Comments on: Reporter’s Notes: The Haleigh Cummings Updates?

By: Tobias

Tobias — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:54:16 +0000

Also it never gets explained why Mistys blanket is in the van they took? Why would it be in the van? Does anyone know why? The van was at Chelsea and Tims house, how did her blanket get in the van and when? It is also said that LE was going back several weeks before this happened, what do they know about those weeks? And evidence was found very early on that we dont know anything about. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:45:48 +0000

I wonder about the phone call to Tommy from Ron and why PCSO didnt ask Ron if he called there that night and who answered the phone?
And why it took Tommy getting arrested to get the truth out about that call? Were they hoping to get more out of him? Did they think Misty answered that call at Tommys house? That she left the MH and was at that MH instead of being with Haleigh and Junior? I am sure Ron would have told them he called Tommy as soon as he had to set up a time line. Unless PCSO didnt want Tommy to know they knew about the phone call. I beleive they know who is involved but lack enough evidence to convict. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:31:48 +0000

Dusty, That is my point on how good a liar Misty is she was raised by these people and has had 18 years to hone her lying skills, she is smart in those reguards. Many people have said she is uneducated and couldnt fool the police, but I say she is way advanced in criminal activity and how to lie her way out of trouble. I also believe she is really good a the scam games her parents have done in the past.Out of her own mouth “THATS HOW MY FAMILY IS”.The apple doesnt fall from the tree. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:20:58 +0000

Has anyone heard anything about the Croslin kids? Has child services done anything to protect them from these parents and grandparents that are surely drug addicts and theives? What are they waiting for another tragidy? jmo

By: DustyRose

DustyRose — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:57:15 +0000

There are many questions to be answered regarding this account by Tommy, why did the Police not charge both Tommy and his wife with obstruction and maybe more? They certainly had the grounds considering they lied for seven months they were both questioned several times by Police in that time frame there for they lied and that is obstruction. Why did the Police fail to bring Lindsay in and keep her separated from her husband “Tommy” while he was giving his big account of events? Why did they not drill her while her husband was in another room? I bet the answers would of been different and Police know it. They have not charged them or carry out the opportunity that way because it may have presented or present to them a different out come than the one they wanted to hear. They became so engulfed in being right about Misty and hanging Misty they forgot to do right by Haleigh and seek the truth even if it did not present what they were so focused on. They became focused on Misty and forgot Haleigh. Ronald Cummings and his family have every right to be very concerned about this department. It is unfortunate that Crystal Sheffield did not and tends not to stop and sink her teeth into questions that need to be asked in stead of just jumping on the band wagon of Misty jump on the band wagon of Justice for Haleigh it’s unfortunate she is taken so easily by gossip.

Here are some facts; proof in the pudding to sort of speak

Tommy Croslin and his Mother went to a neighbour a blind man there they stole a gun and cheques. Several days or weeks later Hank SR Croslin or Tommy’s mother “there are conflicting stories on that” went to Tommy Croslin’s home retrieved the gun and returned it to the blind neighbour only when he threatened to go to the Police. What is fact about that? The fact that is evident in that is this families ability to lie and cover up. Either Lindsay Croslin knew the gun was there and knew how her husband got the gun and cooperated in hiding it and keeping it which means by fact she helped her husband lie and cover up a crime. Scenario 2 Lindsay Croslin did not know it was there and her husband lied about it and lied about where he was when he was stealing the gun if it is this scenario then obviously he did not tell her he was out at the neighbours stealing a gun. What is the fact in that? Fact is he will commit a crime lie about his where abouts to his wife and conceal evidence from that crime in his own home even if it places his children at risk. It has to be one way or the other she knew or she did not either way their behaviour speaks volumes they speak facts in what they do. Hank SR and his wife fled to Tennessee for a while prior to doing so Hank SRS wife cashed a cheque one stolen from the blind neighbour and cashed it fraudulently there are two possibilities that happened here either Hank’s wife took the cheques with out letting Hank know and cashed it with out letting him know. In order to that she had to lie to her husband about where she was when she actually took the cheques, where she was when she cashed the cheques and how she suddenly came up with the extra cash. In that scenario what it means is that Tommy’s mother will assist and participate in crimes with her son lie to family and her husband out it and conceal it from Police. 2 Scenario is Hank knew the cheques were stolen from the blind neighbour he knew it when he returned the gun and did not offer the cheques because they had not been caught with them. He participated with his wife in cashing it and concealing the crime. That behaviour to me speaks volumes based on the actual behaviour of these people the actual character of them. Proof is in the pudding for me!
God bless Haleigh and all her families

By: Hollys Gmom

Hollys Gmom — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:18:52 +0000

I don’t understand Crystal much. Maybe she had post-partum depression that was never treated, or a borderline thyroid condition undiagnosed, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? I don’t know…but when she tells the court that she couldn’t get out of bed…I think that should have been evaluated. Maybe we need to assess these parents to see if there is a medical reason they are not complying….She might have still orcastrated an abduction, maybe partially for CS reasons, but I think more-so about making R & M look bad and getting custody of both Haleigh & Jr. IMO It’s still a possiblity. I discuss this some in my series, as to what might have happened & why. Not so much who, but more-so a reason it was done & who would have the most to gain by it. also JMO

By: Hollys Gmom

Hollys Gmom — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:11:03 +0000

cent said,in December 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

LOL, I so know what you mean, Tiger & her cub(s). Me too…it now exstends to the Grand Baby. I tell my friends & family that when I had my children I didn’t think I could ever love anyone more…then along came Holly. I now tell people that I love my daughter…but I’ll hurt her over that baby!?! It’s carzy but true, lol

By: Hollys Gmom

Hollys Gmom — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:05:04 +0000

treece said,in December 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

I agree that it still could have been Crystal, just that it was so unecissary for the situatio. Even if she went to court that next morning all she had to do was show up with some cash!!Her mom, dad, uncle, cousin, boyfriend, any of them could have given her some money to pay and she would have been ok. The court doesn’t care who’s money it is, just that it gets paid. Jail would then be off the table, by law I think. They have to give them more time to pay up. Once in jail they can’t pay, so it is a very last resort.

By: Hollys Gmom

Hollys Gmom — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:58:56 +0000

treece;

“treece said,in December 27th, 2009 at 9:10 pm Hollysgmom, thanks for the info on how that cs thing works. If I understood it right when Kim P was working on it Crystal had already passed all her warnings and been served to appear in court for I thought what was going to be sentencing because she had ignored all the states warnings. She had never ever paid one penny since the divorce.”
Yes, it is my understanding that Crystal had let it go that far, however, she would not have been threatened with jail time if she had paid ANY money. They would have seen it as a Good Faith type payment and would have taken jail out of the equation immediately. Maybe Crystal didn’t know that. Maybe she thought she had to pay it all or else so she froze up about what to do, feeling it was impossible & insurmountable. I doubt it though. Someone surely had told her about a dead-beat dad and how they had “slipped by again”. God, knows I’ve heard it enough. Dead beat moms too…

By: Hollys Gmom

Hollys Gmom — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:48:23 +0000

Tobias: You ask some very good questions, so I thought I’d give you the answers, as has been in my own or witnessed experiences.

Tobias said,in December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am Crystal would still have to pay child support on Haliegh until she is proven deceased. She also would have to pay for Junior.Also I thought child support was based on your income?

Yes, it is based on your income, however, the least amount an “absentee” parent is obligated to pay is $200.00, if there are 2 children to pay for they increase by 1/2 - 2/3 the initial amount. SO, Crystal should have been abligated to between $200.00 and up to $400.00 per month whether she had an income or not. The child still has to have clothes, eat, dentist, etc So it would be up to Crystal to make sure it got paid, however. Some women luck up on a guy with some money and get him to “help” her out, then latter with thier new found stability they try to take the kid(s).

Which Crystal doesnt have.Also now that the State knows Ron could possibly be Jordans bio dad are they going to make him pay child support?

Absolutely! Very very soon now the State will be testing Jordan, his Mommy, and up to 5 different men as per DNA in an effort to locate the “culpable” party. UH, somome’s gonna pay, might be Ron, might not. Children are usually just turning 2 when thier tests come up. The absentee parent must back-pay once
paternity has been established.

They should because Jordan is being taken care of by the State. (They will)
I dont believe the parents had anything to do with Halieghs dissappearence. I believe it was Misty and Tommy and possibly Joe. I dont believe it was intentional but it happened and they are lying about what happened that night.
Everything points to them, the van, Tommy going to the MH twice that day, he was the only one with opportunity to open the door,Joe has motive because of the fight over the gun, Misty is just covering because she is involved after the fact and will go to jail for abetting in a crime. jmo
Tobias I totally agree with the last part. Everything seems to point in that direction, not to mention TC has seemed to be in self-destruct mode ever since….:(

By: cent

cent — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:34:58 +0000

Tobias,

I have to agree about being arrested. When it comes to my son’s safety and well-being, I’ve got a bit of a reputation at all the schools he has attended, not to mention hospitals. My family calls me Mommy Fierce. Not flattering… but I’ll keep it.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:18:55 +0000

News out of Palatka there was a robbery of 1300 oxicodone on Sunday by a presumed armed may in a nissan pathfinder. This place is really crazy. Would be great if its you know who, hmmm. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:11:18 +0000

I have to say the parents sure are doing better than I would be. I would have probably been arrested several times by now. My patience is not my best virtue and if I had any suspitions it would take an army to stop me. jmo

By: cent

cent — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:58:48 +0000

I checked for updates over the weekend and didn’t see any. You’re right about the parents, it has to be torture for them both. I do wish that the case gets resolved asap.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:47:39 +0000

Does anyone know what happened to the offer from the Laura Foundation? Also any news about FBI involvement? Did this all just dry up and go away? Why? Is the forestry guy still doing his own searches on his property close to the MH? There seems to be little to no news about ANYONE DOING ANYTHING. JMO

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:41:53 +0000

I think both parents are not involved in her disappearence. I am really sorry for them and this must be the worst prolonged torture imaginable and PCSO needs to get this solved for them ASAP. JMO

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:27 +0000

Cent, I agree. Crystal got out of the child support but Ron received the money he was owed in back child support. So in the end Crystal really would have gained nothing. jmo

By: treece

treece — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:36:37 +0000

Tobias, you are so right, we definitely agree that we want Haleigh found asap. Have a good afternoon. Treece

By: cent

cent — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:33:58 +0000

Although every scenario must be looked at. I just don’t see the Crystal angle. I do see that things have changed for her, but I see those changes as being just a result of. And in fairness, there were “perks” for Ron, also.
I know someone will come along and dispute the above, and that’s fine. ‘Cause I really DO NOT like speaking of these parents in this light, but it’s reality.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:30:07 +0000

Treece, You are intitled to your opinion , but so am I. We can agree to disagree on this I am sure. We both want the same outcome, to find Haleigh.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:27:09 +0000

I also believe LE knows exactly what happened and they will get the people involved as soon as they have enough evidence to convict them.
If you follow the news from the area they deal with alot of murders down there, they know what they are doing. I just wished they would hurry this up and give Haleighs family the answers they deserve. jmo

By: treece

treece — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:23:59 +0000

I didn’t say Crystal did this, I said it is a possibility. You keep hammering “it’s Misty” and there is no proof of that either, it is just a possibility. JMO but I am agreeing to disagree, we just about talked this one in the ground.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:14:58 +0000

I do not know Crystal personally and live very far from the area, but to say she had something to do with this based on child support just doesnt fly with me. In my opinion Crystal was okay with the situation for four years and to all of a sudden change her mind and have Haliegh abducted is far fetched. She in my opinion had moved on with her life and even had Cloe , she just didnt seem to interested in Haliegh except on the visitation weekends. She wasnt that involved in Haleighs life or Juniors and to say she would abduct her to get out of a court date is just too much of a stretch for me, sorry. She could have paid off her child support a little at a time so it really is a mute topic.
I think Crystal is guilty but just guilty for not being a good mother, not for abducting Haleigh. And there are alot of men who are bad fathers too. jmo

By: treece

treece — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:26:28 +0000

Tobias, I think your theory is one of many possibilities of what happened that night. I am also not saying that Crystal is responsible but it is one of the possibilities. A fact is that Haleigh’s disappearance DID change things for Crystal. She did NOT have to appear in court the following day, it was canceled due to Haleigh being missing. Also, “someone” paid $12,000 on Crystal’s back child support so I would say that changed ALOT for her. I am not saying she did this, I am saying you can’t rule it out as one possibility. You must be personal with her because everything you say is always on her defense. I am just trying to say there are many possibilities and Crystal is one of them. She definitely had something to gain.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:43:02 +0000

I have also been wondering what the fight between Misty and Amber was about. If Misty was no longer going with Ron why fight with Amber? Did anyone ever say what exactly happened to start the fight? I would really like to hear why they fought. Its odd that NayNay tells all in her interveiw with Cobra but doesnt get into that part of the weekend. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:36:36 +0000

Crystal would still have to pay child support on Haliegh until she is proven deceased. She also would have to pay for Junior.Also I thought child support was based on your income?
Which Crystal doesnt have.Also now that the State knows Ron could possibly be Jordans bio dad are they going to make him pay child support? They should because Jordan is being taken care of by the State.
I dont believe the parents had anything to do with Halieghs dissappearence. I believe it was Misty and Tommy and possibly Joe. I dont believe it was intentional but it happened and they are lying about what happened that night.
Everything points to them, the van, Tommy going to the MH twice that day, he was the only one with opportunity to open the door,Joe has motive because of the fight over the gun, Misty is just covering because she is involved after the fact and will go to jail for abetting in a crime. jmo

By: cent

cent — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:30:10 +0000

I do believe too that no matter what, Crystal should have been doing what she could for her children, just like anyone else. I do find it funny that one of the reason “reported” as to why she lost custody was lack of medical coverage!!! How many people living the life that they are, actually have major coverage besides something that is state funded?

By: treece

treece — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:10:45 +0000

Hollysgmom, thanks for the info on how that cs thing works. If I understood it right when Kim P was working on it Crystal had already passed all her warnings and been served to appear in court for I thought what was going to be sentencing because she had ignored all the states warnings. She had never ever paid one penny since the divorce. You are right only a deadbeat mom would be in that position. No matter what her problems were in 3 or 4 years she could have paid something. JMO Treece

By: HollysGmom

HollysGmom — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:56:02 +0000

What bothers me about the “Sheffield” abduction theory being about monies owed to the state is this: if she had paid even $50.00, one time, they would have had to start over the “time period” since a payment had been made. I’ve seen it several times. Relatives have asked me to accompany them to Child Support court with thier ex. The female being the custodial parent in all of the cases I witnessed. The male goes to court, sometimes up to 3 different times before jailed. Then, if he makes a payment of at least $50.00, then jail is off and a payment schedule is agreed to. It takes another 3 months to drag the deadbeat back into court because he decided after initial or a couple of payments to stop paying again. I know a man who went 14 yrs without paying a dime…no jail time, no drivers license lost, no real problems ever. The only reason he was able to do so was because the mother never had to apply for state assistance. If and when a parent applies for Medicaid (pretty sure Haleigh would have been), food stamps, or AFDC (Aid For Dependant Childen) they MUST provide all info on the absentee parent or be denied.
So, if Crystal had paid any money at all, she would not have been facing jail time. She would not have had to abduct Haleigh to clear this up. Child Support Enforcement personell really do try to give people ever opportunity to pay up. They know that once a parent is incarerated, they definately can’t pay so jail is the very last option to get a parent to comply. Ron would not have to “push” the issue either. Haleigh’s TS & Ronald’s lack of financial stability would mean Haleigh was on Medicaid. That is the exact reason Crystal was being persued for CS. Ronald might not mind her being a deadbeat mom, but the state of FL sure does.

By: cent

cent — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:05:37 +0000

Okay, now I must ask this question…… Has anyone heard from/contacted LawShrink?

By: cent

cent — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:59:39 +0000

As far as the child support and it being a motive for HaLeigh’s abduction, I personally find it difficult to believe that Crystal was seriously on her way to the hoosegow. I would think that, that clan knows charges of abduction is a bit more difficult to get out of than non payment of monies owed.

By: treece

treece — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:49:57 +0000

tobias, I couldn’t find the info on google but it was definitely $12K (remember the anonymous giver paying it off for her?) As I remember it Ron was not going after her it was the state. Evidently she was to pay it through the courts and had never once paid, not even when she was working. I can’t remember if the limit was the $$ amount she owed or that she had gone past the time limit of 3 years but one or the other caused a series of events to happen. Warning her to make arrangements with the court or they would proceed with prosecution. Crystal let that time elapse and she was scheduled to appear in court Feb 10th. The very next day after Haleigh came up missing. It didn’t matter that Ron didn’t have a problem with it. It also didn’t excuse her that she didn’t have income at the time. She had ignored all the things she should have done earlier to work it out with the state and keep them informed.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:51:04 +0000

Treece, I keep hearing differing amounts on the child support. Once I heard 4,000 then I hear 12,000. Is there writen proof of the exact amount she owed? And I believe if she could prove that she had no income for those years how could she pay? Ron didnt seem to have a problem with it. jmo

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:33:41 +0000

Not sure if anyone else had heard about T.Holmseth’s new article. I found the you tube link of T.H.’s conversation with Major Gary Bowling very informative. I believe T.H. was asking about the faked search and secondary crime scene. T.H. was questioning LE’s apparent lack of interest. It was very revealing when the Major said that everything LE does is very calculated. The Major then added that he viewed someone who would do that as someone who had an agenda.

I personally do not care who it was that caused Haleigh Cummings to disappear. I am just another concerned citizen who wants this little girl and all missing Children found. My heart also goes out to the family members who are suffering the loss of their Child.
I believe that LE will solve this case. I 100% trust their judgement. Unlike us nobodies who are looking at this from afar, those folks are there doing their jobs and they know a lot more about this case than we do.
God speed to them all.

Sincerely.

By: treece

treece — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:43:31 +0000

Tobias, I think many of the things you call inconsistencies aren’t and much of this is just your speculations. But one thing that is just incorrect is your last statement. It was too late for Crystal to “have got that changed real easy”. Crystal’s time of dealing with that or getting things changed was already passed. The fact is she let all that time lapse and made no attempt to take care of it and it had gone past any grace time and all limits the court allows. There was not an easy fix and she was close to going to jail on this one. I think it was for 3 years that she had ignored paying her child support and ignoring all the warnings and inquiries from the courts. She was behind $12K and had made no attempt to try to work it out.

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:31:27 +0000

Also the draining of the pond was mighty expensive to do on a hunch. This may prove out to be from some evidence they have that we dont know about. LE still claims it was unrelated but that they were still looking as a procaution. Maybe they had evidence that some one in this group was at or near this pond on that night. Remember they have all the cell phone pings and we do not. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:23:11 +0000

Most of the parental abducions are because the parent that lost custody has either abuse of the child or some other reason for losing custody. Crystal had nothing keeping her from having custody except she had no means of support or health insurance. Haleigh was going to need insurance and money because of her health problems. Also if there were hard feelings between Ron and Crystal, Ron could have denied visitation until Crystal paid her child support. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:12:45 +0000

I dont believe the Sheffields hiding her out theories. That would have been very hard to do without alot of people involved and why wouldnt they take Jr.? They would have to get the door open, then find where Haliegh was sleeping, all without waking anyone. Then leave and have someone hide her for 10 months?
Why? Crystal nor any of them can ever go see her, they will be watched forever. Thats just too long to be hiding a child in my opinion.
I dont believe they were really that keen on even getting custody of her from Ron in the first place. All she would have to do is get a job and be drug free, then try for custody again. I believe the arrangement was fine with Crystal except for the child support and she could have got that changed real easy.jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:00:29 +0000

They know that she did not act alone and they dont have enough for a conviction. thats just my opinion. Sorry but I think she is up to her eye balls in this. I also believe the Cummings feel this way too thats why the Divorce and why she isnt living with one of them and showing up at the vigil. LE wants the conviction to stick. jmo

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:55:47 +0000

inconsistancies that we know of:
1.wakes up to pee, wakes up for a drink, and wakes up because the light from the kitchen is glaring in on her.
2.What Haliegh was watching on the TV.
3.Where Haliegh was sleeping.
4.What Haliegh wore to bed.
5.Doing laundry with no soap?
6.Door open when it closes by itself to a fraction of an inch. She says it wide open.
7.Doesnt call 911 until Ron arrives.
8. Also states that Jr. rolled over top of her at one point. If you are that sound asleep like she claims you would not remember that.

By: treece

treece — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:50:55 +0000

Tobias, I respect your opinion. My thinking is LE has put so much pressure and attention on Misty as a distraction because they have nothing else to offer. However, if they really had any evidence against her they would surely have acted up on it months ago. But I could be totally wrong. JMO, too. Have a good day. Treece

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:45:15 +0000

I find her waking up at the best possible time not a coincedence, I dont believe any of her story. It is truthful up until grandma Sykes leaves, then it is all inconsistant with what she told LE the first time. There were only two people with opportunity to unlock the back door after Ron left for work,Tommy or Misty.
You can bet LE has at least some evidence on Misty to put this much pressure on her and they do say she is the key in all of this.jmo

By: treece

treece — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:21:31 +0000

Tobias, do you think there is any possibility that Misty doesn’t know anything, that she may have been used, that she could possibly be a victim to this crime, too??
Don’t you think if LE really thought she held the key to finding Haleigh that they would have found a reason to lock her up a long time ago??
Just food for thought. Hope you are having a good day. Treece

By: Tobias

Tobias — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:11:57 +0000

I was hoping for better news today. Guess PCSO still hasnt gotten off their collective a–es and arrested Misty. I am sure she cant stay out of trouble for too much longer. Please guys find out what happened to Haleigh and give her justice. This has dragged on for too long and it must be pure torture for those that love her. Mistys brother is rumored to have stolen a beer from the local Kangaroo and was being looked for by PCSO on the scanner reports from someone in Satsuma. This was on a forum out of Satsuma Florida, but who knows it could be bogus too. jmo

By: plzstfu

plzstfu — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:04:16 +0000

i have been a faithful reader of bnn on Haleigh since back in the spring. i have never posted my thoughts, theories or wishes on this case. i dont blog, i read and decipher facts from fiction (hard to do with this sad story). i still shake my head in disbelief at everything surrounding this case.

i just felt the need to thank all the bnn posters for your info, jan,simon and tj for keeping Haleigh’s name out there. without this site i feel there would be no information or updates.

for Haleigh’s family….if you read this…please know that there are people out here that have not forgotten and wish for resolution and peace for you.

merry christmas, happy holidays and best wishes to all.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:39:28 +0000

We are all accountable for our own actions.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again here,
We are all human beings trying to be spiritual but in reality we are all spiritual beings trying to be human.
We all make mistakes but the mistakes that we make belong only to us.

It is also a mistake to believe that our mistakes are between us and God only. As I stated in my earlier posts, what we do affects everyone around us. Good things we do are positive influences, negative things hurt everyone and that is neither fair, nor right nor just. Especially when Children are involved as they are the innocent ones in all of this.

O/T
I read in my local news yesterday about a case of an abused 5 year old little boy. The abuse was occurring 20 miles away from me and I sat there reading about what had been done to him and all I could do was cry. The Mother ignored what her gang member boyfriend had been doing to this little guy. He had beaten the boy as he would another gang member, he had raped him and starved him. LE had found him lying face down in a closet covered in bruises, starving and dehydrated. The abuse had been going on for a long period of time. I saw the pictures of the boyfriend and Mother in the article and I recalled seeing these people in a store just a few months ago. I live in a failry small area and the man is hard to miss. The boy was crying loudly and it didn’t make sense the way he was crying. He sounded like how a 2 year old would frantically cry and the boyfriend rushed passed everyone as though he were aggitated not only by the crying, but by anyone who was noticing it also.
I sensed that something was wrong but what if this Child were mentally challenged? What if the boy had stolen something and was crying because he had just been confronted about it? What if? What if I had called the store employees attention to the situation? Why didn’t the store employees notice it themselves? What could I have done better that might have helped this little boy sooner? What could anyone have done under the cirumstances?
Both the gang member boyfriend and the Mother have fled and LE is currently looking for them. May today be the day that they are found and brought to justice and may that little boy heal from any and all of the bad things that were done to him.

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:14:55 +0000

Well see ya later have a great Christmas Tuff.

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:12:57 +0000

Think about it he finally gets a really good job, better than most in the area. With this chance he can finally get somewhere. His only mistake was trusting Misty and getting involved with her. Everyone involved with her since this happened ends up in jail, she was bad news from the beginning. She saw Ron as a meal ticket out of her miserable life but she just messed up his life too. jmo

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:06:30 +0000

Tobias I agree with you. I believe that Ron loves his Children and I have never ever questioned that.
We are all human beings and not a one of us perfect. Bad things happen to good people and sometimes bad things happen to people who were trying to do even better.

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:03:03 +0000

I think Ron was on his way to becoming a decent hard working person when all this crap happened. I think he was finally getting his life in order. He just didnt have enough time to get his home life straight.imho

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:59:53 +0000

My last comment was about TC. (You type fast lol!)

About the bridge company, PDM right? I would assume that would be so but you know what they say about the word assume?
I’m not sure what to say about it.

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:59:46 +0000

Tommy, Life is like a box of chocolates lol

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:57:47 +0000

Good grief!

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:57:17 +0000

The bridge company he worked for is a huge national company, they would have plenty of money for the drug tests. You can google the company and see how large they are.

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:54:37 +0000

Just saw on Satsuma topix forum that Tommy stole a beer from the local Kangaroo and when PCSO went to get him they couldnt find him. hmm.Another arrest for Tommy maybe in the works, hope so. Guess Santa isnt going to bring beer for the Croslins this year, they must be on the naughty list lol.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:52:20 +0000

Tobias,

There are tests out there that are very sensitive like you say but they are very costly. Not all who do the drug testing proceedures are able to afford the higher level test kits. I just wanted to point that out. I’m not saying that those higher sensitivity tests weren’t being used because I simply do not know the answer on that.
With the economy the way that it is, it is also hard to say where budgeting shortcuts might be or are being applied.
It would ne good to know what type of test(s) were being used at that time though.

Good question.

I would also like to say Happy Holidays to everyone. May the new year bring peace and prosperity for all.

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:25:05 +0000

Well thats all for a while. Everyone have a Merry Christmas. All of my family are about to descend on me so I have to go, wished Ron was as lucky.

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:21:48 +0000

Oops I also forgot to mention that on the Good Morning show she says that Crystal has said that Haliegh and Crystal didnt have a good relationship. When did you ever hear Crystal say anything like that? That is a really big lie, Crystal always maintained that Haliegh and Junior had a good relationship with her.
I also dont see any animosity in Crystal when she says that the kids loved Misty, Crystal evidently did not feel threatened by Misty being with her kids. I think Misty felt threatened by Crystals involvement with her kids because Misty wanted all of them to herself. jmo

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:08:57 +0000

I was just going over the you tube video of misty stress test. Ron and Misty would definetly have known what she wore to school that day, they had to drive clear to the Grandmas to get the outfit she wore.And in one part Misty messes up and says Tommy was at the MH that night then covers up the slip.
I also believe that the Morning America show she did was to deflect interest away from her.
Remember Ron has decided to divorce her for some reason, Tommy has said she was not at the MH,she was involved in the road rage thing, and
Donna Brock was on a mission to get info. Her world and lies are falling apart so she places blame away from herself.jmo

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:01:33 +0000

The drug tests are very sensative now, the water cleansing no longer works because your urine comes out too diluted and they can tell.
My husband is a truck driver and his company drug tests yearly and on a random basis. That means he goes into work and they say hey lets go to the health works and get your random now.
There is no chance to clean up or anything.
They even warned them at a meeting and showed how the tests are pretty much unbeatable.
Most insurance companies want hair folicle tests for heavy equiptment operators because of the personal danger to other employees in the work area.Lawsuits from injured workers caused a lot to change in drug testing.imho

By: tobias

tobias — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:44:04 +0000

I think Ron alerted Misty because he knew she was going to find out and he didnt want her to think he had anything to with it, then she would stay in Satsuma till he could find out where his daughter is. Ron said he asked for the divorce but I wouldnt put money on it. Misty was getting bored just sitting around,remember she is a teenager and a partier. Ron was probably getting pretty boring to her ,always looking for his daughter and not paying attention to her. Also no money and living with his Grandma, she would be under scrutiny 24/7. jmo

By: looking for justice

looking for justice — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:55:45 +0000

I never thought TM was a liar. It was Teresa Neves I believe that sought out Mark Nejame and Tim Miller. Tim Miller did not seek out Ron and Misty. It was reported that TM did report to LE about Ron and the gun in the mouth and it was reported here at BNN that others had witnessed Ron stating he was going to kill Misty if she had anything to do with Haleighs disappearance. This was not his first time he had made these threats and LE was notified each time. TM also said there were other witnesses in the room that heard Ron tell the ratgate incident and lets not forget there was a witness that says she saw Rons truck and this is why he got Misty to lie for him.She said she waved as he passed by her as he was leaving. I wondered why TM made the statement about Haleigh being deceased. Perhaps he based it on the answer she gave on the LDT and voice analysis and lets not forget the fake rose Misty told them about, that LE did find as they were looking for a possible grave.Misty tells them she believes Haleigh is alive, but leads them to a fake rose in the woods. Tim Miller also stated he hopes he is wrong and so do I, but unfortunately it is a possibility. I know if it were me, I cannot speak for Ron, I would want anyone to get close to the one that last saw my child in hopes to find them. There is nothing I wouldn’t do or try. Ron and Misty were already practicly divorced when he notified her about Donna Brock.

By: treece

treece — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:15:38 +0000

Tuff Stuff, the reason I say TM “pretended” is because of the fact that he went public with what Ron supposedly did or said, months later. You can’t tell me it was to protect JR when it was not done immediately.
My argument with the LDT is not the normal weakness in the results. My point against TM is the way he had it given, badgering Misty, recording and airing the test. That was for TM’s attention. If it was ONLY to get info for Haleigh’s sake show LE not the world.
Hollysgmom, “Misty needed a friend” is someone who is hired to deceive, lie, and manipulate a friend?? If you are concerned about Misty not having a good relation with her mother is giving her a “FRAUD ONE” going to help her EVER trust anyone enough to talk???
Haleigh is MISSING, I doubt TN or GGMA gave a crap whether Misty has lessons in being a lady.
“Slid down hill after”, lied to, deceived and humiliated publicly…..yes, I think that would be good reason to flush that little “mother”, too. I don’t know what you mean by evil intent but lying, prying, manipulating, deceiving, and intentionally humiliating certainly doesn’t sound noble or honorable to me. Donations to TM Texas Equusearch are for SEARCH & RESCUE according to his web site. To me they are NOT for PI, LDT, deceitful games, manipulations, or undercover “mothers”.
Glad we can discuss our different views and opinions that is what keeps this blog interesting. All of us blabbing our 2 cents worth doesn’t change much but it keeps this case in our hearts and prayers. May God help someone find this little girl!! To Him she is not lost!! Merry Christmas Eve!!

By: Hollys Gmom

Hollys Gmom — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:39:04 +0000

A quote from Mother Teresa:
(This hung on the wall of the children’s home she ran in Calcutta)

People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered….Forgive them anyway

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives….Be kind anyway

If you are successful, you will win some unfaithfull friends and some genuine enemies…Succeed anyway

If you are honest and sincere people may decieve you….Be honest and sincere anyway

What you spend years creating, others can destroy overnight…..Create anyway

If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous…Be happy anyway

The good you do today, will often be forgotten…Do good anyway

Give the best you have and it will never be enough…Give your best anyway

In the final analysis, it is between you and God
It was never between you and them anyway.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!!

PS Sorry Pinkie/Humbled…did it not arrive? I’ll send again…sorry.

By: Hollys Gmom

Hollys Gmom — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:31:01 +0000

Hello’

IMO Donna Brock was hired/asked to get close to Misty for 2 reasons.
1)To find out what she could
2)To try to befriend/Mother Misty because TM felt that Misty did not have a good relationship with her own mother and needed a “friend”. We don’t know that TN or GGMA didn’t tell TM that Misty needed someone to teach her how to be a lady. (Maybe they felt they had tried and failed or M wouldn’t let them close enough.) Then after M was told that Donna was just trying to “fool” her, it all slid downhill. I’m not sure that evil intent was in play where Donna is concerned.

I agree with Tuff Stuff about LDT.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:59:26 +0000

Treece,
How do we know that Tim Miller “pretended” to be Ron’s friend? How do we know that he was not being sincere with Ron?
We have not been given the entire scoop as to why ground searches were called off but I am certain that there is more reason for that than what any of us are aware of yet.

The use of LDT’s are controversial and that is not a new argument. The argument has been around for a long period of time. It is a known fact that guilty people in the past have managed to pass them only to then be found guilty later.
That controversial argument is far from new and that fact in itself leads me to believe that it is highly possible that Misty was being forced to take the tests just as we were told. GGMa Sykes apparently made threats that Misty take those tests or else.
What did any of them have to lose?
“If” Misty failed them then no harm no foul, they would just pull out the controversy card if and when that happened, which it did.
It would still look good on Misty if she took the tests no matter pass or fail and easy peasy if she fails then just open the door to argument on the tests ability to provide accurate results.

If Misty were being truthful then why did she have to be threatened by anyone to take these tests, let alone, by none other than GGma Sykes of all people?
And wasn’t it T.Neves, Ron Cummings Mother who is also a trained dispatcher for LE in another area who called all of this into play?
As I said, no harm, no foul.

By: treece

treece — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:28:55 +0000

Hi cent, glad you mentioned him saying Haleigh was dead that was one I forgot. He did that, told the gun story, quoted Ron on the rat deal, and hired the “mother” all after he got mad at them over the LDT. To me he got mad and had a tantrum. It became about his anger and his ego not Haleigh. But I do agree in the past he has helped many families. But I respect your opinion, too.
Hope you have a great Christmas!!!!

By: treece

treece — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:21:21 +0000

Tuff Stuff, 1st let me say I am married to a Texan, have lived there more years than any where else and have previously supported TM.
However, his behavior with Haleigh’s case has caused me to longer respect him. I question why he left so quickly when he came to search for her. He pretended to be Ron’s friend and MONTHS later, after he is mad at them, tells that gun story. If it had happened and JR was in danger WHY did TM not tell it immediately, why wait until months later? That LDT was a joke, google LDT info. No one interrogates like that during a test. It could cause any of us to fail. Telling the client you are lying, 90% deception etc during the test is totally unprofessional and makes that test even more unreliable. Taping the LDT and releasing it to the media is unprofessional. NONE of that bs did anything to help find Haleigh but created it’s own side show. But hiring a nut to pretend to love Misty and “mother” her was CRUEL, in my opinion. I don’t know if Misty is innocent or guilty. But let’s just consider that MAYBE she is telling the truth. She would naturally feel terrible guilty just because she was the one in charge. She has had a horrible childhood herself, and doesn’t even comprehend having a nurturing mother. Then some grown adult pretends to love and nurture her like a “mother”. That is abuse to me. I would be fighting mad if someone did that to my child when they were hurt and vulnerable. I said all this to explain my feeling of TM and I respect your right to disagree. Thanks, Treece

By: cent

cent — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:05:46 +0000

Tuff,

You have a very valid argument in your hands. I personally never considered TM a liar, just questioned some of his claims and the timing. I didn’t care for the Mommy Donna escapade, nor did I appreciate the statement he made regarding HaLeigh being dead. Those are the only issues that I can think of, regarding his character/integrity. I can not come up with an reasonable thought as to what his motive would be for lying on Ron.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:52:28 +0000

treece,
I am not willing to say that Tim Miller is a liar in this situation based on one very significant fact that is impossible to over look.
*Tim Miller has no dog in this fight “except” to find Haleigh Cummings.*
Things we have learned:
Tim Miller arrived with TES to aid in the search for Haleigh Cummings.
Ground searches were scaled back.
Tim Miller met with Ron Cummings and was on friendly terms with Ron.
Tim Miller’s purpose of doing the testing on Misty was an obvious effort to try to get to the truth.
So here we have a man, Tim Miller, who has dedicated his life’s work to try to help families find their missing loved ones by any means necessary, (after all that is what any parent family member or friend who were missing a Child should hope would be done) and now we have this statement from Mr. Miller, regarding what he himself had seen as an eye witness, yet because ??? we are all to assume him as a liar?
Let’s walk through all of the reasons folks may have as to why we should all consider and question Mr. Millers integrity in all of this shall we?
Let’s start first by defining a possible motive as to why Mr. Miller would lie about what he said he saw Ron doing?

By: treece

treece — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:32:39 +0000

stormgardner, I totally agree.
cent, you are right that black cloud is sad.
Hope you all have a good evening. Treece

By: cent

cent — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:30:51 +0000

Hi Storm,

Casey, well… yuk,yuk!!! All I can manage on that one.

By: stormgardner

stormgardner — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:13:20 +0000

I know there are many opinions of Ron. I can only speak for myself and what I believe since I don’t know Ron. I believe he loves Haleigh with all his heart, she’s Daddy’s little girl. I believe he did the best he could. That’s all any of us can do. You can see in the pictures that Ron & Haleigh are both happy. You can see the twinkle in their eyes. I think Haleigh looks a lot like Ron. You can tell he was hands on, he played with her. It’s obvious to anyone that takes the time to look.
A little off topic, but if you look at pictures of Casey & Caylee Anthony, there is no comparison. Casey is just posing for the camera. She can’t be bothered rolling around in the floor playing with Caylee, it might mess up her hair or nails. Yes, I saw the video of Casey playing with Caylee, but did you see the distance she was holding Caylee at?

By: cent

cent — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:56:05 +0000

Ohh yeah… I have never had to take a drug test.. I just know people.

By: cent

cent — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:53:48 +0000

Treece,

There are a number of products out there to clean up ones urine for drug testing… a lot of companies don’t do hair testing because of the cost, but there are ways to get around that testing too. I don’t know what was done in Ron’s case. I believe that he was involved in the drug scene, but, never the less… I believe he DID/DOES love his children, which you can do… even if you live your life in a way that is not so universally/socially accepted.

To be honest I think that no matter what is done good/bad, by/to either parent/family… they will forever live with a black cloud of suspicion. It is sad… but, real.

By: treece

treece — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:15:40 +0000

I do not believe Ron ever told Tim Miller that he put the rat in the mail box. I do not believe that he put a gun to his mouth in front of Tim Miller. Regardless, what you think of Ron for him to have raised his babies through bottles and diapers he LOVED them. I do not think he is going to give TM that kind of ammo to use against him as a dad. I think Ron had been telling Misty not to trust TM or anyone associated with him. When Ron found out Donna was a Tim Miller fraud I think he either called to warn her because he cares or to say I told you so. Everyone keeps saying Ron was a druggy and he may have been but if so how did he pass the drug test at his job?? JMO and food for thought. Treece

By: stormgardner

stormgardner — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:59:14 +0000

I won’t claim to know anything about Shamanism. I think everyone has their own ideas. I admit I used to think it was just witchcraft. I’m not sure what I believe anymore.
However, I do believe there are those that have a gift. Unfortunately as Pagan72 said, you have to have probable cause. There is no way LE is even going to touch a tip like that.
Pagan72, if you really know this information to be true, I hope that somehow this can be investigated. I wouldn’t even know where to begin on that. The only thing I could possibly think of is having a private investigator check into this guy. I’m just not sure anyone would be willing to do it under the circumstances.

By: cent

cent — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:48:48 +0000

Hello Tuff,

I think the fight prior was the deciding factor that Ron and Misty should/would be questioned regarding the execution of Rat Gate. Usually that is one of the investigating tactics LE generally will use… prior discord between the parties. That is the only guarantee I see that is/was set into place for a tip off to LE.

My thoughts are that Rat-Gate happened, the reason was because of the fight prior. And it was a sign for Tommy to shut his mouth. As far as TM claims… testing Misty’s skills of deceiving… Ron could have said that to him, to prove that he was not so Pu**y whipped, as everyone has claimed.

All is far fetched… I KNOW… Yet, it is still a possibility.

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:24:12 +0000

The rat gate was very over the top no matter how you look at it.

Why would Ron Cummings want Misty to go along with planting a rat in a mailbox knowing that it would be tied to him also if they were eventually found out?
Also, with Ron’s explanation and reasoning he apparently stated that he was testing Misty to see what she would say to LE. How far would she go?
Question:
How did Ron know that LE would even be able to tie it back to either one of them in order to question Misty to begin with? What guarantee was set in place by Ron that would tip LE off that it was indeed him and Misty who had done such a horrible thing in order for him to acheive his original intent of finding out what it was that Misty was going to say to LE?

IIRC the initial story was that it could not have been either one of them as they were allegedly not in the area at the time.

By: Pagan72

Pagan72 — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:50:31 +0000

I disagree with the name being symbolic–I think I gave the real name and area.. what I also get is that the situation is inciteful if too much if given out. I also understand that law enforcement cannot search someone’s home without probable cause. In that respect, I may as WELL have made this up. When I center on a situation, I usually get a proper name and not “she’s by a lake” sort of descriptions.

In all, I believe in what I’ve given–I also don’t feel that these people stealing toddlers are really intelligent. My big concern was that David Knox would be checking up on this situation on the internet and move somewhere else. Apparently he’s not a bright guy. I still get that area and that name.

I myself think the information is true and correct. Hard part is how to interview every David Knox without an inevitable lawsuit against the city or state for something or another.

There has to be a way somehow.

By: oceanviewnan

oceanviewnan — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:36:30 +0000

Merry Christmas, everyone, have a happy and safe holiday!

By: cent

cent — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:17:46 +0000

Ron may have alerted Misty to the Mommy Gate, because he wanted Misty to be ever more depended on him as far as her “safety”… You know like he is still looking out for her. In Misty eyes, him calling her could be a sure sign that no matter what went/goes down between him and his wife, he still loves and honor her. Just a psychological thought..

By: Pinkey32/HUMBLED

Pinkey32/HUMBLED — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:14:01 +0000

hey Gmom

what happend to the email?I was so hoping Haleigh would be found 4 christmas.

By: stormgardner

stormgardner — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:10:37 +0000

Tuff Stuf: Ive wondered the same thing about why Ron would call and alert Misty about Donna Brock.
Just a thought, but maybe he was protecting her in his own way. If he truly didn’t believe Misty had anything to do with Haleigh’s abduction, he may have thought Donna had more sinister motives for trying to befriend her. Of course you & would be in an “anything goes” frame of mind to find our child, but as we’ve all seen. They don’t seem to think on the same lines that we do.
I’m not totally convinced that Ron & Misty’s relationship is over. Part of me believes that it is just for publicity. I think it’s possible that they are still seeing each other. It was sure a fast divorce. I’ve never seen a divorce move along that fast. Of course there were no children or assets involved so it was pretty cut and dry, but still, they normally have what they call a “cooling off” period to make sure it’s something the couple truly wants. They normally make you wait for a period of time before you can even begin to file.
Any thoughts on that?
Time for me to get busy again. Stayed up until 5:00 this morning cleaning and baking. Still not done. Christmas has slipped up on me this year and I’m so not ready. I am excited for the kids to get here though. That’s what it’s all about. Thank goodness. I think funds are short for most everyone this year. I just want to visit with family, eat and just enjoy each others company. The grandchildren make life worth living.
If I’m unable to check back in again, everyone have a very Merry Christmas.

By: looking for justice

looking for justice — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:56:56 +0000

Tuff stuff, I agree and I still question that. He had everything to gain.

By: looking for justice

looking for justice — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:55:04 +0000

That is a good theory Tobias. I think LE knows if Haleigh is alive or dead. I think they would of gotten this answer from the LDTs. I am not ready to give up hope that Haleigh is still alive and ready to be found so she can come home. I wish LE would give us a little more info to go on. I believe all the Croslins are shameful people. They are thieving,lying drug addicts. Ron has also lived a shady life as well and the enviroment the children lived in was terrible. This is why I believe it was G Sykes and Teresa Neves that took care of these children primarily. I know Ron is hurting and I do feel compassion for him. I just hope he turns his life around and puts Jr. in a stable and drug free enviroment so that when Haleigh does come home it will be a safer place for them to be in. I hope he finds a decent woman his own age as well.JMO

By: Tuff Stuff

Tuff Stuff — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:13:24 +0000

What would be the reason for Ron calling and alerting Misty about Donna Brock? If it were true that Ron was keeping Misty close in an effort to maybe find out what she knows etc… then, no matter, why would he do anything that would knowingly compromise anyone else from doing the same thing when the end result could very possibly lead to finding his Daughter?

By: tobias

tobias — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:55:50 +0000

Like Misty says about her family lying to get out of trouble, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. She is lying to save herself and Tommy. In her mind Haliegh is already gone and she cant change that, but she is not going to go to jail. In the beginning I think she feared Ron would kill them all for what happened and the cover up began. She is a very good liar, she has had alot of practice in this family. I also think LE knew that shirt was there and waited to see if she would hide it. jmo

By: tobias

tobias — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:45:47 +0000

My understanding is that Ron asked if Misty was there at Tommys, they argued earlier about her going there to babysit. Tommy was at the MH to help with the AC guy and then left.
But that leaves him with opportunity to unlock the back door. Also by Ron calling looking for Misty it gives him opportunity to go to the MH and enter the already unlocked back door.
I believe Tommy and possibly Joe went to rob the MH. Tommy also has a 45 minute gap from the call to when he states he was at the MH, possibly waiting for Joe to arrive before going there? I dont believe Haliegh was taken for abuse,I think she saw the light come on and thought it was her dad and surprised Tommy and Joe , they put a hand over her mouth to quiet her and with fear and asthma she suffocated. That would leave little to no evidence of foul play. Misty wakes up after the faact and covers for them. This is just a theory but there are alot of facts to back it up. jmo

By: looking for justice

looking for justice — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:01:27 +0000

Michelle, I agree with you on LE getting something in stone. The thing about Tommys finger prints. Misty had already let LE know that Tommy and his children were over earlier that day between 5&6 pm. That would not be the reason Tommy came out 8 months later and told LE he was at the mh. Ron never told LE about the disagreement He and Misty had that night and that he called the Croslins to see if she were there. According to Ron he did not ask him to go over to the mh. We never heard if Tommy called Ron back, but I am sure LE would know this by their phone records.

By: Michelle

Michelle — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:25:43 +0000

I am wondering if they definitley ruled out a stranger abduction or if this is still a possibility. I thought I read somewhere that it is not considered a stranger abduction. I would think that there are fingerprints like crazy around there, so something would show up if so. Did Misty’s brother fess up and admit to being there so many months later for that reason, to explain why his prints would be there. I don’t know how that process works, but I wonder if finger prints that are more recent show up better than old ones. My guess is yes. Why did Tommy wait so long to tell them he went to the house. You know he didn’t just forget that. I have one idea that he and Joe and possibly Greg got rid of Haleigh somehow after Misty was negligent at that party or where ever she was. What if she left them alone at either in the MH or the car while she ran inside of someone’s place for something, that would give someone a opportunity to have taken Haleigh. I would think Junior would be able to say, yes we were at home, or no we were in a car, at a party, or wherever. Has he clearly said he was at home all night? The possibilities are endless with little facts about that night. Could Misty be covering up for an accident that happened at home with Ronald or herself, I have no clue, at this point, I have looked at all the options and they all seem possible. I don’t like to point a finger at someone that is innocent like possibly Ronald, Misty ect., but I just wish they could get something set in stone about that night.

By: stormgardner

stormgardner — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:18:14 +0000

I may be a little late getting in on this conversation, but I thought LE stated the next day that Misty found the pink shirt in the laundry pile and called their attention to it. Not 100 percent sure, but I believe that’s the way it went. I took it as the shirt was lying in the pile, so it wouldn’t have been washed yet. Bottom line is, Misty had no idea what Haleigh was wearing if she didn’t have the pink shirt on.
Some were of the opinion that it was possible that whoever took Haleigh changed her shirt. Not sure what the reason would be. Could be several reasons. If she had in fact wet the bed, it may be that the shirt had urine on it as well. Some were of the opinion that whoever took her changed her shirt to throw off LE, giving the reason for the light being on. Who knows, as many stories that have been told, you don’t know what to believe.
It may be nothing, but then again it might be extremely helpful to have more information about the shirt. I sure hope LE knows more than what they are saying.
Well, it’s getting late, but I had to check and see if there were any new developments. You seem to find out more here than on the news stations.
Have a great evening all. Time to throw some banana nut bread in the oven.

By: cent

cent — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:13:38 +0000

Was it in the dyer… or just on the floor with some of the other clothes… I know it was reported some in dyer/washer. I didn’t read through it all, but I will later.

By: cent

cent — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:10:51 +0000

As far as time frame of allowing them back in “crime scene”. Yes, there is a procedure/time.. Regarding the finding of the shirt… I haven’t had a chance to look and see when it was actually found.. meaning from the time HaLeigh was reported missing to “US” finding out about her not having shirt on.

By: tobias

tobias — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:05:03 +0000

Another thing entered my little thought process. If the shirt was in the drier was it washed to get rid of evidence? Guess thats something we are not privy too.jmo

By: cent

cent — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:02:52 +0000

Tobias,

Yes I find it a little crazy/troubling that LE NEVER confirmed/acknowledge Misty finding it. It sort gives someone the go ahead and say/think that LE could/maybe setting Misty up. I can’t see the value of them holding on to that piece of info… Let’s be real about it… People who were possibly keeping an eye out for HaLeigh, searching for her, I am sure where also thinking pink shirt… pink shirt. That is what we the “public” were focused on, as far as description of clothing goes!!!

I STILL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF HER SHOES WERE MISSING!!!!!

By: tobias

tobias — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:56:40 +0000

I was under the impression that no one enters a possible crime scene until they are through with the search for items of interest and I am sure they went through everything in the MH before they let anyone enter . TN stated on nancy grace that no one was allowed to enter until she did the interview showing the MH and the back door. Is Misty lying? guess LE would know.jmo

By: tobias

tobias — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:49:16 +0000

Cent, That is very interesting that LE would keep a secret out of the shirt if Misty found it in the laundry. Either she is lying about finding it or LE is not saying she found it.
I wouldnt know why she would be allowed back into a taped off crime scene unless they already knew the shirt was there.This baffles me. jmo

By: cent

cent — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:32:41 +0000

*******PINK SHIRT*******

Tobias,

See my 1:51 and 1:55 post!!!

By: tobias

tobias — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:53:26 +0000

I just watched the walk through of the mobile home. I f the light was on she couldnt see it till she left the bed room go watch the video on you tube jmo