Due to circumstances over the past 24 hours we have decided to cancel Sundays program about Haleigh Cummings. We will be back on March/21. I know that we have a very large and loyal audience, and we say thank you for your support.
It has been a very long and draining 13 months. And a very frustrating 13 months.
TJ Hart Programming and News Director of WSKY 97.3 asked that I include his prepared statement.
Dear fans of the program,
Thank you, for your listenership, your questions and your feedback over the past year in the Haleigh Cummings story.
Over the past few years here in Florida, I have covered the missing/murdered child cases of Jessica Lundsford, Trenton Duckett, Haleigh Cummings and Somer Thompson. The time and energy devoted to these heartbreaking cases has taken tremendous toll on me physically and mentally.
It has been brought to my attention by my family, what’s left of my friends and my employer that covering these stories has become an unhealthy obsession that has taken me away from my primary duties as a family member, a friend and the director of news and programming at my radio stations their websites.
In the past 13 months, I have not slept an entire night without the phone ringing or beeping with a text message. I have only been away from my job a handful of days often working 7 days a week and between 8 and 18 hours a day.
My 11-year-old granddaughter recently asked me if loved those “other kids” more than her.
That got my attention!
I have come to an agreement with my family, friends and employer to remove myself from missing children stories on radio, TV and the internet for the foreseeable future.
Thank you, for your thoughts, prayers and understanding in this matter.
Sincerely,
TJ Hart
I also asked Jan for her thoughts.
It breaks my heart to be writing this but I feel it is necessary to try and explain my position on this subject. I have not been well lately myself and I don’t sleep very well. I find myself constantly thinking about what happened to Haleigh. I sleep for maybe three hours at night and then wake up and instead of one of my kids or grandchildren on my mind I think about Haleigh. I wonder if I should be around my computer in case something important comes in so I get out of bed and end up staying up until Simon gets up and takes over the shift of waiting for more news. I dream of finding Haleigh. Most of the dreams are of finding her alive while few are without a happy ending.
I started out reporting on missing children when Caylee Anthony disappeared and I got in deep with it and to this day I still follow the case only because I desperately want her to get the justice she so rightfully deserves by seeing the one responsible for her murder found guilty and punished.
On the day of Caylee’s memorial service I got the news of another little girl in Florida missing, Haleigh Cummings. BNN started covering the story right away never dreaming for one minute that it would become so big. Each day that went by we would pray for it to be the day she would be found.
The case has taken a toll on me though. It has interfered with my other job duties on BNN making my working hours much longer than any normal employee has especially one that doesn’t get paid. When it comes to a point when a doctor wants to put me on sleeping pills and antidepressants just to make it one day to the next gives me reason to rethink this.
Simon and I have discussed the situation and we both agree that it is time to back away for a few days. My health is one of our main reasons for this. I want to be able to function in life again.
The whole case has got everyone frustrated. Even the bloggers following the case are tiring of never hearing any good answers. They keep demanding new news but if there is none we can’t give any. When we try and go back to see if there are some things we missed during certain events that happened during the case we are accused of reporting old news and once again the demand for new news comes out. We wanted to make everyone happy but we can’t make up news just to do that.
I have problems with my back and hips and major blood pressure problems and none of this is helping. Not getting proper rest and sleep has to stop if I ever expect to get my health back.
I will continue writing about missing children as I see them coming in as the subject still goes to my heart. These children need protection and I do feel by making it public knowledge about how serious this problem is will help. If their names and pictures are all over the internet the chances of hiding them makes it harder, at least I would hope so.
I feel in my heart that Haleigh is still alive regardless what others think. I have my own theory (nothing factual and that is why I haven’t said anything specific) that makes perfect sense to me but I don’t know what happened to this little girl so I could be totally wrong. None of us know what happened but it still doesn’t mean that my theory is wrong. It is just as much a possibility for mine to be right as someone else’s that is totally opposite of mine to be right.
This doesn’t mean I am taking Haleigh out of my heart because that can never happen. I will still listen for any break in her case and if something comes up I will report it but I have to stop the 24/7 coverage. I pray that you all will understand my position here. God bless you all and especially the children that need all of our help.
Jan Barrett
This is the second most painful article I have ever written, the most difficult was when my good friend and fellow journalist Sean Krause finally succumbed to cancer. We had talked about contributing on a book. Even a week before his death he seemed upbeat and ready to get started. I was devastated when his sister called me and told me that Sean had moved on to other opportunities. Sean had very much become part of our family. His biting coverage of the Caylee Anthony case was legendary, alas also was his rather ripe use of the English language. I know that he was ‘courted’ to appear on CNN many times, but somehow he could not quite keep his mouth in check.
Sean died three days after Haleigh Cummings went missing. I don’t know how or why, but Sean’s death somehow propelled us into the Haleigh Cummings story.
Haleigh Cummings brought a new set of challenges right on the death of Sean. Haleigh Cummings introduced us to a new set of people. It was not long before we were reporting and not regurgitating. I can’t remember the exact set of circumstances, but suddenly we had acquired two new best friends, TJ Hart and William Cobra Staubs.
Bill didn’t have great table manners, but the mans heart was in the right place. I talk to him still pretty much every day. There are people that think that his sole interest was fame and fortune. It really was not. If I want someone in my corner rooting for me, I would take Bill over anyone else. His involvement in the search for Haleigh Cummings has cost him his ability to earn a living. It may still cost him not just the love of his life, but also his freedom. Bill had to distance himself from the case.
TJ and I for no good reason just seemed to hit it off. Even though we might be viewed as adversaries looking for readers, we have never ever operated that way. Often a story would have two sides to it, TJ would take one aspect, and I would run with the other.
Few people realize just what a toll this case has taken on a great number of people, including those involved with the actual investigation.
It is my intention to continue reporting on this story, however I have decided that we will not be running our regular radio broadcast this Sunday. We will be back on the 21st.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI think that’s a wise decision.
I have thought why am I allowing my self to get so caught up in this case since Misty, Ron, & the rest of clan don’t seem to care. I think about Haleigh all the time but when it frustrates me I can step away from my computer as I’m not as involved as TJ, Simon, & Jan. I hope that we will have this site until Haleigh is found as a way of sharing our thoughts. Jan & TJ please take care of yourself & your families first as that is our number on priority in life as it should have been for Ron & his family. Simon I hope you can distance yourself enough to stay healthy but yet give us updates. Thank you so much for the updates and in the end it will all be worth it as Haleigh will someday be found and the people responsible will be punished.
Jan Take care of yourself - hope you get to feeling better. I know what its like to be in pain all the time and have high blood pressure.
Jan & Simon, I commend you for making this decision and my prayers are with you.
Simon and Jan, you definitely need to take some time off to refresh your bodies and souls! You are absolutely right that you cannot make up new news. This case will be solved in its own time and there is nothing more you can do at this point to hasten this process. By consistently drawing attention to Haleigh and the actions of the various players, you have done all that’s humanly possible to help put pressue on the responsible parties. Now is the time to draw back and wait for your contibutions to bear fruit. Haleigh will appreciate that people like yourselves have cared for her and helped to bring her home.
It takes strength to pull back, but sometimes you must. Taking time to regenerate yourself is part of being able to do a good job, and it is a responsibilty in life to take good care of yourself. Don’t overdo your jobs! Pull Back. Rejuvenate. Focus on yourselves and your family. Rediscover yourselves! What will be, will be. The world will go on, a little better for your efforts. Good Luck!
I have appreciated all the stories and updates that you have contributed to on Caylee and Haleigh. I understand a passion for justice that can turn into an obsession. I also understand the tole a body can take when stress attacks physically and mentally. I commend you for you decisions. I know it’s not easy to break away. Don’t second-guess, kiss, hug, and inspire your grandchildren to be the leaders for change. They are the future to making the innocent children safer in the world. If I have learned anything from Caylee and Haleigh, the minimum, is to pay more attention as a neighbor in my community. I pray always to hear that Haleigh has come home and that Caylee gets justice. Blessings to you TJ, Jan, Simon & Bill.
Sincerely, Tracey
The focus should be on lobbying congress to pass stiffer laws for child abusers, not reporting on nonsense.
THIS ARTICLE REALLY SADDENS ME ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE STORY @ HAND.I SO UNDERSTAND JAN AND SIMON HOW MUCH THIS CASE AND OTHERS MEAN TO U.I ALSO FEEL AND UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CAN AFFECT UR LIFE.SO MANY TIMES MONTHS AGO ID BE UP SEARCHING THE WEB FOR NEWS,CALLING MY MOTHER [A MINISTER]TO PLEASE PRAY FOR HALEIGH.MANY TIMES I FOUND MYSELF STEPPING OUT OF CHARACTER AS I BLOGGED,ANGRY WITH MISTY.RON AND WHOMEVER ELSE.EITHER WAY TJ,JAN,AND SIMON MAY GOD BLESS ALWAYS N 4 EVER…U R SOME OF THE MOST REMARKABLE,UNSELFISH PPL IVE ENCOUNTERED IN LIFE.
JellyBean, I don’t believe for a minute that any of their reporting has been nonsense. All the rumors and bashing that has gone on in many forums is nonsense. But there has been none of this on Simon’s show and in Simon and Jan’s writings. They have focused on news about Haleigh and logical analysis of this news. They have labeled rumors as such and avoided bashing anyone. I agree that stiffer laws need to be passed. But honest reporting serves to draw attention to these issues, to heighten awareness about child abuse, and to increase social pressure against it.
well the decisions you 3 made to take a break from Haleigh is unsettling to me. I hope this won’t be a trend and Haleigh is forgotten…like you I have followed this case since the beginning and find myself checking the blogs and twitter all day, the obsession to find the truth and justice for Haleigh is amazing, good luck in your lives
One request I would make of all of you, give us your unabridged and unrestrained opinions as to what really happened to Haleigh, you can do this now without the fear of loosing a contact or interview
Again Good Luck
An end is not near. Misty will not break. LE and other agencies are not doing their jobs on this case. “Misty holds the key” is wrong.
After all this time. who can argue with this?
Aligoo,
Our standards on reporting differ.
My doc recently suggested I take off a few days from Haleigh’s case, and from “the news” in general, because of anxiety and insomnia. I was doing a bit better but then they found Amber DuBois.
Maybe the thirteenth month marks the place in time where something somewhere finally has to give. Certainly it’s been even more stressful for the central characters, so I do hope someone breaks soon.
Simon, Jan, T.J., please do take good care of yourselves. We may never ever know what has happened/is happening to Haleigh. We all need to find a way to reconcile ourselves with that possibility, to find peace without closure.
Take care, all.
I found this very sad to see that the people that are taking the time to devote their time to find Haleigh have to step away but I do understand and god bless you and will pray for the strength and courage for you to step away and breathe for a moment. This has been a very emotional and some time raw pain for many as we become flustered with the no news and the rumors and ect. I for one also believe that HaLeigh is alive and who ever has her should be ashamed of themselves. They are cowards in my eyes since they made the decision to take her and now are afraid to come forward to suffer the consequences. I hold this little girl very close to my heart and will continue until the day she is brought home either for closure or a happy reunion. God bless everyone and pray that the end is near!
I feel this case may end here. The parties in jail may never talk and go off to do their time for the drugs. The case may never get solved. We can only pray that one of these people have something to deal with and that they do it or Haleigh may never be found.
If the people who took Haleigh are the ones in jail I hope the days ,weeks and years go slow and painfully for them. jmo
Jan & Simon, TJ, Bill, thank you for the hard work, honest answers about what you know and could share but most importantly for caring about Caylee, Haleigh, Adji, Somer,and sad to say the list goes on. All I can say is I feel Haleigh will be found but in God’s time not ours and I still search every day for news on her! As we all do. Take care of yourselves and your health and families for they are your blessings. angel blessings Sass
Honesty at 10:35am, what a sincere, unselfish, optimistic, compassionate, encouraging post!! Thank you!!!
Jan, Simon & TJ. Your health comes first. Then your families love & support.
What you have brought to us on this case is heartfelt and will never be forgotten. But now it is your turn to take care of yourself and your loved ones.
Jan wrote she has a theory on what happened. Not sure what that is, but I do hope God is listening!!
I recently stopped coming to this blog. The aggrevation that people are feeling are felt by the posts that are being posted. None of us know, what is going on in this case, if at all anything. Some theories people have put out there are silliness, and I have learned to skip over those. Now I have found myself skipping over everyone’s so I have stayed away this past week. I see my decision was correct.
We will hear on TV if there is anything to hear. In the meantime, thank you for trying to keep this cold case going. Maybe one day we can all get together and have closure on this case. Until that happens, God Bless, and please take care of yourself.
Good morning everyone! Treece you have managed to take the words right out of my mouth. Honestys post was absolutely beautiful and couldn’t have been stated better.
Tj, Simon,Jan and Cobra have been our lifeline to the happenings in this case for so long due to the fact that when they report, they report the truth, and leave the gossip and rumor in the dirt where it belongs. For this, I am grateful. We may never know what actually happened to our little angel.One thing we will always know however, is that Bnn has cared enough to risk life and health to gain the truth and justice for her. Again, for this, I am grateful.
I have met some very wonderful new friends here that truely care, so it goes without saying…I am grateful. I think that this case has taken a toll on many of us, and I hope and pray that we learn the truth soon…as we all need closure.
Sorry to see you all leaving for a while at least but it is understandable that this would take a heavy toll on ones health. When you live, eat, sleep and breath something of this nature it will eat you alive if you let it. Rest a while, regain your strength but please do not leave us permanently. This is the only place we can come to for the real facts, and I do not feel for one minute that you are reporting junk. God bless you in your efforts and in your decisions. We still pray for the safe return of Hayleigh, although doubtful. We still seek justice for Caylee as well as all the other children who have been taken from our midst and I know you all do too. Take care, we will miss you all.
Thank you, each and everyone.
Perhaps when this is all over, there will be one final story. I haven’t decided whether to write it all down or take to my grave.
TJ Hart
Tj, Jan & Simon, I have the utmost respect for you all. Thank you for all the sacrifices you have made for the love of children. I love you all!
TJ, You have to know by now that we all love you, but man, I gotta’ say…Yer’ such a tease!!
Jan,Sommon,TJ, I’m not going to say I’m sad that y’all are taking a break. In fact, I think it’s time for y’all to take an over due break for a bit. Y’all have done so much since Caylee’s case and then Haleigh’s case and others as well. Y’all need your time and space as well. This is 1 reason I’ve been away as well. There is only so much we can all take and absorb. We can only hope at this point that the truth will come out. I feel everyone here is to the exhausting point as well. It’s truly time to just back away for a bit. I hope all the best for you 3 as well as the bloggers. Take all the time y’all need and want. There’s no rush to come back to this case unless a MAJOR break through happens, Like the truth finally coming out. (((HUGS)))
oops, Sommon=Simon
Methinks…
It would be good therapy to document all of this, but I can see it ending up being very hurtful to others to who don’t deserve it. Thinking it best to let it rest.
TJ,
I want to thank you for all of the time, effort, and heart you have put into all of these cases. I am so sorry it has taken the toll on you that it has. It does show what a great man you are for it to have effected you to this degree. Only a person with true compassion would suffer physically and emotionally as you have. Thank you for being one of the “good guys”.
My hopes for you are that you are able to repair the damage this has taken in your life. I pray that your health improves; and your family relationships mend. As much as we would all like to help missing children, it does us no good if we destroy our own family in the process. My very best to you and yours.
Simon & Jan,
My appreciation extends to you, as well. Thank you to all who have tried to get the information out there about missing children at the expense of their own health and emotional well being. I know I am usually a little gruff, but my heart and prayers are with you.
It’s your story TJ, tell it any way or any time you choose! All I know is id’da’ make fer’ some great reading!
I don’t think anything you have written has been junk. You are the only ones that have kept Haleigh’s name out there, unless of course someone thinks it’s a “bombshell”, which we had already read from this site.
I’m so sorry to hear about your health problems. I’m not surprised though. Stress will take it’s toll. TJ, Simon, Jan please don’t feel like you’ve let anyone down. Your own families have to come first. I know how hard you have worked on this case. Cobra as well. It’s cost all of you a lot. If it’s affecting me the way it has, I can’t even imagine what you all have been through. I know you will never stop thinking of Haleigh, as I won’t. She’s in all our hearts now. I’ve met some wonderful people here on BNN. My computer is really messed up, so I haven’t been able to post much, but have been trying to keep up.
Thanks to all the bloggers that have kept Haleigh in their hearts too. Honestly, we could all use a little break. We need to focus on our own family too. I have not given up on Haleigh, but like you said, you can’t just create news that isn’t there.
I will continue to pray for Haleigh and all of you as well.
I think you made the right decision. If you aren’t in good health, you can’t help anyone else.
TJ, you hang in there. Spend time with your family. You have brought something to the table that no one else could have.
This isn’t the end folks, so no one is giving up on Haleigh. I hope none of you insinuate that.
God Bless all of you. Be talking to you soon.
I will never give up nor will I forget why we have all became so involved in this case for this long. HaLeigh
She needs us more today then ever!
Simon, Jan, Tj and all those that have been HaLeigh’s hope, I hope you can sleep now and have your life back to normal.
My family have all thought I was crazy and obsessed as well but I keep thinking of my little girls and if HaLeigh was mine heaven and earth would of shook and would still be shaking with my search and cry for help TILL SHE IS FOUND!!!!!!!!!
This is just my opinion and hope all of you are well soon and return to continue the search and demand for HaLeighs return or justice to be served.
Whiskey Mike,
I believe you just pulled into first place in the “Say it best to the best” contest! That was said beautifully!
I came to check in. I have been down with the flu. I just want to say thank you TJ. You will truely be missed. Thank you Simon and Jan for all you do to keep us updated. You all are such wonderful people. What you bring is honest reporting and I appreciate you all for that. May God bless you all with good health. I will keep you all in my prayers.
methinks,
Thank you. You are a wonderful blogger, and I truly appreciate your praise.
Whiskey Mike, Yer’ so very welcome!
Hello to you Looking for justice!!
Hello methinks, How are you doing ?
LFJ, I’m doing much better today! My tooth no longer throbs…which, for me, is heavenly!!LOL
Stormgardener, It’s great to see you back. You haven’t been here much lately. I hope your computer stays well too! lol You posts always seem so level headed. They stand out to me.
I am glad too hear that methinks. I will come back on later if I am feeling up to it. Until then friend.
LFJ, Have a good rest!
methinks I’ll go rest too…I’ll check back in later as well.
Thanks methinks, I appreciate that. I think that about your posts as well. I’ve missed all of you. Some of you have some great theory’s. If something happened to me, I know I would want all of you on my side. We may just be armchair detectives, but sometimes everyone putting their heads together could really come up with a solution. My son’s helping me find a new pc. I think this one has just seen better days.
I miss it. It’s a great way to meet good people. Of course you have to be careful, but even though I’ve never met any of you, I feel as though I do know you.
Take care all, I hope to be able to get back on later.
Thank you Simon, Jan, TJ, and all involved with BNN for caring, for loving, for crying out for justice for the innocent victims.
The criminal justice system in our country must change. We need nationwide mandatory sentences for crimes against children.
Cathatic, I agree, I like Californias 3 strike law. Only for these crimes, it should be “O” tolerance… 0 second chances, no ankle braclets, manitory life without parole. Thats it.
Vaquera, That seems to be a commom symptom today…your not alone in your sadness.
I will be praing for all of you, and I will ne praying for Haleigh, always. Get some rest and heal, emotionally, physically, and spiritually.
Yes, methinks, for pedophiles and for abusive parents alike, there should be a law that says if you do it once, you will not get a chance to do it again! Children are vulnerable and have no voice. A person who writes bad checks or steals from their employer often gets a stiffer sentence than a convicted pedophile! Teachers who have affairs with 12 and 13 year old students often do just a few years behind bars, and some do no time at all!
I think you made a wise decision. Family comes first. It was heartbreaking to read TJ and Jan’s letters. It is easy to get caught up and spend hours a day on a case looking for news when there is no news. It is good to get the word out about these missing children cases, but if we could all teach ourselves to only check for news or check our favorite blogs once or twice a day and only spend a half hour to an hour each time, our health and our families would be much better off.
I’ve been listening to the Sunday shows for a long time now. I enjoy the shows although I’ve never called in and I have never left a comment here before. I just wanted to say that I think TJ is making the right decision. You MUST put your health and your family first. Thank you for your dedication to this story. But all of you MUST take care of yourselves. Thanks for all you do to keep us informed. My heart is touched by these missing children.
Missy
Ditto Vaq.
TJ, you know that I wish you and Family Well, and we all know, you need to take care of your health.. We will miss you, but not forget everything you have done to help Find Haleigh..
Jan And Simon, Jan’s Health is so important, and I agree that she needs to take good care of Jan.. The story will not go away, it will still be there when the time of Healing has been taken. Jan you are so right, I feel in my heart that Haleigh is alive, but I have no idea how this case will resolve.. Will she return home a loving and happy child, or will this be a terrible sad story that breaks all of our hearts and then the determination to seek justice here too. Without your Health Jan, you cannot function the way I know both you and Simon want you too. And I can feel Simon’s fear from your wellbeing.. Please take care of yourselves, I know that all three of you have become important to we strange people out here, much like friends at a distance.. We do care, and we will be here if you need us..
Thank you all for your support. It isn’t easy to walk away and I don’t think I will ever be able to completely. I care too much for Haleigh and Caylee and all the other children that need us, to give up all the way.
I can’t say enough to TJ to let him know how much we appreciate him and to thank him for all he has done for us and Haleigh. I want him to know that we have always said his health was more important. We found a true friend in TJ and we would like to have him as our friend forever. Simon and I love ya TJ!
I too have made lots of friends on here as well and I do hope you all will continue reading here on BNN. You will still be welcome to share your comments on other articles that we might write on here too.
God Bless All of You!
Jan Barrett
Jan & Simon,
Your decision to not broadcast tomorrow is understandable. Perhaps there will be some new news on your next show.
TJ, I wish you only the best in your quest for better health, it’s a shame Haleigh’s case has taken such a toll on you.
Simon and Jan you have been my bible ever since Caylee,,TJ you became top of the ladder with Haleigh,,Thanks so much. I will miss everything,,Jan I will always read BNN.
Jan and Simon, I wish you all the best of health and to get rested up. But i am not sure where this is going. Are you and Simon gona keep covering the Haleigh Case? We will greatly miss TJ too. Be Well!!
TJ,
So relieved that you are not gravely ill, which was my concern yesterday after hearing you weren’t covering the case anymore! I think you are making a wise decision. I too was a workaholic for a long time, until one day I woke up to myself and realized that though I was successful in my career, my personal life had gone to hell. And life is far too short to let that happen. I hope you know how much your coverage of the case has meant to so many of us, and of course to Haleigh, and how much many of us will miss hearing from you every week! You’ve given us so much, and I sure appreciate what you’ve done. I do hope that one day you do write the story you have teased us with, but that you do it in a way that allows you to have a personal life, as well as a professional one. Good luck with all your future endeavours!
Jan & Simon,
I hope you know that we also appreciate all you’ve done. Your coverage has been amazing, your radio shows informative, and you’ve provided us all with the very best forum on the internet to discuss this case. You have attracted and kept the highest quality bloggers in this case and I feel like I am so lucky I found this site. I reiterate what I said above about balancing one’s professional and personal life, and fully understand why you need to back away. Jan, I hope and pray that you are able to get your health back on track and that your dreams of a positive outcome for Haleigh do come true.
And thank you to all my fellow bloggers, even those I disagree with. I blogged elsewhere before I came here, and can’t tell you how happy I was to find you all. This place really has the best people blogging at it. I wish we all lived in the same neighborhood and could have a get together to meet each other!hot eh s
Hi everyone… Between yesterday and today I read about this on twitter.. How disappointed I felt when i first read that TJ was leaving the story and than today with Jan’s health and the cancellation of Sunday’s show my disappointment doubled.. BUT.. I had to post just to let you ALL know that I think your wonderful people.. What you have sacrificed to keep us all up to date and aid in finding out the truth about what happened to Haleigh is truly outstanding. Unselfishly you all have put your families, friends,health, state of mind, and LIFE on the back burner for this beautiful little girl and for us, your listeners. You have all done more than could ever have been expected and for that you should be VERY PROUD! Your decisions are wise, its time to take care of yourselves. Thank you so much for all that you have done. I look forward to your next broadcast.. Many thoughts,thanks and prayers from Canada…
oops…sorry for the long post and please disregard the dribble after the word other.
Simon, Jan, and TJ–With your dedication to this case, you became Haleigh`s “voice”. By reading this website, many friendships were bonded. These bloggers have become a “family” of sorts. We all pray for the safe return of “our” precious child Haleigh. Your dedication has not gone unnoticed, because I believe there is a special place in Heaven for people like all of you. I hope you all find peace (and a good night`s sleep) and Haleigh, wherever you are, know that you are loved by the “special” people at BNN.
TJ..Jan and Simon..
All your dedication to the HaLeigh Ann Marie Cummings case has been so appreciated by so many. Thank you for all your great reporting and I’m sure you know how much you will be missed. This sad case has taken its toll on so many and I can only imagine how it has impacted your lives and your families lives. Take care and be well.
Tex
T.J.:
This story is going to come dribbling out for years to come. If you tell the story, we know you will be as truthful as humanly possible in what you write. Alot of other people will twist and turn and sensationalize (as if that is needed, LOL, in this case)for their own purposes. I suspect there will be a movie one day.
TJ - I have to admit I was a bit shaken by the news - both from concern for you and pure selfishness on my part (of course I’d rather you didn’t go!) - and it’s taken a while to compose myself and my thoughts.
But I want to let you know that you’re the real deal. A professional. You brought integrity and high standards to your reporting and stayed with it - always pursuing the truth. And somehow you didn’t get distracted or bogged down in the quagmire this has become. Few have worked so hard or sacrificed more.
As much as I’ll miss you, I am far happier knowing that you are doing the right thing - and (pray God) soon will be healthy, re-energized and have the time to truly enjoy your life, your work and your family.
You’ll always have my deepest admiration, respect and appreciation. Thank you and God Bless.
Jan, you are a very very special person. I hope you will take all the time you need to get better and regain your strength. In spite of all the hardships the one thing that has never weakened or waivered is your amazing strength of spirit. Your work - and your heart - have not only enlightened us but inspired us. You lit a torch that many of us will carry the rest of lives and hopefully will find ways to try to make at least a fraction of the difference that you have - and will - make in the lives of children who have suffered so much.
When you’re ready to return, we’ll be here for you and for them. Meanwhile, please take care of yourself FIRST. And know good wishes and prayers are sent every day.
Here’s my opinion…….,,BS. Thts BullShit!
The Real Armando said,in March 13th, 2010 at 8:02 pm Here’s my opinion…….,,BS. Thts BullShit!
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Armando, What is BullShit?
TJ Hart
Enjoy your family and Grand Daughter they grow up so fast. I can certainly understand and God Bless you and your family. You will be missed but you family is the most important people in you life.
What is BS?
How they can strip Haleigh away from everyone who gives a shit! Thts BS
soon it will b illegal to blog abt Haleigh or maybe if u have a sticker asking of her where abts u might end up with circumsances to pay for.
Maybe these comments will encriminate us…..
I agree with Tobias “This may all end here”
all th real main players on this case r gone for what ever reason’
TJ I Love ya man and I know where ur head is at today. But calmer heads provail brother. Plus your heart is unreal to many ppl who cannot except humilty, honesty, and bravery. You are a hero my friend, to Haleigh most of all but to to us your friends and to your family and your group of followers, we thank you, you are a true hero. U r Haleigh’s voice, and by screaming her name you have earned Haleighs heart. U r th man!!!
Simon and Jan
what can I say……Thank You…love you guys.
…..but th show will go on….nothing but…..Love!
Well its looking like WE all here are Haleighs voice. I am so upset today and I know others are too.
Yes, it is upsetting, c’mon people, think about this.
Anne
I know WE also represent Haleighs voice but I meant in th lines of recieving actual and factual information from those who really CARE. And
still do btw. TJ is one of th most humble
an apreciative persons I have met an I know
his heart WILL remain in th right place.
U r right we r all a voice. Now let’s scream!
TJ is gone from th case. Simon and Jan postponed th show.
You guys will take th torch and raise it high for Haleigh and remain pesemistic through all this BS. Keep screaming u r being heard. Promise!
Haleigh, ur justice will not be forgotten.
The Real Armando said,in March 13th, 2010 at 8:59 pm Anne
I know WE also represent Haleighs voice but I meant in th lines of recieving actual and factual information from those who really CARE. And
still do btw. TJ is one of th most humble
an apreciative persons I have met an I know
his heart WILL remain in th right place.
U r right we r all a voice. Now let’s scream!
TJ is gone from th case. Simon and Jan postponed th show.
You guys will take th torch and raise it high for Haleigh and remain pesemistic through all this BS. Keep screaming u r being heard. Promise!
Haleigh, ur justice will not be forgotten.
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Whos gona hear us now? I know without a showdow of a doubt that TJ is hunble and his heart is in the right place.I dont post here much anymore for all the bullshit from people. YES theres some great people on this blog imo and their hearts are for Haleigh ONLY and I am one of them.But I want justice for her NOW.IDK what i mean at this point ya know.
Where will we get the honest facts from now?
Sorry We Do Not Found Anything Match Your Search
lol - guess how I got that bloggernews.net message.
Anne
….yeah I know.
The Real Armando said,in March 13th, 2010 at 9:23 pm Anne
….yeah I know.
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Do we think we are gona get the facts and real news from Levi? I dont think so. I am livid right now.
AnnieTn….
I hear ya….I heard about TJ yesterday and was so sad. But there is a good side…TJ will get to spend precious time with his family, and Jan’s health will hopefully get better. 13 months is a long time…who would have thought?
Hang in there Annie! BTW, I’ve been missing your posts recently and glad to see you back!
AnneInTn said,in March 13th, 2010 at 9:08 pm Where will we get the honest facts from now?
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Yep, that is the big problem. With TJ out of the picture, we won’t be getting those anymore. But thanks to TJ, Jan & Simon, this site has attracted such intelligent people, who know and respect the difference between fact and gossip and speculation, so as long as we stick together, I’m sure this will still be the best place to blog about Haleigh.
me said,in March 13th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
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Yes its a big problem…But I have repsect for what others needs to do.jmo
Good night all. Pray for Haleigh
This is the first time I’ve ever posted but I wanted to let Jan, Simon and TJ know that I appreciate the sacrifice you’ve made to bring this story to the forefront. I’m sure Haleigh would thank you too, wherever she is. In all things there must be balance, I believe you will each finds yours now that you’ve recognized the lack thereof in your lives. I’ve read every blog you’ve written about Haleigh and I will stay here loyally awaiting your return. May God Bless you each.
Long time reader, admirer here. Thanks to TJ, Simon and Jan. Take care of yourselves as it can take a toll on your health, family and friends.
We will never give up on hope that Haleigh is found and this nightmare will end.
All of you will be sorely missed. Thank you all for insightful/thought provoking reading and reporting.
Tj, Jan, SImon,
So many have said it so well already….Take care of you…If you’re able to return of course we’ll all be waiting.
I had been experiencing much of the same thing this week. I had realized that my daily personal realtionships at home had been suffering and had found that time away had been theraputic. Less stress, more enojyment, more inner peace. Of course we still think about Haleigh constantly but the stress level is less.
We all want to help & find Haleigh but losing our own loved ones in the process would be tragic.
Take care & Love to you all!
HGM/Lesa
Yesterday was hard hearing TJ leaving the case and I can understand taking a break for BNN too. I too am effected with Haleigh and I’ve had to take time myself and find balance. It’s not easy, it’s spuratic and I know in the next month things will happen. Seems like we’re in a lull of LE checking out what Misty wrote home about the “Two”. This is a good time to take a break till the big news comes out and then we can all celebrate. This is one case that has touched a lot of people and gathered a lot together. Some from Caylee’s case transfered to Haleigh are here too. I personlly have found friends and I love BNN’s show. I am sad for today’s show but I’m not sad that we’re all here and will be here till the end. TJ I don’t know you but I do know you now and I have a fondness for you even though I’ve never layed eyes on you. Jan your heart is so big and I believe like you that Haleigh is out there and well there isn’t much we can do about that. Sigh… I feel like moving to Florida becoming a private eye myself and bringing Haleigh home. Wish I could. I love you guys all of you here, bloggers included. We are a family with all the usual characters I’ll be waiting…. I’ll still keep reading your stories TJ too and following you on twitter. But I won’t bug you cause I understand like I do for Bill. May God flood you and Jan with relief and good health. Be comforted that your loved and appreciated and held in the highest respect and fondness. ((Hugs)) Elizabeth
It’s really sad that Simon, Jan, TJ, Cobra and a few others care infinitely more about solving this than many of the major players in Haleigh’s life. I, too, became obsessed. I started with Caylee and then Haleigh. God Bless you all. Maybe a little quiet time will give us all some perspective.
I understand, but I’m very angry. Who is trying to silence everyone? Why? Guess the truth is so dirty and ugly that no one wants to tell it. TJ,JAN,-Protect those you love however you have to. You cannot be Superman and WonderWoman in the face of a power bigger than yourself. JMO
Hinky meter alert,
Do you really think it’s possible to silence those who only seek the truth? I don’t. I need to believe that the truth is this: TJ and Jan have made the concious decision to put their families and their health first…and thats it.
There is nothing to read into this decision, They aren’t afraid of anyone, and they aren’t giving up. They are just tired. The decision is a brave one and is necessary to maintain their phtsical and spiritual health. Though I am saddened, I am proud. Perhaps the day will come soon that they can return and report that HaLeigh has been found safe and unharmed. Until that day, My prayers will always include them. jmo
Hopefully when Cobra and Snodgrass go to trial on the 23 Cobra will get cleared and Snograss will be put in jail where he belongs. Cant wait to hear what is happening with that letter Misty sent and if it was sent before she went to jail or after, that was never said by AH. Misty may have sent it earlier because she may have thought it was safer than using a phone? And it could also all be lies to get the heat off of her, who knows.jmo
tobias! Hey, Did you hear for sure that the letter was written? I caught alittle poo yesterday cuz’ I mentioned the letter having been in the news, only I shouldn’t have said news…cuz’ it was on NG. I should have said, It was said on a news “show”! Anyway, Was it said by any other source than AH? just curious. I firmly believe the letter does exist…and I believe it implicates cousin joe and tommy…and thats why Hank Sr doesn’t believe it.
Good morning, I hope everyone is having a beautiful day. I havent posted in a while. TJ, Jan, Simon you all do such a wonderful job with leting us know what is going on with Haleigh. I can imagine it does take a toll on your own life and family. It is best to take a break from this, I know its hard to do so but you have to do what is best for yourself, family and your own life. Haleigh knows how much you do for her just likee we all do too. God put you all here for a reason and that reason is to speak for these little children that goes missing or are murder. You all do this just like we all come to reply you care.
It was hard for me to keep coming in here to see what was going on. I have my own thoughts and I cant imagine this little girl is still alive. I hope not but it doesnt look good since its over a year. I do believe these people are so selffish with the where abouts of Haleigh they only care about their own selves, still making this whole case about them. It seems like every time you turn around I wonder if LE was getting closed then boom this happens they Ron, Misty, her brother has to be in the center of attendation to make it all about them. These people are sick people they should come clean I belieave Misty is going to start talking she keeps saying its going to hurt two people.
I just watch nancy grace at 8pm even though I dont like her that much but I still go to see if there is anything on Haleigh or google to see any news. Its very sad. I know God doesnt like ugly and its coming back on them.
Thank you again Simon, Jan and TJ for all you have done by doing such an amazing job. I know how hard this is and how close you can get to these cases and how it takes a toll on your life. Remember We all love you guys and always here when you come back. May God bless you all and bring your health back into good health. May God be with you all,
Kateena
gatorgirl
I believe that if Nancy were to find out it wasnt true Art would be looking for a fox hole to hide in. Notice she hasnt had him on recently. Since she let it go on National TV I hope its true, and the fact that he said LE has a copy, if he says that and it isnt true he could face charges. jmo
Has anyone else noticed that Lindsy has never talked to Misty since the arrest? This shows there is a rift in the family. Someone needs to talk more to Lindsy, if she knows something that will get Tommy out she will talk. jmo
Misty hasnt even asked why Lindsy hasnt talked to her unless it has been redacted. Strange that its never brought up isnt it? jmo
One thing I do know is that I won’t be taking Art Harris’ word for gospel. He has shown that he will put anything out there just to be in the limelight. I believe Nancy Grace has figured that out about her “good buddy”. She acted totally disgusted with him the last time I watched. I don’t really care for her much anymore either. How can she keep saying “secret jailhouse tapes” when we all know they are being recorded, even the jailbirds. Can’t believe much she say’s either.
While I’m disappointed, I do understand. This is the only place that separates fact from gossip. I will continue to read BNN. There are some very interesting articles here. I’m sure if there is something of substance to be said about Haleigh, BNN will write about it. This has taken such a toll on Simon, Jan, Tj. Not to leave anyone else out, but these people are the ones that have lived this story day in and day out, along with Cobra. Now Cobra has seen a lot of things in his line of work. If it has taken this kind of toll on him, then it’s way too much for most of us to handle for sure.
I wish all of you nothing but the best. You all have a place in many of our hearts. We will continue to keep this blog up and running. You’ve worked too hard for us not to do that in return for all your dedication and everything you’ve done for us readers.
God Bless
I’m not sure if I should be posting this here or not, so please don’t anyone be upset. I’ve just had something on my mind. I know others have brought up the subject about why we haven’t heard any of Ron’s jailhouse conversations. I’m a little behind, so someone else may have brought this up. I’ve been thinking that maybe they want to wait so Ron can listen to all of Misty’s ramblings. Some of the things she say’s may not mean anything to us, but Ron knowing Misty the way he does, it may mean something to him. He may be able to put 2 & 2 together on something no one else has thought about. Or maybe he’s just realizing that she never talks about Haleigh. I’ve thrown many theory’s I’ve had out the window, so my mind’s not set on any one thing in particular right now. The only thing I truly believe is that their lifestyle has everything to do with Haleigh being gone. Whether it was a drug deal gone bad or if a SO had been watching and saw what an easy target Haleigh would be. It could be a number of different things. I don’t see them being big time drug dealers though. JMO
tobias, I too, thought it was odd that Lynsey hasn’t spoken to misty or asked about her…whats up with that? Could it be that Lynsey knows that misty has thrown tommy under the bus? I kind of got the impression that Lynsey barely wanted to talk to Tommy in his last “secretly recorded tapes” shhh it’s a secret! Also, he made a big deal about her not writing to him very much…of course when your trying to raise children whos father is in jail, who wants to write or has time? I hope she is coming to her senses about him.
On one of tommys last calls to lynsey, he mentions some guy named Brian. He said this guy came to see him. Does anyone know who this is? Later, I think on the last call to her, at the end of the call, she says that he just came to see her…I thought it was interesting and wanted to know if it had been discussed here or not. Who is Brian? Did I miss something or get the name wrong?? I think I’ll go back and listen again.
No, no, no, my pc is freezing up again. Please not now!
Thinking of a laptop as I can’t really afford anything else, but I know next to nothing about them.
I’m going to try & stay on for a while, I want to hear your thoughts. If I disappear, you know why. Lol
Okay, The guy I was thinking is named Bill, not Brian…He wanted Tommy to admit that he had drugs around the kids…he showed up at Lynseys at the end of the last call.He is with human services…Is that like child protection services? I wonder if that will be LEs next move…to pinch lynsey by taking the kids away…ouch.
stormgardener, I hope your puter hangs in there!
TJ, Jan, Simon all of you whom have covered these sad cases Bless you from the bottom of my heart! I too was so caught up in these cases ( it started with Caylee), that I have had so many MS relapses! Be well, wish we could change this mad , bad crazy world !
TJ Hart is officially off the Haleigh Cummings story until further notice due to health concerns. WSKY will still report the stories!
8:25 AM Mar 12th via web
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TJ, who is going to still report the stories on WSKY per your twitter?
Dylan, I had wondered that myself and have been concerned that they might not have the contacts or get the same answers TJ has been able to.
As per Lindsy’s not talking to Misty…I think that goes back to the B&E disclosure as well as the molestation allegations. L is pizzed @ M and it SHOWS! You can see & hear the distain in her voice when M is brought up in conversation. I feel L knows M is trying to convince LE that Tommy was involved in Haleigh’s disapearance.
I think it’s possible the “letter” is true. THat may be the reason for the lull lately, but I could be wrong.
hollysgma, I hope they investigate this letter and not assume it’s bull just because misty says it…It may very well be the truth the’ve been trying to pinch out of her since the beginning!
methinks… you here still
((((((((((((((MeThinks)))))))))))))
Come out, come out, wherever you are!!!
I think everyone’s taking a nap, trying to get that hour back. Lol, I think I’ll follow suit.
Hope to be back later.
nicoleinny : your post at 6:33 was a huge INSULT TO THE DEDICATED BLOGGERS ON THIS SITE.
When I came to this site, I was very impressed by how knowledgeable and serious they were. I have learned so much and each “Major Player” brings so much new info from one day to the next. They post almost every day… BECAUSE THEY CARE!!!
Those bloggers on this site you are referring to are not obsessed, they are COMPELLED.
They motivate and inspire the newer bloggers like myself to keep the word out there. I often have been asked why do I talk and care so much about these cases. It disgusts me that there are so many people who aren’t even AWARE of this case, or any others.
Just when I thought I was crazy, I found this site… It helps to know that there are amazing people who believe that hard work and dedication, no matter how big or small, CAN HELP.
I am so thankful for THEIR contributions to this site. They, the MAIN BLOGGERS, are the ones who keep this going.
Apparently, you are a reader on this site, so, I ask: who’s blogs are YOU READING?
PLEASE do not insult them.
So, not only are we appreciative of Simon,Jan, and T.J.; (and I love Cobra!!)but I just want to thank all of you on this site who work so hard. It’s so comforting to come here and see how wonderful and heartfelt you all are.
LFlorida said,in March 13th, 2010 at 9:08 pm Sorry We Do Not Found Anything Match Your Search
lol - guess how I got that bloggernews.net message.
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That’s pretty dark and ominous.
Hinky Meter Alert said,in March 14th, 2010 at 9:38 am I understand, but I’m very angry. Who is trying to silence everyone? Why? Guess the truth is so dirty and ugly that no one wants to tell it. TJ,JAN,-Protect those you love however you have to. You cannot be Superman and WonderWoman in the face of a power bigger than yourself. JMO
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Hmm. Correct me if I’m misunderstanding you–and I hope this thought offends no one, especially not Simon, TJ and Jan, who have been the best source of Haleigh info I’ve found–but, Hinky, I think you may be thinking something close to what needles at my mind a little. Is it possible that the truth is so close, now, that Simon, Jan and TJ have to pull back and let events happen without speculation or commentary? (Not that I doubt for a moment that family and health are vital and worthy reasons.)
I would imagine something is going on and they are preparing for the ((((bombshell)))) as well TC4C.
I am sure that the end is very near for those that thought they could ever pull this off.
WSKY will report the “Haleigh” stories and other missing children stories, but just not investigatively as I have.
Doug Clifford, John Boyer and Lisa Meadows will participate in gathering these stories as they would any other piece of news.
Sincerely,
TJ Hart
Why bother TJ, most will now forget her name within a week or two if she is not found or someone is charged before those weeks pass now without her name being broadcasted daily?
Thank you for the info TJ! Hope you are enjoying your Sunday!
TJ,,I completely understand but it’s just sad
I feel the parties involved are in jail except for a possible extra person and since they have not confessed or told who is responcible for Haleigh being gone, I hope the courts give them many years to regret not speaking up.
I know we all want some closure but I feel some justice is being served. If they would have been allowed to continue with their activities who knows who could have been hurt by these drugs. Its just a start for PSCO and I hope they continue to clean up their county for the ohter people who live there.
ALSO SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL MISTY THAT THE SIGN FROM GOD HAS OCCURED AND THATS WHY SHE IS WHERE SHE IS. REPENT MISTY AND CONFESS WHAT YOU KNOW. jmo
I predicted some time back that we will get an answer for Easter. I am still holding onto that hope. Please pray for closure and justice for Haleigh and all of her family. jmo
its taken me many hours to come up with an appropriate thank you to jan, simon and tj. as a lurker on all things haleigh, ONLY on this blog, i thank you for giving all you have. when i say that i mean, you gave yourselves, your health and your families. i will not go to another site because i have found them to be driven by anything but facts. bnn/wsky will always be the only place that truely cared about haleigh.
if this sudden withdrawal has anything to do with anything other than the stated reasons, then we bloggers/lurkers/concerned child advocates can only hope that the end is near.
no matter what, haleigh’s story will always be a part of all that have followed.
all the regular bloggers here, although i rarely make comments, i feel i know you all…hollysgma, ba cent, me, methinks, m2c (who graciously gave up her other posting nick), vaquera, boldone and even oj’s glove..over the past year i have laughed, cried and shook my head in disbelief!
i dont know where i will go to get my info on haleigh anymore…im registered in forums and if anyone has suggestions, please let me know.
this case isnt over; haleigh’s not home…there is not yet justice or closure.
sorry for the long post…peace out.
tobias @ 5:43pm
You said, “I feel the parties involved are in jail except for a possible extra person”
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As long as people believe that, there is no incentive or pressure for LE to really SOLVE the mystery of Haleigh’s disappearance. That is what I have feared since the drug arrests. Maybe that’s exactly what LE wants us to think to get us off their backs.
LE may or may not have the person who is responsible in jail right now. We DO NOT KNOW!
There is NOTHING to prevent the rest of us from continuing to pressure LE into resolving the case and finding out what really happened to Haleigh. We can do that in a number of ways IF we want to.
Anyone here who really wants the truth will continue to “make noises,” write PCSO, FDLE, the Fl AG, and everyone else we can think of to keep at it. It IS THEIR job to find Haleigh or find out what happened to her and we won’t rest until they have done so. That’s what we have to keep telling them. At least those of us who are NOT satisfied and who really want the TRUTH!
I hope no one takes offense, but I think I can speak for most of us here. None of us are going to forget about Haleigh! Not in a week, two weeks or 2 years. Most likely never. We have grown to love a little girl we’ve never met. I don’t post as much as a lot of you, but I’ve been here from the beginning. Even my family feels that I’ve become too involved emotionally. I can’t help it. I’m so bothered by this. I hope and pray Haleigh is alive and well somewhere and is being cared for, but my heart is telling me different. I’m sorry, it’s just my feeling and I do hope I’m wrong.
No one has said they will never report on Haleigh again. No one could keep this up 24/7 and still be able to function in their daily lives. It’s just too much. Although we’ve all been affected, we haven’t had to live it like Simon, Jan, TJ & Denny & Cobra.
Simon & Jan are always asking for new writers. If anyone has factual information I’m sure they would have no problem giving permission to write an article. Also we have the forum they so kindly provided for us.
Let’s please keep this a friendly place to blog. We are very unique from the other sites. I would hate to see anyone bashed for doing what they need to do. Everyone here is very compassionate about this case and most have hearts of gold from what I’ve seen.
aw stormgardner thats so sweet
We’ve heard mention of “our friend in St. Augustine (St. Johns County?)” before. I wonder if that person will still be involved and have access to revealing audio like the recent releases?
Thanks Pinky, Lol, I didn’t mean to get on my soapbox and write a novel. It’s true though. I’ve visited other sites just a couple times and there is no comparison. I wouldn’t even have known about them if others hadn’t mentioned them. Of course my curiosity got the best of me and I had to check it out. Didn’t see a thing I cared to read. Mostly a bunch of gossip with nothing to back it up.
I’ve spent way too much time online today. Still have things to do. It’s back to work in the morning. I know I’m going to want my extra hour back then. UGH! 6:00 comes early.
Have a great evening all. Try to behave. Lol
Simon and Jan WILL CONTINUE to write about missing children AND Haleigh - as the news comes in!
Simon said in the article above:
“It is my intention to continue reporting on this story..” (meaning Haleigh)
Jan said in the article above:
“. . .it is time to back away for a few days.”
And
“. . .we can’t make up news” (when there isn’t any)
AND
“I will continue writing about missing children as I see them coming in..”
AND
“I will still listen for any break in her case and if something comes up I will report it but I have to stop the 24/7 coverage.”
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To me that is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But when new developments are not poppin’ 24/7 it is unnecessary to have 24/7 coverage (IMO. We can still count on them to bring us the news. We can still discuss the case.
Is it true that George A… had a mistress!?
Where do you think Simon and Jan got their investigated information from? No TJ to be on the ground and finding the truth.
I am sorry if I have sounded harsh and selfish,but, it is times like these that you gather your streagnth and see things through. Nothing is ever easy!
I am aware that Simon and Jan will continue to report news when it breaks or becomes available. My problem is who to trust any more with the release of new information. Many do not adhear to the standards TJ did or have the drive to find the facts and report only the facts.
I understand that TJ was acitvely investigating and a trusted source. A rare combination. But when news happens, the regular news agencies (at least local ones) including Skye I’m sure, will report on it.
And so will Simon and Jan and we can discuss it.
I agree there is no other “investigative journalist” (even if someone chooses to call themselves that) that I know of who will do what TJ did or that we can trust.
We’ll have to make do with the major, local news outlets. We can pressure them to follow up and pressure LE to keep working the case.
M2C, I am glad everyone plans on staying involved. I just wonder how we are going to get the great information that TJ provided?
I was hoping another investigative reporter would be filling in for TJ. But it seems there is only going to be regular reporting from now on. I feel like we have lost our only true connection for information. I know TJ needs a break and hope he gets rest and gets his life back on track. I just hope there is closure and a resolution to this case. All of us want and need Haleigh found. jmo
Thank you all, for your continued commitment to find HaLeigh. I am at least thankfull that we are all wise to the smoke and mirrors and are more cautious with what we deem as reliable sources.
Night y’all
See ya tomorrow.
m2c there is much wisdom in your post at 5:54. Keeping an open mind could keep some from having so much crow to eat. It’s not over until the fat lady sings and I hear a hum in the air.
Stormgardner at 5:55, you are so right many of us are not going to forget Haleigh ever.
BACent, hi friend, hope you are feeling better.
Treece, I have a lot of respect for you so please don’t take me wrong when I ask this: Who will eat crow? Sorry, but this makes it sound like we are all participating in some kind of macabre contest.
I have my theory of what happened and I hope and pray that I am wrong. And if I am wrong, I will not eat crow, I will rejoice!
Is anyone listening to Levi’s ? he is claiming that Misty wrote a detailed letter to tell what happened the night Haleigh went missing.I don’t no if he is creatable but I’m going to listen
Hello my cruel world……., if life is th door and Love is the key…then open up!
…the show will go on! Let’s take a few minutes to reflect on our own lives and thank god everyday for keeping our loved ones near.
….damn I’m lucky.
Cathartic, I am not talking about anyone that has stated they have a theory or idea. My own opinions on a number of things have changed from time to time. There are part of my opinions that I pray are correct and others I hope I am wrong on. The eating crow remark was directed to the few that have dogmatically badgered certain parties repeating false allegations as though they were facts. But no I wasn’t directing that to you at all. Thanks for asking if it wasn’t clear and giving me a chance to explain.
ON Levi’s show Leonard Padilla is actually trying to convince them that Jose Bozo is a good guy. Levi, finally cut him off.
TY treece! I have to say, the way I read it did not sound like something that would come from you so thanks for clearing it up for me.
If we ever get the answer to to what happened to Haleigh, we will ALL cry or we will ALL rejoice.
I have not eliminated anyone or any theory yet. My suspicions lie where they do because of the behaviors of some family members so soon after Haleigh’s disappearance. That is just not something that can be ignored, imo.
It’s not just Ron and Misty that should have been hounding LE. All Haleigh’s family, and everyone in the community should have been in LE’s face. It just seems that no one has demanded anything of them, and that is something I just can’t wrap my mind around.
OOPS, sorry that was posted in the wrong thread. That’s what I get for multi-tasking.
Haleigh’s new flyer for St. Patricks day http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/Dreamfinder1997/?action=view¤t=HaleighsStPatrickDay.jpg
Just finnished it thought I’d share :*)
m2c♥ said,in March 14th, 2010 at 5:54 pm tobias @ 5:43pm
You said, “I feel the parties involved are in jail except for a possible extra person”
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As long as people believe that, there is no incentive or pressure for LE to really SOLVE the mystery of Haleigh’s disappearance. That is what I have feared since the drug arrests. Maybe that’s exactly what LE wants us to think to get us off their backs.
LE may or may not have the person who is responsible in jail right now. We DO NOT KNOW!
There is NOTHING to prevent the rest of us from continuing to pressure LE into resolving the case and finding out what really happened to Haleigh. We can do that in a number of ways IF we want to.
Anyone here who really wants the truth will continue to “make noises,” write PCSO, FDLE, the Fl AG, and everyone else we can think of to keep at it. It IS THEIR job to find Haleigh or find out what happened to her and we won’t rest until they have done so. That’s what we have to keep telling them. At least those of us who are NOT satisfied and who really want the TRUTH!
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IMO, An excellent post m2c, thank you, those are exactly my thoughts also.
LE have stated that this ‘drug sting’ is NOT Haleigh related, which begs me to ask of LE….”How is the investigation going? How close are you (LE) to finding the truth and finding Haleigh?”.
13 months with 95% of the answers, chit, the lottery has better odds than PCSO.
HollyGMom
….God bless you. I hope all is well.
Jan,i do hope you take time to rest.An get your health back to where it needs to be.An i do understand.I have followed this case from the beginning.An it most deffently will make you sick.I have sat up ,an cried a many night over precious Haliegh.Searching the net for anything to do with this case.An i found you,an Simon.This site has been a blessing.I truly thank you both for all you have done.To get the reports out to us.Rest Dear Jan.I will be praying for you.An i do hope your health get better.My Blood pressure stays high when i get upset over whats happening to these little ones.So you have been much closer to everything in this case.an i know it has effected you much.
TJ Thank you so much for caring enough for Haliegh.To spend all the hrs you have getting in there,to find anwsers,an report what you have found out.I havent posted much,but i have always been listening,reading.An seeking the truth.It will be a great loss to us.But i understand how this could effect you,your health,an the lack of being with your family.Its time to rest.I do hope you will one day put all you know,an have seen on paper.It surly would be something i would love to read.God Bless you.
Cobra.now you truly are something .Fearless,like a lion. The dark places you have went to find out anything about Haliegh.Has took much courage.An i for one thank you from my the deepest place in my heart. I wish you the very best.I to have been in many places like you went to.So i understand the danger you placed your self in for anwsers.Im sorry to hear about how you have been treated.The arrest,your job neing in jeapordy.Its a shame when you try to help,an this is your reward.I wish the best for you.An do hope all gets cleared up.Take care of yourself.I will be praying for you.thats just not words,I mean it,i will pray for you.May God bless all you go to do.
To all the bloggers.Thank you for taking time from your lives to care about Haliegh.You all have worked so hard.Trying to figure out what happened to this child.Even when the feathers got ruffled.you kept pushing for anwsers.I think your a fine crowd.An maybe soon it will all come out.An Haliegh will be found.I pray alive. God bless all of you.Keep pushing.untill the truth is found out.
Please over look my spelling.I sit in a dark area,in my house,an dont see my key pad so easy.An some words i just cant remember how to spell.Im rather sick,an it effects my memory sometimes.I will betreated starting soon,an praying i go into remission.
Dear T.J., Simon & Jan,
Yes, we all need time to spend time with our families and keep in good health. Yet Haleigh as well as any other missing child deserve the loudest voices to continue at full volume. My better half is a former prosecutor and now in private practice family law & I can assure you it ways heavy on the family. However, I couldn’t sleep at night knowing he throw in the towel on behalf of little demands from others. TJ your employer should allow you time off to spend with your children & grand children. Would you expect any less if it were your children missing.
Pull yourselves up by your boot straps…..take a breather & get back into the trenches of justice for the kiddo’s that have no voice.
I’m wide awake right now worried about pending cases….but I won’t throw in the towel….
Trust me you won’t sleep any better sitting idle knowing Haleigh is out there somewhere waiting to be found….
God Bless All of You….He will give you the strength to endure…This is your mission in life…
Jan 57,
Don’t worry about your spelling…we all make typos! I sure hope you are feeling better and in remission very soon. Bless you for taking the time to care about Haleigh at such a touch time in your own life.
oops…see, I make typos too…meant “tough time” not “touch time”!
Hey everyone I didn’t know if you all got to listen to Levi Page talk show but he had this guy that let Misty move in with his family when her an Ron divorced ..
Here is the link
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/02/13/fugitive-fridays
I posted a response on art harris`s blog under the misty letter story. He responded to it at the end of the comment section. Can someone read it and tell me what child molester he is talking about? Maybe one of you know since some of you are more informed than I. I posted under “robin”.
thank you so much for your efforts, and God bless.
Robin,
That guy and his site annoy me so much…I peeked over there earlier today, and if I’m not wrong I read the post/reply you were referrring to and it annoyed me to no end! The way I read it was he was saying that Crystal is only using drugs because some of the bloggers Marie & Crystal recruited for their anti-Ron internet campaign have given them a headache. One of the very pro-Crystal/anti-Ron bloggers who had his own site, and based on what Art said appeared to have been buddy buddy with marie, turned out to be a convicted child molester. So, according to AH, that’s why Crystal has a drug problem. He must still be on their payroll. He keeps saying over and over that LE have cleared her and her whole family a long time ago…not only have LE not said that, but if what TJ has told us re Chad being questioned again recently by LE is true (and he says LE wouldn’t confirm or deny that), they, or at least one or some of them, are far from being cleared. That man is so dishonest. I miss TJ already!
me–Thanks. I knew someone here would know who he was talking. And it is definately apparent that he is pro-Crystal.
Yes, Robin he sure is.
I just noticed too that he got another “fact” wrong when he says down the bottom of his comments that Lisa hasn’t been convicted of any of her charges. The Putnam County Court records clearly show she has been convicted of stealing the cheques from her neighbor, and she’s been put on probation, has to undergo drug testing, and has to do community service.
He freaks out if anyone even suggests Crystal, Chad, Marie or anyone on that side of the family might have something to do with it.
KP basically said she was using him as her PR/Media guy (or something like that).
That’s why I like it here so much. So many of us have differing views and opinions and discuss them. On other sites, you are only allowed one view. His is one of those sites.
robin. you said at 6:04 am “…it is definately apparent that he is pro-Crystal.”
(meaning AH)
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Judging from all aspects of AH’s involvement in this case, as far as I’m concerned AH might as well have bought his two Emmys on ebay or at a yard sale. And if he’s SO hard up for money maybe he should sell them that way, too.
By “hard up for money” I mean being hired by Cobra to videotape him? Being hired by KP to be a spokesperson (PR) for bio-mom’s side? And to continue that even now? AND to pretend that he’s any kind of “objective” reporter - which is what we assume when we hear the word “reporter.” And to pretend to be that (an objective reporter) on the NG show is just plain lying/sickening.
Even NG should know that by now and kick him to the curb.
Personally I don’t care what the truth is but that is ALL I want to hear. NOT slanted opinionated carp and definitely NOT from someone pretending to be a reporter/journalist of any kind.
Goodmorning m2c. How are you doing?
Anyone here?
Jan / Simon - God Bless both of you. You’ve certainly earned the right to step back from these cases! My thoughts and prayers are with you and I’m eternally grateful for all you’ve done for these missing and murdered children.
Now that it has come out that there is an alleged letter written by Misty to her family member that outlines her “latest” version of what happened that night might there be new charges pending against her?
It’s very evident that the only consistant in Misty’s story/stories is her inconsistancies. It seems very indicative of a person who is lying. Possibly done in an attempt to cover up what truly happened.
If Misty is concerned about herself at all then now would most definately be the time to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
jvmho
Tuff I agree with you. I also wonder if there will be new charges brought against Misty. I guess it all depends if anything she said can be corroborrated.
I heard that Cousin Joe has lawyered up according to the Levi Page show. If Haleigh passed that night I still believe it was due to an accident.
All your hard work is appreciated. Thank you for caring and sharing. Blessings!
If her latest version is false then charges can be applied to her already long list of charges imo.
For as much tax dollars that has already been spent on this investigation I believe that we will see a very stern issuance of accountability for anyone who would attempt to manipulate the system for any reason by knowingly and willingly give out false accounts. (Especially when and if the accounts are being given to close family members via hand written letters.)
Could you imagine what the fall out would be for the person or persons who would do that, especially in this situation at this time?
What is this about a letter with the latest version? Was this in a jail video? Would her attorney let her send something like that out? Doesn’t LE read all mail?
Misty KNOWS what happened that night. That is the only logical explanation for the constant changes in her story and YES I know OJ’s Glove will not be happy about that statement but that is how I feel.
The fact that Cuz Joe has lawyered up (according to Levi Page) is highly suspicious too. So perhaps the two people Misty was talking about were actually Tommy and Cuz Joe? Hmmmmm….are we about to see a break in this case?
Tuff….if they catch Misty pointing the finger at the wrong people and catch her in lies I think they OUGHT to throw the book at her. Enough of the games already. If you know what happened…SPILL IT!
Sorry - slightly off-topic… remember the issue of People Magazine last fall featuring some recently missing children/young adults?
I think we discussed it back then so this has probably been answered already, but why was Haleigh excluded from that story?
I would like to see such national publications feature these sorts of stories more often. It seems so much more important than what Suri Cruise is wearing or who Jen Aniston is dating, et cetera. Some of those magazines, that’s what they’re all about, which is fine. But People, Newsweek, Time, etc? This is such an important issue — why don’t these publications seem to think so?
It boggles my mind that this isn’t a bigger deal to people.
thewoodlanddark….I think “People” is more directed towards celebrity stuff. I mean, they do have some other stories but even those are about well known people and their scandals. I’m in no way defending these magazines but their readership picks up those magazines to read about fashion, gosspip and to learn more about their favorite celebs. Now Newsweek, Time, etc……I agree they could do more stories on these missing children! They are, afterall, all about the “news”. As many people as there are following this case and the cases of other missing children, they just might pick up some new readers!
I’m all for getting the word out there any way possible so I would encourage ANY media outlet to give these missing and endangered children a voice. TELL THEIR STORY! Get their faces out there! Help us find these little angels!
Art and Levi were wrong about the calls from Ron. The last ones were from Putnam. He said in one to GGMSykes that they would allow him to have his chains now. And she said they still wouldnt. Also he talks about how much he likes it better in Putnam and that none of Hopes boyfriends are there. I would like to know why the sun shine laws arent shining on Ron? jmo
JB you are right. Misty needs to just spill it! I believe Misty is pointing the finger at Tommy and cousin Joe. I think she is telling a half -truth. I believe she is trying to come up with a plausible story to get out of jail.
I agree if she is playing another game She needs to have the book thrown at her. Misty needs to realize ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! TELL WHERE HALEIGH IS!!
Tobias - I’m curious as well as to why we aren’t hearing from Ron. Surely someone is visiting him and I know some media outlet has GOT to be requesting those tapes. Is LE redacting the entire tape of all of Ron’s conversations? If so, why? Are they afraid he’ll send Misty a message in them? Do they feel Misty is now “talking” and they don’t want him to do anything to shut her up? I don’t know what is going on or why we aren’t hearing from him!
LFJ - I’ve got whiplash from Misty. One minute she “knows nuthin’” and the next minute she’s telling all! What kind of game is she playing? I’m surprised her attorney hasn’t quit because she just won’t shut up!
JB,
I believe income mail is searched, scanned, and possibly read, unless it comes from an attorney or a government agency. I am not sure outgoing mail is processed the same way. Being the person is in custody and has been searched it would not be likely they see a need to process outgoing mail. Privacy laws would probably prohibit outgoing mail being read. JMO, because I’m not really sure.
Sorry for the repeat, I saw an error and tried to correct, but too late.
Tobias you are right. I caught that to about the calls from putnam of Rons. JB has a good point that maybe they don’t want Ron sending any messages to Misty by the way of media.
For all we know Misty may be pointing the finger elsewhere. This could all be a ruse to what she is really saying.
To me something happened in that MH. The sheets were washed and dried and put back on the beds for a reason. I am curious whether Misty had on the same clothes when she was last seen by GGM Sykes or anyone else that day or wether she had changed her clothes and thrown away the others. These little things mean a lot. Remember LE took both Ron and Mistys clothes that they had on.
I am still not sure I believe that GGM Sykes was there at all, Misty makes no statement on her voice stress test about her coming over but talks about everything else. Why is that? And GGM Sykes waited several days before making that known and she had a relative to back up her visit(a relative). jmo
JB some have implied that it’s possible that Ron is really in on the investigation. The tattoo Misty has speaks otherwise as does the fact that he alerted Misty about DB, but too Ron denies that he told Misty to get that tattoo. If Ron is somehow in on the investigation he sure has managed to fool Misty, which could very well be the case.
I know for a fact that I would do whatever I possibly could, even lie through my teeth if necessary, to find my Child if I were the Parent of a missing Child.
Even if Ron is not in on the investigation and even if that is all bogus, Ron’s actions still deflect accountability towards Misty. Everything points towards Misty as LE has stated that Misty holds the key.
As I stated before, if Misty cares about herself at all then now would be the time for her to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I recall a video where Tommy said to Lindsey, “I wish I hadn’t gone out that night.” And then Lindsey replies, “I told you not to go.”
I still wonder what night they were talking about.
Tuff…I don’t know if Ron is in on the investigation or not. Sometimes I believe it is possible and other times I just seem him as a user and a manipulator and I think he could very well know what happened that night. I just wish we knew what LE had. If I thought that LE was about to crack this case I could reach down deep and find some patience. But I can’t tell if they are grasping at straws or are onto something! VERY frustrating to us armchair detective types! LOL
Cathartic - 11:03 Post - was that about the day he was arrested for the drug trafficking maybe? Or do you believe they are speaking about the night Haleigh disappeared?
It was the night Misty asked Tommy to help her find drugs for the UC and all the Croslins kept trying to tell Misty not to trust him. She even later makes refrence on one of the tapes about their distrust. I wonder why we havent seen Tommys tape in the drug sting? jmo
Tobias - good question…not sure why we haven’t seen Tommy’s tape. There has to be a reason for the things LE is holding back and the things they are making available….but I sure can’t make heads or tails of it all!
MELINDA SUE SANTMYER
CRESCENT CITY, FL
Booking Date & Time: 3/13/2010 6:28:18 AM - Booking#: 10-01103
Release Date & Time: 3/13/2010 8:45:00 PM
DOB: 7/17/1987 - RACE: W - SEX: F
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
812.014-2c6 VEH THEFT GRAND 3RD DEGREE F T $1,504.00 3/13/2010 8:42:54 PM
This is Mistys buddy that she got beat up with buying drugs hmmmm. jmo
Tobias…WOW…can ANY of these people stay out of jail? She stole a car? Good Grief! Maybe she missed Misty and wanted to go see her! LOL But looks like she bonded out. Where do these people get all the money to post bond, pay fines, pay attorneys, etc???? None of them ever seem to work but they manage to pay all their legal fees and bond out!
I wonder if LE questioned her as to Mistys where abouts? Notice this arrest was on the 13th. Friday. She is also from Crecent City.
Makes you wonder if Misty stopped in to visit on her wild weekend since she was there with NayNay and WBG (mexicans too). hmmm. jmo
OMG! THEY ARE ALL GUILTY— all the “key players, anyhow.” I was on a long drive with my mom yesterday. She’s a good listener and I was telling her all about HaLeigh’s situation. She asked good questions and had good ideas and it all summed up to realizing that pretty much every last one of them could have played some role. It’s all been so confusing because they all do have motive, means and opportunity.
The mastermind is Johnny/Marty Sheffield. It’s not such a matter of being smart as it is “delegating.” Mostly what he had to do was “put bugs in a lot of ears.” He didn’t directly tell this person or that person to do x, y, or z. He suggested, with a wink and a nod or a stronger bribe, that this person or that person get this or that accomplished. It’s better if each person involved knows as little as possible.
I am trying so hard not to bore you with all the details that my mom and I were able to work out. And it’s great because I don’t need to. You all know so much and think so well that you can fill in the details if you want to.
The ones who might have needed bribes or payoffs are Tommy and Joe. And we all know they’d do anything for a high. Joe stole the gun and hid it, “just in case,” If things got out of hand at the MH nobody could use it.
Tommy did go to the MH that night. If Misty was home, she lets him in; if she wasn’t, or she really was sleeping (doubtful), Tommy has lifted a key and still doesn’t need to break in to get in. Sarah Sheffield, Crystal’s younger sister, is with him. She takes Haleigh. If Haleigh was awake or if she wakes up, she is comfortable with her auntie.
Then they take Haleigh all around (in the blue van, of course) so that her scent is everywhere. Then Chad and maybe, probably, Sarah spend the night driving her wherever. (“Georgia, Alabama, I just keep thinking…” Oh, that psychic Marie.) Marie, who has been in charge of arranging for someone to keep Haleigh and Marie keeps tabs on her whereabouts and health.
Ronald acts guilty because he is. He’d like Crystal to take her turn with the kids so that he can have some freedom. And he won’t have to pay the first $11,000 in child support! He nails tight his alibi by working his shift, constantly phoning Misty’s cell phone, and stopping at the convenience store on his way home from work to get his face on surveillance tape. (He loves to smile for the camera ).
But he cries like a baby! And he does. It was heart-wrenching. He could be a good actor; he could be realizing that, “it seemed like a good idea at the time.” But now that it is happening, ouch!
As for Crystal, she doesn’t really want her turn— everybody else just wants her to take it! She works against everyone by keeping those drug tests dirty . Chad doesn’t necessarily want more kids but it beats the big bill that will be his if he marries Crystal— or even just lives with her and they are married by common law.
Why just Haleigh? Maybe because two missing children would draw more public and media attention; maybe because it would be hard to get custody of a pair of missing children. Why doesn’t Ronald just hand the kids over to Crystal? See above…
Whew, who knew it would be so complicated just to get Crystal off the couch!!
Oh, the PSCO, can’t forget them! Maybe Crayon Boy is right and they can’t arrest anyone because they are dirty and they would be exposed. I have been impressed by the PSCO and prefer to believe that they had this all figured out relatively early, that’s why the called off the searches so soon. But they can’t get enough evidence to build a solid case, which is why Misty holds the key!!!!!!!! They need her as an eyewitness and then the rest will fall like dominoes.
So of course, here we are, at the end, with Misty. She is the person that I am least convinced knew about this from the start. Of course, she knows now, and she knew when she took that TES lie detector test. But from the get go? Probably smart not to tell her because the way she runs her mouth… which reminds me, one person did have to be threatened to be quiet, “When someone puts a gun in your mouth and tells you not to talk…” Any bets as to who put that gun in her mouth? My money is on Ron.
Sorry I got so carried away writing this when I promised to keep it short. My apologies. I’m pretty sure that I can keep it short from here on in. At least I’ll try really, really hard. Because I sure don’t want a gun to my fingers .
Simon, Jan, and TJ, Sorry to hear how this case has affected you. You all seem to have made a decision that will give you some relief for a while. When anything starts affecting one’s family then there is definitely a need for change.
Having followed this case from the beginning I have also seen and felt the frustration and weight it can bring on someone. I have been involved since the beginning. I for one, think the beginning wasn’t that Tuesday morning. At approximately 10:30PM on that Sunday night before HaLeigh went missing there was a commotion, a very loud one coming from where the Croslin’s were residing. Their neighbor’s had to of heard and quite possibly saw what was going on. The way the dogs were barking and for as long as they barked they had to of drawn attention from the neighbors. Something went down that Sunday night. Was it Ron and Joe getting into it? Was it Ron and Timmy and Tommy getting into it because of Misty? The commotion that Sunday night, then the loud vehicle that entered the community next door certainly wasn’t a coincidence.
Hi nunz, do you by chance know where I can find the account of the Sunday evening commotion at the Croslins? It’s a hard one to google.
I seriously doubt anything can be found about that night by googling. Since the Croslin’s have moved maybe one of their neighbors would be willing to tell LE if they in fact heard or saw something that Sunday night. It’s been over a year now and even I say to myself, “was that Sunday night or Saturday night?” This one time where time is on someone’s side, unfortunately it’s on Ron and Misty’s.
Found it, I think. That was the fight with cousin Joe over the gun? Yes, it was definitely part of it. They needed to get the gun out of the house because they knew the police were going to search/they wanted to set Cuz Joe up as a fall guy/probably some more reasons.
Ronald was in on “arranging Haleigh’s disappearance.” So was Crystal and her family. They take Haleigh and have somebody far, far away take care of her. Crystal gets custody of Jr. Haleigh is “dropped off at a McDonald’s somewhere” and custody naturally goes to Crystal.
Ron can be child free for at least several years and Crystal can “work off” her enormous child support bill.
ANY ONE OUT THERE?
hi tobias
I wondered where everyone went. Are we waiting until more news comes out? I hope they havent given up? Surely not, I just came to check what was being talked about but didnt notice any of the bloggers. jmo
It’s nice enough to be outside today so maybe many are. I was for a while.
No news. I wonder if this is as far as this case will go. Hopefully not but if it is, maybe someone will have a glimmer of conscience one day and tell what they know.
tobias and cathartic, no way is this as far as the case will go. It’s winding down and is almost over. Keep the faith.
The two people Misty hurt when she talked are definitely Tommy and either Joe or Hope. (I can’t figure out how Hope is involved but I do wonder why they set her bond as high as the others so I tend to think she is.)
Now that Misty has talked the ball is rolling and LE can build strong enough cases to make the final arrests.
They’re all guilty, both Crystal and Ron and their families, but each one of only a little piece. LE had this figured out early on. That’s why the searches were called off so soon. They just couldn’t make strong enough cases to make the arrests.
Kate - I’m hopeful you are right but I’m just seeing this giant conspiracy you are speaking of….Ron and Crystal working together to make Haleigh go missing, etc……I just can’t wrap my mind around it nor can I make all the pieces fit with this theory. Sorry. Just can’t.
*I’m just NOT seeing this….”
Just caught some info that needs someone with exprtise to check on please. Was Robert Fields representing Snodgrass at one time? can someone like HGM please check on this? jmo
JB..you are not alone!
Standing in the shadows again as I have been since Fri night…
Kate, if I am reading you correctly, Ronald Cummings was not willing to exchange custody through the courts, but was willing to hand his child over to a cohort of JS, a person he openly despised.
I do not understand why Ronald would solve his custody problems in such a round-about manner. It would have been so easy to accomplish a custody change in about 20 minutes in a family court commissioner’s office.
Isaw on another site that R. Fields was once representing a sexual offender who abused two girls but backed out of the case. It sure sounds like Snodgrass to me, can someone who knows how to check dockets look into it please please with sugar on top? jmo
Tobias, in what county and when?
the answer is - an unknown person took haleigh PEROID. Misty is not the “key”, she is the patsy for Law Enforcement’s blunders and incompetent investigation. LE charges Misty and her posse with “trafficing” for a few lousy pills?, give me a brake…way way overcharged, probably “entrapment” too which means the charges could be dropped altogether.
Snograss is in Putnam county, he is going to trial on the 23 of March. I dont know for sure but it could be Fields may have been representing him at one time. jmo
Daniel Snodgrass. Putnam county March 23. I have to check to see when he was arrested in the beginning bbl.
DANIEL E SNODGRASS
Satsuma , FL
Booking Date & Time: 12/19/2007 10:53:30 PM - Booking#: 07-05549
Release Date & Time: 4/14/2008 4:57:28 PM
DOB: 11/15/1953 - RACE: W - SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
794.011-2 SEXUAL BATTERY (CHILD UNDER 12) F C $70,004.00 4/14/2008 4:53:10 PM
800.047C-1 LEWD / LASCIVIOUS EXHIBITION(BY PERSON<18) F 3 $0.00 4/14/2008 4:52:45 PM
Found it hope someone can check past dockets.
Entrapment Oj’s Glove? I highly question that thinking as well after watching the video tapes of the under cover sting operation. Looks like they got all of them clearly and cleanly imvho.
LE set’s up sting operations all the time for other things also such as prositition.
Now correct me if I am wrong but,
If the “John’s” weren’t out “agreeing” to participate in “illegal activities” then there would be nothing to arrest them for correct?
If a “John” drives up to one of the undercover officers who are posing as a prostitute or even if the undercover officer walks up and asks if that is what the “John” wants or is there for they are not entrapping anyone. No one is forcing the “John” to respond yea or nay.
The “John” could just have simply said no, not interested. Period. No if’s ands or buts about it imvho.
That is where I have a huge difference of opinion with you also on that aspect of things.
Hey everyone! I just thought I’d stop in and see how my detective partners are doing…holding down the fort, so to speak. I got roped into caring for an elderly neighbor for a few days ( I don’t mind, he’s great!) so I won’t be back till later this evening…but I’ll check back with y’all to see what you’ve discovered. Maybe HaLeigh will behome by then! What a wonderful thought!
Just checked the dockets for Sodgrass and he had a public defender (not named) until recently then he was released for a conflict manager. Whatever that is? How can we find out who the public defender was? jmo
JB, are there any specific pieces that don’t fit for you? Or is it just that, “something about this isn’t right,” feeling about the idea. Because believe you me, that feeling is what got me so hooked on this situation!!!
About the giant conspiracy, that was my first reaction to an idea like this. Riiggghhhhtttt, they all sat down for dinner and worked this out with power point slides and org charts.
When I came around was when I remembered a radio show I’d heard. It was a book author being interviewed. She’d written a book about her experiences of being stalked by her ex. he was making her life he**, really nasty stuff, but she was never able to get him arrested, much less convicted. She explained that, “People who do these kinds of things vaguely explain to one person what needs to be done and then that person passes it along and the person who actually does it is a couple of steps removed from the person who wanted it done.” I’ve since learned that this is how organized crime operates, as well as terrorist groups. The network has to be kept loose and cryptic so that nobody knows too much and the threads are tangled and hard to follow.
Sound familiar? Organized crime? Johnny/Marty Sheffield?
The oly thing about the sting. If I am an objective judge that sees drug charges on a daily basis. I wouldnt think this was one of the “big” busts and when you start looking at what people are sentenced with the same crimes as Misty and the rest then you will quickly realize that she will be spending 103 yrs. in prison. If LE if focused on REAL drug traffickers then they would not be setting up Misty. This is all about Haleigh and Misty’s lawyer knows this as well as LE. They are trying to get anything out of her now to use against her. The question is have they??? I really dont think they have or they would be sharing a big moment of “We got her” they wouldnt have to explain what they had just that they have something. There is nothing to get. Look at Joran Va der Sloot… he got by with murder. Thats a fact. But he has still confessed 3 different times one way or the other. He may not have told the complete truth each time but I guarantee you bits and piece are. Misty has not done this. If she would have talked it would have with Donna Brock, the inmates that are in there braiding her hair, somebody…. but yet she hasnt said anything. LE needs to look elsewhere!!!
Kate W. You are right on target!!!!!
Misty is not in Aruba either. jmo
What are you talkig about tobias…. Things like this happen EVERYWHERE not just Aruba
cathartic, He couldn’t solve it that way if Crystal didn’t actually want the kids, which is looking more and more like the case. Also, Ronald didn’t come up with this plan, he just filed for his $11,000. And when someone proposed changing the kids custody, that had enough appeal to make it a go.
The US is ot perfect. There are bad cops, lawyers, judges, priests, you name it. I wasnt going there anyway.
The point I was making is….. If you know something you will tell one way or the other. You dont have to tell everything but little bits and pieces add up. You dont see that with Misty. All she has said is she doesnt know anything else. Her lawyer said that she has told everything and LE doesnt like what she has to say. But if you put everything together you may be able to see a bigger picture. Just a thought???? Think about it and read everything before jumping to the easiest thing to believe.
I firmly believe Misty knows everything she either will be implicated in it and/or have to talk about Rons involvement (indirect) and she doesnt want her fantasy with him to end. As far as the drugs go the last sel/buy was for 200 oxys added to the already accounted for buys. Not just a few pills. They were just in the beginnings of making a come back to what they had been doing before. imho
Well you keep waiting tobias. She may convicted of drug charges but she will not be convicted of anything with Haleigh.
I got a big chuckle out of tobias, “she is not in Aruba, either.” Was a wrong to think that she was making a funny?
Anyone can see clearly they were selling/buying to other people and had a big network of friends in the UC tapes. jmo
OK Kate, you have a right to your theory just as we all do. If it is true, then Ronald and Crystal sold their daughter. Have you contacted LE about this? What was their reaction when you told them what really happened?
They were not the big dealers. They make know the big dealers and sell under them but they are definitely not big time.
Who said Ron and Crystal sold there daughter? Have I missed something??
I guess I was wrong about tobias comment about Aruba. Oh well. Anyhow, tobias and denise, I’m thinking that each of you is correct. It’s one of those things where you think that both can’t be true but then you have this insight… That’s where I came up with, “whoa!,” Ronald IS involved. He was clearly creating an alibi with all those phone calls. I couldn’t figure out why he would try to call Misty all those times and then not race home. The more I thought about it, the only thing I could conclude was “an alibi.” Sure, it could have been for something else, but where is the fun in that? If you pretend for a minute that he knew, a bunch of things fall into place.
The laws dont work that way thank god. Whether your big or little the law says if you are caught in the act with a certain amount of drugs you are trafficking. And since we have all witnessed the tapes they are definitly selling.jmo
tobias, here is all of Snodgrass’s court stuff. I don’t see Field’s name
UCN: 542007CF002375XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-12-19 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Defense Atty: MULLIGAN, JEREMIAH S
Defendant
SNODGRASS, DANIEL E
Alias
SANGRASS, DANIEL E
Date # Docket Description
2007-12-19 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. KE TAYLOR (9/23/07)
2007-12-19 1 CAPITAL SEXUAL BATTERY
2007-12-19 1 LEWD & LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION
2007-12-20 1 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND NONE
2007-12-20 2 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2007-12-20 3 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2007-12-20 4 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2007-12-20 5 ARREST REPORT - WARRANT
2007-12-20 5 BOOKING NUMBER: 07-05549
2007-12-20 6 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 12-20-07
2007-12-20 6 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2007-12-20 6 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND - NO BOND
2008-02-06 7 INFORMATION - I - SEXUAL BATTERY ON PERSON LESS THAN
2008-02-06 7 12 YEARS OF AGE - II - LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION
2008-02-07 8 COMPLAINT TRANSFERRED FROM CASE NO.08-402MM
2008-02-07 9 COMPLAINT TRANSFERRED FROM CASE NO. 08-401MM
2008-02-08 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-29-2008) IN JAIL
2008-02-29 11 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,
2008-02-29 11 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,
2008-02-29 11 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 05/13/2008.
2008-02-29 12 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2008-02-29 13 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2008-02-29 14 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 05/13/2008
2008-02-29 15 WAIVER OF AARRAIGNMENT AND WRITTEN PLEA OF NOT GUILTY
2008-02-29 15 FILED BY VALLI B QUETTI
2008-02-29 16 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
2008-03-04 17 MOTION FOR BOND REDUCTION
2008-03-13 18 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 03/20/2008 @ 2:30 PM
2008-03-13 18 ON MOTION FOR BOND
2008-03-17 19 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA ISSUED:
2008-03-17 19 DET. KENNETH D. TAYLOR
2008-03-19 20 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO COMPEL RESPONSE TO DISCOVERY
2008-03-20 21 MOTION HEARING MINUTES: MOTION FOR BOND REDUCTION
2008-03-20 21 CONTINUED UNTIL FURTHER ORDER OF COURT
2008-03-25 22 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2008-03-25 22 DET KENNETH D TAYLOR
2008-03-31 23 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
2008-03-31 24 WITNESS LIST
2008-03-31 25 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
2008-04-10 26 ORDER CONCERNING BOND - BOND SET AT $70,004. SECURED
2008-04-14 27 AMENDED ORDER
2008-04-15 28 $70,004.00 CHUCK’S BAIL BOND POSTED - #PC125-703710
2008-04-15 29 $ 5,004.00 CHUCK’S BAIL BOND POSTED - #PC7-742669
2008-04-15 29 04/11/2008 CONTINENTAL HERITAGE INSURANCE CO.
2008-04-16 30 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05-13-2008)
2008-05-13 31 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY VAL QUETTI
2008-05-13 31 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2008-05-13 31 CONTINUED TO 09/17/2008
2008-05-13 32 COURT HAS NO OBJECTION TO DR APPTS & ATTORNEY APPTS
2008-05-13 32 OUT OF COUNTY
2008-05-16 33 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (09/17/2008)
2008-06-27 34 AMENDED BOND STIPULATION
2008-06-27 35 ORDER GRANTING AUTHORIZATION FOR DEFENDANT TO LEAVE
2008-06-27 35 PUTNAM COUNTY
2008-07-28 36 NOTICE OF FILING DEFENDANT’S PERMISSION TO TRAVEL
2008-07-28 36 OUTSIDE PUTNAM COUNTY
2008-07-30 37 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2008-07-30 38 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET PEGGY CONE
2008-07-30 38 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 09:00 AM
2008-07-30 39 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: EVIDENCE COSTODIAN
2008-07-30 39 PCSO - TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 09:30 AM
2008-07-30 40 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: MICHAEL HARRELL
2008-07-30 40 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 10:00 AM
2008-07-30 41 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: SGT RICKY LYLE
2008-07-30 41 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 10:30 AM
2008-07-30 42 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET ELTON MILLER
2008-07-30 42 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 11:00 AM
2008-07-30 43 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: WILLIAM PRIOLETTI
2008-07-30 43 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 11:30 AM
2008-07-30 44 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET DAVID SANDERS
2008-07-30 44 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 01:30 PM
2008-07-30 45 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET DOUG SCHWALL
2008-07-30 45 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 02:00 PM
2008-07-30 46 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET KENNETH TAYLOR
2008-07-30 46 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 02:30 PM
2008-07-30 47 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET JULIE SIMMS
2008-07-30 47 TO BE TAKEN 09/03/2008 AT 03:00 PM
2008-08-05 48 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 48 EVIDENCE CUSTODIAN - PCSO
2008-08-05 49 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 49 SGT. RICKY LYLE
2008-08-05 50 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 50 DET DOUG SCHWALL
2008-08-05 51 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 51 DET WILLIAM PRIOLETTI
2008-08-05 52 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 52 DET DAVID SANDERS
2008-08-05 53 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 53 DET KENNETH TAYLOR
2008-08-05 54 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 54 DET JULIE SIMMS WALKER
2008-08-05 55 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-05 55 DET ELTON MILLER
2008-08-12 56 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2008-08-12 57 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: LILLIAN VAN HOUTEN
2008-08-12 57 TO BE TAKEN 10/03/2008 AT 09:30 AM
2008-08-12 58 MOTION FOR DISCLOSURE OF CHILD PROTECTION TEAM
2008-08-12 58 RECORDS AND REPORTS
2008-08-13 59 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-13 59 MICHAEL HARRELL - PCSO
2008-08-20 60 MOTION FOR STATEMENT OF PARTICULARS AND REQUEST FOR
2008-08-20 60 HEARING
2008-08-20 61 DEFENDANT’S 2ND MOTION TO COMPEL RESPONSE TO DISCOVERY
2008-08-20 62 ORDER GRANTING TESTIMONY OF CHILD PROTECTION TEAM
2008-08-20 63 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-20 63 LILLIAN VAN HOUTEN SUB SVC DENA JOHNSON
2008-08-25 64 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-08-25 64 DET. PEGGY CONE - PCSO
2008-08-27 65 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 09/02/2008 AT 03:30 PM
2008-08-27 66 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2008-08-27 67 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: WILLIAM COTTER
2008-08-27 67 TO BE TAKEN 10/03/2008 AT 10:00 AM
2008-08-27 68 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: B.M.W. C/O PARENT
2008-08-27 68 OR GUARDIAN - TO BE TAKEN 10/03/2008 AT 10:45 AM
2008-09-02 69 MOTION HEARING MINUTES: DEFENSE MOTION FOR STATEMENT
2008-09-02 69 OF PARTICULARS - STATE TO PREPARE ORDER
2008-09-02 69 PT CON’T TO 10/08/2008
2008-09-05 70 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (10-08-2008)
2008-09-05 71 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED UNSERVED:
2008-09-05 71 B.M.W. C/O PARENT - VACANT LOT
2008-09-05 72 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-09-05 72 WILLIAM COTTER - DCF
2008-09-09 73 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2008-09-09 74 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: A.M.W
2008-09-09 74 TO BE TAKEN 10/17/2008 @ 1:00 PM
2008-10-08 75 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY VAL QUETTI,
2008-10-08 75 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2008-10-08 75 CONTINUED TO 11/13/2008
2008-10-08 76 NOTICE OF SIMILAR FACT EVIDENCE
2008-10-10 79 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2008-10-10 79 A.M.W. C/O SHANNON CHANCEY
2008-10-13 77 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (11-13-2008)
2008-10-13 78 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (11-13-2008)
2008-10-14 80 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
2008-10-14 81 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
2008-10-20 82 MOTION TO WITHDRAW
2008-10-20 83 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 10/21/2008 @ 1:30 PM
2008-10-21 84 MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE COUNSEL
2008-10-21 85 ORDER ON MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE COUNSEL - GRANTED
2008-10-21 86 MOTION HEARING MINUTES: MOTION TO WITHDRAW AS
2008-10-21 86 COUNSEL GRANTED - JEAN MOYER SUBSTITUTED AS COUNSEL
2008-10-21 87 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (11/13/2008)
2008-10-27 88 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
2008-10-27 89 AMENDED INFORMATION (SEXUAL BATTERY ON PERSON LESS
2008-10-27 89 THAN 12 YEARS OF AGE; LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION)
2008-11-04 90 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY
2008-11-13 91 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JEAN MOYER
2008-11-13 91 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2008-11-13 91 CONTINUED TO 12/18/2008
2008-11-17 92 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/18/2008)
2008-11-17 93 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/18/2008)
2008-12-18 94 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JEAN MOYER
2008-12-18 94 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2008-12-18 94 CONTINUED TO 01/14/2009
2008-12-22 95 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (01-14-2009)
2008-12-22 96 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-14-2009)
2009-01-14 97 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JEAN MOYER
2009-01-14 97 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2009-01-14 97 CONTINUED TO 03/05/2009
2009-01-15 98 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03/05/2009)
2009-01-15 99 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03/05/2009)
2009-01-26 100 NOTICE OF ALIBI
2009-01-26 101 MOTION FOR ADDITIONAL DISCOVERY
2009-01-26 102 DEFENDANT’S RESPONSE TO STATE’S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY
2009-01-27 103 MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS OF PRETRIAL RELEASE
2009-03-02 104 APPLICATION FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2009-03-02 105 MOTION FOR DEPOSITION
2009-03-02 106 MOTION TO TAKE VIDEO TESTIMONY OF WITNESS UNDER AGE 16
2009-03-02 107 MOTION TO TAKE VIDEO TESTIMONY OF WITNESS UNDER AGE 16
2009-03-02 108 DEFENSE’S ADDITIONAL WITNESS LIST
2009-03-05 109 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JEAN MOYER
2009-03-05 109 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
2009-03-05 109 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 06/22/2009
2009-03-06 110 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (06/22/2009)
2009-03-06 111 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (06/22/2009)
2009-03-16 112 ORDER FINDING DEFT INDIGENT FOR COSTS
2009-03-25 113 MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS OF PRETRIAL RELEASE
2009-04-09 114 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/01/2009 AT 02:00PM
2009-04-30 115 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2009-04-30 116 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: BARBIE HUDSON, RN
2009-04-30 116 TO BE TAKEN 05/12/2009 @ 1:00 PM
2009-04-30 117 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: MARK JOHN WEBB
2009-04-30 117 TO BE TAKEN 05/12/2009 @ 2:00 PM
2009-05-01 118 MOTION HEARING MINUTES: MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS
2009-05-01 118 OF PRE-TRIAL RELEASE - JEAN MOYER TO PREPARE ORDER
2009-05-01 119 COPY OF GLOBAL MONITORING INVOICE
2009-05-08 120 ORDER DENYING DEFTS MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS
2009-05-08 120 OF PRE TRIAL RELEASE
2009-06-01 121 MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE
2009-06-15 122 TRIAL MINUTES: AT CALENDAR CALL CASE CONTINUED TO
2009-06-15 122 NEXT TRIAL 08/24/2009
2009-06-15 123 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (08/24/2009)
2009-06-15 124 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (08/24/2009)
2009-07-30 125 MOTION FOR HEARING TO REVOKE BOND
2009-07-30 126 MOTION FOR LEAVE TO WITHDRAW
2009-07-30 127 ORDER GRANTING LEAVE TO WITHDRAW
2009-07-31 128 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 08/03/2009 AT 04:15 PM
2009-08-03 129 MOTION HEARING MINUTES - MOTION TO WITHDRAW GRANTED
2009-08-03 129 MOTION TO REVOKE BOND CONTINUED
2009-08-03 130 DEFT GIVEN UNTIL 8-24-08 TO OBTAIN PRIVATE COUNSEL
2009-08-03 130 STATE OBJECTED TO CONTINUANCE
2009-08-13 131 TRIAL MINUTES: AT CALENDAR CALL CASE CONTINUED TO
2009-08-13 131 NEXT TRIAL 09/21/09
2009-08-17 132 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (09-21-2009)
2009-08-17 133 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-21-2009)
2009-08-24 134 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2009-08-24 135 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2009-08-24 136 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 09/03/2009
2009-08-24 137 CASE RESET TO 09/03/2009
2009-09-03 138 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON
2009-09-03 138 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2009-09-03 138 CONTINUED TO 11/10/2009
2009-09-09 139 DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY AND REQUEST
2009-09-09 139 FOR A HEARING
2009-09-09 140 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (11/10/2009)
2009-10-14 141 STATES RESPONSE TO DEFTS MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY
2009-11-09 142 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2009-11-09 143 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 11/10/2009 @ 1:30 PM
2009-11-10 144 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY VAL QUETTI
2009-11-10 144 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
2009-11-10 144 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 02/22/2010
2009-11-10 145 MOTION FOR ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR
2009-11-10 145 DEPOSITION
2009-11-10 146 ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA
2009-11-10 146 DUCES TECUM FOR DEPOSITION
2009-11-10 147 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: WILLIAM COTTER
2009-11-10 147 TO BE TAKEN 11/30/2009 @ 1:30 PM
2009-11-10 148 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
2009-11-12 149 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02/22/2010)
2009-11-12 150 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02/22/2010)
2009-11-12 151 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED UNSERVED:
2009-11-12 151 JOANN NEWBERG
2009-11-13 152 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
2009-11-13 153 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2009-11-13 153 SUSAN STEFF
2009-11-13 154 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED UNSERVED:
2009-11-13 154 MISTY SANDERSON
2009-11-13 155 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED UNSERVED:
2009-11-13 155 MARY ANN PETRI
2009-11-16 156 SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM SERVED TO:
2009-11-16 156 WILLIAM COTTER
2009-11-23 157 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION - JOAN NEWBERGER -
2009-12-02 158 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION -VIDEO-
2009-12-02 159 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: BRITTANY M WEBB
2009-12-02 159 TO BE TAKEN 12/09/2009 AT 09:00
2009-12-02 160 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: JOHN MARK WEBB
2009-12-02 160 TO BE TAKEN 12/09/2009 AT 10:30
2009-12-02 161 MOTION FOR ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR
2009-12-02 161 DEPOSITION
2009-12-03 162 DEFTS NOTICE TO WITHDRAW PREVIOUSLY FILED
2009-12-03 162 PLEADINGS
2009-12-04 163 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2009-12-04 163 JOAN NEWBERGER
2009-12-09 164 ORDER ON DEFTS MOTION FOR ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA
2009-12-09 164 DUCES TECUM FOR DEPOSITION
2009-12-17 165 DEFTS MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OF TRIAL
2009-12-18 166 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: CHRISTINE COMENCHEK
2009-12-18 166 TO BE TAKEN 01/04/2010 AT 01:30
2009-12-18 167 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: BARBIE H VALLETTO
2009-12-18 167 TO BE TAKEN 01/07/2010 AT 10:00 AM
2009-12-21 168 ORDER FOR CONTINUANCE GRANTED
2010-01-11 169 NOTICE OF TAKING TELEPHONIC DEPOSITION
2010-01-11 170 MOTION FOR ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
2010-01-11 170 FOR DEPOSITION (FAX)
2010-01-13 171 MOTION FOR ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR
2010-01-13 171 DEPOSITION
2010-01-14 172 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-01-14 172 BARBIE HUDSON VALLETTO (FAX COPY)
2010-01-15 173 ORDER ON DEFTS MOTION FOR ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENA DUCES
2010-01-15 173 TECUM FOR DEPOSITION GRANTED
2010-01-15 174 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-01-15 174 BARBIE HUDSON VALLETTO
2010-01-26 175 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-01-26 175 RICHARD ARENS, DEPT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES
2010-01-26 175 02/03/10
2010-01-26 176 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2010-01-26 176 RICHARD ARENS
2010-01-26 177 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-01-28 178 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-01-28 178 RICHARD ARENS
2010-02-02 179 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION -TELEPHONIC-FAX
2010-02-02 180 NOTICE OF TAKING TELEPHONIC DEPOSITION
2010-02-10 181 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-02-11 182 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-02-11 182 LILLIAN VAN HOUTEN 02/16/2010
2010-02-17 183 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2010-02-17 183 AIMEE ALLGIER
2010-02-18 184 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2010-02-18 184 AIMEE ALLGIER
2010-02-18 185 DEFENDANT’S WITNESS LIST
2010-02-19 186 DEFENSE WITNESS LIST
2010-02-22 187 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURNED SERVED:
2010-02-22 187 RICHARD ARENS
2010-02-22 188 MOTION TO WITHDRAW AND APPOINT REGIONAL CONFLICT
2010-02-22 188 COUNSEL
2010-03-04 189 MOTION HEARING MINUTES: DEFENSE MOTION TO WITHDRAW
2010-03-04 189 AND APPOINT REGIONAL CONFLICT COUNSEL GRANTED
2010-03-04 189 CASE CONTINUED TO 4/13/2010 PRE-TRIAL
2010-03-04 190 ORDER ALLOWING PUBLIC DEFENDER TO WITHDRAW AND
2010-03-04 190 APPOINTING REGIONAL CONFLICT COUNSEL
seems his trial is in April
cathartic, no, haven’t made that call to LE with my “first hand” knowledge. Thankfully, I think LE had this figured out way long ago. So long ago that they called the searches off early. They haven’t been able to make any arrests because they didn’t have quite enough evidence on anybody. That’s why they need a few people to talk.
I wonder who the public defender was? just curious because on another site (AH) in the comments he says R, Fields was at one time defending a so preditor and pulled out of the case. Iwas just trying to see if 1+1=2 jmo
He called Misty all those times because they were fighting. He didnt leave because he was at work. She turned off the phone because she didnt want to fight. Everyone has said she was on a 3 day binge. That means she probably stayed awake 3 days straight on drugs. Thats why she wanted to just go to sleep. She had came off her high and kept the kids that afternoon she was probably ready to crash. These two families (Sheffields/Cummings) know alot of the same people and the Sheffield side had probably heard what was going on with Misty leaving, they already felt Ron had stolen the kids in the first place and Crystal was about to go to jail for not paying child support and they needed to get both of the kids back. The brick was put at the door so they could come back in the house and get JR too but something stopped them. This was definitely planned. They just didnt realize that the media would pick up on it like they did. JMO
Please let it be noted that Kate W. does not think that Ron and Crystal sold their daughter. Occaisonally people do put their children “in hiding.” By that I do not mean an underground cave or a secret room above the garage. They find a person, preferably one who lives in the country, who can care for the child for a while. The child has a limited social life and no public life but the situation isn’t necessarily bad. I have some references about this type of thing if anyone is interested. Anyhow, this whole thing was supposed to blow over and grow cold relatively quickly. After Crystal had custody of Jr. and Ron’s child support was “paid in advance,” Haleigh was probably going to be anonymously dropped off somewhere.
tobias said,in March 15th, 2010 at 3:30 pm The laws dont work that way thank god. Whether your big or little the law says if you are caught in the act with a certain amount of drugs you are trafficking. And since we have all witnessed the tapes they are definitly selling.jmo
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Yes the law does work like that. If it didnt our jails/prisons would be so full that we couldnt afford to keep people up. Thats why they have house arrest, halfway houses, etc…
Agree again Kate W.
So they should put Jerome williams on house arrest too? Just saying his case is not too far from this one. jmo
tobias,
They watched this group for a solid month, and the only deals they got them on were with an uc. If they’d also seen them dealing to others, then the entrapment argument would go out the window. But that’s not the case here.
denise, I agree, that thing the perps didn’t count on was the media attention. Although why they did this right around the time of the Caylee “one year missing event” is curious, seems kind of obvious that it would get a lot of hype. Maybe whoever was figuring out the timing wanted to profit $$ from the Caylee attention with bumper stickers andn buttons and a Haleigh Bug center…
tobias,
Criminal defence lawyers represent criminals. It doesn’t mean any of their clients are associated with each other any more than a divorce lawyers clients are having affairs with each other!
again tobias what are you talking about. How about staying on topic. Two totally different situations.
I really cant see entrapment in any of the tapes. Misty and Ron are even setting up new buys and sells for the UC. jmo
again tobias what are you talking about. How about staying on topic. Two totally different situations.
again tobias what are you talking about. How about staying on topic. Two totally different situations. Im not saying they will get house arrest. I was making a general statement. You try to make things out of nothing but then again are so simple minded when it comes to this case what gives??
tobias,
Criminal defence lawyers represent criminals….that’s the job. It doesn’t mean their clients are associated with each other any more than a divorce lawyer’s clients are having affairs with each other!
sorry about the multiple posts my computer is not the best. Again they are a little questionable because the UC approached them and they are not selling/dealing with no one else. You have to think about how a judge will look at this. Of course its not right thats why its called illegal. But if you are a judge that has seen so much more you would rather get the “big guys”
Kate W. - I don’t understand what you suggest would be R’s motive for helping C get custody of/possession of Haleigh in this way.
SHE owed HIM $12,000 already.
If he wanted her to have custody, they could have gone back to court, C could have at least tried to clean up her act for that, and they could have agreed for C to have all or most custody. And then he’d have to start paying custody payments. I don’t get the motive on R’s part for agreeing to a fake-kidnapping thing.
denise, the thing I was trying to figure out that led me to the “whoa, Ron was in on it,” also had to do with Ron undermining the search wrt Misty. He tells her that Donna B is a snitch, or whatever she is supposed to be, and then he does that “The cops made me say that I really loved her but sssshhhh, I don’t want this to get out, oh, this is being RECORDED and MISTY WILL FIND OUT?” Why was he trying to keep her quiet?
tobias said,
in March 15th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
I wonder who the public defender was? just curious because on another site (AH) in the comments he says R, Fields was at one time defending a so preditor and pulled out of the case. Iwas just trying to see if 1+1=2 jmo
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I guess it could have been any number of SO’s. Maybe it was Sapp you were thinking of.
Like I said I was just curious geezz. And I dont think its simple minded to point out that a dealer is a dealer, and whether it J. Williams or the players ists all the same in court. Justice is blind remember. 8 counts of trafficking on video is not going to get you house arrest. jmo
Vaq, You could be right. It doesnt really matter I was just curious as to why AH said that in his comment section. TY jmo
tobias,
That’s the point….the deals were with an undercover. They have not got them on even one charge independent of the uc.
denise….I just had the same problem with double posts. Sorry everyone.
Tell that to all the guys who get caught soliciting a UC for prostitution. I t doesnt go over too good in court. I dont mean to sound like I am being mean but really they are not going to get off easy. jmo
Tobias,I wouldn’t put to much stock in what Art Harrass says, he’s rarely right.
Like him saying Crystal’s family was cleared by LE. Well, no they weren’t.
m2c, yeah, I really had to bust my little pea brain on that one. Oh, I hope you don’t take that the wrong way. I was offending myself, not anyone else! Anyhow, I did have to think long and hard on that one. Good thing I had a seven hour drive, a doll of a mom who listened for a good chunk of those seven hours, and a child who slept most of that time.
Here’s what I came up with. Crystal owed the child support money and there wasn’t really any chance of actually getting it out of her, at least not soon, no matter how many petitions he files. The most they will do is throw her in jail for what, 30 days, I think I learned that here a few days ago. So if Crystal has custody, at least he’s already “paid” $12,000 or whatever— I don’t know if it works that way but seems possible.
The problem with going to court is that Crystal doesn’t seem to WANT custody. EVERYBODY ELSE wants her to take her turn and care for her kids. That’s the one common goal that they do have.
The person who I read said that the kids were “stolen” by Ron was none other than Johnny Marty Sheffield. I think he even said that he and Connie were raising them. But someone said “no way, nobody had time for these kids.” Kind of believable…
Because whether you realize it or not Ron thinks someone on Crystal’s side took Haliegh. I tink his lawyer has told him to just keep quiet and I think MIsty’s lawyer has said the same thing. I think the oly reason Ron left MIsty was becuse everyone was focused on him marrying her and why and also was it to protect him from statutory rape or maybe he was in on a cover up. I think everyone is questioning every move that Ron and Misty has made since Haliegh has been gone, and understandably so. I think people close to him family and his lawyer told him to seperate his self from Misty so the focus would get back to Haleigh. He has said from day one to keep the focus on Haleigh. But I think that Ron worried that Donna was there to set Misty up. This was attempted before Donna came in the picture with Kim Picazio and I think Ron wanted to make sure that she was not used for whatever purpose Donna had at the time and he knew Donna was a big influence on Misty and that could mean trouble. Well look now Misty is in trouble and look who is also involved. This girl is very vulnerable to anyone that gives her attention. There is a jailhouse tape that was cut short where Ron was talking to Teresa and said something about how Crystal could easily just move away and he would never see Haleigh again. I think he thinks that the Sheffields are hiding Haleigh allowing this case to go cold move cross country and Crystal will have her kids back. Its working so far. She has Jr. already and now has made it easier getting himself in trouble.
And even if Ron did want custody to begin with, he would have learned just how much work kids are real fast! The perk for him, of course, is that he had to keep finding a sixteen year old girlfriend to watch his kids… but really, if he did want the kids at the beginning, he found out fast just how much work parenting is, even if you don’t do it well.
Oh yeah, more on Ronald and his devotion to his children. You have to get them to school every day! You have to drop them at Stay ‘n Play while you do your drug deals and they charge you for that place!
Oh no, I’m sounding like NG. I better go take a break!!!!!!!!!!!!
In Canada, I think it was yesterday, two major drug dealers (cocaine etc) associated with the Hell’s Angels just got very light sentences in a sting type operation….one only got 14 months. The Judge took into account the fact that LE took advantage of the fact that one was a drug addict, and that they were used by LE to get to the higher ups.
“Vancouver — Two Hells Angels members received short jail sentences Friday of one year and 14 months for serious drug trafficking offences.
The judge sentenced Potts to one year in jail….Punko, 43, was handed a 14-month sentence.
During sentencing, Leask said both bikers were “pawns of police” because they were low-level targets used to try to get to high-level targets within Vancouver’s East End chapter of the Hells Angels
Potts and Punko pleaded guilty last Dec. 7 to trafficking cocaine, possessing more than $387,000 cash that was the proceeds of crime and conspiring to produce methamphetamine in a drug lab and distribute it.
The judge found that police used an agent, Michael Plante, who fed Punko’s addiction to the prescription painkiller Percocet and got Punko involved in methamphetamine production.
The judge found Potts was not a sophisticated criminal and was, at the time of his crimes, an alcoholic addicted to Percocets supplied by the police agent, Plante, who secretly tape recorded conversations between Punko, Potts and a meth lab cook named Ryan Renaud, whom Punko suspected was also working for the UN gang and its boss Clay Roueche.”
I know Canada and America are different, but just an example of how a Court can view these entrapment situations.
I think Ron does really love his kids but those kids were a tug of war with Ron and Crystal and neither probably should have had them. I do believe that Marty Sheffield was probably raising those kids and was sick of them being used as a pawn with both parents. Thats why I believe that he is the one behind all of this. He never realized how much attention it would get. and I think he knew exactly what was going on in that house. I think he waited in the woods behind the house until he figured out their daily schedule.
vaquera…yesterday he posted that Lisa wasn’t convicted of stealing the cheques from the neighbor…unbelievable. All he had to do was check the court docket to know he was wrong. An investigative journalist…LOL! He and Levi are the leaders of a witch hunt against a teenager, imo.
Kate W. your conspiracy theory is interesting. The only way I see Ronald staging a fake kidnapping is to perhaps get money to repay a possible drug debt and Crystal to pay off her debt of child support. I do not see Ronald wanting Crystal to have custody of the children. If Misty was told the truth after the fact about what happened she would spill it to get LE off her back.
Denise, yep, we agree on a lot of things. Ron doesn’t just think that someone on Crystals side took Haleigh, Ron KNOWS someone on Crystal’s side took Haleigh. Until yesterday I thought that he kept “reminding” Misty not to talk becuase the Sheffield/Crystal clan was dangling Haleigh in front of him or maybe even threatening him. That seemed like sufficent motivation to me and I didn’t go looking for more.
But then I was thinking about all those phone calls and wondering why on earth, if he wasn’t getting through to Misty, did he keep trying? Let the girl sleep! She has her phone turned off! She doesn’t want to talk to you.
So then I look at it from the angle “It’s like he was really worried about something…” but that doesn’t quite fit, either, because instead of racing home (and ask the kids at the bus stop just how fast he will race when Haleigh spills something on her shirt and it needs to be changed) he stops at the mart for a beer and some peanuts. Yeah, he did work a long shift and can definitely use a beer— after working 11 hours, one beer? Heck, I’d need a six pac.
But seriously, when I started looking at the “Ron’s in on it, he would like some freedom for a while if he can’t get any money from Crystal, etc” idea, some more things fell into place. Like Joe and the gun and setting Joe up as a fall guy. I wasn’t even tyring to fit all of these pieces in, I am clear that not everything has to be related, but it all just falls into place.
See I look at Ron stopping buy to buy beer and peanuts as more of yeah him and Misty was fussing he knew he was off from work and ready to confront her with everything that had been going on over the weekend and he was warming up with a few beers. She was headed for a long night/morning until he walked into this.
Listen,I was just rereading Tommy’s burglary charges pdf and on the 111 Tyler St,with the towels,blender,etc,an outside shed lock was broken.Remember on HaLeigh’s report that night,a shed door was open,officer checked in it,was that a broken lock?I wonder if that was reported as being broken into later that day?I’m curious as to was it broken into that very night and why door was open.How close was it to HaLeigh’s?And if Tommy didn’t have the shotgun at his home,in the Tyler st burglary,he has stashing place or a buyer.I’m wondering if someone met up with him for burglaries that night and brought van or did someone drop him off to pick up van at Tim’s,to take any stolen items into the woods.Locals say the van scratches were like thiers when tree branches scratched sides while going on narrow roads in thier woods.
denise said,in March 15th, 2010 at 3:52 pm sorry about the multiple posts my computer is not the best. Again they are a little questionable because the UC approached them and they are not selling/dealing with no one else. You have to think about how a judge will look at this. Of course its not right thats why its called illegal. But if you are a judge that has seen so much more you would rather get the “big guys”
Interesting that you mention that and now that I think about it I am guessing at who stands to face more time and get less of a deal than anyone on the drug charges?
Wouldn’t that be Ron with all his prior drug arrests?
It isn’t as though those arrests are not public knowledge. If the charges were expunged not a one of us would know much about them come to think of it.
hmmm…
How can you believe an orange headed, yellow bellied “reporter” who was on payroll to twist the facts to make Crystal look “good”????
That gives him 0 credibility. IMO
Denise, yes, I do think that Ron really does love his kids. I tend to think that those were real tears he cried. He had snot running out of his nose and he is a guy who manages his image really tightly. He even smiled in his mug shot! I don’t think he anticipated just how scared he would feel when Haleigh was gone.
Or else he’s a really good actor and it is a shame he didn’t work harder at it.
So although I think he loves them, he was also coming to terms with just how much work they are. His hope is to just love them every other weekend, like Crystal got to do for a while.
denise, for a long time I was looking at Ron’s convenience store stop along those lines. What kept bugging me was why he called so many times when it was so obvious that she wasn’t going to pick up.
kate, Ron has had those kids most of their lives. He has gone through the poopy diaper stage and late night bottle feedings. I think he had a clue with how much work they are.
Because when you are mad you want to let it out he was stuck at work so he was only hoping that she turned it back on and answered. jmo
denise, that is right, you could hit redial 20 times in a 10 minute coffee break, no big deal
denise, oh, another thing that wasn’t making sense. Why does he constantly say that he is going to kill whoever took Haleigh? Is he really going to wait for all the evidence to come in? If he was really going to do that by now, I would think that a some Croslins and some Sheffields and some Griffis would be dead by now and that he would be in jail for something besides drug charges.
And because I do think that he loves those kids, I wonder why he would say that he’ll spend the rest of his life in jail rather than be with them. I’m thinking that it is because he knows he won’t have to— the idea has been for Haleigh to be returned “anonymously” and never solved.
Kate I just do not see Ron wanting Crystal to have custody. They could have had a verbal agreement for the kids to stay all summer long if he needed a break. I am not saying that your theory is not possible for Ron and Crystal to have come together and staged a fake kidnapping but I do not think it would be for the reasons your stating. It would have to be bigger than Ron wanting Crystal to take responsibility.
treece, true, he’d already gone through the hardest part, but they were only 3 and 5 and still a lot of work. Also, though, maybe he didn’t know about the custody part of the plan and it was just about getting some money. Good point, treece.
I have to leave for awhile but what were you smoking??
denise, Yes, very true. I’m definitely that sort of person, when I am mad I want that person to listen to me. Good answer.
I hit enter too soon
I have to leave for awhile but what were you smoking?? lol (just joking)
Well I agree with you looking for justice I dont think Ron is in on it with Crystal either. They do not like each other and that is obvious. I think the reason Crystal was talking good about Ron at first was because she felt bad for him for losing her. She first said Ron would never hurt Haleigh and Haleigh was Ron’s heart then her story changed when KP came in the picture.
I also dont think that Ron would just go kill somebody just because he thinks they have Haleigh. No one knows where Haleigh is so things are still missing from this picture but I do think that he believes they are involved
looking for Justice, yes, I am with you now. Could he have been in it for the money? I haven’t ruled out the idea that he was “in it,” but I do think it quite possible. Because the reports are that he never really looked for Haleigh and never did a lot of things that a dad who loves his kids as much as he seems to would do.
denise, true, if Ron kills someone just because he is angry or suspicious then he loses that persons lead to Haleigh.
Gotta’ go. Thanks for all the good feedback and things to think about. This site is so important.
The state automatically issues a warrant once you get so far behind on child support. The reason it took so long to get to Crystal is becuase it had to go across state line so by the time she realized they were looking for her she owed more than she could get her hands on.
If the shed had been broken into that night,with a missing child being looked for,it might not have been reported,if nothing was missing.But,if it was and TC was burglarizing even then,LE can put that together with the shed on 111 Tyler just broken into,the home with the towels,golfcart battery charger,blender and toiletries.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609
this article says a small building with a door that had been left open.So maybe it wasn’t broken into,would still be interesting to hear what owner says about it.Was it locked before,kept closed or just left open normally.
“The track lead up to a small pond and then back to the railroad crossing. At the last residence on the right side of the Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building but found no one inside…”
the answer is - Misty and Ron are so notorious in their town they couldn’t get work to earn money..LE knew this so they had an UnderCover SELL pills to Ron for resale to a willing buyer, another UC. That is “entrapment”..some of the pills I believe came from donna brock or a relative’s perscription but the majority were supplied by UC. LE enticed them with the lure of easy money by SELLING them the pills then BUYING them, thats “entrapment”.
The “redacted” segments of tape will tell another story.
OJ’s glove, for me it still goes back to the parties being willing participants imvho, however, what proof does anyone have that what you suggested is exactly the scenario that had transpired?
Also, with your comments you are suggesting that some of the pills came from DB and/or a relatives’s presciption. How are you suggesting that is entrapment on that exactly?
LE knew this so they had an UnderCover SELL pills to Ron for resale to a willing buyer, another UC. That is “entrapment
OJ,
I agree. Whether or not they’ll have a full defence of entrapment, I’m not certain, but imo, what LE did was morally, if not legally, wrong in the circumstances. If they’d caught them selling to someone other than the uc that would be a different situation, but that is not the case here.
One day it goes from the pills came from DB and possibly someone at a VA then on to now it was that an UC provided them. Where is the proof of either? Far as I know the case has not gone to trial just yet…just saying.
I agree me and oj… but because they were the seller at some point and the supplier at some point puts them responsible for both but again LE was the supplier and the seller as well. Not sure how it would all come together.
Tuff STuff.. on the tapes you clearly hear the UC saying that he can get rid of them and then you clearly hear the UC tell Misty he was sure he could get some more. Thats how we know
Tuff Stuff,
The large supply was from the UC to Ron & Misty…it is on the tapes they’ve already released. He gave them to them on credit, to sell for him and get him the money later.
Denise I also heard Ron asking if the undecover had something else and do you not think it possible that things escalated from there to where the UC realized the opportunity to see how far R and M might go as in selling and then the buying as well?
It’s to much of a stretch for me to assume that either occurred but one thing I do know for a fact is that all parties are still locked up so LE does in fact have firm charges against them otherwise at least one lawyer either court appointed or not would be making a whole bunch of noise about now I would think.
I think if the goal was to get them for trafficking then they would have been happy to hear if Ron had other dealings if that is what you are trying to say. Also LE has what they have. I dont pretend to know everything only what I have seen on the tapes and they are headed to trial and I will definitely interested to hear exactly what happened.
Besides both buying and selling are illegal and apparently they did both.
No one forced them to do any of the things that they were arrested for.
Sting operations are sting operations. Either buying or selling, makes no difference imvho.
well thats true Tuff Stuff no one is questioning that. Thats why they are in jail. We are looking at it objectively questioning LE’s part of it.
I know Denise I am also trying to sort this all out rationally as well. Hang in there.
It’s sad to think that in cases like Anna Nicole Smith, Micheal Jackson and now Corey Haim’s deaths that if maybe someone had done a sting operation that all might still be alive today.
This drug thing has reached epidemic proportions nowdays it seems.
Makes me so mad too!
I forgot to add mention of Anna Nicole Smith’s son also.
My apologies for the OT.
To quote someone, (Can’t remember who exactly.)
I’m tarred of it!!! And I believe that other truly concerned taxpaying citizens are too.
…Just saying.
Rons credibility went right out the window when he knew if he got caught he would lose Junior. A father that has lost one child would never risk losing his last remaining child by doing something this foolish. He had a job working for his aunt, yet greed and the need for drugs outweighed his need to be a good father to Junior. And why was he with Misty?
Wasnt it enough that the police said she knows more about what happened to his daughter?
If what he told the UC about drug boys, that they kill the whole family, was what he believed why would he risk dealing with drugs at all? He knew what happens and still plays with fire and his childrens lives.Also you see people are sending him and Misty money in jail, you gotta believe people sent money to them before. jmo
Goodnight all pray for Haleigh.
just want to say as an old time poster here, i want to thank jan and simon for all they have done and will do for all the innocent babies in this world,for giving us all somewhere to cry,laugh, even argue,but somewhere that if you care for this world and the innocent children born into it we can come here and try to make a difference…even if we dont agree we are all here for one reason….JUSTICE..ANSWERS..
I hold onto that the good will always whip ass of the bad…always…
Justice for caylee,prayers for haleigh.xxx.
I believe Ron Loved his children,he just had a drug habit.
I do believe he as well as Misty shed real tears.Crystal on the other hand.At a fundraiser,Crystal got on the platform.She was wiping at tears that just werent there.
I dont think Ron ever wanted Crystal to have the children,nor does he seem like a man to set something up with Crystal,to do with Haliegh,being hid.
The shed lock being broken,in a theft,an then the shed lock being broken behind the trailor,is something worth looking into.
I did lean towards Tommy,an Joe.It seems in the beginning Misty was trying to say something.When she brought out these 2 had molested her. Now i dont know if it was just 2 kids checking each other out.Or how old they were, what age difference was between Misty,an the 2 men.With a girl child missing first thought is usualy a SO.
I todate dont think Misty,or Ron hurt Haliegh with their own hands.But she could have took pills out Mistys purse,Thinking candy,but to chew them,Haliegh would have spit this out.They are nasty.
ME= ,the drug Hells Angel story,wonder if Mistys lawyer has read this,Would be a good strategy on drug arrest.(The 200 pills),when the bust came.I muself saw no moneys passed,heck they could have planned to rip UC off.They never left the car with those pills, sold none.I think those should be thrown out now!!! Then filter out who sold what,an where pills came from,during the month.
Mistys looking at way toooo many yrs,for a first time offender.Shame she wasnt offered help from the start,her an Ron both like Crystal has been. That towns full of big dealers,an has been a long,long time.An they set their sites on these little people,in the drug world.It was all because they did the set up,wanting Misty,most of all.If she guilty of harming Haliegh with evidence to back it,fine, but this seems to me a raw deal
Still waiting for truth.An Haliegh to be found.Show me the evidence.
I think Kate is right on target with Johnny/Marty Sheffield being the mastermind behind this abduction. His law enforcement background could enable to get away with this. Ron “stole” Haleigh so he decided to get her back. Custody of Jr went to Crystal and a rich benefactor paid Crystal`s back child support. The media is what kept Haleigh from “reappearing”.
Oh yes i would like the link about the GUN,in the mouth.
Was when Tim Miller said he was at Rons,an Ron put the gun to his mouth,then moved it.An told TM he would blow Mistys brains out if he knew she hurt Haliegh. TM said he talked to Ron about the gun in front of Butterbean.TM said he told LE,an DCS, about this,an they checked for a gun,none was found.Ron was crying,an mad.This happened after polly,an LDT,i believe.
JAN57, that story has no credibility to me. TM didn’t tell that story until weeks after it supposedly happened. He told that after he got mad at Ron & Misty. IF that had happened when he said it did and Jr was in danger and his concern why would he have not told it immediately to make sure Jr was protected. TMs stories just don’t add up.jmo
Treece,i just read it a while back.Andidnt really belive the story.Thinking Jr would have been removed if that had took place.But i dont remember Misty ever saying anything about a gun,being put in her mouth.
The reason i wrote it.Was to see if this is what they may have read. If Misty did say this. I cant find a video,or report of her statement.I know it had been mentioned here,several times,that this happened to MISTY.(THE GUN IN HER MOUTH).
In other words i would like to see Mistys report,about a gun in her mouth.TM reported his thing,i knew they were not getting along.But brought that up,because its all i have seen pertaining,a gun in someones mouth. This isnt important now,but still would like to find the video.
Jan57:
I don’t think Misty ever made a report about a gun in her mouth. What is being referred to here, is on Misty’s voice stress analysis test. She was aked if anyone had ever threatened her to keep her quiet, and at first she said no. Then a little later, she said, “Now if someone comes in and puts a gun in my mouth and tells me not to tell. NuHuh!”
Tim Miller said Ron put a gun in his mouth in front of him. He said Ron told him if he found out Misty had a part in Haleigh’s disappearance, he would kill himself and, then blow Misty’s teeth out of the back of her throat.
Tim also, said Amber, also said Ron would scare her to death putting a gun in his mouth and threatening to commit suicide.
Jan57:
Tim did say that Jr. was in the room when Ron put the gun in his mouth. I think TM didn’t report it right away. When they did check it out, I think they took the gun away from Ron. Ron made a statement about them taking his gun away because of that story. This statement was made to the UC during one of the drug deals. It was on tape.
Jan57, re your 9:28:
Misty said it, but not to TM or any of his people. Misty made the gun in your mouth statement when she was in an airport or some similar public place, and was interviewed briefly as she was walking through. I saw this on TV, but I have not found it available anywhere online.
In the video I saw on TV, Misty said into a microphone someone was holding in her face that she didn’t really have anything to say and that police needed to get the focus off her and on the right person, and then she just very casually said, “When someone puts a gun in your mouth and tells you not to talk, uh-uh, I ain’t talkin’.”
Later, she did a voice stress test and that video is available online. During that test she denied having ever said that and said no one had put a gun in her mouth or threatened her in any way.
I saw her on video saying it. Then saw her in another video denying having said it. I just chalked it up as another Misty inconsistency.
Jan57, The interview in my 10:50 was right around the time Ronald had filed for divorce because in the same interview she said she didn’t want a divorce but he did.
Karon Cox said,
in March 15th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Jan57:
Tim did say that Jr. was in the room when Ron put the gun in his mouth. I think TM didn’t report it right away. When they did check it out, I think they took the gun away from Ron. Ron made a statement about them taking his gun away because of that story. This statement was made to the UC during one of the drug deals. It was on tape.
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no one took his guns away and I really don’t believe the ’story’ he told.
I think Misty’s comment about the gun in her mouth was during the Tim Miller LDT’s and hypnosis.
Kate W., do you know HollyGsMom?
Hey Noreen, I got the message…you still here?
I’m wondering if it was a question that Noreen was asking Kate W or an….accusation. lol.
Been working all day with some information a psychic put on her website. Her name is Christine Hamlett and she is telling about a Pipeline, White house, Star, river/creek that “snakes”, possible bridge,
I found a Gas Pipeline Rd in google maps. On that same property is a creek that “snakes” at the end very near the pipeline culvert. It is 15 minutes S of PDM. Oh and by the way, I looked at pics of PDM and their fence isn’t all that high. 6 ft at most. There are some trucks backed up to it in the pic on google and a man could almost step over from the back of a pickup truck. Anyway….This pipeline Rd property is 10 minutes North of St Johns Rd or the Mondex L-Pond. I have emailed Christine to ask her feelings about possibility they (Misty & party pals, whomever) might have started out to take Haleigh to the ER (Which is just 5-10 minutes North of Pipeline area then for whatever reason went off road at 19 & Point of Woods Trail. That is the opening to the pipeline access from HWY 19. There is a “pig-trail” road that runs south through the pipeline property. Either of these places could have made the damages to the van.
I have maps and am plotting a complete map of this route and more. Back when I have more.
Sorry Pipeline is 10-12 minutes S of PDM, the L-Pond is 19 minutes from PDM by car.
Now I am wondering if there was a meeting during lunch break. If 30 mins then he’d have time to rush to Point of Woods Rd, meet, direct, and rush back within 30 -40 minutes.
He also could have walked out the 2nd gate and been picked up. There is also a large white roofed (possibly white extrior but no street view on that rd) house at the end of Gas Pipeline Rd….still looking for the star & possible mill/millstone type thingy.
HollysGma, I can’t sleep tonight…
please tell me more…I hope your still up.
Is anyone here??
HGM, What does the psychic say?
Vanquera and Glove:
The statements that I was talking about came from Misty, TM, and Misty’s videos. I am not saying that is what happened, but I am saying that is what Misty said, Ronald said and Tim Miller and Mark Nejames said. You can go back and check, if you want. You can find TM statement by looking up his audios. You can find Misty’s statement on the voice analysis stress test video, and Ronald’s statement about the gun on one of the videos where he was talking to the uc guy. It is up to you.
Oh hey…I haven’t heard back from her yet. I just emailed her a few hours ago. I have her website, I’ll link it for you. I have been working on the maps and it seems fairly plausable that The group left Mondex L-Pond, traveled north on Hwy 19, possible stop at Pipeline entrance for off roading.
I’ll get you her link BRB
O.K.
How are you?
LOL! I feel Duh….
http://www.christinehamlett.com
SHe’s a british psychic who is on a TV show. SHe has a page dedicated to Adji Desir and Madleine McCann also. I’d like to ask her about Aja Johnson also.
HGM:
When RC’s lawyer was on NG one last time, NG asked him if RC’s whereabouts could be accounted for the whole shift. His lawyers said. “Well, alsmost.” NG raised her eyebrows to that one.
Hey I’m good…Hey Karon…glad to catch up with you. What do you think about the whole pipeline thingy?
You’re kidding!! I wonder about LUNCH break…How long? 30 mins or an hours?
*hour
I have seen a video of Misty walking thru the aiport, but I didn’t catch her saying that about when someone puts a gun in my mouth, I’m not talking. That video is on that News Runner site. I will have to go back and look at it again. Sometimes, they cut off the parts that you really want to look at.
I have links for the PDM pics as well as the “route” from L pond to Pipeline, continues to Palatka Hospital (Original goal, maybe)
If you look at the Pipeline area in map view you can see the Creek/river and how it snakes at the end. In satellite view you can see how the thickness of the trees follows the creek.
I’m still looking for an old mill type thing in that area. Anybody know?
HGM:
I haven’t watched it yet. Was it that she was buried on top of the pipeline?
Yhat sounds interesting about it snaking it’s way to the hospital.
I think about Misty saying during one interview, that when she and her brother were sitting out on the backporch, Haleigh seemed O.K., then.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107487122405003746789.000481e57d2fe6bf3fcce&t=h&z=12
Point B is the start of the pipeline where it meets Hwy 19. Zoom in and to the right is what looks like a cross. The horizontal arm of the cross is the pipeline. It curves intead of crossing Hwy 19. The verticle arm of the cross is the dirt pig-trail rd. (No street view) To the extreme right you can see the end of Gas Pipeline Rd (There is a large white house at that property. It backs up to the pipeline area)
Now click the word map….you will see the end of Pipeline Rd on the right, the snaking creek, then point B
Karon;
Or something along those lines. Maybe. It’s one of two heavily wooded areas between Mondex & Town (Palatka proper) It’s not uncommon for partiers to hang out at a pipeline road either. It’s well off the beaten path, no cars comming or going (except partiers). THere’s a water source nearby, lots of folliage. If this is the case it took them about 10 minutes to figure out their “options”. (L-Pond to Pipeline 5-7 minutes apart)
There is a turnoff of Hwy 19 and a very small dirt road leads down pipeline. THere is a trailer at the end of that dirt road, so they may use it as a driveway at times. (2nd access)
Wouldn’t it be something, if they could find her?
Simon:
I think it would be wonderful if you did a real good review of this whole case. Everybody remembers things a little different after a whole year, and it would settle alot of questions and renew our memories.
Old WHite House in Palatak associated with a Lumber mill of the late 1800’s
http://www.palatkaartleague.org/house.html
I’m gonna plot it on the map to see if it fits into the area I have been working with.
HollysGma, Is it true that you have a website that contains info about this case or something? Someone mentioned it a while back, I would love to view it…can you post a link? if it’s true.
Interestingly enough this house is very near Red Rose limos….Red Rose?? WHite Mill house???
There is about 3 blocks between them.
622 River Rd is the Red Rose Limos
324 River Rd is the Mill House
Here’s a mpa of them, less than a minute apart by car
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=324+River+St,+Palatka,+FL+32177&daddr=622+River+Street+Palatka+FL&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=29.640731,-81.635199&sspn=0.006509,0.013711&ie=UTF8&z=17
I am headed for bed, now. Good night.
Good night Karon…I too am going to call it a night. I’ve worked on this stuff for most of the day & night. QUiet possibly a goose chase…but what other leads d owe have?
See you guys tomorrow.
*Not the area (post above)
Ok so I finally located where the old cypress mill was in Palatka. It was less than 1 mile north of the House (324 River st). Mill was located next to what is now the Ravine Garden State PArk. The Admin building was contructewd using Mr Wilson’s cypress. It is still a working building with modern ammenities (except AC)
This park is 2 blocks from the bridge that crosses ST Johns River into Satsuma.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1600+Twigg+Street,+Palatka,+FL+32177-5637+(State+of+Florida:+Ravine+Gardens+State+Park)&daddr=324+River+St,+Palatka,+FL+32177&geocode=FdY9xAEdayci-yGSA7X8z7-nYSmXGn4ry2XmiDGjz6PFl8C5Jw%3B&gl=us&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=29.636963,-81.638288&sspn=0.011675,0.027423&ie=UTF8&ll=29.639425,-81.633224&spn=0.0467,0.109692&z=13
Book on google circa 1873
“Palatka, the county seat of Putnam county, is seventy-five miles south of Jacksonville, and next to that place is the largest place on the St. Johnt. It has about one thousand inhabitants, two excellent hotels, a saw-mill, GRIST-MILL, cotton-gin, two moss factories, wholesale and retail stores, & weekly newspaper, churches and schools. It is the head of ocean steamboat navigation—all the Charleston and Savannah steamers coming to Palatka.
I have yet to locate the site of the old grist-mill.
This pipeline scenario makes the vision I had before falling asleep…which made me feel nauseous…seem all that much more creepy. I have put it out there before. I do not claim to be a psychic in anyway. I had this vision of Haleigh’s body between dirt and this vast white underground tank (or pipe). It scared me, and I immediately felt sick. Maybe I felt sick because I envisioned poor little Haleigh like that, but it just felt like there was more to it than that. I posted my vision on another website, and one other person came forth and said she had almost the exact same vision.
good morning shockwave, This is very weird.
Have LE bothered to look into these claims?
shockwave, I believe when a person has this sort of reaction to a dream or vision that nine times out of ten, there is something to it. I wish I syill lived in fla, I would go look myself…as I’m sure we all would, it’s just very frustrating.
methinks said,
in March 16th, 2010 at 3:25 am
HollysGma, Is it true that you have a website that contains info about this case or something? Someone mentioned it a while back, I would love to view it…can you post a link? if it’s true.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Click on HollyG’s name in(gold)
I’ll PM you the rest!!!
Its so quiet since Mistys supposed letter has been copied by PCSO. Maybe there is something to it after all. Otherwise it would have gotten out like the NayNay letter.
I wished we had a video of Misty when LP said he was still interested in bailing out Tommy.
Something is really up with Lindsy and Misty. Lindsy wasnt fighting with her until now. Misty pointed fingers at Tommy the whole time and got a restraining order on him and Lindsy had no problem until now? Something aint right with it I think Lindsy knows something and she knows Misty is gonna take Tommy down with her. jmo
I’ve had “visions” concerning Haleigh, too, but I have no reason to believe I am psychic or anything. That, and the vision I had is not the answer I want — it’s probably just a visual purging of my fears. I’ve often wondered about dreams and visions, though. I’ve had weird incidents and such… it always seemed after the fact and useless. I’m largely skeptical about such things. When does a person decide a vision is a vision and not just brain babble?
Another thing I have been pondering that bothers me is the discussion Lindsy has with Tommy about the thumb print with the scar on it. I wonder if it was really from the Haleigh case and not the B&Es.hmmm. Could be PCSO is fishing a little with this info. jmo
tobias — about Lindsy and Misty — during Lindsy’s first visit with Tommy she and her son see Misty being walked through after a visit. They both smiled and waved at Misty, and then checked to see if their son could visit Misty. (He couldn’t.) But, yeh, there didn’t seem to be much “bad blood” at that time.
Have any of you guys heard from CathyJo? She’s been missing for days now and I miss her bubbly self.
thewoodlanddark,
I wasn’t going to respond to the line of discussion at first but then you got me thinking….
I am no expert in regards to the subject yet it seems to me that the shiny “psychic” badge is all to often a self appointed grandization and possibly a way to exploit others for personal gain. I don’t like it.
Where is the humility?
As for your question, “When does a person decide a vision is a vision and not just brain babble?”
I believe that if you can investigate what you may have seen in a vision and it is able to be proven factually then and only then can that determination be made.
There too even if you can prove what you saw as fact that shiny badge still does not belong to you imvho. As everyone prolly knows by now I am a spiritual person and I apply all things to our Creator, therefor, by default our Creator is to be recognized. (Also he who giveth can taketh away no? Why risk losing a blessing and an ability to help others if you truly can?)
I’m not a big fan of “psychics” in general for the reasons I listed in the first paragraph, however, I do have great respect for the ones who have helped in the past.
Besides, I read somewhere recently that someone was in the comapny of nostradamous and they had a terrible time. He kept saying over and over, “I knew that was going to happen.”
I’d almost bet that he didn’t have very many friends.
…Just sayin.
CENT!!!hello…thanks, I hope your feeling better
I sure hope I am not the reason for the silence in the thread. (I thought the Nostradamous thing was funny though.)
…sigh.
there is finally some sunshine outside here so me and my doggy are going to go out and enjoy it. And I’ll try not to think about Haleigh (or Aja, who is also really troubling me.)
against doc’s advice I have to stick around. it just feels like something could happen soon. i don’t know why i can’t just wait and let it happen. it makes no difference if I’m sitting around holding my breath or not. but here i am.
and here i go.
and i’ll be back later, in spite of myself.
Tuff stuff, I wonder if now that Lindsy has a laptop if she comes and lurks here? Wonder if she ever posts? I also wonder why its so quiet from both sides of the family, no one talking at all. Seems like everything has been
directed towards the drug busts and everyone is waiting for Misty to lay her egg( information) lol. jmo
Tobias, I am thinking that the family members are all quiet due to the fact that they know that their everyword will become polarized in the media especially after watching the jailhouse tapes on NG. If Lindsy were coming here and possibly posting I am pretty sure she would not reveal her identity, but who knows? If she had something of any significance to add maybe she would?
IMO Lindsy is the most well spoken one of the whole bunch.
Tuff stuff I was on the PCSO site and was reading the news about the 1 year investigation. I read the part about the interviews and DNA being taken from many of those interviewed and that there was no match or suspects. Go read it and let me know if thats the way you see it written too. Is there DNA that hasnt been matched to anyone yet? Thats the way I read it. jmo bbl
It must be very hard on Lindsy to sit back and watch this whole mess play out. Especially when she sees Misty taking jabs at her Husband all the time.
Terrible.
Lindsy has a problem with enableing Tommy I see Chelsea as the one with the most brains and she has for the most part gotten Timmy away from the rest of them.jmo
Hey all…is the giant Ron/Crystal conspiracy chatter over. Read that and my head about exploded. And the entrapment thing about made me blow a fuse. I decided it best not to post (and start World War III) so I’ve been waiting for that dust to settle. Sorry if I’m offending anyone but I’m not buying the Ron/Crystal conspiracy abduction theory….nor do I believe the drug buys/sales were entrapment…but that is JMVHO.
JB, I was wondering when someone would come back and say something. I had my umbrella all ready but no one showed up. I thought for sure there would be WWIII at any moment. I lust didnt have the energy to argue the truth so I just read and thought WTH are they thinking?
To me there are just a few people who were involved and thats why it has stayed a secret.
And they all would go to jail for whatever happened. jmo
Tobias that is possible, but probable, no. If there were dna found that matched to no one then I would think that LE would be hot and heavy trying to find out who’s DNA that might be even going so far as to publically state that there may have been an unidentified person in the area and even put out a public plea in case of a possible sighting by any local area businesses and/or residents. I could be wrong but that is my thoughts at this time.
Hey Tobias - Yes, I saw where they jumped you a bit…..I didn’t have the energy to argue either….I didn’t feel like jumping into the mix and getting beat to death….so I just stayed away.
We have conducted formal interviews with 76 different individuals who were identified as having possible information in the Haleigh investigation. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
218 separate interviews have been either audio or video recorded by investigators.
When situations have dictated, investigators have traveled out of state to conduct these interviews.
This is part of the statement on the PCSO one year news of Haleigh Cummings investigation.
The part about the DNA being collected and compared part is what has me questioning.jmo
To me it reads like there is DNA that is evidence that hasnt matched up to someone. Am I reading it wrong? jmo
Tobias,
I see what you mean. Also I am keeping in mind that some of the DNA collected may have been from previous occupants of the MH and even friends who had visited etc…
LE has to follow up on every small detail so ruling possibilities either in or out is critical right? That means they may possibly have to travel out of state even in order to investigate where those people were at the time Haleigh disappeared.
The comparing to me means that they were matching up the who’s who with DNA collected.
What you are saying is still possible. I’m not sure either way on that.
I’m also keeping in mind the possibility that the events of that night as they have been described by Misty may not have occurred at all. Were they even at the MH that night etc…?
Hello JB! (I just read up and saw your posts.)
Good afternoon everyone.
JB, I myself could not believe the conspiracy theory of Ron and Crystal. I for one do not believe this is entrapment. That is why LE chose to do 8 stings with these players; which mostly consisted of Ron and Misty. They even spoke of other drug deals they were going to make other than with the UC.
Tobias that is great insight to the finger print with the scar. That it could of been from Haleighs case not the B&E. I could see LE doing that.
Tobias - the way I read that is they collected DNA from many of the people….they compared the samples against evidence found….to me it sounds like they made matches and there was no “unknown” dna……or wouldn’t they have made a statement that says “DNA was found that could not be matched with any known persons who had been in the house”…..to me the fact that they have stated it was someone known to Ron and Misty and the fact that they’ve said foul play seems to indicate, at least to me, that the DNA does NOT point to someone outside the home or inner circle and that is why they stopped the search, made the statements they’ve made and started looking at Misty so closely….because there is nothing to indicate someone from outside came into the home…no stranger abduction….they could have other evidence as well plus Misty’s inconsistant stories…..But..JMO
I would even suggest the possibility that it didn’t happen at the MH that night as described is what I meant to say.
I see what you mean JB. By getting all the DNA and then matching it up with the evidence they could even rule out people being in the MH too. That may be why they have been on the players so hard and not on Sheffield/Griffis so much. Could also explain why they think Misty wasnt there that night too. I wished someone would tell on her for that, it would make it easier to solve. jmo
If someone came into the MH with gloves on and unlocked the door would it smear the prior prints already on the lock? I ask this question because if it does they could not get a readable print.
If there were no gloves at all then LE would know who locked the doors last. Right?
LFJ, Yes the gloves would smear or wipe the fingerprints off. Yes to the second question.
LFJ,
The conspiracy theory between R and C seems to incredibile to me. It’s to easy to have gone other legal routes to resolve issues.
Some people were concerned that R was a snitch even. If he were in such a predicament as suggested then why not play the snitch card on that rather than subject his family to being ripped apart in such a manner? Besides he and his Mother are very close it seems so IMO that would advise would never have come from TN. Besides TN had very negative indications towards C. What would have stopped C from weighlaying TN or R on the spot when she and KP were attempting to get custody? Especially after the Child support was paid off.
I could go on.
It is just to incredible to believe.
So the prints match either Mistys or Rons is my guess. They would of been on Tommy or Joe more intense if it were their prints. Correct?
Unless the prints were smeared while locking the dead bolt, remember it is hard to unlock and lock so your fingers could slip. But I am sure they would get a partial print to match either Ron or Misty.jmo
LFJ,
Wouldn’t there also likely be fibres or oils/powder found if a glove was used?
I’ve often wondered if Haleigh could have just walked out on her own and fallen into a hole, or locked herself up in an old fridge. If there is anything to the fact that MC wasn’t there that night, it is possible. Well, anything is possible at this point.
Possible Tuff. I am not sure. I was hoping someone would have better insight.
Even if the prints were smeared it is possible to get dna from a fingerprint.
The thing that always bothered me was why the bricked door. They came in they could slowly close the back door thus making no noise. Leave by the front door which is closer. And why didnt they shut off the kitchen light? jmo
Tuff, thanks for the info on that. I did not know that.
Incredibile isn’t it Tobias?
To me it screams staged. The whole brick in the door and the light being on.Beds supposedly made and if they slept earlier in the day what did they use for a blanket? Misty said she had to pull one down from the window.
So when did the regular blanket disappear?jmo
Hey all,
I have been trying to find statements made by neighbors and can’t find much. Even the limited amount available is not them saying anything on video…it’s reported that they said it, so it’s hearsay.
I saw two YouTube vids of the neighbor Ron had almost run down near the bus stop that Monday morning. Don’t know the guy but he appears credible to me. He said he asked Ron later why he had almost run them down and Ron replied he was stressed because his daughter was gone.
But, it had happened Monday morning; Haleigh did not go missing until that night or very early Tuesday morning. When the neighbor pointed this out, Ron then said Haleigh had spilled something on her shirt and needed it changed so he took off to do that. Neighbor could not understand why he took off in the opposite direction from the MH.
Anyway, something ruffled Ron’s feathers that Monday morning. It might just be he was still angry over Misty’s weekend binge, or that they were still arguing, whatever. Sure wish I could find statements by neighbors; the only other first-hand statement I found was a former neighbor saying Ron had been verbally abusive to Haleigh, but I am not too sure I can believe that person; former neighbors sometimes hold grudges and then later jump at any chance to smear.
Anyone who knows of any first-hand neighbor statements, I’d be interested in links. TIA.
Why was there a blanket in the van that “they” took? Who put it there?
And where was Lisa that night. Hospitals have rules about visitors leaving at a certain time and who picked her up to bring her home? No one says whether she was at Tommys that night.
Was she loittering at the hospital all night?
I know she was there the next day and Misty says Lisa was going to go home cause Hank was brought in by ambulance from the hospital. jmo
Cathartic, Mistys version of that morning differs from Rons. Misty said they got up late. She fixed eggs for the kids to eat. Haleigh wanted the outfit out at GGSykes home, so they drove to Welaka so she could wear the one she wanted. They took Haleigh to school and Misty walked Haleigh to her class. It was reported that Haleigh was late that day to school. Remind you Ron was already in trouble for Haleighs tardies and absences.
Tobias, Lisa was with Hank Sr. over in Gainseville at the Shands Hospital.
lfj,
Yes, their version differs from the neighbor’s version. That’s why I am asking, as the neighbor appeared credible. He did not bash Ron in any way, shape or form. He asked him about it at his (the neighbor’s) home when Ron walked over there to ask the neighbor’s dad to intervene with DCF on his behalf. The dad is with DCF.
Given there appears to be no bad blood between Ron and the neighbor, and that he did not bash Ron at all, I find his statement credible.
With Misty being gone on a 3 day binge and then staying up talking to Ron all those hours how much time could they have possibly slept in total? The Ron had to go to work that evening and according to reports it has been said that Misty did not want to babysit and allegedly TN even offered to pay Misty to babysit.
Was the reason why Misty did not want to babysit because she was to tired?
If so and no one else was available how could Ron trust Misty to babysit at all knowing she had been on that 3 day binge?
Is it possible that the reason why the blanket was in that van was because Misty took the kids in that van out to a place near Ron’s work so that she could be closer to Ron if she needed him to come out and correct the Children if needed? And also possible that Ron wanted to keep Misty close to him where he knew where she was the whole time?
It is not out of question for Misty to sleep in a van for goodness sake even she tells of living out of vehicles with her Parents etc…
From the state of the laundry I would have believed there were no clean clothes for Haleigh to wear as the truth. When did the van visit that day to have the blanket put in it?
Remember Misty pulled the other blanket off the window and washed it because the regular one was gone. Did the other blanket ever show up anywhere?jmo
Cathartic, I believe Jerry Santos is very credible. He also had done some prior tattoos for Ron personally.
I think Mistys version was a re-hearsed version. This version came out in her voice stress analysis months later.
I saw a news clip once where Ron admitted to hitting a bumper with his fist IIRC. I’ve looked for it but can’t seem to find it. I am wondering if the bumper he claimed to have punched were tested for blood splatter you might find like the injuries he had that were claimed to have come from punching the door or wall at the MH that night?
Well Tobias according to witnesses Misty had the van at 3:30pm to pick up the kids from the bus. I wonder when Chelsea and Timmy got their van back from Misty. Did Chelsea and Timmy have a saecond vehicle?
She seems extremely worried about getting the pee blanket part down right , she came across as panicky when she talked about it. And the part about why she woke up and not seeing the real time. Its a digital clock that has big glowing numbers for heavens sakes. 3 different versions of why she woke, two versions of where the kids slept, the movie in the PS wasnt the one she claimed to have put in,and doing laundry at 8-10 with no soap. Ron called at 8:30 I wonder if Haleigh was still awake or if she was really asleep like Misty claims?
Has anyone else noticed she doesnt talk about GGSykes coming over or Rons last phone call on her stress test? Could it be redacted? jmo
Chelsea and Timmy had the van because Hank wrecked their only car. I thought Ron was supposed to have been the one who picked up Haleigh that day? jmo
I would be interested to see the possible gaps in between the calls made from R to M.
Tommy still had a red truck.jmo
Also does anyone remember that a neighbor had stated that there was a car at Ron’s the whole night and if so which car and who’s car was it that they were talking about?
I do not understand why there had to be a rehearsed version at all. There was, yes, but WHY? Running late and having to rush because of it is understandable, given Haleigh’s school attendance issues.
Ron’s explanation to Santos does not make nearly running down people, and clipping another vehicle in the process, any more acceptable, so why not just tell it like it was?
Lies and inconsistencies permeate this case, and when people lie–especially small unnecessary lies–it’s a red flag to me.
Tobias the last report from Marlaina Shaivo on NG said it was Misty. This was reported after they were arrested.
Cathartic I agree with 100%. Why all these insignificant lies. There is a little girl missing!!!!
Must run for now. You all have a good day.
Tuff Stuff said,
in March 16th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Also does anyone remember that a neighbor had stated that there was a car at Ron’s the whole night and if so which car and who’s car was it that they were talking about?
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never heard it, can you point to where that was said. thanks
The possible lies could have simply been to cover a butt or two about things that did not directly have anything to do with this case but it’s possible that CYA was always the name of the game before Haleigh ever came up missing.
It could have also been a natural response and one that added extra hooks that they themselves were not even aware of?
Bye LFJ
vaquera,
I am asking if anyone else recalls that statement being made so no I do not have a link if that is what you are asking for. I’m looking for proof of it myself.
Tobias, there was a dark blue or purple car parked by the MH. Someone, I don’t remember who, said it was not a working vehicle. I saw it in one or two of the photos taken immediately after Haleigh went missing. Maybe that’s the car the neighbor saw.
looking for Justice said,
in March 16th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Well Tobias according to witnesses Misty had the van at 3:30pm to pick up the kids from the bus. I wonder when Chelsea and Timmy got their van back from Misty. Did Chelsea and Timmy have a saecond vehicle?
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well that’s not true. Capt. Schauland said on HLN back in March of last yr. that Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop and TJ confirmed it a month ago. I heard it and also read the transcript.
Santos and his girlfriend have changed their stories up since the first time told and they stories don’t match. Santos changed his story 3 times.
Sorry, that was for Tuff Stuff, not Tobias.
thanks tuff stuff.
For all we know the kids could have really been at GGMSykes until Monday morning when Ron and Misty went over to take her to School and bring Junior home. Jerry Santos said the windows were dark so he couldnt see the kids. He just saw Ron and Misty.jmo
Thanks much Cathartic. I knew I had seen something like that somewhere.
I don’t put much faith in newspaper articles; they the writer’s words; some are more accurate than others, but all are hearsay. Written transcripts too often contain errors. So, I am off to go play outdoors for awhile, then will resume my search for something verified or verifiable. Take care, all.
No entrapment. The investigation was started due to information that they were dealing perscription drugs. The UC just didn’t walk up to them out of the blue. They are going to do time. Time that is well deserved. Ron will be Bubba’s bitch and Misty will be passed around like a rag doll. Kinda like she was when she was out on the streets. Good ridiance, neither of them should be around children as drugs are important to them.
The purple car in the drive is Rons car that he used until he bought the white pick up.
I never understood why someone with kids to transport would by a single cab pick up as their primary vehicle? I own a extended cab and there is no way you can put more than 3 people in the front. And I would never have a kid up front because of the airbags.jmo
methinks said,
in March 16th, 2010 at 11:01 am
CENT!!!hello…thanks, I hope your feeling better*****************
Hey MeThinks… and everyone!
Still not feeling that great, but will pop in from time to time. BBL
tobias, Ron did not recently buy that truck. He has had it for a few years. For a number of years he has worked off & on for extra income for the tree and yard service. He needed a truck for that purpose. I do not KNOW why he didn’t buy an extended cab like yours. But my guess would be that it was more expensive and he bought what he could afford.
Many parents place their children in pick ups in the front seat. I raised 2 boys and I always drove a truck. The law regulates the safety of that. I don’t remember the details now but it is rated that so many inches tall are safe. If they are under that amt they need to be in a car or booster seat. Infants in infant carriers need to be strapped in backwards. That is something close but there is nothing to indicate that Ron was negligent in transporting his children in a truck.
Don’t worry about it, Treece. If we ever find out what kind of toothpaste R uses that will be wrong too.
nunz, your lack of character and manners are really being exposed here.
m2c, your statement would be funny if it weren’t so true. It is sad that the agenda to crucify Ron has gotten larger than just the truth and finding Haleigh.
Tuff Stuff said,
in March 16th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Also does anyone remember that a neighbor had stated that there was a car at Ron’s the whole night and if so which car and who’s car was it that they were talking about.
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It would be a good idea to find that neighbor since they would have to have been watching the house all night and must know who came and went and what happened to Haleigh.
WHAT? RON USED CLOSE-UP TOOTHPASTE!?!?! HANG HIM! LOL…sorry…couldn’t resist! LOL
Well, my theories changed often in the beginning, then I alternated between two likely scenarios for quite awhile. And now I am back to speculating on various theories again.
There just is not much VERIFIED information available. Even attorney statement might not necessarily be true and until I can find out how they verified the information, it’s hearsay.
LE said they had cleared some people but that was so long ago that maybe new evidence could have changed their thinking regarding certain people, and they just are keeping quiet about it. They are keeping quiet about everything, which leads me to believe they could have no real evidence, or they could have evidence they need to protect.
As for all the lies the citizens in question tell, I am viewing that from a different perspective than I was in the beginning. Initially, I thought they were lying because they were guilty of hurting Haleigh. I still think they might be lying about events of that night, but the lying about little, seemingly insignificant things, leads me to believe they lie all the time, about everything, out of habit. Lying and CYA is their normal MO.
I no longer see all the lies as a sure indication of guilt. It is what has not been said that might be more indicative.
All JMO.
I am not understanding why it is that the mere mention of a possible theory that may include Ron as a possible suspect it has quickly been addressed as an “agenda” to “crucify” Ron. What say you when Misty, Crystal or others are mentioned as possible suspects because I have and will still continue to look at all possibilities? …Not much.
I do have an agenda though I must admit. My agenda is to look at anything and everything to do with this case in an effort to try and piece together what may have happened to Haleigh.
Like it or not.
(I am sure what I just said might chap a few hides. What can I say? Sorry? No I am not sorry.)
mvho
Cathartic - I think I came into this case from the Casey/Caylee Anthony case where lies WERE indicators of the crime and saw all the lies that Ron, Misty and others were telling and immediately thought GUILTY….but I too have waffled on my theories and they continue to morph and change. Too little verified info and too much rumor running around to really be able to fine tune a theory at this point. But I keep trying! LOL
Nor I Tuff Stuff, And the Pick up was bought after Haleigh dissappeared. Ron owned another pick up that is broken down at TNs. And for some reason I always get accused of Ron bashing, I only made a statement and it wasnt directed as such.jmo
Tuff…hey, I’m still looking at Ron too! Don’t get me wrong! I have WAY too many unanswered questions to rule him out. I think he was a lousy father before Haleigh went missing and I think he was a pretty lousy father to JR. afterwards. (And YES, I believe Crystal is a lousy excuse for a mother as well).
I think people tend to look (and talk) about Ron more because that is where Haleigh was living when she went missing. I know I have focused on Ron a lot more than Crystal for that very reason. Some took it to be me crucifying Ron but it is just that things don’t add up and this happened on his watch. Not always a popular view but I still have it.
BUT, I do take into account what others say and try not to get tunnel vision as well. Points made about others including Crystal definitely have made me stop and think. But I am NOT buying the whole Ron/Crystal conspiracy where they got together and decided to plan an abduction. That makes absolutely NO sense to me. I suppose anything is possible but I just can’t get my mind wrapped around that theory…AT ALL!
As for Misty, if she had nothing to do with Haleigh going missing and has not withheld any information about that night, I would like to see her drug charges reduced so the mandatory minimum would not apply. If she is not guilty regarding Haleigh, she should be given a second chance on the drug issues. It might be good for her to do some time, but not 25 years.
If Misty gets reduced charges or goes through drug court and gets probation, her probation should have some strict conditions. She should be required to hold a job or be enrolled in classes to obtain her GED, among other things.
I empathize with Misty because of her upbringing. I had a lousy childhood similar to hers; not drugs in my case but alcoholic parents. I suffered the abuse of neglect and was a ward of the state for awhile. I graduated from high school but I was an angry young adult who did stupid things and got into a lot of trouble. I could have done prison time had it not been for a judge who saw my situation for what it really was, and proceeded accordingly.
If Misty is not guilty of anything re Haleigh, she deserves a chance at life, imo. She is nothing right now, but that does not mean she might not have potential to be something one day. That’s IF she did not hurt Haleigh or cover up in any way for anyone who did.
OK, I’m ready for my floggin’ !
I have noticed that Tobias. Funny thing is more than once I noticed the subject come up and if they did not want it discussed then they need to realize that their own opposition caused it to be looked at even more. It is what it is.
Tuff Stuff, I assume you are addressing that to me since I am the one that used the words “agenda” and “crucify”. If so maybe you should re read my post. It was not in reference to anyone stating a possible theory. It was in direct response to tobias’ rant about Ron driving a truck. I have read that same post on here over and over. It is just old, and it is just one of the things that Ron has been picked and pecked about that has nothing to do with this case or Haleigh.
I just get sick of it. Look at how many people have stopped posting here because of such. Yes, you are right you can state your opinion and so can I.
JB Close Up Toothpaste - lol
Not flogging you Cathartic. Matter of fact I value everyone’s thoughts and opinions and always do unless of course what is being said is just raw and off the charts wrong.
“Whoosh” Hopefully that did not just go over anyones head.
Cathartic - No Bloggin Noggin Floggin from me. I agree to some of the points you made but my anger about how she took care of (or didn’t) the kids, her lies and stall tactics, her actions and words while in jail, her drug use, etc., have all caused me to be a bit harsh with her. I guess because I have seen kids go through the same thing (some of which are in my family) but they got their act together and managed to stay out of trouble. It just seems to me she has had PLENTY of wake up calls but she keeps hitting the snooze button. I’m not sure anything will sink in with her UNLESS she is facing some hard time. Anything less than that she will not take seriously. She is too immature to see what she is doing to her life. I think if she was out of jail she’d be RIGHT back to her old ways. She is where she can get clean, stay away from the drugs and that is probably the safest place for her right now. I don’t believe for a minute she’s found religion, that she’s really going to stay out of trouble if she gets out, etc. I truly believe she’d be right back into the same activities. She needs to be AWAY from her family and old friends if she’s going to have a chance at life…IMHO anyway.
Treece - Maybe it was “Close-Up to Teeny Boppers” toothpaste! LOL
tobias said,in March 16th, 2010 at 1:40 pm The purple car in the drive is Rons car that he used until he bought the white pick up.
I never understood why someone with kids to transport would by a single cab pick up as their primary vehicle? I own a extended cab and there is no way you can put more than 3 people in the front. And I would never have a kid up front because of the airbags.jmo
This does not bash Ron in any way ,it is a general statement on transporting children in a front seat . It even states that bodily injury can occur to small children. jmo
treece if you are sick of it then why not just ignore it rather than take it to a level that appears to be attacking someone elses thoughts or ideas. I am embarrassed because I assumed you were addressing me and well it was just to easy to do considering the line of discussion.
Why do you take what folks are saying on a message board so personal anyway?
…Just asking.
cathartic, I totally agree with you if she is innocent on Haleigh. The idea that you present provides an opportunity for her to truly become an asset to society and live a productive life.
Prison is only going to darken her already deprived past.
Treece - I guess the fact of Ron driving a truck, the kids supposedly being in the truck with Ron and Misty during the road rage incident IS then an issue because there would only be three seatbelts and there were four passengers….I doubt ANY of them were wearing seatbelts during that incident.
To me it is a great indicator of how Ron cared for his children and how he endangered them at times. Whether it be with drug use, the people he allowed around him, weapons in the house, driving recklessly, having people like Misty who had an obvious drug problem and was a kid herself being responsible for caring for his kids, etc. These all draw a picture of what life was like for these kids. Their mother, an obvious drug addict bascially didn’t want or couldn’t care for them, they were shuffled around, heard things no child should have to hear, witnessed arguments, drug use, foul language, you name it. And I DO think those facts are important to figuring out this case and who might be responsible….and whether Ron’s actions contributed directly or indirectly to Haleigh’s disappearance. But again, that is JMVHO and not worth a darn thing. Just opinion…..not intended to ruffle feathers….not meant to offend…..just discussing the facts as we know them and trying to make sense of this case.
Tuff stuff, if you read my post it was explaining that Ron did not just buy that truck and it is perfectly legal and safe to take children in a pick up.
Okay…everyone is on edge. This case has ripped our hearts right out of our chests. We don’t HAVE to agree. We just have to be civil to one another because one thing we ALL have in common is we want to see this case come to a close and we either want Haleigh found safe and sound or justice for her.
JB I agree. I’m stepping away from the computer and my apologies if I have offended anyone in anyway.
Truly.
Tuff - don’t go away! We all just need to shake it off, shake hands and realize we’re ALL in this together. Again, don’t have to agree with each other but the least we can do is be kind to one another.
I’ll be back later to discuss the case with everyone. No hard feelings.
Tuff Stuff you have not offended me nor have anything to apologize about. However, it was very sweet of you.
Take care Tuff. See you later!
SEE? Now isn’t that better!? I feel Kumbaya coming on! Can you feel it? Now where is m2c with the chocolate? Time for some s’mores and a loud and proud round of Kumbaya!
Truce Treece. (Hey it rhymed all within one sentence though. lol
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Ahhhhh…..Hugs to Treece and Tuff! Can I fix you guys some S’mores….although we’re missing the chocolate….M2C…WHERE ARE YOU! Dang, she’s probably off in a corner eating all the dadgummed chocolate!
m2c♥ said,in March 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm Don’t worry about it, Treece. If we ever find out what kind of toothpaste R uses that will be wrong too.
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LOL! So true. Thanks for the giggle.
At least we don’t have to worry about what toothpaste Lisa uses! LOL
I guess it would be more like “gumpaste”…not toothpaste for her! Hee Hee
Misty is immature and never saw consequences for her actions. If she does a few years in prison, or is sentenced to a very strict probation knowing she will go immediately to prison upon her first screw-up, she will definitely be aware of consequences. Misty deserves a chance, unless she has done anything to harm Haleigh or covered up for anyone. However, I still believe she is involved regarding Haleigh; my second chance wishes for Misty only apply if she is not involved.
If Misty stayed home that night and really did sleep through whatever happened, I would not hold her accountable, because kids have been snatched from their beds while parents slept.
However, if Misty left those kids alone or took them out somewhere and something happened, or if she didn’t know what happened but found out later and is covering for someone, she should go to prison and never get out, imo.
I have some empathy for Misty, but Haleigh has my heart.
Dang…did my singing of Kumbaya run everyone off….again…..
JB, I was so hoping someone would donate dental services for her. I can hardly stand to watch her. She may have a chance at geting a job if she had some dentures too. jmo
Cathartic - I can agree with that plan…. let’s elect you judge! LOL You can get to the bottom of this, review the facts and if Misty was not involved…give her a fighting chance at a future. If she was involved…game over!
Tobias - LOL - I’m really surprised LP hasn’t gotten Lisa some teeth. I mean, he got Lindsey a laptop….how about some dang teeth for Lisa?!
Tobias, I too, couldn’t muster the energy on your attact to help much…and besides, I’ve seen you in battle and your pretty good at holding your own…LOL
Okay Methinks…we got the point! LOL - Just kidding! I’m glad that happens to someone else! I thought it was just me!
LOL@ JB saying “dadgummed”.
One more thing before I go… It would be something if Tobias, Treece and whomever else disagrees about wether Ron owned that dadgum truck before or after Haleigh came up missing, if all y’all could work together on figuring out where the factual information came from that helped either one of ya to develop your opinion. Not as in a fight but in an effort to solve the argument peacefully.
…Just a thought.
ok c-ya.
Dadgummit Tuff, that is a dadgummed good idea! Treece/Tobias…you up for that challenge?
Methinks , Are ya fellin better? I wonder what happened to Cathy Jo? She was so fun to talk with I hope she comes back, I miss her and she did find a lot of info too. jmo
JB said,in March 16th, 2010 at 4:34 pm …To me it is a great indicator of how Ron cared for his children and how he endangered them at times. Whether it be with drug use, the people he allowed around him, weapons in the house, driving recklessly, having people like Misty who had an obvious drug problem and was a kid herself being responsible for caring for his kids, etc. These all draw a picture of what life was like for these kids. Their mother, an obvious drug addict bascially didn’t want or couldn’t care for them, they were shuffled around, heard things no child should have to hear, witnessed arguments, drug use, foul language, you name it. And I DO think those facts are important to figuring out this case and who might be responsible.
JB, you are 100% right. But, in spite of all this, if you look at the many pics of Ron & Haleigh (and also Jr, but especially Haleigh), you can see love and admiration in this little girl’s eyes for her Daddy. This is what hs struck me from the start. They aren’t just pictures with staged smiles; they are caught in the moments of camraderie and love. I was lucky enough to see the Dunne’s Creek video before it disappeared and saw Jr cuddle up with his Dad like a puppy. He wiggled and snuggled and draped himself all over his father, who responded with total comfort and protection.
Somehow, despite all the familial recklessness and shortcomings in their lives, these kids got the message that they were undoubtably loved. I just wish that this whole mess had sent a jolt thru the parents and made them clean up their acts bigtime.
I wonder what it would sound like for Lisa Croslin to say “dadgummit”….probably wouldn’t be pretty! But it certainly would be funny!
edited by BNN Editor Jan Barrett - I have deleted this comment simply because we allow all thoughts and opinions here. Defending one or the other side of the family does not show a lack of character, it show willingness to look at all angles in the case that are possible. Please refrain from making any argumentative statements from now on.
JB, Misty is on her way to being toothless too. She had 3 teeth pulled when she was with Donna B and she didnt have to pay for it either. It seems everyone is having tooth problems Tomy needs one pulled and Ron talks about his too. jmo
Aligoo…yes, I’ve seen that love in Haleigh and Jr’s eyes for their daddy. Unfortunately, just like with a puppy, a child’s love is unconditional. You push them away they come running back. You hit them and they tell you they love you. You scream at them and they give you a hug. They would have looked at Ron that way, IMHO, if he had beaten them every day with a 2 X 4 (NO, I’M NOT SAYING HE EVER DID THAT). Don’t get me wrong…I think they loved their daddy and at times I think he was a good daddy. But what else had they ever known? Everyone around them was a druggie, had tempers, cussed like sailors, fought and screamed at each other…..that was “normal” for these kids. And kids love their parents….I’ve seen kids that WERE beaten, battered, neglected, belittled, etc., and they still defend their parents to the death. They look at them lovingly and think they are lucky to have them as parents. So why it is touching to see those videos and pictures….I tend to be a tad bit skeptical that all was peaches and cream for these kids. I don’t doubt they loved him…but how much of that love he (or Crystal or Misty or anyone in their lives) really deserved is somewhat questionable.
JB & Tuff stuff your humor is nice. I have truly laughed out loud. My hubby is on his way to get me to go to dinner so I have to run. But I will come back tonight and post that info for you. I will have to find it or I would post it right now. I have already posted it before when Ron was accused of using the child support money to buy the truck. I posted links showing the truck long before that money was paid. As soon as I did that it changed to the safety of the truck.
Okay Nunz…no S’mores for you! NO ATTACKING Dadgummit! Gotta go folks….someone take over the S’mores for me….or throw them at the next person who starts picking fights! UGH!
NIGHT ALL! Kumbaya my Lord….Kumbaya…..
Thanks Treece - take care and chat with you soon! HUGS!
sorry, for the double post…sometimes i studder..laughing to myself….
Tuff Stuff @ 4:09 - That’s not what I’m saying. It’s the constant, practically obsessive criticism of ANYTHING R. Meaning, for example, even the type of truck he bought.
It goes on and on and on. For month after month.
Theories of the case are an entirely different and certainly legitimate matter to consider and discuss etc. No question about that.
Also, Tuff Stuff, you said, “I do have an agenda though I must admit. My agenda is to look at anything and everything to do with this case in an effort to try and piece together what may have happened to Haleigh.”
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That is my purpose here, too. That’s why I have about seven theories. I try to piece together what we know or think we know - like puzzle pieces - in different ways to see how they work (including various roles/responsibities R may have had).
What I was referring to earlier is something quite different and actually has nothing to do with theories of the case - just hatred for all things R. What purpose that obsession has I have no idea but I’ve witnessed it for I don’t know how many months now.
Smores all around everyone bbl
tobias said,in March 16th, 2010 at 4:29 pm tobias said,in March 16th, 2010 at 1:40 pm The purple car in the drive is Rons car that he used until he bought the white pick up.
I never understood why someone with kids to transport would by a single cab pick up as their primary vehicle? I own a extended cab and there is no way you can put more than 3 people in the front. And I would never have a kid up front because of the airbags.jmo
This does not bash Ron in any way ,it is a general statement on transporting children in a front seat . It even states that bodily injury can occur to small children. jmo
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nunz said,in March 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm Lack of character treese? Anyone defending Ron or Misty shows a lack of character. Their lack of responsibility in almost everything they do shows me how useless they are. Jr surely doesn’t have much of a role model when it comes to his Dad does he?
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Surely you’re not suggesting Crystal is a good role model? Hopefully she’ll be more responsible now that DCF are active in the welfare of Jr. and Chloe.
A redundant statement imo.
awwwwwwwwww Happy Birthday beautiful&adams, wishing you a wonderful fun-filled day and a terrific year ahead.
cathartic,
You sure won’t get a flogging from me re your views about Misty. I feel the exact same, and wish a responsible loving adult would have helped her out after all this started rather than the many adults who came into her life, using her for their own publicity, betraying her trust and trying to set her up. I will always be at a total loss re how anyone could not feel sorry for her with the upbringing she had. If she had nothing to do with Haleigh going missing, I hope she launches a massive lawsuit against NG, and receives counselling to assist her in cutting ties with her toxic family. And I do hope she finds some adults that she can love and trust, and that are worthy of that trust.
I worked with a kid many years ago that got involved with the wrong kids and found herself facing very serious armed robbery charges. The court gave her a break (she was found not guilty, which was the right result…the LE in that case were not very bright and listened and believed another deadbeat kid who was the actual perp)….she just finished her last law exams and is going on to get a Masters Degree in Law now.
JB said,in March 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm Tuff - don’t go away! We all just need to shake it off, shake hands and realize we’re ALL in this together. Again, don’t have to agree with each other but the least we can do is be kind to one another.
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Yes, that is the great thing about this site and the posters here that sets us apart from all the other forums. Almost all of us have different opinions and theories (which doesn’t happen elsewhere), yet somehow, for the most part, we are able to discuss them in a civilized respectful manner. When I read at other places, I just shake my head and am so glad I am not a part of it. There is more than one forum where the only posters left all share the exact same theories and opinions. We don’t want that to happen here!
Aligoo,
I totally agree. Haleigh and Jr were obviously very loved by Ron and appeared to be happy and thriving children. It seems he cleaned up his act in a big way when he took on the responsibility of caring for them. Sadly, he appears to have slipped after Haleigh’s disappearance, which is not that surprising. I can’t imagine how horrific this has been for him. He’s certainly not the first parent to turn to drugs to help cope with a situation like this.
I want to throw a theory out there. I believe Kate had a good theory with the Sheffield clan being responsible, but instead of Ron being involved. Maybe Misty was the true conspirator by leaving the door open for the possible abductors. That was her role, nothing more, nothing less. She hated babysitting so for Haleigh to be “taken”. One kid gone, and Jr would not be far behind. No kids–Party time and ALONE time with her main squeeze (sorry if the humor offends anyone)! Both kids are alive and safe and she doesn`t have to waste her time raising someone else`s children. Problem solved for her and the Sheffields.
I dont for one minute think Misty just left a door open and that was the end of her involvment, no way, I know she is stupid and all, but she knew a missing child would bring all this attention, and no way would she ever be able to “loose” Jr. the same way,without really causing trouble, she isnt that crazy.
I also dont believe for one half of second that The Sheffields were involved in any way, nope, Thats just crazy, these kids were not a problem for the Sheffields, and Crystal still had to pay the child support that she owed after this happened.
I still believe that Ron and Misty, and perhaps one other person knows exactly what happened that night an it will eventually come out.
jojo,
Actually, she didn’t have to pay the child support…the contempt proceedings were stopped almost immediately, and an anonymous donor paid it for her. Plus, she has life insurance on Haleigh and perhaps saw Haleigh disappearing as the answer to her problems. Not to mention, they started a foundation almost immediately (left the Anthonys in the dust in terms of how quick they did it) and within 5 weeks, Crystal was a “vice president” and her mom a “president”. Plenty of motive for that family to do this.
I don`t think anyone involved would think the publicity would be as big as it is. Cystal did not pay that child support. A rich benefactor did. She now has Jr so she has no support obligations. She was facing jail time for failure to pay child support so she had the motive, means, and opportunity,
i wish everyone could respect every one else’s theories. there are too many possibilities, too few pieces of facts (from LE) for everyone to attack each other. we all need to be open to all theories. and if you are going to defend your theory make sure you have documented LE proof. i think we all are so emotionally involved in wanting justice for haleigh we get edgy, pissy, bitchy, whatever else you want to call it. unfortunately, i think its a waiting game now. plz, lets all remember what draws us here. dont make jan and simon have to mod this blog to the point they shut it down. the joking about attacks from other bloggers is based on ppl coming here and posting incorrect facts or defending one side or another. plz respect others opinions and dont cause this one truthful blog to be shut down. I-M-O.
I’m glad to see this post getting the attention it’s gotten.
They can’t lock our hearts….
That door was picked to lead or carry Haleigh away because of its seclusion. Crystal`s “non reaction” and imminent jail time makes me believe the Sheffields are involved.
the answer is - ‘Stranger’ abduction..the cops ruling that out was one of their many serious blunders. Every theory here is family related, big mistake. Remember Jon Benet Ramsey? The cops were POSITIVE it was the parents thereby wasting valuable time..the same has happened with Misty, vilified by NG to the point of poisoning the jury pool..what happen to “innocent til proven guilty”?
OJ–With no body or remains found, that leads me to believe it is a family abduction. But it is very possible a stranger did this. I havent ruled it out (its a strong second to me). About Misty, I wholeheartedly agree. They have villified her to no end with absolutely no proof (or none they are reporting). Misty has made them their focus with her own words and ever changing stories. The Sheffields are too suspicious to me just to ignore.
robin,
ITA. And I also factor in the life insurance and Haleighbug when considering them the most likely suspects. I really don’t get how anyone who just discovered their daughter was missing could make starting a foundation and trashing their ex non-stop their top priority. Who has ever heard of a foundation being started for a missing child by the family within 4 weeks of their disappearance? Mind boggling.
IMO, it should be against the law to try to start a foundation in the name of your missing child within at least 1 year of that child going missing. I fear the As gave people ideas, like perhaps the Sheffields and the Griffis about making kids go missing to cash in.
OJ,
ITA, but not sure it was a stranger. Though I obviously feel it is still a real possibility and have posted that many times before. Every RSO for miles was cleared within the first few days. How could that be possible?
Yep, NG & her constant “Misty was the last person to see haleigh alive” stuff is driving me bonkers. That woman needs to be sued real bad. I hope the Ducketts are successful against her, and I hope the Duke boys line her up as soon as the Ducketts are done.
Happy Birthday cent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kate W. here, hi OJ’s glove, just wanted to let you know that I, for one, was POSITIVE that Jon Benet Ramsey’s parents WERE NOT INVOLVED. But then one some of the things that contributed to my reasoning made me say, “Wow, I was wrong. Hmm.” But then that latest touch DNA stuff came out and, nope, turns out I wasn’t wrong. But when I thought I was, no problem.
Happy Birthday, Cent!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have a great day and a terrific year. Blow out the candles and make a wish :).
Oh, can’t stay. Enjoyed reading all of your ideas today. Be well.
Happy Birthday Cent!!!
Hope you are having a healthy, happy day!
kate W…well of course, I could be wrong and I would accept that, but to be part of a lynch mob mentality I refuse to participate..I want to look at this with eyes wide open not as NG or the police would prefer I view it..they want a scapegoat for their blunders and its Misty.
BAcent, I love your humor. I love your heart!!!
I am proud to call you friend!!
Happy, Happy Birthday to YOU!!!!
Ok so a rich woman came forward and paid Crystals back child support, so she knew that was gonna happen?Also, if she did have insurance on Haleigh, she has no proof she is dead so thats out, she cant collect on it.LE has said she is not suspect, so, how come when they say Ronald isnt suspect it is law, but when they say the same for Crystal, it is looked over? I just dont see Crystal as having anything to do with HaLeighs dissapearance, it happened at Ronalds home with his choice of caregiver and it is her who had something to do with this child being gone.
I’m back but I guess that I am the only one here right now. Yesterday I really agreed with all the comments about Ron not being in on agreeing about a custody switch. The only reason I needed that was to understand Ron’s motivation for being involved. Because there are so many things that, put together, make him look awfully guilty. So to those of you who agree that Ron looks awfully guilty, just pretend that someone suggests to Ron some plan along these lines. Would money be enough motivation for him to agree to this? Or, he didn’t necessarily agree to what actually happened, he just had to agree to something that gave the kidnappers what they needed, access to the house. And all that stuff about Joe and the gun. If that wasn’t about setting the stage for this, how does it fit in? Or is it just conincidental?
OJ’s glove, until Sunday afternoon I thought that NG was totally and unfairly convicting Misty in a TV court. And I still think NG is a terrible person. (Although that is a problem for me to think because after last week and the way she treated Misty, I was never going to watch her show again. But I was weak and watched her tonight. So I think that makes me a terrible person too.)
Anyhow, I suddenly realized that it didn’t have to be EITHER one set of culprits OR another. There is the possibility, although less likely, that multiple people or multiple groups of people are involved.
So now I’ve been taking another look at Misty and Ronald because before Sunday I was thinking it was not them.
jojo, No, I sure don’t think anyone saw Barbara from Texas forking over $or whatever coming. I’m not sure exactly what their plan was, and I’m not sure that they did either. Because they sure didn’t anticipate the media attention that made the whole thing go sideways.
I do think that there were attempts to make her look dead, like the staged search at the church in San Mateo. I can’t quite figure out what they were trying to achieve there but because you said what you did, leads me to wonder if they were trying to make Haleigh look dead. Maybe they could have collected on the insurance policy after a period of time even if no body was ever found? I don’t know how thier policy was set up or how typical policies are set up.
My guess is that it doesn’t matter what LE has said, “the world is still a suspect.” If they actually say that they have ruled out this person or that person, I think that it is strategic. You know that saying, “Give ‘em enough rope and let ‘em hang themself” or something like that.
And what you say at the end about it happening at Ronald’s house with his choice of caregiver, such an important point. ITA!!!
Kate:
I can overlook some coincidences, but not so many. I don’t think Ron was in on a kidnapping, but I do see the staging of all of this. That could have happened after an accident happened to Haleigh, however.
I believe that the only reason Ron would have been in on a kidnapping would be to let Crystal take Haleigh, then in time, Jr. I believe the only reasons he would have gone along with this was to keep Misty. He may have known his mother and grandmother would be down on him if he just turned the kids over to Crystal. I don’t think this is what happened, however, but that could have been one motive.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE BIRTHDAY WISHES… I’M OFF TO BED, ALL THE MEDICATION KEEPS ME DROWSY. I LITERALLY AM TYPING WITH ONE EYE CLOSED… IN ORDER TO SEE STRAIGHT.
MY LOVE IS SENT TO YOU ALL!!!!
Happy Birthday, Cent!
Sweet dreams, Cent.
Karon, yes, definitely, the staging could have been about having to cover up a fatal accident. Well, some of the staging. Some of the staging that I am thinking about started a few days before Haleigh went missing. It really looks like Ron was trying to set up Cuz Joe with the fight over the gun. I’m not entirely sure of the details anymore, though.
Good night, all. I’ve got to sleep. Nice to chat, Karon.
Do we really know when the fight over the gun happened? All we have for so much of this case is statements from people close to the main players, and alot of that has been lies. I really haven’t made up my mind on any of it, because we don’t have all of the pieces of the puzzle.
About the alleged fake search.
How do we know exactly who staged that search if indeed it were staged?
So far we have heard Cobra’s eye witness account of what he experienced as well as hearing from a woman with a dog and then Lt. Greenwood who said something to the affect that whomever did it must have had their own agenda?
Who is to say that information about that area of where the alleged fake search wasn’t intentionally leaked by whomever to see how those people would respond? That in itself would be an agenda if it were the case. I am certainly interested to know actual facts about that whole hinky situation and not just opinions only kwim?
Tuff Stuff,
One of the people who posts here and has been posting elsewhere on this case from the beginning was involved in the search and reported it to LE shortly after it occurred. I believe Cobra gives basically the same story she does.
Also, it wasn’t Greenwood that spoke of the search, at least he didn’t as far as I know. It was PCSO Major Gary Bowling. And he said a lot more than that! His interview is on youtube and it’s worth a listen to. It led me to believe LE were looking at that side of the family very closely. And shortly after that, I think it was Greenwood, made the comments about LE not having tunnel vision.
Thanks me. I am very tired and you are correct it was Major Bowling and not Lt. Greenwood.
As for the rest I am still interested to know facts vs opinion on that. I cannot possibly be the only one who is curious.
If it were posible that the info was intentionally leaked about that area then there would very potentially be the proof that LE does not and did not have tunnel vision as some have suggested.
…Just saying.
ITA. Just saying though that you can watch Bowling and form your own opinion as to whether he thinks it happened or not. I didn’t pay much attention to what others said about it, but certainly formed a view after I listened to what he said about it, and the way he says it. It’s kind of an interesting interview and I thought he might be dropping some hints in it. I’d be curious to hear what others think. We can all hear the same thing, but all hear different things…kwim?…lol.
Exactly me. Well I better call it a night. My alarm goes off way to early sometimes.
The view I formed, or what I thought I read between the lines from him, was, “don’t think we aren’t clever…we didn’t miss that….we do everything for a reason.” And then just a few weeks later TJ was talking about how he’d heard Chad was being looked at again, and when he spoke to LE, they refused to confirm or deny it. And it was also around that time they made the tunnel vision statement. I really think they are looking well beyond Misty, Ron & their families, no matter what Art Harris tries to sell us!
good nite tuff stuff!
me, I do trust and believe that LE does look at every possible theory and clue. LE cannot confirm nor deny a lot of things pertaining to an ongoing investigation. When I hear that it means that they are doing their job.
I am admittedly tired so forgive me if what I am about to say comes out a mess.
Assuming can blind people to the truth. Look at what happened to me today when I assumed something incorrectly. It was very embarrassing. I do assume things sometimes too and knowing that I have that weakness can only make me try even harder to look at things more openly and more objectively.
Goodnight me.
I think we all make wrong assumptions from time to time…we’re not having face to face discussions, so sometimes we misinterpret what people are saying or who they are saying them to. I think we all get that!
Good morning, everyone.
Can anyone point me to the info re:life insurance on Haleigh? If I’d heard that before, I’d forgotten it. If that’s true, how “normal” is that? I don’t have children, so I have no idea.
Also, if the life insurance thing is true, don’t those policies generally have a clause for someone who is missing to be declared, after a given amount of time, “dead?”
thewoodlandlark:
To sum that up:
- I don’t think it’s a known FACT that someone on the biomom side has life insurance on Haleigh.
- IF someone does, then for how much?
- The answer to that may determine whether it’s “normal” (as in many parents do that for several reasons - to pay burial costs if necessary, to start a little nest egg that can be cashed in later if not needed for its original purpose)
- How much are the monthly payments for such a policy for Haleigh (did ins company know about her Turner’s Syndrome or not?)
- Does anyone have life insurance on Jr, too?
- There may be a law about how long someone has to be “missing” before they can be declared “dead” in order to get the insurance money. I am sure the insurance company will be as slow to pay out as they can possibly be.
So, in short, IF anyone has life insurance on Haleigh, it should be a long time before they could collect (IMO)
m2c, thanks very much. Where did people get the idea that Crystal had/has life insurance on Haleigh? Do you know? I’m just curious because I hadn’t really heard that before.
I find all matters of insurance to be baffling — I didn’t know a policy could be cashed in later, for example. All that sort of stuff is way over my simple head.
It seems doubtful to me, though, because Crystal doesn’t seem much like a plan-for-the-future or plan-for-the-unexpected sort of person. If there is a life insurance policy for Haleigh, I doubt it was Crystal’s idea.
I don’t think we have confirmation that anyone has life insurance on Haleigh…BUT….it is cheap, easy to get and very common. When you have a child you receive TONS of these offers in the mail. For $20 to $30 a year you can insure your child for $10,000. The policies build cash value (meaning you can take loans on them or cash them in) and when your child becomes an adult you can transfer ownership of the policy to them. It guarantees they are insureable in the future. It could be someone in the family (either side) took out one of these policies out of nothing but love.
Another scenario is that they knew Haleigh was sick and took out the policy to cash in. I don’t like to think of that scenario but with this bunch who knows.
In summary, I do not believe we have ANY confirmation there even IS a life insurance policy or who supposedly purchased it and is beneficiary of the policy. Just rumor as far as I know!
I just read this and found it informative re: life insurance for children.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/insurance/kids-life1.asp
Now I am even more curious to know if this is true or not. It seems so very unlikely. I would love to know from whence this notion came.
Hey me!!
Where did you hear/read Crystal has a life insurance policy on Haleigh?
JB, it is apparently not very common.
When I sit back and think about this case I really have to feel sorry for LE. What a mess! Normally in a case like this there is ONE suspect and LE just has to build a case. In this circus EVERYONE looks guilty by their actions, words and behavior. There is so much criminal activity In Ron’s, Misty’s and Crystal’s family that LE has their hands full just keeping up with the daily crimes, much less have time to deal with the missing child investigation.
These people (ALL OF THEM) lie about things that seem so trivial that one is lead to believe that they lie just to lie…..so LE gets NO assistance from those closest to Haleigh. There are so many twists and turns and people trying to cover up crimes that no one is telling the truth. I don’t know how LE is supposed to make heads or tails of this mess. I mean, even who picked Haleigh up that morning is a mystery. They can’t even get that story straight. Then there is the mess of was Misty home that night or not, the phone calls, the knocking on the door and getting no answer, the rumors of where Misty was and who she was with. I mean, this is madness! The people that SHOULD be an open book and be sharing every little detail about their whereabouts, converstations, what they saw, who they talked to, etc….are the ones that are throwing road block after road block up in LE’s way.
In a normal child abduction (if there is such a thing) you don’t see so much obvious deceit and huge number of possible suspects. This truly is a nightmare for LE when you think about it.
Thewoodlanddark - having a life insurance policy on your child is uncommon? I don’t think so! We had this conversation on here the other day and most of the posters had policies on their kids. I have one on my son! Got it when he was born through Gerber. So I polled 25 of my co-workers….of that 25, 19 had at least one policy on their child. I actually have the one through Gerber and one through work for my son. I have a huge one through work on my life. It IS common and it is cheap. When I had my son I probably received 8 or 10 offers for insurance for him. They are all small policies and allow you to transfer the policies over to them when they become an adult. Should your child, God forbid, develop some life threatening childhood illness, they are covered. If not, they’ve got a small nestegg when they turn 21 and guaranteed insurability. It is a win, win situation and it IS VERY common.
the woodlandlark @ 8:24
You said, “Crystal doesn’t seem much like a plan-for-the-future or plan-for-the-unexpected sort of person. If there is a life insurance policy for Haleigh, I doubt it was Crystal’s idea.”
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I agree. I think MG and Johnny/Marty Sheffield do all the “thinking” for her.
Also, I don’t know if C actually has the policy or if one of the grandparents does (like MG or J/M Sheffield) IF it’s even true.
But you can’t judge anything by whether C would be capable - that’s irrelevant as long as MG and J/MS are pulling the strings.
JB… I am curious about the income bracket of the people you polled. I would guess that the parents you polled also have adequate health and life coverage for themselves, as well. I don’t think a poll of your colleagues and the people who frequent BNN is a representative sample of the general population of the US.
Also, I apologize for having missed the previous discussion here regarding this topic. I have to take a break now and then, but I wish I’d been around for that one.
Jan, I guess it was OK to question my character. How about this? Instead of refraining from making statements you feel was aimed at someone that question my character, I won’t post here at all. LOL…..the nunz…gets the boot again!!!
JB - About the lying and stuff. LE knows who took Haleigh to school and who picked her up. And LE has “seemed” satisfied that R was at work (or so it seems to us). M has stuck to her story of being at home asleep - she’s changed other little parts of that story (sleeping arrangements, why she got up etc).
Why do people like MG lie about Chad’s whereabouts? Does SHE have an alibi?
And then there are the totally unexplained and apparently ignored mysteries like - who put that make-shift chair in the woods? That really gives me the creeps.
m2c — I thought it was determined the makeshift chair had been there for quite a while? I don’t know — I could be confused there. I guess this doesn’t bother me much because I spend a lot of time in the woods and not only come across odd things but sometimes make them myself. I did that sort of stuff a lot when I was a kid.
Uh, what did I miss with Nunz?
Thewoodlanddark - true, the people I work with here are mostly middle class. But the policies ARE cheap. I think some of the people here said that even though they were broke and didn’t have much when their kids were born, they could afford these policies. But, since we don’t even know whether there is a life insurance policy I guess the point is moot! LOL
m2c - I’m sure LE has alibi’s for all the key players but we just don’t know about them. But I SURE would love to know the alibi’s (as they were provided AND verified to LE) for ALL of the key players. That would make it MUCH easier for us to fine tune our theories!
And the chair thing gives me the heebie jeebies too….even if it was there a long time….just CREEPY!
Especially with all the SO’s in the area…BLUCK! CREEPS!
thewoodlanddark - I guess we’re starting to see where you got your name! LOL JUST KIDDING!
“I guess this doesn’t bother me much because I spend a lot of time in the woods and not only come across odd things but sometimes make them myself. I did that sort of stuff a lot when I was a kid.”
I would still like to know how this life insurance thing got started. Where did this info/rumor originate?
I’ll be back later, all. Have a lovely Wednesday.
thewoodlanddark, I wanted to ask,and you certainly don’t have to answer, but what compels you to spend time in the woods? I love the woods, and have spent upwards of six months at a time camping (living) in the woods. Granted, at the time , I was homeless, but in my life, I have learned that homelessness, is a state of mind…(for me) I love it! Is it your work or just a love that draws you to it? just curious. I know it’s off topic, but I just couldn’t help myself…Iwish I were young again, I would certainly take my heart back to the woods where it always seemed happiest. I’m sorry…now I’m babbling!
Wait woodland! don’t leave yet…read one more comment please!
JB - when my family sold the property “out in the boonies” where I spent the early part of my childhood, the people who moved in wandered across some of my rock piles and twiggy teepee sorts of things in the woods behind the house. Supposedly they were worried the rock piles were graves and were considering digging!! Luckily my grandfather still lived down the road a bit and was able to explain to his new (and unnerved) neighbors that a six year old kid had made those.
I had no idea at the time they could creep out a person, but thinking back on it now… yeh… a little creepy.
I was just a kid playing, though. My early childhood was spent largely unsupervised and solitary save for a few good canine companions. And I still love the woods.
I’m sorry everyone…and GOOD MORNING!!!!I didn’t mean to go off topic as I did, but man when someone metions the forest as a hobby or a passion…well i just get excited in memories of my times in the woods. The missippi river, the pine river…oh I just loved it!
I grew up out in the country too! A lot of woods and pasture land. I had paths worn through the woods and there were downed trees from tornados that made awesome hiding places. Made little forts and would pack a sack lunch and eat in the forts….even had a chipmunk that would share my lunch with me. I was solitary most of the time too. I loved to be very, very quiet and still and watch birds, rabbits, squirrels, etc….. even had a pet bluejay and a pet squirrel when I was little! LOL TOTALLY off topic but I was drawn in with the prior posts! I’m still a tomboy! LOL
methinks….NO PROBLEM! I think we’re all taking a stroll down memory lane…except our memory lane goes through the woods! LOL
thewoodlanddark, Thats a neat story…and very similar to my own youth…only I continued to be drawn to it even as an adult fighting society’s rules that I didnt see as imortant until I got into my fortys….and then rehab…chuckle. I hope I’m not scaring anyone away…LOLOl I’ll stop now and even go away if you so wish… again…lol
Thanks JB, I was starting to wonder if the patty wagon was gonna’ pull up in my “real” yard and haul me away!! lol
methinks! NO! Don’t go away! I’m sure woodlanddark will enjoy your posts upon return. I think this just shows our “kindrid spirits” and there is nothing wrong with that. My childhood was WONDERFUL! Safe, secure, from a loving home and the world was a wonderful place for me. I feel children such as Haleigh and Jr. were/are robbed of that innocense and that makes me sad. A childhood should be carefree and worry free. Nature should play a big role in a childhood as it was EVERYTHING to me. I never wore shoes and was outside from dawn until dusk. Chasing lightening bugs on summer nights, a big tree swing, picnics, helping my folks in our garden, the smell of burgers cooking on the grill, riding my bike down twisting dirt roads…..ahhhh, the memories of a picture perfect childhood! *sigh*
methinks…well if they come for you they better show up and grab me and woodlanddark too! Maybe we can share a padded room together and swap childhood stories!
While out browsing the web I saw NG says Tommy is really fired up about taking a poligraph to clear his name. Seems he is really gonna finally do it. jmo
JB< sounds good to me!
Goodmorning everyone.
JB you are absolutely correct on your 8:41am post. These families should be open books for LE and you would think Haleigh would mean more to them. They live a such a shady life that they feel they need to protect themselves, instead of telling LE everything they need to help find little Haleigh. What a selfish bunch of people to have for a family. This is just putting it nicely. What I really think of them would not be appropiate to write here on this blog!!!
methinks,
I love the woods, I think, because of my childhood. I was a really happy kid early on and so I think it connects me to that time. Everything really started to fall apart for me around age seven, but before that, in the woods alone or with the dogs, I was free. The older the woods, the better. I like all sorts of woods, but I love best old-growth woods all moist and mossy.
I am now too spoiled by creature comforts to spend months at a time camped out. I’m a homebody now. I’ve only been homeless once, for a two-week period, and I spent the nights in my car in an urban area. No fun. I wasn’t familiar with the area so I didn’t know of anywhere nice and wooded to go there.
Oh, and I have several moss terrariums and am building a rock garden with mosses and other cryptogams. I was a horticulture major in college, but alas I am a dropout.
Methinks, do you mind telling me where are these woods you lived in? Most of my time in the woods has been in West Virginia. I’ve lived on and off in Florida as well, and am very well aware that the “woods” in Florida are entirely different beasts than the ones where I grew up.
Sorry, everyone, for all the off-topicness. I wish I had something meaningful to contribute today.
G’mornin’ Tobias! Maybe I’ll go read the transcripts from NG’s show. Never watch her anymore. I can’t take the faces she makes, the sound of her voice or the way she treats guests so I just stick to transcripts! They don’t give me headaches or make me want to throw things! LOL
WOW, tobias thats interesting news. I would be skeptical if I were him…being so close to the investigation, stress and nervousness can cause some to appear untruthful even when they’re not.
JB said,in March 17th, 2010 at 9:51 am G’mornin’ Tobias! Maybe I’ll go read the transcripts from NG’s show. Never watch her anymore. I can’t take the faces she makes, the sound of her voice or the way she treats guests so I just stick to transcripts! They don’t give me headaches or make me want to throw things! LOL
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It does make sense for Tommy if he isnt involved to take the poli. If he passes it will be easier to do his time, no one likes a person who may be responcible for hurting a child when they are in prison. This also would put more heat on Misty for lying.jmo
JB… do you mind pointing me to where the NG transcripts can be found? I can’t watch her, I really, really can’t, but I realize something important could be said there. It seems less likely as time goes on, but it is possible.
She makes me crazy(er.)
Tobias, thats true, but it seems these guys aren’t very good at telling or even recognizing the truth…so I wonder if anyone would believe them if they did pass…Even LE might not take it for an indication of innocense simply because they’ve got it imbedded into their heads that he knows something.
to reiterate..the answer is - ‘Stranger’ abduction..the cops ruling that out was one of their many serious blunders. Every theory here is family related, big mistake. Remember Jon Benet Ramsey? The cops were POSITIVE it was the parents thereby wasting valuable time..the same has happened with Misty, vilified by NG to the point of poisoning the jury pool..what happen to “innocent til proven guilty”?
methinks, you needn’t worry what I’ll think… I’m a reformed wild child, and still kind of a trainwreck as an adult. Looney bin, rehab, and so on. I think it might be why I’m often too tolerant of the Croslin/Cummings/Sheffield antics (beyond what pertains to Haleigh, anyway.) My upbringing and adolescence et cetera pales next to this bunch — but little they do actually surprises me.
OJ’s glove…dang, you’re like a broken record….I think you just have one comment and you just cut and paste it over and over! LOL - Just giving you grief OJ….nuttin’ personal!
Going to read NG’s transcripts…..bbl
I think LE knows alot more and has some kind of evidence and thats why tommy had no choice to admit that he was there that night. Maybe he was seen there by someone credible and LE forced him to admit it…I suppose they could have offered him a deal but that wouldn’t be good for LE to do that since he would surely lie just to get the deal.
Oh Woodland….when you use that link…down at the bottom on the left is a link that says “Read Transcripts of the Shows”. Click on that…..it will give you transcripts of all the shows by date…..looks like the first one says “George Anthony Denies Reported Affair”…Oh, now THIS should be good! LOL
Don’t let the titles fool you though….she usually covers a host of stories in each show. You can also click on video from her shows on different topics. Hope this helps.
If he passes Misty is gonna have to find another patsy, seems she turned on the Sheffields the last time. Remember the Morning Show? The other side of the family? And it was really wierd that at the airport she tells a reporter she passed her poly and a few hours later on the show she says she failed cause she was nervous. She has lied as much as the wind changes and we all just shake our heads in amazement. Kinda like Casey and the Zanny the Nanny. jmo
The last I heard that T wants to take a poly, he insisted that it be given by someone “private” NOT LE.
If that’s the case, then who will pay for it? I wonder how much it costs to hire a polygrapher? Is this another bill poor Lindsy will be expected to pay for her idiot husband?
I usually don’t like it when L Padilla involves himself in things but THIS might be a good use of his money IF he hired a really reputable company to administer the test and IF he did not attend or otherwise interfere with it.
That’s the only way to call T’s bluff - IF he’s bluffing about wanting to take a poly.
And, another thought. So what if T passed a poly given by an independent company? Would that impress LE? What does T think it will prove (IF he’s thinking at all, that is).
Oh, good morning LFJ! Just saw you and your post! Hope you’re having a wonderful morning and good to see you!
Okay, NOW, I’m really going to go read NG’s transcripts…..for REAL this time!
In the last tapes that were put here on BNN Hank Sr. told Misty that Tommy was going to take a poly. This is right after Hank told Misty he did not believe if he is right about who she is pointing the finger at ha did not believe it.
I hope he takes a poly because if he passes that will make it easier for LE.
JB — thanks a bunch!
All — BBL. Take good care.
that was the FIRST time I copied and pasted..all my future posts will be original, well thought out, succinct and correct..thank you for the constructive criticism.
HAPPY ST. PATRICKS DAY EVERYONE. Maybe LE will find their pot of gold today and can finally get the answers they need to bring Haleigh home.
woodland, My woods are in Minnesota. I lost (sold) my home as it was old and unlivable while in my middle thirties. It was sell or lose it to taxes. This angered me to the point of retreating into my addictions and my woods. the longest time I camped was in 03 and 04. I went out in early May and didn’t come out until two days before thanksgiving. It was an unusually warm fallin 03. In 04, I camped in the mine pit area of our community from the end of april until halloween. After that I was just too old to sleep on the ground, so I went out got a job and joined society again. It wasn’t until I became sober that I really learned how connected to nature I really was. NOw my beautiful husband and I have a home to live in and a moterhome to camp in. Life is different but blessed in many ways that I never would have understood before.
m2c you are right. If LP flipped the bill for a reputable poligrapher. I would like if LP did this. You are right call Tommys bluff.
Darn!! looks like I missed Cents Birthday. HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY CENT!! WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST!!
OMG…too funny…well the first NG transcript I read from last night has NOTHING to do with Haleigh but it was a good read….. it appears that George may have had an affair! LMAO…. I wonder if this is the evidence that LE requested not be released that the judge approved for 30 days. Supposedly this chick has texts, emails, and pictures of her and Geo…. says he told her that Caylee’s death was an accident that “snowballed out of control”. Good Grief…am anxious to see if this pans out and this is all true about the affair. Cindy will KILL him! ROFLMAO…okay, going back to see if I can actually find something about Haleigh…Tobias…if you’re still here…what transcript were you reading about Haleigh?
OJ - LMAO - I didn’t realize you had ACTUALLY cut and pasted that comment! It is just that you always say pretty much the exact same thing! LOL WOW! Didn’t mean to pick on you….just wish you’d open up and actually join in the conversation instead of making the exact same comment about LE being bafoons and Misty being set-up. Tell us WHY you think that way instead of just making the same statement as I’m open to ALL theories and like to hear them but I want to know WHY you think the way you do so I can use the info and thoughts you have…..did that make ANY sense? LOL
Its front and center on her NG page, must be whats gonna play tonight.jmo
Tobias…Oh…can’t watch video right now as I’m at work. I guess I’ll just have to read the transcript tomorrow. Thanks for getting back with me though!
JAN - maybe you could do an article on the Caylee case again when you’re feeling better….looks like things are heating up with Casey due in court this Thursday about the State paying for her DUHfense and the new story about Georgie having an affair….I hope it was worth it because if it is true….Cindy is going to cut off his….well, you get the idea! LOL
I hope we get a new Haleigh article soon….this one is taking a long time to refresh! We SOOOO need a break in this case! UGH!
JB, I wonder if the nude photos of George are going to find their way into court and on the magazine racks? lol ewww! Seems he is caught in every way. The woman covered all bases so no one could call her a liar. jmo
JB - when there are lots of comments and it starts taking a while to post and refresh, we can always look for earlier articles about Haleigh that have fewer comments. Then we can leave a note here telling everyone where we went.
We can MOVE NOW to Article #123999
Haleigh Cummings - Caylee Anthony Update Mar 7
Two ways to get there from here:
1) Go to your address bar and place the cursor at the end of the address and backspace to erase everything following net/
then type in the new article number 123999
2) Type Haleligh Cummings in BNN’s search bar at the top right of the page and click on Enter. Then scroll down that page until you see the title of the article we’re going to:
Haleigh Cummings - Caylee Anthony Update Mar 7
Want to move?
I’ll follow you anywhere m2c
….everyone on board? FOLLOW m2c - article 123999….
Okay, I went to article 123999…but I’m there alone! WAHHHHHHH
Be patient, JB. Folks will join you soon, I’m sure.
We are MOVING NOW to Article #123999
Haleigh Cummings - Caylee Anthony Update Mar 7
Two ways to get there from here:
1) Go to your address bar and place the cursor at the end of the address and backspace to erase everything following net/
then type in the new article number 123999
2) Type Haleligh Cummings in BNN’s search bar at the top right of the page and click on Enter. Then scroll down that page until you see the title of the article we’re going to:
Haleigh Cummings - Caylee Anthony Update Mar 7
(If you have trouble finding it post a note here and we’ll check back for you)
Aligoo March 16, 5pm: Thank you!! Also a tear jerker video: You tube, Ronald Cummings Isnt she lovely…watch it.
Pictures speak a thousand words…
A child’s eyes never lie.
There is no way anyone could ever convince me that Ronald Cummings was a bad or negligent father. If we are judging him based on his drug use and history, then why not also include his history of a clean record once he became a father. It’s all on his public court records.
What about the fathers who appear like model citizens but are horrible abusive cocaine snorting meth taking CEO’s?? Drug addicted so- called “white collar” Fathers?? They are everywhere, we just don’t notice it. How about the Fathers who have multiple DUI’s, or do corrupt business deals??
It just makes me sick.
woodland,
Re the life insurance policy….Crystal came out and said it to the media right after Haleigh went missing. I remember it well! Links don’t show up here, but if you check wftv.com, you’ll find reference to it in a story on February 13, 2009.
“Haleigh’s mother claimed to have purchased a whole-life insurance policy for her and the children. However, investigators said they have no information about the policy.”
hi, me! Usually links show up. But sometimes they get held up in “moderation” and show later I think.
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NEW ARTICLE! Article # 124062
March 17
Haleigh Cummings - Caylee Anthony and Others - BNN Hits the Airwaves
To get there: Just scroll to the top of this page and click on the orange box on the left that reads “Home.” It will be the first article about Haleigh and Caylee that you see.
No news on Haleigh! Everyone is quiet, what could be going on? I pray that Haleigh is not forgotten! It feels so empty…where is Haleigh Cummings? Someone has to know something, Lord…let the truth come out so that Haleigh can be found!
Please, don’t forget about little Haleigh!
tobias said,in March 16th, 2010 at 12:23 pm The thing that always bothered me was why the bricked door. They came in they could slowly close the back door thus making no noise. Leave by the front door which is closer. And why didnt they shut off the kitchen light? jmo
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Y’know something that just occurred to me about the supposedly propped-open-door? Has Misty ever mentioned anything about it being cold in the house when she woke up? It was February. If my door were standing open in South Putnam County in February, I would wake up because my bones would be aching from the cold. Her bones aren’t as old as mine, but I feel that the cold would be what woke her up if it had been open very long at all.
JB said,in March 16th, 2010 at 4:51 pm At least we don’t have to worry about what toothpaste Lisa uses! LOL
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She chose her brand long ago: Ladies, freshen your mouth with Meth (holds tube up to camera)!
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