We will be running our scheduled radio program at 3pm Central on Sunday Mar/14 (Dont forget to change your clocks, we ‘spring forward’ this weekend).
We will be exploring the developments in both the search for Haleigh Cummings and the Caylee Anthony case. The news this week about Haleigh Cummings was the release of hours of jail audio from Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin, and Donna Brock. There were no smoking guns to be found, in fact it would appear that these people have finally realized that their conversations are being recorded.
For those of you who are twitter addicts you will likely have seen a rather terse tweet from WSKY 97.3 that was sent in the past hour, TJ Hart is no longer covering the Haleigh Cummings case because of health issues.
I know that I speak for everyone here at BNN and for all of our readers in wishing TJ all the best. He is a good friend both personally and professionally. He will be much missed on the program.
I do have a prepared statement from him and will be sharing that on Sunday.
We are also going to be expanding the range of the program. There has been so much talk of prescription drug abuse both in the Haleigh Cummings case and on the news in general that we have decided to run a segment to discuss it.
This weeks panel will consist of Simon and Jan Barrett, crime writer and author Denny Griffin, we will also be joined by two people that are very concerned with the state of illegal prescription drugs, authors Armando Aldazabal and Jay Rankin.
To listen in please point your web browser to www.bloggernews.net a few minutes before 3pm central and you will see the link to the program on the main page.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackBye, TJ.
TJ, You have been the only honest reporter out there to report on the missing kids in FL. This Haleigh case has taking a toll on all of here and I cant imagine being in your shoes following and reporting on all these sad sad cases. You will be greatly missed. God’s Blessings to you and your family.Thank you for all you have done for All our kids.
Message to TJ Hart: Take care of yourself first and best, your family and friends need you.
Thank you Simon for planning to discuss the cases as well as the drug issues. The drug problems are wide spread so it is not something that is happening only in Florida.
Simon,an Jan I am looking forward to the Sunday program.TJ Hart i am so sorry to hear you are having Health issues.I will keep you in my prayers.And i do pray. You truly will be missed for your imputs on the Haliegh Cummings case.Have a good day everyone.
Haliegh has touched the hearts of many.The truth needs to come out/what ever it is. She needs to come home alive,or deceaced.So Closure can come an these families will know what happened to this Precious child.
TJ will be greatly missed, I’m so sorry for any health issues he’s having at this time.
thats too bad, tj had a lot to contribute.
I am sorry to hear of TJ’s health issues; may he get well soon. This is truly a loss for Haleigh as TJ did his best to keep her case alive in the media. It is also a loss for all of us who have appreciated his input all these months.
We’ll miss you TJ!
So sorry TJ is having health problems,hope to hear he’s doing better real soon.
Lindsy is amused,yep,found the cache of her myspace site and her mood is amused…
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:ArYJJgBRTHIJ:www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin+http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Haters r just people who have too much time! I Love my family and nothin can change that..(i’d rather be a clown then be a fat ass):)Mood: amused
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Glad she’s so frickin amused,we’re not,how amused can you be when your family is jailbirds and thieves.See how amused she is when her husband and sister in law go to trial.I hope she’s been polygraphed.
Here’s Chelsea’s kid brother that lives in Massachusetts,passing it down,I guess…
http://www.myspace.com/smoke_weed_everyday0214
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Chelsea’s older brother Daniel is wanted in Florida,wonder if they’ve caught him yet.Wonderful families.
And what kind of lowlifes would use neighbors soap,towels,game system and games and other things when you know your husband stole them?What kind of people are they,what has been passed down to these kids?Lisa and Tim said Lindsy’s family brought the kids game systems in the box and tons of games.I hope LE has checked to make sure none of these things are items that was not turned over to LE since it was game systems and games that had been stolen and found in the home at Tyler.
This is terrible news! TJ – my prayers are with you and I wish you a speedy recovery.
Dang, this case brings grief to everyone it touches. First Cobra now TJ. It is about to suck the life out of all of us! Meanwhile, the people who SHOULD be worrying about a missing child are busy discussing their boxers, ordering honeybuns and whining about their accommodations at the gray bar inn!
JB,
I agree with you 100%.
As per the rest of what you said all I have to say is chin up folks. Another Child of our Creator who did not deserve whatever it is that has happened to her is depending on all of our strengths right now. Just because TJ has been taken off of this case due to health reasons does not mean that he no longer cares.
I believe that he cares so much that it has affected his health.
Sometimes I have to back away too.
Chin up.
JMO
Hope its not life threatening? We will all miss you TJ. Hope someone else from the news station has taken over for him so Haleigh stays in the local news? jmo
Chelsea’s older brother,Daniel Bachus is absconded from Florida,wonder if they’ve checked Mass or Va for him yet. http://www.dc.state.fl.us/Absconder/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=327121976
Tuff – you are correct…we may all have to step back from time to time but we MUST stay with this and see it through to the end. SOMEONE has to fight for Haleigh and it is obvious no one in her family can stay out of trouble (or jail…or off drugs) long enough to care about this child!
For those who believe in God (or a higher power) please join me in a little prayer (all others just ignore the following)…
Father, please be with TJ and bless him with the healing his body needs as only you can. Please bless all those here who so desperately want justice for Haleigh. Please guide law enforcement and provide them with wisdom so this innocent child can be found. May those touched by this case find strength in your loving arms and should Haleigh be playing at your feet….give her a little kiss for us. In Jesus name we pray…Amen…………. š„
So this is where you all are! I’m so slow to catch up. I posted something on the “old board” that I want you all to read. Can I post it again here or would that be too annoying? I’m holding my breath to read what you all think about the idea that Nay Nay and/or Amber and/or Sarah Sheffield are the people that Misty hurt when she talked.
For TJ, Amen.
Kate – I read that….I think ANYTHING is possible. So you think Nay Nay would steal Haleigh to make Misty look bad and to get back at her for the comment Misty made about taking her child away? And then what do you think they did with Haleigh? Do you think they could/would murder her? I don’t know….that is going to extremes…an overdose I can see…hurting a child in anger I can see…but taking and killing Haleigh to hurt Misty…I don’t know….It IS possible….again, I’m not ruling anything out with this bunch and I always like to hear new theories…gives me more to ponder! But if Misty KNEW these people did it, why wouldn’t she have spoken up sooner and why would Hank be upset about it and not believe it? I don’t know…something doesn’t fit…but then again a LOT of things aren’t fitting together….so we’ll definitely keep it as an option!
Kate, what do you think their motive would have been?
It also doesn’t explain Ron’s strange behavior…I just keep going back to Ron knows what happened and is somehow involved or to blame or he wouldn’t be acting so bizarre!
I wonder which one of those three Chelsea cares about. Seems none of them cared about any of those three… and Misty says one of the two people hurt is someone they care about.
God speed, TJ, you will be missed. You were the one true journalist we could count on that didn’t repeat lies/rumors and report them as fact.
Romewi, I figure you mean Nay Nay and/or Amber and/or Sarah Sheffield, what their motive was. I don’t think they were all that involved in the bigger scheme so they were either paid by the Sheffield/Griffis clan or doing a favor or anything along those lines. They were just useful for getting HaLeigh out of the house, presumably into Chad’s car.
If someone finds out what is going on with TJ and gets approval to post it, please do so. I hope he’s going to be okay!
JB, I totally agree his behavior is so not right. I also wonder whats going to happen to the blog now that TJ is gone? Where will we get our information? jmo
Cathartic, Chelsea might care about Nay Nay?
JB,
To me prayer is a private and personal relationship with our Creator but I can feel sincereity with your words through and through.
Aho and amen.
OK Kate, TY.
Tobias….yeah, I just get strange vibes with Ron. I see a lot of manipulation, blatant lies, a serious drug problem, a short temper and I believe he knows what happened. Perhaps LE believes Misty is the key because they have a strong suspicion Ron was involved and that Misty knows the truth. They can’t break cool as a cucumber Ron but a drug addicted love sick teen is a different story….she is covering for someone…her conflicting stories prove that….and maybe that is why LE is putting all the pressure on Misty. They see her as the weakest link.
Tuff….I tried not to be offensive….I know there are a lot of different beliefs and I respect them all….it was sort of like a brief prayer vigil for TJ….I hope you were not offended in any way.
JB, I wonder if Ron is coopperating now since no news from Putnam on his audio tapes being released. TJ did say on the last program they were requested but nothing has been said about when they would release them. jmo
Where is m2c? She will be very sad to hear about TJ! Does someone have her email address? If so, please email her to let her know!
JB,
I believe that you are correct, however, Misty herself is chin up, but for all the wrong reasons. The truth is bigger than she is though and hopefully soon she will realize that fact. For her own sake if not for those who love her.
Just my own thoughts.
Oh Jb no way. I respect others as well. I do not for one second want you to believe that I would ignore your post. It was very heartfelt.
Someone,anyone please find out if TJ is alright.
tobias….I just don’t see Ron cracking…especially if he was going to face MORE time for what he would say about Haleigh. LE may think they have leverage with these drug charges but if the people in jail are responsible for Haleigh disappearance and know they will face LONGER sentences with a murder wrap…they’ll keep their traps shut and do the time for the drugs instead. They would have to offer one of them complete immunity on the drugs AND for any potential charges on the Haleigh case to get them to talk IMO. OR, if the Mexican connection is the truth…then they won’t talk because they fear for their lives and nothing they say or do will bring Haleigh back AND they could face charges due to the drug deal that caused Haleigh to be taken.
I’m thinking that maybe Misty saw Amber/Nay Nay/Sarah S. She maybe even let them in since they were her friends. Maybe the key that Misty has held is as an eyewitness to Amber/Nay Nay/Sarah S. She would want to protect Nay Nay.
JB, the thing is they could all do their time for the drugs but there is no statute of limitations on Haleighs case if she met with a bad end. jmo
I have always had the feeling that whatever happened, it involves Ronald Cummings. Either he did it, or he did something that left him powerless to do anything to the one(s) responsible.
Other than stranger abduction–which appears to be a possibility that I alone am still considering–I just cannot see any scenario that does not involve Ronald at least indirectly.
I Ronald was not guilty in some way he would have busted down doors, threatened people, etc., to get at the truth. He didn’t do that, and I have never seen anyone come up with a good reason why he didn’t.
Tuff…phewww…I’m glad I didn’t offend you. Religion of any kind can push ALL the wrong buttons for some and I went out on a limb by posting my little prayer. I guess I felt it was worth the risk…but I REALLY don’t want to offend ANYONE…especially about religion because that IS a very personal thing.
I am not trying to sell the “Sheffield/Griffis have her hidden” case but it just explains so much. If it is what happened, I think Ronald may not have known right at first but he has known for quite some time. He might be motivated to protect or cooperate with them for a variety of reasons. But the idea that he has known can explain a lot of things. Like how he hasn’t spent any time actually searching for HaLeigh.
Is it possible that someone paid Tommy & Joe to take Haleigh in revenge for something Ron did? That thought popped into my head when Kate was stating her theory about Nay Nay & Amber.
Kate – but WHY would Misty cover for Nay Nay…I mean she snitched on her brother and others without blinking an eye and she and Nay Nay have not ALWAYS been very chummy. I just don’t get why she would put up with being under LE’s microscope all this time for Nay Nay. Not saying it couldn’t happen…but I’m struggling with it a little! LOL
Tobias…but perhaps they believe if they keep their traps shut….the truth will never be told…statute of limitations or no….afterall…it has been a year and no charges have been brought…so they may think they can continue to remain quiet..do the time for the drugs and hope this case goes completely cold and forgotten by the time they get out.
JB, just read your post way up at the top. I’m multi-tasking so I missed it. So I don’t think Nay Nay/Amber/Sarah S. did it primarily to get back at Misty, they were just easily convinced to do what was asked of them. They may well not have known much of what they were doing and maybe even thought it was all fairly or completely innocent.
Kate – I don’t see Ron cooperating with the Sheffields if he thought they took Haleigh….that one I can’t swallow…sorry…obviously I could be wrong…but I just don’t see it….
JB said,
in March 12th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
If someone finds out what is going on with TJ and gets approval to post it, please do so. I hope heās going to be okay!
JB, your heart felt prayer for TJ just draws me to respond. This case has consumed most of TJs time for over a year. It has affected his most valued relationships. The time spent on this case has been time lost with his wife, his granddaughter, his friends, and his employer. His phone rings and beeps all day and all night. The combination of all this is also affecting his body. He is exhausted. I think he hopes getting off this case will allow his body and relationships to heal. I am sure he appreciates all of our prayers.
Misty’s gun in the mouth statement came out of the blue and I think it is something that did happen to her. Maybe it happened that night, maybe it happened some other time, but whenever it happened it was during an incident that is important to this case, imo.
JB, I agree that is why Misty is telling her Mom that she loves Ron. Saying that is like saying she isnt going to tell on him. Hank knows and thats why he says very little to her now, he knows she is involved and if he pushes she will roll on Tommy. Its like she uses this as a weapon. Tommy even says she better not be makin up lies. He knows how she is and what she will do, this shuts him up. Thats what she intended it to do, and when she tells Chelsea about one person is going to get hurt that Chelsea loves, that would be Misty putting Timmy into it . Chelsea shuts up or else. jmo
Cathartic, I missed the gun in the mouth statement. Can you please fill me in?
Romewi…yes, that is very possible. Could explain the van being moved, could explain why Tommy suddenly remembered that he went by the MH that night….could explain a lot of things….but WHO paid them….and I still go back to…if Ron even THOUGHT these guys did something to/with Haleigh…they’d be dead right now…..I just keep going back to Ron knows and that is why he acts the way he does…Misty knows but isn’t as experienced and “cool and calm” about lying as he is…but she would cover for him no matter HOW badly he treats her. He has strung her along ever after the divorce.
Look at the way he talked about Misty’s tattoo…and I have to believe she knows what he said and yet she is still all in love and saying how she loves her tattoo…that Ron told her that was the only way to prove her love for him…and then he makes fun of her and says “I didn’t tell her to tattoo my name on her and you sure don’t see her name tattooed on me”….I think that was a real glimpse into this relationship and how Ron manipulates and uses her.
JB, you bring up why wouldn’t Misty speak and why would Hank Sr. be upset. I would think that Misty would want to protect Nay Nay. And she knows that whatever Nay Nay did at the time, she sure didn’t kidnap HaLeigh.
As for Hank Sr., he probably thinks Misty is lying again and will just get herself into more trouble. And Misty can’t explain anything to him over the taped phone calls.
I was referring to when Misty said, “When someone puts a gun in your mouth and tells you not to talk, uh uh, I ain’t talkin.'” I saw her say it on video so it is not just a rumor that she said it.
Immediately I thought it an extremely odd thing to say since the conversation prior did not lead into such a statement, imo.
tobia,
Wow, great thinking! That could be the answer we were looking for as to why they are all staying quiet.
At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleighās disappearance is the work of a stranger. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.
http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a
Treece – I certainly believe TJ has poured his heart and soul into this case and I am grateful for all he has done in this search for Haleigh. Gods Speed in his healing and rejuvination.
tobias said,
in March 12th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
JB, I agree that is why Misty is telling her Mom that she loves Ron. Saying that is like saying she isnt going to tell on him. Hank knows and thats why he says very little to her now, he knows she is involved and if he pushes she will roll on Tommy. Its like she uses this as a weapon. Tommy even says she better not be makin up lies. He knows how she is and what she will do, this shuts him up. Thats what she intended it to do, and when she tells Chelsea about one person is going to get hurt that Chelsea loves, that would be Misty putting Timmy into it . Chelsea shuts up or else. jmo
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she actually said cared about not loved. One person they care about alot and one they care about a little. That wouldn’t be Timmy.
Vaquera…I think what Tobias was talking about was her conversation with Lisa where she talks about pictures of her and Ron, kissing, talking about how they were getting back together until the police *#&$^&@ up the plan, how she loves her tattoo, how Ron is “THE ONE”…..I don’t think Tobias was talking about when Misty made the comment about what she has to say will hurt two people you care about….JMO…Tobias correct me if I’m wrong.
I missed the “gun in the mouth” statement by Misty as well. Please explain, wow!
Hi, JB! Thank you. I am so very sorry to hear about TJ’s health issues. I too pray that he takes time for himself and his loved ones and recovers quickly. Even if he never returns to this case, for any reason, very few deserve more blessings than TJ for what he has done for Haleigh – and for us. THANK YOU, TJ!
God Bless!
Any links or good google terms to the “when someone puts a gun in your mouth” statement that Misty made? I’m going to look for it.
Kate – Misty made the gun in the mouth statement during her time with Tim Miller – they did the LDT, the voice analysis test, etc….that is when she made the statement ON VIDEO….it was a strange statement made in a strange place in the dialogue…very peculiar! But sadly I’m not sure where to find it…I’m sure it is out there somewhere!
JB, About Misty covering for Nay Nay, well, they were still friends that day because I remember something about Misty telling Nay Nay to come over and help her watch the kids that day. And they are still friends now because I heard in one of the current batch of tapes that she says, “I was talking to Nay Nay [on the phone].”
Also, if she lied for whatever reason at the beginning, she might be quiet so as not to get caught lying.
Great questions, good things for me to think about.
But a gun in your mouth is a lot more powerful. You know, I’m remembering that Nay Nay and Amber were staying with Jerome Williams for a while. Could it have been Jerome Williams who put a gun in Misty’s mouth, later, to make sure she didn’t talk?
Kate – Misty made that statement about the gun in the mouth during the Tim Miller tests…and she did it on video. Not sure where to find the video but I saw it a long time ago. It was a strange thing to say especially when she said it…didn’t go with the previous or following statements so it really grabbed your attention.
Dang. Anyone else having trouble? I post a comment and it isn’t there. I refresh…still not there. Retype the comment and they BOTH appear! Dang little green men in my PC again!
Is Jerome Willims the road rage guy?
It could have been anyone who put the gun in her mouth! But I believe someone did in fact do that and said that to her. I saw it on video but have not been able to find that vid since. For a while I thought I had imagined it since I could not find it anywhere. But there are others here who also saw the video and heard her make that statement.
I saw the video on TV, not online.
Kate…but if it was a Nay Nay abduction that Misty is covering for, explain all of Ron’s bizarre behavior! Why would he stay with Misty, marry her…not KILL her? Why would he protect Misty, cover for her? Why would he not be kicking down doors? Why wouldn’t he be out searching? His actions just don’t mesh with the Nay Nay abduction theory in my book. The only way I can explain Ron’s behavior is if he KNOWS what happened and is somehow involved….otherwise I think there would have been a few murders in Satsuma shortly after Haleigh went missing.
Rome…no Jerome is the pimp! Charlie Jones? OR whatever his name is…he’s the road rage guy! LOL…So many players, so little time! LOL
Jerome Williams is not the road rage guy. He is a drug dealer in Putnam County and if I remember correctly the PCSO had an agreement with him that they would go easier on him if he were to “work” on finding out what happened to HaLeigh. It really didn’t go anywhere, though. Or it might have been Cobra who got Jerome Williams to “work” on it for a while. I’ll see if I can find anything to explain it. Anhhow, Nay Nay and Amber were staying with him for a while.
So, when did the Mexican guy go missing? Was it prior to Haleigh or after?
Maybe Ron did something to him, and his people wanted revenge? And Ron can’t say a thing or point fingers at anyone without implicating himself in what he might have done?
All are just my questions, I have no evidence of any kind that anything like this might have happened.
Is it possible that Ron or Misty owed Jerome Willims money. The Barbra tapes stated Misty was sleeping with customers…more than one at a time. This is the third time I have heard that about her. Was Misty working for Jerome?
http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-drug-dealer-haleigh-cummings-help/
Here is a link to Art Harris explanation of all of this.
In the “strange audio files,” it might be Jerome Williams who Cobra is talking to?
I mean the first of the “strange audio files.”
cathartic…..you know…that is very possible. So Ron burns the Mexican drug dude…the drug dude kidnaps Haleigh….Ron kills the drug dude…nobody is talking….hmmmmmm……sounds like a movie plot but it is very possible!
Rome…I’m beginning to believe there are not too many people Misty HASN’T slept with in her young life. Was Jerome just a dealer or did he pimp too…I thought he pimped out Nay Nay and Amber…maybe even Misty….did I dream that?
Jerome is in jail now isn’t he? Do we know where? Same place as Ron? Tommy? Different place?
JB, I don’t think Nay Nay abducted HaLeigh in the larger scheme. If the Sheffield/Griffis have her hidden somewhere, they (Chad, Crystal, dunno’ who) might have asked Nay Nay and Amber/Sarah S. to get HaLeigh that night. They might have given an innocent explanation and Nay Nay didn’t know anything else. She just handed her over to Chad who was going to take her to Crystal but instead took her who knows where.
JB, that’s right, he did pimp out Amber and Nay Nay. So I guess he is both a drug dealer and a pimp. Or maybe just a pimp. Doesn’t really matter, don’t think.
I do love reading here.Each have their own theory.But your willing to go over every thing,everyone.Most just think Ron,an Misty Harmed Haliegh.I dont believe they did by their own hands. As in beating her.So i do come every day to read,even if i dont comment,often. This is such a very sad case all the way around.From Haliegh Missing to how some have been raise,no schooling.To all the drugs in Putnum county, I do look at both an both families,as well as SO. I just pray the truth comes out,about this precious child.An she is found.
Cathartic and JB, I like the way this mexican drug dealers thing is coming together. I am going to think on that some more.
Also, I was thinking about how the blue van and how that is something the Sheffield/Griffis plot doesn’t explain and that bother me. Unless Misty realized that she’d done a really dumb thing and asked Tommy and Joe to go see if they could catch up with Nay Nay!! There was no evidence in the blue van, it was just all scratched up because Tommy and Joe went chasing after— well, they could have gone chasing after anyone who took HaLeigh. Although I don’t know why they wouldn’t talk, but it does explain why Joe slept in his clothes.
And Misty was so grateful that she fingered them in the Tim Miller interviews? Well, just breainstorming here.
JB, I think Ron knows something, too. Twice he has undermined efforts to get Misty to talk. First by outing DB, then by saying on the tapes that the detectives were coaching him about saying that he really loved Misty and all that.
If it was the Griffis/Sheffield who did it, I think Ronald found that out somewhere along the line and knows his life, especially his life with HaLeigh, will be much, much better if he cooperates and keeps quiet.
Romewi, I think it is possible that Tommy and Joe were paid to take HaLeigh in revenge for something Ronald did. There is a lot of reason to think that Joe and Tommy did it, but I always got tripped up with, “and did what with her?” Hmmm, so who did they give her to if they were paid to take her. Interesting. Sure explains the two people who will get hurt, “one that we care a lot about and one that we care a little about…”
Okay, let’s think on this Mexican drug thug thing…Both Misty and Ron are in on this big deal…but they skim and use the profits…don’t pay the dealer…..the dealer takes Haleigh…they both know they are in deep doo doo together…Ron strings Misty along to keep her quiet…gives her hope of reconciliation so she’ll hang on his every word….and if she talks…she gets herself in deep…he could be telling her if she talks the Mexicans will kill her…or perhaps the Mexicans told her that themselves…thus the gun in the mouth comment….and maybe Tommy and Cuz Joe were out on a little B&E spree that night, used the van, scratched it up and that is why they are acting so guilty…nothing to do with Haleigh…they just know they were doing something criminal…and maybe that is why LE was at Tommy’s that night…doing follow-up on some break-ins……..But Misty knows she can’t tell the truth because the Mexicans would kill her and her precious Ron and they’d both be in trouble. She is inlove with Ron so she’s ready to point the finger at Tommy to get LE off her back, get her out of jail and get back in Ron’s bed. And maybe Nay Nay and Jerome know this Mexican drug thug as that is their supplier too and THEY have been threatened and that is why Jerome couldn’t come up with any leads and why Nay Nay made up the story about an overdose…to keep LE from looking at the Mexicans because she had been threatened as well. Is everyone’s head spinning yet? LOL MINE IS!
JB, I can see Ron cooperating with the Sheffield/Griffis if they took her. His “I’m going to kill whoever” could all be bravado and distraction. If he really wants to see HaLeigh again, as much as possible, and the Sheffields/Griffis have her, he could be going along with it. Also, they aren’t above threatening him, either, are they?
Oh, and maybe that was why Cuz Joe beat it out of town…too much heat.
Dear TJ,
I am soooo sorry to hear you are having health issues. Though I don’t know you, I have become quite fond of you, as I’m sure is the same with so many other posters here. You have shown us your wonderful character by your honest and devoted coverage of Haleigh’s case. And you’ve shown us your courage and integrity in the stance you took in relation to Nancy Grace. I pray you recover quickly and hope you are back with us soon. We will miss you and be thinking of you.
JB, that scenario does not leave any questions unanswered as far as what might have happened and why. I think it is entirely possible this is how it went down.
I also think LE might know what happened but needs someone to confess or say something that can be verified. When that “something” is said, it will be verifiable by evidence LE already has.
In regard to your theory, do you think it is possible Ron and Misty were put behind bars for their own protection? Meaning, LE knew they would never talk on the outside due to having been threatened?
This would help me to understand why the “two people will be hurt” statement was not redacted…because it has no bearing on what LE knows to be the truth.
Kate…I don’t see Ron cooperating…if he found out they snatched Haleigh he would have gone after her…IMO…I don’t think he’d play along….he doesn’t “go with the flow” like that IMO. He’d have LE all over them…if he had to frame them for some other crime. Still listening to your theory but still struggling with it! LOL
Just tossing this out there… If it were in fact true about the Mexican drug theory then why the headless rat?
Ron’s explanation after denying that they did it at all was that it was to test Misty.
Why would he need to “test Misty” if they were all aware that it was a payback by some drug thugs?
Doesn’t add up when you think about it.
Maybe he wanted to see how well she could lie when questioned. Maybe he didn’t put the rat there for that reason, but lied about the reason. Who knows, he’s as big a fraud as everyone else in the case.
Cathartic – yes, I have considered Ron and Misty being behind bars for safety and to keep them out of the way. I wondered if a bigger bust might be about to go down for this Mexican drug person and to keep them safe and out of the way, the put them there by organizing the drug sting. Ron may have figured that all out and would explain why he is so calm behind bars. I don’t think Misty gets it as per her behavior and comments. I think she is lying about whatever it is she is telling her atty, the detectives and her family. If this theory holds up she is afraid of the Mexicans and will continue to lie….even if that means pointing the finger at her brother so she can get out of jail and back to Ron.
I am now too sad to post today. TJ was Haleigh’s knight in shining armour. The only journalist out there interested in finding out the truth about Haleigh.
Tuff…perhaps Misty confided in Tommy about the truth….Ron may have freaked if he found out…worrying that Tommy would rat them out to LE and get them all killed, he places the headless rat in the mailbox as a warning. Again…just a possibility.
MC could mean anything when she says two people will get hurt. Is it a physical hurt, or going- to-prison for life kinda hurt? My first initial guess is that it is TC and Cuz Joe, but I realize that really, at this point, nothing will surprise me. One thing I know for sure, she is not talking about Crystal, because I know she doesn’t care about anyone on that side of Haleigh’s family.
Cath,
the only issue I have with that is that we all saw how many different stories Misty told from the get go. Did Ron truly need to test her further even after all that story changing she managed to do beginning with her debut interviews?
I dunno.
ME – hang in there. We are all sad but we can’t give up. TJ needs a much deserved break but Haleigh needs US to keep seeking the truth and WE need your wise input!
Good thinking JB. So shouldn’t Ron have really freaked out when Tommy told LE that he had gone to the MH that night and that no one answered when he knocked on the door?
Seems to me with the arrests and all that it is possible that R and C were just going about life as usual in the fast lane kind of thing.
And all the other team members care as well, for example, Jan.
oops R and M not R an C. My apologies.
Romewi said,
in March 12th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Is it possible that Ron or Misty owed Jerome Willims money. The Barbra tapes stated Misty was sleeping with customersā¦more than one at a time. This is the third time I have heard that about her. Was Misty working for Jerome?
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Kim P said Jerome didn’t know Ron but I bet he knows Tommy since Kim also said Tommy was seen at Jerome’s after Amber/NayNay were released from jail when Kim/cobra bailed them out.
Tuff Stuff, I don’t think he needed to test her further. He could have just said that, but put the rat there for other reasons.
A dead rat usually means “you are dead if you rat me out.” He put it there as a warning to the Croslins not to squeal on him. However, I have no doubt people has a LOT of things they could squeal about on Ron. It might not have meant don’t say anything about that night, or whatever. It could have been don’t say anything about anything period, or you’re a dead rat.
That’s true Cath. Maybe even possibly about dealing drugs right?
I think if any of this led to finding Haleigh we would have heard about an investigation team being sent out to some place to find her. I’m afraid that whatever we hear it will be just as vague as everything else we hear.
Hey everyone, I thought I’d stop in for a couple minutes between antibiotics, advil,and juice boxes to see how things are developing.. I have been thinking about something for awhile and wanted to toss it out here and see how it lands….I’ve heard it said but I have no numbers to back it up, that after katrina, many RSOs have not yet been accounted for. Is it poosible that alot of them (due to close location) may have gone to florida to blend in??? With all the ones that lived close by, it may have been a popular area for them to hide… just thinkin.
JB…thanks so much for your kind words. I can’t tell you how sad this news makes me….I can’t stop crying. Life can be so unfair and TJ being sick is a perfect example.
I really think I will take today off, but I’ll be enjoying reading yours and everyone else’s posts in the background.
Tuff Stuff, RC is a thug and for all we know, things like the rat incident are common behavior for him. It might not be out of the ordinary at all for him to fight with people and then do stuff like that.
Ron was never charged for the headless rat so that means to me he didn’t do it and Tommy made the whole mess up.
Can I ask why ya’ll think Ron knows anything at all? He is not a suspect, per LE, but 13 months later people keep saying Ron knows, Ron did it. He was at work his whole shift, that’s been verified, LE is satisfied he worked his shift, Haleigh was seen by people after Ron went to work, so I just don’t get it..
I am sure that missing Mexican RSO is back in MX.It’s usually where they skedaddle to when they get into trouble here.
ME – hang in there. Everyone needs a break…but don’t give up…we need you and Haleigh needs you. We’ve all got to stick together.
Cathartic – very true…we’ve only had a window into this sick twisted world for a brief moment in time…some of the behavior we think is bizarre (rats in mailboxes) may be common place with these folks.
Again, I think all these players are intertwined…not all know the truth about Haleigh but they’ve all go secrets and KNOW secrets of others…a LOT of criminal activity…so some of the things we see…like the headless rat…could have NOTHING to do with Haleigh but rather another criminal act…OR..it could very well have to do with Haleigh….who knows. We’ve just got to keep running through what we know and putting the pieces together.
Unfortunately, I’ve got to go. Take care all. Take a break if you need to. But please don’t give up. We need each other and together we might just figure this out!
cathartic, I agree that the rat thing sounds like something ron would do… although I wouldn’t want to test the theory, I think rons bark is worse than his bite… and he may have thought this exact thing about the mexicans.
On the Cobra tapes the Barbra woman said Jerome had his own woman he loves. But i do believe it was told he was a known pimp.. Something was said about someone keeping one girls cloths(thought Barbra said in a safe) untill she turned tricks,made money /could have been owed for drugs fronted. Now which girl it was i dont know. Can anyone one put the link up to when Misty said that about the gun in her mouth.Or where i may look for it.That could be a big reason if true why she hasnt told by now.
I know on one jail call,Mistys mom asked her,if she told her Lawyer what she knows. Misty said yes he knows.Do you think she was speaking of what she may know about Haliegh going missing? They started out talking about,detectives talking to her,an letting her smoke.
If Barbra is truthful,she was giving a lot of imfo.But seems to favor Nay Nay,but says Nay Nay had gotten worse on the drugs.(I thought i heard needle).But its so hard to hear,with static.. She also talked about room 3 ,an Misty comming to one room,where there was many people,i remember Cobra saying NOOO,an Barbra said oh yes.So i took that as Misty ,turning tricks,because what Barb said before revealing this part about the Tricks,i couldnt understand.She said it so low,an muffled.. Barb did say Misty came to cop dope.Then said no one wanted her there.
Did Barbra say Mistys mom had been there to? Who was the little red haired girl Barb,called a snitch,or lier? My lord that place is full of drug dealers-pimps-girls working.Why has this been going on so long. Who is Sarah Sheffield? An whats her age? Does she hang with that drug crowd?
Tommy say on jail phone call to Lindsey.That news was on channle 30,she was trying to find the channel.The Sherriff was on,an then Tommy says thats the Sherriffs son on the TV to-He does more pills than i do!!! interesting.Now im only repeating what i heard.Shore dont want to go to jail for something i repeated lol.But its on a jail call audio. Sorry about the long post,ill shorten them.
Yep, methinks. I have no doubt RC is really a wimp who just talks the talk, etc…
In other news in the Caylee case, George has been a naughty boy..
Woman Claims She Had Affair With George Anthony
Posted: 5:01 pm EST March 12,2010Updated: 5:26 pm EST March 12,2010
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — WFTV learned Friday that a woman said she had a relationship with Casey Anthonyās father, George Anthony and that woman was questioned by detectives.
It turns out that woman looks a lot like the description George gave detectives of Zenaida Gonzalez, also known as āZanny the nanny.”
Casey claimed it was the nanny who took her daughter, Caylee Anthony
http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html
Hey Jan57…I agree those Cobra tapes are very interesting. But, like most things in this case, the info has not been verified so they should be viewed for now as hearsay, imo.
You are correct vaquera Ron was not arrested for that incident, however, it was reported that when Ron spoke to Tim Miller he admitted to doing it. Also there was a witness IIRC. What motive would said witness/neighbor have had for placing Ron at the scene doing such a horrendous thing?
From all reports I have read the neighbors were fairly pleased when the Croslin bunch moved out of that neighborhood and after reading about that I am really questioning why people would doubt the witness/neighbor in regards to that incident?
oh my – have you seen what hit the news tonite in Florida??? George anthony had a affair. and this may be what the prosecution has been holding from the defense until it was verified…
wow
http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html
One other thing vaquera, even Ron’s own attorney has stated that Ron is on the list but according to him Ron is not at the top of the list.
That has some merit. Maybe minute to some but it’s evident.
***Anyone see that vid of the man that punch that child in the face with his keys at Walmart… for the thrill! He’s been doing it to children for months… and the bastard is 68 YEARS OLD!!
If it were my kid… he would be screaming more than “Help I Can’t Get Up”, once my foot was removed from his throat.
Oh wow cent. When did that happen?
Could it be that Misty wasnt home .Came back,an walked in on,someone doing what ever to Precious Haliegh on the couch,an caught it being someone she knew.Scared they coverd the crime.I say this if Little Jr saw someone in black, he mentioned the couch.Only if that part is true,an if Crystal didnt feed him stories,or the child over heard grown ups talking..How close did TN,an Granny,Tommy live to Halieghs home? Was it in eye shot of the trailor?
Seems everyone left lol hope it wasnt because i came. I know when your on a roll,its hard to stop an chat.So ill check in later.
I was watching HLN… saw snippet.. the goggled it… so I don’t know what date he got caught but the child mom was interviewed.
Hi cent! I hope your feeling better.
Well I hope that the absuive 68 year old bully gets his head examined and is held accountable. That is just to much and like you cent they’d have to surgically remove my boot from his arse! Without doubt.
Hey Methinks… I’m a bit better, just really tired, so in between napping I’m checking in!!
Tuff… my boot, ankle and calve would have been making room for the other’s.
I heard about an older guy who slapped someone’s child because he thought the child needed discipline and the mom was not doing it. Is this the same guy, BA?
I’m getting to bounce… but have a good night guys. This 68yr man.. just gave me a flash-back of an elderly chick pushing my son out of line in the drug store. ((( No, I didn’t beat)))
Night All!!!
G-night cent. I’ve been in a situation with one of my son’s before also at a public event. My son had to use the restroom and a drunk guy shoved my son into the wall inside the mens bathroom which busted my sons lip open and made his nose bleed. Luckily there were witnesses inside and one of them staff who radio LE. If I had gotten to him first there is no telling how it would have turned out.
Cartharic … I know that time.. different man!!
Yes… I see my posts are not complete/leaving words out… got to go, the meds have kicked in. Nighty Night.
lol cent. Feel better soon!
Agreeing with you in prayer JB.
A possible theory is that everyone is involved cuz of drug dealings..it all trickles down to the lowest person dealing..No one will talk, because once it starts, the trail will lead on and on. The higher up people fear for their life…the bottom buyers/dealers are simply scared of jail! LE bribes the lowers by asking them to snitch in return for reduction or no sentence. The higher ups are in danger of getting exposed…who’s gonna be dumb enuf to start talking?? Or worse, who’s gonna turn snitch??
Therefore, there is an understanding that no one talks or we all fall down.
LE is NOTORIOUS for being in the deals.
So, who can ANY OF THESE PEOPLE rely on, when no one CAN TALK?
It’s not a matter of WHO KNOWS WHAT AND WHY they WONT talk….on the contrary, it’s a fact that EVERYONE BETTER NOT TALK.
Even LE.
Oh, and Johnny Sheffield used to work for PCSO on the right side of the law. Too bad he turned criminal, and has connections to ORGANIZED CRIME.
Okay, heres the hint: Who needs to shutup,and who has power? Problem is, EVERYONE needs to shutup; next problem is, EVERYONE has power OVER ONE ANOTHER…some large,some small.
WHO wants something?? Why?
Who in this scenario has the ability to get help and aid in accomplishing their plan??
I’ve been wondering why and how it is possible that all these FAMILIES are tied together in such a complex way??? EASY.
The DUMB ones talk WAY too much. Usually it’s either to cover their arse, or stupidly gloat.
The SMART ones don’t say anything, and there are 2 opposing possibilities why.
people are droppin from the panel like flys..first cobra then levi now TJ. And Jan is always ill, hang in there Simon! Stay healthy, eat right and sleep tight..its gonna be a long slog til this is over.
NG claims more NEW Jailhouse tapes now! Transcripts too!!
It’s looking like it is getting quite close to wrapping it up since Misty is talking. Although maybe it will take forever to verify…
Hey JB, I know you aren’t here anymore but I had a chance to digest your mexican drug theory. Yes, my head spun every time I read it so I had to read it more than 24, no, 90, times. But I finally got it and I like it. It does explain a lot— you even got Jerome and Nay Nay in there!!
I used the numbers 24 and 90 because it seems like at first we were hearing that Ron called Misty more than 24 times that night and then it was upped to 90. Could be wrong on that, but after I wrote that I got to thinking about all those phone calls and how it seemed like Ronald was really worried about something, calling Misty so much from work. And then he stops to buy beer on the way home rather than rushing home to see what’s up. All those phone calls could be because he was worried about those drug dealers that night.
That’s one thing that the Griffis/Sheffield idea doesn’t explain, why he called Misty so much that night.
Oh, I’m still the only one here. I thought maybe some of you would be back after NG. I guess you all have lives. I am stuck at work on a Friday night and checking in while I am waiting for my work computer to churn.
Who has the Mexican theory,i would like to read it.
Does anyone know what the obstruction of justice was about Timmy was arrested on 1/4/09?
He might not have been arrested,possibly just got the misdemeanor for obstruction of justice.I just thought about the phone convo with Tommy and Timmy said something about if he had been booked.He did have court continued.
Hank was hurt in car accident week before HaLeigh was taken.Tim and Chelsea’s car was wrecked,was the accident in thier car?Alot going on around that time.
I watched Nancy Grace this evening and heard Art Harris mention that there is a letter that Misty had written to a family member and that LE is going over her every word in that letter with a fine tooth comb. Seems she mentions the names of two people in that letter too.
Interesting.
Tuff I heard him mention that letter too… Goodnight ALL
Yep,saw that,she’s good at throwing people under.She knew she was being recorded,knew everyone would hear it when she told Chelsea.Pffttt!!!If she had info and didn’t give it a year ago,I hope she gets years for withholding info,being a dealer and something happening to HaLeigh in her care,plus anything else they can get her on.Noone holds info,unless they’re involved.
LE would have known what was in that letter before it was ever mailed. LOL All mail is checked coming and going in a jail.
I find it impossible to believe anything Art Harris says. I want TJ back!
They check the mail, but not every word and with the way Misty writes they may not have understood just what they were reading.
Misty knows nothing, she never did never will.. shes a scapegoat set up by a bungling inept law enforcement who are in cya mode rather than lets find haleigh mode. She is no “key” as they called her, shes the fallguy for their stupid incompetence..LE should be investigated! They hired Ron’s mother to be a dispatcher for christs sake! How clueless are these fools!?
Nancy Grace is a disgusting liar…”we have secretly recorded video tapes…”
1. They are not secretly recorded.
2. She is playing phone call recordings and pretending the video goes along with them.
How does HLN get away with putting lies out there like that?
I hope the Ducketts get a lot of money from her…..she needs to be taught a lesson. Then I hope the Duke boys go after her too. And anyone else she has falsely convicted on her stupid show.
OJ…Ron’s mother never worked for PCSO. Crystal’s father did.
Is there a television broadcasting authority in the USA that regulates this stuff? She should not be allowed to broadcast blatant lies and should be fined each and every time she does, and if she breaks the rules enough, she should be taken off air. She is a disgrace.
OJ, If you are proven wrong in the end, will you be willing to admit you were wrong about Misty? You’ve been very consistent and outspoken about your beliefs about Misty, so I wonder, if it turns out she really DOES know something and always HAS known something, and it’s proven, how will you handle that fact? Not being sarcastic at all..just wondering.
I have this same question about a lot of posters who have consistently defended one side or another and stood strongly behind their beliefs; not just you, so I’m not singling you out..just curious, I guess.
You just always seem to say the same thing every post you make and that’s certainly your prerogative.
Me, Rons Mother was a despatcher, thats why she had on a sheriffs jacket that night.
I shouldn’t listen to NG…I rarely do…watching it on youtube at the moment and it’s making me soooo angry.
She keeps saying Misty was “The last person to see this little girl alive”.
1. There is zero proof she is dead.
2. She’s already convicted her as the last person to see her. Even LE doesn’t say that.
Someone, please take this crazy liar off the tv.
jojo,
She didn’t work for PCSO. Johnny Sheffield did.
KeepItReal,
How are you going to handle it if you find out she didn’t know anything? She is a teenager…I’d rather be in a position of giving her the benefit of the doubt than being part of a witch hunt against a teenager. I suspect you and some others will feel tremendous guilt. Nothing to feel guilty about for not convicting a teenager before she’s even charged with anything.
LFORIDA…..IMO, you are very cold hearted, your way or no way, ackkkkk, time to get up and run around the room or something! …would you like me to send you some California sunshine your way?
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Dear TJ,
I thank you for all your weekly updates, for all your concern, for all your time, for all your caring, for all your integrity, and for all your honor.
God Bless you, I hope your health is restored soon. Thank You for being the voice of TRUTH for Haleigh.
I will miss your weekly updates.
me, if you had read my post correctly, you would have noticed that I used the word IF it turns out misty does know something. I’ve never said she DID know anything. OJ comes on and states the same words every day, and people have belittled him in the past. I was just trying to figure out if he would be able to accept anything other than those same words he/she posts every time he/she posts, lol.
I feel no guilt whatsoever as I have not bashed or trashed EITHER side of the family; I’ve participated in different theories, as all have, but I’m not one of those who defend nor bash any of the families involved, no matter what my personal opinion of them may be.
Thank you for re-reading.
KeepItReal,
I see what you are saying. I am sorry. I am cranky today and jumped to a conclusion. Please accept my apology.
IMO, Misty does know something, it could be anything , but she hasnt been truthful in what she told LE about that night, and the nights leading up to that night,anything she has kept hiden could hold a clue to what happened to HaLeigh, She has not told the truth about what happened that night, LE knows more then we do and they say she hasnt tol the truth about her actions that night, So therefore I say, if you havent done anything wrong, then there is no need in not telling the whole truth and nothing but, so, she has lied for a reason, and therefore she knows something.
KeepItReal,
I understand what you are saying and I agree that no matter what anyone might think has happened, what if the thinking we have is wrong?
None of us could ever 100% be certain until all of the facts come out.
What I think does not matter. What can be proven is the only thing that does matter. You generalized your question pretty much so I think it is safe for any one of us to give our thoughts yeah?
I personally want my belief to be wrong. I would jump and shout and cry my eyes out with pure joy to be wrong.
There were many who were wrong about Jaycee Duggard’s case. How many people full on believed that her case had gone a different direction?
I want to be exactly like one of those people and have their reactions as to when the news came out that Jaycee was still alive being kept in that backyard shed.
jmvho
Goodnight everyone. I am pretty certain that I just had a meltdown of my own just now.
Take care.
me said,in March 13th, 2010 at 12:20
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apology accepted. I think this is getting to ALL of us, and I think it has had a horrible effect on TJ’s health also. I wish for him all the best this world has to offer. He is truely the best and will be greatly missed!
Tuff Stuff said,in March 13th, 2010 at 12:24 am
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Tuff, I know exactly what you’re saying.
Believe me, I want my belief to be as wrong as it possibly can be! So I’m hearing ya!
Sleep well. Meltdowns are a regular with me these days!
ronfan said,in March 12th, 2010 at 7:33 pm A possible theory is that everyone is involved cuz of drug dealings..it all trickles down to the lowest person dealing..No one will talk, because once it starts, the trail will lead on and on. The higher up people fear for their lifeā¦the bottom buyers/dealers are simply scared of jail! LE bribes the lowers by asking them to snitch in return for reduction or no sentence. The higher ups are in danger of getting exposedā¦whoās gonna be dumb enuf to start talking?? Or worse, whoās gonna turn snitch??
Therefore, there is an understanding that no one talks or we all fall down.
LE is NOTORIOUS for being in the deals.
So, who can ANY OF THESE PEOPLE rely on, when no one CAN TALK?
Itās not a matter of WHO KNOWS WHAT AND WHY they WONT talkā¦.on the contrary, itās a fact that EVERYONE BETTER NOT TALK.
Even LE.
Oh, and Johnny Sheffield used to work for PCSO on the right side of the law. Too bad he turned criminal, and has connections to ORGANIZED CRIME.
Okay, heres the hint: Who needs to shutup,and who has power? Problem is, EVERYONE needs to shutup; next problem is, EVERYONE has power OVER ONE ANOTHERā¦some large,some small.
WHO wants something?? Why?
Who in this scenario has the ability to get help and aid in accomplishing their plan??
Iāve been wondering why and how it is possible that all these FAMILIES are tied together in such a complex way??? EASY.
The DUMB ones talk WAY too much. Usually itās either to cover their arse, or stupidly gloat.
The SMART ones donāt say anything, and there are 2 opposing possibilities why.
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Ronfan , I like the way you think.
Always questioning the obvious and understanding the true potential of all of these families involved and their close and extended associates.
Ofcourse we do not have any idea what the whole truth of these two cases are and how they relate to one another, but, we can assume they are relevant to one another due to the slow task of resolving this case and approach LE has visiable demonstrated and still has not been able to name a suspect nor have they found Haleigh.
It is clear that the FDEA has been makeing it clear they are taking down the drug trade on various levels in Putnam County and it is not surprising that Ron and Misty where caught up in the cultural past time of the area and under the table ability to make cash.
Cobra seemed to be hitting that seedy side of this case and stepped on some toes, and possible not just KP’s.
We are now all aware that they here all doing drugs and the grandparents have had a past as well with drugs. It is also my opinion that the families where all aware of these younguns drug addictions and dealings way before HaLeigh came up missing.
I have been thinking………….
The one that has been the most quiet is Amber Brooks and I have always been of the opinion that they are the ones you realy need to worry bout.
Take a look at Ambers,Nay Nay’s and Misty’s booking photos and tell me who do you really think is the street smart one out of that line up.
KeepItReal,
Thank you so much for that. I so agree re TJ. I hope he is feeling better soon and able to join us again.
I still have so many theories, and do believe it is possible that Misty is lying about something, though I’m not sure what. But I hope my #1 theory is right…because that would mean Haleigh is still with us!
I almost want to bet Nay Nay is one of the two that will get hurt.
TJ, I am praying for you
Thank you for everything; will miss you
Not realy knowing what all has been reported on TJ health issues all I can say is I do hope he gets well soon.
Could the “one we care about” be…HaLeigh?
What if the mexicians do have HaLeigh and are
holding her? just some thoughts.
I was just thinking about what Misty said about her tatoo, she said that Ronald told her that to prove her Love for him she needed to get a tatoo of his name and she did, I would think if he had that much control over her then he would have said to prove your Love for me you need to tell me where HaLeigh is or what happened that night.
jojo said,
in March 12th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Me, Rons Mother was a despatcher, thats why she had on a sheriffs jacket that night.
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jojo,
Ron’s mother was not a dispatcher. She worked in the record department of the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office.
Never in PCSO.
Thank You Texasmommy 39! I really appreciate your comment.
More interesting facts:
1. Kim Picazio told Johnny Sheffield to fire Cobra once Cobra became “suspicious” of the Sheffield family due to the fake search,fake evidence, and no alibis questioned of them.
2.Johnny Sheffield and Cobra remained on good friendly terms; immediately after J.S. fired Cobra, Ruby Kanger (J.S. mother in law) re-hired Cobra back as the P.I. !!
3. Johnny Sheffield admitted that he told pcsd to “stay away” from Cobra. (cuz he knew too much??) No One questioned it. (remember he was a sheriff for pcso, then turned criminal)
4. LE has NEVER released any alibi for Johnny Sheffield. Why? Either it’s purposely being disclosed, or he doesn’t have one??? Either way, isn’t that strange??
5. After the fake search scenario mess, when J.Sheffield feared there might be trouble, that’s when him, wife Connie, Ruby, and Marie fled to Kentucky. Kentucky is a no bond state.
6. In all of the interviews of Crystal and her attorney Kim Picazio, notice how they only speak of custody issues and Ron being abusive.
Nothing about Haleigh. There mission was all about making Ron look bad, and Crystal getting Custody.
7. BUT, initiallly after Haleigh disappeared, Crystal stated she believed that Misty and Ronald were truthful and that they had nothing to do with it. (Marie probably beat her up after that one!)
8. The mexicans are not even a drop in the bucket…just low life users/dealers driving around w/the girls; typical life for them.
9. Ron has had an absolutely clean record since he became a father. (this does not include the former arrests this past year) strange, though, all that time and absolutely clean. If he were on prob., he would be getting drug tested and having supervised visits from prob.officers.
10.Ron’s being protected; could be 2 different reasons why….Also, he is always tight lipped-smart.. no blabbing…Why?? Very careful. That Man is the smartest one here.
Did anyone watch Nancy Grace tonight . Wonder who misty wrote the letter to and what it says about Haleigh’s disappearance?
ky mom,
I don’t think Misty can even write….she only went to grade 6 in school…she has talked about how she wants to learn to read and write. I think AH is full of baloney.
ronfan,
I agree those are very interesting facts you have listed so succinctly!
FWIW, Ruby is also on record talking about how disgusted she is with Marie wanting to make money out of this, and how she turned it into a business in no time with tshirt sales etc. There is an interview of her out there somewhere.
I also find it interesting that Marie quickly associated herself with the As and the people they are using to help get Casey off….like Dominic Casey, the As themselves, and now Joy Wray.
ronfan,
Re your point #6, ITA, and that’s one of the big reasons I am so suspicious of them. Wasted so much precious tv time in the days following Haleigh’s disappearance trashing Ron, when you’d think they should have been concerned about finding Haleigh. Also, with Haleigh still missing, how and why did they find the time to start selling tshirts and bracelets and start Haleighbug within 4-5 weeks?
Re your point #7, LOL re marie beating her up! It’s very interesting how Marie always answers questions asked of Crystal.
I personally think everything will be found out soon. And I also think That Crystal should not have Jr. If she is failing drug test.. I mean what is up with that? I don’t care if she is doing rehab. They should not give Jr. to her unless her and Chad both can pass a drug test….
POOR LITTLE BUTTERBEAN his whole life has been torn upside down….
ky mom,
I totally agree. I wonder if they are still drug testing her and wonder if Chad is also being tested? I’m not sure she’s still with Chad…I heard she had a new boyfriend, but that could just be rumour.
I do hope that if they take him from her, that he’s placed with GGMS, rather than put into foster care. I am also at a loss to understand how she is financially supporting all those kids. If it’s true that Chad’s kids also live with her (and I’m not sure I believe that as it came from KP & crew), then they’ve got to come up with money for 5 kids or more. It’s a shame she spent so much time trashing Ron when Haleigh went missing…I think that if she hadn’t done that, he probably would have kept his job, which was obviously in Jr’s best interest. Now I guess they live off welfare?
What does Chad do for a living?
Crystal’s myspace page still has Chad as her #1 friend…. Have you looked at it?
She did have a message to misty on there..
ky mom,
No idea what he does. I am guessing he’s unemployed. Thirteen months and we don’t even know that, which, imo is really bad. No one seems to have asked that side anything…they were given a complete pass.
I read a few things she said about Misty….I got the impression she was jealous of Misty.
She has Misty as a friend on myspace. I think that is odd too considering they hate each other.
The only thing about Chad doing something to Haleigh is how would he know the back door would be unlocked. Ron said they never use that door right?
ky mom,
Good point. At least Tommy had the opportunity to open it when he was there earlier that night. Could the lock be opened from the outside with a key? Locksmiths have master keys, and some of those hit the black market. If she went out, would she have left the house unlocked?
ronfan–just read your interesting facts. I am in total agreement. Why isn`t screaming from the rooftops and DEMANDING ANSWERS about her missing daughter? Is the Haleighbug foundation still in operation and has any searches been organized by the foundation? Her slience is deafening and speaks volumes to me. Her lack of effort and response to this disappearance leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
ky mom,
And the same question applies if it was a RSO. Maybe that’s why LE is convinced it was someone known to them.
Sorry I meant to put Crystal in there screaming from the rooftops..sorry
robin,
I totally agree. And ky mom has posed a good question. If it was someone from that side of the family, how the heck did they get in there?
Maybe they went in through the front and out the back? Or gained entry through a window, then went out the back? But someone still had to put the brick there. Could there have been 2 people there? Or had a master key? If they had a master key, that opens pretty much any lock.
Or perhaps misty unlocked it at some point to go out the back and doesn’t want to admit it because she knows Ron and others would be upset with her?
At the beginning (in an interview) Crystal had knowledge of that locked door–what kind of lock was used. I thought that was odd considering she never claimed to have visited there or been inside the MH.
robin,
Yes, it was also odd how Marie said Crystal had been in the house, then said she got that wrong. She also got Chad’s alibi wrong!
The baby died on the 9th not the 10th…before Ronald went to work..Misty put her in a shallow grave..where a WHITE haired heavy set man lives..around the age of 50 or 60..the baby was kicked in the ribs twice..wrapped in a comforter that has small flowers on it..the van in question was used to take her out of the MH. her remains will be found and atleast two of the three in jail will be charged.just saying
Debunked–How do you explain the people who claimed to have seen Haleigh AFTER Ron went to work ALIVE AND WELL?
My prayers go out to TJ. How he will be missed by so many. I pray he is back on his feet soon. Thank you TJ for all you have done keeping us informed regarding the Haleigh Case.
Thank You, Jan and Simon as well. I look forward to your show on Sunday.
Jan 57 said,
in March 12th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Who has the Mexican theory,i would like to read it.
Jan 57: JB posted it on March 12 at 5:27 pm.
Debunked, if that happened, why hasn’t LE found the body yet? Wouldn’t the dogs have found her?
Although it seems like H could have been kicked in the ribs and internally bled to death slowly, therefore reports of her being alive after R went to work are accurate.
The explanation is the type of thing I start with because it is simple and involves the most obvious people.
About the van, though, it was thoroughly processed and if they found anything wouldn’t they still have it in custody? But the van isn’t essential to the main idea.
sick imature people Lindsay amused at the death of a child?
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:ArYJJgBRTHIJ:www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin+http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
these people truly dont know the Lord and live in trash- some people just want to burn.
JB, I was thinking more about the mexican drug dealers being behind HaLeigh’s disapperance and can’t figure why this would be so hard for LE if that were true. I’m probably just being dense, but what do you think makes it so hard for PCSO, FDLE and the FBI to get to the bottom of something like that?
TJ, I enjoyed reading your reports and listening to you give us so much information in your radio reports. Thank you, your work was greatly appreciated! But, your physical and mental health and your relationship with your family should be your #1 priority. As much as we will miss you, we want you to be happy and healthy! You did this job well, but now it’s time to get your life back. You have earned it!
I think it’s highly pbssible that whoever planned Haleigh’s abduction is not the one who physically took her. Someone else was recruited and paid with either money or, more likely drugs. At the very least, someone or ones enabled her to be taken by unlocking the back door and signaling to someone that the coast was clear (e.g., by removing a blanket from a window?)
It may very well have been that the original intention was to take Haleigh for a short time to scare her father (for revenge?) and then “return” her. But the almost instant media attention scared whoever was involved with this plan. Who knows what they have done with this poor child since. I think that everybody involved with this crime is afraid to say anything because they don’t know what has become of her.
Aligoo, your ideas fit really well with Crystal’s family being the ones who took her. It seems like they could get a key to the back door relatively easily, or have some one who Misty knows go to the door and let them in. And I agree, likely the idea was to “let the case go cold,” and then return HaLeigh. But the media attention messed up that plan. Great message to anyone thinking about doing this sort of thing, “WE’RE WATCHING!” There isn’t a lot us average people can do but at least we can keep talking and watching.
Looks like Misty wrote a letter to a relative that says what happened that night. I bet her lawyer is pulling his hair out by the hand fulls…. She must have been half believed because LE copied the letter and from whats been said are going over it with a fine tooth comb. Will there be enough evidence to make the letter work? Or is it a ploy and she is throwing someone under the bus again. jmo
I just hope that LE keeps an open mind. I’m sure that they are as entrenched in their throries as everyone else is. There are so many red herrings in this case that it’s ridiculous and the big challenge to LE is to get collaborating evidence. I hope that the FBI is still fully engaged. Lastly, I hope this finally leads to this poor sweet little girl.
robin said,in March 13th, 2010 at 5:28 am At the beginning (in an interview) Crystal had knowledge of that locked doorāwhat kind of lock was used. I thought that was odd considering she never claimed to have visited there or been inside the MH.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/13/ijvm.01.html
SNIPPED BY ME FOR SPACE:
GRIFFIS: I don`t know anything about the TV. My daughter, Crystal, has been in that house, and she said Haleigh and Junior have beds set up in one room and then there`s a big bed in the room that, I guess, Ronald and Misty would sleep in, and that`s the one that we understand that they were all three in.
Also of intrest is this comment from Marie Griffis āMy feeling all along, Haleigh is not in this area. Iāve been adamant about it. I know sheās out of state somewhere. Donāt ask me how I know, it is right here in my gut,ā Haleighās grandmother, Marie Griffis, told First Coast News reporter Lindy Thackston at a vigil Thursday night. The family has held the vigil every night since Haleigh disappeared.
āI have no idea why, but I know HaLeigh is fine, but I donāt feel HaLeighās⦠I donāt feel HaLeigh here in this area ā sheās not here ā sheās, sheās somewhere else – someone has got her and has transported her out of Florida and something just keeps – it stays in my mind constantly, Georgia – Alabama – Georgia Alabama.ā
āEverybody tells me, well a sexual offender done this. I just donāt feel that. Whoever has her knows her,ā Griffis
DeBunked said,in March 13th, 2010 at 7:18 am The baby died on the 9th not the 10thā¦before Ronald went to work..Misty put her in a shallow grave..where a WHITE haired heavy set man lives..around the age of 50 or 60..the baby was kicked in the ribs twice..wrapped in a comforter that has small flowers on it..the van in question was used to take her out of the MH. her remains will be found and atleast two of the three in jail will be charged.just saying
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tobias said,in March 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm Looks like Misty wrote a letter to a relative that says what happened that night. I bet her lawyer is pulling his hair out by the hand fullsā¦. She must have been half believed because LE copied the letter and from whats been said are going over it with a fine tooth comb. Will there be enough evidence to make the letter work? Or is it a ploy and she is throwing someone under the bus again. jmo
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I have to ask each of you if your above comments are theories, psychic tips or second hand gossip?
When it is clear that the facts that we do know are in conflict with such comments and theories it makes one relize that there is a continued effort to confuse the facts and manipulate the publics opinion even if it is unknowingly or unintentional done by a arm chair sleuth.
The what ifs are quiet different than a statement that claims it to be fact such as the ones I have quoted above.
JMO
BBL
Back from my rescue mission in Florida. Baby sister filing for a divorce and came back home to TEXAS!!!!!
Hi Tobias,
Where did you get your info on the letter?
I’m getting the feeling this will be another jon benet ramsey case..the police and the media have beat the bushes, arrested the usual suspects and are no closer to finding haleigh. I hope it turns out she was taken by someone who wanted to give her a better life and is fine and taken care of. I want her safe.
DeBunked said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 7:18 am
The baby died on the 9th not the 10thā¦before Ronald went to work..Misty put her in a shallow grave..where a WHITE haired heavy set man lives..around the age of 50 or 60..the baby was kicked in the ribs twice..wrapped in a comforter that has small flowers on it..the van in question was used to take her out of the MH. her remains will be found and atleast two of the three in jail will be charged.just saying
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riiiight…. I guess that was her ghost the neighbors, AC man, Tommy and the kids, and Mrs Sykes and her companion saw after Ron went to work. The van was taken by and processed by LE for a couple of weeks and returned because there was NO forensics in it….just sayin’
romewi,
AH is the source of info for the letter. Last I heard Misty didn’t know how to write.
texasmommy, I don’t know about Debunkeds post, but I’m here to tell ya’ that tobias would never post something that tobias hasn’t checked out first. Misty DID write a letter to a family member, it was on the news…just sayin’
methinks,
Hope your abcess is better?
Was the letter on the news? I only saw AH tell NG about it….and I’d hardly call NG or AH “the news”!
DeBunked said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 7:18 am
The baby died on the 9th not the 10thā¦before Ronald went to work..Misty put her in a shallow grave..where a WHITE haired heavy set man lives..around the age of 50 or 60..the baby was kicked in the ribs twice..wrapped in a comforter that has small flowers on it..the van in question was used to take her out of the MH. her remains will be found and atleast two of the three in jail will be charged.just saying
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uh huh… nevermind, I think you know what you are. no need for me to bring it up.
me, My tooth is much better. thank you. and yes, I believe it was NG that had it on. bit I don’t think AH brought it up first…which I guess still leaves it in queston. I do believe it though. I think misty is able to read and write, but I don’t think she’s able to do either very well. Her dad however, is completely illiterate as far as I know.
bit=but
methinks said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
texasmommy, I donāt know about Debunkeds post, but Iām here to tell yaā that tobias would never post something that tobias hasnāt checked out first. Misty DID write a letter to a family member, it was on the newsā¦just sayinā
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yea, but was it on the news elsewhere besides what Art Harrass has said. š His sources close to the investigation all have the last name of Croslin š
methinks,
I watched NG, and it was AH that raised it….he said he was still trying to get it confirmed and would put a story on his site when he did. I really don’t trust anything AH says. If TJ had reported it, well then I would trust it!
Glad your tooth is better….abcesses are just horrible!
GRACE: Art, please stop! S-T-O-P. Because she was just saying, I`ve done 23 days already, and I`m going to get into drug court. She doesn`t get it! She`s not scared!
HARRIS: Well, that`s what the family is telling me, that off-camera, Nancy, the investigators have had an effect on her. And right now, they are investigating a letter she has sent to a family member telling what she says she knows about that night with Haleigh.
GRACE: OK. Now, there`s some breaking news. Tell me some more about the letter.
HARRIS: Well, the letter has gone to a family member. The family member turned it over to investigators, and they are trying to see what details in the letter they can confirm, what they can`t. They believe, I`m told, some things Misty says. They don`t believe others. The problem with Misty, Nancy, is that if whoever she says or claims did whatever they did, she`s got to have corroboration on the witness stand. She is not a credible witness at this point.
heres a snippit…I stand corrected.
There is actually a story in our newspaper this morning about how many children are being abducted by non-custodial parents…how the children are taken out of school, have their appearances changed etc. I so hope that is what has happened in this case!
I assume all her incoming and outgoing mail is screened…so, it seems the authorities didn’t think it was worth intercepting, but someone in her family did??
What is wrong with that family, talking to AH about her every chance they can get? Don’t they know of AH’s agenda and that he doesn’t want to help Misty, just exploit her? IMO, her family are demonstrating time and time again that they’d sell her out for a buck. I hope she gets counselling while in jail and cuts ties from them.
vaquera said,in March 13th, 2010 at 3:55 pm yea, but was it on the news elsewhere besides what Art Harrass has said. His sources close to the investigation all have the last name of Croslin
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Thx for that. I don’t have access to the local news, and just get NG from youtube. She isn’t broadcast where I live, which is a good thing!!!
Why do these idiots keep talking to Art Harrass (lol)?
I would imagine that if indeed, she did write this letter, and I believe she did, that it was intercepted, photocopied, and sent along it’s merry way. This is a great opportunity for investigators to see what happens to it when it arrives at its destination. Whether or not the addressee turns it into authorities speaks volumes. I think the letter accuses Tommy and cousin joe and was sent to chelsey. She probably gave it to Hank who turned it in in hopes of getting himself and maybe lisa a deal on their charges…maybe?
methinks,
I have no doubt Hank would sell his own children out to help himself…in fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was info he gave PCSO after he was arrested on Dr. shopping, that set off the whole sting operation.
I agree, that if the letter exists, it probably points to Tommy and/or Joe.
me, Yep, he definately strikes me as the kind of guy that would have no problem selling out his children…but I think if he had to choose, misty would go first…thats why he’s saying to her, I know what your saying and I don’t believe you. It’s quite possible he could have supplied the sting info.
VAQ – What local news source has that? I haven’t seen or heard anything.
TIA.
Well, heck, VAQ – I can’t tell who said it was on the local news, so pls forgive if it wasn’t you.
Whoever actually did write that, please indicate what your source is.
WinnterROoze – why are you posting that link re: the sex offender? I don’t know Chelsea or her family but JMO it’s quite a fantastic leap to make a connection between her and that RSO.
Thank you for keeping it real.
P.S. Watch out for fake myspace links. They can and will COMPLETELY WRECK your computer.
Can anybody tell me about the “fuseaction” part of the myspace URLs? tia
LFlorida,
You’re such a moron,noone wants to hear your bs,so why do you follow people around to be your usual Biotch self?Everyone’s had to hear a year of your crap and noone likes you so just go away.
He’s not a SO,duh,don’t you know anything?Oh that’s right you get your info by pming people,so you can suck info and post it like you know something.Go back to your snakepit.”I’m a local”,well that’s something to be proud of and tells us alot. Pfftt!!!
Why don’t you look up info for yourself for a change?
LFlorida said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
VAQ – What local news source has that? I havenāt seen or heard anything.
TIA.
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local news source for what?
WinterRose said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
LFlorida,
Youāre such a moron,noone wants to hear your bs,so why do you follow people around to be your usual Biotch self?Everyoneās had to hear a year of your crap and noone likes you so just go away.
Heās not a SO,duh,donāt you know anything?Oh thatās right you get your info by pming people,so you can suck info and post it like you know something.Go back to your snakepit.āIām a localā,well thatās something to be proud of and tells us alot. Pfftt!!!
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you go girl. LOL
vaquera said,in March 13th, 2010 at 11:46 pm LFlorida said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
VAQ – What local news source has that? I havenāt seen or heard anything.
TIA.
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local news source for what?
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Good question Vaq. LOL
Nite all. Pray for Haleigh!!!!
night, Anne. I have no idea what she is talking about š
I believe Misty knows exactly what happened that night, she has said too much not too, she knows if she ever tells she will spend the rest of her life in prison and she would rather take her drug charges and let it go at that, the only thing is, she likes the attention too much also and so at some point and time, I do believe she is gonna say something.
Vaquera,
Your welcome.LOL š
Aligoo and Kate (posts from 11:16/11:20; I had posted that theory this past week. Might sound crazy, but I think Johnny Sheffield had inside info on Ron he could hold over his head, and used it to ultimately get what he (Johnny)and ALL the SHEFFIELDS wanted: custody of Haleigh; AND a message to Ron to shutup and back off and leave Crystal alone.
I’m thinking J.Sheffield has information he could use against Ron; so the plan was to be that Ron would back off for awhile…
J.S. needed people that would be desperate enuf to do the job,but had to have access to the mh, perfect candidates: CousinJoe and Tommy. They both hate Ron, and Haleigh wasn’t getting harmed in any way.
Ultimately, wasn’t supposed to escalate into such a high profile case.
J.S. planned it to be a inside family abduction; assuming Ron would know that the Sheffields have Haleigh.
But it backfired; and I believe no matter what J.Sheffield had to hold over Ron and threaten him with, Ron just didn’t give a sh**, and that’s why that 911 call is so chilling. It’s as if Ron knew who it was, and that’s why he made that VERY DIRECT threat.
Ron always refers to the “one or two of them”.Interesting, go back and listen to him from the beginning. He is very subtle and even tho he doesn’t say much, what he does say is insidious.
Now, as per my last post,everyone is involved, because no one can talk,snitch, or else.
All their heads will roll.
What breaks my heart is that Ron would and will do ANYTHING to get his daughter back, I personally think he is in on everything.
Last point: perhaps LE is afraid too. Their heads will roll also. Drugs,money,organized crime. J.Sheffield-sheriff for pcso-turns criminal long rap sheet-has ties to organized crime. Johnny Sheffield is in a position of getting ANYTHING he wants. And, they fled out of state conveniently fast.
2 possibilities: either LE is hiding info about them because LE is just as dirty, and involved.
Or, they are waiting until the Sheffields get comfortable and lazy.
Either way, I think Haleigh is alive, and is being cared for in a set-up family in another state. Go back to Ron in jailhouse convo w/mom and he mentions Crystal moving to Texas,Montana, etc..As for all the Haleigh Sightings, it is NO COINCIDENCE that the sightings coincide w/every state the Sheffields just happen to be in at the very same time. And what about the sightings where Cousin Joe and Grandma Croslin live in Tn, and in Mass. where Timmy lives.
Sorry long post.
I have another question; Ron refers to his cop friend in jail as Jason.
There was a man named Jason who was booked at the exact same time, he is listed right along with the whole gang.
BUT, he was coincidentaly bailed out IMMEDIATELY.
UNDERCOVER??
Jason is Jason Joliecour with the FDLE
ronfan,
Your theory is quite interesting.
Reading it I thought about how Johnny seemed to know who NayNay was. Could Johnny have possibly asked NayNay to unlock the door?
I also can’t get it out of my head that Kyle Johns, the closest RSO to Haleigh’s house at only 500 feet away is somehow related to Marie (Marie’s maiden name was Johns)…it looks like she’s his aunt. The map from his RSO flyer has the house as being behind Haleigh’s and it looks like he very possibly had a view to Haleigh’s home. I just keep thinking of Marie on the video re Chad saying words to the effect of “he only lives 500 feet away, of course I knew he was home”. Could Kyle have been watching the comings and goings from Haleigh’s home? How far can they wander from home before their bracelet alarms? How do we know if he even had a bracelet?
And, what about the coincidence that Donald Sapp, the second closest RSO to where Haleigh lived (who is now back in jail for molesting another child), had just moved from Macclenny to Satsuma a few weeks before Haleigh went missing???? What a weird coincidence that he moved from where Crystal & Marie lived (which is a tiny town) to where Ron lived (another tiny town)???
Just took another look and Kyle Johns was not under supervision at the time, which means no bracelet, monitoring etc.
I think I may (just may) have solved a piece of the puzzle. Many of us have been wondering how someone associated with Marie might have been able to get a key to the house. As it turns out, it looks like Crystal`s cousin (Marie`s nephew), Kyle Johns, who lived right behind Haleigh, also had the same landlord as Ron. The landlord of course would have had a key, as would have anyone managing the properties for the landlord. I would hope PCSO have spoken to the landlord and figured out who had keys.
And, I wonder if Johnny knew Kyle.
So, it seems Kyle could have very easily watched the house (as I said he may have even had a view of it from his house…same mobile home park) and known if and when Misty left, and he may have also been able to gain access to a key.
I hate blogging alone! Different time zone here!
I`d post the link to the property records, but I don`t think links will post. But the records show the same owner on both properties.
This is an extract from the police report and describes the track the tracking canines followed…seems the officer who wrote it wasn`t much of a speller…spells canine, canon!
“Police initiated a track beginning at the back door and down a wooded path, as we travelled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be asmall child’s footprint in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh’s shoes were still located inside the residence. The track lead up to a small pond and then back to the railroad crossing. At the last residence on the right side of the Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building but found no one insire
The track then continued past the north residence, where police made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop back to Monroe Avenue. We then made a left onto Tyler Street, and travelled past 116 Tyler, which is a location where Misty stated she had walked with Haleigh in the past. We then made a right turn on BUffalo Bluff Road to the railroad crossing, where we found were forced to end the track, because the canon was unable to follow it any further.“
So, it looks like she may have gone from home, to a part of Monroe (it`s a street that curves around) then to the other part of Monroe via Buchanan. Interesting.
Didn’t Ron say that he changed the locks and that no one else had a key (paraphrasing)?
More research…
Donald Sapp was living with a Griffis in Satsuma, and had just moved there from Macclenny on Jan. 26th…13 days before Haleigh goes missing. He was the 2nd closest RSO to Haleigh and had just moved from Macclenny.
I assume Crystal would have been receiving warning letters re unpaid child support and threats of legal action for contempt before the proceedings were actually commenced.
cent, you`re up! I`m not talking to myself…lol. Hope you are feeling much better.
He may well have said that…I don`t remember him saying it though. But even if he changed locks, the landlord probably still would have had a key…at least I know that where I live the landlord always has to have a key.
Just dropped in for a sec… When I lived in an apartment, I changed the locks and never gave one to the landlord!
Got to go do a breathing treatment… See Ya later in the day!!
I was just googling and a tenant does have to give a landlord the key if they change the locks in Florida.
See you soon. Hope you keep improving!
Just looking at the pic of the chair they found in the woods again…very creepy, especially the fact there was also rope and a shovel with it.
And I just came across a statement by Ron that he thought the locks were bumped. These days it is soooo easy to get into a locked door. Anyone who has ever locked themselves out (as I have many times) knows this. The locksmith can gain entry as quick as if he used the actual key….scary.
And now, it`s bedtime for me.
Me, yes your are correct, tenants ARE suppose to give one to landlord/owner… but not meeee! lol
Cent! me neither!
We finally got some spring like weather here in minnesota! yey! I’m thinkin’ it’s a good day to go outide and play! The sun is out, the rain has knocked out much of the snow and I’m ready to explore the great outdoors…walking lightly…not to step on land mines!!!!!if ya’ get my drift!
MeThinks… are you in MINN…. for reals!!!!
cent,
LOL. I had a landlord break into my house once (they used their key) and stole my camera….long story. So, cause I couldn’t change the locks, I put an alarm on the house so the next time they tried it, they’d hear wailing sirens. The law said I had to give them the code to turn off the alarm, but there was no way in heck I was gonna do that. Moved out weeks later, so never busted them.
Me.. exactly!!! Now a days… landlords, managers can NOT be trusted!
Yep, I had 2 landlords in a row turn my life into a nightmare. 1st one, when I moved out, basically threatened me that if I didn’t give him $20 000 in damages (there was NO damage), that he’d contact my new landlord etc. I told him if he wanted money from me, he could take me to the landlord/tenant court but he was not to threaten/stalk/molest/harrass me etc. A week later, the new landlord broke in, stole my camera etc. They were calling me from out front of my house to see if I was home, stalked me etc. I had to move quick smart, change my phone numbers etc. They wanted the camera to prove I had cats. Crazy stuff and freaked me out. I’m trying to buy a house at the moment so I never have to go through that again. Sorry for the ot.
The first landlord had my new address as they indicated they would mail me my security deposit there…so they must have gone to property records to find out my new landlords name…and when they called her, she jumped on the bandwagon and broke in! I can’t tell you how much it shook me up.
Hidden/Nanny Cams are becoming best friends to a lot of people… especially women!! It’s sad but necessary!
LOL…I actually set up a webcam on each of the 2 doors and turned it on to record everytime I went out!
what happen to todays show?
OJ what show?
got to go do breathing treatment and then nap… be back later! ME… keep the cameras rolling lol, you never know!! some landlords break in to steal food… saw that on youtube..lol
The truth is the truth……….and that fell out of Misty’s mouth!
I have been cathing up this morning and listening to the tapes that all of you have been chatting about. Misty is in the safest place she could be right now in my opinion….. I would be on my way back to Florida to commit a felony against this minor!!!!!!!!
Putting all that aside, I did notice that Misty did in fact write a letter and I would bet it was to Hank Sr.
It probably was in code, because Hank Sr. states “I think I understand who you are trying to say and I don’t believe that”and Misty then says ” Well, I am telling you.”
I am thinking that it is not Tommy or cousin Joe that Misty is accusing but someone that Hank does know as well as Chelsae.
The only two people that come to mind that Misty will be sad to hurt is TN and GGMS. There is no one else that this family would care about and if Ron is Chelses first thought, I am assuming that it is the Cummings they would care about. Chelse made it clear that she did not like Ron.
Misty is the key all right to what is behind door #1
The person or person’s that had a motive and ability to take HaLeigh, but, Misty gave them the opportunity, but, how and why?
The other thing I am keeping in mind is LE’s statements that it is someone that knew this family.
Few come to mind that would have a motive and ability and then have had the opportunity to gain something from Misty, knowingly or unknowingly given or done.
The no forced entry issue is our first clue.
We can theorize that this one piece of the puzzle is where the key is necessary.
Did Misty give somene a key or access to a key or did she leave the door unlocked.
When did all this oppertunity take place? That night or the weekend before?
Nay Nay comes to mind at this point and that leads me straight to Amber Brooks.
This is where I have a problem…. what would Amber and Nay Nay get out of this? Would Misty willingly give these two the oppertunity?
It falls apart for me, until you look at the chain of events that took place after the abduction.
My hinky meter has been sounding alarms from the begining on the Bio moms side and have second guessed my instincts and judgment of their character many, many times and I still come back to them for the logical conclusion to this mystery.
The Search conducted by the Sheffields and Marie on March 22nd 2009.
Amber Brooks and Nay Nay are both arreasted together on April 20th 2009.
Nay Nay and Amber Brooks are both bonded out by Cobra and both girls bonds where revoked within days.
Nay Nay was willing to chit chat, but, Amber was silent.
We can connect the dots and come to the Sheffields and the wealth of dirt and information that was revealed and manufactured from day one.
The money that was collected in this child’s name began the day she went missing.
The legal actions against Crystal for non pamnt of support where stopped the very day HaLeigh was abducted and then paid in full within a month or so.
Crystals obvious choices to continue her drug use clearly demonstrates the selfishnes that it would take to commit such a crime against ones own child.
Crystals history is of lieing and playing the victim and she selfishly pulled these tricks as well, since the very day HaLeigh was abducted.
So I ask who had the motive, ability and the given oppertunity that Misty is now willing to reveale?
Who would Misty think would know who has HaLeigh alive and well to be found and returned?
cent,
LOL re stealing food….doesn’t surprise me at all. Glad you’re getting better.
simon’s show..its not on ;/
texasmommy,
Did you see the posts I did above re how access might have been gained to the house? I’m not so sure Misty gave it to them. But I’m with you re who had the motive etc. And given it seems like Chad has been getting questioned again by LE (according to TJ LE wouldn’t confirm or deny this), I think LE are looking at that side very closely, and I do think there will be an arrest soon.
But, against that, while I was researching last night, I came back to the possibility it was an RSO….it seems both Sapp & Johns may have been connected to Marie.
I sure hope they find her soon…I do believe she is most likely alive and being hidden by the other side.
OJ…there is a new thread talking about the show being cancelled today.
Hey guys, just want to jump in quick about the house key. Misty had one, but lost or misplaced it prior to that night. That’s why it was being said she did not have a key. She had been given one at one time. Anyway, the key was found, I do not know when it was found…but it was found by GGM.
And no, I can’t point you to where that info is because it was so long ago I saw it that I don’t recall.
This is absolute crazy!!!! The two RSO have ties to the Griffis- this is just unreal!!!
So,there’s even more people (RSO) who have connections AND can have easy access to the house..very odd about the one who just moved there…Donald Sapp.
But, whoever actually took Haleigh had to be someone she knew; BUT, what if they needed help in transferring her to wherever, and that’s why that RSO Donald Sapp suddenly moved there..kind of like an underground railroad? If you think about it, if J.Sheffield wanted his plan to succeed, he would recruit any and all to help him, like links in a chain.
Maybe she could have been “passed” over to different people, until she was finally with shady Johnny and creepy Marie. Haleigh wouldn’t question it, because that’s her family. But, since it got so much media exposure and attention, that’s why the Sheffields had to have her “hidden away” under the care of someone close to the family. And of course, trekking state to state.
And now J.S.’s stuck in a corner because EVERYONE IS INVOLVED, and as we’ve all agreed, it was never meant to be a media scenario.
OH, ABOUT THE KEY: (sorry, I just got off track, because I’m thinking who else could get in that house?? RONALD STATED HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD A KEY TO THE BACK DOOR…EXCEPT THE LANDLORD. The PCSO reported that they questioned the landlord and his wife, (he’s a reverend or something like that) and they were cleared.
cathartic,
Thanks for that. Perhaps someone “borrowed” the key for their own purposes. And maybe if she went out, she left the door unlocked cause she didn’t have a key?
Hope kitty is improving!
Exactly.
Her key could have been “borrowed” or lost,l and Misty left the door unlocked since she couldn’t find her key. Either door could have been left unlocked, actually. Just sayin’ if she did not have a key, if she went out she would have had to leave a door unlocked.
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me,
Kitty is improving, slowly. Very slowly; had to take him to the vet a second time. I hope he’s gonna be on the mend soon ’cause I’m running out of funds to keep taking him in. I already had to cancel a root canal on a tooth that bothers me from time to time. Just hoping it doesn’t wake up again ’cause that is pain on a level like no other.
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cathartic,
Glad kitty is improving. Is it possible the vet got it wrong and that he’s blocked rather than infected?? Hopefully he’ll be recovered very soon.
Re tooth pain…I hear ya….it’s awful…I paid $6000 for a bridge about a decade ago, and the guy messed it up, and I’ve had to learn to deal with it as it would cost me a fortune to get it out and start again. And, this week I am in for big kitty expenses too, as my Benjamin is booked for surgery on Thursday. Kitties come first around here too!
Hopefully things will be better for you very soon.
cathartic,
And if she did go out and leave a door unlocked, I can see her not wanting to admit to that for fear she’d be blamed for Haleigh going missing.
Cathartic, sorry your pain!
shit.. see how the meds are working.. I keep leaving out words
me, Yes! She would not admit to leaving the kids alone.
One thing to think of is maybe someone lured her out of there. Like called her to do a deal, to meet them somewhere close by, and she went thinking she would only be gone a short time. And when she came back Haleigh was gone.
But I know she is not telling LE the truth about that night. She may not know anything about Haleigh, but I believe that would only be if she wasn’t there when whatever happened, happened.
I do believe it is possible if she left someone saw her leave, or knew she was leaving, then tried the door(s). I also think if this happened she discovered Haleigh gone sooner, much earlier than she said, and she went about clearing out drugs, etc., from the home because she knew she would have to call LE.
Just another theory among so many. But she knows something, or did something that night that she isn’t telling. All I can say is if she left, she was home again soon and didn’t see anyone while she was gone that would be willing to come forth and say they saw her out.
JMO.
HI BA, if you are still here š
Cathartic: Ron made a statement on the news right after the disappearance that he and the landlord are the ONLY who have a key to that backdoor. He also added that it had only been opened two times since they had been living there; and,he was adament that before he went to work he ALWAYS CHECKED THE DOOR{S}.
Knowing Ron, just what we see from him, he seems like the type that wouldn’t “allow” anyone else to have a key, lol!!
It’s on youtube, just go on Ronald Cummings and it’s there. I am dying to know about the info on Misty having a key. Please remember!!!My head is spinning!! Poor Ron, I bet the whole neighborhood had keys!!! There’s probably a basket of them buried somewhere in Palatka..LOL (but hank kept his!!)
I had a question: Isn’t there supposed to be a certain type of key that is encoded so it can’t be copied. One place I rented in the past was like that.
RonFan, it didn’t have to be the back door key she lost. It could have been the front. And she could have left either door open if she didn’t have a key to get back inside the home. She could have lived there and not had a key to the back door; I don’t currently have a key to my back door and when I painted my front porch floor I had to go in and out the back door for a couple days, meaning I had to leave that door unlocked so I could get back in.
Haleigh needs this blog so our voices can be heard begging daily for everyone and anyone to continue looking, and to not give up till she is found. Where else has anyone found that all can come together and/or read with the common goal to understand the facts that are known and the people that surrounded HaLeigh? One f themor many had a motive, ability and opportunity to commit this crime against this 5 year old child?
This case needs to be solved and these MONSTERS need to be the example of what will not be tolerated by our justice system and receive justifiably harsh punishment for committing a crime against a child!!!!!!!!!
The system needs the cracks filled and our voice coud be the glue that will keep the MONSTERS locked up. MY hope i that one day our children will be safe in there beds as they sleep, walking home form school or playing in the neigborhood park.
RonFan, sorry if I wasn’t clear but what I was trying to say was if someone came in and took Haleigh, they didn’t have to come in the back door, necessarily. And once inside, they would not have needed a key to unlock the back door to go out.
cathartic,
I am not convinced they gained access through the front door. If they knowingly needed or planned the blocking of the back screen door that actualy indicates to me they went in that way or through a window or from under the trailer, a place they could not as easily removed HaLeigh from. Why would they plan an exit from the back door if they came in from the front door?
I’m just sayin’….
I think the back door was used to remove drugs and/or contraband from the home to make it “presentable” for LE.
The back door may have been left unlocked by Misty when/if she went out. Or the front door may have been left unlocked. Both could have been unlocked, actually.
I am only saying that access to the MH did not have to be through the back door. It seems that just because it was propped open, many believe that’s how someone got in. Maybe, but maybe not.
The deadbolt on that door was not the kind that needed a key to lock or unlock from inside. So, not having a key to that door would not deny a person the ability to unlock the door from the inside. Ron checking the back door to be sure it was locked when he left really means nothing, and no one having a key but Ron and the landlord also means nothing. The door could be unlocked without a key…from inside.
I Agree, but, it just seems strange to go in one door and plan to go out another.
Texasmommy,
It does seem strange, but perhaps they went out the back because they were leaving with Haleigh, and didn’t want to be seen, and they thought it would be more risky exiting with a child through the front? What confuses me though if they entered the front, was why use the brick? I think it’s more likely the back door lock was bumped.
thank you me
The back door was bricked so drugs/contraband could be taken out to a vehicle parked there or near there, out of direct view. Many trips in and out were needed to do that, and it would be better to have an open door than one that would have to be opened and closed time and again.
Even if it was stranger abduction and Misty was either not there or slept through it, I would be willing to bet that the scene LE found was not the scene they should have found. The MH had to be “prepared” before 911 could be called. In the process evidence was likely contaminated or obliterated, even if not on purpose. If you move or touch anything, it is very easy to contaminate or obliterate. Also, I believe a blanket was washed that night, but not early in the evening. I think it was washed later, between the time Haleigh went missing and the time Misty called 911.
The only way I will believe the crime scene was not tampered with is if it comes out that LE found drugs/guns/other contraband in the MH when they came through.
All JMO.
ronfan said,in March 14th, 2010 at 5:25 pm Cathartic: Ron made a statement on the news right after the disappearance that he and the landlord are the ONLY who have a key to that backdoor. He also added that it had only been opened two times since they had been living there; and,he was adament that before he went to work he ALWAYS CHECKED THE DOOR{S}.
Knowing Ron, just what we see from him, he seems like the type that wouldnāt āallowā anyone else to have a key, lol!!
Itās on youtube, just go on Ronald Cummings and itās there. I am dying to know about the info on Misty having a key. Please remember!!!My head is spinning!! Poor Ron, I bet the whole neighborhood had keys!!! Thereās probably a basket of them buried somewhere in Palatka..LOL (but hank kept his!!)
I had a question: Isnāt there supposed to be a certain type of key that is encoded so it canāt be copied. One place I rented in the past was like that
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First, I have 6 doors and only use 2, I never check the doors that aren’t unlocked makes him look paranoid IMO and second, Ron also said he didn’t do drugs.Just Saying?
I wish Misty would talk, she has more to say and I just wish she would tell what she knows.
just one said,
The lock on the back door Ron said he had put it on himself, so no one would have a key to it, not that I believe it, and yea, like you said, he said he didnt do drugs….we all know thats a lie,.
jojo said,in March 14th, 2010 at 9:10 pm just one said,
The lock on the back door Ron said he had put it on himself, so no one would have a key to it, not that I believe it, and yea, like you said, he said he didnt do drugsā¦.we all know thats a lie,.
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I agree, I don’t believe anything he says………..but why would you check a door over and over that you proclaim you never use? Makes no sense to me, like I said I don’t check the ones I know are not used. Just another “hinky” statement from him added to a list a mile long.
cathartic, whether the crime scene was changed prior to LE arriving they came in and ruined it before forensics could be gathered by jerking the bedding off the very bed Haleigh was taken from. Literally from minute one this case was compromised. It is sad how botched things have been handled. LE released the house and family and media had been all through the home before they removed the back door to take in for forensics. Just mind boggling.
That statement always did sound stupid to me, just like alot of his statements, I thought it was silly when he said he checked the door before he went to work, like you said , why check it if no one uses it,……just more and more nonsense falling out of mhis mouth.
Treece,
I agree the home was released back to the family way too soon. I also do not understand them not taking the door right away, or taking the bedding out of the home.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the investigation did not go the way it should have from the beginning. THAT is THE MAIN REASON that I began looking online for information sites (like this one) where Haleigh was being discussed. I feared that LE was not actively or properly investigating, that this baby girl was just not going to be found and it seemed no one cared.
With all that going the way it did, to not see Ronald and Misty in LE’s face DAILY, demanding something be done, just made me cry. I would have been screaming for justice if my child was missing and LE was not doing what they should be doing to find her.
I don’t know that area but it appears as though crime happens under everyone’s nose as a matter of course, and no one in LE lifts a finger to do a thing about it. I find that highly questionable on its own, but a missing child is something that LE should have cared about enough to do everything as correctly as humanly possible right from the beginning, because now they cannot go back and do it over.
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Itās not just Ron and Misty that should have been hounding LE. All Haleighās family, and everyone in the community should have been in LEās face. It just seems that no one has demanded anything of them, and that is something I just canāt wrap my mind around.
Of course Ron and Misty wasnt gonna be in LE’s face, they already know what happened,
Texasmommy39 said,in March 14th, 2010 at 3:15 pm The truth is the truthā¦ā¦ā¦.and that fell out of Mistyās mouth!
I have been cathing up this morning and listening to the tapes that all of you have been chatting about. Misty is in the safest place she could be right now in my opinionā¦.. I would be on my way back to Florida to commit a felony against this minor!!!!!!!!
Putting all that aside, I did notice that Misty did in fact write a letter and I would bet it was to Hank Sr.
It probably was in code, because Hank Sr. states āI think I understand who you are trying to say and I donāt believe thatāand Misty then says ā Well, I am telling you.ā
I am thinking that it is not Tommy or cousin Joe that Misty is accusing but someone that Hank does know as well as Chelsae.
The only two people that come to mind that Misty will be sad to hurt is TN and GGMS. There is no one else that this family would care about and if Ron is Chelses first thought, I am assuming that it is the Cummings they would care about. Chelse made it clear that she did not like Ron.
Misty is the key all right to what is behind door #1
The person or personās that had a motive and ability to take HaLeigh, but, Misty gave them the opportunity, but, how and why?
The other thing I am keeping in mind is LEās statements that it is someone that knew this family.
Few come to mind that would have a motive and ability and then have had the opportunity to gain something from Misty, knowingly or unknowingly given or done.
The no forced entry issue is our first clue.
We can theorize that this one piece of the puzzle is where the key is necessary.
Did Misty give somene a key or access to a key or did she leave the door unlocked.
When did all this oppertunity take place? That night or the weekend before?
Nay Nay comes to mind at this point and that leads me straight to Amber Brooks.
This is where I have a problemā¦. what would Amber and Nay Nay get out of this? Would Misty willingly give these two the oppertunity?
It falls apart for me, until you look at the chain of events that took place after the abduction.
My hinky meter has been sounding alarms from the begining on the Bio moms side and have second guessed my instincts and judgment of their character many, many times and I still come back to them for the logical conclusion to this mystery.
The Search conducted by the Sheffields and Marie on March 22nd 2009.
Amber Brooks and Nay Nay are both arreasted together on April 20th 2009.
Nay Nay and Amber Brooks are both bonded out by Cobra and both girls bonds where revoked within days.
Nay Nay was willing to chit chat, but, Amber was silent.
We can connect the dots and come to the Sheffields and the wealth of dirt and information that was revealed and manufactured from day one.
The money that was collected in this childās name began the day she went missing.
The legal actions against Crystal for non pamnt of support where stopped the very day HaLeigh was abducted and then paid in full within a month or so.
Crystals obvious choices to continue her drug use clearly demonstrates the selfishnes that it would take to commit such a crime against ones own child.
Crystals history is of lieing and playing the victim and she selfishly pulled these tricks as well, since the very day HaLeigh was abducted.
So I ask who had the motive, ability and the given oppertunity that Misty is now willing to reveale?
Who would Misty think would know who has HaLeigh alive and well to be found and returned?
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One of the mysteries I’d like answered, besides WHERE’S HALEIGH……is how did Cobra know the keys that were found at the ‘fake’ search, would fit NayNay’s abandoned car?
Amber abandoned that car. Kim P. watched Lisa Brooks (Amber’s mother), pack her bags and leave Satsuma at the end of March, early April, knowing there was an outstanding warrant for her arrest….it’s still outstanding.
The whole thing stinks IMO…The afterthought of searching the Sheffields property, the searching of the pond, so much money involved in those searches, yet they yeilded nothing, absolutely nothing. Yet, as far as I know, PCSO have still to investigate Johnny Sheffied, Connie Sheffield, Sarah Sheffield…….and where was Chad Griffis really that fateful Monday night Haleigh vanished?
me said,in March 14th, 2010 at 3:16 am And, what about the coincidence that Donald Sapp, the second closest RSO to where Haleigh lived (who is now back in jail for molesting another child), had just moved from Macclenny to Satsuma a few weeks before Haleigh went missing???? What a weird coincidence that he moved from where Crystal & Marie lived (which is a tiny town) to where Ron lived (another tiny town)???
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Not only is that strange me, but although Sapp had moved close to Haleigh, he hadn’t actually registered his new address at the time of her disappearance, so how did PCSO investigate him, if they had no record of him being there?
jojo said,in March 14th, 2010 at 10:30 pm Of course Ron and Misty wasnt gonna be in LEās face, they already know what happened,
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If you think that for Ron and Misty, what are your thoughts for Crystal?
Didn’t Kim P. in her bar complaint rebuttal state she asked Crystal, NUMEROUS times to contact PCSO for an update, to no avail. I wonder why she or Marie didn’t? Perhaps, they already knew what happened?
just one…
Just speculating re Ron checking the door lock….maybe he was worried that Haleigh or someone else might have unlocked it, so checked it regularly?
I know when I was a little kid, probably about 3, I somehow climbed onto the kitchen counter, got into the top cupboard in the kitchen, found the baby aspirin bottle, ate some myself and gave the rest to my 2 year old sister and 1 year old brother! And I had wonderful responsible parents….my mom freaked when she realized I’d done it…pretty tense few hours followed! Kids can get into and do things and sometimes as parents you just have to keep checking those sorts of things.
Just one,
I should also add….would’t it be more hinky if he said he left it unlocked? How would lying about being sure it was locked help him cover anything up when there is no sign of forced entry??
cathartic said,in March 14th, 2010 at 10:21 pm Itās not just Ron and Misty that should have been hounding LE. All Haleighās family, and everyone in the community should have been in LEās face. It just seems that no one has demanded anything of them, and that is something I just canāt wrap my mind around.
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That’s one of the major problems I have with the Sheffield/Griffis carrying on about how abusive Ron was (pretty much from day one…did you see Chad’s first iv?) and this “Misty is the key” rubbish they ran with. From there on everyone blamed Misty and seemed to think it was useless to do anything but pressure Misty to tell the truth.
I think PCSO is in way over their head…they probably have few, if any, trained homicide detectives there. I remain stunned that the public has let them get away with blaming a 17 year old for not being able to solve the case. That would be like blaming Scott Peterson for not talking for not being able to charge him. It is their job to investigate, not blame teenagers for their failure to solve crimes.
Can a deadbolt be bumped? A regular lock can but deadbolts would be a lot harder to bump, imo.
I don’t know why I am even asking because to me it doesn’t matter that the door was locked or whether he checked it or not. Haleigh was in a horrible environment where disaster was just waiting to happen. And then it finally did, and no one seemed to care. CYA became epidemic.
It’s just sickening.
Noreen said,in March 14th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Not only is that strange me, but although Sapp had moved close to Haleigh, he hadnāt actually registered his new address at the time of her disappearance, so how did PCSO investigate him, if they had no record of him being there?
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Yep, and he didn’t just move from Macclenny to Satsuma, but he moved in with a Griffis in Satsuma. Hmmmmm.
me,
PCSO was in over their heard, of that I have no doubt. This case has so many aspects that make me nauseous on a regular basis.
All the adults in Haleigh’s life failed her, and beyond that, LE failed her.
What I think has happened is they finally had to start doing something serious about finding out what happened. They bungled things and then tried to fix it, tried to get the investigation on the right track.
Unfortunately, there is little margin for error in the early hours of an investigation. Mistakes made then will always come back to haunt.
over their head
LOL, sorry, my typing leaves much to be desired…
Noreen said,in March 14th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
If you think that for Ron and Misty, what are your thoughts for Crystal?
Didnāt Kim P. in her bar complaint rebuttal state she asked Crystal, NUMEROUS times to contact PCSO for an update, to no avail. I wonder why she or Marie didnāt?
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Maybe because they were more interested in fundraising than they were in finding Haleigh? If Haleigh was found, that would be the end of the donations, tshirt and bracelet sales etc. I’m surprised how few people don’t think it’s suspicious that HaleighBug was formed within about 4 weeks of Haleigh going missing. Even the As waited more than 6 months. I just know that there is no way, only days after my child went missing, that I could be even thinking about becoming a president (Marie) & Vice President (Crystal) of a foundation…their priority should have been finding Haleigh at that point…they could have worried about a foundation later on.
Marie’s myspace page boasts of her being “President of the Company Haleighbug”…that makes me feel sick and it was that sort of stuff that made me stop following Caylee’s case. I just found the family trying to profit from it far too offensive, but this family beat them to it by many months.
cathartic….
As someone who has locked myself out of many different homes over the years, I can tell you from personal experience, that locksmiths come along using their master key and open your door as quick as you could with your regular key! It’s a bit scary. And their master keys hit the black market from time to time. I don’t think it matters if it’s a deadbolt…those keys can open all the locks as far as I’m aware.
cathartic,
I hope you’re not up late because kitty is not well??
Should add, if you google lock bumping, there are even a stack of youtube videos that come up showing you how to do it and how the master keys work. LOL.
cathartic,
Yep, they were and over in way over their head. What continues to concern me is how they were able to eliminate dozens of local RSOs, many of which were not being monitored with bracelets etc, within practically hours of her disappearing. That, imo, was ridiculous. The RSO that lived in the same trailer park, who is apparently related to Marie, wasn’t being monitored in any way. Are they saying all these people had rock solid alibis for the time 10pm-3am?…makes no sense to me.
I should add that Sapp also wasn’t wearing a monitoring device. I get the feeling they probably didn’t even find out who Crystal’s partner was for days after, when really, given she was a non-custodial parent, she and her partner and family should have been investigated right from the beginning. Then their fixation with the time line….aarrghhh. I guess if you are ever a victim of a crime like this you want it to happen in a big city with properly trained law enforcement. Aren’t there homicide detectives in Jacksonville or Orlando or something that could have come and guided PCSO?
What is lock bumping?
Lock bumping is a new lock picking technique for opening a lock using a specially-crafted bump key (or 999 key).
“Bumping” a lock is disturbingly simple to do, as you can see in this video of an even for an 11-year old kid bumping a lock. Lock bumping works on more than 90% of locks presently installed in homes and offices, including deadbolts, padlocks, and post-office boxes.
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From a site called antibumplocks.com. They have news video about it, and even an 11 year old demonstrating how easy it is!
Me,
Go listen to this guy named Charles jones jr.
He let Misty move in with his family after her and Ron’s divorce.
Ky mom,
I have listened to him. All I can say to that is, what a shame she didn’t have a proper home to go to, with a caring and responsible adult in it. She has been used and exploited by so many, and he’s just another one on that long list hoping to get his 15 minutes out of this.
Everyone trying to make money off of a missing child…..
I hope she is found soon. I do think Misty knows something. I think she is scared.
I think she may have lied about some things, like perhaps she went out for a bit, or later lied about the kids being in a different bed because people were criticising her for sleeping the same bed. And I think she may have spent some time looking for Haleigh before Ron got home, but I’m not convinced she knows much more about what happened to Haleigh than what she’s told. She told LE from the start that she suspected Joe & Tommy, and I think if it’s anyone from that side of the family, they are the most likely.
Yep, so many cashing in. Most don’t care about the truth, just wanna see their own mugs on tv. Sad.
levi’s show is so slanted towards misty and ron’s guilt yet there is no proof they did anything. Misty talked to the police during several hours of interviews yet shes accused of “not talking”..she knows nothing! it would have all come out already. Law Enforcement screwed up and is setting Misty up to take the rap for their inept incompetence.
Me, you said, “Yep, so many cashing in. Most donāt care about the truth, just wanna see their own mugs on tv. Sad.”
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To that I would add, “hear themselves on radio” (and tweet! LOL!)
See OJ’s comment at 6:50 am.
If there is ONE thing that Haleigh does NOT NEED any more of it is gossip and MIS-information, and SLANTED and INACCURATE “reporting.”
If someone is going to gossip and BS at least ADMIT IT!
As far as I’m concerned he might as well be jumping up and down on her grave yelling “Look at me! I’m a star! (oh, btw, thanks Haleigh)” Yes, it disgusts me THAT much.
me said,in March 15th, 2010 at 12:29 am just oneā¦
Just speculating re Ron checking the door lockā¦.maybe he was worried that Haleigh or someone else might have unlocked it, so checked it regularly?
I know when I was a little kid, probably about 3, I somehow climbed onto the kitchen counter, got into the top cupboard in the kitchen, found the baby aspirin bottle, ate some myself and gave the rest to my 2 year old sister and 1 year old brother! And I had wonderful responsible parentsā¦.my mom freaked when she realized Iād done itā¦pretty tense few hours followed! Kids can get into and do things and sometimes as parents you just have to keep checking those sorts of things.
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Because he stating over and over and over that there was no wat HaLeigh could open it as the bolt was 1) too high and 2) too hard to open because of the way he installed it and Marlena Shiave said the same thing. So again according to his first stmts, I see no reason to check a door every night that was never unlocked or used and that Haleigh COULDN’T open.
Just One:
You said: “I see no reason to check a door every night that was never unlocked or used and that Haleigh COULDNāT open.”
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I don’t understand the issue about R saying that he checked that door before leaving every time. For one thing, there were other people in that house from time to time including but not limited to Misty who could open it if they wanted to. It seems like a reasonable precaution to take rather than assuming it stayed locked. Also, this statement reinforces LE’s conclusion that there was no forced entry.
I do not see how lying about that benefits him (if he’s guilty) or M (if she’s guilty).
m2c,
I think the issue about Ron checking the lock came about because it was being assumed Misty could not have unlocked the door since she did not have a key. And also because Ron said the lock had probably been bumped, meaning a stranger could have entered without leaving sign of forced entry.
Hi, cathartic! Last time I said M may not have had keys to the house someone said she did. So I had not heard for sure if she did or didn’t have one for that door. But still, why would R have to say the door was locked and had to have been bumped when he could have left the subject alone and STILL have the possibility that a stranger walked in (if it was unlocked).
Claiming that it was locked only bolsters LE’s postion that it was not a forced entry – presuming LE knows more about what a “bumped lock” would look like than R. I guess I just don’t see how lying about checking it serves R’s purpose if his purpose is to cover up something.
Also, who was assuming she did not have a key?LE or us? š
m2c, I think it is being assumed Ronald went on and on about the door lock for some “weird” reason when it might just be he had been asked numerous times about whether he was sure the door was locked…asked by LE and then by various media. I do not think his talking about the lock and how often he checked it is of any importance. Meaning, I don’t think it is a “cover” of any kind on his part.
Misty apparently did not have a key to either MH door for awhile. She did have one to the front door, but lost/misplaced it. So for a brief while she was without a key. She never had a key to the back door as far as anyone knows. Her front door key that had been lost was found by Annette Sykes. I do not know when or where it was found, and also cannot prove it is true that Sykes found a key Misty had misplaced/lost. I read that somewhere and cannot remember where because it was quite a while ago.
Hi, Cathartic! I agree with your 12:47 but I don’t think Just One would (see post at 9:35am today). I was responding to that. Seems to be a big deal to JO but I can’t figure out why.
Also I remember that too (your 12:52 pm post).
It’s interesting that more hasn’t been made of that – that M’s key was “missing” for a while.
Easy way for someone to make copy and get in while she’s not there (or maybe when she is) but I have not heard LE or anyone else speculate about that.
I too think it might be important because so much has been made about no forced entry. I still believe this could have been stranger abduction, or at least started out that way but then morphed into something that put everyone into CYA mode.
Too many people acting inappropriately to the situation. I mean, one or two is not unusual, but so many people doing things that don’t look right, or not doing things most everyone would do if their child was missing. IDK what to think anymore. I have had my suspicions about the investigation itself but the only way I can stay sane at this point is to have hope that LE knows what they are doing.
me said,in March 15th, 2010 at 12:34 am Just one,
I should also addā¦.wouldāt it be more hinky if he said he left it unlocked? How would lying about being sure it was locked help him cover anything up when there is no sign of forced entry??
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It wasn’t the fact that he was locked, it was the fact that he was adamant about CHECKING a door he never used and was locked all the time……plus, I remember he said at first that there were signs of forced entry, and then when LE stated there wasn’t he backed off that statement
cathartic said,in March 15th, 2010 at 1:42 pm I too think it might be important because so much has been made about no forced entry. I still believe this could have been stranger abduction, or at least started out that way but then morphed into something that put everyone into CYA mode.
Too many people acting inappropriately to the situation. I mean, one or two is not unusual, but so many people doing things that donāt look right, or not doing things most everyone would do if their child was missing. IDK what to think anymore. I have had my suspicions about the investigation itself but the only way I can stay sane at this point is to have hope that LE knows what they are doing.
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The back door that he mentioned was never used yet he checked every night was like Misty and her story about the blankets, too much unnecessary rambling and lying on top of that. The door never had signs of forced entry like he originally stated, just too much rambling about something small, again just like the blanket stories with Misty.
I do not think that lock could have been bumped. It was very difficult to turn. It would have taken many tries to bump; that would have been noisy and would likely have left some visible sign of manipulation. The reporter who took the first tour through the MH showed the lock and it did not require a key to open from inside; it had the thumb-turn mechanism. Also she opened the lock and commented on how difficult it was to turn.
I place Ron’s “I wuz at werk” in the same category as Misty’s blanket washing statement; both were repeated ad nauseum and in lieu of a real response to a question. Anytime anyone asked a question Ron did not want to answer he dodged with either, “I wuz at werk” or, “My personal life is not important and just takes the focus off Haleigh.”
Scott P. did the same thing: “I was fishing” or “My personal life is irrelevant and just takes the focus off Laci.”
All JMO, so I will neither defend it nor argue about it š
cathartic said,in March 15th, 2010 at 3:55 pm I do not think that lock could have been bumped. It was very difficult to turn. It would have taken many tries to bump; that would have been noisy and would likely have left some visible sign of manipulation. The reporter who took the first tour through the MH showed the lock and it did not require a key to open from inside; it had the thumb-turn mechanism. Also she opened the lock and commented on how difficult it was to turn.
I place Ronās āI wuz at werkā in the same category as Mistyās blanket washing statement; both were repeated ad nauseum and in lieu of a real response to a question. Anytime anyone asked a question Ron did not want to answer he dodged with either, āI wuz at werkā or, āMy personal life is not important and just takes the focus off Haleigh.ā
Scott P. did the same thing: āI was fishingā or āMy personal life is irrelevant and just takes the focus off Laci.ā
All JMO, so I will neither defend it nor argue about it
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I totally agree, and great correlation about Scott Peterson and his routine “I wuz fishing” vs Ron’s “I wuz at werk”, and Misty’s ” I wuz sleeping”, and then squeeze in TN and Ron saying that Ron’s personaly life was irrelevant. That’s a CROCK as GGS would say, and the rest was ad nausuem. Agree with entire stmt!
just one,
I think your missing the point some of us are making. And that is, there is no reason for Ron to lie about re-checking the lock. If he was lying, he’d simply say, “I may have left the back door lock open….we rarely used it so I never bothered checking it”.
IMO, if the door had been left unlocked it would have been deemed easier for a stranger to enter. That Ronald insisted over and over that it was locked when he left that evening is not a problem for me, because the door being locked makes it look more like an “inside” job. Meaning, if he is lying about the door being locked it would point guilt more toward him or Misty than away. So, no reason for Ron to lie about the door being locked.
As for checking and rechecking window/door locks, I used to do that when my daughter was young. I don’t see a problem with any parent or caretaker doing that. I never actually talked about it endlessly, but then I was never asked about it repeatedly.
I am not sure a perp entered via the back door anyway. I think back door was used for exit, but front door for entry. Front door was partially obscured by a small porch added on to the MH. Front door may have had a lock that could have been bumped or picked much easier that the difficult-to-turn deadbolt on the back door. And, if it’s true Misty had “misplaced” her key…
me said,in March 15th, 2010 at 5:58 pm just one,
I think your missing the point some of us are making. And that is, there is no reason for Ron to lie about re-checking the lock. If he was lying, heād simply say, āI may have left the back door lock openā¦.we rarely used it so I never bothered checking itā.
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Because when people lie, they give extranneous useless bits of info that are unnecessary, his, Misty and TN’s acct of everything is a classic example. If he had simply said what you quoted above, he would have been more believable.
Regarding the lock, I simply can’t understand why you’d check a door you claim you never use. Guess I just live in a very safe enviroment because we don’t worry about such things obsessively, but my cousin the lying drug addict does:)
I agree, there was alot of statements made that just sounded out of place, Ronald said about 10 times that he was at work, once was good, but he just kept on repeating it over and over and then some more as the days went by. Just like Misty kept saying, I was asleep, just didnt have the ring of truth to it anymore after hearing it so many times.
Just One @ 7:40 pm – If you have a “lying drug addict” for a “cousin,” who is NOT in jail and who knows where you live, then I don’t think you “live in a very safe enviroment” at all and I think you have good reason to “worry about such things obsessively.”
I’m not being a smart-A; I’m serious. You really should take every precaution to protect your home, your belongings, yourself and your family.
m2cā„ said,in March 16th, 2010 at 5:57 am Just One @ 7:40 pm – If you have a ālying drug addictā for a ācousin,ā who is NOT in jail and who knows where you live, then I donāt think you ālive in a very safe enviromentā at all and I think you have good reason to āworry about such things obsessively.ā
Iām not being a smart-A; Iām serious. You really should take every precaution to protect your home, your belongings, yourself and your family.
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Well, he IS in jail, when he wasn’t though he was extremely paranoid because he owed even the two bit drug dealers small cash. He hid his car at night, slept in the living room on the floor and slept with a rifle by him.
He lives thousands of miles away and I live in a gated community with out own security patrol, in fact the only thing that has ever happened in the 16 yrs I lived here was a stolen bike. Thanks for the concern though, I genuinely appreciate it.
Well, then, Just One, I’m sure that from a paranoid junkie/drug dealer point of view (like your cousin’s perhaps) you can understand that R might regularly check whether the doors are locked and from a relatively cautious/security conscious point of view (like yours, perhaps) you can understand that R might regularly check the locks (as that would be the only protection for his home.)
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