It’s not a good thing to be first
no one else is here.

I’m really starting to think that we will never know the truth

poohpig,
so am I. just like Caylee,her mother
will never tell the truth.

Nice article, however, we are really back at square 1 with “where is Haleigh”?

As far as Misty’s parents go, of course you see remorse in their faces and hear it in their voices, however, those kids never stood a chance in society with parents who were out smoking crack cocaine.
YES, ALL of us would do things over differently if we could, however, to put a child’s safety in harms’s way, like Hank & Lisa did raising those kids, gets no sympathies from me.
How could we expect better from Misty??

Van Der Sloot in custody in Chile

I guess the divorce is back on. I wonder if she was in court today??

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About Misty gaining weight – some women eat when they are stressed or depressed. I doubt she is doing fine. As far as Tommy, he has just lost his wife and worried sick about not being in his children’s lives. This may be why Tommy has not gained weight. Plus, he’s a guy and guys gain weight slower than women do.

I pray someone will talk. It is possible that Tommy, Misty and Ron know the name of the person responsible. They may know that this person said they would drown her. It may be a drug dealer that they were in negotiations with.

Werter said he and tommy discussed the evidence and decided no contest was the way to go.

I think that says a lot about the strength of the case based on uc work and video tape.

Will we see misty use the entrapment defense as the last one standing? Could she still say she was the one harrassed into the activity? If she does, I think ron and tommys testimony will be in part about her prior involvment with dealing and that’s what le will use ti fight that defense if its offered up.

I dont think they have Tommy on tape. I am still looking for the incident report, but I think it says he was at the Mcdonalds and was never in the car. bbl when I find it jmo

looking for Justice said,
in June 3rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm

Jan you are 100% correct! It doesn’t matter who has the right theory. All that matters is that Haleigh is found!!!
My heart does go out to Lisa and Hank Sr. this must be hurting them terribly. May God be with them.
I also pray that the person/s responsible will come forward and tell what happened to our beautiful little Angel!!
Misty is getting fat and Tommy is getting leaner can only mean Misty is doing fine behind bars and Tommy is not doing well at all!! Ron is getting fat too! JMO
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It could also mean that Tommy did something to Haleigh and he will be found out. He started going downhill and losing weight after Haleigh went missing.

Bio, I have just been busy lately. And I have no problem with the trolls I have nothing to hide and am good at ignoring. jmo

The drug charges and Haleigh being missing are two seperate cases…yet they are linked as one. Misty only has until the 10th of Aug to make a plea deal before her trial on Aug. 23. If she knows anything she better be making up her mind. JMO

You know Vaq, they were all skin and bones due to drug use. TN said Ron had lost a lot of weight. It was not just Tommy losing weight and acting strange since Haleighs disappearance. Tommy has lost his wife and children. He will be spending quite a bit of time behind bars. I feel Tommy only had a small role in what happened. Perhaps he is the only one with a conscience. Lord knows Ronald should be losing weight, his daughter is gone and his son taken away from him. Ron should be pure sick at this point. JMO

Unfortunately, Haliegh will never be ”found”. Saddly, she is a child long lost…

I went back and read the incident reports and I am glad I did, they also have recorded phone messages made to Misty. She usually called back 5 min. later with instructions and on some of the incident reports she is dropped off at the kangaroo for Ron who is waiting for her. I think this is where his other charges came from. I believe he stayed in the background until he felt safe. Misty was as usual following orders. imho

Tobias we agreed on that awhile back. Ronald was the leader in my opinion; not Misty.

So Joran DIDN’T commit suicide! Should have known he’d not have the guts to do that! I don’t know anything about the law in Peru or Chile…..do they have the death penalty? I hope this guy gets put in front of a firing squad!

I think they just might as it gets closer to being sentenced. They may have already for all we know.

Not sure if there will be justice for Haleigh? My heart longs for a happy ending but my inclination tells me she is not with with us. Who ever removed the child from the home will pay. A guilty conceince needs no accuser. This horror will follow the coward that kills babies. If she is gone as I suspect she is in a place of total love.

And in the end, it will be Ron vrs Misty. Which one will crack? Maybe neither one. Misty will look back when Ronald gets out before her and realize what a fool she was.

Well now we sit and wait to see if the PA takes anyone up on their offer to testify. I wouldnt be surprised if they dont deal with any of them. Just wait them out, let them squirm.jmo

Tommy has no money since april. So this could be why he is thinner. Also the stress of losing his family. Ron and Misty have plenty of money sent to them by supporters which is just plain dumb to me when people are more deserving who are not in jail for anything. jmo

IMO – But, I really do not want to see Misty in prison – she needs professional help and a ”big sister” – she needs a really great attny to get her out of this mess… I do not see her as someone who would have hurt the babies. I do see her as a young drugie who is easily influenced by all around her – esp Ron…

She is completely controlled.

i don’t see her as someone that would purposely
hurt those babies either *indianamom*

jmo

I wonder if we wil feel this way about the parties when we see all the redacted parts LE has? Those are what I cant wait to see and hear. I think some hair may stand on end. jmo

are the attorneys for misty, tommy, and ron all public defenders ? paid private attorneys ? or those who have decided to work pro bono ?

anyone know ?

I believe Fielding and Shoemaker are pro bono.

Misty started to say something about Fields and how he is paid but told Hank not to talk about it. jmo

I thought Tommy and Hope’s attorneys were court appointed?

Werter? I believe Fields got him Werter if I remember correctly.

Hope’s atty was a PD.

Hello everyone.
Thought I’d drop in and read everyone’s thoughts about todays events.
Glad to hear that Joran was arrested. He is one sick pup and that’s fact IMVHO.

As for Misty’s trial date…not sure exactly what the plan is but Tobias you may very well be correct about how things will be going in her plea defense.
…Either that or them braids are just way to tight today jmo. The tapes of the UC sting were very telling.

Great post and I agree with what Alexandria Loring said,in June 3rd, 2010 at 1:00 pm.

Take care everyone.

She could have blocked the number if she was bothered by the UC. nOT TOO HARD.LOL How did they meet in the first place and how did he get her number? all good questions that need to be answered . jmo

jaba yes the info about the repeated phone calls came from a Misty audio tape. If it is true it shouldn’t be to hard for her lawyer to prove.

I think unless the state gets Ron to testify against her they may have a hard time proving it was not entrapment given Misty has no previous history of selling drugs.

right *coop*, i know they themselves couldn’t have paid for private attorneys, was just wondering if someone else had paid for them (as misty has received donations of other sorts), or if they were private attorneys working pro bono.
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since they are private attorneys working pro bono, they will be able to work harder and spend more time on their client’s cases, and could very well negotiate a better outcome for these 3, than hope had. little wonder she is where she is, if she had a public defender.

that is just my opinion based on my experiences and knowledge…not meant to offend anyone.

I believe Hoope did herself in, can you imagine what she said to the PD? She talked her mother terribly who knows what she said to the PD about bootcamp or rehab. jmo

Also if I were Rons aunt I would be peed off to the max that he got her involved in all of this. She had just been out on bond 2 weeks and Ron knew that, he shouldnt have gotten her involved. jmo

In court this morning, Misty appeared with her hair braided tightly to the top of her head. The judge set a trial date for Misty in August. She was told her trial date would be August 23 but she will only have until August 16 to make a plea.

Hmm that would have been my 32nd wedding anniversary!
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Maybe TomMe lost his fat and Misty found it! LoL
TomMe could whack his ears off and lose an extra 30 lbs of ugly fat! LoL
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hi *cj* hope your day is going good!

Hope signed off on the deal because she was guilty but is too defiant for our civilized world. She says it when she knows everyone is listening.

She appealed because she doesn’t want to stop kicking and screaming at authority. She will get her appeal and maybe if she behaves herself, she will get a reduction.

Her PD knew they had a defiant client stating what they would or wouldn’t do if punished up against video taped evidence. She sunk herself.

WhyLie said,in June 3rd, 2010 at 1:52 pm jaba I think if it does go that way it will be a very interesting trial indeed. If what Misty said is true, they kept calling her over and over and she kept saying no but finally gave in, that could be considered entrapment. She has no priors for selling drugs so the State will have to prove that Misty had a propensity to participate in the buying and selling of drugs.

I think this will really show just what kind of a lawyer Fielding is. If he can pull this off and get Misty freed it certainly will do a lot for his business.

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Thats what i was telling Jaba the other day but i couldn’t find the article to back it up,ty!! LoL
I knew i saw it somewhere!
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If it can be done,that will do it……imo

WL,

Do you have a transcript you can point me to on the audio tape? I’d like to see all the info I can on her stating she was entrapped.

TIA

where are the todays videos in court?? i didn’t see it on news for jax?

Wow….I can’t believe that these bonds and sentences are so stiff. A guy here in town got busted with a grow
house. They didn’t arrest him but told him to turn himself in the next day. No bond was required and they gave him back $15,000 of the cash they had found. How does these people get 3 to 30 years for having pills. How come Hardy’s kid got off so light as well. I say they are guilty on the drugs but
why the steep sentences. These people do not have the resources to have been the king pins.

Coop…imo thats why jails are full,they get the users but let the dealers go,its crazy??
the big time dealers is who i’d get first!

jaba, no transcript that I know of. It was in an audio of Misty and her dad.

Thx cj, so its known to LE that she was a buyer of drugs by being in that area, that situation, with another who says they were there for drugs.

I wonder if that is the tip off le got to her participating in crimes of drug purchasing?

I really take issue with LE busting them and making no effort to bust those that they were getting the pills from. If I am not mistaken they had to go and purchase the pills elsewhere and then give them to the UC. They did not have actual possesion of the pills, except in the Donna B case that is. She seems to have been able to go out of state and get the pills, bring them to Florida and sell them. She is the one they need to throw the book at, imo.

me too why? but maybeeeeee they didn’t cause they want Haleigh,ya know?

Who said hardys kid got off? He just got arrested. His court dates are upcoming, right?

Jan! How nice to read you , i do hope you and Simon keep all the videos/radio shows in the archives, as my home computer crashed and i can’t get into it at work!

Also, i had no idea at first that you wrote this article till i felt you being ‘soft’..something Simon NEVER is on the ‘adams’ family – i said, only a woman ! , all in all, I have THAT theory too about Haleigh…we’ll see…..

Love and lite,
Shaunna

Scratch the hardy boy got off,I must be hallucinating on cobwebs! LoL Swear thought i saw it!

wheres a good place to see misty in court today??

Coop, Hardies son hasnt gone to court yet so we dont know how light his sentence is yet.
I doubt he will get off light, but his case is different and only one sell. jmo

I really agree with this article. So many people have jumped on Lisa and Hank, Sr. with both feet.

I realize they are not highly educated and have issues, but they don’t deserve everything that has been said and written about them. So many affluent people have children in drug rehab, jail and prison but no one jumps on the parents like they have in this case.

You can raise 4 children exactly the same, feed them the same food, give them the same opportunities and have one go down the wrong path. It doesn’t make sense that everyone blames these parents for the actions of these young adult children.

CJ,
Twitpic has a picture of her in court today. Articles are everywhere.

Tommy’s getting grey hair. He looks like he is going through hell in his picture from today, which I am sure that he is, with losing his wife and kids, and just being in jail in general, but the picture kinda makes you think it has hit home with him. He looks so sad. JMO

a certain someone was saying it was entrapment a year ago.. oh yea, it was me!
Misty is gonna WALK!! on these trumpted up charges and she had nothing to do with haleigh gone missing.

in this latest pic tommy sure looks older than his 23 yrs…

Totally Agree tough. Looks like hes been through the ringer huh?

yes *karri*

i have a son the same age…they look soooo different. you can really see that its taking its toll on tommy.

when misty pleads like ronnie and the others you can have been wrong for over a year.

WhyLie said,in June 3rd, 2010 at 3:34 pm I wonder if Fields will depose the informants that set Misty up with the UC.
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no way LE will be forthcoming with all the dirty underhanded tricks and schemes they cooked up and used to enticed/force misty into participating. Fields will with out doubt have to file Motions to Disclose on an uncooperative LE!

Jaba, If he is really good he will tell her she could get a real sweet deal if she gives up what she knows about Haleigh, but only if she is on the outer fringes of involvement. jmo

they are stupid and will play every diry legal trick they can to get a conviction. Its not about justice its about winning and losing now.
LE has major face to save and if an innocent burns so be it.

*whylie* i think a jury is almost always preferable to a judge. in my past line of work, i had a well-respected attorney tell me that he would NEVER counsel anyone with a felony charge to have their case heard by a judge, as opposed to a jury. he said it was well known that at least with a jury, the accused had a fighting chance…

interesting.

imo

I know one person who has been awfully quiet lately is NayNay, she also has a sister named Kelly Dobbs. Hmmm. Do you suppose they set Misty and the UC up on their date? Hmmmm. could be. jmo

‘Dirty LEGAL trick’ versus the criminal ‘dirty Illegal trick’. I see the foundation of the thoughts. Clearly.

Sure was and she lived on Tropic which is where the Prevatts live. Kelly Dobbs is on a you tube video reading one of NayNays letters to her mom about the mondex pond. Just go to you tube and type in naynays letter to mom, and its the first video up. jmo

Tough,

What I’m saying is a jury will see everything aginst her and if they don’t believe entrapment convict her of 6 of the 8 and then man/min kick in where there is no leniency on minimum years given.

If she pleads to something lesser with a stipulation to concurrent terms, I think she saves years.

She’s not going to beat these charges, she may get one kicked for bad video, or she doesn’t say much and is just riding in the car that day. Who knows without seeing all of the tape from start to finish.

Notice the really nice manicure Kelly has, wonder how she gets her nails done so nice? jmo

no *jaba*

i don’t think she’ll completely beat the charges either.

All this happened today

Misty went to court
Tommy went to court
Shaniya Davis mom went to court.
Joran Van Der sloot was arrested

On the incident reports Kelly is with Misty on the first drug deal, the UC drops her off on Tropic then takes Misty to the Kangaroo to meet Ron. Ron picks Misty up and they leave.
Kelly is a teen younger than Misty. She has also said she has known Misty since Misty was 14. That means she knew her when she first moved down there. Misty knew NayNay before she met Ron. jmo

Tough,

They can find 12 people to listen to just the facts of the drug charges and adjudicate the right way. Imo

Lots of ‘criminals’ thought to have done bad before are tried I communities that ‘know’ them.

Look at how casey pleaded to her check fraud charges. She knew they had her dead to rights on video and handwriting analysis. But, had she taken it to trial, the same evidence would have been used despite her daughter being gone. Casey took the deal and avoided a trial she couldn’t win. Imo

Attorneys have latitude to pick juries and would ask some very serious questions pertianing to prior media coverage. Misty could get the trial moved if warranted. Lots of plays in the system so that convicted criminals cries of innocence are heard and reviewed.

Imo

Tough,

I reread my post to you. Don’t take it like I’m talking down to you, I wouldn’t do that to ya’. . Just fyi..

Juries dont do the sentencing they just decide if the party is guilty or not guilty. Juries arent told how many counts or what the person is facing. I know because I was on a jury recently for a BE. jmo

I still believe Misty, Tommy, Timmy, Joe and Ronald all know exactly what happened and where Haleigh was disposed of. I don’t believe she is alive and think she was killed or died that very night in the mobile home rented by her father. Something terrible went down that night and all the neighbors know it also. There was way too much going on in that neighborhood that night. Police at Tommy’s house, Misty running around with a phone to her ear, reported to have been screaming and right in the middle of all the action. I don’t have any sympathy for any of them including the parents. Every single one of them have histories of drugs, thefts and deception. This is their way of life and they have done nothing but continue on, breed like rabbits and spread it amoung them. These people have no values, morals or anything else. Who cares whether Tommy has lost weight or Misty has gained weight. (Really intelligent comment from Lisa Croslin) Face it, they are not out running and on the daily drug regiment they were before. Between the starch served in jail and all the goodies Misty orders, no wonder she’s gained weight. Tommy is a hard core addict. Used to being fluffed up every day. He hasn’t lost weight because he lost his wife and kids! His wife and kids didn’t mean squat to him, his drugs did. It is plain and simple, Drugs and booze were the most important thing in all of the Croslins and Cummings lives and came first. They were numero uno! I don’t see how anybody can have sympathy or feel sorry for people like this. They put themselves in this kind of life. They chose to take the drugs, shop for them and sell/trade/steal whatever it took to have them. These were and are not decent, hardworking,honest, kind, giving individuals. These kind do not change either. They just continue on the path of self destruction taking anyone like them with them. I am just glad they are all going to jail and not let off scott free. LE knows they killed Haleigh, but have “no proof” as Misty and Tommy have repeatedly said, They all thought they were real smart and above the law. All drug users do. Always sure they are going to get away and outsmart the police. Misty even said in the beginning to either her mother or father on tape that “when police find out either what happened or where Haleigh is, they are going to feel so stupid. Nobody is able to convince me she doesn’t know anything. I also firmly believe there is a lot that none of us know. Things that have not been released or leaked. I think there was a lot of crucial evidence and witness accounts that were handled very lightly and probably ignored. I just pray that God has Haleigh in his hands and she is safe, sound and peaceful and not suffering like she did in Satsuma with those idiots who called themselves family. With family like that, who the hell needs enemies. Poor little child, had nobody.

Off topic–It amazes the hell out of me that Shaniya Davis’ mother posted bond and was walking free. For what that woman did to her own child, why was bond even considered? JMO

I think misty would need to take the stand to try and sell her entrapment claim which opens her up for a lot of evidence against her she’d have to agree with or deny. Lots more chances of coming off as a liar, imo.

Do you think its possible they are just buying time? I do, maybe enough time to work out a deal with info on the haleigh case. Sure hope so. jmo

It wasn’t a few pills, but I agree bond amounts are all over the map it seems. Lots of factors though.

Hey guy’s,Gotta catch up!!

description of stomping rather*
lol

One thing the Croslins did wrong was letting Misty get married. By doing that she was out of their control and maybe if she was with them they could have gotten her to talk? jmo

Jaba–Sorry but I was talking tongue in cheek. Even though I personally don’t think it was an earth shattering amount. What happened to those pills after sold to these people in all the drug dealings? Did they sell them to someone else or did the consume them themselves? Has that ever been estabished? But it is not going to matter. They have been labeled BIG TIME drug dealers as if they smuggled cocaine or marijuana from Colombia.

Ron cummings: ‘Will you, misty croslin, marry me? Hey chief, how about a refill on dr.pepper and some more wet naps?’

OMG,Misty has filled out??
But gee wiz,TomME looks like hell before breakfast!

Robin, I hear ya. The prescritpion pills abuse is no less than coke, imo. Although its a different high, its side effects and colateral damage is awful.

bbi just few,working on a project,lol

I’m sure a big corporation like chilis are so proud ron did that there.

They probably comped his meal and he didn’t tip. I don’t have any audio or video of that so its just my opinion.

It is good that the parents are supporting Misty and Tommy. I’m not too sympathetic though, because Flo says they did drugs for years and Misty says her brother messed with her. There’s no way to know for sure what went on, but doing drugs while pregnant can result in kids with behavior like those with fetal alcohol syndrome and poverty from drug addiction could have all led to Misty and Tommy’s adult behaviors = the death of Haleigh. For anyone knows, Hank & Lisa could know what happened to Haleigh and are keeping quiet to protect their kids.

I thought in one of the uc tapes Ron said that he was getting pills from a vet????

Cant see her doing it unless Ron gets off. So he doesnt profit from Haleighs death would be the only reason. jmo

Looks like Wertner was wrong about Lindsy holding off on that divorce. She must want out reguardless of the outcome. The kids would be better off in school if she would change their last name. Why should they suffer from bullys because of their father and Aunt? jmo

Native Texan, I feel your pain and frustration. Haleigh is out there somewhere and if no one gives up on finding her, she’ll be found. God bless her heart and all the children that are missing.

The news outlets only said Lisa and Hank so if I was a betting girl I would say no she wasnt. jmo

From what I read above Misty has not pled yet. Not until the 16 of August. Trial date is for the 23 if she pleas not guilty. Dont know how this will come out till then I guess. jmo

CathyJo,
Tommy looks like he’s still doing drugs that
ain’t normal for someone in jail. I no
he’s upset about Lindsy and kids but he looks awful.

His whole world has been shredded!
Haleigh,drugbust,jail,lost his wife,mom,dad,misty,his 3 kids…basically he’s lost everybody!

may 28,wow hmmm

the only letter i know of that are accepted by the judge (prior to sentencing) are character reference letters…

Probably a plea for a shorter sentence due to his loss of a child and hardship upbringing.

*off topic*

omg…this joran van der sloot news gets more disgusting every minute…

today there are charges being made against him in the U.S. as well. apparently they have evidence that he tried to extort (i believe) $250,000. from an alabama resident (alabama being the state natalee holloway was from) in exchange for the location of her body…

further evidence, imo, that this guy has no soul…bad enough to do the crime, lie about it, leave her family with the info that he “did” her, and get away with it (so far), and go on to do it to another beautiful, young girl, but to try and capitalize on it financially as well ?

geez

imo

yes *judithan* its legal.

in fact, many times, attorneys will advise the families of their clients to write these letters, and to invite anyone of their friends to write them as well, in hopes of influencing the judge’s decision prior to sentencing.

jmo

well,i wonder if AS would be honest or not?
Remember the artcle we read about him saying his pap taught him how to respect women,(((yea right) and also she said he couldn’t get close to ppl!
I don’t trust her and i’ll betcha she in it after the fact!

Well I might be a minority in my opinion here but that’s just wrong. A judge is not supposed to influenced. He needs to stick to the laws no matter who you are.

http: //www.youtube. com/watch?v=ZDXP15Uqwuk
Listen how normal her voice is on that statement!

Why wouldnt you just blurt out where you are, most people would have said that as their 4-5 answer. Like this, our little girl is gone, I need help, Iam at 202 green lane, she is gone and the backdoor is propped open. help me now.
Just a crazy blut of info, thats what would come from me. jmo

he says the lock was busted sideways on the 911 call?
but he tells Greta and Cobra and N/G someone had to *bump the lock*

right Tobias,I’ve called 911 severalllll times,thats the 1st thing ya do!

*tobias*

you make a great point!

thinking about it, i would probably say the same thing as you…especially being in a panic, and wanting LE help ASAP!!

jmo

On those dead bolts sideways is unlocked and upand down is the locked position. The FBI took the lock off and replaced it so they know it wasnt bumped. jmo

She sure did alright when she was mugged buying drugs.jmo

JenM said,in June 3rd, 2010 at 7:44 pm CathyJo, that is the same thing I said about that part, she had a total voice change. I don’t know about a script, but seemed like it threw her off her high squeal excited voice game for sure.
Again, I think Misty was covering for something she was made to think she did, but she knows she didn’t. Thus the strange ‘lies’ of telling the truth.
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Agree 1000% with ya Jen,I have listened to a million tapes since last night,omg

I think the ‘present fear’ of Ron at the time of the call is what had her thrown off from what might of been the normal. Could be wrong, but could be right.
Keeping with the rest of the voice throughout the call, when she heard numerical, she would of just said (in the constant voice) I don’t know what you are talking about or what do you mean. But Misty almost stops, changes voices into something deeper, calmer and says ‘numerical? what’s that?’ then goes back to the other voice. Very strange.

This is only the background voices heard: (Listen here)

.34 Misty: mumbles Hope

.36 Ron: she let my daughter get stolen in the middle of the night

1.15 Ron: you tell them they better come on now

1.36 Ron: unintelligible……Ron’s voice

2:17 Ron: I don’t care……..(unintelligible)

2.47 Ron: how’s it not all your fault

2.49 Ron: come on misty…….(unintelligible)

2.55 Ron: we got a reason for someone to be here now

3.35 Phone is hung up

4.34 Ron: how the fuck you let my daughter get stolen bitch

5.02 Ron:……I can’t find my fucking gun, its not where it was, the mother fuckers took it

5.08 Ron: the mother fucking new lock busted sideways

(Now the door was bumped)

cobra: when you left for work, you locked that f**** door, you had that back door locked?

ron: yeah yeah… but you know what? you look on the internet and look up bump locks.

cobra: i know, i know how to bump lock like a motherf***** but you know that s***works like sometime works sometime works sometime…. if the feds would have tookthe whole motherf***** door knob we could have told it`s been bump locked!

ron: they already came and got it

cobra: that motherf***** ain`t gone! they ain`t touch your screen door, dog!
they ain`t touch your f***** door! what they bring it back?

ron: no

cobra: put new ones in?

ron: came back and put new ones in.

5.19 Ron: they better mother fucking bring something man cause if I find the mother fuckers game then I don’t give a fuck about prison, prison don’t scare me

5.36 A different woman’s voice is on the tape: yes, well that’s my last name not hers, the name…..then it cuts off

5.45 Ron: well the mother fuckers are playing games I’m fucking going to kill somebody

5.50 Ron: the fucking date of birth we need to find her fuck the date of birth

6.23 Misty: what the fuck

6.25 woman’s voice: ain’t….problem cause of the dope

6:36 Ron: (unintelligible)……..fuck with it…..(unintelligible)

6.49 woman’s voice: a little baby….(unintelligible)

6.51 Ron: give me my fucking phone

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This is the parts we wasn’t supposed to hear!

see Jen,both of us ain’t wrong,lol i hopeeeeee lol thats exacly what i heard too!! just couldn’t say it as well as you did!

Ive listened to that 911 tape over and over. I think in a previous blog, I broke it down…line by line.
“There are alot of truths in the lies”

That brick wasn’t there when I was asleep. That wasn’t like that when I was asleep.

She is right, it wasn’t. It was put there while she was awake.

It’s her subconscious twist on words to lie, but still tell the truth.
Sociopaths do it all the time. Not saying she is one, but they have that skill. They can play on words really well.

LOL Bingo Jen!

Jan,it was refreshing to read your artical.I always like it when you write them(no offence Simon,I like yours also) I think someone who has a compassionate heart sees things some will over look,if they are only being judgemental,when viewing,listning to,or reading anything,that involves a child dissapearing.

I have read other articals you have wrote,to do with the 2 alledged sodimizers,one who is said to have did this to a 5 yr old,an he was released on a 30,000 bond.Im sure your remeber about them,i think you wrote about this,earlier this yr.So im sure you have had privy to maney mailing you about these cases,or sending you things to get you to write about them.So to you as well as Simon Please keep on doing the good work the two of you have been doing so far.

hmm Called her or was she the 3rd on the tape?

*cj*

thanks! for posting the 911 call transcript.

sure is interesting. i know many have talked about this before, but i may have missed any conclusion you all came to about it – were they ever questioned, or did they ever say who the woman in the background was ?

seems to me, that would be something pretty important to LE.

jmo

right Tough!!!! But i’ve never heard if they did,i would almost bet tn was there when 911 was called!

5.36 A different woman’s voice is on the tape: yes, well that’s my last name not hers, the name…..then it cuts off

cobra: when you left for work, you locked that f**** door, you had that back door locked?

ron: yeah yeah… but you know what? you look on the internet and look up bump locks.

cobra: i know, i know how to bump lock like a motherf***** but you know that s***works like sometime works sometime works sometime…. if the feds would have tookthe whole motherf***** door knob we could have told it`s been bump locked!

ron: they already came and got it

cobra: that motherf***** ain`t gone! they ain`t touch your screen door, dog!
they ain`t touch your f***** door! what they bring it back?

ron: no

cobra: put new ones in?

ron: came back and put new ones in.

5.45 Ron: well the mother fuckers are playing games I’m fucking going to kill somebody

5.50 Ron: the fucking date of birth we need to find her fuck the date of birth

6.23 Misty: what the fuck

6.25 woman’s voice: ain’t….problem cause of the dope

6:36 Ron: (unintelligible)……..fuck with it…..(unintelligible)

6.49 woman’s voice: a little baby….(unintelligible)

6.51 Ron: give me my fucking phone

I dunno how i got that screwed up,omit cobras stmts!

I can’t wait Tobias,but i believe today with all my heart,ron is the one thats gonna go down? errrrrrr uhhh mmmm should!

Ron thought if he’ss in the background threatening to kill they’d believe it!
why the hell then,that much rage and did he ever once go out that back door…….
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!
case and point,he didn’t need to find her,he knew where she was……imvho

That last tape of Ron talking to Cobra about the gators and haleigh , his cold discription of what they would do, thats what really did it for me. No father could say that without crying. jmo
Gotto get to bed now see ya later.

God yes Tobias,and he was saying ,he’d take jr out with him before he’d lose custody,and he meant it,,,,,,,imoo

I’ve been putting things together to share wiff yas when i gitter done,i’ll send it to yas!

really *cj* ?

i’ll have to keep my eyes open for that one…

I tell ya if he was there and was totally silent with all this going on he knew to be quiet for a good reason. He had seen Ron mad and knew if he wasnt he would be hit. Sorry but thats how Isee it. jmo

Nite cathy see ya later.

911 Transcription / Misty Croslin / HaLeigh Cummings
OP: 1271. 265. Signal 8.
MLE1: 1271. <——- 1271 Answers dispatch.. Signal 8 is a missing child. (is this spoken or commentary?)

OP: 202 Green Lane. 2 zero 2 Green Lane. The complainant’s advising she cannot find her 5 year old daughter. The backdoor is open at this time.

MLE1: 10:4. _______51_____code _____17.
OP: It’s 51 code. Sierra 1120.
MLE1: 10:26. Go ahead and advise 1118, I believe she is in the squad room.
OP: 1118.

FLE1: I’m 10:26. I’ll be 10:8 in just a couple. 10:51. <——- this is 1271 responding
OP: 10:4. 1256. <——— dispatcher must have received a phone call from 1256, so dispatch knew she was there.
FLE1: You got a cross street?
OP: Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe Avenue. It’s going to be in Satsuma.

MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: I got the age on this kid. Is it a boy or girl?
OP: Whiskey Foxtrot. )white female) Last seen wearing her PJ’s.

you know, this is going to sound far-fetched, and i don’t think TN had anything to do with harming or hurting haleigh…but i’ve been thinking about how it was said that TN wouldn’t watch haleigh…its almost as though that story was told to cover someone’s behind.

i mean, what purpose is there, for saying that TN was asked to watch her, but didn’t??

could it be ron’s big cover-up has to do with protecting TN??? (besides himself)

wonder if there’s any possible way that she had haleigh that night, after all, and something happened, and misty has to take the fall (according to them)…

just thinking aout loud…lol

jmo

MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane. <————– She was not there previously!!
MLES: 10:4. Go ahead and gather as much information as you can get about any family or anything around here and uh, go ahead and call in and get her reported a signal 8.
OP: 10:4. It’s already done, Sir..

last seen 1 to `1 1/2 hours ago ?

wonder how that fits into the timeline, if, supposedly haleigh went to bed about 8pm, and misty at about 10-10:30pm…

even if misty got up “to pee” at 3am, that’s still approx. only a matter of minutes before LE was called ?

if it was truly an hour or so, that means someone saw haleigh between 1:30am-2:00am
right ?

i never made that connection before just now.

thanks for the info *cj*

jmo

right Tough?????????

Hasn’t it been posted that LE was at Tommy’s address that night to issue a barking dog complaint? Why would LE issue a citation for a barking dog complaint made days earlier at two o’clock in the morning? That makes no sense to me. I think there had to be something else to that story that we don’t know or not privy to. JMO

6.51 Ron: give me my fucking phone

I think people have “concerns” about this part of the 911 call

OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26. <———dispatcher asks you are at 116 Tyler St??
MLE1: What’s going on at 116? <——— Supervisor ask, what’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256. <———-Deputy calls Dispatch
OP: Go head. <———–Dispatcher Answers.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green

Misty advised LE that she often took the kids over to Tyler st. An officer was sent over there. The officer then responds that she is leaving (10:08) Tyler st, going BACK to Green Lane.

I guess I am confused at what people are reading into this section of the 911 call.

I meant dispatch tape not 911 tape.

the dog report came out on the 19th????

http ://i.cdn.turner .com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

the reports

Wasn’t the citation to tommy given at 11 am the day Haleigh disappeared? Report was dated 2/19 though. Perhaps the officer didn’t remember to file one at citation time and had to do it 2/19 to complte the case docs.

yes whylie,but they were unaware there was an officer already there at Tommys,until the officer at tommys said,”I am nearby” then they ask him,whats going on there???????

wait a sec,lemme find it!

CathyJoe–That part has me confused. I do not think LE would find it important enough to issue a barking dog complaint (made days earlier) at 2 o’clock in the morning. They would have waited untiL the morning I would assume. Cops at your door at 2 o’clock in the morning usually spells emergency. Its not coincidental to me that LE is at Tommy Croslin’s house a full hour BEFORE the original 911 call made by Misty. Did the cops make contact with Tommy at that time? Was Misty’s 911 call the FIRST one made about Haleigh’s disappearance? I am clearly confused. JMO

me too but from what i have gathered,the cops were at tommys and someone called 911 from tommys at 2:13
then at 3:27 the other call comes in to 911
Then because that cop wasn’t supposed to be at Tommys,wasnt known to le??? right,
then everybody heard that on the radio,neighbors,media,us,lol and wanted to know why they were there at tommys???
then i gathered that they made up the dog complaint to cover that officer?????? just all i know??

I think the confusion came from Greenwoods interview where he said they were investigating since 2:13 BUT Greenwood also said it was TN that went to the MH that night around 7 and we know it was AS. I think Greenwood errored, wouldn’t be the first time that LE got stuff mixed up in the case.

911 being called at 2 am on Haleigh is a big difference between then and 3:27 am.

See, iof we had all phone records we could figure this out.

imho……someone for some reason had to cover their own asses,as to why that cop was at tommys,when they werent supposed to be!

I think it was just another officer, that had been called in that asked what was going on at Tyler. I really believe the officer went to Tommy’s from the MH to see if Haleigh had wandered over there. That would be normal to check since Haleigh went there regularly.

It’s kinda hard explaining it,lol k wait! brb

Whylie,no there was a 911 call at 2:13am From tommys??

Whylie,no there was a 911 call at 2:13am From tommys??

things just are way toooo weird!
we do know they carried the mattress out but contamintaed it,
did not take the door
think about all that,someone was helping ron for a reason! jmo

ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.

cobra: yea, well i`m trying to get a team down here brother and the only thing that`s
stopping that right now… the only thing that is stoppin me is the sheriff and
the f***** deputy wont call me back and they got the power to do it and they
aint called me so… i finally talked to somebody from FDLE this afternoon and
they gotta…

ron: well let me get on my phone and see if i can get john…

I think that’s how it went down. She knew in her tape with her mom she could get 15. She says they might as well giver her 15. Then she plead and rec’d 15. She has appealed though.

You’re right, Jaba I need to re-look at the amount of pills/mgs for selling/they were charged for….. it is so very confusing.. But I still think the sentencing guidelines are a bit strange, in all aspects. Off to try and inform myself!! gn all!!

i think there is something to the cops saying they were heading “back” to Green Lane

right,so do I!

I don’t know about Putnam County but in St. Johns, LE will only respond to a barking dog call between the hours of 10pm and 6am. They don’t consider it a disturbance during the day. I know this from personnel experience. Have a neighbor that will leave her dog out on the back porch (condo right next door) and it barks and barks and barks, sounds like it is being tortured. Lots of times I go to bed around 9pm, get so aggravated by the barking. I have many times gone over and asked her to PLEASE bring her dog in but she really is a biotch and will not. I have tried calling LE to complain and they will not respond until after 10pm. I have had to call the at 2am, 3am, 5am many times because the dog will still be out barking. This dog HATES being put out on the back porch and the entire time it is out there it will not stop barking. LE does come out and verify that the dog is out barking and they will issue citations then.

I do not think Ron harmed Haleigh. His behavior has been erratic and some of his statements have gave me pause but as for hurting Haleigh, I just do not think he would. Look at those pictures of Ron and Haleigh. It shows a man who adored his daughter. I do not condone his behavior after Haleigh’s disappearance, but if he wanted rid of his responsibility of his raising his children, he could have given them to Crystal, instead of killing them. He had a support system for help raising them by AS and TN. I do not think, no matter their reputation (or rumor) that TN and AS would help cover Ron for killing Haleigh. TN would know what the consequences for aiding and abetting a homocide and hindering an investigation would entail. I just do not believe all these people would be complicit in an elaborate coverup for RON. I can’t see it at all. JMO

to earlier posts about weight gain vs loss in prison…alot of people gain weight initially…(prisons starve ya moreso than jails) Especially druggies….cuz druggies dont eat three squares a day…lucky if they eat once a day, plus the food served in jail is high fat and carb, little protein, and this couples with a suddenly very sedentary lifestyle

OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116? <——-
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence

Thats all i have whylie,no actual call?
but the cop was on duty,no one else knew they were there or why???

THat is the same one CJ, she says she is going back to Green lane.

First two LE on scene to MH was a male and a female. Misty told them she often took the kids over to Tyler. Female LE goes over to Tyler to check. Leaves Tyler, tells dispatch she is going BACK to green lane.

Whylie–Thank you for asking that question. I am wondering of the call at 2:13 am. Is this fact or rumor?

That could very well be,but i don’t buy it,

verify last place she was seen shoulda been at rons?????????
Tommy came to rons that day?????
Misty didn’t go there!!!! said after tommy and kids left,she made dinner,went to bed!

i should keep my big mouff shut,till i got it all sorted out,lol

oh waitttttttttt,lol ill brb!!!!!!
think know where i saw it!

Let me add some more confusion to the mix. I thought this all transpired during the 911 call. So if Misty was on the phone with LE making the initial report and the dispatcher said “why are you at Tyler” at that time, how could that officer have even known about Tyler at that time?

Whylie

She arrived at the same time, but were they in separate cars? She could have gotten the call when at Tyler, it’s only around the block (so to speak) and met up with him at the same time.

Whylie,

You are on it!

Thx for all the info.

maryd, she said she was going BACK to Green Lane which means she had already been at Green Lane, went to Tyler and was heading back to Green Lane.

Not arguing WhyLie, but how did you know that Misty told LE she sometimes brings the kids to Tyler? I just never heard that one.

maryd, it is in the police report. Deputy Nelson asked Misty if she ever took Haleigh on walks and she told him that she walked with Haleigh to Tyler (redacted) to visit her family.

Still looking guys,sorry but i found this,yall might find it interesting?
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Date: October 28, 2009

Haleigh Cummings is a beautiful, 6 year old girl who disappeared from her home in Satsuma, Florida in the early hours of February 10, 2009. Her family is hoping to have her safely returned home soon. Should you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings, please contact either of the following: Putnam County Sheriff’s Office at 386-329-0800, Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-8477 or call 911.

My research of the 911 call began by downloading a copy and using a free software program that enables you to slow down the recording. I was amazed at the things I was picking up on that were not being reported on the sites displaying the transcriptions. These errors could have been simply overlooked as so many people were trying to get the transcriptions out to the public in an effort to help in any way possible. There have been numerous transcriptions publicized regarding the 911 call that Misty Croslin placed the night that Haleigh Cummings was reported missing. While listening to this call myself I heard several things being said that, more often than not, were listed as “inaudible” or just left out completely. There were also things that were transcribed as being heard on the recording which I, as well as many other people, do not hear.

One of the first things that caught my attention was at approximately 2:38 minutes into the call. Clearly you can hear the 911 operator ask Misty for her name and phone number, then asking how to spell her last name. Following that Misty, in my opinion, is saying “Stop…Ough, you’re hurting me, I just woke up.” For whatever reason this was never reported on any of the news channels that I viewed playing the recording over and over or in any of the transcripts that I was reading, including legitimate news sites that had their own versions of the transcripts posted.

The transcripts that I read at various blogs were stating that at approximately 3:48 seconds into the call when the operator has called back and is speaking with Ronald Cummings, father of precious Haleigh, that Misty was saying “I don’t wanna…”. Let me note that not all bloggers were stating this, just quite a few that I had stumbled upon. Also, the transcriptions that I read posted at a national broadcast news station’s site featuring one of the hardest working journalists in the business, did not have this “I don’t wanna..” statement listed.

Upon learning the discrepancies I decide to do a transcription as to what I believe I am hearing. As you review my transcription, please keep in mind that I can make mistakes as well. The areas that I have highlighted with bold lettering indicate statements that I am hearing on this call that have not been previously reported in the transcriptions that I have read. Again, let me reiterate, I am only giving you my interpretation of what I believe I am hearing on this recording and you are free to comment on anything you may hear differently or if you are able to understand any of the areas that I have listed as “inaudible”.

The following transcript has been transcribed using the 911 call recording that was released to the public. You can find copies of the recording by doing a Google search for “Haleigh Cummings 911 Call”.

To hear the recording or view transcripts you can start with some of these links:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/police_say_haleigh_cummings_di.php

fOUND A REALLY INTERESTING ONE BUT TOO LONG!

mrsn…I mailed the test strips and lancets yesterday morning…they said the package would be there Monday. I saw the address when you posted it here and went for it LOL…glad you can use them

ty becky sooooooooooooo much

yep Jill, thats what her meter is

You are more than welcome! Glad to help.

Don’t worry mrsm, happy for you and your daughter.

Maryd–very plausible theory..But wouldn’t there be blood–alot of blood to clean up. LE was at Tommy’s house sometime that night and might have seen the initial crime scene, not to mention Haleigh probably would have screamed and alerted the neighbors. But something like this happening could explain the lies and may establish the coverup. JMO

does anyone know if the courtroom is open for these drug hearings? can anyone attend? the one next week in st johns county os 5 min from me

is it true that misty said at some point that her and rons blanket was in the van when the cops took it for testing? anyone else hear that?

misty wouldve called 911, not tried to cover up

robin said, in June 3rd, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Maryd–very plausible theory..But wouldn’t there be blood–alot of blood to clean up. LE was at Tommy’s house sometime that night and might have seen the initial crime scene, not to mention Haleigh probably would have screamed and alerted the neighbors. But something like this happening could explain the lies and may establish the coverup. JMO

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Robin,

If it occurred outside somewhere LE may not have been looking for blood. Would the dogs have alerted to it? Don’t know. Another poster asked why wouldn’t Tommy have gotten rid of it having kids himself. My thoughts on that (and just speculating), is that maybe he thought he would be questioned about it, or he is just an idiot and thought the dog only attacked her because she was outside and surprised it. Who knows. But, if that happened I doubt Tommy would want to tell Ron, he would figure he’d kill him. Same for Misty maybe.
Anyway these are just possibilites to me, maybe Linsey knows and that’s why she hates the dog and keeps it caged. Just speculating, and I can’t help but wonder about the jeans Cobra said he found in the garbage at Rons that had a tare in the butt area with blood. If there’s any truth to it, maybe the dog attacked Misty too while trying to protect her. All just speculation on my part.

hi *maryd*

it seems to me though, if the dog got ahold of haleigh, or any child, there would have been so much commotion that all the neighbors would’ve heard and been outside, running over perhaps, or calling 911 themselves.

those mobile homes don’t hold in sound real well, so even if an attack took place inside, someone would’ve heard people yelling at the dog, attempting to get control of it, the child’s screams at being attacked, not to mention the growling and what have you involved with a viscious dog attack.

although i respect your opinion, those are just my reasons why i can’t see it…

jmo

Hi Tough,

I just read on line about a 7 yr old boy who was attacked by the families Pit Bill in the basement of his home. It went for his throat. His sister found the boy in the basement and went to get the father. The father came down and was attacked to but got a gun and shot it. The boy died. Sad story, but no one even knew the boy was attacked until the sister went downstairs looking for him. If you google Pit Bull kills child, you will see so many stories of these incidents.

that’s so sad *maryd*

tommy got rid of the red truck asap, i dont see him holding on the a dog that killed a child….he may be an idiot in some ways but he loves his kids…he is the red neck kind who would immediately want the dog destroyed…he wouldve fed it to the gators…even if he had to wait a week or two or three to let things cool down first….he couldve stged it getting run over in the road, whatever, and i dont see lyndsay allowing it to live either, especially around her children

jaba, you think the best of misty as do i. what do you think of my theory. what is your theory.

one thing i have always felt fairly certain about, is that whatever happened to haleigh was most likely an accident, imo.

however, i think alot of the “guilty” behaviors we see amongst all that could be involved, are due to cover-up. i don’t just mean a cover-up as far as haleigh is concerned, but i also think part of the cover-up has to do with the fact that whatever happened to her happened in the area, or timeframe of the commission of either something else illegal, or “immoral” (before you guys hollar at me for that…i’m meaning immoral in the sense of the general public…as the dictionary may define it…lol)

in my eyes, i think the reason LE wasn’t called immediately (instead of after ron got home) was because either there was the drugs, the guns (and all that goes with them, including possibly someone involved with that actually being in the mh that night), or that misty did have “company”, most likely stemming from the partying the 3 days prior.

any of these factors would give her hesitation to call 911 right away. any of these would give her (and perhaps ron, and tommy) reason to lie about the events of that night. and could definitely be part of the reason they all have acted so suspiciously.

i’ve thought for a long time about how she very well could’ve been in contact that night with someone, which, if ron found out, there would be hell to pay.

just my thoughts…

i agree toughcookie…the only thing is someone there who shouldnt be, or even misty leaving the kids alone to meet someone does not result in a gone or dead child.

*mrsm*

what i meant by that was that if there were someone there to see misty, who had been perhaps with her during those 3 days of partying (a man)…

who knows what could have been going on over there to either put haleigh in immediate danger, or cause misty to divert her attention from the kids she was supposed to be watching…

and with ron trying to reach her, and her not answering…

just saying that was my train of thought on that.

jmo

to me that again leads to OD…if Misty had “company” what would she do….get the kids to bed and to sleep ASAP

Alexandria–I have never heard of the confidential meeting with CPS so I don’t know if it is true or not. Crystal didn’t know about the excessive absenteeism until the investigation of the abuse allegations AFTER Haleigh’s disappearance, when she received Haleigh’s school records. If Ron was indeed in trouble and possibly going to lose custody, wouldn’t the school or CPS notify the other parent (Crystal) to let her know the situation? I have no clue what protocol is in that situation, though. JMO

well said *maryd*

we all put our “stuff” out here for speculation only. we won’t know anything about what “really” happened if and until someone is actually charged and convicted in this case.

all we can really do, as we weave through the tangled web of misinformation…

is hold out hope and all sweet wishes for
*haleighbug*

jmo

Thanks Tough,

and that’s the truth!

Blessed thoughts for Haleighbug.

That is a really cute nick name, and Butterbean too.

Just love them

Mrsm–I think those drug hearings are opened to the public, but I am not sure. Maryd–One of my theories is like the one you just mentioned, especially a drug dealer.

I don’t know how they do things in Florida, but if they are as messed up as California’s CPS, they would only notify the other parent after the hearing if custody was terminated. I investigated Elder Abuse in here and at times met with Child Abuse Investigators. It really didn’t matter what the investigators found, the Social Workers filed the reports with the courts and many of them were inaccurate. We even had a Social Worker who was arrested for not getting her child to school but she remained a CPS Social Worker. We alsohad a Sex offender working in the CPS Office. LE may be doing everything they possibly can and may even feel they have enough for an arrest but if the DA doesn’t think there is enough for a conviction then it just isn’t going to happen.

with my memory Mary,i gotta keep it refreshed,lol

*jaba* @ 11:32

wow…fantastic post *jaba*!

for me, it brought out alot of emotion, and when you got to “40 lb little girl”, i sure teared up…really hit me.

always enjoy what you have to say. its intelligent and well-thought out.

Jaba…..imo Misty is holding back one hugeeeeeee clue! to protect someone imo???

got myself up every single day,got myself off,lol

Well,i flibbed alittle,her mom was blind deaf and couldn’t speak….I don’t like the word they use for that so I won’t use it!

(((maryd)))

you can toss out the dog theory..
no one could surpress the racket that would have caused..
………….
toughcookie said,in June 3rd, 2010 at 11:40 pm *jaba*
always enjoy what you have to say. its intelligent and well-thought out.
…………..
your joking right?
…………
I got myself up for school, hated it..bailed in 11th grade and joined the marines..

Alexandria Loring said,
in June 3rd, 2010 at 11:11 pm

Robin, I know Crystal was in arrears, my point is there was some type of hearing on the day Haleigh disappeared. Possibly confidential hearing by Florida’s version of CPS (Child Protective Services) and if there was a possibility of Ron losing custody he would then be the one to pay child support. Here in California the custodial parent gets the child support and I have witnessed so many children being fought over here not because they were wanted by both parents but because one or both did not want to pay support. It’s very sad!
==================
There was no hearing on the day Haleigh went missing.

*oj*

always love it when i see you’ve been lurking long enough to “get the goods” on a whole bunch of us…

and then *blast* us all at once…

lol

It was for Truancy,i found it the other night but oboyyyyyyyyyyy

Love to see some definitive proof from a reliable source.

I am kidding,lol

i know you would Jaba,i found it the other night,crap.lol brb

not only got myself up and off to school…but my siblings as well…

and i’m the oldest of 6!

lol

I loved the days I stayed home from school, just me and my mom. I always worried something would happen to her so it was nice to be there with her. Could never find a white shirt for assembly day with a blue skirt. Hated getting in trouble.

Sorry getting off subject.

toughcookie said,in June 3rd, 2010 at 11:53 pm *oj*

always love it when i see you’ve been lurking long enough to “get the goods” on a whole bunch of us…

and then *blast* us all at once…

lol
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrong cookie..just catching up and commenting..

Cathyjo,

Good thing you keep so many links. I’d be in deep doo doo with all these requests. lol

I always like to see evidence of claims made. A lot of the time , the anonymity of the net allows folks to say just anything without having to prove it. So much good on the net and so much bad.
I’ve seen some claims followed up with proof because folks are just proud of their claim. Some are worthy of that pride.

One thing about bnn, a lot of folks are well documented and footnoted about what they state as fact.

hmmm,still searching Jaba but guy’s……I just happened to remember reading that JS’ wife is a nurse,why the hello is everybody wondering if that side took her she couldn’t get what they need???

true Jaba,but the only thing we have as proof is what these druggers tell us?
nothings been confirmed officially! basically!

*jaba* @ 11:52

yes, that’s what really got me, was thinking of her actual little physical description, her spectacular smile, her bright eyes, all of those things, and just thinking how someone could’ve harmed her…

i have a real soft heart when it comes to kids…like to “mother” the world…lol.

this whole situation is just so unbelievably sad…

jmo

ty Mary,thats exactly right!
seems like we hear it on n/g or from le,next day its different,lol no i am not stressing Jaba.I for one would also loveeee to find the proof??

and you’ll chip a tooth too OJ! Like casey did????? back up now,lol silly

LMBO@Alex,I swear i feel drugged for listening to em period!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we aint met one who isn’t in lala land?? all sides,have we? NO!!!!!!!

Too funny, CathyJo

shoot,they oughta donate us a v8 a day to stay balanced on this case….shewwwwww

No wonder they all have to sling fists at one another? Jesus God they forget whos who!

fightinest one bunch i ever encountered!

CathyJo63 said,in June 4th, 2010 at 12:18 am and you’ll chip a tooth too OJ! Like casey did????? back up now,lol silly
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it would be worth it..

OJ,NO it wouldn’t ,you’d look like Tommy then do do!!!

what cop Vaq??

make your own judgements here?????
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There is more to the article, but this is the interview that Cobra gave.

Cobra was kind enough to grant an interview:

S: Are you from Florida?

C: Originally I’m from Virginia, a Virginia common wealth boy. I moved to Florida in 1975, I reside in Broward County.

S: You are a bondsmen and investigator right?

C: I am a licensed private investigator by the state of Florida, a licensed bondsmen in the state of Florida, and a licensed general contractor in the state of Florida.

S: You work for yourself right?

C: Yes I own Case Closed Inc. and Lighting Strike Force bail bonds company

S: Do you believe Haleigh is alive?

C: YES

S: Is Haleigh being passed around through different people?

C: Yes family type people. I will put it this way, law enforcement does not think a stranger is involved in the abduction.

S: Do you know who has her know?

C: If I did I would be hugging Haleigh right now not here with you.

S: Who has custody of Ron Jr.?

C: Ron Cummings has physical custody of Ron Jr. They live at Ron’s grandmothers in Welaka, Florida.

S: Do you think Ron Cummings is who he portrays himself to be for the media?
C: NO

S: Do you think Crystal Sheffield is who she portrays herself to be for the media?

C: NO I don’t think any of them have clean hands.

S: Are Nay Nay and Amber still part of the investigation?

C: Never were. I helped them by trying to get them into rehab to better themselves, but they have reneged on it.

S: Did you ask Ron to go back to the house for another look?

C: Yes, he initially said ok. It was planned for the following day. By that time he had lawyered up. And told me that anything you need you can talk to my lawyer about.

S: Is Ron out searching for his daughter?

C: Hell NO

S: Out of curiosity how much has your search for Haleigh cost you?

C: To date approximately $35,000

that’s easy, there is none.

Is that someone’s post or something?

an interview from scaredmonkeys I should say?

I thought it said a clip from blog ger radio??

Confirmed there is none. I T S

We lack so much of what LE has, its all pretty much weave conjecture through the fact grapevine.

Right Robin! sec,have sommin here! or did brb

Ronald Cummings “If I had $35,000, I Would Have Haleigh Back”
September 2, 2009 – 7:51 am
Posted in Featured
Tagged Haleigh Cummings, Ronald Cummings, Steph Watts, Texas EquuSearch, Tim Miller

On August 28th, Misty Cummings’ father, Hank Croslin Sr., left a voicemail message for Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch claiming Ronald Cummings told him “If I had $35,000, I could have Haleigh back.” So Tim Miller reacted quickly, reaching out to people he knew who would help. Now another fellow Texan and friend of Millers, Roy Moffitt of Roy Moffitt Customized Fueling Inc., has stepped up to the plate and written a check to Ronald Cummings for $35,000.

So now that Tim Miller, who’s only concern is to find Haleigh Cummings, has got you the money, (below is a copy of the check to prove it), you and Hank Sr. can go get Haleigh, Ronald, and bring her home safely.

Also, in another voicemail message, Ronald Cummings’ mother, Teresa Neves, called Miller on August 18th saying Misty was “ready to crack.” In her voicemail, Neves is concerned about Misty’s state of mind, saying she won’t even be in the same room as Ronald and leaves to talk on the phone privately, and is acting “crazy.” Neves urges Miller to come to Florida quickly because Misty ”is ready to crack.

that sure is alot of absences (if true).

here in california, that parent would have already met with the school and a representative of CPS.

here, even if the absence is excused (depending on the school district) the parent is liable and responsible for the absence.
(that part doesn’t seem fair to me, as kids often get sick for days at a time. even with a dr’s note at the elementary where i once worked, the parents were still held accountable by the district).

just my thoughts

here too tough!
theres some interesting things about js but by the bald one! lol so can’t post! lol

The TN voicemail worried me for a long time,and especially lately because i thought ,OMG ron might be gonna do something to her and say she did it herself?? b/c she confessed or something…..I mean these folks will do anything!

Johnny Sheffield (Crystal’s Dad)
UCN: 542004CF001425XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-08-03 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Defense Atty: STEPHENSON, JOHN W
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2004-08-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO

2004-08-03 1 KNOWINGLY OWN, MANAGE OPERATE FACILITY TO FIGHT ANIMALS

2004-08-03 1 CRUELTY TO ANIMALS

2004-08-03 1 ATTENDING THE FIGHTING OR BATING OF ANIMALS

2004-08-03 1 ATTENDING THE FIGHTING OR BATING OF ANIMALS

UCN: 542005MM002130XXAXMX
File Date: 2005-05-09 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2005-05-09 1 COMPLAINT SOPC DWAINE ELSON WEIKER 5/04/2005

2005-05-09 1 BATTERY

2005-05-09 1 ASSAULT

UCN: 542006CO000024XXAXCX
File Date: 2006-02-14 Judge: ELIZABETH A MORRIS
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2006-02-14 1 LOCAL ORDIN CITA #06-395 1/6/06 PCSO/TIMPS

2006-02-14 1 PUBL NUISANCE ANIMAL/STRAY

2006-02-14 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 2/6/06

2006-02-15 2 WRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY TO LOCAL ORDINANCE

2006-02-15 2 HEARING SET 04/11/06 11:15AM 400 EAM

2006-03-08 3 NOTICE OF ORDINANCE HEARING ISSUED TO:

2006-03-08 3 DEF JOHNNY SHEFFIELD,COMP MARJORIE DUSO,D/S JON TIMPS

2006-04-11 4 COMP. DECEASED PER OFFICER – DISMISSED EAM

Reported for a stray animal on 2/14. Case dismissed on 4/11 due to complainant being deceased.

UCN: 542006CF001187XXAXMX
File Date: 2006-06-05 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2006-06-05 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO D/S K TRABER (5/22/06)

2006-06-05 1 AGGRAVATED BATTERY RENE RAMSEY

UCN: 541994MM000149XXAXMX
File Date: 1994-01-12 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: LUKASHOW, TOM
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1994-01-12 1 CITATION NO: 22942 ROBERT RAULERSON

1994-01-12 1 ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER AT NIGHT

UCN: 541995CF001500XXAXMX
File Date: 1995-08-23 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1995-08-23 1 COMPLAINT – AGGRAVATED ASSAULT W/DEADLY WEAPON

UCN: 541997MM000607XXAXMX
File Date: 1997-02-09 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: PEARL, HOWARD B
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias
Date # Docket Description
1997-02-09 1 CITATION NO: 186324-S 4 JOHN MERCHANT

1997-02-09 1 D L SUSPENDED

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John Merchant again?

I think what he means is no matter what cobra suggested?? because Misty was the one with her that night??? Ron would not even cooperate when Misty was involved in it…..he always wanted to steer cobra away from Misty?

*cj* omg…seems JS is not only cruel to people, but animals as well ? makes me sick.
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so does anyone know what ron’s response was to find that someone had actually donated the $35,000.00 ?? i would think that would be interesting.

jmo

“AGGRAVATED BATTERY RENE RAMSEY”

oh my thats not nice..and he a LE officer too..
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Johnny Sheffield has a few assault/battery charges.

CJ,

I was looking too about the truancy for you, some articles are no longer available on the subject that once were.

maryd. said,in June 4th, 2010 at 1:15 am Just curious cause it seems we might be discussing a possible involvement to Crystal now. But, why would Misty be lying if it was Crystals side who kidnapped, or stole Haleigh?
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misty said on the today show “they should look at the other side of the family” meaning crystal’s..(quotes are from memory and so is the show) but its pretty close.

she’s been in jail forever now?? and the truth wasn’t working,ya know??????

toughcookie said,in June 4th, 2010 at 1:15 am *cj* omg…seems JS is not only cruel to people, but animals as well ? makes me sick.
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so does anyone know what ron’s response was to find that someone had actually donated the $35,000.00 ?? i would think that would be interesting.

jmo
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Ron denied knowing who had her!
and yes,JS and Lindsey could be mates………crazies!!!!!!!!!

I do know the sheffs stood to gain the most!
plenty of motive!
JS moved to ky after this happened?

Regarding the change in Misty’s appearance, I think her *face* looks more swollen than fat. I wondered at first if she had gotten in some kind of physical dust-up, but then I thought of her comment to her dad. She said they had taken her off her meds because her face was “breakin’ out” with something. There’s a drug called Lamictal that’s out these days and one of the symptoms is this severe facial rash. It’s what kept me from taking it when a doctor tried to push it on me over and over and over again. Just a thought.

so you know Mistys first time,and all this time she hasn’t broke,no way!!!!!!

you can tell her chest too tho,rofl she don’t belong to da itty bitty titty committee no more!
rofl

CathyJo63 said,in June 4th, 2010 at 1:36 am Well Too Thug,she’s off the drugs and don’t smoke much now,no joke,i have done it,when i quit smoking.30 days later i am a packin’ 30 more lbs!
Some ppl it does!
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Excellent point. I didn’t think about the smoking either. Really though, the face looks swollen to me. Her eyes look stretched out from it, or maybe the braids are too tight?

lmao@braid’s too tight,so thats what happened to me,rofl
no but seriously you’re right!

Thug’lol sorry

CathyJo63 said,in June 4th, 2010 at 1:43 am oh yea true too Thig,she said the meds were breaking her out?
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Yep, in one of the talks with her dad.

well yeaaa,they detect lies???
Lie detector?

the sheffs knew when they’d be searched cause they requested it?

why do ya need one?

Cj,

What about all the failed tests and questions, think those are accurate too?

I’ll tell ya what i thought Robin?
Whats the first thing a child does when it tattles or gets even with another kid?
Stick their tongue out!!!!!!!!!!

After ron and misty went to jail,cs said she had a message for Ron and it’s a pic of her with her tongue stuck out,like GOTCHA??
Burns me up to look at it!

I was going by the fact I could see the screen say Truthful!

misty is being DRUGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
those scum at pcso are doing every dirty trick in the book and more! How can she aid in her own defense when she is being CONTROLLED by legaly MISPRESCRIBED drugs? Who is PRESCRIBING these drugs to misty? A LE employee most likely!
Corruption most foul in pcso!!!

But still say,she failed?? miserably!

Bingooooo Robin?
exactly right! If they wanted to cooperate they’d volunteer,they sure as hell volunteered a search on their property??

On April 3, Ronald was notified by his employer, PDM Bridge, that he had been fired because he had not come to work since his daughter had gone missing. In response, Ronald’s lawyer, Greg Kimball, released a public statement, which reads in part:

“From the time of Haleigh’s disappearance, Ronald Cummings was told that his employer was holding his job open. He was told by his employer that he could start back to work on Monday, April 6, 2009. Ronald agreed to this date and was prepared to go into work when he was told on Friday, April 3, 2009 that the offer to return to work was being withdrawn for ‘abandoning his job.’”

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ahaaaaaa See,this is what makes me think Ron got caught leaving work that night,they were holding his job till the 6th???????
But fired him 3 days before,I betchaaaaaa

Lie detectors dont detect lies..they monitor blood pressure, heart rate, and who knows what else… to detect CHANGES.. variables in previous questions where the answers are known..
They are unreliable and inadmissable in court.

If you want o back them or not, you should take a look at the data on them.

They aren’t admissable in court, but they are used a ton, in different fields.

Shux,just get em drunk….rofl
A drunk will tell ya anything you need to know and then some!!!!!

So if it didn’t work on misty you have , what 4 of 5 questions similar in score and one that isn’t. I wonder if that means you could just reverse the scoring and if the one question is false and the other 4 are true, not false, that one question was did she know anything right?

Shew, cj, how many variable can we get on one issue?

shoot if i know Jaba,you done lost me!!!!
I ain’t that smart!!!!lol

If we have changed our minds and have differing theories, why can’t the sheff side of the family?

Who knows how many scenarios have run through every players head in this thing. We’ve heard 3 or 4 different ones from the ones in jail, much less the outsiders, bloggers, tv reporters, etc…

To want to hope against hope that the child is alive is probably very comforting to family memebers. Doesn’t raise them to anym$ore of a suspect level just for that.

We’ve heard tommy has failed.

Hello everyone! I have only posted on this site a few times with my thoughts on this case. I check it daily just to stay informed. I must say that when the truth finally comes out, I am sure that someone on this site has nailed it right on the head. Every one has brain stormed about every possible situation. I respect every ones ideas and opinions. Just when I think that I have my mind made up, some one brings up a valid point about another possibility and blows my theory right out of the water ( for a while). But I always come back to the theory that mc is protecting rc and tommy is protecting mc and himself. I pretty much think along the same lines as Cathy Jo. I also want to thank her for all of the research and helpful info that she posts. There are alot of us out here who just read and never or rarely post a comment. So Cathy Jo, I just want you to know that you are greatly appreciated. By the way, I don’t know how many of you on this site have any LE experience, but I am former LE (Illinois, don’t know if that would be much help) and could probably answer any general LE questions that you may have. Hey, I figure any way that I can help is better than no help at all. Thank you every one. I really enjoy your posts, and very seldom do I see bashing. (thats really nice).

Yes Tuff Stuff. That’s why Ron has gotten away with so much. He does have a long history of getting in trouble, and he got a slap on the wrist every time. There’s a guy in a town where I live who also had connections with LE. They kept letting him go. Eventually he and a girl he picked up were driving drunk and hit a mom and her youngest daughter early in the morning. They both survived, but the mother will have problems with her leg for the rest of her life, and the daughter is paralyzed.

I knew a State trooper who said even if he pulls over someone he knows he will not just let them slide, because if they learn from their mistakes then he may one day save their life.

When this first happened, I posted that CS is the culprit behind all of this. I think she is one mentally warped person and would go to lengths to get revenge on Ron. I also think that when (her family or her connections) failed at getting ‘both’ Haleigh and Jr out of the trailor that night, she continued to be angry. This is why the Kim Picassio crap on TV trying to run Ron in the dirt while Haleigh was missing.

She is the non-custodial parent, she is the one who kept losing in court, she is the one that owed thousands of dollars in back child support, she is the one who hated her kids calling Misty mama, she is the one who is with a guy who kidnapped and hid his own kids for a year and is proud of it, and she is the one who has a previous record for falsely accusing a guy of a felony ~ admitting she only wanted revenge, and she is the only one in this whole scenario that has that little thing called a “motive”.
People don’t just go around taking kids for no reason. (And all we know at this point is that Haleigh is missing, period!) The rest is all hearsay.
Im sure there are plenty of people who didn’t like Ron and the way he fathered the kids. Im sure it angered her family beyond belief that they didn’t get to be with the kids, and here they are with a guy like Ron who the court picked over their daughter and denied them a chance to be with their grandchildren.
Believe me, Ive been there, done that. And that is why non custodial abductions are very common! They probably thought it was going to be just like every other time her and Ron took the kids from each other. Only this time, they had the perfect opportunity….a f’d up 17 y/o watching them that night while Daddy was at work. They have gotten revenge on Ron and hurt him emotionally, and have twisted this to the point of framing MC and TC to look guilty.

However, LE would of arrested MC and TC a long time ago if they were guilty. They are brilliant masterminds that can fool the FBI! No, MC and TC hold the keys to this case, because they were there, but were so f’d up and most likely asleep, they can’t recall.

Anyway, that was my first opinion of this case. Maybe my first hunch is right?

JenM- that was my very original thought on this case also- Hmmm!

I think it is very possible that a maternal family member had Haleigh taken, or took her themself. I can think of at least one family member that made it clear in interviews that “everbody knows me” and may fear him enough to keep their mouths shut.

I find it amazing that in the Greenwood interview which was in October, he states that they have no evidence that Haleigh is deceased, and then a few months later, after the BS stories by TC, they declare it a Homicide investigation.

AMEN to that texasmommy!

LOL nothing can compare to a crazy women!!!!!

Drop the a .. I ment both of them, sorry.
CS ain’t right in the head either.

WhyLie,
IMO the Sheffields have produced evidence in the past to try and suggest something happened to HaLeigh.

WhyLie
I am of the opinion that CS and family where all in this together.

The collaberation with CS PI and TC is the red flag.

I agree the truth will eventually come out.

I truely believe that the LE agents involved in this investigation are bright and gifted and will find the elusive truth and follow the string of lies that have kept HaLegh hidden.
We are not the only ones that have fallin in love with this child and want justice or her return.

If I had to speculate as to why this case as went cold/silent since the search, it is because it was again not the truth. A family that has already demonstated a motive to decieve is again a part of a search that has been unproductive in finding HaLeigh or the guilty.

The evidence supplied would be 2 cinderblocks and some rope………….Silver van recently seen in the area……. TC meets with CS’s PI before meeting with LE……. 3 day search of the St. Johns river yeilds no bones of HaLeigh, but some cinderblocks and possible some rope.

CS came out of that meeting with other family members and SH and stated “Joe killed my baby” after being told not to say anything about what was discussed. SKB went on National tv to make his claim of “I solved this case…lick his lips..it is a cummulation…licks his lips.. of 10 months of my investigation …licks his lips” after LE specifically stated “due to the sensitive nature of this case they would not be revealing who gave them the tip to search the river”
SH then discredited SKB in a press relaese and IMO makes it clear that SKB does not know what LE knows.

That’s right and I know on the outside as Crystal came out saying that and was all boo faced about it all I seen was her turn and wipe a tear with a smile in her eyes and under her skin as if to say well this works. She won.

Crayon Boy is what Cobra calls Timothy Holmseth

They have thought themselves very clever, but, my money is on LE and the fact that they do not take to kindly to be made to look like fools.

I found a picture of some cinder blocks on a dock there and I don’t think the cinder blocks they found are the same kind they had at the mobile home or won’t be able to connect them there. I don’t know about the rope either, if Joe and Tommy did feed the gators deer they very well could have used the rope to do that and prior knowledge of that would set up Joe. I don’t think Joe killed Haleigh but I think he’s in on the kidnapping. Nay Nay and them may even be in on it too using Misty’s fight to get her away from the home to get Haleigh that night. imo of course

I still do not get why it was that AS and TN had allegedly gone to search the area around the river dock? If the story is to be believed then Haleigh would be in that river somewhere.
Makes me wonder what it was that AS and TN were looking for?

Tuff, maybe they didn’t trust LE to search. I think if I got a call that my missing child/grandchild may be in a certain area I would high-tail it down there and search. I don’t find that unusual at all.

JB, well said, totally agree, the behaviors & actions of the cummings & croslin families say a lot… imo, they are hiding something!

JB I wouldn’t look at Crystal either. IMO the entire thing is beyond her scope. I do believe there are other members of her family that hate Ron enough, and feared Crystal going to jail enough to take Haleigh. It is not beyond my grasp to think that those same people employed a member or members of the Croslin family to help them pull it off.

At this point LE has not given much info on what evidence they do have. According to Greenwood in October they had nothing to indicate Haleigh was not alive. The only thing that has been released since then to indicate a change in that status are the stories told by TC. Was TC pressured by LE to say what he did in exchange for getting out of jail? Was TC actually involved directly? I guess we will know more about that when the Sunshine laws kick in and documents are released.

For me since LE has not named any person of interest, all posibilities should still be on the table.

Whylie then it seems to me that they would have been diving into the water where Haleigh allegedly was according to the story? Also, are you saying that you believe that they felt no fear of potential contamination to the scene of a possible crime? Why would they do that?

Tuff, I am saying that if a person was told that their child/grandchild was someplace that a person WOULD think about it. I don’t think contamination, or the possibility of a gruesome discovery or any other of the realities would be foremost in a person’s mind. Finding their child would be all they would be thinking about.

Whylie, “Finding their child would be all they would be thinking about” totally agree, that’s why it’s so hard to understand if Ron truly cared about finding Haleigh, why would he do drug sales?

Alexandria – Don’t get me wrong, I think Crystal and her family are druggie, creepy and don’t have any business caring for children. But I DON’T think they kidnapped Haleigh. Their stories haven’t changed. Crystal has actually tried to clean up her act. I just don’t get the whole giant conspiracy theory AT ALL. From what I heard Crystal and Ron had actually been thinking about getting back together the weekend before Haleigh went missing. As far as all these supposed sightings of Haleigh across the country, seems I remember Cindy Anthony chasing ghosts across country too….even AFTER Caylee’s bones were found.

Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings

I don’t think foul play meant murder. They would have said death or murder.

I am not saying this is right, but, have considered that Ron was unable to gain employment and was trying to make some money. We all know none of the Croslins and Ron had been able to get work since HaLeighs abduction. These young people would know drugs are a lucritive, but, risky buisness.

BBL

I think that Ron turned Crystal down was motive to anger her towards Misty and Ron. That and the child support and her step brother having life insurance out on Haleigh before they were married and that Chad had one of his kids taken for a year so he has experience in that and he was out till 5 that morning. hour and half trip away 3 to 5 is two hours plenty of time to grab her and make it home.

Tuff, I am not sure of the whole story that AS was told or what LE was told BUT we do know that LE was also searching in the wooded area around Shell Harbor, and they were doing that for a reason.

I don’t think they would want to jump in the water but I would be driven by emotion to go to the site if it were my granddaughter. I would walk around in the woods to see if there were any clothing or anything recongnizable to show if she were alive or dead. Hoping for the best all the way but I would be drawn to look not knowing.

Tobias I heard it was Chad’s child hidden but it was his ex who hid her for the year so it wasn’t his charge but custodial interferance on his ex and I don’t think it would put her in jail because TN would have been arrested for her charge of custodial interferance.

From map quest the only way in and out of that area is down buffalow rd. and onto rt. 17. Ron even says there are cameras on 17. jmo

JB–I do believe the Sheffields are a hard sell, but that is the first theory I came up with, and I still believe it is a possibilty. Not only have the ones in jail have acted suspiciously (on so many different levels), but the Sheffields have really said some things to make me go Hmmm..Johnny Sheffield is not a nice man (as evidenced by his arrest record by CathyJoe last night). Marie seems to fancy herself a psychic (making the Georgia and Alabama statement and feeling that Haleigh is still alive, abducted by someone she knows) LOL. And if Crystal and Ron were trying to get back together (and not rumor), that timing of a reconciliation would be suspicious in itself. Crystal made abuse allegations against Ron, not only against her but Haleigh as well, and yet she wants to try and work things out? It seems farfetched, but then if you factor in the back child support (and Crystal thinking it might just go away and WE all know it don’t) I could see Crystal trying to make an attempt to get Ron back. Look at the vigil pic with Ron, Crystal, and Misty. Crystal is holding on to Ron’s arm, which is fitting in the circumstances (but could it also be possessiveness? and a little payback for Misty?) Sorry I rambled, but I cannot totally discount the Sheffields as the responsible party, even though LE may or may not be looking at that angle. JMO

Tuff, Right, kind of like when Crystal and KP when traipsing through the mud and got into a boat to go search, or them going over to seven sister island at night to go search. Kind of like the Sheffield family going out and searching in San Mateo. If you think your child is someplace I would think it would be a normal reaction to go and look.

I wish they knew what day to look at besides the 10th for Dunn’s creek on 17 to look at to see if they see any vehicle known for family driving or taking the side roads to the river there. It would give good cause to search by the water access areas.

Where is this theory coming from that alleges that Ron turned Crystal down? IIRC Crystal left Ron and if her story is to be believed she left partly due to the abuse that she alleges was done to her by Ron.
I could see Ron trying to get together with Crystal. Crystal admitted that they had gotten back together but that she herself quit the relationship. I am not buying that Crystal would be making the moves on Ron so much as I can see Ron making the moves to get Crystal back. jmo

Tuff from what I’ve learned on here it was inside sources from a regular blogger doing thier own investigating. Can’t think of her name right now but she’s a regular here.

If Misty is the key and since so far she has not specifically told the truth that would match up to what LE knows then could it be that she is still holding back the truth out of some type of fear?
Misty may be covering her own tail end but…if not, What might Misty’s fear be exactly and who/what would be making Misty feel so afraid to tell the truth?

I don’t think it was an accidental death, or in jail they would tell the truth and get the lesser charge of improper disposal of a corpse.

Tuff they are now saying that Misty is not the key but she may have a key answer.

Whylie it’s the same thing imo. A key answer still means that Misty is a key.

Cobra I believe was the one who spoke of the ex wife hiding Chad’s daughter for a year. Being the mom she wouldn’t get kidnapping just interference of custody if she didn’t have custody. I agree Ron is not a good father and it is because of his lifestyle that this happened and Crystal is no angel either she failed drug tests during the time of trying to get Jr after Ron was arrested and was forced by a judge to go to rehab so she’s no angel either. They all do drugs but at least Crystal is in rehab and jr has a little hope of a normal life if she stays clean and the rest of the family gets off drugs too. The kids are all still in danger if you ask me though cause they are into drugs and that means drug people are involved and it could happen again. jmo

I believe that it is possible that Misty has told truth in bits and pieces. Possible suggestions that Misty eludes to might very well be her round about way of telling the truth also.
Folks automatically assume that Misty meant the Sheffield’s when she said that LE needed to look at the other side of the family but in reality Misty never clarified who it was that she was referring to.

tobias I agree that if she was thrown in the river it is would be difficult if not impossible to find any of her bones BUT as of now there has been no evidence released that indicates that she was thrown in the river other then the lies told by Tommy to get out of jail. Much like the Mondex story.

Alexandria Loring said,
in June 4th, 2010 at 9:36 am

What is “Attempting to take deer at night”? Ron had that in his list of arrests along with a “hit and run”. imo, Ron is the key. He married Misty to avoid a possible statutory rape charge. She was 16 when they hooked up.
One of my younger sisters was killed in a domestic violence incident, Ron reminds me of Steve, arrogant, self-centered bullied who could push around anyone weaker then him but does whatever he can to save his own a**. I hope Crystal’s family is involved, then at least Haleigh is still around but I kind of doubt it. Ron did try to search for Haleigh but only on a horse if I remember correctly. I wouldn’t let him or any of these people near an animal. Animal as referred to in my meaning is a pet not a rabid drugged up creature!
I have two boys in their 40’s, one good, one not so good growing up but nothing like those involved here. I also raised my sister’s daughter after her death, she turned out really good dispite everything she saw. To me, Ron is the key!
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Ron did not have a “taking a deer at night” charge on his record, that is Johnny Sheffield. Ron’s charge was using a modern firearm during black powder season.

That’s very true, their bones are softer so they would decompose faster but if there is any clothing or hair that may still be there. Or if she was placed in the water more recently there may be bones. Gators don’t eat as much in colder weather and during mating season and they don’t like food that doesn’t move so there’s a chance she wasn’t eaten but maybe just moved and left alone. The current would bury her in silt and that could preserve her better.

robin said,in June 4th, 2010 at 2:30 am CathyJoe–I didn’t know about Crystal sticking out her tongue to Ron. I always thought Crystal acted very immature, so I don’t doubt it for a minute. And you are right, EVERYONE should volunteer for a LDT. I would demand one, just so they could focus on finding Haleigh. It is perplexing that we don’t know who took one and what the results were. All we hear is how Misty failed miserably. Would we even hear if someone else failed? Since these people have been the focus since early on, then I doubt LE would publicize any results that would cast the suspicion on someone else. I don’t think so, and that is what is tragic. Again CathyJoe for all the info you post..You are the Best! JMO
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Robin,You are very welcome dear!
That pic has bugged me since the day i saw it,it’s so childish and it’s looks to me like she is saying”GOTCHA” Sickening!!!!
More concerned about a tonue message than Haleigh? I’don’t think LE will admit any mistakes now either but i would have said….give me a LD after or before the search????? So you guys can rule us out and find Haleigh but they weren’t even suspected and they had more of a motive than ron and misty put together….imo

Misty was not home. That is why she has lied. She was probably smoking a joint at her brother house. The dog started barking when she left. Just a theory.

Gators eat more during mating season and they prefer rotten prey , the stuff large kills under logs so its easier to feed later. I did the research, even if the gators didnt bother her there are very large turtles and crab also. And the temps were 75 and 80 and rising. jmo

texasmommy39 said,in June 4th, 2010 at 8:08 am Good morning everyone,
CJ thank you for posting your theory again. I finally got a chance this morning to read it and catch up.
Interesting that the topic last night was again about the Sheffield’s and the fact they did have a motive, ability and opportunity to abduct HaLeigh. I truly believe that the Sheffield’s hold the answers to all our and LE questions.
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I heard once or read somewhere too that js and mg have a hidden room inder their garage maybe….I’m gonna look the info up before I’ll say for sure but these ppl should have been the first one Investigated….imo…….even back when Misty was saying she didn’t know anything!
gonna go look for that stuff,brb

tobias said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am Gators eat more during mating season and they prefer rotten prey , the stuff large kills under logs so its easier to feed later. I did the research, even if the gators didnt bother her there are very large turtles and crab also. And the temps were 75 and 80 and rising. jmo
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I would think that many would of used that public boat ramp that very day to search for HaLeigh. JMO

cATHY, tHAT WAS A THEORY SINCE tj HAD BEEN IN ONE HE THOUGHT IT COULD BE A POSSIBLE PLACE SHE WAS HELD , NOTHING TO DO WITH THE sHEFFIELDS. jUST A THEORY. JMO

Well if Misty allegedly was not there then the possibility of creating a better, more plausable lie such as possibly saying something like that Joe was there babysitting in her place when she came up missing would have been much better than claiming that Joe and Tommy were there to steal a gun but that Joe had allegedly gotten so outraged because the gun was missing that he stole Haleigh and dumped her body in the river after possibly murdering her I would think?
Rediculas all of it imvho.

Remember the video of ron at the dock with a paper he pulls out of his pocket??
then the same day they pick Chad Griffis up and Marie g. gave Chad g. a false alibi?? watch mg here??
She’d do anything to screw ron over!
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

you are probably right Tobias,not probably,i’d bet ya are,I read that somewhere months ago,but ty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tuff – yes, to me the Crystal theory is as far fetched as the rotting pizza in the trunk story that Cindy Anthony told! LOL Sorry, but it just makes NO sense to me at all.

JB said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:17 am texasmommy39 said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am Misty was not home. That is why she has lied. She was probably smoking a joint at her brother house. The dog started barking when she left. Just a theory.

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Okay, so because Misty wasn’t home she lied about what Haleigh was wearing, where she put her to sleep at, that she was doing laundry detergent, why she woke up (drink or to pee), then she knew nothing, then it was possibly Joe, then it was four men, then she knew nothing again, then it was Tommy and Joe, and now she is pointing at Ron. WHY would she lie about all of that just because she wasn’t home? That makes no sense whatsoever! It also doesn’t explain Tommy’s lies, why Lindsey is freaking on Tommy now that she seems to know the truth and is divorcing him, nor does it explain Ron’s behavior.
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LOL JB, Does any thing in this case make sence? My instincts lead me to believe she was not home. Am I claiming my theory is the truth and everyone elses makes no sence? No, I have an open mind. It makes sence IMO, but, you are welcome to disagree.

Thanks vaq for the information about TJ and Cobra.

A lot of things in this case makes no sense like waiting on dogs to arrive when you have 2 dogs right there on scene. Dragging evidence out and contaminating it, not removing the door until after media has been in and out of it, going through the dumpster like gang busters with little regard to evidence preservation, sending away a trained search team when massive areas had not been searched, and on and on.

IMO all theories should be considered with an open mind.

tobias said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:25 am
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Now THAT makes sense!

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Crystalkdreams said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:28 am

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And THAT makes sense!

But the Crystal thing….that makes NO sense to me at all. But that is only MVHO.

The dogs in the car where not scent dogs, they were take down dogs, not a dog you would use to find a child.The door was not evidence but the lock was removed and replaced with a new one, TE said they were not asked to leave but had decided it was getting too dangerous and the vegitaion had made it harder to search. I believe LE has alot more evidence than we have and they are still trying to fit all the pieces together. Misty in my opinion knows who came in there and so does Ron and they are just too afraid to tell it. jmo

I’m still trying to wrap my mind around misty’s weight gain..omg it must be a side effect of those antidepressent drugs..LE is DRUGGING her and tommy..its like Stalin’s Russia in putnam county.

I think people latch on to ‘rumors’ to make their favorite appear more innocent.

Chad Griffis,Domestic Violence

I found the Baker County Court Records re the withdrawal of the injunction keeping him away from his ex and children.I think it’s a real concern that a Court didn’t let him see his children for almost 2 years and have to wonder why?
http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showd…i=0&ref=search

WhyLie said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:43 am OJ to me it looks more like swelling then weight gain, especially her face. She may have had a reaction to the meds they had her on.
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swelling..ya, your right like bloated kinda

Sheesh OJ’s. You almost sound like a prisoners rights advocate. Laura’s law is a good one. I’m a supporter for sure.

WhyLie said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:43 am OJ to me it looks more like swelling then weight gain, especially her face. She may have had a reaction to the meds they had her on.

I know Misty said in the tape she had a reaction so they took her off the meds?

tobias said,in June 4th, 2010 at 11:46 am OJ, i THINK ITS THE $145 + in chips and honey buns she has been eating. Did you hear her recipe for a tator something? EWWW She sys she takes a terriyaki beef jerky and chips and wets it and smooshes it together. About made me sick. Its on one of the tapes. beef jerky has tons of sodium(salt) makes you retain water and bloat up. jmo
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yes I heard..my girls learning jail house tricks..
keep busy misty! Take it to 12!
NOT GUILTY!!

Brainwashing causes swelling due to the bubbles in the soap.

LMAO Jaba! Goot one! Hee hee hee!

lol ok I have to get off here and get some things done around here. Great convo’s great thoughts too. Catch you all later

CJ I still wonder where this money that Tommy is allegedly coming into might be coming from?

I dont think she will do anything except divorce him and change the kids names, she may move if her grandpa has other property in another state or further away in Fla.. I think she wants out of the mess. jmo

tobias, MH was not in TC’s name, Lindsy’s and her grandpa’s name.

tobias said,in June 4th, 2010 at 12:01 pm I dont think she will do anything except divorce him and change the kids names, she may move if her grandpa has other property in another state or further away in Fla.. I think she wants out of the mess. jmo
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during the three way call she mumbled one word answers and practically neutered him..she is mean.

I am working today in my garden, just got to take a break and scan some of the posts but I have a couple of comments I would like to make as food for thought.
#1 I agree that we should step up and try to make life better for our kids then we had. But NONE of us know where someone else has come from. I have friends that on 1st meeting them you might think they are weak. However if you knew where they came from you might find out that they are some of the strongest people you will ever meet and survived more then you can even comprehend. We don’t know Hank’s upbringing. With all of his mistakes he may very well have improved his life from where he came from. I give him credit for trying.
#2 Misty looks to me like she is on steroids, if so, she will pull some of that weight as soon as she gets off them. She is possibly a comfort eater, too. Combine those possibilities with not smoking and boredom and that can account for a lot of pounds. But she doesn’t look like that weight is all fat, she looks puffy, like water retention, also. There are a number of medications that can cause that.

CathyJo, I resent the article you wanted. I cannot stay on right now. I have company. Hello everyone. Hope too see you all later.

Vaquera what did TJ and Cobra confirm exactly?

robin, he77 do a drug sting on them, they found drugs on the property during the search and none of them were arrested. You can bet your bottom dollar if they had found drugs on AS’s property during a search that arrests would have been made.

Tuff Stuff said,
in June 4th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

Vaquera what did TJ and Cobra confirm exactly?
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That Chad helped hide one of Roxie’s kids for over a year.I heard the case was still open and I believe it all happened in GA

I’ll have to look again but I read that the Mother was the one who hid the Child. Chad now has custody also correct?
I’ll have to glance around for that information again.

bbl

a RSO Female Griffis?
Wonder if she’s related to chad?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=3289

Tobias–I read your theory and it is a very good scenario that explains a lot of the odd and erratic behavior by Ron and Misty, as well as some of their suspicious statements made during the investigation. You have a good strong theory. JMO

There wasn’t anyone from LE at the sheff search from what I read.

2002-12-12 1 WILDLIFE CITATION #036954C CRAIG MCGUIRE

2002-12-12 1 ATTEMPTING TO TAKE DEER BY GUN AND LIGHT AT NIGHT

2002-12-12 1 HUNTING FROM RIGHT OF WAY

2002-12-30 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (1-23-2003)

2003-01-23 3 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES IN COURT WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL

2003-01-23 3 ARR ENT PLEA OF GUILTY TO CT I – ATT TO TAKE DEER AT

2003-01-23 3 NIGHT WITH GUN AND LIGHT & CT II – HUNTING FROM RIGHT

2003-01-23 3 OF ROADWAY – DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACC – ADJUDGED GUILTY

Ron was taking deer at night this is the docket. jmo

yes it was jaba, also strange the LE search of the hay farm netted drugs and yet no arrests were made.

The custody docs are in Baker County.
The divorce was in 2006. Final dissolution of marriage 12/21/06

Chad’s ex wife had a Restraining order for two years on Chad. (He was not allowed to see his kids during that time). That was dropped on 12/5/08 after slightly more than 2 years. (10/5/06 – 12/5/08)

The last entries on the family docket are as follows:

12/09/2008 .ANSWER TO PETITION FOR MODIFICATION
11/26/2008 .CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION
11/20/2008 .MOTION TO ABATE PETITION TO MODIFY
11/17/2008 .SUMMONS RETURNED SERVED
11/10/2008 .NOTICE OF LIMITATION OF SERVICES PROVIDED
11/10/2008 .CIVIL COVER SHEET
11/10/2008 .PETITION TO MODIFY CUSTODY
11/10/2008 .UCCJ
11/10/2008 .FAMILY LAW AFFIDAVIT AND NOTICE OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
11/10/2008 .FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT OF XXXXXX (Chad’s ex-wife)
11/10/2008 .SUMMONS ISSUED
12/21/2006 .FINAL JUDGEMENT OF DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE

There is a Petition to Modify Custody filed on 11/10/08. At that time, the RO was still on Chad. Perhaps he filed the Petition asking that he be allowed visitations. There is nothing in the dockets showing that his ex-wife ever lost custody of the children or “turned over custody” to Chad.

Do you guys know if he did have custody?????
If not then maybe he don’t?

from the bar docs, it is from a personal email sent to Marie and Crystal from Kim.

From: Kim Picazio [mailto:kim@picaziolaw.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 200910:07AM
To: ‘Marie’; Marie Griffis; Crystal Sheffield
Subject: To Do List
REMINDERS:

(7) Everyone should be instructed not to answer any questions about the crack pipe issue, or who
the truck is owned by. No comment is the word on this. Marie: you need to be very careful of what
Diane knows about this issue. If she reports that the truck was Chad’s, and that they were his old
pipes, that would be extremely bad. DCF would most likely get involved, and Chad could get
arrested. Every “Ron”fan on the internet would call the authorities and demand action against
Chad and Crystal.

The article states it was registered to J. Watkins. IMO, that does not mean it was not Chad’s truck. Maybe Mr. Watkins signed for him to get the truck.

Right Tobiaa,this one states it was in another name tho Chad owned it,but thats silly b/c the title holder is the owner??

Chad’s brother borrowed a truck and never returned it to the owner. When the owner recovered the truck he found drugs in it. He notified LE who confiscated the drugs. No arrest was made at that time, not sure if an arrest was ever made but doubtful. I am sure those weren’t Chad’s brothers drugs either.

Chad was arrested for possession of cocaine in 2006!

why did mg and kp send emails??
worried about something!

Diane was a very good friend to Crystal who lives in the area. I seriously doubt she would forge an email. She is a business woman and from my understanding very reputable. Much more so then Chad, Crystal, or Marie.

KP knew the truth, LE knew the truth, nothing was done.

I wonder what Mr Watkins thought after chad hid his stash on his property before they volunteered for the search,roflmao! omggg

OMG Tobias,I thought predators,dealers,addicts,thieves were spread out everywhere,apparently i thought wrong,most of em are sheff’s, griffis,croslins,cummings,!!!!!!!!!!

I bet ole Mr.Watkins is still dazes! rofl

WhyLie said,
in June 4th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

Diane was a very good friend to Crystal who lives in the area. I seriously doubt she would forge an email. She is a business woman and from my understanding very reputable. Much more so then Chad, Crystal, or Marie.

KP knew the truth, LE knew the truth, nothing was done.
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Exactly, but Marie has bragged they “know” people in Baker County.

You want to see somebody scary? Look up Marie’s brother on the FDLE prison inmate site, the brother with WHITE PRIDE tattooed on his chest. Check out his crimes. Now he is scary.

I STOLE THIS POST,LOL

Within the first 48 hours of Haleighs disappearance hitting all the major news networks, Crystal, Chad’s and Misty’s myspace acct’s were located by websleuthers. We were watching in real time Chad’s on line activities unfold revealing where and what his mindset was as he played around with on line games and was sending crystal cheerful messages and on line gifts that was very un-settling to say the least with the circumstances at hand. I could feel the glee almost across the screen from him. If I’m not mistaken, only after so many days after Haleigh disappeared, the publics complaints of his behavior, was the acct. made private. In other words, I saw it with my own eyes.

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Where is that cathy? I never heard any of that? Are you sure its from a good source? There was alot of misinformation in the beginning so dont take everything as fact. Rumors were the norm early on, it was a mess from what many have said. When I first came on some said to be careful what you read because of that. It was a mess. jmo

M2C, Could really be useful now since she was here from the beginning and knows most of the mess that happened. jmo

IMO Don’t hit me Tobias,lol it seems legit but no I do not know that for certain,so i shoulda kept quiet or added a warning to the one post,but the others i had links to verify??

I am sure there are screen shots of Chads myspace from those first few days either on SM or WS. I know there are some of Crystal’s myspace, before they were made private and then changed.

whereever it was posted ppl were outraged i know,lol

Sorry its just that so many have gone over a lot of misinformation, the pirate and papa crap you name it , I prefer not to go where the mess of it is. M2c always stuck to facts even if we didnt agree most of the time she could tell ya it was a mess early on with rumors stated as fact. jmo bbl

WhyLie said,
in June 4th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

You want to see somebody scary? Look up Marie’s brother on the FDLE prison inmate site, the brother with WHITE PRIDE tattooed on his chest. Check out his crimes. Now he is scary.
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Wow, no doubt. Scary skinhead/Aryan Nation/Neo Nazi looking guy.

yeah vaquera, how would you like to have him as a neighbor? LOL

i just dont get why when Misty was apparently telliing them she knew nothing,why Chad and that side weren’t looked at closer??????

CathyJo63 said,
in June 4th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

From the first moments we have Haleigh missing, Chad was on line buying some kind of pet gifts for Crystal in the following critical hours. It was some sort of Myspace pets thing he was doing. Very strange and his mood was ecstatic or , that day after she was missing.
I can’t think of many occasions you would need the support of the person you love most, (your fiancee, husband, significant other) any more than if your child had been abducted. Chad had to watch his kids is why he didn’t go??????
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Chad didn’t have his kids then, Roxie did so that’s no excuse. He had been out all night till 5 AM as you know. I don’t think Chad showed up in Baker county till Crystal came back. she left, on the 11th to go back home for a few days and that’s when he finally went to Satsuma.

True, she was on trying to get people to tell her things on line and some just started making things up is what I heard. I prefer to do my own research that way I know what is true, videos (persons own words) dockets, news articles( from news papers and rep. news newsjax4 etc.) documents etc. jmo

right Vaq,and even if he had his kids,my goodness,whats he do?? keep em in a room 24×7!
Take them with ya,I did no matter where i went,lol

exactly CJ, they were engaged to be married, her child vanishes and he does not go with her to help find her. Makes no sense to me at all.

tobias said,in June 4th, 2010 at 1:31 pm WS is where some of the rumors got started and scared M. too. At one time there even were sites called mud rooms where people could go just to fight. It was a mess. jmo

omg are you serious??

Absolutely.

OFF TOPIC: Did some research on prisons in Peru. OMG! Joran is in for a SHOCK! RATS and LOTS of them! LOL In 1992 Peru spent $0.10 per prisoner per day for food….one meal a day! LMAO In 1995 it was increased to $0.55. They have MASSIVE riots….in the 80′s some 300 prisoners were killed during one riot. Riots are VERY common. The largest prison has a capacity of 2000 prisoners but had over 7000 prisoners some time back. They are stacked on top of one another. All the prisons are OLD, crowded, NASTY, filthy, stinky, dangerous and just PERFECT for Joran! AHAHAHAHAHAHA AND, it often takes up to 5 YEARS for a verdict to be handed down! ROFLMAO They ROT in prison until then! OMG! Joran picked the WRONG country to kill in this time!

Okay, sorry for the interruption and off topic post. Just had to share!

JB, Bet they dont even get canteen call the governor lol jmo

Just as it is said that there is a bit of truth in every lie I believe that Joran has already given the information wear Natalie’s body was placed. jmvho
Hopefully we will find out soon. Maybe the LE there will work some sort of deal like they did with the guy in Southern California here recently?
Hope so.

Misty in court Yesterday – she looks a little chubby may be the pic

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-06-04/misty-croslin-gets-deal-deadline

I would think that the gov. there would be interested in offering a deal that would lead to the recovery of Natalie H’s body. Natalie’s disappearance and the consistant derailing that Joran created in that case has been as a huge black eye for the entire country and now with this new female found murdered it must feel like a hit to the gut.
I am hoping for a deal to be made.

I wonder if this girl knew who he was? What a POS nut job, how could his parents not know what he was? jmo

Tobias – I can’t believe this girl didn’t know who he was but I guess it is a possibility. If she KNEW about his “past” and still went to the hotel with him willingly, it was a fatal mistake on her part. Good grief, he broke her neck! How angry does a person have to be to break someone’s neck for Pete’s sake! I have to wonder if these are the only two people Joran has killed in his young life. The boy is not right in the head!

Tobias @1:36

That’s why I pay attention to every post you add.

My favorite quote from the Natalee Case:

“Paul van der Sloot, Joran’s father, was arrested in connection with the investigation on June 23, 2005, and held for three days before being released. The elder van der Sloot, a judge in training, allegedly advised his son that “when there is no body, you don’t have a case,” according to Aruba’s attorney general.”

So what does that say about Joran and his father? And WHY couldn’t Aruba make a case against Joran!?

The only reason I bring it up is it plays into her state of mind, it seems she points at alot of people messing with her. Its like she uses it as a defense mechinism(spell) when all else fails I was abused, have sympathy. She did it on the LDT and brought up her age and how horrible her childhood was. Someone needs to tell her its about Haleigh not her.jmo

vaquera said,in June 4th, 2010 at 1:36 pm texasmommy39 said,
in June 4th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

I just have a moment and then I need to get back to my garden as well. I was there in the begining as a member of WS and yes Chad was a busy boy that night. WS has alot of great information that was not tainted in the first few weeks
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the only rumors were posted in the rumor threads which didn’t start until March. Anything posted in Haleigh’s forum had to be backed up with links or whatever. people should go back to the beginning of Haleigh’s forum and read the 20 something threads from the beginning..
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Vaq, you and I know to back up ment to post a link to information reported by media and IMO it was not entirely based on true facts, just speculation and hearsay.

tobias said,in June 4th, 2010 at 2:32 pm The only reason I bring it up is it plays into her state of mind, it seems she points at alot of people messing with her. Its like she uses it as a defense mechinism(spell) when all else fails I was abused, have sympathy. She did it on the LDT and brought up her age and how horrible her childhood was. Someone needs to tell her its about Haleigh not her.jmo
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In my opinion CS did the same thing in playing the victim with her lies, while her daughter was missing. Someone needed to tell the Sheffields it is HaLeigh that is the victim not Crystal.

BRB

Vaquera- Ron also had that several years ago & the hit & run as a minor. I still don’t know what the taking of a deer at night means!
Are they trying to steal a deer at night or trying to kill one?

WhyLie–Amen to that. The media gives us what LE deems newsworthy. Some of the facts of the case was misreported early on as we discussed last night. Greenwood got some of the facts early on wrong. If simple facts cannot be deemed credible (and LE released wrong info to the press), no wonder this case is a mess. I have faith that LE can solve this case and have the resources to do just that. I would just like some unbiased investigating as well as unbiased reporting. JMO

Enhanced 911 transcript (Where there are / between statements it used used to reflect that there are conflicts at to what is actually being said.

OPERATOR: 911, What’s your emergency?

MISTY CROSLIN (BABYSITTER/GIRLFRIEND OF HALEIGH’S FATHER RONALD CUMMINGS): I just woke up and our back door was all open, and I can’t find our daughter.

OPERATOR: Can’t find what?

CROSLIN: Our daughter.

OPERATOR: OK, what’s your address?

CROSLIN: Green Lane (INAUDIBLE)

OPERATOR: What’s the numerical?

CROSLIN: The miracle. What’s that?

OPERATOR: The number. (DELETED) Green Lane?

CROSLIN: Yes.

OPERATOR: OK, when did you last see her?

CROSLIN: Umm…we were just, like, you know, it was about 10 o’clock. We were, she was sleeping, I, we was cleaning.

OPERATOR: OK. How old is your daughter?

CROSLIN: She’s 5.

CROSLIN: Oh..

OPERATOR: OK. What was she last seen wearing?

CUMMINGS: How/Why the f— you let my daughter get stole in the middle of the night for?

OPERATOR: Ma’am?

CROSLIN: She was in her pajamas. We were sleeping.

OPERATOR: OK. All right. You said your back door was wide open?

CROSLIN: Yes, with a brick. Like, with a brick on the door. Like, when I went to sleep, it was not like that.

OPERATOR: OK. The back door…

Croslin: It’s locked.

OPERATOR: Listen to me. Your back door was wide open? What are you talking about a brick?

CROSLIN: Yes

OPERATOR: What, what is the brick?

CROSLIN: It’s on the back door, on the , on the stairs. Like, we have a walkway.

OPERATOR: And there was a brick laying there?

CROSLIN: Yes. It’s still there.

CUMMINGS: Tell them they better come on now!

CROSLIN: They are.

OPERATOR: We’ve got them coming. Tell him we’ve got them coming.

CROSLIN: They’re coming.

OPERATOR: OK, what’s the color of your house? Ma’am?

CROSLIN: It’s blue.

OPERATOR: It’s blue. OK.

CUMMINGS: I knew better than to mess with a f—ing junkie/ stupid fucking junkie, she might be dead/ if she’s with that fucking junkie, she might be dead

OPERATOR: Ok. What, what does she look like? How tall is she? Give me some description of her.

CROSLIN: She has, like, like, long hair, curly, like curls.

OPERATOR: Long curled. What color?

CROSLIN: She’s white.

OPERATOR: OK, what color hair?

CROSLIN: And she’s got brown hair.

OPERATOR: Brown hair?

CROSLIN: Yes, Oh my God…(INAUDIBLE)

OPERATOR: Ok, how tall is she, about? Or how much does she weigh? Do you know that?

CROSLIN: Huh?

OPERATOR: About how tall or how much does she weigh?

CROSLIN: Like, four something. Like, I don’t know. Like, she’s not that tall.

CUMMINGS: I don’t know how tall she…

OPERATOR: Tell your husband we got them coming. OK?

CROSLIN: OK.

OPERATOR: How much does she weight? Do you know?

CROSLIN: Huh?

OPERATOR: How much does she weigh?

CROSLIN: Like, 40, 50 pounds, 60 pounds.

OPERATOR: Forty to sixty pounds?

CROSLIN: Yeah.

OPERATOR: OK, Let me get your name and phone number.

CROSLIN: My name is…

OPERATOR: Spell your last name.

CROSLIN: Stop.

CUMMINGS: (unknown) …the phone.

CROSLIN: Ouch…you’re hurting me, I just woke up.

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE) I heard him say something about “all your fault”

OPERATOR: Ok. Was your back door locked, do you know?

CROSLIN: Yes. The back door always stays locked.

CUMMINGS: Man I need somebody to get here now!

CROSLIN: She’s coming.

OPERATOR: OK, let me speak to him.

CROSLIN: Here, here….here, here, here.

CUMMINGS: I just got home from work. My 5 year old daughter is gone.

OPERATOR: OK.

CUMMINGS: I need somebody to be here now! I’m telling you…

OPERATOR: Listen to me. Listen to me. We’ve got two officers…

CUMMINGS: If I find whoever has my daughter before ya’ll do, I’m killing him. I don’t care.

OPERATOR: OK. OK.

CUMMINGS: I’ll spend the rest of my life in prison. I’m telling you. You can put it on recording, I don’t care.

OPERATOR: OK. It’s OK sir. We’ve got them on the way. Ok, can you give me any, what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?

CUMMINGS: I don’t f—ing know! I was at work!

OPERATOR: OK sir, we’ve go them coming, OK?

SOMEONE HANGS UP THE PHONE ON THE 911 OPERATOR

Phone ringing

CUMMINGS: Hello.

OPERATOR: OK, sir, let me talk to your wife. Let me get some information from her.

CUMMINGS: (unknown)

OPERATOR: OK, can I talk to her?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)… How the f— can you let my daughter get stole b—-?

CROSLIN: Hello.

OPERATOR: Ma’am?

CROSLIN: Yeah.

OPERATOR: Ok. Listen to me. I need you to answer some questions. Does the door look like it was pried open?

CROSLIN: Ummm….Did you lock that door?

OPERATOR: Does it look like it, does it look like you had sort of someone try to enter into your house?

CROSLIN: Ummm…hold on.

OPERATOR: And another thing. Make sure you and your husband don’t touch the door anymore.

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)…They can’t call my phone, I don’t know where it’s at. I heard: The mother fucker’s not even locked! Nothing about his phone.

OPERATOR: Don’t mess with the door or anything.

CROSLIN: No. It doesn’t .

CUMMINGS: The mother f—er’s open.

OPERATOR: It doesn’t look like it is?

CROSLIN: No.

OPERATOR: Ok, now listen, tell your husband to not touch anything.

CUMMINGS: The mother f—er’s not even locked! Locked is sideways!

OPERATOR: Make sure because we’re going to try and get a K-9 out there, OK?

CUMMINGS: Somebody had a f—ing key. ( I missed this one)

CROSLIN: Ok. She says don’t touch anything because they’re bringing a K-9 out here.

CUMMINGS: They better mother f—ing bring something cause if I find that mother f—er (Virgianian?) before them I don’t give a f— about prison, prison don’t scare me.

OPERATOR: OK. OK. We understand, we got them on the way. What’s her name, how do you spell her first name. What, what’s her middle name?

CROSLIN: Yeah.

OPERATOR: And the spelling of the last name?

CROSLIN: Umm…well that’s my last name, not hers but Haleigh’s…

CUMMINGS: (In background) I can’t seem to find my fucking phone!”

CROSLIN: I, uh, What did you do with it?

OPERATOR: What’s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: People need to quit/I’m sick of people playing f—ing playing games. I’m gonna f—ing kill somebody.

OPERATOR: OK. Well tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.

CROSLIN: What’s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: Her f—ing date of birth is we need to find her, f— her date of birth.

OPERATOR: OK. Listen to me. I’m getting this information. I’m not the officer driving out there, OK?

CROSLIN: OK

OPERATOR: They’re coming out there to handle that situation. I need to gather all the information from you over the phone.

CROSLIN: OK.

OPERATOR: It has nothing to do with me driving out there. The officers are taking care of that OK? They’re coming out there OK?

CROSLIN: OK

OPERATOR: OK, I’m going to stay on the phone with you, OK? During this statement a female voice is heard to ask Ronald a question. Unable to determine what question was.

CROSLIN: OK

OPERATOR: Until they get there all right? Hang on.

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)…I cannot f—ing believe this/Ain’t no fuckers been here buying dope!/It’s been over 5 minutes…Let’s go!

OPERATOR: Tell him we got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can’t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. OK?

Cummings: Hands out/Hang up! Fuck the police! Mysterious beeping. Pipes statement…

CROSLIN: OK.

OPERATOR: Tell him we got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out ther and do what they can. We can’t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there. OK?

Unknown Female: Haleigh’s missing and it’s just not right!

CUMMINGS: Give me my f—ing phone! I got better people to talk to than a f—ing mother f—er that ain’t coming!

If you notcie any discrepancies or missed items, just give a shout!

Alexandria Loring said,in June 4th, 2010 at 3:06 pm Vaquera- Ron also had that several years ago & the hit & run as a minor. I still don’t know what the taking of a deer at night means!
Are they trying to steal a deer at night or trying to kill one?
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It means they are trying to shoot one by illegally shining a light to find them in the dark. It is illegal to hunt after sunset

Thank you hollysgmom.

Wonder who the F en junkie is that he messed with. It must be a man cause he says him not her that he is gonna kill. Wonder what Ron did to the junkie? THat would cause him to take Haleigh? jmo

WhyLie–I understand what you are saying about LE but I have to cling to the faith that they can muddle through this quagmire of a mess to find the true answers of what happened to Haleigh. If I don’t have that faith then I lose hope that Haleigh will ever be found. The inaccurate statements made by LE early on are inexcusable. Hopefully they rectified these mistakes and can get this investigation back on track. But everyday with no sign of Haleigh hope does dwindle. JMO

And the reason for all the garbage he sputtered in the 911 call!

J F Dunlap believes he said
“I should have known better then get involved with a F..in junkie”

I didn’t hear all of that, but it’s open for debate.

Several people have said they think the unknown female voice at end of call is Crystal Cummings. What’s your thoughts?

Its also how he’s gonna plea for 15 yrs!!

Hope, that drowl voice is what i hear jmo

Not JUST to make it easier,you forget he’s a controll freak,macho wanna be the best parent guy?How else can all this be explained,rons behavior,mistys,Tn’s!!!
he was scared to lose custody?
obsessed with Misty??? He told her babysitting would get easier,he didn’t want his kids TAKEN ,just like he told Cobra,he’d have custody till the day he died or else? why has he defended Misty this entire time,why did he not take Mistys calls and she opens the door and hes there,who would have a key,red truck at rr trax! who’d know Misty probably would not wake up?
who knew they were all in the same room??
why ranting on the 911?
he couldn’t even give the info to help find Haleigh!
he was too irate!!!!!

That I am not sure of,we can figure that out once we know whos guilty,watch his interviews,ron will not lose,he smirks constantly when his dtr needs him,he never once went out that back door,who’d be brave enought to turn a kitchen light on?

why would he tell misty a black man approached him and could get Haleigh back?
he was screaming,ill kill him,wellllll a good place to have started woulda been to take that gun out that back door?

I see your thoughts on this like with Jordan, he wants nothing to do with that baby not because its not his but because he is damaged. Ron stayed with Amber until the baby was born and even a little while after, then he kicked her to the curb. Claims the baby isnt his, why wouldnt he know that before the baby was born? jmo

well Holly,I’ll tell ya,she aint alive?

I just don’t see Ron and his family getting rid of his child that he has raised for 4 years to please some girl he only knew 4 months. Not enough motive there for me.

tobias are you so sure Ron kicked Amber to the curb and claimed the child was not his and it is not the other way around? Maybe it was Amber that claimed the child is not Ron’s. Maybe that is why nobody

dang it

Maybe that is why nobody, including the state has not gone after Ron for any type of support for Ambers baby.

Ok…I was thinking more along the lines of what we were discussing in emails the other day. I thought we were thinking still alive just living elsewhere. I agree she is most likely deceased at this point.

Ron’s werk alibi is getting weaker and weaker daily….

We have pinpointed the 1 cell tower that caught him coming and going from work that night per news articles. It is on Reid Rd in Palatka. Pinged once on his way in and once on his way out. There are few towers in the area and none at all in Satsuma. It will be difficult to track by pings due to the cell tower issues but we are working on it for future doc dumps.

No,that wasnt a solid theory Holly,s.I had like 5 a day,lol but this will be mine till the day i am dust!

plenty motive once you figure ron out!

ty Holly’s,Someone who lost their chilld would never ever ever act the way ron has????

right Hollys!
theres something they’re not saying,and thats why Misty is the key??
How can they connect ron until she tells what really happened?? that night?

she’d have to say,well uh it was a drug dealer and they’ll kill ronald…..ya knowwwwwwwww
I think we all know who Mistys been protecting!

Not even old married couples, most people who lose kids even through accident, divorce, they just cant face the one who was there. jmo

Lady,read all the transcripts,watch his videos,wont even look at the cam to pleas for Haleigh,its always a smirk!
His mugshot?? looked like he’d just hit the lottery!

exactly right Tobias!!!!!!!!!!
They blame one another and ron knew misty had Haleigh and not 1 question??
defended her up and down,any sane person would not tell her to look at the camera!
I’d wait for her to screw up!!!!!!

Karri said,in June 4th, 2010 at 4:15 pm CathyJo63 said,in June 4th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
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So Ron left work early, took black clothes with him, changed into these black clothes, came into his own home, and took his daughter and disposed of her, (for what reason?, to make babysitting easier?)Then changed back into his work clothes, and went back to work to get off at his reg time clock out, and be taped at the store buying beer, and cigs close to work and came home like nothing ever happened. What was his motive in disposing of his child? Of kidnapping her and killing her? This makes no sense to me IMOVHO. Maybe I missed something in that article, but it seems pretty far fetched to me. like I said MOO.
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not to be rude but imvho its the only one that does?

Like Tobias said,Whats the difference in one child and another?

I just don’t want to believe that the person HaLeigh loved most would do her harm.

I agree that Ronald hasn’t acted like I would think he should and he never seemed to get crying down to a fine art so I think he knows what happened to her and is lying to cover his butt about his drug dealing.

If Misty is not involved in harming HaLeigh, I pray that she tells all she knows to get herself another chance at life.

She was being conrolled by Ronald and she may have bragged to him that someone was calling her about drugs to impress him. He may have encouraged her along thinking he was too smart to get caught. She is so young and not too smart nor educated. She did buy/sell drugs but I feel like she could be rehabilitated. I hope she learns to stand up for herself and realizes that she can just say no. No to drugs and to men.

((((((((((Tobias)))))))))

I am so sorry Tobias!!!

And so you know how that feels?
I’ll bet you never once acted likke RC!

Karon;

Tommy is NOT testifying against anyone. His attorney also says NO DEALS. His motion to participate in discovery is standard procedure in the trial process. It is when tommy & his attorney ask the prosecution for copies of the evidence they have against him. At that time they both decided, based on what LE has, to plead No Contest. I researched it this morning and provided links at RadioNewz.

Lady,I know you don’t,I didn’t either,but what about Caylee?

I mean not out living them sorry I couldnt handle losing one of them. If I did they may as well bury me too. jmo

Ron tore her nerves up that night!
Thats why she was just terrified!

I know, I think often about Caylee and I realize it happens all of the time. It just breaks my heart to think how a little one must suffer when they are being hurt by someone they love. I pray that they are too young to know what is happening.

It’s most likely highly far fetched but could motive also include others and politics? Hmm…

Lady,it took me a yr i think to even look at Ron in that way! and today,here we are discussing what we all feared the most,Not for Ron……..But for Haleighs sake,but if he did this he deserves to never see the light of day again!We all want to know,we all need to know and I am not being selfish but imo.I think we deserve to know the truth!
If everybody had given what all of us here have,can you imagine??

The more I think about it, the more I think Ronald did something to HaLeigh to cause her death and Misty was left to clean up. Ronald probably told her she was just as guilty as he is and she believes him.

Tuff,I gotta tell ya,I still worry about that le at tommys!still don’t know the truth on that!

Think about this…If they were ever really afraid of someone or some unkonwn person/group…

WOuld Ronald be chasing down cars he thinks are following him, even if he gets shot as told to Cobra

ALso same type reaction that took place during RRII. He was demanding “satisfaction” for CJ jr’s infraction. He likely also knew that Cj carried a gun. Did Ron act afraid with children in the car? No…he persued and provoked.

Just these two incidents alone….does it sound like he was ever afraid? or anyone but LE?

Lady,I am just going by the 911 call,and the comments to Hank?? I really don’t think Misty knows!I think Ron did it,maybe his precence woke her,ya know because she is so confused on that 911 and her calls??
and I swear i think he brainwashed her and made her afraid they’d kill all of em!
She even told Hank.”I don’t know if that was Jo”that night!

to my understanding Yes it is Tuff,if OJ was here he’d crawl out to verify!

Becky- Thank you! Both JS & RC should be taking at night!

Possible that some folks weren’t to happy that a certain person and his style of bidness wasn’t to welcome to their style of party?
hmm…

I know for me,I’ve had tons of theories but thats why they changed,I just know it won’t this time for me i mean!

There’s def alot more going on then we had been aware of….

yes there is Holly’s but i think i do know who TMIBW!Ya know!jmo

There are some very interesting posts on Topix about both John MErchant & Chris Middleton (formerly a PCSD officer now works for SA office as an investigator. I’ll try to post the link I have.

THey are from locals who claim both are “dirty” cops and might have helped Ron early on…

my question is how’d he ever trust ron,lol

Thats what i have heard Tobias,so you’re saying he’s ok???

Just wondering but does anyone know who Jeff Hardy ran against?

did you all see this- joe overstreets uncle? lived close to haleigh- sex offender- caughter this yr.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=28877

From what I researched way back the guy has been at it for quite some time, He is no rookie. jmo

Orlando trailor dont know if its spelled right or not. I also had a question about this guy cause Snodgrass said he talked to Orlando about getting the office furniture and then AH and Jerimiah tlked to him. Someone kept saying he was talking about some news guy from Orlando but I think he knew Orlando. jmo

well within a yr maybe,i dunno when he got in!

Hey like they say ya can pick your friends but your stuck with relatives like em or not. jmo

ron: i think that might have been chris middleton, i dont` know

cobra: see, i dont know any of these motherf****. I called 87 times to
talk to the muthaf***** po-lice, you know how many times they talk to me?

ron: none?

cobra: zun! zun! none!!!!

ron: i can call and get merchant on the phone for you right now.

cobra: but i don`t know him, man… cuz all of a sudden they have merchant`s
name mixed up with you, if you all was boys… that wont do me no good… if
i`m tryin to find a child and somebody out here playin… ya know?
what you thinking man?

Middleton keeps popping up a lot. Ron has a docket with a middleton on it. Crystal was rumored to be with a middleton and Haleigh might have been his, now there is a cop Middleton. I am going to go look at that docket again bbl jmo

cobra: well, i heard you had a 75 percent. er uhhh i talked to my momma.

ron: if i had 75 percent, dude… i`d burn the other 25 percent, and i`d burn
whoever it is and sit in prison thinking i was 75% sure i got that person
that had my daughter.

cobra: i talked to misty`s mom… junior… junior a cool dude, man.
they all battin`… they all battin` for this family`s side. me? i
aint take no sides, man. my side is Haliegh… and anybody gets in
my muthaf**** way… that`s my game. that`s all!

ron: december of 05 when i finally went to court… um, the 4100 dollars
in support that her lawyer (unintelligible) maybe i should get her the
paperwork that`s left in my f**** visor because she`s 11,400 behind.

cobra: no f***** way!

ron: yeah, now me or you? (unintelligible)

cobra: you going to jail! (laugh) i just tell em to go f off. i got
child support like a muthaf*****.

ron: we go to jail, bro! we go to jail.

cobra: oh, yeah

ron: you know what`s crazy, though?

CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2001-10-26 1 COMPLAINT ROBERT PAUL MIDDLETON ASSAULT

2001-11-20 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

wONDER IF HE IS ANY RELATION TO cHRIS mIDDLETON?

ron: orlando, orlando, hey… let me tell ya, orlando is far from being
a drug dealer but if you will look into as deep as you can… somewhere
here in putnam county… there is an orlando… i`m not sure if his name
is trailor also?

cobra: f***, you the man, I mean damn, reach out.

ron: listen listen… orlando, there is also another orlando.

cobra: i know

ron: his social security number is only a couple of numbers off from
Orlando my friend`s… and he does have a battery on a (unintellgible) and
he is a big drug dealer… and they`re accusing my best friend as him.

same guy Tobias?

ROn had an infraction for Assault against Chris Middleton 9 yrs ago.

RObbie Middleton is his brother

One of the Middleton’s are rumored to have been CS ex-boyfriend and/or Haleigh’s “real” bio-dad. (I don’t believe anyone but ROn really was. Too much medical history for it to be a mystery, IMO)

CHris Middleton & John Merchant both worked Haleigh case early on but were taken off the case. Rumor says they were reprimanded for something but then there are links where both are recommended to Officer of the Year last year. Ron did talk about J Merchant as if close friends and he thought Middleton might have been the guy who had drugs at work.

I researched some time ago about PCSD and found that there were three officers involved in an illegal steriod use case. 1 officer was demoted, 1 reprimanded, and 1 was fired IIRC…I’ll try to find that info too.

remember ron told Cobra about Lake Placid?? hmmmm
and how cold ron said that!

CORRECTION:

Chris is a brother to Robbie. Robbie is who Crystal was said to be involved with and he filed an assault charge against Ron.

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2001-10-26 1 COMPLAINT ROBERT PAUL MIDDLETON ASSAULT
2001-11-20 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

Link to Topixs forum posts= mudslinging

http://www.topix.com/forum/county/putnam-fl/T1ABDB4JD48V6D7MH

CHris Middleton & John Merchant both worked Haleigh case early on but were taken off the case. Rumor says they were reprimanded for something but then there are links where both are recommended to Officer of the Year last year. Ron did talk about J Merchant as if close friends and he thought Middleton might have been the guy who had drugs at work.

hmmmmmmm

I am not sure but I think I remember that they said they found drugs in his car that was unlocked so it was probably a set up. What cop would leave drugs in his car in a parking lot if he was dirty? jmo

CathyJo63 said,in June 4th, 2010 at 6:02 pm His most serious arrests started after high school.

In October 2001 he was arrested after a Crescent City man said he was threatened at a stoplight and told he would be killed.

He was charged with drug possession in 2002 and 2004, both times after drugs were found with him in cars.

Charges were never prosecuted, according to court records.
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Charges were never prosecuted.

I wonder if it is true that Ron possibly rolled on someone else to alleviate himself of those problematic charges then who was rolled on and for what exactly?

CathyJo- soundslike Ron had a time period for getting Haleigh back, isn’t that what Casey claimed in her case?

ron: ok, cuz that`s the same jr. hank jr. tommy… and joe were fishin` with austin, tommy`s son… at that dock… it got dark… that dock got swamped with alligators… he told me, he said holy f**** s*** i had to get my son out of there i thought lake placid was fixin` to go on!

cobra: yep

ron: you know what?

cobra: yep?

ron: joe said the corridor would be the perfect f****ing place to kill somebody…

cobra: bam

ron: dump them right in the water… let the alligators take care of the rest.

cobra: bam!

ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.
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Hate to say it guys,i do but look,Rons capable of anything,imho

tobias said,in June 4th, 2010 at 6:12 pm I am not sure but I think I remember that they said they found drugs in his car that was unlocked so it was probably a set up. What cop would leave drugs in his car in a parking lot if he was dirty? jmo
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If it’s true, maybe it was someone who was very comfortable with his position? A person who had developed a false sense of security?

Has anyone checked other peoples charges around this time frame to see if Ron rolled on one of them like JS or a middleton or someone Ron disliked? CJones? Wished we had an enemy list for Ron. jmo

Heyits,I am thinking maybe Misty told her family????? and it got out,not clear on that!!!!!

I found my PCSD research…

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=120531&catid=3

41-year-old Detective William Prioletti
Officers, Lt. Teresa Odom, 54, and Detective Elton Miller, 37.

I’m not sure but I think that Teresa Odom may have been Teresa Rose (Officer Rose) or is now officer Rose. I could be wrong though. THinking she may have gotten married or divorced.

Do any of you guys know if this is true? just curious!!!!!!
Its from examiner.. com!
We know that Ronald took Misty out to eat, to the race tracks and took her out on the town all the while searchers were frantically searching for his daughter. We know that when it came time for Ronald to pay he would tell the waiter “Don’t you know who I am.”

Now guy’s,how weird is this,to be mentioned now?
Ronald told the interview that he was tired of the media and that he “couldn’t do what he wanted to do.” What do you need to do? What is more important than finding your daughter, you idiotic dirt bag?

He complains about the camera in his face. MOST FAMILY MEMBERS OF MURDERED/MISSING CHILDREN would die for the media attention, not complain.

Ronald also bragged inside the tattoo shop about the money he was making.

How much more clear does it have to get? Ronald cared more about Misty, money, and “doing what he wanted to do.” Than he did his missing child.

Also instead of searching for his daughter, contining to try to keep her name out there like the parents of ther missing/murdered children such as Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway, and Mark Lunsford. Ronald Cummings decided to hook back up with Misty, and traffick drugs with her. I hate to even compare Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway and Mark Lunsford to a dirt bag, drug dealer like Ronald Cummings. They have been amazing advocates for their children, unlike Ronald Cummings.

While in jail on drug charges we learn that Ronald makes a friend. A woman by the name of Alecia Dunbar (hat tip to the posters on the Scared Monkeys forum especially BeatnicHippie who outted Alecia Dunbar.) Dunbar also has a weird fascination with Joran Vandersloot in the Natalee Holloway case.

From what alot of different people have said its all true. TJ, AH, Cobra and others. jmo

CathyJo: I’m so with you on the “Ron” theory and have been from the days following HaLeigh’s disappearance. I stray from the Croslin brothers, tho. I feel that they only “know” what they’ve been told by Ron & Misty. I think that Misty doesn’t know exactly what happened. Your theory about her sleeping makes sense. Misty had given her key to the MH back to Ron so, we know she didn’t have a key @ this time.
LE’s investigation has been totally quiet when it comes to any info about Ron but, are quick to admit that Misty is the “key” and not a POI.
I do think that little HaLeigh is dead @ the hands of her father. I believe it was another female that he was holding responsible for all of the wrongs in his life (ie, DCF, school, exwife, new girlfriend, money, partying, etc). Ron did dump Amber and her family stepped into care for the baby. Ron didn’t have a chance taking that child the great-grandmother wouldn’t stand for it.
He is the classic “woman hater”. Teresa feels responsible for the abandonment issues and will protect him no matter what. Remember, Ron’s sister was designated the primary care giver of the children in Ron’s custody case. What happened to her? She fell of the face of the earth. And no one at all has confirmed that Grandma Sykes was even there that night. That little bit of info came out about her being there a few days later. No independent withnesses confirmed that she was there. Misty didn’t even bring it up until TN and Ron mentioned it.
It’s totally Ron & Teresa that know the exact story and I’m with you, I’m sticking to it, too. These 2 think they’re smarter than everyone including LE and the Croslin bunch.

Holly’sGMom : Glad to see you here. I missed your posts, very informative. Thank You!

Investigation into a Putnam COunty Inmate’s death Oct 2009

However, Schauland also wrote that the internal investigation revealed “that two corrections officers did not use due care while booking Mongal into the facility, or while preparing to shower him after he had defecated on himself. Both officers, Bill Hamby and Samad Green, have received letters of reprimand for their actions.”

In the first video, Mongal can be seen being brought into the jail by a Palatka police officer. Mongal was reportedly unable to stand or walk.

“The prisoner was forcefully placed on a bench by Officers Hamby and Green and later also forcefully taken to a shower,” Schauland said.

In the video, officers are seen taking Mongal into an area and placing him on a bench. Then the employees pick him up off the bench and he ends up hitting his face and head against the wall twice as they try to stand him up. Soon afterward, officers are seen dragging him along the floor down a hallway and around a corner.

In reports, officers said they believed Mongal was either drunk or purposely being non-compliant. Mongal also continued to defecate on himself, they reported. Green said he and Hamby were worried about exposure to body fluids and he wanted to quickly move Mongal to the shower stall to avoid contaminating the floor and booking area.

Green also said he didn’t feel Mongal was mishandled and thought the prisoner would have “taken more responsibility for keeping his balance,” the report stated.

Mongal reportedly had a cut on his head when he arrived at the jail, but police told jail staff that the cut happened before Mongal was arrested, and it was bandaged at the jail.

Mongal, a resident of the Simmons Labor Camp in Pomona Park, was released the next morning.

While waiting for someone from the labor camp to pick him up, “Mongal fell out of a wheelchair, and again bumped his head against the wall,” Schauland said.

A jail medical officer put another bandage on Mongal’s head and the person who came to pick up Mongal was allegedly told about concerns the jail staff had about Mongal’s health.

Jail employees told internal investigators that they offered to call an ambulance, but the person picking up Mongal declined the offer and said the labor camp would handle Mongal’s medical care.

Mongal was driven back to the camp, but hours later was taken by ambulance back to the medical center, where he later died.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20091001/ARTICLES/910019933?p=1&tc=pg

Lucy,Thats exactly what i said not along ago,that girl vanished into thin air?? which makes me wonder??

Former deputy charged with stealing Chihuahua
Dogs — posted by karen saunders on September, 12 2008 1:37 AM
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PALATKA (AP) — Authorities say a former Putnam County sheriff’s deputy stole a teacup Chihuahua named Princess from a San Mateo pet store. The pet-shop owner told deputies that John Lee May, 39, had been wearing a heavy jacket in the store Saturday and that another customer’s son saw May put the dog into his pocket. He was arrested Monday and charged with grand theft. He was later released on $1,004 bail. A spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office says May had been fired last week after an investigation into a domestic-violence complaint involving his former girlfriend. Before resigning, May had been a K-9 officer in the school resource unit.

(Sorry I forgot to record the link but it is from a local newspaper)

it was a charge of assault against Robbie, not Chris

UCN: 542001MM004105XXAXMX
File Date: 2001-10-24 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2001-10-26 1 COMPLAINT ROBERT PAUL MIDDLETON ASSAULT
2001-11-20 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

Man,I tell ya……..wish we all got a penny a piece for every nut in this family!lol
Gosh,We’d live high on the hog!

I guess thinks makes me Troll bait……Oh well, I think I can handle it! Just like you did CathyJo. Thanks for all the info. Appreciated!

Then there’s the whole Amnesty International reportagainst the PCSD for using a stun gun on a 14 yr old female, repeatedly.

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/110804/met_17128846.shtml

It’s also included in a report put out by AI

Yes,I think you’re right Lucy,I just haven’t seen verification of it,Tobias and HGM might help,lol sorry

Shakell Cox, 12, and her brother Jamal Curtis, 16, have had Tasers used on them at school in Palatka. Authorities said the two did not follow directions. Shakell has marks on her lower back she says were left by prongs.

Tasers, which in a few cases have been deadly, are known in law enforcement as a generally safe alternative. They’re preferred over other weapons such as the baton or pepper spray, said Lt. Gary Bowling with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.

Pain or discomfort is momentary and usually doesn’t require medical attention, although the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and many other agencies require some kind of medical evaluation of suspects afterward.

“Our officers deserve to have every chance at self-survival,” said Bowling, who trains deputies in Taser use before they are allowed to carry the weapon. “I think the citizens of our community expect that whether the officers are in school or on the road.”

JenM: I believe that LE know alot more than we can guess. That’s the reason for the sting operation. They, LE, pulled in as many players as they could to get the right info. I have to agree with OJ’s posts here, OUCH! The sting was a scare tatic that hasn’t produced exactly what LE wanted but, it will. IMO

Look at it this way…

Even though we now know that the river search was based on TOmmy’s lie(s)…LE still has not changed their position on Haleigh state of alive or murdered…

CathyJo: You have alot of bloggers here that appreciate what you have to say. So, screw em’!

Right Lucy,.imo they’re waiting for Misty to tell on whoever she’s protecting……..be hard to arrest the guilty one unless they have the connection from Misty……jmo though!

Thank You Lucy…very much!
no troll will do that to me again,Won’t do them any good this time,what D said was as bad as it gets and hey,I am still here! lol

Robin,She don’t smell like a rose to me,lol
Matter of fact she’s my birthmum made over!!
but something terrified Mistya and why the weird 911 call? Their behavior that doesn’t ever make sence?? ya know?
but i agree,cause daddys in jail don’t make you a mother!!!!!

Right Jen!!!!!

Entrapment? on the drug charges? Major cases in the US Supreme Court that were proved to be so……

Sorrells v. United States (287 U.S. 435 (1932)) unanimously reversed the conviction of a North Carolina factory worker who gave in to an undercover Prohibition officer’s repeated entreaties to get him some liquor. It identified the controlling question as “whether the defendant is a person otherwise innocent whom the government is seeking to punish for an alleged offense which is the product of the creative activity of its own officials”. Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435, 451.

AND

United States v. Russell (411 U.S. 423 (1973)) and Hampton v. United States (425 U.S. 484 (1976))

AND

Sherman v. United States (356 U.S. 369 (1958)

A good defense lawyer will at least try for it!!

brb phone again,

IMO after AUgust when all are formally charged as FELONS, a Grand Jury will be conveigned to decide just who and how manyto charge. They have evidence from several locations, witness statements, etc to go on.

No motions filed as to which charge should be tried first like Casey Anthony’s case. Since they will all be felons charges will be more severe.