There are many that would agree with that statement. As the calendar moves forward, the plight of Haleigh Cummings seems to move backward. The story that was covered ‘wall to wall’ by CNN and HLN has lost its luster. What used to be front page, alas now does not seem to even warrant a mention anywhere in the program or periodical.
Lots of people have tried their best to find the little girl. I am sure that most had good hearts, and good intentions, but few have stayed the course. I personally do not much enjoy Nancy Grace, I think she is very rude to most of her guests, and panel for that matter. I also think that most of her news is ‘old’. That said, I do have to admire the woman for giving the air time to the Haleigh Cummings story that she did.
Haleigh Cummings has become a war of attrition. One by one I see the media focus become unfocused. My wife Jan, myself, and our good friend TJ Hart made a promise. We will not let this case rest until there is a resolution. And we are bound and determined to make that reality.
The past ten months have revealed some of the worst examples of humanity I can think of. The families involved, the Croslin’s, Cummings, Sheffield’s, and all the rest, have nothing to be proud of. Jeff Foxworthy uses his ‘Red Neck’ routine as comedy, these people seem to use it as a way of life. Well, it would be funny, except there is still a little girl missing.
The Police in the area have also come under fire, I know, because I have had them in my written gun sights more than once. My commentary was born out of frustration though, others have targeted them for darker reasons. It became very clear to me that they were doing everything they possibly could, and indeed can, to resolve this case. While they do not like to talk publicly, they do occassionaly share their feelings. I wrote an article some time ago, I was angry, I expressed my concern that the search for Haleigh Cummings was headed for the cold case file. It took mere minutes for an email to appear in my inbox from the folks in Putnam County. The message was a simple one “Not on my watch.â€
The PCSO may not be the largest operation in the country, but they damn sure care.
Jan, TJ, and I have been following this story from day one. Someone, somewhere knows something. It is time to step forward. It is time to do the right thing.
I am convinced that all of the puzzle pieces are known, we just need to understand how the key piece fits, show us where that key piece fits, and this can be solved.
If you are that person that holds the key, please call someone. Neither TJ nor I are after fame, call crimestoppers, call your local police, but call someone.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon, I have no doubt that your hearts are pure for Haleigh. I know yall have not been after fame or recognition. Thank you for loving her and staying with it even when it has been very painful. She is a precious innocent one that we pray will be found very soon.
I would be so happy to hear they found this little girl safe and sound. I still have faith they will. Its been a long time she’s away from home but I still keep looking online almost every day to see if “today was the day”. Let’s bring this baby home, call the police, write a letter and mail it to them, tell a friend, anything that will help…. even if it seems like dumb info….
Unfortunately, she will become just another statistic. I still think it’s strange that the cadaver dogs hitting on the dumpster was considered an anomaly. Wasn’t there more than one dog that hit on that dumpster? Even when someone is convicted for this crime, I don’t think they will find her body. Poor, innocent child…..
I agree with Treece. Thank you Simon and Jan for all that you do to keep this precious little girl and other missing children names out there. I do not like Nancy Grace either she is very rude to her guest and very ugly for that matter. I just someone who holds the key to Haleigh or the other missing children to come forward allow these families to have some sort of closure. My prayers are with Haleigh and the other missing children in the world.
Now is not the time. The “time” was 10 months ago and the redundant phrase that it is time Haleigh comes home is overused and blatantly untrue. More than likely, Haleigh is home & most definitely is in a better place than where she was. It is BEYOND clear whoever did this to Haleigh has no remorse, conscience or soul. This person has an ego that is so grand, he will go to his death without a whisper from his lips as to where Haleigh is and what has happened to her. It’s a game to him, in my opinion.
10 minutes, 10 hours, 10 days, 10 months, 10 years, it’s all the same. This tragic case will never be solved because he will never utter a word as to the whereabouts of Haleigh, ever.
While people say they did everything they could to find Haleigh, whether it was the family, LE, searchers, media… no we didn’t. We failed her completely at every angle possible. If the day ever comes when records are released & information is granted, I think we will all be gravely disappointed to see the truth involved in this case and the many opportunities that were missed, evidence that was not pushed, crimes that were not prosecuted perhaps with a dash of corruption.
It’s not time Haleigh comes home. If it’s time for anything, it’s time to kick this case wide open, Haleigh will follow.
My own opinions and thoughts.
Simon,
Thank you for this article.And TY and jan both for keeping Haleigh name out there as well as other kids missing.And as far as CNN and HLN well maybe they have been advised not to have Haleighs name in the news.(thinking out loud here).As far as Nancy Grace, well shes the rudest person i know on TV and we out here do all the re-seaching for her and send it in to her, imo.And I will promise You and Jan and TJ all that I will follow this case till the end. Ten months ago I started following this case in a hospital room with my hubby, He broke His back the same day Haleigh went missing. We both follow this case and pray for her daily.Yes shes still missing going on 11 months now.And i convenced that the pieces of this puzzle is known also and in my opinion PCSO dont give a rats ass if Haleigh is found or not. Guess I am venting here but this is how I feel. God Bless Haleigh Maire Cummings is all I can say at this point. Of couse this is in my opinion only.
AnneInTn
Tapped out,
I agree with you, but I am not sure what “kick the case wide open” means. How does one do that with no evidence?
Tapped Out said,in December 29th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
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He who are you talking about? And I do understand thats it time to kick this case wide open.
“kick this case wide open” as in….???????? What are you talking about?
I think the answers lie with the families..What’s sad is all the people involved have raided the coffers that were donated by kind folks that wanted this little girl found. Has the money ran out as well as the searches? I wish thepolice would have arrested Misty and Ron early on for child endangerment like they did with the Bookal case. I think that was the big misstep the police took..With that arrest, someone would have rattled off the whole sordid truth. I wanted to believe that Haleigh was still alive but with each passing month hope waned. Now all I want is for her to have a proper burial and those responsible are found!
LE cannot harass the families unless there is evidence against them—there is none. We can theorize all night long that the family members hold the key. The fact is there is no proof of that. The family members have been interviewed. Nothing more LE can do. To arrest them for child endangerment is silly. Children have disappeared from their own beds. It is not child endangerment.
Simon,
This unfortuately is a cold case. A cold case is not defined by the energy LE put into the case, but rather by solid leads. There are no solid leads. Who ever took Haleigh, or knows what happened to her has no conscience. To keep asking that person(s) to come forward to “do the right thing” is useless–they will never come forward. I believe the bulk of the energy should be spent on more searches for Haleigh’s body. Finding her body gives the best chance of finding her killer(s).
It sickens my heart that this child has been gone for this length of time and still we don’t know what has happened to her. All envolved here are ‘shady’ characters with records as long as my arms yet the only time they give a smidgent of information is when they are pulled in for drugs or fighting amongst themselves, charges are pressed and then their bond is reduced. Haleigh may have been taken and is now in another state since the Sheffields own land in Tennessee. IMO, I would concentrate on Crystals side since she had wanted custody but was unable to come up with the past payments.
Whatever the case may be…..this child has to come home now…..this has to end now…..we along with her family wants her home safe and sound. Jr. needs his sister with him.
Why would anyone want Haleigh to come “home” to that dysfunctional mess?! If by some miracle she is found, alive..social services shoul put her in a loving foster family!
I wonder if LE looked under the dumpster? Could she have been put there like Somer Thompson was? Only to have been taken to a landfill in another state. We all know that Somer would not have been found if it wasn’t for the quick thinking of a police officer in her town. I wonder if Putnam police have sought out information on where the trash from that dumpster is taken to? Wasn’t it as at least a week or two before they checked the dumpster? Plenty of time for the garbage to have been picked up. If Haleigh had accidently taken a pharmaceutical that could have ended her life, you better bet Misty and friends were looking for a quick way to dispose of her. Do you really think they are smart enough, or would have been sober enough to put her anywhere else. I mean apparently this is how child predators (Casey Anthony) dispose of children in Florida. Like they are trash.
You have good intentions for not resting until the case is resolved. I hope you can stick with it. I said the same thing about Amy Bradley and Natalee Holloway and that news doesn’t ignite any flame anymore. Some things are just not meant to be uncovered.
I feel that if the person that is the key gets into enough trouble to warrent jail time they will spill the beans on the guilty party. Remember you can get a reduced or get out of jail free card with the right information down there. jmo
I also got a really weird feeling watching the Misty at the airport video. She just seemed to sure of herself and stated that she wasnt afraid of being arrested. If it were me and I was being hounded by the press and PCSO you can bet I would be scared. People go to jail all the time for things they didnt do. Not that she is innocent. I also think she knows Haleigh will never be found.jmo
Old News,
IMO, I feel that Amy and Natalie are both still alive and have been sold into human trafficing.
I also cant beleive Misty can walk down the street in safety. I live in a small town and if this was going on I would have to hide in my house or move. Even my house may not be safe. That makes me beleive no one in Satsuma or where she is cares, or some of the town rough guys would be on her butt. jmo
Also right now with the bad economy $35,000 is a lot of money, all you have to do is get the right information and its payday. jmo
Is Kathleen Jones related to Charlie Jones? Just wondering because she just got arrested for battery.
cobra bailed whos next?
I notice the crime doctor had no mention above..
”My wife Jan, myself, and our good friend TJ Hart made a promise. We will not let this case rest until there is a resolution. And we are bound and determined to make that reality.”
You do not stand alone… in heart and spirit… many are with you.
We must all stand up and declare in a loud voice – ”STOP – Our Children Must Be Protected – We Must All Protect Our Children!”
I think you and the group have done a great job keeping Haleigh’s name in the news, and TJ’s reporting has been very professional and newsworthy. Unless events occur with the families or there are discoveries made, there may not be much you can continue to discuss. With these families, things of interest will likely continue to occur. But, the continued mention of Haleigh’s name will help.
Local law enforcement has definitely put in a great deal of effort, but this is a tricky case. There are few clues and too many shady characters. It’s possible the abductor just had a lot of dumb luck and it may take dumb luck to solve this case.
It is crucial that an OUTSIDER come in a take a fresh look at the facts, because local LE is way too close to this case to solve it. Not that they aren’t good at what they do, but they cannot see the forest for the trees. Someone with a very different background and with no local bias needs to come in, look at the evidence, ask questions, and handle this case. Local LE should not speak unless asked to. Again, no slam intended on local LE, but a fresh view is critical.
I know I am probably going to receive alot of grief for this but it bothers me so here it is.
I would like to know what exactly happened in Flagler Florida with Misty and J.Miller. Could this have any bearing on passed crimes with Misty? Was she the only one involved in this and was she babysitting at the time? I s there any way we can find out anything envolving this case? It could relate to this case now in some way? jmo
I have a question. The cousin that was visiting Misty where in Tenn does he live? And does either side of the family have family that lives in Jacksonville, Fl. please Simon, Jan, or TJ e-mail me with that info thru my e-mail addy
Thanks
I beleive it is Antioch. Near Nashville.
Jeremy Miller: convicted 2006 of lewd and lascivious battery on a minor. Misty’s name is not listed in the reports (perhaps due to juvenile (under 18 law)..but Lisa Croslin, Misty’s mother, filed for an order of protection against Jeremy Miller, and signed a petition for testimony to be given by Misty Croslin concerning Jeremy Miller and these charges. Incarcerated at this time.
Has anyone ever talked to this Jeremy Miller?
Why would Misty testify against him and what exactly went on in this case? Was she directly involved or was she babysitting when something happened? just curious.
Jeremy Miller committed enough of a crime that he is still serving an EIGHT YEAR sentence. Misty would have been 13 at the time. I think it is very, very wrong to even discuss the incident on here. It has no bearing whatsoever on this case, and the details should be protected, as should the identity of the minor involved.
I have something that has been bugging me lately. Remember in the beginning when Ron and Misty were worried about the mobile home being bugged?
If your child was really stolen out of their bed at night, wouldn’t your logical reaction be that they were kidnapped? And if that were the case wouldn’t you want your phones tapped in case the kidnappers call?
I hope LE took note of that giant red flag waving around. Only the guilty parties have anything to fear by LE hearing what they have to say. And it was Nay Nay who Misty didn’t want to have the conversation with on the phone, so what was she worried about Nay Nay saying on the phone?
I think the key to solving this is by looking at the people Misty has NOT pointed the finger at (RC). If Tommy or Joe really did know something about what happened to Haleigh, there is no way in hell that Misty would turn on them. They could just turn back around on her.
Marie, The minor can be left nameless ,but was this Misty babysitting when this occured?
What was her involvement in this case? Misty also is no longer a minor.
Not if Misty could tell all and Tommy and Joe would be found guilty. They would take the throwing under the bus as long as Misty didnt tell all she knows. Misty is protecting herself with what she knows and will tell if she is threatened. I think NayNay was going to talk about the weekend and Misty didnt really want that all out there. It got out any ways. jmo
The van bothers me. It was Lyndsys van lent to Chelsea because Hank wrecked Chelseas car on Sunday. They had the van on Sunday and then on Monday, Tuesday morning it has scratches and brush in the grill? Tommy could have extra keys,since it was thier van. They let Misty borrow it to pick up the kids from the bus stop. How and when did Mistys blanket get in the van. she was gone for the weekend and the van was at Chelseas before she came back on Sunday.imho
That van could be crucial to the case. Bet there was evidence of some kind that LE has from it. jmo
If LE could narrow the time line from when Chelsea went to bed and the Van dissapears and then reappears, that could be the time line they are trying to match with Misty. They can narrow down how far to search by time.jmo
mariesilk said,in December 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
“I hope LE took note of that giant red flag waving around. Only the guilty parties have anything to fear by LE hearing what they have to say”
Mariesilk, I have to agree with those sentiments.
Tobias, there has been a commentor in the past who seemed to have some info on that case. I don’t know the details but I will try to find out who the other poster was for you.
One of these people took that van somewhere that night. And they took it to a place that caused those scratches and brush to be in the grill. They obviously were either panicked, were unfamiliar with the area, or didnt drive well at night. And if its innocent why hasnt the party said so. jmo
True Tobias, as well as match the foliage that was stuck in the grill, etc as to where it occured
Tobias, I can answer your questions about Misti and Jeremy Miller. She was not babysitting at the time. She was dating Jeremy Miller before, during and after his arrest and she was the minor that was involved.
I can also tell you that Lisa Croslin received money for Misti to go thru drug rehab and counciling for what happened between her and Jeremy Miller, and that Misti shortly after the plea agreement between the state and Jeremy Miller returned to Michigan, completing neither the drug rehab program or the counciling.
There is more to the story and I know that it is all online and I also know that both Cobra and TJ Hart have the full story as well as myself.
Because I did some digging and found out the truth behind the charges and what the real story is concerning Misti, Lisa, and Jeremy I have been accused of being a relative of Jeremy’s, which I am not.
But do let me say this, Misti learned very early that she could lie to LE and get away with it. She also learned that she could lie to LE and make money while doing so.
Hollys Gma, Only reason I wonder about that case is Misty claims to have babysat since she was 11. And I wonder if she was babysitting when the Jeremy Miller thing happened. He was a minor at the time also. And maybe this is why Ron married Misty , because he was afraid she or her parents would do to him what they did to JM. JMO
What bothers me is the fact that Misti stated that she didn’t want to talk on the phone and in the MH because she was worried that they could be bugged.
If she and Ron were innocent then why would they be worried about anything being bugged?
I think it was a back road “pig-trail” that had some brush grown up over the sides of the road. Like hunting trails here on our Eglin Reservation and around the general area. A tree limb jutting out here or there, deep puddles or dips in the road, ect. Somewhere very very few people go…. Where is Tommy Croslin’s or Sr’s favortie hunting areas. They may or may not have legal right to arms but may still hunt secretly.
True it was said that they deer hunted. Cant imagine hunting with someone on those drugs though lol
HollysGma, Have you gone to the Flagler court records and looked at Tommys cases? He had several domestic violence charges and a restraining order from Lyndsy, but of course she dropped them later. Kinda tells alot about any of her statements.jmo
After we “worked out” that info the other day about the gators….I’ve got a theory about how they could have gotten “rid” of her. I think it pretty much answers who did what or at least who the 2 or 3 people who were involved in “hiding” here was.
and the Law says;
would all of the info about Flagler be online or is some of the info insider type info? I ask because I was going to go take a look and wondered if I would find all info posted publicly?
Thank you Law. I always got the impression that there was more to that story than met the eye. Especially after seeing her pics with cousin Brandon Overstreet on his my space. Those were probably taken while in Michigan.jmo
Due to temperature issues they would have likely put her or (ugh) parts of her in known gator areas during the mid-day time range. So, if this theory is correct that would mean that they “stowed” her remains until the next early morning until the van could be of use. They might have left & stayed gone right away, or sometime the next morning. Do we know where the van & TC, JO, were the next morning or the following day? This could explain why dogd hit on dumpster, temporary “stow” point. Yes they would decide to put her remains behind a locked gate because they didn’t want the average person searching for her to find them (remains). They might have known how often that gate was unlocked- daily, weekly, monthly? They might also know who had access to that dumpster- I’d say few people due to the locked gate around it, correct? So it might make sense to hid someone there.
How soon was dumpster in locked gate searched? 2 days at least right? If they did put her there then they took her out towards the RR tracks and parts beyond.
They have covered their track very well and that is why they are so unafraid. No body,very little evidence and the time line is so messed up.jmo
Tobias:
I haven’t found the link yet, but I seem to remember the van belonged to Tommy and Lindsay and was lent to Timmy and Chelsea when Hank Sr. wrecked their car. The van was parked at Timmy’s, which is also where Joe Overstreet slept the night Haleigh went missing. Can anyone else remember this?
I still don’t think that Joe and Tommy being guilty in this would explain the behavior we have seen from Ron (although, they may have knowledge or suspicions). Remember on NG, in the last interview RC did, when she finally called him out. She asked him if he had any problem with Misty’s changing story. He answers that he doesn’t think she has changed her story.
I really feel like he says this because he thinks Misty has done a good job keeping their story straight. In his mind they have stuck to the cover story that they concocted that night and Ron is satisfied with that. He has shown no desire to get to the bottom of what happened to his own daughter. IMO the only reason a parent would not aid in the investigation is if they already know what happened and have shifted into ‘moving on’ mode instead of ‘Where is she?’ mode.
Does that make sense?
HollysGmom you won’t find much online because the case involved a minor. However you can pay to get the information from the paper that covered it at the time. It is in their archives.
There is also some information that you can get on the case from the court records themselves. But the best source of information comes from either Jeremy himself, or the neighbors that lived less than 8 feet from Lisa and Misti at the time.
I think Tommy left her there till he could go home and get a vehicle. He wouldnt want to be gone when Lindsy got home remember. He later left then returned without her knowing.Or she is covering for him. jmo
Dumpsters “scoured” on Feb 27th??? WHy so long?
Per the Central Florida News 13 website:
“Friday, February 27, 2009
Putnam County Sheriff’s Detectives spent several hours Thursday evening (02/26/09) sorting through tons of yard trash in a dumpster near the home of missing five year old Haleigh Cummings. The detectives began pulling out the contents of the dumpster, piece by piece, after three canines alerted at the receptacle. Ultimately, nothing of interest was discovered during the search.”
16 days after her disappearance? 3 dogs reacted to that same dumpster? …
I thought gators only ate live food?
Tobias said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Is Kathleen Jones related to Charlie Jones? Just wondering because she just got arrested for battery.
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That’s the mother of Deric Jones, I don’t know if she’s Charles mother or not. Deric is Charle’s brother, don’t know if it’s full or half.
Marie;
I hear what you are saying. Would Ron be able to contain himself if they told him she died accidentally and they paniced? Nothing her could really do by then, they might have convinved him to go along for the donations that would surely follow, they had done a “good job” of hiding her, so it will forever look like an abduction….would he go along? or would he only go along if he himself was involved? This I ask myself as well.
Native Alien/Missing Meds/the law says you’ve been posting the same crap about Misty’s brutal rape for months on every board that will allow it. So what if you talked to Jeremy Miller and who cares what he has to say. The SA and the cops didn’t send his ass away for nothing.
charminglane;
Tobias & I were talking in another thread the other day about this topic and we did some research to scientifically rule in or out a gatoer theory and from what information we dug up, they would very likely eat “dead” food as they would just be comming out of the “winter” season wherein they eat very little (stop eating below 60 degrees) However the month preceeding Haleigh’s disappearance the weather peaked a couple of times helping to pull the gators into mating season earlier than other regions. When the aligators go into mating season they are very hungry and will eat food during the day in that area in Mid-Feb IF…the temperature rises above 70 degrees and stays there most of the day or for several days…this did occur. I have saved the records so I can show them to others for thier own interest.
Vaquera;
If we don’t know the specifics of the case how do we know what transpired. Innocent, or not that guilty people have gone to jail before. There have been a couple of verified, irrefutable accounts of innocent people being executed, only to have DNA PROVE that they did not commit the crime they were executed for. While I have faith in juries, I also question Lisa & Misty Croslin, as to thier motives, morals, and ethics.
The Innocence Project..if you don’t know about it, maybe you should.
Sorry, the Innocence Project statement was for everyone. I think we all need to be informed, that way we can continue to make an informed decision regarding these and other cases, laws, and ooutcomes.
Gunny and I were involved in this case from the beginning.I am a very honest person and respected in the community. I do a lot of volunteer work with the Newfoundlands. I do not lie.Yet, Cobra called me a liar on the radio show and told PCSO that I was a signal 20.
I pray everyday that Haleigh is found alive.
Why this was ever done to me I will never know.
I was only a volunteer.
blstark;
Sometimes people are used for their good intentions then are considered “guilty by association” later. I think this might be the case. If it WAS as “set-up” search I don’t think “they” would have let you in on that…I’m not even sure if they would have let Cobra in on it…they wanted you & him to be “credible witnesses” therefore if they gave you no knowledge of a fake search there would be plausable deniablility…JMO
The van wasn’t “called into question” until March 17th? Am I correct in this? I’m searching the media database and this is the first date I see mention of the van. This is also “Propasal Day” I believe…will check…brb
Vaquera said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Native Alien/Missing Meds/the law says you’ve been posting the same crap about Misty’s brutal rape for months on every board that will allow it. So what if you talked to Jeremy Miller and who cares what he has to say. The SA and the cops didn’t send his ass away for nothing.
First let me say that I am not Native Alien, nor am I Missing Meds. Do I know the same information that they know, yes.
So therefore it would follow that I would answer questions about it. You are right he wasn’t sent away for nothing. He agreed to a plea deal because it was the lesser of the charges that he faced, the other charges being drug charges that could have gotten him 25 years.
Brutal rape is something that I would ask you to prove that is what it was because nowhere is it listed as a brutal rape. Also considering that the trailer next door was less than 8 feet away, and given that at no time did Misti, Lisa or Jeremy say that Misti was gagged and the neighbors never heard anything? Excuse me but when was the last time that you heard a 13 year old girl scream?
Correction:
Proposal Was 3/06/09
Married 03/13/09
Inconsistancies & Timelines on 03/16/09
Van Taken into LE custody 03/17/09
LE returns Van 03/19/09
SInce JM is/was the named party, can you answer what the drug charges were? I’m assuming either Cocain or perscription meds since marijuanna possession wouldn’t bring that high of a charge/sentence. Was the potential charge contributing to the delincency of a minor with schedule 1 drug(s)? or some other charge?
There was also mention of Misty continueing to date him AFTER his arrest? For how long? She obviously testafied, so how did they continue a relationship knowing she would be forced to testafy? Did the relationship end at his conviction or were there correspondences?
It’s funny you spell Misty- Misti at every place I’ve seen that same stuff posted. I will stand by what I’ve said.
The Croslin speaking in this quote is Chelsea Croslin:
Van returned article: 03/27/09 Discussing the van being returned 03/19-20/09 The van had been in impound for “weeks” or since 2 days after Haleigh went missing, it wasn’t reported on until 03/17-09
Here is what Chelsea says:
“Croslin says the night Haleigh disappeared, a family member was staying with them. She says around 4am when Misty called them to tell them Haleigh was missing, they went outside to the van to drive to Haleigh’s home. Croslin says she immediately noticed the van was not in the same spot she left it. “I know I don’t park like that, and I was the last to drive the van.”
also
“After a few hours, another sign the van was tampered with appeared. “The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van. I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van.
A scratch leading from just behind the driver’s side door handle to the back tire is very visible. Croslin says that scratch was not there the last time she drove it. “The scratch—it runs all the way down the van. That’s something someone would know if you’re riding against something and steadily scratching it.”
Croslin believes the only explanation is that at some point during the night Haleigh was taken, the family member staying with her took the van. Police say they have tracked that man down and questioned him. They also say he has not been ruled out as a suspect.
“I’m not accusing anybody…it’s just me being a mom and believing what I believe and piecing things together, I almost feel like might know who it is,” said Croslin
“All police would say about the van being impounded is that it was taken to the FDLE’s crime lab in Jacksonville, analyzed, then released. They would not comment on any specifics of what was searched, or if anything was found in the van.”
I just think it is wrong to bring up the sexual violation of a minor, even though she is now 18. I agree, 8 years is a long time for a minor to be sentenced if there were any doubts as to what happened.
Is there nothing sacred?
Hollys Gmom said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Vaquera;
If we don’t know the specifics of the case how do we know what transpired. Innocent, or not that guilty people have gone to jail before. There have been a couple of verified, irrefutable accounts of innocent people being executed, only to have DNA PROVE that they did not commit the crime they were executed for. While I have faith in juries, I also question Lisa & Misty Croslin, as to thier motives, morals, and ethics.
The Innocence Project..if you don’t know about it, maybe you should
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Because I know other people who have seen the actual court records and have been told what happened to Misty was a brutal rape. She was 13 at the time. I don’t think it has anything to do with Haleigh being gone and it’s a shame that this keeps being brought up time and time again by the same person and it is the same person. I don’t care to know about all the horrid details but you know damn good and well the SA’s didn’t just put him away because Misty said that happened, they have the evidence to back it up.
I don’t think Misty did anything to Haleigh and she was asleep. Her brother made sure the door was open for Johnny SHeffield to come in and take her.
mariesilk said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I just think it is wrong to bring up the sexual violation of a minor, even though she is now 18. I agree, 8 years is a long time for a minor to be sentenced if there were any doubts as to what happened.
Is there nothing sacred?
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Apparently not.
Vaquera said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
It’s funny you spell Misty- Misti at every place I’ve seen that same stuff posted. I will stand by what I’ve said.
Funny that is the way that she spells it so that must mean that I am Misti too.
mariesilk, not in the case of a missing child when the person that last saw her and last had custody of a missing child has been lying for years to law enforcement.
To me it all goes to the creditability issue of the that person and in this case, the child that is missing is far more important than the person that has lied.
Hollys Gmom said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
There was also mention of Misty continueing to date him AFTER his arrest? For how long? She obviously testafied, so how did they continue a relationship knowing she would be forced to testafy? Did the relationship end at his conviction or were there correspondences?
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How do you date someone in jail?
I’m sorry if my questions have upset you both. I tried to only ask questions that pertained to JM. If you KNOW that it was “brutal” and not just Statutory then why is it wrong for others to ask for themselves. I don’t know one way or another and if you & others do KNOW the facts then you would have had to “looked into it” or have direct knowledge. Would it be wrong for others to look for themselves, just to put it to rest for themselves? or is the problem just that it would be better if we just quietly checked it out for ourselves without mentioning it here? Not being snarky, just trying to resolve this issue…it keeps comming up and it would be nice to come to a resolution about it.
By visitation & mail, phone calls…..Women have been known to marry incarerated criminals….how do they do it?
She could have contacted him from someone else’s address, using a fake name so to appear that he wasn’t continuing correspondence with her. All just speculatory of course…It was mentioned so I had questions as to how long Misty/Misti continued to “date” him.
I think this incident was what caused Misty many problems over the years. Potentially to include:
Dropping out of school,
drug use/abuse,
alcohol use/abuse,
moving in with an older man with 2 kids at 16, leaving Ron’s house to spend time with GP then returning to RC immediately following…these are all actions that could be symptomatic of a mental disorder brought on by this JM attack.
There are currently 4 different cases (at least) that we are following here at BNN:
Marc Anthony Bookal- Latest Update: Looking for him in River nearby home. (Appears LE feel he is certainly deceased) He had been being “babysat” by his mom’s scuzzy boyfriend.
Hasanni Campbell- Latest Update: Oakland cops say he was never in Oakland that day and they employeed 12 Homicide Detectives within days of his disapearance- Oakland LE believe that he is deceased. He was being “babysat” by his Foster mom’s (aunt)husband.
Adji Desir – Latest Update: No recent updates. He is still missing without a trace since Jan 10 of this yr. He was being “babysat” by his Grandmother
Haleigh Cummings – Missing since Feb 10, no arrests or even named suspects. TM and other voice the opinion that she is no longer alive.
Haleigh was being “babysat” by her father’s girlfriend at the time of her abduction.
What do ALL of these cases have in common? They all occured while the child was in the company of someone other than thier parents. Does this make it the “babysitter’s ” fault? Not necessairly, it’s just weird to me that they have this in common.
Vaquera said,in December 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
the last known person to see haleigh is misty. so of course she will be the number one person looked at.
i too believe innocent people go to prison.
whatever happened or didn’t happen with j.m. i believe it had a significant impact on misty. especially considering her age.
i appreciate most on this blog do not want to re victimize a person. but, i was wondering if it is relevant in anyway? not the specific details. but, wondering was babysitting involved? was there evidence in the case besides misty words. it was a plea deal, so we really don’t know what the truth is. i don’t really see all of us as equal when it comes to the law. it depends on money and your representation.
when misty says things, it often leaves me with more questions.
i believe many of us don’t want the salacious details. just wondering about the fact that one person who has been through everything misty has been through, how is it relevant to her taking care of haleigh and whatever happened the night haleigh disappeared.
Vaquera, i am praying with my whole heart someone does have haleigh and that their intentions were/are to take care of haleigh.
I do beleive that whatever happened to Misty with JM does show us that she has a tendency to choose abusive men that runs as far back as age 13. Even if this was a he said she said thing, the only way it pertains to Haleigh is by adding to the character profile of Misty. Which, I guess, is pertinent after all. People who have experienced traumatic experiences as children often become drug addicts to deal with the memories. A major self defense mechanism for a person such as this is to compartmentalize events in their subconcious. They do all they can to distance themselves from the horrible truth, often coming to believe their own lies. They believe as long as they stick to their story, they can’t be busted. Misty is very tough, and she may never crack. I sincerely hope that le is getting ready to prove her and Ron wrong on that front.
I still flip back and forth on what could have happened to Haleigh. But RC’s smirk, worrying about bugged phones, denying Misty’s changing story, even though there is proof on record that she did, I just can’t explain these things.
I have also had this gut feeling that his stop at the store that night was staged for timeline purposes. They think they are smart,that’s for sure.
And another thing that can’t be explained is the rose.
Misty led TM there via her directions. What would make Misty think that the area was not searched well enough?
This situation tells me 2 things.
1-Misty knows the area VERY well.
2-Misty has some way of knowing that the area wasn’t searched well enough. The only way I see for this to be so is if she knew (or THOUGHT she knew) where Haleigh was and hadn’t yet been found.
I can’t think of any other answer for #2.
This is all JMO, of course.
I am so sorry for the above post,LOL. I guess I should have paid attention to what I copied and pasted. sheesh. I am having a very blonde day today,LOL
The part that counts Holly’sGmom’s copied post to my reply at the very bottom
Mea culpa 😉
This blog today repulses me. Who gives any of you the right to exploit and expose any minor who has been sexually abused? Why do you care?? It is not your business and has NOTHING to do with Haleigh. I’m especially appalled at the one’s that have been sexually abused themselves! Do you want someone digging up your abuse and exposing and judging you about it.What is this blog coming to??
I have read part of Misty’s sexual abuse case and I think the words “heinous and extreme brutality” were used. It was a horrid abuse against her. Who the hell are you to try & act like it was not ABUSE? She was a MINOR, protected by the law!!! What gives you the right?? It was horrible and Jeremy took a plea bargain because if he had gone before a jury they would have hung him. I don’t think he should ever get out!!! I think he will be a repeat offender but for some reason some of you want to excuse him and blame her. Why do you want the horrid details of what all he did to torture and damage her?? This is just disgusting!!! To me this is crossing a line that has violated her all over again.
I did not bring the subject up, but did try to clarify why the poster was making the claims that they were, for my self and anyone who reads after. I did not address her in the incident but rather her attacker and what made the person feel that it was an unfair ruling. If they had continued a relationship it would make it seem a little more true. I do feel that she was emotionally ,if not mentally damage by her upbringing & the traumatic event. I think by saying this it helps others to see that possibly some of Misty’s choices or exploits are/were really just reactions to internal stimuli, not the actions of a bad or evil person. I only wished to discuss the matter to make a clarification as to why that person and a couple of others question the ruling of that case. Sorry to those who feel it is a line stepper. I have myself posted that on my own article, that I felt it too personal to mention directly, just that I felt she had experienced a traumatic event as a teenager which could have caused her to act-out in these and other ways.
treece said,in December 30th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I’m especially appalled at the one’s that have been sexually abused themselves! Do you want someone digging up your abuse and exposing and judging you about it.What is this blog coming to??
Treece, those of us who have been sexually abused are no strangers to “nay-sayers”. Every family’s got them, no matter who commits the crime/abuse. There will always be those who try to discount you & your story. I only hope that if my past were being called into question during a MISSING CHILD INVESTIGATION that someone would ask a poster who makes those kinds of statement why they feel that way and get it out in the open so ALL can make an informed decision. More than likely the claims will only be validated by “insider” information. To me, if you have talked to the people involved in that case, interviewed them, or their neighbors you have that insider information. Maybe a relative of his, or someone else’s still trying to discredit M. If so we need to uncover that right here and now and have the proper information to combat “dis-information”. Right? Or should we ignore the post but leave it so that people who read these comments days from now start to think it’s accurate or even ponder it? I’m tired of it being brought up too! I want to know right now what thier EVIDENCE is. They say they have it, I want to see it (pro or con). I want to put this thing to rest now. I want to be able to pull out the correct documentation to insist that they are wrong about M not really being a victim, ok.
You or no other blogger has the right to make an informed decision about it. IT was a sealed case, you don’t have any right to be informed about it or have any info to discuss or decide! It was 5 years ago, it has nothing to do with Haleigh. It is creating a freaking side show that WILL NOT help Haleigh in any way and it is just an excuse to exploit Misty. This is perverted, it is wrong. I would be ready not only to file charges against but beat the hell out of anyone doing this to my daughter. We act like we are such a loving, caring group on this blog all for the “right” all for Haleigh, but we justify this nonsense in the name of being informed?? in the name of helping?? in the name of caring?? God help us!!
The only information we even have a right to have about that case is the decision by the state of Florida. Anything else is hearsay at this point.
To attempt to publicly “re-try” a closed case involving a minor by raking up years-old hearsay and promoting Miller’s predictable claim of innocence is appalling.
The State of Florida had the facts at the time and made the decision. We are not and never will be in a position to objectively second-guess that decision. To even attempt such a thing on this blog is a horrid invasion of privacy and a travesty of justice.
If some people want to support Miller then he and they can go through the appropriate channels to try to get a re-trial – or some kind of re-dress on the issue.
Nothing that is said on this blog will achieve that. All that will be achieved is yet another violation of a child. (IMO)
So if they post comments like that we are to just ignore them completely, let others do the same and don’t even address it. If others later read it and get a negative impression about M about it, ok. So asking them to “put up or shut up” is out of the question as well? As far as I am concerned that was what I was doing, but trying to do so in a nice way. Don’t come here with those claims if you don’t want to back them up with REAL proof. Can they really have any? Not likely, but we shouldn’t try to confirm?
If someone makes those types of claims about anyone I think it is our duty to ask for clarification and/or validation to back up their claims. We’ve always done so in the past.
In fact most have demanded it. How do we “combat” these types of postings if not with the truth. Why is it ok for Treece, Vaquera, and others to have this information but if anyone else asks for or about it they’re seen as “ghouls”? Didn’t you guys read about it, even talk to people with inside info? Why is it ok for you to have or do that but not ok for me to try to get a poster to answer some direct questions about thier claims? Why do you even know or have seen documents about that case? Why? WHy did you see it/them? Was it after Haleigh went missing? Was is after someone had made a similar claim about M previously? When did you see/read that info and why? Why was it any more your business then the rest of us?
Misty has been bashed and criticized with rumors and theories and gossip by lots of people on this blog for ten months and we have never “investigated” them to uncover their motives or demanded confirmation of their accusations in order to combat disinformation.
This is just another assault on someone who at one time the state of Florida deemed a victim -and who I would not like to see violated again for what happened in the past.
Hollysgmom, one minute you say you were trying to stop vicious rumors and the next you are demanding to know all the info some of the rest of us had. Which is it are you wanting to stop it or stir it up??!! Vaquera, mariesilk nor myself were talking about it. We were trying to stop it.
I don’t see your above post as trying to do that.
I think the lines about “innocent people being executed”, questioning the “drug charges” and questioning ” Misty dating Jeremy” was stirring it up not trying to stop false accusations. You are right every victim has the “nay-sayers”.
I will tell you what I know about it, maybe it will stop this violation and feeding frenzy.
Jeremy was also a minor. This fact voids your idea that maybe it was just statutory. His rape and torture to Misty was so brutal and heinous that a judge ruled he should be tried as an adult. Misty had to have hospital treatment. It was a horrible tragedy to go through and Misty was the VICTIM that a judge ruled to CLOSE this case to protect her. However, evil people who want to exploit her and blame her for everything that has gone wrong dug it up and exposed it and then spend alot of time planting bullshit ideas of Jeremy being mistreated and continues to find bloggers to spread it around.
What do I think you should have done? Maybe listen to mariesilk in her post at 1:58 or 4:45 or Vaquera at 3:43.
Yes, I too, have been a victim of family sexual abuse. Yes, I am very aware of the nay-sayers and the ones that discount me and my story. I am also 50 years old and have years of growth and healing. BUT I will never forget how it felt when I was a teen, had not had any counseling and healing!!!!! I remember adults judging and talking. I never had my life plastered on TV and blog sites that would have even been worse. But I remember my own pain enough not to jump on this kind of frenzy.
Again, I ask you why is it any of our business and how does this relate to Haleigh??
I love Jan and Simon. I love their hearts and I believe they have the purest of intent for these children. I don’t believe they gain anything from this but actually sacrifice their selves, their time, money and emotion for the love of these children. But this blog lately has taken a turn that really saddens me. I know for a fact that Jan has compassion on any victim of sexual abuse. It is hard to tell sometimes what the intention of some of these post really are.
The only people claiming to have “insider info” are the people accusing Misty of lying in that case (in order to defend Miller who is behind bars and/or in order to throw more mud on Misty).
Encouraging these people to continue their accusations only gives them the advantage.
We do not and never will have the facts, statements or evidence that the State had when it made the decision in that case – because all of that is sealed. We can not and we should not re-try this case.
It should not even be discussed – any aspect of it – since it is a case involving a minor. It’s flat-out wrong and probably against the law (or should be).
Hello,
I am getting caught up here and I just needed to stop half way down the thread. I’m sort of in shock here, regarding this Juvenile/Case. I can understand the theory about the character/ethics of the complainants, but the rest I think is out of order. Whether this crime happened as they say or it was a trumped up charge… SHE WAS A MINOR… PERIOD!!!! It has NO bearing on the HERE and NOW.
I don’t think anyone needs that kind of proof to KNOW that LIARS are ABUNDANT in the Croslin household.
******To Me, All Rapes Are Brutal******
Since the facts are NOT ALL there…. how do you know that she didn’t scream, cause she was threatened/felt fear/in shocked.
The only other thing I will say about this is Misty sure in the hell aint laying low… Homeboy will be free one day… right???
Cent, I agree all rapes are brutal both physically and emotionally.
Yes, he will be released in about 3 years.
I hope we don’t hear his name again as a repeat
offender.
Mariesilk,
Your opinion is that RC is involved, can you give me a reason as to why you feel he hasn’t told the truth. I see him as a truly distressed father, a man that has lost one of his dearest, I just don’t see things the way you do and I’m trying to understand your theories.
Misty has had an extremly hard and cruel life……..her parents should be ashamed of themselves, but I doubt they even care.
Have LE finally questioned Johnny Sheffield? Does anyone know?
Treece,
@ 10:49…. I second that!!!!
Vaq @ 4:41…… I too noticed the “i”…… I think perhaps someone doesn’t want to get sued or be held liable for spreading “info”!!!
Example of M’s spelling
http://itsamysterytome.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/misty-cummings-takes-tests-on-own-recognizance.png
Jan, please take down link if it’s not appropriate.
Very good question, Noreen
Noreen:
I just have too many suspicious things from his side of this matter. Maybe he is just behaving in a manner that I can’t understand because I am not Ron. I couldn’t sit in front of a camera, smirking, and tell the world that the woman who has been caught numerous times changing details about her story the night my daughter went missing had actually not changed her story at all. He lied straight faced without batting an eye.
Why would he be so worried about his mobile home being tapped?
Why would PDM get police to guard TWO shift changes after notifying Ron that he was let go?
“I would give my life for my daughter’s life back”
ratgate
not cooperating with police in any and every way possible
saying he was not aware of the possibility that Misty could have left the mobile home Monday night, when he called Tommy that night because he DID think she was out of the home
My gut tells me this case is not what it seems and we have only glimpsed a very small portion of what LE has been slowly gathering.
I don’t think I know what happened to Haleigh, I for the life of me can’t think of what situation could possibly have resulted in this mess, but I think if Ron really came home from work and found the situation as him and Misty tell it, Misty wouldn’t have been so guarded by the whole Cummings clan. He never would have married her. It even seemed here and there that the Croslins tried to get Misty away from Ron.
I too consider the mother sometimes because there is definitely some suspicious behavior there as well. I just can’t see Crystal giving a shit enough to do something. I think they could just be taking advantage of the situation as it transpired.
But I do go back and forth. We won’t know until they find her. I hope and pray someone scooped her out of the situation with love in their heart and she is safe and well. I just believe the other is sadly, more likely.
Treece: @ 7:46 PM
“You or no other blogger has the right to make an informed decision about it. IT was a sealed case, you don’t have any right to be informed about it or have any info to discuss or decide!”
We have no right to the information but yourself and others do? You’ve made an informed decsion about it but we shouldn’t?
M2C @ 8:44 PM
“we have never “investigated” them to uncover their motives or demanded confirmation of their accusations in order to combat disinformation.”
Oh..I beg to differ. We, and that includes everyone, is constantly being asked to validate thier views or claims with verified info. This has been done since I joined here almost a year ago.
Treece @ 9:06 Pm
” think the lines about “innocent people being executed”, questioning the “drug charges” and questioning ” Misty dating Jeremy” was stirring it up not trying to stop false accusations.”
When I was discussing the Innocence Project it was due to the fact that SOMETIMES juries are wrong. I did not mean to imply that I particularily thought that JM, if he had faced a jury, would have been found guilty in error.
The questions asked about the drug charges were relevant to this case, IMO, due to the fact that M might have been using & abusing cocaine or pills since she was 13. To me THAT would be relevant to the here and now. I was also curious as to why he would face more time for a drug charge then RAPING a 13 yr old. To me that is ludicrist so I wanted to know what drug to understand that better. The questions about Misty “dating” jeremy after his arrest seemed relevant to their claims. If she had still been in contact with him it would show that she had no ill will towards him and IF that were the case, it just seemed off from what I had heard/read so far. Most of the posts I had made had nothing to do with that discussion, I’ve gone back to re-read. I posted some “gator” info Tobias and I discussed the other day. I posted links to various media about the case, I posted about the van and the dates involved. I only posted 2 posts asking questions about the JM claim, but now that is all anyone sees. I didn’t demand to know publicly what you or others knew, just that it seemed unfair that you know all about it and why? and others who also want same information, if for no other reason than to be able to whole-heartedly say “it’s NOT true!”, we should just drop it? OK
The reason I tried to differentiate the attack as statutory or brutal was because one is an actual rape while the other is just someone having sex with an underaged person. Statuatory does not have to be a forced situation. It could be consentual but since a minor has no legal right to consent it is still a crime. One involves physical force while the other may or may not. If M was 13 & he was nearing 17 he might have been charged with Statutory even though he was a minor. Nearing the 4 yr age gap.
I’m not saying this is the case, only the reason behind the questions. Obviously if there was a hospitalization involved, it was very bad and vicious. I do agree that a lack of screams being heard is not equal to a lack of a rape occurring. If a person is threatened with, bodily harm, or a weapon they often will not scream or even fight back. There are very few rapes that occur where a victim screamed prior or during the attack.
Now I’m tired of defending myself for asking a poster about information they were claiming to have and trying to get them to be specific about some things. Instead of trying to “sort” that type of thing out in the future, I’ll just ignore it.
Let those with the real info handle it, since they are in the Know and I am not.
All molestations and rapes of 13 year olds are brutal. A girl of 13 is not fully developed and would be torn apart, that’s brutal. Some children when being asulted go silent they leave their bodies to escape the horror there bodies are going through. How dare any one say it wasn’t brutal. Oh I gently raped her so it’s ok?!? Come On! She was 13 and underdeveloped. A child
haleigh is alive. i feel it and the sick basterds that took her more then likely search the web and read this. if you are out there reading this. i know you might be scared to drop her off somewhere because of cameras ect. but you must think of a way to get her into safety son think public crowded place like a base ball game or somthing ware a hat sunglasses glooves what ever and take her and drop her off. tell her when your gone to tell someone who she is. you dont need to harm her . what ever reason you took her. revenge money what ever . thats your buisness dont detroy a little girls life . her life is worth more then anything. and you have proved your point just let her go now. and that way you can still have a chance at a life for yourself. if you dont bring her back or harm her you will live with that for the rest of your life.you still have a chance to turn things around
hello treece and m2c♥, i made my post and left. although i was not mentioned, i believe i contributed to some of the upset. i don’t want to start up the issue again, however i really feel i need to clarify.
i have said directly to you treece , that i always appreciate that you do your best to try to keep the posts fair to misty. and i have seen m2c♥ make the same effort. misty being the last known adult to see haleigh before she went missing makes her a big focus because, basically, we do not have to many other facts. so it is easy to pile on or appear to pile on.
i wish i had better worded my post above. not to mention when i skimmed others posts i missed a few. i have not read any part of any report or case information that you and some of the others have read. (i did look for it.) i was wondering what happened to misty and under what circumstances. i did see j.m. on a ?prison? site. i don’t think it had details at all of what happened. and yes i agree protecting the victims is important.
i have read on this blog sometime ago others saying this is not the place to retry the j.m. case. i thought some explained that perfectly. i agree with that.
i also read at the same time that some believed the amount of time j.m. got for his crime indicates guilt and severity of the crime. i don’t believe that is how it works. i wish it did. i am under the impression that many times, length of time does not fit the actual severity of the crime. but, if i ruled the world, dangerous people would not get out.
i also believe that innocent people go to prison based on incorrect witness testimony, incorrect expert testimony, faulty evidence etc. i should not have made it sound like i was only questioning the merits of this particular case. i was trying to say i question the way we find people guilty using plea deals, and/or negotiations for less time based on what you have to give up. also, if a person can get more time for drugs than for brutally raping or assaulting someone or even killing someone, i wish we would re look at that. (yes, i understand, drugs kill too.) and yes, i do not have the answers myself on how to make the legal system work better.
treece, i was saying that having some basic facts, not the details would help some of us understand better if and how it could be relevant. some of us did not read any information on the case or have the benefit of knowing people involved.
treece, if you were told the truth, i wish j.m. would have been tried and hung by the jury. i know sometimes the prosecutors do plea deals to spare the victims of going through a trial.
i believe hollysgmom made herself clear that she was trying to work through all the possibilities. not saying that misty actually did do anything wrong. i believe her intentions were clear,, to clear up the question once and for all. i also believe she has been posting in a manner that she thought we would understand that was what she was doing. and she is not the one who is bringing the subject up. so i really don’t understand targeting her personally. she was not trying to distort facts, but, to clarify.
as far as “…for some reason some of you want to excuse him and blame her. Why do you want the horrid details of what all he did to torture and damage her?? ”
i did not read anyone doing that. maybe i missed it? i understand there is one poster confident that misty made false allegations. no one was looking for the horrid details. just wondering how whatever happened is relevant to this case. (also the fact that misty publicly made allegations against others. i was the one questioning those allegations. i really do believe it means something, whether they are true or false it could have a bearing on this case. is misty trying to tell the police something, divert attention from someone else or maybe she just needed to come up with an answer to help, which means she is guessing.) and i am saying this is my own thoughts.
i actually believe this had to have had a significant impact on misty, along with some of the other challenges she has had growing up. it would influence her choices and how she might react to various situations. including how she reacted to whatever happened that night.
i personally find people posting about how they know the facts, but, then do not tell us what the facts are confusing to the information out there. i realize some of haleigh’s case is really difficult to talk about.
as far as simon and jan and this blog, i think they want us to work out our differences ourselves. sometimes it must be a challenge to figure out when to remove our posts. particularly if someone is expressing their opinion.
i hope hollysgmom, simon and jan will not think i inappropriately spoke for them, just my take on the situation,
i know this is a very long post. i tried to make myself more clear. not something i have a easy time doing.
sincerely, ms.p.
ms p
I thank you for your post. I had hoped my “questions” about the claim had come across as just clarifying but had feared I was wrong when treece & m2c replied. I now can rest assured that not everyone saw those questions as wrong or an invasion of M’s privacy. I really did want to know why they were making that claim and what “evidence” they felt they had. I’m not the one who “put it out there” I just happened to be the one who started pressing for answers and happened to stick around for the fall out…notice how And the law says ducked out right away? without answering any questions at all. I almost feel “set-up”. It’s no secret that after the disagreement m2c and I had last week that treece PMed her with a “christmas gift”. One which she very happily thanked her for minutes later. Was it just a coincidence? I doubt it. Do I feel jumped on by both of them unfairly, yes. Does it matter? no
Once again thank you for letting me know that I am not crazy after all and the questions I had asked were in keeping with what I had claimed.
Good Morning, Ms. P!
I’d like to clarify a couple of things too in the interests of smoothing things over.
(1) I do not believe there is any way to
“clear up the question once and for all” because this is a sealed court case involving a minor. No matter what “info,” claims or statements are found now, we’d never know the full story because we don’t know what the state knew at the time.
(2) I do not know anything more about it than has been said on this thread and I wish that I did not know that. I don’t believe I have the right to know this – morally or legally.
(3) If this was a court case the prosecution would be prevented from opening a sealed juvenile case to use as evidence (at least in most cases in most states that I know of). So it sure isn’t OUR right to try to re-open, re-investigate or re-try it.
(4) For those wanting info about the character of Misty and her family, there is PLENTY of current information from which people can form their opinions.
(5)If someone wants to play amateur psychiatrist and delve into a person’s childhood issues to figure out why they are the way they are as an adult – well, it just can’t be done in a fair manner in this situation because all the info is not and never will be available to us.
HGm- I am appalled that you would reduce such a serious issue to an accusation of “a conspiracy against you” by Treece and me. (LOL!) Sorry to disappoint.
I spoke independently from my heart and mind as I’m sure Treece, Crystalkdreams, mariesilk and others did.
When this topic of Misty’s childhood experience and JM was brought up the first time I responded exactly the same way as I did this time – and that was long before I ever saw your name on this blog.
I am Extremely concerned about your tendency to make things personal – to drop the actual topic of the debate and accuse or attack on a personal level.
Apparently you also do the reverse – and take things personally when they are not intended that way.
IMO that approach is not positive or productive. It’s harmful to yourself and to others.
And it’s very very harmful to open debate. In fact, nothing works better to shut people up – to make them afraid to speak their opinion.
treece said,in December 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
“This is perverted, it is wrong. I would be ready not only to file charges against but beat the hell out of anyone doing this to my daughter. We act like we are such a loving, caring group on this blog all for the “right” all for Haleigh, but we justify this nonsense in the name of being informed?? in the name of helping?? in the name of caring?? ”
If that isn’t a direct attack then I’ll eat my hat!
m2c♥ said,in December 31st, 2009 at 6:25 am
“HGm- I am appalled that you would reduce such a serious issue to an accusation of “a conspiracy against you” by Treece and me. (LOL!) Sorry to disappoint.”
“(5)If someone wants to play amateur psychiatrist and delve into a person’s childhood issues to figure out why they are the way they are as an adult – well, it just can’t be done in a fair manner in this situation because all the info is not and never will be available to us.”
Another comment directed at me for my personal views that I hold about Misty and her possible PTSD issues.
No….those aren’t direct attacks….unh unh
“I am Extremely concerned about your tendency to make things personal – to drop the actual topic of the debate and accuse or attack on a personal level. (Yet others seem to take notice as well and come to my defense…strange)
Apparently you also do the reverse – and take things personally when they are not intended that way.
IMO that approach is not positive or productive. It’s harmful to yourself and to others.
And it’s very very harmful to open debate. In fact, nothing works better to shut people up – to make them afraid to speak their opinion.”
Yes, much like screaming at someone that they are wrong for asking a question or trying to find the truth about a matter. Also like trying to convince someone that they are irrational and paranoid….I’m not….I just know where I stand with some people. While I do respect your and others feelings about that situation being a private matter and not up for debate, I do think that one should have the right to research it for themselves, either way they feel about it. I find your tactics deplorable. I will be doing some homework, just for myself, so that if it ever comes up I have the data to back up my claims of personal attacks. I have not been the only person to notice it.
Please remember that someone else brought up this subject and others agreed with him/her and you, and others have also stated interest in Misty’s personal background. You are not the only one. I don’t see why you think all of this is directed at you personally.
As I said, I stated the same opinions on this topic to a different group of people long ago. My opinions on this topic have nothing to do with you personally.
But I see that you are sticking to the personal attack accusation. And going as far as announcing that you are going to work hard to pursue it – to pursue and harrass me. And once again you have threatened me.
All because I disagreed with a position on this issue.
I am sorry to see that you are taking time away from your interest in Haleigh to come after me – which you threatened to do before so I’m not surprised.
I guess you were surprised that I dared speak up again after your first threats with an opinion that differed from yours.
This kind of thing can destroy a blog and I won’t participate in it. But I will not be silenced, HGm, by any of your threats. I will speak my mind about this case whether it agrees or disagrees with your opinion. That is NOT the issue and it is not important to me.
This blog is about Haleigh. It is not a popularity contest. It is not a contest to see who is “right” most of the time. It is not a contest to BE right all of the time. It is NOT a place for individuals to fight on a personal level. And disagreeing with an issue related to Haleigh is NOT personal.
I would do anything to keep BNN from being reduced to that kind of blog. But you only give me three choices: 1) agree with you all the time (or keep quiet) (2) allow you to continue to attack me on a personal level or (3) for me to leave the blog.
I may not be able to comply with #1 if I’m to tell the truth or participate like others do here. (2) If you want a fight it will be one-sided because I have no intention of lowering myself to that level or engaging in such a “battle.” and (3) I ain’t quitting BNN.
Msperidot19, thank you for wanting to clarify your previous post – no offense taken –
Misty’s rape 5 years ago has no bearing on this case. It was a private, closed case, sealed by the judge, not for public knowledge or scrutiny.
Thanks, Treece
OK by me….I did not threaten you. I said that I felt like I should go back to look to see if how I feel about being attacked is correct or not. Then, if I do feel I am correct, I will have a record of posts that made me feel that way. Is that so wrong? Is that a personal threat to you? I forget that I must spell everything out or be called on the carpet for it if I don’t.
I too feel like I’m being pushed to shut up, leave, or battle. Why don’t we go back to what Jan asked of us. Do not call me out on anything. If you feel that I am being unfair ask Jan about it. I’ve found her to be extremely fair and unbiased per member/poster.
I hardly ever direct my posts to certain people and usually will only do so to make multiple replies in one post.
Sometimes I, or others, make mistakes, mis-speak, or cross lines. It probably isn’t done because we are terrible awful people. Mostly just human error. It happens. Can’t we try to recognize that and move forward? I’ll try if you will.
I don’t want you or anyone else to quit BNN. I have only had hopes of helping to make our numbers grow. Guess I might not be doing so hot in that department, but I’m not the only one. No I do not insist that anyone/everyone agrees with me, I do however insist that we treat each other with repect no matter what someone says, feels, or thinks. It’s for each of us to decide how we feel about all of this that is discussed here and elsewhere.
I do not feel that there is or should be a popularity contest either. I just stated a fact. Other people have said to me, either in writing or over the phone, that they also feel that you single me out unfairly at times. I only staed it to show that I am not the only person who percieve it so.
I’m going to go do some other stuff…been promising an update article for Marc Anthony Bookal, Hasanni Campbell, & Adji Desir. I think now is a good time to take a break and go do that.
treece said @ 9:14 am
“Misty’s rape 5 years ago has no bearing on this case. It was a private, closed case, sealed by the judge, not for public knowledge or scrutiny.”
Why didn’t you say that to begin with? It says it all so simply yet emphatically.
Noreen, I appreciate your heart and attitude. I do not claim to know what happened to Haleigh but I too see Ron as a broken father.
Mariesilk, even though I do not see Ron as a smirker and don’t interpret his behaviors like you do I like the fact that you keep an open mind about this. I have not always done that with this case and wish I had. But I will give you my opinion of some possibilities to some of your questions or concerns.
I have said before I have some relatives that live a similar life style as maybe Ron was in and the Croslins definitely live. Just that life style alone would freak them out if they thought their home was tapped. They have a totally different thinking of LE as we do, they all live paranoid of LE.
PDM getting guards for shift change was just good wisdom to me, regardless of Ron’s personal behavior. Ron is young, maybe hot headed, is going through any parents worse nightmare, PDM doesn’t know how he is handling life much less how he will handle their choice concerning him. Just as a precaution that was a wise move, imo.
ratgate – I have my doubts about that because our info came for Tim M after he got mad at Ron and was telling all kinds of tales.
I base that too on my relatives that I know how they act. They may have done it, but IF they did they would have NEVER told Tim M or anyone else. They would NOT admit it. They would lie about it until the cows came home, it was proven they did it and they would still deny it. This is just food for thought that could be totally wrong. I don’t know WHO harmed Haleigh, I just think some things that look weird to “straight” people are normal behavior for one’s in or around the drug scene.
Thanks and hope you have a good day. Treece
HGm – I did not direct any posts on that subject to you. My posts were directed to all those of the opposing view point.
The first post that I did direct to you at 6:48 am this morning was in response to the accusations you made against me and Treece in your 6:14 am post.
Do you expect me to take particular care in my wording of every post to be sure that you will know that it is NOT directed at you personally? Do I have to study your posts to be sure that what I write does not reflect more on you in some way than on others so that you will not feel “called out”? Do I have to review my comments to try to see what you will decide to take personally? Even though what I’ve said pertains to others as well as you?
I certainly hope that you are not trying to prevent me from blogging with others as well as speaking to you directly.
It’s obvious that you are looking for excuses to claim that I’m attacking you. You are looking to create trouble with me personally and have been for some time. You claim such wide support and then say it’s NOT a popularity contest? And then you begrudge me a Christmas wish from a fellow blogger. Did you mention paranoid? Please remember you were the first to mention it.
IMO this is another example of you making a conversation about Haleigh all about YOU!
If you want to discuss this further please PM me so this doesn’t pollute the blog anymore than it has. But I can’t promise to reply. Attack me all you want anywhere. I don’t care. Mostly because I’m blogging about ideas and issues which includes disagreeing with people sometimes.
When we agree with someone it does not mean we are crowning them “Queen of the May.” And when we disagree it does not mean we think they are horrible people. Most people on this blog understand that and know how to discuss things.
Hollysgmom, I wish you could step back and look at this objectively, I am sorry for you, that you can’t.
Your 6:14 post referring to me PMing M2c is so childish. You feel “set up”, “jumped on”, unfairly. Believe me I am way too direct to play those games. My PM to m2c was to encourage her, not bad mouth you. I also think m2c is straight forward, stands by what she believes and would never lower herself to games. She & I have disagreed on a number of discussions before and ended it as adults, agreeing to disagree. You seem to know how to hack everyone’s personal info, go ahead and hack my PM’s and you will see they weren’t a conspiracy against you.
You are offended from this little blog battle but don’t think Misty’s privacy is of any value, even as a 13 year old victim of sexual crime. What about her feelings or offense??
I know I am wasting my time right now. So I will say how I felt last night, I feel this morning. I will die believing this is WRONG!!!
In spite of that I am sorry for losing my temper with you. I should have cooled off before I addressed the situation. I will not be
wasting my time or yours to continue this discussion. Treece
mariesilk said,in December 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
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I hope LE took note of that giant red flag waving around. Only the guilty parties have anything to fear by LE hearing what they have to say. And it was Nay Nay who Misty didn’t want to have the conversation with on the phone, so what was she worried about Nay Nay saying on the phone?
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I just read this post so it may have been addressed already. IIRC Nay Nay said that on the video interview with AH. AH was reportedly paid to make Crystal look like a loving, caring parent who wanted custody. Did AH sway Nay Nay to say that? I don’t recall RC or MC saying anything about the house or phones being bugged. If they did, please point me in the direction where I can find the information.
OK Since I agree it is possible that I was wrong in feeling the way I did, I have decided to make one of my New Years Resolutions to be to try to be more objective. To try not to take things so personally. To try to voice my opinions & theories within the consensus of respectible bounds. To continue to work on my self, my attitudes, and actions daily.
I am sorry that others feel that I am or have been “out of line”. I haven’t done anything to hurt anyone here. I haven’t “hacked” anybody. I only mentioned that I knew some stuff. I only know others personal info that they themselves have given me. I have not bad mouthed anyone from this site, here or elsewhere. I truely love it here and want to get along with everyone. I have decided to spend more time writing and less time commenting. I don’t think that I’m all that unreasonable. I have often appologized for mistakes or offenses. I’m only writing this because I would like EVERYONE to know that I know that I sometimes mess up and that I do care about people in general, Misty included. I really do take what you guys say to heart. I don’t just blow it off. I do think about stuff, weigh it out, and try to see the other person’s point of view.
And the Law says…. said,in December 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
HollysGmom you won’t find much online because the case involved a minor. However you can pay to get the information from the paper that covered it at the time. It is in their archives.
There is also some information that you can get on the case from the court records themselves. But the best source of information comes from either Jeremy himself, or the neighbors that lived less than 8 feet from Lisa and Misti at the time.
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I read the court records. Why did he get 8 years 2 months when he took a plea? In Feb. he will be incarcerated 4 years. I am not going to write to Jeremy Miller. I am not going to buy the archived article. He pled guilty. He still got over 8 years.
This information is available at flaglercounty dot com.
Miller, Jeremy D
02/13/2006 CLOSED CASE
02/13/2006 COMMITMENT ORDER
02/07/2006 SCORESHEET
02/07/2006 OR BK 1690 PG 1844-1848
02/07/2006 SENTENCE
02/07/2006 OR BK 1690 PG 1844-1848
02/07/2006 JUDGMENT AND FINGERPRINTS
02/07/2006 -DEF/ATTY ADJ/G 98 MTHS D/C SENTENCED AS SEXUAL OFFENDER
02/07/2006 COURT ACTION FORM
02/07/2006 PRISON FOR 8 YRS 2 MOS – CNT 1
02/07/2006 GUILTY 1
02/07/2006 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL 1
02/07/2006 DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE 1
Vaquera said,in December 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Native Alien/Missing Meds/the law says you’ve been posting the same crap about Misty’s brutal rape for months on every board that will allow it. So what if you talked to Jeremy Miller and who cares what he has to say. The SA and the cops didn’t send his ass away for nothing.
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TY Vaquera, I replyed to “the law” before I read this.
Holly GMA, Sorry I brought up the Misty and J Miller case, as you can see it for some reason makes people nutz. If J Miller took a plea there would be no court records. Other people were also on the witness list besides Misty.
Misty is not named as the defendant only as a witness through her mother. If you look there was also a Collins on the list and she also had a restraining order on both J Miller and his father. We do not know who or what happened
in this case. I just wondered if she had been babysitting during this offense. Ron could have been arrested for exactly the same offense,statitory rape is considered lude and lasivious acts on a minor. That is not the same as rape. A brutal rape would involve a battery charge also. jmo
Hello everyone…..this blog is not about any of us. It is about Haleigh. If someone disagrees, it is not a personal attack. If someone agrees, it is not an alliance. We are not here to make friends and enemies. We come together to discuss Haleigh….nothing more.
There is an update!!! Check the main page for Simon/Jan’s newest article
Ron & Misty Have Problems With The Law
Go now!
This case just proves that she is used to dealing with law enforcement and the courts.
It also puts a light on when her drug problems began. And I find the Croslin that never gets into trouble Timmy to be the most puzzleing, he never shows up on any news event or vigil.
Its almost like he is invisible. The only time he gets mentioned is for calling Misty too much while she is at Rons. jmo
I am sure this is so, but so…????? Sheds nothing on Haleigh’s disappearance.
Why is Timmy’s behavior puzzleing? I would publically distant myself from this clan as well.
And the Law says…. said,in December 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Vaquera said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
It’s funny you spell Misty- Misti at every place I’ve seen that same stuff posted. I will stand by what I’ve said.
Funny that is the way that she spells it so that must mean that I am Misti too.
mariesilk, not in the case of a missing child when the person that last saw her and last had custody of a missing child has been lying for years to law enforcement.
To me it all goes to the creditability issue of the that person and in this case, the child that is missing is far more important than the person that has lied.
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And the Law says…. said,in December 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pm Vaquera said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
It’s funny you spell Misty- Misti at every place I’ve seen that same stuff posted. I will stand by what I’ve said.
Funny that is the way that she spells it so that must mean that I am Misti too.
mariesilk, not in the case of a missing child when the person that last saw her and last had custody of a missing child has been lying for years to law enforcement.
To me it all goes to the creditability issue of the that person and in this case, the child that is missing is far more important than the person that has lied.
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And the Law says…. said,in December 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pm Vaquera said,
in December 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
It’s funny you spell Misty- Misti at every place I’ve seen that same stuff posted. I will stand by what I’ve said.
Funny that is the way that she spells it so that must mean that I am Misti too.
mariesilk, not in the case of a missing child when the person that last saw her and last had custody of a missing child has been lying for years to law enforcement.
To me it all goes to the creditability issue of the that person and in this case, the child that is missing is far more important than the person that has lied.
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If you have looked at the Petition for Disolution of Marriage you would see the courts spell Misty with a Y not an I. Misty also signed her name with a Y. You can find a link to the document here.
http://www.websleuths dot com/forums/showpost.php?p=4301479&postcount=848
Bonanza;
True, I can see where one would want to distance ones self from that chaos factory. However, they all were going to move up there to where he & his wife & kids live in Massachusettes (?) Can you image what his life would be like right now had they not been arrested and rearrested, preventing them from moving there? It is, however, unusual that he has never appeared on camera, don’t you think? Ever? Maybe, maybe not. There’s probably hundreds of reasons not to be and no good reason to be (on camera).
From mariesilk
Why would he be so worried about his mobile home being tapped?
Why would PDM get police to guard TWO shift changes after notifying Ron that he was let go?
“I would give my life for my daughter’s life back”
ratgate
not cooperating with police in any and every way possible
saying he was not aware of the possibility that Misty could have left the mobile home Monday night, when he called Tommy that night because he DID think she was out of the home
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Who said he was worried about his mobile home being tapped? They weren’t allowed back in it when the police arrived. If you are talking about their phones the FBI took them for a while and this was after Misty talked to Nay Nay and plus all this was posted on Art Harris, right? The paid media consultant, so I take what he says with a big grain of salt.
Ratgate? You mean the one Tommy put in his own mailbox,that’s my opinion. Ron was never charged with that and it’s a non issue and his white pickup was not running at the time so that lady didn’t see that pickup putting anything in the mailbox.
How do you know he didn’t cooperative with the police?
How do you know that Ronald didn’t think Misty was not at home? Just because she didn’t answer the phone doesnt mean she wasn’t home. If I don’t answer my phone doesn’t mean I am not home. I doubt he sent Tommy over to that mobile home. We don’t know the conversation that took place or what he asked Tommy. All we have is the thief/pill head Tommy’s word on why he went there. I don’t know how Misty would have gone anywhere since she didn’t have a vehicle and no one has come forward in 11 months and put her anywhere besides that mobile home.
How do we know the truck was not running at that time?
Have you noticed how crazy both Ron & Croslin Co act? I mean supposed gun threats. I believe the newest one. I find it difficult to believe that Charles Jones could perfectly describe a gun that was never there, but was at Ron’s residence locked up in a gun cabinet? Does that make sense to anyone? How did C Jones know what Ron’s gun looked like? Exact size, color, and style?
As far as I know Ron has a 9 MM Beretta and not some palm sized pea shooter. That’s where it’s been since DCF went to check on them after Tim Miller said the crap he did. Ron doesnt have an assault rifle either, he had a hunting rifle.
It was not running because I was told it was not running by family and someone that was there at Gma Sykes house. I can’t remember who it was now, but it was around the time of the balloon release for Haleigh’s birthday which was after ratgate and the PU was in no way shape or form drivable. In fact there’s a picture floating around somewhere of the grass and how high it had grown up around the tires of the truck.
Have you checked out the rap sheets for the senior and jr. Charles Jones??
Do I believe Charles Jones, nope I don’t and I guess all the rumors of Misty dating Charles is just a big lie someone started, even Charles girlfriend said it was BS.
Sounds more like he saw a cell phone in Ron’s hand and not some little gun.
Hollysgma,
No, I dont find it unusual that Timmy does not go before a camera. Why would he? He has no information pertaining to Haleigh. He does not seem to want his 15 minutes of fame (that is a good thing). As for showing up at vigils…he lives in another state, does not seem to have a lot of money for travel, and what good would it do?
Vaq:
valid points all around. There are many ways to look at this scenario with the tiny crumbs of evidence we have.
NG does specifically ask Ron if he was aware of the notion that Misty MAY not have been home that Monday night. Ron answers that ‘if it was a possibility, I was not aware of it’
But he admitted he called Tommy that night to see if Misty was there. So he obviously WAS aware as early as 9:30 Monday night that Misty MAY have left the MH. I never said just because her phone was off she was gone, just that he had considered she may have left at some point that night.
I honestly believe that the phone being turned off is just very typical 17 year old behavior to avoid confrontation. We all heard how RC addresses her when he is angry. I also think this is why he never felt it too urgent to rush home right away, as this was a common thing for Misty to do when they were fighting.
If you go back and re-watch some of the earlier interviews with Ron, he changes his story too. But more interestingly, he often interrupts Misty to ‘edit’ her story or clarify the details. (how close they were sleeping) Something about that just doesn’t sit right with me.
Hollys Gmom said,in December 31st, 2009 at 12:44 pm
“Maybe, maybe not. There’s probably hundreds of reasons not to be and no good reason to be (on camera).”
I pretty much agree. I only am unsure of whether Timmy lived in or near Satsum/Palatka when Haleigh went missing and IF he did, why wouldn’t he have been seen at all very early on, like first couple of days. If he was out of town/out of state, that would definately explain it.
He lived in Cresent City, they had Tommy’s van the night Haleigh disappeared
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