It was the usual wide ranging program, unlike some scripted programs, I like this one to roam where it may. Do not get me wrong, we do have a large list of discussion points, but I also am a firm believer in leaving the play-book when opportunities arise. And today way brimming with them.
Our first segment was about the Caylee Anthony case. A lot of the discussion involved the ‘hearing’ last Thursday concerning Casey Anthony as to her standing as being indigent. Well folks, she had no money, and no job before getting locked up, so it should have been a ’slam dunk’ decision. Right?
Well not quite. Actually there are many factors that come into play. Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon came into court with cap in hand. In what could best be described as something out of a Judge Judy episode. Who comes to court facing a hearing about money but does not think it is important to bring any records? Apparently the dynamic duo of Jose (Batman) Baez and Andrea (Robin) Lyon did not think that any records (evidence) might be needed. One can only hope that they are better lawyers than they are accountants. They openly admitted to using approximately $112,000, but the war chest was $275,000! Hey, from here on in, I am going ‘Pro Bono’ there is money to be made!
Oops, I am pro bono, damn, where did I go wrong?
The money factor bothers me a great deal. And while I have no argument with the court finding Casey Anthony with no means of funding a defense, I do object to tax payers money going to fleece the pockets of the legal low-life’s.
There was not a great deal of news on the Haleigh Cummings case this week. It is a sad and frustrating story, and few believe that it will have a good outcome. What news we had, we shared.
It was still an interesting program, and one that should be listened to.
I won’t stoop to the Bombshell, or Exclusive banner, but I do believe I might have a very interesting article in the nest couple of days.
You can listen to the entire program here.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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you were great jannie.
I am also amased at the money issues to do with Caylees bio mom,murder trial,i hate to even relate Caylee to any ove these money hungry bunch.Parents included.That a lot of money to be washed down the drain,for what little i have seen doone.I guess they got paid from Caseys funds to appeare on all those media shows,that the may have got Lic.Fess for.An for Mason,to make the remark.He was trying this case for fun.Galls me to the core,of my being.Only an azzz would say something like that ,about a murder trial,for someone who evidence leads us to believe she is the murderer of this baby girlFor no other reason,i hope he fall on his face,for that remark.
Halieghs case,i do pray PCSO will at least give the public an update on this case.Its a shame to sit in the dark,when we all are crying out for truth.I do thank You Jan Simon TJ,an Cobra for all you have done to keep everyone imformed about this case. We care,an want the truth.To date we have many theorys ,an no anwsers.Its a shame.I pray this precious girl is aliev,but it has been so long,an no sightings.Im afraid the worst may have happened.But by who.I know they are looking at Misty,but i just dont see her harming this child with her own hands,but who knows.Shes the only one in along time,that i have thought wasnt the murderer.But i could be so wrong.I just hope truth,an only truth comes out!!! Haliegh we want you found.
LOL OMG i should have proof read my post.Sorry guys !! Over look me today
maybe casey should have saved that money back she got from amy and her grandparents,i guess she didn’t think she was going up for murder charges and might need it for her duhdense funds LOL!
there were more ‘’sightings” of caylee than there have been of haleigh definitely a bad sign
I think we all need to say a prayer,we did for caylee we all knew caylee wasn’t alive anymore so we prayed just so her little body could be found so she could have a proper burial,haliegh needs to be found i do not believe she is with us anymore but she needs to be lay to rest with dignity
Jan 57,we all make mistakes it was fun to read though LOL
april said,
in March 21st, 2010 at 7:27 pm
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Not sure it’s either a bad or a good sign that there is less sightings of HaLeigh than there was of Caylee.
Caylee was dead the entire time of the alleged “sightings”.
If HaLeigh is alive, she is probably be kept away from the public’s eye. Therefore, that would/could explain the lack of sightings.
Just a thought.
I pray that she is still alive. No news is good news.
Wondering what might happen if B and L cannot account for all the money they received for “expenses.” If they cannot provide documented proof of all expenses, I wonder if the court would have the authority to order them to pay back any funds they cannot account for.
A great deterant would be that they take the people who recieve the death penalty and have gone through appeals and still found to be the right person then carry out their sentence in the puplics eye and if they would kill them in the way they killed their victim then that would stop a lot of horrid killings. They didn’t give their victims painless death. Show the horror! Then when someone is plotting a death in advance they think how am I going to get the death penalty
I was impressed by one of your callers who gave his opinion of missing and abused children. How can we start a movement to help protect the children? WE CAN TALK AND BLOG 24/7. But how can we help children? Politicians don’t seem to have them high on their list. They’re too busy trying to get reelected.
They kept saying on the show that Snodgrass’s trial starts this coming week but on his court records it shows April
2010-03-04 189 AND APPOINT REGIONAL CONFLICT COUNSEL GRANTED
2010-03-04 189 CASE CONTINUED TO 4/13/2010 PRE-TRIAL
2010-03-04 190 ORDER ALLOWING PUBLIC DEFENDER TO WITHDRAW AND
2010-03-04 190 APPOINTING REGIONAL CONFLICT COUNSEL
I would like to see mandatory minimum sentences for anyone convicted of harming a child. There should be no chance of parole. Some will argue that there are not enough prisons but if non-violent offenders were considered for probation or shorter sentences, child abusers could remain behind bars for longer periods.
Currently too many courts give those who commit crimes against property longer sentences than sex offenders and child abusers. I say put the ankle bracelets on the embezzlers to make cells available for violent offenders and child abusers.
We need nationwide mandatory minimums for those who harm children.
Crystalkdreams,yes Casey deserves TD over her air ways an to be bagged an placed in the same spot,they forund precious Caylee.Maybe then these bio moms would think twice before killing their child.But they needed to do this way back when Moms were drowning their children inn bath tubs,putting the in cars an running them in rivers.
I visit Prisons,now in Columbia SC. Went to Greewood Leath CI,for about 4 yrs,an Susan Smith sat near us ,an she acted like she didnt have a care in the world. Family visiting.But those babies dont get to laugh anymore an spend time with family,on this earth.How a person could do such things is beyond me,When theres always someone who would take these children,an raise them as their own.But im sure,if they had to suffer what their babies had to, that would be a great deture from murderering their own,or others who want to.In
In SC If i remeber correctly a Someone who worked for a county dept,that worked with children.Adopted a red girl child.Someone got suspicious when they never seen the girl around.That woman had DT the childs hands an feet,an had been scrubbing her skin with a brillo pad.Telling her how dirty she was.An that she was cleaning her up.I have many Storys from the inside,about terrible things mothers have done to their own children.Inmates tell about them,an what they know about the crime.From living with these people.
Sick people harming ,young innocent children just wanting to be loved.Thats why i believe in the death penilty in some cases,mostly when it involves brutalness against a child. An when i see a swarm around Casey Anthony to defend her,an make remarks like. Mason saying It will be fun to try this case.I want to scream.Whats wrong with defence lawyers now days.I would have to step away.If i knew the person was truly guilty.I just could not defend a child killer,for no amount of money,or pubilicity.
I have cryed a many night over Haliegh.I was born in Sanford Fla,but raised in a small town,in SC.The people remind me so much of those in Satsuma,an Putnam co.Of course i no longer live there.So i undersand theres good,with the bad,in these places.I have seen Rough ones,but they had a heart of Gold ,an would give you the shirt off their back,if you asked for it.But how a child goes missing with out a trace,is beyond me.It cant be murder,or some trace,would be there,or somewhere to be found.Unless a child preditor got Haliegh.Those people seem to slip through every crack,even going in homes of upperclass an taking their children from under their noses,not only the poorer,or drug users.Leaving no forced entry,or traces they have been there,except a precious child is gone.
An when 2 children are home,why was only the little girl taken.Was it just to hurt the dad.Because i know in his way he loved them both,but seemed to favor Haliegh,im sure because she had been sick.
Some missing children are not found for many yrs,an then their bone,someone stumbles across by accident. Some never found.I found out a long time ago,some LE are as bad a the criminals.In fact they get away with what we would be charged for.where i was raised they were caught for embezzlling county funds,Got caught after a long investigation,many lost their jobs,but few got charges brought against them,they had to resign,an pay payment untill money was payed back.Why crack was being sold on the street behind the smaller police station,an you never seen a officer ride down that road.I my self,think a pay off way happening,but that was never proven.
So i hope PCSO has been on the up,an up,in this case.The 200 pills,no money given,none sold.Seems iffy to me. An not checking out the fake crime site.Seems someone would have had to anwser for that.But all we want is truth,an anwsers,an maybe to hear from them on occasion,about Haliegh,an which way they may be leaning.
Flower child i checked spelling before posting lol
Praying always for Haliegh,an For truth.I want to see the evidence!!!
I’m glad u got that off ur chest jan..but what about the falsely accused rotting in jail? Misty was entrapped, set up like a bowling pin, scapegoated and made to be the fallguy in this comedy of errors..LE blew it big time, the moronic FOOLS! They can’t find their own arses let alone haleigh!
What did me in with Andrea Lyons,was the cases she handled.Her first when she got the dad off,he walked.The one who was raping his own daughter.He was a back woods vile man,who said hey she my daughter i own her,an can do what i want to her.Thats AL first.She got this dog off.Then when she was sitting in on one of the case where she knew the man was the killer,an she with the others let an innocent man sit 26 yrs behind bars.To help a cold blooded murderer not be put to death.
Her profile page says she feels right at home with these people.No money or Gain would let me help killers walk,or get lesser time.They should of thought about that when doing terrible crimes against other humans.I have no respect for her.Its different if the persons innocent,but if you know they murdered a child,woman,or man.An they have no remorse what so ever,an will more than likly kill again.Why house an feed them.Even God had a DP set up.Why shouldnt we have one to rid ourselfs of those who harm babies.We see all the time repeat offenders,who serve short sentences,an walk out just to do even worse than the first time. Now i do understand before DNA test many lost their lives,or served long amounts of time for crimes they didnt do.Its just such a fine line to walk when making a decision,how someone should be sentenced.Many walk in short time served who deserve the max,an many deserve less time,an get way to much.Its the Judge on the bench who has the finial say,about sentence.Maybe we need some new judges on the benches,when we see,them let many walk,when they harmed a child.
But Dept of Children services are just as bad.They leave children ,when they should be removed.Then when the childs killed,they always say .Oh were so under staffed,We didnt see anything wrong.Many know they have lied. When report,after report has been sent in to check a home out. Shanya Davises mom, a example SO WHAT DO WE DO???
Good night friends ,Jan an Simon,im awaiting your report on Haliegh case.
OJs GLOVE I AGREE.MISTY IS NOT A DRUG DEALER SHE HAD TO CALL SOMEONE TO GET DRUGS,NOT TO MENTION AT ONE POINT SHE ASKED THE UC FOR MONEY FOR A PHONE CARD.IMO THIS CASE HAS GOTTEN PATHETIC LE COULDN’T GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPEND TO HALEIGH SO THEY PUT THESE BS CHARGES TOGETHER.I REALLY WANA KNOW WHAT HAPPEND. HALEIGH DESERVES JUSTICE.BUT IF MISTY LISTENS TO HER ATTY.AND KEEPS QUIET,THEY R SCREWED HALEIGH MAY NEVER BE FOUND.IF LE KNEW ANYTHING AN ARREST WOULDA BEEN MADE.IMO IF TOMMY KNEW ANYTHING I THINK HE WOULDA SANG A LONG TIME AGO.IS THE FBI COMMING BACK?
OJ i believe She was set up,used so to speak.I just pray the find the truth,an Haliegh.I have taken a lot of flack for defending Ron,an Misty.I hope they dont prove me wrong,i believe they were just weekend bingers.An many do that young,an old. Hey when you cant make any money,an someone flashes easy money before someone,or pills before a user,what did they expect to happen.Hmmm just what UC planned to happen these two to fall into the trap. (5)
I will agree 200 pills is a strong inticement to young users,probably the most they have ever seen,who knows if they would have paid for them.Ron could have decided to rip the man off.I just know i have never ever seen a drug bust where no money was passed an no pills sold out the bags,an where UC was the front person..Now i dont know to much about the other sales.Whos they were,except Misty,an a girl picked some up from someone ,at a home.Was that person arrested as a supplier?
He pressured her about pills,another one she found out quickly wasnt trustible.He wanted her iside,to go down.Donna Brock with her old butt.I will never believe Old Donna wasnt making anything off her pills if they were sold.She didnt just spend money for a dr,to hand the whole script over to Misty,an not want something in return.She used Misty to get rid of her pills,to pass them,so she thought she wouldnt get popped for it.Everywhere Misty has went they have cameras stuck in her face,i Understand they want Precious Haliegh found.
But if they had arrested Misty of neglect,then got anwsers,if none drop charges,But the drug bust how can anyone be happy that a first time offender may go away for 25 yrs or more.Wouldnt it be more lodgical to help her dry out,an better herself.An shes placed on NG,an Nancys making fun of an uneducated girl who crys because shes in jail,i would cry to.An im a lot older than Misty. How is this helping Haliegh?
Or Nancy going over everthing she says about food.Now tell me how is that helping Haliegh,to know what the girl orders to eat. How is it helping Lindseys son to show his little face,on national tv,for perves in that county to see him,an find out where he may be staying,with his mom,an other siblings.Shame on NG for doing that,she could have blotted the childs face out,but instead she played it over,an over.That womans headed for a fall publicly one day,an its going to be a doozy. Nancy endangering that child.more than he already is.
The corn rows have been made fun of.But they dont just give shampoo in jail.If you have no money,you have no shampoo,so she got her hair braded,an NG reporting on that helps Haliegh HOW??.
I had a black nanny i loved,she use to brad my long hair,an i loved it,an her.Shes probably dead now.I stayed with my granny for 2 yrs,she lived in Charleston SC then, worked at Roper Hospital.i needed a nanny,to get me to school,an back.Granny let me go to work with her on Sats.She braided my hair all the time.
http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/flagler-county-jail-cook-busted-in-drug-sting/#more-8943
The chief cook at the Flagler County Inmate Facility was arrested Sunday by Flagler County Sheriff’s detectives on charges of introducing contraband into an inmate facility.
48 – year old Louie Scavetta of Beachway Drive in Palm Coast, had been under investigation for a month following reports that he brought controlled substances in while he worked at the inmate facility to pass on to inmates.
As to the money for Casey’s defense:
200,000 abc
5,000 anonymous donor
70,000 macaloso donation
+70,000 spent by law center - 22,500 via Lyon ___________________________________
345,000 total supposedly toward Casey’s fund
-115,000 stated as expended
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230,000 unaccounted for????????????
They must have come up with a heck of a lot of receipts, huh??? What equipment did Kyon have to buy???
OJ peoples chatting with you,an you called someone a fool,now thats not very nice,they may not know shes been questioned over,an over.What in the world.
Even “middle-men” are drug dealers. If you are picking something up to sell to another person for a portion of the profits, you’re a drug dealer…That’s what they were doing. Every drug dealer has to get their product somewhere. If you turn around and sell what you just bought or bartered for, you’re dealing.
I forgot to take off Lyon’s 22,500 so the grand total unaccounted for would be $207,500 unaccounted for. Looks like they ended up with about what was paid for the pictures left over.
Sheller it may go back to when Baezs was in court telling the Judge some of his defence team couldnt use the equipment the courts had.When he was talking about putting pics on CDs,something to do with placeing Pics side by side.An it wasnt working for them.I wonder if the Judge will have the money traced,as to prove where it went,not just realing on their word,an statments only.Like seeing price of equitment,an such. Were they paid Lic fees from shows they appeared on also? Seems like defence,as well as the Anthonys went on a spending spree last yr.Will Caylee ever get justice,with this mess going on.Its something every other month.
Jan 57
The money her mother and father made from selling pictures and interviews would not count as Casey’s money. So probably some of the monies were paid to C and G. Right?
Seller I know they depoed several officers,to do with the day Caylee was found,an they let Casey see TV.
Jill Kerly,with her bitter self.
Probably George Cindy,an Lee.
Did they depo Joy Wray?
I think one or 2 searchers.
Who else?
Wonder how much it is to depo someone.
The got copies of transcrips,an eveidence,i guess they had to pay for that.May be free.
Im sure they charged for each piece of paper,they sent letters out on.
Could have bought another Laptop,but i believe they can only use the little notebook type now. May have had to buy one of those
So where has the money left went.
I think when they appeared on shows their plane, limo rides,an rooms were paid for. At least one meal maybe.
HollysGmom, thanks for the link.
An yes selling drugs is wrong.The selling part i have no problem with.Its the 200 no money passed,no sales.A the supplier being UC.That bothers me.I have seen many bust,but never one set up like that.I personaly think that part should be thrown out.MOP.
I am also curious about the 200 pills deal. I have been under the impression that no matter whether one is selling or buying at that amount it is still considered trafficing. If they never sold a pill, ever, and all they did was buy…they still are guilty of trafficing. That is my understanding of it anyway.
Kay Mom,I dont know.But i just bet these been more money made on both sides.George an Cindy probably had much money slipped intoo their hands,as well as getting paid for being head over the foundation.We will never know how much they made the last 2 yrs.
Defence,i almost fell off my seat.When they reported Tod M. had donated 70,000 to her defence.It sets a bad example,kill your child,an money will come rolling in. Not 20 here,an there thousands.
HollysGmom,see i always thought,an seen when a drug bust went down.It was the dealer suppling an the sale was made to UC,by dealer or middle person. then a bust.I just never have seen the UC suppling,an when i saw no money passed,or not one of those pills sold (200) i was shocked they arrested them before anything was done with them,so that addeded 200 more pills to those they actualy sold.I just dont see that as right.Now if a person brings their script, an sells it.Or gets them from another an sells them to UC.Then those to me would be stable,an a bust.But once again, was the supplier from where,Misty,an the girl went to get pills to sell..Was that person arrested to who supplied the pills Misty sold. An if another passed the money to UC how can they charge her with those charges to.Maybe the laws changed,could be like robery,if your in the car,your just a guilty.
I just think Misty an Ron may have sold amoung friends,but big dealers no.May have thought wow big time now,we have a supplier,which was UC.The laws should fit the kind of crimes.Like she getting the same thing a big every day dealer would get,an its her first offence also.Seems when you have no record.The courts usualy give that person shorter time,or another chance..I doupt it with her. But many get probation, LEG m.,an house arrest.With random drug test. I myself just dont see 25 yrs or more for what she did.They dont give child molesters that kind,of bond,or time. We just saw where a man once had the girl raping,or molesting her,an her panties were used somehow.He only did 5 yrs for that crime.Somethings wrong with this picture!!Hes the one who wound up killing those 2 other teens they found their bodies recently.
Good night,lol good morning im gone. I will write shorter comments from here on out lol i get carried away .
I believe it is possible for Haleigh to be alive. Remember the little boy whose mom had kidnapped him a year or so before he was found. She was living with her mother, and kept the child hidden in a secret room behind a wall. I can’t remember any names. I’m not saying CS is behind it. If this is the case I hope the person who has her at least understands her medical condition.
Morning, Shockwave!
Yes that’s a theory and to me it is possible. As you said, it has happened. And so far we have not heard anything definite that would rule out that possibility. Until we do, I will pray it’s true because it’s the only way I can think of that she’d be okay.
LEGAL DEFINITION OF DRUG TRAFFICKING:
Under the federal sentencing guidelines, a “drug trafficking offense” as “an offense under federal, state, or local law that prohibits the manufacture, import, export, distribution, or dispensing of a controlled substance (or a counterfeit substance) or the possession of a controlled substance (or a counterfeit substance) with intent to manufacture, import, export, distribute, or dispense.”
Note it says “OR”…this means if you import, export, distribute OR dispense you can be convicted of “TRAFFICKING”. You don’t have to buy AND sell…just buy OR sell….thus, Ron, Misty and the rest of the gang were accurately charged with trafficking!
Technically, legally speaking yes I’m sure it is trafficking. BUT when I look at the video when they were arrested it seems to me that neither R nor M ever expected the UC to have so many pills (or to let them have so many on credit, or to let them have so much time to pay him).
I think the UC was someone they really trusted and who built on that trust with little transactions and then on THAT day showed up with 200 pills - enough to get many charges and very high bail amounts which I believe was the sole entire purpose of the drug busts.
It did NOTHING to stem the tide of illegal drugs in Florida. Any LE should be embarrassed by that thought.
It was a set-up especially designed for R and M (and got a few more besides).
So in that regard I believe it’s a type of entrapment - the UC decided to bring 200 pills - R and M had nothing to do with that - but it may not be illegal for LE to have done that.
m2c…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. It is no different than a UC posing as a prostitute….it isn’t entrapment….R and M didn’t have to see the drugs and this OBVIOUSLY was not R and M’s first rodeo if you know what I mean. I don’t believe for a MINUTE that this was their first time to buy/sell drugs….much less first time to use. When you look at it that way LE did them a favor….now they can get clean, sober and perhaps get their lives together BEFORE they got into something bigger and more dangerous criminally.
*SELL….not SEE
Sure, LE was watching R and M very closely because of Haleigh….but we would be angry with LE if they didn’t. LE has watched this clan steal purses, burglarize homes, have road rage endangering others (both Ron and Misty/Donna), steal checks, call 911 when getting roughed up trying to BUY drugs, have domestic disputes resulting in restraining orders and jail time, admittedly go on booze and drug binges, Ron even admitted on tape he likes cocaine and other drugs. They ALL know all the street/slang terms for drugs….they ALL seem to know where to go to get them…Misty didn’t HAVE to take Donna’s meds….I mean, one would think with all the attention from LE they could have cleaned up their acts…but they didn’t. Not the brightest move. I’m glad LE got them off the street because NOTHING good was coming from them being at large. We were no closer to finding Haleigh and it was crime after crime after crime. Now, they actually have an opportunity to turn their lives around. I guess we’ll see if ANY of them take advantage of the opportunity LE has given them.
Hi,JB! - Oh, I agree. No question, they should not have been even thinking about buying, selling or taking drugs. (No one should)
I was just thinking about LE’s tactics and the purpose behind them. Obviously LE decided how many pills to offer them and I believe that was intended to have the result it did - lots of charges and high bail.
I still don’t think M,R or T were ever “big dealers” so LE certainly had bigger fish to fry in the illegal drug trade (IMO). But LE decided to “get” these people but good and did exactly that. I can only assume it was to get them behind bars and try to get someone to talk about what happened to Haleigh.
Do you agree?
I thought her lawyers were doing this work pro bono???
richard, if you’re talking about monster anthony’s lawyers, you are right. They all say they are working for free now. Bozo, Lyons, Kenney-Baden and Mason. (Did I leave anyone out?)
ONLY the expenses for the defense will be paid by the state and there are limits for certain things and the Justice Administrative Commission has to approve every single expenditure.
Whatever happened to Lisas trial date of March 18? and Cobra is to be in court today. Maybe thats the two court hearings Simon is talking about. jmo
cobra’s trial has been put off, they are still working on a plea deal.
m2c - I have no idea what LE’s motives were. But during the Haleigh case it is obvious that the use, sale and purchase of drugs by many of the key players in this case became evident to LE. I’m sure they heard a lot of rumblings from many officials, reporters and perhaps even bloggers ranting about the rampant drug use of these folks. It isn’t like LE had to plant drugs on these people. They were actively using and seeking drugs and KNEW where to find them. Look at Hank and his Doctor shopping. If LE hadn’t done something about it, people would be squawking saying they weren’t doing their jobs and that they were letting these people get away with crimes. Now that LE has locked these people up some will say that LE unfairly targeted these people. But IMVHO, they got what they deserved. They could have said no. They didn’t have to be out doing drugs and actively seeking drugs….but they were. Drugs are a way of life for these people. I guess I just look at it as these people KNEW they were under the microscope and they STILL chose to engage in illegal activities. It makes me wonder were they even more heavily involved in drugs back before Haleigh went missing. Was this them actually being careful? Were they truly BIGGER dealers before they were under the microscope? Who knows! But I don’t fault LE for what they did. At least now LE can focus on trying to find Haleigh instead of responding to all the cases involving these folks of road rage, drug buys gone bad, fist fights, headless rat reports, burglaries, etc.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. I have NO doubt these people have done PLENTY of crimes that they actually have gotten away with MANY times before. It just finally caught up with them. I really could care less about these people. I just want to find Haleigh and if this is a tool LE can use to help facilitate that then more power to them! I say go for it and HOPEFULLY these people will get clean and free of drugs in the process. Perhaps turn their lives around as they obviously were headed down a very dark road prior to their arrests!
I also hope they keep a VERY close eye on Crystal and her clan. If she is failing drug tests she needs to lose custody of all the kids and get some help. That whole side is a seedy bunch as well and they are being entrusted with the lives of MANY children so I will NOT cut THEM any slack if I hear of another failed drug test, drugs found on their property or on the people responsible for these children. I have a ZERO tolerance policy with these people and frankly I’d like to knock ALL their heads together and scream WAKE UP PEOPLE! Time to pull it together…if not for themselves then for the children in their care! SHEEESSSHHH!
Sorry for the long post.
LOVED IT!!!! JB
JB - No need to apologize! Great post and I agree.
One thing is that I believe there are LOTS of R’s and M’s and T’s in that area who will continue to go scot-free. LE targeted these people partly because they’re flat-out embarrassed. But since the public doesn’t “know” about the rest of them specifically, we can’t fuss about them or criticize LE.
And my other point remains. LE made a conscious decision about how many pills to offer to sell them that last time (which was when the arrests were planned for). Guess what it’s based on? Bail they could not afford and the very real possibility of a life-time in jail.
Why? I don’t think it has anything to do with anything except LE’s inability to solve Haleigh’s disappearance. I hope the strategy works. We’ll see. BUT if no one in jail knows what happened to Haleigh OR if they don’t talk then very likely we will never know.
And one of the things that annoys me about that is that some people who are convinced that M or R or T were responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance will go happily along to the next case believing justice has been done for Haleigh. They won’t continue to pressure LE to find out for sure - to continue investigating. And that’s what I’d like LE to keep doing until we KNOW what happened to Haleigh.
HI JB, so happy to see you out of the dog house and on your soap box!!!!! Hope you have a good day and enjoy the fresh air!!!
JB I have missed your humor. Even though we enjoyed it yesterday just thinking about you UNDER the dog house. lol
LE will have to keep investigating or call it a col case. And if it is a cold case then the evidence must be revealed via the Sunshine laws. And some may go away but there are alot of people who will not let LE quit looking for Haleigh. Alot has to do with the Jacee D. case and how she was found 18 years from when she was abducted. People dont want this to happen again. jmo
Hi, Treece and tobias!
I agree with both of you ! (That we missed JB and what you said about the case, too, tobias)
And, JB, I do not disagree with anything you said. I just have some additional concerns but we’ll see how it works out. I know most of our group won’t forget Haleigh - or rest until the case is solved - no matter what!
All LE stings are set-ups. All of them. LE does this kind of thing all the time. It would be entrapment if a person says NO, LE pesters, the person continues to say no, and LE pesters until the person finally gives in.
We don’t know if that happened here, but there are numerous videos where Misty appears to be a willing participant.
Anyway, if Misty had said NO and then not taken any further calls from the UC, she would not be in the mess she is in now. We all know that Misty is capable of either turning off her phone or not answering calls when it suits her.
Per the UC reports, UC called and she asked him to call her back later, then when he did she sometimes told him she had the pills and other times asked him to meet her at a specific place so she could get the pills. This was how it played over and over, and Misty could have said NO right from the start, or anywhere along the way.
A person does not have to be a big-fish dealer to be charged with trafficking or to be arrested in a sting. Often the small fish are targeted and charges are reduced or dismissed if they give up info on the bigger fish. Maybe that is a bargaining chip any or all of the five might use.
JB–great post! Now Misty and Ron should see their actions do have consequences, and that their “enablers” can not get them out of this one.
JB–great post! Now Misty and Ron should see their actions do have consequences, and that their “enablers” can not get them out of this one.
This fine site is the only place I go to keep updated on the HaLeigh Case. Can someone please take the time to answer a question for me?
Was the undercover (UC) cop #1 the suppliar of the drugs to Misty and UC #2 was the buyer of those said drugs?
Meaning did UC #2 ask Misty for drugs and Misty said OK, I know a dude let me call him. Misty calls UC #1 and Misty and/or Ron goes and picks up the drugs from UC#1 and then Misty delivers the drugs to the buyer UC #2.
Sorry bout the double post!
What ever happened with that letter Misty supposedly wrote? I have not heard what went on with that.
BB-12
I thought that their was only One UC that Misty sold too. And Donna Brock would get the pills for Misty plus Misty had other drug connections.
Did you watch the video’s?
I think the Big Fish dealer that supplied them before Haleigh went missing would know better than to be anywhere near them. I have always thought the guy they were dealing with was Jerome Williams or Donny Spells but thats just my feelings. I also had the feeling the wild weekend was really a drug run from the Mexicans back to Jerome or Donny, I just have a feeling while watching NayNay tell her story about that weekend. And later in the letter she more or less reminds Donny that she was with him, its like get me out of this or I will tell. But thats just my feel of things. jmo
Robin
I was suppose to be on Nancy Grace. Art harris was suppose to find out about it.. Actually Art was suppose to be on there tonight but instead Natalee Hollaway case is going to be on tonight. Not unless she changes it again a last minute .. So Art must not have found out anything. And Tommy is suppose to take the L.D test soon……. So I’m thinking that she has named him in the letter because all this come out about the same time.. What do you think?
And I am sorry if I offend anyone when I say this–but Connie Sheffield that many have their “blinders on”. I thought it was odd she posted at the same time the “fake search” was being discussed and Johnny/Marty Sheffield. She picked a “great” time to throw the discussion off track IMO.
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Robin, I agree the timing was interesting but one thing that she did do is admit that search DID happen. Some have tried to act like it DIDN’T even take place.
ky mom, I agree she is probably naming Tommy.
Have to run errands, talk to you girls later, hope you all have a nice day.
Frankly, I do not know what to thank of Misty–one minute she knows nothing and the next she is going to “hurt” two people. Who knows what it says or even if its genuine. I thought we would hear something by now, or even see a copy. Misty wants out of jail and I think she would say or hurt anyone to do that. IMO
If Misty will or has said anything that would hurt two people, it could be Cousin Joe and possibly his mother. Meaning, she might implicate Joe (who they care about a little) and his mom (who they care about a lot?) would be hurt by him being implicated. Maybe? JMO.
treece–you are right. Their actions toward Judy (the Wal Mart incident) showed their callousness IMO. For the many selfless hours she spent searching for Haleigh and the time with JR at the Haleighbug foundation (Judy), a simple acknowledgement or “HI” is the least they could do.IMVHO
Didn’t Misty take money from UC and put it in her bra??? I remember that on one of the videos.
m2c I agree they were set up soley for the purpose of LE having a reason to put them in jail, but the only way to HOLD THEM AND KEEP them there was to set the bonds so high.
I would be curious to see what others who have been arrested for the same amt. of pills/type have had their bonds set.
Cath, I think Misty will at least try to pin it on someone else, but the Tommy or Cousin Joe would be too easy. She would have told on them from day one unless she was involved. Misty knows but she is in it up to her eyes. jmo
ronfan said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 11:34 am
“I would be curious to see what others who have been arrested for the same amt. of pills/type have had their bonds set.”
In Minnesota- a female bail was 500k cash and several males bail was over 1 million. People here tend to get very high bail if they are from out of state. Females tend to have much lower bails.
Was that the real Connie Sheffield yesterday?
Is Cobra’s case being continued because Snodgrass’ is??
Cathartic and BB-12 Chris:
But wasn’t the only time that a large quantity of pills was involved was when the UC gave 200 to R and M to sell for him and then immediately arrested them?
Believe me my ONLY point is that LE planned that in order to get the high bail and to pressure someone to “talk” and/or lock them up for life.
The thing is both Misty and Ron agreed on camera to sell the drugs for the UC. Even joked about not being worried about getting them sold. jmo
I zeroed in the lie detector statement that “connie” made. If I understood correctly they havent taken one. Very suspicious
Also the bust had to happen after he gave them the 200 pills those pills couldnt be sold to the public. The UC up to this point only bought pills from them and that took pills away from the public. The thing is they were getting in deeper and deeper into the drugs and never got cold feet. The last video showed how willing they were to get their kick back of money by doing this monthly with the UC. JMO
Good afternoon all. I would hate for MC to get 25 plus years. I think she is young. RC, well, he’s had several chances to get his act together. Regardless of how much time they do, I hope it all leads to Haleigh coming home.
I couldnt get over Misty telling (in her mind) a big drug dealer where Junior was that day.
She told him Junior was at the play and stay and pointed it out when they drove by it. I also wonder why Katrina was never arrested for being there? jmo
Tobias, I still believe Misty may have gone out that night leaving the kids alone and decided from the start not to admit that. And as time passed it became an even bigger problem for her to admit it. If she admits it now, she would have to say where she was and who she was with. I doubt she was alone if she did go out and if she was out dealing that night, I do not see anyone who had contact with her coming forth. However, one never knows what might happen in this case.
Haleigh…where are you baby?
BB12-Chris, I found this example for you (look how many pill he sold, and he only gets 20 years!?):
From the “Orlando Sentinel”
Doctor pleads guilty to selling painkillers
A West Palm Beach doctor is charged with illegally prescribing 36,600 pills for $200,000.
February 18, 2006|By John Cote, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
WEST PALM BEACH — A West Palm Beach pain-management doctor pleaded guilty Friday to federal charges of illegally distributing the painkiller OxyContin.
Federal prosecutors accused Dr. Andrew D. Weiss of getting at least $200,000 in kickbacks for illegally prescribing 36,600 painkiller pills — including OxyContin, Percocet and hydrocodone — to people who weren’t patients from 2001 to 2004.
Weiss, 45, of Boca Raton faces up to 20 years in prison on each charge after pleading guilty to four counts of illegally distributing a controlled substance
On one of C. Anthony’s many jailhouse tapes she says that she feels in her gut that Caylee is still alive. MC says in one of her jailhouse tapes, when asked by her Dad if Haleigh can still come home, that Haleigh can still come home. Just posting one of the many eerie similarities in this case, at least if it were founded to be true. Which, hopefully I am wrong.
m2c,
I believe for it to be a trafficking charge, there had to be a certain amount of the drug dealt. This means each time. They have numerous counts, so each count has to be for enough of the drug to qualify as trafficking. With prescription drugs, it is not the number of pills but the milligrams that counts. If any of these “incidents” was not for an amount that qualifies under the law as trafficking, the charge for that incident would not hold up in court. This does not appear to be a situation where it is cumulative; if that were the case there would only be one or two charges covering all the deals.
Misty is young but she knew from her family experience what was going to happen if she did this crime and got caught. She is not the average teen who knows nothing about drugs and jail. If you research the whole Croslin family tree has relatives doing time. Several cousins are right now in jail. In this family it is common place. And since Lindsy was getting herself an education Misty could have too.
Her Grandma tried to encourage family members to get an education, she talks about the wall having everyone diplomas on it. Sounds like she was trying to get family to educate themselves. jmo
tobias @ 11:26 am - I am not debating their idiotic willingness to buy/sell. I am pointing out the deliberate choice that LE made to offer them THAT MANY pills because of the consequences - impossible bail AND possible life sentences. THAT is what LE wanted. The bust was obviously planned to happen right after the transaction for that many.
All I’m doing is pointing out LE strategy and trying to figure out their goal(s).
That’s true Tobias, but what MC’s family members have done won’t be discussed, because they are not on trial with MC. MC will be on trial for what she has done, and only the facts will be presented. Anything else is just “heresay”.
Good afternoon Everyone!! I am just taking time to check in for any news, before I have to run out again.
JB your post at 10:03am was absolutely an awesome post!
m2c I agree also with your 10:27am post. No matter what!! LE still needs to find out what Happened to Haleigh!! Amen to that that!
I watched the stress test again and when Misty says her whole life has been awful and it doesnt look like its gonna get better. I thought wait a minute, she just got married to Ron and if she thought Haleigh was going to be found why would she think her life was not going to get better? And if she would have passed that test like she hoped than Ron would have no doubts. jmo
Just throwing this out there: I wonder if I could pass a stress test. If asked certain questions, I might feel stressed even if I had nothing to hide.
I personally give such tests a 50/50 chance of revealing anything concrete. They are only as good as the person administering; some testers are knowledgeable and others not so much.
JMO
Well with Misty setting in jail LE will have plenty of time to find Haleigh. There is no statute of limitations if she is found to be dead. And it also leaves them time to check on the otherside of the family. If they feel that it is over and the ones in jail did it, the pressure may be taken off but they will be watching and waiting for someone to mess up.
The theory Ron has about Crystal going to Montana and reuniting with Haleigh is rediculous until she is found Crystal and family will be watched. Especially by the people who publicly were burnt. jmo
Simon/Jan - Wow, that John Gonads is really an annoying a**! He is obviously jealous of you. He’s got nothing better to do but to cry and complain about you. It’s crazy!
I’ll be staying right here to get all the best info. Thank you for all your hard work!
How could you not be stressed when you are the automatic person responsible for a missing child just because you were supposedly the last person to see said child?
tobias @ 12:24 -
R and M were married March 12, the stress test was in late August, they divorced in October (or that’s when R filed for it).
And as far as M saying “her whole life has been awful and it doesnt look like its gonna get better” - with the exception of her marriage to R which seemed to make her happy at the time, she was entirely correct.
And if she’d been overwhelmed with happiness, you’d say it was inappropriate and THAT showed no regard for Haleigh. I know, you can make it work for you no matter what anyone says.
cathartic @ 12:32 - I agree. And I don’t think any of the tests at that time were administered properly anyway(LDT, voice stress or “hypnosis.”)
m2c♥ said,in March 22nd, 2010 at 11:43 am …my ONLY point is that LE planned that in order to get the high bail and to pressure someone to “talk” and/or lock them up for life.
I agree with you 100%. This was definitely a setup on the part of LE to get Misty in jail to put pressure on her. Others, including Ron, were caught in the net, but I think the main target was Misty. It’s clear that LE believes that Misty knows something critical to the case. She has not buckled yet, so who is she protecting? Or does she really not know anything but is desperate enough to point to someone else in hopes to free herself?
Either way, this may just be delaying resolution of this case. It may be that LE has been searching up the wrong alley the whole time. If so, what would it take to restart this investigation in the right direction?
Why do you feel the test were not administered properly? The guy was a professional and has an upstanding career giving these tests for many years. And they were turned over to LE afterwards.jmo
OJ’s glove said,in March 21st, 2010 at 11:44 pm I’m glad u got that off ur chest jan..but what about the falsely accused rotting in jail? Misty was entrapped, set up like a bowling pin, scapegoated and made to be the fallguy in this comedy of errors..LE blew it big time, the moronic FOOLS! They can’t find their own arses let alone haleigh!
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OJ,I couldn’t agree more.
Aligoo, I believe the Haleigh case has gone cold. I believe any tips that might come in would be investigated, but I do not think LE is now actively searching for Haleigh or for clues, imo.
They stopped because they believe they know what happened, or they stopped because they do not have a clue. But it does appear as though they have stopped looking.
How sad that is.
Not a cold case yet, according to Art Harris:
“The disappearance of Haleigh Cummings is still being considered an “active” investigation, and a team of detectives are currently assigned to this case. Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and investigators from agencies throughout the country have invested thousands of man-hours into this investigation thus far.”
Hi, Shockwave! I bet LE will never want to declare it a cold case because then they might be subject to the Sunshine Law and have to open up their files for everyone to see.
tobias said,in March 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm Why do you feel the test were not administered properly?
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Maybe because the layered voice analysis test isn’t as reliable as TJ Ward would like the public to think. I wonder how TJ Ward explains Joanna Hayes??? He cleared her and she’s charged with murder. Ooops
“Both the mother-in-law and husband have denied involvement. The two passed a lie detector test administered by T.J. Ward, who was hired by their attorney.”
“They both took a layered voice analysis test and we found no deception,” said Ward, who also worked on the Natalee Holloway case, the Alabama high school student who disappeared in Aruba. “They have no knowledge of the murder and did not participate in the murder.”
http://ww w.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-in-law-key-129707.html
Mother-in-law charged with murder
http://ww w.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-in-law-charged-168803.html
Research casts doubt on voice-stress lie detection technology
htt p://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/669.html
Stress and Deception in Speech: Evaluating Layered Voice Analysis
htt p://deception.crimepsychblog.com/?p=316
Good point m2c. I hope that is not the case. If you can’t trust your local LE, who can you trust?
Frightening thing is LE goes quiet right before the storm. Everytime they get quiet someone or something happens. They arent letting any info out at all and when they do I have a feeling all hello is going to open up on here. That letter if it exsists hasnt made it to the public and there has been no LE comment about it WHY? JMO
tobias said,in March 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm Why do you feel the test were not administered properly?
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Maybe because the layered voice analysis test isn’t as reliable as TJ Ward would like the public to think. I wonder how TJ Ward explains Joanna Hayes??? He cleared her and she’s charged with murder. Ooops
Google the Atlanta-Journal Constitution artile “Mother-in-law key suspect in Target slaying” and “Mother-in-law charged with murder”
“Both the mother-in-law and husband have denied involvement. The two passed a lie detector test administered by T.J. Ward, who was hired by their attorney.
“They both took a layered voice analysis test and we found no deception,” said Ward, who also worked on the Natalee Holloway case, the Alabama high school student who disappeared in Aruba. “They have no knowledge of the murder and did not participate in the murder.”
To see articles about Layered Voice Analysis Technology research, google: “Research casts doubt on voice-stress lie detection technology” and “Stress and Deception in Speech: Evaluating Layered Voice Analysis”
(I tried to post the links but my post didn’t post):(
cathartic said,in March 22nd, 2010 at 1:20 pm Aligoo, I believe the Haleigh case has gone cold. …They stopped because they believe they know what happened, or they stopped because they do not have a clue. But it does appear as though they have stopped looking.
I think LE stopped because they believe they know what happened. This is human nature! When you decide the most likely scenario, then everything that fits this scenario reinforces your belief and everything that doesn’t is disregarded as irrelevent information. I can see PCSO falling into this and even maybe FDLE, but I’m surprised that the FBI has gone along with it. But if it’s only one guy, then he may have bonded with the Florida LE’s and become less objective.
I used to believe that “Misty is the key” along with everyone else, but I’m getting more and more skeptical. Misty’s failure of the polygraphs and other tests could very well be due to the huge defensive chip on her shoulder that she has developed because of her life. She may be guilty of Haleigh’s abduction, but quite possibly might not. Time will certainly tell. But, if LE is wrong, then it will be very hard to get this investigation back on track.
Cruisin’ Susan said,in March 22nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm…To see articles about Layered Voice Analysis Technology research, google: “Research casts doubt on voice-stress lie detection technology” and “Stress and Deception in Speech: Evaluating Layered Voice Analysis”
(I tried to post the links but my post didn’t post):(
Here ya go, Susan:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040211080041.htm
http://deception.crimepsychblog.com/?p=316
I want to believe that LE is pursuing every possible lead in this case and are looking at all families involved. But when “connie sheffield” posted Sat. she says they have not been given LDs. Why not–if LE is looking at every angle?
Sorry for the double post–again!
Just wanted to say “hi” to everyone. I was travelling on Saturday and sick yesterday but I have gone back and read most of everything. “Most” because, wow, what a couple of days it has been. I wondered if I would have asked Connie Sheffield anything when she logged on. I realize that she would not have answered me, though, because she didn’t answer anything that anyone else asked that was along the lines of things I was interested in. Still, I was very sympathetic toward her. She has been through a lot and probably doesn’t know much more than we do about what is going on.
I keep going back to what LE found that first night and shortly thereafter. SOMETHING they took into evidence is guiding them. I think they have a VERY good idea what happened but just can’t prove it. With this bunch now behind jail they’ve got them all separated and can only hope they will turn on each other. I am truly beginning to believe that LE KNOWS the truth. They just need someone to give them the proof they need. Obviously JMO and perhaps a whole lot of wishful thinking too. I know, I know….I’m to go to the dog house now! LOL
and that’s behind bars…not behind jail! LMAO
sorry double posts
Huh, well, I guess I better get me a doghouse as well because I very much agree with you, LB. I think that most likely “Misty holds the key” because they need an eyewitness, or perhaps, “EARwitness.” (Sometimes I wonder if someone phoned her and lured her somewhere.)
Aligoo,
Whether Misty passed or failed polys and other tests really does not tell me much. The girl HAD to be stressed, for crying out loud! Plus, she could have been under the influence of *whatever* prior to any tests, making the results inaccurate. And then there is the known inaccuracy of the tests in general, which is the reason they are not admissible in court as evidence of guilt or innocence.
I do not hate Misty, and I do not see her as one who could purposely harm Haleigh, but I do believe she would stop at nothing to protect herself. Meaning, if Haleigh met with an accident and Misty had reason to believe she would be blamed, she would cover. Or, if she was not there and had reason to believe she could be charged with endangerment leading to harm of a child, she would cover, imo. Or, she might truly not know what happened to Haleigh.
My only problem with Misty is I believe if she had been honest from the get-go about every detail of events from the time Haleigh got home from school until the time she found her missing, she might have been able to aid LE in finding Haleigh. Possibly not, but if the possibility existed I have to hold her accountable if she did not do all she could to help. I do not believe Misty did all she could to help in the initial hours/days, but that’s just my opinion.
This could be a case of discipline gone wrong; no symptoms immediately but everything goes south later on, once the child goes to sleep. Or Haleigh could have ingested a drug and showed no symptoms whatsoever for hours.
Aligoo said,in March 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Here ya go, Susan:
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Thanks for posting the actual url for those articles, Aligoo, I don’t know why they wouldn’t post in my post.
Maybe they got their story straight a long time ago…right after the rat was put in the mail box. Isn’t it a Federal Offense to put something in someone’s mail box unless you work for the post office?
By the way…I’ve done some remodeling to the dog house….it now sleeps 8, has a game room, jaccuzi and a kitchen big enough to whip up all my favorite doggie treats. I’ve also installed internet so I never have to come OUT of the dog house! Now accepting reservations! LOL
Failing a lie detector does not make Misty “guilty” in my eyes. Innocent people have been known to fail them-and guilty people have been known to pass them. They are only used for investigative purposes. I wonder if she is the only one to “fail” one. That`s of course if we know who all has been subjected to one in this case.
JB - Did you make your wife mad? For that matter, are you equipped to have a wife?
I’m very hopeful, JB, but I have to say that doubts are creeping in. Either Misty must have an incredible reolve or she really doesn’t have any legitimate information to give. I’m hoping that it’s the first and that her attorney is busily negotiating a plea deal that will lead to Haleigh. But, if it’s the second, then time’s awasting.
Shockwave…I’m not equipped to have a wife….a husband maybe…but not a wife! ROFLMAO
I just end up in the “blogger dog house” frequently. Not that I post anything really revolting or over the top (I hope)….but I do have a habit of playing “the peacemaker” which lands me in hot water! LOL
And sometimes my opinions and views aren’t the most popular….but I have found I’m pretty good at singing Kumbaya and making S’mores! LMAO
Aligoo, yes. I thought that it would take “a while” to verify whatever Misty had to say and to get a plea bargain in place. But wow, it has been two months now. But the wheels of bureaucracies do churn slowly…
JB - I know if I’ve ever disagreed with you or anyone else it isn’t something I lose sleep over, and I’m not trying to be rude to anyone in the first place. You know, you got to speak your mind. Most people don’t understand why something so terrible has to happen to someone so innocent, and it’s good to come one here and hash it all out. Maybe even helping in some way, or at least hoping to.
I do not envy LE in this case, but I do believe the “drug bust” is just that–A BUST, because no relevant information has been obtained to find Haleigh–no rolling over on the other. Just a silly soap opera starring the Croslin family.
Robin, It’s hard to imagine, though, that all of those drug charges wouldn’t be dropped if they just told the truth about that night.
Yes, but if any of them had anything to do with Haleigh, they would probably rather have only the drug charges than have murder or manslaughter/negligence added to the list of charges.
Shockwave, I suppose, but wouldn’t that be part of the bargaining? You would tell your attorney what really happened and they would help you negotiating your “best deal.” But more than anything, LE would want the truth? In which case, it would take forever, I suppose. And yes, I realize that I am hopelessly optimistic about this.
Shockwave….yes, it is “therapy” to come here and discuss the cases. I started reading blogs with the Caylee case and finally started posting during the Haleigh case. It really does help to know others feel hopeless and helpless when it comes to these horrible crimes. I don’t mind a good debate but when people turn vicious and ugly….I have a tendancy to interject humor to break up the commotion…..however, it isn’t always appreciated….thus the dog house!
Robin….keep the faith! We don’t know WHAT LE is getting from these folks while they’re behind bars. Remember, we only see and hear what they allow us to. There could be TONS of info redacted that IS relevant. I have to keep hoping, praying and believing that LE IS on the right track, has SOMETHING they are working on because the alternative is too painful to think about.
Thanks for the pep talk, JB, I really needed it!!
Kate - I agree….I think the drug charges would go bye bye for the person who comes clean. I have to also believe that LE has the right people in jail who know the truth and have the ability to bust this case wide open. Time is on LE’s side. It is painful and stressful for us to wait but if it means bringing Haleigh home, then we must dig deep and find some patience.
Kate - you are most welcome. There are days when I feel I’ve lost all hope but then I come here and read all the thoughts, theories, opinions and views and realize I’m not alone. There are so many of us praying for resolution and we CANNOT give up hope. Haleigh needs us (and ESPECIALLY LE) to hang tough and NOT GIVE UP!
For your Information said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am — Haleigh Cummings – Caylee Anthony – And Others – BNN Hits The Airwaves
JoJo aka pocahanas aka higherhopes aka Boo211 exactly how many screen names are you going to go through? Had to fix my typo, to early for this.
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Would someone refresh my memory for these names? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
Hey Jan…. Are you asking us who that person is? I have no idea. Anyone know this person or these persons?
The statement Misty made about telling her lawyer what she knows and him being comfortable with it has me curious what she told him. And would she lie to her lawyer?
I would have said yes but she seems pretty happy with him right now.Next question is why isnt there a plea deal in the works? And why would she write a letter to a relative when she has already said on tape (which she knew was recorded) 2 will be hurt. And LE didnt retract it why? Because its a farce, to mislead LE and us into thinking its Joe or Tommy? Just thinking out loud. jmo
Jan Barrett said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 2:51 pm
For your Information said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am — Haleigh Cummings – Caylee Anthony – And Others – BNN Hits The Airwaves
JoJo aka pocahanas aka higherhopes aka Boo211 exactly how many screen names are you going to go through? Had to fix my typo, to early for this.
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Would someone refresh my memory for these names? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
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I will email you and explain.
Ky Mom said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 am
Robin
I was suppose to be on Nancy Grace. Art harris was suppose to find out about it.. Actually Art was suppose to be on there tonight but instead Natalee Hollaway case is going to be on tonight. Not unless she changes it again a last minute .. So Art must not have found out anything. And Tommy is suppose to take the L.D test soon……. So I’m thinking that she has named him in the letter because all this come out about the same time.. What do you think?
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May I ask why you were supposed to be on Nancy Grace?
No JB I know those names - JoJo aka pocahanas aka higherhopes aka Boo211 but my head is still cloudy and I can’t remember who they are or why they sound so familiar to me or if it should be important. Sorry, I am getting old and the mind just isn’t like it use to be
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
oh and one more thing… Pat, your comment leaving your link for your petition was held back in moderation and I accidentally deleted it so can you please leave the message again and I promise to make sure it gets added. Thanks and I am really sorry.
Hey Tobias…..all I can figure is Misty isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer. She has run her mouth constantly which I’m sure is about to send her attorney into seizures! She did do a quick 180 degree turn and went from I hate my attorney…call LP and have him get me out to…I want to keep my attorney, I know he’s working for me and tell LP to stay away. I think the reason for that is there could BE a deal in the works. If she told her attorney the truth (or her version of the truth) and then the attorney went to LE…..they are obviously going to have to work on confirming whatever Misty told them….that will take time. She is probably thinking she’s on her way out the door any day now. Maybe the “hurt 2 people” comment and making everyone think she is talking about Tommy and Cousin Joe is all a farce….perhaps done to throw everyone off on who she is ACTUALLY pointing the finger at behind closed doors. I have to believe that her attorney would have made it clear to her a deal is off if she runs her mouth. And maybe she was worried about telling the truth and whoever she is pointing the finger at knowing it was her that ratted them out. So they made up this little show for the cameras to point at Tommy and Joe….meanwhile behind closed doors she is pointing at someone totally different. Did that make ANY sense? LOL
Vaquera…I think she corrected her post. It was supposed to say….IT was supposed to be on Nancy Grace….NOT…I was supposed to be on Nancy Grace. LOL I thought the same thing but saw a later post where she corrected that statement.
Vaquera: I think Ky Mom meant “It was supposed to…”
Not sure, but I think that’s what she meant.
JB, I can see where you are going. One thing that keeps popping up in my head is this Trenton guy she talked about before she realized she was being taped. He was brought up an awful lot not to be important to Misty.
I believe she asked about him 3 times.hmmm.
He wont call, write or visit seems he wants far away from her for sure. jmo
vaquera said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Ky Mom said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 am
Robin
I was suppose to be on Nancy Grace. Art harris was suppose to find out about it.. Actually Art was suppose to be on there tonight but instead Natalee Hollaway case is going to be on tonight. Not unless she changes it again a last minute .. So Art must not have found out anything. And Tommy is suppose to take the L.D test soon……. So I’m thinking that she has named him in the letter because all this come out about the same time.. What do you think?
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May I ask why you were supposed to be on Nancy Grace?
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I meant “It”( meaning the case) I put that on there after I seen What I did.lol
Jan…sorry I can’t help and I do hope the “cloud” lifts for you soon. It has been a rough couple of years. But I do want to say how much I appreciate you and Simon giving us this place to discuss the cases. HUGS!!!!!
m2c♥ said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Vaquera: I think Ky Mom meant “It was supposed to…”
Not sure, but I think that’s what she meant.
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ok,LOL was just a wonderin’.
Sorry I meant Tallent I guess I am catching the old age thing too. lol
Tobias….I have to believe SOMETHING is in the works…that either something they’ve said has given LE what they need (or is at least helping) OR an attorney is getting info to use to help get them off the drug charges. SOMETHING has GOT to be going on…..oh to be a fly on the wall!
Trenton is the password she used isn’t it? That creeps me out! LOL
So who is “Tallent”?
No one knows for sure. At least I dont. jmo
At the very least, I would think there could be some deal in the works to get Misty’s bond lowered. I cannot believe her attorney is not working on the bond issue so, unless Misty can be deemed a flight risk we may see her bond lowered. I have no reason to believe Fields is not doing all he can for Misty. Time will tell what his strategy is.
I think she said that for Ms. Nancy to read or hear. Kinda like I am going to sue you too.jmo
Tobias….wow, hadn’t thought of that. Did seem like Miss Nancy was the subject of much of their conversation so it could be a message to her! LOL
Cathartic….I think Fields is doing a lot behind the scenes. Would explain Misty’s big change from “Call LP and have him get me out today”…to “No, I’m happy with my attorney and I know he’s working for me….tell LP to stay away”. To me that indicates SOMETHING is in the works. I also think the pointing of the finger towards Tommy and Cousin Joe was for the camera and for NG. I think she’s told a totally different story to her attorney…but JMO.
Does ANYONE know who Tallent is?
Jan / Simon….did Cobra or TJ ever mention someone named “Tallent”?
There is a Phillip Tallent and an A. H. Tallent in Satsuma…..hmmmmmm……the other 6 listed in Satsuma are females.
Cath, If she makes bail where will she go? Her parents arent allowed to have her where they live. Lindsy cant help her even is she wanted which I doubt. Misty has no money and no place to live. All her friends are on probation or are felons. Just wonder where would she go? Fields house? jmo
Tobias, if I recall, Talent is someone Misty thought was a friend. She wanted him to visit and/or write to her, but in one video Hank Sr., tells her Talent is not her friend. She seemed surprised to hear that, but didn’t really press it further. For whatever reason, this “Talent” has apparently made it clear that he cannot visit Misty or write to her.
I wonder if Talent is first or last name and whether it is TALLENT or TALENT (one T or two)? There are a BUNCH of people with the last name Talent AND Tallent in that area….dang it!
Tobias, I agree Misty has nowhere to go except possibly to relatives out of state. She could not associate with other druggies, so there go her friends and most of her family. She has no means of support, so cannot rent a place.
Also, I have to consider she is staying in jail because Fields wants her to stay there…possibly for her own protection? With this case you just never know.
JB, Its a male because she says he and him.
Hank knows who he is and so does Lisa. Its always made me curious because she kept asking.
And it was in the real early tapes. jmo
Just got back. Robin I so agree just want to re-post your post.
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robin said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 11:30 am
treece–you are right. Their actions toward Judy (the Wal Mart incident) showed their callousness IMO. For the many selfless hours she spent searching for Haleigh and the time with JR at the Haleighbug foundation (Judy), a simple acknowledgement or “HI” is the least they could do.IMVHO
Tobias…I know it is a guy but not sure if it is first or last name or spelled with one T or two. Was trying to look up people in that area with the last name Talent and Tallent but there are a TON of them….unfortunately. I guess it could be a first name or even a nickname. I was hoping maybe TJ or Cobra mentioned this person to Jan or Simon….but we may never know who this person is.
m2c your post below is exactly right. You can read on google the way professionals administer those tests and know these were a joke. No one could pass those tests when the one administering the test is badgering them. No professional would tell them they are being deceptive etc while they are taking the test. It was a joke.
m2c♥ said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
cathartic @ 12:32 - I agree. And I don’t think any of the tests at that time were administered properly anyway(LDT, voice stress or “hypnosis.”)
cruisin Susan, hadn’t read down far enough - great answer with the FACTS attached - no one should have to go over this same thing again - THANK YOU —
Cruisin’ Susan said,
in March 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm
tobias said,in March 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm Why do you feel the test were not administered properly?
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Maybe because the layered voice analysis test isn’t as reliable as TJ Ward would like the public to think. I wonder how TJ Ward explains Joanna Hayes??? He cleared her and she’s charged with murder. Ooops
“Both the mother-in-law and husband have denied involvement. The two passed a lie detector test administered by T.J. Ward, who was hired by their attorney.”
“They both took a layered voice analysis test and we found no deception,” said Ward, who also worked on the Natalee Holloway case, the Alabama high school student who disappeared in Aruba. “They have no knowledge of the murder and did not participate in the murder.”
http://ww w.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-in-law-key-129707.html
Mother-in-law charged with murder
http://ww w.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-in-law-charged-168803.html
Research casts doubt on voice-stress lie detection technology
htt p://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/669.html
Stress and Deception in Speech: Evaluating Layered Voice Analysis
htt p://deception.crimepsychblog.com/?p=316
Talent might be a nickname.
Cathartic….that’s what I’m thinking….I don’t think I’m going to be able to figure it out without more info. First name, last name, spelling, something. If anyone DOES know more info on this person named Talent, please post it here so we can try to do some research! TIA
Well it wasnt retracted so it must not mean a lot I was just curious. I sure would love to have the unretracted tapes for a day. jmo
If Talent is someone Misty thought was a friend but since has been told he was NOT her friend (which seemed to have taken her by surprise) I find that interesting. Maybe has no bearing on what went down or may go down…but interesting nonetheless.
I think it would be a waste of time to try to get M’s bail lowered. What would be the point of that? Even if it was cut in half or 1/4, who does M know who is going to pay that? At least without putting her on an ankle monitor and 24/7 guard.
JB, I don’t like to dash your hopes but I think the only reason M changed her tune about LP and her lawyer is that her lawyer finally got it thru her thick skull that LP’s condition was that she tell what she knows and that it lead to Haleigh BEFORE he bailed her out. M’s not going to do that because IF she has the answers, LE would just arrest her again (on new charges) in the parking lot if they let her get that far. LOL!
No, her only hope is that she knows something and Fields can use it to negotiate with LE to reduce the drug charges and maybe the punishment as well as whatever might be associated with her role in what happened to Haleigh (or if she had no role, then withholding info from LE for this long).
JB, I love your remodel job, since you are spending so much time in the dog house glad you’ve made it so comfy.
I think, one night someone posted on here who that Tallent is. Next time you talk to Hgmom ask her, it seems like she may have been on here. I can’t remember so I hate to say but seems like it was a guy from Orlando maybe.
treece, I recall it being determined he was from Orlando.
I don’t think there is any way to know for sure who M was referring to - without asking M or Lisa or Hank anyway.
If LE is still “investigating” I am sure they know exactly who she means. So it’s up to LE to decide if it’s relevant to Haleigh’s disappearance or not.
Too bad there was no one in Misty’s life she could trust. She misplaced her trust–as most teens left to fend for themselves will do–and I wonder how many of those she has trusted might be willing to throw her under a bus if it became necessary.
Cath, Misty must have confidence in Fields because she seemd less stressed about being in jail. She isnt climbing the walls and wanting out now. I think she has hopes of a lighter sentence on the drugs and it seems to have relieved her some. I wonder if the I still love Ron was a message? In hopes NG would relay it to Ron on her show? JMO
Tobias, I think Fields is trying to get Misty’s drug charges heard through drug court. She seems to think this is what will happen so possibly he has assured her he is doing everything possible to make that happen.
Even though the case is still labled as “active”, is that sufficient proof that any work is being done on it presently? What is the Sunshine Law?
They are behind it in a corrupt way, that’s why everyone who gets in THEIR way, suddenly becomes removed either involuntarily or voluntarily.
In order to take focus off of themselves and who they are involved with in this dirty corrupt case, they diverted our attention to Misty and company, knowing she would be the obvious choice since she was acknowledged as the last person to physically be with Haleigh.
For that matter, LE should have arrested Elizabeth Smart’s little sister and put her in Juvenile Custody; she was the last person to physically be with Elizabeth, and was sleeping just a few feet away from her in the same room, right????
Cathartic, I agree. Fields would try to deal with things thru the drug charges first - she’s young, first-time offender, etc. etc. OR she’s cooked up a story and Fields is dealing with that.
If they have the power to redact and control what they release to media, then it makes scary sense that the only info that is ever public knowledge is Misty and the gang, and the stupid drug sting. They tried to depict Misty as freakin Al Pacino in Scarface.
WHY HAVEN’T WE EVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE SHEFFIELDS, ANY OF THEM, HAVING ANY INVOLVEMENT?????????
The only people who talked about the Sheffields were Cobra and T.H.
Did LE ever make an official statement regarding the Sheffields? I don’t recall it.
The only think we ever saw or heard from them was Kim Picazio’s big stupid blond head.
I think the fact that Fields is comfortable says alot not to mention he is still her lawyer. He has quit her before and she knows not to jack him around or he will walk like before. In a way he has played a good hand of poker with her. She called him right away when she got arrested. Tommy got stuck with a PD and he isnt too happy about it either. jmo
That’s pretty sad, that Misty has nowhere to go except jail. Not sad at all if she has really jeopardized Haleigh’s safety and well-being, but sad if not. So hard to tell why she hasn’t told the whole truth— what combination of “she really doesn’t know anything more,” “she loves Ron,” “she doesn’t trust authority,” “she’s so used to lying,” “she started with lies and has backed herself into a corner.” Why can’t she live with her parents? They just have a room and only two people are allowed? Could she go back to Grandma in TN, maybe? Or with Timmy and Chelsea, perhaps?
bbl its getting stormy here. Gotta go batten down the hatches. I hate thunder storms. jmo
1.She has to stay in the county.
2. Hank and Lisa are in a mission(shelter).
3. Her friends are criminals, most on probation.
4. No one is going to part with money for bail that she cant repay.
jmo bbl bye
m2c, by the looks of things Misty is a good candidate for drug court. I am not sure if it will fly given the number of charges but if some of the incidents did not go perfectly, they will be tossed out. Fewer charges is her best chance at drug court.
I still wonder why we have not seen the Tommy UC tape. Makes me wonder if he is where LE has placed their hopes of finding out anything of value.
Ronfan, I’m thinking (hoping?) that the reason we haven’t heard about Sheffield/Griffis involvement is just that they don’t have enough evidence. I’m really hoping that’s what they need Misty for, as an eyewitness. It’s interesting to me when Ron says on the 911 call, “Why did you let them take her?” Like he knows that there are more than one…
Cathartic, ur 4:22 post reminded me of something on Ron’s criminal record. Every time he was arrested in the past for possession or trafficking, he DECLINED drug court, and magically got probation, diversion, fines, and community service.
But, there is a MANDATORY MINIMUM OF 15 years. Does the judge have the authority to not sentence it if it’s mandatory?
Also, his last drug arrest was in 2004. None since……that’s why I have always thought he is an informant.
He also had a positive random drug test in 2006, for an unrelated charge of Trespassing!!
The judge only sentenced him to 1 month probation….
My son served real time for lesser charges, and he was a juvenile. Plus, he was in drug court.
Cathartic, I wonder why we haven’t seen T’s too. I just don’t know enough about how “drug arrests” typically go to know if it’s an indication of LE willing to let him off the hook if he talks or something like that. Or, the opposite, and most of the arrest is T blabbering something LE doesn’t want us to hear. LOL!
About M’s charges, I would not be surprised if Fields also brings up her parents, her older brother, her young marriage to the “older guy who was such a bad influence” etc etc. I think a lot of lawyers would do that to play on the sympathy of the court.
Kate, that could be true, but also I think “them” is the default setting when someone does not know who they’re talking about. But he could have meant that family, too.
m2c, Yes, I could be making too much out of it. It just strikes me as odd. It seems like you’d say, “Why did you let that happen,” or something along those lines. It seems like he knows some things that are more specific. But who knows. One thing I did decide early on about this is that you can’t expect many of these people to do anything that you would typically expect and you should assume that the truth is being told maybe 50% of the time. I don’t mean to be as disparaging as I sound. It’s just that this is all what makes this situation so compelling…
Kate, TJ always said talking with those people was like talking to jello. LOL!
To me, if he’d said “him” or “her” that would be specific. Saying “them” is more understandable if one doesn’t know who took her. OR he could have assumed C’s family took her (or others) and that’s what he had in mind. Even if he was thinking of someone, he could have been wrong, too.
We have SO little info to work with. And that’s just the way LE wants it - for better or worse. It’s so frustrating.
RonFan, the mandatory minimum for trafficking is nationwide; no judge has discretion to sentence to a shorter term. A judge can, however, sentence a person to serve concurrent terms rather than consecutive. Meaning, if a person is convicted on four counts and gets a sentence of 25 years per count (a total of 100 years) they might serve those terms concurrently and be out in 25 years. If they serve consecutively, it would be 100 years in prison (not likely with any of they players here).
Cases going through drug court do allow for discretion in sentencing. Drug court is usually an option offered to addicts who have been arrested on a drug charge but at the time of arrest have no prior record. Drug court is local and is not offered in every jurisdiction.
That’s my interpretation of the research I have done on Florida drug court.
Wayanne Kruger was supposed to do a 3 pm event on Skype, I believe. I don’t “skype” so didn’t join in. And don’t know what time zone it was in, either. Anybody have any word on it?
m2c, Yes, I suppose “them” is the most general. I sure do hope that LE is being so silent because they really know what they are doing. I mean, I am inclined to believe that. They certainly got the five of them in jail quickly enough when Misty turned 18.
Which reminds me, anyone have any ideas why Hope is being held on such high bond, too?
This Tallent was in jail in Putman County last year
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=757706&IMG=30229
Hey Cathartic, thanx for ur response. What then do u think about Ron’s sentences for his prior drug possessions? (both times he declined drug court) oh, and for one of them he had “rehab”;??? Just strange….I really think he made a deal to avoid imprisonment, because the second charge was in 2004, which would be around the time Haleigh was born.
Also, testing positive on a random drug test in 2006, and not getting anything except 1 month probation??!! Does that make any sense?
Hope had a drug arrest on 1-3 2010 and was on bail when she did the drug deals with Misty and Ron. Wonder if thats where they got the info about them? Probably not since she is still in jail too. jmo
Ronfan, I think he was a snitch and got out of charges in each case by ratting on someone for something unrelated. JMO
I dont really see her doing much to warrent the bond though. She seemed to be the one just along for the ride. She never even talked on any of the tapes, totally uninvolved in any conversation. hmmmm. jmo
A little OT…I am not sure Katrina participated in a way that she could be arrested for. Driving them there might indicate she is guilty but it would be very difficult to prove she knew what was happening. She knew, yes, but it would be difficult to PROVE she knew.
Wonder if she has turned Misty’s phone over to LE yet.
I wonder why Misty went on that rant about Rons family all doing drugs? They stood by her the whole time and all of a sudden she goes rogue. Blames Katrina for taking off with her stuff, saying she may have pawned the camera but never says a bad word about Ron. Wouldnt she at least wonder if Ron set her up? jmo
Nope, tobias, she would not even consider Ron having set her up. Misty is in love, and she cannot see the forest from the trees. When she falls out of love she will see many situations for what they really were, imo.
She does really do some dumb things in the name of love like the tattoo. Makes you wonder what else she would do to stay with Ron? Its almost a crazy kind of love wouldnt you say?
When she claims they were on their way to reconcile but LE f–ed it up. And Lisa with her I know baby. Really that was a real weird comment coming from a mother whose daughter is going away for a long time. I would have told her to wake up who cares about Ron you better worry about you right now. geezz. jmo bbl
Lisa had tried to tell Misty Ronald was saying he has a girlfriend. And now when Misty says she still loves him, Lisa says she is sure he still loves her too. It’s crazy…like Lisa is just saying whatever Misty wants to hear. Seems Lisa has never grasped that she is Misty’s mother, not her best friend. She should be telling Misty the truth now, even if she never bothered to before.
On one of her jailhouse conversations with her Dad, Misty stated that she didn’t even like pills. Immediately after that, she put her foot in her mouth by saying that when she would go to the Dr. and get a prescription, Ron would end up taking them all himself, not her.
Ummm, ok, then why would she have gone to the Dr. in the first place? If u don’t like narcotics, why would u take the prescription and get it filled?
Donna Brock said that the reason she went to Virginia was to get pills for Misty, because Misty told her she needed them for pain.
Atleast Misty said that “even though Ronald does drugs, he’s still a very good father.” (yeah, right after she acts like she doesn’t), oh well. I wonder if he heard that conversation??!!
I do believe that he set her up. In one of the videos, she told the UC that Ron kept asking her if she was sure she wasn’t being set up, and that’s when she told the UC, “I trust You.”
IMO, the worst that could happen regarding the drug issue is Ronald walks and Misty goes down for the count. I will probably look for ways to relocate outside of the US if such a miscarriage of justice happens.
cathartic, To be sure! IF Ronald walks and Misty goes down, or if Misty is the only one to go down, so, so many questions to answer before we will be satisfied, aren’t there?
Thanks Jan and Simon, for keeping this forum going. It’s kind of like a constant vigil for Haleigh. We are watching and questioning!!!!!
IMO I’m not entirely convinced that LE completely blew this case. I think they have done what LE tends to do in these cases when the child is not found. Blame the last person with the child or seen near the child. I find it disturbing that Jeff Hardy was the one that over seen safety in schools but fails to identify Misty as a child, or at least it seems that way. He certainly does not communicate that fact in his media addresses. Also when he speaks to allegedly not knowing that a drug sting was going on yet the officer that is head of the drug unit is in the same building as him. We the public know how cops talk to each other. He worked in a gang unit so he knows the make up of a gang, what really is a gang. Yet he communicate publicly that Misty is a ring leader of a gang. For people in the public who know what a gang really is his misleading statements maybe perceived as deliberate and perhaps even desperate. I think he and his department has suffered back lash because of manipulating these facts. It causes a lack of confidence and trust. Some of the back lash may not even be about the abduction of Haleigh and how they have handled it. It might be more about the publics ability to voice their feelings and thoughts regarding Police corruption and manipulation. The internet has opened a massive communication medium and Police are hearing what the Public has to say. What I know for absolute is in trying something try try again. When it becomes evident the method used is not working then pick a different path but never give up. For over a year now the Croslin’s have been saying they are innocent and Police have been pointing a finger at them. The Croslin’s reached a point of saying “Kiss my ass” and the Police responded with a big “F^#@ You” and all of it resolved nothing, at least not for Haleigh. Time to take a new path, fresh eyes, fresh ideas, may lead to a fresh out come.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
cathartic, double yes on Lisa Croslin’s sympathy for Misty. It’s great that they are bonding but so sad to see that she has no idea how to lead Misty to better her life.
It’s sad, too, to hear Lisa and Misty Croslin bonding over their jail experiences. It should be like Misty is getting her first apartment or something and instead it is how to manage the uniform and laundry schedule and get more salt. Really makes me sad.
I hate watching it, Kate. It makes me cry that no one cared enough to help Misty see that she was throwing her life away. Even if she were to get off on the current charges, I see her going back to jail again before long on other charges. Misty needs to get her head out of the clouds; she’s 18 now and the rules have changed! Lisa has enabled Misty and continues to do so. It makes me sick.
Kate, sorry, I missed ur post at 4:46; I truly believe Ron knew what he was saying; Everytime he mentions Haleigh being taken, he says the whoever, wherever, how many, whether it’s 1,2, or how many people…..It’s almost as if he’s intentionally hinting at something.
And he ALWAYS says that. Coincidental, I think not.
If we think back to other missing children cases, I don’t recall hearing anything like that.
Ronald answers all questions carefully: he’s either very direct, or completely evasive and quiet by keenly using the well known “I can’t talk about it” “LE hasn’t told me that”., etc.. Many many times he has given a response by simply mirroring the question. The person who asked the question usually just has a dumb look on their face like, what?? (then of course, accompany that w/the “Ronald glare and stare”!!! Almost like he dares u to ask another question…he does that with Ms. Nancy, even tho he loves her and she loves him!
DustyRose,
Great post and I agree. I so wish they would bring a fresh team of LE in.
cathartic, I see great potential in Misty. Okay, not “great,” like in “president,” but I think she is really smart and strong and sweet. I think the reading disability plays into it A LOT. From what I read, Hank Sr. has a very severe case, he is illiterate, and I bet Misty struggles as much. She didn’t want to go to school because, one, she had to learn the social situation every time and two, the reading was really, really hard for her. But she’s not stupid!!
ronfan, Ron is very interesting. I initially read him like Crime Profiler what’s-her-name maybe “Pat Brown?” I do see him as having a lot of sociopathic characteristics. But it is not an “either-or” thing. He has those characteristics, but he is also very, very attached to Haleigh, and probably Jr., in a very sincere and genuine way. Makes me realize that another reason this situation is so compelling is because I actually like all of these people. All of them, from Marty Sheffield to Misty Croslin, they have something that draws me in.
IMO, something is up at PCSO. This silent treatment always happens just before something new comes out. I hope we get to see the Misty letter soon. I really want to know what it says. Do you guys think this letter is where Chelsea was told about J in the MH that night?
Ron has gone completely radio silent, no calls, no interviews, nothing! WTH? Nothing to say? At all? TO anyone?
Where have the pleas for the public’s involvement stopped? From family members on either side?
I think Misty may be a dumb kid, raised in a really bad enviorment by druggies & drunks. I’ve seen many of these types of kids. They are raised watching family members conduct drug deals or do drugs so they think it is an acceptable option in life. I do also feel though that if Haleigh’s disappearance relates back to Misty, she would do anything to hide it. She has been conditioned to lie since the cradle. She fears taking responsibility, since all of her role models refuse to do so as well. She’s been taught to lie to get out of trouble is ok, just don’t get caught. I feel SHE is definetely hiding something about her involvement (whether that means she hurt Haleigh, someone else known to her did, or there had been a fatal accident) and I feel she has told her attorney what that secret is and they are checking into her “story” and negotiating her “deal”. What that information will be or who she will implicate, is anyone’s guess.
Oj, while I agree I don’t find much redeemable about most of the people related to Haleigh….That’s pretty rude & over the top.
Wonder why Lindsey Croslins myspace mood is successful?
I am ready for this to be the calm before the storm, let ‘er rip and may ALL guilty parties be exposed. My opinion is whatever is in the letter that is SOMEDAY going to be released is no more and no less then Misty’s lawyer wants released. Probably a big bunch of nothing.
Hopefully Lindsey will be successful and move on, leave the louse, find a MAN, and make a life for herself and her children.
Treece
She looks happy in her picture. She also has LPN wrote by her name maybe she going back to school?…
OH I forgot… Here is the link
http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin
I think she just finished and is an LPN but said she couldn’t get a job because of her Croslin name. So sad.
Well I hope her mood being successful means she found a job…
Things are so quiet on the Haleigh case wonder why?.
Ky Mom said,
in March 23rd, 2010 at 12:24 am
Wonder why Lindsey Croslins myspace mood is successful?
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I believe she also had MASS BOUND on her myspace today, well the 22nd since it’s officially the 23rd.
Hope she did get a good job.
I am hoping HGmom is right and this is the quiet before the storm.
About the Talent person..wasn’t there one M wanted to come see her and her parents told her he wouldn’t come, then another who was M’s password on myspace? Not the same person I don’t think but the spelling of the names were close. I may be way off base here…
I have really enjoyed reading all your thoughts on this case.I will contenue to pray for little Halieghs return. For Butterbean, Lindseys children an Cloe to be safe.I so hope Haliegh is found soon. It does break my heart that all this time nothing has been found out about where Haliegh is. Oh it would be wonderful if tomorrow someone dropped her off at the police station alive.Just wishful thinking on my part,i guess.But what do we have if we dont have hope!!!!
Its refreshing seeing compassion in your comments,instead of bashing,what i read many places.I have much compassion for many in this sad case.I have for some reason favored Ron,an Misty through out this.I do hope im not wrong about either.
I have taken many into my home through the yrs,an weened them off of drugs.An they live decent drug free lives today.So i know theres hope for young people.Some one thought enough of me, to help me. Many yrs ago,or i wouldnt be living today.I will forever be greatful to her.
M2c ,you an i think along the same lines.I enjoy reading what you have to say,as with all the others. I will chat with all of you later hopefuly. Maybe we will hear something.Its hard to sit,an wait.When i know we all would do anything in our power to help Find this child if we could. The silence from PCSO is really bothering me.Maybe Jan,an Simone will have something to report to us soon. About whats going on there.They really have been a Blessing!!!
She isn’t eligible for drug court because the charges are for trafficking not something to do with being addicted like just possession or stealing.
She can get one shot at the youthful offender law and that is it. I believe that is why we are going to see her charged in St John’s County with one charge and that one tried. Then she will be moved to Putnam County and can’t claim Youthful Offender there. That is my belief anyway.
I also believe that once these people hit the state prison system instead of being in the county lockup, someone will start to sing. The state prison system is a whole different thing than the county lockup. I seriously doubt that the state system will hold them in protective custody and I especially would not want to be one of those women Misti and Donna when they hit general population in the state system.
And the Law says…. said,
in March 23rd, 2010 at 5:30 am
She isn’t eligible for drug court because the charges are for trafficking not something to do with being addicted like just possession or stealing.
She can get one shot at the youthful offender law and that is it. I believe that is why we are going to see her charged in St John’s County with one charge and that one tried. Then she will be moved to Putnam County and can’t claim Youthful Offender there. That is my belief anyway.
I also believe that once these people hit the state prison system instead of being in the county lockup, someone will start to sing. The state prison system is a whole different thing than the county lockup. I seriously doubt that the state system will hold them in protective custody and I especially would not want to be one of those women Misti and Donna when they hit general population in the state system.
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Misty said in one of her jailhouse calls to her mom that she is going to be tried for all charges in St. John County jail.
Kate - sure, but what if it’s the worse case scenario. Say, MC murdered Haleigh because she wet the bed. No one will care about the silly drug dealing. You’ll get life, or the death penalty. Maybe there is a good reason for their silence. Just a theory though. I’m not saying I think MC killed Haleigh, but if it’s as simple as tell us where Haleigh is and it was an accident (or she was taken because of money owed, etc.), then why don’t they talk?
Shockwave, It’s hard to believe that it is simple. If it were simple, seems it would have been over a long time ago. If Haleigh died due to a fatal accident— I am not ready to believe there was any intentional homicide— I have a hard time believing that this crew was able to pull off such a successful cover-up. And it doesn’t explain all kinds of actions on the Sheffield/Griffis side.
VAQUERA - THANK YOU! You posted the info on Tallent. Seems a bit old to be hanging out with Misty…and looks pretty creepy if you ask me. Drug dealer? Do you know what he was in jail for? That link you posted didn’t say. He’s like 42 years old. What is he doing hanging out with Misty? My guess is a drug connection.
On the Caylee topic…the more I think about this new attorney…Mason…saying he’s working on the case pro bono and that it will be “fun” the more I want to scratch his eyes out! What the heck is “fun” about defending a mother who killed her child? What is fun or funny about the death of a child? Is this all just a game to these people? Why are all they high powered attorneys coming out of the woodwork to help the Maggot Mother? Are there really that many publicity hounds out there? I mean, Mason says he’s putting off retirement to work on this case. Why did that other attorney pay $75,000 towards Casey’s defense? Since WHEN does an attorney pay the client? NOTHING about this makes sense and SO HELP ME GAWD, if these FREAK attorneys find a way to get out of these charges I’m going to LOSE it!
Morning, Everyone!
JB, I understand the outrage that skank killer gets a real dream team. I think we have Bozo to thank for that. Specifically Bozo’s incompetence. I’m not kidding. Other lawyers (prosecutors and defense) are astounded by his incompetence and his “stooge parading as a peacock” behavior.
Most recently, when the Judge first spoke to J. Cheney Mason, Judge Strickland quipped, “What kept you so long?”
Mason replied: “Well after a while, you get tired of seeing what’s going on.”
I think that was true. Bozo is an embarrassment to good lawyers on both sides of the court room but particularly the defense side.
I’m not ruling out the lure of a “famous” case or the publicity. Probably that’s what brought Kenney-Baden and A Lyons.
After all a local DP attorney, Lenamon, had been involved first (But Bozo didn’t like what he suggested - a plea based on mental instability)
Macaluso was definitely lured by the publicity; and maybe a place to park embezzled funds where he could get them “back” some time??? (as in payment?) Just a thought.
Notice that Lyons also “paid” in to the defense. Did Macaluso and Lyons have to buy their way in by contributing??? Bozo already had $205,000. And Kenney-Baden admitted in court that there HAD been some kind of agreement but she had subsequently torn it up.
Good morning everyone, I apologize for not being here for a while… I have been taking care of grandson while
dad works, and also doing PCA work for my exhusband…and also taking care of a 98 year old neighbor with a serious chest cold…( if I could spell nemonia, I would call it that …but alsas, my brain caved in and common words won’t spell themselves for me…and this girl is exausted! If anyone has the time and energy to catchme up, I’d be so happy….I miss all of you! and thats frm my heart! help if ya kin’! kick me down if ya can’t ! LOL
I just don’t know where the time would come from to read up…but I will try!
Hi, methinks! What a good neighbor and grannie and wife you are to do such good works! Hope YOU are okay?!
To sum up - in a nutshell - nothing whatsoever new in Haleigh’s case. We just talk and theorize about it. But no new news or info has come out.
In Caylee Anthony’s case (if you follow that), the murdering monster mudder has been declared “indigent,” (broke), her lawyers are all working for free now, but the state will have to pay all expenses like for experts and tests etc. Also she has a new attorney who lives in Orlando and has a LOT of experience defending murderers (and has succeeded a number of times). His name is J. Cheney Mason.
Yuck.
And Welcome Back!
Can anyone refresh my memory on the date that Tommy and Hank got into the fight over DVD’s, if I remember correctly. It was mentioned that Nay Nay was in the home as well.
I was just thinking odd that Nay Nay was not involved in LE’s sting.
HollysGmom said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 12:10 am IMO, something is up at PCSO. This silent treatment always happens just before something new comes out….
Ron has gone completely radio silent, no calls, no interviews, nothing! WTH? Nothing to say? At all? TO anyone?
Where have the pleas for the public’s involvement stopped? From family members on either side?
… I feel SHE is definetely hiding something about her involvement (whether that means she hurt Haleigh, someone else known to her did, or there had been a fatal accident) and I feel she has told her attorney what that secret is and they are checking into her “story” and negotiating her “deal”. What that information will be or who she will implicate, is anyone’s guess.
HollysGmom, I think you are spot on! Here’s my guess, for what it’s worth. I think she was very mad at Ron and was bribed with drugs to help the abduction - unlock the back door & give a signal that all was clear. I think she then took something so she would be out of it and unaware during the actual abduction. She may have believed that the motive was to hurt Ron, but not Haleigh, & that Haleigh would be returned shortly.
The reason that she hasn’t talked is because 1) she doesn’t want Ron to know that she participated and 2) she knows that Ron specifically dislikes these people so she is afraid for Ron to know that she helped them.
I think her lawyer now knows the truth and has talked her into the need to tell this to LE in exchange for a plea deal. She will need to be a witness for LE in order to save herself. This is my guess.
Aligoo - In your theory above, who is the person/people who bribed M to cooperate in the abduction?
I’ll leave that to your imagination…
I feel if the letter meant nothing it would already be in the media like the letter Nay Nay wrote. Even AH has been silenced as to the content of the letter and you can believe he knows whats in it. He has always had contact with Chelsea since she moved to Mass. and she would tell him about the letter. Must be hard for him to keep the BOMBSHELL to himself lol. jmo
But, think about it. We know that Misty adores Ron. We also know that they had an enormous blowup right before the abduction and were in the process of making up. Misty was still very angry and vulnerable. I think that someone(s) saw a window of opportunity. They knew that Misty sure wasn’t going to tell on them if she participated even in a small way.
Lindsys my space maybe she got a job or maybe Tommy passed the LDT you never know. I dont see her going to Mass. and leaving Tommy in jail she hasnt shown signs of letting him down easy yet. Although she could be going on a vacation for spring break. jmo
Tobias, I agree with you. Something, maybe a job or some better news about Tommy, has brightened her day. She’s likeable, so I’m happy for her. She’s had a lot of burden for her young years and yet she keeps trying to carry on - get her nursing certification, caring for her kids, standing by her man.
Well, I hope if L is going to Mass that it is only for vacation. If she moves there near Chelsea and Timmy, it will be “Croslin territory” and that’s just where Lisa and Hank will head to mooch off their son and daughters-in-law as soon as they get out of trouble in Florida.
Aligoo, I may be seeing what you’re getting at. Even if she was in on it she can make up lots of stories to cover for that. The only cooperation anyone needed was to get M to open the door.
But all M has to say is (1) it was someone we know so I opened the door when they knocked and then they threatened me and took Haleigh or (2) Same door opening scenario to a known person and “they must have put something in my drink to knock me out and when I woke up Haleigh was gone.”
The problem for M is proving whatever happened - if she was not completely involved. Even if Mexicans or Griffis/Sheffields took Haleigh, where’s the proof? M would not know where Haleigh is, I’m sure. Dagnab it.
And leave Misty all alone in jail? That would be something to watch, Misty will go nuts with Mom and Dad gone. Who will supply all the I love yous and honey buns? jmo
Regarding Misty possibly going through drug court…I did som research on Florida drug courts and the article I read was talking about how it is expected to be expanded into counties that currently do not offer drug court.
Research told me drug court is for first time offenders arrested on drug offenses and the expansion article did state that certain trafficking offenses are eligible.
The problem Misty will have is the numerous counts against her. The article did not state anything regarding numerous counts. What I read led me to be believe it is for one arrest on one charge. I could be wrong in assuming that, but that’s how I read it.
Misty is charged in two counties but all charges will be heard in St. Johns. Fields might want this because if she were tried and convicted in one county and sentenced to the minimum mandatory on each conviction, she would likely serve concurrent terms. If the then was tried and convicted in another county and got the minimum mandatory there, it would not be included in the concurrent term. Thus, she would have to serve two separate 25-year sentences rather than one concurrent term for all convictions.
I believe Fields will do all he can to try to get her through drug court. This may require some charges being dismissed, and it is not uncommon for that to happen. Whether Fields will be successful in doing so remains to be seen.
From this box this post doesn’t look long but I apologize if it posts looking like a novel.
And…good morning all
m2c♥ said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 10:24 am Aligoo, I may be seeing what you’re getting at. Even if she was in on it she can make up lots of stories to cover for that. The only cooperation anyone needed was to get M to open the door.
But all M has to say is (1) it was someone we know so I opened the door when they knocked and then they threatened me and took Haleigh or (2) Same door opening scenario to a known person and “they must have put something in my drink to knock me out and when I woke up Haleigh was gone.”
The problem for M is proving whatever happened - if she was not completely involved. Even if Mexicans or Griffis/Sheffields took Haleigh, where’s the proof? M would not know where Haleigh is, I’m sure. Dagnab it.
Good points, m2c♥. I agree that there is no proof, unless there may be phone records that she talked with someone that she normally wouldn’t talk to. And, there might be able to be explained as for other purposes. But, at least it would point LE in a concrete direction.
Misty’s attorney filed a motion (and it was granted to Consolidate her charges for trial)
2010-02-03 11 MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR TRIAL
2010-02-09 12 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE
That means all her charges will be heard together in one trial. If it is true all her charges will be heard in St. Johns, this Motion to Consolidate is most likely the reason why.
If a person can only get the Youthful Offender Exemption (or whatever it is called) in one trial, IMO, this is a strategic move on her attorney. Get all the charges heard in one trial, and therefore, Misty is eligible.
I haven’t done enough research on drug court to know if Misty, with all her multiple charges, would be eligible or not.
I wonder what happened in court with Cobra? His trial was posted on the docket for yesterday. Wonder if its still going on today too? My theory on Snodgrass being tipped off was from Chucks bails, I think they sure do make alot of money down there bailing people out. And hey isnt ol’ Chuck an SO himself? Seems to me Snodgrass and Chuck may have a friendship with each other. But thats just my opinion.
Another thought, if Misty could give LE some info that that persons involved lived in another state, then maybe the FBI would be more active in this case. (Which would be a good thing, I think.)
I hope the depositions from the case will be released so Simon can let us in on what was said at the trial. JMO
I do not believe Misty participated in any degree knowingly. It is my opinion that her weekend was an oppurtunity for someone to get a key from Misty or enough information to provide enough oppurtunity, to “someone” that already had a means to get in to the trailer.
On 02/13/09 Marie claims Crystal had been in the trailer and knew the children slept in the same room as Ron and Misty. I have asked when would this of took place, when they also claim the where not allowed to see the kids and that they had to pick up the kids at a McDonalds on Crystals bi-weekly visatation, and not allowed to come to the trailer. Ron had recently moved into the trailer in November of 2008. Did Ron allow her over or did Misty?
The weekend in question involves party pal Nay Nay and we know that there was an altercation with Amber as well.
How was it possible for the Sheffields to have all the inside information about this weekends events and cast of characters when LE was not saying a word. How did Cobra know those keys found at the “Real search” that was conducted in San Matao. I say real, because we know that the Sheffields organized a search party and found items of obvious intrest to the Sheffields and that they obstructed and destroyed evidence that could of been investigated by LE.
I have to ask how would family members not LE know where to look for HaLeigh and what was it that indicated to the Sheffields and search party members that those paticular items that where found would be related to HaLeigh and the crime of her abduction? How did Cobra know those where Nay Nays keys?
Am I the only one that see’s an indication that the Sheffields had inside information of Misty’s weekend and who her party pals where and what their activities had been since the abduction. Expecialy Amber Brooks and Nay Nay’s.
Amber was and has been very quiet. Nay Nay was willing to tell all she knew or knows or possible tell what Cobra wanted her to on that cut a sliced interview.
Nay Nay is someone that I suspect Misty will be telling on if she has any knowledge at this time of what and who did it.
Sorry…… GOOD MORNING!!!!
AHH shucks, did I run ya’ll off?
This sensitive subject needs to be brought up again and again and will remain in my focus until logically picked piece by piece apart and if we are lucky it will now lead us all to a logical conclusion and we may as well since it was obvious that it is a subject of interest to the Sheffield’s as well.
Good morning - now afternoon, Texasmommy Everyone has in their own mind who they think are involved. I have changed my opinion over time and think several scenarios are viable. If Haleigh was abducted by someone who planned this either for revenge against Ron, or because they thought they could make a better life for Haleigh, I now think they must have inside cooperation. JMO
Let’s hope that Misty’s lawyer is working on a plea deal that will cause Misty to give LE some info that will help this case be solved.
I now think they must have HAD inside cooperation. (sorry)
You did not run anyone off. We come and go according to lunch, work schedules, etc. It is my feeling that MC did not participate in anything willingly either. I do feel that her lifestyle and other lifestyle may have been a big issue with Haleigh missing though. I’m not buying the CS scenario. If I’m wrong some day, then so be it, but I just don’t feel it.
tobias said,
in March 23rd, 2010 at 10:38 am
I wonder what happened in court with Cobra? His trial was posted on the docket for yesterday. Wonder if its still going on today too? My theory on Snodgrass being tipped off was from Chucks bails, I think they sure do make alot of money down there bailing people out. And hey isnt ol’ Chuck an SO himself? Seems to me Snodgrass and Chuck may have a friendship with each other. But thats just my opinion.
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you might have missed it yesterday, but simon said his court date was delayed because they are still working on the plea deal. there was no court yesterday.
Aligoo - for example, the ex-cop turned SO who probably still has good buddies working for LE. It’s Snodgrass, right?
No that would be Chuck of Chucks bail and bonds. Snodgrass is the photographer circus guy who is on trial soon for SO offences of two little girls. Chuck isnt allwed to run the bond business so his wife runs it. But he has been seen in the office which he is not allowed to do. I feel he is the one who tipped Snodgrass off that Cobra was coming. jmo
So with everything you just mentioned tm39 it seems possible that both sides are potentially involved based on what we know thus far?
Interesting to think that it could be possible that the Sheffields may have intentionally targeted WBG and Misty without one shred of real evidence. For all they knew Ron could have done something or possibly Misty’s Brothers or Cousin for that matter.
What motive would CS or her side of the family have for doing anysuchathing?
Rumors were that CS and RC were still talking and there was mention of them possibly getting back together prior to Haleigh’s disappearance.
What if that were true and what if Misty’s announcement of being pregnant was an attempt to stop that from happening? It would not be the first time a female had faked being PG in a last ditch effort to hang on to her object of affection.
We all know that what TN said about Misty initially was sugar coated BS too.
Did CS already know how TN and GGMa Sykes had felt about Misty?
The anti CS campaign could have possibly been a complete ruse all along.
CS attempting to get custody would be a natural response that any Parent might consider under the circumstances so that whole issue wouldn’t mean a great deal in the scheme of this possibility.
Even Crystal’s family members apparently and even now specifically target Misty when making statements regarding her possibly never breaking type of thing.
Why on earth would Marie insist that a search be done on her property when no one had even suspected that such a thing could have even been a possibility?
The only one I see Misty being threatened by was Amber. Misty fought with her that weekend and she had left nasty messages on her my space. I dont see Misty being threatened by Crystal at all.jmo
Tuff…maybe there were rumblings by locals saying that the Sheffield side took Haleigh so Marie insisted on a search of her property to disprove those allegations….just a thought.
~Where is Haleigh~????
Maybe she felt someone may have been setting them up? The person who took Haleigh could have put her on the property to make them look like they did it? Its a possibility. I always wondered about the crack pipe in the truck too. I wonder if there were any finger prints on it or was it planted there? No one ever said so we dont really know.jmo
JB,
Even if it were accusations of them “taking Haleigh” why “insist” on searching for the Child’s “dead” body on the property?
See what I mean?
Possible Tobias. So they were possibly assuming she was dead and possibly that for sure WBG and Misty may have done this type of thing?
Tuff Stuff said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 11:52 am “Why on earth would Marie insist that a search be done on her property when no one had even suspected that such a thing could have even been a possibility?”
Good question. “Methinks she doth protest too much?”
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JB said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 11:53 am “Tuff…maybe there were rumblings by locals saying that the Sheffield side took Haleigh so Marie insisted on a search of her property to disprove those allegations….just a thought.”
But since when does LE spend public monies to search a specific area at the request of the owner of that property? It’s as ridiculous as the fake search! And LE’s response to THAT was, “it was someone’s agenda.” Well, so was the so-called “search” of the sheffield/griffis property!
FISHY! FISHY!
Coincidence or deliberate? Both “searches” orchestrated by the bio-mom’s side were aimed at looking for or leading to a body. NOT a live child. Why? To emphasize the idea that Haleigh is no longer with us? Why? So we won’t look for a live Haleigh?
No just the accusations would be enough to make them have their property searched. The property is really large and anyone could have come and gone without being seen. Its also hay fields so no one in the family would go out in it until they went to cut and bale the hay.jmo
m2c, Right, and not one with a peanut shaped birthmark on her face… ideally, not one with a birthmark on her face at all… Oh, but that is Crayon Boy and now I am so disgusted by him. Oh well.
Or m2c maybe that they know that Haleigh IS deceased but to target Misty and WBG was “convenient” for all those involved either directly or indirectly?
It’s very important to find the body or Haleigh, because it opens up all kinds of answers. If Caylee’s body had not been found (right next to CA’s house), then the duct tape, heart stickers, etc. would not have been discovered either, and so on and so forth.
I’m wondering why Misty’s attorney would have consolidated all of her drug charges in St. John’s County, not Putnam. If she is charged with anything re Haleigh, won’t that be Putnam and therefore the St. John’s charges can’t be leveraged since they are from another jurisdiction? Or will anything re Haleigh be Federal and so… I obviously don’t have any idea how the mechanics of working out the plea would work.
Well since everyone in the area was watching the Anthony case at the time it was probably a good move to cooperate with LE and ask that the property be checked. I dont think they wanted to be the ones to find her if she was there. I sure wouldnt. jmo
The search of the S/G property is what gets me. Why would LE do it (at the request of S/G family) when they were not even on LE’s radar at that point? Why would LE agree to do something that THEY did not think was necessary? Right? Were S/G family and LE in cahoots to “prove” to the public that we should not look in that direction?
Does anyone remember if the property search was before or after the “fake search?”
Just a thought…if someone was trying to say I had something to do with my child’s murder I would have done the same thing. Please, search my house. Please, search my property. I have nothing to hide.
It’s past time for Misty to start talking. I do hope that IS what is happening and that it IS the reason for the silence from LE and the media.
Besides, wasn’t the property literally “dug up” to some extent? Were cadaver dogs used?
Seems to me (and I am NOT an authority) that all you’d need is a couple of cadaver dogs walking around the area. No “digging” needed. (IMO)
At the time someone half-joked it was to save the S/G family the work of digging it up to plant a crop themselves (but I think that was not meant seriously).
LE dug up an old horses grave. jmo
Tuff Stuff, I agree but I just HOPE and PRAY she KNOWS something! If not, we are, I mean Haleigh is, really up the creek.
ABC news:
“[The search] was initiated because we did a interview with some family members … and during the interview they wanted to make sure we understood that they had buried some animals here during the investigation,” Putnam County Sheriff’s Office Capt. Dominick Piscatello said. “With that said, we couldn’t leave any stones unturned.”
Thank you, tobias! Did the cadaver dogs find it do you know?
I just think it was stupid of LE to agree to do that. Unless they thought they were being double-bluffed or something.
Do I remember correct that Connie stated “that particular location really did not match the psychic’s tip exactly”
If it was not a match to the “psychic tip” LOL then why all the excitement over those items found?
Why would these items located over 7 miles away from the Cummings trailer be a likely sight for a valid family search and what are the chances that Cobra would know who those particular keys belonged to only being familiar with these individuals since what the first part of march?
I can defiantly see the family continuing to search, but, why that spot and how would they know that any of those items would be connected to HaLeigh or the abduction and those keys, daggummit, are the WHITE ELEPHANT IN THE whole mess! IMO
They had to of know that it was indeed a place of interest to their investigation and who had been there.The question is if they knew that it was where Nay Nay had gotta stuck and that items where thrown out( a little odd IMO)and lost the keys too what does it have to do with HaLeigh and this investigation.
The question is why would Johnny Sheffeilds be a part of this and do this potential damage to a possible lead when it is his own granddaughter that is missing? He is a Ex PCSO and trained in Law enforcement and at least the basics in protocol of not contaminating a possible crime scene or potential evidence.
The thing is who where they trying to convince at that MOMENT because it sure was not LE or the media. If everyone will remember how this search was revealed and ask the question what would this search of accomplished if we where not to have found out and if we where to find out what was it we where again supposed to conclude from it. Evidence was not turned over to LE and apparently it was brought to the attention of LE soon there after because it was not turned in. No charges were filed but LE did warn the family and forbade them from searching in the future. I thought it was coincidental that Crystal had that seizure the Monday following the weekend that LE had there talk with the Sheffield’s. I also thought it was coincidental that JS just happen to be at the right place at the right time she had her seizure with Cloe in the car. I have always had a nagging feeling he was following her and that they had just had a little convo at HBH about what had taken place and the fact that LE had given them a warning. I also think it was odd Crystal would have another seizure AFTER leaving the Hospital that she was kept overnight at and released from the following day when Chad picked her up and he took her to another hospital instead of returning to the one they just left.
ABC news:
“Some 40 people, including divers and members Florida’s Department of Law Enforcement, Baker County and Putnam County sheriffs offices, with the help of CADAVER DOGS, searched the 30-acre Glen St. Mary home of Haleigh’s grandmother, Marie Griffis.
The little girl’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, also lives there.
“Any searches they do I think is wonderful. I mean, it’s never enough for me, until I see her,” Sheffield told local TV stations. “It’s hard to explain. I mean, I know she’s not out here, but it makes me feel better that they did come here. I mean, that’s all I can really say.”
Thank you, Shockwave! You have my sincere admiration for being able to find such a relevant quote so quickly!
So probably bio-mom’s side thought word would get out that someone saw them digging or something. Still it is weird. Especially in combination with the fake search.
Is there any new news about Haleigh?
It sounds to me that it was a routine search instead of a fake one. The sheriff said that during an initial interview it was mentioned that horses were buried, and so LE thought it was necessary to do a search (not initiated by the Haleigh’s maternal side at all, but by LE).
Thank you m2c. I’m a BIG fan of “the facts only please!”
Not yet. Seems to be so quiet right now its almost like before a tornado. Who knows when something will come out? Soon I hope and I also hope its relavent.jmo
No Denise. No new news about Haleigh right now. Keep praying for her though.
They were digging up her property searching for a dead body and she says it is never enough for her until she sees her?
Does Marie know at this point that Haleigh is already dead? I am suspecting yes.
“See’s her” could mean alive or deceased.
Shockwave @ 12:28
We are talking about two different searches. One was at the S/G property and conducted by LE.
The other one was a “search” conducted by Johnny Marty Sheffield (right, folks?) and some other guy who impersonated an FBI agent and some others were there plus Cobra but NO LE! We got the impression it was staged but are trying to figure out why.
Well, that was my lunch hour run of thoughts and quoting. I will talk to you all later. Good afternoon.
If Marie already knows HaLeighs dead would that explain the walk to the pond???? Just a thought………
One more thing…
Mm2c…Oh, right, the keys that were found. I don’t know. Sounds bogus to me. If only I had a cloak of invisibility. I would find out. Peace!
GGM Sykes went to the pond. I dont believe Marie was there. jmo
I thought I was alone and took my time writing a very long post …sorry. I have caught up now.
Shockwave PEACE.
What? I was not saying Marie was at the pond. I am just still perplexed by the abductors chose to walk to the pond first before returning to Green Lane and proceding out of the neighborhood IMO by car/truck. It just seems weird that the first story out of Marie’s mouth was the near drowning incident that HaLeigh had years prior and the fact that there was no obvious indications that HaLeigh was near the water alone aside from the track that led to the small pond in the woods behind the trail.
The same reason she didnt walk out of the MH in the dark. She was afraid of the dark and Marie said she was afraid of being alone in water because of the accident of falling in the canal. She also said in that story that she wont go in their pool without someone with her. jmo
Was it really a pond? If so, how big? Or was it a body of water connected to another body of water?
Obviously I’m asking because it’s possible she was taken away by boat.
Not from a pond. BBL
I’m still not buying the “Sheffields abducted Haleigh”. It would NOT have been hard for them to prove Ron unfit…drug arrests, problems with absentism at school, having a live-in teenager drop-out watching the kids all night….the grandparents could have gone for custody…or gotten Crystal straightened out and helped her fight for custody. Would have been easier and a whole lot cheaper than abducting her and keeping her in hiding. There are too many things that were out of their control that would have to come together for them to pull this off and leaving Jr. behind NEVER made sense to me. They had NO way of knowing that Ron would get arrested and Crystal would get custody. I’m more likely to believe in a stranger abduction than I am the Sheffields doing this. I just don’t think they could pull it off and there seem to be much easier ways to go about getting Haleigh. AND, if Haleigh IS in some safe house somewhere…they aren’t getting to spend any time with her, she has got to be traumatized being taken away from her daddy, her mommy, her brother and even Misty not to mention all the other relatives. Why would they intentionally put her through that? Nope, I just can’t wrap my mind around that. Don’t care for any of the Sheffields but I don’t think they are that diabolical or sadistic. This is drug related, accident or stranger abduction….has to be. (Of course I’ve been wrong before! LOL) I’ll be in the dog house if anyone wants to smack me with a newspaper…HOWEVER, that was NOT me who piddled on the carpet! I may have chewed up a shoe or two but I DEFINITELY did not make that puddle in the floor! I promise.
Crystal’s own Father potentially distanced himself from her. I am recalling when he had very disparaging remarks regarding her habits. It seemed rather damaging to Crystal’s character and reputation to openly say the things that he had to say about her. I also recall the alleged remarks about his moving to another state and somehow feeling some level of his own protection from law enforcement or so it seems.
Who was it that allegedly attacked Ruby Kanger? And what was that really all about again?
JB,
m2c♥ said,
in March 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 pm
The search of the S/G property is what gets me. Why would LE do it (at the request of S/G family) when they were not even on LE’s radar at that point? Why would LE agree to do something that THEY did not think was necessary? Right? Were S/G family and LE in cahoots to “prove” to the public that we should not look in that direction?
Does anyone remember if the property search was before or after the “fake search?”
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fake search was the weekend of 3-22 and the other was June 25th.
Tuff Stuff said,
in March 23rd, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Who was it that allegedly attacked Ruby Kanger? And what was that really all about again
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are you talking about when Johnny had her arrested in KY after she went to police and said he attacked her?
Not sure of all of that Vaquera. I don’t really recall but it is all very odd though ennit?
Hey Vaquera - thanks for providing the info on Tallent. What is a 42 year old man doing hanging out with Misty? Do you know what he was arrested for? Is he one of their drug connections? That guy looks creepy to me!
JB said,
in March 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 am
VAQUERA - THANK YOU! You posted the info on Tallent. Seems a bit old to be hanging out with Misty…and looks pretty creepy if you ask me. Drug dealer? Do you know what he was in jail for? That link you posted didn’t say. He’s like 42 years old. What is he doing hanging out with Misty? My guess is a drug connection
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couldn’t find any court stuff for his last arrest. he did over the course of a couple of yrs have a couple arrests for driving with a suspended license, theft, burglary w/battery, that’s about it. Of course he could be the daddy to a younger Tallent that Misty might know. There are some Tallents that live in Georgetown
Tuff Stuff said,
in March 23rd, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Not sure of all of that Vaquera. I don’t really recall but it is all very odd though ennit?
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odd indeed and odd she moved back to FL when the Sheffields did.
Vaquera…so we aren’t sure this is the right Tallent? I was wondering why this 42 yo dude was hanging out with Misty…I guess he still could…seems to be into the same petty crimes as Tommy…..maybe he is a friend of Tommy’s…or like you said, perhaps it is actually this guy’s son…..but I’m guessing the son is probably following in his dad’s footsteps and that is how he is connected to Misty and the rest of the group.
I was re-reading some old articles and one struck me as a little odd…this came from WFTV…one of the last sentences says….
“Deputies say they don’t have enough evidence to charge Croslin with any crime.”
What stands out to me is that they don’t have ENOUGH evidence….hence they do have SOME evidence against Misty….just not enough. Is that how you guys would read that?
not sure at all JB. His name just popped up when we first started looking for Tallents in the area as he’s the only one with a record it seems.
It’s a grey area matter there JB. My own grey matter got caught up in a knot on that question and that area matters! LMAO!
Not knowing what evidence LE has makes it hard to know what they meant by that exactly.
For all we know LE could possibly have enough evidence against Misty at this venture to try the case against her on some level but possible too that perhaps they do have more information and may need more information in order to proceed with the case even further. Does that make any sense?
Let me correct that. I knew it didn’t sound right the first time around.
” but possible too that perhaps they do have more information and may need more information “from Misty” in order to proceed with the case even further.”
I wonder if Crystal is communicating with Ron while he is locked up? I would guess yes for Jr’s sake at least though? Possibly anyway. I wonder how Misty might feel about that? Not that it matters though.
Tuff….lol on the gray matter comment…I’m with ya……I know I had read that article before (probably several times) but for some reason that sentence jumped out at me! They didn’t say we don’t have enough evidence to arrest anyone….they said Misty (They were talking about her failing the LDT in the prior paragraph so just said “Croslin” in that last sentence……But to me it screams they DO have evidence that points that Misty knows and is somehow responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance….they may have even taken what they had to the DA who refused to file charges until they got more evidence……and so they did the drug sting to get her behind bars in hopes of getting more info….I mean, it makes sense to me and would also make sense with their statements of “Misty holds the key”.
OMG find her already
Tuff…here is more of the article…..that leads to that last sentence of not ENOUGH evidence…not that they don’t have ANY….just not enough…..HMMMMMMMMMMM
“EquuSearch arranged for Croslin to take a lie detector test, which the group says she “failed miserably.”
Texas EquuSearch turned their findings over to Putnam County deputies who say they’re not surprised.
Croslin says she was pressured to take the test. But Texas EquuSearch founder Tim Miller denies that claim.
Deputies say they don’t have enough evidence to charge Croslin with any crime.”
Yup JB I see it also.
Vaq,
I thought this was “Talent” (Which is actually a “Talon”)?
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758910&IMG=56274
His DOB is 4/1/1991 making him 19 in a few weeks, a lot closer to Misty’s age. If he is the right “Talent” he is from Ponoma Park.
The arrest listed above on 2/8/2010 was for:
837.05-1 MAKING FALSE REPORT KNOWINGLY GIVE FALSE INFO TO LEO ALLGD CRIME
anyone read the interview of Joy Wray with OCSO?
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918573/detail.htm
I think she’s a little nutty.
AH’s site says the two people in the letter Misty sent are indeed Tommy and Cuz Joe….but alludes to the fact she is telling tales. If she is guilty of something perhaps that would explain why she’s pointing the finger in every direction possible. She’s working her way up to the top of my list with every word she utters!
more things released in Caylee’s case
http://www.wftv.com/news/22912545/detail.html
I think the drug sting WAS targeted at Misty….perhaps they can’t get her on the Haleigh case so they went after her for the drugs….maybe Ron DID help them….and that is why we aren’t hearing anything from him. Maybe THAT is why he was getting cozy with her after the divorce….maybe he WAS working with LE to set her up. Maybe LE told Ron what they had on her or what they suspected happened to Haleigh from evidence they found…but needed more pressure put on her…..and being an informant (which we all suspect Ron is) he was able to jump in and play the role to get her behind bars…..all of them HOPING that will get her to crack and give up the evidence they need to actually charge her!
Or too it is possible still that she is protecting someone else. I cannot see a way yet to rule that out.
Tuff…true…but who? Do you think Cuz Joe and Tommy were involved? Or did she have someone else over that night (thus the couch bouncing per Jr)….and maybe THEY did something to Haleigh….Hmmmmmmmm
But now matter how you slice it, with THIS theory, SHE KNOWS THE TRUTH!
no…not now!
LE had Misty in the drug sting with Donna being the first with the UC. Ron came in later in the sting. I believe they wanted him too for some reason. jmo
I mean it was supposed to say “NO”….instead of “NOW”….LOL….that looked like I was saying “NO, NOT NOW!” LMAO…..oh nevermind! LOL
Can’t be 100% certain on that just yet JB.
Tobias….true…but they may want them ALL behind bars so they can’t talk to one another…get their stories straight. Much easier to break them if they are all separated and unable to communicate with one another. Could also be why we aren’t seeing tapes of Ron….they don’t want any messages getting from Ron to Misty or Tommy…IMVHO
I meant my last comment as to whom Misty may possibly be protecting that is. Sheesh you post at warp speed JB! J/K J/K I type slow sometimes though. LOL
Tuff…I don’t know…I feel pretty sure she knows SOMETHING about it. From her lies, changing stories, escape with drug use, pointing the finger at everyone else, her comments towards /about Haleigh (insincere, few and far between, negative in nature), failed LDT’s, irrational behavior….she knows…you can just about take THAT to the bank. She may not be responsible….but she KNOWS!
I couldn’t agree with you more, and with that said I am going to skedoodle on as I have some things to be doing and people to be seeing.
Take care all.
LOL - Sorry Tuff….I’m on a role…btw…I type 100+ words a minute! LMAO But sometimes it comes out as pure gibberish…. wait… sometimes it comes out as pure gibberish when I type slow too! Oh well! LOL
Bye Tuff…enjoyed chatting with you!
You too JB. PS You can borrow my pillow while I’m gone.
Thanks Tuff….I’ll have it fluffed and ready for your return!
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back,LOL For some reason my posts go into the spam folder and Jan has to get me out of spam folder hell. LOL
One big question I always had was why would Ron be sending messages to Misty? Why would PCSO be worried Ron would interfere with them in questioning Misty about that night? jmo
JB said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 2:51 pm no…not now!
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I was wondering if you were hearing voices and answering them. LOL
LE wanted R and M housed in separate facilities so there was no chance of communication. At least, they claimed in the beginning they wanted them separate for that reason. That’s why R initially went to Flagler.
I tell my hubby that all the time roflmao.
Romewi…LOL….it did sort of look that way! LMAO….I was trying to correct a prior post but then typed the “no…not now”….then when I saw that it looked pretty funny….like I was talking/posting to myself! But I wasn’t sure anyone else saw or thought that…BUT, obviously they did! No they didn’t! Yes they did! No they didn’t! Yes they did! Stop looking at me! I’ll look at you if I want to ! STOP IT! YOU CAN’T MAKE ME….oops…sorry…that voice thing again! ROFLMAO
cathartic…EXACTLY…and there HAS to be a reason for that. Perhaps the fact that Misty always looks to Ron when she’s asked a question…waiting for him to cue her as to what to say. NOW, she gets no assistance…AND…if he is in on it…he can’t threaten her…he can’t guide her as to what to say….. it would appear LE knows EXACTLY what they are doing….we just have to wait and see how it plays out.
So they thought Ron would possibly comunicate to Misty and tell her not to talk? Why would he do that? That is my big question, why would Ron need to unless he were involved in some way or someone he is protecting is involved.
LE has to have their reasons. jmo
JB ur post at 2:47!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW THATS WHAT IM TALKIN’ BOUT!!!!!!!!!!
Makes sense,huh? It just all goes together. If you look up Ron’s past drug charges, you will see why. Like I said yesterday, my son served more time for drug related charges when he was 15 yrs.old!!!(and in Louisiana, it’s not contingent on whether or not you are a juvenile or an adult.)
Ron cleaned up his act “right quickly” as us Southern people say, just in the nick of time that he became a Daddy. Makes ya think…
That’s why we haven’t seen him, heard him, and no one has even mentioned him in the media.
Heck, for all we know, he’s not even in prison! LOL
Actually, I heard a rumor that Ronald is staying at Mizz Nancee’s!!! WTH??
No he is just smarter than the Croslins and he has a better Lawyer and with that he thinks he has a better chance in court. jmo
Ronfan Lol with the twins? jmo
I still have a hard time believing TN and GGMSykes havent been visiting him. We just arent getting any of the tapes or audio LE must be sitting on them? jmo
LE didn’t want R and M to be able to communicate in the beginning, not sure why. It may be that the communication issue doesn’t matter to LE now, but it did initially for some reason. But they found ways to communicate anyway. They could watch or hear each other on TV….which might be a reason why there hasn’t been anything from Ron or Donna on TV or anywhere, for awhile.
Yup, Misty is currently unavailable to babysit the twins…so Ron is filling in.
Thats what I thought too. Misty was getting her info from the media. And MS.Nancy was getting her real upset, why wasnt Misty upset when Ron went on the show before? Was her antics some way to communicate to Ron? And NG wasnt letting those parts air? jmo
Bet Nancy could get it out of her, maybe LE could bring her in and let her talk with Misty
I’d pay to see that LOL jmo
Yeah, and Hank can take the twins to the doctor if they need to go…heck, he knows ALL the doctors….and Lisa can take the twins to Wal-Mart….she might even pick up a new purse while she’s there! LMAO
Misty never did appear on NG, or did she in the beginning? I don’t recall that she ever appeared except on video.
OMG JB!
Waaaaay high on the Yikes Meter.
cathartic…hee hee hee….couldn’t resist…sorry…my bad! LMAO
TJ almost got in trouble because NG was talking about Misty being gone when she was actually on set in another room waiting on Ron to get finished with the show. After that TJ quit doing NG. JMO
JB - I read your reasons for not being able to believe the Sheffield/Griffis could have taken Haleigh and I think the basic problem is that you have them mixed up with the June and Ward Cleaver.
MG was a drug dealer/drug user. Johnny/Marty is a former LE turned criminal turned cockfighter. They allowed their daughter Crystal to shack up with R pretty young. And I believe they were involved in abducting these children or another child in a custody issue before. Plus C was definitely NOT clean. That $12k back child support piled up fast, court date and jail looming AND she was engaged to Chad etc.
To have gone about it the way you suggest, they would have had to have DCF on THEIR side to start with and they weren’t because of C’s past behavior.
It is MUCH more in keeping with their “character” to snatch Haleigh. NOT Jr as that makes it look like a family kidnapping. But what they did was go for custody of Jr right away - first with Wayanne Kruger and then with KP. It was a cut throat custody battle at that point to say the least. First based on assumptions that it must be dangerous in R’s area, then based on accusations that R and/or M were responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance.
They lost because C was still on drugs and KP knew it and would not file for custody for them.
With all the people MG and JMS know, and their characters and background I can see them cooking this up very easily. Look at the timing - a very short time before C’s back custody hearing. Well, that never happened either did it.
It’s just a theory, but one that I can see happening very very easily.
And don’t pull the “won’t be able to see Haleigh” heartstrings because those people don’t have them. Very few if any tears shed by them. With some people it’s “ownership” not love. And money is important. To them, Haleigh can be “fine” with distant relatives somewhere (forever) just as long as R doesn’t have her and C doesn’t havet to pay for her. Ron took those children to care for years ago and JMS just got him back for it but good. IMO
(Although it’s just one of my theories)
I’m pretty sure MC would tell NG to kiss her ace. I mean she pretty much already did if she knew she was being recorded.
I’ve heard that there won’t be anymore shows on Sundays through various resources, is this true or just a rumor????
I have some questions:
Who took Haleigh?
How did they do it?
Where is Haleigh now?
When will she come home?
No opinions please, only the facts will do.
Shockwave, Sorry I was just making a joke about NG and Misty. Sortof like pay per view boxing matches lol.
Harlequin…just a rumor…the show was back last week and as far as I know, it is back on for good.
Harlequin: You mean BNN radio shows? There was one this past Sunday.
Where’d you hear that anyway?
It is interesting that M never appeared in person. Maybe she wasn’t invited? Oh well, just another in a series of unanswered questions to which we are not entitled to an answer.
Cathartic: I’ve got several addresses you could send those questions too but I’m missing a couple. LOL! (according to all my theories)
That’s news to us Harlequin. We just listened to a show on Sunday.
m2c - still not buying it. I understand your position but it just doesn’t feel right to me. I’m looking at Misty as the key and my gut says that is exactly where the truth will be found and that truth does not include the Sheffields. Okay, I know, I know…BAD DOG…GO TO THE DOG HOUSE….I’m going, I’m going…but I’m STILL not taking responsibility for the puddle in the floor….I did NOT do THAT!
cathartic: You mean about M not appearing on NG? TJ told us once that M was sitting in the “green room” “back stage” during one taping that I guess had R on it.
Since M was the KEY SUSPECT (no matter how LE worded it) her lawyer probably told her not to go on NG AND NG MAY have stayed clear because of what happened to Melinda Duckett after one of NG’s typical tirades.
I just dont understand if the theory about the Sheffields taking Haleigh why hasnt she reappeared in some Walmart somewhere. The people who are hiding her out cant really be that closely related or LE would have checked them out. If they intended on her returning eventually they would wear disguises so she wouldnt recognize them. I do hope she shows up but that theory is at the lower part of my list.jmo
The thing is if they were smart enough to pull this of for longer than a year they would be smart enough to have her reappear somewhere. jmo
JB - That is exactly what I try not to do because it rules out possibilities that might need looking at.
If you have made up your mind that Misty’s the key then that’s that for you. And of course you can see no other possibilities.
But if you look at ALL possibilities then you can see that the S/G’s is one of them.
With “Misty is the key” there are still several possibilities - one of which could still be S/G behind it pulling the strings.
But it’s okay. I’m going to hang on to my six or seven theories until I see some proof to decide what one to go with.
tobias, will you stop with “reappear somewhere” argument for pete’s sake. It is WAY too early. She could tell/describe who she’s been with etc.
If she ever reappears it will be well into the future sometime.
IF that was ever part of the plan, something went too wrong for it to work - at least for a long time from now.
If they took Haleigh it would have had to be a person unknown to Haleigh, and she would have to stay with people unknown to Haleigh, and no family whatsoever would ever be able to call or visit Haleigh…because Haleigh is old enough to tell who she saw or talked to if it’s anyone she knew. Given all that, I do not see Haleigh having been taken by the Sheffields/Griffis clan. At least not for purposes of having her resurface at any time.
Sorry all, I have tried various scenarios in my head for them being the perps and I just can’t make it work.
Would be wonderful, though, if it was true…and Haleigh is alive somewhere.
I’m sorry, JB, but I’m just not ready to kow-tow to LE’s year long mantra “Misty’s the key.”
I don’t like how they’ve handled this AT ALL.
Maybe it will prove successful at some point. I pray that it does. But in the meantime I feel obliged to keep my mind open even if theirs isn’t.
Why do you assume she was ever to reappear?
As many many other kidnapped children she could be lied to (at best) and threatened and abused (at worst) to not yell out for help even if she was in public now.
There are a LOT of kidnappings (by family and non-family) where the children have lived for quite a while after.
I’m sorry to see so many people giving up on hope that she’s alive.
But as good little citizens you are doing exactly what LE wants you to do.
I’m just too ornery to do that - given LE’s handling of the case. I ain’t going to make it easy on them. When I see proof, then it will be time for “congrats, LE” but not until then.
m2c - I didn’t say I only had one theory. I said I believe Misty is the key…that could still mean Ron did something to Haleigh, Misty did something to Haleigh, some friend of Misty did something to Haleigh…and SO took Haleigh and threatened Misty, the Drug Thug theory, etc….I just don’t buy the Sheffield theory. It doesn’t mean I’ve closed my mind to all other possibilities. Just not buying that one….and I believe I’m entitled to believe that way….obviously from the dog house…but still entitled.
And, for the record…(oh boy, THIS one is gonna land me not in the dog house but get me sent to the pound)….I don’t think Tobias has to stop with “reappear somewhere”. She’s entitled to that remark and opinion as well….just as you are entitled to your Sheffield and other theories. And yes, my tail is safely tucked between my legs and this time I may be actually guilty of making a puddle…..so go ahead, let me have it…I know it’s coming and I’m already whimpering in anticipation….
Well m2c, I gotta agree with you on one thing: you are just too ornery.
I agree, everyone is entitled to remarks and opinions, even if they state them over and over. Truth is, everyone here has stated things over and over, even those who forbid others to do so.
No disrespect intended, m2c, but you do tend toward trying to control what people can and cannot say.
m2c…the only person I kow-tow to is you…and that is to keep the peace. We all are discussing the case, our theories, sharing thoughts and info and then you come on here and start telling us what we SHOULD think, to STOP this and STOP that…and belittling our theories if they don’t align with yours. I’ve tried VERY hard to keep the peace and keep people from arguing….but dang it….it is AMAZING how peaceful it can be until you come along and start bullying everyone! Dang….did I really just say all that? I think I just found my backbone!
Sorry, about that. I was just hoping people would think for themselves and wait for something called proof and evidence rather than fall in line with the crumbs of what LE has NOT graciously shared (which could be true or not).
And sorry, but tobias has asked that and I’ve answered it before so it WAS a repeat and she knows it. That was between us.
I’m not sorry that I get emotional when I hear people “giving up” on Haleigh OR continuing to give the S/G side a free ride. I have several theories and this is the only one I can think of that Haleigh could be okay. So it saddens me greatly to see people rule it out.
I’ll go try to find some people who still have room for hope.
if anyone is bored and interested in reading 900 pages of documents released today in Caylee’s case here’s the link
http://www.wftv.com/news/22912545/detail.html
Dang m2c…you’re even critical of us when you apologize….”hoping people would think for themselves”….like we aren’t intelligent people who ARE thinking for ourselves…well, at least until you come along and tell us NOT to and to only believe what you tell us we are allowed to believe. No one is giving ANYONE a free ride. NO ONE is off our radar…but we ARE entitled to our own theories…whether they align with yours or not….and we ARE allowed to make comments whether they’ve been made before or not….and we ARE hopeful…but realistic as well. If we truly follow the facts as we know them…the outcome may or may not be a happy ending for Haleigh. Do we HOPE Haleigh is alive and well? YOU BET! Do we perhaps fear that is not the case? I can only speak for me when I say I fear that could be the case. But have I given up hope? Not at all. I’m not kow-towing to LE….and from now on I’m not kow-towing to you either. There…I said it…..Now…I think I’ll go throw up.
I for one havent given up hope but I go by the motto hope for the best and expect the worst. Its better in the long run. I will be so happy to be wrong in the end if she is alive but if she isnt then it wont hurt quite as bad. jmo
Dang…you could hear a pin drop in here….and the sound of my knees knocking…my heart pounding…and the puddle I’m making….sorry…I’ll clean that up….ugh…
Sorry all….didn’t mean to go postal…..just had enough. I’ll go. Take care all.
JB, You were right we do deserve to have a right to an opinion and to not be afraid to state it. I AM GLAD YOU HAD THE FORTITUDE TO SAY WHAT i could not. M2C is a good blogger but she so wants everything to turn out right and for Haleigh to be alive. I cant go on blaming people just because its the only way for her to be alive. jmo
Hey, most of us are happy to think for ourselves. That’s the point of not wanting to be told to stop posting this or stop asking that.
This is not about sides. It is not about winning and losing. This is about a little girl lost, how she got that way, and whether or not she might come home one day.
Haleigh…where are you?
BBL Hope everyone comes back later and we get some info soon.
I have made it clear that I have seven theories. The S/G alive is one of them. But all I heard this afternoon was “No, I can’t go for that.” So people were ruling out that possibility. That’s what upset me.
JB’s long post @ 1:27 pm “I’m still not buying the “Sheffields abducted Haleigh”. (with reasons that I don’t think match what we know about that family.
And JB again at @ 4:17 “m2c - still not buying it.”
THAT is ruling out a possibility. I was trying to keep it as a possibility. So don’t say I’m not allowing others to have their theories. It’s one of my theories that got stomped on today )during an afternoon filled with “it’s gotta be R or M” and “LE has “evidence” just not enough” etc.
Plus Tobias @ 4:22 “The thing is if they were smart enough to pull this of for longer than a year they would be smart enough to have her reappear somewhere.”
All I hoped was that some people would not rule it out. Keep it along with other possibilities. Everyone wants to be allowed to have their opinion. I guess that does NOT include me.
tobias said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm I just dont understand if the theory about the Sheffields taking Haleigh why hasnt she reappeared in some Walmart somewhere.
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Maybe cause you can’t cash in on the life insurance policy if she shows up. I’d really like to know how much it was for, when it was taken out, and what the premiums were.
Also, if she just shows up in Walmart, and it turns out one of the S/Gs had something to do with it, there goes those vice president and president jobs for Crystal and Marie.
m2c,
You are not alone….I still have a few theories, but the Sheffield/Griffis theory is at the top of my list.
m2c - My point is when you come on here you immediately start criticizing what others say or tell them to “STOP” with this or “STOP” with that. I have a right to not believe the Sheffields abducted Haleigh just as you have a right to believe that they did. The difference is I simply state “m2c - still not buying it. I understand your position but it just doesn’t feel right to me. and you say things like “JB - I read your reasons for not being able to believe the Sheffield/Griffis could have taken Haleigh and I think the basic problem is that you have them mixed up with the June and Ward Cleaver.” or “stop with “reappear somewhere” argument for pete’s sake.” You say things that sting and tell us we’re kow-towing to LE for voicing our opinion. You tell us to stop this or stop that and belittle us for stating things as we feel and see them. You bully and it gets old. But you’ve been here a long time so if anyone leaves…it will be me. I just couldn’t take it anymore today. This case frustrates me to no end and then to be told I’m kow-towing to LE, not thinking for myself, have given up hope and to watch you tell Tobias to “STOP” doing what ALL of us are entitled to do was just TOO much. Enough already. PEOPLE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT AND TO HAVE THEIR OWN THEORIES EVEN WHEN THEY DON’T AGREE WITH YOURS. WE ARE ALL INTELLIGENT ADULTS WHO CAN THINK FOR OURSELVES AND DO NOT NEED TO BE TOLD WHAT WE SHOULD BELIEVE OR WHAT WE ARE TO THINK MUCH LESS WHAT WE CAN AND CAN’T SAY UNLESS YOUR NAME IS SIMON OR JAN. But enough said. I’m outta here.
JB, I HOPE YOU REALLY DONT MEAN TO LEAVE FOR GOOD i REALLY LIKED TALKING AND DISCUSSING THEORIES WITH YOU. yOUR HUMOR LIGHTENED THE BAD DAYS AND ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL MISS YOU. pLEASE DONT LET SOMEONE RUN YOU OFF. JMO
JB,
Don’t go! I’m sure m2c did not mean to offend you. I hope this can be worked out and that you will stay.
me said: what about the wal mart sighting in Mass, and both the goodwill store and gas station sighting? (i think in Kentucky)
ronfan,
I’m not sure what you are asking me or why it’s directed at me??
I know Hollys GMom claimed to have seen Haleigh and was responsible for one of the reported sightings. But she seems to have changed her mind.
If you are asking if I think Haleigh has been going to Walmarts and gas stations around the country, I’d say I highly doubt it, though it’s possible.
Hey everyone, been missing all of you. Read this latest article, great comments. Been away, but see we’re still pretty much in the same theories place, ugh! Great theories expressed here and good questions.
Hey Texasmommy39.
JB don’t know ya, or have I seen you around here, but everyone reading enjoys reading all the comments, even mc2heart. I don’t however, like the drama on forums, posts and especially in missing childrens cases.
If you will notice in mc2’s posts generally and overall, their consistent and not directed towards one commentor in her expressions when discussing her theories. We’ve all had to aid in helping keep this forum legit, professional, courteous and kind towards all those that post.
I understand your frustrations, I assure you if this is your first, “Had Enough”, there will be more. Something about this case has caused each of us here to do the same thing you are saying now. Thank goodness all the other cases we’ve followed didn’t cause us to get sooooooo frustrated, but this one has.
Don’t leave, most everyone except the trolls love others participation and at times get a little passionate, so try not to take things personally. Hang in there with us, and when you get to know a posters personality, you begin to chuckle and understand. We should be United and stick together, not be divided, Haleighs case needs us to do this. Hope you will be around posting as I’ve truly enjoyed your comments and take on things. Hugs
JB get your ars back here. Don’t make me come pull you out of that dog house. You know we adore you even when we disagree. kumbaya, kumbaya!
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING? I have missed you!
I haven’t been on the net in a few weeks. I gotta call ya. I like posting here, most all of the time we all get along too!!!! hehehe
Welcome back Kool Look…I’ve been missing your posts and wondered where you’d gone.
Lost your number:( Please do!
Kool Look said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm Don’t leave, most everyone except the trolls love others participation and at times get a little passionate, so try not to take things personally. Hang in there with us, and when you get to know a posters personality, you begin to chuckle and understand. We should be United and stick together, not be divided, Haleighs case needs us to do this. Hope you will be around posting as I’ve truly enjoyed your comments and take on things. Hugs
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Such a special person you are!!!!! Thats why I call you friend. T
JB you have to stay I have a years supply of depends now and it sounds like I need to share.
M2C Heart,
I would love to work on the S/G theory any time you want.
I’ll call you tomorrow. Me said, thanks for missing me. I’ve been busy, a little sick, a death in the family, actually 3 since last October. Ugh! But I’ll be back posting stronger in the days to come.
We’ll get something new to chew on before too long, we always do!! I spent time reading Timothy Holsmeth’s site, catching up. This individual investigation into Haleigh’s case, is what I wish was going on by a few more others too. Not just one perspective, like LE’s. The info. there is astounding, and organized now to help understand his thought processes as it’s put into chronological order better identifying the players actions at the precise moments turning their behaviors into questions for me.
Talk tomorrow Dolls, God Bless and love for you. KL
I will be here having my coffee in the morning. Night y’all.
KOOL he is now the “unmentionable” here. Tell you all about it tommorow.
m2c said,
All I hoped was that some people would not rule it out. Keep it along with other possibilities. Everyone wants to be allowed to have their opinion. I guess that does NOT include me.
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Of course that includes you, me and everyone.
m2c at 4:05: Hold On!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need to take a deep breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another person who believes and thinks what I have been saying???
I knew all of you would eventually come over to “our” side…(me, mizz nancee, and Ron!!!)
You may now enter our private club!!!
Oh you also get free gifts, flying miles, and 1 free night at The Putnam Inn. (Linens available at extra charge)
JB–your posts always leave me with something to think about even if I believe the Sheffield/Griffis theory. We can all agree to disagree at times I hope. I think the lack of info is getting to us all! Please come back!
Here’s a thought: Is it possible that Johnny Sheffield told Misty (if indeed she was involved) that if she exposed any information of what happened that night, then he (Johnny Sheffield) would have Ron exploited,or insinuated in some sort of dirty dealings. Even if it was indeed a drug dealer who was burned, I’m sure J.S. could easily threaten to expose Ron and have him harmed.
Remember, since Johnny Sheffield has connections to organized crime, and connections to LE(crooked), he is an a highly advantaged position: (and he knows it, that’s why he’s utilizing his powers) he can get protection from both avenues, plus has the added benefit of being able to hold a threat over the corrupt LE side.(who would be the actual dirty hands who are helping keep everything under the public eye.
It’s scary and sad that the corrupt LE screws over the good LE, like the backstabbers they are. I truly believe this.
Sorry me said, what I posted wasn’t very clear. I was referring to ur post at 6:30 in response to Tobias’ post at 4:20; I believe the early sightings of Haleigh were legit, (it was a T.Holmseth/Cobra audio), because LE was not ever proven to have even investigated the sightings. And the woman who sighted Haleigh 2 times in the same town reported it, and LE never even got back w/her; according to her, P.Cone wasn’t eager to hear anything about the sightings, and even interjected her own beliefs concerning the sightings.
Yep, it’s on the flood of Noah you tube Tim Holmseth site; I’m just addicted to the tapes, because I believe anything Cobra is involved in is legit, for the one reason that he doesn’t have a problem w/endangering himself, as long as the truth is exposed.
I’m sure those close calls made them more careful. I keep thinking about how the witness who sighted her picked out J.Sheffield and some others from their mug shots.
you tube site: flood of Noah. All sorts of corrupt tell all audios. Could be possibilities, and since I want to keep all avenues of hope open, I listen to them as well as everything else, than sit and try to piece together everything.(with a good glass of wine)
m2c: ur post at 4:22, u kind of summed up what I was just trying to say in my prior post.
Basically, I believe that if Misty is involved in some way, it would be that the Sheffields are in control of it, (and her); as you say, “pulling the strings”.
I have never thought Misty had any direct involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance; either she was set up in a scenario with using heavy strong drugs so she would pass out, or she has been threatened by the Sheffields.
WELCOME TO JEOPARDY.
HERE’S THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY QUESTION OF THE DAY:
What is the one thing BOTH LE and The Sheffields have in common???
(((la da la da da da da..jeapardy music playing ))
the answer is: What is, that when anyone who is involved in the Haleigh Cummings case gets too close to exposing any information or evidence that could help solve the case, they get booted off, arrested, fired, or disappear??
Some say RC is UC. I think they give him too much credit. He has a record but served no time. My question is this..if someone is working UC, why would they have a record at all? Wouldn’t the questions about that blow his cover? just asking!
I guess everyone has their own perception of corrupt. For me corrupt is a cop that actually engages in criminal activity. Manipulating is not corrupt to me, however, for some it is.There is no right or wrong in either perception. When manipulation is taken to a point that it impedes the course Justice then I consider the behaviour corrupt. For me they “Putnam LE” is definitely swaying on that fine line. Distrust and lack of confidence is the result and at the end of the day in every twelve is one of me. This is where media relation training is very useful. Understanding the viewers, the audience, and never under estimating the fact that at least one of them is a potential Juror. Trying to convince by manipulating, exaggerating, or presenting in a bias way can have adverse results than what the objective was. Dealing with humans, there is a point in which an attack has to be pulled back because humans in nature will side for the one who is being targeted. I think it’s just a lack of media relation experience on this level.
I do not believe that LE would ignore a reported sighting. I’m not willing to go that far, nor do I understand how it could possibly benefit LE to ignore a sighting. LE would be heroes if they found her alive. In the real world being a hero saving a child catapults a career. For me I find nothing credible in what Holmseth says.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
JB said,in March 23rd, 2010 at 3:26 pm ROTFLMAO!!!1
THen I read the posts in between then and now and let me just say, JB, don’t be discouraged. You & you humor are much needed, lol! I’ll hang out with you in the doghouse anytime. In fict I’m in there alot, you just don’t see me cause I’m over in the corner typing away on other cases.
ALso, since it was brought up AGAIN. Yes, I thought that I mgiht of had a Haleigh sighting back in APril of last yr. I told LE & KP personally. It was about a 10-15 minute conversation, very detailed (same for Missing & Exploited Childrens Operator) I had been very hopefull that it had been her and still harbor deep hopes that it really was. I know my heart and my soul and have no guilt about any of it. I do also know that one day, when this is all going to trial (no matter who is at fault) my account will be a part of a Sunshine drop. Quite possibly used during a crimminal case against KP as well. So it looks like I may just have the last laugh on that one Me.
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758910&IMG=56274
Took only 10 minutes in and out. LOL! Geesh! Wonder what he lied about…?
Shockwave –thank you for finding that information out about the doctor who took the plea deal for 12.5 years. I could NOT locate if he was ever out on bail. Can you see if he was granted bail? So, it appears the mandatory 20 year sentence can be adjusted if you plea out?
Hollys,
I sure hope Haleigh is still out there and believe there is a good chance of that.
A criminal case against KP??? WTH for? Is she alleged to have committed a crime?
No problem BB12-Chris. I have trouble reading actual “lawyer 411″, because it is filled with double talk. They’ll say the same thing two or three times, but in different wording, and it just gets confusing. So, it is easier for me to just find examples like that to understand it better. I think it is possible to get less time for the drug trafficking, but MC pleaded not guilty. This puzzles me. She’s clearly seen on video surveillance selling drugs. Unless she does have the vital info everyone wants regarding “where’s Haleigh” I don’t see things working out too well for her. Her youth, and first time offense could factor in, but I don’t know. It will be interesting to see how things pan out.
I can’t find anything that says this doctor was able to bond out. I guess if you plead guilty then you cannot bond out.
I guess that’s the same when you hear, don’t take a breath test if you have been pulled over for suspected DUI. Call your bondsmen before you ever take the test, because otherwise if you take the test and fail then you are automatically found guilty. You can’t bond out for DUI after being found guilty.
Hello Everyone,
JB please do not go!! you bring so much to this blog. I’ll buy you a new bag of chew toys if that what it takes to get you to stay.LOL!!
This case is frustrating! I believe Misty has the answers to help solve what happened to our sweet Haleigh. I believe the answers lye in Satsuma.
If the Sheffields/ Griffis had Haleigh and Misty knew this, threatened or not, Misty would of told LE. Even if the threat was towards Ron. Ron would deny as usual and Misty would lie for him as usual. Misty would not have taken this much heat for so long if she knew it was the maternal side.JMO
LFJ, True I dont see Misty protecting anyone even her family. She would only protect herself and Ron or because their lives are in danger. But since they are in jail they are safe from those dangers. I hope she breaks soon but I dont have a clue what would cause her to. Maybe when she realizes the true sentence for the drugs is going to be alot of years.jmo
Good Morning All. I’m not going anywhere…. yet. This case and you guys mean too much to me. But I refuse to be bullied, belittled, battered and berated because my views don’t align with someone else’s. I may have been a weenie dog before but this weenie has moved up on the food chain a few notches (I’m now officially a poodle! LMAO) and I WILL stand my ground. BUT, should there be too much tension and my presence cause trouble for our little family, I will personally check MYSELF into the animal shelter. I don’t want to disrupt what we have here. After all, all kidding aside, this is about Haleigh…not me and that is where the focus should remain.
I do appreciate the kind words directed towards me and hopefully today’s discussions can stay on topic. I apologize for the case of rabies I had yesterday and sincerely hope there will not be a reoccurance.
Good to see your post, JB. Newbie that I am here, it is clear that your humor and spirit are terrifically important.
On the Haleigh note, the silence is deafening right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lisa has a new trial date for 5-13 for the purse theft. She plead not guilty.. Nothing on Cobras docket has changed. jmo
Agreed JB no one should be bullied or made to feel that they are being bullied. Now come out of the dog house and lets play!!
Tobias, If I remember correctly misty did point to the maternal side of the family when she was on the early show. Correct? Ron said he was going to start a NPO in order to hire a PI to investigate the maternal side. This all was said in the same week by both Ron and Misty. I am thinking Ron told Misty to point to the maternal side. While I think all sides need to be investigated to make sure all bases were covered in the search for Haleigh. I still believe Misty holds the info and believe we will one day find out the anwers were in Satsuma and more than likely drug related.
Sorry, JB, but if you think anything I said qualifies as “bullied, belittled, battered or berated” then you need to have spent some time in my shoes over the last six months. You ain’t seen nothin’.
I’ve been reamed out, called names and personally threatened MANY times. Why? For daring to say something negative about C/ the biomom’s side and for sometimes doubting the validity of a particularly negative accusation about about R.
I will apologize to you because on reading my comments I can see how they came across. I was not mad at you or trying to belittle you. I was extremely disappointed. And I even felt like the ones responsible for trying to KEEP that theory off the table all this time were succeeding.
I feel strongly about some things and I (and some others) have taken a lot of REAL SERIOUS HEAT. For a long time we weren’t allowed to even mention a possible flaw on the bio-mom’s side. (Like last Feb - Nov and even to now). We nearly got run off the board many times.
Even this past February there was a threat posted here that “anyone who posts a negative comment about C after a negative comment about R must be a member of TN’s gang and will be tracked down and exposed.”
Try being the target of that and see how you feel.
So, yes. I am sensitive about that theory and would very much like to see it stay on the table. So it hurt me that you dismissed it - especially when based on a higher opinion of the S/G’s than I think they deserve.
If you had said that theory was lower on your list or something, I would not have felt so bad. But you said, “No, not going for it.” You dismissed it. And my June and Ward Cleaver comment was to show that I felt your reason for dismissing it was based on an incorrect impression of S/G’s characters and capabilities (they are not the Cleavers).
As far as the “thinking people” remark, I had hoped that we would all keep thinking about this. Keep open minds. It’s the only way to keep LE on their toes (to me). But it looks like some are falling in step with LE and I don’t see why we have to do that at this point. We still do not have enough info or evidence to decide one way or another.
So, in short, JB. I apologize for coming down on you and for posts that were harsher than I intended.
I think it’s time you moved out of the dog house and let me spend some time there. Obviously I’m tired and frustrated and need the rest.
lfj…I too believe Misty holds the key. NOT because LE has said it but because the behaviors of the players and the facts dictate that to be the case. Am I 100% sure? NO! But Misty’s behavior, inconsistant stories, Ron’s behavior and comments made by LE point to Misty holding the information that will break this case. Does that mean Misty hurt Haleigh? No. It just means she knows what happened or can provide information that will lead to the correct party involved and I truly believe that. I can think of NO other reason for her behavior, her lies, her inconsistancy AND for the comments made and actions taken by LE. While I certainly understand there are “bad cops” and entire police forces that are unworthy of the title they hold, I cannot at this time take aim at LE and say they have done anything wrong in this case. I’ve seen plenty of bad behavior from Misty and company but nothing that would make me believe LE is involved in some cover-up or conspiracy of any kind.
LFJ, At the time I thought the same thing about the Morning Show. Ron was supposed to appear but he said everyone was sick and his lawyer came instead. I feel he also wanted to avoid being asked about the divorce and the reasons for it. His lawyer probably told him not to do it just like Mistys lawyer told her only she didnt listen. jmo
Yea! JB is back! I hope you brought treats. My Tails wagging and I am doing circles.
Texas - good morning my friend. I’m tossing a treat your way! Sit, stay…good dog!
LMAO…… Good morning.
Just a question if someone knows were there any indications in the four years that Ron had the kids of family fighting? jmo
tobias, thanks for the updates on Lisa’s trial re the purse and Cobra. Hoping, of course, that everything comes out okay for Cobra.
JB! I agree with you. My thought is she holds the info. Ron and Mistys behavior has been absurd throughout this entire investigation. I think Ron has knowledge of what happened to his daughter. I do not think he personally hurt her. I think it was indirect involvement.
Everyone keeps talking about the voice stress test where T J Ward tells Misty that it came up that she is not sure about Rons involvement in Halieghs disappearance. Perhaps TJ referenced it again to get a better reading to see if Ron was somehow involved. The public never was given the percentage to that specific question.
Misty knows what happened but according to the voice stress test 40% she does not know who it was that took Haleigh.
Tobias, you are correct. Ron never hired that PI either.
JB, Nice to read your post, especially the part about PSCO/local LE. Criticizing PSCO/local LE is one place I will not go yet regardless of what Crayon Boy has to say. Sure, there are plenty of corrupt officers and everyone knows it happens. But the majority work hard for not a lot of money and make our lives that much safer. If the proof is there, okay, but I haven’t come across anything yet that is truly compelling.
YW Kate, I cant wait to hear the depositions from his trial. I have a feeling Chucks bail and bond was doing some dirty bussiness in all of this. But thats just my feelings. Sure hope we get info soon and Cobra gets his career back. Seems to me if it was dirty dealings going on he should be compensated for his loses too. jmo
I just checked Nancys show page and Haleigh is listed to be aired tonight. I hope they do not get bumped again.
lfj, Hope Misty has her seat to watch too. I have a feeling she will be real mad this time.
NG isnt going to hold punches if she thinks Misty is pulling the same old crap.lol jmo
Tobias I am hoping some news about Tommys lie detector will be on tonight. This show got put on the back burner a few times since it should of aired so maybe we will get some new news. I am not holding my breath though.
I hope Misty goes bezerk!! I want her to finally open that mouth of hers and finally come out with the TRUTH! I hope Tommy gets bonded out by LP. This will make Mistys head spin!!
If Tommy passed the ldt and Mistys letter points to him she is soooooooo in trouble.
Her lawyer is going to pull out any hair he has left too if thats the story she has been giving him too. Lets just say he isnt gonna be comfortable any more. lol jmo
I was thinking today about how in the beginning Misty cussed on one of the visits and was reprimanded. Why was she allowed to have that foul mouthed attack about NG when she talked with her Mom? It may be that she lost some privilages like visits for a while?jmo
From what I have seen, NG doesn’t usually have anything “new.” But since everything else is quiet, at least it is something.
AH hasn’t updated in almost a week; TH has this “Update: Timothy Charles Holmseth has been in communication with the U.S. Attorney’s office… Anything beyond the before-mentioned statement I am not presently at liberty to discuss.”
Just hope that there is a lot going on behind the scenes and that it will be done and public soon.
Kate, Not to be mean but we arent allowed to put TH on this blog for reasons already stated by Jan and Simon. Just so you know.
Oh, I missed that! Where should I look for it? Thanks so much, and so sorry!!!
Just want to know exactly what Jan and Simon said, and why, so I don’t make anymore mistakes or offenses. Thanks.
It was the same day Connie showed up I will go see if I can find it for you bbl.
Jan Barrett said,in March 21st, 2010 at 5:33 pm I realize that some of you are fans of TH but I feel it is necessary to tell you all that BNN will in no way, shape or form help promote him or his website.
I know you all don’t agree with us but we have our reasons. So we hope you will respect our feelings. We ask that if you feel the need to discuss TH in detail please take it somewhere else.
Thank you,
Jan Barrett
Ihope this helps explain Kate.
LFJ - be warned - ours in not a popular view!
Kate - I’m not an LE basher. I appreciate all they do and know they put their lives on the line for us everyday. I know mistakes happen but I have not seen one shred of evidence that LE has dropped the ball, been involved in some conspiracy or is not on the up and up. If someone can produce those facts I’ll be happy to review them but I don’t see LE as the bad guys here.
JB - I hope you saw my post at 9:29 am this morning. Kumbaya and I’m handing the chocolates out.
In case you think I disagree with your opinions about M and LE, I don’t. Those are also among my many theories. I just can’t commit to a particular theory until some real evidence comes out that points in one direction far more than any another. That’s why I have six or seven theories and can discuss the pros and cons of all of them.
Going back to the dog house. I put up my own hammock there. Hope that’s okay.
I want to know what is in Mistys letter exactley Nancys got Breaking news!
Havnt heard a Nancy Grace Bombshell in awhile! Hehe!
tobias, Thanks so much for finding that post from Jan. I am embarrassed that I missed it. In the meantime, I read something that I hadn’t read yet and, taken with Cobra’s situation, can so wholeheartedly get behind this policy. That website is not going to get another single hit from my computer.
JB, So well said about LE! I have been really impressed that they’ve kept from going completely bonkers over all of this. What a mess. Hopes and prayers that some really good things can be created from this chaos.
m2c, I know I came on strong with my position about what and why but that was largely because I had to settle it in my head so that I could let it go to some extent. I still think that anything is possible. Especially since all we have are behaviors and no statements about “evidence” from LE, except, perhaps, that there are “no of the earmarks of a stranger abduction” or something to that effect. In the “end,” there are a lot of things that need to be explained because this situation is quite unusual.
Hi, Kate! Well I’m sorry that I came on so strong yesterday. Definitely a bad on my part.
I hope JB will be able to forgive (and any others whom I might have upset).
This board is one of the few that I know of where it’s okay to discuss a variety of theories. It took a lot of “work” to enable that so I really do hope and pray it stays that way - meaning open to a variety of theories.
Several of mine are based on assuming that LE has done a great job. A few are based on the possibility that they haven’t (either intentionally or unintentionally).
There is SO much that we don’t know so that’s why I can’t settle on just one.
Now back to my hammock.
m2c - sorry, I hadn’t seen your post so glad you directed me to it. Is that a one or two person hammock you got going there? (No, not getting “funny” on you in THAT way!) But I do think a hug is in order! I do respect you m2c…very much. You are very intelligent and analytical. I just don’t like it when you tell us to STOP this or STOP that or tell us we aren’t thinking for ourselves or kow-towing. Yesterday was a bad day for me and your comments just struck me the wrong way. Apology accepted and please accept mine as well…sorry if I gave you rabies!
I just cant get over how the information has stopped coming in from all the media. The releases of all the tapes then everything completely stopped dead why? jmo
tobias - we need TJ back!
JB, Its not just losing TJ its all media. NG is using old tape and nothing new is being released, there has to be a reason for the media blackout(at least thats what I call it).
Something is going on behind the scenes and its
really wierd. jmo
Tobias…that is how I see it too. Ron has fallen completely silent. I don’t think it is because he isn’t getting visits…I think LE is holding his tapes. I also think something is in the works with Misty and her attorney…some deal or something…..as far as NG goes….she’s ALWAYS behind on the news. Her stuff is always old which is why I have to chuckle about her “BOMBSHELLS” and her “SECRETLY RECORDED TAPES”.
JB you asked what is one thing LE has done that is wrong, Peggy Cones giving confidential info to Kim P(Crystals attorney)is unethical and IMO corrupt. I think LE is to be respected and 99.9% of the time deserves it. BUT in a crime investigation one bad apple can ruin or stink up the entire case. One more example in my opinion is: the officer who took the sheets off the bed for the dogs is either stupid or purposely ruined the crime scene. In this case, to NOT question LE would be negligent and NOT in Haleigh’s best interest. IMO
tobias, you said: “I just cant get over how the information has stopped coming in from all the media.”
What information is the media supposed to report when there is nothing new to report?
IF more tapes were released some news org would get them. IF LE had a press conference we’d hear about it. IF anyone else got arrested for anything we’d hear about it.
When nothing is going on, there is nothing to report on (IMO)
Thats what I mean the total silence all at once. I have been doing alot of catching up though on facts. The truck that had the crack pipes in it on the Sheffield property belonged to a Jesse Watkins and not to any of the Sheffields or Griffis family. And they were found by Peggy Cone during the search of the property. Well I guess I will get caught up somemore until some news comes out bbl jmo
I agree it is too quiet for too long. I think this is the calm before a storm. When we got the 12 tapes of Misty and 12 of Tommy they were all recorded Feb 9-11. That is over 6 weeks ago. They just aren’t releasing anything.
JB, THANK YOU SO MUCH! Yes “Hugs!” And it is a one person hammock. Going in to “solitary” is probably best for me at times like this. I’m not good company for anyone. (sorry)
And please let me explain the “stop” comment. I meant that in the tone of voice you might hear in New Jersey (New Joizey), like “Stop it with the nagging, already, ma!” It was that tone I had in my head but it didn’t translate in print (obviously). Not like I really expected anyone to actually stop saying anything. It was just that I’ve seen that comment from the same person about a dozen times and it’s been responded to that many too by me and others. So that was like the baker’s dozenth time.
Anyway my post wasn’t intended the way it came across.
I think I’ll be back later too. Don’t feel up to another debate today….and I feel it coming on….again.
Oh, I did keep a few chocolates for myself since it’s obvious I need a little sugar to counteract my “vinegary” mood yesterday!
But I’m passing around the rest of the box!
Kumbaya!
If we don’t get something new soon we’re all going to go plum loco…I think I’ve gotten a headstart….bbl…gotta take a break
Do any of you remember the pictures reported from Sndgrasses house and some of them being of Misty or was that proven to be just rumour?
I was researching and came across it. the Misty that is Snodgrasses daughter in law told Cobra that the police had these pictures and 1000s more of young girls. Also that he ran an escort bussiness. hmmm Maybe he is involved after all? jmo
JB - Nope! I’ve got the head start, JB! (Now we can argue about that! LOL!)
But I did dive plum over the edge yesterday!!
Luckily I landed on a very narrow path that led up to this neat dog house someone made. So I hung up my hammock and will stay put for a while - with my mouth shut for the most part except for popping in a chocolate or two.
m2c…lol….perhaps there is some room UNDER your hammock for me….and you might “accidently” drop a chocolate now and then! I’ve gotta get some work done. I pray that SOMETHING gives in this case soon. Our precious Haleigh needs to be found.
Tonight on Nancy Grace : Misty’s letter is revealed ..
Tobias, crack pipes are interesting.
But, if they were found by Peggy Cone, I don’t believe it’s legit. LoL??
Are u sure they weren’t hers?
However, can u fill me in on that, i did not hear about the truck, etc..thankz!!
I was searching the web to see if anyone else has come out with Misty’s letter before Nancy Grace did.I don’t see any reports. I don’t have cable and am so anxious to know!!!!!
Michelle
I think Art Harris finds out stuff through Misty’s family. For some reason they always give him info…
But I think she has named Tommy because all of the sudden he is wanting to take a L.D test.
I don’t think Tommy had anything to do with Haleigh missing. She is just trying to get out of jail.
Michelle
I think Art Harris finds out stuff through Misty’s family. For some reason they always give him info…
But I think she has named Tommy because all of the sudden he is wanting to take a L.D test.
I don’t think Tommy had anything to do with Haleigh missing. She is just trying to get out of jail.
you can get on you tube tonight and this woman always uploads the videos of Nancy grace show
When you go to U tube put in Sierra 1947. That is how I watch the N.G show.
I’m not sure NG will have any “exclusive info” and I’m SURE she won’t have a copy of the letter. I did read on AH’s site (Gawd forgive me) that she does point the finger at Tommy and Cuz Joe but that isn’t a surprise to anyone. We already had that figured out from the “clues” she gave to her family and Hank’s reaction. I’m going with KY Mom on this one…I think Misty is pointing the finger at Tommy and Joe in hopes of getting out of jail and NOT because they are guilty. Why would she wait so long to tell on them? I think she is somehow involved and THAT is why she’s kept her trap shut all this time and I don’t see her giving a confession anytime soon….it will take a LOT more time behind bars and some hard knocks to get her to fess’ up IF she ever does. LE just needs her to slip up so they can get enough evidence to piece this together and so far Misty doesn’t appear to have done that. BUT, we don’t know for sure what is going on because NO ONE is telling us anything. The silence on this case right now is DEAFENING!
tobias said,
in March 24th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Thats what I mean the total silence all at once. I have been doing alot of catching up though on facts. The truck that had the crack pipes in it on the Sheffield property belonged to a Jesse Watkins and not to any of the Sheffields or Griffis family. And they were found by Peggy Cone during the search of the property. Well I guess I will get caught up somemore until some news comes out bbl jmo
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Kim said in her rebuttal it was Chad’s and I believe it was his truck too. She had written an email to Marie about not letting this info out because it would look bad on Crystal. Why would a 40 something YO man who lives in another town leave his crack/pipes on Bruce Griffis’s property?
Thanks Ky Mom! I will check it out : )
Tobias : There was constant fighting back and forth b/w Cummings and Sheffields related to the custody of the children.
That is one of the reasons why Ron didn’t give the children back over that Easter weekend.
If you go on Putnam County Clerk of Court, civil or family division, there are tons of court records and minutes w/ the constant back and forth b/w Ron and Crystal. Ron is usually the pursuer, trying to get full custody.
The judges seemed very leniant towards him, also.
I wish we could think of something truly productive to do in the meantime, while we wait… but I guess many of you very much need the rest and chocolate since you have been cranking away for over a year.
And thanks to so, so many of you for making this site a sane one. I don’t want to name names because I don’t want to leave anyone out. But it makes all the difference to find the community that is on this site versus others.
Lets see what has been going on in the last few weeks? Marie went somewhere and pparently took something with her that has the Cummings and a child advicate stopping by. We have had TJ take a leave of absence from reporting on this case and Simon and Jan took a much needed rest as well. We had a great duscusion the other day about the “Fake Search” the S/G family conducted with others and was visited by Connie Sheffield to set us straight and then a Crystal Marie popped in with a smart retort to Tobias’s question.
Jan has asked us not to mention the unmentionable here and we all are on edge and Need plenty of choclate from the year long wait for Haleigh to come home and justice to be served to those that have commited this crime.
Did I forget anything of importance?
Texas - you forgot about the GREAT dog house we built! Sheesh! You’d think you would remember that! LOL OH, and we all learned to sing Kumbaya in harmony! That TOO is very important. And I think we might have even improved on the original S’Mores recipe. We’ve been VERY busy! LOL
JB
I wished someone would bail Tommy out. lol
Misty would throw a fit.lol
I still think Misty knows something. You don’t lie beside of someone and then someone in the middle of the night comes in and abducts them without you knowing oh wait not laying beside her but in another bed a couple of feet away. Haleigh would have screamed or something .
I don’t think Ron had anything to do with it although I find it odd that he called her and told her about Donna Brock being under cover trying to find out info. Why would he do that?
Kate - I wish we could think of something productive to do too. There isn’t anything new to analyze or debate, nothing to research, nothing to discuss that hasn’t been rehashed and rehashed a million times before…we’re all going stir crazy. I just keep hoping it is so quiet for a reason and something is about to break….but I fear this letter won’t be the bombshell NG makes it out to be. I think it is a bunch of hogwash personally…but again, just my VERY humble and usually unwanted opinion! LOL
I meant lay …..
KY - I wish someone would bail Tommy out too just to get under Misty’s skin. I know it would push her over the edge and that is EXACTLY what LE needs for leverage right now.
I can’t figure out the Ron angle either. Nothing he has said or done has made since. He’s either worked WITH LE to try and get info from Misty OR he knows what happened and is involved in the cover-up too. At least those are some of my theories.
Yes, it is tempting to go back to the beginning… For example, one of the reasons I got interested is that I am a very heavy sleeper and it is frightening to me because yes, this sort of thing could happen to me while I am sleeping. We had an earthquake and I wouldn’t have woken up if it hadn’t been for my husband. But again, that’s all been hashed out.
TM39, Great post
(let’s see if that shows up as one of those fun icons). I didn’t hear about the child advocate stopping by. Was that Rebecca Thomas or another child advocate?
Kate… I believe it is possible to sleep through someone creeping in…. especially knowing Misty was tired and recovering from a drug/booze binge. I’m a pretty light sleeper so I am fairly certain it wouldn’t happen to me…but my son, like you, could sleep through an earthquake. An alarm clock does NOTHING to wake him up. You could stand over him and bang pots and pans together and he wouldn’t wake up. So I KNOW it is possible. But all of Misty’s lies and inconsistancies is what makes me wonder if that is truly the case….I’m not convinced she was home, much less slept through anything.
looking for Justice said,in March 24th, 2010 at 9:22 am
I am thinking Ron told Misty to point to the maternal side.
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I highly doubt it…it was shortly after they separated, and right after she said it, Ron and his team obviously misunderstood and thought she had pointed the finger at his family and came out swinging til they realised their mistake.
While I think all sides need to be investigated to make sure all bases were covered in the search for Haleigh. I still believe Misty holds the info and believe we will one day find out the anwers were in Satsuma and more than likely drug related.
ooppps…still waking up here….that last para in my last post should have been cut off….it’s from LFJ’s post.
Personally, I don’t believe Misty is the key.
:cheer:
But even if Misty is a heavy sleeper. I think it would have woke jr up…
m2c♥ said,in March 24th, 2010 at 9:29 am
I’ve been reamed out, called names and personally threatened MANY times. Why? For daring to say something negative about C/ the biomom’s side and for sometimes doubting the validity of a particularly negative accusation about about R.
Even this past February there was a threat posted here that “anyone who posts a negative comment about C after a negative comment about R must be a member of TN’s gang and will be tracked down and exposed.”
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So glad you and JB are back!!
And I agree, posting the possibility that the S/G side is involved can result in serious backlash/threats. I was one of the one’s being targeted by KP and her minions last year and it was not fun.
JB, For me, “Misty’s Inconsistencies” is a good topic. What do you think are the most important inconsistencies? One important one is where everyone was sleeping. My thought on that one, though, is that Ron gets her to change the story from she and HaLeigh in the same bed to HaLeigh in her toddler bed. There’s that one tape video, don’t know what station, where Misty is holding her fingers a few inches apart and Ron corrects her. I don’t mean this as a Ron bash at all, I just think that he doesn’t think it makes sense so he “corrects” her about where HaLeigh was.
Whoops, the cheer didn’t work. Sorry about that. :yay:
Kate - Misty’s inconsistencies range from who slept where, what Haleigh was wearing, what time the kids went to bed, where she was, what movie they were watching, whether she was doing laundry, who picked Haleigh up, you name it….who gets THAT much info wrong unless they are lying? In every interview she looks to others when she is asked a question like she needs help answering. If you are telling the truth there is only one version and thus easy to remember. When you lie, it is tough to keep the story straight and you get all the inconsistancies. She lied about passing the LDT then admitted failing then went back to say she passed. If you’re going to lie, at least remember your lies so you don’t have to lie again to cover the first lie you told that you can’t remember….she’s in a vicious cycle. Then once behind bars she said she knows nothing and has told everything she knows and a few days later she has this bombshell that she IS going to tell what she knows and it will hurt two people. The girl will give you whiplash with her stories. One minute she doesn’t care about Ron’s new girlfriend and the next the two of them are getting back together and Ron is “the one”. I don’t believe anything that comes out of her mouth quite frankly and I don’t think LE does either.
Hello ME and thank you. Yes, m2c and I shared some chocolate, shook paws and have retreated together to the dog house!
This has probably been covered, but I’m pretty sure MC is about to implicate TC. The time frame of this so-called letter and his need to take a poly are just too close together. Maybe we will learn something tonight on NG. At least the first 10 minutes, and then everything else will just be her attempt to keep from drowning, and playing the same thing over and over again. They need to shorten her show to 30 minutes at least.
JB WHOOPS! Im sorry I forgot our newly remodled dog house.
I do believe alot has gone on and as to the queit that realy is not so queit.
We where informed 3 Sundays ago about Maries little weekend getaway from TJ and then he takes his vacation. I am wondering if there was something to this….. could it possible be a leak that TJ unknowingly let out to us on the show. What do y’all think?
Hey Shockwave…we all suspected that Tommy and Cuz Joe were the two Misty was pointing the finger at…AH’s site confirms that for what it is worth. I’m not buying it but I DO believe you are right about Tommy and why he is wanting to take the LDT…..which tells me he’s probably not guilty and Misty is just slinging crap at the wall to see what will stick and hopefully get out of jail…which I don’t see happening. LE finds out she is yanking their chain they are going to throw the book at her…IMHO
Texas - I’m not making anything out of Marie’s vacation…there is nothing to go on at this point. Anything we surmise would be purely speculative….of course, that’s pretty much all our theories are too! LOL But I do know TJ has been stressed to the max. The poor man never got a moment’s rest….this was a 24/7 assignment that lasted over a year. He NEEDED to step back for his health and I’m glad he did. We certainly miss his scoops but I TOTALLY understand his absence and wish him nothing but the best.
JB WHOOPS! I’m sorry I forgot our newly remodeled dog house.
I do believe a lot has gone on and as to the quiet that really is not so quiet.
We where informed 3 Sundays ago about Marie’s little weekend getaway from TJ and then he takes his vacation. I am wondering if there was something to this….. could it possible be a leak that TJ unknowingly let out to us on the show. What do y’all think?
Shock…when I said I wasn’t buying it I mean I’m not buying Misty saying Tommy and Cuz Joe did this. Why would she wait all this time to turn them in after all she’s gone through. Just doesn’t make sense. I think she’s doing it to help herself and not because they are guilty.
Uh Texas…am I seeing double? LOL Your post showed up twice! LOL
the found marc anthony bookal in a duffel bag three blocks from his house
JB, Well, you read my idea about what Misty said about “who slept where.” As for the “what time they went to bed,” I thought she’d been pretty consistent on that with the kids at 8:30 and herself around 10 pm. I’m not saying, AT ALL, that I believe that she is telling the truth, I just don’t see where these inconsistencies really add up to anything. What does seem important is that she and Ron sure do seem to have a “mutual code of silence.” And since I credit LE, I do think that since they think she is withholding important information, I will go along with that. In conclusion, this line of inquiry didn’t turn out to be very interesting at all. My fault. Oh well.
Where did everyone go? HELLO? Dang, got my nails clipped, got dewormed, put on a special flea collar and got another rabies shot and they STILL leave me here alone!
Yeah, the “Tommy and Joe Show” seems to be where we’ve been way back when. Unless she suddenly decided to reveal new details regarding that. But why would she wait until now since she’s been pointing her finger at them for forever?
Phewww…thought I was home alone! LOL…. Kate, that is why I don’t believe it. I can’t think of a reason that she would keep quiet about Tommy and Cuz Joe all this time and suddenly reveal this breaking news. She hasn’t had any problems with throwing them under the bus before.
i prayed for caylee to be alive eventhough i knew she really wasn’t wishful thinking i guess so i still pray haleigh is although i know she isn’t
April…OH NO! That is awful! Why did it take so long to find the body that close to home? Was the baby just recently killed or had the body been there all along? Are they charging the crackhead boyfriend? Got any other details! RIP little angel!
April…yes, I knew Caylee was dead immediately…all the lies….that is what scares me about all of Misty’s lies….what is she covering up?
I bet NG will drop the Haleigh case tonight and broadcast info on the Marc Anthony Bookal case instead. So sad. I hope they catch whoever killed this little angel. He was such a little cutie!
Am I all alone…again?
TM39, I am hoping that Marie’s vacation is connected to TJ stepping away. I hope that TJ knows it is almost over and he can rest and the truth will still come out. In contrast to when he was the only real journalist investigating!!
what lies has she told? Getting confused about who slept where or washing clothes is not “lies”! Misty doesn’t know what happen..LE has bungled this from the beginning, now they have a scapegoat to deflect responsiblity for their inept boondoggle of an investigation.
JB, I do hold some hope that Misty’s lies are different. She and Ron do seem to have some mutual secrets, or code of silence, like I said before, so I hope that matters.
Because if Haleigh isn’t alive, God forbid, could this crew really have pulled it off for so long? So hard for me to believe.
OJ’s glove, I am glad to have something that you and I can agree on. Like you say, getting confused about who slept where and washing clothes… some people pay a lot of attention to that sort of stuff and some of us very little. And wasn’t it Misty herself who found the shirt that she thought HaLeigh was wearing? Seems to me that shows that she was confused, not necessarily lying.
Well, hello OJ, right on cue! LOL If Misty is only “confused” she has to be the most CONFUSED person on the planet. IF you are telling the truth you don’t have to think about your answer, you don’t tell multiple different stories, etc. If you are more comfortable calling them inconsistancies so be it…but I’ll call them what they are….LIES
So why did she say on the jailhouse video she doesn’t know anything and a few days later say she is going to tell what she knows and it will hurt two people? Isn’t that a lie because both statements can’t be true!
She said she didn’t care about Ron or his girlfriend and then turned around and said she loved him and he was “the one”….okay, which of those is true and which is the lie
She said she passed the LDT and then later on confessed she didn’t and that she had in fact failed it….so which is the truth and which is the lie because they can’t both be true.
She said she put a certain movie in but a different one was in the movie player….
I could go on and on and on and on but I’ll spare everyone the repeat of old news.
I understand being stressed when you find out a child is missing but at some point the fog clears and you would be EAGER to go over EVERYTHING you know with LE…instead she dodges questioning, give conflicting answers, changes her story and contradicts herself…and then she wonders why LE is looking at her so closely.
Dangit, every time I go to get on I am distracted with something or someone, sorry. I think I have the time to stay caught up and a part of the convo now.
Test
JB, well, I would agree that Misty is one of the most confused people on the planet, but that doesn’t make her guilty. I know it is hard for those “rooted in reality” to understand, but some of us are “in our heads and imaginations” a lot of the time. Also, she was only 17 yrs. old, a kid herself. But I don’t want to back myself into a corner defending Misty. I do think that she is withholding important information but I don’t think it is because she can’t remember which dvd the kids watched. And it does kind of crack me up that she doesn’t seem to understand what jail is all about, “I’m going to tell the media just how bad their jail is… they don’t let me do anything.” Yep, that’s jail, Misty.
tobias said,in March 24th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I have been doing alot of catching up though on facts. The truck that had the crack pipes in it on the Sheffield property belonged to a Jesse Watkins and not to any of the Sheffields or Griffis family. And they were found by Peggy Cone during the search of the property. Well I guess I will get caught up somemore until some news comes out bbl jmo
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The crack and crack pipe are referred to in emails between Kim P & Marie, and make it pretty clear that the crack belonged to Chad and/or Crystal.
Kate said,in March 24th, 2010 at 4:41 pm TM39, I am hoping that Marie’s vacation is connected to TJ stepping away. I hope that TJ knows it is almost over and he can rest and the truth will still come out. In contrast to when he was the only real journalist investigating!!
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If it is I hope that his silence and choice to rest at this time is in preperation to give HaLeigh a voice in seeking justice when she is found.
JB,
You asked why Misty would wait so long to tell on Tommy & Joe…she was actually pointing the finger at them from the time Haleigh went missing….this is nothing new, imo.
Hey, Me !
Yes, thankfully, JB and I (meaning myself) are “back!” HAD to because I know perfectly well that JB is one of the very few who will stand anywhere near me when I sing “Kumbaya.” (I can see the cotton balls sticking out of her ears but I politely pretend not to!)
On second thought, maybe she’s standing near me because I’m holding the box of chocolates! LOL! Hmmm. Oh, well.
me said,in March 24th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
The crack and crack pipe are referred to in emails between Kim P & Marie, and make it pretty clear that the crack belonged to Chad and/or Crystal.
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Remind me where we where told that,me. Was that in the Bar Complaint?
TM,
Yes, in the bar complaint. It’s in an email from KP to Marie.
So is that a legal and binding document that could be used in a court of law?
From KP to Marie….
Everyone should be instructed not to answer any questions about the crack pipe issue, or who
the truck is owned by. No comment is the word on this. Marie: you need to be very careful of what
Diane knows about this issue. If she reports that the truck was Chad’s, and that they were his old
pipes, that would be extremely bad. DCF would most likely get involved, and Chad could get
arrested. Every “Ron”fan on the internet would call the authorities and demand action against
Chad and Crystal.
Cobras went to court today.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=153788&catid=3
Hi JB. I lost the directions to get to your dog house. That’s why it took me so long.
What if TC stupidly thinks he can pass a poly even though he may be guilty? Or his lawyer is telling him to take it because TC is lying, and his lawyer thinks he will pass it. TC doesn’t have a choice if that’s true. Isn’t it highly possible that MC does know something? She is the “KEY.” I really hope NG isn’t full of hot air, and comes through tonight.
It is time for this case to be solved. Can I get an Amen?!
LOL……. How many know crimes have we seen them get away with so far?
Did you guys here about the map thing in the Caylee case? I wish he had video of CA starting to point to where the body is on the map before her mom intervened.
Don’t follow monsters. I just have never been able to stomach that case.
Shockwave, AMEN! Chorus style with clapping!!
Haleighs abduction from her bed in the middle of the night is the worst nightmare a child could have and a parent could wake to.
FYI on Cobra
Cobra went to Court today and entered a no-contest plea to a charge of battery. He received one year of probation.
There were a few conditions of his probation:
1. Cobra cannot conduct any bondsman activity nor any investigation work in the 7th Judicial Circuit during that one year. (No working on the HaLeigh case)
2. No contact with the victim in this case.
You can find an article on First Coast News. I won’t post the link right now, that way this post will go through right away.
A non stranger abduction is the worst, because it is someone that this family knew.
Ron is the kinda Daddy that would kill the Monster one by one if he actually knew who it really was that took HaLeigh. The only reason Ron has not sought justice “Daddy” style is because he is not sure who has Haleigh or who had the balls to come in his back door and take his little girl.
He has his suspicions now and has voiced them to the public, his attorney and I am sure LE.
Maybe that is why we have the Satsuma 5 now behind bars. Funny that we didn’t see any one else arrested in a drug sting such as this. Was Donna the only supplier?
J
Does this conclude Cobra’s legal issues in PC.
Texasmommy,
Sure does. His other legal issue was dropped (His 6/18/09 arrest for “Grand Theft” was dropped on 7/7/09, so essentially that went nowhere).
Cobra is now done with the legal system in Putnam County.
I wonder if Simon will now share his news he said he had? I hope so!
Willam “Cobra” Staubs In Court on Wednesday
Jessica Clark Created: 3/24/2010 5:28:38 PM Updated: 3/24/2010 5:52:17 PM
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — The private investigator from South Florida that helped in the search for Haleigh Cummings will not be able to investigate in northeast Florida for a year.
William “Cobra” Staubs was in court today after a Putnam County man filed a false imprisonment charge against Staubs in 2009.
Today, at the Putnam County courthouse, Staubs entered a no-contest plea to the lesser charge of battery and received one year of probation.
But one condition of the sentence bars Staubs from conducting any bondsman activity or investigation work in the 7th Judicial Circuit during the year, and that means he would not be able to investigate the Haleigh case in Putnam.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=153788&provider=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
J, Thanks so much for the Cobra update. On the one hand, not too bad, doesn’t sound like he can’t do anything he doesn’t want to be doing anymore, anyhow; on the other, how outrageous that such a good man gets charged with something, anything, when there is all this real crime going on…
TM39, Maybe Ronald is in jail at his request to keep him from during worse :lol:. I hope that isn’t too bad a thing to say. But really, HaLeigh and Jr. and Jordyn need him to be their dad so I hope he is still doing what he can.
That’ what I was hoping for too.
LOL I want to hear from Cobra, maybe now he can get a little of his chest and be of some help in bringing HaLeigh home.
Texasmommy39 said,
in March 24th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Haleighs abduction from her bed in the middle of the night is the worst nightmare a child could have and a parent could wake to.
To be sure… So glad we have an alarm system, although don’t want to be lulled into a false sense of security because of it.
He has been awful queit behind thse bars. Maybe he knows now and he is aplace that he can not do any damage to the investigation and the legal system of a trial before…..Does Florida have the death penalty? If it doesn’t or if their is a chance that they could just sit behind bars……..better make sure Ron is not a cell mate.
Kate
We all are guilty of having a false sense of security or the attitude it can not or could not happen to me, but, it will and it does some way or another and we are all never to be the same and always on alert.
I do hope that their is a Haleigh Law that will defiantly make this injustice and crime not be just another missing child’s case that goes cold. A case where another child is soon forgotten to be found 18 years later and still abused by the monster that took them.
kate: Cobra wasn’t setup by LE, he broke the law, end of story..Misty and her posse were entrapped, made to be fallguys..their storys just beginning..they will all be found “not guilty”..Shame on LE for making a mockery of the justice system and blowing the haleigh search with their ineptitude..4SHAME!
I guess I will tune in tonight to NG and hear last months info and watch rerun videos of Misty and Tommys visits with mom and dad between glass.
Can’t believe I’m counting the minutes to NG!
OJ’s glove, Yes, I do hope a new, effective law comes out of this. What do you think it should be? Myself, I’m not sure yet, not until we know more.
Cobra:
If you are reading this, I am glad this case is settled, although, unfairly. You should have never been charged in the first place.
I hope this will enable you to get back to your work, but I’m not sure if there are any limitations outside of Putnam County, or not.
I will never forget how much you put into this case. Thank you. Let us hear from you.
Nancy Grace bumps HaLeigh coverage.
It’s believed that the body of little Marc Bookal was found. RIP baby!
Well they “nancy grace show” probably didn’t have anything new on the Hailey case. Just the same old stuff we have seen millions of times. If there was anything suffocate in that letter we would have seen an arrest by now. I just don’t understand why they are keeping it a secret????.
What a shame the mother should never have left this baby with her boyfriend. The guy was known to her to be a child beater. Why do women do this over and over? Arent their children more important than any man? She should face charges too.imho
I got so mad about her explanation of the hiemlich manuver not being used on a young child. What BS, I have even preformed it on my dog several times since he has a habit of wolfing his food. And he has never had injuries like a perforated liver, the woman was making excuses for this POS. jmo
Interesting things I came away with tonight after watching NG.
“Double Jeopardy” and the DA’s stance and how they play their cards in an investigation
Probation violation arrests can be made for LE to get information from a potential suspect.
I am glad they found the baby and knew all along who did it and did something to get him behind bars and away from the other children in the home before they had to find a body.
It does make you wonder why HaLeighs case is so different. If Misty did do something to HaLeigh would’nt it make sence that HaLeigh would be found by now if not that very morning?
Well, this mother will have to live with her desicion to leave her toddler in this mans care. I hope she can live with it and learn from it and protect her other children. I find it sickening that she actually defended this piece of @#$%.
Simon wrote a NEW ARTICLE about COBRA. “Haleigh Cummings - One Sideshow Ends”
Just scroll up this page and click on the orange box on the left that reads “home.” Then scroll down that page to the new Cobra article.
Sadly, there is also a new article about little Marc Anthony Bookal whose body was found.
Look where they found the body, just 2 miles away from his house. If Haleigh were one of mine, I would personally go over every square inch for 5 miles that I could get to. The body’s are, almost, always so close by.
Karon - that’s something I’ve never been able to understand. Why are you out messing around with strippers and dealing drugs, when you should be looking for your daughter, or step child. Of course I got blasted for wondering why. People kept making excuses for RC. Saying he was mowing lawns for a living. Well great. Then when you are done making an honest living - go look for your daughter. Don’t keep living the same life style that probably took your daughter’s life in the first place.
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