This past Sunday were two good radio shows, and hopefully pressure is mounting inside this case. Keep trying, somewhere in all this drama, lies some truth and learning these people will only help to put the pieces together. Keeping professional and fair til we have concrete facts of evidence keeps the sane people interested and the family/players willing to talk and interview. Thanks for not bashing any of the family, we have to leave the doors open for communication.

Tuff Stuff said,in January 5th, 2010 at 12:44 pm Thinking back on Ron’s statements to the responding officers,
It is surprising to me that Ron made the claim that “someone” had taken his Child at all let alone to add that it was a “him” that “took” her…
For all Ron knew at that point, Haleigh could have simply walked to a neighbor’s home to get away from Misty for that matter.
hmm.
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Um, no, SHE WAS 5 yrs old AND SCARED OF THE DARK. I have a 6 yr old that is scared of the dark, and she ain’t going no where alone at night, not even the bathroom. I would know too that someone had taken her if I came home and she was gone.

I keep going back to the beginning, sure the clues are there, the door being propped open, the laundry being done, the bed not being slept in, the argument between Ron and Misty earlier, the previous party weekend, and the words out of Ron;s own mouth, if I find out who took her, I will kill HIM. Maybe just a generality, because we surely never suspect a woman would do something to a child, but we all know it happens. It all has been swirling around in my head for months now, and all I wonder is where is Haleigh? Is she ok? Is someone taking care of her? If not, why can’t they find her? Three dogs hit on a near by dumpster, not one, not two, but three. Was it as simple as someone Misty might have run across during that “wild” weekend who over heard she was living with a man who had a small daughter? Did she even know at that point she would be returning to Ron’s house? I doubt it. So that sort of counts that out for me. But if someone that she ran into that weekend HEARD she went back home, how would they have known to count on the fact that she would be so passed out that night, they couldn’t have known she and Ron stayed up all night talking. And would they have known Ron’s hours? I always thought Ron had to work the overtime hours unexpectedly, but then was told he had been doing it for some time.

I don’t know.

My gut tells me that yes, a stranger could have come into the home and taken Haleigh, but logic tells me that that didn’t happen, it would have had to be the “perfect crime” with all the stars and the sun and planets coming into alignment at the same time…….you get my drift?

I do not doubt for one moment that Ron Cummings loves his children. I don’t doubt that even Misty might have held some affection for them. I don’t think that something intentional happened to Haleigh, I believe that whatever happened was a terrible, tragic accident. I wish the parties involved, and I believe there are only two, three at the most, would step forward and own their guilt. But I think, and this is my own opinion, I think that the responsible parties have been getting away with not owning their guilt about alot of things for alot of years, and they believe that what’s done is done and no reason for everyone to go down with the ship. I know that sounds harsh, but there are people in this world who have no conscience, and will do anything, or nothing, to save their own skin simply because making a confession won’t change anything.

That being said, I don’t think this case will ever be solved. I don’t think she will ever be found, and without Haleigh, no one will ever be charged for whatever happened to her.

I am, at times, enough of a romantic to believe that she is living out her life with people who love her, and will take care of her, and give her a chance. The there are other times I am enough of a realist to know that this probably didn’t happen.

If the sheer power of people caring could bring her home, she would be back by now, and the people who blog here so faithfully would be largely responsible for that.

Did Ron for sure say him and not ‘em? I’m going to shoot ‘em. I say it all the time,just my southern dialect I guess,LOL

Even Crystal and Marie said she would never go outside in the dark.

Tuff Stuff said,in January 5th, 2010 at 1:05 pm My own Children are scared of the dark but yet when they think they are in danger of any sort they will go to places they are normally fearful of to get away from what they believe is some form of current danger. So the “um, no” doesn’t quite work for me.
The thing that bothers me most is that all possibilities of it being something less that being “taken” by a “him” didn’t even seem to be a consideration. It appears to have gone straight to her being taken by a “him”.
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Whatever, I don’t really care “what works for you.” My child has never been “in danger” nor do I believe Haleigh thought she was “in danger” that night, she was 5 years old not 15. I don’t think most people stop and consider all the “possibilities” of who took their child when they come home and find her gone. I’m sure RC did not consider that his every word would be analyzed to death on the internet. Geezus.

Wow Karen that was rather dismissive. Thanks. I thought we had a good conversation going. I live in an area where there are wild critters snakes, coyotes, scorpions etc… My Children will and have run out into the dark outside at night when any one of those creatures may possibly venture into our home. It has happened more than once. (Vinagaroos are not much fun neither.)

no, 5 year olds don’t just leave, or walk off to get away from someone. No, Haleigh didn’t leave to get away from Misty. Ridiculous. She’s five people. Someone came in the middle of the night and removed Haleigh. Period. That’s a fact.

That is a fact, kool and it had to be someone she knew

I think some time must have elapsed – even mere seconds – but some time between when Ron got home and found out Haleigh was gone and when we hear him over the phone. So her being taken by “him” or “‘em” may not have been his first or only thought before we hear him saying that.
But I can believe that to Ron it was most likely – he knows his daughter and that she doesn’t like the dark and at the time did not think that Misty did anything to her. So, somebody taking her was the most likely thing.

Jail Deputy Charged with Child Sex Abuse in Baker Co.I wanted to share this.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6038212.php

tuff said, I agree with you 5 year olds are very adventurous. In the daytime, some even at night. But, what we have learned about the relationships and personalities of these people and Haleigh, she didn’t leave. Someone took her out that home. We just don’t know who. Ron’s response to the officer, most of us do think of crimes being committed by males. Today, females are committing like crimes moreso than in the past.

I just don’t think we ought to hold everything as pure concrete stone that was flowing out of his mouth as soon as he got home, He was pumped big time. Rightfully.

I don’t think Misty is the key,I think she’s the fall girl and the weak link to point at.

HaLeigh/Caylee
Ann Marie/Marie
both birthdays in August
HaLeigh was taken early morning of Caylee’s Memorial

This was thought up and planned,question is by who or how many people?I believe it even more now.

Tuff Stuff said “Thinking back on Ron’s statements to the responding officers,
It is surprising to me that Ron made the claim that “someone” had taken his Child at all let alone to add that it was a “him” that “took” her…
For all Ron knew at that point, Haleigh could have simply walked to a neighbor’s home to get away from Misty for that matter.
hmm.”

Yes, in this respect the case has striking similarities to the disappearance of Maddie McCann. Her parents have maintained from the offset that their daughter was abducted; never once have they considered the idea that she might have wandered off!! Despite the cadaver dog indications within the apartment…

DramaQueen @ 3:38 – Yes, I’ve wondered about the bed wetting too since others said she hadn’t done that in a while. One reason could be that she got an awful fright. Another that she was hit/hurt. But why would Misty mention it if she (or something bad) had caused it?Perhaps in case Ron noticed that her bed had been re-made with fresh sheets? Perhaps in case the wet bedding was found?

Misty says she did that when she put Haleigh to bed, right? So supposedly Haleigh wet the bed the night before? Am I remembering that correctly? If so, then why hadn’t anyone noticed the wet bed all day? Oh, well, I guess we know Misty’s housekeeping wasn’t going to win any prizes.

But yes it’s worried me too.

Bradford said,in January 5th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

“Yes, in this respect the case has striking similarities to the disappearance of Maddie McCann. Her parents have maintained from the offset that their daughter was abducted; never once have they considered the idea that she might have wandered off!! Despite the cadaver dog indications within the apartment…”

Right. Possible that there is both a male and female suspect in that case. Just thinking out loud. Where do you believe they could have taken their Daughter?
(Oops my appologies, this thread is for Haleigh.)

Hi, Jules @ 4:17 -
I know plenty of people said that Misty and Haleigh loved each other etc. But Haleigh could be a handfull as most 5 year olds and we know Misty asked Ron how to cope with her on at least one occasion and the answer was “smack” her or something. I can also see Misty driven to the “edge” and just smacking her a little too hard, over she goes, hits her head and that’s it. Brother is called, etc etc.
No one the wiser.
I wish we had phone records but of course the cops do so they should know who she called that night.

I am only mentioning this as a theory not to try to talk anyone into it. Just one explanation of what could have happened. I also believe it’s perfectly possible that an RSO took Haleigh. Just because the known local RSOs were accounted for doesn’t mean another one wasn’t around.

I think using “him” would be right. It is usually a man who abducts a child for wrongful sex. If it was my child I might expect the worse, and I would be really upset and talking off the top of my head. I wouldn’t worry if I was offending men by saying “he” when trying to describe my child’s abduction to LE.

blstarke: Yes a possibility. By money trail do you mean the miraculously paid back custody payments or the efforts to collect donations or something else?

And that Ron says him because he knows the him or suspects a certain him ? jmo

Also her shoes are there. Whoever took her left her shoes or brought them back without her. jmo

I have a question that has beeen bugging me.
If Lyndsy was at school or work that night until around 10 did she drive herself or did Tommy need to pick her up? The van was at Timmys house so that only left the red truck at Tommys. If he picked her up they need to check the route he took to get her.jmo

Tobias, I had never even considered that. Also did someone else drop her off and if so whom?

Truce.

I believe that in the heat of the moment things get said that can be very telling about a persons true feelings and then they try to cover it up and say they were just under pressure. jmo

I dont see the point of a public dissection of every bowel movement Misty and Ronald have. I am waiting to see one thing (anything) that can be used to point LE in the correct direction(s)to finding Haleigh. So far I have seen nothing but a soap opera, high drama hijinks, nothing more, and certainly nothing that would help in finding Haleigh. Yes, looking at everything IS the correct thing to do in an investigation, however, lets not forget it has been close to a year, and still no direction for LE. LE HAS looked at everything said and done by Misty and Ron on the night Haleigh disappeared. They have obviously concluded at this point that there is no one to arrest, hold for more questioning, and more importantly—-NO ONE TO HELP THEM TO FIND HALEIGH. Unfortunately, the longer the wait, the less the chance of ever solving this case.

The thing is ,Ron did not suspect Crystal from the start. If he would have, he would have said she or her instead of him or he. jmo

Bonanzajellybean – I agree. It’s so sad but I really don’t think they’re any closer to an answer than they were that first night.
But who knows? We can only hope!

Also funny how with all the interviews NG did she never asks Ron about those calls. She talked about them to Art Harris and the panel but never to Ron directly WHY IS THAT? IMHO

Good Night Tobias. Will do.

Here’s my theory. . .

Misty had some ‘Tom Cat’ (boy/man) stop by. She leaves with him (may not have left the trailer park but leaves the house) after the kids are asleep. When her brother, Tommy, comes over to do a ‘welfare’ check at the request of Ronald, he sees the back screen door propped. He goes into investigate and realizes Misty isn’t there. He then seizes the moment and either takes Haleigh then or parks the van in a remote wooded area which scratches the van and comes back on foot to get Haleigh (which would explain the child foot print).

Misty claims she was there that night with such confidence because she didn’t leave the trailer park. .she was sucking face in a car in the dark.

Why is it people always say the woman is like this,when the guys are the same,multiple partners and such?It’s a way of life there with most of the friends and relatives,not just one person.If you go by the drugs and violence with most of them,none of them should have anymore kids.Cute kids,too bad their parents don’t change thier lifestyles for thier kids sakes.

Dan,

The second part of your post is completely inaccurate. The mother didn’t show up at noon. She initially thought that it was a joke because she was in shock.

4 Pirate…who is Coele?

Peggy, maybe…It is a very detailed opinion….and do we KNOW that they “knocked them out” with meds on a regular basis? Maybe they did,that would explain the bedwetting. And it would explain the washing of the blanket, etc. We all know, when someone passes, they lose control of their bowels…
I have something else, another theory, but I am still working on it. I see a lot of unfamilar folks here tonight…you all from Putnam County by any chance????

Bluemoon, Iget what you are saying. Spacificaly about the narc thing. I think Ron is and has been, her in Ks. the only reason someone can be busted an get away with that many buswt tis to be a narc. We just had a guy, Gary Emery, that was along time thug got off on everything, messed up and went into a county that could care less and is doing 10 yrs

Tuff Stuff said,
in January 5th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

Kool,
You said:

“Someone took her out that home. We just don’t know who. Ron’s response to the officer, most of us do think of crimes being committed by males. Today, females are committing like crimes moreso than in the past.”

I most definately agree with you there. No doubt about it! Just look at the Sandra Cantu case.
I still wonder why Ron didn’t call Crystal Scheffield right away to rule out the possibility that she may have come over that night and taken Haleigh herself.
I agree with you 100% on that aspect.
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It wasn’t like it was hours before she was called, he got home at 3:27 and Crystal was called at 3:49.He was busy with the police in the meantime.

I was going to post to the Crystal haters….

Skeptic got to it before me and posted just how I feel… Thanks Skeptic

@dan please get your fact together before you start bashing a mother of a little missing girl..you remind me of a poster name Player.

@bluemoon I agree with Ron being a narc and some of your theory.

IMO the disappearance of precious HaLeigh happen in Putnam county and under care of Misty and Ron. If a Shefield was involve than I be looking at the one that use to live in Putnam before they move to KY.

BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL IN ON WHATEVER IN THE HELL WAS GOING ON!!!

When did CS move from Putnam CO? And was she ever brought in on any drug charge, even something small?

Blue Moon said,
in January 5th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL IN ON WHATEVER IN THE HELL WAS GOING ON!!!

When did CS move from Putnam CO? And was she ever brought in on any drug charge, even something small?
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in 2005.Sometime after she left Ron she started shacking up with a guy whose name is Michael Shawn Word in Jacksonville. In fact Crystal has him on her myspace now.He has arrests and courts stuff in putnam county and a few others. Then they moved onto Bruce’s place into the little trailer she lives in now.Then I guess she got rid of him and started up with Chad.

She’s never been arrested for drugs but has been for lying about someone stealing her car to the police.

lol, supposed to say:

‘You can only pretend to be someone else for the camera FOR SO LONG’

I found a strange coincidence. Orange Park is almost exactly 1/2 between Palatka & Jacksonville…..Odd or just coincidence?

mariesilk, thank you for the info and the link to the article. i did not think about the fact it could be info on the sheffields. that is good thinking! my mind went right to the more obvious. i really hope pcso have something new that will help! hoping it is not a ruse like some fear. ms.p.

Good morning all, my question is, given the reported circumstances of the evening, if Misty and Ron DID have an argument that night and then he was unable to reach her by phone for several hours, does it makes sense for him to actually bypass the road to the house to go to the store before he went home, or given that the store was such a short distance away, would it have been reasonable that he would stop by the house to check on things and then go to the store? I don’t know enough about their behaviour to decide which is the most rational thing to do, perhaps Misty often turned her phone off after an argument, and Ron was used to this kind of behaviour, but common sense tells me that most people would have gone home first, on the other hand, if they were working together to cover something up, he wouldn’t surely be stopping to buy beer knowing that the 911 call would have to be made as soon as he got home. The whole thing is a puzzle to me, unless I stick with my original gut theory, which is a terrible fatal accident took place before Ron ever left for work, and the two of them covered it up. And are still covering it up.

Tobias,

Where is it that HaLeighs shoes were there at home? I have been asking that for awhile now.

I was thinking if it was a plan why not work over and stop by the store ,not so much to be on a camera , but to be seen coming home from work and perhaps he knew this person at this store. Then less suspicion and questions for him. What better time to call in a missing child with a name almost like the one the whole world is grieving over and watching her memorial world- wide.

MC2, The barge was late it was manditory overtime. He did not have a choice. If he thought she left to go to Tommys and she wasnt there, and still wasnt answering the phone wouldnt he be worried enough to call Teresa at least? 20 calls is alot. Maybe he just thought she went to bed?
I have a hard time believing that Misty didnt know what CJ and Rons problems were. They must look bad on Rons side or you can bet she would be screaming it from everywhere.
Also if Ron and Misty are still in touch why couldnt ron, with all of his relatives and friends, find her a place to stay?
Another thing that doesnt hold water in her story, she was robbed and beat, and now she is all of a sudden afraid to walk down the street?
It was all lies and damage control, she called in to make them look innocent in all of this.
I SAY BOTH PARTIES DID THE ROAD RAGE. We just dont know what led up to it. Misty was at CJs for weeks and he has a girlfriend, did Misty do something before she went back to Tyler street to make them mad? CJs mom is in jail for something is that it? jmo

Sorry she was arrested on the 29th bonded out on the 30th of Dec. just when all this happened. Does anyone know who she was fighting with? jmo

Tobias, I agree with you both paties are guilty in the road rage incident, and Crystal has always seemed to me to be an uncaring mother.

Tobias, boy these people really bond out fast. I’ve never known anything like it!

4Pirate, I have been noting that fact lately, too, some within like 20-30 minutes! It’s amazing!

Bunny,
You want to make a man livid,unplug the phone.LOL

Women will hang up in a heartbeat and turn the phone off.It’s a way of shutting them up,and winning the argument.Pfffttt!The last thing on a person’s mind is something would happen to a child over a phone argument.

also, can someone tell me where the information came from that Ron called Misty 20 times? I don’t remember and I just want to make sure that it’s not a rumor that grew legs and is walking around like a fact now. lol!

This is racking everyone’s brain.Noone wants this to go unsolved and keep wondering what happened,where is HaLeigh,who took her.I just know there’s more and people will come out of the woodwork as CJ has,so this could be something we haven’t thought about or know any other circumstances yet.

m2c,
I am trying to throw out everything we’ve heard,since most of it is rumor and find out only facts.When I do that,I can count what we really know on one hand.

Vaquera, are you sure about the location of the convenience store? Because I distinctly remember reading that he had to actually drive past his street to go to the store. Of course, like so many other tings in this case, that could have been a wrong report.

And yes someone really did pay off the back child support, and yes, she was posting, there was more but I would have to ask CC to really remember all of it.

Bunny, I agree I dont find it odd behavior! I to sometimes will stop at the store and wind down after i get off work at midnight to pick up things i know we need! Also im a fountain pop or soda fanatic I will admit it im addicted to Dr. Pepper! Haha! I always stop for one of those wether my man and i are fighting or not! Im 24 people would say im still a kid! So no i dont think that makes me a bad mother of 2!

Afternoon all. Just catching up.

M2C asked at 10:48am:

“Presumably there would be a record of when he left work so why would he need the extra time or need to get himself on the store’s security camera?”

Good thoughts. I just wondered, with Ron being a less than stellar driver he could have shaved some time off the drive home from work. Long enough to remove some drugs/guns from the home. Say, 15 minutes? This could put Misty calling Ron as he pulled in the driveway when she first turned on her cell phone. We don’t know for sure who was called when that night.

To add further, perhaps there was drug money or drugs that were taken with Haleigh that R & M haven’t told le about. They are lying about something…..I wish we knew what. I am still not totally convinced one way or another, this case has me in circles.

On another note:

When a certain Haleigh site that was shutdown before Christmas there was a member who would go and take all the pics of the places in the case. Kind of kooky, but I did check them out here and there to see how things could fit. Any way, she did the drive from Ron’s work to his home herself at the 3 in the morning and stopped at the same store Ron did. I believe that the drive was about 1hr 15min. (My fiance could shave 15 minutes off that like nothing) and the store was on the way home. Of course, I can’t link to the site, as it is gone, so did anyone else see that? Or know the time it takes to get from Green Ln to PDM?

TIA

From green lane to pdm bridge its 17.75 miles
and 33 minutes.

Oh, geez. I guess my memory is already going, lol.

Another theory bites the dust.

On to the next:

There were witnesses that stated that Misty picked up Haleigh from the bus that Monday and headed away from Green Ln. And that Ron came along behind her. What if they had some vehicular mishap (side swipe?) while trying to communicate driving side by side. It gets out of hand, Haleigh is not restrained (which seems the norm around this bunch) and hits her head. Of course, at first she is fine.

Hence Misty’s comment about Haleigh doing wheelies and how she was ‘doing fine’. But head wound trauma can often show up later.

I don’t like to think it, but if Haleigh passed during her sleep she may have vomited and she would have voided her bowels and bladder. Thus causing Misty to have to wash and/or switch around blankets and feel the need to overly explain why the blankets had to be washed.

This could be with or without Ron’s knowledge if Misty thought it was something she had done to Haleigh and not the injury she may have called her brothers to help clean up. Or she may have told Ron and they knew it was from the injury and chose to cover it up together. I still believe they had to move illegals out of the mh before calling 911, so did he lie about what they hid or is he lying about what happened to Haleigh? I fear the second.

In this theory, GGMS and auntie nurse coming by would play a big part if Haleigh was showing some signs of having a concussion. Perhaps at this time the aunt declared Haleigh OK, only to later have her pass away and have to be covered up?

Have at it…

Thanks Vaquera for the info on the Texas Women.

Also, does anyone know if Misty is living with Ron at GGM’s house. And where is Ron’s father? I don’t think we’ve heard from him, how come?

Are we sure about the time Ron left work? Was it 2:30 am or so? Then he goes a few minutes out of his way to the store. The timeline adds up to me pretty well.

I can certainly believe that “stuff” might have to be hidden before LE arrived, though. It must be very inconvenient to have to call LE if one has illegal anything in the house but there doesn’t seem much time to take it very far.

Also why would Misty take the kids with her if she went out to score dope or party? It’s a pain to lug them around and the kids might tell Daddy. It’s much easier to leave them at home and she might not have expected to be gone long. But that’s all it would take for someone to go in the house and take Haleigh either because that was their purpose or she got in the way of a robbery or something. (And yes Ron or Misty might have had “stuff” stolen they don’t want to tell about.)

Vaquera: I only hope that LE thoroughly investigated whoever paid that money. It would be the perfect way to funnel/launder money for a “sold” child or other purpose.

My theory still holds water. Misty places Tommy at the MH after Ron leaves for work and the door has been checked on his way out(he says he does this every night). While there he has opportunity to unlock it. Later he places himself there at the MH ( In a signed statement to LE) this gives him opportunity to enter the backdoor he unlocked earlier. He know Misty sleeps soundly. He is alone or with Joe and there to steal from Ron. Haleigh wakes and thinks her Dad is home and walks in the kitchen and turns on the light this startles Tommy and Joe and the bad thing happens. Misty wakes up .Nothing she can do but cover for her brother who claims it was an accident. She washes blankets etc. They get rid of body and scratch the van. Misty later calls Tommys house(told police she called her mother) to see if they are back. She then tries to call Ron as he comes in driveway and we know the rest. THIS IS JUST A THEORY.

Not alot a grandparent can do except inforce grandparents rights to visitation. Does Florida have this? Some States do. Alot of guys do this if the mother is getting married and the child is young. That way the stepfather can adopt. My brother was divorced and he had the kids when his ex found out she had MS she gave up her rights so his new wife could legally adopt. That way if something had happened to him they would be taken care of by the step mother. jmo

I think they brought the clothes because Ron had been there earlier to get clothes for Haleigh to wear to school. She washed some for the rest of the week and was dropping them off. Odd that with Misty saying she was cleaning those clothes were said to still be on the counter by LE later. jmo

m2c♥ said,
in January 6th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

Vaquera: But your niece had to agree to it, right? (severing the father’s rights)

If the subject even came up I don’t know why Ron would agree. Crystal wasn’t hassling him for custody and why should he let her off the hook? Plus I’m sure Marie would have had a fit. It wouldn’t look good for a mother to give up rights to her children. And a grandma might not appreciate it either.

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The niece’s ex’s 2nd wife,LOL yea you have to agree to it which she did. My friend”s daughter’s ex tried that and she said hell no, you pay or go to jail.

you are right about Marie, no way she would allow that, she runs Crystal’s life, guess she was to busy not being a mom when Crystal was growing up.

I dont think Crystal cared enough to fight for Haleigh let alone steal her. None of that makes any sense to me sorry. Now if they were in a bitter battle at anytime in the 4 years Ron had the kids that would put a new light on things. But we dont see any proof of that. She followed all the visitation rules except for the child support. And I think that was because she had no job and was pregnant with Chloe, she also had some accident I think while she was pregnant. And at the very first few days Ron and Crystal were getting along.
Then after a few days they started with the seperate tents etc. Right after the first vigil I believe.jmo

That’s right, Vaquera! And Crystal may not even know about it.

If it was a “friendly” kidnapping, Marie might know about it or have masterminded it. But if it was not, it could be another family member or friend/associate. So far nothing rules out something done by the bio-mom’s side (just that none of us think Crystal masterminded it! lol!)

There is no mention of them living anywhere except with Tommy.

I am curious about Amber Brooks. She got bailed out with NayNay but we never hear anything from her. Nay Nay tells all about the wild weekend and the fight with Misty and Amber but not what it was about. I can see her being angry, Ron left her and Jordan for Misty.
Then Misty leaves a message on her myspace saying I got your man and they even took Jordan for one night. They must not have liked the idea of taking care of a disabled baby?
And why hasnt Ron paid child support for Jordan? Did he sign off on the poor kid?
Takes nerve in my book when someone askes you about one of your kids and you say possibly
hes mine.Wow what a shame. jmo

Tobias, Ron may not KNOW for sure that he’s the father.I’m sure he’d have to double-check with Misty if (God forbid) she got knocked up.

As I understand it there are several candidates for the father of Amber’s child. Why would Ron pay until he knew? And it can be decided by the court if Amber wanted to press the issue. Swear it’s him and demand a test to prove it. She can do that.

I am wondering if Kathleen Jones is his mom, she was arrested on Dec. 29 right before the Dec. 30 roadrage incident. She was arrested for battery touch and strike. Bailed out on the 30th. Maybe that was the scanner report? Just dont know for sure.

Tobias, you said, “Takes nerve in my book when someone askes you about one of your kids and you say possibly hes mine.”
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What’s Ron supposed to say if he doesn’t know?
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And you said Ron and Misty took care of Jordan for one night and “They must not have liked the idea of taking care of a disabled baby?”
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How can you say such a thing? Ron does not KNOW it’s his baby and Amber may well have decided that she didn’t want Misty (or maybe Ron) to take care of the baby again. Haleigh has medical issues and Ron actively wanted custody and took care of her practically her whole life. Whether or not what I’ve suggested is true, it’s just an awful, unfounded hurtful leap to say they didn’t want to take care of a baby with a disability. It could be true but there is not one shred of even a reason to say such a thing other than to pile even more s**t on R & M.

Thank you for the info, WinterRose! That clears up a lot (about Amber etc)!

I wonder who CJ’s mother hit?

bonanzajellybean you are absolutely 100% right. But if some folks didn’t speak up there would be only ONE theory (with a slight alternate) mentioned on this blog.

I think the state of Florida would need some help from Amber to go about the process of demanding DNA tests from anyone. Obviously she is not cooperating. The state can’t run around testing every guy in the county. Or are the payments related more to the baby’s disability issues? Do you know what disability it is?

Tobias, I’m sure that applies to several other guys too. Maybe Amber could have a DNA party and invite all the candidates! Otherwise I’m not sure that the state can require back payments from a guy who never knew he was the father especially if the mother is not officially naming him as the father. That doesn’t make sense to me.

Tobias,
How do you know the state of Florida pays the grandma? Did you even know the grandma raised the
baby??

Bonanza
Better to keep the theories and info out and someone might come by with some info they know.It’s better that the rumor bs we used to have to deal with.At least people are discussing thier different opinions here.

Shoot,typed too fast,it’s better than the rumor bs we had to deal with before.

M2c
Yep

Oh,I didn’t mean yep to me saying it better.LOL I had posted and it didn’t post right off.I meant yep to agreeing with you saying,this blog not becoming like the free for all as in some others.

I think some people have a theory they favor or maybe even are convinced of but are still able to discuss and share in a good way with others who have several (or no) theories.

As long as it’s not hurting anyone (or too bashing) it can be productive in a way and it’s a good way for us to “get together” and at the very least remember Haleigh and hope and pray and sort of “work for” her return.
AND it lets LE know we’re still on the job and they darned well better be! lol!

No worries, WinterRose, I knew what you meant! I thought my comment in the middle made it funny – as if I liked you wording it wrong better! lol!

Tobias, I’m lost. Sorry. Your 6:44 is referring to what? Ron and Misty in who’s parking lot and a 911 from who’s grandma about what?

That is so true, bonanzajellybean. Probably half or 3/4 of the info we’re working from is rumor. LE has released just about nothing and I don’t know how they could expect us to blindly believe they have much more than that themselves. Maybe they do. But until they find Haleigh I’d like to keep nudging them and also join others in keeping the options open.
I really don’t like lynchings – even “on-line” lynchings.

Tobias, I and others can take those same “facts” (some of which are still questionable) and come up with totally different theories and possibilities.

Yours is one way of putting together and interpreting those “facts.”

Tobias, the problem is when someone is completely convinced of a theory and then tries to shoehorn in every other “fact” or event or statement so that it supports that theory.
You have chosen to believe one thing Misty said and then called her a liar other times so that your theory will still be valid or supported. Or because it doesn’t fit your theory.
I’m not criticizing you. Just trying to point out how things happen sometimes.

I do not believe my theory is the only possibility and I have never attacked anyones theory, Why do you think mine has no possibilty of being right? jmo

It just puts Ron on the same level as Crystal in the not supporting your child. That is if Jordan is his, why hasnt he found out? Does he even care? JMO

m2c, Do you have a theory ?

Tobias, please see my 7:20 in regard to your 7:18. It’s a perfect example.

We do not know that Amber OR her mother want Ron involved at all. They may not know who the father is. I don’t see why you expect him and every other guy Amber had sex with around that time to line up for DNA tests whether Amber wants them to or not. But gosh it’s another chance to bash Ron so go for it.

Tobias, I am convinced you don’t read my posts. That’s okay.

I’ve said dozens of times that I have no theory – I have a dozen of them.

As I said a little while ago we can all take the basic info we have (a lot of which is still questionable) and develop a bunch of different theories from it. There is virtually nothing to rule out most of them.

I am trying to keep an open mind because so far – as bonanzajellybean pointed out – there is not enough factual information for us to go on.

If I had a child I would want to be a part of his life disability or not. And I sure would find out if I were the father. Why is it wrong for Crystal and not wrong for Ron? I am not bashing anyone just saying fair is fair. You cant blame one and not the other.jmo

The theory of crystal and her family taking Haliegh could be right, but with Crystal being on drugs even when she went after Junior with Kim P. The theory that she would gain custody of both if Haleigh was found would not have worked.She was on drugs. And the grandparents would not be able to get custody either. Why would they have taken Haliegh? They cant get custody unless both parents are found unfit and then they would have to fight Teresa. Also what kind of Grandparent would put her through that. jmo

Tobias, thanks for the info on Ron’s dad. Also, I read somewhere that Ronald made an appointment for a DNA test and Amber never showed up. She doesn’t want him named as the father.
What a bunch of sorry losers they are!

well why did ron go and take the child for a night? it was on art harris that mary said that r.c. came and got the baby for one night and then suddenly returned him the next day. and that mary (a.b.’s grndma) let r.c. take the baby. why would she let anyone come and take the boy. i was surmising mary thinks r.c. is the father as well as r.c. mary is amber’s grndma, not mother.

i was thinking if someone threatens to take your child from you and you are not participating fully in your own child’s life, this could really scare a mom if she does not want to lose him altogether. she could be judged a “bad mom” by the courts, or just that the father is a better parent by the courts. and r.c. already has a history of winning full custody of his children. so if it is true misty was threatening amber and ron then went and took the child???? maybe amber really felt threatened. could this either mean something directly abt h.c. being missing or could it even mean this is how r & m deal with people and others may feel threatened or angry enough with either r or m to retaliate against them in some way. this is all just thoughts – of course.

Tobias, relatives including grandparents put children thru H*** all the time because of their own selfish reasons or they believe it’s in the best interest of the child.

Crystal’s family could have taken Haleigh to live elsewhere hoping to get the custody payments stopped and to make Ron look like a bad father. And no one knew about Crystals drug taking until KP found out so maybe Crystal would have gotten Jr if KP had cooperated. That’s the first thing the bio-mom’s side tried to do was gain custody of Jr and that is a fact.

I have to go for now but I do wish you a good evening, Tobias. Sorry I’m so contrary but like I said I’m just trying to add some other possibilities into situations to get some balance and fairness.

MC2 i would still like to hear your theory. All you seem to do on here is intervine. You claim we are always bashing someone but you are always sticking up for everyone involved. If they were all perfect then Haleigh would be home where she belongs and we would not be here. If we all sit here and dont say what we think nothing will come from it.jmo

MADJGNLAW I truly believe you are thinking in the right direction

ms.peridot19 said,in January 6th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

well why did ron go and take the child for a night? it was on art harris that mary said that r.c. came and got the baby for one night and then suddenly returned him the next day. and that mary (a.b.’s grndma) let r.c. take the baby. why would she let anyone come and take the boy. i was surmising mary thinks r.c. is the father as well as r.c. mary is amber’s grndma, not mother.
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snipped by me

I don’t believe much of anything on Art Harris’s site. Wasn’t he paid by KP to make CS look ‘good’. Apparently the easiest way to do that was to make RC look bad. He also reported, IIRC, that RC sent Jr to the door to see if baby J could come outside. GMAB.

Art Harris is mostly on Nancy Grace and we all know what she thinks of Crystal. jmo

stg said,in January 6th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

hello stg, i don’t have a clue when people are telling the truth in this case. this is where i read about the junior part.

the following is part of an interview on a.h. site ———–

In an interview Wednesday, Brooks told me her youngest daughter, Renee, 25, had come rushing into her house and said, “Mom, Ronald (Cummings) is riding around in his car, in parking lot,’ And I said, ‘You gotta be kidding me!’” But it wasn’t until an hour later, after a thin black man she didn’t recognize knocked on her door that she called police, fearing he might be scouting for Ronald.

Tipped to the incident Sunday night by William Staubs, a tireless bounty hunter and private eye nicknamed “Cobra” who is working pro bono on the Haleigh Cummings mystery, I called police, then a source who said he’d earlier told Cobra he’d heard over a police scanner that Cummings’ son, Junior, had knocked on the grandmother’s door, asking to see his brother. The source is a local preacher who monitors police radio traffic and has been reliable in the past.

Only the Junior incident never happened, I can now report. It’s not on the police audio tape I obtained, and, while authorities are checking the radio traffic, Mary Brooks tells me, in an exclusive interview Wednesday, she never saw Junior. (***************************)

“I wish I had seen him, I miss that little rascal,” said Amber’s grandmother, Mary recalls putting out crayons and coloring books for Haleigh and her little brother, Junior. Amber and Ronald would bring them to visit, she said, when Amber was pregnant with Jordan and living with Cummings. “She watched Haleigh and Junior all the time.”

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/22/exclusive-bolo-for-haleigh-cummings-dad/

In our interview, Mary Brooks told me that she’s has the birth certificate that names Cummings as the biological father, and has been caring for the baby for several months after Amber tumbled into an abyss of drugs and partying.

same interview
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/22/exclusive-bolo-for-haleigh-cummings-dad/

same art harris article
Exclusive: BOLO For Haleigh Cummings’ Dad?

i guess i was/am trusting that mary is telling the truth and art reported this correctly. but, i realize we have to question everything!

“…When Amber left the baby with her grandmother when Jordan was three or four months old, Mary Brooks says she got a call from Ronald. “He said, ‘I want to see the baby. So he came over and took the baby. The next day he was back at my house with Jordan and all his things.” She says that was his father’s last visit… ”

“…She was also worried when a man knocked on her door Sunday night, an hour after Cummings did his drive by. Mary Brooks says she told police she feared he was sent by Ronald to take Jordan, who she adores and draws a small government check for his disability…”

it stuck in my head, she sounds like a wonderful grandmother to amber and to the boy.
some grandmas really are grandma angels!

Sorry mariesilk, All I know is LE cleared him and I think Misty said at one point he was somehow related to Ron an ex of someone Ron was related to. Thats why she gave him the phone to talk to Ron.jmo

4Pirate is right on the money. I’ve also heard that Ronald accepted the baby as his while the mother was out running around.He got the money together for the test, they had an appointment, he went and he waited and waited for her to show up with the baby. Finally she called two hours or so later and said the baby wasn’t his.

mariesilk said,in January 6th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

i don’t have a link for you. i just remember the “le” statement that he had allibi. i believe they deliberately did not release his name due to a solid allibi maybe with witnesses? of his whereabouts at the time haleigh went missing.

here is a statemnt on amw site

Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh’s disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Good night everyone dont forget to pray for Haleigh and for Junior too.

thank you thunderbunny,
ThunderBunny said,in January 6th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

so maybe r.c. was put on the b.c. believing the boy his. probably after he went and took jordan for the night he went and tried to take a test. and then amber said the boy is not yours. either because r.c. is really not the boys father or a.b. wanted r.c.’s out of her son’s life and didn’t want him coming and taking the boy anymore.

so that makes sense about what tn said.

MarieSilk, I’m not surprised you’re having trouble finding out about that AC guy. Not much was said at the time and he kind of disappeared off the radar real fast. If I can remember when or where I read about it I’ll look for it.

I guess I spoke to soon, Tobias (re my 9:19 pm post). I just saw your 8:03 and 8:04 posts.

I’m sorry I can’t seem to make myself clear to you. Maybe we’ll try another day and I can try to explain better.

I’m also shocked to hear that you don’t hold Misty or Ron responsible in your theory. All I’ve ever heard you say about them are bad things! lol! But I guess one can have a different theory but still despise them or find fault with everything regarding them? Is that it?

Ms. P – I can’t believe it but I found something on the AC guy. It’s from another blog but it quotes Jane Valez Mitchell:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80468

|-)|-) |-) me too!

i must be even more tired, i thought you did? :^)
good night!

4Pirate said,
in January 6th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

Tobias, thanks for the info on Ron’s dad. Also, I read somewhere that Ronald made an appointment for a DNA test and Amber never showed up. She doesn’t want him named as the father.
What a bunch of sorry losers they are!
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That’s exactly what happened. Amber didn’t show up for the scheduled DNA test, that tells me all I need to know.

Tobias said,
in January 6th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

Pirate, They would not need the Mother to do a DNA test. The baby has both DNA the fathers and the mothers. Jordans DNA would either match or not to Ronalds.
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No you don’t but you need the mother to bring the baby to take the test.

m2c:

Were you referring to me then when you say ‘I guess I can’t make it clear to you’?

I am only trying to think beyond the same theories we already have. Three months ago I was looking for answers about the supposed staged search by Marie and felt convinced that Haleigh was being held in a wilderness cabin along the river, either family or otherwise. My theory above may or may not have included R & M, and so what. Its just a theory. I don’t know why you get so upset all the time, its not your job to police the forum. Just relax, we are all on the same side.

And by the way, I too think for the most part that this is an open place to blog. Despite a few, and of course the occasional troll, it is a good meeting place.

I do hate when everyone gets on the train of ‘theories mean nothing’ or ‘its about Haleigh’. We come together here to discuss aspects of the case, we may not all agree on everything, but it gets the thoughts flowing which is good. And its ALL for Haleigh.

Lets keep thinking and working through the same old things. You never know when that little overlooked detail can pop out at us, or where it may come from.

File Date: 2009-12-30 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
JONES, KATHLEEN CARMEN
Alias
JONES, CATHLEEN

Date # Docket Description
2009-12-30 1 ARREST REPORT – PCSO/ TAYLOR (ARREST 12-29-09)
2009-12-30 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-05277
2009-12-30 1 BATTERY / MATTHEW MULLINS
2009-12-30 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 12-30-09
2009-12-30 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2009-12-30 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-12-30 2 $1004.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-12-30 2 NO CONTACT WITH VICTIM
2009-12-30 3 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2009-12-30 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER AT FIRST APP HEARING
2009-12-30 5 $1004.00 A-1 24HR CITY BEST BAIL BOND#2246345 12-30-09

DustyRose your 2:10am post is spot on for me. Rightfully, these players, especially the immediate family has every right to be suspect and suspicious of any and all people. On the radar for them, is family, friends, media, LE, internet posters, attorneys, strangers, you name it. I would be if it was my daughter missing and I did not have information on her where abouts, and LE was up front and working with me in the lest. We know this to be the truth where Ron, his family and Misty are concerned. The agenda witch hunt against Misty has been criminal. Should be stopped. They have tried for a year to blame this young girl to no satisfaction. I think egos, wrong doing and insubordination holds them in their current places of not venturing out and solving this case.

LE refuses to look at the other side of the family. I believe LE refuses to look at anyone, especially Registered sex offenders also, which is ludicrous. They cleared the a/c man, rso’s, and everyone within the first few hours. THere’s no way possible they could have checked/double checked and confirmed this many alibis within this short time span. No way. They would have to have an allegiance of investigators the size of the United States Army to achieve this goal so quickly and do an accurate thorough job error free. Then onto re-checking and follow ups. Re-interviewing suspects and the circle of family and friends surrounding the potential most likely suspects to see if they’ve been talking, showing signs of guilt, made mistakes etc…

LE doeth protest too much concerning Misty. If Misty is guilty, there’s no way she acted alone. She didn’t have a car to dispose of Haleigh and remove her from the home. Why is LE no closer to solving and naming suspects? I think they do know what’s happened to her and why they won’t move this case forward leaves one with reasonable thinking and experience to guess the reasons why. The same ole same ole hidden undercover reasons that’s always surrounded crimes and people. Money, greed, corruption, egos, bitter hate in families, custody battles, drugs, coverups, etc….

Guys and Dolls, these posts were great, made great reading. Hats off to everyone of you. Even those that don’t hold my thoughts alike, I still enjoyed your caring posts that were made respectfully. There’s not many places to gather as others have mentioned, that isn’t a bash/kill/ destroy Ron and Misty agendas sites.

We are either closer than we think, with all that has unfolded since day one on the clicker clock upon Haleigh’s disappearance, and all these incidents and information we’ve learned will lead to a resolve in this case. Unless it is a stranger abduction. Then all these incidents, family battles and fights, past drug and behaviors, all the posts, etc… are irrelevant. A stranger could have removed Haleigh from the home. If so, I’m afraid we may never know as too many mistakes were made in the forensic gathering of evidence, and not proper management of LE agencies by someone with experience and the authority to do a stellar job for this child.

Question: Dawned on me from reading. We know Misty’s Mom Lisa is named “Lisa Carmen Croslin”. We have CJ’s Mom “Kathleen Carmen Jones”. Many women upon marrying drop their middle given birth names and replace it with their maiden names and add the new married last name as their new legal names. Are Lisa Carmen Croslin and Kathleen Carmen Jones related, like sisters or cousins? Carmen surely is an unusual name, though not unheard of. Just odd enough for me to question and then we have it within the same group of people, coincidence? Could be, just really odd for me as I think about it. Need to compare the pics of Lisa and Kathleen to see if theres any family resemblance, though we know Lisa, don’t know about Kathleen, but probably likely, has past drug use making her appearance drug noticeable.

Now that we have time and the presence to ponder on, I have come to the conclusion that Art Harris/ his site/ appearances and information can’t be 100 percent trusted, nor accurate. Though there is good information to behold, we now have learned enough that he’s reported we need to also call into question. Ex: the Ron and Stripper dating rumor, we’ve now learned it was a lie like so many others. So not only was he hired to make Crystal look good, (I have no problem with that, had he made it known up front), it was his right to be paid and take the money. But he also slung mud, and done damage to Haleigh’s case and family with his intrusive interference misleading many, including internet posters who reacted in ways that was wrong, and some incidences should be criminal and held into account by the Law. For the Law is suppose to: “Protect and to Serve”. And Haleigh’s family was harmed and put at risk by some of these acts committed by these people.

We need laws against these types of internet actions. It’s wrong. We should all post responsibly, use anonymous when necessary, but not to do bad deeds. But if we’re going to interject ourselves into the lives of others, we ought to speak up and use our own names if we believe so much that we must intervene and do/cause others to take note or move on behalf of what we post/request and attest to be the truth.

Haleigh’s family needs to start healing, get themselves together, get focused, work together being United, and get a plan to confront LE and put their minds together for the best interests of Haleigh and Jr. Make a United front, with LE making needed communications with the public, as the public can be of a great help in bringing resolution to this case. LE needs to clear matters up concerning this family one way or the other. They can either clear them, or professionally speak on behalf of their investigation to put the public at ease and assure them matters are being handled correctly. To put some balance and authority in this case leaving everyone involved along with the public with a perception of good feelings knowing this case is on target.

MarieSilk, But my 9:51 was intended for you and I goofed and put Ms P’s name on it. It’s about the AC guy but Vaquera’s info at 1:31am is better.

And I agree with your 1:28 completely (except the first question that no my post was not intended for you)

I have theories that involve R&M too. I’m not trying to defend them or portray them as perfect, innocent people. But when the flow of comments has been 100% against one or both of them, sometimes it’s just too much and I want to say “There is another way to interpret that (comment or event or whatever) that does NOT put them in the wrong).” It’s just pointing out another way to interpret the same event.

I’m not trying to shut down debate – actually open it up.

Ms P. You are correct. The grandmother of Jordan did say that Ron is on Jordans birth certificate and that she receives a state check due to the diagnosis. The granmother has guardianship over the child. I believe Ron knows he is the father of Jordan. What I do not understand is why Ron and Amber are not held accountable to pay child support to the grandmother for Jordan. Like I said before GGSykes and Teresa Neves are the main caregivers for Haleigh and Jr.; not Ron. He may love his kids and have worked, but that is it. These grandmothers took care af their needs and Haleighs turner syndrome appointments. They may could not of taken on another child with this diagnosis. It would have been primarily on Ron. Perhaps that is why he took him back to his grandmother.

Holly gma, Have you ever researched blood hounds and how long they can pick up scent marking? I was just curious how long a scent can stay and still be picked up and I may have to check the weather again to see if it rained on the 8th or 9th. Its something to look at for reference on the trail passing 116 tyler.jmo

Evidence of a search by a Bloodhound is usually admissible in a court case, but the testimony will not convince judge and jury unless the handler has done certain things to properly prepare. The same preparations are needed if the team is to be valued enough to get called out for such situations as lost people.Scent is known as “the forgotten evidence” because it is invisible, it is deposited at most crime scenes, it is not collected and it is underutilized. By collecting scent from the crime scene and utilizing a trained Bloodhound, an investigator can retrace the path a suspect or victim walked. This type of Bloodhound utilization has resulted in locating witnesses, evidence, and suspects.

This could also be why Misty was believed to have left the MH. Were the hounds scenting her trail also? And if they were she walked the same route to the end of the road to Buffalo Road.
Its just something to think about. jmo

Kool, Lisa and Kathleen are not kin. She’s Kathleen Engelberger or something like that.

Sad to see, once again, that folks are interjecting their personal “feelings” about how other people may or may not post.
I agree that this is a great place to toss around thoughts and ideas regarding this case.
I think that Simon and Jan are wonderful people to allow a bunch of us nobodies to post here about this case.
There are several places that are the same including Art Harris, Scared Monkey’s etc… What I dislike is when some of us folks decide to try to manipulate and insult by telling people how to post or how not to post. We are all adults here. If someone says something that could seem as if they are focused on one person or another then fine.
SOMEONE DID SOMETHING TO THIS CHILD.
We do not know who yet.
I’ll tell you what, if this were my Child, and I guarandangtee you that I would be innocent, I could care less if people were looking at me because it all boils down to FACTS and PROOF in this or any case for that matter. I would not be upset because I would care only that my Child be found and at least then I would know that people were actually looking and doing everything they possibly could even if that meant examining my dang bowel movements. I’m so not kidding!
How many cases go quiet?
Look at the case of Adji Desir. No way has that little boys case gotten as much attention as has this one! There are many other cases out there that get even less than that!
I have looked at as many possibilities and possible suspects regarding this case as I possibly could given the information that we are privy too. I have looked in all directions Crystal Her Father, Her Mother, Ron. Misty, Tommy, WBG, Nay Nay this list goes on and even if I do tend to lean in any one of those directions as long as I am not trying to convict anyone via the interwub then what business is it of anyone elses? I am not here to intentionally start any trouble with other posters but too what I have to add to the conversation is my responsibility, not yours, they are my thoughts and ideas, not yours, and Simon and Jan can block me or any one of us at any time if they believed that we were.
Freedom of speech has it’s limitations on most boards. We are all liable and accountable for our own contributions and I believe that most of us are well aware of that fact.
All that I am saying is, Please do not insult me or other bloggers. Bottom line, It is my chosen opinion that we are all wanting the same outcome and that is for this little girl, Haleigh Cummings, to be found.
(Just trying to stay focused here.)
bbl.
Where is Haleigh??????

That is why I am afraid when people start calling others out for bashing. If they feel offended and quit posting then what? There will be no one here debating and questioning what happened and by who. jmo

Vaquara is correct-no relation of L. Croslin and K. Jones. Lisa’s maiden name is Hollers.

Great post Tuff Stuff-I agree!
If you don’t like what someone states in their post just be an adult and ignore it and move on.
Anymore I just skip some posts-I get tired of reading someone telling everyone else how to post.
Too bad this board doesn’t have an ignore feature-I would use it.

Tobias said,
in January 7th, 2010 at 11:28 am

Holly gma, Have you ever researched blood hounds and how long they can pick up scent marking? I was just curious how long a scent can stay and still be picked up and I may have to check the weather again to see if it rained on the 8th or 9th. Its something to look at for reference on the trail passing 116 tyler.jmo
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I did not long ago and believe it or not your scent can last a year. I will see if I can find the article again.

Really? Dogs can track your scent for up to a year? That’s amazing.

Me, too, Tobias, or Ron for that matter. Why is Misty always the one in front of the mike or the camera?

As far as the poster who said it was ridiculous that LE cleared all the RSOs in the area so quickly (or something to that effect) I totally agree, and it always makes me think about poor little Jessica Lunsford, help was so close.

And in all fairness, we need to remember that Chad Reynolds is still missing and he had ties to the area and knew the National forest well down there, I know its a long shot and he’s probably dead, but still, I firmly believe he still needs to be keep at least in the picture somewhat.

Everything still needs to be considered, IMO, because we have no real information, none whatsoever. Other than the fact that the child is gone.

Has no one questioned Jr more about the events of that night to see what he remembers, if anything? Is that the ace card LE is holding, the one that makes them think Misty holds the key? I mean, the child is certainly old enough to recount some story of the events of that night, whether Misty took them out of the house, where did they go, what did they do, whodid they see, etc. KWIM? And people trained to question small children could certainly do it without scaring him.

I’m not really seeing a huge backlash here m2c. I believe that the posters her are doing a fair job of posting their thoughts and considerations. My goodness, at what point do we just give up posting at all because some are possibly protesting to much? Or is that the point?
Help me out here because these egg shells are apparently getting rather thin and for the life of me I just do not understand why.

M2c EVERYTIME YOU POST IT HAS BEEN TO BASH ONE OF THE OTHER POSTERS WHY IS THAT HELPFUL?

I believe that because he would need money if he just took off and he didnt pick up his check from his job at the steak house where he worked. jmo

Sure would put me at ease if he was found and questioned. If he is out there what is he up to? jmo

Also when does Snodgrass go to court? Hope they take him off the streets too. jmo

I don’t know where some of this stuff comes from.
Tommy’s House: There has never been any comment that Haleigh and Junior were at Tommy’s on February 9th, in the afternoon after school!!! They were not there!!.

Laundry: Truth be known, Misty does not like doing laundry, and failed to keep the laundry up. Grandma Sykes, did laundry and brought it over to the house, giving the kids clean clothing to wear.

Weekend Prior: I also believed that Crystal had back to back weekends, and was told no, that Ron did have the kids the weekend prior to Haleigh gone missing.. With lots of phone calls from Chrystal, not checking on the kids, checking on her status with Ron, wanting to come home!!!!

Air conditioner man: He arrived at 5:00pm to service the Air Conditioner, that did not need servicing, there was nothing wrong with the heat pump or air conditioner.. He is a hired person who does maintenance for the rental company.. He has keys for all of the units that are rented. He was doing the spring??? service and replacing filters in February??? I don’t think he took Haleigh.. No, but I sure would like to know why he came when Ron was away at work, at the quitting hour, and why in February… I wouldn’t have let him in my house!!! Would have told him, come back in the spring!!! Like maybe April!!! The only way that man could have been involved, is if he were there to leave a key.. hidden outside, for the Abductor to use to gain entry into the house, therefore he would be conspiring with the Abductor or Abductor’s, which would mean this had been planned. Thats the only way!!!

OverTime!! Have any of you ever worked shift work?? Well sometimes when doing so, you have to work a little overtime.. this is common in the work world, sometimes jobs have a certain timeline to be completed, and it takes people to do so.. So, what is the big deal on Ron working overtime?? This could have been absolutely NORMAL.. Gheeezz…

Why don’t people, put their heads together and start with Motive… Who would have had Motive for Taking Haleigh? If your not familiar with the term, it means Reasons.. Who would have reasons to take Haleigh.. This should take you a couple of weeks to put together, but when you do.. I think you will be totally shocked!!!

One other thing. Motive is good. I follow you on that but some times things can happen randomly and/or unexpectedly.
We should not rule that possibility out either.

Vaquera
Oh thank you and also for the court record info.I wonder if this is the 20 year old in Palatka.I’ll check around.Interesting the arrest and right after this road rage thing.Seems like a whole lotta something behind the scenes.

Another motive could be that someone really wants to get even with Ron for something.
By the actions lately we can all assume he has enemies. jmo

“Tobias said,in January 7th, 2010 at 2:12 pm Also if the grandparents did this they had another party do it and they could have released her and she would show up at a hospital or somewhere. The grand parents would never be caught because Haliegh would never have known they were a part of her abduction. jmo”

And there would be no way to trace anything back to them and they would have an easy out. I so hope something like that would happen where if someone has Haleigh they would just drop her off at a hospital or fire station etc…

As I have always said I do not believe Ron or Crystal has anything to do with Haleighs dissapearence DIRECTLY. Their actions and the people around them may have been what caused this. jmo

Tobias, I did not see this comment in time to respond but last night you said, 8:03 pm ” MC2 i would still like to hear your theory. All you seem to do on here is intervine. You claim we are always bashing someone but you are always sticking up for everyone involved.”

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Tobias, it’s difficult for me to believe that you read my comments if you have to ask that and claim what you do.

The “we” you are referring to is really you and a couple of others who always – without exception – no matter what blame Misty and Ron and accuse them of all kinds of awful things without any foundation.

I don’t know how many times (including the past few days) I’ve said that I have a lot of theories. That I can take the few things we know and create a number of different scenarios with different people and motives.

Just yesterday I participated in great discussions about five different theories with bloggers. No problems.

Recently I have “intervened” to point out that another conclusion might be drawn when I saw post after post blaming the same people over and over again for all kinds of things.

Everyone can take a fact or point and have a different (but equally valid) opinion about it. I’m just mystified (sorry for the pun) that your response is always that it’s somehow Misty and Ron’s fault; they are always the bad guys no matter what.

That is your opinion. Please understand that others are equally entitled to a different opinion and are entitled to voice it here. That’s all I’m asking.

DramaQueen said,
in January 6th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

Vaquera, are you sure about the location of the convenience store? Because I distinctly remember reading that he had to actually drive past his street to go to the store. Of course, like so many other tings in this case, that could have been a wrong report.

And yes someone really did pay off the back child support, and yes, she was posting, there was more but I would have to ask CC to really remember all of it.
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Yes ma’am.100% sure. As much as I detest Art Harris even he had an article as to where the store was located. It’s not to far from where he worked at PDM on his route home

Tuff Stuff – Definitely and gratefully, “Truce!” Yes.

Nor do I think I am correct about just about anything. My sense of “fair play” and reason just got pushed way over the edge. I will try to control it from now on!

Tobias said,
in January 7th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

Vaquera said,in January 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
What was on the twitter I couldnt find it.
What did they question him about? jmo
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It’s TJ’s twitter for sky news.http://twitter.com/THESKY973DOTCOM
that’s all he said

http://www.myspace.com/mattmadness80

One of his pics of HaLeigh,he says she’s his cousin.

Winterrose, Is that the Mullins that got into a fight with CJs mom? I saw a Mullins in his friends. jmo

This is what I’m thinking,this might be the guy,if same age.Didn’t see an age or address on the court docs,but he’s definitely got connections with relatives and friends.

So Matthew Mullins is related to the Cummings?

There are so many good points made on this sight. I am down to 2. Both kind of go together. My first one is that it was common for both Ron and Misty to give the kids something to make them stay asleep on a regular basis. If you are as old as I am,my parents and grandparents put brandy on our gums and put it in honey for teething pain and couphs. In my day we didn’t do that but tylenol made a realy good infants pain remedy that made our kids sleepy. Now adays we know all these things are rong,rong,rong,But it seems from reading and watching the news that young parents are giving thier kids low doses of thier scripts. I think that was the norm with Ronand Misty. Misty went out that night, gave the 2 kids the “usual” and left them in the van while she went in a house or shack or whatever they go into. She left the van running. Got back in the van, went home, proped the door to make it easier to get 2 sleeping kids in the home. Got the youngest in first, then got Haleigh, found out she wasn’t breathing. (or theother way around). I just think that putting the block in the screen door was a common thing with 2 kids. Get out,get a door prop, get the kids in. Anyway they found out Haleigh was’nt breathing, could have realy lost both kids in my theory. The only reason in Ron’s imature mind to keep Misty around is she “COULD” let a lot of secrets out about Ron and his (dare I say it) Rat affiliations with the L.E. Man think of it. All the drug bust and not even a conviction. In Topeka that means you are the D.A’s pet project. Anyway Ron is a jealouse fool, Misty is playing any man(boy) against eich other. (remember what we did when we were 16, 17, 18, as women).

Starting to sound like the Hatfields and the McCoys too.

I should have posted also that Ron was afraid of losing his son if it comes out that he(they) drugged the kids. I realy think that is the only reason that Ron keeps Misty around aside the facted that in some sick way he loves her because the think and drug alike. Once Haleigh was dead he knew it might come out per Misty,and lose J.R. butthen ther is the whole family hiding whatever and getting deeper and deeper.

Peggy, I could believe the part in your theory about Misty knowing Rons secrets. Just what those secrets are we may never know.jmo

No we won’t until Ron finds some women with money and gumtion to actually fight what Misty knows.

I really wonder if Ron really trusts and believes Misty like he keeps saying. His past relationships dont show much in the way of trust or even love.Maybe I am wrong but none of his exes have anything good to say about their relationships with him.And this is not to bash him plenty of guys have exes that say bad things about them.jmo

well peggy that theory seems to be gaining in popularity, that’s for sure

heck there was a couple here a few months ago convicted of murder because they had twin girls under a year of age that they were putting in their swings in the mornings and dosing with cough medicine and leaving them alone all day while they both went to work, even did it when they went out to eat, movies, etc, one of the babies died

terrible terrible stuff

Drama Queen, I tell ya it’s a different thing for every generation. (sad, sad, sad)

If Ron was somehow working undercover with LE, he’d be an utter fool to let Misty find out. Not with her up-to-the-minute and long-time connections to the drug world. I’d think it more likely that he’d use her to find out stuff to tell LE.

Even IF R & M drugged the children I don’t see how Misty’s word on that would hold water with anyone. No proof anyway. Hopefully LE would have noticed something odd about Jr if they checked on him at all the night Haleigh disappeared.

If the grandparents had Haleigh taken they could have placed her permanently with another family (I hope). And from that moment on she’d be told how she was “saved” (if they didn’t try to convince her she was someone else – she may be to old for that). But all someone would have to do is show her all the blog comments about how horrible her father and Misty are for her to believe that she was “saved.” And to answer her question about why Jr wasn’t taken too? All they’d have to say is that as the girl child, she was the one being mistreated or in danger or whatever.

I’m putting the most positive light on how people could brainwash her but there are some bad ways too. It’s happened unfortunately.

All the above just one theory (of many).

Tobias eeekk is right!

Peggy, these parents involved in the twin girls, they were both in the military, so they had income, but that’s a great thought you had

also wasn’t not too long ago nay nay staying at Tommy’s with Misty and the rest of the gang?

peggy @ 4:31
That’s very kind and generous of you but I have seen well-meaning gestures like that refused with anger and resentment. Like “you think I can’t take care of my own kids?”

The answer of course (which you would never say) is “Well, right, you can’t!” But no matter what, most of them would refuse the help and think you a b-ch for offering. Also there are PLENTY of high-income parents doing this and they can afford baby-sitters and stuff. And plenty are willing to read books on how to raise children but do they? Nope. They do what they want to do because those children “belong to them.” It’s awful.

Peggy, Dont be discouraged by the possibilty of being turned down at least you would have offered help. Not all people would turn down a free babbysitter if they could first check their backgrounds out. jmo

what incident was that? and isnt Donald in prison now? jmo

AH hell no M2c. There are not a lot of high income people, there are a lot of low or no income people that would be that way, but I am worried about the people that would need and want the service. Any one else would be hidding something (like Ron and Misty perhaps) and I could care less.

Maybe someone can put some order of dates to the Donald S/CJ incident,then Kathleen/Matthew,then the road rage incident.

I’m not too up on the Donald/Cj thing,I think it was at a bar in Jax or something,but don’t know the date.

M2C A lot of men and women, when they think they are of like minds let a lot of secrets beknown between each other especialy when it comes to a 16 yr. old and a 25 yr. with 2 kids. when you are as young as Misty and your only purpose in life is to take care of kids that aren,t yours, Ron sounds good, especially if you use drugs and booze to nume the pain of your life and screw every guy you meet because you think that is what love is. Aint right and disgusting for someone as old as Ron and his mother and his grandmother. Come on GGS and TN

Tobias, don’t give me kudos yet. I just had the thought and need. But is something I will get into with my church. We are a church that has goon into the rep as mission church. Used to be the most affluent and prominate churches in north Topeka. Personaly I think a mission church with mission type needs is what north Topeka needs.

Oh my God M2c, My fault. No I ment offering a sevice for low or no income women to get them on thier feet so they don’t reliy on every smoth talken dude that knows how to pick a a lonley scared young mother out.

I make my own but where do you get Carroll shelbys? Is it premade or a recipe? If its a recipe I would like it please. Please. My family loves chilli.

It is alot to forgive after your daughter is missing. jmo

Maybe she cant. just a thought. Thats why she loves to babysit and loves kids so much, maybe she cant have any, we just dont know.

Thanks Vaquera will be checking to see if I can get some and try it.

Tobias…it’s possible that it’s just blind luck, thus far.

Depending on income, there are free or reduced cost child care available (at least here, in FL). The parents get a very long list of every DCFS certified day care establishment, home style on up to name brand facilities to choose from. Of course, there is an application to fill out, and you have to report your earnings, any changes, etc. Also DCFS & daycare workers keep records of your children’s attendance, health, behavior, etc. There is an “exchange” so to speak. This may be the reason some choose not to use these types of services. They want some things to stay hidden. (Not necissarily about M & R) I too have thought about a type of service like you mention Peggy. Like a caring out-reach program. Some will slap away any offer of help, but others will gladly accept. One just has to try to help make a difference anyway.

Thats the second time he broke probation how do you get away with that? jmo

You are right M2c. There is nothing to be done since the dawn of time. I agree it is a wonder that I have pondered since I hered about Nay Nay’s thing about her being preggers and Ron beating her up. (rumor,fact, who knows except who you believe and trust. There will always be single moms and there will always be tragic stories, we will never find a cure or answer.

Ron said that was a lie about him hurting Misty and PCDO would have seen injuries on her when they questioned her. Who is lying Misty or NayNay who knows? jmo

There’s been so many rumors,it started out as Misty was with an older man,to it being RC’s uncle.You can’t believe three fourths of what you hear.But,why is CJ’s mother beating on RC’s cousin right before CJ is in a road rage with RC?

You could not pay me to go down there. The roads arent safe, the bars arent safe, drugs everywhere, and felons are out on bail within minutes. Not what I would call good PR for this area. I used to go to Florida on vacations in the 90s but not anymore.jmo

Good night all remember to pray for Haleigh and for Junior.

Justice: Thank you for the time of Haleigh’s school bus. I have been working a scenario.

RC’s work times have never been specified and any comments made by le and RC’s lawyer have been vague at best. But we do know that Ron would have normally gotten off work at midnight and his shifts were normally 8 hours long. To have worked 8 hours by midnight his shifts must start at 4pm.

Now, RC’s drive to work is 33 minutes long. (Thank you whoever provided that info earlier ) So he would have had to leave by 3:30 AT LEAST to arrive at work on time. This already puts RC’s story about picking up Haleigh and dropping her off and leaving for work on a pretty shaky timeline. Add to that RC’s lawyer has insisted that RC arrived at work 1/2 to 3/4 of an hour early and RC’s story becomes an out and out lie…he would have had to leave for work at or before 3 for this to be true. Well before the bus.

So, if this is a lie, why? And why is it so important that RC, Misty and TN all feel the need to tell the same story. A story that is refuted by more than one witness at the bus stop. And I just don’t buy that ALL of the witnesses got their days mixed up. It was the first day of the week, kinda hard to confuse that with a day before and especially after that weekend.

mariesilk @ 7:11 – Unfortunately, the point wasn’t aimed at you all who DID get it! lol!
I don’t think it’s gotten across to the intended yet. But I’m not going to try anymore, so please don’t worry!

Anyone have any thoughts on RC saying he picked up Haleigh from the bus, when it seems he should have already been AT WORK by that time?

Tobias, are you a member of the forum? I wanted to send pm or email about an idea I’ve had…

Ron, Teresa and Misty said it because it’s true. LE confirmed Ron picked HaLeigh up at the bus stop.

So many keep saying LE confirmed…can we please have a link to that confirmation by LE. It might be out there, I just think it needs to be confirmed once and for all.

Captain Dick Schauland confirmed it. TJ remembered that and posted to his twitter iirc Vaq?

“All” the witnesses actually didn’t say it was Misty. Re-read Art’s article, even he didn’t even claim that in spite of his role.

Thanks curious.

I have looked for that link and I can’t find one.

Another thing I found while going through the PCSO press releases, there are none about Haleigh until February 26th, when cadaver dogs were brought in. Maybe there was just enough press coverage that an official statement wasn’t necessary, but it seems odd with all the other smaller events listed.

I guess Haleigh going missing wasn’t a big deal to them? I hope I am wrong.

Well, I would assume it was a him. I mean the child was afraid of the dark and would not leave. So, who would steal a small girl in the middle of the night? In the past these crimes have been carried out by whom? I can’t think of any woman that has taken a little girl in the middle of the night. Sadly, cases where men have come to mind.

Thank you TJ for the reputable confirmation on that link.

HollysGmom said,
in January 7th, 2010 at 1:24 am

hollys, ?can you share about orange park if anything came of it?
thank you for telling all of us abt fl custody and paternity! thank you for all the research you contribute!
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mariesilk said,
in January 7th, 2010 at 1:28 am
,,,I am only trying to think beyond the same theories we already have…
.. we may not all agree on everything, but it gets the thoughts flowing which is good…
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yes! and i am in awe, so many here really put in time and effort!

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looking for justice said,
in January 7th, 2010 at 10:26 am
i understand, ty! (also we agree on the c.s. issue.)

RE: Vaquera said,in January 7th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
OSPainter wrote to HLN with Mike Gallanos to get the transcript of the day PCSO was on the show

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Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6288.msg1041925#msg1041925

Morning, looking for justice!

Someone asked earlier about trying to find where LE confirmed that Ron picked up Haleigh at the bus. I’m not very good at this kind of research but I did just now find a reference that maybe someone could help follow up.

The reference stated that there is a transcript of Mike Gelanos on Prime Time, HLN on March 3, 2009, talking to (Capt?) Schauland who stated that Ron Cummings picked his daughter up at the bus stop the last day she attended school, which was February 9, 2009.

Maybe another of our bloggers knows how to find that transcript?

In the process of searching for the above, I stumbled on an interview Nancy Grace had with Terry Shoemaker, Ron’s attorney, which includes picking Haleigh up and work hours.
To find it you have to scroll down the page.

Before him, NG interviews Crystal and TJ Hart. And after Shoemaker she interviews TN.

I’m not a fan of NG’s interview techniques. For example, the bus comes at 3:30, the lawyer says it’s ONE MILE from Ron’s MH and yet NG stretches that into a 30 minute window – like Ron could not have left for work until 4:00.

Anyway, I don’t know who to believe but thought some people might be interested in seeing this. Below is the link:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/04/ng.01.html

“Waving back!” DramaQueen! Enjoy your day!

Thank you, curious! I didn’t remember for sure so when someone asked about it earlier I thought I’d try to find out. I still don’t know how to find a particular CNN/HLN transcript (per my 10:04 am post). I only found the NG one because that link came up during a search.
But glad you remembered!

schedule – sorry

I posted a couple of theories before.I even put in a couple things that were told to me by people close to this situation.I don’t know why,but they aren’t anywhere in these blogs.Sorry bloggers I thought you would appreciate the info.

Well, it seems very clear to me once you consider the time line of that afternoon that RC couldn’t have been the one to pick up Haleigh IF he plans on sticking to his story of being at work early.

So why are they lying? Is it just to cover for Misty driving without a license, or something else? In all fairness, innocent people don’t lie to le when their children are missing.

If you go back and watch the interview with RC where he drops to his knees. It bothers me. There are moments, when he says things as though he knows she is already gone.

You know, maybe that is the key thing about Ron that nags at me. All of his behavior seems to suggest that he has endured a great tragedy and is trying to move on. But if he truly didn’t know what happened, wouldn’t he still be caught up in trying to find her.

The wedding would even make more sense then, two people just trying to get over the loss of a child. Ugh, I feel sick.

LE’s Capt. Schauland did state that RON picked up HaLeigh at the bus-stop. TJ Hart was on the show that day and confirmed on twitter that he recalled this happening.

I can post the part of the transcript that says this, but I don’t believe (because it is a different blog) the link to the SM board is allowed. If you want to see the actual full transcript, you’ll have to go to SM yourself and search out Ospainter’s posts – she got the transcript and was kind enough to post it.

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

(This is from Ospainter’s December 23, 2009 post at 01:20:22 AM if anyone wants to search it at SM to read the full transcript of the Prime News coverage of HaLeigh with Mike Galanos).

Hope this is helpful!

Welcome m2c, and thanks J. I think some people would rather believe they’re lying, blows my mind. Me, I’ll stick with what TJ and Captain Dick have said.

Rons and his attorneys said he always was 30 – 45 minutes early for his shift. It takes approx 30 – 35 minutes for him to get to his place of work. I know when I drive from Satsuma to Putnam County hospital it takes me 25 – 30 minutes depending on traffic through east Palatka. They said he clocked in on time that Monday. I feel LE believes the witnesses. Listening to the audio of Jerry Santos they did let him know he would probably have to stand up in court and give his testimony as a witness of who picked up Haleigh.
Teresa Neves herself said that Ron and Misty were up all night Sunday night working out their differences.

J – Part of the quote you posted leaped out at me:
The Captain said: “Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.”

That quote completely leaves out Grandma and whoever was with her as well as the AC guy (unless he’s the neighbor but I don’t think so).

So either the neighbor was the last to see her (which would have to be in the dark after 7pm when Grandma said she was there) OR LE is ONLY going by what NON-family members are saying (and I think the AC guy was there earlier so he would not have been the last one anyway).

Interesting.

listening said,in January 8th, 2010 at 12:16 pm It is my understanding that Haleigh was not picked up by Ron:The parents of other children at the bus stop say,MISTY picked her up in the van that afternoon.
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There are conflicting witness reports, according to Art Harris. Not uncommon.

Just a note, I never reply to these things, but this creeped me out the other day. I went to the doctor and above my name in the sign in sheet was the name “Haley Cummings”. I know it’s not the same spelling but when I said something to the nurse behind the counter about seeing that name and knowing this little girl to still be gone she asked well How old was this little girl and I told her 5 but it’d been 10 months and she said this little girl was about that age. I know it’s probably just a coincidence but it’s still very eerie. This is in Mobile, AL btw.

Heathersmommy:
It is VERY IMPORTANT that you immediately contact the police. The info is below. It should be fairly easy for PCSO to call a doctor’s office (I hope) or send local LE over with a photo of Haleigh. BTW can you print out a photo from the web and take it to the doctor’s office? Maybe they would not tell you but they could speak with the doctor and he could contact PCSO thru the info below if it is her:

INFORMATION

If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637).

It could also be those clothes were at the gmas because the kids stayed with her over the weekend and she just washed them for Ron and he forgot them on Monday. Also alot of older people call Monday laundry day. jmo

listening @ 11:42 am – I’m sure we would appreciate your theories and info. There are a LOT of articles and blogs now. I can’t find things I wrote a week ago! lol!

It’s just the way it works sometimes that people miss it or are engrossed in another topic or move to a different article. But please don’t think your posts were ignored. We are interested!

I just called and gave all the info. My mother in law works in another building of this office, I’ll email her the pictures of Haleigh. Anything to help find this little girl even if I am wrong.

When the media coverage stops people begin to give up. They may not go to blogs and check to see if there are any updates on the child. Thank God for Jan and Simon keeping Haleigh in the news here at BNN.

It’s interesting, J.S. and his girlfriend, two “witnesses” from the busstop that afternoon both have conflicting stories. I prefer to listen to what LE says, rather than eye witnesses. We never know what MAY motivate a witness when giving a statement. LE on the other hand would have spoken to the BUS DRIVER by March 3rd when the show aired that had Capt. Schauland stating that RON picked up HaLeigh. It was the bus driver’s JOB to make sure HaLeigh had someone there pick her up. I’ll take LE’s word.

FTR, to those saying Ron started work at 4pm, Ron’s lawyer stated he started at 5pm. I have no idea if that is true or not. Just what was stated. If that’s true, it leaves Ron plenty of time to get HaLeigh at the busstop, take her home and leave for work, and still get there early (which he was said to do daily).

IMO he didn’t try to or want to find them:

“Other unidentified witnesses back Ronald’s account, according to sources close to the case, but I never found them. ”

I thought the time line the LE is questioning is from the time Gma Sykes last saw her from 7:30 until they got the call at 3;27. 7:30 is the last time anyone other than Misty saw she was there.(2 people gma Sykes and the Aunt).
After that no one else but Misty and Junior saw Haleigh. jmo

Holly gma I am a member but for some reason I cant get logged into Blogtalkradio, it wont take my password. Hope they send me a new one before the show on Sunday.

I think Santos said he remembered Ron picking up Haleigh because he nearly ran them all down that morning. Just goes to reason he would have noticed the car right away . jmo

Heathermommy way to go! You NEVER know what it takes to break a case, I am glad you reported that name in the dr office!

M2C, You can not comment on the site without logging in.

Actually, Santos may have a “beef” with Ron at the time he eventually gave those interviews with A.H. (MONTHS later). If you listen to the interviews that both Santos and his girlfriend gave, the girlfriend said she felt that Ron “threatened” her and the children. (Although, the girlfriend’s mother, who was also present, said that there was no threat by Ron, that he was just emotional given that his child had just disappeared).

It’s interesting that Jerry’s account and the girlfriend’s accounts of that afternoon at the busstop don’t totally match. I lost my notes on the interviews they both gave that gave all the differences. I’d have to go play the interviews again and make new notes, but there were numerous differences; and they were not just small ones.

Well I emailed my mother in law the picture and one of the nurses confirmed that this was not Haleigh. She knows the little girl whose name I saw family and sees them everytime they are there.

Thank you for doing that, Heathermommy! Much better to take the time and effort to check to make sure!

M2C its a good way to ask questions of the panel if you have any. Sometimes they answer.
You can always go back later to listen to the program in depth.jmo

well Tobias that would make sense, wouldn’t it, and seriously, when have you known Misty to do something that made sense? I mean, the girl is all about drama, IMO. Even not wanting to give her/their names to the dispatcher added another element of drama, the way I see it.

I never heard any children crying in the background as I am sure they would have been if the circumstances were really as they were presented.

I myself would sell all of my extra vehicles to pay for a PI. jmo

On his and Mistys divorce papers it says he owns 3 vehicles. jmo

Run a KBB on the total value of all three vehicles. The combined total is almost nothing. Less than $5,000 on all 3. The 1985 truck won’t even pull up a value it is so old. If you do some research, only one of the three vehicles runs.

thanks for that info, J

Holly gma, I WAS LOOKING AT PICS OF rONS TRUCK AND IT IS A SINGLE CAB HOW DO YOU TAKE 2 KIDS IN THAT?JMOO

Hollys g sent e mail

I still would like to know how 2 adults and 2 kids get in a single cab truck and CJ doesnt see Misty in the truck. How do you get that many people in that truck. I own a extended cab,not a dual cab ( mine has jump seats)and there is no way you can get more than three people up front.Especially with a car seat. jmo

curious, that’s been one of the big problems throughout this. LE states something and some people choose not to believe it!

I’ve never seen a case like this – where that happens. I’m not saying people don’t have a right to doubt LE but in this case particularly where we have NO info or evidence or statements pertinent to this case, we have less than nothing if we discount LE and then have to pick and choose who’s telling the truth about what.

So that really leave us with NO stepping stones to cross this roaring river!

Tobias, there are several possibilities.
One is that CJ knew Misty was in the truck with R and that’s what p’d him off to start with! So calling him would make him even madder. Or CJ did NOT know she was in the truck and that would make him madder.

And also, gosh knows you think every word out of her mouth is a lie, so maybe CJ would not believe her about having kids in the car. I mean what’s he going to do? Say, “Oh, gosh. So sorry. Let’s schedule this for another day?” LOL! Probably not when he’s that angry and the adrenaline is pumping.

Tobias, one does not equal the other. Like you believe some things Misty said and not others.

I can believe (or hope, really) that official statements of times and events that LE checked out are true. It does not mean that I have to think they’ve investigated this whole case thoroughly from the start or haven’t goofed up or covered up (possibly their own mistakes). I don’t think you read my comments because I’ve been doubting a lot of things about LE and about R & M and the Sheffield side since the beginning.

Tobias, my gosh. Please read my comments sometime at least! I don’t know why else you don’t know what I think about these things!

Just the other day I contributed to discussions about R being responsible and then CJ and then said it could have been typical testosterone-based road rage between two guys!
I also said that I do not think we have enough info to really blame either one. So my mind is still open on that until more info comes out!

My post doesnt say anything about the road rage. Misty lied about the kids. No way can you transport 2 kids in car seats in a single cab pickup. Or maybe you think they were in the bed? jmo

Our posts kind of crossed, Tobias. Please see my 5:52 about the kids/car seats topic.

I own a truck. Even without car seats you can not fit 2 kids in there. She was lying, thats why its not in her written and signed statement. jmo

The only way LE knew it was them was because CJ told them.jmo

Tobias, just about everything you say, I can say that something else is equally possible because there are no facts to back it up. What you call facts sometimes are really assumptions. It’s your opinion. And it’s influenced by your feelings about R & M (negative ones). But that’s fine. You’re entitled.

I have to go for now. Have a good evening!

Tobias, you know what YOU would do and what YOUR kids would do. There are a lot of different people in this world and they don’t all react the same. In fact some adults would purposely keep their voices calm in order not to scare the children but I’m not claiming that M did that. Just saying some people would. And no I don’t think kids make noise every second except maybe when on a ride at a theme park. Once in a while they breathe, sleep, eat etc.
Bye for now!

In the divorce paperwork it states (re Ron’s white truck he was driving the nut of the incident with CJ.. because he was not driving the 85 truck, he was driving the truck with the “writing on it”, as CJ stated, which is the 1995 model)

So:

“If needed, wife shall convey all right, title and interest in and to that certain 1995 GMC Sierra Pickup truck… ” (snipped as that is all that is needed)

So, Ron was driving a 1995 GMC Sierra pickup truck.

Model Sierra C1500

Year 1995

Engine Size 4.3L – 6 Cylinders • 5.0L – 8 Cylinders

Seating Capacity 3 Seats • 6 Seats

Fuel Type Gasoline

Class Pickup Truck

(Not sure if this link is allowed, but this shows up on many sites).

So, if both Ron and Misty had on a seatbelt, there are still 4 seatbelts available to strap in car or booster seats. (3 seats = 2 in the front and one long seat in the back)

Go to the videos of the truck it is a single cab pick up.

Even Greta van sustern asked her if she had been drinking or anything that made her sleep so sound . It was in a video. jmo

Listening…. it was reported by Art Harris/Tim Miller/Cobra that he said that there was no detergent… I believe!!

Tobias… If no drug test was done on Misty.. Maybe it’s because they already knew about here party weekend.

mail

Did you receive my e mail?

mC2 You need to get OFF of Tobias’ case and everyone else you disagree with… The going back and forth with Tobias was really sad…and very petty. You seem to have your mind made up that R & M are totally innocent which is still up in the air as they are/were Haleigh’s “parents” and the last people to see her….Like Tobias said, It is not rocket science. I will give you this mc2….Everyone is innocent until proven quilty. So please, in the future don’t be so quick to dismiss theories that involve the parents. That is how it works….
PS…Grow up

Good heavens, Blue Moon. What you said to me would be a little more appropriate to address to Tobias, don’t you think? Tobias is the one insisting she is right – all day everyday about everything and always with the same people at fault no matter what anyone else thinks.
I’m having a conversation WITH HER that I have (and am entitled to) other opinions. What is wrong with that?
I think it would help – and I was hoping that Tobias would understand that others are entitled to their opinions, too, without being hounded about them.
I think you’ve got this whole thing backwards.

And I do NOT think R & M are totally innocent of everything. I’m just tired to death of seeing them blamed for everything. There ARE other interpretations of the same info we have.

I’ve said that Tobias is entitled to her opinions. I’d like the same in return – instead I get continuous non-stop arguments.
You haven’t noticed that?

I do not have “sudden” theories.

I don’t think this is about me – unless you and some others are making it so?

I would like to be allowed my opinion even when it differs from others (including Tobias)

If this is about a little girl, and you really want to discuss what could have happened, then why are only Tobias’s comments and opinions okay?

I am not out of line.

Good night and please take the hostile attitude with you when you leave.

All,
This is an open forum, and it is also a public forum—meaning that anyone in the world can see comments left here. That includes Haleigh, should the most positive outcome occur. It also includes Haleigh’s relatives and friends, who love her dearly, and are devestated that she is gone. There should be some respect for these individuals, as again this is PUBLIC forum. That said, I do agree that until Haleigh is found…EVERYONE needs to be a suspect. That much should be a given. Yes, anyone of the players, and/or complete strangers may have taken her. We simply do not have enough evidence to point in ANY direction. As a result, everyone’s theories are as good as anyone elses. Maybe LE have more evidence that they are not releasing, maybe they dont. The point is there is not evidence in public domain to be certain about ANYTHING. Yes, we can theorize about anyone and anything, but lets remember again that the players are hurting, and until someone is convicted, all the players deserve our prayers and respect.

bonanzajb, thank you, that is a lovely post and so, so true.

Thank you Blue Moon for considering what I said instead of getting mad. I sincerely appreciate it. Hope you have a great week end!!! Treece

cent said,
in January 8th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

*** Off Topic ***

The couple that was trying to adopt baby Gabriel.
Does anyone else feel that Tammi and Jack Smith are loving the spot light…
I DO NOT TRUST THEM!!
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Yes and I don’t either but I have a feeling in my gut she killed that baby, so hope I’m wrong but I get a Casey Anthony vibe from her.

Glad to see you back, treece! =)

I took a little time off also. Glad to see some familiar “faces”.

As always, praying for HaLeigh. So sad that we are coming upon a year & we “seem” no closer to finding this precious child than we were on day 1. I’d LOVE to think LE knows SOMETHING — ANYTHING… but when I hear things like LE brought in Charlie Jones to question HIM… it makes me feel like they don’t know a whole lot. SAD… SO, SO SAD!

Poor HaLeigh. The devastation that her family (the innocent ones) must be feeling breaks my heart.

We have to stand United and strong. There’s not hardly any place available on the net that isn’t bashing Ron and Misty, the Cummings to a horrible degree daily. I come here because I can read and discuss openly and fairly everyone’s opinions on all the aspects of this blank case of missing Haleigh.

We have to talk reasonably with each other, please, I beg you. There’s no where else I can go read and post about this case that isn’t mericlessly destroying this side of the family. It’s hurtful, wrong and one day many will suffer as they have caused this family and honest innocent citizens like ourselves to endure by caring about this case.

I’ve seen all the posters here be above the fray of stalking agenda posters, with the exceptions of the trolls and haters, who Jan quickly bans and deletes inappropriate attacking posts. We can get along, for Haleigh and her families sake. For our own solace and sovereinty. Peace.

When we talk about those we feel maybe involved, especially any family member, we can get our points across and not be disrespectful in the process. Our points can be made professionally with better zeal and passion than being writer haters. We’re above that.

That would seem like good questions however no one knows Haleigh was in her bed. Even if she was several cases have transpired where a child was in their room with whole families in the house and the child taken by complete strangers how were they done? Baby Brandon was in his crib in his parents room taken while bio Mom slept and taken by two people how was that done? Polly Klass, Jessica Lunsford, & numerous others while the parent/parents slept through it. Never under estimate the capabilities of a predator. Wait for facts this could turn out to be a neighbour. IMO either LE has completely new information on some one not affiliated with the families at least not personally or they have another whack up crack story like the Tommy CROSLIN NONSENSE or have a lead by questionable grounds. Bond for free for exchange of info that can’t be substantiated & they are hoping for another to substantiate it & it will never happen or they are flat out full of BS. I find it interesting that the 911 dispatcher tells Jones she does not have the authority & cannot advice on legal matters yet the LE says the dispatcher handled the call alright because she gave excellent legal advice and knows the law. hmmm lol What bad liars they are. Further to that is the issue that the questioned asked to be addressed is the obvious lack of regard on behalf of the dispatcher regarding the children however that is not the question they answered or even remotely touched on, WOW. Yes these families have every right to want the FBI to take full control ASAP Please!!!!

This is not the first child abduction to be reported in the media and its not the first for LE they have to follow all leads even if they are of the families. I am sure they have researched all of the past abductions and have formed a guide to follow in an investigation.
These are trained and educated people, they know what they are doing. If it appears they do not, it may be because they cant get any of these parties to tell the truth. And I feel that if the families want her to be found they will endure any questioning no matter how painful. Teresa Neves even said she would give anything but her children and grandchildren, I believe she would. But I also believe she does not know anything about what happened. Others do and will lie to cover other secrets they have that they dont want made public. And some that may be lying to stay out of jail. That is my opinion and I dont believe I am alone in it.
Who had opportunity, who knew where she slept,
who knew Ron would be at work, who knew where the bricks were in the yard,who knew Misty either slept sound or was not there, who knew the area well,and who knew there were no dogs in the area that would bark,and who knew how to make it look like a SO ? JMO

I also have researched robberys and home invassions. Usually the person robbing will watch for a pattern (like when people leave and when the house is unoccupied) in which to get in and get out without detection. This would apply but these people have no set pattern to their lives. People are in and out,awake and asleep at differing hours. One of the Grandmas said they leave the TV on at night alot. That is the main reason I do not believe this was a stranger, this person knew so much before they even entered the MH that night. And remember Ron had only lived there for a couple of months and had only been on night shift for 4-5 weeks. jmo

Also we can not comment on Crystal or her family if there is nothing to comment about. Except that they are being very quiet and not involved in any incidents, so far anyways. When or if they are I will be on debating my opinion with that too. jmo

Fact is Haleigh is missing and fact is no one has found her or the person responcible.
Will she ever be found who knows? The person responcible knows.

I have one more thing to add before I leave for the day. If it were my child I would not be able to trust anyone around me or my child. I would forever wonder where my child is and if she were alive. I would look into everyones eyes and wonder did you do it? I would need to know. I could never really moveon.jmo

Not unless, like alot of other cases, someone slips and says something that incriminates someone. But then again we dont know what LE has. jmo

Anyone with the audacity to enter a home and kidnap a child while an adult and another child are present (or even to kidnap a child, regardless of who is present), does not care if we are writing about his/her/their crime. In fact, a sociopath will get a high off of our attention. The more that is written about the crime, the greater the high.

No argument, as there is nothing to argue with. I just cant believe that anyone so brazen to have done what he/she/they did (possibly including murder-intentional or not) and not have confessed by now has any feelings of guilt or discomfort whatsoever, and after one year certainly would have no fear of getting caught. If indeed it was a child predator/sociopath, the high of not getting caught may be lifted more by the constant public attention to the case. The only ones that I see that would love for us to go away is LE—who after one year are no closer to finding Haleigh than the night she disappeared. LE would love the media scrutiny of their competence to go away.

ty bjb for your answer.
—i understand better now!
—about le, i would think the law would want as much press (blogs incld) as possible in a missing persons case. in this case i am hoping they are working on something hush hush. but, i do understand why most are concerned, so am i!

in regards to previous post
i remember polly saying (she had lived in a m.h.), she thought to much noise for a intruder coming in and not waking misty up, especially coming into the same room and maybe even up to the same bed. so that is why some have trouble believing an abduction happened. by a known or an unknown person to the family or to haleigh herself. at least out of the m.h.

Holly GMom, I got the woolies when they talked about the house that Somer disappeared at was being renovated(drywall) was that ever looked into who did the drywall in that house? Like I said it gave me the woolies. jmo

In the somer case I think this person watched for the opportunity, was there in the area for days before they took her, and has anyone notice the days are 10 in the2 of the 3 unsolved cases?
Jan. 10- Feb. 10- Oct. 19 are there any more in the area? And the months , those are months that snow birds from other areas come down to florida. Just thinking of possibilities. jmo

I have been following this case from the beginning and the first thing that struck me and has never left my thoughts is the fact that the first interviews I saw of Misty crying in that high pitched barely intelligible voice, where there was no eye contact, was that she constantly said “I loved that little girl” and used past tense to refer to Haleigh. She also never said the child’s name. She kept saying things like “I was like her mother, I loved her, etc.” but never just flat out looked at the camera and said “Haleigh I miss you and if you can see this find a way to find a phone, but get home!” She was telling a story to me not calling out for the safe return of this child.

It was what she didn’t say that was so telling. I know she was coming off a drug binge and one thing about the favored xanax is that is causes amnesia in high doses, maybe she truly didn’t remember a lot but she sure knew that “She lovED that little girl”.

I just cannot get over that. With everything else, the fact that she didn’t immediately call 9-11, the fact that she couldn’t get her story straight either, the house was spotless, beds were perfectly made, didn’t look as though the house was even lived in let alone a child was just stolen!

Something stinks really bad with this case. I really think the accidental overdose theory is a very feasible one. A lot of druggies give their kids Benadryl when they want them to knock out so they can party, you can give a child an overdose of that too. Not sure how accurate a dose measurer would be coming off of polydrugging for a weekend straight. Especially since the cravings for more would have been so strong, she would’ve had the shakes, the sweats, very cranky, very high strung, lights, noises, everything would bother her. One more thing about coming off of drugs: insomnia. If she wasn’t using, she would not have been able to sleep, what-so-ever.

I have peripheral neuropathy and was on Duragesic patches but became allergic to them so they took me off of them, the dose of the alternate drug given wasn’t high enough and I had withdrawal symptoms, when I say they were bad, that is an understatement. I had to go to the hospital, I was going crazy! That is why I refuse to use those meds anymore, no way will I have something like that run my life. Imagine if I was a heavy duty Oxy head like these guys are.

My cousins ex-fiance went into a rage and almost choked her to death because he couldn’t score any oxycontin and he used 3 of the 80mg tabs per day. It only took him 4 hours to start acting really crazy. Imagine this woman, mad at RC, left with these kids, especially one she had to spank sometimes to “keep her in line”, wanting drugs, getting the cravings, the stomach cramps, the shakes, and sweats, dizziness, extreme fatigue, pain, and just being really out of sorts having to deal with arguments with RC on the phone, probably because she wanted to score and he wanted her to stay home with the kids, and she just wanted drugs.

I can see why she would resort to having someone, anyone bring her something. What did she have to pay with? Her body. If the reports about JR saying the couch was bouncing is accurate, most likely that is what happened, she had sex for drugs to stop the massive withdrawal. When someone is in the state, nothing else matters.

For all we know, RC snitched on this person or their boss in the past (if he was/is a narc)and they were waiting for a chance to get back at him. Once Misty was comatose, they seized the opportunity and took the child.

That is how the “B****” got his child stole. Any a number of things happened, but Misty is the most logical the link. There is no humanly way possible that she came off that binge with such intense withdrawal that most definitely occurs that she had no ill effects and just did laundry, put the kids to bed, and played Suzy Homemaker like a big girl.

These are my opinions but knowing how bad withdrawal can be, and knowing she couldn’t go to a hospital which is what she really needed not more drugs, she had to get the fix and this was the cost.

Of course she won’t admit that. If you were raised in that situation and had the heavy addiction she does, would you?

This child died because of drug abuse. The people who introduced her to the addicts and dealers are completely responsible. Anyone who knew what was happening and didn’t stop it, is completely responsible. She didn’t stand a chance. I hope Daddy can clean himself up for Jr’s sake. That little boy deserves a fighting chance to be a better man than those around him turned out to be.

(JMO, of course)

Has everyone moved to a diff thread or site? No updates here…

Gotcha! Thanks m2c!!