Having run this program for almost 18 months I should not be surprised by anything that happens in either of these cases. But, you can still find surprises.
Today’s program featured the Crime Doctor Denny Griffin. I like Denny, and for once he actually called in a few minutes early, this is a big help as it gives me a chance to discuss the the direction I see the program going in. Denny explained that he was not travelling alone today, he had Andrew DiDonato with him! Hmm, my mind went into overdrive. How was an ex Gambino crime family member going to fit into a program about two missing and almost certainly dead little girls? It turned out that Andrew just wanted to say hello. If you do not know the name Andrew DiDonato then check out his new DVD Surviving The Mob.
Also on the panel was ace reporter TJ Hart from Gainsville, Florida, his 50,000 watt station The Sky 97.3 owns the Haleigh Cummings story. You don’t hear BLOCKBUSTER from this buster, you just hear the truth.
Peter Hyatt is an investigator for the state of Maine, he is well versed in the forensic science of ‘statement analysis’. In a nutshell, he reads statements from people involved in crime situations and determines if they are playing naughty or nice.
Jan Barrett was my co-host, and I know this was a program that she was not looking forward to. She hurt herself earlier today and was in a great deal of pain. The last thing in the world she wanted to do was take part in the program. So, a big Happy Mothers Day to my wife (and an even bigger thank you for putting up with me)
Although we bill this program as a look back at the cases, we often look forward as well.
The Caylee Anthony case has garnered a good deal of attention in the past few weeks. I think it is fair to say that not all of it has been good for the defense. A hearing last Thursday made that abundantly clear. Jose Baez does seem to have positioned himself in an ugly corner. Round Two of this match begins at 9am Monday, I will be watching!
On the Haleigh Cummings case there seems to be little progress on some fronts. However, when you have people like Denny Griffin and TJ Hart to offer commentary you start to see a different picture,
Equally important was Peter Hyatt, we missed a great deal in the opening of this investigation, and much of what Peter offers is very pertinent to the case.
You can catch the entire program here. It is worth listening to.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackGreat show today.
Denny Griffin had some interesting things to say today. although i only caught approximately 15 min. of the show, everyone had thought-provoking ideas.
thanks simon and jannie
Terrific show Simon, Jan and crew..Hope you feel much better soon, Jan.
Terrific show Simon, Jan and crew..Hope you feel much better soon, Jan.
Mama..I done killed a man..put a gun up to his head…pulled th trigger now he’s..dead. I didn’t mean to make u cry….but if I’m not home this…time tomorrow…I’ll carry on….Happy Mommy Day!!!
Haleigh: Ur mom may have failed to care for u. Lucky u, u have a million other mom’s tht would love to have u as their daughter.
….I’ll carry on!
Jan God bless you and I hope u have enjoyed ur Day of glory so far. Thnk you for ur envolvement with missing children.
We all know in th world of missing kids, one
voice turns into a hundred, a hundred into a thousand, and a thousand into millions….and whn a million voices are heard…children come home!
Thank you Jan. And a happy mom’s day to u.
Simon we r next!!! Lol
I agree toughcookie denny rocked today!
Jan I hope you feel better soon.Simon i always enjoy the show.To you,an your guest,thank you!
Hope all U ladies had a Great Mothers Day! I sure did!
I just took a peek at Lindsys YouTube page and as of 8 hours ago it says I hate Tommy now and all his crosin (croslin?) trash family.
I thought that was interesting.
Other than that nothing new:(
I wish these people would just fess up already. That poor little girl is better of with God than these wack jobs.
I think Ron was trying to hurry and call around to get help in finding Haleigh, when he said [paraphrased] “Where’s my phone – we’ve got better people to call . . .”.
She hates tc for what she knows he had to do with Haleihs disappearance.
She knows misty knows too. The noose is tightening ever so slowly.
I’m still wondering who Misty talked to when she called Tim and Chelsea’s before she made the 911 call, and what she talked about.
When the 911 call was made, I think Ron really wanted help finding Haleigh.
Jason,I thought he was on the phone with TN when the 911 call was made!
No doubt I am wrong again,lol
misty called tim and chelsea before 911??? when was this released? How could we all miss this detail? When Chelsea herself said she found out when her and tim were laying in bed when they got the call, thought it was a joke until they heard sirons in the background…
I’m sick of rumors !?!?!?!?
CathyJo, I’ve heard that, too – it could be a rumor.
Reporters Dana Treen and Kate Howard wrote that
Chelsea “had been urging the Sheriff’s Office to search the area off Shell Harbour Road since shortly after Haleigh disappeared”,
and that “Bowling said it was the first time he heard about the location tip, although investigators have seen those letters”.
I recall reading a letter from Misty, in which she talked about Joe, but don’t recall if the letter was to Chelsea.
So, if Gary Bowling of PCSO is telling the truth, none of the letters in which Misty talked about who did what, contained a ‘location tip’.
The letter may have been posted through a link
Simon put up – I’m going to check.
http://www.gethiried.jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-04-15/story/sheriff-comfortable-calling-haleigh-cummings-case-homicide
From all the comments by the jail trio, it makes me think they know what happened.
shayshay @ 11:17pm, good catch! You’re right – I don’t have a source for this rumor that I accepted as fact. Thanks for pointing it out!
Might give credence to ‘when a lie is repeated enough times, it becomes fact’ – It may NOT be true!
Another one that I wonder about is the cell phone pings. I’ve heard more than 20, and more than 90. But, has anyone seen a release from the police about how many calls were made from Ron to Misty?
Words of wisdom from Annette Syke’s [paraphrased]: Show me the proof!
I can see a guy making 20 calls to an uncooperative girlfriend that just got back from a 3 day party where she is sleeping with Wboygreg. He wants to talk, or yell at her or make sure she doesn’t have this guy over to the MH.
90 calls would be serious overkill. But, if he just hits redial, redial, redial…then 90 adds up quick.
Of he were trying to direct a cover up, his participants certainly weren’t very helpful in their communcation with him.
Anyone have a link to video or a news article of Chelsea saying that she was up late working on insurance papers?
Jason, I think that video is at Art’s, her first interview with Art
Jaba @ 12:02, whether 20 or 90 calls, I can’t say, and I wonder how Art Harris or anyone else can, unless LE told them.
Thanks, Vaquera – I’ll check his site.
Wow jason I am impressed, I was sure I just started a blog war. That was refreshinng being able to counter a post without being attacked. I like the way that was handled. You sir have a good night, good luck sifting through for the chelsea article
I agree jaba I think they all know… except Donna Brock *lol*
Croslin tells cops: No one was home
Published: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:10 AM EDT
Croslin told investigators he went to the house about 10 p.m. on Feb. 9 at the request of Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s father, who had been trying to reach Misty Croslin by telephone for two hours.
“He had tried more than 20 times, and those calls went unanswered,” sheriff’s Maj. Gary Bowling said Monday, citing telephone records obtained by authorities.
In addition, Bowling and other sheriff’s officials have said Misty Cummings’ statements to investigators have been inconsistent and that she has walked out of at least one interview.
On Monday, Misty Cummings’ attorney disputed her brother’s statements to investigators.
“Misty says she was there, so that’s that,” Robert Fields said. “He didn’t go in, so there’s no way he could have verified that she wasn’t there.”
Fields said there was no proof Hank Croslin Jr. went to the house that night.
“He might just be telling investigators what they want to hear,” Fields said. “He might not even remember that night. There’s so many problems with that it’s almost countless.”
Article:
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/arti…ews/news01.txt
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Were Haleigh, stepmom home? Calls, interview cast doubt
Published: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 3:46 p.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 3:46 p.m.
Ryan said that phone records show that Ronald Cummings made 20 attempts to reach Misty during the evening of Feb. 9. Hank Croslin, who lived down the street, told investigators that Cummings asked him to check on Misty, Haleigh and Cummings’ 3-year-old son, Ronald Cummings Jr., who Cummings believed were all at the mobile home where they lived as a family.
Hank Croslin told investigators that when he arrived at the home at about 9:45 p.m. there were no lights on inside and no one answered the door when he banged on it.
“What Hank Croslin told us is contrary to what Misty told us,” Ryan said.
Misty previously told investigators that she put the children to bed and was doing housework before she went to bed sometime around 10 p.m.
Article:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2…ew-casts-doubt
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Ryan is the under sheriff Ricky Ryan.
THX, shayshay – good nite to you, too, and thanks for calling me out on that.
Vaquera, and shayshay, I found the article in which AH quotes Chelsea on the insurance paperwork on a 10/05/2009 page:
“We’d just left Gainesville, dropping (Misty’s mother) Lisa off to be with Hank at the hospital. I’d been up late trying to figure out insurance claims for our car that was wrecked, dealing with an injured father in law and then, we go to sleep and about 4 a.m., and I get a phone call.”
Didn’t Joe say he was also visiting someone at the hospital that night and if so was he with Timmy/Chelsea??
see she changed it from we stayed up late to saying a couple of weeks ago Timmy went to bed early and she stayed up late..
Good show, Simon and all the guests. There were some good ideas on the case. Next week, we may have some new information to talk about unless the sentencings for the 13th are canceled.
LP said, tonight, that he had decided for sure that he wasn’t going to bail Ron out. He said that Ron’s family had told him that Ron was offered a deal for 15 yrs. I know that is what Ron said, I believe it was in the jailhouse interview. Since LP decided not to bail Ron out, that may be the reason that the bond reduction hearing was canceled. Ron may have not had the money, even if the bond had been lowered.
LP said he decided not to bail Ron out because he was afraid that Ron would make good on one of his threats to kill somebody.
If that really is Lyndsy saying that she hates Tommy and his whole Croslin family, I wonder what she found out. I could tell she was changing, but going from love to that kind of hate is awfully drastic. She and Timmy and Chelsea were real close, and I wonder if she has turned against them, too. There is no telling what she has found out, but we may find out soon. LE may have asked her to not give details. I feel sorry for the children.
Karon said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 12:56 am
Good show, Simon and all the guests. There were some good ideas on the case. Next week, we may have some new information to talk about unless the sentencings for the 13th are canceled.
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Karon,
There are NO sentencing hearings next week. Both Ron and Tommy have their continued Pre-trial hearings on May 13th. How can anyone have a sentencing hearing when no one has had a trial and been found GUILTY? At the pre-trial hearings trial dates will be set for both Ron and Tommy. If Ron really is taking a plea, then obviously a trial date will not be needed for him. Perhaps we will know more about that next week.
would someone please post the link for me for lindsy’s page?? can’t find her in regular search on myspace.
*thanks*
Glad you found that jason through all the dirt. Chelsea… somethings not right there.
Vaquera your from florida? Question, how late can you purchase beer in that state? Here in Michigan its 2am…just wondering. Thanks!
J:
Thank you for the information. I didn’t know if Ron or Tommy was going to plead not guilty or do what Hope did and plead no contest. After what Hope got I didn’t think they would do that, but Tommy said he didn’t want a jury trial. I haven’t been able to get any information on any of this.
They CAN plead at the pre trial or just get a trial date set as if they are going to fight it, which they have every right to do, and then keep negotiating. I imagine their lawyers have seen the tapes and are advising based on that right now. If there is an exculpatory info that might free them, then that would be the proverbial Bombshell Tonight!! I don’t think there is. They are probably doomed.
Ron should counter offer 7.5 years and see what the DA will do. Imo, he aint getting any sweetheart deal unless he knows something concrete about Haleighs disappearance and can hep convict the perp or perps. He hasn’t done it yet that we know of.
LP is smart on this one.
No bondsman willing to bail him out would be a good reason to cancel a bond hearing.
Interesting show Simon & Jan. good panel. My impression of Peter is that he is very confident in his appraisals, and well spoken, well versed. Denny Griffin very intelligent, good analyst. I think the questions put forth were excellent and addressed a lot of our concerns. Thanks.
Good Morning everyone,Casey will be in a hearing this morning.More motions for Judge Perry to rule on.
Simon,Jan,an guest i enjoyed listening to the show yesterday.
Jan i do hope your feeling better this morning.
Praying always for anwsers,about Haliegh.Im like Mrs Sykes.I will hold out hope,untill i see proof.
toughcookie, here is the link to Lindsys YouTube page
http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
Fox news said the hearings could contain talk of the proposed death penalty for casey, ouch.
Chelsey and Lindsy were the first ones to throw JO under the bus. They called LE and told them about the van being used that night. Chelsey said the van was moved and scratched. LE took the van into custody, and sent LE to question JO, based on what Chelsey and Lindsy said.
Then Chelsey said she was up late doing paperwork AND she also said she is a light sleeper and would have heard if anybody took the van and then returned it.
Which is it Chelsey? Did somebody sneak the van out that night or not? Who would Chelsey and Lindsy be protecting by throwing JO under the bus so early in the investigation? My guess would be they would protect their husbands before they would protect Misty or anybody else.
toughcookie said,in May 10th, 2010 at 1:13 am would someone please post the link for me for lindsy’s page?? can’t find her in regular search on myspace.
*thanks*
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http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
toughcookie said,in May 10th, 2010 at 1:13 am would someone please post the link for me for lindsy’s page?? can’t find her in regular search on myspace.
*thanks*
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go to utube and copy n paste this after the .com
in the address bar.
/user/LindsyLPN
If it true that the father called 20 to 90 times and a co-worker of his said they were argueing over the phone that evening about Haleigh not wanting to go to bed , makes my theory of Haleigh dying later from injuries by being hit or kicked by her father before he left for work even more plausible. Simon said at the close of the show that the theory of Haleigh being dead before the father went to work must be put to rest. I , for one , have never said Haleigh was dead before the father left for work. My theory is that Haleigh was either hit upside the head or kicked in the mid-section because she tried to step in when the ex-newlyweds agruement turned physical and died later that evening from her injury. With the father calling so many times to check on Haleigh’s condition and the report from the co-worker that Haleigh was giving the ex-bride fits , makes me believe that Haleigh was suffering and slowing dying. With DCF being involved in the past , they didn’t want to seek out medical attention for Haleigh because then they would have to explain her injury.
As someone posted on the other story on this blog , there are many children in the same situation as Haleigh. I don’t know the stats , but I bet children Haleigh’s age die from child abuse more than any other reason. I just read to many stories where a caretaker seeks medical attention for a child and then child dies. It is found later through an autopsy that the child died from injuries due to child abuse. I think there have been 4 stories in my area alone about what I’m saying in the past couple of months. Imagine to stories worldwide each day?!
Like I’ve said , this is a classic case of Haleigh dying at the hands of her caretakers due to child abuse. They are so willing to come with a story that very few can even to begin to believe only for them to return to life as usual by doing and dealing drugs. For the past 15 months there has been nothing but lies about what happened to Haleigh , and I don’t need them to take a polygraph to tell me they’ve been lying. They returned to their lifestyle soon after , got caught in a police sting and look at what they face now. I dont think there will ever be true justice for Haleigh at this point , but the people responsible in Haleigh death are exactly where they belong. GOOD RIDDANCE !!! I hope they rot in prison !!!
If Ron was calling, knowing somethin had happened before he left for work, then misty would have been picking up to have ron tell her what to do, imo.
I’m also not sure the overheard converstaion by his co worker was the same night? I could be wrong.
I still think something happened after he left.
Just having them in jail, I suppose, is something. But the details of what happened need to be known, and they need to answer for them.
Great show Simon.
I also listen to Levi Page show and Misty has sent another letter to brother Timmy. This letter is suppose to have detail of what happened to Haleigh.
If gma sykes can be believed, the 7-7:30 visit she made says ron was already gone.
She is his gma’ so, would she lie? Not sure when she gave that account.
7-3 am, is the time period of when those kids were alone with misty, right? Now that tommy recanted ever going there. If he was there, he knows exactly what happened, as he says now, but he didn’t do anything. That’s what they all say.
I believe Tommy was there that night but I don’t believe he was banging on the door and nobody was home. Inside every lie is a bit of truth.
Who would ever place themselves at a crime scene IF they were not really there?
The female prosecutor in Casey Anthony’s case should’ve NEVER said CA was “scantily clad” in these party photos, she only proven Jose’s point.
I am sure she know she messed up.
According to the ex-bride’s original lie , she NEVER ONCE mentions the father’s grand-mother coming over. All she ever said was her brother , his children , and the A/C guy came over. She said they left around 5:30-5:45. Here’s the ex-newlyweds original lie in an interview three days after the 911 call:
5:50 is where the ex-bride said who came over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc&feature=related
It was the father’s grand mother who came out DAYS later and said she came over at 7:00-7:30 only to cover up more for her grand-son!
Vaquera, on NG Ron and his attorney were on and it was about the disagreement between Ron and Misty. NG asked about all the calls. Ron said there was not really an argument, just a small disagreement. Rons attorney said that Ron made that call to Tommy at 9pm. That means Ron actually only called Tommy 30 min later, instead of 2 hours per Ron and his attorney.
Good Morning LFJ….anything new?
OMG! Jan was here scolding all day yesterday. Fussing between bloggers, amuck….
I’ve been accused of spreading rumors and not backing up my blogs/opinions with links/facts.
I’ve stayed on the down low.
OJ’s glove said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 7:32 am
toughcookie said,in May 10th, 2010 at 1:13 am would someone please post the link for me for lindsy’s page?? can’t find her in regular search on myspace.
*thanks*
xxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
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I am almost positive this is NOT Lindsy’s youtube acct. Someone copied her photo from her My Space picture and created this. If you notice she has her My space on “private”. Why would she do that and then be public on youtube?
I have heard that she has asked youtube to remove it that it is a fraud and they have not done so.
LP said last night on Levi’s show that Ron has cut a deal for 15yrs, if you believe that….
Hey Stilllucy….well, this IS Simon and Jan’s “House” so I suppose it is their right to “scold”. Sometimes we all get a little too passionate about defending our positions and theories….I know I am certainly guilty of that! LOL
With this case knowing what is fact and what is rumor is difficult. Since no charges have been filed to date, the Sunshine Law doesn’t come into play with presenting the evidence so we aren’t privy to what LE knows. Add that to the fact that ALL the key players in this case have changed their stories so many times that keeping them straight is next to impossible. But I do think most everyone here will state it is their opinion if they don’t have “facts” to back it up. Fact, unfortunately, is very difficult to find in this case so all we have is opinions…and BOY do our opinions vary! LOL
Don’t take it personal Stilllucy. The fighting does get old. I need to mind my manners too and keep my crabby comments in check. LOL
Great show.
I do not believe that Haleigh was gone before Ron went to work, but that does not mean he couldn’t be just as guilty of her death as anyone else. If Haleigh is gone because of their dealings with drug dealers and the like, who could care less about human life, then he is guilty by association. When you make deals with the devil…
Sleep is good!!… I really really recomend it to some of y’all. U might even get some fresh thoughts instead of repeating th same thing over again. Just a thought.
Don’t get caught with any unprescribed pills in FL…u might catch th deth penalty before u enter a court room. our prisons r filled with addicts. While all along these assholes tht hurt and steal kids roam th streets free lurking in shadows waiting to strike. Waiting to take our kids.
Parents: please keep some kind of weapon in ur house. If one of these scums enters ur home, make sure u aim for th head. Protect ur kids by any means. There’s a registered child molester in my neighborhood. I just found out. He is a Doctor…Still! I told him yesterday if he lays an eye on my kids, I will lay his eyes on th street. This whole child abuse, missing kids BS is on my nerves. In prison these assholes don’t stand a chance. They’re stabbed nearly to death their first day, segregated th next. But out here in th streets they can roam around like good citizens. F tht!
Who has seen “Th Lovely Bones”???? These assholes live right next to you!
EYES OPEN PARENTS…..we will win this fight.
Mess with my kids and I will kill you!!!!!
Sry but I’m F’ing pissed. The Realtor who sold me this house never told me abt a predator in my mist. And he knew I had 5 kids. Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!
I do not believe anything Leonard Padilla says. I stopped listening to him along time ago. I have officially dropped the “bombshell” queen as well. I’m not guilty of being her number one fan. I’m guilty of sanitizing my mind of her germ-like reporting.
JB: That’s my point exactly. Between all these involved players, they’ve all changed their stories and flat out lied so much, it’s impossible to keep track of who said what when.
And for me to be accused of starting rumors, what a joke….Everything I talk about, we have all talked about on here for a few weeks now. Oh well, different day, and I’m sure another different story.
Peter Hiatt was interesting.
shayshay said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 1:16 am
Glad you found that jason through all the dirt. Chelsea… somethings not right there.
Vaquera your from florida? Question, how late can you purchase beer in that state? Here in Michigan its 2am…just wondering. Thanks!
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not from Florida but did check out beer sales at the area stores and that store he went too did sell beer at that time. Some stop selling early and some do not.
I just watched “The Lovely Bones” yesterday. I may get the worst parent award, but I let my kids watch it too. They got a good understanding of what mommy means when she says don’t go with or talk to any strangers. My youngest daughter made a good point while watching it. She said, but that girl knew the strangers name. I told her that a stranger is anyone who makes you feel uncomfortable. Anyone who gives you that creep vibe. Stay away. Better to hurt someone’s feelings than end up dead.
Hi Looking for justice, I missed your post to me yesterday until hours later. Just wanted you to know I missed it, wasn’t ignoring you.
I didn’t realize that Ron’s attorney said that Ron called Tommy about 9. I guess that is one of few things Tommy hasn’t lied about. Well maybe. LOL
Yes Treece. You can find it also @ Jacksonville.com written by Dana Treen Sept 23, 2009 Mistys Brother: She wasn’t home the night Haleigh Cummings vanished.
I hope everyone had a great Mothers Day.
Lindsy herself has come out and said that is not her youtube nor her myspace page that people are linking to.
Leonard said that the family of Ronald Cummings told him that there was an offer of 15 years for a plea agreement on the table right now for Ronald.
This applies to the drug charges only as there is no charges against Ronald at this time other than the drug charges. I don’t know if Ronald has drug charges against him in St John’s County or not but charges would not be included in the plea agreement I don’t believe.
Shockwave
thts actually great parenting. U can’t keep ur kids blind. I walked my kids by this Doctor. So they can see him and he can see thm. Thn I let him know if he touched thm I would kill him. He saw th truth in my eyes. Thn called th cops. Reeling thm I threatened him. I told th cops tht if he touched my kids I will kill him. Th cops looked at my kids. And said to keep my feelings to myself or they can get me in trouble. I said good. No filter between my words and emotions.
Sry just venting.
jaba said,in May 10th, 2010 at 8:08 am If Ron was calling, knowing somethin had happened before he left for work, then misty would have been picking up to have ron tell her what to do, imo.
I’m also not sure the overheard converstaion by his co worker was the same night? I could be wrong.
I still think something happened after he left.
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No the rumored call was not on the same night
Hey JB!! I was checking out the Dunns Creek Bridge. I had told Tobias that I would. The search prior to Shell Harbour that took place on Hoot Owl rd Is a little less than a quarter mile from the Dunns Creek bridge. If traveling north on 17 there is a dirt rd that you turn left on it is called Dunns Creek rd. it goes beside and under the bridge. Woods all around. On the right side of road approaching the bridge there is nothing but woods until you almost reach the top of the bridge and there is where you can see the St. Johns river. There is no lighting on the bridge. This is where Ron told Amber Brooks if he were going to get rid of a body this is where he would dump it.
That’s classic. I don’t believe he said that, mind you I don’t think he’s involved
I wanted to post on this new blog, but looks like the subject keeps getting repeated that they were told to drop. Stop talking about it. I don’t really care what someone accused you of in another blog. You are just starting crap again.
Looking for Justice, that’s the first I heard that Ron said that to Amber. I thought that was the statement Joe made at the lake when he was fishing.
I wonder why Misty is writting to others what happened yet she does not help herself by telling what she knows to police
shockwave, I so agree Leo Prickdilla is full of hot air and seems to change his story with the weather. Such an attention hound.
I think another thing to remember is that a persons lawyer will say their client is innocent no matter what (till ‘proven’ otherwise). That is part of their job.
Jen M . No this came out early on. That interview with Amber Brooks was done by AH.
looking for Justice said,in May 10th, 2010 at 10:37 am Jen M . No this came out early on. That interview with Amber Brooks was done by AH.
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And people take Art’s word as gospel? wow
Armando, I love your father’s heart and your open honesty, wish there were more dad’s like you.
No I personally do not take AH word as gospel. It was an interview he had done with Amber Brooks. Perhaps she lied who knows.
He has not posted audio of any interviews with Amber. He says that Amber says that Ron says…
Please just read it. You don,t have to believe it. I have read it. Perhaps we should use the word alledgedly that Ron told that to Amber.
I have read it, thanks, just don’t believe Art.
Much like Art saying 90 calls, and also the story about Joe and the gators, what Ron actually said was not what Art “reported”. And so on, and so on
All we really have is what these people say. We have no facts because everyone involved in Haleigh’s life have lied repeatedly. We are not privy to what LE has so all we can do is discuss and relay what we’ve seen or heard in interviews. That is all we have to go on. Every single one of us has built our opinion based on what we’ve seen and heard. And unfortunately most of what we’ve seen and heard are lies. Until there are arrests we will not have evidence, facts, sworn statements, LDT results or anything else. Knowing all of this, all ANY of us has is nothing more than opinion….and we’re all entitled to it.
I have read it, thanks, just don’t believe Art. Or Amber for that matter.
Much like Art saying 90 calls, and also the story about Joe and the gators, what Ron actually said was not what Art “reported”. And so on, and so on
sorry for the double post
Curious, you can go here on BNN and listen for yourself about Ron and the gators. There is tape available between Ron and Cobra. On some HollysGmom was kind enough to transcribe. Therefore, you do not have to believe AH just listen to Ron.
Thanks, I did listen to Ron, and what Ron said is not at all what was reported by Art. Art had a habit of doing that.
Hey JB, I did reply to you. Do not want you to think I missed your post. I hope you had a nice Mothers Day. I am feeling much better today. My bronchitis is almost gone. Breating much easier.
I am not worried what was reported by AH. The info is here at BNN reported by Simon, Jan and TJ. As far as I know AH does not have these tapes. They are a BNN EXCLUSIVE.
LFJ – Sorry…I’m a bit hit and miss right now….been trying to catch up from the weekend. It definitely seems like the mood in here has changed. Trying to figure out what happened. I think everyone is getting fed up with no movement in this case and raw nerves are exposed. Everyone is just a WEE bit testy! LOL
Yes, I had a wonderful Mother’s Day. I’m glad you are getting rid of that nasty bronchitis. That can be tough to get over during season changes. You may have a cough for a long time. Take care of yourself!
I don’t beleive AH or NG and half the stuff they say. I think it is for shock effect and they are just another part of the media frenzy.
I think LE has ‘shut down’ because of stuff like this. It has spun out of control, especially lately!
looking for Justice said,in May 10th, 2010 at 11:14 am I am not worried what was reported by AH. The info is here at BNN reported by Simon, Jan and TJ. As far as I know AH does not have these tapes. They are a BNN EXCLUSIVE.
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Did you listen to this? http://www.youtube.com/user/floodofnoah#p/a/u/1/u6jCPEyYJ9s
Go figure he still talks to Tim Holmseth
JenM said,in May 10th, 2010 at 11:23 am I don’t beleive AH or NG and half the stuff they say. I think it is for shock effect and they are just another part of the media frenzy.
I think LE has ’shut down’ because of stuff like this. It has spun out of control, especially lately!
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I agree with you
Yes I was catching up to. You are right the mood in here has changed. I realize it is frustrating though. I hope they move soon. Don’t tell us you broke the case and leave us hanging. Although, at the same time I do not want any mistakes made and hope they get a slam dunk case and give Haleigh the justice she deserves!!!!!
Armando – it’s scary. When my oldest daughter was 5 we went to her 5-year doctor immunizations, etc. The doctor asked her…what do you do when a stranger asks you to get in the car with him? She said (because she knows to obey older people), I would get in the car. My heart dropped to the floor. I had this conversation with her several times before the Dr. visit, and still it had not sunk in. I feel like “The Lovely Bones” was an eye-opener. I can only hope so.
are there some posts missing because some of the last posts do not make any sense?
Just because Ron said it was joe that said it doesnt make it true it could have been what Ron actually said or thought and he made it sound like it came from Joe. That put with the report from Amber makes it really sound similar to what he said to her. I believe Amber gave that interview with Cobra and Art when Cobra bailed them out of jail. The video has never been shown but the one with Nay Nay has. Amber is said to be in rehab and has cleaned up her act. Seems too that she was connected to Jerome Williams I wonder if she was when she was with Ron?jmo
Whatever happened to Amber and drugs and Jerome had to be after the baby was born.The picture of Amber with the baby she is very healthy looking and has a good weight on her.
Hey Tobias. I wish I had taken my camera and took some shots of the bridge for you.I hope the description was alright so you could get a mental pic of what the surroundings were like.
Vaquera you are right that Amber looked reaaly good right after she had Jordan.
That tape where Ron is talking to Cobra is really interesting if you listen to it and take it apart. Cobra asks him if he brought this(drug activity) into his home and Ron says no no one knows where I moved but NayNay. Well does that explain why he move in there 6 wks prior and put new dead bolt locks on? Why he didnt want NayNay there? Did he feel that he had to move so someone wouldnt know where he lived? Possible. Amber was around Jerome Williams (supposed big drug dealer and scarey dude) was she involved with him while she was with Ron? Is that his connection to Jerome?jmo
I wouldn’t want NayNay or Amber or Jerome in my home, don’t blame Ron for that
curious….I wouldn’t want Ron, Misty or Tommy in my house. LOL
I still think that some of the lies and coverup come from trying to keep police out of the picture. I think they like to deal with things among themselves (just because that is the mentality) perhaps in gangs.
Of the three in jail, if I had to pick, I would say that Tommy is the guilty one, Misty is the one that doesn’t really remember and Ron doesn’t know the truth. But that’s just my opinion.
I also think there is a very high possibility that this involves CS family or someone in the house that night that Misty doesn’t want Ron to find out about. If that is true, I think she washed a blanket so Ron wouldn’t find out she had sex with someone. Just my thoughts.
Other than that, Misty seems dense and flat to all that has happened (almost like it was natural cause death or something) and Tommy is too busy trying to convince us he is innocent, everyone else is to blame and that he knows what he is doing when he is high.
Other thoughts are that maybe police suspected everyone felt threatened with these 3 roaming the roads, so now they are locked up and police maybe feel they can get some headway in the community as to what happened, without the fear of these 3? I don’t know, but taking them off the streets and having them look at very lengthy mandatory sentences may be a sigh of releif for some. Hopefully someone will give that one little bit of information that will fill in the missing piece or pieces.
If not, then at least the streets will be safer without 3 druggys doing their thing.
Tobias you make an interesting point. What about the guy Barbara Freeman mentioned, Ace. I thought this was the name she mentionedalong with Donnie Spells being involved in the big drug deals. Perhaps Ron burned the same people these guys were involved with. Donnie Spells is the father of Nay Nays baby.
Interesting post JenM. I don’t think Ron was involved.
It just seems like the finger pointing circle is expanding….IMO
Misty was said to be in and out of the dwelling that Jerome had. She was with NayNay. Barbra knew and told about this and then Jerome told Cobra she had been there too. They (the drug users) had closed Misty out because they didnt want LE down there. I believe this caused Misty to take chances finding her fix and thats when she got mugged. Jerome went to jail for a long time I wonder how they caught him? Did someone set him up or snitch on him?
There is a police report somewhere about Amber being chased by a machete wielding Jerome.I know I read it just cant remember where.jmo
You have to wonder, where do all these people meet? Bars, or more frequently a party of a friend of a friend. It isn’t difficult to believe the wild party theory, and an accidental overdose. I can totally see Misty hauling those kids to wherever and something bad happening. There has to be some explanation as to why there isn’t much evidence at the home. That is, if you aren’t buying the JO scenario. I mean Misty didn’t come to the door when Tommy knocked, but neither did any of the kids. Misty obviously new a whole other group of people to party with besides her brother and Ron. Why didn’t Misty want to babysit? She had somewhere else to be? Just another theory, not something I’m setting in stone.
Yeah, I don’t think Ron was involved, but I think indirectly it had something to do with him. Something to do with his wannabe bad ass attitude and his threats to everyone. Moving and putting deadbolts on the house, etc.
I keep going back to a tape I heard where Ron is saying that someone was mad that he took ‘one of his girls’ (Misty). It is possible that this guy thought, ‘you take one of my girls’, ‘i’ll take one of yours’.
Not sure if that has been brought up before, but seems possible. Maybe this is what Tommy wants Misty to spill about Ron. How he was a pimping and got in a disagreement with the other pimp? Not sure, but I think I recall hearing him say this was his former business partner? Can anyone find that information or that tape? I wouldn’t know where to look.
I remember thinking that it seemed Ron wanted Misty for his own and that made this guy mad. Maybe that’s why he moved, etc. Maybe NayNay ratted him out, because she was friends with Amber and Misty. Some say Amber talked NayNay into trying to screw Misty over (especially since she wrote that letter about the party, etc).
So, these are things I recall but don’t know where to find them.
I remember reading an article where Ronald said perhaps someone was angry with him from the past. I never read an article with these details. I do however believe Ron knows what happened to his daughter and is involved in the cover up in which makes him just as guilty.
If you look at the whole drug dynamic between Ron, Misty,Tommy Amber,NayNay, you see how Jerome Williams fits in. Ron wants Misty away from NayNay because she is around Amber, Jerome and Donnie at least thats what he is claiming. Remember when Ron was with Amber Nay Nay was Ambers friend then too. Could this have all happened and festered for 6 wks? Did Ron move to another place because he did something and when Jerome was off to jail he would be alright? Just a brain twist I have been thinking about. jmo
I sincerly doubted Lindsy made that youtube channel,,,,however,,,in the past week 7 days,,,Lindsy has posted 3 or 4 pics of herself, which I doubt anyone woulkd have had access to….One of the pics looked like they may have been professionaly made ,,,and I now do not believe the channel is someone posing as her….I only make this accessment by the personal (different) pics that have been displayed on her channel…who else would have possession of such pics other that LC herself????? I would hate to think it is her, by the comments she has made, but who really knows with this entire bunch…
Remember Ron likes to get high and likes the powder(UCtape) Jerome is or was the big coke dealer if you look at his arrests.jmo
Tobias I thought Jerome did not go to jail until well after Haleigh disappeared. He was suppose to help get info on Haleigh but before things got set up he got caught and went to jail. They sent him to St. Johns and now he is back in Putnam since Rons arrest. I thought perhaps since Ron said Nay Nay was the only one who knew where he lived there could be possible ties to Donnie. Nay Nay said that Ron did not like her to come around anymore once he got with Misty.
Amber Brooks also got with Donnie Spells after Haleigh disappeared.
No he got bailed by Cobra to help find Haleigh if it was drug related but didnt help so he got put back in. What ever happened to get Jerome caught happened before Haleigh went missing. I am going to go to the dockets to see when his first arrest was that got him all the time he is doing bbl jmo
Thanks Tobias
Native Alien said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Lindsy herself has come out and said that is not her youtube nor her myspace page that people are linking to.
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S VAgirl, I just wanted to make sure you saw this post.
The pics on youtube are pics that someone had stolen when Lindsy had them posted on her Facebook, I believe. Whoever took them have posted and changed them on this youtube a number of times. I think this is accurate info that Lindsy has had nothing to do with that youtube acct. She has asked youtube to delete it and block it and they have not done so yet.
I think Lindsy has enough to be kicked about without out getting blamed for a youtube that she hasn’t done.
She has filed for divorce and according to “her friend” Leonard Padilla, is appalled that Tommy lied about anything to do with Haleigh or hid any knowledge that he had. I think she is repulsed that anyone could do that and relates it to how she would feel if it were her little girl.
Booking Date & Time: 8/5/2008 4:19:54 PM – Booking#: 08-03487
Release Date & Time: 11/6/2008 10:28:50 PM
DOB: 9/9/1971 – RACE: B – SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
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893.147-1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA M 1 $504.00
JEROME RAYMOND WILLIAMS
Palatka , FL
Booking Date & Time: 2/14/2009 1:41:30 AM – Booking#: 09-00663
Release Date & Time: 2/14/2009 9:31:36 AM
DOB: 9/9/1971 – RACE: B – SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
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893.13-6b MARIJUANA-POSSESS NOT MORE THAN 20 GRAMS M F $504.00 2/14/2009 9:25:32 AM
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316.1935-1 FLEE/ELUDE POLICE FAIL TO OBEY LEO ORDER TO STOP F T $2,504.00 2/14/2009 9:26:43 AM
322.03-1 NONMOVING TRAFFIC VIOL OPERATE MOTOR VEHICLE WO VALID LICENSE M S $504.00 2/14/2009 9:27:05 AM
320.261- NONMOVING TRAFFIC VIOL ATTACH REGISTRATION LICENSE PLATE NOT ASSIGNED
The first one I found is 6 weeks before Feb. so that arrest was made before Ron moved. The second is 4-5 days after Haleigh is missing. Just curious. jmo
looking for justice, I thought NAY NAY was with Spells??
tobias, I never knew Cobra bailed out Jerome??
I guess, I am really blonde today!! LOL
looking for Justice said,in May 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pm I remember reading an article where Ronald said perhaps someone was angry with him from the past. I never read an article with these details. I do however believe Ron knows what happened to his daughter and is involved in the cover up in which makes him just as guilty
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IIRC it was right after Tim Miller left the first time because Ron told him per TM that he thought it could be some type of retribution. Hope that helps and I agree I think he is involved in the coverup if not more
No Jerome was out on bail and Cobra asked him to help and Jerome thought if he could get info he could use it for a deal but he said he found nothing. jmo
I asked in another post a couple of questions that never got answered. Maybe someone can answer them here.
1. When Lyndsy said she was at school that night, what was the school for?
2. Also, is she really an LPN? If so, when did she get that license?
I always go back to why wasn’t Ron mad at Misty for cheating on him? Maybe Ron was mad at Misty and jealous. We won’t know about that because if we all knew that Ron was upset over Misty having sex with other men that presents a motive. The kind of motive that leads to highly destructive behavior. Ron put a gun to Misty’s head over the thought that she might know something about Haleigh, or so it seems. Not because he thought she had anything to do with Haleigh missing, but just at the thought of her lying. So what is Ron capable of when he knew Misty was cheating on him after her 3 day binge of sex and drugs?
You are Ron. You just found out your girlfriend cheated on you. You have to go to work anyway. You leave work under the radar after the girlfriend’s brother reported that she didn’t come to the door. You are highly enraged when you get to the house, and you have a gun. You either shoot someone you thought was Misty (kids were not sleeping in their own beds possibly), or your gun goes off on accident. You go back to work asking your girlfriend to clean up the mess because it’s her fault that you are upset in the first place. The next day on camera you are viewed acting as if your child is already dead, and you say “all I want is my daughter back.” You felt horrible so of course you are crying, and you want to go back, but you know you can’t.
Whew, my head is spinning now. For those of you who don’t know me. I constantly theorize. I have know earthly idea what happened. So don’t get pissy if my theory does not match yours.
OK that makes sense about Cobra asking Jerome to help.
Sorry for the confussion about Jeromes bail. He was already on bail when he offered to help .I feel he did and was probably afraid of what he found out possibly. He wanted to be put in St. Johns because he said he had problems with others in jail at PCSD. jmo
JenM, Lindsy was going to school to become an LPN, I believe it was said she had clinicals that night and got home after 10
She is a licensed LPN, license issued in Florida Jan 8, 2010
JenM, I think Lindsy was taking one of her last nursing classes. I believe she has finished and became an LPN since Haleigh has been missing.
shockwave, LOL, not pissy here but can tell you what a lady close to the family said.
When Misty was gone those 3 days Ron thought she was just hanging out with NayNay.
He didn’t find out about her binge or WBG until it came out on the news. If you remember Misty had been hanging on him in almost all the pics and then she was missing a few days. The family said that was when Ron found out about her binge and told her to stay away from him for awhile.
Today, I am just searching around with Dennys theory about the possiblities of Drug dealers binding them together. Its interesting if you look at who everyone is connected to and when.jmo
I just looked up her license myself. Thanks.
However, holding a license myself through the state board (not an LPN), they put the date that you last applied for renewal, not the very original date of issuance, which is confusing.
Anyway, no matter. My point, now knowing that she has this license is that if the board of nursing suspects you have “any” involvement with drugs, they will investigate and can possibley take that license! So, which leads me to say that she may be trying to save her only source of income to support herself and her family is by getting away from Tommy. She doesn’t want to be tied to this stuff for sure. The board of nursing has specific rules and regulations under state legislature that require her to behave in a professional manner at all times. I don’t think she can risk losing her lively hood (ie license) over possible involvement with drugs, a missing child, having her personal life being exposed on tv, or in a ‘possible homicide of a child’. That’s just my opinion.
Shockwave, I don’t think someone could have been shot in that trailer and it NOT been discovered.
It is almost impossible to hide blood now days.
A shooting would have had blood splatters and a huge mess. Plus the dogs would have smelled it.
Don’t you think??
treece, that makes perfect sense about Ron not finding out until after the fact. I remember media being told that Misty was staying with her parents and not at the tent and people speculating they had split up. That is probably when Ron found out the details of her weekend romps.
@ *o.j.* ~ thanks for the link.
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in reading that page, i think perhaps many people are correct…that all those things are posted by someone else, not lindsy. i doubt with all the things going on with her husband’s and in-laws cases, that she would be posting such personal feelings on youtube. they just sound like the comments of a phony who is posting under lindsy’s name.
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on the topic of the child molester, i think one thing all parents should teach their children, beginning when they are very young, is that just because someone may “look” like a nice person, or “act” like a nice person, doesn’t mean they ARE a nice person. bad guys are great pretenders. i taught this to my kids all of their growing-up lives. thisis also a good “life lesson” in general, as many times in life, we need to evaluate people, and make decisions about what they “appear” to be, and what they truly are.
i have learned something over the last year or so, that i don’t know if most people know, generally, about the term “sex offender”.
i have known 2 teenage kids, in the last year, from my (former) small town, who were arrested,and are now doing time, for having sex with their teenage g/f’s. these were consensual situations, neither one was “forced”, or “predatory”. they were both in the context of a “loving” relationship. however, in one case the boy was 20, and his g/f was 17, in the other, the boy was 18, his g/f was 16. the fact that it was consensual, doesn’t matter under the law, as the law is written that a “minor” cannot legally give consent. so, since my (former) town is small, and looking to make an example ( to thwart teen pregnancy, etc ) these boys are looking to have a horrible time ahead of them, as far as harrassment, inability to go to any (decent) college. they will be unable to easy get employment, and the subject of ridicule and perhaps violence for the rest of their young lives, because when they get out, they will have to register for “sex offender” status. when people look up the lists, under “meagan’s law”, it does NOT give specifics…doesn’t explain one’s crime whatsoever, just labels everyone as a sex offender. normally, i am all for the laws to help protect the community…however, does anyone see what i’m getting at here? i think its perhaps crossing the line a bit drastically that these two boys will have to face being “lumped in” with child molesters and rapists and face ridicule and threats by people for the rest of their lives.
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If thats the case then why would he forgive her of that and the fact his daughter is now missing. That makes her messing around even worse. If he knew and forgave her before it would be easy to understand but after, well thats crazy. jmo
WhyLie, thank you for the facts about Lindsy’s nursing.
Yes I believE there should be certain codes for each type of sex offense. JMO
toughcookie, YES, I agree, there needs to be a huge difference in the sentencing and labeling of sexual crimes when it is a willing partner.
There needs to be changes about that.
I think a 19 year old having sex with a 16 year, that is willing, should compare to a 19 year old giving beer to a 16 year old. Yes it is wrong and should have consequences but not be labeled a sex offender. IMO
Whatever you do dont pee in pulic, moon anyone or streak (run nude) otherwise you can be on the list for a sex offense. Those should be on a different type of list imo Also the ones that are 14 or 15 having relations with 16-17 should be rated different. jmo
@ tobias & treece ~ i agree! i understand why the laws are made…but i think they need to seperate and clearly define the teenage relationship (NOT talking about “date rape”, which is a completely different thing),and treat it in a different category as child molesters and rapists.
jmo
We had a dumb drunk guy who lost a Super bowl bet run naked through the square with only boots on last year. He is now on the list. I do think there needs to be ratings.jmo
Lindsys license is easy to look up for those who want to see it for themselves. Go to Board of Nursing, Florida and put in her name. It verifies her license. There is no reported action on it. Meaning no one has reported anything on her. But if they do, it will get a different status. Once the status is resolved, then there will remain an asterik by it forever so that her past records can be seen. I hope she keeps it in good standing.
Actually, Im surprised she was able to get through school and study for boards and pass with all this going on in her life. Amazing.
I also understand her not being able to get a job. Nursing jobs are there, but they want you to work nights and weekends, etc. and when you have little kids, that is hard. Plus she is a new grad with no experience. I wish her a lot of luck in the future…..I just hope she didn’t incriminate herself for lying for that piece of shit husband of hers. It will ruin her career. Nursing is all about trust.
tobias said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
If thats the case then why would he forgive her of that and the fact his daughter is now missing. That makes her messing around even worse. If he knew and forgave her before it would be easy to understand but after, well thats crazy. jmo
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To me it would be much easier to get over my spouse screwing around on me if my child were missing then if they weren’t.
If my spouse went out on me today that would be the biggest most painful problem in my life.
If my child was gone that would be such a HUGE pain it would shrink the minor problem of my hubby screwing around.
Does that make sense??
That being said, I DO NOT think Ron should have married Misty. I think that was poor advice and a poor decision. I don’t think his family should have supported that either.
However, under the circumstances I can believe that none of them were really thinking that clearly.
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LMAO @ tobias … that is actually hilarious!
sounds like he better lay off the sauce in the future !
Actually I thought this was very funny since our town is small and not much goes on. Also as cold as it was and him in just boots made me laugh and I wished I would have been downtown then LOL JMO
I found it rather tacky that sunday Levi brought up the cobra tapes then when Padilla asked where they came from, he quickly diverted the subject. Give credit where credits due.
tobias, I bet the dumb drunk wishes he had kept his boxers on now. LOL
JenM said,in May 10th, 2010 at 12:56 pm I just looked up her license myself. Thanks.
However, holding a license myself through the state board (not an LPN), they put the date that you last applied for renewal, not the very original date of issuance, which is confusing.
Anyway, no matter. My point, now knowing that she has this license is that if the board of nursing suspects you have “any” involvement with drugs, they will investigate and can possibley take that license! So, which leads me to say that she may be trying to save her only source of income to support herself and her family is by getting away from Tommy. She doesn’t want to be tied to this stuff for sure. The board of nursing has specific rules and regulations under state legislature that require her to behave in a professional manner at all times. I don’t think she can risk losing her lively hood (ie license) over possible involvement with drugs, a missing child, having her personal life being exposed on tv, or in a ‘possible homicide of a child’. That’s just my opinion.
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an RN I know got his 2nd dui, his license got pulled. Hes now moving to nevada where the licensing board is more lenient.
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and your welcome TC
Treece , to me it would be the last straw and I would never trust anything a cheater said after that. And the fact he married her bothers me a lot. jmo
Going to listen to Levi show bbl.
tobias, I understand that marriage has thrown alot of people off. There are so many factors and rumors in there that we don’t know the truth about it at all.
LE told him to marry her.
No, it was because Haleigh wanted it that way.
No, it was to keep his enemy close.
No, it was so his wife couldn’t testify against him.(which isn’t true when it comes to a child)
So many people have told different stories that it is even more confusing. Maybe someday we will hear more about it.
I’ve got to run too, talk to yall later.
Sorry guys,Missed Treece by a hair……tonights daughters baby shower so can’t stay long! wanted to catch up
Melissa Huckaby has pled guilty to avoid DP
@ *beast* ~ yes, i saw that this AM as well. i guess at least *someone* is telling the truth about their status…”guilty”. however, i always find it funny that people facing the DP in california are taking plea deals, or changing their plea to avoid it.
the truth is, my state has only executed 13 (!) death row inmates since 1976 !! (yeah, we’re tough on crime here…geez…)
jmo
Wow, today has been very informative!!!!!
Everyone is getting along !!!!! YEAH!!!!!
JenM I like the way you think…. out side the box.
Nay Nay seems to be a person of intrest IMO.
She seems to be a piece that we have not fit into the puzzle; at least not until now, IMO.
If Nay Nay was the only one that knew where Ron moved to, I am willing to bet it was Nay Nay that told someone and then that someone told someone that wanted to know.
Small Town and they all have history together including CS.
The reason that Ron moved was at the sugestion of DCF, the children needed their own room.
I have to ask why would Ron not allow Crystal to know where he lives but never denide her visitations?
I have to ask if Ron knew that HaLeigh was taken by Crystal and or her family some time soon aftr the search was called off would Ron and his family’s reactions, actions and statements from day one to present make sence? I have always seen their actions and statements as subtle personal jabs at CS since the begining.
JMO will try and catchup again later a stay awhile to chat. BBL
tobias said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
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Hi Tobias. When Kim Picazio was posting on WS, she said that Jerome had never met Ron (and I think Misty). She did say Tommy had been seen at his house. She spent a lot of time with Jerome so I tend to believe her.
Yes I agree. Sentencing is one thing, flipping the switch is another. In Canada we have no DP so at least you have that as deterrent.
Jason at 1154: I have the source and the link.
I have talked about the call Misty made to Timmy numerous times. I’ll try and find it.
Does anyone know since Tommy has a bench trial on the 13th will he be tried then or will he have another date after this one? Ron and Misty have jury trials but Tommy from the dockets only has a not guilty plea and bench trial. jmo
LP said on Levi show that Misty sent another more detailed letter to Timmy, wonder what that one says? Another spin on her first letter or is it all new story? Mistys lawyer has his work cut out for him shes a loose cannon.lol jmo
Treece – you confused me I thought I was going to be referring back to two people. I see your point about the gun. On the other point, they were arguing when she returned back from her 3 day outing. I remember that was a big debacle. I think he knew something. She didn’t even want to go back to his house according to Nay Nay when she spoke to Cobra. I still think it has to do with drugs and drugs dealers mostly. I was just tossing something out there. Like I said, my head is spinning. This is the point where I take off for a few days and come back refreshed and energized enough to think rationally about this again. Except for my prayers, the Haleigh case doesn’t really need me. I just care like the rest of us do.
Jason: it was on the Tampa Crime Examiner Site, and also the Cape Cod Newspaper, for those dates of 9-09-2009; also the official statemtent PCSO released re: is on this site the article is titled Haleigh Cummings update: the Cape Cod connection; I had the article where they Officially stated info about the phone records but I am trying to find that one for real proof.(its on my favorites.) Get back to ya later.
I wonder if Tommy will get the same 15 that Hope got? I hope he is talking and telling the truth or he may be another one going away for a long time, 3 days left.jmo bbl
shockwave, I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear on what I was saying. Yes, I think 99% of the one’s following this case care and want what’s best for Haleigh. I have no doubt that is where your heart is at too. But you are correct. Most of us bloggers have stewed, fretted, and been on an emotional merry go round and it hasn’t changed one iota for Haleigh. If anything the many side shows started by outsiders have prevented much time from her. The one thing that is safe to say matters is that we pray for her and her family.
tobias said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
LP said on Levi show that Misty sent another more detailed letter to Timmy, wonder what that one says? Another spin on her first letter or is it all new story? Mistys lawyer has his work cut out for him shes a loose cannon.lol jmo
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If this is true, I think old Art will suck up to his Croslin sources and get it so he can appear on NG with a “bombshell”.
I wonder some with Hardy saying that Misty knows she is in big trouble and is cooperating (or implied that), is she saying things LE tells her to say now? I hope it’s true that she is finally telling them the truth so they can solve the case. The ONLY way she stands a chance of not have a long long sentence is if she works with LE (and is not the one who “did” it).
Lori, LOL, you are right Art will be working on that “bombshell”. I agree with what you said about Misty too. If she not to blame she better be talking.
Lori, LOL, you are right Art will be working on that “bombshell”. I agree with what you said about Misty too. If she’s not to blame she better be talking.
Treece – no need to apologize, I’m the one who is light headed today. It’s Monday, and I’m back at work. Plgghh! (imagine Calvin sticking his tongue out and making that noise). That’s right. I blog at work, but I’m in and out like lightening, and I’ve got my work done. That’s probably why some of my theories don’t stick. I may just stay with the whole drug theory, and then when/if I’m wrong I will only be wrong about one theory instead of ten. LOL!
Shockwave, the reason I am loking at it as a possibility is because like Denny says there has to be a reson they are sticking together and not telling what really happened. Theur lives are in the balance now and its still slow going.jmo
ronfan said,in May 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm Jason at 1154: I have the source and the link.
I have talked about the call Misty made to Timmy numerous times. I’ll try and find it.
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I also have read that, but they put the person as Timmy….It seems to me that it could of been anyone at that residence, no? She dialed the number, but that does not mean she spoke to Timmy. It could of been Chelsea and it could of been Joe. Or maybe no one answered?
I personally would like to see the time her phone called that number, how long was the call and where the cell phone tower pings her location.
That would give us some good pieces to this puzzle, now wouldn’t it. Anyone know where we can find that?
Didn’t Misty talk about LP relocating her to CA under a witness protection program on one of the jailhouse tapes? Or am I dreaming that?
Maybe they are all holding out for this type of program offering, in exchange for information? You never know.
Jen, FBI is the only agency that can offer witness protection. And thats going to be hard to do unless its in outer mogolia or somewhere there isnt TV. Everyone knows their faces.jmo
Tobias – I agree with that. It is weird that they are sticking together. Makes you wonder why? You don’t see Tony trying to carry on a relationship with Casey, or Gabrielle Johnston’s mommy and daddy trying to stick up for one another.
Hmm…I know way too much about these cases.
That makes me think of something else. Why is it that people weren’t afraid to protest in front of the Anthony’s house? People know something we bloggers don’t know about that area???
The Palatka area…in case I confused you.
Fortunately, for all of you who have been in my “wave”, I’m about to go home for the day. Please, applaud silently to yourself. Don’t hurt my feelings. I will come back when my brain has decided to join me. Later. Peace for our children!
I think it would be foolish to protest in that county, and I have a feeling Cobra would agree with that after what happened to him when he ruffled feathers in Putnam county.
Haleigh’s mom was impregnated by a Starman. The Starman father comes from a galaxy far far away. The Starman father was monitoring Haleigh’s life through his Earth TV. The Starman father was fed up with the direction Haleigh’s life was going and traveled many millions of light years to save his Star child from the life she was living. Haleigh’s star family arrived that cold Feb. night and gave the ex-bride a memory forgetting pill. Haleigh is safe and now with her Star family still on her way to their home planet far far away from Satsuma,Fl!!!
If only that were true. I would put in some requests for kids I know.
Well, Bozo didn’t get the trial moved to Miami like he wanted. The idiot really thinks moving the trial to South Florida will help save Casey! He could move the dang trial to the South of France and she would STILL fry for killing her child! The new judge did rule that the jurors would be shipped in and then sequestered during the trial. Good call on his part. This new judge (that the merry Bozo team so desperately wanted) is going to be Bozo’s worst nightmare! LOL LOVING IT!
Haleigh’s mom was impregnated by a Starman. The Starman father comes from a galaxy far far away. The Starman father was monitoring Haleigh’s life through his Earth TV. The Starman father was fed up with the direction Haleigh’s life was going and traveled many millions of light years to save his Star child from the life she was living. Haleigh’s star family arrived that cold Feb. night and gave the ex-bride a memory forgetting pill. Haleigh is safe and now with her Star family still on her way to their home planet far far away from Satsuma,Fl!!!
LMAO
Sorry but gotta say this
So what if:
Ronald was fuming that night that Misty cheated on him that weekend.
what if:
they had the fight at 8:00 phone call, cause Misty wanted to go out. Shut her phone off and invited the guy to come to the MH
what if:
Ronald got really pissed she wouldn’t answer her phone.
what if:
Ronald left work and came home catching them in the deed.
what if:
the guy ran out when ronald came in and Ronald went after him with his gun.
what if:
Haleigh ran out to see what was going on, leaving her footstep outside
what if:
the guy ran in his car and Haleigh got in the way of the gunfire
what if:
ronald than hid the gun in the “hiding place’
what if:
Ronald set up the tent outside the next day so he could try to find the empty shell of the gun before LE did.
what if:
he called Tommy to come over and help dispose of Haleigh
what if:
Tommy just couldn’t say no so helped
what if:
Ronald went back to work to cover himself
what if:
Ronald and Misty now feel equally guilty for what happened, and that’s why they’ve stayed together
what if:
the screeching car heard by neighbors that night was the guy taking off
JenM said,
in May 10th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
I also have read that, but they put the person as Timmy….It seems to me that it could of been anyone at that residence, no? She dialed the number, but that does not mean she spoke to Timmy. It could of been Chelsea and it could of been Joe. Or maybe no one answered?
I personally would like to see the time her phone called that number, how long was the call and where the cell phone tower pings her location.
That would give us some good pieces to this puzzle, now wouldn’t it. Anyone know where we can find that?
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We will get to see everything once there is an arrest and the rate that we are going that will be the 12th of never
I thought the footprint that was found was further away from the house, down close to the water. I had read the dogs headed straight toward the water, and they found the footprint down by the water, not up close to the house.
Another thing, if there had been a gunshot, the neighbors would know a gun was fired close by. Did any of the neighbors report a gunshot? Even if Haleigh was shot outside, LE and the dogs would have found blood.
one neighbor reported a loud car coming into the neighborhood on one of the radio programs. He said it sounded like Nay Nay’s car.( I think, but I am not sure)he said about 1:30a.m. The neighbors would have heard, if there had been a big fight going on.
So Karon what if a blanket was used to muffle the shot. Grabbed quickly and wrapped around the gun. Don’t know for sure were the footstep was found or if relevant.
Please feel free to shoot holes in my latest concoction of a theory.
I’ll see if I can oppose it.
Just testing my theory…
Just thinking that this theory would account for the hidden gun. Ronald pretending not to care about Misty’s cheating. The lies of Misty, Tommy, Ronald. Maybe the hit on the dumpster if something was thrown in it, or if they went to get a cinder block from it after touching Haleigh. I don’t know about the dogs hitting on the particular spot where blood may have been. Unless it was cleaned up with a chemical or something..
Karon the hounds went to the river but the K-9, which was the first dog released went out the back door, down the ramp, out to the woods, what they thought was a childs footprint was found BUT the report stated that Haleighs shoes were still in the mh. The dog then came out of the woods, down the road, around the block, up Tyler st, (that part is blacked out on the report for some reason), then the dog went up to Buffalo Bluff to the tracks and stopped.
Ona comoletely different note:
At least JR Cummings is out of the worst of it. This little guy has lost his sister and his dad. Hope he does well from here on out. Poor little fella. He’s probably better off without ron’s lifestyle.
AND, how about donna brock, the “self-undercover” agent. That really back fired on her. Ouch!
AND, I don’t believe that anyome was shot in the MH that night. Too much evidence would have been left behind for misty to clean up for sure.
I didn’t say in the MH I said outside of the MH.
Maryd:
I am not trying to shoot holes in your theory. None of us know what really happened, including me. I think a gunshot near the house isn’t likely, unless it was reported. I think if someone fired a shot it would have been in the heat of passion. I can’t see anyone taking time or even the time to think of wrapping the gun in a blanket.
The footprint reference wasn’t about your post. I had been reading people saying the footprint was near the back porch. To me, it makes a difference if it was close to the house or not. If it was near the house, it wouldn’t have been as unusual as down by the water. Haleigh could have stepped outside near the house on her own, but to go on down by the water, at night, would mean someone was with her or carrying her. They could have stood her down for a second to get a better grip on her, if they were carrying her. The footprint was reported, then they kind of explained it away. I don’t know if it was one of those things that LE quietened down until they had the case solved, or not.
I don’t know if Ron came home or not, but I think he was caught up in this or would have been implicated because of drugs being involved in some way.
I do think you are right that Tommy was called to help get rid of Haleigh’s body.
If there was a fight, Haleigh could have been knocked out of the way and hurt with no intention of killing her.
Like you, I keep wondering how the gun fits into all of this, other than it may have been illegal.
So many things could have happened to Haleigh. Since there is no body, I don’t know if we will ever know for sure.
Maryd,
I like the what ifs.:)
But why wouldn’t the guy running away not tell police he was chased with a gun? He had to know the next day and since that a child was missing. It wasn’t just him vs.ron at this point, a child was involved. Of course the guy could be wanted for something else and has to stay underground. Plausible, right?
But there would have been a ton of blood to clean up outside or inside for these knuckleheads to compltetely get rid of.
They would never have been able to clean all that up in the dark, imo.
Tommys requested involvement? That I can believe.
Hey you kelly that was sick. Your talking about a little girl, not a bed time story about “starman” a little girl is probably dead. Its not a joke and shouldn’t be turned into one.
jaba:
I am relieved that Jr. is out of there. I hope Crystal can keep herself off of drugs and give him a good home. He needs a break in this life.
A simple blanket wouldn’t have muffled the gun that much, especially outside with the sounding boards that metal homes are, imo I don’t think a shot was fired that night.
The move of ronald is what interests me. I wonder why he moved to that location and made it a point to tell folks that basically other than his family, no one knew where he was at.that old friends wouldn’t. Was his lease up at the previous address? Was this just a good deal and he could move. Was it becasue of the dcf in that he had to get away from drug traffic?
Exactly Karon! i just figure that a lot of what people get away with is because no one would believe it was possible. All I’m doing is trying to make all of the questions fit; like the gun, possibly the footprint, the blanket, the unity of the players, the not searching for Haleigh, the sticking together, the odd behaviors, the Van, the dumpster, the cinder block, what Junior said he saw, the lies, half truths. It would almost be ironic if “drugs” did not come into play here. Oh Ron’s phone possibly being on redial left at work to account for the pings.
Then if I think about recurring themes with the players I think of their words:
trash=Ronald throwing out the trash
blanket= Misty
cinder block=Misty
Don’t know but i have a terrible headache right now, lol.
Well, I recall pretty clear reading that the only evidence the police had at the time was one of Haliegh’s foot prints ‘right outside at the end of the ramp’. I remember thinking immediately that someone almost dropped her when carrying her out. Now I realize she could of slipped out of the blanket.
I don’t think Haleigh would of ran outside in the dark to see what was going on. She would of hid. Maybe, just maybe, and I don’t know if anyone has brought this up or not, but is it possilbe that she did run and hide somewhere? She may of been scared to death of the stuff that was going on that night or freaked out when she saw something. That makes sense to me….thinking from a childs mind.
Seems I haven’t heard anything on any of the blogs about ‘what would Haleigh do’! She may of went down towards the water…the dogs tracked down just so far and then stopped. Did something happen to her in that spot? It’s possible she fell into the water, as dark as it was. It’s possible that a wild animal got her too.
Im thinking back to when I was that age and heard my parents or someone fighting. I tried to hide. Maybe Misty didn’t think Ron would beleive her if she told him she hadn’t seen Haliegh since it was “sunny out”(per her hypnosis), because she was too busy getting high. Or maybe Haleigh did disappear in broad daylight and they were searching everywhere for her. Misty didn’t want Ron to know, so like a child, she hid too…by turning off her cell phone!
Maybe Misty did not take the appropriate action when Haleigh went missing. Maybe she went missing off the front porch that evening when the sun was still out? She could of ran off (which she has done before) and ran to the road. Someone could of taken her even.
As far as all the ‘witnesses’, well they have all proved to be lies and coverups. So, yes it is possible that no one saw Haleigh after the sun went down.
I guess these are all new thoughts for everyone to think about. Especially when you stop and think about it from a child’s perspective (both Haleigh’s and Misty’s). Seems everyone has been thinking about what they would do if they were the adult and what these adults were up to in their daily lives.
Let me know what you think.
jaba:
I have heard speculation that RC wanted out of the house, because he was afraid LE may have wired the house. If he wanted to get drugs or sell drugs, he wouldn’t want to be caught on tape. Plus, any discussion or plans being made to keep their secrets of that night may have been caught on tape.
I think Haleigh was missing when Misty turned off that cell phone. She was hiding from Ron. There was no way she could admit that she couldn’t find Haleigh. I think on the 911 call he was pissed and I heard her squeal, like he was hurting her.
Maybe in her mind, she has let it go some, because maybe she thinks Haleigh ran off and it wasn’t her fault. I think she sat that back door up herself, not Tommy.
Couldn’t the footprint have been from a previous time? It does seem werid it was only one? And maybe she stepped out the back door prior to that night, and ron or misty said something like ‘get back in here’.
I wonder what shirt GMS put on Haleigh before she left that night. It would be interesting or important to know what GMS’s says Haleigh had on before she put shirts on them. Would like to know if Haleigh had the pink shirt on or no shirt when she put shirts on them.
Lyndsy, Chelsea, Timmy, Joe, NayNay and Teresa all need to come clean. Just my opinion. I think they all want to protect Misty, (except for NayNay who outright accused her in a letter). They all probably know what Ron would do to her. Maybe Tommy is sticking up for her the best he can? Or maybe she really suspects Tommy in the dissapearance? But she was too busy getting high to be a responsible person that night.
True Jaba, but that was a heavy door that shut hard and has a dead bolt on it, so not sure Haleigh would of had a reason to go out that door? And I don’t know that Teresa is telling the truth about anything involving those kids that night. I think she is covering for Misty and Ron. She’s his mom, she will do anything to help him.
I think that ToC saw Haleigh’s body being thrown into that river, or he would never admitted to being there. He just set himself up for a possible long prison sentence. Even if he made a deal, I don’t think he would get off without quite a bit more time being added on. I believe he gave LE some more names, when he admitted to being there, however.
I think Haleigh died there at the MC because they took the cinderblock from there to weigh her body down. They had to have planned on what to do before they left the house.
The piece of trash RC was talking about and taking out the trash when the time was right, could have been to throw LE off. Alot of what RC and MC has said was to throw LE off.
Good point on the heavy door but didn’t someone in the clan talk about the door being propped open before? If they smoked in the house maybe they had the back door open with the windows open to air it out.
And the lord whispered unto me “follow ur heart my son” …and I did!
I heard early on that there were two pings that night from a cell tower close to RC’s work. I remember Marie telling that the cell phone reception was really poor in that area. That could have gotten in the way of exact tracing of all the calls that were made.
I know these are all good theories, but given all the lies and stuff and the likelihood that some of this happened (since none of it connects and there are no named persons of interest even after over a year), I started thinking that maybe this has all gotten blown out of porportion with some creative thinking?
It could be as simple as what i mentioned above. Misty’s history shows she has been blamed for everything all her life and the things she loved were Jr and Haleigh. Yes, she has severe errors in judgement and I think they began with her doing drugs that night while the kids were in her watch. I think Haleigh disappeared and Misty went from there. She created something that she thought was believable (ie an abduction) and set up the back door with a brick.
I think when she said: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter”
She really meant that “she woke up earlier” (when it was still daylight out) and that she ‘propped the backdoor open” and “I think” (maybe she was going to say she KNOWS someone took Haleigh?) or maybe she meant “she knows she can’t find Haleigh” because she has been searching for hours with her phone shut off.
Then she says: “yes- it was bricked- there was a brick on the floor…when I was asleep it was not like that.”
To me, “it was bricked” tells me she knows when it was bricked. Everything in that sentence is ‘past tense’. Wouldn’t it still be bricked open during the 911 call? Why wouldn’t she say it IS bricked, there IS a brick on the floor. Then she says “when I was asleep, it was not like that”. Exactly! Because she (or Tommy or Ron) did not put it there until AFTER she woke up. So, yes, it was not like that when she was asleep. Truth in your statement Misty! Busted. In my opinion.
Those are my thoughts.
The door could have been opened to air the house out, especially, if they were smoking pot.
Only one footprint doesn’t seem odd to me. One foot could have stepped in a little bit of mud and left one print, not two.
Jaba, true the door could of been open for that purpose. I just don’t know.
I think Misty didn’t mean to let anything happen to Haleigh, and it did. Its just difficult for her to admit it. Everyone will hate her. Afterall, she is known as someone who loves kids and babysits them all. It was probably the ONLY thing in her life that was positive and now she screwed that up. Admitting it won’t bring Haleigh back and it will only make Ron ‘kill her’ like he promised over and over that he would do to whoever had anything to do with it. She is a child really. She tries to act grown up, but she is not. Why put herself in that position if it won’t bring Haleigh back? Misty lacks good judgement. Even her Mother said, Misty just let me know what happened. We will work through it. Her will to be free and be with Ron is much stronger than her need to spill her guts about something that will ruin her life.
Just my thoughts.
JenM said,in May 10th, 2010 at 7:11 pm Lyndsy, Chelsea, Timmy, Joe, NayNay and Teresa all need to come clean. Just my opinion. I think they all want to protect Misty, (except for NayNay who outright accused her in a letter). They all probably know what Ron would do to her. Maybe Tommy is sticking up for her the best he can? Or maybe she really suspects Tommy in the dissapearance? But she was too busy getting high to be a responsible person that night.
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The letter was stateing LE came to her with the story.
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jaba said,in May 10th, 2010 at 7:21 pm Good point on the heavy door but didn’t someone in the clan talk about the door being propped open before? If they smoked in the house maybe they had the back door open with the windows open to air it out
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The Sheffields are the ones that propped open doors. Ron and Misty did not smoke in the trailer. JMO
I believe someone strangled that little girl in the MH in a mad state of mind becasue of something she did or something she saw. Then the perp(s) took all the time before ron got home to dispose of the body. ron was mad at misty when he got home becasue she staged the MH and gave the stolen kid story. He was mad at her for not stopping this ‘fake’ person or even hearing them and started to think of who he’d wronged in the past that would have taken her. That could be why he says he has better people to call on the 911 call. He could also be thinking of calling his mom. I don’t know what his calls were from his cell phone after the 911 calls.
misty knows exactly what happened to the kid whether or not her hand lead to the death. Tommy knows too bit I think they have been lying to ron all along and he had put a few things together since the start of this by the time he was arrested on the drug charges.
Ok. I am a new poster but just would like to add a jolt to all of this. Remember Casandra
Levy. Everyone got so side tracked with the
side show they over looked the killer right under their nose. Now you are pretty smart folks. Boy, after reading for three weeks I see why law enforcement is still scratching their heads, just trying to get their arms around this. It is crazy. They know who and what happened to that baby. She may not be dead. Potato season starts in Feb in Hasting Fl.(Potato Capital of the World) near where Misty partied. There are lots of transits during that time of year due to farm demands. Why wouldn’t Misty trade her for drugs???? Let’s hope that if she did Haleigh was sold to a nice family that loves and protects her. Let’s pray the Cummings and Croslins never find her.
Jenm @7:33
Wonderful point.
How do we know they didn’t smoke in the trailer? Do you think they would go outside to smoke pot where it could be smelled and they could be seen? I don’t think they would. And they look to be chain smokers so that makes me think that windows open, smoke a cigarette. If they were drinking and partying the MH there is no way they are going outside for every cig they smoked. Maybe they did, its possible, but to me, not likely.
Did anyone see a place outside that had a big ashtray or cigarette butts on the ground that might have been the ‘smoking area’?
I guess if we think its a transient, who may barely know the area, would pick that MH of all places to snatch a kid.
If misty propped the door open herself to start with, a transient would have to have known that night at 8 or 9 or 10 she would do it.
I don’t believe misty propped it open and fell asleep. She isn’t going to sleep with a door wide open with two kids in the house and herslef. That’s not a ‘gated, golf course’ community.
If the door was locked, then the transient has to pick a mh he or she knows has a kid in it and pick the lock. And why not take JR? He’d be easier to carry and probably harder to wake up.
I don’t see them smoking out side! These are people that EAT PILLS!! Second hand smoke, I doubt was a concern!
If ron moved there to shake off some ‘old’ friends, I don’t think he would be inviting anyone he didn’t think he knew, like a pass-through worker or something. Whoever did this knew the lay out of the situation intamately. As they say , misty is the key and she knows. No innocence in this whole matter for her.
Eye4eye said,in May 10th, 2010 at 7:53 pm Ok. I am a new poster but just would like to add a jolt to all of this. Remember Casandra
Levy. Everyone got so side tracked with the
side show they over looked the killer right under their nose. Now you are pretty smart folks. Boy, after reading for three weeks I see why law enforcement is still scratching their heads, just trying to get their arms around this. It is crazy. They know who and what happened to that baby. She may not be dead. Potato season starts in Feb in Hasting Fl.(Potato Capital of the World) near where Misty partied. There are lots of transits during that time of year due to farm demands. Why wouldn’t Misty trade her for drugs???? Let’s hope that if she did Haleigh was sold to a nice family that loves and protects her. Let’s pray the Cummings and Croslins never find her.
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Eye4Eye, this sounds like a riddle to me. imo Whats the jolt? Thank You.
Hiya Ann,whereya been?
Eye for AnEye,lol more BS,LOL
Adams,I say Amen! you know they didn’t!
Haleigh had to use inhalers and i bet they all smoked around her which probably added to her misery!
JB said,in May 10th, 2010 at 4:27 pm Well, Bozo didn’t get the trial moved to Miami like he wanted. The idiot really thinks moving the trial to South Florida will help save Casey! He could move the dang trial to the South of France and she would STILL fry for killing her child! The new judge did rule that the jurors would be shipped in and then sequestered during the trial. Good call on his part. This new judge (that the merry Bozo team so desperately wanted) is going to be Bozo’s worst nightmare! LOL LOVING IT!
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Looks like Bozo bit off more than he could chew this time,rofl…..Thank You God!
Eye4Eye welcome.
That is a bilical phrase Eye for eye.
I have thought about the migrant workers that Misty was with over the week-end. One or some of those guys may have asked around (it’s a small place) and found out where Misty lived and found out Ron worked at night. i don’t know why Ron would think people couldn’t find him after he moved. In that small of a place, everybody knows every thing you do.
I don’t think that is what happened, but it is a thought that would need to be ruled out.
Hello CathyJo and Cent!
CathyJo63 said,in May 10th, 2010 at 8:29 pm Hiya Ann,whereya been?
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Hya CathyJo, I am aways around sometimes.lol
not when i am,i met an ANN but w/o the TN……..so i assumed nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Hiya Karon,lol
My daughters friend and I had her babyshower tonight,lol i drove home in the rain,NO WIPERS,NO BRAKES Hardly…………shewwwwwwwww
My hair is spiked!!!! excitement!
any new news today that i almost didn’t live to hear about,come on i deserve something,rofl
Hi Annie
Hi Annie!
We haven’t had an opportunity to light those candles, yet.Maybe we will soon, even if they don’t find little Haleigh.
I gotta tell ya what happened Saturday,was going to daughters and there was a terrible accvident and we had to detour……Thats like throwing me in a maze,lol but went forever and ended up on a dirt road way up in the hills somewhere,there were 3 cars and a semi in front of me,the semi got wedged couldn’t move forward period so everybody there had to turn in a tiny spot,well being from coon holler in letcher county ky,i can drive wiff da best of um’lol straight roads scare me,lol so i had to back out of there a half a mile atleast maybe more,lol and all the others including the semi had to fidget to turn in the road,anyhoo…….i throw her in reverse back outta there as usual…..get to the end of the road where an old house fell and backed into that driveway……this guy rolls down his window and screams………..NOW THATS HOW YE DRIVE,My God I’d have never thought you were a woman,roflmbo flipped him out when he saw me,a woman???? ROFL……….How much you wanna bet me he has 2 black eyes though,his woman glared at him……poor ole guy but i felt 50 ft tall,now tonight,got no brakes and wipers!!!
always around sometimes,lol
CathyJo:
No news. I wish there were.
You better be careful, CathJo. Aren’t you from Florida where the lightning is so bad?
Karon,
I want to light those candles someday. I havent forgot about that.
no,tn Karon! If i were in florida,wellllllll you don’t wanna know,lol
I was so hoping for news,anything,I wasn’t sure tho i had read about a gun but it musta been someones theory i take it now??
Simon has a new article up. I think he rather deal with the mob than the people in Satsuma.
Can’t wait myself to light a candle!
I’d like to light a few wicks too before then,lol Adams
I don’t care to read about the mob! never interested me!
Hello Gang,
Just popping in to see what is going on. Nothing new, so I shall pop right on out. BBL
The only mob i am interested in is the one who lost Haleigh!
very slow news day. I have the feeling the cops have zero evidence, just a bunch of hypothesis like are opined here.
The vice like pressure and trumpted up charges psco placed on all the players to get them talking has backfired. Theres now more red herrings and false leads then you can shake a stick at. Major blunder by LE.
I hope you’re wrong OJ,Sorry but i do,no matter who it is i hope they haven’t lost any evidence whatsoever!
I don’t care who goes down as long as its the right ones,ya know!
I have just found this blog in the last three weeks . Watch the local news but no where near
this coverage and resources. I am familar with
Patlaka are and have mobile home rental properties in a neighboring county myself. Everyone knows where everyone lives in those areas. I use to go there to go skydiving and thought it was just a lazy river town. Boy was I naive.
Those workers in that area would have to go to
Patlaka or St Augustine for supplies. If they go to Patakla and stop at one of only a couple
quick marts Ron would be easy to find? This town almost looks like Mayberry if you didn’t know all this mess. Historical homes, The Ravens State Park,the river. Bass Fishing Capital of the World.Crawfish festivals, Sailboat and jet ski races I actually considered moving there because waterfront property was so affordable. Now, I know why and think I will just stay parked.
My opinion changes depend on who’s theory I have just read because they all could be right.
I could not make a decision on a guilty party.
I would just have to kepp the whole lot locked up. I would feel guilty turing that mess out on
the general public. I gave up on Bombshell NG
a long time ago. She really does confuse me.
Simom isn’t really writing about the mob. He wants to turn some of them loose in Satsuma to get the truth out of some people.
Eye for an Eye,We have one thing in common……….My theory changes more than a cat hunts mice,never know what to stick with anymore!
Some days i get mad and blame everybody,next day one person,next day….well you get the point!
N/g is like the little boy who cried wolf,when she really has a bombshell,nobody will know it!
Eye4Eye:
LE hasn’t let out much news in this case. It is hard to tell what is really happening, but I think they know alot more than they are telling.
ohhhhhhhhhhh Karon,i agree with him then,turn sommin?? loose and rattle their nerves like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs!
i wish they’d hurry for God’s sake,they know I’m waiting,lol
Looking at older articles,Doubts Mistys Story but still convinced she knows nothing!!
.Haleigh Cummings’ father doubts Misty has revealed everything
Submitted by Ellen on 14 October, 2009 – 22:08.
The attorney for Ronald Cummings appeared on ‘The Early Show’ this morning.
Ronald Cummings, whose daughter vanished from their home in Putnam County in February, still stands behind the last person to see Haleigh Cummings, his attorney said on national television this morning.
Misty Croslin Cummings, who was baby-sitting Haleigh Cummings in February, may not have revealed everything about the night the girl vanished, but Ronald Cummings does not think the 17-year-old he later married was involved, said attorney Terry Shoemaker.
“He’s just doubting whether everything she said is what transpired that night. But he in no way believes that she is involved whatsoever,” Shoemaker said during an interview on CBS’ The Early Show.
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Misty says her brother is not involved
Submitted by Larry on 8 September, 2009 – 12:11.
A Florida woman who is a potential suspect in the disappearance of her young stepdaughter denies that her Cape-based brother has anything to do with the missing girl.
Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department interviewed Timothy Croslin, 23, at the South Yarmouth state police barracks Saturday.
Croslin could not be reached for comment yesterday. But his sister, Misty Croslin-Cummings, said the police wanted to see his phone records.
“My brother has nothing to do with this,” she said.
She said her brother lives on Cape Cod, but would not specify which town.
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.$35K put up for girl’s return
Submitted by Ellen on 4 September, 2009 – 22:58.
A Texas businessman has offered $35,000 in response to a claim that Haleigh Cummings could be found for that price.
The money, in the form of a check to Haleigh’s father, Ronald, was offered Wednesday by Cypress, Texas, businessman Roy Moffitt, according to Tim Miller, director of the Texas-based search organization EquuSearch.
Miller said the figure was cited in a voice mail he received Tuesday from Cummings’ father-in-law Hank Croslin.
In the voice mail, Croslin says Cummings had said he could get Haleigh “back” if he had $35,000, Miller said.
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I think they have the 2 that know the most about all of this in jail. Well, there may be 1 or 2 more that needs to join them.
I wonder if Hank, Sr is still going to see Misty and Tommy. I wonder if their lawyers want Misty and Tommy to just be quiet, so they are staying away. Can they, go now that they are both on probation?
No they can’t i don’t tink Karon!
CathyJo:
This is going to be really rough on Tommy and Misty, if no one can go see them. I am sure Lyndsy isn’t going anymore, or I wouldn’t think so. I wonder who will pay for their canteen food, now.
Misty didn’t seem to be holding up very well, at all. This will be even harder for her.
I wonder too Karon!
I wonder if LP puts money in for them? just curious!
I thought they’d run like a cat on fire when Hope got sentenced!
She isn’t is she?
and I agree,I’d say she does cry alot?? ya know!
18 yrs old,just getting old enough to have fun and bam!
not fun but,lol but of age lets say,lol
I just cannot help it,i think now,if anyone knew the truth surely they’d have gave someone up so i tend now to think Misty and Ron did it and they know no one else knows so they’re sticking to their stories!
I think surely Tommy would spill it if ron is involved and the tatoo Misty got for Ronald just speaks to me! and lying about them not seeing one another!
CathyJo:
I can’t believe what these people have done to themselves, but Haleigh’s life counts, too.
there aren’t any new vids are there,the last month or so?
It sure does Karon,more than all them put together and then some!
I dunno if i believe it really but i think alot about misty and ron and i just think that when ron called that night,to misty she wasn’t supposed to answer,so they could have TC over there at the crime scene!
all those calls and not one answer!
CathyJo:
I think Misty and Tommy have both done alot of talking. I think after Tommy failed the LDT, he told them what he knew. I think one reason he wouldn’t tell before then was because he was afraid he would lose Lyndsy and his family, and he did.
What I am really wondering is if anyone else will be arrested.
that tattoo of Mistys bugs me so bad! Its some kinda bond……well symbol of a bond!
It will be hard on them not having visitors. And if they weren’t persons of interest in a lost little girl, I’d feel sorry them. I just can’t muster it up at this point.
With their impending drug charge dispostions getting closer and their own admission on jail tapes of dealin’, the DA is going to be able to put them away for a long time. With no visitors and the isolation and them having to accept a bunch of years or risk a bunch more with a judge or jury trial, pressure is building. They must be thinking about this every minute of their waking day right now.
Do I rat and get the best deal, or do I remain quiet out of blind loyalty and lack of wanting to take responsibility for their actions and rot for quite awhile.
They’d have to throw the proverbial ‘hail mary’ of a tip to LE, to get any sort of better deal.
Yea Karon,and can you imagine,tc can do nothing…..no begging,sending flowers…….nothing! lol guys do when theyre in the doghouse,lol
Right too Karon,Tommyu has nothing to lose now does he?
I keep wondering if ToC disposed of the body after M asked him to. I don’t think she would of told ToC of any involvement that Ronald might of had. MC would cover for RC and ToC would cover for MC but not RC.
Does this make sense to anyone?
Thats true Jaba,the ultimate Hail Mary!
Sometimes I feel bad for them,no body when they’re growing up or born rather wants to become a criminal,druggie………etc but once they make a mistake,like abusing drugs gets them in bad trouble…..but I want Justice for Haleigh more than i can ever feel sympathy for them,but i pray they get the ones that are the guilty ones.
If they told the truth and it was an accident I could have some compassion,but to see them look straight faced and just lie constantly,it angers me!
I watched misty point the finger at the sheffield crew for the disappearance on an interview.
Then gms hollers says she was told by misty that joe did it.
I’ve seen misty say she has no idea what happened.
Which is it just out of those three offers?
If she had stuck with one story, all the time, I’d tend to believe her more.
She could have fingered joe early while the evidence would have been fresh and he would have been locked up and never made bail and never got to her.
If she hadn’t pointed at ‘the other side’ of the family and any, any evidence was found that might link them, I could buy that.
If she had kept quiet after the initial questioning, we wouldn’t have to wonder which story is she going with.
Her going on tv, even at the airport, was just dumb.
When will people learn to quit hanging themselves on TV?
right Hope,and i think she is! it may have been the plan to have him help to set him up,I don’t like toc after i saw the jail tapes,he could care less about anybody else but i think maybe?????? ron asked misty to get him to help so they could frame him?
why i think she wasn’t supposed to answer the phone,misty and ron have some kind of bond and the family fight,all that crap makes me wonder!
We just don’t know what kind of mess they have all been in together, other than Haleigh being missing. The drug dealing can get them more or as much time as murder, so they may be afraid to start ratting each other out about that. There is really no telling who all is involved in all of these drug deals.
Right Jaba,exactly,if you tell the truth….its believeable but if one lie follows the truth,its all doubted!
sometimes i think thats why its taken forever to sort out because only ron and misty know? just a thought tho,not gospel,lol
how can he be DISAPOOINTED in her but not angry she lied????
and also he said,he thought she’s withholding info but that she did nothing,how can he think that,if she’s withholding info thats the info that got his daughter STOLE!
I do wonder why we haven’t heard of any physical scratches or hand cuts on anyone? If you handled a cinder block, high, in the middle of the night, you may cut or abraise your hand, or bang it against or knee or foot. If you were wearing gloves, that may not happen.
If no struggle was put up, which really, how much could a petite 5 year old do against a grown up of even mistys size. But I wonder if mistys hands and nails were checked. She would have Haleighs dna on her but not a heavier than normal concentration under the nails.
Did LE ever say if the shower in the trailer had water in it or on the walls indicating someone had showered there recently.
I’m looking for a manner of death inside the home if it occured there.
when a young girl…..well some older ones too,lol fall in love they’ll do anything for him!
If Hope’s remarks got her 15 yrs, just think how some of the tapes of the other 3 will sound to the judge. They may be under the prison before this is all over.
all I know or think i know,LoL Is they took the hot water panel off??
water heater panel!
Lord yea,Karon especially with ronald talking about Haleigh that way to the uc,and misty too!
Hunny if that judge Hope had even looked at me the way he did her,my fur would shake,lol
Didn’t I hear misty say she wasn’t “taking all them charges”? She knew she had a few coming her way that she was expecting because they had her dead to rights on camera. Not only did they UC sting her, but she confessed on national tv.
Where was her lawyer to tell her not to say anthing, to anyone, ANYONE? I hope that attorney had her sing her representation agreement with that spelled out in bold lettering so when she squeals the ‘justice system, including my lawyer, we corrupt’ and I didn’t get good advice and my lawyer was working with the prosecution blah, blah, blah.
Every attorney in a high profile case should get that in writing at the jump.
Jaba:
If they were sniffing some kind of powder or using some kind of drug in the nebulizer that is missing, that could have been what did it. I keep looking for a reason for the missing nebulizer. They may have gotten rid of the nebulizer to keep it from being checked.
CathyJo63 said,in May 10th, 2010 at 10:58 pm Yea Karon,and can you imagine,tc can do nothing…..no begging,sending flowers…….nothing! lol guys do when theyre in the doghouse,lol
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OMG! you are mean cat
I can’t believe how quiet Misty’s lawyer has been. I wouldn’t know if he is trying to help her that much or not.
hope’s lawyer set her up and fed her to the wolves! Would you want hope’s lawyer defending you?
Led the lamb to slaughter!
thats justice in putnum county for you!
sheriff laurel & hardy’s career is TOAST!
thats what he gets for messin with misty!
Thank you CathyJo for replying to me.
Yes, and perhaps M didn’t even realize that RC was setting them both up. I don’t know everything is so confusing and I don’t think that MC and ToC could make everything this confusing without having additional help. imo
I agree.
I think that the death was not full of strikes or stabs or anything like that. It was short either through drug ingestion in some way or strangulation.
It could be the neb didn’t casue the death but they knew they’d done dope through it and dint want that to be found out.
I think we miss sometimes that this group was part of a drug doing, drug selling lifestyle with something to lose if they were caught by police.
If they were a straight up good ole american family, there would have been nothing to hide and eveerything explained on stranger abduction. Too much chaos in their lives.
Mean,Why am i mean? He can’t…….cuz he’s locked up??
You know, Tommy may have known he was going to talk and go up for a long time, and that may have been the reason he talked so rough to Lyndsy about getting a job.
hmmmmmmm Hope,thats very possible!!!!! ya never know!!!!!
I dunno Karon,lol I tend to believe he did that so she’d leave money for him,lol
Oj,I dunno what you mean,i am mean?
I am saying,ya know when your mate asks for a divorce and then you wanna win her back,so you’ll beg,candy,flowers,take her out somewhere,lol well.he can’t do that stuff so now hes in jail and stuck with whatever comes!
kinda sad to me!
Hope:
I didn’t mean to leave you out, I missed your post, somehow. Misty may have been playing both men against one another, for all we know.
yvw Hope,but yea i can see that too,my theory changes daily now,lol shewwwwwwwww
I feel so sorry for all of their children. How awful this must be for all of them.
or ronald both of them? karon!
Jeff hardy loses his job at the end of his term vs. A 17 year old spending decades in prison…don’t know for sure but I don’t see misty as the winner of that comparison.
I don’tknow, but i do think ToC loves his family. He just loves drugs and himself more. IMO
me too Hope,all their families that loved Haleigh!
right Karon,me too…….he just didn’t realize it till its too late!
Very true Karon and that could add to all the confusion. One doesn’t really know the others involvement.
thats why i said too Karon that he can’t even beg her to stay with him?
he must feel his whole life is just well……..gone to hell!
Karon @ 11.51 I agree. I think with most addicts their next fix is the most important thing in their lives and everything else revolves around that.
Hope:
It is sad about their children. Tommy’s children are really old enough to miss Tommy. Even Jr. is old enough that losing Haleigh and his dad,and his two grandmothers will really be a loss.
When the judge made sure hope could rad and write and understands her plea, and when she SIGNS the plea, how does she cry foul after its all over. The form had to say 15 years in jail.
Nolo- you don’t answer the charges nor do you deny them.
My husbands murderer did that too Jaba,saying in his own interest!
Yes, It is bad enough Jr. lost his sissy, but everyone else too! Even TiC children have to be hurting.
Yes, maybe, that is why this is so hard to break. MC is playing RC, ToC, and possibly JO against each other. RC is playing MC. ToC doesn’t know what hit him.
Karon I think that might be it Karon. If RC knew ToC did not have any pills then he would do just about anything to get them at the time.
CathyJo I am so sorry about your husband!
Exactly Hope,he would!
Thank You Hope,I appreciate that!
the reason they are so hard to “break”, as you say, is because they are all telling the truth.
you could be right OJ!
I suppose we have to get into the mind of a bad addict, before any of this can make sense.
Karon.you’re speakimng to one now…….
but if they were om crack or something then i don’t know! never did that stuff!
OJ: I don’t understand if they are all telling the truth then why so many different stories and all of the very strange actions.
It is bedtime for me. i am too sleepy to think any more. Maybe, we will hear something, soon. Good night all.
misty was ASLEEP!
ron was at work.
tom was out burglarizin,
so was joe.
a stranger abducted haleigh.. the bumbling pcso should not have discounted that so quickly,
the inept blundering keystone kops!
Multiple, different truths isn’t exactly a consensus.
I’ve never taken a pill whatsoever that i had forgot what happened,even taking 10-20 a day i knew……….crack i don’t know……..
gnite Karon,i goota go to bed myself,wore out today,lol
OJ In some ways I do hope you are right. I would hate to think of poor little Haleigh looking at someone she loved and trusted before she died. imo
pillheads don’t eat or sleep!
me too Hope!
good night Karon and CathyJo I enjoyed talking with you both.
CathyJo:
I hear people comment about how wild people on crack can get. There is no telling what happened if any of that group was on that stuff.
Misty was asleep 3 feet from Haleigh. 3 feet.
exactly Karon!
gnite guys!Sweet Dreams’
Good night, Hope. I enjoyed visiting with you, to.
Good night, O.J. I hope you are right, and they are all innocent.
Goodnight jaba and CathyJo.
Jaba,
Yes that is very hard to swallow. imo
Hope said,in May 11th, 2010 at 12:15 am OJ: I don’t understand if they are all telling the truth then why so many different stories and all of the very strange actions.
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these are normal actions.. to tell your torturer what they want to hear..truth or not.
There is no great secret or conspiracy of silence..no one KNOWS what happen to haleigh! but LE is set on FRAMING somebody, ANYBODY..like the easiest..misty.
OJ Do you think someone was watching the trailer or just randomly picked Haleigh?
Take care.
You to Jaba Good Night
Hope said,in May 11th, 2010 at 12:28 am OJ Do you think someone was watching the trailer or just randomly picked Haleigh?
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do you recall the couey case?
the scum lived across the street and he wasn’t investigated right off..
I mention that because I feel it was someone close. Yes, haleigh was targeted.
I believe shes alive, kidnapped by a retired LE officer that wanted to give her a better life..
posssibly an acquaintance of the sheffield family member who was a cop.
misty was the last person that states she had seen Haleigh. Yep, I’d be questioning her hard too. I don’t think unlimited commisary chips, hair braiding, tv and rec time and phone time is the definition of torture.
OJ
I don’t recall the Couey case. This case and Caylee’s are the only ones I have followed and I am still trying to learn more about Haleigh’s.
Why would they not take Jr. and give him a better life too?
Wow, what a theory. That would be shocking if it is true. A retired LE kidnapping only one of two children. Why not both? Same environment.
Hope said,in May 11th, 2010 at 12:45 am OJ
I don’t recall the Couey case. This case and Caylee’s are the only ones I have followed and I am still trying to learn more about Haleigh’s.
Why would they not take Jr. and give him a better life too?
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because he a DAUGHTER who died.
OJ Do you know who this person is or are you just speculating? If you know something you should really get in touch with someone that will investigate this. It would be so wonderful if she was alive!
Been reading all the posts and seen NayNay mentioned quite a bit. I’ve had a crazy thought about who could have helped Tommy help Misty. NayNay was along on the 3 day binge, knew dope dealers very well, got rid of her car after Haleigh went missing, and did move in with the Croslin clan for awhile. Has anyone ever speculated that Tommy could have been carrying on with NayNay and that’s why he told Lindsy that she’d be mad when she read his letter? Tommy could have been out catting around and had a girl help him instead of Joe. I don’t think Tommy’s being divorced due to knowing something, because I think they all knew something.
OJ’s glove said,
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Hope said,in May 11th, 2010 at 12:45 am OJ
I don’t recall the Couey case. This case and Caylee’s are the only ones I have followed and I am still trying to learn more about Haleigh’s.
Why would they not take Jr. and give him a better life too?
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because he a DAUGHTER who died.
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are you talking that the ex cop whose daughter died and Haleigh was given to him?
I’ve heard that said many times in chat and I’ve asked over and over again who is the cop??
Viola:
Did they test Nay Nay’s car?
Hope, they did test the car. There are rumors that antifreeze or something had been poured in the trunk but we don’t know if that’s true or not.
Thanks Lori I haven’t heard much about the car.
OJ: in your opinion who is the cop?
If one knows who has stashed her and they are ex LE, call the fbi and document that with a certified letter to them about the person. They will investigate.
Make the name public so we can get her back. Why would anyone hold the name back?
We hear the nebulizer was gone to.Some one who loves Haliegh would have taken it,when taking her.Because they knew she needed her meds.If she was snatched by someone who cared.
Who was the man on the fake search with the Shieffields/Griffs.Isay fake because thats what everyone calls it.
Cobra was there according to what I read on another site. Cobra and two other men who I think were related.
Related to each other, not related to cobra.
I saw the kindly, retired cop, who lost a daughter, that was offered up Haleigh to make up for his loss. For such a far out story, you would think whoever leaked that had to know who the cop was. Why not name them, that’s the least the person could do. If that theory is true, how does this ex-cop who I’m sure would have family and friends, unless he lives in a mountain cabin and lives off the land, notice a ‘new’ kid on the scene and know that you can’t take another persons child because you lost yours. There would have to be a bunch of people looking at that funny. What about when Haleigh goes to school in this ‘new’ town, what birth certificate are they going to use? Wqhat shot records are they going to have. What about someone who wacthes Ngrace and recognizes her stature and her special little face? What about getting a refill of the needed medicine refill. What previous doctors records are available to the ‘new’ doctor. All that is a monumental task to come up with all that and keep it a secret. She can talk, she remebers her dads name, her moms, her brothers. When she starts telling other kids where she comes from and who her dad is, and then a teacher hears it, what are they going to do? Call the ‘new’ parent and hope they can explain it away? Would that ‘new’ parent just uproot and move to another town? Think of the trail they would leave and having a suspicious school on your ass won’t be easy to run from. Its all too much, imo anyway.:)
A retired cop has Haleigh!?!?!?!? Some people watch way too much t.v.
Lori, there was antifreeze found on the ground that day of the search near the home. When NayNay’s car was searched, they found antifreeze that had spilled in the trunk of her car. They also found a set of keys in the dirt….that happened to be to NayNay’s car.
Those are evidence in this case that I know of. You may want to research and find the source. What has been done with the evidence or how it does or does not tie into this case, we don’t know.
Yes, I have brought up the theory that NayNay was involved. So, Maybe she left her car somewhere, maybe she dropped her keys that night, lost them (possibly helping put something in the dumpster?) and that ‘someone’ picked her up in that van and ‘someone’ dropped her off in that van. And yes, that maybe her and Tommy were fooling around that night and maybe that is what Lyndsy found out.
I have never heard of the inhaler being gone. Can someone tell me more about that or where it is in evidence for the case?
All these theories of who harmed or killed Haleigh….yet, there is no proof of a murder or of her being harmed. There is nothing to suggest that even, that I know of. All we know is that she is “missing”.
Yes, the sherriff announced it as a homicide and that they have persons of interest. If you ask me, that was either a premature, over zealous claim on their part, OR it was done for publicity because they are getting pressure from the top to close this case OR they did it to put pressure on the 3 to talk.
Because they aren’t saying why it is homicide and they haven’t even named the ‘persons of interest’, much less have a suspect.
Geeezzz.
I thought a set of keys was found during what has been termed the’fake search’ and attempted to be turned in by cobra. Am I wrong? Are there two sets of keys in this deal? 3 if you count the van keys of tc and lc.
Haley needed it to take her medecine with. A nebulizer I think its called.
There was talk about it possibly being used for drugs doing and maybe she got ahold of it while it was loaded with drugs and may have expired that way.
must be groudhog day..its morning again
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