I am not sure Crystalkdreams. I tried them on my pc and they worked just fine

Jan Barrett

Oh good. I thought it was just my puter.

Listen really close at the beginning of Mistys 911 she says no I am hot on him.

THANK YOU TJ THESE PEOPLE NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN. tHEY COULD HAVE BEEN INJURED.

Roadside incident occurred at 10:00 pm - 10:30 pm. I nearly jumped out of my seat when cj said:
“I know how Putnam COunty works, he ain’t gonna go to jail…” This needs to be investigated. They need to have LE outside of PCSO, maybe FBI or FLDE interview CJ about exactly what he meant by this and what “proof” he has to support. I think he’s right about favoritism, but it’s JMO

You can clearly heard Ronald’s truck advancing at a high rate of speed several times during that 911 call by CJ. Did Ron not realize he was on the phone with LE? Oh yea, background noises mean nothing to Ron (possible beeping of microwave during Haleigh 911 call). I’m downloading Goldwave today and take it apart. This 911 call too. I could swear I heard some yelling from truck a couple of times.

I don’t believe for one second that children were with them. I think Misty just said that to make the story sound better. She wasn’t planning on giving her name, so lying about kids being endangered by CJ was ok. Let’s hear from some of the “family”. Those who always seem to know where they are or what they are driving, please tell us what 2 kids were with them, if any. Were there children with them? If not, why did she LIE TO LE? Starting to sound like a pattern….wonder what other incidents they have “backed each other up” about. JMO

I was in Rons corner for a long time but he is making it hard not to wander about his involvement in this case. Why is he still involved with this Woman? She is a magnet for trouble and I believe she brings it all on herself. Teresa you need to talk some sense into your boy.jmo

CJ also states he passed a squad car along the way while he was speeding. Hopefully there are some witnesses that will come forward on this.jmo

Where is everybody??? Must be due to the Holiday….I thought that Blue Moon was lucky.
(About new info & developments)

I dont think Ron wanted her to call 911 but no she is hot on him and calls anyways. I also hear the rev in CJ 911, it sounds to me like she is playing Ron again like she did when her family showed up and got into a fight that landed Ron in jail. When will he learn to stay away from this b oh I mean girl?jmo

Question, I have read somwhere , may have been on BBN Blogs that Ron was going to talk to Haleigh. This is been in the last couple of days. Has anyone else read this? Thanks.

Sounds like more going on here than meets the eye. What really started this altercation? You mean all you have to do is drive down the road minding your own business and something like this happens? What really started this?
I’m sorry, but I think Misty thrives on trouble and drama. Maybe that’s all she knows. Maybe it’s her way of getting attention. That’s the last thing she needs right now. This just tells me my instinct was right. I never felt they stopped seeing each other. I think it was all for publicity. I think Ron feels like he has to protect Misty from something or someone. That makes him her hero and shows her that he loves her. (in her mind)
I don’t think Ron believes Misty had anything to do with Haleigh’s abduction. Maybe she didn’t directly. I’m still not convinced she was at home the night Haleigh was taken. If that’s the case, it really could have been anyone. Apparently LE feels it’s not a stranger. I’m hoping they know and are just piecing it all together so no mistakes are made and the charges will stick.

yes, AnneInTN, Ms Neves stated to reporter/media that Ron was going to go off alone to “talk to Haleigh…he needs to talk to Haleigh” about Christmas Day. He’d be there for the opening of presents but would be going off alone to talk to Haleigh.
Stormgardener, I agree…
I’m uploading the audio file to the Goldwave audio program. I’ll let you know what I hear at the begining as well as through out. Does nayone know of an audio hosting site? I need to post the results for others to listen to and determine for themselves what they hear.

I beleive she was there but she wasnt asleep.
Little bits of the truth leak through like when she talks about having a gun put in her mouth, she would freak out, but she would still tell. She never seems genuine to me, I think when she cries its for herself and whats gonna happen when it all comes out and she goes to jail. jmo

Hi…

How was Ron going to talk to HaLeigh…. are they speaking about prayer, meditation… Don’t get me wrong, I talk to my “spirit” loved ones all the time, but, they have crossed over.

I can kind of understand that maybe Ms Neves meant that Ron was spending time alone thinking about his daughter who wasn’t there.
Remembering her at a special time of the year.
Maybe her way (or his way) of expressing it is “talking to her.” I think if I had a loved one missing I’d still “talk” to them in a way. I’d do the same kind of thing - want alone time to “talk” to them and think of them. And he may have given up hope that she’s alive.

I’m sure parents in that position probably go back and forth - one minute believing they’re alive and the next afraid that they aren’t. What an awful awful situation.

I believe when someone calls 911, it would be natural to expect the police to come. At the end of the call when the operator made it clear they weren’t interested (argghhh!) Misty sounded very disappointed.

So given that, I do not think Misty would lie about there being children in the car. Also she mentions seeing a patrol car nearby. So one could arrive very soon. It just doesn’t make any sense for her to lie about there being children in the car. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

ohhh yeah…. I also want to know why there is no mention of the children in the report

***thanks m2c your 5:18 post… made me remember about the children***

Whose children were in the truck? Ron only has Junior who was the other child?

cent: regarding your 5:23pm post -
It’s a small town.

They should all be arested in my opinion, they could have killed or injured someone else on the road.

Here is a rough trnascript of the CJ 911 call includes exact timestamps of truck accelerating past. (3 times)

I too think that the dispatcher on CJ’s call acted “exasperated”. To me CJ sounds frantic at least at one point. With the truck sounds just as he’s claiming Ron is “attacking” I find this call totally believeable.

In the Misty 911 call the operator sounded “miffed” that someone was calling in to report a crime of this magnitude (She said 2 kids were in the car with them) and they didn’t want to give thier name? When the operator asked again if she was sure she didn’t want to give her name and Misty replied “No” the operator was like “What do you mean you don’t want to give your name? You just said someone is endangering your life & the lives of your children?” (paraphrase) I can see why she would feel this way. If someone, anyone, was endangering the lives of others, especially children, they should make a full report, immediately. Don’t you think? To not do so implies it is not that serious or possibly made up. Even if they were gonna get “hounded” or harrassed, the children’s welfare is upper most, is it not? Save their own embarassment, putting the kids in jeopardy. Remember that the supposed “attack” was occuring DURING that call. If they were still being attacked why would she give up so easily? Why wouldn’t she want an officer ASAP? I’d love to know exactly when these two calls came in. Were they simultainous, Misty first? (I suspect) or Cj first?

:54 (seconds into call) truck reves past as CJ says “Here he comes again, tryin to ram me.” sound lasts for 3 seconds until :57

1:00 CJ says “He just ran me off of the road just now, I almost went in a ditch”

1:30 “Now he’s in front of me tryin to slam on brakes.”

2:00 “I know he’s got a gun in his truck, I know he does but it’s concealed, so the cops said it’s legal” (at this point the dispatcher guffas without saying anything) The legality of a firearm in a vehicle (as I know it) is that it must be at least 4 steps away from reach. Example: 1) open golve box 2) remove gun 3) remove from holster 4) aim
I do not know if this is what CJ meant or something else.

2:20 “If he tries to shoot me and I shoot him will I go to prision for shooting him?

2:28 Dispatcher “I can not advise you”

2:32 “He’s trying to pull me over now, again”

2:40 “See I just hit the back of his truck cause he slammed on brakes”

2:45 - 2:50 Background sound of a large vehicle accelerating away.

2:50 Dispatcher “Is he in front of you or behind you? Or is he in front of you?

2:53 CJ “No, he’s in front of me slamming on brakes”

3:03 CJ “He’s yellin out the window “I’ll kill you bitch, that’s a threat ain’t it? That’s against the law?”

3:05 Dispatcher “well, when you speak with a deputy you can ask them about that.”

3:12 CJ “I’m about to pull over and just punch this MFer …”

3:14 “No, you’re not! Do not pull over and fight him”

3:35 “Yes, mam”

3:55 CJ “No I’m…we’re going down 308B and he’s following again”

4:03 CJ “He’s behind me now tryin to ram me”

4:12 CJ “Where’s the officer at?”

4:16 Dispatcher “We’re trying to get one to you as quick as we can”

4:30 CJ “Now I’m sitting at the Welatka ball field. He’s way behind me”

4:43 Cj “Here he comes again. He was like a 1/4 mile behind me…here he comes again”

4:50 CJ “I’m trying to pull over to find a cop, to get to me and he just keeps comming”

4:50 - 4:58 background noise of vehicle accelerating again

5:00 CJ “Now he’s flickering his lights”

5:05 Dispatcher “you’re still continueing?”

5:06 CJ “Yea..every time I pull over to stop…”

5:10 CJ “Now he’s turned down a back road.”

5:15 CJ “I’m, pulled over at 11th…11th avenue”

5:22 Dispatcher “You’re now at 11th and 308?”

5:25 CJ “Yea, here he comes again..”

5:29 CJ “I’m pulling off (out) again headin towards Pomona”

5:27 - 5:29 Background noise of vehicle accelerating again

(typing sounds)

5:48 Cj “He pulled a gun out of the truck and pointed it at me when I was behind him earlier and said “I’ll kill you”..that’s when I cut right to go around him and hit the back of his truck…and that’s when…I guess he didn’t have a shot so..I hit the back of the truck”

6:08 CJ “Mame, I’m just letting you know now that if he don’t go to jail over this …I will show up at his house”

6:14 Dispatcher “Listen, you can not make threats like that…you need to speak with a deputy about this.”

6:17 CJ “Well, he should go to jail…I just had a gun pulled on me…I know how Putnam county works…

6:22 CJ “He’s not gonna go to jail..”

6:30 CJ “Alright, I’m goin on 308. I’m passin Pinapple and everything…

6:37 Dispatcher “You’re passing the fruit bowl?”

6:39 CJ “Yea”

6:43 Cj “And he’s still behind me commin up quick..”

6:50 CJ “I believe that’s his truck, I know he pulled over but he got back out..

7:00 CJ “Where is an officer at?”

7:02 Dispatcher “We have one looking for you…we have multiple looking for you”

7:06 CJ “I’m doing 70 here…I’m not trying to get a speeding ticket but I’m not tryin to get shot neither.”

7:10 Dispatcher “Ok, what I need you to do is slow down and do the speed limit, ok?”

7:13 CJ (frantic) “If I slow down he gets beside me and pulls a gun…WTF am I supposed to do? I’m not tryin to get shot?”

7:20 Dispatcher “You need to be safe and not cause any accidents…if you get in an accident that involves somebody else, that’s on you.”

7:30 CJ “Well, this man needs to stop pullin a gun on me. I’m tryin to do the speed limit but he keeps pullin a gun.”

7:45 Dispatcher “Where are you at now?”

7:48 CJ “I’m turnin around headin back toward Welatka”

7:50 Cj “I got over a hill and I don’t think he can see me.”

7:52 Dispatcher “ok,So why are you going back towards him?”

7:54 CJ “No, cause I don’t think he can see me right now so I’m headin back the opposite way”

7:59 Dispatcher “So you’re gonna pass him and you don’t think he’s gonna see you?”

8:03 CJ “Naw, I just went over some hills so I don’t think he can see me.He was back aways behind me”

8:05 Dispatcher “But you’re still gonna have to pass him right?”

8:12 CJ “Yea, eventually…I think this might be him”

8:15 Dispatcher “Why would you do that?”

8:16 CJ “Because, by the time I get past him, I’m gonna be gone…with the headlights comming directly at him he can’t tell my car.”

8:22 Dispatcher “You turned around now?”

8:27 CJ “Yea, I’m half a mile from ? Springs headin back into Welatka”

8:50 Dispatcher “You don’t have any weapons do you?”

End of segment

and said “I’ll kill you” that’s when I

4:38 CJ “I’m stopped almost in the road right now.”

This is not a full transcript of the call. Most quotes are accurate. Timestamps are accurate.

Hollys Gmom thank you so much for the transcript! Do you mind if I snip it and share in my group? It clears up so much…Thank you again!

The big question here is why Misty was great friends with CJ and his family enough to give them her cel number and staying there at one time. Now they are having a falling out why?jmo

When I was out driving the last few days there were police everywhere. Its the holidays and they are out in force to collect on d.u.i although its another state I do live in a small(pop.3000) community.jmo

Good Night all, Hope no one gets hurt or killed while I sleep. Just hope they concentrate on finding Haleigh and stop the nonsense already. jmo

MADJGNLAW;
You’re welcome! and no I don’t mind if you use it. MsP you’re wlecome as well. Thank you.

I have just completed the Misty 911 call transcript as well. Misty mentions 2 kids in the car twice. No sounds of vehicles in background, no sounds of scared kids, no sounds of either Ron or Misty comforting kids or even recognizing their presence. Seems strange…

Here it is and again it is a rough transcript. Not every word is listed, just the general idea with timestamps exact and quotes exact or extremely close.

“No, I’m hot on him!”

01: Dispatcher “911, Do you have an emergancy?”

04: Misty “Yes, I’m on 309 in Satsuma going into Welatka…

12: There was car…going…it’s a white, a white Gran Prix…just run us

off the road

:19 there are two children in the car…

26: The license plate is …D59 3mj

45: “It’s white and a man named Charles Jones is driving it

47: RON in background “and it belongs to Heather whoever”

48: Misty “We know the person but we have 2 children in the car.”

51: “He just ran us off the road.”

1:00 “We’re almost to Welatka”

1:10 Dispatcher “Where are you all at now?”

1:12 Misty “Well, we are passin …Shell Harbor”

1:16 “We laready passed Shell…we’re almost to be in Welatka”

1:35 Dispatcher “are you South bound?”

1:38 Misty “Yes, yes mame”

1:43 Dispatcher “Where is that vehicle at?”

1:46 Misty “Now it’s behind us…

1:52 Dispatcher “Who’s drivin it?”

1:53 Misty “His name is Chales Jones”

1:55 Dispatcher “Is it a white male or a black male?”

1:58 Misty “He’s a white male”

1:59 Dispatcher “Why is running you guys off of the road? Is he mad at you?”

2:00 Misty “We have no idea”

2:01 Dispatcher “Ok…what did he say?” (Talking about Ron in the background)

2:03 Misty “He lives in ????”

2:06 Dispatcher “So what’s you name?”

2:13 Misty “Do I have to give you my name, I don’t really want to do that.”

2:15 Dispatcher (Incredulously) “He ran you off the road…with your kids in the car!”

2:20 Misty “ummm…

2:23 Dispatcher “I mean you don’t have to leave your name…”

2:25 Misty “No they’re just gonna harass us…we don’t want that we just
want this person…”

2:30 Dispatcher “Well the only way we’re gonna be able to stop them is if

we see them driving wreckless…if we observe them driving wreckless.”

2:38 Misty “Ok, then never mind then.”

2:39 Dispatcher “You mean you don’t want to…I mean…ok”

2:40 Misty “alright”

2:41 Dispatcher “alright”

End of call

I’ve clipped the part that some think Misty says “I’m hot on him”. I slowed it down by 1/2 then 2/3. When slowed down it still sounds like “I’m hot on him” It is open for debate though as I can almost hear m2c’s version of “No, I’m callin on him”. I’m looking for a hosting site for the audio clips so that others can listen to the slower version to see for themselves and decide what they think she is saying.

hgm, i think misty said i am hot on here! meaning i am on the police line - being recorded???? but, i am not sure.

goodnight hgm, you answered a few questions on had on the calls.

According to all the streets and directions these people are traveling Ron passed 2nd street in Welaka where he was headed and persued CJ towards pomona. Does anyone else see it that way? jmo

Sorry, I did not see the earlier reference to what I thought I heard. And I thought I put that on another article. Oh, dear. Sorry about that.

Got to go for the evening.

Wishing everyone a great New Year! And one in which Haleigh is found.

Maybe if Ron and Misty were put in jail for a few days for their shenanigans they would start to have withdrawals and thinking they might get out of the slammer one of them
would talk and say something new about HaLeigh ?

Absolute BS. How many times did he happen to mention he just knew Ron had a gun in his truck. Then he says a cop told him he had his CHL so he could legally do so, what cop? and when? and why? How did he see a palm sized gun, which Ron has a Beratta 9mm which is not palm size, while he was driving 90 MPH much less hear Ron scream something at him at that speed. He said he ran into the back of Ron’s truck yet there is no damage? at 90 MPH there’s going to be lots of damage. He scared for his life and screaming for Ron to be arrested yet turns his vehicle around and heads right back towards where Ron was…Then he asks if he can shoot Ron and when dispatch asks if he has a weapon, Charlie hangs up.

How long after Misty called did Charlie call?

There’s so much BS in his story I had to wear rubber boots while listening to his 911 call.

hello m2c♥, well i owe you an apology. i was thinking what you said and typed what others said. i was thinking we had three different possibilities.

i would like to take away what i originally posted. (i am hot on here!) i went and got my ipod headphones (my better ones are broken) and i think i am hearing misty answer ronald, saying something like - ??no one GOT on here?? GOT as opposed to hot. or maybe ??no one is on, on here?? either way it sounds like misty hurriedly said that the 911 operator was not answering yet. (but, i don’t have the best hearing, sooo.)

i wish when misty said she saw the cop that they had pulled over. i asked earlier what ronald said after he swore at 00:56. i think i can hear what r.c. said with the hdfns. j these fg ppl. and then something like
???that ?cop? still needs to come on??? or maybe something about ??that guy is still coming on??

well whatever games are being played they all need to stop. i really hope there were not children in the car. if there were, and le figures out who is really responsible, i hope they file charges concerning endangering the children.

Ms Peridot @ 7:14 pm:

I apologize. I did not see your post until this morning.
I agree that it’s the 911 operator’s job to try to get the caller’s name.
I was just saying that I understand Misty being reluctant to give it - knowing it was being recorded and would be broadcast. But to me Misty was clearly asking for help, for a police car to come help them and she sounded disappointed when the 911 operator basically said, “sorry, nothing we can do.”

That was irresponsible IMO. If two cars that had had an altercation while in motion, are stopped, the police won’t go? My gosh, THAT’s when people get shot!

Also if the 911 ops can’t hear for typing then maybe they ought to invent a better system. The caller is kind of expected to be in imminent danger and may not be able to repeat themselves for pete’s sake. Plus I still think the 911 ops’ tone was at best “uninterested.”

I agree that the 911 operator who talked with Charles sounded professional but only AFTER he mentioned guns and wanting to fight and stuff. Then the 911 op clearly went into professional mode saying all the things she’s supposed to in order to prevent an altercation. But before that she sounded exasperated to me. (JMO)

Oh, it worked, thank goodness. Except for the frown at the 911 op. But that’s okay.
I didn’t want to somehow create a negative symbol toward you, Ms. P! Yikes!

msp, I agree, and hope someone is held responsible for endangering children. I think Ron really had kids with him because when Misty said that she was thinking police were coming to them.
m2c, I agree the operator sounded “uninterested”, “exasperated” like she was annoyed they had interrupted her from her favorite TV show.

Before we know it there will be a new story. Someone will have heard Ron threatening Misty. He will have been heard, by a reliable source yelling at Misty, “I’ll kill you bitch”.ha ha
Maybe Misty needs to file a protective order.

Something that struck me as I woke up…
this is just a what if senario but see if it makes sense. IF Misty said “I’m hot on him” could that mean she was driving? The reason I thought about this is Ron is yelling to her the license plate number. Now I realize he could be doing this as the driver, but why would Misty need him to is she’s right there on the front seat next to him? Can’t she look out the front window and see it too??? Not to mention she corrects herself as to what the plate number is. Wasn’t she looking right at it? or was she distracted by driving and talking with LE on 911?
Just a thought…what do you guys think?

BTW Happy New Year to all! and I do mean all.

I am sure anything is possible but I wouldn’t think Ron would let her drive when they weren’t wanting to be seen together. I would speculate that maybe she said, I’m hot at him, meaning mad at him. But I couldn’t hear it good enough to know what she said, just an idea.

I didn’t understand that CJ said the gun was prior to the call. At 2:00 he says he knows Ron has gun - but it is concealed.
If a gun had previously been pulled on him surely he wouldn’t say it’s concealed.
At 5:48 he says pulled gun earlier.
That has no logic to me, that even more makes me think CJ is making it up as he goes. But I could
be wrong.

I also, took it that CJ was saying Ron had the license…I just think if Ron had already pulled a gun on him CJ would have told it then. To later say he pulled a gun on me would have to mean the gun was pulled after the 1st stmt that Ron had the license….
To me if I called 911 because someone pulled a gun on me that would be the 1st thing I said. If I was trying to get away from someone who pulled a gun on me I also wouldn’t stop to let them catch up with me 2 times and then turn around to drive back & see where they are at.
If Ron was chasing him at high speeds how did he get so far ahead of Ron to stop and wait? It just seems like pure BS to me. If my son came home and told me this same story I would say, BS and why would you be such a dumb ass to turn around?? I would say that to my son and I believe anything he tells me normally. Maybe I am just missing something but I can’t see any validity to his story and he’s scared but wants to go to ROn’s house? But I do know the way I think and the way they think are far from the same thing and I am thankful for that. ha ha Happy New Year to you, too.
I am hoping and praying this year brings many answers and much closure for many.

The 911 operator tells Charles: “7:02 Dispatcher “We have one looking for you…we have multiple looking for you.”

Why would she not tell Misty that a car is looking for them? Because she never sent one, she wasn’t interested. Unbelievable.

m2c, I agree. I also thought Misty might not want to give her name because they didn’t want it going out on the scanner. If LE would have responded and stopped them they would known who they were then. But what they do it that area and the rest of the world seems to be a totally opposite. I thought anyone can call in anonymous if they want to do so.

I guess you all can tell I’m a wee bit disgusted with PCSO right now.

I’ll take a break for a while. BBL

If I were in a road rage incident with two children I certainly wouldnt care who knew my name. If indeed they were in danger the thought of harassment would not outwiegh safety. That just makes no sense. And both of these parties know the area, they could have gone to a very public area and waited for LE to show up. jmo

Giving your name is NOT a requirement. It was the 911 operator who decided that the situation - involving two children - did not warrant sending assistance.

I don’t care and it is utterly irrelevant to me whether Misty gave her name or not. Very likely if the 911 operator had answered “yes,” to Misty’s question, “Do I have to?” Misty would have given her name. But the operator said, “no” (that she did not have to.

The issue here is that LE chose not to send help to a car with children in it (when the other car was right behind them).

Oops! I guess I didn’t take a long enough break! lol! Sorry about that! BBLater

m2c♥ said,in January 2nd, 2010 at 11:25 am
Why would she not tell Misty that a car is looking for them? Because she never sent one, she wasn’t interested. Unbelievable

m2c…I think the reason the operator didn’t mention one to Misty was due to the call just comming in, they were just responding. Also I don’t think the operator was trying to “guilt” her into it… just that they can not take it seriously if she wants to remain annonymous or they can not legally pull him over and charge him is she isn’t willing to make a FULL report unless they saw him driving erratically. JMO

Charlie Jones definitely has guns. Here’s a picture from Christmas.

http://i47.tinypic.com/20szz1z.jpg

m2c♥ said,in January 2nd, 2010 at 11:49 am
She asked the op if she “had to” give her name and the op said, no. So that should not have been the problem.
(If she wanted to file a report she would have to give her name, otherwise no report of criminal activity would be filed)

She said they could not help unless the officer witnessed the reckless driving.
(If she didn’t file a report with her name included)

The op never said that to Charles who admitted he was “evading” the other car and out of sight of it.
(He gave his name…we just can not hear it due to excerpts being missing - same goes for original Haleigh 911 call. When Misty gives her Haleigh’s name, first, last, and middle also with Misty’s name & spelling of it we can not hear her replies

I’ll check to see if the scanner activity “log” mentions when which call came in also.

If someone is chasing you down a long, dark, rural hwy and you get the chance to turn around without being seen then head back in the direction of town/PCSO/opposite direction than “aggressor” is traveling you would shoot right past them before they realized it and you would have a good lead should they also turn around to follow. Yes?

CJ says multiple times he has “pulled off” hoping it would be easier to find him. Then once he sees Ron’s truck comming he takes off again. This is why the time for passing landmarks seems off. We can not judge exact times by these audios as they 1) aren’t complete 2)CJ claims to have stopped several times. I think the most that we can determine is the path of the “chase”, where it occurred, who’s neighborhood was closest, what possible reason either car would be on that hwy, etc

If indeed there were kids in the truck I have a feeling they were Tommys boys going to play with Junior. Misty was probably babysitting again. Someone put a restraining order saying she souldnt have contact with any kids till Haleigh is found gezzz.jmo

She obviously did not tell the police there were kids in the car but she told the 911 operator that there were 2 kids with them,why is that? jmo

Lyndsy is in enough trouble trying to keep DCSF from taking the kids because of Tommy and Hanks shananigans and now this. She is probably livid. jmo

CJs call was different in that a gun was involved. jmo

Crystal didn’t cry that long and I never hear you picking her apart, why is that?

Also added to the fact that WHILE the “attacker” is STILL behind them Misty determines that if she has to give out her name then “never mind”. WHILE he is still behind them trying to run them off the road??? Come on! While he is still in persute of them? While they are still potentially going to get run off of the road? She had 2 more chances to change her mind before the call ended. Misty ended the call as LE operators can not do so.
They MUST remain on the line until the caller hangs up.

Treece, I think Crystal is a bad mother in the fact that Ron even had a chance to have the kids but at the same time I think she is already regretting that. And I am trying not to pick on the Parents at anytime unless they do something stupid that gets reported, like this. Sorry if you think I am being on Crystals side I am far from it. If Haleigh were to be found alive I would not like the idea of her being with either parent. jmo

And CJ obviously had a gun with him because he said, “2:20 “If he tries to shoot me and I shoot him will I go to prision for shooting him?”

The whole thing is a mess. Once again there is no way to tell what the real truth is. That’s why I’m not even discussing who started this or who did what. My main interest is the 911 call which, as I said, I found the response to (in Misty’s case) woefully incompetent and irresponsible (especially in comparison to the response to CJ) and in both cases somewhat lacking in professionalism (the exasperated “attitude” part of the time).

Hgm you said: “Also added to the fact that WHILE the “attacker” is STILL behind them Misty determines that if she has to give out her name then “never mind”. WHILE he is still behind them trying to run them off the road??? Come on!”

That is not what happened at all. The 911 operator did not refuse help because Misty did not give her name. The 911 operator clearly stated that LE could not help unless they saw the reckless driving themselves. Even I took that response as a kiss-off. That’s why Misty gave up.

And Misty had just told the op that the other car was behind them and that’s when the op shot her down. This is NOT Misty’s fault.

m2c, yes this too is Misty’s fault. Let’s see what all has been her fault now, Haleigh’s abduction, Ron marrying and divorcing her, Tim M making an ass of himself with his LDTs and tales, Donna’s road rage stunt, LE screwing this case up, and now Charles Jones acting like a raging fool. I am sure there are many more things that I have forgotten that are Misty’s fault. See why I say they think she is awfully powerful to pull all this off.

Charles is so lying. On his call he says he knows he’s got a gun then later he talks about how earlier he pulled a gun on him and said he’d kill him. If he pulled a gun he would have mentioned it when he was talking about the gun the first time when he asked if he could shoot him leagally. He want to fight Ron, he went back to him after he was soooo scared of getting shot. He is setting Ron up !

Vaquera, I am glad Crystal went to the fair and tried to give her other kids some fun. All of the siblings in this case have experienced a painful loss and don’t understand. Not only have they lost Haleigh but their own relationships with their parents have been affected terribly. There is no easy way to handle this. This is a time to rally around the families and try to give as much support as we can. I think it is sad Ron was pressured to divorce Misty. He should have been given time to decide for himself what he needed to do. Another sad thing is how many came to them pretending to be a “friend” to only stab them.

Treece the only time Ron is in trouble is when he is around Misty. No one for months has anything bad to say about Ron until he gets around her. Funny how he can cope and there are no problems until she comes around. jmo

The people I will not suspect are the Parents unless they show a reason with their actions.
Misty and her actions leaves me to beleive she is the key like LE says. She has never stopped acting like irresponcible person because that is what she is. Walks like a duck must be a duck sorry.jmo

Tobias, Misty has never stopped acting like an irresponsible person, ok, she’s irresponsible but that does not mean she is lying about Haleigh.

M2C, Ron has got to know there are always going to be people who try to blame him by now.It has been 11 months, why add fuel to the fire being around Misty? There are plenty of other women in Florida and I am sure he could date someone new without all the baggage that Misty has. He better get a thick skin because until Haleigh is found I dont think these people are going to stop. There are some real haters out there, we saw quite afew with the Anthonys. If you dont want problems keep a low profile and stay away from trouble , think ahead for possible problems and how to react.jmo

Tobias, I would hope that no one would allow a group of haters to rule their lives. Or allow anyone to tell them who they can see, date, talk to or anything else.

We do not KNOW what Ron and Misty’s relationship is. A lot is being assumed - about him, her, and them. I would never presume to second-guess, Monday-morning quarterback, advise, predeict or pretend to put myself in their shoes. I have no idea what they are really like or what they’re going thru. It is extremely easy - and extremely unrealistic - to sit here and think he/she should not do this or that. Also, even when Misty is relatively quiet (like away in Tennessee) it did not stop the rumor-mongering or hatred or speculation. For some people Ron and/or Misty cannot get one moment’s break from vicious critcism no matter what.

Maybe Ron figured that Charles could have a gun. Maybe Ron didn’t have one or didn’t want to use it.
Maybe there was no safe public place to pull in wherever they were when Misty called. Maybe trying to stay away from an aggressor who might want to fight you is better than parking and letting him get near you.
This is the kind of armchair second-guessing that is just unrealistic to me.

To me if I didn’t know anything about either driver if this was just presented to me as driver a, Ron, and driver b, CJ I would be most suspicious of driver B. Just because driver b pulls over to wait for driver A to catch up with him 2 times. If driver A was chasing driver B how did driver B get so far ahead of him to have to pull over and wait for him to catch up. If Driver A had truly pulled a gun I do not believe driver B would be stupid enough to pull over and wait. Now to me this is strictly based on logic. If someone pulled a gun I would think this person is crazy I want to get as far from him as I can.

Charles Jones story is BS! I can back up that statement with his own words. I analyzed the 911 calls for reverse speech.

Charles Jones: …and he’s yelling out the window “I’ll kill you bitch”…
Reverse: It be useful know that I did it.

So it would seem HE is lying about who said who would kill who to the dispatcher.

Later;
Dispatcher: You’re on 308 now?
Charles Jones: Yeah. Heading towards Samona. He’s behind me now trying to ram me, and flicking the lights.
Reverse: When I find him I’ll kill him, and I will shoot in the head.

In the first example of reverse speech he clarifies that HE is the one who said “I’ll kill you bitch”. The next reversal he is proclaiming he will kill Ronald by shooting him in the head. This indicates he DOES have a gun himself. Later in the conversation to the dispatcher he says that if Ronald is not arrested he will go to Ronald’s house. The dispatcher cuts him off before he makes any specific threat. He had also asked the dispatcher if Ronald shoots at him and he shoots back, will he be the one going to prison. This guy Charles has shooting on the brain. The only thing I believe about his call is his intent to kill Ronald.

I don’t know what’s going on between Ronald and Charles, but it is clear that Charles is a potential loose cannon and LE should be taking a VERY close look at him. Ronald should be staying as far away from him as possible for his own safety.

sorry folks….very tired right.

TJ, you have nothing to apologize for, this is an extremely draining case, you being weary with it is totally understandable. Thank you for all the work, sweat and tears you have invested in Haleigh. Take some time for yourself, your family, get some rest and relaxation and don’t feel guilty for it. Treece

ShanHS

Reverse: When I find him I’ll kill him, and I will shoot in the head

This is not explicit evidence as he could be reverse speaking this due to his own anger about being chased and having a gun pulled on him…Don’t you think? Is his current state and what is happening taken into consideration. it’s not like he’s calmly on a TV interview as so many other audios you have used. Don’t get me wrong…I LOVE your work and have defended you here and elsewhere. I am facinated by it and have tried it briefly myself once or twice. (I’m not as proficient as yourself) As a matter of fact I’m …let’s just say the “I’m not the despot” clip had some ripple effects.
Could you please take a listen to specific peices of the 911 call in FORWARD for me? They need the voice in the background pulled forward. I have been reading the manual for Goldwave and sort of have an idea how but would love some advice, if you can. I have a specific list of the timestamps that I would like for you to listen to or whatever.

TJ - You’ve done an excellent job and I’m sure all of us are more grateful than you know. Thank you!

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Yes, Vaquera. I was imagining myself in my home with some madman banging on my front door trying to get in and me on the phone with 911. Then I say, “The guy just ran around to the back door.” And the dispatcher says, “Is he banging on it?” And I say, “No.” And then she says, “Well we can’t do anything unless we see him banging on it and trying to break in.” (End of discussion). LOL except it is NOT funny.

OK, say you’re an officer. You have to write out a report on a crime to charge an individual. You HAVE to have the person’s name who is making the complaint. Does it make sense? Have you EVER seen a person charged with a crime against an annonymous person unless they were a minor? If you look at ANY police report there will be at least 2 names on the form…the victim and the perp. Maybe more if others are involved or witnesses on the scene. If a witness makes out a statement they MUST give their name as well. The op on the call was trying to tell Misty that without going into it fully. There were only 20 seconds between when she asked and when Misty ended the call. I still believe that she was trying to tell Misty that if she wanted to remain annonymous she couldn’t file a report therefore CJ could only be charged with something if an officer sees him driving wrecklessly themselves (hoping they were going to be on scene soon) CJ remained on his call for 6 minutes after Misty hung up. Misty claimed passing Shell Rd 1 minute and 22 seconds into the call. CJ claimed passing Shell road 12 seconds into his call. This means that Misty dial 30-50 seconds prior to CJ. I think that after Misty hung up (I do think SHE was confused about not being able to do anything unless she gave her name) I think that after she hung up with 911 and they thought “Well, they’re not gonna do anything”, Ron decided to retaliate. I think ALL parties were playing stupid road games, most especially IF children were with them.. I ask again, how did Misty, Ron, and 2 kids in car seats fit into the cab of his truck? Is it King-cab? front and back or side seats? What I’d love to know is exactly what started it all. I find it too implausable that the very first time they are out together, even to get her stuff, that they would just happen to have a run-in. What are the odds on something like that? No one else in town has been bothering them or hounding them. At least not that we’ve heard about. So why this guy? For absolutely no reason? He wants the world to know that M & R are “hanging out together”? What was the motive here? Either M & R were not the original agressors OR they called to make a counter-complaint. Do you know that if both parties make a complaint against each other the deciding party would be evidence to the contrary or one of the statements and/or a witnesses statement. Misty would be the witness…she would have to give her name or no report could be filed. Calling in an annonymous tip is one thing….calling in a crime is another. Ron says it’s Cj, Cj says it’s Ron…how do the cops know unless somebody witnesses, Misty or otherwise and/or evidence to the contrary ie: video, pictures, etc

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve hear that senario.
Someone gets mad and hits/assaults another
The assaulted party strikes back, even instinctually
The LE arrive to both parties showing signs of assault. If one presses charges, they BOTH go to jail becuase of course the other person is gonna press charges too. Without a witness to say who struck first the LE can’t know. If a witness claims to know and is willing to give a name AND is willing to testify when it goes to court, then the witness “sways” the vote. So whether a witness is honest or not can determine whether an innocent party is charged or not.
Say Cindy and Becky get into a fight. Becky’s Mom is present. Becky struck Cindy first and Cindy only struck back in self-defense. But…Becky’s Mom tells LE that Cindy struck first. Cindy is considered the aggressor due to the “witness” statement. Both may be arrested. One may press charges but if they do the other will too and BOTH will be charged with assault.

M2C

While I agree with what you’re saying mostly, I do have some views about the particulars as well. I do think now that BOTH Misty and the op were confused. Misty thought that they wouldn’t come without her name (not true) so she told them “never mind” and I think the operator was confused as to what Misty was saying. That she didn’t realize that Misty just didn’t want her name over scanner, if that’s the case. Also I’ve never ever heard of anyone personally involved in anemergancy who didn’t want to give their name.

“If I was being mugged and called 911, they should send an officer whether I give my name or not. No 911 dispatcher should say “well we can’t do anything unless we see him mugging you.” And when an officer showed up, I could still give my name and file a complaint even if the mugger had run away by then.”

They would send an officer even if you told them to never mind. They did still send an officer to find Misty per Misty’s request AND they sent officer(s) to look for CJ as well. The operator was not saying that they couldn’t do anything to him if Misty filed a complaint, they were saying that she couldn’t file on annonymously. Now should the op have stopped and clairified? Yes, probably.

m2c♥, oh dear, i can tell you really are upset! i really don’t see it all the way you do. for example, i do hear the exasperation on the 911 calls, however, i reacted to this as exasperation at the situation and how to best deal with it. also, i am ASSUMING, that the police were going to respond to misty’s call even though it was not stated on the 911 call we heard. just, w/o a complaint it would be handled very differently. if they did not even intend to look into the situation, i really believe that would be outrageous! what ever was going on was potentially endangering those involved and anyone else unfortunate enough to accidentally encounter all of them. if you believe that is what happened,(le - no intended response), then I hope you write that letter. so someone looks into it and hopefully makes sure all was handled appropriately. and i wish you would not let this all upset you personally so much. obviously you care about haleigh and are helping to find her. please have a better evening than your afternoon! (nod)

No, it’s probably my fault. I was relating it to what I had said prior about:

“Either M & R were not the original agressors OR they called to make a counter-complaint.”

Meaning the Cindy and Becky senario was an example of how a counter-complaint can keep one from being arrested AND how a witness, regardless of who’s side they are on and who the guilty party is, can have a direct impact on the outcome.

IN any 911 call that I have made or followed the operator stayed on the line until LE showed up - for whatever reason I think it is clear the operator did not care about that call or do the normal procedures. Think of every 911 you have ever heard, the operator immediately tells you an officer is in route and that they will stay with you until one arrives. Why are normal common procedures not done for Misty?? Why is that horrid behavior of the operator ok just because it is Misty??

At 1:05 op says “Stay on the line with me now”

They didn’t have time to dispatch an officer before Misty’s call ended or she would have told her that they were in route. She told CJ they were in route less than 1 minute later though. So they DID send officers, they just didn’t tell Misty that, per say.

CJ was told there was already an officer in route at 4:14 of his call. This is just 30-50 seconds after Misty has hung up. operator “We’re trying to get one to you as quick as we can.” Meaning they were already in route per Misty’s call. It had been 5 minutes and 5 seconds since Misty had connected with 911.

7:00 CJ “Where is an officer at?”

7:02 operator “We have them looking for you…we have multiples looking for you.”

So more than one officer WAS responding to BOTH calls.

oh gosh, when i go to write a comment others write so many others i am so behind. i hope i am not too out of context every time.

first we don’t know what the whole story. if that was r.c. car on c.j. call, it sounds to me he was at least participating with what ever was going on. i too hear things about c.j. (like asking about the shooting) on this call that concern me about what he was really doing. i am suspicious of everyone involved. this is not funny!

1. this may be wacky to wonder about. c.j. says r.c. called him a bi*ch. is that usual for y. men to call ea other b*tch when they are angry. i just was curious, because, i thought since r.c. and m.c. said it was c.j. girlfriend’s car, maybe when all the ta do started, they thought it was c.j.’s girlfriend in the car. i realize r.c. knew it was c.j. by the time the 911 was called. but, maybe originally they just saw the car and thought it was “hthr whoever” driving. how is this relevant - i am not sure. just maybe conformation that the “ta do” did start in the car. so did someone follow the other or did the encounter happen accidentally.

2. the turning around that c.j. did, i understand people ?? that. but, i know someone who evaded a traffic stop by police by doing that very thing at night. (i was shocked they would do that.) but, they sped up with the police chasing them, got enough ahead and u-turned and police drove right past them. kept going to find a side road. then wait till police drove back past the side road and went back on their merry way! is this something some young men do? so for what ever that part is worth. it is possible at that point he was thinking to avoid keep going away from the police at that time he could turn around.

3. i did think at the point c.j. was on the 911 call, he was pulling over for the cops to catch up and find him at that time.

i am not defending c.j. or r.c. or anyone. this is all too much, if kids were in the car. i wish they all would grow up! and find a way to fight there battles some other way.

OK I just went and googled and read a number of cases filed against 911 operators and many have been found guilty of willful neglect for not taking 911 calls seriously and offering all emergency service available regardless of what info the caller withholds. Many have even been found guilty of neglect for not following through on calls that they were told was a joke. The 911 operator is still obligated to stay on the line until an officer verifies it was a prank. So I can not see how Misty was treated within protocol at all.

I guess that I feel like the operator spent more time trying to guilt Misty into giving her name than finding out where they were or what was happening. And after finally asking where the other car is and learning it is behind Misty, she says “We can’t do anything unless we witness the reckless driving.”

What was Misty supposed to think? Nothing the operator said indicated that help was on the way. In fact what she said was basically we can’t help you. That’s what I got out of the call so I can’t blame Misty for hanging up.
She thought they weren’t going to help. It was not well handled by LE assuming they even intended to handle it well. After Misty said, “Nevermind,” the operator could have still said, “what’s happening?” “where are you now?” “I’ve sent a car to look for you.” She just said, “all right.”

Maybe Misty and the operator misunderstood each other but if one expects Misty to be mature (and this was a scary situation) then I think it’s reasonable to expect the operator to be professional and she was NOT.

I don’t see why Misty not giving her name on the 911 call would keep CJ from going to jail if she had filed a report later.

If I’m mugged and don’t give my name until the police arrive, I can still file a report and the guy can be jailed on the accusation (if there is some proof or a witness). I don’t think giving ones’ name on the call makes the difference.

m2c did you see my post at 6:48? From what I found on google it all agreed with the way you see it. The operator was negligent and could have legal been held liable if something bad would have happened. I think you are right the operator was wrong.

correction: could have legally been held liable

Hollys Gmom said,
in January 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm

There was an excepted gap just prior to him pulling over. He may have had LE tell him to wait there for them unless Ron kept perusing, then to take off again.

HGmom, this is quite an assumption that LE would tell him to pull over when he is claiming he is being chased by a gun slinging mad man. What in the 911 call gave you this impression??

m2c♥ said,
in January 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

How about I set up a “Donate thru PayPal” button and we can all contribute to “Remedial 911 Dispatcher Training” courses for PCSO?
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No doubt and maybe send the detectives to remedial detective school LOL

Vaquera, I would like to start by sending them all to “let’s be honest 101″!!!!!

I supposed that because there is a gap. I wondered what had been removed, if anything. I thought that perhaps he had told them, during the missing piece< that he didn’t see Ron or had thought he turned off one time, or had stopped giving chace (If he had been…I think he was but only after he thought LE wasn’t going to help-they’ve been such a big help so far, right? Then he was racing up behind CJ to get the tag, that’s my opinion of why Misty said “No, I’m hot up on him” (If that is what she said) because they were racing up close to see his tag. It was 10:00 at night, dark, long, rural county road with few lights. Makes sense, right? That’s when CJ called to counter-complain…save his butt for doing something to them first (if he did) and they were then harrassing him cause they/Ron was pizzed. Who wouldn’t be. Maybe he had a gun and only wanted to scare an attacker off by aiming it at them and maybe even a verbal threat. I might do that if someone ran me off the road (If I had a gun) or I thought they were out to physically hurt me or others. It’s not that bad if you look at it like that. I’ve been in vehicles with people who have done ignorant stuff like this. (I was much younger and not as carefull about who I got in a car/truck with, Have someone drive agressively at or near them and almost causeing a wreck, then the offended driver reacts with as much gusto to pay the guy back. It happens.

Yes, I agree with the offended driver reacting with as much gusto to pay the guy back. It happens. In my younger years I too, have been with people that did that & have also done some dumb shit like that myself. But I wasn’t running scared when I did that. I was pissed, hot-headed and ready to give it back.
I have also been in scary situations from being with dumb asses that were truly terribly dangerous and you felt like you were fleeing for your life but they aren’t the same.
When I was pissed and reacting with “gusto” I did dumb shit like pull over, threaten to get out, stop and wait for another idiot to find us etc. When I was scared, like if someone pulled a gun, I would NOT have stopped, nor have u turned in the road. I would have fled and fled fast. Do you see what I am saying?
Either CJ was a scared fleeing victim or he was a hot headed, trouble making agressor waiting around for trouble, as I see it. I don’t see how you can make him out to be a victim but that’s ok we can agree to disagree.

m2c♥, i do appreciate you really are upset and i understand why. people using their cars as a threat or like a weapon on the hway, le better check it out. i guess i heard surprise on the part of the 911 op, and she thought misty wanted to end the call, so ended the call. the 911 op should have pursued keeping contact further.

if they didn’t respond, i hope they get called on it. and are forced to handle future calls appropriately.

i hope i did not sound like a smart a** to you. i did not mean to! sincerely ms.p.

Treece:

That’s what I was trying to say in my previous post. That after all of this discussion and looking at the maps and listening, transcribing, and figuring out the timeline; I have come to believe that something happened wherein CJ did something towards R & M. Then they took it as him trying to run them off of the road ( maybe he did it intentiaonally, maybe unintentionally) then they called, while they were calling they were racing up on him to see his tag. At almost that exact same time CJ connects with PCSO saying someone is harrassing him. They continue down the road behind CJ till 911 call ends. The Ron figures he’ll just handle it himself. He retaliates by attempting to run CJ off of the road. I don’t think him a victim so much as just wondering why Ron would continue to follow him onto 308B? Were they traveling to that area already? Maybe it was because he had to follow to get to where he was going. I just thought of that. I had been wondering and it might clear that up.

And you’re right, I did not think that the person in that car had a gun…I it was a female who had issues with me over a guy.

Yes, younger days….

kool look, you made me laugh. I too almost blew a gasket over that but for different reasons. Looks like you almost blew out because they blamed Misty and she was the passenger and I agree that was wrong. But I almost blew out over that TM hiring DB to “play like” a mom. After all Misty has been through, and almost all if not all “adults” in her life already betraying her to pretend to nurture and care as a mother was more than I could stomach. She has probably never had a parent that just loved and supported and nurtured her. So sad to pretend. Those 2, TM and DB will forever disgust me for that stupid stunt. OK I will get off my soap box, see what you stirred up! ha ha just kidding you.

Treece
I can totally see what you’re saying. As a person who’s mother was not in her life (also might apply to someone who doesn’t havea good relationship with her mother)I sorely missed that kind of nurturing love & attention. I can see how that would be a crushing blow to find out that someone I had felt that way about (mother figure) was being false and just trying to trick me. I guess TM thought it had worked great for Padilla in the Casey situation so he wanted to try it.

treece another annoying thing I read. When posters are putting judgement and blame upon Ron and Misty for, get this, “Living”. “Being together”, “having lives”. How dare them? Statements like, “With all the things Misty’s done in the past, blah blah blah. For petes sake, give me a break. No matter what ron and misty are doing, their in the wrong. It’s just gotten sickingly ridiculous to take these young peoples lives and judge them on every breath they take, every step they stride, every action. Everything is not related to Haleigh.

If Misty and Ron are innocent, I hope they make those who had no problem putting their harsh, cruel evil judgement upon them answer in a court of law with proof to their allegations and printed comments. Put up, or pony up, either way they should be held into account if these young people haven’t harmed Haleigh.

hgmom, I am sure you can relate to Misty’s lack of nurture and know how painful that loss can be. You may be right TM may have had a good intention but lying, deceiving, and manipulating from a mother role it more than I can stomach. If he would have tried that through a peer it wouldn’t have been as cold blooded. Having a “mother” wine and dine her as a caring parent is just more than I can justify. jmo

Hugs treece, I’m good with all you guys. I wish Misty would have stayed in TN too. But she hasn’t, and LE and the community should be responsible and do their parts if she’s being put in danger. And she has been assaulted, attacked, threatened, followed, blamed over and over. It’s like Misty is Satsuma’s whipping girl. I’m sick of it.

LE put up or shut up, it’s time to quit playing russian roulette with a young girls life. If she’s innocent, your words and actions could cause a freak to assume and committ their own justice.

Why isn’t her dang lawyer doing more to protect her? That’s what I want to know. If that was my daughter, LE would be shakin in their booties if they had exposed publically my daughter with such incompetant public humiliation and blame for a case they can’t seem to put together on the back of a young girl who has no one to advocate her voice standing with her making it strong.

Hollys GMom-
I am unclear about the timing of this. Was Misty’s call first? And CJ’s after?

Which would mean there was a lot more road rage going on - according to CJ. So yes Misty and Ron would be in fear unless CJ was lying and was nowhere near them at that time.

I don’t understand this part of what you wrote? “Now IF they were still in fear for their safety, I don’t think she should have refused, no matter the circumstances.” Which “she” do you mean “refused” what?

m2c, maybe that 911 operator is Donna Brock, and that’s why she didn’t care. Just kidding.

m2c♥ said,in January 2nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm Hollys GMom-
I am unclear about the timing of this. Was Misty’s call first? And CJ’s after?

It does appear that way. By approx 30-50 seconds Maybe 1:15 at the most by where they both claim to be passing: Old Shell Harbour.

“Which would mean there was a lot more road rage going on - according to CJ. So yes Misty and Ron would be in fear unless CJ was lying and was nowhere near them at that time. ”

Well, no cause they were behind him then.. They had to be or hey couldn’t see his tag. In FL we only tag the rear of our cars. If they were behind him, why would they be in fear? They could have turned around themselves and headed in the other direction to allude him. If he’s in front he might not notice right away and they could be gone by the time he did. Misty says they are behind him. She never says he’s attacking again, just that he ran the off the road once. CJ was the only one claiming repeated attacks (not saying it’s true, just what we have to go by). So if he wasn’t still tryingto run them off he road why would they be afraid for their lives? They never said he had a gun, meaning he would be more threatening.

“I don’t understand this part of what you wrote? “Now IF they were still in fear for their safety, I don’t think she should have refused, no matter the circumstances.” Which “she” do you mean “refused” what?”

To give her name. I don’t care who it is..if they are in fear for their safety or others safety I think it is irresponsible to refuse to do so. She should have known that the sh*t was gonna hit the fan anyway, since CJ had opportunity to call also, whether to tell the truth or a lie. If she had only agreed and gave her name they might have been able to arrest him right away. She had to know that it would blow up anyway. Maybe she didn’t think CJ would call since he was the “aggressor”.

Hiya,

There was an incident with guy on the freeway some years back… pointing and picking out people and then ramming their car with his. I was one of those that was a target. I called 911 and followed the bastard. Then I lost him, on the streets about 7 minutes later. Anyway by then HWY, local PD, Sheriff located me and others to identify him, they found him at home. His reasons for the attacks,… He was having a bad day!!! Now, maybe it turned out this way, because the OP stayed on the phone with me, others followed too and called it in, we all reported the license plate#, etc. And yes… my son was indeed with me, I hadn’t dropped him off at daycare yet, he was sitting in his car seat in the back, it was that side of the car, that was hit by the JERK!!!
My point is we all react differently and according to OUR emotions in these situations. Well, my reaction was pure RAGE, I tried to get at his ASS, when we were face to face.

On this one… Misty was FAILED…IMO!!

ms p, even if Misty or ROn said to end it the reason was they thought she wouldn’t help them if they didn’t tell Misty’s name. Regardless of what Misty did right or wrong the 911 Operator is suppose to stay with them until LE arrives, she is too offer them support however she can and keep them on the line until LE finds them. If I understood what I read from the protocols of what is required of 911 operators.

I agree cent about the “want to get em” aspect. I think I too would feel that way, maybe even have in the past.

It seems the only thing that would have made this episode with CJ turn out better would have been for Misty to just have given her name. You gave yours in your account, I’m sure. I know, Misty’s has resons not to want to, but the situation warrented it, or why even place the call. She should have said “I just saw someone run a truck off the road on hwy 309. No I don’t want to give my name.” Then it may have worked out better. I agree that the op should have continued the call anyway. They already knew who it was, I’m pretty sure. It seems like at least a minute into the call that she did have an idea. I could be wrong though. Maybe if the op had just went on to another question and came back to her name later, she would have given it. It’s hard to say, second-guessing and all. The last 10-20 seconds of the call are not what anyone would expect.

Yes, I think the op should have encouraged her stay on the line… I personally did not hear the OP doing that in anyway! To be honest the OP had a bug up her butt.

treece said,in January 2nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm kool look, I feel terrible for Teresa N and GGM Sykes too. They are not only missing and worrying about Haleigh but you know it breaks their hearts to see Ron hurt and be treated like he has been. I sincerely don’t know how they hold up, just the grace of God that they do.
Dear treece, I almost teared up reading this post. I so agree. If Ron is innocent, what’s been done to him is the un-thinkable. No family should have to bear such. In our society, rich educated people would never have been treated this way by LE, the public, and certainly their very own lawyers would be all over the media news giving pressors complaining and explaing how wrong it is. I just can’t understand why their legal counsel hasn’t stepped up to the plate. They clients are being wrongfully accussed, crucified and hung without the actual rope around their necks. Slow death, unbelievable this day and time we treat innocent people in such a savagage way, and LE leads the way. Yuck

Kool Look, thanks for the reply it was really touching. I can tell you have a tender heart for them. I will make a deal with you. I will pray for them every day and hope you will join me.

Kool Lok & Treece

I too feel badly for TN & GGMA. Ron too. I was listeing to the original 911 call today and while some of the things he is saying to Misty sound abusive, I can imagine an upset father saying

“How could you let my child get stolen B!”
“the door’s not even locked…locked is sideways!” He sounded so taken aback and then justifiably angry. Later in the call he is yelling at Misty in the background for almost a full minute. Berating her for what has happened. This doesn’t sound fake at all. I can’t quite make out exactly what he says to her but I have asked someone with better audio program skills to help me with it. Ron sounds totally believeable in that call.

when someone calls for help, 911 help, it’s not the job of the operator to make a decision of action over the phone, that’s the job of the responding officers on the scene.

There’s no way in this 911 operators training has she been instructed to do as she did on that call, no where. Totally unacceptable. I would bet my left boot she knew it was Misty.

Also, something that’s really really bothering me. I don’t blame Misty for not giving her name. The scanner thing has become big, being reported on forums, news media, talked about on radio, emails, pm’s letters and postings. We know the family is in touch with reality on what the “Jest” of the internet public is saying. They know their entire lives, scanner live feeds are being monitored 24/7 by people listening in on everything going on in that county. Not putting down the scanners, though I don’t do it personally, I know locals that have done it for years. Many a people have done this in their lifetimes. Monitoring police scanners. No harm in that. And actually good points to following a case for the sleuthers in finding out information that doesn’t get reported in the news.

But we have to be honest with ourselves. These people players know others across the world are listening in on their personal lives, how can we just blow it off and blame Misty for wanting to keep her privacy? To stop yet another verbal assault by those who campaign with it since the beginning of this case. It’s no secret Putnam County is being scanned. I can’t blame Misty, geezzzz. I also don’t blame or fault the scanners. I’m just being realistic here, and there is going to be drawbacks when others know their being watched all the time.

I pray earnestly that no one, any of these players of Haleigh’s case, decides not to call 911 or LE if they are in any kind of danger due to being listened to and reported all across the net minute by minute. I can’t help but see some potential future decisions on behalf of someone who may not do something, make a choice against what they normally would react and do, because of knowing it will be heard. Or am I the only one seeing this potential future result occurring?

I know of people who wouldn’t call 911 over a domestic situation because they were worried about what the neighbors would think. We know this happens. So it isn’t so far fetched to believe someone may not react to a given situation due to this same type of thinking in the days to come in fear of whatever, due to the publics knowledge.

Just wondering… has anyone credible tried to interview Ron or Misty… lately? Not about the crazy junk… but like a 11 months later take on the case. I’m talking about a “real” sit at home and talk kinda thing.

Kool @9:42

I totally agree with you. I think with dealing with LE there comes an amount of feeling sorta “ashamed” for some folks. Yes, I can see potentiality for more danger.

ms p, good find and that makes sense!!!

Ron sounds exactly like he should on the original 911 call. No he shouldn’t have cussed Misty, I would like to give him a boot for that one. But I have to excuse him that once, and only that once as the emergency and fearful emotions would jump off any rightful emotional scale. I could only imagine the first thing my hubby possibly would say to me if he and I were in the same positions in comparison. To be honest, there probably would be a knock out drag out fight that would ensure where we both probably would have beat each other close to death before we could get our emotions in check and come together and hunt for our child. It would be too much for us to bear.

I really think if Ron had anything to do with this, he would have broken down by now and confessed, he would want things to be right for Haleigh by now. A graceful resting place for his beloved Mother and grandmother to mourn properly if he knew Haleigh wasn’t ever going to be found and coming home. Hard headed, hot tempered at times Ron seems, he appears to care for his children and the women in his family. I think he would have broke by now.

treece, the Lord has already given me peace concerning Haleigh. That one day we will have answers. When those answers come, we will then understand better as to why it was the right timing according to his “Will”. We stand United, hand holding hands.

I think we’re getting some answers, slowly, secretively, forced, etc…. notice the quietness on behalf of some in this case, those that have slithered out as they slithered in. There are those who harmed the investigation into Haleighs disappearance. They are some covering up. At times, I think LE has a good idea in knowing what has happened to Haleigh, I just don’t know why they haven’t done something about it.

Ron ought to let me do the interview. I wouldn’t be interested in the ratings, but the truth and the “real story” concerning their lives today. You know, that’s really something thats been the lack of this whole case, a real decent sit down interview with someone who can set aside their feelings, desires for ratings and money, and talk with these people.

Kool,

I too would Loovveee to sit and chat with Ronnie. That’s exactly how I would do it.

It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a sit down honest relaxed interview done by a person who can keep their opinions in check and let the interviewee answer the questions posed, and allowed to respond without judgement upon them. Sensationalism has it’s place, but not in a missing persons case. That’s where some of my anger comes from, the inappropriateness grown professional adults crossing the lines of decency and respect for human life.

Grab a glass of tea, sit down and talk, about the important issues at hand.

Tapped,

Your handle on this is pretty DAMN good!!!

If the media didn’t beat him up every time he’s made an appearance the bloggers have. He can’t even go outside, play with his son or kiss Misty on his own porch without an ass load of crap thrown at him. Just talking about it gets me pissed. You talk about an angry mom. If he were my son I would probably be in jail, for hurting some dumbass media person or big mouth blogger.

well tapped out, since Misty was sooooo wanting to expose being with Ron, surely she would have given her name when the operator said, “Hello, what is your emergency?” So nope, can’t agree with you on that aspect.

Yep, there were all kinds of ways to handle the “personal belongings” left at her exhusbands home. Well Misty doesn’t have a car of her own. Guess she could have taken a bus. Bummed a ride from family or friends. Heck, hitchhiked over there I reckon. Better yet, called LE to escort her to the premises and start another public debacle to ward off potential violence, and of course that would get Ron and family back good for divorcing her. Maybe she should have gotten NayNay, WBG and better yet, ole Charlie to take her. Yep, that’s what I would have done.

Seriously, I see nothing wrong with Ron picking Misty up and taking her to get her clothes. Their divorce was non contested, probably forced due to public pressure and ridicule, plus the stress of Haleigh missing, many couples that have faced same circumstances bust up too, it’s not just this couple. I’m just really sick and tired of everything these two young adults do, older meddlesome smarty pants people would have done it better and differently, of course. Ron and Misty are being harrassed, it’s obvious.

Comparing Misty’s 911 calls by LE to gage her emotional responses and voice analysis’, if LE does believe they have hit a home run, they better have the pcso on the Jury panel and not normal honest citizens, I would completely rebuke any such test comparisons as being disgustingly weak at best. The games need to stop.

Thank you tapped out for your comments, hope you stay and participate with all of us, the more the merrier. Handshake

kool look 10:41 ditto!!!!!!!!!!

This is the same cr*p celebraties have put up with for decades. It cost Princess Diana her life, yet it still continues. Prying eyes. People’s curiosity, morbid or otherwise. The Tiger Woods incident. Is it really anybody’s business, other than his wife’s, that he had an affair? Why should it cost him endorsements and wreak havok with is life? It shouldn’t but it does. The same goes here. People, rightly or worngly, feel that since a defenseless child is missing, and R & M are adults (at least they both were in a postion of responsibility as being an adult) so the child’s interest comes first. I sometimes fall into that category. I did try to avert the “explosive” conversation the other day by telling Tobias I would try to find the right person to talk to, if he/she wanted to know.Before I could even look for the person to tell T to PM or email them, and the law posted. I just shouldn’t have asked any questions. I can not abide by the KP “goon squad”. I’ve been a victim from them in the past and it may have a lot to do with why I have a hard time with feeling “attacked” at times. It was a really awful experience and I guess it has made me look for it everywhere. Sorry if I’ve judged you and m2c unfairly. I do seem to have a little “paranoia” about it. :blush: I’m working on it though.

Cent 10:33 you might be right it might be worth it for Ron to get to say what he wants to without being edited, cut off, and interrupted.

i am looking through previous posts. i believe the police cannot just stop someone without a reason. i thought that is our (civil?) rights. maybe i got that wrong. they have to observe something wrong. although where i live they recently started to do road blocks to check for proof of insurance and seatbelts. so maybe i thought we have rights we do not have.

kool look, the more you talk the more I like how you think. Well, do you live close enough to Ron to maybe ever get to talk to him?
Art Harris shouldn’t be able to look himself in the mirror. When I found out he was on Kim P’s payroll that was too much for me. Disgusting, trying to please a damn lawyer instead of find a missing child. Can’t get much lower than that. He’s right up there with Mama Donna in my books.

Since I don’t know any of them, I can’t rightfully say that I don’t like them. I just hate the circumstances of this. I have never believed that R+M caused harm to HaLeigh, I’ve thought that perhaps an action of theirs may have came into play. Now, I am really considering the idea that someone may have it in for Misty. Perhaps that fellow from the past has a long reach.
**All I’m saying on that topic**

HAAA HAAA, my comment @ 11:01, looks like I am insane;-D

treece your 10:56 post,

I’m no Floridian, but two states up, four to six hour drive depending. I’m a Carolinian. Southern Swamp Country Christian Jesus loving Woman. My Daddy since I was old enough to remember, always told me I should be a lawyer, cuz I never shut up. I’m a seeker of truth, with the gift of discernment, as many others are. My eyes were opened many years ago, I’m ever so humble and grateful for that.

I can strike up a conversation with a brick, lol Ron needs an interview, an interviewer that can not only pull out of him his potential, the truth, but the story, the real story of his life, Haleighs, his future and cause him to express himself with all the bottled up emotions that are scarring him to this day. Though journalists are highly educated and trained, books can’t always teach the human element of how to get someone to open up and not shut them down. Over and over I’ve seen Ron on the verge of a good interview, only for a commercial break, editing, the interviewer taking mis-steps at crucial times in the conversation when I could see Ron ready to express something important.

“Through the lips the abundance of the heart flows”, I’ve studied that scripture in depth, meditated on it for years and sought wisdom and understanding of it’s meaning. I would like to talk with several of the family members, not just Ron. Oh well, I can dream, but I wouldn’t even have this desire if I didn’t believe that it would be a great benefit to Haleigh, the hunt for Haleigh and her loving family. I wouldn’t dare tread there if something good didn’t happen.

SOunds good Kool Look! Couldn’t hurt to ask.

LOL!!! I think I need an intervention! LOL I just can’t stop! Argg!

Cent, yes and you go with her. Yall would make a good team to give Ron a fair interview!!!

kool, sounds like you might could even get some info from a brick!!!

Hollys, thanks for explaing, I missed that thread, sorry I did, would love to have read it. I truly understand your feelings on the bloggers, and the hired help on the parts of those who took their positions into positions of authority on this case and morally/criminally crossed the lines. Shame on them. Shame on what’s been done on the internet by supposed advocates for children. If their advocates, I want to have my mouth duck taped, cuz I don’t ever want to be one.

I’m so sorry you were mis-treated. As you know, there are many others mis-treated also in that “hot mess” of plots and schemes. Now we even see a bigger picture of conspiracies played out on the parts of others. The “others” claiming to care about Haleigh, ugh!! Don’t want to be around some when their gardens harvest “reaps”.

I’ve seen several internet forums and sites used to pull these plots out on not only R and M, and the entire cummings family, but honest internet citizens who only cared to follow the case hoping for a good ending. What popular site are you talking about? I never saw any posts by you other than here, if you’re not comfortable in saying, please pm me on the forum, I’ll run go take a looksies. I’m nosy, forgive me, but I care too.

cent, you are hilarious, keep the insane posts comin. the comic relief is welcome anytime. LOL Adding: your last comment in your post at 11:01, it has crossed my mind more than once and you may very well be right and onto something dear Friend. If not an old paybacker, a real time snake. I agree and glad to know I’m not the only one having these thoughts.

treece, agree with your payroll comments, disgusting on behalf of those who hid this fact. I have no problem with hiring someone to make another look ok and presentable to the public and to put that person best foot forward. We all want others to see us in a good light. But what dang right did they have to crucify slander and ridicule to a guilty slaughter the Father of a missing child who is “supposedly and accordingly cleared alibi” by LE? They had no right to try and change custody the good ole illegal/immoral “back door” way when a Father is at the worse of his life involving his children. Despicable doesn’t cut it.

I guess that Amber could have “snatched” Haleigh and given her over to Crystal later….I hope so, that would mean Haleigh is still alive somewhere.

SO what do you guys think about the Amber Brooks theory? Any weight to it?

cent, treece and Hollys, the difference in us, or cent and I doing an interview versus the others, and the quickie in your face intrusive jump ons in public, and pics being taken without consent or knowledge, etc… is that we care. We really care about the truth, Haleigh, and keeping her family protected from nonsense and pain to the best of our abilities. We don’t have ratings to worry about. Unless you consider us wanting to share the interview that was acceptable to do with their permission, and the knowledge of LE.

Oh well, we know that’s not gonna happen, but maybe our desires will cause Heavenly responses and this will happen.

Kool,
I think Crystal has not been scrutinized the way the others have… and she should be!!! If it was me I would demand it from LE, so they could get on with the case.

HollyG, I don’t see Amber having much of a role in this.. other than their party week-end. It seems that she has went on with her life after Ron.

hgmom, I hope and pray Haleigh is still alive some place and can be found and returned to her dad and grandma’s. I hope they can heal up and have a decent life.

Is amber brooks the one that supposedly has Ron’s kid or is that nay nay or are they the same person? I can’t remember, think I am too tired.

Amber son Jordan is by Ron (supposedly).. I don’t know the family connection to Crystal.

I’m not sure that they are realted. I think that Amber approached Crystal with the idea. That she told her she would get custody of Jr and then when Haleigh “returned” she of course would keep her too. She said she would make sure that Misty looked so bad, Ron too, that there would be no way Ron would keep custody. Then she sent Nay-Nay to put Misty in the right places. Maybe even help keep her awake so she’d be tired that night. Then Viola! She sweeps in, gets Haleigh to go with her in secret, spirits her away to later met with Crystal or representative of Crystals, who then hide the child for Crystal, thinking it will all be over soon. Ron throws Crystal a “monkey wrench” by marring Misty but it doesn’t help him/them. Now that Crystal isn’t gonna get custody, Haleigh will remain in hiding. I hope this is the theory that really happened!

Oh yea! But Amber didn;t stay long did she? I might be wrong. Wasn’t that at least a week after Haleigh was abducted? She would have had plenty of time to “pass her off ” to someone else.

No… I haven’t heard about her whereabouts.. but if ambers mom assaulted misty.. was she arrested and where is her mug shot?

Hi Kool & handshake back to you, thanks. Have to agree to disagree. There isn’t a legitimate excuse on this planet for Ron & Misty to be together, muchless Ron driving Miss Daisy. Regardless of who did what to Haleigh, Misty is the key p.o.i. at this time, she has proven herself untrustworthy, a liar, a drug abuser, uneducated and blatantly has no respect for authority not to mention law enforcement. I don’t say these things to be mean, those are cold hard facts.

Alas it does not matter that Ron & Misty were together on this particular day as it is my firm belief they never truly parted. On paper, it appears they are finished. In reality, not so much.

Hollys you haven’t been irritating at all. I enjoy your well thought out posts. I jumped to go read the forum, caught Native Aliens thread about the sunshine laws requests and it stopped on thread 4 with no further updates. Does anyone have any current news, has native been posting on the blog here?

One thing that caught my eye interestingly, it’s awfully coincidental, we have this road incident with R and M, the reasons why PCSO wouldn’t release any info to native alien in their request and inquiries into Haleigh’s case that their handling. Their reasoning along with accusing Native of threatening them to FDLE is the “timing”. The “timing” of this new incident, which I can accept as just coincidental, but not the news release by Greenwood stating “We now have new information in this case that may help us solve it”. Now isn’t that convenient.

Native receives their denial letter to not abide in the sunshine laws for the state of Florida, but in that denial comes another problem for the pcso. That is they then fall under new guidelines and rules, and are accelerated up to a new level of authority and rules. Thus, they had to either disclose the case information to native, the person requesting said information, or make an arrest, imminenet arrest or show cause as to movement forward towards a near future arrest.

With Greenwoods statement, in now covers all their timely bases just beautifully, doesn’t it? Does anyone see hinky written all over this latest move on behalf of pcso? I do. I think this is getting deep folks. Because now according to Native, the Attorney generals office can now get involved once the request of information has been denied by the pcso to the inquiring hopeful recepient named Native, a member here who has shared the documentation and posts keeping us updated in the forum Jan has created here. Go join and read native thread. Interesting and brings to light some interesting facts, procedures and possible clues inside the case and where it’s headed, or not headed so to speak.

Yes Folks, very well could be some hush hushing going on inside this investigation by those in authority, sure is looking that way. Any thoughts people?

For those going off to bed, good night, God Bless you, sweet colorful dreams dancing in the clouds with your loved ones in Peace.

I respect your opinion & thoughts, thanks. My opinion remains solid regarding Misty & Ron. That isn’t love…. that isn’t even close to love. What you are seeing is an addiction to dysfunction on both Misty & Ron end. Love doesn’t take off for a weekend & party it up with whoever is handy, drugs, booze & sex binges. Love doesn’t illegally date & live with another person. Love doesn’t lie, cheat or steal. Love shouldn’t bring trouble & the law time and time again. Love gets a job, an education & works hard, evolving as human beings.

Misty may or may not know what happened the night Haleigh went missing. But make no mistake, Misty is a very skilled & manipulative person. After listening to this latest 911 call she placed, I firmly believe the girl is a master at her game. First call to 911 when Haleigh went missing, she portrayed herself as dazed & baffled. Call #2 she portrayed herself as the wounded victim and what a performance that was. This latest call portrays her as a determined individual, which is terrifying, because Misty is gaining strength, not weakness. She has guys fighting over her, still not employed, she is loving life right now. She loves the media & now the spotlight is back on her, just the way she likes it. Too bad it can’t seem to be on Haleigh instead.

I just listened to the two different audio’s there is a distinct difference between how the dispatcher acts with Misty and how she acts with this Charles Jones person. She allows the complaint to be disconnected even though there are children involved she basically brow beat Misty for a name, WHAT DOES SHE CARE IF MISTY’S NAME IS HUMPTY DUMPTY THERE IS A MAN DRIVING LOONY AND KIDS ARE INVOLVED.!!!!! OMG this family needs to get this case out of Putnam ASAP before someone is attacked and the person who did this to Haleigh walks because this department is so hell bent on selective Policing and getting Misty they all but tossed Haleigh out.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families

Off Topic: re Sarah Haley Foxwell

http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20100103/OPINION01/1030342/-1/newsfront2/A-life-cut-short-a-fitting-tribute delmarvanow (The Daily Times)
Maryland 1-3-2010

“A life cut short, a fitting tribute”
‘Sarah’s Law’ should focus on protecting innocent children

The theory about Crystal and Amber teaming up made me remember the old movie called “The First Wives Club,” starring Diane Keaton, Goldie Hawn, and Bette Midler who team up to get revenge on their husbands who left them for younger women! (Of course they weren’t all married or baby-mamas for the same guy but still. . .) Interesting theory!

Tapped Out @ 4:15 am
I hope we can agree to disagree. You said, “Misty is a very skilled & manipulative person. After listening to this latest 911 call she placed, I firmly believe the girl is a master at her game. First call to 911 when Haleigh went missing, she portrayed herself as dazed & baffled. Call #2 she portrayed herself as the wounded victim and what a performance that was. This latest call portrays her as a determined individual, which is terrifying, because Misty is gaining strength, not weakness.”
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Misty may be manipulative. I don’t know. She’s had to get by on her own since she was 13 when her parents, school, LE etc all lost interest in her.

But I can’t agree that any of her 911 calls prove what you say.

The 911 call when she was robbed showed exactly the kind of emotion that I’d feel if I’d just been pushed around and my purse stolen. That call was as real as it gets to me.

And the last one - to me - shows her to be anything but determined. The call was mere seconds long, the operator refused to send help and Misty gave up. If she’d been “determined” she might have argued or begged or at least continued the call somehow but she gave up.

Good Morning All,

Another sleepless night for me… think I will head to Jack N the box… luv their chocolate cake.

Good morning, Cent, enjoy your choc cake!!!

m2c, I agree, when we hear repeat sex offender, they are almost always out on parole. If they would have had to serve their entire sentence this “repeat” could not have happened. I think any abuse with a child, that is not just statutory rape, should always be life without parole, period.

I’m also tired of hearing that we don’t “Know” they will re-offend. Yes we do. Most of them do.
And totally separate from that, appropriate sentences (meaning IMO LONG) are not given in the first place for harming a child. The punishment for that should be extremely severe. Otherwise as a society how can we claim to care about our children?

Treece, I agree to disagree with you on Misty.
You are letting your kind compassion cloud your judgement and the facts in this case. Yes we should all be compassionate but not at the cost of finding the truth about what happened to Haleigh. I wouldnt care if she were a Nun she is still the last person to see Haleigh and her story does not add up and on top of that PCSO feels she is the key in the investigation and they are trained in this kind of crime. There have also been a rash of teens gone wild and are killing at a very young age, watch the news its just horrible.jmo

Tobias, another thing we agree on is the crime and heartlessness of some teens is alarming. I agree with that. For all those teens that are guilty I believe they should never be set free again. I too, agree with you that there is an epidemic of a lack of empathy and morals in our country.
Where we so disagree is that there are any “facts” that this is Misty’s fault. That is not facts, that is debatable speculations that neither of us can prove one way or the other.
So you are right we can agree to disagree and I respect your opinion.

I just wonder what this new evidence is and why they cant use it to arrest someone.jmo

Tobias, to me what you claim is not true, failed 3 LDT, PCSO evidence ???. To me there is so much assumption and speculation called fact this it has created so much bias that there is no fair judgment here. To answer your question, yes, if she was older, had a good family, job and education and she was still being so picked on, then yes, I would still have compassion for her. I think it is fair to question if she knows something but I think it is unfair to blame her. Cobra even said she was just a scape goat. Think of your own kids, with no proof would you tolerate someone treating them the way Misty has been treated? I for one would probably be in jail, someplace I have never been in 50 years. I don’t think I could stand the injustice on my child. You say you are biased for Teresa N, do you not think it breaks her heart how the world, the media & us bloggers treat Ron? Not trying to make you mad just discussing different views.

I am almost positive that Rons lawyers are really angry that their client can not behave himself and listen to their advice. Stay away from Misty. These poor lawyers cant do their jobs and help these people and for free non the less. jmo

Treece, Why would Ron go against all advice, lawyers, probably his mothers and grandmothers, and be with Misty? And why lie that she is getting her things that have been there since October? Why would CJ care if they were together? There is more going on here than a simple road rage incident . Something happened that led up to what we are hearing.How would he know Ron was going to be picking Misty up and be on that road?imho

m2c:

“The call was mere seconds long, the operator refused to send help”

The call was 126 seconds long, that’s not exactly “a few”. The operator did not refuse to help them. She told Misty that she didn’t have to give her name and then RON & MISTY decided they no longer needed help IF they had to give their names. Please post the audio clip of the operator refusing them help. After they said Never MInd she even asked her if she was sure. The most she did was allow the call to end with Misty being unclear as to what she had told her. IMO

Why would you call 911 in the first place if you arent going to press charges? If the police had shown up there would have been a report with their names on it. They just wanted to remain annonomous in the whole incident and get CJ arrested is what it sounds like to me. jmo

ms.p, I wish Pinkey and her a wonderful new year, too.

Oh I’m sure the answer will be that he was in the middle of the road at first but Ron went around him and then he came up behind them flashing his lights…..Yea….that must be it…(not)

I have a question that may sound odd but if PCSO is investigating this why wouldnt they have someone following these people around?
I guess maybe I watch too many TV shows with stakeouts? jmo

Probably a little late for me to jump in now, but my thought about the 911 call is that Misty didn’t want to give her name to the operator because it seems half the people in that town have police scanners. She probably didn’t want to give her name at that time. I’m sure she counted on an officer arriving on scene. She knew she’d have to give her name then.
I agree with all who think the 911 operator failed in her job. She should have stayed on the line with her no matter what.
I remember back sadly to a time when I had to call 911 and did not even have time to give information. Police still arrived. I realize they were on cell phones, but Misty was giving all the information they needed. There is a serious flaw in their 911 system.

Tobias @ 3:30. Maybe PCSO does have someone following people around. We don’t know what they’re doing. But if no one is being followed I can understand. It’s a small town. A tail could stand out like a sore thumb.

stormgardner, you are right.
m2c, u 2

HGm @ 5:52
If what you are suggesting is true “they are tired of the little girl’s games, and they were upset that she was claiming a very serious charge and situation but didn’t want to give her name.”

Then PCSO is in serious dereliction of duty.
It was clear from the start that this was an emergency involving two children and the other car was still behind them. Obviously the dispatcher didn’t give a hoot about that. If she did she should have said, “But I’m sending a car out…” or something. If anything had happened to R, M or the children it would be on PCSO as far as I’m concerned.

OMG Hollysgmom!! These tapes SCREAM BS….sorry, but I think you know what I mean!!

CJ’s Voice is WAY too casual to be or have been driving 90mph!!! COME ON PSCO you idiots!!!!!!! You are totally SCREWED!!!!! I will make it my mission!

OR sitting in a cruiser!!

Exactly, Treece!! I am telling you, I am sooooo mad right now! Hollysmom, knows my story, she can vouche for me. These G**D*** cops are on my radar…I will watch for a FEW more days, and if they do get off their LAZY GD, Ass and DO something, I will scream out, what they are all about!!!! You reading this?? You lazy, corrupt IDIOTS???? YOU SUCK!! If you find Haleigh, I will take that back, until then….. you will continue to SUCK!!!

kool look…no.. I don’t know anyone personally in the case, sorry if it looked/implied like I do. Yes, I did live in FL, not too far from where this happened. And YES, my family was involved with some SOB’s from LE (different county though), that were/are corrupt…Mind you, my anger is a result from the crazy way the LE handled my families case and the cover-ups, the lies, the flat out corruptness!! Just because they have a badge, does not mean they cannot be a criminal, of the worse kind!!!
My anger is not helping to find Haleigh…I just want justice for her, as we all do.
I sent Hollysgmom a PM, she knows my issues with LE.

Blue Moon, I certainly understand, and yes LE can be of the worse elements. Sorry for the problems you have had with your family. Hopefully, things have worked out. I’m angry with LE in this case also. Just compare the Somer Thompson case the next county over, and there’s a world of difference.

I’m not buying what LE is selling any longer. I don’t appreciate the way Misty was treated on this emergency call by the operator. Nor do I appreciate those that inserted themselves and did lots of damage to the mindset of this case, swayed opinions, and didn’t make Haleigh the priority, but their own vendettas and agendas. Makes me sick with disgust. I wish Ron and family would start hiring some aggressive attornies, civil rights groups, victims advocates, and private investigators and go after this case with full force. Bring in the media and start exposing this for what it is.

Hi cent, thank you, been wanting you to tell me about that 3rd grader that got shoved.

Treece,

I’m spilling it all very soon!! You know where to read it at!

cent c e mail

Jan will come in and clean this mess up, sad. Words are double edged swords. Hi cent and treece. Misty was on Levi’s show this evening playing the voicemail calls from the Jones’. Exclusive.

cent I missed Misty live on the show playing the calls, but we should get some recaps soon. Levi says thirty minutes after the show you can relisten to the recording to hear the entire show. Misty was on first, I missed the first part of show. Others have already been commenting that heard them, and listened to Misty, and said the phone calls are very bad, full of foul language and threats.

Misty did confirm the Jone’s hasn’t contacted her since that road incident. She did confirmed on the show that she lived with Charles Jones for a short time after leaving Ron. Her lawyer didn’t allow some questions to be asked by LEvi up front, so he had to back off according to him, Simon should be updating us here too about both shows today.

The calls will be interesting. Cool for LEvi to have the exclusive Misty on air, eh?

My thoughts/questions… on the harassing calls

Where is Misty’s home/living with whom?
Ronnie charged with what?
Why is Misty always the one that has to file charges… cause it’s her phone!?! The main threats were against Ron.

I think that there was something more going on with Misty/CJ. He sounds like a jilted lover.

Comment has been deleted because of personal name calling of other bloggers and for having multiple comments left using alias names and email addresses under the same IP which is now banned.

Jan Barrett - BNN Editor

Obviously I missed a lot. That’s what I get for taking “time off” to have a home life. It’s probably for the best though….

cent, I di know about Blue Moon’s case and I have seen documentation to prove her story is true. Her family & friend were victims of her sherriff’s dept….BIG TIME!!! It has been 5 yrs and is just now about to be brought out into the open. The sherriff deputy that caused a young man’s death by road rage type senario, was arrested just after for sexually assaulting young men by telling them he was also a med tech. After the crash, where the car was split into 2 (actually 3) peices, these young men started to call in with their complaints against him. Until they all got together and did so, I’m pretty sure they were terrified to tell. I mean he did actually end up killing one of his victims. There were other witnesses to the fact that he didn’t turn on sirens or lights during the chase, did not identify himself as an officer, just chased them until they crashed and one boy died as a result. Then he had another officer come out and take his car away BEFORE any other LE got there. I know this to be true due to newspaper reports at that time as well as recent reports about how the LE is CURRENTLY under investigation for the cover-up. GO get em!!! I hope that’s not too much info BLue Moon.
I too live in a county rife with corrupt LE. One night my brother was going to his girlfriend’s house. She works as a bartender, so he sits with her until closeing and they leave at the same time, seperate cars. Sometimes he leaves just a few minutes earlier and meets her at her house. This night, he left just a little ahead of her. As he traveled a long dark back-road he approached a stop sign. There was already a small pick-up (ranger type) stopped at the sign. After about 2 or 3 minutes the truck never took off or moved. So my bro gets out to see if the person is alright. He approaches the truck to find a man literally passed out drunk behind the wheel. As he tries to wake the guy to see if someone can come and get him, notice he didn’t try to cause any trouble, didn’t make any phone calls to LE, he didn’t even have a cell phone as he refuses to carry one. As he’s leaning in to try to help the guy a LE cruiser pulls up behind him. The officer walks up and my bro starts to tell him what was going on and that the guy needs someone to come and get him. He doesn’t say that he thinks there should be charges filed, as a matter of fact he tells the officer, who is in full uniform, that he’s willing to just let the guy go without trouble if someone would just come and get him. The officer literally SHOVES my bro out of the way, tells him the drunk man is an OFF-DUTY officer, to go away and MIND HIS OWN BUSINESS!!!! As a concerned citizen who was trying to help keep a drunk driver out from behind the wheel, he was told he had no rights whatsoever and to keep his mouth shut and move along! That is just one example and a small one.
I did notice how both Ron & CJ both were complaining that PCSO “wouldn’t do their
job(s)”.

New article!!!
Dispatcher Properly Handled 911 Road Rage Call
Posted on January 4th, 2010

DustyRose,isn’t it amazing that you can travel 90MPH and hear someone say they are going to kill you. What large ears he must have, big ones, to match his Pinocchio nose.

This is a word for word summary of what Kim Picazio now says about Crystal Sheffield.

Here are some of Kim Picasso’s exact statements about her Client Crystal Sheffield, the mother of missing child Haleigh Cummings. The entire transcript can be found on the Art Harris website. A link is posted at the bottom of these quotes of the exact words of Crystal Sheffield’s lawyer Kim Picazio.
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis and where their focus was in the time Haleigh Cummings had just gone missing.
In fact, days before the child went missing, Crystal had been served with a Motion for Contempt and a notice to appear in court for failure to pay child support to the custodial parent. Crystal had paid less than one thousand dollars ($1.000) of her child support
obligation since 2005. Of course, in the initial months of Haleigh’s disappearance, the last thing that I thought was appropriate would be to seek a modification of child support based on the fact that one child had been abducted. At all times, Marie Griffis felt we should file a court action lowering the amount Crystal was to pay to Ronald Cummings for support. Such an action was, in my opinion, highly inappropriate while investigators were still actively seeking to find little Haleigh and 0bring her home safely.
They (Crystal and her family) firmly believed that the family’s telephones and homes were being wire tapped, and that they were under surveillance by authorities, the media, and the Cummings family. The picture that was initially presented to me upon my entry into the case was much different than what I later learned to be factually true Marie Griffis. Marie was at all times outspoken, demanding, and extremely controlling of Crystal. She insisted that certain aspects of the case be divulged to the media. Mostly, this information related to negative rumors about Ronald Cummings. I learned that Marie Griffis had already begun a rather formal and publicized campaign for donations for her family. When I first arrived in Satsuma, I noted a handwritten poster at the family’s Haleigh Tent advertising a raffle for a Ford Expedition to take place on March 16, 2009. Further, the family and their friends had organized charity events in Haleigh’s honor at local businesses, set out donation jugs in town and at the tent, ordered tee shirts, pins and other trinkets with Haleigh’s picture and information displayed, and were selling these items for a profit to locals and tourists. All proceeds were, at that juncture, unaccounted for to my knowledge, and were being spent as they came in by the Crystal and Marie Griffis.By early May, 2009, I was informed by Marie that all funds from donations had been spent by the family Marie Griffis expressed her desire to form a nonprofit organization to seek donations from the public. I became aware that Marie had already been in negotiations with a concert promoter to hold a concert event to honor Haleigh, and to gain contributions and funds. . Ihighly disagreed with such organized efforts to raise money in the name of the search for Haleigh Cummings. Crystal and Marie never funded one searvh for Haleigh Cummings and paid NONE of the costs of the Haleighbug Center. Kim Picazio paid for the Haleighbug Center. Crystal and Marie kept all the money for the “searches” Crystal’s seeking of donations was insidious, and was an attempt to make a living off her own missing child

Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield and the custody issues with Ron Cummings over Junior and Haleigh Cummings.
Upon reviewing the court file, I found that my client had not been completely honest with me regarding her involvement in the Paternity proceedings of 2005. Affidavit of Service of
the original Petition for to Establish Paternity, personally served on Crystal Sheffield. Crystal then missed the Final Hearing.I realized that I had not been given thorough or accurate information regarding the procedural history of the paternity action. The procedures followed by the Court were standard. Crystal had had her day in Court, and had lost – fair and square. Crystal and her family, in an effort to raise her public image, had told numerous media outlets that the only reason that she did not have custody of her children was that she was not served with court papers, and had lost custody by default. Also, she claimed on national television that Ronald had kidnapped the children, and that his family, through their collusion and “connections” in the courthouse, made sure that Ronald retained custody of the children. This claim was simply untrue, and I was wholly unwilling to corroborate their previous version of the court file. I spent numerous meetings with Crystal and her mother, explaining that I could not attest facts that were untrue to the media, or to anyone else. At that time,I believe that a wedge began to form between Marie Griffis and I.
Kim Picasso on Crystal Sheffield and her drug abuse issues.
Crystal’s former private investigator William Staubs entered into a contract for investigative work with Crystal’s Father, Johnny Sheffield. Surprisingly, Crystal’s own father began doing interviews with avant guard media forums claiming that Crystal had a present drug problem, and was in need of rehabilitation. ,
Crystal Sheffield suffered a seizure while driving her vehicle with her infant daughter
in the car. Upon learning of the car accident, I was then informed by Crystal’s fiancé
for the first time that Crystal had been previously instructed not to drive her vehicle by her
primary care physician, as she had suffered seizures in the past. Unbeknownst to me, Crystal’s father had come upon the scene of her car accident to assist his daughter. Crystal’s Father has allegedly executed a sworn affidavit stating that when he came upon the scene of the accident, Crystal admitted to being on prescription pain medication (unprescribed), and gave her father the pills to hide from the police who were on their way to the accident site
The Department of Children and Families became aware of the allegations of drug use by Crystal. DCF requested a random toxicology test of Crystal Sheffield, during the course of their investigation, as they found it relevant to investigate Crystal’s fitness as a parent.
At that time, in June 2009, I learned from DCF that Crystal’s infant daughter, Chloe,
not even one (1) year of age, had been born with illegal narcotics in her system due to
Crystal’s drug use during her pregnancy. .
I felt as if I was only being told relevant information by the family, after a fiasco
had occurred. I could not represent a client who was not being honest with me, and was
taking illegal drugs. To make matters worse, In April 2009, Crystal admitted to me that
she had taken unprescribed pain medication. Further, her mother, Marie Griffis, reported
to me that Crystal had stolen her step-father’s pain medication after he had surgery in April.
There was evidence of her recent drug use and driving while under the influence of unprescribed pain medication. Further, her own Father had strongly represented to the media that he would testify that she was not fit to care for her children, due to her consistent drug use.
Despite Marie Griffis demanding I file a modification proceeding to seek custody of Crystal’s son in Ronald Cummings’ care, I was not willing to lie to the Court, and I did not feel that such an action would be successful. Marie Griffis became increasingly angered at my hesitancy to file a court action
for a change of custody. In good faith,was simply not willing to file such a pleading,
knowing my client was using drugs.,I informed Crystal and Marie on several occasions
of my recommendations and my opinions, but it was met with anger and frustration. There were many times that I requested private meetings with my client alone, as otherwise, her mother would insert her own feelings and demands on me and the case strategy, leaving Crystal’s feelings and desires unheard and discarded.

Kim Picazio On Crystal Sheffield and her involvement with her children Junior and Haleigh Cummings.
Crystal had never complained about her complete lack of involvement in her children’s lives since 2005. She did not attend doctors or dentist appointments, or even know who their medical care providers were. She did not ever visit the children during the week, even though her Final Judgment provided that the alternating weekends were a minimum visitation schedule, and permitted her to see the children duringthe week upon notice. Crystal did not speak with her children over the telephone during the week, and her only contact with them was roughly four (4) days per month on alternating weekends. Crystal had not been involved in Haleigh’s school, school functions, and did not even know what school Ronald, Jr. would be attending in the Fall of 2009.
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield and the police investigation.
Although I gave specific recommendations and guidance to Crystal to call the Sheriff’s
Office once per week to check on the status of Haleigh’s case, she failed to do so.
I do not believe she called the Sheriff’s Office for a status report on a single occasion
during my representation.
It was my understanding that Crystal was not a prime suspect in the case.
I attempted to persuade the family that we needed to heed the directives of law enforcement. Unfortunately, my recommendations were met with great resistance and anger by Marie Griffis

This was due to the fact that their animosity toward Ronald Cummings had previously resulted in family members and friends erupting to reporters, cursing, and present as vindictive. Such public animosity and unbridled blame did not serve Crystal’s interests, or make good impressions on the law enforcement team that were investigating Haleigh’s disappearance.

Hollysgmom,

Thank you. No, that is fine with me that you shared. I have to catch up on everything, have not been on since Sunday! Looks like I have a lot of reading to do!

But were there really children with them? Do we have proof that they were in the vehicle?
Cause if there were no children, I can think of reasons as to why CJ, didn’t know Misty was in there!

cent said,in January 6th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
“But were there really children with them? Do we have proof that they were in the vehicle?
Cause if there were no children, I can think of reasons as to why CJ, didn’t know Misty was in there!”

LOL….LMAOROTF

David:
Crystal or her involvement is still being questioned.

I do not think Crystal is with it enough to pull this off herself. However the timing of this (right after she gets an order to go to court for child support) does make me wonder about her family, boyfriend and friends. Also, becasue Kim Picazio has said that even though she felt it was in really bad taste, that family wanted to go straight away for a child support reduction. Not Crystal herself but her mother, Marie Griffis. Also, that this Marie Griffis was very concerned her phone was tapped. WTF, your grandchild is missing and your concern is that your phone is tapped?

I am speaking out at this time because from day one I have heard this Marie person and her daughter go on every show, every website, every blog and point their fingers at Ron Cummings and Misty Croslin as drug users. Then we learn that low and behold Crytal Sheffield is a drug addict that put her children at risk.
I noticed that Ron Cummings tried very hard not to say anything bad about Crystal Sheffield this entire time. After being attacked numerous times by them he finally made a few tiny remarks but NOTHING compared to what they have said. Seems to me they were more concerned with making him look as bad as they could than with finding this child.
Then I read what Kim Picazio has to say and it turns out that the main focus of Marie Griffis and Crystal Sheffield was Making money off a missing child, making Ron Cummings look bad not hard to do) and making themselves look good and innocent. This is very odd to me what a child’s life is at stake. Very odd.