An article was released recently pertaining to the Haleigh Cummings case. It is amazing what you can do with flow and inference within an article. This article claimed that Misty Croslin had underwent yet another polygraph, and had ‘flunked miserably’.
Using some rather nebulous language it was inferred that one source of this information was Sgt Charles (Chuck) Mulligan who is the press liaison officer for St Johns where Misty Croslin is being held.
I talked with Sgt Mulligan a few minutes ago, actually I was calling about the latest DVD’s that were released on the case. I brought up the subject of the article in question. His response was that when he became aware of the article (earlier today) he called the journalist in question and requested that it be changed to clarify what he actually said.
At no point during his earlier discussion with Art Harris did he even mention the word polygraph. He also went on to explain that he does not, and will not comment on activities that occur outside of his area of responsibility. He did point out that the Haleigh Cummings investigation is ongoing, and as a consequence PCSO have travelled to St, Johns on several occasions to interview Misty Croslin. This event was no different to any of the others.
Sgt Mulligan is the link between St. Johns and the press, and he is an incredibly helpful man. Often times his position is a thankless task, and not one that is high on anyones ‘best job in the world’ list. Lets face it, who wants to have to deal with members of the press?
I did notice that Art Harris has modified his article slightly, a minor tweak has been made to it.
The paragraph used to read:
“The Putnam County Sheriff’s Department arranged it, picked her up and took her to an interview room in our jail,” recalled Sgt. Chuck Mulligan, spokesman for the sheriff’s department in St. John’s County outside St. Augustine, Florida. For all other questions, he referred us to PCSD, where no one would officially confirm or deny the Croslin test ever happened.
It now reads:
“The Putnam County Sheriff’s Department arranged it, picked her up and took her to an interview room in our jail,” recalled Sgt. Chuck Mulligan, spokesman for the sheriff’s department in St. John’s County outside St. Augustine, Florida who later requested we clarify that he didn’t know the nature of the meeting. For all other questions, he referred us to PCSD, where no one would officially confirm or deny the Croslin test ever happened.
It is a cute modification. It is subtle.
Having spent some time talking to Sgt. Chuck Mulligan today, I think it would be fair to say that at no point did he suggest to Art Harris that a polygraph was involved. While this might not have been a shameless ’self advertising’ stunt by Art, rather just journalism stupidity, it does give you pause for thought.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon and Jan - Thank you for the clarification.
Do you know if Art is being paid by anyone for the information he posts? Wonder what his motiviation is to continually post inaccurate and/or misleading information.
Where is Haleigh? Bless this beautiful child.
2nd!!
its shameless self advertising to the Nth degree. Thanks simon and jan
This is just disturbing to me… I do NOT understand the point of all this. Vendettas flying everywhere. Yes, you can be influenced by misleading info, but you still have the ability to search for yourself… then decide what IS to be believed! I mean come on… Now “journalists” are going to be policing “journalists”?
I went back and re-read what Art Harris’ article states exactly and from what I read he, “Art Harris”, did not reveal his actual source of the information. I am thinking that for all we know and could possibly guess is that potentially one of Misty’s own family members or close friends may have themselves shared that information with him?
Not sure what to think about it without having more information.
Maybe Simon would consider asking Art Harris for an interview on this?
I think Art Harris is a liar. I can’t stand another minute of him on NG lying about this case. He always has to edit his articles when someone catches him putting out wrong info….or out and out lying. He should be very ashamed. I think the original article did name a source but we will never know now that it is been edited unless someone got a screen shot.
I apologize for the double post. It didn’t post so I hit it twice sorry.
Catherin… ask Simon for it. He has quoted the old/new one… so it seems that he just may be in possession of it! You’ll never know, till you ask.
Yes, have old and new. Actually new has a whole new paragraph in it.
Ok, so was there a poly done or not?
So, basically, AH said Misty failed every question when it is not known if she even took a poly? This is not even just a rumor–it is a flat out lie! It seems to me Misty should have some sort of legal recourse against this and if that is the case I hope Fields pursues it on her behalf.
MrLucky…. Ha!! I lost track of that… good question!!
Was the Poly real or memorex? that is a very good question. The police force that the ‘poly giver’ works for decries all knowledge of the event, they do say that it might have been a private contract outside of regular hours of their employee.
Here is the part that bothers me. Both the FDLE and FBI supposedly have involvement in the case. Why would PCSO ask someone to ‘moonlight’ to do the poly?
I am so shocked…NOT!
I just may be missing it… I don’t know!! But, maybe this poly giver moonlights for the FDLE & FBI… also! When you guys figure it out… please shoot it my way!!
I’m still on Hope’s tape, trying to wrap my head around that… Youth offender/Rehab/Salvation Army comment!
When the bald guy started appearing on the NG show I don’t remember Why, When or Where but I do remember he was nothing but a wanna be. I don’t care how many rewards he’s got.
Thank you Simmon .
Simon Barrett said,in April 1st, 2010 at 8:38 pm Was the Poly real or memorex? that is a very good question. The police force that the ‘poly giver’ works for decries all knowledge of the event, they do say that it might have been a private contract outside of regular hours of their employee.
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My guess is that Misty has been interviewed by the PCSO p’grapher and wouldn’t have been ‘comfortable’ talking to that person.
Simon, you have a fan base with people that really care about this case. Why all of the personal attacks toward Art Harris? Didn’t he used to be a guest on your show? Oh that’s right, Cobra is mad at him. I forgot for a minute. Please keep your eye on the prize, this baby needs to come home one way or another.
When is this case going to get back to FACT? People who have an agenda or slander people for monetary gain are not journalists–they are sensationalists and gossipmongers. When the so called journalists are on the other side of a lawsuit. then maybe they will deal with “real” facts, not speculation and innuendo. It seems lately we have lost the focus on finding Haleigh with all the circus side shows and vendettas. Let`s all get back to finding the information to bring our beautiful Haleigh home!
There will be no lawsuit of claims that Misty took yet another polygraph. I believe it happened and it has not much to do with AH….Has a lot more to do with a person claiming inside knowledge and turns out there really WAS something going in with MIsty during the timeframe they claimed.
ANy udate on Tommy’s….also why would TC’s lawyer admit there had been a poly and talk about TC getting a new one….if Misty’s never happened? Wake up folks! Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while….
The point of Simon’s article (above) is one that has come up time and time again throughout this case. MANIPULATION of information to give the IMPRESSION the author wants to give - NOT to relay facts.
We’ve talked about it before in relation to a number of so-called (usually “self-called” “reporters”) as well as some bloggers.
In this case AH strategically placed Sgt Mulligan’s statement where most readers would assume that the word “it” referred to the LDT.
The quote by itself is no doubt true - it’s just that the Sgt was not talking about the LDT. AH made it look like he was, though.
I don’t appreciate ANYONE trying to manipulate the information for any reason - especially to try make us think what they want us to think. So-called “professionals” like AH know that perfectly well. Even some bloggers know it’s wrong but do it anyway.
But why? Why the need to misdirect the public as well as LE. Is it not obvious who has many hands guiding this BS. Tell me who took the focus off HaLeigh the missing 5 year old child, the true victim within 72 hrs?
I have seen it said and repeated that the Cummings have taken money, solicited money, sold items in HaLeigh’s name for money and has been involved in fraud in regards to money that was donated in HaLeigh’s name for search and or recovery. I want to know why is the Cumming’s name being associated with this behavior? It is the Sheffield’s and Griff’s that have done all this and more not the Cummings.
TM39 -
Hi, TM39! At this point, AH is probably doing it for his own benefit - to keep his place on NG etc. But originally, yes, he was hired by the bio-mom’s side to steer the public’s eye away from their pimples.
Unfortunately a lot of bottom-feeding, money-grubbing lowlifes have attached themselves like blood-sucking leeches to this case. People who seek and publish gossip and rumor to benefit themselves. AH is not the only one. AND there is an equally lousy and inaccurate self-proclaimed “reporter” who skews things the other way.
It’s just an awful mess both in the world of (wish I could call it) “journalism” and the (wish I could call it) “justice.”
My only hope is that Haleigh comes home or we find out the truth to what happened to her. In the end I am sure we will find out if this ldt did happen. It seems noone is really confirming or denying due to the fact I believe it was not to leaked out. I would only hope that no journalist or reporter would report such false info, there fore I will not lash out until it has been confirmed that this ldt did not happen.
In my opinion it goes far beyond the inserted “reporters”. In the beginning Misty’s inconsistencies where being reported, because, of bad reporting from day one. Le never said anything about inconsistencies until it had been an issue with news media and NG. In fact JH said that there was alot of misinformation going on. IMO that means many where giving misinformation, not just Misty, but, how the reporter sliced and diced that interview it made it appear it was only Misty.
I need to run in to town will be back later.
One more thing would it not help LE if the public and the abductor ddn’t know the truth about LE’s investigation. LE close to the vest investigation doesn’t seem so secret if you read what has been written over the last year.
How many came forward to KP to tell DCF that Ron abused his children? How many came forward to KP saying that Misty was not home in the begining and LE has been asking them to come forward since to confirm Misty was not home that night?
lfj - You said, “I would only hope that no journalist or reporter would report such false info, there fore I will not lash out until it has been confirmed that this ldt did not happen.”
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To me that’s backwards. Anyone (including AH) can say “A source told me X..”
What you are saying, is that you will believe that until someone denies it.
What if it was to be kept confidential? What if someone DID deny it? Who are you going to believe then?
IMO that point of view encourages the muckrakers to claim anything they want to with the excuse that a “source” (who they won’t name) told them. And that puts the burden on others. That’s just wrong.
Shall I claim (for example ONLY) that “a source told me that you are Britney Spears” and everyone will believe that until you are forced to sacrifice your privacy and anonymity to prove that you are NOT Britney Spears?”
God save us if that’s what “journalism” has come to.
m2c, I am not going to accuse someone of something until I know for sure they reported a down out right lie! I would not condone this!! Do you know for absolute that AH is lying about this ldt? I understand your opinions of him. Just like we have some opinions about the players in Haleighs disappearance , but we do not want them charged and sentenced with a crime they did not committ. The truth will reveal itself. It always does.
lfj - What I’m accusing AH of is bottom-feeding, muckraking rumor mongering under the guise of “journalism.” Spreading unsubstantiated gossip.
The questions of whether or not there was an LDT and whether or not M “failed miserably” are moot. Until that is confirmed by a reliable KNOWN source, to me it is like it was never even said. EXCEPT that the person who said it (AH) is a bottom-feeing, muckraking, gossip. It’s irresponsible and self-serving.
I guess I should have responded to your comment that “I am not going to accuse someone of something until I know for sure they reported a down out right lie!” by asking you if you believe what AH “reported” from his unnamed “source.”
If you do, then you are not extending the same consideration to the actual facts of the case (whether there was or wasn’t an LDT and whether she passed or failed it) that you are giving AH.
M2c I am not going to argue with you on what my opinion to wait and lash out later. I do not know what to believe about this at this moment.
I examine all the few facts we have in this case. I support my post with BNN articles written by Simon and Jan and investigated by TJ Hart, as you well know.
I am not going to spit venom until the fact comes out that he was lying about the ldt.
lfj - I understand and I’m glad to hear that you “do not know what to believe about this at this moment.” Because one of the reasons that this kind of thing upsets me so much is because there are plenty of people who do believe it and sort of take off from there with more speculation, you know? And that affects what people think and say about the case. Sometimes that’s how rumors “become” fact even though they may or may not be true.
It’s really the “style” of reporting that upsets me - not this (the supposed LDT) or any other particular detail about the case.
M2c I understand where you are coming from, but what if there was an actual secret ldt? Then what? I am not sure about this right now.
Thank you, lfj, for giving me the chance to explain where I’m coming from and why.
I figure there are a couple of ways to handle this kind of situation. 1) ignore it - just hold off on thinking anything at all about an LDT until it’s confirmed one way or the other.
Or, if someone wants to think about it, look at it from both perspectives.
(a) assume it’s true that M took an LDT and even assume she failed. What does it mean, if anything? And then ALSO(b), assume it’s not true. That she did not take an LDT. Does that mean anything (other than it was just another rumor - and if so why was it published?)
Usually with things like this I choose # 1 - I just put the whole issue aside until it can be confirmed one way or the other. It’s simpler and less confusing!
Why would LE have to “secretly” give M a LDT? If everything is aboveboard then this wouldn`t even be an issue. Why do we not hear who else has taken a LDT and who else might have passed/failed one?
Robin - The “secret” thing was made up by AH to sensationalize his story.
We all know that LE has chosen to NOT talk about the investigation since the beginning.
There is SO much stuff they have not told us.
This so-called LDT could just be another one of those things OR it never happened.
Another thing that irks me about AH’s article is that he uses the fact that LE is playing this close to the vest and pretending that LE’s refusal to confirm or deny means it really happened. AH said, “No police officials will publically comment about the polygraph. However, no one in law enforcement has disputed the accuracy of our account, or our sources.”
After being close-mouthed about this case for a year, why should LE let a scumbag reporter (or any other reporter) back them into a corner and FORCE them to discuss anything?
And I’m sure Sgt. Mulligan is NOT very happy after seeing how AH used what he said to make it look like he was confirming that there was an LDT. Tricky, tricky AH may have burned at least one LE contact for good. And I would not blame Mulligan.
As I recall the inconsistancies were noted by LE during their investigation and the inconsistancies apparently came from Misty herself. Misty’s own version(s) about what happened that night/morning prior to Haleigh’s disappearance, as were reported to LE, apparently conflict with whatever evidence LE has discovered in this case.
As for AH’s reporting of the secret ldt, as I am reading it the PCSO arranged “it”. It being a meeting of some sort from what I gather. Who is to say that this alleged meeting and then the alleged ldt weren’t arranged by two seperate entities? Of course psco would have to “arrange” for Misty to be questioned or given a ldt by some other entity if this were the case. Would Misty even be able to leave her cell if it weren’t somehow “arranged for” by either psco and/or jail staff?
For all we know LP might possibly have arranged for this ldt with Misty’s lawyers approval? I do recall that Misty had said that her lawyer was comfortable with what she had to say.
Maybe they worked out a deal in lieu of posting bail in exchange of information leading to Haleigh’s whereabouts or solid information about what had happened that night/morning?
Is it possible that LP paid for the ldt and that the available LDT giver happened to be a paid PCSO who had to conduct the LDT off duty?
If another LE entity had decided to conduct this LDT would PCSO be forced to pay for it or would the other acting LE pay for it via their own funding?
imo it is also very possible that Misty’s own family members or close friends could have leaked information to AH.
PS LE doesn’t have to reveal anything and can either confirm or deny anything they so chose to in their effort to protect the integrity of their case.
Tuff Stuff I agree with your 12:55pm.
I wonder if Lindsy was his source and if she was how would she know? LE wouldn’t tell her that,I doubt Misty would have blabbed if in fact she “failed miserably”, doubt her lawyer would have said anything..
This is what Art said on his latest article to someone that asked him a question:
“Sandy–Lindsay believes him, she tells me, but wants the ldt to cofirm to the world, says he laughed when told Misty flunked hers. Art”
I wonder if AH might possibly be a guest on Simon’s radio show this week?
Vaquera the theme with Misty’s own family members and well even her long time friend Crystal have most recently been that Misty is probably lying. Why wouldn’t they continue with with this theme?
The flipping the bird thing is another trend of at least two of them, oh that and telling folks to kiss their a**.
If it is proven that any one of them is guilty in any fashion whatsoever of causing this little girl to be missing and/or if any harm has come to Haleigh I for one will be more than willing to oblige in kissing their a**es goodbye.
…Just saying.
I should have added figuratively speakin. LOL!
YUCK!
OK everyone I’ll just be sitting in the dog house here chewing on a bar of soap. (eeeewah!)
Tuff Stuff @ 1:06
What would AH say? He’s not going to reveal his “source” and that’s all I’d want to know so I can decide if the source is credible.
Otherwise AH has nothing to say at all.
Also, back when there were journalists with ethics as opposed to people pretending to be journalists, a reporter would never publish something without two independent sources saying the same thing. Of course, now watch AH read this and immediately say he got it from two sources. There is nothing keeping him from saying whatever he wants to as long as he never has to prove it. And he doesn’t.
IMO
Tuff Stuff @ 1:08 - It seems there was a point in time not long ago that M’s family as well as TN and GGma Sykes kind of “caved” to LE’s way of thinking. In other words, began to believe that maybe M knows more than she’s saying or is lying or whatever. I have to wonder if LE has managed to convince them somehow (one way is by not coming up with any alternatives).
m2c LE has stated that Misty’s own account(s) of what had occurred that night/morning does not match with the evidence that they have obtained during their investigation.
And one other thing to note is that TJ Hart has also not revealed his sources in regards to the alleged questioning of Chad. Reporters/journalists do not have to reveal their sources unless/until they are so ordered to by a court of law and even then they can continue to refuse which places them in contempt of court. But it happens.
This is not a new thing. imvho AH is most likely honoring his source(s) requests in not being named.
That does not mean that AH does not have proof that what he is alleging is true.
Tuff Stuff @ 2:03 - Yes, I know. We just don’t really know for sure if or what it may have to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
Here are a couple of excerpts from one of PCSO’s very few press releases on two topics of interest that we are discussing.
From BNN Article 121926 Aug 17, 2009
Excerpt from PCSO Press Release:
“Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities.”
And
“Sheriff Hardy cautions that because there are many who claim to be valid media outlets, that citizens should be careful not to fall into the trap of believing, or by accident spreading, the untrue and unreliable claims and assumptions of many bloggers who claim to be knowledgeable in the case. He also urges anyone that is assisting, or who wants to assist, to be cautious to stay within the bounds of their authority as they pursue their activities.”
Tuff Stuff- Yes, I know all that about revealing sources etc. I would not be quite as suspect of this particular article if AH had not been quite so tricky (deceitful IMO) as to be sure to put the Sgt’s quote where it would look like he was confirming that there was an LDT. THAT is manipulation.
Also, Tuff Stuff, I noticed that you were careful to say “alleged questioning of Chad” but I have not yet seen anyone say “alleged LDT that M allegedly failed.”
I’m afraid that sometimes depends on what the individual chooses to believe (not you, but others)
Right m2c.
“Sheriff Hardy cautions everyone to stay within the bounds of their authority as they pursue their activities.”
That says to me that everyone is held accountable for their own posting contributions, including, but not limited to, media outlets.
Am I to “assume” that AH and even TJ Hart may have misunderstood Sheriff Hardy’s well explained message?
(I’m going to kick JB off your hammock cause I think I need a nap.) LOL!
I think after what we’ve seen from AH that you can safely assume he completely disregarded Sheriff Hardy’s message in favor of sensationalizing everything he can get his hands on (and maybe even make up) to keep the spotlight on himself (assuming that is his ONLY goal - and it might not be).
Also, when I’ve listened to TJ, I’ve always found him to be very clear when something is unconfirmed, that he wasn’t absolutely sure of himself. He’d mention that. There is a HUGE difference between the way TJ reported and what AH does.
It’s sad to see that some people don’t recognize that - or recognize that their own gullibity or willingness to believe what they want is ultimately responsible for all the garbage we’re fed. If we discouraged it, we’d soon see a little better and more responsible reporting IMO.
TJ Hart well explained that his information regarding Chad’s alleged questioning was unconfirmed and was being provided by an un-named source IIRC.
AH stands behind his reporting and he too declined to name his source.
That is the difference/similarity I see between the two seperate accounts thus far.
It’s like asking why people buy trashy gossip magazines. It’s because that’s what they WANT! It is ENTERTAINMENT! And unfortunately entertainment seems to be what the masses want in this situation as well. Apparently it’s much preferred over the few facts we have.
Tuff Stuff - Read your comment. TJ said it was “UNCONFIRMED.” AH has not said that. So what if he “stands behind it.” It does not mean he KNOWS it’s true. It also does not mean it’s confirmed. And he STILL misrepresented what the Sgt said. There is a HUGE difference and it is NOT dependent upon revealing sources.
Look what AH did with that whole article. All the quotes he got based on telling people what may just be a rumor - what IS an unsubstantiated claim. Come on! He built a whole article on it. Even bringing L and T and T’s lawyer etc into it. AH even said that the failed poly “crushed investigators.” Come on now! Who’s his source on what “crushed” the investigators? All I’m saying is that AH’s articles have to be very carefully read or else one can end up with an impression not based on facts.
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m2c♥ said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm
“Apparently it’s much preferred over the few facts we have.”
How so? You are implying that your theory (I believe it is just theory at this point.) about AH’s reporting is merely for entertainment purposes from what I understood from your posting. Can you absolutely prove your theory as fact?
Your comments that articles that are merely for entertainment purposes are much preferred over facts is merely an assumption of yours imo.
Does Misty roam the jail house freely at will and does she just go whereever she pleases without anyone at the jail arranging for her to do so?
I don’t believe so.
What are your thoughts about the newly released recorded jail house tapes m2c?
In the one where Misty says “He” is ruining our lives, or something close to that affect, who do you believe the “He” is that Misty is referring to?
I believe in that same reporting done by news 4 jax at the end the reporter adds that Misty told her Father that she wished she had never met Ron.
I know that I didn’t hear Misty say that. Should I assume the reporter as a liar? I don’t think so.
Dont forget the reporter said she was going to join the church too. He is taking the tapes out of context. Misty has waffled on her feelings of RON in recent tapes she says she still loves him. In earlier tapes she is done with all men and drugs, she is never leaving home. jmo
To me the LDT has no importance. I also take what AH says as a probable but not trustworthy source. I always check to see what others are reporting about on the same incident.
The whole AH and Croslin as sources stinks to me. Why is Chelsea reporting everything to AH(NG) when they all keep stating how much they hate NG? Seems to me they are setting their own (Misty) up with all the info they tell him, WHY?JMO
Church choir I thought?
You do believe that she made those additional statements though, right Tobias?
Why else would that reporter have made those additional comments known?
She must have said those things right?
(I believe that she did.)
m2c♥ said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 7:52 am The point of Simon’s article (above) is one that has come up time and time again throughout this case. MANIPULATION of information to give the IMPRESSION the author wants to give - NOT to relay facts.
We’ve talked about it before in relation to a number of so-called (usually “self-called” “reporters”) as well as some bloggers.
In this case AH strategically placed Sgt Mulligan’s statement where most readers would assume that the word “it” referred to the LDT.
The quote by itself is no doubt true - it’s just that the Sgt was not talking about the LDT. AH made it look like he was, though.
I don’t appreciate ANYONE trying to manipulate the information for any reason - especially to try make us think what they want us to think. So-called “professionals” like AH know that perfectly well. Even some bloggers know it’s wrong but do it anyway.
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I totally agree.
And a big thank you to Simon and Jan for their courageous and truthful reporting on this case.
But its out of context and I see how it makes the story seem different to others who dont spend the time we have following all the facts as they happen. We know from the last most recent tapes that she says to Lisa that she still loves him.jmo
Right Tobias, and so far we have heard from a few of her family members that are steadily implying that Misty is lying.
Can you love a person and still at the same time wish that you had never met them?
I think it’s possible.
Why would they be doing that? It just seems they are feeding info to AH and its not in Mistys favor, why? Is it because she is blaming Tommy? It makes no sense to me. jmo
I think you could unless you are in jail looking at a long sentence, then I would say heck no I wouldnt be in love at all. I would be questioning why I got messed up in this to begin with. And couldnt get away from the guy fast enough but Misty is in teen fantasy land most of the time. But I think she is slowly waking up. jmo
She seems no longer to be a credible witness. Even her own family members have called her out as a possible liar. What value would her testimony be now? Could she be called testify against another person or person(s) as a credible witness?
If this were the case then she would most likely be viewed as an accessory and if you go by her more recent alleged statements regarding her Cousin Joe one would think that would be the case right off the bat if it were proven true as she did nothing to alert LE, or Ron or anyone else as to what she claimed to have witnessed or known about in that version of hers regarding what had occurred that night.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 2:10 pm And one other thing to note is that TJ Hart has also not revealed his sources in regards to the alleged questioning of Chad.
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The BIG difference though is that TJ didn’t report it as fact.
And because AH has not revealed his sources also you think that we should all assume it is not a fact?
But Chad’s allegedly being interviewed by LE should be viewed as fact?
GAH!
LOL!
Get the smelling salts out, ladies!
Tobias, for once we agree!
You said, “To me the LDT has no importance. I also take what AH says as a probable but not trustworthy source. I always check to see what others are reporting about on the same incident.”
And Tuff Stuff @ 2:51, you’re just being a smart-A now. I think you know what I’m saying about that kind of reporting in general - and it isn’t just AH who does it. SW and LP and others do it too. Since you won’t discuss it seriously I’ll stop talking about it with you.
End of discussion.
that is true, me. TJ said there was a rumor going round about Chad being talked to and LE would not confirm or deny
Art always talked about “his sources close to the investigation” which in the beginning was Kim Picazio and then Art wormed his way into the Croslin Clan. That’s his sources and Levi’s come from posters at boards and on twitter.
tobias said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm To me the LDT has no importance. I also take what AH says as a probable but not trustworthy source. I always check to see what others are reporting about on the same incident.
The whole AH and Croslin as sources stinks to me. Why is Chelsea reporting everything to AH(NG) when they all keep stating how much they hate NG? Seems to me they are setting their own (Misty) up with all the info they tell him, WHY?JMO
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Tobias, wow! I totally agree with you! Except I think I’d use the word “possible” rather than “probable” when it came to AH.
And I also wonder why they are talking to AH…they know AH isn’t doing Misty any favors…so why do they keep talking to him and spinning their side of the story?
m2c you might be done but I am not. I am not being a smart a** about any of it. I am truly trying to discuss this all very rationally yet you apparently do not like what I have to say so you have dismissed yourself from discussing it with me.
That is your perrogative.
Now it is end of discussion on my end as well.
(Unless of course it gets brought back up again.)
tobias said,
in April 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Why would they be doing that? It just seems they are feeding info to AH and its not in Mistys favor, why? Is it because she is blaming Tommy? It makes no sense to me. jmo
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makes no sense to me either unless saving Tommy’s ass, at all costs, is more important than Misty’s.
Tuff Stuff,
Re her family calling her out as a possible liar….I don’t believe that even one person in that family is trustworthy. Her father Hank creeps me out more than any other player in this case.
Tuff Stuff, I assumed you were being a smart-A because I thought you had read all my posts and were thinking rationally.
But look at what you said @ 3:52 “But Chad’s allegedly being interviewed by LE should be viewed as fact?”
That makes no sense since the word alleged means it is not necessarily a fact. So either you are just putting me on about this or something else is going on. That’s why I don’t want to discuss it with you anymore.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
But Chad’s allegedly being interviewed by LE should be viewed as fact?
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Who said that? Certainly not me. I think it’s a fact that TJ heard from somewhere that Chad was being re-interviewed, not a fact that it happened, just a possibility.
Tuff, I get what you are saying about the Chad incident and how bloggers used it as a fact when TJ said it was unconfirmed. Its like some people block out the unconfirmed or take it to mean it will be confirmed as true later. But I also see the AH as being on a different scale and yes its sensationalism. Some is true but some is shakey to say it nicely. jmo
me,
At one point Hank accused Ron of possibly causing nefarious actions against him IIRC.
I don’t trust a one of them to be quite honest.
With that said,
I’ll kindly excuse myself from posting for the day as I have lots to be doing today.
Take care everyone.
Just like Art reported, as fact, that Teresa was asked to babysit that Monday night when in fact he heard it from one the Croslins SIL’s and supposedly Misty told her that. So did Art ask Misty if that was true or did he even call Teresa to see what she had to say? Hell no, he reported,double or triple, hearsay as fact.
Bye Tuff see you in the dog house. Do you have that hammock with the fringe and pillow for me?
I like comfort ahhhhhhhhhh.
m2c It is a fact that there were posters asking plain as day why it was that Chad was being interviewed. They were asking as if it were a known fact that it indeed did occur. I did not name names. If you want their names you can go through the older postings in other articles here at BNN.
Other than that I am not understanding what you are getting at exactly.
No matter though. You clearly stated that you no longer want to discuss it with me and I am more than willing to be respectful in honoring your wishes on that.
Besides, as I said I have things to do today so ttyl.
LOL Tobias. I brought some buttered popcorn too!
Take care
Vaq, Thats the problem some took it as fact and others took it as what it was supposed to be Chelseas statement which in my opinion is hearsay. AH writes it so the blogger who wants to believe it will, but they should read it closely. jmo
I agree vaq, it’s to save Tommy’s ass imo.
And puhlease give me a break, there is no comparison between Art and TJ. And why bring TJ into the conversation about Art? Leave the man alone.
I dont think it was about TJ it was about how bloggers jump the gun and want to believe things that are not confirmed and AH hearsay from the sources he claims are reputable like Chelsea.jmo
Tuff Stuff,
I hope you enjoy your day. Hopefully Haleigh will have been found safe and sound by the time you return!
I have a laundry list of stuff Levi posted as fact and people took it and ran all over the net with it as fact when in fact he got his info from bloggers/posters. One bone of contention is Teresa drove 80 miles the morning of the 10th after she was called about Haleigh when in fact she lived at the 105 Rita Lane address down the highway from Satsuma, which is around 13 miles.
Those people aren’t real journalists, they are tabloid reporters.
What a mess.
IMO, Art has been an untrustworthy “reporter” since Day 1 when he was brought in to cover this case by a person or persons associated with one side of this case (ie the SHEFFIELD/GRIFFIS side). Art Harris was paid by Cobra (as reported BY Cobra himself). Art wrote on-sided articles intended to bias the reader against the Cummings family, and to make Crystal look like a wonderful mother.
Art’s articles often contained mistakes, and his readers would correct him. The articles were then changed. I don’t know about anyone else, but I learned to take screenshots of his original articles so I could see how the articles changed and compare them to the originals. To this day, most articles still change as his readers correct his mistakes, or he gets new updated information. And Art is an investigative journalist? I think that many people that have followed this case do a whole lot more investigating into HaLeigh’s disappearance than Art does, although, granted, most have not spent 5 days in Satsuma like he did. Although, we do not pass ourselves off as having been there (and still being “on the ground” either).
Another problem that I have encountered with Art, IMO, is that he allows Nancy Grace to believe he is still “on the ground” in Satsuma. When she makes statements that he is there, he never corrects her. I often wonder if Nancy even knows he was paid to write articles for Cobra/Picazio?
The stuff that Simon has brought to our attention is disturbing and I thank Simon for pointing it out. Everyone should be aware that what we read in articles very well may be misrepresented. A sad fact, but a fact nonetheless.
Again, I thank Simon and Jan for bringing this to our attention, and I hope the smart people of BNN will always be aware of what they are reading. Things are not always what they seem.
God Bless HaLeigh. Praying for her miracle.
Vaq, Dont forget the crayon man in the pile of useless and tabloid reporters. jmo
I agree Tobias, but folks will continue to spin, and spew their bs.
I also agree Vaq re tabloids, if someone wants that kind of thing, they can zip on over to Art/Levi/Steph.
I forgot Stephie..sigh. Oh well, I will save that rant for later
Well after hearing the small release of tapes today it looks like we may be in for along wait on anything from Ron. Hope even said Ron isnt writing letters so he must be staying quiet, but what about visits would nt they be taped? jmo
Tuff Stuff, since apparently I cannot make myself clear to you please see the following comments which I hope will help clarify what I’ve been trying to say:
Tobias @ 3:27, 4:07, 4:18, 4:22 and 4:31
Vaquera @ 4:13, 4:23 and 4:33
Curious @ 4:18 and 4:31
and J @ 4:29.
M2C, I get your point but I also see where some bloggers have selective reading of some articles like the one about Chad. I dont know how many times someone says he was brought in for questioning in Feb. when the fact is it was not confirmed. I think this is also a problem but its not with the article its with bloggers. And now I will be leaving for my hamock with the fringe and pillow. I hope you understand what I mean. jmo
Hi, Tobias! I hope your hammock is not in the dog house. I don’t think you’ve been “naughty” today in any way - although I have probably not read every single one of your posts!
Once again, everyone, get the smelling salts out or sit down or something: Tobias, I agree with you again (your 5:18pm post). I think it’s both, too.
A lot of what I said today was objecting to what I perceive as a style of reporting that is designed to be sensational and to lead readers in a certain direction even though it may be false. It’s very understandable for well-intentioned readers to get the wrong impression from reports like that. The other, as you say, is selective reading (and mis-quoting).
tobias said,in April 2nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm M2C, I get your point but I also see where some bloggers have selective reading of some articles like the one about Chad. I dont know how many times someone says he was brought in for questioning in Feb. when the fact is it was not confirmed. I think this is also a problem but its not with the article its with bloggers. And now I will be leaving for my hammock with the fringe and pillow. I hope you understand what I mean. jmo
************************************************Tobias, Are your referring to me asking questions in regards to the “alleged” questioning of Chad in February?
I want answers just like you. You have those that you want answers from that you feel had a motive , ability and opportunity and many others want those same questions asked by the those they feel had motive, ability and opportunity.
In the end we will not all be right with our opinions and theories, but, it should not be a argument of who’s right in the who done it just yet.
I enjoy your thoughts,humor and opinions,but, I along with many will not be disregarded because you do not see the value of my concern and participation here and my commitment to be a voice for HaLeigh.
Have you gotten confirmation that Misty has had a LTD?
Nor have I gotten confirmation that Chad was questioned in February.
So, what do we do?… We argue about who is right and who is wrong or what reporter is writing the truth and who is not and all the while LE is tight lipped.
That seems to be all that has taken place since this case began.
What is the meaning of insanity…… doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. HHHMMMM maybe we should think about that for a moment.
JMHO but it seems to me there are so many different officers giving statements to the public that it leaves the door open to this type of thing. IMHO that type of circus act reporting would not take place if one officer trained in media relations was updated on the case regularly and gave regular scheduled media releases. No other questions answered or interviews given but by that one source at that scheduled time. Having family members and friends on board as well who only spoke through a lawyer when lawyer said it was good to do so would slow that type of reporting down, maybe completely stop it. Is it my imagination or my failing to find one but I am not able to find one website for this child? One that updates regularly and perhaps allows a printable poster etc. This case is so incredibly sad.
Just a few of my own thoughts:
1. Please tell me who in their right mind would waste the time, paper or ink giving Misty another polygraph? Are you kidding me?
2. I think it’s fairly obvious that Misty is completely self-centered. From the moment she was arrested she started giving up every crime she knew her brother Tommy committed — even the big heist he pulled off where he stole a bottle of Dawn dishwashing liquid and a couple of sos pads — all for the sole purpose of helping herself. She NEVER ONCE even thought about her brother’s son or wife.
I heard a police det. say this on a radio show and I wish I remembered her name because I’d like to give her credit: the longer Misty keeps silent about what really happened to Haleigh, the more sure she is that Misty was the main perpetrator. I totally agree.
She wouldn’t have deprived herself of her honey buns for one minute, not for Ron or anyone else.
3. Last but not least, other reporters who are more sensational than factual, only make the really great reporters’ lights shine brighter. Thank you Simon & TJ. I wish there were more journalists with your type of values.
J- thanks for the intelligent post. Very well articulated.
http://www.pcso.us/2010-4-1-a
Just wonderful, so PCSD have arrested a food employee in the jail with drugs, no wonder Hope sounds drugged up. I wonder if they found out who was getting the drugs she brought in? jmo
The clarification doesn’t quote Sgt. Mulligan as denying a polygraph either, so I guess it’s still a question. I don’t trust alot of Art Harris’ interviews and articles, because they are always attributed to an “inside source”, so I feel like I’m reading US weekly, or some other celebrity magazines!!!!!!
However, I do like asking him questions!! He usually responds, and I like “fighting” w/him!!!
How does anybody feel about how he seems to favor Chelsea and Timmy?? It’s just weird to me.
Tobias, (sorry for the off topic comment here), I used to have Boxers, and I am thinking of getting another one. My husband is away on business alot, and I miss having a big protective dog.
I do have a 3 year old, so I am thinking about going through Boxer rescue for an older one that is used to being around small children, what would your opinion be, of course, I am thinking of an older boxer, but as to what sex, age, etc..i want to be sure..I would really appreciate any information you could throw my way!! I really miss having one, they are the best.
Did anyone think it looked like Ronald had a swollen or slightly blackened left eye?
Looked like it to me, I just hope he’s not fighting or anything like that. I just feel such an intense sympathy for him, Easter is here and I keep thinking of the pictures of his Easter egg hunt for Haleigh and Junior.
ronfan,
I wanted to tell you I think it’s wonderful that you’re considering boxer rescue. I recently found out about an organization that rescues dogs from shelters that unfortunately, can’t keep them much longer. These dogs have only days left to live before being euthanized.
If you or anyone else reading this is thinking of saving a dog from a shelter, PLEASE, PLEASE take a moment to look at this site:
http://www.dogsindanger.com/searchReturn.jsp
You are able to search by your specific area and by specific breed.
http://www.pcso.us/2010-4-1-a
LT Greenwood must be mistaken! Doesn’t he know it can’t be possible. Nancy Grace has repeatedly reported there are no drugs in jail!!!
Colleen from Chicago, Thanks so much!! I have already found 4 I am interested in. 2 are little boxer mix pups (brothers!) and there are also a large shepherd and an old “senior citizen” rottweiler (old fuzzy and gentle,great with kids) so now I have to decide. The shelter in Elizabethtown N.C. offers transport which is so amazing!
The 2 boxer mix pups only have 2 days left before euthanization if they aren’t adopted. They are in Elizabethtown NC.
*There is a mother and her newborn litter who are doomed to be euthanized this Tuesday unless someone comes to her aid, so very sad. She is NC; The look on her face is just so sad, as if she knows.
Sorry for the off topic post, but considering the subject, I figured it would be ok. Thank you again Colleen.
Well he wont be calling Chelsea anymore,shes got an order for him not to call her,after that report.An Hank, nor Lisa talk to him.As for Lindsey she has a agenda her man.Maybe she can look over the theifts done to supply his drug habit.
Yes its sad Ron fan,i saw Ron,with his chilren dyeing the easter eggs,seems they had a lot of memories from pic,of him an the children.A lot of great one of him An Haliegh.I just dont believe he ,or Mistys guilty.The evidence issue the kept saying is incosistent,i believe is just due to no forsed entry,an DNA. believe thats happened before ,in other cases,no force,no dna.So that tells me nothing about who did this.I THINK ALL ARE GUESSING ,EVEN MISTY,AS TO WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.Only the one who took,or Harmed her would know!
OMG,YOU HAVE ME CRYING!! about the dogs,an puppys.With what they are facing.I often wonder if they know what we are saying lol.Im sure dogs have a language all their own,an know what about to happen.But what can they do about it-so sad!!!
The drugs being taken into jails,an prisons.Its usualy the old places drugs slip by in,the newer are stricter,an watched more.
In Georgetown sc.that old jail before it was closed.Many would take drugs in,according to visit days,an who worked.An would tape drugs to the bottom of the small tin/metal trash can
that was in the front visitors rest room,jail staff even used those rest room,often.The trustee would come through empting the trash,an he would get the drugs an stash them.
Then he either deliver them to an inmate,who sold them for canteen,or money being put on his books from the outside deliver.Or get his cut for the pickup.They were tiped off about someone snitched,an the regular drug drops. stopped,before getting caught.
That jail was so run down ,they had to close it.The girls never went out side.The men got 1 hr.
ronfan,
Thank you so so much for taking the time to look at the website, and for considering adopting one of these beautiful dogs. One of them will soon have the best and luckiest day of their life becoming part of your family.
I’ve never been to North Carolina, but I’ve always heard that the people out there have some of the biggest hearts in the country.
Thank you for making my Easter begin so extremely happy and special.
Happy Easter and my very best wishes always.
Jan 57 said,in April 4th, 2010 at 4:24 am
“I just dont believe he ,or Misty’s guilty.The evidence issue the kept saying is inconsistent,i believe is just due to no forced entry,an DNA. believe thats happened before ,in other cases,no force,no DNA.So that tells me nothing about who did this.I THINK ALL ARE GUESSING ,EVEN MISTY,AS TO WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.Only the one who took,or Harmed her would know!”
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They would also know if Misty was there asleep in the bed with Jr. and HaLeigh or not. IMO that is why LE keeps asking for information about Misty’s whereabouts that night and early morning. Someone started that rumor that seems to have LE hung up and asking again and again for that someone to come forward to confirm.
All that misinformation that was given in the beginning, has fudged up this case for LE and the public. It was not LE or the Cummings family that created this circus it was MG and CS and the sleaze balls that where aligned themselves with this side of HaLeighs family.
I just have to ask :What Male SO or not would prop a door, use the kitchen light and remove HaLeighs clothes before leaving the trailer?
I do not believe it was a man that came into the trailer and removed HaLeigh.
Haliegh could have got up an changed her own shirt,in the night.I would like to know if there were any signs to here wetting again that night.My niece use to do it,,she slept so hard shewould wet DR says many do that,an grow out of it,also theirs small bladders,a nerver growth issue that causes bed wetting..She always would wake an change going back to bed.that also could be the reason the light was on,she (Haliegh turned it on when changing)we dont know.
As for the brick,i can see someone blocking the door,if planning to come back for the boy also.or to be able to tote whatever they planned to steal out.If it was a thief,or SO,The blocking of doors may be their MO.i in my heart,or in my op believe Ron,or Misty Did not have any part in this.
In over a yr none have come forward to claim she was at the drug house,the club,at friends.Except that man who clearly,had mental problems.An then we dont know that whole thing could have been gossip.
It always leads back to Misty,because she was with the children,an PCSO are just as baffled as we all are.I do know 2 things for fact (Teens sleep harder than adults)(an those type drugs cause deep sleep),i can clean the bedroom all around them,an they sleep through it.An a 3 day,drug binge,as many claim.That 2 could have been blown out of paportion.Would anyone not think that with the run down an back lashs of all the meds allegedy in her body wouldnt it, cause a shut down,an she sleep hard an deep.
I an on oxycodone.(roxys)5 A DAY due to 2 serious issuses due to cronic pain.An they make me sleep way deeper than i did before on them.
I to have issue with over a yr no leak from what they call a strung out drug dealing teenager,an shes told no one,even when high((I just cant phantom that).An what may have been written in a letter,may have been plans by thoses 2 men to really steal the gun,an she just in her mind thinks they went through with the plan whhen Haliegh comeup missing.an fear of Ron killing them,or killing her because of them,could be the reason for silence.Fears a powerful evil,enemny,The plans to do this may never have went through.Even when with Tim she told the LDTer that she thought,they may have done something.When he did what i saw to be a botched test when stopping in the middle of it ,an telling her she was deceptive,an then resuming the test.Stress trigger the test,an she has enough to be stressed over,an even feel guilty about because Haliegh went missing on her watch.What her family,Halieghs family LE,an the world think of her.Shes a child by God!! just turning 17 at the time,look at her when in NY on show fisrts appearence she an Ron mad,she was a baby herself.No matter the smoking an the false tough girl attitude seen by us.Thats the world she lives in! All she knows!
PCSO Investigators ,all know everyone in this case .From prier arrest to TN, being a dispatcher at one time,to Johnny Sheffield being in LE before.I Think many may favor one side or the other.But when no body HAS BEEN FOUND found,no traces of the Missing child,in home or out.Normaly thats happens when some outsider takes a child,or teen.An Haliegh more than likly was murdered in the first 24 hrs.Somes loved ones havent been found,untill yrs later,when their bones are stumbled accross.
I dont know anything about this Joe,but from what i can gather hes real shady,An TC,any man that could be brave enough to creep in the night doing B&E,would know how to get past a lock.I was told that there was 4 keys to that back door not 2 .if so who had one,who had access.If a grown mans so strung out ,he could possably mess with a child.The meds alter ,as a drunk gets altered in their minds.
Im still concerned with the know Renolds young man who was a RSO,who did a former B&E,an was found guilty.He was held for a while in Putnum co. Live with mom,he disapeared,in that time range ,the car he drove was found near Marion county line.Last i read his mom said he never even returned for his paycheck,an todate i dont think hes been found.Now he lived about 2 hrs away,but could he have known them,an chose that night/early morning to stop by.All the rumors about drug deals gone bad.I just see many other avanues that raise the hair on my neck,an make me wonder if those people could have some how taken Haliegh from her home.All the known,an not know SO,there.That was a prime house hold to hit,if watched for a while
IT,could just be a coencidence that Misty had partied the weekend before.Just to many avanues,an over a yrs pressure on a child,yes by law shes of age,but in mind she was a child when Haliegh dissapeared,an still is.What a He!! of a thing to go through for over a yr,an may go down for,an the girl could be innocent.
The drug bust issue,they waited untill this girl turned 18 knowing she would be charged as an adult,an may not get youth full offender help,or treatmens.
An the arrest.her being called a THE RING LEADER,like shes some drug lord,UC was the ring leader he supplied 80 prcent of the pills.Thats just offencive to me as a grown woman,for the LE,To think im that stupid as to believe that crap,an look past some of the shady things they have done.
When i posted the drug bust from Florida,in wftv,those big time uncut meth/coke pot pill dealers,big time bringing into Florida drug dealers have bonds set as these in this Putnum/ST Johns case do,an these little minnows in the sea of big fish, are facing the same yrs as those seasoned drug dealers are facing.To me somethings very wrong with this picture.Any way its looked at!!! An i still have major issue with the 200 pills slid in for the bust at the end,how is it no one sees that as being very wrong,This could happen to anyone of ours somewhere down the line if they do get high or run with a crowed who do..an its a dangerious game when LE UC has that much power to do such decitful,very life Effecting crap. Out right sales are one thing BUT!!! The adding /or fusing of these,THOSE PILLS,an two cases,as they did .To me adds another issue im upset about.
If PCSO thought Misty was the culpret,then in the beginning she should have been arrested on NEGLECT,an they go from there,but if shes not guilty of that crime,her life to be placed behind bars,in a prison with hard core criminals ,this goes for all in this buts is just blows me away.That Ron who lost his child to this was offered 25 on a plea,an Misty a 1st time off.could face manditory 25-114 yrs.do you not think thats a shame.When 200 of those pills were supplied to tempt those drug addict weaken minded people,right at the time the bust went down..Not their pills,uc pills no money passed,no sales of them.An we as a people dont rise up against this taking place,because many just want to see her go down,i believe even if she had nothing to do with Haliegh,An a Ron who plainly doesnt care hes suffered the lose of one he loved,so he drowned his sorrowes,an now 25 yrs or more.
My heart just weeps for these 2,as it weeps for Haliegh,an Butterbean being place back to a mom who seem to have cared less about them,an has failed ,an refused a D test after she got him back for that i grieve in my spirit!!
Long post ,misspelling but its what i think,an what bothers me so much.ill make my post shorter,im just getting some of this frustation out about this case. Bare with me please.lol im having emotional issuses due to all this mess.Precious Haliegh still missing,an seem the great drug but.Has helped none.So where does PCSO go from here.Send them away,an maybe they can feel god about how they have handled these 2 cases,but i dont!!!
Morning Jan 57. I want to point out a few things from your post for further thought.
1. Haleighs night shirt
Haleighs night shirt was found in the laundry room under the pile off dirty clothes.
If Haleighs shirt had been found on the floor beside the toddler bed along side her tan shorts I would agree that HaLeigh removed her own shirt,but, the fact is it was found at the back door area and placed under the dirty clothes. Haleigh didn’t d that.
2. I do not believe they had intentions of taking Jr. Think about it for a moment, please. If a SO did this well they got who they wanted and if it was a parental abduction it would of been very obvious if both children where taken and they could not of blamed or frame Misty and or Ron.
3. In the beginning CS and MG claimed that LE was on Ron’s side. They where afraid LE had taped their phones. They felt the need to lie and spread rumors about Ron and Misty, instead of coming together as a family to find HaLeigh. It was obvious their attempts where to make sure that LE and the public did not look close enough at the obvious persons who had motive. ability, and opportunity.
I have a question on the Sheffield abduction theory. If this was so well planned out why didnt they all have air tight alibis? That would be the first and major concern before any other action taken in a plan. This is one of the many reasons it just doesnt click.
Another is if Crystal owed so much child support why wait til she gets served? That only would make for motive. Why not do it months before? jmo
Misty thought her phone was tapped right from the beginning. Misty told Nay Nay she had to call her back, that her phone maybe tapped. I believe Ron more than likely thought the same thing. I hope they tapped all of their phones! I do agree woth Tobias’s observation of a Sheffield abduction. It makes alot of sense.
Texasmommy, I went to the link for Brians dreams. Although, I am not much on Psychics; I will not rule them out. I noticed that Brian stated that the father knows girlfriend is lying. What do you think he meant by that? My perception was if the father knows the girlfriend is lying, then he must know something himself. Brian then says the family knows. The part about Nolan St. had to have been about little Somer Thompson. Then I noticed something about not being in the same bedroom or not home until 2:13am. I did not quite get that part could you fill me in, please?
tobias said,in April 5th, 2010 at 10:54 am I have a question on the Sheffield abduction theory. If this was so well planned out why didn’t they all have air tight alibis? That would be the first and major concern before any other action taken in a plan. This is one of the many reasons it just doesn’t click.
Another is if Crystal owed so much child support why wait till she gets served? That only would make for motive. Why not do it months before? jmo
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Don’t forget that drugs are involved on both sides and that is always a bad addition when intelligent thinking is required.
It is my opinion that Chad’s mistake was that stop for gas… maybe he needed it to get home and had no choice. The fact that Glen Saint Mary is miles away from Satsuma, maybe gave him a false sense of security and did not count on being recognized that early in the morning the same morning HaLeigh was abducted from her bed in the hours that early morning as well.
Marie tried very hard to give him an alibi, but, he was seen and has since been questioned numerous times probably because of that alibi Marie attested to was proved to be false.
Crystal’s passive aggressive actions in the past leads me to believe that she would act in a passive aggressive manner such as this. I believe timing was everything and things just happen to come together at about the time she was served.
Take a look back and notice all the changes that had taken place over the few months that Ron had been in the trailer located on Green lane. New locks, new job, new hours at work would have to mean someone close or able to get information on Ron, Misty’s and the children’s activities. ((((Watcher in the woods))) Ron and Misty’s alleged fight and Misty’s weekend activities could all have provided and provoked CS to act or someone else on her behalf. CS and her family had been on a DCF campaign for sometime prior to HaLeigh’s abduction and admitted that DCF did not do anything about their complaints. In fact DCF recommended that Ron move, because of complaints that caused DCF to become involved prior to NOV 2008. KP even admitted that DCF made her aware that they (DCF) had received the abuse allegations and pics before HaLeigh’s abduction. DCF investigated and found no cause to remove the children prior or even Jr. after HaLeigh’s abduction.
No charges of endangerment to a child has been put on Misty who was 17 at the time and with out a attorney present, told LE for 30 hours all that she knew.
DCF never ruled that Misty was a danger to Jr. after HaLeighs abduction and could of sought charges or actions against her themselves. She was allowed to marry Ron and live in the same home with Jr..
If we could see the truth it would be obvious that Ron and Misty did not have anything to do with HaLeighs abduction.
HaLeigh was taken by no forced entry into the trailer by someone she knew and her night shirt was removed and hidden in the dirty clothes from plain view at the back door.
looking for Justice said,in April 5th, 2010 at 11:44 am Misty thought her phone was tapped right from the beginning. Misty told Nay Nay she had to call her back, that her phone maybe tapped. I believe Ron more than likely thought the same thing. I hope they tapped all of their phones! I do agree woth Tobias’s observation of a Sheffield abduction. It makes alot of sense.
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I am sure she did and LE did have her phone tapped. She was the last person to of seen HaLeigh suposedly. Misty is 17 and her young friends obviously (drugs/prostitution, underage drinking and perscription pill/ cocain users did not need to talk with her on her phone.LOL
It is my opinion that it is odd that Crystal and Marie would have this concern. IMO at their age and circumstances and proclaimed innocence they should have not been concerned and understood it was procedure and wanting their name cleared in such a manner. In fact CS and MG did not want their truths to be revealed at all.
looking for Justice said,in April 5th, 2010 at 12:00 pm Texasmommy, I went to the link for Brians dreams. Although, I am not much on Psychics; I will not rule them out. I noticed that Brian stated that the father knows girlfriend is lying. What do you think he meant by that? My perception was if the father knows the girlfriend is lying, then he must know something himself. Brian then says the family knows. The part about Nolan St. had to have been about little Somer Thompson. Then I noticed something about not being in the same bedroom or not home until 2:13am. I did not quite get that part could you fill me in, please?
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Who can say for sure how accurate Brians DD are at this time. I ride the fence on this subject. I have met some gifted people and have no firm opinion on who is real or who is a fraud. I have looked at Brians site and have come to relize he has a gift, but, will not read into it and will not rely solely on his DD’s.
I find it interesting that he mentions that paticulare DD and the fact that LE wants confirmation that Misty was not in the home, but, can not say for sure if Brians DD is indicating what really happened.
If anything I have looked at the consistant information revealed in his DD on HaLeighs case and would consider those points more of intrest. How many times does the DD mention 29. Jacksonvill, RR tracks, she, red, etc. It is my opinion that the DD’s that I pointed out in January and Feburary are also linked to HaLeighs case, but, do not understand exactly what the DD is alluding to.
Funny thing about predictions you really do not know if they are correct until they come to pass and are revealed.
I cant believe the Croslins have the gull to say all their problems are because Haleigh is missing. All their problems have to do with committing crimes. Do any of you see the defense being I didnt get a fair trial because of the media in the Haleigh case coming up? When Misty claims they are ruining our whole lives I want to ask what about Haleighs life?
Misty ruined Mistys life by doing drugs and selling to a UC on tape. Also while being under investigation for a missing child, she even knew that the first week when she told NayNay she couldnt talk on the phone cause it was tapped. Even after LE told family they werent going away.jmo
Did anyone see Tommy talking to Lindsy about this having all to do with the drugs and why would Ron say that if he didnt think thats what happened. I wonder what the whole story is that Ron told Tommy and others that day?
I hope more comes out on the new tapes and Tommy gets his poly soon. All I can say about Hope is that she isnt hiding anything or pretending to be something she isnt. Which is a very troubled person who really needs mental help besides her drug rehab.And getting busted may have actually saved her life, she was on a downhill spiral.jmo
A whole bunch of them thought their phones were tapped. Misty did. And Ron did not want to go back into the MH after it was released from LE. He said he couldn’t live there anymore but, IMO, it was because he thought it might be bugged. I will repeat, IMO.
Cathartic and Tobias, I agree with you both. It is in my opinion also that is the reason that Ron did not want to go back into the mobile home.
Texasmommy, thank you for your reply. I do believe if it is on the Sheffield side I believe Johnny Sheffield could have pulled it off. There was the one comment from Crystal that still bugs me. Crystal was suppose to have the children that week-end before Haleigh went missing. She stated that Ron told her no, because If Haleigh missed anymore school he would go to jail. I watched a video on you tube where Crystal says she picked up the kids at 6pm on Fridays and returned them at 6PM on Sundays. There is no way the visitation would have interferred with Haleighs school hours. Maybe she was wanting to pick them up earlier. If a child goes to school that day they are considered present for school even though you take them out early. This is not considered an absence. Perhaps Crystal did not know that. I am not sure why her comment bugs me, but it does.
Still praying for Haleigh to be returned safe. I know the odds are not in her favor, but I do not want to give up hope just yet.
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