Thanks for the response. That’s a reasonable thought too.

Watts’ Funeral Home is also selling Haleigh buttons and t-shirts and will donate all of that money to the Haleigh Fund.

You can purchase a shirt or button from Watts at 720 Highway 17 South in San Mateo.

At the end of the tape I mentioned above, he says to Lindsey, “I sent you a serious letter out. Don’t be mad at me, but it’s pretty serious.” Could that be some kind of confession? Just a thought. Any ideas?

Yep, fundraising for the family appeared to be MG’s top priority when Haleigh went missing, and I believe she wanted it all for herself, hence the trashing of Ron.

I’d love to see her computer records for the months leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance. I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out she did some research in relation to fundraising, foundations etc.

As for despising Marie…I put her in the same category as Lisa Croslin but worse. Running a drug house with young children in it, not ensuring your children get the free education every child should have, letting her child move out and in with a guy at 14 etc. I can’t respect any mother who does that to her children.

LOL, me…even in a stranger abduction scenario you have to have Marie involved!
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LOL…just read back and see what you mean! Actually, I do believe it could have been an RSO who was unknown to anyone in the case.

Guess I just get frustrated by the fact that everyone has looked into every possible distant relative of the Cummings and Croslins (some now even want info re TN’s new boyfriend!), yet everyone wants to overlook all the criminal characters on the other side of the family!

LOL, me…even in a stranger abduction scenario you have to have Marie involved!

You seem to despise that woman. But, I will say, if she was involved in any way, she will be found out…don’t think the “other side” is not being watched.

Tuff Stuff,

I agree, I don’t see why they would have tried to pull it off, but anything is possible. If it were me in that situation I wouldn’t even attempt for the possibility of getting my child taken away or myself going to jail. They could have been desperate to get her out of that environment, but why leave the boy? It wouldn’t make sense. So for me, I go back to the Tommy/Joe theory or the drug od, or Ron hurting her. Crystal’s family would have def. been the preferred choice. At least you would know she was safe and not dead. I just don’t know.

Actually, that’s not true. You should read the transcripts from the actual hearing…they are quite enlightening.
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Actually I read all of them, and he was receiving donations thru Watt’s Funeral Home far quicker then Marie. Jus saying

Oh no. I am so sorry to hear this. Even though I don’t know TJ, I’ve become fond of him through following his coverage of this case. I sure hope he is feeling better soon.

Hugs to you TJ!

Actually, that’s not true. You should read the transcripts from the actual hearing…they are quite enlightening.

How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.
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Everybody no doubt knew the As did pretty well financially out of Caylee going missing….and Marie wasted no time setting up Haleighbug. I am sure she broke all records in relation to setting up a foundation for a missing child. Even the As waited many months, Marie had it going within 4-5 weeks.

I still believe stranger abduction could be the answer. In cases like that sometimes the “stranger” targets a child, gets to know habits/schedules of the family, etc., then watches and waits.
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I agree with your thoughts on this too!

And it’s interesting that the closest RSO to where Haleigh lived was Kyle Johns….only 500 feet away….coincidence that he’s related to Marie? Hmmmmm.

That is what I think re Misty “talking” too.
Hoping your kitty is improving??

Ummmm….maybe life insurance….and let’s not forget HaleighBug….kinda hard to ask people to support your family after the child is found. And kinda hard to sell all those tshirts and bracelets Marie’s hawking.

If the Sheffield side did it, it was about money, imo. I wouldn’t expect Haleigh to surface until such time as LE finds her.

If Crystal & Marie had been more concerned about finding Haleigh than trashing and telling lies about Ron, he would have kept his job, and wouldn’t have needed to sell drugs to make some cash, and none of this would have happened.

But for some reason, Crystal & Marie were more interested in making Ron look bad than they were in finding Haleigh, or in Jr’s well being. And the reason most likely was money….Crystal & Marie wanted to cash in big time….they had HaleighBug off the ground in weeks, and wanted “donations to support the family” more than they cared about Haleigh & Jr. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
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Actually Ron did a good enough job on his own making himslef look bad, and TN and Misty didn’t hurt either LOL. I guess you are overlooking the fact that Ron had an acct set up by Jamie Watts for donations ASAP, for so called “living expenses”, well we already knew he was behind in rent, so wonder what living expenses he needed. Oh, nevermind I forgot he needed his drugs, alcohol and ciggies.

Also, Ron started the trashing with I’m the better parent BS in the first interviews, well we all know what happenend to the kids under his care, one got “stoled” and the other was being picked up from childcare by their drugged out thug dad.

Personally I respect someone who would rather travel to a job and earn a living than someone who sits at home, living off the government with the excuse that they would have to drive too far to get to work.

If Crystal & Marie had been more concerned about finding Haleigh than trashing and telling lies about Ron, he would have kept his job, and wouldn’t have needed to sell drugs to make some cash, and none of this would have happened.

But for some reason, Crystal & Marie were more interested in making Ron look bad than they were in finding Haleigh, or in Jr’s well being. And the reason most likely was money….Crystal & Marie wanted to cash in big time….they had HaleighBug off the ground in weeks, and wanted “donations to support the family” more than they cared about Haleigh & Jr. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

Here is her twitter link, that has all her “ladies” she follows/follwers listed. Odd group as these are the big time conspiracy theorist and have even called in fake tips. How pathetically sad is that?

http://twitter.com/HaLeighsMyHeart

AKA Name WhoWants2Know?

I always wondered about that episode where Ron and Misty were driving around Amber’s grandmother’s apartment building. I think it was in April or May. The report was that they had Jr., accompanied by some unidentified guy, go up to the grandmother’s apartment and ask for Jordyn.

I’ve thought that they did intend to take Jordyn and that their plan was to “force” someone to “give HaLeigh back.”

Yes, there are details to be ironed out but there could well be a connection there.

There are a number of ways it could have gone but it could have been them who got HaLeigh to, let’s say, Chad, and Chad was gone until 5 am because he drove her wherever.

They could have taken HaLeigh when she was asleep. But HaLeigh knew them, I would think, so she wouldn’t be afraid if she was awake or if she woke up.

Misty doesn’t want to hurt Nay Nay which is why she’s never said anything and Amber is the one they sort of care about. There was that cat fight between during the “3 day drug binge” and there was that stuff on the internet, MySpace, I think, about how Misty at one point said that she was going to get Amber’s child as well. And Amber still wanted Ronald, I assume…

I have a lot more to say about this but I am going to go ahead and post it. You all will probably be able to talk about a lot of the things I am thinking, anyhow.

http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a

just thought I’d post that PCSO said Ron/Crystal are not considered a suspect and more than likely it is non stranger abduction.

I don’t know what Teresa’s job has to do with Haleigh being gone and who cares how far she drove to work, it has no bearing on this case.

B*A - I hope you are feeling better! TAKE CARE!

Tuff - I agree….something is holding these people and their stories together. I know why Misty will lie for Ron…that is obvious…but something else…past crimes perhaps…is binding them together and whatever they are hiding has to be much worse than what they are already facing or they would have already squealed. They seem to be covering for each other….or wildly pointing the finger at others with no supporting evidence….like they say when you point your finger at someone, there are three more fingers pointing back at you! I keep coming back to all of Misty’s conflicting stories. Heck, she has even contradicted herself since being behind bars…she doesn’t care about Ron or his new girlfriend to he and Misty were getting back together and he is “THE ONE”….to “I don’t know nothing” and “Have nothing to tell anyone” to “What I have to say will hurt two people”. This girl’s story changes daily. That makes it obvious she is lying. Add that to Ron’s bizarre behavior and obvious gift for manipulation as well as Tommy’s gift for all things criminal and these three are the ones I suspect the most!

BBL folks! Great discussion!

Someone could have thought it would have stopped the payments. And there are a lot of years to go until the child is too old to have to pay cs for. Also, maybe there was a plan in place to get the debt paid. For example, was the “generous donor” and everyone she knows thoroughly investigated? I doubt it.
Anyway, that’s not enough for me to rule out this possibility. Children have been taken for a lot less in custody situations.

How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.
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I totally agree, she would still owe the debt, so to me it’s a non-issue. Also wanted to state that everyone that thinks she was a shitty mom because she didn’t get Haleigh to her appts needs to remember that during that time period she lived with Ron, and he should have been just as responsible as she was. Also, what others see as laziness in Crystal I am starting to believe is depression. I think she could have been very depressed after the birth of the childen which makes it very hard for someone to get out of bed when it’s severe enough, then top that off with trying to obtain custody and losing and most moms would have suffered severe if not criplling depression . JMO

Got to go rest… see ya later! Have a great day!

How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.

Buddy @ 11:39 - Again, I ask, what is your point about the job????? How does your point relate to the case?
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Waitingfor good news at 11:39 am
“m2c… Yes Jr. was at a daycare, but he it not safe when he gets picked up and the adults are so high.” Yes. No question. I mentioned that Jr was at daycare that only because someone had said R should have been home taking care of Jr. I was just pointing out that Jr was not at home. And I agree with you about T and Lindsy. In later statements it’s clear she knew he was hooked on these drugs.
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Michelle @ 11:44 - It IS hard to understand others’ motives. What on earth could they have been thinking? Did they even HAVE a plan for later on? Like the case last year of a little boy kept in a secret room by his mother and grandmother to keep him away from his father!
What did THEY think was going to happen eventually? I sure don’t know. But they hid that boy anyway.
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However, I lean more toward Misty and Ronald being involved, either directly or indirectly.

I do not think Ronald did anything directly to Haleigh. I think Misty may or may not have done anything directly.

I believe Misty has not told LE everything about that night. Either she knows what happened, or she was not there when it happened, imo.

We all know that children have been taken from their beds while other family members slept. And in many of those cases, family members were considered suspect, in some to the point of LE not bothering with any other scenario.

That said, I do not know of any case where a child was abducted from the same room where a parent was sleeping. Elizabeth Smart was taken from a room where here little sister slept. Polly Klaas was taken from her room with some of her friends there on a sleep-over. But those friends saw the perp and went immediately to her parents to report what happened.

I will not say it was impossible for Haleigh to have been taken from a bed three feet from a sleeping Misty, but I do not see it is likely. Two kids sleeping in the room, plus an adult, seems to me someone would have been awakened. The only way I see this is the scenario is if the kids were alone. Someone came in and took Haleigh and didn’t have to worry if Jr. woke up or not; he could not ID them and he may have been viewed as too young to describe what he saw accurately.

So, Misty was home and knows what happened, or she was not home when it happened. It is possible what Misty has not been honest about is that she left the kids alone. Also possible is that someone came in, maybe Tommy/Joe or both, and Misty is covering. Or, Haleigh died accidentally and they came to help Misty cover up.

The only problem I have with it being Tommy, Joe, or Misty, is this: Ronald would have found out. T, J, or M do not have a combined IQ anywhere near what it would take to have done the deed without a trace, and then keep quiet. They do alcohol and drugs; one of them would have let something slip, somewhere, to someone. Ronald has connections; he WOULD have found out if any of the three were involved in any way, and he would have acted accordingly.

That said, if it was M, T, or J, or any combination of, it somehow involves Ronald. Indirectly, probably, but it involves him somehow. To rat on them would put him in the limelight also.

That leave me thinking accidental death, likely by ingesting a drug. And the drug was Ron’s, or they told him it was. They staged the scene before he got home and he had no choice but to go along with it.

The reason I suspect Cummings/Croslin more than Sheffield/Griffis, is the behavior of Ron and Misty in the days and weeks after Haleigh went missing. The wedding. Laughing it up at amusement parks. Cavorting all over the place and spending money like it was going out of style. And one more thing, which I find very telling is:

Ronald Cummings would give no information on his personal life. He would always say questions about that were irrelevant and just took the focus off Haleigh.

Think back to Scott Peterson. When asked about his personal life, he said exactly the same thing. It was irrelevant and only took the focus off Laci.

If my child had been kidnapped, my personal life would be an open book. I would not care how many sins it revealed. I would want LE to know anything and everything about me, my acquaintances, my family members, EVERYTHING. And I can tell you right now, if my child had been kidnapped I would not have been cavorting around, laughing and having a good old time. If my child was missing without a trace, I doubt I would ever smile again.

Buddy, do you even know what Teresa did at ASCO? I seriously doubt they pay their employees a little over 5 an hour and it’s a county job not state.
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Oh, some make more than that.. 12.50 for a deputy Sheriff with a bachelors degree.

Deputy Sheriff: High School/GED $33,362 Associate Degree $34,862 Bachelors Degree $36,362

Field Service Technician: $25,000
Criminal Justice Technician I: $21,852

I doubt TN qualified for the top paying jobs though.

I just posted about my thoughts on CS/family being the perps. I will soon post my thoughts on possible Misty/Ronald involvement.

Buddy, do you even know what Teresa did at ASCO? I seriously doubt they pay their employees a little over 5 an hour and it’s a county job not state.

I still believe stranger abduction could be the answer. In cases like that sometimes the “stranger” targets a child, gets to know habits/schedules of the family, etc., then watches and waits.

The stranger could have known Ronald worked nights and Misty was his regular babysitter during those nights. The stranger might have known, by watching for a while, that Misty sometimes left the MH during her babysitting shifts, perhaps leaving a door unlocked when she left.

If Haleigh was taken by someone she knew, or taken and then delivered by someone she knew, how would she ever resurface at any point? She was 5 years old and that is old enough to name names of people she knew.

Even if Haleigh was kidnapped for her own welfare by or on behalf of her mother’s family, that would mean Crystal would not be able to visit her, ever. Nor Marie, Johnny, Jr., or anyone Haleigh knew. Because as soon as she resurfaced, she could be questioned and would be able name anyone she knew that she had seen while she was kept in hiding.

The only way this could have been done by the bio-mom or her family would be if they hired someone Haleigh did not know, and then placed Haleigh with someone she did not know, with the plan being for Haleigh to reappear unharmed in a public place fairly soon after being taken. But then the case got so much publicity that Haleigh’s reappearance could not happen as planned.

Either of these scenarios is possible, imo.

I have more to say but I know how long posts are hated so I will continue in another post.

(please forgive typos)

m2c,

Thanks for the info.

So Misty is the only one that failed? How many has Misty taken like 5
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who said she failed the 3 LDT that LE gave? LE hasn’t said who passed or failed.

JB, I had a hard time with the Sheffield/Griffis idea as well for a long time. When you say that they didn’t seem that interested in the kids before, I kind of saw it that way, too, especially when you say that non of them showed THAT much interest in the kids before. I can’t stand NG right now but I did like it when she asked Crystal what time HaLeigh got out of school and Crystal had no idea. Anyhow, TH’s answer was that the motivation was the back child support. He claims that Crystal owed over $11,000 and was likely going to jail about it. (And I think I’ve seen that in other credible places as well, in connection with when that woman from Texas paid it off and thought it was less when she first agreed).

My thought is that MG was “trying to get Crystal off the couch” (sorry, but I think that’s funny) in a number of ways. My impression is that MG had it all planned out that Crystal would marry Chad and they would be this happy little family with their five children. (How old are Chase and Morgan, anyhow?) Not that the HaLeigh kidnapping was to create the happy family, but it was to keep Crystal out of jail.

If it were that Haleigh were taken by someone that she and or the family knew by name I would think that something, anything would have leaked out by now. Even something like a simple phone call made or a letter mailed out or just speaking to known associates could be a tip off. If it were the case that Haleigh were taken away by someone known and/or close to the family etc… there would have to be some type of contact being made by someone in the family to that person or persons I would think. Also I am not buying that Haleigh was taken but not JR. If it were so imperative that the Children be stolen away from R then why leave Jr. behind in such a situation? Whomever had taken Haleigh had no fear of breaking in, taking the time to “brick” the door, turn the light on and possibly managed to take the time to change Haleigh’s shirt to either something less dirty or one of the shirts that GGma alleges that she brought to the mobile home that evening.

That whole scenario just doesn’t seem likely for me.
I would love for that to be the case because if that were true then Haleigh would most likely be in a safe place. That theory is the one that we all most hope for. I read the arguments (arguments are not fights.) in favor of that scenario but so far it is still the less likely one imvho.

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Address: ******* NE 6th Terr. , Gainesville, FL 32609

But when TH emailed with such a clear answer (for once), I think I swallowed too much of his theory. What I have wanted to believe, prior to that, is that the PSCO has every intention of implicating the Sheffield/Griffis if, in fact, it is them.

I’ve been hoping that Misty is the key because she was actually an eyewitness. I’m hoping that she hasn’t been talking about who she saw because she knows that the maternal family can be difficult and that Ronald will have a much better relationship with HaLeigh’s maternal family if she just keeps quiet.

So eager to hear what you all think about that idea!

*And a question* is Chad getting questioned again recently? I thought I saw that on here?

Also, Lindsey knew Tommy has messed up when he passed out at the bus stop. She is just as guilty. Did he ever get in trouble for that, how can the children not be removed. I guess when something terrible happens is when DCF really get involed. I hope they just don’t wait too late.

BC/BS Health
Employee Only $54.54/month
Employee + 1 Dependent $260.58/month

Supplemental Life Insurance: $0.26 per $1,000 per month, 100% employee paid.

Dental HMO (DHMO): Prepaid type plan
Employee Only $2.62/month
Employee + 1 Dependent $12.10/month

Vision Care Vision Plan: 100% employee paid (payroll deductible)
Employee Only $5.76/month
Employee + 1 Dependent $11.50/month

Flexible Spending: Medical Care and Dependent (Day) Care Reimbursement minimum $240.00/per plan year.
Biweekly pre-tax premiums are deducted from 24 pay periods.

You can get low income BC/BS insurance in Florida with lower deductible, lower co-pay and better prescription coverage than what they have for 98.00 a month.

She is paying 300.00 a month at least in gas.

I was also thinking about how CS and KP were attempting, at great lengths it so appears, to get custody of Jr.
How far would you go to try to put your Child in a safe place under the circumstances? Especially after finding out your Daughter is missing and that the ones entrusted to watch her were drugged out on a binge the three days prior to her disappearance etc etc etc….?
The issue as I saw it is that although C had concern for her son’s safety she herself appeared to be in no shape to be doing any suchathing at that time as she had her own level of issues to account for.
At this time I have not a doubt in my mind that DCF would yank Jr. and little Chloe away from C in a hot second if she were unable to follow their specific guidelines and requirements especially after she had allegedly failed a drug test.

This is a high profile case and all of these people are walking a fine line. There is not much any of them can do right now that won’t be and/or hasn’t been reported to the media.

(** people I know in real life not just on the web)

It just does not make sense to spend 11 hours to make 29 dollars.