I’d expect any attorney to have his client clam up and only “speak” through them….just the best way to go
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ITA!

While lawyers can be present in police interviews, they are not allowed to clarify things etc….they are only allowed to advise their client.

Misty has spoken to LE for 30 hours already and LE are still hounding her. She has nothing to gain by talking to them anymore. If Misty is charged, she will have to tell her story to a jury one day….they are the ones that will determine her fate, not LE…obviously talking to LE is not going to change that and she has nothing to gain by talking to them anymore. In any event, LE rarely get the opportunity to interview persons of interest multiple times, let alone for 30 hours. To do that with an illiterate 17 year old and not be in a position to charge her with anything a full year later, even though they claim to have invested 10000 police hours in it tells me something….they are barking up the wrong tree.

So true. And smart clients, innocent or guilty, follow their lawyer’s advice.

I’d expect any attorney to have his client clam up and only “speak” through them….just the best way to go..as per Misty not telling what she knows, if she indeed does know more, that is something that the attorney & prosecutor will work out to Misty’s best advantage. Once an agreement is made, if there is one to be made, they will check out the information to verify, then the deal goes through. Talking to anyone but her attorney is suicide.

Does anyone know why LE had a “presence” at PDM right after Haleigh’s disappearance? Does anyone know the specific nature of LE’s presence? Please let me know. TIA
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It wasn’t right after Haleigh went missing it was the day after they let Ron go and I guess they wanted to make sure he didn’t cause a scene at the job…that’s if it’s true. I have no idea if it was or not since it was put out as a rumor.

“I do not want this to end with Ronald being involved. I hope and pray that he is proven innocent beyond ALL doubt, not because I care one bit about him, but because I look at photos of Ron and Haleigh and one thing is clear to me: Haleigh loved her daddy.”

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You’ve said it. There’s facts, and then there’s truth. Sometimes we have to see the truth before the facts add up.

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“could” was supposed to be “couldn’t”

As for Ron, I do not think he hurt Haleigh, at least not intentionally. He gives me the creeps, to be honest, but I really try not to let my opinion of him as a person be the judge of his guilt or innocence.

I do not want this to end with Ronald being involved. I hope and pray that he is proven innocent beyond ALL doubt, not because I care one bit about him, but because I look at photos of Ron and Haleigh and one thing is clear to me: Haleigh loved her daddy.

It turned out that he had in fact left for a while without anyone missing him.

Just throwing this out there because it is possible in situations with lots of people around, especially situations where all are moving around and busy doing things, for one to leave and return without anyone noticing they were gone.

One other thing that blows my mind is that Ron truly believed that he would be allowed to wear that gold chain necklace while incarcerated. Apparently that necklace has a sentimental value of some degree for him, that’s obvious.
I have never heard of anyone being allowed to wear any type of jewelry while being held behind bars locked up. What made Ron think it would be ok for him to have, possess and/or wear that gold necklace while in jail?

On the other hand, I too, got a little shiver down my spine a la monster anthony when M said something in one video-call. Something about “I think about it every day…etc.” EEK!

looking for justice, I know it’s frustrating but we do not know enough about anything to be able to rule anything out for sure. So for the time being maybe you could set that issue aside OR go with (a) R was at work the whole time and what theory of the case do you develop from that AND (b) R was not at work the whole time and what theory do you develop from that?

Frankly, I have thought about him leaving and even if he did I do not see what he could have done in that time that makes any sense at all -not as far as Haleigh’s disappearance goes.

From where I sit, a whole lot of things are explained if you presume that he really was at work the whole time.

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I should have added, then you can see how those things could be explained either way. It makes it easier to see.

LE had arrested and charged monster and was developing the case against her. That information or “discovery” is available to the media per the Sunshine Law. And the info on monster’s lack of employment was part of that.

In this case no one has been charged and there is no case being prosecuted so there is no “discovery” to be “released” or otherwise made available to the media/public.

Also, I thought LE spokesperson (or whoever) Schauland already said when R got to work that day. Vaquera posted that info here the other day. Schauland said it (or was shown saying it) on a TV show but I can’t remember which one. We can ask Vaquera again.

And some people don’t even trust what LE DOES say! I can sort of understand that because LE could tell the public one thing (not the truth) in order to further the investigation by misleading someone or whatever their strategy might be. So I can’t account for why LE does “verify” or “release” some info and not other info. Only they know, I guess.

PAW69, the girl was only 17 years old and uneducated. She is living on the margin of society. She is in love with a man and watching his children when something happens on her watch. There were probably drugs in the house. Who is going to be her protector? Regardless of whether or not someone put a gun in her face that night, the result would still be the same.

THE RESULT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.

Just my opinion.

I would not be surprised if it does turn out that Ron was at work all night and even that he passed an LDT.

We can completely discount the importance of the LDT. It really is irrelevant.

Of course it may be that Ronald found a way to come home in the middle of his shift and then go back. This is a question that will need to be answered, but I would put it in the “loose ends” category.

From where I sit, a whole lot of things are explained if you presume that he really was at work the whole time.

Just my opinion.

That’s standard practice for attorneys. Not strange at all.

I think it’s because he was at work that night, and he did pass the LDT, and because in the recent jail tapes I saw on NG the other night, he is still upset (crying) and wanting to know where his daughter is. Putting all that together shows to me that he really is innocent.

Now, you look at Tommy and Misty, those 2 show very differently when it comes to Haleigh.

i think lisa told misty that lindsay was waiting for tom’s w-2 to file their income taxes. and also tommy and lindsay discussed that tom’s employer did not have their new (correct) address to mail his w-2 to tommy.

looking for justice, ty for the information. i answered your message when/if you have time.

everyone have a super day

Ron passed the LDT, Misty failed it (numerous times), and oddly Crystal’s LDT had to be sent to Washington (which I might add, doesn’t make sense at all). But then again, what does make sense in this case? Did Tommy ever take the LDT, or is that still a mystery too?

Either they are fully satisfied and feel no need to make it public at this time, Or, His air tight alibi went out the window and it’s being investigated still. Or, they just don’t want to release anything at all no matter what. I’m sure they didn’t want all these jail tapes released either. But when it comes to the jails, their hands are tied.

LE said the investigations were separate. However the detectives investigating Haleigh’s disappearance were notified a couple days before it went down (so they say). So there definitely was time to STOP IT if it did not assist - in fact if it would have interfered in - Haleigh’s case. A missing child definitely trumps a few penny ante dope dealers. So, yes. The whole drug thing is in aid of finding out what happened to Haleigh.
(Or LE hopes so anyway).

Very likely PDM’s legal department would advise them to take a conservative approach like this for probably more reasons than I know of. But one possible reason is that LE has asked them to keep it to themselves as this is an on-going investigation. Another reason is for PDM to avoid any liability (which can mean giving someone reason to sue them).
For example, say PDM releases R’s work hours and some member of the public works out a theory based on that, that puts R in a bad light. R could sue for defamation and blame PDM (the big money pockets) too.

For example, in the monster Anthony case. Universal replied to LE’s inquiries regarding monster’s “employment” there in a very formal way and directly TO LE. I do not believe Universal ever responded to any inquiries from the public or media. And I do not think they would have before it became public in a different way - or maybe ever.

The difference in that case is of course that it is being litigated so that info is being released under the Sunshine Law. And right now that law does not apply to Haleigh’s case.

1 thing I have noticed, Misty is the only one who doesn’t want to talk about Haleigh. When she does, it’s short and sweet then a subject change. To me, Tommy freaks out when Haleigh is brought up.

Something tells me this whole drug thing was only used to lure Tommy and Misty in. I seriously wonder if the rest of them were only involved so that Misty and Tommy would actually go along with selling these pills. I have a feeling that once Tommy and Misty confess or slip up (which ever comes first), That’s when the rest of them will get out of jail.

Tommy and Misty just need to come forward.

JMO

Is it just me? Does it appear to anyone else that it seems to bother Daddy Croslin more that his son is in jail than it does that Misty is in jail? Why now does it seem that Daddy Croslin is so broke and had to find another place to live? Does his son being in jail effect his income that much? Hmmm.
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I think you’ve got something there… I noticed how Misty perked-up in her seat, the minute she caught site of daddy. I’m thinking that Hank “magic man”, is trying his best, to lure something out of here…. did it seem as though H was not feeling any concern when M tells him about the newspaper outing him for talking to LE investigators.

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I thought the same thing. He is trying to get info out of Misty or make her slip up. Even in past conversations he told her to stop lying. Maybe he is working with LE or LP.

After the public outcry about bailing out anyone, LP found something else he could do.
Give the Srs a way to get to and from the jail in order to get more recorded visits, to encourage them to encourage M to tell the truth, and maybe to get Hank Sr or Lisa to tell him stuff that he can then go on NG and blather about.

And, of course, we all know what kind of “priorities” the Croslins have. (Back***wards IMO).

Maybe the Sr Croslin’s new abode comes with a TV or maybe there’s one in the lobby (if there’s a lobby). And they are so “well-known” now maybe other people let them watch their TVs.

Good question on how is the new rent being paid. Would Sr’s unemployment cover that with any left over to buy food (for themselves, of course, not the gkids)?

Money is coming from somewhere….do they have donation jars too?

LP bought the Croslins a new car…and he can read (?) and has a driver’s license?
Who’s paying the insurance on this car?

Dude Sr (with shades) has no job…all seem to be living off everyone else’s money. Especially waiting for Tax money to come in for their bonds.
Tommy doesn’t care if his wife or children even have food money as long as he get bond
money for himself. What a nice family man he is!!! NOT

Misty wants out so she can move to Mass. with the family……FLIGHT RISK HERE???
Timmy is living there so if they all move there….GOD HELP MASS. THE CROSLINS ARE COMING.

That will be miles down the road because I these people are in for the long haul.

But unemployment and disability run out after a while, don’t they?

I suppose people from other countries can manage because some of the road signs use international symbols but still so many of our road signs are wordy I don’t know how a non-English speaker can manage it never mind an illiterate. Except that I’ve heard that illiterates find ways to figure things out and sort of fake it and squeak by.

I think that’s very likely because Sr and his wife had been living with and sponging off of T and Lindsy. Unfortunately, L continued to let them stay after T was locked up and it was only after her father(?) or grandfather(?) gave her another place to stay with the kids that she moved. Obviously the condition was that Sr and Mrs munster NOT go along.

What has me puzzled is where was ANY income coming from in that household? Hank Sr and Lisa were not employed. T was not employed. Even if Lindsy had a job - then was she the sole support? And if so then why all of a sudden couldn’t she afford to live in the MH anymore and had to move???? So that’s a good question. Did T have an “income” that we did not know about? Or, did Lindsy use her brains and take the first chance she got to get rid of Sr and Lisa?

You have a point about Hank, Sr. He mentions over and over that Lindsay is moving, and they won’t have a place to live or a car to drive. He has got to get out there and find some work. If he is able to work now, why couldn’t he work before?

Is it just me? Does it appear to anyone else that it seems to bother Daddy Croslin more that his son is in jail than it does that Misty is in jail? Why now does it seem that Daddy Croslin is so broke and had to find another place to live? Does his son being in jail effect his income that much? Hmmm.
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I think you’ve got something there… I noticed how Misty perked-up in her seat, the minute she caught site of daddy. I’m thinking that Hank “magic man”, is trying his best, to lure something out of here…. did it seem as though H was not feeling any concern when M tells him about the newspaper outing him for talking to LE investigators.

Misty needs to get real. It may be that regardless of the outcome of any trial, this girl may only have the option of leaving prison in a box. There is a strong possibility that she will be spending quite a lot of however much time she has left in this world fooling with her hair. I think she may tire of the pasttime.

But from what we know, as things stand now, Ronald could eventually go free. If she had spilled her guts before she turned eighteen there would have been a much better chance of an equitable distribution of the punishment. If she talks now, it may be a little more fair in regards to her vs. Ronald, but it still may not be truly equitable, because if I am right he deserves a lot more than she does.

Everyone has spent a lot of time considering the backgrounds of these people and “where they are coming from”, and everything that might be mitigating factors in appraising their behaviors. I think the time for that is over. As much as one would like to excuse someone as young as Misty, it is time to get down to brass tacks.

Realistically, one must see that this girl has had so many chances to do the right thing, that sympathy is probably wasted on her; and the sooner she realizes that she is going to sit there alone and forgotten except as that rotten punk kid who wouldn’t tell what she knew (or did), the better.

Even a 14-year old ought to be able to understand that if you know what happened to a 5-year old you have to tell, regardless of the consequences.

The reality is that people are losing sympathy. With every day that passes where she remains silent, she is just digging a deeper hole for herself.

Just my opinion.

I totally agree.

I soooo agree re them setting Misty up….I think they did the same to Ron with the nasty comments he made about his fellow inmates. Don’t the authorities owe the inmates a duty of care? One or both of them could wind up seriously bashed or worse.

I think that the way the tape is flowing, gives LE another reason to keep Misty segregated, even tho she wants out. They can continue playing the safety “card” in order to wear her down.

Even the first time I heard it I felt it could be a problem that she said “the bitches in here” about her hair. It was the tone in her voice, and made me think if they heard the tone as I heard it, they might not be happy.

Or are you saying you feel the remark should have been redacted as well?