Comments on: Arizona Town Bans study of Bible http://www.bloggernews.net/124034 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:46:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Right Is Right http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1811864 Right Is Right Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:03:25 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1811864 It would be an honor to suffer persecution in Jesus' name. Don't comply, DEFY! It would be an honor to suffer persecution in Jesus’ name. Don’t comply, DEFY!

]]> By: bernard b carman http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1811655 bernard b carman Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:59:53 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1811655 it's typical. there is no liberty in Neo-Amerika, other than those liberties which are still permitted (or tolerated). tyrants rule this nation and in general, people desire tyranny over liberty (less personal responsibility). our own Christian culture is partly to blame. the misinterpretation of Romans 13 has been deceptively preached from pulpits for a very long time. the great deceiver knows that liberty can only be preserved in a nation IF people with morals hold political offices. so he cunningly decided to deceive many religious leaders into thinking it's some kind of sin for Christians to self-govern their country. and of course, the government run public school system we've created doesn't teach people about the fundamental philosophy of liberty. but we can help teach others — even those who do not yet believe in our Creator & Messiah. check out this Philosophy of Liberty video and share it with many: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I Give Me Liberty.org it’s typical. there is no liberty in Neo-Amerika, other than those liberties which are still permitted (or tolerated). tyrants rule this nation and in general, people desire tyranny over liberty (less personal responsibility).

our own Christian culture is partly to blame. the misinterpretation of Romans 13 has been deceptively preached from pulpits for a very long time.

the great deceiver knows that liberty can only be preserved in a nation IF people with morals hold political offices. so he cunningly decided to deceive many religious leaders into thinking it’s some kind of sin for Christians to self-govern their country.

and of course, the government run public school system we’ve created doesn’t teach people about the fundamental philosophy of liberty. but we can help teach others — even those who do not yet believe in our Creator & Messiah.

check out this Philosophy of Liberty video and share it with many:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

Give Me Liberty.org

]]> By: princeb71 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546593 princeb71 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:20:34 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546593 And very very possible, as read from another post, most are brethren in Christ Jesus. Our war is not against flesh and blood, against people, but against spiritual darkness and wickedness in heavenly places, who by deception take captive the unguarded mind/heart to do their will. Our command though speaks of better things, "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (Jn 13:35). Peace and grace! May the living God revealed in Christ bring quickly a resolution. And may the feared traffic woes be a non-issue altogether. :) And very very possible, as read from another post, most are brethren in Christ Jesus. Our war is not against flesh and blood, against people, but against spiritual darkness and wickedness in heavenly places, who by deception take captive the unguarded mind/heart to do their will. Our command though speaks of better things, “By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another” (Jn 13:35).
Peace and grace! May the living God revealed in Christ bring quickly a resolution. And may the feared traffic woes be a non-issue altogether. :)

]]> By: princeb71 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546575 princeb71 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:02:17 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546575 Local govs becoming fearful, retreating into a false sense that to suppress all is a preservative action, an insulator against a possible burn over 'religious matters'. Doing so automatically violates the protected rights of the public "to peacebly assemble". Was this town purposely doing it under guise? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. I'm not there and the Spirit of Jesus has not revealed it to me. Even if He did, it would not be for purposes condemnatory to the leaders of that community, of name-calling and insults. Nothing productive exists there. But Truth is not weak; Freedom comes from knowing it, and He who is Truth. As citizens of this "one nation, under God", enjoying the blessings and freedoms we've been given, we should strive against wrong and injustice, but not according to the pattern the world knows. (Rom 12:1,2). It is from our transformation by the renewing of our minds that we understand "You shall not speak evil of a ruler (leader) of your people" (Ex 22:28; Acts23:5) and that they are 'men' as we are (Titus 3:1-7). Local govs becoming fearful, retreating into a false sense that to suppress all is a preservative action, an insulator against a possible burn over ‘religious matters’. Doing so automatically violates the protected rights of the public “to peacebly assemble”. Was this town purposely doing it under guise? Maybe. Maybe not. I don’t know. I’m not there and the Spirit of Jesus has not revealed it to me. Even if He did, it would not be for purposes condemnatory to the leaders of that community, of name-calling and insults. Nothing productive exists there. But Truth is not weak; Freedom comes from knowing it, and He who is Truth. As citizens of this “one nation, under God”, enjoying the blessings and freedoms we’ve been given, we should strive against wrong and injustice, but not according to the pattern the world knows. (Rom 12:1,2). It is from our transformation by the renewing of our minds that we understand “You shall not speak evil of a ruler (leader) of your people” (Ex 22:28; Acts23:5) and that they are ‘men’ as we are (Titus 3:1-7).

]]> By: gking http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546135 gking Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:24:15 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546135 Just another instance of an overreaching government. Just another instance of an overreaching government.

]]> By: jcheeseman21 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546124 jcheeseman21 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:04:21 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546124 LOL, well, upon further investigation, it seems that the city of Gilbert has recieved e-mails and phone calls from all over the world complaining about this and are currently seriously considering recinding the ordinance. Praise be to God, see? There is strength in numbers. This would have been lost for the city had it gone to court but We the People have made a stand and must continue to do so. Next, we get Obama and his cronies out of office. LOL, well, upon further investigation, it seems that the city of Gilbert has recieved e-mails and phone calls from all over the world complaining about this and are currently seriously considering recinding the ordinance. Praise be to God, see? There is strength in numbers. This would have been lost for the city had it gone to court but We the People have made a stand and must continue to do so. Next, we get Obama and his cronies out of office.

]]> By: jcheeseman21 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546122 jcheeseman21 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:57:35 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1546122 Well, the ignorance of people, esp. the city, comes as no surprise. People seem to have forgotten that we fought G. Britain and won over reddress like this. It will be corrected but as another person commenting said, I would not stop having the home meetings because someone else does not know the law. We have not been given a spirit of timidity but of strength. Does anyone know a specific number that can be called to complain? Gilbert has got to know from the voice of the people they are not going to get away with this regardless of who passed this ordinance. Well, the ignorance of people, esp. the city, comes as no surprise. People seem to have forgotten that we fought G. Britain and won over reddress like this. It will be corrected but as another person commenting said, I would not stop having the home meetings because someone else does not know the law. We have not been given a spirit of timidity but of strength. Does anyone know a specific number that can be called to complain? Gilbert has got to know from the voice of the people they are not going to get away with this regardless of who passed this ordinance.

]]> By: federalfarmer http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545874 federalfarmer Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:52:40 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545874 U.S.C. 18,242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law: This link should work better: http://www.justice.gov/crt/crim/242fin.php U.S.C. 18,242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law: This link should work better:

http://www.justice.gov/crt/crim/242fin.php

]]> By: federalfarmer http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545870 federalfarmer Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:44:49 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545870 Why would anybody even pay attention to this "law". It's the most laughable thing I've ever heard. The city "officials" are cowards, they hold no force, they're law is null & void. The First Amendment clearly protects the right to worship freely, and to assemble whenever, especially on ones own property. Therefore, the pastor should simply continue doing exactly what he's been doing, and if the fools come knocking, slam the door in their face. If they fine/arrest him, then he needs to call his lawyer and press charges on them for violating rights under color of law; U.S.C. 18,242 Link--> http://www.justice.gov/crt/crim/242fin.php. But I would never, Never stop worshiping God because some "official" said I couldn't. Never concede ground to these people, fight them... it's your Right. Why would anybody even pay attention to this “law”. It’s the most laughable thing I’ve ever heard. The city “officials” are cowards, they hold no force, they’re law is null & void. The First Amendment clearly protects the right to worship freely, and to assemble whenever, especially on ones own property. Therefore, the pastor should simply continue doing exactly what he’s been doing, and if the fools come knocking, slam the door in their face. If they fine/arrest him, then he needs to call his lawyer and press charges on them for violating rights under color of law; U.S.C. 18,242 Link–> http://www.justice.gov/crt/crim/242fin.php. But I would never, Never stop worshiping God because some “official” said I couldn’t. Never concede ground to these people, fight them… it’s your Right.

]]> By: Wayne http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545855 Wayne Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:13:02 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545855 This is no surprise to those of us who study the bible, and prophecy in particular. In the last days apostasy will be rampant. This country is failing quickly. I was hoping I'd be alive to see all of this happen, knowing it was coming. After 30 million+ abortions, homosexuality being accepted by almost every denomination..what can anyone expect? Jesus himself said, "in the last days, the love of most will grow cold". Just make sure you are on the "right side", when the Lord comes for his own. This is no surprise to those of us who study the bible, and prophecy in particular. In the last days apostasy will be rampant. This country is failing quickly. I was hoping I’d be alive to see all of this happen, knowing it was coming. After 30 million+ abortions, homosexuality being accepted by almost every denomination..what can anyone expect? Jesus himself said, “in the last days, the love of most will grow cold”. Just make sure you are on the “right side”, when the Lord comes for his own.

]]> By: bob8411 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545822 bob8411 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:21:34 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545822 Guess we know now where Barney Fife is working now... Nip them Christians in the bud, Barn!! Guess we know now where Barney Fife is working now… Nip them Christians in the bud, Barn!!

]]> By: revdeb http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545725 revdeb Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:54:20 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545725 This town may be generally conservative but the tendency, at least in my experience, but political correctness often trumps good sense. It's popular to be anti-Christian. This town may be generally conservative but the tendency, at least in my experience, but political correctness often trumps good sense. It’s popular to be anti-Christian.

]]> By: CharcterBuilding http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545527 CharcterBuilding Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:13:07 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1545527 "You will not have to fight this battle. Take up your positions; stand firm and see the deliverance the LORD will give you, O Judah and Jerusalem. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged. Go out to face them...and the LORD will be with you.' " (2 Chronicles 20:17 ) “You will not have to fight this battle. Take up your positions; stand firm and see the deliverance the LORD will give you, O Judah and Jerusalem. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged. Go out to face them…and the LORD will be with you.’ ” (2 Chronicles 20:17 )

]]> By: ed http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544905 ed Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:14:43 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544905 Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ... Except in Gilbert, Arizona Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

… Except in Gilbert, Arizona

]]> By: jholland http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544660 jholland Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:55:14 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544660 What happened to freedom of religion. That is a constitutional right in the US. Seems like this is what the pilgrams left England to get away from. Its hard to believe it is actually happening in the US. What happened to freedom of religion. That is a constitutional right in the US. Seems like this is what the pilgrams left England to get away from. Its hard to believe it is actually happening in the US.

]]> By: Lenny http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544422 Lenny Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:15:01 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544422 Aaand I'm beaten to the punch by .5 seconds. Not that bduvall with see either of our posts - he probably has a teabag rally to attend. Aaand I’m beaten to the punch by .5 seconds.

Not that bduvall with see either of our posts - he probably has a teabag rally to attend.

]]> By: Lenny http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544417 Lenny Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:10:49 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544417 @ bduvall: This is about the left and progressives treading on the American people’s constitution" ...The stodgy town leaders in Gilbert Arizona will be mighty surprised to learn that they qualify as "left and progressives." People in minor positions of power acting like overbearing jerks is a phenomenon that exists across the political spectrum. @ bduvall: This is about the left and progressives treading on the American people’s constitution”

…The stodgy town leaders in Gilbert Arizona will be mighty surprised to learn that they qualify as “left and progressives.” People in minor positions of power acting like overbearing jerks is a phenomenon that exists across the political spectrum.

]]> By: Re: Bduvall http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544416 Re: Bduvall Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:10:35 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544416 Hello? Gilbert is a conservative haven, voted over 70% for McCain, strongly religious and dominated by the Republican Party. Every single member of the town council as well as every other elected official in or representing the town is a Republican. Conservative Republicans enacted this ban. But, sure, "the left is taking over". Hello? Gilbert is a conservative haven, voted over 70% for McCain, strongly religious and dominated by the Republican Party. Every single member of the town council as well as every other elected official in or representing the town is a Republican. Conservative Republicans enacted this ban.

But, sure, “the left is taking over”.

]]> By: bduvall http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544255 bduvall Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:45:50 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544255 About time!!!!!!!!!!?????????????It is truly a sad day in America when someone posts a comment on the Internet like that. One can only deduce that the writer has a grudge and bitterness towards faith or God due to some unfortunate situation they experienced in life. We are praying for you. Like Michael said, this goes much deeper than religion. This is about the left and progressives treading on the American people's constitution. If we let them walk all over one of our rights, its only a matter of time before the entire constitution is stomped on and disrespected. People died for that constitution. Its what defines America. So SAD! About time!!!!!!!!!!?????????????It is truly a sad day in America when someone posts a comment on the Internet like that. One can only deduce that the writer has a grudge and bitterness towards faith or God due to some unfortunate situation they experienced in life. We are praying for you. Like Michael said, this goes much deeper than religion. This is about the left and progressives treading on the American people’s constitution. If we let them walk all over one of our rights, its only a matter of time before the entire constitution is stomped on and disrespected. People died for that constitution. Its what defines America. So SAD!

]]> By: bduvall http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544256 bduvall Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:45:50 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544256 About time!!!!!!!!!!?????????????It is truly a sad day in America when someone posts a comment on the Internet like that. One can only deduce that the writer has a grudge and bitterness towards faith or God due to some unfortunate situation they experienced in life. We are praying for you. Like Michael said, this goes much deeper than religion. This is about the left and progressives treading on the American people's constitution. If we let them walk all over one of our rights, its only a matter of time before the entire constitution is stomped on and disrespected. People died for that constitution. Its what defines America. So SAD! About time!!!!!!!!!!?????????????It is truly a sad day in America when someone posts a comment on the Internet like that. One can only deduce that the writer has a grudge and bitterness towards faith or God due to some unfortunate situation they experienced in life. We are praying for you. Like Michael said, this goes much deeper than religion. This is about the left and progressives treading on the American people’s constitution. If we let them walk all over one of our rights, its only a matter of time before the entire constitution is stomped on and disrespected. People died for that constitution. Its what defines America. So SAD!

]]> By: Michael http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544198 Michael Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:03:13 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1544198 About time!????? This is not just another expression of what we are facing in Washington but a complete invasion of our rights. Especially, if these so called Elders of the Town do not hold true across the board. If they let the scouts, football parties and even small businesses work out of their homes then there seems to be a discrimination situation happening here against religion. Hope this town has funds in its legal department ready to be spent. This is an attack on more than just Bible Studies but what about Book of the month clubs etc....Gilbert i am sure there are lawyers out there that will gladly take your money in this Lawsuit.....Just another stupendous way to spend your tax dollars!!! I can only Pray that the People of Gilbert come out in droves to protest this....it's their Money right? About time!????? This is not just another expression of what we are facing in Washington but a complete invasion of our rights. Especially, if these so called Elders of the Town do not hold true across the board. If they let the scouts, football parties and even small businesses work out of their homes then there seems to be a discrimination situation happening here against religion. Hope this town has funds in its legal department ready to be spent. This is an attack on more than just Bible Studies but what about Book of the month clubs etc….Gilbert i am sure there are lawyers out there that will gladly take your money in this Lawsuit…..Just another stupendous way to spend your tax dollars!!! I can only Pray that the People of Gilbert come out in droves to protest this….it’s their Money right?

]]> By: AdamtheWitch http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1543719 AdamtheWitch Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:52:33 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1543719 It's about time. I wonder if this applies to Mormons? They dominate the Mesa/Gilbert region and the governments there. I wonder why they just don't all meet in the large buildings we all exempt from property taxes... I sincerely doubt it's a backlash against Christians. They all love to whine about how they are persecuted. Amazing, considering they dominate every debate in this nation for the last 300 years. Alas. So much for home teaching. The end times are truly here. Finally. It’s about time. I wonder if this applies to Mormons? They dominate the Mesa/Gilbert region and the governments there. I wonder why they just don’t all meet in the large buildings we all exempt from property taxes… I sincerely doubt it’s a backlash against Christians. They all love to whine about how they are persecuted. Amazing, considering they dominate every debate in this nation for the last 300 years. Alas. So much for home teaching. The end times are truly here. Finally.

]]> By: Michelle http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1542836 Michelle Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:06:37 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1542836 I can't believe this! Talk about losing our rights! May God be in control of this situation and may the good Lord have mercy on the people who oppose the Bible studies. I can’t believe this! Talk about losing our rights! May God be in control of this situation and may the good Lord have mercy on the people who oppose the Bible studies.

]]> By: nanna4jay http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1542544 nanna4jay Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:21:15 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/124034#comment-1542544 I pray that God prevails in this injustice, and these individuals are allowed to worship him freely. I pray that God prevails in this injustice, and these individuals are allowed to worship him freely.

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