Here we go again.

What was that about Donna taking Misty to the dentist. I think she said she had a tooth pulled? Awhile back I had a dentist try to push Percodan on me and I told him I didn’t need it. In retrospect seems like maybe the big thing was getting that prescription written. I never really thought about it until the other day when I was reading some of these posts.

alethea @ 11:02 – Good points! It makes me wonder if DB already had a “connection” for the illegal Rx.

I think the first huge clue that something was very very wrong about DB was the road rage incident. What “adult” would drive like she did (or is accused of doing)? But at the time it was labelled “Misty’s Road Rage” incident. Well, M wasn’t driving. A supposed adult was. I don’t know if that whole incident was set-up by DB or a spur of the moment thing but it makes no sense at all. In fact it shows what utter lack of sense DB has.

m2c♥ said,in February 1st, 2010 at 11:06 am JUSTONE – Can’t the same be said of the “other side?” Every time I see this kind of attack on the Cummings’, I have to wonder how anyone can be so blinded to the flaws of the bio-mom’s side. How do you manage that?

Personally I hope the families can come together at the vigil because it’s FOR HALEIGH FGS! This one night can’t it be ABOUT HER??????

We do not know what happened to her and until we do, she’s the most important person and the one people should be thinking about and looking for (IMO).
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Actually IF she had “disappeared” on the other side’s watch and IF Crystal had been thrown in jail on drug trafficking charges and IF Crystal had drug arrest dating back to 2002 on GHB, Opium, cocaine, meth, pot, heroin, et al I would feel the same way, but that is not the case. Marie has an arrest yrs back and that’s it, hell even GGMS has a record for child custodial interference. Frankly if they’d have quit enabling Ron when he first got caught 8 yrs ago maybe HaLeigh would still be here. I know Crystal isn’t perfect, but compared to Ron she’s a diamond vs a lump of coal. She owned up to the judge about her shortcomings and he flat out lied under oath, he’s a bully to people who are weaker mentally but I think he’s about to reap what he’s being sowing all these years and I pray to God it wakes him up although I have my doubt….sociopaths tend to blame everyone but themselves and justify every action even when illegal, immoral etc.

You’re right is is about HaLeigh, and since the Cummings side of the family let her live in that trailer with an drug dealing dad and drug whore babysitter then I hold the entire family accountable and wouldn’t want to be anywhere near the one’s responsible for my baby girl’s demise.

JUSTONE, I guess you’re lucky to have made up your mind, excused the little we know that’s negative about the one side and judged everyone so decisively. I expect you’ve got the rope handy?

I don’t know who’s responsible or if Haleigh is alive or not. My “pie” needs a good helping of evidence before it will set.

JUSTONE: And I guess the mom of a missing girl should get engaged to a crack-pipe smoking felon and lay about doing nothing (except probably drugs) herself. Lucky girl she probably didn’t have to buy her drugs herself. Wonder how she “paid” for them?

See, what I’m getting at. I don’t want to say things like that. But tarring one side of the family without recognizing the reality of the other side is just wrong. There is no point whatsoever in going on like this! Neither one is a fit parent. The kids are extremely unlucky.

I can only hope LE finds out -for sure- what happened to Haleigh.

protectkidz: I don’t want anyone to ignore the criminal activity that we know about – that LE has bothered to uncover. There seems to have been some on the other side that as far as I know has never been investigated (like where Chad and C got their drugs? Lucky they weren’t targeted and caught, aren’t they?)

So I’m not saying to ignore anything. But to recognize ALL of it AND the fact that we don’t know everything yet. AND the fact that Haleigh should be the focus. That’s all I’m saying.

The topic is Donna Brock, so why the same old tired posts m2c? Boring to repeat yourself over and over again, and Off Topic to post essays about your opinion of people that are not associated with DB.

The choices we make as parents are the choices most-likely our children will make. However, as our children are being influenced by thier peers – they weigh that with the ‘foundation’ we established for them – and make thier own choices.

Now having said that, we parents can ‘enable’ our children to make bad choices/decisions – by allowing drugs, thieving – stealing from the family coffers and harboring the unemployed no-good-suminabeech…

Jason, If DB hubby was Navy it would not be hard to find out who she is.She would also have military ID so they have access to all on base pharmacies and the comessary(SPELL) Its like a military walmart for want of a better discription. Didnt TJ mention something on one of the shows about a military base during the Doctor shopping thing?moo

interesting about the Nebbia hearing.

Does this mean that Donna’s bail has been posted?

(sorry if this is a stupid question).

And if there’s anything involving a military base? That would definitely make for leverage!

does anyone else get the impression that DB’s hubby is younger than her?

or maybe she just LOOKS older.

“as far as I know I think Crystal is a stay at home mother that helps with the Hay business,”

LOL…I like that one JUSTONE. I bet she handles the “watch it grow” part of the business. It probably only took her a couple of months how to learn to do that.

m2c here’s the deal, Ron was responsible for HaLeigh. He failed miserably at that. For the first time in his life he now has to face up to his failures…..Drug dealing, total failure, looking at years of prison time for a monetary gain of what….$17.56? Misty….total failure, better g/f’s can be found wedged between bar stools at closing time in any honky tonk bar….opps…I forgot…he doesn’t go where women are he likes them young. The worse failure of all, he didn’t have his daughter in a secure environment. Then he proceeded to romp around town with “Miss I’llbanganythingforahit”, intimidating managers at Chili’s, going to carnivals, mud-bogging, looting donation jars, getting married to the person that didn’t watch his child, divorcing her, then dating a stripper, then back to party girl pushing pills for not enough money to pay for a lap dance. Yeah he did all that while everyone else looked for his daughter. If he didn’t want to look for his daughter, he could have at least looked for a job. Sorry m2c but there’s no sympathy left for Ron.

the same order was added to Misty’s case record on the same date.

I haven’t had a chance to listen yet….I can’t wait to hear…going now…

It seems that each passing day without “word on Haleigh”, it get more & more vicious….

WIll we ever know the truth?

DB will very likely be found dirty….I only hope she doesn’t take a lot of unknowing people down with her. Whatever TM has or hasn’t done, it’s kind of sad that all of the organization, including volunteers, are now lumped in. My very brief experience with NPOs tells me DB WAS an employee. The board wouldn’t have to vote on a volunteer. There’s more to this story. SHe probably used the traveling with TES to run her “drug empire”. All those out of state/ out of town prescriptions…..

Cooter, I’m sorry but I can’t respond to your post. Apparently it’s okay with Jason for people to post such OT comments here but he doesn’t want me to respond because it’s not ON TOPIC – meaning about Donna Brock. Have to catch you on another article! lol!

Levis show was very thought provoking. I can see somethings alot clearer now. Remember when you listen to the people on the show that they were there, it makes their incites even more credible for me. And the emark about Horaldo, I always wondered why he got so rattled,and Gretta Vansustern bailed after just a short while I always wondered why she didnt stick with it longer, maybe she saw what was going on and wanted to distance herself? I also heard a part of the tape I didnt previously hear about the tatoo. Did any one else notice that? moo

I think she was formally terminated by TES because of the road rage incident.

The fallout was horrible for TES.

I would bet that TES felt the need to do this formally and even publicly to avoid any legal probelms and bad publicity – which makes sense.

The woman turned out to be a crazy loose cannon.

Right and he mother is not responsible at all for what happened to her?

TN has a job.

Crystal could (and should)have been charged with felony child endangerment when she crashed the car with Chloe inside it while on drugs AND she should have been on probation for giving birth to a child that was born with illegal drugs in her system.

Then, maybe Junior would be in a safe place wherever he went, even with her because she would have had to straighten up her act.

Where I come from mom is just as responsible as dad. You do not wait till your kids is missing or dead to take action and then do it just because the media is making you look bad.
Nobody made her look bad. She did it herself everytime she opened her mouth and said
“I have NO IDEA” when it came to her daughter.
then said it was the fathers fault she had no idea. I read what Kim Picazio wrote and it seems it is Crystal’s own fault she had no idea. I pray she does not put Jr in that car with that baby and kill them both. I really do.

I also dont believe she is an employee because she has no skills to do any paid job for the company. She was just an over zealous drug addicted voenteer that wanted to insert herself into a case. She probably got the idea after the search for Calee.moo

cooter, As much as I tend to agree with much of what you say, justone is right. If you want to state your opinions on the cummings side of the family, go over to the radio wrap up sight. Like I said, I agree with some of your feelings, but I must add that with Ron in jail, He isn’t out using and selling drugs, sooo maybe there is a chance that he is thinking clearly enough to want a different life…. I think he deserves the chance to try, the same chance crystal is getting. Lets wait this one out. Everyone deserves a fresh start…even Ronald Cummings.

Lisa said,in February 1st, 2010 at 1:43 pm Right and he mother is not responsible at all for what happened to her?

TN has a job.

Crystal could (and should)have been charged with felony child endangerment when she crashed the car with Chloe inside it while on drugs AND she should have been on probation for giving birth to a child that was born with illegal drugs in her system.

Then, maybe Junior would be in a safe place wherever he went, even with her because she would have had to straighten up her act.

Where I come from mom is just as responsible as dad. You do not wait till your kids is missing or dead to take action and then do it just because the media is making you look bad.
Nobody made her look bad. She did it herself everytime she opened her mouth and said
“I have NO IDEA” when it came to her daughter.
then said it was the fathers fault she had no idea. I read what Kim Picazio wrote and it seems it is Crystal’s own fault she had no idea. I pray she does not put Jr in that car with that baby and kill them both. I reall
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LMAO~TN’s jon is suing people and she hasn’t worked in ages, she’s waiting on a settlement from the ins compnay now. As far as Crystal being charged with child endangerment, is there any proof it was NOT a seizure, hmmmmm NO!

I pray that they keep JR away from any of the Cummings unless it’s supervised as they are obviously enabling drug trafficking and whores!

When is his show on? I am very interested to listen in.

JUSTONE: C’s Dr had told her not to drive so yes it was deliberate, pre-meditated child-endangerment.

(Sorry, Jason. Just correcting a fact here)

methinks – because you’re not seeing “that” side only! lol!

m2c♥ said,in February 1st, 2010 at 2:00 pm JUSTONE: C’s Dr had told her not to drive so yes it was deliberate, pre-meditated child-endangerment.

(Sorry, Jason. Just correcting a fact here)
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At what date did he tell her not to drive vs when did she have the accident?

m2c,

Been a long time since the official topic, as posted by Simon or Jan, has been about Crystal or her family.

Current topics are about the 5 people incarcerated, and their acquaintances, friends, family.

Oh, so sorry, Jason. Didn’t realize you were in charge of what could be talked about and when on each article. (Why do the phrases “wanna be moderator” and “Policing the blog” come to mind?) LOL!

Do let me know when it switches back to DB.
ROFL

Also I hope someone informs them that jail is alot different than prison.moo

Changing the subject to Crystal is way off topic. Crystal has no connections to Donna Brock, correct?

methinks, that was not a jab at you at all nor did it have anything to do with Levi – another source of gossip if you ask me – which I don’t need or want. I’ll stick with TJ.

tobias said,in February 1st, 2010 at 2:03 pm Didnt you just say that Ron deserves a fresh start or am I wrong? Maybe after he serves his time for dealing drugs. But I dont think Junior is going to wait that long to grow up.
He is with his Mother because the court decided it that way and its not for us to decide.Thats why we have a court system in place.If she got even temp custody its what the judge decided what was in the best interest of the child. And we can argue about the decision until we turn blue in the face but it wont change it. moo
———Wow, now Iknow I need to tune in.

Spydee, Abetter question for you is would we have even heard about any of this after 2 or 3 weeks if Cobra and TES hadnt gone down there?
Probably not. Thats the shame in alot of the cases of missing children, there isnt enough media on certain cases and they are left cold.
When Hasanni Campbell disappeared I thought oh theyll solve this one quick but it has no media attention and is so cold its frozen, what a shame.moo

Oh yeah….Donna and her “drug empire”……..drives in from VA. to sell little over a hundred pills at 4 in the morning. Then Misty says they can do it again in three months…yep…that’s quite an “empire”…lol

But most of the buys were done no wheres near Donna.Tropic Street, BiLo gas station,as far aswe know Donna had just one huge sell and then the rest was done without her and from other locations with other parties selling to Misty Ron And the rest. moo

I bet that the begining of this started when Misty was robbed and the friend said they were buying drugs.Le started watching them from then on. This was going on way before in my opinion and it would have gone on for a long time still if they didnt get caught.moo

Yes Tobias, and I’ll bet some of the waiting part was for Misty to turn 18.

Yes I see your point and I am learning to ignore posts I dont agree with and just wont comment on the subject even when they ask.moo

BAcent , that was way up on the thread. I just kinda sat back and waited till they were done fighting. They can argue till they are blue in the face and it wont solve anything.imho

Cooter, I believe ot was said that they were compensated for finding the pills to sell to the UC. Kinda like commission lol. moo

I’ve ruled out the Sheffields, and feel LLM Papa (he posted her a few times months ago, and posted the ‘Welcome to the Jungle’ video), is on to the truth because he has connected with the people who know the real truth.

well, her hubby knows her. he has her pic on his myspace.

Hi, tobias! With DB’s reputation and current situation, who in their right mind would want to purposefully admit to knowing her?

I’d feel better about ruling out the Sheffields if they’d ever been investigated (beyond C’s LDT) but as far as I know they have not. LE has been going down pretty much one road since the beginning and I can only hope they have some real solid, valid reason for it that WILL uncover what happened to Haleigh.
Of course LE does not have to tell us everything but not knowing all they’ve done or why they’re on this road, I just still have to wonder and hope.

If LLM Papa has “connected with the people who know the real truth,” why doesn’t he report it to LE and or why doesn’t LE “connect” with the same so this can be done with??? Why the stupid video? I know. I know. It’s the old song, “macho, macho man.” I’m afraid that’s LLMPapa’s achilles heel. (Well, lots of guys’ to be fair.)

hOPE EVERYONE READ jANS POST ON HERE EARLIER IN THE DAY. bYE FOR NOW SEE YA ALL LATER.

You know what I thought was odd?,when Marie Griffis called LE and wanted their horse pasture dug up to prove that Haleigh wasn’t buried anywhere….why? strange…

Maybe it was because they had recently buried a horse and they were afraid fingers would start pointing at them!

I grow up in Putnam County and now work for the school system. You wouldn’t believe what I see everyday. A lot of these kids have no chance. Sad…….

alethea, yes that is true, but it seemed odd,almost like Misty wanting to “clear her name” by offering to take lie detector tests and voice analysis, and hypnosis. Hurry up nd clear me so I can go about my business without fear?

I caught part of Levi Page’s show last night and I think it was said that the new Layered Voice Analysis is not the same as a regular polygraph. She may have been coached to pass it and she may have been surprised and angry when she didn’t. Just an idea.

Is it just me, or is anyone else starting to feel their chest tightening and a bit of panic inside? I’m starting to wonder if these arrests will work to “scare the truth” out. It just seems to me that if it were going to happen, it would have already. I’m starting to get worried. Please someone, tell me I’m not the only one to feel this!

methinks: You’ve got company!

What if M or any of them don’t know any more than they’ve told? What if one of them is responsible and just won’t confess? What if LE is barking up the wrong tree (and has been for a year)? Call me a “worrier” but yes I am concerned.
Or, maybe the person just hasn’t hit rock bottom yet or gotten the deal they want yet?

methinks said,in February 1st, 2010 at 5:27 pm Is it just me, or is anyone else starting to feel their chest tightening and a bit of panic inside? I’m starting to wonder if these arrests will work to “scare the truth” out. It just seems to me that if it were going to happen, it would have already. I’m starting to get worried. Please someone, tell me I’m not the only one to feel
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No I feel this way too. But i feel they need to look in a diffent direction. jmo

Protectkidz: Just go to the web addy below (yes, all 3 lines are the addy) to see it on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwwfM0Sk-vU&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwwfM0Sk-vU&feature=player_embedded

AnneinTN – Yes. And I just would feel more confident if LE had looked in any other direction LONG AGO!
But this has been pretty much “it” since the “by the book” first 24 hour investigation as far as I can see.
I’m still hoping, though!

m2c♥ said,in February 1st, 2010 at 5:37 pm AnneinTN – Yes. And I just would feel more confident if LE had looked in any other direction LONG AGO!
But this has been pretty much “it” since the “by the book” first 24 hour investigation as far as I can see.
I’m still hoping, though!
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They will look but its took a year for them to look in other direction. I agree.

methinks said,in February 1st, 2010 at 5:42 pm m2c♥ said,in February 1st, 2010 at 5:37 pm
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I know how you both feel here but we cant give up hope and faith. I feel the truth is gona come out soon imo.

After living with all those people in the Croslin MH , Misty may be enjoying the solitude and room of her own. N Grace should be interesting even though I may have to use the mute every now and then. moo bbl

m2c, thanks for the youtube addy.

methinks: well, of COURSE it is!

protectkidz said,in February 1st, 2010 at 5:55 pm
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after i watched that video…makes me fear for Ron in that jail..or this was how i looked at it imo.

AnneInTn: I was actually quoting TJ (I’m pretty sure) from the BNN radio show when I said PCSO did it by the book then.
And of course it’s very likely true but I don’t know PCSO well enough to know for sure that it does not mean they missed something or misinterpreted something. Gosh knows it’s happened plenty of times before with other LE.

LE determined their prime suspect the day Haleigh was reported missing. They are now tryng to find evidence to support their theory-half as*ed backwards. LE does things that continue to puzzle me, not because they “know something I dont”, but because they are STUPID. Baby Gabriel Johnson’s mother TOLD the father that she KILLED the boy and threw him away in a trash dumpster. The father has text messages to that effect that he turned over to LE. So what does LE do to recover the poor baby???? NOTHING. They refuse to do a landfill search based on their THEORY that the baby is alive. What about “THE MOTHER KILLED HIM” DONT LE understand? As they do nothing, vital evidence is being lost as that poor baby decomposes. I just dont get it. They KNOW where to search, but wont do it.

**Off Topic**

I do not want to disrupt this thread, but I need prayers from all of you. Tomorrow is going to be a trying day, most of you know why. No need to post prayers/thoughts here, it will be enough that you say them ((((silently)))). Thanks Cent

Carry on for HaLeigh

Cent, prayers your way.

Off Topic:

There is not much news that comes out about the Somer Thompson Case. This is a current update for those who may be following her case.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151466&provider=rss
First Coast News Jacksonville, Fl
2-1-10 6:50 p.m.

“Investigators Optimistic Somer’s Killer will be Caught” Article & Video
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In the video, you will get a rare glance into a LE room dedicated to Somer Thompson’s investigation.

bonanzajellybean said,in February 1st, 2010 at 7:20 pm

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I agree with your post except imo i feel le knows all and is why this case has went on for a year now.jmo

Annintn
I dont understand what you mean.

Does anyone really think Misty would give her an interview? Besides, isn’t she supposed to be going through some sort of detox?

bonanzajellybean said,in February 1st, 2010 at 8:02 pm
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Dont mean to be rude at all here, but cant you read anything into what i posted? TY

OFF TOPIC:

http://www.news4jax.com/video/22404930/index.html News4Jax Jacksonville, Fl
2-1-10 6:26 p.m. EST

“Team Somer Gives Look at Killer Search”
Article & Video (over 4 minutes long)
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More detailed than FCN’s video which I posted earlier.

alethea said,in February 1st, 2010 at 8:10 pm Does anyone really think Misty would give her an interview? Besides, isn’t she supposed to be going through some sort of detox?
————————————————Why not, Ronnie did.

Off Topic Sorta…….
I dunno who believes in it or not but only posting b/c it’s very interesting how close she got on Caylee’s case.
But if interested look at Caylee’s prediction and then Haleigh’s! Makes ya wonder??
http://worldpsychic.org/predictions/Predictions-scroll_page.htm

methinks said,
in February 1st, 2010 at 8:55 pm
gosh I certainly hope not. I may not be a big ron fan, but I don’t wish him any bodily harm.
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I don’t think Ron is guilty but IF he is I want him punished to the full extent of the law.
HOWEVER, this lynch mob mentality is very disturbing. How people can laugh and enjoy the threats made against him saddens me.
What if it were their son, or their husband, or their father. Would they want him treated like Ron is being treated?. Judged and condemned based on terrible rumors instead of being treated innocent until proven guilty.

all hi profile cases are in protective custody.
there is no danger to any of the five no matter where they are housed. Consider this..why hasn’t the case been busted wide open by now??answer – ron and misty don’t know what happen to her! misty was passed out or got home and she was gone, ron was at work..its that simple people..they don’t know what happen to her.
They are being squized but they got nothing to give.

CathyJo63,
BTW, By “this blog” I did not mean this particular article, I meant all the comments on all the articles at BNN about Haleigh.

I posted this earlier and I tend to agree with Glove!

CathyJo63 said,in February 1st, 2010 at 5:41 pm Hi Guy’s….and don’t run,I have gotten my head back on now,I know it’s a bit late but I am sorry I had any part whatsoever in that last night,a person just keep’s getting kicked and I agree with most of you and Jan,ignore it,So i will grin and bare it from now on,but I have a theory on my mind about Haleigh and I’ll brb with it!
CathyJo63 said,in February 1st, 2010 at 5:52 pm This is pure cathyjo thought’s only,I am not accusing,not using fact’s…just a thought I had last night!!! And I think’s it’s worth a thought………..okay
The brother,Misty’s brother rather that was over that evening Haleigh went missing??
Ok we have all heard about I think hgb?The date rape drug,how far fetched would it be that her brother,Misty’s?? brother Slipped her some in a drink and came back later that night having planned it all along,and the reason i wonder is Misty alway’s seem’s to everyone she is lying at the point “After she woke up”
Seem’s someone had to do an awful lot of planning beforehand!! IMO
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I would like to give an example of how rumors grow. Early in this case a liar started a rumor that Ron didn’t go to work until 6 or 7 that night, and that as a crane operator he could leave for an hour or 2 and no one would know, and that he was in the conv store at 2 am. From that, rumors grew and multiplied he killed Haleigh before he went to work…….no he left for 2 hours and came home and……no one missed him at work……….he was in conv store buying cigs at 2AM bla bla bla.
No matter how many things proved that was a lie the rumors still raged. It didn’t matter that PDM verified from time clock and supervisors and eye witnesses that Ron was at work that entire time. It didn’t matter that LE verified through the conv store video that it was really 3 oclock the rumors still raged based on pure BS. It is sad, disgusting, repulsive.

Right Treece,like they’re waiting for n excuse to kill him,whatever…….Like the guy in the 911 call,asking permission ALMOST it seemed..to kill him,My God!!…nevermind the truth!!!.serious sheeesh!I know I’d hate to be in his shoe’s,lost both kid’s now,the world’s against him but his hearts breaking b/c his whole life is basically gone!!!
My heart break’s for him every night i lay down,it does!!!

They also twist every single thing to be against Ron. When they thought the video in the conv store was at 2:00am the clapped and cheered thinking he has messed up and they were going to nail him with this video.
When they found out it was 3:00 and the video actually confirmed Rons words they screamed and yelled it was staged.
On TV if Ron cries they say fake, fake. If he doesn’t cry they say he doesn’t care or love his kids.
This last interview he has been condemned to hell because he didn’t ask about Jr. Why would he need to ask a reporter about his son. He talks to his mom and lawyer multiple times a day.
This is the perfect example of damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.
I pray God protects that boy until justice can come forth. For or against Ron let’s let justice work. He is innocent until proven guilty. Thank you for letting me air myself I will shut up for a while now. Treece

LoL Treece,I think we both had the same thougt!!
But it’s the God’s honest truth!!!!!

OJ 9:14
m2c 9:17
CathyJO 9:32
I totally agree!!!!

I will always believe Ron and Misty, both know more than they are telling. I cannot get past that 9-1-1 tape and that Greta Van Susteren interview. For that matter, I can’t get past any of their interviews. They are covering up something that they both know. I will say that I have thought her death was an accident.

rofl!!!!! good one,ain’t it the truth!

My hubby used to get on me bad for gossiping,I’d tell him,hey..I was born a female,that’s my right b/c that’s what is expected of us……rofl,
didn’t work on him though!

Karon,I dunno but I know Ronald did nothing of the sort..IMO and i think Misty is lying only about being home or awake??

That girl would have already cracked by now!!!!
otherwise!!

it shocked me when i saw it!!

They’ve added that Haleigh’s ear’s are pierced!
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1115793&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

It certainly is Anne,Even Le ought to be able to see that,they deal with these thing’s everyday!!!

Right!!

CathyJo63 said,in February 1st, 2010 at 10:14 pm My God,I didn’t know this?? Did you all?

Baker County Man Charged With Stealing Reward Money
By Sam Jordan @ March 12, 2009 4:55 PM Permalink
Baker County Police have arrested a Macclenny man accused of stealing reward money collected by school bus drivers for the Haleigh Cummings case.

Police say 23-year-old Jeremy Leonard is charged with grand theft.

Calls came into police after $670 was missing from enveliopes at the Baker Bus garage.

Ann,I really believe so!!!
——–I think that happened a very long time ago…I wonder if the dishsoap got stolen too? I’m sorry, that was uncalled for…

It did,I just hadn’t seen it,that’s bad!!!!!

Me,
Stop faking sleepiness!!for real go to bed!!LoL

nigh-nigh…sighing wearily…z

Okay cathyjoe63, that one woke me up alittle, good one!LOL oh yeah…I was goin’ to sleep…shhhhhh

I am all confused!!

It sure makes me wonder b/c look at Misty’s last mug,She resembled rudolph she cried so much,that tell’s me she is terrified and I believe with all my heart she would have told!!

I agree that’s just as possible as any other theory,something is definately wrong!!!
And Le don’t want to admit they are wrong!!
And honestly now I really do wonder if tommy didn’t slip her some ghb.bhj…lol whatever it is and that’s why it’s all a mystery to Misty too?? He was there that day? ppl said he walked around all hour’s of the night!

Amen Ann,I absolutely agree with you on that one!! I just never paid much attention before after a few times it had entered my mind “because they were cleared”

And he know’s more about it than I do!

Even then I thought,well my God,how many kid’s have you found face down in a canal?????

I believe she made it up,that is my sole opinion though!

I’d be at Walmart stocking up on Life Jacket’s and life saver’s!

Annie….I also wonder about the other side of the family. Marie seemed to go into the t-shirt business in record time, Haleighbug was formed in record time, and they had the motive (child support). Then of course there is the fact that at least one of them was using crack, and crack is whack. It wouldn’t be the first time a crackhead sold a child for money.

Anne you sure do sound stupid on here. And ignorant too.

I’d almost bet on it Me!

Probably did Me!!!!

me said,in February 1st, 2010 at 11:29 pm
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me, yes that was a motive.

CathyJo63 said,in February 1st, 2010 at 11:37 pm And you know guy’s.it seem’s everytime you mention that side ppl come outta the woodwork!

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Yep CathyJo they do.. I was waiting on that to happen. LOL

I do remember reading somewhere…..forget exactly but about someone said they bought a truck from cs and her bf and they found a cpipe in it,I do not know that it’s true or false just that I read it and mentioning it because we were on the crack subject!

I think they found more than 1 crack pipe in the truck on the Griffis property. That they lied to LE about it and tried to blame it on a friend, tells me a lot about their character. Hasn’t Crystal already been convicted once of lying to police?

Someone above said Chad had no criminal convictions…that is wrong. He has at least a conviction for cocaine, and may have still been on probation for that when they found the crack.

In a July 1 email to Marie and Crystal which is a To Do list, she includes these two interesting points:

Be sure to look at Art Harris’ latest story -I had him clear up the “crack” issue, and he posted pictures of Crystal and the kids to combat the “doctored” photo issue. The comments after his story seem very positive.

Everyone should be instructed not to answer any questions about the crack pipe issue, or who the truck is owned by. No comment is the word on this. Marie: you need to be very careful of what Diane knows about this issue. If she reports that the truck was Chad’s, and that they were his old pipes, that would be extremely bad. DCF would most likely get involved, and Chad could get arrested. Every “Ron” fan on the internet would call the authorities and demand action against Chad and Crystal.

I think I can post that one,right,its on BNN anyway?

and Pizza!

Oh, they sold T-shirts and buttons. (Horrors!)
But You didn’t see Ron out there selling T-shirts, did you?

Gee, I wonder how the pictures of the missing children on the milk cartons get paid for?

Why am I not surprised.

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 am alethea said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 am Oh, they sold T-shirts and buttons. (Horrors!)
But You didn’t see Ron out there selling T-shirts, did you?

Gee, I wonder how the pictures of the missing children on the milk cartons get paid for?

Yea,you’re entitled to your opinion and I get it now…..Is it possible though he didn’t care to spend his own money to find her??

All I mean is, things can be strung out to mean what people want them to mean.

Sauce for the goose, you know. Have a good night.

k,ty i will!!

G’nite

Right Me!

GRACE: Says Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin and the child was seen that day at school up until that afternoon just before Cummings goes to work.

CLEMENTS: What time did the child end up missing? Nobody can answer that question. You all say that this poor — this young 17-year-old girl, she`s lying, she`s.

GRACE: I`m not saying what time the child goes missing.

I want to go back to Crystal Sheffield. You bring up a great point, Kirby. Crystal Sheffield, you`re the mom. What time was Haleigh last seen by anybody other than Cummings and Croslin?

SHEFFIELD: The last time I seen her was.

GRACE: I didn`t ask when you saw her. Certainly, you as the biological mother know the facts of this case. So when was she last seen by someone other than the father and the stepmother?

SHEFFIELD: That I don`t know. I know that the last time Misty says she seen her was 8:00.

GRACE: You don`t know where she was that day? You haven`t found out?

SHEFFIELD: She was at school that day.

GRACE: Until what time?

SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus about 3:00 something? It`s what I was told.

GRACE: She gets off the buss at 3:00 or she gets out of school at 3:00?

SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus around 3:00. A little after 3:00.

GRACE: Do you know what time she would get out of school?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRACE: Why?

SHEFFIELD: I don`t live there. I don`t live there.

GRACE: You didn`t know what time your daughter got out of school?

SHEFFIELD: I`m assuming around 2:30. I don`t live there. I was never told those kind of things.

She didn’t know when the bus ran and she didn’t get a letter in the mail and bla bla bla,
Alway’s something but never her fault!

and she was neverrrr told those thing’s! Almost funny,I am sorry but it is!

She was never told anything

SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus about 3:00 something? It`s what I was told.<<<

Ya know i could post a page full here.

B/c think about it,she wasn’t told but you can plainly see here that it wasn’t after Haleigh went missing she wasn’t told ,contradicted herself!
I was never told!but she GET’S << <<off the bus blah!

she sure as hello didn’t get on the bus after she went missing?

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 1:29 am she sure as hello didn’t get OFF the bus after she went missing?

CathyJo – why do you quote yourself?

Morning, protectkidz!
I was a little confuzzled myself but then I realized that CathyJo was correcting herself. The first time it reads “on” and when she repeated it she corrected it to “off.” She meant to use the “off” in that sentence, I think.

How are you today?

isn’t Tommy also at St. John? I can’t find him:

http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/courtcaseweb/Search.aspx?txt=croslin%2c+tommy&ps=50&m=name&s=4

Funny how some people say they just want to get to the truth, and it’s all about Haleigh.

With Nebbia orders/requests on both DB’s and M’s bail, plus M’s lawyer trying to get her bail reduced, I wonder if that means someone IS trying to bail them out? If so, who and why?

ok, my hubby just made a valid point: you can not use ill-gotten goods for your gain.

His analogy: you can’t use the money you just robbed from the bank to pay your bail.

Also, some states will take anything they think was gained by criminal activity: houses, cars, bank accounts, cash.

Hi, protectkidz! Sorry, I misread that part.

Your hubby is right!

If the Nebbia applies to paying for one’s attorney as well as paying for bail, it may be a result of M refusing the judge’s offer of a court-appointed attorney and M saying she had money for an attorney.
I wonder if M has an attorney yet? Or maybe this issue is what’s holding that up?

have we figured out why Misty’s bail is less than Donna’s?

As far as DB goes…someone has to be trying to get her out. And LE knows something about her and is trying to prevent it by calling this hearing.I never heard of anything like this. But then again, I am no criminal!!
DB-is a story in herself. Though it makes interesting reading material….it still doesn’t bring Haleigh home.

Just read on another site that there are tapes of misty talking to her parents and Linsy talking to Tommy. Also some video may be released later tonight or Wed. of one of the drug deals. Oh my that should be very interesting. Wonder if we are getting close to the end? I sure hope so.moo

I saw that, too, tobias.

aslo, I think there was a mention of a phone call between DB and her hubby.

THAT should be interesting…

Thanks, protectkidz!
Oh, so they’re all probably jail house visits/calls. Then they probably don’t have anything to do with what happened to Haleigh, I guess. Darn. I’m not much interested in the drug charges (so far) until/if they relate to Haleigh.

DramaQueen, you sound like me, just waiting around for the truth to finally come out. I think LE is waiting for the ones who are addicted to fully recover before they talk to them. That way they know its not the drugs talking and dont have to worry about statements being recanted because someone didnt know what they were saying due to drugs.moo

people in jail get health care. i don’t know if they would have a detox program or simply let them just lie on their cots moaning, groaning, sweating and vomiting until all the stuff is out of their bodies.

I can’t wait to hear their calls and see the vids, tho!

m2c: I think that anything that any of these people do definitely relates to Haleigh. And if we get lucky and none of these people were careful on their calls and visits, we may get a glimpse of the real them behind the masks that they have presented, imo.

I think we are all just waiting on the truth!!

Good afternoon one and all, I”ve been going through some old info, news shows and of course NG clips…and I guess I must admit that perhaps its time for LE to take a better,more indepth look at Crystals side…or any side other than the ron, misty theory. I’m sorry but if they (misty) knew anything, she would have exploded like a canary in a microwave. I’ve never thought Ron knew much, unless it was after the fact…but Tommy and lynsey…and crystals camp, I’m just not sure.

BOLDONE3 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 10:22 am m2c♥-why are you defending yourself for believing what you believe? You are wasting your breath with these people. You & I and a few others know Ron had NOTHING to do with Haleigh’s disapearance.
We also know, that instead of dealing drugs and getting high, he should have been doing something constructive to get his daughter back. I hate to see you get upset by these people’s ignorance about Ron.
Feel free to email me at home, as I won’t patronize your way of thinking.
Your thinking with your brain, alot more than other people are thinking with.

Sorry, I HATE coming on here twice a week and see M2c get beat up for her beliefs!!!

Boldone i agree i dont comment anymore at all and i barely commented in the begining. I felt like i got jumped everytime.

Cathyjo
Anne
m2c

I agree with all of you! Please send me your email addys i would love to talk privately but dont want to get on the forums or private message boards.

DramaQueen said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm Tobias, I think it’s just a matter of time, and you may be right about the detoxing, I have never been a pill pusher so I don’t really know how long they stay in your system after you quit using.

Maybe they should use reverse psychology and tell Misty that if she tells them everything, they can make sure she gets a “prescription” that she can take every time she wants one.

What DO people in jail do that need daily meds like blood pressure, diabetes, etc?
—————————————————-talking from experience…(DUI) in jail, if you take blood pressure meds and that sort of PRESCRIBED meds, they will administer them daily…prescribed narcotics are iffy… if you get them for cancer I think you will get them…but if your quack dr prescribes them for a “sore toe” I believe its up to the jail if they want to monitor you while on these meds. thats just the way it was while I was in jail, and that was a long time ago in Mn…atleast seven yrs ago. things change I’m sure from facility to facility.

That affects the current memory not past memory. These are the side effects of the drug in uncommon situations.moo

Uncommon (affect less than 1 in 100 people)
Sensation of spinning.
Flushing.
Low blood pressure (hypotension).
A drop in blood pressure that occurs when moving from a lying down or sitting position to sitting or standing, which results in dizziness and lightheadedness (postural hypotension).
Mood swings or changes.
Euphoria.
Depression.
Agitation or restlessness.
Hallucinations.
Feeling disorientated.
Loss of memory (amnesia).
Pins and needles or numb sensations.
Muscle rigidity or floppiness, twitching or tremor.
Convulsions.
Taste disturbances.
Pin point pupils.
Visual disturbances.
Hiccups.
Swallowing difficulties.
Slow, shallow breathing (respiratory depression).
Difficulty passing urine (urinary retention).
Fluid retention causing swelling, eg of the ankles (oedema).

Tanya said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
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Tanya, what are you saying to use that agree here about Ron, I am lost here. Thanks.

tobias, yes.

m2c♥ said,
in February 2nd, 2010 at 9:52 am

Hi, protectkidz! Sorry, I misread that part.

Your hubby is right!

If the Nebbia applies to paying for one’s attorney as well as paying for bail, it may be a result of M refusing the judge’s offer of a court-appointed attorney and M saying she had money for an attorney.
I wonder if M has an attorney yet? Or maybe this issue is what’s holding that up?
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As far as I know Robert Fields is still Misty’s attorney unless he quit after giving that statement to the press after she was arrested.

Tobias, some of these withdrawal symptoms DO sound life threatening: convulsions,blood pressure changes…I’d be cocerned about this if I were monitoring them. also, don’t forget diarrea, this is very comon in narcodic withdrawal…this can lead to dehydration, which can also be life threatening. I wonder how they handle that in jail.

Vacquera, I think I do remember reading something about her attorney dropping her after the volunteer lie detector test etc. I might be wrong however.

Robert Fields is her attorney, but who knows for how long.Misty doesnt always listen to her attorney from past events. If I were him I would not be involved, it seems anyone who does gets chewed up and spit out. moo

BOLDONE3 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 10:22 am
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Glad we are in agreement. I want say all my thoughts on this case on a public blog.

well, i think they would all definitely be craving drugs psychologically, but physically I think it would flush out within 2 weeks.

My Own Opinion and you arent dumb when you seek knoledge and thats my own opinion lol

can someone point me in the direction of the arrest video? thx

methinks: everyone has to ask that eventually. or else just not know, lol.

Tanya @ 1:12 -I’m sorry you got jumped on. It looks like things may be changing here and we (or some of us) are trying to step out of the vicious circle of R vs C issues and talk about other things. So please join us!

Tammy smith just got arrest in the baby Gabriel case for interfering with custody and fraud. Wonder why they waited so long for that one? moo

Thanks again tobias, I’m fifty too (too not two lol) and I find myself asking alot of questons. WE (you and I) are from the world of eight tracks and vcrs, we’ve come along way baby! thanks again.

protectkidz, yep thats the one!

oops yes thats Smith not johnson.

Why did i uote myself,sorry you lost me,Dunno how that 1st one posted twice?? And 3 3rd was b/c i said on the bus?? not OFF

Im a little confused i was on Arts website today reading some of the comments. He is still stating that Ron stole from donation jars and got free food at chili’s and used Donation money on his tatoo’s. I thought someone else stated the Tatoo was donated and the Chili’s was a rumor. I live in South Dakota have a daughter Haleigh’s age named Haley and it breaks my heart!

Praying for Haleigh!

The point tho was she contraidicted herself,b/c she said she was never told those thing’s then she was told Haleigh GET’S off the bus………..and I am assuming she didn’t get off it after she went missing??

IMO tho,either way anyone know’s when their child get’s off the bus,maybe 5 min. late sometime but ya still know,R and M knew! Misty was only there 6 month’s and she knew!!

had Crystal ever picked up HaLeigh from the bus stop?

CathyJo – what do you mean? Are you saying that Crystal should have known when Haleigh’s bus dropped her off?

Just asking because I though she did know when the bus came, just not what time school got out.

there are so many rumors in this case that it’s hard to keep track of all of them.

AnneInTn said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm Tanya said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
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Have you ever thought Misty was threaten to keep her mouth shut. Just asking.

IDK! I could see her and Ron keeping there mouths shut about what they were doing before haleigh went missing. The drugs!

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 2:27 pm LoL@ME,I swear i have been waiting to know that,lol i didn’t wanna ask either
——————————————————are you refering to the moo queston?

methinks said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm TaynaI don’t know about the donation jars for sure, but I was scolded awhile back for assuming he used donation money for the tats. They were donated by the tattoo store. not the money, the actual tat.

Thanks thats what i heard to.

Art is also stating he heard that one of mistys friends caught Ron shopping with the stripper with Mistys food stamp card. I would like to know how she can get food stamps. I cant even get food stamps and i got 2 kids!

I say that listening to a question through an ear piece could be why there was confussion in some of the answers given on Nancys show so I really dont put much faith in it. moo

tanya, Rumors,rumors rumors…just be careful what you repeat…thats how ya get jumped on lol.

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
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Cathy where is that transcript of Crystal on NG show saying she didnt know what time Haleigh went to school or got off the bus. TY.

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 am

Go back guys and read cathys post at 1:18 am. Its tells about crystal does not know when haleigh went to school and got off bus.

yes pro,I am.heck i can tell ya what time strangers kids get off the bus.lol

MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S BABY-SITTER/STEPMOTHER: They`ve been on me for six months. They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Mark Nejame is a very respected attorney. And asked I Ronald — Ronald, I need more information on this before I can consider representing anybody. And Ronald Cummings said, The (DELETED) had something to do with my daughter`s disappearance.

GRACE: What is her story about what happened that night?

CUMMINGS: The same thing that she`s telling police or whoever, that she put Haleigh to bed, done some laundry, went to bed, and woke up to the door propped open.

CROSLIN: I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping?

MILLER: He said that she never made the bed that night. She`d been awake all night. She never went to sleep. They did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes. The only clothes in the dryer were dirty clothes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think Misty holds some information that could help with that?

CUMMINGS: I don`t think Misty holds any information that`s going to find Haleigh.

MILLER: The question was asked, Why did you marry Misty? His words were, You keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And tonight live to Virginia, 18 and 19-year-old childhood sweethearts, sophomores studying engineering and biochemistry, active in Campus Crusade for Christ, gunned down in cold blood at a popular camping spot right near campus, their lives cut short in a hail of bullets. In a crime that leaves the entire campus in terror, who killed teenagers Heidi and David?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bodies of two Virginia Tech students have been found at a Jefferson National Forest campground. That`s a popular hangout for students.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The sheriff`s office received a report of two bodies here in Caldwell Fields, and it was by a man walking his dog. When deputies arrived on the scene, found a male and a female deceased.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The sheriff says 19-year-old David Lee Metzler and 18-year-old Heidi Lynn Childs were shot to death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s shocking. It`s disturbing. And just to summarize it in one word, it`s brutal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Most troubling for those who knew and loved this couple, the questions surrounding their murders.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody that`s seen anything suspicious at Craig`s (ph) Creek (ph) from Route 460 all the way to 311 in Montgomery County.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will dedicate all of our resources and efforts to bring the person or persons involved in this to justice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. The investigation into the disappearance of a 5-year-old Florida girl, Haleigh Cummings, heats up. After intense voluntary questioning of Ronald Cummings, the father, a new and disturbing timeline emerges. Is there a break in the case?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MILLER: I got a voice message from Ronald`s mother, I think on the 18th or 19th, that said, Tim, Misty won`t even talk to Ronald right now. She`s on secret phone calls and stuff. She`s ready to break.

CROSLIN: He called the phone and said that, I`m going to take you to Orlando to get you away because your days are numbered. He told me that if I didn`t take them tests, that he wasn`t going to look for Haleigh.

MILLER: Misty, I said, you know what? I`ve spent time with law enforcement and stuff, and I says, I believe that the day`s going to come when you are going to be arrested.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you feel that Misty is the key to this investigation?

CUMMINGS: No, I don`t. I think they`re barking up the wrong tree.

911 OPERATOR: OK…

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Can I talk to her?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK.

CUMMINGS: How the (DELETED) can you let my daughter get stole (DELETED)?

GRACE: Whether you accept it or not, that your wife has flunked a poly, have you asked her what happened?

CUMMINGS: I asked her, but I don`t get any answers from her about, you know — I don`t see what she — what she`s telling me is not inconsistent.

CROSLIN: If they go out and look for that person, maybe they — they would be — have the answers, but they`re trying to get all the answers from me that I don`t have.

MILLER: I`m willing to put this out. I mean, honesty is honesty. I mean, we all got skeletons.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart, program and news director WSKY, 97.3 FM. T.J., thank you for being with us. Ronald Cummings, the father of little Haleigh, agrees to go with police. He did this voluntarily. And he undergoes intense questioning — this is just hours ago — about a phone, a telephone timeline. Can you confirm that there was a horrible argument between Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin, Misty alone at home with Haleigh, just before Haleigh goes missing?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM (via telephone): According to his lawyers, they don`t want to get into the intricacies of the conversation, but they say they probably were not having cordial conversations, and they said that there was an argument, and that was pretty much an end of it. Have no idea about how it transpired or anything at this point. But there was indeed an argument.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story. Police apparently bring Cummings in for questioning, intense questioning, about a telephone timeline leading up all the way to the time Haleigh goes missing. Now, we have reason to believe that they already have Misty Croslin`s cell phone and home phone records, all right? That`s relatively easy to get. The police just had to fill out a subpoena for that and send it to the phone company.

But what are they hoping to get from Ronald to, what, piece together what they were talking about during all these calls? What do you know, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, what Ronald`s attorney is telling us today is that they met with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and in that meeting, they wanted to get all of Ronald`s phone records from about 5:00 PM the night before Haleigh went missing up until the time Haleigh was reported missing, about 3:00 o`clock in the morning.

Now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. Ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. There`s apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting, quote, “from scratch.”

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. And joining us tonight, also taking your calls, is the mother of missing Florida girl, 5-year-old Haleigh. Also with her, the grandmother, Haleigh`s grandmother. Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis, thank you for being with us.

First to you, Crystal Sheffield. This is Haleigh`s mother. Crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the developments especially about Misty Croslin flunking a polygraph?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: Well, I`ve thought all along that she had something to do with it, and now this kind of just proves it. I mean…

GRACE: But why do you think — why do you say you`ve thought all along that?

SHEFFIELD: She was the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don`t add up. Everything she says is crazy. I mean, it`s like the cops say, they`re inconsistent.

GRACE: Have you talked to Ronald about the inconsistencies?

SHEFFIELD: I`ve said something to him about her recently, and he pretty much was, like, What do you want me to do? So…

GRACE: What did you say to him? I mean, his response kind of — to interpret it depends on what you said to him. What did you say to him?

SHEFFIELD: I told him what I — how I felt about her test results, and I told him I really didn`t want to be around her anymore, like when I pick our son up. And he was just, like, What do you want me to do? So maybe we can talk about it and I…

GRACE: When you go to pick up your son and you see Misty, have you tried to speak to Misty Croslin about what happened that night?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRACE: Why?

SHEFFIELD: I can`t.

GRACE: Why?

SHEFFIELD: Because she was the last one to see our daughter, and I just — I…

GRACE: I mean, if — if somebody was the last person to be with my child, John David or Lucy, and police say they have the key to what happened, I would at least say, What happened?

SHEFFIELD: Well, I haven`t seen her since the results.

GRACE: Yes?

SHEFFIELD: But I did talk to her on the telephone, and she was telling me she had no problem with me and that she didn`t have anything to do with our daughter going missing, that she was at home and all this stuff that everybody`s saying is lies about her. That`s the only time I`ve talked to her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was the bed made?

CROSLIN: No. I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CROSLIN: I just woke up and our back door was open, and I can`t find my daughter.

911 OPERATOR: Can`t find what?

CROSLIN: My daughter.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What`s your address?

CROSLIN: Green Lane (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: What`s the numerical?

CROSLIN: The numerical? What`s that?

911 OPERATOR: The number. Green Lane?

CROSLIN: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: OK, when did you last see her?

CROSLIN: We just, like — you know, it was about 10:00 o`clock. She was sleeping (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK. How old is your daughter?

CROSLIN: She`s 5. Hello?

911 OPERATOR: OK. What was she last seen wearing?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE) the middle of the night.

911 OPERATOR: Ma`am?

CROSLIN: She was in her pajamas. We were sleeping.

911 OPERATOR: OK. All right. You said your back door was wide open?

CROSLIN: Yes, with a brick. Like, there was a brick (INAUDIBLE). Like, when I went to sleep, the door was not like that.

911 OPERATOR: OK, the back door…

CROSLIN: It was locked.

911 OPERATOR: Listen to me. Your back door was wide open. What are you talking about a brick?

CROSLIN: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: What is the brick?

CROSLIN: It`s on the (INAUDIBLE) on the stairs. Like (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: And there was a brick laying there?

CROSLIN: Yes. It`s still there.

(CROSSTALK)

CUMMINGS: … better come on!

911 OPERATOR: We got them coming. Tell him we got them coming.

CROSLIN: They`re coming.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Joining us tonight exclusively since the stepmother of little Haleigh apparently flunks a polygraph, the child`s mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her mother, the grandmother, Marie Griffis, joining us out of Florida.

To Crystal Sheffield. You mentioned that Misty Croslin`s first polygraph, the one administered by police, was full of inconsistencies. How did you find that out?

SHEFFIELD: No, not the polygraph, just her stories. I know nothing about the polygraph from the police. I have not revealed that.

GRACE: OK. Why did you — where did you learn that what she told police was full of inconsistencies?

SHEFFIELD: The — it was on your show, actually. I think it was one of the investigators. He said that, We`ve known all along that her stories was full of inconsistencies.

GRACE: You made an accusation that Croslin was on a drug binge. Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

CROSLIN: No, I don`t.

GRACE: Then why did you say it?

CROSLIN: It was just a thought. I mean, maybe she was. Maybe she wasn`t.

GRACE: It was just a thought. So you have nothing to support the claim that she was on a drug binge around the time Haleigh goes missing?

CROSLIN: Well, there`s been people that have been questioned that said she was on a drug binge before Haleigh went missing.

GRACE: OK. Let`s go to calls. To Sharon in Alabama. Hi, Sharon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for taking my call.

GRACE: Thank you for calling. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When this case first started, you all showed a map of registered sex offenders in the area.

GRACE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I`m wondering if Misty may have had one of those as her guest on that night. And you know, she`s talking about she had four guests and it was foggy, so I assume there might be drugs and drinking going on. So I`m wondering if she had a registered sex offender in there and now she`s scared to death to tell anybody.

GRACE: Out to Natisha Lance. I know police questioned or looked up all of those sex offenders. I remember when they did it. But have there been accusations that have surfaced that she and was entertaining men in the home the night Haleigh goes missing?

LANCE: There have been accusations that she was entertaining some people in the home the night Haleigh was missing. We don`t know if they were male or female, but there have been those accusations. And yes, all the sex offenders in the area were questioned more than once. They canvassed that area over and over again.

GRACE: Out to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Mike, weigh in? What do you make of it, the fact — in my mind, the fact that police are bringing in new blood — not that there was anything wrong with the old team, they were excellent — but new blood to put fresh eyes on it, and that they bring in Cummings, who, I would like to add, came voluntarily, where they grill him over his phone records — Who were you calling, what were you talking about with Misty Croslin just before the child goes missing — now we find out they have a major argument just before she goes missing to the point where Misty Croslin apparently cuts her cell phone off.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, Nancy, that`s a great point. And if you recall, back early on, I brought up what was in the police report, where he called her, My dumb “B” girlfriend.” Now, as — in reference to law enforcement, they had done this before and got some fresh eyes on the case. Sounds like they`re doing it again. I don`t have a problem with it. But still, you know, all these eyes looking at this, they`re still not coming up with one big thing, probable cause.

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CUMMINGS: Hello?

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, let me talk to your wife. Let me get some information from her.

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK…

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Can I talk to her?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK.

CUMMINGS: How the (DELETED) can you let my daughter get stole (DELETED)?

911 OPERATOR: Tell him we got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

CUMMINGS: Give me my (DELETED) phone! I got better people to talk to than a (DELETED) (DELETED) that ain`t coming!

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CROSLIN: They`ve been on me for six months. They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to the lines. Gina in Florida. Hi, Gina.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. The night that Haleigh went missing, the back door to the trailer was propped open with a brick. It`s possible Misty put the brick there so she could get back into the house after partying without waking up the children. So my question is, if Misty did go out that night, could someone who knew that the kids were left alone go back to the house and abduct Haleigh?

GRACE: I think that is entirely possible. But let`s analyze this, Dr. Patricia Saunders — Saunders joining us from New York, clinical psychologist. Let`s think it through. Is Dr. Saunders with us? Liz, can you please put her up on the screen? Hi, Doctor. Doctor, if her only offense was that she went out that night — she shouldn`t have gone out to party, shouldn`t have gone out on a date, whatever — if that were her only offense, if that was the only problem, don`t you think she would have come clean to that by now?

PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely, Nancy. No question about it. There are not only inconsistencies, but this is a person who maintains that she passed the voice stress test and the polygraph, even though experts have said no. That`s someone who`s willing to ignore and distort reality. So she is walking around in a dream-like state, as she says.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers — Susan Moss, New York, Richard Herman, famed defense attorney out of New York, Kirby Clements (ph), former prosecutor turned defense attorney out of Atlanta. Richard Herman, what do you make of it?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Look, polygraphs are not the facts. So we`ve got to get that straight, Doctor. They`re not reality and they`re not the facts. They`re not accepted in court. So let`s move away from that.

GRACE: OK. Put Herman up, please.

HERMAN: Oh!

GRACE: Richard…

HERMAN: Nancy, no one`s going to…

GRACE: Try, try, try to be truthful, all right? Just try. Have you ever — and I already know the answer, so don`t try to waffle. Have you ever sent one of your clients for a polygraph?

HERMAN: Yes, I have.

GRACE: Why?

HERMAN: I did it so that I could show it to…

GRACE: Because…

HERMAN: … a prosecutor like you…

GRACE: … you…

HERMAN: … who I know would ignore it!

GRACE: … believed it!

HERMAN: You would ignore it, Nancy!

GRACE: You believed it. So don`t jump up on this show and try to pretend they have no validity!

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Misty Cummings has said she put Haleigh to bed that February night and then later she went to sleep. Miller said Ronald does not buy that story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was the bed made?

MISTY CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S STEPMOM, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: No, I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping?

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right beside me on my left is the bed where Misty Croslin was sleeping, and here on the right we have the bed where little Haleigh was sleeping. And you can see it is all but about 3 1/2 feet from each other. And this is right where Misty said she got up and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

M. CUMMINGS: When I went to sleep, she was there. And then when I woke up she was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said that she never made the bed that night, she`d been awake all night, she never went to sleep, they did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes.

M. CUMMINGS: If they`d go out and look for the right person maybe they`d have the answers. But they`re trying to get all the answers from me that I don`t have.

TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: I`d love to get that little girl home. Ronald said if he had $35,000 he could get her home. Well, you know what? I`ve got five people that could go ahead and get $35,000 and we could put it in a special account tomorrow.

And when little Haleigh comes home, she can go ahead and give that $35,000 to somebody and we`re all full of (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Joining us tonight, Haleigh`s mother, Crystal Sheffield, and grandmother, Marie Griffis.

To you, Miss Griffis, thank you for being with us. You stated that at the very beginning you doubted Croslin`s story. Why?

MARIE GRIFFIS, GRANDMOTHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Because of the inconsistencies with the bed and who was sleeping in what bed. There were four different stories.

GRACE: What were the four stories?

GRIFFIS: Well, one minute all three of them were in the — in the same bed. Then Haleigh was on a different bed. And it was just her and Butterbean. Then — and Butterbean is Junior, by the way. Then he was in a totally different room other than her and Haleigh. And it just kept getting bigger and bigger.

GRACE: What, if anything, have you been told about her police polygraph?

GRIFFIS: That they were full of inconsistencies.

GRACE: Such as?

GRIFFIS: As her timeline. They can`t figure out whether she was or was not at home. If — it`s one right after another. It`s all mind- boggling.

GRACE: To Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh`s mother. Crystal, recently she has suggested that the four people were in the home that evening. Have you heard that version?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOM OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: No. The only thing I`ve heard was about the AC guy and her brother that stopped by. That`s the only people I know about. And she said they left, both of them.

GRACE: Back to T.J. Hart with WSKY. T.J., I want to focus specifically on what the cops are focusing on right now that we know of. And that is this phone timeline. They are focusing, honing in on a big argument that Ronald Cummings had with Misty Croslin just before the child goes missing.

So you`re telling me you have no idea what the argument was about, you know nothing about it?

T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM, COVERING STORY (via phone): That`s according to his attorney. That`s for sure. He said there was a brief argument and that was the end of it. That`s Ron talking to his attorney.

GRACE: OK. Natisha, what do you know?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, according to Tim Miller, they were arguing about — Misty had apparently been gone for several days prior to Haleigh going missing. She had just come back into the house. They had had arguments about possibly some — her entertaining other people outside of their relationship.

And when she came back into the house that argument had carried over and carried over also into the day that Haleigh went missing.

GRACE: To Susan Moss, child advocate, family law attorney. Susan, how often have you seen when spouses argue, one takes it out on the child? Like the father and the mother argues just recently and the father throws the baby off a bridge. That just happened.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. Unfortunately too often. Or another scenario is perhaps that she got in a fight and maybe she left. Or somehow the timeline is screwed up. I mean, she failed this poly. Oh, golly. I mean, come on. This is a surprise to no one.

This is a 16-year-old who has changed her stories multiple times. She didn`t call the cops until dad came home and literally forced her to call the cops. And also, this child was taken from a small trailer? How did she not know? It`s just surprising to me her nose hasn`t grown.

GRACE: To Kirby Clements. Kirby, you`re a veteran trial lawyer. You`ve been on both sides of the fence. You were a felony prosecutor. Now you`re a defense attorney. What do you make of the fact that Susan just brought up. She didn`t call the cops until Cummings gets home and says where the H is the baby? Then they call the cops.

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that is a problem, and I have to tell you that anytime your client.

GRACE: Boy, you sure are putting perfume on a pig? That`s a problem. That`s all you can say?

CLEMENTS: It is a problem.

GRACE: You have to sugarcoat that pill.

CLEMENTS: Well, you know, we have to find out what else is going on. I mean if I`m her lawyer, I`m focusing on the father, too. After all, you know.

GRACE: The father? You`re focusing on the father?

CLEMENTS: I would have to focus on the father. This story doesn`t make sense.

GRACE: The father wasn`t home when she went missing.

CLEMENTS: Well, you know what.

GRACE: So why focus on the father?

CLEMENTS: No one knows what time.

GRACE: That doesn`t even make sense.

CLEMENTS: The problem is nobody knows what time the child went missing. Everybody`s.

GRACE: We know when he went to work by all accounts.

CLEMENTS: Says who?

GRACE: Says Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin and the child was seen that day at school up until that afternoon just before Cummings goes to work.

CLEMENTS: What time did the child end up missing? Nobody can answer that question. You all say that this poor — this young 17-year-old girl, she`s lying, she`s.

GRACE: I`m not saying what time the child goes missing.

I want to go back to Crystal Sheffield. You bring up a great point, Kirby. Crystal Sheffield, you`re the mom. What time was Haleigh last seen by anybody other than Cummings and Croslin?

SHEFFIELD: The last time I seen her was.

GRACE: I didn`t ask when you saw her. Certainly, you as the biological mother know the facts of this case. So when was she last seen by someone other than the father and the stepmother?

SHEFFIELD: That I don`t know. I know that the last time Misty says she seen her was 8:00.

GRACE: You don`t know where she was that day? You haven`t found out?

SHEFFIELD: She was at school that day.

GRACE: Until what time?

SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus about 3:00 something? It`s what I was told.

GRACE: She gets off the buss at 3:00 or she gets out of school at 3:00?

SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus around 3:00. A little after 3:00.

GRACE: Do you know what time she would get out of school?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRACE: Why?

SHEFFIELD: I don`t live there. I don`t live there.

GRACE: You didn`t know what time your daughter got out of school?

SHEFFIELD: I`m assuming around 2:30. I don`t live there. I was never told those kind of things.

GRACE: To Dr. Marty Makary. You know, Dr. Marty, I`m starting to think this child never had a chance. She didn`t have a chance. She`s also got Turner syndrome. Could you just tell me what obstacles she would face with Turner syndrome if she were taken by an outsider that didn`t know how to treat her?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, in short, she had a lot of medical needs. This was a child who most likely had frequent coughs, the flu, sore throat, upper respiratory tract infections. This child we know had seen the doctor many times, had been hospitalized already at her young age, and we know this is a condition which affects the development of kids because they have a lot of medical needs.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Deann, Wisconsin. Hi, Deann.

DEANN, CALLER FROM WISCONSIN: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?

DEANN: I`m just wondering, has her father taken a polygraph test?

GRACE: The father? The biodad?

DEANN: Yes.

GRACE: Absolutely. And to our knowledge he`s passed.

Kim in Ohio, what`s your question, dear?

KIM, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy. I just wanted to know why has she not been arrested if she flunked the poly?

GRACE: Well, because polygraphs, unless they`re agreed to up front, are not admissible in court. It`s not enough for probable cause. For all we know she could be lying about a tangential issue such as what she did earlier that evening. So they can`t pin a case on a flunked poly.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Another sad day for the Virginia Tech community after two students were found killed in Montgomery County.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 19-year-old David Lee Metzler and 18-year-old Heidi Lynn Childs were shot to death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are a young couple. The male subject was found in the vehicle and the female subject was found outside of the vehicle. Quite honestly, it`s brutal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The campground where the bodies were found is about 15 miles from the tech campus.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re all Hokies here, and it`s just a big family. So you know, yes, it hits deep with everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Metzler was an industrial and systems engineering major. Professors call him a very fine young man who had a clear path for his professional future.

Childs` professors in biochemistry say she had excellent grades and was already emerging as a standout student.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody that`s seen anything suspicious, anybody suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Virginia Tech`s president reaches out to the victims` families, saying no that the university administration and everyone within this community intensely feels this pain.

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GRACE: Two shining stars. Now dark. An 18 and 19-year-old, both sophomores, both intensely involved in Campus Crusade for Christ. They both played the guitar in the praise band. Excellent grades. The world before them. Their lives cut short in a hail of bullets.

Who murdered these two beautiful teenagers? We want answers.

Straight out to Jim Nolan, reporter with the “Richmond Times- Dispatch.” Jim, what happened?

JIM NOLAN, REPORTER, RICHMOND TIMES-DISPATCH, COVERING STORY (via phone): Well, Nancy, apparently, they went to Caldwell Fields, which is a popular hangout for Tech students, about 15 miles from campus in the Jefferson National Forest sometime in the evening.

Police believe that sometime between 8:30 at night on Wednesday and 8:00 a.m. the next morning they were shot and killed by unknown assailant or assailants. They don`t know yet whether there is one suspect or multiple suspects.

GRACE: Joining me right now, two very special guests, Dr. Keith Metzler. He is the father of David Metzler, one of the teens, and Sergeant Donald Childs, the father of Heidi Childs.

Gentlemen, thank you for being with us. To you, Dr. Metzler, please tell me about your son.

DR. KEITH METZLER, M.D., FATHER OF MURDER VICTIM, DAVID METZLER: David was just a laid back, just tender-hearted loving kid that liked to have fun. He deeply loved his friends and his family, and most of all he was deeply committed to Christ and wanted to share that with his friends and lead them to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

GRACE: Sergeant Childs, what can you tell me about your daughter?

SGT. DONALD CHILDS, FATHER OF MURDER VICTIM, HEIDI CHILDS, VIRGINIA STATE POLICE: She was a wonderful girl. Loved life. Full of life. She walked the walk and talked the talk. She had just a wonderful attitude about life in general, was always smiling.

She loved her family. She loved David. She loved school. But most of all, she loved the Lord and she was a living example of that.

GRACE: You know, gentlemen, I — couldn`t understand. I thought I understood felony crimes, being a crime victim, until I had my children. And even now at just age 2, you pump so much love, so much nurturing, so many high hopes and dreams into them, for it to end in this manner. I want you to know our prayers are with you.

METZLER: Thank you.

CHILDS: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: To Richard Herman. Richard, you have defended so many murder cases. Do you believe that a reward will help?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Oh, I think a reward will absolutely help. Hasn`t this school suffered enough? I just cannot believe the torture that we read going on at Virginia Tech. These two young people got slaughtered like this.

I don`t know. Was this close-up? Was it a rifle? What was the caliber? What information do we have on this, Nancy?

GRACE: Right now not very much is being released, is it, Mike Brooks?

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: Not at all, Nancy. And that`s the whole thing. You know, we don`t know. Apparently one victim was inside the car, one outside the car.

They probably vacuumed it with a forensic vacuum to try to get any hairs, fibers, DNAs, any kind of fingerprint evidence. Taking a look at — I know it`s not pleasant to talk about with both the gentlemen there, but angle of the bullet, all these things.

But it`s going to be very, very important in determining was there one perp in this, was there two? What exactly happened? We don`t know right now, Nancy.

GRACE: To the lines, Melissa in West Virginia. What`s your question, dear?

MELISSA, CALLER FROM WEST VIRGINIA: Yes. I would like to congratulate you on your twins. You are a wonderful mother. I have twins as well. So I know what a blessing that is. And my question is when was the couple last seen?

GRACE: Good question. To Jim Nolan, when were they last seen?

NOLAN: Well, the last contact, Nancy, that authorities are saying that they had was around 8:00 or 8:30 on Wednesday evening. And they`re not elaborating on how that contact took place. But the authorities have said that they believe that the couple was there alone, at least initially.

GRACE: Back to Sergeant Donald Childs, the father of Heidi Childs. What, if anything, are police telling you that you can share with us? I want the viewers to know what they can to help.

Everyone, the tip line, 540-382-2951. Sergeant?

CHILDS: We would appreciate, of course, any tips called into the line, anything at all. I would not want to jeopardize anything in this investigation at all. I can tell you that there is in the works a reward being organized. It`s too early at this time to tell you any of the details.

GRACE: OK.

CHILDS: Other than there is a reward being generated for this.

GRACE: Dr. Metzler, what, if anything, can you share with us that police have shared with you to help the viewers? Do we know if it was one assailant, two? The time of the shooting? Have they placed the time of death?

METZLER: No, we really don`t have those kind of details.

GRACE: OK.

METZLER: The only thing we know is that they`ve pulled out all the stops, so to speak, and they`re using all the resources available for this case.

GRACE: Dr. Metzler, how is your family?

METZLER: Well, we are obviously saddened and deeply hurt. The pain is awful. But we also have a wonderful hope and assurance that both of our kids are in heaven. They trusted Christ as their savior. And we feel a real peace for them.

GRACE: Heidi Childs, David Metzler have lost their lives. Tonight, we want questions, and as we go to break on a happy note, a very special happy birthday to Fayetteville, Georgia friend of the show, Aunt Ruth.

A loving wife of 54 years. Her family loves her for her big heart, always caring for others. She`s a proud mother, a grandmother of three, and she is so brave.

Happy birthday, Aunt Ruth.

And happy birthday to California friend, Lourdes. She works for the Burbank Unified School District, loves movies, reading, never misses a show. Biggest joy, her two girls. She`s a cancer survivor, so brave.

Happy birthday, Lourdes.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bodies of two Virginia Tech students have been found at a Jefferson National Forest campground. That`s a popular hangout for students. The sheriff says 19-year-old David Lee Metzler and 18-year- old Heidi Lynn Childs were apparently shot to death.

The campground were the bodies were found is about 15 miles from the Tech campus.

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GRACE: Out to Dr. Marty Makary. Dr. Makary, assuming the cause of death is by shooting, I`m hoping against hope that this was a quick and painless death. What can you tell us?

MAKARY: They`ll be looking at particulates of gunpowder at the actual entry site. They`ll be looking for the trajectory. They`ll be looking at autopsy for any bruising. And they`ll be able to tell whether or not there was a struggle. I suspect there will have not been any type of struggle.

GRACE: Back to Mike Brooks. Mike, what`s your analysis?

BROOKS: You know, Nancy, right now, with no good evidence that we`re hearing about, I`m sure maybe the sergeant knows a little bit more, but I don`t blame him for not saying anything. But right now it`s just what we`re doing right now.

GRACE: Right.

BROOKS: Getting it out into the public`s view. Because a lot of times, Nancy, as you know, a lot of times people think — you know, don`t believe they see anything, but they really do.

GRACE: Sergeant Childs, how is your family tonight?

CHILDS: They are feeling the pain. Her sister`s very close, her two brothers very close to the sweet Heidi that she was. And we`re getting by. And the grace of God. The grace of God.

GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Robert Carr, 22, Warren, Ohio, killed Iraq. On a second tour, lost his life just weeks before he was to return home and celebrate his first wedding anniversary.

He`s remembered for his big heart and the way he made other people smile. Loved sports, wrestling, football, dreamed of being an ultimate fighter. Leaves behind parents Christine and Jeff, sisters Jennifer, Julie, Rachel, brother Matthew, who also served Iraq and Afghanistan. Grieving widow Nina.

Robert Carr, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for inviting us into your home. And happy birthday to one of our show`s stars, Beth. The proud mother of 2-year-old Kaitlin.

Happy birthday, dear Beth.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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I agree pro,it is harddddddd to know fact’s from rumor but on that one she said it on n/g herself!

tobias

Shes haleighs mother..why would she not know these things is my point and i was trying to answer someones question here.

In my town Kindergarten is not everyday it is everyother day with a half day on Friday. Does anyone know if thats the case in Satsuma?

And I am a Haleigh supporter too,all of us are i hope……..just diff opinion’s and if your child is 5 yr’s old and you don’t know,IMO I am sorry but you don’t wanna know!!Not picking or making excuses,that’s all I am saying.I don’t care who goes to prison for life as long as it’s the right person!

great discussion but now I am really off – bus is coming!

have a good one, all.

Maybe someone who lives down there can let us know if kindergarten is full days every day?
Just curious because it isnt always the case.

alway’s somebody else’s fault why she don’t know important thing’s any mother should know!IMO

Bye everyone have a great day I am leaving too.

Even predator’s know when the bus run’s,so i think we all need to be ahead of them!!!

I’ll look,interesting!

me either but have an idea,maybe brb

SHEFFIELD: I`m concerned for my son myself. He`s 3, and you know, when nightfall comes about in this neighborhood, we left. We wouldn`t even stay for the vigils.

Can’t locate it..will keep looking tho,this is interesting..transcript for JVM

IMO,If my dtr faced the boogey man…I would!!

tobias said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm Where is there any evidence of the info above? Really are reaching arent you?
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If you have anything to say to me say it directly to me. Yes I have proof and have sent it all in.

I was speaking to David sorry if you thought it was about you ann

I am leaving now before I get attacked have a nice day

can I just offer a word of advice, as a newbie to this blog?

don’t assume that just from reading a comment, that you know well the thoughts and feelings of your fellow commenters.

If you care to find out, ask. Lots of meaningful discussion can be had if people are patient with each other and agree to disagree, and not assume.

see ya’ll later.

That picture is on Rons site on Rons MYSPACE.

Nobody is gonna attack anybody,but some here think it’s wrong for us to support R and M,and we have our opinions too!

I have never been to their myspaces!!

I agree Pirate,it’s not at all entertaining,some ignorant person was behind that video!IMO

here’s an interesting myspace, lol:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=375142511&albumID=77694&imageID=297932

Man ya can’t discuss nothing! accus me of getting mad but you leave,for god’s sake let’s talk about it! Or do you just not wanna know the truth?

I’m not a bit mad,takes more than that Tobias!
just thought since it’s a discussion we could discuss it w/o anger,I will never participate in an argument again here unless I am provoked really bad!!for my opinon when that’s the sole reason for being here!I made up my mind on that,but in a discussion if you point sommin out then you’d think you’d give your reasons for believing I’m wrong! What a discussion forum is!

One thing I had been thinking of is “what is the incentive” for anyone who’s in jail now to confess if they had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance?
Originally I was worried that LE might offer 5 – 10 years for manslaughter or something and get a false confession from someone who didn’t want to serve 25 or more on the drug charges.

But Denny Griffin said on the radio that LE would ask for proof. They would not just let someone confess and be done with it. So it seems to me that there is definitely room for LE to negotiate – considering the potentially lengthy sentences for drugs – and no risk of false confessions (even for accessory or knowledge of).

Anne, that’s interesting thought. If they were being threatened how would they prove that? And if LE has made up their minds that the perp is one of the ones in jail, then they’re not going to go look for anyone else or believe stories about being threatened. So another dead-end, right?

M2.good point!!

I wonder how long it will take for LE to decide they need to look in another direction?
Or will they ever admit that?

I am still hoping something solid comes from these arrests but with time passing, the hope diminishes some.

As far as I know they were home but Chad was not and I don’t know if Sara was or not.

Vaquera said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm
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I thought crystal and maire stopped on their way from Ga that day and opened a bank acct at 9 am that morning??

Vaquera said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm As far as I know they were home but Chad was not and I don’t know if Sara was or not
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Maire set up a aliba for Chad that nite.

That’s what both Crystal/Marie said. They didn’t know where Ron lived, but he was just a couple of streets over from where he used to live. Johnny had to know where Ron lived he went straight over there. So either he already knew or Crystal or Marie told him the address

AnneInTn said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 3:01 pm protectkidz said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm
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Crystal was in Ga when Haleigh went missing and I cant find the link for that. He and her mother didnt get there that morning till noon. and they( Maire and Crystal) stopped at set up a bank account that morning also. I am trying to find the link on this.
——Anne, I thought I posted above, aking you about this but apparently my coment didn’t post..bank account? what for? donations? wouldn’t that be abit premature if they are on their way to the scene of the crime…she hadn’t been missing for that long at this point. isn’t that alittle suspisious? I hadn’t heard about this bank account before…interesting

Vaquera said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm That’s what both Crystal/Marie said. They didn’t know where Ron lived, but he was just a couple of streets over from where he used to live. Johnny had to know where Ron lived he went straight over there. So either he already knew or Crystal or Marie told him the address
—it is a small commuity, he might innocently know where ron lived. It’s even possible that he foolowed all the sqad cars and sirens and lights.

I hadn’t either MeThinks!

cathyjo, I too thought it was odd that crystal knew it was a dead bolt. hmmm she knew about the dead bolt but notthe time her child gets out of scholl? strange, kinda, unless her and ronald spoke alone about it and he confirmed to her about the deadbolt.

m2c, thanks, I did read that above, Ijust forgot to confirm it. that would have been sumthin’ though huh?

is sarah chystals sister?

m2c, yer’ right, she had to have been there two weeks prior to pick up kids unless marie picked them up. but then she would have known where they lived.

m2c♥ said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm Well if C did not know where R lived, and that was to have been her weekend with the children, then she would have had to be there two weeks before right? Had he moved in during the previous two weeks?
This is very confusing.

And as you say, if she knew about the deadbolt, she’d either seen it herself or heard about it.
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imo she had to know where Ron lived to get the kids when it was due her weekend to have them.So she new. just common sence in this case tells lots.

yeaaaaaa,remember the video with sheppard smith??????

Ron talked about the door and the lock to the media. I would hope they talked amongst themselves. In one of the interviews it was stated that they met elsewhere to pick up the children from one another. I believe it was said to be the McDonalds. Hope this helps.

But Ann,she wasn’t told these things!!

methinks said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm cathyjo, I too thought it was odd that crystal knew it was a dead bolt. hmmm she knew about the dead bolt but notthe time her child gets out of scholl? strange, kinda, unless her and ronald spoke alone about it and he confirmed to her about the deadbolt.

sorry!!!! Replied to this!

I was,lol pointing out the discrepencies!!!!

Ronald Cummings` attorneys are now claiming that Ron Jr.`s statements about the night Haleigh was taken were coaxed by his mother, Crystal Sheffield, and were a product of, quote, “shabby journalism.” Let`s look at the interview between Crystal Sheffield, Ron Jr., and Craig Rivera from March 2, 2009, for “Geraldo at Large.”

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHEFFIELD: Did you go back to sleep after the man took sissy or did you stay awake? Was you awake? No? But you heard the squeaky shoes? Sissy didn`t wake up when you took him — when he took her? No?

CRAIG RIVERA, FOX NEWS: No one told him to say that?

SHEFFIELD: Did anybody tell you to say that? No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, Mark, it`s hard to tell, because the child`s face is blurred for obvious reasons. We want to protect his identity. But I can`t make heads or tails out of what that child is saying, whether he`s saying that — I can`t tell.

EIGLARSH: Jane, I watched the…

HONOWITZ: And one thing, Jane…

EIGLARSH: I have seen the full version. I watched the unblurred version. And you don`t need to see the child`s face. You look at the techniques or lack thereof being implemented.

If this was truly an eye witness, and I have no idea, but if the child really saw something, investigators should have been called. They should have immediately taken that child into a room with someone who`s trained to handle this and extracted those facts raw.

This was contaminated. It was poisoned. And you know what? This is just fundamentally wrong. We`re supposed to be finding this girl.

AnneInTn said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 4:47 pm m2c♥ said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm Well if C did not know where R lived, and that was to have been her weekend with the children, then she would have had to be there two weeks before right? Had he moved in during the previous two weeks?
This is very confusing.

And as you say, if she >>knew about the deadbolt, she’d either seen it herself or heard about it.
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imo she had to know where Ron lived to get the kids when it was due her weekend to have them.So she new. just common sence in this case tells

This is what i was referring too

You know no 4 yr old talks like that!

Thank you, looking for justice! That explains it! They met elsewhere when it was her turn to have the children.

Now, what was she doing in Georgia? I suppose LE has checked all this out. It’s just the first time I’ve heard that.

Said he was stalking…was the word if I am not mistaken!

“Ron Cummings` lawyers were the first to release the full name of somebody [that] they claim they were told the authorities might be interested in contacting. They said, quote, ‘This office received information on March 25th, 2009 from an individual employed by a client of ours identifying Gregory Lewis Page as someone the police would be interested in contacting.’”

Perhaps, you also did not immediately get the “real” connection Greg had to Haleigh?

Crystal Sheffield: “And I asked him about it. And I was like, what about the black — the person dressed in black. He said it was a black man dressed in black and he had squeaky shoes, and the couch was bouncing. And that`s just what he told me. And I`m not lying, and I have no reason to lie.”

Could it be that the dallying connection was not originally apparent because Haleigh’s mother never quite said it that way before?

I was always: “When I seen him on my visitation, all he said was, I want to find my sissy, and he said something about somebody in black took her.”

And, …

“Yes. He — when I got him for my visitation, the first thing he said to me was, Mommy, I want to find my sissy. And he — I didn`t question him about none of it. And he was, like, Somebody come in, they was all dressed in black, and took my sissy.”

Now in the mist of a custody battle and a clear motive, the inconsistencies with Crystal Sheffield’s stories are becoming more apparent.

That could be why Ronald Cummings said that: “This is some of the garbage that Crystal, the mother, has made up.”

Yet according to Corba:

“Ron was convinced now, beyond any question of doubt, that she was not there. She wasn`t home, bro. She was out (EXPLETIVE DELETED) very possibly with (EXPLETIVE DELETED) again.”

“They claim she coached Haleigh`s little brother into saying he saw a man in black take her. But wouldn`t they want any lead to be taken seriously?”

I just want to clarify that I am interested in this information because I’d like to look at the other things that might have happened to Haleigh in case it was not M or R and in case they don’t know anything about it.

Among the possibilities I can think of are:
- Someone on Sheffield/Griffis side took her
- Tommy and/or Joe and/or someone else T knows hurt or took her either by accident or on purpose
- A stranger (someone they may or may not know but not necessarily a family member) took her.

Any others to add?

CathyJo – But remember, LE did give C a LDT and said she and R were not suspects (at that time). And supposedly LE has been on this road because of whatever it is they saw/found in the MH and Misty’s “inconsistencies.”

In any case, I’m still interested in other possibilities.

right,As long as they get the right person M2…I am withya!!!
What i get for listening to gossip cause i thought she said they never asked her to take one! in an interview?

wowwwwww!!!!!!!! What else can I say but ask you for a napkin to wipe the egg off my face….lol
But i’d have problems saying all that !! course i’m ole as dirt……lol

I’d say you spent alot of time too to encourage it.read to him,talk to him,teach him thing’s! etc…….

my dtr could have.lol but she stilled called her elbow an elboy,and you do not wanna know what she called pork n bean’s.omg!!

Hi… could someone be really kind and just give me a run-down of the latest rumblings/thoughts?
Thanks, Cent

LoL @ Adam’s.that remark resembles me!!

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 5:45 pm Tanya OHHHHH,I was talking about c,when sheppard smith asked her about the incident when she supposedly found Haleigh in the canal face down! she didn’t know what he meant!!!

Do you got a link?

oh and this one,she said she moved the HBC b/c seizures and couldn’t drive there??

But what will she do when she has to take Jr somewhere and if marie or whoever drives her?? then are they saying they won’t drive her to the HBC in the town her dtr went missing in??
Crazy!!!

amethinks said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 5:50 pm CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm I’d say you spent alot of time too to encourage it.read to him,talk to him,teach him thing’s! etc…….
——————————————————if this refers to my grandson…OMG did I ever read to him and encourage him, heck I used to wake him up very early and wewould take a tape recorder and go wake up the swamp. I have him on tape telling me how the kcattails say good morning…oops sorry off topic, I’m back now!lol

wwwwwwwwwww,I knew it tho!!!!And yes i was referring to you,sorry i confuse ppl everywhere!!

now if I was a drinkin’ woman…

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 5:56 pm tonya,ill go get it brb!

TY

Sorry took so long,watch it especially from 3:10 all the way and look howhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E32-t1uLY_M&feature=related odd!

see,its obvious that ? tore mg up!

Ann,that’s tthe one she says they did not give her a LDT,Though they may have after that!!!

How many yrs,?? if i may?

Right M2,certainly could,and thats what takes it back to Misty again,i think she’s lying only about not being home!

and frankly,how can it get worse for her??

so if any yall ever need an accommplice..lol don’t look at me!LoL

M2,Rightttt,both!!!!

I think about her bro even,what if he slipped her sommin and came back later having planned it and when no one woke up by the knocking,(im sure he’d knock to make sure it worked)did sommin to Haleigh and took her off somewhere,if he drugged her she prolly didn’t wake up!

witless program,that’s what i need to be in!!

What’s interesting to me, too, is that Tommy did not mention that he’d been to the MH that night for so long. Why? Because M was NOT there and he didn’t want to get her in trouble?
Or because he went in and stole stuff? Why?

I have no trouble believing that he went there.
If R called asking about M, that would have gotten him VERY curious. And being the sneak he is, he would go over there whether R asked him to or not. So if M was there and did not hear him, one of the children might have heard him and let him in!

I remember on a site i forget the name of it but a body language expert said that she think’s Misty really saw something bad b/c everytime she mention’s “i saw the door was open” that she had the look of disgust!! Makes ya wonder!

m2c♥ said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 6:35 pm What’s interesting to me, too, is that Tommy did not mention that he’d been to the MH that night for so long. Why? Because M was NOT there and he didn’t want to get her in trouble?
Or because he went in and stole stuff? Why?

I have no trouble believing that he went there.
If R called asking about M, that would have gotten him VERY curious. And being the sneak he is, he would go over there whether R asked him to or not. So if M was there and did not hear him, one of the children might have heard him and let him in!

I agree with alot but how do we know he didn’t take her key since they were gonna go to bed and he brought it back and propped door b/c he knew b4 he went in what he was gonna do!

m2 and it don’t look like he’d care to get her in trouble,lol ya know!hes tried!

because he hid it forever!!

You know if ron didn’t get an answer he no doubt assumed she was with that guy,maybe even in his home? B/c she had just came back to him after having the other guy and it’s odd she wouldn’t answer his calls b/c she would i think be trying to show him he could trust her again,know what I’m saying!!

No Adam’s,I don’t think many ppl believed her and it just died away..but nay nay said that’s why he’d beat Misty that night b/c she was???What M tolder anyway!

omy lord,this is sorta close to Ann’s theory too,that maybeeee m woke up as he was taking Haleigh out! and saw something horrific and was threatened with her life!!

Cathy,

I get what you’re saying, but by some accounts, Ron was so in “LOVE” with Misty that it didn’t matter about WBG. HE asked HER to come back, he married her anyway.

I personally believe that Ron didn’t know the full “extent” of that weekend folly, not until a few hours later, when police started questioning.

If I’m not mistaken, I thought it was reported that LE, informed Ron.

Someone Said:
You’re right is is about HaLeigh, and since the Cummings side of the family let her live in that trailer with an drug dealing dad and drug whore babysitter then I hold the entire family accountable and wouldn’t want to be anywhere near the one’s responsible for my baby girl’s demise.

Crystal did not let her live in that trailor?
Her mother was not responsible for what happens to her? Oh, that right her mother said
“cause I aint know they were in danger”
Sure seems to me Crystal Knew exactly what was going on in that home. Even if she knew nothing about her five year old daughter.

cnt I thought naynay said she showed ron a preg test and he flipped out saying it wasn’t his, but I also heard it was naynays sisters preg test and misty wasn’t preggos at all cha cha cha

David, dang straight she knew what was goin’ on in dat’der’ housa ill repute! it was probably happening in her house too, if the truth betold.

he hadn’t married her till after,I prolly confused you too.lol but I am saying,Ok….she went out with this guy right? just came back to ronald that night,soooooo ,one would think she’d answer the phone call from ron just to reassure him she was home and not with the guy?

I mean i was married 25 yrs and my hubbyknew me well,but if i’d went on a weekender with another man,I would answer his call if he called 1000 times so he’d know he don’t have to worry…….hard on a man or a woman and he had to go to work,he couldn’t stay home to watch her,lol but you know he worried ,if she was with him,and especially after he called but no answer!

YES, he worried, and that IS what she wanted him to do!!!

What better way to get back at the boyfriend, KEEP HIM GUESSING/WORRIED/JEALOUS… Teenage girl stuff.

He’d already forgave her,he had the money soooo she’d have answered!

Yes, she would be proud having a older man. But most young girls pride themselves when the man is chasing after them.

yes,the other guy told her to bring them!

What other guy… NayNay said Misty asked her if she had any condoms after she got off the phone with Ron, right before she dropped Misty off.

Why send it to Washington, I don’t know? Makes no sense to me, unless all LDT were sent there.

Art Harris’ articles has harmed this case with the write ups, rumors and lies. He has produced bombshells and some exclusives, appreciate that, but can’t overlook the damage and intent you can so obviously see and hear when you see him.

Amennnnnnn!!!!!!

take it with a grain of salt.lol

teenagers play those games,lol and each other so she would answer,its prolly like wowwwwwww both will gimme anything i want,they love me..sorta…IMO

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 7:31 pm Why send it to Washington, I don’t know? Makes no sense to me, unless all LDT were sent there.

Right,I don’t get that either!

I don’t see Art that way, sure there is sensationalism, but that’s true with anyone that reports on this case. People can/do go over the top. Yet, I feel everyone here/there can decide for themselves exactly how/what makes sense to them. His “words” do not dictate my opinions.

and when it quit making sense,i came over here and goshhh!! almost like a cult over there,lol sorry but IMO it was!

It’s a dirty thing to do,its hard to trust ppl but sometimes harder for ppl who have a hard time trusting anyway and then do that to them and if Misty was sexually molested as a child I know she had that issue to live with!

Bingooo,knew i forgot something but TM should be ashamed!thats why i said anyone!

was referring to Treece,sorry

All we can do is wait and see!! LoL

IMHO…I think both could take some lesson’s from Cobra!

CathyJo, I have a very hard time following your posts. They are so random and off kilter sometimes…If you post cryptic responses, it just muddies the water for those of us that are having or viewing a conversation. Of course, I have not, and promised myself I would not, post another response on this blog, but you are just off the charts sometimes with your random babblings…It is very confusing. Please compose your thoughts before arbitrarily replying. TY…MOO

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 7:56 pm Ahhhh Ummmmm, anyways… did anyone notice a comment on youtube re: WTTJ video??
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Yes i read the comments. Ummm!!!

Anne, what’cha make of it???

as it comes to mind i type it.sorry if it bothers you! But i know you will come back with something else so do not speak to me! as I know i won’t you! I’m sick of this being put here to attempt to get it closed down or satisy your childish ways! TY

/Me wonder’s why it always comes in 2′s

Nothing,sorry…was thinkin out loud

DOES NG REALLY BELIEVE THAT MISTY, TOMMY AND FAMILY, DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY WERE BEING RECORDED/VIDEOED, DURING THEIR HOUR LONG VISITS?

Cathy what are you talking about??? I have no idea of what you’re talking about.. I am always me and the people here can vouch for that!! I don’t even know Blue moon, but if you feel that way, then I won’t address you ever.

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 7:41 pm I don’t see Art that way, sure there is sensationalism, but that’s true with anyone that reports on this case. People can/do go over the top. Yet, I feel everyone here/there can decide for themselves exactly how/what makes sense to them. His “words” do not dictate my opinions.

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:10 pm /Me wonder’s why it always comes in 2’s
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:11 pm What comes in 2’s

CathyJo63 said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:12 pm Nothing,sorry…was thinkin out loud

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:14 pm okie dokie…. Cathy, I could not find your post about the buffalo hooves and socks.. How did it go again?

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 7:59 pm CathyJo63 said,
in February 2nd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

IMHO…I think both could take some lesson’s from Cobra!

beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in February 2nd, 2010 at 7:56 pm

Ahhhh Ummmmm, anyways… did anyone notice a comment on youtube re: WTTJ video??
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:01 pm Anne, what’cha make of it???

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 7:48 pm I read his stuff, and post sometimes. I have said favorable junk about MR&Mrs… never had a problem.

Every post u make is argumentative only toward my post’s so dont play dumb…..every word is negative!
And u know exactly what???????
Now do me a coutesy,do not speak to me!

Anne,Kool said it is true about the bank acct!! You mentioned!

She is not even Arguing with the RIGHT person!!!

Oh Yeah Mc2 It IS really hard following Cathy’s wacko posts!!! NO ONE in their right mind would know what in the world she is talking about…Don’t Bow down, just because you have a “Fan” do what is right..m2c..I KNOW you are smarter than that!

Cathy, I just saw your 8:37 post and I really do think cent was just discussing these things with you. Offering her point of view, which in some cases was different than yours.
I truly don’t think it was ill-intended.

Often we don’t leave a comment saying we agree. So that’s one reason the dis-agreements may stand out more than they should. Believe it or not someone jumped on me for “wasting blog space” for posting that I agreed with someone! LOL!

BlueMoon, I’m trying to straighten out what I perceive to be a misunderstanding. And I would very sincerely rather read posts that are somewhat difficult to follow but are in good spirit and well-intentioned than short, concise, easy to understand nasty mean-spirited and hurtful comments from people who not only want power over WHAT people say but want power over HOW they say it. But that’s just me.

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm AnneInTn said,
in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 8:01 pm Anne, what’cha make of it???
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IMO I see threats in that Video and you?
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Yes, I see threats, but is that really KP leaving a comment to Papa?
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We dont know that. Anyone can use anyone nick.

People lets just focus on Haleigh here.

Anne,
That’s true, my sister noticed it, and I told her I couldn’t really see KP doing that. But you never know, I can’t understand why LE hasn’t had it removed….. especially the end credits/shout-outs.

Sorry, everyone. My computer is so slow tonight it took forever to post my last comment so I didn’t see the ones before.
I would not have posted it if I had seen them. Jan, feel free to remove it (@ 8:59PM).

See? Now it’s posted twice. I don’t know why.

Anyway, back to Haleigh.

And I’m glad, Anne, that you reminded me that anyone can use anyone’s nic (re the previous topic). I took it at face value at first but hard to believe an attorney would post that kind of thing. Don’t you think? But then of course with THAT attorney, who knows?

Still trying to figure out why NG seems to think that they had no idea they were taped during visit.

She doesent. NG is simply trying to get ratings by sensationalizing. My bet, if I were a betting gal (and I am), there will be NOTHING revealed on these tapes to indicate where or who has Haleigh. Just a lot of speculation about how each word can be interpreted, of course in the worse light possible. Not that I dont like NG, I do, its just sometimes she makes something of nothing.

CathyJo, Where did you go?I do like your posts here and I do follow what your post say.

Jan, PLEASE send me a personal email…I will provide you with the address if you don’t already have it.

All that came out of left field… and as far as I’m concerned, it can keep on traveling. I know why I come here everyday, and NO ONE can say otherwise. I know my heart!!!

Yep Left field is right!! Where is CathyJO??

Cent, you did nothing wrong I think CathyJo misunderstood you. I think she thought you were making fun of her sayings. I know you weren’t, you liked them and thought they are cute. She just misunderstood, you are sweet and have a heart for Haleigh. Don’t let it bother you. I am hoping CathyJo will re read the post later and realize you were not making fun of her. She is for Haleigh too, we are all just ready for closure.

I believe that everyone on here is well intentioned. I also know how emails and blogs can EASILY be misinterpreted/misunderstood. When we email/blog, the recipient does not hear our tone of voice or see our facial expressions. As a result, the most innocent of emails or blogs can be misinterpreted as a slight.

Can we ask that a blogger clarify what he/she means if we feel that blogger is “attacking”? I would bet that once clarified, all will see it was simply a misunderstanding.

Peace to all

Bonanza, great advice, asking for clarity instead of assuming will avoid a lot of misunderstandings!!!!!

methinks, happy anniversary!!!! oops you’re busted!!!

night all, I gotta’ go hang the hubs…oops, I mean hang OUT WITH the hubs!LOL

I’m sorry Blue moon, I really hope you change your mind, I really enjoy your posts and I feel alittle responsible for leading (for lack of a better word) her out there. again, I apologize.

cathyjo63, I hope my posts didn’t confuse you. You have alot of good thoughts and ideas, even if you sometimes have a hard time getting them out there..I know from experience…it happens to me as well. I type as I am thinking and sometimes it’s hard to follow. goodnight and I hope we can chat again tommorrow.

No you didn’t confuse me m2,youre being honest but I am gonna get off here tonight and I’ll see you guy’s later! Goodnite!!

have a good night all! night sweet Haleigh.

Blue Moon said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 pmI will never come back here.

Blue Moon said,in February 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 pmI will never come back here.

hello blue moon, i hope that is not true! i don’t know if you know who i am, as i don’t post consistently. i have noticed your posts, and although, we don’t always agree, i appreciate your giving me something to think about.

ok, I guess I’m really late….

katfish:

It was Tami Peters Smith that was arrested on interference with parental custody, and forgery, and attempting to interfere with parental custody. I thought she was tied up in all of this. Her husband hasn’t been arrested, and I don’t know anymore details.

katfish:

NG says they are releasing hours and hours of tapes of Misty talking in jail. Her parents have visited her, and she is scared to death about these charges. Under the sunshine law in Fl., they are supposed to release them to the press within a certain amount of time. I don’t know about the other information that you mentioned. LE seems to do whatever they want to do in this case. NG says Misty is talking and talking. I don’t know that she has told them what they want to know, however.

Tami Smith I believe is suppose to have tried to get a male cousin to forge or falsify some documents, I think in relations to adoption.

Kat, I really do know for security purpose and especially for outside Appts, it was a hush hush move/housing. As far as visiting goes, I recall special days/time/area for AdSeg. Even Max Classified Inmates get to get their thrills.

Treece:

Are you doing O.K. I don’t mind giving you my e-mail.

I wonder how deep Tami Smith is into all of this? She may have gotten in too deep and couldn’t back out without admitting her guilt. She pulled some sneaky, underhanded stunts to get their other adopted child.

Karon, I am doing great. Ready for Haleigh to be found, like everyone else. How about you? I sent you a PM.
Thank you, Treece

Ms P, I am dizzy too. I thought it was from all the circus acts that have surrounded this Haleigh case. lol

Whatever happened, their lifestyle was a perfect atmosphere for disaster.

It is still shocking and hard to believe that Ron, Misty and Tommy are going to prison for a long time.

ms.peridot:

I didn’t see that post you are talking about.

Annie:

It is hard to think of Haleigh gone. I hope I am wrong.

I hope they keep talking, because loose lips sink ships. Eventually, something will come out.

Karon that should read mystery couple not ouple.
NG said something about during Misty’s visit with Lindsay, Misty discussed not wanting to take care of the kids because she was burn’t out from her wild weekend….offered to pay if RC was ok with it. NG spent the better part of the hour discussing those stupid visit tapes that she didn’t even have yet….slow news night I guess.

ms.

I believe Ron has told LE everything he knows, and that Misty probably has done the same. My #1 suspect is Tommy.

thank you treece and me for your opinions!

katfish i got the widget on my igoogle page. thank you!

ms.peridot19-Glad to hear you got it!

ms.peridot:

I will be sitting on the fence until the police arrest someone, because I don’t think any of us know for sure, and I feel it is up to a jury to convict them, not me. I have learned to let myself off the hook on that one.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2010/01/ronald-cummings-jailhouse-interview.html
Eye for Lies 1-28-10

“Ronald Cummings Jailhouse Interview: Part 1″
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An analysis of Ronald Cummings.

Good morning all, I see no tapes released yet. Has anyone heard from HollysGmom? She was posting rather ominously the other day and I haven’t seen her back on. I hope all is ok.

Thanks, m2c, well NG said on her show last night they were listening to the tapes from the jailhouse then, wonder when we will hear them? Soon, I hope. I was very disappointed to read that teresa even offered to pay Misty to watch the kids that fateful night. I can’t begin to imagine how she is beating herself up over that decision, if Teresa had offered to take them for the night, things would have turned out so differently, IMO

Hi, DramaQueen!
I can’t remember now where/when I read it but I believe that M said she wanted to babysit someone else’s kids (for money). So that may be why TN offered to pay her.
I don’t think TN necessarily knew why M didn’t want to babysit Haleigh and Jr.
If M presented it to her as wanting to babysit other kids for the $, then that explains why TN offered her the money. I don’t think TN ever imagined it was because M was too tired, wanted to party again, had a hook-up to get drugs or whatever the REAL reason was. Just a possibility.

Mornin’ Spydee! I think maybe a post of yours did not appear. I don’t see a recent one before your 8:42am (which intrigues me!)

good point, m2c, but if Misty had planned to sit for someone else, how far in advance had thos plans been made, and why did Teresa suddenly want to unmake them? Had she offered to watch Haleigh and Jr so Misty could make some money sitting elsewhere? If so, why did she want the plans to change? As always, every time we find something out, it only raises more questions. And why is Lindsey just now recounting this conversation with Misty a year later? Is she, for some reason, making the story up to try and take some of the heat off Misty, in return, Misty will be quiet about something about Tommy? I only get more confused as each day goes by.

It seemed so simple in the beginning. I thought I knew what happened, and whodunnit. I still think I know what happened, and whodunnit, but that would mean a lot of coverup by alot of people, and I find it hard to believe……….but stranger things have happened.

DramaQueen:
Where are you reading about what Lindsey has said recently? I want to be sure to be on the same page with you.

If it’s about babysitting that night it is not new.

My impression from before was: I don’t think there were any plans for TN to “unmake.” I have not heard anything to indicate that TN knew anything earlier about M wanting to babysit other kids. I think M had a fight with R about it. Then maybe talked to TN. And if M gave the excuse that she wanted to do it for the money, then that’s why TN offered to pay her. TN wasn’t changing anything on M. Vice versa! After living with R and taking care of the kids all that time, THAT night she didn’t want to!
So apparently M who did not want to have to stay at the MH that night (I guess) or the whole night.

If any of that is true – that M wanted to get out of babysitting Haleigh and Jr that night – then WHY? Did she really want to babysit someone else’s kids? If so, WHY? Or did she have other plans? And if so what were they?
Did the “plans” cause her to leave the children alone, or have someone over to the MH or did she get some drug and zonk herself out or maybe gave up and really did Zonk out.

How about anyone else? I can see it. hmmmm

There was talk way early into the case that the arguement at 8:30 between Ron and Misty was because she wanted to babysit someone elses kids. That is the only time I heard this.moo

I went to the link what is so unussual about it? Maybe I missed something?

Thanks Jan!!

To me what is so exciting is that Haleigh is on it. There are 1000′s of missing people that aren’t there, it’s just more great publicity for Haleigh.

What is this about TN telling Misty she would pay her to babysit. Kinda makes sense now how she knew about Misty being exhasted and about how she knew Ron and Misty were argueing on Sunday night. This just keeps getting more and more interesting how people left out important details to cover what was going on. moo

I do have my doubts that anyone took Haleigh because they wanted a child of their own. Most would in my opinion want a healthy child and one that was very young so they would not remember their past parents and relatives. Like baby Gabrial I think someone has him because they couldnt adopt legally. moo

treece said,in February 3rd, 2010 at 11:32 am

To me what is so exciting is that Haleigh is on it. There are 1000’s of missing people that aren’t there, it’s just more great publicity for Haleigh
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Absolutely! And the front page of the Wanted by – section. And out of all the people they could have picked to profile for the “Missing” part. WOW

Praying for Haleigh and keeping the faith.

Going for now. Bye all.

Tobias, Haleigh was far from being healthy. And what? Someone wandering by just decided thhis is the girl? IDK, I guess it ould have happened, shades of Jaycee Dugard, but in reality, that would be well what would the odds be of something like that happening? And LE has maintained all along it was not a stranger abduction, so who would have her that would be known to at least some of the family? The people they hung around with were not exactly society movers and shakers

Yes that is what is said and in past video TN states that she knew Misty was exhasted and that they had been argueing Sunday night. Thats why I can believe the statement. TN had all the info of that Sunday night arguement and what Misty had been up to on the weekend and was exhausted. It really only makes you wonder one thing why did they leave Misty watch the kids? And why hide it ? moo

Hi, DramaQueen! Yes, I found it! I think it’s very important for people to go read that article for themselves because I found it extremely confusing-especially about when M supposedly told Lindsey this (it seems AFTER Haleigh went missing) and also which night M was referring to. If you look at the wording of M’s supposed remarks, it seems to me she was talking about Sunday night.

Here are two excerpts that concern me:
1) AH: “The night Misty at first refused to babysit Haleigh was Sunday night, Feb. 8, about 30 hours before she reported Haleigh missing. That night, sources close to the case tell me she told police she and Ronald stayed up all night fighting, and overslept.”

2) (paraphrased – what Lindsey says M told her AFTER Haleigh went missing)

M: “I didn’t want to even watch the kids that night because I was too tired from partying that weekend,” Then, M supposedly told her that TN offered to pay her to watch them but M said “no, I’ll go home and watch them if it’s okay with Ronald.”
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“Go home and watch them?” (Go home from where and when?)
“If it’s okay with Ronald?” When did she say this? Where was she when she supposedly said this? If it was Monday, she’d already been with Ron the previous night and Monday morning and supposedly thru Monday until he went to work. So it’s all very confusing and a little fishy to me until it’s clarified.

Also, I thought it was reported that M wanted to babysit someone else’s children that night for $ ?? Or maybe that was rumor at the time.
Anyway, I’m not going to jump to any conclusions about this until more is clarified and confirmed.

M2C, I remember that we discussed this very topic awhile back. I cant remember what tape it was on but I also remember that it was for her brother Timmy that she was going to babysit for. And that was the arguement on the phone at 8:30 when she later turned the phone off. moo

sorry I meant butts not bus lol

I meant “Thank you for reminding me! And you’re right!”

TN might feel a tremendous amount of guilt about not wanting to watch the kids so misty could sleep or what ever and maybe thats why she was defending misty so strongly for so long.

Tobias I agree with you. Why not mention GGSykes and the aunt?
m2c I agree with you I am also confused about TN wanting to pay Misty to babysit if it was ok with Ronald? Why was none of this mentioned earlier on. This story just dont set well with me. When Misty tells the story of that Monday she paints them to be a happy family and they are back playing house together and all the troubles are behind them until Haleigh came up missing. Perhaps it was mentioned to LE but it was not released to the public. I also noticed that it stated that Haleigh was tardy that day. One of Rons concerns due to he may lose custody.
I hope we hear Misty talk about this in her tapes and we may get a better understanding.

Tobias you had asked a question earlier about kindergartener schedule for school. They go all day, five days a week. Now here in my county Wednesdays are a modified day where the schools let out 1 hour early. I am not sure if Putnam has a modified schedule. School usually runs from 7:55 am until 3:05pm. About five years ago the state decided to extend school hours by one hour. I guess it was do to the FCAT testing scores.

I hope they are shown in their entire form and not chopped up to hide some facts, that is what I am worried about with Nancy Grace. I would like to see them on here before I make an opinion. moo

She would still mention that she came and left the clothes? It is real odd in my opinion.

Hi Gang… please direct me to/on TN wanting to pay MC… First I’ve heard of it. I thought M wanted to babysit someone else’s kids for pay!?! Rt now, I can’t go back and read every post, please give me the gist.

Methinks I am with you on that. This just gets more and more bizarre. I just would of never thought that Teresa Neves would of wanted Misty watching her grandchildren after such a binder that she had been on. This makes no sense to me.

I wont comment any more until I see the tapes .
What else is she finally going to reveal thats the question I have. moo

Methinks Thanks! I watched NG last night for a while and sort of tuned her out.

Tobias said,in February 3rd, 2010 at 12:48 pm In a way you have to kinda feel sorry for TN if she let Misty babysit instead of doing it herself. She probably feels guilty but she should have not covered that up either. moo
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxGosh tobias, me too…I know I wouldn’t be able to live with myself. My heart goes out to her. I’ve had my doubts in the past about TN,but being a grandma myself, I now shed special tears for her.

Yes, the whole laundry thing is a mess. I mean to me laundry is one of the easiest household chores to do! LOL! Ya put it in the washer, take it out, then put it in the dryer and take it out. EASY!
LOL!

Good afternoon, Tobias I think this business about the babysitting might go somewhere.

I really wish Misty hadn’t let herself get pulled into selling those pills. If I understand correctly, there would be mandatory sentencing–25 years? If so, does anyone know when would she be eligible for probation?

Looks like Ron wasn’t being an informant to get Misty questioned.

How many lives are going to be ruined before this is all over? Will it ever be over?

JMO

alethea said,in February 3rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm Good afternoon, Tobias I think this business about the babysitting might go somewhere.

I really wish Misty hadn’t let herself get pulled into selling those pills. If I understand correctly, there would be mandatory sentencing–25 years? If so, does anyone know when would she be eligible for probation?

xxxxxxxxxxxxx I really don’t think misty was pulled into anything. It appears to me, judging from the police reports that misty was the “jr king pin”. She appears to be in charge. I think she was way into the dealing business long before her and ron ever got together.

I was going back through you tube videos on the case and one really bothers me alot. Its the one of Chelsea and the van where she points a finger at Joe. Why do that when you had him as a guest for several weeks staying in your home? Or was it just convienent because he was in Tennessee and couldnt rebute what was being said. This family is really muddying the waters and I have to ask WHY? moo

Tobias, I still wonder if ron was an informant in the past. Look at all the drug charges he had dismissed or not charged with. Of course, he may have actually been innocent or they didn’t have enough to make them stick but I wouldn’t think LE would be that sloppy to bring charges that wouldn’t stick. JMO or moo, teehee I like the moolol

I also went way back in the videos and on the 17th of Feb. they were starting to close this case down, at least thats the opinion of some on the video. Is this when Cobra showed up? Is this why it never went cold? Just a thought after watching the video. Its the one where TN and Misty are sitting together. Misty has a red jacket on. Misty looks very bad in the video too . imo

I dont think the tapes are exclusive to Nancy Grace so I will wait until they show up here and we see the full video. Nancy may only show bits and pieces of them.moo

Tobias said,
in February 3rd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

I also went way back in the videos and on the 17th of Feb. they were starting to close this case down, at least thats the opinion of some on the video. Is this when Cobra showed up? Is this why it never went cold? Just a thought after watching the video. Its the one where TN and Misty are sitting together. Misty has a red jacket on. Misty looks very bad in the video too . imo
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No, Cobra showed up in Mar., around the 12th and that’s when Kim was called to come in to help..

Hello All…Theres a new thread up.

I wonder if anyone knows enough about this drug situation to have an idea of whether or not it ever happens that the drug dealer is not an actual user himself? How unusual would that be? Just curious. Thank you.

i was a friend of donnas for a short time until i discovered she had a drug problem and was crazy. i knew when i heard she was involved that drugs were involved. she use to live in nc with her husband and son. her daughter has had major problems with donna. she actualy bragged to me about beating up her daughter reffering to her as a little b. donna was a dental assistant but was fired. she started dancing again after that. she started traveling to strip. this women is very sick mean and manipulitive. when i told her i could no longer see her because of the things she was doing she threatened hurt me. i was a bit scared of her. she is where she needs to be. i wish her husband brad well and her kids. i hope they know they are wonderful kids and their mother walking away from them was not their fault. i pray for the innocent victims involved in all of this. i hope misty isnt scared of her like i was and tells the truth of who was in charge of this drug dealing mess they are all in.