, Staubs gets a call on his cell. It’s Neves.
..” Where you at.. You on the Road? You ran into a six foot Moccasin..? Who did you all up and leave us out in the woods, was this part of the plan?
As Cobra and son headed towards the road, they ran into a former marine who was local. He stated that what Neves may have thought was underground prisons was his innocent hog pens.
It appeared that Ms. Neves, who works as a dispatcher for the Sheriff’s Office was wearing flip flops when she met up with Cobra and would not be appropriate or footwear one would be sporting to go trouncing through the brush and soggy ground for 4 hours. Cobra thinks she set him up. For what purpose, remains to be seen.
It was later discovered that the area had been searched three times previously with 168 officers, a fact that Ms. Neves would have been aware of.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/27/haleigh-cummings-case-gramma-neves-snakes-and-hogpens/
I wonder who the property owner is/was that owned the area of land that TN led Cobra to search too.
Jen M, ITA about the Croslin’s not being able to tell time, or read. I recall that Hank Sr. has a severe reading disorder and is illiterate. I think Misty has it as well, that would explain why she ran and hid, as Lisa Croslin recalls, instead of going to school. It explains a whole bunch about this family, and actually makes me sad. Having a reading disorder doesn’t make you stupid but it sure makes life hard. Sympathy isn’t where you were going with this, though… Anyhow, I do agree that Misty and Tommy may well not be able to tell time, or read very well at all, either one of them. We’ve seen how Misty writes, like a third grader, imho.
dunno for sure but i was told that the man who owned that property always shot at whoever was on the property but he wasn’t home?? i dunno tho!!!!!!!
Thanks Tuff Stuff, sometimes its hard to make it clear when writing it down. I just think that sort of thing happens a lot in families. The girls stick together cause the men will get so upset and make things worse.
The men stick together to avoid being yelled at by the wife.
However, if the two don’t get their ‘times’ down before hand, there can be confusion.
Misty: ‘uh, I woke up and there was a 3 on the clock’ (said this because she knows what time Ron gets home, so made out like she just woke up before he got there)
TN: ‘uh, it was 3:27 or 3:28 when he called’ (said this because she heard 3:27 this in reference to Ron).
Not covering for Ron, but for each other. TN knows how young and fragile Misty was and how rageful Ron could be and didn’t want an outburst, esp. with Jr there, etc. (that wouldn’t help in finding Haliegh anyway). TN probably thought Ron would hit her or hurt her over this.
The Saying in my friends family is this:
ANYTHING TO KEEP THE PEACE!
Cate: It just felt like TN was setting Cobra up for something, IMO. Too weird. TN was inserting herself into that detective mode as she has done since then too. Just all too weird.
There was a very bad vibe. It starts out with TN crying and wanting Cobra to take a look. If she thought something was really up she would of called LE. Then she asks Cobra how many leads he has and at that time he had a bout 100 and off they went into the woods. TN leaves them all behind,allegedly due to a snake. IT is still very cold out at this time. I believe she even said it was a cotton mouth. She ends up calling Cobra from her truck. TN was up to no good and Cobra was asking the right questioins and getting to close in my opinion.
I remember reading the same thing CJ. How can we look up that info?
she knew le had searched it before??
stillucy, and now you are really making me laugh, “Sometimes I think she needs a shrink more than an attorney. Or maybe, her attorney needs a shrink.”
Misty definitely needs a shrink. This is embarrassing to admit but one of the reasons that I sympathize with her is that I was “unclear about reality” in the way that she seems to be, when I was her age. I didn’t keep track of time (I did, however, know how to read an analog clock in addition to a digital) and there was a fuzzy line between what really happened and the way that I wanted to think that it happened. I wasn’t on drugs, either. Some of us are just wired this way. And in Misty’s case, when you add the drugs… I do believe that she is capable of “reconstructing the truth,” but she may well need a therapist to assist.
trying to now,hmmmmmm sec
you could even tell by TN actions that something was up,she kept looking around all nervous when Cobra knocked?
stilllucy, Yes, she was definitely setting Cobra up. I think lfJ has it right, “TN was up to no good and Cobra was asking the right questioins and getting to close in my opinion.” I think she hoped that the guy would open fire on Cobra!
Sorry JenM- it’s a big difference- Ron said he drove up and door was open, he saw Misty standing there, I beleive he asked her what she was doing out there or words to that effect.
Misty says she opened the door and Ron was there! As if she was shocked to see him! If the door was open when Ron drove up, surely Misty would have heard him coming and would not have been surprised when she saw him at the door!
shoot,I’d have been on ole Cobras shoulders if i seen a snake? crazy
Cate, in my opinion, this is what has been holding up the case. I think they are trying to get Misty on the right medications that will clear her thought processes a little and uncloud her thinking. I think she is seeing a psychiatrist. I also think she has Dissociative Disorder with Amnesia from witnessing a traumatic event (the taking of Haleigh).
that is my sincere opinion.
the man had a gun?? for cying out loud!
bbl, darling hubby home with pizza!!!!!!
Well everyone I am going to call it a night. I willsee you all tomorrow. God Bless and Good Night.
Alex, I guess its just a play on words and semantics can be tricky. I hope it doesn’t hold a big key to this case as far as what happened to Haleigh.
CathyJo63, I don’t know for sure that the Hogpen owner had a gun but didn’t he have that reputation?
I also read an article where AS clearly explains to the reporter that she is “well known” in the area.
Well it’s a fact of life that pretty much everyone has enemies. So far none of her enemies have had a word to say about any of the family as far as I can tell.
Seems very odd imvho.
Of course it appeared that someone showed up here to post who allegedly knew TN and this person didn’t mince words much about her though.
CathyJo,
I blew the heads off of rattlesnakes and watermoccasins this last weekend down at the lake, with a 22. Im not gonna try to outrun a f’n snake.
JenM- I agree with you on the disassociate disorder with amnesia but not necessarily that it was the taking of Haleigh ( that that’s still open to me) but that she witnessed something more tragic!
Out of here….have a nice chat tonight everyone. Hope Haleigh is found.
Alex, yes, the cases usually seen in psych are something done to that person themselves. They were raped, etc. But will deny it, because they don’t recall. Could of been that or could of been seeing something done to Haleigh?
Hell, I don’t even want to think about that, so Im sure she doesn’t either. It takes meds and therapy. I hope its worth the wait for us to find out.
Well JenM- if I ever have to search in a snake infested area, I’m on your team!
I can’t find anything different at all guys,the sanke and hogpens story?
Cate: That’s where I was going with that. I wonder if anyone on her “team” has looked at this as a solution to all that Misty has gotten herself into. Don’t get me wrong, if Misty is involved, let her face the music. I just think she needs help from someone outside of LE.
I was a liason in a correctional facility for mentally handicaped inmates. There are not alot of compassionate guards that understand what’s going on in the minds of those that are totally lost. On many occassions all it took was someone to hear them and address simple issues. Be completely honest and truthful. Not that any of them were there because they should’ve been but my duty was to keep the peace, educate, and listen. Made for an easier time for all, LE & inmates.
Did that make any sense at all?
So was TN trying to get Cobra shot, killed, or what? Maybe anything she could do to keep him quiet. Everytime her name comes up, it’s shady.
The same scenario with the search at the dock that her and Granny Sykes pulled. WTH?
right Cate,though i have never been able to confirm it?? lol
I guess i confirm my own thoughts lol but hadda quit that lil habit but i can still think what i wanna,rofl
I wonder though too since the woman with the dog does some type of therapy sessions with people there locally, if it were possible that there might perhaps be some type of connection between her and AS also, due to RC’s GrandFather’s condition before he passed on or?
…Just a thought.
only 2 snakes i am skeert of,a dead one or a live one,lol
odd to me Lucy,Cobra was investigating more leads??
I’m with you on the snakes CJ! lol
he had alot of drug connections,ya know talking to the druggies who trusted hhim?
stilllucy I love you! The mentally ill need more advocates and that is a fact!
TS: Now that’s a thought. Maybe that’s why LE is ignoring her calls, the personal relationship. I can’t imagine that LE would ignore her if they felt that she actually had something to contribute to the case of HaLeigh.
Seems like they’ve listened to alot of bunk from everyone and everywhere else, ie:Granny Hollars!
shoot,ya can’t think like a normal person and understand these people,ya gotta try and think what a nut would do and you’ll get more answers,lol
sad but oh so true!
I’d say theres alot of ppl who were scared of the Cummings,Croslin,Sykes,!
OK admission time. I LOL’d loudly at ya that time CJ.
LMAO!
bbl
and well,just so happenes I am a certified nut myself!
I have a hard time taking what Cobra says as gospel. He also said that KP was sitting on his motel bed with cut-up feet after doing the Oprah! Then he changed that.
le needs to watch a replay of one flew over da cuckoo’s nest and get a grip of what they’re dealing with!
Adams,all of em are for me now but he cusses like a sailor and i do too when i think about this case so maybe he’s frustrated as i am! lol
when they don’t cuss in this one,somethings not being told!
CathyJo… I do too in my ever day life!
ya can’t deny it though Tuff,rofl can ya? NOPE
CathyJo: To hear Cobra tell it, he’s had more leads than anyone. The criminal element would talk to him before LE. Makes sense but LE doesn’t trust him for that exact reason. LE doesn’t trust stories from people with histories. Been there, done that.
TS: We all gotta do what we gotta do. And for me, I got a way with the “crazies’! They trust me. I listen, forever, I never tell them that I will do something that I can’t, they know that I keep my word, and I always follow thru. I still get calls from clients from back then. Sometimes it’s a little creepy but, I subscribe to the belief, what goes around, comes around. It’s a karma thing!
Who knows, maybe I’m just a wee bit crazy! Hush up, OJ!!!!!LOL, again!
i DO,AND DIDN’T BEFORE!!!!
Heck i live alone Adams,can’t cuss the same 3 walls,they start ignoring me after awhile!
shoot,I gotta buy aunt Jamima syrup just to have somebody smile at me in the mornings,lol
CathyJo: I am laughing out loud, too! My family thinks I’ve lost it! You crack me up! Keep up the great work…….
right,I use to adore ole Cobra and i’d rather be striped than to turn bout face on him but i started wondering awhile back myself!
****That’s my CathyJo****
I’m glad i do Lucy,atleast somebody in the real world enjoys me,LoL
OH BUT IT IS SO FRUSTRATING!!!! Can you imagine le?? omggggggggg
LE started with shaky hands/feet on shaky ground.
Heck,I’m ole and dazed… one owner, need parts?…make an offer?
ain’t that the truth Adams!
More twisted than the kids on different strokes!
Its just too weird for me from the 911 call frwd!!!!!!!!!
I’m not sure how real my world is but, whatever I can add, I surely will try.
Do you ever get tired of people asking you for info that was talked about months ago. I followed you all on here for months before I dipped my toes in the water. Sometimes I just wany to scream at the laptop: HEY, done did that months ago! It just seems like everything is out there for the looking. I researched this stuff for months and months. It creeped me out from the very beginning and then along came the Geraldo interview….WOW! Really made me want to know more about this family. The way they all converged on him and his crew…and then they banned him, Geraldo, from like the town. Too weird…..That family is messed up and they all know something about what happened to HaLeigh. I don’t how people like that can sleep nights.
phone,bbr again
boy do I Lucy,Once this woman calls into N/g and asks,how did they get in,omg where do you live,under the sea somewhere? my God,what do ya think the damn brick is for????
me either Lucy,but God it gets so frustrating,today is one of my worst days with it,lol
Anybody watch Nurse Jackie on Showtime?
JenM, Teresa Neves FLAT OUT stated in interviews that Ron called her WHILE Misty was on the phone with 911 at about 3:27, that she was IN her PAJAMAS, she threw on cloths, grabbed her jacket (wow isn’t is just so lucky that the jacket just happened to have a LE emblem on it), and grabbed a photo of Haleigh (hmmmm, now if you are just thinking Haleigh is under the bed, remember she also stated that she looked under the beds that were really just mattress’s flat on the floor, why would you need a photo of Haleigh, did she forget what Haleigh looked like?). And that she went over the speed limit and made it to Ron’s MH from her house that is usually 15 to 20 minutes away in just 5 minutes.
Now lets see you come up with excuses for that load of crap!
I think even bugs bunny could answer that ?
I’ve dealt with all walks of life, professionally, and this family is off the chain. They will back each other up no matter what it is. These kind of people can be scary. I don’t doubt that Misty is afraid to talk. She doesn’t get it, yet. They can’t touch her. If, she would talk, it could set her free, from the fear that is not from jail. Didn’t want you to think I turned into a softy or anything…..LOL
Thats what I don’t get,how can anyone,(not knocking ya jen) lol but anyone at all excuse that? Its as plain as daylight!!!!!
lets not forget she picked a pic That showed both Birthmarks!
I don’t have cable Adams,sob,sob
if i had Tommys ears I wouldn’t have that problem!
if i had Tommys ears I wouldn’t have that problem!
LS: Thank God! Yet, another voice of reason! YEAH! Whoops, IMO!
I couldn’t resist,lol gotta call dtr back,she calls collect and i deny,she don’t have LD? LoL
I know CJ63, from the very first day (remember I live 1 county over and it was on all the local news first), my “hinky” meter went off in spades about TN and Ron!
Has Hope been sent to prison yet! Do they record those visits too?
Cathy
I will email you the link to watch a free episode.
CathyJo63 said,in June 11th, 2010 at 7:27 pm shoot,I’d have been on ole Cobras shoulders if i seen a snake? crazy
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cathy your too much..
imo lADY,SHE BROUGHT THE PIC TO SHOW MISTY AND RON WHAT SHE LOOKED LIKE CAUSE APPARENTLY THEY’D FORGOT AND COULDN’T FIND HER UNDER THE BED EITHER?
imo lADY,SHE BROUGHT THE PIC TO SHOW MISTY AND RON WHAT SHE LOOKED LIKE CAUSE APPARENTLY THEY’D FORGOT AND COULDN’T FIND HER UNDER THE BED EITHER?
oops sorry caps
o wow cool! Adams,lol ty
Well OJ,I would!he had a gun too!
right Lady,they don’t act like normal people for that situation?
I called 911 for an ex b/f and had more compassion,thought his house was on fire but it was his stupid Hibach grill,lol
BTW, I am off work on the 21st, and unless something else comes up I am going to go to Donna Brock’s hearing, LOL. Everything is kept so quiet about her and that is just so strange that I want to be there in person and hear what happens because I don’t think the news stations are going to cover anything about it.
Who cares about the caps, are you ok, you’re stuttering again…………LOL
Under the bed, picture, way out there..Too, Too funny!
LS: So, what’s the gossip down there? Anything at all going on?
yea I am ok,i reckon,again real soon tho,lol
I was stuttering cuz was dialing phone too i guess,lol
you lucky dog Lady!
sorry bbs as i can,Gotta call her back now,lol
stilllucy, no we aren’t hearing anything, so frustrating! Even though I did hear from a friend who works at the Juvie Center that Lindsy didn’t get the job at the Juvie Center because she has misdemeanor’s on her record and she acted really silly in the interview (they do NOT run credit checks like she told Tommy), but that is just “gossip” between friends and I don’t know if it is true or not. Just to clarify – I am repeating gossip that I have no way of verifying, so don’t anyone go saying it is gospel truth, LOL.
Hi Everyone…
Happy Friday… Hugs to Haleigh.. wherever she may be….
That’s plausible. Juvenile Centers have to be more careful about background checks. Ofcourse, her name didn’t help at all. Can you just imagine the influence that would have had on juvenile detainees? What a joke that would’ve been. I understand that it’s just gossip but, plausible.
Didn’t DB say she had tapes hidden? I remember something about they were hidden if anything was to happen to her. You know that LE has probably got search warrants and looked everywhere for those tapes if, they exist.
Good Friday to you too. Pretty quiet around here tonight. Bummer! That’s how it goes when I’m in for the night, everyone else is out….
any speculation when Nancy Grace will have an update on this case? It has really been quiet as of late….
I think NG is a little busy with VanDerSloot for the time being. I’m sure she’ll have one of her bombshells just as quick as AH hears something though!
I don’t think Lindsy should be working around juveniles, she seems to flirt a lot even asking Tommy if his jailmates thought she was hot!
Alex: Agreed. You would think so. She really comes across as very immature for a mother of 3. I think she read too much into having an interview. IMO
oh totally agree with Lindsy comments… she loved talking about her tan and short shorts on her last jail visit. Do either of you know of she is moving ahead with the divorce?
Stilllucy- I get the impression for her that she is the type that can’t be without a man in her life for any period of time!
I hope she doses but I fear she will find someone worse!
are all three of her children Tommy’s? Who do you think watches her kids when she goes to visit Tommy? Last couple of times she has brought Austin with her…
I haven’t heard about the divorce for a few weeks now. If I’m not mistaken, Tommy’s attorney said Lindsey had put it on hold but she didn’t withdraw the divorce. I guess that would put them as legally separated for the time, in more ways than one……..
Alex: She comes across as someone that’s starving for attention. She must not have gotten that at home before Tommy was arrested. He was probably too busy getting high and running around and then all of a sudden, she’s his lifeline. IMO
I think her family won’t watch them if she’s going to see Tommy but I thought Hank Sr said he would babysit!
June 28 they have a meeting on the divorce, it is not on hold. Look under the dockets in Putnam county civil cases its all there. And I believe she stayed with Tommy because he always reassured her of how beautiful she was, and for him she is, he isnt the greatest looking guy. jmo
I am just so curious to see what LE has up its sleeve.. what’s next I wonder?
She’s not visiting or taking his calls, as of the filing. I kinda have a feeling that she got some info from Timmy & Chelsea when on vacation and her family has drawn a line in the sand. She’s too dependent on her family for housing and money to cross that line. IMO
Totally agree, stilllucy!
wow, Chelsea really is loving this so called fame.. in one of her interviews she proceeded to say that she and Timmy are known as the CAP COD COUPLE.. whatev…..
that was hilarious!!!
Tobias: Thnx for the info.
And as she said in the last tape her father is back. He had a job that was given to someone else and he had to come back. So now she has more pressure to cut ties with the Croslins, which may be the best move for her and the kids. Does anyone know if her mothers name is Barbara? If anyone knows it would be helpful.jmo
iltsm- See I don’t get that! Maybe their 15 minutes of fame, but I’d rather have Haleigh back!
Chelsea is also trying to peddle Misty’s letter(s) for a new car….Gotta love that family, so supportive! I guess the Padilla Well ran dry!
tobias said,in June 11th, 2010 at 8:50 pm June 28 they have a meeting on the divorce, it is not on hold. Look under the dockets in Putnam county civil cases its all there. And I believe she stayed with Tommy because he always reassured her of how beautiful she was, and for him she is, he isnt the greatest looking guy. jmo
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Actually I think she stayed b/c Tommy seems to me to be the type who won’t leave you alone!
I don’t particularly care for Lindsey or Tommy but imo thats what it is!
Tobias: Not sure but, CathyJo should be back soon. You know, she’s probably got that info!
Have you guys seen the pic of Tommy,Jo,Timmy,Hank and i believe Austin,they’re all sitting or leaned up against a fence,but gotta tellya,they looked all comfy with Jo in the pic but if I saw Timmy coming toward me even in broad daylight,I’d burn the rubber off my soles getting away!
Have you guys seen the pic of Tommy,Jo,Timmy,Hank and i believe Austin,they’re all sitting or leaned up against a fence,but gotta tellya,they looked all comfy with Jo in the pic but if I saw Timmy coming toward me even in broad daylight,I’d burn the rubber off my soles getting away!
Cathy I know her step mother is named Terri but I dont know her fathers or mothers name. If it is Barbara she was on the testimony papers for the thing in Flagler. Cant go into detail because it upsets some, I just think there is more to that story than meets the eye too. jmo
All 3, are Tommy and Lindsey’s children,
Gotta link or place to see it CJ?
Flagler? Do you have a link? Not poking just very interested. Haven’t heard about it that I can recall……
Cant tell you about it you have to look it up alone, I caught h377 last time I brought it up sorry. jmo
upsets some? well gee,the whole thing upsets me,lol but actually i have forgotten,thought it was Julie,i dunno i forget,never hear much about em,sec ill find it tho
Barbara Collins was on that list with Misty as to testify against J.Miller. I just wondered if this was Lindsys mother?jmo
There is bad blood there way before Haleigh went missing you can tell when Hank and Tommy talk about them. jmo
ahaaaaaa Tobias,yes i believe you’re right????
Where can I see the pic of the guys?
I saw it a sec ago but it only says barbera? can’t find the dad,sec
i have it,resend me an email,u have mine right?
yes.
Tobias: Can you throw me a clue, names, dates for the previously mentioned comment?
There was bad blood there. Lindsey’s family was tired of her putting up with all the crap from Tommy. Wasn’t there a previous claim of abuse against Tommy by Lindsey?
IMO
I know in one interview she said Tommy was a good man and father till he got on drugs?? I do remember Collins,and i saw Barbera somewhere here? sec
i just read it,grrrrrr
but send me an email cuz i deleted you last time as promised Tobias?
You have to look in the Flagler county records.
They all lived there before they came to Satsuma. Just dont want our hosts getting mad at me so I wont go there too much. But I have my own ideas about it. jmo
They rescued the baby!
Cannot find it anywhere,I 1st thought it was Julie but the Barbera sounds more familiar,so i dunno Tobias,
oh,i see,well email to me if ya can Tobias,lol I’ll investigate it!
and shot the guy! It’s breaking right now!
awwww Alex,Thank God!!! Great news!!!!!
omg alex
oh ok,flagler hmmm
Tobias,did they ever find who the woman in scrubs was who delivered the letter to so?
The baby is okay. Someone was on a guerney & placed in an ambulance!
brb nosey granny needs to know,lol
Cathy I sent you an e mail about why , send me the pics of the croslins, if I find the docket again I will e mail it to you, I have to get up at 4 so no time tonight sorry but as soon as I can on Saturday okay.
Prayers are answered, thank god the baby is safe. see ya all on Saturday. Good noght.
Good night, Tobias. Sorry, I’m deep in Flagler Clerk of the Courts records…….
Yes our prayers were answered for little Michael. Now hopefully our prayers for Haleigh will be too!
OMG Cathy that isnt Joe. Timmy is the one on the far right, Hank, Dont know for sure YET who the guy is next and Tommy with a vey young Austin. I would say it was taken at Flagler beach when they lived there. Look how different Hank looks, he is alot younger in this pic. I am going to check on who the unknown guy is I have a guess its who I emailed you about but not sure, those tats will give me a clue though. Tlk tommorrow.jmo
2005 DR 000466 COLLINS, LINDSY K VS. CROSLIN, HANK T JP
File Date 04/06/2005 Case Status CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) Case Status Date 04/27/2005
Case Disposition CLOSED – NON REPORTING Case Disposition Date 04/27/2005
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
COLLINS, LINDSY K PETITIONER PRO SE
CROSLIN, HANK T RESPONDENT
Case Schedule
Date Start Time Event Type Result
04/12/2005 01:00 PM HEARING
Docket Entries
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08/11/2005 NOTICE OF DELINQUENCY
05/03/2005 FILE TO CHILD SUPPORT – RTND 5/9/05
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04/19/2005 ORDER OF DISMISSAL OF INJUNCTION-PET’S REQUEST
04/15/2005 FILE TO JUDGE-KCH – RTND 4/19/05
04/15/2005 MOTION OF PET FOR ORDER DISSOLVING INJ,ETC
04/15/2005 AFFIDAVIT LINDSY COLLINS
04/13/2005 FILE TO CHILD SUPPORT – RTND 4/13/05
04/12/2005 FINAL JUDGMENT OF INJUNCTION-UNTIL 5/1/2006, SUPPORT Pages: 1091-9PGS
04/12/2005 FILE TO JUDGE-JP/RET’D
04/07/2005 RET OF SERV-SRVD–4/6/05, HANK THOMAS CROSLIN, JR.
04/06/2005 TEMP INJ FOR PROT/NOT OF HEARING-APRIL 12, 2005 @ 1PM
04/06/2005 SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT SHEET
04/06/2005 NOTICE OF SOC.SEC.#- – LINDSY K. COLLINS
04/06/2005 FAMILY LAW FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT- – LINDSY K. COLLINS
04/06/2005 UCCJA AFFIDAVIT – LINDSY K. COLLINS
04/06/2005 PETITION FOR INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION
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WOW,I figured it,Tommy and Lindseys problems go way back!
2005 CT 000712 A STATE OF FLORIDA VS. CROSLIN, HANK T
File Date 04/07/2005 Case Status CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) Case Status Date 12/15/2005
Case Disposition CLOSED (CRIMINAL/NONCRIMINAL) Case Disposition Date 12/15/2005
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
CROSLIN, HANK T TOMMY
CROSLIN, HANK T
CROSLIN, HANK T
DEFENDANT MEYER, SCOTT W (386)226-2636
Party Charge(s)
Case Party CROSLIN, HANK T
Count Code Description Disposition Disposition
Date
1 316.192(2)(A) RECKLESS DRIVING -2M GUILTY 06/30/2005
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12/07/2005 C/228, JDG: HON. SHARON ATACK
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CROSLIN, HANK T
CROSLIN, HANK T
DEFENDANT MEYER, SCOTT W (386)226-2636
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When i saved the pic it listed him as Jo,omg lol
I thought Timmy was the tattooed guy??????
No go look at Timmy on his my space tim croslin
He is the one on the far right. jmo
CJ Suspect is dead!
I found all of that. Why would anyone be upset about that being exposed? We already knew about all of that. No different than all of the cases that have been brought here before. Oh well, tread lightly.
It’s not a wonder that her family is upset. I get it…..
I was going through some old video clips pertaining to the case and what not and then happened across these two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ndsXVaPwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pqyX_as3PI&NR=1&feature=fvwp
LOL!
Goodnight everyone 🙂
Lucy,Right,but a second ago we were discussing why Lindsey was divorcing Tommy,and i had said,this tile she went through cuz she knows he can’t bully her,lol thats why and when i saw this it confirmed it for me!
tommy doesn’t look to be the kind of guy who’d just let Lindsey go? lol
Sorry,Tobias,I’m glad i figured it out,well you did,lol and yes,I saw wheat you were telling me about,geeeez
Sorry,Tobias,I’m glad i figured it out,well you did,lol and yes,I saw wheat you were telling me about,geeeez
I get your point, I just don’t understand why anyone here would be upset about someone bringing this info to light. We had heard about their problems before.
Is he Alex,I hate to say it but Gee wizz he deserved it!
I’d like to know what you all are talking about but don’t want to cause trouble either!
If none of you watched 20/20 it was pretty interesting about the Riley Fox abduction/murder where the father was falsely accused of murdering her (Kevin Fox). There were some eerie similarities to this case. LE said it was NOT stranger abduction, and yet it was. The murderer walked in the back door and left out the front with her (hands over her mouth) and put her in the trunk of his car. Kevin falsely confessed but they had DNA (which sat before before being tested). LE was sued civilly and the Foxes got 8 million dollars for the HELL they put this family through (they interrogated the 6 year old son). A very interesting case and thank God Kevin Fox only spent 8 months in jail. The alleged murderer was burglarizing (or attempting to) and walked across the street And into the Fox house. If I am not mistaken he left the Back door open. Sound familiar?
so can i get the croslin boys pic somehow? i know i shouldn’t post my email here but, how else?
Oh,I am sorry Lucy,thats not exactly what Tobias was talking about,I found that while I was there,lol
But like you,I agree,why wouldn’t or shouldn’t it all be exposed??
so what was tobias talking about? why did it upset people?
Robin,I understand!!!!!
But the lies they’ve told is what makes us and le curious? They have done nothing but lie to protect one another and thats obvious!
Going back to an earlier discussion, Guy Sapp is Lindsy Kate Collins Crolins’ grandfather. Is Guy Sapp related to Donald Sapp and therefore, Lindsy related to Regan’s ???
I really can’t say Lucy,you know i would if i could,lol,its just a sensitive subject i take it?????????
Thats what i wondered Cate??
Cate,do you have my email??????
pennyloafer63@gmail.com,send me an email and ill send you and anybody else a pic!
The Fox family had nothing in common with the Hatfields and the McCoys. Totally different lifestyle, no drugs, not telling each other to bewary of the snitches, assisted with the investigation, nothing…..
And we don’t even know if the MH’s back door was opened, left opened, left unlocked, or the lock was picked. The P’sOI and the “key”,according to LE, can’t even keep their stories straight about that. LE stated that the lock had not been tampered with.
IMO no offense intended…….
Well, Cathy Jo, maybe this weekend I’ll have time to work out the family trees… I certainly owe ya’!
Noooooooo,don’t owe me nothing,I don’t keep score,just like doing it,lol
It almost makes me cry to see Misty hold that little baby and just the look in her eys,oman!
Amen to that one Lucy!
Lucy,at this point if i were in their families,I’d deserve to be talked about!!!!!!
I can’t wait tto get the info tho!!!!!
imo Lucy,thats why we have never heard about Rons ld,work….etc……..nor TN’s??
CJ-omg,the other e-mails I sent didnt have the 63 so some other pennyloafer must be wondering what kind of nut I am!
rofl,that’ll do it,i do it myself,lol
Lucy,send me your email if you want to,Ill send ya sommin!
Thanks for the pics CJ!
CJ: Done
Thanks for the pics CJ!
No the Foxes were nothing like what we are dealing with here, but yet Kevin Fox was accused of murdering Riley and he falsely confessed. LE sounds just like what we have here and they would not listen to any evidence that would exonerate Kevin. They even interrogated the son and tried to get him to say bad things about Kevin. The Fox murder was a stranger abduction even when LE said it wasn’t. I don’t care if these people lie until the cows come home, it still don’t make them murderers. I don’t know what kind of interrogations these people faced, but I can guarantee there was intense pressure that could cause someone to make up something LE wants to hear. We might not understand why people lie when they really know nothing or is not responsible for a crime, but it happens all the time. JMO
lol Cate,put mine together when you’re done,i never could,
between my adoption and my husbands never knowing his dad,its hard for my dtr and grandson to know alot of their history? let alone us never knowing either! Crazy!
CJ: Done…..
It’s almost as though LE is pressuring everyone around them to get something against them. I’m sure that LE has worked through the muck and just trying to fine tune the investigation. If Misty, doesn’t have anything to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance, the most she could be charged with is withholding info. That’s just a misdemeanor. She needs to talk, she’s really starting to pizzzzzzzz me off.
robin said,in June 11th, 2010 at 10:50 pm No the Foxes were nothing like what we are dealing with here, but yet Kevin Fox was accused of murdering Riley and he falsely confessed. LE sounds just like what we have here and they would not listen to any evidence that would exonerate Kevin. They even interrogated the son and tried to get him to say bad things about Kevin. The Fox murder was a stranger abduction even when LE said it wasn’t. I don’t care if these people lie until the cows come home, it still don’t make them murderers. I don’t know what kind of interrogations these people faced, but I can guarantee there was intense pressure that could cause someone to make up something LE wants to hear. We might not understand why people lie when they really know nothing or is not responsible for a crime, but it happens all the time. JMO
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this is why TORTURE doesn’t work..the tortured say what the torturers want to hear..
Always the possibility that Misty HAS talked and LE wants to hear something else— needs to divert attention away from Johnny Marty Sheffield masterminding something. Although I hate to give him (J/M Sheffield) too much credit!!
CJ63, I’ll get to the roots of your family tree, if you like! It’s so much fun for me. A few cells from this cheek and that and — no, old fashioned way is cheaper.
LE has blundered thru this investigation like a bull in a china shop..they have squeezed blood out of a rock and FORCED misty to say her dreams and imaginings are fact..
LE couldn’t find their own arses with a road map! Clean your own house hardy!!
Maybe your meth head drug TRAFFICING son took haleigh!
Why was Haleighs pink shirt she was wearing (per Misty) with the
laundry pile?
Just wondering if there was “pee” on it too. Like the blanket Misty said she washed.
Robin,I do agree with alot of what you said and especially that they were basically forced to give answers they didn’t have!!!!! imo
IMO Mary,because the man in black brought in back home while she was at the interrogation thingy? jmo
Some people confess to things they didn’t do without even being contacted by LE! I don’t know why they would do this but it happens.
In the Elizabeth Smart case they thought it was Richard Ricci and when he died they thought that was the end of leads but then Elizabeth’s sister remembered something that broke the case. The voice she heard was a homeless man named Emmanual (Brian Mitchell). I think Misty is under enormous stress and when she calms down and feels safe she’ll remember what happened!
Wouldn’t know where to start Cate really i wouldn’t,lol
I have tried but when you never get the truth its just impossible!
Only thing i know for certain is,I was a female,lol dunno about now but i used to be one of em’lol
I do believe Misty now,and even she said she don’t know what happened but she blurted out to Hank,I don’t know if that was Jo or not that night”
That just slipped off her tongue and she said she was trying to put it together in her own mind b/c le kept telling her things…….jmo
but like i said,”The man in black was her b/f” at the time,she just didn’t know it but now may be thinking it! jmo
Alex,exactly,she said also the le told her she was 90% on but 10% off,so that means she didn’t fail miserably,I think she lied to protect ron! jmo
Thanks for responding CJ.
Now I’m thinking out loud.
If Tommy didn’t have access to a car that night he couldn’t have helped Misty dispose of “H” unless he called someone with a car to help him. That would have to be Joe or Timmy, i suppose. Or he would have had to use whatever Lyndsy was driving when she got back from school.
Sorry, I’m going back to square one again.
Trying to figure if anyone can be ruled out or ruled in.
Again!
Goodnight all, I have 4am shift with mom tomorrow!
right,I do that too Mary and always hit a brick wall except when it comes to ron????
gnite Alex!!!!!
when the truth don’t work and gets ya nowhere,then you probably feel like you gotta say something to help yourself,just like Tommy said before to get outta jail,
he went and knocked on the door and that got him freedom?
I just don’t buy it,If my daughter went missing,you can betcha that out of all the suspects even if theres 200 of them I will be the one who tells the honest Gods truth to help find her and if I don’t then the public can say I was not cooperating for a reason,now how can anybody say different,
I believed in ron at first,i really did,defended him tooth and nail but when he does nothing but protect the last one who had Haleigh? theres a reason for it!
Why is it so hard to believe after all the docs,videos,and what we have seen and heard,drugs,sex offenders,domestic violence,non support,you name it,lies to no end and this is above ronald,lol how???????
If Misty was say “half asleep” when whatever went down, I wonder how that would effect her LDT?
If she wasn’t really sure what she saw, I suppose that could come across as lying on the test.
You know when you wake someone out of a deep sleep and they look at you all dazed and doofy. What if that was her state of mind?
we don’t know this much about sex offenders and are ready to hang em on sight,how is ron different?
CathyJo63 said,in June 11th, 2010 at 11:16 pm Only thing i know for certain is,I was a female,lol dunno about now but i used to be one of em’lol
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ur one hundred percent WOMAN cathy!
right,imo Mary,what happened was he came in,turned the light on,he knew her habits,how she slept sound or not and all that,I think she maybe woke up by his presence in the room or maybe on his way out something woke her up b/c even in the voiceA tape He says to Misty,”i can see theres something you’re not telling me”,he never said she flat out lied,and again he said why do i detect doubt when i asked you if ron would harm Haleigh I can see you’re not truthful,its b/c she knew he’d abused her no doubt before!
thats why imo Misty is lying but only to protect ron!
oh,so women have Adams apples,lmao!
right Mary,thats what i think,she knew what happened after she woke up but just not before,and remember too”she said the brick wasn’t there when i was sleeping” ??????????
mARY,i CAN’T WAIT TO GET RONALDS RESULTS!
Hey Cat, and everyone!
I think also Misty shows deception because she dosen’t know the whole scope of HaLeighs dissaperance, I think the only ones that know everything are Ron and TN
gmta cHAKRA,JUST SAID A BIT AGO,IMO THEY’RE THE ONLY 2 WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED!
CJ: That makes alot of sense.
Got the clue, thanks. Still makes no sense. We’ve talked about that posibility with MC before. What difference does it make who it was, I just don’t believe that it ever happened to her. I think she’s always been so wild, she says things that aren’t truthful to stay out of trouble. Wasn’t she living with Chelsea and Timmy by that time?
I’ll catch up with you tomorrow. Gotta crash.
Softball @ 8am and it’s nearly 1 now…Damn, I did it again…….Night.
CJ & Chakra
But if Ron came in while Misty was asleep. Why would he take or hurt Haleigh? that part I just don’t get.
yep absolutly, sorry missed it trying to read and catch up LOL, but I was looking the other day at Mistys voice analysis results and thats exactly how I read it to
maryd- maybe she was out , not asleep ??
You know, all along I have been thinking that Misty was flat out lying with the “it was Joe at the door with HaLeigh…” But reading maryd’s comment “You know when you wake someone out of a deep sleep and they look at you all dazed and doofy,” reminds me of a time when I was much older than Misty, about 33-yrs-old, but still a very deep sleeper, and our home alarm system went off. In this “doofy” state I went to the window that looked out to our backyard and “saw” a man standing at the side of the driver’s seat of our car with the door wide open. It is a very vivid image to me, even to this day. It was 12 years ago, at least, still vivid and stable, and it is totally and completely false.
You all were talking about Misty having dissociative disorder of some sort and there is no doubt that she has had plenty of experiences in her life to precipitate post-traumatic stress.
But I don’t want to get too hung up on defending Misty, either. Ronald has plenty of PTS as well, only it comes out as the ugly antisocial personality disorder. He deserves a similar sort of sympathy, but neither one of them, Misty or Ron, or TN for that matter, can be left completely off-the-hook. Society would unravel and dissolve if we allowed it.
Mary,imo only……ron is obsessed with Misty,he even told Cobra he loved her and no half hour f$%# meant nothing?
He promised Misty the babysitting would get easier,he was in danger of losing custody…imo for truancy and ron is the type who’d never ever be the parent who lost custody?
He’s always saying he’s the best parent…….ya know!
and imo he knew too that Jr. would not be taken because hewasn’t a good daddy,but b/c Haleigh went missing,he is one psychotic dude,i’d bank on it,even AS said he couldn’t bond or get close to anybody!
he even told Cobra jr would be with his daddy till he died or they’d both go just like that?? the gator thing?
right Lucy,she never had anybody who gave a crap!!!!!!!!!!!
Misty Cummings
Cummings and the two children were living together when he met Croslin in 2008.
Sykes’ first impression of the petite teen came from the children.
“The kids adored her and she seemed to adore them back,” Sykes said. “I mean they’d cry to go back to her.”
Sykes said she saw another side of her grandson’s girlfriend in the months after Haleigh vanished, when Cummings, Croslin and Ronald Jr. moved in with her.
“You can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
“When the sheriff’s department was threatening her and doing all their doings and stuff, it didn’t faze her,” she said.
Sykes said Croslin’s childhood may have dulled her emotionally.
“She basically was here, there and yonder,” Sykes said. “I don’t reckon she knew from one day to the next where she was going to be.”
Croslin was born in Michigan, but the family of five moved to where her father, Hank Croslin Sr., could find drywall work, her parents said. They spent time in Tennessee, her mother’s home state, and Colorado before moving to Florida.
When their daughter was in the sixth grade, they were living in Flagler County.
“I’d send her to the bus stop,” her mother, Lisa Croslin, said. “She’d never get on the bus. If it was a day she wanted to go, she’d go. If it was a day she didn’t want to go, she would hide.”
“She can’t read,” her father said. “She was behind in class just like all of us.”
Reading disabilities run in the family, he said.
“I can’t read at all,” he said.
At about 15, Misty bought a bus ticket under a false name and moved to New Jersey with a boyfriend. After several months and with the help of a social worker, she was found and brought home.
About that time, the Croslins moved to Putnam.
Her father said she began hanging out with Kristina “Nay Nay” Prevatt and Amber Brooks, who is the mother of Cummings’ other son.
Both Prevatt and Brooks have drug arrest histories. The weekend before Haleigh disappeared, Misty was with Prevatt. “That’s where all the trouble started, hanging around Nay Nay and Amber,” her father said.
He said he couldn’t convince her to distance herself from the new crowd. Misty was more trouble than the Croslins’ two sons, he said.
“She was the wildest one,” he said. “She was.”
On Feb. 9, the night after Croslin returned to Cummings’ mobile home from the weekend of partying, Sykes dropped by. She said she was upset that Croslin had gone off and left her grandson without anyone to watch over the two kids.
“I was mad because Ronald let her come back,” she said. “But it’s his house. There wasn’t nothing I could do about it other than be mad.”
By the next morning, Haleigh was gone.
Cate- I think you have a great point , about Misty and I know some pills , when comeing down from them can cause some type of confusion or hallucinations
yes Cate,he does but he was Haleighs daddy!! jmo he should have protected her! Misty was just a g/f at the time,ya know?
just a sec,find sommin
CathyJo, I wonder if Ron deliberately killed HaLeigh because Marie suspected that she was being sexually abused. No comment on who was abusing her but you outlined perfectly what I think Ron’s reaction would be to that threat. “I love her but I’ll kill her before being accused of that, or allowing that.”
Jr. being with his daddy ’til he died, that was in reference to his Jr. tatoo, right?
I tend to agree with this!!!!!!
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Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin and Little Haleigh
Many, many, many of you have asked me to review the case of missing Haleigh Cummings. She went missing last Monday night from her home, and hasn’t been seen or found since. Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, tell us that Croslin put Haleigh to sleep, later went to sleep herself, and when she woke up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, she found the kitchen light on, Haleigh was gone, and the back door was wide open, propped by a brick.
When I watch Cummings and Croslin speak, many things jump out at me. They are so numerous, I don’t have the space here to write them all out, but I will identify a few things I’ve noted:
When I first saw Ronald Cummings crying in his first plea for his daughter, several things jumped out at me. His crying episode was eerily reminiscent of a child’s cry. Most adults don’t cry like children. He whined, and acted out of breath, yet he wasn’t. It was notable and perplexing.
Yet he did sound truly congested; however, no tears fell from his face. Later on, however, he did cry very genuine and sincere tears, and the pouting cry notably changes into a regular cry. I find his behavior inconsistent here, and I can’t explain it. Is he under the influence of something? He seems really glassy-eyed.
I am also immediately struck by how he portrays no composure of hope in this interview. He seems to have zero hope that his daughter could still be alive. Why isn’t he hanging onto the fact that if he and others get out there, they can potentially find her? This disturbs me.
Why isn’t he talking to his daughter on camera? “Haleigh, I’m here for you, if you are watching this. I’m going to find you.” Does he even think about her being out there, and watching the news? Why isn’t he thinking about being strong for her?
When I see this interview, it seems to be more about Cummings being devastated than finding Haleigh. It’s like he is feeling sorry for himself. Why? This is odd. Haleigh’s mom, ironically, does talk to her daughter on camera, as I would expect any parent would, if they feared their daughter was kidnapped. She says, “Everybody’s here for you. If you’re watching these, your momma misses you, daddy misses you … your whole family misses you and we will bring you home” (source).
At time marker 1:15, Cummings drops down to the ground crying. This is so unusual for an adult to do. Children do this, but how many adults have you seen do this? Especially when the news is not conclusively devastating yet? How come everyone else who loved Haleigh is so composed and acting “normally”, but Cummings is not? Here his cry is very shallow. It’s not believable for me. If I re-look at this with the angle that Cummings could befeeling sorry for himself, it makes more sense.
He says, “I know somebody took my little girl…some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it’s all over.” This is baffling to me. Haleigh was once found floating in a nearby waterway and nearly drowned, so how could he so conclusively rule this out? How can he so confidently rule out that Haleigh didn’t wander away, that he didn’t lock the door as he thought he did, that when Croslin’s relatives came to visit earlier that night, that they didn’t unlock another door or open a window when he was away?
Would you as a parent be so certain about this, especially since you know your daughter wandered away before? This bothers me.
At one point, Cummings says, “All I want is my children…All I want is my child back.” I thought this was very unusual. Another day, he talks about how others are making this situation all about a custody issue. That was really strange, but if we pair that, with this statement above, you have to wonder, is he afraid he won’t have either of his children, perhaps, due to something he has done here? Then this strange slip might actually make sense, wouldn’t it?
Then he says something that unnerved me in a huge way. Cummings says, “I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”
What? Why is he saying this? It makes no sense. Is that why his cry is so confusing? Does he fake concern and worry, and then really cry over what he may know already happened to his daughter? You would think he would have said instead, “I’d give my life for my child back”, but that is NOT what he says. Does this indicate that he believes his daughter is not alive? Is that why he thought earlier, “All I want is my children…” because he fears if the truth comes out, he will lose them, or at least his remaining son?
It’s troubling, to say the least.
Notice how Cummings reiterates that he is trying to do the best he can, that someone stole his child while he was at work? Is he building an alibi? Setting a timeline? Why isn’t he focusing his energy on getting Haleigh back instead of feeling sorry for himself? Most parents of missing children are focused on getting their children, and don’t care at all about themselves, but Cummings is notably different. Most parents know they have to be strong for their children, and work to bring them home. Why not Cummings?
The reporter then asks, “Can I ask when you noticed the back door was open, and if that was what kind of alerted you to something?” Just before the reporter asks Cummings this, he is crying, sobbing and somber. Then listen to Cummings’ response to the question. His demeanor and voice change dramatically. It’s very notable and very alarming for me. You don’t stop crying and change your entire demeanor when you are deeply sobbing and in pain like Cummings wants us to believe he is. You just don’t do it, yet oddly Cummings does. Cummings says in an angry, deep and controlled tone, “No. My girlfriend was awake at 3 o’clock in the morning when I got off of work.” When he says this, there is a deep anger in Cummings’ voice that appears out of nowhere. It’s chilling. Clearly, this question got Cummings angry. Why would that be?
Later in the interview, Cummings says very strangely and out of nowhere, when he deeply sobs, “I do plan to take the trash out when it is time.” This blindsides you. It’s not related to anything being said at the time. It’s like Cummings is in his own world. I am sure like most people, at first you think, what is he talking about?? It’s absolutely perplexing.
But when I watch him say it and watch his emotions, he shows pure destitution in his face. Like someone sold his soul. It’s absolutely haunting. I can’t help but wonder, is this some type of warning he is contemplating suicide “when it is time”? Perhaps, if he were to get caught?
What else could this statement mean? Is he warning us? Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional? Also, just after he says it, and thinks about it, he also shows true distress and sadness on his face. It’s alarming and notable. But when the reporter asks the next question, all of these genuine emotions fade away again.
The reporter asks, what would you say to people who may have information out there? Notice Cummings doesn’t even think to talk to his daughter again. Why?
Both Cummings and Croslin’s body language in all the videos I see displays a sense of defeat. They are hunched over. Their shoulders come forward. They physically look down, and act subdued. It appears they have no hope whatsoever, again and again, that Cummings’ daughter will be returned to them. This strikes me as very odd. Why aren’t they tense, nervous and anxious to find her? That would be normal. They should be on edge that things might not happen fast enough, yet there is no urgency with these two. Anyone can spot that? Why aren’t these two on a mission to find Haleigh? Compare their behavior to that of George and Cindy Anthony. It’s notably different.
News reports say that on the 911 call, Cummings was in a rage, and really worried about his daughter. I don’t hear that in the call at all. I don’t hear any indication of fear, stress or true and genuine alarm. I hear feigned anger, by his threats and choice of words.
Why did Croslin wait 30 minutes from waking up and finding Haleigh missing to alert someone of the possible abduction? Why didn’t she summon for help earlier? Especially since she knows Haleigh once wandered off and nearly drowned before?
What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of a room full of people? Let’s say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn’t open it, and couldn’t reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?
What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.
I also haven’t seen Cummings or Croslin participate in any searches reported by any news agencies. Have I missed this? I have looked for it several times. Has anyone seen them help in the search? Post fliers, or go look for her themselves? If they haven’t, why aren’t they?
Cummings and Croslin have told two different stories of where Haleigh slept that night. This is interesting. You would think their stories would be the same. Cummings told Nancy Grace that Croslin slept in the same bed as the children on February 11. Then on February 12, Croslin says that Haleigh was in a different bed in the same room. Why aren’t they getting their facts right?
Worse, when they are both on Greta van Susteren’s show, Greta asks, “How far was Haleigh physically from you, Misty?” Croslin says, “Probably, like, not three or four inches away.” Look at Cummings’ eyes when Croslin talks. They are plastered towards Croslin though he doesn’t turn his head. It’s very controlling behavior. He is fascinating to watch.
Greta then asks Croslin how far they were apart a second time, and at that time, Cummings shakes his head in a side-to-side motion, indicating he is thinking “no”. With that, Croslin backtracks and says, “No, um, I’m not sure. It wasn’t that far away.” Next, as Greta is talking again getting ready to ask another question, Cummings is trying to coach Croslin, and tell her what to say! I can’t hear what he is saying, but why does he feel the need to do this? Cummings then says, “No, I know where the beds were at. They were about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.”
These two can’t even agree where the beds were placed in this room! Forget about who slept in what bed. This is a huge inconsistency. Clearly, both are capable of describing how far two beds are apart, but if the facts aren’t true, we wouldn’t be surprised to see such a discrepancy, would we?
Earlier on the Greta show, Greta asks Croslin who was closest to the back door: Haleigh or Croslin? Look how long it takes Croslin to answer that. She makes an “Hmmm…I don’t know” expression. Why doesn’t she know? She should spout the answer off without thought, but she doesn’t. She finally answers and when she does, under his breath, Cummings says, “I’d like to comment.” He doesn’t say what is on his mind because Greta didn’t hear him, but it shows he is controlling nonetheless, over and over.
Also in the Greta interview, Cummings says to Croslin, “Look at the camera” at one point. He gives us every indication he has a temper, and is very controlling and manipulative. Cummings also nods his head when hears what Croslin says at points in the interview, as if he approves. He is scrutinizing her every word, and Croslin knows it.
Croslin also keeps saying the same story over and over again. She says something to the effect that she got up, went to the bathroom, found the kitchen light on, and then she went back and found Haleigh was gone. She always finishes it with “That’s all I know.” I find her memory of that event is quite sparse and lacking. You would think she would remember more detail. When we recollect a story, oftentimes, we remember different details, or thoughts–things we were thinking at the time. Yet Croslin seems to have no “thinking memories” of her experience. It is more like she is talking from rote memory. She only repeats the same thing over and over again.
The same is true for her 911 call. The details are sketchy at best. Her memories don’t flow logically. It doesn’t make sense.
911: “911, what’s your emergency”
Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…we just woke up…and our back door was wide open, and we can’t find our daughter.”
We just woke up?
911: “OK, when did you last see her?”
Misty Croslin: “Um, we like just…you know…it was about 10 o’clock… we were…she was sleeping- I …she?…cleaning…
Why doesn’t she have normal recollections here?
I so hope I am wrong for Haleigh’s sake. It doesn’t look good from where I am sitting now.
OK, one more post……Misty tried to get TN to keep the kids that night. Her and Ron had gotten into an altercation, he beat her azz, before she left on her binge and she had returned the key to the MH. Misty wasn’t over the fight that her and Ron had, she left that night. Left the kids and went out. She doesn’t want to admit this to anyone, LE included, afraid she’ll be charged. Ron snuck out with TN’s help and all hell broke loose when he got there and no Misty. He’s not telling her and she thinks she’s not telling him. TN knows and protects him. Hence, the non-emergency call to the cops near Tommy’s, they were probably just hanging out and got loud @ 2am. The cop responded to the disturbance and everyone split. Misty went back to the mh, screeching and loud vehicle at the residence, and HaLeigh was gone…….She thinks she’s keeping something from Ron but, actually he’s keeping something from her. She can’t pass a polygraph or any other kind of test for that matter. And all the while, Ron’s in the clear because there’s no way in hell that his mother is going to talk. After all, the kids should’ve been with her that night.
It may be fuzzy, it’s late, but that’s where my mind is going on HaLeigh’s disappearance.
All only how I’m believing things transpired. Ron was out of control and his daughter was probably still awake when he strolled in and flipped out.
I also feel that he, custodian of the kids, probably drugged them often. How else can you explain JR sleeping so much? Really weird behavior for a young boy/child……
IMO
Cathy Jo, Oh, yes, Ronald should have truly protected HaLeigh, no matter what happened to him, Ronald, throughout his life. It is just that I am realizing that it is easy for me to be sympathetic to Misty and hard on Ronald. At the end of the day, no matter what happened to either one of them, they have to get off of themselves and on to others!!
Bingo Cate!!!!!!
dunno why but also something that bothers me is that Ron said he went to pick Haleigh up that day and she rode home in his lap?
something about that aggravates me,seems simple but I wonder,did someone see her in his lap?
I hate to even think it but Haleigh was now old enough to tell things and it ain’t no secret that he likes young girls!
Why did Misty wash the blankets? Do we even know she didn’t find out something when she came home from her wild weekend?
Cate
I was thinking along those same lines as you with possible molestation. Could Haleigh have said something to Misty that night? Did Misty tell Ronald what she said on the 8:30pm phone call?
I hate to accuse someone of something that there is no proof of, but, I’ve heard more molestation stories than I care to think about. It happens way too often.
right Cate,I understand exactly what you’re saying and i guess i just realize Misty was a kid herself,Ron was older!
Marie accused it,but i trust marie as far as i do any of them! not from here to my kb!
Stilllucy, Jr sleeping so much? Haven’t heard about this, he slept/sleeps more than a typical boy his age?
When I was a kid my mother told me not to sit on my father’s friends laps. Strange as it is I kind of knew what she was implying.
Friday, April 16, 2010
Criminal Profiling Topic of the Day: Ronald Cummings, the Mastermind
Finally, Ronald’s involvement in Haleigh Cummings death becomes clear and we have Misty, Tommy, and the cinder blocks in the river to thank for it.
Here is why:
Misty and Tommy both know that Haleigh was tied to a cinder block and tossed in the river. The fact the cinder blocks undoubtedly came from Cummings yard means the crime went down in his house and nowhere else. The claim that Misty’s cousin, Joe Overstreet, kidnapped Haleigh from the house because he wasn’t able to steal Ronald’s gun is a lie because no one is going to drive away with a child, kill her, and then return to the house the child was kidnapped from to borrow a cinder block to sink her in the river with.
So, the death of Haleigh occurred in Ronald Cumming’s house.
The idea that another cinder block was used to prop the door open to facilitate carrying out a dead child is also preposterous. Many a parent has carried a sleeping child in or out of their house without needing to use a doorstop to keep the entryway open. And considering there were two (yes, two – Misty and Tommy), I am sure one (Misty) could hold the door open for her brother.
So, when was the cinder block placed on the ramp to hold the door open? As Nancy Grace would say, BOMBSHELL TONIGHT! Ronald Cummings most likely placed it there AFTER he arrived home. Why was it placed there? To stage a stranger abduction.
So what exactly happened that evening? Here is my theory.
Something happened to Haleigh just before or in the early evening after Ronald went to work. The most likely possibility is Haleigh ingested Ronald’s drugs and sometime just before 8:30 PM, Haleigh died. I believe she convulsed and vomited on her blanket before she died.
At 8:30 PM, it is reported Ronnie and Misty had an argument. He stepped outside of his work building to handle the call. Then Misty turned her phone off resulting in Ronald calling her phone repeatedly from then on. Then, supposedly he called Tommy in desperation to go check on her and Tommy drives over, knocks on the door, but Misty doesn’t answer.
What is wrong with this picture? Ronald has a bitter argument with the woman watching his children, he can’t get through to her, he gets so worried that he calls her brother to go check on her and the kids, the brother finds the house dark, and Ronnie STAYS AT WORK until 3 AM and then stops at a convenience store on the way home to buy beer, snacks, and cigarettes.
Rubbish! Here is a far most logical scenario. The heated discussion between Ronald and Misty at 8:30 was Misty telling him Haleigh is dead. He is cussing and freaking out, trying to figure out what to do. He doesn’t want to call the police because HIS drugs probably killed Haleigh. He comes up with a plan.
“We have to get rid of Haleigh’s body. We need to be sure it can’t be found and analyzed for drugs. We will dump her in the river with a heavy brick and then the alligators will take care of her. You get that blanket in the wash because we don’t want to explain the vomit and we can’t have that vomit analyzed for drugs. Turn off your phone. I can’t have you talking to anybody until I get there. I will call your brother and he is going to help you get rid of the body. ”
So, he calls Tommy who goes over and takes Haleigh’s body and dumps it in the river.
Ronald finishes his shift so he keeps his alibi solid, stops at the convenience store so he can be seen on camera with the time recorded. He arrives at the house twenty-five minutes later. One glaring error made was Misty saying she got up at 3 AM and finding Haleigh gone and the door propped open, she is neither scared enough nor concerned enough about getting a search started to call 911 or even Ronald. But, of course, Ronald doesn’t want her to talk to 911 until he is in the room and makes sure she has the story straight.
Ronald comes in the house, gets a cinder block, props the door open. He tells Misty to make the phone call to 911 and while she does, he can scan the room to make sure nothing is out of place that could get them in trouble.
Misty gives 911 the scenario Ronald coached her on and Ronald spends his time acting upset and stressing he was at work and just arrived home and that his bitch of a girlfriend “got his daughter stole”.
Neither Misty or Ronald ever search for Haleigh, or tell the operator or the police that they think a child sex predator got her or that some creep they know might have kidnapped Haleigh. I guess they didn’t think that far ahead.
Ronald Cummings is a controlling, lying psychopath who knows exactly what happened to his daughter. I hope the police figure this out.
Note: This scenario is a hypothesis based only on information publicly obtained with no access to police files. The words in quotes are a theoretical conversation. My opinion does not imply Ronald Cummings is criminal guilty of crimes associated with the Haleigh Cummings case as only a court can convict him of this. This scenario also does not attempt to address every possible suspect and every piece of evidence as this is not a full analysis of the case.
right Mary!!!!
CathyJo63 said,
in June 11th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
oh,so women have Adams apples,lmao!
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Funny… that is part of a project of mines…. Adams’ Apple… since you have mentioned those two words… I shall keep the title!
Ya know how parents will say,go give your uncle a hug or something? Not me,I always felt if my daughter wanted to hug them she would,But i would certainly never force her too,just for that reason…….that nobody knows anybody for certain! ya know!
The one you tell them to hug could be abusing them!
ah,LoL Adam’s Neat!!!!!!
It’s a sad world when the only answer to the question”have you been molested” is yes and I don’t know! Sad Sad world!
I recognize that post as Pat Brown’s analysis of the situation. ITA, except that, I hesitate to say it, but I still haven’t ruled out the maternal family putting her in hiding. I don’t think TH is the nut job that so many think he is; if it wasn’t J/M S at the helm, then it was Ronald. For me, there are only two possibilities. PCSO is either dirty, or on to Ron.
But wait, an unanswered question, how DID RC get all those drug charges dropped? TN did not work for the jurisdiction in which he was charged, so what leverage did he have?
right Cate!!!!!!!
IMO someone dirty helped him!
and even Cobras transcripts its almost obvious who that was…….jmo
imo thats how all the mistakes were made! in the beginning!
OK, I am not as smart and observant as you, who/what is the dirty that helped Ron avoid all those drug charges? Obvious to many, not me 🙁
Sunday, May 09, 2010
Ronald Cummings to Be Arrested
I am as sick of “Bombshell Tonite!” language as anyone. Although this word is used nightly, I think one is actually going to fall, and I think it is going to fall soon and weigh in with a prediction:
Will this be the bombshell that explodes before the drug trafficking sentencing of Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings, and Tommy Croslin?
I think so. We can thank prosecutors and a judge who put Hope Sykes behind bars for 15 years for bringing this to a conclusion.
Let’s take another look at Ronald Cummings; beginning with what we do know, based upon Statement Analysis, or by profiling, and/or by news reports that have not been disproved, and in some cases, have gone unchallenged. We seek to put some pieces of a puzzle together.
The pieces of the puzzle are beginning to come together. The sentencing of Hope Sykes is the key.
1. Ronald Cummings is a druggie. We have the video evidence which showed what we have all known since the beginning when Geraldo was unable to interview the zombies in Satsuma due to drug addiction. No surprise here. What does surprise me, however, is the willingness of those, including Nancy Grace, to ignore the ‘not difficult to do’ profiling of an addict.
When I saw Ronald Cummings appear in court, I almost did not recognize him. His weight gain was stunning. Weight gain on jail food? Tommy, on video, said that his own weight gain in jail was due to being off drugs.
If Ronald was using narcotics (opiates) we know that long term usage creates tolerance; where the body needs more to have the same analgesic impact. Higher dosage means reduced testosterone (lower sex drive, weight gain). Lower testosterone leads to weight gain, especially for a man in his stomach. With lower testosterone, Ronald did not gain weight until jail time. The opiate abuse was so acute that he wasn’t eating.
Have you ever had an opiate? Likely when you went to the dentist. When you took it, it wiped you out, and you were high, dizzy, and sleepy. About the last thing you would feel (if you did not use long term) was energy.
Not so for the addict.
With long term opiate abuse, the body relies so heavily upon the opiate that without it, there is no energy. When someone who has used as much as Ronald Cummings has takes his opiates, he has energy. He feels good. In 4-6 hours, the effects quickly dissipate, and withdrawal begins. This is a very dangerous time for children of addicts. While high, the heroin mommy is cooking, cleaning, and affectionate. When she comes down, the monster of irritability begins to show. She sneezes, is sleepy, achy, and the cravings begin.
Ronald gained weigh on jail food because his drug habit was long term and acute.
Teresa Nieves said that he only sold “to get close to Misty to find out what happened to Haleigh”. This is the lie, not of a mother in denial, but of an addict.
Teresa is also an addict who did not raise Ronald due to her addiction. She was cleaned up for the Nancy Grace show, but she is an addict and I believe she knows more about the killing of her grandchild than she has let on. More about this later. Ronald is an acute addict; long term, and it appears that he got the job he did in order to satisfy DCF to keep his two children. When DCF investigated (repeatedly) they sought a family member to take the children and could not find anyone who could pass a drug test, for had they, they would have placed the children with them. They could not. Ron did the bare minimum to get them off his back.
Ever hear of a celebration test?
It’s when the parent knows a drug test is coming, cleans up (buprenorphine) for a few days, and then flushes for days on end. When the test is passed, they go out and celebrate.
The morning after the passed test is always a great time to re-test.
2. Ronald is a violent man.
“How you let my daughter, get stole, bitch?” is the language of domestic violence. Haleigh’s biological mother was terrified of him, as, it appears, was Tommy (a beheaded rat would scare anyone), Ron’s other ex, and likely Teresa, his mother. Ronald has rage built up inside of him for the many years of abuse and neglect he suffered before being removed from his mother. We have a violent, drugged embittered man on our hands.
3. With drug sales comes bad people. The moment someone takes a prescription and sells a single pill, they have put their children in jeopardy. Addicts want more. Addicts don’t ask for receipts. Addicts want more. Addicts may want a refund. Now, the children are at risk for the violent drug users who come in and out of the home to buy pills. I’m willing to bet that Teresa has sold her share, as has Hank Sr. Grammie Hollars (she appeared under the influence on the Nancy Grace show, even as the “experts” were praising her “courage. Ronald needed guns, why?
4. Nay Nay, close to the family, described Ronald as backhanding, and beating the shit out of junior. Nay Nay may have zero credibility but I’ve met many fathers who beat their kids and Ronald walks, talks, acts, and smirks like them all. Crystal reported it as well. DCF was involved for a reason and had to draw up a contract which Ronald agreed to “only” hit on the behind. There is a reason why DCF needed him to put this in writing: so that it could be showed to a judge on the next DCF investigation where they attempt to save the children from this monster. Too late.
5. 911 Call.
We have already seen that the 911 call is deceptive. (see previous analysis)
Why would Misty need to be deceptive to report a missing child? This is obvious: because Misty is involved. No question.
But why did Misty wait until Ron got home to make that call?
If you read the transcripts, it appears that Ronald coached her with her story.
Even though Ronald knew Misty was drugging for days and couldn’t watch the kids adequately, (he tried to get Teresa to watch them but she refused….Misty said she even offered money to Teresa but she wouldn’t watch them even though she knew the impact of drugs…want to interpret those tears on the Nancy Grace show with Teresa in her makeover?) they had a fight at 8:30PM and Ronald called her more than 20 times, and said he sent Tommy over to check on them, Ronald STILL had the wherewithal to stop off at the local Stop and Rob to pick up some beer and peanuts. Now that’s a caring father!
Then we have the cinder blocks.
Have you ever carried a sleeping 5 year old? How about a very tiny sleeping 5 year old? You don’t need to use a heavy cinder block to open the door.
Misty mentioned the cinder block in her account (see analysis) because that is exactly what she was picturing in her mind as she spoke:
Haleigh’s long curly hair as she is tied to a cinder block and carried out the door, to be thrown into the river.
Ronald knew all along. I think Ronald Cummings put the cinder block in the door to stage a kidnapping? (a “stole”)
You don’t think so?
1. He coached her on the 911 call. She needed coaching, why?? Look at Misty being interviewed elsewhere, as she looks to Ronald as to what to answer. Look at the analysis again: WHY is a question such as “how tall is she?” sensitive? Why would Misty need to stall to answer, cover the phone up, and then NOT answer the question directly? Review the Statement Analysis of the entire call. We have already established that the call is bogus by its order:
I just woke up
The door was open
and oh, by the way, “our” daughter is gone. Did she say “our” because she was coached? Or, is it the language of step parenting? Misty had only known Haleigh a few months up until then.
2 So, his daughter “gets stole” and he tells the 911 operator that he is going to kill whoever did this. He is one angry dad. Police tell him early on that Misty is involved. As soon as a State or Fed analyst gets on board, everyone, including Ronald and Misty, are told the 911 call is a ruse.
Ronald takes this information and what does he do?
He marries Misty.
Tim Miller allows a zealous worker to get close to Misty, in order to get info.
What does Ronald do?
He tells Misty.
After the marriage shock that showed his true colors dies down, talking heads begin to say, “well, this won’t help Ronald as the crime took place BEFORE they married, so marital privilege does not apply.”
Uh oh.
So, Ronald divorces her. You know, the same Misty he said he would put a shotgun to the back of her head and blow her teeth out? Even his ability to think of that shows what he is capable of doing.
Whenever Ronald is interviewed about his “missing” daughter, what is the first, or one of the first things he says?
“I was at work.”
“I just got home”
Over and over, he lays out the emphasis.
What does this tell us?
He was at home.
This offering of information, when not prompted, is critical. By Ronald offering that he was not at home, he is telling us that he was at home during a critical part of this homicide.
Misty, Tommy, and Ronald have all lied. (so has Teresa Nieves).
Ronald was a violent and neglectful father, entrusting the kids to a teenage druggie. He could have cared less. He was the same parent that his mother was to him. The circle continues.
Poor Haleigh.
I think she ingested oxy and this whole scenario was concocted by Ronald and Misty and they made Tommy get involved with disposing the body because he was implicated in something; perhaps he was molesting Haleigh; perhaps Misty traded Haleigh for drugs or money;
but they had something serious enough on Tommy to keep him silent, and when Ronald thought he was cracking, he sent over the beheaded rat as a warning.
Ronald is a scary, violent person, and Tommy knows it well.
But now Hope has gotten a HUGE sentence. Tommy doesn’t want to go that long and Ronald is behind bars and can’t scare Tommy.
Tommy flunked the poly and his lawyer get law enforcement involved.
Whatever they had on Tommy, was powerful enough to get him to help Misty unload the body, which is why Ronald kept calling her in a panic.
Whether Misty gave Haliegh a broken off piece of pill, or she found it, the dirt was so bad that they could not point the finger at each other (Ronald and Misty) without nailing the other; so they worked together. They have something bad enough on Tommy to nail him.
With another scenario where Ron wasn’t directly involved, but then became part of the coverup: What would be so terrible that Misty has over Ronald, to get him to help her make the 911 call and the cover up?
I don’t know, but we do have a hint.
Was Ronald molesting his daughter?
Who knows how screwed up his brain is on drugs?
Ronald has a very high likelihood of being molested as a child; due to the drug world he grew up in and was eventually taken from his mother’s custody but NOT the family.
Ronald, on national TV, said he is attracted to young girls. This is an embarrassing and humiliating thing for him to say. Since druggies are liars AND since human nature naturally minimizes is there something about Ronald sexually that is disturbing?
We have the reference by Misty to laundry and washing; verbal indications of sexual abuse in the home.
We know that even non drug users minimize their own behavior. It is like the woman who slaps her child in the face at Walmart. WHAT DO YOU THINK she does to the child at home, when no one is looking??
If Ronald was willing to admit, in general terms, his attraction to young girls, this would indicate that he may prefer them even younger than he said. This would indicate a stunted emotional growth in him, often found in abusers.
True pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescents. I do not know if this is Ronald. I am seeking to know, if he wasn’t involved in her death, what Misty may have over him that caused him to be part of the coverup. Although I am not saying Ronald is a pedophile, I am saying, in certainty, that sexual abuse of Haleigh Cummings needs to be explored and this begins with the adults who had the closest contact with her.
Ronald, Misty, and Tommy, however, are all united in their desire to blame one person (who Ronald has, apparently, allowed to live, inspite of his threats):
Joe Overstreet may be a creepy thing with a history, but he didn’t do it.
I think that BEFORE Ronald, Misty and Tommy are sentenced for the drug trafficking,
WE WILL HAVE AN ARREST.
I think Misty will be arrested, to no one’s surprise, but to many, the surprise arrest will be Ronald.
I think Tommy cuts a deal to implicate them and gets a reduced sentence.
I think we will see this “bombshell” on the news:
Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin to be arrested for the homicide of Haleigh Cummings.
ron: well were gonna be um, everybody is gonna subpoenaed to court
including john merchant who is the lead detective in this…
cobra: yeah, what did he do?
ron: he has no… he is the lead detective in this case.
cobra: which one got caught with some pot and coke in his car and got
pulled of the case and put on desk job, is that merchant?
ron: no
cobra: no, who was that, do you know who that was?
ron: i think that might have been chris middleton, i dont` know
cobra: see, i dont know any of these motherf****. I called 87 times to
talk to the muthaf***** po-lice, you know how many times they talk to me?
ron: none?
cobra: zun! zun! none!!!!
ron: i can call and get merchant on the phone for you right now.
cobra: but i don`t know him, man… cuz all of a sudden they have merchant`s
name mixed up with you, if you all was boys… that wont do me no good… if
i`m tryin to find a child and somebody out here playin… ya know?
what you thinking man?
hm dunno cate,lol
btw,did you know JM was removed from the case?
the amber alert was wrong,they didn’t take the doors for 2 weeks,drug the mattress outside,contaminating the evidence!! too many mistakes in the beginning!
who is JM
‘Somebody came in my back door, broke into my home and stole my daughter,’ he said.
Detective John Merchant of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said no stone would be left unturned.
‘All the world is a suspect,’ he said.
‘We are going to treat everybody, every family member, every associate, like a suspect until we eliminate them.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1143865/Girl-5-snatched-Florida-home-chilling-new-McCann-case.html#ixzz0qcEPmBta
John Merchant,also the guy who told ron to marry Misty! Unless i am wrong again? lol
CathyJo
who’s Jm ?
Okay, CJ63 – hey, is your birthday in January, on the 23rd? I’m CathySue63/123 Jan 23, 1963…
Anyhow, I did know that Johnny Merchant was removed from the case and that his history is…suspect? dubious? And then we have Attorney Kimball, in the conversation w Cobra? About being banned from the Holiday Inn?
OK, so , why so many “mistakes” in the beginning? Because, according to TH at writeintoaction, PCSO is protecting themselves? Or, because, like OJ say, they are imcompetent fools? Or, huh?
riteeeeeee!!!
my birthday?? Jan.1-63!
Hmm, so Ron didn’t figure out on his own that screwing a minor was a problem? And that marriage would protect him in a court of law? Well, Ron isn’t so smart as I hoped him to be!
he’s the only one ron trusts!
he’s the one who told him to divorce her too,if again i am not mistaken,lol
right or he didn’t care!!!!
ron don’t trust nobody but JM!
imo,they didn’t know it would get this huge?????
whoa, too fast for me, your b-day is 1/1/1963? cool, I’m 1/23/1963.
Merchant was the only one Ron trusted?
i listen to everyone reporting and take bits that are most believeable and fit the situation! so believe me,as bad as i hate to even admit it,i still read ah sometimes,when i am desperate,lol
cause theres a monkey in the woodpile somewhere?
yes!!! even before this!!
ah,yours is too??? cool!!!!! lol
I hate to leave good company but either that or my eyes are gonna cross my nose in a second,haven’t slept good for 4 nights,lol
You read TH writeintoaction as bad as you hate to admit it? I think Art Harris is worse, WAY worse— although, I do need to go check now, realizing that I haven’t checked AH for a day or so, LOL!
but I will see yas tomorrow!!!!!!
GoodNite Cate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nite.
look at this and tell me abt the Regan’s all over again’
Just got up and read last nights blogs. Looks,
like folks are still looking at the Ron and Misty theory. Ron is the only one Misty would cover for. She threw Tommy under the bus from the get go. She is not protecting him. She is afraid to tell on someone. I think she is truly
afraid of her partner in crime. My ex use to even threaten to kill my folks if I left him.
He slug guns around like Ron did and appeared to love his children in photographs.
Ron and Teresa had a big plot for him to leave work and catch Misty doing something. His Momma picked him up outside the security fence.
Him and Misty had a spat and Haleigh got in the
middle. Out of angry he hurt that baby.
The Croslin’s are dumber than dirt. They do not
seem to be violent people just poor. Ron is violent. I don’t care if he has never been found guilty. Neither was my ex I kept dropping
charges because I was afraid not to. I have a
feeling we are about to see all this unfold.
Putnam county has to get it right.
Good Morning, COOP. I can’t see it any other way. As you, I’m hoping for a resolution, soon.
hi stilllucy..I sure hope he didn’t molest that kid. I have even been thinking that could have been why Misty left! I tell you my heart asks more for that baby the more I see and find out.
Lucy I really have tried not to point a finger at Ron . The Croslin’s had me so distracted.
I think the Croslin’s have just been a side show in this. I started watching and listen to video of Ron this week and I sure flipped off the Croslins in a hurry
The way that Ron handled TM/TES and Padilla makes no sense at all. It was as if anyone that could bring attention to HaLeigh’s disappearance or help find her were led down wrong paths or their offer of assistance was refused. Nothing seemed right from the beginning. Creeped me out from the very start.
And ofcourse, there you have Geraldo. He went after the lifestyle of Ron and got chased out of town. I think he was getting a little too close to exposing the facts about Ron and they didn’t want that info out. This case exploded in the media and has been watched closely by many since the beginning. The people involved didn’t plan on that. IMO
I stayed off the Haleigh Cummings case for months. When Somer Thompson was murdered and lived four streets from my grand daughter it really was just to much for me. Haleigh only lived a couple of communities away from my other two grandchildren. I tell you it’s like I try to hang on to every blog to make sure they are ok. I get a little crazy and can’t be objective I am so anxious for a resolution.
I suppose you have this feeling of unrest no matter where you live anymore. However, NE Florida has certainly had their share. I felt
a little better that My grand daughter went to
private school and wouldn’t be walking home from school. Guess what girl attending private
school here killed by two classmates after school. There is no safe place for our babies
anymore.
Lucy Ron is crazy. His demeanor the day they
were taken to Putnam and told to prepare for a funeral. He just pranced out of there with that
angry look of his face.
Could you actually go to bed with someone that could have had something to do with you kids disappearence? If he can he is still sick and needs to be locked up?
Agreed. The Croslin’s were the suckers here. Ron is in control here with a little guidance from TN. Just can’t get past it. Even after Ron was arrested, on 1 of the tapes, TN asks if Ron thinks “she’ll” talk. They have to be talking about Misty. And the headless rat, too weird.
I’m not leaning toward the molestation idea. I just think that Ron was abusive and controlling. He did look for young teenage girls for his partners but, I don’t think that even he would’ve went there with his daughter. As much time as HaLeigh spent being seen by Drs’, he would have been found out sooner or later. Crystal’s complaints about Ron were always his temper and abuse, never a hint of anything of a sexual matter. I think she would have been off the chart with that. IMO
As Jan has stated, the Croslin’s lifes are pretty much ruined because of their kids involvement with Ron and this whole mess. I do have empathy for them. I just wish that they could convince their kids to tell the truth and clear this mess up. SOON!
IMO
Nancy Grace is the may reason the general public has not looked closer at Ron. That is
exactly why Ron would not sever ties with Misty. He had to keep her under his thumb so she wouldn’t talk. Who knows Misty might have
talked to Donna Brock. Why is none of her calls
out to the GP. The reason was suppose to be a technology issue in Putnam for not releasing audio and video. Donna has been over in St Johns or Flager so technology is not the issue in those cash rich counties.
The state of Florida does seem to stay in the spotlight when it comes to crimes against children and now the seriousness of the drug culture there too. I kind of always looked at Fl as a vacation place or a retirement community but, WOW! That happy place has it’s serious problems just as everyone else. It’s scary no matter where you go anymore. I’ve raised my girls to be ready and know what to do where ever they are. All you can do is hope and pray……….IMO
Lucy Ok I get that. I think he is fine as long as everything is going the way he wants it to.
I don’t think anyone got up that morning and said let’s kill Haleigh. SOmething went wrong that night and I think it is anger related.
I just don’t get the plea deal think unless he
is throwing one of the Croslins under the bus.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
That whole DB and Misty relationship is strange. I think Misty used her more that DB used Misty. Someone had mentioned on here a while back that DB didn’t have anyone to accept her calls. Not sure. There was 1 out there where she told a female that the truth would come out and that she was innocent. The innocent part is a bunch of bunk.
I just have a feeling that LE is trying to make it appear that Ron is being treated differently and Ron won’t talk or moves the conversation away from the subject at hand. LE thinks that the Croslin’s are the weak link and they are hammering them.
IMO
Lucy they try to blame everything on the transiet communities. There has only been one case of that lately and they found the kid alive here. Florida is beautiful and it’s like
a paradise most of the time. It’s just crazy.
I think the drug issue comes in from folks had to move out to rural areas when the
cost of housing was through the roof here.
You can have a drug habit and pay rent.
I just don’t get the pill thing and crushing
and sniffing them is far beyond anything I can
imagine.
I don’t think the plea deal has anything to do with HaLeigh. The only deal that Ron could make at this point with the drug charges is to give up names, Drs’, other dealers, suppliers. That’s just what I’m thinking. I don’t see LE giving anyone here a plea deal for HaLeigh’s case unless it’s something big and the person(s) were not directly involved in her death.
IMO
I don’t get the Donna Brock thing. Misty just had no where else to turn at that point. FLo Hollars or Donna Brock. I don’t think Misty had sold drugs before Ron. Misty would not have had many friends she had not gone to school in Putnam. Yep the Croslins sure was drug through the mud. Well, they have declared
their innocence so we will see.
Lucy, another thing the Croslin’s are transplants to NE Florida. Ron and his mother are 3rd or 4th generation River Rats. Those are folks that have made a living and lived along the St John River. bridge repairs, shipping, crawfish, fishing, bait shops etc.etc. They would know far better how to get rid of a body than the Croslins. I can assure that the last place Ron or his Mom would have taken a body to is the local boat ramp.
My softball game got cancelled this morning, too much rain.
Sure is quiet in the blogosphere……
You’d be surprised what addicts have come up with to catch that high. So many kids are asthmatic these days and taking inhalants to control the symptoms. The breathing machines with a cup and hose are what’s being used. Not sure exactly what derivitives are being used but the high is supposedly more instantainious.
I work with protected adults and you wouldn’t believe some of their home lifes and situations of neglect and abuse. The primary source of abuse by caregivers are their meds. It’s enough to make you scream.
The local boat ramp, I agree. They would know better but maybe not the Croslin’s. What’s so weird about that search is the fact that TN & AS went down there prior to LE to do their own search. What in the world were 2 Grannys doing interferring in that? What were they looking for and why didn’t they just go to LE with the info that Granny Hollars had given AS? Makes absolutely no good sense……… IMO
Lucy I tried being a social worker for about 18 months. That is certainly an underpaid
occupation. I thought I could make a difference . People don’t live alike and some folks are poor and uneduated. That’s OK and fine but they don’t go around hurting the elderly and children. My neice does home visits. Had police and rescue charge a home that she was in last week. The mom had blogged she was going to kill herself while the visit was going on.
People that are environmentally delayed is a bigger problem that we want to accept.
Yes, I thought that strange as well. Teresa was a Dispatcher she knows that ain’t cool.
Teresa, diverts the attention away from Ron.
I just don’t see the Croslin’s as being able to keep such a secret. They may have some info but, how much and at this point, who really believes anything that any of them have to say.
I don’t think that Timmy & Chelsea were involved but if Misty was going to talk, it would’ve been to them. Chelsea is probably the only person that could get Misty to crack and then you go back to, just how much does Misty know or remember? As they say, it’s all too hinky. I’ve dealt with the criminal element for a very long time and this makes my head spin. I lean toward Pat Brown’s theories and NG, what a joke. Way too sensational for such a case. NG should have stayed more to the story behind HaLeigh and not so partial to Ron. Big mistake.
IMO
Lucy, I think I will go sit on the porch and have a cup of coffee. Time for Saturday morning bike races along the river. See Florida ain’t all that bad. Catch you guys later. We need to kick Cathyjo and get her up.
Have a great day!!
TN & AS were looking for something at the river. It’s just too weird and it had to be to protect Ron from something the Croslin’s knew or thought they knew.
Pointing the finger at Joe, what a waste of time. I’m sure that he would be under LE right now if that had any truth to it. Granny Hollars seems to favor her female kin over the males. She has issues all of her own. And talks to the press way too much. IMO
Nice chat, thanks. Have a great day, 2!
Good morning,
As I sit here this morning over coffee catching up it is very clear that we need more information if we are ever going to exclude any of these individuals.
Without the facts our imaginations have taken over and are filling in the blanks to fit each and everyone of the players. IMO
IMO it is obvious that LE does know more than they have revealed, because, where we all sit someone should of already been charged, if not all of them.
texasmommy–I think you are right. I do have a question. Police searched the St. John’s River on February 11, 2009 (gainesville.com):
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Divers check the St. Johns River following initial signs of Haleigh’s scent picked up by canine search dogs.
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If Haleigh was dumped there, tied with ropes weighed down with cinder blocks, do you not think they would have found some signs of that beautiful child that day? Yet they launch an expensive search over a year later, and got the same results. I am at a loss and I think it is high time someone comes in a takes a fresh peak at this case, before it gets any worse. LE has wasted valuable time and resources focusing on the Croslins/Cummings. If there is never a resolution to this case I will blame LE because it is their JOB to chase any avenue and look at all possible suspects, be it family or foe. Speculation has ran rampant in this case (who can you blame when LE created this RUMORMILL) and lives have been destroyed before AN ARREST OR CONVICTION. Yes, they are guilty of drug abuse/trafficking (that drug sting was suspect and so coincidental to be anything but obvious). But murder? I do not think so (just my opinion) because LE cannot tie the evidence (if there is indeed any evidence) to point to who is responsible, where the crime scene was, and when did it happen, not to mention where the body is/was disposed of. JMO
Another snippet of information in gainesville.com about the timeline of events:
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Feb. 17, 2009 – Deputies announce they have new leads after canvassing about 300 homes and stopping more than 200 vehicles but don’t elaborate on the information.
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What pertinent information was gleamed from this? Will we ever know?
Morning TM39, Robin and Lucy! I haven’t had coffee yet, TM39, and now that you mention it, I need to go get some. So hot here today, maybe I’ll just ice the leftover from yesterday.
Robin, so what do you think happened? What is your favorite story?
Robin, I so much agree with you? Will we ever know anything? Or will they stop at SKB’s “know exactly but happened but not enough to convict so why bother with an arrest.” (And my heart does go out to SKB. Dealing with leukemia, any kind of cancer, so hard to live that way.)
I appreciate so much, too, Robin, about the lives of people who have not be proven guilty being ruined. Really makes me mad. I want to see them sue somebody! Usually I am annoyed by lawsuits, way too many of them, but Lisa and Hank Croslin don’t deserve to be homeless. They’ve made a lot of mistakes but Hank also seems to be a regular sort of working guy. Gotta’ hand it to them for staying married, too.
Robin, I so much agree with you! (It wasn’t a question.)
Cate–I am at a loss to what happened to Haleigh. I swing from the Sheffields hiding her out to a stranger abduction. I have never thought that Ron or Misty had anything to do with her disappearance. Yes, their behavior is suspicious. People wonder why they lie–I even wonder why they concoct stories that would only tie them deeper into this crime–but then I look at Misty. I can guarantee she is easily suggestible, and I can just imagine the interrogation techniques that LE used to glean information from her. I do not think for one minute she would cover for Ron (goodness sakes they were only together for 4 months and top it off she was gone for 3 days before the disappearance doing God knows what with God knows who, so not for one minute do I think she was scared of Ron enough to cover for him), nor would she for Tommy (who she through under the bus numerous times) or Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes, who was probably the only stable parental roles she ever had. I think their focus on this family has tainted the investigation. I think they made the evidence FIT the people (if indeed there is evidence) and not the people FIT the evidence. They found “THEIR PERPS” (LE) and they are going to use any means necessary to convict them of this crime. I have lost faith in LE, I am sorry to say. I am disgusted that they have released information (Sunshine Laws be damned) to hang these people (jailhouse tapes and DVDs), without actual concrete evidence to arrest and convict them, much less name them a person of interest or suspects in this crime. Bless Steve Brown for trying to investigate this case and I hope one day he can divulge the information that led to his conclusion (I do not know why cannot talk about it now since he is not employed by LE). This case is a mess and I do hope one day we do find out what happened to Haleigh, but I will sadly say, it will not happen until fresh eyes look for other viable suspects instead of the same ones LE has been looking at for 16 months.
robin, IMO LE has not botched it…yet. They have not shown their hand since calling off all the searches within the first week after HaLeigh’s abduction. The circus was first created by the Sheffields and once media got into the mix it became a three ring circus.
For some reason we have only witnessd and heard of a few searches conducted by LE since that first week.
1. The Griffis farm and other family members property in Baker Co. June 25,2009
2. The Mondex pond. Sept 18-19,2009
3. St. Johns River search at Shell Harbor.
April 13-15,2010
IMO each of these searches have cost a pretty tax payers penny and have shown the public no results. This last search, LE finally feel comfortable calling this investigation a Homicide, but, have dispelled rumors that they found HaLeigh or her remains. I honestly can not figure out how LE can call this case a homicide without a body. I have to ask what evidence could their be that would be connected to HaLeigh that has been under water or exposed to the elements for over a year if it is not a body? As far as we know HaLeigh left the mobile home without her nightshirt.
Would a pair of panties be all that she was wearing?
IMO no body, but, year old evidence all of a sudden appearing at the end of a public boat dock is just a little to fishy.
IMO evidence can say alot, but, it is the interpertation that usually convicts.
IMO and from what I understand coming out of PCSO, LE’s suspect has not even been mentioned or named by and from what I understnd is not behind bars as we speak.
I wonder why it took so long to cancel that Amber Alert.
TM39, Thanks for listing the dates of those three major searches. I’ve been meaning to do that. ITA, it makes no sense to call this a homicide without physical evidence and they most certainly better not be basing this on Misty and Tommy’s statements! I hadn’t heard that part about how LE’s suspect is not currently in jail. Are we supposed to believe that ridiculous JO story?
Robin, The Sheffields are high on my list as well, as you probably know. Ron is too. If it was a stranger abduction wouldn’t the Sheffields and Griffis and Cummings and Sykes be shouting about LE declaring it “an inside job?”
My imagination seems to think they did find her, but, more likely on the 3rd. I wonder if that is why Crystal has not signed in to her MYspace since the 3rd.
tm39, Yes, that is very, very strange that it took so long to cancel the Amber Alert. They usually get canceled as soon as the child is found, dead or alive. Maybe it took longer because they canceled it without a body? Which is rare but probably not without precedent.
tm39, I think that is a distinct possibility, that they did find her. Didn’t know that about Crystal’s MySpace. How about Marie? I’m off to check.
IMO PCSO called their (Sheffield) bluff.
Does it seem normal to take 51 days to cancell the Amber Alert? My understanding is that the victim has to be found before the Ambe Alert will be cancelled.
I got the feeling that Hardy was contemplating changing the status of the case on Tuesday morning which would seem to be before they would have found anything in the river.
I certainly hope that LE was not so negligent to change the status of the case based on TC’s story. Since reading the presser that Werter gave, which gave the time line leading up to the search, I have not had a good feeling about just what LE has as far as physical evidence.
Hi Everyone! A thought occurred to me, each of the people involved in this case have outsiders from all walks of life with differing opinions on their innocence or guilt! That’s a good thing because that means they can get a fair trial.
In the Casey Anthony case other then her family, there are not too many people who think she is innocent! Sometimes it doesn’t even seem like her own attorney’s do!
texasmommy, by changing the classification from missing to homicide, the case no longer qualified under the Amber Alert requirements.
tm39, That is what I’ve thought, too, that the reason for the change to “homicide” was to call their bluff. I am going to see what I can find regarding Amber Alert cancellation. I looked at Marie’s MySpace, nothing new there, just the baby goat wishing HaLeigh was there. Checked Sarah’s, too, she’s as active as ever, for all that’s worth.
Just curious, do you know how old, or even about how old, Chad’s kids Morgan and Chase are? And does he have more kids?
WHYLIE I agree with you, that was my impression to. I found that calling in the family that day at 1 pm even more telling.
Nice point, Alex. Hopefully there WILL be a trial, if HaLeigh is no longer alive.
Seems like the families would be complaining, doesn’t it, about the change in status to homicide and cancellation of the Amber Alert? They say they still believe that she is alive so don’t they want people to still be searching and aware? Or are they just taking some time in coming to terms with her death?
tm39, although didn’t LE explain that they called in the family so it wouldn’t be a repeat of draining the pond at the Mondex, because the families were upset that they weren’t informed?
HaLeigh is still listed as a missing person with the FBI. Anyone know why that would be, WhyLie, perhaps, if she has been declared dead?
WhyLie said,in June 12th, 2010 at 12:32 pm texasmommy, by changing the classification from missing to homicide, the case no longer qualified under the Amber Alert requirements.
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They seemed to have dragged a$$ to get the paper work wrote up and submitted. LOL
LE can say anyting they want, but, until we see something how do we know what realy is happing?
Whether any of them did it or not, it appears that all have something to hide and they are so busy in a cover-up that may have nothing to do with Haleigh’s disappearance that they have no time for coming to terms with what happened toHaleigh!
Crystal visited her MySpace today, fyi.
Sh must be reading here LOL, because I checked before I stated.
robin said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:54 am
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Robin, couldn’t agree with you more! (only not the part about Steve Brown) To me, the reason he hasn’t spoke is because he ‘misspoke’. He had a hunch they would find Haliegh etc that day and he wanted the publicity and credit as the ‘person who solved the case’. That didn’t happen and it made him look like a fool! What an idiot.
However, I think it is sad what LE has done to this family!
Alex, so the Sheffields and Griffis are busy covering-up something that doesn’t have to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance? Do tell!
tm39, That’s what I thought, too, that Crystal is reading here. I checked after I posted a reply to you and she hadn’t been on, like you said, since June 3. Then I looked at some other pages and checked again and it was updated to June 12. Oh Crystal, if you are reading here, share what you know! lol 🙂
COOP said,in June 12th, 2010 at 6:41 am Lucy Ron is crazy. His demeanor the day they
were taken to Putnam and told to prepare for a funeral. He just pranced out of there with that
angry look of his face.
Could you actually go to bed with someone that could have had something to do with you kids disappearence? If he can he is still sick and needs to be locked up?
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Exactly,and the Croslins were just easy to blame it on,
Are there other people thrown in jail for a drug bust that they airing their jailhouse tapes all over the news????
Not that I know of!
Are there other people thrown in jail for a drug bust that they are showing them go to court and blasting on NG, etc.????
Not that I know of!
LE has been negligent in this manner as well as the media. There are tons of people in jail for all kinds of things and they don’t get treated like this and their families aren’t destroyed all over place.
None of these 3 are locked up on the Haleigh case, they aren’t even listed as persons of interest!
Sorry, but if I was their lawyer, I would go in the direction of “Intrapment” and then sue LE for damages while I was at it. There was no reason for these families (with children) to be destroyed all over the media. It’s called “Explotation”!
I think Misty has endured way more than her share and I hope she gets retribution for the way she has been treated. I bet no other druggie in that jail has been treated the way she has.
If she or Tommy or Ron are guilty of something with Haleigh, then charge them with it and go from there. But for now, they are in for drug charges. Nothing related to Haleigh. It seems wrong to me as to what has happened to this whole case.
Just my thoughts this morning.
COOP said,in June 12th, 2010 at 6:46 am Nancy Grace is the may reason the general public has not looked closer at Ron. That is
exactly why Ron would not sever ties with Misty. He had to keep her under his thumb so she wouldn’t talk. Who knows Misty might have
talked to Donna Brock. Why is none of her calls
out to the GP. The reason was suppose to be a technology issue in Putnam for not releasing audio and video. Donna has been over in St Johns or Flager so technology is not the issue in those cash rich counties.
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Exactly how i feel and have all along,just didn’t know how to put it,you did it perfect,100% agreed,N/g was even getting hom a lawyer,wasn’t she??????????
Jen? Casey ring a bell? lol
Jen,the reason this one and caseys is b/c they drew NATIONAL attention? Ron sisn’t even bargain for that??? imo
There are tons of family stuff on other cases its just we never heard of em but if you look on David Laurs site,or the states that allow it theres tons of cases with the family dirty laundry put out there!
I believe that’s the law in Florida, sunshine law.
Good Afternoon, CJ!
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 12th, 2010 at 12:47 pm tm39, although didn’t’t LE explain that they called in the family so it would’t be a repeat of draining the pond at the Mondex, because the families were upset that they weren’t informed?
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Yea, I have thought about the come together meeting and have to say with the two families that have been going at it for over a year, it seems a little insensitive to have them all together in one room to hear such devastating news and no “proof” of who did do it or even a body.
I have to wonder why the secrecy of the topic discussed by SH to these families. The public sat back and watched the river search and witnessed Mist’s appearance at the docks. We where told by SKB what LE chose not too. The public witnesses coverage of LE meeting with Jo in Tenn. and his attorneys press release. Seems a little weird for the private conversation and then the media campaign directed by LE.
Before Caylees body was found the Anthony’s didn’t want to believe she may be dead despite the decomp in the car and her hair. I wondered if they were saying that more for the fact Casey would than be implicated, rather than being in denial about Caylee.
With the Cummings & Sheffields saying they won’t accept Haleigh is deceased until they have proof makes me wonder if it is for denial sake or for the “no body no crime” aspect.
JenM–My thoughts exactly!
Jen,now this i agree totally with!
None of these 3 are locked up on the Haleigh case, they aren’t even listed as persons of interest!
Sorry, but if I was their lawyer, I would go in the direction of “Intrapment” and then sue LE for damages while I was at it. There was no reason for these families (with children) to be destroyed all over the media. It’s called “Explotation”!
I think Misty has endured way more than her share and I hope she gets retribution for the way she has been treated. I bet no other druggie in that jail has been treated the way she has.
If she or Tommy or Ron are guilty of something with Haleigh, then charge them with it and go from there. But for now, they are in for drug charges. Nothing related to Haleigh. It seems wrong to me as to what has happened to this whole case.
Just my thoughts this morning.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 12:51 pm Whether any of them did it or not, it appears that all have something to hide and they are so busy in a cover-up that may have nothing to do with Haleigh’s disappearance that they have no time for coming to terms with what happened toHaleigh!
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Good Afternnon to you too,lol
and its almost like they all had a part in it,each one so they couldn’t rat out another,its sure confusing!
Honestly,to me it seems everyone who knew Haleigh is lying! EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!
I guess I just read the posts on here and look at the news and get really frustrated with this mess. Seems LE has complicated things by illuding to things with no proof of anything.
no body, no crime evidence, no weapon, no motive, no suspects, no persons of interest, no nothing.
Haleigh is missing. That’s all we have. Still at day one in my mind.
I’d betcha cs and mg and alot of em read here!lol
Amen Jen!!!!!!!! If Misty knew i guarantee ya we;d all know!
Oh Sorry Lucy,Good afternoon to you too,lol I can’t see!!!!!!
Either they’re all lying or they’re all afraid that they can be
unjustly blamed for something they didn’t do. Who knows how
intimidating it might be to have LE interrogating them in an accusitory
manner.
I think the biggest difference between the CA case and Haleigh’s case is that there was actual physical evidence of a deceased child. There was no report of a missing child for a month, evidence in the car of decomposition, computer searches consistent with killing, etc.
I know if it were my child/grandchild I would definitely be demanding some form of actual physical evidence that my child was indeed killed.
I read and posted a doc the other night that said suspect AT LARGE? It had Timmys name on it too,remember?? hmmmmmmmm
exactly whylie,but instead they stay hidden?
Hey CJ, ya sleep in?
I have left all minor children out of my sluething, cate, s I do not know off hand. Sorry.
CJ I think that was the harassing phone call report if I remember correctly. From the looks of it, it appears that Timmy left some kind of “not so nice” messages on their answering machine.
WhyLie, I would be demanding physical evidence as well. So it seems weird to me that the Sheffields and Griffis and Cummings and Sykes are not complaining, loudly, that the status of the investigation remain “missing,” not “homicide.” Can you help me understand that?
“Waving ” at Crystal!!! 😉 Giving finger to MG.
Cate I don’t have a clue. Goodness only knows what “really” was said behind closed doors at that meeting.
My concern was LE stating they had physical evidence that led them to search the river, but in reading Werter’s presser it really seems that the search was initiated by what TC said to LE.
I really think it will take some therapy to get anything out of Misty. I think she may or may not be blocking that information (Dissociative Disorder with Amnesia). I hope they are giving her meds to help her.
If she knows more or doesn’t know more, it is sad what has happened to her. I don’t think she is purposely hiding anything.
For some reason, I really am stuck on the Tommy or Sheffields as the culprits. To me, they both had prime opportunities and it wouldn’t take a lot of twisting of information to make up the scenario.
stilllucy said,in June 12th, 2010 at 6:42 am Agreed. The Croslin’s were the suckers here. Ron is in control here with a little guidance from TN. Just can’t get past it. Even after Ron was arrested, on 1 of the tapes, TN asks if Ron thinks “she’ll” talk. They have to be talking about Misty. And the headless rat, too weird.
I’m not leaning toward the molestation idea. I just think that Ron was abusive and controlling. He did look for young teenage girls for his partners but, I don’t think that even he would’ve went there with his daughter. As much time as HaLeigh spent being seen by Drs’, he would have been found out sooner or later. Crystal’s complaints about Ron were always his temper and abuse, never a hint of anything of a sexual matter. I think she would have been off the chart with that. IMO
As Jan has stated, the Croslin’s lifes are pretty much ruined because of their kids involvement with Ron and this whole mess. I do have empathy for them. I just wish that they could convince their kids to tell the truth and clear this mess up. SOON!
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I hope you’re right about that but what i thought of a second ago was,Remember when the det. picked ron up and took him to the dock in the beginning and Ron pulled a paper out of his pocket?
the same day they picked CG up too and i just now thought,if Ron were he’d no doubt blame CG and vice versa right?
but Ron is always saying he’s the best parent so just makes me wornder more!
texasmommy39 said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
“Waving ” at Crystal!!! 😉 Giving finger to MG.
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DITTO!
I think it is pretty much that Haleigh’s life and the life of her family has been ruined since Ron hooked up with Misty and the Croslins.
I believe in my gut that Tommy played a major part in whatever happened to Haleigh.
Cate – I still think Ron is the one responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance either by comission or omission!
But I think that all 3 sides have things that they would rather LE not know. Therefore some may not be guilty regarding Haleigh but their alibi might get them a stint in prison that they are not looking forward to!
As to the jailhouse tapes I think they have to be requested and paid for before they are released! Another thing to be thankful to Jan & Simon for doing for all of us !
A standing ovation to Jen M!
JenM said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
(I meant to do this before but got distracted. Sorry.)
misty has to go to trial and try the entrapment defense, imo.
/me moons crystal
CathyJo63 said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 12:49 am
btw,did you know JM was removed from the case?
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Merchant is the head of homicide at PCSO, and he did stop working on the case early on as there was no proof HaLeigh was deceased. He is currently back on the case, as it was deemed a homicide.
There is an article on Nancy Grace’s blog about Merchant meeting at the jail with both Ronald & Crystal. He was there to go over options regarding whether to wait 7 years to receive a death certificate, or the parents could petition the court and receive a death certificate without a body. (Hard to hear, but John Merchant is very definitely back working the case again).
**I have a favor to ask of CathyJo, and any one posting articles. When posting articles, could a link please be posted. It makes it easier to reference the articles in the future. Thank you very much. 🙂
Here is a quote from the article I mentioned above:
“According to Merchant he presented two options to parents Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield about a funeral for Haleigh: The couple could wait seven years for Haleigh to be declared dead by the state of Florida and then be issued a death certificate or they can go before a judge before the seven years lapses to request a death certificate.”
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/21/haleighs-family-told-to-make-funeral-arrangements-did-cops-find-a-body/
well shux,i wasted a good moon,i forgot they’re prolly used to alot of crack!
rofl…….jmo
LMAO rolling….on Floor.
OHHH CJ I love it!!!!
Now I feel bad… LOL
BRB
They’ll prolly try to scrape my crack off the monitor.rofl jmo
jaba I agree. Misty has nothing to loose by going to trial and using the entrapment defense. And if I was Fields I would definitely be questioning Steph about just what he knows about DB and the NYC trip, and her illegal taping of conversations.
Really prime for Tommy though. He was there. He was f’d up. The back door was set up just like he sets them up when he robs places, etc.
If I had to take a shot at this, I would say that Tommy will be arrested for the crime of kidnapping Haliegh from the MH, (perhaps after taking advantage of Misty) and then taking her in the Van to the river.
To me, it seems he has told us the story already of what happened. Remember, I always say, “THE TRUTH IS IN THE LIE”.
1. Tommy says “I went to the MH that night at 10:00”. “I knocked loudly on the doors” (here he tells us exactly what he did) He says that no one was there. I think what he meant is that no one woke up when he was making all that noise opening that back door! Or could of been that Misty let him in the MH when he was knocking and now she feels guilty about that.
2. He tells us that Joe told him a story about alligators in those waters and it would be a perfect way to get rid of a body. I think he tells us here, exactly what he did. He even sends LE down to the river, just to make sure that there is no evidence left there.
I think in Tommy’s mind he was so f’d up on drugs, he remembers these things, but feels there is No way it could of been him that did it. So, he puts the blame on Joe. It makes him feel better.
He tries to convince us and Lyndsy in the jailhouse tapes that “he knows exactly what he is doing when he is high on drugs”. Now why make a statement like that? Because he knows he didn’t know what he was doing and he can’t really recall.
Tommy, In my opinion, is GUILTY of harming and disposing of Haleigh.
AND I think LE is trying to get from Misty what she has blocked out. They took her to the river to see if they could get a reaction from her, maybe jog her memory/subconscious. they didn’t. Therefore, I think they have ruled out her being at the crime scene of the river.
HOWEVER, I think LE is being careful with her to not make info sink deeper in her mind. I think she witnessed something very traumatic or was traumatized herself. She has extreme guilt. Then top it off with Ron blaming her for all of this. I also think LE is being careful to see who else could of helped Tommy that night or been involved before they go any further.
I do think LE might be convinced from Tommy’s story that Haleigh is dead, but just don’t have all the evidence yet. Hopefully they have dirt samples from the Van to show what area it was taken that night. I think Joe might of been a driver.
I think the story is just like Tommy has told us, only it was Tommy who did it, not Joe. It was Tommy who took Haleigh, then threatened Misty. He maybe made Joe drive, who didn’t know his way through the woods, thus the scratch on the van and the leaves/bushes in the headlights. Joe dropped off Tommy (thus all the dog barking and commotion) and then took the Van to Timmys, etc. Still in his clothes when Timmy checked in on him. Lyndsy is pissed she covered for Tommy being home and has told LE differently and is divorcing Tommy.
To me, the circumstances point one direction and that is Tommy.
Sorry so long, but just thoughts for today.
or somebody wanted it to look like Tommy and placed the brick there after somebody called him to put him at the crime place?
that just stands out to me??
Why didn’t they just say,the doors open and our daughters gone,but emphasized the BRICK? i don’t believe none of em’ jmo
when the cops got there they’d find the brick right? but Misty even says,and the brick wasn’t there when i was sleeping?
but they couldn’t giver her bdate??
Cathy Jo, one fact we do have is that they are all LIARS! lol.
Love your crack joke! (you have to be careful with punctuation on that one, eh?) Could be taken many ways, just like the things we read in the media.
Love, your crack joke.
Love your crack, joke.
Love, your crack, joke.
We must all be crackin’ up.
Worth repeating for the weekend crowd:
Whats the difference between a drug dealer and a prostitute?
A prostitute can wash her crack and re-sell it!
LoL Jen,its terrible but if i think it i gotta say it…….usually,lol
I love that Jokeeeeeeee!
rofl
ok,If 2 female potatoes are standing on the corner,how do ya know which one is the hooker?
Cause it say,”IdaHo”
LOL….I hope they crack this case.
watch Ron in this video,he even gets angry at N/G for her attitude with Misty!
http://www.truecrimereport.com/amber_alert/
I hope they CRACK it too,LoL
n/g SAYS,HE ISN’T AFRAID OF THE LIGHTS AND DON’T SHY AWAY FROM THE CAMERA,I TAKE IT N/G DIDN’T SEE THE TATTOO VIDEO!
BRB
A segment of Nancy Grace’s show addressing new items found in the search for Haleigh Cummings.
A particularly astute reader, “curiosityhasme”, left the following comment on a previous entry about the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings from her North Florida home. I’m posting it merely as food for thought for others. I happen to agree with this person’s conclusions, for the most part. It should be stressed, however, that this is pure opinion on the part of the anonymous commenter as well as me, your friendly neighborhood crime blogger:
Five tip-offs for this arm-chair sleuth:
1. Contradictory statements to begin with. Could be the girl WAS in the same bed to begin with and WET the bed. THEN was put in other bed. Misty talks about her wetting the bed (recently) and she “washed the blanket.” If she is 5 year-old girl with Turner’s syndrome, living in emotionally and physically abusive environment, further explains why still bedwetter.
2. Father hothead and has lengthy criminal history – also domestic violence, reports of child abuse. Known fact that one of the leading causes of death in children are parents who go berserk due to bedwetting, over-discipline and possibly beat to death. Could have physically assaulted, broken limbs, bruises – only recourse was to throw her in the river, and place cinder block at back door to “cover” himself. Also reports that phone calls between two in early morning hours before he returned home, so if truly missing, he wouldn’t have stayed at job ’til finished.
3. His dismay and tears are over what he did, and yes, he wants her back – but not because of abduction that never happened He is remorseful, like many abusers who do it over and over and over. Think sheriff’s dept going along with story to get the goods on Dad and girlfriend.
4. Misty going along with story, but because she is young and not real bright, (like Ronald) they have really given themselves away with talk of bedwetting and now knowledge of truancy – in kindergarten of all things – which is another sign of physical abuse and healing injuries.
5. Child missed so much school that bio Mom said if missed anymore, father could be arrested. Contempt of Court entered against father on Mon 2/9 -hours before child went missing. Father didn’t want to lose son, lose job, nor go to jail.
Father murdered unintentionally, life in prison. Girlfriend accomplice – serving 30+ years in the big house.
Number 5 is false. There was not contempt of court entered against the father. Contempt of court was filed on mother for failing to pay child support.
There was a press release when Tommy was
helping LE. with what he new in the Haleigh
case, and
the suspect was in Jail.
Cricket a press release by whom?
# 2 would not matter IMO, because Ron was at work and Haleigh was seen after 5pm by two witnesses.
Was Ron paying child support to Amber?
Alex, No he was not. Amber nevr sowed fr the paternity testing.
never showed for… sorry need new key board.
Alex, No there is no court ordered child support for Amber’s child. As far as I know Amber has not gone for a paternity test that would prove or disprove that Ron is the baby’s daddy.
CJ, I messed up on the name last night its Kimberly Collins that is Lindsys mom, Terry is her dad. Did you look into the flagler dockets for them and Lisa? I know everyone says its MC but it could be TIM since he would also be a juvie at the time. He may have been the one who was going to testify. Lisa also had a theft and drunken disorderly . Kim was serving minors alchol and had a lot of restraining orders. Just real curious that they were friendly until this happened. jmo
Cricket, what?
CJ I noticed you said yesterday LE pulled out HaLeighs mattress, when did they do that?
Is Amber working, supporting herself & the child?
texasmommy–I do agree with you because I believe Ron was at work and NEVER left. I would imagine that PDM had cameras trained on the entry/exits of their facility. If they do (like most facilities do)videotapes of that given night would show him leave or visitors like TN or Misty showing up. I would like to know if PDM had a guard shack where visitors or employees had to pass through upon leaving or entering the facility.
The State doesnt give you a choice on paternity. They go after it and if you dont show you are in contempt. Amvber doesnt have the child her grandma does and Ron should have been served a warrent to appear. jmo
A particularly astute reader, “curiosityhasme”, left the following comment on a previous entry about the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings from her North Florida home. I’m posting it merely as food for thought for others. I happen to agree with this person’s conclusions, for the most part. It should be stressed, however, that this is pure opinion on the part of the anonymous commenter as well as me, your friendly neighborhood crime blogger:
Five tip-offs for this arm-chair sleuth:
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WhyLie,thats why i posted it as food for thought like the owner of the post said!
Right Tobias,I did!!! ty
Alex, last I heard the baby is living with Amber’s grandma, her other is on the run from the law, and Amber was staying with Donnie Spells.
Someone asked a few pages back – can someone fail a part of the polygraph and still pass some of it. You know, this is a question for someone like Jamie Skeeters (he was president of the polygraph association), but he’s passed on – fortunately, I asked him that exact question.
He said that it can be set up so that someone flunks certain questions and you know they are going to flunk those questions.
Questions that are sometimes asked are failed intentionally and it’s set up to have it happen like that. They are used as a base line to see what will happen when you get to the questions that you truly want answered.
If you have a series of questions that you know will be answered with a fail before the test begins, you may also have a series of questions you have no idea what will happen. But the obvious fails will give you your needed answers on the remaining questions.
In a sense, let’s say, you have 10 questions, 7 are of no importance and you know they person will make it appear as if they are lying. The remaining three are the REAL questions you need answers for and you need the response of obvious fails to make sure you have the truth on the three important questions.
I’m no expert on this subject, but this is how I remember him explaining it.
Failing a polygraph depends on what the definition of “fail” is. If the goal is to have someone answer each and every question truthfully – that’s one set of standards. If your goal is to have the person answer 3 out of seven truthfully – that’s another sety of standards.
If you have ever watched a polygraph start – you notice at the beginning they ask for your name. That’s to gauge a question they know you will answer honestly and to get a reading to compare other questions to.
In the case of serial liars such as the Croslins, who may be trying to beat the polygraph, you need a little bit better psychological game going into it.
As you may remember, Tommy asked for the polygraph in March, it didn’t happen until April 8th. They had plenty of time to prepare and make sure they would get the info they were after.
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I wonder if this is true?
Robin- I think if PDM had security they would not have asked for the sheriff’s presence when they let Ron go.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pm Is Amber working, supporting herself & the child?
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Amber is a drug addict ad th grandmother has custody.
i’ll go find it TexMom but i believe about 2 weeks after?
Wasn’t it Tobias or am i confusing it?
CJ, Did you catch the wording on the conviction? ATTEMPTED. Wonder whats happening with ol snodgrass. I am going to go check on it now be back soon. jmo
Does Ron or any member of his family acknowledge Amber’s child as belonging to Ron?
allz i know is i did read an article that cs found out that very day about the truancy,Haleigh had missed 28 days(which imo i don’t think cs even cared but it was something to look bad on ron)and was going to bring truancy up in court that day???? IDK for certain,but i will look forr it!
PDM does have a guard shack outside the parking area. All cars entering has to be checked in. PDM is on the river and as such may have more stringent security guidelines then an inland business would have. Homeland security required changes in certain type businesses located in certain locations after 911.
PALATKA, Fla. — Ronald Cummings was fired this week after his employer said he has not come to work since his 5-year-old daughter Haleigh disappeared from their Satsuma Home more than two months ago.
Haleigh disappeared in the early-morning hours of Feb. 10 just before Cummings came home from his job at PDM Bridge in Palatka.
PDM Bridge said they held Cummings’ job open for weeks expecting to hear from him requesting a leave of absence or make some other arrangement, but they never did.
Cummings’ lawyer, Greg Kimball, released a statement saying Cummings agreed to return to work on April 6.
“Ronald agreed to this date and was prepared to go into work when he was told on Friday, April 3, 2009, that the offer to return to work was being withdrawn for ‘abandoning his job,'” Kimball said. “Cummings in the last two months has had to deal not only with the disappearance of his daughter Haleigh, but also false muckraking allegations by attorney Kim Picazio, representing Crystal Sheffield.”
Kimball said they are consulting with a Daytona firm that specializes in labor and employment law over possible legal action over his termination.
Kimball also denies that Cummings ever threatened anyone connected with PDM Bridge.
Custody of Haleigh and her younger brother was awarded to Ronald Cummings because he had a steady job and could provide health insurance for the children — something a Putnam County family court judge found Sheffield, their mother, could not.
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Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 2:26 pm Robin- I think if PDM had security they would not have asked for the sheriff’s presence when they let Ron go.
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IMO That Company fired Ron without good cause and IMO that is why they “thought” they needed police presence.
Alexandria Loring said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Does Ron or any member of his family acknowledge Amber’s child as belonging to Ron?
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They say it “could be” Ronald’s child.
There was never a paternity test. Apparently, Ronald arranged a private test between him and Amber, and Amber didn’t show up at the testing facility. Sounds like she didn’t want the test done, imo.
The state has not gone after Ronald for child support, probably because he is not listed on the birth certificate. If he was, then the state would go after him for any services the child was receiving.
TexMoM,
alot don’t like this guys info but I believe it so make your own Judgements!!!!!!
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Here are a few disturbing failures of Florida law enforcement that no longer appear to be just God-awful horrible police work, but rather, criminal in its intent.
After arriving at the crime-scene, the PCSO (1) would not release their two tracking dogs from the vehicle despite pleas from the child’s grandmother, Teresa Neves (that is stomach churning) (2) dragged the child’s bedding outside and hung it on the railing (completely contaminating the evidence) rendering it useless at any subsequent trial (3) did not take into evidence either house door (until many days later) therefore losing any chance to find finger-prints on the door that could point to the intruder with enough integrity to hold up in court (4) failed to look into a nearby dumpster until many days later, (5) lost the door after they finally did decide to take it into evidence.
Those types of failures do not happen accidently – they are done on purpose.
Go through them one by one and a clear picture emerges:
They did not release the tracking dogs because they were afraid of what the dogs might find. HaLeigh’s grandma, Teresa Neves, kept asking the officers why they were not setting the dogs loose and she was essentially ignored (who gave the orders to keep the dogs in vehicle?) That is too unbelievable for words. They told Neves they were waiting for dogs to come from Jacksonville. If HaLeigh had been lying in the woods bleeding to death or freezing she could have died in that time. The PCSO didn’t seem too worried about that though, did they?
They dragged HaLeigh’s bedding out to the railing for the Jacksonville dogs to sniff. That was a crime for its actual intent. They did it to contaminate any and all evidence on the sheets. Why would they do that, you ask? The answer to that question is self-evident. They knew the identity of the abductor and did not want the abductor’s DNA preserved with integrity.
I read in an article that CS did not find about the truancy until the abuse allegations surfaced when she received Haleigh’s school records. Did Crystal ever contact the school BEFORE went missing to guage Haleigh’s progress in school? Did she attend parent-teacher conferences or PTA meetings? It is kind of ironic that Crystal was more interested in Haleigh AFTER her disappearance than she ever was when Haleigh was around.
IMO…………they are keeping rons work details a secret,Misty is the key they need to charge him first?
No ones been arrested for homicide so they can’t release it but imo…….wait and see!!!!!
Funny how Ron lost his way to make a living along with the Croslins. Let u not forget that temporally Cobra did as well.
No one else seemed to be affected by the bad publicity of wrong doings.
they’ve never cleared ron,we assumed they did?
tm39- There are many people fired without cause that don’t scare their employer into asking for LE assistance. Even some who are fired with cause and employers don’t ask for assistance and they probably should have.
This speaks volumes to me especially if they had security on site!
Thank you WhyLie for clearing that up about PDM security.
ron made the statement,due to Haleigh going missing and the economy,he couldn’t find a job??? Never saw him look either but excuse me he had a J-O-B! Just didn’t go back and they fired him 3 days before he was supposed to return to work which tells me he’s caught? jmo
CJ, the thing that concerns me about LE not releasing the dogs is that it was said that the dogs they brought in were the dogs from the facility Crystal’s uncle works at. It was said by Gail St John that Marty told her he used to run the dogs and Crystal’s uncle, his brother, still runs the dogs. We all know what the dog handlers did and I think we can all agree, or at least I would hope we can agree, that them dragging out the bedding and contaminating evidence was not appropriate.
exactly Robin,I know she didn’t give a crap but to make ron again look bad,she would,so i dunno which story is true!
exactly right Whylie!
I don’t care whose evidence was on it,they should have never botched it and its almost obvious,they did!
The camera at PDM had been knocked sideways??
they installed it b/c workers were clocking in for one another!
CJ if Ron was not at work I would have to think that LE would of had this case wrapped up the first 72 hours. Sorry ,Hon he was at work and LE prbably sees no need for it to be continuesly confirmed.
Out of all of these players I truely beleive the only two that LE is sure of were they said they were, is Ron and Crystal.
I would like to know when Crystal is getting a JOB. I don’t think for one minute she has any intention of ever getting gainful employment. I thought the Haleighbug Center was going to be a “career”. I don’t think (my opinion only) that she could pass a drug test. I believe that she abused prescription drugs more than the Croslins/Cummings did, but she never got caught at it or focused on by LE (or it might have very well been the Satsuma SIX).
TexMom,right,PDM asked for a deputy to guard incase ron came back angry about his job?
I know what that tells me,usually ron would fight it,but he just hunkered down,won’t even talk about it?
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm tm39- There are many people fired without cause that don’t scare their employer into asking for LE assistance. Even some who are fired with cause and employers don’t ask for assistance and they probably should have.
This speaks volumes to me especially if they had security on site!
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I never heard Ron doing anythingto deserve that kind of unwelcome.
everybody evidently knows his character? jmo
LMAO Robin,you and me,oh but wait….those nasty ole seizures,damn!
And imo Robin,she’s still a drugger!
If you go to WS there is a pics sticky and the parking is on the otherside of the guards booth. You park then walk by the guard. jmo
I found it really weird when everyone down there was having siezures. Crystal, Lindsy,Snodgrasses ex wife, and then there was Hanks weird episode with the pill Ron gave him.
Just too wierd. jmo
UCN: 542009CF000154XXAXMX
File Date: 01/27/2009
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty:
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: BROOKS, AMBER
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
01/27/2009 1 ARREST REPORT – PCSO D/S C GUY (AR 1/26/09)
01/27/2009 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-0375
01/27/2009 1 POSSESSION CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE SCHEDULE II
01/27/2009 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 1/26/09
01/27/2009 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
01/27/2009 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
01/27/2009 2 $1504.00 SECURED BOND SET
01/27/2009 3 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
01/27/2009 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
01/28/2009 5 $1504.00 VALENTINE BAIL BONDS – #02280851
01/28/2009 5 ACCREDITED SURETY & CASUALTY COMPANY
02/20/2009 6 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (ALL CTS)
A interesting read.
Unless you were there dont pretent to know what happened and who paid who.
People had things to gain and others things to loose.
I say hire new outside people and go back to the start.
Maybe just maybe HaLeigh deserves true justice.
Seems to me the only people she loved cant be bothered to speak about her anymore.
Did they get what they had to gain and make out like a pack of wolfs??
Read and see what you think the odds are that maybe the wrong family is being looked at here and the guilty might be sitting back and remaining silent for a good reason.
http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/Object_1429486_0.PDF
UCN: 542009CF000699XXAXMX
File Date: 04/21/2009
Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Case Status: CASE CLOSED
Defense Atty: GENNUSA, ANNE MARIE
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: BROOKS, AMBER
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
04/21/2009 1 ARREST REPORT – DS/C BOHANNON 4-20-09
04/21/2009 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-01568 4-20-09
04/21/2009 1 POSSESSION OF COCAINE
04/21/2009 1 INTRODUCTION OF CONTRABAND INTO CORRECTIONAL FACILITY
04/21/2009 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
04/21/2009 3 $1004.00 A-1 24 HR BOND POSTED – #62171349 4-20-09
04/21/2009 4 $1004.00 A-1 24 HR BOND POSTED – $62171346
04/21/2009 4 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY
05/05/2009 5 ARREST REPORT – BOND SURRENDERED
05/05/2009 5 ARREST DATE:05/01/2009
05/05/2009 6 $1504.00 CHUCK’S BAIL BOND-#808474 (05/01/2009)
05/05/2009 6 CONTINENTAL HERITAGE INSURANCE COMPANY
05/05/2009 7 $1004.00 CHUCK’S BAIL BOND-#808475 (05/01/2009)
05/05/2009 7 CONTINENTAL HERITAGE INSURANCE COMPANY
05/13/2009 8 INFORMATION (POSSESSION OF COCAINE)
05/13/2009 9 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (INTRO OF CONTRABAND
05/13/2009 9 INTO PENAL INSTITUTION ONLY)
05/13/2009 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06/01/2009)
05/13/2009 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (06/01/2009)
05/26/2009 12 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED, NO SUCH STREET
06/01/2009 13 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT NOT PRESENT IN COURT
06/01/2009 13 COURT ORDERED BOND ESTREATED AND A CAPIAS
06/01/2009 13 BOND SET AT NONE
06/05/2009 14 NOTICE OF FORFEITURE – COPY TO BONDSMAN AND SURETY
06/05/2009 15 CAPIAS ISSUED – BOND SET AT NONE
06/09/2009 16 ORDER OF ESTREATURE BOND #808474
06/09/2009 16 RECORDED IN OFFICIAL RECORDS INSTRUMENT #200954678943
08/17/2009 17 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
08/17/2009 18 ARREST REPORT – FTA – POSS OF COCAINE
08/17/2009 19 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
08/17/2009 19 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
08/17/2009 19 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
08/17/2009 19 BOND SET AT NONE
08/17/2009 20 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
08/17/2009 21 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
08/17/2009 22 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09/01/2009) IN JAIL
09/01/2009 23 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,
09/01/2009 23 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,
09/01/2009 23 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 10/15/2009.
09/01/2009 24 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
09/01/2009 25 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
09/01/2009 26 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 10/15/2009
09/01/2009 27 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT FOR DRUG COURT 10/15/2009
09/15/2009 28 DEFT NOT TRANSPORTED, CASE CONTINUED UNTIL 9/23/09
09/16/2009 29 DEFT NOT TRANSPORTED, CASE CONTINUED UNTIL 9/23/09
09/30/2009 30 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY KEN
09/30/2009 30 ULICH,TREATMENT WILL SCREEN FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE,PUBLIC
09/30/2009 30 DEFENDER TO MEET WITH CLIENT, NEXT HEARING SET 10/7/09
09/30/2009 31 NOTICE GIVEN TO DEFENDANT IN COURT FOR NEXT COURT DATE
10/07/2009 32 DRUG COURT HEARING MINUTES: DEFENDANT PRESENT, DEFT MET WITH
10/07/2009 32 PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED
10/07/2009 32 APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT
10/07/2009 32 PROGRAM, DEFT WILL FOLLOW TRADITIONAL COURT DOCKET
10/07/2009 33 MOTION TO WITHDRAW AND APPOINT REGIONAL CONFLICT
10/07/2009 33 COUNSEL
10/14/2009 36 ORDER ALLOWING PUBLIC DEFENDER TO WITHDRAW AND
10/14/2009 36 APPOINTING REGIONAL CONFLICT COUNSEL
10/15/2009 34 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY STEPHANIE PARK
10/15/2009 34 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
10/15/2009 34 CONTINUED TO 10/27/2009
10/19/2009 35 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10/27/2009) IN JAIL
10/23/2009 37 FAXED MOTION TO WITHDRAW FROM REPRESENTATION
10/26/2009 38 MOTION TO WITHDRAW
10/26/2009 39 CERTIFICATION OF CONFLICT BY OFFICE OF REGIONAL
10/26/2009 39 CRIMINAL AND CIVIL CONFLICT, 5TH DISTRICT
10/27/2009 40 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY ANGELA DELARIDIS
10/27/2009 40 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
10/27/2009 40 CONTINUED TO 11/10/2009
10/29/2009 41 INMATE REQUEST SLIP
10/29/2009 42 ORDER ALLOWING THE OFFICE OF CRIMINAL CONFLICT AND
10/29/2009 42 CIVIL REGIONAL COUNSEL WITHDRAW, APPOINTINT ANNE
10/29/2009 42 MARIE GENNUSA, ESQ
10/29/2009 43 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (11/10/2009)
10/29/2009 44 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (11/10/2009)
11/09/2009 45 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT RETURNED
11/10/2009 46 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT NOT PRESENT
11/10/2009 46 CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 11/25/2009
11/12/2009 47 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (11/25/2009) IN JAIL
11/20/2009 48 SCORESHEET FILED
11/20/2009 49 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY ANNE GENNUSA
11/20/2009 49 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO AS CHARGED TO
11/20/2009 49 POSSESSION OF COCAINE
11/20/2009 49 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE
11/20/2009 49 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING –
11/20/2009 49 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
11/20/2009 49 120 DAYS PCJ WITH 99 DAYS CREDIT
11/20/2009 49 $395 COURT COSTS
11/20/2009 49 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE
11/20/2009 49 $20 TO THE CRIME STOPPERS TRUST FUND
11/20/2009 49 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE
11/20/2009 49 $100 COST OF PROSECUTION
11/20/2009 49 $15 TO THE ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE TRUST FUND
11/20/2009 49 ALL COSTS ENTERED AS A CIVIL LIEN
11/20/2009 50 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT
12/07/2009 51 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE
12/07/2009 52 CHARGES, COSTS, AND FEES ASSOCIATED WITH SENTENCE
12/07/2009 52 RECORDED INST#200954693458
12/08/2009 53 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE AS TO JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE
I think half the population if not more would like a job in Florida. My son is almost out of college and cant even find summer help in my State. Not a big deal if Crystal cant find work most others cant either.jmo
I can’t find anything on Ambers child?
texasmommy39 said,in June 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm CJ if Ron was not at work I would have to think that LE would of had this case wrapped up the first 72 hours. Sorry ,Hon he was at work and LE prbably sees no need for it to be continuesly confirmed.
Out of all of these players I truely beleive the only two that LE is sure of were they said they were, is Ron and Crystal.
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Omit cs name and I agree,lol jmo
imo,ron and tn are the only 2 who know the truth…jmo!
right Tobias,cs addmitted shes too lazy to get up with kids,lol
makes ya wonder,didn’t anybody ever wonder why cs failed a drug test she knew she’d be given……hmmmm maybe she didn’t want custody????????
no way would she stole Haleigh…..jmo but if she did it wasn’t for herself!
she even pointed out she can’t drive to appts,lol duh people,she didn’t want custody!
I’ll bbl for my chewing out,lol gotta run to da store!
Tobias–I am sure most people would like a job in Florida. I would assume your college grad does not have children or other mouths to feed (just assuming), nor did he owe back child support either. I am just saying that for all the things Ron did wrong, Crystal was no saint. Just my opinion though.
CathyJo63 said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
The camera at PDM had been knocked sideways??
they installed it b/c workers were clocking in for one another!
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There were thumbscans in place the night HaLeigh disappeared. No one was able to clock in nor out for anyone else.
Perhaps that was a problem in the past and that was the reason that PDM went to thumbscans, but they were in place on Feb 9-10, 2009. I have heard people say they didn’t go in until after Ronald left PDM, that is not true. They were definitely there while Ronald was working there.
Before the Plant that Ron worked at became PDM it was Sheffield Steel. Any relation to Crystal?
I just looked at the pics of PDM. Presuming the photographer was not inside PDM grounds, parking is past the guard shack in an area surrounded by fencing, so they would have to drive past the guard shack to the parking area.
There are some vehicles parked, what appears to be, outside that area, but only a few and may not be employee vehicles.
CathyJoe–Maybe Crystal did not want custody, but I can guarantee, that she did not like Misty raising her children. And for all intents and purposes, most people that were around the children said they loved Misty. I believe Crystal could have been jealous of the children’s adoration for Misty. No I do not think Crystal abducted Haleigh, not on her own. But I do believe a seed could have been planted for someone to do her a “favor”.
WhyLie- Can someone walk pass the guard without being seen to a vehicle parked nearby?
Even if CS did not want custody there are people in her family that DID NOT want Ron to have custody. I think that is where motive comes in. Even though Ron and Crystal still had an on again/off again relationship, possibly right up until Haleigh disappeared, there are members of Crystals family that hated Ron.
Alex, anything is possible I suppose, like if the guard was not doing his/her job, sleeping or something. It is my understanding that PDM was a high security business and that is why LE was able to confirm that Ron was at work that night for his entire shift and why LE has said several times that they do not believe Ron (and Crystal) had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.
I know I’m new here but I find it very odd that CS dont mention a word of her missing daughter any place now that she got custudy of jr.
Nor do her family who couldnt get on t.v. often enough in the past.
Soon as Misty and Ronald where jailed it has almost become silent.
I believe now CS has maybe not taken Haleigh but know’s where her family may have sent her too.
They would have much to gain, (her family members that I mean)
They would see Haleigh was safe and not with a 17 yr old and a man they hated.
They would regain custody of Jr and therefore not owe child support.
It was a win win for them if they relocated Haleigh.
WhyLie- We had a High Security Plant out here also! Rancho Seco Nuclear Power Plant. It’s been shut down for some time now and if you don’t believe someone could have gotten around the security at PDM you probably won’t beleive all that went on at Rancho Seco!
WhyLie and Alex, I owe you both a Thank You for answering my questions to you. Thanks, Alex; Thanks, WhyLie.
CathyJo, that crack crack was hilarious and totally impressive.
JenM, I don’t think Tommy did it because I think he would have confessed by now. Ronald had to put a rat in his mailbox to keep him quiet and saying that he went to the home and pounded on the door that night showed that he is weak.
Cate- You’re welcome!
Cathy, Do you know what Chelsea maiden name is?
Seems hse has kept it pretty secret, I havent found it in any articles. Just wanted to check Flagler dockets for her. jmo
Alex I am sure that people can breach security but I also think that LE is satisfied that Ron was at work for his entire shift that night. I just can’t seem him sneaking out for hours and not being missed. Supposedly there was a big delivery and that is why Ron had to work from 12 to 3. If that is true then I would think somebody would have noticed their crane operator was not there to empty the barge.
The timing for Ron to have left and done something to/with Haleigh just does not fit for him to have snuck away from work, imo.
One more question about Ron’s job- Is it Union?
My uncle was a steel worker in Pennsyvania and that Union was tough! I don’t think it would let a union worker to get fired with cause much less without cause!
The child support issue was brought on by the state. It has been my experience here, that CS still owes the state the back child support if they choose to pursue it.
CJ: Strange statement from Ron’s attorney, denying that Ron had threatened anyone @ PDM. Don’t you think that’s a weird statement? I hadn’t heard about that. And you’re right, goes to character.
Amber’s son is in the custody of Amber’s grandmother. Sometime after HaLeigh went missing, can’t remember exactly when, the grandmother called police to report that Ron was lurking around her residence and she feared that he was trying to get to the baby. Amber was there when this took place and claimed to have seen Ron outside of the residence with 2 other people. Strange incident. What was that all about? Was he trying to “steal” Amber’s son? I get the feeling that this grandmother doesn’t take Ron’s crap.
IMO
Heys guys anything new found in your digging around? I was in first thing this morning but had to chance up on some errands and chores around here.
tobias, Chelsea Bergen
Anyone who thinks PDM is high security needs to go look at the pictures page on WS. tHE SECURITY IS A JOKE. JMO
WhyLie,
I looked all over for the report in new
paper in fl. and can’t find it.
I won’t post anything any more unless I
have a article to back it up.
I posted it the day I saw it and no one
seemed to care. but now Ive forgotten
where it was at.
I don’t think Ron’s employer is part of the
UAW. That union has been combined to include
auto workers, steel workers and coal miners.
My father retired from United States Steel
but was a Coal Miner. United Mined coal and
manufactured steel and then sold it to the auto makers.
I think they manfacture some kind of steel infastructure for bridges
i HAVE WORKED AT HIGH SECURITY, YOU HAVE A CARD TO OPEN GATES. This place is so lax anyone could enter the property under a gate. Like Isaid go look at the pics. jmo
TY wHYLIE.
tobias there were no pictures of the inside of PDM. It is said they have camera’s inside, thumb print scans to get in and out of doors and for the time clock, and security on the river. Looking at a few pics of the outside really doesn’t give a clear pic of the type of security they have, imo.
YW, tobias.
Misty was exhausted and strung out that night. I think after AS left she got the kids ready for bed. They all laid down in the big bed. While watching a movie I think Haleigh wet the bed. Misty may have gotten furious and grabbed Haleigh out of the bed. Misty herself said she would not sleep with a blanket that smelled like pee. It seems possible to me that Haleigh was having a tantrum like fit as Misty took her pajama’s off to throw them in the wash with the blanket. Did Misty lose control and get violent? Did she throw Haleigh and she hit her head on impact?
I think this is the part where Misty gets cloudy and weak in her admissions. Misty said the kids bedtime is 8:00pm on school nights. Misty talked to Ronald at 8:30pm, this is when he went outside of the job to talk to her. She mentions a blanket being left in the Van and another being taken off the window. She also says she placed a sheet over Haleigh, did the laundry and went to bed about 10:00pm. If Misty was up doing laundry from 8:30pm till 10:00pm why did she shut her phone off? I would really like to know what she told LE about that. She elaborated about the blankets, the pee smell, the laundry. Why doesn’t she elaborate about the phone call with Ron and shutting off her phone? In fact I don’t even think she mentions it in the interviews. Why? What was said in that call that made her shut her phone and Ronald redial her so many times? I would really like to know what Ronald told LE about that conversation too. I’ve yet to hear him elaborate on it either.
Wondering if CJ has any articles referring to the call?
Misty ends with she went to sleep at 10:00pm and next woke up about 3:00 something.
I think that call is a vital piece of the puzzle, and it’s obvious from Misty and Ronalds lack of detail that they are hiding an important clue to this mystery.
J M O
Tobias I agree with the security at PDM. You normally don’t have to check out when you leave only when you check in a place. Now I tell you I retired as a military contractor. If security don’t check you going off bases why the heck would this manfacturer need too. I ain’t buying the tight security thing either. The only reason I would think they would need this if it happens to be a super safety sensitive environment.
A drug addict is a crane operator? How’d he get away with that? Maybe that’s why they didn’t want him back…….IMO
I live in a state that is “at will”, employers don’t need any reason at all to fire any employee. It sucks but it’s a fact.
Good afternoon/early evening everyone.
I spent quite a bit of time scouring for information of any type that proves that the thumb scanner equipment was installed prior to Haleigh’s disappearance and other than hearsay from a few bloggers I have found no other information about it.
I had even read where some people suggested that there were issues with their computers and information was handwritten in a log book instead.
Would be nice to have factual information to go on regarding this subject.
jmo
CS dont owe a dime in support read above link someone paid it off for her months ago.
Let me know if you do find it Cricket. I will look for it as well.
Tuff I read the same thing. Security was beefed up after the Haleigh’s disappearence
with a scanner.
COOP, Its just a small part of the real PDM.
I dont see the need for security except for scrap theives. The need for the time clocks speaks for itself and we have been told the clocks were not in place until after Haleigh was gone. I believe this because they are very new product and my hubbys job just got them last year. Even Rons lawyer said they were not there yet. jmo
texasmommy39 said,in June 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm CJ if Ron was not at work I would have to think that LE would of had this case wrapped up the first 72 hours. Sorry ,Hon he was at work and LE prbably sees no need for it to be continuesly confirmed.
Out of all of these players I truely beleive the only two that LE is sure of were they said they were, is Ron and Crystal.
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and 30 or so sex offenders..
how are that many SOs CLEARED when they can’t figure out if misty was home or not?
LE’s request for info on misty’s whereabouts that night proves that.
And when you have these clocks it takes time for every employee to be put into the system. Ron never makes a statement about the time clocks and if it were that way you can bet he would have. jmo
Ron was at work and no matter what is said about PDM and Rons character, it is not going to change that fact.
LE did clear Ron and Crystal a long time ago.
IMO Ron,Misty,Tommy and Joe are innocent of HaLeighs abduction.
I also do not believe Crystal abducted HaLiegh or hid her personally, but, knows exactly who did.
and if it wasn’t that way you can bet that KP and Cobra would have been all over it, screaming it from the rooftops.
Tobias, I agree.
Tobias- I think you’re right, Ron or his attorney would have released a copy of that time card, if indeed there was one!
OJ- I think I’m cleared too, but I haven’t asked!
My jobs that I have had, will have security come and walk you out. One of my last jobs, where almost everyone was laid off, they had the police there in case anyone got violent. Being told your job is dissolved is huge. We read all the time about disgruntled workers and sometimes they act out. This is the norm in the US that I know of.
KP was Crystal’s attny. for Child custody and support issues as well as public represetnation correct?
I do not believe that LE would be supplying critical information regarding a possible criminal investigation under the circumstances unless, the leaked information was done intentionally as a possible investigative tool.
It was said by Cobra himself that in thebeginning he couldn’t get any one of the investigators to call him back. Then we see that Cobra has been ousted from the county by kegal means.
Do you truly believe that LE would be supplying Cobra with potentially critical information even after all that?
Seems proposterous imvho.
Well, we all have our opinions and even with “facts” we have to be suspicious. Facts are not always what they seem either. Ive said this before: The ONLY fact we have is that “Haliegh is Missing”. Period.
OMG Kegal means? LOLOL!
I meant legal means!
(My conscience and subconscience is clear!)
JenM- and a lot of lies are being told by so many connected to her!
Tobias I feel better with a Ron Theory with those facts. I don’t care if LE cleared him the
first go round. He got out of there somehow. He is still a POS if after he could not get anyone to check on his children that he didn’t
leave anyway. He could have told a supervisor and left. You bettcha he left to check and she where Misty was and why she wasn’t minding.
Tuff, I gotthe butt of your mispelling joke lol.
COOP what if Ron didn’t call somebody to check on Misty and the kids. What if he did indeed just call Tommy to see if Misty was there?
I believe the stop at the store may have been a back up in case it was questioned on when he clocked out. I have seen many reports on the blogs about the problem with the time clocks and seeing as how they changed to print recognition it only proves the problem was there. jmo
PDM request additional security when they terminated Ron. However, Mr Cummings caused no issues.
I still think the case is not as complicated as we try to make it. Ron was at work, Misty was sleeping (or not home), Tommy was at the MH. Now for me the question is why (or for whom) did Tommy take Haleigh, and what did he do with her once he did take her. Remember nobody was at home at Lisa and Hanks house, right around the corner from Shell Harbor.
If we only had those cell phone records, we could probably solve this case, eliminate or add suspects!
Coop
Just for wanting to honery I almost asked
you give the meaning Of Kegal.
Yep, I think the store thing is a little strange myself. Misty, didn’t anwser the phone and control freaked picked her up a pack of smokes on the way home from work. She was having a nicotine fit along with him and he need a beer at 3am to calm him down. That is strange to me……but what do I know if this is normal…..
Did I make a typo Cricket. The older I get the worse I type.
Why lie, Lisa and hank had not lived at that residence for some time. They were living with Tommy and Lindsy they didnt even have a car. The car accident was in Timmys car. jmo
It seems odd to me that Kimball would deny that Ron Cummings had ever threatened anyone connected with PDM Bridge if it were fact that he was never accused of such an incident to begin with.
Does anyone know why Rons lawyers bailed and Shoemaker took over? jmo
tobias I believe they moved in with Tommy after Haleigh went missing. Prior to Hank’s accident he was working and they were living in a MH near Shell Harbor. Hank was riding with Timmy in Timmy’s car when the accident happened.
Whylie, Ron’s personality does not indicate that he would think old Misty is just sleeping and I am checking on her. That don’t fly with me. I don’t beleive the talking heads but I do
think there was more than 1 phone to her cell
and hers to his that night. I am not for sure
she wasn’t slipping in the back door and stepped right into this mess. I think Ron was there during work hours and got angry and did something. I also think his mother is part of this mess. You do know that as strong as I feel
about that today it could change tommorrow .
Tobias, I think they lived on Magnolia and there are pics of the MH posted on WS.
COOP, I understand how learning new things, or relooking at old things, can make us change our mind. I pray everyday that somebody has taken her and hidden her away, and she will be found alive.
WhyLie- Amen to that!
Thanks for reminding me to do my kegals, lol.
Gotta run, you guys have a nice talk this evening. Remember to do your kegals while typing, lol.
Whylie as far as Haleigh being found alive I totally agree that would be my dream as well.
However, if Haleigh is being loved and not abused I pray they keep her.
Sometimes, I think what if they did find her
with a couple that dotes on her. Would it be right to return the kid to that mess.
Whylie as far as Haleigh being found alive I totally agree that would be my dream as well.
However, if Haleigh is being loved and not abused I pray they keep her.
Sometimes, I think what if they did find her
with a couple that dotes on her. Would it be right to return the kid to that mess.
If the Ron Theory proves right he had a partner in crime. It could have been Mom or GGM
Anybody else would not have covered for him like this. That is one reason I just don’t think it’s the Croslins they would have sang like birds. If it’s a Croslin I think they acted alone.
COOP even “if” Haleigh had been taken and given to a good family what has been done is against the law. IMVHO It would be hypocrit to think it would be ok to steal a Child no matter what the circumstances. There are legal means available.
COOP I equate it to being the same as people illegally taking children from 3rd world countries and placing them with loving adoptive families in the U.S.
It is wrong and inexcusable regardless if the people believe that the child/children would be better off.
The right thing would be for Haleigh to be returned to her family and for her parents to receive help in being better parents to her. IMO.
I 100% agree with your last post Whylie.
One thing that has bothered me also is the missing nebulizer, Ron doesnt even say when he saw it last. Was it there and is just now missing or did it get lost in the move? You would think as expensive as it is he would know.
I wonder if thats some of the evidence found down at the docks? Could be. jmo
tobias, I thought that Kimball/Snider only represented him wrt child custody issues. And I thought you were the one I learned that from! 😀
(kegaling as I type)
Sadly I do not believe that is the situation in this case. I hope that it were the case no matter what I believe has happened.
Oh, here is something I’ve been meaning to tell you all about. I have an acquaintance who is one of those “human lie detectors.” She is not a close friend but I did feel comfortable asking her what she thought about Sheriff Hardy when he made the statement about “feeling comfortable to go ahead and call it a homicide investigation.” She told me that he may have been lying when he said that.
Cate (aka Kate, boy do I fall out of the loop fast..
First, I wasn’t aware that Lindzy ever filed a complaint on Cobra… wow where have I been.. and two when did ron complain about tim and his phone calls..
Sometimes it seems I blink and things are going on I’m not aware of..
Someone please fill me in…
Nope not me, but I did look into Shoemaker today, he didnt start practicing law until 2000 and before that he was a athletic physical therapist with the Astros. Not as high profile as I thought. jmo
tobias, Has there been talk about the nebulizer? I missed that. When did Ronald talk about it? Really wierd.
“From the time of Haleigh’s disappearance,” his Palatka, Fla. attorneys said in a press release Thursday, “Ronald Cummings was told that his employer was holding his job open…that he could start back to work on Monday, April 6, 2009.
“Ronald agreed to this date and was prepared to go in to work when he was told on Friday, April 3, 2009 that the offer to return to work was being withdrawn for “abandoning his job.”
After he was fired, PDM asked for deputies with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department to cruise the sprawling yard of the respected steel fabricator and engineering construction firm, a mere precaution to avert potential violence from terminated employees.
Cars patrolled for several days without a Ronald siting, or an incident, police tell me.
“It’s a judgment call you make sometimes,” PDM human resources director Tony McCauley told The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview Friday from headquarters in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
“Ronald expressed his displeasure with the company for going back on its word, but at no time threatened anyone,” his attorney’s said in their release.
“We are obviously very sympathetic to the tragedy that happened,” McCauley told me, adding that PDM was “very patient” with Cummings, but was never notified if or when he would return. He confirmed Ronald had recently finished a 3-month probationary trial period for new employees, but never filed an official request for a leave of absence to keep the job open.
“If an employee applies for a leave in a hardship situation like that, we try to work with them,” he told me, “but when we realized that hadn’t happened, we had to move on…There are a lot of people out there calling us for jobs, begging us for jobs, and that’s what some people probably don’t understand.
“You try to be as patient as you can; we held the job open for some time, but you have to draw the line with an employer-employee relationship. I can’t imagine what the family must be going through, but we are also running a business.”
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mlee, Turns out I was wrong about Lindsy filing a complaint about Cobra, nothing was ever filed. I can’t remember now where I read about that. The story was that PCSO was receiving complaints about Cobra and it turned out that the complaints were from Lindsy and Tommy, communicated by Lindsy, that Cobra was pressuring them to say that Misty was at their house that night? It must be write_into_action, has to be.
As for harassing phone calls from Timmy to Ronald, somebody posted that docket on here a couple of days ago. OK, now THAT was you, tobias, right?
Tuff you are right and of course Haleigh loves her family weather I like them or not. I just
get a case of the azz at her family sometimes.
lol Cate! TMI though! LMAO! It was a simple typo folks! Sheesh!
I need that embarrassed face smiley now.
🙁
Early on TN and Ron said on NG that Haleighs Portable nebulizer was missing. Then it was never brought up again. This thing is about as big as a small shoe box. Google it. I just thought this could be some evidence that was found. We keep trying to figure out what was found at the dock and what AS and TN would have gone down there to search for.jmo
PRESS RELEASE
April 6, 2009
This press release is in response to the Sunday, April 5, 2009 Florida Times Union article on the Haleigh Cummings case.
The headline of the article was “Family Feud Takes Focus off Search for Haleigh.” Both Ronald Cummings, the father of Haleigh, and Crystal Sheffield, the mother of Haleigh, were blamed equally.
The reporter for the Florida Times Union failed to give a proper perspective on this issue.
A few facts need to be clarified:
1. It was Crystal Sheffield who chose to launch a Department of Children and Families (DCF) investigation about Ronald Cummings, as part of preparation for a custody battle over Ronald Cummings, Jr., rather than focus on the search for Haleigh.
2. Crystal Sheffield got attorney Kim Picazio from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida to represent her. Attorney Picazio has been on television at every opportunity seeking publicity for herself and about family law issues.
3. Attorney Kim Picazio has admitted on television that the so-called investigator William E. Staubs, who refers to himself as “COBRA,” is a personal friend. Cobra arrived in Putnam County from Ft. Lauderdale [sic] shortly after Haleigh went missing and has been feeding information to Picazio and some media.
4. Ronald Cummings had to obtain legal counsel in self defense of the public allegations by Sheffield-Picazio, and also regarding Sheffield-Picazio allegations to DCF.
5. That Kimball & Snider, P.A. only got involved in this case on March 18, 2009, approximately five weeks after Haleigh went missing. Our initial press release (a copy of which follows) of March 19, 2009, in paragraph three (3) stated that Sheffield-Picazio allegations about family law manners were detracting from the search for Haleigh.
6. That Kimball & Snider, P.A. got involved in this case because Ronald Cummings, at the urging of a family member, called our Palatka office. Palatka is about five miles from Satsuma where Ronald resided.
7. Kimball & Snider, P.A. has responded through press releases to rebut and correct Sheffield-Picazio allegations. We have not appeared on national tv or even given any interviews to local media.
8. Kimball & Snider, P.A. has provided information on a confidential basis to DCF and Putnam County Sheriff’s Office (PCSO) about this case, and will continue to act responsibly to assist DCF and PCSO.
(Signed)
Greg Kimball
Just looked into the nebulizer issue, just a bit, though. Only saw it in comments in Art Harris site so still wondering who the source is who knows it was missing. I think it is very suspicious that it is missing. Not something you could get quick cash for, I wouldn’t think. Who would steal a nebulizer? Seems the only possibilities are that it was taken along with HaLeigh so that she could use it or that it was somehow used to deliver something that killed her? Really wondering about this one.
Robin- If Ron had just been working at PDM for a little over three months what steady job did he have that convinced the Judge that he could provide for the children?
This “what if” thought has crossed my mind also that maybe possibly there were some type of physical injury done to Haleigh prior to RC leaving for work. If true what if this injury were highly visable and highly suspicious enough to call DCF back into the picture?
Would the school have called LE or DCF or both if they had a student walk in with a black eye, cut or bruised face, lips, arms, legs, torso etc…?
Haleigh could not miss any more days at school as there were already truancy issues.
The only problem I have with this scenario is the reward monies and considering the current economy I would think that someone would have said something by now if they had seen anything even remotely suspicious of this nature imvho.
Cate,
About your friend I’ve wondered why Dr.
Lillian Glass and this Peter guy on the
show with Simmon doesn’t read the LE live
interviews after all, they are just mere
humans as we are.
How would anyone taking Haleigh know where it was at? Remember in the Sheffield theory they even had to turn on lights to find where Haleigh was. They would have to gain access to the deadbolt on the door brick it enter turn on a light, find Haleigh, find the nebulizer, undress Haleigh, all without waking Misty and Junior. And this person has never been in the MH. tOO MUCH FOR ME TO GO WITH THAT THEORY. JMO
Cate interesting about Hardy. I found that presser and the status change of the case, very odd.
I can’t find anything by a reliable source, about the nebulizer being missing.
or if someone from the CS family was watching and saw Misty leave the childern alone and went to the door and Haleigh opened it. Jr might have been sleeping. Misty might have not been there or knocked out.
If it was someone Haleigh knew she might have opened the front door and allowed the person in and they thought quick this was thier chance.
Maybe Misty returned before they could get Jr.
jmo
Go to the NG transcripts its all there she asked Ron about it on the show. TN and Ron both said it was missing. But no one asked if it was there that night or when they last saw it. I think it was lost in the move but they wanted everyone to think someone took it when they took Haleigh. I will go see if I can find the article about it. jmo bbl
tobias any idea of a date, or close to, that it was said on NG?
So LE has this guy, Tommy who is currently in jail who has the support of his legal representation that publically state something to the affect that they are confident with what their client, Tommy, has to say to LE regarding Haleigh being deceased, thrown into the river etc…
It’s a legal snare imo, however, the search produced no body as far as we nobodies know. Otherwise arrests would have been made?
That’s not necessarily true though because even if LE had obtained some type of evidence it is the responsibility of LE to form a solid case against the actual perpetrator.
And since no arrests have been made, the sunshine law does not apply, therefor there is no way to determine whether evidence had been found or not?
I think if there was a body, or body parts found, that LE would have had to tell the family. I don’t think that LE could withhold that info from the family, at least I would hope not.
I wonder as I sit here and read this blog how many of you have taken an extra pain pill? How many of us has given a pain pill or 2 away to a friend. The friend might have given us nothing in return but people do stupid things in life. I believe Ronald and Misty are young and stupid. I dont believe they plotted together to murder his little girl. I dont believe they are what some people are calling “drug addicts” I think they might have dabbled in selling some pills cause someone inside the police station set them up. Someone saw they were in need of money and thought if they set them up they would tell where Haliegh is. I really dont believe they know. I believe someone knows, But not the father and maybe not even the mother. But I believe someone in the mothers family or friends has the child. They are well connected in this little town. They are also very good at not telling the truth. LOok at the facts. Her own Lawyer says her family took money from people that is un accounted for. They also would have needed HaLeighs machine.What if her Father done some drugs wasnt he the only one to look after this little girl most of her life.
I have seen alot in my life Im getting old and just for the record I have seen people that smoke some pot. They were and are parnets. I saw some that sold some pot too when they wanted to get thiers for free. The didnt go killing thier childern. This man has been almost accused of everything under the sun but being a man that has a missing child. I dont know when or how but I see this ending for this man in away that might shock alot of people when they find out he had nothing to do with his baby girl missing.
God forgives , Ronald might not and they cant hold him in prison forever.
Thats my thought on the subject.
Just think Van der Sloot will get less time if he gets the max 35 years for murder then what Ronald Cummings will get for being set up for being young stupid and having his daughter stolen.
Now think on that for a minute. Child molesters in your back yards get out in about 10 years. Yet a man with a missing child in our Country can be set up and put in prison for 85 years.
Is this justice?
Is this the justice you all seak and talk about.
Maybe the law’s need to be changed to put the child molesters away 85 years.
If you are set up for selling medicain I think you should go to a rehab and the doctor contacted and records kept that can be traced from state to state of people that doctor shop in order to gain money.
texasmommy39,
LE never disputed the info that the ac man said he saw Haleigh or talk to ron on the phone.. but they never confirmed it either..
we have been told that PCSO was satisfied that ron stayed at work until his shift was over, but Ron is still not cleared as a suspect, but PCSO has never confirmed they were satisfied.
We found out from the news interviews that ggSykes was at the house, but in the interview with the PCSO official, he said they were told that one of the grandmothers had come by the house and saw Haleigh, But he stated, it was TN, not GGSykes.. Was this a mistake on his part? I don’t know..
So, the mountain of info we do not have confirmed, boils down to not knowing for sure if anyone saw Haleigh.. and why do I say that, I have also been advised, the ac man saw no one.. no one was at home.. did he talk to ron?? well he knows ron he used to date and be involved with ron’s cousin… We do know that PCSO stated the AC man was cleared and they never Identify him.
And PCSO did say they had information that lead them to believe misty was not at home that night. You have to wonder… could it have been the ac man confirming that no one was at home.. If thats the case, he could not have seen Haleigh…. she wasn’t there!!!
And the issue over the hole in the fence.. yep, there really is a hole in that fence.. also, the story ron told about going to work an hour early because he always wanted to be there on time.. and we find the employee handbook that says, no employee can be on the premise’s more than 10 minutes prior to shift, and also inclued the parking lot.. so inconsistency, I think so…
So, should a look be taken at Ron? Things I once believed were true, turned into untruth’s.. Comments I once defended, turned into “Wait a minute, maybe I was wrong”..
When I was told that ron called and threatend Chystal on several occasions to be careful in what she said to the media.. I tried to look at that was maybe a warning.. but reality sets in and the wonder.. why would he be warning or threatening her at all. Then we really didn’t pay much attention when ron called misty and warned her or did he threaten her about hanging with Donna Brock?? Now, thats two.. who is this man in charge of these women??
From the jail conversation with his momma, her comment “Do you think she’s gonna Talk”.
Little things like this rather come back and make me wonder..
I watched the interview tape again of ron and misty in new york.. I watched misty responding to the question.. Why are your answers not consistant.. She hesitates and looks at ron, he looks forward and down and clinches his jaw, she moves her eyes forward and down, and says softly.. I don’t know!! She was looking at him for an answer, and his only response was refusing to look at her and to reflect anger by clinching his jaw.. Now, how could he have helped her with that question?? Did he have an Answer to give that she didn’t??
texasmommy39, one element, we were never told anything as to ron’s reaction to the company when they terminated him.. He could have acted out and we were never told.. Media didn’t follow him to the job… It’s quite possible he made threats.. you know the boy has a temper, and that temper can certainly flair when things don’t go his way….
Agree Mlee! lol
Where did everyone go ? one minute I can’t
keep up next everyone’s gone.
Family straightens up in Cummings home while others prepare to move vigil site
Published: Friday, March 6, 2009 1:29 AM EST
Neves said family members missed a certain item while cleaning inside the Cummings home. “There is something missing from the trailer that should be there,” she said. “I don’t know if it was taken for evidence or whoever took Haleigh took it.”
The missing item belongs to Haleigh, she said. “It’s something that should always be there for her,” she said.
Neves said she could not explain what the item was because of the ongoing investigation. Shauland said he had no idea what Neves was talking about, when authorities removed items as evidence a receipt for each item was issued to the family.[/b]
Article:
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/arti…ews/news01.txt
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 12th, 2010 at 5:25 pm Just looked into the nebulizer issue, just a bit, though. Only saw it in comments in Art Harris site so still wondering who the source is who knows it was missing. I think it is very suspicious that it is missing. Not something you could get quick cash for, I wouldn’t think. Who would steal a nebulizer? Seems the only possibilities are that it was taken along with HaLeigh so that she could use it or that it was somehow used to deliver something that killed her? Really wondering about this one.
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Or was used to give her drugs thru ot for themselves as a bong or to throw the investigation toward someone else? jmo
tobias, I’m thinking on the nebulizer issue. You have a good point, how would the abductor know where the nebulizer is kept, maternal family or otherwise. It makes more sense that RC and TN are deceiving us.
About waking anybody up, I am a heavy sleeper, like Misty may be, and it is easy for me to sleep through things (an earthquake, for example.) Add her drug and alcohol use and it would be easy for her to sleep through it. I’m not saying that I think she did, I just think that she could have. Supposedly Jr. did wake up, “a man in black took my sissy…”
remember the nebulizer at the fake search site,everyone said inhaler but in the articles it says Nebulizer”
Cathy, I just watched the misty and ron today show in new york again and its really worth rewatching. He is pissed off , watch his leg at the end. He didnt get the nice treatment like he got on NG. tHEY BOTH LIED ON THAT SHOW, THEY SAID THEY BOTH PASSED THEIR ldts AND rON ONCE AGAIN SAYS iwas at werk AND HE SAID jOHN mERCHANT SAID mISTY ISNT A SUSPECT.
LOL Yeah right Ronnie. jmo
Cricket, no neither one ever called the authorities when ron and js were grabbing the kids back and forth.. they settled between themselves.. didn’t want the law brought in, after all ron was leaving the kids there willingly at times.. So, what could he say,
“Hey, I let them raise my kids for awhile and then decided to take them back!”
No LE, and no taking each other to court.. and you have to remember, JS was a big part in the investigation against ron in Dec, that was resolved in February. But, it didn’t go in the Bio Mom’s Family’s direction.. Haleigh was still there, and they had no control.. Plus, the investigation brought to lite, the issue of the child support.. Something down inside of me says, the Family felt as if the system was failing Haleigh… If you take everything involved, you have too really wonder how concerned JS and Connie were for Haleigh’s wellbeing..
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 12th, 2010 at 5:16 pm mlee, Turns out I was wrong about Lindsy filing a complaint about Cobra, nothing was ever filed. I can’t remember now where I read about that. The story was that PCSO was receiving complaints about Cobra and it turned out that the complaints were from Lindsy and Tommy, communicated by Lindsy, that Cobra was pressuring them to say that Misty was at their house that night? It must be write_into_action, has to be.
As for harassing phone calls from Timmy to Ronald, somebody posted that docket on here a couple of days ago. OK, now THAT was you, tobias, right?
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No Cate,that was me,lol
I did post it!the phone calls one!
Cathy the one missing was a portable nebulizer.
The one at the fake search is a nebulizer inhaler.jmo
thats why i got REmad yesterday,i been watching em,and it tix me off too cause,he tells Misty to look in the camn and then he don’t,and Like Mlee i think it was said,Misty looks to rron for the answer why she lied???
CJ that fake search was prompted by a so called psychic correct? Does anyone know who this person who claims to be as a psychic is exactly?
IIRC Connie had been in contact with this person. It might be significant to know who this so called psychic person is imo.
Cricket, Peter Hyatt and Lillian Glass might probably don’t make statements about LE, politicians and attorneys because they have been advised by attorneys not to, that’s my guess.
righttttt Tobias,Sorry if i confused ya but the articles all say nebulizer,so maybe thats how it got crossed up but i posted all i was able to find a sec ago about a missing item,wether thats the neb,I haven’t a clue??????
but they could have used it for drugs and got rid of it or gave her drugs thru it,I dunno?
CathyJo, so sorry that I didn’t give proper credit to you for the “Timmy Harrasses Ronald” docket. Apologies! (We watched Alice in Wonderland last night and the Red Queen just shouted “Off with her head!” about me 😀 .)
Tuff,I forget,it was BLstarke who was here the other day! Others might know for sure but i understood it was the sheffs who called her????????? IDK Tho!
nooooooooo,I don’t want credit,lol I just don’t want Tobias or any of you guys to get jumped because of my screwed up posts sometimes,lol
Okay if your child ever had croup you had a cool mist humidifier right? Most of us had one. You wouldnt keep it out all the time, you would keep it in a place like the bathroom closet or in a storage place. The people who took Haleigh would not know where to look for it let alone that it existed. I think Ron and TN wanted to point the finger towards the Sheffields, a SO isnt going to take it thats for sure. jmo
brb gonna go watch it and get mad again,lol
http://www.truecrimereport.com/amber_alert/
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20664199/index.html
Watch these 2
Hi to all..
I totally agree with MaryD that the part of Haleigh wetting the bed was the big trigger…. Misty was tired and didn’t want to babysit.. when Haleigh wet the bed I totally believe she went crazy and maybe really went off on Haleigh… specifics? I don’t know…..but I believe this was the beginning of the downfall… who knows, Ronald maybe told her to spank Haleigh…..
also, to the question about Ronald’s job being a union job… I was under the impression that Florida was a “right to work state” and there were no unions there….
question: What reason would Teresa have to want Haleigh gone?
I do not think RC had anything to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance, I do believe she was at the MH the evening and night/early morning of 2/9 & 2/10, neighbors say they saw her and Jr. outside playing.
What about all the sightings of HaLeigh, were they false?
I do not think for one second that this is a grand family conspiracy and that all sides of the family are involved in hiding HaLeigh, why? Why would they do that?
I pray this precious little girl is alive and well, but the fact that Tommy does place himself at the MH that night scares me.
I think the answer is simple and we here are making it more complicated with our many, many theories.
I don’t remember anyone releasing exactly what it was if HaLeigh’s that was missing from the MH; Tobias, can you remember roughly when RC and TN announced on NG it was her nebulizer? TIA
CathyJo, I didn’t think you were asking for credit, I just wanted to give it! What are you watching that is going to make you mad again?
ilovetheshowmadmen, But if it was Misty, don’t you think Ronald would have figured that out and we would now all know? I don’t think anyone thinks TN wanted HaLeigh gone, the thought is that she is protecting Ronald.
Noreen, Do you have a reference for the neighbors statements about seeing HaLeigh? I thought the AC Guy was really the only one unrelated that said he saw her. And now that is in question, too, according to one of the posts today.
Blstarke is not a psychic, she was asked by MG and JS to assist in the ‘fake’ search, she did not contact the family, they contacted her and asked if she’d come along with her dog.
OK, a little more housework and then I can indulge again. Back soon.
Hi Melee, 🙂
Working the kinks out of all this cit is draining.
First, the A/C man would not of been able to service the unit without access to the inside of the trailer. LE would not of had the need to clear him. IMO that would be a lie Misty would of told not an inconsistancy. 🙂
Rons work hours are still not clear to me, but, have considred LE is not confussed or being mislead by many and have stated they are satisfied.
Ron called Crystal and threatened her? Hearsay or fact? Who is the source? I doubt it was a Cummings or a Croslin. LOL
In my opinion if my ex put my son on camera after my daghter was just abducted from her bed in her own home, I think I would of made a phone call my self. Crytal consistantly, with the help of her mother and attorney, kept the focus on family drama instead of on HaLeigh, that also would of begged for a few calls from this distraught father IMO. For someone that has ben labled a hot head I have not seen Ron (aside from the incident of kicking Tommys a$$) as this uncontrollable crazy man that should be feared. LOL
Donna Brock is a 40 something year old women and IMO someone should of stepped in and discouraged that unheathy relationship the day it began, as far as Donna being a informant, heck we all knew that before Ron even said aything. Obviously Misty should of listened to Ron all along, she might not of ended up where she is. That 2 days with Nay Nay before the night HaLeigh went missing;I do not believe will ever be forgotten, even if we do not have the facts, it is engraved in the publics mind as a 3 day drug,sex and rock & roll binge with WBG.
It matters not what Misty has sad in the past it will always be misunderstood, because half of the time she does not understand the question.
Cate(aka Kate), I don’t have a link, and I can’t remember where I heard it, but I believe it was the neighbors that moved and left the state about 2 weeks after HaLeigh went missing.
Hopefully someone else remembers this also and has a link to where it was reported.
Cate.. maybe Misty called Ronald and said, “Haleigh wet the bed.. I am pissed… bla bla and Ronald could have said” she knows better than that… beat her a_ _.”
I SO hope this wasnt’ the case… but who knows? I think once the lies started, more had to keep coming…
also, the PHONE RECORDS are what we need… and also the people that partied with Misty the previous three days? LIE DETECTOR TESTS.. even if the question was… at any time was Ronald or Haleigh here when Misty was partying?”
texasmommy39 said,in June 12th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
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Very Good Post.
CJ: Didn’t it come out that the AC guy that was at the MH that night worked for the same Company that Hope’s baby’s daddy worked for? The “cousin” of Ron’s wasn’t the AC guy, right?
mlee made reference to it earlier and I wanted that to be clear. As I remember the AC guy didn’t know Ron and wasn’t related to him either.
Don’t get mad just, BREATH………
If Connie had contacted a so called psychic who had given information about a certain area to search and say perhaps then Connie had relayed this information to others there is potential that the area could have been found out by someone who would want to intentionally sabotage the search and potentially plant evidence there in advance of the sight being searched.
Also,
Another issue I have with these self proclaimed psychic people, especially the ones who have shiny fluffy websites etc… and who are known to accept money for their “services” is that there is potential for any one of them to create a situation that appears to fit their own agenda which is very potentially an avenue of some sort that is lined with $$$ signs.
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It don’t make me no never mind if I get bashed for speaking my mind on this as it is no secret that I generally do not like these people.
If you truly have a gift then share it freely from your heart for the good of the whole.
Otherwise…pfffft!
All JMVHO
Tuff Stuff said,in June 12th, 2010 at 6:54 pm CJ that fake search was prompted by a so called psychic correct? Does anyone know who this person who claims to be as a psychic is exactly?
IIRC Connie had been in contact with this person. It might be significant to know who this so called psychic person is imo
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I have wondered who myself. A phychic gave important info about where to find Nay Nays car keys to the wrong person. LOL
jUST DID SOME RESEARCH ON THE ac AND HEATING IN FLORIDA MOBILE HOMES MOST ARE IN THE CRAWL SPACE TO SAVE ROOM. JMO
I don’t recall any witness statements being released. That’s part of the back and forth, was she or wasn’t she, who was there and who wasn’t there. Not sure but then I never am real sure of anything with this case. It changes from day to day!
Hey, CJ!
There Has been a Gale ST.John mentioned
before , she has called herself a Physic
she went out on the Caylee A. case.with her dog
to. it seems as though someone said she new
Marie G.
Noreen, I agree with you. I do not think that this is some big complicated conspiracy with the family faking school records and lying about the children being at home.
I also pray Haleigh is alive but Tommy scares me. I watched the jail video with him and Lindsy when Lindsy tells him not to hang up, full screen that video, the look on his face is beyond frightening. I think Tommy out of everybody else, is capable of anything, and I think Misty has been trying to tell LE that for a very long time.
cATHY, i LIKE HOW tn SAID THEY WERE forced TO STAY AWAY WHEN mISTY WAS DOING THE HYPNOSIS.LOLJMO
NG had a female phychic on her show at least once that I can recall, maybe more…
I don’t remember her saying that she was working with either one of the families though.
I don’t recall her name but she did say that she was just a concerned citizen…….
Sorry, that’s all I got.
Oh and, the comment made about ‘No-one in LE would ever share any of the investigation information with the attorney(KP), hired for the child custody issue’, may I suggest you listen to the BNN Radio show from April/May 2009 (sorry I can’t remember the exact date of the show), where KP called in and said that she had a wonderful relationship with all of the investigators, she was in constant contact with them, providing them with tips and had VEIWED the files and photo’s taken from the MH. Cobra was on the panel that day, he asked her WHY LE would share that information with the attorney of the Bio-Mother, she (KP), told Cobra to grow up.
So in answer to your comment, YES, LE DID share information with an attorney that had no business knowing it!!!!! If I remember correctly, it was Peggi Cone.
Staff 500 – Deal with ** LOL I still crack up over that one.
In order to use a nebulizer you need prescription medication to use with it. Have one here for a child. If someone took it for Haleigh they would need a doctor for a refill or new prescription. If they took it for their own needs who knows what it is used for. I’m thinking illegal drugs for other use.
What makes it hard for me to buy into Tommy; is he tells LE he was at the MH and bam he is out of Jail, months later when LE is setting up their stings he is the low man on the guest list in Jail. It doesn’t jive. He is the first to confess again with hopes he will be bam out there and LMAO he ain’t going no where this time. Tommy is not that stupid to give LE everything they are asking for and be the one that did it. If he is then I hang my head in shame for every dimwittd investigator that has worked on this case.
Both of my Dr’s have a nurse that faxes in
or call in prescription for me.
Well Noreen if you think about it, if LE wanted KP or any one else for that matter to view certain documents that LE determined useful to assist them in their investigation process in any way possible then I am 100% certain that LE will do just that.
LE is known to leak out certain facts and other about a case and it is by no means accidental.
There again,
If certain documents are exposed and there is no justifyable reason for exposing such documents then it might potentially be viewed as an effort to sabotage an investigation and that would most likely be investigated also.
Judithann: You can also use a regular saline solution to create the steam effect for relief. You wouldn’t need a RX for that. We have one here, too. Sometimes when my kids were younger they didn’t need the RX all the time, sometimes the saline was just enough. Ofcourse they used inhalers too. They just didn’t get as hyper with the saline. My kids would bounce off the walls after treatments with the nebulizer.
texasmommy, Even Hank knew enough that Tommy should not have given LE anything until he had a deal in writing. Tommy telling LE what he knows about somebody doing something to Haleigh would have been one thing, BUT Tommy put himself there, seeing Haleigh, helping dispose of her body. That is a whole different kettle of fish.
I guess if you have nurse friend that works for Dr. you might get what you want.
I dont see anyone having enough money to pay off a doctor to address her turners syndrome. She will need to be seen 12 times a year, the custody case in the beginning tells us that, Crystal missed some of the appointments. jmo
WhyLie, It is puzzeling that he met with a Private Investigator before meeting with LE. Tommy is a liar and that is why Lindsey left him, he can not even be a man and take what he deserves, much less be a man that was going to put his wife and childrens needs first. I am glad she is walking away and protecting herself and her children. I just hope she has enough sence now to continue to do the right thing and put her kids first above her own needs, they might have a chance.
ok.. so who would have killed Haleigh and why?
And if you go to the Turners syndrome site support groups you will see her appearence will get even more noticable as she ages. jmo
Stilllucy, I tried the saline but it didn’t work. Cronic asmathic child, live in Ky. one of the worst states for asthma. You have to worry about scaring of the lungs. But I do know it works in some cases. I’m just thinking with Haleigh’s other medical problems this is something that shouldn’t be taken lightly.
tobias said,in June 12th, 2010 at 7:47 pm I dont see anyone having enough money to pay off a doctor to address her turners syndrome. She will need to be seen 12 times a year, the custody case in the beginning tells us that, Crystal missed some of the appointments. jmo
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If it was not important to the Sheffield family before what makes us think it would be a concern for them now? es, I did say the whole family, because, someone hould of thought it was important to see that Crystal took her.
Trust me you can get meds for asthma online, there are plenty of offshore online pharmacies out there.
Stormyweather- My son was a criminal justice major, one month from graduation and he would have been on his way to Quantico! He of course was working his way through college at a winery.
It was off season and they were cleaning the facility. He was sent up to the roof with another employee to fix a leak. The roof collapsed under him and he fell three stories to a concrete floor. The Lodi FD came with a body bag to get him, but he survived. He has pins in his back, arms and legs as all dislocations were open bone wounds. It took years of surgery, medication, therapy and will to go on but he did! His dream of being in LE was shattered but not his drive and enthusiasm. The reason I am telling you this is that he does not take pain pills anymore, hasn’t for years. He has his own Computer business and when he is in pain he uses heat pads or ice packs. Compared to that what type of pain has any of these people been in that would warrant taking the type of drugs thet were using? They were taking it recreationally with no regard for the children in their care! Ron continued after Haleigh was missing…. where was jr?
WhyLie- I have seen many children returned to their parents by CPS With all the help the County can provide and the children still ended up dead!I’m with Coop if she’s alive and in a good home let her stay if she wants to!
WhyLie said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Very important observation about the look on Tommy’s face when Lindsy tells him not to hang up. I’d stopped listening to all of the telephone conversations because I decided that they don’t get us any closer to knowing what happened to HaLeigh but it sounds like I am wrong. I’ll have to watch that one, although your comments are always very interesting so I might not bother. Definitely makes me reconsider my thoughts about Tommy being the one. Was it JenM who said that she thought the Tommy/Joe story was true except that it was Tommy, not Joe, who killed HaLeigh. That would make a lot of sense. Wow, what Lindsy must be going through if this is how it goes. How do we explain the rat in Tommy’s mailbox, then?
WhyLie, I have no doubt your right about getting the meds online offshore. But I wouldn’t put my daughter or granddaughter in that position that their doctor couldn’t moniter them and they have no other medical problems like Haleigh.
P.S. I also view Ron as a Sex Offender as Misty was 16 when he first hooked up with her! I don’t know what the age difference between him and Amber is but I’m sure she was younger too! Who knows how many young girls he violated, so if he goes to jail for 85 years-then justice will be served. Perhaps the police should do drug stings on the known sex offenders and that may be a way of getting them off the streets for good!
Alex, I have seen many families who have also been helped by DCF programs, and if the parents can’t or won’t restructure their lifestyle then the child can be placed with other family members or in foster care.
I can not condone any child being abducted and left in the care of the abductors or whoever they opt to leave the child with because they believe the child would be better off. Stripped of their identity, of their lives.
Just like those grandparents who abducted their grandchildren and kept them hidden for 20 years. Those children lost their identities, given new names, they lost their lives, their families.
Every child has a right to know who they are. It is their God given right.
Nor would I judith but it didn’t seem like the Sheffields, any of them, were to concerned about Haleigh being monitored by her doctors.
Tuff Stuff said,in June 12th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
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No disrespect meant Tuff Stuff, I’m just relaying what KP herself said. Cobra was gobsmacked.
Then we have the rumour that KP was adament that Greg Page and Misty should be arrested and taken away in handcuffs, but wait, the one that shared that info with us is changing his tune to a Family Conspiracy and HaLeigh not even being there that night, so I’m at a total loss, is he (TH) now saying all of the tapes he’s published are false???
Tommy scares me, really scares me, as does cousin Joe.
BBL I have a dinner appointment, if I’ve offeneded anyone I apologise, just sharing what I know off that has happeneded in this case.
Oh and, I am not a troll, I have been with this case since the beginning and BNN was the first site I posted on, I then posted on AH’s and went back and forth between the two.
Hi Vaq, I saw your wave….waving back atcha!!
It is so simple ,but, obviously so hard to prove. I wonder why? Is it because LE was stumped by only HaLeigh being taken? After 4 months and thousands of leads LE decides to search Baker County (June 25th) for HaLeigh. I think they finally realized then their mistake and have allowed “those” to believe since they have uknowingly been taken for a ride with all the BS since. The Shell Harbor search called their bluff. JMO
I am off to soak in a bath and read a good book. BBL
Judithann: Just sharing the info about the machine and the goods. Been there, done all of that, too.
I agree with WL, I don’t see where any of these folks would be concerned about where the meds came from. They’re all in lala land!
Noreen said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
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Hi Noreen,
Nice to see you! 🙂
I am almost positive that NO ONE in the family has EVER stated what of HaLeigh’s was missing, let alone stated there was a nebulizer of HaLeigh’s gone.
Matter of fact, I believe that Ronald stated on Nancy Grace that HaLeigh was NOT using any medications at the time she went missing. (I would have to double check that to be 100% certain)
WhyLie, it is every child’s “God given right” to know who they are?????? What about adopted children? Just because they do no know who their biological parents are does not mean they do not “know who they are”.
Noreen said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Oh and, the comment made about ‘No-one in LE would ever share any of the investigation information with the attorney(KP), hired for the child custody issue’, may I suggest you listen to the BNN Radio show from April/May 2009 (sorry I can’t remember the exact date of the show), where KP called in and said that she had a wonderful relationship with all of the investigators, she was in constant contact with them, providing them with tips and had VEIWED the files and photo’s taken from the MH. Cobra was on the panel that day, he asked her WHY LE would share that information with the attorney of the Bio-Mother, she (KP), told Cobra to grow up.
So in answer to your comment, YES, LE DID share information with an attorney that had no business knowing it!!!!! If I remember correctly, it was Peggi Cone.
Staff 500 – Deal with ** LOL I still crack up over that one.
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It was indeed Peggy Cone and Kim basically said she was in her back pocket.Kim saw photos from inside the mobile home and was “kept abreast” of everything, yes sirree.
Oh and I forgot to add that Kim tell staff 500 to take care of lover boy was a hoot, that whole exchange with them on twitter was a hoot and saved for prosperity 😉
At the time KimP was Crystal’s attorney, I can very much see LE sharing as much information as they legally could with her. Crystal (and Ron) should have the right, and should actually demand that LE let them know what they are doing to find their child. Just because Crystal did not have custody of her children does not mean she gave up all rights. Just because Crystal and Ron are both scum of the earth (imo), and I pray I never have to personally deal with people like them does not mean that Crystal does not have a right to the information that LE has.
Shoot, if it were my child missing, I would be camped out at the detective’s desk everyday demanding information until they found my child. I wouldn’t care if it were 16 months later they would be seeing my face everyday, they would have to get a court order to keep me away.
We can all blame DCFS for their short comings. I have a daughter who is a director of DCFS in FL. in 2 counties they’re short handed and the court system ties their hands in many cases. She takes her work home everynight trying to help these children so it’s not a 40 hour week job. How do I know? She’s calls me with her flustrations and the problems the children face. They’re understaffed and over worked plus many have low pay. Too many burn out from this and move to another less stressful job. DCFS seems to be the first we blame but they can’t do anything until local or state government approves and many times it’s too late.
One thing that bothers me is when the first custody hearing happened why were nt they both drug tested? Crystal admitted to using at one time so the Judge should have tested both of them on the spot. Also Ron had charges for drugs even if he got off its still a red flag. jmo
For those of you who jumped up and down with Joy when Misty was arrested MONTHS and MONTHS ago, so sure she would “break” and tell what happened to Haleigh, what do you think now? Think she plotted the perfect crime? or do you think LE are chasing after the wrong people?
did the lady ever acknowledge receiving the donated diabetes meds?
tobias, you’re right why weren’t both parents tested?
Isn’t kinda funny that were willing to hang
everyone out to dry involved in Haleigh life because of
lack of concern for Haleigh and JR.
But we can’t believe that they are willing
to buy the meds, online or any other way
they can get it, or even try to get it.
If their so cold as to do their drugs and
let a drugged up teen care for her is that
really what we think of them.
Good night everybody, thanks for the informative discussion today. Another great day on this forum, imho.
Ladysadie, I am a strong believer in adoptees having every legal right to know who they are biologically. Every human being has a God given right, imo, to know who they are and where they came from. I have only met one adoptee in my life that had no desire to know anything about their bio parents. That is also their right. Whatever they choose to do, it should be their legal right to do.
Judithann- My point was not to blame DCFS or CPS but the whole system doesn’t make sense. You can pour all the money you have into programs but it doesn’t mean the parent is going to change.
I was an advocate for the elderly and disabled in our county who were in Residential, Group, Nursing & Skilled Nursing. I had 102 elderly facilities, 98 Residential, 47 group, 1 NH, 5 SNHs. Each facility had anywhere from 2 to over 200 residents. So I know the frustration your daughter faces as I and my co-workers also faced it. To boot ours is a multicounty agency. I was one of the lucky ones who got to work in my county! Two years ago my mother needed me home so I took a leave of absence. After six months I resigned so they could fill the position. I still get calls from residents I worked with on my cell phone and even from new ones who were given my number by others I helped. I’m sure your daughter is doing what she can but none of us can change the person we are trying to help. They have to want to change or we are wasting our time trying to get them to!
my sister adopted and got a monster..
I would not reccomend it to anyone..
and NO it wasn’t the way she was raised..she had 3 natural who are normal, the adopted one was a nightmare, add, drug user, thief..and the list goes on..its heredity..the biomom is the same.
OJ- was the child born addicted?
As far as I know OJ the lady in question never acknowledged, or thanked the people that donated the diabetic supplies. She has also not posted here since the supplies were sent.
LadySadie said,in June 12th, 2010 at 9:20 pm As far as I know OJ the lady in question never acknowledged, or thanked the people that donated the diabetic supplies. She has also not posted here since the supplies were sent.
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thats what I thought..
I think we witnessed a scam.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 9:13 pm OJ- was the child born addicted?
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no, my sis got her new born I think but the biomom probably used during pregnancy..
adoption is luck of the draw.
Unfortunately OJ, that is a risk (being scammed) when being a caring, good hearted person. I thing the people that donated the supplies did so with great loving hearts, and all we can do is hope they went to someone that really needed them.
OJ- if the mom used during pregnancy the child was probably addicted. Your sister should have been told that and what the possible consequences of the addiction would mean without help and then offered the resources to her!
A lot of drug addicts have a primary condition of mental illness, whether it be bi-polar or ADHD or others. These people have a tendency to self medicate. I think most of us have that relative somewhere in our families who takes the low road. The effect on family can be devastating. Just watching them destroying their lives is trying. With every attempt to help them it can be a vicious cycle of ups and downs. We are not a perfect world and sometimes despite all our efforts we can’t control the outcome or stop the nature of the beast.
Someone is responsible for Haleighs abduction or demise. Whether it was an accident or a momentary of loss of control or even a planned abduction, that person or persons will have no peace. If that person is already incarcerated, or not, their inability to live an honest life free of guilt will not be possible.
A leopard can’t change his stripes, ie, Joran Vandersloot. The truth will eventually be revealed. I do believe.
Wasn’t her username mrsm? Not sure if she’s been around or not.
maryd. said,in June 12th, 2010 at 9:39 pm A lot of drug addicts have a primary condition of mental illness, whether it be bi-polar or ADHD or others. These people have a tendency to self medicate. I think most of us have that relative somewhere in our families who takes the low road. The effect on family can be devastating. Just watching them destroying their lives is trying. With every attempt to help them it can be a vicious cycle of ups and downs. We are not a perfect world and sometimes despite all our efforts we can’t control the outcome or stop the nature of the beast.
Someone is responsible for Haleighs abduction or demise. Whether it was an accident or a momentary of loss of control or even a planned abduction, that person or persons will have no peace. If that person is already incarcerated, or not, their inability to live an honest life free of guilt will not be possible.
A leopard can’t change his stripes, ie, Joran Vandersloot. The truth will eventually be revealed. I do believe.
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I’m still waiting on who killed jon benet..
sometimes the truth never comes out.
sociopaths and psychopaths don’t feel guilt is my understanding.
Alexandria I didn’t for one moment think you were accusing DCFS. I was just trying to make a point that most social workers want to make a difference in children’s lives but many times their hands are tied by the court system. They seem to keep returning them to dysfunction even when DCFS recommends them not to be placed backs in the bio home. They always return to the system with more damage to the children. They want to keep families together for what? They damage the children MORE. Very few parents change their lifestyle if they do Bravo!
Right on Mary. That is so true.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 9:38 pm OJ- if the mom used during pregnancy the child was probably addicted. Your sister should have been told that and what the possible consequences of the addiction would mean without help and then offered the resources to her!
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it was 30 years ago..I’m not sure of the details but I’ve seen the result, and adopting imo is a crapshoot.
Thirty years ago, they wouldn’t have told! The hospitals here started reporting about 10 years ago.
That’s so sad for your sister & the child!
NG is getting a new show called “swift justice”.
shes going to give herself an embolism if she doesn’t calm it down.
Swift Justice would be squeezing her into a “Cummings’ Ball”!
OJ’s glove said, in June 12th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
I’m still waiting on who killed jon benet..
sometimes the truth never comes out.
sociopaths and psychopaths don’t feel guilt is my understanding.
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I didn’t say there was a statute of limitations on the truth! lol
I still believe we will find out one day re: Jon Benet.
If it was a psychopath who killed Haleigh, they will kill again. Or attempt to. Give it time Mr. Cynical 🙂
Maybe NG will get a swift KICK in her new program!
NG is a one woman lynchmob concerning misty..
very unfair reporting on the NG show imvho.
You guys & gals crack me up! Thanks for the daily dose of comic relief!
Will she have the Twins on the new show?
I think misty needs to go to trial.
We should all see Evidence against her without redaction unlike the tapes showing her trafficking, allegedly. ron being in the same car can give the background on how misty got involved, imo.
OJ’s glove said,in June 12th, 2010 at 8:53 pm did the lady ever acknowledge receiving the donated diabetes meds?
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as a matter of a fact…NO!
jaba, doesn’t matter who was in the car with her, what we have seen of the tapes CLEARLY shows Misty trafficking drugs. No matter of her involvement in the Haleigh case, the tapes give no doubt that Misty is guilty of drug trafficking, as are Ron, Tommy, Hope and Donna.
Quick question
Did anyone else find it odd that the only time Ronald looked relaxed and at ease was during the trafficking tapes? During most of the interviews he always looked like he would pierce you with his eyes.
LadySadie said,in June 12th, 2010 at 10:27 pm jaba, doesn’t matter who was in the car with her, what we have seen of the tapes CLEARLY shows Misty trafficking drugs. No matter of her involvement in the Haleigh case, the tapes give no doubt that Misty is guilty of drug trafficking, as are Ron, Tommy, Hope and Donna.
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Misty was MADE to do what she did by all the powers of LE entrapping her!
Misty is innocent!
edited by Jan – BNN Editor – wrong assumption 🙂
Guess not to my last question, huh?
I thought Ron always looked so angry. The only time he didn’t look angry to me was on the trafficking runs. He seemed to be enjoying himself with the UC guy and the whole affair.
OJ’s glove said,in June 12th, 2010 at 9:12 pm my sister adopted and got a monster..
I would not reccomend it to anyone..
and NO it wasn’t the way she was raised..she had 3 natural who are normal, the adopted one was a nightmare, add, drug user, thief..and the list goes on..its heredity..the biomom is the same.
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excuse me?? I am an adoptee OJ!
I am no monster?
I might resemble a monster but i ain’t one,lol
maryd. said,in June 12th, 2010 at 10:38 pm Guess not to my last question, huh?
I thought Ron always looked so angry. The only time he didn’t look angry to me was on the trafficking runs. He seemed to be enjoying himself with the UC guy and the whole affair.
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I guess he let his guard down and was being himself…Big mistake LOL
WhyLie said,in June 12th, 2010 at 9:01 pm Ladysadie, I am a strong believer in adoptees having every legal right to know who they are biologically. Every human being has a God given right, imo, to know who they are and where they came from. I have only met one adoptee in my life that had no desire to know anything about their bio parents. That is also their right. Whatever they choose to do, it should be their legal right to do.
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Thank You WhyLie,
because we were signed away by our parents,our heritage is given away too,How is it fair that I am an adoptee but because of what my bio’s did I cannot and am not allowed to know what I weighed at birth,time of birth,just the simple things that people who do know take for granted,believe me when you’re adopted it’s a fight to just get your own information!
It ain’t right,I don’t remember signing my life away basically? They did it for me and yet again,no justice for the victims?
No, OJ, I am not JB, but I have watched the videos of Misty trafficking drugs. No one “made” Misty deal drugs, she made that decision all on her own. Now she may have been pressured by Ron to help with the deals, but she very clearly participated in them, she could have just said NO, but she didn’t.
Oy vey.
misty will take this to trial and show she was coerced into doing what she did…IF phone records and calls made to her have voice recordings to show she was entrapped by her repeated ‘no’ answers to the UC. We will be able to count how many that way.
If they don’t have call recordings its mistys word against uc as to what was said during however many calls were made.
Fields is sharp enough to show his client was entraped if there is evidence of it.
Judithan- About eight years ago during an Elder Death Reveiw meeting at the D A’s office, I met a LE officer who had to investigate homicides and financial abuse of elders!
After the meeting, I talked to him about a case I was working on. A 78 year old man who was claiming his children stole all his money and sold his house. They did take all his money from the bank and sold his home. They had paid for 6 months of care in advance and then wrote their father off. When I spoke to the hostile children, I was yelled at, told to mind my own business. When it got through their heads that it was my business they told me that the doctors at the hospital had said that he only had 6 months to live. So they used his living will that said if he had less then a year to live they had power of attorney to take care of his final needs. What was left was to be devided between them. Well after they paid 6 months to the care home, the daughter bought a horse ranch and son bought a sports bar. But now dad had lived beyond the six months, just had SS & a teacher’s pension, which wasn’t even enough for the full monthly payment at the home he liked living in. The man wanted his son and daughter arrested if they wouldn’t give him back his money. Le talked to the family and they told him the same thing, the doctors said he only had 6 months to live, it is not their fault he lived beyond that. They felt the hospital & doctors should pay for their father’s care from now on. LE spoke to the ADA and then to the father. The father wanted them arrested, wanted his money back but would not sign a complaint nor would he testify against them. He is now living in a home that is within his means, he still calls me at times to see if I could get his children arrested but still refuses to sign a complaint or testify! Sometimes even a victim will protect there own. Neither of his children visit him!
LadySadie said,in June 12th, 2010 at 8:32 pm WhyLie, it is every child’s “God given right” to know who they are?????? What about adopted children? Just because they do no know who their biological parents are does not mean they do not “know who they are”.
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I beg to differ,We don’t,are you adopted??
What we have is a false sense of who we are but if we knew what we should be entitled to know then adoptees could learn who they are???
When you’re adopted you carry all that extra baggage and fear of rejection your entire life,so with that,no we really don’t know who we are!!!!!!!!!!!! If we had all the pieces we could find out though!
CathyJo63 said,in June 12th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
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excuse me?? I am an adoptee OJ!
I am no monster?
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both my parents were adopted..
what I was saying is your taking a GAMBLE when you adopt..the folks who adopted you were gifted with an angel..
they were very lucky imvho
maryd- yes, I noticed that about Ron, I actually wondered if he was using some of what he was selling!
Do you know where jr was during the drug runs?
edited by Jan – BNN Editor – wrong assumption
LoL@Jan,Thats a new one
Oj
You are taking a gamble when you have biological kids too. One never knows what their kids will be like.
I dunno about that OJ,they had 13 bio kids and i was the blacksheep I am sure! lol but ty!
maryd. said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:05 pm Oj
You are taking a gamble when you have biological kids too. One never knows what their kids will be like.
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Exactly and no doubt they could even be born bald,toothless and naked! rofl
Alexandria,
All I recall is Ron or Misty saying they had to hurry cause they had to pick up Junior.
OJ… are you enjoying your paddling? I think so, LOL!! You guys all have a great evening.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 12th, 2010 at 8:03 pm …….. How do we explain the rat in Tommy’s mailbox, then?
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My take on the rat/mailbox incident is as follows:
A. Tommy placed the rat there.
B. If Ron placed it there it was because the incident was a family dispute, to be resolved privately between themselves, IMO, in RC’s mind there was no need to call LE and get them involved.
However, I go with theory A.
Tommy scares me.
CathyJo,
LOL to 11:07pm
I think Mr. Glove is smitten with you.
Thanks- maryd
Mary,LoL Mr.Glove better not be,He knows me,lol
I’d hate to have to hurt him,LoL J/K BUT I WOULD!LOL
DIDN’T A WITNESS SEE RON PUT THE RAT IN THE MAILBOX AND THEN RON CONFESSED?
omg sorry
maryd. said,in June 12th, 2010 at 10:29 pm Quick question
Did anyone else find it odd that the only time Ronald looked relaxed and at ease was during the trafficking tapes? During most of the interviews he always looked like he would pierce you with his eyes.
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I respectfully disagree with you here Maryd, I believe RC was totally frustrated that it seemed people/media etc. were taking the FOCUS off of finding HaLeigh, it was more about custody when it should of been about finding HaLeigh. jmo
lmao@Mr.Glove,rofl Thats funny Mary!
IMO Noreen,yes he was frustrated cause Misty didn’t follow the script,jmo
J said,in June 12th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
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Hi J,
Good to see you. 🙂
That’s how I remember the NG show also, RC saying HaLeigh was not on any medication at the time of her disappearance, I honestly never heard RC or TN state that her nebulizer was missing.
maryd. said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:05 pm Oj
You are taking a gamble when you have biological kids too. One never knows what their kids will be like.
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but, you know the heredity is 50% husband and 50% wife..you pretty much know what your getting, as long as the upbringing is not a drug fueled hello ride.
But Noreen,not being testy,lol but if he had acted normal to begin with people wouldn’t be focusing on that!
When Haleigh went missing ron defended her right from get go! He took the focus off Haleigh himself…imo
drug fueled ride,lol
CathyJo
Not good at signing up. It scares me.
I agree totally with ya on TomMe,He scares me too!!!!!
As i have said before,he should be on condom packages so kids would really think first,OMG if i do this I could have a child that looks like him!
Alexendria. OMG I can’t even imagine this happening to a senior citizen but I know it does. Bless you for trying to help the elderly. The endangered are young children and the elderly. I’m a senior citizen and I hope this never happens to me. You’re truely an advocate for the elderly. Hats off to you.
it would make me think,rofl
notice how my “assumption” hasn’t posted again?
hmmmmmmmmmmm
I have a change IP tool too..
jus sayin
maryd. said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:27 pm CathyJo
Not good at signing up. It scares me.
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signing up,what have i forgot,lol???
huh,wtheck you talkiing bout OJ…..LOL
Will misty be able to take the stand in her own defense?
It will open the door to many things, imo.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 10:58 pm Judithan- About eight years ago during an Elder Death Reveiw meeting at the D A’s office, I met a LE officer who had to investigate homicides and financial abuse of elders!
After the meeting, I talked to him about a case I was working on. A 78 year old man who was claiming his children stole all his money and sold his house. They did take all his money from the bank and sold his home. They had paid for 6 months of care in advance and then wrote their father off. When I spoke to the hostile children, I was yelled at, told to mind my own business. When it got through their heads that it was my business they told me that the doctors at the hospital had said that he only had 6 months to live. So they used his living will that said if he had less then a year to live they had power of attorney to take care of his final needs. What was left was to be devided between them. Well after they paid 6 months to the care home, the daughter bought a horse ranch and son bought a sports bar. But now dad had lived beyond the six months, just had SS & a teacher’s pension, which wasn’t even enough for the full monthly payment at the home he liked living in. The man wanted his son and daughter arrested if they wouldn’t give him back his money. Le talked to the family and they told him the same thing, the doctors said he only had 6 months to live, it is not their fault he lived beyond that. They felt the hospital & doctors should pay for their father’s care from now on. LE spoke to the ADA and then to the father. The father wanted them arrested, wanted his money back but would not sign a complaint nor would he testify against them. He is now living in a home that is within his means, he still calls me at times to see if I could get his children arrested but still refuses to sign a complaint or testify! Sometimes even a victim will protect there own. Neither of his children visit him!
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Judithan- the main problem was the wording of the living will! We learned it was drawn up by the son’s attorney!
I could tell you stories that would make your stomach turn! It;s sad how sometimes children treat their parents. In some of the cases the children (adults now) would ask me where was I when they were growing up and what the parent was going through was no worse than what they went through! Very sad!!!!!
jaba said, in June 12th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Will misty be able to take the stand in her own defense?
It will open the door to many things, imo.
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Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but
the truth so help you God.
Misty: what do you mean swear?
There’s nuthin to tell
judithan said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:30 pm Alexendria. OMG I can’t even imagine this happening to a senior citizen but I know it does. Bless you for trying to help the elderly. The endangered are young children and the elderly. I’m a senior citizen and I hope this never happens to me. You’re truely an advocate for the elderly. Hats off to you.
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I was walkin down the street and this dissheveled lady was standing there, I said are you lost is there a problem? she pointed to a elderly nursing home I hadn’t noticed we were standing in front of and said they were mistreating her..my hair stood on end, middle of the day..coincidentially a cop was doing something at the next building..I told him hey this lady is being abused in this nursing home she just told me..The cop goes up to her and asks her whats going on and she says “nothing officer”..I don’t know if she was crazy or didn’t have the nerve to help herself..
I walked away scratching my head.
CathyJo63,
Unfortunately, You and I will have to agree to disagree.
I don’t believe there was a script to follow.
My take on it is, the outside circus came to town with the intent of gaining custody of Jr., the forums were used by Marie Griffis and Kim Picazzio to spread lies, and rumors, Kim Picazzio stated in her Bar Complaint rebuttal that herself and Crystal Sheffield spent many hours with Art Harris working on how to assist CS with changing her image (why did it need to be changed?), …. We know AH was on the payroll, are any of his early reports and articles unbiased? I doubt it.
A little girl is missing, yet the bio-mom is worried about her image <—– that does NOT sit right with me. jmo
tobias said,
in June 12th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
One thing that has bothered me also is the missing nebulizer, Ron doesnt even say when he saw it last. Was it there and is just now missing or did it get lost in the move? You would think as expensive as it is he would know.
I wonder if thats some of the evidence found down at the docks? Could be. jmo
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Her nebulizer wasn’t missing and wasn’t using it anyway.There is a picture somewhere taken inside of the house, maybe it was one of the walk throughs and it shows the nebulizer on her dresser.
Noreen – is that any worse then Ron not caring about his image, continued drug trafficking?
Oj- she may have been warned not to say anything to an officer or she may have complained and been moved to a facility that was worse then the original one, or she just needed to talk!
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
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Alex, Ron wasn’t trying to improve his image, he just wanted the MEDIA FOCUS on his missing daughter, HaLeigh, he repeatedly stated that this was NOT about custody, this was about his missing child.
So much for Crystal’s image anyway, she was STILL using after Ron got arrested.
Alexandria.. this makes me sick not only are the young children RAPED but so are the elderly for the assets they worked hard for in their lifetime. For what GREED !!!!!.Is this what we’re teaching our children and grandchildren? Try to bump the eldery off and they’ll get money? God I hope not.
If Haleigh was carried out that back door and put in a vehicle wouldn’t there be some tire marks found? Supposedly that area wasn’t used much. Don’t know what the ground was like back there but just thinkin there had to be some kind of evidence around.
Noreen- Do you think Ron wouldn’t be using if he was out? The people who know that Crystal is still using, have they reported it for the safety of Crystal’s other children?
maryd,
One would hope LE did a thorough investigation upon arrival at the MH that night, however, as much as I want to believe that, I have to look at the FACT that they took the blanket outside and scatterd HaLeigh’s scent every which way for the dogs to track; they also left the back door for several weeks before taking it in to evidence.
Again, an early March/April BNN Radio show will allow you to hear TJ Hart going ballistic about the door, as his hand prints, as well as many more media reps, were all over it by the time LE decided they needed to remove it and take it for analysis.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:52 pm Oj- she may have been warned not to say anything to an officer or she may have complained and been moved to a facility that was worse then the original one, or she just needed to talk!
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I was concerned but what could I do?
I mean I got a cop..(worthless now with hindsight)
I was in my 20s then just walkin by..
but never forgot it..if that happened now I would try to get to the bottom of it..I hope.
I was talking about the misty drug trial. If she want to claim entrapment she will have to take the stand. Don’t you?
What I’m thinking is that if there was no tire marks in the back and there were some in the front that she most likely exited out the front door. That scenario wouldn’t bode well for an abductor propping the back door and exiting that way. IMO anyway
Alexandria Loring said,in June 13th, 2010 at 12:00 am Noreen- Do you think Ron wouldn’t be using if he was out? The people who know that Crystal is still using, have they reported it for the safety of Crystal’s other children?
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I’m not sure, I know PDM had random drug testing so if Ron was using often I don’t know how he passed those tests, also if he was under investigation by DCF, they too would ask for drug tests.
I personally think it’s all so very sad, two beautiful people (Ron and Crystal), brought two absolutely gorgeous children in to this world, yet it seems drugs may have been more important to them both.
I truly, in my heart, do not believe Ronald Cummings nor Crystal Sheffield had anything to do with the disappearance of their beautiful little girl.
Oj- sometimes they just want someone to talk to! It’s sad but I’ve seen adult children asking the hospital to try to get their parent into a NH far enough away so they only had to visit a few times a year! Then there are other children that want there parent as close as possible! NH usually don’t like these children because they too often notice things that shouldn’t be going on in the NH. I love them and their parents usually get the best care and attention! Of course all of them should!
Noreen said,in June 12th, 2010 at 11:45 pm CathyJo63,
Unfortunately, You and I will have to agree to disagree.
I don’t believe there was a script to follow.
My take on it is, the outside circus came to town with the intent of gaining custody of Jr., the forums were used by Marie Griffis and Kim Picazzio to spread lies, and rumors, Kim Picazzio stated in her Bar Complaint rebuttal that herself and Crystal Sheffield spent many hours with Art Harris working on how to assist CS with changing her image (why did it need to be changed?), …. We know AH was on the payroll, are any of his early reports and articles unbiased? I doubt it.
A little girl is missing, yet the bio-mom is worried a
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Nor me,you’re absolutely right,I am just sticking to my last theory for now,if it weren’t for Rons actions believe me,I’d be right there with ya!!!!!
OJ. I probably would be like you scratching my head and wondering what to do for the young or elderly. Even tho I’m there !!!!! Because any authority you contact will question your sanity and blow you off until a crime is commited.
She probably knew it was useless to tell the cop….just sayin! All he’d have done is took her in there and told them what she said?? jmo
They should have cams in every room on the patients all the time,The nurses have to bathe them and clean them up anyway so I’d rather know My parent isn’t abused than to worry she couldn’t bathe herself! but.my parent wouldn’t be in a home!jmo
Noreen Ron was a new employee, had been there just over 3 months. He probably had an initial drug test. Since they have about 140 employees, I would say he may have got lucky and only did the original testing.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 13th, 2010 at 12:17 am Oj- sometimes they just want someone to talk to! It’s sad but I’ve seen adult children asking the hospital to try to get their parent into a NH far enough away so they only had to visit a few times a year! Then there are other children that want there parent as close as possible! NH usually don’t like these children because they too often notice things that shouldn’t be going on in the NH. I love them and their parents usually get the best care and attention! Of course all of them should!
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imo the child should care for the parent when the time arrives..and to be so selfish to put your parent in a nursing home is beyond dispicable, in that case, look at what the parent raised..a heartless ME first don’t wanna be bothered POS! So maybe the parent deserves it for raising a heartless dispicable CHIT!
but that is of course imvho only..
CathyJo- That’s why my mom is living with me!
Man: Let’s talk about your husband for a minute..
Misty: ok
Man: Tell me what you think his involvement is in this – Do you think he’s involved at all?
Misty: No- Ronald had nothing to do with his daugher- he loves his daughter more than anything in this world
Man: When I asked you that – when I just asked you that – It came up and said you are not sure – why is there a doubt in your mind?
Misty: I don’t know – Idon’t know why there’s doubt in my mind- really-Ronald didn’t have nothin to do with his daughter – I can tell you that
Man: ok
Misty: that’s his heart
Misty IS in fact lying… and they caught her on tape. She is lying for Ronald.IMO
Watch at 9:00 mark,obvious!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8HdUiarQEU&feature=related
Good for You Alex,and Her,I never understood how our parents raise us but when they need you,then off to the home?? Sad!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjxwd-RQb0&feature=fvw
I may have gotten the video mixed up,sorry,lol
it is this one!
Noreen, it’s no longer the CIRCUS of Ron, Misty or Crystal or AH forum. It’s about a missing child Haleigh. That’s what we all need to focus on. Not who we want to be blamed for her disappearance. But who is at fault. The GOSSIP will not find the answer. I may receive a lot of flack from this post but you’ve been a true fan of AH and have given BNN a lot of flack on the interernet. Make up your mind where you want to post!!!!! You can’t post one opinon on one site then post another on another site with credibility.
OJ- My mom is 90 yrs old, several years ago she had a knee replacement. Since I was still working I agreed she could go to a Skilled Nursing Facility (SNF) for Physical Therapy!I think mom was 85 at the time! I stayed with her until she was settled in and had fallen asleep. Around 3 am I received a call from the SNF. They couldn;t find my mother. I put my slippers on grabbed my purse and I was out the door. It took me about 20 min to get there. When I arrived Mom was at the nurses station and she told me that they had stolen her purse.
What happened is my mom saw a nurse coming on duty at 11pm carring a purse that looked like hers. Her mind was on the purse and she got up
no walker, no crutches nothing. she noticed the nurses were on there rounds, went to the nurses station and got her purse and took off out the employee entrance so no alarms went off. I don’t know how long mom was outside walking down a main street in Lodi but it was somewhere between 11pm and 3am. She was out there no shoes and smoking the nurses cigarettes! When the doctor came in he arranged for Home Health and outpatient PT. I took mom home!
Wtevr
jaba said,in June 13th, 2010 at 12:47 am
Wtevr
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we know you don’t care baba…
Multiple opinions on different sites???
Confused.
Everybody,and especially druggies know how to pass a drug test!
CJ- I agree!
LoL Alex,it’s a sad day when you can sell your own pee! dear Lord in Heaven!
but I do agree with Noreen,just because dads in jail don’t make you a mother!!!
Ron just got caught,she didn’t! jmo
So true CJ!
Well even though it’s only 11:09pm here that’s way pass my bedtime! I don’t know how you guys do it!
My Goodness,I just stumbled on to a site for the petition to get ron out of jail,remember that one,lol the one i’d never in hello sign?
its got that Thing about Lindsey,someone who signed the petition put it there,
only 50 sigs?? and they aint all in favor,wow
LoL Alex,goodnight!
LOL,OMG Ron the con??
Why can’t ppl see this is pure acting in both ron and tn,imo only tho?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCpFbF2mBw
okkkkkkkkkkk,Talking to myself again I see,lol
Thats the same dang act he pulled as a kid to get his way,jeeeeeeeeeez!!!!! imo
bbt,lol
CathyJo63 said,in June 13th, 2010 at 1:13 am My Goodness,I just stumbled on to a site for the petition to get ron out of jail,remember that one,lol the one i’d never in hello sign?
its got that Thing about Lindsey,someone who signed the petition put it there,
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you mean that ‘piercing’ thing?
G’nite..don’t let the bedbugs bite..
Don’t care about what? :confused:
We all post different opinions every day on this site. Nobody has to stick to one opinion or the other. Opinion holds no credibility.
Has anyone read Timothy Charles Holmseth’s stuff, he makes some pretty heavy claims. Have no idea what his credibility is but his latest is that there were photos of Haleighs private part showing sexual abuse.
I think the least someone should do is backup there statements with some proof or name their sources.
This case with all it’s mystery’s gives endless opportunity for speculation and accusation. Dissecting the truths is the hard part.
maryd I think the accusations of sexual abuse on Haleigh came from Wayanne K. I would think that with as many doc appointments that Haleigh had that if there were signs of sexual abuse it would have been reported.
Hey Jan/Simon… if you read this.. could you please spell Haleigh Haleigh??? The i and e are swtiched…
thinking Misty does know something.. wish they would SCRUTINIZE those phone records.. that’s where the answer lies… and was TOMMY pounding on the door and if so, what time???
It has been corrected, I thought I fixed it yesterday but I guess I didn’t. It was not meant to be disrespectful to Haleigh in any sense though. It was just an honest typo. Jan Barrett- BNN Editor
Good morning everyone,
It is actually HaLeigh. I know how anal can one get LOL, but, IMO she deserves her name spelled correctly.
morning texas~
CathyJo63 said,in June 13th, 2010 at 1:19 am Why can’t ppl see this is pure acting in both ron and tn,imo only tho?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCpFbF2mBw
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CJ morning sunshine… I wonder how any of us would come across to others after being sleep deprived and emotional distraut after coming home and discovering our child has been abducted from her bed?
I understand you are sticking with your theory and totally respect that, but, know your heart is as big as Texas and would be a little effected when we do discover the truth that Ron was not involved.
I have shared with you about my loss and can tell by first hand experiance 🙁 Rons grief is real and heart wrenching to watch and that is my opnion.
ilovethshowmadmen morning 😉
Good Morning Everyone!
JenM @ 2:18am – You are so right we are all expressing our opinions! The good thing about that is they can be changed as different facts come out.I would like to see cell phone records & text messages for all involved from the last time HaLeigh was seen by other then those we have suspicions about!
CathyJo @ 1:13am- Did anyone in Ron’s Family sign the petition?
Looks like folks are still looking at the Ron theory. That guy is a dangerous as a cocked gun. That boy is always angry. I can’t imagine him if someone did cause him to go into a rage.
I am on board with the Ron theory again today. I just think if one of the Croslins was his partner in crime they would have talked.
Has anyone confirmed beyond a doubt that there was no way Ron could have left his employer’s
premises. That is where Ron has the cops fooled or he thinks fooled. I think his Mom
is involved. Anyone else would have broke by now.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/free-ronald-cummings#signatures
link to the petition site
What if there still was a pedophile that wasn’t looked at because of no priors. I think if Misty went off to play footsy while Ron was at work. What if Teresa went alone to check and got angry and hit the baby. She didn’t want to babysit that night now she is being ask to run over and check on them all hours of the night. Misty gone…Haleigh having a hissy fit to go with her. I better go to the beach for a couple of hours and try to clear my head. I just don’t get the stranger abduction but it is not a 17 year old kid, she is a brat, and not a real smart one at that.
Where did the “Misty did not want to babysit and offered TN money to watch the kids but TN refused” come from. I can’t find it.
OK guys I am off to the beach. I will talked to
you guys after the show. Maybe, TJ will have some input from LE today.
Thank you so much Simon and Jan for helping us
keep Florida’s children name out there. You certanly have all the respect and love from this Florida gal.
Here’s a big hug to all you guys from the Sunshine State.
I want to know why HaLeigh was not found before now if Ron or anyone of the Croslins where involved. I would imagine HaLeigh would still be locted in Satsuma, due to time of discovery and these POI’s location.
I imagine everyone in that Community and County has had their eyes open for HaLeigh. The chances are if she was in the area; the summer and fall activity since in the County would of lead to a discovery IMO way before now. I have a hard time believing HaLeigh has been for 16 months at the end of a public boat dock or was somewhere in close proximaty and has just now been discovered.
good morning ladies..
good morning whylie….actually flora hollers was the one that brought up that Misty didn’t want to babysit and Teresa pretty much begged her to do it… and then offered her money….
Teresa = Ronald Enabler…
WhyLie said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Where did the “Misty did not want to babysit and offered TN money to watch the kids but TN refused” come from. I can’t find it.
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Art Harris spewed that one night. I don’t recall what show or in what transcript. I’m sure it’s in one of his articles (or many)
It’s rather amazing to me how people will take things HE says with a grain of a salt UNTIL it implicates Ronald. Then, he speaks nothing nut the truth.
I could swear I heard Teresa on NG saying that herself or something to that effect. Good luck finding it now though. I couldn’t seem to find complete interviews from her show anywhere.
Thanks J. I had early on that Ron and Misty had an argument on the phone about Misty wanting to babysit for somebody else and Ron not wanting her to. I always thought that may have been why Tommy went to the MH that afternoon. Lindsy was at school, Tommy needed drugs/money to get drugs, and wanted Misty to watch the kids.
I can’t imagine Misty or Ron calling TN or AS to watch the kids and either of them refusing, much less Misty having any money to offer to pay anybody to watch the children.
That story makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
WhyLie,
I think it might make sense in the sense that if Ronald didn’t want Misty to go anywhere he would tell his mother and grandmother “no” to babysitting and they would have to adhere. I think he wanted Misty home while he was at work, and GMS was already mad about Misty leaving him with the kids that weekend. Ron had an image to maintain of control over his woman/girls.
JMO
Sorry if I didn’t say goodmorning to you all. I have a tendency to slip in and outta here.
If I slip out again hope you all have a nice Sunday! 🙂
Coop- a pedophile that we know nothing about is still a possibily and I’m still open to that theory but at this point unless LE took some evidence the night HaLeigh went missing that links that person to the site we may never know.
I don’t know anything about the protocol of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office but it seems like they followed the same protocol as the officers in Colorado on the Jon Benet case. What a mess that was!
WhyLie said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am
You’re right. It really didn’t make sense that either GGM or Teresa wouldn’t babysit if asked. Matter of fact, taking things one step further, I’d be willing to bet that Ronald had made plans to have either GGM or Teresa babysit that night due to the fact that he and Misty had broken up and he didn’t know that Misty would be coming home again that Sunday night.
It doesn’t make any sense at all to me that Misty wouldn’t want to babysit that night given that Ronald had just allowed her to move back into the home after a “breakup”. I would think that Misty would be on her “best” behavior and be doing everything she could (after her weekend) to show Ronald she was there to stay and was a good girlfriend. Her JUST moving back in and then not wanting to babysit Ronald’s first night back to work doesn’t make sense to me.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 13th, 2010 at 9:08 am CathyJo @ 1:13am- Did anyone in Ron’s Family sign the petition?
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Not sure LoL But he does have 50 relatives??
rofl!
It makes more sense that Ron and TN had plans of their own…yikes!
J–I absolutely agree with you about everything you posted today.
TN also knew they were up all night talking,lol
what does ANYONE think about all that Flora Hollers spilled? WHY don’t they check those phone records/tapes and play THOSE??????
WhyLie,I know Misty was supposed to be babysit for Tommy that night,which is why i wondered about the cop being seen and the other 911 call we heard of but never confirmed happened!
That’s a good question J. In the past I thought maybe she wanted to visit her father in the hospital and stay with her mom, but I guess I’m way too naive. What if she felt just too exhausted to watch them? But, than that doesn’t explain her wanting to go out.
Yeah, it would help to know if it’s true or not about her not wanting to babysit, but, I could swear I heard TN say that.
I’ll pass on this one.
judithan said,in June 13th, 2010 at 12:44 am Noreen, it’s no longer the CIRCUS of Ron, Misty or Crystal or AH forum. It’s about a missing child Haleigh. That’s what we all need to focus on. Not who we want to be blamed for her disappearance. But who is at fault. The GOSSIP will not find the answer. I may receive a lot of flack from this post but you’ve been a true fan of AH and have given BNN a lot of flack on the interernet. Make up your mind where you want to post!!!!! You can’t post one opinon on one site then post another on another site with credibility.
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Excuse me? I post on both the AH and the BNN sites, I always have, I joined BNN first, then AH’s, I have given both AH and BNN flack, I’ve treated neither differently. I think AH’s involvement was suspect and I let my feelings be known on his site, several times; I’ve been disappointed once or twice with articles written here, and have also stated my opinion at that time. Isn’t that what we all do, post our opinions?
I didn’t realise I was only allowed to stay on one forum, there are many that post on more than one forum.
I’m well aware this is and should have ALWAYS been about a beautiful missing 5 year old girl, that’s exactly what I’m trying to convey now, WHY was the circus allowed to continue, WHY was the focus removed from finding HaLeigh, unfortunately the circus became a part of the investigation, that’s fact, and lord knows we have very few facts in this case.
As for my credibility, I’m not forcing you to read my posts, but if I read something that I know didn’t happen (ie. RC and TN stating on NG that HaLeigh’s nebulizer was missing), then I will comment that I believe that is an incorrect statement, which it is.
This sad case is full of noting but Gossip and Rumors, how many facts do we really have, how much has LE shared with anyone? Very few, hence the hundreds of theories floating around on many of the different forums. – That’s not GOSSIP, that’s FACT!
My opinion has always been the same, always, so I don’t know where you’re seeing differing opinions from me, I have never thought Crystal or Ron were involved in the disappearance of their daughter. JS, MG yes, I wish and still wish, that LE had looked at them a little closer.
I doubt you’ll receive any flack for your post, your post is your opinion, to which you’re entitled.
this is all I could find so far on the babysitting deal!
It’s from cnn transcripts!
HARRIS: Well, if you get the tapes that were made today.
GRACE: Right.
HARRIS: . you will hear Misty talking about things like what happened that night. I had never known this from her sister-in-law before, but she says she was so tired from those parties in the last three days that when she came home she did not want to babysit. That she called Ron`s mother and she offered, quote, “to pay her to babysit.” And Misty told her sister-in-law, well, I said, OK, if it`s OK with Ron.
Now, remember, he was furious at her. She had just gone off on this three-day revenge romance — sex, drugs and rock `n` roll. And she didn`t know if he wanted her to babysit. She said it was with OK and so that`s the last we know, Nancy. That`s what you`ll hear on tonight`s tape.
CJ do you have a date for that transcript please?
GRACE: … the tip is being explored. Also, Ms. Neves, while I`ve got you on the phone — with me is the paternal grandmother of little Haleigh, who goes missing out of her own bed — Ms. Neves, what about the pink T-shirt she was reported to be wearing the night she goes missing by Misty? Now we find out the police have that pink T-shirt. She wasn`t wearing it.
NEVES: We still say she was wearing it when she was put in bed.
GRACE: OK. So how did it reappear?
NEVES: I cannot answer that. I was not there when someone came in and took her. I don`t know.
GRACE: OK. Do you have any idea how they — where they found the pink T-shirt?
NEVES: No, ma`am.
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I don’t believe TN when she says she doesn’t know where the shirt was found,I just find it hard to believe Misty and Ron didn’t call her and say.”I just found Haleighs shirt” BS!!!!!
I read somewhere that Misty’s “3 Day Binge” was shorter, two nights and a day. That she left on Friday and came “home” (not to Ron’s but to her parents or something?)on Sunday morning. So I guess that would amount to 1-1/2 days, technically. Not that it really matters, but it is one of those sore spots with me, the type of rumor that prevails and persists in this situation. Does anyone else recall that?
Hi Noreen 🙂
FWIW, I have never seen you change your opinions on this case as far as what happened to HaLeigh. You have always been fair.
I have definitely seen you be “not-so-nice” to Art. And, well deserved, imo.
HaLeigh deserves all the people that care about her in the world, and the fact that you care about her comes through loud and clear. 🙂
for the record.. I like Art Harris.. and also the bald guy on Nancy Grace
Cate I would have to relisten to Gregs interview with AH but I believe he said he met Misty Friday night, she came back on Saturday, and he never saw her after that. Nay Nay said she dropped Misty off at her brothers early Sunday morning. So I also calculate that at less then 3 days of partying and sexing it up with Greg. Maybe AH just can’t count.
CathyJo63 said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 10:42 am
I don’t believe TN when she says she doesn’t know where the shirt was found,I just find it hard to believe Misty and Ron didn’t call her and say.”I just found Haleighs shirt” BS!!!!!
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IMO, there are certain things that the family has been told not to discuss by LE. I would think that this might be one of them. LE sure wasn’t forthcoming about it.
What is a family member to do when put on the spot when there is a topic they are not to discuss? An easy answer is “I don’t know the answer to that”. If the family member were to say “I’m not allowed to answer that”, that would simply lead to wild speculation. I think in a lot of cases when family members of missing people are out in the media, they do the best they can do with what they are allowed to “work with”. IMO.
Thanks for the research CathyJo on the babysitting question.
Misty had already said on camera where she found it??
jmo
I agree J. I think TN was just trying to be nice and not disclose what obviously LE would not want disclosed. Where the shirt was found could be vital to the investigation.
Cate (aka Kate) said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 10:43 am
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I sure do, Cate (Kate). 🙂
even if Misty lied b/c le told her too,you’d still think TN would keep the same story up!
I simply don’t believe she never talked to them about it,thats BS as I said…jmo
yvw Mary,Thats all i have ever found except when Flora told it,lol and God love her i think she axaggerates a bit? lol
Noreen–Amen to your 10:28 post. Very well said and very true!
CathyJo63 said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Misty had already said on camera where she found it??
jmo
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Well, without being mean, she really isn’t the brightest bulb in the box, is she?
She also said that she took a polygraph, that she wasn’t supposed to discuss it, then she went on to say that “yes, she took one and she did really well on it” (not her exact words, but she admitted she took one and that she thought she passed and it also said that she WAS home that night). I don’t think Misty has always done want LE wanted.
whylie,sec..lost it……….i’ll get the date!
Got it CJ, thanks
CJ: I thought that Misty and LE found it when they were searching thru the laundry to try to confirm exactly what HaLeigh was wearing like 1 or 2 days after she went missing?
Morning…..Afternoon for me…..
I am going to go listen to the actual audio in a minute BUT from reading the transcript AH is saying that he was on the phone with Hank and Lindsy and it was Lindsy that told him that.
Okey dokey. I guess that is grounds to use that tid bit as factual information, even though it makes absolutely no sense.
a general question: do all of you listen to the Simon show, do you call in, and do you chat in the room??
Misty Croslin Jailhouse Audio and Videotapes to Be Released
Aired February 2, 2010 – 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
Thats it WhyLie,lol shewww
OK, just got to comment on one thing that really, really bugs me. So many people, media and posters alike always keep saying “this beautiful little girl” when referring to Haleigh. So are you saying if she were an ugly little girl no one would care what happened to her? If she were not a beautiful blonde little girl but instead an ugly dark haired little girl it would be OK for her parents to be drug addicts and OK for her to either be murdered or stolen?
Every child deserves to be cared about no matter what they look like.
ILove,i tried too 2 weeks ago i believe,but it just roared in my head,lmbo which may not be the show,may just be my head,lol
Who Said that Lady?
I listen, don’t call in, and do join/monitor the chat room, usually. FYI
All children are beautiful, imo.
stilllucy said,in June 13th, 2010 at 10:57 am CJ: I thought that Misty and LE found it when they were searching thru the laundry to try to confirm exactly what HaLeigh was wearing like 1 or 2 days after she went missing?
Morning…..Afternoon for me…..
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Lucy,what i recall was agter an interrogator brought Misty back home,she found it in the laundry pile,so thats all I know!
Remember Sykes did the laundry
….roll eyes……..?
CathyJo, it is just one of those things I keep seeing in the posts “this beautiful little girl needs to be found”, “this beautiful little girl deserves justice”, “this beautiful little girl needs to be brought home to her family”, “the family loves this beautiful little girl”. Like if she were ugly no one would care?
LadySadie.. any child is beautiful.. a child is a gift.. think of creation.. a gift and a miracle… LOOKS play no part,,, in my opinion.
Children and animals NEED adults to take care of them….
what happened to HaLeigh? WHO dropped the ball and didn’t take their responsibility seriously?
Sorry CathyJo, I had to delete this comment. We can’t post articles from somewhere else in full and especially if we are not giving them credit for it.
Jan Barrett
Thanks, CJ. That’s what I remembered, too.
I get the laundry mistrees point.
WhyLie said,in June 13th, 2010 at 11:09 am All children are beautiful, imo
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Amen to that!
said,in June 13th, 2010 at 10:53 am CathyJo63 said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Misty had already said on camera where she found it??
jmo
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Well, without being mean, she really isn’t the brightest bulb in the box, is she?
She also said that she took a polygraph, that she wasn’t supposed to discuss it, then she went on to say that “yes, she took one and she did really well on it” (not her exact words, but she admitted she took one and that she thought she passed and it also said that she WAS home that night). I don’t think Misty has always done want LE wanted.
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True,same as Ron and TN!jmo
Feb. 12, 2009
Ronald Cummings pleads with the public on TV for the return of his daughter and states he had no involvement in his daughter’s disappearance and that Croslin is not at fault.
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3 days after and he is defending Misty already and so did TN!
But now they have turned on her? sheeeeesh
LadieSadie,
Not every child is beautiful “in looks” but yes they should all matter. The media in general gives more attention to “looks” it’s that Hollywood mentality. I also think it depends on how compelling the story is though.
Unfortunately beauty always gets more attention and doting, I know as a child people would rave about my sisters beauty and than add “oh and she’s cute too” in reference to me. lol That’s just the way it is I guess.
All kids are beautiful to me and deserve to be treated with equal regard.
LadySadie in my mind every child is beautiful and that means, boys or girls and I don’t care what color their hair or their skin or eyes are. To me a child is an innocent human being that deserves the right to live their life in full and not have it taken from them.
I hope this puts your mind at ease over your thought. All children are innocent as well. What could an infant or a toddler or even a school aged child do to deserve to be abused, beaten or killed. Absolutely NOTHING. They are too innocent period.
Sorry if this sounds like an outburst but I am very sensitive when it sounds as though we are being accused of being partial when it comes to these beautiful children that God gave to us as precious gifts to protect.
Please have a great day.
Jan Barrett
Amen, Jan.
Jan, I agree totally, every child is a precious gift, it just seems so much focus has been placed on Haleigh’s looks. And no your comment does not sound like an outburst at all. Thanks for taking the time to respond and I am looking forward to hearing you on the show this afternoon.
This is why I posted the statement last night about “opinions hold no credibility”. You can post what you want where you want.
As far as the pink shirt…I remember Misty saying that is was what “Haleigh was wearing”. I think Misty was thinking of that day when Haleigh probably had it on wearing it to play outside, remember on the LDT “it was sunny outside”. After that Misty was drunk and drugged up with Tommy and Joe. She tells LE that Haleigh was in her Jammies when she went to bed, etc.
Then I distinctly remember LE being at the MH doing a search, when Misty “located the pink shirt in a laundry pile behind the door”. WHY was that not found that night?? (that’s my first question)
So, it tells me that Misty last saw Haleigh when it was “sunny outside” and then she took off with NayNay to get some more drugs for everyone. She left Tommy and Joe there to watch the kids while she left. She came back and crashed out. When she woke up, Haleigh was gone. She didnt know for sure that Haleigh was in her pajamas or not, because she wasn’t there when Haleigh put them on. She just last remembers the pink shirt.
OR
She has blocked everything out of her mind between seeing Haleigh all fine and good that day in the pink shirt playing outside and Tommy and Joe partying with her and the AC man that day and the kids watching movies. I think the rest of her story is routine stuff (ie. I made dinner, put the kids to bed at 8, etc)and were used as fillers for her laps in time. The next she knows, she woke up and Haleigh was gone.
I personally think it happened way before Ron got home and that she was searching for a while in a panic.
CathyJo,
do you no why Misty was supposed to baby
sit Tommy’s kids that night? Lindsy was
at school until 10:00pm that night wasn’t
she.?
OMG Jannnnnnn,I am sorry but i forgot about that,which is stupid really,its on the the N/G site and no one else can post it for the 2-3 people left in the entire world who haven’t seen it!!!!!!
Good Golly!
Like I say,Hair today,
Gone tomorrow! jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Feb. 12, 2009
Ronald Cummings pleads with the public on TV for the return of his daughter and states he had no involvement in his daughter’s disappearance and that Croslin is not at fault.
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3 days after and he is defending Misty already and so did TN!
But now they have turned on her? sheeeeesh
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Things change CathyJo. People’s opinions change too, which people have a right to do. I was one of the most ardent Misty supporters, probably more than OJ but my opinions changed too. I still don’t think she had anything to do with Haleigh being gone but she damn sure has covered for someone for the last year and a half and in my eyes she is no better than the person that took Haleigh which I believe to be Tommy.
Thats my understanding that she was,so I am confused about that?
I don’t think Ronald wanted her too,which also makes me wonder though if Misty went to Tommys to babysit and took Haleigh and Jr?
Remember the 9:13 call??
True Vaq,you’re right,I think she’s protecting Ron…jmo
actually Vaq,I guess i should have added,TN knew Misty had been away on the binge and TN did as well as Sykes who said she was even mad at Misty for leaving,but TN still gives her an Heirloom and says she’s the best g/f Ron ever had? after Haleigh went missing!
# 59 on the Ron Petition said that they would Ron out if he wasn’t released by the time the petition posted! Does any one know if Ron has been bailed out?
I think an interesting point is to watch who turns on who.
I think Lyndsy found out Tommy lied to her. So she is divorcing him and probably has agreed to testify with LE against him (about him being gone that night) to save her own arse! (she lied for him being home that night)
I think Ron has found out Misty lied to him. So he is testifying against her (for the drugs, ie, her hx and connections) with LE to save his own arse! (he found out she was with WBG and he found out she is not telling the truth about Tommy)
Hope that makes sense? Lyndsy lied and can get in trouble, and Ron found out about a lie so he will use it to get out of trouble.
CathyJo
no I don’t remember the 9:13 call.
Boy,, the Anthony’s better do some back pedaling
they have done nothing but lie to LE.
I don’t think Misty would protect Ron, at least not in exchange for her doing 50-75 years in prison.
Search For Haleigh Enters Fourth Week
Family Shares Home Video Of Missing Girl
POSTED: Monday, March 2, 2009
An Amber Alert was issued Feb. 10, 2009, for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings
MORE ONLINE:
Haleigh Cummings Disappearance Timeline
Tour Of Satsuma Home Where Haleigh Disappeared
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — As the search for Haleigh Cummings entered its fourth week on Tuesday, the missing 5-year-old’s family shared a home video of the girl with the public.
They said the video was recorded about six months ago. It shows the Haleigh happy and playing with her brother and a friend.
Investigators in Putnam County have followed thousands of leads, but the family told Channel 4 that authorities said they are no closer to finding Haleigh than they were the morning of Feb. 10 — the day an Amber Alert was issued.
“What they tell me is they’re working the leads that they have. I’m hoping that goes somewhere,” said Haleigh’s grandmother, Teresa Neves.
On Monday, a tip led investigator to a mobile home just down the road from the home from Haleigh was last seen. The homeowner there said detectives questioned him about a doorbell.
“It was just another tip they’re following up on, which is good. They have to follow up on every tip. The only thing everybody cares about is this child that’s missing, so it’s not any inconvenience to me or my family. They’re more than welcome to come any time they need to. A tip is a tip,” said neighbor Marty Hubbard.
He said the investigators were looking specifically for a doorbell that chimed like a grandfather clock, and that some tip or lead led them to his house. Hubbard said he doesn’t have a doorbell.
Investigators said they would continuing to do what they’ve done since Haleigh disappeared 21 days ago — follow up on new tips.
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Wonder what it was with the doorbell chime sound?
Alex it looked like a lot people signed that
just to say How bad Ron is.
If they had to sign it to remark.
Alex
The person that put all the crap on I-report
to bash Lindsy is on there, with the same
report.
CJ, if I remember correctly the door chime came from a tip somebody sent in about a video that somebody had made. On the video there was a grandfather clock or something. I guess the sound was on many of her/his videos.
In other words, as far as I know, it was a big goof up that LE had to follow up on.
oh sorry cricket,it has been said that A call was placed from Tommys home at 2:13,just before the call we heard to 911 at 3:27?
Cricket- a lot signed saying they thought he should be released but # 59 said he/she would bail Ron out! I wonder if between April 21 and now he/she changed their mind!
Tommy is the one who was at the scene. He even places himself there that night again, even after he admits being there earlier to party with Misty and Joe and the AC guy. (Now he has added seeing Joe with Haleigh in the van that night and being threatened). So, he places himself there again even later that night!! Only he is lying about who had Haleigh and who was threatening who and who took Haleigh to the river. (I think Joe is involved…somehow).
Misty says from the beginning that they were both f’d up that night.
We know from the tapes that Lyndsy lied and tried to get the story straight with him about that night. She asks him ‘you were with me all night, right?’ (not the exact words). However, Tommy ignores that, because I think LE already knows differently. He is now more forcused on “You know that I know what I am doing when I am on those pills”. Why does Tommy feel the need to try and convince Lyndsy that he knows what he is doing while high?? hmmmm
To me, if I was on the jury, that would be the one damning sentence that would hang him!!
I think Tommy has admitted more to LE than we know of. I think Lyndsy knows too and Ron is slowly finding this out and piecing it together.
Just my opinion.
Jen,sorry but I don’t buy it,Ron lied from the second of the 911 and defended and married her?? jmo
JenM, I think we will see an indictment come out charging Tommy with this crime, whatever it turns out to be.
omg WhyLie,seriously?
I wondered why I’d never heard much about it,that splains it,lol
CJ maybe Ron married Misty because she was about to leave the state and that was the only way he knew of to keep her in Florida.
Wednesday, April 21, 2010
Criminal Profiling Topic of the Day:
Ronald Cummings is “Only Disappointed” the Bitch got his Child Stole
Gotta love defense lawyers! Ronald Cumming’s defense lawyer, Terry Shoemaker, has just come out with two mind-boggling statements. One is that the police told Ronald, “If you divorce Misty, we’ll find something out. She’ll crack” and “If Misty got in trouble, in jail, we could probably get her to crack.” I guess Ronald’s mother was right that he “only dealt drugs to get close to Misty after the divorce, in order to learn what happened to Haleigh.”
Let’s see now; Ronald married Misty to get “his enemy near” him because that would get him information. Then he divorces because the police told him to, because that would get him information. Then he deals drugs with her and helps them set up a sting to get her arrested because that will get him information. I don’t think I have ever seen such a complex ongoing plan. Ronald is also an amazing actor to be able to play the loving husband, then divorce her because he failed in his mission, then take up with her again to get her busted selling drugs, and pretend to be the felon while waiting for her to crack. This is the real world folks, not a fictional crime drama.
And now, we have a new incredible comment of Ronald’s via his lawyer. Apparently, Ron is not mad at Misty, “only disappointed” that she couldn’t confide in him for an entire year, forcing him and his family to suffer needlessly. He hopes the reason she withheld the truth was that she was “threatened” or “forced” to keep quiet.
I am finding his kindly attitude hard toward Misty hard to swallow (as I always have find it abnormal). Disappointed? You can be disappointed someone didn’t give you a job, disappointed your child didn’t get good grades in school, disappointed that your mate doesn’t want to go away for the weekend. You are usually mad as hell when you find out your spouse cheated on you, a drunk driver killed your son, or your druggie girlfriend “got your daughter stole.”
Not Ronnie. Even though he swore he’d kill the person who took his kid, he isn’t even mad when he finds out his girlfriend/wife/girlfriend was involved in his child’s disappearance and lied to him over and over and over again.
Maybe it is true that he has been doing an undercover job for the police trying to get Misty to slip up. Or, maybe, he knows she finally has slipped up and he is sending her a message through his lawyer. He needs her continued cooperation to save his own butt so he can’t be too nasty. He is letting her know that he is “disappointed” (you gave up the information you shouldn’t have) and he hopes that she was forced or threatened (you better just have slipped up under pressure and you better not be about to roll over on me).
Seems more like the defense lawyer is working overtime to paint Ronald as a victim and sympathetic figure. He is giving too much information which leads me to believe he is working on a defense in a murder case, not a drug dealing case.
Maybe I am wrong and we will find out the Ronald Cummings really did spend the year helping the police nail Misty. If this turns out to be the case, Ron can play himself in the movie because he is one hell of an actor and I will pay the $12 to be there on opening night.
Wasn’t Ron put in GP?
Wasn’t Ron put in GP?
CJ I can’t swear to it but that is the rumblings I got on other forums about it the chime.
WhyLie,not imo……sorry,They got JO out of TN,Chelsea and tim from Mass!!!!!!!
Thanks, Jan.. I totally know you would never mispell or deem disrespect, especially to a child……
Blessings….
CJ Misty was a minor and the last person known to have been with Haleigh. If I was Ron I would have gone to hell and back to keep Misty in Florida.
brb phone
Well, I think Ron is innocent. He may be a messed up guy, but the 911 tape with him is about as real as a person can be. He is freaking out, he is wanting to get his daughter and is dealing with Misty being stupid on the phone and being mad at her for letting it happen. Listen to the tape again and tell me someone could possibly act like that after getting home from work. It’s no act. Here is the tape.
http://www.zimbio.com/Haleigh+Cummings/articles/12/Haleigh+Cummings+911+Call+Misty+Croslin
WhyLie
wasn’t Ron put in GP ?
WL, I would agree. Put yourself in Ron’s shoes and I think I would of done exactly what he did. I personally think he loved Misty and so did his family. I also have seen abused people get closer to the abuser after the situation. Ron was trying to get Misty to stay with him and she was running off to other guys. That was emotionally abusive to him. Marrying her would do the trick. He even stood up for her.
This is what abused people do. It’s a pattern. Think about the women who are physically abused by men. They will take up for them and lie for them and cover their abusive relationship. They love that person in a sick way. Same thing with Ron. He loved Misty in a very dysfunctional way. Maybe being away from her has helped him. Same with her. They were very co dependent on each other. Especially if you add in the drugs and alcohol.
Just my thoughts.
Later all.
Cricket as far as I know Ron is in GP in Putnam.
Since Werter went public and released supposed info given to him by TC, such as Haleigh be killed in the MH, could Werter doing that have any consequences on a trial?
I thought there was some type of confidentiality between attorney and client and yet Werter publicly puts Tommy at the scene and participating to some degree in the crime.
Maybe Terry Shoemaker is the Kim Picazzio for the Cummings Family!
WhyLie,
Don’t jails or prison Have like cardinal
rule about baby killers, if thier in Gp,
Ron would have the hell beat out of him
every chance they got or possiably kill
him. I don’t think thats a rumor thats pretty
mush what happens.
Cricket I think that is probably why they have not let TC and MC go into GP.
WhyLie
sorry, I thought you said he was in GP.
did I read that wrong ?
WhyLie
sorry again I did read that wrong.
If Ron’s in GP why would they not
punish Ron. What do we no that his
jail buddies don’t no ?
Cricket, Ron is in GP, Tommy and Misty are not, as far as I know.
Cricket said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
WhyLie
wasn’t Ron put in GP ?
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Hi Cricket,
I’m not WhyLie, but I can answer this.
Ronald was moved to GenPop the day that LE called the family into the meeting about the River Search. He requested the move to GenPop, and his request was granted.
Cricket, I think if LE/DOC thought Ron was in any danger they would not have put him in GP.
I am curious as to who this “Bubba” person is? Is this perhaps Ron’s Uncle that goes by this name or?
Alexandria Loring said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Maybe Terry Shoemaker is the Kim Picazzio for the Cummings Family!
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What similarities do you see between Shoemaker and Picazio?
Shoemaker has never been blogging online on various forums. He doesn’t take phone calls from “strangers” off the internet. He has gone on television bashing Crystal Sheffield, HaLeigh’s mother, or starting rumors about Crystal or other family members of the other side of the family.
Matter of fact, I don’t really see Terry Shoemaker working very hard for Ronald Cummings, IMO. (Of course, we do not know what he is doing behind the scenes and he may be working quite hard and I hope he is, because all people deserve an attorney that works hard for him).
The only similarity I see between the two is that Terry Shoemaker does appear to like being on television. 😉
I guess I just don’t how to say this right,
everyone here is saying Ron did it or no’s
what happened to Haleigh. Why don’t His
his jail mates think he did. If they did
Ron would be screaming to get out of GP.
Hope I worded it right this time.
Cricket not everyone here is saying Ron did it, I know I don’t believe Ron did anything to harm Haleigh. I think Ron must know he is pretty safe in jail or he wouldn’t have gone into GP.
Now we have heard on tapes it is not the same with TC and MC, inmates even screaming at them, “Where’s the baby” “Where’s Haleigh”, so I don’t think they would be safe in GP.
JenM said,in June 13th, 2010 at 12:18 pm Well, I think Ron is innocent. He may be a messed up guy, but the 911 tape with him is about as real as a person can be. He is freaking out, he is wanting to get his daughter and is dealing with Misty being stupid on the phone and being mad at her for letting it happen. Listen to the tape again and tell me someone could possibly act like that after getting home from work. It’s no act. Here is the tape.
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I agree with you 100%. In my opinion, this man showed MORE emotion than anyone–genuine emotion that is. If he would have been cool, calm, and collected than he would be assumed guilty too because of his total lack of emotion. I never thought one minute that he faked that 911 call at all.
J- There are two ways of pointing fingers direct and indirect. Picazio is direct
Shoemaker- is indirect! Both are trying to say their side didn’t do it!
I checked to see if the little boy named Kyron from Portland, Oregon was found yet. Apparently not.
I wonder if most all the homes there in the area are in actual side by side neghborhoods or is this country land or?
One home that I saw in an article had a dirt road leading up to it from off of a main road. There were trees every where and the vegetation looked rather dense.
I imagine searching in areas like that must be very difficult especially when you have people who are either refusing to allow LE to search or other.
Does LE need permission to search these properties?
What about inside the homes?
If LE is allowed to search the properties can they also ask to search the homes as well? If the owner allows a property search but refuses to allow LE into the home would that be cause for a search warrant?
I ask that because if say LE had gone to a property to search and were not able to contact the property owner then what?
What if LE were searching near the correct area but the owner was eluding LE?
Another thing I was wondering about is are LE using sniffer search dogs as they are scouring the area?
It appears that Tommy & Misty have friends in jail as well as enemies. Someone is doing Misty’s hair. Tommy may have friends because he has/had Lindsy make phone calls, deliver messages for other inmates. To some extent I believe that the inmates, like us, have different opinions of who they beleive and/or what benefits them.
If I’m correct, Tommy & Misty are in a different jail then Ron. It could be that where TC & MC are they don’t want to take any chances because if they are innocent and something happens what a lawsuit. In Ron’s case the jail may not care about lawsuits or they beleive he’s guilty and deserves what he gets!
Alexandria Loring said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
J- There are two ways of pointing fingers direct and indirect. Picazio is direct
Shoemaker- is indirect! Both are trying to say their side didn’t do it!
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Hi Alexandria,
I definitely agree there are direct and indirect approaches to “finger pointing”.
I guess my question to you is what specifically do you see Terry Shoemaker doing that is pointing the finger at the Sheffield/Griffis family?
(LOL and I agree that Picazio was VERY direct in her approach)
J- He’s pointing at Misty!
Alex, I am thinking that TC’s and MC’s friends are also in lockdown not in GP. Different ballgame in GP.
Don’t point!It might go off and kill somebody!lol
JenM said,in June 13th, 2010 at 12:18 pm Well, I think Ron is innocent. He may be a messed up guy, but the 911 tape with him is about as real as a person can be. He is freaking out, he is wanting to get his daughter and is dealing with Misty being stupid on the phone and being mad at her for letting it happen. Listen to the tape again and tell me someone could possibly act like that after getting home from work. It’s no act. Here is the tape.
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I getcha but why did he turn right around and say he never said that about Misty!!!!!!!!
ok then,how do yall explain Ron saying,
All I want is my childs LIFE back???
WhyLie- but if moved to GP they may also find friends there! I think it’s the jail keeping them in GP, maybe they don’t want a bunch of other people putting more ideas into Misty’s already confused head! With Tommy, I don’t know if any of you are offended by his cursing but I am. He doesn’t seem to be able to control his mouth, in my home he would never come out of “time out”!
Ron is in the other jail, he is far more intimidating then Tommy, at least to me. If he can control his temper he may do fine there with others from his hood that he is locked up with! If tempers flare, he’ll be back in PC!
WhyLie- I meant keeping them in PC not GP!
Alex, Tommy scares me a lot more then Ron does. People are usually kept in PC for their own protection. It is the responsibility of DOC to see to it that prisoners are not harmed. Safest way to do that in a case like this one is to keep the prisoners in PC.
I don’t think Ron is in any danger by being in GP because Haleigh is missing, at least I hope not, since I truly believe he was at work and had nothing to do with the crime/s committed that night.
I wonder if Greg (WBG) is in GP.
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, and there was also apparently a footprint in the dirt. I don’t know if that was a recent print or whether that was an old one. But what can you tell me about efforts to at least search to see whether or not you can determine where the child may have gone?
HARDY: Greta, we called in a team of bloodhounds, and they — several different bloodhound units. And they came out. And I’m sure you know these bloodhounds, their noses are very sensitive, and they did follow some tracking, but we don’t know exactly how old the tracks could have been. And as far as the footprint that you’re talking about, that’s news to me. I don’t know of any footprint at this point.
the bed, as well? Because I know there’s another child in the home.
HARDY: No, there was a brother in the home, a younger brother.
VAN SUSTEREN: But he wasn’t in the same bed with the girlfriend and the missing child?
HARDY: No, ma’am. He was — I believe he was in another room, another bed or another — another bedding area. I don’t believe he was on the same bed, no.
Geez Hardy, Get a clue, read the police report. Child’s footprint found in the woods near the pond. This case has been so flubbed from the start, imo.
(ph), Florida. We live about an hour and 45 minutes from here.
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, do you know of any problems in that home?
GRIFFIS: In the past, Haleigh and Junior have told us that, you know, they’ve been hit and stuff like that, but up to this point, everything was fine.
Exactly my point WhyLie,why i posted it?
Sure makes ya wonder!
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VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever met her, Marie?
GRIFFIS: I have never officially been introduced to her. I saw her in Ronald’s car one weekend when we took Haleigh and Junior back to their dad on a Sunday, and she was sitting in the car. And I don’t know who she is, never spoke to her. All I know is Haleigh and Junior told me that they liked her, that she was nice to them.
GRIFFIS: Crystal, do you know the girlfriend at all? I mean, have you ever, like, had any conversations with her in any depth? Do you know what kind of person she is, anything about her?
SHEFFIELD: No, I don’t. I’ve talked to her. She seemed like a really nice person, but I’ve never sat down and had a conversation with her. And the kids told me that…
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, I don’t mean to…
SHEFFIELD: … They loved her.
VAN SUSTEREN: How long, Crystal, has she been in the children’s lives?
SHEFFIELD: Probably four to six months? I’m not really sure.
Geee Marie, up until now everything has been fine other then the kids being hit. Good Lord.
WhyLie- In Sacramento County most of the People in PC are Civil Commitments, they are contempt of court charges for things as simple as not sending a completed form in with your child support (5 days), not showing up for Jury Duty (hold you until your willing), material witness (hold till you testify), then the mentally ill and the ones they fear may be hurt by GP. So I would rather have some of the people in PC being my friends then in GP!
I guess Marie doesn’t think kids being “hit” is a big deal.
rofl,not funny but i swear WhyLie thats exactly what i said when i saw it?
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Now, Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, joins us live, along with Crystal Cummings, Ronald’s sister. Good evening to both of you. And Ronald, I know how distressed you are because everyone has told me. And the only thing I can hope is that we can at least shed more light on it and get more information so that people call in with tips.
So let me — let’s — let me try to ask you some questions about it. What time did you arrive home, Ronald, on Tuesday morning?
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER: Approximately 3:30.
VAN SUSTEREN: And when you walked in the door — take me through every step. You walked in the door. Was your girlfriend up at that point?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Yes. I never walked through the door. I pulled in the yard. She — the door was open. She was standing there and waiting on me. I asked her what she was still doing up, and she then told me that the back — she got up to use the restroom, and the back door was wide open and that my daughter was missing.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was the child — was your daughter missing when she got up to use the restroom, or between the time she got up to use the restroom and returned to bed? Did she tell you that?
RONALD CUMMINGS: I’m not sure. I never asked.
???????????????????? wth Not?
VAN SUSTEREN: Ronald, always in every investigation, the person that people focus on are the people who last saw the child, so obviously, your girlfriend has got — you know, there’s a lot of focus on her. Is there any reason that you have any suspicion that your girlfriend knows more than she’s saying, Ronald?
RONALD CUMMINGS: No, there is not. And I would like for a lot of the false allegations to be discarded. There’s been a lot of false allegations made by the mother and her mother. And I just don’t — I don’t appreciate it. It’s not a custody battle. This here is about finding a 5-year-old missing child, my daughter.
VAN SUSTEREN: It’s unusual for a father to have custody. Why do you — did you win custody in a battle for this child?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely, I did.
VAN SUSTEREN: What happened? Explain — explain — you know — you know, usually, the mother gets the custody. Why did the court give you custody of your child?
RONALD CUMMINGS: The only way I can honestly answer you that without being rude to others is they chose the better parent and the one who could provide better for the two children.
Alex, definitely safer for some people to be in PC then in GP for sure.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?
RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I’m not sure. You’ll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I’m not sure.
Boy Crystal sure used a lot of past tense in that interview, she was nice to them, they liked her.
“We have nothing definitive to say where the child is based on the bloodhounds,” Hardy told reporters at a Thursday news conference.
He said evidence has been collected from the mobile home where Haleigh lived with her 3-year-old brother Junior, her father Ronald Cummings and Croslin — but declined to describe it.
“I can’t discuss what evidence was taken into custody,” Hardy said. “I don’t want to reveal what was found or not found.”
so did Marie WhyLie!
Police had never been called to the home in the past — but there havebeen prior problems with Cummings, Croslin and the children, according to Putnam County Capt. Steve Rose.
“There have been some investigations done through the department of children and family,” Rose told FOX News on Wednesday. He didn’t elaborate.
John Harrell, spokesman for the northeast region of the Florida Department of Children and Families, said Thursday that his agency “was involved with the family.” Harrell would not offer any details, citing state confidentiality laws.
Cummings said his girlfriend was awake and frantic after she found Haleigh was gone. But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his “dumb bitch girlfriend” told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.
“Ronald said that he did not know what Haleigh was wearing, and that all he knew was that the back door was standing open. Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said ‘When I find him I’ll kill him,’” police wrote in the report.
He referred to a 9mm Beretta handgun he owns and said if authorities found his daughter’s kidnapper, “he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car,” the police report said.
It’s hard for me to understand those who are defending Ron but are against Misty! If you beleive Ron when he says he didn’t do anything to Haleigh, why don’t you beleive it when he says Misty would never do anything to hurt HaLeigh?
The mother, Crystal Sheffield, had not seen or spoken to her daughter for two weeks, due to the father having custody.
Crystal had reported domestic violence, but like so many women found herself re-victimized in the courts. Instead of receiving protection and help, this mom did not receive a protective order due to claims of insufficient evidence per Baker County Records.
Later, it appears she was prosecuted for trying to get protection. This is very common where women who have children cannot receive protection. They are unfairly portrayed as being vindictive instead of being truly in fear for their own safety and the safety of their children. The result of this horrible re-victimization in court is the loss of custody of the children.
Sheffield said she believed her two children with Cummings – Haleigh and Ronald Jr. – would have been safer with her. Perhaps this custody arrangement was NOT in the children’s best interest.
The Fox News interview by Greta Van Susteren and Haleigh’s mom is heartbreaking.
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Oh Gimme a braek!!!!!!!!!
Alex,I don’t know who you are asking but my answer would be that I am on the same level with all parties,I consider most as lies with bits of truth and from knowing their behaviors you can pretty much tell what fits where,lol all I can say,My theory is now,ron was the man in black but that still leaves me open to what If i’m wrong?? I trust all of em as far as i could slig em’
But no matter where it takes me,in the end I just pray we find Haleigh!
Alex,I put it out there on all parties,If i see sommin rc said,I’ll post it,Misty too,I’ll post it…….and on down the line,I am only on Haleighs side!!!!!!!
and imo they are all capable!!!!!!!!!!
whylie,remember MG saying,Haleighs ok,she’s crying for her mommy and daddy right now,but she’s ok?
I don’t buy none of it!
CJ- I agree- I wasn’t really asking anyone just a rhetorical question!
in jail PC is called “punk city”..
to be there you are viewed in very low esteem by fellow cons.
Alex, I don’t think Misty would harm Haleigh, and I pray that I am right about that. I would hate it if somebody that Haleigh loves would harm her in any way.
I still think Tommy is in it up to his ears.
texasmommy39, this is muggy Florida, they don’t have the same air units ontop of the trailer.. these are heat pumps outside the trailer.. If the heat pump wasn’t working well, then he only has to check the unit outside, and who is to say he didn’t have a key to the house from the realty office just incase, so he could check the thermostat.. If he were there for a seasonal
which February would not be inline with Spring filter changing.. Have you ever heard a confirmation from PCSO that the man was there and he saw Misty, Tommy or the kids?? If you have, I have surly missed the interview with pcso… We have what ron has stated, misty has stated and GGSykes.. and the neigbor who saw kids, lives on the other side of the wooded area between his house and ron’s, and his house faces Tyler Rd..
What if somebody in Haleigh’s family paid somebody, like Tommy, to get Haleigh?
WhyLie,it would fit,Often wondered myself!
I wonder if he and Chad knew one another b/c everybody knows Ron and Tommy hated one another? just thinking out loud,
No way Tommy would not roll on someone if he knew anything he would tell to get out of jail and save his family. I beliee he went with the Joe theory out of desperation because he knew Lindsy was on the verge of leaving. jmo
Is Lindsey Croslin the ONLY LINDSEY in this case????
Alexandria Loring said,in June 13th, 2010 at 2:33 pm CJ- I agree- I wasn’t really asking anyone just a rhetorical question!
OK,LOL
mlee–Do you happen to know the neighbors names or where I can find that information? TIA
No Cathy there is one who went on the weekend with NayNay and Misty who lives in Flagler Estates. The one who is a prostitute. jmo
In nay nays video she says a girl named Lindsey was with them too??? so i wondered and then I heard Lindsey on tape say she actually liked NayNay??
CathyJo63 said,in June 13th, 2010 at 2:28 pm Alex,I don’t know who you are asking but my answer would be that I am on the same level with all parties,I consider most as lies with bits of truth and from knowing their behaviors you can pretty much tell what fits where,lol all I can say,My theory is now,ron was the man in black but that still leaves me open to what If i’m wrong?? I trust all of em as far as i could slig em’
But no matter where it takes me,in the end I just pray we find Haleigh.
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Part of the AC/Heat unit is outside, part is inside.
tobias said,in June 13th, 2010 at 2:41 pm No Cathy there is one who went on the weekend with NayNay and Misty who lives in Flagler Estates. The one who is a prostitute. jmo
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And this is important how???? lmao Thats why I asked,lol jmo
Padilla and the laptop,lol sheeeeesh
In Florida routine maintenance on AC units is done in the winter when the companies are less busy.
You can be a hooker and don’t even have to stand on the corner and imo thats Lindsey!
brb I saw somewhere it said the a/c guy was a neighbor,don’t take it for the truth tho but lemme see if i can locate it again!
CJ, what is interesting about that episode with Lindsy, Nay Nay, and Misty, is that Nay Nay and Misty were uncomfortable in the situation, clung onto WBG, and would not partake of the drugs being offered them.
PC is reserved for high profile inmates, justice department officials(police officers, probation officials, judges,ie),A felony inmates(murder, rape, arson,can include crimes against children but not always)and those that are considered escape risks or have shown violent tendencies toward staff or other inmates.
I think that covers it. All of these goof balls would qualify.
Cathy, Cobra would have jumped all over that if that was the case. I am sure he checked out the story she gave him. I am curious about the comment she made about Misty talking to Ron like she didnt want NayNay to know and then asked for condoms. NayNay knew Misty was going back to Ron.jmo
This is from Americas Most Wanted!
Search For Haleigh Gets National Attention
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Haleigh’s family has shared photos with the media, pleading for the girl’s safe return.
Cops say they are looking at all avenues right now and will leave no stone unturned in the search for Haleigh.
Aerial searches for Haleigh continued for several days, in addition to ongoing ground searches, which involved 104 people on Day 1 and 70 on Day 2.
Divers are searched sections of the St. Johns River, located only 400 yards from the front door of Haleigh’s home. Capt. Rose said the focus on the river is due to it’s close proximity.
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office Lead Investigator Jon Merchant said cadaver dogs, bloodhounds, article search dogs, dive teams and marine units were involved.
Sixteen FBI agents flew in to work on timelines on Feb. 11, 2009 and other agencies assisting that day included: St. Johns County, Flagler County, Volusia County, Marion County, the Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement, the State Attorney, 7th Circuit and various Fla. volunteer emergency service groups, Inv. Merchant said.
Team Adam was on the scene for Day 2 of the search and Texas Equusearch arrived on Day 3 and began their search the next day.
Investigators said the mounted team would be able to cover areas that are hard to reach on foot.
Inv. Merchant said there are conflicting witness statements over whether or not the back door was locked. In the 9-1-1 call, Misty tells the operator that the door is always locked.
Misty, Ronald and other family members, including grandparents on both sides, have been questioned by police and additional interviews are planned.
Investigators say their main focus is just to find the little girl whose disappearance is now being investigated as an abduction.
“You wonder how a child can be taken out of a bedroom, but it happens,” Inv. Merchant said.
Capt. Rose said they have identified and located 44 sex offenders within a 5 mile radius of the home and most or all of them have been contacted by police.
Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh’s disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.
Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi.
Police have not focused the investigation on any individual at this point.
“All the world is a suspect right now,” Major Gary Bowling of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said.
right Tobias,and Ron hated NayNay!
NayNay was a close friend of Amber’s.
WTH???
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095
SATSUMA, FL — It’s those last moments before Haleigh Cummings disappeared that police want to know about.
They are relying on a four-year-old, Haleigh’s little brother, Ronald Junior, for help.
“He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn’t know anything…said he was asleep,” Haleigh’s great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday.
Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.
“They questioned Junior. I asked them (police) about it. They couldn’t tell me anything other than he’s a little child. He was questioned and the story went from one thing to another and another,” says Sykes.
WhyLie said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
CJ, if I remember correctly the door chime came from a tip somebody sent in about a video that somebody had made. On the video there was a grandfather clock or something. I guess the sound was on many of her/his videos.
In other words, as far as I know, it was a big goof up that LE had to follow up on.
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Actually it was Patty G’s of Websleuth’s clock that chimed. She video tapes her TV and sometimes you can hear the dogs barking and she gives occasional commentary.
I believe he hated her because she was talking Misty into leaving him. She knew all about Ron from Amber, she knew he was abussive. I think she thought if she got Misty away from him she wouldnt go back. jmo
Right Lucy!!!!!!
Hank Sr. said she wouldn’t stop hanging out with those 2?
The Lindsey that Nay Nay talked about early on is not Lindsy Croslin. The other Lindsey was a minor back then.
TY Vaq,yea somebody told me what happened,LoL I FORGOT WHO THO NOW? SORRY WHOEVER YA ARE,LOL
NayNay is who ron told Cobra introduced Misty to WBG!
“He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn’t know anything…said he was asleep,” Haleigh’s great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday.
“They questioned Junior. I asked them (police) about it. They couldn’t tell me anything other than he’s a little child. He was questioned and the story went from one thing to another and another,” says Sykes.
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Since when did she got there 10 minutes after she was gone?
Maybe Ron did not want Misty hanging with Nay Nay and Amber for the very same reasons Misty’s dad didn’t want her hanging out with them. They were bad news.
something i saw yesterday to but can’t find it now,made me think though?
why would the le,knowing Rons daughter was missing?? go after Ronald in the drug sting?
If they thought he was innocent,why did they want him to begin with?
b/c we know Misty was alone other times?
Ok, just thought of this.
I am trying to think why NayNay’s keys to her car where found on the dirt road by the MH and they found antifreeze on the dirt road. Now, as far as I know, they located NayNay’s car (of course the keys fit) and she had antifreeze spilled in her trunk.
NayNay also alludes to Haleigh being put in the trunk of her car and taken to the river by a “couple of guys” at a party.
Now, my thoughts are…
WHO dropped NayNay’s keys in the dirt?
Did Tommy and Joe use her car to take Haleigh to the river?
Was Tommy over at NayNay’s that night and forget to give her the keys back?
Did Tommy lose them and go back at 10:00 at night to the MH to search for them?
Did NayNay come over, get too messed up to drive home, so Joe drove the van and Tommy drove her in her car and forgot to leave the keys with her?
etc.
For some reason, I think it is possible that NayNays car was used, just like she said. Why else put that story out there.
My beleif is that there is a whole different culture and mentality of the people there and these young girls don’t tell on their men!!! I also think they put up with cheating and abuse. It’s the norm. We don’t understand it, so it is difficult to determine why they say things the way they do. Misty has been taught better than to tell on her brother. Look at the consequences if she does. She would rather sit it out and suffer, hoping LE figures it out. That way she won’t be guilty of ratting him out. In the drug world, you don’t rat people out, it can cost you your life. This is how they operate. You don’t tell. You let the cops figure it out. The cops are the enemy to them. They are not to be trusted.
CJ I am sure she meant she got there 10 minutes after she got the call. You have to remember the state of mind these people were in while being bombarded with questions by a multitude of media.
RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, maybe these (EXPLETIVE DELETED) won`t lock me up for the rest of my life anyway.
TERESA NEVES: They ought to let you out for helping them (EXPLETIVE DELETED), I mean, shoot.
RONALD CUMMINGS: I`m innocent. I tell you, I`m innocent.
TERESA NEVES: You are? Yes. I believe you are. I know you wouldn`t do nothing like that.
RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, you never know what they can prove, though.
TERESA NEVES: Oh I know they don`t got it all out there. They got it on audio and video and pictures, and so I mean, they`re —
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Ya never know what they can PROVE?
Teresa asked in a way that she was shocked he was saying he didn’t do it,lol sheeeesh
WhyLie said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
What if somebody in Haleigh’s family paid somebody, like Tommy, to get Haleigh?
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Or perhaps paid Tommy to unlock the door; either when he was there earlier in the day or when he went back later in the evening? (Which of course he denies and allegedly failed the polygraph question regarding. Of course, he DID place himself at the crime scene in the time frame LE is looking at)
JenM Nay Nay’s keys were not found near the MH. They were found in San Mateo, allegedly, during the fake search, if I remember correctly.
OfCourse I do WhyLie,but i’d also be in state to help? first,make sure of your statements,one or 2 i can see,but not as aften as they have….jmo though!
I’d say Haleigh wasn’t in the best state either! everybodys guarding them tho! jmo tho,sorry……
If they didn’t suspect Ron,why make sure he’s seen taking the money for the drugs??
WL, I thought they were near the MH. Oh well, who knows. We only know what the media tells us, and of course LE, with their mixed up facts. They can’t even get the times right on their reports.
However, I read the letter from NayNay and it did say about the party and the two guys and her trunk of her car, but she exclaimed that it was all a lie, and she didn’t know why someone would make that up.
I am gonna stick with the belief that Tommy did this and there were some others involved. I think LE is looking to find those others and piece this together before they put out any more info.
JenM, Tommy is my prime suspect as well. Not sure of the “why” or who else is involved but I think he is in it up to his ears.
bbib
CJ I think a lot of it is LE telling them not to say anything to media, then they are bombarded by media, tons of questions, cameras. These are uneducated country folks, I can see how they could be intimidated by all the media, and then having to guard everything that you do say and how you say it.
I think little things like them getting there in 10 minutes or 15 minutes or 20 minutes is just not important at the way I perceive the situation.
NOW a mother and grandmother taking apx 6-8 hours to arrive, to me, that is important.
LOL, up to his ears….
Yep, he is slowly but surely incriminating himself. He was at the MH partying, He was at the MH knocking on the door at 10pm, He was at the MH watching Joe take Haleigh away in the Van, He was high that night and looking for drugs, He knows Haleigh was killed at the MH (according to his lawyer)…..geez, he has said everything except that he actually did it.
He would like for us to beleive Ron did it, or Joe did it, or whoever else he can target. After all “he knows what he is doing when he is high on pills”!!!! Is that really his alibi or reason why he couldn’t have done it? Sad.
Right one minute he is high the next he had no drugs that day and that is why he didn’t go to work. And oh yeah, he wouldn’t have been able to cook Lindsy that wonderful dinner if he would have been high, he would have been passed out.
Lindsy knows Tommy better then anybody. She had an OOP against Tommy on behalf of their child and herself. Her own words, “Did you do it” says it all to me. Lindsy thinks he is capable and that is why she asked that question.
Yep, there is a ‘time factor’ with all of them.
My oldest son tells me all the time, “Ill be there in a minute”. He shows up 20 min. later. It is so irritating. I have tried to break him of it, but its impossible.
If he calls me a few times and can’t get ahold of me, he claims “Ive been trying to reach you for hours!” or “Ive called you 50 times”!
So, not sure all the minutes mean a lot, but I agree that 8 hours for CS to arrive was absurd. But then again, she states (I heard it myself) that Haleigh has wondered off before and she found her face down in the water and had to do CPR on her. Hmm, well first off, that is BS and secondly, if she really beleived that, why take 8 hours to get there or to look for her? I say she was drugged out of her mind that night and has been drugged up this whole time.
Sociopaths do not feel guilt. They have a total disregard for others rights.
I think Tommy fits this perfectly. Has anyone heard him cry for Haleigh or mention her in his jailhouse tapes about how it must hurt her family or how he would feel if it was one of his kids or how he can help to find who did it. No, he has total disregard for others.
He can easily blame Joe or Ron or whoever, because he doesn’t care one bit about them or if they are found guilty under false accusations. He is worried about himself.
He isn’t even concerned if Lyndsy or the kids have what they need. Just all about him.
Of course, I think CS fits this profile too. And could of been an abduction.
But why all the stories about Joe and the river and driving away with Haleigh in the Van that night and threatening Misty, blah blah blah, if not true?
Could he of made it up, knowing that Misty would go along with it?
LOL, doesn’t look like Misty is starving to death any more, eh? They must of fed her well after hearing those jail house tapes.
If Misty has been prescribed anti-depresants, that would explain her weight blowing up, also.
Along with the honey buns, quoting TJ here.
Everyone in this group got their nicknames for a reason….
Misty / Mistery
Ron / MoRon
Tommy (Hank) / HankyPanky
Drug users / Patlaka Pillbillies
Just like the Anthony’s got their names…
Casey / Crazy
Cindy / Psyndi or Sindy
Baez / Baezhole
Defense / DuhFense
Lyons / Lyings
Strange how all these names fit….
Yes, just was thinkin about her saying how they were starving her on the tapes….
I hope she is on medication. Im sure it is depressing gaining the weight too. Its awful to watch.
I wonder if Melissa Huckaby had not slipped up and mentioned her suitcase being stolen, if they would of ever caught her or even suspected her?? Makes me really think that anyone could of taken Haleigh.
Ok, ttyl…gotta go do my Kegals, lol.
I heard a new one today too Jen,
ConRon!lol
WhyLie said,in June 13th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Agree there too WhyLie?
I think I’d instantly know!
It’s like I don’t care about nothin’ man
Role another blunt, Yeah cuz
(Yeah x 2)
I was gonna clean my room, until I got high
I was gonna get up and find the broom, But then I got high
My room is still messed up And I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high
I was gonna go to class, before I got high
I coulda’ cheated and I coulda passed, but I got high
I’m taking it next semester and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high
I was gonna go to work, but then I got high
I just got a new promotion, but I got high
Now I’m selling dope and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high
I was gonna go to court, before I got high
I was gonna pay my child support, but then I got high (No you weren’t)
They took my whole pay check, and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high,
Because I got high
Because I got high
I wasn’t gonna run from the cops but I was high, (I’m serious man)
I was gonna pull right over and stop, but I was high
Now I’m a paraplegic, and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high
I was gonna pay my car a note, until I got high
I wasn’t gonna gamble on the boat, but then I got high
Now the tow truck’s pulling away, and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high, because I got high, because I got high
Because I got high
Because I got high
I messed up my entire life, because I got high
I lost my kids and wife , because I got high
Now I’m sleeping on the sidewalk, and I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I got high, because I got high, because I got high
I’m gonna stop singing this song, because I’m high
I’m singing this whole thing wrong, because I’m high
And if I don’t sell one copy I know why, (why man) ‘cuz I’m high,
because I’m high, because I’m high
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I had to leave a few out tho guy’s,lol
Tommy’s theme Song! sheesh
Not sure TC has enough brain cells left to memorize all those words, CJ.
CJ, have you happened to find a site that has all of the jail audios and videos, all in one spot?
LOL Whylie,sec,i think i have that somewhere,brb sorry was on phone
JenM said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Yep, there is a ‘time factor’ with all of them.
My oldest son tells me all the time, “Ill be there in a minute”. He shows up 20 min. later. It is so irritating. I have tried to break him of it, but its impossible.
If he calls me a few times and can’t get ahold of me, he claims “Ive been trying to reach you for hours!” or “Ive called you 50 times”!
So, not sure all the minutes mean a lot, but I agree that 8 hours for CS to arrive was absurd. But then again, she states (I heard it myself) that Haleigh has wondered off before and she found her face down in the water and had to do CPR on her. Hmm, well first off, that is BS and secondly, if she really beleived that, why take 8 hours to get there or to look for her? I say she was drugged out of her mind that night and has been drugged up this whole time.
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Truthfully I think she waited till Chad showed up before calling her mother so she didn’t have to explain to her where Chad was that night.
http://www.realitychatter.com/haleigh-cummings-f15/undercover-videos-recorded-inside-car-ron-cummings-misty-croslin-updated-more-video-t2042.htm
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Good site for Info!
http://www.dipity.com/fox35web/Haleigh-Cummings-Case
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BNN TOMMY TAPES
http://www.bloggernews.net/123848
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Some transcripts
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6925.0
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Tapes http://audio.thesky973.com/m/video/31405482/tommy-croslin-jail-dvd5-4-with-lindsay-april-5-and-april-8th.htm?pageid=28469
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Cobra Transcriptshttp://www.bloggernews.net/124400
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Video Transcripts
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6925.0
So all we actually have about the AC man is:
“Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh’s disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.
Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi”
Doesn’t say he saw the kids or Misty, doesn’t say he went into the house, just that he was there and that the AC man himself has a solid alibi.
I use to have a link that took me to all videos and audio and dunno where it went,lol or how it went,but it went,lol
but if ya ever need one just holler,a specific one? and chances are I may have it but prolly not if its one i need to find that very second or one that i need myself,lol then i can never findem’
right Lady! still no confirmation,as usual! lol
That was on AMW Lady or i may not have believed it either!!
AMW too!
Police continue to question family members, who they say have been 100% cooperative with the investigation.
Ronald, Misty and crystal’s fiance are among those re-questioned.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html
Will someone turn me in for elder abuse ?
I’ve made myself sit on chair for three
years. Got bedsores all over my bottom.
Have a fit when the phone rings.
get really angry if someone Skypes me.
Never take the time to eat.
Hate to the bathroom so bad, I wear depends.
I wonder if I could sue the state of FL.
for not solving the Caylee A., and the
Haleigh C. case sooner.
the last link is of questioning Chad too and MG defending him……she gave him a false alibi too,makes me wonder?
He smiles sorta even when they pick him up for ??ing that day!
CJ did you ever watch the very first video of Chad G? Eyes for Lies should have analyzed that video, imo.
I thought LE said there was NO signs of forced entry, and that’s why they think it was no stranger abduction (besides Misty’s inconsistent stories). Ronald said different in article dated February 10, 2009.
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Mr. Cummings said when he came home he found signs of forced entry to his home, but investigators with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said they didn’t find anything to suggest a break-in.
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Robin I would think that a man who had locked his door, then came home to find the door opened, screen door propped, would consider that forced entry.
Why Lie–
According to a news report dated February 11, 2009 that a neighbor (not residing in Satsuma but in a neighboring town) said this:
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Musser also said there has been an ongoing problem with break-ins at homes and businesses, often connected to younger people and drugs.
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Could this have been a burglary gone wrong? Remember the Riley Fox case. That case started with a burglary of the house across the street (from the Fox house), and the perpetrator walked across the street into the Fox residence.
robin, Anything is possible. I do think that the “burglar” in that particular neighborhood was Tommy, though.
WhyLie–I do not doubt that for a minute.
Tommy scares me.
CJ do you have the incident report for the burglaries of Tommy’s neighbor?
Stilllucy@2:52pm- Perhaps PC is different in Florida but in California it ranges from Civil Commitments (non- violent civil crime/contempt of court) to mentally ill and those who need to be protected from the criminal GP.
Several months ago the County Jail was so overpopulated that they had to release prisoners. Their were seven in the PC for Child Support infractions Civil Actions- such as not filling out a form with child support payment, missing a court date because he was working to pay child support, being late on child support, missing a child support payment and three failures to pay child support. Yes there were also a few Criminal & Mental Health persons there too. But when the Sheriff’s Dept released prisoners for overcrowding. They released druggies and domestic violence offenders etc. instead of civil commitments. I know one of the druggie/d/v offenders that was released as he is the father-in-law of one of my nephews! We were shocked! Some were sex offenders that were released. The Sheriff’s office explanation was that they were currently in jail on Probation Violations and so they started the release with criminal violators. No one ever looked to see what the original charges were!
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Griffis, 43, of Baker County believes the girl is alive, she said. “She’s out there somewhere. I can feel it. I can feel her presence.”
“People around here know me,” said Sheffield, a Putnam County resident. “If anyone around here has my granddaughter, just bring her home to me. She’s my first baby from my first baby. Please bring her back. … I’m going to look around hell and half of Georgia until I find her.”
They said the family wants to join the police search for Haleigh but that law enforcement officials won’t let them out of concern that they might contaminate evidence.
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Yet the Sheffields/Griffis did the San Mateo “fake” search. HMMmMMM……..
According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she didn’t return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open. (FOX NEWS February 12, 2009)
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Who actually went to the bathroom–Haleigh or Misty? There are so many conflicting statements being reported by newspapers and media–could this be where police are getting “inconsistent” statements about Misty from? Where did responsible journalism go?
Drugs do strange things to people, even legal drugs used legally. @ 12:45am, I told about my mom & the nursing home. What I left out was she had the surgery three days before but was still under the influence of the the drugs given pre-surgery as well as during surgery! She had no more pain medications given to her. The second day after surgery, she ripped the IV from her arm, the fluids mixed with a bit of blood and her bed looked liked there had been a blood bath there. She used the phone and called her brother in Maine, to tell him they were trying to kill her and she couldn’t remember my phone #. Even after she went to the SNF & her return to my home after the incident at the SNF (which in no way was there fault). She was still flying high for two more days! When she came out of it she couldn’t move, she was in so much pain. Didn’t want to go to PT, just wanted to stay in bed and wanted pain pills. I told her if she was going to do that then in was back to the NH for her. She came around, learned to walk with a walker, still takes pain pills and at times (usually when she breaks the pills up when she has difficulty swallowing- she can walk without any assistive device. but she also has friends in her room that I can’t see! Drugs do funny things to people!
Florida-Times Union
February 13, 2009
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Hardy said no favorite toys or other items of Haleigh’s appear to be missing from the mobile home off Buffalo Bluff Road.
“The best-case scenario is that we find this child alive and well,” he said.
Cummings has custody of Haleigh and Ronald Jr. and shared parental responsibility with Sheffied, court records show.
He said in 2005 custodial court records that Haleigh had been diagnosed with Turner syndrome, a chromosomal abnormality that affects about 1-in-2,500 girls, and requires monthly checkups with a cardiologist and endocrinologist.
It was not clear if the condition would have an impact on Haleigh over a short period of time.
J. Atilio Canas, an endocrinologist at Nemours Children’s Clinic, said it would depend on each patient’s unique case. For instance, certain girls with Turner syndrome can have cardiac problems. If that was the case, then that child could need medication.
Haleigh’s grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Friday that she doesn’t need medication and gets checkups every six months.
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I thought they found toys at the San Mateo search. That search is very suspicious to me.
Responsible journalism? Now that is a joke! Actually an Oxymoron if you ask me.
I would like to see the cell phone records of that entire day of all the players. Also any home phone records.
I know kids send messages too through IM’s and through their facebook pages too.
I have a friend that every time she leaves her phone at home or her phone dies, etc., she starts chatting on line with everyone. I wonder if any of that was done?
I want Timmy and Chelsea to come clean about that night and what they know. Also Nay Nay too. I think that will give us some answers.
I would still be thinking that Tommy was innocent if I hadn’t heard all the stories he has told about what happened and has placed himself there at the time.
Cricket, if you sue the state for those sore areas, then count me in. I will file too! lol
Cricket@5:10pm- I’m calling APS for you but don’t count on them getting there soon as they’ll have to track you down through this website!lol
CJ@3:04pm- Do you think the other voice on the 911 call was Annete Sykes?
Robin@6:25pm- Good point-if it was HaLeigh that went to the bathroom, it narrows the possible time of her disappearance considerably!
Let’s just make it a class action suit!!!
Maybe we could BOZO to represent us, I hear he’s strapped for cash!
LOL
totally agree.. ALL cell phone records need to be addressed and looked at…
In addition.. remember when Misty had the conversation with either her mom or dad.. ( can’t remember for sure…) but she definitely said, TWO people are going to be hurt by this…
WHAT TWO PEOPLE???
LE should be jumping ALL OVER that statement…..
iltsm- I think she was talking to lindsy or chelsea and said one that we like and one that we don’t, words to that effect!
Misty also stated that 1 they cared about and the another they didn’t….HMMMMM…
I just assumed it was part of another one of the stories that she had had put in her head. Her words right after that was released to the public about her stories. IMO
I think the Croslin family, starting with Chelsea and Lindsy, have injected the “JO did it” story into Misty’s brain. I think Misty has suspected Tommy for a very long time but because of the family throwing JO under the bus, Misty may now think it was Tommy and JO.
If I’m not mistaken, she was talking to Hank Sr on one of the Jail videos or tapes. He was getting on her for telling stories that were hurting people, Tommy, and told her just to tell the truth or what she actually knew.
The Gainesville Sun
February 12, 2009
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Standing next to Cummings, Croslin also spoke to the press. She said she loved Haleigh like her own daughter. She refuted an earlier report that Haleigh had been sleeping in the same bed as she was before the disappearance.
Croslin said 2-year-old Ronald Jr. was in the bed but that Haleigh was in her own bed.
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What a mess. I can see why this investigation is at a standstill. There is so much erroneous information being reported from the media. What do you believe when competing news organizations report different facts. I am at a loss. JENM–You are right when you state the only thing we know for sure is “HaLeigh is missing.”
Robin- I don’t think the media are reporting facts, they are reporting what they are being told. I wonder if any involved in this case can remember what the truth is anymore!
here it is:
Sister-in-law: So what, you have things you need to talk to him about?
Misty Croslin: Well yeah, I mean, it’s you know, hard to talk.
Sister-in-law: I know.
Misty Croslin: Yeah. But it’s gonna hurt two people. It’s gonna hurt two people.
Sister-in-law: That we care about?
Misty Croslin: Kinda. One, yeah. And the other, kinda.
Sister-in-law: That I care about?
Misty Croslin: Yeah.
Sister-in-law: Cause I know I don’t give a f**k about Ronald, excuse my language.
Misty Croslin: No, No. No it’s somebody. Yeah, no.
Sister-in-law: It’s not him?
Misty Croslin: No, you just think Chelsea, use your head. And you’ll
know.
this is the key… WHO WHO WHO are the two people that it is going to hurt???????????
Ibelieve Misty is setting up the whole fiasco about the Joe story with Chelsea helping her. They had this story early on and just decided to use it again in hopes of getting a deal. Misty knows something but will she ever tell the truth? I dont believe Misty would protect anyone but herself and possibly Ron if she felt they could still be together. jmo
Alexandria Loring–I am so confused now after reading through the old news articles. I hate to say this but was Misty inconsistent or did the police and media make her LOOK inconsistent by reporting erroneous information? Misty was 17 and could get easily confused by bombarding questions I would think? She is not very bright or educated–could LE have possibly took advantage of that? I am beginning to really wonder about LE’s tactics in this case.
According to LE its inconsistant to the evidence they have and her statements are also inconsistant. We have all seen video of her changing story. jmo
I just wonder if its her story at all or is it a story she was told to say from the beginning by Ron? Did he promise her protection and his love if she told that story? jmo
I think that Misty changed her story to make herself look better as a care giver. Had she one minute said she went to bed at 8, and changed it to 10, then changed it to midnight, or said she was home, then she was not, things like that would cause me concern.
If Misty was indeed sleeping, or if she was not home, then how could LE expect her to give them any more info then she has.
Heck we can go through all the interviews and pressers and find about a dozen of inconsistencies in LE statements.
What footprint?
We have been on this case since 2:15 on Feb 10
The maternal grandmother, Miss Neves, was at the MH at 7:00
And on and on.
Whylie she didnt have to make herself look better she had TN,AS and Ron to do that. They gave glowing statements about Misty. jmo
I think this conversation that Misty had with Chelsea SPEAKS VOLUMES and I also think this is why Chelsea is now in Massachusettes…
I am talking about in the first few days tobias. Why do you think Misty talked so much about the pee blanket? All she knew how to do was take care of children, she didn’t want anybody to think she would put a child to bed with a pee blanket.
“it’s gonna hurt two people” Does that mean they will hurt because they are caught? Such as in Tommy and Joe?
or
“it’s gonna hurt two people” Does that mean that two people are gonna be hurt when they find out who did it? Such as Crystal and Jr?
or Hank and Lisa?
More of Mystery’s word games. Everything has a double meaning. Reminds me of Casey Anthony!
I think Misty has told all she knows, although like all of us I could be wrong, and I think she has been trying to tell LE about Tommy for a long time. Remember the red truck. Why did LE not know about Tommy selling that red truck after Haleigh went missing? Why did LE not know about the phone call to Tommy from Ron when LE had the phone records from day one? Why weren’t LE all over Tommy from day one since he was at the MH that day and had access to unlock the door?
Misty knew it would be on tape.. so she did talk with her mystery sentences and thoughts..
I was thinking maybe the two were Tommy and Joe….
I am thinking Misty was talking about Tommy and JO, one they care about and one not so much.
She also takes a swing at Ron with that statement because she says it happened while she was away. Go listen to it again. She said who would put a child to bed with a pee banket?
Evidently Ron did since Misty was not there the previous night. JMO
tobias I believe Misty was there the previous night, which would have been Sunday. Perhaps Jr peed on the blanket during his nap on Monday.
Heck Ron couldnt even remember laundry detergent but he thinks of cigs, nuts and beer.jmo
AND WHITE BOY GREG is 28 years old..
so Misty was 17 when she was with him…
People on budgets don’t buy their laundry soap at the convenience store.
Yes ilove and yet LE did nothing to him even though he admitted to giving Misty drugs and alcohol and taking a minor to a house for the purpose of prostitution.
I hear you, WhyLie.. in Illinois he would be considered a sex offender and his mug would be posted asap!!!
Don’t forget Misty was just 16 when she was first with Ron and I’m sure they did drugs and alcohol together too!
I would love to hear the phone call between Misty and ROn when she was in Tenn. and he talked her into coming back.jmo
Yeah, now thinking more about the statement of Who would put a child to bed with a pee’d on blanket?
Well, I think Tommy would! I think Mystery left with Nay Nay to go find Tommy some pills that he was jonzin for so bad.
Found this in an article in Associated Content on Sept. 13, 2009
In a Today Show interview in March, Misty Croslin Cummings said that she washed Haleigh’s blanket 7 ½ hours earlier- at 8 pm- and put the clean blanket on a sleeping Haleigh about 10 pm when Misty went to bed herself.
In the August stress test, Misty Croslin Cummings said that she had turned on the washing machine to wash her own blanket and Haleigh’s blanket “after dinner” and that she put Haleigh to bed at 8 p.m. February 9.
Misty never explained the time discrepancy in the voice stress test, but her description of washing the blankets reeks of overkill. Since when does washing a child’s blanket before any abduction require justification?
However, here is the transcript from the blanket story:
Misty: Then I washed the blankets- my blanket and Haleigh’s blanket. Haleigh’s blanket smelt like pee.
Tester: Tell me about this blanket.
Misty: Haleigh’s blanket? Ok, I was gone for the weekend. I come home, her blanket smells like pee. Who’s gonna put their kid in bed when their blanket smells like pee? Who’s going to put their kid on, you know, cover up with a blanket smells like pee? I’m not going to. So I …washed her blanket. And, there’s (unintelligible), it’s her normal blanket she always sleeps with.
This excess justification for washing a child’s blanket sends up red flags.
So, was the washing machine going when the cops came in that night?
What was found on the back ramp…sheets? blankets? clothes?
Did Misty have to justify the blanket thing to explain why Haleigh wasnt in bed with her anymore?
Did Misty call Lyndsy or did Tommy run home to get some laundry soap to wash the blankets of evidence?
Sure reminds me of Cindy cleaning out the car trunk and washing Caseys pants. We all know now that she did it to cover up evidence, because the car smelled like a damn dead body. But too bad for her that there was Caylees decomposition on the trunk mat, etc.
In this case, there was no time for decomposition.
The Truth Is In the Lie….the 911 tape, Misty throws in that she was “cleaning” at 10pm. Why say that on the emergency call??? Was Misty so messed up or threatened with her life to do these things? Was she traumatized to that point? Was she convinced she was gonna get the blame?
Ron must hate her right about now. When you are that distraught over your child being taken, you don’t think clearly. You don’t want to think you have been betrayed. Drugs cloud judgment for sure.
More unknowns than there are clues to this. We could make it a board game for sure. Just the opposite of Who Dunnit. It could be Who Didn’t Do It!
tobias said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
She also takes a swing at Ron with that statement because she says it happened while she was away. Go listen to it again. She said who would put a child to bed with a pee banket?
Evidently Ron did since Misty was not there the previous night. JMO
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IF HaLeigh peed on the blanket the night prior (as you are suggesting), she would have gone to bed with a clean blanket. Therefore, Ronald would not have put HaLeigh to bed with a “pee blanket”.
Also, Misty was back on Sunday night (up all night talking), so, I don’t really see a swing at Ronald, IMO.
Jen M- Maybe it’s like Murder on the Orient Express and they all had a hand in it! But Why?
When was a phone call made to Lyndsy and Tommy’s house that night?
When did Tommy steal all the cleaning supplies?
Do we have a fact on where NayNay’s keys were found?
Who did Joe need to have the gun for and why?
Have they found any evidence from the Van?
Do they have Haleigh’s favorite blanket?
What was found on the back ramp?
Was the washing machine running when LE showed up?
Why didn’t they let the search dogs out immediately to search for Haleigh?
Did Tommy bang on the back door that night?
Did someone bang on the back door and Misty got up and let them in?
Does Misty feel guilty about letting them in?
Why does Misty keep giving hints to LE about Tommy from the beginning?
What time did Haleigh really become missing?
Did Misty tell the truth when she said the back door wasn’t like that when she was sleeping?
Did the back door get like that after she woke up?
What about the ‘other side of the family’?
Where is Haleigh?
There are so many questions.
Does anyone know what time Misty went back to Ron on Sunday?
Tobias that’s another conversation I would love to hear!
When she says “Ok, I was gone for the weekend. I come home, her blanket smells like pee. Who’s gonna put their kid in bed when their blanket smells like pee? Who’s going to put their kid on, you know, cover up with a blanket smells like pee? I’m not going to. So I …washed her blanket. And, there’s (unintelligible), it’s her normal blanket she always sleeps with.”
I think this is simply a story of trying to justify why she was washing the blanket. I don’t think it had any thing to do with pee at all. Something bad occured on that blanket, but it wasn’t pee. It could of been assault, death or anything. That is why it was washing!
Going on about the blanket is overkill. She is asking the questions, putting the thoughts into the mind of those listening as to what they would normally do.
If asked why were you washing the blankets, she could of simply said in 4 simple words,
“they smelled like pee” or “haleigh wet the bed”.
There was no need to go into all that questioning and justifying. Strange.
I don’t think they found any evidence in the van or it would not have been released. I personally do not think the van was involved. I think the red truck was involved. Speaking of that, has LE found that truck and was it taken to the FDLE lab, and if so does LE still have it? Is the physical evidence LE has recently spoken about something that was found in the red truck?
One question I always had was the blanket missing, Misty says she took the blanket off the window because her blanket was in the van they took. What did her and Ron use to sleep with on Sunday night and Monday when they napped? When did that blanket end up in the van they took? And why was it even in the van? jmo
JenM, it might just be the way Misty explains things, like when she went on and on about the deer blood in the van.
WhyLie said,
in June 13th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
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LE came into possession of the red truck last summer when Tim Miller was in town. Misty pointed it out to Tim Miller and LE took possession of it. Not much else is known about it other than LE did find the truck. No idea if they still have it or if they found anything of evidentiary value in it.
J- Who does the red truck belong to?
The red truck belonged to Tommy, Alexandria.
J all I can find is TM allegedly locating the truck and saying LE was notified. I can’t find anything confirming that LE did in fact impound the truck.
J Now that is interesting!
It just burns my arse that LE was not aware of that truck from the start. Since TC was there at the MH that day, LE should have known everything about him from what time he uses the bathroom to what kind of jelly he likes on his toast. What the he77 was LE doing all that time?
WhyLie- LE may have(erroneously) beleived at first it was a custody issue! That in no way excuses or relieves them of their obligation to look at the total puzzle. The problem here seems to be that there are so many extraneous pieces that could fit but don’t belong.
What is this Sheriff’s department like. Is Sheriff elected or appointed? Is there a requirement for ongoing criminology training for all the officers or is the basic training they initially receive all that is mandated? I understand that Putnam County is not a rich county but without proper training there will be more cases there as messed up as this one!
Alex the Sheriff is elected and had just come into office when Haleigh went missing. I read a lot of local posting that was going on during the election and it seems there was a lot of corruption in the dept and Hardy seemed to run on the platform of cleaning up the dept. It was reported that he fired a lot of people when he took over.
WhyLie- Do you know how large a force it is? Are all ooficers full time sworn officers or are some Reserve Officers?
just for the record theres a new article up.
alex, No I sure don’t know how big the force is. I will try and find out in the morning though.
WhyLie- Thank you! I just wondered if they had inexperienced young officers on duty that night!
WhyLie said,in June 13th, 2010 at 9:59 pm Alex the Sheriff is elected and had just come into office when Haleigh went missing. I read a lot of local posting that was going on during the election and it seems there was a lot of corruption in the dept and Hardy seemed to run on the platform of cleaning up the dept. It was reported that he fired a lot of people when he took over.
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ah ha! revenge could be a good motive to destroy hardy’s career..and it worked big time.
Good Nite All!!!!!
I think misty’s emphasized account of the blanket washing was due to her just being grilled by LE about it . She explains her account of that night much the same way she had just answered them to LE. However I don’t think LE seems to have much problem with anything that she says happened before 10:00 PM. I have heard their issues with Misty was her account of events from 10:00 PM to 3:00 AM. LE have stated there is evidence at the scene that contradicts her account. I believe she says she was sleeping. What evidence could there be? I thought of electronic equipment such as the cable or satellite box could record when channels were changed or something. But that doesn’t actually prove misty did it unless she was sleeping on the remote. Then I thought of the Microwave might record the last time it was turned on in one of the chips inside. But still doesn’t say it was her could be the perp. If it was a perp it would be a smart thing to do frame her up like that. The perp would have to know what electronic time stamps the cops would look at. So I would think if this scenario were true it would be another cop or maybe someone who had spent major time in prison learning these tactics from fellow inmates who were caught using this same process.
JMO
BillyBob
They had a computer, maybe she was on it.
Or if the dryer was still on when they arrived. Or if the shower was still wet…or the phone records…or of course the pink shirt being there.
or the clothes weren’t really washed just dried. or someone that was visiting left something behind…or something with the blankets.
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Maryd
If she was on the computer and they knew it was her and she said I wasn’t then they should have arrested her then interfering with a police investigation and or child endangerment.
If the washer or dryer was running when they got there and she said it wasn’t then they should have arrested her then interfering with a police investigation and or child endangerment.
If the blankets were not washed like she said or anything was not like she said they should have arrested her then interfering with a police investigation and or child endangerment.
It seemed to take a while for evidence they say was at the scene to contradict her timeline of events of the late night hours.
As for the shirt , would they have known it was there if misty didn’t tell them
Well Billy
that being the case I would assume the evidence they may be talking about is the cinder block holding the door. If it matched the ones found at the river after Tommy made his half azzed confession it may have taken on new meaning at that time. JMO
Yes, Misty did discover the shirt herself and told LE. She was surprised to find it behind the door under a pile of dirty clothes. She has her dates and times mixed up for sure.
Misty also has volunteered to take LDT and voice analysis. Misty has been outspoken with what she says she knows and is passionate about the whole thing.
I think its either a case of Misty really doesn’t know anything or she knows something and due to trauma it is hidden in her subconscious.
I think it will come out soon with meds and therapy. Or maybe not if she doesn’t know anything. Either way, its wrong as to what has happened to her.
For those who think she did something to Haleigh, then she has everyone fooled and she is really a mastermind sociopath, lol.
Hmmm, the red truck may be the key.
Whylie……….. I just read for post from June 12 about Tommy’s face when Linsdsey told him not to hang up. I thought the same thing it was like watching a horror movie when someone transforms into an animal or something. Very creepy
For those of you wondering who Eleisha Izor is, she is related to Ronald Cummings. Why are you so worried about who she is?
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