Most Saturdays are a quiet time for the online world. Yesterday was not. The release of the Ronald tapes here and here seem to have everyone in a feeding frenzy. But, I for one am not sure why. The tapes reveal Ronald fingering Cousin Joe, but that is a game that has been played before. The PCSO don’t buy into it. If they did, Cousin Joe, would be on an all expenses paid vacation behind bars.
The tapes do however reveal a great deal of information. You have to put on your listening ears to appreciate it.
Investigator Steve Brown has claimed to have solved the case, I have talked to Steve a couple of times, and at no point has he pointed to a suspect. However he did say he knows who did it.
I am taking a more circuitous route, I talk to lots of folks, and you start to build a picture. I think Steve Brown has the case nailed. He has not told me who he suspects, but I’d bet a dollar that it is not who most people assume.
Steve Brown made the comment “You would never guess who did itâ€. Actually I suspect I walk in his foot steps. I do believe that this case is rapidly approaching an end, and I also believe that the person facing the biggest problem is someone you might not expect. I was set in my mind, I understood the events of that night. The doubt started months ago, little bits ate away at my conviction.
There is so much information and disinformation in the case that sometimes it is hard to pick fact from fiction.
I have just received three very interesting phone calls. Two on the Haleigh Cummings case and one on the Caylee Anthony case. I suspect we are going to have a very interesting panel this afternoon. I won’t announce the names as the situation may change, but if this all comes together it is going to be one great program!
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thanks simon
GGS or TN have been the ones on my radar from day one. It is the only thing that would explain all of their odd behavior and make sense.
Buddy – why do you suspect GGS and TN? What odd behaviors of theirs can only be explained by their involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance/death?
It’s an honest question, not an attack. I really want to know why you think this.
Simon – I don’t know what Steve Brown told you personally but on the interview on News Jax 4 when asked if we will find out who did it he said “I think you probably already know”. Everybody should relisten to this interview as I think it gives all the answers. Also – we know for sure that Tommy is the one who gave them specific info to search the dock. Steve Brown also said that the evidence will cooberate “eye witness” testimony they have for a solid case. He also said the suspect could be out of state and that there could be multiple suspects. He also said to his knowledge Ron has nothing to do with it and Misty was there but doesn’t know if she will have copablity. All of the answers are right there in his interview. Cousin Joe or Timmy and Tommy are all involved. Misty was there but didn’t do it. Ron has nothing to do with it. And he works for Crystal so obviously she has nothing to do with it. If you beleive Steve Brown knows (and I think he does) listen to his interview again. It’s all right there.
Also – just because Cousin Joe is not in jail does not mean he is not a prime suspect. He just hasn’t done anything stupid like the Florida gang since then to land himself in jail for another reason. Look how long Scott Peterson was out of jail and a suspect. They need a reason to arrest him like solid forensic evidence. Tommy told them exactly what happened but they need the foresnic evidence to back up his eye witness testimony becasue Tommy’s word is not enough (so many lies). Tommy and or Joe did it (a surprise could be Timmy’s involvement), Misty was there but didn’t do anything, Ron did nothing. Listen to Steve Brown’s interview.
Thanks again Simon! If the person is out of state. I say Timmy! That is my thought for the day!
See ya at 3PM.
Thanks again Simon! If the person is out of state. I say maybe Timmy or Chelsea! Chelsea looked pretty bad on NG the other night. She must me on something or she is not sleeping or eating. She did not look right to me anyway. That is my thought for the day!
See ya at 3PM.
The only thing that would surprise me would be Timmy’s involvement or someone else like Nay Nay or WBG.
I know this situation is not funny or a game, but at times I have to say it feels like I’m playing the game of Clue, no lie!
I just want (like everyone) for Haleigh’s murderer to be locked away for life or get the DP. Praying for justice for this child.
Ronald Cummings! I have thought so from the beginning, and I know he had something to do with it.
Read Simon’s post again. He is telling you something.
Michelle, I hear ya (Clue game)!
Does anyone have a link to Chelsea Croslin’s interview the other night or at least point me in the direction to find it? Thanks.
OpenYourEyes – if RC had something to do with it then why would LE say he was cleared from the begining (remember only him and Crystal were “officially” cleared), why would they put him in General Population in the jail, why would Steve Brown (I think we all agree including Simon that he knows what happened) say that to his knowledge Ron has nothing to do with it?
kittykat Ron and Crystal were not cleared. They were said to not be ‘suspects’
LE has also said Misty is not a suspect so what does that tell you? LE always says people are not suspects up until the point they arrest them.
Will the responsible person(s) please step forward and shout the truth, please?? No with-holding information to protect yourself, just speak the truth and end the charade.
OYE – well that could be. Which means that everything that LE and Steve Brown have and are incinuating would be a huge “Sting” operation geared to Ron from the begining. Still I have a hard time beleiving that they would leave JR in Ron’s custody all this time if they really beleived he did it. And they said Misty was not a suspect because she is not a suspect – but they know she has always had important info to lead them to the truth of who did it. Which is Tommy and/or Joe and maybe Timmy.
Marinade Dave just posted that he is going to be on the show today.
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/a-face-made-for-radio/
Simon, there’s been so much going on in these two cases that I don’t think 90 minutes is long enough for today’s show. Maybe you should expand it to 2 or 3 hours today.
kitty kat said,in April 18th, 2010 at 11:12 am OYE – well that could be. Which means that everything that LE and Steve Brown have and are incinuating would be a huge “Sting” operation geared to Ron from the begining. Still I have a hard time beleiving that they would leave JR in Ron’s custody all this time if they really beleived he did it. And they said Misty was not a suspect because she is not a suspect – but they know she has always had important info to lead them to the truth of who did it. Which is Tommy and/or Joe and maybe Timmy.
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Well if you look back to other cases, Drew P, OJ both still had custody of their kids……..jus saying
In this video, I think Steve Brown is saying, IT IS who we all think. JMO
http://www.news4jax.com/video/23145771/index.html
JOS – true. What a tragedy. Still the one fact we know is that Tommy lead them to the river. So he is involved for sure in some way which leads to his “circle” – Misty, Joe, Timmy.
kitty kat… I’m quite sure that Ronald Cummings’ son (JR) — is now in the care of his biological mother and family. I believe I heard that on Headline News.
kitty kat said,in April 18th, 2010 at 11:05 am OpenYourEyes – if RC had something to do with it then why would LE say he was cleared from the begining (remember only him and Crystal were “officially” cleared)
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Could you post a link where it was ever said they were “cleared”? I thought they were not being named “suspects” but never heard they were “cleared”.
Putnam County Sheriff’s spokesman Gary Bowling said Croslin, Cummings and the child’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, as well as several others have been questioned in the case. Police have given them all the chance to take lie detector tests.
“It is never safe to say that a family member is not a suspect,” Bowling said during a press conference. “However, all the world is a suspect right now.”
Investigators say Croslin is now with her family, but they’re not calling her a suspect nor are they revealing whether the child’s father is a focus of the investigation.
When Ronald said he and Misty passed their LDT, LE had this to say;
Ronald and Misty claimed to have been told they had passed polygraph tests and Ronald said he was told by a detective that Misty was not a suspect.
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That claim did not go over well with Putnam County Sheriff’s Dept., who fired back on both Friday night and Saturday morning.
On Friday Sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland spoke to First Coast News and while saying Misty was not a suspect, said they did have concerns about her accounting of the timeline. He also commented only that “that people who take polygraphs are “normally not told weather they pass or didn’t pass.”
However, on Saturday, the wording was much stronger. Major Gary Bowling spoke to the Palatka Daily News and he made no bones about being very clear: “Bowling also disputed Croslin’s assertion on TV that she wasn’t a suspect. “We have not ruled her out as a suspect,” he said.
And even more clearer: “During the television interview, both said they had been cleared as suspects and had passed polygraph tests.
Bowling said authorities have not released results of the tests, which were given by FBI agents shortly after Haleigh vanished on Feb. 10. Initially, Putnam County authorities said “the world is a suspect” in Haleigh’s disappearance but Bowling narrowed the focus on Friday. “We haven’t eliminated anybody connected to it as a suspect,” he said.”
buddy had a good thought when he said tn or gm sykes, i thought of that last nite , and ron would surley protect her! if he was going to kill the man who murderd his daughter then he was pointing the figer to cousin jo , why didnt he go up there to tenn. and kill him?
Ron was the one in my opinion that decided to blame Joe. What went on with that gun? Was it ever sent to ballistics to be checked against any shootings before Haleigh was taken? Could that be why Ron was acting like he was when asked if he and joe argued about it and he said it never happened? Then when he talks with Cobra he says it was in a ditch and he cleaned it.jmo
Thank you Simon.
I honestly do feel sorry for Crystal, she got caught up in this lifestyle at a very tender age and to me she appears to have that defeated look of someone who has been beaten down by life (even if she made bad decisions early on). I think Ron stole her kids by taking them and not returning them and telling a judge “I heard she was doing drugs”, well good Lord he had just completed a drug program from his arrest in Sarasota and yet he failed to tell the judge of his own drug use and dealing drugs. Crystal at least owned hers, guess it didn’t help to be honest. Also, if you read the custody doc’s Ron was given custody becasue he had a job and even though he had just got that job because he has had a very spotty employment record due to the $$ coming in from dealing drugs. He also told the judge his mom, gma and sister would watch the kids while he was at work. Well, we see how well that turned out, first he left them with Amber, then his drug whore that was a doper too. Great jon Ronnie. I think and have heard she did try to regain custody, but sometimes the one who wins custody is the one who knows how to play the game. It’s almost like she went into a deep depression over her lack to overturn the court’s decision and honestly I can see how that could happen, knowing your kids are in the home of a drug dealer/user and all around thug who loved his dope and guns more than his kids. Now before you jump on me about Ron dealing, he admitted it to Tim Miller and Cobra. He put his children in a extremely volatile and dangerous situation due to his love of dope. Frankly if I had been Crystal, I would have snatched both kids and disappeared underground, but I think she had been so beaten down by life and depression she felt helpless. God be with her and her family during this excrutiating time, and thank God butterbean is where he belongs.
Go ahead and trash this post mc2 and all others, I call it like I see it and you will never convince me she wasn’t the best parent fot these kids……..actually we have proof of that with HaLeigh dead now:(
To me Ron was as inconsistant as Misty in this case.He even claims he passed his poly with flying colors when PCSD said they never tell the results reguardless of the outcome. He says Misty never drove the van. He has lied so much on many levels I have a big WHY????
He also owns a boat so he knows the boat ramp well its the closest one to his home. I just wont count him out until LE does. jmo
In the article it states the show will begin at 3:00 PM, however, when I click on the link it says 4:00 PM. Which hour is correct? Also, is this EDT, CDT, MDT, PCT? Thanks.
Are the tapes working or are they down for a reason because they dont work for me.jmo
4central 3 eastern i am in the northeast and listen at 4
just one – I’m not going to bash you for your comments, but I will say that there is nothing about Crystal or her life that would have prevented a similar kind of thing happening to any of the children. So if you want to regard her as a “better” parent because it didn’t happen when Haleigh was with her, well, I don’t think that says very much about her at all – except she’s lucky.
just one was right when she says ron knows how to play the game! he might have been playing the game all along misleading people to cover for hinself or someone in his family.last nite on those tapes he sure knew the difference on what sentences you would get if you injured one person this way or if youinjured them another way.kinda clever huh?
Why wont the tapes work for me today? Am I doing something wrong or are they disabled now?
m2c♥ said,in April 18th, 2010 at 12:34 pm just one – I’m not going to bash you for your comments, but I will say that there is nothing about Crystal or her life that would have prevented a similar kind of thing happening to any of the children. So if you want to regard her as a “better” parent because it didn’t happen when Haleigh was with her, well, I don’t think that says very much about her at all – except she’s lucky
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To my knowledge she was never a dope dealer, nor does she have the multiple arrest on drugs that Ron does. I stand by my opinion that not only was she fighting Ron for custody, but she was up against the entire Cummings trashy family, she must have felt extremely overwhelmed considering how the entire family are dopers. She’s damn sure not lucky, her child is dead due to Ron’s love of dope/guns and thug behavior- he loved those more than his kids.
tobias, thank you for clearing up the time.
YW Can you tell me why the tapes dont work for me? jmo
cooline said,in April 18th, 2010 at 12:37 pm just one was right when she says ron knows how to play the game! he might have been playing the game all along misleading people to cover for hinself or someone in his family.last nite on those tapes he sure knew the difference on what sentences you would get if you injured one person this way or if youinjured them another way.kinda clever huh?
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Yes, he has been well trained by a family of criminals how to “get around” the law, he is a master of manipulation who craves power and control and I think that’s why he wanted custody of the kids. He wanted to punish the one woman who left his @ss, they were simply pawns to him and even in the very first interview he stated “his daughter was stolen while he was at work trying to provide an honets living because he had custody of his kids” LMAO, that thug doesn’t even know what an honest living means because it was to easy to make $$ dealing dope. Frankly, if I were Crystal I doubt I would have paid him child support either.
Hope you have a great day, I’m going out to enjoy this beautiful day.
I feel we need to forget about Crystals past and hope her future is better and that she can stay off the drugs and do right by the kids she has. And you can bet with everything that has happened she is under the microscope. jmo
Watching Crystal leave that meeting the other day was so sad. I know some people have thought Ron looked off or odd somehow, but I thought he and Crystal both looked devastated.
just one–I don’t want to bash the Sheffields(because we have seen what that will get you on here), but that family has a long criminal record, too. Crystal DID NOT pay child support, and if I am not mistaken has a spotty employment record, too. If the roles were reversed and Crystal had custody of the children, and RON did not pay child support, then people would be calling him a deadbeat and he would have probably sat in jail for failure to pay child support. Crystal has a history of drug abuse, which she admitted herself. There is no defending anyone in this situation, because none of them did right by Haileigh.
Wow… nearly 2 PM… I ogtta’ get… I won’t be able to listen live today so I’ll have catching up to do tonight, I figure. Good luck with everything today. I hope some things are made a little clearer, at least.
A good, safe day to everyone — no exceptions.
Crystal is/was a deadbeat mom… Crystal endangered her daughter by driving while having seizers!
Ronald is a deadbeat dad… NOW!! (there is no proof of him supporting JR) Ronald endangered his kids, by driving with HaLeigh on his lap!!
The comparisons can/will go on and on!
Enough said!
GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.
NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
So, TN was there that day and picked Haleigh up from the bus stop?
How long did she stay?
Ronnie said he picked HaLeigh up… cause he illegally and dangerously drove with HaLeigh on his lap!!
i thought ron said last nite on tose tapes that he picked haley up from the bus stop?
Simon..it seems the site for the show has crashed..could you check that please..thanks
Cent, I understand very well and get your point. I don’t want to continue with the tit for tat carp either. But I also – personally – do not want to forget Crystal’s part in this even though others would like for ALL of us to. (i.e. Tobias @ 12:48pm “I feel we need to forget about Crystal’s past.”)
As I said earlier, (IMO)that shows tacit approval which is horrible.
Like so many other cases, there are a lot of different people, factors, situations that led up to the culminating event – the crime.
Hopefully the person who committed the crime and those who helped in any way will be identified and convicted.
BUT if we forget all those other factors (including lousy moms), and don’t make any changes, raise expectations, help families, pressure DCFs and school systems and LE everywhere or help in some way then it will happen again and again. Why? Because we chose to “forget.”
Not me.
That’s why “history repeats itself.”
So, when appropriate or when I’d like to, I will mention matters pertaining to the mother and matters pertaining to the father. Neither type of comment should be prohibited here.
GRACE: And tonight, Ms. Neves is standing by the girlfriend/baby- sitter, Misty, saying she was in the home and was sleeping there in the room with the children. We are taking your calls live. Stay with us.
TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD, HALEIGH CUMMINGS: There is no drug history that I know of. And I would like to say that Misty has cried. The reason that Misty calls Haleigh, my daughter, my daughter, should be evident. I mean, Misty loved those children like they were her own.
GRACE: And Miss Neves, how long has she been taking care of them at night while the dad had the night shift?
NEVES: My son has not been on the night shift that long. So, I mean.
GRACE: So not very long.
NEVES: She was taking care of them. She has taken care of them — well, pretty much since they`ve been together. I mean my mom and I are here. You know?
Why dont you put my entire post up instead of just one part m2c are you selective in your bashing of bloggers? jmo
feel we need to forget about Crystals past and hope her future is better and that she can stay off the drugs and do right by the kids she has. And you can bet with everything that has happened she is under the microscope. jmo
This is the whole post…. jmo
ignore her tobias, I do
GRACE: … Ms. Neves, what about the pink T-shirt she was reported to be wearing the night she goes missing by Misty? Now we find out the police have that pink T-shirt. She wasn`t wearing it.
NEVES: “We still say” she was wearing it when she was put in bed.
GRACE: OK. So how did it reappear?
NEVES: I cannot answer that. I was not there when someone came in and took her. I don`t know.
Who is the “we”? If she was not there when Haleigh went to bed, how does she still say, “she was wearing it when she was put in bed.”?
M2C, I understand about the past repeating itself! I get that part, and personally to me… yes, it’s all relevant to some degree. But the posts back and forth regarding the tit-for-tat just goes on and on, and they get out of hand. I myself have been guilty in participating, but will not do so any longer… as long as I can help it! JMO
Excellent post and thoughts Tobias.
The only thing I disagree with is the forgetting part. None of us ever will forget any part of it and it has nothing to do with what some people want to keep shoving down our throats and in Crystal’s face every chance that they get.
Over and over and over and over and what not.
I don’t believe that you really meant to say “forget” as much as you are just becoming more and more annoyed by the consistant flow of useless contempt. jmvho and you are not alone.
I too hope that Crystal will learn from her mistakes and that her Children will be treated with much respect by her.
In the meantime there is still an ongoing case to discuss that involves the actual perpetrators of a heinous crime involving a beautiful little girl who is, as LE has recently stated, most likely deceased.
WHO DID IT!
Buddy, Misty claims who owuldput a child to bed with sheets that smell like pee I wouldnt. And yet they say they put a child to bed with clothes she wore the entire day? Who odes that?
Those sheets were laundered to get rid of evidence.jmo
TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?
NEVES: I do believe she was at home. I believe she`s a very responsible girl. I believe — like I say, I had family members there that night, dropping off clothes, and so I know she was there up until a point. And I don`t believe that she left after that.
Hey Buddy,
The last portion of the sentence of the first paragraph asks “You know?” well why would she be asking for an opinion if she knew that was a known fact?
TN left it open for debate.
No TN we don’t know.
Tuff, I meant that she can get past her past if people give her a chance but if no one ever lets the past be in the past it will be the present always. At some point we have all made mistakes and have regretted them but to always be reminded of past mistakes never helps the person do better. jmo
I can’t wait for the program, today.
Simon, you said to listen to Steven Brown’s interview, and I went back and listened again. The only thing that really catches me is that he says, it could be someone from out of town. We know that would most likely be Cuz Joe.
I do think Ronald was in on covering this up, so he is implicated in some way. IMO
VAN SUSTEREN: How did you find out?
TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH CUMMINGS PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: He called me.
VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?
NEVES: He called me 3:27, 3:28.
VAN SUSTEREN: So right after the 911 call? Right before?
NEVES: I believe that she was on with 911 when he called me.
911 CALL: (INAUDIBLE)
NEVES: He was in a panic.
NEVES: And I thought, I am in my nightgown, and I am throwing me jeans on and going out of the door, and I thought that she is probably hiding under the bed or something.
SO SHE GRABBED AN 8×10 GLOSSY PHOTO?
VAN SUSTEREN: How far do you live from here?
NEVES: I live about somewhere between 12 and 15 miles.
VAN SUSTEREN: So did you hightail it over here?
NEVES: It took me about five minutes.
WOW? Five minutes to get dressed, grab sheriff jacket and 8 x10 glossy photo and drive 15 miles..
VAN SUSTEREN: So you did move fast.
NEVES: I was well over the speed limit, that’s for sure. But I just thought if they got behind me, there would be more people here when we got here.
More people for what? A child you thought was hiding under the bed?
In my opinion,LE hasn’t stated to anyone that cousin Joe is the guilty party:if so why is he not in jail?????maybe they only told the family the facts of the case and that they expected to find evidence at the location they recently searched to indicate Haliegh was murdered;but with held the suspects name or names.Perhaps some drew a conclusion that they were speaking of Joe;but just maybe it isn’t Joe at all and they know who is involved and will make the arrest or arrests as soon as they get solid results back from the evidence they recently took fron the search sight.
I do think the sheets were washed and fresh, and that is one reason LE says Haleigh was never put to bed that night. I believe in their frenzied need to cover up, they unthinkingly made the bed up.
NEVES: .She is a five-year old. She “was” not a child who would go out in the dark. So you know that somebody took her.
But she is a daddy’s girl. To be away from her father, you just know that she is scared to death, you know? I am afraid that maybe some couple who can’t have a child and wanted a child, because she was so precious, they took her, and they are taking care of her.
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you think happened? Do you have any idea?
NEVES: I don’t. No, I don’t. I wish I did. I wish I could come up with any kind of scenario that would help find my baby girl.
Didn’t you just come up with a scenario, Teresa?
Again you say someone just came in and took her
GRACE: . What do you believe, Ms. Neves? What do you believe happened to Haleigh?
NEVES: I believe that someone came in that house and took her. I believe that they either know my grandchildren and my family or Haleigh`s mother`s family, or they had to watch for a while because my son`s on the night shift. And you know, anybody who knows my son knows that he is very protective of his children. So no one would dare to come in when he is there. So you`ve got to be talking about somebody who knew my son wouldn`t be there.
Tuff Stuff, she uses “you know” a lot.
Exactly Buddy, TN is certain that it was someone who knew Ron and his work shift hours etc…
How could she possibly have known that?
MM HMM I noticed that too. She is consistantly leaving herself open to debate. Suggesting that either she doubts her own knowledge or that she is lying.
Which one do you think it is?
I’m going to go rouge and say number 2.
I think when people us YOU KNOW they are trying to get you to believe what you are saying even if its not the truth. Like someone who wants you to take off from where they are leading you. jmo
LE is not in a hurry. They just added a whole lot more pressure to the Cummings’ and Croslins’. I wonder what the jailhouse tapes will say, now?
I am sure they have Cuz Joe under a 24 hour watch, so they know he’s not going anywhere. It maybe the same for Timmy, for all we know. Everyone else is in jail.
LE keeps adding pressure to the wives, and they add more pressure to the husbands. That is just what LE wants. See who breaks next with more information!
tobias, that means no bath either. Lets wash the sheets, but not the kids. I guess no sign of dirty little kids were found having ever been on those clean sheets..
Buddy, For me that is a sign of not caring properly for children. Sorry but kids need baths before they go to bed after the whole day at school and playing outside. Misty knew that when she claimed Haleigh was in her pajamas in the 911 tape but later it got changed. jmo
I always wondered why Chelsea stayed so involved in this by informing AH on what everyone in the Croslin family was up to?
She seems to do all the talking in that family why? Why her and not Timmy, he is Mistys favorite brother according to her, why tell the media some of the bad things they told AH? And she lied on NG the other night. jmo
Chelsea wanted to make sure the media saw them in a good light. We are the good Croslins, we arent like the ones still in Florida. Timmy is likely involved in the cover up for Misty.moo
Everybody on this blog is so anxious for the “Perry Mason” moment. Why would Tommy lead them to the river which lead them to turn the case into a “Homicide” and why would Misty be at the river if TN or CS had anything to do with this. There is no “Perry Mason” moment. The guilty parties are all of the key players that LE suspected from the begining – Joe, Misty, Tommy. Nothing has changed. The only “Mystery” is How and Why?
I think we will hear some interesting things about those 20 or more calls. I think we will hear more about what went on in the weeks before Haleigh went missing. And I doubt that Ron is totally innocent in this, his actions have been weird to say the least.jmo
Possibly the reason some in the family leak info to AH or NG, or any news source, is….they know that those in custody watch TV. This might be a way to get a message to them, and only them. JMO.
Simon, suspicious of Joe does not equal evidence so until LE has that, you can’t say anyone is misleading LE about Cousin Joe and lack of arrest means nothing. I don’t believe the Croslins feared him, though.
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Wonder if he is any relation?
Is there anywhere I can view Chelsea’s interview from the other night?
tobias said,in April 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm ”
Why dont you put my entire post up instead of just one part m2c are you selective in your bashing of bloggers? jmo”
Because that’s the part I was specifically addressing in my post. I put the time of your post so people could read all of it if they want. Geesh.
No, I will not forget or stop mentioning C and her fiance and family with drug and criminal backgrounds. Geesh. Why do you think people keep saying “Haleigh never had a chance?”
You want to keep forgetting about Chloe and Jr, too? I don’t. I pray for them.
OJ @ 1:57 – Thank you! Keep up the good work!
Is this LIVE? or is there a way to start from the beginning? I just logged on?
WHO is on the show talking? I can pick up on simon voice.
Cobra I like you an i believe you did try in every way to help find HALIEGH.
I take offence to what you said .Misty may have been a victim of sexual things happening with the family men.But no girl wants that to happen.I know this, IT MAY HAVE CAUSED HER TO BE FAST.BUT NO YOUNG GIRL WANTS HER BROTHER AN COUSIN PUMPING UP ON HER.!!!! DONT BUY THAT THEARY.AN IM APPAULED YOU WOULD SAY THAT.
BB12-Chris – Yes, it’s live. Some time after it’s over, Simon will provide a link to hear the recording of it. Not sure who all the guests are as I tuned in late.
I ment to say that you said, she had sex with her broher as a way to munipulate him.I just dont believe that. No woman want their own damn brother pumping up on them.Im a victim of sexual abuse,an rape.Im just appauled,you would say that.Hey an i been in some places were incest was happening.That was their norm..Cobra.I think you did a great service helping.But your a man,an why wouldnt i think that a man would think this way.Grrrrrr They used that girl in every way.An she had no damn way to stop it.
My Opinion Only said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Hello- This is “MOO” – I would like to make something clear….The posting (I pasted below) WAS NOT posted by me, but someone signing/posting AS me…why, not sure. It was posted under the Blog “more about cousin jo and hank sr.” As you all know by now, I quit posting or even reading these blogs because of the trash being said about me and any connection I may of had w/LE… (if you will noticed, my “handle” on the blog was “My Opinion Only” which was nicknamed “MOO”…the blogger, mistakenly signed in as “MOO”…..)
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MOO said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Ron is NOT innocent IMHO. He hindered the investigation just like TM said. The mentioning of the boat dock is no coincidence like the blankets. Ron and Misty need to come clean and start from the beginning and tell how Tommy and Joe were brought into their plan.
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Please, please don’t post as me. As you all know, I had surgery to remove uterine cancer and have been out of “commission” for quite a while. As a matter of fact, I have had a few Minor complication this past week and hospitalized again, until yesterday….I got online to do a Haleigh update and saw the posting by “MOO” above. I’ve cleared the air with my friend at PCSO and he too agreed, that my previous postings were of no harm to the case, and posted as JMO, in most cases. We are good and I want it to stay that way.
Now, the one who posted as me, “MOO” did post my true thoughts on this case…..which I found interesting…..Stating MY OPINION ONLY, I truly believe this:
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IF Joe and Tommy went to Misty’s to steal some guns, it was more than likely to sale for $ or drugs. AND, if they didn’t find any guns, what in the world would the motive be for CJ to snatch up Haleigh? The only reason would be if he were a pedophile and he wanted to rape her. And seriously……he’s gonna just up and say, “I’m taking Haleigh and I will kill either of you if you say anything?” Nope……I just can’t see it. Now, if they would have “come up” with their story a bit more carefully, they could have maybe sold it….Like, saying that they came over to steal the guns, Misty woke…..they discovered there were no guns, and left…..Then, around 1:00am, Tommy woke up and Jo was gone again….. Furthermore, Misty says Tommy left alone, and Jo left with Haleigh…..Yet Tommy says he went with Jo and watched him dump the body….. So, they’re trying to sell, that not only did he take Haleigh, but he staged the door with a cinder block……plus, got rope and more cinder blocks from the property to take with him also before they left….while Misty and Tommy just sat there, together, helplessly? That’s a load of BS if I ever heard any. Not only that, but both Tommy and Misty decide to call good ole Grandma Hillbilly in Tennessee and spill the beans, not only on the same day, but within 30 minutes of one another? Maybe that was the plan….for Grandma to collect the reward money and share the wealth….that is if there is even any reward money left to be found….IMO, I don’t even believe they went to the house, period to steal guns. I still believe and will until it’s proven otherwise, that Ron is involved. And if Misty was at home when Jo took Haleigh, how does she know where the spot is that Haleigh was taken to? I mean, sure – Tommy could have told her…..but she wouldn’t know an exact location other than “somewhere around the ramp / boat docks off shells harbor way” How would she be able to “point” out a spot or location unless she knew specifically by being there?
Now, coming clean….Yes, as I told all of you, I work as LE for a school district….but, as skeptical as many of you are about me already, I never meant harm in my postings. That being said, I am fixing to give you all something to really chew on. I have the ability, somehow, to “see” things…I don’t like to call my self “Psychic” though… I am able to see things and hear things that not even I understand. I don’t do this type of thing for a living or for profit. I use this ability, when I can, in trying to help solve cases, as Haleighs, with no strings attached – other than trying to being justice to such a horrible tragedy. I NEVER claim to be exact in what information I “get”….I only relay, to the best of my knowledge, as I “interpret” what I “see” or “hear” or “feel”…That being said, When I do a “reading”, to begin with, I like to know absolutely nothing….Nothing to jade me or my thoughts. When I did Haleighs original “reading” long ago…I didn’t know anyone’s names, (not the dad’s, misty’s, nothing..not even where she was abducted from) I didn’t know what they drove, who they were…All I knew, period, was that a 5 yr. old little girl named Haleigh from Florida was missing. I “asked”, first thing….who was responsible and the first name I got was Ron or Ronald….and then I started hearing/seeing the van, drugs, got Misty’s name, and MANY, MANY more things, that to date, as things play out, have come to pass….It’s weird, I know….and to some of you, BS….But all I can say, is, at least for me, I believe in what I “can do”….ANYWAY, everything I revealed in my first and second readings done about Haleigh and the case….Those are usually the best and most accurate readings because my mind is uninformed. Like I said, it doesn’t mean that everything is accurate, I just try to interpret what I see and hear the best I can. And one VERY strong feeling that I keep getting is that, still, even in the location (St.Johns River) that they are not being honest with what they gave LE. I keep getting “separation”….Not sure why, but it could mean that haleigh is separate from what they’re finding. Could be, either “real” evidence was thrown there at the time the crime was committed ~ as part of their over-all plan, if ever needed, to lead cops to evidence, BUT NOT HALEIGH, to prove their “Jo” theory, OR “Fake” evidence was put there, for the same reason……OR, it could just mean that haleigh is separate from where they found the evidence recovered. I did reveal they needed to search for Cinder Blocks, (the same type used to stage the back door) BEFORE they found them…..But, that is neither hear or there….However, I wonder if there anyway for them to be able to tell how long the blocks were under water? I would venture to say, that if they find no “haleigh” evidence on any of the items, etc….then, it was all staged to appear to be the crime location……just like the door was staged. I am not saying the Jo wasn’t involved….I think it’s very clear, that Jo, Misty and Tommy are for sure involved…..And I would even suggest adding Ron as well…..but that’s just my feelings about him. Furthermore, I don’t think they want LE to actual find Haleigh…..just enough “evidence” to prove their “story” and hopefully convict CJo, and them receive lighter sentences……simply because they are tired of the Haleigh questioning, and KNOW that it isn’t going to end until there is some kind of resolution, period, IMO. Unfortunately, I don’t know if they will ever know the entire, “real” truth. So much time has passed, that even finding Haleigh’s body wouldn’t reveal a lot of evidence, I don’t think, from my experience.
And One more thing…..if Haleigh was simply taken to the boat ramp/docks, why is the van returned scratched and a headlamp busted? Where and when did that happen? The wife (either Chelsea or Lindsay, can’t remember) says it wasn’t like that before that night……This case is just eating at me. The least they could have done is get their lie straight before presenting it to everyone. I do think, that if I am right, and this is one of their newest “stories” – or at least part truth / part lies, that if CJo is arrested, and he DIDN’T kill Haleigh directly, he will be the one who will tell the truth faster than any of the others. I guess that’s all I have to say.
And for the record, I did share all of the above with my PCSO friend, for none of it is “factual” and thoughts of mine, based on MOO.
As all of you do, I want this to end….But this bunch of liars will never come clean. Hopefully LE has facts and other evidence that we are not aware of to put the true puzzle together and end this, once and for all….
(Sorry for the long post, I know you guys hate them…..)
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Tuff Stuff said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Moo (((((((HUGS))))))) to you.
What a load to carry my friend.
You carry it well.
Peace be with you.
Sincerely.
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My Opinion Only said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Tuff Stuff ~ Thank you. You are kind.
I am confused as to why that long message is posted again. Was it originally posted in the wrong thread? No biggie, just curious.
see email address for analysis
My Opinion Only – Have you considered that there may be a blogger who uses MOO as their screen name and that it has nothing to do with you at all? I have not seen a blogger named MOO here that I remember. And you have not posted in a long time. They may know nothing about you. So I don’t think they are trying to pretend to be you. I think it’s someone else. Similar nics are common.
Chelsea may have been talking to AH to stay in the loop of what was going on in the case. He was either handing out money or inside information to Chelsea, IMO. Chelsea was getting something out of talking to AH.
OK as soon as the radio show is available with a link can someone email me? so i can post in it my blog?
My folks came home from AZ just now and I was on the phone with MA and I missed the show….uggggg
Anyone want to share some cliff notes?
Karon, I always wondered why she stayed in this mess when they left for Mass to get away from all of it. Timmy never talks except in the recent phone calls and she is always the mouth for that side why? Why didnt Misty sayy to Timmy that it would hurt 2 people and to use his head? Timmy knows Joe better than Chelsea. jmo
Peter said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
see email address for analysis
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what is the email address?
Is there an email address to reach Simon Barrett published here?
thanks…
Peter
Chris,
I apologize for error. I can post the analysis here, but want Simon Barrett’s permission first….
Peter Hyatt, Maine
bb12 they tape it you can go to listen any time on your right is the HERE IN RED PUSH IT AND IT TAKES YOU THERE.
Peter, scroll up the page and look on the right for the big black and white “Writers Wanted” box. You can click on that to email Simon.
peter, great hearing you today. on the top of the page push write for blog talk and simons e mail will be there. Hope you can give good insights to us too. jmo
Hope he finds it M2C sorry I wrote while you were too. He did have alot of useful info and I was very interested in what he had to say about Misty on the 911 and her saying that little girl. All past tense wording. Hope he is on the show next week. jmo
Sorry for the confusion. I posted as MOO. Didn’t know that was taken and had no idea who that is or anything about that person. I’m more of a lurker and follow several cases and then stop for periods when there is nothing going on in the cases.
A lot of people post a JMO, IMO, IMHO, JMHO MHO or MOO everywhere. It’s common. Sorry for that.
Hi, Lurker! Not your fault. It’s common for bloggers to use the initials of some long screen names instead of typing out the whole thing – so “My Opinion Only” was shortened to MOO by other bloggers. She never posted as “MOO” herself. So actually you are perfectly entitled to use that nic if you want!
(IMO)
to original moo: the phone calls to grandma hollar came form within the jail, therefore recorded and analized long before GMhollar called to report them.
Today’s show was so sad to me. IF we stretch it it had maybe 10 minutes about Haleigh. Some caller named Dave got to promote his blog and talk 10 times more than TJ. Who do you think your faithful followers wanted to hear Dave or TJ, about Daves love life or about Haleigh??
This sucked.
M2C , have the tapes been working for you? I cant get them to open up for me????jmo
hey, Tobias. in reference to the tapes not working…. they are .WMA extensions(windows media audio) file I think… if you rum a mac or other player than WMplayer it may not recognize that codec. either download that codec to your player or use your right-click menu and click open with…
open with… allows you to choose other players on your system that can play WMA files. just click through each player you have until you find one that can play WMA files. hope that helps!
everyone needs to get better phones too. I was interested in peters call though, the guy from Maine and hope he gets to post his findings on here for us to see.jmo
RE: Radio Broadcast……For me the only question asked, and wasn’t answered of any relevance, was “WHEN was Timmy in a car accident”? The first time I heard of this car accident was when Chelsea was saying Timmy was on drugs (really, tell me it isn’t so) following a car accident and sedated, in bed with her the night HaLeigh went missing… I do have to wonder if he was more sedated than Chelsea was on NG the other night?
Does anyone else think the multiple, ad nauseum “I love yous” heard on the jail tapes are a key word that really means “change the subject”? I noticed it when LC and TC were discussing her tossing out the work boots … “I love you” at a really inappropriate time… I’m sorry there have been so many times it happened, but choose the work boot conversation as an example….
mel22 TY jUST LISTENED TO SOME . i THINK rON IS THE ONE WHO WAS REALLY SAYING THAT ABOUT THE GATORS AND HE JUST CHANGED UP THE STORY TO jOE SAYING IT. sOUNDS ALOT LIKE WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT HIM TELLING aMBER ABOUT GETTING RID OF PEOPLE ON A BRIDGE. JMO
PS Sorry, I too found “Peter” interesting, and extremely logical…. I truly hope he is real in all regards i.e. his career and training…. A bit surprised an out of state LE officer would have time to analyze this case tho.
Anth–I think both Croslin wives know more than what they are saying. I think if their husbands are involved, then they know what happened. I am sure this case was discussed in length when Lindsey went to Massachusetts recently. And Chelsea, since hearing her on the 1st jail house call from Misty, definately is “in the know”. She may have even orchestrated their cover stories. I think Timmy is involved and that’s why Misty has kept her mouth shut this whole time. JMO
hgm and I have been teying to find that accident report from a long time ago and its no where to be found. And everyone on here knows if it is out there we would have found it. I want proof of the acident. HGM have you found anything sincewe last talked on here? I havent. jmo
It supposedly happened on their way to Gainsville and they were hit by a drunk driver so there should be a report somewhere. Hank was taken to Shands. Feb.6-7 2009 Friday night or Sat early morning. If anyone else can find a report on this we all would very much appreciate it. jmo
Lurker, Thanks for clarifying…..No biggie…It just kinda got me a little panicked, and I didn’t want anyone to think I was back blogging, when I swore off it….I only wanted to clarify it wasn’t me. You can’t imagine the scrutiny I went through over some of my postings and being ill, I jut couldn’t take it….My buddy with PCSO told me to stay clear of the bloggs….but I didn’t listen…being home on sick leave can cause one to go stir crazy. Again, thanks – Have a great day.
Earlier, I heard someone mention the gun incident between Ronald and Joe/Tommy, and what could be so significant about the gun. Could it be that this particular gun had been stolen (in a burglary) and Ronald would be in possession of stolen property? You know Tommy likes to steal and this could have been something stolen in the past, and Ronald either bought it or Tommy gave it to him to hide. Just a thought!
No problem. One reason why I do try to use neutral tagnames and keep my personal business off the blogs. I’ve seen several people on other sites and cases get cyber stalked and their families names and things put up just because someone didn’t like them.
We were under the impression that the gun was stolen by Joe at first but now after seeing Tommys rep for stealing guns it was probably Tomy the whole time. Joe was the patsy then and he is still being the patsy for the Croslins. It wouldnt surprise me at all that he did nothing in this case. jmo
Lurker @ 5:34pm – I understand. That is a clear and present danger here, too.
don’t have a link but on another forum this is what I could get from it… Timmy and chelseas (just boughten) used car was totalled in a drunk driving incident.. Hanks sr. and Timmy were both injured. Hank more severly. by a drunk driver that weekend… They borrowed that blue “family” van bcz their car was totalled. That’s why they were in posession of that van in the first place. Apparently Timmy was on prescription painkillers from that accident. they got the call that that haleigh was missing and after realizing it was serious and she was not just hiding, they all(chelsea, timmy, joe) drove to the hospital to pick up Lisa croslin who was staying with Hank in the hospital and then hightailed it back to the sherriffs office whewre they were all gathering. ( specific time of morning I can’t remeber but thought the call was made around 4, they realized it was serious and picked up lisa sometime a few hours from then in the morning) Only posting what I remembered reading just to show “why” they were even in possession of that van that weekend !
The story about fishing at the boat ramp came from Rons mouth and he claims Tommy told him about it. Joe supposedly said you can get rid of a body here easy with the gators. I have heard Ambers story about Ron saying he could get rid of someone on a bridge so, I feel a little hinky about the story and think it was actually Rons story. He has a boat and you can bet he has used that ramp before. jmo
And how can Ron be saying such things with no emotion in his voice? This is his daughter he is talking about getting eaten by gators. OMG. JMO
Treece @ 5:02pm – If there is anyone I do NOT want to read or hear it is that Dave. He should disappear back into the woodwork from whence he came. I am so TIRED of the EGOS involving and inserting themselves in these cases. I hope the door on his 15 minutes slams shut on his azz right quick.
Can you tell I’m a little riled?
Tobias, if you mean the tapes on the article about “Father Ron Cummings” (is he a priest? I didn’t know that) then yes those play okay.
Oh, the reason for the feelings expressed in my 5:44pm is that he did a very stupid thing and he is now making a very bad situation a whole lot worse.
ty I figured it out with help from mel22. jmo
I think alot of people are forgetting that Tn and another grandma were there at the trailer well past the time Ron went to work, so the possibility of being accidentally injured before he left for work is either untrue or those two would also have to be involved and IMHunmbeO, I don’t see that happening.again ,JMO
Tobias @ 5:43, that was my question when listening to the tapes.
Ron talking abbout smashing Joes hands shows how disturbed this guy is who would do that to someone? He isnt even sure who took the gun for sure. I cant blame Joe for high tailing it if he thought he was gonna end up being the fall guy.
Rons behavior when he talks about Misty and WBG is odd to say the least for someone who is supposed to be in love with Misty. And even married her like nothing else mattered. She slept with someone else and his daughter went missing but he married her huh?
These people get weirder and weirder with each tape that comes out. jmo
Mel22, There have been recent cases where someone has a head injury and felt fine and died several hours later. The woman at the ski slope comes to mind but I cant remember her name(her husband was famous). So we have to take that into account too. jmo
If Chelsea noticed the van in a different position then it would have to be that she noticed just as they were all going to pick up Lisa croslin at the hopital and then off to the sherriffs office. If JO “supposedly” went with them to pick up Lisa sometime in the morning then it would’ve had to been moved during the night and back in its parking spot before 4-6 in the morning. Who was driving that van that night is the real question.
I thought this was a really good show. I was so glad to have T.J. and Cobra back. I wish we could have had a 3 hr program, today. I thought there were some interesting things said about the Haleigh case. I hope T.J. and Cobra will come back, next week.
tobias, you’re right but then TN and the grandma would’ve known then too and been part of the coverup ( not disposing of) but the coverup for her son after the fact.. I just don’t see that happening but at this point anythings possible. I always keep open theories in my mind but I put less likely theories to the back of my mind. This would definitely not be the likely theory I would follow if I was a sleuthing detective trying to solve this case.
TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?
NEVES: I do believe she was at home. I believe she`s a very responsible girl. I believe — like I say, I had family members there that night, dropping off clothes, and so I know she was there up until a point. And I don`t believe that she left after that.
Notice qualifying language:
1. “believe” reduces committment. “to the best of my knowledge” also leaves her an “out”.
2. She had a family member. This changes to family members (plural)
3. I don’t believe she left..
This is sensitive to Teresa, which is why she continually goes to “believe” rather than simply state:
She was there.
My keys are locked in the car.
I believe I locked my keys in the car.
One is definitive; one is hedging.
I would like to know why Ron didnt call the cops when his gun came up missing? He knows the laws for owning a gun and if he wanted revenge that would have done it. Or was there some other reason that he didnt want the cops to find this gun ? We dont know for sure what gun it was and it could have been a gun that was uhmmm unregistered…. maybe the one CJ said he used in the road rage incident? It just makes me wonder because Misty said John B.was Rons friend and we all know he was busted for selling stolen guns. jmo jmo
“supposedly” Chelsea got the call that Haleigh was missing around 4:00… they went to sleep and pondered if she might just be hiding… they realized awhile later that it was SERIOUS so made arrangements to pick up Timmy’s mom and then race to the sherriffs office… This would’ve been the point she realized the van was not in the same spot as before. I wish LE would fill in this timeline or ask what time they made it to the hospital to pick up LC so they could evaluate the possible leave time ! Also did she notice if JO was there when they got the first call at 4 that she was missing or was he still gone at that time?
Peter @ 6:09 pm
Yes, but since TN was not there when GGma was supposed to have been and was not there the whole night I think it’s GOOD that she said she “believes” because she does not know it for a fact from her own experience. Half-empty/half-full cup. If you don’t like TN, then it’s hedging. If you do like her (or at least don’t dislike her) then it’s being honest.
Also Ggma was with someone else – I think Katrina Belcher but not sure – who is a relative.
None of these people speak well at all anyway so why we are nitpicking every word or phrase is beyond me. If they spoke the King’s English – proper tense, sentence structure, grammar etc. that would be different. IMO
Mel22 not all head injuries show anything out of the ordinary until they are xrayed , ctscanned or at an autopsy. Just so you know people have walked away from car accidents with no apparent injuries and later die from slow bleeds to the brain.jmo
Since the story being put forth appears to be centered around ‘the gun’ — in the tapes posted here yesterday it appears Ron is saying he hid the gun in the culvert for some reason.
But in Misty’s voice stress test she tells of the gun disappearing when Tommy, Timmy and Joe were there, how she went down to Tommy’s and searched the house with Ron on the phone directing her — then she tells how she left and Ron told her to look in the culvert and she found it there.
Was this Ron’s hiding place? Why would he tell Misty the gun was missing if he put it in the culvert or did I misunderstand the tapes?
Pete, after re-reading your post it sounds like TN wasn’t there then and that she only sent the grandma over to drop off clothes. If the gramdma just stopped by and didn’t stay long then there may be a possibility they were hiding something about Haleigh and a possible injury.. could’ve been as simple as falling from a swingset and they just gave her sopmething to kill the pain resulting in death a few hours later. Still not the most likely scenario in my mind but definitely still a plausible theory.
M2C, The question is why would TN question GGMSykes being there ? She is her mother and why would she not believe her if she said I went there and dropped off clothes? jmo
It only means that Teresa was not making a firm committment to her statement. It doesn’t mean she was lyig.
There are times when I KNOW I locked my keys in the car and I say it without qualifying words. Then there are times of uncertainty where I say “I think, I believe” and hedge. It’s not nefarious.
Teresa was very strong that she believed in Misty’s innocence (on NG show).
Did she send over one family member, or several? She withheld the name (s) or relation. “I sent my cousin over to check on her…drop off clothing…”
It doesn’t suggest much. I was only looking at her words.
Far greater is Ron’s
“How you let my daughter get stole, bi###?”
This presupposes much (and is the language of domestic violence)
Misty’s early mention of cinder block makes sense. When she mentioned the door, she was likely thinking of the body being disposed.
tobias, yes, i agree that they can happen later but I still only put that theory on the back burner since there are so many other players involved.
If she really believed GGMSykes was there she would have stated it as fact instead of hedging. Who wouldnt believe their own mother? jmo
When someone answers a question with a question, it means that they have been asked a sensitive question. They are stalling to think of an answer. You must determine: Why is this sensitive?
Casey was put on the phone with police by her mother. The first thing she answered the 911 operator was with “Excuse me?” She may not have expected her mother to do that and needed time to answer the question.
Joe Overstreet was asked, Do you know who did it?” Overstreet immediately parrots back the question “Do I know who did it?
This is a sign of deception, as Joe needs time to think how to answer, and that he likely knows who did it.
in this family i think there are a few who don’t beleive their mothers esoecilally on the hollars side right now. Is lisa Crosalin FH daughter? NM i won;t get into that it doesn’t have much to do with the case except gossip and mudslinging
WOW, Pete, good evaluation on the ask a questionn, get a question.. i’ll have to relook at those tapes.
Maybe ggma Sykes was there but didn’t actually recall if she seen Haleigh. According to Misty, after dinner [prob around 7] they were going to watch a movie and were fighting over which one. Misty says she let Jr watch Madagascar in the living room and she put Haleigh in the bedroom to watch the other movie. Maybe ggma only seen Haleigh covered up in the little bed?
hey pete, i just tried your website link and it won’t display ;are you sure its typed correct in the field.. maybe its just my browser
I may be wrong but I thought RC said “why’d you “them” steal my daughter, b*tch” which I always thought was so bizarre…… I am not trained in speech statements, however the wording from the first 911 tape was so very unusual in so very many ways….. and I am not referring to the fact that English seems to be a second language for these people, rather the sentiment seemed rehearsed and fake…… unlike Misty’s 911 call when someone took her purse… to me, apples and oranges.
Misty has NEVER mentioned A Sykes coming to the MH that night. There is no mention in any story she has told. Why is that? She says Tommy, the ACguy but never Rons GGMandAunt came over while we were eating. Why not????? jmo
Did the accident Hank and Timmy were involved in happen the evening of Febr. 9, or before?
pezzu, then why would GGS say she saw the kids eating on the porch and went and kissed Haleigh and told her to be good and that she loved her?
It was said to have been on Friday before but no one has found a police report or an accident report in the papers and trust me HGM AND i HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR IT . WE CAME UP EMPTY. JMO
tobias, yeah, honestly I have never seen or a heard a real legitimate statement or article about the grandma or others being there except in nonofficial forum talk.
Buddy, Good question. And how long did it take for that to come out? It wasnt right away. And if they trusted her so much why were they checking on her? jmo
buddy, never heard that the grandma actually had contact witrhe kids.do you what time was she there and when she left? that would help put a better time to the crime?
I am confused…. is not tobias talking about the car accident Timmy was supposedly involved in and Mel22 you are talking about the Cummings at the trailor the night HaLeigh went missed?? Sorry but now I am totally lost.
Misty did mention it in one article. An article filled with so many errors who knows what was right and wrong. It was a Gainesville article iirc.
We have to remember that some details weren’t discussed at LE’s direction. Still that way.
Their timeline begins post-GGMS so I tend to believe LE.
never mind just the delay in posting and refresing… I’m sorry got it now!
I corrected the link.
I do study (and use) body language, but I find it limited and without a good reference point, just useful for red flags. But, I have to say that Lillian Glass’ article is an interesting read.
If you say to your kids, “Is your father planning a surprise party for me Saturday night?” and they answer, “Party? I don’t know anything about a party!”
wear your best dress Saturday night.
If you ask your boyfriend if he was cheating on you and he:
a. answers with a question like, “How can you ask me that?”
b. avoids the answer but accuses you of suspicion.
Get a new boyfriend.
If you were accused of molesting a child, you would say, “No, I didn’t” and nothing would keep you from announcing it to the world.
When someone says, “on advice of my attorney…” and refuses to answer,
YOU have your answer.
NOTE to public: You, the innocent (judicially and factually) can NOT get in any legal, civil, or any other kind of trouble by saying,
“I didn’t do it.”
Lying is stressful and people will go a long way to edit a story rather than lie.
“I heard a gun shot. I found my husband. He was dead on the floor.”
All 3 statements are truth.
She left out that she was the one who shot him.
Thanks, Tobias.
She said they were there around 7 and talked with the kids while they ate on the porch.And she left clothes.
HGM and I checked the temps for the day and it was 60. For people in florida that is cold so why would the kids be eating on the porch?
Why didnt Misty ever mention in any of her stories that they stopped over? It may mean nothing or it may mean alot.jmo
Cliff Notes:
Misty’s call was rehearsed. FIRST Misty did not call 911 until Ron made her. TWO – Misty did not scream my baby was stolen – missing-gone-abducted-lost. THREE- Misty wants us to know she was sleeping, the door was propped open, child missing, our daughter, and Misty had only known HaLeigh 3 months. Call was a rehearsed persuasive set up call. The purpose of Misty’s call should have been a MISSING 5 yr old child. Not an alibi of “I was sleeping.” I loveD that little girl. Listen to ALL the people’s words in the beginning of a crime. Listen to the choices of words. Example: Cindy said: “George and I do not believe Caylee is in the woods.” After KC made a statement. “Caylee loved the park.” 5 months later Caylee was found in the woods.
Personally I think Timmy being on painkillers is just an excuse to say why they have them in there home.. if the accident happened as early as friday and he was released bcz injuries were minor then after the whole weekend you’d think he’d be fine and not pilled up. Only Hank was seriously injured and stayed in the hospital. It was a drunk driver so maybe his injuries were more extensive.
I think it was 9 days before Sykes dropped the bombshell — at least from what I have been able to find. I can’t find anything before that.
Peter, when the 911 operator asked Misty for Haleigh’s date of birth, Misty did not know, and she asked Ron.
Misty asked Ron for Haleigh’s date of birth, and Ron said, in part: “F her date of birth.
What do you think about his refusal to co-operate (to be helpful, IMO)?
BB12, I believe the words were I just woke up and our daughter is gone. JMO
pezzu , wasn’t it 9 days b4 JO was mentioned too…
sounds like LE didn’t really get rolling on this case until day 9… or at least some real ( and fictional ) answers started flying about
I’m confused. I read an online article last night, that this P.I. Brown said the killer is going to be no surprise but Simon says he was told it will be a surprise.
No surprise is Misty. A surprise is someone we didn’t think of……. like Timmy?
He did get the heck of dodge. Just saying.
Jason ,
You’re right;
she called with a purpose and it wasn’t to give information.
Did you hear when the operator asked for the address numerical??
Misty said, “What’s a numerical?”
Check out Lillianglass.com today’s blog on Ronald’s involvement. It is what Pat Brown has been vocal about.
I wll look for the link….it is worth reading.
Here it is.
Joe is withholding information. I think he helped dispose of the body and Misty is the killer, but facts are still coming in. I know that Misty lied and has personal reason to lie. Ronald has lied, and Tommy has lied and each one has self-preserving reasons to lie.
http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/2010/04/18/joe-overstreets-body-language-analysis-shows-signals-of-deception-but-what-did-haleigh’s-father-ron’s-previous-body-language-show/
mEL 22 Since Hank has talked about the accident on the police tapes we know the guy is in jail and had no insurance so there had to be a report or a court case. Hank or Timmy would be the deffendent in the case yet HGM(who is really good at finding things)and I have not seen anything about it.jmo
Mel 22 — I think you are right. A family meeting perhaps? Maybe it was the headline on the 17th of NEW LEADS in the case? I’ll check for the news articles around that time.
tobias, actually the the guy who hit them would be the the DEFENDANT. Hank and/or Timmy would be the plaintiffs. Maybe thats why you can’t find it. Try looking for it that way.
I do remember Timmy saying something to Misty about Rons Aunt Katrinas car and was that the Aunt who he (cant remember his wording) something to her car. If someone has the time they can go back and listen to the phone calls. They were in the very first set. jmo
Random,
I think Misty is no surprise, but Ron’s involvment may surprise us all.
pezzu, maybe by day 9 the family thought they had their story straight enough with each other to start releasing details around that time. There’s a lot of covering up and story straightening.. its all confusing
It would show up either way when you check the names out on records check. And most papers have accident reports when people are injured. jmo
On Feb 19th;
PUTNAM COUNTY, FL — Investigators say they have the pink shirt they thought Haleigh Cummings was wearing the night she disappeared.
“We obtained information through our investigation that young Haleigh was, in fact, not wearing the pink shirt as reported at the time of her disappearance,” Putnam County Sheriff’s spokesman Rick Ryan told reporters on Tuesday.
Same article;
Jacksonville station WJXT reports that investigators are following up on a tip that Croslin may not have been home when Haleigh disappeared. Croslin told Jacksonville.com on Wednesday she was at the residence and doesn’t know where the tip came from.
We werent checking for Timmy since he wasnt known to be involved so if HGM reads this she may go back and look again if she hasnt already. jmo
Jason, I may be a little late responding, but this is just my opinion about Ron not wanting to co-operate when ask about Haleigh’s date of birth. I just don’t think he understood that they already had officers in route. I think he thought they were just wasting precious time asking things like her date of birth. In his mind the person on the other end of the line was the one coming out to the home to take the report. I’m not saying he’s stupid, just naive about how LE works on this types of cases.
That’s just the way I understood it.
Hope to bbl. Listened to the show today and didn’t get anything done today.
If I don’t get back, have a great night everyone. Hopefully I’ll catch everyone online and can chat some.
Yes, Peter, it seemed to me a role leakage when Misty responded with “Numerical . . . what’s that?” because her voice went to a more normal, lower pitch.
THANKS!
pezzu. happened on the tenth, lots of conflicting info starts showing up on the 19th or 9 days after…Strange that all the weird happenings start being reported around the the same day (day 9) all I can say is WEIRD !!!!
Think of how Misty spoke on the undercover tapes: firm, clear, concise, and in command.
Nothing like when she put on a show for the Today Show…
I think Misty is no surprise, but Ron will be a shocker to many.
Storm,
what do you make of Ron’s many panicked calls to Misty, but then, at 3AM, he stops off to buy beer and peanuts?
Read:
BB12-Chris’ entry at 7PM tonight.
It’s well written. Pat Brown is convinced the 911 call was rehearsed. I am open to that.
I do know that the 911 call is deceptive because of Statement Analysis.
How and Why deception is what Chris (BB12 Chris) and Profiler Pat Brown have addressed.
They make a good argument. Another poster brought Ron into this; how no call was made until he got home.
I think Misty will be charged with murder, but Ron, tommy and Joe all will face charges related to Haliegh’s death.
Great quote:
“Ron. Ron! Ronald! I know you. I know you, Ron!”
Who said this?
I think (after reading Tommy’s arrest report on January 2010 for the B&E) that Tommy is the culprit. He can get in locked doors (he is a thief so they usually can get in anywhere) so the mobile home door would be know problem. Read the officer’s statements on the report. Very interesting to me and shows Tommy has a total lack of character and that he walks the streets late at night.
Peter, I wont be shocked I have never felt comfortable with Ron and I have gotten many unhappy comments about my distrust of his being involved. I see indirect involvement from him. I am wondering about that last phone call when Misty shut her phone off. And why he was so forgiving when she came back after being gone doing drugs and sleeping with someone else. I dont see him as the forgiving type. jmo bbl
I meant “no” problem. Sorry.
tobias–i also looked for that incident report of Hank Sr’s to no avail.
Good Gad, Peter. TN was not at R’s MH holding M’s hand all night so for TN to say “I believe M was there” makes perfect sense. If she’d said “I know she was there” people would be all over her for lying. Be reasonable!
All TN has to go on is that a family member was there at some point. And as I said many people do not say EVERYTHING in one sentence.
For example: First time, “My mom was there.” (Even though someone else was too). And then mentions the other person. No sane reasonable person would REQUIRE her to mention both people at the same time or condemn her for not doing so.
(This is ridiculous).
Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter”
Transcipt 911 call
http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/articles/3/Misty+Croslin+911+Transcript
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My earlier post was labeled “Cliff Notes” from the blog talk Radio Broadcast
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simon-barrett
I was merely pointing out what the expert was saying of Mistys’ 911 call—that Misty was setting her alibi up, sleep etc…
Peter @ 7:11 – Do you know that Misty dropped out of school in 7th grade. I don’t doubt for a minute that she didn’t know what “numerical” meant.
“Analyses” like these should be put in File 13 IMO.
Peter was it Geraldo ?
Tobias, yes tell HGM that the car that got smashed was Timmy and Chelseas so he would definitly be on the plaintiff list IMO. Even chelsea might be on the list as plaintiff since they would have to sue for damages to that car because the guy had no insurance to cover. OK wait … Chelseas insurance would cover her damages in response then her insurance would sue the driver for reimbursement since there was no insurance. Try looking for claims rather than a lawsuit by hank or timmy for bodily injury. Maybe that would be a better route. Tell HGM ( i assume you mean HollysGmom) since I havent been here in 6 months and forgot most of the ‘sleuthers’ here.
My point is that TN is only weakly asserting that Misty was there. Nothing more. I don’t think TN was involved but I do believe she knows far more than what her NG appearances suggest.
She sent family (one report singular, one plural) to drop off clothing. Does she actually KNOW, with certainty, that the clothing was dropped off to Misty? If so, why not say it?
Her qualifyer tells me that she is not fully committed to her statement.
It would seem to me to be a very easy thing to go ahead and ask the relative, since her grandchild was missing, “Hey, when you dropped off the clothes, did you just drop them there, or did you actually see Misty?”
Why is that a cause of exasperation? It seems logical.
Teresa used weak language. She may have a reason for doing so. She also gave two accounts; one singular, one plural.
I would think every detail of my missing granddaughter would matter to me.
She will read up tonight I am sure since she works most nights. I rarely stay on long enough to talk with her. I f she finds anything she will post it I am sure. jmo
M2C, I ‘believe’ Peter is referring to the difference in voice pitch when Misty said “Numerical – what’s that?”. He isn’t saying that she is pretending to not know what a numerical address is.
IMO, she was playing the role of distraught step-mom when she called 911, but leaked her role in response to the 911 operator’s request for the MH’s numerical address (and leaked her role during a few other, less obvious, times during the call).
m2c♥ said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Peter @ 7:11 – Do you know that Misty dropped out of school in 7th grade. I don’t doubt for a minute that she didn’t know what “numerical” meant.
“Analyses” like these should be put in File 13 IMO
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My research shows Misty dropped out in the 6th grade and moved around from various different states.
m2c
the “numerical” wasn’t analysis. It was humor. Nothing more, nothing less.
However, it does not take away from the science of analyzing the 911 calls order of importance.
1. I was sleeping
2. Door was open
3. child missing.
Do you think if your child was missing that it would be the THIRD thing you say to the police?
I am aware of Misty’s education.
A child of 4 years of age knows pronouns and can use verb tenses. Misty used a verb tense about Haliegh.
“I loved that little girl like she was my own.”
Misty spoke of Haliegh in the past tense because she knew she was dead.
You may learn this by tomorrow, or within a few weeks, when murder charges are brought against her.
She knew Haliegh was dead when she dialed 911.
tobias, ok i assumed you ‘sleuthed’ /colaborated with her outside this site.. i’m sure sh’ell read it b4 another article gets put up
Peter, would be great to read your analysis of the 911 call, and statements made by family members, etc.
I pulled up the Lillian Glass site you recommended, and see she thinks Flora Hollars is being truthful.
THAT is interesting, indeed!
I see what you mean a positive statement would mean total truth instead of feeling the need to hide something if asked in a follow up question.
Like if she said I know she was there because my mother stopped over at 7to check on Misty. Following question would stump her if they asked And why would you need to check on her.
Then she would have to tell more. This is just an example so you can see I know what you mean. jmo
Bill Clinton rocked the world of Statement Analysis when he said,
“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky”.
It is a strong denial, howbeit, not as strong as “I didn’t have..”
He distanced himself from Monica “that woman”, and her name and his “I” are furthest apart as can be (rather than Ms Lewinsky and I did not have sexual relations… or “we did not…”)
It only made sense when Bill Clinton explained his definition of sexual relations (intercourse). Shortly after his explanation he appeared with a black eye. He blamed Chelsea in a weak statement, but it was well known that Hillary may not have shared his internal definition of “sexual relations”
Tobias, at 8:03 pm; lieing by omission; manipulation by carefully phrasing what she says.
To protect herself/Ron from potentially being judged harshly.
She may have (or not) been more forthright with LE, I want to believe she was. Denial probably plays a part, too – sometimes acceptance of the truth is too painful, so we deny.
What was your take on the last time Ron was on NG and she asked about the divorce and Ron stammmered and NGsaid she didnt believe him? jmo
OK, Peter, please tell! Who said it: (“Ron. Ron! Ronald! I know you. I know you, Ron!”).
Peter, Pat Brown is an hooey as you are. Ask her former professors what they think of her.
Jason, I know who wants to believe their son could be involved and the natural thing to do would be to protect up to a point, then its total denial. Like the Anthonys they went too deep into saving face and protecting C that they ruined themselves in the process.jmo
Peter, a speech writer may have written that sentence for Bill Clinton, but maybe not, as Bill is persuasive.
dr.lillian glass:
What I found most disturbing was that he was SURE Haleigh was taken. There was no wavering that his daughter was alive. Most people who’s daughter was missing for a year would at least wonder if their daughter was still alive or had been killed, but not Ronald. That struck me as being peculiar.
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Well, TN and GGS have pretty much stuck to that line of thinking too.. Even after having been told Haleigh is most likely dead, GGS said,”We fully believe that until (investigators) can show us proof that Haleigh is dead, she will remain alive (to us),” Something Misty, Ronald and TN have all said from the get go. Unless they find her body, they will keep believing she is alive. Sounds almost like an admission that they don’t think her body will ever be found. Which now, knowing where Haleigh may have been dumped, it is a likely possibility that she would never be found.
Opinions are like?
Everyone has their own opinions and it’s difficult, especially under the circumstances, to get people to agree on anything.
Keep on doing your thing Peter. There are many of us who are appreciative and willing to hear you out.
Tobias @8:25, right; that is so true.
Tobias, I meant your 8:24 post, not 8:25 (that was mine!).
I could see her saying I know she is gone but part of me doesnt want to believe it.
And if she is said to be dead then someone is guilty of murder. If she is believed alive somewhere there is no murderer.jmo bbl
It’s a federal offense to lie to a federal agent, Martha Stewart will attest to that fact.
It makes no sense why parents at the bus stop would like to the FBI as to who it was the picked up the kids from the bus stop on the 9th.
I’m convinced Ron is lying and the problems started earlier in the day when people overheard Misty talking to Lindsy and a male in her car (probably Tommy) that they got some “bad stuff.”
Bad stuff would not be prescription drugs. It would be meth, crack, coke or something along those lines.
The problems started early the morning of the 9th with Ron about running over the parents and kids at the bus stop.
I can almost see the surprise.
“Bad stuff” is not prescription drugs? You are kidding, right?? Oxycontin is synthetic heroin…….. we are seeing one of the largest drug epidemics of our times, and it is prescription drugs!! Most drug dealers know the difference in arrests of small street drugs (marijuana) vs. the hardcore prescription drugs. That is the one thing that surprises me by the bloggers, thinking that dealing opiates is a small time crime… it absolutely is not. And apparently the dealers do have that part straight. Yes it truly is “bad stuff” criminally and legally.
No, that is not what I mean by bad stuff. Pharmaceuticals – they know what they are getting but when you buy powder or street drugs you don’t know until you try it; bad stuff.
Real pot v’s ragweed – ragweed would be “bad stuff.”
I’ll make a wild guess on who Peter quoted: Miz Nancy.
CROSLIN: OK. I put her to bed about, you know, 8:00 o`clock because that`s her bedtime. She had school. I put her to bed in her blanket and my blanket. My blanket was in the bed that they took. So we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that, and her blanket. Her blanket was — she had peed on her blanket the night before, I guess, and I was going to put it on there, but it smelled like pee. So I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with. And she fell asleep. And I come in there and put her blanket on her. And then I laid down.
And it was about — I mean, I`m not positive what time. It was, like, 3:00. You know, it was — I seen 3:00, 3:00 o`clock in the morning. I got up and — I got up because I had to use the bathroom, but I didn`t make it to the bathroom. I seen the kitchen light on. And I walked in the kitchen, and the back door`s wide open. I mean, I didn`t notice about Haleigh then until I seen the back door open. And then I go in her room, and she`s gone! And that`s all I know, is when I woke up — when I went to sleep she was there, and then when I woke up, she was gone.
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First Misty makes NO sense about what blanket or sheet she covered Haleigh in, also she said, “My blanket was in the bed that they took” I have always wondered about that toddler bed being on the floor, was that really where Haleigh slept or was that even her bed? In the other room they showed a bed frame for a toddler bed, was that mattress moved? Where was Jr’s bed? TN said, she first thought Haleigh was just “hiding under the bed.” Ron said he looked under the beds, but from what we have seen, there were no bed frames to hide under. Then Misty said, “And then I go in her room, and she`s gone!” So, was Haleigh in her room or Misty and Ron’s room?
Was the mattress on the floor the mattress for Haleigh’s bed? We saw the bed frame with no mattress, so is that the mattress or did LE actually take a mattress?
I had always heard it as “My blanket was in the van that they took.” I thought Misty was saying her blanket was unavailable that night because it was in the van…and “they” who took the van were LE.
Buddy, there is one interview where Misty has a green polka dot jacket on and she’s sitting with her mom next to her and she states that her and Haleigh’s blankets were in the van.
Was Lindsey’s van used to move a bed or a bed frame along with the blankets for some reason.
And if so where to?
Chelsea borrowed the van to move a bed or to pick up LC from the hospital?
Buddy, they have always believed Haleigh was alive. Where did Lillian get that?
Plus, Johnny and Marie also said Haleigh would never go outside in the dark. Of course she was taken. It was 3:30 in the morning. None of the three families (Sheffield,Griffis,Cummings) ever thought she wandered off.
Thanks Peter for the insight.
I could be wrong but I thought she said her blankets were in the (van?) they took .. They meaning THEY(Timmy and Chelsea because they needed the van for awhile since their car was totalled in the accident early that weekend)…
…if her blankets were in the van, then THEY borrowed the van before she got her stuff out ,then she had no blanket to use ,so she needed one off the wall..
.. i just think shes ignorant and inarticulate and with her sixth or seventh grade education she has trouble explaining herself thououghly and to the point.
I’m interested now in reviewing that again to make sure she really says van or bed bcz its been awhile and I could very well be wrong, so take what I posted here with a grain of salt!
Lori said,in April 18th, 2010 at 9:40 pm Buddy, they have always believed Haleigh was alive. Where did Lillian get that?
Plus, Johnny and Marie also said
Haleigh would never go outside in the dark. Of course she was taken. It was 3:30 in the morning. None of the three families (Sheffield,Griffis,Cummings) ever thought she wandered off.
Hi Lori,
In your first sentence, who is “they”? I don’t think its too wise to rely any statements from family members regarding that night. They have lied about everything.
I believe Haleigh was murdered by misty and/or ron and that is why there is all this talk of washing blankets, moving beds, looking under beds (when mattresses are on floor), etc. I think she died on her bed and her blanket had to be washed. It would also explain why the 911 call seems rehersed.
Joe’s not the only one out of state. Timmy and Chelsea are in another state PLUS they have conflicting statements. Timmy says he got up at 1am and Joe was gone and so was the van. Chelsea said on the Nancy Grace Show the other night that Timmy was medicated and asleep the whole night. The only reason she believes that Joe took the van is because it was parked differently the next morning. NO mention of knowing that Joe was gone at 1am. She has also claimed before that she stayed up pretty late going thru insurance papers related to the wreck.
viola, Chelsea’s statememts definitely need to be reinvestigated by LE, IMO. Her and Timmy’s statements should match if they are telling the truth.
.. also the statement ‘stayed up late’ is pretty loosely interpreted bcz for me that might mean 3 or 4 in the morning for someone else that might mean midnight if they usually sleep early for first shift work.LE needs to verify that up late timeframe to a specific time to the nearest half hour. I’m sure they have by now but I wish they would put a timeline out for casewatchers.
buddy…excellent post @ 9:14. Also, notice all the extra/unnecessary info MC includes (her 8pm bedtime, school night, etc).
I also feel that she focuses on the blankets a lot in this statement so I believe it plays an important role in the events of that night.
As I said in my above post to Lori, I believe Haleigh was murdered in RC/MC mobile home in her bed. I think it would explain Haleigh’s blanket needing washed and Misty’s talk of the “bed that they took”, that night. LE has also said that Haleigh’s bed was made up when they arrived (they had questioned if she’d ever been in it).
MC had returned only a few hours earlier from a 3-day drug and sex-fest. All this blanket-washing, especially the one off the window, is a lot of unnecessary work for someone who would probably be struggling to even be functioning at that point. I just cannot imagine that a 16 year old sleep-deprived, drug-hungover girl would really care about washing a blanket at 8pm at night. I think she HAD to wash Haleigh’s blanket because something got on it as a result of her death. And I am not thinking it’s blood but maybe vomit?
So, if little Haleigh was killed in the home, it would also explain why TC came to her house at 10pm. I think TC helped take her body to the dock.
I think “maybe” Haleigh got hold of RC/MC drugs and overdosed. It would explain why RC has never been mad at TC or the cousin from TN. even though MC repeatedly accused them both. It would also explain his lack of anger at MC and why he married her (can’t testify against him).
One more…it would explain why RC left the rat in TC mailbox. He is warning TC not to rat on him about how Haleigh died that night as a result of RC/MC drugs.
I do not have an opinion on how cousin Overstreet is involved other that her may have helped that night, as well.
The above is IMO and surely open for lively debate.
ChickyDo, can you post a link to that tape of her talking about the (van?) or (bed?). I’m curious now to relisten to that statement. That could change my opinion about this case.
I thought I heard her blankets were IN the (van?) they took
but now I’m reading her blanket was ON the the (bed?)they took….
… i’m not sure which one it is now and I can’t find the vid. Could someone pls post it? Thanks in advance !
I hope Peter will come back. I really enjoyed what he had to say. I think that this kind of analysis is just a part of being able to tell when someone is not being truthful. I think we shouldn’t get into relying on it too heavilly, but it is a good starting place when we look at a person’s statement. We need all the tools that we can find to get to the truth.
Ronald’s lawyer has put a statement out that Ron is beginning to believe that Haleigh was put in the river. He said that Ron is not mad at Misty, but he is disappointed in the fact that Misty didn’t tell him what had happened, if she really knew what happened. This is a very incriminating statement to me. There is something ‘really bad’ wrong with a father who isn’t mad that someone has hid the facts of his daughter’s disappearance for 14 months.
I think Ronald is sending another message to Misty to ‘not talk.’ He is saying in a round about way that he is standing by her and ‘not talking himself.’ I suppose he thinks we will swallow anything.
Nobody wants to believe their child or grandchild is dead, but I think this family wants to keep people thrown off from thinking about who killed Haleigh. If they can keep people looking for a live Haleigh, Ron won’t be looked at as closely.
M122;
i am almost sure that she said in the van that they took. I think you can type in Misty Croslin-News Runner on your google page and find that video along with alot more of Misty.
Even though the audio was not great, that was probably the best show yet. Could have used a few fewer minutes of Dave, but I survived. He seems an OK guy, but I was a bit impatient this time around and wanting to get to the Haleigh news.
Again, best show ever!
Sorry all, I know I posted that in the wrong thread. (Hey, at least I kept it short.)
Thanks Karon, i’ll check it out in the morning.
with your google tip.
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What was the date of that video bcz i’m not even sure that van was taken in by LE until alot later ( HECK, even the doors were not taken in until about day 9 )and I thought she talked about those blankets early on
if thats the case then the THEY she is referring to ,would not be LE…
I just looked it up, and Misty said, her blanket was in the van that they took. She said Haleigh’s blanket had been peed on, so she washed it. She said she took a blanket off of the window for herself and Jr.
So, according to Misty, there were three blankets: one in the van that they took, one that smelled, and she washed it, and one covering the window.
ok, then her blanket being in the van is reiterating why she needed one off the wall/window and THEY would be refering to Timmy/Chelsea taking the van as a loaner after the accident bcz LE would not even have it before she went missing obviously. Although she could be talking…. AhNM, its pointless at this time anyway !
so shes either saying…
You know. The van (they) LE took in for evidence ….
OR..
…You know. The van ( they) Timmy/Chelsea borrowed for the weekend
…if ya’ get my meaning!
…OR… is she stupid enough to tip off LE by meaning…
You know. the van (they) TC/ JO used to dump her body.
I think the latter does not apply ( but she could be that STUPID ! LOL
OK, cant’ sleep . Just thinking aloud.. there’s already a new thread so this is for anyone still interested in the blankets theory.
If there are 3 blankets, the question is which ones are in custody so we can distinguish which one was used to wrap her body in ( before dumping) , if any at all.
1) the peed blanket(haleigh’s) – i assume this one was already taken in by LE so it wouldn’t be that one
2)the one in the van( misty’s).. was this one recovered by LE from the van ?
3)the one off the wall to replace the one locked in the van( misty’s replacement) – i assume LE took this one in for evidence
if she was wrapped in a blanket , this blanket #2 from the van would be the specific one they should be looking for….
If LE has all three in custody for evidence then the theory of her being wrapped in a blanket would be shot down…
So does LE have all three in their possession would be the next good question from reporters. Which , if any, of these three is missing? or are NONE missing? or was she wrapped in the SHEET that replaced the peed blanket? – INQUIRING MINDS want to know-
The door to mh was taken in on the day Ron and Misty were married and the search on 17 was going on. That is about 1 month later for the door.
The third blanket was covering the window right?
Which blanket was Jr. supposed to use if there were only three blankets total?
My question sis, were all blankets ever accounted for?
When Misty made the statement about her blanket being in the van that *they* took, I assumed she was speaking after LE had confiscated the van. When Misty speaks she sometimes runs separate incidents together…possibly she meant her blanket was in the van that night and was identifying the van she was speaking of as the one LE had taken, all in the same sentence.
I have always wondered if Misty, or anyone, had taken anything out of the van prior to LE taking the van.
Was the blanket still in the van when LE confiscated it, or is that blanket missing?
I have the blanket and I am going to put it on ebay Friday night at 8pm central time.
VAN SUSTEREN: How far was Haleigh physically sleeping from you?
CUMMINGS: Probably not three or four inches away. She was in front of the TV, not that far away at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you say three or four inches away?
CROSLIN: I mean, I am not sure. It was not that far away.
VAN SUSTEREN: Can you hold up your hands and show how far away she was sleeping?
CROSLIN: Probably from both of these chairs put together from my bed.
VAN SUSTEREN: About as far as Ronald is from you?
CROSLIN: Yes.
CUMMINGS: No.
CROSLIN: No?
CUMMINGS: I know where the beds were at. They are about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.
CROSLIN: I was not measuring or anything like that, so–
If the bed had been in Ronalds room all along, and not just put there, wouldn’t Misty know who far away it was from her? She can’t even show with her hands how far away it was and gets it wrong twice.
Was she not there for the clean up or staged MH?
Ronald and TN seem to have it down, but Misty who has been watching the kids since Ronald started night shift has no clue. And, the look Ronald gives her in that video is priceless..
This is to raise money to get misty out.
How is it that Ronald answers are always;
CUMMINGS: I ask her, but I don`t get any answers.
Ronald Cummings: I don’t know Ms. Nancy. I’ve never really heard that side of the story, to be honest with you.
Ronald Cummings: I am not sure. I believe that it has, Nance. I am almost 100% sure, but I wouldn’t say that and lie to you. I’m pretty sure it has been disproved.
911 OPERATOR: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK, can you give me any — what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?
CUMMINGS: I don`t (DELETED) know! I was at work!
R. CUMMINGS: I don`t know, Miss Nancy.
Ronald Cummings: Ms. Nancy, I have no – no answer for you. I don’t know how it was miscommunicated.
Ronald Cummings: I wasn’t there when she was questioned by police Ms. Nancy.
But TN has all the answers? She knew the sleeping arangement better than Ron or Misty, she knew that Haleigh was wearing pink shirt, even though Misty said PJ’s to 911.
911: “Ok…what was she last seen wearing? Maam…”
Misty Croslin: “She was in her pajamas- she was sleeping…”
911 OPERATOR: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK, can you give me any — what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?
CUMMINGS: I don`t (DELETED) know! I was at work!
She knew Misty always slept with the door open, she knew why Misty would have not heard Tommy, she has answers for everything, but Ronald has no idea about anything..
VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?
CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.
Days later…..
TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?
NEVES: like I say, I had family members there that night, dropping off clothes, and so I know she was there up until a point. And I don`t believe that she left after that.
I will have to say some peoples imaginations are running wild lol.Dr L Glass who i like said
Could Rom have hit Haliegh before he went to work.An Misty hit her in the head with a board to wake her while she was on the bed.WTH!! Mrs Glass lol your imaginations running away with you.
Cobra,who i like Says Misty has sex woth her brother Tommy so she can minupulate him into doing her bidding. only a man would say that about a young girl who had nbeen molested/raped by the family men.Blame the victm.That what they do in court when a woman raped,they say well if you had not dressed like that,or went to a bar.saying the woman caused the rape.mY gOD I JUST HAD TO SHAKE MY HEAD IN AMASEMENT.!!!
HANK GETS HURT IN AN AUTO WRECK,BY SOMEONE UNINSURED.aN HE CANT GET THE MEDICAL TREATMENT THAT WE ALL WOULD SEEK IF HIT LIKE THAT.hES IN AWFUL PAIN.An probably would do anything for some relife.He surly can afford to pay for surgeries,or epadurals.But hes a dope head dr shopper,because i know for a fact the ask you to sing a paper saying you want go to other dr,if they treat you.But his other DR sent him there so he signed what he cant read.An Bamb hes arrested.Ihave done the same thing when switching DR.sO HAS MANY MORE PEOPLE.tHAT NOT dr SHOPPING.hE WAS SENT,LEAVING ANOTHER SO HE SIGNED THE PAPER.The man sure cant work in pain.An im quit sure with this mess he cant get hired anywhere.Shame before God this man cant get treatment because somewoman chose not to keep her insurence up,an let her man use the car,an he hit Hank.No compassion his way from anyone,well i have pain.Back pain.An i know how he feels.
Every crazy thing in the world Misty has done to hear many .Could she just have tried to defend her teritory,an they all got into a fight.An the child fell an hit her head,an they paniced.What she had just turned 17.What would our teens do in a mess like that.
Could they have planned the gun theif.When Misty was mad at Ron,while gone the 3 days.An changed her mind.Or simply forgot it.An these men came by cracked,an pilled up .an she was asleep,an woke to one of them raping Haliegh,or is that what Ron Jr saw ,Haliegh being raped.Then Joe put the knife to her throat,when she caught them,an the men took the baby abn dumped her.
Misty did bring the crack smoking up,an the woods.An some men on crack comit violent acts,sex acts they get freaky on that stuff.ANif the min pills an crack an speed ball,it really makes them crazy.
I have seen them on it at a old cuntry bar i use to go to,i would sit i shock at some things i saw.I wont reveal all of the reason i was there.Let say i knew th owneran went to cook outs..They would hang out out side.An many violent thing i have seen out of men doing this type drug. MOST FINALY WENT TO JAIL
Im sorry abot my typos.In my post above.
But if you had read what i wrote when they thought my niece was the brutal killer of her own child.Proven aftet 2 long yrs not to be true,they caught the killer.
People who are devistated will not act like you think they would,or should.I know first hand.An if their mind is altered from medication/or drugs,its worse.
They are in shock,all the family.They get confused when people stick cameras in their faces when they are so scrambled,an in much grief.All say well i would have done ,this,or that.Honey im here to tell you by experence ,to do with a child murder of a 2 yr old who we loved deeply.You dont know how you would act,or what you will blurt out of your mouths, when faced with this awful thing.Some go in shock,some get a state of confusion on them.Some dont come back from the trama of it.It is an awful heart,an mind thing.THEN YOU ADD ALL THE GOSSIP,LIES.camersa watching your every move.Go through it,an then look at your family being picked apart for every tiny word,or thing trying to make something out of it,that wrong.The murder the grief,the ripping apart by people,an LE,we surly arnt the same as before this hit our family. Not all in this awful saga knew what happened,in the families.
I wrote my 2:37 in hast,sorry ,im sure its hard to read.
I do not understand the cover-up of the gun incident.
I do not understand how RC could be at the site where Haleigh may be and speak of the possibility of her having been thrown in the river so easily and without emotion. This was in the initial days of Haleigh going missing; too soon for time to have healed, imo.
Hi mel and Karon,
I am currently working on a response to your questions regarding my post.
I will have it posted in 30 min to an hour to get your opinions after I clarify.
Chicky Do – Just to clarify one thing. You said, “MC had returned only a few hours earlier from a 3-day drug and sex-fest.”
She had returned to R’s MH on Sunday – afternoon I believe. Possibly earlier. And I believe the partying had stopped even before that.
Supposedly she and R had stayed up late talking and someone got Haleigh to school on Monday but supposedly R and M napped until it was time to pick up Haleigh at the bus stop.
Of course M could still have been tired that Monday evening but just wanted to straighten out that one point.
lfj says the doors were not even taken in for a month so who knows when they decided to take the van in as evidence. If they waited on taking the van in too for that long then any blankets inside might be missing.
…chickyDo, take your time ,I check in periodically, i would just like some real’sleuthers’ to verify whats correct and whats not , so take your time and let us know what you find. Waiting Patiently !
WBG, says he called misty monday morn and that misty
says she is with her father, at hospital, that monday
2-9-09, he does not give an exact time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6QY30jQ1Uo
more WBG
still says misty was with dad the morn of 2-9-09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkAPOfXZKQ&feature=related
So,was Misty in bed all morning or was she with her dad?
m2c. i think you’re right. i think she was back early sundy morning/afternoon and had a whole day of sleep before the monday incident. … (please verify this part if you could)but I dont think she went to the MH. I thought nannay said to staubs on that video that she (naynay) dropped her (misty)off to Tommy’s to sleep on sunday bcz her and ron were still fighting until they talked it out later sunday after sleeping off her binge ?#$
I know I’m a bit late but I wanted to respond to clarify my post and your questions. I made some errors in my post a I was going on no sleep for 36 hours. I am almost scared to post this now because I’ve only gotten 3 hours sleep since my last post…haha! I apologize for the length, but I really put a lot of work into this before posting it. This is all only opinion but here goes.
Borrowing from Buddy’s post, MC states the following regarding that night:
MC: OK. I put her to bed about, you know, 8:00 o`clock because that`s her bedtime. She had school. I put her to bed in her blanket and my blanket. My blanket was in the bed that they took. So we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that, and her blanket. Her blanket was — she had peed on her blanket the night before, I guess, and I was going to put it on there, but it smelled like pee. So I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with. And she fell asleep. So I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with. And she fell asleep.. And then I laid down.
Borrowing from Karon’s post:
“I just looked it up, and Misty said, her blanket was in the van that they took. She said Haleigh’s blanket had been peed on, so she washed it. She said she took a blanket off of the window for herself and Jr.
So, according to Misty, there were three blankets: one in the van that they took, one that smelled, and she washed it, and one covering the window”
And finally, borrowing from Mel22’s post:
“ok, then her blanket being in the van is reiterating why she needed one off the wall/window and THEY would be refering to Timmy/Chelsea taking the van as a loaner after the accident bcz LE would not even have it before she went missing obviously”
First off, as I said, I feel these blankets play an important role because she spends an awful lot of time talking about them and making sure she explains why she was washing blankets that night. I am not using her explanation of anything that happened that night because of all her lies about it. That was where my error came in regarding the blanket on the bed as opposed to the van. To me, it doesn’t matter where any blankets were, it’s the fact that she feels she needs to go into such excessive detail.
Breaking down MC statement:
Misty says: At bedtime, 8pm, Haleigh had her blanket and MC blanket (“I put her to bed in her blanket and my blanket”), but MC couldn’t have put Haleigh’s blanket on her at bedtime because she says that at bedtime, discovered Haleigh’s blanket had pee on it (“she had peed on her blanket the night before, I guess, and I was going to put it on there, but it smelled like pee”). Notice MC says she was going to put the blanket on but couldn’t. And again, MC changes it and says that Haleigh had her blanket and a sheet when she fell asleep (So I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with. And she fell asleep”).
And, why was the washing machine running at 3am when the police arrived when MC had said she was done washing blankets by 10pm according to her interview on the Today Show?
Initially, Misty claimed that Haleigh was sleeping in bed with her. Later, she changed her story to say Haleigh was in a bed in the same room with her.
MC also make statements about looking under beds for Haleigh.There was only one bed to even look under.(RC/MC bed)
Also, in this interview, RC is trying to tell MC about the bed situation when he wasn’t even there (supposedly).
VAN SUSTEREN: How far was Haleigh physically sleeping from you?
CUMMINGS: Probably not three or four inches away. She was in front of the TV, not that far away at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you say three or four inches away?
CROSLIN: I mean, I am not sure. It was not that far away.
VAN SUSTEREN: Can you hold up your hands and show how far away she was sleeping?
CROSLIN: Probably from both of these chairs put together from my bed.
VAN SUSTEREN: About as far as Ronald is from you?
CROSLIN: Yes.
CUMMINGS: No.
CROSLIN: No?
CUMMINGS: I know where the beds were at. They are about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.
CROSLIN: I was not measuring or anything like that, so–
1. 911: “911, what’s your emergency”
Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…we just woke up…and our back door was wide open, and we can’t find our daughter.”
911: “OK, when did you last see her?”
Misty Croslin: “Um, we like just…you know…it was about 10 o’clock… we were…she was sleeping- I …she?…cleaning…
Says she just woke up in the 911 call but she had been up for 30 min when RC got home and made the 911 call. And why was RC calling MC from the driveway, anyway? And again, if she just woke up, why was the washing machine running when police arrived?
And in RC first interview on TV, begging people for info, he says “I’d give my life for my child’s life back” as opposed to saying his child back. I think he knew that day she was gone.
Forgot to add that Misty has said that she went to bed at 10pm and did not wake up until 3am on numerous occasions and that is why I question the washing machine running when police arrive. She has never said in any interview that she got up in the middle of the night and started a load of clothes.
Wowwwwww,Alot of new stuff huh? Everyone gone again,I have a little spare time and was hoping to chat wiff my buddies about Haleigh!Man I am so behind!!!!!!!!!!Been so busy guys!They havent came to pick up my pc YET! So i am gonna chance it,lol
I cannot believe all this i am reading!
I went over to EyesForLies (luv that site btw) but interesting updated reading if anyones interested!
I just don’t know if i believe the JO tale!
You can tell hes a thug just by looking so wether Haleighs gone or not that fact remains,I think he’s possibly the scapegoat!
Hi CathyJo…I realize you might not be able to see this post but if you can…HI !
Since everypnes posting theories and i have time to make up for,LoL I wanna see what you all think of this theory?And it may be my last day here for a few,lol
Very interesting but it doesn’t mean i agree just very curious!
Actually It saddens me to even entertain the thought but something happened and it’s all too weird!
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FRIDAY, APRIL 16, 2010
Criminal Profiling Topic of the Day: Ronald Cummings, the Mastermind
Finally, Ronald’s involvement in Haleigh Cummings death becomes clear and we have Misty, Tommy, and the cinder blocks in the river to thank for it.
Here is why:
Misty and Tommy both know that Haleigh was tied to a cinder block and tossed in the river. The fact the cinder blocks undoubtedly came from Cummings yard means the crime went down in his house and nowhere else. The claim that Misty’s cousin, Joe Overstreet, kidnapped Haleigh from the house because he wasn’t able to steal Ronald’s gun is a lie because no one is going to drive away with a child, kill her, and then return to the house the child was kidnapped from to borrow a cinder block to sink her in the river with.
So, the death of Haleigh occurred in Ronald Cumming’s house.
The idea that another cinder block was used to prop the door open to facilitate carrying out a dead child is also preposterous. Many a parent has carried a sleeping child in or out of their house without needing to use a doorstop to keep the entryway open. And considering there were two (yes, two – Misty and Tommy), I am sure one (Misty) could hold the door open for her brother.
So, when was the cinder block placed on the ramp to hold the door open? As Nancy Grace would say, BOMBSHELL TONIGHT! Ronald Cummings most likely placed it there AFTER he arrived home. Why was it placed there? To stage a stranger abduction.
So what exactly happened that evening? Here is my theory.
Something happened to Haleigh just before or in the early evening after Ronald went to work. The most likely possibility is Haleigh ingested Ronald’s drugs and sometime just before 8:30 PM, Haleigh died. I believe she convulsed and vomited on her blanket before she died.
At 8:30 PM, it is reported Ronnie and Misty had an argument. He stepped outside of his work building to handle the call. Then Misty turned her phone off resulting in Ronald calling her phone repeatedly from then on. Then, supposedly he called Tommy in desperation to go check on her and Tommy drives over, knocks on the door, but Misty doesn’t answer.
What is wrong with this picture? Ronald has a bitter argument with the woman watching his children, he can’t get through to her, he gets so worried that he calls her brother to go check on her and the kids, the brother finds the house dark, and Ronnie STAYS AT WORK until 3 AM and then stops at a convenience store on the way home to buy beer, snacks, and cigarettes.
Rubbish! Here is a far most logical scenario. The heated discussion between Ronald and Misty at 8:30 was Misty telling him Haleigh is dead. He is cussing and freaking out, trying to figure out what to do. He doesn’t want to call the police because HIS drugs probably killed Haleigh. He comes up with a plan.
“We have to get rid of Haleigh’s body. We need to be sure it can’t be found and analyzed for drugs. We will dump her in the river with a heavy brick and then the alligators will take care of her. You get that blanket in the wash because we don’t want to explain the vomit and we can’t have that vomit analyzed for drugs. Turn off your phone. I can’t have you talking to anybody until I get there. I will call your brother and he is going to help you get rid of the body. ”
So, he calls Tommy who goes over and takes Haleigh’s body and dumps it in the river.
Ronald finishes his shift so he keeps his alibi solid, stops at the convenience store so he can be seen on camera with the time recorded. He arrives at the house twenty-five minutes later. One glaring error made was Misty saying she got up at 3 AM and finding Haleigh gone and the door propped open, she is neither scared enough nor concerned enough about getting a search started to call 911 or even Ronald. But, of course, Ronald doesn’t want her to talk to 911 until he is in the room and makes sure she has the story straight.
Ronald comes in the house, gets a cinder block, props the door open. He tells Misty to make the phone call to 911 and while she does, he can scan the room to make sure nothing is out of place that could get them in trouble.
Misty gives 911 the scenario Ronald coached her on and Ronald spends his time acting upset and stressing he was at work and just arrived home and that his bitch of a girlfriend “got his daughter stole”.
Neither Misty or Ronald ever search for Haleigh, or tell the operator or the police that they think a child sex predator got her or that some creep they know might have kidnapped Haleigh. I guess they didn’t think that far ahead.
Ronald Cummings is a controlling, lying psychopath who knows exactly what happened to his daughter. I hope the police figure this out.
Note: This scenario is a hypothesis based only on information publicly obtained with no access to police files. The words in quotes are a theoretical conversation. My opinion does not imply Ronald Cummings is criminal guilty of crimes associated with the Haleigh Cummings case as only a court can convict him of this. This scenario also does not attempt to address every possible suspect and every piece of evidence as this is not a full analysis of the case.
Now remember like i said before when ron was asked by N’G what he did when he got home,”he said,I asked her why she was awake,she said Haleighs missing and the back door is propped open…….he then said he went to the bedroom FIRST,looked under beds,closets…etc THEN he said he “SAW the backdoor open….then he saw the brick??
Hi Cath,How are ya?
cathartic said, in April 19th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
I do not understand the cover-up of the gun incident.
I do not understand how RC could be at the site where Haleigh may be and speak of the possibility of her having been thrown in the river so easily and without emotion. This was in the initial days of Haleigh going missing; too soon for time to have healed, imo.
********************agreed!
CathyJo, I am reading over the EyesForLies page again about RC/Misty…I had read it before and it basically confirmed every single thing that I had been thinking right from the 911 call. It’s interesting to read again now, with the new info on this case plus helps me confirm some other things in my own mind.
I’ve said all along Misty’s 911 call about being robbed was real.
Misty’s 911 call about Haleigh was rehearsed.
Me too cath,And now too this audii is skeptical of Ron?His intergview from jail,if you listen close he says,”oh no they know i don’t know who it is,they’d be investigating a homicide,he’s in jail for God’s sake and you’re right Cath,I have always said,That Misty was more tore up over her ripped purse than ever about Haleigh in the 911 calls!
I think it was just to hard for us who have kid’s to bel;ieve but now I am starting to think deeply and these old audios make so much sense now!
Shoemaker goofed. “LE told Ron ‘if you divorce Haleigh…um if you divorce Misty’…” Good grief, these attorneys re worse than the perps sometimes, I swear!
From the 4:22 mark! especially! and did she not look to him for the answer @ 7:12?that’s always bugged me!
8:40 watch that!!!!!!! he makes a plea but does not mean it at all imo,doesn’t even look at the camera to say he loves her and wants her back?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1PlszjkZ5Q&feature=related
I know Cath Like saying,Did Misty wake her up by hitting her with a board,wth?????
and every answer he had was the same,I dunno,I was at work!
Now its almost obvious!!
in that plea he has this big sh*T eatin grin!
Hearing Cobra’s tape of RC talking about Haleigh and the river, is making me think I have been wrong all along about my perception of RC’s involvement.
I have always thought RC may have been involved in the cover-up only. Now–after hearing those tapes—I am really having to consider that RC might be more directly involved.
I do not like thinking that, but it’s hard not to.
I almost think I believe i know who is involved! If that makes sense to you!
I understand completely Cath,I have the very same feeliing,why i said I can almost believe?
It explains everything,if you dig in it does!!
even the wedding!
And I know Cath,its the last thing i want to believe,I have always swore Ron covered but wasn’t a part of it…..i even believed he was an ol;der guy infatuated with a teen g/f ya know?? blind to the truth!
On that today show when he made the plea Cath,IMHO he didn’t plea,he knew where the killers were!
sorry i am ramblin Cath but i can’t help it right now,I just learned this…….today…most of it!
how the hello can someone do this and act the same as before!
his “remarks,like I’ll shoot him thru the cruiser window,I don’t care but then he’s brought to a meeting to learn she may have been (r) and murdered and he’s calm”and by people he knows???
I am so disappointed that i didn’t want to see it when now,it’s just too obvious,I am ashamed if it’s true that I stood up for her dad against her!
I think thats why it’s taken so long,no one wanted to go there,all the confusion now seem’s so clear to me!
I think too Cath,It’s why he said he’s not mad at her?????????? OMG
But also because before in his jail tapes,no doubt thats why he kept saying,she doesn’t know anything!because he knew the same thing she knew!
If you”re still around… (((Hey CathyJo)))
Yeah, he’s disappointed, but not angry. OMG OMG OMG
Need to talk to Robin, Lisagail@charter.net
Heya Adams,you here?
((((((((((Adams)))))))))
Wheres everyone?
Excuse me,but who is Lisa..I dunno if i wanna talk to her or not,lol
er robin.sorry
lol, I’m pretty sure I don’t need to.
Well, if LP does post RC’s bond (as his family has requested) Misty might finally tell all…cuz she won’t like him being out while she stays in!
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/update-on-haleigh-cummings-search/comment-page-2/
CathyJo63 said,in April 19th, 2010 at 6:48 pm and every answer he had was the same,I dunno,I was at work!
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No, CathyJo, he was at “WERK.”
Cathy,
Needless to say, I 100% agree w/ your theory (see my post above) although yours has much more detail than mine!
Actually, I’d never heard of the arguement between MC/RC that night. I was out of the loop for several months so that may explain it.
When I began catching up, I was floored at all the bizarre happenings. Most have been following this since day 1 but I had missed a lot…can you imagine what it was like to be reading all the crazy details in a day or two? It was like reading some bizarre, far-fetched story written by a schizophrenic (no offense to schizophrenics). I was so excited to post my theory above but apparently, most of my info is old news!
When the 911 operator asks MC what Haleigh’s date of birth is, she doesn’t know so she asks RC and he just starts cussing. I honestly believe he couldn’t answer because he didn’t know when it was although I will never know the answer to that. I just cannot imagine why someone would not answer the question.
Again, enjoyed post!
Chicky,I did so well cause it was already typed up for me,LoL I know exactly what you mean though!
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Yes Buddy,Hewked on fonix werked fur him!LoL
I have been scouring for the video i saw only once of when the detectives came by the mh to get ron and drove him to a lake where they got out of the car and he handed them a paper from his pocket and no cams were allowed but i think Kathy B. got enuff,lol to see that much of it,antyone know??
Its an older one!!! before any arrests!
I remember seeing that video, CathyJo. For me, it didn’t offer much since there was no audio of what they were saying, and you can’t see what is on the note.
right?????????? Thats it,good then,I don’t need it now,really i just thought maybe i was crazy but now you have confirmed it for me that it was real!
LoL Just got me thinking,pier,letter? knowing what we know now!
I find it interesting to hear how intensely LE grilled RC about his work hours that night and how he was able to get home at the time he did. Until now I was unaware that there has ever been a question about his alibi, even though I had many questions about it.
I wondered why i can’t find it,no one else mentions it ever,LoL
I know Cath!!!!I did always wonder though why he stopped to get beer and cigs after calling so much!
And too i thought,maybe he left his phone laying at werk?
Thaats why Misty was never afraid of having to tell ron anything or blooping around him! IMHO He knew already!
CathyJo…I never wondered. Store videocam…that’s why.
Mel22, This is about all I can find about the van timeline, weeks before 3/18/09
Published : Wednesday, 18 Mar 2009, 6:18 PM EDT
MATT SAFFER | FOX 35 News Affiliate Reporter
SATSUMA, Fla. – Sitting in the driveway of Misty Cummings former home is a van driven by her sister in law. The light blue vehicle doesn’t look like anything out of the ordinary, but it was something investigators thought important enough to impound and analyze at their crime lab for weeks.
I still do not want him to be involved. Not for his sake, but for Haleigh’s. When a child is harmed the horror is so much more vivid when a parent is involved. I think this might be why I could not see his possible direct involvement all along…because I don’t want it to be so.
cathartic said, in April 19th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
CathyJo…I never wondered. Store videocam…that’s why.
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Right!!!!!! Now i know!!
“Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said the technicians at the FDLE lab did not find any information on the van that is linked to the Haliegh Cummings’ case.”
cathartic said, in April 19th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
I still do not want him to be involved. Not for his sake, but for Haleigh’s. When a child is harmed the horror is so much more vivid when a parent is involved. I think this might be why I could not see his possible direct involvement all along…because I don’t want it to be so.
Thats exactly what i am trying to say too,but at the same time i don’t want to honor him in any way if he is guilty,ya know!
Hard for all of us to even imagine,I have a Grandson as alot of us here have kids too and the thought just paralyzes me Cath! A Chil;d harmed by the one person or persons who are supposed to keep them safe to begin with…..Horrid!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll never understand it!!
Buddy,Right!!
CathyJo, did you get a chance to listen to yesterday’s show?
Cobra made a comment that immediately made me think of you…just wondering if you heard it.
Thats why i never did and never will understand c/a….!! her grandchild and she helps hide the truth!
No Cath,I didn’t…have searched high and low though so i will listen now!
Alot of ppl don’t like Cobra but i do,he was doing more than Haleighs own family was! I’d appreciate anyones help at a time like that!
Mel22, found this in a timeline list
THURSDAY, FEB. 19
LE confirms a vehicle has been confiscated but will not confirm why, when or from whom.
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Most likely the van
I am gonna try to listen now,LoL I can’t hear the ron and cobra tapes,too much b/g noise,can’t hear a word of those!but i am gonna listen to the radio show!
OK, when you listen to the show, it’s more toward the end of the show.
And I immediately thought of your many posts about “another man’s dna”.
There is a Dave person talking the beginning of the show…you might want to find something to occupy your time during that, because it’s only informative for the first few minutes…after that it’s boring. I had no prob w/it because it gave me time to empty the dishwasher and clean the cat’s box, and do a few other chores, LOL.
Buddy,not sure but at one time they had said they found an abandoned vehicle in the woods,I don’t know the facts though,only that.maybe someone else can confirm!
I am trying to catch up. I am pissed off, as usual. I want to know why no one is questioning Timmy, Chelsea, or Lindsey publicly. Perfect example:on Art’s site, a video showing the yellow rope on the back door, but the video is also of Lindsey talking about when Timmy and Chelsea were questioned after 9-09 Haleigh sighting.
Also, let’s remember, the Croslins ARE NOT RELATED IN ANY WAY TO haleigh.
Can anyone tell me before I scream:
1. Why did Timmy and Chelsea borrow the van?
2. Does anyone really believe Joe is innocent, especially after hearing what his attorney stated concerning his “planned visit” to Satsuma, and then the planned trip back, funny how that coincides w/the crime>GIVE ME A BREAK!!
I just don’t understand how everyone keeps thinking that Joe is being used as a scapegoat!
3. What about the phone call Misty made to Timmy before Ron came home from work?
CathyJo63 the theory makes sense except for one issue…Why did Ron tell Misty to turn her phone off and then proceed to call her 90 times that night.
I don’t believe that Ron did it but there is only one thing that has bugged me and that is on the 911 call it sounds like Ron is moving things and shuffling things around the house (like getting rid of drugs, putting the cinder block at door, etc.). If he did just get home and Misty called 911 right away – shouldn’t he be screaming for Haliegh while he is looking and running outside screaming her name? This is what I would do. This is the only thing that bugs me about RC.
kitty kat said,in April 19th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
If he did just get home and Misty called 911 right away – shouldn’t he be screaming for Haliegh while he is looking and running outside screaming her name? This is what I would do. This is the only thing that bugs me about RC.
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Omg, I’ve never thought of that before! I have never thought Ron had anything to do with his daughter’s disappearance but that REALLY bothers me as well! I would be screaming my child’s name like a mad woman! Why wasn’t he running around yelling for Haleigh?
Ronald Cummings: 2/10/09 “I’d give my life for my child’s life back”
RONALD CUMMINGS: “All I want to do is plead for the life of my daughter.”
NEVES: She “was” not a child who would go out in the dark. So you know that somebody took her.
CROSLIN: “Everything’s still focused on Haleigh. This is what Haleigh wanted.
CUMMINGS: “It’s what Haleigh would have wanted.”
CROSLIN:
“I loved that little girl like she was my own”
CROSLIN: She loved me like a mom.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You have to listen carefully Joe Navarro, but she said, I loved that little girl like she was my own. Do we make anything of the past tense? Or is that just a figure of speech?
JOE NAVARRO, FORMER FBI AGENT AND PROFILER: No, we do make something of that past tense. And we shouldn`t let that slip by.
RONALD CUMMINGS : “I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her.”
action news jax top stories story Haleighs family is planning her funeral
justice4all – yeah if you really listen to the 911 call and put yourself inside the trailer and envison what Ron is doing it doesn’t feel right. I guess everybody reacts differently in panic situations – maybe he was completely paralized. But if Misty called 911 the minute he got home it seems he would be running around outside screaming Haleigh’s name. It probably took him about 15 seconds to look through the trailer and the next obvious thing would be to go outside in the woods and scream her name and look for her. Also – if Misty went looking for her before Ron came home wouldn’t she have gone outside and screamed her name and the neighbors would of surley heard that. But we all know Misty is lying. But listen to the 911 call again and really concentrate on what you think Ron is doing and the pauses that Misty makes in talking to the 911 operator – like she is watching Ron do something. It’s weird. Once again – nothing else that Ron has done has made me suspect him except for that one thing.
Ron’s crying has always seemed phony to me.
If anyone’s reading this any longer…CathyJo- I think you’ve come “close” to hitting it on the nose….a couple of details missing here and there, but finally….The LE in PCSO, I am sure, “know” – but for safety and confidential reasons, until they have this case wrapped up and sealed with a bowl for guaranteed indictments, it will stay just that….quiet. Good Job – IMO
Have a great day- MOO
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