Earlier this week I floated a document around to some people I know, some for a variety of professional reasons would prefer that I not use their names. I will honor those requests. We held a conference call and this was the the end result. This likely is very, very close to what happened. If nothing else it is a thought provoking look at the case – simon.
The Bus Stop – There are two conflicting versions. While the question of who picked up Haleigh from the School bus is a very minor point, and likely has no bearing on what happened later that day, it is interesting to explore as it reveals a great deal about the nature of the people involved. Version one says that it was Misty driving a van that picked Haleigh up. The school bus driver and another parent have both said this. Version two says that Ronald picked her up. His story has her sitting on his lap and operating the turn signals on the drive home.
It was pointed out that the Ron version contains too much information. I have a theory about lies, they have to be detailed oriented and often elaborate in nature. Rons story fits that requirement. The interesting point though is that the PCSO seem to have bought into the Ron story.
“Ron could be fabricating this in order to persuade OR Ron could be giving extra details because he ALREADY thinks he is not being believed.”
The question in my mind is why on something as innocuous as who picked up Haleigh is there this discrepancy? No one has anything to gain from being anything but truthful about this meaningless aspect. I start to think, lie about small stuff, they are going to lie about bigger things.
Ronald and Misty are not seeing eye to eye. At first I assumed that the argument was over her three day sex and drugs binge. However it now seems that route is incorrect. Several people that have spoken to Ronald have said that he appeared to show no emotion whatsoever about the subject. This is a strange behaviour. This part of Florida is apparently quite racially divided. I find it odd that Ronald would have no problems with Misty having sex with White Boy Greg.
Back to the argument. Misty is claiming that she does not want to look after Haleigh and Jr. that evening because she has a babysitting job lined up. But did she? A far more plausible explanation is that she wanted to attend the ‘party’ that we have all heard so much about.
“I struggle with Misty having a babysitting job lined up. It doesn’t fit her lazy lifestyle. Â It is far easier to get quick money for drugs by a sex act than babysitting for hours. Narcotic impact is 3-4 hours and a new dosage is needed….cranky, irritable…not a babysitting situation. Â Did Ron really beg and even offer money to Teresa to babysit only to be refused?”
Tempers are still frayed when Ron leaves for work. Misty feed the kids, and is likely high on something. It is a cold evening, yet when Annette Sykes drops by the two children are eating their meal outside. Why?
“Why was Annette Sykes doing the laundry for the kids?? Â We know that she told us that the clothing was dirty….”
Rons job is in a remote part of the plant and as a crane operator really has no one looking over his shoulder. He is still concerned about the situation at the trailer and makes several calls (12 or more) to keep an eye on Misty’s whereabouts.
Misty does not like being on this short leash and turns off her phone.
It is the kids bed time and Misty gets Jr. settled for the night. He puts up no resistance and is asleep in no time flat.
Haleigh is a different case. Although Misty has only been playing the role of mom for a few months the little girl has attached herself to her. Haleigh has three days of ‘news’ and has no intentions of going to sleep. Misty decides that a chemical babysitter is needed and gives Haleigh something. It could have been an oxy, or something else. Everyone seems to be in broad agreement that this was not the first time that she had used this method of sleep induction.
I am going to go off on a tangent here. None of this is public record, and likely will never be made public. However one credible source is claiming to have knowledge of some documents from Child Protective Services (DCF) that reveal a rather ugly situation. The kids have been drug tested in the past. Also Ron was admonished for some kind of physical abuse of them.
“Ron did reveal on TV that he could spank her on the bottom “just like DCF said”. Â This means he likely signed a Safety Plan agreeing NOT to hit in the face, arms, etc, under the threat of having them removed from him.
I feel for the caseworkers. Â They had two parents and neither was clean and sober, and a kid would likely SCREAMED for dad. Â She was attached, but it was a nervous and unhealthy attachement. “
There also appears to be a sexual angle, though not sex abuse in the normal sense. Rather, Haleigh was often in the same room as Ron and Misty while they were having sex. Apparently Haleigh exhibited some strange behavior at school, likely emulating what she had seen at home that got school officials very concerned. None of this can be confirmed, and to go forward with it would be journalistic suicide. But it does provide yet more background on the type of people involved.
Around 9pm – 10pm (timeline is sketchy) Misty starts to come down from her high and decided to get some sleep.
Ron meanwhile is beyond the state of being furious, he wants to know what is going on! He calls Tommy Croslin and tells him to go over to the trailer and find out what the story is. Tommy gets there and sees that the lights are off, he bangs on the door.
In my mind this is where the big lies start. Before we get into them though, lets do a little analysis without any data. Early on in the investigation PCSO told us that they had pulled phone records and cell tower pings for Misty and Ron on that night. I would also assume that the pulled the records for out going landline calls from PDL. So they must have known about the phone call. Yet, it was only months later that Tommy came up with story. What story did he tell them originally?
One ‘reporter’ is claiming the Tommy’s story is false, he created it merely to buy his freedom from a gun related charge. This makes little sense, as the same reporter is also claiming that it was Tommy that gave PCSO the lead as to where the body was dumped! I think I will stick to my original version of where the tip came from, and it was not Tommy.
Back to the plot. Tommy knocks on the door, wakes Misty up. Misty is not pleased to see him. Tommy tells her that Ron is pissed to the max. Misty says, we are all sleeping, if you don’t believe me take a look for yourself.
Tommy inadvertently wakes Jr. possibly Jr. heard the know on the door and was just drifting back to sleep, and that is where the ‘man in black’ reference comes from. A couple of sources are refuting the ‘man in black’, and claiming ‘woman in black’. There is a scenario for that, but I’ll play that later.
Tommy checks Haleigh, and the proverbial shit hits the fan’, she is dead.
Once again we need to analyze data we do not have. Did they call Ron? If Misty called him using her phone there would be a record of that call, it would also damage her alibi of being asleep. The PCSO are not dumb, they would have been onto that from the get go. So, most probably (if it happened) the call originated from Tommy.
Did Tommy tell him Haleigh was dead? Or was Tommy telling him everything was OK, or some other story?
I know that a couple of you really fancy Nay Nay Prevat as having some form of involvement. And there are good reasons. The car, the keys, and the blue antifreeze. While Nay Nay might not have been best friends with Misty, they had just shared a three day binge. Did Misty (using Tommy’s phone) call her? Was it Nay Nay that helped dispose of the body?
I for one think that Nay Nay likely knows more than she is saying, but I am not sure I buy into her as an accessory after the fact. The car, the keys, and the antifreeze are interesting and thought provoking, however that scenario would play out only if Tommy and Misty hid the body and it was moved at a later date.
There was no blood to find, and I doubt that a body that has been dead for an hour would leave any evidence that forensics could find.
In my mind the more likely scenario is that Tommy and Misty wrap Haleigh in a blanket, use the yellow rope and a couple of cinder block anchors. Tommy does the disposal using the van.
Ron’s shift ends. His actions are not rational if he is or is not involved. Either way, they not one iota of sense. He drives to a convenience store and purchases one beer, some cigarettes, and some nuts. If he was not involved, he would still be steaming at Misty for turning her phone off. He would have driven straight home to find out what was going on.
If he knew what was going on, he would have done the same thing! They needed a plan.
There is a third choice, maybe he stopped for a reason, there were security cameras, was he building an alibi.
I try and put myself in his shoes, if I had knowledge that my daughter was dead, and we were going to have to call 911 to report her missing, it is going to be a very long night. I think I’d be tempted to buy more than one beer!
A question that I have never heard an answer to, but I am not sure I have ever asked it. What was Ron’s normal day? People tend to fall into daily patterns. I smoke, and most days I take a walk to my local gas station to buy cigarettes, if I turn up at 11am Chris the owner says hi Simon. If I arrive at 8am I get ‘wow you are early’, and at 2pm, I get ‘you are late’.
I have a pattern, did Ron? Was the stop at the gas station routine? Did he stop regularly to pick up a beer and smokes? Anyway its just some food for thought.
Ron gets home, and the action starts!
A 911 call is made. The call does not seem to stand up to scrutiny. It can be argued that these people are irrational at best, but, I see several issues. The biggest of which is who placed the call. Why did Misty call? Ronald has just got home and discovered that his daughter is missing, why does he get Misty to make the call? Ronald has been living on his cell phone all evening, yet is heard on the call to say ‘where is my god damn phone’.
Much has been said about this call. I tried a completely unscientific test on my wife Jan. It was a blind taste test! She knew nothing about what I was up to. I gave her the scenario of, you wake up at 3am, you need to use the bathroom, you notice that the back door is wide open, and your young child is missing. What would you do? Her response was to call 911. What would you say to them I asked. “I need help now, Joey is missing”.
What we get instead is Misty explaining that she was asleep, the door was open, and finally the fact that a little girl is missing.
I have to make some assumptions, but they are reasonable ones. Ronald was present during the entire 911 call. If he arrived home in the middle of it why was he not screaming blue murder? He is remarkably controlled. Sure he makes the remark about ‘killing whoever did this’ and blusters a bit, but it all seems a little contrived. Why does he grumble “I have better people to talk to, where is my cell phoneâ€? Considering the fact that he had used it many times that night. It would seem reasonable to assume that he knew exactly where it was.
If Misty was awake and cognizant of the fact that Haleigh was missing why didn’t she call 911? Why wait for Ronald to get home? If she was sleeping when Ronald got home why didn’t Ronald call 911? If by some amazing coincidence Ronald gets home at the same time that Misty wakes up why is the 911 call so controlled? I don’t hear anyone shouting to try and find her. “Haleigh, are you out there”.
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Wow, great article, Simon. I think much of it makes sense. I think Ron has known since that night exactly what happened to Haleigh.
Good call on the alibi at the store too.
Simon what an awesome analysis!!! You make all of the valid points!! Thank you
You say those parts of Florida are racially divided…ain’t so in the Cummings family. Crystal, Ron’s sister, has a child by a black man. The child is shown in photos, one cheek to cheek with Haleigh. Ronald doesn’t seem much bothered by it.
Lyndsy files for divorce.
UCN: 542010DR000740FDXXXX
File Date: 2010-04-28 Disposition Date:
File Type: DISSOLUTION – DR02
Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Plaintiffs
CROSLIN LINDSY KATE Defendants
CROSLIN HANK
Date Docket Description
2010-04-28 001.CIVIL COVER SHEET
2010-04-28 002.PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE
2010-04-30 003.SUMMONS ISSUED TO: HANK CROSLIN
2010-04-30 004.FILING FEE RECEIPT
LuLu said,
in May 1st, 2010 at 3:56 pm
You say those parts of Florida are racially divided…ain’t so in the Cummings family. Crystal, Ron’s sister, has a child by a black man. The child is shown in photos, one cheek to cheek with Haleigh. Ronald doesn’t seem much bothered by it.
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You are kidding right? Sorry to break it to you Lulu but Ronald Cummings is a racist pig.
Have you listened to his jailhouse calls?
i think ron stopped at the store because he got a call from tommy saying that everything was fine and they were home sleeping. it does seem very odd now that u mention it that no one was calling for her. that is exactly what i would be doing, if they were innocent for all they knew she wandered out side. but they weren’t calling for her. i’m not sure where i stand on ron yet but i think maybe he has been “off” since the begining because he knows misty and he knows when she is lying and in his heart he knows he just needs to admit it to himself and get past it and help the detectives. i’m confused about something thou…wasn’t ron fighting with tommy about a gun? if so why would he call tommy to check on misty. maybe he would have called his mommy instead? i dunno i see him calling his mommy to check on misty before he calls anyone else. any who will we know the results of the testing they are doing on stuff the found during their last search?
OhYeah,
Thanks for that info. Interesting.
Simon, sorry but I strongly disagree with most of your analysis.
Re lies….people don’t just add detail when they are lying…people also add it when they are telling the truth and being questioned. For example, I had a lawnmower man ruin my landscaping the other day. When I tell the story to those that are querying it, I add as much detail as I remember, not to convince them of a lie (which it is not) but to convince them I recall it well.
Re the driving…I’m not convinced there are conflicting stories about that, but if there is, perhaps an innocent explanation is that Misty should not have been driving.
Re the laundry, I know men in their 40s that still get their mothers to do it, even though they have their own washing machines. No big deal there, imo.
I doubt very much Haleigh was in the room when Ron & Misty had sex. Not so sure if she saw Crystal & Chad doing the dirty though, as their home is so small and they have so many kids in it.
Ron stopping at the convenience store for beer and cigarettes is consistent with innocence. If he had an inkling of what was happening, he would not be buying beer….LE was on the way….it was not going to be a party.
Ron sounded devastated and angry in the 911 call. The exact way I’d expect someone to react if they discovered their child was missing when they came home.
No arrests….speaks volumes to me.
All I can say is I hope Lyndsey will be able to pull herself together for herself and those children. I know she is doing what she feels she needs to do. God Bless you Lyndsey.
MY THEORY IS THIS:
haleigh overdosed on some pills.
misty panics and calls tommy.
she admits tommy showed her the dock where “THEY” haleigh in the river.
why would he do that?
and why did cops wait so long to check the river if she told them this info months ago?
or perhaps she drugged the kid to get her to sleep but I doubt that.
with or without a body…misty is looking at 36 yrs. in prison on drug charges.
so sad that innocent kids suffer at the hands of these sociopaths
also i don’t think ron would be smart enuff to think about stoping at a store for an alibi. if he did find out at work what happened to haleigh. he would have had so many thoughts running thru his head and i bet he wouldn’t have thought about stopping at the store. no way. if he was at work and he had just found out, then that means he played no part in it and didnt expect it to happen, no parent would be calm. u think he would have been calm? i dont think so. i think he would have killed misty or tommy right then no questions asked
me: You are so wrong about everything you just opined on.
You have to be an expert in the field to appreciate how dead on Simon is in this post.
People do add much more unnecessary detail when they are lying. They think (subconsciously) that if their story packs a bit of meat, it will be more believable.
No offense, but perhaps some eduction on your part is needed.
Fascinating stuff, Simon!
Guess she isnt going to pine away for all those years Tommys gonna be in jail. jmo
MY THEORY IS THIS:
haleigh overdosed on some pills.
misty panics and calls tommy.
he disposed of the body.
misty will get 25 yrs.
I just wish these losers would come clean and tell the REAL story, but they are all such liars, they wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped them in the face!It is such a shame that our children have to pay the price for such dispicable people! There are so many loving decent people out there that would love to have children, but are phyically unable to, and yet these yo-yo’s breed like rabbits! Hopefully justice will be served very shortly!
tracym it has nothing to do with education it has to do with opinion i also add xtra detail when i am telling the truth so i feel they know i am telling the truth both points make a lot of sense it depends on who u r talking about
CRAP. RIDICULOUS.
the voice of reason shall now make a comment:
the eviseration of Hope on national TV has polluted the information pool..the usual suspects are now saying anything to avoid the same fate. Major blunder on the part of LE, like an elephant stepping on a tube of toothpaste they have squeezed out the wrong information..lies, false leads and red herrings galore.
I’m not sure I buy the accidental death angle, and the reason for that is this. Why dispose of her? Why the big story, and the lies, and all the weird stories of what happened? Why would Tommy help her do that?
i think hopes 15 year sentence is a wake up call for them…they have been giving false leads i think they know now its now or never and it’s not a game they are looking at the same fate. i think it’s a good start to breaking the ice and if lindsey is filing for divorce GOOD FOR HER!!!
Can’t even read this anymore…..Ronald would NEVER EVER do anything to harm his children.
***********So far, isn’t he the *************
ONLY PERSON WHO
has not been caught in lies and deception? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
If not, please enlighten me.
Good job, Simon. Some very good points made.
I still wonder about Ron. I think Ron stopping for cigs and beer are normal for hium. He wants to be high. He just off work.
I think he has some culpability in the situation but no actual involvement in the death.I never have really bought rons crying episodes.
Your scenarios are certainly plausible.
Also, I think many of the ‘players’ families read these blogs. How could they not?
Ron calls her stupid who lets someone stupid make a important 911 phone call about a missing child that is their child? He is there when she says numerical whats that? Then he goes into a tirade over answering whats her birth date. I believe he wanted help but was more involved in ridding the house of drugs.
And if I thought the guy was posibly still around and had guns you can bet I would have one and be outside looking for him. jmo
Not sure I agree with everything Simon, but I do understand it is YOUR OPINION on how things went down. I will be glad when LE and LE only is able to tell us the TRUTH, and the FACTS and makes an arrest and brings HaLeigh JUSTICE!!!! I do believe all the drama and all the people inserting themselves into the case have harmed and hurt the investigation.
Time will bring us the TRUTH! LE do away with all the prepherial (sp) players and ones wanting to profit off of HALEIGH and solve this case.
JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!
Simon, I guess you’ve missed certain members of the Cummings family? Like the biracial children who are dearly loved?
I would bet my house on who three of the collaborators are.
oops, make that four
Naynay and anti-freeze?anyone want to explain what that’s all about?
What a great article, excellent points Simon. I have always thought Ron and his family’s actions afterward were incrdibly suspicious. Way too many red flags
The trunk of NayNays car that was in the junk yard had spilled anti freeze or fabric softener dumped in the trunk.jmo
ronfan said,in May 1st, 2010 at 4:34 pm Can’t even read this anymore…..Ronald would NEVER EVER do anything to harm his children.
***********So far, isn’t he the *************
ONLY PERSON WHO
has not been caught in lies and deception? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
If not, please enlighten me.
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Off the top of my head here is one ” I don’t do drugs” *THUD* that boy has been a doper for a decade at least, and all his ex G/F’s stated he was very violent playing russian roulette, and from what Tim Miller stated he witnessed I’m inclined to believe them. Also, don’t you think being drugged up was dangerous to his kids? When parents are involved in selling, and partaking in drugs the kids have a 70% higher chance of being injured or killed.
I would really like to see those tapes of Ronald at the convenience store.Was he nervous,
hurried?Also Ron not finding his phone could be high stress.Let’s use a little reverse psychology. Misty-”I wouldn’t do anything to hurt that child” Tommy-”I don’t know where she is at”Joe”I didn’t do it and if I knew i would tell LE.
I would really like to see those tapes of Ronald at the convenience store.Was he nervous,
hurried?Also Ron not finding his phone could be high stress.Let’s use a little reverse psychology. Misty-”I wouldn’t do anything to hurt that child” Tommy-”I don’t know where she is at”Joe”I didn’t do it and if I knew i would tell LE.
THANKS TOBIAS re: the anti-freeze in Naynays car!
ronfan said,in May 1st, 2010 at 4:34 pm
“There was no fight over a gun”….ROn
THere you go….1 lie proven to be such by his OWN admission….There are more….
I wonder why Lyndsy is divorcing good ole tommy at this point in time?
I wonder why Lyndsy is divorcing good ole tommy at this point in time?
I mean he his a thief and a druggie and who knws what else, but I imagine she knew that from the start.
Why now? Does she know something more than she did a few weeks ago?
has there been any jail house tapes since the search of the river would love to listen to those
jaba said,in May 1st, 2010 at 5:08 pm I wonder why Lyndsy is divorcing good ole tommy at this point in time?
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its possible she wants to distance herself from the name “croslin”..read that at ws
Rigth on, Simon!
Just wondering if Lindsey is upset that Tommy not only lied to her about his involvement but left their children alone while she was out at class and snuck out again to help out his useless family yet again lying to her later that night. What a mess…..She timed that just right. Bombshell! “and the walls come tumblin’ down”
With Lindsy I believe its like truth or dare.
Reguardless its over for them, she knows he is going away for at least 15 years like Hope. jmo
Also financially if he gets fined like Hope would she be responcible because they are married? $250,000 is a lot of money.jmo
FOR HALEIGH!
Lori said,in May 1st, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Please see the audios of Ron’s jailhouse call to his “friend” where he uses the N word repeatedly as well as says terrible things about how badly they smell. Does that sound like he loves black people? Any of them?
We’ve heard all about Ron’s best friend and his nieces. THat 1 phone call showed the true Ron.
Florida from Pensacola all the way to Orlando is “somewhat racially” divided. We often call the “panhandle” area LA for Lower Alabama. All the stereo types about Alabama still apply. Same for Satsuma/Palatka area. Tallahasse, Orlando, Miami, West Palm, Tampa all are excluded since they are major metropolises (Except Tallahassee being State Capital). The rest of FLorida…small town, deep south mentality for the most part.
Something interesting Craig Brewer, director of Black Snake Moan mentioned in his dvd commentary is that even in closely guarded racially divided areas; the further down the poverty scale you are, the less divided the races are. If born “Poor White Trash” you experience the same types of discrimination & lifestyle issues.
HGM, I have met people like Ron. Even black people like him. Its alright as long as its not in your yard.jmo
Great point about the fine(s) Tobias! I hadn’t thought about the legal obligation to help him pay if still married.
Ronfan….more PROVEN Ron lies…
TO Geraldo “No, I don’t do drugs!”
“No, I don’t sell drugs!”
To Cobra: “I don’t get high”
I’m not trying to pick on you…you asked for us to show you any lies Ronald has been proven to have told.
I can buy the distancing part, a little.
But, if, and a big if she was willing to wait for what he thought was a 3 year stint, why not 15 or a little less?
I can also buy the fine part.
Just seems like quirky timing.
Very interesting, Simon! Great article. kh
Lindsey wouldn’t be responsible for any sort of fine for Tommy’s criminal case. It’s unrealistic to expect them to pay that in cash. They will probably pay it by doing community service work for a very long time.
You for got the one about the drug bust, he said he was inside buying cigarettes and came out and Misty clled him over to the car. He just hppened to be there. That lie came out before he realized there were videos.jmo
ok so he lies, ALOT but we all lie does that make us murderers? does that mean we kill?
Tobias;
I know exactly what you’re talking about….I’ve seen it most of my life and not just about black people. I’ve experienced it myself. My son is of inter-racial ethnicity. He is Caucasian & Chinese. His skin color is such that he could belong to a multitude of ethnic groups. People have a hard time “determining” which group he is in. We had to homeschool him after 911 because of racially provoked bullying and verbal attacks.
ANyway there are some who are “friends” with ethnic peoples but they are friends that are subject to rules that white friends wouldn’t be subject to.
Not saying Ron killed anybody. Ronfan asked us to remind her of any lies Ron has been proven to have told and I wanted to reply to her request with what I remembered. TObias too.
i see, i misunderstood, i apologize
If Ron and Misty had stayed up all night on Sunday night then could someone please explain to me how they were able to manage sleeping in late on Monday morning exactly?
Anyway, I think that sleep depravation could be partly to blame in this case right along with drug use/abuse etc…
I d believe that Ron and Misty were fighting and as we have all been told there was issue with Misty babysitting Haleigh and Jr. that night. When was the babysitting issue discussed exactly?
Was it a continued argument that lasted throughout the day until Haleigh arrived back home from school and then after as well?
Was Haleigh being her happy little self just getting home from school and possibly that she may have stepped in between Ron and Misty going at it? Did Misty hit Haleigh in the back of the head with a piece of wood unintentionally as she was aiming for Ron?
Could any of this have happened away from the MH? Is it true that Ron had been working for his Aunt that day and/or collecting money and if so where was Ron at or working that day exactly?
Neighbor’s reported that Misty drove AWAY from the MH after picking Haleigh up from the bus stop. Where was Misty going that day? Did she meet up with Ron somewhere else? If so WHERE?
Tuff;
I know, Cobra asked Ron the same thing…that was when he claimed to have been the one to pick Haleigh up (diatribe) Is that why he was lying/speaking about such extrenious details? To hide the truth about where Misty went that day, if they met (obviously they did), and what really happened from there.
jessika;
HGM I think that if information related to Ron and Misty’s whereabouts that day were known it might have significance to what happened later on after Haleigh was picked up from the bus stop.
If Daddy Ron was working somewhere that day where (location) was he working?
Is that when the van got scratched? (Maybe not since Chelsea should have noticed it but what if it was dark when she picked it up and didn’t notice until day-light.) Do we know when they picked up the van? Dad delivered to Tommy’s ?
He also lied in that tape when he said Misty was never allowed to drive the van.jmo
Ron sounds like he’d want to be known as some sort of pimp-type. The way he talks to and treats girls, talks tough, carrys guns…
The life of sneaking around with drug use and sales, swapping guns, gettin high surely cost him and those around him.
And above all, he loses a 5 year old child. Awful situation.
I think you’re right Tuff….I think it has everything to do with what happened later. That’s why it has been so important to lie and maintain those lies for all this time.
Why has it been so important for LE & us to believe that Ron picked Haleigh up instead of Misty? Just the alleged slap incident? or something bigger?
HGM at this point I question whether any single one of them have told the truth period and that includes miss Chelsea. (The timid guy’s wife.)
He lied because Misty picked those kids up and she had no license and he knew child services would be after him for it. I believe Misty picked her up like all the people at the bus stop said. They had no reason or motive to lie. jmo
Since Lyndsay is filing for divorce, charges are about to come down. I think Tommy will be going away for a long time.
Simon, your story sounds as if it could be close to what may have happened. I think, however, there were more people involved getting rid of Haleigh’s body. Tommy would have had to get the van, and it was over at Timmy’s. Joe was over at Timmy’s, and I think Timmy, Tommy, and Joe helped with Ron’s and MC’s knowledge.
If what has been rumored about Ron rolling Misty into a ball is true then would Misty possibly pick up a piece of wood and swing it wildly to defend herself with if Ron had attempted to attack her again?
Would Ron physically attack Misty over this argument about babysitting?
jmo, I think it is possible.
HGM, yOU KNOW MY THEORY BUT i STILL CANT STAND 100% BEHIND IT. JMO BBL
Maybe ron and/or misty driving herself, went on a drug run that day after the kid pick up.maybe that’s why there stories contradict each other.
“Dad” wasn’t delivering to anybody. He was in the hospital.
I sure can see why all the facts only people have fled.
Karon….I agree
I believe those are the people involved…only thing I am unsure of is exactly what caused her death….OD is high on list of possibilities though.
Lori said,in May 1st, 2010 at 6:04 pm
YOu’re right…I was momentarily confused…dad delivered the next day post JO hanging posters with Misty
Give it a rest…the “facts only people” fled because the only facts they cared about are now being proven lies….
they need to be ashAMED for all the time they have helped protect KILLERS.
Does anyone recall hearing chatter of Misty hitting Haleigh in the head with a piece of wood prior to Grammie Holler mentioning it on NG?
I know I sure haven’t.
Where/who did that story come from? I know GH says that she cannot recall but I find that hard to believe. I think that GH knows exactly who told her that.
Tuff;
It could also explain the “and she was doing fine then” statement. If she had been struck but didn’t have symptoms right away type deal.
Dad meaning Ron? What was he in for?
Like the skier who hit her head and was fine for hours then died. It was an actors wife I believe. jmo
Dad meaning Hank Sr… car wreck injuries.
any loving father would have got his shot gun and went into the woods with a kick ass flashlight screaming her name..I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IF HE EVEN WENT OUTSIDE HIS DOUBLE WIDE TO LOOK FOR HIS BABY!!!
Ron insisted he picked up Haleigh from school that day because he had to find an excuse as to why Haleigh’s dna was found on his pelvic area. He let her sit on his lap on the way home from school, creating an alibi for why his bottom half of his body had Haleigh’s dna.
Tobias:
Exactly. Possible even that there had been concerns about whether to take to the hospital or not. Might have also been reason to medicate her. Thus guilt and liability for NOT providing prompt medical care. If it happened in Ron’s presence more reason for cover-up.
I also noticed that Grammie Hollar’s telling of her conversation with Tommy clearly shows that she led Tommy to give a particular answer. She was leading him.
It might have been accidental but who knows?
Makes no difference at this point. Tommy denies having such a conversation at all. I believe that Grammie H. was most likely pining for the truth one way or another regardless.
Who knows best how to speak to these people than their own GrandMother right?
GH was at least making an attempt and I give her some credit for that.
JM;
Holy Moly! That’s a new though…for me at least.
If Ron didn’t know what really happened he would of busted some heads that night…what exactly did he do after the cops left that house the night Haleigh went missing? Did he go anywhere did he make phone calls …or did he drink beer and get high with misty…
.HE WOULD HAVE GONE BALISTIC AND TRASHED THE TRAILER..BROKE TOMMY UP AND JOE AND MISTY..HE WOULD HAVE GONE OUT OF HIS MIND AND HURT THESE PEOPLE TILL THEY TALKED. YOU WERE AT MY HOUSE WITH MY DAUGHTER AND NOW SHE IS GONE..WHERE’S MY CHILD.
Ms. Richardson, who was not wearing a helmet, had fallen during a beginner’s skiing lesson, a resort spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie, said Tuesday. “It was a normal fall; she didn’t hit anyone or anything,” Ms. Lortie said. “She didn’t show any signs of injury. She was talking and she seemed all right.”
Still, an instructor and a ski patrol member accompanied her off the slopes, and when Ms. Richardson complained of a headache about an hour later in her hotel, she was taken by ambulance to a hospital nearby and later transferred to one in Montreal. She was flown to Lenox Hill on Tuesday afternoon.
JM what’s this about haleighs dna on Rons pelvic region?
Thx hgm.
C-A;
I have to agree.
Tuff; I agree about G H. She can only tell what she has been told. Doesn’t make any of it the truth. I think at least 1 of the senarios is true. Something that occured to me. There are 3 “stories” from GH as to what happened and 3 grand kids. So 1 story per grand kid.
Now which story belongs to whom?
Story 1: JO held Misty at knife point belongs to Misty
Story 2: OD story belongs to Tommy
Story 3: Misty hit Haleigh in the head with a piece of wood belongs to JO?
Is that why she didn’t want to say who told her that story? Because it’s JO’s account of what happened? Might even be true.
HollysGmom said,in May 1st, 2010 at 6:11 pm Tuff;
It could also explain the “and she was doing fine then” statement. If she had been struck but didn’t have symptoms right away type deal.
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I agree or struck by a fist, it’s called Talk and Die syndrome, Natasha Richardson died from this and it would explain alot IMO
tobias said,in May 1st, 2010 at 6:13 pm Like the skier who hit her head and was fine for hours then died. It was an actors wife I believe. jmo
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Natasha Richardson, she was an actor also and married to Liam Neeson
There’s no other reason for Ron to lie, other than to establish physical contact with Haleigh, in that area. Remember, le took all of their clothing that early morning, down to their underwear.
No other reason for Ron to establish such a line of bull.
Any one in the hood hear Ron looking for her that night, screaming her name?
Their clothes were taken by LE the morning of Feb 10th 2009. If Ron had Haleigh on his lap just prior to leaving for work (notice he never mentioned changing his clothes) then her skin cells could be on his pants/lap region.
Him claiming Haleigh was sitting on his lap would explain why her DNA was on him…there.
Did any wonder why the PDM employee said Ron was in the cafeteria and that he usually ate somewhere else but that night he was there. I wished I had the link to that statement. jmo
Gotta run…talk to you all later!
Grandma Hollars has been getting calls from people about their “theories”. She doesn’t even know who these people are. Her telephone number must be out there/listed. The funny thing is tho, she reports these threories to the Florida State PD. That was a theory, Misty hitting HaLeigh. NG came up with the 2X4.
Whether he picked her up or didn’t pick Haleigh up from school is irrelevant, imo, he made sure to mention that contact, knowing how illegal it is to sit a child that young in your lap and drive. 2+2=4 but if you’re Ronald Cummings, 2+2=867
Although I wont be suprised when/if we find out he did have some involvement, I don’t understand why Ron would help them cover it up. If he found out about it at work, why would he risk being implicated, by helping them. I would just call the police right there at work. Especially being a drug dealer already, Why would you claim kidnapping and bring more police interest to you door than just turning Misty in? I really think people are giving these idiots too much credit.
Does anyone recall how Misty said something to the affect that she didn’t to anything with, then stopped and changed her wording to say “to” that little girl?
I don’t think I have the wording correct on that so I did not quote on purpose.
Remember Ron saying “She kissed and loved on me, said she’d see me when I got home from work”.
All the verbage he used to describe that load of bull was nothing but lies. If we were to believe it, then Haleigh had a normal routine of waking up at *3ish* in the morning to see him when he got home from work? The phrase “she kissed me and loved on me” is establishing further back up’s for Ron to explain why Haleigh’s dna was all over him, imo.
I heard it . Its on the statement she made on the porch with her mom next to her and she is wearing a green hoodie with circles.jmo
Right noisnapxe? That makes no sense really when you step back and look at it. It really seems that Ron had to have known something about it already before going to work.
Would Ron cover for Misty if she had accidently hit Haleigh in the head with a piece of wood?
I am not so sure about that.
Would Misty cover for Ron if Ron had taken a swing at Misty with a piece of wood and had hit Haleigh in the head with it?
I believe that might be a more likely situation if I had to choose between the two scenarios.
She says I didnt do anything to/with that little girl.I loved that little girl like my own. ( which I find odd since she has no own children).
tuff..she did say that…your wording is correct. “with” is the truth…that she didn’t want to reveal. She did something WITH that little girl and likely to her as well.
what does misty know about loving a child at 17 and one that she has only just met! Sounds like more “detailing” to cover up the truth.
Here it is Tuffstuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E&feature=related
The main subject of the article here is the lies. They have created such an elaborate story in their little drugged out infested world that the simplest things failed. They were not alone from the minute they made the 911 call. Teresa was there in under 5min., her own words (even tho she was dead asleep and lived 15 miles away). There were LE, news crews, search teams, all kinds of people around all of them for months after HaLeigh’s disappearance.
I am so glad Lindsey filed for divorce. I hope along with changing her name she has the fore sight to change her childrens’ names too. This mess will follow them for a very long time.
tobias said,in May 1st, 2010 at 6:13 pm Like the skier who hit her head and was fine for hours then died. It was an actors wife I believe. jmo
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I know thats true Tobias,Thank God for shock,my husband was hit in the head and it was a scratch and he never knew he’d been hit……2 hrs later,OMG I wouldn’t have even known him if the nurse had not took me to him,then he was gone!
tobias said,in May 1st, 2010 at 6:42 pm She says I didnt do anything to/with that little girl.I loved that little girl like my own. ( which I find odd since she has no own children).
Even in the 911 call Tobias,Misty said “our daughter”
Oh Yeah, ty for the post!
My guess is she’s divorcing him because she now know he is going to be locked up for much of his life.
She needs support, they have 2 children, right?
I want to hear from Step parents how long did it take you to say our daughter or son once you started dating the father. I have no experience with this so I dont know. jmo
She also talks past tense in that video and it was shot on the 12th. jmo
You can note, that the 911 call was the ONLY time ever that Misty referred to Haleigh as her daughter. She never again referred to Haleigh or Jr as her daughter or son. Do we have any video footage of Misty pleading for Haleigh’s return? And as the devoting, loving mommy wannabe that she was, why wasn’t she more proactive in searching for Haleigh, to clear her name if nothing else? No, instead she’s out selling dope from 4 am to midnight. She deemed Haleigh her *daughter* on the 911 call for script purposes and script purposes alone.
out of all of them who else talks in past tense near the begining of all this…i think that says alot
Tobias,I hate to sound like a repeat constantly but my dtr’s hubby has been with her and my grandson 5 yrs now and he’s 10 and neither call one another son or dad!
jmvho but Misty’s statement says to me that she knows what happened to Haleigh and that she most likely also knows who took Haleigh.
She weakly justifies her comments by adding that part about loving “that little girl” like she was her own.
During the 911 call Misty gives a different tone by describing to the 911 operator “our daughter”.
Misty started out by saying “to” and to me she is showing that she knows that something had happened “to” Haleigh. She trips up on the wording because she realized that it didn’t fit correctly with the story that Haleigh had been “taken”.
again, jmvho.
and…the main subject of the lives of these people is LIES..precisely why we don’t know where haleigh is…
Lindsey and Tommy have 3 kids and she just finished nursing school, for an lpn cert.
In the layered voice analysis Misty took, she said she went to grab her phone to “call Ron and see if he had come home and left the door open”. That suggests to me that it was not out of the norm for Ron to use that door AND Ron has skipped out of work in the past. Obviously it was not a foreign concept to Misty. She did not say it was a pick lock artist, not a break in, but went directly to Ron. As I said in another forum, that puts Ronald Cummings at the scene of the crime, in my opinion.
Simon,you say you find it odd that Cummings isn’t upset about Misty having sex with WBG and that apparently that part of Florida is evenly mixed when it comes to races.
Should race factor into his being upset or could we leave it as odd that he wasn’t upset that Misty had sex with another man?
Not sure where you heard that it is well known that Misty had used drugs to make the children sleep in the past,but I have a good guess as to where it came from.Cobra….anyone?
The children have been drug tested,yet still they stayed with Ron in spite of Misty drugging them in the past?
How many do not know the proper way per DCF to correct children?
Cummings saying the way DCF says to spank does not mean he was warned or counseled by DCF due to past issues with the children.
Regarding not hearing Cummings yell for HaLeigh on the 911 call….Listen to the very beginning,right after the operator says what is your emergency.Cummings can be heard yelling “HaLeigh”
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130948/-1/SPORTS0102?Title=Listen_now__The_911_call
JM – WHAT!???
Are you serious? Is this documented anywhere that he had her dna on his pelvic area? I would hate to wrongly accuse such a horrific crime.
If this is true it would explain why he made that story up, he went to such lengths to make Misty say the right things as to not implicate them with ch services, and such, that saying he let her drive is insane, because that would surely implicate him to maybe lose custody, etc. and would go against his mo for proclaiming his own parenting perfection. WOW
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I really want to know if this is a true piece of evidence. I don’t know why else he would create such an elaborate lie which actually implicated him in putting his child in danger, setting off huge red flags. This would explain it though.
I wrote something up in the wee hours of the morning and posted it to my blog, I would love you input, just click my name and add a comment because I wonder what you all think. Please feel free to add to it to make up scenarios. This mystery needs solved badly. I appreciate your input.
One other thing I left out is the scenario of her being alive somewhere. Bio mom has grown increasingly quiet along with LE, only talking when she was told NOT to, saying Joe killed her baby. I found that odd.
I also want to know what everyone thinks about Hope repeatedly saying they are ALL STEPS AHEAD OF LE, AND I don’t think she means all in regards to the drug charges, because she didn’t do much with that, she pled no contest, which leads me to believe the only other thing they could all be steps ahead of is the LE finding more evidence and the TRUTH! So – WHAT DOES HOPE KNOW, AND WAS SHE THERE that night?! I wish I knew~ but most of all, I hope LE knows all about Hope!
I feel like making a flow chart with all the possibilities, but I think it would be massive. Especially due to not having a good timeline of where everyone really was.
I think the questions about the patterns are vital. I know the same goes for my husband, as he goes to the gas station just as you Simon, and the attendant should have some info on how Ron was acting. It might be visible in the tape also, if he was nervous, etc., and maybe you could see if anyone else was lingering around in or outside with him, sometimes you can see through the glass and see if his car or van or people were with him.
Maybe his mom was there? I noticed you said his work had him in a location not highly monitored, I was unaware of this when I made my posting I want you all to look at, but it would back up the scenario of someone watching out while he was gone from work to take care of business and stuff, interesting!
ok, enough of my babbling, hope you all are well tonight.
Does any one remember she says on the raw footage of her hypnosis that Junior was freaking out too? Yet on the 911 you dont hear him at all why? jmo bbl
I wonder how much and what kind of stuff had to be emptied from the trailer that night.You know it was something illegal.
I’m also starting to buy in to the Ron trying to protect himself and his custody of kids and thus lying about things. He knows all to well how the system works.
Chromedaffodils, just saying that her dna might be found in his levic area does not automatically mean anything of sexual nature. Is your pelvic area not your pelvic area when you have clothes on?
If, say for instance, that Ron’s story is that he showered, got ready for work, saw Haleigh kissed her on the forhead and left for work, if there is Haleigh’s dna found on his clothing in the pelvic area it would surely create doubt and suspicion as to how Haleigh’s dna were found there right?
I mean that is the way that I took it anyway.
One also has to wonder if Ron slammed that beer he bought or if it was in the fridge. My bets are he had alcohol on his breath & I’d also be willing to wager that beer he bought was not his first of the evening. Wonder if he submitted to an alcohol test?
Thanks TuffStuff, I appreciate that. It was exactly my point.
I am a step parent and I have referred to my step son’s doctor’s office as my son and our son. I just didn’t want to go into the fact that he was my step son and explain why I was calling instead of his dad and take the chance that they (doctor’s office) would not talk to me. I had been in their lives for about 4 years at the time and my husband had full custody of my step son. Thinking about it now I was actually being deceptive in not stating that he was my step son.
I don’t think I would have said that if I had only known them for a several months.
If he bought a 40 that would 3 plus beers on the way home.
And in wondering about the pelvic area, have to also wonder about his odd statement of “she kissed & loved on me, said she’d see me when i got home from work”. Really? So it was normal for Haleigh to be up at 3am? Did the phrase “kiss and loved on me” mean slobber? Bodily fluids? Why is he covering so much there?
He also punched the wall that night. Guess punching walls in his mind equals searching for your daughter.
Hope Misty and Ron were not married and had only been together a few months when she said it.
I had dated a man with Children way back when and never did I assume that it was ok to call them my own Children. They weren’t. Had we gotten married I might have thought differently, who knows?
Here is the most logical explanation as to why Ron stopped at the convenience store to buy 1 beer, cigarettes, and nuts before heading home to Misty.
He was out of cigarettes and needed one! (If you are a nicotine addict you will stop to get those cigs!) The one beer was to drink in the car on the way home. (Maybe he knew he had more beer at home already). The nuts were by the counter when he checked out so feeling a little hungry he picked them up too.
I have felt from the very start he knew,reason?
Because i would had someone calling 911 and i would be running all over the place outside calling Haleigh!
Everyone knows if a child goes missing your not going to be in the house on the phone or saying stuff in the back ground, you would have a phone in hand because time is everything it means weather you ever see your child again!
I really don’t want to belive he knew, but your right somethings wrong with this picture. I can picture them finding her dead after she had went to bed like at the movies seeing all of them down at the river letting little Haleigh’s body go in the night!
They know they can not tell the truth about what happend to her, because they would all be in jail!! Sad for little Haleigh just like caylee,
The people who they loved and trusted can not tell the truth about what happend to there little girls!
JM I had seen a video where it was mentioned that Ron had apparently punched a bumper at some point. So were the injuries on his fist due to punching a bumper or the wall?
Who punches a bumper? LOL!
Ron was calling Misty all night long, according to him, he couldn’t reach her. They had a big fight, Misty left and partied HARD for 3 days prior to it all. And you’re going to paint the “no big deal” portrait? Misty, the cheater, the druggy, the chick who just ditched for 3 days was home w/his kids & would not answer the phone. So what does he do? He stops at a convenience store? Why the dilly dally? He didn’t stop because he was having a nicotine fit. He stopped because he knew there was surveillance & he would establish his alibi. Any loving father would have gone home FIRST to make sure all was okay at home, then gone back out and gotten smokes. Not like it was a blizzard & 40 below out. Nuh uh, not buyin’ it.
Tuff – yes I completely agree with you on your 7:22 post. That’s why I wrote the last sentence.
Tuff, I’ll have to dig, it was reported he punched a wall and had bloody knuckles, but I’ll see if I can’t back it up w/a credible source. If you view the footage of him down on the ground the morning after, holding Haleigh’s picture up, you can see his knuckles are rough looking. But I think that’s due to the walk through the woods he had that evening, enroute to burying the evidence. Tommy and/or Joe picked up Ron down the road from PDM. That’s my opinion. That pink shirt that Haleigh allegedly was wearing? I’d bet the farm that has Ron’s dna all over it, another reason for his story that he picked her up from the bus stop.
more comment from me. Many people do not have a schedule of when they buy their cigarettes. I certainly didn’t when I was a smoker. It was whenever I ran out. Ron may have stress-smoked more than usual earlier that evening because Misty wasn’t answering the phone which is why he needed to stop on the way home. As for Ron saying where’s my phone, I’m addicted to my cell phone and on it all the time but I misplace it in my home quite regularly because I’ll set it down in various places. He may have walked in and set it down on a counter and then was like, ‘where’s my phone’. I see that as normal behaviour. As for Misty calling 911 I think that is normal too. Ron walks in, doors open, no Hayleigh. He wakes Misty and says where’s Hayleigh? She says she doesn’t know and they call 911 with Misty dialing. As for Ron not panicking, it is possible that at that point he wasn’t assuming great harm had befallen Hayleigh. Maybe it was a prank by someone or Hayleigh had gone out herself.
JM IIRC it was footage taken in front of the MH by a reporter out of Florida.
Simon, you are intitled to your opinion…I just don’t agree.
Tuff, I stand corrected, it was the door. If you google it, there it is.
thanks simon…im just sick of reading of the i love ron/misty fanclub….HALEIGH DIED BECAUSE OF ALL THESE LOSERS…FULLSTOP.
Justice for caylee..prayers fro Haleigh.xxx..
The “accidental drug overdose” theory makes sense. I am torn between that and a drug retaliation. Both answer most questions and explain the lies and cover-up by all involved. I have one question that I am hoping somebody can answer….LE has deemed this a “Homicide” investigation now. If it was an accidental OD would this be considered a homicide? What is the legal definition of “Homicide” as used by the law and in the courts?
JM, I would hope a daughter would have her dna on her dad. I’m a grandmother I can assure you that my grandson’s dna can be found all over me. I rock him, wipe his nose, clean his butt, bathe him, sleep with him, feed him give him his sippie cup, he spits on me, drools on me, sneezes on me, scratches me, pulls my hair, science would probably have a hard time determining where I end and he begins! GET REAL!
Not really, Crystal failed Haleigh whereas Ronald is responsible for her demise, in my oh so humble opinion.
IMO i think if ron was guilty and covering something up he would not have had misty call 911? she is dumb
Toughenough, that’s your opinion. My point wasn’t whether or not a child’s dna can be found on a parent or not, rather to determine whether Ronald picked up Haleigh was a lie or truth, because otherwise, if he got ready for work & never saw her, went directly to work, or if he only saw her for a minute & gave her a kiss goodbye, then there should be no reason for her dna to be all over him, k? As well as various, obvious other reasons.
JM how are you connected to this case? which side of the family is it that you know?
I’ve never met one single person on either side of this in my life jessica, why the interest? Do you want to know my blood type too?
nope i just find it odd you talking about things in this case i haven’t heard about before such as the dna on ron…and a few other things…could have just been some stuff i missed but i thought i covered it all…hmm
To me DNA on the outside of his pants DOES NOT in any way prove some “messing” was going on. If it were underwear, that would be a different story. I think the subject should be left alone for now.
Question:
“HollysGmom said,in May 1st, 2010 at 6:26 pm Their clothes were taken by LE the morning of Feb 10th 2009. If Ron had Haleigh on his lap just prior to leaving for work (notice he never mentioned changing his clothes) then her skin cells could be on his pants/lap region.
Him claiming Haleigh was sitting on his lap would explain why her DNA was on him…there.”
Has this come back as a fact, that Haleigh’s DNA was on his clothing, specifically in his goin area?? This is the first I’ve heard of this, is it speculation, or the beginning of a new rumor?? Why would anyone even go to this point if it isn’t a truth or a fact..
I would advise that if it hasn’t ever been released from pcso and not a known fact, one should be careful to speculate on these topics.
It was a good discussion with everyone. Much appreciated. I have a buzzing sound in my ear right now, almost a hissing noise that is just driving me up the wall so catch ya’all later.
tomorrow on nancy grace BOMBSHELL, haleighs dna found on ron’s pelvic area!!!
OMG people, give it a rest. It was a possible scenario as to why Ron made up stories as to who picked up Haleigh AND why he would illegally place his small child on his lap to drive home, putting his *heart* in a boatload of danger. The point about Ron’s story is whether or not he used it to establish a reason why Haleigh’s dna was plastered all over him (as well I’m sure her pink shirt). Calm down!
tomorrow on AH “you heard it exclusively here on baldharris.com and as I was the first to report from my sources…Chelsea has filed for divorce.
JM:
Don’t worry. The sun is going down. It tends to get kind of mean and scary around here at dusk. Been there myself, attacked that is.
It’s quite obvious that some have not even read this article thoroughly or followed the facts of this case. Everything is right there at your fingertips if you are really interested in the facts of this bunch of thugs including, the lying Grandmas. How sickening is that. They have all lost a precious little girl and all they care about is covering for themselves.
Who is attacking?
Tobias:
I have a stepson who lived with his dad and me. I started right away saying our son. I have a son of my own and my husband has his son. I talked to my stepson and explained to him that I wasn’t trying to take his mom’s place, but I didn’t want to go into the fact that he was my stepson to strangers. People can be foolish in their remarks to a strpchild, at times. He agreed, and he often called me my mom to others. His mother rarely ever saw him, and I truly did play the role of Mom to him. If the child’s mother is actively in his life that could be a different situation.
When you have two boys standing there side by side, and you introduce one as your son and the other as your stepson, it seems to diminish the stepchild.
I understood in that 9-1-1 call why Misty didn’t want to take the time to go into the stepchild scenario. That would have been another bunnytrail. When LE got there, there was time to explain who the mother and father of the child are.
What’s ur blood type, JM?
Ron got cigs and beer because he is a hard core smoker and couldn’t wait to get ‘high’ until he got home.
He went straight home from there right? We know when he left work, right?, we know what time the 911 call was made. Why would a 7-11 alibi do anything for him? Cell towers would have tracked him, no?
Also, I wonder if or how many times he tried to call misty or someone else on the way home. Before and after the 7-11 stop.
stilllucy i have read the facts and i haven’t seen anything about the dna yet jm still puts out there like its a fact. im just confused about alot of things that jm says. i am not attacking…well ok maybe i am a little, more amused than anything
Tobias, my husband calls my son “his son”. When we discuss the kids, it’s usually “our kids”. My son calls him by his name, but will refer to him as his step-father when speaking to others.
None of this can be confirmed, and to go forward with it would be journalistic suicide.
Thats says it all for me, I won’t be back. Now its time to puke.
the voice of reason shall now make a comment:
we have just witnessed how rumours get started..
the whole dna on the pants thing..
Re: lies and oxycontin. Don’t believe anything TN says. Remember her interview on NG when she said that Haleigh would never “accidentally” take an oxy because “she (TN herself)has had to take it” and “it tastes nasty”. Why have so many people blown right past these statements? Oxycontin is a VERY TINY time release tablet that has NO TASTE unless you either chew it up or crush it and snort it, both of which are done by abusers of the drug to bypass the time release. The tiny size and the coating render it virtually impossible to taste otherwise. Plus, when did TN “have to take it”? Also, in another NG interview she commented on the supposed banging on the door by Tommy. She immedietly responded by protecting Misty by saying that the children would have been much more likely to wake up to banging on the door than Misty would have been. What? What? No way. Children of that age sleep right through that kind of noise, a good babysitter would surely have woken up to banging and checked it out way before kids would. TN has shamelessly protected Misty many times, TN knows something. What kind of grandmother would protect her son’s flakly GF this way. Her answers in interviews that defend Misty come real quick too. Too quick. How has this not been noticed or have I missed something? I tried to post this to NG’s blog but got zero feedback. I’m convinced that TN is involved in some way, at the very least she is part of the oxycontin angle.
i dont think anybody went ahead with anything everything that simon posted is his opinion. it gives a good out look on a possibility never once was it said that they were facts but pointed out a few times these are speculation. so go puke and have fun
OJ’s glove said,in May 1st, 2010 at 8:17 pm the voice of reason shall now make a comment:
we have just witnessed how rumours get started..
the whole dna on the pants thing..
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You’ve got that right
laurainfla very good points
Read the preceding article to this blog.
Ron had been involved with child protective services for abuse allegations that can not be confirmed because of the nature of the alegations. Could have been sexual or physical. Simon refers to them in the article.
Misty has also made statements herself that Ron had been known to leave work and slip home. She had slipped up and said that to people on occasion. Who else knew that? Misty and Ron have so many inconsistencies in their stories it’s hard to keep track of what is where but, YouTube has alot of them. GretaWire on YouTube even pauses at points and shows the discrepency. Made me a believer.
With all of the lies and innuendos, who knows anything to be fact or fiction at this point. Let’s all play nice in the sand box, please.
yes could be fact or fiction…just because something is a possibility doesnt make it a fact
Simon, as much as Jan tries to protect the abuse and innocence of children I am appalled that you would post this based on hearsay.
Here is your quote:
There also appears to be a sexual angle, though not sex abuse in the normal sense. Rather, Haleigh was often in the same room as Ron and Misty while they were having sex. Apparently Haleigh exhibited some strange behavior at school, likely emulating what she had seen at home that got school officials very concerned. None of this can be confirmed, and to go forward with it would be journalistic suicide. But it does provide yet more background on the type of people involved.
“Everyone seems to be in broad agreement that this was not the first time that she had used this method of sleep induction.”
Really? How about some proof and elaboration on this?
Who is saying HaLeigh was acting out sexual imitation at school? Also, why would this mean that anyone was having sex intentionally and repeatedly in front of her? That is ridiculous. First of all, I do not believe that for a moment. Secondly, it is pretty scarring but true that children have accidentally saw or walked in on parents at night during sex. This does not make the parents bad but perhaps a lesson learned on being more careful. Regardless, there is no proof of this.
Ronald was admonished for rough discipline before, really? I guess he was not “abusive enough” to take the children away? C’mon now… This is REALLY reaching!
I suppose that if Ronald left his job as crane operator, he left his cell phone there at work while he made the long drive back home and then back to work? This is ludicrous to even believe he left work without detection from someone. There is communication at the workplace. If he was being checked on or called on and he was not there, he could lose his job. If he was involved, which is BS and will be proven as such, why would he be suspicious enough to leave work and risk being caught absence in the first place? Did he tell someone he was leaving and threatened to kill them if they told, and thus they are still quiet? Ha, PUH-lease!
It is never that cold there. Sure, it can get chilly and breezy. What would be so odd about children eating on a partially closed-in porch after an earlier hot day? Nothing at all! Maybe Annette liked to do the kids’ laundry, as she said, because she has years of experience with getting out stains– maybe more so than a young man who worked usually long hours at his job. Perhaps, she cared a lot about the appearance of her gorgeous little great grandkids? I know plenty of grandmas who are the same way. There is not one thing strange about that.
Okay, now Ronald is giving too much detail about picking his daughter up from the bus stop? The bus driver and a parent have Misty in a van picking the kids up? These witnesses could be wrong, and I believe they are. Could they have seen Chelsea or someone else? She said she was in the van that Misty would have been driving, had she been the one picking them up. As far as the details, this was the last memory Ronald has of his precious daughter. The turn signals are an intimate detail from someone remembering the vivaciousness and cuteness of his smart little girl. He is recalling the last time he saw HaLeigh, his heart and soul! Why would he not have pulled up all that he can remember? Shortly after that, he kissed her goodbye and never saw again. Obviously, this last moment with her is going to stand out and be golden to the man!
“I find it odd that Ronald would have no problems with Misty having sex with White Boy Greg.”
Who says he does not have problems with it? Oh, I guess because he did not express his rage to everyone else. My guess is that the fact his daughter is missing pretty much trumped giving a damn about that. He loved Misty and had faith in her, and he forgave her. What person would be thinking too straight and logically when something irrational and tragic has occurred? Perhaps, he did harbor guilt as far as he was not able to protect her and wondered if he could not have prevented this. We can ridicule him for marrying Misty all day, but a decision we may not agree with or do not understand has absolutely no meaning in whatever happened to sweet HaLeigh.
Ronald is not a racist either. Oh, I have heard the jail calls… In jail, people of different races call each other by “nigger” and “whitey” and often do not think anything of it. Some white people and black people call the “opposing” race these “derrogatory” names when they do not like people of the opposite race but are respectful of those that they do like. Who cares who agrees with it or calls that rubbish. It is that way. Ronald has a niece and a nephew that are bi-racial, and he would die for them. He loves them with all of his heart, and he also likes their father. One of his best friends is an African American man. He’s not a damn racist, and to state that he is can be labeled what it is: a crock of SHIT.
I cannot help but scoff at Mr. Hyatt and wonder why he does not want his name used. I also cannot help but shake my head as far as someone saying “my daughter” meaning sexual abuse. Are you KIDDING me? He says my daughter, my baby girl, my heart, and very often he says HaLeigh. She was his daughter, by the way. I always say my daughter, especially when one of my daughters are visiting their father out of state… as if she is “mine” and I miss her and hate her not being at home. It makes me feel closer to her, just as she says “my Mommy” instead of just “Mommy.” This word game crap is horrendous. Ronald is not a child abuser, by any means. Suggesting otherwise is nauseating and ourageous.
Stopping at the gas station? He did stop for things whenever he got off from work, quite frequently, just as I used to when I worked long hours. If he and Misty were fighting, he may have had time to calm down by the time his shift ended and figured she was ignoring him or mad at him… or sleeping. He may have rationalized it. Who would ever dream of coming home to what he did? Because he was not having a panic attack, he is a bad person or suspicious? Get real. The man was getting off of work and going home as usual, period. People are mentioning his appearance on security camera as “hinky” in the timeline, so if he was so calculating and guilty and interested in protecting himself then would he not realize that people would question this? Ronald is smart, but he is not malicious. He was not involved in anything, and the fact he stopped for a snack and beer and smokes basically shows how “normal” he is. Good grief!
“Why did Misty call? Ronald has just got home and discovered that his daughter is missing, why does he get Misty to make the call?” & “where is my god damn phone”
*sigh* Ronald told Misty to call 911. She was the last one seen with HaLeigh and the last known adult with her. Ronald was at work, so what details could he provide? He was not there! He was pissed she had not already called and instructed her to do so! Plus, he was irrational, and he was calling out for HaLeigh and looking for her. What, because we cannot hear it on the 911 call it means it never happened? The man is in total shock and does not know what to think or what to do. He reacted the way many people react in intense and devastating situations, and he was angry… sad… astonished… and anxious, rightfully so.
“I have to make some assumptions, but they are reasonable ones. Ronald was present during the entire 911 call. If he arrived home in the middle of it why was he not screaming blue murder? He is remarkably controlled.”
Where does this even come from? He said that when he got home, he was surprised to see Misty awake and immediately wondered what was up. He felt that something was wrong whenever he pulled in! He has said that he made her call 911. Why is any of this even a question? Also, who in their right mind feels that Ronald was remarkably controlled? I have not ever heard one reasonable person come to that conclusion at all. This man was uncontrollable and emotional, as would I be if I came home to this situation.
“I have better people to talk to, where is my cell phone”?
You are misquoting Ronald here. He said that they have better people to talk to then a mother f-er who ain’t comin’ and told her to hang up the phone. He felt that the police were not coming fast enough and was going nuts waiting and impatient. He wanted his daughter and, as many people on 911 calls, they do not comprehend that the operator is trying to keep the situation “at bay” until help arrives. He saw it in that moment as they were stalling and asking too many questions but not getting there. This is not freaking unusual at all!
“If she was sleeping when Ronald got home why didn’t Ronald call 911?”
DUH, Ronald has said she was awake! Ronald did not call 911 because he was looking for HaLeigh and going crazy knowing his daughter was gone, and Misty had the details they might need because SHE was the one there when this occurred… not Ronald.
Does anyone think that lies and rumors are helping this “case”? This is real life for these people, and this is not just some case or some story. While many people care and want to find the truth, they rely on innuendo that could not be further from the truth! What does that solve? When it is proven that Ronald had NOTHING to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance, will all of this crap STOP? Sadly, I believe it will not because people do not want to be wrong. People “just know” and fall in love too much with a theory rather than following REAL evidence. This is not what blind justice is, contrary to popular belief. Bless HaLeigh, Ronald, Jr., Teresa, Annette, and all who love and care for them…
My blood pressure does rise every time I read such garbage, It’s such a crying shame that people use tragedies to make internet buddies, get fans, and feel like some kind of expert. HaLeigh is a gorgeous little girl who needs to be home now, and the person(s) responsible and with knowledge need to have a damn heart and come forward. Then again, if they had a heart then HaLeigh would still be with her Daddy right now. People bashing Ronald are bashing the man who provided for her, loves her, read to her every night, and misses her more than any of us can understand.
I think this is shameful. This DCF source that leaked this information should have leaked this, if it is true when Junior was still living with Ronald and the investigation ended with clearing Ronald and allowing Junior to remain in the home.
If this information about DCF is correct then the people that live in Florida should demand that a complete investigation into the opperations of that department.
I am shocked that no one that has commented on this article has mentioned this outrage. If this all happened in this case, then it most likely has happened in others. I also wonder since TJ Hart has confirmed that Crystal failed a drug test, exactly how safe Junior is now, if DCF is this lax when placing children.
One other thing, about the whole confusion about racially divided, I thought that Ronald’s sister has children fathered by an African American, in fact there are pictures of HaLeigh her cousin. I also seem to remember early in the case, that Ronald is close friends with an African American.
Before someone makes hay, yes I heard the words that Ronald used in jail, but it does not change the fact that Ronald does have family members that are African American. This leads me to believe that Ronald’s problem with Misty sleeping with WBG would be more about her sleeping with another man, regardless of his race.
AMEN!
My take is that Ron has racial issues. His having family members that are AA doesn’t count, cause it was NOT him that chose to. It’s that simple, he used the word in/out of anger… what does that say?
in the last set of audios ron said to cobra..
concerning wbg, “she was Fin a Nword!”
People can sugarcoat his use of the N-word all they want. The fact that he said it while pissed, AND in casual conversation over the phone is very telling. I guess he should have screened Misty more carefully for her likes/dislikes before courting her!
BPrising:
Please provide a link stating Ron read to his daughter every night..This is the first time I’ve heard that he read to Haleigh nightly..Jeezzz, that didn’t leave him much time for dealing drugs, did it?
Why would anyone think that it was impossible that Haleigh could have witnessed sexual activity between Ron and Misty? Didn’t her bed area consist of a tiny matress in Ron and Misty’s bedroom?
JM and Patriciao- great insights. It’s all hard to figure out. I know you are on the DNA thing JM, maybe you’re right. I keep imagining myself with my kids and I think their DNA would be on my lap and clothing, but not my underclothes or body. I wonder if they ever ran any alcohol, drug or DNA tests on Misty and Ron to check that. Or DNA on her bed,the cinder-blocks and screen doors. I think they didn’t even take the door for weeks if I remember right, anyone remember about that? Does anybody know how many people were in that MH that night and how did the police manage the crime scene. IE. contain the people at the house, their prints, and whereabouts that night? Just wondering.
Simon , WHOS band wagon are you on now? Want me to guess? I cant believe you would write such a article as this one.Jan has tryed to keep the sex abuse off this blog and i respect her soooo much for that.ALL kids say what they see at home. ALL OF THEM. They dont miss nothing. I have lost repsect for you.
Maybe he read the oxy labels allowed.
…Or a loud.:)
Meant to add JMO…
One of the things that I find very wrong with this article is the part where it says Timmy came in to see if the children were asleep, that would never happen, Tommy was high and wouldnt care one way or the other, and Misty being his sister he would more then likely believe whatever she said about the kids being asleep. They all lie, every last one of them, they make me sick..
So did Ron slip away from work to read to his daughter? I thought he worked nights.
BPrising, what’s your blood type, Mr. Obvious?
Whoops, IMO
DCF doesn’t have to leak info. People are questioned during investigations and in turn, they talk to others. Hence a child goes missing, and do then they have an audience that are all ears….
Having small children witness sexual activity between adults is abuse and that is not just my opinion.
AnneInTn said,in May 1st, 2010 at 8:57 pm Simon , WHOS band wagon are you on now? Want me to guess? I cant believe you would write such a article as this one.Jan has tryed to keep the sex abuse off this blog and i respect her soooo much for that.ALL kids say what they see at home. ALL OF THEM. They dont miss nothing. I have lost repsect for you.
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didn’t cobra bring up an incest angle last sunday? This krazy sex stuff is over the top.
Mary, okay, maybe not every night because the man worked… but it was OFTEN. I dunno, do you read to your children? If so, please prvide a link for verification please… or else it is a LIE! *rolls eyes*
WTF does my blood type have to do with it and “Mr. Obvious”? Maybe I am clueless to what ya mean here, but I am a Miss/Ms.
bprising they were being a wiseass about the blood type comment
Here’s another observation of mine, this has been bugging me for awhile. It regards the “jailhouse letter”. Everyone who has been in jail knows that ALL mailed communications are subject to being read by the law. When you mail a letter from inside to the outside you are not supposed to even seal the envelope. All mail you receive has already been opened by LE or jailers. The quickest way to drop a dime on someone or plant a story wether true of fake, is to put it in a jail letter. Back to the story that was in “the” letter, I’m talking about Haleigh accidentally ODing on Oxy at a party and her body being dumped in that pond. If true (which if it’s NOT true there must be more to the story of WHY it was written at all), it needs much more investigation. If LE has determined it’s not true then why did she write it the way she did? Also, it is possible that if the body had been dumped in that pond that night too many people knew that and when they sobered up the next day maybe they went back and retrieved the body and placed it elsewhere. I’m not saying this is my end all theory of what happened but it seems like a weird loose end.
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I agree, Stilllucy. Haleigh’s bed was approx 3-4 feet away from Ron’s and Misty’s bed..There is no way Haleigh didn’t witness sex going on..I’m wondering why her bed wasn’t in Jr’s room. Children do act out in a sexual manner in school if they have been abused..I have witnessed it.
Poor Haleigh never had a chance at a normal childhood. May she rest in peace..
If your child walks in after having a nightmare and sees their parents doing the deed, that is not abuse. It would be best to get locks for the doors and keep the noise down, for sure. It would be important to have a talk with your child and make sure this never is able to happen again. Most often, children imitating sex acts are acting out from things they have seen on television or movies that they probably should not have been seeing in the first place. Then again, this is irrelevant in this case because there is nothing substantiating this BS claim holds any validity whatsoever… and to make such bold assertions is disrespectful to HaLeigh to the umpteenth degree IMO, especially without proof.
BPrising said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:26 pm If your child walks in after having a nightmare and sees their parents doing the deed, that is not abuse. It would be best to get locks for the doors and keep the noise down, for sure. It would be important to have a talk with your child and make sure this never is able to happen again. Most often, children imitating sex acts are acting out from things they have seen on television or movies that they probably should not have been seeing in the first place. Then again, this is irrelevant in this case because there is nothing substantiating this BS claim holds any validity whatsoever… and to make such bold assertions is disrespectful to HaLeigh to the umpteenth degree IMO, especially without proof.
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BPrising, you don’t have a link because you are throwing things out as fact, and expecting us to belive it..Remember, it’s your opinion only, so don’t try to convince me otherwise..It makes you look foolish..
didn’t cobra bring up an incest angle last sunday? This krazy sex stuff is over the top.
Jojo, it says “Tommy came in”, not Timmy. And how do you know anyone was high?
Jojo- I see your point about Tommy being unlikely to check on Haleigh, but I think Simon was just hypothesizing. It seems more likely that Misty was trying to go to sleep about the same time Tommy came to the MH, (per Ron’s request), and Haleigh had a seizure and vomited due to “sleep inducing medication overdose”, and died. I could see them both at that point colluding in a cover-up. I imagine she would wash the blanket, even without laundry soap to get the vomit out of it. I suspect Ron has done so many illegal things in his life that he probably feels guilty all the time and tries to fabricate a plausible story to sound intelligent, but instead ads fuel to the speculation that he is involved. I think perhaps he has taken so many drugs for too long and it also affected his ability to be proactive and search for his daughter. He also has such poor coping skills, and is basically a low life that he couldn’t act right if he had to. He may or may not be covering anything up. Or even know his daughter was dead. It may be just that he loves himself and Misty more than his daughter. All said and done, this is the thing I have a problem with though- and it has to do with Cobra, and the conversation about the alligator. I do not understand how a month later, a year later, or ten years later, you could talk that way when the scenario that your daughter was eaten by alligators is a possibility. Poor little Haleigh. Ron called her his daughter but doesn’t seem to merit calling her that. Other than being a sperm donor. Her name is Haleigh.
BP rising, if you have been following the story, you would know that Haleigh’s bed is on the floor right next to Ron and Misty’s bed. There is no walking in…. She is right there! I find it a very abusive situation. Think about it. Who knows what went on in that room?
Rumors: DNA of Haleigh’s on areas of Ron, this has rumor, un-substantiated, a lit fire by those hoping to start some wildfire to hurt a victimized Family.
There is no way in Hades LE has released any DNA forensic testing results to anyone, heck they haven’t even named a suspect, nor have they even made an arrest.
This is way out of hand and a disgrace to all.
I like others opinions, but this isn’t opinions, it’s horrible trouble.
Mary,
It is not my opinion, it is a fact; and there is not a link for every fact that occurs in everyday life with ordinary people. I guess Ronald should have blogged every night he read to her so there could be a link for naysayers to claim that it was part of a cover-up? Yep, that’s the way it works…
IMO, the river is a cover..I think Haleigh was buried in the woods behind the MH..LE seems to be convinced it is a homicide. The items they recovered will prove their case…hopefully. Maybe they have her clothing..That would prove she was thrown in the river. In the presser they seemed confident..I predict we will hear something towards the middle of next week, and arrest/s made at that time..It can’t come too soon.. IMO
Mary said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:31 pm BPrising, you don’t have a link because you are throwing things out as fact, and expecting us to belive it..Remember, it’s your opinion only, so don’t try to convince me otherwise..It makes you look foolish..
Mary, who are you? What BPrising posted is exactly the truth. Kids see more sex, pornography and filthy mouths in public exposed due to the low morals we expect our kids to grow up in nowadays.
BP, you are correct. Childrens dangers are from the tvs, computers, cell phones, textings, etc… going on teaching kids. Evidentally, some are in major denial, probably associated and paid by the very means their in denial about.
JenM,
I do not have to “follow the case” to know certain things. Just because her mattress was there does not mean anyone was screwing in there while she was in there.
Thanks Kool and Anne. Some people are in denial of some very real truths while echoing lies like gospel, which is atrocious when an innocent child like HaLeigh is involved.
BPrising, I am not trying to start an argument with you..I would like to know where you heard Ron read to Haleigh every night..I have been on this case from the beginning.. Steph Watts, Levi Page, Simon Barrett, Art Harris, Cobra, Nancy Grace, Jane Valez Mitchell, Greta, and not once have I heard Ron read to her nightly..I would like to know where you heard it, then I can choose to address its’ validity.. TIA
Happy Sunday
Kool Look said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm Rumors: DNA of Haleigh’s on areas of Ron, this has rumor, un-substantiated, a lit fire by those hoping to start some wildfire to hurt a victimized Family.
There is no way in Hades LE has released any DNA forensic testing results to anyone, heck they haven’t even named a suspect, nor have they even made an arrest.
This is way out of hand and a disgrace to all.
I like others opinions, but this isn’t opinions, it’s horrible trouble
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Your so right and you are too BPrising jmo
JenM said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm BP rising, if you have been following the story, you would know that Haleigh’s bed is on the floor right next to Ron and Misty’s bed. There is no walking in…. She is right there! I find it a very abusive situation. Think about it. Who knows what went on in that room?
Jen, my son slept with us til he was 8 years old. Never once, was he exposed inappropriately. Not once~ Did hubby throw rocks a couple of times when he came through the threshold door, yeppers. I tucked him in, waited til he fell asleep. Which took only less than ten minutes, and off to his room he was tucked in for the night. Now of course he hunted us back down before the morn, but it bought us sometime.
So no, I’m in total disagreements with those who make something ugly out of parents sleeping with young babes, it’s a bond if handled correctly no one should tear asunder.
Yes, there are those who are idiots, perps, who do wrong, very wrong. But children can sleep in parents rooms and feel the love, safety, security and parents can be adults without exposing the Babes inappropriately.
it’s saturday? isn’t it?
If death is not the intent, but sleep is the intent for administering a drug, does this fall under the definition of accidental overdose? I would think that could apply only for a medication intended for a child…a cough medicine or Children’s Benadryl or something of that sort.
If Haleigh ingested Oxy on her own, that also would be accidental rather than intentional, though Misty and/or Ron might face charges of negligent homicide or child endangerment, depending on the facts of the scenario.
The biggest problem I have with Ronald is his participation in the cover-up. There was something going on that he does not want LE to find out about and he went to great lengths to keep his secret.
I do not think Ron knew anything about what was happening at home while he was at work. I believe Ron came home to the news about Haleigh and appropriately freaked out. However, within minutes things went very weird with that. And as days passed his behavior got stranger and stranger; remarkably little of what he said or did fit with an innocent parent seeking the truth.
I still believe it is possible Haleigh was slapped or punched by Ron prior to him leaving for work, and she seemed fine but her condition worsened over the next couple hours. If this did occur, maybe there was over time visible bruising. That could be motive for disposing of her body rather than calling 911.
Tommy’s drug charge carries a 3 year minimum, though he could be sentenced to the 15 year maximum. Misty has a 25 year minimum on each of eight counts; I suspect some of her charges could be reduced or dismissed but likely she will serve 25 years in prison. Ron has a 25 year minimum on each of his charges and I suspect he will have his charges reduced so the minimum does not apply. Ron will probably walk with little time served; he always manages to get away with whatever he does.
But one day there will be justice for Haleigh. I believe in karma; eventually all involved will get what they have coming.
A young child will act out after only being routinely exposed to a situation. And what kind of tv was Ron exposing his children to? Give me a break. We’re adults here. We should know what the signs are.
I never saw anything that referenced that Ron was a heavy equipment operator at his place of employment. Does he have the state license to operate heavy equipment? That’s public information and you have to have it for insurance purposes. I missed that fact.
I suppose it depends on where you are Jessica..
Mary, BP, Anne and others, sorry to come across harshly. I just know the difference. I’m no young Mommy, but have a young child. In my twenties, I woulda never thunk it. But theres no amount of money made on this Earth that would ever pay me to give up that bonding time with our Son. It’s the most precious to me. He’s now 12, hehe, and theres no amount of money I could bribe him with to sleep with old Mom and Dad now. We’re oldies, not so cool anymore. But Lo the day when he was a Babe. He thought the Moon and Stars were wrapped around his parents.
I cherish those times with all my heart. He’s beside me now asleep on the sofa, came home from an overnighter camping with his schoolmate to fish, comes home to Mommy deprived of sleep, home cookin and a bath. LOL His breaths have gave me comfort from the moment he entered this world. But I was still able to keep hubby happy too, just takes some “give here, there, compromise, keeping everyones feelings in check”, thats all.
I will defend a parents right to cuddle their babies, I’m tired of this world teaching division, it’s of the dark. Family is about “Unity” coming from the light. Hugs
Mary,
From reliable sources that are not media… People who witnessed it and know it as fact.
Thank you, Simon! You have outlined the most likely scenario of what happened that night. It is usually the most simple, straightforward situation which turns out to be the real one.
I do disagree with a few of your minor conclusions, however. All the players in this case are liars to some degree. They have not been brought up to tell the truth, so they tend to mix lies in with the truth. In some cases, the lies are inconsequential to the case, but in other cases, they are very important.
- Since Misty did not have a driver’s license yet, it makes sense that Ron would lie and say that he did the driving. Probably Haleigh did kiss and love on him other times when he drove her home, because that’s exactly what Ron Jr did to Ron in the Dunns Creek church video. This is probably an inconsequential lie.
- We have some indication that Ron likes to keep his feelings hid at times. He may very well have had a problem with Misty having sex with White Boy Greg, but may not have wanted the world to know this. This may be incidental to the case.
- I agree that Misty’s story about “babysitting” was for the purpose of getting out of the house to party that night.
- It makes perfect sense to me that Ms Sykes would have done some laundry for the kids that weekend when Misty was away. Misty wasn’t there to do it, so she helped out her grandson. Not unusual at all.
- I agree completely that it’s not unlikely that Misty did give Haleigh something “chemical” to sleep.
- It’s fairly common for teenage girls to turn off their phones after an argument with their boyfriends. It’s a way of pouting and exerting some small measure of control. (I’m mad and don’t want to talk to you!) Ron had probably received this treatment before and so may not have been “beyond the state of being furious”. As such, it makes perfect sense for him to have eventually given up, figuring that Misty and the kids had gone to sleep.
- I agree that it’s likely that Ron Jr sleepily saw Tommy who was dressed in black and that Tommy checked Haleigh and found her dead.
- I can’t imagine either Misty or Tommy calling Ron to tell him that his child was dead! He would have gone off the deep end. More likely, they panicked and decided to get rid of the body and then concoct a kidnapping story.
- If Ron was in the habit of stopping at that convenience store, not that far from his home, to pick up cigarettes and a beer, then he was being consistent. If he also bought cigarettes for Misty, then it may have been a peace offering. This was not a long stop, compared to his driving home time.
- When someone discovers that they have been the victim of a crime, or someone they love has been the victim, especially at 3 am, shock and disbelief are often the first reactions. People don’t always act reasonably.
- It makes no sense to me that Ron would place the 911 call on Misty’s behalf. She was there (ostensibly) when the crime occurred and he wasn’t. He could only function as an interpreter.
- In most cases, a parent would frantically search the house and then start looking outside the home – in the yard, down the street, at neighbors’ and friends’ homes. But, if your child was afraid of the dark and wouldn’t venture out at night, it was 3 am, and your babysitter said that someone came and kidnapped your child, then I don’t think it would make sense to look outside in the middle of the night. It would make more sense to want the police to arrive (pronto!) and somehow fix things!
- I agree that it doesn’t make sense that Misty would not have called 911 immediately herself, unless she had good reason not to.
I really think you are on the correct track and just hope that LE has enough supporting evidence to slice through all the diversions and get to the truth. (Just my opinion)
First, where does this BS info come from that HaLeigh was acting out?
Second, I know from personal and professional experience that children that act out in that manner are not ONLY those routinely exposed to it or those that have been molested. To say that is outright bogus and false.
cathartic: I am basically on the same page with you. What just disgusts me about the whole situation is the fact that this bunch had totally lost sight of the big picture through their own personal crap which not only led to HaLeigh’s death but denied her a proper funeral. It makes them worse than animals. And it’s not just 1 family but, 2 families involved. Really 3 if you look at Crystal and then the extended families that are going to be affected for a very long time. There is no way that Ron should never have had custody of those kids. Hinde sight is 20/20. Too bad.
Justice for HaLeigh
P.S. I agree with you, SImon, that Tommy may have had assistance with disposing of the body and this most likely would have been trusted family, i.e., Timmy and/or/Cousin Joe.
Stilllucy, Haleighs not your child to determine, nor did you make her, give birth to her, love nor feed her, nothing. Just make negative comments about her entire family. Haleigh is loved. She’s been taken from her home, we seek to find out who and give them their due. Not punish her loving family who knew and loved her long before we knew she existed. Blank statements be void.
You have no idea what my background is and it is neither bogus nor false.
I said nothing about molestation.
You have a problem with comprehension. IMO
No comprehension problems. Maybe you cannot read.
Quote: “Second, I know from personal and professional experience that children that act out in that manner are not ONLY those routinely exposed to it or those that have been molested. To say that is outright bogus and false.”
From what I have heard, if a child dies due to being given something like an illegal drug, it would be a homocide. That would be reckless disregard of life. The person giving the child an illegal drug would have to know they were taking a risk. I wonder if RC was allowing the children to be drugged or doing it himself on a regular basis. That could be the reason RC would help MC cover it up.
We had some discussions on this blog about why little Jr would be sleeping so much, and we wondered if someone might be giving them drugs.
If they had any of Haleigh’s hair on a brush or something like that, I think it could be tested to see if she had ever been drugged. I wonder if they tested Jr’s hair, but they probably didn’t.
Interesting thoughts y’all…
I always thought it was very odd that:
Misty admits to waking up around 3:00 A.M., soon thereafter discovers the kitchen light on, the back door wedged open, no vehicle is in the driveway, looks through the mh for Haleigh, having “discovered that she is missing”, and isn’t calling Ron, or family, let alone 911?
Just wondering… she said she had to pee… did she pee and when? Might sound odd, but that is her reason for getting up. If you thought someone might be in the house and your door is wide open would you feel comfortable peeing? Not me.
Maybe it’s just me but I’d be scared to death at 3AM, my door propped open, and finding Haleigh gone. I’d have already moved the cement block, closed the screen and secured the door. I’d have also looked for one of those famous firearms that Ron had to protect myself. Or a knife, or bat. I’d already be on the phone calling police, family and Ron. All at the same time.
She immediately called 911 when she was robbed at a later date. Her voice on the phone was distressed- not like when she talked to the 911 operator when Haleigh went missing.
One of those things that makes you go hmmm.
BPrising So which part of your witnessed based facts are the truths because no one knows. Not even the player involved seem to know the truth.
My comments were made based on the preceding article that is posted here.
Karon: I think LE really flubbed up this invesigation. The evidence collecting is probably nil. Now after all this time, they are trying to play catch up. It is an interesting point and a serious enough crime if proven.
I am shocked anyone thinks it’s from watching TV that a child would imitate sex acts, some people need an education in child molestation and the signs of abuse. How sad
There’s alot of Hmmmm moments here…….
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I hope all of you fu**ing idiots get sued. You thrive on spewing lies and the comments that the knuckledragging idiots leave.
What sad lives all of you lead. I am sure Haleigh is so proud of all of you. When will it ever stop? How many lives are you going to ruin before you do the right thing.
You don’t give a s**t about Haleigh. You’re in this for the money and fame. Sad because in the end all you will ever be is a blogger and your name will be forgotten.
stilllucy said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:49 pm A young child will act out after only being routinely exposed to a situation. And what kind of tv was Ron exposing his children to? Give me a break. We’re adults here. We should know what the signs are.
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EXACTLY. I can’t imagine anyone who thinks that it is NOT a sign of abuse, my neice was abused by a stepparent sexually and imitating sex acts is one of the signs. FTLOG some people need to inform themselves about this issue, even if you haven’t been touched by it in your own life, try Google-tons of links to signs of sexual abuse before making a stmt that it’s most likely from watching TV, unless they let HaLeigh and Jr watch porn.
BPrising said,
in May 1st, 2010 at 10:20 pm
No comprehension problems. Maybe you cannot read.
Quote: “Second, I know from personal and professional experience that children that act out in that manner are not ONLY those routinely exposed to it or those that have been molested. To say that is outright bogus and false.”
BP, Am I to understand that you believe that only children who are routinely exposed to sexual behavior or molested act out? If so I know for a fact that you’re incorrect. Not trying to gang up on you.
Education or common sense? I was beginning think that I was expecting too much for a minute. Thank you
Just One,
I have personal and professional experience regarding such things. I believe you need the education. Of course, children exposedor abused will act out; but so will children who see things in movies and on television.
I mus state again that HaLeigh did NOT do this at school, and this is a vicious and disgusting rumor.
BPrising said,in May 1st, 2010 at 10:42 pm Just One,
I have personal and professional experience regarding such things. I believe you need the education. Of course, children exposedor abused will act out; but so will children who see things in movies and on television.
I mus state again that HaLeigh did NOT do this at school, and this is a vicious and disgusting rumor.
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As do I, and all you need to do is visit DCF or the rape crisis center and they will be happy to give you pamphlets on signs of sex abuse and imitating a sex act as you stated is one of the key indicators, as is having more knowledge about sex than is age appropriate, sounds like wherever you got your professional degree from you should ask for a refund as that is a blatant mis-statement. Again, if Haligh was watching that type of TV Ron should never have a moment of unsupervised cutody when he gets out of prison . What a sick POS
There is NO proof… why are you guys arguing over this?
Karon,
I think it is indeed highly likely that the kids were drugged. The most obvious clue, to me, is that with all the chaos that night we never heard Jr. during the 911. He would have been awake by then, it would seen. But if he had been drugged, perhaps he did sleep through all the shouting and whatnot…or at least he could have been subdued enough to sit quietly and not make a sound.
If Misty gave Haleigh a drug, she might not have known it could lead to death. I do not think Misty is capable of comprehending that a small child might have a serious adverse reaction. One would think Ron would know this, but perhaps even he thought a small amount of a drug would do not harm. Especially if this was something they did a number of times in the past with no harm done.
I hope Ron does pay for his part in this, even if it has to be by way of doing hard time on drug charges. In a way, that would be karma if Haleigh was given a drug. I just have a gnawing feeling he is going to weasel out again like he has in the past. And to be honest, I would not consider Misty as eligible for any kind of young offender program given the number of charges she has combined with the probability that drugs were key in Haleigh’s demise.
I do hope they get harsh sentences, all of them, because at this point it is going to be extremely difficult to get justice for Haleigh through the courts any other way, imvho. I have not completely given up hope on that yet, though…LE could very well have a bombshell of their own in the making.
Have At It Y’all, GoodNight.
Or it could be a lie from your reliable sources as are so many of the other stories are from the mouths of the involved persons, relatives, friends, acquaintances, and whomever else you would like to name as a source.
What makes your sources so credible? No one involved in this terrible saga has been forthright or truthful. Give me a break.
I am speaking hypothetically. I continue to emphasize that what is said about HaLeigh is a vicious and disgusting rumor and is NOT true.
SarahG, “blogging” started with the dawn of man…it just wasn’t called that then. People have opinions and they discuss them with other interested people. And they always will. It’s normal for people to speculate and doesn’t mean that they don’t care about this beautiful little child. The only thing I object to is when people are downright cruel and hatred rears its ugly head.
stilllucy said,in May 1st, 2010 at 10:41 pm Education or common sense? I was beginning think that I was expecting too much for a minute. Thank you
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Your right, even common sense would be a breath of fresh air, but then again it’s probably too much to ask from many. What was I thinking LOL
ten of my last comments have been deleted..why?
I would think that these drug addicts would keep their stash for themselves and not waste it on the kids.
THis is always the case. Simon writes an article. We start to discuss the possibilities and or validity and others rush in to condemn us for doing what we’re meant to do here….discuss the article’s content.
After last weeks show and Peter’s thoughts some of us started discussing the abuse issue and that the victim’s advocate’s statements were what pizzed off the Cummings, not MG’s vacation nor anything she took with her.
The were “reports” that Haleigh had been exhibiting sexual abuse type symptoms. DO I know for a fact it was true? No! Have I been told or read on TH’s site exactly what those symptoms were? Yes! Are they true symptoms of sexual abuse versus exposure to adult matter? Yes! Go read what TH says, he’s the one that made it public.
So when it was proposed that Ron MIGHT have had to make a cover story for Haleigh’s DNA on him I replied that IF Ron HAD picked Haleigh up like he said then that WOULD explain her DNA on his lap. Yet, I am mis-quoted as being the trouble maker. I was attempting to discuss WHY they thought that or was there real info.
I made the connection didn’t I?
Sarah G, no different than the Croslin & Cummings family, they have all lied over and over and over again. Maybe it is those two families you should be taking your anger out on. Perhaps if they had told one bit of truth in this mess, Haleigh would be alive.
All the bloggers are either speculating or giving a possible scenario. If you want to call anyone a liar, direct it towards Misty and Ron, it fits the both of them extremely well, in my opinion.
Some just don’t understand that opinions are just that, opinions.
OJ’s glove said,in May 1st, 2010 at 10:56 pm I made the connection didn’t I?
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Yes OJ yoou did.
TH mentions it briefly in article 22 of his May 1 2010 letter to the FBI.
I think the issues here is whether this should be discussed, without sound proof. I for one will not till/if there is actual proof, it’s a dangerous subject and should be handled with care. I am all for opinions, I just will skip over the ones pertaining to this.
TracyM said,in May 1st, 2010 at 4:17 pm me: You are so wrong about everything you just opined on.
You have to be an expert in the field to appreciate how dead on Simon is in this post.
People do add much more unnecessary detail when they are lying. They think (subconsciously) that if their story packs a bit of meat, it will be more believable.
No offense, but perhaps some eduction on your part is needed.
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Ummm…it’s education, not eduction. And I have plenty of it. At least I know how to spell it…lol.
stilllucy, I agree & God forbid we dare bring up the pink elephant in the room of possible molestation. How come it was okay to get into the deets when referring to either Tommy or Joe molesting her, but when it is even remotely suggested that it may be a possible scenario that Ron molested Haleigh, all hellfire breaks loose? What is it such a far stretch? Ron did like his girlfriends young, do any of us clearly know how young he went? Maybe not. Just my opinions.
HollyG… check your email.
stilllucy said,
in May 1st, 2010 at 9:11 pm
So did Ron slip away from work to read to his daughter? I thought he worked nights.
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Ron had only been on the night shift for approximately 2 weeks when HaLeigh went missing. Remember?
Pretty safe bet that he didn’t read to Jr after Haleigh went missing. He was too busy out selling & taking dope to read a book, in my opinion.
JM said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:08 pm stilllucy, I agree & God forbid we dare bring up the pink elephant in the room of possible molestation. How come it was okay to get into the deets when referring to either Tommy or Joe molesting her, but when it is even remotely suggested that it may be a possible scenario that Ron molested Haleigh, all hellfire breaks loose? What is it such a far stretch? Ron did like his girlfriends young, do any of us clearly know how young he went? Maybe not. Just my opinions
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I suspected you of being an instigator..
now I know you are one!
Interesting analysis. However, can anyone realistically imagine Ron reacting in any he was told that Misty’s attempt to sedate Haleigh resulted in Haleigh’s death?
Re: Haleigh’s dna in Ron’s crotch area -
If true, the innocence in this depends on whether Haleigh was wearing long pants after school – or – shorts/short skirt. If Haleigh were wearing pants or stockings, an innocent transfer of skin cells onto the crotch of Ron’s pants is unlikely.
Re: Haleigh and Jr. sleeping in the master bedroom -
At the very least, Ron and Misty displayed poor boundaries. A father and non parental adult sharing their bedroom with children is not the equivalent of bio parents sleeping in the same room as their kids. It’s considered much more sexually loaded / more tabu than bio parents sharing a room with their kids. That been said, most pediatricians discourage bio parents from sharing their bedroom/bed with their kids because it is still considered to be poor boundaries, if not outright sexual abuse.
Sharing a bedroom with one’s kids has more to do with parents satisfying their needs than the kids’ needs.
Personally, I think DCF should have removed Junior after seeing the sleeping arrangements all over TV.
LisaE
Just one said:
EXACTLY. I can’t imagine anyone who thinks that it is NOT a sign of abuse, my neice was abused by a stepparent sexually and imitating sex acts is one of the signs. FTLOG some people need to inform themselves about this issue, even if you haven’t been touched by it in your own life, try Google-tons of links to signs of sexual abuse before making a stmt that it’s most likely from watching TV, unless they let HaLeigh and Jr watch porn.
just one said- Sure it’s a sign of abuse. It does not always mean a child IS abused.
Children that age sometimes do “act out” for other reasons. For example, I personally know two bothers who acted out as they saw how people reacted, and it got them allot of attention. They thought it was very funny too.
They had been put to bed, were supposedly asleep and the babysitter watching them had her boyfriend come over and they did “it”, not knowing they had an audience.
The boys also drew a comic book with pictures and appropriate, or rather not so appropriate commentary. Maybe you all think this is abuse. I don’t. I am just saying it all has to be in context. Many tribes in the world live communally and children who are exposed to sexuality their whole lives.
The communities have strict rules for interaction, and sexuality etc., which is normal and of course different for their society.
I bet though for all our societal differences they would get that Haleigh was not being parented right. They get what a real, basically healthy connection is.
This family Haleigh was growing up in was void of proper parenting, drugs, poor boundaries in general. I think her family probably loved Haleigh, as far as they could love in their limited way.
The sins of the parents sure rings true in this story. It sure seems a generational problem on all sides of the equation.
JM: OMG, you caught that too…..
What was said on last weeks radio program was that Ron had approached his neighbor whose father was a DCF supervisor to ask him to vouch for his credibility. This was after HaLeigh went missing and everything started coming out and the guy pretty much told him to get lost. I can’t remember if it was on Simon & Jan’s or Levi’s show.
The neighbors and others are talking, not releasing there names, but putting info out there.
Someone mentioned DCF being brought up last week on the blog/radio and that’s what it was.
You think I give a rip OJ? I don’t care what you think of me. If I am an instigator, then you are a naive little man. Simon’s article was meant to bring out a possible theory, bring discussion to the table. If you can’t handle an open and honest discussion and only want to pin Haleighs disappearance/death on others, knock yourself out. But don’t jump on everyone who doesn’t agree w/your opinions.
I say Ronald Cummings is guilty, along w/Misty Croslin. Skip by my posts if you can’t handle it.
Correction to my post above:
Can anyone see Ron reacting in any other way other than killing Misty upon hearing that she oversedated Haleigh, killing his daughter?
Correction to my post above:
How do we realistically see Ron reacting upon hearing that Misty oversedated Haleigh, killing his baby? I do not see Ron helping Misty cover up. I see Ron killing her.
Cathartic- excellent point about Jr regarding the 911 call. Good call.
HollysGmom said,in May 1st, 2010 at 6:08 pm Give it a rest…the “facts only people” fled because the only facts they cared about are now being proven lies….
they need to be ashAMED for all the time they have helped protect KILLERS.
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GMAB. No one helped protect killers.
And btw, you were the one who a few months back tried to convince us all that you had seen Haleigh, that she was with the Sheffield’s and being taken to a birthday party. You tried to convince us you were in danger from the Sheffields because you knew they had Haleigh. And now you are accusing people of protecting killers? Oh my goodness, gmab.
Simon,
When you discuss the bus stop and the two versions, and “who said what”, you leave out a very important fact – LE has stated that RON picked up HaLeigh. This was stated on HLN and TJ Hart was on the show when Capt. Dick Schauland stated this. TJ has confirmed this several times… even in the comments here on BNN (most recently on April 20th).
You stated that the bus driver said Misty picked up HaLeigh at the bus stop. I am curious when the bus driver ever stated who picked up HaLeigh? I’ve never seen the bus driver ever state anything publicly regarding HaLeigh. One would think that the bus driver would have spoken to LE, though, and that would have helped solidify for LE who picked her up.
Another thing about the bus stop, Chelsea has now stated that she was there in the van that day (not Misty), and she saw Ron picking up HaLeigh. And she was angry that he was in a hurry and didn’t stop and roll down the windows and let her wave to HaLeigh. But all those “witnesses” that allegedly saw Misty may have just saw Chelsea since she has stated she was there in the van that people claim to have seen Misty in.
I have finally found a light in the darkness.
Thank you, JM
I feel that Simon brought to light just how conflicted everything was from the very beginning and just kept on going and going and going. I don’t know how LE is ever going to straighten this mess out.
StillLucy, imagine Ron’s frame of mind at that time. His teeny bopper girlfriend was gone for 3 days. We still have yet to hear who had the kids for those 3 days, how did Ron manage? Did he go to work all 3 days or was he off on the weekend? 2 little kids, pulling on daddy’s leg, let’s go, time to eat, time to bathe, time to brush your teeth, time to fight w/each other, time to whine, Ron was probably maxed out on his stress level. In the mix of it all, he is trying to track down Misty to get her butt back there, he doesn’t want to touch the laundry, dishes, toys, messes. God only knows how many drugs he, himself was on that weekend. No, there are more holes in Ronalds’ story than swiss cheese. I don’t care how often Ron supporters try to find a way to smooth it over, it doesn’t work. He is guilty, in my strong opinion.
Patriciao said,in May 1st, 2010 at 7:23 pm Here is the most logical explanation as to why Ron stopped at the convenience store to buy 1 beer, cigarettes, and nuts before heading home to Misty.
He was out of cigarettes and needed one! (If you are a nicotine addict you will stop to get those cigs!) The one beer was to drink in the car on the way home. (Maybe he knew he had more beer at home already). The nuts were by the counter when he checked out so feeling a little hungry he picked them up too.
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Yep. I totally agree.
Homespain and LisaE I agree with you both on your points exactly
Homespain, I think your post is spot on. In addition, this is a small home where it may have been hard to have much privacy. Young children don’t always stay in their own beds and can easily hear things or walk in on adults. Observation may not have been desired but may have occurred anyway.
Holly’sMom: 10:56 comment- Very well put. Who is TH blog? So I can go look up. Thanks
homespain said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:17 pm Just one said:
EXACTLY. I can’t imagine anyone who thinks that it is NOT a sign of abuse, my neice was abused by a stepparent sexually and imitating sex acts is one of the signs. FTLOG some people need to inform themselves about this issue, even if you haven’t been touched by it in your own life, try Google-tons of links to signs of sexual abuse before making a stmt that it’s most likely from watching TV, unless they let HaLeigh and Jr watch porn.
just one said- Sure it’s a sign of abuse. It does not always mean a child IS abused.
Children that age sometimes do “act out” for other reasons. For example, I personally know two bothers who acted out as they saw how people reacted, and it got them allot of attention. They thought it was very funny too.
They had been put to bed, were supposedly asleep and the babysitter watching them had her boyfriend come over and they did “it”, not knowing they had an audience.
The boys also drew a comic book with pictures and appropriate, or rather not so appropriate commentary. Maybe you all think this is abuse. I don’t. I am just saying it all has to be in context. Many tribes in the world live communally and children who are exposed to sexuality their whole lives.
The communities have strict rules for interaction, and sexuality etc., which is normal and of course different for their society.
I bet though for all our societal differences they would get that Haleigh was not being parented right. They get what a real, basically healthy connection is.
This family Haleigh was growing up in was void of proper parenting, drugs, poor boundaries in general. I think her family probably loved Haleigh, as far as they could love in their limited way.
The sins of the parents sure rings true in this story. It sure seems a generational problem on all sides of the equation.
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Oh I understand what you are saying, I was responding to the earlier post by BPrising that it was more likely that it was from watching TV. Also we have to take into account that she was only 5 yrs old and a typical 5 yr old doesn’t exhibit sexual acts from thin air. If she was older I could see drawing certain images etc., but the poster specifically stated sex acts, that is so far beyond the norm for a child so young to do that or have sexual knowledge that is not age appropriate. I am in NO way stating she was molested, I was simply pointing out to the poster that what she stated was a blatant mis-statement based on all the research of sexually abused children. I do agree there were inproper boundaries being they all slept in the same room and lets not kid oursleves, Misty and Ron had sex. I can’t imagine having my kids in the same room, no make that it is incomprehensible for those two to have sex in front of the kids, that is a form of abuse in and of itself, and HaLeigh was not part of a tribe so that doesn’t fit either. The poster stated a blatant lie that it was more likely IF she was exhibiting this behavoir that it was from tv rather than abuse as it is a key sign of abuse. Again, I have no clue if she even acted this way in school or not, but if she did it would certainly warrant a more thorough investigation into her home life.
JM said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:18 pm You think I give a rip OJ? I don’t care what you think of me. If I am an instigator, then you are a naive little man. Simon’s article was meant to bring out a possible theory, bring discussion to the table. If you can’t handle an open and honest discussion and only want to pin Haleighs disappearance/death on others, knock yourself out. But don’t jump on everyone who doesn’t agree w/your opinions.
I say Ronald Cummings is guilty, along w/Misty Croslin. Skip by my posts if you can’t handle it.
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one only has to read your posts to decide if, as you say, your having “open and honest discussion”..shall I quote you?
“He was too busy out selling & taking dope”
“Ron did like his girlfriends young”
“His teeny bopper girlfriend”..
you have a problem buddy..and stop trying to pass off as JB!
J said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:22 pm “…Another thing about the bus stop, Chelsea has now stated that she was there in the van that day (not Misty), and she saw Ron picking up HaLeigh. And she was angry that he was in a hurry and didn’t stop and roll down the windows and let her wave to HaLeigh. But all those “witnesses” that allegedly saw Misty may have just saw Chelsea since she has stated she was there in the van that people claim to have seen Misty in.”
You bring up a lot of very valid points. Thank you for s great post!
treece said,in May 1st, 2010 at 8:32 pm Simon, as much as Jan tries to protect the abuse and innocence of children I am appalled that you would post this based on hearsay.
Here is your quote:
There also appears to be a sexual angle, though not sex abuse in the normal sense. Rather, Haleigh was often in the same room as Ron and Misty while they were having sex. Apparently Haleigh exhibited some strange behavior at school, likely emulating what she had seen at home that got school officials very concerned. None of this can be confirmed, and to go forward with it would be journalistic suicide. But it does provide yet more background on the type of people involved.
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I totally agree with Treece.
LisaE said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:20 pm Correction to my post above:
How do we realistically see Ron reacting upon hearing that Misty oversedated Haleigh, killing his baby? I do not see Ron helping Misty cover up. I see Ron killing her.
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BINGO! Unless he told her too!
And yet when confronted with the alleged “truth” that MIsty HAD known all along and lied to him and everyone else about it for 14 months all he feels is “disappointed”…?
He’d kill her that night but 14 months of lying, helping get him caught for pill dealing, spending months in jail only to find out Misty was in on it and he’s just disappointed? Hopes she was threatened?
BPrising said,in May 1st, 2010 at 8:37 pm
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EXCELLENT post BPrising! Great points.
I won’t engage any further with you OJ, clearly you have no idea who I am, for I am a SHE and I have no earthly idea why you are referring me to JB, but whatever floats your boat sailor. Attack as you wish, I will not answer you until you advance into a civilized human being, which from the sounds of it, won’t be in this lifetime.
I can’t keep up with how many times they have all changed their stories about everything.
I am so glad Lindsey filed for divorce from Tommy.
What do you think the trip to the northeast was about a few weeks ago? Lindsey took the kids to see Timmy and Chelsea. Do you think she told them what Tommy was saying and that she was filing for divorce? I think Padilla probably paid for her trip. She certainly didn’t have the cash.
JM;
TOday is the first day OJ has had anything to say beyond screaming that everyone is incompetent and Misty is being framed.
Is that even the real OJ?
JenM said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm BP rising, if you have been following the story, you would know that Haleigh’s bed is on the floor right next to Ron and Misty’s bed. There is no walking in…. She is right there! I find it a very abusive situation. Think about it. Who knows what went on in that room?
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Actually, if YOU had followed the story closely you would know Haleigh had her own bedroom with a proper bed (not a mattress on the floor).
TH makes me puke,
alls I did was QUOTE her and she went ballistic!
I got it right.
You know, I didn’t give much credance to the TH claim or MG claim….until the Cummings family publicly proclaimed their anger it had been leaked. “It was not told to a child advocate so that a blogger could get his name in print”
Wow… it be gettin hot up in here!
Thanks HollysMom, I think he must have gotten a hold of Ronalds stash tonight.
I haven’t gone ballistic. I just said it was a pretty darned shame that we aren’t even allowed to discuss what the article was about.
It is the first day you’ve had anything real to say…
OJ hides and has a thing for Misty. He’s mesmerized. Can not figure out why someone would defend a little lying dope head that has something to do with the death of an innocent 5yr old little girl. Go figure. IMO
me said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:41 pm
However we have not been told that was where she normally slept. If it was, why not that night? Why all in the same room if not the norm?
HollysGmom said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:43 pm I haven’t gone ballistic. I just said it was a pretty darned shame that we aren’t even allowed to discuss what the article was about.
It is the first day you’ve had anything real to say…
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JM went ballistic..its not all about you hgm..
oy vey
I also thought I gave fair senarios as to why else she might have been exposed to sexual mimicing or knowledge: ie TV, movies (R-rated), seeing other couples making out, accidental walk-in senario….
However, the symptoms as described tell a much worse senario, if it is true.
Does anybody know if Misty has a sister? Nay Nay refers to Misty’s sister several times in her AH interview.
me said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:41 pm JenM said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm BP rising, if you have been following the story, you would know that Haleigh’s bed is on the floor right next to Ron and Misty’s bed. There is no walking in…. She is right there! I find it a very abusive situation. Think about it. Who knows what went on in that room?
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Actually, if YOU had followed the story closely you would know Haleigh had her own bedroom with a proper bed (not a mattress on the floor).
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Huh-have you followed this case? Yes she had a room with a bed frame only and a chest of drawers, the mattress was on the floor in Ron’s bedroom and he stated himself (well after he stated they were all in the bed together, MC, JR and HaLeigh), that she was 4 feet away on the mattress on the floor in his room.
I guess I don’t consider a bed frame with no matress to be a proper place for my child to sleep, but if you do, well whatever floats your boat.
Me, I have followed the story and watched the video’s of when LE went into the room’s. Haleigh’s little bed was right there on the floor next to Ron and Mistys bed. They both said this is where she sleeps.
Geez, makes sense to me that if you want to ‘claim’ a kidnapping, you would say she was in another room and you didn’t hear a thing….hmmm. I wish I was as smart as you think you are.
She didn’t sleep in her room. The mattress was taken into Ron & Misty’s room because HaLeigh was afraid to sleep in her room. No mattress in her room on her bed frame. It was on NG reported by her producer but that could be a lie too because it was told by Grandma Teresa.
OH…sorry…since I had been the last topic you posted about…
Has anyone stopped defense mode for a second to even consider that maybe she had been molested but not by Ron. What about Tommy? He surely had plenty of access to her. What about Timmy? Same deal? What about Sr? Just cause he was in an accident just prior to her disappearance doesn’t mean it’s impossible that his kids would cover for him and do something to her. Not as likely but still a possibility.
WHen a child is murdered and not through outright abuse/physical injury I always suspect a cover-up for molestation. Sorry, maybe in house, maybe someone close by, maybe even other family members friends or relatives but should ALWAYS be investigated thouroughly!
dad was working the late shift so the kids slept with misty.. very simple very normal..
Didn’t Ron call Timmy.. who then called Tommy? Is my memory failing me?
There’s a youtube 911 call where you can hear Ron calling Haleighs name in the beginning of the call. You all can go find it. It will give you all something to do. jmo
BPrising said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:45 pm Thanks Kool and Anne. Some people are in denial of some very real truths while echoing lies like gospel, which is atrocious when an innocent child like HaLeigh is involved.
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Yes. It is quite disturbing. When accusing Ron of such disgusting things, they are also disrespecting Haleigh.
Lol StillLucy, where has ole’ Sneaky been these days? Still bubbling over with pride and joy that her felon son is in the clink? She’s being awfully quiet. What’s she up to now?
It’s true, point the finger at anybody but Ron and it’s fair game. Mention Ron and you are terrible to even suggest it.
It’s ugly, horrible, and disgusting. It is! Nobody wants it to be true! Nobody! However, if we are to be honest with ourselves and each other, we need to at least address it. Was she? If so by whom? Is/Was it a motivating factor in her murder? THat is why it is an important topic.
Just one said 11:32 post- Thanks for clearing that up, makes sense.
Speaking of childrens safety. Little JR, is with his bio mom now.
Is it being verified on a consistent basis that she is drug free? Is the boyfriend drug free? Is Jr’s hair being analyzed to be sure he is not exposed to drugs?
I wonder if JR is doing well. After all there was the overall drama of his home life , his sister’s disappearance. His family’s in a perpetual upheaval, and then lastly his father gone, in jail. This child has got to be so traumatized.
What is our role individually and societal, to insure, given the history of all, his safety and well being. Haleigh may be gone but he’s still here and I think forgotten in some ways in all this.
Trying to stay on the down low. IMO
She knows all heLL is about to break loose.
Those dang Croslins!
OMG……. now I know for sure we all are in the dark!!!!!!!!
I am glad PCSO is keeping this close to the vest, can anyone imagine if they did give us a legit nibble or two ever so often and what it would be twisted and turned into to fit another absurd theory?
I am not surprised that everyone has a theory, but, am that there are so many different theories out there and all are based on lies and rumors with a sprinkle of confirmed facts.
The truth is not always easy to see when so many had reasons to misdirect everyones view from that truth.
I agree with OJ Misty willing went the extra mile in trying to help LE and to clear her name. IMO she is the only one that was being looked at and was the only one demanding to be cleared by any means possible.
The van, the blanket, and the St. Johns river case solved. No body and no arrests.
After 15 months this is where you are all stuck and confident that it is the only logical conclusion that can be made based on all the BS. I sure hope PCSO gets the news that they are no longer needed, because, the public has solved this case based on speculation and good ol’ Sheffield team work.
JMO
me said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:57 pm
I disagree. I think putting your head in the sand and insisting that it isn’t possible when clearly it is is disrespecting Haleigh.
Talking about a possible motive for her murder is not disrespecting. Protecting Daaddy’s image regardless of the truth, that’s disrespecting her. Do you want the truth or just the truth if it doesn’t include ROn?
If Haleigh had been molested and everyone just glosses over it because it’s an ugly subject or offends their loyalties then that is disrespecting Haleigh
IMO
Homespain:
I’m sure with all of the publicity that authorities are keeping an eye on Jr. and it was mentioned by KP that Crystal was taking Jr to a psychologist. He’s were he should be, with his Mother.
HGmom you forgot to mention the other grown men that had access to HaLeigh. Chad Griffis and Bruce Griffis and anyone else that Crystal chose to allow around her children out at the farm. IMO the drugs found in the truck is a good indication of the people and activities that where going on out at the farm.
texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:00 am
WOW! Team SHeffield must have tons of money cause they employ any and everyone who thinks ROn might be involved or not as great a dad as some would like us to believe. LOL! ROLLING!
Have you seen the public comments left on the articles of newspapers since day 1? THere are thousands upon thousands of people who have always, with out any doubts thought Ron & Misty guilty. LOL! Are they on the payroll too?
No TM39…I did mention them when I said other family members relatives…I gave you leave way…you just assumed I didn’t.
With all the crap they show on tv these days (especially mtv), she could easily have gottenthat from two ppl who dont care what her mind is exposed to.. Some ppl have V-chips they use. Every television made since ’99 has a mandated v-chip accessible to parents. How many think these ppl cared to use it? How many of you use yours? i’m pretty lenient but anything rated M is turned off and I manually type in the 4 digits if i feel like watching. Theres more mature programming on cable tv these days( during the day too, not just prime time or later anymore ) than there used to be. Do you use your V-chip (even leniently) ?
JM,
If you are truly worried about molestation, you need to look at the Sheffield/Griffis side. Quite a few RSOs on that side.
Saying Ron sexually abused her though is absolutely disgusting and so entirely disrespectful of Haleigh.
And your comments about the DNA are rubbish. Ron was her father and she lived with him. Finding her DNA on the outside of his clothing means nothing. She lives in the same house…duh.
Another thing that comes to mind. The article is discussing Ronald, not Crystal. Everybody already knows Crystal’s shortcommings. Nobody is happy about it. NOBODY, no matter what you might think. No matter what Crystal does or didn’t or doesn’t do….the article is about what Ron did or didn’t or does or doesn’t do.
That is why we were discussing Ron….
Is it possible that Chelsea was lying about being at the bus stop to cover for Ron’s story? Is it possible that Chelsea is lying about Joe to cover for Timmy? I think Lindsay was covering for Tommy, but now knows he did more than what he asked her to lie about. Linday was reportedly at Misty’s that day with her kids playing with Rons’ kids. She says Tommy was home all night after they ate dinner. Why would he say he was at Misty’s and then retract it after being caught in the lie? I think he told Lindsey he was going to check on Misty and did something else. When Haleigh came up missing they both decided to lie and say that he was home all night. Then when phone records showed differently, he reportedly was at Misty’s, but that’s a lie. So where was he at really? The river? Did brother Timmy take the van, get Tommy and they both went to help little sister Misty out? Or was Tommy out fooling around with Nay Nay? Why would Lindsey file for divorce, unless he was cheating on her or she knows he is guilty and will never get out to support her and the kids.
I personally don’t feel that she was molested. I think that would have been found out by authorities. HaLeigh was under a Drs care also. I just think her issues were due to a very inappropriate home life and lifestyle of her father. That’s what I hope anyway.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:06 am
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Hollysmom its May 1st we will soon know how much monies were made at the haleighbug center. lots. jmo
there seems to be a newly arrived contingent here that is all ‘Ron’ supportive..
I find that…food 4 thought.
IF and I said IF the Ronald picked up Haleigh story was a lie….why lie?
1) Misty no DL
2) Misty slap incident (alleged)
3)Misty drug reference over heard (alleged)
4) ????
That’s part of the subject of the article…multiple accounts….why?
Santos is lying, everybody is lying but Ron…?
Jet lag hitting. Night to all-
HGmom,
LOL you are basing your opinion on comments left at news articles? I know you are a great sleuth and had hoped your logic was based on ferreting out the facts. If your research has led you to Ron and Misty then all I can say is your done case solved, just sit back and see if you are right.
Discrediting my personal opinion does not bother me in the least. Have a good laugh, I am glad I made your night.
I could care less…if they stole, cheated, lied, skimmed, misappropriated…..GOT GET THEM! I happily agree…they would deserve to be punished. I also want to see the Cummings funds records.
We already know they spent their funds on drugs and a wedding.
hgm is a very angry person..imho
I still wonder about Ron’s coverage alibi at work. Is it possible he slipped home because he couldn’t get ahold of Misty? He had to come home and check for himself. Maybe they had a big fight and Haleigh accidently got in the way she got hit or something. He went back to work. When he got home, Misty said, I can’t wake up Haleigh. You probably killed her Ron when you took that swing. Ron starts screaming that he ain’t going to prison for murder, etc. So, he called Tommy and Misty called Timmy. Timmy got the van and him and Tommyed helped get rid of Haleigh. They all lied for each other. Now, there is another theory for you.
still lucy tx- Good to know JR is in good hands. Maybe the blessing is that Crystal has learned from all this, and utilizing this opportunity to be a better parent. Ron could have done that after Haleigh went missing but instead he chose to deal in drugs and now is in jail where he can’t do much for his son now.
OJ, she is not an angry person… she has just been beaten up here so many times!
HGmom,
Your point is that we should only talk about Ron? Give me a break. You are entitled to your opinion and your choice of topics as it has been made very clear it is an open forum for discusions about this case and the articles are just that. If you would like everyone with a different opinoin to post else where what would y’all have to talk about?
Bullys that pick fights over words tend to get it right back.
JenM: That’s what I’m talking about! Misty has stated before that Ron has left his job and came home………Why and When? What were the circumstances? Did they play these little games? He has a temper. I don’t see him waiting, stopping on the way home, and then not beating the crap out of her when he got there……Makes no sense at all.
texasmommy39 said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:06 am
Like Jeremy Griffis? Hasn’t it been stated that Haleigh is afraid of Chad’s brother? I’m not sure where that originated from, but I have read it in several places that Haleigh was afraid of him.
I know that we’ve also been told that Wayanne Kruger was also worried about Haleigh having been molested and reported this to Marie and wanted to reported this to LE but Marie did not want that to happen. Seems to me that if something was happening to Haleigh Marie would want to protect her granddaughter. Unless she was protecting someone and wanted to handle it internally maybe? Like a stepson?
Just throwing out ideas while we are on the topic. Hoping that nothing like this ever happened to Haleigh and it is one more disgusting rumor to add to the pot.
homespain said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:00 am Just one said 11:32 post- Thanks for clearing that up, makes sense.
Speaking of childrens safety. Little JR, is with his bio mom now.
Is it being verified on a consistent basis that she is drug free? Is the boyfriend drug free? Is Jr’s hair being analyzed to be sure he is not exposed to drugs?
I wonder if JR is doing well. After all there was the overall drama of his home life , his sister’s disappearance. His family’s in a perpetual upheaval, and then lastly his father gone, in jail. This child has got to be so traumatized.
What is our role individually and societal, to insure, given the history of all, his safety and well being. Haleigh may be gone but he’s still here and I think forgotten in some ways in all this.
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I agree his life has been traumatized. I have no clue whether it’s true or not, but heard CS and Chad had to undergo drug test, I only wish DCF had done the same when he and HaLeigh were with Ron and Misty.
I tend to think he might be happy being around his sister Chloe and other children, as oppoesed to being with GGMS as he had less interaction with other kids and he was around Misty all that time, that was a horible decision IMO. He is on a farm where he can play and run free, be a child without the glaring eyes that had to keep him inside when he was in Welaka. I have also seen pic’s of him recently and one is so cute, he’s in the crib with Chloe and they are both sleeping, he is with other children and his mom with a big smile on his face. These are available for anyone to see on FB as the account isn’t private for pic’s. I hope and pray Crystal remains clean for the sake of not only Jr, but Chloe and herself. It’s obvious to me he wasn’t safe in his prior envireoment so I’ll continue to pray that he continues with therapy and his mom stays clean, at least she hasn’t been arrested for trafficking and now that I think about it she has never been arrested for drugs. DCF in Florida is well known to have failed the children, there is even one who they lost and to this day have no clue where she is.
On his father being in jail, IMO that is a good thing as he should have been there long before now when you look at his record-maybe his going to jail actually will save Jr. After listening to what Tim Miller stated about Ron putting a semi automatic rifle in his mouth in front of Jr, and telling him he’d blow Misty’s teeth out of her head and then himself, but not before he took out a few others I know he is in a better home, maybe not the absolute ideal but absolutely better than with a violent drug trafficker and drug user.
OJ…funny I was laughing when I read your post…
No I do not base my opinions one peoples postings….I do however get a sense of what the over-all populace who even take the time to post feels about it. I’m in the majority of the public in general.
If you think early on it’s possible that she’s still alive and have the audacity to publicly announe you think so or thought so and are later wrong about it expect to be harrassed. Then if that hope springs back again some months later and you entertain the notion it could be true and try to take real efforts to prove it or at least get LE to look in that direction…..you will be ridiculed if you later realize you were wrong and the child had been DEAD since day 1.
Well then, stop picking them!
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 am No TM39…I did mention them when I said other family members relatives…I gave you leave way…you just assumed I didn’t.
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LOL Why not name them all since you where naming everyone else?
I wonder why you are so upset about my comments?
Is it possible that Ron left work that night to check on Misty and deal some drugs for someone at work? Maybe that is why his alibi at work covered for him while he was gone? The alibi doesn’t want to get busted or lose their job, so they will say he was there all night? Something went down in that house that night, and either Misty was there when it happened or she wasn’t. If she wasn’t, why is Ron standing by her? If she was, why is Tommy making up the lie against her not being there? Seems there is a drug deal or illegal guns in the story somewhere. Maybe there is some child prostitution rings happening too. I hope someone figures it out.
WHat word bullying? The defense of myself and others for daring to discuss the articles content? The defense that if she had been molested it could have been someone other than Ron? The defense that if Haleigh’s DNA were on her dad’s lap that his account of picking her up would explain it?
HGM No OJ will just disappear. Thank God and we will know the truth.
If all involved would just tell exactly what happened that night then there would be no need for speculation. Let’s not forget who the ‘bad guys’ are in this case.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 am me said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:57 pm
I disagree. I think putting your head in the sand and insisting that it isn’t possible when clearly it is is disrespecting Haleigh.
Talking about a possible motive for her murder is not disrespecting. Protecting Daaddy’s image regardless of the truth, that’s disrespecting her. Do you want the truth or just the truth if it doesn’t include ROn?
If Haleigh had been molested and everyone just glosses over it because it’s an ugly subject or offends their loyalties then that is disrespecting Haleigh
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Excellent and very insightful post HGM. It’s sad that others were willing to jump on Tommy or Joe regarding molestation, yet if Ron is mentioned it’s disrespect to HaLeigh? The only thing that is now disrespectful to HaLeigh is not investigating all angles including her dad.
And, while I’m at it. I’m using two hands to throw any type of blame, no matter the reason, on OJ’s glove.:)
Because you don’t seem to care IF it happened to her at all. I think it’s important to know, no matter who did it…Chad or otherwise.
I didn’t mention them becuase due to EYE WITNESS accounts Haleigh is dead and NOT at CHad’s or anyone else’s hands but Tommy, Misty, JO, and/or Ron, maybe Timmy. That’s why I didn’t list them by name. The article wasn’t addressing them or her family nor their relations.
Why don’t you just defend Ronald without automatically posting something bad about Crystal? We all know all about it, you’ve repreated youself many times. We know what you feel about it. Crystal’s a bad parent too, or has been.
What purpose would the bus driver have to lie and other parents waiting for their children to exit the bus? That’s the part that I don’t get. Why would so many people that have nothing to gain or lose lie? Makes absolutely no sense.
Stilllucy:
I also find it odd Ron didn’t beat Misty when he found out she let his daughter get “stole”..It’s been reported he has a violet temper..Then he marries her, causing more speculation that he is involved, as well as Misty..Why did he warn Misty to be careful what she says to Donna Brock? If he is innocent wouldn’t he want Donna to find out all she could about finding his daughter? I’d like to think he is innocent, but too many things he has said, and done, causes me to doubt he is being honest..Misty has lied, but I think her lies are directed at covering for Ron….the man she professes to love.. IMO
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 am OJ…funny I was laughing when I read your post…
No I do not base my opinions one peoples postings….I do however get a sense of what the over-all populace who even take the time to post feels about it. I’m in the majority of the public in general.
If you think early on it’s possible that she’s still alive and have the audacity to publicly announe you think so or thought so and are later wrong about it expect to be harrassed. Then if that hope springs back again some months later and you entertain the notion it could be true and try to take real efforts to prove it or at least get LE to look in that direction…..you will be ridiculed if you later realize you were wrong and the child had been DEAD since day 1.
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I think shes alive..kidnapped by someone wanting to give her a better life.
I’m sorry to dissapoint you, I don’t agree with your allegations of child rape and molestation that you seem so set on! your a horrible person..imho
I for one, do not think that Ron would molest Haleigh. However, I think he had a temper and that he would of took it out on Misty, with Haleigh getting in the way.
Honestly though, I don’t rule anyone out. LE has not said who their ‘parties of interest’ are and we just all assume we know who they are. I think if they did a poly on everyone in that family, they would all be proven to be liars. To me, they are all suspect until someone(s) is found guilty of the crime. So it doesn’t matter if one person thinks its Ron and one thinks its Misty and someone else thinks its Tommy or Joe, and nothing to get upset about, because it is just opinions. Doesn’t make it fact.
I also am very upset that MG would think such a thing and NOT report it! Itstinks…it does. You can all email her I dsaid so too…LOL!
I don’t know her, nor Crystal, none of these people. I only work for J Shah and have NO LOYALTIES to any of these people. Can everyone else say the same?
Who is J Shah?
OJ…I sincerly hope YOU’RE right! I do!
I was talking about how another person belittles me for reporting what I thought could have been a sighting of her and the fact that I also followed up on it.
FIne, think I’m an awful person…I don’t care. At least I want all the answers not just the pretty ones. I’m not the person who brought it up. Why don;t you guys attack the article writer? huh? Or Go over to TH’s site and write him hate mail.
Just because you villify me doesn’t make whatever the truth is any less true.
HollyGMom, who is “I only work for J Shah “?
HGmom I do not defend any of these individuals!!!!! Now if you can get past that we can discuss why I am not in agreement with the topic at hand and why I continue to bring up Crystal.
Watch any rap video these days on mtv.. They call it dancing but literally get on the ground in pushup position and pretend to go at it. (Talk about over-caffeinated freaks) Its not just rap either its basically all genres of music, especially hip-hop) Bump and grind is not even in fashion anymore its now ‘straight up jungle bumping’. Any kid exposed to that daily might be influenced by what they’ve seen….overly-caffeinated freaks…!
My real life boss. I didn’t want to post his entire name because he doesn’t follow these cases, could care less, and I only brought it up to show that I only have 1 boss and it’s NOT MG/Crystal or Team SHeffield.
BTW OJ I think less of you for your backing of a potential killer or at least someone who claims to have laid in bed listening to a 5 yr old get raped & murdered without lifting a finger to come to her aid. You like her? SHe told her Granny she did that….you’re ok with that?
Or ok with her lying for all this time?
Mary said,
in May 1st, 2010 at 9:25 pm
I agree, Stilllucy. Haleigh’s bed was approx 3-4 feet away from Ron’s and Misty’s bed..There is no way Haleigh didn’t witness sex going on..I’m wondering why her bed wasn’t in Jr’s room. Children do act out in a sexual manner in school if they have been abused..I have witnessed it.
Poor Haleigh never had a chance at a normal childhood. May she rest in peace.
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May I have a link please to her “no way Haleigh didn’t witness sex going on”? Since we are requesting links, it shouldn’t be a problem should it?
oh and by the way I have respected your abilities and determination forsome time now and hate that you and I are having communication problems tonight. My first post was in response to Simons article and not anyones comment here. Heck I didn’t read anything but the article before posting.
I too support the theory that she could be alive somewhere. My very first thoughts were that Crystal had someone go and take her and was going to get JR too, but Misty woke up and foiled the plan. I think maybe she was taken down to the river and put on a boat. Crystal had more than enough motives, plus had a prior for false accusation charges. For the longest time, she was my prime suspect. I still think she is being watched.
However, it seems now that all the focus is elsewhere and they still can’t get an answer.
Please tell us why you are not in agreement, but could it be done so that it is open for discussion and not just a slam?
What does posting about Crystal have to do with the topic other than someone around her could have been the culprit. I did leave that door open, I just didn’t list their names due to the focus being on TOmmy, Timmy, JO, Misty, and/or Ron as mentioned by Simon.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:45 am OJ…I sincerly hope YOU’RE right! I do!
I was talking about how another person belittles me for reporting what I thought could have been a sighting of her and the fact that I also followed up on it.
FIne, think I’m an awful person…I don’t care. At least I want all the answers not just the pretty ones. I’m not the person who brought it up. Why don;t you guys attack the article writer? huh? Or Go over to TH’s site and write him hate mail.
Just because you villify me doesn’t make whatever the truth is any less true.
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say wha?? I villified you by saying “I don’t agree with your allegations of child rape and molestation that you seem so set on!”..
how is that villifing?..
post the quote where that you think I villified you!!!!!
Which came first , the taped conversation between Ron and Cobra about picking Haleigh up or the story that was going around that Misty picked her up ?
TIA
texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 am
Thank you. I appologize if I took offense wrongly.
JenM said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 am
I still hold out slight hope. THe thing that always throws me back is why would Misty and/or Tommy cop to her being dead if it isn’t true? THey certainly wouldn’t allow themselves to go down for murder if they had only assisted in a kidnapping plot. I can not believe they would make up a story of Haleigh being deceased in order to buy themselves a better deal or freedom. It could never happen. If she isn’t dead at their hands or they don’t know for sure….it would be literal suicide to claim it so.
Lori:
That is my opinion..If you’ll notice, I reference my posts to IMO..In my own opinion!!!
It is still my opinion Haleigh witnessed sex acts between Ron and Misty if she slept nightly in the bed photographed 4 feet from Ron and Misty..Are you bored? Are you looking for a fight? Go elsewhere, if you are..
Ron is responsible for the death of his daughter and him alone. He had custody and was responsible for her well being, period. His controlling abusive mentality kept this child from her mother and now because of his vindictive behavior we are where we are today. He should rot in prison. He and Misty did something to cause harm to that child and the should pay for it. They will lie and blame everyone. They care nothing about anyone but themselves. They were made for each other.
HGM Don’t worry too much about TM39 or OJ. You should see the terrrible Website that TM39 has up about Crystal. I can’t find the link but MaineMom40 had it posted here yesterday and exposed her. It’s all about the conspiracy, the kidnaping theory. I’m sure if HaLeigh was there with Crystal, we would all know about it.
HGM, I am new to posting on this site, but you seem to be attacking others and being sarcastic. Why?
Plus you cite something about Misty’s grandma saying something, which has been proved a lie. She never said anything like that. LE said it would of been on the jail phone tapes. Misty has never made a confession, especially one of listening to Haleigh being murdered and raped.
Misty may be lying, but I think she is so messed up in the brain from drugs, she really doesn’t know what is real and what is a dream. None of them seem right in the head actually. They lack any clear memory, judgment or logic.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 am ! your a horrible person..imho
That’s villifing me. Becuase I insist it’s ok to discuss the subject matter of the article?
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heres the exact quote..
“I don’t agree with your allegations of child rape and molestation that you seem so set on! your a horrible person..imho”
I’m a horrible person because I offer where to find the accusations about the objectional content matter? I’m horrible because I am willing to look at those accusations added with Simons content and try to find the fact or fiction? It’s not like I pulled it out of thin air, just to be mean. I’m addressing the supposed topic of discussion. Yes, often we talk about everything in these threads and I like it that way but I don’t think we should be chastized for talking about the article either.
When the 911 operator asks him what Haleigh was last seen wearing, Ron doesn’t immediately turn to Misty and say “quick what was she wearing, what, what, what???!!!” instead he yells into the mouthpiece “HOW THE F*** SHOULD I KNOW, I WEZ AT WERK” I’ll give some wiggle room to the fact that the 911 operator was good, but could have been a lot better. I also would suggest Ron was physically hurting Misty on that 911 call. She was too calm, he had to get some emotion out of her. She is squealing from pain, not from fear.
Ronald goes over his alibi time and time again on the 911 call, in fact it’s the very first thing he does, as well as Misty. It was far more important to establish their alibi’s then to give accurate descriptions of the missing daughter, Haleigh. “What is her birthdate” Ron says “F*** her birthday” what? And you think this guy is as pure as the driven snow. He didn’t look for her and he certainly didn’t help others with vital information to aid in finding his *heart*.
JenM said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 am
Oh boy…if you only knew. Most likely I am in defense mode. I am being told I am a terrible person because I refuse to close my eyes to some things that are being presented to us. Stay awhile, ask around…not everyone has the same hard view of me.
OJ: Exactly….are you denying that was an insult or that you aren’t making me out to be a villian because I was willing to discuss Simon’s imput?
Ugghhh!
They are all guilty of something.
HollysGmom said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:39 pm JM;
TOday is the first day OJ has had anything to say beyond screaming that everyone is incompetent and Misty is being framed.
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That’s rubbish. OJ is one of the most regular posters here and has had a lot to say about the case, and unlike others, doesn’t pretend he saw Haleigh or spread rumours.
Why the personal attack?
Is Nancy Grace a monster for talking about Joe and Tommy raping Haleigh? She went over that topic quite well. Misty said both her brother and Joe had *messed* with her in the past.
I just don’t understand why it’s ok to talk about Joe or Tommy raping Haleigh, but not Ron. Why does that strike such a nerve? It is possible and given his daily behavior of drugs, living with minors, guns, fights, etc. I wouldn’t think a possible molestation would be that far out there. RC is a thug who sold dope rather than getting a JOB or taking care of his son who had just been through an extremely traumatic ordeal. Dope was more important to Ron than his own kids. That’s my opinion, live with it.
court was the next day at 10 i beleive.. knew he was getting home around 3.. bought a beer… probably wasnt planning on drinking it since court was in 7 hours.. even (1) 40 oz.. would not be noticeable by then but with court the next day you’d think sleep was first priority… maybe a 40 puts him to sleep quicker. only 7 hours until custody hearing and gone… I think if crystal was wanting haleigh she would wait until after court that day maybe hoping to go in her favor… if anything i would see Ron as worried… maybe he hid her away (alive) in a place she would be taken care of and still accessible.. like Family in MA where a sighting happened or TN.. aren’t there family from that side of the family opposite vcrystals side. When media got out of control and her face was publicized the caper was up so they took from Ma to Tn jumping around where she wouldn’t be noticed but became nationally recognized as the first few days and weeks passed. Maybe he was planning to keep her far away from crystal just so he still had some control over her life. Maybe thats why hes able to talk about her’ supposed’ death by gators without one glimpse of sadness. maybe sh’es being well-fed elsewhere by arrangement and now everyone involved cant speak based on conspirasting….
… just a thought. ok wow after reading my own theory i dont see that as likely…well i’ll post anyway, but not sure if i should ( this is speculative theory only ) just looking at all angles.. i dont like to get stuck on one theory without questioning all possibilities… Ok wow this one is way out there… get ready left field !
J Shah, General Manager at Shree Goyam Hotel DBA County Inn & Suites….FLorida
JenM said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 am HGM, I am new to posting on this site, but you seem to be attacking others and being sarcastic. Why?
Plus you cite something about Misty’s grandma saying something, which has been proved a lie. She never said anything like that. LE said it would of been on the jail phone tapes. Misty has never made a confession, especially one of listening to Haleigh being murdered and raped.
Misty may be lying, but I think she is so messed up in the brain from drugs, she really doesn’t know what is real and what is a dream. None of them seem right in the head actually. They lack any clear memory, judgment or logic.
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LE has never stated what was or was not on the tapes to Flora H from either Misty or Tommy, so we don’t know whether they told their GM those stories or not as the tapes of those calls were never released so how is that you can prove it to be a lie by HGM? Even Tommy’s atty stated he hasn’t even heard the tapes. Also, do you really believe LE is going to release those tapes if they have anything that would jeapordize the investigation? Help me out here as to you logic about “the lie” that HGM’s is stating as you have no clue wtf is on the tapes.
ANYONE HERE FROM FLORIDA? Question, how late do they sell beer in your state? I know in most its 2am… yet ron bought a beer around 3am… how is this?
me said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:08 am
Yes,,,,it was so pretend that I reported it to LE twice and the Haleighbug center…..If all 600 people who got it wrong were this attacked & ridiculed I bet NONE of them would ever risk reporting another potential sighting….wouldn’t you be proud?
Spread rumors…surely the pot calling the kettle black considering all the garbage you spew.
OJ regularly posts but usually has nothing real to say. Interjections of Misty is being framed or LE bungled the job are not included to me as they offer no discussion or ever address the topic of article or discussion.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 am OJ…funny I was laughing when I read your post…
No I do not base my opinions one peoples postings….I do however get a sense of what the over-all populace who even take the time to post feels about it. I’m in the majority of the public in general.
If you think early on it’s possible that she’s still alive and have the audacity to publicly announe you think so or thought so and are later wrong about it expect to be harrassed. Then if that hope springs back again some months later and you entertain the notion it could be true and try to take real efforts to prove it or at least get LE to look in that direction…..you will be ridiculed if you later realize you were wrong and the child had been DEAD since day 1.
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OJ won’t look foolish….but you will….you are the one who claimed to see Haleigh long after she went missing.
Me, why are you on this “pretending to see HaLeigh” kick? What is the difference between Holly’s possible sighting and the others.
She is not the first or last to point out OJ’s rants, yet you single her out.
JM, Jan originally didn’t want us discussing that topic, due to the heat it brings. I don’t know if she still feels that way or not after Simon’s article. But, I will not engage in it.
Something 7 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 am court was the next day at 10 i beleive..
are you sure? first I heard of that..but i don’t know all the details.
would appreciate a link please..thank you
It just seems that everyone has an opinion and there is no need to get defensive or attack.
I don’t agree with most of the stuff I read on here. There are so many theories and so many reasons to believe a certain way. This group has done nothing but lead everyone in different directions and all directions point away from where Haleigh is.
We don’t know if she is dead or alive. Nothing has been proven or shown as evidence to tell us either way. We have a bunch of lying adults who all have something to hide, hidden motives, and revenge. We have different time lines, alibi’s, coverups, polygraphs, secret letters and phone calls, and suspicious 911 tapes, hours of jail videos and phone call recordings, inconsistent witnesses, bail bond deals, detectives, undercovers, confused people, eyewitnesses, psychics, drug dealers, gun and drug involvement, and a whole lot of theories of what happened. It is almost impossible to sort out. None of our opinions are going to matter anyway. What matters is when the person or persons who did anything to Haleigh are brought to justice. Meanwhile, I think it is interesting to read what other people think about the case. But unless you were there, you really can’t say what happened for sure, just what you think might of happened.
Usually the ATF regulates it. My hubby works in convieniece field ( yes feel free to make fun of that too) and he is told by one owner to stop alcohol sales at 2 am. However since some bars/lounges also have package stores that sell alcohol until closing at 4 am, stores often also sell till 4 am. It is preferred that they stop sooner due to the time between alcohol sales end and when early morning commuters are hitting the streets.
So unless the store is corrected or ATF has issue with it, they must be able to sell until 4am. Either that or the cashier in question got fired or reprimanded.
G’Ma Hollars is a hoot, and interesting to listen to, but I doubt Misty and Tommy told her all she has said they told her..On NG she seemed to go along with Nancy a couple of times, as if NG was putting words in her mouth..Proof will be in the jail tapes..I can’t imagine a grandmother trashing her grandchildren on national t.v. as she did without some merit..She seemed to believe Joe was the culprit, as told to her by Misty and Tommy..The fact that she said all of this makes me suspicious..Did M and T really tell her this? Does she expect a reward of some kind? She says no money is being exchanged..It’s become a circus, and in the process, sweet Haleigh is almost becoming an after thought..IMO
No recordings from the Jails have been released since the search at the docks. And everyone has been transferred to PCSD except for Donna Brock.
OJ only talks glowingly of Misty and hates LE because he has a criminal background and was wrongfully accused. Where have we heard that before? Oh yea, here…….
Someone from FLA, pls answer shayshay’s question above about beer being sold past 2 am in your state… it was ‘supposedly’ boughten around 3 a.m… do they not have a cut-off time in FL ?
me said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 am HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 am OJ…funny I was laughing when I read your post…
No I do not base my opinions one peoples postings….I do however get a sense of what the over-all populace who even take the time to post feels about it. I’m in the majority of the public in general.
If you think early on it’s possible that she’s still alive and have the audacity to publicly announe you think so or thought so and are later wrong about it expect to be harrassed. Then if that hope springs back again some months later and you entertain the notion it could be true and try to take real efforts to prove it or at least get LE to look in that direction…..you will be ridiculed if you later realize you were wrong and the child had been DEAD since day 1.
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OJ won’t look foolish….but you will….you are the one who claimed to see Haleigh long after she went missing.
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LOL about OJ not looking foolish, 95% of the time he/she is ranting about Misty being framed and how she is innocent, well her LVA and 4 LDT’s state something very different. At least HGM is open minded enough to keep an open mind and the topic of this article is what she and the majority are discussing because it IS the topic of the article. Call me crazy but why bother posting on it if you don’t want to discuss it
me said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 am
ANd you’re the one who still claimed up until LE announce Haleigh’s case as a HOMICIDE that the Sheffields took her….guess I’m not the only fool….
no. i’m not sure at all, thats why i added ‘i beleive’ no i don’t have a link but if someone has a link pls post ,post haste !
SOmething 7…I did reply to it….Mostly 2am but sometimes stores will continue until 4am…usually only on weekends though. I am told 4 am is cut-off anywhere but might be earlier.
State law prohibits selling of alcohol between 3 a.m. and 7 a.m., unless the county chooses to change the operating hours later; such as for Sunday morning; Ormond Beach stays open until 7pm on Sundays. Miami-Dade County liquor stores may operate 24 hours a day
State by state list Florida copied and posted per Wikipedia link
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 am Me, why are you on this “pretending to see HaLeigh” kick? What is the difference between Holly’s possible sighting and the others.
She is not the first or last to point out OJ’s rants, yet you single her out.
JM, Jan originally didn’t want us discussing that topic, due to the heat it brings. I don’t know if she still feels that way or not after Simon’s article. But, I will not engage in it.
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The difference is that Holly told us she was on the way to a birthday party…then one night she carried on about how she was in danger from the Sheffields for going public about her sightings. Claimed they were messing with her computer “things were disappearing from her screen and all sorts of crazy stuff. That is the difference. You can go back and read those posts. One night she scared a bunch of us with this “they’re out to get me cause I know too much” stuff.
Re OJ….you may think he goes on repeat rants…imo, he expresses his opinion, as we are all entitled to do. IMO, there are many here that rant far more than OJ does, and to me it sounds like they are posting the same stuff time after time too. Why aren’t they jumped on? How is it different to say what he says to the people who post everyday that Ron is responsible cause he had the care of Haleigh?
I agree with you re not discussing “it” and have been deeply upset by the crazy and unfounded allegations I have read here today, and hope it doesn’t continue.
yes, i saw after i posted that you responded, thanks hgm… my finfgers are fat, i’m a slow typer and find myself behind in the convo most of the time. it wont be the last. LOL
Here in my county no alcohol sales before noon on Sunday….not pertinent to the case at hand, just a mention.
Curious, does it not seem logical that if Misty had made a confession on the phone to her grandmother that they would of charged her with something? Same with Tommy.
We have heard and seen every phone call they have made in and out of that jail on the news, NG and online. Now, Misty’s grandma decides to give 5 different conflicting accounts of what happened and says Misty and Tommy called her within 15 min. of each other and told her this stuff??? Seriously? Sorry, but LE would of been all over it. That’s my opinion.
Me, I was on the board that night, and I too had computer problems after clicking on that cop’s link. so yes, weird things were happening that night. It could have been a glitch but it did happen, never-the-less!!!
I never said she was on her way to a birthday party…I said the “group” told me that might be the case….If you want to know the truth I thought she was traveling home for EASTER since it was the week prior to EASTER 09.
And yes I did get freaked out by some weird stuff happening one night …so did a few other people who contacted me about the stuff that was happening to them as well as stuff the noticed happening about me. So what? Huh? So what? That makes me null and void? I’m crazy or a horrible person because I got spooked ONCE? Fine! I’ll take the heat. At least I’m honest and open with people.
THere again proof positive I at least gave the Sheffield abduction theory some real thought and potential credence but I guess that makes me wrong too.
OJ’s glove said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 am
No smack talker. As a matter of PRINCIPLE I ONLY use HGM so that I take RESPONSIBILITY for what I post. I have enve disclosed my real name on this website becuase I feel no need to hide my identity. At least what I say I am willing to own….
just one said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 am
LOL about OJ not looking foolish, 95% of the time he/she is ranting about Misty being framed and how she is innocent, well her LVA and 4 LDT’s state something very different. At least HGM is open minded enough to keep an open mind and the topic of this article is what she and the majority are discussing because it IS the topic of the article. Call me crazy but why bother posting on it if you don’t want to discuss it
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And others rant 100% of the time about how Ron is responsible.
There are many that agree with OJ about Misty being used as a scapegoat for LE’s incompetence. IMO, you have to be silly to have fallen for the “Misty is the key” stuff. LE should be the key, not a teenage babysitter. They need real, and experienced investigators to be brought into this case. Almost 1 1/2 years and no arrest.
LDTs and VA are junk science…that’s why the courts don’t allow them. You might wanna look beyond what NG “teaches” you about them. I guess you still think Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather is guilty too? After all, he was considered LE’s top suspect after he failed his. Absolute junk science.
It means that you have an open mind about things. Which is a good thing.
I do too. Until, ofcourse, things start changing. FACTS come to light. People start lying and changing their stories.
Hollys,
You are either mistaken or outright lying.
I have never said the Sheffields took her. I have always said they were up there with Tommy as my top suspects. It was you who said they took her. I was always sceptical of your tales. Have you forgotten?
Well, I’ve had enough… I will see y’all later. Wonder what Jan is going to say about all this nitpicking in the morning!
If I rant 100% of the time of Ron’s guilt….when did I have time to post about what I thought was a Haleigh sighting?
or all the links to information on how the Sheffield’s might have pulled it off, or the fact that I was spooked one night because I had been digging in that direction?
Those in and of themselves prove I could not be ranting about Ron’s guilt 100% of the time.
Why are you so dead set he’s innocent? If I have to justify my thinking him guilty you should have to justify thinking him innocent.
In my own defense I have never been out to bash Crystal or her family. I do not make up things and post as opinions to make my point. I have always felt that the facts would reveal the truth, but, have been waiting for 15 months for facts to reveal the truth and have been sorely disappointed because we have a handful if that many that have been confirmed and PCSO has stated they where satisfied but the case still has not been solved.
I will admit I have posted baited comments to Crystal and minions (meaning family and friends not misguided bloggers), because they have made their presence known here and at WS since February 09( I am a member since march 09 and was a daily participant under the same screen name.) and I am wanting certain things to be explained from the horses mouth.
I want to know why she chose to lie and misled the public about the facts when her child was missing and she was never a suspect; a bad mom, maybe, but, not who went in that night and took HaLeigh.
If you or I was in that position I would of probably kept the focus on my missing child and my priority would first be to find HaLeigh and then let the chips fall on the guilty before seeking the media to lynch Ron and Misty. In fact it began during the search for HaLeigh before PCSO had a chance to begin their investigation. Crystals cooperation with LE was the only persons that deserved or even required her honesty and IMO we know now that was not what she gave them or the public.
I stand by my gut feeling and intuition based on the 15 months that I have followed this case not on the handful of facts ,because, even they are still denied to be truths. As for all the lies… well we have plenty to go around and are probable more heinous than what actually occurred.
Why is the abduction of Haleigh seem unreal? It seems very real to me. Especially the way Crystal acted. I remember the day when I was watching a “live report” from when the dogs had hit on the dumpster. The news reporter saw Crystal and went up to her and said The dogs just hit on the dumpster. Crystal did not respond except to try and say that she was tired of people talking about her. The news reporter then said, Did you hear me? I said they think they may of found Haleigh. At that time she crosses her arms and says, Im am just so mad that people are talking about me getting my hair done….”. That was a deal breaker for me. She had no response, period! I think it is because she knew Haleigh wasn’t in the dumpster. (If I find the link again, I will post it so you can all see it).
However, that doesn’t make it true that she was in on an abduction (she owed 12,000 in back child support, etc), but it sure added to the thought that it was a possibility because these things happen all the time with the non-custodial parent, especially one as angry, jealous and vindictive as Crystal.
me said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:41 am
No that’s the point…I haven’t forgotten.
It’s always the direction you point in.
I didn’t say they DID , I said I was willing to look into the possibility and I did but that’s not enough…D@mned if you do D@mned if you don’t.
How do we account for misty’s failed ldt’s ?
JenM said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:33 am Curious, does it not seem logical that if Misty had made a confession on the phone to her grandmother that they would of charged her with something? Same with Tommy.
We have heard and seen every phone call they have made in and out of that jail on the news, NG and online. Now, Misty’s grandma decides to give 5 different conflicting accounts of what happened and says Misty and Tommy called her within 15 min. of each other and told her this stuff??? Seriously? Sorry, but LE would of been all over it. That’s my opinion.
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I am so glad we have an intelligent newcomer! Please stay with us! And of course, you are absolutely right. If they had made the calls GMA claims they made, they would have been charged weeks ago. I do hope they charge GMA. I think she was hoping she’d make a buck out of it. Probably hoping Lennie would buy her a car or something.
… so was the court hearing the next day at 10 or not?… can anyone confirm what i posted above about court being next day.. the whole theory was speculative but the day of court was going on past reading here at the forum so i’m ‘assuming’ at least that part is true.. the rest was theory based on that ‘supposed’ knowledge…. anyone… i was asked to verify so now i’m curious if it was heresay or real on that one part.
I wonder if Lyndsay will be given a speedy divorce like Ronald was.
IMO We will be surprised at what LE has, and knows..Tommy’s attorney has said Tommy didn’t do it, but knows what happened. He also said we will be surprised..Unless it’s someone other than Tommy, Timmy, Misty, Ron, Joe, Crystal, Nay Nay, WB Greg, Chad, Amber, Chelsey or Lindsay, it’s quite possible we will be surprised..Did I miss anyone?
me said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 am just one said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 am
LOL about OJ not looking foolish, 95% of the time he/she is ranting about Misty being framed and how she is innocent, well her LVA and 4 LDT’s state something very different. At least HGM is open minded enough to keep an open mind and the topic of this article is what she and the majority are discussing because it IS the topic of the article. Call me crazy but why bother posting on it if you don’t want to discuss it
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And others rant 100% of the time about how Ron is responsible.
There are many that agree with OJ about Misty being used as a scapegoat for LE’s incompetence. IMO, you have to be silly to have fallen for the “Misty is the key” stuff. LE should be the key, not a teenage babysitter. They need real, and experienced investigators to be brought into this case. Almost 1 1/2 years and no arrest.
LDTs and VA are junk science…that’s why the courts don’t allow them. You might wanna look beyond what NG “teaches” you about them. I guess you still think Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather is guilty too? After all, he was considered LE’s top suspect after he failed his. Absolute junk science.
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Probably because most feel Ron is either directly or indirectly involved as to what happened that night.
Misty being the key doesn’t mean she did the deed, it means they believe she either has knowledge (and in my opinion that knowledge is WHO IS THE LOCK TO THE KEY), or they may feel she is guilty of harming HaLeigh.
I don’t think LVA’s or LDT’s are junk science and I sure as heck wouldn’t listen to NG as she is clueless in this case, she repeats things that are factually untrue and states non-stop that Ron passed his poly based only on Ron stating he did, even LE came out after the fiasco on the Today show and stated the don’t tell the results of the polygraphs. There are rare times people who are guilty pass a poly and vice versa but they are rare indeed. I also never thought any Lunsford was guilty in that case, mainly because they cooperated with LE and didn’t try to slow the investigation as this group of Cummings/Croslins have. They lack credibility because there stories and actions make no sense, never have and never will period.
BPrising.. Let me know if you use twitter. I want to follow you.
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jaba said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 am How do we account for misty’s failed ldt’s ?
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We all now know Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather didn’t do anything to her. So sad that people are accused of such horrific things based on junk science. If they had real evidence, they would have charged her by now. She’s not the brightest girl in the world, and they’ve had over a year. Still nada. Why not?
JenM said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 am I too support the theory that she could be alive somewhere. My very first thoughts were that Crystal had someone go and take her and was going to get JR too, but Misty woke up and foiled the plan. I think maybe she was taken down to the river and put on a boat. Crystal had more than enough motives, plus had a prior for false accusation charges. For the longest time, she was my prime suspect. I still think she is being watched.
They have more than we know.
However, it seems now that all the focus is elsewhere and they still can’t get an answer.
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Don’t be so sure about that yet.
Mary,
Jose Baez also claims his client didn’t do it. That’s a lawyer’s job. It’s for a court to decide who is guilty or not, and at this point, no one is even charged with anything related to her disappearance.
There you go….yet I’m being labeled a liar, a fool, wasting LE’s time, and every other concievable nefarious thing because I was at one time in agreement that it was not only possible but likely. After RRII and the drug bust I felt differently. That’s when all this attacking resumed. As long as I was willing to point at Crystal and co all was fine but as soon as I felt ROn and/or Misty might be the culprits it was on!
Why would Tommy & Misty direct LE to the river as Haleigh’s remians site if they don’t know she’s dead? LIes like that would NEVER buy them freedom or leniency.
Something 7 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 am … so was the court hearing the next day at 10 or not?… can anyone confirm what i posted above about court being next day.. the whole theory was speculative but the day of court was going on past reading here at the forum so i’m ‘assuming’ at least that part is true.. the rest was theory based on that ’supposed’ knowledge…. anyone… i was asked to verify so now i’m curious if it was heresay or real on that one part.
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No the court date was still a few weeks away to the best of my recollection. But the papers threatening Crystal with jail for contempt of a court order were served the day before Haleigh went missing.
I have been posting with HGM quite alot, and she looks at things from every angle, not just Ron. We have changed and looked at it from every angle, night after night. In fact Ron hasn’t been mentioned much for awhile. He came up more, today, because that is what the article was about.
Frustration said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 am
I think that side of the family has alot more to hide than the Croslins and the Cummings for sure.
JMO
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I don’t think anyone who is guilty of a crime or that participated in a crime, especially of a child, is going to go to LE and say give me a lie detector, hypnotize me! Either Misty has no idea of what really happened that night (becuase she was drugged up) or she is a brilliant mastermind that can fool the FBI. I choose number one.
On the 911 tape, I think Ron was hurting her also when she was making those noises. Very revealing.
The meetings with S.Brown and Tommy’s attorney with LE, the calls to grandma Flo, the letter to Chelsea and Timmy from Misty all of this stuff went down during the same time prior to the search and the questioning of Misty and Tommy and the family meeting. This is all part of the investigation. Nothing will be released. It was mentioned yesterday, I believe by AH, that they are preparing for the Grand Jury. LE may not file any charges. They may wait and let the Grand Jury decide who and what the charges are going to be.
The recent abuse allegations even brought to mind the fact that those allegations could have been used to make an organization take her underground. There are orgs that do so to get kids out of abusive (especially sexually) homes, whether the allegations are true or false.
But ut oh…better not voice that possibility…I’ll be labeled a crack-pot.
BTW I have mentioned this very real possibility here before. Even gave some links of orgs who do such manuvers.
Wow something7… don’t hold back!
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 am
Why would Tommy & Misty direct LE to the river as Haleigh’s remians site if they don’t know she’s dead? LIes like that would NEVER buy them freedom or leniency.
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and thats true because you read it online?
LE took them there! they did not DIRECT LE!!
How do you know what they know?..
your ill.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:00 am The recent abuse allegations even brought to mind the fact that those allegations could have been used to make an organization take her underground. There are orgs that do so to get kids out of abusive (especially sexually) homes, whether the allegations are true or false.
But ut oh…better not voice that possibility…I’ll be labeled a crack-pot.
BTW I have mentioned this very real possibility here before. Even gave some links of orgs who do such manuvers.
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HGM-I have noticed you do look at every angle in depth, so I appreciate your imput, so I’m asking with true sincerity with all that has been revealed, the search by the dock what do you speculate happened that night. I have my theories and most know them but since you have looked at angles I haven’t I tend to think of you as neutral and follow where the limited facts lead.
TIA
Come on people, this thread is going to be shut down, if you don’t stop fighting! This is silly. Not a one of us have enough facts to say who is guilty! THIS IS SILLY DON’T RESPOND TO THE ATTACKS AND THIS WILL STOP.
You guys need to call a truce and stop responding to stupid stuff and stop the constant defending of yourself. It makes it difficult to read the posts with all the back and forth bs. It’s useless chatter that means nothing.
I would like to hear some other theories out there on what might of happened….as I think anything is possible (especially with all the lies we know).
stillucy;
Very valid point. That is what is taking so long for charges to be brought. They are conveining the Grand Jury. When the prosecutor goes beofre that GJ they have to say beyond ANY shadow of a doubt who they feel is the guilty party, to what extent, and why. They have to say that they have followed every lead and option and are convinced that the charges they propose fit the accused and circumstances to such an extent as for the GJ to believe there will be a satisfactory conviction. If they can not say for absolutely sure it’s the person who is to be charged…no Grand Jury.
SHall I link the official prerequisite for conveining one?
OJ’s glove said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:02 am
Yes…online at Jax4News, First Coast News, and other reputable newspaper sites per Werner’s statements, Steve Brown’s statements, as well as LE….
Please dispute that.
Can you imagine the stuff that they have to go thru with this bunch of characters? OMG! And GJ are more informal than trial alot of stuff can be entered into evidence there.
I put up with these tag-team matches to even be able to post here….and I usually am the one to just leave, try to change the subject, talk about what others are posting instead, or just plain defend my position…yet I usually am the one that gets rebuffed for it.
OK….onto the topic of Grand Jury or something other than myself…I should just ignore but it’s hard to be dispairaged so.
We are on the verge of finding something important out. Lyndsay loved Tommy. She had to have found out something big to divorce him. When divorces happen, people start talking more. Things are breaking, so let’s hold our patience together a little while longer.
It will take a year just to get thru all the video tapes and the lies of EVERYONE involved.
God, I’d hate to be on that GJ. I would need medication or alcohol!
My opinion on the whole river thing is this:
Tommy (reportedly) failed his poly. Then LE pressured him for the truth. I think he may of said that “possibly Joe threw Haliegh in the river”, based on the (reported)conversation about Joe saying it was a good place to hide a body. Now, maybe LE took that and ran with it. Began a search down at the River just to check that off the list. Maybe they took Misty down there and said “have you ever been down here before”? Maybe she said ‘yes’. Maybe they asked her where have you been on this dock? etc. etc.
I personally don’t believe that Tommy said this was an Absolute place of where Haleigh was put, etc. I think LE was following up on a possible lead from something Tommy told them, which was something to do with Joe and the river.
LE seems to have bumbled this case from the beginning. Also, things that seem logical to us, are just not logical to these people (such as the 911 operator asking you if the back door looks like it was broken into and you have to say hold on so you can go look, as that would of been one of the things you noticed when looking for your daughter, I would think).
just one said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:03 am
TO be honest, first and formost I have a hard time letting go of hope that Haleigh’s still alive without remains being found, even if LE declares her deceased. Some small kernel of hope still remains that she is being kept safe and sound with someone.
However, since the river search and Werner’s Tommy statements, Steve Brown’s Tommy statements and Misty being taken to the scene all make me believe that LE knows way more then they are telling us. I don’t believe they would decare her deceased without adequate proof but that’s JMO.
If blocks & rope were found at river as well as Tommy’s house, in light of Lindsy’s recent divorce filing, I am leaning towards his active involvement in her death. Again JMO at this time. JO, I believe helped TC, JMO Misty might have drugged Haleigh, or accidental death by some means. The only person I suspect of outright murder would be IF Haleigh had been sexually abused and her abuser was trying to keep it quiet. (Any number of potential people)
Something 7:
Please don’t leave this blog because of people who criticize you. I understood your post. Some people like to nit pick everything one says, and respond to them negatively. It’s harassment, and if you succumb to them, they win..Blogs, this one, should be about expressing one’s opinion freely, but there will always be people who like to cause havoc. Don’t ignore them, let them know you don’t want them responding to your posts..It is so childish the way some bloggers act..It’s usually the ones who know little about the case, and have no viable input to add to the convo..
JenM:
These people are cunning. They could have been using stalling tactics and bunnytrails and temper fits to keep from answering any real questions.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:07 am OJ’s glove said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:02 am
Yes…online at Jax4News, First Coast News, and other reputable newspaper sites per Werner’s statements, Steve Brown’s statements, as well as LE….
Please dispute that.
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I’ll use my whole quote, and readers can decide for them selves what I meant..
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HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 am
Why would Tommy & Misty direct LE to the river as Haleigh’s remians site if they don’t know she’s dead? LIes like that would NEVER buy them freedom or leniency.
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OJ’s glove said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:02 am
and thats true because you read it online?
LE took them there! they did not DIRECT LE!!
How do you know what they know?..
your ill.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 am texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 am
Thank you. I apologize if I took offense wrongly.
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I am equally sorry for the misunderstanding.
I think you have a very open mind and have looked at as much as I if not more and are very knowledgeable about what has been said and done.
You are a great sleuth! I am also capable of finding things as well. I chose not to spend my money on a case that I am just following,
but, my background is in skip tracing and I can find anyone and anything if I had the information I needed and the money to do it LOL… I sound like cobra.
I no longer do that for a living for over 10 years now (since loosing my daughter) and have not the access to information that was once free and at my finger tips. I have not spoke to any of these individuals nor have I pounded the streets looking as I was once paid to do. I am not tooting my horn just letting you know that I respect your opinions, compassion and skills, but, disagree with your current theory. I think if you kept with HaLeigh was abducted and kept alive for a period of time and then was killed we might be close in our theories. I still have no idea who did do it, but, have a few names on my list. I am trying to wean my self off of this case and have been getting caught up with the house and properties and grand baby etc. I am waiting for the fat lady to sing and then we all will have a lot to really talk about if we can after being speechless.
Stilllucy;
You’re right about that. SO many potential people, places, stories, lies, etc….how are they ever gonna be able to sort it all out quickly? or ever? Misty points at JO, TOmmy points at JO, Misty, or Ron, JO points at MIsty IMO, Ron of course points at anyone but Crystal, drug boys, and a few others.
I swear I loose sleep at night worried about who might get away with murder due to all the reasonable doubt that has been spread around by MANY.
JMHO Ron has nothing to do with this. Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. The people are either lying because their just viscous or their honestly telling a lie. Meaning they are thinking of another day and have it confused with this one. Haleigh likely never did such things at school or any where else. The Grandma did the laundry because she felt it helped out. Ronald was a single dad and men some times struggle with laundry. It probably gave her something to do and made her feel connected and part of their lives, some families do that. It’s not over drugs and has nothing to do with Ronald. That is one way to go the easy way in my opinion. Gets away from sinking teeth into the vast issues on the table that over years lead to this horrific night. Tommy did lie and is likely still lying. Tommy pisses me off and strikes as full of BS and completely lacking good character. Joe is another cup of tea one that makes me want to vomit. It is as it is a collision of lives that little girl lost her life too. I just pray they have some physical evidence to tie that warped cookie to this crime. If they don’t they will hear of him again in his life time. It is sad that people make up such nonsense. That is personal politics. The Ronald and Crystal camps or the art AND SIMON CAMP (SEPARATE SAND BOXES FOR EVERYONE) keep it up and there will have to be some heavy time outs delivered. It should only be Haleigh camp. IMHO People should not lie just tell the truth and give her life some dignity and her family some peace.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Please stop with the back and forth. No one cares. That means no more converstation and no more defending yourself. It’s getting annoying really.
Isn’t the reason we have heard nothing is because LE is awaiting the forensics testing? That should take another couple of weeks..
Cousin Joe Overstreet done it. Really is that simple. Sorry for ya all that don’t wanna think it is true. Don’t know if misty or tommy helped or something.
Call me crazy but, why are small children eating their dinner, be it chefboyardee, after 7pm and going to bed at 8 pm. What if, Ron told Misty to give the kids narcotics to pacify her to babysit since she didn’t want to? Maybe this was common practice for them. I never really considered the od scenario before. I just can’t wrap my head around it. I was leaning more toward a fight between Ron and his underage girlfriend over her not wanting to babysit his kids again. I still think he left his job site that night, somehow. Just a gut feeling.
texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:21 am
Thank you and AMEN! Fat lady…please SING!!!
I can see what you mean about abducted then killed later. Why though? To keep from getting caught for abduction or something more sinister? Heck, I’m willing to discuss it. I may or may not agree but am at least willing to think about it.
Mary:
The sheriff said in about 2 weeks from the river search. I think all the things that we are beginning to see, now like this divorce, may be because LE has some new evidence.
Lisa said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 am Cousin Joe Overstreet done it. Really is that simple. Sorry for ya all that don’t wanna think it is true. Don’t know if misty or tommy helped or something.
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your punctuation is too good for who you pretend to be.
I find it very hard to believe that a retired FBI agent, S.Brown, would miss HaLeigh right under his nose alive.
me said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 am Something 7 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 am … so was the court hearing the next day at 10 or not?… can anyone confirm what i posted above about court being next day.. the whole theory was speculative but the day of court was going on past reading here at the forum so i’m ‘assuming’ at least that part is true.. the rest was theory based on that ’supposed’ knowledge…. anyone… i was asked to verify so now i’m curious if it was heresay or real on that one part.
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No the court date was still a few weeks away to the best of my recollection. But the papers threatening Crystal with jail for contempt of a court order were served the day before Haleigh went missing.
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Recently it was revealed that the court date was Febuary 10th at 8 am.
It would be nice for just the simple facts to be confirmed so that our opinions could possible come closer to the truth of HaLeighs abduction and who did have motive, oppertunity and the ability to pull this off for 15 months.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:17 am just one said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:03 am
TO be honest, first and formost I have a hard time letting go of hope that Haleigh’s still alive without remains being found, even if LE declares her deceased. Some small kernel of hope still remains that she is being kept safe and sound with someone.
However, since the river search and Werner’s Tommy statements, Steve Brown’s Tommy statements and Misty being taken to the scene all make me believe that LE knows way more then they are telling us. I don’t believe they would decare her deceased without adequate proof but that’s JMO.
If blocks & rope were found at river as well as Tommy’s house, in light of Lindsy’s recent divorce filing, I am leaning towards his active involvement in her death. Again JMO at this time. JO, I believe helped TC, JMO Misty might have drugged Haleigh, or accidental death by some means. The only person I suspect of outright murder would be IF Haleigh had been sexually abused and her abuser was trying to keep it quiet. (Any number of potential people)
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Thanks for your insight, I am still unsure or who/how/when and where this all happened and who is responsible directly and indirectly.
O/T – I think we are practically neighbors as I read you live in C-View.
Dusty Rose, I think the people at the bus stop did see the van, but it may of been Crystal in the van picking up her kids as reported.
I beleive it is documented by the school and social services as to the things Haleigh did.
Im sure his Mom did do the laundry to help them out, however, she reports that she supposedly did the laundry because Ron and Misty had no laundry soap that night. This is why people are suspicious of Misty saying she herself washed the bed sheets that night from Haleigh peeing the bed, as she had no soap.
Also when LE came out after the 911 call, there were piles of dirty laundry behind the doors.
What are you saying is not over drugs and nothing to do with Ron? Do you mean Haleigh being gone? He is in jail right now for drugs ya know, so no surprises there about his involvement with drugs.
Mary said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 am
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No fight Mary but you did not state that was your opinion in your post I copied. It was stated as fact and since you are a link type person I was just asking for your help.
I just think there are enough rumors that are harmful to HaLeigh’s memory that we should all be more careful of what we post. Just my opinion, but Marie denied that conversation ever took place with Wayanne and it wouldn’t be the first time Wayanne has stated false information about this and other cases.
I think we all know where these thoughts that Simon suddenly has came from. It’s sad to see Simon fall for this. This has always been the best blog to come to for fact based articles or at least the facts as we know them at this time. Most of the long time readers and posters here have been so cordial to each other because, in my opinion, the hosts here set a great example for us. I hate to see that end.
Mary, most of my rambling comment was not directed at you, just my general thoughts. As I hit post, I realized I should have separated it into two posts.
Stilllucy:
I’ve thought of that scenario, but I can’t imagine Haleigh swallowing a pill..It could have been crushed and put in her inhaler, as another theory I’ve heard, but I don’t buy that either. I think she was killed, intentional, or by accident by the hands of those who were around her the most..
stilllucy;
True especially since his professional reputation is on the line and he has no motivation to cover for the Sheffields. I have a hard time believing that he would jeopordize such a substantial career by aiding them. TO me after his distinguished career(s), yes multiple, money wouldn’t be the reason he’s do so.
just one said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:34 am
Yes, yes I do…..I’ve been pretty open about it, especially county= Okaloosa. I brought that up due to our last sherrif being indicted on Employee Bonus Kick-back shceme that took about 30 officers with him, at least into unemployment. That was brought up to illistrate my reluctence to totally trust LE.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:42 am just one said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:34 am
Yes, yes I do…..I’ve been pretty open about it, especially county= Okaloosa. I brought that up due to our last sherrif being indicted on Employee Bonus Kick-back shceme that took about 30 officers with him, at least into unemployment. That was brought up to illistrate my reluctence to totally trust LE.
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I’m in Seaside myself, but remember the supposed sighitng at the WMT in Crestview.
Night all
In a community such as that, I can only imagine how many cinder blocks they could find in that river by those docks. And that yellow rope? Come on, it’s a boat dock. With all the muck, forensics would be a nightmare. I would be surprised if they find anything there after all this time. Unless, it has a name on it.
wanna know what cops are really like when they think no one is watching? watch the rodney king video…google it. Thats them in all their glory!
Lori;
I respect you opinion and input. My only comment is that regardless of what someone possible did to Haleigh, whatever sick twisted thing or who did it….it could never lessen her memory for me. If anything, to find that info out to be true, would make me even more compassionate & loving toward her, if that’s possible. WHatever was DONE to her it in no way diminishes her or her impact on us all. I hope it’s just rumor and that Simon doesn’t have info to prove it so or even justify the acknowledgement of such a rumor, but maybe he does. WHat if he does? Still doesn’t mean ROn…
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:28 am texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:21 am
Thank you and AMEN! Fat lady…please SING!!!
I can see what you mean about abducted then killed later. Why though? To keep from getting caught for abduction or something more sinister? Heck, I’m willing to discuss it. I may or may not agree but am at least willing to think about it.
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JMO At one point I began to relize that it is a good posibility that the abductor or the caretaker of choice made a decision to distance themselves from the crime and maybe many more crimes that where commited because of the abduction. IMO I believe PCSO has to have some proof that HaLeigh was killed not just a theory at this point.
I am not buying Steven K Browns claims he solved the crime or that Tommy led LE to a crime sceane in a crime he was not a participant in but just happens to know something and add in Misty is only guilty of child endangerment.
IT stinks and doesn’t add up.
Lets take a closer look at JO if ya want to?
Stilllucy:
They could have found part of the blanket or JO’s shirt that could have been hid out there or a weapon of some kind. They found something. Maybe, Tommy told them just how the blocks were tied to the yellow rope. We just don’t know, but I believe they left things behind that they didn’t want found. I read in one place that JO’s shirt was missing the next morning. In fact several people could have left shirts or socks behind.
Well, there is evidence of “one” of Haleigh’s footprints outside the back door ramp. She was taken out that back door, that I have no doubt in my mind. However, was she dead or alive? Seems someone was carrying her and maybe one of her feet dropped to the ground or she tried to wiggle loose and got a foot down? Maybe she slid from the blanket. Maybe someone carried her out while she was still asleep? Maybe it wasn’t someone she knew or maybe it was.
To me, if she died in the house, then there would be evidence (maybe vomit on her blanket from an accidental overdose?) but then Misty washed that blanket, right?
I hope if that was the case, then I hope it is just that they all paniked in their drug induced states of mind and didn’t know what to do. I hope Haleigh did not suffer physically from anyone.
Now, if she was carried out of the house alive and down to the river (where the dogs traced her scent to), then maybe she was placed in a boat and taken somewhere. If she was dead, then maybe she was tossed in the river? If she was alive and then taken somewhere and killed, well, I hope not.
There was that woman in Jacksonville who sold her 5 year old to a pedophile for prostitution. They had him on tape at the hotel. She did it to support her drug habit.
Maybe Joe was angry he didn’t get the gun he wanted from Ron and then Joe came back and took Haliegh to give in trade, to get himself off the hook with that person. Who knows.
Steven Brown makes statements like someone killed her.
What sticks with me is Tommy’s attorney said that we would be surprised by the truth when it surfaces. Joe Overstreet would not be a surprise, he’s too easy. The way Tommy’s attorney said it with that smirk on his face, he was almost giddy. It just sticks with me.
OJ…you’re right, at least in part. That is a reality sometimes. Recently a young man told me about how he had been “roughed up” by some local police after being arrested for assaulting a manager at a local business.
He told me about how after he had cussed the officers like dogs and did everything possible to be a pain in the ….that he was lead into a small room and about 14 officers surrounded him and took turns taking licks…
I told him…I’m aware of that type of thing. Main reason I stay out of trouble ,lol. ALso I told him that people are aware that sometimes cops are apt to get rough…it’s why we all watch COPS! LOL! If they can get a white collar criminal to take off his shirt and run around screaming obsenities while being arrested, they’d air that too.
I know it sounds like I’m condoning violent treatment by LE, I’m not really. However, they are humans too and why do people have to be such idiots? Pizz off your local Gestapo and see what happens. Especially if you live in a small southern town. Once you are in their radar, everytime you leave your driveway expect some trouble.
JenM said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:35 am Dusty Rose, I think the people at the bus stop did see the van, but it may of been Crystal in the van picking up her kids as reported.
I beleive it is documented by the school and social services as to the things Haleigh did.
Im sure his Mom did do the laundry to help them out, however, she reports that she supposedly did the laundry because Ron and Misty had no laundry soap that night. This is why people are suspicious of Misty saying she herself washed the bed sheets that night from Haleigh peeing the bed, as she had no soap.
Also when LE came out after the 911 call, there were piles of dirty laundry behind the doors.
What are you saying is not over drugs and nothing to do with Ron? Do you mean Haleigh being gone? He is in jail right now for drugs ya know, so no surprises there about his involvement with drugs.
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not picking at ya, but, please provide a link for AS’s statement that that is why she washed the clothes that day and delivered them that night. I would also want a link that stated that they had no laundry soap in the home and when that was reported please and by whom. TYIA
TexMommy:
AS said on NG show during the battle of the grammaws that she had always washed the children’s clothes. She said she just couldn’t stand for the children’s clothes to have spots on them. She said Misty did the family’s laundry.
Yea…good question…where did the lack of laundry soap originate? Was it from an interview? Chelsea? Lindsy? GGMS? Anybody remember….?
Going for transcript of NG Battling Grannies…stand by…LOL!
When this first happened and the detective was talking to Ron (its on tape), Ron talks about the LE being on the take, etc..
Doesn’t Ron’s mom work for LE in some capacity? Maybe he is getting special treatment due to that? Maybe he is an ‘informant’ for the cops and that is why they beleive his story.
I haven’t seen anyone (but me) post this theory, but here goes….
I think Ron was in on the drug bust. I think it was a sting operation to get Misty and Tommy in jail so they could get the truth out of them. Isn’t it odd that we only see videos, etc of Tommy and Misty in jail talking to their family and reports on them. I never see ones of Ron or his family or hear about how he is doing in jail. That is really odd, don’t you all think? Plus, the video’s of the police drug bust. Ron jumps out of the car first thing when the cops show up. Odd. Also, if you watch closely, he is in the back seat doing something that can’t be made out. Sort of like he knows what is about to go down. Misty is told to take possession of the money and drugs and put in her purse….The whole thing seemed odd. Also, you think you would hear his mom crying about him being in jail, etc. So, I think Ron is playing along with LE on this one, just to get the truth.
Misty stated that they had no laundry soap on the interviews that she was doing that morning.
Jen M,
AS did the kids laundry only and Misty or Ron did the rest of the house laundry. Obviously Misty had something to wash with. Think about it guys LE CSI that trailer and all that would of factored into the case early on and it was of no value. It is of no use to speculate on fill in when JenM you have made some valid points about the foot print and the scent trail the dogs followed.
My above comment was to actually help you.
Also welcome to BNN I haven’t seen you post before but then again I have only been posting for a few months here myself, but, have read for over a year here.
Tommy’s attorney would like to get attention off of Tommy, I would think. I don’t think Tommy is a killer, however.
I will try and find the links, but for now, I am going to sleep.
If you do a google search, Im sure you can find it though. It’s been reported numerous times.
Lori, you need to go back and read my post..In no way did I say anything implying fact! No link is needed when an opinion is posted..Please stop your harassment..Direct your comments from now on to others..I want to stay on topic…not waste my time critiquing others…You started this, now I am ending it, unless you want to spend all night arguing back and forth..Do not accuse me of stating a fact, which I did not do.
Again, what I said was, “Ron and Misty’s bed was 3-4 feet from Haleigh’s…No way did she not witness sex acts” Tell me, where am I saying it’s factual? That, is an opinion, not a fact, as you are accusing me of stating..Obviously, you can’t differentiate fact from opinion regarding my post..Post something of intellect, and stop trying to start arguments, which you were, and continuing…
I don’t think I speculated on anything. I know I heard Misty state it and I’ve read it many places. Anyway, goodnite.
I don’t think anyone said they didn’t have laundry detergent until Ron said it well into the case, and I din’t know whether to believe him or not. Actually, I think Cobra or T.J. may have told us that RC said that on one of the radio programs.
Holy Moly!
Here is the transcript. Sorry no soap mention but I am curios about that issue still.
Also with us, Annette Sykes, joining us exclusively. This is Haleigh`s great-grandmother. She was there at the home just hours before Haleigh disappeared.
First to you, Ms. Sykes. What did you observe in the home that evening?
ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: I stopped by about 7:30 to drop off some laundry that I had done. I always did the children`s laundry just because it`s something I`ve always done. And the children were on the front porch with Misty. They were eating supper. And when we drove up, Haleigh jumped out of her chair and come running up and gave me a hug. And Junior came out and gave me a hug, and I gave them a kiss. And Misty walked out. She helped carry some of the clothes into the house and got the children`s shirts on, and they got back up to eat supper. I gave them a kiss, told them good-bye, and I got back in the car and left.
GRACE: So all along, Ms. Sykes, Misty Croslin has told us that that evening she spent that evening doing laundry, doing the kids` laundry. So that`s not true. You did the laundry?
SYKES: She did hers and Ronald`s and the household laundry, but I did the children`s clothes because I didn`t like them — I didn`t like them to have stains or anything on them. I`m real — I just always did their laundry, the children`s laundry. They did their own…
GRACE: And at that time…
SYKES: … the adults` and the household laundry.
GRACE: And at that time, Ms. Sykes, Ronald Cummings was already at work?
SYKES: Yes. Absolutely.
GRACE: OK. So he`s out of the picture. Ms. Sykes, I know that by now, you are aware that Ms. Hollars, who is Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin`s grandmother — she`s the one, one of ones, that called police, that ended up mounting this search of the St. John`s River — really believes that Ronald Cummings, your grandson, is partially at fault. What`s your response?
SYKES: I heard what she said on your show about Ronald being responsible because he left the children with her and she was all strung out. But I was there, and she was not strung out. I mean, she was walking and talking just — I mean, I talked to her. Like I said, she helped me carry the laundry in. She had fixed supper for the children. They were eating.
HOLLARS: I have a question for you. Why didn`t Teresa take those kids home with her when Misty offered to pay for her to take her home?
SYKES: I was not aware that she did.
HOLLARS: She most certainly did.
GRACE: OK, hold on just a moment. Ms. Hollars, where are you getting that information?
HOLLARS: I got that information from every one of them in Florida. All my kids down there knew that.
GRACE: So that came from Misty Croslin?
HOLLARS: It came from Misty. It also came from her mama. And it also…
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, wait, stop. Who was there when she asked Ms. Neves to take the children?
HOLLARS: That I don`t know.
GRACE: Well, what other people may tell you that weren`t there really doesn`t account for anything. But Ms. Hollars, I want to go back over your assertion about what Misty told you, what Tommy Croslin told you from behind bars. Ms. Hollars, now I understand that you believe there`s a scenario in which little Haleigh was molested before she was murdered.
HOLLARS: I feel like that.
GRACE: Why?
HOLLARS: I just don`t know, but that`s what I think.
GRACE: Isn`t it true that there has been a scenario put out there, and it had to come from behind bars, that Misty Croslin heard the child in the next room screaming?
HOLLARS: Yes.
GRACE: Where did that come from.
HOLLARS: So did little Junior hear the couch bouncing.
GRACE: And my question is, where did that story come from?
HOLLARS: It came from Misty.
GRACE: What did she say?
HOLLARS: That she heard Haleigh in there crying.
GRACE: And who was in the room with Haleigh?
HOLLARS: I`m going to say Joe or Tommy, one.
GRACE: Or both?
HOLLARS: Or both.
GRACE: And what, if anything, did Misty Croslin do to take care of Haleigh?
HOLLARS: According to what she told me when all this was going on, she`d already had been threatened by Joe, and she grabbed Junior and got into bed, and they covered up their heads completely. And when she took the covers off of her head, Haleigh was gone.
GRACE: To Ms. Sykes, Annette Sykes.
SYKES: Yes?
GRACE: This is Haleigh Cummings`s great-grandmother. That`s the first time I have heard that scenario over the airwaves. What is your response? She would stay there with a sheet over her head while a child screamed in the next room.
SYKES: That`s the first time I`ve ever heard that. I`ve never heard that before. I was not aware of that. I`ve not ever heard that story before. I really don`t know. I — it`s — I mean, I don`t see how anybody could do that, if it`s true. But I don`t know. I`ve not ever heard that story before. I`ve heard so many stories. We all have. And you never know what to believe anymore. My thing is that they`re going to have to prove to me anything that they tell me. If they want me to believe it, they`re going to have to prove it.
GRACE: Ms. Sykes, what do you think of them searching — the police searching the St. John`s River?
SYKES: Well, evidently, they had some tip. Somebody called them. And they were down there searching. And I went down there early that morning and didn`t — you know, they wouldn`t tell me anything. And I wasn`t — I knew what they were searching — you know, I knew they were looking for something participating (SIC) to Haleigh, but I didn`t really know what.
HOLLARS: I was the one that called you and told you that.
SYKES: Yes, she did. Ms. Hollars called me and told me — she certainly did — that she had called down here and told them what Tommy had told her. And Teresa and I went and — over to that area and walked around all afternoon and looked in the woods over there. But of course, we didn`t find anything.
GRACE: Everyone, we are going to break…
SYKES: And then the next morning…
Teresa at one time was a dispatcher for a Sheriff’s Dept. None that are involved here. Ron was taken to PCSD. Misty and Tommy were originally taken to St. John’s County, I think, along with Hope and Donna Brock. Not sure why Ron was at PCSD. All jails have different telephone and visitation. Some are video and taped. Some are taped and contact.
Ohhhh I can not wait till this case moves and an arrest is made.
Karon; TY! We’re getting closer to the truth of the soap issue at least.
Sorry about long NG post but it contained so muc hinformation that we all ask about that I thought it pertinent.
texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:32 am
Recently it was revealed that the court date was Febuary 10th at 8 am.
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I’m not sure where that was “revealed”, but it is wrong.
The Motion for Contempt was filed on the 10th of February. According to Ron he was served the day before Haleigh went missing, and Crystal was probably served on the same day. The matter was listed for hearing on the 29th of March at 8:30am.
You can get all this info by going to the Putnam County online Court Record System under civil dockets…this is cut and pasted from the docket….
2009-02-10 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30
2009-02-20 057.NOTICE OF DISMISSAL
2009-03-17 058.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE – KIM PICAZIO FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD
2009-03-20 059.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE-T JERRY SNIDER FOR FATHER
2009-03-26 060.NOTICE OF PRODUCTION FROM NON-PARTY
2009-04-06 061.OBJECTION TO NOTICE OF PRODUCTION FROM NON-PARTY
2009-06-08 062.MEMO FROM FINANCE TO KIM PICAZIO: UNCOLLECTED FUNDS HOLD
2009-06-18 063.MEMO FROM FINANCE TO KIM PICAZIO: PAYMENT OF UNCOLLECTED
2009-06-18 FUNDS HOLD DUE TO IDENTIFY THEFT
I’m very interested in who was involved in the “identity theft” in relation to the money Kim sent them to cover the unpaid child support.
HGMOM
OMG LOMAO
Could you have given us a condensed version?
G’Ma Sykes stating she always did the children’s laundry. She didn’t like spots on them, as told to NG..If she was so concerned, wouldn’t she also want to wash Ron’s..If Misty didn’t do the laundry to her liking, wouldn’t she also want Ron’s laundry done “spotless”? What would a few more clothes matter..Her story is suspicious to me..I don’t doubt she did the children’s clothes. I am wondering if she was, in fact, at the MH at 7:30 on the eve of Haleigh’s disappearance.. IMO
Ok…New question….why was Haleigh’s shirt in the middle of the laundry when GGMS usually washes thier clothes? Were there other childrens clothes in the pile(s) of dirty laundry? Were there actually dirty laundry in dryer? Was the washer really running when LE arrived? Was there any soap or not? If the washer was running what was inside? What clothes were poked into the dryer. Could they have thought them still dirty due to being washed without soap?
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That has been questioned also. It was not brought up until a few days after HaLeigh was reported missing that AS had been there that night. Another HMMMMMM thing. IMO
2009-02-10 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30
So there was a court date on Feb 10….she was going to be charged with contempt….apparently they dropped that due to Haleigh’s dissappearance? There was activity on the case that day. That much is true. Also Ron speaks about it to Cobra….
“due to court the next day. How does that get pushed back? Not current child support, back child support”
HFM:
LOL. You went ahead and got us some of the interview. Didn’t you?
You know what stands out to me. It was chilly and dark out and the kids were supposed to be eating out on the porch. AS said in that interview that Misty helped the kids get their shirts on. Were thet sitting outside in the cold night air with no shirts on? Did Misty put the pink top on Haleigh at that time?
Great catch Hgmom. Why would HaLeighs shirt be in the laundry if AS does the childrens laundry?
HGMOM you are in agreement that there was a court hearing on febuary 10th?
Misty had washed bed linens or blankets without laundry detergent that night. There was dirty laundry around the washer and dryer in piles including the childrens clothes. That’s all I remember from NG’s tour with Teresa and the interview with Misty when they found the pink t-shirt.
Cobra wouldn’t answer about the washer, actually, running. He did say the washer and dryer were filled with dirty clothes.
Karon; true about it being strange they were shirtless, especially Haleigh at age 5. Sorry 2-3 maybe but more than 4 shouldn’t go shirtless, KWIM? Maybe so they wouldn’t soil their cothing and I can see GGMS making her put shirts on them because they needed them. I too wonder if the pink shirt was the one that was put on her. It would seem odd if it had been though. Wasn’t it said that it was her FAVORITE shirt and she wanted to wear it even dirty if allowed (which she wasn’t). Why put that one on her to go to bed? Unless she insisted (Haleigh) Maybe she wanted to wear her favorite shirt to bed. Is this the shirt that was the reason for the trip to Welatka or was there another favorite outfit? Do we even know what she wore to school that last day?
texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 am
Yes…I believe so…some type of court hearing of some kind. Maybe she didn’t show up due to Haleigh’s disappearance…maybe that’s why she was so late getting to Ron’s house….we don’t really know except that something legal went on that day….
stilllucy if she had no soap than we can conclude that she did not wash any items of intrest would you agree? PCSO decided to use the sheets for the blood hounds to get HaLeighs scent because they where dirty or she slept in the bed that night. I have to ask why use the sheets if they could of used anything else? It crosses my mind that it would be the only item that would of included the scent of the abductor. JMO
Karon;
Thank you for your responses. I do appreciate them.
On one of the radio programs, Cobra and T.J. and Simon were discussing why dirty clothes would have been put in the dryer. The only thing that anyone could come up with was to get them out of the way, or Misty may have done it to make Ron think she had been at home washing clothes, or they were cleaning up because LE was coming.
You are welcome. HGM.
Sorry I just touched it once.
TM39….Good point….possible.
I have wondered this….remember at first Misty said in bed with her….then later on mattress on the floor.
The sheets that are seen to be used by LE for dogs were large sheets, not the little one unless it is just out of camera range (possible)
Thus, if Haleigh hadn’t slept on large bed afterall, would there be enough of her scent on them? I’ve always been disturbed by how those crucial pieces of evidence were exposed like they were.
I now remember that…TY!
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 3:30 am texasmommy39 said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 am
Yes…I believe so…some type of court hearing of some kind. Maybe she didn’t show up due to Haleigh’s disappearance…maybe that’s why she was so late getting to Ron’s house….we don’t really know except that something legal went on that day….
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HGMOM
IMO they where to both appear in court that morning for the judge to determine their (Ron and Crystal) need for legal representation before the contempt of court hearing later that month.
HGMOM
You and I both know what would be in our hearts and on our mind the moment the phone rang at 3:49 am. and I can not for HaLeighs sake justify Crystals delay. I am sorry.
Didn’t Misty say in bed with her the first day? Then it changed?
HGM:
I remember one of AS interviews where a reporter asked her if Haleigh had the pink shirt on while she was there, and she said, no not at that time.
TM39…I know…I just happen to think of it…If she was due in court maybe she had to take care of that first…Fear about not showing and all. I’m not saying I know it to be true, just had it pop into my head.
I did come across a news report that specifically mentions family members going to PCSO for interviews and such…not at Ron’s.
Ronald and Misty both said in bed together right at first. There is an early NG interview where RC is saying they were sleeping in one bed. Then by the Greta Van Susteren interview, they were saying 4 ft apart.
Karon; Woo Hoo! Keep it up! Well, have this unraveled in no time!
SO not the shirt Misty put on Haleigh while GGMS was there….So why would Misty think it was that shirt? Would it have been put on her later? If so, why? Other one dirty or spilled on?
Karon said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 3:05 am Tommy’s attorney would like to get attention off of Tommy, I would think. I don’t think Tommy is a killer, however.
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Can I ask your theory re why Lindsy is suddenly divorcing him? Last we saw, they seemed lovey dovey (miss you, love you stuff) and a month later she’s filed for divorce.
It has me confused and wondering.
The Greta interview is on YouTube. It’s full of inconsistencies. Greta’s are the best. They pause at the inconsistencies and show you the flaws.
Ok…so if Misty/they tell LE she was alseep in big bed but she wasn’t and LE use sheets from big bed to track her, would there be enough scent from say a previous night or two for them to use without also tracking the people who actually slept in the big bed; Misty, Ron & Jr?
Was the small sheet also used?
Misty always claimed Haleigh slept on the small mattress. She has a 6th grade education and at the time of her interviews we did not know that and so her statements at the time seemed off but at this point I have to say she was not intentionaly misleading anyone and was telling the truth to the best of her ability to comunicate under stress and dealing with the abduction of HaLeigh.
If they claimed Haleigh in big bed when she wasn’t and LE used the sheets from big bed to track her…wouldn’t that make the tracking by dogs off or wrong?
HGmom they used the full size sheets from Haleigh’s mattress. Those where not queen size sheets.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 3:21 am 2009-02-10 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30
So there was a court date on Feb 10….she was going to be charged with contempt….apparently they dropped that due to Haleigh’s dissappearance? There was activity on the case that day. That much is true. Also Ron speaks about it to Cobra….
“due to court the next day. How does that get pushed back? Not current child support, back child support”
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No court date on the 10th…the Motion was filed on the 10th. The Court date was the 29th of March.
Totally off and confused
TM39;
Possible….but even if she just confused that night with another night totally by accident….it would still make it nearly impossible for the dogs to track Haleigh from the large sheets. Surely with the small mattress right there they took it as well.
I ment toddler sheets,sorry. IMO It looked like they used both the bottom and the top sheets.
Me:
It may be enough that he would be a part in disposing of Haleigh’s body and keeping all these lies to her and everyone else going all this time. She has, also, told Tommy that she is afraid she is going to lose her whole family(meaning her kids, also) over this. Now, she knows he is going away for a long time, and she has had enough. She has told him that this was his last chance. It is clear that she is ashamed.
I don’t think he is the killer, but he may have been there when it was done, but I am not sure.
texasmommy,
Haleigh was apparently wearing the pink shirt at some point that night…at least according to Misty…so perhaps she took it off and put it there or someone else took it off her and put it there.
Full sized sheets from Haleigh’s mattress? That’s a toddler bed? Why full sized sheets and FGS, how do you know that…LOL!
From the pictures I’ve seen of them strown about on the ramp, they look pretty big, although I can’t attest to their actual size.
Anybody see any sign of a small sheet? Or just a full sized wrapped around small mattress? Can we tell if the ones on the ramp are full, queen or otherwise?
me,
please explain to me how or why they (Ron and Crystal) would of been served papers to appear in court before the 10th if the hearing was not set till the 10th for March 29th?
Me:
Lyndsay was also upset that Tommy waited for her to go off on her trip and, then, took the LDT and failed. He didn’t tell her about it. LP and AH said she was mad!
Ok…sorry…I wondered about toddler bed…LOL!
Me; I’ve thought about that too. Maybe Tommy/Jo hid it there….maybe Haleigh put it there herself and changed into something different…..maybe Misty put it there….
GGMS says not wearing it when she was there…ok …obviously Haleigh wasn’t wearing it wherever she did go….so I’m now wondering why Misty felt so certain she was wearing it that night. She could have been but it is sort of odd it was found still in MH…
Lindsey picked herself up above all this crappy drug party lifestyle. She just finished school. Worked hard and her husband dragged her and her kids into this mess. She finally saw this Croslin bunch for what they are. Something must have happened when she went to see Timmy and Chelsea. They must have clued her into something maybe that she didn’t know. Tommy has been lying to her so much. I think she is just done. Good for her. I hope she changes her kids name along with her name so they don’t have to carry that burden.
Simon makes some excellent points but I believe the scenario is far worse than most imagine. IMO, something BIG is being covered up here, much more than just an ‘accidental’ overdose, or a “I didn’t mean to hit her that hard”. Attempts to cover up those kinds of issues might come out lame, nonetheless 911 would have been called and the child taken to ER, including after she had been found dead.
There are bigger reasons so many people are lying. They wouldn’t ALL carry their lies this far if there hadn’t been something major that had to be concealed. Think: The trailer was swept clean before 911 was called. Cleared of WHAT? Evidence of drugs, guns, prostitution, porn, kiddie porn? Is there more? Was Haliegh disposed of to hide her sexual abuse and violent death? But where are the hard drives, the video equipment, the guns, the dope? Buried in a hole with her, or someplace else?
No, my imagination is not running wild. Druggies/dealers have no bounderies. Any/all kinds of illegal acts go hand in hand with them. They need money. Dope costs a LOT of money, often. Ronald Cummunigs is violent, abusive, is a bully, a dope dealer, is sociopathic and a pathological liar. He is the master of his universe, the kingpin; IMO, HE is the mastermind of this entire cover up. Everyone else is covering for HIM and to protect their own butts; the big question is WHY? God only knows WHO all might have been involved in his illegal activities. I would look higher up as well as in the trenches. He was playing a dangerous game, it wasn’t about loving his kids, it was all about HIM. I hope somebody finally spills their guts and let the chips fall where they may. Please.
Karon;
If you ask me Lindsy has taken more BS from him then I would have and I am not surprised at her divorce action. I am curious as to what exactly caused the “change of heart”. The failed LDT would be a biggie, keeping LDT secret is another, but saying he knows for sure Haleigh was murdered and by who (His own lawyers statement) and kept it secret for all this time….it was just too much for her….and rightly so.
If sex abuse plays any part in this she would have to divorce him. If he allowed harm to Haleigh or caused any…that would be reason for Lindsy to take that action. IMO.
tm39,
I’m guessing that the matter was only given the Court date after it was confirmed both parties were served, or that was the date of entry on the computer. But we do know it was listed to be heard on the 29th of March. And we know Ron received the notice of the court date the day before.
This is how the docket reads….
2008-06-16 055.DOR INTERCEPT IN THE AMOUNT OF $48.00 ON 06/16/08
2009-02-10 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30
2009-02-20 057.NOTICE OF DISMISSAL
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So, it looks like the 10th was either the day that it was given the Hearing date, or the day it was entered into the computer. But the Hearing date was supposed to be the 29th of March.
Anne, Do you follow Pat Brown, the Criminal Profiler? That is basically her scenario. I tend to lean that way on this case too. Ron Cummings is a classic. IMO
Misty stated she helped HaLeigh and Jr into their night clothes. Misty would not claim that it was the last thing she saw HaLeigh wearing if she knew it was at the back door in the dirty clothes, IMO.
I am reminded that HaLeigh was particular about what she wanted to wear and would think it was something Misty could remember if it was a habit of HaLeighs.
I am of the opinion that no stranger or Sex offender would change a child clothes at the crime scene or remove them and take the child naked from the home. It would suggest someone that HaLeigh knew very well IMO and the fact that the small child’s foot print was found and noted by LE does suggest even further that Haleigh knew who she was leaving with and she was alive. JMO
HGM:
Yes, and Tommy keeps hitting Lyndsay up for money for himself and his family, telling her to ask her family for it. He has been a pain, that’s for sure.
Me I may be stupid, lol, but, the day before Haleigh was abducted was Sunday.
Anne of Port Charlotte;
I agree with your estimation of Ron…not popular but I do.
The porn angle….I dare not
However, I have always found it particlularily odd that J & P Ramsey had an 8mm projector screen over their marital bed. They said for watching home movies, they would all pile into the big bed and watch them ….only there was not 1 8mm film to be found in the entire house…..Not even family movies??? So what movies did they really watch on 8mm????
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 am Ok…sorry…I wondered about toddler bed…LOL!
Me; I’ve thought about that too. Maybe Tommy/Jo hid it there….maybe Haleigh put it there herself and changed into something different…..maybe Misty put it there….
GGMS says not wearing it when she was there…ok …obviously Haleigh wasn’t wearing it wherever she did go….so I’m now wondering why Misty felt so certain she was wearing it that night. She could have been but it is sort of odd it was found still in MH…
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The perp MAY have figured an Amber Alert would be issued and it would describe Haleigh in the last clothes she was seen wearing…so he got rid of them so she wouldn’t be as easily identifiable. Just a possibility.
tm39…true that footprint would show her as concious and walking….LE did say that they were concerned that it was made prior to her abduction. Couldn’t say for sure happened that night. It does sound like a good possibility since dogs also tracked in that direction.
I have felt she was taken by water from that location…due to those dogs and that footprint.
Snne:
You mentioned alot of things that could have been cleaned out. Maybe some of that stuff, is what LE found when Tommy went to the river with them.
me: very true…perp could have done so…Do you think they would have taken her shirtless or was a shirt chnage involved? I’m wondering how much expediency played a part. Did they rush? Did they have to?
TM39…
LOL. I know I read in some of the early news articles something about Ron having just been served with the papers when she went missing. It was reported in the days right after Haleigh went missing, when the press first discoverd the child support issue was before the courts. Maybe he was served on the Friday? I don’t remember the exact words. You want me to try to find a link?
I think Lindsay’s divorcing Tommy is simply because she didn’t want to spend twenty five years, or even three, as a prisoner’s wife, raising their children alone. IMO she wants to get on with her life, and career..There could be more serious reasons, but at this point I think she just wants to be away from the Croslin clan, and make a new life for herself.
IMO
Karon; Very valid point….Possible to just look for evidence to validate his claims…of course search for Haleigh also, due to JO association to location.
Or was that the evidence found at the mondex? LE claimed evidence found but refused to say what it was.
Tonight started out rocky, but it got better. Maybe, we will all get some news on Monday. To me, this divorce is big news. Something is going down. I do think Tommy is crushed by it, so maybe, he will give up the rest of what he knows.
Good nite everybody.
Very possible Mary…just over it…
Good night Karon…I think I’m going for tonight too. Glad I stuck it out.
Night all…hopefully answers will be forthcomming soon..
I thought that Ron was suing Crystal for non support? He wouldn’t have been served, she would have. His attorney would have filed against her.
http://forms.lp.findlaw.com/form/courtforms/state/me/me000040.pdf
This was helpful in understanding the motion for contempt filed on the 10th. You are correct Me they where not to appear in court that morning. The motion of contempt had met its requirements and was filed. Interesting thing is that the Subpoena for Hearing on Motion for
Contempt had to be delivered 10 days before the court date set.
Also it would be served by the Sheriffs office. Would it not be possible they where served the week before on say Thursday or Friday and it was a key point in Ron and Misty’s fight.
It would make a whole lot more sense for Misty’s behavior that weekend if she was jealous of Crystal and felt she had a reason to be.
G’night all.. Let’s hope we hear from LE soon, with some resolution to this case..
Rest in peace, dear Haleigh.
stilllucy said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 4:25 am I thought that Ron was suing Crystal for non support? He wouldn’t have been served, she would have. His attorney would have filed against her.
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Ron was not sueing Crystal the Attorney Generals office was enforcing a court order. After so long and $ behind they go after the money owed not in the intrest of either parent, but, the states. I am sure HaLeigh was recieving SSI and benifits such as medicaid. The Goverment is first my dear to be paid back if they have given anything away due to the non payment of child support.
Someone help me understand how they can hold monies paid on Crystal owed child support by someone else because of identity fraud.
Wheren’t those payments made over a period of time and in different amounts?
Another thought I just had, was Tommy’s own attorney said he knows what happened, but he didn’t do it. And now his previously defensive, over-protective and loyal loving wife suddenly files for divorce. I am thinking she was unaware he knew anything. I wonder when his story will come out? His attorney said they did tell LE and I believe the attorney was the tip that started the recent search, to get them talking, they should put a pill on the table, I bet in ten min, they would talk for it. Is there a site with a timeline out there that includes everyones verified whereabouts the day of and week of? What has Crystal been up to? I don’t blame her for getting out of the media. This web is so tangled, it will take forever to untangle it, with all the illegal and horrible stuff going on with everyone. I bet they will get it though. When is the next court hearing and are there any items being released as per the sunshine laws and media requests? Thank you
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 4:14 am tm39…true that footprint would show her as concious and walking….LE did say that they were concerned that it was made prior to her abduction. Couldn’t say for sure happened that night. It does sound like a good possibility since dogs also tracked in that direction.
I have felt she was taken by water from that location…due to those dogs and that footprint.
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So Have I and Shell Harbour was on my possible locations for exit and entrance onto St. Johns River that would be close to HaLeighs home.
I am of the opinion as well that a local was a credible eyewitness to something being dumped in the river. I believe it was recent too, the door to door activity was also very different than any other search aside th first few days when every neighbors home was searched near HaLegh.
I am the only one it seems that believes a grey van is a clue that was not revealed by LE but by the neighbors being questioned. I imagine Our suspects are not behind bars if they are driving around in a grey van dumping suspicious items in the St.Johns River. IDK I still think we are missing alot that went on and was not said.LOL
IT has been awful quiet with the families this week and with LE.
HollysGmom said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 4:16 am me: very true…perp could have done so…Do you think they would have taken her shirtless or was a shirt chnage involved? I’m wondering how much expediency played a part. Did they rush? Did they have to?
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Assuming she was alive when she left the home, I would think a perp would want her to have a shirt on.
Haleigh was also old enough to do it herself and perhaps changed clothes herself after Misty fell asleep.
Or perhaps Misty went out, had left Haleigh in a pink shirt, and when she returned Haleigh was gone and she assumed she was still in the pink shirt.
Or perhaps Misty made a mistake. Or perhaps she lied.
Damn.
At this rate, we’re NEVER going to get back over to the Palatka mondex are we?
Simone I had no idea you could outwit AH and LP. Of all the blogs written by dirty dogs in the last 15 months, this is the crown jewel.
Would one have to actually be a journalist b/f commiting journalistic suicide.
Congratulations! You are now entered in blogger porn sweepstakes. May the sleeziest one win.
I have more respect for that dirtball Ronald Cummings than you. I hope Jan still tickles your pickle. Flo tole me Misty won’t touch you for all the pills in Broward Co.
From First Coast News Article of Feb. 25/09…
A motion was filed by the state’s Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings’ behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared.
A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.
I think you said it better than anyone ever could “Ronfan”…you are right that he IS the only one who has NOT BEEN CAUGHT in lies in deception…you say “he hasnt been caught yet”. What that sentence means is you think he does lie but hasn’t been caught. You did not say ole Ronnie Boy was innocent of lying, you just admit he hasn’t been caught. Very interesting words for a so-called “Ron Fan”.
ronfan said,in May 1st, 2010 at 4:34 pm Can’t even read this anymore…..Ronald would NEVER EVER do anything to harm his children.
***********So far, isn’t he the *************
ONLY PERSON WHO
has not been caught in lies and deception? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep
Nothing has proven Haleigh is dead or alive but don’t you think if Haleigh was alive there would be no need for the mcoys and hatfields to be lying through their teeth. If Haleigh was alive the key players would be facing far lesser charges then MURDER. People lie to cover the truth most times because the truth is ugly and not because they are protecting the child. If the truth is that Haleigh is alive nobody would allow them selves to lie this long fist off let alone be framed or cover for someone that would lead to their incarceration for the rest of their lives.
As far as speculating on the case. The whole case is one big speculation due to the inconsistencies and lies. Does that mean we should just not talk about it? Does that help bring haleigh home. NO!
We blog about possibilities and theories because the TRUTH has not surfaced. Any theory can be right and everyone is entitled to theirs. To say blogging about or starting “rumours” of sexual abuse is disrepecting Haleigh and those who do don’t care about her is ridiculous. I have never once seen any poster or theory that comes close to that. Disrespecting Haleigh would be to say what happened to haleigh was her fault. I don’t see anything but love for haleigh everywhere except within her own family.
Ronald is in jail for “fact not rumour” selling rx drugs to cops with the “girl” that has lied over and over about what happened to his daughter. She even admitted it on their little appearance on the Today show in New York when they were celebrating their union.
Misty – ” why does your story keep changing?”
her answer as she pauses and looks to Ron for direction…” I DON’T KNOW…..”
IMO: They both know….
A couple of things struck me since I was last here. One, this is an opinion post just like everyone else that comments here. Simon has more info than most of us but still, this is his opinion. As most of you wish to comment here without being attacked, I suggest you offer the Author and OWNER of this blog the same courtesy. As for the DNA on Ron, the only thing that would make it a concern is if her DNA was found on his naked body, anything else is innocent. My daughters come in my room in the morning sometimes I am still in my boxers and say good morning, get a hug, and off they go. So that to me is a non issue.
Ron would never do anything to hurt his children? He BEAT and abused the mothers of his babies before they were ever born; three mothers, all teenage girls, and four babies. The last one (after Crystal and before Misty) you don’t hear much about, that child has both physical and mental disabilities; The first one (before Crystal?) never wants to hear from him again, child support or not. Abuse before birth is not child abuse, eh? Feeding dope to a pregnant mother is not also child abuse? What, are you crazy? Misty too was abused by him, when she could have been pregant.
Excuses for Ron? There aren’t any. What do you think he was doing by selling dope, by bringing the criminal element around his children, by having a little sixteen year old teenager baby sitting and ON DOPE and in his bed in FRONT of his children? Which, Misty WAS merely sixteen when she came to bed down with him in front of his kids. And HIM doing dope there with her! And you think these things aren’t child abuse? Those who defend him, makes me wonder how you treat your OWN kids.
Someone asked if I have read Pat Brown, Criminal Profiler; yes I have, hers’ as well as other professional opinions. Also, Simon and Levi Page, et.al. who have researched their opinions among other professionals. Leonard Padilla isn’t stupid either. These are the ones that hold more credence than those sitting here white washing the known criminal Ronald Cummings and all his lying friends and relatives.
Nope, I don’t know it all, who does? I am a former probation officer who has seen the dope addicted seedy side of life, to my great sorrow. It’s not pretty out there amongst the lying, theiving, filthy dope heads and what they do and allow to be done to their little children, all for dope, and it doesn’t even have to be that much dope. It’s beyond pathetic and heartbreaking. Repeat; they have no bounderies.
JUST SAD!
DELETED everything else. I just cannot believe this crap has been allowed . I am not on a side, I dislike ALL the family on all 3 sides, they failed HALEIGH!
JUSTICE needs to come now for HALEIGH!
WEll, I guess people have jumped smack into this one… I have read things that I have heard about, and things I haven’t.. new revelations.. From Simon, the info from DCF and the School Officials.. never been released before…. Brand new info folks..
I had first heard the story of Wayanne when she went public.. I heard the info on JG way last Spring, and then heard about it again in the Fall of this past year..
Now to have obtained the info from DCF and the School, would have required a legal document to obtain this info.. Especially DCF, they don’t release anything without a court order!!!
So, lets sum this up real fast.. what was there to cover up..
Drug Usage
Possible Sexual Abuse
Possible Physical Abuse
Which lead to a Missing 5 year old.
Anyone of those three elements could have resulted in the death of a child.. But, I want you all to remember on little factor of CSI work on a crime scene where a person has died..
One thing is a guarentee.. If Haleigh died in her bed on that floor, on that mattress.. The Blanket, sheet, mattress, and carpet would have had fresh urine, all that Haleigh’s lifeless body would have contained.. Death = No muscle control.. Would PCSO already know this, of course, and they have told you.. there was no evidence found in that house.. The presence of Urine would have been evidence of a crime scene.. So, Od = Death = Urine… Not going to have one without the other, and on the od, Haleigh quite possible should have been vomiting, and she didn’t…
Check out the new tapes of Tommy!
beautifula,
What new tapes and where? Thx
New article here.
How do some of you get anything else done at all? Seriously, you are up all night arguing on a blog with others about something most of us know nothing about. We weren’t there!
This used to be a nice place to be. The past couple times I’ve been on, it’s been a constant back and forth bickering BS session.
If I didn’t know better, I would think it was high school.
It’s one thing to discuss a matter, but to insinuate things like some have is just wrong.
I can’t imagine being Haleigh’s family and reading some of these comments. You are not detectives, so you don’t know anything.
I knew the media could taint a case by giving false information, but I never thought in my wildest dreams that bloggers could have an affect on a case one way or the other. Well, I could be proven wrong here. The lengths that some of you would go to, contacting the family, etc.
I can’t believe this blog has come to this.
I’ve seen new people come in recently and be downright rude to some here for no reason at all.
I think it’s safe to say I’m moving on.
I’ll miss some of you here, but I’m not going to waste my time listening to this. I think you’ve lost a few of your older bloggers.
Pray for Haleigh
I’m thinking………..mostly fiction. Until this case is solved, it is just another opinion.
If Granny does the kids laundry then why didn’t granny sykes take Haleigh’s peepee blanket with her to wash? She didn’t like stains or smells, so what gives? Why didn’t she take any of the kids dirty laundry while she was there?
stilllucy said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 4:25 am
I thought that Ron was suing Crystal for non support? He wouldn’t have been served, she would have. His attorney would have filed against her
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Ron wasn’t suing Crystal for non support that was the state of FL, the Dept. of Revenue. They filled the contempt charges with the court.
mlee:
Misty told us there was urine in the bed linen and mattress herself, remember? That’s why she stuck them in the washer with no laundry detergent and washed them. Maybe she watches CSI,too.
All I can is I’m disappointed in this piece of fiction that was put out, no wonder PCSO didn’t want to have a thing to do with it. Seems BNN has “jumped the shark”..very sad.
So what kind of aid was Ron receiving from the state and why would Crystal be arguing with Ron about it if it was the state taking her to court and not him? What was the rift between Misty and Ron about this issue?
Karon said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 3:40 am Ronald and Misty both said in bed together right at first. There is an early NG interview where RC is saying they were sleeping in one bed. Then by the Greta Van Susteren interview, they were saying 4 ft apart.
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Karon you are spot on, Ron and Misty stated that both Jr and HaLeigh were in the same bed as she was, Ron stated it twice, once on NG and on GVS-then when NG asked Ron why the confusion over who slept where that night when it was revealed the Haleigh was in the toddler bed, Ron said I don’t know………hello dude you stated it twice yourself, too bad Nancy has such a hard on for Ron she didn’t bother to tell him that this statement of all 3 in the same bed came for his own mouth.
I also have aproblem with the kids eating out on the porch that night as it was too cold. Most people who don’t live in FL don’t seem to understand that here we are not ussed to cold weather and anything below 67 is cold when you aren’t in the sun. My teenagers are bundled up in jeans and hoodies when the temps drop at night, it is very cold to Floridians and add to that the fact these are small children with almost no body fat to keep them warm. I rememeber that night well and it was way to cold for my teens to be outside eating much less two small children. That’s a crock and if AS did actually see them ont he porch eatin and didn’t make sure they were moved inside, well I have to wonder about her too as Misty is obviously stupid, but AS should have known better than to let those kids stay out instead of telling Misty it’s way to cold to be outside and she should have stepped in and moved those kids indoors to eat. More BS that makes no sense
Intelligent blog at last!
Oh my heavens I feel so lucky to have found this blog.
Thank you, thank you, so much of what Simon said, and what so many of you are saying are exactly my thoughts on this matter.
Ronald Cummings – he is the one with the most extensive criminal history, albeit he has never spent any time as consequences for his criminal behavior. Most people would have been put away for life had they been charged with even half his crimes is my opinion.
Sex offender – Under Florida Statute 794.05 one being over the age of 24 engaging in sexual activity with a minor, including a sixteen year old, had committed a felony punishable by not more than 15 years.
Ronald’s dob is 10/29/83 and on 2/10/09, Misty had just turned 17 – she had lived with Ronald for approximately four months prior to her seventeenth birthday. So why is he able to circumvent this law as well as all the drug laws on the books for his possession (cocaine and marijuana)and in amounts that exceed personal use;
charges of maintaining a drug vehicle; charges of possession of drug paraphernalia; charges of using a firearms on two occasions; charges leaving the scene of two accidents with injuries;
charges of tresspassing; charges of domestic abuse, including a restraining order which was retracted?
Also charged with the date drug, GAB, as it, too, apparently was found in his possession.
What is Ronald Cummings doing walking around as a free man? Why does he have custody of these two children that his sperm bore?
What about the other child with Amber? Does he provide for that child?
Did he want these two children because they were receiving disability checks?
Haleigh missed an extended number of days from school with unexcused absences.
Ronald was headed for a Court Hearing scheduled for February 10, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. and it involved custodial issues has been stated – is this true?
Ronald was behind a couple of months on his rent, hence the tent and his claim to never return to his rented trailer – was that for real, or, was it to avoid paying back rent?
If Ronald had no money for rent, then how could he have had money to pay the fine due on the 10th of February at the Court Hearing? Was he facing jail time if he couldn’t come up with bond or the fine?
Haleigh being picked up from school. Simon is right on.
Theresa Cummings picked Haleigh up from school so she said.
Misty picked Haleigh up from school so it is said by neighbors.
Ronald Cummings picked Haleigh up from the bus stop with, yes, Simon, an elaborate story of the ‘kind father’.
I feel that this all needs to start with Haleigh being picked up from school as that is the last time she was seen alive.
Then we go on to Sykes seeing them eating supper at 7:00 or 7:30 on the 9th of Feb. It was in the mid-fifties that night, it is winter, it is dark, and it was only a screened porch according to Sykes. Haleigh was susceptible to cold. By court order she could not miss another day of school.
In my opinion, Sykes is lying.
Why was Sykes there – did something happen to Haleigh?
Did Ronald call Sykes to go over and see if she could help with Haleigh?
Did Ronald leave his work that night? He, apparently, was working on the North 40 unloading a barge. It is said he made 90 phone calls. If so, who did he call? It is said he made 20 phone calls to Misty but only two pings came off the cell tower close to PDM Bridge – if so, where did the other calls hit?
The behavior of Ronald following Haleigh’s disappearance – the next weekend, Ronald and Misty, both intoxicated, attended the county fair without Junior. Odd behavior, in my opinion, for someone who just lost one of his children.
Three weeks later engaged, and a month later, honeymooning in NYC and appearing on the Today’s Show. He states on the show that his marriage was his own personal business.
At the very same moment in time, 100 volunteers were doing a ground search along US 17, from Buffalo Bluff to Paradise Shores north of Cresent City. How detached from the reality of the situation Ronald appeared to be on that show.
Was he covering his own behind – by marrying Misty to be sure she wouldn’t talk. He knew she loved him and by giving her what she wanted, marriage, it might provide a way to keep her quiet.
And, the divorce. Were they ever truly physically separated or was that merely a piece of paper to take the focus off of him and his family?
Ronald’s career had revolved around drugs and the arrest in January ’10 was routine for him it appears. So, why and how can he suddenly try to make it appear it was out of his character and he was only trying to keep tight with Misty?
Oh, and one more thing – Texas EquSearch. Unfortunately, Tim Miller told Ronald they were planting a mole with Misty in hope of Misty confiding in her – WHY DID RONALD TELL MISTY NOT TO SAY ANYTHING TO THIS WOMAN? How odd – or revealing was that?
This is the very last – I promise -
Ronald’s rented trailer is 26 or 27 mins from work. He left it is said at 3 pm. He clocked in at 5 pm. It is said he got there fifteen minutes early at 4:45 pm but for some strange reason didn’t clock in.
Where was he from 3 pm until 4:45 pm on Feb 9, 2009?
On his way to work he passed the Memorial Bridge, which, he apparently stated was a great place to dump a body, and he also passed the boat slip on St. Johns River so actively searched in the later part of April.
Was Ronald Cummings car impounded and searched for any kind of trace evidence? And, if not, why not?
Who is protecting this man and why?
Is everyone, other than the Croslins, scared to death of this out of control criminal who never seems to have consequences for any of his reported illegal behavior?
Ann
moving the kids in or out is neither here nor there. Wouldn’t of changed the course of events but point taken, the children should have been inside where it was warm. It does point to lack of attention and care and neglect to allow them to eat on a cold porch. Just babies! So it does show poor judgment which was what led to the nights events. MISTY IS TOO SELFISH, IMMATURE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE ELSES’ CHILDREN. HER DRUGS CAME FIRST. HALEIGH CAME LAST! STILL DOES…
Not sure where to begin at but here it goes, I’m a newbie here. I have been reading and the radio show also. My husband and I are foster parnet in another state and here is a few things we have found out.
When you see parnets selling or doing drugs its because that is all they know to do. To them it is not being a bad parnet because that is how they have been raised. They dont clean house because no one ever taught them how to clean. Eating outside is ok to them because that is what they grew up doing, cold weather or warm. Also, they house more or less always smelled like urine, because that is how they grew up.
There is a lot more but now I hope some can see how the other side lives. We would not live that way but trust me there are a lot of people who do.
Oops sorry my first post and didnt look at the missed spelled words. Parent
I know how to spell but my fingers are faster than my brain somethings so sorry.
Ann:
THANK YOU!!!!!!!Finally
Very good post, Foster Parent. You are absolutely correct in that what is normal for some people is not at all normal for others. We can’t always judge people within our own context because it can’t relate. It was at least 62° outside at 7 pm that night and would have been warmer on a south facing enclosed porch, certainly warm enough for active children to sit down and eat.
I am in a professional position were if programs are not utilized by parents, families, or care givers, I will take action to have children those children or protected adults placed in appropriate care facilities. There is help out there available.
DCF was involved in this case. Ron has said that himself. From the minute he was awarded custody with all of the accusations, I would have ordered monthly drug tests at the very least. HaLeigh should not have been kept in this environment. IMO
Ann at 12:32pm: Really? Did you go to his public criminal records?
stilllucy said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm I am in a professional position were if programs are not utilized by parents, families, or care givers, I will take action to have children those children or protected adults placed in appropriate care facilities. There is help out there available.
DCF was involved in this case. Ron has said that himself. From the minute he was awarded custody with all of the accusations, I would have ordered monthly drug tests at the very least. HaLeigh should not have been kept in this environment. IMO
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ITA, the kids should have never been in that cess pool but we know how often DCF fails these innocent kids and not just in Florida but everywhere. Just the fact DCF had to explain to Ron how he could/couldn’t discipline his kids was a light bulb moment and went right along with his constant stmts that she WAS the best behaved child he ever had. Odd, I don’t think I’d be worried about my child’s behavoir when she was missing, not to mention his use of her in the past tense from the very beginning.
I agree with you stilllucy – without proper and monthly monitoring those children should never have been left with Ronald.
However, from what I understand Ronald’s drug history was kept from the judge and he also stated in his petition that his sister would be able to look after the children while he was at work. I don’t know if she has a criminal record, or, if she did, if in fact that, too, was withheld from the judge awarding custody.
Perhaps if more diligence could be done in these child custody cases rather than relying on petitioners being truthful even under oath, than children would not be placed in such dangeous environments.
Alligo – the mean temperature was 56 deg F
the max temperature was 71 deg.F
the min. temperature was 41 deg.F
the actual temperature at 7:00 to 7:30 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009 was 61 deg. F., your memory is correct.
However, the Dew Point was 52 deg. F.
In order to get the temperature as to ‘what it felt like’ get the mean temperature, which is 56.1 deg. F. at 7:00 to 7:30 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009.
Sunset was at 6:09 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009.
Ann
No, you are wrong. It was NOT warm enough for children or anyone else to be eating outside in Satsuma on February 9th. And there they sat out there eating a can of chef boyardee Misty had opened, and without shirts on. I don’t doubt that AS might do their laundry sometimes, but dropped it off that particular night at that time? I doubt it. That was all an alibi for Misty and Haliegh’s whereabouts. AS and TN have done nothing but sing Misty’s praises and provide excuses for her and that’s not normal. They’ve helped her cover for Ron.
Stepparent. Your post sucks. There is NO excuse for the way any drug addict lives. They ruin the lives of everyone else around them. They have the same opportunities everyone else in life has. No excuse. They lie, con and steal anything that isn’t nailed down, all for dope. They destroy and take everything away from everyone else who does try to make it in life, anything they can con. Their children live pitiful lives. They are dirtbags.
Ann, your post from 12:32 pm makes some excellent points. It all adds up to there are ‘hidden’ reasons Ronald Cummings has gotten away with all he has done in the past and is still getting away with it. I believe it goes higher up, possibly into LE. Why not? Why exactly is he always protected? What EXACTLY is he hiding, and WHO/WHAT is he and everyone around him covering up? There are too many people protecting him and his illegal activities no matter what he does. IMO, I believe it includes more than just drugs. Something/someone far more sinister.
ronfan – yes, you are correct it is public records – just go to Putnam County public records and type in cummings%, scroll down to Ronald Lemyles Cummings, and voila!
Anne – yes, indeed, makes one wonder doesn’t it!
Does Ronald Cummings have something on some higher-ups in Putnam County? Don’t know, just seems odd that so many charges go without consequences. Have plenty of questions and very few answers.
My understanding is this is actually the first time Ronald has spent behind bars despite all his charges.
Heard Padilla’s and Grace’s efforts to get him out on bond were put on the back burner by a high ranking LE official at the time of the latest St. Johns River search.
It is said that Grace has even given her personal cell to Ronald.
This guy must have something which is not obvious to me as an average viewer.
Also always wonder about that ‘boil’ on the back of his neck at the outset of all this – seems if one has a tendency toward boils there might be more in the year following? Don’t know, and I guess that is what makes this case a real challenge.
Ann
It’s kind of ironic in a way. There are millions of poor people in this country. Who knows how many on drugs that aren’t good caretakers. If we were to put all of them in jail and or take all of their kids into foster care, what do you think the complaining taxpayers would be paying or saying? It’s easy to complain on one aspect of what government agencies should do and on the other hand complain that our taxes are too high. Than you add those that don’t believe in abortion and where does that leave us? I think it’s easy to look at one family and say shoulda, woulda, coulda; but, we may be over looking the abundance of this problem. Do I think Ronald was a bad parent? Drugs = yes
Drug dealing = yes. But, if you compare him to the way millions of others are living, he had a nice home (3 bedrooms, 2 baths). Kitchen washer, dryer, and he worked. So, I think some of what we are saying is relative. This is one of my opinions…so there ya go.
WEll ..They may have grew up like that and they may have not. They both look like they pay enough attention to their personal hygiene to care..That trailer sure was sparkling clean for the tour though wasn’t it!
Selling drugs isn’t all they know either. Ronald had a job. He is capable but too lazy or stupid to get a legit job. Getting caught up on the money you can make selling rx doesn’t mean it’s all you know..it means I can make 10 times the money in 10 times less time like this..
They know it’s wrong, but they do it anyway. Growing up like “that” is not an excuse. Neither is a dirt hole for a trailer, which they didn’t have by the looks of things. It was clean, or perhaps it was cleaned because they knew enough to do it cause the cameras were coming and they have something to hide.
Just a couple of more thoughts and I will leave you all in peace.
When Ronald was told to start planning for a funeral – was that merely to get his reaction?
Was his reaction ‘disappointing’ in Misty, rather than having to be restrained because he was so enraged he wanted to kill her, the reaction they thought they would get from Ronald? A coded message of disappointment that she said anything at all?
And, that day he asked to go into general population – was that to put more fear in Tommy (remember the beheaded rat in Tommy’s mailbox last summer) not to ‘rat’ out anything further?
Strange request the day you hear your daughter is presumed dead by LE unless you need to put more pressure on someone not to say more, my opinion only.
The a/c man that was supposed to have been at the rented trailer during the evening of 2/9/09; If Ronald were back in his rent, he obviously could not pay for a/c repair in the middle of February, nor would it be feasible for a landlord who had a tenant not up to date with rent to provide such service, so what is the true story of this a/c man? Does he even exist?
Cider blocks –
Misty states the last time she say Haleigh was at ten o’clock when Misty went to bed.
The trailer is located in what is considered a rural area – very dark at night.
Who, except someone familar with the grounds, would be able to find cider blocks? They wouldn’t want to be seen with a flashlight beaming through the yard, I wouldn’t imagine.
And if cider blocks were plentiful on the lot, then why would Ronald Cummings never have seen any as he stated (again, too much information). He was at home every day until his afternoon shift, did he never go outside?
If Ronald were working at the back 49 of PDM that night, his final night of work, was any supervisor with him? If Ronald made those 90 calls wouldn’t the supervisor notice if a supervisor were with him?
Ann
IMO it’s a choice Ronald made, to sell the drugs..he didn’t have to..he wanted to! With the retard that doesn’t know what happened..give me a break! Another bad choice. Perhaps this time with his drug charges..he’ll be off the streets, not selling drugs to kids on the corner.
Big tough guy! It’s about time he’s where he is. Ronald made a fatal bad choice that can never be mended, fixed or replaced. That is NOT a father that cared or worried about his kids.
Ann – very good questions. I also wondered about Ron not knowing if he had cinders in his yard. Yard is not that big. He had two little kids you would think he would know was in the yard his children played in.
Also, coincidence that misty went to bed at 10pm
Tommy went over at 10pm…now tommy says he wasn’t there…and people are blastin people for trying to come up with the truth by bloggin their own theories. Well if these people wouldn’t lie so much and cover up the truth about haleigh nobody would have to SPECULATE!
So which statement is a lie. Was Tommmy there or NOT?
Ann…. My thoughts on Nancy Grace, she has impeded and undermined the investigation. She has done nothing but overlook his cleverness and spin half truths about him, helping him to hide his lies. She has withheld facts about him from the public viewing audience. Yes, she did give Ronald her personal phone # last year and told him she would help him get an attorney. Ronald had her on his speed dial and was overheard having these phone conversations with “Miss Nancy” by credible witnesses. She ought to be fired, at the least placed on extended leave. I hope in the end she is made to look like the fool she has been.
As for Padilla, he is not a stupid man. I can’t imagine why he would be trying to bail Ron out of jail; I was hoping it would be to set him up so he could learn more about Ron’s devious illegal activities. Surely he has been able to determine by now that Ron is the #1 mastermind in Haliegh’s disappearance. I would be very disappointed if he too has been taken in by Ron’s innocent acts and lies. I understand Ron turned down LP’s offer to post bail, not sure I heard the whole truth.
BTW, have you been able to download Simon’s BNN radio program this afternoon? I wasn’t.
C~A said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm Ann – very good questions. I also wondered about Ron not knowing if he had cinders in his yard. Yard is not that big. He had two little kids you would think he would know was in the yard his children played in.
Also, coincidence that misty went to bed at 10pm
Tommy went over at 10pm…now tommy says he wasn’t there…and people are blastin people for trying to come up with the truth by bloggin their own theories. Well if these people wouldn’t lie so much and cover up the truth about haleigh nobody would have to SPECULATE!
So which statement is a lie. Was Tommmy there or NOT?
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This is the transcript about the cinder block…….in other words he knew they were there, not a doubt in my mind after hearing/reading his answer-frankly it’s comical:
GRACE: Do you know where the cinderblock came from that was propping the door open?
CUMMINGS: Don`t have a clue. I don`t mess with none of that, so I don`t know. I very rarely am in the back yard at all unless I`m washing mycar. So it could have came from around my shed. I`m renting. I don`t know if the previous renters had it or what, but I`ve never seen it, I don`t believe.
GRACE: So to your knowledge, you`ve never seen it.
CUMMINGS: Not that I believe. I mean, I may be mistaken and have seen it before, but I know it wasn`t where it`s at now.
I’ve moved many times..anyone who moves checks the place inside and out especially when you have kids. I DON’T MESS WITH THAT? What’s that supposed to mean anyway? I don’t mess with what in the yard that my babies play in?
Ronald is hiding! He is very very vague and unbelievable ..
Yah, not that I believe..WHATEVER R.L.(short) Cummings..
From what I’ve heard from people living in FL, Ron was treated no differently than many other similar people who have committed several petty crimes. FL has been soft in this area and is just starting to crack down on people. I highly doubt that Ron had any special pull.
I see posters who have suspicions about every little thing that the players in this case have said or done. If you have a preconceived opinion, it’s easy to look at everything and see something evil or supportive of criminal activity. I agree that all these people have lied, so this puts them in a very negative light. But it’s just as easy to explain many of these things as innocent comments or actions.
There were so many vicious rumors spread about many of these players in the beginning of this case, for various reasons, (and still are) that it’s smartest to take it all with a large amount of salt. Anything that is expressed as hyperbole is probably wrong. For example, for being described as having an uncontrollable temper, Ron has been remarkably controlled and understated in every public appearance that I have ever seen. I know that there are many people who would say that he is just clever enough to stay in control to give this impression, but these are the same folks who say he’s as dumb as a brick. The real truth is he is probably not too different than many a young man brought up the same way and in his socioeconomic group. Pretty typical.
C-A, you are right. No one has the right to blast anyone who posts here and speculates on what might have happened. We’ve had nothing but lies to go on so anyone with half a mind would be trying to untangle all those tangled up lies. And Nancy Grace has only added to it through her own half truths and inuendos while she belies his pathetic grief through her own blind-sided ignorance of the criminal mind.
I have no idea how that sweet darling little girl was killed or if she was; I just know that whatever happened was terrible. So to
tell you the truth, I haven’t done any speculating as to what might have happened that night to little Haliegh, as it has been rather clear to me from the get go that numerous lies were put out there by all of them, including Ronald Cummings. WHY? What’s he hiding? Plenty. What are they ALL covering up? Plenty, and it’s not pretty. I’m convinced it includes several others.
Somehow Ronald Cummings is the mastermind of this entire deception and the on going lies and cover up by everyone else involved. I’d bet on it.
Anne,
Can’t watch Nancy Grace as I find her too rude and nasty.
Wow – she was getting him an attorney!
Did hear that Grace got Theresa, the mother, a face lift so she would look better on Grace’s show. Don’t know if that happened or not.
Ann
Ann
Aligoo,
What is your definition of a ‘petty crime’?
Ann
“pett crimes” = using a gun that is incorrect for the hunting season, being stopped with a small amount of controlled substance in your car when someone else was in your car and it was not clear who owned the drugs, etc. I.e., not breaking and entering, not robbery, not drunken driving on the wrong side of the road, not shooting or stabbing someone, not killing someone, etc….
Have to differ with you. Those are not petty crimes. Our laws were established for good reasons and for the good of all of us. The laws are the laws and they apply to all of us.
Ann, I hadn’t heard about the face lift. Nothing would surprise me though as it concerns Nancy Grace since Ronald has “Miss Nancy” eating out of his hand. I’ve seen a whole different side of her; so disappointing, sorry to say. She is making a complete fool out of herself.
I was a little disappointed in Simon’s broadcast today. The focus was on a little segment of a conversation between Lindsey and Tommy, not much there at all. Barely anything was discussed about Ronald, primarily who picked up Haliegh at the bus stop. Ronald claims he did, but Ronald also claims he took her that morning. The bus driver said Misty picked her up. I’d believe the bus driver first, they see who brings and picks up those kids. But Ronald claimed he took her to the bus stop that morning. Duh. Misty said she took her to school, she had to go pick up something clean for Haliegh to wear, that she had spilled something on herself, she was late to school and Misty had to take her in. That can be proved by school office records.
Anyway, there wasn’t much said about Ronald, AGAIN. It’s kind of like “let’s not disturb the sleeping dog.” Why ISN’T the media going after HIM non stop like they’re going after Misty and Tommy? He’s the real culprit, that should be clear as a bell by now. Regardless, he’s responsible for whatever happened to her just through his OWN drug usage, criminal activities and choice of drug addicted friends he allowed around her. Makes no sense.
Maybe Haliegh missing the school bus that morning because of her innocent accident is what they were mad about when she got home that afternoon and for that the poor little girl got the crap beat out of her and THAT’S how she died later. They had all day to fume over it. Now I’m speculating. But fragile drug addicts are always mad as hell about something they’ve blown up in their weak distorted mind, and it could have just as easily been something innocent Haliegh did that morning. Poor little thing.
On Nov 16, 2004, Ronald Cummings was charged with being in possession of in excess of 20 grams of Cannabis; possession of drug paraphernalia, maintaining a drug vehicle – he pleaded not guilty, refused drug court, refused a jury trial. When the judge deemed him eligible and he got evaluated to enter a ADI Level 2 program, he changed his plea to nolo.
After six months he submitted his Certificate of Compliance and all these felony charges were dismissed by the judge.
On November 14, 2006, he received a traffic citation for leaving the scene of an accident with injuries.
So, we are left to wonder why he left the scene – drunk or was he high on drugs and, perhaps, driving on the wrong side of the road? We don’t know for certain since by leaving the scene he was supposed to have charged with the maximum penalty.
He got six months probation or perhaps this was the time he got 50 hours of community service – don’t remember exactly. Perhaps community service was for the gun charges while he was on probation, don’t know.
And, it goes on and on – interesting part for me is that he never wanted a jury trial. He seemed to do well with the judge and bench trials.
Wonder if twelve jurors would have felt the same as the judge and, perhaps, Haleigh would be alive, or not missing, today.
His criminal record is extensive and, perhaps, there is a revolving door as is often stated and as you indicate. But golly when you add all of these up they are in totality pretty serious stuff.
Ann
Anne of Port Charlotte said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 6:59 pm “Have to differ with you. Those are not petty crimes. Our laws were established for good reasons and for the good of all of us. The laws are the laws and they apply to all of us.”
We can all agree that laws are established for the overall good and apply to everyone. The word “petty” means having secondary rank or importance. So “petty” crimes are those of less significance, not that they are not crimes. The practical aspect is that not all crimes can be prosecuted because the cost is too high and because our prison system would be totally overwhelmed. I think we all realize this. Back to my point that in FL, petty crimes are often not prosecuted, as in Ron’s case.
Anne,
Interesting – why do you think Lindsey is divorcing Tommy now? Do you think perhaps she is afraid of media getting her involved and is scared for the sake of her children and what all this publicity is doing to them?
I am with you and the bus driver.
Theresa says she also picked Haleigh up from school. {Did you notice any difference in Theresa’s face from a year ago? Someone else said it was a chemical peel that Grace provided for her so that she would look good on Grace’s program.}
Also, believe in dogs – the Cadaver dog that hit on the dumpster. It would be difficult to carry a dead child and put her in the dumpster in the dark by anyone — and, also, it would be difficult for Misty to do that alone, light or dark.
Nancy Grace is verbally abusive to so many on her program.
My thinking was she is simply trying to justify her working ‘a full time job’ and being a ‘full time mother’. Most woman who have full time jobs do so in order to provide for their children and don’t need justification.
Nancy Grace is a multi-millionaire, as is her husband, and need not work another day in her life if her devotion to her children is her main emphasis in life as she claims.
Have another problem with her putting her children at risk by continually showing their pictures and claiming she takes them to McDonald’s playground, etc. Isn’t this setting them up for possible kidnapping or so many other things that happen to small children every day in this world of ours?
I personally find Grace very disturbing in her behavior and wonder if it might be a good idea for Child Protective Services to have a look in on those twins and the environment they are being raised in. My opinion only.
Ann
HollysGmom said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:48 am
Lori;
I respect you opinion and input. My only comment is that regardless of what someone possible did to Haleigh, whatever sick twisted thing or who did it….it could never lessen her memory for me.[...]
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I agree with this HollysGmom very much.
Just wondering about the dogs that hit on that dumpster. I thought they were not cadaver dogs. Don’t know if there is a difference between dogs that look for human scents and or cadaver dogs. But, I think they were looking for only her scent not decomp. I could be wrong. So my question to myself or anyone else would be, if they weren’t cadaver dogs why would a live scent be in the dumpster. They had said I believe that they traced her scent along that trail to the river and railroad, etc.
maryd,
There were two types of dogs – tracking dogs which track the scent of a living human and Cadaver dogs that only alert on deceased humans. Only one of the two Cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster.
However, these dogs seldom give false positives and it would be a rarity for that to happen. If a dog alerts it is because a decomposed human was, is, in that area.
The tracking dogs did track Haleigh’s scent to the river. However, Haleigh could well have been at the river the previous day, or even after she came on school on the 9th without any harm having come to her.
Ann
maryd,
Sorry, correction to above.
On February 26, 2009, three different Cadaver dogs hit on a dumpster in a storage area behind the trailer park where Haleigh lived.
Investigators emptied the dumpster and examined the area and found no human remains.
The dumpster was used for waste from a home renovation, but it was not disclosed if that trailer/home renovation was used in covering up a body or if a body had been in the home from which the renovation materials were disposed.
A dog’s alert is reasonable suspicion but is not considered probable cause so a warrant could not be gotten to do a search of that trailer/home.
Ann
JenM said,in May 1st, 2010 at 9:34 pm Jojo, it says “Tommy came in”, not Timmy. And how do you know anyone was high?
Sorry mispelled, I meant Tommy, and your kidding right, You honestly dont think if Tommy was out at that time of the night then he wasnt High? I mean really? he already said he came over that night and smoked a joint with Misty, of course he was high..duh..
Ron and Teresa have never displayed the appropriate feelings one would expect them to against Misty, which makes me think Misty knows Ron killed Haleigh and is covering for him and Teresa knows that. Ron knew her for what, 4 months? There is not that much love or loyalty in the world especially when this person was respondsible for the well being of your child/grandchild and let her get “stole”. Nah, they know and have all along. There is no other reason for them to cover for her. IMO
Becky, Ann, for Ronald Cummings to get away with so many violations in the past, it seems to me he would have a connection with the judge or some other LE official. And just exactly why would this be? I mean, what is HE other than some little peon. Only makes sense. What could it be? Drugs? Prostitution? Porn? Kiddie porn? Something’s not adding up. It stinks.
I’m not trusting any of ‘em at this point. That little b’stard has gotten away with too much and right now is getting away with concealing the death of his child. Why is this? Exactly what is he and OTHERS hiding, ummmm? Sure this is an underhanded accusation, but why not? Can anyone else think of a better reason Ronald Cummings would always come out smelling like a rose? ummmm? Let’s hear it then.
Ann, was it you who asked what I thought about Lindsey divorcing Tommy? I think good for her, it’s high time. She’s got three kids to raise and married to a dope head, possibly implicated in child rape and the murder and/or disposal of a child, who hails from a trashy no good family. Apparently just a low life.
Can’t imagine why she stayed this long and tied herself down with three kids. Something must be wrong with her to have messed up her life like that and stayed in it as long as she has. There’s not enough love in this world to live like that, and sex can be replaced, just as companionship can be.
Didn’t she recently get her certificate as an LPN? Maybe she’s trying to better herself then. I would change my last name and the kids last name and move on,(for a fee of course). She can make it without him now, plus can get SSI subsidies from the State of Fl. Hell, I wouldn’t stay married to him either. I’d take that tax refund, keep my mouth shut, and boogie on outta there so fast they wouldn’t know which way I went.
And I’d never take the kids to any jail or prison to visit him or his deadbeat family either. Kids don’t need to be exposed to the horror of seeing their no good parent or relatives in prison! Make tracks I say!!! And don’t give out any phone number or forwarding address. Vamoosh! Vanish! Si a nahyha! That’s my take.
Also, I think it will probably be Geraldo and Greta who will help to crack this case, if they’ll just stay on top of it; it certainly won’t be Miz NG or JVM, who both work for CNN; JVM only strokes NG as they all do on her show, scared to say one word about her boy RC.
I wish somehow the FBI would come in on the investigation of missing Haliegh. I don’t think the local LE are ever going to get to the “true” bottom of it one way or another; just going to keep throwing out accusations against everybody but Ron and going on dead end wild goose chases based on the lies of dope addicts, that they KNOW to be lies. Looks like somebody’s been playing games. Why?
I think it’s going to take FBI investigators who have no political ax to grind or favoritism owed a ‘friend’ to make any real progress; it could even lead to a shakedown of FLE. One never knows what’s behind Ronald Cummmings getting away with concealing his own daughter’s death and/or his participation, or why he only got a slap on the wrist for all his criminal charges in the past. He walks scott free every time and there has to be a reason for this. Just MHO….
I’ve had a couple of rough bumpy rides with my two grown sons, but on the bighter side, I’ve been thinking today how blessed I’ve been not to have had a son like Ronald Cummings!!! Think of that friends. How awful it would be that every $dime you ever had would have to go out in legal fees to cover the ass of your deadbeat son! And every night’s sleep would be ruined by a son like this! Look at the life he’s laid in front of his mother, grandmother, and several teenage women and four children. My God, how blessed I am.
check your facts “Ann”. Teresa never said she picked HaLeigh up, she said Ron did.
God bless HaLeigh and her parents and grandparents and brother
Ann
You were correct. In the first days of the investigations there were 3 different “tales” of who at picked up HaLeigh from the bus that last day (Misty, Ron, Teresa,). LE now believe that it was actually Ron that picked HaLeigh up that day. From what has been reported about Teresa, she may have been confused. Teresa is reported to also have a problem with prescription meds. I can only imagine that’s how she would know that oxy has a bad taste so HaLeigh would not have accidently taken any of her Daddy’s stash.
Ronnyboy…he was so angry. He acted like the alpha male. How come he has not found out yet what happened?
MO; Because he knows from the beginning, otherwise one of the Crosslins was at least beaten up.
He knows, and hides, and was her father..covering up means he’s guilty. Because he covered up, his family (loves him and) did too. Misty loves him and covered up.. and tommy, timmy and joe love Misty, so..
Just wanted to share my opinion and would like to hear othear other theories of the mentioned matter
Stil curious about what happened to dear Haleigh, hope she did not suffer. I really want to know that. That reminds me of granny FH, said she didn’t know if she was dead by hitting the water… How did that come to her mind. Was it a conclusion or did someone (crosslins/overstreet) use the phrase when talking to her earlier?
excuse my grammarfaults, this is not my motherlanguage, i hate webtranslation it never sounds right, so this is directly from my mind
i can read well, though, visit this site everyday hoping for news or clues, respect to many of you and Simon and Jan.
Greetings from Amsterdam,from a 44yo mum.
Curious . . .
Sorry, but please check back and see where Theresa said she picked up Haleigh, and, finally, on one of the shows, perhaps even Grace, she said it and was immediately corrected by Ron who was sitting beside her.
He seems great at watching and correcting the lady folk in his family –
Just my opinion.
Ann
Anne,
I agree with you, it is going to take more than what is going on now to solve this case, if it not too late already.
Just can’t get around why and for what reason was Ronald Cummings a free man.
Also find that his time line has never been disclosed. It is ambiguous – probably another of his ‘personal’ stuff that no one has any business asking about, his time line.
Perhaps his family are also scared of him, he is a bully, a violent and abusive man not only in language but in deed as is evident from the domestic abuse charges against him and DFS investigation(s?)
My opinion – and until I can disprove Ronald Cummings involvement in this crime, I cannot get past him.
Ann
Greetings to you too Amsterdam!! Hate to tell ya, but I think we are all just as confused as you are as to what happpened to little Haliegh. This is really a tangled up web of lies from all parties involved AND their families. They are all hiding something except Grandma Hollars, IMO.
Everyone lies for Ron and Misty except Grandma Hollars who seems to want to get to the truth by reporting the stories as they are told to her no matter who/what it involves. Course, they probably won’t be telling her anything from here on because she talks. And, I believe little Jr has told the truth about what he saw and heard that night, but he’s too young to be believable.
When you look at all those involved, it almost HAS to go deeper than just the Croslins and the Cummings. Going back to Ronald Cummings’ first words, “why you let my daughter get stole bitch” and later on “you let them take my daughter”. Just what exactly did he mean? “THEM?” WHO exactly are “THEY?” But then he turns around and marries the “bitch”! And the cover up scheme between them thickens.
So, WHO exactly had such a vendetta against Ronald Cummings that they would take his daughter? WHAT are they all hiding? Okay, lets see. They’ve got the Croslins in custody all except cousin Joe, who have lied? at some colusion in throwing Haliegh in the river, but claim Cousin Joe actually killed her, whose lawyer says not so fast, Joe didn’t do it.
But who would carry out such a lie that they would involve themselves if they weren’t really involved? So why hasn’t LE been able to crack the case based on their own words? That wasn’t a confession? No, now those lies have been retracted. What ARE they all covering up?
Or, were those first words of Ron’s his carefully plotted initial coverup, when he actually killed Haliegh himself, but everyone else is afraid to say so? Then that STILL leaves some dark sinister reason that everyone would be this afraid of Ronald Cummings. So what ELSE are they hiding? There’s GOT to be more.
Was someone else actually in that trailer that night, UNRELATED, who took Haliegh? Someone they are all scared to death of? I’m starting to seriously wonder about that. Just how far does Ronald Cummings’ criminal activities and his criminal element actually go?
BTW, YES, Teresa Neeves DID say at one point that she picked up Haliegh HERSELF at the bus stop that afternoon. I heard her say it. Why would she say this except in her haste to cover up for Ron? Apparently she didn’t realize that Ron and Misty had both already claimed to have picked her up. That makes three; Ron, Misty, Teresa. Duh.
I’m still believing Misty picked her up because the bus driver said so! I KNOW, I live in Fl and the bus drivers pay particular attention to who picks up the child. I’ve even had to get out of my car and go to the door of the school bus and PROVE who I am when driving a different car and not recognizable standing outside the car wearing a hat and sunglasses. Dang, I had to go show my DL!!
They pay particular attention to who picks up the kids, and the pick up person MUST be approved to pick up the child that they recognize as being approved. They are responsible to deliver them safely, they don’t just dump them out. The driver knows who picked that child up that day!
Also when a child is late to school, the parent, or custodian, has to go to the office and sign in THEIR NAME and the child’s name, with date and time. Misty said she took her that morning, that she was late. If this is true, there is an office record of it.
Jeeez! Guess my last post went up in smoke. It sure isn’t here. I was just saying that YES, Teresa Neeves DID say at one point she had picked up Haleigh that afternoon. I heard her say it myself. She is a liar. In her haste to cover up for Ron, I guess she didn’t realize that both Ron and Misty had already claimed to pick her up. That makes three, Ron, Misty, Teresa. Duh…
But I still believe the bus driver who said Misty picked her up. Those drivers know who picks up the kids. They have to be approved for pick up, and the driver pays attention. They don’t just dump them off. Dang. I’ve even had to go to the door of the bus and prove who I am when I was driving a different car and wearing sunglasses and a hat.
Also, Misty said she was late that morning. If Haliegh really was late, Misty had to go to the office and sign her in, sign her OWN name, the date and time. There will be an office record if this is true.
Durn! Now my previous post shows up! If that doesn’t just beat it all….! Sorry for repeating myself folks…! Thought my post was lost out in the interwebs. Gotta run though.
Teresa never said she picked up Haleigh that day, and if you are going by the transcript of Nancy’s show it was incorrect to what is said on tape.
Anne of Port Charlotte said,in May 4th, 2010 at 8:47 am BTW, YES, Teresa Neeves DID say at one point that she picked up Haliegh HERSELF at the bus stop that afternoon. I heard her say it I was just saying that YES, Teresa Neeves DID say at one point she had picked up Haleigh that afternoon. I heard her say it myself. She is a liar
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NO, she NEVER said that. So who’s the liar?
ann said,in May 3rd, 2010 at 7:51 pm Curious . . .
Sorry, but please check back and see where Theresa said she picked up Haleigh, and, finally, on one of the shows, perhaps even Grace, she said it and was immediately corrected by Ron who was sitting beside her.
He seems great at watching and correcting the lady folk in his family –
Just my opinion.
Ann
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Nope, that’s not true. Watch the clip. She never said that. It’s bloggers trying to say she did, when it’s a lie.
Go to Sierra’s site and watch the Nancy Grace, Feb 17 2009 episode, where Teresa says Ron picked HaLeigh up.
Captain Dick Schauland also stated on the March 3, 2009 Prime Time News that Ron picked her up. Teresa, Ron, Misty and LE have all said Ron picked HaLeigh up.
curious said,
Yes, indeed, she did say that on the Nancy Grace program of 2/17/09.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/7ng.0l.html
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NEVES: Yes, ma’am, she was {in school}. I picked her up from the bus stop.”
Hope this helps to settle this for you.
Ann
This is not worth arguing over, or one calling another one a liar; when I HEARD Teresa say it WITH MY OWN EARS, that she had picked up Haliegh from the bus stop that afternoon. Ron made a lame attempt at correcting her and skirted over it, quickly saying HE picked her up and how she ‘loved’ all over him. Teresa let it go at that point, saying no more.
So let’s not be calling anyone a liar when there are several of us who HEARD her say it. Get your blinders off. T/N is doing everything she can with every breath to cover up anything she can for Ron. That’s the bottom line. Teresa has lied about MANY things right from the get go. Get over it.
It was AFTER Teresa’s first lie where she said SHE picked up Haliegh at the bus stop and Ron quickly corrected her; that she THEN changed her story for later interviews and said that RON picked her up. But I damned well do KNOW what I heard her say in the beginning. One of many lies by Teresa.
However, don’t care who said what! IF the bus driver says Misty picked her up that day, then Misty picked her up. I understand that’s what the driver said by damn. Enuff already.
What does it matter anyhow? Ron is a liar and the mastermind of this whole issue of hiding Haliegh death and all of the criminal evidence that was in that trailer. Teresa is covering up for her little boy AND Misty’s lies and participation in the cover up. She is a liar.
Ann, come and post with us on the Satsuma Forum.
Actually no, she never said that. It’s a lie. If it were true you would be able to prove it. At least Art Harris had the decency to admit he was wrong and apologize, altho only online
It’s interesting you believe what Art Harris says the bus driver says, when that bus driver has not commented publicly.
Do you also believe Art when he said other witnesses saw Ron pick HaLeigh up but he didn’t speak with them?
How about when Art says Ron is cleared?
And any reasons why LE would lie about who picked HaLeigh up?
Curious, you’ve got some nerve calling people a liar just because they heard something you didn’t hear. Are you saying you have kept your ears glued to the tv 24/7 and never slept?
Check out the proof for yourself smart azz, then shut TFU.
You know what, you irritate me. Don’t care to converse with you at all.
If you don’t want to listen to her scroll on by.
Teresa did not say that and that was on NG’s for which the transcript is wrong.
If it’s not a lie, produce the show, sierra47 has every show taped and on you tube.
ann said,in May 4th, 2010 at 3:45 pm curious said,
Yes, indeed, she did say that on the Nancy Grace program of 2/17/09.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/7ng.0l.html
QUOTE;
NEVES: Yes, ma’am, she was {in school}. I picked her up from the bus stop.”
Hope this helps to settle this for you.
Ann
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No Ann, she did NOT say that. The transcript is wrong, watch the clip. Feb 17/09
Anne of Port Charlotte said,in May 4th, 2010 at 8:47 pm Curious, you’ve got some nerve calling people a liar just because they heard something you didn’t hear. Are you saying you have kept your ears glued to the tv 24/7 and never slept?
Check out the proof for yourself smart azz, then shut TFU.
You know what, you irritate me. Don’t care to converse with you at all.
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Do you kiss your kids with that mouth?
Next time before you make up stories and call people liars, you may want to have some proof. Just saying.
Anne of Port Charlotte said,in May 4th, 2010 at 8:47 pm Curious, you’ve got some nerve calling people a liar just because they heard something you didn’t hear. Are you saying you have kept your ears glued to the tv 24/7 and never slept?
Check out the proof for yourself smart azz, then shut TFU.
You know what, you irritate me. Don’t care to converse with you at all
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Hey dumbass, curious is correct. WATCH the show and you will see YOU ARE WRONG. If she said somewhere else, then PROVE it or YOU STFU.
Ann, Anne and Anne of… here is the video in Teresa’s on words. From the Feb 17th show with the incorrect transcript.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI
Anne of Port Charlotte said,in May 4th, 2010 at 9:04 am Jeeez! Guess my last post went up in smoke. It sure isn’t here. I was just saying that YES, Teresa Neeves DID say at one point she had picked up Haleigh that afternoon. I heard her say it myself. She is a liar. In her haste to cover up for Ron, I guess she didn’t realize that both Ron and Misty had already claimed to pick her up. That makes three, Ron, Misty, Teresa. Duh…
But I still believe the bus driver who said Misty picked her up. Those drivers know who picks up the kids. They have to be approved for pick up, and the driver pays attention. They don’t just dump them off. Dang. I’ve even had to go to the door of the bus and prove who I am when I was driving a different car and wearing sunglasses and a hat.
Also, Misty said she was late that morning. If Haliegh really was late, Misty had to go to the office and sign her in, sign her OWN name, the date and time. There will be an office record if this is true.
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Well, you are just full of misinformation ain’t cha now? Haleigh was not late that morning. We have seen a copy of her school attendance record many, mnay months ago. She was present and accounted for. I mean really, at least try and keep up. It obvious you can’t keep the correct information straight.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947
She has every NG/JVM/GVS show and ever other show on Haleigh on her channel.
Teresa never ever said she picked up Haleigh..
First day there’s a video Ron said he picked her up at the bus stop,TN was there, why would she then go on some show and say different..
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html
KAREN said,
in May 5th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
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Well, you are just full of misinformation ain’t cha now? Haleigh was not late that morning. We have seen a copy of her school attendance record many, mnay months ago. She was present and accounted for. I mean really, at least try and keep up. It obvious you can’t keep the correct information straight
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No kidding and Misty never said she had to sign her into class in the office, she said she walked her to her class..
Plus how does she know what the bus driver said? They never made a public statement.
Capt. Schauland said 3-11-09 that Ron picked up Haleigh(told TJ the same thing,which TJ has said over and over and over again), Ron said he picked up Haleigh on 2-20-09,Chelsea said he picked up Haleigh recently, Teresa said in the 2-17 NG show that Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop.
That should be 2-10-09 not 2-20
Well, I see you all are just determined to push the buttons here….
What I SAID was “IF” Haliegh was late to school that morning and “IF” Misty took her in late like she said she did, then she would have had to sign her in at the office. I KNOW, I live in Fl and when my granddaughter is late this is the procedure. We do NOT walk them to class when they are late, we sign them in at the office and the office takes it from there. Period. That’s all there is to it.
I also said “IF” Misty said she picked up Haliegh at the bus stop that afternoon and the bus driver said she did, then she did; “IF” in fact she did, as it is the bus driver who is responsible to see that the child is safely in the hands of an approved driver to pick up the child. They don’t just dump them out, they KNOW who picks them up.
Fact is, I don’t know OR CARE who picked up Haliegh that afternoon; only whoever picked her up, the bus driver would know. Period. But I DO know I have heard reports of three people saying they picked her up that afternoon; Ronald, Misty, and once initially Teresa, which Ronald corrected and said he picked her up. The driver would know. The end.
Do I keep up with every word everyone says at any given time….? Hell no. Maybe you all are right, it’s for danged sure I haven’t kept myself glued to every word that’s ever been spoken; but I DO know what I’ve heard at one time or another. If you think I owe you some kind of an apology, then fine, you’ve got one. I apologize for whatever it is I’m supposed to be wrong about. Comprede’?
Comprede’ = Comprende’…..
hi, this is my first time posting on this blog…i am now begining to think ron was involved, his 911 comments are way out of line for someone who just found out his daughter is missing, the first thing he should of been saying is he was gonna go look for his daughter, not kill whoever has her! that comes later, the anger, it was like he already knew…it was out of place for me and his tears were real i’m guessing, i can easily cry for my girls too like that by thinking of good memories of them, its not hard to do. this case is frustrating me to the point of not caring no more( like the casey case has already done for me) except haleigh hasnt been even been found yet and thats why i hang on still, imo nobody knows what happened or the truth but the people who were there, or there would be an arrest made, plain and simple…everybody to the grandparents to the parents to the “kids” to the drugged out looking sister-in laws are involved, the more people involved the more simple it is to me, i dont believe any of the stories out there yet, the real truth has not been spoken of yet and it is more simple than anyone would guess. IMO. and no matter NG bombshells or exclusives or drama she has on her show, i believe she cares about children and at least she has the story out there and that is the most important thing, not the other stuff.the whole family should get thier kids taken away before they come up missing or dead, i can see that coming soon, what trailer park trash this family is, and how old is tommy? he looks about 15, hard for me to think of him as a man, and no wonder lindsey is divorcing him she knows he’s gonna be in jail for a long time. i feel for the children that are left in this ditwits care.
hi, this is my first time posting on this blog…i am now begining to think ron was involved, his 911 comments are way out of line for someone who just found out his daughter is missing, the first thing he should of been saying is he was gonna go look for his daughter, not kill whoever has her! that comes later, the anger, it was like he already knew…it was out of place for me and his tears were real i’m guessing, i can easily cry for my girls too like that by thinking of good memories of them, its not hard to do. this case is frustrating me to the point of not caring no more( like the casey case has already done for me) except haleigh hasnt been even been found yet and thats why i hang on still, imo nobody knows what happened or the truth but the people who were there, or there would be an arrest made, plain and simple…everybody to the grandparents to the parents to the “kids” to the drugged out looking sister-in laws are involved, the more people involved the more simple it is to me, i dont believe any of the stories out there yet, the real truth has not been spoken of yet and it is more simple than anyone would guess. IMO. and no matter NG bombshells or exclusives or drama she has on her show, i believe she cares about children and at least she has the story out there and that is the most important thing, not the other stuff.the whole family should get thier kids taken away before they come up missing or dead, i can see that coming soon, what trailer park trash this family is, and how old is tommy? he looks about 15, hard for me to think of him as a man, and no wonder lindsey is divorcing him she knows he’s gonna be in jail for a long time. i feel for the children that are left in thses ditwits care.
sorry didnt mean to double post, i’m too quick on the trigger here…lol
Nobody will be cracking in jail either because they know they will be doing some time, would you rather be known in prison as a drug dealer or a child killer? Its really not gonna be solved so i dont expect anymore from this case for a long, long time.
I know this whole family and they are nothing but druggies and losers. All the different lies and pointing fingers at each other, the only thing that matters is where is Haleigh. What have they done with her body? Tommy has 3 children and one of them is a girl, that he waited so long for. These people have no conscious. We are talking about a little girl. Who gives a shit if they spend the rest of their life in jail. This child needs to be found and brought to her final resting place and her family needs closure. I think it is appauling what they are doing.
angel eyes said,
in May 6th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
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angel eyes,
Is it the Croslin family that you know? If so, when you say they are all druggies, would you include Lindsy in that description? There has been a lot of speculation and people wondering if she too is or was involved with drugs since she had the entire Croslin family living in her house while they were all actively using drugs. Normally someone not involved with drugs would not surround herself, nor her children with drugs. Just curious if you know anything about Lindsy. Thank you!
And I agree, HaLeigh’s family needs answers and if HaLeigh is really dead (which seems likely) than she deserves the respect to be laid to rest properly.
Praying for HaLeigh and everyone that loves her!
Did you see chelsea(sp) on NG? she looked totally trashed, they all are imo and i didnt know haleigh but i care about her life more than these people do and did!
I’m really mad with these lawyers though that keep coming on tv and saying tommy will only serve 3 years…lol they lie.
Jsaid
i agree that people who dont do drugs and stuff, like me, will not tolerate people like that around thier kids, family or not!
grrrr this case heats me up!
god bless haleigh.
calykoo69 said,
in May 6th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
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Chelsea did look terrible (IMO). I doubt it is from her worrying about HaLeigh, and it’s definitely not from searching for her (from MA).
I do believe that many of us who have spent the past 15 months worrying about HaLeigh, researching her family, the sex offenders, possible scenarios in her disappearance, etc, have come to “love” this precious child so much. Sometimes I think we have cried more tears for her than some of the people that are related to her by blood. It really makes my heart hurt.
As for Tommy serving only 3 years. Pffft.. in his dreams. Tommy seems to be forgetting that in addition to his drug trafficking charges, he also has 3 additional charges that are outstanding. Of course, he’s not the brightest bulb in the box, is he? lol 3 years is the minimum for the drugs, but each of his other 3 charges can (and should) carry jail time. I hope he also eventually gets arrested for whatever he did in connection with HaLeigh’s disappearance.
Praying for HaLeigh and all her loved ones!
I think that maybe Haleigh got ahold of some of the drugs they probably leave laying around and when they realized the little girl died from it they panicked bigtime. they knew they we’re in big trouble then tried to cover it up
when misty is sitting on the porch with her mom she says she didn’t do anything with haleigh because she “loved” her like one of her own. she uses the word “loved” in a past tense. Hello.. it must be difficult sticking to the script 24/7 and having to make it up as you go and remember all the b.s. and how to word what you say.
I would think that one of them would try to make a deal and tell the truth about what really happened. with all the time they are facing it should be a race to see who could make a deal first. how come they are all still lying?? I don’t get that
HollysGmom said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:45 pm me said,in May 1st, 2010 at 11:41 pm
However we have not been told that was where she normally slept. If it was, why not that night? Why all in the same room if not the norm?
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The a/c unit had been out of order, the repairman had been there and in a mobile home it is certainly not a stretch to imagine that they were all sleeping in the same room to keep warm. The problem is whether or not someone forgot (or ran out of time) to put the mattresses back where they belonged. In my opinion.
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good point simon made about the lying. i heard a saying many years ago, and use it often myself:
“truth is shorter than fiction”
lol…so true…
I’ve never seen it said that Haleigh was acting out in school in a way to suggest being sexualized. Is this a theory or has someone said this secretly or what?
Also, I disagree about Haleigh being hard to get to bed and Jr. easy. Junior is the one who was awake and saw the man in black and possibly two (black?) men visiting/bouncing couch. Jr. had a late nap that day and seems to have been kept up late so Ron and Misty could sleep late. Haleigh went to school and should have been tired, but definitely could have given trouble about actually getting into bed. A teen doper might not be able to handle that, but you’d think a doper might just let her do what she wanted and fall asleep where ever. I hope the school wasn’t causing gossip and home problems with weird suggestions to the family if Haleigh was tired or sleepy while in school resulting in harsh treatment or drugging in order to get the little girl to sleep.
My head is a spinning right now!
I always believed in Ron’s innocence of killing Haleigh directly.
I am now beginning to wonder though, what really was Ron’s involvement in this case?
I read Peter’s theory. Though I don’t agree with his thoughts, I found them interesting.
I can tell you what I believe started out as a quiet night at home, turned deadly between 9pm-4am. What though still remains a mystery.
WOW! what an excellent article you wrote. It definatly explains alot of good points and detail. Good job! Wouldn’t be shocked if you are right and Ron is involved somehow. Thinking back to the 911 call it is somewhat controlled… very interesting indeed!!
Years ago, just after an earthquake, my 2 year old got ahold of plyers and hid with them… when I coluldn’t find him in 3 or 4 minutes, I called 911, and while the helicopters came, I was out on the sidewalk, dragging his sister along after me, yelling out his name! No, Misty’s call does not seem real in any sence of a child is missing urgency! My child was asleep under a bede with the contraband plyers (I had been pulling out nails gto rfeplaster near all the pictures.) I was screaming his name, and asking his sister over and over “where is your brother, did yoyu see him go out..” There was a santa display next door he loved, that I thought might have lured him out the door…. Misty has No sense of panic, and all sense of “explanation” and thinking it through… my real call was total pannic, all about the CHILD and FINDING him…. as a mom, I do not believe her 911 call AT ALL, and when we find out the truth at last, we will all see it for the lie is was… pure lies.
*sigh* I think LE is going in the wrong direction.. I think they have focused on Misty and nothing else-does Misty strike anyone as scoring high on an IQ test-how on earth has this girl been able to snow a battery of LE officers and the FBI-she doesn’t even know what the word numeric is for goodness sakes.. while she has had some inconsist statements- I think believe it or not it is due to her lack of intellegence-I think Haleigh was kidnapped and LE focusing on Misty and only Misty is killing this investigation which is why we have no answers as to “Where is Haleigh”-LE is runing their own investigation by getting family members arrested and holding high bonds over their head, doing so will get them to lie and get their bond reduced. Now with the three in jail on drug charges with excessive bonds and looking at years in prision they are going to start lying-which is why their lies have produced no new leads-some bricks in the water and some rope.. which by the way was said to have been taken in for testing but nothing else has been said about it-LE focusing on just Misty is ruining this case.. and I was horrified when he said that he wanted felt confident calling this a homicide investigation with no proof of a homicide-oh yeah lets just decided she is deceased instead of continuing to look for her when she could be in someone’s house somewhere or living in their backyard-or could have been brutally murdered by someone only for them to go free and do it to another kid, because LE is not looking for her- it is horribly sad.. everyone keeps talking about how her parents failed her and that this girl didn’t stand a chance.. but LE and the public are failing her also by not looking for her, not trying to help her, just letting her go- it’s sad that everyone’s focus is inside the box and not outside the box-I’m sorry but if Misty can snow detectives and the FBI for this long there is something wrong with this investigation
I have no idea but:
1. If grandma is doing the washing and the kids are often dirty is Misty really going to have, under normal circumstances, washed a blanket? Then again, that might be true and Misty might just have washed a blanket with pee on.
2. I do wonder what the time delay was between actually finding the door open and the 911 call.
3. It does make sense for Misty to call if the 911 is to report a kidnap that really came from an outsider.
3. What if Ron asked or even insisted Misty give Haleigh something to make her sleep and then Misty being not all that bright, gave something to Haleigh that killed her. Ron’s calls could then have been either about that or checking on her after Misty realises, or Ron realises she has given Haleigh an overdose. That might explain why they seem to cover up for each other?
4. Crazy life attitudes exist and if they had an ‘open’ relationship Ron might have accepted Misty going off with White Boy
5. But then again there is the incident where Nay Nay’s mother goes for her with an axe. Nay Nay’s mother has issues with Misty and could she want to set Misty up and Misty and Ron be innocent?
6. Among people like Misty and Ron (and that means just like them as good people also live in trailers,) there exists a culture which NEVER rats on anyone to the cops and never ever gives good info to them. The cops are the enemy and I believe this is what confuses the whole issue. They lie because in their world you lie to cops and you never grass up anyone. In Ron’s world it is likely that he would go for personal revenge if someone else did take his child rather than allow the wheels of justice to turn.
6. The trouble with any theory is we think from our own reality and perception of what should happen.
7. Misty’s facebook is interesting in that it has links to abuse survival. If Misty is abused herself and then it makes sense she cannot defend Haleigh perhaps she is frightened to say what happened because she is groomed by one of the clan and the threat she believes is against members of her family. Therefore although she knows what happened she is still not saying as she is terrified. Possibly if that happened the perpetrator has threatened other children.
8. The trouble is that a chaotic drug type lifestyle plays into it all so that a lot of what is not sensible and even crazy comes into it.
9. IF a cinder block is used to open a door that implies a dead or sleeping child was possibly taken out.
10. ‘Our daughter’ means nothing. Misty possibly enjoys playing mum and there is footage in video calls of her interaction with other children. She is not unable to communicate with young children and I have known seventeen year olds want to play mum like that.
11. Whoever took Haleigh Ron still had a seventeen year old girlfriend and who in their right minds leaves a seventeen year old off a drugs binge with children? I have seen it long ago…people who live a lifestyle like Ron and Misty were living…..they do NOT think like you or I.
Something just occurred to me. Misty reminds me of some one with learning difficulties. It is harder to think of her as having them because she is nice looking. Yet she reminds me of someone I know. They do present as reasonably intelligent but have no perception of issues, including crimes they have committed, of being serious. They literally get stuck in grooves and sometimes ‘just say’ things because that is what comes into their head at the time. I often have a repeated conversation with them ten times running in ten weeks…..
On the other hand here in the UK the word numerical is not used to ask for a number and how common is that in the US? I think I might in a panic be wondering what the operator meant, and I have a degree…..
I have read every one of your comments and I have tried to follow this case as closely as possible, I too agree that somehow Ron and Misty have cooked up this story that someone came in and stole that little girl. I am pretty sure that what happened is that the little girl somehow got ahold of some drugs, ingested it and died. Possibly even before Ron left for work, which would explain all the phone calls throughout the night, and because they didn’t want to get caught in trafficking, they concocted the story that somehow someone came in, (even though there was no forced entry) and then left the door open with a cinder block and took the little girl. This gave all of them ample time for their alibi’s to be valid and also gave them time to get rid of the body and the drugs. Then when Ron came back home and all was clear, all the drugs were out of the house and the dead little girl was gone, it was then that they called the police and all hell broke loose. Only problem is, that like with all lies, the more they told it, the more they added to it and the more it conflicted with the other one’s lie and now we have a ton of lies and almost an impossible crime to solve cause the leads they are getting are all based on lies. Now months later, because drug dealers don’t change, they have been caught trafficking, and now they are trying to make deals to get off of all the charges. Someone is spilling the beans, slowly and they are being counceled as to what to say and how to act so as to not get into anymore trouble. The truth will come out, everyone of them is involved, all of them trying to cover up the fact that these irresponsible stupid young adults were playing with drugs and somehow a little girl got ahold of them and died. They’re all responsible for her death. It will all come out. You can’t hide from the truth forever, and Haleigh will find peace as soon as justice prevails. Just my opinion like everyone else’s.
Mr. Barrett, I completely agree with you that Ron was involved in haliegh’s death somehow. Firstly, his history of violence and drugs, having young drug addicted girlfriends, guns etc.. secondly, If you listen to his comments on the 911 call, they do seem fake and contrived and his whiny crying voice does not seem genuine. Folks on here have made great comments about HIM not making the 911 call and calling out for his daughter. I think he knows exactly what happened to his little daughter. This group of peoples crime isn’t the fact that they are under educated and poor, the travesty is that they CHOSE not to do anything about thier situation made poor decisions and involved thierselves in criminal activity. I too was born on the wrong side of the tracks and didn’t have much hope for anything but made some good choices and am a successful professional. And that is thier crime… making bad decisions about life for that reason this child never stood a chance. I pray the truth comes out and they all pay for thier involvment in Haleighs death.
I don’t see anything guys about the lap??
This,I agree with ya!
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