The father of missing Florida girl Haleigh Cummings was in court this morning, he faces a July 19 trial date for his participation in the prescription drug sting that rounded up not just him but also Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin, Hope Sykes, and the ex Equusearch member Donna Brock.
After the hearing Cummings attorney Terry Shoemaker explained that the trial was unlikely to proceed. His client will most probably accept a plea deal agreeing to plead guilty on three of the five charges. The three charge each carry a minimum sentence of 15 years. Wow, some plea deal, 45 years behind bars! The two charges being dropped each carry a minimum of 25 years, so I guess he is getting a bargain.
Part of the plea deal apparently includes Ronald Cummings agreeing to testify against his co-defendants.
One thing is very clear, the PCSO are playing some very serious hardball with this group. Tommy Croslin is slated to be in court at 1:30pm eastern today, it will be interesting to see how that hearing transpires. For some time he has been saying that the worst case scenario is a three year sentence. I wonder if he might want to rethink that?
Misty Croslin faces the most charges and is facing a three digit year sentence. I would imagine that she is quaking in her boots right about now.
None of this is helping find Haleigh Cummings, but it is clear that the PCSO are determined to get some justice one way or another.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackTommys jailhouse tape talking to Flo Hollars just released….
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/…29/85395095001
Well where can we find the tape.Where is everyone today ? I thought everyone be here chatting away.
THAT’S MY BOY!!!!!!!!
THE BEST IS YET TO COME!!!!!!!
OF COURSE HE’S GONNA TESTIFY AGAINST EVERYONE, THAT’S THE WHOLE REASON
HE WAS INVOLVED IN
THE
DRUG BUST!!!
you can find the tape at firstcoastnews!
Stephanie….so what does it say? Anything close to what Flo Hollars relayed on NG?
Stephanie….so what does it say? Anything close to what Flo Hollars relayed on NG?
sorry about the first link…yeah looks like good old flo was telling the truth.
JB-
he dosen’t go into specifics of what happend he just says get Linsey to call my lawyer,and i have to do something I should have done long ago, and he needs to pay for what he has done(meaning Jo)
ronfan….Uh, I think he is testifying against them so that he doesn’t spend the rest of his life behind bars. If he had been working with LE to bust the others, he wouldn’t be doing ANY time at all. I don’t believe for a minute that he was just trying to bust the others. He’s been dealing drugs for years and he is getting what is coming to him. Depending on whether he serves them consecutavely or concurrently he is looking at 15 to 45 years behind bars. He is doing what he always does….looking out for himself and throwing the others under the bus. Your hero is going away for a long time and rightfully so.
IF I WERE MISTY, ITS TIME TO BE SERIOUS
AND CLOSE THOSE LEGS THAT WONT HELP THIS
TIME, NEITHER THE DRUGS, OR ALCOHOL, TIME
TO FESS UP OR DO THE TIME, LITTLE WHORE
TRAILER TRASH THAT SHE IS, SHE SHOULD DIE
AS HALEIGH DID
JB, in the jail house clip G.Holler says that she heard that Ron came home and Haleigh had gotten ahold of one of Rons pills and died. Ron supposedly called Tommy to go and help Misty. Tommy says no. G. Holler says it is what Misty said He said yes. It was G.Holler that actually asked if it was Joe. Tommy said yes. He claims to be scared. He does not want anything to happen to his kids. G. Holler gets Lyndsey on another phone to tell her that Tommy wants her to get ahold of his lawyer. He also does not want anyone to say anything.
Lyndsey says she is not going to divorce Tommy here on this clip 4/11/2010, But approx 4 weeks later we find out she filed. Nothing is mentioned of Tommy confessing anything. Whatever was told to G. Holler must of been by Misty. I wonder if the story g. Holler originally heard is the actual account of what happened and they are trying to pin it on Joe?
JB: I know, but I still can’t help thinking that maybe it’s all a facade and in the end he’ll end up walking. That man loved his daughter. Her smile showed that.
I firmly believe he purposely allowed himself to be a part of the sting, that he actually knew better, but went along with it, just for a chance and hope it would get him one step further to finding Haleigh. (obviously, the goal being to get people to talk) I really think Ron did this with that in mind. He has repeatedly said that he will do whatever he has to do to help find his daughter…
Even in his conversation w/his mom in jail, she said “you did what you had to do” and “you did the right thing”; I really think that is what she was referring to…what else could it be? That is what makes me feel for Ron; if u go back and listen, u will hear those hints.
That was going to be their defense since at that time they didnt know they had been taped. jmo
There is another interesting article at jacksonville.com Have any of you guys read it?? Very Interesting!!!Another P.Pill bust in Satsuma
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-05-12/story/putnam-man-charged-trafficking
JEAN, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING IN THE MANNER OF YOUR MOST RECENT POST.
There are other words to utilize in order to verbalize your feelings.
Jean, I know this is frustrating but that was an awful thing too say.
Ronfan
I agree about Ron doing this to find out what happened to Haleigh. you can see the love in their eyes.
Tobias – exactly…Ron always has a story when he gets caught…just like the rat in the mailbox…”Oh, I was testing Misty so I could she what she looks like when she lies”. Yeah, right! That was Ron trying to make sure Tommy kept his mouth shout. It appears Tommy knew what happened and Ron was trying to keep him quiet. When Ron got busted for drugs I’m sure he was telling his mom and gmom that he was just trying to get the others behind bars so they’d talk. “Oh, I was working with LE…blah, blah, blah” It is OBVIOUS in the videos Ron has NO clue he is talking to a UC. It is ALSO obvious that this is the REAL Ron…the druggie Ron….asking the UC for coke…rambling about how he likes to get high, blah, blah, blah. Ron was going to use the “I was trying to bust them and get info” as his defense until he found out about the videos which were VERY telling. If Ron had been working with LE he’d be free right now. He wouldn’t have spent a day behind bars. But now he knows he’s facing serious time so in true Ron fashion he’s going to throw anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own backside. He’s trying to make a deal for HIMSELF. Not for Jr., Not for Haleigh…for HIMSELF…plain and simple. LE has these people where they want them. And like a bunch of cockroaches scurrying when a light is turned on, these roaches are scurrying to get the best deal for themselves and to heck with everyone else.
LFJ – how would that work? I mean Ron coming home and finding out Haleigh had got into his stash. Do you mean he came home during his shift? And then he went back to work and called Tommy to help Misty get rid of the body but Tommy refused? So they got Joe to do it? I guess I’m not following. I mean, one of my theories is that Haleigh OD’d and they did a big cover-up….which Ron was FULLY aware of and involved in. But I don’t get the “Ron came home and Haleigh had OD’d”…..they called 911 within minutes of Ron getting home…..so Hollar’s story would mean Ron left work and then went back to work and as far as I know LE is pretty certain Ron didn’t leave. I wish I could listen to the audio but can’t at work! Dang it! LOL
Fill me in on anything you find!
JB you are absolutely correct about Ron. How can Ron testify against Tommy as far as the drug trafficking charges go? Was he with Tommy and Misty when Tommy went and got the pills for the UC? I don’t believe he was. I did not see his name on the report as being present. It would have to be something else wouldn’t it?
Lawyer: Plea deal likely in Cummings drug case
By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer
Published: Thursday, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 a.m.
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PALATKA – Ronald Cummings, the father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings, is set to stand trial on drug-trafficking charges on July 19, but his lawyer said Cummings will likely agree to a plea deal before then.
Speaking after a hearing before Circuit Judge Terry LaRue in Palatka Thursday morning, attorney Terry Shoemaker said Cummings, 26, will likely agree to plead to three of five charges. Each of those three charges carries a minimum mandatory prison sentence of 15 years.
Two of the five charges – involving trafficking in larger amounts of prescription drugs – carry a minimum sentence of 25 years. Shoemaker said the tentative deal in the works involves dropping those two, more severe charges. The plea deal might be completed by July 1, he said. Cummings would agree to testify against his co-defendants and would be sentenced after those case went to trial.
“Everyone in the world has seen the [undercover] videos,” Shoemaker said. “It’s kind of hard. It’s a great case for the state.”
His client is “hanging in there,” Shoemaker said. “He wishes he could do better, but you work with the hand that you’re dealt.”
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/ARTICLES/100519729/1118?Title=Lawyer-Plea-deal-likely-in-Cummings-drug-case
I think we are missing part of the tape, it’s been redacted.
Niterbug thanks for the info. Barber has no bail and the girl has a bail amount of 42,512. I am glad they are taking them down.
I’ve had the misfortune of being with kids that are abused. even tho they smiled,laughed and seem to be mentally well
adjusted , thier was something missing in thier eyes. I can’t put into words, but all the mentally and phiscally abused that light is missing,no matter how they laughed that glint wasn’t there.
That doesn’t describe Haleigh at all.
Do all of you remember when we were all wondering what that very large bandage that was on Ronald’s neck at the beginning of this case? I just saw a video of him sitting in court today and there was stll a remnant of a wound square in the middle of his jugular vein. many serious drug addicts inject themselves in their necks to get a more instant high, you make your own judgement on that, but couple that with his huge weight gain while in prison, one has to wonder.
JB: you are absolutely correct with your post! Bravo! I am new to this particular one, but have been avidly involved in others and kept up on this case from day one. Sorry but Ronfan, really needs to go back and start over and research Ronald Cummings. Obviously they are missing a great deal of confirmed information that has been reported. He was investigated by DCF for abuse and was on his last step before the children were going to be taken away from him. He couldn’t even get Haleigh to school on time. The school had issues and concerns over Haleigh emulating sex acts she saw at home, he sped around in his car with her on his lap? What happened to seatbelts and child seats for the safety of the child? He backhanded her so hard she hit the porch on her face? he had misty, a seventeen year old drug addict living with him and Haleigh, he kept the house stocked with drugs and guns, he never looked for Haleigh, but stole money from the donation jars for several tatoos, drugs, beer, and made sure that local establishments knew who he was and expected them to waive the food tickets after he ate there. If these are all indications and characteristics of a father’s love, then I guess I was raised wrong. As far as the look in his eyes, he appeared drugged and dazed. If you call those tears, they sure were hard to come by, he had to force those. A wrinkled up face does not constitute crying. He is a con artist,a fake and a liar thank god he is getting penned up for a good long time. That is where the animal needs to be. No more support and enabling from mommy and grandma. He is not a hero and they are done covering for him for a long time.
Linda, thank u for pointing that our. Very true, there is always something “missing” in their eyes; Haliegh always seemed to “glow” with Happiness, and Ron did too; no matter what someone does, there are people who are still passionate about their children, and love them with their whole heart.
SALUKI: nice try. However, that incision was from a cyst that had to be excised. Typically, if u are prone to them, they can become inflamed when u are under stress.
PCSO provided that official statement after people began speculating about it.
Even the Physician’s documentation had to be provided.
Nice shot.
LFJ: what are u listening to?
G.H. says “It’s Joe, isn’t it, I knew all along.”
In her other statement she says “the story I was told”…she doesn’t indicate who told her that spin.
I have some ? on the tape,though; at 7:13, when Tommy asks GH if she had talked to “his sister” yet, she says no she hasn’t talked to Misty yet, and then we can hear Lisa in the background saying “yes u did, she called this morning”, then GH stumbles a bit over her words; hard to tell if that’s real.
I also ? at 6:28 the relevancy of why Lisa shouts Lindsey says Chelsea is going around running her mouth!!! What does everyone think about that?
Guys, let’s get off the Ron thing, the pill story is hard to believe. Geez, Ron would have probably shot HIMSELF if it would have been his fault.
Crap, I did it again, LOL will email Jan to fix it. mea culpa
Coming from an abusive family I can explain to anyone who is curious that when in the company of visitors, be it friends or family and sometimes even complete strangers my siblings and I were excited in a hyper sensitive way because what that meant for us was that for the time period during those visits there would be no abuse.
The would be a niceness in the air that normally did not exist.
We were happier and would become very clingy to people who showed us kindness and positive attention.
Simply put,
There is no cookie cutter reaction as to how Children who are being abused are going to respond to any certain or specific circumstance.
A Child’s reactions to an abuser can also be very complicated depending upon the circumstances. Sometimes when the abuser is suddenly being nice to the Child and abuse is not present then the Child will also respond to the Parent in a hyper sensitive way because the Child will then attempt to continue drawing out the “nice” behavior from the Parent. If the Child demands what the abuser feels is to much attention from the abuser, the abuser can also become aggitated and almost in a bi-polar like fashion turn against the Child and the cycle of abuse continues on.
It’s all very sad and unless people are aware of what the many different signs are then I fear that the abuse and dysfunction might continue to plague our country for many years to come.
We are all the adults and it is our obligation to see to it that our Children are safe from harm.
Abuse will only continue if we choose to allow it too.
She did on NG after she came out and told that she was the one that called the tip into LE. I actually heard it from her own lips. This is also where she said Misty told her about Tommy nad Joe tying Haleigh to a cinder block with yellow rope.
Actually Ronfan the pill story is not hard to believe since it would corraborate the rumor that went through Satsuma in July of 2009.
Let’s Not Give Up Hope One This Precious Little Girl.
Native Texan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
JB: you are absolutely correct with your post! Bravo! I am new to this particular one, but have been avidly involved in others and kept up on this case from day one. Sorry but Ronfan, really needs to go back and start over and research Ronald Cummings. Obviously they are missing a great deal of confirmed information that has been reported. He was investigated by DCF for abuse and was on his last step before the children were going to be taken away from him. He couldn’t even get Haleigh to school on time. The school had issues and concerns over Haleigh emulating sex acts she saw at home, he sped around in his car with her on his lap? What happened to seatbelts and child seats for the safety of the child? He backhanded her so hard she hit the porch on her face? he had misty, a seventeen year old drug addict living with him and Haleigh, he kept the house stocked with drugs and guns, he never looked for Haleigh, but stole money from the donation jars for several tatoos, drugs, beer, and made sure that local establishments knew who he was and expected them to waive the food tickets after he ate there. If these are all indications and characteristics of a father’s love, then I guess I was raised wrong. As far as the look in his eyes, he appeared drugged and dazed. If you call those tears, they sure were hard to come by, he had to force those. A wrinkled up face does not constitute crying. He is a con artist,a fake and a liar thank god he is getting penned up for a good long time. That is where the animal needs to be. No more support and enabling from mommy and grandma. He is not a hero and they are done covering for him for a long time.
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wow, sure is a lot of rumors in that post.
I read your post wrong. I could only believe that it would of been another Croslin. Chelsea did hint to that on NG. I believe I was referrring to G. Holler talking about a confession from Tommy, but there was no confession just like Werter said. The yellow rope and dumping Haleigh came from Misty. It was Chelsea that told G.Holler the Shell Harbour location.
what i want to know is why is Tommy just now pointing to Joe? why not tell the truth before then if he’s not worried? why would Tommy -Misty- cover for Joe? hmmm
JB that is what G.Holler said she heard that Ron came home and then called Tommy to go help Misty. I know we have not heard of Ron leaving work, but I guess it is not impossible. I think that is what was being implied that he may have come home and when he got back to work he made all the calls. Myself I always thought all of this transpired in the 8 – 8:30pm call between he and Misty.
I noticed that there was another bust in Satsuma as someone mentioned above. Is it possible that Ron snitched in order to have 2 of the 5 charges dropped?
I am sure their paths have crossed.
Ronfan, @ 12:48: The voice of a woman in the room with Flora is not Lisa (in the call, Flora mentions Tom calling his mom and dad).
forgive me if i got the town wrong.
Now we know – Flora didn’t lie about the call from Tommy – looking forward to hearing the call from Misty, which came about 15 minutes later.
Ronfan, Flora talks about talking to Lisa in maybe ‘a couple months’. Lisa is not in the room with Flora during the call from Tom.
Don’t the feds get to take property that belongs to convicted drug traffickers? If so, might be a reason Lindsy wants to divorce Tom.
MrsSantos:
Makes ya wonder don’t it and really any of them could have snitched to try and save their own behinds!!
Native Texan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
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Kim, I didn’t realize you were from Texas, God’s country. I am surprised they let you in.
Ronfan
wouldn’t you think that Ron in his heart has killed himself a million times over because had he not been there himself , shouldn’t have left the kids with misty and so on and so on.
It’s never gonna stop for him. he new when that 911 call was made if Haleigh was gone or dead that his life was over. That’s the reason he said he’d spin the rest his life in prison,at that time Ron was saying he;d kill whoever did this.well he’s in prison now and he still wants whoever done this to be punished.He wants someone to hurt the way he hurts.
Tuff
your post could not have been more accurate about the life of abused children go thru.
JB, wouldn’t u do the same thing? How in the heck is spending 30 more years in prison giving justice to ur dead daughter and live son?
Don’t u think at this point, it IS pretty much a question of saving ur own butt?
And I still believe Ron knew what he was doing.
It would actually be the opposite of what you said: If it were a REAL deal, then Ron would NOT act so obvious and up front. No drug dealers or druggies would ever talk or act that way, because they are ALWAYS SCARED OF BEING CAUGHT. They aren’t that naive and stupid. No one uses real words and makes stupid comments like that. Listen to him, he’s alluding to alot of sh** when he talks.
Typical Ron fashion, it’s right in front of us, some just can’t hear it.
VAQUERA: GIVE ME YOUR PROOF. Umm, anyone can call right now, and get DCF out to ur house. They HAVE TO investigate EVERY REPORT. Read the follow up reports and findings DCF documented.
He was NOT close to losing custody.
Go read the minutes of the hearings, and judges comments.
Haleigh was late, yes. But aside from that, for her absences he did provide Dr. Notes most of the time.
JMVHO,
All of the covering up and the telling of the different “stories” is doing is delaying the inevitable and possibly forcing innocent persons into going along with suffering prolonged stress, frustration and grief for all involved.
Guilt must be raining down on each and every one of them every single second of the day and all they have to do is just simply tell the truth once and for all.
Doesn’t any one of these people have enough love for little Haleigh to step up and do the right thing?
all jmo
I don’t think theres to many people out there that can put thier self in anothers heart and mind.I believe god breaks the mold to each and ever one of us. Maybe we have some like-ness but no two the same.
Sorry but I did not believe the wife beater on Feb 9, 2009 and still do not believe anything he says. I do think that he set up the drug bust to get Misty in jail. I do not think Misty knows more about anything to do with Haleigh other than what she has said. I believe Ron knew the child was dead before he got home that night and called police.
Linda,
I didn’t see any hurt on Ron’s face when he was selling dope to the UC, or when he was trying to score some blow from the UC. I haven’t heard a lot of pain in his voice from his conversations with Cobra where he talks about his daughter being eaten by alligators and in the same breath brags about how much he knows for his age, how smart he is, etc. I didn’t feel warmth in his comments when he said to reporters “this is where Haleigh USED to RESIDE” before she was declared dead. I didn’t see a great deal of concern about his child missing when he married the person who was responsible for caring for her. And when he made the statement of how he felt disappointed…DISAPPOINTED that Misty didn’t confess to him about what happened to Haleigh I wanted to throw up. What parent is “disappointed” about their missing child case being turned into a homicide and the fact that his child could have been tied to a cinder blocks ALIVE and thrown in a river. You’re disappointed that you didn’t get that promotion. You’re disappointed that your lottery ticket wasn’t a winner. You’re disappointed that it rained on your vacation. But you are LIVID, DEVASTATED, ENRAGED and ANGRY when the person you entrusted with your child says she was dumped in the river! Ron is a drug addict and the only pity he feels right now is for himself!
ronfan, Vaq must not still be on here but I think you must have misunderstood her. What are you asking for proof of??
JB you are right on!!! I’m with you!
Linda said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Tuff
your post could not have been more accurate about the life of abused children go thru.
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I agree with Tuff’s post as well, but I think you missed the point. You posted earlier that you just know Ron didn’t do anything to Haleigh because you could see the love in their eyes?
Are you kidding me?
I was abused at the hands of my father for several years, and I could show you HUNDREDS of pictures of me sitting with him, smiling in my EYES, and looking like the happiest child there ever was.
You need to educate yourself on this issue because pictures and videos show and prove NOTHING regarding whether a child is being abused in the home or not.
Ask Susan Smith’s happy and smiling-eyed children. They are dead because their “loving” mother killed them.
ronfan – NO, I would NOT do the same thing. Firstly because I’m not a drug addict. Secondly, I would NEVER leave my child in the custody of a young, immature, drug addict. Thirdly, if my child had gone missing I would have turned that town upside down looking for him/her. I wouldn’t have proposed and married the person who lost my child. If I thought for a second I knew who was responsible for my child going missing I would HOPEFULLY work with LE to find the truth. If I KNEW for a fact that someone had killed my child…God help them because he would be the only one that could. I wouldn’t be out doing drugs, selling drugs, hanging out with the people who do drugs so NO, I wouldn’t do the same thing.
misty was set up and entrapped by LE undercover. Those varmints had villified misty’s name and reputation so badly no one would employ her. Then LE UC offered her the drugs free upfront then another UC offered to buy the drugs. Clear case of entrapment! I hope misty takes it to trial! If I was on the jury it would be NOT GUILTY!!!!!!!!
@Jean,
What a mean and horrible thing to say.
I think the “info” about Ron testifying against Misty and ToC was a tactic by LE, why on earth would this info be released? It is going to pizz of Misty and ToC enough to tell what they know, but no matter what happens Ron won’t be out before butterbean is an adult, thank God. What a POS, he first left his heart with a doped out slore off a 3-day drug sex binge, marries her, never goes back to work, doesn’t look for his child and when he is talking with Cobra about the Gators getting her and HaLeigh being in the water, there is no emotion whatsoever, except bravado about his wealth of knowledge on gators. FTLOG he didn’t even eek out on tear, if someone asked me if I thought my child was in the river, I’d break down into a slobbering mess bawling my eyes out at the horrific possibility. This man is a true psychopath and deserves every day he spend in the pokey for his crimes (and those crimes we don’t even know about yet)
OJ’s glove:
I am really concerned and scared for you. Every time I read your posts I sincerely hope you are either being sarcastic or just going against reality to gain some kind of attention.
OJ – LOL – so where did Misty apply for employment that she was turned down? Same place Lisa and Hank applied I’m sure! NOWHERE! LOL
Misty wasn’t wanting to work. She hadn’t held a job BEFORE all of this happened. I had a fulltime job when I was 17 and went to school fulltime. Misty had NO interest in honest employment….or she would have already had a job long before all this happened….and I don’t believe for a second that she, Hank and Lisa COULDN’T find work. They never tried. Too busy stealing purses, robbing houses, doing drugs, taking handouts, doing drugs, doctor shopping, doing drugs, forging checks, doing drugs, calling 911 when their drug deals head south, having fist fights with their family, doing drugs, going to the beach, to amusement parks, doing drugs, getting married, doing drugs, getting divorced, doing drugs, oh, and don’t forget, LOSING SMALL CHILDREN!
Just one:
Excellent post! I agree with every single word you said. It is beyond me how anyone can turn a blind eye to Ronald Cummings horrific behavior and actions.
Truthfully, it makes me literally ill.
ronfan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
VAQUERA: GIVE ME YOUR PROOF. Umm, anyone can call right now, and get DCF out to ur house. They HAVE TO investigate EVERY REPORT. Read the follow up reports and findings DCF documented.
He was NOT close to losing custody.
Go read the minutes of the hearings, and judges comments.
Haleigh was late, yes. But aside from that, for her absences he did provide Dr. Notes most of the time.
. I was quoting Native Texan,she said it and I said WOW, lots of rumors in that post.I know it’s not true 
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that wasn’t me, dear
I’m just saying what I feel about things by no means am I saying that I’m right.and I could use a lot more education. either way I’m not here to change anyones mind to see it my way, no matter who is right or wrong were not gonna change what happened to Haliegh.
I can not believe everyone is falling for the tape as being truthful when we know darned well LE would never release it if it held any truth. It would be evidence used in the conviction of the person/persons responcible for Haleighs death. Wertner could not get this tape without LE giving it to everyone. jmo
Wertner can only recieve tapes for the case he is covering now (drugs) there have been no arrests in the Haleigh case so any tape released is not evidence in the Haleigh case. jmo
TracyM said,in May 13th, 2010 at 2:15 pm Just one:
Excellent post! I agree with every single word you said. It is beyond me how anyone can turn a blind eye to Ronald Cummings horrific behavior and actions.
Truthfully, it makes me literally ill.
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Thanks Tracy, I think he is beyond scum and always have, I never fell for his fake whining act the first day, nor his mommy’s BS she’s been spewing about her precious boy (puking now). But, there is not a shot in hell he’s only squealing on MC and TC as the state doesn’t need him as it already on tape. So, if he’s squealing on the big dogs well, let’s just say he’ll be lucky to make it thru 15 yrs in prison. Snitches aren’t highly regarded. I still think LE is using this as they had no need to reveal this information and could have just asked for a continuance and MC and TC would have never been wiser, but now they know! So, IMO this dog turd is toast either way you look at it.
wasn’t Steve Brown supposed to no who killed Haleigh, where, when and how ?
tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Wertner can only recieve tapes for the case he is covering now (drugs) there have been no arrests in the Haleigh case so any tape released is not evidence in the Haleigh case. jmo
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I agree with this post. Also, if it is true that Ron is going to testify against T & M that is also about the drug case. It is hard to keep these 2 things separate but we have to remember it will only be about the current charges.
Linda, yes Steve Brown said he solved the case, he said he knows everything that happened that night……..
Whatever!!!
Treece,
Wasn’t Mr. Brown ex-FBI. How much more honest can a person get than FBI. I wonder why they have’nt arrested someone for Haleigh.
Anyone no if Tommy Jr. went court yet ?
Just One – BRAVO! Well Said! EXCELLENT post!
treece said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Linda, yes Steve Brown said he solved the case, he said he knows everything that happened that night……..
Whatever!!!
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he knows what he was told by Tommy, that’s about it.
I personally don’t have any love for Ron and a agree with you all that he makes me ill but just bacause he doesn’t appeal to me as so called man or person doesn’t mean he killed his daughter.
This has been bugging me for quite sometime now, hopefully someone can correct me if I’m wrong.When Misty made the 911 call to report Hayleigh missing,I keep thinking I heard Ron in the backround saying to Misty,”Why did you let “THEM” take my child,bitch?” I have tried to find a transcript of the call,but so far, no luck. If, this is indeed what I heard,then it sounds like to me Ron knows something more then what he is saying .
I wonder if ron could get 15 consecutive vs. concurent?
He’s gonna testify against othere wow!
Totally agree with this in Simons article “One thing is very clear, the PCSO are playing some very serious hardball with this group. Tommy Croslin is slated to be in court at 1:30pm eastern today, it will be interesting to see how that hearing transpires.”
Linda – here is how I see it and this is JMO…
1. Ron used drugs around his children
2. He drove recklessly with them in the vehicle
3. He allowed people on drugs to be around his children
4. He was violent and abusive around the kids and allowed them to see and hear things no child should
5. He knew Misty had been on a 3-day drug, alcohol and sex binge, knew she did drugs as he did them with her, knew she was young and immature, sleep deprived and he STILL left his children in her care
6. His behavior after Haleigh’s disappearance is very suspect and peculiar to say the least and are not indicative of a parent who has a missing child but are more of a person hiding a crime for which he is involved
7. His continued drug use and criminal behavior after Haleigh’s disappearance put his remaining child in danger
8. His drug dealing got him arrested and taken away from Jr who has been thrown to a mother he basically barely knew who probably shouldn’t have custody either. The same child who is dealing with the anxiety and stress of his missing sister
So even IF (and that is a BIG IF) he was not directly involved his actions perpetuated Haleigh’s fate. He did not protect her and subjected her to dangerous people. Did she OD on his drug stash? Did someone take her because of his drug debt? Did his girlfriend’s family take and kill Haleigh over a disagreement? Did his girlfriend kill Haleigh? We don’t know but ALL of these people were only in Haleigh’s life because he allowed them to be. He CHOSE these lowlifes to be caregivers for his children. He CHOSE this drug infested, crime riddled lifestyle. He CHOSE to be engaged in shady drug dealings with shady characters. He CHOSE Haleigh’s fate with his actions. Again, JMO.
JB: My thoughts exactly excellent post!!
Jane Velez Mitchell will be highlighting the Tommy jail tapes tonight
JB- Bravo on your post!!! ITA and don’t forget when they were busted it, they were on tape stating they were outside the area of Jr’s daycare and doing a deal and then picking him up. Added to your list there is not a doubt in my mind that IF he’s not involved, his lifestyle and bahavoirs most certainly sealed her fate!
JB and Justone: Exactly! And thats why its difficult to hear any praises for RonnieBoy!!
Just One – EXACTLY! In the same breath Ron could be doing a drug deal, be OBVIOUSLY high and be talking about going and getting his son from daycare (again, driving while high with his son in the vehicle). I know Ron thinks he “loved” his children but if he truly loved them he would not have subjected them to this lifestyle. He would protect them. Not drive them around while he’s high. Not have druggie people around them. Not be involved in drugs and criminal behaviors. That is NOT love! He thinks because he fought for custody he was a great parent. Takes a lot more than that to be a parent! That action alone isn’t love!
So Very Well Said — It Needed To Be Said Again!
JMO…
1. Ron used drugs around his children
2. He drove recklessly with them in the vehicle
3. He allowed people on drugs to be around his children
4. He was violent and abusive around the kids and allowed them to see and hear things no child should
5. He knew Misty had been on a 3-day drug, alcohol and sex binge, knew she did drugs as he did them with her, knew she was young and immature, sleep deprived and he STILL left his children in her care
6. His behavior after Haleigh’s disappearance is very suspect and peculiar to say the least and are not indicative of a parent who has a missing child but are more of a person hiding a crime for which he is involved
7. His continued drug use and criminal behavior after Haleigh’s disappearance put his remaining child in danger
8. His drug dealing got him arrested and taken away from Jr who has been thrown to a mother he basically barely knew who probably shouldn’t have custody either. The same child who is dealing with the anxiety and stress of his missing sister
So even IF (and that is a BIG IF) he was not directly involved his actions perpetuated Haleigh’s fate. He did not protect her and subjected her to dangerous people. Did she OD on his drug stash? Did someone take her because of his drug debt? Did his girlfriend’s family take and kill Haleigh over a disagreement? Did his girlfriend kill Haleigh? We don’t know but ALL of these people were only in Haleigh’s life because he allowed them to be. He CHOSE these lowlifes to be caregivers for his children. He CHOSE this drug infested, crime riddled lifestyle. He CHOSE to be engaged in shady drug dealings with shady characters. He CHOSE Haleigh’s fate with his actions.
Ron needs un unremovable copy of this plastered on his cell wall… until the day he is released!
http://www.news4jax.com/news/23544564/detail.html
Ok guys this is one of the problems with this case THE CHITTY REPORTING OF THE FACTS. It pisses me off to no end at this point to continue to read paid journalist make such obvious errors and still hold jobs and the paper has no policy of clearly checking out the facts before they print the crap.
I guess news4jax is not where you can find the facts or credible news reports.
JB said,in May 13th, 2010 at 3:44 pm Just One – EXACTLY! In the same breath Ron could be doing a drug deal, be OBVIOUSLY high and be talking about going and getting his son from daycare (again, driving while high with his son in the vehicle). I know Ron thinks he “loved” his children but if he truly loved them he would not have subjected them to this lifestyle. He would protect them. Not drive them around while he’s high. Not have druggie people around them. Not be involved in drugs and criminal behaviors. That is NOT love! He thinks because he fought for custody he was a great parent. Takes a lot more than that to be a parent! That action alone isn’t love!
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exactly, exactly and ditto. I swear it’s like you are in my head LOL. Toxic love still looks like love when you are doper. It’s absolutely not parental love, and I tend to think it’s love of self (yeah-go figure Ron IS a narcissist no doubt) he is trying to show. Parental love is pure love that puts your needs aside from the child’s needs and doesn’t enable (like TN), it’s a love that sometimes allows you to let your child suffer the consequences of their actions when they are testing you and letting them learn from their mistakes.
I love the occasional drive by bird chit, but, the stink is beyond approach today.
The mob is ready!!!!
JB,
I, can’t object to any of your thoughts about Ron there all true. Your saying he killed her By his choice of life style and I can’t agree more. either way Ron is responseable for her death . If has to go to prison It makes no difference to me.
Tracy,
I was also raised with with parents (both) that were abusive.but I stand by my eyes feelings….
Why do all of you fish completely disregard the possibility that someone not currently under investigation took Haleigh ? The possibility that all of these people are, in fact, telling the truth ? Why is that immediately discarded ?
Don’t get me wrong, I think most of you should be jailed for slander. And I despise most every single one of you, including the authors of this site. But the question is genuine. Can anyone shed some light on that for me?
Thank You in advance.
Jay
I thought I was the only one with that much common sense.
Just One – I’m in your head? That would explain my feeling of clostraphobia (sp?)…and that echo! JUST KIDDING! LOL
Yeah, we’re on the same wave link! And TOXIC love is exactly what it is/was. He didn’t put the needs of his children before his own which is what a parent is SUPPOSED to do. It is all about him. Always has been and always will be. You can see it in his interactions with others. You can see it in his walk. You can hear it in the things he says. The “I don’t know, I was at work”. WHO CARES! Your child is missing! Why the need to constantly say “I don’t know, I was at work”. BECAUSE IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM! His wants, his needs, his choices, his lifestyle….and the children suffered…one with her very life!
Wow tempers are hot today. It is obvious that all of us are passionate for justiice for Haleigh. However, justice for Haleigh is not found in trumped up drug offences. I feel these are street level addicts selling street level amounts of drugs to fuel their own addictions. The maximum sentencing for these DRUG convictions is crazy. Rapists, pedophiles, and murderers get less time. If this bunch is quilty of murder charge them for that and have a trial. Clearly LE is not confident in their investigation and findings or they would be charged with that. I am not saying these people aren’t involved in the childs disapperance but if the evidence isn’t strong enough than charge them fairly. Lady Justice is above all things fair. I feel that using the crimes for narcotics shouldn’t be used to punish for murder.
JB-Again, you are so in my head. I remember when Meredith Viera asked him what he thought of Jr talking about what he stated, and his reply was “I don’t know I wuz at werk”, well obviioulsy that doesn’t preclude anyone Ron included from forming an opinion. That non stop use of “his alibi” is what makes him look guilty.
Also to others talking about slander, first the truth is an absolute defense to slander and what we’ve posted is truth like it or not, he himself choose his needs over his children and one did pay with their life. Second, you have to actually have some character to slander, not an issue with anyone in this case, they are all selfish pigs with nothing to contribute to society, so hard to defame them IMO
Jay – I only have the info that LE has given me and it isn’t much to go on. But they DO indicate and have stated as much they do not believe this was a stranger abduction. Even WITHOUT that info, I did not think it was a stranger abduction. They MUST have some evidence that lead them to believe that. If the players were not involved why point at one another? Why all the lies? Why not just say “I Don’t Know Who Took Her!” and stick to that! I’ll tell you why! Because it isn’t the truth. They KNOW what happened to her!
Speaking the truth is not slander! Misty admitted to her 3-day drug, alcohol and sex binge. Misty is young and immature. Ron has been charged multiple times with drug crimes and is on video saying he loves to get high (not to mention is selling drugs on video) so that is fact…and thus not slander. He admitted to driving recklessly with Haleigh because he was running late. He admitted to driving with her on his lap (not restrained). So that is fact, not slander. It is obvious from his own admission, the videos and witness statements that he dealt in drugs, did drugs and had druggies around him and his children. Fact and thus not slander. He chose Misty to babysit his children KNOWING she was a druggie. Fact so not slander. Tommy admitted to going over THAT NIGHT to smoke pot with Misty (around the children)…fact so not slander. It is Misty and Tommy who have taken LE to the river, mentioned cinder blocks and Haleigh being thrown in the river…those are their statements, not mine. I do not hate you, I do not despise you as I do not know you. But I can assure you that nothing I have said is slander nor has it not been said many times before. This is a blog. It is a place to share opinions, thoughts and yes, FACTS as we know them. Your opinion is welcome as well and I welcome your thoughts on this case as well.
If it was stranger abduction as you indicate, then why was there no forced entry? Who was at fault for leaving a door unlocked? And why has LE now ruled this a homicide? Why are Misty and Tommy telling LE Haleigh is dead? Why all the stories if they had nothing to do with it? Why the strange behavior and continuously changing stories? An innocent person would not do that. Interested to hear your theory as mine has changed many times…but never have I ever believe it was a stranger abduction….but I’m open to hearing your thoughts.
Just One….can I come out of your head now? I’m askeered of the dark! LOL
JB- LOL, go ahead-just shut the door when you leave:)
Just One…uh, where’s the door! I’M TRAPPED! AHHHHHHHHH!
bio-haz – LOL – no temper here! A little passion perhaps…but no anger. I don’t deny anyone their opinion and welcome other thoughts and theories. But I do get passionate about my own theories.
Sorry if anything I said was offensive or appeared to be stated in anger! Not the case I assure you! 
Tex – nice to know you despise us all too! LOL Good to know.
JB-Sorry, you think so much like I do that I’m gonna keep you, especially since I don’t despise you LOL
Linda…I know it is difficult to believe a parent would put their child in harm’s way. We want to believe the best….we hope for the best…but with Ron I just can’t get past all of the things he did to endanger those kids. IMO it is surprising nothing bad happened any sooner than it did! Guns in ditches, fights in the house and yard, cussing, screaming, drugs laying around (statement by Chelsey), drugs done in front of the kids, reckless driving, criminal activity all around them, threats and violence…..good grief, those babies never had a chance!
JB said,in May 13th, 2010 at 4:22 pm Tex – nice to know you despise us all too! LOL Good to know.
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I never said that.
Just One – well, if I’m staying, I’m redecorating! You may despise me by the time I get done! LMAO
One other point addiction is a disease. People don’t want to live their lives around drugs + alcohol. They don’t want to be homeless + rob their freinds + family or whoever. It seems to me that spending all your attention, dignity,time + money for hour next high is no life for the person or their family. Lindsey may become a nurse in the field of addiction. She has seen first hand what it does first hand to families.
Jay said,in May 13th, 2010 at 3:58 pm Why do all of you fish completely disregard the possibility that someone not currently under investigation took Haleigh ? The possibility that all of these people are, in fact, telling the truth ? Why is that immediately discarded ?
Don’t get me wrong, I think most of you should be jailed for slander. And I despise most every single one of you, including the authors of this site. But the question is genuine. Can anyone shed some light on that for me?
Thank You in advance.
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texasmommy39 said,in May 13th, 2010 at 4:00 pm Jay
I thought I was the only one with that much common sense.
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Tex – so which part was the “common sense” you were agreeing with? The part where we were called “fish”? The part where we should be jailed? The part about despising each and every one of us including the author of the site? Because we KNOW they aren’t telling the truth. They’ve told too many different stories and they can’t all be the truth so that part is out. We don’t know who all is under investigation as we aren’t privy to who all LE is looking at as no POI has been named so that can’t be it. So WHICH part were you agreeing with as common sense? Just curios….
I think I have clearly stated my opinion on the drug case and all involved and HaLeighs abduction case.
I have never called anyone of them names such as what I have seen here today. I do not throw around theories of how Crystal was a bad mother and this is all her fault because she was only a every other weekend mommy.
JB-LOL, go ahead I need help in that dept anyway-and the only people I despise are those that either kill their kids or put them directly in the path of danger, kinda like putting them on a metal fence during a lightning storm IMO.
TTYL
Bio-Haz – I truly hope Lindsey does make a break from this family and she uses her experience to better herself, her children and to help others. She could go one of two ways…her life story is yet to be written. I’m hoping for the best but a little skeptical at this point that she’ll take the high road. She’s shown her true colors with using LP. I have my suspicions that she has used drugs as well. For the love of her children I pray she sees the trainwreck before it happens and starts a new life.
That it is someone that has not been named. OMG JB take it easy. I should of been more specific as to what part I agreed with.
JB what good is a debate without the passion. Lol
When facts are debated it can be very interesting ,but, when you are debating rumors it is not.
Tex – still didn’t tell me what part you were agreeing with but we’ll let it go.
And as I’ve stated MANY times…if Haleigh had disappeared from Crystal’s house on her watch, I’d be looking at her, her lifestyle and who she had around the kids…but that isn’t the case. I think Crystal is a pitiful excuse for a mother but Haleigh didn’t go missing from HER home, while being watched by HER boyfriend. So, my focus is on those who were RESPONSIBLE for Haleigh at the time because her disappearance is what we are discussing. But I’ll be happy to discuss with you what I think of Crystal if it’ll make you happy….just doesn’t seem to be that relevant to the case however.
bio-haz…well, some may mistake my passion for anger. It is often hard to tell from written words HOW someone means them. I’m not angry at anyone here. I’m not even angry when I post. And I CERTAINLY don’t want my posts to come across as angry because they aren’t. My heart aches for this child that didn’t have a chance in hates. This did NOT have to happen and yes I hold those who were supposed to protect her responsible.
Now, if someone had broken into the home, or snatched her on her way home from school, or taken her at gunpoint…then it would be a lot different. But that is not the case IMO. The people who were supposed to protect her took her life and YEAH, I’m VERY passionate about how I feel about that! LOL
MO the only truth I hear is in the quality of Tommy’s voice, and his concern about losing Lindsy. He sounds dejected, and like he is losing it, and mostly, that there is no way out of his situation.
I think he is still hoping against hope he can weasel a bs story with just enough truth to maybe help himself so he can get out sooner. Something he can use to convince Lindsey to wait for him. I think Lindsey knows more than everyone thinks she knows. Maybe it’s ok to accidentally be involved with the ‘Haleigh situation’, and feel her husband is basically innocent, and feels a need to protects him. But if he lied to her about more than that she might be feeling betrayed, turned off, and wanting to protect her future and cut her losses.
You can hear for sure that he’s insecure and desperate regarding Lindsy as he says over and over, “Tell her I love her”. Also he brings up more than once that he doesn’t understand why Lindsy turned the money down. And he didn’t bring up the “well I could use the money for stuff even if you didn’t want it” routine he likes to engage in. He always concerns himself with money and getting his needs met.
Previously, if I understood correctly, Lindsy was always arguing with Tommy that his parents owed her money. So if she refused money from them, it seems to indicate she is withdrawing from Tommy and the family and wants out. Tommy instinctively gets this. I do not think he will cope w/o Lindsy’s support.
With so many people speculating for so long being aware of that river pier as a possible crime scene,it just doesn’t sound like he’s said anymore that wasn’t already known. If he said he did it, or incriminated himself in such a way that it’s costing him something,then I’d think he was being more honest, although not necessarily completely honest.
No thanks, I am not interested in debating Crystals character flaws at the momment with you or anyone. I do not see that has being productive; just like I do not see bashing Ron or the Croslins as productive.
someone’s menstruating again
homespain said,in May 13th, 2010 at 5:09 pm someone’s menstruating again
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LMAO How did you know?
Someone tell me why did it take 15 months to determine that what has been claimed from the begining is now the truth?
If they finally have the truth and a few of the guilty are behind bars why are they not charged yet?
texasmommy, sorry LMAO means?
I know what lol is and IMO. That’s it.
How do i know? WELL, usually by the over the top aggressive responses people seem to feel that they need to express in order to tell their idea of what truth is, or like jumping to conclusions and getting nasty and biting peoples heads off because they make an innocuous statement. LOL
it’s a big mess isn’t it?
Laughing my asz off. LOL
I thought you where talking about me! LMAO
Yes I agree it is a mess.
no texasmommy I certainly was not talking about you. thanks for explaining the acronym to me. gotta get some things done now. have a good night.
YOUR welcome.
Can someone tell me if TC went to court today & if so what happened? I know about Ron’s day in court but, I thought TC had court today @ 3:30? Can someone let me know what happened besides the phone call being released?
Thank U!!
Y’all are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are saying that they are all drug addicts, live lives that don’t meet your standards and have exposed their children to the worst of humanity…… And in the same breath you are saying why would they change their stories, point fingers at each other and fabricate truths if they were innocent ?
Because they are drug addicts……duh ! You just said that !
If you people are vindicating them for being drug addicts then do that. But to say their drug use/addiction makes them automatically guilty of murdering this little girl is blasphemy. Children of drug addicts get their children abducted too. Drug addicts also deserve to mourn the loss of said child. They are not subject to your approval. They are acting sketchy in the aftermath of this abduction because they were sketchy their entire lives leading up to it.
And finally, the PCSO has no information rooted in fact that has led them to believe this little girl is dead. What they have is a series of stories told by “drug addicts”. Everything they have said, and most everything you people continuously say here is nothing more than speculatve bullshit. Somebody tell me a reason why this little girl couldn’t have been abducted by a stranger. And don’t give me a novel consisting of stories these people have told law enforcement, or each other. Don’t give me theories of an inept sherriff’s office, tell me what the concrete proof is that this girl was NOT abducted.
The doors were locked and there was no way to break in the house w/o creating damage to gain entrance. Ron, to protect his stash and weapons had ensured his doors were not easily broken into.
Front door was unlocked. Somebody walked in, opened the back door and propped it, then walked right out the back door with that little girl. Right under the nose of a teenegaer coming down from a drug binge. Next.
Please be more intelligent about your “incriminating information”
JB NOW I completely agree with Jay’s entire post. LMAO.
But as a drug addict Ron may have installed great locks and forgot to use the lock.
Jay said,in May 13th, 2010 at 6:30 pm Front door was unlocked. Somebody walked in, opened the back door and propped it, then walked right out the back door with that little girl. Right under the nose of a teenegaer coming down from a drug binge. Next.
Please be more intelligent about your “incriminating information”
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You won’t last long looking down your nose. It is what you type that creates the mood in which we all will participate in and some are ol’ timers and friends.
Mr inteligensiajay
On what FACTUAL basis do you know for sure the front door was unlocked? You don’t, do you?
Please be more intelligent with Your discriminating responses. If you want to respond in your usual crappy manner, mind you it isn’t helpful or constructive or enlightening. Your superior intellect isn’t…You sir are no Kahn. I’m bored with you already. So I hope you have a good night. You’re dismissed lol
Claiming entrapment is just a way to avoid the Truth.
Shock value statements to garner attention.
There is aalways one in the crowd.
Ronfan, that haircut ron has is high and tight. He looks like a real ‘little’ gentleman.
IN CASE ANYBODY WONDERS WHO KAHN IS… AS IN WRATH OF KHAN WHO THOUGHT HE HAD A SUPERIOR INTELLECT. jAY MAN, RELAX
LMAO see …. I knew it was coming and am expecting the back up any minute. I am staying out of the fray and will watch from a distance.
Jay hope this isn’t to long winded. The truth is unkown or arrests would have been made + charges laid. So, there is no truth only a bunch of addicted suspects trying to keep out of jail. Oh ya and the addicts need some GOOD lawyers to step up to the plate to stop these people frm being railroaded.
TEXASMOMMY lmao IT IS FUNNY. You know that sad part is that Jay did make some interesting points in his first posting… but if i want crappyness i’ll just remarry my ex… anyhow I’m not going to interact further, i am already bored and I’m sure it’s boring and irritating for everyone else..
Giggeling out loud, I guess some can see it as entertainment since we are still at ground zero.
Funny how criminals with cheat, steal, conspire to do wrong, lie etc…
But as soon as LE plays their game and busts them, they cry foul. Its so predictable and boring.
Let’s just see if misty goes on the stand to tell the all the ways she was entrapped into this criminal conduct. She will have her chance at her trial for the drug charges. She will have lawyer to represent her and help her set the foundation for that claim in his opening statement.
Bet you all she pleads like hope did and ron will.
And where is the appeal on the awfully wronged hope sykes sentence? They have about 10 days or so left to make their appeal that she didn’t know what she was doing.
The drug charges are Tight on these goof balls. Prison guards are just now filling the pool, dusting the living areas and mowing the grass in anticipation of the guilty in these cases. ”
Commissary comes on tuesday boys and girls, get your frito chip orders in by 2pm monday. We don’t want you all to get hungry.”
btw if you all go to simons hot off the wire link in his posting above, there are current comments being posted there as we speak. Pretty interesting
No NG “bombshell tonight”
Looks like Nancy will have to find a new boyfriend.
ronbo is throwing in the towel. I don’t blame him. Get what you can at this point, he has no leverage.
On the ‘ron is under cover’ premise;
Maybe ron is doing this so misty will get mad that he’s testifyng and do what?
Hey everyone. Will only have time for this one post. Saw the news just now on Ron. My thoughts:
Ron was in on the drug bust. This whole ‘im gonna rat out Misty, Tommy, Hope and Donna to get my sentence reduced’ is a game too. It is to shake them up to fess up. Ron is innocent of harming his child. Misty (innocent of harming Haleigh)may figure she can get a good deal too if she tells what she knows.
Misty is lying about “the events of that night”, but she did not harm Haleigh. She acted on her own guilt of not watching her. Realizing that she would be blamed for Haleigh being gone (and that Ron would hate her or harm her), she set that back door up herself (on 911 tape she says: ‘the brick wasn’t there when I was asleep). That says it was put there after she woke up. It was going to be her story to Ron, because she had no other excuse for Haleigh being missing. She was passed out. She says: Someone took her! She knows it wasn’t her, but she is pretty darn sure it is Tommy or Joe. Problem: no one would believe her and she would be called a liar and blamed for everything. She has blown this entire investigation for finding out what happened to Haleigh. She only has theories of what could of happened.
Tommy, guilty of Haleighs disappearance. Most likely, Joe helped him by driving the Van that night and Tommy promised not to tell if he would just drive. Joe hi tailed it out of there so as to not look involved. Tommy took advantage of the fact that Misty was passed out. He wants us all to believe (according to his jailtape) that ‘he knows what he is doing when he is high on drugs’. Why would that be so important to convince us of? Lyndsy knows better and can figure out he is the one that did this. Chelsea and Timmy (who I think one of them knows for sure that Joe took the van that night) told Lyndsy that Tommy called or came over and asked Joe to come with him. That is why she wants divorced now!
I think there is so much truth in what people don’t say, as much as there is in what they do say. I think Misty is what has this case twisted up this whole time where no one can figure out what happened. She needs to report her actions that night and why. Remember her mom told her she was lying, her dad told her to Stop Lying and that he knows Tommy didn’t do anything wrong, and her gmhollars said she must of liked being sexually abused. Misty has been blamed no matter what. They have taken Tommy’s side when she said he sexually molested her. Joe already has a sex felony.
She has learned behaviors of acting and reacting when she already knows she will be blamed.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. You guys have a great night.
JenM.
Y’all are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are saying that they are all drug addicts, live lives that don’t meet your standards and have exposed their children to the worst of humanity…… And in the same breath you are saying why would they change their stories, point fingers at each other and fabricate truths if they were innocent ?
Because they are drug addicts……duh ! You just said that !
If you people are vindicating them for being drug addicts then do that. But to say their drug use/addiction makes them automatically guilty of murdering this little girl is blasphemy. Children of drug addicts get their children abducted too. Drug addicts also deserve to mourn the loss of said child. They are not subject to your approval. They are acting sketchy in the aftermath of this abduction because they were sketchy their entire lives leading up to it.
And finally, the PCSO has no information rooted in fact that has led them to believe this little girl is dead. What they have is a series of stories told by “drug addicts”. Everything they have said, and most everything you people continuously say here is nothing more than speculatve bullshit. Somebody tell me a reason why this little girl couldn’t have been abducted by a stranger. And don’t give me a novel consisting of stories these people have told law enforcement, or each other. Don’t give me theories of an inept sherriff’s office, tell me what the concrete proof is that this girl was NOT abducted.
Thank you..Thank you..Thank you..I think it was a stranger abduction, too. Now can someone please tell me if LE said anything about the windows of the MH. Can one have been opened, since Misty supposedly washed a blanket with urine on it. Could she have opened a window to “air” out the room, so maybe it won’t smell like pee? Just asking, because I for one, have never heard about the state of the windows, which could possibly be a point of entry. TIA
JB: Hey, still here, not as often tho…..And we do know where that TexMom is coming from….She has thrown Crystal under the bus on more than 1 occassion. She even started her own web page dedicated to her own destruction of Crystal and how Crystal’s whole family is behing HaLeigh’s disappearance. Already found all that stuff, exposed. Keep up the great blogs. Love your stuff. It’s right on…….
Sorry I responded to Jay’s statement. The only one wrote by me is the bottom paragraph. I respect everyone’s opinions and read them and would never call disrespect anyone here! Sorry about not putting spaces in between the statements.
OOOPs, left out of my post above that yes I think it could of been stranger abduction and could of been the Sheffields. I think more likely the Sheffields and that they got Haleigh out, but Misty woke up by the time they came back for Jr. (yes, I think this is a very strong possibility). Skank ho Crystal has a lot of family that might be willing to get those kids away from Ron. Family abductions from the non custodial parent happen daily in this country! It is not uncommon! It just may of snowballed when Misty reacted on her own guilt feelings. Given that theory,
That would make Tommy and Joe innocent. Tommy’s involvement would be being over at Misty’s searching for pills that night and whatever else he did. Unless he and/or Joe took some money or guns to get her out of there and that is a little too far fetched for me.
Gnight.
stilllucy said,in May 13th, 2010 at 7:28 pm JB: Hey, still here, not as often tho…..And we do know where that TexMom is coming from….She has thrown Crystal under the bus on more than 1 occassion. She even started her own web page dedicated to her own destruction of Crystal and how Crystal’s whole family is behing HaLeigh’s disappearance. Already found all that stuff, exposed. Keep up the great blogs. Love your stuff. It’s right on…….
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LMAO….. EXPOSED huh? What is your need to expose me? You are a little nuttier than I thought.
I will give jay this:
They are drug addicts and traffickers(this help expand the drug into more peoples lives and ruin them like they’ve done to themselves) who look awfully guilty of their drug charges.
Ok 15-40 years in prison.
No, that doesn’t make them killers. We will need to see proof beyond a reasonable doubt, or rather a judge or jury will, if they are charged.
Still, these folks played a hand less than a year after Haleigh went missing that is going to cost them years of their lives. They thought the heat was off enough to do what they did. Hell, misty was out buying weed or pills and got jacked where she got her arm hurt. Maybe those dealers had info on Haleigh, yeah, right.
If we truly knew what was in the minds and the hearts of other we would defiantly eliminated all the MONSTERS of the world and some of the stupid as well.
Jaba—I think all these people have a good chance in the appeals process as far as their drug charges, bonds, and sentencing (that’s if their lawyers are any count). These players got themselves into this mess, but any lawyer worth his salt will be able to cut these sentences in half, or even a third. These drug charges will probably
be overturned on appeal. These cases are far from over. JMO
If anyone likes Larry King he’s got a excellent show to night.
What is basis for appeal?
There are mandatory sentencing guidelines for their charges. They may be able to drop some and get a better deal, but LW has them on film. Why would the state offer anything?
If they don’t know anything about Haleigh then they have no leverage or power to get a deal.
I’d like to them go to trial so we can see all of the evidence.
Sound like ron is taking a plea? Why, becasue he know he’s guilty. He aint appealing a plea bargain.
LW = LE in previous post.
Also, in a plea deal, the judge does not have to abide by it at sentencing. They usually do, but don’t have to.
ron will plead no contest or guilty and will be sentenced. He could withdraw his plea if he doesn’t get the sentence he wants, I guess, but I think this will be simple for ron and the court.
texasmommy- Yea a few of the people here are spooks. It was real inappropriate, and just being a trouble maker, what was said about you. Unfortunately too common. Allot of people are turned off or have left, who were really interesting and positive.
Stick around for the good ones as there are plenty. A couple have contacted me in private and let me know what they really think. From what I’ve been told about that poster, “who checked you out”, is no one to be worried about, just likes to fluff her feathers and sound authoritarian, my friend said she’s essentially harmless and not to worry. I know it sounded threatening.
What actually worries me for her is that she doesn’t realize that if she ticked off the wrong person, by going too far, someone can check her out as well. She could inadvertently put herself at danger making those kind of remarks to the wrong person.
So texasmommy stick around for the good ones.
So… there is allot of speculating going on, Like I said a few days ago, big things are a coming.
She is harmless I am sure. I have nothing to hide, lol. I was a daily poster at WS since march 2009 and finally chose not to post there because of the constant fighting and derailing of great discussions by the few that just want to hate and make this case a personal fight about everyone except HaLeigh.
I have a myspace page, facebook account, twitter and even a youtube account……I aint hidding! I am not a foul mouthed ugly person and usually will respond with tack when provoked. I was raised to be a lady and have a little manners. I call it my southern charm.
Texas Mommy Good for you. This case is actually befuddling. Allot of twists and turns. You’d expect this to be in some comic french drama,as bizarre as it is. I imagine allot of people, if they are foreigners or even from other states must think Floridians are all like that. I lived in Texas till three years ago. Miss it. Hate winter.
Well, I’ve had it for today- way too much time on line. Take Care
I will and you too! I have family that live in Florida so yes I worry about them, but, it seems Texas has its fill of Monsters also.
Jaba–You are right. You cannot appeal a plea bargain. Ron has more charges than Hope and yet he is offered a plea for 15 years if what the poster said was true? Hope can appeal, and its probably a guarantee, on ineffective counsel. I bet a dollar to a donut that there will be appeals when the sentencing of all players are known, besides the ones that do take a plea deal. I can guarantee the constitutionality of the drug sting will be called into question. This case is supposed to be separate than the Haleigh investigation, yet the prosectution and LE are offering plea deals based on their information on Haleigh? It might be the way things are done, but that does not make it right! And sometimes the legality of it is a basis for appeal!
That’s only my opinion, though.
I hear ya’ robin, and respect those thought.
I still think this is a sting based on a tip of drug dealing by ron and company and they got caught.
If I reported my neighbor, says his name was Don, selling drugs through the window of his home, time afte time. I’m going to tell the police and follow up on the case to make sure something was moving forward if I kept seeing the activity. I’d just take a little phone video and email it to the police and DA. If that didn’t work, we take it up higher.
Cops want to bust criminals, that’s why they do what they do for a living. Not all, but 99%. This was going to be an easy bust and it was. Misty dealt 8 times on camera if I have that number right.
An let us have then appeal on any grounds they like if they are wrongfully convicted by a judge or jury.
They will plead guilty because they have no defense. They can spend their time in jail helping an attorney prepare the appeal. That will give them something to do.
If hope wanted to appeal her sentence saying she didn’t know what she was doing after being asked and signing the plea deal after it was understood that she could understand what was happening to her.
Hell, I’d let her withdraw the plea and go to trial. She’s on video as well, but, that’s not the way it works, you plead to avoid the inevitability and accept the terms. Guilty people are guilty in real life. The prisons are full of innocent people in that ‘world’ but when you really look at their case, they a3ent. But, the appeal system is in place for those who are wronged. None of the players here have been wronged, they did the wrong doing and will have to pay the price.
And, to hear hope threaten to be worse when she got out…wow, what a endearing comment.
She has 30 days to appeal. There are 10 or so days left. What’s the hold up I wonder?
texasmommy39 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
When facts are debated it can be very interesting ,but, when you are debating rumors it is not.
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texasmommy you wouldn’t know facts if they came up and bit you in the behind. Sometimes I wonder what fantasy world you live in and I am glad I don’t live there.
What is it with this site and these people who come on here just to start trouble? Do they have nothing better to do? Don’t comment on their posts anymore. Just report them to Jan and leave it at that. They need to be deleted and banned, not responded to by anyone here.
That has made me stay away all day and most of tonight. I don’t have tolerance for them or for reading a post trying to defend oneself against these people. The posts are supposed to be about the article…correct?
Jaba–I just want you to know I enjoy your posts. Your passion for justice shows through. Even though we do not agree, I respect and value your insight! There are a lot of people in prison that are innocent, and the appeals has not helped them one single bit. I think you are right stating the appeals process are for those that are wronged. Its sad to say that once you are in the system it is damn near impossible to get out (and the appeals process takes years at that). The appeals process seems to be geared for the guilty–they usually get out on a technicality (something trivial that has absolutely nothing to do with the case or their guilt). The appeals process does not take into consideration the victim’s families and the suffering that they have all ready endured. With this case, I can guarantee there will be appeals. We have seen the videos and no doubt no one twisted their arms to be in the situation they were in. But LE’s big mistake is not separating the two cases, even though they have said they did. They only netted the people they have focused on since day one of the Haleigh investigation. They gave them astronomical bonds, knowing they could never post them. Then they immediately began the questioning on the Haleigh investigation. Like I said all along, justice should be fair for all. And I have also stated, this a defense lawyer’s dream, and I wholeheartedly believe that. JMO
Cool, robin!
Part of the dream will be very low pay to appeal case with video and witness statements and if ron testifies against the other implicating himself and the others, ouch, prison will be home for awhile.
LE can use sting operations as long as they are legally set up. If not, then they deserve to lose the case.
We’ll have to see. Next week should be fun.
I saw art harris report a bombshell about lindsey filing for divorce with NO mention that it happened weeks ago, like it was something he just learned, which seems to be the way you structure one of those shows. Like the misty/bones thing. But, for people who don’t keep up with what we do, they think, wow, Bombshell Tonight!!yahoooooo!
Tues night ng ‘s show was reporting on the asian girl found dead after leaving the barnes and noble…after showing a graphic abd stating her remains were found, they went to break showing the tip line to call if you find her. Had her description and all and if you have seen her call in. She was at the coroners office for pete’s sake. Poor execution on that. Its a prime time show. Learn to edit, you know?…sheeesh!
And, robin, I appreciate all the posters here who have a theory they AREN’t too lazy to back up. They don’t just throw the same mantra over and over with no clear back up. Monica’sdress And to me, when you run out of reasonableness or confirmation on the ‘shock comments’ one throws out, its just predictable and boring. Then again, we have new readers here and they don’t always see enough content to make the connection with all the facts and suspicions.
I’d be happy to be wrong if none of these folks knows anything about
Haleighs disappearance, it doesn’t appear that way to me, that’s all.
WOW This has been the most heated night I have seen on this site in a long time.
This is interesting : Gainesville Sun
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/ARTICLES/100519677?Title=Lawyer-says-Tommy-Croslin-is-cooperating-in-Haleigh-case
Werter also said Croslin was the source of a tip to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement that led to an extensive search of the St. Johns River last month. Authorities said no human remains were found. Other items that were found are being analyzed.
“For the cooperation he has been giving over the Haleigh Cummings case, I would try to argue (his sentence) down…,” Werter said. “We brought him to FDLE in Putnam County and that’s how they ended up at the river — through Tommy’s help. Otherwise this case would still be in a quagmire. We have the dots, it’s just connecting them.”
Breaking news! Tommy Croslin’s attorney drops a bombshell- he claims his client now says Haleigh Cummings died in the trailer. This shocking news comes as new jail tapes emerge between Tommy Croslin and his grandmother where Tommy points the finger at cousin Joe in Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance. We have all the latest breaking news and the brand new jail tapes only on Nancy Grace at 8 & 10 pm ET on HLN!
I heard the tape. Where does it say she dies in the trailer? Did I miss that part? I copied the above paragraph from NG HomePage. Can anyone fill me in? Did TC say she died in the trailer? I didn’t hear that?
TracyM said,in May 13th, 2010 at 11:15 pm texasmommy39 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
When facts are debated it can be very interesting ,but, when you are debating rumors it is not.
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texasmommy you wouldn’t know facts if they came up and bit you in the behind. Sometimes I wonder what fantasy world you live in and I am glad I don’t live there.
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Did this make you feel better?
HELLO? Where is everyone? Can someone please answer my question above? Curiosity is killing me!!
I’m kinda new here and now I feel like everyone is gone:(?
Nikki6 look at simons’s article. At the bottom of it is a link to the audio of Tommy. That has lively commenting at this time. Hope that helps. Also remember to refresh after commenting or it might look like no body has posted in a long time. By the time you comment and post, it is common to also see several more comments come in at the same time if it is active.
TracyM said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
texasmommy39 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
When facts are debated it can be very interesting ,but, when you are debating rumors it is not.
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texasmommy you wouldn’t know facts if they came up and bit you in the behind. Sometimes I wonder what fantasy world you live in and I am glad I don’t live there.
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Tracy surely you have something better to do then come on BNN just to be an ass.
come on people as a recovering drug addict i can tell u that even though you abuse drugs that in no way proves that you would kill your child get off ron yes he needs to be punished for the drug charges but he dosent need people blaiming him for the death of his precious daughter instead of killing him with your tongue try praying for him this could have easily happened to any one who has ever touched a drug
Ronald will pay for the rest of his life for getting involved w/the Croslins.. Had he NOT met that pack o wolves his lil girl would still be with him.
Hopefully , he wasnt as stupid to go along with Misty unless he was working w/ the cops..Never know what will come from this yet……
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