The fall out from the Cobra debacle is just starting. BNN now has a copy of Daniel Snodgrass’s deposition. The quality of the pdf is horrible, and we are trying to enhance it. There was a section early in the depo that caught my attention. Cobra’s involvement started on the 20th. But read this little slice of heaven
Questions (Q) are from attorney Donald Holmes, and Answers (A) are from Daniel Snodgrass.
Holmes asks the question of when Snodgrass first had contact with Cobra, the answer goes off in an interesting tangent.
Q) All right. Prior to march 20th had you any contact with Mr. Staubs?
A) Well it all started on March 17th ,Tuesday, I was trying to be a nice guy, and went to the Haleigh Cummings headquarters and offered them furniture that I had at the house. I was just trying to eliminate and get rid of my stuff and junk, and I had a bunch of desks and office furniture to – to donate to the cause.
And Jeremiah Raegan was there, and some guy from the press, newspaper, Orlando was there, and I told him I had some stuff to donate. And he said OK.
And the I says well, have you got somebody to help you, because they are heavy desks? And he says well wait a minute and I will call someone. And he calls Art Harris – which I didn’t know at the time who this guy – neither of these guys were – so him and Art Harris come over to my house.
Q) Him –
A) – probably – Jeramiah Raegan and Art Harris came over to my house, and started looking at the furniture and stuff like that, and said, well we don’t know if we can take it.
And the started asking me questions about my case. And I said what – what has this got to do with my case, I am just trying to donate, and help out this cause. And he starts filming – had a camera filming me. And I told him –
Q) Who is Jeramiah Regan? I don’t know him?
A) He’s the head guy that was the head coordinator for the Haleigh Cummings headquarters.
Q) He’s not law enforcement?
A) No. He’s just a – matter of fact’ I guess the FBI is checking on him about some weird stuff happening there, all of them. And so they came to my house and started filming. And I told him –
Q) How did they know who you were?
A) That’s – soon as I said my name to the – Raegan, he knew exactly who I – he had heard about it, because of my case – he goes I know who that guy is. And he kind of set me up with this CNN guy from – Art Harris. And he came over trying to film my place, and everything, and ask me questions, and me and my buddy, Marty, that lived with me at the time – Marty Reid – which was supposed to had been doing a deposition this morning.
He – I told him after he started filming take – I told him to get off my property. And he started acting smart, and he got in my – they got – practically ran into the car.
I said I am going to call the police if you don’t leave, and put that camera away, and everything.
And then he asked – said something smart. He goes Oh, is that the limo you pick up little kids in? Smart-alec. And then –
Q) Who said that?
A) Art Harris.
And I said get the hell off my property
Excuse my French but that is how I put it.
Do not get me wrong, I want to see Snodgrass behind bars, he is accused of raping a 9 year old child. If this is true he deserves to suffer the worst punishment available. The tall Oak tree and a length of rope would be my choice. Rather this little exert from the deposition reveals the bald truth about what people will do to get on the TV.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon, Simon, Simon…. you would make a much better and professional journalist, reporter, writer, if you would refrain from the personal attacks against colleagues. It is not becoming and certainly not professional at all! Once, twice, one tends to chuckle, and let it roll, but no matter who it is, or what your feelings are, they should NOT be reflected in your professional work! I say the same thing to that John Goode person who can’t seem to keep your name off of his blog. It just makes for very poor reading! Just saying….
Otherwise, love the articles! But please, I do not want to see you in the same category as Timmy, whose articles are so loaded with inflammatory and defaming comments about colleagues that it becomes difficult to know what the moral of his story realy is.
Hope Mr. Corbra S. finds peace and joy and leaves behind all the rest. its time to move forward and enjoy the joy of life and freedom.
Keep em coming Simon. Very interesting article and I expect the commentar will be very intereing as well.
Dangit, You know what I mean.. LOL need to get some sleep.
I couldn’t agree more with your first poster, Simon. Your ongoing attacks on Mr. Harris tend to make me examine both sides of whatever issue you have with this journalist.
Mr. Harris obviously despises child molesters alleged or convicted as much as yourself.
He has published a new article about Cobra, Snodgrass and the outcome of Cobras year long court activities.
why don’t we talk about cobra pleading guilty to battery rather than about his victim’s deposition?
The innocent plead not guilty and go to trial..
jus sayin.
Who knows OJ maybe he felt complete contempt for that man at the time he took him down and since it was the only thing that he truly may have felt a tingle of guilt for he possibly went ahead and gave up?
You are asking for everyone to speculate about right? There’s my input on it.
If he truly was set up and it appears that could be a possibility then what faith did he have in the justice system when he had already shown every piece of evidence he could even publically to prove his innocence in the matter?
Plain and simple though I do agree that it was his choice for him to make the decisions that he has made regarding the plea deal.
Oj maybe the point is that we don’t really have much feelings towards Mr Snodgrass being a VICTIM since we all know he is a grown @ssed man who very likely RAPED a 9 yr old girl and she is the REAL VICTIM not Snodgrass. As far as am concerned, SNodgrass shouldn’t have even had a LEGAL right to file charges….How about that!!!
No, there are a couple of very interesting things about this depo (If you’d take the time to look, OJ).
1) Snodgrass admits to going, physicaly, to the HBC. He didn’t call and ask or write a letter, he fully admits to violating his court orders by going, in person, to that location. (That ALONE should have disqualified him from pressing charges in MY book)
2) Then there’s this:
“Q) Who is Jeramiah Regan? I don’t know him?
A) He’s the head guy that was the head coordinator for the Haleigh Cummings headquarters.
Q) He’s not law enforcement?
A) No. He’s just a – matter of fact’ I guess the FBI is checking on him about some weird stuff happening there, all of them. And so they came to my house and started filming. And I told him –”
SO, at the time of this deposition, the FBI was already investigating the Regans, Sheffields, Picazio, and others. Very GOOD to know. Those who keep insisting that the FBI or LE haven’t investigated “that side of th family”, here you go! THEY HAVE!
3: “And then he asked – said something smart. He goes Oh, is that the limo you pick up little kids in? Smart-alec. ”
It would be hard to resist, wouldn’t it? Anyway, what struck me was wondering if HIS limo is used by Red Rose Limo’s in Palatka. THere is a connection possibly, to other information.
Simon, may we know what date this deposition took place? I’d like to know just how long now the HBC, her managers, organizers, and participants have been under FBI investigation. I am VERY interested to know!
Hollys Gmom said,in March 25th, 2010 at 1:31 am
3: “And then he asked – said something smart. He goes Oh, is that the limo you pick up little kids in? Smart-alec. ”
It would be hard to resist, wouldn’t it? Anyway, what struck me was wondering if HIS limo is used by Red Rose Limo’s in Palatka. THere is a connection possibly, to other information.
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Hollys Gmom,
The reference to the Red Rose Limo service in Palatka caught my eye as I don’t believe I’ve heard of that company until now. May I ask what brought this particular Limo company to mind? I’ll check back later to see if you have had a chance to respond. Thank you for your post.
Haliegh we are all praying for your return.Seeking truth,an wishing you would be found alive This early morning. I read a report Cobra has now been told he cant work around Putnam co. or in the 7th distric. or on Halieghs case, who knows if he can even keep,or get his work lic. he was put in a position to have to take a nolo contest plea today,because no one stuck with him. But guess who stuck together against him.Snodgrass,whos accused,Sexual battery(rape) of 2 girls.An Chuck bail bonds man who gave him Snodgrasses file,Chuch has a record of being a RSO.Those two stuck together against Cobra along with Rodger Capener,a inc agent ,must be to do with Chucks BB company.Roger Capener said he did not give Cobra promission to revoke Snodgrass bond.I dont know if Rodger is with Cobras company,or Chucks yet.
I feel Cobra thought he was doing right. He was doing what many wont do.IS not let those accused,or those guilty of messing with children break the laws,an stipulations of a bond order,or Parole order.By lerking or using an excuse to be where children are. But Chuck RSO was Snodgrasses BB,not Cobra,But Cobra working in the field where he know what happens when the two are mixed.He would know what the court orders are for the accused,or the convicted,he had seen S. file..If an Ankle monter is on a person,its there for a reason,an we know one thing is Snodgrass was not suppose to be around children
Cobra if you read this Im sorry you had to go through what you did.I bet you wish you had never went to Satsuma,or Putnam co.Im sure you would do it again if it was for Haliegh,just with out all the drama.Could you have been getting close to something,an LE didnt want you to steal their thunder.
Cobras i know you have to be hurt about this,in your heart tonight.It will take a while to get over being treated bad,an i doupt thanked for what you tried to do there,by anyone in that area,or LE.But I thank you from my heart,an i know anyone trying so hard to help.Everyone wants a slap on the back sometimes an to be told they are appreciated,for taking their time to look for anwsers in Halieghs case.
Snodgrass is a man accused of sexual battery on 2 girls,an he goes to the HBF where children maybe at.So Cobra knew this an tried to put a stop to Snodgrass,he did the right thing.Bless Cobra,he tried to help find Haliegh,an went places LE couldnt,or wouldnt go.An this is the thanks he gets.Two men one accused of SB,an one who has a record as a SO. going against him,with LE,forcing him to stop what he does best. LOL cant you see Art trembling in his shoes,back in the woods at an man accused of SB,on children. An this Jerimia every time i read something he right in the middle of it,wonder if he has a record,i think he was the on that was said to be sleeping with 2 of the wemon at HBF. Gossip,or truth who knows!!!
I talked to someone in St Johns this evening,they said Tommy had really been asking for the LDT.
Simon,an Jan Thank you so much for keeping us informed ,lol the little humor about the Bald truth.It was cute.I dont think you ment any harm in it. I know He had to be out of his territory,an probably was scard a few times ,in those woods,with some of the things ive heard was going on.Keep up the good work.I read some of his another report tonight about what may have taken place with Cobra,an shared a little of my own feelings about it. Cobra Somtimes a man knows when its better to take a small plea,than go before people,or LE who are angry with you,to try the case.He was smart on that move,even though i know it hurt Cobra to do it.Seems Cobra,an TJ put in a lot of time On the ground in Putnam/Satsuma.Simon an Jan took a lot of your time gathering imfo an reporting it.Thanks to all of you.
This happened a year ago..why is it important now..
oh guess I should have read the news…
Dylan,
It has to do with a psychic tip I had been working on this past week. The Red Rose Limo service came up as being very near one of the places thought to be of interest. The reason it stuck out was the name and Misty’s claim about a “red rose” in the woods. Now, if D. Snodgrass has a limo he lends to Red Rose Limos, maybe this is all connected. One of the places of Interest that I pinpointed from the tip was River Rd. It is one of the oldest rds in Palatka with historic landmarks. It also meets with the hwy at the bridge from Palatka into Satsuma. This is also just a few blocks south of PDM. I just wondered if anybody had found anything that might tie Snodgrass to the RR Limo service and thus to the tip.
Also River Rd in Palatka runs parallel to the St John’s River bank.
Holly..your getting it wrong I live there..river street is the street that red rose limo is on…river road is miles away..on the other side of town…river street is about 6 miles from PDM…hope this helps ya
Whats missing is the part of the statement, where there is a white SUV driving across peoples property the night before, and the conversation with one of French’s son’s.. what was that about being FBI?
Now, who was that again? I had been told this past year that Snodgrass had gone to the Haleighbug Center only one time.. While it was under construction, and thats when Jeremiah was spoken to about the desk and items to donate..
If no children were present at the time, and there was not repeat visits to the Center, I couldn’t figure out how Snodgrass had violated his Probation.. From what I have read so far in the depositions.. I have seen nothing to stipulate that he was violating his probation…
And there are no repeat visits to the Haleighbug as was first reported giving justification for the violation of probation.
With what I have read so far, I have to ask one question.. Did Cobra’s attorney go to the DA and request a plea bargain? What was given in return? Because, I do think after reading both of these, Cobra needed the plea bargain.. Just my opinion…
I read a comment that was put out recently that Cobra was fit to be tied, a bear ready to pounce.. and it seemed like the Target was Tim H. Well, guys.. If everything TH has, has been turned over the the US Attorney General’s Office, and we don’t know how deep they are into any of this.. I think I would be going about my business, and not do anything that might lead a new document to end up on the desk of the US Attorney General.. Thats one group of LE, I don’t think I would want to fight with..
And, I think that I would remember, that if there was anything that Tim H. had done that was Illegal, I have no doubt that the US Attorney General would address that issue.. Pretty Sharp people work in that Washington DC Office!!!
In the interest of keeping MIS-information at a minimum (as in not adding to the pile we’ve already got)…
HGm – 2 + 2 = 4 Not 5.
Snodgrass saying “I guess the FBI is checking on him” (Regan) “about some weird stuff happening there” (HBC, I assume – maybe), “all of them” (associated with HBC, I assume – maybe)
Does not equal “at the time of this deposition, the FBI was already investigating the Regans, Sheffields, Picazio, and others.”
Nor does it mean that the FBI has been investigating them the whole time SINCE the deposition (per your 1:33am).
1) How does RSO Snodgrass know something that professional reporters on the case did not know?
2) IF FBI was “investigating” Regan it may have been because he was known to have pretended to be LE. IF LE was investigating anyone, we do not know WHY (in relation to what) or IF the investigation was all of one hour with five questions on one topic or a more serious and all encompassing investigation.
Jumping to conclusions especially based on what a stinking RSO says is not really helpful at this point (IMO)
For all we know the FBI could have gotten mad at hearing that Regan was impersonating a Feeb, and THAT is all they “investigated” and the others were “included” because they witnessed it. We don’t know what it means IF anything.
I think we’ve all known that it was POSSIBLE that LE has investigated Regan and others at any time since Haleigh’s disappearance and on any number of possible topics but we have not KNOWN. IMO we still don’t.
Of cours, IYO….
How would Snodgrass have that information?….SOmeone told him about it, maybe his lawyer? Just a guess.
If they started to investigate ANYTHING or ANYONE at HBC and the FBI didn’t find evidence of wrong doing, on ANYONE’S part….doesn’t that totally invalidate much of the information we supposedly have about the Regans, KP, CObra, Crystal (in regard to actions or events surrounding HBC -) So you’re telling me, with all the “evidence” stacked up against them (all particpiants of HBC other than actual volunteers) that the FBI would stop with 5 or 10 questions? That all of this stuff against Crystal/Sheffields (fake search, past history of child hiding from fiance, past history of underground grow op, animal cruelty, etc) that the FBI would stop with just asking a few people about John R’s impersonation? SO what, are the FBI in on it too now?
Besides, TJ Hart has said many many times that all offices of LE including the FBI have been working diligently on this case and have been investigating EVERYONE. Don’t you believe him?
WHat if the FBI investigation came about due to Mr unmentionable’s “evidence”. Maybe that was where I had been comming from. That perhaps this depo had been a little more recent then we might assume, within the last 2 months and that could it have anything to do with that situation. I DID ask Simon if he could let us know WHEN that depo occurred.
And also my point was that in SOME form or fashion, FBI had been investigating them (HBC participant) and IF they were, then maybe some of what everyone had hoped for was comming to light. But feel free to jump on me with both feet….again.
As per google maps the Old Saw Mill House that I linked was on River (St, Rd…one of those) and the Red Rose Limo was just 2 blocks down from it. Then if you continue on that road you will come to the junction that meets the bridge. If you continue North you will come to PDM…I might have been off on the distance but it is a short distance by vehicle.
So if I miss-stated Rd instead of Street or vice versa, I appologize.
What are the laws regarding due process again?
Strange how there were officers present at the time of the take down yet they felt no absolute need to arrest Cobra for battery at that time.
That says to me that in the officers opinion Cobra must not have been committing battery at all. It was during the course of the take down that necessary measures were possibly taken in order to secure the prisoner.
No matter though. A plea has been entered.
I think I’ll just curl up in my dog bed over in the corner and stay out of the way today….I sense some tempers starting to flare and it’s still early. Now WHERE did I put that rawhide bone?
Who’s tempers are flaring JB? Sorry to hear that.
Don’t ya dare go planning to curl up and what not. It’s not good for your spine.
🙂
Mlee, long time no see, it’s great to hear from you again.
Don’t worry, JB!
I’m not mad. I’m expressing doubt, concern and caution about something presented as “fact” that is actually based on assumptions.
Tuff – just read the m2c / HollysGmom “exchange” above …. I think I’ll stay out of the way. LOL 😀
m2c…. just staying out of the way until the dust settles. LOL
Did anyone watch NG last night? (Sorry – off topic)…. Did you see the story about the gmom who traded her 10 YO granddaughter for cocaine…let some creepy 67 YO man rape her in exchange for drugs. Pretty sure it happened more than once too. WHO DOES THAT? WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO? And this guy is on the run from LE!
JNGA, you too sug.. I hope your doing okay.. miss visiting with you.. I have been working more on family research, and that has really kept me busy.. Ties into so many other researcher since the dna was unlocked and published.. Never knew I was related to so many different people..
Don’t be a stranger.. We miss you.. and we hope to spend more time working with you.. soon..
It is my opinion that Snodgrass was definitely in violation! He even admits being there himself. Art mentions that Cobra has slimmed way down and this tells me he has been under alot of stress.
HBC was already in operation when Snodgrass went to HBC. There were small children there all the time; even when it was under construction. Why didn’t law enforcement take Snodgrass in themselves? They should have!! He should have never received a bond to be free from behind bars in the first place.
It has been reported that FBI and FDLE have participated in the Haleigh disappearance. I believe the other side has been investigated. Haleigh appearears on the FBIs most wanted list.
Snodgrass could have found out the info about FBI investigating Reagan, KP and Sheffields/Griffis after the fact.No telling when the depo took place.
I believe Cobra was there to help find Haleigh. This was I believe to be his only agenda. I also believe the reason Cobra was investigating the drug area and talking to people like Barbara Freeman was due to the fact that from day one of Haleighs disappearance the citizens of Satsuma were saying that if Ron had paid his drug debt he would still have his daughter. There are some citizens of Satsuma still believe that today.
I wish Cobra all the best and many blessings.
mlee who “told you” that DS had only been to the HBC one time?
Appears –sorry for typo
JB Isaw that on NG. Those two are facing minimum mandatory 25years or max life. I hope it is LIFE. How and the heck could it only be 25 years? That is what Ron and Mistys mandatory minimum is!! This is an outrage!!!!!
STIFFER PENALTIES ARE NEEDED!!!!!
Lets cover the officers present at the time..
They were there to keep peace, only.. because Snodgrass had weapons.. Bailsbondsmen, are responsible for their own actions.. Keep peace only. The officers were not in communication with the bonding company or the insurance Company this was Cobras responsibility ONLY!!
Now, Snodgrass is accused of a Felony involving children.. Not convicted, not on Parole, out on Bond, with stipulations on where he could go and couldn’t..
First of all, He went to the HBC 1 time, it was not open to the public at the time!! No children present..
So think about this: If he was not allowed to go to the HBC when children were present..
How could he ever go shopping? Shouldn’t he be restricted from:
Grocery Stores
Walmart
Doctor’s Office’s
Dentist
Hospitals
Emergency Rooms
Any retail Store
Parks
Zoo’s
Races
Fair’s
Carnivals
Book Stores
Movie Stores
Theaters
Fast Food locations
So, if he was violating his Bond conditions by dropping into the HBC, why isn’t he restricted from any or all locations that Children are present.. Now think about that.. And he’s not!!
Can any of you think of any business in that county, that children are not present.. Even the Court Room has kids in it.. Hello, people bring their little kids with them to pay tickets.
So, now think about the Cobra going to this man’s home, taking control over this person, having this person cuffed and in his vehicle forcefully, and the insurance co. calls and says hey, “Don’t take this guy in!!!” sounds like a decision had not been made prior, and its really really hard to un arrest anyone.
Cops get sued for silly little things like that..
My opinion.. No one was hero that day..
mlee you may have possibly missed my question to you. I am asking you who it was that told you that DS was only at the HBC one time as you have stated?
LFJ – You’ve got that right! I think they said her bail was like $1500! Is that right? I’m like OMG! HOW THE HECK SHOULD SHE EVEN BE ALLOWED BAIL? She needs to rot behind bars! Pimping out her granddaughter for a fix! GRRRRRRRRRR! I want to just rip these people’s heads OFF!
Melee, It was said early on that is why he hired people to run errands for him and why Marty was staying with him, because he wasnt allowed in those places. And you brought up the guns, thats another violation of bail.
whether he owns them or not the guns cant be on his property.jmo
You are right JB on her bond. Did you hear the part where it was said the granny actually participated in the sexual aspects with her granddaughter. I thought OMG!!! this woman is demented!!! All for drugs!!
Why didnt Marty show up for his deposition?hmmm. Thats a question they didnt ask Snodgrass. Evidently the guy wasnt gonna risk his neck lying on a deposition or telling the truth would have been bad for others in this case. jmo
LFJ, Not so new look at McKinncy Phillips her own father was so high on drugs he abused his own daughter. Drugs make people do things which normal peole would never even think to do.jmo
It’s been a long time since I saw the video of Cobra temporarily “arresting” DS but if I recall correctly at the very beginning DS said about six times various versions of “you can’t do this,” “you don’t work for the insurance company anymore” etc.
So that made me think that DS knew a lot about Cobra way before Cobra arrived. Why? How?
It has stunk of a set-up to me from the beginning.
Well alrighty then? According to other eye witness accounts it has been said that DS had allegedly been there on several occasions. IIRC LE was potentially called out there but apparently, according to what was said by the alleged eye witnesses, by the time LE had arrived DS may have already left the area. True or not? Those alleged eye witnesses testimony might have been helpful in determining whether or not the man was possibly behaving and acting in a harrassing manner at minimum. Due to the fact that DS is ordered to stay away from Children and allegeldy Children were present when he was there just ads more credence to the complaint imvho.
Orlando, was that the friend of Rons? The one walking with him and others in the video that first came out in the news? Just curious. And why does Snodgrass know him by name? jmo
You are right Tobias!! I hope these SOBs get life. This little girl will now have to grow up and try to get past the trauma they indured at the hands of someone they were suppose to be able to trust and protect them. This is so sad!
Another thing to question is why doesnt his ankle braclet show him being at the HBG center. It must not be working correctly and if he knew it he could go anywhere and do anything and LE wouldnt know it. And doesnt Cobra state in his deposition that it registered as DS being at a garden nursery when they were really out by Dunn Creek bridge?jmo
And who exactly were the alleged eye witnesses that claim that DS was at the HBC more than one time? I could be wrong but CS may possibly have been either one or the one who made the claims. Correct?
I do wonder if JS and the bail bonds lady’s known rso Husband might have known each other also or? (Reaching I know but it is a seemingly good question.)
Tuff, The way I remember the incident was DS and Marty were just driving by and yelling obscenities at people who were outside the center. So it would be after the visit he got from AH and JR.jmo
If that is true Tobias then it proves that he was behaving and acting in a harrassing manner.
I dont understand why LE never went to test the braclet to see if it was really functioning properly? Oh something just occured to me, if DS was just accused and not on the SO list did LE check him out at all?
Would they check on accused SO or just ones on the list? jmo
Was due process denied in Cobra’s case?
I sure hope he comes on and has his say about the proceedings. I have put DS back on my list now, and I am wondering how he may be connected to the players. jmo
Simon on your last article you have Donald not Daniel might want to change that before you get ppl like me even more confused and wondering what i missed now!
Glad to see the name is correct in this article. Did Jan write it for you Simon? lol
Tricia with all the names of these players how can you blame the man! Geez people make mistakes! Glad you got the chuckle its good to laugh!
Simon and Jan god bless you and all that you do!
Funny how AH left his involvement of going over and getting run off of DS property out of his story. The guy is a hack. jmo
I hope the FBI questions the legitimacy of the HBC. This organization sounds shady and the “Board” sounds like they were in it to make a fast buck. How is the money used to run this organization, and where is the accounting of the funds? What searches have they conducted (besides the infamous “fake” one)? Sounds a tad bit shady to me. IMO
Tobias the story wasn’t about AH though. What significance would it have added to include his own personal experiences except to make some folks most likely have even more respect for AH for the verbal jab that was allegedly aimed directly at DS?
Seems to me that AH was being rather humble on that note.
Tobias, I know there is a garden nursery right up from the old HBC. Dunns Creek Bridge is further up from there if you are traveling north on 17. Actually the garden nursery is right before the turn off to go to where Haleigh lived in Hermits Cove.
As for AH, I have to question the “validity” of his claims anymore. What happened to the Misty “Tell All” letter? Ihaven`t seen it reported on lately or the contents of it. His refusal to “investigate” and “report” on the Sheffields leads me to believe his journalistic integrity has been compromised (if he had any). I would like the “truth” and “honest reporting” on all sides.
HGMom, It looks like you know about Chad Griffis “hiding” children from others. Would you tell me what you know about his history of doing this, or refer me somewhere on the web? I have come across these comments but never a more detailed description. TIA.
Beings that AH is an “independant” it is open for him to be paid by and do reporting for just about anyone that he chooses to that offers him that opportunity.
I have seen AH report things supportive of CS yes and I have also seen where he has reported things that were not necessarily in her favor either.
Would everyone instead hope that nothing was reported by AH in regards to the case as he was lead to believe and report at any point? Maybe some but most definately not all.
What AH did was very risky and I do believe that he knew that was exactly the case from the beginning. It is not as if he is a newbie.
Let the cards fall where they may type of thing.
I give him credit and it is my right to whether others agree or not.
LFJ, Dont you think there is something wrong about the ankle monitor not registering where it was supposed to? In the deposition it stated Cobra has pings for where they were and the monitor had them somewhere else. Sounds like DS could have been anywhere the night Haleigh went missing to me since his monitor wasnt working properly. jmo
But then again, AH`s journalistic integrity was compromised the day he started his “Job” on the Nancy Disgrace show. Who, in the right mind, would want to work with her and her antagonistic “I don`t care about anyone`s rights” and downright rude attitude?
Truthfully AH was only brought in to get Haleigh on National TV by way of NG and it worked if Cobra had not brought AH into it the case would have just been a blip on the media.
AH has gotten a lot of air time because of the case too. Other than Haleighs case he doesnt really have too much going for him. jmo
Tobias, I agree with you. Do you know how the ankle bracelet would register to be somewhere you are not? Can it be tampered with to make LE assume he is where he is suppose to be? I am not sure about these ankle bracelets. I does worry me that he could go undetected!
I meant to type it does worry me. Sorry
Nancy Grace also deserves some degree of credit for keeping this case and others like it in the national media. I don’t always agree with Nancy, heck most times I don’t even agree with my dang self. Ok just being silly but truth is I have yet to meet even one single person with whom I have agreed with 100% of the time ever.
Besides I still question what was truly going on with what T.J. Hart had reported where Misty was sitting right next to him when NG was reporting her as MIA or whatever. What was the purpose behind making a claim that was so easy to disprove? Nancy Grace is not a newbie either to law now is she?
What was the real motive behind her actions at that point?
The ratings excuse just doesn’t work for me. It was to easy to have disproven the whole thing and T.J. did exactly that.
tobias, he is not a convicted felon, he has only been charged.. and since LE was aware that he has weapons, and they had not enforced any action removing his weapons, and we have not seen any action of them charging him with a violation.. apparently it must be okay for him to have them… Right?
I’ll just throw this out there. My suspicion is that Nancy Grace was testing someone’s truthfullness and to possibly see how far someone might go in covering up the truth. I definately do not mean as to say she was testing TJ persay or was she? Not necessarily though. She may have just hoped that TJ might go along with it though. I think Miss Nancy may have possibly under estimated T.J.’s integrity though, which is sad if true.
Tuff Stuff–The only integrity Nancy needs to question is her own. Anyone who knows the law like she supposedly does, needs to look at defamation of character and slander. She uses these on her show on a daily basis. Her “on air” conviction of many people should land her in the unemployment line. I do applaud her for her missing children reporting, but other than that, she needs another line of work (maybe as a warden at San Quentin lol).
Robin I do think she has a mean curve ball. jmo
Tuff Stuff– Honestly, look at the discussion today. Daniel Snodgrass`s ankle bracelet may or may not be working properly (at the time of Haleigh`s disappearance). Yet, all of the RSOs were cleared in the first weeks. Really? Why was this not reported (about Snodgrass)? Maybe because it don`t fit in with “Misty is the key” explanation from LE.
Robin, For all we know Misty could know DS seems DS knows Rons friend Orlando. jmo
Statistics say alot of the “perps” insinuate themselves into an investigation. Could Snodgrass be doing that when he went to the HBC to “donate” furniture? Who knows and we may never know, since Cobra was taken off the case permanently. Is Snodgrass a “smoking gun”? Its worth looking into I think, but I am afraid it doesn`t work into LE`s theory and probably won`t garner any investigation.
Since there is no gag order I believe Cobra will come on soon to tell us his thoughts. More than likely once he has the chance to cool down a little.lol jmo
When we get the rest of the deposition I wonder what other gems will be uncovered? jmo
Robin we still to this day have no idea whatsoever what evidence LE may have and for me to speculate anything about their overlooking the possibility that DS may potentially be involved somehow is purely irresponsible as I truly have no idea what LE is doing exactly within the investigation at any point minus what information they have managed to release to the media.
Oh my! Imagine me actually saying all of that without taking a breath in there somewhere at least. LOL!
Tobias where is the information that links this Orlando character to DS? I haven’t seen that info yet. TY
Tuff Stuff–I do believe in many news outlets LE has adamantly said “Misty is the key”. Not anyone else. No, I do not know the evidence that LE has or what holds them to this theory. I was just saying that if “Misty is the key” then they might be overlooking any other possible suspects like Snodgrass. They did say the SOs were “cleared” within weeks of the disappearance. Tell me what evidence leads them to that conclusion. Why not say they havent ruled anyone out (even the SOs). I am not knocking the investigation, because frankly, I am not privy to any evidence they have uncovered to date. I just think the “Misty is the key” explanation is wearing a little thin when you have many more viable suspects, including Misty.
I didnt mean he knew him as a friend but he knew him enough to know his name. jmo
I agree Robin the explanation is wearing thin but even more so is the fact that we haven’t heard any new updated information. This case has dragged on now for quite some time. Sadly, other cases drag on even longer but for anyone, not you, but for anyone to say that this case has gone cold is incredible given the fact that there are new allegations of a letter that Misty had written to a family member wherein there are, according to recent reports made by Art Harris, a possible detailed account of what may have happened the night/morning that Haleigh was reported as missing.
I sure hope Miss Nancy doesn’t bump the Haleigh Cummings case again.
It sucks being nobodies who sit around hoping for a few scraps here and there though.
Tobias @ 12:48 You said: “Truthfully AH was only brought in to get Haleigh on National TV by way of NG.”
I think another reason was to get a supposedly “objective” reporter to spin the story in favor of the bio-mom’s side per KP’s instructions. He’s been doing that pretty much ever since. He was NOT a reporter to start with. He was a “media spokesperson” who pretended to be an unbiased reporter on his website and on NG.That’s when he lost my trust. He still craves that national TV “fame” (and the $ that comes with it I expect) so I don’t know how anyone can trust him again.
m2c,
Whatever information that AH is reporting is credible information that pertains to the case no matter what way anyone might view it.
Think about it.
Same goes for T.J. Hart, Simon etc…
(I did not include the person who is not to be named hee hee.) LOL!
m2c♥ said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 7:50 am
KUDOS
Well said. and it needed to be said IMO.
I agree !!
Correct me if I am wrong – is it not true that Art H. producers for his tv show (under development) are the same producing team of the Nancy G. show? hmmm mmmm mmmm connect the dots.
Tuff Stuff your 2:24 is really a slap in the face to TJ who has never had an ax to grind, never taken money from anyone involved in this case – like AH has.
I know Simon’s had some strong opinions but he is more of a commentator. TJ is a reporter – as AH CLAIMS to have been but WAS NOT!
BB12 – I don’t know anything about AH’s show that’s “under development” except that it’s been in that limbo state for a long, long time.
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Also, for everyone. I think the only source that I know of that NG has for Haleigh’s case IS AH. At least as far as I know.
BB12-Chris said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Correct me if I am wrong – is it not true that Art H. producers for his tv show (under development) are the same producing team of the Nancy G. show? hmmm mmmm mmmm connect the dots.
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the bounty hunter show? ironic, isn’t it? 😀 I wouldn’t doubt it and I also think it was that group of people in Las Vegas who was initially going to bail out Misty..
Tuff Stuff @ 2:20 – I view AH’s reports as potentially biased therefore the “credibility” IS in question. For example, he may correctly quote someone while not even mentioning some other information or choosing not to include a contradictory quote from someone else. That’s what happens when someone takes off the “reporter’s hat” and puts on the “spokesperson” or “media relations” hat.
m2c kindly retract your teeth from my arse please. I in no way, shape or form would even consider slapping T.J.in the face nor was I ever intending to be disrespectful to T.J. Hart period thank you very much.
m2c I see you do not see the value of my earlier post. It’s fine. I offered my thoughts and I do not intend to shove them down anyones throats now or ever.
I’m outta here for now as I have much to do today.
Have a good day everyone.
m2ce–Your 2:18 post is right on the money. AH is not objective anymore, so, I too, have lost faith in his journalistic integrity. He lost his credibilty when he misquoted Ron`s retirement plan remark (which the UC said) and his proSheffield spin. Any journalist worth his salt is always unbiased, especially when the “whodunit” question has not been answered with SOLID evidence.
Tuff Stuff said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I agree Robin the explanation is wearing thin but even more so is the fact that we haven’t heard any new updated information. This case has dragged on now for quite some time. Sadly, other cases drag on even longer but for anyone, not you, but for anyone to say that this case has gone cold is incredible given the fact that there are new allegations of a letter that Misty had written to a family member wherein there are, according to recent reports made by Art Harris, a possible detailed account of what may have happened the night/morning that Haleigh was reported as missing.
I sure hope Miss Nancy doesn’t bump the Haleigh Cummings case again.
It sucks being nobodies who sit around hoping for a few scraps here and there though.
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I think the “letter” is being overblown in it’s importance. That was weeks ago and yet no one’s been arrested for it nor has Haleigh been found. Surely if this was the smoking gun we would have known by now with the arrest of somebody.
If Art had the letter don’t you think he would have it on his website by now?
I’m not sure Vaquera. Maybe just tidbits were found out by AH and it can possibly go in any direction I suppose? But too is it possible that LE is determining if the claims are legit or just more inconsistancies and lies?
Gah! If we only knew.
robin said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
m2ce–Your 2:18 post is right on the money. AH is not objective anymore, so, I too, have lost faith in his journalistic integrity. He lost his credibilty when he misquoted Ron`s retirement plan remark (which the UC said) and his proSheffield spin. Any journalist worth his salt is always unbiased, especially when the “whodunit” question has not been answered with SOLID evidence.
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on top of that I can’t think of one article he hasn’t had to go back and correct information after readers would point it out to him it was wrong. His early video’s were heavily edited, especially the one of cobra and Teresa where we saw a few minutes of over an hour video. I think they were edited to make one side look bad.
tobias said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Since there is no gag order I believe Cobra will come on soon to tell us his thoughts. More than likely once he has the chance to cool down a little.lol jmo
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Upcoming Episodes
William Cobra Staubs Speaks Out
Simon Barrett
Date / Time: 3/26/2010 11:00 AM
Category: News
Call-in Number: (646) 378-1120
After almost a year of having the threat of a 10-13 year jail term hanging over his head, he is once more a free man. Cobra has figured out who his friends and enemies are during this period of time. To say this is likely to be one volatile program does not do justice. Cobra is out for bear!
Vaquero–I agree. If this letter had any relevancy, someone would have been arrested or we would have heard something about it. And yes, I think if it was legit then AH would have it on his website, especially since he loves an “exclusive” label.
Now thats gonna be the real BOMBSHELL. Hope those who were his enemies have their fow holes dug cause they are gonna need em. LOL jmo
I, for one, do not think Haleigh`s case has gone cold, but I believe it could use a little “fire” by an unbiased, fresh set of eyes. I think this case has been sorely lacking that for a long time now. Maybe I am just frustrated with the lack of information, and the tact LE has used in trying to “solve” this case.
vaquera will that show with cobra be on blogtalk?
vaquera said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 2:57 pm If Art had the letter don’t you think he would have it on his website by now?
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IMO: Art would save the “Bombshell” “Late breaking news” for the “Just IN” “Exclusive New explosive evidence” for Nancy Grace Show – who pays Art a consultant fee.
Connect the money trail –
BOMBSHELL!!
If Misty responds to my letter I’ll scan it and post it here..yes I told her to fight these bogus charges and if she wants to send me a picure wearing those daisy dukes that would be fine.
yes, shayshay
No doubt about it, BB12chris. 😉
And Jeremiah Raegan was there, and some guy from the press, newspaper, Orlando was there, and I told him I had some stuff to donate. And he said OK.
ME: I think Snodgrass is talking about a reporter from Orlando, not Ron’s friend Orlando..
but what do I know..
OJ`s Glove–Bogus charges? I do not think anyone twisted her arm to buy/sell drugs. And I do believe there is video evidence to prove that fact. I am in no way touching the daisy dukes remark.
Orlando was there, and I told him I had some stuff to donate. And he said OK.
Sounds like Orlando T. to me. jmo
Can’t wait to hear from Cobra. The game is worth the candle. Keep it lit. I have always believed in you.
The guy from Orlando was probably Gary Widom.
tobias said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Orlando was there, and I told him I had some stuff to donate. And he said OK.
Sounds like Orlando T. to me. jmo
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NOT CORRECT, taken out of context. ME IS CORRECT.
He said some guy from the press from Orlando was there…………………..
His statement about a guy from Orlando is on page 11.
I’m sorry OSPainter is correct.
Tuff Stuff @ 2:52- I was just nipping at your ankles! 🙂
I probably misunderstood the “same can be said,” thinking it pertained to a different comment. Glad and relieved to hear it.
Hope there are no holes in your socks! If so I will retreat to my hammock and begin knitting you a new pair. 🙂
This is the first time I’ve read this site in months, but was asked by Bill to check out this article. Just to let you know, no one from the Center has ever been contacted in any way shape or form by the FBI. There was never any “FBI investigation” of any type going on then or now. When the FBI investigates, they contact you or others to gather statements. Never happened, and would have been no reason to. We were on the same side as law enforcement, and to this day, retain good relations with them. For Pete’s sake, the Center was not meant to “coordinate searches”. I am so sick of hearing that. It was a gathering place for friends, family, and the community. It also had a phone to take tips in case people weren’t willing to call LE. That’s it. Plain and simple. I paid for it, and the family and community used it. It was a good thing in that town prior to the ridiculous accusations.
I have no idea how much money, if any, was actually given to the family by the community. Wasn’t my job to babysit. If they had legal issues, then it became my job. And Jeremiah didn’t kidnap Haleigh for God’s sake. He’s doing well, and has no idea of the things people have accused him of, thank goodness. The amount of pure, ridiculous falsities that are now assumed as fact by the public in the Haleigh investigation is amazing. It is so foreign to anything that actually went on during the case. Not that I care what people dream up – hasn’t affected me or my practice a bit – but you’ve just got to be kidding me with the FBI investigation thing. Where did Snoddy get that? Timmy’s site? Real credible. A site that’s been downgraded and labeled by Google as an “entertainment product” so the public won’t unwittingly mistake it for real news or facts.
I could be here all day correcting the wild accusations that exist out there, but just wanted to ensure you that no FBI investigation ever took place. Makes me chuckle the things people believe. Take care.
Hi Kim, Are you going to field a couple of questions or just post and run?
Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
The amount of pure, ridiculous falsities that are now assumed as fact by the public in the Haleigh investigation is amazing.
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Yes, and no doubt you take credit for most of them. What in the world did you think you were doing going on NG and making false accusations of child abuse against Ron? Didn’t Crystal want Haleigh found or was it all about donations and her hoping the donations would go to her and hers rather than Ron and his?
In any event, it seems odd, to put it politely, that you of all people complain against falsities being out there, when you orchestrated a campaign to achieve exactly that result.
Why are we all so quiet here? Anyone? (Are we all holding our breath and counting to ten?)
What do you want to know? And I think you guys should have seen all of the evidence that was excluded from the NG Show prior to making any bold statements such as “false” accusations of child abuse. Did you see my files? Did you speak with my witnesses? Did you have the medical records I had? No. NG is good drama.
What else do you want to know.
I have been holding my breath.
Kimmy*— Why would you say, then, that the official child/family service decisions have been made in Ronald Cummings favor? I’m not one who believes that they always make the best decisions, just wondering what your take on that is?
*I figure since Snodgrass is Snoddy and Timothy is Timmy, you won’t mind, either—
Kimmy,
Hopefully you will tell us where Chad was the night Haleigh went missing. Also, how much was the life insurance policy on Haleigh for, and when was it taken out?
Kim
I want to know about the fake search please. Thank you.
Maybe she is too busy chuckling at us?
Only my close friends call me Kimmy, Katie.
I have many theories about why one of the DCF cases was closed without prejudice, but the public is wholly unaware of the cases that were actually ongoing. So which case are you referring to? Again, there are many things the public is unaware of. I did not need to go into every detail of my representation and the ancillary issues in the Bar inquiry, and was limited by page restrictions. I addressed only the issues I felt needed to be addressed. DCF proceedings are confidential. I am not discussing what I was informed by DCF, or the reasons behind the decision of the single DCF case the public became aware of. If there is something else you’d like me to address, I’ll try to do my best.
@Me: During the case, I was given authorization by Crystal to confirm to the public that there was no life insurance on Haleigh or Junior at the time of the disappearance. I represented this to the press.
@Kate: I am attempting to answer your questions. I do not have to sit here and do this. I thought you’d appreciate me taking the time to do this for a moment. No need for sarcastic insults.
AnneInTN: I do not believe the search was “fake”. It was in an area that a family member felt strongly about due to a medium she was friendly with. I was not there. I heard they were going to search, but friends, family and other members of the public performed lots of searches during those first few months. I know those family members, and all of the people that were there, and I do not believe the search was “fake”. What on earth would have been the purpose of that? Do you know how many searches the family (both sides) and their friends went on? Lots. Just because you didn’t see it on the news, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Even Judy, who thereafter claimed to have been “attacked” or scared by Pastor Regan, showed up at our community barbeques, and even asked to volunteer at the Center AFTER that search. She didn’t seem to afraid to send me a nice email asking to fill in at the Center, or to share a hot dog with all those folks she now claims were part of some horrible conspiracy. Gotta make you wonder, huh?
Kim,
Do you feel Haleigh is alive? Thank You!
Sorry for the double post. I added things to answer “Me”‘s question about Chad. So the last one is the most complete. Apologize.
Kim,
Thank you for answering my questions. In the first week after Haleigh went missing, there was an article in the press (WFTV on February 13th) saying that Crystal had said she had a whole life insurance policy on Haleigh. Hmmmm.
Re Chad….I thought it was discovered that Chad wasn’t home when Crystal got the call and that he was out…the initial stories were that he was at his bachelor party. Hmmm.
Could you please tell us if Chad had a lie detector or not (to your knowledge)?
Thanks again.
AnneInTn: Gosh, I’d really love to be leaning in that direction, and of course, when you hear things such as the Jaycee Dugard case, you can’t give up hope. However, statistically speaking, the odds are not good that she has been taken and hidden by a third party, considering the length of time she has been missing. I am a mom of three beautiful children. I am a lawyer who looked high and low for Haleigh Cummings with such zeal, that some would say I would have torn your door off the hinges to get info on Haleigh’s whereabouts. LOL! I will always, always, always keep hoping and praying that Haleigh Cummings will be found alive, and brought home to enjoy the rest of her life with her family.
Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 6:02 pm AnneInTn: Gosh, I’d really love to be leaning in that direction, and of course, when you hear things such as the Jaycee Dugard case, you can’t give up hope. However, statistically speaking, the odds are not good that she has been taken and hidden by a third party, considering the length of time she has been missing. I am a mom of three beautiful children. I am a lawyer who looked high and low for Haleigh Cummings with such zeal, that some would say I would have torn your door off the hinges to get info on Haleigh’s whereabouts. LOL! I will always, always, always keep hoping and praying that Haleigh Cummings will be found alive, and brought home to enjoy the rest of her life with her family.
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I for one will never lose faith and hope that this child is alive somewhere. And why has Johhny Sheffield and others on that side of family NOT been questioned? I feel Hes the very one that took her or had her taken. And why did John Regan say he was a FBI person at the search. Thank You.
@Me: Yes, I was asked by someone initially to confirm that life insurance issue. Crystal and all family members said it was not true, and must have been a reported rumor picked up by the news. Not uncommon at all. The news tries its best to get the facts correct, but I have listened to reports from early in the case that were completely and factually “off”. Especially for a blogger’s high standards and scrutiny.
I have never heard the allegation that Chad was not home. I believe that is a rumor because I would have been all over firming that up for the public, and for law enforcement, if at issue. I don’t think it is a real issue.
I don’t feel comfortable disclosing who had lie detector tests since I did not report on that during the case, and was not addressed in the Bar Inquiry. But how’s this I feel confident that law enforcement has done a thorough job in its attempts to confirm ALL family member’s veracity on the issue of Haleigh’s disappearance.
Kim,
I think theres alot about this case that you dont know. Have a good evening!
Kim,
Thanks again for your answers. I understand that due to your past client/attorney relationship, you are limited in what you can say here.
I’ve long been concerned that LE cleared all the RSOs far too quickly. In that regard, I note that Sapp had just moved from Macllenny to Satsuma and moved in with a Griffis. Do you know if the Sheffields/Griffis knew him when he was living in Macllenny and whether or not the Griffis he moved in with was related or known to Chad?
Also, re Kyle Johns (the closest RSO to Haleigh’s home), I have read that he is related to Marie. Do you know if that is true or not?
Thank you again.
I know Pastor Regan really well. Although I was not at the search, I have spoken to everyone who was there. I do not believe he would have stated he was an FBI Agent. He could have said that he worked as a volunteer pastor for law enforcement in Daytona, or that he worked on a case being investigated by the FBI in the area, or something like that. I think it was a misunderstanding that got blown way out of control on the web by a few folks who dramatized it on the blogs. Kinda like me telling someone that I hoped Haleigh was alive, then twisting my words into saying I had specific knowledge she is alive. That’s why no one wants to say anything in this case. Even bonafide well wishes can get so twisted around by drama seekers who want a story written about them, or a quote attributed to them, that eventually, you are forced to say nothing at all.
Bless Halieghs little heart.Through Haliegh going missing,many seedy things have been exposed in Satsuma,Putnam co.I will always hope shes alive,but time is passing by,an still we have no word.Trust me, Who i just spoke to this evening was busting a gut to tell me good news,But couldnt in so many words.So i think Tommy has passed his LDT. Its being kept quiet.Im sure they will release it in the near future.
The Letter Art was or is going to release is bull!!! He should wait before he put something out,to make sure its truth,when i say truth.If Misy knows that to be true.She could still just be guessing.I think she knows something ,but never ever harmed Haliegh with her own hands.Fear will cause a person to keep quiet!! But its comming to a head soon.
Nasty Nancy Is rude to Harris ,yet he keeps going on her show.She must pay good money to guests LOL if i post there he poofs me lol may not like what i say.Sure has taken a long time to put That letter out,i think its nothing.If it was a bomb shell as heifer says it would have already been read on her show!!
Misty may know something,but it wasnt her hands that harmed Haliegh.An she may be fear ful even in jail,Fearful to tell.We all may even be shocked when it all comes out who took her,or who did harm her.
What was done to Cobra,an not even a thank you from PCSO to Cobra for all the risk he took .To help find Haliegh.Instead they let someone accused of a terrible crime against 2 children,one he harmed more that the other,but he was said to harmed both.These children havent lied,on this manI did read where Snodgrass es stepdaughter,said her mom lost her mind after Haliegh went missing.About the shed,the children being dismembered,an fed to gators.WTH hope thats not true,if so hes horrible.Seems like bolld prodicts would be found in,or near the sheds.If true.
Snodgrass was clearly in the wrong.He broke his stipulations for being out on bond.Cobra knew this,an the furniture issue what just to get his foot in the door where children play.If he is a perv,he didnt need to be at HBC.Chuck even let Cobra see the files,now why would he do that unless he wanted help stopping Snodgrass.I think they wanted Cobra to do this.But when push came to shove before the court,all that bunch stuck together,because they wanted Cobra gone. Could he have been getting close to the truth? Could the SO in Putnam want Cobra out of town,because he may sniff them,an their dirty deeds out? An just maybe PCSO didnt want anyone to get the credit for the case getting solved,which maybe getting close to being solved? So they all went along an pressured Cobra to plea,or be put in prision. Cobra did what he had to do if he plead.An just think all he tried to do,he may not be able to do the work he loves so much due to his work Lic,could be taken.I hope Richard Grund his frien,has people at the church prating for Cobra,i know i am. I liked him.
River,Georges claimed to be lover,Has been commenting on her tweeter page.She remarks to Brad,sounds like its Conway,due to what was said.She has been blowing out,back at those talking about her,i think shes talking to Cindy tooo about.Cause she say hey something like dont talk about me,you are in a forclosure to.I think that was her,an Cindy going back,an forth.She says leave me alone!!!
Haliegh we are all praying,an waithing for you to be found!! Precious little Haliegh,with her sweet smile,an twinkling eyes.
Another woman on tv , A grandmother was being paid with coke,to let a man named Johnny Griffen a friend of the family,the G moms close friend molest,or rape her grandchild,she says she knows nothing about it.She is said to have a lot of traffic in,an out her house.Griffen is on the run $26000 REWARD ,he also assulted a 10 yr old out of the 3 girls that were in his truck.They said if caught he faces ((25 yrs to life)).My God thats what they are sayin Mistys facing. WHAT!! See what im thinking about how the laws is so messed up.25 to maybe life for selling a few pills,an this man does something evil to a little girl,maybe more than one.An hes only facing 25 to life.Crazy isnt it.Gmas(47 yrs old)only on bond for 15,ooo bond,an SHE WAS SELLING HER G-Child for drugs.Remember S.Davis her mom let a man have her girl ,she was found dead,raped,an strangled.Lord help me ,my blood pressure is gone crazy!!!
Kim, do you know why it was 5:00 a.m. when Crystal called Marie about Haleigh’s disappearance when she was notified at @3:49 a.m. by Ms. Neves on the phone and Crystal said she realized it wasn’t a prank ’cause she heard the police in the background? Why that span of time to contact her mother? Also, what time did Crystal and Marie finally arrive in Satsuma that morning after being notified? Thanks.
I thought I’d come in to catch up and came across Kim’s post at 6:02 pm.
Now I’m bawling my eyes out and cannot see the computer screen to well. Talk about humbling!
((((((( HUGS ))))))) to everyone.
PS m2c LOL! My socks smell though huh? Sorry bout that.
In their 4/2/2009 article, First Coast News printed “Haleigh’s mother’s attorney, Kim Picazio, told First Coast News Thursday she and her staff have talked to eyewitnesses who saw Misty partying the night Haleigh disappeared.” Why weren’t any of these eyewitnesses believed by law enforcement once they were given that information by you. Law enforcement seem to truly believe that Misty was not at home yet they don’t have a credible witness? WHY?
(Article titled)
Sheriff Disappointed with Tip Slowdown in Search for Haleigh
Jessica Clark
Created: 4/2/2009 2:35:19 PM Updated: 4/2/2009 6:54:40 PM
@Me: I do not believe that RSO is related in anyway to Marie. The Sapp RSO was cleared by LE, and by my crew. If he’s cleared by my standards, he’s clear – believe me – I’m the most suspicious, “look behind the curtain” person I know. The family did not know him. When police have certain evidence and witness statements in their in any investigation, to look in places that clearly contradict the evidence is a waste of resources and defies logic.
AnneInTN: I doubt there is much about this case, the town, the truth, the rumors, the theories, the witnesses, the relationships, the personalities, the good guys, and the bad guys, that I don’t know. How’d you discovery so many facts sitting at that computer? I was there, I lived it, remember?
Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
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Yes you better believe we all her remember what you lived.
AnneInTn said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Kim,
I think theres alot about this case that you dont know. Have a good evening!
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ROFL! This coming from Timothy the nut Holmseths puppet. How funny.
@Cruisin’ Susan: not as easy as you think to get people to waltz into the police station. Ask Cobra. Even when you give them a little shove. Very complex issue, hundreds of hours of strategy, interviews, etc. There are many facts which, if disclosed to the public at large, would hinder a successful prosecution of the bad guys. My statement was truthful and accurate.
AnneInTN: do you read a lot of mystery novels or something? Geez.
Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 6:30 pm AnneInTN: do you read a lot of mystery novels or something? Geez.
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No I dont.Geez.
Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
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Thank you, Kim. Another question, if you don’t mind. Is there substantiated evidence that Haleigh was seen alive by neighbors AFTER Ronald Cummings was at work? Taking this further, since PCSO says Crystal and Ronald are not suspects, are they CLEARED of any wrongdoing to Haleigh and are their alibis for that night/morning rock solid or not? Again, thanks. (If law enforcement would just give a little information to the public, perhaps a lot of these nagging questions wouldn’t be so nagging, lol)
Cruisin’ Susan: yes, I know the circumstances surrounding the time differential and all statements have been given to LE to verify the issue. Cyrstal has not been arrested, and law enforcement has stated quite clearly that she is not a suspect. Does that answer your question? Sorry for the ambiguity but (well, you understand).
Tuff Stuff @ 6:22pm – No worries. I’m knitting you a brand new pair! But I never knit anything before so these are turning out to be preeeeety interesting socks! LOL!
I’d like everyone here to see what I just received via email. This is exactly what I have been forced to endure from this guy. The allegations are completely untrue, have no factual basis, are absolute lies. However, he’s baiting me to respond. He does this all the time, and to so many people, sending horrible things to them, so they’ll respond and he can twist their words. He has even sent me the most gut wrenching things about my own children. I just thought you guys to see this since it just popped up.
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From: Timothy C. Holmseth [mailto:tholmseth@wiktel.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:35 PM
To: kim@picaziolaw.com
Subject: Gray Hair
Kim,
I am in receipt of data that has you saying you don’t have any clients and you are getting gray hair due to your involvement in the HaLeigh Cummings case.
Is that true?
Tim
PS You were previously correct about your suicide attempt not being something that happened during the HaLeigh Cummings case. I am told it was when you were in college that you slashed your wrists.
Timothy Charles Holmseth
320 17th Street N.W.
Apt# 17
East Grand Forks, MN
56721
218.773.1299
507.381.0250
m2c can you make them extra thick just in case I might step into one of JB’s puddles? TIA
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I’m outta here. Good to speak with everyone. Goodbye.
Kim, thank you very much for your input for as much as you were able to provide. I believe that TH is very disrespectful and the way that he manages to attack you on a personal level in emails just goes to show his lack of character.
(I admit I was showing mine while joking around during serious discussion. My apologies.)
And Anne – tell your friend that actually, I never attempted suicide in my life. And my offices are at capacity with clients, not taking new clients, excepting returning clients and emergencies from friends. I am also working on several fundraisers and on two Bar Committees. If my hair is greying, it’s from being overworked. Plus, I’d fix that real quick at the salon.
Bye. -klp
Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
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Yes, I understand, and thanks again for taking the time to answer. 😎
Kim,
Thanks for dropping by and answering our questions.
Kim Hi,you say > i have no idea how much money was given,((IF ANY.))Now Kim,lol do you expect me to believe you saw no money what so ever come through the doors.The IF ANY,remark sounds iffy lol. Sorry i cant help it,i dont by that part. I never heard that Jeremiah took Haliegh.I would like to ask a question,an would like truth.Did you ever see,or hear Crystal was taking pills,that werent perscribed to her.during your time with her? I doupt they were investigating anyone there either.Wonder why it would seem all would be under investigation,due to this child is still missing without a trace,an if i were FBI i wouldnt rule anyone out,untill they all were investigated completely,or Haliegh is found
I doupt people would be trying to figure this case out.If POSC would at least let a report out on how the case is comming along from time, to time. We care about Haliegh to.An i think everyone here,or anywhere deserve to at least here upodates every now,an then.I just dont think All Hanging at the HBC were lilly white.
Why wouldnt searches be started from the center,if everyone was wanting to find Haliegh,seems the building would have been of better use than just a hang out to eat,an sell stuff.Who anwsered the tip line there? I wish you the best. I think Cobra Did try to help LE out.Wasnt it some kind of conflict,for Crystals Lawyer to be talking with LE so much.Im not trying to be rude just trying to understand what happened in this case,whos truthful,who may have taken Haliegh.Who was helping,an who was hindering the search. I so want Haliegh found.
Kim,
Not very many things pull out my sarcasm any longer but I was sincerely offended by the “Makes me chuckle, the things people believe.” Quite frankly, we don’t know what to believe in this unusual situation and remain engaged largely because the well-being of children are at stake.
I am impressed that your response was to take the high road and that it appears that the conversation improved after that. Please forgive me if my offense was in error. (I was called to family dinner and was not able to continue participation.)
I greatly respect that you represented Ms. Sheffield pro bono and I have a lot of respect for all of the people involved in this unfortunate situation.
Thank you for your time.
THANKS vaquera!
Kim i notice my question about money, an pills did not get anwsered.Are you doing some kind of damage controle again.. An the statment that Crystal had not been arrested she very well could have been if UC had set his sights on her,im sure she would be where Rons at tonight.Because he was arrested for Drug bust not Haliegh,unless somthing arises.An i still see the favor towards the Sheffield side.I remember that when you were working for CS that you did damage control for her then.To me it seems some questions asked you still seem to be in the playing field for The sheffied side only They cant be perfect.lol I do feel for both sides of the families.But i have never liked being just one sided.This is not ment to be rude.But its mop
IF? snod is guilty? IF? Its all on video tape. Makes one wonder how he still isnt in prison.
Well, Kim P., answered the question about HBC not conducting searches–they never planned to. Then why would you need the HBC center? To get tips from the public, all you need is a phone line or computer. Doesn`t it seem odd that all in one week we have had two visitors from the Sheffield side to “clear” up bad information, but really give us no information that can be confirmed? Or is it just me?
Well, Kim P., answered the question about HBC not conducting searches–they never planned to. Then why would you need the HBC center? To get tips from the public, all you need is a phone line or computer. Doesn`t it seem odd that all in one week we have had two visitors from the Sheffield side to “clear” up bad information, but really give us no information that can be confirmed? Or is it just me?
robin said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Well, Kim P., answered the question about HBC not conducting searches–they never planned to. Then why would you need the HBC center? To get tips from the public, all you need is a phone line or computer. Doesn`t it seem odd that all in one week we have had two visitors from the Sheffield side to “clear” up bad information, but really give us no information that can be confirmed? Or is it just me?
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not just you 😉
kim, What is your theory on what may have happened to HaLeigh? I ask you this queston from a mother to a mother…please set aside your attorney hat for a moment, if you can without feeling cornered (not at all my intention, truely) Do you have a theory that you could share? I don’t mean this queston disrespectfully at all. I only ask since you have spent so much time close to everything, your opinions and thoughts are of great interest to me. If you can’t say, I understand….but man ,I would love to know some of the things you know!
Kim, Are you still here? Man, I hate when that happens… Won’t you stay and give us some of your insight? You must have some thoughts about what may have happened. Just tell us what you believe happened and I, for one will not judge, condemn, or laugh, I just want to know.
Well, what she said was it was a meeting center for the community mostly, plus had a phone line for tips.
Also, I’ve been kicked around a lot for stating just WHO I think is responsible for Haleigh’s abduction becuase I think it was Misty or Misty covering for another.
So now that KP claims there were no FBI investigations into the HBC or participants, you guys can scream even louder that FBI HASN’T investigated properly.
I’ll leave you to it.
This is what I think happened…
Cobra met Crystal, investigated for a few days and saw what a mess CS was (addictions, foolhearty actions) and talked to KP and said something like “Hey, this girls child is missing and she’s a mess. We’re worried about her other child and that environment. Can you help us downplay the negative and work on her custody issues?”
TO me that doesn’t sound like anything any other attorney wouldn’t do. Work the best angle…isn’t that their jobs?
Just for the record…
Kim;
If Th sent you that email or any like it, he should be jailed! THat email was dispicable & repugnant. The email shows me that guy is CRACKED! Who does that sh#t? It’s grotesque & subhuman!
On that site he says he “can’t talk about it” yet he’s sending you and others provoking emails? Maybe someone needs to report it to the AG’s office, since he’s supposedly under some gag order.
Kim;
It also has to fall back on those audios & videos Cobra gave him. Plus the so called countless hours of interviews with you and others, words twisted or not.
I can’t wait to hear what Cobra has to say tomorrow! I’m off work so I can join in live…LOL!
Your right vacquera…first we get connie shefield and now kimP…hmmm Whats the point? Oh, I know..hurry up and forget all about it…then Haleigh can turn up and the shefields will live happily ever after, oh hell I’m too tired to go there…or anywhere for that matter. Goodnight all
HollysGmom–I have to agree with you about Tim H. Who does that and what does he hope to gain by sending “harassing” emails? Seriously, I hope Kim P does not think that people on this blog take what he says as gospel, because, I, for one, was suspicious of the Sheffields way before I ever heard of him. And I would not base my opinion on some “whack” job that harasses other people to get their point across.
MG says finaly Misty is getting things off her chest in bits,an pieces.She says maybe Mistys tird of carring the weight of everything on her shoulders.An that guess what? She says Rons right in the middle of it.Now how would she know this,or is it just what shes thinking!!
What makes me so sad about all this is one blames the other.One talks about the other.These families should be pulling together,an not apart.Halieghs missing.An from the very start,its a finger pointing issue for them.I never have heard TN say anything against MG OR I may have missed it,if something has been said.
An with the HBC I wonder if the Cummings side was ever offered to be apart of the center.Why didnt they go to their county an put a center up in the beginning,an Ron have one in Putnam.Divided from the start.God bless all of them that are grieving,in the families.I wish they would come together.CS says to Misty these are not your children.They belong to me an Ronald only.I think RC,an CS keep in touch even though MG may not like it.Seems with that statement she may still have feelings for Ron.
I so Pray Halieghs alive,an will be brought home soon.Where is everyone? LOL its only 12:04
Jan57–I also think Ronald and Crystal should have come together for the sake of Haleigh. But when Kim P entered the picture they were forever divided by the abuse allegations. I think Ron and Crystal should have did the media interviews together (instead of Misty). I always wondered where Crystal was during these interviews. But Misty did them, even though she knew she was the primary “focus” in the investigation.
Jan57,
Just curious where and when you got your info regarding MG?
Also reading that according to Levi Page twitter that Misty may have taken a poly and has allegedly failed every single question.
Tuff Stuff said,
in March 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Beings that AH is an “independant” it is open for him to be paid by and do reporting for just about anyone that he chooses to that offers him that opportunity.
I have seen AH report things supportive of CS yes and I have also seen where he has reported things that were not necessarily in her favor either.
Would everyone instead hope that nothing was reported by AH in regards to the case as he was lead to believe and report at any point? Maybe some but most definately not all.
What AH did was very risky and I do believe that he knew that was exactly the case from the beginning. It is not as if he is a newbie.
Let the cards fall where they may type of thing.
I give him credit and it is my right to whether others agree or not.
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I Too sooo agree!!!
Levi says alot of stuff that is just not true. Now what reliable ‘source’ would he have gotten that info from at midnight? I will wait for someone that is really in the know to say if that is true or not
If it is potentially true then it’s very possible that a whole bunch of folks are mighty nervous about now.
Why would Levi lie about something like that anyway? I do not believe that he would myself.
Interesting though…
I found the Levi twitter page and he is saying that the questions were pertaining specifically in regards to Tommy and Joe’s possible involvement.
We’ll all just have to wait and see if this is all correct information and what not.
We all know Miss Nancy won’t let something like that pass under her radar.
Its a reason Kim came by.An she cant say that she didnt know anything about money being taken up at Haliegh bug C.Im going back an read he repot from the situation about the bar complaint ,or what ever it was.Because i remember things said in that report,an things said by Cobra at different times things from videos that some of the players said with their own mouth.,an somehow something just dont seem right about the visit.I agree if that was TH who sent the email to Kim,it was wrong. Who was her crew,that checked the SO out?. I will have to go back an check out all Cobra said about the search,an if he said anything about what went on at the center.(what was called the fake search)Didnt he try to turn keys in to LE,an they wouldnt take them.Why?.I still wonder if,LE went an checked the site out,an talked to the people who was involved in that search.
As far as Mediums.I believe in Gods word.An it says to stear clear of mediums remember thats what Saul the king over Iseral went to one when God rejected him for his disobedience,an rebellion against what God told him to do.Kingdom was stripped from him,after the meadium visit,an given to King David–
The word says that seeking such as ((Mediums)),fortune tellers,charmers an others in that field.God says its an abomination to him,he rejects anyone who uses these practices. An for believer to stear clear of them.So i do.Not My op,Gods word.
Anyway it still seems like Kim is doing damage control for some reason.I have nothing against her.But it was sencless to put a building up to cook out,an sell shirts,an such for money.An not use it as a search point for Haliegh.But it was what they wanted,an
they paid the bills.I my self would have done things different.Im sure all the reports on what was going on at the center werent all lies from some who viewed what took place at HBC. Kim didnt you Leave quickly ,an wernt you an MG,an CS at odds when you left.I havent been there,but i do talk to someone there by phone.So im understand things about Putnam also.But it privit talks,an i dont want to break their trust by blabbing everything i talk about,some times a little,but nothing serious..It would be wrong of me to say all we talked about,with out asking if its ok first.
But i think Simon,an Jan,TJ ,Cobra an all the bloggers here.Have worked hard trying to get anwsers about Haliegh,trying to figure thing out that could have happened.To all of you im Thankful.
Night everyone I will be Praying for Haliegh.
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Speaking of Nancy Grace, check out her facebook. WOW! Something is certainly going on.
Tuff stuff she said it on her page.(Blog)She even said she felt for Croslin family,because her child had been under Rons control before to.
I think Tommy has passed a LDT.(recently).But havent heard anything about Misty taking another.I doupt she will,she may know something yet,to tell.
I think when Kim got into the picture she pretty much finished dividing CS,an RC.
Oh I see. When did she post all of that?
Klynn claims it’s nothing new but I think differently.
I posted this also in the CObra Interview thread.
If Misty did take a LDT and FAILED ALL questions about TC & JO, where does that leave us?
Does that mean that TC & JO were NOT involved and misty was trying to push blame off on them?
Does it mean that TC has taken his own LDT and maybe told what HE really knows?
Does it mean that TC & JO NEVER were involved?
So many questions, never enough answers.
Jan57….I tend to believe the info you’ve been given about Misty. I too believe she is letting the truth out a little piece at a time. Hopefully we’ll know the truth in the next few days.
My friend from Putnam was excited this evening about something.
Jan 57 said,in March 26th, 2010 at 12:57 am My friend from Putnam was excited this evening about something
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I pray its some good news. We all here need it.
Jan57,
I went back and re read your post. I see that you feel very passionatly against what you call as “mediums”, fortune teller and charmers well I’ll add to that “psychics”. jmvho but then when you whipped out some verses and all that I started feeling as if I were being schooled. Not to be rude but we are all not of the same religion. I respect your right to your religion but it stops when I start being treated as the student to someone elses religion. (Trust and believe me when I tell you that certain folks don’t even bother coming to my door anymore.)
I am religious but my beliefs are something I value greatly.
Jan57…not trying to bash you for your beliefs or heartfelt sentiments. Just wanted to know what you thought about the Marc Anthony Bookal case & Brian Ladd of Brian’s Dreams dot com. Months ago he specifically pinpointed, by a dream, the street name = Rewick, the section of wooded area just off of Renwick = 6 (mentioned in practically ever dream drawing), a well as pinpointed the area with google maps EXACTLY where Marc’s little remains were found. I’m not saying Brian’s work was instrumental in finding Marc, just that he had it right months ago, when no one else knew squat. Just curious if there is any room for Jesus or God to have helped these people. Isn’t it possible?
I dont think the Letter Wasnt that important.But its believed she knows something.But shes not the real one at fault. Someone from one of the 3 familys was kind of excited.So i just believe they may be getting closer.I do believe Tommy has passed his test. excitment tells me something.I Just happened to read what MG wrote.An shared some.Shes not who i talk to.I really dont know if i would get along with someone with such a strong personality.But i feel for all 3 families.
Hollys Gmom,
I lose respect when some of them and their alleged gift turns into a shiny, sparkling and glittery money making machine. Who’s “gift” are they really selling? Gah! Goodnight everyone.
I understand…but Brian does collect money for his “gift”…just maybe a few donations to keep his very large website going. Some of the others, either never really had it or will lose it due to unscrupulous behaviors.
Jan57…thank you for your explaination….I too think there is a reason for someone to be excited.
Holly G mom.I havent read up on that case but i would like to,an see the man,an read up on him..Maybe i will talk to you tomorrow ,an you can share where i can find that case.I dont share these thing unless its mentioned.But if i say i believe in God,but dont believe his word,i would be out of order. So God gives gifts,many gifts.But there are imposters all over this world.If this man was given a dream,an he went to the body.An didnt lift his own self up for this.Then the man may truly be gifted from God,with dreams.Daniel had the gift of dreams.But always prayed for the interpitation.Same with visions. We will chat later about this.Maybe by email. I push nothing on no one.But through yrs of studing,an scripture to explain,an back some studies.I always desire truth,not fables,an scripture for a believe is like gold.I explains the tings that arnt to be messed with,Not my words but his..Chat tomorrow.Waithing to see what has happened in the Fla area.Like i said i think TC passed.
Tuff Stuff never been schooled.Fast an pray,dont have all the anwser.Dont believe in gain.I just believe in the lord,an his word.Not against anyone here,or will i fight about what they believe.Just state an op..But if he call these thing an abomination.Which simply means he rejects this .Then i tend to believe what been around way before i was born.I had a wonderful God loveing Grand mom she been gone a long time,she love God,an always told me he loved me,an everyone,every color.But had his limits.
But im not here to push anything on any one.After tonight we never have to speak of it again.Im just a normal person like everyone else lol little disfunction lol.I love my children,an Grands.Love people.Dont like to fight but i will.Just a old country gal,who loves to fish,an restor old trucks..So i hope we can be friends..I do love the lord good food,my dogs,an birds.An love to laugh.An i pray little Halieghs found.If i could give the anwsers to her where abouts i would but i can,so i pray.
Haliegh we are praying you are still with us. I will hold out hope untill i hear otherwise.But if not i know your in the arms of Jesus. With all the little ones before, an after you.
I do so hope we have something break in the case. If Misty did fail the LDT test, she may finally have an understanding that she is going to sit in prison for many years. The truth may spare her some time, if she is not involved.
Jan57:
I will agree with you in your prayer.
Jan57…I’d love to chat with you about it tomorrow! Thanks for the offer. I DO know where you are comming from.
Hi Karon! Long time no see, been missing you lately!
To be honest, Brian is about the only person with “visions” or dreams who doesn’t claim to be psychic, just that he has dreams about things, writes them down or draws them immediately upon waking, and as far as I know has never accepted payment for his work (other than donations offered to help keep website running) IMO, he may be the only candidate I know for Godly visions, but I could be wrong about that too.
No fighting intended, just wondered what your thoughts might be on the issue. It was only just revealed yesterday that Marc had been located and that Brian had been correct in his drawings. Of course Brian didn’t actually find Marc, just that he had been accurate about where he thought he was.
Hoping everyone a good morning & happy day!
Harris posted Misty failed a secret polly from a month ago when letter was turn in by Chelsea.Who knows if this is true.Nancy waited to late.LOL ill believe it when LE puts it out.
I see stratigy being played out here,in this case.Notice PCSO hasnt released anything.
Karen Cox. I would love have someone who will come together in prayer.
Holly Gmom,ill check him out later today.
I wish SOMEONE would finally get to the bottom of it!
Seems like we’ll hear it from just about everyone before we hear anything from PCSO. If it keeps the investigation and later conviction from being in jeopardy I guess I’m ok with htat, just want to know so badly!!!
WHere? WHere oh where is Haleigh?
Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 6:08 pm @Me: Yes, I was asked by someone initially to confirm that life insurance issue. Crystal and all family members said it was not true, and must have been a reported rumor picked up by the news. Not uncommon at all. The news tries its best to get the facts correct, but I have listened to reports from early in the case that were completely and factually “off”. Especially for a blogger’s high standards and scrutiny.
I have never heard the allegation that Chad was not home. I believe that is a rumor because I would have been all over firming that up for the public, and for law enforcement, if at issue. I don’t think it is a real issue.
I don’t feel comfortable disclosing who had lie detector tests since I did not report on that during the case, and was not addressed in the Bar Inquiry. But how’s this I feel confident that law enforcement has done a thorough job in its attempts to confirm ALL family member’s veracity on the issue of Haleigh’s disappearance.
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If Chad was home that night why is he still being questioned? In fact he was just requestioned last month.
The truth is you where hired by CS and the only thing you where firming up for the public was the rumors and lies surrounding Misty and Ron.
Kim I have to agree that it is totally inappropriate for you to “firm up” any information or evidence AND IF there is even a chance that LE allowed the bio-mom’s lawyer and her “crew” to investigate some part of this case instead of LE, then God help Haleigh. Nothing could be more wrong.
Kim, (IMO) you and Marie have done more harm to this case and potentially to Haleigh than anyone other than whoever took her. For all your “protecting” and literally “whitewashing” (covering up for) the bio-mom’s side, all you two accomplished was raising even greater suspicions about those people.
Kim, YOU DO NOT KNOW what happened to Haleigh. You have no way of knowing if it was someone on the bio-mom’s side or not. I don’t care what they’ve said to you. It’s ridiculous.
All you and Marie succeeded in doing is thoroughly muddy an already complicated investigation. And who does that hurt the most? Haleigh. Congrats (not) to you and MG.
And by the way, I’m not saying that anyone on the bio-mom’s side necessarily is responsible. But what you and MG did only makes me want to keep that possibility in the light of day as long as possible. Because who knows what you’ve helped cover up or destroy in the way of evidence and LE investigation.
This is unbelievable…The Sheffields and KP show up to set us straight. WTH?
Do I understand this right, the reason she claimed to be stopping by is to show and tell on TH?
I have had a CHUCKLE over ever one spitting, fighting, growling and screaming over what this guy has wrote and it is not any worse then what has been wrote and or published else where, IMO. The only difference I see with Mr.TH is that he has taken it a step further than all the others and passed the info on to higher LE agencies for them to hopefully take a through look into this particular missing child’s case and seek and demand the truth to make an informed decision upon and act if necessary.
It is a wonder, hmmmmmm.. that Kim still has an intrest in this case and its public perception when LE has not told us anything and since she no longer represents the Bio-Mom.
Who’s ace is she really worried about TH sniffing behind if she has nothing to worry about and his BS is just BS, right?
TM39 – See Kim’s first post for why she showed up – Kim said,in March 25th, 2010 at 4:52 pm “This is the first time I’ve read this site in months, but was asked by Bill to check out this article. Just to let you know, no one from the Center has ever been contacted in any way shape or form by the FBI.. . .etc”
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Earlier a blogger here had said that Snodgrass said that the FBI was investigating the HBC and everyone there. So I guess that’s what prompted it. IDK
I thought KP didn’t have time to blog?
TM39 – I’m more concerned that she said that “no one from the Center has ever been contacted in any way shape or form by the FBI.”
What does that mean? FBI never talked to CS, MG, J/MS, JR, who? About what? Haleigh or just the HBC? At worst (to me) it looks like a pretty lackluster investigation into Haleigh’s disappearance.
I know that didn’t set well with me either. I do not understand the judgement of PCSO to not have involved the FBI because of HBH and its lack of records of donations recieved, KP’s actions and intervention into this investigation and the actions of this side of the family and their ability to have taken HaLeigh accross state lines into Georgia.
A week later LE discovers HaLeighs night shirt is still in the trailer and that it was in the dirty clothes located at the back door area.
I suppose this indicated they where looking for all the clues that could of found HaLeigh in the first 24- 48 hours?
I am not one to critizise LE and will not blantenly call them corrupt , but, something is not right here with the handling of evidence and the collection of evidence from my perception.
Do you guys have any idea how easy it would be for me (or anyone else) to get a free email at Google or Yahoo and come on here and pose as someone else. Don’t let those idiots, who don’t care about Haleigh, trick you like that.
I am no ones fool, shockwave and I trust Jan to be able to identify KP IP, since she has had time in the past to blog.
My concern is the fact that there has been obvious mistakes in this investigation. It is apparent that LE has circumstantial evidence at best and will need a confession or a body to solve this case because of the obvious mistakes made from the very begining.
To make matters worse we have seen a year long public campaign in defence of S/G family involving a attorney and a reporter and we are fixin to her from the PI that has been viciously burned and black mailed by the very two we are seeing squirm.
It is going to be an interetsing interview Simon will have with Cobra.
Wonder who will stop by then and there after to set us all straight?
Shockwave @ 8:54 – That’s true. And I took that into consideration. But I decided to leave a comment for the real KP because maybe she’ll see it (whether it was really her or not last night). No problem either way (to me).
It is my opinion that the evidence suggetsed a third party came into the home and took HaLeigh and that HaLeigh knew this person.
The circumstances that surrounded the abduction begged for the Bio-moms side of the family to be looked at as possible suspects along with all other possibilities.
No stone unturned.
I have to say that I am pleased that LE did spend the most money and manpower out at the Griffis farm in searching, just sad to see it did not happen the first 24 hours.
Who know’s LE might have solved this case that very day.
Hollys GMom thanks for the info on the man named Brian. It’s good to hear that he was able to contribute something that may have helped in that case.
Does anyone recall the gun that was found in the ditch incident? This was all around the same time that TN had said that Ron and cousin Joe had gotten into a fight over a gun, although Ron then claimed that no such fight had ever happened.
Does anyone remember the facts in regards to how that gun was found exactly?
tia
Who is Bill? Is that “Cobra”? And if so, I thought Cobra said he thinks KP is the one who set him up? Can someone confirm this?
Texasmommy39 – I was not targeting you or anyone specifically as a “fool”. I’m just saying, it would be easy for someone to do. I have confidence that Jan could weed those fake person’s out as well, but initially they can get through.
Harrell Charged With Murder Of Somer Thompson
7-Year-Old Orange Park Girl Was Abducted, Killed In October
Yes Robin, Cobra’s name is William and some call him Bill or well one person calls him Billy. Anyhow I too recall that incident Robin. They have since apparently made amends. It may have been some kind of misunderstanding? Under the circumstances and if it is possible that Cobra were set up it is possible that he became very suspicious of those closest to him? Very sad if that were the case and it seems to be.
Obviously Cobra believes he was set up if he would go so far as to accuse one of his own best friends. Very sad.
sorry, didn’t leave the link.
Harrell Charged With Murder Of Somer Thompson
7-Year-Old Orange Park Girl Was Abducted, Killed In October..news4jax.com
flmom41,
I’m hoping that is good news. Obviously there is enough evidence and the sunshine law should now make it available for public knowledge right?
Shockwave Thank you for your concern. 😉
flmom41–Harrell was an SO (if I am not mistaken) and the police had him in their sights for over a yr before Somer`s murder. Are these SOs being “cleared” to quickly without a thorough investigation? HMMM Makes me wonder!
sorry for the double post
Glad Cobra is out of this mess. I think there was alot going down in Satsuma to bring him down!
robin..have not heard that he was SO and was being looked at “before” the murder.
I’m surprised anyone believes a word Kim says.
The thing I cant get over is if Misty has nothing to do with it why would she lie? It appears that she does since she keeps trying to blame others and cant pass a poly to save her own a@@. I f she was asleep the poly would be truthful when she says I dont know I was asleep. jmo
Robin and flmom41 – There are good reports at news4jax.com that explain about Harrell. He was NOT a convicted SO before Somer’s murder.
He was being investigated and was ultimately arrested in Mississippi on charges of molestation and child pornography and was brought back to Florida. Continuing that investigation as well as the possibility that he killed Somer, LE decided today to charge him with Somer’s murder (as well as the other charges).
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22965522/detail.html
tobias @ 12:42 – Lie detector tests are NOT ACCURATE or DEPENDABLE. That is why the results are not admissable in court. So it’s completely false to claim that “If she was asleep the poly would be truthful…”
As for why is M lying? IF she is lying it could be for many, many reasons. ONE of which is to try to hide her own role or responsibility in what happened to Haleigh. But lying and “inconsistencies” etc do NOT necessarily mean guilt.
I am not saying that M is innocent. In fact she’s the first and most obvious culprit. Second most obvious is that she is trying to hide someone else’s guilt. We’ve been over that. LDT’s are not proof of anything except that the electricity in the building is working for pete’s sake. LOL!
What we are all waiting for (including LE apparently) is a little thing called “evidence.”
Yes flmom-I remember when they said Harrell was a Person of Interest that they knew about him for over a year. I think I read it in an article .
I don’t agree with Snodgrass having the right to file anything. With what he has done he is he deserves what ever comes to him in life. With that said there cannot be bonds men and who ever looking for 5 minutes or a show. The legal system cannot tolerate these greedy persons going around jumping in on legal cases. They can possibly cause the course of Justice to be jeopardized. It is an abuse of power, it is corrupt. The system says Snodgrass had a right to file because the system recognizes what it cannot afford. It is the behaviour of Cobra that is the issue. Who had to file is merely a formality in addressing a very important issue.
curious @ 12:39 – Now, that’s the truth. It’s just interesting to see KP grab for the spotlight and flap her gums some more, I guess. I’m sick of her and not interested in anything else she may have to say EXCEPT for any more TRUTH she may have learned about her former clients that she has not revealed yet. And perhaps anything else she’s done to totally derail the investigation.
robin please see my post @ 12:50 pm today for info on Harrell.
Too bad we only have sources that are unreliable reporting on the LDT and letter. I wont really 100% beleive any of it till someone else confirms it. Just wont trust what the cheeto man says any more. jmo
tobias said,
in March 26th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Too bad we only have sources that are unreliable reporting on the LDT and letter. I wont really 100% beleive any of it till someone else confirms it. Just wont trust what the cheeto man says any more. jmo
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JMO here too 😉 We know Art talks to the Croslins and I doubt PCSO told any of them if Misty failed or passed or even if she took one.
tobias–“cheeto man”–That`s hilarious lol. I call him “Pumpkin Head Harris” myself..You are so right. Why forgo the Nancy Grace show to spill this “Exclusive” and to get paid? I would like it to be confirmed by another source also.
Vaq, Unless Misty and Tommy told the family about the LDTs. But they wouldnt know if they passed or failed. jmo
I dont expect to see Orange man on Nancy for awile. Sumer T. case will more than likely be on and Mark B.. jmo
m2c♥ said,in March 26th, 2010 at 12:53 pm curious @ 12:39 – Now, that’s the truth. It’s just interesting to see KP grab for the spotlight and flap her gums some more, I guess. I’m sick of her and not interested in anything else she may have to say EXCEPT for any more TRUTH she may have learned about her former clients that she has not revealed yet. And perhaps anything else she’s done to totally derail the investigation
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She’s couldn’t shut her mouth if her life depended on it imo.
tobias said,in March 26th, 2010 at 1:48 pm I dont expect to see Orange man on Nancy for awile. Sumer T. case will more than likely be on and Mark B.. jmo
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saw this over there:
Art Harris Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 9:50 am
K–
Actually, tonight’s show is all about the flunked poly! Look for us there at 8 and 10p…and again Monday night. Art
tobias–I went to AH website..I thought he mentioned that he was going to be on Nancy Grace to discuss the letter and the failed poly, but I can not remember the date.
tobias said,
in March 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Vaq, Unless Misty and Tommy told the family about the LDTs. But they wouldnt know if they passed or failed. jmo
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that’s true, tobias. Just got finished reading Art’s crap article.
Hello everyone! Please tune your TV to Nancy tonight – if you can stand it. There will be coverage. Tommy’s attorney, Jim Werter, will be telling us more about Tommy’s UPCOMING Lie Detector Test.
Dont get your hopes up the Somer T. case will no doubt be on if NG has anything to say. That case is more important right now with news of an arrest in her death. jmo
I was reading the comments on the AH site and something popped out at me. Why did Misy make the 911 call that night instead of Ron. If he was so worried why didn’t he grab the phone and call immediately? Has this been discussed yet?
The only way Misty is getting on NG tonight is if she confesses. And ART too for what its worth. jmo
Romewi @ 2:12 – Yes, that has been discussed at length. No one knows of course. Everyone has theories, of course.
One point to remember is that R was right there, he could be heard on the 911 call M was making so it’s not like he was somewhere else. Also, if it was me, I’d have whoever was standing in the door waiting for me with phone in hand call 911 too because my first instinct would be to search the mh for her myself (even if M already had or said she had). So I don’t see a problem with who was on the phone with 911. But that’s just me.
Also George A. mistress tried to commit suicide. jmo
IF AH talks about the “flunked poly” on NG or anywhere else he better be able to say who the source is. No more of this mysterious source carp. That’s garbage. We don’t need any more questionable “information” IMO.
To much other breaking news to cover tonight. Somer Thompson case and Anthony mistress tried to commit suicide. AH has nothing but inuendo right now. jmo
M2C, I would love to see Hank talking to Misty right now if all this is true about her saying Tommy did something. I dont think it would fly to well with him. lol jmo
Yes, the “mysterious sources” are completely ridiculous and boil down to rumor, nothing more. I wish I could stay away from his site. I suppose I would if there was something else to read. And after I sucked up to Kim P. at the end yesterday evening, you all will probably throw me off of this site, too. I just hadn’t been around when she was here before and did feel bad by the end because I have no first-hand dealing with her. Doesn’t make sense to me that she comes to this site at all, though. Okay, so Cobra asked her to read Simon’s post, you’d think she’d have enough self-control to skip the comments that get her going. And why doesn’t she just tell Mr. Unmentionable that if he contacts her again, she will consider it harassment? Things keep making less sense, not more.
m2ce–Read your post about Harrell and you are right..He was not an SO , and the police knew about him 2 months before her murder (due to the child porn on his computer). I do not know where I got the year from..Sorry, must be thinking about another case.
tobias said,in March 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm The only way Misty is getting on NG tonight is if she confesses. And ART too for what its worth. jmo
****************************************************Maybe if Connie confessed what she knew tonight we might have a (((bombshell)))).
Come on Connie tell the truth about that night HaLeigh went missing.
I wish the LE personnel in Somer`s case would give Putnam County some pointers. Within days Somer`s body was found. Although tragic, at least we know where Somer is, unlike Haleigh. Did they check the landfills when Haleigh disappeared?
robin – We’ve been told that PCSO conducted the first 24 hours or so according to the book. And supposedly checked the landfill and dumpsters (although not right then I don’t think).
What has disturbed many of us is the “all too quick” (we think) “clearance” of the dozens of RSOs in the area. For one thing, that doesn’t mean that other RSOs weren’t in the area. Another problem is that we heard that LE took the sheets off the beds to give the dogs to sniff before searching. That isn’t the same as giving them an article of clothing that was only Haleigh’s.
So there are a bunch of things that still worry us even though some thing were supposed to have been done “correctly.”
Does anyone know if there have been anymore vids coming out of StJohns county?????? Why havent we heard anything in the past few weeks???
Of the many and varied things that are “oh so wrong” in so many ways in AH’s article what really got me was this:
“…bounty hunter Leonard Padilla tells me Tommy is also willing to take a polygraph he suggested Misty’s brother do on the Dr.Phil Show. But Werter” (T’s lawyer) “rejected the idea after he says Padilla asked for “proprietary” rights to the test results. “…
Now come on, folks. Has NO ONE LEARNED YET THAT THIS IS NOT A CIRCUS? And we don’t WANT a circus????? For Padilla to even suggest such a thing convinces me he’s around the bend. That hat is MUCH too tight!
And I truly hope that no contact had yet been made with anyone at Dr. Phil’s show. Haven’t he and his stupid producers learned anything since bailing out one of the teens in that infamous teen beating case a year or so ago?
That was another situation of “checkbook” journalism. Dr. Phil got reamed for that as I hope he would if he had T take his poly on the show.
Does no one LEARN anything anymore?
M2C, I think thats AH telling old news, LP probably offered that to bail Tommy out way back before he lost bail. And LP is just as goofy as AH in my opinion. I’d ilke to see LP take down AH BUT THATS JUST WISHFUL THINKING. LOL JMO
Leonard Padilla even suggesting that Tommy take a poly on Dr Phil is about the dumbest thing I have read. Its getting way beyond sickening the people who want to be on tv all in the name of Haleigh. Stop this insanity–there is a missing child!
I would like to know if this was so secret how did he get this info? Is there a leak in the LE or was this just info from family made to look like a reliable source? jmo
I am literally flabbergasted at the lengths that people have went through to get on camera. I think with all the side shows that are going on in this case, just further delays finding Haleigh and answers to what happened that night.The focus has not been on Haleigh lately, but on people who want to make a tv career off this case. It disgusts me!
How is Tommy affording this attorney http://www.werterlaw.com/
and PI
http://www.stevenkbrown.com/ ???
robin said,in March 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm I wish the LE personnel in Somer`s case would give Putnam County some pointers. Within days Somer`s body was found. Although tragic, at least we know where Somer is, unlike Haleigh. Did they check the landfills when Haleigh disappeared?
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http://www.gainesville.com/article/20091023/articles/910231004?Title=Haleigh-Somer-s-cases-are-different
tobias @ 3:40 – You’ll have to specify which stupid part of AH’s ridiculous article you’re referring to when asking “if this was so secret how did he get this info?” It applies to a lot of what AH included in the current article.
M2C,For once we are in total agreement. LOL
AH is related to NG by marriage isnt he? I thought somewhere down the line Cobra mentioned AH is an in law somehow. That could be why NG even lets him on to begin with . jmo
m2c and tobias–I am in agreement with both of you about AH. I will give them some credit with keeping Haleigh`s story out there, but their side show antics have become ludicrous.
tobias, I had not heard that AH may be related to NG but I think she’d do better just to send that branch of the family some money every month and chalk it off to “charity.” LOL!
My Opinion Only said,in February 26th, 2010 at 11:51 am I need to make one thing very clear….NO ONE inside PCSO or elsewhere has leaked any info. on this case. As far me saying anything like, “She doens’t say or reveal much info. to me” or anything along those lines….I mean, she doesn’t say much to me about the case facts, period…other than, friendly emails, back and forth, as friends do, stating things such as I hope with these folks in jail, we can get to the bottom of this, and so on
I think MOO maybe have been vindicated!
THis is what we were talking about on the day of Misty’s ALLEGED LDT….
Sounds like maybe she had some info after all.
My Opinion Only said,in February 24th, 2010 at 9:48 pm I told you…………..I thought things would actually come to a head today….but it’s coming along a little slower………..Tune in…..all i will/can say
My Opinion Only said,in February 24th, 2010 at 9:56 pm You’re getting close….Obviously CJ will be implicated either as doing this alone or she’ll rat out another (helper)…..saying she was threatened, couldn’t do anything….whatever…Once they can “prove” anything she provides, you’ll see another(s) arrest…..and then they’ll roll on anyone and everyone else involved…which is when I believe M will be arrested, again……And so that I don’t appear to be giving info. out, i will add, IMO
Sounds pretty on target….
My Opinion Only said,in February 24th, 2010 at 10:22 pm They really need for one of them to finally fess up on where they put Haleigh….That is going to be so much evidence in itself….However, CJ has now lawyered up, or so i heard…..and won’t talk. Anyway, someone would have to say they actually saw this person take the child, beyond a resonable doubt….what was driven, etc…. and some more specific facts….and it wouldn’t hurt to have someone else back up her story…But, that would finally be enough to that person…Then, tactics, etc….would probably provide a confession, but not on just himself, but the others….he will blame them, they will blame him, etc…..but it won’t matter….at that point, all have made some type of confessions/statements as to the happens revolving a missing child, when at first she was reported “abducted”….and enough then to arrest them all….A body when then seal their fate to prison or death, then, forever.
My Opinion Only said,in February 24th, 2010 at 10:34 pm She’s said so many stories, in one statement she sees a brick, in another she doesn’t, whatever…Just hold on……It’s all coming to a head….
My Opinion Only said,in February 24th, 2010 at 10:59 pm That again, I don’t know…guess it depends how quickly certain things can be or not be verified, and whether they will even be able to find their suspect at this point.
My Opinion Only said,in February 24th, 2010 at 11:00 pm Well, ONE of their suspects. I don’t believe they’ll have trouble finding the others! Lol
My Opinion Only said,in February 25th, 2010 at 6:35 pm I am not feeling well….so I won’t be blogging this evening. (I have to have surgery on the 3rd) Anyway, I was hoping that things would go a bit faster and something done today….All I can say, is they are trying to get things done and moving as quickly as they can, but they can have no slip ups, no mistakes, and all their T’s crossed…..They want anything and everything they are doing to stick on it’s own without any super glue….. I just saw AnnInTN’s post and wanted to respond. I am going to go and lay back down… You guys have a good evening / nite. Moo
WHere’d everybody go?
Oh, also there was a post I saw where someone had noticed Misty’s transfer to Putnam as being on an odd day (not court date) but I can’t find it now. Anybody else see it?
HGm – MOO also admitted that she was not really talking with anyone at PCSO and did NOT have any inside info – AFTER leading everyone to believe she did.
So all she ever did was post her own opinion while pretending to have a kind of inside scoop.
Why bring this up again? I don’t see what good it does anyone at all at this point.
No you’re wrong…She did say she was friends with someone but back-peddled. Re-read them ALL.
AH, NG show tonight. TC’s lawyer now say that TC lied about being at MH that night
WHen MOO was telling us about something going down at PCSD she was talking about this Misty LDT LOL!
This is such a tragedy. This case has turned into the gong show of the century with a little girl lost and paying the price. Now Dr.Phil wants to get in on it. If he is of even a fiber of the person he claims he is he will not get involved in the manner that LP is asking. LP should also be banned. Letters that are not produced that claim they say this or that, then when a person sees them they are not as media claims at all, especially Art Harris articles. Poly testers that are questionable, what is wrong with a neutral source that is actually qualified and does not have an agenda. One that is not pre-disposed to officers that have publicly displayed their hate and bias for Misty ‘Jason” It seems as though they keep going to sources that ensure what they want to hear but never go near a neutral source, almost as though they fear what might be heard from them. I want the truth I don’t care if it pulls out the Pope. I just want an non bias, not manipulated, fact based test,communicated in a non BS context. Preferably carried out by a person that does not make appearing on the hate show aka…NG a part of the deal. If Dr.Phil gets in on this I intend to send him a strongly worded email! As for “Jason” “NG” and the rest of the haters of human life that like to lock kids up for life for a hand full of pills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg7jA-H-jMo
What really floors me is the double standard of Justice. A doctor who knows the risks involved in medications and prescribing them is found by his own admission administrating a prescribed drug to a person and ultimately causing that person to loose his life. What bond does the Doctor get? 75,000. The officers in this case claim no bias is present and no corruption or abuse of power is taking place on a court level. Misty Croslin is found to be selling a hand full of pills and what is her bond 1.5 million. RICH, POOR, POLITICS, and GOD all playing roles in the Justice system where none of those should be present. What is wrong with these officers? They know all to well that even victims will sometimes lie to protect people and they have not done anything wrong. They know that often times it does not turn out as stereo types say they should. So what is with generating the hate and being locked into the attack mode on this girl instead of taking an open minded approach that rules in the possibility of anything being possible. When will they get it this bias attack mode will not work? I don’t think they ever will.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Hollys Gmom,i ment to get by to chat today.But it has not been a good day for me.I do hope you feel better.An ill be praying for you when you,When you go for surgery on the 3rd. ive got to step out,will be back later.
Jan57 @ 9:49… HollysG was quoting the Moo poster… moo, said she was having surgery!
Misty was and is being set up like a bowling pin..
LE wants the glare of ineptitude taken off them, they blew the case from the beginning with their bungling bull in a china shop investigation..they mishandeled or destroyed any evidence at the trailor and have focused everything on their “scapegoat” Misty. Misty already said what she knows..NOTHING! LE is making Misty the fallguy for their stupid ignorant blunder of an investigation.
Thanks cent; 🙂 I’ve been missin ya!
Jan57; Thank you for the good wishes though. 🙂
I had Miss Holly today,so I too had no time to chat…rain check?
Oj…Please tell us….if Misty has nothing else to say to LE….just what did she think she was going to give to LP or LE for her deal? She said it, we’re not making that up. What is she talking about then? What does she think would buy her freedom? A pack of lies?
Kind of worked for Tommy, if in fact what his lawyer says is true, and he gave them false info of him being there later that night just to get his bond lowered so he could get out of jail.
Yes, but now that his info proved false…his previous deal will no longer be valid. Wonder how that’s going to work.
Tommy claiming to be at MH in a lie is Waaaayyy different then Misty having to produce Haleigh or remains…don’t you think?
He didn’t have to prove he was there…..like Misty has to prove her info.
remember the jon benet ramsey case? LE focused on the family then too and BLEW IT big time..their narrow minded tunnel vision let a murderer escape..the same is happening now..LE is making Misty the scapegoat for their ignorant mishandling of the haleigh investigation..the incompetent morons!
HGm @ 7:38 – Right. She back-pedalled. And once again you’re ASSUMING.
2 + 2 = 4 NOT 5 (unless you’ve got some fact to go with that).
And, frankly I don’t care. She came on here acting like she had the inside scoop, then said she didn’t, all for attention for herself. Who needs that?
HGm at 11:45 pm You asked, “Oj…Please tell us….if Misty has nothing else to say to LE….just what did she think she was going to give to LP or LE for her deal? She said it, we’re not making that up. What is she talking about then? What does she think would buy her freedom? A pack of lies?”
If you’re talking about back when M was anxious for LP to bail her out, then yes, I think she was planning on giving LP a pack of lies. First she was insisting that he bail her out BEFORE she told him anything or took an LDT. And she insisted LP sign a contract saying he could not revoke her bail!
And she was willing to fire her lawyer over it since he was against it. I’m sure she planned to do just what monster Anthony did – get bailed out and then ignore her benefactor.
It did not happen. Probably because her lawyer finally convinced her that (a) LP would not agree with those conditions and (b) LP’s conditions would require she spill the beans before leaving jail (where probably LE could hear her, too!)
Deleted because of remarks to another blogger. Last chance!
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
OJ – Watch your mouth and your attitude. Not appreciated and does nothing to further your opinion. Only makes people care even less about it AND think you’re 12 years old. PLUS you’re going after the wrong person.
I never said that there were beans to spill. I said that was the condition of LP’s bailing her out – that she talk before he did it. My post was in response to HGm’s at 11:45pm.
You’re going after the wrong person, OJ
OJ, to explain better, IMO M could be completely innocent and still be so desperate to get out of jail for a while that she’d tell some fibs to get old LP to bail her out. It does not mean she’s guilty at all or knows anything. All it shows for sure is that she really wanted to get bailed out. And that’s more than understandable.
so go after her and take her back to Haleigh Cummings we want her back alive come its your daghter she does loves you
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