Bye, TJ.

Message to TJ Hart: Take care of yourself first and best, your family and friends need you.

Thank you Simon for planning to discuss the cases as well as the drug issues. The drug problems are wide spread so it is not something that is happening only in Florida.

TJ will be greatly missed, I’m so sorry for any health issues he’s having at this time.

I am sorry to hear of TJ’s health issues; may he get well soon. This is truly a loss for Haleigh as TJ did his best to keep her case alive in the media. It is also a loss for all of us who have appreciated his input all these months.

We’ll miss you TJ!

Lindsy is amused,yep,found the cache of her myspace site and her mood is amused…

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:ArYJJgBRTHIJ:www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin+http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Haters r just people who have too much time! I Love my family and nothin can change that..(i’d rather be a clown then be a fat ass):)Mood: amused
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Glad she’s so frickin amused,we’re not,how amused can you be when your family is jailbirds and thieves.See how amused she is when her husband and sister in law go to trial.I hope she’s been polygraphed.

And what kind of lowlifes would use neighbors soap,towels,game system and games and other things when you know your husband stole them?What kind of people are they,what has been passed down to these kids?Lisa and Tim said Lindsy’s family brought the kids game systems in the box and tons of games.I hope LE has checked to make sure none of these things are items that was not turned over to LE since it was game systems and games that had been stolen and found in the home at Tyler.

JB,

I agree with you 100%.
As per the rest of what you said all I have to say is chin up folks. Another Child of our Creator who did not deserve whatever it is that has happened to her is depending on all of our strengths right now. Just because TJ has been taken off of this case due to health reasons does not mean that he no longer cares.
I believe that he cares so much that it has affected his health.
Sometimes I have to back away too.
Chin up.
JMO

Chelsea’s older brother,Daniel Bachus is absconded from Florida,wonder if they’ve checked Mass or Va for him yet. http://www.dc.state.fl.us/Absconder/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=327121976

So this is where you all are! I’m so slow to catch up. I posted something on the “old board” that I want you all to read. Can I post it again here or would that be too annoying? I’m holding my breath to read what you all think about the idea that Nay Nay and/or Amber and/or Sarah Sheffield are the people that Misty hurt when she talked.

Kate – I read that….I think ANYTHING is possible. So you think Nay Nay would steal Haleigh to make Misty look bad and to get back at her for the comment Misty made about taking her child away? And then what do you think they did with Haleigh? Do you think they could/would murder her? I don’t know….that is going to extremes…an overdose I can see…hurting a child in anger I can see…but taking and killing Haleigh to hurt Misty…I don’t know….It IS possible….again, I’m not ruling anything out with this bunch and I always like to hear new theories…gives me more to ponder! But if Misty KNEW these people did it, why wouldn’t she have spoken up sooner and why would Hank be upset about it and not believe it? I don’t know…something doesn’t fit…but then again a LOT of things aren’t fitting together….so we’ll definitely keep it as an option!

It also doesn’t explain Ron’s strange behavior…I just keep going back to Ron knows what happened and is somehow involved or to blame or he wouldn’t be acting so bizarre!

God speed, TJ, you will be missed. You were the one true journalist we could count on that didn’t repeat lies/rumors and report them as fact.

If someone finds out what is going on with TJ and gets approval to post it, please do so. I hope he’s going to be okay!

Cathartic, Chelsea might care about Nay Nay?

OK Kate, TY.

Tuff….I tried not to be offensive….I know there are a lot of different beliefs and I respect them all….it was sort of like a brief prayer vigil for TJ….I hope you were not offended in any way.

Where is m2c? She will be very sad to hear about TJ! Does someone have her email address? If so, please email her to let her know!

Oh Jb no way. I respect others as well. I do not for one second want you to believe that I would ignore your post. It was very heartfelt.

tobias….I just don’t see Ron cracking…especially if he was going to face MORE time for what he would say about Haleigh. LE may think they have leverage with these drug charges but if the people in jail are responsible for Haleigh disappearance and know they will face LONGER sentences with a murder wrap…they’ll keep their traps shut and do the time for the drugs instead. They would have to offer one of them complete immunity on the drugs AND for any potential charges on the Haleigh case to get them to talk IMO. OR, if the Mexican connection is the truth…then they won’t talk because they fear for their lives and nothing they say or do will bring Haleigh back AND they could face charges due to the drug deal that caused Haleigh to be taken.

JB, the thing is they could all do their time for the drugs but there is no statute of limitations on Haleighs case if she met with a bad end. jmo

Tuff…phewww…I’m glad I didn’t offend you. Religion of any kind can push ALL the wrong buttons for some and I went out on a limb by posting my little prayer. I guess I felt it was worth the risk…but I REALLY don’t want to offend ANYONE…especially about religion because that IS a very personal thing.

Is it possible that someone paid Tommy & Joe to take Haleigh in revenge for something Ron did? That thought popped into my head when Kate was stating her theory about Nay Nay & Amber.

Tobias…but perhaps they believe if they keep their traps shut….the truth will never be told…statute of limitations or no….afterall…it has been a year and no charges have been brought…so they may think they can continue to remain quiet..do the time for the drugs and hope this case goes completely cold and forgotten by the time they get out.

Kate – I don’t see Ron cooperating with the Sheffields if he thought they took Haleigh….that one I can’t swallow…sorry…obviously I could be wrong…but I just don’t see it….

Misty’s gun in the mouth statement came out of the blue and I think it is something that did happen to her. Maybe it happened that night, maybe it happened some other time, but whenever it happened it was during an incident that is important to this case, imo.

Cathartic, I missed the gun in the mouth statement. Can you please fill me in?

JB, you bring up why wouldn’t Misty speak and why would Hank Sr. be upset. I would think that Misty would want to protect Nay Nay. And she knows that whatever Nay Nay did at the time, she sure didn’t kidnap HaLeigh.

As for Hank Sr., he probably thinks Misty is lying again and will just get herself into more trouble. And Misty can’t explain anything to him over the taped phone calls.

tobia,
Wow, great thinking! That could be the answer we were looking for as to why they are all staying quiet.

Treece – I certainly believe TJ has poured his heart and soul into this case and I am grateful for all he has done in this search for Haleigh. Gods Speed in his healing and rejuvination.

Vaquera…I think what Tobias was talking about was her conversation with Lisa where she talks about pictures of her and Ron, kissing, talking about how they were getting back together until the police *#&$^&@ up the plan, how she loves her tattoo, how Ron is “THE ONE”…..I don’t think Tobias was talking about when Misty made the comment about what she has to say will hurt two people you care about….JMO…Tobias correct me if I’m wrong.

Hi, JB! Thank you. I am so very sorry to hear about TJ’s health issues. I too pray that he takes time for himself and his loved ones and recovers quickly. Even if he never returns to this case, for any reason, very few deserve more blessings than TJ for what he has done for Haleigh – and for us. THANK YOU, TJ!
God Bless!

Kate – Misty made the gun in the mouth statement during her time with Tim Miller – they did the LDT, the voice analysis test, etc….that is when she made the statement ON VIDEO….it was a strange statement made in a strange place in the dialogue…very peculiar! But sadly I’m not sure where to find it…I’m sure it is out there somewhere!

Kate – Misty made that statement about the gun in the mouth during the Tim Miller tests…and she did it on video. Not sure where to find the video but I saw it a long time ago. It was a strange thing to say especially when she said it…didn’t go with the previous or following statements so it really grabbed your attention.

Is Jerome Willims the road rage guy?

Kate…but if it was a Nay Nay abduction that Misty is covering for, explain all of Ron’s bizarre behavior! Why would he stay with Misty, marry her…not KILL her? Why would he protect Misty, cover for her? Why would he not be kicking down doors? Why wouldn’t he be out searching? His actions just don’t mesh with the Nay Nay abduction theory in my book. The only way I can explain Ron’s behavior is if he KNOWS what happened and is somehow involved….otherwise I think there would have been a few murders in Satsuma shortly after Haleigh went missing.

Jerome Williams is not the road rage guy. He is a drug dealer in Putnam County and if I remember correctly the PCSO had an agreement with him that they would go easier on him if he were to “work” on finding out what happened to HaLeigh. It really didn’t go anywhere, though. Or it might have been Cobra who got Jerome Williams to “work” on it for a while. I’ll see if I can find anything to explain it. Anhhow, Nay Nay and Amber were staying with him for a while.

Is it possible that Ron or Misty owed Jerome Willims money. The Barbra tapes stated Misty was sleeping with customers…more than one at a time. This is the third time I have heard that about her. Was Misty working for Jerome?

I mean the first of the “strange audio files.”

Rome…I’m beginning to believe there are not too many people Misty HASN’T slept with in her young life. Was Jerome just a dealer or did he pimp too…I thought he pimped out Nay Nay and Amber…maybe even Misty….did I dream that?

JB, I don’t think Nay Nay abducted HaLeigh in the larger scheme. If the Sheffield/Griffis have her hidden somewhere, they (Chad, Crystal, dunno’ who) might have asked Nay Nay and Amber/Sarah S. to get HaLeigh that night. They might have given an innocent explanation and Nay Nay didn’t know anything else. She just handed her over to Chad who was going to take her to Crystal but instead took her who knows where.

I do love reading here.Each have their own theory.But your willing to go over every thing,everyone.Most just think Ron,an Misty Harmed Haliegh.I dont believe they did by their own hands. As in beating her.So i do come every day to read,even if i dont comment,often. This is such a very sad case all the way around.From Haliegh Missing to how some have been raise,no schooling.To all the drugs in Putnum county, I do look at both an both families,as well as SO. I just pray the truth comes out,about this precious child.An she is found.

JB, I think Ron knows something, too. Twice he has undermined efforts to get Misty to talk. First by outing DB, then by saying on the tapes that the detectives were coaching him about saying that he really loved Misty and all that.

If it was the Griffis/Sheffield who did it, I think Ronald found that out somewhere along the line and knows his life, especially his life with HaLeigh, will be much, much better if he cooperates and keeps quiet.

Okay, let’s think on this Mexican drug thug thing…Both Misty and Ron are in on this big deal…but they skim and use the profits…don’t pay the dealer…..the dealer takes Haleigh…they both know they are in deep doo doo together…Ron strings Misty along to keep her quiet…gives her hope of reconciliation so she’ll hang on his every word….and if she talks…she gets herself in deep…he could be telling her if she talks the Mexicans will kill her…or perhaps the Mexicans told her that themselves…thus the gun in the mouth comment….and maybe Tommy and Cuz Joe were out on a little B&E spree that night, used the van, scratched it up and that is why they are acting so guilty…nothing to do with Haleigh…they just know they were doing something criminal…and maybe that is why LE was at Tommy’s that night…doing follow-up on some break-ins……..But Misty knows she can’t tell the truth because the Mexicans would kill her and her precious Ron and they’d both be in trouble. She is inlove with Ron so she’s ready to point the finger at Tommy to get LE off her back, get her out of jail and get back in Ron’s bed. And maybe Nay Nay and Jerome know this Mexican drug thug as that is their supplier too and THEY have been threatened and that is why Jerome couldn’t come up with any leads and why Nay Nay made up the story about an overdose…to keep LE from looking at the Mexicans because she had been threatened as well. Is everyone’s head spinning yet? LOL MINE IS!

Oh, and maybe that was why Cuz Joe beat it out of town…too much heat.

JB, that scenario does not leave any questions unanswered as far as what might have happened and why. I think it is entirely possible this is how it went down.

I also think LE might know what happened but needs someone to confess or say something that can be verified. When that “something” is said, it will be verifiable by evidence LE already has.

In regard to your theory, do you think it is possible Ron and Misty were put behind bars for their own protection? Meaning, LE knew they would never talk on the outside due to having been threatened?

This would help me to understand why the “two people will be hurt” statement was not redacted…because it has no bearing on what LE knows to be the truth.

Just tossing this out there… If it were in fact true about the Mexican drug theory then why the headless rat?
Ron’s explanation after denying that they did it at all was that it was to test Misty.
Why would he need to “test Misty” if they were all aware that it was a payback by some drug thugs?
Doesn’t add up when you think about it.

Cathartic – yes, I have considered Ron and Misty being behind bars for safety and to keep them out of the way. I wondered if a bigger bust might be about to go down for this Mexican drug person and to keep them safe and out of the way, the put them there by organizing the drug sting. Ron may have figured that all out and would explain why he is so calm behind bars. I don’t think Misty gets it as per her behavior and comments. I think she is lying about whatever it is she is telling her atty, the detectives and her family. If this theory holds up she is afraid of the Mexicans and will continue to lie….even if that means pointing the finger at her brother so she can get out of jail and back to Ron.

Tuff…perhaps Misty confided in Tommy about the truth….Ron may have freaked if he found out…worrying that Tommy would rat them out to LE and get them all killed, he places the headless rat in the mailbox as a warning. Again…just a possibility.

Cath,
the only issue I have with that is that we all saw how many different stories Misty told from the get go. Did Ron truly need to test her further even after all that story changing she managed to do beginning with her debut interviews?
I dunno.

Good thinking JB. So shouldn’t Ron have really freaked out when Tommy told LE that he had gone to the MH that night and that no one answered when he knocked on the door?
Seems to me with the arrests and all that it is possible that R and C were just going about life as usual in the fast lane kind of thing.

oops R and M not R an C. My apologies.

Tuff Stuff, I don’t think he needed to test her further. He could have just said that, but put the rat there for other reasons.

A dead rat usually means “you are dead if you rat me out.” He put it there as a warning to the Croslins not to squeal on him. However, I have no doubt people has a LOT of things they could squeal about on Ron. It might not have meant don’t say anything about that night, or whatever. It could have been don’t say anything about anything period, or you’re a dead rat.

I think if any of this led to finding Haleigh we would have heard about an investigation team being sent out to some place to find her. I’m afraid that whatever we hear it will be just as vague as everything else we hear.

JB…thanks so much for your kind words. I can’t tell you how sad this news makes me….I can’t stop crying. Life can be so unfair and TJ being sick is a perfect example.

I really think I will take today off, but I’ll be enjoying reading yours and everyone else’s posts in the background.

Ron was never charged for the headless rat so that means to me he didn’t do it and Tommy made the whole mess up.

Can I ask why ya’ll think Ron knows anything at all? He is not a suspect, per LE, but 13 months later people keep saying Ron knows, Ron did it. He was at work his whole shift, that’s been verified, LE is satisfied he worked his shift, Haleigh was seen by people after Ron went to work, so I just don’t get it..

I am sure that missing Mexican RSO is back in MX.It’s usually where they skedaddle to when they get into trouble here.

cathartic, I agree that the rat thing sounds like something ron would do… although I wouldn’t want to test the theory, I think rons bark is worse than his bite… and he may have thought this exact thing about the mexicans.

Yep, methinks. I have no doubt RC is really a wimp who just talks the talk, etc…

Hey Jan57…I agree those Cobra tapes are very interesting. But, like most things in this case, the info has not been verified so they should be viewed for now as hearsay, imo.

oh my – have you seen what hit the news tonite in Florida??? George anthony had a affair. and this may be what the prosecution has been holding from the defense until it was verified…

wow

http://www.wftv.com/news/22825765/detail.html

***Anyone see that vid of the man that punch that child in the face with his keys at Walmart… for the thrill! He’s been doing it to children for months… and the bastard is 68 YEARS OLD!!

If it were my kid… he would be screaming more than “Help I Can’t Get Up”, once my foot was removed from his throat.

Could it be that Misty wasnt home .Came back,an walked in on,someone doing what ever to Precious Haliegh on the couch,an caught it being someone she knew.Scared they coverd the crime.I say this if Little Jr saw someone in black, he mentioned the couch.Only if that part is true,an if Crystal didnt feed him stories,or the child over heard grown ups talking..How close did TN,an Granny,Tommy live to Halieghs home? Was it in eye shot of the trailor?

Seems everyone left lol hope it wasnt because i came. I know when your on a roll,its hard to stop an chat.So ill check in later.

Hi cent! I hope your feeling better.

Hey Methinks… I’m a bit better, just really tired, so in between napping I’m checking in!!

Tuff… my boot, ankle and calve would have been making room for the other’s.

I’m getting to bounce… but have a good night guys. This 68yr man.. just gave me a flash-back of an elderly chick pushing my son out of line in the drug store. ((( No, I didn’t beat)))

Night All!!!

Cartharic … I know that time.. different man!!

lol cent. Feel better soon!

A possible theory is that everyone is involved cuz of drug dealings..it all trickles down to the lowest person dealing..No one will talk, because once it starts, the trail will lead on and on. The higher up people fear for their life…the bottom buyers/dealers are simply scared of jail! LE bribes the lowers by asking them to snitch in return for reduction or no sentence. The higher ups are in danger of getting exposed…who’s gonna be dumb enuf to start talking?? Or worse, who’s gonna turn snitch??
Therefore, there is an understanding that no one talks or we all fall down.
LE is NOTORIOUS for being in the deals.
So, who can ANY OF THESE PEOPLE rely on, when no one CAN TALK?

It’s not a matter of WHO KNOWS WHAT AND WHY they WONT talk….on the contrary, it’s a fact that EVERYONE BETTER NOT TALK.

Even LE.

Oh, and Johnny Sheffield used to work for PCSO on the right side of the law. Too bad he turned criminal, and has connections to ORGANIZED CRIME.

Okay, heres the hint: Who needs to shutup,and who has power? Problem is, EVERYONE needs to shutup; next problem is, EVERYONE has power OVER ONE ANOTHER…some large,some small.

WHO wants something?? Why?

Who in this scenario has the ability to get help and aid in accomplishing their plan??

I’ve been wondering why and how it is possible that all these FAMILIES are tied together in such a complex way??? EASY.

The DUMB ones talk WAY too much. Usually it’s either to cover their arse, or stupidly gloat.

The SMART ones don’t say anything, and there are 2 opposing possibilities why.

NG claims more NEW Jailhouse tapes now! Transcripts too!!

Hey JB, I know you aren’t here anymore but I had a chance to digest your mexican drug theory. Yes, my head spun every time I read it so I had to read it more than 24, no, 90, times. But I finally got it and I like it. It does explain a lot— you even got Jerome and Nay Nay in there!!

I used the numbers 24 and 90 because it seems like at first we were hearing that Ron called Misty more than 24 times that night and then it was upped to 90. Could be wrong on that, but after I wrote that I got to thinking about all those phone calls and how it seemed like Ronald was really worried about something, calling Misty so much from work. And then he stops to buy beer on the way home rather than rushing home to see what’s up. All those phone calls could be because he was worried about those drug dealers that night.

That’s one thing that the Griffis/Sheffield idea doesn’t explain, why he called Misty so much that night.

Who has the Mexican theory,i would like to read it.

He might not have been arrested,possibly just got the misdemeanor for obstruction of justice.I just thought about the phone convo with Tommy and Timmy said something about if he had been booked.He did have court continued.

I watched Nancy Grace this evening and heard Art Harris mention that there is a letter that Misty had written to a family member and that LE is going over her every word in that letter with a fine tooth comb. Seems she mentions the names of two people in that letter too.
Interesting.

Yep,saw that,she’s good at throwing people under.She knew she was being recorded,knew everyone would hear it when she told Chelsea.Pffttt!!!If she had info and didn’t give it a year ago,I hope she gets years for withholding info,being a dealer and something happening to HaLeigh in her care,plus anything else they can get her on.Noone holds info,unless they’re involved.

I find it impossible to believe anything Art Harris says. I want TJ back!

Misty knows nothing, she never did never will.. shes a scapegoat set up by a bungling inept law enforcement who are in cya mode rather than lets find haleigh mode. She is no “key” as they called her, shes the fallguy for their stupid incompetence..LE should be investigated! They hired Ron’s mother to be a dispatcher for christs sake! How clueless are these fools!?

OJ…Ron’s mother never worked for PCSO. Crystal’s father did.

OJ, If you are proven wrong in the end, will you be willing to admit you were wrong about Misty? You’ve been very consistent and outspoken about your beliefs about Misty, so I wonder, if it turns out she really DOES know something and always HAS known something, and it’s proven, how will you handle that fact? Not being sarcastic at all..just wondering.
I have this same question about a lot of posters who have consistently defended one side or another and stood strongly behind their beliefs; not just you, so I’m not singling you out..just curious, I guess.
You just always seem to say the same thing every post you make and that’s certainly your prerogative.

I shouldn’t listen to NG…I rarely do…watching it on youtube at the moment and it’s making me soooo angry.

She keeps saying Misty was “The last person to see this little girl alive”.

1. There is zero proof she is dead.
2. She’s already convicted her as the last person to see her. Even LE doesn’t say that.

Someone, please take this crazy liar off the tv.

KeepItReal,

How are you going to handle it if you find out she didn’t know anything? She is a teenager…I’d rather be in a position of giving her the benefit of the doubt than being part of a witch hunt against a teenager. I suspect you and some others will feel tremendous guilt. Nothing to feel guilty about for not convicting a teenager before she’s even charged with anything.

me, if you had read my post correctly, you would have noticed that I used the word IF it turns out misty does know something. I’ve never said she DID know anything. OJ comes on and states the same words every day, and people have belittled him in the past. I was just trying to figure out if he would be able to accept anything other than those same words he/she posts every time he/she posts, lol.
I feel no guilt whatsoever as I have not bashed or trashed EITHER side of the family; I’ve participated in different theories, as all have, but I’m not one of those who defend nor bash any of the families involved, no matter what my personal opinion of them may be.
Thank you for re-reading.

IMO, Misty does know something, it could be anything , but she hasnt been truthful in what she told LE about that night, and the nights leading up to that night,anything she has kept hiden could hold a clue to what happened to HaLeigh, She has not told the truth about what happened that night, LE knows more then we do and they say she hasnt tol the truth about her actions that night, So therefore I say, if you havent done anything wrong, then there is no need in not telling the whole truth and nothing but, so, she has lied for a reason, and therefore she knows something.

me said,in March 13th, 2010 at 12:20
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apology accepted. I think this is getting to ALL of us, and I think it has had a horrible effect on TJ’s health also. I wish for him all the best this world has to offer. He is truely the best and will be greatly missed!

ronfan said,in March 12th, 2010 at 7:33 pm A possible theory is that everyone is involved cuz of drug dealings..it all trickles down to the lowest person dealing..No one will talk, because once it starts, the trail will lead on and on. The higher up people fear for their life…the bottom buyers/dealers are simply scared of jail! LE bribes the lowers by asking them to snitch in return for reduction or no sentence. The higher ups are in danger of getting exposed…who’s gonna be dumb enuf to start talking?? Or worse, who’s gonna turn snitch??
Therefore, there is an understanding that no one talks or we all fall down.
LE is NOTORIOUS for being in the deals.
So, who can ANY OF THESE PEOPLE rely on, when no one CAN TALK?

It’s not a matter of WHO KNOWS WHAT AND WHY they WONT talk….on the contrary, it’s a fact that EVERYONE BETTER NOT TALK.

Even LE.

Oh, and Johnny Sheffield used to work for PCSO on the right side of the law. Too bad he turned criminal, and has connections to ORGANIZED CRIME.

Okay, heres the hint: Who needs to shutup,and who has power? Problem is, EVERYONE needs to shutup; next problem is, EVERYONE has power OVER ONE ANOTHER…some large,some small.

WHO wants something?? Why?

Who in this scenario has the ability to get help and aid in accomplishing their plan??

I’ve been wondering why and how it is possible that all these FAMILIES are tied together in such a complex way??? EASY.

The DUMB ones talk WAY too much. Usually it’s either to cover their arse, or stupidly gloat.

The SMART ones don’t say anything, and there are 2 opposing possibilities why.
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Ronfan , I like the way you think.
Always questioning the obvious and understanding the true potential of all of these families involved and their close and extended associates.
Ofcourse we do not have any idea what the whole truth of these two cases are and how they relate to one another, but, we can assume they are relevant to one another due to the slow task of resolving this case and approach LE has visiable demonstrated and still has not been able to name a suspect nor have they found Haleigh.
It is clear that the FDEA has been makeing it clear they are taking down the drug trade on various levels in Putnam County and it is not surprising that Ron and Misty where caught up in the cultural past time of the area and under the table ability to make cash.

Cobra seemed to be hitting that seedy side of this case and stepped on some toes, and possible not just KP’s.
We are now all aware that they here all doing drugs and the grandparents have had a past as well with drugs. It is also my opinion that the families where all aware of these younguns drug addictions and dealings way before HaLeigh came up missing.
I have been thinking………….
The one that has been the most quiet is Amber Brooks and I have always been of the opinion that they are the ones you realy need to worry bout.

Take a look at Ambers,Nay Nay’s and Misty’s booking photos and tell me who do you really think is the street smart one out of that line up.

I almost want to bet Nay Nay is one of the two that will get hurt.

Not realy knowing what all has been reported on TJ health issues all I can say is I do hope he gets well soon.

I was just thinking about what Misty said about her tatoo, she said that Ronald told her that to prove her Love for him she needed to get a tatoo of his name and she did, I would think if he had that much control over her then he would have said to prove your Love for me you need to tell me where HaLeigh is or what happened that night.

Thank You Texasmommy 39! I really appreciate your comment.

More interesting facts:
1. Kim Picazio told Johnny Sheffield to fire Cobra once Cobra became “suspicious” of the Sheffield family due to the fake search,fake evidence, and no alibis questioned of them.

2.Johnny Sheffield and Cobra remained on good friendly terms; immediately after J.S. fired Cobra, Ruby Kanger (J.S. mother in law) re-hired Cobra back as the P.I. !!

3. Johnny Sheffield admitted that he told pcsd to “stay away” from Cobra. (cuz he knew too much??) No One questioned it. (remember he was a sheriff for pcso, then turned criminal)

4. LE has NEVER released any alibi for Johnny Sheffield. Why? Either it’s purposely being disclosed, or he doesn’t have one??? Either way, isn’t that strange??

5. After the fake search scenario mess, when J.Sheffield feared there might be trouble, that’s when him, wife Connie, Ruby, and Marie fled to Kentucky. Kentucky is a no bond state.

6. In all of the interviews of Crystal and her attorney Kim Picazio, notice how they only speak of custody issues and Ron being abusive.
Nothing about Haleigh. There mission was all about making Ron look bad, and Crystal getting Custody.

7. BUT, initiallly after Haleigh disappeared, Crystal stated she believed that Misty and Ronald were truthful and that they had nothing to do with it. (Marie probably beat her up after that one!)

8. The mexicans are not even a drop in the bucket…just low life users/dealers driving around w/the girls; typical life for them.

9. Ron has had an absolutely clean record since he became a father. (this does not include the former arrests this past year) strange, though, all that time and absolutely clean. If he were on prob., he would be getting drug tested and having supervised visits from prob.officers.

10.Ron’s being protected; could be 2 different reasons why….Also, he is always tight lipped-smart.. no blabbing…Why?? Very careful. That Man is the smartest one here.

ky mom,

I don’t think Misty can even write….she only went to grade 6 in school…she has talked about how she wants to learn to read and write. I think AH is full of baloney.

I also find it interesting that Marie quickly associated herself with the As and the people they are using to help get Casey off….like Dominic Casey, the As themselves, and now Joy Wray.

I personally think everything will be found out soon. And I also think That Crystal should not have Jr. If she is failing drug test.. I mean what is up with that? I don’t care if she is doing rehab. They should not give Jr. to her unless her and Chad both can pass a drug test….
POOR LITTLE BUTTERBEAN his whole life has been torn upside down….

What does Chad do for a living?

Crystal’s myspace page still has Chad as her #1 friend…. Have you looked at it?
She did have a message to misty on there..

She has Misty as a friend on myspace. I think that is odd too considering they hate each other.

The only thing about Chad doing something to Haleigh is how would he know the back door would be unlocked. Ron said they never use that door right?

ronfan–just read your interesting facts. I am in total agreement. Why isn`t screaming from the rooftops and DEMANDING ANSWERS about her missing daughter? Is the Haleighbug foundation still in operation and has any searches been organized by the foundation? Her slience is deafening and speaks volumes to me. Her lack of effort and response to this disappearance leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Sorry I meant to put Crystal in there screaming from the rooftops..sorry

Maybe they went in through the front and out the back? Or gained entry through a window, then went out the back? But someone still had to put the brick there. Could there have been 2 people there? Or had a master key? If they had a master key, that opens pretty much any lock.

At the beginning (in an interview) Crystal had knowledge of that locked door–what kind of lock was used. I thought that was odd considering she never claimed to have visited there or been inside the MH.

The baby died on the 9th not the 10th…before Ronald went to work..Misty put her in a shallow grave..where a WHITE haired heavy set man lives..around the age of 50 or 60..the baby was kicked in the ribs twice..wrapped in a comforter that has small flowers on it..the van in question was used to take her out of the MH. her remains will be found and atleast two of the three in jail will be charged.just saying

My prayers go out to TJ. How he will be missed by so many. I pray he is back on his feet soon. Thank you TJ for all you have done keeping us informed regarding the Haleigh Case.

Thank You, Jan and Simon as well. I look forward to your show on Sunday.

Debunked, if that happened, why hasn’t LE found the body yet? Wouldn’t the dogs have found her?

Although it seems like H could have been kicked in the ribs and internally bled to death slowly, therefore reports of her being alive after R went to work are accurate.

The explanation is the type of thing I start with because it is simple and involves the most obvious people.

About the van, though, it was thoroughly processed and if they found anything wouldn’t they still have it in custody? But the van isn’t essential to the main idea.

JB, I was thinking more about the mexican drug dealers being behind HaLeigh’s disapperance and can’t figure why this would be so hard for LE if that were true. I’m probably just being dense, but what do you think makes it so hard for PCSO, FDLE and the FBI to get to the bottom of something like that?

I think it’s highly pbssible that whoever planned Haleigh’s abduction is not the one who physically took her. Someone else was recruited and paid with either money or, more likely drugs. At the very least, someone or ones enabled her to be taken by unlocking the back door and signaling to someone that the coast was clear (e.g., by removing a blanket from a window?)
It may very well have been that the original intention was to take Haleigh for a short time to scare her father (for revenge?) and then “return” her. But the almost instant media attention scared whoever was involved with this plan. Who knows what they have done with this poor child since. I think that everybody involved with this crime is afraid to say anything because they don’t know what has become of her.

Looks like Misty wrote a letter to a relative that says what happened that night. I bet her lawyer is pulling his hair out by the hand fulls…. She must have been half believed because LE copied the letter and from whats been said are going over it with a fine tooth comb. Will there be enough evidence to make the letter work? Or is it a ploy and she is throwing someone under the bus again. jmo

robin said,in March 13th, 2010 at 5:28 am At the beginning (in an interview) Crystal had knowledge of that locked door–what kind of lock was used. I thought that was odd considering she never claimed to have visited there or been inside the MH.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/13/ijvm.01.html
SNIPPED BY ME FOR SPACE:
GRIFFIS: I don`t know anything about the TV. My daughter, Crystal, has been in that house, and she said Haleigh and Junior have beds set up in one room and then there`s a big bed in the room that, I guess, Ronald and Misty would sleep in, and that`s the one that we understand that they were all three in.

Also of intrest is this comment from Marie Griffis “My feeling all along, Haleigh is not in this area. I’ve been adamant about it. I know she’s out of state somewhere. Don’t ask me how I know, it is right here in my gut,” Haleigh’s grandmother, Marie Griffis, told First Coast News reporter Lindy Thackston at a vigil Thursday night. The family has held the vigil every night since Haleigh disappeared.

“I have no idea why, but I know HaLeigh is fine, but I don’t feel HaLeigh’s… I don’t feel HaLeigh here in this area – she’s not here – she’s, she’s somewhere else – someone has got her and has transported her out of Florida and something just keeps – it stays in my mind constantly, Georgia – Alabama – Georgia Alabama.”

“Everybody tells me, well a sexual offender done this. I just don’t feel that. Whoever has her knows her,” Griffis

BBL
Back from my rescue mission in Florida. Baby sister filing for a divorce and came back home to TEXAS!!!!!

I’m getting the feeling this will be another jon benet ramsey case..the police and the media have beat the bushes, arrested the usual suspects and are no closer to finding haleigh. I hope it turns out she was taken by someone who wanted to give her a better life and is fine and taken care of. I want her safe.

romewi,

AH is the source of info for the letter. Last I heard Misty didn’t know how to write.

methinks,

Hope your abcess is better?

Was the letter on the news? I only saw AH tell NG about it….and I’d hardly call NG or AH “the news”!

me, My tooth is much better. thank you. and yes, I believe it was NG that had it on. bit I don’t think AH brought it up first…which I guess still leaves it in queston. I do believe it though. I think misty is able to read and write, but I don’t think she’s able to do either very well. Her dad however, is completely illiterate as far as I know.

methinks said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

texasmommy, I don’t know about Debunkeds post, but I’m here to tell ya’ that tobias would never post something that tobias hasn’t checked out first. Misty DID write a letter to a family member, it was on the news…just sayin’
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yea, but was it on the news elsewhere besides what Art Harrass has said. 😉 His sources close to the investigation all have the last name of Croslin 😀

GRACE: Art, please stop! S-T-O-P. Because she was just saying, I`ve done 23 days already, and I`m going to get into drug court. She doesn`t get it! She`s not scared!

HARRIS: Well, that`s what the family is telling me, that off-camera, Nancy, the investigators have had an effect on her. And right now, they are investigating a letter she has sent to a family member telling what she says she knows about that night with Haleigh.

GRACE: OK. Now, there`s some breaking news. Tell me some more about the letter.

HARRIS: Well, the letter has gone to a family member. The family member turned it over to investigators, and they are trying to see what details in the letter they can confirm, what they can`t. They believe, I`m told, some things Misty says. They don`t believe others. The problem with Misty, Nancy, is that if whoever she says or claims did whatever they did, she`s got to have corroboration on the witness stand. She is not a credible witness at this point.

heres a snippit…I stand corrected.

I assume all her incoming and outgoing mail is screened…so, it seems the authorities didn’t think it was worth intercepting, but someone in her family did??

What is wrong with that family, talking to AH about her every chance they can get? Don’t they know of AH’s agenda and that he doesn’t want to help Misty, just exploit her? IMO, her family are demonstrating time and time again that they’d sell her out for a buck. I hope she gets counselling while in jail and cuts ties from them.

I would imagine that if indeed, she did write this letter, and I believe she did, that it was intercepted, photocopied, and sent along it’s merry way. This is a great opportunity for investigators to see what happens to it when it arrives at its destination. Whether or not the addressee turns it into authorities speaks volumes. I think the letter accuses Tommy and cousin joe and was sent to chelsey. She probably gave it to Hank who turned it in in hopes of getting himself and maybe lisa a deal on their charges…maybe?

me, Yep, he definately strikes me as the kind of guy that would have no problem selling out his children…but I think if he had to choose, misty would go first…thats why he’s saying to her, I know what your saying and I don’t believe you. It’s quite possible he could have supplied the sting info.

Well, heck, VAQ – I can’t tell who said it was on the local news, so pls forgive if it wasn’t you.

Whoever actually did write that, please indicate what your source is.

WinnterROoze – why are you posting that link re: the sex offender? I don’t know Chelsea or her family but JMO it’s quite a fantastic leap to make a connection between her and that RSO.

Thank you for keeping it real.

LFlorida,
You’re such a moron,noone wants to hear your bs,so why do you follow people around to be your usual Biotch self?Everyone’s had to hear a year of your crap and noone likes you so just go away.
He’s not a SO,duh,don’t you know anything?Oh that’s right you get your info by pming people,so you can suck info and post it like you know something.Go back to your snakepit.”I’m a local”,well that’s something to be proud of and tells us alot. Pfftt!!!

LFlorida said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

VAQ – What local news source has that? I haven’t seen or heard anything.

TIA.
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local news source for what?

vaquera said,in March 13th, 2010 at 11:46 pm LFlorida said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

VAQ – What local news source has that? I haven’t seen or heard anything.

TIA.
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local news source for what?
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Good question Vaq. LOL

night, Anne. I have no idea what she is talking about 😀

Vaquera,
Your welcome.LOL 😉

I have another question; Ron refers to his cop friend in jail as Jason.

There was a man named Jason who was booked at the exact same time, he is listed right along with the whole gang.
BUT, he was coincidentaly bailed out IMMEDIATELY.

UNDERCOVER??

ronfan,

Your theory is quite interesting.

Reading it I thought about how Johnny seemed to know who NayNay was. Could Johnny have possibly asked NayNay to unlock the door?

I also can’t get it out of my head that Kyle Johns, the closest RSO to Haleigh’s house at only 500 feet away is somehow related to Marie (Marie’s maiden name was Johns)…it looks like she’s his aunt. The map from his RSO flyer has the house as being behind Haleigh’s and it looks like he very possibly had a view to Haleigh’s home. I just keep thinking of Marie on the video re Chad saying words to the effect of “he only lives 500 feet away, of course I knew he was home”. Could Kyle have been watching the comings and goings from Haleigh’s home? How far can they wander from home before their bracelet alarms? How do we know if he even had a bracelet?

Just took another look and Kyle Johns was not under supervision at the time, which means no bracelet, monitoring etc.

I`d post the link to the property records, but I don`t think links will post. But the records show the same owner on both properties.

Didn’t Ron say that he changed the locks and that no one else had a key (paraphrasing)?

I assume Crystal would have been receiving warning letters re unpaid child support and threats of legal action for contempt before the proceedings were actually commenced.

Just dropped in for a sec… When I lived in an apartment, I changed the locks and never gave one to the landlord!

Got to go do a breathing treatment… See Ya later in the day!!

Just looking at the pic of the chair they found in the woods again…very creepy, especially the fact there was also rope and a shovel with it.

And I just came across a statement by Ron that he thought the locks were bumped. These days it is soooo easy to get into a locked door. Anyone who has ever locked themselves out (as I have many times) knows this. The locksmith can gain entry as quick as if he used the actual key….scary.

And now, it`s bedtime for me.

Cent! me neither!

MeThinks… are you in MINN…. for reals!!!!

Me.. exactly!!! Now a days… landlords, managers can NOT be trusted!

The first landlord had my new address as they indicated they would mail me my security deposit there…so they must have gone to property records to find out my new landlords name…and when they called her, she jumped on the bandwagon and broke in! I can’t tell you how much it shook me up.

LOL…I actually set up a webcam on each of the 2 doors and turned it on to record everytime I went out!

OJ what show?

The truth is the truth……….and that fell out of Misty’s mouth!
I have been cathing up this morning and listening to the tapes that all of you have been chatting about. Misty is in the safest place she could be right now in my opinion….. I would be on my way back to Florida to commit a felony against this minor!!!!!!!!
Putting all that aside, I did notice that Misty did in fact write a letter and I would bet it was to Hank Sr.
It probably was in code, because Hank Sr. states “I think I understand who you are trying to say and I don’t believe that”and Misty then says ” Well, I am telling you.”
I am thinking that it is not Tommy or cousin Joe that Misty is accusing but someone that Hank does know as well as Chelsae.

The only two people that come to mind that Misty will be sad to hurt is TN and GGMS. There is no one else that this family would care about and if Ron is Chelses first thought, I am assuming that it is the Cummings they would care about. Chelse made it clear that she did not like Ron.
Misty is the key all right to what is behind door #1
The person or person’s that had a motive and ability to take HaLeigh, but, Misty gave them the opportunity, but, how and why?
The other thing I am keeping in mind is LE’s statements that it is someone that knew this family.

Few come to mind that would have a motive and ability and then have had the opportunity to gain something from Misty, knowingly or unknowingly given or done.
The no forced entry issue is our first clue.
We can theorize that this one piece of the puzzle is where the key is necessary.
Did Misty give somene a key or access to a key or did she leave the door unlocked.
When did all this oppertunity take place? That night or the weekend before?
Nay Nay comes to mind at this point and that leads me straight to Amber Brooks.
This is where I have a problem…. what would Amber and Nay Nay get out of this? Would Misty willingly give these two the oppertunity?

It falls apart for me, until you look at the chain of events that took place after the abduction.

My hinky meter has been sounding alarms from the begining on the Bio moms side and have second guessed my instincts and judgment of their character many, many times and I still come back to them for the logical conclusion to this mystery.

The Search conducted by the Sheffields and Marie on March 22nd 2009.
Amber Brooks and Nay Nay are both arreasted together on April 20th 2009.
Nay Nay and Amber Brooks are both bonded out by Cobra and both girls bonds where revoked within days.
Nay Nay was willing to chit chat, but, Amber was silent.
We can connect the dots and come to the Sheffields and the wealth of dirt and information that was revealed and manufactured from day one.
The money that was collected in this child’s name began the day she went missing.
The legal actions against Crystal for non pamnt of support where stopped the very day HaLeigh was abducted and then paid in full within a month or so.
Crystals obvious choices to continue her drug use clearly demonstrates the selfishnes that it would take to commit such a crime against ones own child.
Crystals history is of lieing and playing the victim and she selfishly pulled these tricks as well, since the very day HaLeigh was abducted.

So I ask who had the motive, ability and the given oppertunity that Misty is now willing to reveale?
Who would Misty think would know who has HaLeigh alive and well to be found and returned?

simon’s show..its not on ;/

OJ…there is a new thread talking about the show being cancelled today.

This is absolute crazy!!!! The two RSO have ties to the Griffis- this is just unreal!!!

So,there’s even more people (RSO) who have connections AND can have easy access to the house..very odd about the one who just moved there…Donald Sapp.

But, whoever actually took Haleigh had to be someone she knew; BUT, what if they needed help in transferring her to wherever, and that’s why that RSO Donald Sapp suddenly moved there..kind of like an underground railroad? If you think about it, if J.Sheffield wanted his plan to succeed, he would recruit any and all to help him, like links in a chain.

Maybe she could have been “passed” over to different people, until she was finally with shady Johnny and creepy Marie. Haleigh wouldn’t question it, because that’s her family. But, since it got so much media exposure and attention, that’s why the Sheffields had to have her “hidden away” under the care of someone close to the family. And of course, trekking state to state.

And now J.S.’s stuck in a corner because EVERYONE IS INVOLVED, and as we’ve all agreed, it was never meant to be a media scenario.

OH, ABOUT THE KEY: (sorry, I just got off track, because I’m thinking who else could get in that house?? RONALD STATED HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD A KEY TO THE BACK DOOR…EXCEPT THE LANDLORD. The PCSO reported that they questioned the landlord and his wife, (he’s a reverend or something like that) and they were cleared.

Exactly.

Her key could have been “borrowed” or lost,l and Misty left the door unlocked since she couldn’t find her key. Either door could have been left unlocked, actually. Just sayin’ if she did not have a key, if she went out she would have had to leave a door unlocked.

OT

cathartic,

Glad kitty is improving. Is it possible the vet got it wrong and that he’s blocked rather than infected?? Hopefully he’ll be recovered very soon.

Re tooth pain…I hear ya….it’s awful…I paid $6000 for a bridge about a decade ago, and the guy messed it up, and I’ve had to learn to deal with it as it would cost me a fortune to get it out and start again. And, this week I am in for big kitty expenses too, as my Benjamin is booked for surgery on Thursday. Kitties come first around here too!

Hopefully things will be better for you very soon.

Cathartic, sorry your pain!

me, Yes! She would not admit to leaving the kids alone.

One thing to think of is maybe someone lured her out of there. Like called her to do a deal, to meet them somewhere close by, and she went thinking she would only be gone a short time. And when she came back Haleigh was gone.

But I know she is not telling LE the truth about that night. She may not know anything about Haleigh, but I believe that would only be if she wasn’t there when whatever happened, happened.

I do believe it is possible if she left someone saw her leave, or knew she was leaving, then tried the door(s). I also think if this happened she discovered Haleigh gone sooner, much earlier than she said, and she went about clearing out drugs, etc., from the home because she knew she would have to call LE.

Just another theory among so many. But she knows something, or did something that night that she isn’t telling. All I can say is if she left, she was home again soon and didn’t see anyone while she was gone that would be willing to come forth and say they saw her out.

JMO.

Cathartic: Ron made a statement on the news right after the disappearance that he and the landlord are the ONLY who have a key to that backdoor. He also added that it had only been opened two times since they had been living there; and,he was adament that before he went to work he ALWAYS CHECKED THE DOOR{S}.

Knowing Ron, just what we see from him, he seems like the type that wouldn’t “allow” anyone else to have a key, lol!!
It’s on youtube, just go on Ronald Cummings and it’s there. I am dying to know about the info on Misty having a key. Please remember!!!My head is spinning!! Poor Ron, I bet the whole neighborhood had keys!!! There’s probably a basket of them buried somewhere in Palatka..LOL (but hank kept his!!)

I had a question: Isn’t there supposed to be a certain type of key that is encoded so it can’t be copied. One place I rented in the past was like that.

Haleigh needs this blog so our voices can be heard begging daily for everyone and anyone to continue looking, and to not give up till she is found. Where else has anyone found that all can come together and/or read with the common goal to understand the facts that are known and the people that surrounded HaLeigh? One f themor many had a motive, ability and opportunity to commit this crime against this 5 year old child?
This case needs to be solved and these MONSTERS need to be the example of what will not be tolerated by our justice system and receive justifiably harsh punishment for committing a crime against a child!!!!!!!!!
The system needs the cracks filled and our voice coud be the glue that will keep the MONSTERS locked up. MY hope i that one day our children will be safe in there beds as they sleep, walking home form school or playing in the neigborhood park.

cathartic,
I am not convinced they gained access through the front door. If they knowingly needed or planned the blocking of the back screen door that actualy indicates to me they went in that way or through a window or from under the trailer, a place they could not as easily removed HaLeigh from. Why would they plan an exit from the back door if they came in from the front door?

I Agree, but, it just seems strange to go in one door and plan to go out another.

thank you me

ronfan said,in March 14th, 2010 at 5:25 pm Cathartic: Ron made a statement on the news right after the disappearance that he and the landlord are the ONLY who have a key to that backdoor. He also added that it had only been opened two times since they had been living there; and,he was adament that before he went to work he ALWAYS CHECKED THE DOOR{S}.

Knowing Ron, just what we see from him, he seems like the type that wouldn’t “allow” anyone else to have a key, lol!!
It’s on youtube, just go on Ronald Cummings and it’s there. I am dying to know about the info on Misty having a key. Please remember!!!My head is spinning!! Poor Ron, I bet the whole neighborhood had keys!!! There’s probably a basket of them buried somewhere in Palatka..LOL (but hank kept his!!)

I had a question: Isn’t there supposed to be a certain type of key that is encoded so it can’t be copied. One place I rented in the past was like that
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First, I have 6 doors and only use 2, I never check the doors that aren’t unlocked makes him look paranoid IMO and second, Ron also said he didn’t do drugs.Just Saying?

just one said,

The lock on the back door Ron said he had put it on himself, so no one would have a key to it, not that I believe it, and yea, like you said, he said he didnt do drugs….we all know thats a lie,.

cathartic, whether the crime scene was changed prior to LE arriving they came in and ruined it before forensics could be gathered by jerking the bedding off the very bed Haleigh was taken from. Literally from minute one this case was compromised. It is sad how botched things have been handled. LE released the house and family and media had been all through the home before they removed the back door to take in for forensics. Just mind boggling.

Treece,

I agree the home was released back to the family way too soon. I also do not understand them not taking the door right away, or taking the bedding out of the home.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the investigation did not go the way it should have from the beginning. THAT is THE MAIN REASON that I began looking online for information sites (like this one) where Haleigh was being discussed. I feared that LE was not actively or properly investigating, that this baby girl was just not going to be found and it seemed no one cared.

With all that going the way it did, to not see Ronald and Misty in LE’s face DAILY, demanding something be done, just made me cry. I would have been screaming for justice if my child was missing and LE was not doing what they should be doing to find her.

I don’t know that area but it appears as though crime happens under everyone’s nose as a matter of course, and no one in LE lifts a finger to do a thing about it. I find that highly questionable on its own, but a missing child is something that LE should have cared about enough to do everything as correctly as humanly possible right from the beginning, because now they cannot go back and do it over.

*please forgive typos*

Of course Ron and Misty wasnt gonna be in LE’s face, they already know what happened,

me said,in March 14th, 2010 at 3:16 am And, what about the coincidence that Donald Sapp, the second closest RSO to where Haleigh lived (who is now back in jail for molesting another child), had just moved from Macclenny to Satsuma a few weeks before Haleigh went missing???? What a weird coincidence that he moved from where Crystal & Marie lived (which is a tiny town) to where Ron lived (another tiny town)???
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Not only is that strange me, but although Sapp had moved close to Haleigh, he hadn’t actually registered his new address at the time of her disappearance, so how did PCSO investigate him, if they had no record of him being there?

just one…

Just speculating re Ron checking the door lock….maybe he was worried that Haleigh or someone else might have unlocked it, so checked it regularly?

I know when I was a little kid, probably about 3, I somehow climbed onto the kitchen counter, got into the top cupboard in the kitchen, found the baby aspirin bottle, ate some myself and gave the rest to my 2 year old sister and 1 year old brother! And I had wonderful responsible parents….my mom freaked when she realized I’d done it…pretty tense few hours followed! Kids can get into and do things and sometimes as parents you just have to keep checking those sorts of things.

cathartic said,in March 14th, 2010 at 10:21 pm It’s not just Ron and Misty that should have been hounding LE. All Haleigh’s family, and everyone in the community should have been in LE’s face. It just seems that no one has demanded anything of them, and that is something I just can’t wrap my mind around.
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That’s one of the major problems I have with the Sheffield/Griffis carrying on about how abusive Ron was (pretty much from day one…did you see Chad’s first iv?) and this “Misty is the key” rubbish they ran with. From there on everyone blamed Misty and seemed to think it was useless to do anything but pressure Misty to tell the truth.

I think PCSO is in way over their head…they probably have few, if any, trained homicide detectives there. I remain stunned that the public has let them get away with blaming a 17 year old for not being able to solve the case. That would be like blaming Scott Peterson for not talking for not being able to charge him. It is their job to investigate, not blame teenagers for their failure to solve crimes.

Noreen said,in March 14th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

Not only is that strange me, but although Sapp had moved close to Haleigh, he hadn’t actually registered his new address at the time of her disappearance, so how did PCSO investigate him, if they had no record of him being there?
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Yep, and he didn’t just move from Macclenny to Satsuma, but he moved in with a Griffis in Satsuma. Hmmmmm.

over their head

LOL, sorry, my typing leaves much to be desired…

cathartic….

As someone who has locked myself out of many different homes over the years, I can tell you from personal experience, that locksmiths come along using their master key and open your door as quick as you could with your regular key! It’s a bit scary. And their master keys hit the black market from time to time. I don’t think it matters if it’s a deadbolt…those keys can open all the locks as far as I’m aware.

cathartic,

Yep, they were and over in way over their head. What continues to concern me is how they were able to eliminate dozens of local RSOs, many of which were not being monitored with bracelets etc, within practically hours of her disappearing. That, imo, was ridiculous. The RSO that lived in the same trailer park, who is apparently related to Marie, wasn’t being monitored in any way. Are they saying all these people had rock solid alibis for the time 10pm-3am?…makes no sense to me.

What is lock bumping?
Lock bumping is a new lock picking technique for opening a lock using a specially-crafted bump key (or 999 key).

“Bumping” a lock is disturbingly simple to do, as you can see in this video of an even for an 11-year old kid bumping a lock. Lock bumping works on more than 90% of locks presently installed in homes and offices, including deadbolts, padlocks, and post-office boxes.
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From a site called antibumplocks.com. They have news video about it, and even an 11 year old demonstrating how easy it is!

Ky mom,

I have listened to him. All I can say to that is, what a shame she didn’t have a proper home to go to, with a caring and responsible adult in it. She has been used and exploited by so many, and he’s just another one on that long list hoping to get his 15 minutes out of this.

I think she may have lied about some things, like perhaps she went out for a bit, or later lied about the kids being in a different bed because people were criticising her for sleeping the same bed. And I think she may have spent some time looking for Haleigh before Ron got home, but I’m not convinced she knows much more about what happened to Haleigh than what she’s told. She told LE from the start that she suspected Joe & Tommy, and I think if it’s anyone from that side of the family, they are the most likely.

Yep, so many cashing in. Most don’t care about the truth, just wanna see their own mugs on tv. Sad.

Me, you said, “Yep, so many cashing in. Most don’t care about the truth, just wanna see their own mugs on tv. Sad.”
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To that I would add, “hear themselves on radio” (and tweet! LOL!)
See OJ’s comment at 6:50 am.

If there is ONE thing that Haleigh does NOT NEED any more of it is gossip and MIS-information, and SLANTED and INACCURATE “reporting.”
If someone is going to gossip and BS at least ADMIT IT!
As far as I’m concerned he might as well be jumping up and down on her grave yelling “Look at me! I’m a star! (oh, btw, thanks Haleigh)” Yes, it disgusts me THAT much.

Just One:
You said: “I see no reason to check a door every night that was never unlocked or used and that Haleigh COULDN’T open.”
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I don’t understand the issue about R saying that he checked that door before leaving every time. For one thing, there were other people in that house from time to time including but not limited to Misty who could open it if they wanted to. It seems like a reasonable precaution to take rather than assuming it stayed locked. Also, this statement reinforces LE’s conclusion that there was no forced entry.
I do not see how lying about that benefits him (if he’s guilty) or M (if she’s guilty).

Hi, cathartic! Last time I said M may not have had keys to the house someone said she did. So I had not heard for sure if she did or didn’t have one for that door. But still, why would R have to say the door was locked and had to have been bumped when he could have left the subject alone and STILL have the possibility that a stranger walked in (if it was unlocked).

Claiming that it was locked only bolsters LE’s postion that it was not a forced entry – presuming LE knows more about what a “bumped lock” would look like than R. I guess I just don’t see how lying about checking it serves R’s purpose if his purpose is to cover up something.
Also, who was assuming she did not have a key?LE or us? 🙂

Misty apparently did not have a key to either MH door for awhile. She did have one to the front door, but lost/misplaced it. So for a brief while she was without a key. She never had a key to the back door as far as anyone knows. Her front door key that had been lost was found by Annette Sykes. I do not know when or where it was found, and also cannot prove it is true that Sykes found a key Misty had misplaced/lost. I read that somewhere and cannot remember where because it was quite a while ago.

I too think it might be important because so much has been made about no forced entry. I still believe this could have been stranger abduction, or at least started out that way but then morphed into something that put everyone into CYA mode.

Too many people acting inappropriately to the situation. I mean, one or two is not unusual, but so many people doing things that don’t look right, or not doing things most everyone would do if their child was missing. IDK what to think anymore. I have had my suspicions about the investigation itself but the only way I can stay sane at this point is to have hope that LE knows what they are doing.

cathartic said,in March 15th, 2010 at 1:42 pm I too think it might be important because so much has been made about no forced entry. I still believe this could have been stranger abduction, or at least started out that way but then morphed into something that put everyone into CYA mode.

Too many people acting inappropriately to the situation. I mean, one or two is not unusual, but so many people doing things that don’t look right, or not doing things most everyone would do if their child was missing. IDK what to think anymore. I have had my suspicions about the investigation itself but the only way I can stay sane at this point is to have hope that LE knows what they are doing.
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The back door that he mentioned was never used yet he checked every night was like Misty and her story about the blankets, too much unnecessary rambling and lying on top of that. The door never had signs of forced entry like he originally stated, just too much rambling about something small, again just like the blanket stories with Misty.

cathartic said,in March 15th, 2010 at 3:55 pm I do not think that lock could have been bumped. It was very difficult to turn. It would have taken many tries to bump; that would have been noisy and would likely have left some visible sign of manipulation. The reporter who took the first tour through the MH showed the lock and it did not require a key to open from inside; it had the thumb-turn mechanism. Also she opened the lock and commented on how difficult it was to turn.

I place Ron’s “I wuz at werk” in the same category as Misty’s blanket washing statement; both were repeated ad nauseum and in lieu of a real response to a question. Anytime anyone asked a question Ron did not want to answer he dodged with either, “I wuz at werk” or, “My personal life is not important and just takes the focus off Haleigh.”

Scott P. did the same thing: “I was fishing” or “My personal life is irrelevant and just takes the focus off Laci.”

All JMO, so I will neither defend it nor argue about it
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I totally agree, and great correlation about Scott Peterson and his routine “I wuz fishing” vs Ron’s “I wuz at werk”, and Misty’s ” I wuz sleeping”, and then squeeze in TN and Ron saying that Ron’s personaly life was irrelevant. That’s a CROCK as GGS would say, and the rest was ad nausuem. Agree with entire stmt!

IMO, if the door had been left unlocked it would have been deemed easier for a stranger to enter. That Ronald insisted over and over that it was locked when he left that evening is not a problem for me, because the door being locked makes it look more like an “inside” job. Meaning, if he is lying about the door being locked it would point guilt more toward him or Misty than away. So, no reason for Ron to lie about the door being locked.

As for checking and rechecking window/door locks, I used to do that when my daughter was young. I don’t see a problem with any parent or caretaker doing that. I never actually talked about it endlessly, but then I was never asked about it repeatedly.

I am not sure a perp entered via the back door anyway. I think back door was used for exit, but front door for entry. Front door was partially obscured by a small porch added on to the MH. Front door may have had a lock that could have been bumped or picked much easier that the difficult-to-turn deadbolt on the back door. And, if it’s true Misty had “misplaced” her key…

I agree, there was alot of statements made that just sounded out of place, Ronald said about 10 times that he was at work, once was good, but he just kept on repeating it over and over and then some more as the days went by. Just like Misty kept saying, I was asleep, just didnt have the ring of truth to it anymore after hearing it so many times.

m2c♥ said,in March 16th, 2010 at 5:57 am Just One @ 7:40 pm – If you have a “lying drug addict” for a “cousin,” who is NOT in jail and who knows where you live, then I don’t think you “live in a very safe enviroment” at all and I think you have good reason to “worry about such things obsessively.”
I’m not being a smart-A; I’m serious. You really should take every precaution to protect your home, your belongings, yourself and your family.
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Well, he IS in jail, when he wasn’t though he was extremely paranoid because he owed even the two bit drug dealers small cash. He hid his car at night, slept in the living room on the floor and slept with a rifle by him.

He lives thousands of miles away and I live in a gated community with out own security patrol, in fact the only thing that has ever happened in the 16 yrs I lived here was a stolen bike. Thanks for the concern though, I genuinely appreciate it.

FUCK OFF WINTER ROSE!!!!