Comments on: How Flow And Inference Can Change A News Article

By: looking for Justice

looking for Justice — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:06:19 +0000

Cathartic and Tobias, I agree with you both. It is in my opinion also that is the reason that Ron did not want to go back into the mobile home.
Texasmommy, thank you for your reply. I do believe if it is on the Sheffield side I believe Johnny Sheffield could have pulled it off. There was the one comment from Crystal that still bugs me. Crystal was suppose to have the children that week-end before Haleigh went missing. She stated that Ron told her no, because If Haleigh missed anymore school he would go to jail. I watched a video on you tube where Crystal says she picked up the kids at 6pm on Fridays and returned them at 6PM on Sundays. There is no way the visitation would have interferred with Haleighs school hours. Maybe she was wanting to pick them up earlier. If a child goes to school that day they are considered present for school even though you take them out early. This is not considered an absence. Perhaps Crystal did not know that. I am not sure why her comment bugs me, but it does.
Still praying for Haleigh to be returned safe. I know the odds are not in her favor, but I do not want to give up hope just yet.

By: cathartic

cathartic — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 01:40:52 +0000

A whole bunch of them thought their phones were tapped. Misty did. And Ron did not want to go back into the MH after it was released from LE. He said he couldn’t live there anymore but, IMO, it was because he thought it might be bugged. I will repeat, IMO.

By: tobias

tobias — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:45:07 +0000

Did anyone see Tommy talking to Lindsy about this having all to do with the drugs and why would Ron say that if he didnt think thats what happened. I wonder what the whole story is that Ron told Tommy and others that day?
I hope more comes out on the new tapes and Tommy gets his poly soon. All I can say about Hope is that she isnt hiding anything or pretending to be something she isnt. Which is a very troubled person who really needs mental help besides her drug rehab.And getting busted may have actually saved her life, she was on a downhill spiral.jmo

By: tobias

tobias — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:32:05 +0000

I cant believe the Croslins have the gull to say all their problems are because Haleigh is missing. All their problems have to do with committing crimes. Do any of you see the defense being I didnt get a fair trial because of the media in the Haleigh case coming up? When Misty claims they are ruining our whole lives I want to ask what about Haleighs life?
Misty ruined Mistys life by doing drugs and selling to a UC on tape. Also while being under investigation for a missing child, she even knew that the first week when she told NayNay she couldnt talk on the phone cause it was tapped. Even after LE told family they werent going away.jmo

By: Texasmommy39

Texasmommy39 — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 18:49:33 +0000

looking for Justice said,in April 5th, 2010 at 12:00 pm Texasmommy, I went to the link for Brians dreams. Although, I am not much on Psychics; I will not rule them out. I noticed that Brian stated that the father knows girlfriend is lying. What do you think he meant by that? My perception was if the father knows the girlfriend is lying, then he must know something himself. Brian then says the family knows. The part about Nolan St. had to have been about little Somer Thompson. Then I noticed something about not being in the same bedroom or not home until 2:13am. I did not quite get that part could you fill me in, please?
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Who can say for sure how accurate Brians DD are at this time. I ride the fence on this subject. I have met some gifted people and have no firm opinion on who is real or who is a fraud. I have looked at Brians site and have come to relize he has a gift, but, will not read into it and will not rely solely on his DD’s.
I find it interesting that he mentions that paticulare DD and the fact that LE wants confirmation that Misty was not in the home, but, can not say for sure if Brians DD is indicating what really happened.
If anything I have looked at the consistant information revealed in his DD on HaLeighs case and would consider those points more of intrest. How many times does the DD mention 29. Jacksonvill, RR tracks, she, red, etc. It is my opinion that the DD’s that I pointed out in January and Feburary are also linked to HaLeighs case, but, do not understand exactly what the DD is alluding to.
Funny thing about predictions you really do not know if they are correct until they come to pass and are revealed.

By: Texasmommy39

Texasmommy39 — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 18:33:47 +0000

looking for Justice said,in April 5th, 2010 at 11:44 am Misty thought her phone was tapped right from the beginning. Misty told Nay Nay she had to call her back, that her phone maybe tapped. I believe Ron more than likely thought the same thing. I hope they tapped all of their phones! I do agree woth Tobias’s observation of a Sheffield abduction. It makes alot of sense.
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I am sure she did and LE did have her phone tapped. She was the last person to of seen HaLeigh suposedly. Misty is 17 and her young friends obviously (drugs/prostitution, underage drinking and perscription pill/ cocain users did not need to talk with her on her phone.LOL
It is my opinion that it is odd that Crystal and Marie would have this concern. IMO at their age and circumstances and proclaimed innocence they should have not been concerned and understood it was procedure and wanting their name cleared in such a manner. In fact CS and MG did not want their truths to be revealed at all.

By: Texasmommy39

Texasmommy39 — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 18:10:32 +0000

tobias said,in April 5th, 2010 at 10:54 am I have a question on the Sheffield abduction theory. If this was so well planned out why didn’t they all have air tight alibis? That would be the first and major concern before any other action taken in a plan. This is one of the many reasons it just doesn’t click.
Another is if Crystal owed so much child support why wait till she gets served? That only would make for motive. Why not do it months before? jmo
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Don’t forget that drugs are involved on both sides and that is always a bad addition when intelligent thinking is required.
It is my opinion that Chad’s mistake was that stop for gas… maybe he needed it to get home and had no choice. The fact that Glen Saint Mary is miles away from Satsuma, maybe gave him a false sense of security and did not count on being recognized that early in the morning the same morning HaLeigh was abducted from her bed in the hours that early morning as well.
Marie tried very hard to give him an alibi, but, he was seen and has since been questioned numerous times probably because of that alibi Marie attested to was proved to be false.
Crystal’s passive aggressive actions in the past leads me to believe that she would act in a passive aggressive manner such as this. I believe timing was everything and things just happen to come together at about the time she was served.
Take a look back and notice all the changes that had taken place over the few months that Ron had been in the trailer located on Green lane. New locks, new job, new hours at work would have to mean someone close or able to get information on Ron, Misty’s and the children’s activities. ((((Watcher in the woods))) Ron and Misty’s alleged fight and Misty’s weekend activities could all have provided and provoked CS to act or someone else on her behalf. CS and her family had been on a DCF campaign for sometime prior to HaLeigh’s abduction and admitted that DCF did not do anything about their complaints. In fact DCF recommended that Ron move, because of complaints that caused DCF to become involved prior to NOV 2008. KP even admitted that DCF made her aware that they (DCF) had received the abuse allegations and pics before HaLeigh’s abduction. DCF investigated and found no cause to remove the children prior or even Jr. after HaLeigh’s abduction.
No charges of endangerment to a child has been put on Misty who was 17 at the time and with out a attorney present, told LE for 30 hours all that she knew.
DCF never ruled that Misty was a danger to Jr. after HaLeighs abduction and could of sought charges or actions against her themselves. She was allowed to marry Ron and live in the same home with Jr..
If we could see the truth it would be obvious that Ron and Misty did not have anything to do with HaLeighs abduction.
HaLeigh was taken by no forced entry into the trailer by someone she knew and her night shirt was removed and hidden in the dirty clothes from plain view at the back door.

By: looking for Justice

looking for Justice — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:00:48 +0000

Texasmommy, I went to the link for Brians dreams. Although, I am not much on Psychics; I will not rule them out. I noticed that Brian stated that the father knows girlfriend is lying. What do you think he meant by that? My perception was if the father knows the girlfriend is lying, then he must know something himself. Brian then says the family knows. The part about Nolan St. had to have been about little Somer Thompson. Then I noticed something about not being in the same bedroom or not home until 2:13am. I did not quite get that part could you fill me in, please?

By: looking for Justice

looking for Justice — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:44:42 +0000

Misty thought her phone was tapped right from the beginning. Misty told Nay Nay she had to call her back, that her phone maybe tapped. I believe Ron more than likely thought the same thing. I hope they tapped all of their phones! I do agree woth Tobias’s observation of a Sheffield abduction. It makes alot of sense.

By: tobias

tobias — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:54:43 +0000

I have a question on the Sheffield abduction theory. If this was so well planned out why didnt they all have air tight alibis? That would be the first and major concern before any other action taken in a plan. This is one of the many reasons it just doesnt click.
Another is if Crystal owed so much child support why wait til she gets served? That only would make for motive. Why not do it months before? jmo

By: Texasmommy39

Texasmommy39 — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:33:06 +0000

Morning Jan 57. I want to point out a few things from your post for further thought.
1. Haleighs night shirt
Haleighs night shirt was found in the laundry room under the pile off dirty clothes.
If Haleighs shirt had been found on the floor beside the toddler bed along side her tan shorts I would agree that HaLeigh removed her own shirt,but, the fact is it was found at the back door area and placed under the dirty clothes. Haleigh didn’t d that.
2. I do not believe they had intentions of taking Jr. Think about it for a moment, please. If a SO did this well they got who they wanted and if it was a parental abduction it would of been very obvious if both children where taken and they could not of blamed or frame Misty and or Ron.
3. In the beginning CS and MG claimed that LE was on Ron’s side. They where afraid LE had taped their phones. They felt the need to lie and spread rumors about Ron and Misty, instead of coming together as a family to find HaLeigh. It was obvious their attempts where to make sure that LE and the public did not look close enough at the obvious persons who had motive. ability, and opportunity.

By: Jan 57

Jan 57 — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 05:49:45 +0000

Long post ,misspelling but its what i think,an what bothers me so much.ill make my post shorter,im just getting some of this frustation out about this case. Bare with me please.lol im having emotional issuses due to all this mess.Precious Haliegh still missing,an seem the great drug but.Has helped none.So where does PCSO go from here.Send them away,an maybe they can feel god about how they have handled these 2 cases,but i dont!!!

By: Jan 57

Jan 57 — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:16:38 +0000

Haliegh could have got up an changed her own shirt,in the night.I would like to know if there were any signs to here wetting again that night.My niece use to do it,,she slept so hard shewould wet DR says many do that,an grow out of it,also theirs small bladders,a nerver growth issue that causes bed wetting..She always would wake an change going back to bed.that also could be the reason the light was on,she (Haliegh turned it on when changing)we dont know.

As for the brick,i can see someone blocking the door,if planning to come back for the boy also.or to be able to tote whatever they planned to steal out.If it was a thief,or SO,The blocking of doors may be their MO.i in my heart,or in my op believe Ron,or Misty Did not have any part in this.

In over a yr none have come forward to claim she was at the drug house,the club,at friends.Except that man who clearly,had mental problems.An then we dont know that whole thing could have been gossip.

It always leads back to Misty,because she was with the children,an PCSO are just as baffled as we all are.I do know 2 things for fact (Teens sleep harder than adults)(an those type drugs cause deep sleep),i can clean the bedroom all around them,an they sleep through it.An a 3 day,drug binge,as many claim.That 2 could have been blown out of paportion.Would anyone not think that with the run down an back lashs of all the meds allegedy in her body wouldnt it, cause a shut down,an she sleep hard an deep.

I an on oxycodone.(roxys)5 A DAY due to 2 serious issuses due to cronic pain.An they make me sleep way deeper than i did before on them.

I to have issue with over a yr no leak from what they call a strung out drug dealing teenager,an shes told no one,even when high((I just cant phantom that).An what may have been written in a letter,may have been plans by thoses 2 men to really steal the gun,an she just in her mind thinks they went through with the plan whhen Haliegh comeup missing.an fear of Ron killing them,or killing her because of them,could be the reason for silence.Fears a powerful evil,enemny,The plans to do this may never have went through.Even when with Tim she told the LDTer that she thought,they may have done something.When he did what i saw to be a botched test when stopping in the middle of it ,an telling her she was deceptive,an then resuming the test.Stress trigger the test,an she has enough to be stressed over,an even feel guilty about because Haliegh went missing on her watch.What her family,Halieghs family LE,an the world think of her.Shes a child by God!! just turning 17 at the time,look at her when in NY on show fisrts appearence she an Ron mad,she was a baby herself.No matter the smoking an the false tough girl attitude seen by us.Thats the world she lives in! All she knows!

PCSO Investigators ,all know everyone in this case .From prier arrest to TN, being a dispatcher at one time,to Johnny Sheffield being in LE before.I Think many may favor one side or the other.But when no body HAS BEEN FOUND found,no traces of the Missing child,in home or out.Normaly thats happens when some outsider takes a child,or teen.An Haliegh more than likly was murdered in the first 24 hrs.Somes loved ones havent been found,untill yrs later,when their bones are stumbled accross.

I dont know anything about this Joe,but from what i can gather hes real shady,An TC,any man that could be brave enough to creep in the night doing B&E,would know how to get past a lock.I was told that there was 4 keys to that back door not 2 .if so who had one,who had access.If a grown mans so strung out ,he could possably mess with a child.The meds alter ,as a drunk gets altered in their minds.

Im still concerned with the know Renolds young man who was a RSO,who did a former B&E,an was found guilty.He was held for a while in Putnum co. Live with mom,he disapeared,in that time range ,the car he drove was found near Marion county line.Last i read his mom said he never even returned for his paycheck,an todate i dont think hes been found.Now he lived about 2 hrs away,but could he have known them,an chose that night/early morning to stop by.All the rumors about drug deals gone bad.I just see many other avanues that raise the hair on my neck,an make me wonder if those people could have some how taken Haliegh from her home.All the known,an not know SO,there.That was a prime house hold to hit,if watched for a while

IT,could just be a coencidence that Misty had partied the weekend before.Just to many avanues,an over a yrs pressure on a child,yes by law shes of age,but in mind she was a child when Haliegh dissapeared,an still is.What a He!! of a thing to go through for over a yr,an may go down for,an the girl could be innocent.

The drug bust issue,they waited untill this girl turned 18 knowing she would be charged as an adult,an may not get youth full offender help,or treatmens.

An the arrest.her being called a THE RING LEADER,like shes some drug lord,UC was the ring leader he supplied 80 prcent of the pills.Thats just offencive to me as a grown woman,for the LE,To think im that stupid as to believe that crap,an look past some of the shady things they have done.

When i posted the drug bust from Florida,in wftv,those big time uncut meth/coke pot pill dealers,big time bringing into Florida drug dealers have bonds set as these in this Putnum/ST Johns case do,an these little minnows in the sea of big fish, are facing the same yrs as those seasoned drug dealers are facing.To me somethings very wrong with this picture.Any way its looked at!!! An i still have major issue with the 200 pills slid in for the bust at the end,how is it no one sees that as being very wrong,This could happen to anyone of ours somewhere down the line if they do get high or run with a crowed who do..an its a dangerious game when LE UC has that much power to do such decitful,very life Effecting crap. Out right sales are one thing BUT!!! The adding /or fusing of these,THOSE PILLS,an two cases,as they did .To me adds another issue im upset about.

If PCSO thought Misty was the culpret,then in the beginning she should have been arrested on NEGLECT,an they go from there,but if shes not guilty of that crime,her life to be placed behind bars,in a prison with hard core criminals ,this goes for all in this buts is just blows me away.That Ron who lost his child to this was offered 25 on a plea,an Misty a 1st time off.could face manditory 25-114 yrs.do you not think thats a shame.When 200 of those pills were supplied to tempt those drug addict weaken minded people,right at the time the bust went down..Not their pills,uc pills no money passed,no sales of them.An we as a people dont rise up against this taking place,because many just want to see her go down,i believe even if she had nothing to do with Haliegh,An a Ron who plainly doesnt care hes suffered the lose of one he loved,so he drowned his sorrowes,an now 25 yrs or more.

My heart just weeps for these 2,as it weeps for Haliegh,an Butterbean being place back to a mom who seem to have cared less about them,an has failed ,an refused a D test after she got him back for that i grieve in my spirit!!

By: Texasmommy39

Texasmommy39 — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:03:01 +0000

I just have to ask :What Male SO or not would prop a door, use the kitchen light and remove HaLeighs clothes before leaving the trailer?
I do not believe it was a man that came into the trailer and removed HaLeigh.

By: Texasmommy39

Texasmommy39 — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:52:58 +0000

Jan 57 said,in April 4th, 2010 at 4:24 am

“I just dont believe he ,or Misty’s guilty.The evidence issue the kept saying is inconsistent,i believe is just due to no forced entry,an DNA. believe thats happened before ,in other cases,no force,no DNA.So that tells me nothing about who did this.I THINK ALL ARE GUESSING ,EVEN MISTY,AS TO WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.Only the one who took,or Harmed her would know!”
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They would also know if Misty was there asleep in the bed with Jr. and HaLeigh or not. IMO that is why LE keeps asking for information about Misty’s whereabouts that night and early morning. Someone started that rumor that seems to have LE hung up and asking again and again for that someone to come forward to confirm.

All that misinformation that was given in the beginning, has fudged up this case for LE and the public. It was not LE or the Cummings family that created this circus it was MG and CS and the sleaze balls that where aligned themselves with this side of HaLeighs family.

By: Colleen from Chicago

Colleen from Chicago — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 12:17:48 +0000

ronfan,

Thank you so so much for taking the time to look at the website, and for considering adopting one of these beautiful dogs. One of them will soon have the best and luckiest day of their life becoming part of your family.

I’ve never been to North Carolina, but I’ve always heard that the people out there have some of the biggest hearts in the country.

Thank you for making my Easter begin so extremely happy and special.

Happy Easter and my very best wishes always.

By: Jan 57

Jan 57 — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:57:38 +0000

The drugs being taken into jails,an prisons.Its usualy the old places drugs slip by in,the newer are stricter,an watched more.

In Georgetown sc.that old jail before it was closed.Many would take drugs in,according to visit days,an who worked.An would tape drugs to the bottom of the small tin/metal trash can
that was in the front visitors rest room,jail staff even used those rest room,often.The trustee would come through empting the trash,an he would get the drugs an stash them.

Then he either deliver them to an inmate,who sold them for canteen,or money being put on his books from the outside deliver.Or get his cut for the pickup.They were tiped off about someone snitched,an the regular drug drops. stopped,before getting caught.

That jail was so run down ,they had to close it.The girls never went out side.The men got 1 hr.

By: Jan 57

Jan 57 — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:33:37 +0000

OMG,YOU HAVE ME CRYING!! about the dogs,an puppys.With what they are facing.I often wonder if they know what we are saying lol.Im sure dogs have a language all their own,an know what about to happen.But what can they do about it-so sad!!!

By: Jan 57

Jan 57 — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:24:08 +0000

Well he wont be calling Chelsea anymore,shes got an order for him not to call her,after that report.An Hank, nor Lisa talk to him.As for Lindsey she has a agenda her man.Maybe she can look over the theifts done to supply his drug habit.

Yes its sad Ron fan,i saw Ron,with his chilren dyeing the easter eggs,seems they had a lot of memories from pic,of him an the children.A lot of great one of him An Haliegh.I just dont believe he ,or Mistys guilty.The evidence issue the kept saying is incosistent,i believe is just due to no forsed entry,an DNA. believe thats happened before ,in other cases,no force,no dna.So that tells me nothing about who did this.I THINK ALL ARE GUESSING ,EVEN MISTY,AS TO WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.Only the one who took,or Harmed her would know!

By: ronfan

ronfan — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 07:22:16 +0000

Colleen from Chicago, Thanks so much!! I have already found 4 I am interested in. 2 are little boxer mix pups (brothers!) and there are also a large shepherd and an old “senior citizen” rottweiler (old fuzzy and gentle,great with kids) so now I have to decide. The shelter in Elizabethtown N.C. offers transport which is so amazing!

The 2 boxer mix pups only have 2 days left before euthanization if they aren’t adopted. They are in Elizabethtown NC.

*There is a mother and her newborn litter who are doomed to be euthanized this Tuesday unless someone comes to her aid, so very sad. She is NC; The look on her face is just so sad, as if she knows.

Sorry for the off topic post, but considering the subject, I figured it would be ok. Thank you again Colleen.

By: Dustyrose

Dustyrose — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:10:54 +0000

http://www.pcso.us/2010-4-1-a

LT Greenwood must be mistaken! Doesn’t he know it can’t be possible. Nancy Grace has repeatedly reported there are no drugs in jail!!!

By: Colleen from Chicago

Colleen from Chicago — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:55:35 +0000

ronfan,

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If you or anyone else reading this is thinking of saving a dog from a shelter, PLEASE, PLEASE take a moment to look at this site:

http://www.dogsindanger.com/searchReturn.jsp

You are able to search by your specific area and by specific breed.

By: ronfan

ronfan — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:45:07 +0000

Did anyone think it looked like Ronald had a swollen or slightly blackened left eye?

Looked like it to me, I just hope he’s not fighting or anything like that. I just feel such an intense sympathy for him, Easter is here and I keep thinking of the pictures of his Easter egg hunt for Haleigh and Junior.

By: ronfan

ronfan — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:34:02 +0000

Tobias, (sorry for the off topic comment here), I used to have Boxers, and I am thinking of getting another one. My husband is away on business alot, and I miss having a big protective dog.

I do have a 3 year old, so I am thinking about going through Boxer rescue for an older one that is used to being around small children, what would your opinion be, of course, I am thinking of an older boxer, but as to what sex, age, etc..i want to be sure..I would really appreciate any information you could throw my way!! I really miss having one, they are the best.

By: ronfan

ronfan — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:30:09 +0000

The clarification doesn’t quote Sgt. Mulligan as denying a polygraph either, so I guess it’s still a question. I don’t trust alot of Art Harris’ interviews and articles, because they are always attributed to an “inside source”, so I feel like I’m reading US weekly, or some other celebrity magazines!!!!!!

However, I do like asking him questions!! He usually responds, and I like “fighting” w/him!!!

How does anybody feel about how he seems to favor Chelsea and Timmy?? It’s just weird to me.

By: tobias

tobias — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:42:16 +0000

http://www.pcso.us/2010-4-1-a

Just wonderful, so PCSD have arrested a food employee in the jail with drugs, no wonder Hope sounds drugged up. I wonder if they found out who was getting the drugs she brought in? jmo

By: Kate

Kate — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:53:16 +0000

J- thanks for the intelligent post. Very well articulated.

By: Colleen from Chicago

Colleen from Chicago — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:07:11 +0000

Just a few of my own thoughts:

1. Please tell me who in their right mind would waste the time, paper or ink giving Misty another polygraph? Are you kidding me?

2. I think it’s fairly obvious that Misty is completely self-centered. From the moment she was arrested she started giving up every crime she knew her brother Tommy committed — even the big heist he pulled off where he stole a bottle of Dawn dishwashing liquid and a couple of sos pads — all for the sole purpose of helping herself. She NEVER ONCE even thought about her brother’s son or wife.

I heard a police det. say this on a radio show and I wish I remembered her name because I’d like to give her credit: the longer Misty keeps silent about what really happened to Haleigh, the more sure she is that Misty was the main perpetrator. I totally agree.
She wouldn’t have deprived herself of her honey buns for one minute, not for Ron or anyone else.

3. Last but not least, other reporters who are more sensational than factual, only make the really great reporters’ lights shine brighter. Thank you Simon & TJ. I wish there were more journalists with your type of values.

By: DustyRose

DustyRose — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 04:59:33 +0000

JMHO but it seems to me there are so many different officers giving statements to the public that it leaves the door open to this type of thing. IMHO that type of circus act reporting would not take place if one officer trained in media relations was updated on the case regularly and gave regular scheduled media releases. No other questions answered or interviews given but by that one source at that scheduled time. Having family members and friends on board as well who only spoke through a lawyer when lawyer said it was good to do so would slow that type of reporting down, maybe completely stop it. Is it my imagination or my failing to find one but I am not able to find one website for this child? One that updates regularly and perhaps allows a printable poster etc. This case is so incredibly sad.

By: Texasmommy39

Texasmommy39 — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 03:37:18 +0000

tobias said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm M2C, I get your point but I also see where some bloggers have selective reading of some articles like the one about Chad. I dont know how many times someone says he was brought in for questioning in Feb. when the fact is it was not confirmed. I think this is also a problem but its not with the article its with bloggers. And now I will be leaving for my hammock with the fringe and pillow. I hope you understand what I mean. jmo
************************************************Tobias, Are your referring to me asking questions in regards to the “alleged” questioning of Chad in February?

I want answers just like you. You have those that you want answers from that you feel had a motive , ability and opportunity and many others want those same questions asked by the those they feel had motive, ability and opportunity.

In the end we will not all be right with our opinions and theories, but, it should not be a argument of who’s right in the who done it just yet.
I enjoy your thoughts,humor and opinions,but, I along with many will not be disregarded because you do not see the value of my concern and participation here and my commitment to be a voice for HaLeigh.
Have you gotten confirmation that Misty has had a LTD?
Nor have I gotten confirmation that Chad was questioned in February.
So, what do we do?… We argue about who is right and who is wrong or what reporter is writing the truth and who is not and all the while LE is tight lipped.
That seems to be all that has taken place since this case began.
What is the meaning of insanity…… doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. HHHMMMM maybe we should think about that for a moment.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 00:51:28 +0000

Hi, Tobias! I hope your hammock is not in the dog house. I don’t think you’ve been “naughty” today in any way - although I have probably not read every single one of your posts!

Once again, everyone, get the smelling salts out or sit down or something: Tobias, I agree with you again (your 5:18pm post). I think it’s both, too.
A lot of what I said today was objecting to what I perceive as a style of reporting that is designed to be sensational and to lead readers in a certain direction even though it may be false. It’s very understandable for well-intentioned readers to get the wrong impression from reports like that. The other, as you say, is selective reading (and mis-quoting).

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:18:15 +0000

M2C, I get your point but I also see where some bloggers have selective reading of some articles like the one about Chad. I dont know how many times someone says he was brought in for questioning in Feb. when the fact is it was not confirmed. I think this is also a problem but its not with the article its with bloggers. And now I will be leaving for my hamock with the fringe and pillow. I hope you understand what I mean. jmo

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:05:53 +0000

Tuff Stuff, since apparently I cannot make myself clear to you please see the following comments which I hope will help clarify what I’ve been trying to say:

Tobias @ 3:27, 4:07, 4:18, 4:22 and 4:31
Vaquera @ 4:13, 4:23 and 4:33
Curious @ 4:18 and 4:31
and J @ 4:29.

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:50:35 +0000

Well after hearing the small release of tapes today it looks like we may be in for along wait on anything from Ron. Hope even said Ron isnt writing letters so he must be staying quiet, but what about visits would nt they be taped? jmo

By: vaquera

vaquera — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:33:19 +0000

I forgot Stephie..sigh. Oh well, I will save that rant for later

By: curious

curious — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:31:12 +0000

I agree Tobias, but folks will continue to spin, and spew their bs.

I also agree Vaq re tabloids, if someone wants that kind of thing, they can zip on over to Art/Levi/Steph.

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:29:32 +0000

Vaq, Dont forget the crayon man in the pile of useless and tabloid reporters. jmo

By: J

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:29:23 +0000

What a mess.

IMO, Art has been an untrustworthy “reporter” since Day 1 when he was brought in to cover this case by a person or persons associated with one side of this case (ie the SHEFFIELD/GRIFFIS side). Art Harris was paid by Cobra (as reported BY Cobra himself). Art wrote on-sided articles intended to bias the reader against the Cummings family, and to make Crystal look like a wonderful mother.

Art’s articles often contained mistakes, and his readers would correct him. The articles were then changed. I don’t know about anyone else, but I learned to take screenshots of his original articles so I could see how the articles changed and compare them to the originals. To this day, most articles still change as his readers correct his mistakes, or he gets new updated information. And Art is an investigative journalist? I think that many people that have followed this case do a whole lot more investigating into HaLeigh’s disappearance than Art does, although, granted, most have not spent 5 days in Satsuma like he did. Although, we do not pass ourselves off as having been there (and still being “on the ground” either).

Another problem that I have encountered with Art, IMO, is that he allows Nancy Grace to believe he is still “on the ground” in Satsuma. When she makes statements that he is there, he never corrects her. I often wonder if Nancy even knows he was paid to write articles for Cobra/Picazio?

The stuff that Simon has brought to our attention is disturbing and I thank Simon for pointing it out. Everyone should be aware that what we read in articles very well may be misrepresented. A sad fact, but a fact nonetheless.

Again, I thank Simon and Jan for bringing this to our attention, and I hope the smart people of BNN will always be aware of what they are reading. Things are not always what they seem.

God Bless HaLeigh. Praying for her miracle.

By: vaquera

vaquera — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:23:47 +0000

I have a laundry list of stuff Levi posted as fact and people took it and ran all over the net with it as fact when in fact he got his info from bloggers/posters. One bone of contention is Teresa drove 80 miles the morning of the 10th after she was called about Haleigh when in fact she lived at the 105 Rita Lane address down the highway from Satsuma, which is around 13 miles.

Those people aren’t real journalists, they are tabloid reporters.

By: me

me — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:23:00 +0000

Tuff Stuff,

I hope you enjoy your day. Hopefully Haleigh will have been found safe and sound by the time you return!

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:22:56 +0000

I dont think it was about TJ it was about how bloggers jump the gun and want to believe things that are not confirmed and AH hearsay from the sources he claims are reputable like Chelsea.jmo

By: curious

curious — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:18:28 +0000

I agree vaq, it’s to save Tommy’s ass imo.

And puhlease give me a break, there is no comparison between Art and TJ. And why bring TJ into the conversation about Art? Leave the man alone.

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:18:17 +0000

Vaq, Thats the problem some took it as fact and others took it as what it was supposed to be Chelseas statement which in my opinion is hearsay. AH writes it so the blogger who wants to believe it will, but they should read it closely. jmo

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:17:28 +0000

LOL Tobias. I brought some buttered popcorn too!
Take care

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:16:19 +0000

m2c It is a fact that there were posters asking plain as day why it was that Chad was being interviewed. They were asking as if it were a known fact that it indeed did occur. I did not name names. If you want their names you can go through the older postings in other articles here at BNN.
Other than that I am not understanding what you are getting at exactly.
No matter though. You clearly stated that you no longer want to discuss it with me and I am more than willing to be respectful in honoring your wishes on that.

Besides, as I said I have things to do today so ttyl.

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:14:22 +0000

Bye Tuff see you in the dog house. Do you have that hammock with the fringe and pillow for me?
I like comfort ahhhhhhhhhh.

By: vaquera

vaquera — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:13:32 +0000

Just like Art reported, as fact, that Teresa was asked to babysit that Monday night when in fact he heard it from one the Croslins SIL’s and supposedly Misty told her that. So did Art ask Misty if that was true or did he even call Teresa to see what she had to say? Hell no, he reported,double or triple, hearsay as fact.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:11:08 +0000

me,
At one point Hank accused Ron of possibly causing nefarious actions against him IIRC.

I don’t trust a one of them to be quite honest.

With that said,
I’ll kindly excuse myself from posting for the day as I have lots to be doing today.
Take care everyone.

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:09:18 +0000

Tuff, I get what you are saying about the Chad incident and how bloggers used it as a fact when TJ said it was unconfirmed. Its like some people block out the unconfirmed or take it to mean it will be confirmed as true later. But I also see the AH as being on a different scale and yes its sensationalism. Some is true but some is shakey to say it nicely. jmo

By: me

me — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:07:12 +0000

Tuff Stuff said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

But Chad’s allegedly being interviewed by LE should be viewed as fact?
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Who said that? Certainly not me. I think it’s a fact that TJ heard from somewhere that Chad was being re-interviewed, not a fact that it happened, just a possibility.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:06:59 +0000

Tuff Stuff, I assumed you were being a smart-A because I thought you had read all my posts and were thinking rationally.

But look at what you said @ 3:52 “But Chad’s allegedly being interviewed by LE should be viewed as fact?”

That makes no sense since the word alleged means it is not necessarily a fact. So either you are just putting me on about this or something else is going on. That’s why I don’t want to discuss it with you anymore.

By: me

me — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:05:15 +0000

Tuff Stuff,

Re her family calling her out as a possible liar….I don’t believe that even one person in that family is trustworthy. Her father Hank creeps me out more than any other player in this case.

By: vaquera

vaquera — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:03:03 +0000

tobias said,
in April 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm

Why would they be doing that? It just seems they are feeding info to AH and its not in Mistys favor, why? Is it because she is blaming Tommy? It makes no sense to me. jmo
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makes no sense to me either unless saving Tommy’s ass, at all costs, is more important than Misty’s.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:01:20 +0000

m2c you might be done but I am not. I am not being a smart a** about any of it. I am truly trying to discuss this all very rationally yet you apparently do not like what I have to say so you have dismissed yourself from discussing it with me.
That is your perrogative.
Now it is end of discussion on my end as well.
(Unless of course it gets brought back up again.)

By: me

me — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:01:15 +0000

tobias said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm To me the LDT has no importance. I also take what AH says as a probable but not trustworthy source. I always check to see what others are reporting about on the same incident.
The whole AH and Croslin as sources stinks to me. Why is Chelsea reporting everything to AH(NG) when they all keep stating how much they hate NG? Seems to me they are setting their own (Misty) up with all the info they tell him, WHY?JMO
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Tobias, wow! I totally agree with you! Except I think I’d use the word “possible” rather than “probable” when it came to AH.

And I also wonder why they are talking to AH…they know AH isn’t doing Misty any favors…so why do they keep talking to him and spinning their side of the story?

By: vaquera

vaquera — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:59:36 +0000

that is true, me. TJ said there was a rumor going round about Chad being talked to and LE would not confirm or deny

Art always talked about “his sources close to the investigation” which in the beginning was Kim Picazio and then Art wormed his way into the Croslin Clan. That’s his sources and Levi’s come from posters at boards and on twitter.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:57:57 +0000

Get the smelling salts out, ladies!
Tobias, for once we agree!
You said, “To me the LDT has no importance. I also take what AH says as a probable but not trustworthy source. I always check to see what others are reporting about on the same incident.”

And Tuff Stuff @ 2:51, you’re just being a smart-A now. I think you know what I’m saying about that kind of reporting in general - and it isn’t just AH who does it. SW and LP and others do it too. Since you won’t discuss it seriously I’ll stop talking about it with you.
End of discussion.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:52:59 +0000

And because AH has not revealed his sources also you think that we should all assume it is not a fact?

But Chad’s allegedly being interviewed by LE should be viewed as fact?

GAH!
LOL!

By: me

me — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:48:21 +0000

Tuff Stuff said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 2:10 pm And one other thing to note is that TJ Hart has also not revealed his sources in regards to the alleged questioning of Chad.
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The BIG difference though is that TJ didn’t report it as fact.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:48:01 +0000

She seems no longer to be a credible witness. Even her own family members have called her out as a possible liar. What value would her testimony be now? Could she be called testify against another person or person(s) as a credible witness?

If this were the case then she would most likely be viewed as an accessory and if you go by her more recent alleged statements regarding her Cousin Joe one would think that would be the case right off the bat if it were proven true as she did nothing to alert LE, or Ron or anyone else as to what she claimed to have witnessed or known about in that version of hers regarding what had occurred that night.

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:45:54 +0000

I think you could unless you are in jail looking at a long sentence, then I would say heck no I wouldnt be in love at all. I would be questioning why I got messed up in this to begin with. And couldnt get away from the guy fast enough but Misty is in teen fantasy land most of the time. But I think she is slowly waking up. jmo

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:41:13 +0000

Why would they be doing that? It just seems they are feeding info to AH and its not in Mistys favor, why? Is it because she is blaming Tommy? It makes no sense to me. jmo

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:40:55 +0000

Can you love a person and still at the same time wish that you had never met them?
I think it’s possible.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:37:57 +0000

Right Tobias, and so far we have heard from a few of her family members that are steadily implying that Misty is lying.

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:34:46 +0000

But its out of context and I see how it makes the story seem different to others who dont spend the time we have following all the facts as they happen. We know from the last most recent tapes that she says to Lisa that she still loves him.jmo

By: me

me — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:32:14 +0000

m2c♥ said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 7:52 am The point of Simon’s article (above) is one that has come up time and time again throughout this case. MANIPULATION of information to give the IMPRESSION the author wants to give - NOT to relay facts.

We’ve talked about it before in relation to a number of so-called (usually “self-called” “reporters”) as well as some bloggers.

In this case AH strategically placed Sgt Mulligan’s statement where most readers would assume that the word “it” referred to the LDT.

The quote by itself is no doubt true - it’s just that the Sgt was not talking about the LDT. AH made it look like he was, though.

I don’t appreciate ANYONE trying to manipulate the information for any reason - especially to try make us think what they want us to think. So-called “professionals” like AH know that perfectly well. Even some bloggers know it’s wrong but do it anyway.
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I totally agree.

And a big thank you to Simon and Jan for their courageous and truthful reporting on this case.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:29:57 +0000

Church choir I thought?
You do believe that she made those additional statements though, right Tobias?

Why else would that reporter have made those additional comments known?
She must have said those things right?
(I believe that she did.)

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:27:33 +0000

To me the LDT has no importance. I also take what AH says as a probable but not trustworthy source. I always check to see what others are reporting about on the same incident.
The whole AH and Croslin as sources stinks to me. Why is Chelsea reporting everything to AH(NG) when they all keep stating how much they hate NG? Seems to me they are setting their own (Misty) up with all the info they tell him, WHY?JMO

By: tobias

tobias — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:19:47 +0000

Dont forget the reporter said she was going to join the church too. He is taking the tapes out of context. Misty has waffled on her feelings of RON in recent tapes she says she still loves him. In earlier tapes she is done with all men and drugs, she is never leaving home. jmo

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:12:32 +0000

I believe in that same reporting done by news 4 jax at the end the reporter adds that Misty told her Father that she wished she had never met Ron.
I know that I didn’t hear Misty say that. Should I assume the reporter as a liar? I don’t think so.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:56:11 +0000

Does Misty roam the jail house freely at will and does she just go whereever she pleases without anyone at the jail arranging for her to do so?

I don’t believe so.

What are your thoughts about the newly released recorded jail house tapes m2c?
In the one where Misty says “He” is ruining our lives, or something close to that affect, who do you believe the “He” is that Misty is referring to?

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:51:25 +0000

(Snipped)
m2c♥ said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm
“Apparently it’s much preferred over the few facts we have.”

How so? You are implying that your theory (I believe it is just theory at this point.) about AH’s reporting is merely for entertainment purposes from what I understood from your posting. Can you absolutely prove your theory as fact?
Your comments that articles that are merely for entertainment purposes are much preferred over facts is merely an assumption of yours imo.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:42:46 +0000

Tuff Stuff - Read your comment. TJ said it was “UNCONFIRMED.” AH has not said that. So what if he “stands behind it.” It does not mean he KNOWS it’s true. It also does not mean it’s confirmed. And he STILL misrepresented what the Sgt said. There is a HUGE difference and it is NOT dependent upon revealing sources.

Look what AH did with that whole article. All the quotes he got based on telling people what may just be a rumor - what IS an unsubstantiated claim. Come on! He built a whole article on it. Even bringing L and T and T’s lawyer etc into it. AH even said that the failed poly “crushed investigators.” Come on now! Who’s his source on what “crushed” the investigators? All I’m saying is that AH’s articles have to be very carefully read or else one can end up with an impression not based on facts.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:37:47 +0000

It’s like asking why people buy trashy gossip magazines. It’s because that’s what they WANT! It is ENTERTAINMENT! And unfortunately entertainment seems to be what the masses want in this situation as well. Apparently it’s much preferred over the few facts we have.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:36:14 +0000

TJ Hart well explained that his information regarding Chad’s alleged questioning was unconfirmed and was being provided by an un-named source IIRC.

AH stands behind his reporting and he too declined to name his source.

That is the difference/similarity I see between the two seperate accounts thus far.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:35:21 +0000

I think after what we’ve seen from AH that you can safely assume he completely disregarded Sheriff Hardy’s message in favor of sensationalizing everything he can get his hands on (and maybe even make up) to keep the spotlight on himself (assuming that is his ONLY goal - and it might not be).

Also, when I’ve listened to TJ, I’ve always found him to be very clear when something is unconfirmed, that he wasn’t absolutely sure of himself. He’d mention that. There is a HUGE difference between the way TJ reported and what AH does.
It’s sad to see that some people don’t recognize that - or recognize that their own gullibity or willingness to believe what they want is ultimately responsible for all the garbage we’re fed. If we discouraged it, we’d soon see a little better and more responsible reporting IMO.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:29:41 +0000

Right m2c.

“Sheriff Hardy cautions everyone to stay within the bounds of their authority as they pursue their activities.”

That says to me that everyone is held accountable for their own posting contributions, including, but not limited to, media outlets.

Am I to “assume” that AH and even TJ Hart may have misunderstood Sheriff Hardy’s well explained message?

(I’m going to kick JB off your hammock cause I think I need a nap.) LOL!

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:20:32 +0000

Also, Tuff Stuff, I noticed that you were careful to say “alleged questioning of Chad” but I have not yet seen anyone say “alleged LDT that M allegedly failed.”
I’m afraid that sometimes depends on what the individual chooses to believe (not you, but others)

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:18:57 +0000

Tuff Stuff- Yes, I know all that about revealing sources etc. I would not be quite as suspect of this particular article if AH had not been quite so tricky (deceitful IMO) as to be sure to put the Sgt’s quote where it would look like he was confirming that there was an LDT. THAT is manipulation.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:17:00 +0000

Tuff Stuff @ 2:03 - Yes, I know. We just don’t really know for sure if or what it may have to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.

Here are a couple of excerpts from one of PCSO’s very few press releases on two topics of interest that we are discussing.

From BNN Article 121926 Aug 17, 2009

Excerpt from PCSO Press Release:
“Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities.”

And
“Sheriff Hardy cautions that because there are many who claim to be valid media outlets, that citizens should be careful not to fall into the trap of believing, or by accident spreading, the untrue and unreliable claims and assumptions of many bloggers who claim to be knowledgeable in the case. He also urges anyone that is assisting, or who wants to assist, to be cautious to stay within the bounds of their authority as they pursue their activities.”

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:10:45 +0000

And one other thing to note is that TJ Hart has also not revealed his sources in regards to the alleged questioning of Chad. Reporters/journalists do not have to reveal their sources unless/until they are so ordered to by a court of law and even then they can continue to refuse which places them in contempt of court. But it happens.
This is not a new thing. imvho AH is most likely honoring his source(s) requests in not being named.
That does not mean that AH does not have proof that what he is alleging is true.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:03:17 +0000

m2c LE has stated that Misty’s own account(s) of what had occurred that night/morning does not match with the evidence that they have obtained during their investigation.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:57:44 +0000

Tuff Stuff @ 1:08 - It seems there was a point in time not long ago that M’s family as well as TN and GGma Sykes kind of “caved” to LE’s way of thinking. In other words, began to believe that maybe M knows more than she’s saying or is lying or whatever. I have to wonder if LE has managed to convince them somehow (one way is by not coming up with any alternatives).

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:54:55 +0000

Tuff Stuff @ 1:06
What would AH say? He’s not going to reveal his “source” and that’s all I’d want to know so I can decide if the source is credible.
Otherwise AH has nothing to say at all.

Also, back when there were journalists with ethics as opposed to people pretending to be journalists, a reporter would never publish something without two independent sources saying the same thing. Of course, now watch AH read this and immediately say he got it from two sources. There is nothing keeping him from saying whatever he wants to as long as he never has to prove it. And he doesn’t.
IMO

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:29:45 +0000

OK everyone I’ll just be sitting in the dog house here chewing on a bar of soap. (eeeewah!)

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:22:13 +0000

I should have added figuratively speakin. LOL!
YUCK!

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:13:05 +0000

The flipping the bird thing is another trend of at least two of them, oh that and telling folks to kiss their a**.

If it is proven that any one of them is guilty in any fashion whatsoever of causing this little girl to be missing and/or if any harm has come to Haleigh I for one will be more than willing to oblige in kissing their a**es goodbye.

…Just saying.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:08:08 +0000

Vaquera the theme with Misty’s own family members and well even her long time friend Crystal have most recently been that Misty is probably lying. Why wouldn’t they continue with with this theme?

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:06:12 +0000

I wonder if AH might possibly be a guest on Simon’s radio show this week?

By: vaquera

vaquera — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:03:09 +0000

I wonder if Lindsy was his source and if she was how would she know? LE wouldn’t tell her that,I doubt Misty would have blabbed if in fact she “failed miserably”, doubt her lawyer would have said anything..

This is what Art said on his latest article to someone that asked him a question:

“Sandy–Lindsay believes him, she tells me, but wants the ldt to cofirm to the world, says he laughed when told Misty flunked hers. Art”

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:58:14 +0000

Tuff Stuff I agree with your 12:55pm.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:55:07 +0000

PS LE doesn’t have to reveal anything and can either confirm or deny anything they so chose to in their effort to protect the integrity of their case.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:45:35 +0000

As I recall the inconsistancies were noted by LE during their investigation and the inconsistancies apparently came from Misty herself. Misty’s own version(s) about what happened that night/morning prior to Haleigh’s disappearance, as were reported to LE, apparently conflict with whatever evidence LE has discovered in this case.

As for AH’s reporting of the secret ldt, as I am reading it the PCSO arranged “it”. It being a meeting of some sort from what I gather. Who is to say that this alleged meeting and then the alleged ldt weren’t arranged by two seperate entities? Of course psco would have to “arrange” for Misty to be questioned or given a ldt by some other entity if this were the case. Would Misty even be able to leave her cell if it weren’t somehow “arranged for” by either psco and/or jail staff?

For all we know LP might possibly have arranged for this ldt with Misty’s lawyers approval? I do recall that Misty had said that her lawyer was comfortable with what she had to say.
Maybe they worked out a deal in lieu of posting bail in exchange of information leading to Haleigh’s whereabouts or solid information about what had happened that night/morning?

Is it possible that LP paid for the ldt and that the available LDT giver happened to be a paid PCSO who had to conduct the LDT off duty?

If another LE entity had decided to conduct this LDT would PCSO be forced to pay for it or would the other acting LE pay for it via their own funding?

imo it is also very possible that Misty’s own family members or close friends could have leaked information to AH.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:32:23 +0000

Robin - The “secret” thing was made up by AH to sensationalize his story.

We all know that LE has chosen to NOT talk about the investigation since the beginning.
There is SO much stuff they have not told us.
This so-called LDT could just be another one of those things OR it never happened.

Another thing that irks me about AH’s article is that he uses the fact that LE is playing this close to the vest and pretending that LE’s refusal to confirm or deny means it really happened. AH said, “No police officials will publically comment about the polygraph. However, no one in law enforcement has disputed the accuracy of our account, or our sources.”

After being close-mouthed about this case for a year, why should LE let a scumbag reporter (or any other reporter) back them into a corner and FORCE them to discuss anything?

And I’m sure Sgt. Mulligan is NOT very happy after seeing how AH used what he said to make it look like he was confirming that there was an LDT. Tricky, tricky AH may have burned at least one LE contact for good. And I would not blame Mulligan.

By: robin

robin — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:24:21 +0000

Why would LE have to “secretly” give M a LDT? If everything is aboveboard then this wouldn`t even be an issue. Why do we not hear who else has taken a LDT and who else might have passed/failed one?

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:20:26 +0000

Thank you, lfj, for giving me the chance to explain where I’m coming from and why.

I figure there are a couple of ways to handle this kind of situation. 1) ignore it - just hold off on thinking anything at all about an LDT until it’s confirmed one way or the other.

Or, if someone wants to think about it, look at it from both perspectives.

(a) assume it’s true that M took an LDT and even assume she failed. What does it mean, if anything? And then ALSO(b), assume it’s not true. That she did not take an LDT. Does that mean anything (other than it was just another rumor - and if so why was it published?)

Usually with things like this I choose # 1 - I just put the whole issue aside until it can be confirmed one way or the other. It’s simpler and less confusing!

By: looking for Justice

looking for Justice — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:42:37 +0000

M2c I understand where you are coming from, but what if there was an actual secret ldt? Then what? I am not sure about this right now.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:39:55 +0000

lfj - I understand and I’m glad to hear that you “do not know what to believe about this at this moment.” Because one of the reasons that this kind of thing upsets me so much is because there are plenty of people who do believe it and sort of take off from there with more speculation, you know? And that affects what people think and say about the case. Sometimes that’s how rumors “become” fact even though they may or may not be true.

It’s really the “style” of reporting that upsets me - not this (the supposed LDT) or any other particular detail about the case.

By: looking for Justice

looking for Justice — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:21:13 +0000

M2c I am not going to argue with you on what my opinion to wait and lash out later. I do not know what to believe about this at this moment.
I examine all the few facts we have in this case. I support my post with BNN articles written by Simon and Jan and investigated by TJ Hart, as you well know.
I am not going to spit venom until the fact comes out that he was lying about the ldt.

By: m2c♥

m2c♥ — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:09:28 +0000

I guess I should have responded to your comment that “I am not going to accuse someone of something until I know for sure they reported a down out right lie!” by asking you if you believe what AH “reported” from his unnamed “source.”

If you do, then you are not extending the same consideration to the actual facts of the case (whether there was or wasn’t an LDT and whether she passed or failed it) that you are giving AH.